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Coming to you not only from
opposite ends of the globe, but

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also opposite ends of the
generational gap. It's time once

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again for no agenda coming to
you from the affluent suburb of

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Surrey, known as Guilford in the
United Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.

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It's absolute.

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Oh, hell yeah.

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I'm John C. Dvorak coming up to
you from the less than affluent

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sections of Northern California.
We're well known people that

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have the real people.

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I know man, this is the salt of
the earth is in Guilford my

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friend.

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There might be some salt here,
but that has nothing to do with

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the population.

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Hey, we didn't do our weather
check. I've got a beautiful day

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how you doing in? In San
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It's kind of foggy. Which means
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afternoon. It's been very hot in
the last few days was 100. The

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other day? Oh, crap. We've had
some extremely hot weather.

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Which always results in this
fog. Now whether or not it's

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going to burn off as another
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Now it's been nothing like that
over here, obviously. But it is.

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It has been nice. We have a nice
day today. A little bit of a

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breeze, a little bit of sun.
Couple of clouds. It's nice

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to see anything you were
partying all last night. Tell us

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about it.

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Yeah, so actually, normally we
record the show around what is

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it probably around 5:30pm. My
time it's about 9:30am your time

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on Saturday. And I'd already
sent John a note and said, Look,

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I you know, we've been invited
to this party. And it's in

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Brighton, which is about an hour
from here, down south right on

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the coast, which is famous for a
number of reasons. I think one

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of them is some political
conventions that take place

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there. But Brighton does have
some. I think some pretty big

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historic significance. Actually.
Beach does Brighton Beach.

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Correct. And you know what the
architecture and the beach and

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interestingly enough, it being
the gay capital of the United

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Kingdom, it has a very
interesting San Francisco vibe.

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Hmm, yeah.

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It really does. When you when we
look I didn't know is the gay

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capital?

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Well, I don't know if it's the
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has that. That dubious honour.
And it does have a beach anyway.

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So this was a party that was
being thrown by David Hill,

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who's the president and founder
of E three entertainment.

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Basically, what they do is they
provide all the entertainment

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for the big Thomas Cook vacation
packages, which is kind of

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interesting, because, you know,
that's everything from trips to

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Disney Land, to the big cruise
ships. And so Patricia and I

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were invited by Yes, super agent
Keith, who, and it was also it

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was a charity dinner. So you
know supper for sub two

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children's charity. So it's one
of those things kind of like a

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rubber chicken type thing. But
let's go see, let's go hang out.

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Let's go to Brighton. Man was

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it was it it? Was it a gay
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Yes and no. I mean, a lot of
like cruise, cruise theatre, you

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know, Cruise Line Type theatre
stuff with with dancers and can

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can and so yeah, that was
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aspects. And yeah, I guess it
was kind of a gay event in a

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way. Which was usually can be
pretty funny. I think the

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funniest thing about this, which
is our table, you know, you've

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you have not met Keith Bishop,
who we call super agent Keith.

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But he's tied into it like 20
years at the BBC. And he's been

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independent for a number of
years. And so he knows everybody

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and knows everything about
everybody. And he has friends

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like Mickey the news agent,
Mickey kebabbed knife, all of

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these shady kinds of figures who
who travel in his circles and

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you know some D liberties
anyway, it was a it was a very

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sorry it

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sounds like a laundry list of
personalities from the movie

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Well, there was one thing you
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kind of it and it was a bit like
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so yeah, one of these
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10 people and I'm sure Keith
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pounds or whatever it is. And
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interacting with people and then
as the evening goes on now that

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member This is a first for us
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as the evening goes on and the
wind flows more freely boy, you

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know, things that kind of loose
and pretty funny and there was

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this one guy, Kevin the
comedian. I don't even I don't

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know his last name I do. I do
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those like stand up shows that
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the UK very similar to the
states on television. And at one

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point he said, Okay, here's what
we're going to do. On the count

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of three, we're all going to
start laughing and and like

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someone just said something
really hilarious and everyone

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will think we have the funniest
table and the best place to be

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and they all did it and it was
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I think I will repeat. If I'm no
matter where I am at one of

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these chicken rubber chicken
dinners it's pretty funny

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because everyone looks over like
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I should have been sitting with
with those guys

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it's like Woody Allen on the
wrong train and star doesn't

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memories

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if only I had seen it I could
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great movies should you actually
that's a movie you should see

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it's a lot of people believed it
was the swan song to the funny

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period of Woody Allen because it
was about all the other movies

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he did previous was this
actually a lot of people

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including myself think it's one
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you got a copy I'm sure you can
rip one for me or do I have to

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actually go through the process
of finding it we'll talk later

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so but anyway it was really nice
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Brighton just in general I was
completely blown away it's it's

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a rather large city has
fantastic you know it's only 25

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minutes from Gatwick which is
interesting because where we are

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is also 25 minutes away from
Gatwick but it's on the sea. It

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has you know a lot of
entertainment nightlife etc has

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a fantastic pier that it has an
old one that is still kind of

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decrepit there in the sea, which
is I think it because it's

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protected then they don't get
rid of it. But the new one is

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just amazing, which is very much
like a Coney Island type of

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pier.

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Believe that Gordon Ramsay did
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I'm sure he must have there must
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work on and his management
skills there. It was really

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nice, you know, and honestly,
after just driving down there

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and being around there driving
through it a bit. Patricia and I

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were like how we should consider
moving here. I mean, it's like

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there's no difference from from
London except, you know, here's

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actually it appears to be still
very British. The architecture

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is exactly the kind that we
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like that San Franciscan, but
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you've got to see you've got to
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airport 10 minutes away, which
is good for daddio Gatwick 25

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minutes away, it's like, oh, you
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Why don't you do it?

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Well, we're looking, in fact, it
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Patricia, as I was making my tea
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hang on. I'm gonna go do the
show. Is Christina home. No,

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she's out at Liz's house. Okay,
could you please like not not

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serve and I'll just close your
email. She's like, Oh, great. I

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was just had my cup of tea and I
was ready to sit down and look

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at real estate and Brighton.
Okay, well, I guess I won't then

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you know, one of those jobs
because we can't both use the

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internet at the same time for
bandwidth intensive applications

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if one of them is Skype.

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Yeah, no, you should get a
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I've I've put it I put an order
in months ago with Virgin, which

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is the the Virgin Media. They
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and you know, formerly known as
NT hell, and nothing has changed

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in that regard. You can't get
them out. You can't get them out

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here. Maybe in December. It's
like okay, well, I'll probably

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have brightened by how's the

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connectivity and brightened?
Have you checked into it?

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Because I know that you're one
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move in further was to get
better connectivity.

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I have a feeling it's gonna be a
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compared to Guilford, I mean,
Brighton is big smoke. I mean,

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it's it's major. It's a real
it's a it's a metropolis. It

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kind

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of blew me away. I'm sorry, you
can get more house for your

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money. Now I

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think it's going to be about
just about equally as expensive.

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In fact, the vibe is from the
people that I spoke there it's

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like everyone from London is now
moving here keeping a pet a tear

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in the city of course for when
you have your West End Show. But

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I think it's well in general
real estate here. They're there.

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They're predicting the papers
now that there's going to be a

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9% decline in prices overall.
40% decline in actual property

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sold. So good.

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Yeah, wires market that's when
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not i think i think I'm gonna
wait just a little bit longer. I

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don't think it's quite there
yet. Because meanwhile, of

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course the interest rates for
mortgages are going up. Crazy.

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Yeah, that's, that's one of
those deals. What do we call it

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stagflation? I see it
everywhere. Now, since you

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taught me the word.

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stagflation a classic.

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Almost, in fact,

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so how is it? Let's go back to
the party. So you said this

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party had fireworks? It was
plastered?

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Yeah, it was. Well, yeah, it was
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don't really drink a glass of
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there so everyone outside on the
balcony and there was fireworks

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there was a nice little display
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then everyone went back in and
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And I'm like, Dude, it's like
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got an hour to drive back and
I'm not gonna sit around here

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and drink anymore. And I mean,
you just see people kind of melt

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away but I'll tell you the
British when they drink they're

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funny. I mean, by the way,
they're funny when that when

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they don't drink but they're
they're not annoying drunk. It's

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just nicely drunk. And anyway,
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that seems to contrast with the
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I have no no experience with the
Irish. But there certainly

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are more pubs in in London and
you run into these Irish later

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in the night, you know, they
tend to be argumentative.

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Well just look at the Lisbon
Treaty. I think that that's

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probably a genetic thing and has
nothing to do with drinking.

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They are definitely
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So while we're on the topic of
the Brits, did you see that by

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the way, if you get a chance to
my blog posts that are up now,

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which, of course by the time
people hear this open, miss it,

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but check the weekend stuff. So
Martha Stewart was banned from

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going to I read that from Inc to
England, because she, you know,

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was busted in the US for that
ridiculous. insider trading

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scandal. Yeah, and I guess she's
a threat to society over there.

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You they can't handle her. She's
gonna come in there and

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corrupters to the public. Well,

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probably, but the I guess the
law here is they don't hand out

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visas to convicted criminals. So

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this is crawling with
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That's not really true. John,
just don't tell anyone over

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here. Yeah, no, they're not
convicted terrorists, okay.

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They're the terrorists of the
non convicted kind. That's it.

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That's the deal is, if you're a
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just then you're denied entry
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obviously, no one wants to touch
that one. Because if they're

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going to let Martha Stewart in,
then you know, okay, so that's a

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an exception to the rule. What
other exceptions on it, they'll

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never let her in. No one wants
to deal with that shit right

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now. And by the way, screw her.
I don't want her over here

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either.

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Well, she has business
interests. I believe she needs

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to take care of.

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No, I think she wants to start
business interests. That's the

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report I read.

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At least you should just get a
second citizenship.

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Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's some
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for dual citizenship as well.

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You can always buy one in
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It's so funny though, to see
Charles Koppelman, who wasn't he

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a big week at Viacom, Charles
Koppelman.

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The name rings a bell? I don't
remember.

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So he's now the president of
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called. But they're also living
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I don't know. So it's kind of
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statements show up in you know,
Charles Koppelman never

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mentioned is Martha's partner.
making statements. But yeah, I

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understand like, of course, you
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to society, no more than what's
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right now with these traders who
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of oil. You know, there are some
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Yeah, Michael Greenberger is one
of them.

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So what I've read over here, and
for people have not heard

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previous episodes have no
agenda. So the general Well, the

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general thinking, one of the
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skyrocketed so quickly, is that
there's still a loophole, very

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similar to the one that the
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crisis, where which ultimately
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California, but that has not
been closed for commodity

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trading in oil futures. And
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there's a huge amount of that
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is where, you know, we're the
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Europe, I would say arguably,
and they've even introduced

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something called the balls
claws. Have you heard of this?

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No, tell me it's kind of like a
blocking action so that the EU

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because the US is now trying to
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London, hey, you know, you guys
got to have limits on on the

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amount I think its limits on the
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trading and they also have to do
more, provide more disclosure as

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to what their positions are. And
they have all kinds of because

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the City of London is has its
own law did you know that it's

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its own entity? It's not
actually it's not even may not

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even be part of England as far
as I know it has

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some of that I don't know about
that part. But yeah,

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but yeah, you know, has its own
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it's a square mile its own
entity has its own tax laws that

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I think is true.

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Right. You should mention that
people that when you know that

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London, the Greater London is
one thing but the City of London

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is this little bitty piece in
the middle. Yeah.

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And it's just it's a square
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that where all the banks are all
the financial trading takes

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place. They have their own mayor
their own laws, and God knows

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what else and so they have

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their own they have their own
police uniforms. Yeah,

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their own police uniforms. They
have their own I think they

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don't all have their services,
fire. Everything is all it's all

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separate. Anyway, so they don't
want the US meddling with what

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they're doing. And so they're
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fact, it was, I should look this
up the European Union is also on

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to this.

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almost everybody's onto it
except American press. The

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American press has still been
running stories about, well,

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it's because there's a shortage.
We're running out of oil, and

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we're wasting it and we need to
be more green.

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And that green thing, it's
starting to bother me more and

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more now that I'm looking at,
you know, what taxes are being

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written and what examples are
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does it all John just boil down
to this one report, but the

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IPCC, whatever those guys are
called the International Kuva,

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grand commission of whatever,
who came out with a report that

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said, you know, basically, we're
burning up the Earth, is it? Is

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it all based on that one report?
Is that how all the co2 taxes

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all of a sudden came into play
while we were asleep?

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I think it's all based on Al
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of the same thing. Al Gore was
the public version of the IPCC

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report.

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Yeah, ya know, Gore has been
instrumental in creating this

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panic. They're like, what's
changed? You know,

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there was a funny report in the,
in the Financial Times, I think

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it was yesterday. And it was a
review of one of Al Gore

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speeches, because I guess he
still goes around the world and

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does these speeches with his
famous PowerPoint? And

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he flies around in his G five,
you know, or?

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Yeah, well, it gets better
because a Hummer, and then the

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Hummer is rolled out of the C
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gets better, because, you know,
he has a disclaimer, which I

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guess is pretty normal that you
had or not a disclaimer made me

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to just a document this handed
out to?

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I think it's like a non
disclosure, isn't it? Well,

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actually,

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it's part. It's not really non
disclosure, me,

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I know this for a fact. Right?
Listen to this stuff.

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But what but what it says it's
part disclosure, where he says

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that, you know, he discloses
that he represents several

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investments and firms in green
technology, etc. And, you know,

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for basically one of those
forward looking statements may

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not represent, etc. So it's kind
of sounds like what he's doing.

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He's going around, he's saying,
we're all going to die, but

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invest in these companies who
are trying to keep you alive.

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Yeah, I think there's a
requirement for him to do that.

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I think there's an SEC
requirement because he has an

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interest in all these things
he's promoting. Yeah. And

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there's some videos like that.
It's like those crazy statements

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you see in the bottom of certain
kinds of press releases. Yeah.

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He just covering his ass,
basically.

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Because he's doing that, I
guess.

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Yeah. Well, he's a shill for as
you know, he's got he's making

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money. I mean, he's, he went, he
left public life, you know,

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basically worth a couple million
dollars. Now he's worth 130

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million or something like that.
Yeah, he's really worth a lot.

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not just it's gotta be from the
speaking engagements. It's and

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from the investments. It's not
from the movie, the movie

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doesn't make anything. No,

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no, no, that movie was just a
promotional tool for his other

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stuff. Right. I mean, basically,
the movie was a is a would you

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call an advertorial for all
practical purposes? Well, it's

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an outrage. It's an outrage.

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I'm outraged.

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I'm pissed off. You know, I'm
just unlike. I remember when

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this IPCC report came out, I was
there when Al Gore presented the

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movie for the first time at the
Kleiner Perkins CEO retreat. In

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what is it? I'm thinking Pebble
Beach, whatever it is. Not

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Pebble Beach. Anyway, doesn't
matter. I was there, you know,

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and I'm looking at this like,
Okay, that's interesting. And

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then I start reading a bit of
the controversy about the IPCC

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report, and all of a sudden you
turn around and it's like,

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there's tax increases and in
petrol and everything you can

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imagine all for this greenhouse.
I'm like, Oh, well, that's kind

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of that happened pretty quick.

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Can we go from zero to 100?

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I was too busy with like
building a company.

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Public just running around like
chickens with their heads cut

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off waving their arms about this
stuff.

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But without even really, I mean,
there's no I'm gonna just the

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last of ulterior research, but
no one ever does anything with

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it. Yeah. And by the way, how
can people can predict how we're

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going to burn up within the next
100 years? I'm obviously just

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editorial. I know,

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where are you going with this
line? I was gonna I was hoping

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to use this line myself. Here

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it comes. They can't even
predict the fucking weather for

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tomorrow. Exactly. That's what I
want to know.

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They can't predict the weather
for tomorrow.

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Neither can I by the way, I can
do six hours. I can see some,

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some systems where you can
reasonably predict when and

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where it's going to hit but you
know, 10 years 20 years out i No

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way and I'm just talking when
I'm not even talking

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temperature.

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But the other problem that we
noticed is that anyone who comes

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up with any counter argument
whatsoever knows That immunised

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Yeah, they're demonised airbrush
shouted down. It's amazing. I

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find I get the biggest kick out
of it. I think it's hilarious

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because the public I mean, we
post a lot of stuff on the blog

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about this. We have both sides
of it because we have, you know,

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we have an interesting round,
well rounded group of bloggers.

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But the funny thing is, is that
it always gets a bunch of

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comments because people are
guarded coming in out of the

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woodwork about this thing is a
scam. And then the other ones

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say, Well, yeah, and then there
you then you have the true

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believers. And you have these
two guys shouting at each other.

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But to tell you the truth, I
think the public is pretty much

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split down the middle on this
and a probably more on the side

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of sceptic being sceptics than
then being true believers. I

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think that's actually a
minority.

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I think it certainly warrants a
little bit more investigation or

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just a little bit more, because
there is, you know, there are

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some obvious questions. And
before we just continue with all

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of this taxation, and there's so
much tax every everything you

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do, you know, is there's a co2
tax on it. Like,

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I can't be right. co2 tax I love
it.

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Isn't. Isn't that true? That's
what it always boils down to co2

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tax. Okay.

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Your carbon footprint? Yeah,
that's my favourite one. I have

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been a nomenclature. Well,

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here's how that happened. I know
what happened there. What

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happened was they first the
carbon credits came into play,

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right? So you could buy carbon
offset your carbon usage. So to

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offset your carbon usage, of
course, you had to have a

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calculator. And there's a
million of these on the

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internet, that and they all give
you different answers, by the

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way that calculates your carbon
usage, ie your carbon footprint.

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I think that's the genealogy
there.

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Yeah. Yeah, that's the beauty. I
don't want to I consider myself

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fairly adept at at marketing
strategies, but this one here is

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way over. I mean, this one's
beyond this is almost like I

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actually ran into the woman who
did this by the web I student of

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marketing. And one of the things
I've always admired gold though

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it's now kind of missing is you
remember during the VCR days, it

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used to be this thing called VCR
plus oh,

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yeah, the in the newspaper,
you'd have a little scanner or a

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little code Yeah,

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because they figured that people
were too stupid to to programme

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their VCRs which was you know,
not a bad thought. And they

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decided to come up with this
these coded numbers that you

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could just take see it in the
newspaper, then you just punch

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it into your VCR and then it
would record that show. Because

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people were too dumb to put in
the time date and channel. Yeah,

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so So this thing became like a
licenced system on all these

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VCRs every VCR you know started
to get them and it was called

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VCR plus, and then the
newspapers all ran the numbers

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and it was amazing to me so I
finally tracked down the woman

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there was a woman who do dream
this whole concept up who is a

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marketing person and I had a lot
long chat with her because I

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admired basically just a
compliment for pulling off a

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spot like that because to me it
was like wow, how do you make

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that work? Because that's a lot
of work yeah. And

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it rolled out internationally
then there was all over the

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world they had that thing going

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Yeah, course it you know once
somebody you know I'm I don't

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know what it just died I think I
don't know what the licencing

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fees were I actually would like
to get a hold of her again to

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find out what she thinks
happened that that would kill it

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completely. It's gone. I think
what

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happened is, is there were there
were too many channels, too many

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cable and satellite channels
coming on board and you can

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there was no effective way to
get the information.

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It could be and but the whole
thing was it was a formula, you

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know, is the channel this and
that the other thing but anyway,

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I think it was also because I
think the Dish Network and re

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ended and DirecTV they all have
different channel numbers, so

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the numbers probably wouldn't
work. So how does that relate

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to? to That's what I think
that's where I think the same

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kind of thing with carbon
credits, carbon footprints. This

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is all a marketing scheme
because you know, this this Gore

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is part of a carbon tradings
company that, you know, trades

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your carbon credits for some how
I don't know how even how it

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works, but what it relates to is
the fact that you can manage a

444
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,690
worldwide marketing effort with
something that's just made out

445
00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:23,070
of thin air. I don't

446
00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:25,710
think it's management anymore. I
think, you know, these guys

447
00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:28,920
probably went holy crap. Look
what just happened? Of course,

448
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:31,860
you know, they may not have
first of all, I gotta believe Al

449
00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:34,470
Gore actually believes what he's
selling. And he looks like he

450
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:36,900
looks like he believes what he's
selling it so that's fine. And

451
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:37,230
it may be

452
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:41,340
good he should be. Yeah, you
have to be a true gotta be

453
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:41,790
believer.

454
00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:44,580
And I'm not I'm not saying I you
know that I'm not concerned. I'm

455
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:47,880
saying that I I'm not too sure.
And I don't see conclusive

456
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,550
evidence. I see a lot of other
noise that I'd like to

457
00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:54,000
investigate. Okay. So he
believes in it. But this took

458
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,420
off. It's almost like a self
fulfilling, fulfilling prophecy

459
00:24:57,420 --> 00:24:57,870
in a way

460
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,050
you know, I don't think so. I
you know, they Good, let's back

461
00:25:01,050 --> 00:25:06,000
up a minute. When he was running
for president in 2000, and even

462
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,450
when he was vice president under
Clinton, he I think he wrote

463
00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:12,840
some book when he was the vice
president just before he, you

464
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,610
know, this was like, this would
be a what, almost 20 years ago,

465
00:25:17,670 --> 00:25:23,160
he had started on this on this
road. With this, I could get it,

466
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,530
somebody can find it out, we can
look it up on the net. But this

467
00:25:25,530 --> 00:25:28,470
early book that he wrote was
pretty much all whack jobs

468
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:31,950
stuff. I remember critiques of
it back then about this guy's

469
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:32,910
crazy, right?

470
00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:35,400
Any review of any of his books,
maybe one of your columns.

471
00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:39,150
No, you know, I just remember it
was to deal with this stuff. It

472
00:25:39,150 --> 00:25:43,470
was just really old, early book
that was dead. He did when he

473
00:25:43,470 --> 00:25:45,960
was at fight, or when he was
running for vice president

474
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:52,830
initially, which would be 190.
What was that? 94? Yes. But

475
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:56,580
anyway, whatever the case is
balance. It goes back

476
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:58,320
ecology and human spirit.

477
00:25:59,009 --> 00:26:02,789
Maybe. But whatever the case
was, it's not like it happened

478
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:09,269
overnight. And so I'm thinking
1992, that book earthen value

479
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:13,499
92. Yeah. Well, there you have
it with me. That's a ways back

480
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:18,359
that much. Oh, yeah, 1516 years
ago. So it's not like this

481
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,449
happened overnight. This is a
long term strategy was very

482
00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:25,499
carefully orchestrated, which is
the way all good marketing

483
00:26:25,499 --> 00:26:27,989
schemes work. They don't, you
know, they always look like they

484
00:26:27,989 --> 00:26:30,689
am is like the overnight
success, you know, some

485
00:26:30,689 --> 00:26:34,829
apparatus, you find out they've
been doing this for 25 years.

486
00:26:34,859 --> 00:26:35,159
Yeah.

487
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:40,650
Now, that's, you're absolutely
right. But anyway, I think what

488
00:26:40,650 --> 00:26:45,360
they tried for a while is they
tried to set up some they tried

489
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:51,030
to make the carbon unit into
like a tradable commodity. It

490
00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:54,270
felt like, you know, so you
could trade your, the government

491
00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:56,430
started that you could trade
your carbon credits, well, we'll

492
00:26:56,430 --> 00:27:01,200
produce, you know, less carbon
this year, and China will sell

493
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,790
that to you for X, Y, and Z. And
I think they tried to bring that

494
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:09,330
into trading systems. And maybe
that's even done today. I don't

495
00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:09,600
know.

496
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:12,360
I think there is a trading
system out there. But the fact

497
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:15,090
of the matter is, if you think
about it, from some logical

498
00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:18,690
perspective, there's really
nothing to trade me it's just

499
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,950
all air. It's literally air.
There isn't. There isn't what

500
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:26,940
literally, it's it's like this,
if somebody looked at this from

501
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:31,530
a distance, they would say, how
silly you're trading? I mean,

502
00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:32,670
it's like crazy.

503
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:36,900
Well, no, crazy. Isn't the taxes
that are being put on on US

504
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,830
based on it?

505
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:43,830
No, the whole thing is nuts.
Yeah. Not you know, but like

506
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:46,080
I've said, you know, people if
they turn out, you know, I still

507
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:51,150
am dubious about the green thing
when I sit over here, on top of

508
00:27:51,150 --> 00:27:55,860
the hill, overlooking San
Francisco. And I see every night

509
00:27:55,860 --> 00:27:58,860
that cities lit up like a Roman
candle, thinking, you know, how

510
00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:02,670
serious are we about this, if
we're in that much trouble, turn

511
00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:09,240
off the lights in San Francisco
dark in the place? Well, just

512
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,480
turn them off, turn off the
entire city of San Francisco and

513
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,110
Los Angeles and Kansas City and
New York. And I guarantee that

514
00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:20,550
we'll be saving a lot of carbon.
And there's a lot do WE ARE WE

515
00:28:20,550 --> 00:28:24,510
serious about this? Are we just
joking? Is this just just a

516
00:28:24,510 --> 00:28:25,020
joke?

517
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,540
I don't know, man. I don't know.
I'll tell you one thing. We

518
00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:34,770
invaded Iraq. I'm sure you saw,
I'm sure you blogged when your

519
00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:38,190
guys blogged it that now all the
big oil companies are now

520
00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:41,190
finally after 30 years, they're
allowed to do business with

521
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:44,460
Iraq, and they're allowed to set
up oil fields. Yeah, no shit.

522
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,080
Oh, boy, isn't that great? Wow,
isn't that fantastic? We

523
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,810
installed the democratic
government and now we can do

524
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:55,260
contracts finally. So they're
all doing these deals. They're

525
00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:58,650
chopping it up exactly the way
the plans always show that had

526
00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:03,030
been available on the internet
for years. And and the prices

527
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:04,530
are still high. Go figure.

528
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:07,920
Well, that was so high because
of these traders in London and

529
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,770
Dubai ash, you know, yes,
exactly.

530
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:15,570
And they're not anyone, even the
European Commission, who I guess

531
00:29:15,570 --> 00:29:18,000
are kind of boss when it comes
to this said, Yeah, we should go

532
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120
look at that. Because that's not
right. And we should look at we

533
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:29,490
should have a report done by
October 2008. A report? Yeah. So

534
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,850
then be discussed. Yeah. It's
like going to discuss the report

535
00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:35,760
in November. It's like, we need
action now.

536
00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:39,240
And then the Irish will vote
against it. You know,

537
00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:43,410
since you brought it up. Of
course, that's the that's the

538
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:48,720
hottest topic in Europe is the
Lisbon Treaty. And I've been

539
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,980
thinking about this about the
whole idea of a referendum which

540
00:29:52,980 --> 00:29:56,790
is interesting, and I've been
looking looking into it and in

541
00:29:56,790 --> 00:30:00,630
America, certainly some states,
California, most notably I have

542
00:30:00,630 --> 00:30:04,080
a lot of different ways that you
can call a public referendum.

543
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,220
And which is known as I guess,
direct democracy. But that's

544
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:12,330
kind of interesting, you know,
when in these days of text

545
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:16,290
voting for your favourite
American Idol or X Factor or

546
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:20,910
kicking someone out of the Big
Brother house. That's an

547
00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:23,880
interesting solution to change.

548
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,810
Ya know, in California, you can
get put a petition together and

549
00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:30,270
then get just about anything you
want put on the ballot,

550
00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:32,580
I say like a proposition. Is
that what it's called, then?

551
00:30:33,090 --> 00:30:33,570
Yeah, it'd be

552
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:36,330
a bribe. Well, that's the way it
ends up. Yeah. But the exact,

553
00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,790
you know, I think I have to
think about I think it is a

554
00:30:38,790 --> 00:30:40,380
referendum or something like
that.

555
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:44,550
I don't think we I don't think
we take advantage of probably

556
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:48,030
the multitude of possibilities
that a referendum offers,

557
00:30:48,390 --> 00:30:50,970
or they believe me in
California, they take advantage

558
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:53,700
of all of it. I mean, the the
number of petitioners you gotta

559
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,340
get is pretty high, which is the
problem, but they're trying

560
00:30:56,340 --> 00:30:58,890
everything. I mean, they've had
anti gay marriage, they had the

561
00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:01,380
prior, you know, that
proposition 104, some years ago,

562
00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:05,130
when they froze all property
taxes, and that's still in play.

563
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:07,530
And there's a whole bunch of
stuff, they've done it, most of

564
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:09,540
the stuff gets voted down.
That's

565
00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:12,090
why do you think, what do you
think most of the guys noted

566
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:13,710
down? Well, because some

567
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,400
tends to be confused. Most of
this stuff gets voted down,

568
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,610
because it's, it's always
written in a confusing language.

569
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:23,730
So you California's or, you
know, we see these things, so

570
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:26,850
much these these these
propositions, that we're always

571
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:28,650
sceptical about being tricked,

572
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,010
which is exactly the problem
with this is interesting. That's

573
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:36,000
exactly what like 40% of the
Iris said, Said, I voted no,

574
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,310
because I felt like I was
getting tricked. Because it was

575
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:40,170
too complicated. How interesting
is that?

576
00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:43,260
Yeah, well, it that's one of the
problems that you have with

577
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:46,140
these things. They have to be
simplified, and they have to

578
00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:48,090
make sense. And then they have
to have a bunch of people on

579
00:31:48,090 --> 00:31:50,490
board. And then you have to
worry about people who, you

580
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:52,770
know, that are against them,
because they're vested

581
00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:56,550
interests. And so they'll run TV
ads that will try to make you

582
00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:59,010
think you're being tricked, or
they are, they will tell you to

583
00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,790
do one thing and hope that you
do another as it gets pretty. It

584
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:05,610
gets pretty intense. So 90% of
the time that people just vote

585
00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:09,450
no. And then the people go back
to the drawing board. Some of

586
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:12,210
these things keep coming back
over and over and over again.

587
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:16,320
Interesting. Well, I found out
that in the Lisbon Treaty,

588
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,050
there's actually something
called the European Citizens

589
00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:22,410
Initiative. And that was it's
one of the differences between

590
00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:24,780
the original Constitution of
Europe which got voted down by

591
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,690
the French and the Dutch. And
it's turned into the Lisbon

592
00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:31,650
Treaty is there as a method, and
of course, the language is so

593
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,530
fricking ambiguous that I think
that's where they fuck that up.

594
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,010
If you have a million
signatures, and of course,

595
00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:40,350
doesn't specify if that's
written signatures, or

596
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:43,530
electronic signatures, etc. If
you have a million of them from

597
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:48,060
Enough, enough significant
member states, which of course

598
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:54,240
is not defined, then you can put
legislation before the European

599
00:32:55,050 --> 00:32:59,850
Commission, who then can
ultimate A No, no, that you can

600
00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:02,640
invite. That's the language, you
can invite the European

601
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,050
Commission to put a legislative
move towards European parliament

602
00:33:07,050 --> 00:33:10,320
where a vote will be would be
taken, which I think is a pretty

603
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,170
good move, except for the whole
invited bit. It's like it

604
00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:15,630
shouldn't be an invite. It
should be, you know, like a

605
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:19,800
mandatory. But it's it's an
interesting move just in.

606
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:23,640
Yeah, it sounds pretty, right.
It sounds pretty wimpy. For one

607
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,160
thing, a million signatures has
got to be a problem. No,

608
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:29,070
that's easy. I think that's
really easy. Well, yeah, if

609
00:33:29,070 --> 00:33:31,200
it was electronic, it would be
but what if you have to actually

610
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,600
people sign things and then
check. One of the things they do

611
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,760
here is that they actually go
over that, you know, it has to

612
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,000
be signed thing, and then you
have to do a check and

613
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,540
Johnny, here's where I got them.
Here's where I got them. The

614
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:47,010
Eurovision Song Contest, which
is a European Union initiative

615
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,830
has been since the inception of
the European Union. And I think

616
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:54,750
1950 is done by SMS text voting.
So if it's legal enough for the

617
00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:58,740
Eurovision Song Contest, then
surely it's legal allow for the

618
00:33:58,770 --> 00:33:59,610
Lisbon Treaty.

619
00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:03,600
I don't know about I mean,
what's what's legal about the

620
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,440
Song Contest is just a you know,
it's just a TV entertainment

621
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,670
show. Yeah, but like if anyone's
legally binding, you know, or

622
00:34:11,670 --> 00:34:13,560
anything that would be it's

623
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:18,449
a huge economic impulse if if
you get if you win the contest,

624
00:34:18,449 --> 00:34:20,789
and it's like the Olympics and
the contest is in your country

625
00:34:20,789 --> 00:34:23,399
next year? I mean, it's all
bullshit. I'm not. I'm not

626
00:34:23,399 --> 00:34:26,489
defending the Eurovision Song
Contest. I'm just saying that. I

627
00:34:26,489 --> 00:34:27,539
think there's an argument to be

628
00:34:27,539 --> 00:34:31,799
made say that they allow you
voting that the EU would fall

629
00:34:31,799 --> 00:34:37,499
apart if they allowed text
messaging petitions, because

630
00:34:37,499 --> 00:34:39,569
people would be petitioning him
for everything because you could

631
00:34:39,569 --> 00:34:41,969
get by Yeah, you could probably
get if you get on television for

632
00:34:41,969 --> 00:34:45,389
10 minutes you could probably
you know, initiate something.

633
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:49,890
Yeah, I'm liking that. is my
point. I'm liking that. That

634
00:34:49,890 --> 00:34:52,290
sounds like a good idea. Of
course, didn't have nothing but

635
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,420
100 petitions a month.

636
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,219
Yeah, you're right is probably
pretty funny. It would be great

637
00:34:59,279 --> 00:34:59,969
but does not yet.

638
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,940
To remember, you have to do it
from significant number of

639
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:04,650
member states. So that may mean,

640
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,800
again, you know, is it mean 10?
Doesn't mean all of them? What

641
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,950
if it means only one person from
each one? I mean, do you can you

642
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:15,750
have like a million or 999,000?
From, you know, one country and

643
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:19,230
then 10 from here and 10 from
there and 10 from here, and then

644
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:21,180
from there, that would be all?

645
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:24,390
Yeah, there's a one proposal
that's out there for what they

646
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:26,940
call the fundamentals, it would
have to be from a minimum of

647
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:29,520
four member states, which
probably means for different

648
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
languages for different
campaigns, not trivial, you

649
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,040
know, you do have to put some
effort behind it to get it done.

650
00:35:37,139 --> 00:35:39,629
But I think it should be it
should be possible, you know.

651
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,169
There's a lot of people doing it
already, you know, there's

652
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,450
they're treating it as law
already. And they're putting

653
00:35:48,450 --> 00:35:52,470
together all kinds of campaigns
for trying to get their million

654
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:53,250
signatures.

655
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:59,639
I think you're overlooking
something. Okay. You're

656
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:05,159
overlooking the fact that the EU
is created to, to, to kind of

657
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,599
repurpose Europe as a fascist
state. Not so they can be pushed

658
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,069
around by the public.

659
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,870
And I posed that exact language
to a minister of European

660
00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:18,660
Parliament earlier this week.
And I said, a colleague of mine

661
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:21,300
in the United States says it
sounded like a fascist state

662
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:25,770
takeover. And his his literal
answer was, I wouldn't want to

663
00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:33,000
go that far. Which I thought was
pretty funny. I like okay. But

664
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,760
it's, I don't know. I mean, I'm
looking at both sides of this.

665
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,030
And it's it's to me, it's just
absolutely fascinating. I am

666
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:42,000
discovering that I'm, I'm a
closet politics junkie. It's

667
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:45,540
particularly these days where
you can download anything read

668
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:49,980
any any parliament member or
Commission's member speeches,

669
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:53,430
voting records, you know, it's
fascinating to look at this

670
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:53,910
stuff.

671
00:36:56,159 --> 00:37:01,559
Yeah, well, when you're in the
gulag, I hopefully have a

672
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:03,119
connection, we can still do the
show.

673
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:05,489
Let me just mention one more
thing, and I'll get off of the

674
00:37:05,489 --> 00:37:09,389
topic is this is kind of funny.
So after Ireland voted no, in

675
00:37:09,389 --> 00:37:13,139
the referendum, obviously,
politically, just to keep the

676
00:37:13,139 --> 00:37:17,519
vibe alive, Gordon Brown, the
Prime Minister of the UK had to

677
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,909
get this thing ratified. In the
house of parliament, you know,

678
00:37:20,969 --> 00:37:24,239
in order to save any kind of
face, of course, it being in

679
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,109
close proximity to Ireland, etc.
So they ramrodded this through

680
00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:32,069
the Queen signed her, put her
signature on it, which means the

681
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:35,819
Roy now has royal assent. And
they're acting like it's all

682
00:37:35,819 --> 00:37:38,669
been ratified, but it hasn't,
because there's this guy, this,

683
00:37:38,969 --> 00:37:42,899
he calls himself a Euro sceptic,
Stuart Wheeler, you gotta look

684
00:37:42,899 --> 00:37:48,179
this guy up. He's 72. He was, at
one point, very wealthy from

685
00:37:48,179 --> 00:37:51,749
business that he had done. But
He is suing the government. He's

686
00:37:51,749 --> 00:37:54,629
suing Gordon Brown and the
government over the fact that

687
00:37:54,629 --> 00:37:59,699
they promised to hold a
referendum on the constitutional

688
00:37:59,699 --> 00:38:04,109
document of the European Union.
And, and the court actually

689
00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:09,239
wrote a letter to the Parliament
said, you know, you don't really

690
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,749
think it, I'm paraphrasing, but
really strong language, like,

691
00:38:12,779 --> 00:38:17,129
please don't really think that
you're just going to ratify this

692
00:38:17,129 --> 00:38:20,279
treaty, without the court's
decision, whether it's legal or

693
00:38:20,279 --> 00:38:23,369
not to have done this without a
referendum. And that I think, is

694
00:38:23,399 --> 00:38:25,799
highly interesting. And I'm
really liking the Stewart

695
00:38:25,799 --> 00:38:27,209
Wheeler guy for doing that.

696
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,220
He's my hero.

697
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,029
And you see, like, 72 He's like,
fuck it. I'm just gonna sue

698
00:38:33,029 --> 00:38:36,569
these guys in and everyone's
everyone's Pooh poohing it. But

699
00:38:36,569 --> 00:38:39,119
why would not be a freak out? If
the court said, You know what,

700
00:38:39,419 --> 00:38:41,819
it's illegal. You have to do a
referendum in the UK.

701
00:38:43,469 --> 00:38:44,519
What do you think would happen?

702
00:38:45,389 --> 00:38:48,299
Well, I think it would be voted
down immediately in current

703
00:38:48,299 --> 00:38:50,999
status. And you know, this,
this, look, what it boils down

704
00:38:50,999 --> 00:38:54,629
to is exactly what you said,
everyone's sceptic, everybody

705
00:38:54,629 --> 00:38:57,989
loves Europe. Everyone in Europe
is into the whole thing. We like

706
00:38:57,989 --> 00:39:01,019
working with each other. We like
playing soccer against each

707
00:39:01,019 --> 00:39:04,109
other football, if you will. We
like going each other's

708
00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:07,019
countries and doing business and
all that stuff is great. And we

709
00:39:07,019 --> 00:39:09,449
see all the benefits, but we
don't trust these fuckers you

710
00:39:09,449 --> 00:39:13,319
know, it's a it's a bunch of
legal speak, no one understands

711
00:39:13,319 --> 00:39:15,869
what it's about. Everyone's
running around as 1000s of these

712
00:39:15,869 --> 00:39:18,959
guys, they sit in Brussels, they
sit in Strasbourg, they, you

713
00:39:18,959 --> 00:39:21,989
know, it's like we didn't elect
them. You know, it's

714
00:39:22,019 --> 00:39:26,129
distrustful. So there's a, you
know, somehow someone has to

715
00:39:26,129 --> 00:39:29,789
figure out how to turn all of
that scepticism into a positive

716
00:39:29,789 --> 00:39:33,479
pro Europe positioning we're
feeling I guess, and

717
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,830
how about this is something I'm
not quite getting? You know,

718
00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:40,260
they are they've already taken
down it throughout Europe, you

719
00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:43,050
can travel from one country to
another pretty effortlessly.

720
00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:43,830
There's no more though.

721
00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:46,710
Excuse me, excuse me, except for
the countries who have a

722
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:50,850
protocol. So the United Kingdom
had a specific protocol when

723
00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:53,430
they joined, which is another
thing that pisses me off. And

724
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:55,770
they said, Yeah, we'll
participate in Europe, but we

725
00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:58,590
don't none of that let everyone
travel around shit. We only let

726
00:39:58,590 --> 00:39:59,970
people in that we want to let in

727
00:40:01,350 --> 00:40:04,350
Well, I don't blame him for
that. But anyway, so But

728
00:40:04,350 --> 00:40:08,370
generally speaking, once you get
to the continent, you can freely

729
00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:10,770
go from country to country to
country without, you know, the

730
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:15,150
kind of until you get out of the
EU, you know? Yeah, you don't

731
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:17,370
need a passport, you don't need
to, you know, they don't you're

732
00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:20,370
not stopped at every border on
the on the train with some guy

733
00:40:20,370 --> 00:40:23,070
coming in looking at everything
in your papers, please, you

734
00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:26,310
know, and then you know stamp in
your passport

735
00:40:26,339 --> 00:40:28,889
left and right. And you could
use the same money everywhere.

736
00:40:28,919 --> 00:40:31,049
On the other hand, the money has
been been

737
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,850
normalised pretty much. And so
and there are trade agreements

738
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:40,020
are in place, what what would
what's wrong with just stopping

739
00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:43,260
where you are right now and just
going with it, as opposed to

740
00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:45,630
adding, you know, this
bureaucratic overhead? I don't

741
00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:48,360
know, getting why all this other
stuff even has to be passed?

742
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,590
It's done most of it,

743
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,039
I can give you the answer. Good,
because that question has been

744
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,619
posed directly. And here's the
answer that Barrasso the

745
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:58,529
president current President
gives, He says, it's for

746
00:40:58,529 --> 00:41:03,839
immigration policy. So who do we
let inside the borders of the

747
00:41:03,869 --> 00:41:06,269
EU? Because of course, now you
have a whole bunch of entry

748
00:41:06,269 --> 00:41:11,219
points. It's about terrorism and
safety. There you go. Big hit

749
00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:16,499
words. So how do we protect the
EU from terrorism, and it's

750
00:41:16,499 --> 00:41:20,639
about financial stability, which
is, of course, the central

751
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,879
banking and where a lot of the
distrust is right now. So it's

752
00:41:23,909 --> 00:41:29,519
for those Oh, and of course, the
universal human rights. And

753
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:31,079
that's what it's about. It's
about those.

754
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:35,550
So let's go over these dis dis
issues. Let's start with the so

755
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:39,510
right now, anyone who wants to
come into the EU is a free pass.

756
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:41,880
Is that what they're saying that
they're worried about? I mean,

757
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,900
right now, if I'm a terrorist
coming out of Pakistan, let's

758
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:50,880
say from the from an al Qaeda
camp, I can go move right now

759
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,130
and to Hamburg. Just what
effortlessly?

760
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,110
No, I think what they're saying
is that there are

761
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:58,800
inconsistencies every country
has his own policy is own

762
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:03,150
security and anti terrorism
measures. They want to harmonise

763
00:42:03,150 --> 00:42:05,580
all of that. So everyone's
working off the same playbook.

764
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:09,870
So yes, I think that you can
easily enter one country or

765
00:42:10,170 --> 00:42:14,190
Look, dude, I can fly from
almost anywhere and land almost

766
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:18,480
anywhere and get in. Okay, it's
all kind of academic anyway. But

767
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:20,700
you think you can fly in from
Pakistan?

768
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,990
Yeah, I think well, yeah, I
think these things are booked.

769
00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,900
It's not hard to get into any
country. If unless, you know,

770
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:29,820
unless you're going through the
main airport. Yeah, it's gonna

771
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:32,010
be a little more complicated.
But that's really what it's

772
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:35,430
about. It's about harmonisation.
About each country having, you

773
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:38,790
know, it's all about databases
to John, it's all about sharing

774
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:41,520
the information, which is a huge
point, no one wants, you know,

775
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,880
their government to share, you
know, their, their, the personal

776
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,190
data of their citizens with
other countries yet, and you

777
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:48,930
know, unless they really
understand what's being done

778
00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:52,710
with it. That's what it is, you
know, it's all about, in a way,

779
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,670
locking down the global borders
of Europe. That is certainly one

780
00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:59,670
of it. And I can see where if
you want to have that kind of

781
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,770
unify uniform protection, you've
got to have, you've got to set

782
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:07,650
it up. And it's got to be legal.

783
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:10,950
So I wonder if Martha Stewart
can get into Paris.

784
00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:15,930
But I'm sure that she will.
Who's the member? The

785
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,400
photographer was the filmmaker
who married the 13 year old.

786
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,010
What was his name? The American.

787
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:28,200
Roman Polanski. Yeah, by the
way, I would recommend before

788
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,040
even talking about Roman
Polanski. Anybody out there to

789
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,540
find a copy of the documentary
that had just been finished

790
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:37,920
about this case.

791
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,180
I heard you talking about that.
Somewhere. It was on a twit.

792
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,100
Again. Yeah. No, I don't. Yes.
Well, yes. The technology show.

793
00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:47,610
Yes.

794
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Whatever the case is. I would
recommend people watch this

795
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,520
before they make any comment
because it turns out to be a

796
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,310
little more interesting story
then we're led to believe. Yeah,

797
00:43:59,370 --> 00:44:03,270
anyway, but the point you Yeah,
but he wasn't you know, is it so

798
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:06,210
the answer is yes. I think it's
easier to get into one country

799
00:44:06,210 --> 00:44:08,580
depending Yeah, I think Martha
Stewart could probably get into

800
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:11,760
Amsterdam. No problem. She could
jump in the back of my plane.

801
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:13,590
I'd land that bitch right here.
No,

802
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:16,140
she couldn't jump in the back of
your plane because you're taking

803
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:20,790
off from England. No, I be in
Amsterdam. Totally. And they go

804
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:23,220
over so you could fly her in if
you if

805
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:26,700
absolutely absolutely not a
problem.

806
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:30,000
So maybe that's what she should
have done. She should have

807
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,280
gotten her she should have just
gone to to France instead of

808
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,960
England directly. Got

809
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:42,149
schonell No big no, no. Because
it remember England has their

810
00:44:42,149 --> 00:44:44,729
own protocol they get to deny
who you get

811
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:47,130
to okay but she could fly in on
your plane it would

812
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:50,790
be illegal but she could get in
that's my point. Okay, it would

813
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:52,320
it would not be illegal process.

814
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:56,670
So you when you fly into England
on that little plane to yours

815
00:44:56,670 --> 00:45:00,660
you don't check into anything
you just fly in yet. Adam

816
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:03,660
Carolla landing in a new land.
And

817
00:45:04,109 --> 00:45:07,859
I'm glad you asked No, you have
to as one of the, in fact the

818
00:45:07,859 --> 00:45:10,169
only country in the union, you
have to fill out what's known as

819
00:45:10,169 --> 00:45:13,829
a Gen deck a Gen declaration,
and you have to send that in 24

820
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:19,619
hours before the actual flight
takes play, the inbound flight

821
00:45:19,619 --> 00:45:22,319
takes place. Now you can land at
any number of airports where

822
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:25,079
they have passport control. So
if you'd you know, 10 minutes

823
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,509
from where I usually land is
Biggin Hill, you land there, you

824
00:45:27,509 --> 00:45:29,699
show your passport, and then you
can go wherever you want, you

825
00:45:29,699 --> 00:45:32,759
can take off again, fly anywhere
you want in the UK. So if you

826
00:45:32,759 --> 00:45:37,049
have a field that doesn't have
passport facilities, like

827
00:45:37,049 --> 00:45:40,169
fairoaks, where would I the one
that I use? You fill out the

828
00:45:40,169 --> 00:45:43,499
general declaration, you send it
off the tower, fax it to the

829
00:45:43,499 --> 00:45:46,439
authorities, but dude, you know,
it's like, you know, it's not

830
00:45:46,439 --> 00:45:49,829
like they're there. By the way,
they are there often to check.

831
00:45:50,369 --> 00:45:53,159
But certainly not every single
time. I mean, on a Friday or

832
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:55,469
Saturday, yeah, they're almost
always there. Because that's

833
00:45:55,469 --> 00:45:57,599
when everyone's going off to
France and coming back and

834
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,779
forth. And they're checking all
kinds of things. But during the

835
00:46:00,779 --> 00:46:03,479
week now, I've never, never had
anyone check on me.

836
00:46:05,369 --> 00:46:07,289
So you could so Martha should
get a hold of you.

837
00:46:07,830 --> 00:46:11,640
No, no, absolutely not. So then
there's the other one, John,

838
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:14,820
tear it. So it all comes down to
I think really, the financial

839
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:17,520
one is the main one, it's all
about the European Central Bank.

840
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:22,560
You know, it's all about the
numbers, keeping inflation in

841
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:28,830
check, keeping that, you know,
your the GDP numbers in check.

842
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:31,650
They're all set targets have
been that way for many, many

843
00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:35,670
years. So everyone, you know, so
all the EU countries are trying

844
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:40,440
to keep their, their economies
balanced. And that's what it's

845
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,690
about. And it's not a bad thing.
You know?

846
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,899
Yeah, no, it's not a bad thing.
If except for the fact that, you

847
00:46:45,899 --> 00:46:48,089
know, I don't think that the
German should be telling the

848
00:46:48,089 --> 00:46:51,209
French how to make cheese. So
let's back go back to this

849
00:46:51,209 --> 00:46:55,139
Martha Stewart thing has nothing
to do with cheese. It does. And

850
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:58,319
when it boils down, I guarantee
cheese is going to be involved.

851
00:46:58,769 --> 00:47:02,579
So let's get back to the Martha
Stewart thing. Martha Stewart

852
00:47:02,579 --> 00:47:05,429
has come up in the news anyway,
why didn't Martha just fly to

853
00:47:05,429 --> 00:47:09,059
France? without making a big?
What did she do? You don't need

854
00:47:09,059 --> 00:47:11,849
a visa. I mean, I can fly to
England. I can get on a plane

855
00:47:11,849 --> 00:47:14,129
tomorrow. And boom, I'm in
London. And that's the way I

856
00:47:14,129 --> 00:47:18,629
stamped the thing when you walk
in. And while I'm sorry. She

857
00:47:18,629 --> 00:47:22,169
goes to France. And she's there
floating around for a few days.

858
00:47:22,169 --> 00:47:24,659
And she gets on the channel and
she goes to England. And then

859
00:47:24,659 --> 00:47:27,239
she comes in and they see her
and they say oh, yeah, my Bombay

860
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,119
stat. I mean, I don't it seems
to me that somewhere along the

861
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,999
line, she announced she was
coming in, some bureaucrat

862
00:47:32,999 --> 00:47:38,729
picked up on and then they put
put her on the no entry list. I

863
00:47:38,729 --> 00:47:41,759
mean, she didn't think she was
bumping against the border. It

864
00:47:41,759 --> 00:47:43,889
wasn't happening when she was
trying to get into it. It

865
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:46,469
happened before she even tried
to fly.

866
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:49,230
That's very interesting. That's
very interesting. Well, it

867
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:53,550
sounds like she tried to acquire
a visa. Why you don't need a

868
00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:56,220
visa? Well, no, hold on a second
there. There is a lot of shit

869
00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:59,190
going on with the visas right
now. Because the US there is a

870
00:47:59,190 --> 00:48:02,820
visa issue there is in the visa
issue. I'm not quite sure what

871
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:07,140
it is. But the US now has is
demanding that anyone who comes

872
00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:13,650
into the US has to have a
passport and you know, a new

873
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:19,290
machine readable passport. And
what they're saying now is or

874
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:22,320
with the request is what I've
seen at the European Union

875
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:27,540
level, is they want all European
Union countries to reciprocate.

876
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:30,450
And that's when the visa issue
goes away. But there is a visa

877
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,470
visa issue in some cases. But
you're right. But I would say

878
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:37,590
you're probably right. Why the
hell is she raising the visa

879
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:40,230
issue before she even flew?
Because typically, you wouldn't

880
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:42,480
even think of he just got on the
plane that you go, right.

881
00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:45,899
Yeah. Yeah, Something's fishy
about the story. No,

882
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:49,590
no, I know how it would happen.
So here's here's what happened.

883
00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:54,150
She booked a plane ticket.
Right? The airlines are obliged.

884
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:57,810
Now, I'm sure you know this to
send all passenger data to the

885
00:48:57,810 --> 00:48:59,880
United States prior to the
flight.

886
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,630
Right. This is the Yeah, in
fact, I've written about this on

887
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:06,600
the blog. And they've actually
added some new providers were

888
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,770
essentially very similar to the
way it was in the Soviet Union.

889
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:14,400
Where there's you can't get out
of the country without you know,

890
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,780
permission. It's almost you
know, it's an exit kind of

891
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:28,530
situation. You know, we have
exit restrictions now. Wow. In

892
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:31,620
fact, there's two articles on
the blog that ran this on

893
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:35,910
Saturday or Sunday. Let me read
you the this the headline,

894
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:39,600
dude, we are so living in a
science fiction movie. Well,

895
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,400
I mean, it's just the Soviet
Union. It was the same way

896
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,910
people get to just get used to
it. Starting today, you may not

897
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:48,360
travel around the country, or
even go around the country as an

898
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,460
anonymous American any more.
Americans would prefer to fly

899
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:56,160
without showing ID will be
turned away by airport security

900
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,350
beginning June 21. Blah, blah,
blah. New Policy blah, blah,

901
00:50:01,350 --> 00:50:06,960
blah. And then we get the Martha
thing, which is a exit control.

902
00:50:06,990 --> 00:50:07,830
Yeah. You know what?

903
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:11,250
I'm sorry. Do you have an
article very? Well, no,

904
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:14,160
I'm just saying Martha Stewart's
thing was I claim as this

905
00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:17,340
version of exit control, which
is what you had in the Soviet

906
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:19,560
Union. That's why people
couldn't get out of the country,

907
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:23,040
and also instal the fascist
countries have had exit

908
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,980
controls, which I suspect to
eventually have it with the EU,

909
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:29,250
where you can't leave the EU,
your way you can go to you can

910
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:32,220
go through the EU, but you won't
be able to leave it. And

911
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:34,140
without, you know, having to
write papers.

912
00:50:34,229 --> 00:50:39,269
You'll love this one, John. So
this is from the Surrey times,

913
00:50:39,449 --> 00:50:44,879
okay, so Surrey is the what do
you call it is the part of

914
00:50:44,879 --> 00:50:48,749
England where where we live, and
mobile device that can be used

915
00:50:48,749 --> 00:50:51,659
to check the identity of
suspects stopped by the police

916
00:50:51,689 --> 00:50:54,869
is set to be tested in Surrey
police officers across the

917
00:50:54,869 --> 00:50:57,869
country, we'll be using handheld
fingerprinting units as part of

918
00:50:57,869 --> 00:51:02,759
a national pilot scheme known as
lantern. So what this thing is,

919
00:51:03,389 --> 00:51:06,179
is you can get you'll get
stopped on the street, or a

920
00:51:06,179 --> 00:51:09,539
traffic stop or whatever. It's
an electronic fingerprint

921
00:51:09,539 --> 00:51:13,079
reader. And of course, the
article misses the whole point,

922
00:51:13,139 --> 00:51:16,469
they say, Well, you know, so now
all of a sudden, your

923
00:51:16,469 --> 00:51:19,109
fingerprint will be taken, and
then you'll be scanned. And then

924
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:21,809
if you're wanted for anything,
then they nab you. But of

925
00:51:21,809 --> 00:51:24,509
course, the point is, and they
even say it here, hold on, I

926
00:51:24,509 --> 00:51:29,159
should read this. The mobile
fingerprinting units work by

927
00:51:29,189 --> 00:51:32,669
electronically scanning offended
fingerprint, which is sent using

928
00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:36,599
encrypted wireless transmissions
to a database from their

929
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,089
fingerprints can be cross
matched against the seven half

930
00:51:39,089 --> 00:51:42,389
million prints held on file. So
the thing that they neglect to

931
00:51:42,389 --> 00:51:44,849
point out here is of course that
your fingerprint has just been

932
00:51:44,849 --> 00:51:46,169
scanned and it's on file.

933
00:51:47,909 --> 00:51:49,829
Yeah, right. So get make sure
you can get everybody's

934
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:51,569
fingerprints on the in the
system.

935
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,510
But how did that but that's like
science fiction, dude. There's

936
00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:55,320
like, I'm surprised

937
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,900
I'm not taking the DNA from
people as they walk by, you

938
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:59,850
know, they can just stick a
thing in your mouth.

939
00:52:02,130 --> 00:52:05,700
That's happened to place two
babies damage taken the baby's

940
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:10,350
DNA. We already talked about
this weeks ago. Yeah, newborn

941
00:52:10,350 --> 00:52:12,810
baby's DNA. First thing has done
is it's taken putting in and

942
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:14,730
database has been happening for
decades.

943
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,430
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, this
is just part of the whole, I

944
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:24,660
don't know, what the what is,
what the point is, to be honest

945
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:27,630
about it. I mean, control
issues, obviously are part of

946
00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:30,390
it. I mean, it's like the exit
controls. I mean, you just don't

947
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:34,680
want people rolling around. But
I don't see what it's how it's

948
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,560
beneficial to the economy or
anything. It doesn't does some

949
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:39,420
other thing going on here.

950
00:52:39,449 --> 00:52:42,989
Well, isn't it well, okay, so
the conspiracy theorists, they

951
00:52:42,989 --> 00:52:45,929
may says, Well, of course, it's
to keep you afraid and keep you

952
00:52:47,789 --> 00:52:48,569
diligent?

953
00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:51,990
Well, maybe it should easily
keep you voting for the right

954
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:55,950
party. You know, I've always
believed that half of these

955
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:58,770
things, these these, all the
surveillance stuff is

956
00:52:58,770 --> 00:53:03,720
essentially, to me, what it
always boils down to is not for

957
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:08,760
anything other than control. So
you have, you know, you can see

958
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,280
who your political enemies are,
it'd be very easy to do if you

959
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,800
can, if you can, now they have
this new thing that just passed,

960
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,370
which is that they the US
government was requiring all the

961
00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:20,640
credit card companies to turn
over all the data, another

962
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,550
result of the purchases you make
Chris's will drive people back

963
00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:27,810
into cash, which is probably
better anyway. Anyway, they say

964
00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:30,420
take this, we blog, this one,
too. I just I think I'm getting

965
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:31,350
pretty depressed here.

966
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,980
Sound like my wife, she's like,
Would you please stop with I

967
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:37,710
don't want to hear about it
anymore. Stop, stop, stop. Like,

968
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:41,160
I don't want to be afraid of the
future. And you

969
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,040
know, the funny thing is, is I
remember I was at a direct

970
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,310
marketing conference once and
they need the head at the time

971
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:52,650
of Federal Express. made the
comment he says, you know, we

972
00:53:52,650 --> 00:53:56,010
have all this data, we can
pretty much put a dossier

973
00:53:56,010 --> 00:53:59,790
together on anybody and then
tell you who they're sleeping

974
00:53:59,790 --> 00:54:03,000
with, you know, if they have an
affair going on. And then you

975
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,030
know, the because the data is
just such that you can you can

976
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:09,180
do with data mining technology,
you can figure out what people

977
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:12,840
are up to Federal Express who
said this? Yeah, the guy Federal

978
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,470
Express said,

979
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:17,730
but we don't do know right now.
God, I'd hate to do that. But

980
00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:20,340
he says it's really he said,
it'd be very easy to do if you

981
00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:24,180
wanted to, I mean, they do
certain kinds of profiling. I've

982
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:27,090
mentioned this before, I think
on this show, which is they

983
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,000
profile you're expending. And
it's always amazing to me,

984
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,820
because when I tried like all of
a sudden I'll show up in Korea,

985
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:35,670
and you know, in the computer
sees Well, this is interesting,

986
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,430
and they started to track me.
And so when I was in Korea, this

987
00:54:38,430 --> 00:54:41,010
last time I did two purchases in
a row that one of them was a

988
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:44,670
little sketchy. So they froze
it, and then they will open the

989
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:47,820
account up, you know, shortly
thereafter, but they're always

990
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:51,180
worried. You know, they look for
certain patterns that they think

991
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:54,420
are suspicious and I've
challenged people to do this.

992
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:58,560
And people have written me back
saying they they've done it and

993
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,890
it does work and it's the
Following process, you take your

994
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:06,840
American Express card. And then
you go and buy two tanks of gas

995
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:12,150
in a row with two separate two
separate, you know, purchases by

996
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:15,570
two separate purchases right in
a row one than another. And then

997
00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:19,320
you go to a locker or a
footlocker or someplace and buy

998
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,360
a pair of Nikes and an iPod,
your car, or that would probably

999
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,420
do it too. It doesn't take much,
but then your cart is deaf is

1000
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:30,930
frozen right there. And then the
guy from Federal Express

1001
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:34,050
actually is the one who told
this group about this particular

1002
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:37,440
process. And he says it's, you
know, what it is, is that as

1003
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,040
soon as somebody steals a card,
like especially a kid, the first

1004
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,080
thing they do is they fill up
their tank, and then they fill

1005
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,870
up their friend's French tank.
Yeah, of course. And then they

1006
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:50,730
go bites tennis shoes, he says
is a standard pattern. Yeah. So

1007
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,670
people have actually done this.
And oh, well, I mean,

1008
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:57,150
look, look at your, I'm sure you
have a Costco card or something

1009
00:55:57,150 --> 00:55:59,910
like that, you know, they're
totally giving you the biggest

1010
00:55:59,910 --> 00:56:04,380
discounts on buying stuff that
you know that you want that and

1011
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:07,230
they're totally locking you in,
those guys have more data on you

1012
00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:08,430
than Federal Express.

1013
00:56:09,929 --> 00:56:12,659
Well, Costco, you have to use a
credit card generally mean you

1014
00:56:12,659 --> 00:56:13,139
you because you're

1015
00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:16,080
talking about the incentive
cards, you know, the membership

1016
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,660
cards, stuff that you get
special discounts if you

1017
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:23,400
card there, I think you've but
here's the point. If the US

1018
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,850
government now is requiring all
these credit card companies to

1019
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:31,230
give them all their data, well,
you've got a powerful, very

1020
00:56:31,260 --> 00:56:34,680
profiling anybody you can tell
what party they're voting for.

1021
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,280
You can tell what stock they're
buying. You can you really see a

1022
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,210
lot of what they're up to, and
then you can use it for for, you

1023
00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:43,230
know, crowd control.

1024
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:45,570
So surely our credit card
companies are denying this

1025
00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:46,560
request. Oh,

1026
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,710
no, they're in and, you know,
they're all over it, and it's no

1027
00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:50,220
problem.

1028
00:56:50,609 --> 00:56:53,699
They're gonna hand it over.
Really? Yeah. Well, you

1029
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:57,630
know, the government wants it
you do it. The just like the

1030
00:56:57,630 --> 00:57:00,360
latest thing they just got house
the Democrats are robbed

1031
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,680
spineless Democrats have passed
the bill that says that FISA,

1032
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:09,360
the bill that says that the
telephone companies can give up

1033
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,350
all his data that they were
legally required not to give up

1034
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,830
to various privacy laws that
were passed, specifically aimed

1035
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:19,620
at the telephone companies. And
so they've been given a free

1036
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:23,790
ride. That No, they won't be
prosecuted from, you know,

1037
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,660
I don't understand how that
happened. And I see some severe

1038
00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:30,480
disappointment amongst Obama
supporters, because what I

1039
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,760
understand was he in effect,
endorsed it and say, yeah,

1040
00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:36,780
yeah, he signed off on it's fine
with him. So you know,

1041
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,180
how about Ron Paul tells me he
signed against that.

1042
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:42,660
Well, of course, he did. And we
don't even have to ask Dewey for

1043
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:45,990
how outrageous is that? This was
a huge debate. This was we've

1044
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:48,330
got them yeah, we've got him by
the balls. And what happened?

1045
00:57:48,330 --> 00:57:49,740
How did that how did that flip?

1046
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:53,820
Yeah, the probably because of
people having these dossiers I

1047
00:57:53,820 --> 00:57:57,390
mean, this is the reason that
the government is tries to get

1048
00:57:57,390 --> 00:58:00,030
as much information they
probably have, you know, the

1049
00:58:00,030 --> 00:58:02,670
goods on everybody you know, if
you want you to get this all

1050
00:58:02,670 --> 00:58:05,460
this data, especially credit
card data, you can you know,

1051
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:06,450
intimidate anyone

1052
00:58:06,509 --> 00:58:09,479
so any this is this, is this
Visa, MasterCard, American

1053
00:58:09,479 --> 00:58:12,929
Express discover, I mean, all
these guys are turning over our

1054
00:58:12,929 --> 00:58:15,269
credit card data to the
government. That's a fact I

1055
00:58:15,269 --> 00:58:18,449
don't they I don't know that
they've started yet. But the the

1056
00:58:18,869 --> 00:58:22,949
there was this was it has been
passed. Oh, let me see if it's a

1057
00:58:22,949 --> 00:58:27,089
law. Yeah, well, let me find it
as on the blog. I don't know if

1058
00:58:27,089 --> 00:58:30,989
I blogged it to be honest by
might have. That's an outrage.

1059
00:58:30,989 --> 00:58:35,009
The trouble is the blog is
getting to be kind of nutty. But

1060
00:58:35,009 --> 00:58:35,099
the

1061
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,470
world is going nutty. John,
that's what's happening.

1062
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,730
Yeah, there's the domestic
spying one.

1063
00:58:43,139 --> 00:58:47,939
What does that happening? And
then the here's the danger, you

1064
00:58:47,939 --> 00:58:50,429
know, so I'm one of these
schmucks who smokes a couple

1065
00:58:50,429 --> 00:58:54,209
joints, I go to YouTube and
Google Talk about it. And I

1066
00:58:54,209 --> 00:58:56,789
started watching these videos
about how, you know, it's the

1067
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:59,819
evil banking families who are
taking control of us, and you

1068
00:58:59,819 --> 00:59:02,789
know, we're all going to be, you
know, essentially, we're living

1069
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:06,209
we're already living in the
matrix, you know, we're enslaved

1070
00:59:06,209 --> 00:59:11,189
to, to our, to our homes and
cars and jobs. And is it really

1071
00:59:11,189 --> 00:59:14,069
true or is that just all
perception?

1072
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:19,530
Well, I mean, I think it's going
it's it's a trend, I don't think

1073
00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:26,100
it's true at all. So I'm not
doing Yeah, but you're sweating,

1074
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:27,900
you know, but that God now what
next?

1075
00:59:27,929 --> 00:59:30,989
Yeah, but imagine you were going
through this, half a billion

1076
00:59:30,989 --> 00:59:33,329
people in Europe, you know,
imagine you're going through

1077
00:59:33,329 --> 00:59:35,729
those feelings, and then all of
a sudden, here's all this

1078
00:59:35,729 --> 00:59:39,389
language that shows up and all
these documents and by truck

1079
00:59:39,389 --> 00:59:42,479
now. That doesn't sound right.

1080
00:59:42,989 --> 00:59:44,969
Well, that's why they got to
take the public out of the

1081
00:59:44,969 --> 00:59:45,569
picture.

1082
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:48,990
How do you do that? How do you
do that? They're doing it the EU

1083
00:59:48,989 --> 00:59:51,749
is showing how to do it. They're
leading the way I mean, except

1084
00:59:51,749 --> 00:59:57,449
for this, this this little thing
that happened in Ireland. The EU

1085
00:59:57,449 --> 01:00:00,419
is showing us how to do it. You
know, you just Wouldn't a bunch

1086
01:00:00,419 --> 01:00:03,509
of have not elected like you
said here it is. It's Iran on

1087
01:00:03,509 --> 01:00:06,899
June 19. Senate housing bill
Reiter requires tracking Oh,

1088
01:00:06,899 --> 01:00:10,979
yeah, this was slipped in to
another bill, but into a

1089
01:00:11,009 --> 01:00:15,149
Christopher Dodd bill. Senate
housing bill requires eBay,

1090
01:00:15,149 --> 01:00:18,149
Amazon, Google and all credit
card companies to report

1091
01:00:18,149 --> 01:00:22,889
transactions to the government.
Oh my god. This is an unreported

1092
01:00:22,919 --> 01:00:25,859
rendus under unreported under
reported news, nobody's really

1093
01:00:25,859 --> 01:00:30,089
talking about this hidden deep
in Senator Christopher Dodd 630

1094
01:00:30,089 --> 01:00:33,839
page. Senate housing legislation
is a sweeping provision that

1095
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:35,939
affects the privacy and
operation of nearly all

1096
01:00:35,939 --> 01:00:39,149
America's small businesses. The
provision, which was added by

1097
01:00:39,149 --> 01:00:43,589
the bill's managers without
debate, of course, would require

1098
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:47,189
the nation's payment systems to
track aggregate and report

1099
01:00:47,189 --> 01:00:50,519
information on nearly every
every electronic transaction to

1100
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,559
the federal government. By the
way, they're all electronic

1101
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:53,459
transactions now.

1102
01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:57,240
Like this is fantastic. Yeah.

1103
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,930
Says according to Dick Armey
says, quote, this is a provision

1104
01:01:00,930 --> 01:01:03,300
with astonishing reach and it
was slipped into the bill just

1105
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:05,640
this week, not only does it
affect nearly every credit card

1106
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,310
transaction in America, such as
Visa, MasterCard, discover and

1107
01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:11,490
American Express. But the bill
specifically targets payment

1108
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:16,380
systems like eBay is PayPal,
Amazon and Google Checkout that

1109
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:18,420
are used by many small and
businesses. The privacy

1110
01:01:18,420 --> 01:01:21,090
implications are breathtaking.
So why don't you Well, of

1111
01:01:21,090 --> 01:01:22,920
course, nobody's writing about
this

1112
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:26,190
now was this. This was a part of
what Bill, specifically

1113
01:01:26,429 --> 01:01:31,139
the 630 page Senate housing
legislation, Christopher DODDS

1114
01:01:31,139 --> 01:01:33,839
big bill. Oh, man.

1115
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:38,910
So that's that's even separate
from from FISA. Yeah,

1116
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:44,009
yeah, this is another thing. But
this again, was not, you know,

1117
01:01:44,009 --> 01:01:48,689
the general media did it wasn't
debated on the floor. No, this

1118
01:01:48,689 --> 01:01:50,759
is a you can find
this@freedomworks.org I mean,

1119
01:01:51,569 --> 01:01:56,039
and there's a link to the bill,
by the way, itself, at Freedom

1120
01:01:56,039 --> 01:02:01,139
works.org. And I got this by the
way off of a Twitter. One of my

1121
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:04,739
my Twitter sent me this link,
and I'm just reading it the same

1122
01:02:04,739 --> 01:02:08,069
way you did was shocked. And at
first I said it begs is this

1123
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:08,969
bullshit.

1124
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,810
As one of the typical John C.
Dvorak responds through email,

1125
01:02:12,810 --> 01:02:15,210
but this was on Twitter, you say
bullshit on Twitter.

1126
01:02:16,050 --> 01:02:21,510
I said BS, okay. Good, man. But
anyway, Sunday, June 19.

1127
01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:23,850
I'm looking, I'm looking at it
right now. This is cool.

1128
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:26,010
Freedom. works.org. I haven't
seen this site before. It's a

1129
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:33,330
good site. Wow. So it has this
been passed? No. I'm sure it'll

1130
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:36,810
be passed. Wrong. And there may
be time to stop. It

1131
01:02:37,889 --> 01:02:43,169
seems unlikely. If they can't
stop that other thing that Obama

1132
01:02:43,169 --> 01:02:45,059
signed off on how they're going
to stop this,

1133
01:02:45,090 --> 01:02:48,270
where's the outrage over that? I
mean, that just makes it just

1134
01:02:48,270 --> 01:02:52,290
doesn't make any sense. I don't
understand. And this is, this is

1135
01:02:52,290 --> 01:02:54,630
the thing that freaks me out is
whenever there's language like,

1136
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:56,820
well, you know, of course, you
know, under certain

1137
01:02:56,820 --> 01:02:59,970
circumstances for a national
security against terrorism with

1138
01:02:59,970 --> 01:03:05,910
like, I just don't want to be
safe. No, I'll just live

1139
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:09,630
dangerously. I'll take my
chances.

1140
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:13,050
You gotta be careful. You know,
you're you're already asking for

1141
01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:13,560
trouble.

1142
01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:15,210
What do you mean? Well,

1143
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:19,320
I mean, for one who lives in
Cornwall can't get into the

1144
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,100
United States anymore. Because
he was he was a musician who was

1145
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:30,870
arrested for smoking pot in the
80s or the 70s. And he can't get

1146
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:31,890
into the country. Now.

1147
01:03:31,949 --> 01:03:35,699
John, let me tell you something.
People like me, that, you know,

1148
01:03:35,729 --> 01:03:38,819
they snuff them out in a huge
public way. They don't pester

1149
01:03:38,819 --> 01:03:41,879
them with little shit like that.
You know, because they know that

1150
01:03:41,909 --> 01:03:44,849
it'll only fuel more. They'll
become a martyr. You know, they

1151
01:03:44,849 --> 01:03:49,949
don't want that. I finally get
my 52 virgins. No, man. I don't

1152
01:03:49,949 --> 01:03:51,989
want that. But you know

1153
01:03:51,989 --> 01:03:54,779
what? I? You haven't been
arrested for anything anyway.

1154
01:03:54,899 --> 01:03:55,229
No, I

1155
01:03:55,230 --> 01:03:56,550
haven't. But let me say John,

1156
01:03:56,580 --> 01:03:58,950
I really just Wednesday,
Wednesday, they're gonna let

1157
01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:01,680
stop people from coming into the
country who have parking

1158
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:02,310
tickets.

1159
01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:05,520
It's gonna happen. It's gonna
happen. Or they

1160
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,730
make you pay the parking tickets
before you can stand dude, dude,

1161
01:04:09,030 --> 01:04:12,420
that happens in Holland already.
That's how that's that happened

1162
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:16,200
to me. 20 years ago, you show up
at the Dutch border. This is pre

1163
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:20,640
all this Europe stuff. And they
literally made me pay parking

1164
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,320
fines on the spot before they
let me in the country. Wow.

1165
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:26,610
Yeah, that's a while ago.

1166
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:30,240
We'll get back to that any
minute. That's a good way to

1167
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,920
click parking tickets. You know
what they've done here in the

1168
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,410
United States, which is really
interesting. Is they've

1169
01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:38,400
privatised all these parking,
you know, like in San Francisco.

1170
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:42,300
It's not run by the city. It's
run by a company and so they're

1171
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:44,460
not they're not accountable to
anybody.

1172
01:04:44,699 --> 01:04:48,059
Do this is happening all over
all over the world. Now. Now in

1173
01:04:48,389 --> 01:04:54,269
in Amsterdam, you can park
paying with your GSM phone. So

1174
01:04:54,299 --> 01:04:58,139
you park in a spot. You go to
the little metre thing. It gives

1175
01:04:58,139 --> 01:05:02,159
you a code you SMS some code,
and then it's paid for, of

1176
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:04,829
course, handily, they know
exactly where you were at what

1177
01:05:04,829 --> 01:05:08,249
moment and how long, you know.
And of course, that data safe.

1178
01:05:08,969 --> 01:05:13,709
Just like you're just like your
credit card data. And now this

1179
01:05:13,709 --> 01:05:16,469
is a these modern, I mean, yeah,
I can see the convenience.

1180
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,710
But they shouldn't be charging
for parking anyway, I think the

1181
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:26,070
parking thing is that, you know,
parking was never meant to be a

1182
01:05:26,070 --> 01:05:29,580
profit centre. It was meant to
keep traffic moving. So you'd

1183
01:05:29,580 --> 01:05:32,040
have like, in France, you had
the blue disc and all these

1184
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,430
things where you just, you know,
you'd they say, you'd make an

1185
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:38,130
agreement, you know, you'd be
out of there in an hour or so in

1186
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:42,900
the resource. Yeah, but now it's
like in San Francisco,

1187
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,920
especially around the the media
offices. It's it's so funny,

1188
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,650
because the metres which by the
way, they're all MTF photos of

1189
01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:52,200
this nobody's parking there, the
park a mile away, because it's,

1190
01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:56,400
you can't park there, though.
It's 25 cents for five min, five

1191
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,540
minutes. The metres right out in
front of the officer 25 cents

1192
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:03,510
for five minutes and all around
is 25 cents for firemen. By the

1193
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:06,720
time you load up to have like
15, you've already blown the

1194
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,200
five, first five minutes, and I
don't even see any. And if

1195
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,100
people actually use these
parking spots, they these metre

1196
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:17,850
boxes will be so full a quarter
so quickly, that you know they

1197
01:06:17,850 --> 01:06:19,770
would be clogged and you
wouldn't be able to use them at

1198
01:06:19,770 --> 01:06:21,420
all. I mean, the whole thing is
a joke.

1199
01:06:21,449 --> 01:06:24,239
So do they process the fines? Is
that how it works? They take

1200
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:27,599
them they collect the five bucks
by the way, and they collect

1201
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,749
that these these commercial
companies? Yeah, you're kidding

1202
01:06:30,749 --> 01:06:33,059
me. So it's not like it's not
like a city thing. It's an

1203
01:06:33,059 --> 01:06:34,679
actual commercial company thing.

1204
01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:37,920
Yeah. And that's why the prices
have been jacked up to the to

1205
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,780
extreme. And the fines are
extremely high, because you

1206
01:06:39,780 --> 01:06:42,390
can't really fight it. You could
go through the court system,

1207
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:45,180
because there's still you know,
there is a way to protest, but

1208
01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:47,880
nobody can you know, that's not
going to happen. You might as

1209
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:48,690
well just forget it.

1210
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:49,620
Hey, John. Oh,

1211
01:06:49,619 --> 01:06:51,539
it's like you're a smart guy.

1212
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:57,420
Who I have in high regard. So
obviously, we get the government

1213
01:06:57,420 --> 01:07:00,810
we deserve. So what do we need
to do to change that?

1214
01:07:01,650 --> 01:07:04,500
Well, the first thing you can do
is stop voting in guys like

1215
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:08,130
Gavin Newsom, who's obviously
behind this thing. I mean, these

1216
01:07:08,130 --> 01:07:11,550
mayors are these these these do
good Democrats and these phoney

1217
01:07:11,550 --> 01:07:15,300
baloney Republicans are both
parties are full of crap.

1218
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,580
They're obviously in bed with
each other, they wouldn't have

1219
01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:20,760
passed that thing where Obama's
in on it. And you know, it's

1220
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,760
just ridiculous. We got to find
alternative people who aren't

1221
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,670
crazy. And the problem is the if
you look at who runs the

1222
01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:30,090
political spectrum, like in San
Francisco, you have these nut

1223
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:33,870
jobs, running against two or
three people who have some

1224
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:37,050
creds, and the guys with the
creds are the ones who put put

1225
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:40,350
these 25 cents for five minute
parking metres. And I mean, you

1226
01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:42,090
can't win. I think it's
hopeless, actually.

1227
01:07:43,170 --> 01:07:47,400
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, we've
got kids, man, what they gotta

1228
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,750
grow up in some kind of society.

1229
01:07:48,869 --> 01:07:51,329
There are little towns around
the country that are okay. In

1230
01:07:51,329 --> 01:07:53,699
fact, little, you know, I mean,
there are places where there's

1231
01:07:53,699 --> 01:07:54,749
no parking metres, you

1232
01:07:54,749 --> 01:07:56,489
know, you're promoting
separatism.

1233
01:07:57,989 --> 01:08:02,939
Just get out of these places.
Yeah, they want to exploit the

1234
01:08:02,939 --> 01:08:05,759
public, but that way, screw
them. I don't do business there.

1235
01:08:06,029 --> 01:08:08,459
I mean, I don't see why anybody
does business in San Francisco

1236
01:08:08,459 --> 01:08:11,249
with these. You mean just you
can't even park to visit one of

1237
01:08:11,249 --> 01:08:14,159
these companies in that area
where there's the 25 cents for

1238
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,559
five minutes. I mean, you know,
you if you had to do business

1239
01:08:16,559 --> 01:08:20,999
there, there's no way without
spending like $20 for parking or

1240
01:08:20,999 --> 01:08:25,409
10 depending if there's a
baseball game it goes to 40 You

1241
01:08:25,409 --> 01:08:28,139
can't do business there because
you can't park here but that's

1242
01:08:28,139 --> 01:08:32,129
easy to public transportation is
a joke and especially in San

1243
01:08:32,129 --> 01:08:34,559
Francisco I mean the whole thing
is ridiculous so it's no wonder

1244
01:08:34,559 --> 01:08:36,479
nobody wants to do business in
San Francisco.

1245
01:08:37,380 --> 01:08:39,870
People still do business you
know that's where we're money is

1246
01:08:39,870 --> 01:08:42,660
made that's it's whatever you
Metropolis you know, if you want

1247
01:08:42,660 --> 01:08:43,830
to make a living you gotta go

1248
01:08:43,830 --> 01:08:46,620
there, fight it. We have to get
out of the cities that are there

1249
01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:49,350
that are onerous like this and
do business elsewhere. You can

1250
01:08:49,350 --> 01:08:56,790
do plenty of good business
outside of San Francisco. I

1251
01:08:56,790 --> 01:08:57,270
don't know.

1252
01:08:58,110 --> 01:09:01,560
You know, it's hard to get
people. It's hard to get staff

1253
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:04,200
you know, the location of the
MVNO offices was certainly

1254
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,110
determined by what type of
people will type of personnel we

1255
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:08,130
wanted to attract.

1256
01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:10,650
You could have moved to Alameda
for that matter, because half

1257
01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:13,440
the people that work at Mieville
live in Alameda or in the East

1258
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:13,950
Bay

1259
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:18,900
interesting yeah, I guess we
could have

1260
01:09:19,709 --> 01:09:22,169
and Alameda is amenable. They
got a bunch of this where you

1261
01:09:22,169 --> 01:09:25,349
know, my sequel guys are in
Alameda. There's a whole bunch

1262
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:28,439
of companies in Alameda. And
there's no they don't have these

1263
01:09:28,469 --> 01:09:33,449
onerous parking metres and all
the rest of it. Crap. I'm

1264
01:09:33,449 --> 01:09:35,789
surprised they don't have you
know, they're Jakey willing to

1265
01:09:35,789 --> 01:09:38,789
charge us five bucks to get
across that bridge is

1266
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:43,709
unbelievable. You know, it's not
a San Francisco is not a

1267
01:09:43,709 --> 01:09:47,579
business friendly city. People
should reject using it as such.

1268
01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:51,810
I was looking at a little more
meta level in San Francisco.

1269
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:54,390
Obviously, when I'm asking that
type of question.

1270
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:58,050
You know, there's even
restaurants in that area south

1271
01:09:58,050 --> 01:09:59,850
of market. In fact, the one
place we like to go which is

1272
01:09:59,850 --> 01:10:03,630
free in Gaul, French plays Yeah,
I mean you can't do you know

1273
01:10:03,630 --> 01:10:06,210
they have if you go there for
lunch, the metre maids are

1274
01:10:06,210 --> 01:10:10,440
flying around. They're trying to
get you to get Yeah. The gate.

1275
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:11,280
Yeah, seriously,

1276
01:10:11,310 --> 01:10:14,640
it's patrolling lunch. Yeah,
they're trying to get you damn

1277
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:21,990
them out to get me. So that's
it. That's only that's our

1278
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:23,700
recourse. We got to vote Yeah,

1279
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:26,670
there is no recourse recourse is
rejection? Yeah.

1280
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,650
Well, we're not doing a very
good job with a lot of things

1281
01:10:31,650 --> 01:10:33,600
happening right now when it
comes to rejection.

1282
01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:37,980
Now I think the public is has
been cowed. There's just been so

1283
01:10:37,980 --> 01:10:41,160
beaten that they just don't care

1284
01:10:41,999 --> 01:10:44,879
what that said, I feel really
bad about that.

1285
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:50,280
When I mean, I just think is a
fact. Yeah, that's why I think

1286
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,110
it's been going on for a while,
of course, it's

1287
01:10:52,110 --> 01:10:55,290
been going on for a while and
television and the whole Britney

1288
01:10:55,290 --> 01:11:00,510
Spears Lindsay Lohan, you know,
distraction culture is rampant.

1289
01:11:00,510 --> 01:11:05,010
And everyone loves that, because
let everyone be occupied with

1290
01:11:05,010 --> 01:11:12,090
all that stuff. Now, meanwhile,
you're paying 25 cents for five

1291
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:12,870
minutes parking.

1292
01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:18,030
Right? In a metre that, you
know, have these. I don't know

1293
01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:19,470
what the deal is with these
metres? Well,

1294
01:11:20,340 --> 01:11:22,500
this does come back to what we
talked about the very end of

1295
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:25,710
last week show where you said
that? No, if he didn't even say

1296
01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:28,260
No offence, you just offended me
outright and just said, Look,

1297
01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:32,490
you don't matter. You know, you
know, honestly, to you said you

1298
01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:36,030
didn't matter either, which was,
you know, heartening to some

1299
01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:40,230
extent. But still, I got a lot
of responses from people on

1300
01:11:40,230 --> 01:11:42,930
that. And they said, you know,
it does matter because you got

1301
01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:45,840
you guys, you and I John, you
know, we open people's eyes to

1302
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,960
other stuff and, and they do
become aware, but it just seems

1303
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,390
like there's no action. You
know, it's a lot of posting,

1304
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:55,020
we're posting a lot, you know,
but how about some real and by

1305
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:57,000
the way, I'm the biggest
perpetrator of that because I'm

1306
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,940
not doing anything. And just
sitting here complaining and

1307
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:00,570
observing,

1308
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:03,780
ya know, we that's the two of
us. I mean, I think we serve a

1309
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:07,020
useful purpose for the system,
because the system needs to blow

1310
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:09,840
off steam. So it keeps people
that think at least something at

1311
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,910
least people are complaining at
least people are noticing and

1312
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:16,710
which is part of a really
idealistic version of a kind of

1313
01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:21,030
a fascist system as opposed to
the old Soviet style where if

1314
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:23,190
you if you're a protest, or if
you're somebody says something

1315
01:12:23,190 --> 01:12:25,920
bad against me kills you, for
example, you know, you end up in

1316
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,530
jail, doesn't this is better,
this

1317
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:31,140
is better. People get the blow
off steam. They don't change

1318
01:12:31,140 --> 01:12:33,060
jack shit, but at least they
feel better about it because

1319
01:12:33,060 --> 01:12:34,320
they complain for a little
while.

1320
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:37,470
Yeah, but the joke of it because
we still have more prisoners

1321
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:39,930
than they have in Russia. But in
Russia, they know better than to

1322
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:40,770
say anything.

1323
01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:48,480
Yes. And 70% are black. Of the
10% of the population that's

1324
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:49,350
incarcerated.

1325
01:12:49,379 --> 01:12:54,509
Hmm. Yeah, well, you just gets
the Latinos are trying to catch

1326
01:12:54,509 --> 01:12:59,519
up the ones that are coming in
from Mexico the race. So, but

1327
01:12:59,519 --> 01:13:00,689
the point is that,

1328
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,540
so it's true then. And look, I'm
just trying to get around this

1329
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:06,480
office. True. So we're all we're
truly fucked. That's it.

1330
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:11,280
You need to do that system
needs. Guys like us? Yeah.

1331
01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:14,490
But how can guys like us change
something? Can we motivate

1332
01:13:14,490 --> 01:13:15,900
anyone? We have something?

1333
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:19,770
No, we have. We can't even get
somebody to

1334
01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:25,110
pay us a dime. Let alone save
the world.

1335
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,240
Yeah, right. We get no money
from the no agenda show and we

1336
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,830
can't get it.

1337
01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:35,010
You know, I want I want in the
hopeless last night. They had a

1338
01:13:35,010 --> 01:13:42,870
raffle. And I run a one a three
day, Disneyland Paris trip for a

1339
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:47,790
family of four including
Eurostar. Rail, transportation.

1340
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:50,280
And I was really Yeah, and
Patricia and I were like, No, we

1341
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,760
have some other plans. Like, we
can't really, you know, take a

1342
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,770
whole bunch of vacations
because, you know, it's like

1343
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,820
stuff is busy, Nevio and etc.
And I said, Well, why don't I

1344
01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:02,040
give it away and no agenda? And
she said, Well, that won't work

1345
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,580
for anyone less they live in the
UK. I was actually thinking

1346
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:07,980
about giving that away and
trying to well, you

1347
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:10,620
it's probably there's also
different kinds of laws about

1348
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,630
giving stuff away, you know, but
just if you want to give it to

1349
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:15,240
somebody said, you bring my kids
over there, we can all go with,

1350
01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:15,960
you know, we can do it.

1351
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:19,410
I'm gonna give it to you. But
we're not because you don't make

1352
01:14:19,410 --> 01:14:23,700
a difference in the world. I
want to give it to someone who

1353
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:27,330
was really making a difference,
not just the the hot co2 you're

1354
01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:28,200
emitting my friend.

1355
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,100
Well, then maybe you should find
you know, we should do create as

1356
01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:37,890
a gifting. We should find
somebody that's worthy. And then

1357
01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:39,210
give it to them. Well, that's

1358
01:14:39,210 --> 01:14:41,190
a good idea. I bet you that
would make a lot of money.

1359
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:45,180
It would be like, I don't know
about that. But it would be like

1360
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:47,910
the Nobel Prize. Okay.

1361
01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:56,430
Sure. The Nobel Prize Nice. Oh,
my God. There was a there was a

1362
01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:59,970
documentary here on Friday.
Speaking of Nobel Prize about

1363
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,540
Bill Gates. So I guess bill is
really on his final film

1364
01:15:03,570 --> 01:15:06,570
farewell tour. At least that's
the way it's been. You know, he

1365
01:15:06,570 --> 01:15:10,110
was over here he met with Gordon
Brown. You know, everyone's

1366
01:15:10,110 --> 01:15:13,020
saying this is his big farewell
his swan song. And now he's

1367
01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:15,990
going full time into the Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation.

1368
01:15:16,290 --> 01:15:16,650
Yeah, he's

1369
01:15:16,650 --> 01:15:19,740
working for Warren Buffett now.
Yeah, exactly.

1370
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,020
And ended the commentary from I
believe John Battelle because

1371
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:27,660
they interviewed two people.
Battelle which i By the way, I

1372
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:30,150
didn't find to be the the best
two people to interview on the

1373
01:15:30,180 --> 01:15:34,260
on the subject of Bill Gates,
the Tao and some other

1374
01:15:34,260 --> 01:15:39,180
journalists who have seen on the
net with an AR can members name

1375
01:15:39,180 --> 01:15:43,950
it might pop up. And according
to Patel, all that Bill Gates

1376
01:15:43,950 --> 01:15:46,860
wants is a Nobel Peace Prize.
That's what it's all about.

1377
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:48,600
He'll do anything to get the
Nobel that's a

1378
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,170
good I liked the theory of
interest there, isn't it? Yeah.

1379
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:56,370
Yeah. Could happen. Yeah, it
could happen. Why not? Well,

1380
01:15:56,370 --> 01:15:58,290
maybe gotta give it to somebody.
They might as well give it to

1381
01:15:58,290 --> 01:16:00,750
him. He needs the money. Maybe
it should? Well, yeah,

1382
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:02,460
he's given he's given his
fortune or what?

1383
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,550
Are those those those are on the
the interviews that he's done

1384
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:14,370
with the BBC or on YouTube? And
I've? And are there are no,

1385
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:17,490
other than YouTube, they're on
the BBC sites. They're not I

1386
01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:19,770
would have been, I would have
put them on the blog. But the

1387
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,560
BBC site is at least one of
these channels, they won't let

1388
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,540
you embed, which is stupid. But
anyway, and I find it hard to

1389
01:16:27,540 --> 01:16:30,600
watch Bill now that he's
reminiscing because he's he's

1390
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,330
changing his story a lot, you
know, and it's just like, No,

1391
01:16:33,330 --> 01:16:33,750
no,

1392
01:16:33,870 --> 01:16:37,080
he's building his legacy. And
then he wants to go, I think you

1393
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,920
know what I think it is, I think
he really fears that he'll miss

1394
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:44,190
the limelight of being bill
which of course, he pretty much

1395
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,380
ran away from from the
limelight. But I think he I

1396
01:16:49,380 --> 01:16:51,480
think he's gonna miss it.
There's something about it, that

1397
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:54,240
he's, he's, he's struggling with
internally.

1398
01:16:55,290 --> 01:16:57,840
I think you might be right,
because he really does enjoy

1399
01:16:59,010 --> 01:17:00,000
being technology

1400
01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:02,670
and being a celebrity and being
involved in it. And

1401
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:05,879
right, in fact, I was on a
flight once, you know, you

1402
01:17:05,879 --> 01:17:10,649
always suppose he flies coach.
But the fact of the matter is,

1403
01:17:10,649 --> 01:17:13,469
nobody lets him fly coach. So
he's always shoved into first

1404
01:17:13,469 --> 01:17:17,459
class. And, and I was on a
flight with him once, not with

1405
01:17:17,459 --> 01:17:19,739
him, but on the same flight. And
I was sitting right behind him

1406
01:17:20,519 --> 01:17:23,009
and chatted with him for a
minute or two. But it was

1407
01:17:23,009 --> 01:17:27,329
interesting that he, people
would keep coming up to him out

1408
01:17:27,329 --> 01:17:31,529
of the blue. Just out it just
constantly and say, and he as he

1409
01:17:31,529 --> 01:17:34,289
was doing his email, which is
apparently what he does all the

1410
01:17:34,289 --> 01:17:37,739
time. And he and they're just
saying to him, that's pretty

1411
01:17:37,739 --> 01:17:40,409
much the same thing. Thank you
so much for inventing the

1412
01:17:40,409 --> 01:17:43,319
computer. And thanks for
everything you've done. And he's

1413
01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:45,779
all like, Listen, this is going
to Gen videos. Oh, you're

1414
01:17:45,779 --> 01:17:46,529
welcome. You know,

1415
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,950
that was it was he's been told I
did that before breakfast,

1416
01:17:49,950 --> 01:17:50,430
sonny.

1417
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,270
I think he's been told this so
many times that he he thinks he

1418
01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:55,800
believes the future. Yeah.

1419
01:17:57,030 --> 01:18:01,410
I can see what that would
happen. You know how I bet if

1420
01:18:01,410 --> 01:18:04,230
you went out on the street and
ask people in America who

1421
01:18:04,230 --> 01:18:07,770
invented the automobile, but
everyone say, either an American

1422
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:11,730
or Henry Ford. Right? No one
would say a German.

1423
01:18:13,470 --> 01:18:16,170
Well, they if they can remember
Henry Ford, there may be some

1424
01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:19,200
people out there that say, you
know, Jack Toyota, I mean, you

1425
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:23,970
don't know what the American I
mean, Toyota, Tommy Toyota, we

1426
01:18:23,970 --> 01:18:26,700
should start popularising that
Tommy, Toyota, the inventor of

1427
01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:27,630
the automobile.

1428
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:31,740
A bit sure we could make a wiki
page out of it and would stick.

1429
01:18:33,450 --> 01:18:37,080
Tommy Toyota, we dispute the
claim to the inventor of the

1430
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,940
automobile or we think was Tommy
Toyota.

1431
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:46,170
Yeah, Tom, let me tell you what,
he did it in 1880. Well, and

1432
01:18:46,170 --> 01:18:47,670
again in 1970 Hey, man,

1433
01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:49,680
you sent me an article you want
to talk about you still want to

1434
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,160
talk about that or not? I don't
know. What was it? You sent me

1435
01:18:53,220 --> 01:18:56,070
your market wide, which I'd read
already your MarketWatch article

1436
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:57,870
about Microsoft and Yahoo?

1437
01:18:58,770 --> 01:19:02,550
Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't
think it's the last topic. He I

1438
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:04,680
wrote a good article for anyone
out there wants to read it's

1439
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:06,120
done in market watch. And if you

1440
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,390
don't, if you say humbly, with
all modesty, he wrote a good

1441
01:19:09,390 --> 01:19:09,930
article.

1442
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:17,130
It was it was a good article. It
was an open letter. Kind of, but

1443
01:19:17,130 --> 01:19:20,430
it wasn't really but it was a to
the shareholders and complainers

1444
01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:25,200
about the Yahoo. Microsoft deal.
It dawned on me that the weird

1445
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,690
thing about this soulless
moaning and groaning is that,

1446
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:31,290
you know, they jumped over Jerry
Yang, for what for not wanting

1447
01:19:31,290 --> 01:19:34,020
to sell his company, why will
Google's gonna start a company

1448
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:36,690
put their lives effort to it and
just dump it?

1449
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,290
Well, this is the whole culture,
John, you know, I read that. I

1450
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:43,410
read that and it's the whole
culture of Silicon Valley. It's

1451
01:19:43,410 --> 01:19:46,320
the whole culture of all the
blogosphere that surrounds it.

1452
01:19:46,530 --> 01:19:49,830
It's all about the only thing
people get excited by these days

1453
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:53,220
is who's buying who or who's
investing in who there's almost

1454
01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:55,770
no love for the technology
itself anymore. The minute

1455
01:19:55,770 --> 01:19:59,250
something cool comes out instead
of like, wow, this is freakin

1456
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:03,210
cool. You know, you get, well,
you know, they could strategize

1457
01:20:03,210 --> 01:20:05,460
with this company, and they'll
probably insert ads this way.

1458
01:20:05,460 --> 01:20:08,220
And then they can ramp it up and
they'll scale and they'll be

1459
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:09,450
sold off to Google.

1460
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:17,850
Yeah, yeah. No. Silicon Valley
thing. I mean, people in in in

1461
01:20:17,850 --> 01:20:24,090
Michigan don't think like this.
Know, the way the media get all

1462
01:20:24,090 --> 01:20:27,180
over it. I mean, the whole thing
was triggered to me by a friend

1463
01:20:27,180 --> 01:20:29,100
of mine who wrote something.

1464
01:20:30,270 --> 01:20:32,490
You know, I'll tell you why.
John, let me answer the question

1465
01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:34,440
before you tell me about your
friend that wrote something.

1466
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:39,510
Okay. The reason why is because
talking about Yahoo being sold

1467
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:42,690
to Microsoft is a hell of a lot
more exciting than talking about

1468
01:20:42,690 --> 01:20:45,300
boring old credit card data
that's being given to the

1469
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:47,400
government. Okay, that's the
bottom line.

1470
01:20:48,690 --> 01:20:51,840
Well, there's that element. They
don't even tell you about the

1471
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,660
boring credit card data at all.
That's the bills. Yeah.

1472
01:20:54,690 --> 01:20:57,810
Because they're all following
the Yahoo Microsoft merger.

1473
01:20:58,620 --> 01:21:00,870
Well, it is becoming you know,
not you mentioned it is

1474
01:21:00,870 --> 01:21:03,360
essentially a version of Britney
Spears.

1475
01:21:03,390 --> 01:21:06,840
Thank you. Now it my point.
Exactly. It's all porn for the

1476
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:11,430
masses. Absolutely. That's what
it is. And we crave it. We

1477
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:13,740
frickin crave it. It's all we
want.

1478
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:17,520
The funny thing MarketWatch
editor I said about you know,

1479
01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:20,880
because I've written about
Yahoo, Microsoft numerous times.

1480
01:21:21,870 --> 01:21:24,750
And I said, you know, Can we do
one more thing because I got

1481
01:21:24,750 --> 01:21:26,820
this open letter. I want to
write in this as you can.

1482
01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:29,430
Apparently these readers can't
get enough of it.

1483
01:21:29,459 --> 01:21:32,129
I was just gonna say a bet. If
you wrote an article and the

1484
01:21:32,129 --> 01:21:36,359
article is Yahoo, poop, poop,
poop Microsoft, and the article

1485
01:21:36,389 --> 01:21:39,569
had 18 words and he repeated
them constantly and three of

1486
01:21:39,569 --> 01:21:43,289
them in three sentences. It was
like poop. It would still get

1487
01:21:43,289 --> 01:21:45,809
huge numbers because people are
just looking for that shit. They

1488
01:21:45,809 --> 01:21:50,279
just want to read poop about
Microsoft and Yahoo. In fact,

1489
01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:53,219
why don't you to put Microsoft
here try this Microsoft? Yes

1490
01:21:53,219 --> 01:21:56,519
Yahoo Britney Spears? I bet she
is going to be the best read

1491
01:21:56,519 --> 01:22:02,549
article ever. You can do it
John. I bet she just somehow you

1492
01:22:02,549 --> 01:22:05,909
can relate Britney Spears into
Microsoft.

1493
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:09,720
Posting a posting on the blog
where the headline is Microsoft

1494
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,610
Yahoo Britney Spears porn.

1495
01:22:13,710 --> 01:22:15,990
Nazi you're going too far.
That's like your April 1. Your

1496
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:18,720
April Fool's joke. You went a
little too far on that too. It

1497
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,440
might be right do it subtly, but
somehow we know what screw it

1498
01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:25,050
work. And Amy Winehouse. That's
more sophisticated.

1499
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:28,890
Okay, working is passe already?

1500
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,460
No, no, no, no, man. No, she's
so hot work. And Amy Winehouse,

1501
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,180
somehow into a Yahoo Microsoft
story. I guarantee you most of

1502
01:22:36,180 --> 01:22:41,070
us ever. It'll be a task to try
it out. It'll work.

1503
01:22:41,850 --> 01:22:44,940
I might do that. Actually, I can
do that. I could do that as a

1504
01:22:44,940 --> 01:22:49,380
column. Because I could. It's
essentially a rewrite of that

1505
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:53,910
porn call. Um, I wrote years ago
about how using porn in the

1506
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:57,450
headlines always gets you a lot
of readers. And essentially the

1507
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:59,580
column was you know, had porn in
the headlines. But it wasn't

1508
01:22:59,580 --> 01:23:01,950
about porn. It was about the
effect of using it in the

1509
01:23:01,950 --> 01:23:04,200
headline. I can probably do the
same thing here.

1510
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:08,220
But that's too easy. Because
porn, that it's just too easy.

1511
01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:10,740
I'm not going to use porn. I'm
just saying what I could use an

1512
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:15,390
Amy Winehouse, Microsoft, Yahoo.
And probably get and it's

1513
01:23:15,390 --> 01:23:19,290
essentially the modern use of
the word porn. It's been updated

1514
01:23:19,290 --> 01:23:22,410
now. Now we have no
personalities in this idiotic

1515
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:26,250
Yeah, non merger prediction from
the beginning, by the way, it

1516
01:23:26,250 --> 01:23:27,180
never happened. You know,

1517
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:30,330
what's, what's funny? A couple
of weeks ago, I wrote a post on

1518
01:23:30,330 --> 01:23:33,240
my blog. I don't post that. And
there's a lot of love. The shows

1519
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,970
get posted automatically. But I
don't necessarily post a lot on

1520
01:23:35,970 --> 01:23:39,210
the blog, but sometimes I do.
And then instead of, I can't

1521
01:23:39,210 --> 01:23:41,040
remember exactly what it was,
but let's just say it was

1522
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,610
Microsoft Yahoo. And instead of
putting Microsoft and Yahoo, I

1523
01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:49,440
did Microsoft and a plus sign.
And then Yahoo. And I got so

1524
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:52,650
many more search result hits
from that just by putting a plus

1525
01:23:52,650 --> 01:23:56,160
sign instead of using the word
and it was significantly

1526
01:23:56,160 --> 01:24:02,490
interesting. Hmm. So I think it
should be Microsoft plus Yahoo

1527
01:24:02,490 --> 01:24:05,520
plus Brittany, maybe even do n
equals after that just just to

1528
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,690
fuck with people. In fact,
that's gonna be the title.

1529
01:24:10,050 --> 01:24:13,200
That's exactly what it is. It is
Microsoft plus Yahoo equals

1530
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:13,710
Britney.

1531
01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:17,040
There you go. That's gonna be
the title of this show, by the

1532
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:17,310
way.

1533
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,410
Okay, Microsoft plus Yahoo
equals Britney. That's a good

1534
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:22,830
title.

1535
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:28,170
You watch. You watch through the
roof. Donations will come

1536
01:24:28,170 --> 01:24:29,280
pouring in through

1537
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:32,670
donations. We don't even have a
donation thing set up we're too

1538
01:24:32,670 --> 01:24:33,150
lazy.

1539
01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:35,430
I'm not Yes, exactly. We're just
like everyone else. We're

1540
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:36,900
insignificant and lazy.

1541
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:41,970
Or insignificant and Lacey
complainers lazy. We complain

1542
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:44,460
about being lazy. This terrible
horrible.

1543
01:24:47,190 --> 01:24:48,450
Keeps us off the street.

1544
01:24:48,990 --> 01:24:52,470
That's the worst case example. I
don't have to do as though this

1545
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:53,910
kids will be like this.

1546
01:24:56,190 --> 01:24:59,790
Don't you have to do twit today?
Is that coming up? Yeah, that

1547
01:24:59,790 --> 01:25:03,750
is Coming up, I'll be tucked
out. So that's good news for

1548
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:07,230
you. I love when you go. In fact
I always bitch about by doing

1549
01:25:07,230 --> 01:25:09,300
twit you're always complaining
bitterly. It's not you

1550
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:11,340
know what, if anything is
promoting Dude, what are you

1551
01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:12,930
talking about? I'm promoting it.

1552
01:25:14,610 --> 01:25:17,520
Yeah, yeah. Well, I put dry
promote this and then in the Leo

1553
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,610
now mentions the show which is,
you know, plus took him a while.

1554
01:25:21,690 --> 01:25:24,540
You know, based on your
conversation on Twitter last

1555
01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:28,830
last week. I saw a lot of
postings of people saying, Man,

1556
01:25:29,130 --> 01:25:32,220
do they don't even pay Dvorak?
Anything? Yeah, we don't pay you

1557
01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:35,010
a lot. But we do pay you
something. I mean, come on.

1558
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:37,860
No, no, I wasn't talking about
getting paid from me that

1559
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:41,070
people? Are people living the no
agenda show.

1560
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:43,710
I know if that's how people
interpreted it. They interpreted

1561
01:25:43,710 --> 01:25:46,770
it as in you don't get paid by
at all for anything.

1562
01:25:47,550 --> 01:25:50,550
I don't I don't get paid by
anybody. I'm actually living on

1563
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:56,070
my mom's money. That's horrible
thing to say. That's not the

1564
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:58,740
point is is that no, that was a
misinterpretation. I don't know.

1565
01:25:59,070 --> 01:26:01,350
People should listen, right? I
don't even know that they

1566
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:03,930
associate I didn't know anyone
even associated this show with

1567
01:26:03,930 --> 01:26:04,500
me Do

1568
01:26:04,529 --> 01:26:08,699
you would be amazed to find out
how poorly not just how poorly I

1569
01:26:08,699 --> 01:26:13,079
think people listen to this show
in particular. But really, maybe

1570
01:26:13,079 --> 01:26:16,769
how poorly we we communicate
what we're saying? Because

1571
01:26:16,769 --> 01:26:19,589
people really sometimes walk
away with a very different

1572
01:26:19,589 --> 01:26:23,369
impression than I think that I
think I have about what we what

1573
01:26:23,369 --> 01:26:25,709
we said on the show and like,
wow, how do they pick that up?

1574
01:26:25,919 --> 01:26:28,739
How they get that angle? From
what we were saying it

1575
01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:32,760
was in writing to? I mean, a lot
of my columns, I've had this

1576
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,940
happen, she'll say, How can you
say bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

1577
01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:39,840
And I'm thinking, I never said
that. And I usually send it back

1578
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,610
a note, because I do answer all
my email. I say, Look, pal, show

1579
01:26:44,610 --> 01:26:46,980
me exactly where you need to
quote from him. I say, Well,

1580
01:26:46,980 --> 01:26:49,620
where did I say this?
Specifically? You tell me where

1581
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:52,470
that is. And they can that's the
last I hear from him. Because

1582
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:55,950
it's these I don't know, people
read poor. I mean, you think

1583
01:26:55,950 --> 01:26:57,960
that if we're talking about
somebody, they would, it would

1584
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,530
be clear because we are actually
saying it and they're listening.

1585
01:27:01,530 --> 01:27:03,900
And their take is harder to
misinterpret. But the stuff

1586
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:06,840
that's written is even worse.
But you know, I mean, if you

1587
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:11,190
think you get people not
understanding, you got to see

1588
01:27:11,190 --> 01:27:13,560
when you write something out,
and then the kind of response

1589
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,120
you get from characters. Dvorak
said, bladder lab land, I never

1590
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,710
said it was unbelievable. And
it's

1591
01:27:19,710 --> 01:27:23,160
all more of the system's steam
blowing process, that we're

1592
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,300
proud to be a part of.

1593
01:27:25,770 --> 01:27:28,380
It it's weird to me that, you
know, sometimes it's almost as

1594
01:27:28,380 --> 01:27:32,010
though people are looking for
something they're looking for,

1595
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,830
they're looking for. I don't
know what a project. Maybe they

1596
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:37,500
can't read. I think maybe the
public's becoming illiterate.

1597
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:41,220
Well, that's I think that's
probably a fact. I bet you

1598
01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:42,390
there's data on that.

1599
01:27:43,530 --> 01:27:48,720
My might be telling you it's
distress thing. I don't see how

1600
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:50,880
anyone can misinterpret what we
say on this show. We're pretty

1601
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,140
straightforward about it. And
you'd be

1602
01:27:52,140 --> 01:27:56,550
amazed you would be amazed. No
one's ever emailed you something

1603
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:57,930
that you said holy crap.

1604
01:27:59,550 --> 01:28:04,590
Not as much on this show. As I
get from what I when I write

1605
01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:05,100
something,

1606
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,520
yeah, well, I can see where that
would. That would happen. Right

1607
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,860
on right. I don't write that
much. Because I know I'm not a

1608
01:28:10,860 --> 01:28:14,940
great writer. And I certainly
get misinterpreted whenever I do

1609
01:28:14,940 --> 01:28:15,930
write something so

1610
01:28:16,829 --> 01:28:19,319
well, you must get a lot of
interesting input from the daily

1611
01:28:19,319 --> 01:28:22,469
source code. Well, what's
interesting show by the way, you

1612
01:28:22,469 --> 01:28:25,619
don't plug that much on here,
which you should yeah, should I

1613
01:28:25,619 --> 01:28:29,309
guess? Dennis is one of the
original podcasts his resume is

1614
01:28:29,309 --> 01:28:31,889
probably been on the air more
than anything ever

1615
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:39,990
since July or August 2004. To be
more or less precise. So I just

1616
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:43,350
did episode 771 which you know,
there I think there are people

1617
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:46,590
that are creeping out or
creeping up to two or if not

1618
01:28:46,590 --> 01:28:49,860
have certainly surpassed that
number. And you'll get there to

1619
01:28:49,860 --> 01:28:52,110
pretty quickly if you just look
at the at the no agendas, of

1620
01:28:52,110 --> 01:28:55,650
course, you know, I do this by
myself, I don't have a producer.

1621
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,670
It does involve hours and hours
of of pre production before I

1622
01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:03,060
just do one show. I mean, it's
like two hours of of pride to

1623
01:29:03,060 --> 01:29:05,220
just sit down you know, I gotta
listen all these voicemail

1624
01:29:05,220 --> 01:29:07,650
comments because I it's a really
a show that I put together with

1625
01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:10,770
input from everybody else. So
everyone else calls in.

1626
01:29:12,030 --> 01:29:15,960
I'm not I don't fully understand
why you don't get an intern to

1627
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,410
do to help you produce that
show. Because I know it's the

1628
01:29:19,410 --> 01:29:23,550
show is is over produced. It
sounds like you have a staff of

1629
01:29:23,550 --> 01:29:26,910
people doing it. But I know that
you're doing it all yourself. It

1630
01:29:26,910 --> 01:29:30,510
seems to me that it might be
good to train a couple of people

1631
01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:32,370
did they would love to work for
you.

1632
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:40,320
Yeah, I've thought about it you
know, it's it. The problem is is

1633
01:29:41,730 --> 01:29:44,340
it's very organic. Yeah, and
maybe I think that's part of the

1634
01:29:44,340 --> 01:29:47,400
success of it is that you know,
I'm there's I'm deciding what

1635
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,490
the what the agenda is. I mean,
there's a million things a

1636
01:29:50,490 --> 01:29:56,460
million people that call in. I
like the most challenging voices

1637
01:29:56,460 --> 01:30:00,690
are my favourite you know when
someone contradicts me or or as

1638
01:30:00,690 --> 01:30:04,380
against me, that's my favourite
part, but it's just, I just need

1639
01:30:04,380 --> 01:30:08,550
to hear it, you know, the show
is who I am. So I have to listen

1640
01:30:08,550 --> 01:30:12,540
to all those things and, and be
able to figure out where I want

1641
01:30:12,540 --> 01:30:15,600
to take it, you know, based upon
what's what's incoming, I just

1642
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,850
don't see how to do it I've
tried, I've tried other people

1643
01:30:17,850 --> 01:30:20,010
helping me out, it just doesn't
work doesn't feel right. And

1644
01:30:20,010 --> 01:30:21,810
then we come through kind of a
process

1645
01:30:21,810 --> 01:30:25,590
to be a guy. It used to be in
radio, they used to always, you

1646
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:28,170
know, just have a DJ, and you
have a guy working the controls.

1647
01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:30,960
And it used to be a guy. And I
think they still have this type

1648
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,180
of personality, but a person
radio person, I was called a

1649
01:30:33,180 --> 01:30:37,140
combo man. And he would work the
board, he would do all the

1650
01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:40,080
engineering, he would do all the
talking, he'd run, play the

1651
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,040
records, he do everything
himself. And these guys are, you

1652
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,890
know, usually in small markets,
because he didn't have couldn't

1653
01:30:46,890 --> 01:30:49,110
afford to have two people
working the same, you know?

1654
01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:51,660
Well, that's exactly the point,
John, that that's, that's,

1655
01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:54,840
that's how I learned to do it to
do everything yourself. And then

1656
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,050
what happens is, the minute you
get into a situation at a bigger

1657
01:30:58,050 --> 01:31:00,210
station, or there's more money,
then you say, Hey, man, I want

1658
01:31:00,210 --> 01:31:03,210
to produce or that's all these
guys do it. I want to produce

1659
01:31:03,210 --> 01:31:06,450
her. And then before you know
it, you become complacent, you

1660
01:31:06,450 --> 01:31:09,450
get laid back, you start missing
stuff, you know, because you got

1661
01:31:09,450 --> 01:31:12,480
more time on your hands. It's
not a good process for me.

1662
01:31:14,220 --> 01:31:17,970
Yeah, okay, well, that's fine.
You should still have an intern

1663
01:31:17,970 --> 01:31:20,310
anyway, at least doing getting
your tea or something.

1664
01:31:20,579 --> 01:31:24,689
True. I definitely know I need
an intern. I should, in fact,

1665
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:27,299
thank you. That's what I'm gonna
do, I have to get myself a

1666
01:31:27,299 --> 01:31:30,629
personal assistant. And the only
thing that person has to do is

1667
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:34,559
get my tea, and take care of my
administrative duties of the

1668
01:31:34,559 --> 01:31:39,359
household. Because, boy, that's
the thing that really hurts. You

1669
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:43,229
know, all those little things
that just have to get done. It

1670
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:46,979
just takes away from all of the
time for production. But

1671
01:31:46,979 --> 01:31:48,419
production, I gotta do it
myself.

1672
01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:53,190
Yeah, you gotta do what you got
to do. But you still need an

1673
01:31:53,190 --> 01:31:53,640
intern

1674
01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:55,950
training. Would you want? Would
you want someone scanning the

1675
01:31:55,950 --> 01:31:59,250
stories for you for? For Tech?
Five? Wouldn't you feel like,

1676
01:31:59,250 --> 01:32:01,830
you know, someone might miss out
on something?

1677
01:32:05,610 --> 01:32:09,840
Yeah, well, I mean, the tech
five news scan, I believe is

1678
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:14,850
serves two purposes. One, it
makes me keep up a little more

1679
01:32:14,850 --> 01:32:18,240
than I normally do with the
news. And so it's probably

1680
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,840
better than ice, I'd have to
scan them all anyway, because I

1681
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,910
figured out how I'm going to do
that. And Mazal read all these

1682
01:32:23,910 --> 01:32:26,100
look at all these news stories
and see which ones that catch my

1683
01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:28,680
eye. And I also look for a
different dimension, and someone

1684
01:32:29,070 --> 01:32:32,850
else might look at that makes it
my, you know, stuff I'm

1685
01:32:32,850 --> 01:32:37,740
interested in, it's about me.
And so it'd be, it would be hard

1686
01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:41,910
to do, I would do a show where
somebody else was doing all the

1687
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:44,010
everything. And I could just
come and be a talking head. It

1688
01:32:44,010 --> 01:32:48,210
doesn't bother me to do that.
But generally speaking for that

1689
01:32:48,210 --> 01:32:52,770
particular show, it's mostly me
scanning the news and then

1690
01:32:52,770 --> 01:32:56,850
finding the five or six, kind of
offbeat or interesting news

1691
01:32:56,850 --> 01:33:01,260
items or trend items, or I'm
always looking, I have a

1692
01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:03,930
different perspective. You know,
I'm always looking for redundant

1693
01:33:03,930 --> 01:33:07,230
stories and why is this thing
being covered? It's like the TIM

1694
01:33:07,230 --> 01:33:13,200
RUSSERT thing. Tim Russert died
last Friday, not this last

1695
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:18,570
Friday, but the Friday before
and he was being eulogised. For

1696
01:33:18,570 --> 01:33:21,630
over a week, day after day,
night after night. It was

1697
01:33:21,630 --> 01:33:24,300
unbelievable. I mean, Sydney
Pollack, I believe died during

1698
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:27,540
the same period of need exam,
get a mention anywhere, and he's

1699
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,310
probably as culturally important
as anyone. Absolutely. And or

1700
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:34,770
probably more so than Tim
Russert, to be honest about it.

1701
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,660
But you're nothing you're not
gonna have. So they show this

1702
01:33:39,660 --> 01:33:42,720
went on and on and on. And it's
like, you know, this kind of

1703
01:33:42,750 --> 01:33:44,970
show. I mean, those are the
kinds of things I'd like to

1704
01:33:44,970 --> 01:33:49,020
identify these kinds of strange
things that happen. And then

1705
01:33:49,050 --> 01:33:51,480
comment on them or at least
mentioned, I'm going to see

1706
01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:56,760
what, because I find it
peculiar. By the way, if anybody

1707
01:33:56,790 --> 01:34:00,390
wants to, you know, I still find
that Russert preoccupations,

1708
01:34:00,390 --> 01:34:06,900
something unusual, but it was
actually a rush limbaugh of all

1709
01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,260
people. And then everyone knows
I listened to right wing talk.

1710
01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:17,040
Rush Limbaugh actually explained
it. In some symbolic way, it was

1711
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,840
an unfortunate I can't tell you
what he said exactly. But it was

1712
01:34:21,870 --> 01:34:25,710
it was like he believed because
he was baffled by it to have

1713
01:34:25,710 --> 01:34:30,540
this never ending coverage. And
have one TV personality. I mean,

1714
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,470
TV personalities die all the
time. But he explained it as

1715
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:39,960
some sort of by the end of an
era and that's why it was

1716
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:46,140
important to keep covering it in
the end of an era of of a type

1717
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:48,810
of broadcast and we're gonna see
again and he had went on and on

1718
01:34:48,810 --> 01:34:50,580
about it. I thought it was
absolutely right on the money.

1719
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,550
It wasn't Tim Russert that there
was there were lamenting, it was

1720
01:34:56,550 --> 01:35:01,440
the end of this era where you
have a kind of a If this type of

1721
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:05,280
commentary or this type of
interview style, it's over. Wow,

1722
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,260
it's all gone. highly partisan.

1723
01:35:07,410 --> 01:35:08,250
That's interesting.

1724
01:35:09,809 --> 01:35:12,959
Yeah, he felt as he said, he
felt that it was like it is very

1725
01:35:12,959 --> 01:35:18,419
interesting analysis. I was very
stunned by he said that Ruster

1726
01:35:18,509 --> 01:35:20,969
even though he was a liberal,
and he was reworked for you

1727
01:35:20,969 --> 01:35:24,899
know, that senator in New York,
what's his name, that puffy face

1728
01:35:24,899 --> 01:35:26,999
guy can't remember his name
offhand. But anyway, he's always

1729
01:35:27,029 --> 01:35:28,889
he's always Democrat,

1730
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:31,620
the Republican or the Democrat,

1731
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:35,070
the Democrat that puffy face,
guys, but years ago, he was so

1732
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:38,730
we had kind of list. He was
peculiar. And he was extremely

1733
01:35:38,730 --> 01:35:41,910
liberal. But But Russert was a
liberal as a speech writer and

1734
01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:44,370
always a liberal. But when he
did this, he you know, it was

1735
01:35:44,370 --> 01:35:46,860
almost as though we had this
liberal guy who could present

1736
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:50,610
himself very objectively, in the
middle as a middle of the road

1737
01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:53,190
or, and he did a really good
job. And that is over. There's

1738
01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:56,820
no more guys like that. We now
have, it's either gonna be you

1739
01:35:56,820 --> 01:35:59,820
know, right wing guy or a left
wing guy was just obviously left

1740
01:35:59,820 --> 01:36:06,240
wing and, and so that was really
what he believed was why he was,

1741
01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:07,800
you know, so sad

1742
01:36:07,980 --> 01:36:11,100
that I read somewhere that, that
they want to bring back the

1743
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:14,220
equal airtime, regulations that

1744
01:36:14,220 --> 01:36:18,150
comes and goes, yeah, that Fair,
fair. The fair,

1745
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:21,240
fair to call them. And I know
what you're talking about.

1746
01:36:22,590 --> 01:36:27,510
The fairness or fairness
doctrine? Yeah. Yeah. They've

1747
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:31,020
been bitching about the fairness
doctrine. If this happened, the

1748
01:36:31,020 --> 01:36:34,140
people that were running late on
the show now, but I have to

1749
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:37,920
explain this people. There was
not be until 1987, there was a

1750
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,260
thing called the fairness
doctrine and broadcasts in the

1751
01:36:40,260 --> 01:36:42,780
United States. And that means if
you came out, I think Obama is

1752
01:36:42,780 --> 01:36:45,450
the greatest guy in the world,
the fairness doctrine and

1753
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:48,450
required that somebody else come
from the other party and say,

1754
01:36:48,450 --> 01:36:51,300
Well, I think that, you know,
McCain is the greatest guy in

1755
01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:53,700
the world, and then they would
bounce. Okay, that's fair. So

1756
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,280
everything was everything was
broadcast over the airwaves,

1757
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,590
since they're licenced by the
government had to be balanced

1758
01:36:58,590 --> 01:37:03,480
and fair. And so they pulled the
plug on that during the Reagan

1759
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:05,730
administration and just said,
Screw it. What's the point of

1760
01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:09,150
this is stupid. And so the
Fairness Doctrine was taken off

1761
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:12,540
the books and 1987 And that's
when rush limbaugh was who,

1762
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:16,560
again, not to extol him as a
genius, but as a marketing guy,

1763
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:20,430
he must be because he paid John
jumped right on it. He was the

1764
01:37:20,430 --> 01:37:24,930
first one. He's the one who
actually established you know,

1765
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:33,390
biassed political diatribe on
the on the radio. And so he was

1766
01:37:33,390 --> 01:37:36,870
in early and then and meanwhile,
and of course, the other guys

1767
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:39,840
who have cropped up or all tend
to be that are successful are

1768
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,140
all right wingers. I mean, every
one of them. There's not I mean,

1769
01:37:43,140 --> 01:37:45,870
the Air America tried to do
something, but they could never

1770
01:37:45,870 --> 01:37:49,560
get any traction. And there's
not really anybody who's not

1771
01:37:49,740 --> 01:37:53,160
either conservative or liberal,
right wing or extremely right

1772
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:57,390
wing, that do talk radio with
much success.

1773
01:37:57,480 --> 01:38:01,260
And then of course talk and then
of course, John, there's us

1774
01:38:02,250 --> 01:38:08,280
exam, well, we're not licenced,
but anyway, so that so they, so

1775
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,650
now they're thinking, Well, you
know, the fit because I couldn't

1776
01:38:10,650 --> 01:38:14,010
compete literally, the Democrats
can't come up with anybody

1777
01:38:14,010 --> 01:38:17,880
that's either funny. Or, you
know, I mean, the the joke of

1778
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:19,950
it, of course, is that they
don't realise that they have

1779
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:26,700
probably more leverage with Jon
Stewart, and Stephen Colbert,

1780
01:38:27,390 --> 01:38:30,960
and they're on television. But
they don't seem to realise that

1781
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,020
if they pull the plug on the
Fairness Doctrine, that takes

1782
01:38:34,050 --> 01:38:38,160
you know, John Stewart and
Colbert are going to be screwed.

1783
01:38:38,190 --> 01:38:41,160
So let me ask you, this will be
Saturday Night Live and every

1784
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,830
every every, everybody will be
free one screwed.

1785
01:38:43,860 --> 01:38:47,670
So let me ask you this. Rush
Limbaugh and Jon Stewart. Are

1786
01:38:47,670 --> 01:38:48,480
they significant?

1787
01:38:51,090 --> 01:38:53,310
Well, Rush Limbaugh Yeah, I
think they're extremely

1788
01:38:53,310 --> 01:38:57,900
significant. I think Limbaugh to
almost an extreme, he has 15

1789
01:38:57,900 --> 01:39:02,010
million listeners a day. And he
can actually, I mean, it's not

1790
01:39:02,010 --> 01:39:05,880
like, you know, he can change
things necessarily, because he

1791
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:09,690
sure couldn't get Clinton, you
know, out of office when he ran

1792
01:39:09,690 --> 01:39:14,730
for reelection didn't have any
effect at all. But with 15

1793
01:39:14,730 --> 01:39:17,670
million in viewers, you can kind
of make people think a certain

1794
01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:20,790
way about things. That's a lie
or listeners, that's a lot of

1795
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:21,300
people.

1796
01:39:21,749 --> 01:39:23,519
So that's our goal, John

1797
01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:25,410
15 million

1798
01:39:25,650 --> 01:39:28,620
15 million it has. It'll never
happen.

1799
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:32,640
I don't think so. It'll never
happen. We get a million it

1800
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:33,720
would be like, Wow,

1801
01:39:34,620 --> 01:39:37,110
a million still wouldn't be
significant.

1802
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,350
No, I don't think it would be I
wouldn't be significant in the

1803
01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:42,600
true sense of the term, but it
would be interesting.

1804
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:45,600
How frustrating it is.

1805
01:39:45,690 --> 01:39:50,550
I think we could sell some ads.
Okay, I'm done with you now. I

1806
01:39:50,550 --> 01:39:53,520
gotta go eat seven. Damn, I
bring up anything commercial.

1807
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,170
You always hang up the phone,
but

1808
01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:58,860
no, not at all. It's just like,
we beat that one. It's a dead

1809
01:39:58,860 --> 01:40:01,020
horse. There. is no money in
this

1810
01:40:01,740 --> 01:40:05,610
row, we should probably put up a
donation button I think now will

1811
01:40:05,610 --> 01:40:05,850
help.

1812
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:08,820
Yeah. You know what, here's what
it is. Here's how it works. If

1813
01:40:08,820 --> 01:40:11,250
no one's going to help us out
while we do this, then we've

1814
01:40:11,250 --> 01:40:13,560
just got to take it to radio.
That's the threat.

1815
01:40:15,630 --> 01:40:18,240
Yeah, that would be Yeah, they
wouldn't like that.

1816
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:22,590
No, we did. Of course, you'd be
seen as traitors and betrayals

1817
01:40:22,770 --> 01:40:24,210
betrayers of new media.

1818
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:28,920
Yeah, and actually, it is new
media is better.

1819
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:32,310
Oh, it's totally better. Because
look at this, this show would

1820
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:34,650
not be on the air anywhere,
ever.

1821
01:40:34,740 --> 01:40:37,650
Yeah. Especially not running 149

1822
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:39,810
We got to stop for guys

1823
01:40:39,810 --> 01:40:42,240
that the rest of the show Oh,
God, no, even though most of our

1824
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,920
listeners say, yeah, you can
make it real long. Because they

1825
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,380
listen to it back and forth on
their car. You know, they burn

1826
01:40:46,380 --> 01:40:50,010
it to a DVD. But this is like
our CD have been two CDs, two

1827
01:40:50,010 --> 01:40:50,490
CDs.

1828
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,240
I'm even going to compress this
at a lower mp3 bitrate than

1829
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,940
normal. It's just gonna be such
a huge file. But let's stop.

1830
01:40:58,140 --> 01:40:59,160
Yeah, I think so.

1831
01:40:59,610 --> 01:41:01,800
Let's see what people think
about this leg. How do you like

1832
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,690
that length? Ah, take them
minutes.

1833
01:41:05,130 --> 01:41:08,460
Yeah, well, we'll, we'll still
do this again. I know what we'll

1834
01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:09,360
do it again next week.

1835
01:41:09,510 --> 01:41:13,650
Excellent. And we hope you'll
join us from the curry manor in

1836
01:41:13,650 --> 01:41:15,210
the United Kingdom. I'm Adam
curry.

1837
01:41:16,020 --> 01:41:19,710
And from still foggy, Northern
California. I'm John C. Dvorak.

1838
01:41:19,740 --> 01:41:22,500
We'll talk again next week right
here on no agenda.