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gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones
you're gonna have to bring back remember the podcast license?
podcast or license?
Yeah, podcast license calm. Yes, I recall. I recall. I think it
let me see if it still exists.
I'm gonna bring that back. mean, we're regulate we got to
regulate podcast.
Ah, okay. We're going there. Are we? Yes. podcast licensed calm.
Okay. Yeah, it sounds like it is there's you know, this, this
little thing that that was created 20 years ago really
probably a little bit longer than that RSS. I'm thinking it's
it's very analogous to Bitcoin It was designed to be attacked.
And like honey badger don't give a shit.
Is that is that the the masthead on podcast licensed calm?
Yes. Yeah. Honey Badger don't give a shit.
It's so much more appropriate for for this show. than it was
for no agenda. Because we got. I mean, we are the podcasting 2.0
show. We can give out we give out licenses. You know, we can't
give the slightest donation? Well,
the thing is, I'm afraid I have a feeling that podcasts licensed
calm that I don't own it. Oh, really? I don't think so. Let me
know. Is that a producer thing? Yeah. And I think the foreword
may have stopped. Let me see who is podcast licensed calm. Let me
see if I can find it.
Was it $33 to get a podcast? Was that what
Yeah. Or was 1111 or something like that? podcast licensed
calm. I was out. Private.
I mean, this was, what, 10 years ago? At least Yeah,
let me just check. Because if I have it,
the whole idea is I mean, you're you you can issue podcast
licenses because you are the creator of podcasting.
Yes, I have this I have this power. Yes, obviously.
Yeah. No,
I like I gotta find out who has it. I gotta find who has it and
see because it seems like it's not working anymore. Oh, wait,
podcast licensed calm. Is this? Do I own it?
You did all that through the world outline?
Yeah, yes. That's, that's why it no longer works. Hey, guess
what? I do own it.
Oh,
this is good news. Okay, yeah. All right. All right. Hey, let's
do something with that. Let's, let's issue licenses. Why would
we want to issue licenses, Dave?
Because the podcast infrastructure is a rogue
entity. It is going off the rails with with misinformation
and needs to be stopped. needs to be stopped. Ridiculous.
Would you like to elaborate?
Oh, yeah. Specifically, where's my? Did you bring clips? Oh,
man, I don't I didn't bring clips necessarily. But I can
make these clips be anything we need them to be?
Okay. You just have a bundle of clips that you carry around your
knapsack whenever you need to do a podcast.
Yeah, they're like clay eggs and won't mold them into whatever.
Now you know, the exact secret of the no agenda show is a bunch
of clips and mold them into a product. Yes.
Oh, are we talking misinformation in podcasting?
Play? I saw more lies.
Oh my goodness. Okay. More lies on our TV. Yes, it was a pretty
good one. Guess more lies on our TV? Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Okay. But that is not a perfect mold. But if it's no, this is
talking about that the article or I guess blog post or I don't
know what do you want to call it research project from the lady
to Brookings Institution? Oh, yes. This
was very interesting paper.
Yeah, this the challenge of detecting misinformation in
podcasting. And I guess the first I got a lot to say about
this. But the first thing that kind of stood out to me about
this article and i want i want to as a as a licensed Lin
linguistic analysis. What would you be you in NLP as a licensed
NLP investigator? I would like to get your, your take on
instead of using misinformation. She uses the term Potentially
thoughts information.
Oh, potentially false information?
Yes. Which to me is all information?
Yeah. Because even the truth can be your lying eyes. Right? Yeah.
blue dress white dress. Yeah. I
mean, we're gonna go full Cartesian. And you know, and
just say, you know, I think therefore I am.
Let me let me just set this up because I read this. Of course,
this came out a few weeks ago, and we're talking about it
because it was discussed on pod land. With an interview with the
woman, and I
had already marked up this document a week ago.
Okay. Yeah, I discussed that on no agenda briefly. and engaging.
Yeah, well, so there is one takeaway from that discussion,
is she is an adjunct professor already. She's, you know, she's
going for her her not adjunct she's going for her thesis.
This, I think this is her thesis. And like, and, and, and
I think it's very smarter for her to, you know, she's got,
she's doing interviews, she's got traction, people are
interested in this, which she now from what I understand is
going to turn into a much larger study, across 26,000 episodes of
podcasts. So she's really fundraising for it, because
that's how it works. Places like the Brookings Institution,
whether it's outside funding, you have to think tech, of
course. And I find it I can't wait to see what she comes up
with.
Well, I mean, the I just took a few notes out of this thing. But
she says approximately 1/10 include potentially false
information, there's that phrase 1/10. Way to look at 1/10, like
90 and 90, exactly.
Hello. Yes, it's people who happen. What do you expect? Of
course, I
mean, we used to call potentially false information.
What we used to call that was opinions like that. We were
putting new words on, you know, a very, very good,
a very good analysis right there. Dave Jones. Yep. All
right.
Well, I mean, so as she says here, given the wide and growing
range of podcasts, as well as their potential for spreading
misinformation, she used misinformation that time instead
of potentially false information. Why has this space
largely escaped content moderation debate? Well, I think
it's because just going to play this straight. I think it's
because people understand that these are conversations. And
when you have conversations with people, people give opinions.
Ooh, can I stop you right there?
Because I see this a little differently. Why is there no
debate about this? Potentially false information? Because you
can't comment on episodes of podcast. That's why there's no
debate.
Well, that's, that's one of her core things with me. She's She's
hammering this over and over. She says later, that, that's
like, see, and I'm
in agreement on that part. Like, yeah, we need comments is great
to have people debate about an episode of a podcast. I love
seeing that.
He says reducing anyone can publish content, but the
audience cannot respond directly to it, reducing the ability of
the crowd to fact check information like they might on
Twitter. So she's, she's big into having people comment, and
do reviews, which I'm on like you I'm fine with. namespace,
yes.
Please raise some money to fund that work. That would be
fantastic.
I mean, it's the Brookings Institution needs our PayPal URL
I can give it to, you know, it's in the funding tag.
It's right there in the front or, or you know, if you want if
you have a comment, if you have a comment about something, we
have created a mechanism that allows for commenting so we're
getting towards the Brookings dream.
Yeah, they're called booster grams. And you can use them
right now. But she says there's no, there's no meat. Unlike
social media platforms, there's no immediate potential for
public debate. And so that made me think of in this will
resonate with you, the old Dave Winer. Whenever he would, post
blog, blogs on his, I mean, articles in his blog. He would,
in somebody got into the comments, and started, you know,
rambling on some huge like, 10 paragraph thing is all his
response would always be turn it off. Start your own blog. Yeah,
exactly. Not a comment. This is a blog post, go by a blog and
post this on your own blog. And I'll link to it Yeah. Well,
that's that's the comment here. If you have a problem with with
a potentially false information on another podcast, go start a
podcast and Talk about that other podcast play clips, talk
about how wrong it is. Give your opinion to counter their
opinion. It's, it's the way the internet works.
It's actually the way people are used to working, it's the way
things and at the core work in societies like I, you know, I
have an opinion I disagree if someone else can say, hey, he
said this and you know, it's it's called discourse, it's
called intellectual intercourse. It's like,
yes, this is exactly what is called This, this, she says,
this makes podcasting, an ideal tool to inject false or
misleading information into mainstream discourse, while
going undetected. You see, this is
where it goes off the rails for me, because there's a there's a
big difference between, as you say, potentially false
statements or opinions, and malicious. Because that she
goes, the step is quick. He went from Hey, potentially false
information to maliciously placed false information. That's
that's different. injected is injected, right? Yes, yes,
injected.
And it's to me, I mean, do you want to hear, you want to hear
where there's a whole bunch of injected misinformation, and
false and misleading information to your church, the the hallway
at work, the lunch room at work, the sidewalk when you're talking
to your neighbor, all of these places, that you have
conversations, all of them are full of all kinds of potentially
false information. Because people are full of potentially
false information. It's the way people work. And no, in this
type of thinking of that we can go out and eradicate every
source of in I think this is clear, it's Putin but
potentially false information or missile misinformation. The,
the, the mind goes to, it's not science, science is is is mean,
it's not scientific. It's not fact. It's not physical,
verifiable, falsifiable fact. Well, that's not how the world
works. The world's full of people, people are squishy,
people have opinions. And if you this idea that we can control
that, that we can go out and just eradicate every instance of
misinformation in the broader world. There's much more
misinformation happening in lunch rooms and break rooms at
work, then there is in podcasting by about a million.
But with the idea that we can go out and stop that is absurd. And
if it doesn't feel absurd to you, then it borderlines on
scary.
I break my my opinion up into two pieces, because actually had
a true American experience, which I want to talk about in a
moment. But this paper, which I had kind of read talked about it
dismissed like okay, it's not the first time I've read this,
about podcasting. And I know what's, again, I see these types
of things like oh, potentially inject like, okay, you're on a
whole different, different trip here. But what I realized is I
was listening to pod land, and this is this is when and by the
way, for some reason, and I, this is my own personal issue,
James Cridland can say things that are very triggering to me
personally. It's and I have that with almost nobody. I wrote no
politicians know what it's like. I don't know exactly what it is.
But in this case, they he and Sam were discussing this paper,
and they were discussing it as if they pretty much agree with
it and are all in but they describe the problem not as
potentially false information. But when a podcaster is racist,
or says something wrong. And it's and is that part that says
something wrong part that that I really want to focus on. Now is
James Cridland, you know, what he's looking for is a way to get
people who say something potentially wrong out of
podcasting. And and, and but and I think it's good that he also
sees that well, you know, does that just drive the bad stuff
underground? Of course it does. But let's let's get a little
closer to the definition of saying something wrong. And you
know, and racist statements. You know, at this point, that's very
subjective. What is racist or not, you know, the term has
changed, but let's just focus on the something wrong. And so he's
looking for how, where, where do we stop this, and he, by his own
admission, has reported podcasts as saying something wrong, but
it really It comes down to two examples. Alex Jones and Joe
Rogan. Those are the only two examples that I ever hear. I
hear categories of examples, but never really anything besides
that. And as I'm listening to this conversation, I realize,
because these are obviously our bad guys, and I have compassion,
by the way for, for James, because I can only imagine what
it's like to live in the biosecurity state of Australia.
And his his state in Australia, specifically in Sydney. And I
think that people's amygdalas are hijacked, and we're on high
alert, and we're, you know, everyone's very, very jumpy. I
probably have a version of that myself too. But everything I
hear, and just listening to the whole show in its context, AND
and OR this this topic in context of the whole show. This
is not because they really give a shit about what Joe Rogan
says, I really don't think that they care. They don't actually
know because they don't listen. I've been on the show several
times, I find no evidence of any of the accusations that the Joe
Rogan has thrown at him. They want advertising. And this is
what I realized, and subconsciously, they are so
pissed off, that they're these bad apples that make podcasting
an advertiser evil, that they want those to be removed from
the picture. I do not believe that deep in their hearts, they
hate these people or really have take some tremendous issue if
you got into a conversation about it.
I don't know. I don't know how to ask them.
And I say that also because of the the Westwood One audio
scape, who are the podcast listeners. Just think of this
knife. You're all in on advertising and podcasting,
which everybody is and has been for the past 15 years. And we've
had infrastructure built out hosting companies provide
advertising by James Cridland lives on advertising. This this
study showed that the the typical podcast listener is in
the sweet spot at 34. The median age of the podcast audience is
14 years younger than the am FM rock radio audience. And much
younger than broadcast television network audiences.
The podcast audience profile is exceptionally attractive.
podcast listeners are upscale and educated 53 of persons 18
plus who have listened to an audio podcast, audio podcast in
the past 30 days are employed in a white collar occupation 39%
hold management positions 55% have a household income of
$75,000 plus making this group in an audience and advertisers
want to reach. So let me just say, after all these years of
experience and having tried it myself and raise money, you are
not going to get brand advertising on podcasting. And
the reason is not alex jones or Joe Rogan, it's that advertise
brand advertisers do not advertise on content they are
not intimately familiar with, they don't advertise on
television shows that they're not that they don't know what
the outcome will be. The only time there's ever troubles in
mainstream with advertisers when when something goes off script.
I give you Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction at the
Super Bowl. This this is how it works. Now. I had a very
American experience a true American experience. Because as
I'm hearing this, and I'm getting riled up because it's
triggering me I mean, I'm thinking oh my god. Yeah, and
really combined with this whole thread on podcast index dot
social, where James was being very funny. And you know, it was
the difference in language, language tags, and everything he
said was anti American and like, you know, oh, and you know, when
when we get mad, we go shoot up the place, you know, all these
like very stereotypical things like we're dumb hex, and then he
even said himself at the end of this thread. Oh, you know, I'm
just, uh, this is very racist fun game sorry to all. Now. My
initial and I hate to say this, but I had a moment where I
thought I'm going to call up his fuckin advertisers and tell him
how anti American he is. And let's see how funny it is. And
then I thought, No, that's exactly who we aren't. That's
exactly who we aren't.
Yet we'll push pushing back is critical. And that's why that's
why you don't, that's why you don't censor. Because even when
people push back and you think they're wrong, their ability to
push back is sacred. They're even even if you highly disagree
with it. And think that it's mean spirited, or think that
it's bad, actually incorrect or anything like that. But that
that brings me back to, to this idea that what she said was the
the intimate relationship between a podcaster and her
audience may mean that the audience will be more likely to
believe untruth. This is completely wrong. That is
incorrect. And that's something that you read, you read that
again, can you read that line? Yeah.
The intimate relationship between a podcaster and her
audience may mean that the audience will be more likely to
believe untruth to believe misinformation, because it's
coming from like a quote unquote, trusted source. This is
completely bogus. That is not true at all. And I can, I can
prove that, by my own religion by my own marriage, mountain,
I'm a very libertarian guy. I'm very, you know, anti government.
My, my wife is very liberal. Biden's supporter just
absolutely, you know, just, you know, very, very on board with a
lot of liberal agendas. And we disagree all the time. Now, you
cannot be in a more intimate relationship than a marriage.
But we disagree with each other, at least once a day on
something. And you know, and, and I'm bringing that up to say
that it's been that has been good for me. Over the last six
or seven years, it has been good for me to have that in my life.
Because it's tempered, my is tempered my rhetoric, and made
me listen more. So that again, it doesn't necessarily change my
opinion, it does sometimes. But for the most part, what is done
is made me more careful about the things I say and more self
analyzing about why I believe the things I do and why I
believe them in the way that I do. So just because something
just because somebody just because I hear something from a
trusted source, I can hear it on no agenda. I trust you a lot.
And we have a close relationship. But I'm just
because I hear it from you doesn't mean that I'm just like,
move, okay. I mean, we all have brains. And we all and sometimes
the most intimate relationship is is the time when you push
back the most on somebody. It's like that. That, to me, is I'm
thankful for guys like James and Sam, that they will do a show
that makes me sharpen my own thoughts about these things.
I think I think this is exactly the point I'm making about my
truly American moments where I had this just a total flash of
clarity saying no, I'm I am grateful for these guys in my
life. I'm truly grateful
for it. But because you resisted the urge to do the thing that's
the most feral
mm hmm, yep. It's we have to cancel press the delete key.
Yep.
Yeah. And the other, you know, if you'll indulge me in a couple
of stories here. The The other thing that bothers me a lot
about when this gets into the think tank realm, is that really
the only true final arbiter of these kinds of things is
government? Because who is going to have the last word in? what
is acceptable speech?
What is wrong, wrong thinking something
wrong? It's going to be government in some shape, form
or fashion, whether it's through a network of NGO type fact
checkers, what
we know is this already happened in the United States with our so
called hate laws. Your hate is not determined in US code is
there's no determination for it. But now we do have hate crimes,
which usually in for larger penalties.
Well, in in that regard, there's no there's no definition
independent definition of what constitutes misinformation, or
potentially false information. There is no definition for this.
So it's going to be it's going to be judged by a panel. It's
always going to tie back to government. And this and I want
to I want to, I want to tell this, a couple of personal
things here. My the part of the reason that I think the way I do
about government and about censorship and about these
things, specifically government goes back to the first six
months of my marriage 22 years ago, we were dirt poor, we could
barely put food on the table, we had to have my, my in laws, buy
us groceries, you know, two or three times, within the first
six months of our marriage, we were dead broke. And I was
working my butt off. And Mom, wife, our tag expired on our car
on like, towards the end of the month or license plate. And it
was like $150 to get to get a new to get to do the knock the
license plate. And so it's getting towards the end of the
month. And I'm like, Okay, if we can just make it to the next
month, where in my next paycheck, then I'll go down,
I'll take care of this. And I'm like, 23 years old. Melissa
calls me at work, she's crying. She got pulled over and got a
ticket from the cop for having an expired license plate. And
the ticket was like almost $300. And, um, and she's like, No, we
can't afford I don't know what I'm what we're gonna do, I'm
gonna get my life, we can't pay this and get my license taken
away. And she said, I beg I beg the police officer not to give
me a ticket. I told him we were going to pay the dude renew the
license plate next week. And he said, I'm sorry, ma'am. I'm just
doing my job. That experience of coming face to face with
government. And being told we don't care. The government
doesn't care about you as an individual. We care about you as
a number that that experience changed really changed me for
the for the rest of my life. That shows the Kafka esque face
of government at s as some add. And it really lays bare what it
is a jump. And we know we jumped forward today. And as of
yesterday, I'm now having in a very similar experience. And
this is my this is a very personal story for me. And I'll
bring this all back around to here in a minute. The about six
years ago, I got had a series of health problems. And they
ultimately culminated in me getting a case of shingles. If
you know yeah, if no, no was she I think you probably may
remember a
I know exactly what what shingles is. Yeah, it's it's
basically chickenpox for old people only fucked up.
Yeah. So what chickenpox if you had chickenpox when you're
young, in it never leaves your body it stays there forever, and
it stays in your spinal fluid. And under moments of a lot of
stress. It can is called the varicella zoster virus, and it
can reactivate and when it does, it begins to travel up your
nerve endings and eventually erupts onto your skin as lesions
sort of chickenpox like lesions
on your face on your hands can be anywhere right?
Yep, could be in your in your ear on your I could be mom was
on my on my left flank. So part of the in the pain comes from
the traveling the slow traveling over a course of a week or so up
your nerve endings up to where it eventually erupts. So this I
got shingles. And I've never been the same since. Now this
this is very rare. This doesn't happen to everybody. It doesn't
happen to very many people at all. But sometimes when a virus
and this is why I'm a strong believer in was so called long
COVID or COVID long haulers because I live this on a daily
basis once a virus gets reactivated in your system,
sometimes what can happen whether it's epstein barr or
varicella, zoster, or Coronavirus, or any of these
viruses, sometimes what can happen is it freaks your immune
system out so bad that what happens is your immune system
turns on and it never really turns off again. And what makes
you feel like shit, when you're sick, is not necessarily the
virus, it's your immune system is what makes you feel so bad.
Your own immune system begins to secrete all kinds of chemicals,
and it changes your body chemistry and it makes you feel
terrible. And I go through this so essentially my my immune
system is always on too high of an alert. If slight things that
I do in my daily life will plunge me into feeling terrible
like I've almost got the flu and it could last two three days it
could last a week or more
like atmospheric stuff as well. smog.
Yes. My little bit of humid atmosphere causes some mold or
something. Boom. Something to eat. Boom. I mean in. I deal
with this on every at least every couple of weeks. In an
unreal, I've dealt with it for so long for so many years now
that I hide it really well. And you wouldn't know it from
talking to me most of the time. But that's one of the reasons
why I'm so skinny. I can't gain weight. There's just there's
some, my immune system is constant. Oh, man,
I thought you were on crack. So at least I'm happy
with but that's the crack is for. It's just for fun. The so
then you so yesterday, Joe Biden, our illustrious president
announces that he's going to force every employee working in
a company with 100, or there has at least 100 or more employees
to either be to be vaccinated or fired. So one, I've already had
COVID have recovered from COVID of natural immunity and
antibodies, which the CDC has, in their latest study that was
published on September 2 says verbatim that recovered COVID
patients have at least as good protection if not greater than
the vaccine. But what I'm being told now is that I have to get
vaccinated. And this vaccine is designed to jack up your immune
system to make your immune system go nuts for a little
while, so that it trains your immune system on the
Coronavirus. You can imagine my fear of injecting something into
my body, it's going to make my immune system go nuts. I'm not
doing that. Sorry. It's not, it's not scientific. For me, my
personal body my situation, it's not scientific in any way. And
no doctor can guarantee me that I'm not going to end up
bedridden in the process.
And so by the nature of us even discussing this, this would be
wrong thinking and counter to the it could in fact, be
potentially false information.
Sure. And so what I'm what I'm saying, you know, and I'm gonna
bring, I'm bringing this back. And the reason I'm saying all
these things, is to say that what my government told me
yesterday was, we don't care about you. And your we don't
care about Dave, we only care about your number on a
spreadsheet. And you're going to do what we say. Or we're gonna
make sure that we get you fired from your job, to hell with the
science, to hell with your life and your loved ones. And you. We
only care about numbers on a spreadsheet. That's the way that
is the way government looks at everything because it government
is not a scalpel. That does search surgical precision.
Government is a club that bludgeons things to get it to
conform to its will. And that is not what we want, regulating the
speech or anything else in our society. That in those are the
two most concrete examples that can that I can give of the
danger of allowing government to dictate not just speech but but
anything in society in a in a tech knock a technic, technical
way in a technocracy style fashion. It's not it's not okay.
don't support it. In anything that claims to do that,
ultimately, we'll have one of those results, it will create
harm where there was no harm before. Right. That's it so
that, that when I hear things like, we need to rethink the
entire infrastructure, which is some of the things it was just
one of the things she said, we need to rebuild this entire
infrastructure to make migration
all that was missing from that was and we need to do it in
JSON.
Yeah, most of the smaller players in the field lack the
financial resources to carry out extensive content moderation,
and look to larger companies like Apple and Spotify to
determine what should be removed. This this is and so
there, you just go right back up the chain. You say, okay, we're
going to go to Apple, we're going to go to Apple, or Google
or Facebook and let them make those decisions because smaller,
smaller companies can make those decisions and they'll have the
financial resources to do it. Those aren't private companies
making those decisions. Those are Google, Apple, Facebook.
These are companies that are now in the crosshairs of the Justice
Department and Congress for being under my monopoly
suspicion. They are, they are not independent actors making
decisions on their own anymore. They are being under being
constantly pressured by the government to do things that the
government wants, because that's how they're going to keep from
being regulated. That's what I mean, when I say all this
ultimately ends up with government, because you can push
it up and say, you hear all this section 230 guys, on, you know,
on social media, they're like, no, this is this is not
government, censoring your speech. These are private
companies, they can do whatever they want. Well, yeah, they're
private companies that are also getting calls from the White
House on a consistent basis from the executive branch of the
government.
Now they're being threatened. They're being threatened by
legislation. That is the it is a textbook definition of
infringing on free speech, the government, and by the way, just
version for for everyone to understand the United States
Constitution particular the Bill of Rights. It is. If you look at
the the amendments, it is not right, given to the American
people this document, please read it. It's very, very small.
Every single one of these amendments starts with the
government shall not the government has no, right. The
government cannot. It's a guideline for what the
government cannot do. Now, when you get to free speech. We argue
over words like infringe, or, you know, this first and second
amendment, actually. So these are narrower. And by the way,
we're very good at changing the meaning of words throughout
history and language, etc. Before anything, Dave, thank you
very much for sharing those stories. You've never shared
those with me. I think that's right. That's, that was I
appreciate that a lot. And Hold on. Let me let me spark up the
bond for you.
Yes, yes, a small room is for smoking. And may
I comment on your drywall sounding particularly nice
today?
Sorry about that. No, no, it's very bouncy. And here it is bit
bouncy. Yeah. So bottom line. The takeaway for me personally,
is I'm super happy that I have the community around me and the
upbringing, and the values that do not make me want to eliminate
people who hurt me or trigger me or disagree or whatever.
And it's, it's critical to have to have pushback. Yes, it is
important. It's important, even if it's wrong,
and there's also a time when you just need to ignore. I mean,
this is I've gotten very good at this in the past. I think ever
since I was 50. I really, you know, it's been seven years for
me, so I got my shit together as a person. And some therapy.
Yeah, you know, like, there's a lot to just ignore. There's a
lot of trolls a lot of people who say shit, particularly
social media, and the best policy just okay. And I catch
myself a lot writing reply deleting before I even posted,
like, yeah, I'm done. Alright, I just, that's dumb and just get
out of my system. And then and then we're back back to
normal times writing it is all you got to do. Yeah, the posting
is like you write it and then you hit delete,
but, but let's just make sure that no one who was out there
yelling about podcasts has any more authority with what is
correct or incorrect medical information or scientific
information, if you want to even mathematics is disagreed upon
and I believe in math and your math. You know, the numbers add
up. And you can you can I think that's proof math to me is
usually proof. Even that is a disputed look at ciphered in a
moose, and what's the, the Black Swan guy? I mean, they disagree
on the mathematics of an economical equation, which, you
know, and they're they're arguing literally over
equations. Yeah. Yeah. So even that isn't isn't sacred anymore.
I mean, think about her name, tell her. See, one of her last
paragraphs here says, As a first step, it is critical to
understand the scope of this problem in order to identify
appropriate policy solutions to address the spread of
misinformation that that's why I said it all. It all ends up back
in government. You know, it doesn't matter what you're
disagreeing on, everybody, all your You ultimately always end
up back with the ones with the people who have the guns.
Because that's, you know, that's, that's where the buck
stops. And so that that tells you ultimately, okay, let's
talk. We're ultimately going to bring this back to government.
And I mean, just like, does anybody remember the bait the
babies and incubators from Kuwait? Gulf of Tonkin? I mean,
Syria, the all the Syrian gas attacks that turned out to be
bullshit. Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. It's Tuskegee
experiments. MK Ultra. I mean, they're the list of, and I'll
say this. I'm getting riled up against. I will say this, the,
the idea that your government will not lie to you is racist.
Yeah, that's sure, for sure. But it's only those other
governments, it's only China that would rely, it's only the
third world countries that you know, quote, unquote, third
world countries, only they would lie to their people are good
white, you know, Western governments would not they
wouldn't do such a thing. No, you know, no. Well, I mean, if
you live in that world, and that's great, great for you, you
must live in Narnia or something, because they're here
in the real world where actual people exist, governments lie to
us all the time, you know, at least the United States. So
the bottom line is for podcasts index and thank yous around, I'm
gonna go real. Yeah, thank you, the board appreciates your
updates your personal data, it's very nice to know about your
medical history and your marriage and all but you know,
to bring that around, podcast index, and and honestly, at the
urging of people like James, we softened our mission statement.
And, and really out of consideration for people with
other opinions, even though the opinion of you know, freedom of
speech is is it is very American. So there is, you know,
there's that. So we saw that, I don't regret that, you know, I
don't regret it either. But I just want you to know, you, we
softened it to the podcast index is here to preserve, protect and
extend the open, independent podcasting ecosystem. That's,
that's the top line, there's a second one there. So we soften
that, but make no mistake, we're a list of links. And we're not
going to take anything out for any have any reason, except I
know that you have removed illegal links to illegal
content. Yes. I mean, that. I don't think anyone there's no,
just no disagreement with that. And in fact, that is also
protected under Section 230, if you want to play it by the law.
But just as I can go to pod news.net, slash search and
search for x 22 report and receive the podcast results,
info wars, the alex jones show, it's all there. So I would
appreciate if other people from other countries might look at
their own shit first. If you have a problem lead by example.
You know, it's and that's the beauty of what we're doing is we
are not presenting anything in any manner other than here's a
list of links. And we're not surfacing show notes. If there's
something that we don't that this illegal, like an image
could be incest image or whatever you've deleted. Yeah,
then that has to go that's a legal issue.
Yeah. And then there's
everything else is just opinion and get over
yourself. And we also don't highlight things or feature
things.
We have no editorial.
Yeah, like there's no way you can't ask us to be featured on a
search popularity rank or something. It's just not that's
not the way we do things.
But it is a feature of of certainly now where everybody's
and I and I had a conversation with Scott Adams about this who
says he's a trained hypnotist I have no reason to doubt him.
That you think that now
you hypnotize me and but he also says no, the state of the world
today our our fight or flight mechanism controlled by our
amygdala is in in state of high alert continuously, all of us
have it. And so when you get those feelings fight or flight,
that's not your rational brain talking, and then stopping
yourself right then and there is very, very, very difficult. It's
very hard. But if we want to get anywhere, you know, even I mean,
look, there was a time I won't even go into it. And I'm not
here to give history lessons.
You don't want to give your medical personal medical history
and marriage history. My good right doing it.
Oh my goodness. Well, it was interesting. The only thing that
hit for me I've tried to hide my Tourette's all my life and when
you said you know I'm very good at hiding hiding your your
medical issues I really identified with that it's
tiring. It's tiring to, to cover it up or hide or whatever or
not, you know, not show it to the outside world that you got
some shit going on.
Well, because you're also nervous too. You're like, yeah,
yeah, I'm gonna lose my job. Yes. They're worried about my
health. Yeah,
exactly. I was a guy who was the guy on television with ticks.
This is not necessarily good thing for TV. get distracted by
it.
And that's what it's like, my official diagnosis is CFS is
chronic fatigue. And it's just, it's just a diagnosis of
exclusion is like, we don't know what's going on with you. So,
but you'll be surprised at how difficult it is to get that
diagnosis because that diagnosis is tied to disability. So
security. And even though I've never done that, that is a very
diff, those are closely guarded diagnoses. And I actually had me
and my men, Melissa went, we spent $10,000 to go to
California and see a specialist. And just one part of the many
1000s of dollars we spent over the last six years to own my
condition. And we saw God Dr. Kaufman out there, who is like a
world you know, he's infectious disease specialist. And so he
gave me that diagnosis. Well, there's a lot of, I mean, many
people you talk to with CFS are really good at hiding it.
Because you get whenever you get in public like I'm doing the
podcast like right now I'm all jacked up on adrenaline. Yeah.
And it overwhelms me overcome it. So I can sort of like I can
become the energy that I need to be and then I'll crash later. So
yeah,
I mean, it's it's ladies and gentlemen of the board. You
heard it here. You heard it here. We need to boost for Tiny
Tim is your cue to you know, you want 10s of 1000s of dollars to
help his his his crippled leg. He's walking with a stick.
I need a new crutch stick.
Dave Jones I love you. I love you. I will do I will do my
armpit. I will do a podcast with you any day. Okay, taking a
breath. Hey, congratulations to breeze who now is included
booster grams I had a great is really cool. So I see the
announcement. Today actually, Roy ping me I boosted grams.
Alright, so I get the new I'm on graph, you know, so I get the
new the new version. And I go for a booster gram. And just as
messaged you know I'm missing who to send it to. I'm missing a
change in amount. And I was so jarred, it was almost like my
one pod verse first came out with boosts and there was no
confetti. It was like, Oh, no, there's no Jesus. This is this
is confetti. It's not happening. We're not spraying SATs
everywhere.
Well, okay, this is also a problem with cast ematic. Now,
Frank Franco needs to hear this too. I know this is hard. It's
not easy on iOS. But frankly, you've got to put the confetti
in there. It's the brand man. Yeah. Have you used cosmetic No,
you're Oh, no,
no, I'm not an iOS. No.
Okay. Okay, cast Matic you hit the boost. And it just pops up a
dialog that says boosts it with an okay, but oh, no, it's not.
Oh, no. Oh,
no, this is but this is we need to strip him off his
compatibility sticker. Take his podcast license away. It's doing
it wrong.
podcasting tupuna certified it.
here's, here's what I love. So I'm looking at this, I'm like,
Ah, oh, man is hurt. So I hop on, hop on a message with Roy
and signal I dry man is going on now. But you got to know about
breeze. It breezes. These are traditional software development
cycles. These guys have cycles. They've I don't know if they've
worked together before. But they're very structured in their
approach. And very structured. And in prod. I think ROI is
really a professional Product Manager. At least that's what
he's doing. In this case. That's what he's doing. And he's doing
a very, very good job. Because he also does, you know, all the
telegram, he's, you know, he's on the GitHub, so he gets all
the feedback, and he's kind of that loop. And he has the
perfect personality for to know. Yeah. And so I say to him, Hey,
ma'am. I'm missing. I'm missing the amount. And, you know, we
had this previously when they first launched with, with boose.
You know, it also was you couldn't set the amount it was
increments of 100. And, and, you know, I'd like out, you know, I
think it's really important because numerology is often a
part of the message. It's almost like the subject line. And he
was like, Well, you know, we're gonna wait and see what what,
you know what feedback we get. I said, Well, should I open an
issue on the GitHub I said, and I sent him a couple of booster
Graham messages. I copy and pasted stuff we got in,
including one which I'm sure we will discuss today, which was a
large boost to Graham and I said, you know, Dude, just just
look at look at, look at the numbers, look at why it's
important. And and then tell me that that doesn't make sense.
And what I love about Roy's he said no need to open an issue.
I guess you know, I
still don't i don't think i haven't convinced about the
booster Graham to all. And by the way that is confusing for
me. But no one seems to care, everyone seems to like it. So in
the midst of all this, Roy was on What's that? What's the name
of the podcast, he was on with closing the lid and closing the
loop which I was not subscribed to. But I am now I dig that.
Because you have very good show and a very refreshing reminder
of ROI while breeze their take and how they are approaching the
internet. Not like they are web 3.0. But they want to facilitate
everything with a payment system. So kind of going the
opposite direction of what a lot a lot of other people are doing.
It is, in fact, I'm very happy to boost the gram. Because even
that he sees is not the way forward but he integrated it to
because that's just what podcasting 2.0 has presented.
And I appreciate that. I heard that he's doing live. And I'm
going to translate what he said. He's going to create only fans
for the lightning network. But it will be completely open. So
anybody can can use it that way or in any other way. So a one to
many live video streaming with streaming satoshis. Now, I hope
my hope is that we can integrate that with the namespace spec
because that's a lot of work that he won't have to think
about. You know, because he a typical breeze, they want to do
everything open protocols open source. And so I'm hoping that,
you know, our solution will fit into what they're thinking
there.
I don't see why I wouldn't I mean that it
well, you know, because there's a disconnect. This is where the
disconnect is. They are not in the in the mastodon active as
that's their culture of Bitcoin is more telegram. And so they
don't even know that how far we are with activity pub and
messaging breeze is going to do integrate with matrix
that's well, that wouldn't stop them from here. They wouldn't
stop them from the from the live only fans type?
Oh, no, no, no, no, that it's two separate days. It's two
separate things. But we're doing activity pub comments. That's,
you know, that's the road, the path we're on clearly. And I
think we'll see an implementation soon or there is
an implementation. So now that that's coming, where matrix is
just different, you know, it's just, it's, it's solving a
different issue. And I don't think that that works
necessarily for us anyway. My point is, that, you know, is so
beautiful to have these things kind of come come together and
meld. And in the midst of all this, Roy mentioned something
about the company and I verified it with him. And since they
implemented podcasting 2.0 they have made in fees Mind you, they
take 5% about a Bitcoin and an entire bit an entire Bitcoin. He
was gonna get me the precise information. But he said
somewhere between 0.5 and one, but he thinks it's closer to
one, GS and that and i and i believe that is without network
fees.
that's a that's a lot of jack. Ma that's, that tells me that 5%
may be the magic number for apps.
I Well, first of all, I don't know of a single person
complaining about it. Now, if you have now they have an
outstanding app they're doing this app breeze is is really
quite a piece of work. So I don't know if everyone values
every podcast app if the people using it are valuing it as a
podcast app or as a as a Swiss Army Knife of Bitcoin. But I
would like to say to our app developers, and really anybody I
have three rules of business. And most app developers I know
always violate number two. So the three rules are don't run
out of money, go borrow it while you still have some. When you
have no money is the best time to go find money to hear it is
do not negotiate against yourself. And three, if you
don't want to do something, raise the price. And this
negotiating against yourself is something I've seen throughout
my entire life. I've done it. It's very hard you put yourself
into into its value for value, by definition is negotiation
against yourself when you first start to do it. Oh my god, I'm
begging for money. Change your word. Change your world, hey,
you're producing this show, step up. You don't ask you don't get.
Right. And so, you know, it's always still a negotiation as to
what you want to ask for your services. But Holy crap, I mean,
that's a business. That's a business that can be a full
time. And I think that, you know, Brees is, is focusing on a
lot of different things. If they were only podcasting, 2.0, and
they were integrating the video, that could be their business
outside of all the other things they do, and not saying they
should, by any means. But you know, think about what can be
done,
you know, had a similar conversation with Mitch in
Nashville, we're just doing some napkin math about the value and
salads and all that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, breezes a
little bit heavier user base, because of its Bitcoin, the
Bitcoin draw there. But I mean, even even if it was just say,
5%, and you're bringing in, you know, I don't know 500. Both out
if, before you embark on that,
just one little piece of data. What is not true, is that you
need lots of users of your app to make good money. That is not
true. And our our daily node report that we get, which shows
the, which shows our earnings for the day, or on Sunday, for
the week, on podcast index.org shows that oftentimes, we make
more money in our in our fees from booster grams, with far
less transactions on certain apps. In fact, I can probably
point towards types of people who might use a certain type of
app who actually will boost more. So it's not it's it's
really about the app, I think about experience that attracts
people who use it in a certain manner. So you don't have to be
the number one. The guy on the block with users to make a
decent living, does that make sense? what I'm saying?
Well, yeah, I agree. And that kind of fits with what I was
saying is, we were thinking, Okay, let's just say baseline,
you could, let's just say you can make $500 a month with at a
five, let's just say a 5%. From streaming sets, within? Well, I
mean, that may not sound like a lot. But then what you've done
is you've, you've maybe covered your infrastructure cost. And
now all of your Apple subscription annual subscription
payments for your app that people subscribed to. That's all
gravy at that point, like, you can make day even if the day
Hold on, let me take you back. You don't need $500 a month, all
you needed was that $150 to get that tag renewed, your podcast
audience would have boosted that to you? Yes, yeah. Yeah, that's
his scenario. Yeah, cuz you if once you've got the the flow
there, you can just make people can boost straight to your app.
And if they know what you need, they can know people will step
up, and they'll help and they'll do it. And
I and I'm predicting to you now and I have a very annoying habit
of saying things are going to happen. And then it takes 10
years, but I am predicting for you. The way forward is not on
mass media. That is not the trend. It's hard to admit it.
The ratings are network television is losing ratings
left and light left and right. The ratings company Nielsen, in
fact is under attack. Because the network's don't like how low
the numbers are that they report. They've lost their
certification. Nielsen, the ratings company has lost their
certification, because they you know, they reported six to 10%
lower ratings than was fair, according to the network's
during the pandemic, and now they're all moving towards plus
three numbers and video on demand numbers and YouTube
numbers. They are changing right before our very eyes the very
definition of success in order to hop on the Silicon Valley
bandwagon which is Oh, you watch the video for three seconds
that's the view Yeah, yeah pay up advertiser
that's what they're doing. So Nielsen is bogus but you but
YouTube is somehow has more accurate numbers. Exactly.
What they want that they want that again, I remind us that
there was no outrage over a 27% dip in in the numbers on
podcasting. There was no outrage because oh, it's just because
Apple auto downloaded. I mean,
it was numbers were more accurate.
Yeah, the numbers exactly more accurate than ever. Now. That's
been extrapolated and what it doesn't matter. The game is
over. It's just over advertised has a place and, and it doesn't
seem to be in podcasting that can take into any kind of scale
without massive compromise. Every single Podcast Network in
the world has a division or is building out or is doing
exclusively podcasting for corporate clients.
Yes.
Even the swanky new guys on the scene that Cridland interviewed
all we're gonna create great content for podcast people can
monetize? No, they are creating things for corporations, which
is the same that happened with blogs, which is the same what
happened with websites, it's always the same. We all come
out, we sell stuff to go We'll make it we'll make it sound
authentic. We understand the hip new audience, short lived
strategy? And the answer is, we have in fact, we I'm gonna say
use the word, your podcast, what is a pod? The pod is around the
podcast it is eating is inclusive of the people who are
participating in the podcast through multiple feedback
channels. And collectively, you live in that pod. And whether
that's a tribe or whatever you want to call it and these pods
like bubbles, and sometimes two bubbles connect and they meld
and then there's crossover. And maybe you're part of a bigger
bubble. It's like the freedom raft in Snow Crash. If anyone
actually read the book to everyone, everyone could talk
about metaverse.
I don't know how I feel about your use of the word pie is very
conflicted inside.
I know I do this to throw you off. off balance, Dave, just to
see they're still listening. total success. So a big thing
that I loved was the leaderboard of booster grams. Who was doing
this? Because this blew me away. I didn't even consider this as
an idea.
Oh, you talk about an balls? Yes. And balls dot space. Yeah,
so what we did there was they had this leaderboard, it's
hooked into just standard lightning messages where you
post a message back to their lightning address their pub key.
And it's that WhatsApp style message, that same thing that
like Sphinx uses. So you post that in a TLV in then whoever,
whoever has mucins, the higher amount, they move up the message
board. So they're like on top, it's like King of the Hill. And
then so I love this. I thought I was like Well, you've got a
whole group of podcast apps out here they can send keys in. So
why don't so what I did was I went in there and in the index
and created a dummy podcast called m m boss leaderboard or
billboard or something like that. He can find it index so
that if you pull it up in your podcast app in boost it with a
booster gram, it shows up on their on their leader.
How do I spell m boss?
A MB o SS?
And whilst that space he said,
Yeah, I think it's I think the podcast is called like,
Oh, no, I was just wanting to see there. I want to see the the
website first.
It's right there on the bottom.
Yeah. Oh, okay. I see it. Oh, the key Sen. Billboard.
Yeah, yeah, keys. board.
That's it. Oh, that's very cute.
Yeah,
but this idea I mean, is you can take this so far with donations,
you know, for certain levels of recognition for historical you
know, I was here. Here's my proof that I was a part of this
show, you know, in in 1989. It's what we've been saying. Since
the beginning is once you have programmable money,
and the gate is open, it's Yeah, you open that star gate, man.
You can't there's nothing you can do all kinds of crazy stuff.
You can see on here on the on the leaderboard, it's got this
is a boost from pod friend. And there's another one testing from
pod friend
is awesome. Also, I wanted to congratulate Steven B. Yes, we
succeed, we succeed it works we successfully use the Curio
caster RSS generator for the previous episode. He actually
had a mid stream fix a couple days laters for the whitespace
is in the show notes which I changed and re uploaded. But the
point is it went well it went smoothly it went very fast I
felt so comfortable that after three and a half hours of no
agenda and that's just the podcast we get to getting up at
five I felt comfortable enough to publish yesterday's no agenda
episode through the RSS generator which by the way that
that is that is a big a big leap of faith because a lot of shit
happens when you when you screw up the no agenda feed is a lot
of social media to deal with and a lot of emails, all men less
helpful.
How much how many So how much how did you get any feedback at
all? Or was it seamless
was completely seamless I, here's, here's the a few things
that I, that I noticed one, just on the because I love the whole
process. And of course, this is a desktop I realized that I had
to upload my image since we do a new image every single time.
Because that just copy when you create a new episode, you can
copy the previous contents. And there was there were some UI UX
stuff that screwed me up and it screwed up some other things
with chap doesn't matter, that's part of the testing process. So
I had to actually paste in a new URL, but then immediately that
picture shows up in the, in the editor interface, so I felt
really comfortable that I'd done it, right. You know, that's like
those little feedback things. And I've been, you know, devore
I can I even got, you know, an image for him for the for the
first person tag, although not, as I understand, now, those
don't really show up if they're at the episode level. So we need
that at the at the feed level. The I mean, it was, it was copy
paste for the show notes, you know, there's just a little
extra setup because we hadn't set up the person tag, etc. And
it was good to go now I output the file. And you know, I
renamed it, and I opened it up, I just double checked it, this
whole process was much faster than it usually takes on the
freedom controller, because a lot of was already prefilled out
because you know, it just whatever it was, it was easier.
Maybe it's easier to make for me to make mistakes in the outline,
I'm not quite sure it also it has sections. So the freedom
controller outline is just one big outline. All the sections
are there and you change all the values. And this is like okay,
here's the show notes section now you're done with that you go
to the next one yeah, so you kind of go into in a checklist
fashion which is good for you know, crazy helicopter pilots
like me. What I realized and this is where I congratulate
Stephen B is I am now completely dependent upon Curio casters RSS
generator, for I have now skipped an episode in the
freedom controller, if his if his server is down. If it's not
responding, I cannot post an episode. So I hereby also demand
that that we put a 5% split to two Curio caster in this feed
in the podcast in the 2.0 feed.
Yeah, because he's not taken it. He's taken his 1% or whatever.
He is now a critical part of of this show. Because he's
infrastructure he's infrastructure if it breaks,
what are we going to do? I mean, I can create I can I can't even
I can't create the new episode. We're gonna have to go to
freedom controller cut and paste the new now it's not going to
happen.
Yeah, no, you once you skip an episode, you're in the mirror,
you're in the
host host host host. So I've put the future and safety and
security of my business partners and my family, including two
stepdaughters and family in Indiana and Chicago, in your
hand Steven B.
This is how the vortex works Steven you you've not you're not
these these sucked into the vortex
I also think it's a seminal moment more people than ever I
think was a verge article by talking about self hosting for
the very reasons we took the first portion of the show to
discuss people are moving away from from the established
networks and and and I will just say it again they're moving into
pods but the mastodon server is a perfect example. mastodon is
is a self hosting even though it's you know, we kind of have a
solutions provider for this but it's not a Silicon Valley
venture funded network now we still could actually have
problems with with with mass Oh dot host who host on podcast
index style social
because so far they
know I mean, they I've sent people there and said start your
thing over there and then it's like oh, no, we do we don't
accept anyone who wants to federate with no agenda. No
agenda social media. Yeah, it is you know because they they don't
want wrong think on their servers. I'm not too worried now
I'm not too worried about now. So no gender social calm is you
know, self hosted that's Matt Hamilton. podcast indexes master
dot host and I don't ever expect any problems but it could be it
could be anything you know, someone could just say I don't I
think this is wrong with this person is saying and I think
it's bad and should be reported or some of the lots of the
reporting goes on. That's not done. But if you're self hosted,
then at least they can't take away your community your pod,
but you can easily get blocked by by other instances forcing
people to find yet basically, Silicon Valley is now recognized
in the network known as the internet as a bug. And we're
just routing around it
is no problem. It's a it's a firewall that you have to play
punch through with with an you know, NAT traversal.
Yeah, exactly. You just Yeah, exactly.
And like that. That's, I mean, to tour. The tour. I think a
tour is a stupid idea. From his standpoint,
it's undervalued. of privacy. No, it's undervalued. I'll tell
you why it's undervalued for me. I couldn't for the life of me
get any ports open properly on my sub Yes, my sub my knotted
knotted Bitcoin node. My raspy Blitz, but boy, does it work
with tour.
Yep. That's why I'm like if you're if you're trying to use
Tor to like, you know, get away from be shady and get away from
the government. You know, you got another urinated. You
got Yeah, you got another thing coming to the endpoint.
Yeah, but if, but if you need to set up your stuff without using
something stupid like UPnP. towards your guy.
Yeah. Yeah, totally. There's
no, there's no ports. There's nothing to just work. Beautiful,
is you can run your own servers, your own sites, everything from
it is awesome.
Yeah. It's not the fastest in the world. But it gets the job
done. gets the job done.
I like the way that our episodes are breaking down here. our
interview with open from last That was awesome. A lot of
people commented on that. Yeah, a
lot of people commented on that. I was just smiling from ear to
ear. When I was x. I listened to the show again, because I was
just I listened to most of our shows, I guess.
Do you listen, you listen to it? Because I listen to our shows
too.
Yeah, I sometimes I'll listen to no agenda for a bit or to see
how you know how something came across. You know that thank you
drug for your chapter work. Mo facts I cannot listen to again.
Because that's, you know, I I have my own takeaway and it's
just I just want to leave it where it is. But this show y'all
listen all the way through. And so you know, it was so fun to
hear him say when he he had didn't really know about booster
grams. And then he's just like, you guys are magicians,
Gandalf and Dumbledore.
He cracked me up man.
My favorite part was my favorite part personally was when you
called out the German people for their genocide in Namibia.
It's true. I know. But it's who the who knew who knew that the
German genocide test was in Namibia. So we got a guest
coming. I'm like, Oh, well, here's here's my standard for
anything in Africa. I will search for name of African
country plus China. That's where I start. Yeah. So if you want to
know what happened in Guinea this week, you know, where,
where all of a sudden, there's a military coup, where the guy
trained by the CIA, G and then you see g a very rare moment g
says, Hey, man, you know, this is not cool. But this is our
guy, because they completely own Guinea is like, oh,
anyway. Yeah, that's like a Middle Eastern name of Middle
Eastern country plus pipeline. standard fare.
Yeah. That's that's how you do it. That's how you learn about
the world. That's your history lesson.
Do we want to boost pranks on
people? Yeah, we want to boost the grams first. And then we'll
do the the cookbooks This is the value for value feedback loop
and it's getting more fun every single day, particularly with
booster grams and people are switching from Pay Pal to
booster gram and really appreciate that. So you can go
to podcast index.org get on the bottom there's a Donate button,
the red one you click on that or even in this app right now, if
you're using a podcasting two point app, there's a funding
link. I don't say this one enough. You just tap on that
where it says I think in like pod verse it's a little money,
little money coin dollar thing and tap on that. It'll open
right up. You can send us your Fiat fun coupons. But we love
the new boosted grams and want to see as many people as
possible switch. Who do we have to thank today, Jay? Dave?
shave? I said shave. Yeah, I
don't know why. Let's see. Well, jedem we have a mic. We have
Mike Newman. Might he is the keeper of the team's repo that
gives proper credit to everybody for their for their
contributions to podcasting. tupuna
Ah, yes, yes.
Thank you for doing that. Mike Newman, you know what I've got a
problem with. I don't think I do it all the time. But I have a
problem with smacking I'll start that way and I need to stop.
It's really it's really more a it's a, you can remove that with
your processing it I don't do you hear it that much on the
show? I don't. I don't know. I don't know hear me. Okay. No, I
filter all that out. In fact, you sound like a woman on the
show.
We can talk later. Mike Newman gave us 77,777 SATs.
This was the one I showed Roy.
He's like, Oh, yeah, that numerology thing. That's pretty
good.
Well, but truly, it didn't matter. It wouldn't have
mattered if it was 777 or 77 for this astronomical number, but it
was beautiful because it just come in that day. Let me just
grab something from today's batch. Oh, look what I found.
What is Mike say?
Mike says Adam wants these briefs. So this is a PC 2.0
birthday booster slam that launches me over the T shirt
threshold. phase four namespace looks halt. Thank you for your
core carries. Love is lit.
Man, thank you so much. David Newman. I love that. I love
that. And also congratulations to the lightning network.
Yes,
I mean, that's that's that's not that's not a micro payment. You
know, that's a that's a baller boost if we ever saw one.
Let's see. He sent he's clearly sent in some accounting here and
he said 36 that was $36 at the time he boosted Yes, this is a
big boost. That's a badass
boost. Yes and T shirt on the way.
Yeah, man. Thanks, Mike. Thank you, Mike. See some Tell me if
you think this is the case. It looks like all the breeze.
booster grams are are anonymous. They don't have names with them.
Yeah, they don't because there's no there's no there's no name to
put in the app. Gosh, I
guess I missed that in the message. I'm
I'm I missed that one. Crap. Something Oh, but that's going
to open up a whole new candidate can of worms.
Well, just know that if you're boosting through breeze and you
want credit, you got to put it in the message put in messenger.
Anonymous 1000 SATs is boost grand number two because the
first one was only 100 SATs. Yeah.
Thank you. There you go. You did not negotiate against yourself.
No.
Another breeze anonymous 1000 SATs. Oh, this is not this is
not anonymous because it says love from satoshis. Does stream
satoshis dot stream who opened it? not one but two to 5 million
SAP channels to us.
Oh, yeah, there's big channels, although I think they can't what
big channels
you have. I know. Right? But and I think that they've pushed a
lot of that first one to our end. So you know, we're
basically balanced.
Oh, well.
Yeah. Because they they give us a piece of when people are
taking it out. They give us a percentage. That's where they
help us. And that's really appreciated.
That service is getting tired. They're doing good stuff. See?
anonymous from breeze for 100 SATs. Oh, this must be the the
f4 mentioned 100 set mistake in the messages. A fat fingered
this. Okay. See? arrows, arrow statica D The Who? He who
invented the term booster. gram. Yes. Gave us 10,000 SATs. Yes.
You expect that you expect the booster grandfather? The booster
the booster dad, you'd expect you'd expect him to you know to
know what a true boost is? Oh yeah, that's a 10k is a boost
baby.
Well, I mean, you get to determine you get to say what is
a podcast and what is not and he gets to determine what a
histogram is. That's right.
And so we're oh it's all copacetic
Yeah, I had to pull over and boost because some guy in Africa
just said the word booster grant I'm psyched about
of course. You did that bro. You created that in that fun? It's
like it's like you know it's like the the first the first
confetti from which swings did first
no Yeah, you do and it's like who are you
and I just see it everywhere you know as it makes you feel good
makes you feel part of a pod.
Stop offering my system gave us 49,049 said holy
crap. Boost Thank you so much.
Over Citadel checking in for the board meeting boost. Nice.
Little we got here. Our buddy Karen. Karen down from the mere
mortals podcast. Listen to this
great appearance, Dave. Oh, thank great you're on an
interview tour. I was not informed because I typically
like to drive the campaign bus but okay. You want on a full on?
You've been on the bus cast, you're on the mere mortals. The
mere mortals was really good. Oh, thanks.
Karen Greg,
it seriously very, it was, yeah, you have such a good demeanor
about you. Thank you, and you're very complimentary of me. So
again, a great appearance.
Boost incoming karrin gave us 11 123 sets. And he says he
always he always has really good notes. He says open was such a
blast amazing energy. Is there any sort of way to notify or
maybe emphasize to a new podcast or enabling value for value on
podcast or wallet calm to alert them about the power of booster
grams actually sent open a booster gram a month ago and
like you mentioned it's nice to have that loop closed so that I
as a listener, have a good assurance that my messages are
going through. Great to have you back after the break and
congrats on reaching the 2.0 anniversary.
Thank you Now did I know we opened a channel to open did he
get the script is he squared squared away in the booster gram
script so he's got all that well I
sent it to him and he said he's not real great at Python but he
would tell me if he needs help. Okay and I haven't heard back so
I'm gonna assume
because I also want to put How do you know if I can do this?
Can we go and wonder if in the Curio caster RSS generator can I
go I don't Can I go back and edit a previous episode because
I'd like to put him in the episode level block
down man I got no clue.
How about this? How about just I'm sorry to interrupt but for
for today. Why don't we put just as a test to see how it works
with Curio caster it was an episode, episode level split.
Yeah. Now I know if it reads if we have episode level splits, do
I have to put everybody in there otherwise they don't get paid?
Or if it's or does it always look at the default too and you
know, like kind of the way everything works in RSS.
It's a full override full override and look Yeah, it's
only going to look it's not going to like merge it with the
channel.
Okay, hold on. So if I go to he was on episode was that 50 to
two? Yes. Okay, so
and if I just say turn on RSS editor Hold on. Let
me see if this works. I can always edit it by hand and put
on Oh, dude, I can edit it. I can edit it right here. I can go
back and edit any episode. Steven be beautiful. You are an
electrician like none. It's
just well welcome to the vortex David.
I screwed we know we know what this is. We've we've been
through this. We know this joy. Hey, that's great. Okay, so I
can go back and put that in. Are we gonna Should we try episode
level blocks today? So we do we'll repeat everything we do
for the full override and add in Curio casters and extra Benny
for the 5% as a test and we can add them at the top later.
Yeah, okay, let's do it. Alright, because it could screw
everything up. So just saying she's not no agenda is the is
your other show. That other show? No that no, that other
show is both x this is that other
other other other show?
Yeah. All right. The z be beavin our b e a V in Oh, you are
leaving our sounds rice 10,000 SATs. She says here's some
here's some stats to stack
Thank you very much. Hold on a second I got to do a call out.
And now as the French say it is time for the boost not not
having enough foreigners that boost us got to talk to them in
their own language.
So they understand
also works in Iran.
It does
French French it's Africa everywhere. Oh yeah. The French
man that they they get a pass on that whole colonialism thing.
But we know we know what's going on. They still control the money
of six African countries.
Yeah, it's like it never happened.
Or it's not got nothing to see here.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Si p c psi Mac p psi ma si. Si IMAX. IMAX.
That's what I'm gonna say. Beside Mac 1000 SATs and he says
adding to my monthly donation. Hashtag no tip. Yay. Exactly.
Not tipping,
not tipping podcast.
The mozzie BMA si gave us 333 sets. He says, Welcome back and
this last week and check over and over, hoping it was just
late. The
mass. Yeah, exactly. And I want everyone to pay attention how
disruptive that was. We've been so consistent with this show.
Very proud of our consistency. This one just really, really
didn't work for a whole bunch of reasons, which I think we should
just blame on Dave's health. And we can just say, now that we are
now it's out in the open, Master Dave's health we couldn't do the
show this. But I think everyone felt off kilter. He felt he felt
really weird, like something's wrong. And so this whole idea of
of, of podcasting, I just want to reiterate the thing I say
every single time, consistency is key. People adjust their
lives. Now, you may put it up on a Wednesday, and people may not
listen to it until Thursday morning. But if you shift
everything shifts, and and people get, I mean, this is like
orange pill. I love the orange pill podcast. They're doing a
you know, the F Ilan tour. And now I rarely listen to the last
Wednesday one, but because I like it when they have guests.
And somehow they've mixed it up. Sometimes they skip the Sunday,
which was horrible, because Sunday is the guest day and
that's where I want to decompress and listen to
something else after you have no agenda. And it's either not been
there or the Wednesday shows up on Friday, and I'm messed up.
And I'm upset.
Man, I'm the same way with pod news is sometimes of a wake up
if it's not there. It's not there. Like if I wake up early
in pot, and I'm like, Oh, wait, it's like it's like 30 minutes
early.
That happens to me on Saturdays. I wake up Where's pot news?
Saturday?
Yeah, cuz I've got the whole routine. I boost. A boost 2112
SATs every every episode at the very beginning. And I'm like,
I'm just lost. I'm like, What am I doing?
Oh, no, no, no, I only stream one set a minute as punishment.
Yeah, I once said, Oh, yeah, no, I'm totally one set a minute. So
you get three sets, but I'm a booster. So I'm fair. If
something's good that I'm going to boost you, I'm going to boost
you, I'm going to boost you 1000 or 500. And I'll do that a
couple times. But otherwise, no. Once once. It's like it cost
somebody more for me to do that. It doesn't even go doesn't
actually leave the station.
It stops on LNP. Okay, but mozzies and another one 333.
sets. Yes to still think value for value. Hmm. Okay, that's all
the histograms
Well, we really appreciate the booster grams. What if this
segment is starting to be good? And it's just and here you go.
This is part of what we were missing. And it's not even about
the money or the SATs or the it's about the loop being
closed. This is cool. The take that take that Brookings
lady, Brookings lady, the next her next article wive why the
dark net of internet programmable money and
podcasting is evil and needs to be stopped. That's right.
And then I have pictures of us with black bars over our eyes.
No with wizard hats.
And Dred Scott will just have his actual profile picture.
These these two progression that money wizards face,
and there'll be a quote they'll be quote pokin from Namibia says
these guys are magicians. I mean, it's perfect. I can see
it. I can see now to the Fiat fund coupons.
theophan coupons. $100 from Thomas Sullivan Jr.
Does he already have a T shirt?
He says Emma says Lord.
Right on Thank you. Thank you, Thomas.
He says thank you to Adam and Dave go podcasting.
Yay. Oh, misfire. Yeah, well, there was one in the chamber
already.
Sorry. You stovepipe it was Oh, here we got monthly donors here.
Let's see, by the way with some of these monthly donors never
like send us a messages or anything. If anybody on here
needs us to pick up some stuff for you. I mean, let us know.
Yeah, please
do the monthly should monthly is are so important. The monthly is
really keep the server's running.
I try to I try to give you know info about each person if I can,
if I know but some of the people just don't know if you got stuff
to do. So listen, I'm David metus. Good old David gave us
$10 Fun Fact Friday podcast gets you. Joseph maraca gave us $5
Cameron Rose $25 Jeremy Knew $5 Greg Thomas $5 Lauren ball
$24.20 pod verse gives $50 pod verse there. James, if you're
listening, get with Mitch, about the accessibility stuff that
he's done in part first, you know,
I sent this off to the three blind guys this is so important
i've i've had deep contact with the with what is I don't forget
what the politically correct term is these days but anyway
the blind community, as I always say, googly eyed mofos they love
me. Yeah, but but from what for? What for 18 years you know it's
like these were the first people like Hall Oh my god. Oh, so a
podcast by itself enriching the world of audio for people with
vision issues. Is it You have no idea how big a revolution that
when underreported Revolution Revolution show, right. Yeah,
but, but I'm but I'm going back to the podcasting. 1.0 When that
happened, it's like, you know, this was we had books on tape,
you know that that's where we're at now we had shit to listen to,
that would just come in. And so a lot of time was spent by some
very selfless teams. And I'm pretty sure Andrew Gromit,
there's probably iPod or lemon, but they really put in a lot of
accessibility. So the screen readers will work so often
forgotten these days, actually, it's an a violation of the
American with Disabilities Act if you don't have accessibility
in your in your app. But I was on the three blind guys show,
which I don't know them the three different blind guys, I've
never, I don't know, these white guys. I know other blind guys
and gals too. But I haven't, but I completely understand where
they're coming from. And you know, I'm, I'm also an auditory
person. So we get along really well. And they were talking
about this. And so when I didn't know Mitch was doing this, but
when he said that, you know, he kind of relayed the story of how
utterly the whole app failed with a screen reader and that he
just, you know, just said about going to fix that is hugely
appreciated. And what I need from him really is a is a really
cool, good tweet that explains this so I can blast it out. But
I sent it on to the to the three blind guys and I hope they got
in touch to give some feedback because they are they're
podcasters they understand this stuff and so they can they can
close the loop hopefully.
But I got to know Mitch really well in Nashville, and I guess
been nighttime with him. And he's written like, this is stuff
that's close to his heart. He's he's uh, you know, just a so
he's just a social aware socially aware guy and really
has done a lot of stuff and And is he doing this full time now?
Is this his full time job as he made this step?
I know he's not full time he still he still got a day job,
but he's
teasing that he we've got him the closest though man.
Yeah, yeah. And raise your fees. Yeah, seriously. 5%
look at look Look at this. Look what you did. Look what you did
man for for blind people.
That's amazing.
Look what you've done for the poor blind people for Tiny Tim
with no eyes. You've done a great great Oh, that's
near him. I got to cry.
Sorry, I can't hear and I can't see I got I got the double
trouble. Now this sentence that's worse. That's what that's
worth five minutes. were five points. To take five points off
the top Mitch.
Christopher Cierra Burke, Jr. Barbara. Tara Barak gave us $10
Mitch Downey coming in a second time with $10 and Mike Newman
with $10.66 and that he said that will be his last yes I
saw the cancellations come through Yeah, good good because
do that with the boost man like tax those channels? drain drain
my pipe. I should probably rephrase that. Hmm.
Yeah. Then break it. I did. Well, I mean, are in the show
mix today from raw is so dirty. And this is a fair This is just
a warning. Fair
warning. We should do a second. I think I have this. Yeah, I
have one of these. This is from mo always has me play this.
Morning. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. activated. Just
so you know. We need to we need to tag for that.
Yeah, when the mix starts. head out if you can't handle it. All
right. I gotta get back to work. I get nothing else. Oh,
geez. Yeah, we've been talking way too long. I'm sorry for
keeping you busy. But this was this was fun. So on next week's
show, I believe we have a special guest who will Now we
pre taping the show with him on Monday or so. Yeah,
me and Melissa will be out of town on Friday next week in a in
a way that there's no way I can do a show so we're gonna have to
pre tape on Monday night.
Right and but we're doing that with our guests who's going to
talk about Bitcoin energy usage?
Yeah has McCook from he's down under and he's an environmental
engineer and he's done a lot of work on Bitcoin energy
consumption and emissions. He's pretty much the expert in this
and I can't wait. I mean, like it's, this is an issue that
needs to be discussed because there's a lot of socially aware,
environmentally aware people in the Bitcoin, excuse me in the
podcasting world. And they need to understand that a lot of the
stuff around it one's energy usage profile is Fudd. And he's
gonna he'll, he will be very instrumental in setting some
people's minds at ease about about that whole
while also giving us some information that that we can
use. Though the one of the stepdaughters is here, we
haven't seen her in 18 months either. So it's really nice to
have her. Yeah, this is, especially for Tina, you know,
Mom, daughter. And she's very, very socially aware. She's done,
dabbled a little bit in local politics. They lived in Chicago,
now moved to Maine. And she's reading this huge book called
debt, which is the history of debt. So she yeah, oh, yeah,
that's and I'd sent her the Bitcoin standard for Christmas,
which she still hasn't read, which she still hasn't read. And
I said, Well, you know, once you finish your debt book, you
really should read that. And, and, you know, so but she
immediately, of course, from her environment, millio, as well,
but you know, it's really any, any money be sucking up the same
amount of electricity is the entire country of Namibia. Now,
and you know, and so then my response is, well, you know,
okay, so the dirty Bitcoin versus the Petro dollar, you
know, you can go down that hole forever. And, you know, and then
you say, well, but if you look at it on the grand scale, it's
1/10 of a percent of all energy uses. And I can see that that's
not working. That's not the answer that's going to work.
They like how he, and one of the reasons I contacted him to have
him on the show is I like his approach, which doesn't look at
energy consumption as much as it looks at emissions output. And
that's where you see some drastic differences. Okay. And
he's qualified to speak to this as an environmental engineer.
He's also Australia. He's also Australian, as we know, they
don't say anything wrong. So we can. Ah, okay, just a quick
congratulations to I think Alex that he finished up the pod ping
hive writer, I know that that's kind of probably worth
discussing, but we just didn't get to it.
I got to get you back to work.
So how do we do this? We never had an end of show mix. Do I do
that? And then play the end music? Or do I play the end
music and all the cool we should?
Do the end of the day, the end of the show? Do the standard
ending and then
put it after that? Yeah. So people can can bail if they if
they feel like it?
That's the finish line. They can get it that way. roofie.
Also, he created cast coverage.
Yeah. Cast. Yeah. Cast coverage. Yeah.
So roofie is multi is multifaceted. This guy. And
always so enthusiastic.
ej pops in with an email like once every four months. It's
like, Hey, here's an industrial mix. So yeah.
So thank you. roofie. He has a we need to put him in the in the
value block.
He doesn't have a node he doesn't have a node. No. Just
doesn't care.
David's Always a pleasure to do a podcast with you, my friend
and I love doing it here in this beautiful boardroom. Thank you
all for building it and we'll be back on Friday. Take care, Dave.
Please tune in then for another episode of podcasting. 2.0 see
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Oh, and then you put and then every single payment that goes
there you just publish the comment.
Yeah, what would the publishing mechanism be like? No
fucking magic, Dave. I'm surprised you haven't built it
yet. Fucking magic Dave. Fucking magic Dave fucking magic Dave
fucking magic
you can be the guy you can be the guy you can be the guy you
can be the guy
you can be the guy getting to hold fats every minute all
sounds cool sounds like so there's just the two holes that
there's like so there's there's like so there's a there's a
there's a great idea I ran must face draw. I ran must face draw.
Oh my god oh my god
you're a poet
the publisher read registers with a hub somebody who wants to
be notified when there's when the fee changes also registers
driver on the piping is a essentially it's a great idea
great idea great idea
boost his ass and I was like