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And it's time once again for the
programme that comes to you once

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a week and you can't wait for it
because you know, it contains no

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commercials, no jingles, no
music, no talent, and certainly

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no agenda coming to you from the
affluent suburb of Surrey, known

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as Guilford in the United
Kingdom in the curry manner. I'm

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Adam curry.

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And up here, I'm up here in
northern California, and

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actually is turned to sunny day
again is supposed to rain. I'm

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John C. Dvorak. Hey, John,

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how you doing? It's raining here
in the UK? Of course. Good.

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Yeah, we've had. Let me see
it'll be if it continues to rain

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through tomorrow, it'll be a
solid week of rain. It's been

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really really good. It's been
bad. It's been just crap.

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It's good weather for ducks. To
say that when I was a kid. Oh,

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really? Yeah, good weather. The
point of it was,

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you know, I, you have I think
you've pretty much since

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yesterday or the day before
yesterday, you've been in a very

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foul mood. And I understand why.
And why is that because your

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computer blew up on you?

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Yes, I know. And, of course,
I've had nothing but

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suggestions, none of which work.
And you know, I know what I

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think the hard disk just blew
up. And you know, but that means

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now, here's what's weird. When
Vista first came out, the I got

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a hold of Microsoft, I said any
I need a couple copies of VISTA

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because I want to test it. And
so they sent me like two copies

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of the Ultra. And and then I put
them in a in a drawer or

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somewhere. And that was almost a
year ago. So now I can't find

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them.

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And now you need it desperately
right? To reinstall?

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Well, no, not to reinstall
stuff. I figure I should put a

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VISTA installation on top of the
old one that way and get a

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feeling for what people are
complaining about. And

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oh, you're not running this
thing? What are you running? XP?

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Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought
you were running Vista.

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No, no. And but I'm gonna be
running Vista. But now I can't

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find the disk. So it's if it's
not one thing, it's another it's

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not. You know,

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I was listening to your ranting
on on tech five, I think tech

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five, actually, three minutes of
tech five was about your

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computer problems. And I was
just listening to it. I'm like,

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yeah, man, I remember that. I
remember that before I went back

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to the Mac. I've never had any
of that problem with a Mac ever.

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It's, it's it's a slow news week
anyway. So I figured, Reva was

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and you know, the thing is when
the shows only five minutes or

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so, you know, it's it doesn't
you know, people will listen to

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you ranting for a few minutes.
And then, you know, if it was a

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20 minute show, and I kept doing
it, I'm sure I would lose my

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whole audience.

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Yeah. Hey, listen. I was over in
Europe earlier in the week on

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the continental Europe that is,
and I think I've got a scoop,

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some a minor scoop EJ All right.
Remember the story that came

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out? About the iPhones that half
a million iPhones had never

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showed up on the AT and T
network and they were presumed

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that they had been sold to
China? Or whatever? Yeah, yeah.

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So I'm in Holland. Right. And I
kid you not John. Every third

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cell phone I saw was an iPhone
unlocked working on a local

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network. Everybody has one.
There's no official deal in in

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the Netherlands. And I'm sure
that it's the same in in

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surrounding countries. Of
course, Germany, I think the is

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it available in Germany yet?
Maybe not even officially? I

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don't know. I tell you those
500,000 iPhones. They went to

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Europe, man, they didn't go to
China. Everybody's walking

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around with one all unlocked to
slip in their own this sim card.

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Did you talk to anybody about
where they got one? Did you like

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guy and say, Hey, buddy, where'd
you get? Yeah,

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in fact, I was visiting a friend
of mine who has a television

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production company. And they
were in New York for I don't

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know if they were on a on a
shoot or a conference or

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something. And they bought 50
iPhones for the entire company

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and just bring them back. You
know, it's really cheap,

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obviously, now that the dollar
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$1. Right? Yeah. In other words,
they're getting there. In other

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words, the Europeans get the
phone for essentially half the

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price we have to

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right half the price and you're
not locked into any network

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carrier because you just unlock
it with what are they using? Sim

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Ziff for something, there's some
package out there that you buy

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once you can unlock any iPhone
you want with it. And Dena and I

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saw women walking around saying
something's wrong. I can't

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figure this out. And then you
know, some guy would walk up

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say, Oh, don't worry, I'll just
unlock it again for you. You

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know, it's, it's like culturally
accepted everyone's unlocking

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these iPhones that they buy in
the States. Well, in Europe,

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of course, most phones are
unlocked or you can get them

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online pretty easily. And people
do buy just a phone and when you

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just buy a bear phones unlocked.

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Well, that's not entirely true.
I mean, carriers still try to

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lock you into, you know, into a
subsidised phone. The main

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difference is, you have the
right to buy it unlocked, so

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it'll cost you more. And in
fact, you can go to the Nokia

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store. There's one in Guilford,
and you can walk right in, you

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can get any of their phones with
a contract, which makes the

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phone cheaper. Or you can buy it
completely unlocked and put any

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sim card in it that you wish.

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And I think we're okay with, but
people I think in Europe are

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more aware of the locking thing.
I think only the techies in the

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United States know anything
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Yeah, well, people are aware
because most people by now, you

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know, in the evolution of cell
phones, they they've had

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certainly more than one. And so
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this, you know, also number
portability. You know, that has

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to carry over within a set
amount of time. And this is

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pretty good about that. Here in
Europe. That's all dailies

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businessman, she worked out all
those competition things.

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So she's, she's, she's a thorn
in our side.

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She is not a she's a very smart
woman, somewhat aggressive,

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perhaps and what she does, but
he's on this board.

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Anyway, at least the way and the
worst part about they're making

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these fines in euros, and they
should do in dollars when you

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get a discount

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was at 156. Now $1.56 to the
euro, it's

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my maths would be $100. It's
crazy, John, it's already too

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ridiculous to go to Europe. I
mean, you had to spend twice as

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much money because they have the
normal inflation that we have

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here. So the prices are
comparable, but it's all based

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on the euro. So that's we have
to pay twice as much for

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everything over there. When we
used to have a discount, because

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used to be 80 cents for a Euro
announced a buck 56 Yeah, so

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they'll double so you get to one
six, so that completely double

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within memory, because I was I
think it was about three years

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ago. For me. It was longer than
that maybe five years ago, when

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in the first Bush term, that you
could get the euro for 80 cents,

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and then bake. But then, you
know, after GWS sunk the

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economy,

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yeah, I remember when, when $1
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guilders would be to 2.2 like to
two and a half euros today. And

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that amazing what a reversal.

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So I'm fooling around on the
Dish Network. I'm going through

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all the different channels. And
I and there's a channel that

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cropped up. I was effective
people have the Dish Network. I

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think there's the same thing
with the all the satellite

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systems you use. Sometimes you
have to scan through it and you

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find sample channels and
experimental channels, I found

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something buried and they're
always buried,

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like in when hundreds and then
the high numbers.

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Yeah, high numbers in this case.
9645. Okay.

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What are you doing up there?
John? Isn't that where all the

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porn is as well, you're sampling
something else.

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I don't subscribe to the board.
And I think it was in the hockey

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or something. But anyways, if
anyone's got the dish and

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everything, go to channel 9645.
And there is called the channel

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is called lf one. And I have no
idea what that means. But what

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it is what they're showing is a
nonstop it's about a six. I

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didn't time it and I should have
but it's it's less than 10

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minutes long. But it's, it seems
feels like about six or seven

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minutes, a short movie, that
they keep looping over and over

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and over again, which actually
has interactive features, which

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I thought was interesting. You
can click on something then you

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can interact with it.

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On your remote, you mean you can
press a collared button.

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There's a press actually you
press the enter button, even

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though it's kind of vague, which
button press and it puts you It

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loads an application that allows
you to order a CD and do some

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other things. If you want to
copy the CD, and I think you

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just get a copy of the CD at the
website, but it's it's a movie

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by Shell Oil. And what the
hell's the name of it? I get the

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name. So it's got some stupid
names that

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a movie or is it a like a like a
long form commercial?

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It's not a commercial. It's an
actual movie. It's a drama. It's

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a drama. It starts in 1986 or
1986. It starts in a board

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meeting. And then these guys sit
around say, Well, I know we can

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do better. We don't need and
this guy says well we can do we

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got this new idea. We got to get
the switch down. It's about

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swit. And there's a bunch of
holes in this story. But anyway,

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so they had this meeting and the
next thing you know the next

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semi romance is a guy and a girl
at the beginning and they walk

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off and when the guy says I
think we can improve our

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product. And the girl says I
think we need more public

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pressure and so she goes and
becomes a public person actually

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disappears from the store until
the very end. And then he goes

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on he says I think we can work
within the system. This thing

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moves really fast by the way
because only five minutes you

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And so anyway, so then the guy
moves along somehow and they

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just somebody invented
something. They there's this

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invention and they're making it
in Malaysia called GTL.

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Yeah. Was that Gas to Liquids?
Yeah. gas liquid. Yeah.

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Somebody apparently shell came
up with a process to turn

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natural gas, which is a
commodity that should be used

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for it's as natural gas, it
seems to me, I don't think they

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should process it. To to make
gasoline. Well, no,

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there's all kinds of advantages.
I've actually talked to a buddy

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of mine.

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Here. Yes, it's propaganda. And,

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yeah, my buddy is full of
propaganda towards me. Hey, you

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know, I'm telling you, it's just
it's GT as did that could be

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advantages, but it's pointless.
You know, if you just do better

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refining other other fuels,
you'll get the same product. And

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there's a thread here. Remember,
I used to work at Union oil?

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Yeah, well, North back. Yes.

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There's a thread here. I found
new channel 9645 lf one

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apparently the same. The same
movie is showing up on TiVo as

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well in some video on demand. So
the the thinking here is that

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shell is has bought space. In a
spammy? Yeah,

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who's gonna see this thing? I
mean, it was a fluke, that I

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haven't found it because not
everyone who watches or listens

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to us might check it out. But
you just laugh at it. Anyway, so

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GTL, blah, blah, blah. So
anyway, so they they released a

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G two guys get started. Here's
the story, the story moves on

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real quick. Next thing you know,
we're in the future that says

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something like 15 years later.
And the guy says the guy is

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giving a lecture, the guy who's
working within the system says

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we've got this new fuel and
produces less soot. And, and

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there's a voice in the
background says, When will this

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product actually be
manufactured? And he's done? The

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guy says, turn on the lights. I
want to see who this is. And

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meanwhile, I'm thinking what is
this the guy's a KGB? Licence

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the girl. And so the guy says
all but it's a girly now they're

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friends. You know, Friends,
again, he wants to take her out

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to dinner. So he asked her out
for dinner, everyone chuckles in

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the audience. And then so next
thing, you know, he sees her at

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dinner. And then she's on and
then before they can even eat,

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she does all but the babysitter
call, I gotta go. Boom. The guys

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you know, goes a limp because
the baby says she's married. So

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the all those years have passed.
And he they've gone in different

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directions. And now she's gone
one way and he's gone, the other

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but shell, and all the
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the world and it saved the
world. But meanwhile, so here's

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the big hole is this. At the
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synthetic alternative to diesel.
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the story, I swear to God,
there's no way they're using

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this in diesel engines because
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it and every thing especially in
Los Angeles. They were they kind

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of indicated as being used in
cars as gasoline, as opposed to

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diesel. So there's like, that's
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there's a thing. The apparently
this the factory that was making

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it blew up or some I guess
that's a true story. And it

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says, and then there's a thing
that flashes on the screen that

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says the following and tell me
what is wrong with this. What,

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what stands out in this in this
statement that standard, what

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stands out like a sore thumb,
and here's what it said I wrote

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it down, following the new
restart. And that's referring to

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the refinery, the new bin
Toulon, GTL, fuel was trialled

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in LA, Shanghai, Delft, Berlin
and London. Delft,

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Delft Delta.

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Wait, wait, let me get to go.

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I can answer that one. John, I

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can answer that Shanghai,
Berlin, London and Delft.

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Let me explain. Delft is home to
the very famous Technical

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University, the T u in Delft,
and shell is a big spender on

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the university. All the research
projects are done there Delft is

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quite famous for for his
research. Fine. And for his

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Dutch, Delft, Dutch blue, of
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I believe that there's some
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getting free gas.

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The movies on YouTube, by the
way, just clearing the air.

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Right? That's the name of it. So
anyway, you can also get a DVD

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with it on there. And it says
based on real events, this

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cracks me up. So the anyway, at
the end, it says city emissions

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and there's another quote on the
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fell by 40% towards his by up to
40%. And then there's like a

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little disclaimer, like it was a
drug commercial at the very

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bottom. And it says it's
actually if you haven't read 40%

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If you

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have an erection for over four
hours, please contact your

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doctor immediately.

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Actually, what it says was it's
only between 20 and four ad

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impressions. And when they say
for a joke of it, it is still

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says 20 to 40. But the joke of
it is you can't read this

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disclaimer. I mean, I had to, I
had to do actually do some video

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manipulation to get to things so
it was readable. And

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I said, Well, that's like, all
the disclaimers on the car

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commercials, you know, you get
that final screening at the end,

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the screen is filled with
letters that you can't read.

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There's no time read it, no time
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So it's like a minute. So
they're building a new GTL plant

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in Qatar. They mentioned that.
And I don't know, I just thought

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the whole thing but you know,
but it was what was interesting.

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It was a fast moving story, even
though it was filled with this

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weird hole about the Diesel
versus gasoline. And it was a

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dumb, dumb story, but it was
well produced in terms of a five

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minute movie. And I think it's a
model. It's a model of short

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dramas to be used as propaganda.
Well, people should check it out

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for the advertising

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advertising, propaganda
advertising, maybe the same

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thing. I'm gonna take a look at
it. Maybe we can, can acquire

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it, get the rights to it and
sell commercials against it.

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crazier things have happened
then you never know.

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And talking about corny like the
Delft thing. So I had to load

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Skype. I'm using the laptop.
Because you know, as you know,

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my machine is down. And I had to
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driver for the fast track

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got into it took like half an
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to hear me.

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Yeah, and then when I did hear
you, there doesn't seem to be

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any explanation as to what
changed it fixed itself. Yeah,

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when that happens that someone's
waiting for this computer to do

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that diet. I keep rebooting it
saying Come on, you can fix

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yourself you you've done it
before. Good luck. So anyway, so

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I go to the Skype page. And now
I guess eBay took more so they

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got this corny piece people
should just go to the Skype you

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know download skype.org Download
page or their first page. This

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is corny picture of a grand dad
bottle feeding a baby and, and

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some girl I guess his daughter
was standing over there.

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It's the eBay creative team man.
They're the ones that are doing

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that stupid shit. Like the
Korean

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piece of crap. What's it got to
do with anything? What is it has

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to do with anything they're
trying

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to show happiness and a dream of
togetherness and connectivity?

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John, don't you understand that?

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Dude, they're doing a crappy job
because I found the picture to

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be highly offensive,

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it is offensive. It's insulting
is what it is. Like, why don't

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why don't you look at that. That
makes no sense. You remember I

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told you about the switching
gears here, the auction rate

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securities market. And we were
talking about that about those

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auctions that were failing. So I
picked up an article on

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TechCrunch. And apparently 20%
of venture backed startups had

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been advised by financial
advisors in the valley to put it

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you know, and if they have any
spare cash that they raised,

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which a lot of companies will do
you know, you raise money and

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then all of a sudden there's
millions of dollars in your bank

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account you know, you don't put
it in the checking account. You

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put it where you can get some
some interest off of it. And so

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20% of the companies in Silicon
Valley have put money into the

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auction rate securities and you
know, you couldn't you know,

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they have seven day auctions
every seven days 28 days with 35

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days. And now they can't you
know, the auctions are failing

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so now they can't access their
money. How crazy is that? Isn't

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that awesome?

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Well, let's see. This is
something this is good that you

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knew this in advance you
wouldn't be suckered into that.

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No, no, I would have said Ah,
bad idea. And oh, by the way,

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Bear Stearns Holy crap. This
thing's coming apart at the

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seams man. The money on

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these guys can only turn these
guys can only scam the world for

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so long with this you know,
craziness The gig

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is up but what's so funny is you
know it's still being called the

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subprime crisis you know, horse
shit you know, this is this is

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so much more than it's gonna be
sued for half a trillion dollars

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and now apparently the
government Bernanke and his boys

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are bailing out a lot of these
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They're printing fucking money.
I mean, it's not a coincidence

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that they they literally print
$200 billion Yeah, they say it

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comes from some kind of reserve
but that's not transparent. No

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one can can check on him if it's
true to see if it's true or not.

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And then the dollar of course
devalues another notch. I mean,

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da 200 billion in the
marketplace issuing

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more stock. Yeah, exactly. Like
issuing more stock in a company

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you just did. Everyone gets
diluted. Everybody looked at the

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Dollar as a share of stock In
addition, there's so much of it

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out there. And if they add more
to it, there's the money's worth

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less,

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they just print more and then
Okay, so the automatically all

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the markets just, it's almost
like it's a computer process.

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It's like everyone understands
how that works in the financial

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world. And who's getting
screwed? Why? Because he's and

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what I do, like, by the way, is
it's not like they're giving the

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bank's money, they are printing
the money, which that's where

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the devaluation comes from. But
they're lending it to the banks

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for like, you know, 28 days or
something like that. And other

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banks still won't do business
with them even though they have

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the money for 28 days. So it's
not like the you know, they're

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not like giving it to the banks
but damn look at what they're

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doing to our dollar which is in
essence a hidden tax I guess. If

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your money devalues that's and
the government does it is not

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just another form of tax taking
money out of our pockets, and

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they've given it to us actually,
really good

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point. Yeah, that's exactly what
that's an interesting point.

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Because you know, the Bush he's,
you know, have this thing about

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no taxes and or lower taxes. And
then meanwhile, you get to

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having this happen. I mean, if
you have to pay twice as much

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for something as a 50% tax,
yeah.

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And I wish you could take credit
for that. That's actually a Ron

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Paul line, but you know, it's
true. It's tax pisses me off.

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So did my favourite thing,
though, is that the the lot of

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these executives of these big
companies that have been folded

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left early are giving themselves
big bonuses. Yeah. It's

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it's a great business. That's
what it is. I've done

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such a wonderful job. I couldn't
give myself $100 million bonus

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for, like ruining the company.

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You know, let me just go out on
a limb. You know, come on,

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you've met bankers, you I know
where you're gonna go with this?

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And I don't think you do. Yeah,
go on. Okay. Yeah, I lived and

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worked in New York Bankers Trust
was what was one of our big

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clients back in the day of
thinking of ideas. And, you

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know, those of my clients and so
you take them out, and bankers,

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particularly those that are in
this business trading, the ones

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who, you know, who make all the
money, all these big bonuses,

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because they're putting together
these structured deals, they're

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managing credit and risk and
using derivatives and that just,

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you know, it's it's basically
all electronic money, and it

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clear somewhere in the
background, you know, after

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these guys have gotten their
check, you know, months later is

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when all the clearances are
done, and all the money's

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actually paid if, if ever, but
these days, like horse traders,

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you know, it's it's a certain
type of guy who does this. And

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first I'll say they're not the
they're not, in my humble

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opinion, not super intelligent.
You know, they're sexist.

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Usually, you know, they're, you
know, it's the guys you see a

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strip clubs, that's who's doing
this. I mean, come on, can't you

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see that this is a big scam. You
know what I mean? It's just, you

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know, these Yeah, it's those
guys. You know, he's like, you

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know, those like, sweaty, kind
of little bit overweight, coked

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out, guys, that's who's doing
this shit. And, you know,

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they're, they're buying huge
mansions, they're buying sports

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cars. They're buying women, you
know, who knows what else they

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were buying. And, you know, if
you've ever you've ever seen the

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movie, the smartest guys in the
room, which is the documentary

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about Enron, and you hear them,
when they were controlling the

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energy and creating rolling
blackouts throughout California

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for their own benefit and
profit. You can hear it's these

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kinds of guys.

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You know, I knew that was when
those rolling blackouts were

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going on, you know, I
immediately have him again,

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worked in the oil industry. I
mean, it looked like a scam. To

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me from the get go. And I just
knew it was a phoney bunch of

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black. These things were like
fake, because it was an all we

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have to conserve more, don't use
your air conditioning, all this

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other crap. And watching these
things happen, you know, week

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after week after week. Luckily,
I was on a grid that's part of

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the police department's grid. So
I never I didn't have to deal

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with it. But every time it
happened, it was like this was a

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funniest thing I've ever seen.
And I didn't see like the gut

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that idiot governor Governor
Grey Davis didn't say anything

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about it. He didn't look cute.
He was so naive. He didn't know

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it was a bunch of bull and then
But then what really got me is

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that the science and media
reporters and all the people

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that were in the newspapers,
nobody thought anything they

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instead of saying This is bull
they all set Oh, we have to

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conserve more

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servers. They didn't do any
actual research into it. They

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don't know what the hell they're
writing about. Just just writing

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that was it for me when that
during that rolling blackout

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period, the fact that nobody
could see that it was obviously

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a scam. Yeah, I mean, I could
see it. It was an obvious scam

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to me. That I don't think it's
because I worked in oil company

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but it's just there was just so
artifice, just how But out of

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the blue, all after
privatisation, that seemed like

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a bad idea to be

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exactly. Well, you know, you
take take it right from there

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over to Spitzer. Gosh, that's
been a fascinating story.

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Well, you know, there's a new
twist on the Spitzer story.

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Let me just let's just recap
this for I'm sure many, although

434
00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:24,510
the story actually is spreading
to spreading internationally,

435
00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:28,260
because essentially, I think
everyone gets the basic idea.

436
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:31,680
This is the governor. Wasn't he
also Attorney General before

437
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,300
being before he was governor?
Not Attorney General. He, he was

438
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:36,930
what he

439
00:25:36,930 --> 00:25:39,390
was saying is what some law Guy
Yeah.

440
00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:43,440
He's got a good name too for a
lie. You know, Spitzer,

441
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:45,030
we shouldn't we should look it
up.

442
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,220
Anyway, he was responsible for
he was he was responsible for

443
00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:52,920
stopping payola in the music
business, which of course,

444
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,490
pissed off a lot of people,
particularly in New York. He's

445
00:25:56,490 --> 00:26:00,000
busted up all kinds of, you
know, I think, organised crime

446
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,210
as well, or, you know, real
cartel type stuff. And he's this

447
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:08,970
hard nosed, you know, I'm gonna
kick everyone's ass into shape.

448
00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:12,900
And then he gets caught in a
prostitution ring, where they

449
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:17,040
bust. They bust his prostitution
ring, and he was client number

450
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,740
nine. And and I love it when
when, when these guys get

451
00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:25,170
busted for those in New York
State. I'm sorry, he's in New

452
00:26:25,170 --> 00:26:27,180
York State Attorney General,
right. Attorney General.

453
00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:30,420
Exactly. And the and then he
does this big thing. Like, I'm

454
00:26:30,420 --> 00:26:34,050
sorry, I let my family down. And
why do their wives stand next to

455
00:26:34,050 --> 00:26:36,660
these guys clutching their
pearls? When every single time

456
00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:39,780
that happens, my wife would be
like, standing next to me with a

457
00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:44,070
knife on my dick. She would not
be clutching her pearls. I'm

458
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:44,610
telling you.

459
00:26:44,790 --> 00:26:46,560
I thought she did she do that
anyway.

460
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,230
Only because I like it. But you
know, what's, what's up with

461
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:55,440
that? What kind of deal do you
have to make for your wife to

462
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:59,220
you know, it's like, how do you
get away with this

463
00:26:59,249 --> 00:27:02,219
thing? I'm, I'm gonna link to
this on the blog

464
00:27:02,219 --> 00:27:04,829
divorce.org/blog. But you may
have to look it up. Because

465
00:27:04,829 --> 00:27:08,909
it'll scroll off by the time
anyone hears the show. But

466
00:27:08,999 --> 00:27:13,919
there's a reporter that that
linked this Spitzer's to like

467
00:27:14,099 --> 00:27:18,209
this, there's a belief among
some reporters that because

468
00:27:18,209 --> 00:27:21,719
Spitzer went so hard and heavy
against the bankers,

469
00:27:22,199 --> 00:27:25,679
specifically over these usury
laws, because they were, you

470
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:28,349
know, during this period of all
this, you know, these balloon

471
00:27:28,349 --> 00:27:30,209
payments, all the rest of
there's actually, you know, we

472
00:27:30,209 --> 00:27:32,279
used to have laws in this
country that prevented people

473
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:37,259
from being loan sharks,
essentially, officially, I mean,

474
00:27:37,289 --> 00:27:39,449
if you wanted to go to lunch, or
you got to go to the mob, now

475
00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:43,919
you can just go to the corner,
the money store, the money

476
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:47,969
store, and so there's some
thinking, then they should

477
00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:51,839
document a little bit that he
was actually set up on this. And

478
00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:52,409
I'm sure

479
00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:55,710
he was, there's no doubt it was
a setup. It was perfect. I mean,

480
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:59,070
obviously, he wouldn't have been
set up if he hadn't had these

481
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:01,800
predilections if you know what I
mean, of course, so I mean, if

482
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,520
you're, if you're, if you're a
whoring type of guy, you would,

483
00:28:05,550 --> 00:28:08,730
you know, you can easily be set
up, if he would just play it

484
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:10,470
played a little closer to the
vest, it wouldn't have been

485
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:12,810
something that he would have got
caught, but then, you know,

486
00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:16,320
somehow they suckered him into,
like, doing money transfers in

487
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,130
his own name.

488
00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:21,900
And the thing is, is he was it's
just one of these. And of

489
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,420
course, this is what the human
nature loves this, you know,

490
00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:26,430
when there's someone who's
holier than thou, when that

491
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:30,120
someone in authority, someone
who clearly stands above the

492
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,350
rest, for whatever reason, we
love it, we fucking love it when

493
00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:37,470
they toppled down, you know, and
that's, that's actually the

494
00:28:37,470 --> 00:28:40,620
story that I'm reading over
here. And, and even further

495
00:28:40,620 --> 00:28:44,280
east, is is not about the
background, no one gives a shit

496
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120
about what he did. All they care
about is, hey, here's a guy who

497
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,090
had a big attitude about putting
everybody else in their place.

498
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:55,980
And that's what it is. That's
the news filming.

499
00:28:57,090 --> 00:28:59,430
Right, but let me read you let
me read you this little entry

500
00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:02,730
from Wikipedia that somebody
dropped in here. As Attorney

501
00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:05,670
General Spitzer took cases
relating to corporate white

502
00:29:05,670 --> 00:29:08,670
collar crime, securities fraud,
internet fraud and environmental

503
00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:11,580
protection. He most notably
pursued cases against companies

504
00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:16,380
involved in Trump's involved in
computer chip price fixing

505
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,000
investment bank stock price,
inflation, and the 2003 mutual

506
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,630
funds scandal. He also sued
Richard Grasso, the former

507
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:27,000
chairman and the New York Stock
Exchange claiming had failed to

508
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,250
fully inform the board of
directors of his deferred

509
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:34,230
compensation package which
exceeded $140 million. Wow. So

510
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:37,560
so if you're gonna go be this
kind of guy, yeah, you gotta.

511
00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:40,890
You gotta keep your dick in your
pants is the basic message.

512
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:45,030
Exactly. Wow. So seriously,
there's that he? So he

513
00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:49,590
essentially was a do gooder.
That probably was been a benefit

514
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:52,500
to the public at large, who
essentially took himself out of

515
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:53,940
the picture because he's a jerk.

516
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:57,240
And don't you think that is that
attitude is just rampant

517
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,870
throughout all administration,
John, I mean, Isn't isn't that

518
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,800
obvious? What's what's been
going on for decades, maybe,

519
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:09,630
maybe centuries, maybe all of
humankind? You know, we'll we'll

520
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:12,150
make everything okay for
everybody and shut up and do

521
00:30:12,150 --> 00:30:14,760
what we say in the meantime, I'm
gonna start filling my back

522
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,510
pockets.

523
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:22,830
Yeah, well, especially in this
era. I mean, they could do it.

524
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,320
The thing that bothers me, I
think you're probably right. But

525
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,320
the thing that is that's kind of
bothersome and worrisome. And

526
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,940
that the publish is that how
blatant? Does it have to get

527
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:35,100
before the public actually gives
a shit?

528
00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:40,560
We've been numbed and dumbed
down, you know, again, so you

529
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,020
know, that's, that's what it is.
It's a society of spectacle. We

530
00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:48,510
want to see just people getting
in trouble. We don't care if

531
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:52,650
it's David Beckham, Britney
Spears, or or Spitzer. We just

532
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:56,400
that's our entertainment, you
know, and now we're not thinking

533
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,400
about what it really means. I
mean, I grew up in a generation

534
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,520
that just got so numbed by, you
know, rhetoric and confusion.

535
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:08,940
You know, nowhere in the world
have I ever been in any type of

536
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:11,220
election, that was clear how it
fucking work. Look at the

537
00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:15,180
American process. The rest of
the world is like, Is it over

538
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:20,520
yet? Is that is that is that guy
the president yet? Or who what

539
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,410
happened? You know, it's like,
the primaries were hyped so much

540
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:27,930
that, you know, it's like,
everyone's confused. They just

541
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:30,120
don't understand. Well, now, I
think they kind of understand.

542
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,580
But yeah, all right. Well,
forget about it. Now, it looks

543
00:31:32,580 --> 00:31:36,960
like it's going to be a bit, you
know, between those three, and

544
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560
people just don't care, man.
They don't care, because we're

545
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,620
taking care of so well, you
know, these things don't affect

546
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:48,000
us anymore. I think governments
have figured out, you know, keep

547
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,360
the trains running don't even
have to be on time. You know,

548
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:54,990
keep some money flowing, and
everyone else Shut up.

549
00:31:57,780 --> 00:32:00,000
Well, that's apparently the
case, unfortunately.

550
00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:05,280
Yeah. That's why that is why my
friends, you need to start

551
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,600
supporting this programme.

552
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:11,310
Yeah, you know, that's we're
gonna have to, you know, I was

553
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:15,000
thinking about that I was
looking at some public TV stuff.

554
00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:17,010
And of course, we'd have gotten
some notes from people saying,

555
00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:19,350
Yeah, well, you know, I might
kick in $1. No, people

556
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:22,950
like Leo's model, which is like
two bucks a month on a recurring

557
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:26,400
payment schedule. I mean, come
on. That's, that's 50 cents.

558
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:33,060
So the, I was looking at the
couple of public broadcasting

559
00:32:33,150 --> 00:32:35,460
people, and they have this
interesting, they had it one of

560
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:41,250
them had a breakdown of how they
finance themselves. And it was

561
00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:47,550
55% were personal contributions.
40% were grants. Dead 10% was

562
00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:49,680
the government and there was a
bunch of you know, that the

563
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:52,290
Corporation for Public
Broadcasting and these, the

564
00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:55,650
funny thing is about that, of
course, is that the 10% or less,

565
00:32:55,650 --> 00:32:59,280
in fact, that was eight is the
stuff that they squawked about

566
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,050
the most all these public
broadcasting and when the

567
00:33:01,050 --> 00:33:03,360
Corporation for Public
Broadcasting, you know, got

568
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,060
taken over by the Bush
administration, and they, you

569
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:10,290
know, got rid of the left wing
do gooders in the right wing do

570
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:13,140
gooders. And so I was squawking,
but I'm thinking this is not

571
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:15,480
where they were, you know, this
is just a piece of it. Well,

572
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:15,570
it's

573
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:20,700
the real power, the real power
in and public broadcasting is

574
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:24,180
with the affiliates. I was
following a story a week or two

575
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:27,870
ago, where all of this money
that has been spent on

576
00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:32,130
podcasting, and interactive
stuff and websites is now all

577
00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:34,770
being re appropriated. And the
money's going back to the

578
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:37,380
affiliates. They have some
ultimate power over this

579
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:41,220
process. I'm not quite sure how
it works, but they clearly

580
00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:43,770
couldn't tell homebase what
needs to happen when they group

581
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:44,370
together.

582
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,040
Well, I used to have a public
radio show and it was always it

583
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,500
was a pain, it was painful
experience to get anyone to pick

584
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:57,660
up the show. And which I think
is generally true with where

585
00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:00,840
it's wide open is like
syndication as opposed to

586
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,000
networks. Right. And, and
they've the problem in radio.

587
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,350
And I think this is what's
interesting about this

588
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:10,620
podcasting thing is that people
do the people that debt, figure

589
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:14,160
out how to use it, especially
automated, really like it

590
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,740
because it gives them a
different perspective on things.

591
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:18,960
There's less you know, in this
case of our show, there's no

592
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,680
commercials. But the thing is,
is that the guys in radio, and I

593
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,770
don't think the public generally
appreciate this, even though if

594
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:29,160
you listen to Jim Rome, he's
always bitching about what he

595
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,620
calls monkeys that run these
stations, right and any Gen

596
00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:37,260
he'll go on and on. In fact, he
had a great story the other day

597
00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:41,550
where he wanted some affiliate
he was bad mouthing some city

598
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:43,560
not really bad man. He was
quoting from a newspaper article

599
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,100
in that city and the and the
local. When he called the radio

600
00:34:47,130 --> 00:34:52,680
monkey got on. And since that he
has to apologise to the city I

601
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,470
think it was Baltimore
Philadelphia somebody and he

602
00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:58,140
says are and we're giving them
48 hours or we're going to roll

603
00:34:58,140 --> 00:35:02,910
the show for free We're gonna
pull the show and bring said, Oh

604
00:35:02,910 --> 00:35:04,980
yeah, I'm pulling the show and
he just killed the show and

605
00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:10,260
rivage another station. High
demand. Yeah. So they so this

606
00:35:10,260 --> 00:35:13,890
guy shot himself in the foot,
but the but the public in

607
00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:18,180
general doesn't realise it in
radio in particular. The guys

608
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:21,300
that run these stations from the
station manager, the programme

609
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:24,060
director are extremely stupid.

610
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:26,970
Yeah, they're like the bankers.
It's the same kind of guy. They

611
00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:30,120
all hang out together to drinkin
and Horan.

612
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:32,580
Well, they're not Well, I
wouldn't put him in the same

613
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:35,070
league as bankers because I to
be honest, I don't think too

614
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:40,170
many of them go to strip clubs,
but the they're not the they're,

615
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:44,400
they're stupid. I mean, in a
really funny kind of way that is

616
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:45,630
indefinable.

617
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:49,620
And they'll drag like, amen.
Amen. I'll talk like this. Amen.

618
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:51,690
Are you doing? I heard I shipped
this morning. It sounded pretty

619
00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:55,200
good. Uh, John, I don't hotlines
your man.

620
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:57,660
Yeah. Well, that's different
than the public radio guy. Oh,

621
00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:00,420
call your radio. Guys aren't the
Jive talkers that you think and

622
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:06,180
Okay, I'm sorry, guys are
bankers who would like to more

623
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:06,990
or less they want to be

624
00:36:07,169 --> 00:36:09,959
they want to be the president,
the president of NBC is what

625
00:36:09,959 --> 00:36:10,649
they want to be.

626
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,210
They want to be that and they
are a professor, right. Okay.

627
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,450
And they think highly of
themselves. And they just love

628
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:22,440
the fact that they can, that
they have power. And they can,

629
00:36:22,590 --> 00:36:25,680
and they make decisions,
programming decisions based on

630
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,630
what they perceive as the public
need and

631
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:31,680
their decisions affects people's
lives, not just of the station,

632
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,240
the station operators, but also
those of the public at large. I

633
00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:37,410
have the power.

634
00:36:40,350 --> 00:36:42,720
But anyway, so it is very
disappointing to work in that

635
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:47,670
media. Yeah. Stay, the TV guys
are much better, but they're

636
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:49,770
least got something on the bone.
They're better looking

637
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:56,970
to bring it back, though, to
bring it back. So I still am

638
00:36:56,970 --> 00:37:01,260
hoping that someone comes up
with some grant somewhere. But I

639
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:04,140
think that's that's the most
elegant way of funding this

640
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:08,340
programme. But I'll certainly
take donations,

641
00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:12,480
yeah, it would be good. Well, we
have to come up with some

642
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,020
scheme.

643
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,170
And we really do have to I mean,
we put a lot of effort into it.

644
00:37:18,810 --> 00:37:22,740
How much? How much? How much
whether it's our view or what is

645
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,960
our listenership currently? Do
you have any idea? Yeah,

646
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:31,230
I'd say, yeah, it's growing. But
it's, it's between 15 and

647
00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:32,010
20,000.

648
00:37:34,050 --> 00:37:39,090
That's listen episode. Yeah, per
episode. Yeah. That's, that's

649
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:43,950
about the listenership of a
reasonably popular local radio

650
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:44,400
show.

651
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,990
Well, that kind of depends on
transmitter size depends on

652
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:54,720
market. I mean, that that's not
entirely true. But I think we

653
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,150
can get this to 100, we should
be able to get this to 100,000.

654
00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:00,030
I mean, that should be possible.
If we, if it doesn't, I think

655
00:38:00,030 --> 00:38:02,880
that for at least it should be
growing consistently month over

656
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,670
month. And we should it is well,
we

657
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:10,530
get Yeah, we should get to
100,000 at 100,000, at 1% of

658
00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:15,870
those people will probably chip
in. I mean, can't expect much

659
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:20,760
more than that. And that's 1000
people. Yeah. So you know, and

660
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,950
we don't want and somebody said,
Well, you know, whatever you do,

661
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:28,710
don't do Bo telethons or
whatever it is that I think, put

662
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:29,820
a Pay Pal button.

663
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:32,040
Well, we'll we'll do good
telephony.

664
00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:36,960
I mean, it would be funnier than
how we could do an auction. Oh,

665
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,050
we

666
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:40,380
can do an auction we can. We can
have celebrities on taking

667
00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:45,660
calls. And taking money. There's
nothing like a celebrity to come

668
00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:46,740
on the show or take on

669
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:48,120
a lot of good voices. You know,

670
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,820
we can get some celebrities.
Yeah, that's true. I'm sure we

671
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:53,910
get celebrities. Who would you
want? But let's go after one.

672
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,920
You tell me I'm sure. I'm sure
within within one week, we can

673
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,680
track down anybody we want. And
they'll come on the show.

674
00:39:04,050 --> 00:39:07,260
Let's see. Well, first they'd
have to be interested in you

675
00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:07,920
know, in some

676
00:39:07,950 --> 00:39:10,770
Oh, you're working backwards
man. Shoot for the stars. Who do

677
00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:13,500
you want? I'm sure we can get to
him.

678
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:17,340
Who's the hottest stars right
now? Let's get Tom Cruise.

679
00:39:17,370 --> 00:39:21,720
He's not hard. He's lame. It's
totally lame. Let's get Angelina

680
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:22,200
Jolie

681
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:28,500
right now. She's pregnant. Tom
Cruise is up. She came I like to

682
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,790
do it. You know, that's a good
question. I'm not a big

683
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:36,870
celebrity Maven. So I'm not done
off the top of my head. Nothing.

684
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:38,850
Oh, you that person. I'd love to
get them on.

685
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,370
I like talking to you, man. I
like there's there's I don't

686
00:39:44,370 --> 00:39:46,740
think there's anybody I'd really
be interested in talking to

687
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:51,120
Well, no, of course there are
some people we should get to

688
00:39:51,629 --> 00:39:53,939
George Clooney. Sounds like a
guy you'd like to have a beer

689
00:39:53,939 --> 00:39:54,239
with?

690
00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:59,220
Yeah, I like him a lot. He
GEORGE Yeah, he I don't know

691
00:39:59,220 --> 00:40:03,870
personally He does seem very
personable. He's personal. Yeah.

692
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,670
And he's kind of like, like old
Hollywood WDS case on the

693
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:11,190
shortlist. He's kind of like old
Hollywood. You know, that's what

694
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:15,540
I like about him. You know, he
kind of has that Cary Grant kind

695
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:19,410
of vibe. You know? Like, he'll
Don't worry, ladies. George will

696
00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:22,440
take care. You know, he's pretty
cool guy.

697
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:27,000
That's just the role he's
playing. Yeah, of course. Well,

698
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:30,420
he knows that he's milking it.
Yeah, and

699
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:31,560
your point would be

700
00:40:34,830 --> 00:40:38,760
our guys probably been fun to
have a beer with. Okay, who

701
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,830
else? That'd be cool to have on
Eliot Spitzer.

702
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:50,460
I can get to what's that guy?
Murray Sabourin. I can get him

703
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:52,050
on. He's running for Senate.

704
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,930
I know it's one of your crackpot
balls.

705
00:40:58,019 --> 00:41:01,649
I haven't spoken to him yet. He
called he wants to be on the

706
00:41:01,649 --> 00:41:01,979
show

707
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,630
this evening. Get Steve Ballmer.
Hey, what are we going to show?

708
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:06,900
You know, we're

709
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:11,190
not gonna have nutcases as a
nutcase. Man. I have nothing to

710
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:14,010
ask him what Ballmer it but I'm
not going to ask him I'm not

711
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:16,800
interested. Yet. You know what,
let's get him on the phone and

712
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,380
ask him for Fox. You know, let's
ask him how you delete that

713
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:22,920
stupid file that's making your
your laptop grew. Your computer

714
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,660
crashed. Let's ask him that.

715
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:27,510
That's the registry.

716
00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:30,450
Yeah, here. Steve. Could you
come over and fix John's

717
00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:32,820
registry? Please? He really
needs your help.

718
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:39,180
Yeah. Okay. Let's say you don't
like Ballmer.

719
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,880
I didn't say that. I'm just not
interested. What about one of

720
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,840
the Google Now? Not interested?
Not interested? Well, I mean,

721
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,920
you know, I'm interested in
utility affairs. No, no tech

722
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,780
guys, please. Although I do
although I do think Hollywood if

723
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:58,560
you if you got Steve Jobs into
into the right zone into the

724
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,740
right spot, which, you know,
it's just never been done. Do

725
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:04,170
it. It's never been done.
Exactly. But that that will be

726
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:05,850
interesting. I'm sure that will
be entertained.

727
00:42:08,070 --> 00:42:10,470
Probably wouldn't be but you
know, he's I've been blackballed

728
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:15,180
from his talk to list for 20
years, at least. Really, what

729
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:20,190
did you do? years ago? Oh, well,
one. Well, you know, he has a

730
00:42:20,190 --> 00:42:23,610
long memory and he has an NS
short list of blackballed

731
00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:29,070
people. I'm one of them. And he
would happen was when he quit

732
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:34,500
the first time, you know, back
in the John Sculley era, I had

733
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:37,620
written, I was writing for The
Inside Track column for

734
00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:42,600
InfoWorld. At the time, it's
80s, early 80s. And I had

735
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:49,560
written the headline, Steve
Jobs. Good riddance. And that

736
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,570
was it. Okay, I know, I welcomed
him. I'm sorry,

737
00:42:54,690 --> 00:42:57,600
I was gonna say I can see where
that might be a little problem.

738
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,400
So, but even though I have
praised him, sans because I

739
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,070
think he did a good job of
turning the company around. He's

740
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:12,570
not the type of person who he's
not a forgiving type of person

741
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:17,040
who's ever going to talk to me.
So that's the end of that. Oh,

742
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,480
well, but hey, I don't hold
back. I mean, I got to ban I get

743
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,820
this thing here. I got to put
this on the blog. This is kind

744
00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:29,610
of funny. So I find this in my
piles of paper. Where is it?

745
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,890
It's a memo. Here it is. I got
some copies, you know, there was

746
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:41,460
this case, comas versus
Microsoft. No, and they it was a

747
00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:44,370
big it was a lot one of these
iOS some little place sued

748
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:46,320
Microsoft, they didn't think
they got enough money on the

749
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,680
antitrust settlement. So they
sued Microsoft for continued you

750
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,700
know, violations of whatever,
and went into discovery and

751
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,160
picked up even more documents
that they never nobody's ever

752
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:02,520
seen before. And so I have my
I'm on a list. Curiously enough

753
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,170
with Mark per Cal, who's my
computer time sysop for the

754
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:11,640
blog, which is weird, but it
says it's a plaintiffs exhibit

755
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:16,710
number 1386, comas vs Microsoft,
Microsoft Windows, Ms beta

756
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:21,660
programmes and it says at the
top do not send or give any

757
00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:23,640
information to the below

758
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,340
and it says John C. Dvorak.

759
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:34,230
No, they left the C out, which
is kind of annoying. But the but

760
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:41,040
they have me in there with with
some crackpots, which is kind of

761
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,490
that's kind of weird though.
marks on here. That's I mean,

762
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,750
I'm the Mark and I are the only
two people that are except for

763
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:57,660
al l. Li Mia, Joba tag Leah and
Joan Brewer who was a

764
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,810
essentially kind of a stalker
because she And he says brewers

765
00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:04,830
aliases Joan Jett Redmond rose
William Tell Vogue image blah

766
00:45:04,830 --> 00:45:07,800
blah blah right she was a had a
crush on Bill and his drink

767
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,550
making him crazy and I guess he
was an employee or something

768
00:45:12,090 --> 00:45:16,860
anyway then just got so those
are the that and then Mark per

769
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:22,530
Cal are the are the and then
Gerard Franken of BHV some some

770
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:26,370
some company in Germany or
Netherlands do not give

771
00:45:26,370 --> 00:45:32,100
information to Geo works go IBM
profound computer which was

772
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,290
funny about the IBM things is
there are partners at the time

773
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:38,190
area puzzle system Santa Cruz
operations and they have the

774
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:43,470
names of the people who set for
me they say who set who told

775
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:47,310
them to put them on the list,
Sun Microsystems Vera test and

776
00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:50,520
then and then it says do not
give any information about ms

777
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,550
dos 5.0 rom das which I don't
know what that even though it

778
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:58,350
ever came out to Apple, computer
time Mark for Cal comp you think

779
00:45:58,410 --> 00:46:04,770
digital research. Gio works go
John Dvorak. multisoft

780
00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:08,160
you're in good company, my
friend. That's a good list.

781
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,870
Excellent. Congratulations.

782
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:13,500
No, yeah, you know, that's what
I'm thinking. I mean, at least

783
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,870
you know, it shows that I'm not
one of the you know, normally

784
00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:21,570
corrupt types who cover this
stuff. There you go. Because one

785
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:23,670
of the things is I'm always
busting them to because they

786
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:28,200
used to do this meeting down in,
in the Hood Canal Bill Gates is

787
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,190
a mansion somewhere in the Hood
Canal area of, of Western

788
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:37,650
Washington. And they would
invite all the boys to spend the

789
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:40,710
night with Bill and the big
Lodge and this would include

790
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:45,270
John Markoff and Walt Mossberg
and everybody that you can think

791
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:48,870
of that writes about Microsoft
and they bring him in and then

792
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:52,170
have a song and dance and they
brainwashed him as best they

793
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:55,200
could put them up and feed them
and fly him out I think they

794
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,290
both of these guys would have
their own company fly them out

795
00:46:58,290 --> 00:47:02,010
because it was it was unethical
for them to get a free aeroplane

796
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:05,490
ride. Anyway that which is the
part of the whole scam but

797
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,550
meanwhile they're they're you
know schmoozing with these guys

798
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:11,610
and feeling good about it. So
anyway, so I found out about

799
00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:14,370
these meetings that were once a
year and because I was never

800
00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:17,790
invited, and I just blew the lid
off the whole thing told them

801
00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:19,050
what they were doing. And also

802
00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:23,640
what were they doing like water,
water, Cannon fights, water

803
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,450
balloon fights, pillow fights,
hot dog eating contests, beer

804
00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:30,360
guzzling guy can only win

805
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:33,360
the corrupt. It seemed like a
corrupt practice, of course,

806
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:33,780
where

807
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:35,820
did you run? It was where do you
write about that?

808
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,350
I wrote about I think in PC
Magazine and insight track, and

809
00:47:40,350 --> 00:47:43,980
I just pretty much outline the
whole thing was who was there?

810
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:48,000
And you know, I didn't name all
the names, but only they made a

811
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,430
point that this was like a
corrupt practice. And that was

812
00:47:50,430 --> 00:47:51,720
and that was it last time they
did it.

813
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:55,110
Oh, man. That's why you would
probably vote everybody. Yeah,

814
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:56,760
of course. No, this

815
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,980
is this. This is this was his 10
years earlier. Well, this thing

816
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:02,880
is none.

817
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:05,880
Oh, you totally. We are a party
pooper. You spoiled it for

818
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,290
everybody. Dvorak you're off the
list. Party pooper. You are a

819
00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:13,800
big ass party pooper. Nice so
being

820
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,010
a party pooper and all that's
why Steve Jobs is not gonna come

821
00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:19,260
on our show. Hey, you know
Ballmer, actually, I do

822
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:25,650
correspond. Go ahead. I say do
correspond with Ballmer once in

823
00:48:25,650 --> 00:48:29,370
a while. I mean, I'm still on
good terms with him. I know Bill

824
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,450
do took a dislike to me some
years ago. And you know, he

825
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:35,910
acknowledges me when he sees me.
He's Hi, John. How you doing?

826
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:40,110
And that's the end of it. But
it's not a big fan of mine.

827
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:43,980
Ballmer probably doesn't
necessarily like me, but he's,

828
00:48:44,010 --> 00:48:45,450
you know, he's, we're civil.

829
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:50,310
I have about a once a year
three, three email exchange with

830
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:56,610
jobs. Now, one, really, yeah,
once in a while, he'll send me I

831
00:48:56,610 --> 00:49:01,140
mean, it's happened twice.
Right. Since I met him that he

832
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:03,600
sent me something and I've sent
him something and it's usually

833
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,940
one of those, you know, thought
you would enjoy reading this

834
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:09,210
blog. And I'll say thank you.
bloemen. It's over. Right. Or Or

835
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:14,340
the other way around? I like
him. He's. Yeah, I thought it

836
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:15,180
was an okay guide.

837
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,340
Most people don't. The he does.
He has his little short list of

838
00:49:23,340 --> 00:49:28,830
people that he will send
observations to hoping that they

839
00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:32,580
pick them up and run with them.
Yeah. I can't remember the last

840
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:34,770
time he did this, but it was
recently and it would he said

841
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:37,980
something to always be some sort
of a like a zinger. It sends a

842
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:41,040
zinger out to specific people
hoping that one of them picks it

843
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,100
up without attribution. He
doesn't care about that. He just

844
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:46,710
wants the zinger, which is
usually a one liner that's

845
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:50,580
highly critical of a of a
competitor to be used, and go to

846
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:54,630
get into the public domain. And
not too many CEOs do that. I

847
00:49:54,630 --> 00:50:00,570
don't think that many even think
of the idea but Generally

848
00:50:00,570 --> 00:50:01,800
speaking, I write my own
material.

849
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:10,350
That was earlier this morning.
This afternoon. I was horsing

850
00:50:10,350 --> 00:50:13,470
around a little bit surfing
around a bit. And I happened

851
00:50:13,470 --> 00:50:18,090
upon that the SXSW interview
that Sarah Lacy did with Mark

852
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:21,450
Zuckerberg. Bright and

853
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:23,100
poor Sarah. Well,

854
00:50:23,129 --> 00:50:25,709
you know, is interested in
cranky geeks if you will. And I

855
00:50:25,709 --> 00:50:27,959
also watch cranky geeks where
you indeed mentioned you were

856
00:50:27,959 --> 00:50:31,049
gonna try and get her on maybe
for next week. And I was looking

857
00:50:31,049 --> 00:50:34,379
at that video and I'd seen her
on cranky geeks maybe two months

858
00:50:34,379 --> 00:50:39,959
ago. I'm just guessing it was
about that long ago. And and I

859
00:50:39,959 --> 00:50:43,169
remember we had a conversation
at that time I said, you know,

860
00:50:43,169 --> 00:50:47,129
she's not really my type. But
for some reason that South by

861
00:50:47,129 --> 00:50:50,729
Southwest she looked pretty hot.
Tells me something's different.

862
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:52,950
I don't know that you can even
see her that close. I mean, the

863
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:56,010
one thing I thought was weird is
that whoever shooting that video

864
00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:59,760
they had at some angle her she
was I don't know, she had her

865
00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:04,950
legs on a be on a on a hammer.
Had she heard laser weapon, the

866
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:09,120
era? From the camera angle? Or
like, at face level? Yes. That

867
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:14,040
tick two of the boxes? Yes.
Okay. against a wall. While

868
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,530
that's probably what you're
looking at being the linkman

869
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:16,980
that you are.

870
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:19,350
It's almost now though some
other ancillary video, you know,

871
00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:21,930
people interviewed or after the
fact and there's some YouTube

872
00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:26,310
stuff, and she just looked good.
She looked really sexy. She's

873
00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:31,260
a very flirty girl. And I think
it didn't go over well with that

874
00:51:31,260 --> 00:51:36,450
audience of you know, Metro
sexuals that go to that s by

875
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:37,560
Southwest thing.

876
00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:39,900
Have you ever been to South by
Southwest? I've never been

877
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:41,880
myself. So now I don't have time

878
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,420
for this stuff. I mean, I can't
even clean my office. Going down

879
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:53,250
to Austin. Why should I just
spend a couple $1,000 going to

880
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:57,450
Austin to party listen to a band
and drink beer. I can do that in

881
00:51:57,450 --> 00:52:00,180
San Francisco. Yeah, but like a
lot less money.

882
00:52:00,450 --> 00:52:03,300
But then you're interactive,
dude. You gotta be hip and

883
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,750
interactive. John C interactive
Dvorak.

884
00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:12,420
Interactive with what? With
other people with a bunch of

885
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:15,540
people you're never going to see
again. That happened to live

886
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:17,730
down the street from you. I
mean, the thing that bugs me the

887
00:52:17,730 --> 00:52:20,370
most is you go in, it's like,
Oh, yeah. Hey, I haven't seen

888
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:23,640
you for a long time. Yeah,
Louis. Well, you're, you're in

889
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,070
Berkeley too. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
We're both the young guy from

890
00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:28,950
two blocks away. Oh, cool. We
should do lunch. Oh, yeah,

891
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:32,100
absolutely. We're gonna do
lunch. cards you get exchanged.

892
00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:33,990
year goes by nothing.

893
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:40,830
That's funny. It's exactly the
way it is. I hate it. You should

894
00:52:40,830 --> 00:52:44,370
Cup this year. Oh, wait, I'm
going to add, um, you should be

895
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:49,050
my guest. I want you to come to
the portable media expo. It'll

896
00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:53,160
be in Vegas this year. This is
what was the podcast Expo? I

897
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,420
think it's an August, you have
to come? You will. I mean, you

898
00:52:57,420 --> 00:53:02,790
think conferences are strange.
Wait until you see this one.

899
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:08,670
What's so strange about it, that
I haven't seen something similar

900
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:10,680
to like the game developers, for
example.

901
00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:19,500
The audience at the portable
media expo is it's just

902
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:25,050
fantastic to observe that it
really is. Because you know, you

903
00:53:25,050 --> 00:53:29,010
have to understand that everyone
who's there is probably a

904
00:53:29,010 --> 00:53:32,910
producer. And everyone who's
there is also listening to all

905
00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:36,930
the other people. So everyone is
a star and a fan at the same

906
00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:41,670
time. And you just see all these
these dynamics going on. It's

907
00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:45,300
it's a fascinating thing to
watch. It really is. Because

908
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,220
people are getting props to
like, you know, when someone

909
00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:50,310
comes up and says, Hey, look at
your name badge. Hey, you're the

910
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:55,890
you're the dude from the pickle
podcast. You know, I also see

911
00:53:55,890 --> 00:54:00,390
that you're wearing the podcast
pickle suit. You know, I

912
00:54:00,390 --> 00:54:03,540
listened to you. You know, and
that's a big deal. You know,

913
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:06,660
when people say, I listened to
your show, it makes you feel

914
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:12,180
good. And it gives you some kind
of, I don't know, chemical

915
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:17,250
reaction. Offset, usually by
lots of alcohol.

916
00:54:18,810 --> 00:54:21,300
Yeah, well, I mean, you know,
maybe if they invite me to

917
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:22,080
speak, I'll come.

918
00:54:22,260 --> 00:54:24,690
Will you Hey, dude, you should
do the keynote. They're always

919
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:26,460
looking for a keynote. I've
refused that.

920
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:30,840
No, man is it isn't that two
guys who charge you to do the

921
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,160
keynote kind of things that I

922
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,290
think they've I think they've
figured that one out. I think

923
00:54:34,290 --> 00:54:38,010
they've changed that and, and
I'm sure they'll pay you.

924
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:40,920
They'll pay to come to the
keynote. That'd be hilarious.

925
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:45,450
Yeah, well, maybe I get some
somebody throw something at me.

926
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:46,770
So I'm

927
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:50,460
going to investigate. I'm going
to I'm gonna get you as a

928
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:53,520
keynote. At PMA you'll be great.

929
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:57,270
Well, I do have a few speeches.

930
00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:02,280
Now we have to do a new One can
just use something. Yeah,

931
00:55:02,550 --> 00:55:06,450
I could do a new media speech
from scratch. It's not a big

932
00:55:06,450 --> 00:55:06,780
deal.

933
00:55:06,990 --> 00:55:09,240
Well, the only thing it has to
be about is how to make money.

934
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,940
Because that's really the only
thing anyone ever talks about,

935
00:55:11,970 --> 00:55:15,060
oh, well, let's get our begging
thing going together. And then I

936
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:17,910
can explain how that works. How
to make money.

937
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,660
Yep, that's what it's all about
monetization. My friend is all

938
00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:25,140
about how to make money. People
love doing this shit. They just

939
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:26,820
want to get paid for it. That's
it

940
00:55:28,140 --> 00:55:29,700
wouldn't be it would be better.

941
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:31,770
Yeah, it makes everything
better.

942
00:55:33,810 --> 00:55:36,240
And the fact of the matter is,
if you have like 100,000

943
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,420
listeners, it seems to me
there's money to be made.

944
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:43,830
There's gotta be, but again, I
think the grant I think that's

945
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:48,300
the way to go. I mean, as
everyone pitches in, because

946
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:50,550
it's your tax money or whatever.
And sometimes it can be a

947
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:54,210
private foundation, I guess.
That's handing out a grant that

948
00:55:54,210 --> 00:55:57,990
there's gotta be one out there
for some. Currently, there's a

949
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:59,040
fair programme

950
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,960
tonne of them out there. The
problem is you have to be a

951
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,350
grantsmanship person. You know,
there's people that specialise

952
00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:05,760
in this as a business. I know.

953
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,400
And we've mentioned this before,
but we need someone to step up,

954
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,190
you know, step up to the plate
with your grantsmanship and get

955
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:17,820
us a grant already. Yeah. That
would be perfect. I think we get

956
00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:22,440
it well. We'll have to keep
begging I guess. I just want to

957
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,990
beg for a grant. That's much
more interesting to me than

958
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,270
little bits and pieces.

959
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:33,510
I'll, I'm all for it. I think we
should get him a MacArthur.

960
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,190
Where are those people when we
need them?

961
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,430
Or the Arthur Daniel Midlands
company?

962
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,790
Oh, well, you know, that's I
don't know if I want to take

963
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:44,010
their money. Of course now, I
probably would

964
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,680
not, aren't they Millett
Military Industrial Complex

965
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,250
guys.

966
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:51,330
They're the ones who are like,
you know, making you know, as

967
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,710
grow corn and soy, another week
prices jacked way out, right? I

968
00:56:55,710 --> 00:57:00,060
mean, at Arthur Daniels, those
guys and Monsanto are not

969
00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:04,230
companies that want to do
business with? Well, it's just I

970
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:07,590
don't think they're doing
anybody a favour. Let's put it

971
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:11,610
that way. I mean, they're doing
what they do. I mean, their

972
00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:14,880
shareholders, I guess. I'm sure
the executives get paid well,

973
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,450
but just you know, I'm not you
know, the people in Monsanto

974
00:57:18,450 --> 00:57:21,270
sued a couple of journalists
down in Florida or someplace,

975
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:24,240
some, I should look that up and
refer to it because it was kind

976
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,450
of disgusting. These people just
bitching about the fact that I

977
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:30,150
think we had to what the BST
that crappy give the cows and

978
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:33,780
make them produce more milk. And
they were trying to blow the lid

979
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:36,030
off of something or other and
they might sell, I guess,

980
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:40,650
decided to sue them. And, you
know, just as harassment suit,

981
00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:43,800
and that was the end of that. So
I don't know,

982
00:57:44,490 --> 00:57:49,260
just as an as an update, final
update, I guess

983
00:57:50,310 --> 00:57:54,510
PricewaterhouseCoopers got back
to me, they now have the new tax

984
00:57:54,510 --> 00:57:57,480
rules that go into effect April
8 here in the United in the

985
00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:03,300
United Kingdom. And this, of
course, is the non domiciled tax

986
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:08,160
status that I'm most interested
in. Okay, so they've changed a

987
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,660
few things, it is going into
effect, it'll affect people who

988
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:15,990
have lived in the United Kingdom
for seven years. So I have a

989
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:18,600
couple more years to go before
all of it takes effect, but some

990
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,140
of it takes effect immediately.
But essentially, you will be

991
00:58:22,140 --> 00:58:29,070
taxed worldwide. Unless you pay
30,000 pounds per year to

992
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:32,220
basically have the UK say okay,
whatever you want to make

993
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:36,180
outside of the UK is your
business. However, here's the

994
00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:40,800
interesting thing. Regardless,
and this actually, this starts

995
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,990
now regardless of whether you're
a domiciled or non domiciled,

996
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,520
regardless of whether you pay
your 30,000 if you make capital

997
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,580
gains outside the United
Kingdom, and you want to bring

998
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:59,610
money in, you will be taxed
again. So, you know, to make a

999
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:03,690
real long story short, what
they've essentially said is

1000
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:07,320
okay, if you want to live here,
that's fine. And they've I think

1001
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,620
they the whole thing with double
taxation, they've worked all of

1002
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:13,320
that out even they've even come
to an agreement with the states.

1003
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,440
So all of that is kind of cool
and won't really make any

1004
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,870
difference, I don't think but if
you want to bring your money

1005
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:21,630
into the United Kingdom, and you
want to invest it or you want to

1006
00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:26,760
use it to shop or you want to
buy, you know, houses or cars or

1007
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,820
whatever, that's fine, but
there's an admission fee at the

1008
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:32,370
door to our store. That's
essentially what they're saying

1009
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,930
is you have to pay for the right
to spend your money in the

1010
00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:41,340
United Kingdom. And so again,
the papers today are full of was

1011
00:59:41,340 --> 00:59:43,830
it there was like three cotton
three companies have just

1012
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:49,800
announced they're moving to a
Geneva and or Zurich. They're

1013
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,570
all leaving. Oh, it's actually
it was a Yahoo Google and one

1014
00:59:54,570 --> 00:59:57,990
other online company I think was
Yahoo. Who said they were moving

1015
00:59:57,990 --> 01:00:00,510
to Geneva so they're all leaving
now. It's Stupid.

1016
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:04,770
It doesn't make any sense. You
want people to just to drag

1017
01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:06,300
their money over and spend it in
England.

1018
01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:09,780
Whoa, hold on a second. John,
you just started to sound like

1019
01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:13,470
you sound kind of funny too.
Let's do reconnect.

1020
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:19,350
Okay, hold on. Okay, that was
cool. No one even notice that.

1021
01:00:20,070 --> 01:00:21,510
So what we're where we

1022
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,060
don't remember is it took so
long to reconnect, I completely

1023
01:00:27,060 --> 01:00:27,630
forgot?

1024
01:00:28,290 --> 01:00:30,420
Well, I think it was having to
do with the fact that you had to

1025
01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:34,170
spend $30,000 to spend money
when it's just our hard thing to

1026
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:36,990
do is to let people spend money
in your country.

1027
01:00:37,019 --> 01:00:42,239
It's not. And really, this whole
thing has been spun. So out of

1028
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,209
control has nothing to do with
people not paying their fair

1029
01:00:45,209 --> 01:00:48,329
share of taxes. And that's
really not what it's about. But

1030
01:00:48,329 --> 01:00:51,209
now it's like, okay, you know, I
can buy stuff anywhere I want, I

1031
01:00:51,209 --> 01:00:54,239
can invest in any country I
want. You know, I might choose

1032
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:59,699
not to not to spend 18%, just
for the privilege of bringing my

1033
01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:02,069
money in. That's crazy.

1034
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:08,130
It doesn't make any sense. Wow.
We'll see. You know, if you go

1035
01:01:08,130 --> 01:01:10,080
to San Francisco and roam
around, it's like we're

1036
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,360
welcoming anyone that come in
here and drop every all day

1037
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,570
every nickel. They have places
crawling with Europeans.

1038
01:01:16,860 --> 01:01:18,030
Asians, too.

1039
01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:22,710
Yeah, yeah, there's some Yeah,
that's true. Well, as always,

1040
01:01:22,830 --> 01:01:26,610
everybody's coming to the
States. It's the Chi town right

1041
01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:30,840
destination yet half off for the
rest of our lives. Come on over

1042
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:31,500
buys.

1043
01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:34,200
I mean, they're coming over here
and buying stuff that they can't

1044
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,360
even get in their own country at
these prices.

1045
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:42,330
As pretty amazing. Although air
travel, international, air

1046
01:01:42,330 --> 01:01:46,260
travel has not really gone down
that that's kind of offsetting a

1047
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:47,040
lot. You know,

1048
01:01:47,070 --> 01:01:51,390
you think $110 a barrel oil has
anything to do with that. Gosh,

1049
01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:56,610
I mean, I predicted the 100 the
$100 a barrel oil, but 110 I

1050
01:01:56,610 --> 01:02:01,860
actually believe this year we
get a new president. I think

1051
01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:04,350
we'll see. I'm gonna make a
prediction right now. I think

1052
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:07,200
we'll see 200 before the end of
the year.

1053
01:02:10,110 --> 01:02:13,170
I think that's gonna be tough to
sustain. Because right now it's

1054
01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:16,470
just at the point where people
are gonna go I mean, I think

1055
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,770
people look at their especially
these Americans who drive you

1056
01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:23,340
know, these these gas guzzlers.
You know, you go and you fill up

1057
01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:27,690
your car, and it's like, $75.
So, you know, unless you're

1058
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:30,810
going to just, you know, after a
while you go, Well, if you've

1059
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:32,670
got to fill it up, typically
once a week, if you're

1060
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:36,870
commuting, maybe more, and
that's like, 150 300 bucks a

1061
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:39,510
month right off the top. I mean,
geez,

1062
01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:42,240
I'm not saying that people be
able to afford it. I think it's,

1063
01:02:42,270 --> 01:02:44,940
it's going that way. It's just
like, there's no, there seems to

1064
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:48,750
be no floor for the dollar.
There's no ceiling for oil.

1065
01:02:49,709 --> 01:02:53,819
Now, we'll see. Gold's jumped
over $1,000 That's kind of

1066
01:02:53,819 --> 01:02:54,329
interesting.

1067
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:57,990
Is that the first time ever?
It's been over $1,000? Yeah.

1068
01:02:59,430 --> 01:03:02,280
I think it hit 900 ones, maybe,
I don't know, I'd have to look

1069
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,290
at some old charts, but it
wasn't doing anything for years.

1070
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:05,970
And then now it's just, you
know, been rotting. So

1071
01:03:05,970 --> 01:03:08,130
let me as I always wondered
about this, and you might be the

1072
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:12,180
right person to ask. So if you
look at gold, and you look at

1073
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:17,310
diamonds, right, both substances
that come from the earth, that

1074
01:03:17,310 --> 01:03:20,970
are that have value attached to
it, and people know the value in

1075
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,150
it with gold is even very, very
precise. But what can you

1076
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:27,660
actually do with gold? I mean,
is that is there any real good

1077
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:30,300
use you can use for it?

1078
01:03:30,810 --> 01:03:35,520
Yeah, it's used on connectors
for for headphones. Use for it,

1079
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,420
you have to use it for that.
semiconductors and things like

1080
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:42,060
that. They use a lot of gold,
because it's a good conductor of

1081
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:45,000
electricity. That's what you use
it for.

1082
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:47,520
And there's a big market in that
I mean, there are people buying

1083
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,180
gold to you.

1084
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,050
And then the other thing is
teeth, you know people have

1085
01:03:52,050 --> 01:03:55,230
gold, right? Right. And then the
rest of it is jewellery.

1086
01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:58,740
And how about diamonds? I mean
do the jewellery factory just

1087
01:03:58,740 --> 01:04:01,050
doesn't work for me I mean
that's not a necessity of life

1088
01:04:01,050 --> 01:04:03,480
we need gold teeth we need to be
able to make so many diamonds

1089
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,860
are used in industry to an
extreme I mean most diamonds are

1090
01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:13,170
not ever make cut into jewellery
they're ground into this powders

1091
01:04:13,170 --> 01:04:18,660
that they use for cotton through
steel and they use lots of

1092
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:19,320
tonnes

1093
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:24,330
I thought it was pretty useless
myself but I guess it's part of

1094
01:04:24,330 --> 01:04:25,980
the industrial system hmm

1095
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,550
yeah, you really can't there's a
lot of things that can't really

1096
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:33,540
be done effectively without
diamonds and then mainly cutting

1097
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,640
Okay, I'll have to change my
feelings then about diamonds

1098
01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:42,180
and it gives him something to do
with all this you know most

1099
01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:44,340
diamonds are not you know
commercial and they're not they

1100
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:48,420
don't become jewels but the ones
that do I mean those are

1101
01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:53,490
obviously worth a lot more than
a powdered up stuff. But and

1102
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:55,470
then there's a problem they have
a diamonds in the you know, they

1103
01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:58,740
can now artificially make them
believe they tend to be a little

1104
01:04:58,740 --> 01:05:02,130
too perfect in some sense.
situations are low in the dark.

1105
01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:06,990
And but with gold gold is pretty
much you know what you get what

1106
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:08,010
you got? You can't make it.

1107
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:13,620
Do you? You buy diamonds for
your wife.

1108
01:05:14,790 --> 01:05:18,240
She's not a big diamond person.
And her stone is not a diamond.

1109
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:22,680
It's a green sapphire, Blue
Sapphire or something like that.

1110
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,670
And that's what she likes.

1111
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:26,310
Oh, yeah, but diamonds are a
girl's best friend John.

1112
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,070
Not hers. She has other friends.

1113
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:33,750
Jackson, guys like that. And

1114
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:37,200
it was me. You see, I remember
the time that I first met

1115
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,340
Melissa, or Melinda and Melissa
Melinda on camera route, I

1116
01:05:41,340 --> 01:05:47,940
guess. Gates, his wife, Melinda
and Melissa. Melinda, I think it

1117
01:05:47,940 --> 01:05:53,340
is Melinda Emily. Yeah, I met
her at once and maybe twice. But

1118
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:56,880
I met her once after she was
officially Bill's girlfriend.

1119
01:05:57,270 --> 01:06:01,380
And she was still working at the
company. And she was wearing the

1120
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:03,630
engagement ring which I guess
somebody told her to stop

1121
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:07,320
wearing because I heard that you
don't get to see it so much. The

1122
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:14,280
thing was it was looked like it
the stone was the size of small

1123
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:20,250
golf ball. Yeah, it was quite
flashy. But that's

1124
01:06:20,250 --> 01:06:23,190
a big deal with the Silicon
Valley guys I see lots of them

1125
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:30,090
have have wives with huge rocks.
Some of them are second or third

1126
01:06:30,090 --> 01:06:33,540
wives but all huge rocks, big
deal in the valley.

1127
01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:36,840
Now know that and the Rolex

1128
01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:39,300
got to have one.

1129
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,520
The Rolex is almost you if you
find somebody in Silicon Valley

1130
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,030
and the semiconductor guys are
the most identifiable in some in

1131
01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:51,120
Silicon Valley because they all
have a Rolex, generally a Rolex

1132
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:58,440
President gold and they wear
Khaki coloured pants and a blue

1133
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,950
shirt. That's probably the
colour blue of like three

1134
01:07:01,950 --> 01:07:07,980
seasons ago. Never the current
blue which is tends to have a

1135
01:07:07,980 --> 01:07:10,530
lot of other colours and the
newest one being by the way, a

1136
01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:12,750
blueberry which is fantastic
looking.

1137
01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:19,020
Right? You had a very, very
colourful and light and airy

1138
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:24,480
ensemble on cranky geeks from
this week, like a yellow striped

1139
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:24,900
shirt.

1140
01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:27,750
All right, this is my famous
yellow striped shirt. This is a

1141
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:30,930
shirt I got two years ago over
his texture. It's pretty old.

1142
01:07:31,950 --> 01:07:37,140
And it used to wear it on ZD TV,
that particular shirt because

1143
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:39,690
Harry Fuller who was one of the
guys that was one of the

1144
01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:43,800
executives there hated it. And I
could never figure out why

1145
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,110
because it was it would really
look great on camera, especially

1146
01:07:46,110 --> 01:07:49,410
when he didn't have a jacket on.
And fuller would always go home

1147
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:52,410
with a yellow shirt. I can't
stand that yellow striped shirt

1148
01:07:52,410 --> 01:07:54,330
and he just moan and groan about
so if I knew is going to be in

1149
01:07:54,330 --> 01:07:55,800
the area always make sure to
wear that

1150
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,280
kind of kind of like your wa
MVC.

1151
01:07:59,879 --> 01:08:04,679
So anyway had in the in storage.
And I was going through some

1152
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:06,839
shirts because I ran out of
shirts and got out there bring

1153
01:08:06,839 --> 01:08:10,349
out an old shirt and I've ran
into that was this will work. So

1154
01:08:10,439 --> 01:08:11,519
next everyone had twice.

1155
01:08:12,450 --> 01:08:15,270
Well, it looked good on you.
It's suiting you quite well.

1156
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,490
Yellow works great since I'm so
pale.

1157
01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:21,840
Yeah. Do you ever go on vacation
man you ever like go sit in the

1158
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,310
sun on an island somewhere?

1159
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:27,870
I used to go to Hawaii once in a
while. But now I kind of make my

1160
01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:32,310
vacations a part of my business.
So if I go to like Europe for

1161
01:08:32,310 --> 01:08:36,120
some business thing, I'll stick
around for a few extra days

1162
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:39,209
or conference. Right? You do the
talk at a conference and then go

1163
01:08:39,209 --> 01:08:43,019
hang out. Yeah. What a wonderful
life you have John.

1164
01:08:43,530 --> 01:08:44,160
Yeah, right.

1165
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:50,100
So I got the music playing man.
Listen, the show. We're like, an

1166
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,670
hour and 10 minutes once again.
Yep, gotta get get done. And

1167
01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:56,730
it's taken us five hours to put
it together with all the stops

1168
01:08:56,730 --> 01:09:01,830
and configuration shit.
Unbelievable. All right, coming

1169
01:09:01,830 --> 01:09:04,860
to you coming to you from the
curry manor in the United

1170
01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:07,050
Kingdom. I'm Adam curry.

1171
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:09,690
And I'm John C. Dvorak in
Northern California.

1172
01:09:09,809 --> 01:09:13,199
We will talk to you again.
Whether you pay us or not next

1173
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,419
week right here on no agenda.

1174
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,019
Bla