podcasting 2.0 for August 12 2020 to Episode 97 Forever 15
Well, hello everybody, welcome to the board meeting for
podcasting. 2.0 your weekly vitamin pill if you're into
podcasting, I guess it's like, you know, carrots and tomatoes
and everything in one little dusty bill. That's right. We'll
bring you up to speed and everything happening with
podcasting 2.0 Whatever is going on at podcast index dot social
and I am Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in
Alabama. My master of the slideshow deck say hello to my
friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
It's like a V eight. It's like drinking a va a VA. Every
Friday.
That's what it is. Remember those? My mom used to drink V
aids.
The AIDS are super gross. Yeah. And but they're not as bad as
Komodo. Do you remember? Clemont?
No, I don't remember Komodo this sounds like Chlamydia is
a horrible name for for drink. It's terrible. It sounds like it
sounds sounds like an STD. And it tastes like an STD. It's
tomato juice with clam juice mixed in.
Oh yes. I do know Komodo Yes. Yes. I do know this. That is a
horrible drink.
Oh, yes. Well, I don't know what it I mean, like, who sat around
it? Man.
I thought I could tomato.
Juice is not as it's not. It's not super terrible. What can we
do to push it over the edge to make it undrinkable
some clam sap in there.
And we want a We want your visit to the bathroom later to be
equally horrible. I never told you. I just it just dawned on
me. I never told you. My story here comes and ever told you my
story about what happened with the chickens? About three weeks
ago when I had that. You know I did that thing with radio Inc.
With Ed Ryan. Yeah, his how to make real money. Right?
Right. Yeah, it's a very blatant title is what I was gonna say
yes. How To Make Money With pot how to make real money with
podcasting. Money.
I love the I love the title. I love how it's just like, it's
just you know, pulls no punches. It's like, come and make huge
sums of money or something like that. So I did it on my lunch
break. And like I normally do these things. And I wasn't
thinking so we've got we've got chickens in the backyard. Well,
I mean, they're in a coop. And so Melissa had started letting
the chickens out to roam around the yard a couple of days before
that. So we're trying to sort of train them in to be in you know,
like some yard chickens. And I come in, and I'm not you know,
typically what I do is I come in, and I for lunch break. Just
eat something as fast as I can just consume it as quickly as
possible before I jump on the podcast or an interview or
something. And so I'm not thinking straight. I'm eating at
the same time and I let the dog out. I let banjo out. Oh, into
the backyard. Yeah. And then I close and I'm in Okay,
how many how many minutes did it take before you realize you're
about 30
seconds. I was like, Oh crap. So I run out the back door and he's
got one of the chickens pinned down by the wing sniffing it
like ready to just eat? Yes. Yeah. The nowadays Yes, exactly.
And you know go in there and just you know not you know,
knock him and get him out I'm like yeah, you get away from it.
Well then these two other chicks the two we get three the two
other chickens. They freak out and bail out start running
across the yard. Well he takes off after they're taken off
after him and this is 110 pound dog right? Yeah,
he's well over 100 pounds. It's about 100 degrees outside now
but and I'm running after about five minutes I managed to
finally get my head
over here you are the dog is
we're close enough finally get my hand around his around his
collar in and I'm able to you know to wrestle him back in
here. And then it's like literally like 30 seconds before
I'm supposed to jump on with Edie. I come in, come over here
and sit down and it's like, boom, love. I mean, this was
like, I cannot believe I didn't look like a complete disaster.
Oh, how did it go? went great. It was fun to email you later
and say Hey, thanks, man. I'm making money.
Now they didn't actually it's funny enough they didn't I
haven't gotten any emails interesting. That didn't the
date the next day. The hall gate one of our chickens so oh
goodness. The lead them out in the backyard experiment didn't
last very long.
Yeah, he was sorry. I'm sorry to hear that. So are you are you
down one chicken so you still have two left yet? Chicken down.
And I had chickens. I had probably about 10 or 12
chickens. I had the castle and I had goats and shit. And our dog.
Oh yeah. of goats the worst. Yeah, it's
just funny how you said, the castle. Castle. We
all know it used to be rich, you know? And then I spent it all
on, you know, chickens, goats, castles, helicopters, you know,
stuff like that. One does don't feel bad. I had a good time.
I really did. Those 40s were a blur.
Exactly. It was a good estimate. We it really was it was 30 3040.
And, you know, the chickens. You know, Christina, my daughter,
she was probably about 1314 at the time. And we said that let's
go, you know, this whole idyllic thing. Let's go get some eggs
from the chickens like, oh, yeah, we walk with a little
basket and go do chickens are mean bastards. They're terrible.
They hold your hand like not at all, like in the in the in the
in the fairy tale book, you know? No, no, don't
love you. They love you. Yeah, a buddy of mine has chickens in
his, his. He had a bunch of them. And his dog is his son at
a date coming over. And he was like, first time ever, you know,
like this blind date. And so then they go, that is dark. And
he's like, hey, I want you to you know, once you see my chick,
and she's, they were talking about how many chickens they
had. And things like, Come Come back here. And look, it's really
cool. So they go, he takes her in the backyard, and they have a
flashlight and everything. They're gonna show him all
because they had like 15 chickens, gets back there, a
raccoon had gotten in goodness. And it was just feathers and
blood and guts. He was like, Oh, my God, this is horrible.
Yes, there's somewhere there's an analogy in there for
podcasting. I haven't quite figured it out yet. Chicken 2.0.
Well, you know what came first chicken or the egg. And I'm
gonna make a bold prediction. I'm also going to say that I've
really been paying attention to the hosting companies, and the
speed of development, the amount of development and I've
mentioned it before, we have a competition going on. Now people
are seeing that these are standard items, you have to have
your podcasts on podcasting 2.0 features, I think by this time
next year, so that'll be what is it, August 12, Apple will have
declared the namespace in their product. And they will be using
probably chapters. And the reason to get us to get a pin I
gotta read. Sure. Put it put it in our blue book. And the reason
for this is very simple. This is always the problem. This is the
chicken in the egg of these types of situations. But now we
have thanks to the app developers. We have receivers,
we have radios, we have apps that understand these features,
and there's people using them. But more importantly, now we
have hosting companies who are offering this content,
additional content, and any product manager, any product
manager will eventually say, you know, there's enough people
using this that we should probably integrate some of
these, which ones are we going to do? And I'm telling you and
and an apple would be smart to do it because they can
differentiate because Spotify is stuck in their own internal
processes. You know, Spotify will say Oh, yeah, don't make
translators. You know, those will take the namespace data and
we'll change that into our Spotify spec. And whatever
anchor is going to create. I feel very comfortable making
this prediction, this prediction. I really do. I can
see the writing on the wall and and then then we all need to pat
ourselves on the back and go, Oh, shit, we have this power all
along.
That's what Well, that's what hasn't done it. Isn't that what
we've been saying since the beginning? Everybody has this
power. Yeah,
that's why I'm coming. I'm preparing everyone for the I
told you so.
Oh, okay. Everybody. Yeah, no, no, like this. That's a bold
prediction.
And everyone can be really proud because it's there. It's done.
You know, it's gonna happen, it's inevitable, it's
unavoidable. And even Spotify, you know, they, again, they're
stuck in their internal processes and beliefs, etc. But
we have some massive lift off here. I mean, just step back and
look around and see what's happening when you have hosts at
the level of rss.com and Buzzsprout. But you know, also
transistor and captivate and, and you have, let us know the
blueberry and has dos Castillo's Lind let's not forget who's our
French friends I keep forgetting. Oh cast apod cast
the pod Yeah. spod cast Oh pod which is basically hosting
company in a box. We're creating the car Vantage is being created
the it's almost like, I mean, you see it with everything when
the capability is offered at scale, which now the content is
offered at scale Hans, I
can yeah
dog sorry, she, she liked the chicken, she's I'm done with the
chickens.
Definitely Nima she the dog,
our dog is also over 100 pounds, it's just and I leave the door
open. And she can't quite get through without her side
scraping the door, you know, but she could push and it would
open. She won't do it. She just stands there. Like
I can't do it.
100 pounds, she could go through the door with a when it was
closed, if you want to do anyway.
My dog has not figured out that he could get anything off the
counter that he wanted. It just doesn't make sense to him. I
mean, he could easily just pill for everything and the whole
package.
So look at browsers, you know, look at the many projects that
have shaped what browsers are today. Now it's all extra
features. Its entire, you know, programming languages have been
added to browsers. So this this will have this will happen to
all apps. It's it's a done deal. It really is. And I'm so proud
of everybody. Really is so fucking proud. I can't explain.
It's so it's so cool. Yeah, I did use done it.
Did you see that? Listen notes is going to add hosting. No. And
that maderos posted this so Oh, interesting. Just a minute.
Well, I mean, it's on their side. The one question I have
is, it says at the bottom that coming in fall, sign up for the
pre waitlist. It's coming in fall of 2022. But we're already
we're already way beyond fall of 2022. So I don't really know if
this I don't know what the status of this thing is. But
supposedly it's free.
Oh, okay.
I don't Well, you don't have to have
you I know you and everybody has mixed feelings about free.
It's that and it's also you know, I don't I haven't really
had time to digest it because he's, he's posted this morning
and but I don't know, something makes me uncomfortable about
director directories also doing hosting. Okay, it's sort of like
that. Well, I mean, same with Apple. But it makes me
uncomfortable that Apple is doing hosting. You know, they're
they're hosting Moravec feeds for subscriptions. Rick, if this
was that, I think I would be a little bit less concerned by it.
If it was like, Oh, hey, we're gonna be oh, what I mean,
because they're because they will won't expose feeds or
something like that.
Well, yeah. Okay. So this is an AP. No, it's not it's not that
it's just that listen. So listen, notes is a is an AP on a
directory just like podcasts index. Aha.
No, not just like pod Well, expert. Okay.
Understand? Yes. Correct. Correction. They listened notes
is a directory and API in the vein of podcast index, okay. And
I don't know that it is just something about it. I don't know
that it feels appropriate for the day, he would be like it
would be like if the if the library also published books.
What you know, what, are they going to put their stuff at the
end? They're gonna give their self their stuff favoritism.
Yeah. That bothers more
here. Well, all right.
Because you Okay, well, okay, I just it just go ahead, go.
Well, I'm gonna say this. Anybody who is thinking of
getting into the hosting game, you are insane. It is very, very
difficult to run a good hosting company. For two reasons. One is
your bandwidth management. Certainly if you are expecting
to have big hits, and you are not going to own them. Second,
is you're dealing with people who are almost on par with ham
radio operators when it comes to time suck. And, and education
needs. These are people company, they really are people company.
And you know, so you know, why does everybody have Why does a
Buzzsprout have a podcast? Why does Lipson have a podcast? Why
does blueberry have a podcast? This is all part of it. You know
Todd Cochran? spends half his day talking to podcasters you
know, onboarding, you got to go to conferences, you have to have
presence. I mean, this is not just oh, we'll just turn Yeah,
well, it's kind of the reverse of value for value in the ask,
you know, if, if you're not asking for any money, you say,
here it is, we're free, you're gonna get a bunch of shit.
You're just gonna get shit. And then and so but now you have to
weed through shit to help people who don't understand anything.
Which kind of which if you don't mind, moves me to marketing.
Okay, because I want to talk about this
marketing of the of podcasting. 2.0 Yes,
you know, podcasting, 2.0 marketing, explanation,
education, the things that everyone is talking about
incessantly the stuff that we're really good at this, that we are
no good at. And, and you and I privately have given up on it.
And we said, let's just see if it's true. Let's just see what
happens. So I want to make it clear, it is my belief that
podcasts index has no need to be marketed, it does not need to be
a destination site does not need to be an education site does not
need to be anything other than a pointer to apps, services,
develop developers and other relevant resources. Okay. So
just like everything else, in podcasting, we need to
decentralize this. And I have, of course, we will support
anybody who sets up an informational site, or an
educational, so any, anything you have, will point to it, you
know, we'll, we'll, we'll make a page and here's more
information. So if people somehow wind up at podcasts,
index.org they can find it. But we have so many people who don't
know, Dan J. Lewis, this is why I think I finally got him to
understand, like, why don't you just set something up, call it
podcasting 2.0 education in your butt.com. And then we'll point
it that actually don't, and then we'll point to it and make a
great kick ass explanation. But you know, when we get into,
let's divide the brands of the into, I don't give a shit we
don't have we don't care. We don't care. This is not a
business. It's a resource, its love of and long, long, long
term, maybe we'll get some SATs, that'll be worth something one
day. That's it. And everything else is to serve the podcast
industry, no podcaster needs to come to us to understand how to
do this, because they're not gonna get they're never gonna
get anything. And we can't design this by committee, you
know, make it and I want Cridland to make his own kids
and does this all his own new podcast apps version, and this
is fine. It doesn't have to be one central place where then we
we already saw pull requests, it doesn't really work. You know,
make it a testing ground for stuff. You know, I love what
comics or Blogger did with the with the boosts with using the
value block from the website and Albie. So thanks for that to
five other sites. No,
Steven B. That was always even
me. I'm sorry. So but but you're right. Regardless, there's no
third party sites. It's all first party information. If
you're involved in this write it, you know, I want to have a
definitive pod pain page that explains everything I know who
should write it. You know, let's have all that and let's let's
point to those pieces like a directory does, because that's
what we are.
I've got I've got thoughts. Okay. And these thoughts came
from the recently now completed slideshow presentation for the
podcast. Do you have
a slide for me, which is just how to make money?
Yeah, no, you have one slide in the presentation is this slide
number two? It says intro dadada
perfect. Exactly what I wanted. Yeah.
And the other 41 slides or me or for me 41
slides. You're never
gonna make it. I'm gonna do it. He watched me watch. We're gonna
make an okay. Practice. Don't put on a damn clinic. I'm gonna,
no I haven't practiced at all I'm gonna wing it. So, but my
thoughts from from the from putting this thing together is
it's what I had to the structure of it is going tag by tag and
saying, Okay, here's the tag and I built an infographic for it.
infographic. Okay, saying infographic gives it way more
credit than it deserves.
Is it two circles? Is it a box?
It's things I'll show you but Okay, so I did, I did a little
graphic for each for each tag and showed shows how it works
trying to visualize things. And Steven B, says, nobody's claimed
a podcasting education in your book.com yet, so go grab there.
So we, so it's just slide slides or take this form, tag in tag
with, with a graphic, maybe a couple of bullet points. And
then an example, like a screenshot. Working through that
process made me think, okay, a really good site, marketing, PR,
whatever you want to call us. If there was a website that was say
that catered to developers, and and podcasters, who wanted to
find out about each individual feature, you could have a site
that did that, in which it has some graphics, a clear plain
English explanation, links to the developer resources for how
to build it, some example code, sure, and then, and then some
screenshots and like that would be one page, one page for each
tag. Sure. That that's, then that's do and then you can link
it in, you can get fancy in and put some sort of get, we put
some sort of GitHub action on there. When we finalize the tag,
it automatically generates a static HTML out of it or
something like that. You knock yourself out. It's all there.
And so the second part of what I was going to say to bring this
full circle the hosting companies they are first contact
they are they the front office for podcasters. And forget about
what we're doing. You know, forget about Casta pod people
forget about sovereign feed people like myself, hosting
companies, they have hundreds of 1000s of customers. And we're
gonna build a website somewhere over here. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
which by the way, is okay because maybe they'll point to
it, maybe there's some some great resources that are they
can use and they can lift and they can transmogrify, but I
know Buzzsprout speaks differently to their, to their
clients, then blueberry, they just speak different languages.
So those are the guys that they are the educators. They are. I
was listening to pod land, and EVO taro was co hosting. And he
said, you know, he's really into value for value stuff. He loves
it. And he says, You know, I was I use fountain now exclusively,
and I was listening to all these fiction podcasts. And I
realized, it was so horrible that none of my favorite fiction
podcasts were value for value enabled, and I was so bummed
out. And so I'm boosting this show, saying, Hi. Please contact
the podcast host, and alert them to this wonderful thing. And you
can say podcaster wallet.com. You can say fountain.fm. You
know, you can point to different hosting companies. You know,
obviously, we know that rss.com now has it integrated, and
others. This is this is how it works. And we all have that
responsibility. And that needs to be on someone's website where
they explain what we're doing is like, how does how does it work?
Well, you know, if you hear someone who doesn't have it, and
you listen to a podcast, tell them send them here. So, just so
everyone knows, I'm way okay with it. You know, don't sit
around waiting for Dave and Adam to do anything because, and we
do everything by the seat of our pants. We have no fucking plan.
No, none. We've never had one. If not, our plan is 30 days out,
you know, that's it? Do we have enough money for 30 days? Okay.
So that's, that's our plan. And we're not planning any
marketing, we're not planning any of it, it doesn't make sense
for us to be doing it. Nor does it make sense for it to be at
this place. Well, as a pointer, of course, but you know,
everyone needs to point to everything, since we have so
many talented people who can hopefully everyone can get over
the hump of, you know, there doesn't have to be one official
version of this, you know, I can already see how Daniel's is
gonna be different from James and I can see how this will be
different. I can see how what you just described maybe Alex
gates gives a shot at that, you know, or someone who's just
listening who wants to contribute and help out being
these are all great things that we can do. And if we can get
over the it has to be one official thing, which doesn't as
far as I'm concerned, then we're good to go.
That's part of value for value is that it doesn't have to be
one is so none None of this is none of this is licensed. We
don't you know, we don't own No, we haven't trademarked any of
this stuff is like just take take all the podcasts and 2.0
graphics and pocket that he'll take our podcasts index. And all
that nature. I just do
the whole thing off our hands please set it up somewhere else
run it on your metal.
Yeah. Hey, where yourself you know knock stuff out. That's
it's all great with us that no, James, on the last episode
episode of Caitlyn said that we were said that you and our
teenagers?
Yes, I heard that. Yeah. Hello. Hello.
Now this is a new revelation. Wow. Okay,
I know it's like, Oh, gee.
Yeah, my, my wife could have told you that years ago. No, no,
it's 100%. Right. That means the excellently named pimp podcast
and yeah, is, is only that's only one component of the
teenager pneus of this entire endeavor. The other component is
we don't make any plans yet.
And because we don't make plans, and because you know, we're just
doing this cuz it's good is the right thing to do. Well, let us
have some fun. joke around a little bit. Yeah, Dad. Come on,
man. I'm trying to be real professional.
So I would like to talk for a moment. Yes. About Satoshi dice
dream. Oh, okay. Can see because this fits in with just go do
some stuff. Okay. Satoshi. Satoshi dice. Yeah, I love that.
Nobody knows who this person is. They don't know if they don't
know the, the gender of this person. It's this person is just
known as Satoshi dice tray. Yes.
I'm not even sure that this person likes us really.
I'm inclined to think that they do not but it's a
Dutch person. I'm pretty sure
is it easy to Okay. I feel like it's hard to determine whether
or not Dutch people like you from their tone of voice in
English
or RX they come across as very harsh.
What what is that is that?
Well, first of all, they live underwater practically so
they're stressed. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. You know,
they're farmers are their farmers are blocking the
roadways. So they throw in turds on the capital. Yeah, it's a
country you know, they are the narco capital of the European
Union. So I don't know there's a lot of things but it's it really
is just the way they speak English and just comes up to
Carl he just comes across just comes across his very harsh
they have definite like like downstrokes on the ending of the
things they say is that is that the language has
something to do with the reversal of words and when so I
have I have been to my grandmother's I can't even do it
right but everything is backwards so somehow on the
unscramble it and put it in the right order it just comes across
as harsh okay, but they're not because the Dutch are fantastic
people that very very loving when you break through the what
you think is a harsh shell, but they're pretty cool. So, but not
this guy, whoever this person is, this person is just a jerk
sometimes.
Yeah. Absolute douche Satoshis dot stream. He emailed me said,
feel free to share this in podcasting. tupuna Oh, okay. So
he said you finally have some time to wait, constitution,
industrial comics,
comics are bloggers actually, Satoshi.
Now that would be a heck of a reveal. Right? Wouldn't
that be an eye opener? Yeah.
Finally says finally have some time to work on Satoshi stream.
Again, don't expect too much too soon. But I'm working on a web
version. Oh, it also supports multiple nodes on our side for
load balancing. So I said our Okay, so there's more than one
person involved? He says and it means we do not need telegram
anymore to manage podcasts.
Thank goodness. Yeah, that was the one downside to do not like
using telegram. Yeah.
And he says working on some back end things. Now the endpoints
seems to work and he gave some other stuff. So anyway, that's,
that's cool. Very cool. So we'll have another easier option
because I've always felt I always felt weird about telling
people to go to telegram because it seems so scammy Yeah,
telegram is where all the NFT crap happens and people get
their money. So and
I'm always getting chicks. DMing me? Yeah, German chicks. And of
course, it's all the same Indian dude, or the guy from Nairobi or
whatever. Nigeria Nigeria. Report. Yes, yes, Ty it's
annoying. It's tiring. That's very cool. I presume this is
part of what Alby is kicked off, you know, I'll be somehow they
did something just a little different than I think it's
great. They picked up to Elon URL protocol and really ran with
it. Because that's like Elon bits. That was one of the things
we looked at in the very beginning. It's like, holy shit,
there's a lot you can do these little apps, you can build
yourself and set it up with its own separate little wallet on
your node. You know, I always thought that would be something
that was cool. Yeah, for sure. So now to have Satoshi stream
doing that is very smart in general. I also wanted to say
for, for app developers, I think what, I'm not sure, but I think
what pod verse has now done, in which the App Store accepted in
testflight, is you hook up your Alby node after you get the app
right.
Which is what they always wanted. That's That's what and
that makes so much sense.
Yeah, it does. Because there's no there's no,
there's no no violation possible for the AppStore. Exactly. And,
and pod verse doesn't have to worry about ever being, you
know, a claim that they are messing with keys or miss right?
coins or whatever. Yeah, that's great. I did I haven't had a
chance to play with it yet. Because it has happened so soon
before the show. But have you been stuck? Did you install it?
No. No, I don't have iOS and, and even then I'll still have to
wait. Once it hits the Google Store, then I have to wait a
couple of days. And then I can get it through? What's that? The
spoof? This is pretty cool spoof store for graphene spoof store.
Yeah. So you don't have to have any of the Google Play services
on your phone. And you use I'm sure it's insecure Aurora store.
And so Aurora store masks itself as a valid user. And then you
can you can download the apps that are in play store. That's
pretty cool. Actually,
that's interesting.
I hope it's, it's, it's reasonably secure. I don't know.
I mean, you still don't know what an apple do. What an app
mean, and of course, you know, stuff like backup to Google
Drive. And that's, that doesn't work. But generally, the apps
will run
chance that you log into Albion, the pod verse app, and then it
acts just like another plug into that. Oh, yeah, that's like,
there was something back on the test flight, I don't think I'm
only reading
something else. I also wanted to mention, I finally read through
the Tarot white paper. This is a lightning labs thing that they
that they announced they got the $75 million investment and part
of what they were doing with that money is Taro, which is a
new protocol for multi asset Bitcoin and lightning. And was
very interesting about this. And, and at first, I was like,
Oh, I don't know if I like this, I'm not quite sure. But then,
when I really dug into it, it's quite interesting, the way
they've done this, and I'm still not, I'm still unsure of the
legality, because it's kind of what Brian of London has done
with hive. So over the Lightning Network, you could pay a hive
node in hive, and say, Alright, I want this to go to Dave in
hive. And it'll go through this exchanger node, which will turn
it into Lightning Lightning then finds the route to another
exchanger node on the other end for you to receive I wonder if
it could be the same one. And and then of course, the
settlement ultimately takes place over on chain wants the
channels close, etc. But likewise, you could send $10 In
hive and it goes straight into a US dollar wallet on the other
end $10 or with whatever minimal lightning fee and so the more I
thought about it, the more I'm like oh, you know, that may not
be bad for us. If people can literally just hook it up to
their bank account or you know, some other type of Fiat account.
I'm good. So my understanding of it was that you can use it
allows you to use Bitcoin not to tear Taro is something that is
part of the Bitcoin Core, right?
Or is it? Oh, no, no, I think it's just something that's a
part of l&d.
Because the reason I say that is because they tap tap
root enabled Taro.
Oh, okay. That's what Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah, taproot gives
you the functionality, but there's a core there's a bitcoin
core component to the allowing the scripting to do the taro.
Yeah. So that my understanding is the way I saw it described
was that you could say you could have like, I don't know, let's
say 20 bucks and USD C. And then you could transfer that over a
lightning channel and it would come out at the other end. and
still being USDC.
Yeah, but basically, you could punch anything in on one end,
and it'll come out the other end.
The middle, the transport mechanism is lightning is
lightning. Exactly. Exactly. Which, of course, ultimately is
on chain settlement. And so the idea is the way I see it is, you
know, and it's kind of relevant with Swift, the SWIFT network
swift payment network being dismantled, and you know,
kicking people off Oh, yeah. So now you have a way? Well, you
could, you could literally, if if the network has a ruble node
in there, you could send us dollars, it will go into the
into the lightning node that will poop it out into Moscow
into Putin's lap in rubles, so that he can turn the turn the
gas back on.
Hey, give me a Putin man. So yeah, well, you. I guess the
advantage of that, if I understand correctly, is that
you're not, there's no fees?
Well, I'll read from the announcement. Today, we're
excited to announce Taro, a new Chapron powered protocol for
issuing assets on the Bitcoin Blockchain that can be
transferred over the Lightning Network for instant high volume
low fee transactions. That's my Ryan Gentry voice.
Oh, yeah. You said just like, wow. It's my breath away. Okay,
yeah. So that means you can use the, the bit you can get the
benefits of the low fee. Transaction. Yeah. But without
and so you're not paying fees in the currency of the thing it is.
Supposedly,
well, it'll, I mean, here's, here's the flaw that I see. And
maybe it isn't flaw. So you're gonna have to have these
translator nodes. Right? That that says, Okay, this is this,
you know, I'm receiving USDC or L USD, and whatever. That's,
that's what what is that? Oh, that's lightning US dollars. I'm
sure they're gonna have a stable coin. Well, until they're CDB
sees you're gonna have to work with stable coins and stable
coins, that that's not going to be a problem. Those will be
regulated. I are going
to be regulated by the EU think they'll be regulated by the
CFTC. Or by the SEC. The SEC. Okay, because that's because
it's protect like, technically an equity. I believe so. Yeah.
It's a financial instrument. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
And there's lots of pegged currencies and stuff. So I think
that'll that'll be okay. So once you have that, but you also need
a you know, a remedy B and A one digital token they may exist I
don't know enough about them. The bottom line is the system
that we have in place now and and I love the romance of
Bitcoin and, and I prefer Bitcoin, most definitely over
any kind of a financial instrument. But it will, the
Lightning Network is going to become very easy to integrate
with local currencies. I'm just saying I think a lot of this
stuff will go through transition there'll be a lot of opportunity
for onboarding make it easier I mean, the dollar is not going to
go away tomorrow and Bitcoin is the king okay. Yeah, let's be
really clear about that. And you can still receive your your
value for value payments and Bitcoin in fact, that's probably
preferable. But if you want you can you know, you could even
have one split go off and put some into your bank account.
Yeah, well, the brands already doing that. Like he said, This
is what I'm saying. Yeah, he's already doing exactly that.
Yeah, he's already gets a crazy med no half machine and I mean,
I expect him to create a one of these translators thingamajigger
Yeah, and he'll become a millionaire you watch.
He already is we already know that.
I do have confirmation. Indeed. When we were talking about ROI
over there and breeze land was indeed listening in bed.
Did he has his
robot he had the robe on the floppy had the floppy slippers
were next to the bed because he was in his bed. But yes, we do
have a confirmation that he indeed was listening in his bed
with a Huawei shoe six confirmations before
silk sheets.
We need to discuss we need to discuss the Verify tag. Okay,
I've been doing a little bit of that this week. Well, actually,
you know what, let's talk about the let's talk about the block
tech first. Okay, you want to do some tag talk?
Yeah, tag talk we need we need a jingle for tag talk. All we have
is
this. And now it's time first time My hot namespace talk. I
like tag
talk kind of better, though. Tag that that would lend itself to a
quick punchy jingle.
Yes. Tag talk tag talk. Everybody loves tag talk ha.
Maybe not the HA. Like you're exhausted. I am. Gay the the
block tech. No longer is. I think everybody understands the
way this works or at least hopefully they do. But there was
discussion this week a little bit of a of a mild in podcast
index dot social terms, a mild kerfuffle. With James and
volunteer, he tends to be involved in these.
With that was my punch line. Oh, sorry,
about the blog about the blog tag and its applicability to
Apple podcasts. Okay, so I'm going to, I'm going to first
read from the Apple document known as because we all know
hopefully by now that the iTunes namespace declares a dot a DTD,
that actually is a 404. So if you try to go and if you try to
click on or go to the URL where the namespace wants you to, it
doesn't exist. It hasn't existed for many, many, many years,
maybe ever. I'm not sure if it's ever existed. But the second
best thing to a to that specification, which is a
document from Apple on Apple's own website, of which I have
made a safe copy. When I What was
the kerfuffle, you've set us up with all this kerfuffle talk,
but what was the disagreement? Did I'm still you're still set
up. Sorry.
Yeah, this is the longest setup, it'll ever so from this
document, is a podcast is called a podcasters. Guide to RSS, and
this is sort of like, Apple's way of describing all their tags
and what they do, and why you should use them and all that,
right. So when in under the iTunes blog, it says it's
channel level item. And here's the description they give the
podcast show or hide status. So that's in their directory, or,
or whatever. If you want your show removed from the Apple
directory, use this tag. Okay. Next, specifying the iTunes
block tag with a yes value prevents the entire podcast from
appearing in Apple podcasts. specifying any other value,
other than yes has no effect. So I'm gonna tell you why I'm going
to this sounds like what I'm saying. It sounds like what I'm
saying is, Apple spec says that this that the iTunes blog tag
only applies to Apple podcasts, which it does. But the I'm not
saying that means that that's actually the case. The kerfuffle
was that we need the podcast blog tag, because the iTunes
blog tag only applies to Apple's directory. Okay. And James said,
No, that's not the case. And I don't know if he meant that that
was the actual text of the spec, or if he was just referring to
the way it's done in practice. This is where and in this is
what I'm trying to get at. The the actual spec language itself
says that it only applies to Apple podcasts, right. But what
has happened in the last 20 years is that ever since there
was no other way to block a podcast? Then everybody said,
okay, the iTunes blog, blog tag is what it actually means where
we're all going to treat it as if it means is that we're blocks
everything. Okay, it's a blank, it's a blanket block. So there's
a disconnect between what the spec says and what everybody
does in reality, and we have to, and we have to live in reality,
we can't always live in the spec. So you got to live like, I
think, who was that guy? Francis Schaeffer said you you got to
live in the world as it is. So the world as it is, is that it
blocks everything but that's not the end of the story. Because
that doesn't mean that we can say okay, well, that's fine.
That's a solid problem. Because the the one scenario that you
cannot do with that with the iTunes blog tag is decide that
you only want to blog apple and nobody else.
Right, because the reality is people will see that as a full
block.
As a full block. Yes. So you can't it if I want to buy If I
want to block Apple only and allow it for everybody else,
that will never be doable without his blog tag. Because
that because then you get back into now. Now the the wording of
the spec matters. Read the you can't live in the reality over
here because Apple will never honor that will never honor that
any other way. And so well excuse me, nobody else will
honor that any other way. Because because that's the way
it's written. So anyway, that's, that's what I'm trying to.
That's the reason that sort of like that little Crux there that
that gotcha is the reason why there's multiple gotchas, but
that's one big one. As to why the blanket the blanket block
tune as written in the market block tag as written in iTunes
spec is just not tenable. And we needed something different.
Yeah,
I understand. So I don't see the issue. Well, I don't see
anything. So there's no issue. No, I just sold it when people
were just fighting them to fight.
Yeah, that's what people find most of the time. Because they
don't have anything else to do. All right. I like to bring it
home.
I like to block tag. We're already using it.
What are you blocking?
If I am blocking Hold on a second let me let me double
check in my sovereign feeds. We are on a second show info block
oh is that only for I think I'm only doing that I know agenda
let me see because I have to do it here too then let me see show
info.
I think I put it podcast blog no you okay you say you have no
blog.
Okay no agenda I have Spotify and Facebook selected
okay cool. All right. Yes, Facebook even do podcasting
anymore and I think they've been I don't
know it was a selection in the menu
you're like yes give me some
listen if you if you know the menu this is all sovereign
feeds. Yeah, it's interesting. I can block I can block Buzzsprout
from importing my feed for some reason
Yeah, well I know what he did I know what he did he pulled in.
Pulled in the full slug list Yes. From the yes yes.
Shout engine slack SoundCloud Twitter booshka YouTubes and can
I can block them all? I don't know if it does anything but
it's cool to add people just like photos of like Hey, I
blocked you bitch hack makes me feel powerful
like teenagers do
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No it's so I'm so we're proud users of
this. I like and I can't wait until Spotify sucks in our feed
again I can say excuse me Okay, excuse
me talk to my lawyer I mean my blog tag yeah look
at it look at it people can't you read
just cinema screenshot Okay, so the the the in more tag talk
here the generator tag?
Yes.
I heard Andy's feelings this week. Andy. Yeah, Andy layman.
Oh, what did you do? I turned his lemon creations generator
reference back in overrode it back to WordPress and he and it
hurt his feelings. But so what I did was don't understand. Yeah,
no, I know that makes no sense. So there's I don't understand
this okay. So somebody didn't knows about WordPress needs to
tell me what the crap is going on with these with with the way
WordPress does the generator tag let me pull one up so I can
look inside the generator tag an existing tag?
Yeah, yeah, it's an art it's missing the original original
RSS. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna pull up new media show here. And here
we go. I'm gonna pull up their feed. And this is this is what I
see in their feed. It has a generator tag. This is a word
that is just list wordpress.com. And then they also have this
weird like, commented out. It's like he's got a little like,
less than son exclamation point dash dash. You know that that
HTML comment. Oh, yeah. And it's got it's one of the lightest
starts with that. And then it says podcast underscore
generator equals blueberry space power press slash the version
number or whatever. And then close comment. So it's like it
has. It's a, it's its own. It's a different generator tag, but
it's commented out. And I don't understand why that happens. But
because I can't but but normally, I can't parse that
because it's a comment. Mill, it doesn't see it. Okay. Yeah. So
what what I'm trying to do is do proper attribution. I'm trying
to say, Okay, here's how many feeds. So this applies to cast
cast O's, and blueberry. Because they have these, you know, a
vast fleet of these WordPress plug in podcast generators, like
to the to the tune of 10s of 1000s of these things. So that's
potentially, I mean, I think I'm gonna give blanket numbers, I
think each one of them have probably about 30,000 of these.
So that's 660 1000 which is not an insignificant number of
podcasts being hosted on WordPress with their plugins.
And I want to I want to properly know within the index that this
podcast is being generated by power press, not WordPress, I
see yet or seriously simple podcasting plugin, not
WordPress. So I changed to do a quick like just an int a an
index of you know, if index of podcast underscore generator
equal greater than negative one and I just get pull that string
out before I do the XML parse. Grab that if that and then so
that later, I can override the WordPress thing, the WordPress
generator tag with the proper generator string. And by doing
that, I Andy, Andy's Lehmann creations podcast WordPress
plugin it properly says the generator tag to Lehmann
creations and so I accidentally and so by doing that I clobbered
him because I
finally understand what the problem sorry.
But see, but I don't understand I need I need a PA. I need a
WordPress guru to explain to me why AMD is able to properly set
his generator tag and everybody else does this weird thing with
the comment with the comment. What's the point of that? Why
can't Why can't they do it the right way?
I know it's people, man. People do annoying shit.
Okay. There's a long way to go. But but I need it. I need this.
I need this. God telling me why
but and just so I understand you need it because you just need to
know what's coming from where just for all kinds of other
stuff.
I need it. Well, I need to know that my code is doing something
right. Like is there something else? If there's something I'm
missing here? Then I may be I may have coded around a problem
that doesn't exist. I just need somebody to explain it to me so
I can understand that what I'm doing is actually legitimate.
Got it?
I finally upgraded my Umbral
How did you get that to happen?
This sucked this really wow balls so I have two umbrellas
one is running on old on the surface. That's actually the one
that runs the booster grams. I have not attempted an upgrade on
that because that's kind of the production machine. You know
when that's offline, the first thing that happens is I get Chad
F and comic strip blogger telling me that podcasting sucks
and doesn't work. Actually, Jeff is like the canary in the coal
mine. Hey, you're not accepting sad sums down rip rip rip. It's
the best alert emoji. Yes, the best. That's how I know it's
broken is Chad F.
That's how I know when pa things broken because Brian tells me
all right.
So I was just trying to get from Oh, from Oh dot four dot 18 I
guess two O dot five dot O, which is a significant kind of
half upgrade for them. But it's, you know, this change in the way
to do the app stores. And I wanted to reinstall IPFS
because, you know, that new app is dependent upon the new
structure. And so there's just one of these things that kept
pushing off and this morning was the morning and I decided to use
the one that is the Bitcoin machines which we talked about
on the last show, which is you know, it's the one that comes
from the factory. And it's like the you should not have to open
this up. Well, I did because whatever I did, and it's funny
to look at Umbral help websites and bump into Cridland and you
and all kinds Brian of London, like are we
all just stupid is that problem there is only us
clearly the path has been beaten before me and like, oh, okay, so
I'm not the only guy who hasn't been able to figure this out. So
what I wound up doing is I wound up reflashing, the OS, which is
on, which is pretty easy on the Bitcoin machine, the standard
housing and this Raspberry Pi, because it uses the SD card,
which I have to actually use needle nose pliers to get it
out. Who Oh, because it's well, it's behind the front of the of
the in casing. And so you can't really get your fingers in
there. And now, of course, that so I've reflashed it, it comes
back up and says it's been updated when it hasn't, we've
all seen this. And then I did update again. And then it took
and everything worked. Now, I have I also turned off my
raspberry my pie hole and I unhooked tail scale thinking
that might have made a difference. I don't know. The
bummer now is of course this so I've got the the stock OS which
which I downloaded from the get Umbral website. But now the
display doesn't work, because this is probably some extra
stuff that Bitcoin machine guys put in or whatever. Just doesn't
work. So yeah, anyway, it does work. And I found a cool app,
which I told you about, which is Oak was oak tree, oak node oak
node, the thing you've been building for months. Yeah, the
thing
that totally sure lost my cron job. Yeah, that's
the well, if you look at this thing, it creates cron jobs.
That's all it does. Yes. The front end for cron job. You have
an input like 144 If you want it to be a one day interval. Oh,
funny.
So this thing creates it calls it creates a cron job that calls
ln CLI to send the payment. Yes, sir. That's exactly what I do.
I know. They put a handsome interface on top of it.
Oh, man doesn't have a handsome interface. It's just got it.
It's just Nano.
Nano, man vi at
least come on out here with you via baby No, Max.
Come on. Cord me bitch. Let's go
man Oh,
I can't believe you day. You went through all that and then
broke the screen.
Yeah, that's disappointing. It really well. I'm going to reboot
it and then see if by magic that comes but I ran out of time for
like, okay, it's working at least it for now. It's working.
And yeah, beautifully brought out sync the chain, got my
channels back. So all of that stuff. That was quite amazing.
And it is very pretty. The new version is beautiful.
Oh, it's dynamite. It's dynamite. I don't I'm still on
4.18 Because I don't know what I honestly don't know what to do
to get because I don't. The problem is you people can
flatter SD cards and
still see that's the next that's the next machine I have to do. I
don't have an SD card. So I'm not sure what to do on that one.
It's all is on that one is your I think it's like my problem is
that my partition that holds the blockchain chain files to the
400 gigabytes of Bitcoin blockchain is the same partition
the same volume that holds lightning the hole excuse me,
the holes the Umbral route. Oh,
I bet I did exactly the same.
And so if you if that's the case, then when it makes that
the backup of the onboard directory is going to be backing
up your whole blockchain just like it did with me and you're
gonna run out of space.
Man, I feel
like what I'm gonna have to do is shut every like, click. I
feel like this is the scenario. Turn off all stop all the Docker
services. Yeah. Move the blockchain move the blockchain
files over.
This is what you did last time.
No, no, but I'm going to No, no.
This is a great experiment.
No, this is a tear. No, no, I'm not doing it the same way I did
last time. That was that was janked up and that was horrible.
Okay. nesbit's would be much better. Create, put in a set a
second drive by one terabyte drive. Move the blockchain files
over to it manually, right. Didn't mount it as a separate
volume. And then and then try it again. A shadow? No, I don't
understand how
that sounds. It's really too bad. I mean, because this a lot
of the early adopters who are just like me adopters, not not
super smart. Did a lot of this stuff. You know, this is my
first experience with Docker and
speaking of speaking of Docker, it's it's fantastic when it
comes to pod paying it has. It has made me a firm believer in
that for sure. Oh, really? Yeah, we did. We just did an upgrade
and I'm Alex bouschet, I'm a version 1.25. I think we have
the memory, the memory leak problem licked. So the issue
there, as we, as we understand it currently, is that the, it's
not that it wasn't a memory leak, it wasn't actually a
memory leak. So, you know, the way the the way that the OS
memory manager tends to work is, you know, if you if you attempt
is your if your software attempts to allocate some memory
malloc, or whatever process is using, if it asks for memory,
the OS will give it some, and then the software can say, Okay,
I'm done with this memory, I'm gonna free it. And it can give
it back. Well, there's various flags that you can set when you
give it back. And one of those flags in this case, I think it's
like mad V underscore free or something like that. It will,
the effect it has is it says, Okay, I'm done with this memory,
the operating system can have it back. But for some reason, no.
But I don't necessarily, I may need it again, or something,
something along those terms. Well, this certain flag when it
sees that the operating system says, Okay, I see that I can use
this memory again, but I'm not going to necessarily reclaim it
right now. I'm just going to leave it out there. And with the
idea that if you if the system ever comes under memory
pressure, then it will go get that stuff. It's like, okay, I
know, I've got a bunch of memory over here I can use but I'm not
going to bother with right now. And it's like, oh, I'm running
low on memory, I'll go get that. I'll go get that. Right.
Evidently, the containers, the Docker containers, somehow
obscure that process or make that process unreliable, so that
the freed memory doesn't necessarily get reclaimed
properly, even under memory pressure. Okay. And so what what
he did was he switched it, he switched the Docker container to
use a different Python interpreter. And we think that
that's all the problem. Like it's been running for a long
time. Now, what was happening is like, within a few hours, it
would be up like almost run out of memory. And now it looks like
the memory is just kind of rock solid at around. 300 300. Meg's.
Anyway, that's, I think, sh and upgrading with the Docker was
like, I mean, it took like five seconds. It was awesome. Yes,
I'm a believer on that now.
Yeah, I'm looking at my disk I have about I'm using about 60%
of that one terabyte so I'm not gonna be able to do it.
Yeah, we got to figure out a proper solution to this problem.
Because yeah, I literally can't upgrade and if I can't upgrade,
I can't develop Ella Pat anymore. Right? Umbral,
right? Right? Right? Yeah, they don't they don't seem to have
they don't seem to have a good fix for for the non standard
install. Okay, just reinstall it over it. Was that fucked
everything up?
I think that's part of what I did last time it went went
berserk.
Quickly, Dame Jennifer will be on in the board meeting in the
next two weeks, I guess.
Oh, yes. Next week. So next week is next
week. Yeah. Damn, Jennifer has raised her hand to coordinate
the hackathon. And her first question was what's a hackathon?
That's exactly who you want running your hackathon. Yes.
Perfect. It should be perfect. Yeah. We'll get some it'll be
fun to have her on. Here we need to we use she's a user she's a
user she a user of this stuff. What I mean by that is of course
she creates animated no agenda. So she's deep into bitcoin
understands all this stuff. She'll she'll say she doesn't
but she does.
She does. Yeah. What's what's? What's her? What's her day job?
Marketing? Like promotion?
You know, I'm not sure she. I know she. I'm not sure right
now.
I guess that's what we think she's I think she's
independently wealthy. She's probably like a vie Countess or
something.
Like this.
She's she's got like old British money.
Okay. Does she have goats and chickens in her castle?
No, I don't know. I don't. I don't think she does. She lives
kind of on the Qt on the DL. You know, it's like, don't want
anyone though. Yeah.
She hasn't. He has an island in the right off the Charleston
coast. I
sure hope so. You have guest rooms. Just the next question.
Rooms actually. Did we talk about trending last time? Yeah.
About trending podcasts. You know, there's there's always,
you know, we have the most recent what endpoint do we have
on the API which tells you what it's like our trending API
endpoint or I
think that's what it's called. I think it's just rendering.
Yeah. So it always tickles me to see people say, Well, you know,
it's a very black box over there podcast index, that training
thing. We don't know how that works. And we don't like boss.
Yeah. And the reason why is because these all of these
Rancors, which I'd never heard before, is that a British
version of rank a ranking?
Whenever I hear that, hear it in my head spelled SEO or
Oh, yeah. rank or exactly. So it's a rancor, which are
completely meaningless. Because everything's game a bowl. And
everyone's known this for so long. And this, everyone's using
weird data, like number of subscribes versus unsubscribes?
And, you know, maybe some people some download that, I don't
know. But why don't we just do it by, you know, and we can only
do it for value for value, but we could have an interesting
overview of people who have received the most streaming
transactions, not the amount, but the number of transactions.
And since we receive 1%, we should be able to track that.
Was that a data exercise that puts the fear of God into you?
It doesn't make me afraid. But they are in different places.
The the 1% data is in the node, right? Not in the index
database. Correct. But it can be pulled, yes. Okay, so
and the reason why is because then you can see who has people
listen to them, actually listening. This will be a great,
this will be a great stat to have. And you can say, you know,
here's we can just do minutes listened.
I had a really great conversation this week with
Alberto from lorises.com, we were talking about stats, we had
a phone call. And he was just bringing helping me brainstorm
some better ways to do the stats. So this is actually
really, really timely, because I'm going I want to get rid of
that stats page, on the thing that on the website on the
muddiest index side, this shows like, post submitted fees, a
number of them and all of this horrible, horrible needs to go.
It's just it's a piece of garbage and needs to go away.
I wouldn't mind right there having a number of minutes.
Listen today.
So that's what I'm thinking is maybe. So he encouraged he said,
Hey, here's what he says, here's what I suggest. I suggest that
you There's already people doing stats, people like John Spurlock
and, and Daniel J. Lewis has a podcast industry and size as
other people out there doing staff. You don't necessarily
want to be in the stats game, right? So he suggested to just
do some sort of score. And the score would be something very
vanilla and understandable. And so that and then other than
that, we just give give out the raw data, or huh, and then let
people compile it into different versions of the way they want
to. And one of those one of those scores could be number of
first stream Sheriff ministry.
Do you have minute stream number of I presume, can we see? Can we
see if payments are coming from the same sender? Well, I guess
technically, if they have if they put an alias in or
something, I guess. It's not very, it's not machine readable?
Yeah. Not machine readable. But you know, for me, it's just I
just like to know how many people and of course, it's only
gonna be valued for value. But you know, doesn't matter if I
have 10 this week, and I have 20 Next week, reasonable assumption
is have gone up. And then the next thing I'd like to know
maybe this is more a hosting company statistic is where
people boost and we I think we've been through this, right,
it almost shows itself what it wants to be no timeline,
its game, even if it's a game of all. The podcasters getting paid
to be gamed,
oh, horrible. What a bad thing. But I mean, but you know, just
I'd love to start messing around with it. See what comes out of
there. And might be fun.
So the trending endpoint in API to decide to dispel the black
box is, is very simple. We just take it's very crude. We take
the known API keys from apps from actual apps, not just
randos, right? So you know, okay, we know pod versus an app
podcast Guru is an app, curio, casters, and and blah, blah,
blah, we take those app keys. And we will, at the end of every
day, there's a batch job that runs through and checks how many
times those known took API tokens, have asked for have
asked for the episode list of a podcast. Meaning, that's how
many times that somebody on their app has been interested in
this podcast, okay, enough to call the API. Okay, and we just
count that number of things up to a certain limit. It's like an
integer, I think it's like three to 55 or some. There's a roll
count. And then we just sort it in reverse order when we hand it
back. So the trending tag really is just interest, just a as the
number of entity as the amount of interest from the abs for a
particular podcast. And it's not it's not I guess you can game it
by getting in there in like, trying to refresh your podcast
or something over and over and over. But yes, it's the most
stable thing that we have, because we don't we don't have
listenings. That's, I mean, we don't know. So that's like, the
best thing I could come up with. But this other thing, like I
could see putting, like a little URL parameter on the end of the,
of the, the endpoint call where you can say, okay, which
algorithm Do you want to use?
Right, there you go.
Do you want to let use lightning? Or do you want to use
there you go default? Would that work?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we just need to experiment see,
what kind of data we get out of out of the node and what how we
how we can parse that and what what what we come up with it
might be very, might be very interesting.
Yeah, cuz I can see if some people wanting one is some
people want it like breeze probably wants the they probably
want the lightning stuff, of course. But then, like a regular
podcast app, they doesn't implement it for value. They may
not care as much about that. Yeah, May. Maybe they blend it.
Maybe eventually
everyone's going to be valued for value. Just wait until the
advertising market collapses upon itself. It's all going it's
all trending that way. Dave Jones,
but this is the summer of programmatic. Everything.
Builders have been told we're
builders we're building what is it? bear markets are for
building
them? I haven't heard that. Yeah.
bear markets are for building Yeah,
you're gonna build stuff with no money. I can't say that we
did. Speaking of such let's thank some people for supporting
this value for value project is value for value podcast. The way
we operate here as if you've been listening. We only run on
the value that we provide. And people send that back to us in
many ways time, talent and treasure. We do need real
treasure to keep everything running. Let me see if we got
any I didn't get a lot of lit booster grams today. Although
12345 12,345 SAS from hard hat. Thank you very much hard hat. I
see a lot of test booths from pod verse. Nice. Yes, I see 1000
here but no, no name or anything. I'm not quite sure
where that's coming from. Another 1000 from I think Mitch
is just he's he's working. And then I think the live the pre
boost started off with blueberry 1776. So there's he said snip
first. Yes, that's our boost for right now. You can support us in
multiple ways. Go to podcast index.org. At the bottom, you'll
see a donate button. You can send SATs on chain. I'll check
the tally coin to see if anything came in. Of course we
have a Pay Pal and we love it when you use a podcast app from
new podcast app.com. And boost us amounts boost us survival
cash, please.
There must be there must be like a concert going on or a football
game because there is not very much activity in
the chat room is weird, isn't it?
It is weird. Is it just the end? Oh. Oh, I wonder if
is there some kind of Apple event?
Is that possible? But I wonder if there's some I wonder if it's
because school is starting back? Windows Desktop people
discombobulated
have an effect. It's possible. It's possible.
This is the time this is the time of year. I mean our kids
start back next week. We got some we got zero weekly. Pay
fails. None. Nada.
I see here. I'm looking at we got 21 on 21 on tally coin,
4001 33 and 20,001 40 none of which are attributable to a name
which is too bad and just in from lavish is 9999 99 around an
owner survival cash he says thank you very much.
Thank you lavish Bucha that he appreciate we've I will go ahead
and read the monthlies on the Pay Pal just because because we
don't have any other papers. So, straight out the gate pod verse,
LLC $50 versus the progress team. Alice gets $25 Thank you
podcasts consultant, Lauren ball $24.20 mich Downey also he of
pod verse $10. Thank you, sir. Christopher hora, Barak $10.
Jeremy Kevin all $10 Terry Keller, $5 sore, you're on
hugger Mueller $5 Chris cow and $5 and Jeffrey Brentford. $5.
That's our monthlies. Thank you.
Thank you all very much. Now, time to see how the booths are
doing.
We have got from George Orwell 1555 stats and he says go
podcasting
got a podcast. Thank you.
Mike Dell from blueberry gave us 2500 SAS and he also says go
podcasting go podcast. Work Karen, our buddy for the memoirs
podcast through Felton, he gave us 4321 says he says boosting
for all the incredible queueing systems around the world.
queuing, queuing,
queuing. queuing. What does that mean? I don't know.
Boost boost. But I'll we'll take it Thank you, Karen.
Oh, okay. He comes in with another 4321 through fountaining
says boosting for the International V for V realized,
Hey, we are living the international the New
International lifestyle of value for value. Boost. That's right
there. You got it. He's living it too.
He is tota in Brisbane and Joel w 96 sets. And the reason I read
this was below the 1000 sat limit but I've read it because
he said episode 96 approximately 96 minutes in length.
Coincidence?
I think not a bombshell
Satoshis dot stream sued to have a web version. Send us 5552 SAS
through fountain with a smiley face emoji.
Oh, thank you very much.
Oh, wait another five another 5550 to three from Satoshis data
stream. He says. You said no one has done a graph of boosts and
listens over time. We had that since the start. It's all in the
export nice grass per episode even boosts per chapter if your
podcast has chapters. I stand 100%. Correct. And you know,
that is exactly right. I forgot
they had that. I would love to see that on a web version.
It's dynamite. Maybe they have a web version is ended. Now. They
have a web version, it will be as hard to get to through the
telegram.
Yeah. And then you know, because what I'd love to do is I'd love
to put it in the split now. And I can see how it shows up there.
Absolutely. I'm looking forward to your web version.
Boost. This. This is the in the V for V. System. And I'm
assuming you're going to talk about this as a key component.
In your part of the Podcast Movement talk is you must
occasionally at least once per show, say something that's wrong
on purpose so that people
can correct you and boost us. Yes. It's content programming.
Yes. Very, very, very good.
Another boost from Satoshi string 5552. He says Jack
reciter is using Satoshis dust stream to Oh, awesome. Perfect,
excellent.
Okay, here's a boost from the Polish Podcast Directory podcast
d dot info. Oh, now that is that is spelled P O D KASTY. dot
info.
These are the guys that gave us a whole list of podcasts that
weren't in our directory yet.
The OPML gives big OPML Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. Give us a
Polish opium mill.
A Pope EML a pope Pope Ium.
We have. We have indexed over 7000 Polish language podcast. It
is 2000 more since I send sent to Dave our OPML file on October
2020. Thank you for saving freedom of podcasting updated
file is coming soon.
You know this. This just takes me back. Boy did I love The
original podcast index.
I loved how that worked with the length of emails. Yeah,
I mean, it wasn't really an index as much as it was a
directory that you could and it was nice about it. So you had
your OPML file and you could pretty much organize any way you
want. And then, you know, if you said, you could be your own top
level, and you'd say I want I want to organize this by
categories, and you'd look for someone who had done stuff with
aviation, and then underneath that you could put helicopters
or you know, Cessna us or whatever. You can kind of string
it together yourself. And then there was a web rendering of it.
I mean, I'm not I'm just waxing on. But God, I love that. I
still love that idea of OPML files linked together. It's so,
so cool.
Is there any type of database that does that today? Like? Is
there a way that we could like,
well, the Freedom The Freedom controller does it remember the
feet of the Freedom controller, we built the freedom controller
around this is part of the the original functionality that we
liked so much.
We used to use that as an instant messages chat. This is
the message. Let me let me explain this to people who
didn't understand
Mary is a very fucking cool system. That of course, exactly
two people on earth used?
Yes, yes. We So imagine you have an OPML file.
And people have to understand this is not just the OPML file,
as you might know it. Because in each node on an OPML, and
outline, there's attribute and that has been totally
bastardized, you know, so the people with an AR an OPML, five
file of RSS feeds, you have like 1/16, of the functionality of
OPML.
Yeah, yeah, you, everybody thinks that OPML is just for
importing and exporting RSS feeds. And that's not at all.
That's not at all what it in fact, that's what full length,
that's what killed OPML it is it is a misunderstanding of what is
use was dope. OPML is a full outlining markup language. And
one of the one of the attributes on each node is to include the
URL of another OPML file, so that when you can see that when
you're going down and expanding the nodes of your outline, if it
sees a reference to the URL of another OPML file, when you
expand the node, it goes out and grabs all the nodes from the
other outline and puts them as children of the node, you just,
you just expanded
and preserved the state, which the original author of that
remote node saved it in. It's really, really, really cool.
So what we did was, we were using it, we just had an
outline, instant outline, I would instantly Yeah, and I
would have I would have an OPML file and Adam would have an OPML
file, and we would have a master OPML file that just referenced
each of the two and then every occasionally I would just
collapse and re expand my my mind node that referenced Adams
OPML and all the latest stuff he wrote in his outline would come
into my outline. And that's how we That's how literally how we
communicated for like five years
then we also did the watch this this outline, so that if you
would updated your outline, then it would go bold in my outline,
so I knew there was something new and I could expand it and
get your new stuff. Why don't we lay it out anymore? Why don't we
start
later you know, later what we did was put into the freedom
controller the email thing, and if if an outline ever changed,
it would diff it and send you the process do the nodes that
obtain we did a bunch of crazy stuff man.
Nothing is successful with this project. No.
Coal McCormick sent us 3000 SATs through fountain nice that's
cool. Because you asked the way I'm able to give 2000 SATs for a
listen is through fountain promotion feature. Money goes in
20% goes to the app rest of it is sets to give away my vision
is to be known as the guy who gives his audience the most sets
I'm doing this on the last Sunday of every month for one
year. Karen down did V for V episode and split focusing in
Split focusing on my show America plus and breaks it down
wonderfully.
Oh, okay. That's a good show. Excellent.
Yeah. Thanks for the explanation be be glass too soon as 1221
SATs through fountain you need just as boost.
Gotcha. Boost
anonymous. Says 100 sasses podcasts index lb love child
test. I just thought that was funny. That Amy sent his 500
SATs and said LB is awesome. Yes it is. Bumi we know Bumi is on
the show last week send us 1000 SATs he says whoo What a
beautiful day I'm reviewing the booster gram pull request
all right. Oh, that's probably the booster grams from the page.
Is it not know
this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the for the podcast index
website. Please talk about Yeah, quick update.
Mitch just sent a test sending 1000 SATs from pod verse mobile.
There we go. Oh, nice. Adam did the amount show up and LeapPad
correctly this time. Yes, it did. Because I was getting just
the split, I was getting 10 SATs instead of showing up in helipad
instead of 1000 SATs. Okay, that was my bug report. That bug
report was ordered an hour ago and it's fixed the course.
podcast in 2.0. We got some scissor cuts, but it's fixed.
budget budget tests boost for Mitch. Thank you, Mitch. The
1000s 1000 Each here
they are boost boost boost bunch
of them. Brian of London since 1948 1948 says he's really
podcast index webpage is through the podcast in this web page.
Podcast index. Oh, cool. Yeah. Nice. He says, he says, Well,
hello. Well, hello.
Well, hello. snow boots. Now what I meant was, how are you
doing? Here we go. How you doing? Bucha.
See, dubs send us 10,101 says to the boost CLI. And he says
GitHub is centralized and censorship is unacceptable. Git
is a decentralized protocol. But how long would it take to get
development going? Again, if GitHub de platformed us today, I
plead the board to consider self hosting these critical services
at least as a backup. See, he's got that link here. Click on it.
You just click on it.
Is there not? A is there not like a Git server in the Umbral?
Oh, I don't know is there and you're and the only reason I
bring it up? Let me see the only reason I bring it up is that
could be kind of nice as a backup. Everyone could be could
run one. Let me see. Don't we have a get something I'm looking
at their their athletes
is link is to get get T gi T EA. And what's interesting about
this page that I'm looking at get t.io is evidently their
source.
Gi T EA
their source code is evidently hosted on GitHub. And let's
see, here we go. Yeah, so I can set it up right here a painless
self hosted Git service and where to GitHub, Bitbucket and
GitLab. You can fully self hosted and private and can you
import.
No, probably I am not opposed to getting to getting off GitHub. I
just went. I just need it to not be a barrier for people to do
contributions.
Oh, let's leave it on. Let's just leave it on GitHub and oh,
here mirror repository repository from GitHub. Hello.
Oh, okay. Okay, so that's the thing. He does it right here.
Yeah, you can just you can just make a backup. Yeah. On your own
down with that.
Yeah. All right. Are you gonna do it? Or do I do it? No, I'll
do it. Okay.
I'll do it when I get my up my father. Follow up.
Okay. When I get five oh, Hawaii Five. Oh.
Okay. Jean Everett sent us 33 333 33,333 Says who? Fountain
fall, man.
He's blue. I just said Hawaii Five. Oh, yeah. I just felt like
I needed to play it. Come on, man. doesn't miss getting
pumped. How did you find that? Get ready for it. Here we go.
Sorry, I just feel so good on a Friday afternoon. That's
me. You had that thing in your back pocket that came out of
nowhere. Sorry. You just said you had a cute you've had that
thing queued up for six months
waiting. Waiting for the right Friday. Yeah, that's right.
Exactly.
He says G never 333 333 says boost
Joe.
Boost. First time. First time longtime podcaster what he's
trying to say here. He's got emojis sprinkled in here. I
don't know. Okay, first time longtime thank you for what you
guys are doing. You're changing the world. Oh, and hi folks.
Follow me on hive. Oh jeans a hive guy.
Okay. All right. Hey, Hiber nice. How you doing? Hi, Eva.
Thank you Jane. See Jean ever came in again with 100,000 says
oh
shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula
who's this? Jean Everett boost. So he says please credit the
second boost for me today to the Adam curry fan page on Hive at
Adam curry. 30
Oh, I have a fan page nine he did. I didn't know this. All
right.
Ps are monk born and raised and my mom spoke extremely highly of
Eugene curry.
Oh, my grandfather. Come Nice. Yeah, Eugene curry. He was quite
the upstanding member of the community. Oh
my god. Bless the curry clan. I'll give more details when I
donate to na next. Oh, nice.
That's so nice. I'd love to hear about it. Yeah, I mean, my dad
grew up in Armand, I've been in Armonk, all my life. Visiting.
My uncle 94 still lives in that house.
My mom is the home home base of IBM IBM. Yeah. Are they still
there? They still have a presence you
bet. Yeah. Okay, that's still that's still there. HQ.
Macintosh 2222 through found and he says good episode as always,
Macintosh. Thank you, Macintosh.
We love rows of ducks.
Brian of London in the hive Dao, send us 40,550 He says Shabbat
Shalom Leeroy II Vinnie be in but
okay, Shabbat Shalom, y'all.
That's the way you say that in Texas.
That's right. Well, my partner Ron Blum was a Jew from Atlanta.
Okay, and so, you know, I've done many Seders and stuff like
that at his house and it was like Shabbat Shalom, y'all got
any RC Cola?
Let, let me try that. Let me give this another shot again,
because I think he's trying to send Roy a message as he says,
Shabbat shalom. The RO ye be in bacha?
Oh, are we going to? Oh, I know. Yeah. Yes. Move over. I want to
be in those silk sheets. I think what that man
this is that is not appropriate. Brian. He's blueberry sent a
17,776 size sound and he says 148 unique geometric boosts. I
don't know what that means. Wow. No, I like it. Those two grand
geometric
that's a booster gram.
It's a puzzle gram.
Okay. 100 Let's start at 148 unique geometric boosts checked
22 different ISO boost based boost but playing just super
bitchin. Dave can you channel your inner warlord of the
Wasteland? Hashtag humongous vibes and hit me with bring
forth the goat counter.
What exactly does he want?
I don't know. I think is are you wanting me to say that bring
forth the goat counter. I hope that's what he wanted.
But he's got it. That's what he got.
Blueberry. You're weird dude. But I love you. Scotty is Cora
51 SATs Van Halen boost and he says another eruption of SATs
bam
bam thank you again for another great show. I look forward each
week for the show and the ability to give you guys value
back for the excitement you give me each episode.
Oh, thank you. That's exactly what I love hearing. That's how
it works value for value in a nutshell.
I'd love it. 2222 from last me says Dave, presentation slides
in a row. Thanks to Mr. Cridland for fixing my pull request for
the road ducks 2220 Satoshis to booster grid to the Mr. Graham
numerology page on GitHub. Yeah, Lyceum para Petros is now a
contributor running with scissors. Very nice. How do I
how do I check incoming sets from different apps my main
podcatcher is now fountain. But I will also use pod verse curio
caster caster Matic POS station breeze and boost the hill. Hi.
Is Ella pad easy to install for a non techie person? Could you
integrate Alby to Martin? Linda Scott? Well, yes, z as long as
you have a volume unknown role. Yeah. So even if you don't have
an envoy, you just have a node. It's still pretty easy. Yeah,
I would say the easiest way is to is to run an Umbral. And
then, so what I do is I make sure that my Umbral has a 1%
split for my podcasts, so I'm not so I'm not really receiving
the bulk of any SATs coming in, but I'm using it for helipad
mainly. Okay, and then after a while, those SATs stack up and
you know, you you can fill up your wallet with it.
He got some Jack got some scratch. If you need Martin, if
you need help, if you don't have an Umbral note and you have some
other node, and you need help with what the configuration
files supposed to look like for help at tell me and I will be
glad Yeah, boost your questions. Yes, and I will reply without
boosting you back boost your questions. The delimiter comes
through blogger 15,033 sets
Yeah, there is everybody. He says
Hi, Adam and Dave. Please keep doing unbelievable things.
Satoshi by Satoshi to the extreme. Anyways, Y'all are
invited to the podcast about the most important tech invented by
mankind. Artificial Intelligence, narrated by silky
voice of Gregory William Forsythe Forman view from Kitt.
Just type in your browser or any podcaster podcatcher AI dot
cooking. Yo,
yo, back atcha bombshell. Nothing from Roy Hmm.
Not a singer after all
that after all that.
Usually what happens? This is the way that it goes down almost
once a month is I don't read anything from Roy and then he
emails like hey,
man, are you okay? Man was up.
Yeah, he's like, why don't you read my boost? I'm like, Oh
crap, and I go look for it. And it was there, and I missed it.
So it's just like, this is the way that I get ROI to talk to
me. Otherwise you won't ever email. He won't message me.
He's been distracted. Okay, I called him the other day. Okay,
yeah, he's been distract. He's just has to do like business
stuff. That's just very destructive for guys like Roy.
Yeah, yeah, that. I just wanna make sure he didn't run out of
stats.
No, I think that's why he was doing business stuff like shit.
I gotta boost these guys. Yeah.
Gotta get out of the robe. All
right, what else do we need to do for today's Board meeting? Is
there anything that we need to cover that we haven't done yet?
Well, I'm looking through the list here. Oh,
by the way, I should mention Brees has updated their app
they've got now you can do icon view and you can their stats so
you can see who you've boosted how much so they're they're
really coming up on the on the podcast app side now which is
nice to see.
Dan Benjamin been talking with him a lot lately. He is putting
he's gonna head pin pod ping into fireside cool and I'm
helping him through that so that he can get ready for the live
item stuff. He said live item is going to is going to take some
database changes for him. He's gonna He's
gonna offer live item with a stream to his to his podcasters
not with a stream initially, but he's just going to do he's gonna
put support in it. So the feed because
it seems to me like even that is something that you could
Dockerized real quick.
A stream server?
Yeah. And fire up. If someone's doing a stream just haven't they
fire up a little Docker thing. And then good to go. In a
podcast host. I'm just I'm just drinking. I'm just Mr. Docker
now now that I've had to deal with it. Like, oh, this is
pretty cool.
Yeah, I know. I agree. I don't know how much. I feel like you
could do that. Maybe I'm crazy.
It's a bit like, like dashboards on voltage, you know, it's the
same thing. It's like, you know, it's firing up a Docker and and
then you got a whole machine you log into, and then you've got a
thunder hub, you know?
And you could keep a fleet of them running. Yeah. Like, I
don't know, do you remember? Did you ever you ran your own Apache
at some point in time, right? Yes, of course. Do you remember
how
that's where it works comes from?
Yeah, it worked. Do you remember how Apache had this notion of
child processes? And Max? Max number of waiting process?
No, man, I'm still at cgi bin baby. I don't know.
Oh, Lord. Server side includes server side includes
the link link tag,
the so in the Apache config file, you would specify Okay,
the minimum spare servers I think is what it was called. And
so
it would keep Oh, yes, yes, I do recall this parameter. Sure.
Yeah. If you had like 50 hits, that all spawned a process, it
would always be sure to keep it at least like five ready to go.
And like, I wonder if you could do it that way where you had
like a fleet and you say, Okay, I'm always going to keep five
stream servers spun up ready to go. And then as, as the streams
fall off, and you don't need as many you begin to prune back on
and kill the doctor's notes. You always keep at least a few
running. So that they're instant, you know, so you
know, and what's it really going to be I mean, no agenda, which
is pretty big show. Now we're between two and 3000 streams on
any given show day. So it's not going to break the bank.
Well, oh, Mehta said, as you're a cast as a Dockerized ice cast
liquid soap in a box. Oh, there you go. You go and work. I mean,
this just sounds doable to me. I don't does bandwidth. What's
your bandwidth? What stream rate do you use on the on your
stream?
Well, let me see. I use See 128 120
Now. I can't I'm not good enough to do the math for all that.
Well, if you have If you have 1000, then you have a year at a
megabit per second, I think. I don't know. I don't know.
That doesn't seem I mean, that just doesn't seem that Oh, it's
just getting it
all working. And you know, someone's got to fire up a
streaming server. You know, this is stuff the stuff to be done.
Stuff. Sorry, long COVID still.
Yeah, but that's nothing. That's doable. As he wants me to do I
want somebody to do the full monty.
They're going to they're going to and Apple is going to
integrate all even the lit tag you watch. You
know, I don't disbelieve
for all your children leave the house.
Oh, see, we get Yeah, we get at least six years.
I'm telling you. It'll happen. All right, Dave. Two, we call it
a day. Sure. Yeah, we
got I got more stuff. But we can we get another show next week.
That's the beautiful thing about PUC
and we do and then the week after that we're going to be in
in Dallas, from Podcast Movement. And we'll do the board
meeting from from Dallas. We're not quite sure how we're going
to do it
yet. But we will do it. We'll make it up on the fly like
teenagers do.
And again, Dave, congratulations on all of the success. Yeah, me
too. And everybody else everybody listening. Thank you
so much for attending the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Next
week, we'll be back with more stuff to discuss See you then
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