podcasting 2.0 for December 3 2021, episode 64 Dave's not
here man. Well, at least that was what happened last week.
learned a lot from that. Hello everybody time once again for
the board meaning of podcasting. 2.0 we talk about all things
going on to podcasts. index.org the podcast namespace and of
course, the genius development. It's a blue light at night the
hovering creativity over a podcast index dot social. I'm
Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas and in
Alabama, the steam locomotive of development my friend on the
other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. J. Jones. What's the
etymology
of the phrase? I'm fixing? Fixing to? Um, yeah, like, I'm
like, I'm like, I'm fixing this submit this app to the Umbral
thing immediately I'm thinking covered wagon I'm making a
Chuck's to I'm fixing to make some hooks Could it be that
cookie?
Girl cookie? Yeah, exactly. You know, like I'm fixing to throw
this mask in the trash because I'm so sick of this crap. Know
what? I don't know where that came to came from. There's a
there's also what's the other one? Oh, I'll get out these
gotta be southern phrase. They must be You must be tired is all
get out. I said even I
don't use that one myself. So I'm not sure what that means.
Yeah, but Dave, First Things First things first, man. We
missed you. We miss you. We missed a board meeting. We
missed you. It was a ghost town podcast index dot social known
with doing anything. It was it was like everything just stopped
just Oh Dave's not here, man. All right. So I'll do gave
everybody we gave everybody permission to take the week off.
Is that what Okay? That's a sabbatical.
After a year and a half he gets a sabbatical.
How was how was your vacation? You went to tell us great. You
went to Universal or did Universal
Orlando. Universal Studios Orlando. And we have never been
and we plan this trip like so. We had planned to to send my
kids my My oldest is she's 20. And then again, our 20 year old
19 year old. So for sort of like a combo senior thing and like
just they're old enough and we're going to give them this
this gift for for Christmas of we're really close to Orlando
enough to Florida so you can dry it's very drivable. So we're
like, Okay, we're gonna give you all this trip. And we bought
them some tickets to universal and then they were going to go
and this was in December of 2019. So Wow. Yeah, they Yeah,
they get to take isn't your thing. And then like, by the
time they seriously before school was out COVID hit? Yeah.
So they never did the whole thing fell apart in it. So we
were like, Well, why don't we? We have we haven't personally
been on a family vacation in about three years. So we went to
they were like, let's just do it all together. So we all went and
it was man, we had a blast. Oh, nice. Oh, it was so fun. And I
can tell you this. As far as COVID goes, Florida's Florida
does not care about COVID anymore. I mean, they have just
forgotten that whole thing even exists. They
also have the lowest case positivity rate in the nation.
Interestingly, interestingly enough,
I can tell you this what it It ain't because of masks because
we I didn't see him. I saw maybe a grand total of 100 masks the
entire week that we were there doesn't just need me in like
sardines.
Do the parks there do they make you put on the RFID bracelet?
No, that's that's those Disney only Yeah, this is a universal
studios that didn't they don't they really don't have anything
like that? Yeah. No, it was just man. It was great. Yeah, road
road roller coasters that I'm too old to ride. But you're tall
enough myself. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was it was great, man. We had
a good time. It was nice to it's just nice to be away for a while
in focus. You know, cuz my 20 year old she moved. She moved
out of the house. Or three weeks ago. Oh, really? Four weeks ago.
She Well, she's still in town here. But she just she's just
like, you know, I'm out of here. I want to
I want to have someone come over and hang out and party. Minds.
31 days this I get to do this for you for a long time.
I didn't ask for that. Well, we think about these things.
Well, I'm serious. Oh, man, we really miss you. You're such a
driving force behind everything that people should be boosting
this show right now. To get Dave out of his current employment.
We need your full time man. When is your full time
anyway, I guess somehow got the Umbral app. Done there was
that and yes, I mean, it's now it hasn't been okay first of
all, the Umbral app is heli pad and heavy pad is very exciting
piece of software Dave has been working on and that is so that
you can read booster grams if you're using an Umbral you can
read the booster grams as they come in, accompanied by a little
pew. Yeah, I think I think I must have that pew pew. Yeah, I
gotta have the Pew somewhere. Yes. So it's just one of these
little that's basically it. And then you know that this is a new
booster grant. And it's been fantastic. Because I've been
running it for I think two weeks now. Maybe? No, no. Yes. Do you
have it hooked up to you? So I have with Adam curry, and I
released an episode with Texas slim. So that all goes to that
node 5% of what is it? I have a small split just for testing.
Oh, the MO facts just like he just so I can get the boosted
Rams in the studio. And then I have a small split on the no
agenda feed which you know, that all goes to the index anyway. So
so I can get the no agenda boosts which people are boosting
unrequested, which is kind of cool.
Yeah, that is cool. Because I see those go through sometimes
when somebody will do an all parties boost. And I'll see him
I'm like, they're their booster sending booster grants with
messages. And then I guess they don't realize that nobody can
see me they don't care, or well, I
can see him now. So now I can see it. I got a really cool. And
I had a great experience. Actually, I'm sorry. Do you mind
if I just do divert for a second, then we'll come back to
helipad. And
I would love for you to tell me about great experience, please.
I started a new podcast, completely fresh, completely
podcasting. 2.0 So only submitted to podcast index. It
will be only value for value. It's a curry in the keeper.
Guaranteed not to be in the Apple top podcast List of 2022.
It's definitely not. And it was really an interesting
experience. Because we we launched it. I tried to add it
through my pod pairing script, but I guess it doesn't have the
right pipe juice or whatever.
We don't pick it up directly we Chris. Chris picks that up and
then in circles it back around.
Is that is that? Oh, okay. So is that why? Why it was in there
twice.
That is because there's two routes to to the to all of your
feeds. All of your feeds have two possible URLs, they can all
go through mp3. Or or feed or feed. Yeah. Okay.
Anyway, so we launch and then you know, I post on Twitter, no
agenda social. And a number of people immediately said, Oh,
it's not on my podcast app yet. Wow. What an opportunity. Oh,
it's okay. Because it probably won't me because it's not
podcasting. 2.0 compatible. And go to new podcast apps calm so
we got we onboard a lot of people but also right away.
Within minutes of release. We see SATs coming in we see
booster grams coming in. Nice sense that gives you such a
satisfactory experience. It's like man, people are listening
to it right now. I mean, this is what was on the radio. You
wanted to know if people is anyone out there is anyone
listening? And you know it you know that someone's literally
listening at that moment, and then they send stuff back. I
even got a note from Steven B. From curio Casta. He's like
writing the whole story to me in a booster gram. So it was a
great experience. We're going to keep it all 2.0 We do it on the
alternate weeks when I do mo facts.
Cool. I haven't listened to it. I'm eager to listen to it that
I've heard I've heard that Tina is a natural born pocket. Oh
my god and and I hooked her up. I set her up on the Bill
Davidson. Bill Davidson helped build that Hi should know this
bill. Helman Bill Hellman I think he gave me anointment TM
TLM 103
That's like a serious expensive microphone. Yes,
that's like $900 or something to craziest mic and fortina This
thing is made for her. See for me, it's like I'm spitting all
over this thing. She likes to you know, she she's not. I'm a
DJ guy. Right? So I I'm blasting into the pipe in front of my
face. And she's kind of like moving around a little bit and
that mic sounds so good, man. Ah,
is that is that a condenser? Yeah. Oh wow. So it's real. It's
real sensitive then.
Yeah, but it's in fact, I don't have a windscreen. So she dug up
a pantyhose from 1998 I think. And we cut off, cut off the toe,
cut off, cut off a toe and then put it put it put it up over
them like she's the $1,000 Mic. And then anyway so that was such
a good experience because of Heli pad. Because we're and it
reminds me of the movie. Gosh, didn't I? I sent that to you.
Oh, yeah, the the most the name that middlemen? middlemen? Yes.
The guys who started the very first credit card processing
company for porn sites. It's a great move her to this movie.
Oh, you have to watch this movie. It's a great movie. So
there's this I'll put it in the show notes. There's this scene.
And they then they set it up where? Okay, so people going to
prod and they're in a shitty ass apartment. They're drunk.
They're doing coke. It's like it's a real mess. And but they
have this buzzer hooked up. So every single time someone uses a
transaction which was like you know, it's like 10 bucks for
them or something so outrageous amount above 99 Yeah buzzer
would go and and then all sudden, that middle of the night
like and that's exactly the experience with with the it's
like, oh, I'm like oh my god, people are listening. They love
us. We're popular. We're famous.
We're popular. Yeah, that now we just need different you know, we
just need different ones like they did it like they did in the
movie where like different kinds of porn Yes, you get a peer for
a boost and you get you know, you get a new boost. You get the
call a bear full thing if you get a booster.
Yeah, and if it's above 10,000 SATs, you would do something
else you get like 20 blades on the Impala it's super fun. In
fact, we were the man I got a Windows Update and I'd re
installed drivers and and then my monitor wouldn't go on. And
while we're doing all this I hear from the kitchen I hear pew
like yeah, I may be frustrated with the gear right now. But pew
pew away. That's great. Okay, so that's what heli pad is. That's
the excitement of Heli pad. It will it I mean, you can run it
on. On Umbral, right? It only runs on Umbral or this thing.
Can you also
run anywhere? It's it's yeah, it's it's standalone. So there's
there's instructions on there, how to run it, you can run it,
like three different ways you can run it on Umbral you either
either a PC based on brull or the Raspberry Pi Umbral. You can
run it just as a straight Docker image. There's an image, the
Docker image for it is on Docker Hub. And you can look in if you
look in the repo you'll see prints to the image. And then
you get so you can just do a docker run there. Or you can
just download and give download and compile the binaries
yourself.
It just needs like a macaroon access to your node. Is that it?
Yes. So if you if you run it on the Umbral, it, it looks, it has
a lot of fallbacks that it tries to run, what it wants to do is
run on Omro first, so it wants to assume that it's running on a
mobile device. And in that in that mode, it's going to look
for a environment variable called lnd underscore URL. And
that's going to be the full your fully qualified domain name of
your of your node your lightning node. Colon the port number,
which is always 10,009. So then, if it if it doesn't see that
environment variable excuse me, I'm sorry. Okay, that's, that's
that's what it wants for the, for the environment. If it
doesn't see it, I believe it falls back to localhost.
Assuming it's running on the same device as the lightning
node. It also wants a the macaroon admin dot macaroon and
the TLS cert, it wants to find those two things. For people who
don't know a lot about lightning this. So the macaroons are the
permission system for accessing the API's that are built into a
lightning node? So if you if you access any part of a lightning
node API that has restrictions on it, you're gonna need a
macaroon. So you can have like a read only macaroon. You can have
a full admin guide mode you can have in there's lots you can
just set up you can bait with a call bake a macaroon that has
all these, it has your set permission levels in it. Save
that thing to a file Then Then you send that macro along with
your API requests. And that's what allows you to do those
things, right. So that ad was looking by default for an admin
dot macaroon. And it's going to look for it in the natural
Umbral lnd path for that, which is some long path, then it's
also going to look for the TLS dot cert. And that's different
for permissions. This is this is security. So I mean, encryption.
So the admin macaroon gives you permission to access the API,
the TLS cert, is your transport layer security that gives that
encrypts the communication so that nobody can imagine in the
middle, you are ease drop. So it needs both of those files, it
expects them to both be in the exact places that they are on a
number of by default, if they're not, if it doesn't find them
there, it will look for them in the directory that you're
running hella pad from sort of fall backs. But by default, it
wants all this stuff to be set up to run in an Umbral
environment. If that's not the case, then all you have to do is
just set set that environment variable, if you're going to be
accessing something like let's just say that your node is
running in a wrong voltage, you would set your lnd underscore
URL environment variable to the URL that of your voltage
lightning node, then you would say go to your voltage
dashboard, save that admin that macaroon into TLS dot cert to
the folder where Hello Pat where you downloaded and compiled
Hello, Pat, then you can run it. And then everything was
pretty cool. You put all those fallbacks in there, so everybody
can use it, not just Umbral users. So that's quite a bit of
extra work sounds like
Well, one of the one thing that frustrates me and I'm sure many,
many people is that you find you find a piece of software a lot
of times that work for you. And it's not flexible, it has these
hard D sort of hard requirements. This says you
know, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to do things
this way. And that's just, it's just annoying, you know, and you
want to be able to hear that you don't want to jump through a
whole lot of hoops so you want to be able to just say, okay,
like if I had, like you're on a raspy Blitz, for instance, if
you're on a raspy Blitz, you should be able to download the
the the the repo you should be able to clone the the Hello pad
repo to your raspy Blitz, compile it and I believe you
should just be able to run it without specifying anything
because your local host is going to be where the raspy bullets
lnd note is listening and the lnd pads are the same as they
are in the Umbral I think so somebody some that'd be a good
thing for somebody to try that has raspy Blitz is download it.
See if it'll just run right out the box. If it won't,
yeah, I'm afraid, I'm afraid. Okay,
the most you should have to do is just maybe tweak. You would
have to like save your admin dot macaroni new TLS cert to that
folder. But anyway, lots of fallbacks. It should be very
flexible. Yeah. Anybody who knows anybody who kind of
understands a little bit about the way the lightning stuff
works, should be able to run this without too much trouble at
all.
Okay, so can I already start talking about the next version?
I mean, I expected nothing less. Yeah. Or she can? Yes.
Well, so there's a couple of this. There's a bug there's one
bug and I believe I believe there's there's someone sending
streaming payments and I think they're coming through as
booster grams. And it's real. It's like one set amounts that
that that's not a booster gram, or boosts coming
through in the in the hell pad? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, really? That's
weird. Yeah. What is it the same app every time?
Doesn't tell me which app doesn't tell me who it is.
Now that's really weird.
Hold on, let me just check harnessed
wonder, yeah,
it does. It doesn't give me an app listing. It doesn't tell me
who it's from. And it just has an amount and tells me it tells
me the podcast that it was for.
Which podcasts was at war in Korea and the keeper
huh? That's odd. Right. It's Miss anyway. So that's something
we need to troubleshoot. We can we'll get into that. So
something's wrong there.
I need your date. I need your database is what I need. Yes,
sure. Once
you have my Home Node, man, just take all my money.
Just send it to me just box.
Zip it. I'll zip up my whole note. Zip this just a CSV. I
mean, there's all kinds of fancy interface shit we can do give me
a CSV file, so I can just use that to sort and to use for show
purposes. Okay, right and right now, this is the dream, you
know, this is the oh my god, look at the ship coming in, but
then I just want to be able to export to CSV, load it up, and
then manipulate it from there because, you know, it just makes
no sense for me to spend a lot of interface work on at least
right now. So people can sort that for a show. I mean, and
anyone can do those. I would expect other people to be doing
that actually.
Yeah, I would think so too. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
So congratulations master
not Did you submit things? Yeah, yeah. submitted to this morning.
So how long will this take now before I have no idea is up in
their store? That should be and then when it shows up? I presume
I'm going to uninstall my my current version and then upgrade
I just installed this one, right? Yes, that's
right. And so the, the way that the unreal stuff works is you
submit you you package it as a you wait, you say it, how would
you say that compile a compile a Docker image or build a build,
build a Docker image, build a Docker image with the executable
and upload it to Docker Hub. Then you build a Docker compose
file, which references that image on Docker Hub. And you you
submit that in your pull request, you submit that Docker
compose file in your pull request to Umbral and so the
next time that they do an official Umbral release, I guess
it'll be like maybe five Dotto? Yeah, I'm not sure I think
they're okay. That Docker compose file will be in their
apps directory,
and then and then when you start up, it's it. No, it sees the the
yml goes, Okay, got a load a new container.
Exactly. Yeah. So that for net, they said that they're working
on a way to independently install apps that are like out
of cycle have their own release cycle. That'll be good because
you want to wait for a new release. So whenever they do
another Umbra release, that's when the app will be available.
Good. Well, they seem to be doing a about a release a week
these days.
That was it that fast? Okay, well, the 4.8
they have so many No, it's I think it's 449 I haven't
upgraded yet but they have so many bugs. I look I was Oh
looked at says four Oh dot four nine available up upgrade now.
I'm like no, I'm gonna look at the telegram channel if you
don't mind for a second. Let me see what horrible stories are
there? Lost my channels lost for Bitcoin.
Oh, crap. No, no. Is that tell me that's not true.
Now there was a security issue. And I I uninstalled thunder hub.
Because I saw what was going on. I'm like, This doesn't make any
sense. So you install the thunder hub, Thunder hub app
from the App Store. And then it gave you initially it gave
everybody the same default password which was money printer
go ver so that so if someone if someone somehow had gotten your
your you know, if you open that through tour, and that tour
communication leaked out which I here's what happened, you know,
there was some leaky tour stuff. Then if anyone has that exact
URL, they already know the password and so people drain
some wallets. And then the solution that they had is now
when you when you start up, that was the four points, the 4.8
upgrade, I think when you when you fire up the container, it
hashes and creates a unique password for your install.
Okay, yes, the way to do it. Yeah, that's the correct way.
Yeah. Yeah, I see that on here that have months. I must be on
4.8 Because mine says 4.9 is now available to install. Should I
install it now?
No, let's not do that. Oh, I had a nice so I'm here to tell you
that not a single one of these podcast device makers has their
head on straight. Okay, and it's getting pretty aggressive. Yes,
it's getting progressively worse. I ordered i and I've been
looking all over. I'm always on top of stuff. I'd actually kind
of miss the release of this particular box. The Antelope
Audio, synergy go which looks so promising. I mean, and and so
it's, in essence, another audio interface with a mixer software
mixer. And you can set up all the things I need. noise gate
compressor limiter, EQ, etc. That's a very pretty box. And
what's nice about it is these are all modeled plugins. So you
can use like a Neve compressor, and they've modeled in software,
the Neve compressor and you buy it, you know, it comes with, it
comes with 37 plugins included. So there was enough the ones you
want. No, no, it was absolutely the ones I want. But once again,
these assholes have introduced the concept of the loopback
loopback interface, this is the biggest mistake, because you
cannot process the total signal going into your USB chain. And,
and I thought this one, you could reroute, and you could do
it again. So the concept is, on my microphone, I have no EQ
noise gate, compressor limiter. And then on clean feed, which I
get from you, I have the same and you know, that's where a lot
of my a lot of my sound comes from. And there's a very light
compressor limiter over the clips just to make sure I don't
have to do too much fading. And then over the end signal, the
Master Mix there, I can also put in different signal processing,
such as compressor limiter, and you need to have some final
complete some final processing before it goes into your
headphones before it goes into the recording device, etc. And
none of them can do tell me
why. So why the if you're, if your compressor limiter and
noise gating all the inputs, why do you need that? Why do you
need the same? Like the same thing on the outputs? Well,
okay, this is audio production law. Okay. Okay. It's in, it's
in the audio production constitution. Now. So even
though, so the compression, compression and, and sound
limiting is not just four levels, which is how it's always
explained. So you don't over modulate, when you really, when
you pump something in there to three to one ratio, you can
really start to to create an effect and then that affects how
your EQ is put in. And that's how you make sound. And it
doesn't matter if it's a podcast or in the studio. I mean, this
is this is why you do this. So then you have all these sources.
And you want to create a nice luscious mix of those. And it's
not just it's not just about the about the volume levels, or the
audio levels, it's how the processor itself starts to
intermingle these different sources. And that is like so I'm
very partial to a FET compressor limiter on a on a very, very
slow mode on the total signal. Anyway, as I've gone through all
these boxes now and this one actually, I am going to keep
this one because I'm hooking it up to my Theramin so I can make
it sound like an electric guitar. So and I put the auto
tuner in there, you know, so I don't have to. Yeah, I'm putting
the auto tune in there. Oh, yeah. You wait, I'll be I'll be
playing fucking Beethoven before you know. And Led Zeppelin solo
for Freebird Oh, yeah. You wait, is it by the by the next board
meeting I'll be able to do Freebird. And so I'm, I'm
keeping it for for that. But then I'm like, I got got the
bug, right. I want better more what can we get? So I go to
Motu, I use a Mark of the Unicorn hybrid mark four, which
has been discontinued, they now have the hybrid Mark five. And
lo and behold, it's like they're all using the same chipset from
China, which I'm sure they are. And it does not they you can no
longer because they've Oh, we have loopback. So this mix that
you can send it straight to USB. Yeah. But I need to process it
first before it goes into USB. And they remove that.
Let me get this straight that you're there next generation.
You have the MO two four, which does this Yes. And they're next
generation replacement for the MK two for the MO to five
removes this
feature. Yes. And what they did is they they Okay, so this
device is was really meant even the mark four was really meant
for four different mixes in a live environment or studio. So
you can have a stage mix, you can have a monitor mix, you can
have the the mixers mix, you can have all these different mixes,
and you can process all those mixes and all those outputs. But
what the mark four does is it allows you to send a mix to a
buss so you basically have a sub mix, and then you can use that
sub mix in another mix. So it's recursive. So So in my case, I
would be sending my microphone mix to a bus. And, and that bus
receives other inputs from you and from the players. And then
it has some processing and that bus goes into the USB. And you
can do that with the mark four. But now they've they, they no
longer allow the routing, they've tried to make it simple.
So it's still basically a stage monitoring device. But now
they've they've seen the light is like, oh, and we've added
loopback, a loopback interface, which means they've removed the
busing concept and they've just given you a way to send a mix to
a USB device, but not the way it's supposed to go. And so you
can't even do it. You can't even do it anymore.
You've got so you've got the Motu in for four by four.
No, the Ultralight mark for
ultralight mark for okay, because I'm thinking that you
know, what you have to do at this point is go and buy two
more of those off eBay. Stick them in the freezer, just in
case. Yeah, I mean, you gotta have a, you're gonna have to
have a plan B.
You got to get a good point there, brother.
Yeah, that is discontinued this thing. You're screwed.
Maybe I just buy them all up for cheap. And then resell them
completely configured pod father approve little magic marker
signature, a little sharp white Sharpie on there. Several 1000
bucks.
Yeah, the signature the signature. Yeah, that's
odd. father's signature model is just some white Sharpie on an
old mode.
Can you put? Can you put a podcasting 2.0 certified badge
on it?
Oh, yeah. No. Oh, yeah. Stickers, sticker
stickers, of course. Yeah. No, this is this is a genius plan. I
like this plan. But it's
really discouraging. And, and I understand there's not many
people who do live shows. And all these boxes are great if you
just want to have a couple people chatting. And in the task
cam does some kind of compression. It fails, all of it
fails. You can't make the sound
was great. I can reproduce your great mics. I can never lose
your sound. So I see I've got I've got this audience. Evo
four. That's my box. And it's a great, it's a great box. It's
quite I mean, it's got all the all the audio. But do you have?
Like the, the all the audio stuff is high quality in there.
So like, I mean, it's got a low, you know, low note, low noise
floor on the preamps and all this kind of stuff. But the, but
I can't reproduce your I could not run the show. No, I have to
depend on you to run the show. Because I can't get what you do
from my side because this box just won't do it.
No, no box will do it. No box will do it. This is the only box
that can do it. Yeah, that has not enough capability to
actually run the show. You know, I have multiple sources.
Sometimes I want to play something off of YouTube or
whatever. I can bring all that and I'd my Theramin I wouldn't
even be able to do half of that stuff with with these other
boxes. They don't even they don't even have the inputs.
I mean, the idea is that nobody's come out with a pod
father branded unit.
I can't even get free evaluation units. What are you talking
about? These people are nuts. I don't get it. I mean, I'll take
$10 A device and we'll see and I'll tell you how to do it.
Everyone's close enough. But you got to get the right chipset.
Everyone's working off the same stuff and the same dumb concept.
Well, this is the same problem. This is what happened to you
before the show. And yeah monitor your USBC monitor would
not or USB monitor wouldn't work. And here's this is the tip
for anybody who
yes and I'm running a Surface Pro six with a doc
Yeah, and in this applies to all USB Doc's, all of them. If you
have a USBC or thunder hub, excuse me, Thunderbolt dock.
They almost all use the exact same chipset. I haven't found
one yet that doesn't. And so what happens is with multiple
Mon, multiple external monitors, you'll come in and boot up your
rig one day. And either one of your monitors will not more or
more usually none of them will work.
Yeah, that's it's a fave. Uh huh.
Yeah, anything attached to the doc just just refuses to work.
Any monitors. And a lot of times if you look really closely,
especially if you get like in dark mode and you get a black
background and your screen when it's doing this, you'll see
little speckles of pixelation is very slight but you'll see
there's something this chip does that freaks out the the only way
to fix it is power everything down. Pull power from the top
And for about 20 seconds, and then plug it back in. It's funny
because that
same thing always fixes my my cable modem.
It does. Yeah. It's the universal fix. Yeah. Turn it
off. Power. You can't just reboot you have to pull power.
Yeah. Well, I did and it works. Thank you. Because I was a
little frustrated with that afterwards away at the office,
man. And you're still coming through the the onboard speaker
I've no idea why.
This voice can't be stopped. Yeah,
yes. It's right. The pod sage slips through every crack.
Yeah, then what's to come out everywhere? Yeah, did you speak
Speaking of music stuff. Just, I had this last show, I guess two
weeks ago. And I was like, and then. And then pot land. Yes.
Yesterday. I'm not done listening. But they had the
interview an interview with this. Lady who got the
music licensing. Lady. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yeah.
And so I had printed this out. Where's some to talk to you
about this anyway? I mean, well, you have no choice Taylor's.
Ouch, maggot. Too many knows the. Oh, yeah. Taylor Swift. So,
Taylor Swift, you know, she's doing that thing where she's re
recording her music. And this article says, a new report from
The Wall Street Journal claims that universal have been setting
up new agreements with his artists, which according to the
report, quote, effectively double the amount of time that
the contracts restrict an artist from RE recording their work,
unquote. Supposedly, this is like a response to her to her
thing. And this is. Taylor Swift said this, this was the second
time my music had been sold without my knowledge. Swift
said, the letter told me that they wanted to reach out before
the sale to let me know. But that Scooter Braun had required
I think that's the guy or music that had required that they make
no contact with me or my team, or the deal would be off. Swift
statements claim that Braun will continue to profit from our
catalog boat for many years. So I guess he sold it to somebody
else. Yeah, he sold her the rights to her music to private
equity company called shamrock holdings for $300 million. And
evidently, if this is true, told them not to mention it to her,
or else the deal would be off. Yeah. So yeah. So my question to
you, and I know, you've explained this before, but I'm
not sure if you've explained it on, on our show. Is this whole
idea of podcast excuse me of performance rights? versus just
the artist rights? Or right, I guess writers rights and that
kind of thing? In so in, in regards to podcasting? Does that
fall under production, performance rights? But the
reason I'm asking is because you sometimes I hear on some of your
shows, you will play, you know, a 10 second snippet of a song or
so. Like, what how do you handle that? And and where where does
that legally fall into performance rights? Is that a
performance right? Or is that something different?
Okay, so let's go back to the beginning. Okay. Owning your
master recording, and it truly they were talking about the true
master recording, which is, in many cases, historically, a big
tape, and it's stored in a vault. That is really the
genesis of all the issues, artists typically will sign a
record contract, and the record label will own the master
recording. And they and they make agreements with the
artists, how much they'll pay in royalties, etc, etc. Now, off to
the side, we'll put the composer and the writer of the song
that's, that's a separate issue. So Taylor Swift when she did her
deal with Scooter Braun, she took a deal which gave him the
ownership, his company, the ownership of her music. And, and
that means he can pretty much do with it, what he wants,
depending on the parameters of the deal, but it really puts the
artists in the continuous backseat of what's going on. You
know, it's hard to get an account look, the music
business, the gangsters, it started people selling stuff out
of the trunk of their cars, so you really have no way to get a
record deal unless you put your masters into the game. So then
once you have the Masters now you have huge property rights,
mainly over publishing So publishing falls into a whole
bunch of different categories. You have, but you can, you could
even package up the songs future earnings, I mean, you own the
whole thing. So So wherever this song is used, if it's on
television, if it's on the radio, if it's in a podcast, but
especially if copies are being made, and that's called a
distribution, a mechanical right, so you put it onto
something that people can take away, those terms have had to
adopt, obviously, since we now deal with digital music. So all
all everything that deals with the actual product, that is a
derivative, or a copy of the master recording, is controlled
by the owner of the master, typically the record company. So
when you put a song into a podcast, this is the the problem
for, you know, 20 years, even with streaming audio in the
beginning, when you put it into a podcast, and it is downloaded.
Anyone who owns the master will rightfully say that is a
mechanical use, that is a exact copy is not but an exact copy of
the song and is now on a piece of media. So I need to get paid
for that. Catch the way they kind of got around this. And in
the in the streaming world, which created just you know, 10s
of 1000s of of playlists streaming on icecast servers
completely boring. Is the accountability factor where you
can get a license, a form of performing rights license, which
would be analogous to television using it on television or radio
in a broadcast in general, because it's streaming and it is
apparently not. You can't you can't download it. So that
obfuscates the download, right? That the parameters around
streaming, are the reporting is so restrictive, that you really
can only run a playlist station. So you know, there's all that
you can't play two songs from the same album, back to back and
there's all these things used to be a mix. But it's it's so many
restrictions, you can't actually create an entertaining broadcast
from it. No way. You can't just freewheel it, that's it's not
possible.
Okay? Now, that's why you that's why you couldn't have like, true
for like open Internet radio,
not with while you can, but you can have it with music that is
licensed in this particular manner. So back in the pod, pod
show days, we said put up the podcast, music, net podsafe
Music Network, and people could who own their masters who own
their music. And there were some some famous musicians who own
stuff, they could put it up there and there was a different
license, you signed the license, and it said, Okay, I understand
I'm putting it up here, I understand that I'm letting any
podcaster take this use it in their in their programming. And
all they have to do is is report back into the network that they
played it with a link, etc. And that that worked pretty well.
But of course, you know, everyone wants to shoehorn the
old licensed content into the new system. And it's just it's
not, it's not possible. It's it's no, there's no incentive
for anyone who owns the music to do it. Now we have the, we have
the we have the this the composer and writer portion. So
this is a true performing right, wherever this is played, that
supposedly is going to be recorded, and then all those
licensees who play something, so if I have a television station,
I broadcast and I play, and I play a song, whatever reason
with some sappy video over it, then that will eventually be
reported all the way down the line through ASCAP or BMI, and
then the artist or the composer and the writer of the song will
get their pieces and it could be more than one writer composer.
So how when if I play a small snippet of a song, which isn't
very often but if it was a commercial song, but even if
it's a parody, this is under the fair use doctrine. And that
really is only for the United States, but okay, yeah, I'm sure
any, anyone could make problems. If it is in the context of
education or parody, then you can do this, but it doesn't mean
that I can take a song like my buddy Mike in Pennsylvania did,
Mama gonna take my OMA Chrome as a joke as a joke of Kodachrome?
Now in the context of no agenda, where we're talking about the
variant, and it's a parody, and when We're not you know, selling
this for money we're not Weird Al Yankovic, which we are, we
qualify under the fair use doctrine. And, and we're pretty
well versed in in that, in fact, I'm pretty well versed in
copyright in general. And I can tell you now that just listening
to the pod light interview what it took to license 67 Paul Simon
songs, and that's limited, you know, it's not good, that
podcast can't be around forever, they have to pull it. And then
if there's any copies, you probably have to go after that.
And police it, it's, it's a shit show. The only way the only way
forward is, and I think we have the solution is getting your
music on in an RSS feed, and getting different player
experiences out there so people can listen to music in value for
value. The royalties, the distributed, decentralized
digital rights system of the value block splits function
perfectly for splitting up anything that comes in between
musicians, there may be higher splits for the composer and the
writer. And that will go in perpetuity. And it's the you you
eliminate all the ASCAP, BMI, all this bullshit, where all the
money just sticks to other people's pockets and doesn't
reach you as an artist. And moving forward. And Tina and I
will try and do some of this in. In our podcast, if someone
licenses their music that way, then yeah, you know, we can
definitely start playing stuff. But, but forget anything that is
licensed through the old system, it's, it's never going to
happen. It's not
it's an it's untouchable. It's you can't do this.
There's billions of dollars wound up in this. And I got to
break it for some shitty podcasters. No.
Yeah, that's why I brought it up is because there's, there's this
potential here for, you know, obviously, for people to use
this streaming value for value system for their own
distribution and perform and, you know, dissemination of their
of their music and payment. Yes, but, but then, I guess, how
limited is that, though, is what my real aim is here? Because if
you have a person like Taylor Swift, she's, she's gonna have
to own her own content before she herself could make the
decision to do something like that with it.
Yeah. She sold her content. She sold it. And she didn't own it.
No, she has no, that's why she re recorded her entire first
three albums. Because she, you see, now she owns her own
recording. And she can do with that whatever she wants. Even
though it may sound exactly the same as the original.
Which is crazy to me anyway, how this even there has to be
something that should tell you that Oh, can't be that big. No,
but that's that, that that now, this should tell you that this
is this is entertainment, man, this is why I'm doing this. It's
a shitty ass business run by by psychopaths. It really is. And
they don't care and they really don't care. And it's all about
money. Because look at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I was
actually this funny that a piece of me interviewing Tina Turner
in the the most recent Rock Roll Hall of Fame, telecast, and, and
you know what you see in the audience? I'll never go again. I
went back when it was cool, man, when it cost 1000 bucks a plate
and yeah, and you had to get invited by a nominee. You know,
I got invited by the kings. You know, now it's like, it was
their lawyers, lawyers, is all lawyers, lawyers everywhere I
see you lawyers. And that's what the business is. And it's all
and yet and every artist has to sue their record company because
they lie the thieves they lie. And that's just what it is. And
people give into it except Kanye. People like Kanye, they
figured it out Prince. I mean, he didn't record for years to
get out of his contract. And,
um, I mean, who? Who owns their own content? So it's like, Is it
is it really rare? What are you talking about? Is it only the
huge ones? Like, let's just say maybe like
a radio, it's always the poor ones. It's only the poor ones
we're talking about. Okay, anybody can Oh, look, you create
a song you own it. It's yours. You can register it so people
know how to get in touch with you. And if you're doing that
today, if you take your music to ASCAP BMI, and you sign the
deal, there's no place for you in podcasting. 2.0 there's just
no Now does that mean that you can't get played on the radio?
Oh, boohoo? Yeah, probably. Does that mean that you won't get
money on on Spotify? Yeah, probably. You can. You can carve
out exceptions, but it would be very difficult. You kind of have
to choose one or the other. You know, because if you give the,
the Performing Rights to ASCAP BMI for them to collect and you
just let a podcasters do stuff they're gonna say well screw you
we're not going to collect for you to then you have to write an
exception for every podcast and now you're back to square one
net so like what you're saying is that that Paul Simon thing
that they were talking about it that can't just be an evergreen
podcast, they're gonna gonna have to have a limited run and
pull it
Yeah, and they're gonna have to police copies after the Oh yeah,
after the date. Sure.
That was additionally then see how that's worth it and going
through all the trouble I mean, like they're gonna sell to all
the money they
were late, but let's understand what's going on here. First of
all, they were in the midst of selling the whole catalog. So
that's always interesting for everybody even having an
interest in it is all these things are important. There's a
thing there's a greatest hits or a book or collection or
something was coming out so there's a marketing budget for
this as a reason for it. It's not just to make a podcast it's
just like, look at what are the what are the so called Top
podcasts even? What are the top earning podcast? I guarantee you
the top 10 is pretty much all combined with radio is what I
heard is the Sirius XM podcast they're selling radio ads with
podcast ads in a bundle Yeah, so so that's where all the money is
going that's because that's a real measurable thing that
people who are buying the buying the ad space they understand
radio this whole this whole all these mob they're dead but
there's so much money still flowing around and we have you
know we have a lot of people who are still all jacked up about
you know, getting bought by spout a Spotify will dream on
Dream on. There is a way forward and you can go count your your
Spotify pennies, but I guarantee any, any artists, I will
personally guarantee it with my own Satoshis you will make more
money value for value streaming SATs than you will on Spotify.
No, okay. I guarantee that I don't see how you couldn't and
in life because you're not getting the you're not getting
the the deal. You know, I mean? Like you're not getting the
Rogen color daddy deal. Those are, you know, I mean, the,
because those I mean, those are gonna be you know, $100 million
$60 million, whatever, that if you're, if you're outside of
that little cabal or whatever you want to know, I don't mean
that negative but like, if you're outside of that of those
exceptional, you know, single deals you're not. I mean, no,
it's the difference. Oh, it's a difference. Okay. Some podcasts
have great reach, you know, call it call me call me daddy or
whatever that came from barstool. So they had a lot of
people listening. And Rogan, lots of people listening this,
this is a metric for the old world. That's the world that
Spotify lives in Spotify lives in the metric world of royalties
in the old system. And they look at numbers, how high doesn't
have to be they have no way to even in their corporate brain to
consider value for value. Value for value is great, because you
can get this look, when your song is played on the radio, you
get as an artist exactly zero in America 000 radio has a carve
out they don't pay for playing your song on the radio. So if
you do value for value, and 1% of the people who are playing
your song for free actually pays you you're going to be ahead of
the game and in a big way. Much bigger than than in any other
any other way. And your musical get out there.
Yeah, the music, music as podcasts. To me, it's just, it's
just a no brainer.
Well, we need a different interface. Really, we need a
music kind of playing interface. And it should be limited to
music. Music feeds, right. So that because you know people are
very simple, they will never understand just like, let's not
let's be honest about it. Just like people don't go to Spotify
for podcasts because it's there for music. Very few people are
going to say, Oh, I'm gonna check out this song on my
podcast app. It's just not going to happen. Yeah, it'll happen.
You know, people say listen to my song this way, but it'll be
confusing. So we
the same way we get a new bus, Spotify, I guess. Yeah, exact
reverse.
Exactly. But Spotify can't just retool and make a make a
podcasting app. You have a whole bunch of reasons why that is.
But for sure any one of our developers could take what they
have right now. strip it down. rejigger stuff. So that, you
know, how do we use lyrics in the in the, in the transcript
tag this kind of stuff? Mm hmm. You know, how do we use album
art liner notes? Remember liner notes, you can do it for Song
per song, you can have an image, you can have a link to the liner
notes. Come on people. Do I have to come up with all the great
ideas?
Well, this brings me back the name the namespace. Yes. Phase
four, which closed submissions on December the first, okay, two
days ago. And as of right now, medium, the medium tag as in is,
isn't there?
Yes. And this would be a fun one. This would be an interface
switching mechanism. Possibly. Yes. So if it said media music,
Is that Is that an option? Yeah, media music, then the interface
might change. Yeah, or you wake up where you can sort by it. And
all the feeds are filter that filters through. But
yeah, yeah. So like you would have a you do a breeze type
thing. And so the breeze app, the breeze app only shows value
for value lightning streaming podcasts. It does not show the
entire podcast catalog,
which in hindsight, was a genius idea.
I think it was a great idea to I was really skeptical when he
when Roy first said that me too. And then he and he was he was
persistent. And he knew what he wanted. And you know what? It
was the right thing to do. I think I gradually for him. He
knows his audience. Yes, the deal. Well,
but if you look at the stats, you know the breeze people they
boost baby. Go Yeah, the breeze parent, they're constantly top
with fountain you know, they're always they're always at the top
of the Satoshis. flowing.
So on the names on the namespace, it looks like we're
going to have probably, I'm going to start working on that
this weekend. It looks like we're gonna have live item in
there. Yeah, recommendations. And medium is probably and
images. Cool. I'm probably going to drop gateway, because there's
too there's too much uncertainty about that. So images definitely
will be in there because that pod LP, which by the way, pod
lpm. I'm trying to get Tom to come on the show with us and
interview him. The developer that cuz he's really doing some
good stuff with POD LP on the Chi iOS app. And he's like, he
just put in transcripts.
I know it's I you know, I have a CK iOS platform.
Which one do you have? Nokia?
No, no, it's the it's the T Mobile. T Mobile sells at almost
a second.
Oh, yeah. The super cheap one, right. Yeah.
But it runs CK iOS. And now it's not 20. It's like 100 bucks.
It's the Alcatel go flip.
Three, because there's another Alcatel that's like, it's almost
the same, but it is super cheap. It's like 20 bucks. It's like i
It'll work on that, too. I think it'll work on that too. Yeah.
Yeah. It's, it's a great app. And so he's, he's looking
forward to the podcast images to
Kanye West is one of the biggest operating systems for mobile, I
think in India, and a whole bunch of other countries.
Is it? Yeah. Is it open source?
I think it Yes. I think it is. It is that is.
Is it Mozilla I think that's the Mozilla iOS? No, I thought it
came from
Let me see. i Oh, yes. It was it was a rescue. I thought it was a
Yeah. To Katie distribution.
Who really? Yeah. Well, Hong Kong. It was based on five
Firefox fork.
Yep. Now, Mozilla right. No doors Firefox. Oh, s. And after
that. Mozilla that became kernel. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
This is an it's a nifty little nifty little thing.
Yes. Yeah. It says it is open source. Source available. Yeah,
that that's so so he is looking forward to the images tag. An
image tag is good is really just a repurposed version of the HTML
five images tag. And so it's gonna, or in, right, I've
seen the I've seen the chatter about this year.
And so you can specify that in html5 tag, they came up with
this idea of being able to specify not just a source for
the image, but what they call a source set. So then you can have
on the source set is a comma delimited space delimited set of
image URLs, and the the format is something like Use source set
equals and then the first URL of an image space, the dimension,
and then comma, another URL space, the dimension of that
comma. And and you can just keep specifying. So you in that way,
with one, with one tag, you can specify, potentially, you know,
eight different resolutions of an image or pixel width of an
image to deliver with the feet at the same time to allow a
mobile unit like to allow scaling up or down to whatever
device screen width you're trying to deal with. If you
are listening to this podcast, and you're not a developer, and
you're just a casual user, please note what goes into the,
into these small little features that software developers make
for you.
Straight up, yeah, there's so much thought that has to go into
all this. And I don't even know I mean, kudos to, to pot LP for
even getting a transcript on those tiny loans.
No, right. That's crazy.
I mean, like a Nokia 8110. I mean, that thing's like, like a
postage stamp. Yeah, but, but that's, so I'll start probably
working on that this weekend, trying to move things around. Do
some do some cleanup on this, and then we'll start I'll start
making noise about which tags need need work. And then
hopefully, by the end of December, we'll be able to just
to have a final phase four. And and I'm excited about me because
me, medium. To me. That's a super important tag. Gotta have
that. Yeah. Well, you know, I got this the streaming radio
station guy all jacked and ready.
Mm, yeah. And live item, those two dogs. I mean, they, they go
together. Hey, and I'll
just say, Thanks, everybody for the cross app comments that's
really rockin.
Yes, it's everybody's doing.
Everyone's doing not really doing nothing. It's like, yeah,
it's there's something wrong with with the with the namespace
or it's to it's to, like it needs I've read maybe it should
focus just on activity pub, and not on anything else. And people
seem to be kind of not knowing which way to go. Because then
oh, you could use it with Twitter. But you can do it with
something. Just it seems like it's unclear what the direction
is. And as usual, we're all looking to you.
I really don't think it's that. I don't think it's a problem
with the spec, I think is a problem with activity pub. And
I'm not saying I don't when I say problem, I don't mean that
activity Pub is messed up. I just mean that a lot of people
don't understand how it works. And when you first start
learning activity pub, it's very similar to trying to learn
lightning. Lightning, okay, I gotcha didn't take off, you
know, this, the streaming payments didn't begin to get any
traction with the apps until LNP came along and made it a very
simple write. API, very simple process. And I think people, the
first thing you do when you're looking to in to implement
activity pub commenting, is you go and you look for the spec, we
look for the spec, and it sort of makes your eyes cross.
Because it's, it's just, you don't know how far to go? Are we
just going to display comments? Okay, well, am I gonna have, I'm
gonna have to put in an entire, like, the both ways here where I
can where I can post comment, I think there's just a little bit
of a sort of overload at the beginning, when you first start
to look into it. And that, that makes people sort of back off
and say, Well, you know what, I'm going to wait till somebody
else does it. And then look at what they did, and try to model
what I'm doing all of that. So I think what really has to happen
right now is there needs to be some example, code developed.
Maybe even in a mock podcast app, not even in real app, maybe
just some sort of mocked up app, where it shows developers what
to do, to Symp to to support it in a simplistic way. And I, you
know, I'm willing to do it, but it would be nice if somebody
else would take that job on and say, and just mock. Well, sir, I
mean, John Spurlock he built these building that feed, you
know, validator, and he put in, he put in the ability to suck
that stuff out the suck out the activity, post comments and
display them. Oh, that's not an app. That's just me, that's just
a website. But something like that. That was open source that
shows okay, if you want to support cross app comments in
your app, here's a little bit of sample code Maybe some, maybe
some Node js code or something, something that's very popular,
maybe something like that, or some Python code, there's
something you can do in your app. And here's what it looks
like. That would be ideal. And then because we've already got
enough, our feed, as doing it, Benjamin Bellamy's feed is doing
it. So we've got a couple of good test cases sandboxes for,
that you could test your app against, if you want to just
show the comments. To me, that's a great way to start, just show
the comments, you know, as a as a phase one, and then as a sort
of one point, you know, 1.1, upgrade, then look into posting
back and replies and that kind of thing. But if you even if you
just show the comments, they can begin to live somewhere else
when a fully compliant activity pops over. You don't have to do
the whole shebang yourself. Right. I would incur? I mean, it
sounds to me like we think that's it sounds to me, like we
got another Umbral app coming.
Okay, and that's a no from Dave.
I've got other stuff. I've got. I've got the API stuff I got to
do. Oh,
yes, yes. Yes, you do.
Boost. You know, you want to thank some folks. Oh, yeah,
sure. Yeah, I was gonna say I've got to get back to
Yes. I apologize. Apologies for the delay due to the equipment.
Oh, no, that's not. That's not right. No, what I'm saying is,
I've got to get back to working on the index,
I tell you to get back to work. Now. I thought you're No,
no, no, no, I've got to get back to the Index. Because we I've
been thinking about this for a while and a need to a better
pipeline. So as soon as I can get this help has stuff wrapped
up and get a little bit of progress on namespace. I'm going
to go back into some stuff I've been putting off for a while and
work on a better pipeline from the aggregators to the database.
And so that, and I'm going to rewrite so that the aggregators
is split up now into a polar and a parser. And I'm going to
rewrite the polar and something other than no J. S, because I
hate it so much. I hate the way they don't write it in C, man.
Do it in C No, no, no rust. It's all rocks all the way down. All
right. Okay, well, right out of the gate. Marco Arment $500 to
every month, like clockwork. Thank you, Marco. And that was a
PayPal donation cut bucks.
That is that is incredibly helpful. That's it. We're glad.
We're glad we have. We're glad to have you as a part of the
podcasting 2.0 family.
And that reminds me of something that I was going to talk about
last time, which was if you are asking podcast app developers,
for us to support podcasting 2.0 features. Don't be a dick. Like,
just just ask him. And
did we talk about this? I think we talked about it before we
left on vacation.
I don't know. I don't know if we did or not. Yeah, I think we
did. Yeah, just just just a gentle reminder. Don't Don't be
a jerk. Because, like,
yeah, no, I'll tell you what not to do. Hey, man, if you don't
put this podcast that you put on your app, I'm gonna I'm gonna
delete that. Yes, nice. Not cool. It's not it's not a good
way to get something done.
Yeah, and don't go leaving like one star reviews and stuff. And
he's just just don't do that. But every single
app developer listens, a good one listens to their users. And
if enough users say, Hey, I'd really love to see this. And
that's kind of I think, you know, I, I'm not a developer. So
you tell me, but I think someone's saying, Hey, have you
heard about this? I'd love to see this in the app. Isn't that
kind of all you need to do? Because you don't need to do any
more convincing? Because once there's 100 Of those, that's
when a developer goes, oh, you know, I should look at this.
Okay, every developer has a customer facing app is going to
be is going to balance their workload amongst different
priorities. Sometimes the priority is I've had a lot of
people ask for this thing. And so I'm going to do it. Sometimes
the priority is, I've had nobody asked for this thing, but I
think It's so cool that if I put if I put the time in and put it
in into my app, everybody's gonna love it. Right? Sometimes
it is, I see a problem on my side that you don't see a
structural problem in this in the way that my app is built, or
my service is built. And I really need to get down to brass
tacks and spend a couple of months or a few months fixing
this thing up before it bites me and you in the bud. Right.
Another possible thing is, there's a new thing coming out
that I need to get up to speed on. And I'm going to have to
take time to do that before I get before it bites me as well.
So something like, for example, something like moving from
Objective C to Swift. A lot of app Apple developers are have
had to make that transition over the last four or five years. I'm
spending a lot of time learning rust, because it's the language
that I'm that I want to spend more time in these days. That
takes it takes hours. It takes a long, it takes time. And that's
my priority. So anytime that you're dealing with dealing with
a developer, it's going to be one usually one of those four
things that are taking up whatever amount of his or her
time is, is currently being spent. And for you to get in
there and just start being a jackass about it. It's not going
to make it's not going to get you any sympathy whatsoever.
Because any sympathy that you would have is already there.
It's built into the system. And that that develops when somebody
emails me and says, Hey, I really want this thing. And I
always tell them oh, I'd love to do that for you. I'll do I'll do
my best I'll put it on my to do list. And it does go on the to
do list, but I can't tell you when that thing's gonna be I
just can't
Well, that's all very disappointing I can't get
anything done. Can't get anything out of you developers.
Nothing ever. Just shut up. Yeah.
No, just be nice. That's really the that's really the it's not
hard to be nice. Doesn't take a lot of effort.
That was our only PayPal donation. All right,
that's a problem. Well,
I mean, our only single donation we got not we got monthly.
Okay, and we have and we have booster grams, hopefully. Oh,
yeah, we got booster. I mean, I love the transition to the to
the digital, the digital version of value for value. But you
know, we people, you know, your numbers are lower than what you
used to do with tape. Just saying, just saying. We're okay.
We're okay. But you know, this is all liquidity for the whole
system. So
Well, Kelly Bear he gave us a baller boost of 100,000 sat holy
Oh, man,
no. Phone over. fell out of the impalas same time. Nice. Kelly
Bear is his podcast is the intergalactic?
He's always pleased he promotes the heck out of podcasts and 2.0
It's great.
He does. He loves us. He says I just share some sass to two cool
cats. Crinkle the paper Dave? We need that weekly ASMR injection.
Shout some SATs. I hadn't heard that one. I like it.
Awesome cow. Yeah, his show was great. Yeah, everybody here
listen to it. Thank you, buddy. See anonymous. Oh, we got an
anonymous boost through breeze. And it just says showing my son
how to boost. All right. Boost. 1000 cool, nice.
Thank you.
Able Kirby. Send us 5000 SATs nice. He says that's the curio
caster. He says some time ago line six. The guitar amp maker
on the line six. Big guitar maker was getting famous ish
guitar players to make branded presets on their amps amp
effects. Okay, a similar thing could be done for podcast DSP.
What about an effect module with a bunch of podcaster style
presets? Like a picture of their face and everything? Like Nick
the rat presets have water dripping in the background.
Okay, well, yeah.
By the way, I'm totally for creating a branded VST plugin
value for value, programming it and testing in 2022. That is
able.
Interesting. That's interesting.
Well, that is I don't know what he's mean. Okay.
Here's what I think he means. So VST plugins is an architecture
in audio devices is pretty open. But at this point, I think so
you could have a player, an audio player, and you can load
different effects in that you can do all kinds of things. But
you could also load a value for value plugin that would in
essence, fire off SATs from a wallet to, to wherever it needs
to go.
Oh, that's weird. So So VST is sort of like an open G. It's
like the OpenGL of audio.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to look at it. Yeah, I mean,
this is VST plugins. You've you've used them before. And you
can compressors limit. Yeah. So it's just an application. So I
think that's what do you mean? I like the idea.
I like it, too. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. drips. God gave us
10,000 sets. Oh,
man. drab.
He says I want my I want my MTBE. What was that?
What did that mean time Meantime, between episodes,
baby. Oh, that's. Tina says in the car to me. That's not his
real name is it? I don't. Here's the cool thing. I don't care
these Dred Scott. He's going to be Dred Scott for now for the
rest of rest of our days. You can't tell me his name is Pete?
That's not gonna work. It's Dr.
Jeff Scott, comma, Chapter guy.
Chapter architect chapter architect. There you go.
Kyron gay, Karen down gave us 1123 says and he says through
pod friend. He says not to worry, Adam. I usually hit
record as soon as the initial pleasantries are done with only
meant that I would clarify small things. how long we'd go for Oh,
my guest today? Yeah, my interview was today.
Okay. Just so you're not coming in completely blind. So you're
you they've already done it. Or you know,
it's four o'clock today. Four o'clock? Nice. Yeah,
well, trouble experience.
What um, he's like, I really want to ask you different
things. You've been interviewed so many times. I'm like, Okay,
let's see if he comes up with something different.
He's good interview.
I can't wait. I'm very excited.
Eris statica gave us 2376 SATs. I says booster grounds for
Italia.
Oh yeah, we need to we need an Italian booster Graham we got
the we have France French and now as the French say it is
timeful
loosed.
We need an Italian boost.
We'll get Did you hear that? I can't get Willow to do
of course I can Yeah.
Franco he can do it. He's a podcaster
Franco what a horror man he went right on pod land after he was
on. Marketing hor Franco.
I knew I knew that.
He knew he was scheduled.
I knew that Sam was trying to get him on the show. And I was
like, I was like, man, if they scooped us, I'm gonna be so
pissed.
What I liked is his story was so similar. The way he explained
stuff and he was just it was it was very interesting to hear
him. retell most of the other things, but most of the story
was good. I was just laughing like now man. Seriously?
We got him first guy. Random
competition. We're all competing for the same for the same girl.
Yeah. CASS Pentland 3300 sets through fountain and he just
says thanks. Thank you. You're welcome cast is cast feelin is
that A is that
could be Dutch. Yeah. Is it Ks?
Yeah. K s.
Oh, no. I mean, that may not be okay. Or is it gay? Yes. Be sure
it's an A and not two E's.
Yes. A K A. K s and then p
Okay. AKA. This horrible. That's cost that means cheese. In Dutch
Yeah. K s is cost is cheese. And what's the last minute P
P and P e la nd Candyland
she's P land all right, man. He will never be boosting again.
That's for sure.
She's feeling what? What's What's the P Land of the Duchess
of the Netherlands dude. Rotterdam.
Oh yeah. I have to tell you off air why that is very funny. Okay
it's no longer for public discussion.
Thank you cheese be Marcy sent us 5453 sets and he says a good
numbers. Thank you. found through found nice to switching
apps again as my new podcast app is frozen in playback as at 54
minutes and 53 seconds.
Oh no. Oh no.
I like this though. Give us a play by play of all the bugs in
your pocket.
Yes boosts
yes yes boost.
Exactly. Great idea.
Jon's BRT says gave us 4900 SATs through fountain and he says
shout out Commodore 64
Yay. The Sinclair ZX one salute you.
See, he was the CEO of Commodore, that famous guy.
I don't remember was that Scott? There wasn't scaly before Apple,
was it?
No, no. See Commodore 64 See what the Wikipedia says is? His
name is like on the tip of my tongue.
Jack Traumeel.
No. Well, let's see. 1984
Ben from via Dutch guy. They've been around a long time.
Yeah, I was thinking about like, with the height of their, you
know,
I remember the Vic. Vic 20. Man, I love that machine.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, you you were evict 20 guests. Yeah, I was. I
was a little bit lighter than that. I was the 64 in the 60.
Right era. Yeah, this was the this was an eight key I think it
was trying to think like, came in as the CEO shirt wasn't
Traumeel I thought that that was
the gateway may have been Yeah, that may have been wrong
the rhadigan Maybe Matt rhadigan Thomas Ratigan that was when the
Amiga came out.
Oh, no, no, this this would have been totally in the sea 64 days
and this is the guy that did let them down. Like let them down
the wrong path. I don't know. I'll figure it out. I'm no
genius since 1611 and 11 SATs and he says go podcasting. Yeah,
I can't wait for us to see I can't wait for us to convert
over to Satoshis as the main currency Max maximalist very
wealthy if we value at one for one with Fiat Yeah,
we Oh, well. That's why now is the time to boost us because
then you know, Bitcoin is in the mid 50s. This is the time to
help us out.
Yeah. Comic Strip blogger. Oh, comms making a donation. 1333
cents. Okay. What does he want? Greetings from comic strip
blogger. You see, you should have read this note in the
Comstor. But hold on a second
comic strip.
She has his own
comic strip. Comic Strip, comic strip, comics, comic strip.
Okay, love your bloggers. Greetings from comic strip
blogger.
Blogger, I'm sorry,
to podcasting 2.0 podcast, and anybody interested in artificial
intelligence is welcome to subscribe and listen to the
podcast called AI cooking that can be found in all podcast apps
and in all podcast indexes by searching for AI cooking yo, yo,
yo, yo, AI. This is big, because this means he's adding himself
as the host of AI cooking podcast. Yeah, he's
an innocent. He's never made a direct donation to any podcast
as far as I know, not a direct monetary donation. He's, of
course provided years of endless entertainment for the shows I'm
involved in. And I mean that sincerely is this. He's a
legend. He's a podcast legend. To Ben Rogers. Small smalls is
gone.
Oh, Roger smalls, that name. Sounds familiar.
Yeah. Yeah. He was, uh, he was a fan. And he would follow me
yesterday. Yeah. But he would follow me and he would do all
kinds of weird stuff. They would call in and he had been rooting
through my trash and it was great. Oh, great. That's great.
He was he was fantastic. Roger roger Smalls.
Thank you. Mr. Varga, blogger Paul Saltzman gave us a tu tu tu
tu
Yeah, yeah, I know his number.
Adding to my cookbooks boosts
like how you do it Dave booze
drips God again 30,000 SATs
Holy crap.
Boosting the donation segment because I got excited hearing
David Norman's name during the month lease. Another great show,
go podcasting.
You know, I have a feeling now. Drip Scott must be married rich.
Because he doesn't he doesn't seem to do anything except
chapters for all All podcasting 2.0 podcast, the money he gets
from his splits he sends right back
with interest. Yeah, verse interest
I'm not quite sure. I love you Dred Scott. You are seriously
you've been a big part of moving everything forward the chapter
work is stellar. It makes a huge difference in promoting this.
Maybe he got in early on the reverse mortgage game.
Now he probably is a Bitcoin guy who's yeah sitting on on a
couple of you know, couple couple 100 million SATs
Martin from pod friend Hey Martin. Hello 1000 SATs of
course through the pod friend app and he says via from podcast
index dot social informed me of a visual bug on the boost
button. So to recreate I am now paying the podcast index for the
privilege of debugging pot free and yes. I also
debugging with close to grams, it's perfect as it gets. This is
the way to go.
I endorse this wholeheartedly. Yell Ostrowski. And send us 3000
SATs and he says Long live the revolution yours shouldn't be in
French. She said that in French. I don't know what Long Live is
but the revolution Oh
Viva la revolution. Yes, that
thing. Three
Viva Viva Viva will be Spanish Viva La la la la evolutional.
Comstor blogger may have sent us to two separate donations for
3333 Even though the the message is exactly the same. So I'm
going to give him two credits. Because I may have been twice
okay.
You know, I think I saw no, no, I wouldn't have seen that so
well. Hey, thank you very much.
Booze. Exactly the same message. Thank you Mr. Bogert, even if it
was on accident, see, so go see his AI cooking, give it a shot,
monthly donors, Duane Goldy $8 Thank you, oh, Erskine. $11.14.
Always the same amount. Michael Gagan $5 James Charles current
$5 James Sullivan $10 Shawn McCune $20 Christopher Raymer
$10 Jordan dunville gave us $10 Stew coats Satan himself gave us
$6.66 dribs got $15 drip is all over the place today. Jeff
Miller $20 Leslie Martin $2 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Aaron
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and Mark Graham $1
Thank you all so much. This is a what is a comic strip bloggers.
Podcasting. I'm gonna put it in the show notes.
Ai dot cooking AI. And I believe I may be wrong, but he I believe
he's hosting on Anchor. Oh,
of course. I've known him for a long time. I can say these
things. Yes. He says horrible things about me from time to
time. It's our relationship. It's always been like this.
And I couldn't Yes, it's of course I forgive. I forgive you.
prematurely.
Why do you dislike I got a note from megaphone today. Did you?
Oh, yeah. You want to hear this?
I've been putting ads on your podcast without you know,
man, I'm telling you now. It was it was actually it was better
than that. It was it was one of those, you know, hey, we got we
got the whole database of podcasts. So oh, we're gonna
strip out all these email addresses. And we're gonna do a
mass marketing campaign. And I just wonder where would you
think they scraped them themselves? Or is there there's
got to be a database now that is just out in circulation. There's
being resold, don't you think?
I'm sure but but one thing is can one thing you can be sure of
is not coming from us because we do not publish. We have all the
email addresses of everything. But we do not make them public
at all and never will. That's gross. And we're never doing
that. I don't want to be somebodies source for marketing.
Garbage.
Oh my goodness. No, no, no, no. I might have deleted it. That's
too bad. It was it was basically Hey, I've been listening to no
agenda and I really love it. I think we could really work with
you on some white here it is. Okay, this megaphone. This is
from Alison Klein. Oh, this is even more interesting. Spotify.
Space X space, no agenda Monitor. Hi zation
opportunities. I shall read this in the voice of Allison. Allison
Klein publishers Solutions Associate. And she has a an
Allison kay@spotify.com email. Hi, Adam. My name is Alison, I
work on the megaphone business development team at Spotify,
exclamation mark. I'm super impressed by no agenda and would
love to discuss opportunities for monetization through
megaphone. In case you're not familiar, megaphone. Yes. Do
you think she's ever actually listened to it?
I mean, maybe she missed the part where we say we have no
advertisements no commercials, no creepy money from China or
other corporations. Maybe she missed that. But she says in
case I'm not familiar, megaphone is Spotify is podcast technology
platform, Pa o that helps creators publish, measure and
monetize their podcasts. Some other top networks like I heart,
Wall Street Journal and ESPN are using megaphone to manage their
podcasts and drive revenue for remnant ad inventory who am at
the bottom of the barrel. By connect it get the scrapings
left the leftover
like connecting with that you can't sell right that's exactly
that's yeah, connecting with Spotify network of advertising
partners, also known as the Spotify Audience Network.
Apparently they own the audience. I'd love the chance to
learn more about your show and discuss a few options for
monetization. Let me know if there's a good time connector
feel free to grab some time on my calendar. Oh wait there's a
link who does this Well, welcome to my scheduling played page
please follow the instructions Oh my follow up and put it on
the show.
We should interview and see if we can sell our remnant
podcasting 2.0 inventory what remnant in the in regard remnant
on radio is the like three o'clock in the morning stuff
right?
Yeah, this is thing think I think this is so you have you
have spots left you basically you can't fill your ad slots. So
I need to find something and then they have some drivel that
you know is going to be below quality the advertisers and will
probably be a very low CPM.
Li Shan like ShamWow guy or something like that. That would
be two o'clock. Yeah, that
would be infomercial, but not just who knows just cheap shit.
Just cheap shit. Yeah, that's
yeah, we should sell it. We should sell some podcasting. 2.0
inventory slots? No. is what megaphone should do for us? Our
monetization strategy?
Yeah, well, not everything in the world is about monetizing.
See the job we're doing here.
Some of it's about poverty. Yeah.
Do we have anything else for our board meeting here before
everyone files out and grabs a coffee and a doughnut on the way
out?
Well, I've got some really funny stuff about NF T's. Oh, okay.
And how stupid that thing is, but next week,
okay, because that'll give Brian of London some time to get ready
to take notes to excoriate you.
Well, he's got no what he'll do is he'll he'll code up a hive to
NFT gateway, or some some crap that like, Bitcoin shoots out in
fts. The other side, I gotta tell you, man running on his
mom's laptop.
There's there's two people who keep me yammering at me about NF
T's one is comics read blogger. And the other one is Mo. Mo's,
like there's something here I'm I want to do something with
this. Okay.
Okay, let's talk about it next week. Because you hear how this
stuff happens.
Oh, yeah. No, I Okay, we'll do that next week. Thank you,
everybody. Thanks for for sticking around and waiting a
little bit for the board meeting due to technical difficulties.
We'll be back again. Next Friday. Do once again give you
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