1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,040 It's another dark and rainy evening in Northern California. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,370 It's time once again, for the show that has no jingles. no 3 00:00:08,370 --> 00:00:13,320 music, no commercials, no talent and no agenda. Coming to you 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,330 from the curry condo. I'm Adam curry. 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,200 I'm John C. Dvorak in the fabulous 6 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:21,870 divorce mansion in the mansion. 7 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:24,300 Yeah, the Ford mansion needs paint job. 8 00:00:25,530 --> 00:00:30,600 Hey, JC, how you doing? Okay. I just got back from a president 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,690 and CEO dinner at Sequoia Capital. 10 00:00:34,170 --> 00:00:34,950 How was that? 11 00:00:35,069 --> 00:00:38,309 It? You know, I gotta tell you. It was really nice. It was at 12 00:00:38,309 --> 00:00:45,089 this place called Nola in Palo Alto. It's like a as in no lies 13 00:00:45,089 --> 00:00:47,669 in northern Louisiana. So it's kind of Cajun and 14 00:00:47,670 --> 00:00:50,610 actually know that they actually what it really means is New 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,050 Orleans, Louisiana. 16 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:53,190 What did I say? 17 00:00:53,670 --> 00:00:54,540 He said Northern. 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,100 Oh no, I'm confused. I meant exactly. New Orleans, Louisiana. 19 00:00:59,220 --> 00:01:04,470 There's actually a restaurant in New Orleans. New Orleans, called 20 00:01:04,470 --> 00:01:09,810 Nola. That's one of what's his name that the bank chef that guy 21 00:01:09,810 --> 00:01:15,840 who Emeril Emeril is one of emeralds restaurants. And it's 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,530 really I've eaten there and it's outstanding. But what's really 23 00:01:19,530 --> 00:01:24,660 impressive to me when you go to that place, is that they have a 24 00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:29,460 wine list that has every price you can imagine for any kind of 25 00:01:29,460 --> 00:01:32,580 wine, and you could throw a dart at that list and everything's 26 00:01:33,030 --> 00:01:34,230 incredible winner is 27 00:01:34,230 --> 00:01:42,480 good. So about 2020 Guys I think the noteworthy well the guys you 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:49,140 would know of course would be Mark Kwame, Mike Moritz and God 29 00:01:49,170 --> 00:01:56,520 was the guy from South Africa the know from okay, that guy was 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,490 gonna hate me now. He only gave us he only gave us $5 million 31 00:02:03,750 --> 00:02:08,220 rule off. So be cut out. But if you look around the room and you 32 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:11,400 look at these companies, they're pretty well invested in in media 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,400 companies. I think that if we if we pulled all of our resource 34 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:19,320 resources together for towards advertisers, which of course we 35 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,160 actually discussed, we could be a pretty pretty big force. You 36 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,500 know, this very interesting companies. What I found the most 37 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:30,090 interesting two companies actually. One is eHarmony. The 38 00:02:30,090 --> 00:02:31,140 CEO was there. 39 00:02:31,650 --> 00:02:35,370 That guy? Yeah, Harmony guy, the white haired guy who's the who's 40 00:02:35,370 --> 00:02:37,320 on the commercial? It's his creed. 41 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,140 Believe it or not, that's not this. That's not the CEO. 42 00:02:40,799 --> 00:02:43,259 Oh, okay, so that's just some phoney guy. Yeah, 43 00:02:43,259 --> 00:02:44,579 that is definitely not him. 44 00:02:45,810 --> 00:02:47,550 I mean, that guy's creepy. 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,540 No, no, no, this is very nice guy. Yeah. Also, there was the 46 00:02:51,570 --> 00:02:55,800 CEO of jaja. You familiar with jaja? Never heard of it. It's j 47 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:01,050 aj h.com. And it's not surprised. Well, you know, 48 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:04,260 they're doing amazing business. I've actually been a client. 49 00:03:04,260 --> 00:03:06,900 That's why it was was interesting to me. And I've been 50 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:11,640 a client of the company for over two years. It's it's a cheap 51 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,110 phone service. Basically. 52 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,690 All Yeah, no, I've heard of him. Right. 53 00:03:16,650 --> 00:03:20,400 Now he's, he's saving me like 400 pounds a month just between 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,950 my wife calling her sister so I mean, he's got a pretty good 55 00:03:22,950 --> 00:03:27,390 service there, I'd say. And otherwise, it was alright. You 56 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:27,690 know, 57 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,200 there's a have any, any media people there at all? 58 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:33,660 From media companies? 59 00:03:33,839 --> 00:03:37,049 You know, I mean, like, you know, journalists that Oh, no, 60 00:03:37,049 --> 00:03:37,739 no, no, no, 61 00:03:37,740 --> 00:03:42,180 no, this is calling silence. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, the 62 00:03:42,210 --> 00:03:46,710 cone of silence. Non Disclosure. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm 63 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:49,590 sure there's all kinds of so I'll tell you all about it 64 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:52,530 tomorrow, back and forth by competitive companies. Oh, you 65 00:03:52,530 --> 00:03:53,160 don't want to have any 66 00:03:53,340 --> 00:04:00,780 keiretsu it's the cartel. Sounds boring. No, it wasn't boring. 67 00:04:00,810 --> 00:04:03,600 What was good about it? It was short. So that didn't there was 68 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,120 no way it could be boring. Yes. It could have been boring. It 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,040 could have been one of those really long drawn out things 70 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,560 now. It's like going on the table. Hey, how you doing what's 71 00:04:10,890 --> 00:04:14,190 just reintroduction or new people who you know, one guy 72 00:04:14,190 --> 00:04:19,050 there, PUD. Philip from adBrite. He used to work for Ron and 73 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:23,820 Isaiah. You know, it's pretty familiar room. And, you know, we 74 00:04:23,820 --> 00:04:25,860 just give an update and we see if there's anything we can do 75 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:28,650 together and then we have a drink have some food and then we 76 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:32,820 all fuck off. It's pretty good. Was the food any good? Yes. Food 77 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:38,430 was excellent. I had the they had a strip steak, which they 78 00:04:38,430 --> 00:04:44,460 served around mashed potatoes with fried onion. Onion strips 79 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:48,360 on top. Yeah, it was an a garnish around the side. I'm 80 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,940 trying to explain it to you as best as possible because I know 81 00:04:50,940 --> 00:04:54,720 you care. But it was yeah, it was it was quite nice, actually. 82 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:57,840 Hey, so there's a restaurant opening up down this you know 83 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:02,310 from the Pato headquarters. If You go down. Was it Bryant? No, 84 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:05,700 Brandon got on Brandon. To fourth, I guess, just a little 85 00:05:05,700 --> 00:05:09,300 bit beyond that. So I was what you were doing this I was 86 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:13,320 spending the day down in Half Moon Bay at the Ritz Carlton at 87 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,290 the Always On conference with a bunch of venture capital guys. 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,070 Right. And, you know, I didn't get that much out of I did see a 89 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:23,760 bunch of people I needed to see. And you know, schmoozed and the 90 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,770 PR woman that runs the Ritz Carlton, there used to be my 91 00:05:28,770 --> 00:05:36,330 Booker at Tech TV. The Booker Booker. Yeah. And she used to 92 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:38,520 and so I have no organs and you know, she has been fine. You can 93 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,830 spend the night you know, you have for you know, whatever I 94 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:44,550 can ever go down. Oh, cool. It's just me. But you know, she's, 95 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:50,280 she's, she's a nice woman. Okay. All right. Well, you sound like 96 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,290 one of these guys is on the forum here. You know, she's, 97 00:05:52,410 --> 00:05:52,770 she's, 98 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:56,760 I mean it I John, I say I say this to the office about women. 99 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,380 I don't why should I be any different on this 100 00:05:58,380 --> 00:06:02,280 show? Yeah, there's the evidence against you. Anyway, so through, 101 00:06:02,490 --> 00:06:05,010 she's a good looking woman. I've always liked her. She's very 102 00:06:05,010 --> 00:06:08,520 pleasant. And a great PR person. She's really smart. But I didn't 103 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,110 know she was a mega foodie. Oh, wow. And so she's starting her 104 00:06:13,110 --> 00:06:18,420 own agency, and she's going to do wine and food, PR. Well, 105 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,850 excellent. Excellent. Cuz we have it anyway. So I've had the 106 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:23,250 tour, I get to meet the chef and I got the tour of the place. I 107 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:25,230 did all this stuff, the you know, what would that was going 108 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:29,820 on and had a bunch of, you know, free food down there. I don't 109 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:32,070 know where that story was going. I had a point to make before you 110 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:33,210 brought up that. I'm 111 00:06:33,209 --> 00:06:40,259 sorry. I'm sorry. So I you know, I'm always scanning across all 112 00:06:40,259 --> 00:06:44,009 of the news shows. And I heard one thing very consistent this 113 00:06:44,009 --> 00:06:47,909 morning. As I also was the first opportunity I had to listen to 114 00:06:47,939 --> 00:06:53,009 twit 124 and buzz out loud and no one has any news in the 115 00:06:53,009 --> 00:06:57,209 technology world. Everyone's full of crap. 116 00:06:57,569 --> 00:07:00,179 That's where we'll take over on this show because we've got 117 00:07:00,179 --> 00:07:03,419 absolutely nothing Okay back to my story. So anyway, so I'm 118 00:07:03,419 --> 00:07:05,879 talking to her and she knows all the gossip about what's going on 119 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,519 with the restaurant scene around here and she's really got great 120 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,339 information but apparently is his new spot she believes gonna 121 00:07:11,339 --> 00:07:14,339 be the next hot spot taking over for genuine from San Francisco 122 00:07:14,339 --> 00:07:17,339 knows these places myth has been sold to somebody else and the 123 00:07:17,339 --> 00:07:20,729 hot spot right now is spruce and but there's a new one she 124 00:07:20,729 --> 00:07:24,569 believes is going to be the next big thing and I she I had this 125 00:07:24,569 --> 00:07:27,209 conversation was very in depth on this instance I've now 126 00:07:27,209 --> 00:07:31,109 realised that she's stunning when it comes to being you know 127 00:07:31,109 --> 00:07:34,619 this at this level of foodie. Orson is the name of the place 128 00:07:34,619 --> 00:07:40,049 it's gonna be down there around fourth and excellent brand and 129 00:07:40,049 --> 00:07:41,909 so we can walk through and finally have a place for them to 130 00:07:41,909 --> 00:07:43,709 have something cool. They probably will course won't be 131 00:07:43,709 --> 00:07:45,419 able to for lunch. So with the resume Well, I 132 00:07:45,420 --> 00:07:48,570 had, I had dinner just to wrap up the food part of the show. I 133 00:07:48,570 --> 00:07:53,100 had dinner at spruce and I gotta say I was well impressed. How'd 134 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:53,190 you 135 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:54,120 get into spruce? 136 00:07:54,180 --> 00:07:56,370 I just called them up and said, Don't you know who I am? 137 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,610 As you get into spruce, I obviously I'm not buying that 138 00:08:02,610 --> 00:08:03,570 argument. I don't 139 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:08,070 know Rosie made the reservation for me. Rosie Rosie's got to 140 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:10,800 pull in this town Man. Be on the lookout for Rosa. Yeah, I have 141 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,440 to talk to her about the portions were really really 142 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,290 small. Which which I don't like 143 00:08:16,709 --> 00:08:21,059 yeah, you're like a throwback. Well, those people Yeah, a 144 00:08:21,059 --> 00:08:21,299 little 145 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:26,190 bit. So that was but the service was really the presentation was 146 00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:29,220 great. Taste was great. Quality was great. The service was 147 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:33,120 really knowledgeable and and yeah, it was good. It was all 148 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,460 around great experience if you sit in the back room, by the 149 00:08:35,460 --> 00:08:36,780 way, because that's where you can actually have a 150 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:40,560 conversation. You can't really talk in that in that front. Oh, 151 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:42,600 the mess hall of front is very noisy. 152 00:08:42,690 --> 00:08:45,180 Oh, that's not good. Yeah, well, you know, because place is owned 153 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:48,090 by the guy who did the Woodside or not that would say but the 154 00:08:48,090 --> 00:08:50,580 village pub or the village tavern or whatever the hell it 155 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:53,760 gets called isn't Woodside which is a great restaurant that's 156 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,730 kind of underrated. And so they open this place up in San 157 00:08:56,730 --> 00:08:58,860 Francisco I guess it gets a reputation but if you know you 158 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:02,790 probably get the same food at the village pub or the village 159 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:07,470 tavern whatever it's called. in Woodside so without having to 160 00:09:07,470 --> 00:09:11,100 deal with long wait so anyway before we finish the food 161 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:12,360 section of this show, 162 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:13,560 no not more. 163 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,840 Yes, you're getting free tea. Oh yes. We did a very short piece a 164 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,430 few weeks ago about PG Tips and whatever else apparently you 165 00:09:23,430 --> 00:09:25,440 ended up good I got nothing by the way. 166 00:09:25,470 --> 00:09:29,340 I haven't received it arrived at the at the UK office and Carrie 167 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:30,570 sent me an email. 168 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:32,850 Tell us who sent to me and why. 169 00:09:33,690 --> 00:09:36,240 So let's see if I can find the actual email somewhere in here. 170 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:39,000 The York's the Yorkshire Tea Company themselves sent it over 171 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,240 and they said they had heard the show and could not resist trying 172 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,230 to bring me up to the real gold standard of Yorkshire instead of 173 00:09:46,230 --> 00:09:49,440 PG Tips. I was tickled. And there's a whole box apparently 174 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,580 so I can't wait to to get to the office which, by the way, 175 00:09:53,850 --> 00:09:57,300 Monday, so I'm flying back tomorrow afternoon Monday 176 00:09:57,330 --> 00:10:02,160 evening. We have our PI and show UK Christmas dinner we're not 177 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,160 doing a huge party but it's in you know when you put a staff 178 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,000 together with spouses and you know some of our our talent who 179 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,040 who work full time for for productions we're doing now 180 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,390 you're talking 2530 people. So, of course Patricia and I were 181 00:10:18,390 --> 00:10:21,360 going to go to the party. What do you think shows up today in 182 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,190 my email box? An invitation for Monday night starting at six 183 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:31,050 o'clock for the Led Zeppelin one off reunion concert and party. 184 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,350 I'm like, Oh my fucking god, I feel so bad for the pod show 185 00:10:34,350 --> 00:10:35,850 people that I won't be able to make it. 186 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,580 You get an ad to make a showing. 187 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:45,570 No, I'm of course I'm going to the Christmas party. The 188 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,990 man. I don't know. Yeah, that Zeppelin one off because those 189 00:10:48,990 --> 00:10:50,700 guys are so gone by now. But 190 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:54,180 yeah, but it's like the Ahmed article editor gun tribute and 191 00:10:54,180 --> 00:10:56,580 yeah, there's gonna be a hole. Everyone in the fucking world is 192 00:10:56,580 --> 00:10:57,390 going to be there. 193 00:10:57,420 --> 00:10:59,970 So I went to the first Led Zeppelin concert when they 194 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:02,490 didn't nice as they came out to the West Coast. And I went, 195 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:05,490 luckily enough got to see him when they first showed up. Wow. 196 00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:09,120 And it was really a pretty dynamite experience, because no 197 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,090 one had heard this type of sound before because they were you 198 00:11:12,090 --> 00:11:16,020 know, as a power trio with a different twist. And especially 199 00:11:16,020 --> 00:11:19,380 with Jimmy Page, because at the time he was, you know, he's 200 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:21,600 doing stuff with the guitar, including playing it with like a 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,390 violin, right? Yeah, with a bow string. You know, it was like, 202 00:11:24,390 --> 00:11:27,780 What the heck is that? But the curious thing is, so I was 203 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:30,870 working part time, I was working like, I was working and going to 204 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:36,540 college at the same time. And I was and I would do that, by the 205 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:42,690 way. And so I was in the luncheon place. Talking to some 206 00:11:42,690 --> 00:11:44,760 guy was like a big one. These guys who went to all this 207 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,630 concerts like I used to do. And I and I noticed there's one 208 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:51,300 curious thing that happened at the concert that I thought was 209 00:11:51,330 --> 00:11:56,160 was odd. In the middle of one of their songs, which one of the 210 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,700 songs that had a break in it when they be singing the scene 211 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:02,310 and going crazy and have a break and then they didn't Jimmy Page 212 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:06,000 would rip into a guitar solo. At the moment of the break. 213 00:12:06,210 --> 00:12:11,280 Somebody in the left hand back corner lead out a blood curdling 214 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,180 shriek that match beautifully. The timing and everything was 215 00:12:15,180 --> 00:12:18,000 perfect for the music and it was like it really added a dimension 216 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,090 to the song but actually stabbed. Now it was just 217 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:25,470 somebody screeching, and but it always stuck in my mind is like, 218 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:27,540 awkwardly perfect. 219 00:12:27,629 --> 00:12:28,769 Uh huh. You missed it. 220 00:12:30,090 --> 00:12:33,030 I went to this guy and I said, did you What did you go? And he 221 00:12:33,030 --> 00:12:36,660 went, someone said, some other day I said, did you notice? And 222 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:39,120 I pointed out to him, specifically, this blood 223 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,120 curdling shriek at this one moment in the song and that live 224 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,150 in the back of the room, you know, in the corner. And he 225 00:12:45,150 --> 00:12:49,770 said, Yeah, I thought that was weird. I heard that too. So 226 00:12:49,770 --> 00:12:53,640 apparently, they were ahead of their times with setting these 227 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,140 shills into the audience. Oh, cool. Yeah, that's what I was 228 00:12:58,140 --> 00:12:59,970 thinking. But you know, ever since then, I think I've been 229 00:12:59,970 --> 00:13:01,260 sceptical but everything 230 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:07,230 it's called show business John. Show show business. So I've been 231 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:10,860 you got you got any stories you want to launch away? Let 232 00:13:10,860 --> 00:13:13,830 me finish before we go. Still not done. You have more food, a 233 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:17,520 special blend. PGT is what it's all about. And the one thing we 234 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,680 didn't mention and maybe get some of this for free course. 235 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:23,340 Nobody says anything to me. No lifeboat tea, which I mentioned 236 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:25,830 to you, but we didn't get it on the air. Yeah, it's really one 237 00:13:25,830 --> 00:13:28,650 of the more interesting British teas of people out there want to 238 00:13:28,650 --> 00:13:32,550 like a tea with a real punch to it. Lifeboat tea was supposedly 239 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:36,810 used by the British emergency corps and their lifeboats. So 240 00:13:36,810 --> 00:13:39,720 they could you know, it would give them an extra punch of, of 241 00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:41,430 caffeine or whatever. And 242 00:13:42,450 --> 00:13:44,970 that's good stuff. Okay. Like is delicious, 243 00:13:44,970 --> 00:13:49,110 actually is actually quite tasty. Ah. All right. I'm done. 244 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:58,710 So I've gone on. Let me see. We talked last time we talked, we 245 00:13:58,710 --> 00:14:01,080 talked about the military industrial complex, or maybe 246 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,270 that was at the office. I was showing you Eisenhower's cool. 247 00:14:03,270 --> 00:14:03,390 Yeah, 248 00:14:03,390 --> 00:14:06,750 you're like getting a little nutty about this stuff. But 249 00:14:06,750 --> 00:14:07,080 yeah, 250 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:11,790 well, I someone sent me another Eisenhower quote, which I just 251 00:14:11,790 --> 00:14:12,270 got to read 252 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,180 back up and tell people, okay, if anybody's out there, they 253 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:18,750 want to go look up Eisenhower on YouTube. And he has this really 254 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:21,840 nice speech that he gave, and I, you know, vaguely remembers 255 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,900 hearing it over the years about about the dangers of the 256 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:27,660 military industrial complex. And it's actually when you hear the 257 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:31,380 speech, which you have isolated, I should put on the blog. It's 258 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:34,260 actually quite, quite, quite interesting. 259 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,650 So check this one out from a couple of years before that 260 00:14:37,650 --> 00:14:42,330 speech. So he was still president 1954. I haven't found 261 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:47,700 audio of it yet, unfortunately. So I'm telling you, this guy's 262 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:51,240 the Nostradamus of American politics. Listen to this. Should 263 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,150 any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, 264 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:57,180 unemployment insurance and eliminate labour laws and farm 265 00:14:57,180 --> 00:15:00,180 programmes you would not hear that party again in In our 266 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:03,540 political history, there's a tiny splinter group, of course 267 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:06,810 that believes you can do these things. Among them are a few 268 00:15:06,810 --> 00:15:09,960 Texas oil millionaires and an occasional politician or 269 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,260 businessman from other areas, their number is negligible, and 270 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:19,890 they are stupid. Isn't that a great quote? 271 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:24,060 You know, Eisenhower, I think was under appreciated, the more 272 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:26,760 we you know, over time, I think people are starting to 273 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,220 appreciate that guy more and more and more me guys. He was a 274 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:32,250 military. You know, yeah, he 275 00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:33,480 was he was a general, right? 276 00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:36,029 He was the hot boy. He's the one who organised that, you know, 277 00:15:36,029 --> 00:15:40,469 the D Day thing. Yeah, he was the man. And he was always like 278 00:15:40,469 --> 00:15:42,959 he had, you know, he didn't seem like a humorous guy by any 279 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:46,619 means. He was kind of a stiff business type as a president. 280 00:15:47,129 --> 00:15:49,979 And he was despised by the Democrats, because he was a 281 00:15:49,979 --> 00:15:54,029 Republican. And but the fact of the matter, was it looking back 282 00:15:54,029 --> 00:15:56,039 on, he may actually have been one of the better presidents 283 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:57,179 we've ever had, surely 284 00:15:57,180 --> 00:16:00,540 you can recommend some literature to our listeners, I 285 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:03,240 can't think of anything I because I got to find out more 286 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,580 about this guy. The more he wrote, I 287 00:16:05,580 --> 00:16:07,470 think he wrote a couple of books, which would be worth 288 00:16:07,470 --> 00:16:10,770 reading. And he's probably got, there's probably a few 289 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:14,400 biographies. I'll look into it. I mean, you know, like everybody 290 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,490 else, I've taken him for granted. And it's like, maybe I 291 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:18,750 should rethink it. So 292 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:22,710 so I'm on this tear now about, you know, how can we how can we 293 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:25,020 stop the military industrial complex? Yeah, I know, I'm 294 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:27,300 getting nutty. But hear me out. Because I actually have I have a 295 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:31,260 really good idea. So if I were to ask you, what is the most 296 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:35,400 powerful force in the American economy? What would you say? 297 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:39,510 The most powerful force? Yeah. 298 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:42,780 What is the most powerful force in the American economy? It's 299 00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:45,420 used all the time in financial reporting. 300 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:50,130 And financial reporting, I was gonna say sex before you said 301 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:50,430 that. 302 00:16:51,780 --> 00:17:00,180 In the American economics. Profit, no consumers know, 303 00:17:00,810 --> 00:17:03,990 right. It's the American consumer. That is the God 304 00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:07,680 almighty power of this country. Would you agree? 305 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:11,940 I think so. Yeah. Okay. That's what makes the country a big 306 00:17:11,940 --> 00:17:12,390 market. 307 00:17:12,690 --> 00:17:17,760 So I saw this, this really cute animation, Flash type, real time 308 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:22,860 video thing on a website called story of stuff.com. And it's 309 00:17:22,860 --> 00:17:25,590 basically the story of how stuff is made, you know, from and of 310 00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:29,400 course, from a green vantage point. So first, we rape the 311 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,940 earth, then we then we create all this chemical toxic shit by 312 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:35,490 creating stuff and then we package all this stuff up, and 313 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:37,800 then people take it home, and then it turns into garbage. And 314 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,680 only 1% actually is recycled, you know, one of those stories, 315 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:44,910 and, but the thing that struck me is the whole part about the 316 00:17:44,910 --> 00:17:47,730 consumerism and apparently there was an economist after the 317 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:50,370 Second World War, his name escapes me for a second. And he 318 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:55,320 came up with the idea of using the American people this 319 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,700 consumer force to fuel the economy through something called 320 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:05,100 obsolescence by design. Or designed obsolescence. So 321 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:08,280 products that are absolutely in the land land plant. I'm sorry, 322 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,280 planned obsolescence. Thank you. So products that are designed to 323 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,080 break after six months or that need? 324 00:18:13,290 --> 00:18:15,390 Great, it's available? And you're talking about right? 325 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,740 Yeah, that's it. Thank 326 00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:20,550 you, John. I love it. Man, you are so fucking smart. And then 327 00:18:20,550 --> 00:18:23,460 there's perceived obsolescence, which is basically what the 328 00:18:23,460 --> 00:18:26,220 fashion industry, you know, and they had this great little 329 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:28,860 graphic of, so you know, you work really hard all day, you 330 00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:30,840 come home, you sit in front of television, then television 331 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,720 says, You suck, you don't have the coolest shoes, and then you 332 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,880 go out to shop and you get the cooler shoes and you feel 333 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,310 better. And then you go real work twice as hard and take 334 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:40,920 another job to be able to afford it and you go home and you rest 335 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,900 and you watch television and then they tell you you suck 336 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:45,510 again, because you've got yet the wrong bag. And it's this 337 00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:49,860 endless loop of perceived obsolescence. And I was thinking 338 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:56,640 we should make it first of all if if we want to protest as a as 339 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,340 a country, all we have to do is just stop consuming, which is a 340 00:18:59,340 --> 00:19:01,950 great way to protest because it's easy to do and we save 341 00:19:01,950 --> 00:19:04,770 money so I really liked the concept of let's just not buy 342 00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:09,120 anything for a while and maybe that'll wake someone up. But 343 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,010 then I thought you know how do you really get people how do you 344 00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:14,010 get that kind of awareness? What if we created a brand and I've 345 00:19:14,010 --> 00:19:18,420 come up with the perfect brand called wrong so instead of 346 00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:22,110 having you know the right Gucci bag or the exact right Chanel 347 00:19:22,110 --> 00:19:29,370 bag or the perfect shoes or the right dress or whatever it is 348 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,010 you could walk in because you know how ladies they're 349 00:19:32,010 --> 00:19:35,250 definitely afraid they walk into into a party and have the wrong 350 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:37,440 bag right you know, it's like everyone has yet the new 351 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,260 version. I've got the wrong Oh, she's got the wrong bag. Oh my 352 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:44,340 gosh. So why don't we just create a brand called wrong and 353 00:19:44,340 --> 00:19:46,890 you have these you know, handbags and just like a Gucci 354 00:19:46,890 --> 00:19:50,280 logo logo it'll say wrong so that you can be proud by 355 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,490 protesting by using the same bag not being a part of the 356 00:19:53,490 --> 00:19:56,850 perceived obsolescence by wearing and using the wrong 357 00:19:56,850 --> 00:20:01,290 brand. I've already registered shop wrong.com and by wrong.com 358 00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:02,550 in Yeah, me, I'm 359 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:03,810 on the board. Okay, thank 360 00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:05,850 you. We're making T shirts first. That's our first 361 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:06,810 features. Gotta 362 00:20:06,810 --> 00:20:08,070 say wrong. Yes, wrong. 363 00:20:08,550 --> 00:20:11,070 But with a great logo. So it really looks fashionable, right? 364 00:20:11,070 --> 00:20:11,670 Just wrong. 365 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:15,660 It doesn't you know it does. Franklin Gothic will work, you 366 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:20,880 know, any good type font. So I kind of surprised this actually 367 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,730 is an outstanding idea. No question. I'll get some fly. 368 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:25,350 Like, you're just say whatever curry says, 369 00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:27,870 You don't you do not you do not. 370 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,230 And so I'm just saying this to the two or three guys out there. 371 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:36,750 Anyway, so I think you should look into this further, because 372 00:20:36,750 --> 00:20:39,540 I actually wouldn't be surprised if somebody else isn't doing 373 00:20:39,540 --> 00:20:43,590 something similar. It's just too good of an idea. 374 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,830 I was amazed that knowing that there's a place out there called 375 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:53,040 shop, right? And Best Buy that I could get shop wrong. And by 376 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,040 wrong.com, I was blown away that those domain names were 377 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,760 available. And of course, I got them using my GoDaddy code DSC 378 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,230 one. Speaking of perceived obsolescence 379 00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:08,880 that's funny because I came up with an idea today to which is 380 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,700 something I think I'm going to implement, okay. It's called the 381 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:16,170 Disclosure Project. And I'm gonna I've got a PR woman that, 382 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,270 you know, owes me a favour. I'm gonna have her promote, 383 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,210 she doesn't work at halfmoon Bay, does she by any chance? No, 384 00:21:21,210 --> 00:21:21,840 no, she's 385 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,530 actually I'm going to work with her though she's on some food, 386 00:21:25,620 --> 00:21:28,140 things. You know, when I do some other projects, I'm going to 387 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,790 bring her on because she's 388 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,660 get back to your your Disclosure Project, food 389 00:21:34,110 --> 00:21:36,900 restaurant critic, because we have a crappy one here in the 390 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,720 Bay Area, and some has to be done. Anyway, the Disclosure 391 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,760 Project and the ideas and I came up with the idea because of my 392 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,520 bloggers, because I have like, eight guys or so that blog for 393 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,280 me. And they also have the default cage match and the other 394 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,570 divorce that org slash blog. And there's, you know, I contribute, 395 00:21:57,570 --> 00:22:00,030 but everybody else does, too. And they come up with a lot of 396 00:22:00,030 --> 00:22:03,690 great stuff. But I want to put a page up with every one of these 397 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:05,910 comments. Of course, I've been clear with these guys yet, 398 00:22:05,910 --> 00:22:10,050 because I just thought of it today, I want to put a page up. 399 00:22:10,050 --> 00:22:13,890 And I think I'm going to push it as a project that all media 400 00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:17,610 outlets should do, which is that I want to list of the writers 401 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,150 that are contributing. And I want to know what their 402 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:25,170 political affiliation is, what their religious affiliation is, 403 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:28,950 and all the other things that would be interesting. So you can 404 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:32,700 reevaluate what they have to say, based on what they would 405 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:36,630 obviously have as a background. And now all I can see somebody 406 00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:38,910 will I don't want to say well, who I voted for, I don't want to 407 00:22:38,910 --> 00:22:41,640 seven Republican or Democrat, I don't want to do because I it's 408 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,980 private, it's private, private, I can see people moaning about 409 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:46,410 the concept. But the fact of the matter is, if you're in the 410 00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,290 Fifth Estate, you're you're providing information to the 411 00:22:49,290 --> 00:22:53,130 public, and you're digging into all kinds of things. I think you 412 00:22:53,130 --> 00:22:55,980 have to make a sacrifice once in a while and tell people where 413 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:58,950 you're coming from. And that's what I call the Disclosure 414 00:22:58,950 --> 00:23:02,250 Project. I think it would be interesting to see, you know, so 415 00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:05,760 when you read an article in The New York Times by so and so I 416 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,850 want to be able to click on that guy's name and see what you 417 00:23:08,850 --> 00:23:11,730 know, where he's come background is public. And is he a Democrat? 418 00:23:11,730 --> 00:23:14,340 Is it part of the Union? Is he a freelancer? Is he 419 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:17,820 Catholic is let me ask you a question. Isn't that kind of 420 00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:20,850 where it's going to move eventually, anyway, where I 421 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:25,590 would I? Yeah, you're a writer, but I see you as a journalist. 422 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,160 If I want to know what John C Dvorak is about, I go to John C, 423 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,840 dvorak.org, DeVore, org.org/blog, whatever. And I 424 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,840 can read about you and I can make up my own mind. It's not 425 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,840 exactly disclosed in that manner. But you know, 426 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,470 actually, you don't know that much what you get on the Vorta 427 00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:46,440 or slash blog look at short bio, which I have listed yet, you 428 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,350 know, I wrote for here or won this award, I've done this, I do 429 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:52,860 that, but I get insight into you, you get very little it 430 00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:55,800 doesn't say it's not the same as knowing that I, you know, that, 431 00:23:55,890 --> 00:23:58,680 like we talked about before, like I've done, you know, 432 00:23:58,710 --> 00:24:03,600 Universal Life Church and I, you know, I'm agnostic and but I'm 433 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,120 not an atheist like these other guys, I got two or three 434 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,620 atheists, you know, well, 435 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:10,830 I think it's a really good idea. First of all, I doubt that any 436 00:24:10,860 --> 00:24:13,680 journalist will participate because I think you're right, 437 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,700 they're all gonna say well, I 438 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:16,620 think they could be for it. I think that if the public 439 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:17,850 demanded it, I know. 440 00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:25,470 I know. I know how you can force them. Make it a wiki Yeah, make 441 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:27,960 it a wiki and if you know but but they're allowed to change 442 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,110 it. 443 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,980 I liked that I you know what else? That's what's gonna end up 444 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:33,210 becoming because oh, this 445 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:37,410 is it. Here it is. So you send them an email. Congratulations, 446 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:40,620 you are now on the Disclosure Project. A wiki page has been 447 00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:46,350 created for you. Anyone can go in and put anything they want. 448 00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:50,220 But if you register you know with with these credentials, 449 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:53,640 whatever, then you have an admin so that you can go in and change 450 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:59,940 it to what you believe is true. In disclosure, right, but the 451 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000 The changes will remain in place, something like that. That 452 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,370 can be very cool. That would work. down to million dollar 453 00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:12,360 ideas in one in 25 minutes on a rolling, we are that good. 454 00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:15,540 Actually, we had a guy that was doing cranky geeks the other day 455 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:20,520 and guy comes, the conversation changed to like an idea. Oh, 456 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,430 boy. And I have to kind of remember what it was. But it was 457 00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:29,100 like a money maker. You probably we should like just do this. I 458 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:32,220 mean, come on. A lot of money making it isn't a problem. By 459 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:34,230 the way. For people out there listening. This this little 460 00:25:34,260 --> 00:25:36,480 area, the San Francisco Bay area, especially around the 461 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,140 Silicon Valley. meal you is essentially it's all you do all 462 00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:42,330 the time, as you're just coming up with these idiotic ideas. 463 00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:45,450 Some of them are good, some are stupid. But there's just the 464 00:25:45,450 --> 00:25:49,620 whole scene is nothing but just dreaming up concepts and ideas 465 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:52,470 and trying to make some money or if nothing else, just 466 00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:56,340 implementing or having fun. It's really an odd place. 467 00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:59,970 Yeah, and I couldn't were you. Were you here in the 60s? Yeah, 468 00:25:59,970 --> 00:26:00,930 you were out here, aren't you? 469 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:04,020 And I was just I was a youngster. Yeah. 470 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:09,150 Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I forgot. But hasn't this place always been 471 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:09,750 like that? 472 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,470 You know, I think it goes back to the gold mining era. 473 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:16,529 Oh, wow. You weren't around then too, aren't you just a youngster 474 00:26:16,529 --> 00:26:17,729 but I was just 475 00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:22,470 a kid. But I think really in the at once gold and then silver was 476 00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:26,400 discovered. And then all these just quiet, you know, borderline 477 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,860 criminals came out here with their banks, you know that all 478 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:32,880 these guys became very famous, you know, bought these. And, you 479 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,570 know, they took advantage of the situation. That group I think, 480 00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:39,840 is the progenitors of everything we've seen since even though 481 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,150 like people like to credit Silicon Valley with Stanford. 482 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000 But if you look at Stanford, Stanford himself, the original 483 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:49,050 Leland Stanford goes back to that same era was you know, 484 00:26:49,050 --> 00:26:54,300 borderline crook. And it's like, the whole scene is really come 485 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:57,960 from the from the Gold Rush and the scammers and everybody that 486 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,380 came and went, and it still exists. In fact, 1000 at a 487 00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:05,250 party. I won't say who was placed, but it's one of these 488 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:10,650 guys. I think, actually, I think I think it was the CEO of 489 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:16,350 Intuit. And it's a big mansion, Scott. And so there's this party 490 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:19,410 there and there was something I was in one of the rooms talking 491 00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:23,550 to somebody and there's this one very cynical guy, making me look 492 00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:27,060 like a normal guy. And you were talking about well, you know, 493 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:29,490 there's a lot of you know, I was I was actually promoting the the 494 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,180 valley thing is, you know, a way that a lot of ideas and stuff 495 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,550 are generated and I was I don't know why it was so uptempo, you 496 00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:39,090 were smoking the dope. No, I was not smoking anything. In fact, 497 00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:41,700 there was rarely I wasn't even drinking much. Maybe that's the 498 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:44,520 problem. But anyway, whatever the case, this guy says, What 499 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,850 are you talking about? He says, this whole thing is just a big 500 00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:52,800 scam. All these guys are just a bunch of salesmen selling crap 501 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,380 to the public. There's like there's nothing to it. It's 502 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:58,800 shallow. It's just making money from the making of money sake. 503 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,810 And he went on and on and everyone think I walked away 504 00:28:00,810 --> 00:28:02,880 going, you know what? He's right. 505 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,840 To a certain extent, absolutely. We are. I noticed over and over 506 00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:16,320 how weirdly out of place we are here in San Francisco. Not you. 507 00:28:16,770 --> 00:28:18,300 But pod show as a company. 508 00:28:18,449 --> 00:28:20,159 I don't think that out of place. 509 00:28:20,219 --> 00:28:22,469 I think we're very out of place. I mean, not not from the 510 00:28:22,469 --> 00:28:26,069 engineering perspective. But from, you know, first of all, 511 00:28:26,069 --> 00:28:29,849 we're building a business that actually sells things to 512 00:28:29,879 --> 00:28:31,799 companies who gladly pay for it. 513 00:28:32,970 --> 00:28:34,110 You know, that's a little weird. 514 00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:36,990 We make money, you know that that's like wrong. You shouldn't 515 00:28:36,990 --> 00:28:41,790 be doing that. But I can tell I can tell sometimes like, wow, 516 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:47,430 this is so so out of place here. But I also makes it fun. So I 517 00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:52,680 think we cannot end this show as American citizens without 518 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:58,890 briefly having touched on. HR 1955. 519 00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:02,670 Yeah, go ahead. I know about this. Go ahead. 520 00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:07,410 Okay. The violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism 521 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:09,660 prevention act of 2007. 522 00:29:09,989 --> 00:29:12,329 Yeah, no, I first saw this, I think it was somebody presented 523 00:29:12,329 --> 00:29:15,269 it on the blog. And I looked at it and when I first saw it, I 524 00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:16,739 think I thought it was a hoax. 525 00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:21,690 I thought the exact same thing, but it's not. This has already 526 00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:22,770 passed the House of Reps. I 527 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:25,290 know I looked it up. It's on the government site. It's a real 528 00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:26,340 thing I'm looking at 529 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:34,260 right now. Okay, so this is a bill. That is and I'm actually 530 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:36,960 they have a summary. Should I just read the summary that it's 531 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,440 on the damn website? It should be understandable. Okay. 532 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:46,350 Introduced for 19 2007 homegrown terrorism prevention act 2007 533 00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:49,230 amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add provisions 534 00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:52,800 concerning the prevention of homegrown terrorism, in 535 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,890 parentheses, terrorist terrorism by individuals born raised or 536 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:59,340 based and operating primarily in the United States. It directs 537 00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:02,190 the secretary of Homeland Security to one establish a 538 00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:06,510 grant programme to prevent Hold on a second to prevent 539 00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:10,830 radicalization use of which is defined as use of an extremist 540 00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:15,750 belief system for facilitating ideologically based violence and 541 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:19,440 homegrown terrorism in the United States, and to establish 542 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,950 or designate a university based Centre of Excellence for the 543 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:26,010 Study of Radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the 544 00:30:26,010 --> 00:30:29,070 United States. And three, conduct a survey of 545 00:30:29,070 --> 00:30:32,190 methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent 546 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:36,480 radicalization and homegrown terrorism. It prevents the 547 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,550 Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent 548 00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:41,340 ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism from 549 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,890 violating the constitutional and civil rights and civil liberties 550 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:47,550 of US citizens and lawful permanent residents. And 551 00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:51,090 actually, I think the summary doesn't, they omitted something 552 00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:54,510 very important in this summary, I believe. Let me just see if I 553 00:30:54,510 --> 00:30:56,070 can look at the full text. 554 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:58,230 Well, I mean, I looked over this thing. And one of the things 555 00:30:58,230 --> 00:31:01,380 that came out of it's like, they could almost take the law that 556 00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:05,760 this thing has passed, and it's not thrown out by a court, which 557 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,430 is bound to happen if somebody goes after 558 00:31:08,550 --> 00:31:11,010 404 representatives vote on 559 00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:13,260 these people. This is the Do they 560 00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:15,810 ever do. They read this fucking shit. This is 561 00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:20,190 the Roman Senate. These people are horrible. And I'm gonna do a 562 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:25,050 follow up story after you're done with this with a 409 to two 563 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:30,990 vote on something just as stupid and dangerous as that thing 564 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:33,810 you're talking about, which is ridiculous. And these guys just 565 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,180 rubber stamp everything. And this is supposed to be this is 566 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:39,270 why Congress, by the way, you know, if you follow the polls, 567 00:31:39,270 --> 00:31:42,270 the President has like this ridiculous low rating, you know, 568 00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:46,140 historically low under 30% approval rating, but Congress is 569 00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:50,220 like around 10% approval rating, because these guys were had all 570 00:31:50,220 --> 00:31:53,730 these promises, especially the Democrats, and they did nothing 571 00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:57,690 and now they roll over on all these idiotic laws. And the one 572 00:31:57,690 --> 00:31:59,790 I'm going to talk about well, 573 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,510 before you get there before you go on the rant, let me just read 574 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,140 definition number two, and I just want you to pick that apart 575 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:12,630 because you are a a wordsmith. Violent radicalization is 576 00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:18,000 determined as the process of adopting or promoting an 577 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,140 extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating 578 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:26,790 ideologically based violence to advance political, religious or 579 00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:32,220 social change that cannot go into law. 580 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,190 I know it's idiotic, it's crazy. But there are some other aspects 581 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,320 apparently, almost, I think there you there's one 582 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,170 interpretation, where even criticising the President could 583 00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:44,340 wait, you could wind up and 584 00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:49,800 yes, you can, you can, you can be deemed a homegrown terrorist. 585 00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:54,090 So even we just discussed what I just discussed about slowing 586 00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:58,050 down the consumer engine of the United States could most 587 00:32:58,230 --> 00:33:01,650 definitely be taken to task by this. 588 00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:08,040 Can I have your job? Of what sitting in jail when you get 589 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,230 thrown into get? Yes, 590 00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:13,980 only if you promise to do a show every single day, okay. As long 591 00:33:13,980 --> 00:33:16,380 as you do the daily source code every day, it's fine. It'll be 592 00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:21,060 the job. It's Devorah xe DSC, 593 00:33:21,510 --> 00:33:24,150 be the daily source code with John C. Dvorak is not gonna 594 00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:25,290 gonna change much. I 595 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:27,450 appreciate it. That's nice. That's very cool. Don't 596 00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:30,270 forget the FUBAR Friday, homage to you once in a while. Yeah, 597 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:31,860 on Fridays, that's all I asked. 598 00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:34,980 So we that'd be good to go like to say, well, you know, Good 599 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:40,260 Friday show and of course, you know, Adam is in Gitmo, and I 600 00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:42,630 guess they're beating the crap out of him but you know, hey, 601 00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:49,560 electrocuting my testicles, but otherwise everything's fine. So 602 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:55,710 obviously call to action. People. If please, please write 603 00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:57,750 to your Congressman. What do we have to do John Hughes you write 604 00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:59,700 to your congressman, what are you supposed to do Hey, with 605 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,970 the Congress rolls over like this. You can read all your wine 606 00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:03,690 it's not going to help 607 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,080 it but this this can go into law. This is this isn't outrage. 608 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,600 We really have to stop this. This is ultimately 609 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,900 the Supreme Court's not going to put up with it was sorry. Let's 610 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,600 follow up with another ludicrous. I'm going to read it 611 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,220 this was taken from the this is a post on the blog as a matter 612 00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:23,250 of fact, is the SAFE Act SAF II act. 613 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:31,049 Oh, yes, I've read this one. Hold on a second. Hold on, hold 614 00:34:31,049 --> 00:34:36,689 on one second, John. Like Hey, John, can I tell you right back 615 00:34:36,689 --> 00:34:40,679 I'm just recording no agenda with the other John. Okay. All 616 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,029 right back now by Fernandez our financial dude, he's still at 617 00:34:45,029 --> 00:34:48,659 the office. Oh, poor bastard. Yeah, really? Okay. Sorry, the 618 00:34:48,659 --> 00:34:50,609 SAFE Act. Yes. Refresh my memory. 619 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Okay. And I'm gonna read from the blog post. If you own a Wi 620 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,540 Fi spot that's accessible and free or own a business that 621 00:34:57,540 --> 00:35:00,960 provides such a service. Yes, I remember I've just gets a wee 622 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,940 bit more complicated seems that Congress passed by a margin of 623 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,870 409 to two and by the way, I'll bet you one of those two is Ron 624 00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:10,230 Paul. 625 00:35:10,619 --> 00:35:14,849 Yes, it absolutely you are right, Gary. He is Ron Paul 626 00:35:14,849 --> 00:35:15,809 voted against it. 627 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:21,450 They pass the safe S A F E Act, which stands for securing 628 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,100 adolescents from exploitation online act. You know, this is a 629 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,070 great thing to couch things in. Anyway, it goes on while 630 00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:32,190 everyone will most people are against terrorism and child 631 00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:36,930 porn. This sweeping Bill pits the operators of services such 632 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:40,410 as Wi Fi and social networks against its users and leaves the 633 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,520 onus on the operator and here's a quote from the article that 634 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,550 was cited. The US House of Representatives on Wednesday 635 00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:50,580 overwhelmingly approved a bill saying that anyone offering an 636 00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:54,240 open Wi Fi connection to the public must report illegal 637 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,770 images, including obscene cartoons and drawings, or face 638 00:35:58,770 --> 00:36:02,760 fines of up to $300,000. The broad definition would cover 639 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,300 individuals coffee shops, libraries, hotels, and even some 640 00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,110 government agencies that provide Wi Fi. It also sweeps in social 641 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:13,590 networking sites, domain name registrars, internet service 642 00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:16,260 providers and email service providers such as Hotmail and 643 00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:20,640 Gmail, they require that the complete contents of the user's 644 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,940 account be retained for subsequent police inspection 645 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:27,060 hellos that, isn't that funny? 646 00:36:27,209 --> 00:36:31,289 So another one is passed by 647 00:36:31,290 --> 00:36:37,650 these idiots. 409 to two, it makes no sense. And besides 648 00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:42,180 that, it's not possible to do what they demand. It's not 649 00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:44,490 possible. It's not technologically possible. And 650 00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:47,010 essentially, everybody would just have to shut down. So I 651 00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:48,900 mean, so the whole thing is idiotic. It's not going to go 652 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:51,360 anywhere, because it can't because it can't work. But 653 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,060 nobody's going to vote against it, these morons because it's 654 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:57,090 about kiddie porn, and then all of a sudden, when it's not, it's 655 00:36:57,090 --> 00:36:58,860 really not about that at all. But no, but that's what it's 656 00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:02,790 labelled. Yes, labelled as as securing adolescence. Boy, I 657 00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:04,680 will definitely vote for that. No one. 658 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:07,230 Actually, it's called censorship. That's what that's 659 00:37:07,260 --> 00:37:11,400 it's called censorship. And it's very easy to tack on a little it 660 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,950 just let's just combine these two. You know what? I think you 661 00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:16,650 should while you're scanning for kiddie porn, I think you should 662 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:21,690 also scan for someone who is in the process of adopting or 663 00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:24,270 promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of 664 00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:27,150 facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, 665 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:29,460 religious and social change. Yeah, I think you should retain 666 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,700 his account to make sure he's not doing that. I'm so going to 667 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,660 the slammer. John? 668 00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:36,209 Get Mo, man. Yeah, 669 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:37,560 no, baby, get Mo. 670 00:37:37,769 --> 00:37:38,669 That's where you're headed. 671 00:37:38,699 --> 00:37:41,219 So we're in trouble? 672 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:45,240 I don't know. I would lose things, you know, these things 673 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,430 shake out and in the in the wash? Well, 674 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:50,580 as long as we keep talking about it, and people realise it, 675 00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:53,460 because, you know, yeah, there's some reports here and there. But 676 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:55,530 look at the timing, look at when this is coming out. 677 00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:58,499 You know, but the thing that gets me the most I mean, I know 678 00:37:58,499 --> 00:38:00,899 these things are gonna get very focused, the smart money's just 679 00:38:00,899 --> 00:38:04,439 gonna do Sue against them. I mean, the courts can't put up 680 00:38:04,439 --> 00:38:09,689 with this yet. But it's the 409 to two. It's like what is wrong 681 00:38:09,689 --> 00:38:13,199 with Congress? That is that they implode for this stuff? Because 682 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:17,069 they're cowed into it by just the name of the Act, which has 683 00:38:17,069 --> 00:38:18,539 got nothing to do with anything. 684 00:38:18,570 --> 00:38:21,870 I don't believe that even read it. I really don't. I think 685 00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:24,960 somebody they have big staffs that somebody someone's reading 686 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,600 it. Yeah, and someone's reading it gonna shut another kiddie 687 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480 porn thing. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, you should vote on that 688 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,750 one. 689 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:35,430 Yeah, you don't want to seek Me. Meanwhile, the two guys with 690 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:39,270 enough guts enough balls to vote against it are the only two 691 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,000 people that I have any respect for in the Congress. And it's 692 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,700 like, you know, because they're not, you know, it's BS. It's 693 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,360 like, just because something is but you know, you couch it in 694 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,570 oils, about securing adolescents from online, whatever. Yeah, 695 00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:54,570 that's great. That's fine with it. But it's not that's not what 696 00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:56,340 it's about at all. It's got nothing to do with it's not 697 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:59,220 protecting anybody. It's it's actually trying to shut down 698 00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:59,790 things. So 699 00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:03,750 just so this passed in the Senate right. Now, that's 700 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:06,060 a congress thing that 409 to two I don't know what the Senate 701 00:39:06,299 --> 00:39:08,609 side. So is this now law? 702 00:39:09,389 --> 00:39:15,149 No, it's just as far as an act. Yeah, never so far. But and then 703 00:39:15,149 --> 00:39:17,219 usually the senators are a little more, you know, they're 704 00:39:17,459 --> 00:39:19,529 because he the Congress will bring the thing in the Senate to 705 00:39:19,529 --> 00:39:21,389 the Senate, the Senator will rewrite it and if they changed 706 00:39:21,389 --> 00:39:25,229 the name of it, you know, from safe to something else, you 707 00:39:25,229 --> 00:39:27,689 know, the idiotic action, like censor all things on the 708 00:39:27,689 --> 00:39:29,609 internet. Don't vote against it. 709 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:34,530 Go God bless Ron Paul. I hope that I hope that guy wins. 710 00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:37,380 That would make me so happy with his chances of winning are 711 00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:39,210 zeroed. If he wins, 712 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:43,170 I am so getting laid in the Lincoln Bedroom. I am so getting 713 00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:43,710 laid there. 714 00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:46,980 Probably cut that deal out. 715 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:49,500 You know, they've asked me to do get it and now they've asked me 716 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,140 to do an endorsement video for them, which of course I'm going 717 00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:59,010 to do. Sure. So yeah, it's, oh, well, we're doing our best and 718 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,280 we'll try and do more of it next week unless you've got anything 719 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:02,790 left John. 720 00:40:02,849 --> 00:40:05,639 No, I think that's about it. We've got to T plug in, you 721 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:06,299 know, whatever. 722 00:40:06,449 --> 00:40:12,959 So send us t. And don't send us to jail. Get mo get mo baby. 723 00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:16,919 Coming to you from the curry condo. I'm Adam curry. 724 00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:19,620 And I'm John C. 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