podcasting 2.0 for December 10 2021, episode 65 billion
served. My favorite day of the week, got to say top of the list
of favorite podcasts to do Hello everybody. Welcome to the
official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything
happening at podcast index.org the podcast namespace and of
course, all the genius that is flowing through podcast index
dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country,
Texas and in Alabama, he dilutes rust faster than Coca Cola, my
friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.
Oh my god, YouTube's gonna do podcasting. freak out. Everybody
freak their podcast. I mean, that was the the topic of the
week is YouTube coming in and eating everybody's lunch?
Oh, really? That's interesting. I thought a different topic was
the topic du jour. So I am very interested to hear exactly what
the YouTube news is. Are they taking over a podcasting? Are
they going to do it better? Are they going to bring all the new
features?
And well evidently, evidently, that's what Todd and Rob said on
on
media. New media show. Yes. What this what I started listening,
but what what exactly did they imply?
Now he said that he thinks they're gonna come in and start
hosting podcasts, like hosting podcast, yeah. Oh, monetization,
and all that. Oh, mine. So that that seems to be his
understanding of some kind of rumor or whatever. But that it
because that goes further than what was actually in the news.
What was in the news was like podcasting. YouTube says it may
have a podcasting monetization strategy.
Can you come closer to the mic? You sound a little bit distant.
Emma, is this better? As much better?
Thank you. I got it. Got inhale through your teeth now. Yes.
Welcome to NPR podcast chat. How you doing, Dave?
I'm doing fantastic. I'm thinking about YouTube and their
know their monetization
strategy. What is the strategy?
I brought clips. Oh,
I am God.
Look for clips clips, Susan. Well, she was like, she
different. Jabberwocky, Susan,
oh, we don't laugh about names and podcasting. 2.0.
But not even if it's the CEO of YouTube. Yeah, then I guess
that's okay. Okay. Can I get a waiver?
Just hold on a second. Seconded and waiver is approved.
Excellent. Susan, what could you Nikki? PLAY CLIP good.
Content, moderation, obviously a challenge. You're working on it.
You have a strategy? What is the next big kind of scary thing
that you're worried about?
Oh, who's doing this interview?
I don't know. I forgot. I think it's nobody I've ever heard of.
I think so. Where was this from then?
Oh, you're gonna make me sound?
Oh, no, that's okay. I was just curious. The reason why it's
just, I think all CEOs should be asked this question. You are the
CEO of GM or GM, GE. What do you find most scary? Out there is a
good question for CEOs.
Well, so here's the here's the interesting, this is a very
interesting clip. There's kind of two sections to it. And the
first is first thing. She says, you know, what, what keeps you
at what's most scary to you? Right? What keeps you up? And
then the most interesting part about her response to me is that
she genuinely seems taken aback by the question. Like, I don't
think that this was the this part of the interview at least
was scripted PA, but as in just the way she responds tells me
that she was not expecting this question. And which is awesome,
because then you think, Okay, well, I'm actually going to get
a decent answer, probably because you may mess up and
flub,
right. Okay, yeah. I'll start from the beginning.
Content, moderation, obviously, a challenge. You're working on
it, you have a strategy. What is the next big kind of scary thing
that you're worried about? On YouTube?
I mean, right now, I mean, the content moderation has been a
huge area for us. And I think it's something we're always
going to have to continue to be on top of. It's not, I think
we're in a good place in the last
year. You know the way it works? You just say stop. Stop. Okay.
Yes.
See? So this the reason I say that she did not this is not
scripted in this quarter by surprise was because the whole
conversation up to this point I cut all this out because I'm not
I just not it's not interesting was this big discussion about
content moderation. That was what the whole interview was up
was about up until this point. And so she's like a
she's still in content moderation mode and she's using
that to think of her answer. Think
of her answer. Yes, yes. All right.
All right. I mean, the content, moderation has been a huge area
for us. And I think it's something we're always going to
have to continue to be on top of, it's not, I think we're in a
good place in the last couple of years, we've put so much work
from people, technology process, experts in place to really make
sure that we're on top of it, but I'm always going to tell
you, that's going to be one of my, that's going to be my top
responsibility. And we can never take our eye off the ball, we're
always going to be focused on that. Got it. But in terms of
other things to worry about, we're certainly regulation i
We're certainly very focused on working. You know, we I love the
crop because
it's my favorite test. Regulation, and she goes off the
deep end would analyze. So this is better than laughing about
her name. By the way, analyzing this is much more fun.
Yeah, so the here, the uncomfortable laugh there. That
is going to be she's going to one up that with a Oh, no
uncomfortable mega laugh here in a minute. Like, it's not the
obnoxious kind, but it's very drawn out and much more obvious
than this. So she's her first kind of thing that she can come
up with she's she replayed the content moderation thing. So she
get by herself time to think of something, the first thing she
thinks of is regulations, right.
And then she's laughing. She's laughing about it. So is that
because she knows that it's really going to be in her favor
and to her benefit? Because that's what it is. I think
that's why she's laughing but
regulated. So there's no one else can come in.
This is good regulation. Wait, wait,
this is a good clip. Congratulations clip for the day
maybe.
But in terms of other things to worry about. We're certainly
regulation i We're certainly very focused on working because
we across the globe, and there are literally hundreds of bills
that we are that are in discussion right now that all
have a variety of different ways of impacting YouTube, and we
want to make sure that we're able to, you know, that our
creators are able to continue to publish and do the great work
that they do. I'd also say, you know, there's a lot of
competition. Right now everyone is talking about video, we see a
lot of growth. It's not just us companies. There are global
companies that work okay.
So she she says competition. And to me that perked my ears up,
I'm like, oh, okay, well, this this feels like the first true
thing that she had. This is like the first legit answer. I think
she is worried about competition, right? I think they
are seeing this like, you know, you can Laugh all you want to
about rumble and you know, Bridey on and all this crazy,
you know all these? Oh, it's it's it's dilutive? Yeah. It
takes it takes. It's like death by 1000 cuts. I think that this
is a legitimate answer. But here's where it fears into
podcast,
impacting YouTube. And we want to make sure that we're able to,
you know, that our creators are able to continue to publish and
do the great work that they do. I'd also say, you know, there's
a lot of competition. Right now everyone is talking about video,
we see a lot of growth. It's not just us companies that are
global companies that we're competing with. And then y'all
are casting. Well, we're we're excited about podcasting. Okay,
hold on a second first leading the witness, leading the
witness. Do you think this was scripted this question? Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Do that. She's like,
she wasn't ready for that.
That's that's the fake the sort of fake let uncomfortable laugh
where it's like, I don't I don't know what I'm, I don't really
know what I want to say. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Let's listen. This is good.
And you're casting. Well, we're
we're excited about podcasting. For sure.
She is I think she's just really excited.
Doesn't that feel like the debts and the sounds like the female
version of the Bill Gates's uncomfortable laugh?
Hmm. No. To me, it sounds like There's something really big
there. She is right. She's doing I really excited. I think it's
very It's so Bill Gates is excited laugh was because you
know, he's nervous about people and Epstein and all that crap.
That's when he does that. Although that's not true. No,
I'm sorry. You're right. When he's talking about vaccines,
that's when he does that.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But this I know something you don't laugh.
Yeah.
But this is bigger than that. I can just see here like
corkscrewing up. You know what I mean? Wow, okay. This is good
stuff. I love your journalistic take Dave Jones. You never cease
to amaze. I mean, Russ developer. THAT'S IT admin,
journalist, journal global. You need to blue check on Twitter.
What you need now.
I got one a mastodon demonic growth. It's not just us getting
with and, and y'all casting? Well, we're, we're excited about
podcasting, for sure. But you know that that's a place where
there's so many different companies, but we do think it's
a good opportunity for pod. People who are producing
podcasting to generate revenue have more distribution. We
crossed 50 million subscribers for our YouTube music and
premium service.
Yeah, when there's something that's been bothering me and it
was also the Lisa Laporte interview on pod land a week or
two ago, when and it doesn't really matter, male or female,
it just by coincidence, when people are talking about things
that they're absolutely not planning on doing, they always
draw them out with an up with an up talk. demonetization Yeah,
you will hold your hand do this. So this I do not believe is
true. I do not know either. I don't think the monetization
thing is true. There's something big in podcasting. Yeah. But I
don't know about all this. Let's listen again.
Well, we're, we're, we're excited about podcasting, for
sure. But you know that that's a place where there's so many
different companies, but we do you think it's a good
opportunity for pod, people who are producing podcasting to
generate revenue have more distribution, we crossed 50
million subscribers for our YouTube music and premium
service. And so we know that users are paying for the service
and the more we can offer more podcasts there, we think that
will be a really valuable service for our users. So you
know, so we have we have a number of I have many things
that could keep me up at night. And I'm, but I'm also excited
about innovation I and that's really why I ultimately came to
Google and to YouTube was just the ability to continue to
create and use technology to improve our lives. And that's
what, blah, blah, blah, you
know, so she's doing it. She's, they're going to do a reverse
Spotify reach around the sweetest reach around.
Yes, that's exactly you're exactly right. That's exactly
what I thought there's, they're not going to become a podcast
hosting company, I
know, they're gonna have some exclusives, they're gonna have a
whole directory. And and instead of video, being a byproduct of
Spotify, audio will be a byproduct of YouTube, which it
already is arguably, and people who use the YouTube app very
often are listening to video shows just with the app with
their with the phone closed.
100% agree. That's exactly exactly my thought. They're
gonna they're gonna leverage Google podcast, the Google
Podcast Directory, yep. Yep, just get in, and then throw some
throw there, standard YouTube, monetization stuff is going to
be on top of it, you'll get a YouTube channel, or something
that you can go claim it and do all this kind of junk. It'll
just be that I mean, it's not gonna they're not gonna get into
the hosting business. I don't know. Because she otherwise like
when she says, we're really excited about podcasts. Like,
that's not she's not excited about podcasts.
Now, they do have, what's there the URL shortener outfit that
they kind of revamped the RSS outfit? There are your Tumblr
feed burner? Yeah. Feedburner they have been doing some work
over there. So maybe maybe they got some some sense is good. All
I hope is that we get some some of these YouTube Google people
to look at podcasting. 2.0. You take your take your exclusive
shows, and why don't you be a good citizen? How about that?
How about a revolutionary idea? We will help promote people use
your app if you support tags, and if you support value for
value.
And we're making a great mark, first push towards doing that by
making fun of the CEOs name. That's a great Yes, why not get
it
now? Do you know Do you know who actually does understand value
for value in podcasting? Specifically lightning value for
value in podcasting? Hit me, Jack Dorsey. Yes, Twitter was
audio. It was a podcast company, which according to James
Cridland launched and was real. By the way, James Kirtland did
he did he reply to my post?
Oh, I don't know. He was he's his MA. He may be dead.
No. No, I heard his voice. I heard his voice going. I heard
it going. I'm like, on a couple of shows like, Oh, this guy's
losing his voice. And then I listened to pod news today. And
it's some I know, it was it sounded a bit like a generated
voice. Computer generated, definitely Australian. So I
said, Hey, can I You want me to track a couple of days for you?
I'd be happy to do that.
That may be afraid to please the reins. No.
I mean, I'll just send him my voice fit file. You can do
whatever he wants. I'm serious about that. There's nothing
worse. It's like, you know, it's like if you're a guitar player
and you break your finger. No, yeah, that's, you know, okay. So
now you got it. So his, you know, I mean, look at the man.
His voice is all he's got. Come on, come on, come on. Easy one.
That was an easy one. It was easy. I'm here all week now. So
what I thought that the news of the week was what? And that was
actually, I think it's the beginning of the new media
shell. And I got an email from Rob Greenlee. I don't get emails
from Rob Greenlee very often. Did you get an email from Rob
Greenlee?
Now, I've never gotten an email from Rob, do
you feel less special?
Yes. Okay.
But it was interesting, because this is a question you can
answer. And so you have not seen this. We have had no previous
conversation. Can you affirm that?
It is been this emails been in a hermetically sealed Mr. Manager
for a week that nobody's seen it.
It literally came in today. And you're the only man who can
really answer this. And so it's good. Because there was a lot of
talk about it. Podcasting 2.0 Here we go. A subject podcast
index directory size, question mark duplications, question
mark. Hey, Adam, I'm hearing that your directory of podcasts
at the podcast index. Okay. I wonder if he must have sent this
too. It almost feels like a form letter now. Your directory? It's
not my directory of podcast, okay. It doesn't matter. It just
Do you know what I mean? Doesn't doesn't sound like a personal
note. So you may be sending it to more people just right that
way. So it's possible. I'm here. I am hearing that your directory
of podcasts the podcast index has a lot of duplications, as
many are comparing it to the 2 million shows Apple lists and
your 4.4 million shows. Can you share what might be going on
here? I'm trying to represent accurate total numbers to the
industry and trying to understand this massive
difference. Thanks, Rob Greenlee. So let me take a stab
at a few things. And then I want the pod stage to blow the sacred
smoke and explain it to us. Alright, so first of all, not
all you'd be very surprised to learn not all podcasts are
submitted to Apple. In fact, we have the Swedish trickler. And
we have our eye Dave will tell us in a moment, how many feeds
he's found that have never been submitted to Apple
the supposition that the that there are 2 million dead anchor
feeds. And this is of course, the main problem. I don't think
it's 2 million and I would like to come to an understanding on
the terminology of dead just because a feed has not updated
doesn't mean that it's not a useful podcast, that it's that
it doesn't have function or that it doesn't have value. Not every
feed has to be a show. So if it's a musician who has a you
know, does a value for value 10 part series of how to finger
pick the guitar that doesn't mean that that's a dead show. So
I that bothers me enormously that that is that RSS is looked
at that way. So now, after me spouting we can listen to the
pod stage tell us exactly what's going on.
So the question is,
can I accompany do you need someone accompaniment?
You can come alongside me and give me emotional support. Okay,
the pod stage has his own sound you see when he speaks
yet?
It's
completely cannot concentrate we do. I understand. You need to
throw the word Before before we started the show, you had
distortion on there, and you're reprising Jimmy and she's stuck
with a banner. Okay, I'm looking at the most current stats. And
if I understand the question correctly, what's what's being
asked is, is the number the 4.6 million number crazy inflated
because of duplicate podcasts,
duplicate podcasts and dead podcasts. And specifically,
anchor is a junkyard graveyard, etc. And none of those podcasts
that have not been updated have value. I take exception to that.
Because I think there's a lot of people who want to have a feed
for something and might as well just have it over there for free
in perpetuity and not have to pay, you know, 1015 20 $40 a
month to keep that going.
Because I did not know this question was coming, I can't
give you really accurate breakdowns of this, like I could
if I if I had done some research, but I can give you
some some top level stuff. So anchor currently has 1,967,275
podcasts in the directory. And I'm sure that's not every one of
them. But I feel like we are really close. Like, I don't
think that that number that we have in our in podcast index, I
don't feel that that number is significantly off from what
anchor actually has. And the reason I say that is because we
know what the algorithm is for anchor podcast feed creation.
The algorithm is the URL follows a hex index. It's a hexadecimal,
ID that increments by 100 each time. So once you know the
algorithm, you can just run through there and just find them
all. And you can track them and pick up new ones as they're
added.
That is so sexy. Dave Jones what you just said there. If I say
that again, slower. That is that is.
That's courtesy of Chris for ice hockey guy. That guy. Yeah, the
Swedish Strickler.
Yeah, speaking, whisper that quietly, my ear Swedish
trickler.
So we show 1,967,275 anchor podcast. So if you were to break
that number down and say, how much of the podcast index does
that represent? It's what is this? 40 something percent? Boy.
Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Yeah. 4.4. Yeah. In the in the
40s, mid 40s.
Okay, so if that's the case, then you say, Oh, how many of
those are active or dead? Or whatever he wants to know, are
there dead podcasts? And by dead I mean, truly dead. Like some
guy just went on there and hid and typed in the podcast and
recorded three seconds of audio and is never touched it again in
seven years. Yes, there's lots of that on there. What we, I go
through and clean up a lot of that stuff. I don't get it all.
But I do clean up a lot of that stuff. So this number, like
the false starts and the empty stuff. And when you listen to
the content when you when you're quote, cleaning it up? You
weren't barbarian.
And what I usually do is, I have a few scripts that I can run
that dump a lot of output that show this feed as not been
updated in, let's say 18 months, and it only has one episode.
Okay, so I'm going to stop you right there. Okay. This is the
last time we're going to do this. After this, we're going to
publish this as a newsletter,
a newsletter also on our new substack it can
be a subset Yeah. substack Daigo this analysis is very valuable.
And I think it should be helping to fund podcast index and I
think we should just just go old schools for old school people
because they need this for advertising purposes. So let's
charge them in fee out fun coupons over on substack This is
good, Dave, that algorithm incremental stuff, I can sell
that 100 times over to Fortune 500 companies.
So that's that. It we we do a lot of deduplication. scripts
running 24/7 They're just running all the time. As things
are added. There. They are going through and seeing if trying as
best they can to figure out if there are duplicates and marking
the ones that are duplicate as dead, so if they get marked as
dead, they no longer show when they're
dead to the pod stage, that thing's dead. That thing is
buried, that thing is incinerated. It's just,
oh, is a headstone,
a headstone Reidar. So that
that number of that 1,967,275 is a liberal number that represents
a fairly accurate representation. And I would say,
a fair representation of anchor podcasts that we have determined
to have some sort of value. Yeah, and I mean, very liberal
with that. So here's what here's, here's, here's my
theory, okay? If you just threw up a test thing, just shitting
around. That's not valuable. And, and I'll get rid of that,
you know, but if you put up three episodes, nine years ago,
and you actually put some effort into it. And these are three
episodes of this podcast that that you were trying to me,
you're actually working to get a try to figure out if you wanted
to do podcasting and stuff like that. To me, that's who am I to
say that that's not valuable? Thank you. So there may be,
let's just say, 20% of anchor faith that are that way, I don't
know what the number is,
let's just be clear. The reason why is, quote unquote, not
valuable is because it is viewed through the lens of an
advertising perspective. It's not valuable if it's not
updated. If it's not frequent, you know, it's unpredictable.
Unless it's quote, unquote, Evergreen. Evergreen. I sound
like George Carlin evergreen, I just don't have a punch line.
Yes, it just goes nowhere. Exactly. So that the anchor
stuff is clearly the biggest mover here so they can move the
needle. They move the needle on how many total podcasts we have,
more than anybody else does. How
many do they do you have a ratio that they add?
It's a lot. They they're constantly adding. Now, that has
slowed down a little bit. And I've been and I think everybody
has noticed it. Chris ricing said the other day that, you
know, the rate of additions, gains
rate data for the newsletter.
Well, somebody posted, where's that sheet? I've got so many
posts, maybe
I can get Tina to do run corrections on it. If you just
write it. Oh, my God, this would be such so huge. The industry
would would go crazy over this all the way down to the bottom?
Well, you know, and the thing is, I'm not sure why nobody else
does. No one has no one has this data. No one has to see no one
has this crew.
They do we let people download our database for free? Oh, no,
that would require work. No, no, no. Can I just get an app that
just tells me the answer.
Okay, so now, the podcast host. And the Twitter handle is at the
podcast host. I'm not sure who this is. But this person posted,
the percent of active podcasts are dropping drastically.
December of 2020 59% of podcasts were actually considered active.
More in March that was 37%. In June, it was 34% in December is
23%. This person's conclusion is less than one in four podcast on
Apple published an episode last 90 days. So
that's about the same number we have, isn't it? Same percentage,
same percentage? Probably not 25%. We've bought a little under
half a million, so it's less 20 23%. Am I saying that right?
Yeah, I think so.
And what I've noticed is that no matter how many we add, that 90
day number, those numbers don't change much. So you've got a
core of let's just say 20% 20 to 25% of podcasts that are
publishing on a consistent basis. And then you have a sort
of all this noise that goes on around it of all these other
podcasts coming and going. That that just they're just kind of
noise they're there. They're not sustainable. They're not
sustaining anything. So got to go back to the numbers. The
numbers for saying we got anchor. There they 1.9 6
million. You got Spreaker is number two at 956,429 iboxx
282,000 Buzzsprout 152,010. Those
guys have grown by 50% since we started this, SoundCloud podcast
2.0 does for you people.
Again, pod bean 85 1000 lips and 77,000 it keeps going. So the
those those number that 4.6 million. I feel like that is a I
feel like that's a good number as representative as you can
get, without having a team of people come through and start
beginning to make editorial decisions.
And I think that's, that's why this is so valuable. And Excuse
me, ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to this right
now and you're in numbers, you're in the numbers game and a
lot of you are I will boost that's you. This is 100,000 Sat,
piece of information. That's what I expect you to boost. This
is 50 bucks. This is a monthly $50 newsletter, this stuff,
right and we're not even done yet.
Now, I can look at listen notes. When Ben, he lists 2.7 2,737,350
podcasts. And I know that he is extremely strict about what he
includes in in his database. I think most of it comes from
Apple and from submissions. He doesn't, to my knowledge do any
scraping like we do. There's a lot of things that he doesn't
find.
Where are we scraping?
Are we still scraping stuff? Which great yeah, that's what
Christopher Crisler does, right. He's
a human scraper. Yeah,
exactly. So he, for instance, the other day, he found about
6000 podcasts on a was that on a French radio station,
what I meant was, we're not scraping like apple with every
submission that goes, no, no, no, we
don't scrape apple. No. This is web scraping. Yeah. Which
this is now this is discovery. spidering. This is what the No,
no, no, I do not like that term. This is discovery. This is this
is he is a he's like he's discovering the the Antarctic.
He is the the Admiral Byrd of RSS feeds.
This? Yeah. What did they call those guys like, that would fly
to South America in a in a in a Hinden? You know, in bird
crispy, crispy.
Okay. So he lists, he lists 2,737,000. But that he taken you
take an instance, like what I mentioned, where you have 6000
feets coming off of fringe radio station, he's not going to get
those. Because those were, those are RSS feeds of radio shows
that were net that are never going to be submitted to Apple
podcast. Yeah. And, and one of the things he figured out, or
excuse me, John Spurlock found out was that their CMS system
had a problem where it didn't matter, it would never report a
404. If you search for a feed that didn't exist, it would just
keep giving you a a made up feed. And so six out of those
6000, only 100 of the feeds were actually legit, and the other
595,900 were were bogus. Were duplicate feeds.
Can I change change my mind? Sure. I think we this, we just
need to have more of this on our stats page. And then we just put
a big ass QR code there and value for
value. With a with a lightning invoice.
What with both do on chain to Yeah, I mean, this is so
valuable. This is so good. This is I love that you're doing
this. Okay, sorry.
That's right. And then. So we found that by using what's in in
its in the downloadable database, as of today as a value
in there called the C hash. And C hash is our attempt to and
it's it's very accurate. Sorry, it's an attempt to come up with
a content hash for the feed based on information that is not
likely to be very dynamic. It's very static info. So like owner
email. Yeah, things like that. Yeah. And so we don't include
description or any of that just was a lot that's changing
dynamic. The sea hash value on all the 5900 of those radio is
French radio podcasts were the same, we were able to go through
there and immediately wipe them or mark them is dead. Wow. So
that is the way that we constantly are cleaning up. So I
would say that out of 4,000,006.
Wait a minute. So let me just understand, let me play that
back to you. So this is a D duping mechanism that you have
the C hash is a D duping mechanism. Yes, it's oh my god
that is. So you, uh, you know what? This again proves that AI
is bullshit. We've got all kinds of so called AI guys. We've had
oh, we're gonna do this and I'll input that and we'll get all the
D dupes out Ricketts
I don't know how anybody else does it. I'm sure they use
machine learning or something, you know, and no apparently no
one no one. Here's an open database. Everyone's hungry for
data. Here's a business sitting right here. And we it's comics
or Blogger, I'm looking at you. These Oh, well, I'm machine
learning AI bah, bah, bah blah. Now this is this is classy.
Sorry. I'll shut up now. So good. I'm trying to make I'm
trying to make technology interesting to everybody.
Yes, thank you. was extremely boring. Yeah. So that's what the
DDL scripts, they run through there and they want to they
they'll do things like, find everything's got a matching C
hash, and begin to go through some testing to say, okay, out
of there's three of these things that have a matching C hash. Do
they? or do any of these have an iTunes ID? If one of them does,
and the other two doesn't, it'll mark the two that doesn't as
duplicates.
This is where we this is where Marco's contribution comes in.
Next. Bingo. This is so cool. Because he's syncing his he's
syncing our two databases, to make sure he's sinking his
database to ours to make sure that we have all of the apple
side of the information for anything that we have. So that
our information is accurate.
It's so formidable. Yeah. So that.
So I guess bottom line is, I think I feel very confident
saying something like this. out of 4.6 million podcasts in the
index. There are I think less, I would think less than 50,000
True duplicate feeds. And that means that they're their actual
two copies of the same feed with a different URL or 1%. Yeah, and
of those feeds, I think of those duplicates. I don't think that
they are any thing that was statistically throw things way
off. I don't think that there. What would you call it like a
significant, like, statistically significant? And because just
based on what I've just based on what I've seen, like, we we have
a lot of apps using the index now. And for a while there, we
were getting a lot of reports of duplicate stuff. That's that's
slow down, right? Yes, slowed down a lot. Once we've got the D
dupe scripts and that kind of thing. I still have to manually
do some sometimes. But the I don't I'm not sure who, when he
says, I'm hearing that there's a lot of duplicates. What if you
just download the database and search for like, duplicate
titles and stuff? Well, yeah, I mean, you're gonna see, there's,
you know, 700 podcasts that have the word introduction in the
title. That's because,
again, I'm just gonna have to interrupt again, that's why this
is valuable, because it's a pain in the ass people have just
figured that out.
Right? Yeah. So that boost in. So if you if you just, if you do
that, then just search for basic, like, you know, title
collisions and things like that. Yeah, you're gonna find a lot of
stuff. But those aren't necessarily the same podcast.
And, like, the word introduction is in, I don't know, let's say
six 700 podcasts? Well, that's because that's, those are all
coming off of Librivox. And a lot of podcasts have that
they've mistake they've, they're putting their data in wrong.
Labeling the podcast, instead of having one episode per chapter,
they have one podcast per chapter some great, yes, it's
just a lot. And there's a lot of stuff called where the title of
the podcast is podcast. You know, it's just things like
that. I mean, whenever you start getting all this kind of cruft
off the internet, you're gonna end up with a lot of things like
that. But as far as things that are statistically significant,
like having, you know, three different versions of the Dan
bond Geno show, yeah, I don't think that that's the case at
all.
Wow, that's really cool. Dave. That is, I mean, I was just
planning on answering. Do Dave says it's cool. So shut up
already. No, instead.
But but you know, do you take that number and say, there are
4.6 million podcasts in the world? Right, then you then
you're editorializing, and I don't know how you the technical
answer is is yes.
How about 4.6 million feeds of some value Hmm No, I know it's
not it's not it's not very snappy from the marketing
department is rejecting I understand.
It's so Indian. If you look at that, no and say, Okay, well
600,000 of these podcasts updated, you know, within 90
days, every 90 days. Well, but then you're leaving out just
solid shows like cereal and stuff like, that doesn't show up
in the number. So I don't really know how to answer that from an
editorial standpoint, all I know is like, from a technical
standpoint, I feel like our numbers are good. And I love it.
I
love it. Yeah. Now, the podcasts that are missing was another
story, which James again, James Corden, and I like this, about
all these Spotify deals that have been announced with
celebrities and with you know, podcasts, and you know, very few
have actually produced anything that looks like an exclusive on
Spotify. And these two topics combined, I just want to say,
the Spotify, it's a mirage. The whole thing is a mirage, the
whole success of pod now, do people listen to the podcast on
Spotify? Absolutely. But you know, now I see this is this is
not a new way to do it. If you're a public company, do lots
of press releases, get your stock price up, that becomes the
story. Yeah, and they do have some legit popular content on
there. That that is quote unquote. Exclusive. But the, you
know, this is all well YouTube is going to do is going to be
the exact same thing. And I think putting it all together
now with her talking about the regulation first. And then
podcasting. I think that there may be some, you know, there's a
big push from liberal media to find ways to censor podcasting.
And the way they're going to do it. It's the woke police are
coming for your advertisers.
This always that's always the technique. Yeah, right. But
I need to remind everybody that it's what will fail is any type
of moderation you know, removing stuff that is not not proper, or
whatever did that that will fail that will fail time and time and
time again, for the same reason. We don't know what's in those 4
million podcasts, we just don't know. So you can't really
advertise in a brand safe manner against that. And it works both
ways. Many podcasts are like, Hey, I don't want that
advertiser advertising on my podcast. So but that But bottom
line, they're coming they're woke police are coming they so
you know, we have to starve them out. That's always that's always
the way it goes.
We didn't talk about the Twitter thing. Jack Dorsey stepping That
was funny.
You say that next time? We did talk about him stepping down but
more exciting is the the lightning development kit, I
think. I mean, you've had a chance to take a look at it.
This is from his company spiral, which I think is unfortunate
logo. It looks like one of those. You know, one of those?
Comet pizza logos? Yeah, like that very much.
Yeah, no, it was this is a this is a really cool product. Very
fair. Very.
And Roy had told me about this. A while ago, I think we were
mentioned it in my backward way of trying to translate what I
heard because this is where you can just use little pieces of a
full lightning node that you need and their magic does the
rest on the back end.
Yeah, it's best I can tell this is like a very confusing PR
video, by the way.
Totally. Totally crap, Jack. Jack, no, just no. No was that
that was wrong. It was all totally wrong. I love the hole
in the guy with the head and the robot. No,
I feel like they were gaslighting themselves or
something. Well,
the gas was something. So
what the lightning development kit looks like is a
deconstructed version of of a node. So you've got the channel,
the channel code, channel maintenance code, then you've
got the database interface code, and you've got all these all
these different things that a node does. They've split it up
into various components, and you access it through an API. Well,
notes I mean, it's a library so that you would use to build
below node with so that you if Summit. A good example would be
if somebody wanted to take build a node, but they really wanted
instead of using the built in like database to lnd uses if
they really really wanted to attach something like a elastic
database to mcpp not less Mongo or something. They want to put
some custom database on the back end of it, they can do it.
So a different example. So here. So what I understand is it
really doesn't solve problems that we have ie in this will not
solve an always on node in your on you're on your phone.
No, it would. It's not out of the box now,
because you still have to have a Electrum server or something to
talk to that has a watchtower or something on it in mind.
Yeah, instead, well, what you would do is instead of like
porting lnd over to mobile app like breeze did yeah, you would
be take this SDK, and then just build the pieces of your node
into your app. So
you could do the send part pretty easily. Yeah, and the
channel meant and manner management, we still have to
fund it and manage your channels, or do they have a
piece for that as well?
No, he's still got it? Well, I mean, it's, it's the code for it
is in there. But you it's not automatic. So
exciting, but maybe not. For us. It's a lower level library.
I think if somebody wanted to get in there and build a native
lightning node into their app directly, this is the good, this
is the way to do it. But you're not gonna get this is not an out
of the box solution for just sticking a node into your into
your app. This is something you have to be pieces together and
code it up. Did
you have any example code or a use case?
Yeah, they've got some example code in there. And it looks it
looks very easy to use.
And this is only for apps or will it work for a web app and
work for any app? Was it based on or
anything? Anything?
What's written in?
agnostic? It's written in rust.
This damn Rust has taken over our lives.
What's the right thing to do? Because the memory safety you
don't want to have to struggle with all that.
I mean, every morning I'm glad you said that because every
single morning I think, damn memory safety
memory safety. That's what you thought about brushing your
teeth.
Hey, am I seeing young master Mitch kicking ass with POD
verse? Is this guy on fire or what?
When he's doing comments now? Yes, toilets comments
What so but now that he quit his other job? Is he on this full
time now? And they're and they're rocking and rolling?
Now I don't think he quit his other job. But he is he's I
think he's splitting time.
Wow, man, cuz I saw these work on the comments that he's
released. I think he I think he's figured out kind of his his
cycle, his release cycle, how he releases where he releases who's
trying out new versions? I think that's he's he's hit that
stride. He that was new for him, I think.
Yeah, I think they get they found their groove, I think.
Yeah, again, yes. Very cool. And some stuff out. Yeah, look, the
comments stuff. looks, looks really good. I was not expecting
them to be first into the comment thing. And then he
brought that out. I was like, Ooh, that's pretty.
I think, I think Daniel J. Lewis is mad at me.
Why would you do because he did to him.
Because he posted on podcast index dot social. He said, Well,
the website hasn't changed. Where are we with the marketing?
And I went, we're too busy doing the comments you demanded.
Didn't didn't replies and I'm afraid he's mad.
He's, he's out. He's, he's out there supplying stats to the
whole world of podcasting.
Oh, I hope he's listening to this show. Well, that he has, he
has the database he gets valuable the stuff that you can
do though. Now the stuff that the group just can do because of
the knowledge of the group and the expertise of the group. So I
the more I think about I'm really happy we can do that
value for value just need to add add some of that stuff, you
know, as some of the stuff you were talking about.
Well speaking to Daniel J. Lewis, he should add value for
value to his to his stats work. Test a paid product Yes, Daniel
should take Lightning Man. It's right there.
It's so tiring being an evangelist
being being 10 years ahead of the curve all the time a little
sad
about the the comedy album dispute with Spotify. Man what a
what a perfect perfect group to have value for value and now
Yeah, so they all signed up with was one Performing Rights
Organization. I'm going to ask Joe who's running that over
there and I'll do one pitch
is Joe Rogan. Oh Rogan? Oh yeah. The
only comedian I know.
Joe Piscopo stuff taken down I think it did no no, not about
get taken down. No podcast but his stand up. Yeah, I'm sure get
taken off Spotify.
I'm sure he did. Yeah, I think Look, no, I actually I'm not
sure that's why I have to ask them because, okay. It's and
they'll and Spotify will never deal with this, they will have
no part of
it. They'll just leave it off. They won't ever put it back up.
Yeah, they're not gonna You can't go above the established
prices from music, these guys lose their shirt. They're on
their own micro micro slivers of profit as is.
Yeah, and you can't do it. If there's a chance that they may
owe a billion dollars in royalties, and you forget it.
That's that's not coming back. Well,
yeah, not forget even going backwards, just, you know,
moving forwards. And remember, this is a technology company who
really truly believe that it's fucked up. They have to pay
artists in the first place. Remember the CTO? He's like,
look, we're giving you our platform, what's your problem?
You want to be paid more? Stop complaining? Yeah, they and they
do that? Because they want to be like Google, but Google will
take the loss on that stuff.
Yeah, because they don't see that's the thing. That's the
difference between somebody like Google and Spotify. In the US at
Google, I mean, YouTube, because we're talking about at the
beginning of the show that that YouTube is just going to do a
Spotify, you know, reach around here. And so the Swedish, the
Swedish research round, they're gonna do that. And the
difference there is that Google and this is why I disagree with
Sam Sethi. I do not think that that YouTube will split off will
be split off into its own company. I don't think that's
going to happen. No, no. Anything attached to Google has
a has a, you won't, you should never divorce yourself from the
mountain of money. Because when you have this sort of guarantee
mountain of cash, or pot, you know, like, firehose of cash is
being blown in your face all day long. You don't separate
yourself from that, because they can do stuff and not have to
worry about if it's a failure or not, right, Spotify can't do
that. I mean, they have a thin, they're walking the line all the
time, somebody like YouTube, they can they can throw up
podcasting, and if it loses, if it loses a billion dollars, I
mean, that's like, what, a week of a week of revenue. For me.
That's, that's a rounding error for Google. I mean, that's like,
no big deal. So not shoot not a week, that's like less than a
day of revenue for those revenue. Yeah, not profit, but
revenue. Sure. Yeah. So they're making like, you know, a million
dollars a minute. Spotify is not, they don't have that
luxury, you know, so the YouTube, I think, I think
YouTube if the if they wanted to, if they were serious, and
this is the other problem with this, is once you're hooked up
to the, you know, cash firehose, you tend to not take things as
seriously as you would if you really needed the money. Yeah,
so who knows if they will, but if they took it seriously, and
wanted to take on Spotify, head to head with YouTube, that's,
that's a thread that that I'm sure they want to do, I, they
would definitely want to take away Spotify, they want Google
music to be to take over Spotify, and you know, Spotify,
now are starting to click in my head, this truly is a mirage,
what these guys have put on, now they haven't made profits, you
know that they're not making money, we all know that this is
a great value play has been for investors based upon press
releases, they have a shitty business model, because whenever
the rights holders decide to raise the prices, you either
negotiate, you know, figured out a way to you know, concede and
and work or you have no business. So, you know, they're
there, they've been they've been working on this pivot to bring
more value to their paying subscribers who, you know,
obviously are not going to see all the Google has many better
ways to make money on their customers, quote, unquote,
customers, then, Spotify does. And so what you see is the CEO
of Spotify, I think was misconstrued by some podcast
analysts. Who were like, well, we've got $3.8 billion for
acquisitions big swinging, Dick, you know, you don't say that
kind of stuff. Unless you're like shit, man, we're in
trouble. We got to find we got to find something that works for
us. And it was not just for podcasting, it's for anything
and they're buying audio books and you know, their vision is
audio. But that's really broad man that's hard these days to do
just audio. You know, there's too much I mean, look at we want
to do music can we know that make technically yes, we need an
app that shows music that only shows the media tag will help
with this. I know I'm jumping the gun, but you're going to
need to just separate that stuff is I don't think it all belongs
into one in one jumble. Except actually have to have just as a
side note From time to time I like to dip my toe in the dark
side. And I've done it again. I've done it a
garden side. Yes, this this is probably not the Kara Swisher
show you're talking about some other dark side.
This is another dark side. Yes. As you know I've ever since
Linux Mint. I've, I've really I mean, that's my daily driver. I
love it, I run it on the surface,
you installed Windows 11, didn't you? No, no, no,
no. I have the surface go, which is the first version two. So it
runs beautifully, super fast. And there's something about the
terminal. That is just so come the whole is. And that's that's
the design of an operating system is that's voodoo. But
there's something about it that really feels good at interacts?
Well, you know the way links work, the way copy paste works.
There's all these things that are already kind of natural. So
I returned to using mutt from my email, and I become one No, no,
that's not not I've been doing that for for No, that's what
made me laugh more than a year. Okay.
That's nice. percent of the people listening to this show
have no idea what might even is they don't even know what this
is search
for mutt email client. Because, you know, my workflow just has
improved. And I've and I've really taken some time to learn
macros and how to do stuff. And, and I'm also a VI user. And so
as I'm looking for better workflows, always looking for
better workflows. Ever since you know, for the last 24 months,
the amount of email coming in has to be routed has to be
tagged a lot of stuff I got to do, just to make all my shows,
you know, that's what I do. That's literally what I do.
You're an information router. So I've
gone to the dark side. And if taken up learning emacs again.
Oh,
and I've used emacs of a handful of times, but and I know it's
like this craziest Space Shuttle worth of stuff that you can do
and that I get. That's all I know about it. I've yet gotten
into it. Now.
Specifically, I use org mode, which is an outlining mode,
which I'm very familiar for and what you were familiar with. And
what you've just said is the realization I had as well. That
thing's like a spaceship. It's got everything. It's fucking
crazy as I tried to do it. Does that sound a lot like the
freedom controller to you? Yes. The Freedom controller is the
Emacs of RSS bro. I'm telling you. That is exactly what we
build with. It's a kitchen sink. But this, I'm very impressed.
And there's so many translators, you know, so I can output to
OPML, which is really being able to use structured data with
whatever tool is good for the moment. Okay, so anyway, that
was just a side note.
They haven't looked at the I used to use x Emacs. That's what
I'm thinking of the X Window version of Emacs
is very similar. I met for me, it's all shortcuts and keyboard
commands. That's how I move fast.
Yeah, I'm looking at the text based version of it. And I don't
think I've ever actually used the techspace version of Emacs
but it it looks a lot like mutt.
Well, I mean, you can also integrate an email client. You
know, you can do Catlin. The trick is you got to understand
to do mode and agenda, the agenda, different agenda modes.
That's what that's what really and I'd really, it's, it's made
me very efficient, because you just throw it to do somewhere
and you don't have to worry where it is. When you go to
agenda mode. You can just say, Oh, I got to do this. Here's my
to do okay, got it. This is to move this for us. Just
brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. Well, that's what org mode is.
The whole mode of org is an outliner.
Does it export? OPML? Just Yes. What
I just said yeah, it of course, you can export to anything,
including OPML. Now, I'm gonna have to customize that because
of cars. And you know, a lot of stuff freedom controller doesn't
recognize a lot of stuff, or at least not the way it's output
from. Org mode doesn't matter. No, copy paste still works, too.
In a pinch. It really, really does. And then Dave Jackson, God
bless his heart School of podcasting pings me, we all saw
it.
He went to task and it went to task, task, task to task
Yeah, he tasks the camp any and he's like, I got the marketing
guy, uh, William and kind of introduce us. Yeah. So we got an
introduction. And it should be interesting. Because he's asking
very marketing guy questions, and I and I and I will My first
opening salvo I did the whole thing. Should you want to read
it? Must I read it? Yeah, sure. This opens open source.
Do you say, Hey, what's your marketing budget?
Now that that'll be for the follow up. So how much money you
got? How much money you got, man? Let me see. Tas can let me
just search for this hold on a second. Put here it is.
Thanks, Dave. And nice to meet you, Liam. I've been on a 15
year search for the perfect podcast rig. I've built several
and tested pretty much everything worth trying.
Currently, only one device makes the perfect rig possible which
is the Motu Ultralite MK four and that was just discontinued.
See my setup at pod Father gear.com. There's clearly market
demand for the product. I even tried to crowdfund one but could
not get the engineering costs within range hardware is hard.
It appears all devices in the category are using similar
chipsets which have taken an unfortunate turn by exchanging
mix buses with loopback devices, which makes only makes the
problem worse. I appreciate your interest. William let me know if
you want to discuss further. And
good good call by dropping pod father gear
calm Yeah, because I want I want to
show yeah, yes, your brand. That's your brand.
I definitely like to discuss further really understand your
thoughts on all of this in the mean, okay.
Nice. Yeah,
we'll see. We'll see. But anyway, we'll try and push that
further. I just want it to be easy for people. And then we can
always do a pod father signature model.
Yeah. With the with the signature in the in the sticker.
Yeah. And we'll give you a special pod father sound
effects, like? Yeah, there you go.
Yes. Okay. So do you want to do donations first and then talk
and then laugh at NF Ts? Or do you want to
donate donations? First? Definitely. I think it's been
clear throughout this, what the whole concept of the board
meeting is and podcasting 2.0 If not in your new, it's completely
value for value, everything is open took a little left turn
there for a second when my substack idea quickly was
brought back to the rails. Everything goes back into the
project, we're funding liquidity for the node, our positioning in
the Lightning Network is pretty darn interesting too. Yeah. And
connecting to new nodes is is it really helps because we get
routing fees ever since I set up my own role. Every single day, I
get a report and I probably was probably like, podcasts index
gets two to 300 SATs per day from routing to my node.
Just for me just to your note Yeah, well,
I am a very popular guy of course. Ross you have pushed
your Yeah, but the route I mean, because I only have two channels
I set up one channel though our inbound from podcasting 2.0 so
open that from the from the from the index to my Umbro then
outbound I have to one of my other private nodes and that
perfectly balanced all the time is fantastic. And then the
podcast index gets Benny's so
how how much excuse me DT so do you have only Korean the keeper
that tied to your node right now
Korean the keeper with Adam curry and a small split from mo
fax which has its own node really just to read the booster
grams and a small split from no agenda again just to see the
booster grams come in.
Okay, so how's your Hello Pat doing real quick?
Hello Pat is running. It's hovering everything's fine. I
have not updated 4.9 I didn't like your message. I didn't
think that was a fine idea.
Well, I upgraded 4.9 last night and it wiped my hell pad but
that was to be well that's to
be expected you can just you just started up again it went
yeah, just as reinstalled it and it was fine. Some good I was
gonna try to send you a boost real quick to your Korean
keeper. Okay, and just just out of curiosity that has see
how long the round trip is called. Hold on hold on one
second. Okay, hold on one second. Yeah, sure. Okay,
because then that can we can have the Pew sound put it up put
it on the board Dave
see, where's my two wallet? My wallets toast on curio caster I
gotta fill it up. Shweta Do
you the amount you boost is way too much brother. You're gonna
go broke on that. I like your rush boost, but you're you're
boosting people like 10 bucks at a shot. But it's it's not just
one He's like everybody.
I'm reckless.
You're a beast, and Z I'd like to boost anywhere from one to
5000 SATs and I do that a lot. Just boom everywhere boom, boom,
boom boom boom just boost boost boost your your spray and I am
spraying SATs yeah I want I want to Okay. All right so right
here in the Christmas love right now yeah okay all right you
ready? Yeah I'm gonna I'm going to basically see how
this works so I'm now looking at the heli pad
okay I can get it so I can I want
it Do you want it? Do you have a test stopwatch you want to time
this for now before you do a day before stop. This never ceases
to amaze me. It really does nails it yes because there's no
no known connection between the two of us. And you're on a
podcast app you have now you found my podcast that my lovely
wife and I do you love the show so much that you want to send us
I guess he sent me a boost to Graham right? You can do a note
as well. Yeah. Okay. And then you send this thing off into the
ether and it just finds me you know, I'm not a member of
anything. I don't have to subscribe to anything I have to
sign up to anything. It's just it just comes in Alright, hit
it.
Okay, and you know this is gonna fail
Of course it's completely ready for that. Of course.
I'm gonna I'm gonna time it here All right, ready? Go.
All right, we are Lucent boosts and what are you sending it
from? Which app are you sending it from? Curio cast curio caster
okay and we are still waiting.
We should be within about 15 seconds.
Well this is I need some some waiting music sale Boom there it
is. Okay,
there we go. Awesome.
I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that. I didn't hear the Pew
though. I don't know why it didn't come through. So how many
seconds was that?
Yeah, that was 13 seconds not bad. Yeah, I'm in it I'm sorry
23 seconds heavily pad
heavy pad shows to me eight seconds ago so I guess it it
took a second for to turn it to display yes eight seconds
between receipt and then display so it really made it in like 10
seconds. Yeah. So cool. I wish I
had a few you see the message do you see the message?
Wait, I'm sorry. This is from so this is from here's your cut of
a message tip from curio caster. Something's wrong.
That's weird. But that's that's what it seems. Type the message.
That's what No, that's what it seems to be sending these days.
Refresh your LSAT, browser refresh, DC thing you
know, this must be this must be riveting for everybody.
It is great. Yeah.
You know, why was this supposed to cease? No. It still says
here's this this is something in curio caster I think.
So that the messages so far. I get to do some testing on that
then. Okay.
Yeah, maybe he's he has some weird waves, or something. He's
probably trying to jam a character string into an integer
again, these damn developers, you can't trust them.
The Pew thing sometimes it won't fire because Chrome requires you
to interact with the page at least once before it allows
audio to play. Wow. So if you just click somewhere on the
page,
yeah, I thought I had. Oh, there it is. I just heard you.
Alright, so that's how we prefer to receive value. We start with
booster grams today.
We're gonna know we're gonna start with a with a baller. Pay
Pal donate. Oh, okay.
I'm sitting down what's going on? Okay.
The guys at Buzzsprout Yeah. Gave us $2,000. In a PayPal
donation.
Wow. Shot Carla 20 blades on I am Paula. Holy
crap.
Chris, that is a Christmas miracle.
That is a miracle that is that no kidding. Wow.
Especially since we just paid the bill. They've
just had a huge, huge month.
Yeah. That and they said the team that Buzzsprout is so
thankful for all the great things the podcast index has
done this year. Keep up the great work and keep podcasting
take care. Oh,
thank you guys so much. That is so so appreciated.
It literally the bill for the for voltage node was $1,800. And
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it's just it's a plague everything intermingles yeah and
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the podcast into Pinoys like Spotify only better okay. And we
get actual feedback doesn't get trapped in the Spotify marketing
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grams coming in. And that's our only method no pay power or
anything like that. So we're really gonna see how far we can
push this and I can't wait to have an OPML or a CSV export
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noticed this on the last no agenda show there were two
different executive producer donation so over $300 and they
were promoting their businesses and have to say when it's
someone who and both of these cases people who are just really
like I don't have a job anymore I've you know, I'm doing shit on
Etsy before never I kind of appreciate that I don't have a
problem with that. I don't really know I really don't even
though for the same amount of airtime with audience we could
make you know 10 times as much
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it wouldn't
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I was so boring.
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it's like yes all kinds of different soaps all sugar cookie
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way. I think
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the universe of comic strip blogger has boosted three times
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the segment at the moment. However, it does bring it does
bring us a small element of joy within the current dystopia we
live in. Don't let the bastards drag you down. Cheers, Erin.
Well, let me talk to the to my my agent. Dave, I think this
same rule should apply if you want custom jingles. I mean,
that should be 10,000 SATs
2021 SATs is a little that's pushing that's like a buck
that's a low hourly wage Thanks, bro with that is
happy to do it. But I think you should be more creative.
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bring the boosting gift you got to give direction that's not
enough. You got to give creative direction. Yeah,
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Do you want to? Do you want to listen to you know, it's getting
the shows get a little long now? Do you want to listen, instead
of doing the Netflix do NF T's next week? Okay. Okay. And let's
do. I just thought this was a very interesting thing. We got a
clip of Aaron Schwartz. I went back and listen to that. Have
you ever seen that documentary by him called the internet's own
boy?
Oh, I may have started it not finished it. But you should
probably let everyone know who Aaron Schwartz was.
So he was like, I didn't know any. And I only knew very little
about him. I knew what his I knew what he had done. I didn't
know who he was like in on a personal level. And so he his
name is like on tons of different things that we just
take for granted now. Like he was a co inventor of markdown
language, he early RSS, early RSS. He was very politically
active. And so a lot of the political organizations that we
think of that we see doing things today were part of that
came from him. That he he was very, like, if you get his story
is that he committed suicide? Because he was just basically
railroaded by the government.
Oh, my version is he was cleaned up. Yeah.
Yeah. And so he. But before that happened, in the last couple of
years of his life, he became sort of the go to guy for
interviews, in that now you have to have to understand this guy's
very politically, live extremely left extremely liberal,
extremely devoted to civil liberties, ACA, very much ACLU
type liberal,
older an ACLU old way when I still supported them.
And so that's kind of the thing with this clip, is as Aaron
Schwartz interview, he became sort of a go to guy for a lot of
news organizations when they wanted to talk about like SOPA
or PIPA, which is one of the rise.
But yeah, gosh, that's so that's 12 years ago, maybe longer.
The Internet blackout, remember that were blacking out,
Wikipedia shut down their side and
Good times. Good times, people. Yeah.
He led that and all that. So he a lot of news organizations
would have him on isn't to interview him when it came to
things like internet as a human ride and things like that. And
what I found is, so go ahead and play this interview, clip real
quick. And then I'll tell and then I will tell you where the
interview was from.
Months go by as Schwartz's friends and family await a
looming indictment. In the meantime, Schwartz was becoming
a go to expert on a series of internet issues
to you that do you think that the internet is something that
should be considered a human right, and something that the
government cannot take away from you?
Yes, definitely. I mean, this notion that national security is
an excuse to shut down the internet. That's exactly what we
heard in Egypt and Syria and all these other countries. And so
yeah, it's true sites like WikiLeaks are going to be
putting up some embarrassing material about what the US
government does. And people are going to be organizing to
protest about it and try and change their government. You
know, and that's a good thing. That's what all these first
amendment rights, the free expression of freedom of
association are all about. And so the notion that we should try
and shut those down I think just goes against very basic American
principles principle, I think, is one that our Founding Fathers
would have understood if the internet had been around back
then instead of putting post offices in the Constitution,
they would have put ISPs
so here's a guy here's here's a, a very left liberal defending
freedom of speech. Freedom of association, defending
I already think I know who the interviewed interviewer was
date. Okay. All right. Do you want to give a guess? Yes,
because I hate her.
Is it Kara Swisher? No, no. I was so sure it was her. It's
fine. Don't really hate her by the way. I just hate how she
it's a hate Listen, that's more accurate. Sorry.
The the interview was from RT pa Yeah. So so the question is,
would you ever today? See a liberal? on RT? Yes. Again with
Yes. Only
those that have been fired from MSNBC. That's where you go,
yeah. After that you go to Archie this fact.
But then would they also be defending freedom of speech? No,
no. Like that, that is that shows you how quickly
culture change. It's Flipster
change. Well,
but it's it's also ignorance. Not really, not really having
thought it through. I mean, we're in a, certainly in the
United States we're in a did the meritocracy is, sadly in
education is based on test scores. And then not necessarily
in I just don't think it's been taught to people what it really
means. I mean, you probably heard the German member of
European Parliament who, who answered the Australian SOS
call. Yes,
I heard that. Yeah. I mean, and
for her to say, you know, this is exactly when we used to ask
our grandparents in cermony. Current Opa, what did you What
did you to turn to VA, but your silence? What did you do what to
choose? And, you know, but that I grew up with that, you know, I
grew up my friends, their their grandmothers were home, and they
had numbers tattooed on their arm. So I had a different
experience. And I'm very, very aware of that. And, you know,
and that's the big question is like, how could that have
happened, it has not been answered. And the because they
always say for happiness. Nice. goosed, we did not know about
the Orpheum, we were following order orders. That's exactly
what's happening. And that's the left
that does that,
which by the way, the Nazi Party was also a leftist party.
Well, you can socialists and just you can just see that you
can just see the how quickly something can go from anti from
South think how quickly things can be can be moved
ideologically to throat. So you know, now used to something like
RT was not a verb for, you know, verboten. Now they're
now they had to register as a as an agent of a foreign entity
just broadcast in America.
And if you ask anybody today, you know, hey, what, what about
our TVs? You know, that the immediate thought is that that's
a hangout for you know, Right Wing whack jobs. Yeah. And even
though clearly, it was not that, you know, at the time anyway, I
just thought that was it was so surprising to see an A Chiron
from RT on the bottom and Aaron Schwartz interview. And I
thought, man, you know how quickly things have changed.
Yeah. And that's a lesson because you get to know how
quickly things can can change. So that you know not to give
away all of your, all of your power to some group that's going
to turn around and screw you 10 years from now.
And if you want to really understand a lot of this from a
left perspective, Glenn Greenwald, his substack, his,
his videos, too, are phenomenal. And he's a he's a he's a left,
definitely a left oriented person. And but he understands
all the corruption. He understands, and he sees and
this is exactly what he says like this used to be, you know,
like, get the government out of our hair, you know, no
surveillance, we hate the CIA. Now. It's like, Oh, we love
them. We want to be in it. They're woke.
What's that card is that old cartoon this got the king and
the advisor looking at the crowd and they get pitchforks and
torches and the the adviser to the kings like don't worry about
it. All we all we need to do is convince the pitchfork people
that the torch people want to take away their pitchforks, and
it'll be fine. Don't
worry about it. So right. All right. For the next board
meeting. I you have the NFT craziness you want to talk about
I have Ryan hice, his transcripts, servers, and Ron's
emails, we got to talk about this because he's doing some
work and I need to figure out how we, if it works, how it
works, and I think we need to just, it's something
interesting. Okay, so we'll talk about that on the next show. And
what else? Man what a good board meeting. This is a good one.
Yeah, it hacks. Well, congratulations, sir. Well done.
Thank you. Congratulations to you.
I have a great weekend. Dave. I look forward to anything and
everything that's going to happen next week. May all your
prayers come true. Keep reaching for the stars.
That reads like a CSB. Donation.
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