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podcasting 2.0 for October
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rocket in your pocket? Now,
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you know, time once again for a
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course we got the namespace it's
all here you're all welcome to

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coffee is warm. I'm Adam Curry
here in the heart of Hill

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Country, Texas and in Alabama,
the man who should be fluent in

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Korean by now, my friend on the
other end legend, gentlemen, Mr.

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Dave Jones.

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Why Korean?

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What Aren't you still exporting
a database for Samsung? Oh,

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no, no, no, no, that's not for
Samsung. Oh, no, no, no, that

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was that was nest for top
secret. Cut. Well, if we were

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going to do this and indictment
heartlands, it would be a top

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secret technology company for

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Oh, is that NDA speak?

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That's how you talk when you
when you indict people and then

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redact everything.

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Oh,

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yes. Technology executive to

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unindicted unindicted co
conspirator. I kind of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, totally. So what's,
what's your sound issue going?

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Oh,

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my goodness. Well, I decided,

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well, I walked in and it said, I
can do this. I can noticeably

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tell that it sounds different.
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Well, and that's part of the
problem. You sound kind of

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boomy. By the way do you change
something in your I

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don't think so. No. This is this
any different right here? If I

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get up if get it real clear?

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Yeah. Get up close. Yeah, that
sounds much better. Yeah. Yeah.

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You got this. You got to fix
that thing. Man fisted

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and wrapped up in its grill? Oh,
yeah.

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That's great. Yeah. So the task
cam mix cast for became

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available.

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And I Oh, the thing, this is the
thing you were thinking about

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getting?

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Yeah, this is exactly the thing
I was thinking about getting. So

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I get the thing I was thinking
about getting and, and I hope

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and I'm really jacked. I'm
really happy about all this,

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like, Oh, this thing is gonna be
great. Well, there's some

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there's some false advertising
or things that were advertised

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as features that I thought was
exactly what would make it a

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great thing, a great device to
reduce cables and boxes, etc.

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Well, let me tell you what the
problem is. So it's very much

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like the road caster. You know,
with the assignable cart, cart

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buttons, you can put jingles in
there. It's got four

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microphones, the sounds for the
microphones and the preamps. And

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all the processing is
impressive. Totally cool.

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There's no there's no noise at
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super clean.

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Oh, yeah, well, but here, but I
can't, you know, the part of my

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sound is actually for it not to
be so super clean. But that's a

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secondary story. So the way that
chain works, is and it also has

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a has a Bluetooth, input and
output, it has a T RS or

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alternatively a line in and
separate line out and USB. So

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what you always want is you want
after, you know, each individual

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channel has to have its own
effect, its own compressor,

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limiter, and EQ. And then on the
total mix, you want to also have

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a compressor limiter, which is
usually subtle, but it's very

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important, because that's really
what helps you with the mix.

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Particularly if you're doing
live stuff, you want everything

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a little bit on autopilot,
right, you don't want to be

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riding the faders the whole
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compressor limiter will do. It's
like a leveler. In essence, the

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way I like to configure them, it
also kind of affects the sound a

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bit little bit makes it more
exciting. And you know, that's

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that's neither here nor there.
So I thought that they had that.

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And they don't, what it says is,
oh, you can there's a limiter

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for when you record, but that
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recording, you say okay, I so it
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compressor limiter. And then
when it writes it to disk at the

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very end the writing to disk,
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part, so you don't hear that. So
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fundamentals that that's not in
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that's a huge, huge problem. So
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because it comes out so that
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stream that way.

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Exactly, exactly. So so that
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I can pull it through a
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close to what I like. The
problem is when you're doing the

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actual recording, the levels are
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distracting all sudden you blow
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a compressor limiter would fix
that so now I have external

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boxes really just for my
headphones but I'm also

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recording it on a separate
machine on audacity just to see

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if how that sounds I'm also
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card Problem number two I was
delighted that it had a noise

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gate on the USB interface
because then I can actually

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bring in my buddy Dave through
clean feed which needs the you

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need you know it needs to talk
to USB but if you want to record

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from the USB you're getting the
mix minus signal so if I want to

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record yeah it's if I want to
record on Hindenburg my favorite

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editor it's not going to get
that unless you put it into a s

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i o mode but then you hit you
then you're forced to record you

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know all the tracks at the same
time you got to go you know then

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I guess you got it you can edit
it and that learn a new editor

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so I just want an additional
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final compressor limiter that I
can just send to any any

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recorder Yeah, those two things
by itself will be phenomenal and

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and also there's no granular
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just nothing talk music so I
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your voices there's some things
but it should just be every

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channel should be identical
compressor limiter noise gate EQ

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that's it and now I don't know
how powerful the processors in

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this thing if they can put it
all in there but man that would

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make it perfect because now I
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rack box outside of this thing
with wires hanging off it the

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exact opposite of what I wanted

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to say this to me you've made
you've made this thing this is

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worse now this is worse than it
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and well yeah no because I
really love that I only had two

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cables to connect you know I
connected the USB and then I

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connected the laptop's audio out
analog audio out jack to the

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line in of you know so so that's
how I do all my my effects and

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the carts etc and yeah i mean
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with really just a couple wires
but now I have to have this

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whole chain out of the back
running through the compressor

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limiter then into an amplifier
and just I mean I'm sure you can

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have noise you know like all
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with this recording but anyway
something that is cool

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dogs have the voice of God in
case I need to solve it dude

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holy crap you know the
compressor delimiter is not is

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not on the line now that God but
the god voice is so much more

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and that's and that's you know
so then there's all kinds of

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nuance like you know the mix
minus that I'm sending to you It

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also has no compressor limiter
so you're getting levels all

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over the place you're not
hearing me the way I'm hearing

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me

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yeah this isn't it's not you
sound you sound much different

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than what you normally sound
like I mean like it sounds like

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it's a very it's clean and crisp

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in a disturbing way like not in
the good way it's not it's not

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clean and crisp like an in like
an NPR it's clean and crisp like

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a like unprocessed

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oh really I wonder if you're
getting it before the processing

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I don't know maybe cuz it sounds
like there's no noise I mean the

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noise is zero yeah but it's it's
almost like it's like you said I

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mean there's no that it's an
island now that I hear it yeah

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it compared to what you used to
be I think there was a little

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bit of graininess to the old one

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oh this is definitely cleaner,
no doubt about it. And also I

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had a lot of wires connecting to
stuff so then the final thing

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and then I'll shut up about it
the built in recorder is

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actually quite nice you know
just got a 16 gig card in there

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can do 1010 hours of recording

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that's like one episode of MO
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Exactly. It has a mark button
which is easy to access so if

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you know that's like oh that's
an added point hit the mark

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button and I would use that
thing exclusively. But believe

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it or not, it's when you use the
built in recorder you can't

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switch memory banks on the the
eight buttons that you use for

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stuff like snow so I've got
those all loaded up. And I know

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why technically because you know
it's it's it's recording to the

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SD card and I don't think you
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and read from them in high speed
at the same time. Because that's

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where the where the cart files
are stored. But it's ridiculous

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so you know I have I loaded up
eight banks filled with eight

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with eight different jingles and
I was like, oh, cool, I can

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switch between them. But you
can't, you can only select one.

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And you and then you can't move
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recording.

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So, what do you know?

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I'm sorry.

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Do you? Did you get my clips?

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Yeah, I got your clips. Yeah, I
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only heard what do you know?

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But what do you know? What do
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day? It's like, so how much was
this device? It

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was five 590 959. But if, if
anyone is listening task cam,

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I'm so happy to help and advise
you on how to make this thing

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kick ass because it's so close.
And road won't listen to Don't

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Don't be like road test cam.

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And that's the that's the PR
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road. What What is the? What is
the issue there? Is it a

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hardware issue? Is that a chip
thing? Or is that just soft all

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software.

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You mean with the with the

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with with the limiter on what
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that's all software. If the
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software, I mean, I really only
need well, desperately I need

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one compressor limiter that I
can hear before it goes out of

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the chain. And then I'd love to
have a compressor limiter for

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the mix minus. And I'd love to
have more granular controls for

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compressor on the USB and the
line input. I mean, it would

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just be copy paste. In essence,
the way I see it in the code is

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like okay, copy, paste, boom.
Now you got that over here. I

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don't know if it there's a cost
is a real cost to how much

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processing is done.

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Yeah, yeah, I think you know,
like, I guess all that stuff now

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is just, even the real time
stuff is all software. I mean,

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the the big problem is USB and
that's why I'd really love to

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have a non mixed mine is USB
feed that I can stick back into

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the computer to record but man
is USB C and USB is so messed

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up.

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It's never worth

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it's an you know, don't plug it
into a hub, whatever you do.

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Oh yeah, I've never even looked
for USBC hubs, but I bet you

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they're total garbage.

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So I spent about an hour and a
half last night with Brett

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Weinstein.

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Oh, yeah. I got put in his node
thing is more. Yeah, it's.

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So Brett Weinstein. A whole
bunch of people were tweeting

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him saying hey, you know, you
got to hook up with Adam Curry.

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And so I followed him and I
said, Hey, Dean, you know,

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whatever, happy to help. And
then he DM me and he gave me his

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his number and so we were
texting back and forth and he

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said, You know, I was talking
with Joe Rogan about you it's

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really interesting what you're
doing and so okay, well, why

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don't we get on to podcasting?
2.0 thinking, maybe you'll start

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with some simple stuff, you
know, showing some chapters,

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etc. And then he says, Look, I
got an umbral note so what

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I mean like no baby steps, you

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gotta you gotta reload.

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Anyway, straight for the
juggler.

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And so he said, Well, okay, and
so I'm trying to I wrote down I

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sent him to value for value.io,
which he had not read by this

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morning. But anyway, he was able
to find his node ID because he'd

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never used he has no had no
channels open on his notes.

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Maybe he's only using it for on
chain. I'm not sure. Or maybe

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just thought was a pretty,
pretty thing to have in his

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house.

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are quite beautiful. Yeah.

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I was like, I'm looking through
the through the thread here,

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because it was pretty funny. And
by the way, Brett Brett

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Weinstein is very, very popular.
podcaster and it

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seems like a nice guy to like,
for anytime I've ever heard him

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interviewed, he seems like a
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Yeah. And he and his wife had
that they do the show together.

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And they you know, they had Dr.
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talking about ivermectin, and
then he got kicked or

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demonetised and I think kicked
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that was a big hit to their
income because they they already

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got run out of Northwestern
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was the biology professor who
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participate with Western I
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no waving down. It was what was
it? Simon green? No, I thought

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it was Northwestern.

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Oh, yeah, maybe maybe, right?
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And so, you know, anyway, in
from the text messages here, by

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the way, my umbral servers up
and running fuck fiat currency

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and the fractional reserve at
wrote in on Poland. Yeah, so. So

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I'm like, okay, so Hey, your
Umbra will be good stacking SATs

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every single minute. Anyway, so
We get it all working you put

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the block in, I opened up
channels and and it all works

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and then you know, so I say this
morning so Okay, so should be

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working and this is very
interesting Hold on a second.

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Okay as it's working to that's
excellent I do see them but

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despite knowing what SATs are I
don't quite see what is causing

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them to flow in my direction.
Where do you have to stream for

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from for that to happen and
where are they coming from?

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And he's a guest apps calm.

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Yeah, so I again I said look at
value for value data. Oh, and

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because that just explained
simply what was going on. And

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then I did a screen recording
just before we started the show.

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And he's like, holy crap, I
said, Yeah, it'll blow your

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mind. So this is the kind of guy
who could really bring in a

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whole new slew of podcasters an
audience he has half a million

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Twitter followers, you know, so
he's,

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well, you know, he's got a voice
crazy that he had an umbral

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before ever even knew what the
heck he was doing with it. It's

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like how do you end up how do
you end up with a device in your

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house that you're just like okay
cool well I'm

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gonna does a lot It does have
other things that I've looked at

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the number like tried to install
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failed I think the Docker issues
set up for Raspberry Pi or

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whatever so I had to give up you

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can do like owncloud and all
that stuff with it too right

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yeah that's what I yeah and and
you know some more open source

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ish home automation

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Well, this brain This brings me
to a interesting topic. I was

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listening to the mere mortals
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that a lot and that's a great
chance to listen to that Yeah.

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And they they were talking about
needing some jingles for their

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booster grams segment and then
also and then I listen to pod

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land yesterday and James was
saying that you know he's like

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oh we need you know he needs
some gene jingles you know there

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ought to be like we should have
like a like a starter like a

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jingle booster Graham starter
pack that says download the

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starter pack. Do your own it's a
blister

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pack you punch you punch it
through Yeah, let me get this

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tasty little little jingle Yeah,
okay, so we'd have everybody

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needs yet one and we got that
one. Boost. Boost you know you

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want to and then everybody's
favorite.

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And now as the French say, it is
time for loose nnessee Benjamin

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Graham started the boost gram
corner. Yeah, starter pack. You

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know, that gives everybody what
they need we ever can

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we actually have a couple more.
We have two streams. Yeah,

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they're all good. Okay. Should
we put that on the GitHub?

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Yeah, there should be a repo or
like a repo.

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Is there an easy way for me to
learn how to do the repo I just

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I never got into it. No, okay.
Thank you. Okay, here's I will

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zip them up and send them to you
Dave repo away.

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Now you can you can do a git
GitHub isn't is not famous for

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being for being screwed. So good
luck with that.

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Yeah, I was also listening to
pod land and it was and by the

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way I think value for value
streaming has just taken over

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the language it's like those
guys start off with boosting and

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all kinds of podcasting 2.0
talking i'm i'm proud I'm proud

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of the the propaganda has worked
the proper indoctrination. How

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much have we sent to James
combined in the past year we

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probably spent hundreds of
dollars trying to get his

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attention maybe worse boost
boost boost.

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But yeah, it works getting
getting people's attention

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always works with money. But

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they were talking about the
apple the new and it's not

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called a VPN, whatever it is the
their yellow cloaking service. I

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forget what it's called. Yeah,
private relay,

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private relay, man. You got to
be crazy not to think that

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that's not going to happen to
podcasting. An apple is at war

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with any any advertising
tracking, they're at war with

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it. It's all across the board, I
guess. And I don't see why they

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would spare podcasting. They
they clearly put their stake in

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insert in the subscription
model.

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Well, now they have a reason not
to spare it. Exactly. Now. Now

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they'll have they have their
their private subscriptions. And

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then not only do they have that,
that technology running, they're

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now starting to pump out stats
about how many subscribers they

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had.

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Yeah, that shows you that shows
you where they move. And so

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don't count on them on them not
blocking that out

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yeah probably they private relay
everybody else and they'll say

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oh well we can't make any money
well yeah you can come over here

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to come over here to Apple
subscriptions now you can make

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some money over here and you
don't have to worry about and we

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have guess what we have stats

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yeah and what we really should
figure out the the proper way to

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do it value for value is we
should figure out some kind of

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subscription type system which
may happen with bolt 12 I guess

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where you can have different
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Well I want to I want to pitch
this to our guest I've got I

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want to I want to lay out my
idea for the for my paywall No,

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my own source paywall hmm well
and finally finally going to

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take the take the cover off

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Do you already want to bring our
guests in and so we can I mean,

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I guess she's not Do you think
he's properly dressed? It's kind

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of

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like if the hoodie is a little

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improper for a sandals or weird
man

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I mean, I guess the board is
we're a little more modern than

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we used

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to be. All right, let's bring
him in right now. Welcome to the

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roundtable the founder CEO and I
think the guy who does pretty

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much everything at voltage
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Graham

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critic.

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Hey guys, how's it going?

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Graham did Graham Did I
pronounce that correctly?

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kurzick Crazy

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Crazy close enough I mean
there's a lot of different ways

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to say you could you could say

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Graham you've been an important
part of the podcasting 2.0 story

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from the get go You were there
with your fantastic voltage

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service hosted nodes very very
happy with with the with all the

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service we've we've been able to
get from from you. The nodes are

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solid the services I'm we know
in enlightening land there's one

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man who does not sleep and
that's you. Yeah, I mean you're

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always awake it doesn't I'm in
Amsterdam, Graham's there. You

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know, just one message. I mean,
do you sleep with your phone

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just in case to Adam has to have
a PSM question that will resolve

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itself otherwise? Yeah, I

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mean, it's just for you man.
it's uh it's But no, I mean that

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I think I've mentioned it before
that uh, you know when you're in

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this a revolution that we're in
there's no time for sleep we got

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a lot to get done right

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there man is a hell of a lot to
get done. Why would you tell

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everybody about voltage? How you
started it because it seems to

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me like you're kind of a cloud
guy you come from and you know,

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of course everyone's younger
than me but young guy and how

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you got from more the cloud
computing side into the

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lightning cloud I guess you'd
call it cloud computing but to

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the lightning side and and and
and the podcasting part and what

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else you know drove you to this
point

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yeah, for sure. Really kind of
the the journey I think the

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journey really started for me
with Bitcoin um, I found Bitcoin

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in 2012 by hearing about it
through like the Silk Road

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really what fascinated me about
that was the the entire peer to

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peer aspects of that and how you
know, you hear people you know,

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selling drugs on the internet or
whatever, but I

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was buying them

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Yeah, well, it was like for me
it was like how is it possible

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like yeah, like there's this
makes no sense like there's got

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to be someone in the middle
that's you know, just scooping

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people up off the street as soon
as they get get delivered or

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something. So I start looking
into like, you know, how is this

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literally you know, possible and
that's where I really found out

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about Bitcoin, Tor, PGP
encryption, all of this you

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know, the technology that was
powering that and I was really

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just kind of hooked from there
just the this really amazing

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technology that has you know,
just such a broad use case it

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can really change a lot of
things for us. But that was I

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was when I was in college, let
your college graduate and went

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right, you know, into software
engineering. And that's what

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I've done through most of my
career as a software engineer,

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specifically in a public cloud
infrastructure so I'm very

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familiar with you know, clouds
and servers and all those those

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things on the back end. And
Bitcoin has always been a hobby

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of mine through the you know,
through that whole process it's

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always been something I've
looked at contributed to Bitcoin

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Core a little bit always doing
you know, open source projects,

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things like that. And then
summarizing it up to you know,

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or beginning of last year, I
started looking into what, what

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is kind of next for Bitcoin,
right? What is the Where are we

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going to take this thing next,
and that was obviously the

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lightning network. And so I
started to get more involved in

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that and I think that was even
before umbrella or any of these

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things were around and I was
trying to set up a note at home

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and it was like, it was real
painful. It was

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I, what year was that?

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It would have been end of 2019 I
think, okay, yeah, it's probably

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around in between. 19th I
started looking at this and and

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yeah, it was like, even as a
technical software engineers,

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like getting a node up and
running was like, it was

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difficult. Um, and so that's
where I started, you know, I did

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it in the cloud. So on a cloud
server got everything up and

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running, it was much easier to
do there. And that's when I

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started looking at this idea of
like, Well, you know, someone's

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got to be providing this as a
service, right? People can't all

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just be configuring go
applications on Raspberry Pi's

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at home. What that was actually
the truth is that everyone was

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doing that there was no new
service for it. And that's where

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I kind of had the idea for
voltage and just kind of worked

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on the platform myself just as
as in my free time as a hobby

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for a little while. And it just
kind of flourished from there.

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We're just getting feedback on a
lot of people liked it. And, you

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know, over time, it kind of
turned into a full fledged

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company. And now we're, you
know, doing really cool things

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like podcasting. 2.0

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How many people in the
organization gram?

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We have a total of 10 people now
holy, moly, real hell?

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Yeah. Yeah. I

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mean, we've been growing. And we
got people all over the world,

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actually, which is, you know,
the other cool thing about you

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know, Bitcoin is that unites us,
you know, no matter where you're

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at. So that's been a really cool
thing to work with people from

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all, you know, all walks of life
all over the world.

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And so how many nodes are you
running?

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Ah,

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we don't necessarily publicly
disclose the number of nodes,

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but I mean, it's in the 1000s
Okay.

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Wow. And that's all just from
podcasting. 2.0

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you guys, you guys are a big
influence will say that. Well,

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the really the system is just so
rock solid, you know, there's

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now of course, you're here
because we have an entire wish

449
00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:47,850
list of stuff we need.

450
00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:52,200
You give me that list on air,
right? And I gotta promise every

451
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,160
pretty much

452
00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:57,240
goes, yeah. Yeah, you're in the
boardroom. Man. This is like,

453
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,260
this is how it works.

454
00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:03,480
So like, I don't think people
understand probably, what you

455
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,370
had to do to get these voltage
to get these lnd nodes,

456
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:11,610
lightning nodes running in a
cloud in a cloud environment in

457
00:27:11,610 --> 00:27:13,860
a safe way. Because when you
first think of that, you're

458
00:27:13,860 --> 00:27:16,800
like, Okay, we're going to spin
up a whole bunch of cloud, cloud

459
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,500
copies of lnd. What could
possibly go wrong? You know,

460
00:27:19,620 --> 00:27:22,620
that? The The first thing you
think of is, I mean, gosh, this

461
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:26,550
is just like prime hacking
territory. So you've done a

462
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:30,600
think if I've, if I understand,
right, you've done some

463
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:36,690
hardening on l&d itself, in sort
of in you sort of have a wrapper

464
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,730
around l&d so that you can do ip
whitelisting. And can you? Can

465
00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:44,280
you kind of like give a
thumbnail sketch of what you all

466
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,770
have done to make that safe?
Yeah, for sure.

467
00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:49,020
Yeah, I mean, you're exactly
right, that that's something

468
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,720
that when I was designing the
platform I didn't want to do was

469
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,990
just kind of throw up lnd into
the cloud, and you know, have it

470
00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:58,650
run like it does at home,
because that's the threat models

471
00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,280
of those two areas are very
different. And so as I was

472
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,020
developing the platform, we I
worked a lot on l&d internally

473
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:11,610
to submit some prs. And to do
more encryption on like the Tor,

474
00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:15,390
private keys, a TLS, private
keys, anything, anything that

475
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:18,900
was essentially private or
sensitive was encrypted to you

476
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:21,930
know, the wallet seed. So
there's nothing on disk, there

477
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:25,110
is also a PR and lm D called
stateless in it, I won't get

478
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:27,570
into like the nitty gritty
details of that, but it

479
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:30,270
essentially allows you to, you
know, return all of the

480
00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:33,270
credentials in the
initialisation requests, instead

481
00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:37,020
of writing them to disk, which
was done previously. So given

482
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:40,440
all these things that we've done
with the nodes, there's nothing

483
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,190
that is like sitting on distance
unencrypted, or that, you know,

484
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:47,100
we could see we the nodes that
we run, we can't see inside of

485
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,250
them, we can't see your
channels, your balances anything

486
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:52,800
like that. So we you know,
they're essentially black boxes

487
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,130
to us even. And we did a lot
with that on like our front end

488
00:28:56,130 --> 00:29:00,090
dashboard to to make that a
really seamless integration to

489
00:29:00,090 --> 00:29:03,510
where our dashboard kind of
communicates both with our API's

490
00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:06,150
to create your know, do all of
those things, but then it's also

491
00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:09,810
talking directly to your node,
when it's initializing it,

492
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:13,860
unlocking all of these things,
so we never see your password.

493
00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:16,440
We don't know what your password
is to your node, we can't unlock

494
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,580
it, we can't do any of those
things. So really, we took a

495
00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:25,260
very, very security first way of
writing these nodes for exactly

496
00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:28,860
what you said. And the The other
thing you mentioned was like ip

497
00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:32,310
whitelisting for the API's and
whatnot. We've added that in for

498
00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:36,030
you know, we don't really want
your l&d API's exposed to the

499
00:29:36,030 --> 00:29:38,430
internet, even with the
credentials that are on them.

500
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:42,090
Still not a great idea. So you
know, we have ip whitelisting so

501
00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:46,200
you can control who accesses and
all of those things. So we

502
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,450
wanted to make this a very
scalable and very easy to use

503
00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:54,120
platform but also not really, we
wanted to keep the security you

504
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,130
know, as as hard as possible.

505
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,390
Well, that makes you know that's
that's a wonderful thing to Have

506
00:30:00,390 --> 00:30:03,990
as a as a user, but then from
your standpoint, you, you know,

507
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:06,240
you still got to support it. And
every time you encrypt something

508
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,820
or make it invisible to
yourself, it makes it harder to

509
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:12,570
support has that been had the I
guess you, I guess you've

510
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:15,780
allowed? I know you can manage
channels and that kind of thing,

511
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,360
or at least have some visibility
into some channels, even if you

512
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,480
can't see the note itself. Have
you had Have you? Have you

513
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,330
worked around this sort of
support? nightmare versus

514
00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:25,800
privacy?

515
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:29,460
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think
you're exactly right. That it, I

516
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:32,520
think it comes with a support
burden to where, you know, if we

517
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,430
had access to everything, we can
manage everything, that'd be

518
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:39,060
really easy. And so it's there's
a trade off there. But that's

519
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:41,640
something that we kind of
consciously took on, because I

520
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,940
think the security is more
important than our, you know,

521
00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:50,460
support burden. And so, you
know, we do a lot to really try

522
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:54,300
it, we, I guess we're kind of
clever with how we do it. So

523
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,280
like when things like we have
like an integration with breeze

524
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,480
for example, where they, you
know, with you by a podcasting

525
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,360
node, you get a channel open to
you from breeze, you can start,

526
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,430
you know, getting that inbound
capacity for people to stream to

527
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:09,000
you instantly, that is really
done on the in our dashboard.

528
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,670
And it is, you know, your node
has to appear with breeze before

529
00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:13,680
they can open the channel. And
that's all done from the

530
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,380
dashboard. So it seems like it's
kind of this automated thing,

531
00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:19,800
but it's really, it's really you
making the request client side

532
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,500
to do all this stuff. But we
just make it really, really

533
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,980
simple and abstracted away to
where, you know, we aren't, we

534
00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:28,530
aren't doing anything with your
node. We're just making it

535
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,470
easier for for you to do it
yourself, I guess.

536
00:31:33,030 --> 00:31:36,180
Okay, all right. So that that
sort of happens post unlock, and

537
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:37,650
then those kinds of

538
00:31:37,650 --> 00:31:39,630
things. Yes, yes. That's
correct. Yeah,

539
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,520
I guess. Okay. Yeah. Well, I
mean, you, you talked about, you

540
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,010
mentioned a second ago about
your API. And I think you've

541
00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:49,860
just recently released an API.
And that's part of what I want

542
00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:54,210
to ask you about for us. I mean,
we run our node on your own on

543
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:58,530
voltage, like, What can your new
What can your API now that is

544
00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:02,310
public? What can we do with
that? How does that help us what

545
00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:05,010
I mean, I've got some ideas and
stuff I want to do. But like,

546
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:08,970
what, what do you think that?
That helps us do? Yeah, I

547
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:13,050
mean, it definitely helps with
the management of it. So through

548
00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:15,570
the API, you can I mean, you can
obviously create new nodes, but

549
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:18,270
you can also for your existing
nodes, you can stop and start

550
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,780
them or update them. So you
know, we have web hooks on the

551
00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:24,480
platform to you know, we could
send you an update, or a web

552
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,270
hook that says, hey, your note
has an update, you could

553
00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:29,220
probably probably should
evaluate, you know, the version

554
00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:33,000
updates and whatnot. And then
you could automate the update

555
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,380
process of just hitting the API.
We also have like a ways you can

556
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,190
use the API's to get logs from
your node, get like the

557
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:44,580
macaroons to connect all of
these things. So you can really

558
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:48,750
kind of, it allows you to
integrate the voltage platform

559
00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:51,300
more into like your apps or
whatever you have, if you have

560
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:53,670
some management dashboards for
podcasts, you know, your

561
00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:57,600
podcasting setups, and whatnot,
you could basically control your

562
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,650
node from that from your own
dashboards VR API.

563
00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:05,160
Okay, what about backups? Can
you do those, like channel

564
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,330
backups through the API?

565
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,180
Yeah, I mean, so channel backups
are created automatically.

566
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:13,920
That's something we just do for
you. I'm just on the platform in

567
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,620
general, but you can use the API
to like, take comment, like

568
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:20,400
download them, or, you know,
take them off of back them up on

569
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,850
your own storage, too. So yes,
you can use the API to, you

570
00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:25,140
know, create exports like that.

571
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:30,960
That was one thing I want to ask
you about is, you know, this lot

572
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,420
of podcasters here doing value
for value who listened to our

573
00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:36,990
show, and a lot of them are
running their own nodes. And

574
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:41,790
whether you're on voltage or
running your own node. One thing

575
00:33:41,790 --> 00:33:44,280
I've been wanting to pick your
brain about for a while is just

576
00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:52,320
good. Node management, hygiene.
hygiene. Yeah. What is what is

577
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,410
what what are your
recommendations for a way that

578
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:57,600
somebody somebody is running
their own node, whether it's on

579
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,580
your own voltage or their other
or themselves? What is your your

580
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:06,870
advice for how to make sure that
they're they're running safely,

581
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,320
and keeping things backed up
keeping their channels? Do you

582
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,740
have any just general advice on
how to run a node in a good way

583
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:16,980
for somebody like a podcaster?
Who may be getting sort of

584
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:19,290
constant streaming? payments?

585
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:22,440
Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I
mean, that's a great question.

586
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:26,220
Um, and so as far as like, you
know, the safety goes, I mean,

587
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:29,850
definitely keeping backups of
your channels with that channel.

588
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,220
backup file, as you mentioned,
is very important. I'm not

589
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:35,220
honestly I haven't used a number
all before so I'm not sure if

590
00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:38,010
that like automates it or how
that works. But keeping copies

591
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:40,740
of that is very important. on
our platform, I know for sure

592
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:43,890
that we do automatic backups,
and we you know, we do

593
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,650
replication of those across the
world to make sure that those

594
00:34:46,650 --> 00:34:50,520
are safe. So that's a very
important piece just for sake of

595
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,520
just fund recovery. If your
nodes database gets corrupted or

596
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,710
something, just literally
getting your money out of it,

597
00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:59,460
and that's that's going to be
very important. And then another

598
00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:02,880
thing that When you're running,
it's more of a an issue with

599
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,580
larger scale nodes like like you
guys or someone didn't like

600
00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:11,370
maybe the smaller nodes. But the
l&d by default, uses a database

601
00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:14,790
called revolt, which is it's
kind of an embedded database. So

602
00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:18,900
it's not really made for large
scale. And if you're, you know,

603
00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:23,730
why, well, like this thing with
podcasting 2.0, your value for

604
00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:27,090
value is there's a lot of little
payments, it's a lot of invoices

605
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,990
in your database. So it can grow
pretty large over time. And it's

606
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:34,080
not really optimized to be
handled in a, you know, really

607
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,290
large way. So the best way to
work with that is to l&d has

608
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:43,050
API's to export all of your
invoices, payments,

609
00:35:43,050 --> 00:35:46,200
transactions, all of those
things out of the database. And

610
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,130
I always recommend to store
those somewhere else, whether

611
00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:53,580
it's just csvs or whatever, just
outside of your node. And then

612
00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:56,700
l&d has some new API's that
allow you to delete those out of

613
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:02,310
the node. Yeah, which is gonna
be very important for one for

614
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:05,070
like to export that data out in
case anything happens you still

615
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:08,850
have that data but then it also
keeps your node fast and able to

616
00:36:08,850 --> 00:36:13,530
do you know transactions really
quickly. And then but the other

617
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:16,770
important piece of it is once
you delete all of those

618
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:19,590
payments, it's just kind of one
of the intricacies of Ebola but

619
00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:23,070
you have to do compaction on the
database like actually remove

620
00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:27,330
the value like the the records
from it I'm again not sure how

621
00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:30,000
that works on Umbro, but on ours
we have like an auto compaction

622
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,080
feature that you could turn on
to compact your database to make

623
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,070
sure those are

624
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:38,820
white none of that none of that
sounds that sexy oh that was all

625
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:41,460
really really scary. I mean, if
any of it

626
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,750
that's I mean that's one of the
things that's one of the

627
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:49,560
challenges for us and ever
everyone is how do we make this

628
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,530
sexy? You know, this is all low
level technical stuff, right?

629
00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:54,540
And how do we make it more more
sexy?

630
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,140
And make it sexy?

631
00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:01,050
Exactly. Right, right that's the
way to get

632
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,920
now but the other thing you
mentioned Dave was the channels

633
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,010
and obviously if you're a
podcaster and you're wanting

634
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,470
you're needing to receive
payments from your listeners,

635
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:13,950
you got to have an inbound
capacity so that's something to

636
00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:16,050
always kind of keep an eye on
it's not i'm not saying that you

637
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:19,890
need 100 channels open to you
You just need one or two or

638
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,030
maybe three that have enough
capacity on the opposite side to

639
00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:27,570
receive those payments. So
that's just something to keep an

640
00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:31,770
eye on and we're working on some
products to make the channel

641
00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:36,570
creation easier and being able
to make like get that amount

642
00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:40,920
capacity easier than than it
exists today. So there's a few

643
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,880
things that will be out soonish
that will help with that then

644
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,340
that's just something to always
keep in mind is you know you

645
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:50,310
can't as a podcaster you can't
be receiving payments if you

646
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,010
don't have capacity in the
lightning network to receive on

647
00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:53,610
basically

648
00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:58,680
Yeah, we we try we've tried to
as people come online as

649
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,730
podcasters come online with
their own nodes we've tried to

650
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:05,370
open up channels to them to give
them some initial inbound

651
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:08,340
liquidity and that kind of thing
and this that's gonna you know

652
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:12,630
it's it's worked well so far and
we're happy to do it one problem

653
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:16,140
we do end up with lots and lots
of channels I mean small ones

654
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:19,080
too yeah we got like 112
channels Yeah, I

655
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,200
was thinking we need to set an
inbound limit on because you

656
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,580
know when you get the 50,000 set
channel it's just it's not you

657
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:27,600
know doesn't help

658
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:31,200
right so is that is that what
you guys do right now as you

659
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,170
know you know we're doing you're
just kind of helpful and yeah

660
00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:34,860
free people

661
00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:35,700
yeah channels

662
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:41,790
yeah so we'll open channels
typically 200 SATs 250 sometimes

663
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:47,280
a million you know we've got a 5
million channel to Elon pay we

664
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,040
have a you know there's I have a
channel to voltage which has

665
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,990
been stuck for 18 months

666
00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:55,800
if only we knew somebody at
voltage

667
00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:59,580
yeah that you should have told
me about that we get a hold on

668
00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:02,820
Look at that. I don't know I'm
not familiar with that but we

669
00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:04,020
could definitely look into

670
00:39:04,530 --> 00:39:11,130
the transaction ID so yeah, and
you know, we try to set zero

671
00:39:11,130 --> 00:39:15,900
base fee on on new channels just
to help stuff move through. So

672
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:18,570
we've actually we're a little
bit of a routing node is

673
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:22,920
interesting. We get them I think
we get the most routing SATs

674
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,950
from pod friend you know,
however, the network has

675
00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:29,340
determined that this is the way
it's supposed to go so yeah,

676
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:32,250
yeah, we're just trying to be as
kind of a good steward

677
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:35,340
mothership in the middle and I
think it's effective you know,

678
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:38,460
particularly for for new people
who just they have no inbound

679
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:42,270
liquidity don't understand
really what they're doing. So

680
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:43,350
we'll just hand it to them

681
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:47,520
yeah, yeah. I mean I that makes
sense. I think that's really

682
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:50,970
good for for the time where
we're at have this kind of,

683
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:53,760
we're still in the early days
right and figuring out how this

684
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,140
is all going to work but but
we're

685
00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:58,530
told we're totally the the
bastard stepchild when it comes

686
00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:03,900
to people Developing for the
lightning network because our

687
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,310
routing our liquidity is low we
but we have a very high volume

688
00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:13,110
of transactions. So you know, no
one's really thinking about all

689
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:17,010
these optimizations that we that
we need because of that volume.

690
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:19,950
But if we're all successful,
eventually we will need them.

691
00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:24,540
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean
completely. I think that's

692
00:40:24,540 --> 00:40:27,690
something we should we should
talk about after this is I think

693
00:40:27,690 --> 00:40:30,330
we have a we have some things
coming out that will help you

694
00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:32,640
and then also help a lot of
these new podcasters coming

695
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,480
online and how they're going to
manage the Mmm, liquidity. So I

696
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:38,880
don't have anything that I can
say on the show yet. But I mean,

697
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,100
I think we'll have some
solutions soon. That will really

698
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,880
help this onboarding process
where it's not it's not Adam and

699
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,730
Dave opening up every single
podcast channel.

700
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,000
That's in the spec, right?

701
00:40:51,419 --> 00:40:55,859
Yeah. Have you have you
considered like real consumer

702
00:40:55,889 --> 00:41:00,419
market where you know, you have
a family node? And maybe I know,

703
00:41:00,419 --> 00:41:04,979
you and I, we've talked about
Elon bits, or some other kind

704
00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:10,319
of, we call it Uncle Joe, Uncle
Joe's node, you know, so people

705
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,649
can share with a simple wallet
that they can hook up to, you

706
00:41:13,649 --> 00:41:16,019
know, blue wallet, or somewhere
where maybe zap something like

707
00:41:16,019 --> 00:41:16,379
that?

708
00:41:17,129 --> 00:41:20,819
Yeah, yeah, that's something
we're looking into primarily

709
00:41:20,819 --> 00:41:23,159
from, like we talked about with
like Elon bits, because for

710
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,979
those that aren't familiar, Elon
bits is a an application that

711
00:41:25,979 --> 00:41:27,959
connects to your node that you
can do some of that.

712
00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:34,770
Like Elon bits, I think is cool.
I love the little modules. And I

713
00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:37,860
have never been able to
successfully get my certificate

714
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:43,020
properly installed on my on my
raspy Blitz, but otherwise, the

715
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:47,100
ln URL stuff works. It's it's,
it's really it's pretty cool,

716
00:41:47,610 --> 00:41:50,760
huh? Yeah, I mean, it's a good
application. And that's

717
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400
something that we're looking
into bringing onto the platform.

718
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,760
So you know, things like that
will be possible soon. Once we

719
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,300
kind of get that on there. And
then you can create wallets for

720
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:02,700
family members, friends, what
you know, whatever it is,

721
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,700
what other markets, are you
going into what other markets

722
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,300
are you looking at for, you
know, for lightening services?

723
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,670
Yeah, I mean, I think that so
there's, as far as we're just

724
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:17,010
trying to offer sewer service
for kind of everyone, right. And

725
00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:19,530
that's, that's intentionally
broad, because we're so early,

726
00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:23,040
that there's a lot of people
that need help. But there's, you

727
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,100
know, with what's going on in El
Salvador, and all these new

728
00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:30,420
things where, you know, it's
becoming more everyday use,

729
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:33,870
we're seeing a lot of inbound
from people like, like banks,

730
00:42:33,870 --> 00:42:38,040
and right, more traditional
institutions that, you know,

731
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,130
maybe previously were writing an
offer saying, well look at it

732
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:44,520
next year. And now it's like,
oh, you know, people are using

733
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,290
this every day in El Salvador
like this is, you know, we're

734
00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:48,870
going to need to start looking
at the sooner than the next

735
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:49,140
year,

736
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,170
big retail point of sale, that
kind of stuff.

737
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:56,940
I mean, potentially, I think
it's that that could be I see it

738
00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,510
more, maybe in like in the
financial institutions where

739
00:43:00,510 --> 00:43:03,750
it's like now Yeah, yeah, stuff
like that, I think will

740
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:07,110
definitely come online soon. But
I mean, like breezes, you know,

741
00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:09,240
point of sale and things like
that. I think it's been gaining

742
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:12,720
adoption as well. So I think we
could see it kind of across the

743
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:13,590
board, almost.

744
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,390
What about legislation? this
kind of stuff? I mean, I'm sure

745
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:21,390
you follow it, how closely do
you care? Does it matter to your

746
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:22,080
business?

747
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:26,400
Yeah, I mean, it's, it does
matter to us. And it's something

748
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,230
that I do try and follow. And
it's something that it's, it's

749
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:34,440
changing quickly. And so it is
kind of difficult to figure out

750
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,350
what's what and how is this
going to work out? Luckily, I

751
00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:39,390
think a lot of these things have
a little bit of lead time on

752
00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:43,830
them before they actually go
into effect. So I'm, you know,

753
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:46,890
they're I think, today, there's
been a few things happen this

754
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:49,470
year that weren't, you know,
quite friendly to what we're

755
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:54,120
doing. But I think I think it
comes down to education. I mean,

756
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,690
there's some people in politics
that don't really care to be

757
00:43:57,690 --> 00:44:01,110
educated. But I think it does, I
think there's a good amount of

758
00:44:01,110 --> 00:44:03,570
people out there that if we can
just get the education right and

759
00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:07,170
really convey what is truly
happening. And this isn't just

760
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:10,230
some, you know, bitcoins, not
some scheme that it's going to

761
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,290
rob every one of their wealth or
something like that. I think

762
00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:14,310
that'll go a long way.

763
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,570
Yeah, I was I was listening to
again on mere mortals. They were

764
00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:23,280
talking about doing some Bitcoin
meetups down in, in Australia,

765
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,800
in Brisbane, and they were just
kind of commenting on how they

766
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:33,150
nobody that they met. In the
Bitcoin meetups down there.

767
00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:37,260
nobody seemed to care or
mentioned what the price of

768
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,550
bitcoin was, like it denominated
in Fiat, everybody, they were

769
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:44,700
just sort of like, Well, you
know, they don't this is sort of

770
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:47,520
like they don't care what the
price is. No, and that was

771
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,800
really yeah, that was really
interesting. Because if you

772
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,880
think about it, I mean, it makes
sense. I know, most Bitcoin.

773
00:44:54,240 --> 00:45:00,000
People are in they, at this
point. They're Of course, you're

774
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,270
Have your tech bros in your
scammy investor guys but you

775
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:08,340
know really oh so many of the
people that we have met in and

776
00:45:08,340 --> 00:45:12,930
know of are in it for a bit a
much bigger they're in it for

777
00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:18,210
ideology not for you know in
getting getting rich or or

778
00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:18,720
whatever

779
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,730
we all win we all work together

780
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:25,860
yeah you look at GG tweeted
something yesterday and he said

781
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:30,450
when when your money when money
is broken, everything becomes

782
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:35,820
money. And that was so is such a
profound thing to say because

783
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:39,120
he's exactly right and we should
we're seeing it right now. We're

784
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,030
seeing it where all of a sudden
all these asset classes are in

785
00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:46,170
bubbles, you know, houses are
now money. Cars are money. You

786
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:49,620
know, tech is money. I mean,
everything is because of being

787
00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:53,910
priced. All our assets are now
being priced in terms of, of

788
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:57,690
their monetary value, because
the money itself has been

789
00:45:58,020 --> 00:46:02,820
broken. Yeah, it's like we I
mean, we have saw yesterday that

790
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:06,960
20% of the total US dollars in
circulation today.

791
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:09,450
Yes from the past. Yeah,

792
00:46:09,780 --> 00:46:13,890
we're in 2020 in 2020 alone is
20% of the total.

793
00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:22,590
But Dave that's immunised money.
It's transitory stop ever mmt

794
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:23,940
mmt Yeah, exactly.

795
00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:24,450
Yeah,

796
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:27,750
no, I mean No, I mean I
completely agree and I think

797
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:31,380
that that's where i think that
you know, learning Bitcoin and

798
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:34,230
all of these things is a journey
and i think that you know,

799
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:37,350
that's where I see more and more
people coming to is I think

800
00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:40,020
there's a stage in your journey
where you realize that like the

801
00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:43,680
Fiat dollar value of this stuff
doesn't quite matter as much as

802
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,820
you previously thought

803
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:51,300
which is what is the some of the
most surprising customers you

804
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:53,670
have business wise?

805
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:59,610
Um, I mean we so I think that
the ones so I that's what I like

806
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:01,860
what we're doing is because we
have a very wide range of

807
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:07,050
customers, whether it's pot like
podcasting, gaming, there's some

808
00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:09,720
financial institutions and
there's things like Sphinx chat

809
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:15,090
that's like you know, messaging
so the the use case is very very

810
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:17,340
broad for the lightning network
which is why I mean one of the

811
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,820
reasons I find it so interesting
this can really be applied to

812
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:25,830
anything so I think that we've
we have a lot of really

813
00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:28,350
interesting use cases primarily
like some of the ones that I

814
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:31,680
find most interesting are like
gaming podcasting those things

815
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,640
and then we also have just like
the financial services which is

816
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,210
you know, maybe more not very
weird I think that's probably

817
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,180
more of the predictable ones but
you know, we're having

818
00:47:42,180 --> 00:47:45,690
conversations with people that
you you wouldn't expect I guess

819
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:49,200
even I'm kind of blown away by
the inbound we get of like, oh

820
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,440
you're you're I would never
expect you to be looking at

821
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,770
lightning right now but but you
are so I think that's the big

822
00:47:55,770 --> 00:48:01,620
surprising thing is the amount
of traditional services that are

823
00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:03,690
starting to look into this space

824
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:07,350
like a like a grocery store or
something I mean, like just eat

825
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:11,490
yeah yeah or like just read like
retail Yeah, yeah. Or like just

826
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:14,340
bigger banks where you're like
you know, there's they're so big

827
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:17,190
that well why would they look
into you know, something like

828
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:21,810
this? Or you know, just yeah,
these auxilary services that you

829
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:25,620
just never quite expect to be
you know, for us it makes sense

830
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:27,750
you know, for them to be on
lightning but I think that

831
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,010
they're still part of me that's
like a I think that there's I'm

832
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:34,380
surprised that they're as far
along in their journey as they

833
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:34,770
are.

834
00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:40,290
Did you do your yoga Lobo Do you
have Do you have customers like

835
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:42,150
you know, Salvador in all parts
of the world?

836
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:47,430
Yeah, yeah, we do. We are we are
global. And we do have customers

837
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:50,130
and you know, some Central
American countries, some in

838
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:53,340
Europe and whatnot. So we
definitely are global and where

839
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:56,040
we're working on rolling out the
platform in a more global way

840
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,370
where you can we have you know,
we have zones all over the world

841
00:48:59,370 --> 00:49:02,400
but making all of those zones
publicly available, things like

842
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,420
that. So we're we're working on
making the platform more global

843
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,910
as well but we do have customers
that are outside the US

844
00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:14,220
that my partner Dave had a big
ask for you. Oh, yeah.

845
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:17,250
What was the ask some feature
you

846
00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:17,760
wanted?

847
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,720
Oh, you're talking about the Oh,
okay. No, well, wouldn't have

848
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,400
for you to my we were talking
about a while ago that's that

849
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,410
wasn't a feature that was where
I was wanting to roll this out

850
00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:28,080
to you and see what you what you
think about it. So this is

851
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,090
there. There's subscriptions in
pod, you know what we're doing

852
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:38,700
pay, you know, this actually
played a pay. Yeah, value, but

853
00:49:38,730 --> 00:49:41,580
you could do this in a
subscription format, where with

854
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:46,680
a paywall type deal. So here
here's, here's the, I mean,

855
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,320
you're familiar enough with
podcasting to give your input on

856
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:55,980
this. So the idea here is you
have a podcasting host. And the

857
00:49:55,980 --> 00:50:00,960
podcasting host is serving up
the RSS feeds Well, the way it

858
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,600
works now is if I want to, if I
want to subscribe and you can

859
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,280
see this through Who is it?
What's the name of substack?

860
00:50:08,610 --> 00:50:14,010
Okay, so substack has a gal in
there who wants to give out a

861
00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:18,090
private feed for his members.
Well, they produce a private, a

862
00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:22,410
producer separate RSS feed with
like, with either like a token

863
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,300
or like HTTP basic, you know,
authentication or something like

864
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:31,590
that. And that's the URL that
you take in, and manually copy

865
00:50:31,590 --> 00:50:36,840
it and paste it in your podcast
player. The problem that, I

866
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,760
mean, the problem there is like,
I mean, you can share that

867
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,870
anybody can use it, because it's
just tokenized. And then, and

868
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:45,330
you can get sucked into
directories, and it's also a

869
00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:49,590
pain in the butt. Um, so. But
then you got the alternate

870
00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:53,520
model, which is Apple, or
Spotify, whoever, who's going to

871
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,660
have like this private
podcasting service subscription

872
00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:01,170
service where there is no feed,
I mean, it's all just, you know,

873
00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:05,160
built into their proprietary
system. So it's thinking, what

874
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,540
you could do is you could have
just your single feed. So I've

875
00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:13,830
got a solution, say this, this
podcast, podcasting 2.0, RSS

876
00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:21,930
feed, and I won't, but I want to
make it some of the content in

877
00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:28,320
the feed paywall so as the
podcast host, for the feed,

878
00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:41,100
could generate a generated key,
paid or seed value. When you say

879
00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:43,410
I want to subscribe, so you
click say I want to subscribe to

880
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:49,020
this content, it generate in
your, your podcast player

881
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,980
generates a seed, sends it
through the processing system on

882
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:58,800
the host on the hosting
platform. So in somewhere in the

883
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,460
feed, there was a bit like a, an
in an API endpoint or something

884
00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:04,680
that you could communicate for
to do this subscription with,

885
00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:11,130
generate a seed value, send it
to the host, the hosting company

886
00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:15,960
records it. And that's going to
be your one time your time based

887
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,030
one time password seed. So now,
the podcast app knows the time

888
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:24,120
based one time password, and the
podcast host knows knows the

889
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:29,310
seed value for that to calculate
the TFTP. Now every time you go

890
00:52:29,310 --> 00:52:34,110
to refresh and pull a new copy
of the feed, you generate the T

891
00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:38,190
the one time password, send it
back to the host. And then the

892
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:41,610
host authenticates. And that's
how they serve you the

893
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:45,660
enclosure. So when I go to
request the enclosure to listen

894
00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:49,620
to this episode that says it's
protected, I'm sending the T OTP

895
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,350
as a as a as a URL parameter
back with it. And the host now

896
00:52:55,350 --> 00:52:59,220
knows, okay, this is a valid
subscription. Because I've got,

897
00:52:59,370 --> 00:53:02,190
we've done this prior
transaction before. And we've

898
00:53:02,190 --> 00:53:05,430
both calculated we've both
shared the seed value. And so

899
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:09,330
now I know that I can serve this
enclosure to this particular

900
00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:13,830
podcast player. Because they
know the seed.

901
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,450
Mm hmm. Yeah. Go ahead.

902
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:23,850
No. So then, when you if you
were to move your feet

903
00:53:23,850 --> 00:53:27,090
subscriptions from one podcast
player to another from one app

904
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:31,770
to another, could export them
out in opia opml. In an extra

905
00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:33,540
opml attribute could be in there
with

906
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,710
Wow, that's cool. To TPC. Wow.

907
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:40,350
And you pick up all your
subscriptions can move with you

908
00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:41,370
from app to app.

909
00:53:43,170 --> 00:53:46,830
Right and would but i think i
think that if I'm understanding

910
00:53:46,830 --> 00:53:48,810
right it would be like a spec
level change for all the

911
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:52,200
podcasting apps would have to
support this to TP

912
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,170
they will do whatever we tell
them

913
00:53:55,230 --> 00:54:03,690
we make use of that. Yeah.
Perfect use of that.

914
00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:08,520
No kidding me? Yeah. What do you
think I mean, like that, that

915
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:13,530
these, that would, would work
you just have like, that takes

916
00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:17,190
it that takes where you could
have where I could say okay, I'm

917
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:23,400
going to I'm going to pay I
don't know 25,000 SATs as to

918
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,830
subscribe to this to this show.
And then as long as you as long

919
00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:34,500
as your app is paying the
subscription your you continue

920
00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:37,470
like whenever you if you ever
stop paying the subscription,

921
00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:41,820
your ODBC just gets it just get
one

922
00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:49,200
Yeah, yeah, no, I think that I
think that makes sense. I got to

923
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,690
have to I think I'd have to like
see it more on paper to figure

924
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:54,240
out if like that, literally that
scheme worse but I think

925
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,020
generally speaking that makes a
lot of sense to be able to, like

926
00:54:58,050 --> 00:55:01,380
you know, pay an invoice and get
like this see that allows you

927
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:04,560
to, you know, get access to the
content, I think I think that

928
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,190
makes a lot of sense. And so
this would also this would be in

929
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:11,340
addition to like the value for
value of like, like the private

930
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:14,640
premium content where you, you
know, you pay to unlock it kind

931
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,150
of thing.

932
00:55:15,569 --> 00:55:18,509
Yeah, there's some people that
are just like there's they

933
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,799
they're too scared of non stable
income. And they want like this

934
00:55:22,799 --> 00:55:25,319
predict not not this
subscriptions are stable, and

935
00:55:25,529 --> 00:55:28,439
they're just as unstable as
everything else. But they like

936
00:55:28,439 --> 00:55:32,039
this sort of warm fuzzies of
saying odd. I know that I'm

937
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,339
going to get my money up front.
And this is going to be our, you

938
00:55:35,339 --> 00:55:35,519
know,

939
00:55:36,329 --> 00:55:39,269
once they learn that their short
selling themselves, they move

940
00:55:39,269 --> 00:55:42,869
over to value for value. But
yeah, it's a good way to onboard

941
00:55:42,869 --> 00:55:44,909
and to compete with Patreon.

942
00:55:45,869 --> 00:55:51,899
Yeah, so then if you had if you
subscribe with if you subscribe

943
00:55:51,899 --> 00:55:56,189
with this mechanism, then you
could even say, when you when

944
00:55:56,189 --> 00:55:59,429
they generate the invoice to
make the payment. You could even

945
00:55:59,429 --> 00:56:04,409
use the invoice hash itself as
sort of the seed value for the

946
00:56:04,619 --> 00:56:05,219
OTP.

947
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,330
Yeah, well, so have you heard of
else that?

948
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,200
Oh, yeah, we looked at that we
looked at years ago.

949
00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:18,810
Yeah, but I've never honestly,
I've never fully understood how

950
00:56:18,810 --> 00:56:20,460
to make it work.

951
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:24,900
I kind of haven't either,
honestly, like I haven't gotten

952
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,150
into like the nitty gritty
details of like, implement that

953
00:56:27,149 --> 00:56:28,109
makes me feel better about it.

954
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:33,210
But I mean, there's, there's,
there's way too much to learn.

955
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:35,190
Even for me, there's just too
much. But

956
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:39,150
the the idea is it's an API that
you can pay for on the fly,

957
00:56:39,150 --> 00:56:39,780
correct?

958
00:56:40,379 --> 00:56:43,589
Yeah, yeah. And it's like,
essentially, your payment is

959
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:46,469
like, is that unlock mechanism?
It's like you're the payment is

960
00:56:46,469 --> 00:56:49,829
the API key? Yeah. So it's like
it gives you you know, this,

961
00:56:49,949 --> 00:56:53,939
it's almost like a token, that
is a payment that you can use to

962
00:56:53,939 --> 00:56:58,799
unlock the content behind the
API. So I mean, I think that I

963
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:02,249
think that your your ideas,
right, and, you know, the, the

964
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:04,859
lower level implementations,
whether it's like an Elsa or

965
00:57:04,859 --> 00:57:09,449
just some other, you know, token
thing makes a lot of sense. I

966
00:57:09,449 --> 00:57:12,599
mean, I think that that that's a
great idea.

967
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:15,780
That's exactly what I was
wanting to hear you say, That's

968
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:16,560
why this one?

969
00:57:19,410 --> 00:57:22,410
No, I mean, I, yeah, I think
that that's, that's something

970
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:25,920
that I talked with Tim LNP quite
a bit about is just kind of the

971
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,760
subscription piece, just
generally speaking on lightning

972
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,690
and just Bitcoin in general as
well. And people say there's

973
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:37,800
like things and bolt 12 that
kind of make it happen, which is

974
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,890
for those that aren't familiar,
it's just a spec to the

975
00:57:40,890 --> 00:57:45,600
lightning network of like the
protocol. And I mean, you know,

976
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,220
maybe there's some things in
there that we could leverage,

977
00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:50,100
but who knows when that's going
to really be out and all of the

978
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,010
things so I think that it's
important to, you know, we don't

979
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:56,040
we don't want to just wait for
everything to be rolled out. So

980
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,770
I think that it's important to
figure out how this fits in

981
00:57:58,770 --> 00:57:59,190
today.

982
00:57:59,790 --> 00:58:03,660
Do you think l&d will adopt volt
12 because they seem a little on

983
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:04,290
the fence about it?

984
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880
That's a good that's a great
question. That's like a million

985
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,550
dollar question. I think I think
that they will I think that if

986
00:58:11,550 --> 00:58:15,300
it's like if if everything gets
approved like kind of through

987
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:19,320
the normal processes and it's
like an official you know,

988
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:23,010
released bolts that you know,
especially if they have a lot of

989
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:27,210
users requesting it I think that
they will so I think it's a

990
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:30,030
matter of time but you know,
assuming depending on how things

991
00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:31,140
play out I think they will

992
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:36,420
and did I hear Dave were you
telling me that booster grams

993
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:37,680
we're coming to Thunder hub

994
00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:43,200
that's what I that's what I'd
heard and I think Roy mentioned

995
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,410
that are y'all are y'all doing
anything with with histograms or

996
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:47,940
anything on on yells radar?

997
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,230
No, okay, I'm not even super
familiar with booster grams. So

998
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:55,410
you guys are gonna have to give
me an error lesson about that.

999
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,740
Okay, so an added feature in the
podcast apps, you know, the

1000
00:58:58,740 --> 00:59:02,160
boost where you can, you know,
like a Super Chat you can send

1001
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:07,170
1000 satoshis or any number you
want in one go. So we've added

1002
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,350
messaging to that, for which
we've defined a TLV record

1003
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:16,980
to V 7629169,

1004
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:23,340
double o 2345789. That's my
number. Yeah, so and so the

1005
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:26,430
message carries along with it
and the net effect the way I

1006
00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:30,090
received them, is that Dave has
it rigged up so that it comes in

1007
00:59:30,090 --> 00:59:35,640
on email and so it tells me you
know, what, the the alias of the

1008
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,880
person who's sending it the
amount, the podcast that we're

1009
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,490
listening to which episode and
the message timestamp? Yep, it's

1010
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:49,140
very I mean, it's it's
revolutionizing podcasting. This

1011
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:52,950
feedback loop has never been
there before. Yeah. And it Yeah.

1012
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,730
Right along. It's kind of like a
pay pal message only a million

1013
00:59:56,730 --> 00:59:57,510
times better.

1014
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,320
Right right now that's awesome,
Dave, how are you? You had Did

1015
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,380
you implement that? Do you like
listen to like the nodes, like

1016
01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:08,610
API's? And you know, you attack
the TLV and do all that stuff.

1017
01:00:09,090 --> 01:00:13,560
Yeah, originally I was pulling
everything muscle I was pulling

1018
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,060
everything myself with with some
scripts. And then john cigi

1019
01:00:18,060 --> 01:00:22,410
wrote a Python script that will
do it through that'll, that'll

1020
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,500
monitor it and push it out
through as push notifications

1021
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:30,570
through, push over. And then,
but I've just now switched this

1022
01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:38,370
last week, Alex gates wrote a
Python script that uses the the

1023
01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:44,640
CRI, I think it's create invoice
stream API, the gRPC stream API

1024
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,270
from l&d, so now you can get
them in real time. So

1025
01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:51,540
essentially, it just opens a
channel and opens a stream. And

1026
01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:56,010
then they just pop in in his
script. Mike, literally, within

1027
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,060
two seconds after sending a boot
of booster Graham, it pops into

1028
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:04,020
the stream, and his script
outputs it to standard out. So

1029
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:08,430
I'm just capturing that standard
out in another script in and

1030
01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:11,670
triggering, you know, push
notifications. And in that what

1031
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:15,210
that will become in it's almost
working. I've almost got it

1032
01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:20,550
working today is that will
become the Super Chat for live.

1033
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:24,630
Like you'll be able to get to a
web page and see me be listening

1034
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:27,840
to the show live. And then
seeing the booster grams come in

1035
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,990
and scroll through the screen.
So it'll be like YouTube Super

1036
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:31,350
Chat.

1037
01:01:32,250 --> 01:01:34,620
Yeah, if you're No, that's
awesome. That's so cool.

1038
01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:41,550
He's so cool. So this is a value
for value project, which means

1039
01:01:41,550 --> 01:01:46,650
that there's no creepy corporate
money. There's no ads. That's

1040
01:01:46,650 --> 01:01:48,780
the only way it's gonna work.
It's the only way everybody

1041
01:01:48,780 --> 01:01:51,390
stays honest. And you just heard
a couple names there of people

1042
01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:54,120
who are putting a lot of time
and talent into moving

1043
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:59,880
podcasting even further. And we
really love to thank our

1044
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,620
producers who are supporting us
with their cut butts cocked box

1045
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:08,190
which you can go do at podcasts.
index.org down at the bottom,

1046
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:12,360
the red Donate button that is
PayPal. And then of course we

1047
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,190
have the boost system, the boost
ecosystem, and some booster

1048
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:19,680
grams and where do you want to
start Dave?

1049
01:02:20,669 --> 01:02:22,529
You get you got time to hang
around while we do some

1050
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:26,789
histograms. Graham? Yeah, for
sure. Okay. Well, we've got

1051
01:02:26,849 --> 01:02:29,549
we've got some, the only cut
bucks we have this week other

1052
01:02:29,549 --> 01:02:33,629
than monthly donors. We got a
single from let's see from

1053
01:02:33,629 --> 01:02:42,599
Gregory van mowlem. sent us $400
Whoa, through PayPal, Uh huh. he

1054
01:02:43,319 --> 01:02:46,949
emailed with him a little bit,
and he said that he's going to

1055
01:02:46,949 --> 01:02:49,349
get more involved. He's going to
he's a coder. And so he's going

1056
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:52,259
to start helping with some code
too. But he said, This is my,

1057
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:54,569
this is my first contribution.
So

1058
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:57,930
Wow, thank you very much. I
think we should call him

1059
01:02:57,930 --> 01:03:04,410
defragmented. Oh, yes. For sure.
Thank you, man. That's great.

1060
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:06,090
Yeah, he's

1061
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,720
that's almost our entire server
budget, or used to be.

1062
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:12,930
I've got to build today. I can
tell you what it was. What was

1063
01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:19,440
it? In the end? grandma's gonna
laugh at this is hosting fee. It

1064
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:24,870
was $467.

1065
01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:27,569
Wow, man, and that's 20 servers.

1066
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:30,720
Yes, that is 20 servers.

1067
01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:33,270
Well done. Master Dave.

1068
01:03:33,479 --> 01:03:38,279
That is a chicken feed compared
to Graham's hosting phase. Yeah.

1069
01:03:38,850 --> 01:03:42,150
Well, but he probably still has
to deal with AWS. It's got a

1070
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:46,200
backdoor deal with his old
buddies there. Did you work with

1071
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,240
us, weren't you?

1072
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:50,850
I never know. I never worked
there. I've worked you know,

1073
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,740
with it through. Oh,

1074
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:54,210
I thought I thought you work
there.

1075
01:03:54,660 --> 01:04:02,160
Now. Okay. Okay, so I'm gonna go
ahead and say that I'm a I'm a

1076
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,830
huge fan of this competition
that we've created.

1077
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,580
What competition okay.

1078
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:16,200
era statica. Sent 250,000 SATs.
What is a booster gram?

1079
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:25,080
Hold on a second Paolo shot Kala
20 Blaze. Oh man, Paula. baller

1080
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:25,770
boost.

1081
01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:31,140
Total baller boost and it came
through fountain app. And he

1082
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:36,990
says, Hey drib booster gram max
Challenge accepted. quarter

1083
01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:42,450
million dollar boost. Can I get
a T shirt? So he said also I got

1084
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:48,930
booster grams calm. I need
ideas. Yeah, this is 100%

1085
01:04:48,930 --> 01:04:52,620
approve of this check of this
petition.

1086
01:04:55,020 --> 01:04:57,750
I was wondering why our channels
were flipping back and forth the

1087
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:59,970
whole time with lm gay Mike.
Wow. It went through

1088
01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:05,760
Thank you aerostatic yeah I
understand to get the create the

1089
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,620
inventor of the term booster
Graham That's right.

1090
01:05:07,650 --> 01:05:10,470
And he's got the domain name to
prove it. And and it's written

1091
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:13,590
in the show notes we've codified
that he's got papers.

1092
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:21,030
Yes. See, Auburn Citadel sent us
49,000 SATs and he says our

1093
01:05:21,030 --> 01:05:23,910
Citadel checking in on the board
meeting this boost brings me

1094
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:27,840
well over 200,000 SATs I'll be
hitting you up for t shirts soon

1095
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,650
hopefully no supply chain issues
oh no no

1096
01:05:31,650 --> 01:05:33,780
we don't want it only that we
don't

1097
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:37,140
want t shirt supply chain issue
definitely thank you think you

1098
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:42,930
over Citadel appreciate that.
Okay, okay, now this is a string

1099
01:05:42,930 --> 01:05:48,300
of booster grams from kyron I'm
sorry No, we started out with

1100
01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:53,370
Daniel I'm sorry. Daniel says he
went through breeze and he says

1101
01:05:53,370 --> 01:05:58,290
50,000 SATs it's it's baller
boost day it is you guys are

1102
01:05:58,290 --> 01:06:05,100
great. This is this is to build
Prague boosts are on lightning

1103
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:08,760
network there's no block delay
at all. Daniel okay also approve

1104
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:11,730
fully approve of this too but
just people correcting other

1105
01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:13,560
people through boost your grams.
I like this.

1106
01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:17,100
Very, very, very, very good
trend.

1107
01:06:17,460 --> 01:06:24,960
Yes, yes. I like this. Okay, now
Karen sent us see he sent us a

1108
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:34,620
string of booster grams. And oh,
here it is. Okay. That's three

1109
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:40,140
that's three or 444 I'm out of
out of order here. Okay, I'm

1110
01:06:40,140 --> 01:06:42,600
gonna sit and I'm just going to
read them in Okay, where do they

1111
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,440
come up? He says 25,000 SATs
through the fountain app. And he

1112
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,770
says any update on the new
website I've noticed the apps

1113
01:06:49,770 --> 01:06:51,810
page is a tad out of date. Oh,
well.

1114
01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:58,950
Yeah. Make Deb's make sure that
you have your your app features

1115
01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:02,280
updated on the on the apps page
everyone's that's what we're

1116
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,120
promoting new podcast apps calm
so you want all your features

1117
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,220
represented you can just do it
with a pull request.

1118
01:07:09,209 --> 01:07:13,079
And he says found he says
fountain for example has now has

1119
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:16,559
chapters and I'm keen to see how
you're going to display the 959

1120
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,969
things that 2.0 is and yeah,
that's been updated so that pull

1121
01:07:20,969 --> 01:07:23,759
request I have just had to put
it in production so fountains up

1122
01:07:23,759 --> 01:07:29,009
to date now. Yeah, the the new
website. still working on it.

1123
01:07:29,009 --> 01:07:29,909
websites are hard.

1124
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:36,570
Yeah, will probably be a lot of
focus on the the podcast or

1125
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:39,360
wallet stuff. Right. Once you
get to it. Are you getting

1126
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:40,680
pretty close? I think.

1127
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:47,820
Yeah, I've got API stuff to fix
and then we'll go into that. The

1128
01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:52,050
Okay, here's four out of voices,
a low boost and off my top end

1129
01:07:52,050 --> 01:07:56,340
booster gram shopping spree my
good sir. skyrun levels.

1130
01:07:57,210 --> 01:08:01,770
And now, as the French say, it
is time for low boost.

1131
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:05,940
Don't you wish you had a podcast
gram so that people could just

1132
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:07,860
randomly send you sass with
messages? And

1133
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,120
yeah, I know I do. I'm getting
jealous over here. Well, you

1134
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,490
just get boring emails with no
sets.

1135
01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:18,030
We'll be happy to discuss with
you just putting you into our

1136
01:08:18,030 --> 01:08:22,260
value splits for 5%. So we don't
have to pay any fees. You just

1137
01:08:22,260 --> 01:08:26,370
take a cut like everybody else
get right. Yeah, maybe we could

1138
01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:31,020
do that. Maybe telling you man
in the future? Yes, I

1139
01:08:31,019 --> 01:08:31,709
completely agree.

1140
01:08:32,339 --> 01:08:38,189
era statica cenis. Against and
is 2376 cents. He says, I have a

1141
01:08:38,189 --> 01:08:40,259
request. Is there any
possibility that I could be the

1142
01:08:40,259 --> 01:08:43,169
first person to do a booster
gram and a new Live Super Chat?

1143
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:48,809
Is it just first come first
serve, isn't it?

1144
01:08:49,230 --> 01:08:52,380
I mean, I'll give him a little
heads up, I guess how

1145
01:08:52,379 --> 01:08:56,819
close are we to, to doing that,
because I missed the dev

1146
01:08:56,819 --> 01:08:59,969
meeting. I don't know I and I
don't know if Brian put it up

1147
01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:00,299
yet.

1148
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,769
I haven't seen him post it yet.
But I mean, we're the only we're

1149
01:09:04,769 --> 01:09:10,139
not far, the only thing we have
to do is just bake in some. Some

1150
01:09:10,139 --> 01:09:14,639
tag we got somebody got to bake
in the tag support. And then we

1151
01:09:14,639 --> 01:09:19,529
have to put in the action. You
have parameter in piping so that

1152
01:09:19,529 --> 01:09:22,709
we can trigger so what we're
talking about Graham is where

1153
01:09:22,769 --> 01:09:26,069
it's part of the podcasting
namespace. We're gonna have a

1154
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:29,819
tag in there called called Live
item. And it's just it'll just

1155
01:09:29,819 --> 01:09:34,619
be is meant to just reference a
stream like a live stream HTTP

1156
01:09:34,619 --> 01:09:39,029
string. So then you put in a
live item in the RSS feed. And

1157
01:09:39,029 --> 01:09:42,539
when when apps see that there
will be in the item there will

1158
01:09:42,539 --> 01:09:45,389
be a start time on it that says
you know, like whatever, you

1159
01:09:45,389 --> 01:09:48,419
know, this is the time that this
stream is going to go live. But

1160
01:09:48,419 --> 01:09:51,569
then we will send out a push
notification through the pod

1161
01:09:51,569 --> 01:09:56,249
ping system which uses the hive
blockchain when the actual

1162
01:09:56,249 --> 01:09:56,699
strength of

1163
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,970
the golf ball falls down the
dominoes step

1164
01:10:01,350 --> 01:10:02,490
In the chickens walks

1165
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:07,230
into the spoon the spoon flips
over yes

1166
01:10:07,260 --> 01:10:10,290
yeah yeah they pours out a
pitcher of water and the stove

1167
01:10:10,290 --> 01:10:15,240
turns on Yeah, exactly. The
sends out sends out that thing

1168
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:19,170
then the app knows okay hit the
live stream now and then that's

1169
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:21,960
when it'll that's when you can
tune into the live stream then

1170
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,680
the Super Chat starts and the
pot and the booster grams start

1171
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:32,790
flowing okay it's perfect Okay,
sure I got I got the

1172
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:34,380
chicken egg part of it

1173
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:42,690
see aerostatic as soon as
another 2376 acid he just says

1174
01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:46,200
booster gram no that's what that
was it

1175
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,410
was a but we're gonna be the
first show to do the live right

1176
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,140
we're gonna yeah we got to do
that right here man Friday

1177
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:53,550
afternoon it'll be be fun

1178
01:10:54,090 --> 01:10:57,150
now yeah we bake this stuff in
house we yeah we eat our

1179
01:10:57,150 --> 01:11:00,300
own dog food and by the way
Steven beast still my man number

1180
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:06,150
one in my workflow has been
significantly shortened in time.

1181
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:12,300
Ease of use top notch brother
top notch the RSS generator in

1182
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,660
in Curio Kassar

1183
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,020
I'm sorry we need grants no we
need grams node so we can put it

1184
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:19,650
into our split

1185
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,310
Oh yeah. Dude keep with that on
the signal so we'll we'll give

1186
01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:25,950
you a guess split so in
perpetuity you'll receive SATs

1187
01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:29,160
when enter whenever someone
listens to this episode. Hell

1188
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,640
yeah. Yeah, free free money free
money. Yeah, I

1189
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:41,009
see. Anonymous through breeze it
says listening to 717 176 SATs I

1190
01:11:42,179 --> 01:11:46,499
love that 1776 says listening to
you makes me happy and hopeful

1191
01:11:46,799 --> 01:11:49,469
glad we're standing shoulder to
shoulder for liberty.

1192
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:51,930
Oh that's a good You bet.

1193
01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:52,740
Yeah

1194
01:11:54,540 --> 01:11:57,600
we do have some we did get some
hate those

1195
01:11:57,630 --> 01:11:59,370
that oh no hate boosts

1196
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,250
Yeah, we got we get to hate

1197
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:06,180
let's just let's just target
that to you by the way let's

1198
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:08,790
just stop for a second and
recognize the beauty of this

1199
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:15,960
situation. People are sending
money to send their hate this is

1200
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,890
yes great system alright. Wait
What did I do wrong? Why am I

1201
01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:20,640
being hated?

1202
01:12:21,659 --> 01:12:26,399
Okay, so anonymous through
breeze sent 3333 sets and he

1203
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:30,299
says you're the cringe one curry
looking down your nose at TIPS

1204
01:12:30,329 --> 01:12:31,289
grow the fuck up

1205
01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:35,880
bombshell. Looking down my nose
it dips

1206
01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:40,050
and and another one anonymous
3033

1207
01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:41,700
sounds like the same person.

1208
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:46,020
He says through breeze again.
Some of us work for tips by

1209
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:48,870
choice and make great money
doing it Get over yourself

1210
01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:52,230
I'm sorry

1211
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:55,320
I don't know I don't know. I
mean like this guy's really

1212
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,460
angry and not not sure why but
he paid us 6666 cents

1213
01:12:59,489 --> 01:13:01,859
no Yeah, no, that's that's the
dead there is it?

1214
01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:04,650
Thank you for that. I recognize
your poster.

1215
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:12,029
Okay, Beelzebub has taken over

1216
01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:16,020
bill products and his 500 SAS
and he says you were talking

1217
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:18,840
about live shows and live
donations with comments and how

1218
01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:22,620
would they work with boosts so I
was just throwing ideas out

1219
01:13:22,620 --> 01:13:25,440
there oh he's responding to what
was something we said Ross says

1220
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:29,640
Can I get a half power I don't
know if we have a half hour we

1221
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:37,740
don't have a high power I can do
this let me see I didn't have

1222
01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:38,430
that setup.

1223
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,560
Let's Beelzebub voice right I've
high power

1224
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:52,500
high power Okay,

1225
01:13:52,650 --> 01:13:56,850
there you go. I do you want to
start a podcast just for this

1226
01:13:56,850 --> 01:13:59,400
fun you guys have voices and

1227
01:14:00,690 --> 01:14:03,690
it gets old said this always
happens with new gear Believe me

1228
01:14:03,690 --> 01:14:09,360
gets old like stop with the
devil voice curry. Stop looking

1229
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,560
down your nose at tips.

1230
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:16,380
Yeah, yeah, grow the fuck up.
Bill. Bill finishes off by

1231
01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:18,930
saying go podcasting especially
the 2.01

1232
01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:20,100
podcast.

1233
01:14:23,909 --> 01:14:28,379
We'll get here okay. 13 133 sets
and these. This is from hard hat

1234
01:14:28,619 --> 01:14:32,669
through Curio caster and he says
pal have the pod. This pod pack.

1235
01:14:33,089 --> 01:14:39,689
I love the pod. Yeah. Paul
Saltzman gave us 12 120 sets and

1236
01:14:39,689 --> 01:14:42,719
he says adding to my monthly
cookbook support because I love

1237
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:43,919
playing with all this stuff.

1238
01:14:43,949 --> 01:14:45,929
Oh man. Thank you, Paul. Thanks
for that.

1239
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:52,800
And the last loser gram is 100
SATs from anonymous on breeze

1240
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,540
and he just says Nice job boys.

1241
01:14:54,780 --> 01:15:00,690
Thank you and then our our
monthly our monthly fees Get

1242
01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:03,690
some monthly so here we go. This
is really sustaining. Thank you

1243
01:15:03,690 --> 01:15:07,830
so much. I can see a lot of
people transitioning from PayPal

1244
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:12,570
to the booster Graham's really
encouraging these sustaining

1245
01:15:13,140 --> 01:15:15,960
ongoing subscriptions are very
much appreciated.

1246
01:15:16,379 --> 01:15:18,929
Yeah, every one of these
represents servers that we don't

1247
01:15:18,929 --> 01:15:22,529
have to pay for and it's
fantastic. droid works gave us

1248
01:15:22,529 --> 01:15:30,089
$20 Jeff Miller gave us $20 See,
Dred Scott gave us $15 Thank

1249
01:15:30,089 --> 01:15:38,339
you. Scott Jalbert give us $12
Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro Goncalves,

1250
01:15:38,339 --> 01:15:47,009
$5 Michael kimmerer $5.33 Terry
Keller gives 411 411 and Leslie

1251
01:15:47,009 --> 01:15:49,889
Martin gave us $2 thank you guys
appreciate that's

1252
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,770
very very much appreciated value
for value bring it with your

1253
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:56,520
time your talent your treasure.
We still accept COC bucks but we

1254
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,880
do prefer the booster grams
anytime you feel like boost

1255
01:16:00,090 --> 01:16:04,110
bring it on with a podcast app a
new one try one today new

1256
01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:05,460
podcast apps calm

1257
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,020
Yeah,

1258
01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:14,580
Graham what what are some of the
just most interesting uses of

1259
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:17,310
lightning that you've been
exposed to? Because I'm sure you

1260
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:20,280
know, we're pretty hyper focused
on stuff. What are the things

1261
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,810
that you think are interesting
just from maybe a technological

1262
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,690
perspective or maybe use case

1263
01:16:29,130 --> 01:16:33,690
Yeah, I mean I think I think you
guys are definitely on the I

1264
01:16:33,690 --> 01:16:34,980
think the front runners oh

1265
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:35,820
yes it worked

1266
01:16:37,650 --> 01:16:41,610
Yeah, I mean that is the
subtitle of the show.

1267
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,990
Now I mean seriously like it is
a it's always like my kind of my

1268
01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:52,710
go to example of what is
possible with lightning and it's

1269
01:16:52,710 --> 01:16:56,010
really just the the value for
value concepts whether it's

1270
01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:59,490
podcasting or video whatever it
is the value for value concept I

1271
01:16:59,490 --> 01:17:03,690
think is very very powerful and
is a great example of what's

1272
01:17:03,690 --> 01:17:08,040
possible with lightning and just
being able to send you know send

1273
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,650
money to anyone in the world
peer to peer you know directly

1274
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,420
in especially like inside of
these applications i think is

1275
01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:20,010
just I think that that is just
absolutely fascinating I love

1276
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,430
what you guys have built out you
know as just being kind of the

1277
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:28,590
front runners in that so I mean
I just I, I always go to

1278
01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:33,570
podcasting and value for value
in my examples. So many I think

1279
01:17:33,570 --> 01:17:36,750
you guys are like, you know, one
of the most interesting use

1280
01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:39,540
cases same with like Spanx and
all these things, which is kind

1281
01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:41,970
of like it still goes down
almost to that value for value,

1282
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,400
you know, thing at the base of
it.

1283
01:17:45,329 --> 01:17:48,869
I've seen that impervious day.
They're doing some crazy

1284
01:17:48,869 --> 01:17:51,359
experiments. Have you seen their
stuff? Yeah,

1285
01:17:51,390 --> 01:17:54,000
yeah, definitely the impervious
is a very, very interesting

1286
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,630
project. And I like a what a lot
of the things that are being

1287
01:17:57,660 --> 01:18:01,050
developed on it, like they did a
hackathon. And what is this just

1288
01:18:01,650 --> 01:18:06,420
it's it's called impervious AI
is their website and it's a it's

1289
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,630
almost like a layer three
technology or it's a software

1290
01:18:09,630 --> 01:18:14,550
that you can use to incorporate
lightning into applications so

1291
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,530
people they had a hackathon here
recently and people created like

1292
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,550
a voice service where you would
make phone calls and pay you

1293
01:18:23,550 --> 01:18:26,850
know for per minute or whatever
with lightning, things like

1294
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:30,450
that. So it makes it I think
it's I think it's honestly like

1295
01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:34,050
a tool to bring value for value
into these auxilary you know,

1296
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:36,810
different use uses outside of
you know, things like

1297
01:18:36,810 --> 01:18:37,440
podcasting.

1298
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:39,090
Interesting.

1299
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:42,510
Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
I'm not sure some of this stuff

1300
01:18:42,510 --> 01:18:45,840
sound seems kind of limited
because you end up having like,

1301
01:18:46,410 --> 01:18:50,010
if you're going to run a VPN
over over lightning payloads, I

1302
01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:54,600
mean, that's sounds a little
sort of walking a tightrope, but

1303
01:18:54,690 --> 01:18:59,370
yeah, yes. And I think some of
it is there like you know, for

1304
01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:04,710
that example, I think that the
the the spec of it is that the

1305
01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:07,020
VPN connection is using not
using the lightning network

1306
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:09,630
natively. It's still like a
separate application there's

1307
01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:13,590
still peer to peer but it ties
in with the lightning network to

1308
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:16,740
where you're paying per minute
but literally the packets on the

1309
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:19,770
VPN aren't traveling in like TLV
records

1310
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:23,070
Okay, so I guess that that
confused me because I know they

1311
01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:26,340
did that thing where they split
up the mp3 split up an mp3 into

1312
01:19:26,340 --> 01:19:30,750
all these separate ports as an
AMP payment and reassembled it

1313
01:19:30,750 --> 01:19:31,650
and played it back on

1314
01:19:32,699 --> 01:19:37,019
Yeah, yeah. And I think Yeah, I
think that's maybe pushing it a

1315
01:19:37,019 --> 01:19:41,579
little bit on should be using
this for but I mean, I think

1316
01:19:41,579 --> 01:19:45,719
that I think that the way that
you guys are you know, doing

1317
01:19:45,749 --> 01:19:48,539
like I think like incorporating
boosts and all these things and

1318
01:19:48,539 --> 01:19:51,149
you know, in the payload is, you
know, makes perfect sense of,

1319
01:19:51,179 --> 01:19:53,819
you know, tie tying the payment
to something.

1320
01:19:54,449 --> 01:19:57,029
So they're really billing
themselves as layer three.

1321
01:19:57,299 --> 01:20:00,929
That's interesting. Yes, yes,
sir. convincing digital

1322
01:20:00,929 --> 01:20:04,469
intermediaries in establishing
p2p data transmissions is a

1323
01:20:04,469 --> 01:20:08,009
panacea for consumer privacy,
data security, censorship,

1324
01:20:08,009 --> 01:20:12,179
resistance and countering
surveillance. We'll need to hire

1325
01:20:12,179 --> 01:20:12,449
you

1326
01:20:12,989 --> 01:20:14,069
Yeah,

1327
01:20:14,189 --> 01:20:18,029
I need an exit strategy and you
know this podcasting gig man is

1328
01:20:18,029 --> 01:20:18,539
killing me.

1329
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:20,369
Yeah, he's the voice

1330
01:20:22,949 --> 01:20:28,439
man. This is uh, you know, it's
it's pretty nerdy episode this

1331
01:20:28,859 --> 01:20:32,969
it was very nerdy but I know
that a lot of people are so

1332
01:20:32,969 --> 01:20:38,249
interested in just the whole How
does it work? What's it doing?

1333
01:20:38,249 --> 01:20:40,859
Where's it going? And you're
really leaving a lot of that

1334
01:20:40,859 --> 01:20:43,409
gray it's really it's really
phenomenal your great asset to

1335
01:20:43,409 --> 01:20:44,099
all of this

1336
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,010
well I mean I appreciate that
and I think that it is i mean

1337
01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:50,700
it's it's I'm a nerd at heart
It's hard for me not to not to

1338
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:53,160
get nerdy on a lot of this stuff
especially when we're talking

1339
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:57,090
about lightning network but just
you know, for anyone out there

1340
01:20:57,090 --> 01:21:00,240
listening that's interested in
this I mean, hit us up and we

1341
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,550
have like a good support team
that understands a lot of this

1342
01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:06,930
even from you know, not so
technical so you need any help

1343
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:09,750
at all like you know, our team
is certainly willing to help

1344
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:13,020
explain things or you know, get
you on boarded however, however

1345
01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:17,490
you want to do that, so I
apologize for being maybe a

1346
01:21:17,490 --> 01:21:19,080
little too nerdy on the episode
but

1347
01:21:20,579 --> 01:21:21,809
I blame that on Dave

1348
01:21:22,110 --> 01:21:25,140
Yeah, take it I'll take it bring
it now

1349
01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:27,810
but I mean, like so there's like
there's there's a lot there's a

1350
01:21:27,810 --> 01:21:30,990
lot a lot here and it is hard to
grasp but I mean, there's I

1351
01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:34,470
mean, just getting your toes wet
one step at a time is the way to

1352
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:37,410
do it. You know, we're as a
service is happy to help you and

1353
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,420
you know, whatever stage of the
journey you're in.

1354
01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:43,350
I like that they see that you
didn't mean it this way but us

1355
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:48,120
as a service. that's a that's a
great name for a product as you

1356
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,750
know, you as this will be an
ademar

1357
01:21:52,409 --> 01:21:56,309
totally us as a service. Dave
Yeah, anything else we need to

1358
01:21:56,309 --> 01:21:59,129
discuss before we close up the
meeting?

1359
01:21:59,820 --> 01:22:03,360
Now I think this was a this was
sort of a Bitcoin II techie type

1360
01:22:03,450 --> 01:22:07,800
episode we'll be back to podcast
or more podcasts focus episode

1361
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:09,870
next week. We're having Brian
London. Oh,

1362
01:22:10,019 --> 01:22:12,809
oh, my goodness. That's Well,
well, you know what's gonna

1363
01:22:12,809 --> 01:22:14,669
happen? He's gonna bring the
highest power.

1364
01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:16,800
Now. Yeah, now he's got the
jingle to prove it.

1365
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,520
Grant man, thank you so much for
everything you're doing. And

1366
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,700
thanks for joining us here at
the board meeting for today.

1367
01:22:24,419 --> 01:22:26,609
Yeah, I mean, thanks, guys.
Thanks to both of you. I mean,

1368
01:22:26,609 --> 01:22:29,639
you've you guys are like I said,
the front runners and push and

1369
01:22:29,639 --> 01:22:32,699
lightning and all this stuff,
which I i got i gotta commend

1370
01:22:32,699 --> 01:22:35,369
you both. I don't think we've
had time to talk about your

1371
01:22:35,369 --> 01:22:38,039
guys's Bitcoin journey or
anything like that. But I think

1372
01:22:38,429 --> 01:22:40,889
for you guys to come from, you
know, your experience and what

1373
01:22:40,889 --> 01:22:45,359
you're doing seeing Bitcoin as a
solution to a lot of these

1374
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:49,379
things is I think that's, that's
awesome. I think like, I'll

1375
01:22:49,379 --> 01:22:52,049
refer just a brief second, but I
think that you guys could have

1376
01:22:52,079 --> 01:22:56,189
taken this and created podcast
token and done a bunch of crazy

1377
01:22:56,189 --> 01:22:59,039
shit with it. That would have
been honestly pretty bad, but I

1378
01:22:59,069 --> 01:23:02,909
commend you for doing it the way
that you're doing it and, and,

1379
01:23:02,969 --> 01:23:06,329
and looking out for, you know,
these content creators, you

1380
01:23:06,329 --> 01:23:10,109
know, in an honest and sincere
way, so I mean, thank you guys.

1381
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:13,230
Well, it's it's a pleasure.
We're just having a good time,

1382
01:23:13,230 --> 01:23:13,770
right, Dave?

1383
01:23:14,190 --> 01:23:16,230
Yeah, yeah. If it wasn't fun, we
wouldn't be doing it. I can

1384
01:23:16,230 --> 01:23:17,070
promise Yes.

1385
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,360
Like, Alright kids, go figure
the podcasting yourself. Dammit.

1386
01:23:21,390 --> 01:23:25,260
We're not having everybody else
here in the boardroom. Thank you

1387
01:23:25,260 --> 01:23:28,080
very much for joining us. We'll
be back next Friday with another

1388
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:32,370
edition of the board meeting for
podcasting. 2.0 Until then, take

1389
01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:32,790
it easy.

1390
01:23:49,650 --> 01:23:54,240
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1391
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1392
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