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end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr.
Dave Jones.

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I tried to find a clip. This was
from like, I don't know. 2025

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episodes ago. Yeah. When I said,
I think I made the statement

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that that I had just right
before the show, and watched my

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son drive away on his
motorcycle, and then I was

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terrified.

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I remember that I remember that.
It would be in the episode

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though. It's not a clip that we
have separate,

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right? Yes. I think it was like
right at the beginning of the of

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the episode. Yeah. Well, of
course in a mid

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everybody hates their kid on
this on two wheels with an

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engine my daughter's forbidden.
I told her very early on I said

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you never ever ever get on an in
or on anything that has less

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than four wheels. And if there's
an issue you call me I will send

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a limo.

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Whether it's intentionally less
than four wheels, or by

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accident, either way,

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either way. Either way. Those
are the limits and and she all

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by herself decided hot air
balloons were also off limits

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because she rejected one of
those because she knows I said,

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Hey, hot air balloons. You're
basically controlled crash when

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you're landing so I don't like
those either. So

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if you have to explain the hot
air balloon thing to your kid,

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then there's no there's more.

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So you bring this up? Yes,

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I bring this up because
Wednesday, last Wednesday

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afternoon I get a call from
somebody from froze some of

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somebody's using my wife's phone
who is not my wife, which was

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problems all was always weird.

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Uh, yes. Pick up pick it up. I'm
like, I'm like hey in this like,

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Dave this is you know, and it's
her one of her co workers she's

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a teacher. Your son has been in
an accident and I think we think

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his leg is broken and but and I
was like, Oh my God. Yeah, and

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so freaking out and

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you're at work at this point.
Right? And this is yes. And this

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is just before this is the most
busiest time of the year. You

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got you got accountants like
can't fight again can't can't

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figure out their password
capslock yes all current can't

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print can't for a bit that's
number one. Isn't it can't print

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Oh, yeah. Oh, that's always

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number one. Yeah. So she was
like we don't know much we're

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trying to figure out what's
going on we they're taking him

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to the hospital right now and
but I don't even know where to

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tell you to go and so I was
like,

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was not helpful.

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Yeah, she she was like, Give me
Give me one minute and I'll call

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you right back once I found out
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now you're just sitting there
counting the counting the SEC

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Yes. She calls me back. It's
like they're going to UAB which

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is a hospital here in
Birmingham. Very great hospital.

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Fantastic. It's like the it's
like the third and busiest

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trauma unit. Emergency Room.

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They fly him in the chopper. No,
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We live we live like three
minutes from this Austin.

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Still a valid chopper ride. He
did get gypped

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like MASH style where we're on
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stretcher on the skid. Yeah.
Look, I'm laughing but it's not

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funny. Of course at this point.
You're prepping

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for me. Yes, there we go. So I
get I get over there and I mean,

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it's just he's got he's got a
broken right femur his he's got

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cracked ribs and all the other
stuff but just you know, Road

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Rash and bumps and bruises but
he's miraculously a you know,

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his helmet worked all that kind
of stuff. He he that's it. And

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at the end of the day, he ended
up with the broken femur and

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cracked ribs. He had a punctured
lung but that seems was sliding.

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He's got to

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but he's, it's gonna kind of be
a road to recovery.

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Can I ask you a few questions?
Of course you can one what

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happened?

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Well, he was in a three. He was
on a three lane. One way road. A

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lot of one railroads in
Birmingham, three lane. One way

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going. He had just left school
was was driving in the leftmost

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lane. And a lady.

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I already know what happened.
She didn't see him. She just

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went left and pushed him right
off the road

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yet. Well, it was a little bit
worse than that because she, she

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has she backed up over him. I'm
the guy you want in these

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situations, Dave, I will make
you laugh all day long.

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This is why I did this while I
wanted to do the show to make

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you feel good. Yeah, my son's
lived in literally and they're

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laying on the couch and pain and
I'm like, I'm doing the show

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just so I can get feel better
about myself.

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And you deserve it.

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I deserve it that a yes. So he's
he's in the left lane. She's in

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the middle lane. So She
evidently we don't know why yet

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or anything like this. She, I
guess, though, she's gonna miss

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her turn didn't see him and just
whips it across his lane into to

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make a left hand turn. And he
and T boned. He, uh, he he

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almost T bone. I mean, she, she
just he hit the front of her car

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and flipped over the hood landed
a he went about 20 feet. Because

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he was going about 40 And

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that would be a record in the
dwarf toss. That would be

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fantastic.

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It was a dwarf.

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I mean, that's a real bad one
that he's lucky didn't have you

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know, handlebars or something
embedded into his crotch. You

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know, this is this is what very

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he did. He did bruises. Oh,
yeah, he's got bruises all in

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the in the hips and everything
broken. The broken femur is

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high. Right and right.

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And that's the worst for this
the worst? Probably the femur.

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Yeah, they had so they put a
titanium rod. Yeah. In the femur

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went in from the knee. Oh, it's
dude. Yeah. So yeah,

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head operations. You had
sleepless nights, but he's home

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now.

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So we we get Yeah, we get home
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home late Saturday night. And
then then you're in you know,

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when you get home from something
like that. When you're in the

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hospital, we spent four days in
the hospital. When your hospital

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you're in? You know, you know
this. You're in like, alternate

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reality mode. Yeah, totally. You
lose all track of time. It's

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like the it's like there is no
world outside of what is

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happening in your hospital room.
Yeah. And so then we get home

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Saturday night, and it was like,
then you have to learn how to

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live with this new thing, right?
Like this new reality. Yeah. So,

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okay. He can't walk. But he's
got to get to the bathroom. He

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can't, you know, we have this
big schedule of medications to

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give at certain times of day. So
we're near we're trying to

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figure this so then the next you
know, next couple of days are

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just figuring out this new
routine. And then think it was

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Tuesday. Yeah. Tuesday night. He
starts running a fever and and

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the pain the Tylenol pain meds
don't stop it. And it's still

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like one on one. And we're like,
oh, god, he's got some kind of

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infection infection. Yeah. So
we're Oh, here we go. You know,

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so we go back, we go to the back
to the emergency room, because

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it's like 1030 at night. Back to
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later on.

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I feel so bad for you guys. I
mean, we all went any parent has

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been through versions of this
maybe not as severe but oh, man,

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this is shit.

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You know, it's the worst. And I
told him before we go in. I'm

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like, Look, man, I hate I'm so
sorry to do this, but

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something's wrong. You're taking
you're taking the pain. You're

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taking the fever reducer but you
still got like a one to one

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fever. Man, we don't have a
choice. This is going to I'm

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telling you right now. This is
gonna suck. We're going to be

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there for probably six hours at
least. But we just really don't

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have a choice. We got a we got
to find out what's going on. So

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we we take him back. We were
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morning. All night long. And
they did all these tests just

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blood cultures and everything us
scans and everything you can

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imagine couldn't find a single
thing wrong with it. The only I

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mean you know, except the
obvious but right no infections

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or whatever. So then, you know
they the doctor finally came in

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he's like, Man, I don't know the
only thing I can think of is

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maybe he picked up a virus when
he was when he was here. I

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really don't know he's like,
just go back home and and keep

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going just keep watching them
and like keep giving him the

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Tylenol. So with that, that that
was Tuesday night so we've we

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finally kind of get back we got
some sleep

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and he's stable and everything.

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Yeah, the fever seems to have
gone down and they are going

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back to normal and all that
stuff. Yeah, it's just been a

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great it's been like the last
seven days. He's a bit nuts.

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I need to ask you just a few
more questions, and then I'll be

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done because now comes the
parental questions. Yes. So at

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any sort of FAD parents yes. At
any point did your wife Melissa

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did she say, I told you I told
you should have never led? Was

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there any of that going on?

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None those words, but that was
that was absolutely.

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Okay. Now know. Is grant right
your son grant? Yes, grant. So

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what? So you see him? And of
course, he's like, I mean, so

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where are we at with this
future? motorcycle riding? I

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guess is my question.

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There is no, there's no you
don't have to. We did not have

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there. There was no parental
Fiat. Yeah, it happened with

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that. He he volunteered that
when he was like, I'm good.

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I feel so bad for him. And for
everybody. That sucks. But you

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know, we have you ever been a
bike rider? A motorcycle rider?

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Oh, yeah, yeah,

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I read a bike. I mean, I for
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I I never broke any bones. But I
got scars and still some gravel

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in one of my elbows. We all have
something from the two wheel

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experience, you know? Yeah,

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I did. I read bro dirt bikes
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I rode on the road for three or
four years. And then it's like,

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at some point, I looked at it
and said, you know, this is darn

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kids, three kids.

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Instead, let me get an old beat
up truck that goes 35 miles an

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As much, much more much better.
Yes, yes. Yes. Much better,

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by the way that that clip you
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Oh, cool. That's the one I
wanted to send the one you can't

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play. Just let

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me know. Just let you know. Oh,
man, I am I'm Well, I'm glad

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he's okay. He'll remember this
one for a long time. That's for

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Yeah, it also has this weird. It
had this weird effect where on

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me where I was thinking about
how you're in the hospital

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alternate reality, I was just
thinking about how, like, tight

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the schedule is, you know, like,
all the things that I have to do

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during the week. And how, what
what little margin of error

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there there is for probably six
is a you know, we're I'm like 55

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to 60 hours during tax season,
at the at the day job in this.

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So usually I do quite a lot of
podcast stuff and lunch and at

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night. And then we do the
podcast on Fridays at noon on my

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lunch break. And then we have
the kids in, in school and their

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things of taking them back and
forth. Not my youngest taking

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her back and forth to all these
different places. There is such

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little margin of error when it
comes to scheduling. And when

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something like this happens,
you're like, it just all

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philosophy, like falls apart.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't like I

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didn't even go to work for Oh,
good, good, good. You know, when

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you're when your kids laid up,
it's like, there's just

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everything's like, okay,
everything grinds to a halt.

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Well, I was pleased to see that.
Because of course, you checked

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out of everything and podcast
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did kind of continue. I was very
curious to see now if Dave's not

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there posting about stuff. He's
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always kind of count on Brian of
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sharing of information,
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was some good stuff going on. So
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gas. Now we really missed you. I
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in the broader industry, but as
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Well, welcome back the board
welcome issue, and we're glad to

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that everything's gonna be okay.
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the platinum level health
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approved for podcast

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really hand at work? Yes. Okay.
You made a Cadillac, the

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Cadillac plan? That's okay, I
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the Cadillac the Caddy? So I've
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could do this is Nadia is I
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where we pay where we podcast
index, hey, app developers to

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write podcast apps, we could pay
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this is a brilliant program,
because all we have to do is

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announce that we're going to do
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it. Are you referring to the
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what do you want to say this?

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Perhaps I am, but I'm just
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We can do this all kinds of
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We can announce things in this,
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will do awesome PR who will
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publish it and tell us all how
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And then we don't but we don't
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doesn't cost us anything. We
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not true. Because eventually CR
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then he's gonna He's gonna call
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No, none. That's it. But we
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problem here is manipulating the
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we're not a publicly traded
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Right? Well, we, in our plans,
this is true. Our plans for 2023

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was to pay app developers
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So that's our plan for 2023. I'm
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developments and I have kind of
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past. And really last year,
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pneus about Facebook, with
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podcasting. And Spotify is going
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kind of falling apart. It really
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one really wants to say it. But
in my opinion, these companies

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have done that done the
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say, you know, there's really no
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deal and, and the articles show
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Brookings Institution, we can't
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and the whole problem with
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someone doesn't like any content
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your advertisers.

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When did they can Okay? I
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Brookings article, I start I
read the first three paragraphs,

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I thought, You know what, this
was may be more interesting. If

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I don't read this, because you
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wanted to talk about it. So I'm
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that was, that was one it was
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one of my morning and one of our
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like, yeah, and then nothing
from Dave and shift. He says,

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You really hate what I'm doing
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I do that to my parents, too.
That drives me nuts. How's grant

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and um, nothing radio silence
for like,

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oh, oh, you're a horrible son.
Nice, because I don't I'm close

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to my phone. So this was policy
recommendations for addressing

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content moderation in podcasts.
That's the That's the title of

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this, this article.

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And escalation, by the way,
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the same reporter.

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reporter isn't?

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remember the name. That's a hard
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intelligence data scientist.

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Yeah, remember? Cuz she did.
Okay. So she's the one for,

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again for Brookings that did
that big data analysis where she

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took like, 20,000 podcast
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like, misinformation keywords or
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Oh, you're right. That's right.
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data analysis. Yes. Well, now
she's teamed out of Berkeley, I

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think. Yeah, probably. She's
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artificial intelligence data
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What would you call an essay And
there's a couple of things in

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here that are interesting, in
fact, starts off debates over

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content moderation. And podcasts
hinged primarily on whether and

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how widely to share so called
lawful but awful content. I like

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that so much. That's the title
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today lost. Oh, yeah, of course
also, but also I love it.

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You're an alliteration expert.

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Yeah, it's OCD, major podcasting
apps. The applications commonly

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used on smartphones, tablets, or
computers to listen and download

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the podcast episodes already
have policies and procedures in

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place to deal with blatantly
illegal content. Spotify or

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Apple podcasts won't knowingly
distribute in an Islamic state

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recruitment podcast says doing
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prosecution for supporting a
designated terrorist group. How

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podcasting have should handle
hate speech, misinformation, and

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related content that is legal,
but hate may have harmful

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societal effects is far less
clear. So just reading this

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paragraph, I had to force myself
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minute you get into handling
hate speech, misinformation,

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very subjective and related
content that's legal, but may

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have harmful societal effects.
So that right off the bat,

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they're saying, you know, this
has to be human intervention

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based upon morals and standards
and not not legality, right.

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It's not, it's not the, you
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being legality. Being legality
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the broader public determines
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versus righties. opinion of the
moment.

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Now, let's get to the next
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understand where all this is
coming from, you understand

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what's going on in other news
stories, and then we can go to

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what they what they suggest.
Below the level of blatantly

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illegal content, the most
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daunting challenge. On one hand,
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apps like Spotify and Apple
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than 25 million monthly podcast
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Their content moderation
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societal harms is interesting
the societal harms that can

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result from the mass
distribution of hate speech and

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misinformation. And here we go.
Some examples popular podcasts

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played a prominent role in
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in the lead up to the January 6,
assault on the US Capitol, for

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instance, and have also been a
key vector in spreading

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misinformation related to COVID
19 vaccines leading to

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unnecessary deaths. So this is
already political. It's already

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it's already political. And now
you're misinformation is and

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President Barack Obama was out
today talking about this. It's

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given people misinformation, it
may very well be, but so are a

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lot of other things. And is it
really speech or do people have

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any? Do people have any
responsibility themselves,

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motorcyclists also kill people,
but motorcycles, you know, and

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by the way, it's not the speed
that kills you. It's the sudden

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lot lack of speed that will,
that will hurt you. So now, they

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don't really go into much of, of
anything, really. But they feel

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that there should be regulation,
regulators and lawmakers have a

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role to play in shaping policies
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they admit regulating podcast is
difficult in part because it

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requires balancing the right to
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need to preserve societal
welfare and protect against

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social harms. I'd like to
understand where they got that

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from.

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This distrust feels like a
retread. It's feels like the

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same article being written over
and over and over again. I

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agree. I mean, you know, we need
we need rules and and, you know,

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what everyone calls censorship,
on maybe maybe

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calling for regulation, but the
regulation has to balance,

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freedom of expression. They
don't even say freedom of

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speech, but freedom of
expression. Okay, we'll take

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that with the need to preserve
societal welfare and protect

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against social harms. Whose job
is that? Who's whose job is it

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to protect from preserve
societal welfare and protect

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against social harms? And I
don't know either it's very

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well, and they will tell you
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I thought that's what we do
through the process of

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governing. I mean, this this is
the this is the issue is okay.

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lawful but awful. Okay. Lawful
is again, that is what EU lawful

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is what you come to, as a broad
as, as a, let's just say, as a

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country, let's just reduce it
down here to mate for simplicity

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sake, as, as UK as a country,
you your laws are the things

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that you have, as a society,
democratic, if we're speaking

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democratically here, as a
society, through your

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representatives have passed in
order to satisfy the will of the

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people. If there's no this
lawful but awful, that is always

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a shifting set of opinions of a
of by definition of a few.

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Because if it was a opinion held
by the many, or the majority, it

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would eventually become law. I
mean, there's this is, this is

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by definition, the few trying to
regulate perceived harm on

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behalf of the many when they're
not, they do not have access to

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legislative power. Or am I wrong
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that? No, I think you're
absolutely right. I mean, again,

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it all comes down to you know,
where you are at this at this

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moment, this time in history
this day, and everything can be

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awful. But there's a lot of
awful content that is completely

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acceptable. And it's also
killing people, even though it's

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certainly in mainstream. So
this, but this is, this isn't

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what's happening here. This is
in the United States, definitely

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political. We have Elon Musk
threatening to open up Twitter,

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buy it and, you know, bring
Trump back. We have now that

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that's that this is what's going
on. You know, this is why we see

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Barack Obama and President Obama
coming out and saying, oh, you

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know, this is killing people.
You know, the one and one and

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five families aren't vaccinated
because of misinformation. Of

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course, it's all the podcasters
fault. So here, they do have

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some thoughts on that. So it's a
coordinated effort or a

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coordinated timing of
publication. As you say, it's a

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retread. Yeah. Why is it a
retread because there's there's

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a push right now, where we have
to save the Save the platforms

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that are would be Twitter, but
also it would be Apple podcasts

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and would be Spotify. That that
I think is what what this group

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of people want. So they
recommend content guidelines and

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policies, but this is regulators
who should require podcasting

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apps to clearly disclosed what
their content moderation

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policies are. Now this is okay.
I mean, it's fine. Yeah. Now the

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problem. The problem is, a lot
of this is done algorithmically.

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And I don't think anyone's going
to want to I don't think

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anyone's going to want to
publish their algos. But they

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00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:06,360
give some examples here Apple
podcasts has a prohibition on

442
00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:11,910
mean spirited content. Hmm. And
they say we should know what

443
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,910
that means. Well, this is
exactly the problem. You can't

444
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:19,440
explain mean spirited. And can
it be distinguished from

445
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,460
critical content? Yeah,

446
00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:29,550
yeah. mean spirited. I mean,
you're talking about I mean,

447
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,700
could Ricky Gervais even have a
podcast on Apple podcasts?

448
00:28:32,790 --> 00:28:35,010
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I
certainly couldn't have any

449
00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:37,560
podcast because I can come
across as very mean spirited.

450
00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:43,379
Yeah, like there's watch half
the half the comics that are

451
00:28:43,379 --> 00:28:46,169
alive that would would be off.

452
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,370
And I think And wouldn't that be
great. This this may be part of

453
00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:53,820
the of the process. But now we
now there's something else. This

454
00:28:53,820 --> 00:29:00,120
is, again, by regulation podcast
app should also be required to

455
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,750
publicly and transparently
disclosed high level details

456
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:06,450
about their content moderation
practices, as well as their

457
00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:12,300
review process. I'm so happy
because we can check that box.

458
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,780
None. Okay, now, none.
recommendation algorithms,

459
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:24,030
podcasting apps should your
favorite word should be required

460
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:27,000
to disclose the content that
recommendation algorithms are

461
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,840
amplifying the most as well as
basic details about how those

462
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,920
algorithms work? Yeah, that's
not gonna happen. No one's gonna

463
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,330
publish that that's no

464
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,120
information. Yeah. And most

465
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320
of it is you know, is friends
family, payola who knows?

466
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:51,180
Okay, well this comes this is as
so, so much of this goes back to

467
00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:57,570
when things went from time pure,
chronological reverse

468
00:29:57,570 --> 00:30:03,180
chronological timeline to algos.
because everybody is concerned,

469
00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:08,460
all people care about is the
algo. In when you don't have an

470
00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:09,060
algo

471
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:14,190
you're loser. I guess you have
an algo. Oh, wait a minute. Wait

472
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:17,580
a minute. Wait a minute. I heard
James Cleveland, you have not

473
00:30:17,580 --> 00:30:22,290
heard it yet. I didn't flip it
for you. He literally said,

474
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:27,780
podcasts index does does
filtering podcast index has

475
00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:32,850
decided that the German version,
the rip off version of pod news

476
00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:36,930
appears as number one in the
search below the original pod

477
00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:41,010
news. That is James James's
work. And he called it a

478
00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:41,610
decision.

479
00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:48,120
Oh, it was it was a decision,
oddly enough, not even made by

480
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,350
me. It was made by Steven
Crowder who read submitted a

481
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:56,730
pull request to the website with
without even knowing. So that's

482
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,730
that's an interesting. Okay, so
this is that's actually kind of

483
00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:02,460
an interesting discussion. I
don't want to sidetrack us here.

484
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:11,250
But we. So this is, I think, a
very good illustration of why it

485
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:18,480
is so difficult to make some of
these decisions like to why it's

486
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:23,220
almost absurd to expect to
expect people to be held

487
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,090
accountable for some of these
things that are almost

488
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:34,650
impossible. So you have this
long standing debate between

489
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,190
should the search results show
the thing that is the most

490
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:48,480
popular, or the thing that gets
the exact textual hit. So if you

491
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,770
search for pod, if you search
for, let's just say Adam curry,

492
00:31:56,190 --> 00:32:02,760
and there and there is a podcast
that exists called Adam curry.

493
00:32:02,850 --> 00:32:07,350
That's the title of the podcast
by somebody who just some rando

494
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:14,700
from West Virginia who created a
podcast on Anchor. Well, some

495
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,500
people are going to be looking
for that Rando podcast from

496
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:25,800
anchor and maybe three total in
the universe. But they may be

497
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,370
looking for it. And when they
type Adam curry, and they get

498
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:33,090
back no agenda as the first hit
and they have no clue who you

499
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:38,670
are or no agenda is. And then
four layers down. Four levels

500
00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:41,400
down there is the Adam curry
that they looked that they were

501
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,990
actually looking for the Rando
on.

502
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:45,270
Funny thing was they were
actually looking for Adam

503
00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:46,950
Carolla. That's why I wrote

504
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:56,040
her Corolla, Corolla Corolla.
And so that in when the question

505
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:04,020
is asked, Why, if this, if this
is there is an exact match? Why

506
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:07,890
would that ever not be the first
result, because it's literally

507
00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:12,090
the exact match? Now I gave us I
gave an extreme example where

508
00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:16,980
the popularity differences is,
is huge. But you could, if you,

509
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:22,260
if you get that example down a
little bit, it becomes more ill

510
00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:28,530
illustrative, where you say,
Okay, there's, and I went, I

511
00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:33,150
went through this exact exercise
for a podcast host, hosting

512
00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:36,330
company that contacted me a few
months ago, and said, hey, here,

513
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,580
here's what we're looking to do.
We want to use the index to do

514
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:43,170
some searches. But we really
need the search results, to

515
00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:49,620
return this particular type of
result set. And I went back and

516
00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:54,600
forth with them through two or
three iterations to get it close

517
00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:01,110
to what they wanted. And the
question was being asked, well,

518
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:06,960
we're searching for this thing.
And here's an exact hit of of

519
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,640
the title. That's the one that
we want. But it's it's like,

520
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:17,580
pushed down so far that is paid
off. And, and the use case here

521
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:23,520
was for people searching for
their podcast. So like, it could

522
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,160
be anybody. It could be people
coming from anchor, it could be,

523
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,050
you know, anybody anywhere. And
so you're quick, the question

524
00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:34,650
is, as you get sort of down the
popularity chain, where the

525
00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:39,840
differences are not so huge. It
makes, it doesn't make a lot of

526
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,190
sense for you to judge
popularity. Now. It's just about

527
00:34:44,190 --> 00:34:48,270
exact title hits. But where's
that line? I mean, at what

528
00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:51,510
popularity, what even is
popularity level when you're

529
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:55,080
talking about algorithmic
decision making, like this.

530
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,590
There's there's also a couple
where there it's a little bit of

531
00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:01,140
apples to oranges and the reason
Why I'm saying that is because

532
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:05,730
when someone's searching for a
podcast or a person, it's a

533
00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:10,410
little different than a
recommendation. Now, I presume

534
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:14,790
that the reason why the German
result came first is because

535
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:16,410
Deutschland Uber, Alice.

536
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,300
Well, that's exactly that's. I
mean, obviously.

537
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,330
So what So clearly, and so I've
searched to me searches a hole.

538
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:30,240
It's of course it's it's algos,
but it's a whole different deal

539
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,570
and search as you just as you
just explained, he's really

540
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:36,720
hard. How do you satisfy what
everybody wants?

541
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,850
Now, I'm looking at this now,
sir, if you search for pod news,

542
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:47,040
the exact title of the first one
that comes back is pod news.

543
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,590
James is James's podcast is
called pod news, podcasting

544
00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:53,190
news.

545
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000
That's the right show. Right.

546
00:35:57,210 --> 00:36:00,690
And that's why it flipped to the
top because when Steven

547
00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:04,170
submitted the pull request, what
he did is he changed the website

548
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:08,280
behavior so that it's doing two
searches. It's doing one search

549
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,850
for exact title hits, and
another one using the normal

550
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,630
popularity ranking that we get
from the API.

551
00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:22,230
Okay, so basically, it was it
was bad SEO. That is to do pod

552
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:23,790
news, podcasting news.

553
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Yeah, that's good. SEO for
Google. Right? Yo, for us.

554
00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:33,150
Right. Right. Now, we clearly
did not with the partner. Is

555
00:36:33,150 --> 00:36:35,400
that is that a rip off feed that
German feed?

556
00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:39,660
is? I think that I really don't
know if

557
00:36:39,690 --> 00:36:44,220
it's a feed from 2009 is dead.
Oh, really? Yeah. It's a dead

558
00:36:44,220 --> 00:36:48,330
feed. Well, I should say that.
And then what can you also kill

559
00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:53,970
the no agenda fee that has been
hijacked on the substack? Whoa,

560
00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:57,540
is for real? Yeah. Someone is
somebody in the index? Yep. So

561
00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:02,580
when is mirroring the no agenda?
Its current on a sub stack.

562
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:06,150
Which means it could be making
money off of it, too, I guess.

563
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:11,310
Yeah, they possibly. Yeah.
Because that's a that's that's

564
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:11,760
fraud.

565
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:20,430
So for sure. This is a
complicated question. And is, is

566
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:21,150
there an answer?

567
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:26,400
Well, the answer the here's the
classical answer. When I say

568
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,910
classical, I mean, I mean, like
the answer that has developed

569
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:34,620
over the last 10 years. The
answer is, you begin to tweak

570
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,420
things manually, you begin to
boost, you see that, that you

571
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:47,520
see that the algorithm has, has
given you a result? That is not

572
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:54,570
desirable? And doesn't make
sense to most people? Okay, you

573
00:37:54,570 --> 00:38:00,510
say, Well, yeah, yes. Okay,
here's five searches. Four out

574
00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:05,430
of those five times, the exact
title hit is giving us is giving

575
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:10,290
us what we want, right? The
fifth time. It's just not

576
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:15,750
working. And there's really no
way to do it. So I can't change

577
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:18,090
the algorithm, because that's
going to fix up the s gonna

578
00:38:18,090 --> 00:38:22,890
screw up the 80% of the time is
correct. And it's just to get

579
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:27,390
the 20% of the time to be right.
So you go in there, and you

580
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:31,860
fudge it, and you manually start
tweaking things, to boost

581
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:36,210
certain to boost certain things
over other things when certain

582
00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:41,160
searches happen. And now you've
got manual curation, and now you

583
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:45,390
are actually making humans are
making decisions. So here's,

584
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:50,370
here's the problem I have with
what's being asked. And by the

585
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,090
way, they're putting all of this
onto the, the apps. And I know

586
00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:58,770
that they really mean apple and
Spotify. They they say apps, I

587
00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:03,870
don't think they mean overcast,
the curio cast or pod friend

588
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:09,660
podcast. I don't think they mean
any of that. By why is it that

589
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:18,090
podcast apps would be forced to
do all this work. And remove

590
00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:21,360
stuff, tell people why they
removed it, but actually remove

591
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,270
it. And search engines can just
while we're down ranking, they

592
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:31,230
get a pass. They don't they're
not forced to by any legislation

593
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:32,700
to remove content.

594
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:36,720
And the exact ad the exact data
and I can answer that question,

595
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:47,130
okay. The answer to that is in a
article from September 7 2001

596
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:53,190
and The New York Times, okay.
The title of this article is US

597
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:57,960
versus Microsoft. The lobbying.
A huge four year crusade gets

598
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:05,190
credit for a coup. From said
article, it says from a cold

599
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:09,240
start just four years ago,
Microsoft assembled a formidable

600
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,110
lobbying apparatus that worked
to touch anyone who could have

601
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,410
any influence over the antitrust
case to case against it.

602
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Particularly during last year's
election campaign. Republican

603
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,940
candidates including George
Bush, Microsoft and its

604
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:28,140
employees donated $4.6 million
last year to federal political

605
00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:31,770
candidates or parties, more than
two thirds of it to Republicans,

606
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,370
according to an analysis by the
Center for Responsive Politics,

607
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,480
and the company paid at least 6
million more to lobbyists who

608
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,880
are charged with persuading
politicians to accept

609
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,070
Microsoft's point of view. Going
a little bit deeper, it says

610
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:50,760
when the Clinton
administration's Justice

611
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,760
Department filed his first suit
against Microsoft in the fall of

612
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,710
97, the company had a one man
lobbying shop here and we're

613
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:02,370
here in DC, with an office above
a suburban Washington shopping

614
00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,340
mall. The company's political
donations of all types to

615
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,640
federal candidates that year
totaled less than $100,000.

616
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,760
Microsoft, then, company
executives said at the time

617
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,690
considered Washington, a distant
and largely irrelevant.on, the

618
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:18,870
map far removed both physically
and spiritually from his

619
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:25,170
headquarters outside of Seattle.
So yeah, they this is why people

620
00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:30,660
like this is why companies like
Google will never have anybody

621
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:37,440
in Washington. Seriously, they
may they may lip service, do a,

622
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:42,000
me know do some sort of zoom
call with them or whatever, just

623
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,850
to get some political points,
but they'll never seriously

624
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,650
tinker with them or force them
to do anything. No, because

625
00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:55,530
billions and billions of dollars
of campaign contributions are at

626
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:59,550
stake. That's that's your
answer. Bet and podcast index.

627
00:41:59,730 --> 00:42:04,470
Sure. Somebody may come you
know, try to embarrass us for

628
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:08,640
our decisions or Spotify. Maybe
because who knows? They probably

629
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,320
don't do much lobbying. But as
soon as the spigots open, and

630
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,800
the lobby money flows, Oh,
that's right. This is all these

631
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,400
things disappear. And remember,
Brookings Institute, Brookings

632
00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:26,820
is a lot is a think tank in
Washington. Yeah, all these

633
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:30,480
think tanks are headquartered in
DC. They all play by they all go

634
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,400
to a lobbyist lunches, and
things like it's all the so

635
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,450
believe me. This is all
political. This whole article

636
00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:43,950
was political. There's this some
reasonable ideas in here, you

637
00:42:43,950 --> 00:42:48,180
know, the transparency is fine.
It makes total sense. But under

638
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:50,640
the recommended algorithms is
only four we only have one more

639
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,230
to go. As we documented last
year, more than 50% of popular

640
00:42:55,230 --> 00:42:58,200
political podcast episodes
between the November election

641
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,800
and the January sixth assault on
the US Capitol contained

642
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:06,420
electoral misinformation. And
and I didn't clip it, but I

643
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:11,820
heard that I was in the car. And
I heard pieces from President

644
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:15,930
Obama's speech at Stanford
today. And lo and behold, if he

645
00:43:15,930 --> 00:43:20,850
didn't say, Steve Bannon has a
problem and content like Steve

646
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:25,350
Bannon does have to has to be
dealt with. I'm paraphrasing.

647
00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:29,880
And if you look at the previous
article, like you said, January

648
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,580
4 value workshop offer. She says
in links to it here, just as we

649
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:38,220
documented earlier this year,
and there it is, on the morning

650
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:41,430
of January 6 2021, Steve Bannon
encouraged the audience of his

651
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:45,690
podcast, not to waver their
faith. So this is a coordinated

652
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:51,810
attack. On all forms of media,
they these people, and these

653
00:43:51,810 --> 00:43:56,310
people specifically, just don't
like the fact that anyone says

654
00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:58,560
something that's not in line
with what they say. And they

655
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,320
have a platform they don't like
it. And here's

656
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,030
the from from this New York
Times article again. The

657
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:09,930
lobbyist, remember, this is from
Microsoft. The lobbyists spread

658
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:13,140
position papers around
Washington and wrote op ed page

659
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:17,280
pieces, among many other tactics
that grew so numerous and

660
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,510
prolific, that they sometimes
wound up quoting each other. In

661
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:26,100
1998. While the suit was in
trial, Mr. Barber wrote an

662
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,010
opinion article for the
chronicle of for the chronicle

663
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:31,950
of Augusta, Georgia, making the
argument that the American

664
00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:35,490
people oppose the government
suit to support that he cited a

665
00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:38,910
national survey published by two
other Microsoft finance groups,

666
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:41,880
Citizens Against Government
Waste in the technology access

667
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:44,760
Action Coalition. There's
there's your think tanks and

668
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,330
there's that's how they
effectively lobby on behalf of

669
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:49,020
corporate interest

670
00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:55,140
also. So this is a a lobbying
piece. And the final piece is

671
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:58,620
funding and this is where it
gets really funny. At present

672
00:44:58,620 --> 00:45:01,380
advertising represents the
primary source of revenue for

673
00:45:01,380 --> 00:45:06,000
the podcasting ecosystem. While
Apple requires advertising to be

674
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,700
in compliance with the law and
Spotify requires content

675
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:11,160
providers to comply with
applicable laws and regulations,

676
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,250
including sanctions and export
regulations, there are few

677
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,000
obvious guidelines in place for
financial disclosures in

678
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,930
podcasting, beyond those
dictated between sponsor and

679
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:25,770
series. So, you know, this is a
problem, where's the money

680
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:30,270
coming from? Furthermore, it is
unclear how apps might determine

681
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,300
if and where to report when a
podcast is, in fact, in

682
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:38,700
violation of applicable laws. As
a result, anyone could in

683
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,690
theory, provide financial
support for a podcast, including

684
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:48,900
foreign governments or obscure
funders link, the link, the link

685
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:53,550
goes to Steve Bannon was de
platformed. And obscure media

686
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:56,550
mogul keeps him on the air so
that you see what this is all

687
00:45:56,550 --> 00:46:00,210
about. As with radio reporting,
guidelines, regulators could

688
00:46:00,210 --> 00:46:02,940
help bring transparency to this
opaque business model by

689
00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:06,300
delineating clear public
financial reporting processes

690
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:14,220
for podcast series. So
interesting, because if they

691
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:19,680
start to write regular
legislation or regulations about

692
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:24,840
who's funding a podcast, I I'd
like to have some transparency

693
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:30,060
for all media, then. Let's make
sure everybody knows exactly how

694
00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:33,000
much Pfizer is spending on cable
news.

695
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:37,200
Yeah, I want a spreadsheet
showing it every donation to Fox

696
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,270
News, and MSNBC and all of
these, these outfits I want, I

697
00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:46,410
want a spreadsheet that shows
the top the top donors donors,

698
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:49,770
average out the top advertisers
and how much they spend every

699
00:46:49,770 --> 00:46:52,890
quarter. That's what I want.
That's if we're gonna do it.

700
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:54,480
Let's just do it from top to
bottom. No, but

701
00:46:55,380 --> 00:47:00,570
the thing is, none of this is is
hard to figure out. But they

702
00:47:00,570 --> 00:47:04,890
want it to be different for
Steve Bannon, I guess. Yeah. I

703
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:09,630
think that's a good very good
that you. That you that you

704
00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:13,530
pulled up that New York Times
article, cuz that says it all

705
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,680
I'll finish the immature content
and moderation Ruse and blah,

706
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,610
blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway,
with Spotify, YouTube, and now

707
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:23,940
substack, stealing content
entering the podcasting market

708
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,030
in ways that up in the West,
open architecture, the medium,

709
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:30,120
the space now encompasses both
more traditional media business

710
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,390
models, as well as newer, more
decentralized ones value for

711
00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:37,440
value anybody. Lightning Network
as a result of flexible, broadly

712
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,810
applicable approach to
monitoring content and

713
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:42,150
regulating podcast platforms
will become increasingly

714
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:45,630
critical. It's only if you're in
the business of winning or

715
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:49,380
losing elections, I guess that
it becomes critical. So but I

716
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:54,120
think this is one of the one of
the two or three reasons that we

717
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:59,910
will not see Facebook doing
anything of any and I think I

718
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:03,180
said this from day one, this is
Lucy and the football, how many

719
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:07,320
times you're gonna see this.
Same with YouTube. What else is

720
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,030
on the horizon? What other I
mean, look,

721
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:14,190
even for Facebook, Amazon, I

722
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:17,760
know. I know what happened with
Facebook, Facebook saw

723
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:22,200
clubhouse, and they went, Yeah,
we got to do that. And everyone,

724
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:24,330
you know, it takes a while to
ramp this stuff off. And we'll

725
00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:27,540
do it with podcasting. Though.
Cubans doing it. I was getting

726
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:31,290
to the guy, and ones rockin and
rollin. And then and then all

727
00:48:31,290 --> 00:48:34,260
sudden the news is well,
clubhouse is broken as dead, no

728
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:37,500
one uses it as falling apart, do
no more downloads, whatever the

729
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,470
metric is. And that's when
everyone pulls the plug, because

730
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:47,760
what they know is you just can't
make a lot of money, Google

731
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,080
level money. With podcast
advertising. There's not enough.

732
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,810
There's not enough a level brand
sponsors that will take that

733
00:48:57,810 --> 00:48:58,470
leap.

734
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,630
No, there's just there's just
not that you can't. Yeah, the

735
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:09,360
only way to the only way to make
any money in, in podcast

736
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,570
advertising is to sell is to
sell the ad so broadly, but you

737
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:19,290
can't do it. You you do it on
volume. But you can't do that.

738
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:20,280
Because it's not

739
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,670
brands say no, it doesn't work.
And here's here's the here's the

740
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:27,930
clue. From what I understand
Facebook and this, this is what

741
00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:32,940
every single Podcast Network
does. And I know this because I

742
00:49:32,940 --> 00:49:35,610
went through this cycle. This is
why I keep telling people you

743
00:49:35,610 --> 00:49:40,050
can't monetize the network. The
minute you see a podcast network

744
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:44,550
or platform, announced the
following. Well, we're going to

745
00:49:44,550 --> 00:49:47,850
do branded podcasts. So we're
going to do a podcast from

746
00:49:47,850 --> 00:49:51,750
McDonald's. We're gonna produce
a podcast for Citibank. That

747
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:55,710
means it failed. They couldn't
make money on advertising. So

748
00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:59,220
instead and the advertisers they
want, they want a cool podcast

749
00:49:59,220 --> 00:50:02,160
but they want total control. So
make it our podcast, and we'll

750
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,700
pay you for it. And I believe I
think is Facebook is going to

751
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:11,880
charge a million bucks. For a I
see Face Book, branded pocket.

752
00:50:11,940 --> 00:50:14,550
That is the death of the
industry. That's that's the main

753
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:22,740
reason that I said, no, no. Here
branded podcasts. So no, I have

754
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:26,100
have to leave pod show have to
leave me Bo because now we're

755
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,340
just making podcasts for the
advertisers instead of having

756
00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:34,860
the advertisers advertise on the
shows. Yeah. Branded podcast

757
00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:37,380
works with brands, creating
digital content is part of an

758
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:39,750
integrated marketing or
elearning strategy.

759
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:46,740
Well, I had somebody privately
tell me, probably houses

760
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:53,040
probably maybe nine months ago
that that they were doing

761
00:50:53,070 --> 00:50:58,200
getting out of just doing
podcast shows like starting new

762
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,030
shows and starting to do more.
Exactly, exactly this brand

763
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,450
branded, specific corporate
podcast.

764
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
I think gimlet wasn't gimlet
also doing this.

765
00:51:09,810 --> 00:51:13,860
I don't know. And well, the
reason they told me was that is

766
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:17,910
just money. They're like, I can
just make more money. If the if

767
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:21,090
the corporation just pays me
directly and I just do what they

768
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:26,190
tell me to Yeah, like, it's just
a whole I can, I can do. I can

769
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:29,400
make as much money from one of
those shows as I can from four

770
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,450
of the other ones, but

771
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,580
even more, even more. Yeah.

772
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,990
And that's guaranteed brand
safe.

773
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:41,670
Here Game Live, which was
purchased by my Spotify. gimlet

774
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:44,160
has two core advertising
products, traditional

775
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,200
advertisements, and branded
content. They all have to hear

776
00:51:49,350 --> 00:51:52,800
branded content is anything else
we make for a brand or company?

777
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,670
If for example, Acme Inc, asks
us to make a weekly podcast for

778
00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:59,580
them in which we interview Acme
Inc, scientists and over which

779
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:03,000
they have final creative
control. That's branded content.

780
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,770
It sure is.

781
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:09,810
And that's that end because
they've seen it. You it's been

782
00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:18,240
the same for for me for 15
years, 17 years. It always winds

783
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:23,070
up with that. Either. You're
making really cheap, really low,

784
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:26,910
low grade production content,
just to have high volume and you

785
00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:32,790
got a lot of square space and
Casper mattresses and what is

786
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:39,990
the manscape manscaping funny we
got it we John and I both got a

787
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:43,620
manscaping pitch. Hey, we think
manscaped will be a great great

788
00:52:43,620 --> 00:52:48,300
product for the no agenda show
this really. Man says heavier. I

789
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:51,450
John got into it with the guy
like I checked out like, I can't

790
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:55,740
believe he answered it. But
that's it. It's not going to

791
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:59,190
work. There's no money, not
enough money. And let's put it

792
00:52:59,190 --> 00:53:03,510
that way. Now. Is there a
business for you to have

793
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:06,960
individual sponsors and it may
be relevant like a lot of

794
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,680
Bitcoin podcast. I think there's
there's some relevance there. I

795
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,790
love some of the advertising on
Bitcoin. I got a what is it?

796
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:22,440
Accuracy? Oculus. It's a
hardware. It's a hardware wallet

797
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,170
and an act like a treasure town
looking like a treasure type?

798
00:53:25,229 --> 00:53:29,669
Yeah, yeah. But it but it's a
it's actually a like a metal

799
00:53:29,699 --> 00:53:33,479
credit card size card. And it
has Yeah, I think I've seen

800
00:53:33,479 --> 00:53:36,449
that. And you hold it against
the back of the phone. That

801
00:53:36,449 --> 00:53:40,199
that's your private key. Oh,
yeah. So it's kind of cool.

802
00:53:40,229 --> 00:53:44,069
Yeah. So you have the app on the
phone. And you can do it two

803
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:46,289
ways. You can set it up. You can
it's three factor

804
00:53:46,289 --> 00:53:50,669
authentication. So in one mode,
you fire up the app, you have to

805
00:53:50,669 --> 00:53:54,029
use your biometrics, which I
find useless because if

806
00:53:54,029 --> 00:53:57,869
someone's got me, they can they
can get through that one easy,

807
00:53:58,469 --> 00:54:02,489
then it then you can do
everything you want receive. But

808
00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:07,109
if you want to send, then you
have to do two things, you have

809
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:11,249
to enter the passcode. And you
have to hold the near field

810
00:54:11,249 --> 00:54:14,159
communication. You have to hold
the card with a private key on

811
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:18,989
it. The way I like it is the app
is it the minute it opens up, it

812
00:54:18,989 --> 00:54:21,419
says you got to have this card,
otherwise I'm not going any

813
00:54:21,419 --> 00:54:25,409
further. And the other two
factors is when you send

814
00:54:25,409 --> 00:54:31,649
something What's it called? I
thought it was our cute little

815
00:54:31,649 --> 00:54:33,239
rise. I have one here actually
hold on.

816
00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:37,380
Oh, you actually physically have
one? Yeah. Oh, actually,

817
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,330
it's funny because I bought one
for myself and one for Tina,

818
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:47,490
Oculus AR c u l u s t i had the,
of course, this is what

819
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:50,310
everybody does is like hey, man,
I gotta get a hardware wallet

820
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:55,290
because you know, my valuable
Bitcoins. And so I got the, you

821
00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:58,200
know, the trays or whatever that
is I got one of those. And the

822
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,180
other day I'm like, I got to
consolidate. I've got to Many

823
00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:02,970
wallets, everyone want to put it
all into one or most of it all

824
00:55:02,970 --> 00:55:06,570
into one wallet as a separate
emergency wallet that I know the

825
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,290
passcode the 12 words out from
memory, but I don't want

826
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,990
everything there. So now I'm
gonna start collecting stuff. So

827
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:20,070
and this is this pissed me off
to no end. So I get my tracer

828
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:24,390
and I you know I set it I plug
it in, I fire up the software on

829
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:27,030
the on the computer, and
everything's out of date because

830
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:30,960
I haven't used this thing for
you know, for two years maybe.

831
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:35,070
So, so the firmware is out of
date, the software is telling me

832
00:55:35,070 --> 00:55:38,400
to upgrade. And you know, it's
like having trouble connected to

833
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,700
your to your device and like,
Oh, my goodness, I have to

834
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,810
troubleshoot the whole point is
all it does is just giving me a

835
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:48,690
key, right? It just, yeah, it's
given me the key to do

836
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:54,270
something. But ah, so I decide
to do the best thing, the

837
00:55:54,270 --> 00:56:00,990
fastest thing is to go go
retrieve the seed words, and I

838
00:56:00,990 --> 00:56:05,940
just recreated that wallet in
blue, then sent it all over to

839
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,730
the final destination and
through that trays are out.

840
00:56:10,170 --> 00:56:13,860
Yeah, that this just just do a
cold card if you want to do

841
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,890
that. I mean, you don't have to
you don't the more technology

842
00:56:16,890 --> 00:56:20,370
you get on the other side of
that the more fraud it is, I

843
00:56:20,370 --> 00:56:23,910
mean, that's the real so I don't
believe in I mean, if you need

844
00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:27,240
money, Bitcoin, lightning,
whatever, you know, just put a

845
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,720
little bit I got I use breeze
typically, and I got, you know,

846
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:35,160
500 bucks on that. And, you
know, for if I need to pay for

847
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,770
something and if I need to
refill a wall, it's just handy

848
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:40,650
to have it in one night. My
whole fortune is not going to be

849
00:56:40,650 --> 00:56:47,910
on that. So so I don't need to
use you know, a hardware key for

850
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:50,310
daily transactions. That's
something you basically want to

851
00:56:50,310 --> 00:56:53,310
have at home or in the safe or,
you know, something that you can

852
00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:58,710
then go retrieve and use it but
when you retrieve it and want to

853
00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:05,940
use it. And everything's out of
date.

854
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,500
Yeah, yeah, that's that's the
world if everything has

855
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:13,920
firmware. Your life's gonna be
crap. Yeah.

856
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:20,280
Oculus by the way is kick ass
it. I do like that. Like that

857
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:20,730
idea.

858
00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:23,250
People don't understand. But
what people don't know is that

859
00:57:23,250 --> 00:57:27,330
this is this the last 10 minutes
conversation have been of native

860
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:28,290
ad for archivists.

861
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:31,530
Hey, let's do something
different.

862
00:57:32,910 --> 00:57:39,960
And now it's time for some hot
podcasting standards talk. The

863
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,680
same ring

864
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,420
on it. Let's play it again.

865
00:57:46,890 --> 00:57:52,380
And now it's time for some hot
podcasting standards talk.

866
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:54,630
doesn't quite have the same
ring.

867
00:57:58,950 --> 00:58:01,710
This is a fresh name. Jennifer.
That's

868
00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:04,470
right, baby. We're not We're not
messing her. I think she did a

869
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:06,540
standard one without it without
that tagline.

870
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:13,620
Okay. So the, you know,
Castillo's, you and our friends.

871
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:18,840
Yes. Yes. Yes. Matt And Greg.
They are now shipping pod pink

872
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,230
support in their seriously
simple podcasting plugin. False.

873
00:58:22,259 --> 00:58:25,019
Yeah. Beautiful. And are we
seeing pings?

874
00:58:25,859 --> 00:58:32,279
I have not looked yet. But
mostly because I don't know how

875
00:58:32,279 --> 00:58:33,749
to identify them yet.

876
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,710
So by URL, basically. Well,
busy. It's

877
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:39,660
not that these are all self
hosted.

878
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:44,040
Right? Well, yeah. Well, how
many self hosted URLs? Will we

879
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,250
see? Not many, I don't think
Well, in general, I don't know

880
00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:49,560
how many people are pod pinging
and self hosting.

881
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:54,030
You know, that's, that's a good
point. That's a good point. So

882
00:58:54,030 --> 00:59:00,480
we need to start looking for et
Cie, I'll just look up throw it

883
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,610
up here and I'll occupant on it.
But they they did this in there.

884
00:59:05,730 --> 00:59:09,690
This is like a you know, you can
upgrade your WordPress plugin.

885
00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:12,720
So then it's going to take a
while for this to sort of like,

886
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:17,070
filter out as people upgrade to
the new version that has this in

887
00:59:17,070 --> 00:59:20,520
it. And I don't I mean, I don't
know how many installs they

888
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,210
have. I started watching the
other day trying to spot some

889
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:26,970
and I guess just it was just too
new. It only been released like

890
00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:32,340
six hours before so nobody had
upgraded yet. But I started

891
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:39,990
trying to figure out how many
installs this was. And I want to

892
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:44,700
say that. I want to say that
Matt had told me once before or

893
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:47,880
told us I think he said on the
show that it was something like

894
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,790
20,000 But I don't maybe I can
be completely made that I can

895
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:57,840
make the number of the seats in
the past they didn't have a way

896
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,010
like power press plus the fee.
generator tagging the RSS feed,

897
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,280
so that you can identify Okay,
here's a power press install

898
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,490
because their power press and N
seriously symbol are the same

899
01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:13,260
type of deal. They're both
WordPress plugins. And, but the

900
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:17,400
seriously simple did not put a
generator tag in. So I couldn't

901
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,450
always identify. So if it's a
self hosted URL, then you don't

902
01:00:21,450 --> 01:00:26,460
know who it is. Or what you
don't know how to credit it.

903
01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:30,150
Usually it should be credited,
really as Castillo's. But

904
01:00:30,510 --> 01:00:34,230
there's no way to divert to
identify. But there, but this is

905
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:37,290
great. I mean, this is awesome.
They're using the hybrid key,

906
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:42,030
that half and half key that we
talked about. And they're using

907
01:00:42,030 --> 01:00:44,820
that and they're the first.
They're the first one to push

908
01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:50,580
out. Pod ping to self hosted
podcasters. Way to go. Yeah,

909
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:54,930
yes, kids killer, and they're
using pod ping dot cloud, which

910
01:00:54,930 --> 01:00:56,250
is the right way to do it. So

911
01:00:56,250 --> 01:00:59,610
the pod press plugin should be
able to do this too. I guess

912
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:00,630
anyone should be able to do it.

913
01:01:00,689 --> 01:01:07,139
Yeah. Yeah. And when I gave Todd
and Mike, the keys and

914
01:01:07,139 --> 01:01:09,599
everything for them. Yeah, I
think they're I think they're

915
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:09,989
working on

916
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:12,150
it. Yeah. Now that now that they
can stop the Facebook

917
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:13,230
integration work.

918
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:17,040
Yeah. Not on the priority list.
And that's a

919
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,000
friendly rub. That's a friendly
rub. Oh, and I forgot to mention

920
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,340
as part of the previous topic,
the Obamas exclusive deal was

921
01:01:26,340 --> 01:01:28,770
ending. And I think we've
discussed that many times what

922
01:01:28,770 --> 01:01:31,920
the problems were were that.
Yeah, although it's fun to see

923
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,650
the Obama say, Yeah, we're not
thinking of renewing with

924
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:38,640
Spotify, we're looking for
another partner. And Zero Hedge.

925
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:44,640
Definitely more conservative.
Their headline was Spotify drops

926
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,540
the Obamas.

927
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,870
I think that is probably closer
to the truth.

928
01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:56,250
I think so. I think so too.
Because, again, didn't pan out

929
01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:57,450
the way they wanted it.

930
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,780
And I'll tell you exactly why it
pan it didn't pan out. It has

931
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:05,790
nothing to do with with their
with them politically. It was

932
01:02:05,790 --> 01:02:06,870
boring.

933
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:10,920
Thank you. This show was so
boring. That's the one thing

934
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,950
that everyone forgets to talk
about. It was yes. And the Bruce

935
01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:17,760
Springsteen thing that Brock did
was like, No,

936
01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:22,560
I sat through an hour and a half
of that of that crap, just to

937
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,830
get some funny clips. And I
remember that, and I remember

938
01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:27,240
that again, ever again.

939
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,270
I still have one of those clips

940
01:02:30,450 --> 01:02:35,970
that I got a baller at a baller
clip from, from the shale. And I

941
01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:37,410
think got a couple of clips from
the show.

942
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:40,440
here's the here's one from Obama
Springsteen

943
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:46,680
and not knock on some doors with
me and make some phone calls

944
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,420
with me if you chose this.

945
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:55,290
No, no, it's not your clip.
You're right. What is that?

946
01:02:55,290 --> 01:02:58,800
That's not Obama springs. Obama
Springsteen.

947
01:02:59,190 --> 01:03:01,380
He was fired up, though. Yeah,
well, that

948
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:02,520
was a while ago, I guess.

949
01:03:02,879 --> 01:03:05,909
Maybe Springsteen opened for
Obama on this campaign.

950
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,530
We have. This may be your clip.

951
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:13,650
This episode of The Michelle
Obama podcast is brought to you

952
01:03:13,650 --> 01:03:14,670
by Salesforce.

953
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,140
No, no, that's not it.

954
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,080
Well, that that could have been
my clip, because I could have

955
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,290
been saying that this isn't
gonna last very long.

956
01:03:22,379 --> 01:03:25,649
Right. Well, you know, from what
I understood, they couldn't fill

957
01:03:25,649 --> 01:03:28,139
the the inventory. And that's
why after three months, they

958
01:03:28,139 --> 01:03:30,749
opened it up. And every podcast
I've had, it was no longer

959
01:03:30,749 --> 01:03:31,499
exclusive.

960
01:03:31,919 --> 01:03:36,989
Yeah. And Spotify told Spotify
told the press that Oh, no, that

961
01:03:36,989 --> 01:03:39,389
was just that was just
windowing, that was advertiser

962
01:03:39,389 --> 01:03:42,719
windowing. See? Yeah, we were
going to keep it exclusive for a

963
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,899
little while and then open it
up, which, you know, and that's

964
01:03:45,899 --> 01:03:48,989
fine that they said that, except
now that we now we know, the

965
01:03:48,989 --> 01:03:52,679
Spotify laws about all this
stuff they do. So it's not real.

966
01:03:53,069 --> 01:03:53,399
Yeah,

967
01:03:53,730 --> 01:03:58,140
it's, but just bottom line. I
just need to say it. It's

968
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,790
individually on a smaller scale.
Yeah, you can of course get

969
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:07,530
sponsors. You know, we do not
really have a great what do they

970
01:04:07,530 --> 01:04:12,630
call it programmatic ad
insertion industry for

971
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:16,800
podcasting. And by the nature of
the content that cannot be

972
01:04:17,070 --> 01:04:23,790
whatever happened to the ad
advertising jacked amongst us

973
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:27,960
who wanted transcripts so then
machines who go in and make sure

974
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,650
there was relevant advertising,
it's all to me. This is all just

975
01:04:31,650 --> 01:04:35,310
dreams. No one's doing this
work. No one's no one's planning

976
01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:39,720
on it. Yeah, I don't see anybody
waiting around for the ship

977
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:40,320
people.

978
01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:46,590
On the well, yeah, here's
something on a similar, a

979
01:04:46,590 --> 01:04:51,780
similar vein but slightly
different. Did you read the blue

980
01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:57,480
sky? The latest thing like blog
update post thing from the blue

981
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,620
sky theme.

982
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,220
If you talking to one from a
couple of weeks ago or like two

983
01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:04,380
weeks ago. Yes. If there's
something newer than

984
01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:07,920
three weeks ago, yeah, yeah, Dan
and as like this is from like,

985
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:10,170
two or three weeks ago where
they're talking about their,

986
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,730
their latest, you know, update
and what they're working on. And

987
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,750
basically, just bring all of
your activity pub and everything

988
01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:21,810
else that might work, and we'll
jam it all in there. That's how

989
01:05:21,810 --> 01:05:22,320
I wrote it.

990
01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:27,150
Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if I can
find they, I think they give it

991
01:05:27,150 --> 01:05:30,300
a weird website. I'm not sure if
I can actually find it. But

992
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:34,860
yeah, the Bluse. So, you know,
blue sky was split, like a split

993
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,650
off of Twitter. I don't think
they're not part of Twitter or

994
01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:40,500
they. I think they're a separate
company.

995
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:44,220
I'm not sure. Okay.

996
01:05:44,610 --> 01:05:48,420
I think they are. And their
whole thing was, was when this

997
01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:52,740
was a brainchild of Jack Dorsey,
when he was at Twitter in order

998
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:59,310
to federate, Twitter, like, turn
it into a federated system.

999
01:05:59,340 --> 01:06:01,260
Right, sort of like Mastodon,

1000
01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:06,510
right. Actually, they are in
they are independent from

1001
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000
Twitter's development, but they
are completely funded by

1002
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:09,450
Twitter.

1003
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,030
Okay, all right. Well,

1004
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:17,070
I'm sorry, a public benefit LLC.
Okay, I guess they are really a

1005
01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:17,940
separate company.

1006
01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:20,970
But their main donor is to it.
Yeah. Yeah.

1007
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,590
That's where the resources came
from.

1008
01:06:23,549 --> 01:06:26,429
Okay. And I mean, who knows how
long they'll they'll last, you

1009
01:06:26,429 --> 01:06:29,789
know, John's Birla called them
vaporware. And that's probably

1010
01:06:30,689 --> 01:06:34,439
that's probably closer to
reality than anything else. But

1011
01:06:35,729 --> 01:06:41,699
you know, blue the, the blog,
kind of, it's called the title

1012
01:06:41,699 --> 01:06:44,909
of the blog post is called a
self authenticating social

1013
01:06:44,909 --> 01:06:47,069
protocol is from April 6,

1014
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,170
right? That's sort of what Yeah.

1015
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,590
I think this is worth talking
about. Because here's my issue

1016
01:06:55,590 --> 01:06:59,880
with it, they make it kind of
clear in this, in this post that

1017
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,220
they will not be doing activity
Pope. They say that activity pub

1018
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:12,120
in there is not doesn't fit
their model in me so that

1019
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,990
they're going to, I guess, try
to roll something new. Which is

1020
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,300
fine. I mean, you know, if you
want to roll something if it's

1021
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:21,750
better and activitypub everybody
Oh, no, he's the new thing. But

1022
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:30,210
the part that that bothered me
was this self authenticating

1023
01:07:30,210 --> 01:07:38,790
data and identity taught in
this? This is a this is a thing

1024
01:07:38,790 --> 01:07:44,070
where it's where does the line
get crossed? So that it, you

1025
01:07:44,070 --> 01:07:49,320
know, honey, let me come at it a
different way. So there's a

1026
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,850
difference between verifying who
you are authenticating who you

1027
01:07:53,850 --> 01:08:01,080
are, and identifying who you
are. Right? And this feels the

1028
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,880
way they're talking in this
article. Feels a little bit too

1029
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,500
much like the second one.

1030
01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:10,440
Identifying who you are.

1031
01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:15,210
Yeah, I want to be they talk a
whole lot about identity and how

1032
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:21,060
you you can own your identity.
And then you can take that from

1033
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:24,270
from social media to social
media say okay, I'm the same

1034
01:08:24,270 --> 01:08:25,020
person here is

1035
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,640
this this is this is the next
frontier. I think you're seeing

1036
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:36,990
this with the a lot of the oh,
what's it called? There's what's

1037
01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:42,060
the initiative? The think ID?
Yeah, it's the what did you call

1038
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:42,210
it?

1039
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,029
The D ID and distributed?

1040
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:50,970
No, I'm talking about pure
governmental projects where they

1041
01:08:51,180 --> 01:08:54,450
they want everyone to have a
wallet on your phone and in the

1042
01:08:54,630 --> 01:09:00,270
in the order that they call it?
Maybe cash? No, no you have in

1043
01:09:00,270 --> 01:09:03,510
there as you have your passport,
your driver's license your plane

1044
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:06,810
tickets, a little bit like what
Apple already has, but they want

1045
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:10,890
this to all be on one platform.
And of course you will use that

1046
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:13,800
identity to interact with the
government you will use that

1047
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,840
identity pay your taxes you like
to use identity to borrow you

1048
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,280
know to watch Netflix, this is
what they want. They want they I

1049
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,690
say they because I feel it's a
globalist, they want to be able

1050
01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:31,620
to to identify everybody This
has always been part of the

1051
01:09:31,650 --> 01:09:35,040
mission. You know, why? Why do
we have to scan QR codes

1052
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,300
everywhere. You know, even if
you just want to get a test. You

1053
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:40,740
have to scan the QR code.

1054
01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:45,930
And it's it's real easy to go to
cross that line between from

1055
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:49,380
especially when you're talking
about it would be social media

1056
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:52,110
that would be the thing that
would want this first Yes. Once

1057
01:09:52,110 --> 01:09:55,380
you think about it because it
and you can describe it in this

1058
01:09:55,380 --> 01:09:58,320
way. This would this is what
gets all the tech people fired

1059
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,320
up and you know Hall cotton
bother where they want to listen

1060
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:05,280
to that jingle from Dame
Jennifer, they get all fired up

1061
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,150
about all the tech nerds always
done this, and I've been guilty

1062
01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:13,470
of it too. We just want the one
thing. You know, we don't, why

1063
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:17,790
should we have to have you know,
five different services of this

1064
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:21,240
and this and this, I mean, it
should just be one thing, we

1065
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:26,820
should just have no, just Roku,
or just for streaming or one

1066
01:10:26,820 --> 01:10:30,450
box, the streams everything or,
or one thing, the app that does

1067
01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:33,000
all these other things. But you
know, instead of five different

1068
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,860
standards, and this will be
number one, I mean that that

1069
01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:41,820
won't happen ever happen for
other reasons. But if it did,

1070
01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:46,950
you would find out that it the
the end product is way worse.

1071
01:10:48,180 --> 01:10:53,430
Because then you you, you're
there's too much. You're talking

1072
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:57,180
about centralization. In once
everything is centralized,

1073
01:10:57,420 --> 01:11:01,590
especially across systems and
across platforms. Now you have

1074
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:08,340
the, the capability to screw
everything up all at once. And

1075
01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:13,920
that can take the form of Oh,
you're Yeah, you can own your

1076
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,670
own identity with your own keys
and this kind of thing. And you

1077
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:24,960
can use that identity to sign
into Twitter, and Amazon, and

1078
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:30,630
your podcast host and blah,
blah, blah. But you know, what,

1079
01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:35,370
if Twitter then flags this dis
cryptographic identifier that is

1080
01:11:35,370 --> 01:11:39,930
you, your dog as as fraudulent
or as something Yeah, or as

1081
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:47,550
problematic. Then everything's
gone. Your toes so stupid, it's

1082
01:11:47,580 --> 01:11:52,950
it doesn't matter that you own
it, that's really irrelevant to

1083
01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:56,100
the creepiness factor in the
whole thing.

1084
01:11:56,759 --> 01:11:59,699
Looking at the namespace, I
think we're in an interesting

1085
01:11:59,699 --> 01:12:02,519
period now. And I say namespace
specifically because we're

1086
01:12:02,519 --> 01:12:05,309
talking about the tags. But
overall, we're positioning that

1087
01:12:05,309 --> 01:12:10,229
as the podcast standard. Yeah.
Standards, I should say, We're

1088
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:15,929
in an interesting place where we
have a lot of discussion about

1089
01:12:16,049 --> 01:12:21,209
legacy of iTunes tags from the
iTunes namespace, as well as and

1090
01:12:21,209 --> 01:12:24,119
I love the conversation, I've
kept my mouth shut and just

1091
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:29,849
watching it, how we shoehorn
music into the podcast

1092
01:12:29,849 --> 01:12:35,819
standards. And so regarding the
iTunes that we should probably

1093
01:12:35,819 --> 01:12:39,149
talk about that first, and then
talk about the music because I

1094
01:12:39,149 --> 01:12:41,999
think we have some important
decisions to make. And before we

1095
01:12:41,999 --> 01:12:45,059
get all too deep, we should
probably talk about it. But the

1096
01:12:45,059 --> 01:12:50,429
iTunes kind of follows on from
the last episode, and that is

1097
01:12:50,429 --> 01:12:54,509
the iTunes block tag, how that's
misunderstood that we have the

1098
01:12:54,509 --> 01:13:02,759
proposed podcast index, block
tag, or namespace block tag, and

1099
01:13:02,819 --> 01:13:05,999
as well as perhaps a complete
replacement dropping for every

1100
01:13:05,999 --> 01:13:10,349
single iTunes namespace tag. And
this conversation while you were

1101
01:13:10,349 --> 01:13:13,319
out while you weren't looking,
everyone started talking about

1102
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:18,749
it coming up with their own
ideas. Okay, so what are what am

1103
01:13:18,749 --> 01:13:21,299
I? So what are we actually going
to do?

1104
01:13:22,050 --> 01:13:25,020
Let's see, that's what I was
asked. It's right here on my

1105
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:29,640
sheet to talk about this iTunes
tag, should we bring them all in

1106
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,380
and, you know, unmask? Or in the
first question I want to ask is,

1107
01:13:34,770 --> 01:13:40,020
if we bring in all the iTunes
tags set up, you know, that way,

1108
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:45,240
sort of like in one swoop? Is
that legal, or were they

1109
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:52,020
patented or anything? Patented?
Yes. Because at one point in the

1110
01:13:52,020 --> 01:14:01,620
past, you said that Apple, like
some somehow credited you and on

1111
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,390
the iTunes patent?

1112
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:10,560
Yeah, they Yeah, they did. How
was it? I think it was some

1113
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,380
enhancements. It was literally
the that's a good question.

1114
01:14:18,150 --> 01:14:19,980
Let's see what this is. Was

1115
01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:25,320
that pod? Could they actually
patent a namespace and don't

1116
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:25,560
know

1117
01:14:26,730 --> 01:14:31,380
that? Well, awesome. It's been a
while since I've looked at it.

1118
01:14:32,130 --> 01:14:34,530
It is code and you can patent
code. We know that

1119
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,250
unfortunately.

1120
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:41,280
Yes, here it is. They do have a
patent and I shall tell you what

1121
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,810
it is. That's good. We bring
this up because we have to deal

1122
01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,450
with it eventually. Okay, so
what a reason is not popping up

1123
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,930
apples received a granted patent
that relates to podcasting. In

1124
01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:55,860
June 2005, Apple released iTunes
4.9 with native support for

1125
01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:59,340
podcast, Apple's invention
titled techniques and systems

1126
01:14:59,340 --> 01:15:03,570
for support. doing podcasting
pertains to improve podcast

1127
01:15:03,570 --> 01:15:10,740
techniques that facilitate their
use. Let me see

1128
01:15:11,339 --> 01:15:13,019
if it's very general.

1129
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:16,380
Well, the improved techniques
pertain to creating, publishing,

1130
01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:20,160
hosting, accessing, subscribing,
managing, transferring, and or

1131
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:21,570
playing podcasts.

1132
01:15:22,019 --> 01:15:23,189
Good grief.

1133
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:32,310
But I believe that this is all
related to iTunes. Let me see.

1134
01:15:34,980 --> 01:15:39,270
That's a that's this very
sparse. Well, if you're on

1135
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:40,710
the patent, that's what

1136
01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:44,790
I'm looking at. Now. This is a a
report about the patent. I'm

1137
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:50,610
looking for the patent. I think
that had to do with the with

1138
01:15:50,610 --> 01:15:53,970
their with a one click
subscribe, maybe that which will

1139
01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:59,490
be the one that would make
sense. Okay. Something we'll

1140
01:15:59,490 --> 01:16:01,710
have to look at it's worth it's
worth looking into? I don't

1141
01:16:01,710 --> 01:16:03,960
think I mean, it's, I don't
think we're in any peril of

1142
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,110
anything whatsoever. But we
certainly don't have to use it,

1143
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:08,730
we just take it out.

1144
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:10,980
Well, you're not

1145
01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:14,370
gonna get sued for taking it
out. What do you mean taking it

1146
01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:17,640
out? If we're not using the
iTunes namespace or any of their

1147
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,330
tags?

1148
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:21,750
No, I mean, if we, if we
replicate them, so if we, if we

1149
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:26,160
just have to go down the list
and say, Okay, here's this

1150
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,310
iTunes namespace tag, let's make
a podcast namespace equivalent,

1151
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:33,540
one to one, to make sure that
they match perfectly so that we

1152
01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:37,710
everybody can flip from their
feeds from iTunes namespace to

1153
01:16:37,710 --> 01:16:43,440
the podcast namespace with just
by changing the prefix that, you

1154
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:48,330
know that some could, you know,
the question is, is like, is it

1155
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:53,550
patented? And if it is, is your
name on the patent, which would

1156
01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:59,490
give us the ability to do it, to
use it in some way? These are,

1157
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,920
these are questions that I have
because you know, that's

1158
01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,240
and he's that's a very fair
question.

1159
01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:11,220
Huh? Hmm. I mean, we've already
we've already done some of them.

1160
01:17:12,090 --> 01:17:15,600
Yeah. No, you

1161
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,660
got me on that one. Because I've
completely forgotten about that.

1162
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:22,320
And we forgotten about it.

1163
01:17:22,830 --> 01:17:24,570
Yeah. How do we how do we get an
answer to

1164
01:17:27,450 --> 01:17:31,980
I am quite certain there are
enough people within the

1165
01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:35,820
community who will be able to
figure this out for us. So once

1166
01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:38,130
we have that figured out, and
let's say that we can do it.

1167
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:44,010
Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it.
He's back ladies and gentlemen.

1168
01:17:44,010 --> 01:17:48,990
Let's do exactly. Now let's get
over to the to the music thing.

1169
01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:52,800
First of all I completely did
not understand was my head was

1170
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,250
in podcasting. My head was in
bad experiences with POD show me

1171
01:17:56,250 --> 01:18:03,510
vo about playlists. And this was
this as a namespace tag proposed

1172
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:09,120
by Alex gates. And he texted me
you know, many people were

1173
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,870
posting about it. This is really
something that would work very

1174
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:15,090
well for playlist of songs.

1175
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:18,690
Were you were you kidding about
the playlist with the remote

1176
01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:18,990
Yeah,

1177
01:18:19,019 --> 01:18:22,499
you will remote item right? You
can include an item which I

1178
01:18:22,499 --> 01:18:25,559
believe if you do it with the
item it would even it should if

1179
01:18:25,589 --> 01:18:29,219
if item level tags exist it
should do value for value that

1180
01:18:29,249 --> 01:18:33,059
will copy that right over
correct. And yeah, if

1181
01:18:33,060 --> 01:18:35,010
that goes into the spec Yeah,
right.

1182
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:41,550
So I like this of course I like
the question I have is we have

1183
01:18:41,580 --> 01:18:48,090
no APR on the wolf and we have
couple other people doing music

1184
01:18:48,090 --> 01:18:50,610
projects. You know, there's
people trying to figure out do I

1185
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:54,030
do one feed for my whole album
Do I just do and I don't know if

1186
01:18:54,030 --> 01:18:55,500
there's any right or wrong
answer. I don't think there's

1187
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:57,030
any wrong answer. Do I do in

1188
01:18:57,030 --> 01:19:00,900
Spanish lessons banned the first
value for value have been music

1189
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:05,790
podcasts right right was banned.
Now he's a cripple grip.

1190
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:13,530
So now we're talking about
putting like album information

1191
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:19,860
in a in a very specifically
named podcast namespace tag. Is

1192
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:26,190
this a good idea? Does it become
confusing? Is there some hybrid

1193
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:30,840
we need to come up with when it
comes to music? Or are the names

1194
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,630
wrong? You know what I mean?
It's really weird to have some

1195
01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:36,930
talk about an episode and that's
where I'm putting track. You

1196
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:40,950
know, under the hood, it makes
no difference.

1197
01:19:41,099 --> 01:19:43,319
Well, that comes into the
mystery. That's where the medium

1198
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:48,119
tag comes in. Because when it
that was the whole idea of the

1199
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:54,749
medium tag is when you when you
identify this podcast, with a

1200
01:19:54,809 --> 01:19:59,189
particular medium, and all the
terminology can change.

1201
01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:00,930
Oh, Really?

1202
01:20:01,290 --> 01:20:05,820
Yes. If you say this is medium
music, yeah, or me, then

1203
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,850
everything, then they're no
longer episodes. They're their

1204
01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:10,950
tracks. Oh, good.

1205
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:14,700
Okay, so here's an example,
Mitch posted. I was chatting

1206
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:18,960
with Alex about this. He thinks
that podcast network tag, aka

1207
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,280
podcast channel tag will be a
good fit for music artist. See,

1208
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,480
I totally disagree. It may be
the right spot in the feed. But

1209
01:20:27,570 --> 01:20:32,640
this is confusing for people. In
what way tell me the confusion

1210
01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:36,720
if I'm an artist, and I have to,
and I and I presumably am going

1211
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,110
to have to figure out how to put
together my feed for however I'm

1212
01:20:40,110 --> 01:20:45,720
going to use it. I want to see
if it's music artists, why isn't

1213
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,310
the tag called music artist? Why
is the tag podcast channel you

1214
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:51,150
understand what I'm saying?

1215
01:20:54,270 --> 01:20:59,430
Or the podcasts net, the channel
slash network tag is for

1216
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:06,150
aggregating multiple podcasts
into a single into a single sort

1217
01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:13,650
of virtual network of shows. So
it's like, it's a way to

1218
01:21:13,650 --> 01:21:21,630
identify this feed is part of a
broader fee is a broader Am I

1219
01:21:21,630 --> 01:21:25,050
trying to say is if let's just
say there's a channel

1220
01:21:25,050 --> 01:21:29,010
identifier, and the channel
identifier is I'm just making

1221
01:21:29,010 --> 01:21:32,610
this up. This is not the spec.
But there's a channel ID and the

1222
01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:39,900
channel ID is you know, 12345
and 17. RSS feeds have a channel

1223
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:45,870
identifier of 12345. All seven
of those three of those podcast

1224
01:21:45,870 --> 01:21:51,330
feeds would logically be seen
as, as a pod as a network of

1225
01:21:51,330 --> 01:21:56,760
feeds, or a channel of feeds.
And that channel of feeds could

1226
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:02,070
be the Doobie Brothers. So the
Doobie Brothers could be 12345.

1227
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:07,350
And then each album within there
has that identifier, and it's

1228
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:09,030
showing that it's part part part

1229
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:12,630
of the series. Catalog got the
Doobie Brothers? I'm just

1230
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:18,210
talking purely about the words,
is it confusing? To use all

1231
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:23,130
podcast specific terminology
when people are using music for

1232
01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:26,790
the feed specifically, I may be
off on this, it may not make any

1233
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:30,150
difference people. For instance,
by April Kirby have been looking

1234
01:22:30,180 --> 01:22:34,320
into the person tag, we use band
name as person with role equals

1235
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,220
band set in the feed level.
Which I which I don't think

1236
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:40,860
that's his band, even an option.
He's just putting that in.

1237
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:42,540
Probably,

1238
01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:45,060
I don't know what had the
taxonomies big and have to look

1239
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:47,130
no further than the head.

1240
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,360
But the bottom line is the
minute you have the medium tag,

1241
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:56,250
and it says music, then
technically, all these tags

1242
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:57,900
would be would make sense.

1243
01:22:58,740 --> 01:23:02,730
Yes, that's because when you
when you bring in the medium

1244
01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:09,690
tag, what you're doing is you're
applying sort of a logical layer

1245
01:23:09,690 --> 01:23:15,750
on top of the feed that changes
things about the feed. So you

1246
01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:19,410
can imagine it as like a is like
a filter. And so every

1247
01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:24,480
everywhere that something like
the term episode existed now it

1248
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:30,660
it's track everywhere that that
per, you know, person existed

1249
01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:34,980
now it's in a musician or
whatever, you know, and it's now

1250
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:40,500
no longer you know, Episode art,
its album art, these all these

1251
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:46,080
things become different, just by
virtue of having the different

1252
01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:51,240
medium in there because you're,
you're saying that you're saying

1253
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,690
that dislike okay, it helps to
understand, it helps to

1254
01:23:54,690 --> 01:24:01,680
understand by knowing that the
default medium is podcast, the

1255
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:07,650
default medium type is podcast.
So then if you change it to, to

1256
01:24:07,650 --> 01:24:15,960
the medium to let's say film,
now that that episode is you

1257
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,790
know is a maybe you have one
episode there that's a trailer

1258
01:24:21,090 --> 01:24:24,690
in the next episode is the is
the feature film. You're not

1259
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:30,030
talking you're no longer talking
about episodes and podcasters

1260
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,130
you're talking about this other
thing,

1261
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:33,900
you know what I'm just saying,
you know, when I think I'm hung

1262
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:39,000
up on I'm hung up on how how
musicians are going to because

1263
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,750
if we let it go, musicians are
going to get on, you know, any

1264
01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,840
hosting company that that has at
least enough of the tax

1265
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,980
compatible is going to create
their albums in an I think in a

1266
01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:54,450
crippled way versus if we have
some really, you know what, how

1267
01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:59,820
are musicians the average
musician is wants to create an

1268
01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:03,690
owl Problem with value for
value. They're going to have to

1269
01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:07,080
go somewhere. And I don't think
the existing hosting companies

1270
01:25:07,380 --> 01:25:11,310
will make it broad enough for
most music musicians to make

1271
01:25:11,310 --> 01:25:14,910
that switch in their head. Okay,
it's a podcast, but now I'm

1272
01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:18,960
using these these things for my
album title, you know, I'm

1273
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,540
saying it's like, that's such,
it's easy for us, because we

1274
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:24,420
understand the tags, we
understand how it works, but a

1275
01:25:24,420 --> 01:25:25,530
musician is gonna go.

1276
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,580
Yeah, I see. Yeah, yeah, to me,

1277
01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:33,330
maybe it's more the UX and UI of
the feed creation I'm looking at

1278
01:25:33,330 --> 01:25:38,910
used to even be that an artist
needs to go there. It needs to

1279
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:42,420
be really simple, like, okay,
you know, I'm dragging these

1280
01:25:42,420 --> 01:25:46,410
tracks in or whatever it is. And
this is, and this is the, the

1281
01:25:46,410 --> 01:25:49,530
order I want them in. And here's
the art. And here's all the

1282
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:53,730
other things. And then there's
other choices like, is it my, do

1283
01:25:53,730 --> 01:25:56,820
I just do a bunch of songs all
my life long and it's one feed?

1284
01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:00,060
Or is it I mean, that those are
all different things. But the

1285
01:26:00,090 --> 01:26:03,750
feed creation, if we keep going
this way, I think we're going to

1286
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:06,390
hurt ourselves. Because there'll
be a lot of musicians who don't

1287
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:11,730
understand how an album and
tracks fit into a podcast.

1288
01:26:12,450 --> 01:26:16,620
This is all UI. It just feels
like it's all UI, because you

1289
01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:21,690
can logically see how it how it
works. But yes, of course, if

1290
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:25,770
you don't present Yeah. In the
right way. It's a confusing,

1291
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:29,580
it's a confusing mess. Yeah, no,
I guess it's a good thing that

1292
01:26:29,580 --> 01:26:31,680
you brought that up, because it
could very easily become this

1293
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,580
Gordian knot of, you know,
impenetrable language.

1294
01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:39,600
Right. And I like the exploring
that we're figuring out what,

1295
01:26:39,630 --> 01:26:45,180
what, what tags work best for
which, which comparable piece of

1296
01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:50,340
information of, of music
metadata? Well, there you go,

1297
01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:52,890
Steven B. Create that, will you
build it already?

1298
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,650
Yeah, well, I mean, so I mean,
this level of view is hard.

1299
01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:02,040
Because yes, just one master
switch where you say, Okay, this

1300
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,010
is not a podcast anymore. Now,
this is an audio book. And now

1301
01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:07,530
these are not tracks, they're
chapters, is

1302
01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:10,590
like, feels to me, like there's
got to be some this, we're

1303
01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:12,570
overlooking something, or
there's something we should

1304
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:13,650
probably I don't know,

1305
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:19,890
I've done this before I've
there, there have, I have

1306
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:24,090
production software that does
something similar to this, you

1307
01:27:24,090 --> 01:27:29,580
can change you, you change a
parameter. And everything in the

1308
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:35,700
entire URL, UI changes, changes
its text, from one thing to

1309
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:41,550
another, have got actually two
products that do this, projects

1310
01:27:41,550 --> 01:27:47,640
that do this. And it's not, it's
not super hard. It's just that

1311
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,940
you have to, you got to take the
time to code it in, you got to

1312
01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:54,000
do it carefully. So that you've,
you're not screwing things up,

1313
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,550
maybe it is doable, it's not the
end of the world.

1314
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:59,220
I think it's low hanging fruit
is what I'm maybe what I'm

1315
01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:04,050
saying it's this, let's see to
let's do this, because the

1316
01:28:04,050 --> 01:28:07,530
musicians are showing up, they
want to use it, they like

1317
01:28:07,530 --> 01:28:10,740
they've already figured out,
Hey, I could do this with you

1318
01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:14,640
know, each podcast could be a
song and I could possibly get

1319
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,000
some value for the value I've
put into my work. So they're

1320
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,330
figuring it out. They're showing
up they want to do it. And I

1321
01:28:21,330 --> 01:28:23,700
just see people struggling
because I guess you're gonna

1322
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:26,700
have to create your feed
manually, or I'm not sure. And

1323
01:28:26,730 --> 01:28:31,800
there's all kinds of pros and
cons. I think when you're if

1324
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:38,310
you're doing a 12 track album,
you probably can look at a very

1325
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:45,540
simple self hosting solution
versus you know, a hosting

1326
01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:46,110
company.

1327
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,280
Yeah, cuz that way Yeah. And
that way you're not because

1328
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,120
you're just doing a one on one
and done. Just every so often.

1329
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:58,080
You're not, that's it's hard to
just find maybe monthly payment

1330
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,890
for that forever. And you could
just self host it. Yeah, there

1331
01:29:01,890 --> 01:29:05,070
was something like sovereign
fades. Yeah. Yeah, I can see

1332
01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:08,730
that. And then you you see that
UI in your head and it's like,

1333
01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:12,330
okay, there's a there's a drop
down box and what type of thing

1334
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,420
Yeah. Yeah, book.

1335
01:29:15,509 --> 01:29:19,079
Yeah, just like we have for the
eight sovereign sovereign feet.

1336
01:29:19,109 --> 01:29:21,689
You know, the live item every
everything changes. Now, there's

1337
01:29:21,689 --> 01:29:23,699
some live things I got to fill
out.

1338
01:29:24,030 --> 01:29:28,080
Yeah, that's, that's kind of
cool. And it also the presence

1339
01:29:28,110 --> 01:29:33,150
of that flip down, that drop
down, shows people that they can

1340
01:29:33,150 --> 01:29:35,850
do other things. Oh, cool. I can
I didn't know I can make a

1341
01:29:36,089 --> 01:29:40,229
good point album. Yeah, good
point. Good point discovery. And

1342
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:43,439
I gotta say, sovereign feeds is
becoming a good piece of kit.

1343
01:29:44,219 --> 01:29:46,889
I've been using it for months.
I've been using it for months

1344
01:29:46,889 --> 01:29:51,089
and you know, and it's never
really failed, but it's Steven

1345
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:55,469
keeps refining the UI and
there's little things he changes

1346
01:29:55,469 --> 01:29:57,479
you know, just the, the
beautiful things like this is

1347
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:01,079
automatically copy you know,
that's there or that is just

1348
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:04,169
almost everything except
incrementing. Which I, which I

1349
01:30:04,169 --> 01:30:07,889
don't want, by the way. Just
another piece of low hanging

1350
01:30:07,889 --> 01:30:11,579
fruit that I've been having a
back and forth was roofie about

1351
01:30:11,609 --> 01:30:13,529
Rofi of caste coverage.com.

1352
01:30:14,010 --> 01:30:18,180
Oh, Ria roof roof. Roof roof.
Yeah.

1353
01:30:19,410 --> 01:30:25,260
He, like others. He said, Hey, I
really I it resonated with me

1354
01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:30,720
that 40% of women according to a
survey, listen to podcasts on

1355
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:38,130
the website. And he said, What
is it an idea for the podcast

1356
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:47,310
apps to offer? Ready to go
websites to podcasters. And the

1357
01:30:47,310 --> 01:30:50,490
way we were kind of going back
and forth, it's like, well, I

1358
01:30:50,490 --> 01:30:56,190
could choose a curio caster
website, a cast calm coverage

1359
01:30:56,190 --> 01:30:59,790
website. And these would all be
in all and all they're doing is

1360
01:30:59,790 --> 01:31:02,010
they're pulling in pulling in
the feed, of course, you know,

1361
01:31:02,010 --> 01:31:05,730
there's, I think I made one of
these, what's that there's a

1362
01:31:05,730 --> 01:31:08,400
couple of different different
outfits like that where they

1363
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,490
pull in your feed, and they make
make a website for you. And then

1364
01:31:11,490 --> 01:31:13,830
they give you a whole bunch of
buttons for Google and Apple and

1365
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:14,490
Spotify.

1366
01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:17,250
Language, which you can't

1367
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:20,490
get rid of, you know, as they I
don't want these two, there's

1368
01:31:20,490 --> 01:31:23,100
not the right night, the right
customization, but they have

1369
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:27,810
nice design. And right there
could be built Hey, you're

1370
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,450
you're listening to the podcast,
would you like to support it,

1371
01:31:30,450 --> 01:31:34,260
click here. I mean, that is, in
essence, what the web app, web

1372
01:31:34,260 --> 01:31:38,160
apps are on on desktop, but also
on mobile, is that got

1373
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,370
everything all there, except
instead of showing episodes,

1374
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:46,020
and, and your subscriptions,
that should be a click of the

1375
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:49,770
button when you've drawn people
in. But it shouldn't be I should

1376
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:52,410
have a beautiful homepage, I
want to send people to what I

1377
01:31:52,410 --> 01:31:56,070
want them to look at, I want to
send episode pages. And from

1378
01:31:56,070 --> 01:32:00,210
there, depending on how good the
the website is, and the ad the

1379
01:32:00,210 --> 01:32:05,250
app that provides it. And that's
where you want to entice people

1380
01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:10,350
to start using that app. Which
clearly they're already doing.

1381
01:32:10,410 --> 01:32:15,360
It's just except it's a web
page. So I'd love to have an I

1382
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:20,910
tried to share all the time with
a curio caster or a dump pod

1383
01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:26,010
verse or pod friend, but it'd be
great if what I'm sending him to

1384
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,370
He's actually my homepage and I
could map my URL to it. Oh, and

1385
01:32:29,370 --> 01:32:34,140
by the way, take an extra an
extra percentage from from the

1386
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:37,200
split here. I'll put it right in
for you. That's cool. Thank you

1387
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,720
for the homepage. Low hanging
fruit.

1388
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:43,860
Yeah, and we could put that week
if it was done in a standardized

1389
01:32:43,860 --> 01:32:49,920
way I'm not sure what that would
be to think through it. But if

1390
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,440
it was done in a standard
standardized sort of templated

1391
01:32:52,440 --> 01:32:58,410
way we could link to those
things from from the pod cast

1392
01:32:58,410 --> 01:33:02,670
index I'm sure and he could just
pop this oh hey I want I want to

1393
01:33:02,670 --> 01:33:06,000
see my curio caster page and
then you go over there and

1394
01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:08,880
I mean literally what would
Ruthie was saying is you know

1395
01:33:09,180 --> 01:33:15,210
right now we have you know for
for each item there's obviously

1396
01:33:15,210 --> 01:33:19,020
a link tag you know which which
would be an episode page but it

1397
01:33:19,020 --> 01:33:24,030
would be an episode page on a
nice website that reflects my my

1398
01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:29,580
podcast my branding you know
whatever it is but also the cast

1399
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:35,100
coverage branding or you know
the pod friend it's all Yeah,

1400
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,510
it's a balance but I can see
it's again 40% of women

1401
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:43,740
according to a survey listen not
on an app but listen to it on a

1402
01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:48,450
website that click and a player
Come on this is like this is

1403
01:33:48,450 --> 01:33:52,830
what we this is where you want
to be the Episode Episode guid

1404
01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:59,190
would be or the episode URL I
mean there's all different ways

1405
01:33:59,190 --> 01:34:00,840
to do it. But

1406
01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:03,420
for it let's work let's work it
out on the Macedon and then

1407
01:34:03,420 --> 01:34:06,450
we'll and then we'll like build
standard out of it.

1408
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:10,980
I like it I like this and by the
way I would use it. I have I

1409
01:34:10,980 --> 01:34:15,210
have a couple of shows. I would
love to have like mo facts I

1410
01:34:15,210 --> 01:34:17,970
think we can do a lot better
with a with a podcast website

1411
01:34:17,970 --> 01:34:22,410
Korean the keeper. G How about
podcasting? 2.0 we have exactly

1412
01:34:22,410 --> 01:34:27,480
zero homepage we do not have an
archive page we don't have

1413
01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:28,080
nothing

1414
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,850
we have an OPML

1415
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,100
outline we do have that yes

1416
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,670
I was very sexy outline though.

1417
01:34:35,970 --> 01:34:40,080
Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Did you
upgrade freedom controller

1418
01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:46,560
me one someone posted something
on like questions like that

1419
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,450
because to me something changed
and I didn't know

1420
01:34:48,450 --> 01:34:50,700
someone posted something and
said freedom controllers

1421
01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:55,680
upgraded from forget which
version it was. And it looking

1422
01:34:56,010 --> 01:34:56,940
in your feet.

1423
01:34:56,969 --> 01:35:00,569
No, no, no, it's I was it was a
poll. Most

1424
01:35:01,770 --> 01:35:05,550
men and what me? I don't know
what that was. I'd be

1425
01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:08,310
interesting. I'm curious to know
what it was though.

1426
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,640
I'll have to go and look for it.
I was thinking to myself man

1427
01:35:11,670 --> 01:35:14,820
Davies incredible man, he's got
three seconds of downtime in

1428
01:35:14,820 --> 01:35:21,180
between now you're scraping his
kid off the pavement. Update the

1429
01:35:21,180 --> 01:35:22,050
freedom controller.

1430
01:35:22,890 --> 01:35:28,110
The hospital delivered the food
15 minutes to push a Docker

1431
01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:31,560
image. Okay, we want to thank
some people.

1432
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:38,310
Yes, right off the bat. We need
to thank an incredible patron of

1433
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:43,710
many value for value projects
who sent us in his traditional

1434
01:35:43,710 --> 01:35:49,770
manner in all cash which means
it's always very freaky to see

1435
01:35:49,770 --> 01:35:54,480
the show up and showed up on my
PO Box. I'm talking about the

1436
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:59,460
patron saint sister anonymous of
Dogpatch and lower Slobo via

1437
01:35:59,790 --> 01:36:04,590
Oh we got some sir anonymous
love on this show $4,000

1438
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:05,550
in cash

1439
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,690
in cash

1440
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:11,910
shot caller 20 is blades on
Ambala

1441
01:36:12,930 --> 01:36:16,590
he says no. He says no no, but
now he always sends cash when he

1442
01:36:16,590 --> 01:36:20,340
sends a donations because he's
completely anonymous. We know a

1443
01:36:20,340 --> 01:36:23,820
little bit about him but not
really. And it just showed up in

1444
01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:27,270
the envelope and it says For
podcast index that's all it said

1445
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:31,950
and so I I have his email and I
say yeah, I got a man blown away

1446
01:36:31,950 --> 01:36:36,120
by this did you have anything to
say or can we credit you said no

1447
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,400
you can credit unusual but you
know it's just it's what the

1448
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,160
index is. This is important he
said this is important what

1449
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,960
you're doing so yeah, holy cow.
It would have been even more

1450
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,480
impressive you if you sent it as
a boost but okay

1451
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,150
never escaped criticism.

1452
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,060
So we'll give them a big guy.

1453
01:36:59,610 --> 01:37:03,150
Man, my son is direct motorcycle
every week. Amazing.

1454
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,050
This is really appreciated this
this goes right into the

1455
01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:10,980
emergency fund this this goes
into our sky we're very I mean,

1456
01:37:10,980 --> 01:37:14,070
I could not be more over the
moon about this. Thank you so

1457
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:18,720
much. Toronto, Mr. Dogpatch and
lower Slovenia. Yeah, isn't that

1458
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:19,260
nice?

1459
01:37:19,349 --> 01:37:21,179
Yeah, I'm a little bit
speechless to be honest. But

1460
01:37:21,180 --> 01:37:25,410
yet imagine imagine I come home
from the PA there's always fun

1461
01:37:25,410 --> 01:37:27,810
stuff when I come back from the
PIO box and you never know

1462
01:37:27,810 --> 01:37:32,340
what's in it. Does this
challenge coin stickers, Bibles,

1463
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:39,390
food edibles, edibles other
other unmentionables ammo people

1464
01:37:39,390 --> 01:37:42,420
send the crazy stuff. And
there's this thick envelope and

1465
01:37:42,420 --> 01:37:44,850
you know teenagers we love
opening this stuff together we

1466
01:37:44,850 --> 01:37:47,310
do it right there on the on the
kitchen on the island. You know,

1467
01:37:47,310 --> 01:37:51,030
we we cook and it's we got all
the boxes like Christmas like

1468
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:53,850
Christmas. Look at all these
cool things people say. And then

1469
01:37:53,850 --> 01:37:58,650
she says what is this? wad of
hundreds?

1470
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,440
Like I don't know, but handed
out give it Give it here. I'll

1471
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:01,920
take it out.

1472
01:38:01,950 --> 01:38:05,430
Now she right away when she was
dusting for prints during the UV

1473
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:08,640
light. I'm going to find out who
this guy is. Thank you Esther

1474
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,460
Onra. So Dogpatch Marshall
govia. This incredibly

1475
01:38:11,460 --> 01:38:15,240
appreciated. It's one of those
dubious sources were funded by

1476
01:38:15,570 --> 01:38:22,080
dubious sources named unnamed
sources. Yes. to the chagrin of

1477
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,990
the Brookings Institute, we have
dubious sources and we also have

1478
01:38:25,020 --> 01:38:29,040
non dubious sources. Marco
Arment $500

1479
01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:30,870
This is a week

1480
01:38:32,910 --> 01:38:37,260
this is the week we don't do a
show, right? Get the biggest

1481
01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:38,220
donations ever.

1482
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:42,900
It's it's funny, it's sometimes
it's like that is really weird.

1483
01:38:42,930 --> 01:38:48,150
Yes. Well Marco, of course is a
monthly contributor. And and

1484
01:38:48,180 --> 01:38:52,950
this is this is our ongoing
support that he is he's

1485
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:55,680
dedicated and it just keeps
going to really appreciate it

1486
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:56,220
Marco

1487
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:59,789
Yeah, and cuz because I always
worry you know, when we have to

1488
01:38:59,789 --> 01:39:02,999
skip a show because people
people are supporting the index

1489
01:39:03,059 --> 01:39:07,769
and the project that they're
also supporting the show and we

1490
01:39:07,769 --> 01:39:11,219
end the show is is partially not
just where we have the board

1491
01:39:11,219 --> 01:39:14,579
meeting best way to give you
know give a product of value and

1492
01:39:14,579 --> 01:39:14,699
it's

1493
01:39:14,700 --> 01:39:17,730
where we ask is where we thank
you where we show the value and

1494
01:39:17,730 --> 01:39:21,240
where we ask for value in return
is critical critical so I always

1495
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,520
worry when we miss a week
because I'm like yeah, you know

1496
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,970
we get I mean I want people to
hear the product and hear

1497
01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:29,340
everything that's happening and
all that kind of stuff but man

1498
01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:33,210
this was fantastic. I hope that
doesn't mean that we did they

1499
01:39:33,210 --> 01:39:35,640
enjoy it better when we don't
when we don't produce the show.

1500
01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,730
No no no What did what this
means is the next episode will

1501
01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:43,560
have almost no donation nothing.
And then you know, that'll last

1502
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,500
a few weeks that we roll out the
sad puppy and we're back on

1503
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:49,800
track. It always evens and it
always evens out in the end. But

1504
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,580
what's beautiful to see is the
value people attached to the

1505
01:39:53,580 --> 01:39:54,750
project and what we're doing.

1506
01:39:56,670 --> 01:40:01,620
Thank you Mark Mike Dell from
blueberry gave us $22.22 For

1507
01:40:01,620 --> 01:40:05,610
through PayPal Yeah, thank you
might get a give me give me some

1508
01:40:05,610 --> 01:40:08,130
popping love mike so I can I can
pivot

1509
01:40:08,460 --> 01:40:10,500
with this Fiat ducks. Yeah

1510
01:40:11,730 --> 01:40:18,210
somebody named Scott niznik Does
Nick isn't it isn't it give us

1511
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:22,320
$1 through Pay Pal one time
donation Thank you we'll take it

1512
01:40:24,150 --> 01:40:28,710
as we get this Graham's
histogram pulled up here

1513
01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,300
my favorite I got mad I should
have had this one lined up

1514
01:40:33,300 --> 01:40:35,550
alright there's nothing like
kicking off the booster ramp

1515
01:40:35,550 --> 01:40:41,520
segment with a little bit of
love that

1516
01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:49,200
Paul Stanley boosts 3333 sets
from now this goes way back I

1517
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,350
mean because we missed it we
missed a week. Yeah, this goes

1518
01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:57,870
way back to April the 10th 3333
stats through fountain from

1519
01:40:57,870 --> 01:41:01,620
signs of new growth, the podcast
Did you listen to signs of new

1520
01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:02,010
growth?

1521
01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:05,730
I want to say I have a wife who
was

1522
01:41:05,970 --> 01:41:10,800
a music podcast it's it's
basically a rolling album of

1523
01:41:10,890 --> 01:41:11,460
tracks.

1524
01:41:11,580 --> 01:41:15,870
I know I know this because signs
of new growth is the handle on

1525
01:41:17,130 --> 01:41:20,040
on the Macedon. That's why I've
seen the postings from signs of

1526
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:20,610
new growth.

1527
01:41:20,940 --> 01:41:23,880
Yeah, I got some good tunes on
these. Listen. Yeah, cool. Okay.

1528
01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:28,110
Yeah. 3333 This is Dave Jones
tech support feed refreshed

1529
01:41:28,110 --> 01:41:31,920
boost. It's been so long ago. I
don't even know what I did.

1530
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,340
Alright, keep doing it. It's
working. Keep doing it. Yes.

1531
01:41:35,460 --> 01:41:38,910
Middle Aged dev gave us 500 SAS
through fountaining. He says go

1532
01:41:38,910 --> 01:41:45,750
server upgrades. By the way.
Speaking of server upgrades, the

1533
01:41:45,780 --> 01:41:51,690
aggregator rollout is finished.
Congratulations. We dropped our

1534
01:41:52,260 --> 01:42:00,300
we dropped our monthly outlay on
the aggregators from $175 to

1535
01:42:00,300 --> 01:42:01,440
$45.

1536
01:42:01,589 --> 01:42:04,049
Ooh, nice. Yep,

1537
01:42:04,110 --> 01:42:04,980
that's a part.

1538
01:42:05,130 --> 01:42:07,290
That's a huge savings.

1539
01:42:07,740 --> 01:42:15,390
Yep, we saved 130 bucks. And so
the about about 40 of that will

1540
01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:19,710
go back into a couple of more
aggregators. And then the rest

1541
01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:22,530
of it will go into upgrade the
database to bigger via

1542
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:24,180
beautiful web.

1543
01:42:25,380 --> 01:42:31,560
And by the way, huge thank you
to McIntosh on Mastodon, who has

1544
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:37,530
been helping me to tweak our we
use MySQL he's been helping me

1545
01:42:37,530 --> 01:42:42,360
tweak our MySQL server settings
pool and he's been given me a

1546
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,780
lot of help with what his
recommended he's a he's a guru

1547
01:42:45,780 --> 01:42:49,290
and he's been given me a lot of
help on which configuration

1548
01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:52,980
variables to use for our
particular setup. So I'm going

1549
01:42:52,980 --> 01:42:55,860
to do I'm going to roll out his
changes that he recommended when

1550
01:42:55,860 --> 01:43:00,870
I do the server upgrade probably
in May. So it's going to be her

1551
01:43:00,930 --> 01:43:04,380
it Yeah, I really appreciate him
he just privately D and means

1552
01:43:04,380 --> 01:43:06,900
like, hey, let's get this thing.
Let's get this thing in shape.

1553
01:43:08,430 --> 01:43:11,550
Thank you for that value
Macintosh. So sir dug through

1554
01:43:11,550 --> 01:43:18,150
fountain gives 4400 SATs and he
says Welcome back. You see, we

1555
01:43:18,150 --> 01:43:22,650
got 3333 again from saizen New
Growth thank you so as new

1556
01:43:22,650 --> 01:43:29,430
growth and we got a 20 to 22 Row
ducks from jaunty ms through

1557
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:32,400
breeze and he says, listening to
MIT OpenCourseWare

1558
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,370
cryptocurrency engineering and
design taught by the co author

1559
01:43:35,370 --> 01:43:38,790
of the lightning white paper.
Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. All

1560
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:42,420
right. All right. This is euro
dogs.

1561
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,450
He boosted that to us, but

1562
01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:49,860
I wonder what that's well, maybe
we got Putting the value block

1563
01:43:49,860 --> 01:43:53,430
somewhere. Yeah, maybe that's
really jarring when when I'm

1564
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:57,180
looking at heli pad, and all of
a sudden, like, something shows

1565
01:43:57,180 --> 01:43:58,710
up for a whole different
podcast.

1566
01:43:59,190 --> 01:44:02,550
Yeah. Went to us. It was to us
for the case of 81.

1567
01:44:02,940 --> 01:44:06,780
Okay, but I have seen this one
when we're put into, into

1568
01:44:06,780 --> 01:44:09,390
someone's value block and it
shows on the podcast like, well,

1569
01:44:09,390 --> 01:44:11,850
what is this doing here? Oh, we
must have put it in the split.

1570
01:44:11,850 --> 01:44:16,560
Okay. Cool. We wouldn't mind
seeing more of that. Yeah,

1571
01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:19,440
that would be that'd be a
welcome change. Auburn citadel.

1572
01:44:19,470 --> 01:44:25,440
Give us 49,000 SATs. Whoa. And
through fountain any says Public

1573
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,120
Service Announcement stay up to
date on your

1574
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,000
boosts? Boost. Nice. Thank you.

1575
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:33,600
I agree. That is very, very
public service announcement.

1576
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:40,470
Karen from mere mortals podcast.
Through pod friend gave us 3210

1577
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:44,340
SATs and he says I used to
manually screenshot copy and

1578
01:44:44,370 --> 01:44:47,010
upload booster grant comments
into my chapter images for a

1579
01:44:47,010 --> 01:44:50,220
while until it became too
tedious. I would 100% use an

1580
01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:52,350
automated version of this great
idea Adam.

1581
01:44:53,340 --> 01:44:58,020
All right. This was the idea to
have boosted grams automatically

1582
01:44:58,020 --> 01:45:05,010
generate the chapter JSON
outdated as you go along. Yeah,

1583
01:45:05,190 --> 01:45:09,120
I would I would use that in some
instances, some instances.

1584
01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:13,380
I'm sure Dred Scott would too
because it would give him more

1585
01:45:13,410 --> 01:45:15,510
tools in his Swiss Army Knife
toolbox.

1586
01:45:15,930 --> 01:45:18,900
There's so much that can be done
with with chapters.

1587
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:26,100
Caspe eland gave us 33 sets and
he says, I hate listening live

1588
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:26,670
week.

1589
01:45:32,940 --> 01:45:36,780
Caspian again 330 SAS and he
says, about the aggregator

1590
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:40,980
nodes. How about decentralized?
I got some spare V VPU clicks on

1591
01:45:40,980 --> 01:45:44,490
my end many ways. That's
something we've talked about

1592
01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:45,150
before I

1593
01:45:45,150 --> 01:45:45,840
remember that.

1594
01:45:47,010 --> 01:45:52,200
And it is something I'm still
very willing to do. We backed

1595
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:56,520
off from it, because there's a
danger there. If you don't

1596
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:01,440
design it mean like perfectly,
is the danger of just basically

1597
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:04,710
becoming a huge DDoS machine on
podcast hosting companies.

1598
01:46:05,370 --> 01:46:09,000
Yeah, well, this is also from
that, I think stemmed the whole

1599
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:12,060
pod picking development. So
ultimately, everyone will be

1600
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:14,070
using pod ping. Right.

1601
01:46:14,910 --> 01:46:20,490
Yep. Right. Exactly. And we're
seeing it roll out. It's, it's

1602
01:46:20,490 --> 01:46:26,460
marching forward. I love it. I
mean, I said, I think I said

1603
01:46:26,610 --> 01:46:30,360
towards, I think I said a couple
months ago, or maybe a month ago

1604
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:36,900
that I really think that we're
going to be pushing 400,000

1605
01:46:37,530 --> 01:46:41,490
podcast feeds, using pod paying
by the end of the year. Oh, I

1606
01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:45,630
think that's more than feasible.
Close to half a million feeds.

1607
01:46:46,260 --> 01:46:49,560
And I think at that point, it
just becomes at that moment at

1608
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:49,770
that

1609
01:46:49,770 --> 01:46:52,890
point. Yeah, at that point. You
also have most of the active

1610
01:46:53,190 --> 01:46:54,360
podcast probably.

1611
01:46:54,780 --> 01:46:58,380
Yeah, yeah. All you really
honestly, all you really need is

1612
01:46:58,380 --> 01:47:03,780
probably the top and I'm not
including anchor and I mean,

1613
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,890
obviously blah, blah. But you
know, as far as the paid hosts

1614
01:47:07,890 --> 01:47:12,510
go, really only all you need is
maybe the top 10 And you have

1615
01:47:12,510 --> 01:47:17,640
covered you've covered almost
everything that's a routinely

1616
01:47:17,670 --> 01:47:18,780
update frequently update.

1617
01:47:18,810 --> 01:47:23,850
We need a promotion team at
Podcast Movement in August in

1618
01:47:23,850 --> 01:47:27,600
Dallas. Yeah. A pod ping
promotion team.

1619
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:30,780
pppd. Yes,

1620
01:47:30,810 --> 01:47:34,320
thank you. And I'm not quite
sure exactly what they do. I do

1621
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,930
know what the goal is. But would
they need some?

1622
01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:42,180
Just laughing because this is
creating teams for things that

1623
01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:42,930
we don't understand.

1624
01:47:43,230 --> 01:47:48,030
Well, you know, one of my
favorite marketing promotions of

1625
01:47:48,030 --> 01:47:51,060
all time very successful in all
of the marketing books is I want

1626
01:47:51,060 --> 01:47:56,010
my MTV Yeah, you like that? So I
want my pod ping but that sounds

1627
01:47:56,010 --> 01:47:59,100
shit. So we got to come up with
something better but you know,

1628
01:48:00,330 --> 01:48:07,290
ping me, maybe ping me. Okay,
well, to be worked on, but in

1629
01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:11,010
general, I would say pod ping is
a big one to talk about it at

1630
01:48:11,130 --> 01:48:13,680
Podcast Movement. We're gonna
have a presence this year. We're

1631
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,620
going to be there we're going to
be in full force. Oh heck yeah

1632
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:20,010
me kicking ass and taking names
and anyone out of the building

1633
01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:22,380
until the 2.0 compliant and pod
ping or wall

1634
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:27,060
ping and ask not kicking ass
pinging pinging pinging as in

1635
01:48:27,060 --> 01:48:32,190
writing into the blockchain.
Cast peatland again 2937 He says

1636
01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:35,790
thanks for the work in Felton
Thank you boost boost boost.

1637
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:41,340
We'll see if 5050 says for
Macintosh. Speak of the devil.

1638
01:48:41,670 --> 01:48:46,440
He says thanks guys Note to self
put Kate SATs in wallet. What

1639
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:47,310
does that mean Kate

1640
01:48:47,310 --> 01:48:52,680
to set k i t. I have no idea
what he's talking about.

1641
01:48:52,830 --> 01:48:56,730
No idea. You know what that
means? send another donation

1642
01:48:56,730 --> 01:49:03,390
next week. Satoshi stream 5552
says through fountain and he

1643
01:49:03,390 --> 01:49:07,650
says to podcast app developers
the bolt for the V for V to V

1644
01:49:07,650 --> 01:49:11,280
metadata has not been changed
since January. Now's a good time

1645
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,710
to implement boosts and
streaming sets. It's not a

1646
01:49:13,710 --> 01:49:16,110
moving target. It's stable. Good

1647
01:49:16,110 --> 01:49:21,960
point. Excellent point Satoshi
streams yeah right arm pirate

1648
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:25,710
pioneers by the way pioneers in
the industry pioneers of the TLV

1649
01:49:25,710 --> 01:49:26,160
record

1650
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:30,870
they still kill me because
essentially stream just came out

1651
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:36,450
of nowhere like day one. Like
oh, what I mean, that was just

1652
01:49:36,450 --> 01:49:37,020
amazing.

1653
01:49:37,530 --> 01:49:41,100
Isn't it isn't Dutch guys who
run on that? Yeah, yeah. The

1654
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:42,540
Dutch man. I tell you,

1655
01:49:42,810 --> 01:49:47,550
we keep calling Satoshi stream.
God Dutch guys like it's a team.

1656
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,660
It's probably just one dude. I
mean, like, or it could be a

1657
01:49:51,660 --> 01:49:53,370
chick like one day that one.

1658
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:57,240
First of all, shame on you Dave
Jones for saying a chick

1659
01:49:57,900 --> 01:49:59,970
with this. As in dude.

1660
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,640
Yeah, you said one guy, guy.

1661
01:50:03,150 --> 01:50:06,390
Oh, I thought I said dude,
shakes guys and gals so

1662
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:10,260
well, we need to have the
Satoshi stream team, the stream

1663
01:50:10,260 --> 01:50:13,290
team need to have him on the
show. The stream team. This is

1664
01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:16,830
an outrage. We haven't had the
stream team on the show. Yeah.

1665
01:50:16,830 --> 01:50:17,010
Why

1666
01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:18,000
have we done that? Okay, I

1667
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,910
don't know. You're in charge of
booking guests. I'm honest. is

1668
01:50:20,910 --> 01:50:23,010
biased. You hate Dutch people? I
guess?

1669
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:29,040
I did. Well, I mean, just just a
few. Only hate the only hate

1670
01:50:29,070 --> 01:50:38,670
only hate pureblood. It's your
medulla. Okay. Dred Scott 25,333

1671
01:50:38,670 --> 01:50:42,480
sets. I should cast thematic is
not a chick. I know this.

1672
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,550
Through good authority.
transcripts. Regarding

1673
01:50:47,550 --> 01:50:50,370
transcripts, I have a condition
called auditory processing

1674
01:50:50,370 --> 01:50:54,630
disorder. APD. There are many
times I need the transcripts to

1675
01:50:54,630 --> 01:50:58,260
help me process what I'm
hearing. They're very helpful. I

1676
01:50:58,260 --> 01:51:02,490
always, I also always watch TV
with captions on. Oh, okay.

1677
01:51:02,490 --> 01:51:05,640
That's interesting. Add chapter
images to transcripts, and my

1678
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,970
brain is fully engaged in the
podcast. Thanks, everyone.

1679
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:12,660
Thanks, everyone, for
incorporating transcripts.

1680
01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:17,490
Auditory Processing Disorder is
it's not new, but it has

1681
01:51:17,490 --> 01:51:21,480
increased significantly in the
past five or 10. Five years,

1682
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,900
we've done a lot of research on
this for the no agenda show is I

1683
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:31,080
noticed that many people of
millennial age use captions are

1684
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:36,030
all the time on any video.
They're watching movies, TV

1685
01:51:36,030 --> 01:51:40,410
shows, even YouTube videos. And
I started questioning this. And

1686
01:51:40,410 --> 01:51:45,180
one of the or the main issue is
because of a number of reasons,

1687
01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:48,990
mainly distraction, people no
longer comprehending as well as

1688
01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:54,300
it's kind of a brain. So I don't
want to categorize anything drag

1689
01:51:54,300 --> 01:51:59,490
mine have is I have no, no
business categorizing it, but it

1690
01:51:59,490 --> 01:52:03,240
is a real thing. And your brain
is not processing as well as it

1691
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:08,340
possibly could. And I have a
hearing. I'm a victim of hearing

1692
01:52:08,340 --> 01:52:12,150
disability, I gotta say, right.
And even though I have hearing

1693
01:52:12,150 --> 01:52:16,350
aids, I find that the mix
typically done on many movies

1694
01:52:16,350 --> 01:52:20,070
today are done for 5.1 Dolby,
or, you know, some kind of home

1695
01:52:20,070 --> 01:52:23,070
theater setup they in you know,
so I'm missing the middle

1696
01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:27,630
channel. And even Tina who has
perfect hearing, he's like,

1697
01:52:27,630 --> 01:52:30,510
let's just turn on the captions
is just so it's just that much

1698
01:52:30,510 --> 01:52:34,980
easier. Okay, so that's, I think
a lot of people benefit from

1699
01:52:34,980 --> 01:52:39,000
that. And the thing that I I
still don't understand why I'm

1700
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:44,010
the only one ever talking about
it is so we're talking about um,

1701
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:49,650
yeah, the you mentioned my son
driving off in his motorcycle,

1702
01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:53,580
you know, a long time ago on the
show. This is something that is

1703
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:57,300
completely searchable in a
transcript and you click on the

1704
01:52:57,300 --> 01:53:00,270
link the timecode and it starts
playing right from that link.

1705
01:53:00,270 --> 01:53:03,930
This is a very valuable research
accessory,

1706
01:53:04,350 --> 01:53:07,140
extremely valuable that would
enable the Brookings Institute

1707
01:53:07,140 --> 01:53:08,670
to write articles much faster.

1708
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:11,640
They could even automate it with
some AI

1709
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,620
would you say that you are not a
victim of auditory auditory

1710
01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:20,490
problems you are a person
experiencing sound lessness

1711
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:21,180
Correct.

1712
01:53:22,290 --> 01:53:22,890
Thank you

1713
01:53:25,230 --> 01:53:29,490
see, lood gave us 10 sets and he
says forgive me for the meager

1714
01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:32,880
set donation pot father and pots
age. But I would like to offer

1715
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,150
my services in recording any of
the white papers, facts or blog

1716
01:53:36,150 --> 01:53:40,050
posts in audio form as a time
donation you can reach me at

1717
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,680
email if you'd like to Grace me
with this great honor go

1718
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:44,520
podcasting

1719
01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:49,260
Wait a minute go podcast. Is he
suggesting that the exact

1720
01:53:49,290 --> 01:53:52,200
opposite what we're just talking
about? It will be creating audio

1721
01:53:52,230 --> 01:53:56,550
out of documentation and papers
we've written

1722
01:53:56,940 --> 01:53:59,910
that I think he's he's
suggesting exactly that. We're

1723
01:53:59,910 --> 01:54:03,600
all in on that man. Go for it.
Yeah, I'm great. Here do this.

1724
01:54:03,930 --> 01:54:10,410
See lewd? Every time I post a
blog post, which I plan to post

1725
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:13,350
many more on a more frequent
basis when my son's not trying

1726
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:18,300
to kill himself. When when I do
that, just record it and send it

1727
01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:21,300
to me and then I'll put it on
the substack little podcast.

1728
01:54:21,690 --> 01:54:23,370
There you go. Yeah.

1729
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,900
Thank you. Thanks for that
offer. Let's see who we got. Oh,

1730
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:33,300
Roy, from breeze 54,321 SATs.

1731
01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:36,000
Yeah, how you doing booster
nice.

1732
01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:43,590
He says bitcoin is the real
fucking money. But but he's not

1733
01:54:43,590 --> 01:54:49,110
done. Oh, okay. Has he in
another 54,301 Holy

1734
01:54:49,110 --> 01:54:52,260
press. Oh, man. Don't just stand
there. Boost.

1735
01:54:52,680 --> 01:55:01,710
And he says I love Adam. It was
Two together is almost a buzzer

1736
01:55:01,710 --> 01:55:02,640
baller boost

1737
01:55:03,180 --> 01:55:04,950
that's your right all

1738
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:09,510
right shot caller 20 is blades
on I am Paula. That's such a

1739
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:09,720
good

1740
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,300
time hanging out with him for
the short time it was at the

1741
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:13,680
Bitcoin Conference.

1742
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:17,760
When you get ready to come off
to come off the pocket with

1743
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,850
108,000 SATs you do it you
better be proud of yourself.

1744
01:55:22,980 --> 01:55:26,040
Well remember he says he loves
me. That's right. And he knows

1745
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:30,180
and he knows no love money back
so he knows. Thank you.

1746
01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:38,910
Love go up 1611 SATs, another
from see lewd. He says Wait,

1747
01:55:39,420 --> 01:55:41,940
let's see say greetings but
father and pause stage my last

1748
01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:44,310
Mr. Graham shouldn't have gone
through so I'll send this one.

1749
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,380
Wait. So is he rescinding his
offer?

1750
01:55:47,670 --> 01:55:52,050
I don't know. There's no take
backs and booster grams.

1751
01:55:52,140 --> 01:55:55,560
No take back seat. I'll be happy
to record in audio form whatever

1752
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:59,700
manifesto white paper or blog
post you'd like promoted to the

1753
01:55:59,700 --> 01:56:03,900
podcasting standards. manifestos
we don't have enough men if

1754
01:56:03,900 --> 01:56:06,060
I'm writing the man, if I'm
reading the manifesto, I'm

1755
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:07,920
writing the value for value
manifesto.

1756
01:56:08,190 --> 01:56:10,950
Oh, that's right. Yeah, we
don't. It's got to be called

1757
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:11,190
that

1758
01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:14,220
value for value. Festo, of
course,

1759
01:56:15,390 --> 01:56:16,320
by Adam Clarke.

1760
01:56:17,700 --> 01:56:19,920
Gotta have the three names in
there to make sure they know

1761
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,420
that. It's time to get me.

1762
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:23,940
Yeah, that way when you run off
in the woods in North Carolina,

1763
01:56:23,940 --> 01:56:27,630
they can we can properly find
you. Right. That's right. Nomad,

1764
01:56:27,630 --> 01:56:30,690
Joe 2000 says through fountain
and he says boosted

1765
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,780
boosted and D fat streams. Thank
you.

1766
01:56:34,530 --> 01:56:38,670
Brian of London Sir Brian of
London and the hive Dao through

1767
01:56:38,670 --> 01:56:42,090
the value for value app Rube
Goldberg machine he says weekly

1768
01:56:42,090 --> 01:56:45,420
$10 V for V donation converted
to SAS from Brian of London and

1769
01:56:45,420 --> 01:56:47,970
the hive DHF da o go podcast.

1770
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:54,090
Podcast. Not Did I understand
that Brian? Is is out of the

1771
01:56:54,090 --> 01:56:58,380
country on vacation for a week.
What he's doing now he's sailing

1772
01:56:58,380 --> 01:57:01,740
a boat. Right? He isn't he
sailing a boat back from

1773
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:06,450
somewhere like, like a yacht
boat? Like a like a proper boat?

1774
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,140
Oh, I don't know. But I hope so.
Because that's really cool.

1775
01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:13,500
I think he's done it before. But
what was interesting is I saw

1776
01:57:13,500 --> 01:57:16,650
him making all these
preparations. Because that's

1777
01:57:16,650 --> 01:57:21,210
right, his Rube Goldberg
machine. I'm taking I'm taking

1778
01:57:21,900 --> 01:57:28,650
bets right now. I give this
thing 48 hours. Right, Scott? I

1779
01:57:28,650 --> 01:57:32,790
know this because this is Adam.
Brian is Brian is Adam with

1780
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:38,100
coding skills. I know that this
is 48 hours. The thing's gonna

1781
01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:42,540
shit the best. He's gonna have
his parents rebooting his

1782
01:57:42,540 --> 01:57:43,140
laptop.

1783
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:50,070
He's not even to the marina and
it's cray cray.

1784
01:57:50,070 --> 01:57:50,850
Love you, Brian.

1785
01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:56,190
Yes, absolutely. Chris. This is
Chris from Jupiter broadcasting.

1786
01:57:56,700 --> 01:58:02,310
Chris Fisher gave us 2000 SATs a
fountain. He says Adam great job

1787
01:58:02,310 --> 01:58:05,070
spreading the podcast and 2.0
message on the what Bitcoin did

1788
01:58:05,070 --> 01:58:08,580
show one of your more concise
and compelling summaries yet I

1789
01:58:08,580 --> 01:58:11,220
clipped it to help others spread
the word and he has the link

1790
01:58:11,220 --> 01:58:13,170
here. He says PS Dave rocks.

1791
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:20,160
Thanks. That was good. That's
Peter Peter McCormick. What big

1792
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:25,200
Bitcoin did I really enjoy Peter
because we have very different

1793
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,820
political views, very different
views on on medical, health,

1794
01:58:29,820 --> 01:58:36,540
etc. But it for my money typical
Bitcoin or fashion, we have a

1795
01:58:36,540 --> 01:58:43,770
common understanding a common
common interest common in a way

1796
01:58:43,770 --> 01:58:46,140
common life view even though we
come from very different

1797
01:58:46,530 --> 01:58:50,070
perspectives, and it's always so
enjoyable to speak with him

1798
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:51,450
whether we're recording or not.

1799
01:58:51,929 --> 01:58:54,359
I would almost call it a
consensus.

1800
01:58:55,349 --> 01:58:59,489
I call just being human civil
civility is what I call it, you

1801
01:58:59,489 --> 01:59:03,299
know, catching but I was looking
at the tweets, comments in

1802
01:59:03,299 --> 01:59:06,419
between most of them. When he
posted the show. Most of them

1803
01:59:06,419 --> 01:59:09,719
were positive. But then one of
them was like, This guy says

1804
01:59:09,719 --> 01:59:14,519
crazy stuff. I can't believe
Peter didn't push back

1805
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:17,400
and like push back. But that's
the point.

1806
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,830
You don't have to argue with
everybody. He said no, I don't

1807
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:21,030
agree with that. Okay, done.

1808
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:27,420
Did you point them to your new
cattle in the enterprise? Like

1809
01:59:27,450 --> 01:59:28,890
my cattle enterprise?

1810
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,400
Yeah, you remember that lady
from Vice or whatever, not vice

1811
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:36,930
but the delay that read the
article from Daily Beast said

1812
01:59:36,930 --> 01:59:40,470
that you were pimping your
Cattle Company?

1813
01:59:40,500 --> 01:59:46,200
Oh, yeah. That's right. Someone
posted it was a review of of

1814
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:50,850
Bitcoin 22 days Adam curry
pimping his new cattle, his new

1815
01:59:50,850 --> 01:59:52,920
cattle venture? No.

1816
01:59:53,340 --> 01:59:56,070
The one that said that everybody
in the Bitcoin world are crazy

1817
01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:57,570
psychopaths that want to kill
each other.

1818
01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,850
Yeah, that's the Yeah, that's
the one that's the article.

1819
01:59:59,850 --> 02:00:00,330
Yeah. US,

1820
02:00:01,410 --> 02:00:07,050
Scott SC OTT gave us 20,420 SATs
to be a breeze, thank you. And

1821
02:00:07,050 --> 02:00:09,840
he says, I missed a couple of
weeks of boosting, I'm tried to

1822
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,210
send through the fountain app
twice now and it failed.

1823
02:00:13,710 --> 02:00:16,500
You know, when, when this
happens, if you get a fail, it

1824
02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:18,960
will be really helpful if you
post out if you're emailing it,

1825
02:00:19,230 --> 02:00:22,230
what app you use, and what
exactly failed, maybe you can

1826
02:00:22,230 --> 02:00:26,610
make a screenshot if it was all
payment, one payment, it would

1827
02:00:26,610 --> 02:00:28,620
be handy to have a little more
info on that.

1828
02:00:29,010 --> 02:00:33,150
Would it be fair to say that a
lot of times it's your node

1829
02:00:33,690 --> 02:00:36,120
that's failing because it tends
to go up and down,

1830
02:00:36,270 --> 02:00:40,260
I would say there's a high
correlation between fails. And

1831
02:00:40,290 --> 02:00:43,650
and mind, which is really just a
monitor node. You know, it's,

1832
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:51,030
it's a 1%. And it's a piece of
crap. To this piece of crap.

1833
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:56,910
It's it's a surface laptop that
has Ubuntu on it, fresh,

1834
02:00:56,910 --> 02:01:03,000
complete native install with an
external, one terabyte drive,

1835
02:01:03,300 --> 02:01:07,200
and I'm running Umbral on it.
And interestingly enough torch

1836
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:11,910
and yes, and interestingly
enough, it I was able to

1837
02:01:11,910 --> 02:01:15,120
reproduce when it craps out.
First of all, I have to be out

1838
02:01:15,120 --> 02:01:17,640
of town or out of the country.
That's, that's the only way he

1839
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:22,680
can reproduce it crashing out
with no possibility of SSH in

1840
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:24,000
because it's just locked up.

1841
02:01:24,330 --> 02:01:27,600
When troubleshooting very
difficult when the

1842
02:01:27,660 --> 02:01:32,610
software update clicks, it would
pop open the Software Update

1843
02:01:32,610 --> 02:01:36,510
dialog box. And that would
always break it. So I just

1844
02:01:36,510 --> 02:01:39,930
disabled that thing from
checking and alerting. And we'll

1845
02:01:39,930 --> 02:01:42,360
see how well it does. Yeah, it
was I don't know why it did

1846
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:46,410
that. But you know, it's also I
know, I'm bad, but it's also

1847
02:01:46,410 --> 02:01:50,820
connected through Wi Fi not
through Ethernet. So it's it's

1848
02:01:50,820 --> 02:01:55,140
really beneath me to have this
gear running. In fact, I have no

1849
02:01:55,140 --> 02:01:56,790
business criticizing Brian.

1850
02:01:57,780 --> 02:02:01,050
The the computer only crashes

1851
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:01,920
when you're out of

1852
02:02:02,849 --> 02:02:08,789
powers when the power is on. So
just the delimiter comic strip

1853
02:02:08,789 --> 02:02:12,989
blogger Ooh, already three sets
Yeah, cast ematic he says Howdy,

1854
02:02:12,989 --> 02:02:15,599
David. Adam, I wish you Happy
Easter and your listeners are

1855
02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:19,619
warmly invited to hear voice of
cherub as DC girl calls him.

1856
02:02:19,829 --> 02:02:23,129
Gregory William Forsythe Foreman
from Kent and a podcast about

1857
02:02:23,129 --> 02:02:27,299
artificial intelligence AI dot
cooking. Stay safe with Jesus

1858
02:02:27,299 --> 02:02:29,069
yo. Okay.

1859
02:02:33,810 --> 02:02:39,660
Thanks CSB report man how?
Commerce your blogger how's the

1860
02:02:39,660 --> 02:02:40,380
show doing?

1861
02:02:41,490 --> 02:02:42,210
Stats?

1862
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:46,170
Is that thing value for value? I
don't I don't even remember ever

1863
02:02:46,650 --> 02:02:47,910
checking that actually.

1864
02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:50,850
Oh, no, no, no, we need we need
an update.

1865
02:02:50,910 --> 02:02:54,540
I would like to know how it's
going with the show. I mean, is

1866
02:02:54,540 --> 02:02:59,280
this blatant promotion you do on
every podcast that I know about?

1867
02:02:59,310 --> 02:03:04,320
Is it working? Yeah. Are we
driving traffic to or are we

1868
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,870
helping grow your show? Grow
your show?

1869
02:03:09,090 --> 02:03:12,960
Monthly contributors? Get a lot
of them because it's two weeks

1870
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:16,800
worth here. We got Keith Gibson
$50 Thank you, Keith. Longtime.

1871
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,940
Thank you. Yeah, longtime
supporter, Dwayne Goldy, another

1872
02:03:20,940 --> 02:03:27,420
longtime supporter $8. Paul air
skin $11.14 always this the fun

1873
02:03:27,420 --> 02:03:29,280
with that adds up to something
at the end of the year that I

1874
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:35,760
don't remember. Michael Gagan $5
Charles current $5 savaria Vash

1875
02:03:35,820 --> 02:03:41,910
$5 David Wood would find $3
Timothy Hudgins my buddy $25

1876
02:03:42,210 --> 02:03:47,610
Jeremy Garrett's $5 Paul
Saltzman $22.22 roadex

1877
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:52,110
Paul Paul has been supporting
this from day one. He has he's,

1878
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,290
I've known I think I've known
him for 30 years.

1879
02:03:55,800 --> 02:04:00,000
Really? Yeah, it's been that
long. Yeah. Damon Castle, Jack

1880
02:04:00,330 --> 02:04:06,540
$15 Derek Vickery. This $21
David Norman $25 Thank you,

1881
02:04:06,540 --> 02:04:12,300
David. Jeremy, Kevin, all $10
Jeffrey Rutherford $5 Chris

1882
02:04:12,300 --> 02:04:20,250
Cowan $5 Alice gates, sir Alice
gates $25 Carrie Keller, $5 CR

1883
02:04:20,250 --> 02:04:24,630
and Miller $5. And Thomas
Sullivan, Jr. $5.

1884
02:04:24,660 --> 02:04:28,140
What a beautiful group. Thank
you all very much for supporting

1885
02:04:28,170 --> 02:04:33,360
podcasting. 2.0 the entire
project following the rules of

1886
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,570
the good Brookings Institution,
we are very transparent about

1887
02:04:36,570 --> 02:04:39,780
what's coming from where, and
we're proud of that. And we're

1888
02:04:39,780 --> 02:04:44,310
proud we're proud of it. And
where it's going as well, I

1889
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:46,950
mean, this is this goes straight
into liquidity on by the way, I

1890
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:51,600
did drop the fees on podcast
index. Now cool. We no longer

1891
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:58,320
have the, the 10 million Satoshi
slashers. So, so the it's

1892
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:03,390
succeeded. It's slow that
download, I still have it quite

1893
02:05:03,390 --> 02:05:11,070
high compared to many out of the
box. So we're at 0.01% with with

1894
02:05:11,070 --> 02:05:16,440
a zero base fee. And that seems
to everything seems to be

1895
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:20,070
reasonably balanced, although we
also did have. And this is a

1896
02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:25,110
known lightning lnd bug, which
has just been there ever since

1897
02:05:25,110 --> 02:05:28,680
I've been looking at it, you get
spontaneous channel closures.

1898
02:05:29,010 --> 02:05:33,600
And when Alan pay closes, now,
which happened everything break,

1899
02:05:33,630 --> 02:05:39,540
actually it was it was between I
think it was we have a channel

1900
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:47,640
with the fountain, sis, they
have a private LM pay system.

1901
02:05:48,450 --> 02:05:52,230
And we have a channel with them
that one closed. And so even

1902
02:05:52,230 --> 02:05:55,110
though there's other routes when
something like that happens, the

1903
02:05:55,110 --> 02:05:58,980
whole network has to kind of
reconfigure and routes have to

1904
02:05:58,980 --> 02:06:02,910
be recalculated, graphs have to
be updated. So especially a big

1905
02:06:02,910 --> 02:06:06,000
channel like that, because we
have I think 10 million SATs

1906
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,530
with the with LM pay.

1907
02:06:08,460 --> 02:06:10,620
I can always tell when something
like that happens, because all

1908
02:06:10,620 --> 02:06:13,230
sudden payments still go through
a lot of times, but they get

1909
02:06:13,230 --> 02:06:13,980
real slow.

1910
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:19,020
Yes, my house actually tilted. I
always know when the big

1911
02:06:19,020 --> 02:06:28,110
channels closed. Whoa. Whoa, it
was that. And again, you know,

1912
02:06:28,110 --> 02:06:30,870
I'm very excited about all the
developments we're learning

1913
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:35,220
voltage with the solution was a
little undefined, although they

1914
02:06:35,220 --> 02:06:39,180
do have some good marketing out
there on the on the website. And

1915
02:06:39,180 --> 02:06:44,070
of course, the the C lightning
or the calling is a calling it

1916
02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:48,330
core lightning now or at core,
or C or they call it CLN. Things

1917
02:06:48,330 --> 02:06:54,480
are calling CLN CLN. Yeah. With
you know, with the basically

1918
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,110
spin it up, you're good to go.
And you own the keys. Now, of

1919
02:06:58,110 --> 02:07:01,380
course cloud stuff can go down
can be destroyed, but you have

1920
02:07:01,380 --> 02:07:03,330
the keys. So that's the beauty.

1921
02:07:03,929 --> 02:07:12,179
Kevin rook on his show where he
interviewed Lisa. Nick nylgut,

1922
02:07:12,269 --> 02:07:17,309
Nick Africa, don't pronounce her
last name. Maybe she's one of

1923
02:07:17,309 --> 02:07:18,899
the core developers on the core.

1924
02:07:19,050 --> 02:07:22,710
Oh, yeah. I did hear that. Yes.
Oh, yeah. You sent that to me.

1925
02:07:22,830 --> 02:07:27,570
Fantastic interview. It was
really good. She, but the only

1926
02:07:27,570 --> 02:07:33,180
problem is, yeah, she's one of
these who say a lot of etc. And

1927
02:07:33,180 --> 02:07:36,750
right. But I was able to listen
through it.

1928
02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:41,700
Me too. I did. I forced my way
through it. And it was really

1929
02:07:41,700 --> 02:07:46,590
she has very good information, a
lot of a lot of sort of inside

1930
02:07:46,590 --> 02:07:49,140
insight into what's going on
with the different lightning

1931
02:07:49,140 --> 02:07:51,570
implementations and why they do
what they do.

1932
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:54,060
Especially, she has some
interesting things to say about

1933
02:07:54,060 --> 02:07:58,890
lightning labs. Yes, yes. Yeah.
And I want to tell her because

1934
02:07:59,130 --> 02:08:03,090
that sounded harsh what I just
said, but I've done this with my

1935
02:08:03,090 --> 02:08:07,290
podcast partners. Certain Jhansi
Dvorak, we call each other on

1936
02:08:07,290 --> 02:08:10,920
the air for it, because it's
very easy to slip into these

1937
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:15,450
things. And you wind up saying
real and it's stopwords you

1938
02:08:15,450 --> 02:08:21,450
know, stuff, the stuff you think
about? It's contagious. So if

1939
02:08:21,450 --> 02:08:25,710
she would listen to her use of
certain words, she would be more

1940
02:08:25,710 --> 02:08:28,860
conscious of it and would be
better because she has great

1941
02:08:28,860 --> 02:08:32,070
information. It's just at a
certain point, calm I think we

1942
02:08:32,070 --> 02:08:35,970
texted like, oh my god, I have
to get past this part. Yeah, was

1943
02:08:35,970 --> 02:08:37,020
really good, though.

1944
02:08:37,530 --> 02:08:40,440
I do it too. And um, I hear
myself as well. The reason why I

1945
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:44,700
listened back to the show to our
episodes is because I found out

1946
02:08:44,730 --> 02:08:50,250
last week that I did I used the
phrase, all that jazz about 20

1947
02:08:50,250 --> 02:08:55,800
times over over shows. Yeah. So
I'm like, okay, that one's gonna

1948
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:56,760
stop. It's interesting.

1949
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:01,890
I didn't catch it. So it didn't
know honestly interesting. But

1950
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:09,240
the divorce recognize stuff like
ya know, in my opinion, I think

1951
02:09:10,140 --> 02:09:13,020
fact of the matter day at the
end of the day, all of this

1952
02:09:13,020 --> 02:09:17,940
stuff Yeah. So we get better we
get better as we go along. But

1953
02:09:17,940 --> 02:09:21,120
yeah, that's a Kevin Brooks show
was pretty popular.

1954
02:09:21,660 --> 02:09:24,390
It's really good. And he's got
good he's got good information

1955
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:28,770
on there. I think he lets people
talk. It's it's a top notch

1956
02:09:28,770 --> 02:09:29,490
show. Give it a listen.

1957
02:09:29,580 --> 02:09:34,050
That and Linux unplugged is kind
of my new jam. I got sucked into

1958
02:09:34,050 --> 02:09:36,930
it because they're doing a lot
of booster grams. And then I'm

1959
02:09:36,930 --> 02:09:41,070
listening to it. I got to ask
those guys a question. I should

1960
02:09:41,070 --> 02:09:41,760
boost it to him.

1961
02:09:42,570 --> 02:09:45,510
Well, Chris listens to you
should listen. You can ask it

1962
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:45,930
right now.

1963
02:09:45,990 --> 02:09:51,120
Well, they're always testing out
new Linux installs. That's a lot

1964
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of what they do or Linux
upgrades and distros and I'm

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wondering, does anyone have it?
So I have I am running Linux

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Mint. as my daily driver now if
I wanted to migrate, I'd be in

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trouble. I mean, I have stuff
installed I should have some PHP

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version. What are these guys do
they have one laptop is really

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their laptop and they use and
they don't mess with it and they

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have another Junker that they
change all the time. Or is there

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a simple way to move your
environment over in the in the

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in the Linux environment where
you move a lot of stuff over or

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just wind up reinstalling
everything

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a lot of it is included Allah
Allah let them and change the

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data files. Yeah, and then add
files in your home directory. So

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you can you can bring it over
like Mutt and Stuff like that.

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Oh, yeah.

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That my bash profile mutt? Yeah,
that that part always works. But

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it's, it's always the the things
that Nevermind, it's me. I'm a

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hack. I'll put this in slash
user slash s bin. I move this

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over here that talks to this pa
Yeah. Not to me as me. Okay.

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Now this stuff. Sorry. All
right. I got I'm up against a

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deadline, gotta

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medication deadline. Just wanted
to well, maybe these for the

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next show. maps.fm These guys
are back on the radar. We need

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to figure out how we Yeah, they
sent an email. Okay, we need to

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figure out how we incorporate
them because I'm feeling like

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we're missing a huge opportunity
mapping not in geolocation, not

1989
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really my my forte, but I have
it on the list. Talk about it

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next next week. And then Oh,
yeah. Focus right days coming

1991
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out with a podcast on one box.
After Gosh, how many do we have

1992
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now? Three. I've tested three or
four.

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Yeah, we're still waiting for
the for the the namesake. We're

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still waiting for your namesake.

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Yes. Good luck with that. That's
a long way off. Dave Jackson is

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the guy who's he's Dave Jackson
School of Paki sending this over

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to me. He's like, Yeah, you go
talk to Adam. You got a new box

1998
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coming out to the market and Guy
contacts me. He's like, hey, you

1999
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know, are you interested in
this? I send you one, you can

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02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:13,410
test it out. And I'm now you
know, why don't you send me the

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02:12:13,410 --> 02:12:18,090
specs. So I can see I don't want
to waste your time. And then

2002
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they send over an NDA. And it's
like, oh, and I'm like, man. And

2003
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:29,280
so and I was about to kind of
say, Ahmed, I there's too much

2004
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:32,070
in here without prejudice and
all these terms. I'm not quite

2005
02:12:32,070 --> 02:12:34,560
sure I don't want to get it. I
don't want you to be in trouble.

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02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:37,020
I don't want to be in trouble.
And then he sends me the top

2007
02:12:37,020 --> 02:12:41,040
level specs and there it is.
loopback devices. So I said, Oh

2008
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,290
man, I appreciate it. Now you
don't have to send me anything

2009
02:12:43,290 --> 02:12:47,100
because this is for gamers. This
was not developed for podcasters

2010
02:12:48,210 --> 02:12:51,330
if you ever want some free
advice, I'd be happy to talk to

2011
02:12:51,330 --> 02:12:51,780
anybody.

2012
02:12:52,350 --> 02:12:55,500
That's that's the new term that
we learned from our mutual

2013
02:12:55,500 --> 02:12:59,220
friend. Don't send me the NDA
send me the friend da friend.

2014
02:13:00,030 --> 02:13:04,830
Exactly. All right, I'm off to
to New York but I'll be back for

2015
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for the next board meeting. And
it travels brother thank you man

2016
02:13:09,930 --> 02:13:15,030
and give your son a big hug when
we're all praying for him. We

2017
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:18,060
know we know he's out of the
woods but still you know it's a

2018
02:13:18,090 --> 02:13:21,060
it's a rehabilitation is going
to suck ass.

2019
02:13:21,450 --> 02:13:23,610
No, it's going to be terrible
but he can't get away from me

2020
02:13:23,610 --> 02:13:25,920
now I got full control over and
that

2021
02:13:25,950 --> 02:13:29,040
and give him some flying
lessons. Keep them off of all

2022
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:33,120
two wheel. It's much safer, much
safer to take flying lessons.

2023
02:13:33,420 --> 02:13:35,730
Alright brother Good to have you
back man. So happy everything's

2024
02:13:35,730 --> 02:13:38,880
okay. And Imola. We'll be
talking next week. Have a great

2025
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weekend.

2026
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Don't miss a safe travels.

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Everybody there in podcast
development land. Thank you very

2028
02:13:45,030 --> 02:13:47,070
much for attending the board
meeting. We'll be back next week

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