podcasting 2.0 for March 25 2022, episode 79 users and
developers partying together Hello, everybody. Welcome to the
official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything
happening in podcast index.org, the podcast namespace, and of
course, podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in
the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man
who can redirect anything to the correct destination, my friend
on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Barely got that title in. I mean, you had to work at it. Get
it in under the head.
But I did it. I did it. I hit the postman. Your break?
He squeezed it right. No, you're a pro. You squeezed it right in
there. Like she shot the gap.
Just a shot. But yeah.
I mean, you're, you're an old D, you know, experienced DJ, so you
know how to shoot the gap
was called hitting the post shooting the gap is a term I've,
although I will use it from now on
gap juice.
Good gap juice. Yes, indeed. And we are live. Right now. You're
using a 2.0 app that understands the brand new lived. What do we
call this?
The live item tag? Yeah, but that's not
a very sexy marketing term. I'm thinking you know, something
that people were grabbed onto like, podcast live or? What?
Huh? We need to come up with something. It needs to be called
something. Not not the live pod. LIVE TAG
live item. The live. Open angle bracket.
Well, hold on a second. You know what live item tag is a great
acronym.
For what lit?
Show? It's podcast with baby. It's live items. I'm writing
that one down.
I got to work on that genius.
item tag. Live. Yeah, you're lit. Baby. You're lit.
In when you when somebody implements the live item that no
show is lit.
Yes, exactly. And you know, live is the whole thing. I think it
works. I think it works.
And I'm where I'm with you. And what two things I've discovered
this week.
Okay. It was pretty slow week, actually.
Yes. I discovered two things that are very important. Number
one. Comments make people angry. systems make people angry. And
cryptocurrency makes people angry. Yes. So when you marry
the two together, it's it's a beautiful development.
It is. Well, I don't think angry is the right term.
I wish it was a little bit I was triggered. You Oh, you are true.
Yeah,
I was triggered. I personally was like a hairpin on a 50 Cal
baby, I was triggered.
Due to you talking gun told now that you're in Texas,
too. You know, I've learned a lot through therapy. This is
what three marriages will do. You know, it's like you go to
therapy, and you learn a lot of stuff. And you've learned mainly
about yourself. And what I've learned is that it's much more
useful to find out why I'm responding to something the way
I am then issue itself. Because then from there, everything kind
of flows. Makes sense? Yeah, yeah. And so do you mind if I,
if I go down the path of of my process?
No, please. Do you have the floor? Yes.
Maybe we should explain what this is about before I before I
jump into it. Could you give us the timeline? From your
viewpoint? Because mine I'm sure is slanted.
And we're talking here about the come about the commenting. Draw
drama that unfolded? It will I'll let me say it this way.
First, let me preface it with this. I will say in past open
source projects that I've been involved in. And I've been
involved in a few. The typical way this goes down is somebody
has a disagreement with the way things should be implemented or
designed. Another person responds to that to that
disagreement. The vehemently with their own an alternate take
a flame war ensues. And then everybody gets pissed off and
leaves and forks the project. That's typically that is
typically the experience that happens and you can look at
every open source project. And know maybe not everyone but lots
and lots of them. Next things like next Cloud, at some point,
people always get pissed off and want to fork and leave. In fact,
you act,
I was just gonna say you and I have both been involved with my
dog is just barking for a second have both been involved in in
projects where the person running the project literally
would shut down the server and then you know, close the mail
list not talking anybody far away go here for a week without
any notice. Just like what what happened, it just all sudden,
the server's gone.
This, the fact that this project has not even come close to that
shows me the health of things overall. So these things do not
bother me. Because robust public debate and disagreement. There's
nothing wrong with that whatsoever. You know, if it
does, those are necessary. And it's necessary sometimes for
people to get angry. And because when when people get angry about
stuff, typically what that means to me is that you need to stop
what you're doing and listen. Yeah, it doesn't mean you're
wrong. It doesn't that that's that has to be clear, it does
not mean that what just because that the angriest person is
right. It just means that when so when what you're saying is
pissing somebody off that bad, it's a good sign that you
probably need to chill out for a minute, and listen to what
they're saying and come back with a different approach. And
ultimately, if you can't find agreement, that's fine. You
just, you know, you just disagree. In in the world moves
on. But it this is all regarding calm cross app comments. And
specifically lightning comments. And how lightning comments get
implemented with relation to booster grams. Are they the same
thing? Can you mix and match the two? It's sort of created this
firestorm of where's the source of truth? Who's you know, do
people expect things to be public? And that's kind of where
this sort of shit show happened?
I think you're you kind of nailed that. And it was, to me
it was I was triggered because it came as a surprise. I didn't
really understand what was happening. But let me just go
through what because there's a lot more to this than just
comments. So podcasting is my life's work. So I'm gonna say
I'm admittedly emotional about it. And in value for value is
also something that's very near and dear to my heart, having
developed it with with Dvorak. So what I see are, the issue is
really bigger. It's about process. It's about the
podcasting. 2.0 movement. It's how things work. Do we follow
any guidelines? Do we work together? You know, we we
actually used a lot from podcasting. 1.0 When we started
this project, Dave rules for standards makers was one which,
which Dave Winer developed. And there was another one, another
mantra of podcasting. 1.0 and, and just kind of came back to
me, as I'm trying to figure out, you know, why am I so? Why do I
have such a visceral response, or what you might call grumpy is
the mantra at the time was users and developers partying
together. And by that we meant all users, so listeners and
podcasters but really, at the time, it was just podcasters
podcasters were making we were listening to each other's
podcasts. And it's very analogous to what's happening
now with with podcasting, 2.0, certainly with with booster
grams, etc. So it was a little circular, and it just kind of
grew and grew and grew from there. But the users and
developers partying together part was key, particularly the
podcasters and the developers. That's why I think it works. So
well. Remember, when I when I went to Dave Winer as a content
creator as a podcaster, who had you know, who could, you know,
write, print, you know, and I had to convince him It took me
two days to convince him to create this because I knew how
it could be used. And you
have to understand what what it may what it looks like to try to
convince Dave Weiner or something. It's a it's a
perilous endeavor is not not for the faint of heart knows he is
going to let you know exactly what he thinks about your shitty
idea.
I flew to New York to convince him I mean, I did it wasn't just
flew to New York and I went back the next day and and then you
know, when I showed him what I meant, in in his ratio, user
land frontier code, it was it was a mess. And you know, so it
took some work, but And we clearly never were friends. And
we've had all kinds of issues. But the partying together part
we got right. And so I think that was the key to our early
success. And if you think about it in the in the lit of history
here, the podcasters are a valuable part of the equation.
And we don't have a lot of that really in our development
process. And as you said, Dave, we all have to listen. So let's
just go through some history, the early days, when we were
bootstrapping, it wasn't just RSS, RSS had been around for a
long time. There were no apps to speak of what bootstrapped
podcasting was the daily source code, and more. But the daily
source code, while I was creating and using the features,
at the same time to content was bootstrapping this process. And
it was very close circle, because the developers who were
working on iPod or X and iPod or lemon and all these different
apps, which, you know, of course, were applications at the
time. They were a part of the programming is what they were
doing was in the show. Here, this is why we're doing this
show. So I'll fast forward a whole bunch.
But is the daily source code of podcasting? 2.0 that's yes,
that's that's in view. And I just, we launched the show as
such, the whole idea was to replicate the successful
formula. So then I'll fast forward. I meet with jobs, and
we're gonna, and he's gonna put podcasting into iTunes. Now,
there are two things that I didn't contemplate there was,
I've only talked about one. But now I realized the other part
here. We made Apple a de facto gateway to podcasting that we I
did. So that wasn't too brilliant, in hindsight, but
also Apple did something very interesting right away. They
created a one click subscription, which was not a
speck. It was just it was their thing was a feature. And that
really made Apple the default for users as well. But it wasn't
really something everybody could do, because you couldn't, it was
unfair advantage because you couldn't put an overcast what
you can today, 20 years later, you couldn't put an overcast
Chiclet on there and have one click subscribe and overcast. It
was always going to go to the Apple podcast app. But what
really drove podcasting, which was a disappointment for the Oh,
geez, at the time, was Apple put the BBC and NPR and all this,
this really this great wealth of content right there on the
homepage, because Steve Jobs knew that he needed to sell this
to his customers. And if it was just Dawn and Drew, who I adore,
and maj Weinstein and the daily source code where I'm cussing
away, it would it would detract it would not be for his core
customer necessarily. And having this the content that is
highbrow drove that to an extreme again, the content drove
it yes, they had the the technology to play with but the
content drove that. Then we had YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and
podcasting was just kind of you know, was little quiet, little
stagnant, no features, nothing happens. What brought podcasting
back? Was it a new app? Was it a new feature? No, it was Serial
podcast, and specifically podcasters are valuable. Joe
Rogan, was worth hundreds of millions of dollars to Spotify
to promote their app. Now, why are apple and Spotify the top
apps, because podcasters are always telling people the same
mantra. Subscribe to us on Apple and Spotify or wherever you get
your podcasts. That's the part we need to change. That's why we
came up with new podcast apps.com. So we can have a
universal place where we can send people and say this is
podcasting. 2.0. Now, if Glenn Beck or Megyn, Kelly just said
use cast ematic you think people would be I think they would
think that I think they'd go and try that app out immediately.
But we've chosen as a group to promote the entire movement. And
the proof is in the pudding. If and if you haven't noticed,
there's a large number of users and that's listeners and
podcasters and people who are both who have sir or Dame in
their name. Where did they come from? Are these just a bunch of
royalty that showed up? No. I told these people who listen to
my podcast to come check out podcasting 2.0 And I've only
promoted the entire concept never one app or service over
another and that's why new podcasts out dot com is so
fantastic to send people to every you know, no matter what
features any of the apps or services support, I know they
will function the same.
But if they're different than what? And what if I went on
Rogan and didn't promote new podcast apps calm or just said,
Hey, breeze, that's podcasting 2.0 or pod verse, would that
help podcasting 2.0 Maybe it to a degree, but it will certainly
help those apps. So we make choices I choose to promote and
work in the entire movement, the movement is in sync in
accordance with the namespace. So now we get to the value block
the value tag, it's called value for a reason. Value for value is
a brand that was built up over a 15 year period on the no agenda
show. It's a monetization model. And it's a content format. At
one, it's like a floor wax in a desert topic. And it has this
feedback loop, you ask, which is the most difficult part for most
people, you ask people to support you, the payments with
messages come in and are read on the show. It's it's content is
an important part of the of the entire format. It's also
inspirational and, and people gamify that in many ways, and
then you remind people and you rinse and repeat and you do it
over again. Now I'm not independently wealthy, I rely on
my podcast as my sole source of income. So I'm going to be
passionate about this stuff. And I think podcasters matter and I
feel a little neglected. And when we continue with the value
for value part, payments and messages, payments and messages
or content specific to the show, producers or listeners take
ownership of that content of that segment. It's valuable to
them since it's going to be on the show. And they are private
between the sender, the payer and the recipient, making
payment and messaging information public without the
podcasters consent to me is like publishing an email that you
were cc.so. These payments and messages are not intended to be
used as a standalone feature for an app, which is how it felt to
me. So now we get to users and developers partying together.
Here's what I'm doing. Because I feel like I am an important part
of the development process. Even though I don't write a lick of
code. I support all the tags that I possibly can Thank you,
Steven, be in South sovereign feed calm. I share my income
with people like Dred Scott, who keep the features exciting and
consistent and do the chapters so we have something to show, I
publish the live schedule tag, even though no app supports it.
No app supports the scheduled time, but I'm still doing it
because I know someone's gonna want to put that in. And then
we'll have something to test against it. For months, I've
been supporting the social interact tag for cross app
comments, I've been promoting this to my listener group
teasing it. And all of a sudden there was a party I wasn't
invited to comments appeared that were not, you know, cross
app comments. But they were being promoted as comments
didn't work with with my comments that I've been
publishing for months, I had lost control. So my content
booster grams from my people were public, my payment and
messaging system. Now I have to sort everything because there's
comments and all kinds of stuff in heli pad that was unexpected.
It's almost like imagine if an app started publishing our Pay
Pal messages. So Brent, for me, we need to realize where success
can come from. If we can get podcasters to say, get a modern
app, whatever, whatever we come up with, if we can send them to
new podcast apps calm, we can all win. If everybody has the
same features than we then we really compete for the same core
workings, I should say, any any other features you have is what
you're ultimately going to win people over with. But if we have
all these different commenting systems, and you know, we have a
pod friend has its own little thing going on. And so, you
know, it's like, why promote a group if the group is not the
same? So let's work together because when you can get
podcasters to promote podcasting 2.0 specifically through new
podcast apps.com Everybody can win. Otherwise, it's just going
to be people promoting certain apps. And I would think that
would that's a big shame.
And And finally, the thing that's really unfortunate is the
value for value brand. is now confused. We've get we were
starting Give it up. Booster grams is a great brand. That's
now. That's now lightning comments. What the fuck? Don't
give that to the Lightning Network, podcasting 2.0 That's
our shit. So don't just give stuff up that easily. There we
go.
That I think, you know, this goes back to a thing that we
that I have had to learn. And I was mentioning this to somebody
this week is that I've had to learn this at this sort of idea
over and over again, is we're in working with you over the last
10 plus years. How many times would I go to you and say, Hey,
this is a killer feature. And I would put it into the freedom
controller, and then find out, you know, and you're like, oh,
cool, I'll check it out. And then I'll find out six months
later that you had never touched it. And then and I start asking
you why. And you say, well, it just doesn't, it just doesn't
fit. It doesn't fit what I do in So explain to me what you do.
And I would realize through your explanation, that that's that
what I thought a podcaster wanted, or what I thought a
podcast prep looked like, was actually nothing like what it
looked like, because I wasn't a podcaster. Right. And so when
you make when you create features in it sounds like we're
just crapping all over. Oscar but not not
No, no, not at all. Not at all. No, this is, hey, we're running
with scissors. But you know, when you when you fall down and
you got to cut in your arm, we got to stop and talk about it.
Let's stop and talking hug. But the
best. I had a friend actually, I got to tell you the story in
Holland when I was growing up, and he and his brother would
always fight. And one time the one brother was chasing the
other one with a pair of scissors. And his mom said, hey,
you know, don't do that. You're going to put an eye out. And
then he put his eye out by accident. The Christmas story
actually happened.
He got it at the red Ryder BB gun.
And he had a Gouki i the rest of his life. Okay, I'm sorry.
Sorry, this was a little comedic interlude.
But anyway, yeah, it's not it's, it's that issue is always going
to be the case. When when you're writing code, and you you're
envisioning something that you're not, that you're that is
not part of your, your normal course of events like you don't
have, like Nat now I can write the freedom controller editor
page 10 times better since I'm podcasting every week. At the
moment, I just couldn't do it. I just didn't have the knowledge
base to work off of. And the thing the thing that was
confusing to me with with caught with the lightning comments, is
that what I thought it was was a was purely comments. And then
maybe that was just me Miss reading the spec. But then when
the VAT when the when it came through, and it's like, okay,
just add an extra thing in your value block. And again, this
could have been just me missing the obvious, put an extra split
in your value block. And then we'll show all the booster grams
as comments. That part didn't come across to me when I read
the spec. And like it was very disorienting to have all of a
sudden, you have your you what what has been built up and what
has come to be like a common language between everybody that
booster Grahams are a thing that is content on a show. And it's
private between a podcast or like a Patreon or PayPal. That
thing when all of a sudden that changes. It's a big deal. Yeah.
And it's a big deal, not for just the podcaster. But for the
listener as well, because I heard from I was talking to
somebody this week, and it just off the cuff. He said to me that
he was not expecting his boost to show up in the comments
because he commented from fountain and right. It was it
was just a disorienting experience that thing. I think
in retrospect it was unfortunate that it happened with him at the
time it did, because comments are already from the very
beginning. We knew they were going to be the most difficult
task It brings in every single problem. It brings in Source of
Truth issues. It brings in moderation issues and politics.
You know, it brings in 10 different messaging systems in
which one to use decentralization. I mean, like,
every complicated thing you can possibly think of is all wrapped
up in this one tag, and
then we threw on top of it booster grams. Yes. And just to
make it easy. Yeah, yeah, that was an overload.
Yeah, it was just too. It was just too much. It was too
unfortunately, I think it there's already been
trepidation. And, and sort of underlying unease within the
project about cross app comments. And then you throw in
the I think the lightning proposal just threw some gas on
that fire that was already there. Just just just, it was
bad timing it really well, if we had, if this had come up four
months ago, it wouldn't have been such a big thing, we would
have talked it out. And it would have not been so closely tied to
all of the other stuff like with well, is, what about, what about
Twitter? Is this stuff going too slow? What do we you know, all
of these other issues that how, if you know, should it be
moderated? Should it be decentralized? I don't want
comments on my way, on my post, or excuse me, on my episode, if
I don't want to, I should be in control, like, this big
discussion was already happening in enlightening comments came in
and it was like, Oh, crap, right. It's off the rails.
Now. Not to say that I'm very excited about the having the
capability to surface booster grams. It's nothing wrong with
that. But a it has to be my call from my feed the source of truth
for my show. And I mean, you we just have to have some agreement
about what apps are doing, or anyone who's taking a split from
the value block. Well, I guess that's not entirely true in this
case, in this case, what if your recipient on a on a message that
doesn't give you which has multiple recipients? It just
doesn't necessarily give anyone the right to publish that
publicly? That's just rude. I mean, I know that wasn't the
intent. Right. But that, but that's truly how it works. I
mean, this is money. That's, that's going back and forth. And
yeah, and I could get into all the other aspects of how I think
it cheapens the whole pot, the prospect. I mean, I understand
right now, there's a lot of excitement about lightning and
tipping, which, as you know, is not value for value. And by the
way, I've discovered and I think I posted a tipping is racist.
Did you know it's it has racist origins? Yes, I put it in the
show notes. Yep. Tipping is racist. Yes, it is. It kept
wages low for formerly enslaved black workers. I believe we have
stacker news, and
it's super cool that y'all it's about stacker news, it's super
cool
that you can, you know, load up 1000 SATs and you can tap the
lightning bolt and give somebody a set. And that's tipping.
That's it's really just a voting system. It's just a voting
system with money. Whoever has the most numbers, you know, it's
like, Oh, that's great. But it's not value for value. And there
was even a whole thread there were value for value was now
getting confused with the lightning comments. I mean, this
that just drove me over the edge.
Well, the so this stacker news post, I've got some thoughts
about that. Because the the underlying sort of tenor of that
thread was Why would I give my why would I give my bitcoin to a
podcast now on a larger time scale? Like that, that five
bucks or whatever, that you're boosting represents, like, maybe
5000 bucks in the future of appreciated value or whatever.
And so like that, that was what that was kind of this underlying
idea. That's not an idea, but it was about lightning comments. So
there's the confusion between value for value in lightning
comments in the
headlines. The headline was value for value though that was
the problem.
Right? Yeah. See? So then, you know, there's this but on that
topic, I don't want to switch away from topics unless you're
unless you're done with I'm good.
I'm good. I'm good. Well,
so that brings that brings up a different topic to me, just on
that specific issue. Why do we make Why do we make the
decisions that we make? When it comes to? Money or boosting or
tipping? Or any, any any? When it comes to where do you when
you're going to give value away? And that's, that's a big
question within the value for value model. I mean, like, what?
Why would you choose? Why would you choose to give, you know, to
give this Bitcoin away or whatever this might be? You
know, and it brought back to mind. Jonathan Edwards. If you
don't know Jonathan Edwards are is he's, he's, I mean, he's,
he's comment, he's talked about me because he was a pastor, and
he was part of the Great Awakening of the United States,
and stuff like that. But he, but he was more than just that he
was the first president of the first month, he was the first
base, he was former president of Princeton University, considered
by most to be the greatest American, the greatest
philosopher or greatest scholar that America America has ever
produced. That is, sort of one of his seminal works was called
freedom of the will. And so he makes, he makes this statement
that free moral agents, all always choose, according to the
strongest ink strongest inclination they have at the
moment of choosing is that that's, that's, that's a
critical distinction. So you, it doesn't mean that when you make
a choice, that your overall context of that choice, is the
thing that you want to do. So you can imagine this sort of
example of a, of a person approaching you with a gun, and
he demands the keys to your car. And if you give him the keys to
your car, it's not that you want to. But at that moment, at that
precise moment, you determine your will decided that that was
your best course of action. It's the thing you wanted to do is
give him the keys your car, because the alternative was
maybe you would be killed. Maybe a better explanation is the one
that that Edwards himself he used. He said, he talks about
this chessboard, he says, Okay, if you he tries to explain this,
and says if you have this chessboard in front of you with
no pieces on it, so it's this grid of black and white squares,
and somebody says, Put your finger on a square. Which one
would you put it on? Is it a completely open ended? Question?
With no, with no influence at all within your mind? Well, if
that's the case, you would never move your hand. So what he
breaks it down into steps and says, Okay, it's so you look at
the board, maybe one little piece, one little section of the
board catches your attention, because it has a slight
discoloration or whatever, and then goes through the steps of,
then you decide well, why it's as good as black. And eventually
you come to this moment of choosing where your will decides
that putting your finger on that particular spot is, is the thing
you want to do. So that maybe is a better example without all the
moral moralizing. But regardless, the This is why
bringing the donation process in this is where it comes back into
comments value for value. Bringing the donation process as
close to the product experience as possible. is so critical
because of that because of this the my strongest inclination
on a random Tuesday at three o'clock in the afternoon, when
my credit card pings me for five bucks a month for that podcast
subscription may not be to have to be subscribed to a podcast.
My strongest inclination at that moment may be that my
transmission just blew up in one why the hell am I paying for
this podcast in a may cancel the subscription. But if you bring
the Donation Point down into the app and bring it to the point
where it's at the moment when that person has joy about what
they just heard, or they find what you said important or
anything like that, at that, at that moment, that is when you
get this sort of pure, pure moral economic decision that
somebody doesn't But he's just made, the value exchange
proposition is morally pure at that moment, it's no longer a
dark pattern where you're trying to just keep somebody to keep
somebody's credit card on file, so you can, so you can keep it
going and that kind of thing. Well, that's a, that's a
critical moment in the value for value exchange. That's why this,
that's why it is it is in the app. And that's why we seem to
like ignore things like subscriptions and these other
funding models. Well, that's one of the reasons but that but that
this is an important reason. When you extrapolate that out to
something like a commenting system, it doesn't work the
same. Because the a, people do not attach the same value to
something like a Twitter post, that they do to a to something
like a podcast, which is a product, which is a product
that's being delivered. Like if there's an if there's an
implicit value statement that's happening, when you produce a
podcasting, give it to the listener. And then when you come
back with value to the podcaster, that represents the
exchange of value. So anyway, what I'm trying to say is, like
all the value for value this, this answers the question of
why, you know, why would I give somebody $5 worth of bitcoin
today for their podcast, when it may be worth 5000 In the future,
you know, then five years from now, that same amount of
bitcoin? Well, that's, that's wise, because in that moment,
you made that decision, you made the decision that the best use
of your value was to give it back to the podcaster. And
there's no other model that represents things in such a
economically morally pure way. Is that fair?
You brought a tear to my eye.
In fact, mission accomplished.
I boosted you right now.
I'm glad we don't we're not on video.
That was beautiful. And only you could because you're a
philosophy guy. Didn't you major in it? Yeah. Are you perfect?
You're a professor, aren't you? You got a PhD in philosophy,
in PhD in value for value.
Well, thank you. I don't know anyone who could have who could
have explained it that way. That and this, this is something I'm
going to save this episode. That was in fact, I needed
transcribed. Hey, I'll transcribe it through my through
auto odor or whatever it is. It'd be really funny that way.
Oh, yeah, that'll be fun. Nice.
Yes. Dr. Dave, the doctor of value.
Well, do we do we want to talk about the part about the
comments tag as it stands? Because I just finished it
yesterday.
Yeah. Yes. There's something new in there that I saw, which was
priority, or was that always in there? Maybe I hadn't looked at
it properly.
It was in there already. Yeah. Okay. That, so I tightened it up
and leave. And as you can pull it up,
it's kind of fun to go back to the discussion page on the
GitHub and see how the first post from James is all about
this should only be activity pub. Oh, yeah. Kind of kind of
funny to read how we evolve.
Yeah, well, the the activity pub. So here's, here's what I
tried to do with this is focus on activity. Just focus on the
things that we already know exist. In our in US activity,
pub, Twitter, lightning. Comments, those threes in here?
I want to say that like the lightning comments, is a as a
spec is a good one. And it needs it needs to exist. I'm fine with
it. It needs to exist in in the comments spec and not mix the
value for value stuff. That's
Yes, yes, exactly.
And so from that, so I put it a def I put it in there. And it's
part of the it's on the slug list for this. And
unfortunately, I don't see a way around having a slug list. At
this point. They just list out the
explain explain slug lists and why it's unfortunate.
Well, so a slug list is basically just a set have a list
of predefined
word variables.
Now, they're not variables. They're just they're, they're
static. Right? Okay. Where it says, you know, where you say,
Okay, these are this is it's like an A gnome, if you know
what that is. And in programming, it's a list what of
possible choices. What was that called? A noon in un.
Okay, that's what that means. Okay?
Yeah, it's like I say, here's a list of choices. That basically
is what Nina is. And then that's what this is, right? So
it's not open where it fill in the blank. As long as you do XY
and Z. It's like, here's the ones you can use for now. Yeah,
yeah. And that's unfortunate.
Yeah, cold acid. enumeration of values. Exactly. So that's
unfortunate, because that means people have to keep up with the
list. So you have a list you have to keep up with but really,
I mean, it's, it's a small list, it's very small, and it's going
to grow at a very manageable Ray.
It's going to grow by one within a week, and that'll be hive.
Heed Right. Exactly. Yes. It will be hive, as a matter of
fact, should go and put that in there. Just anticipation. But so
there's the tag is podcast, social interact. That's the only
one we're doing. We're not we're not looking at podcast, social,
or podcast, social sign up at this point. This is the only tag
we're looking at in Phase Five, podcast, social interact. It has
four attributes. Protocol, which references one of the choices
from the slug list currently that is, that are that is the
following. Activity, pub, Twitter, lightning, or disabled.
Right.
The account ID attribute is and the account URL attribute the
recommended but optional. And that would be the account ID
would be the account ID on the platform being referenced of the
person who posted the the route post. So if it's me, you know if
I'm the one that did it live for today's show, it would be at
Dave at podcast index dot social. The account URL is the
is my profile, my public URL profile on that, that system? So
my public podcast index dot social profile?
URL? Yeah, yep, yep. Yep.
And then priority is if you have multiple if you're going to post
to Mastodon, Twitter, law and lightning, you got to give some
priority so that the app knows which ones you find what your
importance cred, you know, what's the criteria? What do you
find more important, it's low to high, so it's in descending
order. So priority of one is the most important. Priority three
would be the least in that scenario. And then the app that
at least gives them a hint as to what kind of what your intent
is. And then the node value itself is the URL of the route
posts. So that would be just the full URL of this Twitter status,
or the full URL to this Tute, on Mastodon, or whatever. And so
that's, that's essentially the way that that's the proposal.
Right. And so that that could give you as long as you're
logged into the platform, or you have whatever authentication to
the platform and question from the slug list, then you will
apparently be able to interact.
Yeah. So that's the idea that you would have a login.
That's why you have the social login element that's coming
later.
Yeah, that is, yeah. Yeah. That's to be nice to be
determined. What, how that fits, and where we use it and all
that. And I guess, so the, you know, the idea here is you can,
you could kind of approach it a couple of ways. You could say,
well, I just want I don't want to get all into the coding of
like pulling apps into pull, excuse me pulling comments into
the app. I'm just going to I know that see this Twitter URL,
I'm just going to like iframe it and stick it in there. Yes. Kind
of, yes. Kind of a cheap chancy way to do it. But yeah, but
that's that's what cheerio caster is also doing an iframe
right now. Right?
He's I think Stephens doing that for the IRC comment, right?
I'm just saying, right, but I'm just saying that iframes for
now, it was you just use sound a little bit like it was kind of
icky.
It is. Everywhere.
I know you so well, honey, I know. I know what you think
something's achy. I'm like that My boy doesn't like this What's
going on
is gross.
I almost automatically went to mark that like for no agenda,
I'm always marking shit Devorah for the opening segment, I
almost went to mark that automatically. Well, that
that's the and this is not a good way to do it. But if you
had to, you could I mean, that's, that's, that's fine. The
The nice thing would be to you would be to use the protocol
attribute. And yeah, yeah, yes. Right. It says Twitter or
activity pub or whatever, and then go hit the URL with thread
cap or whatever tool you're using in just a second.
So now you're waiting comments on this. So we can then go to
finalization.
Yes, I'm waiting comments on the comments. I have a
some comments for you on the block tag as proposed. Oh, Lord.
Oh, Lord.
What are your comments on the blog tag? I'm afraid.
Yeah, you should be.
Yes. I'm sure you hate it.
Oh, no, I don't hate it. In fact, I am resisting. Resisting
my inner urge to love it, which is very is very, very hard.
Because my my brain weird thing to say? Yes. My Yeah. So my, in
my heart in my heart, which concerns me, my heart, and I'll
explain, let me just get the feeling out, then I'll explain
why my heart really desires this. And I know it's a sin.
Oh, okay.
So I'm very, and I mean, this, I mean, this, I'm very conflicted
about it. So I looked at the slug list, the num of all the
platforms, you can signal in your feed, to block to block
your podcast from being ingested. And it includes every
app. Every and I'm sure the list will expand.
Yeah, it'll be the entire end. And I want to
I want to warn everybody that this is a very, very dangerous
tag. This will fucking ruin everything, for the reasons of
the sin I have in my heart. Because here's how it would be
used in a fit of grumpiness. Fuck those guys. I'm blocking
I'm blocking fountain from my feed. That's what's gonna
happen. So I'm warning for this.
Noted it's been it's been it's been written. So that
when this this is so antithetical to the idea of
podcasting, it hurts and it hurts because I know exactly how
it will be used because of the sin I have in my soul.
You know, I'm right, you know, I'm right. Oh, no.
100% agree. 100% I mean, I think I'm the one who, you know,
usually go one rewind this thing. And I think I'm the one
that said if, if this becomes abused, I'm immediately gonna
stop stop.
Right? You did say that. Yeah. And so then it will be ignored.
I mean, even the we have the junior what is the the we have?
Do not import? What is that? The LOGTAG the locked block yet
locked tag? Is that really being followed by anybody?
A bus? Oh, yeah. Yeah, bus. Oh,
and are a lot of people ignoring it?
Well, the ones you would expect? Yeah. Well, you know, exactly.
The anchor, you know. Exactly. Yeah, the big the ones that is
intended to stop they do. But, you know, I'm not opposed to.
I'm not opposed to tags, like this that have? Did he know? Me?
Know, but
let me let me just and I'll just finish it up. Because, of
course, okay, in this case, fountain could completely ignore
my block, which would then result in anger back and forth.
And then before you know it, even though I don't have block,
they won't put my feet in, you know that I mean that and I'm
just using this as an example because that's where I that's
where I feel this would have come up. This is a perfect
example of that.
Now, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I'm
just gonna say I'm 57 It's not my first rodeo. I've done stupid
shit in my life.
Here's, let me give you the real world example of how this came.
Because I was gonna let this sort of go away. But then,
because of the comments that I've had before,
and then I just spit on the wound didn't
know Oh, no, no, no, no, I'm not talking about right now I'm
saying like, I was gonna let this tag just disappeared, I was
not going to put it in the in the fat in the Oh, okay. And I
was prepared to let it die on the vine. But this specific
thing happened. And that is a hosting company contacted,
contacted me and said, Hey, there's about 50 or so feeds
that you have in the index, that they're not private feeds, but
there's about 50 of them that we don't want listed publicly. And
I was like, Yeah, sure, just send me the send me the list.
And they said we, and this person said, I'm surprised that
they showed up, because we put in the iTunes block tag.
Ah,
yeah. And, and I said, Well, my response was, Well, according to
the iTunes spam namespace, yeah, it only applies to Apple. So in
the name in the in the namespace for the in the iTunes namespace,
these are the official documentation for that tag says
that. Apple, if that tag exists, Apple will not index the fees,
your
rule follower.
I'm a rule follower. I mean, 100%, you know, and so, and you,
but what happened was, because there's not a general purpose
block tag. Everybody treats that. Everybody within the
podcast, let's just say infrastructure industry treats
the iTunes block tag as if it means general block everybody,
right? And good on, you know that. Yeah, well, that has the
net effect that has the net result of there is no way to
block only specific things. You can't block only apple and not
Google. You can either block everybody. Or nobody if that's
what this block the iTunes block tag means, right? And it goes
even further because James posted on Twitter, because me
and him were talking about this privately. And so he posted a
survey on Twitter, he said, Okay, if if I put iTunes block
in my feed, what does everybody think that that means block a
block Apple or block everything in the overwhelming majority of
people said that means only block Apple, right? So there is
a fundamental misunderstanding of what the iTunes block tag
means in a fee.
And how did you solve that with them?
Oh, I just removed them by hand. You know, I removed it and and I
started I put into the aggregator to not index anything
that's got the block tag in it. Because because the the hosting
companies the infrastructure people think that that's what
that means, even though everybody else does not an
infrastructure doesn't think that's what that means. Exactly.
So having a block tag that allows more fine grained control
it seems kind of necessary because you it if I want my you
know agenda, you want the no agenda show to be in Apple's
directory, but you don't want it in Spotify as directory with the
iTunes block tag. There's no way to do that. There's really
absolutely no way to do
well but just so we're clear I'm okay with anybody importing my
feed. I'm not okay if you're going to run ads around it and
that's what Spotify does by default that's why they have you
sign their contract. Yeah, so they're doing it the right way
even though it's ineffective they're doing it the right way.
I just don't agree with them. So that's fine, you know, but that
but I personally feel there should be no blockage.
Well, the Oh, I agree. 100% I don't think there should be any
blockage at all the the podcast hosting infrastructure world is
convinced that the iTunes block tag in means block means nobody
should index that feed. And that's a mess. Yeah,
it gives up it leaves apple with power.
Yeah, so as I Okay, you either block us and everybody else are
you blocking nobody. And like that's not cool. That gives them
off the hook all the time.
And bastards
I have a few other things.
I've got a lot of thoughts in the pot news report card, but I
don't want to talk about that this week because I guess my
blood pressure up. No, I
had last week. Yeah, I have not looked at it yet. I wanted to
mention that the new version of cast coverage, huh?
No, that thing is nuts. The app on
acid
that app is crazy. I mean, love it.
It's, it's so it's dope. It really is. I mean, you go to
cast coverage.com. Oh, oops, sorry. Oh, it remembers all my
state. I didn't realize that. That's cool. Oops. Okay, so this
is what it does. It pops open windows for every function. You
can rearrange them, it has little connecting strings
between between it so you can control different windows and
it's nuts.
It looks like an old is anybody remember, this is exactly what
this looks like, if anybody knows what this is. Does anybody
remember flux box? Or black box Window Manager for Linux? Or?
Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. Flux box. You know, I'm looking
at it right now.
That was my favorite Window Manager.
It was pretty damn simple. Yeah,
that was my favorite window manager because it had this one.
Here's the design philosophy of flux box slash black box. Is
there the only thing that ever the only thing you ever see on
the screen is a right click menu nothing else and you know design
there's like there's like a comp file that you go into and design
your your right click minion had you had like 12 different
hierarchies of stuff hanging off of it was awesome.
Yeah, I do remember this. Of course, I never used it proper
properly. are probably more confused by it.
Raw relsci This needs a nice dark mode. Yes.
Needs dark mode. It does. Yeah. I just thought that was
fantastic. Oh, wait, wait, if
you wait, wait, if you click on the bottom left, the little, the
little square at the bottom left? Yeah, it changes the
window color.
No, you kidding me?
It changed it to think
there was a really cool, really cool article in The Guardian,
which I just wanted to mention, I put it in the show notes.
listening to podcasts on headphones, increases perceived
intimacy with hosts research finds. I just wanted to bring
this up because, you know, people, my voice was good up
until now. People always like, you know, you're really anal
about sound. Yes, I am. Because I know I know that we're in
people's heads. And now they have data to back it up. It's
very intimate.
You get to use that power responsibly. When you get into
somebody's head don't just oh, you know, just be pulling wires.
There is so much power in audio. Because remember, everything is
vibration. Everything is vibration. And so when it's
vibrating when when when my voice vibrates through the
microphone and vibrates out through your speakers, your
earbuds and vibrates into your body, you become an antenna for
the vibration. And so when I shake the rainstick we get
tornadoes in Austin.
Butterfly butterflies and Talon South America, Shaolin
yeah this shit real Oh, one other just general thing I get a
lot of people saying how are they any of these apps on the F
droid store? And I think is Mitchell updating pod verse on F
droid? I mean, I know it's a pain in the ass I have a feeling
it may not be but a lot of people are really looking for
any of our apps on F droid
that's a good question. I don't know if he is or not. I don't
know because he hadn't he had really talked about at one point
dropping it because I think he said it was a real pain.
Yeah, well, I can understand it. I'm doing well. There's just
some low hanging fruit there is I guess what I'm pointing out
what is the deal with F droid? Is is it in order to get in it
you can't have any dependency on a Google library?
I don't know I don't think so. But I have no idea you know,
they they always put in there you know some not so friendly
features features you may not like you know like uses third
party networks blah blah blah. So Intel at least it tells you
about all the stuff I don't know if they forbid anything
specifically. I think open source is that it Yeah, cold
acid said it has to be open source.
Alex just posted the links. I guess it's I guess if pod vs in
there.
Oh, it is Oh good. Good. Yeah. Looks like Good, okay. Because I
just want to send people there when they ask. Oh, and that's
one other thing about the users and developers partying
together. This is not to exclude the listeners, you have a duty
to. You got it, you got if you hear if you learn about a new
podcast apps.com from a podcaster, tell the other
podcast you're listening to, you know, makes a difference. That's
how it works. That's how historically podcasting grows is
through the content, the content interacting in real time with
the development of the platform, the software, the standard.
Right? You have a duty to boost.
patriotic duty?
Hell, yeah. If you're a global citizen.
I think that when it comes when it comes to that notion, going
back to the value for value thing for a second in his wound
is sort of listener responsibility, or whatever you
want to call it. I was listening to buck bus cast yesterday. And
they were saying they had this. They had a podcaster on there.
This lady does does a podcast on their network. And she was
talking about how she had had a lot of success on Patreon. She
said that they took like, roughly 8%. Really, she said,
but there were there were higher levels that would give you other
options. Like you could go as high like 12% or something. And
they would do other things. But she said they've had a lot of
success. And when they were talking about, oh, why? She
mentioned that. She thinks it's got to do with their call to
action. Where they you know, say detail, they essentially they
tell their audience about it. Mm hmm. You know, and I was like,
Well, yeah,
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, life's not like magic.
Well, this See, this is important, though, because I
don't think that, like, this is the big issue with value for
value and how boosts and that kind of thing have been, have
been seen in other products. Some podcasts are doing this
very, very well. Yep. And other podcasts are not doing it at
all. You know, they just sort of put a value book in their feed.
And then it's like, Okay, I'm done. But no, I mean, like, if
you want, you can just hook up Patreon is okay, I'm done. I
mean, you got to tell people like, that's the thing, the the
value for value is critical. It is just like anything else, you
have to tell people that is there. You have
to tell people that it's there. You have to tell people why it's
no different from I don't know, if you have, do you have the ads
that are running now they're maybe they're local to our
network, where the there's a kind of a, you know, older
millennial ish woman, and she's in Ukraine, and it's for the war
torn Jews, and she's with this old woman who looks just perfect
for the part. And it's a really long ad, and it's all to raise
money for a nonprofit. And, you know, that's a heart wrenching
ad. How many times you've had Have you heard one 807, seven
cars for kids. You know, if Ronald McDonald House never had
communication with their, with, with their patrons, or former
patient or family members, I should say,
that Humane Society, there's no one
no one would ever give anything. Because if you don't ask, they
don't give. That's the part that people have to get over. That's
the hardest part, you know, divorce, and I writing the book
about it, it's really, really weird to do that. But when you
do it, that's when, when you see it come alive.
There's, you know, there's, if you just want the fun of, if
you're just if you're not wanting to get money or anything
like that from a podcast, I mean, you know, age, what the
fun of the technology, and that's fine. But if, if, as a if
you actually want to, you know, if your goal was to monetize in
some way, well, then you just you have to tell people how they
can do it. Otherwise, they just don't know, you know, but you
know, hey, you know, but that actually isn't true. But I'm
thinking now that I'm thinking about this. This is actually an
interesting part of value value as it's implemented in apps, in
the podcast into porno apps. I just remember the lightbulb
moment, all right. You're lit all lit. I'll get the live tag.
The the other eye ways of monetizing, like Patreon and
stuff involve you having to tell your audience that is there?
Because they need because otherwise they would not know.
But but the podcasting 2.0 apps surface the boost button on the
page where the when it sees an ad a podcast that is value
enabled. Yes, sir. That's how I know like for that one, that's
the square Yes, your finger on that's the square you need to
put your finger on. There's no other square
yet. So this actually solves the discoverability issue with
monetization. Mm hmm. Why did I not see this before? So like
when I'm in cast Matic, which is what I usually use on a daily
driver, is when there's a value for value podcast. It pops up
like I see the boost button. If it's no boost button. There's no
bear. Yeah, it's not they don't have value bought. Like,
that's genius.
That's genius. And I just figured it out. I'm not a
genius. Yeah,
no hunting around for PayPal buttons or anything like that.
No. And it's consistent across all apps.
I'm resisting the urge to dive into the podcasts the pod news
report card because it goes into a lot of this stuff. I want to
talk about that next week but that is there there was there
was criticism in there of us focusing too much on crypto
stuff. And but that like that's this is important, and I'm not
getting into it. I'm not doing it again. My
goodness. Dave is too bad you you can only meet with me on
your lunch hour. We had more time. We could have so much more
fun together
that's the yeah anyway that's that just hit me and I can't
believe I didn't realize that before. It's a
Genius system.
is genius. And Alex is right too. You can do it for blogs and
stuff if you put that in there because it just shows up. Yep.
It's it's not a matter of of having to like tell people like
it's a it's a UI. This is a UI
Yeah. This this is what I was talking to Steven B about I said
can you spruce up your your widget you know this goes back
because he heard what we were talking about about 40% of women
listened to the podcast on the website to paint he just make
your little player widget cage just have a boost in there and a
wallet wallet support and you know expand window or whatever i
don't know i mean it makes so much sense.
He cleaned up something because it looks different. I don't know
if you've seen it like the donation set. thing where it
says pricing i think
i in the price I use it every day. What did I miss?
Was if you click on the pricing
link at the top Oh pricing. I don't I never click on pricing.
Is this curio casters biscuit a little donation widget there.
Yeah, QR code. Oh, yeah.
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh,
it's a donate needs to donate what he does? Yeah. 3% and 3% of
the amount is it?
My god, that's an outrageous fee. That's impressive.
Are you hitting all the cylinders to know well,
wait on that. Hey, by the way, aren't you on vacation next
week? Brother? Me? Yeah, I thought you were going on
vacation. No, when when? Because you weren't? You weren't going
to Bitcoin? 2022. I thought just because you're on vacation, or
was that something else? Oh,
no. Is because it's tax season. Oh, screw
that because we have a problem, Houston. Oh, no.
Are you gonna be out of town next week?
Two weeks to Friday? Oh, no. Yes. Two Fridays? Yeah. Bummer.
Now we can we can do a Thursday evening, which I'm fine with.
I'll survive, which I would kind of prefer as this. So that would
be next or this coming Thursday. And then we could do if you want
Saturday when I come back. I'll come back Friday, but I'll be
back too late for the show. And not and I'll be I won't. I won't
have time to prepare. I don't want to miss the board meeting.
That's incredibly important to me. Yeah, sure. We can do it
there. We got to go spread. My dad's ashes are Oh, no, wait,
this is our vacation. That's a different trip. There'll be no
interruption of that trip.
Okay. Yeah. So you're so you're okay, so we would do this come
in Thursday night.
Unless you want to just take one week off.
I mean, we can take one week off.
No, but I mean, it's more for you. I'm fine doing it. But
as long as I can. I don't know. We'll talk about that to share.
We'll
finish all right. Okay, sorry about that. Didn't mean to
spring it on you but yeah,
That's okay. No, no tech, if I'm fried,
I'm fried. I need I need a week off. I'm so fried.
Do we want to talk about the work on the aggregator?
Yeah, I'd love to hear about the aggregate aggregator. It's
exciting.
It was not at all. I'm about I'm about to rock your world. And if
you're
just aggravate, that's what we're talking about here.
aggravator, it's the this is not that. This is not that,
necessarily. It's tied to it. But so here, so that they that
the polar the new polar, the aggravator. Polar is, is done.
Mostly I'm am still tweaking it, tiny bits. But it does what I
need it to. It's very simple. It's only about 350 lines of
frost. And it's it's very, very simple and fast. All it really
does is pulls the feeds. You give it a list of feeds it, it
pulls them down, and then saves a saves it in a feed file with
the status code last date, time a tag all that. So it's very
simple, then it gives it back then it hands it over to the
parser. In the process, if it sees a redirect file, sees or
excuse me, if it sees a redirect from HTTP, it kicks that out as
a separate file in a different folder. If it sees a three Oh,
if it sees a permanent redirect, if it sees a 301 or 308. It
writes that as a file separately, what does 308 mean?
Through a means? Permanent? It's a permanent redirect. That means
the current hacked email, yeah, don't
worry about it. No, I'll look it up.
Yeah, look at the so these redirects get handled. So you
follow the redirect? Obviously, you're you're being redirected.
So you get the content. But if it's a permanent redirect, you
really want to update the feed URL.
Yeah, 3308 is permanent. 301 is just a redirect.
Now three ones are permanent to permanent for two different
reasons. And the reasons are kind of subtle. I think, if I
remember correctly, three weights are not nearly as common
as three Oh, ones. It's it's a probably 100 to one ratio, if
not more. But you so we write the redirect, file out, so that
a script later can come through, read those redirect files and
update the database accordingly. That redirect file is taking 10
times longer to write then the actual writing actual polar did
okay. Because it is fraught with decision making. Oh, that, you
know,
rules rules from the rule follower.
Yeah, yeah. And so like back, if you're writing in the past, you
know, have always written regular old RSS blog
aggregators, and that it's easy. It's easy to handle redirects,
and their HTTP is the law. That's the only thing that
matters. So if and if you get if you get a 301 through an HTTP
redirect, you just update the database and keep on chugging.
But in podcasting, oh, it's a it's a complete mess. Because
what you have is a you have more you have directories that have
identifiers. did expect they map an identifier out to a feed URL,
and they expect that
Oh, I see your outcome. Yeah, I see where it breaks. Yeah,
you have to keep things in sync, right. So what, you know, iTunes
number, you know, to 163489 on my URL for for that iTunes ID
needs to match what Marco's ID right URL is right? Right.
Right, right and what apples is so and that's just one decision.
So then it may here's here's a typical scenario. A redirect it
hits a redirect, picks it up in the script has to do something
along these lines. Look at the current URL, see if see if it's
valid. Check them checked in valid I mean, like, see the
discount XML content parses into a proper feed. Look at the new
URL. Make sure it it does. So that there there's not some
phantom death there that's going on. Make sure both of them
validate then go through and say, Okay, does this feed, have
an iTunes ID? Okay, if it does ping the iTunes, ping Apple's
API, and see what they say that the URL is, save that hang on to
that value, then look into our database. And see if the URL
that's being redirected to already exists as another feed
ID. Likewise, we've, we've got the old one. And we've also
picked up the the new one that's being redirected to as a new
feed. If that's the case, see if that one has an iTunes ID, if it
does ping apples, if it's different ping Apple's API and
see what that URL says, now you've got potentially four
different URLs that you're going to have to make sense out of,
if, if the conflicting, if the conflicting feed is not does not
have an iTunes ID, ie kill it, mark it as a duplicate of the
other one with a number pointing back to the original one. And
then repol, that feed, set the new URL, and you're done. If the
other one does have an iTunes ID, and it matches this one, you
can do the same thing. If it's got a different iTunes, Id just
bail and kick it out and make a fix it. This, there's this whole
big mess of you know, and I was trying to figure this out and
say, well,
at the end of this, after all those things have happened, all
those decisions are made between four different feeds, I can't
even imagine what the possibility of things has to be
looked at. Does a candy bar pop out of the slot at the bottom?
Just munch on that, like, yes, it worked. Your Your reward
is ice cream. That so like I was explaining this on the on the
Macedon? And I said, Well, you know, okay, so this is a very
typical thing that would happen this scenario, the redirect, and
the redirect says, Okay, you hit an anchor feed in it says, Okay,
I'm redirecting you over to pod bean. Well, now, but I do have
an iTunes ID, ping Apple. And Apple still shows the old
anchor, knot pod bean. So what do you do? Do you do you set it
as pod bean? Because clearly, the feed wants you over at pod
bean. But Apple says no, it's it's not its anchor. And so, you
know, Marco, pipe, you know, he, he pitched in and said, Just
keep it at anchor because he said, I've seen too many times
that podcasters will set a redirect and then say, Oh, crap,
I did. I wish I didn't do that.
But how does that? How does that fit with? The source of truth is
the feed?
Well, because of this, seeing that that's where it gets
tricky, because the source of truth is the feed. But that's
not what is telling you that isn't that's not what's giving
you this information was lying nation, it's lying. was giving
you the information is the server that serving the feed,
which may not represent accurately the intent of the
podcaster. Oh, okay. Because think about iTunes, if you go,
and let me just say this, I mean, in general, this is why we
need to stop having Apple as the source of truth
is because this this very, this, this Yeah,
we need to go back to a scenario where HTTP is the rule is the
law. And when it tells you to do something, you do it. Which,
which is how the entire internet worked except for podcasting.
But if you say, like if a person goes and they leave, anchor and
go to pod bean, or whatever, and then they figure out, oh, I
still got some apps over here that are hitting anchor, well,
I'm not going to change my, I'm not going to update my iTunes
Connect or whatever it is, dashboard. I'm not going to
change that, because I don't want to lose my followers in the
old Apple podcast app versus the new one. So I'm just gonna it's
just, it's just such a mess. And so he's, he's right. I mean, and
at the end, at the end of it all, if he has an iTunes ID in
overcast, and we have an iTunes ID in the index, and we're both
syncing together, those URLs need to be the same.
So how do we how do we cut out a lot of this longer term?
Good, man, I got no clue. I mean, we just keep on chugging,
I guess, and keep on. Keep on trying to make things make the
index as good as possible. So that
what can we ask Apple to do to make this go away? No,
seriously.
I'm serious and laughing about it, because I don't think they
care.
But I'm asking what the what what the ask would be?
I don't even know. I mean, this, I don't think it's a model that
can change. I mean, they're committed to it at this point.
It's just a thing like that. That's the way their entire
system works. And they've, and they've recently changed it, you
know, to put their IDs at even more central to their system,
because they're centralized their aggregators, and it's not
at the app level anymore. Yeah, I don't know, I don't think they
can change.
Right. But but if they, if they all of a sudden turned off their
API, or said, You got to pay for it, or whatever, what we
understand the overall implications, but part of that's
why we're here. How would that work with all these redirects
and all that shit?
Well, I II,
would 50% of the universe be still happy? And then the other
50 would not.
You know, it comes. You've got this layer on top, you've got
this layer on top of HTTP. And that's, that's the problematic
point is you have you say, you say, okay, my, my server is
telling you to do one thing. And now but I'm going to go over to
this other special dashboard in over there, I'm going to tell it
to do for you to do something different. And then like, I
don't know, at that point, the results are undefined.
Okay. So but it's certain servers that are redirecting
incorrectly?
Well, they've let you know. Here's what, let me give you an
example. Here's what Spreaker does. If you evidently like
stopped paying your bill, or I don't know, like delete your
account or something not on it, you, you will get a redirect
from Spreaker. That redirects you to a Google search for the
title of your podcast that used to be at that URL.
Let me Google that for you. Now, it's exactly
what it is. Yes. Which is kind of neat. Yeah, that's actually a
good idea. But I mean, nobody's ever gonna see it because it's
an aggregator, right. But, but that's the way like, that's the
way Spreaker handles it. Anchor anchor appears to just change
the feed in say, there's no longer a feed here. That's what
the text is of. I don't know everybody hands with different
handles it differently. And I don't have a good solution for
it. I mean, if there was, if there was a good solution for
it, it had been thought of by now. But long term,
it seems like most of the hosts do the redirects properly. I
mean, I'm just saying is it do we need to do a blitz on podcast
hosts so that we can solve some of this once and for all, if all
podcast hosts, if all the podcast host? I guess you
couldn't just this is not
a hosting. This is not a product, you're saying I see
what you're saying. This is a podcast or problem. Because the
podcasters don't understand. Most podcasters when they move,
all they think about is is is when is changing it in iTunes.
Or whether or not they should one ever bury the lead.
You gave me all of you, Bear. Okay. You gave me this. And I
appreciate it. I love understanding how this stuff
works. But if you just said podcasters Don't be idiots.
You've got to redirect everywhere. That's something I
can work with.
Yeah, but that's that's not that's no fun for me. I gotta
explain this. What else is my job here? Taking my role away.
Dave Jones, are you kidding me? If DeVore ag dies before I do
your it, man. We'll have Tina, we'll have Tina come in from
time to time. Mo on deck.
Do I have to drink one? Is that the is that the rule there? No.
Only was Tina. Yeah. You're great. You're great podcast or
Dave Jones. You really are. Yeah, you have no idea how good
you are?
Well as to saying in the chat room, that pod paying is a good
solution. That's not the only thing he's right. But if you
combine also if you combine pod paying with
the GUID Yeah, then we're in business. Yeah, that's
the ultimacy in the GUI, a tag has been lost in the discussions
lately. But that's what it's meant to ultimately resolve is
these kinds of issues that the good you is the good tag exists
to eventually make it where the ecosystem can figure these
conflicts out themselves rather than having to go back and
Poland API for it.
Ice Cube soup in the chat says we need a podcast feed
health.com For podcaster to find out if they've screwed up. Let
me tell you I agree that's a great idea. I mean, you have to
know that it's so hard to live on the edge like this, I, you
know, I don't use a hosting company. So I am responsible for
a lot of moving parts in my feed. And yeah, like, Wednesday,
I published and I, instead of 2022, in the URL, it was 22 to
two. And so you know, then the enclosures invalid. And then
invariably, even though I changed my feed, it gets cached
and it's, it's a huge pain. Yeah, so when we have these new
experimental things, yeah. I mean, podcast feed health dot
WTF, that would be that would that would be great for
promoting new features. Like all your feed is great. But it could
be even better with chapters a value block.
So you know, the podcast index page can do that itself. It can
say,
Ooh, that's interesting. That's interesting. Like you
click a, click the button on the feed page, and it goes in and
gives you like, this plain English, English explanation of
what's wrong. It says, Hey, everybody, you know, Apple says
that you're in this feed is as ad anchor, but we looked, and
it's pointing to pod bean.
Right?
You want to go fix this? Yeah. How about that? That'd be cool.
Somebody read it?
Is it done yet? Go read it. All of this work. All of this genius
coming from my partner here is worth a few SATs, I'd say the
only way we can fund this entire project, and here we are. Paying
taxes on money we don't have.
That's the funnest part. That's the greatest part of this
project.
Yes. And it's all in the lightning node. It's all in the
node in the servers baby. It's where it all is. Value for
value. Now, we've talked a lot about it. Now's your chance to
experience it for yourself. We prefer you to get a modern
podcast app a new podcast apps calm and boost us big amounts
but really it's the value that you determine that's the great
part about it is whatever you think it's worth and that's very
subjective. You can also do it still through Fiat fun coupons
air there's one coming in by going to podcast index.org down
at the bottom. You can click on the PayPal button go to donate
that way also there's an on chain. I should take a look and
see if we got any on chain donations. Through tally coin.
Hold on a second. Oh,
I forget about on chain stuff. Yeah, I forgot
one for Korean the keeper and Dame Jennifer has sent us like
23,000 SATs. My boys my boys.
Go on male You're fading and jump in here and save you.
Yeah, you might have to say let me just see if we have anything
over here. Podcasting. 2.0 Here we go. Well, yeah, we got the on
the 19th of March t shirt time. I think we already got that we
have that on the list.
Is that was that? Was that through tally coin. I thought it
was a lightning donation.
It might be lightning. Which also works through tally coin.
Okay. 305095
Yeah, that must be the t shirt.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, that one. All right. Good. We're
good. Should we Yeah, should we thank some people. Dave.
I would love to thank some people. Yes, I mean that that
might be my face.
My face is one of mine.
Marco $500. big baller PayPal big board. No, no. He's a he's a
kid centric baller. I don't know what how to say this there's a
we can do we can do these together because Buzzsprout also
came in with $500 Double Double
I got to hit it shot 20 blades just makes me feel good
they're both in the they're both in the in the Impala bouncing
that's right ocean that's
right shot kala. Thank you both very well, actually you thank
all of you. Buzzsprout not just one day it's yes. You got to
talk day my voice I would get some the drink.
Yeah, no, but we we appreciate that so much because that is the
foundation. These these two donations each month have become
the foundation of of what we're doing and then because their
subscriptions and they they hit every month. Yes. Yeah, it takes
to pressure off because we don't have to worry about whether it's
gonna happen or not. No, it's fantastic and very much
appreciated, which
is of course, part of living on the edge with podcasting. 2.0
with value for value is part of it is living on the edge, will
we make rent?
Because that's, I mean, that's the thing is like, that's all I
ever care about. Cancer. Yeah, these get canceled at any
moment. We don't know. I mean, you don't know. So that's,
that's one of the reasons why we're, we're trying to build up
enough money in the bank, to be able to run this for a while if
something really bad happened. And that's this makes it where
these, those two donations make it. And rss.com comes in with
donations a lot that are big, those donations make it to where
we don't have to eat up every single bit of what we're doing
with to cover the overhead the fees, the hosting fees, and
lightning node and all that stuff. It allows us to have the
extra to put in the bank for the for the future. And that that'd
be we, me and Adam and I don't take any distributions. So
everything just stays in the business. That's why we talk
about like, we're an LLC, I don't have it worse in other
countries, but an LLC in the United States is a pass through.
So that means when the company gets money that goes on your
personal tax return, even if you don't, even if it's still in the
bank and you never saw it, so we never see a dime but we still
pay taxes on it. Anyway, this repeat really appreciates the
podcasting 2.0 vow of poverty, Dave. Embrace it, embrace it.
I did get to claim about three grand of expenses on my taxes
though, goes to Bitcoin.
Yeah, no, you definitely get to deduct cool stuff.
Yeah, so that that saved me a lot of money on taxes, but I
still wasn't no, like 700 bucks. Yeah. ephors. Ever Ralphie
Ralphie gave us $11.11
Ah, Rofi from Comcast coverage. Yep. Thank you, man.
He's full. He says we are the all powerful diesel fueled
freight train of freedom. coming through, keep it lit brothers.
Lots of love. Ralphie.
This podcast is live live item tag.
I love it. That's a good, that's a good acronym. I'm diggin that.
All right, we got some loose. Yeah. Now, this was extremely
confusing, because we had all those comments mixed in here.
And you did a lot of cleanup. And I'm hoping I did it right.
Because we had to merge two different two different sets of
boosts in here.
Just so what I did was anything that I could see appeared as a
comment. And that was not specifically posted as a comment
as a booster gram, which I think was none of them. We just were
leaving out. Most of them were 101 SATs for some reason, or 100
SATs.
That seemed to be a consistent value. Yeah, yeah.
So and it didn't matter if what what who was saying what? For
against positive negative? We just left all of those out.
Yeah. Because this is boosted ramps.
Yep. Yeah. It was not an easy process.
Stephen, he says again, I thought you guys were doing this
to make curry rich.
Yeah, we're gonna do I'm gonna talk about that next time.
That's, that's my pet peeve of this is nuts. Okay, back to
booster grams. Macintosh gave us 100 SAS. And he says, Thanks for
all you're doing. Thanks for all you're doing you to rock. Thank
you. Thank
you very much. We feel like we rock today. Yeah,
rock, rock edge, boost boost. Braun of London 1948 19 1948
SAS. He's, uh, He's liking that. By far the hardest part of my
relearning to code has been my experience setting up dev
environments. But once you get it, it works. Great.
Yeah, thank you. And thank you for so I have not I did not dive
into the into the dev environment yet. Daniel J. I'm
going to just we just got really busy with stuff. But I don't
want to stop the review of the new site. So I'll figure this
out.
See, oh, cotton gin. 3333 sets their carrier castering He says
we did it. pew. Pew. Y'all are awesome. I love you. Thanks.
Thanks, cotton gin. Appreciate that brother and hope Stephen B.
Says March 20 2018, march 2022. So we're a little bit late on
this. He says Hey, Adam, can you wish my son Jack 12th birthday.
Oh, we did that one. We did that week. So these were these were
all live. I also left all the ones we did live because we read
them on the on the show.
No. So you already did the birthday. Yeah. Okay. I don't I
have no recollection of
that. Yeah, no, I, you know, this is this is a problem with
me. I remember some things so specifically, I can remember
something from eight years ago, like read details. And I always
remember the the notes.
I don't I mean, like, it's like, I wasn't even there. I have no,
it's okay. I remember I read it. So that's another reason why.
Okay, well, did you read this one from Chad Pharaoh says yay,
Gigi.
Yes,
he did. Okay, well, maybe let's see. What about this one? Pew
pew mofos the features here
I don't remember that. So I like it.
That was 50,000 SATs from PTR
Yes, we did do that one. Oh when I was doing the list I took all
those out and you merge them back in?
I did I saw see this this so you can go to hold on a second
because I also I just avoid that at all together.
No, no, no, no, no see, but I did them. I did them in reverse
order.
Okay, I know that this one was on your list. This is good.
Cotton Gin 22 to 22 he Magus row of ducks. Go podcasting
exclamation point.
Yes. Now here's the interesting Yes, first of all, let me get
you some ducks there brother. I have cotton gin tu tu tu tu tu
curio caster and all I got is to go podcasting. I think that's
because of the export. I don't have the fixed export. Yeah, I
got I gotta push that up.
Now did you get Dred Scott 35,690 Yeah, I don't know
anything in podcasting.
Oh, yes. I get though. Yes, yes, I did get them
and then I also have
you know, you're doing my bit. Oh, I'm sorry. He messed me up
all
right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. I got a got away. Got away
from me. It got away from me. It is a disaster. curse you.
Comment Barrow.
Chad Pharaoh says I've never rolled the dice in the bathroom
but I have in the living room alone with the curtains closed.
You never know who could be watching
Yeah, man, that's the best one. Badass booster Graham.
Roy. Oh Roy's Yeah, Elon baller boost
Ed forth. I love ROI. I love ROI. You know, this is how this
one you and I were talking to ROI a couple of weeks ago. And
the end whenever Dave and I are on with somebody I always say
you know It's so disappointing. The Bitcoin industry doesn't do
shit for us they never donate
I remember that. I did I was there and I remember that unlike
these boosts that I don't remember. I do remember that
comment for some reason
and then Roy immediately he gets it he's like yeah, should I
should be boosted This is bullshit. Thank you very much.
And he has Gigi is King a little crown emoji?
Yes, he does. 34,321 754321
beautiful number that's your number. Now that that is now the
the breeze boost you're locking him in 321 is beautiful. He is
the only one I've seen do that so far.
The aforementioned drips got boost of 35,696 with the
fountain app says boost go podcasting Thank you drip and
air statica falls that follows that up with 2376 through
fountain ad says I love boosting for Bitcoin boost Thank you Eric
drips go now these are these printed out double on my page so
it's this is why I was so concerned about about you
getting out of my out of my sequence because I'm sorry I'm
so sorry. Able to get back on No. Mary Oscar Mary. sent us
1000 SATs and you just as
boost yo.
Macintosh though we already read him I'm so screwed up this Do
you see these? See what this is why I should not be given Adam
advice on how to build a podcast or show prep software
or how to do a spreadsheet or how to
do a spreadsheet? Yes. Okay. SC OTT God sent us 20,420 SATs and
he says hello guys testing the boost through breeze puff puff
pass. Not sure what name comes through.
What came through
SC OTT
that works perfectly.
Said Dale.
He did. He did puff puff pass. puff puff pass.
No, I forgot we had a jingle
it's not a jingle This is an external microphone inserted
directly into my bong.
Okay, at the bottom is it a? You got a bung hole at the bottom? I
put this mic in cartoner Bongbong hole.
Okay, Dave Jones. Okay, stop before we kill again.
Dale 2222 says I love supporting podcasts with Satoshis. I
listened to a few other independent podcasts, but that I
currently support via Patreon. I was wondering if you have any
advice and resources to share with them so they can get
started on accepting lightning payments to assume zero
knowledge of the cryptocurrency world
value for value.io.
There you go. Simple as that. Thank you, Dale. Appreciate it.
Man. Merci. Oscar Mary, came back again with 1000 SATs. He
says, Adam, you were right. We should have been showing
comments from the social interact tag here. I think we
might have taken the running with scissors, he throws a bit
too far. Although for what it is worth, there was a beta version
of this available for two weeks, and we only received good
feedback. So that's, I think that was a comment, but I wrote
read it out anyway. Because, yeah, explanation.
Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't know there was a beta and
doesn't matter. I can't I can't test everything. Well, and
that that's also a good point about open source projects is
just because it's open source doesn't mean just because it's
open doesn't mean people are looking at it, you know,
thoroughly. And, and that is always going to be an Achilles
heel of open source is that sometimes, sometimes he will not
put our balls on it when the game
ends. And if I may, just so I just saw, this kind of goes back
to my point. If you have a feature, and you want to test
that feature, you know, maybe send me an email and say, hey, I
want to test this feature. And by the way, if you'd like it,
could you talk about it? To leaving me out? Yes, it might
have caused me to raise questions about it. But it also,
you know, don't hesitate. I would say,
Well, he did post it on the Mastadon. I mean, it was there.
No, I know I understand. But this goes right back to it.
Okay, let's say this is a great feature. It's perfect. You want
people to use it. Why wouldn't you reach out to a couple of
podcasters with a large audience and ask them to use it? Oh, it's
just posting on a mastodon is not a guarantee. It's it's like
where's your ask? It's the same thing.
See what you're saying? Yeah. That makes Yeah, that makes
sense. It okay.
I'm not Joe Rogan. I have a 10th of his audience. Maybe a little
more. Would you consider asking Joe Rogan to try it out? That's
my point.
Cast peatland. 100 once asked, and he says a nice show. Thanks.
Thank you. Yes. Hard Hat 11,011 sets to Curia. castering says
I'm spewing SATs,
rolling the dice spewing SATs. Yeah, we hear Yeah.
Be my brown mozzie 101 SATs and he says Don't just stand there
boost for the BTC conversation with a GG Don't just stand
there. Boost. Oh, John's BRT says 101 says he says balance
comment. Oh, that was a comment. Well, what the balance was
coming.
Yeah. How big was it? 101 said so because you know, even though
we talked about it, Alex Gates did indeed. Do a he did a
balance. Boost. Yeah, his app was bash boost. Oh, is that bash
boost?
Yeah, that's the that the CLI one of the command one of the
command line tools
giving myself so. And so he sent 250,000 sets
of Alex. Yes. Yeah, yeah, that was during the show. Yeah, just
yeah, just the bounce. I just wanted to just want to bring it
up again. I thought it was bad as
Alex said he hand wrote it. He wrote that whole I guess he
wrote the TLV and everything but Oh, really?
Just on one line? No.
No, you can do it. You
just got the ball? Basketball, basketball, or is what that is
you kidding me?
Look in the look in the hell had a burrito. And there's an
example of how to how to send a one liner the command to do a
whole thing. Yeah.
That's pretty cool. That's one of those things you want to do.
You know, bang whatever. No just or just up arrow all the time.
That's funny,
don't ya history grip Ellen CLR
Yes, history history. grep is my favorite. Don't just
see by now that's already read that. Oh, amen. I'm got me on
the wrong page. Let's see, Dred Scott 10,035 sets and he says
one more than Darrin and two more than CSB boost. Yeah. I
like this.
We read that one too.
We did last week. Wait, the date on that is the date on that is
18. March the 19th? At 4:03pm? Huh. Curious, interesting.
I remember I remember the one more than Darren maybe someone
else did that as well.
Oh, I think that was somebody else. Yeah, that's because that
was CSB. See, I did one more than Darrin and then now now
drab is doing one more than Decius baby so as to more than a
couple of things here. We have we have new T shirts. Which now
the the podcasting 2.0 certified t shirt is only available for
donors. And what is $125 we put a new limit on this for the
shipping and handling.
Yeah, because the shipping is very expensive, expensive and
it's a better quality t shirt and costing us more
podcast index dot shop. And there's also some other fine
products they're putting together that's the no agenda
shop team. And and we have no contracts or anything we just
order order the T shirts from them and anything else they do
that that they make money on those those send a donation in.
Like are you even in the index, bro, which still makes me laugh
It's very fun. And was there something else? Oh, no, that was
that was the main thing I want to say about that.
Let's see. 101 says greetings from the road from Nomad Joe
Jones. Greetings careful man don't don't boost while driving.
Sir bill says I can confirm I'm not drips got boost.
Yes, identity confirmed.
That rumor has been squashed in vif this in for Vieques says
boosting episode 78 from pod friend boost. Boost 500 cents.
Thank you thank you in for VX. Mere Mortals podcast button one
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you know what I mean? I feel like the shape and form of the
dice are a natural thing. It shouldn't be hidden away. I'm
actually thinking of joining a nudist dice colony to free
myself from the shackles of societal stigma boost
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through fountain from Oh also from Karen and I don't Did you
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intention. So I thought
I think he's fine.
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through cast ematic and he says howdy podcasting 2.0 team. Oh,
that's that's sort of text and how they podcast 2.0 team and
your listeners are invited to a bi weekly podcast named ai ai
cooking, spoken by Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from
kin new episode 27 dropping this weekend yo
yo boost boost boosts. Then we have a couple of fresh boosts
from the live from the lit from our from our lit podcast. We
just got a couple of 333 boosts in a row then we have 3332 from
cotton gin who says go podcasting 500 SAS from Sir Sean
of Allegheny Valley no note there sir Spencer 1009 SATs and
Sir Spencer says 3% is not an outrageous free fee. If it's not
a lightning routing fee. lol Oh lol come on you silly dog. I
love that we we can disagree and we still love humor. called acid
it's our duty to boost he says 333 Then we have a boob from
blueberry 808 Thanks again day for swapping our feed for BTS to
the new one armed with a live tag in one hand and a pair of
scissors in the other. This is a new live son of a bitch
i like it
what is BTS?
Oh like that? What is what
what is BTS? That was the name of the show BTS was it stand
behind this game behind force 3333 from Sir Spencer, able
Kirby and I will be evangelizing, evangelizing
podcasting 2.0 and other digital content over value for value at
the Kansas City Bitcoin block party in Westport and April 24
There'll be music food, live music food and drink and vendors
all selling their wares exclusively in Bitcoin oh there
you go. Thank you very much. Excellent it's kind of
interesting if this if this was posted as a comment it would be
seen as advertising
it is advertising I know
but it's not it's a booster Graham it's part of the deal.
You get to you get to skirt and you get to shade you get to hide
in the shade.
Yeah, we can be pretty open about it. I got an across one
kind of problem with that 3369 From NATO's doing my duty
boosting for humanity. And let's see we had another from cotton
gin 3333 were lit fire emoji. And we did have a couple more I
see here. I got a couple more 200 from Sir Allegheny sir Sean
of the Allegheny Valley boosting again and his 1000 SATs for his
first first boost. I think he just figured it out. And then we
have cold acid 33 333 So 33,333 SATs we are still looking for
translators and beta testers for podcast generator generator
three.to Visit trans effects.com/podcast-generators/podcast.test
generator that's got to be wrong also github.com/podcast
generator it's something that must be something with the how
he did that is a command line boost I think he I think he
doubled that anyway this is where it would be handy to
surface this little button click I'm clicking on the button that
surfaces this booster GRAHAM
Well, it'll be he put in showed us that link in the shin. Yeah,
I will.
But I'm just I'm just realizing that something that I always
want when when when we're doing no agenda and someone says he
put this link in so I have to remember that I have to go back
copied from the spreadsheet put it into the show notes. Whereas
if I could just click on a on a on a boost and it then became
part of the show notes or just pub or just public I mean even
if it's just public
the he said call this How about this called as a horrible
horrible Eric. That's is Chris barbaric. And he says that is
right. The URL www dot trans effects comm slash podcast dash
generator slash podcast best generator. Oh, that's it. Oh,
really? Okay. Yeah. Oh, he said I nailed it. Down. All right.
I should. I was already editing it. Okay, you got it. I'll put
it in the show notes.
We get some month lease.
Yes. Thank you all very much, everybody for producing,
boosting for humanity.
Boost for human. I can't get that. I can't not hear that.
Keith Gibson $50 Thank you, Keith. Pod news. $50. Thank you.
Thank
you very much, James.
Thank you very much, James. Appreciate that. Paul Paul
Erskine $11.14 Dwayne Goldy $8. Michael Gagan $5 Charles current
$5 Yeah. Cone glotzbach $5 Christopher Raymer $10 James
Sullivan $10 Sean McCune $20 Thank you Shawn Jordan dunville
$10 and Stu coats $6.66 Thank you everybody.
Yes. Listen to you man. Like a little DJ there. Thank you for
hanging around for my show.
You do have a good DJ named Dave Jones rockin Z 100 Dave Jones in
the morning with you everybody. How you doing?
For 230 We're gonna start the mix.
See, see he can do it. Ladies and gentlemen. I knew it. I knew
it. Did you do college radio? No,
I didn't do college.
Here we are. To value for value college dropouts. Hello Steve
Jobs and was
at four different majors and then called it a quit
Once was running the station and called it quits. Alright
brother, so we'll figure it out. Maybe do it Thursday night for
the next board meeting just to get one in before I go on the
vacation. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, perfect. All right, man.
Have a great weekend. It was. Thank you so much, Dave. I
really appreciate just chatting this shit through with you. And
I hope everyone else did.
Yeah, absolutely, man. Well, yeah, well, we'll hit one
Thursday night. Always love it.
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