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podcasting 2.0 for September
3 2021, Episode 52 celebrating

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our first anniversary, one year
of shows, one year of podcasting

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2.0 Hello, everybody, time for
your weekly board meeting,

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podcasting. 2.0 everything
that's going on around podcast

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index.org, the namespace value
for value, podcast index dot

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social, a special guest today.
And I'm Adam Curry here in the

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heart of Hill Country, Texas in
Alabama, we've got the man who's

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been making my technology dreams
come true for over a decade, my

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friend on the other end, ladies
and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones

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week, a week, you know, like two
weeks feels like a year. That

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mean you miss one week and you
feel like you've you know, done

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something done something
terrible. This is,

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you know, whenever I people say
to me, what do you recommend for

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all podcasts, there's the one
thing I've learned is you've got

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to be consistent. If you do a
weekly show, do it every week

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and do it on the same day and
try to release it even within

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the same time period. Because
people start to adapt their

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lives to it and start to
anticipate it and get all

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excited. And man, I saw a lot of
people upset that we didn't have

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a show last week.

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I mean, I was upset that we
didn't have

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me to

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see the stack of crap I have
here to talk about and I know

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I know. Well, I was in the in
the lowlands I was visiting my

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daughter was her birthday last
Friday on the 27th

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your birthday today it is yes.
Happy birthday, my friend. Thank

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you very much. Yep. 57 I did
great. feels really good. Good

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number. I'm liking my wife gave
me an AR 15 for my 57th

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birthday. How many guys can say
that?

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That's, that is awesome.

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But not just an AR 15 a black
rifle, a Black Rain ordinance.

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Are you familiar with these?

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was not until I saw the picture
of it on Twitter. Like I love

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the comment. This is this is the
new rain state. Yeah, like this.

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The rain stick and someone else
it looks like the scorpion

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attack is ramping up over there.

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Yeah, that attack is over. But
the funny

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thing is, is Tina went out and
you know, she called some of the

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hill country patriots and said,
Oh, I'm gonna get this first

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birthday. And so they're all
these like, ex military dudes,

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you know, in the gun shop with
my wife like, yeah, let's get

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him this.

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Let's put this bid on. He must
have a lot of self confidence.

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Anyways, so yeah, there's a lot
to talk about. We have a super

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guest on today. I'm very excited
about. Yeah, but we let me see.

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I guess it's kind of to catch
up. I it was so nice. I love the

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dev call podcast that Brian puts
up of the of the dev call

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because it's like, oh my god, I
have to go searching everywhere

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to find out where there's a
recording. It just shows up in

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the app. So watch that was a
great dev QA a lot of

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interesting ideas.

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It was it was really good. I'm
getting to sort of catch up with

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things and Phil Mike pod Pang is
is in really good shape. I mean,

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Alex is, you know, just kicking
ass on that thing and putting it

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together into the end Docker
rising it? And I feel like I

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feel like that thing is is it's
a product all by itself, man.

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So when he when he sees Docker
eyes, that means I can run my

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own pod ping service or?

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Yeah, yeah, straight up. I mean,
you just yeah, it's just like a

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Docker pool and or it will be
you know, when it once it's

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fully baked. I mean, it, it's
already you can already do it.

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But once he gets everything
ready, it'll be just download

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it, install it and good to go.
Yeah, nice. Nice. I want to

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remind everybody of our
positioning, which I'm very

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proud of the more I read it, the
more I like it. The podcast

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index is here to preserve,
protect and extend the open

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independent podcasting
ecosystem. We do this by

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enabling developers to have
access to open categorized index

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that will always be available
for free for any use.

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Who has a Dred Scott said that
we need to change that on the

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Pay Pal to Yes, I

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saw that. Yeah. Everyone's
always looking out for all

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aspects of a man. I love that.
Oh, before I forget some I'm

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talking about New Tech. Nice
exhaust.

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Oh, thank you very much. That
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like since we didn't have a
podcast last weekend. I thought,

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Okay, I need to actually fix
some crap on my truck that I

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mean, this is my this 65 Ford is
my daily driver. I mean, I drove

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it everywhere. And it was
halfway falling apart. It was

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things falling off of it. It was
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be done. So I'm now fully
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Nice looking exhausts. If you
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really shiny bit. Oh, okay.
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the new little

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beautiful man. Beautiful.
Thanks. Yeah. So they were We're

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interesting topics like
commenting, and how that

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integrates with, I guess we're
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feels to me we're somewhere kind
of in between the live stuff the

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the notification for live, which
somehow also kind of flows over

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into some of the possible
commenting systems. I know Alex

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was pushing for an activity pub,
which seems for comments, which

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seems a little overkill to me

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for comments. Yeah. Well, I
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pub. Well, I think we may be
getting confused again. Yeah, I

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think so. comments and reviews
or comments and chat. I'm sorry.

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So you can have you know, and

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why don't you just tell me what
what's on the table? So I have a

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better understanding and or
whatever you think wherever we

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are. I was out for a week. So I
don't know I was smoking weed in

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Amsterdam. The hell do I know
anymore?

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It's cross app comments, and is
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his goal is the goal

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is what is the goal? Yeah. And I
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activity pub. Brian with cast
pod cast pod and pod friend.

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Yeah, yeah. And so I think you
may be talking about activitypub

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linked to booster grams.

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Oh, yes. I'm sorry. That's what
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part. You're right.

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So you know, I don't

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I had one. I just have one
comment. Yeah. from someone who

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uses this stuff all the time. I
do not want to encourage anyone

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to be writing long notes,
period, end of story. That's it.

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And there's a reason why Twitter
restricts their, their character

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amount. And it's simple. It's
it's a whole different

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experience if you let anyone do
whatever they want. And so

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besides the other hurdles it
might take to connect a booster

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gram to an activity pub message,
and I understand all the cool

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authentication stuff that this
is really my message and all

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that. But if that's gonna enable
people to send Warren Piece I'd

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rather not have it. I'd like to
restriction I really do.

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I think he's thinking about it
in terms of protocols instead of

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because it because really, I
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booster gram, it works. But it's
kind of hacky. Because what

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you're the whole context of that
conversation came about because

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we were talking about the
limitations of what you can fit

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into a single lightning message.
router. That's Yes, yes. 1300

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byte payload roughly. And then.
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I mean, if we need bigger stuff.
So for instance, you know, we're

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trying to pack a whole lot of
things into this into this TLV

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record. And so you're wanting to
put in a URL, the timestamp, the

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name of the podcast, the name of
the episode? Right? There's a

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lot of stuff you get in there.
And so if you look at your

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overall limit of 1300 bytes, you
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current, you're getting cramped
here, and you don't have much

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left over now, if you have in
all of this was in the context

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of somebody who I think Martin
said that his to his message

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booster Graham may have gotten
lost. Yes, yeah. It's so I don't

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think we were thinking that he
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message, and then it just

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went away somehow. And then it
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I ended up finding it later, it
did come through. And I think,

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and I'm not I haven't had time
to figure out why it didn't show

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up in our histogram push. But we
were talking about that. It's

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like, Okay, well, what happens
if you overrun that 1300 byte

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limit? Right? And the answer is,
nobody knows.

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Well, can't we just test that?
Can we just put a whole bunch of

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junk in see what happens? Sure.

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Yeah, they'll I think Brian put
in like two paragraphs worth of

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lorem ipsum. And nothing like I
don't think it even went

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Oh, okay. So it doesn't even
stand out. But yeah, I

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don't think so. Yeah, so anyway,
that was the whole context. So

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Alex was saying well, you know,
the problem God The reason this

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is a problem is because there's
no protocol here only is true.

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There's like spray and pray.

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Yeah, and this and this, I
believe this will all change

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with bolt 12 when we get the
open invoices is that is that

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how do you think that open
invoice it will still work

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through the same basic Real Time
Protocol where you need like

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keys and where you need to be
have a note up all the time.

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Yeah, I think it's actually the
spec and the value spec. And

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that's something worth talking
about too. You know, It's now

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formalized it Yes, the namespace
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Hello value for value in the
namespace fees for.

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Yeah. And so it's it's fully in
there it's, it's it's

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formalized, it's not a proposal
anymore. And I really want to

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thank Gigi for helping, cuz he,
he went through and just double

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checked everything. And he wrote
the item overrides. And one of

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the things he also did was he
put in the support for app. So

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in that the value block is ready
to go for app slash open

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invoices as well, bolt 12 should
work fine.

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Excellent. So we don't have to
change the spec when when bolt

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when that gets implemented.
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what I'm seeing is how almost
everybody thinks that bolt 12

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will coincide or will live
alongside of keys, and for some,

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you know, period of time,
probably a long time. Then what

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should happen is everybody's
keys and will just continue to

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work. And then at some point, if
a podcaster wants to switch to

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amp, they're open open invoice
bolt 12. They'll just confusing,

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an AMP amp. I know amp already
works. Bolt 12 is something

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different than just,

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yeah, amp is the multi path
payments.

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Yeah, and that's already
functional. It's just this, I

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should stop saying that, but
they they're easy to confuse. So

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bolt 12 is mine was the switch
that they should be able to just

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generate an open invoice a
static invoice, and just plop

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that into their value block and
change the type from lightning

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to into amp, I think is what is
what it is. I'll have to go back

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and read the spec anyway, that
it's ready to go. So it

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shouldn't it should be a
seamless transition.

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We don't have to belabor it. But
I did have an interesting

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experience with ln URL, which is
now implemented in a lot of

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these apps. And here's, here's
what the, here's what was most

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interesting. So ln URL is the
way we can just have a URL,

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which could, as an example, be
connected to a chapter, you

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know, to a chapter so I have a
URL, you tap on the URL now my

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graphene iOS, it opened up
something I'd never seen before,

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you'd open up this whole panel
of all the different lightning

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apps, I have that our ln URL
compatible. And it said choose

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one. And you know, zap wallet
was was one Exodus, it had blue

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wallet, bl w breeze. And so I
chose breeze, it just pops it

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also just get boom in an
invoice. And you hit send. It's

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that simple. So and but actually
the example is a chat app. This

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is why I bring it up. So for
each each time you want to send

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a chat message, you click the
URL, and then you send that

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message with you know, whatever
required SATs, and then it shows

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up in this running chat with
people talking to each other by

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sending sending it through
through ln URL. And I think it's

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that's all back end. Right. So
if that's not completely

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centralized on that chat app, I
presume, but it's just

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interesting was a very
interesting interaction. That I

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think we should look out for
something somewhere down the

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line, it might be handy.

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So what did people say? I've
heard people say that Ellen URL

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is hacky? Is that because it
requires like this little this

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local soccer,

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because all of this shit is
hacky? What do you mean? Why is

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this hacky? Okay, we just talked
about TLV booster grams. That's

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not hacky? No,

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no, that's perfectly legit.
Like, I think it's got something

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to do with that you're running a
local HTTP server on that you

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run an HTTP server on localhost.
And it's sort of like roquet

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running and you're running a
website on your node in order to

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take this stuff and do

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right. It's it's a lot. Yeah, a
lot of extra stuff. Yeah. I just

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thought it was interesting.
Oops,

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no, I guess you're down. Yeah.

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Yeah, okay. No, my Lambo in the
neck. The next thing Finally,

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which I thought was also
interesting was timestamps for

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batching payments. And this is
this is a good conversation to

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have because everyone's looking
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logistics of, of sanding with
fees, etc, etc. And everyone's

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very cognizant of the importance
of by using some Well, the

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perceived importance of using
some of this for statistics and

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seeing, you know, looking at
listening habits, and I guess

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we're all looking for a way to
batch payments but not lose the

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valuable time information as to
when someone was listening to

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something. Alright.

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That's, that's part of that
whole conversation of how much

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room Do you have to put that in
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Yeah, I got you. That's how we
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do that, you know, more time for
timestamping folds less less

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space we have for the booster
grant message.

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It Well, it's not just that you
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and you're gonna say, well, am I
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Oh, you gotta do that,

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too. Right? Goodness. Well, it's

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the it's the full structure.

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Well, these are fun challenges
to have I like is your cute a

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booth? That's right. What are
you doing? Oh, you want to?

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Please boost us because we're
helping you use the boost to

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boost the boosters.

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Yeah, that I mean, that's that I
think that's what prompted this

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whole discussion of your I
didn't go outside protocol on

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this. And, yeah, we're not ready
for that. No, we're not ready to

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go to even talk about that yet.
You know, because it's like,

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well, you want to ask if you
want to talk about it, but then

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you want to talk about it long
enough to determine that is too

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big of a date and thing, you
know, put onto it later.

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meetings or

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what? But that's okay. I mean,
that's really valuable. Everyone

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had everyone said something, and
we have all these different

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ideas. And it's on deck, you
know, it's like, everyone's in

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everyone's brain. I dig it, you
know, go away, we'll figure

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stuff out. And always something
always kind of comes out of the

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bottom.

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Leading the Leading the bleeding
was last night. Yeah. Oh,

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yeah, I was. Unfortunately, I
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at the airport, which is quite a
drive for us now. So I missed

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it. How was it? No,

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it was great. Yeah, it was
really a lot of fun. I came in

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about 30 minutes late because of
something with my children's

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school. That knows really,
really good. A lot of people a

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lot of questions. I mean, how
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people do you think we're in?

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15? All right. A lot of new
faces that I've never seen

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before. So

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and Dave recorded this, I
presume? Yeah. He

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said he's going to edit it up
this weekend. And then post it

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is cool. Very cool. A lot of
good, a lot of good questions. A

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lot of people that were like,
Hey, what is this? What about,

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you know,

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was it all new people and people
who also were already using

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value for value or what was your
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I think 90% of them were new.
Perfect. Perfect. Gary, Gary

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aren't and Caitlin, and Daniel
J. Lewis. Were in there. And

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Dave Jackson, of course, but I
mean, most of the rest of them

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and go Karen down. He was in
there. But pretty much everybody

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else was fresh faced. Cool.

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Very cool. I'll put a link in
the show notes. I'm so I'm so

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happy that Dave's doing this.
Fantastic Dave Jackson, man,

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what a legend.

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He's the perfect guy to do it
too. Cuz it's like, you know,

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he's just got that laid back
approach to things. So I think

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maybe we'll talk about some
namespace stuff. Later on with

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our guests who

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might have some input since he's
a real user. Yes, sir. I'm

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extremely excited. Today we'll
be using the RSS generator. It

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failed on the last show. Which
is the Curio Can I actually call

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it the Curio blaster just so I
can remember in my head, the

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curios last. The Curio casters
for receiving the Curio blasters

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for sending. And I can't I can
Yes, tm, I cannot wait to use

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all the tags because that's,
that's what's so cool. I mean, I

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could even just start a test
feed next. Anyone can do this,

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you know it once this works. And
I'd have a good feeling it'll

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work today. You can basically
just say, here's my feed. And

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then you can import that. And
then you add new new episodes,

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fill out all the tags, and it
spits out a full RSS feed with

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all your previous entries and
the new one with all the new

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tags. And then you can put that
as a separate feed for testing

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or replace your current one.

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So it's self holster crack is
what it is self

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hosted crack. Yes. And I have a
feeling that, you know, once we

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get this part working and
Stephens motivated, you know, he

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could easily tie this into Oh,
certainly the blueberry API I

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think. I think that's just ready
to go. right the way word the

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WordPress plugin does it,

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as far as I know, you know, and
I still have to, should be

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remiss, because I haven't
contacted. Gosh, I'm losing my

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mind today. Mike from from
blueberry. Right, right. Right.

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Right. I haven't contacted Mike
to see if that's actually the

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case or not. But I'm really I
think it is they tout their API

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all the time. So if you if you
can post it through WordPress,

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you should be able to post it
directly with some other

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interface and we'll see why it
wouldn't work.

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It'd be great. Well, I'm just
excited for us. Yeah, I'm

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excited by this stuff. I love
it.

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I'm actually brought i'm i've
got a whole new rig here.

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Oh, what do you have?

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I'm talking to you from Ubuntu
20 pawning, running my lightning

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node running an umbral. So I'm
talking to you, oh, my umbral

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workstation here.

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And you're using the your
Scarlet interface on the on the

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bison Evo four.

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Okay, but it's plugged in your,
in your boon to rig. Yeah, yeah,

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the Mac. Mac is totally out of
the picture now I'm on. Full

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Ubuntu.

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Welcome to freedom sun.

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Yeah,

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yes, it's working great. I mean,
it doesn't sound bad, does it?

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No, no, that's perfect. But just
a boon to in general, just all

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all of the Linux variants. I
like mint and they won't laugh

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at me. But it is so comfortable.
You it's like Windows Mac

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doesn't matter what you're
using. This thing is just

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everything's in the right place.
It's all what you expected. It

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gets out of the way.

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It's fast. I haven't done
desktop Linux in God, probably

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seven or eight years. It's it
works now. Yeah, I was able to

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zoom in. I can run. Run. I can
run every piece of software. I

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need to run on this thing.

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Yep. Yeah. And even if you have
to run a Windows app wine has

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improved a lot over the years as
well.

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My PHP storm. Mighty is working
fine. I mean, like it's there's

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nothing I haven't hit a single
snag. Yeah. Always. just ran. My

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lightning road is running on the
same. That's the same box. love

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that.

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I love that. She did we have
anything else you want to talk

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about? I mean, I know you have a
list. Anything that you want to

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hit before we bring in our
guest?

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No, I don't think so. I mean, we
we we should go out and bring

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him in.

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I think it's a good idea. Now
we've been very excited about

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having our next guest on. Mainly
because I don't think we've ever

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had anyone from the country of
Africa on the show. We've moved

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on to the continent continent,
I'm sorry, yes, excuse me, the

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continent. But also not from
this country. And there was a

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great blog post or medium post
about him that Roy from breeze

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wrote who is an outstanding
writer. And he wrote this great

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essay about our guests, and it's
titled lightning in the wild.

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It's the from the jump podcast,
and we might as well just bring

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him right in right now. Ladies
and gentlemen, coming to you

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from Namibia in Africa. We are
very happy to welcome Nikolai

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Oaken Chung Guerrero. Hey.
Hello, hello, Africa. Can you

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hear me?

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Thanks for the correction on the
on the continent and country.

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I know God must hate it when
people do that.

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Not really. I enjoy correcting
them because it's a learning

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moment. You know what I mean?
Sometimes you just need a

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learning moment.

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Well, I actually know quite a
bit about Namibia, because I

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thought we were interviewing you
two weeks ago and so I did all

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my preparations. I'm like, Oh, I
know. All I know. And I and I'll

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say right off the bat that Vin
took I don't know how you guys

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pronounce it when

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you're very close. So we just
say bento quinto but it's almost

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the same. It's the translation
is windy corner,

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Quranic. Afrikaans makes
breaking

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bread praten. So you're using
the Dutch the Dutch more than

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the Africans perhaps zero
Afrikaans. Let's just stick with

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English. lot better for me to

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nobody. Namibia is a super
interesting country,

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historically speaking. Correct.
And, you know, it's, it's very,

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it's Dutch, but also really
German, I would say. Because the

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Germans tried out their whole
extermination business first

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time around in Namibia did not
mean that it wasn't the first

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genocide everybody.

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Correct. So like, they used us
as the as the test subjects for

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what they then did to the Jewish
people. So so it was basically

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during World War One. There was
a whole, you know, that was a

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time when Africa was being split
up amongst the different

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colonial powers you have. And
it's like, yo, you get the

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southwest and you get just south
and you get north east. And you

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get just around here. And they
started. So once Germany lost

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the war, and they went through
the time of shame, and they had

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to basically bring their entire
army down to the size of, I

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think it was the terminology was
the police force of town. The

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entire like, countries put like
army was only allowed to be that

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big. And they went through the
depression and everything.

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During that time. One of the
things was they gave up Namibia,

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to the UK. And then so basically
was the thing of the Hey, South

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Africa, you guys are supposed to
just, you know, help these guys

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transition in the meantime until
they're ready for independence

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and in South Africa was like,
Whoa, free money. They were

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already doing apartheid in South
Africa. They were like, Oh, so

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we get to extend this. Yeah,
you're not even gonna check that

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one out. And then yeah,

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it's almost like that's what it
was all about, right?

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I mean, at the end of the days,
it's profitable. Why else doing?

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So now you were born and raised
in Namibia been there all your

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life?

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Well, not all my life but born
and raised. Yeah, Namibia,

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Namibia is home. I studied, I
finished off my honors degree in

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South Africa. And then I did my
masters in China. Oh, wow. Yeah,

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I've traveled a bit where I
could, I've been to the states

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as well. When I was a child,
like around the age of 1314. is

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very, very interesting. Like,
very interesting. I got stopped

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at every every single airport I
got searched, sir escapes me in

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America, for

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in America.

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From when I landed at JFK all
the way to go to North Carolina,

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to go through back to rely up to
two new york the whole time,

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every airport, like laid on my
arm was even like, what what is

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it about this child that you
get? Really? He's 14? Like,

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I apologize for that experience.
That sucks. Oh, it wasn't only

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in America. It's happened to me.
That's what I mean. Yeah, we

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should be better than that. But
you know, we're a bunch of

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racists over here. Yeah,
Correct. Correct.

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Yeah, around the world.
Everybody's always got away to

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just yeah, make people feel a
bit worse than they are feeling

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at the time.

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00:26:47,789 --> 00:26:52,379
Well, the the podcast universe
and the Bitcoin universe

443
00:26:52,589 --> 00:26:55,289
completely supersedes all of
that. And this is this is

444
00:26:55,289 --> 00:26:58,109
obviously a great example of it
and and I was gonna say that

445
00:26:58,109 --> 00:27:01,079
when to correct that San
Antonio, Texas, which is just

446
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,049
down the road for me and went to
our sister, sister, sister

447
00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:07,739
cities for some reason. So I
feel I feel closer to you for

448
00:27:07,739 --> 00:27:08,309
that reason.

449
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,159
Oh, I'm already I'm already
gonna check that out. I might

450
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:11,849
just fly down

451
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,060
to San Antonio beers on me. Well
hang out. So don't say that.

452
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:23,730
Namibians drink, bro, we could
win. Okay, all right. Well,

453
00:27:23,730 --> 00:27:28,170
that's why we're Sister cities.
That makes sense. So how did you

454
00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:31,110
get into podcasting and you
know, we're very excited because

455
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920
you're using value for value,
but you had a whole path that I

456
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,470
loved reading about, and it
would be great for you to just

457
00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:40,770
tell us kind of how you got into
podcasting, and then

458
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,590
subsequently value for value and
what your experiences have been.

459
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:49,410
Well, firstly, thanks for having
me on, guys. Like, I have to say

460
00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:52,530
what you guys have created and
what you guys have done. I don't

461
00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:56,340
think you guys totally
understand, like the gravity of

462
00:27:56,340 --> 00:28:00,960
how disruptive This is, like,
fully, I mean, you're talking to

463
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,440
somebody that's on another
continent. That is what is like

464
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,940
2.7 million people in my
country, most towns are bigger

465
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:14,700
than that. And our landmass is
like, it's not like we live in

466
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:19,200
like a luxenberg type of, you
know, setups massive, like you

467
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:26,010
guys. You know, you could have
some Hector's on here. So, so

468
00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:28,260
what you guys have done is
really reached, I think places

469
00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:30,840
just, it's just, I need to tell
you that before we start that

470
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840
it's reached, some places you
probably haven't thought it

471
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,620
would ever reach.

472
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,799
Well, and that's brilliant. And
thank you very much for that.

473
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,859
But you know, it's really it's
not Dave and Adam is not Dave

474
00:28:40,859 --> 00:28:43,349
and Adam and Eric, it's, it's
you know, we've got a whole

475
00:28:43,349 --> 00:28:48,029
community that has just risen to
the occasion. And, and everyone

476
00:28:48,029 --> 00:28:51,509
is and then this is what I mean,
it turns me on big time, man, I

477
00:28:51,509 --> 00:28:53,879
get up in the morning. I'm
excited. But I've never made no

478
00:28:53,879 --> 00:28:59,999
money to job I've loved so much.
So really, it's really

479
00:29:00,689 --> 00:29:04,709
appreciate that so good. So and
to hear it you're working for

480
00:29:04,709 --> 00:29:06,779
you in Africa is just makes us
feel super.

481
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,130
Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get
into just how much it works is

482
00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:14,190
actually quite. Okay. So let's
just start at the beginning. So

483
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,110
how I got into podcasting was I
was fucking bored. Right? First

484
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:21,780
lockdown, everybody was bored.
And I'm like, why am I sitting

485
00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:25,200
here? I have recording equipment
from like, I bought in Asia when

486
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,780
I was there, so that I could
finish off the last black

487
00:29:27,780 --> 00:29:31,050
walking albums. I was like, why
don't I bring this life because

488
00:29:31,050 --> 00:29:35,430
I'm already doing voiceovers and
things to make money so I can

489
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:37,980
interview people that I know
around the world. I've met a lot

490
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:41,220
of creatives while being a
creative over these years. So

491
00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:45,300
let's just talk to some of them.
So I call the creative and also

492
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,640
a family member of mine out in
Australia, and I was like, Hey,

493
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,120
man, would you mind us recording
a conversation we have like

494
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,540
visually and like audio, I want
to test some things out. And

495
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:56,640
he's like, do you know how to do
any of this? I'm like, Fuck no,

496
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,990
but I'm gonna find out like
School on YouTube. And it's

497
00:30:00,990 --> 00:30:03,480
like, you know what you sound
like you want to do this. So

498
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,260
like, go ahead. And we'd
recorded the first episode and

499
00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:11,310
edited it down everything just
downloaded fuckin Final Cut goes

500
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:14,190
like this go Let's go. went
ahead. I mean, I had free

501
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:18,000
internet, so why not free was
paid for already but I mean, I

502
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,210
didn't have to like push out any
more than I was already paying.

503
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:24,060
And I was like okay, let's just
jump into this we don't need to

504
00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:26,610
go to sleep, we can't even go
out and party because

505
00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:29,850
everybody's locked down so let's
just learn. So learn learn how

506
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:34,080
to do that. And yeah next thing
we add, you know a couple of

507
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,720
episodes called more people and
they were all like wrote up oh

508
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,990
cuz I mean I've also as I said,
I've gone through the stages of

509
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:44,580
getting to at least an MBA. So I
know how to write a proposal at

510
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:45,180
least to say,

511
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,150
let me ask you a question. So
what you are hosting with your

512
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,190
own your own internet server?

513
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:54,390
I'm still right now. Not my own
internet server I'm running off

514
00:30:54,390 --> 00:30:59,430
of, of course, like my SP but
like, so I'm still paying for my

515
00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:03,810
internet. Right? It's not my
it's just off of a normal

516
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:04,650
router. Right now

517
00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:08,130
I understand. And how do you
create your RSS feed? do

518
00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:12,120
you do that? Oh, so that, you
know, I was for so long trying

519
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280
to figure out that's why I was
loving the conversation you guys

520
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560
were having earlier? Because I
was like, wait, what's going on

521
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,720
here? I can host my Yeah. Been
waiting, like I've been waiting.

522
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,730
So I found I did a lot. I'm a
research buff. So that's also

523
00:31:26,730 --> 00:31:29,760
how I came to this entire
Bitcoin space of value for

524
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,130
value. And everything was all
through research and being like,

525
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:35,280
but there has to be a way and I
need to find it out. So I was

526
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,010
like, Okay, how would I do this?
And then I was like, everybody's

527
00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:40,830
like, No, you should use anchor
and I'm like, Wait, let me read

528
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:42,990
the terms and conditions. And I
was like, what do you what do

529
00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:43,620
they mean?

530
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,810
Let me ask, let me ask you a
question.

531
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:51,150
As an as read all terms and
conditions, as in Namibia, as in

532
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:51,870
me being

533
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,200
an A on the continent of Africa?
Is it not so that most Africans

534
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:04,830
will say, it's free? Really?
Because it's not there, you guys

535
00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:07,470
know that this that free? Things
free language

536
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:11,460
for you. Like, you might go with
it and be like, let's see. Let's

537
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:14,370
see where it's gonna stop being
free. Haha, let's let's see,

538
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:17,220
because it just doesn't make
sense. Like, if, when the first

539
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:19,800
time I heard if it's free,
you're the product. I was like,

540
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,220
duh.

541
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,060
And I guess what I'm saying is
it to me, it feels like Africans

542
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,460
who have who've who understand
financial, meddling and dress

543
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:37,290
and in all kinds of financial
shit, that you would know that

544
00:32:37,290 --> 00:32:40,590
me. There's always a bad outcome
to something free. I mean,

545
00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:43,380
that's it. We don't know that
anymore. In our country. We're

546
00:32:43,380 --> 00:32:47,130
so used to Oh, free two for one
is great. And never think about

547
00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:47,940
the downside.

548
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,230
Yeah, I think it's not even just
in your country, I think more

549
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:55,080
than the financial aspect is
just Africans have been taken

550
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,260
advantage of right? So many
different ways that it's like,

551
00:32:58,260 --> 00:33:01,860
bro, there's only so many ways
that you can skin a cat. Yeah,

552
00:33:01,950 --> 00:33:05,220
that I haven't seen before.
Like, like, if you are, let's

553
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:09,030
put it this way, if you work at
a place where your job is to

554
00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:15,120
clean fish every day, all day?
How many different ways do you

555
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,810
think you can show this person
whose literal job it is to put

556
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:22,140
food on the table? To clean
fish? Yeah, how to clean a fish,

557
00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:24,840
right? Like we've seen so many
different ways they know so many

558
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,690
techniques that they know is
time wasting What? So they like

559
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:30,510
yeah, Africans will look at you
and be like, I've seen this

560
00:33:30,510 --> 00:33:35,100
hustle. I also know that you
haven't fully pulled it off yet.

561
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,770
So I could reverse so you on
this if you're not careful.

562
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,780
Let's play along and tell us not
to play along. Also, you know,

563
00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:44,460
sometimes works, sometimes it

564
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:48,900
doesn't. Excellent. So how are
you data? Did you wind up

565
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:50,550
creating your RSS feed?

566
00:33:51,270 --> 00:33:55,110
So yeah, so after I read the
terms and conditions of anchor

567
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:58,020
and realize that they were
actually owned by Spotify, and

568
00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:02,280
that Spotify literally holds all
ownership of once you put it up

569
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:06,210
to them? They can they can go
ahead and cut it up and you'll

570
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:09,390
never see a dime without the
user. So I was like we you just

571
00:34:09,390 --> 00:34:11,550
told me that you got to do this.
No, I'm not doing that. So then

572
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:16,590
I found red circle. And I was
like, Wow, you guys are just

573
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:21,660
gonna allow me like for free.
And give me statistics on like,

574
00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:25,140
what? Okay, cool. Let's let's
test this out. Until today. red

575
00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:29,790
circle has led me down once. I
haven't had to pay a dime to use

576
00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:34,050
red circle. I've spoken with
them on integrations of our

577
00:34:34,050 --> 00:34:38,970
features, which I feel is really
a thing that only works in most

578
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:42,000
blockchain and podcasting spaces
where you don't have to go

579
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,790
through 10 different email
spaces to get to one person to

580
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:48,840
change something. I love it.
Yes. And that's how I got to

581
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,240
hosting it the first time and
then I learned about how to

582
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:55,710
integrate it with podcast index.
After a long time it was like

583
00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:59,970
first we got to springs and then
springs chat. I was like

584
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,690
Something's wrong.

585
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,800
Let's go back for a second. So,
okay, you started because you

586
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,010
started podcasting. And we were
looking for a business model

587
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:10,350
right then and there you
considered advertising? Have you

588
00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:12,720
considered other ways of making
money? Did you even want it? was

589
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,420
it was it about making money?
What was it just because you

590
00:35:15,420 --> 00:35:17,130
were bored and just see where it
goes?

591
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:19,740
Well, you see, in the beginning,
it definitely wasn't about

592
00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:21,990
making money. I was literally
just bought one or two, like,

593
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:24,930
literally, it was about exposing
conversations that creatives

594
00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:28,320
have that I know creatives have
all the time as a creative, but

595
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,110
there's, there's no camera, the
fans don't get that interaction.

596
00:35:31,350 --> 00:35:34,440
But I know that people learn
from these interactions I've

597
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,980
learned from them, right? So I'm
like, how do I get this in front

598
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:40,830
of the people that needed the
most? Because people are always

599
00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:43,290
like, Oh, you know, that guy's
so lucky to become that artist

600
00:35:43,290 --> 00:35:46,560
or she, she did this. And then
you know, like, I wonder how

601
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,180
they enter. I'm like, Okay, let
me show you how they got there.

602
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:51,180
Let me show you the struggles
from the voice, not from me

603
00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:54,600
writing down what they told me,
I'm gonna put them in front of

604
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,440
you. I'm going to ask them the
questions in a setting where

605
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:03,180
they don't have to lie. They
don't have to censor themselves

606
00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:05,460
in the way that they're going to
deliver the story. They're going

607
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:07,590
to enjoy telling you the story.
And you're going to feel the

608
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:10,950
authenticity, because it's on a
podcast, and it's not on radio.

609
00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:13,800
What is it? There's nobody to
censor? What is the media

610
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,000
landscape like in an Emmy bfgf
state run television and radio?

611
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:24,510
Well, yeah, but we also have
independence. They are

612
00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:27,810
independence of both. But at the
same time, personal radio

613
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,570
reaches the most. But again,
it's like any other type of

614
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:33,930
media. What is the media saying?
Whether it's state run, or

615
00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:38,310
whether it's privately owned,
the narrative is still held by a

616
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:41,130
central authority that decides
what they want to tell you

617
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,890
correct? Whether it's all the
truth or partially the truth.

618
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,150
You know, and that's again,
another reason why we're, we're

619
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:51,030
here with Bitcoin and
blockchain, it's to make sure

620
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:53,250
that like the future doesn't
look like the best.

621
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:58,110
Yeah, yeah. Let me let me ask
you something about podcasting

622
00:36:58,110 --> 00:37:01,080
in Namibia, as far I mean, how
much consumption of podcasting

623
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,690
is there, and help? For those
who do listen to podcasts? What

624
00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:09,210
app are they primarily using?
Because some, some countries are

625
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:12,420
heavily dominated by Spotify and
others are, you know, just all

626
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:13,110
over the map?

627
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,670
Okay, yeah, no, so um, so what?
So what happens is that there

628
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:20,820
was a small like, about two,
three years ago, there was a

629
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,270
before COVID Expo two years
before COVID, there was a small

630
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:29,610
movement of podcasts really,
really great podcast, but juicy.

631
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,700
Also, the thing is, how do you
monetize? So a lot of them

632
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:34,890
disappeared, most of them
disappeared. And there was

633
00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:37,980
another one that happened during
COVID. Of course, because people

634
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:40,350
were at home, people had
equipment, they had different

635
00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:43,830
ways to want to express
themselves. So that really

636
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:48,270
pushed the podcasting movement
forward a lot. And for me, it's

637
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:53,280
always about trying to introduce
a new medium where it wasn't

638
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,880
before if the people hold power.
And that's what podcasting for

639
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,660
me is because there's no rules
yet. So the creators literally

640
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:02,880
can say, this is what we're
going to do, this is what we're

641
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,360
not going to do. And because
it's like that here, a lot of it

642
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,410
became very authentic. It wasn't
like, Let's chase, what Joe

643
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:17,220
Budden is doing, or Let's chase
what Joe Rogan is doing. It was,

644
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:19,890
uh, let's see how it's gonna
work for Namibia with Namibian

645
00:38:19,890 --> 00:38:25,290
topics, try to move it right.
And in that, I think it's like

646
00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,750
literally out we have a
streaming service. It's called

647
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:31,680
danu. Africa. But it works for
not just Namibia, it's to help

648
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:34,920
expose the movie and talent to
the rest of Africa. At the same

649
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,500
time, we're putting African
talent also on there for

650
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:42,840
Namibians to stream. So they now
put up podcasting. I was the

651
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,140
first podcast that they put up
as well, that has now pushed

652
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:48,930
podcasting and more of that
streaming is a lot more coming

653
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:53,100
of them into the sphere of where
it was just dominated by music.

654
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:57,660
What is the Yeah, we always hear
a lot about the bandwidth costs

655
00:38:57,690 --> 00:39:02,310
in in other countries, for
people, you know, using some and

656
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:07,140
I presume that all you most are
using Android smartphones. But I

657
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:11,880
don't know. I mean, what is your
typical phone contract? Like? I

658
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,550
mean, how much better how much
data can you get? I mean, is

659
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:15,270
that an issue?

660
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:19,620
Well, that is a great question.
I'm not gonna lie to you. And

661
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,680
that is a great because you'll
be amazed by the answer. So

662
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,250
like, South Africa has the worst
right next to us. So Africa is

663
00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:29,310
probably the worst rates in
Africa. In my opinion, I don't

664
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,290
know about the red but like, so
Africa has really shitty rates

665
00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:35,430
for data. Namibia, on the other
hand, when you look at it, like,

666
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,650
okay, there's different parts of
this. So let's just talk about

667
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:42,390
the data first. So we don't most
of us don't use contracts. As

668
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:45,420
like, I don't have a contract
phone. You buy the phone and

669
00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:48,030
then you use a pay as you go
because we have something called

670
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,690
it's basically like a weekly
contract that you can pay as you

671
00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:54,150
go contract that you can
subscribe to every week. It's

672
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:57,480
called soup, like one of the
aware packages. So you get you

673
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,570
you sign up on a package and you
say, Okay, I want so much data,

674
00:40:00,870 --> 00:40:05,040
I want so many minutes. I want,
you know, so many SMS is. And

675
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,970
that's it for seven days. You
get that and then you renew

676
00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:12,000
after seven days. So that's like
15 Namibian dollars 50 Rand is

677
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:20,100
about, wow, we should change
this into sets. Now cheap

678
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:23,460
compared to what you guys would
pay for a contract again, you

679
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:26,970
guys get upgrades with your
contracts. And then with your

680
00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:30,600
phones to your trade ends, which
also doesn't work like that. But

681
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,310
at the same time, what we pay
for like, let's say, three

682
00:40:35,310 --> 00:40:41,400
gigabytes of data, right, just
for my mobile phone. Yeah, okay,

683
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,040
look, I'm just gonna tell you
what it is right now. So I pay

684
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,040
for mine. That's three US
dollars every week.

685
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:49,380
Oh, wow. That is so

686
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:53,550
that's, that's what I use that
for is three gigabytes of data.

687
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:59,160
I use it for about 500 SMS is
and about 90 to 120 minutes with

688
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,450
over a minute. And

689
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:06,210
whose is this Telecom, the media
are there another.

690
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,440
So that's MTC Namibia telecom
actually has the best while when

691
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,470
they work. The data package
gives you like way more

692
00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:19,980
hooked up to Chinese crap, or is
China not figured out Namibia

693
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:20,370
yet?

694
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,730
No. So you see, like, the
relationship between China and a

695
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:28,200
movie is also a very unique one.
Yes. It's also it's also it's

696
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,870
contentious between the people
itself, but also very

697
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:33,960
respectful. It's very weird.
It's very weird so that they

698
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,110
don't, they don't interfere
where you don't allow them to

699
00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:40,650
interfere. And I've always known
as like, again, I did my masters

700
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:43,770
in China, and I saw it there
first. And it's like, they're

701
00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:47,220
not there to take advantage that
you're not willing to give up.

702
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,970
If you're willing to sell out.
They have the money. I mean, is

703
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:54,120
it really them taking advantage
of you selling to them. And this

704
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,640
is also another aspect of the
conversation. It's not to say

705
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,310
that they aren't like Chinese
companies that you're taking mad

706
00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:02,100
advantage, like, but that's
that's literally every

707
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,820
capitalistic system out here.
This is why we're trying to make

708
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:09,630
a buck creating, like economy
exists everywhere, so that we

709
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:13,830
don't have to deal with this
bullshit from anybody. And this

710
00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:17,490
is the freedom that podcasting
2.0 showed me was possible, not

711
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:20,850
because I read it somewhere. But
because I could literally build

712
00:42:20,850 --> 00:42:24,390
a node with my hands. Never ever
put anything technical together

713
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:27,690
in my life. But I built it. And
I'm sitting there and I'm like,

714
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,240
Oh, shit, something's wrong.
Okay, let's go into play. Oh,

715
00:42:30,450 --> 00:42:33,210
okay, I forgot to do this. But
all right, let's go back in

716
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,670
turn, okay, this took in total
half an hour. And I even forgot

717
00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:44,010
the fan, which I bought the next
day. But I was like, Well, I can

718
00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:46,590
put the fan on now. Because this
thing is downloading. And I'm

719
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:49,710
not stopping this. I waited and
then after you already synced,

720
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:54,540
very cool. Now we've got this.
Okay, so BTC pay server I want

721
00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:58,110
to get to but this podcasting
2.0 thing is very interesting in

722
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:00,810
other golf. Once I got in there,
I was like, Alright, guys.

723
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,780
So how did you? I know you were
searching around and researching

724
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:05,880
how did how did you bump up
against podcasting?

725
00:43:06,569 --> 00:43:09,929
So basically, what I did was I
released season one from the

726
00:43:09,929 --> 00:43:12,959
jump, right? I got all of the
data I could because again, you

727
00:43:12,959 --> 00:43:15,989
know, from my master's research,
I know how to present data. And

728
00:43:15,989 --> 00:43:19,499
I'm like, Okay, cool. Let's get
all the data of everybody that's

729
00:43:19,499 --> 00:43:23,069
listening, how long they all
have it from all of the

730
00:43:23,069 --> 00:43:26,159
services, put it into a
proposal, go to corporates and

731
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,819
be like, Hey, guys, this is I
can show you why you should

732
00:43:29,819 --> 00:43:33,449
invest in this pod. Why this is
the way to get data out and

733
00:43:33,449 --> 00:43:36,839
like, this is the way for the
for the future generations to

734
00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:39,419
look at you like somebody that's
actually coming up and paying

735
00:43:39,419 --> 00:43:45,479
attention. They were like, No,
no, they just like this. So I

736
00:43:45,479 --> 00:43:47,789
think they saw like, they were
just like, okay, so I met you

737
00:43:47,789 --> 00:43:50,309
and they looked at the quality
of what I was, I don't know what

738
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:52,499
the problem was like, I didn't
even give them pricing and they

739
00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:56,849
were just like, no. Cool. Let's
find another way because I'm not

740
00:43:56,849 --> 00:43:59,699
gonna stop doing what I'm doing
just because I can't make money

741
00:43:59,699 --> 00:44:02,219
from begging corporates. And
then I was like, What is this

742
00:44:02,219 --> 00:44:06,419
value for value thing? Wow. I
was like, wait a minute, so I

743
00:44:06,419 --> 00:44:10,769
just need to know. Mm hmm.
Alright, and then this is what

744
00:44:10,769 --> 00:44:13,919
we do. Oh, we already have the
RSS feed right here. Okay. Oh,

745
00:44:14,249 --> 00:44:18,539
oh, that's this is it. And I was
like, This is too easy. I fucked

746
00:44:18,539 --> 00:44:23,129
something up. No way. That like,
I just had to click like five,

747
00:44:23,129 --> 00:44:25,859
six buttons, pulling a little
bit here. And then all of a

748
00:44:25,859 --> 00:44:28,799
sudden, like, this is gonna be a
next thing. I knew I started

749
00:44:28,799 --> 00:44:32,909
receiving sets. And I was like,
This is stupid. What's the

750
00:44:32,909 --> 00:44:33,569
coverage?

751
00:44:34,259 --> 00:44:38,969
Like, but what's the coverage of
people who do Bitcoin in

752
00:44:38,969 --> 00:44:43,199
Namibia? Like I saw a thing that
said that I think Bitcoin in

753
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:48,869
Africa as a whole had grown like
800% last year, but is that is

754
00:44:48,869 --> 00:44:51,779
that hold for maybe is there a
lot is there a lot of Bitcoin in

755
00:44:51,779 --> 00:44:54,059
the movie already? It's not a
lie. I'll tell

756
00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:56,400
you this, right. There's the
people keep it a secret here.

757
00:44:56,910 --> 00:45:00,330
Everybody like even even before
like, but I had to put it You

758
00:45:00,330 --> 00:45:04,170
know, you have to also, again,
it's one node. So it's like you

759
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:07,140
can make another one. It's not
like you can only have one. So

760
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:09,990
as like this one, we can talk a
bit and make sure that people

761
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:12,810
understand how to use it by
being in the case study, right?

762
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,370
So then I found out the more I
spoke about Bitcoin, the more

763
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:20,700
people came out the woodwork
that we're like a buddy. Are you

764
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:23,310
trading? Because like, I want to
know because like, my my trading

765
00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:26,910
strategies, I'm like, well,
what's going on over you, bro?

766
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:29,940
Last time I saw you you owned
like a gambling houses like

767
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:33,180
Look, man times move, you know,
technology? What are what I'm

768
00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:36,540
not okay, cool. And then another
person approaches me like, you

769
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:40,440
know, I didn't know that anybody
else knew. But I bought 0.5

770
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Bitcoin when it was at like,
2000. Why are you telling me

771
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,800
this road. But I started
realizing like people are mining

772
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,400
people, but nobody's talking
about it. Why? Because they

773
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,670
don't want other people to know
what the fuck they're doing. And

774
00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:00,360
I'm like, Guys, the point of it
is we need to talk about it. So

775
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,390
that other people don't feel
like this is a lie. Because you

776
00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:07,110
know, it's true. And the more
that people adopt it, the better

777
00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:09,870
it is. For all of us. This is
not something you can buy all of

778
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:13,860
you don't have enough money. So
just stop that dream. Like, by

779
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:17,790
sharing the knowledge, you free
so many people that you

780
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:21,510
literally free yourself. It's
the craziest paradox now

781
00:46:22,770 --> 00:46:24,480
feels the same for us, I would
say,

782
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,320
yeah. And if you compare that to
something like Venice, like,

783
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,590
excuse me, El Salvador, where,
you know, you're seeing a little

784
00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:34,470
bit of protest right now about
the Bitcoin laws. But I think

785
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:38,700
some of that could have, if you
look at it, like, if you're open

786
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,090
about it, if there's no secrecy
around it, then you see that

787
00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:45,120
there's actually a lot more
involvement and a lot more

788
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,240
participation than there is
rather than coming in and doing

789
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,030
it sort of live from the top
down and applying it to the

790
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:53,850
country, you can see that it's
more organic, and the country

791
00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:56,160
itself is choosing to do that.

792
00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:59,610
Correct. I mean, look, let's be
honest, guys, the best way for

793
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,350
Bitcoin to be adopted by any
mess, you know, country,

794
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:07,770
continent, whatever is for it
not to be seen as something that

795
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:11,670
the lead to, yeah, it needs to
be seen that every person, the

796
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:16,080
everyday person on the street,
can use this saving this, do

797
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,840
whatever they want with this,
the same way that the

798
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,020
millionaire cat or the
billionaire cat, that's the only

799
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:24,900
way that this works, if it gets
seen as something that only a

800
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,750
few hold the knowledge of, and
only they can use, it will

801
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:30,810
always be seen as a scam.
Because for the everyday person,

802
00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:33,630
they're like, but I already have
this that I can use, and nobody

803
00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:36,270
wants to show me that one. So it
must be a lie, or something

804
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:39,930
that's above my knowledge. And
that's that's why education in

805
00:47:39,930 --> 00:47:43,200
the space is so great. That's
why I love plevna it's just a

806
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,080
bunch of people throwing
knowledge at you every day,

807
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,100
when it comes to value for
value, which is, you know, kind

808
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:55,350
of the the core of the whole
idea of which, you know, the

809
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:58,470
lightning streaming payments are
the real world implementation of

810
00:47:58,470 --> 00:48:01,650
that the the concept that we've
been building for for a long

811
00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:08,850
time. It's a it's a weird hurdle
for most, most Westerners in

812
00:48:08,850 --> 00:48:11,550
general, when you so they say
how do you make money? Well, I

813
00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:14,070
asked people to send me whatever
they think the ship was worth.

814
00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:20,610
How is that perceived in? in
Namibia, the value for value

815
00:48:20,610 --> 00:48:23,580
transaction and pricing
mechanisms are not really

816
00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:26,460
saying, hey, I want this much
and you don't get it if you

817
00:48:26,460 --> 00:48:27,090
don't pay me.

818
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:34,110
Okay, so we're still very much
at the stage of educating people

819
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,700
more on how that really works.
But I'll tell you this, it's a

820
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,190
lot more. It's way easier here.
And the reason is, because

821
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:48,090
there's already been a value for
value. Most most artists in

822
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:53,010
Namibia don't have agents. So
it's already, I'm selling you my

823
00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:58,080
CD out of my backpack. Out of
the Budo my car, I'm selling you

824
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,680
the shoes that I made, or the
jewelry that I'm creating you

825
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,270
picking up from my house, it's a
direct thing that's already been

826
00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:09,480
happening and has always
happened. Because, again, like

827
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,120
why am I making this go through
the bank where I'm paying bank

828
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,110
charges, right? Right drawers
for holding fees, then, you

829
00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:18,270
know, this is a whole lot of
different things that happened

830
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:22,350
when I already don't have money
like that, when you can just pay

831
00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:26,010
me right now. So it's not
difficult to jump to understand

832
00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:29,130
where the value for value is.
This is why I want to use the

833
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:32,430
creatively because creatives are
the ones that understand the

834
00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:36,090
easiest, paid back door all the
time. Hey, man, listen, you

835
00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:38,550
know, we didn't make so much at
the door today. So we can only

836
00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:42,240
pay you in a bottle of Hennessy.
Is that all right? And it's

837
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:45,690
like, what else am I gonna say?
No, we're not drink. I'm not

838
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:47,820
gonna get money. So you already
understand that somebody is

839
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:49,710
taking advantage for you, but
they'll give you something of

840
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:52,110
value that you might value. You
can still sell that bottle of

841
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:55,200
Hennessy if you don't drink,
right. But at the end of the

842
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,050
day, you there's a value
transfer. That might be

843
00:49:58,050 --> 00:50:01,380
improper. It's not it's not
equal. But it's there. So you

844
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:04,350
understand the concept. Now I
tell you that you can get this

845
00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:08,100
value transferring a currency
and acid whichever way you want

846
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,220
to see it that is appreciating
in value, I can pay you 200.

847
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:15,150
Today, it can be worth 500.
Tomorrow. Yeah, it can also be

848
00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:18,990
with 100 tomorrow, but the next
day, it can be worth 700. In

849
00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:23,280
this, all you got to decide is
do do you value the asset that

850
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,580
you now hold? Because you want
to learn more of why it's able

851
00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:29,670
to do this? Or do you want to
transfer it back into something

852
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:31,650
that you're going to use and be
broken a couple of because you

853
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:34,620
can, you can always ask them
another 200 bucks, right. But

854
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:37,950
now you're holding something
that keeps showing you value

855
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:42,390
movements, while you Oh man,
man, my mind is just moving so

856
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:42,750
fast.

857
00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:47,070
This came up on the leading the
bleeding last night, when we

858
00:50:47,070 --> 00:50:51,570
were talking about just we get
into the idea of of people

859
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:54,660
putting their value blog in
their podcast, but not

860
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:58,230
necessarily advertising it. So
let's just say they are they're

861
00:50:58,230 --> 00:51:00,750
already making lots of money on
their podcast, and they're

862
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,630
afraid of confusing their
audience with Bitcoin or

863
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:07,320
whatever. And you know, the the
idea is that you can, you can

864
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,640
put value for value into your
podcast, with with streaming

865
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,560
satoshis. And you can have that
in the people that know it. As

866
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,680
the movement grows, we'll find
it. And then what you're doing

867
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,810
is you're just adding to your
ex, you're adding to your

868
00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:25,380
income. And it's almost like I
thought about this this morning.

869
00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:30,810
It's kind of like your existing
monetization. And maybe that's

870
00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:33,720
your paycheck. And streaming
value for value is your

871
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,910
retirement fund. And so you can
have sort of everybody says,

872
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:42,570
multiple streams of income is
always the best. So if you put

873
00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:45,540
all your eggs in any one basket,
you probably don't want to put

874
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:49,260
them all in Bitcoin either. So
you know, even though you're a

875
00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:53,070
bit, you know, we're Bitcoin
believers necessarily. Having

876
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:56,400
multiple, having multiple
avenues in order to monetize is

877
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,180
always going to be, you know,
preferable. Sure. Yeah.

878
00:52:01,469 --> 00:52:04,499
That's a brilliant point. Right.
So like, for myself, I was

879
00:52:04,499 --> 00:52:07,109
always thinking about the
altcoins at the beginning, was

880
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:09,479
like, I mean, this is all make
sense, right? And more and the

881
00:52:09,479 --> 00:52:12,359
more I read, I was like, This,
things don't make sense. But,

882
00:52:12,839 --> 00:52:17,249
but what I did learn was that,
you know, let's say, okay, you

883
00:52:17,249 --> 00:52:20,039
buy your Bitcoin, you put some
in cold storage, you put some on

884
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,219
your node, you know, and then
you leave some money exchange.

885
00:52:23,549 --> 00:52:27,299
And with that you leave on the
exchange, take some of it, get a

886
00:52:27,299 --> 00:52:31,109
little bit of interest in out
coins, trade those alt coins, do

887
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:34,289
your exits, try and see you
know, get a little bit of day

888
00:52:34,289 --> 00:52:38,009
rush. What but do it with the
interest you get on your

889
00:52:38,009 --> 00:52:42,779
Bitcoin? Don't sell your Bitcoin
for altcoins and then hope to

890
00:52:42,779 --> 00:52:45,719
make a fortune and then when you
lose that and also don't have

891
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,279
Bitcoin or you just crying or
rather use because for me, I'm

892
00:52:50,279 --> 00:52:53,369
like, we just as I'm like, Guys,
you can literally make free

893
00:52:53,369 --> 00:52:56,939
money. With interest, that
doesn't matter. You can still

894
00:52:56,939 --> 00:53:00,479
take your Bitcoin off, go put it
away, and then just like I have

895
00:53:00,479 --> 00:53:04,349
no Bitcoin on exchanges, I do
have all coins. And it's fun to

896
00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:06,509
see, like every now and then
when you can pump things and

897
00:53:06,509 --> 00:53:08,669
everybody thinks that they know
and you're like, yeah, doesn't

898
00:53:08,669 --> 00:53:12,479
really matter, bro. Like this is
gambling, gambling, what else

899
00:53:12,479 --> 00:53:16,799
but the rest of the holding and
like seeing how over time, it

900
00:53:16,799 --> 00:53:20,999
literally in value. It's so mind
blowing, and enabling something

901
00:53:20,999 --> 00:53:21,419
grow larger.

902
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:25,140
And maybe it's using Bitcoin in
day to day commerce and

903
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:25,770
transaction.

904
00:53:25,770 --> 00:53:28,500
So this is what I'll tell you
guys, right. So with exchanges

905
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:32,370
around the globe, the minimum
that you can buy is 300.

906
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:36,030
Namibian around the same
equivalency the Namibian dollar

907
00:53:36,030 --> 00:53:41,340
in the South African Rand. So
one, two, so the money is 300.

908
00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:45,090
Right. So all exchanges have a
minimum. So there was a there's

909
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,870
a company in Namibia, the first
episode of season two of my

910
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:54,240
podcast is with the CEO of the
company becoming four. So it he

911
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:58,260
owns land defer.com, right, or
runs land defer, which is

912
00:53:58,260 --> 00:54:00,900
basically an onboarding. They
don't they're not noncustodial

913
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,200
or all long, they just a way
that you can buy through them.

914
00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:08,400
And they are compliant as a
company with the Central Bank of

915
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,260
Namibia. So they do all the risk
for you of like that. And then

916
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:17,760
like us though, it's so crazy so
useful when you buy your Bitcoin

917
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,010
from them. They ask you they
send you in the like, which

918
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,920
which one do you want to use to
receive it and that's where it

919
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,980
gets sent. So they upgraded
recently and incorporated the

920
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:27,420
lightning network. Ah,

921
00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:28,890
now you can do

922
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,140
that. is so crazy guys. I can
buy five Namibian dollars. Let

923
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:36,630
me tell you how much in your
mind nothing in your money but

924
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:43,020
Oculus five Namibian dollars is
33 cents in your monitoring for

925
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:49,050
magic number. I can buy that
right in Bitcoin. I can even buy

926
00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:51,600
one Namibian dollar bananas.
This is five Namibian dollars

927
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,620
right through them. But now what
I do is I add them as as a

928
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:58,200
beneficiary on my bank account,
and I pay them like you pay any

929
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,130
other beneficiary and then it
goes onto a actual Fiat wallet

930
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:06,390
on the site and then whenever it
so basically if Bitcoin takes a

931
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:09,630
dump, I can decide right then I
want to buy only this much and

932
00:55:09,630 --> 00:55:12,060
go to this wallet through
lightning and only pay this

933
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:14,850
little fee. Right and we go. But
that sounds

934
00:55:15,659 --> 00:55:16,679
very similar to stripe.

935
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:19,260
Yeah, well, it sounds like we
don't, again, we don't have,

936
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:21,150
this is what they were trying to
do. But they don't only do it

937
00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:22,980
for Namibia, they're trying to
move it out to the rest of

938
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:26,310
Africa as well, step by step,
but this is this is the part

939
00:55:26,310 --> 00:55:30,000
that really gets you even
further right. So even when you

940
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,700
want to sell your Bitcoin, you
can do it right there and the

941
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:34,980
money will go to that wallet and
you can move it back to your

942
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:38,580
bank account or keep it on day
two, then reuse at a different

943
00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:45,060
time. So you could literally
trade your account, if you know

944
00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:49,200
when to buy and sell those dubs
with what you have just on that

945
00:55:49,260 --> 00:55:53,580
account. But even more you could
dollar cost average it because

946
00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:55,710
in the movie we have this thing
where if you let's say us you

947
00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:59,400
swipe your bank, your f&b bank
account right our bank card to

948
00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:03,960
fill up for gas and little
percentage goes into what's

949
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,720
called a savings pocket it's
like a small thing that they put

950
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,690
on your side for you it's like
the sense that get rounded up

951
00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:13,140
right those go into a small
wallet that you can oh so you

952
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:15,960
get paid out that every month
but you can now buy bitcoin in

953
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,930
that without having to think
about like oh I have to budget

954
00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:23,940
for like more dollar cost
average purchases right so nice

955
00:56:23,969 --> 00:56:26,939
but people don't actually
exchange Bitcoin lightning or

956
00:56:26,939 --> 00:56:30,329
otherwise between each other for
payments you're still doing I

957
00:56:30,329 --> 00:56:30,539
mean

958
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:34,470
currently we have is there's
there's people I mean, I accept

959
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:38,820
Bitcoin payments I sold my my
equipment my some of my

960
00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:42,900
recording equipment to produce
lightning. I know guys that do

961
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:46,530
woodwork. Very nice pieces that
they also accept but when when

962
00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:49,560
payments come even for my voice
of I know I know a lot I know

963
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,280
people that get paid literally
the day to day jobs. They get

964
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,750
paid in Bitcoin. It's not that
it's not it's not existed. It's

965
00:56:57,750 --> 00:57:00,720
just not well known. Yeah, it's
not well used. It's more like

966
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,930
subculture still kind of to
them. It's like you know, when

967
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:06,450
you can you can still walk and
be like, Hey, I just need like a

968
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:09,960
tomato in your SEO is the cash
like, I don't need the rest of

969
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,300
it. Right. So But with that, it
allows for the growth of Bitcoin

970
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:18,030
organically because when I was
in China, I could walk around

971
00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:20,610
the street and just be like with
my phone no money in hand and be

972
00:57:20,610 --> 00:57:23,820
like, amen. I want to get a beer
or a packet of cigarettes and I

973
00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:28,080
could just scan a QR code and I
could pay it right yeah, this is

974
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:32,220
this is that on a global scale?
Because now let's let's let's do

975
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:36,420
a quick one. You you coming to
Namibia. Now you have to change

976
00:57:36,450 --> 00:57:39,150
exchange your money from US
dollars or wherever? Where are

977
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:40,200
you guys? Actually I don't even
know.

978
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,330
Texas, Texas,

979
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:44,760
Texas and Alabama. Okay, there
we go. So you're gonna have to

980
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,520
change your US dollars once you
get here to Namibian dollars

981
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,950
right and then you're gonna use
that when you want to go home

982
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:51,810
you're gonna start having a
million dollars over and you

983
00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:53,970
like there's no point in
exchanging this back or taking

984
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:57,870
with me like what the fuck is
this now? But when you come here

985
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:03,720
in Bitcoin you stay in bed. You
stay in bed? Let's say you can

986
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,960
do your you can do your shopping
in Bitcoin. You can do your

987
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,710
paying for gas in Bitcoin at
certain outlets, of course, you

988
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:14,670
can do your game driving
Bitcoin, once that becomes the

989
00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:17,070
norm because I'm still giving
you money.

990
00:58:18,210 --> 00:58:22,710
And so why not podcasting for
2.0? And the value for value

991
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:26,190
streaming is exactly that. Yes.
An easy way for people to

992
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:29,460
understand the commerce. Do you
see a lot of listeners loading

993
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:33,810
up apps and and streaming from
Namibia?

994
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,030
Well, this is the thing. So I
always thought like, how do I

995
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:42,960
actually track this the way I
can with, you know, with

996
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,500
Spotify, or with an apple
podcast? Because they tell me

997
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:49,230
Okay, this person because
they've got all the job? You

998
00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:51,870
know, all the tracking is there,
right? We're now working on a

999
00:58:51,870 --> 00:58:54,960
system where we're trying not to
check each other that much. So

1000
00:58:55,260 --> 00:59:01,500
what I do see is more of the
excitement, you know, in myself

1001
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:04,830
and also for other people when
I'm like guys, do you use my

1002
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:08,730
phone pinging and it just says
received so much Bitcoin receive

1003
00:59:08,730 --> 00:59:11,820
some? Because that's every
minute with a telegram. But I've

1004
00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:19,560
set up through it. Yeah. Yeah, I
was like, wait a minute, like,

1005
00:59:19,590 --> 00:59:22,620
this is possible. I set it up. I
was like, let's see. And then I

1006
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:26,910
got the routing ones. And I was
like, wait a minute. I just use

1007
00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:29,940
I'm asleep. And I'm literally
just a ping goes off. And I'm

1008
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:32,850
like, I just made 682 satoshis.
Your

1009
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:34,170
routing? Oh, wow.

1010
00:59:35,340 --> 00:59:39,000
And then like later on, like so
earlier today, before this, I

1011
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,340
was on my way to a meeting and
then like it just kept going

1012
00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:44,550
off. It's just 58 satoshis 58
resources, and it's every minute

1013
00:59:44,550 --> 00:59:46,920
because somebody is busy
streaming. Yeah. And I'm like,

1014
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,790
This is crazy.

1015
00:59:50,699 --> 00:59:53,699
You're literally stacking SAS
and I agree this is a golden

1016
00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:58,019
opportunity for podcasters
because the SATs you stack now,

1017
00:59:58,409 --> 01:00:03,029
as you say, I mean just today
It's like real financial bank

1018
01:00:03,059 --> 01:00:10,469
analysts saying Bitcoin 180 this
year, maybe over 200,000 you

1019
01:00:10,469 --> 01:00:13,859
know, and it doesn't really
matter to me. For me personally

1020
01:00:13,859 --> 01:00:17,969
as a podcaster just seeing those
payments come in regardless of

1021
01:00:17,969 --> 01:00:22,439
the amount it was just so I know
that someone is enjoying what I

1022
01:00:22,439 --> 01:00:24,899
have created somewhere else in
the world and that's just a

1023
01:00:24,899 --> 01:00:25,889
great feeling.

1024
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,610
Thank you. Thank you. And that's
that's literally and you can see

1025
01:00:29,610 --> 01:00:33,960
by minute it's like okay, maybe
I fucked up around 145 I should

1026
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,430
say yeah, that's when the
payment stuff coming in. You

1027
01:00:38,430 --> 01:00:44,610
literally this valves thing for
me is this is free guys. I'm not

1028
01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:48,990
paying a service. This you guys
all create the ship for free

1029
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:53,160
around the world. All of these
coders, programmers, Shadow

1030
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,160
coders, whatever you want to
call them. They creating all

1031
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,820
this stuff for free. It's just
because they want it to exist a

1032
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:03,450
powerful movement man. It's
powerful. It's beyond powerful.

1033
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:07,560
This is this is not even
revolutionary. This is this is

1034
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,460
like you know when they felt
like the what if series that are

1035
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,790
out right now the Marvel ones
that give you fuck up the time

1036
01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:21,270
paradox and everything. This is
what that is. Between is what if

1037
01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:27,420
Think about it, like, like you
can literally as a creative in

1038
01:01:27,420 --> 01:01:32,670
Namibia, right now be paid in
Bitcoin from somebody anywhere

1039
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:36,030
in the world. Anyway, I
literally got a payment the

1040
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:39,840
other day, I put up a post where
I said, Do you guys know all the

1041
01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:44,400
QR codes that are on my posters
for the for the podcast? Are

1042
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,820
lightning enabled and you can
send me satoshis somebody sent

1043
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:53,070
me like 10,000 sets and said Who
am I? Where am I? What am I?

1044
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:56,940
Nobody knows. This is the
lightning network. That was the

1045
01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:57,390
note.

1046
01:01:58,770 --> 01:01:59,910
Fucking magic.

1047
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,249
So you can get booster grams.
Are you getting this?

1048
01:02:05,310 --> 01:02:08,100
Oh, no, I don't I don't know
what the booster gram is yet. I

1049
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:14,790
was trying to read so much this.

1050
01:02:16,469 --> 01:02:18,659
Hey, tell him about the booster.
gram.

1051
01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:21,930
Yeah. Yeah, booster gram, you
know. So with a lightning

1052
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:26,070
message, you can embed data in
there with it and arbitrary

1053
01:02:26,070 --> 01:02:31,050
data. And so with the booster
grams, what we're doing is

1054
01:02:31,050 --> 01:02:36,240
putting in a certain structured
message, and then anybody can

1055
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,740
attach a message to it. So Brees
is working on this right now, as

1056
01:02:40,740 --> 01:02:43,530
some of the other podcast apps
already do it. So once Brees

1057
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,560
puts this in, somebody will be
able to go into the breeze app,

1058
01:02:47,370 --> 01:02:50,130
hit the boost button and it'll
pop up a text box and they can

1059
01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:53,760
type your message in there with
it with the boost. And then you

1060
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,030
can pull it off your lightning
node and see the message that

1061
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:58,950
they sent you along with their
sometimes you just

1062
01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:07,890
got it. Just receive 291 2091
says that was for me. Yeah, so

1063
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:10,890
so it works because of breeze
did the message come through?

1064
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:15,870
Well, I'm seeing it off of my
telegram. Right, but you don't

1065
01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:19,890
see it. I can't see the message.
Right. But I'll get it. I'll get

1066
01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:23,010
it when I get into my note. I
should be able to see it. But

1067
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,740
you need to speak you need a
special script, which Dave can

1068
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:26,520
hook you up with? Are

1069
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:31,770
you are you using? Please do are
using satoshis stream? Are you

1070
01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:33,930
Oh yes. So note he has his own
you have your own lightning.

1071
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:39,240
Guys, I'm telling you, you guys
need me go in and create to

1072
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,110
build this thing.

1073
01:03:42,989 --> 01:03:45,329
We all went through the curve
man, we all went

1074
01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:48,240
through it. But you know, what
is the most brilliant curve of

1075
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:54,810
All Time goes from there? I was
like No, no, this isn't the end.

1076
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,050
So then I started learning
Python, like a month ago cuz I

1077
01:03:58,050 --> 01:03:59,910
was like, I need to know what
the rest of this is because I

1078
01:03:59,910 --> 01:04:02,730
want to also do like command
line. And then like when I

1079
01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:04,680
stopped I was like, This is the
fucking greatest thing of my

1080
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,330
life is gonna continue so we
have we have

1081
01:04:10,050 --> 01:04:13,500
Python you can run you can run
the booster grand scream? Yeah,

1082
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:15,029
yeah. And they can extract

1083
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,660
that I'm still learning I'm
still learning as I'm always a

1084
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:20,640
pleasure, always a pleasure
slept for life.

1085
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,820
So you know, we've along with
podcasting 2.0 we've also built

1086
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:29,760
in not just the value for value,
but a lot of other features.

1087
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,950
Have you been able to take
advantage of any of these yet?

1088
01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:36,180
Have you have you? Have you seen
any of the new Apple for

1089
01:04:36,180 --> 01:04:39,150
instance, breeze does chapters I
don't know if you if you don't

1090
01:04:39,150 --> 01:04:40,350
think you're using those.

1091
01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:45,270
I'm not using chapters yet. So
the thing with me is I like to

1092
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:48,570
take things like step by step so
I can I can, I can literally

1093
01:04:48,570 --> 01:04:52,170
explain it to somebody as the
case study. Because so in two

1094
01:04:52,170 --> 01:04:55,770
weeks, I'm gonna start doing the
onboarding events. I call them t

1095
01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:59,310
POC events, the pursuit of
knowledge events. So basically

1096
01:04:59,310 --> 01:05:02,610
what these are Are edutainment
events where bring creatives

1097
01:05:02,610 --> 01:05:08,820
like comics, live performers,
and I get them their own QR

1098
01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:12,960
codes right now we're going to
be using as buddy and l&t x bot,

1099
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,660
so that they can literally have
the QR codes out there to

1100
01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:20,490
receive tips from people at the
event who will also be getting

1101
01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:23,970
as part of So, okay, so I'll let
the cat out the bag a little

1102
01:05:23,970 --> 01:05:27,600
bit. So basically, when when you
buy a ticket for the event, part

1103
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:32,220
of that money comes back to you
in Bitcoin in satoshis. So then

1104
01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:37,500
you can at the event, learn how
to use it. That's literally face

1105
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:40,620
it. So instead of me giving you
a whole lecture about how the

1106
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:43,740
technology works, and be like,
Listen, go over there and go buy

1107
01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:49,170
yourself a beer. Good. You like
that song? There's this QR code,

1108
01:05:49,170 --> 01:05:50,700
you worry about the money

1109
01:05:50,699 --> 01:05:54,599
just so these are pure Bitcoin
onboarding events. And yeah, so

1110
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:58,349
get what they're about, yeah,
get people on board and show

1111
01:05:58,349 --> 01:06:01,469
them how to use a new podcast
app.

1112
01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:06,360
And that's what again, so so
that's how I've got breeze

1113
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,910
involved. And I was like, you
know, because I literally use

1114
01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:11,790
breeze myself to listen to
podcasts. And not just to listen

1115
01:06:11,790 --> 01:06:14,040
to podcasts, but also you know,
that the other apps that are

1116
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,580
within it, and then how like I
keep looking at podcasting, but

1117
01:06:17,580 --> 01:06:21,810
there's so much technology guys,
it's like to get everything you

1118
01:06:21,810 --> 01:06:24,750
have to you have to break it up.
And that's why I was like, okay,

1119
01:06:24,750 --> 01:06:27,600
with these podcasts over there
with the onboarding events, I

1120
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,380
need to make them at least three
different ones so that people

1121
01:06:31,380 --> 01:06:34,320
take real knowledge from them
and don't feel too overwhelmed.

1122
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:39,360
Because if you if you if I push
at you with podcasting and then

1123
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,690
I throw the fact that this QR
codes and then there's there's

1124
01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:45,990
you know, two bucks in this and
people are like, wait a minute,

1125
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,060
what, right but if I start at
just the step of you when you

1126
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:54,630
walk in hey, here's some Bitcoin
Oh, what can I do from this as

1127
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:58,170
you keep working? Hello We do
our specials are we have this in

1128
01:06:58,170 --> 01:07:00,960
this that you can buy only in
Bitcoin but the rest of the menu

1129
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,200
you can buy it, it changes
people's specifics from getting

1130
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,710
in the door. You really like
Hmm, maybe I should spend some

1131
01:07:07,710 --> 01:07:10,140
of this you know this the
cheapest things on the menu

1132
01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:12,360
anyway, add on mind. And then
later on, you're like, I

1133
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,400
shouldn't have spent the Bitcoin
let me find out how I can get

1134
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,910
more and just keep it in you.
You go in want to know more like

1135
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:18,600
the rest of us.

1136
01:07:18,990 --> 01:07:23,850
There was a really nice line in
the article that Roy wrote. And

1137
01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:28,440
he says nicolaes knowledge
entrepreneur, and I really liked

1138
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,860
that term. Is that something
that Roy made up? Or do you? I

1139
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:34,740
mean, I'm sure you are, but you
consider yourself a knowledge is

1140
01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:36,780
that something you say knowledge
entrepreneur?

1141
01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:42,300
Okay, not not exactly like that.
I feel flattered it that

1142
01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:45,000
statement. I mean, Ray's a
really brilliant, brilliant guy.

1143
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:51,300
What he does with that company's
amazing, but um, so So for me,

1144
01:07:51,390 --> 01:07:54,960
knowledge transfer has always
been the greatest thing that can

1145
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,220
happen in humanity. If I can
teach you something that you can

1146
01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:02,160
then literally, but I can teach
it to you in a way that you

1147
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,000
really know it, not just kinda,
but you understand that you can

1148
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,240
teach this to somebody else.
That's knowledge transfer. If I

1149
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,620
can get to a point where I can
give you the knowledge I have. I

1150
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:16,710
don't, it's like the thing of
You don't have to be king, like

1151
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,250
you can kill a revolutionary,
but you can never kill the idea

1152
01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:24,660
of revolution, right? So if you
can't kill the idea, all you

1153
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:29,760
need to do is properly convey
it. Once that happens, they can

1154
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,600
kill you. But the fact that that
idea is out there in a way that

1155
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,660
can be retaught means it's the
same thing with Bitcoin, you can

1156
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:42,240
take my note down, but you can't
take down all of you. It's the

1157
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,450
exact same thing with knowledge.
If you spread it into one mind

1158
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:49,650
that can move it to another
mind. It's done. The revolution

1159
01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:54,990
will never die. Because it
can't. It's impossible for it to

1160
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,090
you'd have to literally
extinguish the whole world

1161
01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:58,560
because you don't know who
knows.

1162
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:04,439
Well, they are trying. That's
why they're trying to go to

1163
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,469
other planets. This is a whole
project podcasting. 2.0 the

1164
01:09:10,469 --> 01:09:15,509
board meeting, this podcast is
all value for value. And that

1165
01:09:15,509 --> 01:09:19,949
means that just like Nikolai in
Namibia, we also count on people

1166
01:09:19,949 --> 01:09:27,209
supporting us. Dave, you got
your paper nearby to thank a few

1167
01:09:27,209 --> 01:09:31,439
people on this. When it comes to
knowledge transfer, Nikolai. And

1168
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,459
I just love to say this out to
repeat it. This is how the value

1169
01:09:35,459 --> 01:09:39,239
for value system really the
model really works is when

1170
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:43,439
people are supporting you. You
have a mechanism that allows

1171
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,769
people to also feed back which
in turn is also contributing to

1172
01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:49,859
the show itself with content,
but it's this it's closing the

1173
01:09:49,859 --> 01:09:53,549
loop on on the value. So you
know, it's like someone says i

1174
01:09:53,549 --> 01:09:57,659
thought you know, the show was
worth x, I sent it in, and we're

1175
01:09:57,659 --> 01:10:00,779
gonna acknowledge that and that
can be you know, can be also

1176
01:10:00,779 --> 01:10:03,089
include reading a message, but
it's the acknowledgement of

1177
01:10:03,089 --> 01:10:06,779
receive. Thank you. And I would
say people already message us a

1178
01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,469
lot in just the numerology of
it, which is something I love.

1179
01:10:10,499 --> 01:10:13,319
The numerology is very, very
powerful stuff. So what do we

1180
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:13,529
have

1181
01:10:13,530 --> 01:10:17,280
Dave? Yeah, we've got to get two
weeks worth of stuff here.

1182
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:19,380
Buckle up.

1183
01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:23,820
Yeah, yeah, buckle up. We got
started off, Marco arment gave

1184
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:24,870
us $500

1185
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,220
there is Mr. overcast,
supporting his projects. Thank

1186
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:32,220
you very much. I know he's
working on those cloud chapters.

1187
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,760
And I'm waiting for it. I'm
excited to see him.

1188
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:42,210
Thank you, Mark. Thank you. We
also got Franco celerio gave us

1189
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:47,850
$100, the developer of cast
ematic Ah, and he said Dave, and

1190
01:10:47,850 --> 01:10:51,240
Adam and everybody involved in
podcasting. 2.0 This would never

1191
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,360
have happened without your work,
passion and dedication. I'm

1192
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,450
happy to announce cast emetic
new beta supports value for

1193
01:10:57,450 --> 01:11:01,770
value payments, Bo matic.com.
Slash beta. Thank you so much.

1194
01:11:02,070 --> 01:11:06,150
Okay, hold on a second. So I got
to make a note to myself cast.

1195
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,250
Matt is iOS only correct?

1196
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:10,920
iOS only. And it's I've been
playing with it for the last

1197
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,560
couple of days. Really good app.
Good, really, really good.

1198
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:16,890
I'm gonna give that a plug on
now Sunday's no agenda.

1199
01:11:17,550 --> 01:11:20,070
You know, I would say that
anybody who uses these apps,

1200
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:23,850
like a lot of the iOS app is
apps, at least, they do have an

1201
01:11:23,850 --> 01:11:27,240
in app subscription, where you
can support the developer and I

1202
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,700
encourage everybody to do that
too. Definitely. Because that

1203
01:11:29,730 --> 01:11:33,780
that gives them a good stable
base of income. And usually it's

1204
01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:36,270
not too much. It's maybe 10
bucks a year or something.

1205
01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:39,210
And you know, whenever you
whenever you like, something

1206
01:11:39,210 --> 01:11:43,590
you're listening to, you can
always use a booster gram and

1207
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:47,700
just boost the gram, the the app
developer straight up. Yeah, it

1208
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:49,710
doesn't doesn't have to go to
everybody doesn't have to go to

1209
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:52,800
the podcast. Or you can just say
Hey, man, thanks for your great

1210
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:53,100
app.

1211
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,860
Great, thank you, Frank. Good
drip Scott gave us $57.57

1212
01:12:01,410 --> 01:12:08,010
Thank you, Dr. Also, happy
birthday guys. So thank you. And

1213
01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:11,790
Happy birthday to you as well.
Double birthday. It is. It is

1214
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:13,440
we're celebrating everything
here today.

1215
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:17,460
Thank you. Scott says Happy
birthday. Adam. The world is a

1216
01:12:17,460 --> 01:12:18,930
better place with you in it go.

1217
01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:23,760
Very tiny. Very kind of you
driving.

1218
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:31,680
Dave Jackson gave us $50. And he
said my second down payment on

1219
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,630
my shirt. Yeah. gave his
address. Yeah. You got a shirt

1220
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:37,680
coming to you. Of course. Thank

1221
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,890
you, Dave. And thank you for all
you're doing with the school of

1222
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:45,210
podcasting. And she was the new
one Dave the leading the

1223
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:48,270
bleeding. The bleeding. Yeah.
Good. Good name. Leaving the

1224
01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:48,810
bleeding.

1225
01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:52,050
Yeah, Nicola, we got to get a
shirt down to you. We need your

1226
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:55,020
address, man. Oh, I will
definitely send you guys that.

1227
01:12:55,050 --> 01:12:59,700
Yeah, email me your address and
your shirt size. Oh, definitely.

1228
01:12:59,730 --> 01:13:06,450
Awesome. See, we got Shawn
McCune did an automatic

1229
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,870
subscription. monthly
subscription. remonte dollars.

1230
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:14,010
Yeah. All right. And he said I
just set up a monthly $20 Pay

1231
01:13:14,010 --> 01:13:17,370
Pal. I'll switch it to crypto
once I get all that figured out.

1232
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:18,480
Right.

1233
01:13:18,869 --> 01:13:19,409
Thank you.

1234
01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:30,120
Seth goats gave us $25 one time
donation. Thank you, sir. No,

1235
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,710
no, there was no get a budget
booster grams. Holy cow. We're

1236
01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:35,070
getting Oh

1237
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:39,120
my goodness. And I got my first
birthday booster Graham today.

1238
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:43,980
He has the first one in the
list. Yeah. So Nicola, this is

1239
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:48,420
this is the way this works. Once
you there, we have a script that

1240
01:13:48,420 --> 01:13:51,690
you can run on your node that
will pull out these messages for

1241
01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:57,060
you. So any, any boosts that
have text messages attached,

1242
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,120
it'll show you the name, who
they're from, how many sets it

1243
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,600
was, what the timestamp was
during the episode that they

1244
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,810
boosted you at. And the message
if there is one. So we got to

1245
01:14:06,810 --> 01:14:07,770
get you setting up on that.

1246
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,660
I'm sending you my email address
right now. You're gonna love me.

1247
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,530
Wow. And the thing is, it's
already working. We've already

1248
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,600
you already have them sitting
there. You just need the script

1249
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,830
to get them off off of your
node. Exactly. And oh, wow.

1250
01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:33,480
Yeah, so Dred Scott gave, he
donated 57,057 boost booze. Dang

1251
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:37,800
adolescent acid but birthday
boost that's hard to say. Please

1252
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,910
accept this booster gram of
57,057 SATs in honor of Adam's

1253
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:45,750
birthday. Jingle says streamer.
I don't know what jingle that

1254
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:45,960
is.

1255
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:47,220
Wait sat streamer,

1256
01:14:47,309 --> 01:14:48,509
stat sat streamer.

1257
01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:55,110
I don't know what that is. Let
me see. streamer. I don't know

1258
01:14:55,110 --> 01:15:00,960
anything about that streamer.
Find it wasn't

1259
01:15:01,020 --> 01:15:04,200
what Isn't that an Ellen Ellen
bits instance like that

1260
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,940
extension that they have, which
is almost like the with with

1261
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:12,630
Spotify when you stream whatever
song The person you pay them

1262
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:15,270
while they play whatever song It
was. I think it was one of those

1263
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:15,900
I don't know.

1264
01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:19,440
But dread, dude, Thank you man.
That's it. I think that's a

1265
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:20,100
topper.

1266
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:25,650
You know what this proves we've
got a few of these big, big

1267
01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:30,750
boosts. Uh huh. And it proves to
me that we can work. It works.

1268
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:34,410
Yeah, like you don't have to
just boost 1000 SATs like the

1269
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:37,140
the bigger stuff also gets
routed properly as well

1270
01:15:37,170 --> 01:15:38,190
not sure does.

1271
01:15:39,780 --> 01:15:47,640
See? John's BRT jet john s BRT
is who this is from? I'm not

1272
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:52,980
sure how that know what it is.
That says hello, again, from the

1273
01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:55,830
Auburn Citadel. Yeah, using
fountain today. Great app.

1274
01:15:55,830 --> 01:16:01,770
50,000 steps. coming in.

1275
01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:09,600
Hold on a second, but just just
just stop for a second. One year

1276
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:16,350
ago, only 52 episodes of the
show is just an idea. Dave Jones

1277
01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:22,920
was just an idea. Now there's
50,000 SATs coming through. Only

1278
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:23,820
pinch me.

1279
01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:28,620
This is what I've been trying to
tell you. Like, you guys

1280
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:32,760
understand what you've achieved
here. Like, it's only that they

1281
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:36,450
told you who they were what they
just did it with? No, no.

1282
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:42,000
Yeah, we get that too. It's just
the whole thing is just it's

1283
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:42,810
mind boggling.

1284
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:48,090
is crazy. I want to actually ask
you guys a question. What? What

1285
01:16:48,090 --> 01:16:53,700
drove you guys? What drove you
to be like, Hey, this is an

1286
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:56,460
idea. Like, how did you come up
with this?

1287
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,920
Well, well, this Yeah, this is a
little more. Okay. In a

1288
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:02,550
nutshell.

1289
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:05,459
It just in a nutshell. Yeah.
Don't give me the whole of

1290
01:17:05,459 --> 01:17:05,909
course, no,

1291
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:09,900
I just, I wouldn't want to bore
you. I would be I would be a bad

1292
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:16,110
host. Now, I'm just I always
wanted to do a real project with

1293
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:19,710
Dave Jones. And we've been
working on stuff for 10 years.

1294
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,580
And, and I really enjoyed
working with him. Because, you

1295
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:27,870
know, we've come up with some
crazy ass idea. And then we go

1296
01:17:27,870 --> 01:17:30,870
implement it. And then you know,
and we have all this like, okay,

1297
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:34,350
maybe and it was always because
we wanted to do it. It was it's

1298
01:17:34,350 --> 01:17:38,460
kind of esoteric shit. You know,
it's like RSS feeds aggregators.

1299
01:17:38,490 --> 01:17:43,890
opml, outliners. You know, it's,
it's not really a huge category

1300
01:17:43,890 --> 01:17:47,700
anywhere. And so whenever we had
something, and people be like,

1301
01:17:47,700 --> 01:17:51,030
go, what, okay, they never would
get it, the only thing we had

1302
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:53,340
was the name freedom controller,
which we thought was, you know,

1303
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:56,580
it's kind of like, it's an
oxymoron. It's a dichotomy. It's

1304
01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:59,700
all this, it twists your brain.
And that's right, because no one

1305
01:17:59,700 --> 01:18:05,190
ever caught on to any of our
ideas. But, um, for me,

1306
01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:11,250
personally, it wasn't until I
understood I had made an error,

1307
01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:15,900
you know, a years ago with Steve
Jobs, and I'd given him the

1308
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,770
index and not that I giving him
the the index we had at the

1309
01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:23,250
time, which is five or 6000
podcasts. Not that that was

1310
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,060
wrong. But the error I made is,
I forgot what that would mean.

1311
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:31,500
And so I woke up one day after,
you know, not being podcasting.

1312
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:34,440
We're not really being involved
in the community in the end, in

1313
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:39,600
general. And I saw that Apple
had a stronghold, and I smelled

1314
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,020
things, you know, that were
coming. And they did one deep

1315
01:18:43,020 --> 01:18:46,560
platforming of a number of like
a number of podcast, which was

1316
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,310
in it was actually in
coordination with deep

1317
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:53,640
platforming via Twitter and
Facebook, and I saw that power

1318
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,260
and like, Oh, no, no, we have to
stop that. And at the same time,

1319
01:18:59,220 --> 01:19:03,060
I, you know, I don't even know
how or why, but this lightning

1320
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:11,250
network came into my field of
view. And, and I said, Well, I

1321
01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:14,790
see how we can do streaming
money and complete the value for

1322
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:17,400
value loop. And that's what I
would call Dave. So Dave, you

1323
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:18,630
would have to answer from there.

1324
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:22,680
Yeah, no, no. And my response to
that was, yeah, cool. Let's do

1325
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:22,770
it.

1326
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,890
Pretty much. And that is
literally most of the response

1327
01:19:28,890 --> 01:19:31,590
throughout this whole Bitcoin
community that I've seen since

1328
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:35,130
the beginning of when I got here
was Oh, yeah. What do you want

1329
01:19:35,130 --> 01:19:38,190
to see what happened? give me
give me a second. Let's do it.

1330
01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:40,140
Yeah. And then next thing you
know it exists and you're like,

1331
01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:41,790
what the fuck just me.

1332
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,400
I think the lightning Bitcoin
community fits what me and Adam

1333
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:52,320
will fit our ethos from the
beginning because we, we were

1334
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,990
always that way. We're like,
think of an idea. Throw it out

1335
01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:59,250
there and just if it breaks fine
if it works great. And what I

1336
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:02,280
see that now is very much the
spirit of the whole Bitcoin

1337
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,760
community. Like what like I saw
last night on telegram,

1338
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,230
somebody, the guy at an boss
said, Hey, we just put up a

1339
01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:13,710
leaderboard, where you can send
us messages through your

1340
01:20:13,710 --> 01:20:16,800
lightning payments, and we'll
post it on the leaderboard. And

1341
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:20,850
whoever sends the most sad and
bumps up bumps off the guy at

1342
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:25,740
the top, no. Yes, liquids in. So
and I told him I was like, Well,

1343
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,500
what you should do here is you
should take you should just make

1344
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:31,980
a dummy podcast with one episode
telling explaining people what,

1345
01:20:32,130 --> 01:20:35,280
how to use it and what's going
on? And then have them boost

1346
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:40,710
this. Yeah, like, he was like,
Yeah, cool. Let's do that. I'll

1347
01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:44,850
do that right now. That's the
kind of stuff that it's like,

1348
01:20:44,910 --> 01:20:46,770
you know, you love that. It's a
little Hey, let's

1349
01:20:46,770 --> 01:20:49,650
do it and see what happens. But
But you know, what we all forget

1350
01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:52,260
from time to time is like with
all these little experiments

1351
01:20:52,260 --> 01:20:55,890
that we that come about, and
then become real things like

1352
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:59,430
this still routing payments that
are happening, and people's

1353
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:02,670
liquid instead of, because at
the beginning, I was like, how

1354
01:21:02,670 --> 01:21:07,200
do we do this rebalancing, and
how many days and I'm gonna have

1355
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,440
to write scripts for this and,
and then I realized, but if you

1356
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:14,790
connect it to the right people,
and they see you as also, you

1357
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:17,790
know, the right person to be
connected to, you will be able

1358
01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:23,010
to because of how things route,
you'll be able to just overtime,

1359
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,000
it will route properly. Yeah, if
you're a good No, of course, if

1360
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,760
you're able to keep your node in
a state that you're supposed to.

1361
01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:34,290
But again, you get people that
want to get rich, quick, don't

1362
01:21:34,290 --> 01:21:36,450
want to follow instructions,
just leave things on default, or

1363
01:21:36,450 --> 01:21:39,270
whatever it is. And then that
gems the network, but again,

1364
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:42,240
this is an education thing. And
this is why I like all these

1365
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,450
groups that are floating around.
There's so many on telegram, I

1366
01:21:45,450 --> 01:21:48,990
love telegram so many of these
groups where it's people that

1367
01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:53,640
with information, just it's
about sharing information for

1368
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:57,090
people not to fuck up, let's be
honest, is to make sure that

1369
01:21:57,150 --> 01:22:00,510
things work. Because that's the
whole podcasting 2.0 and

1370
01:22:00,510 --> 01:22:05,250
introduction to lightning, and
good coin, like right now like

1371
01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:07,770
with lightning, let's just use
the lightning. Like I know, you

1372
01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:09,900
know, everything's still in
beta, um, like, the entire

1373
01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:16,290
fucking world is in better mode
for so long. Right? What is what

1374
01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:21,360
is what is a secure way that the
banking system isn't in a secure

1375
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,540
state. That's why we have all of
this happening. So even that is

1376
01:22:24,540 --> 01:22:28,530
in beta mode, it's not done. So
we're seeing that the lightning

1377
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,070
network is in beta mode doesn't
say anything. To me. What say

1378
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:35,430
something to me is the fact that
I can literally send in, I

1379
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:39,090
created wallets for my niece's
one, even 15 years old. they

1380
01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:41,940
each get a little percentage
because of the split, dynamic.

1381
01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:47,610
All of these things. Again,
free, free existing. All you got

1382
01:22:47,610 --> 01:22:50,880
to do is read how to implement
that's it. That's beautiful.

1383
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,310
It's crazy. I am on revolution

1384
01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:55,890
using that, quote, The whole
world is in beta. Thank you very

1385
01:22:55,890 --> 01:23:01,350
much. You've given me a couple
of good. Pick your ass over here

1386
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:04,680
to San Antonio. We got to go
drinkin for sure. I might not

1387
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:10,050
leave any more booster grams.
Dave. We got to finish up.

1388
01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:16,140
Oh, yeah, we got. Let's see. We
got Stephen Bell gave us 22,193

1389
01:23:16,140 --> 01:23:22,980
sets. He says Happy birthday,
Adam. Thank you were born. We're

1390
01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:26,550
all we all are. Let's see. We've
got a This one's a this is a

1391
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:31,920
dirty message from Peter 9000.
SAS. And it's just a bunch of

1392
01:23:31,980 --> 01:23:34,950
it's a bunch of emoji that I
can't describe to you.

1393
01:23:36,090 --> 01:23:37,320
that come through on my email.

1394
01:23:37,860 --> 01:23:40,560
I don't know. I hope I hope not.
You would have been traumatized

1395
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:47,880
by Chad Pharaoh gave us 1000
SATs. He says, I know I'm having

1396
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:58,380
fun. Let's see who else we got.
Rusty red shark isn't gave us 40

1397
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:01,860
sets from fountain app. And he
says this is all the SATs I had

1398
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:03,780
on my app at the moment. All
right. Thank you.

1399
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:06,780
Well, that was the value you
assigned to it. We'll take it

1400
01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:13,470
a drain the ball. The ball, he
says okay, Martin Morrison. This

1401
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:18,600
goes back to the to the last
booster gram. He says he sent me

1402
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,930
a message says I demand
recognition for my donation with

1403
01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:29,310
the too long message. He says I
sent 1% 11,111 satoshis in total

1404
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:32,400
to everyone in the value blog. I
think I wrote that I've now

1405
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,300
assembled too much for so much
furniture that IKEA is thinking

1406
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:41,820
about opening up a branch and
also look very much forward to

1407
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:44,280
having a lot more time for
podcasting. Again, I can't wait

1408
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,280
to do more cutting edge work.
Thank you, Martin. That's Martin

1409
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,840
art been acknowledged.

1410
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:53,910
Yeah, well Martin. Martin is the
developer of pod friend and he's

1411
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:54,690
in Denmark.

1412
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:58,590
Oh yeah. You see like it and
this is the this is the other

1413
01:24:58,590 --> 01:25:03,240
thing like the fact There are so
many of the creators and and

1414
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,950
collaborators are in every group
chat that I'm in like the day by

1415
01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:11,970
day, you can just talk to them.
The accessibility of people

1416
01:25:11,970 --> 01:25:14,910
within the space. Yeah, I mean,
people will joke around every

1417
01:25:14,910 --> 01:25:17,970
now and then. But there's no,
there's no pompous pricks, if

1418
01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:22,590
you're in your room for us,
because everybody will humble

1419
01:25:22,590 --> 01:25:24,600
you very quickly. I mean, that's
what I love about Bitcoin.

1420
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,690
Nobody matters is what Bitcoin
is what matters. And beyond

1421
01:25:27,690 --> 01:25:30,240
that, when people understood it,
they were like, well, then let

1422
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:34,110
me help you understand more of
it. Right? Yeah. Right. Because

1423
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:38,250
if the person next to me knows
what I know, then I don't have

1424
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:42,960
to worry. I don't have to be
like, and this is, man, guys. I

1425
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,090
don't even know how to explain
it. But one question I did have

1426
01:25:45,090 --> 01:25:49,380
for you is with with all the
work could only be called

1427
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:54,780
fighting bullshit that floats
around on Bitcoin as a topic

1428
01:25:55,260 --> 01:26:00,270
throughout America. How? How do
you guys actually like? I mean,

1429
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:02,790
there must be friends of yours
that also just like I mean, come

1430
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:05,460
on, you know, you read this,
like, how do you guys balance it

1431
01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:10,620
out? Being also so within the
innovative space of pushing it

1432
01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:11,070
forward.

1433
01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:15,810
You know, some of this came up
last night and it always comes

1434
01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:19,560
up when you have something when
you talk about Bitcoin, there's

1435
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:25,440
always going to be people that
don't did just talk it down. And

1436
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,990
some of it sometimes it's
misunderstanding and sometimes

1437
01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:33,600
they really do believe it's not
they, they're opposed to it. So

1438
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:37,680
but, you know, I think what we
are at least what I've tried to

1439
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:43,410
do is give people realistic
information and realistic

1440
01:26:43,410 --> 01:26:48,600
advice. Like instead of saying
instead of going in full bore

1441
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:53,400
and saying, you know, Bitcoin
full Bitcoin maximalism right

1442
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:59,130
off the bat, you know, you you
can Bitcoin fixes poverty. Yeah,

1443
01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:02,490
instead of saying stuff like
that. You say, like, at least I

1444
01:27:02,490 --> 01:27:06,030
describe it by saying, Well, you
know, Bitcoin is the only thing

1445
01:27:06,030 --> 01:27:10,230
that seems like, it seems like
money is the only thing that

1446
01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:15,780
behaves like a like a money. And
in that's why I think it's going

1447
01:27:15,780 --> 01:27:19,350
to be ultimately successful. And
so when you I think when you

1448
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:22,110
express things like that, at
least from what I've seen, it's

1449
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:25,980
easier to start that way. Yeah.
And it makes people not think

1450
01:27:25,980 --> 01:27:26,880
that you're a wacko.

1451
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:31,050
That ship has long left my
harbor brother.

1452
01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:41,280
That could be been VMAs BMA si
send us 5000 SATs. It says go

1453
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:49,650
podcast. Thank you very much.
linkin park rules. Send us 100

1454
01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:51,720
SATs, testing out the fountain
app.

1455
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:53,040
All right. Work first.

1456
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,980
First booster gram as a monthly
supporter. It's amazing to see

1457
01:27:55,980 --> 01:27:58,800
how far this has come since
episode one congrats guys.

1458
01:27:59,490 --> 01:28:05,970
Boost. Oscar marry, and the
developer of fountain USD

1459
01:28:05,970 --> 01:28:11,610
fountain is 7777 says nice nice.
You really have invented

1460
01:28:11,610 --> 01:28:16,500
everything. It's a sack of
sevens everybody. Yeah, you guys

1461
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:23,670
guys are magicians. Mike. Mike
Newman's in his 1003 SAS and he

1462
01:28:23,670 --> 01:28:30,120
says ISO booze. You got it. Ask
him marry.

1463
01:28:32,460 --> 01:28:38,400
You crack me up, man. Like you
guys are magicians. money out of

1464
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,270
out of air.

1465
01:28:41,250 --> 01:28:44,490
Magical internet money. Yeah.
That I can withdraw.

1466
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:48,660
Yeah, that's right. You can get
some free up fun coupons.

1467
01:28:49,380 --> 01:28:52,890
I was gonna Where's your Marisa
1000 SATs and he just says

1468
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:55,830
fountain with some confetti.
That's right,

1469
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:59,160
the fountain app in the App
Store everybody full on and

1470
01:29:00,149 --> 01:29:02,579
I just wanted to let you guys
know, I think just as you were

1471
01:29:02,579 --> 01:29:05,309
going through the readings, I
think I understand why the

1472
01:29:05,309 --> 01:29:09,749
adoption in Africa is so much
more accelerated than anywhere

1473
01:29:09,749 --> 01:29:13,229
else in the world, is because
Africans are used to using

1474
01:29:13,229 --> 01:29:19,049
Western Union and moneygram.
Haha. You see, those fees are

1475
01:29:19,049 --> 01:29:23,459
fucking ridiculous. Guys, I've
sent money with this. This is

1476
01:29:23,459 --> 01:29:27,239
stupid, like, compared to like
the drill bit of cash that you

1477
01:29:27,239 --> 01:29:30,629
spend in routing or whatever
fees you want to call fees, that

1478
01:29:30,629 --> 01:29:33,689
other shit where you have to go
withdraw more money to come and

1479
01:29:33,689 --> 01:29:36,659
send the money that you just
withdrew? Because you would like

1480
01:29:36,659 --> 01:29:41,399
5000 short, that's ridiculous.
But when I can send everything

1481
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:46,079
for a couple hundreds or not
even, you understand So for most

1482
01:29:46,079 --> 01:29:49,019
evidences that way we will be
who's lying and when they find

1483
01:29:49,019 --> 01:29:51,719
out nobody's laying I think
that's when it clicks to be

1484
01:29:51,719 --> 01:29:53,879
like, Whoa, let's do this before
they block it.

1485
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:57,870
That's very interesting, because
that's that makes most and

1486
01:29:57,870 --> 01:30:01,980
that's really my first usage of
Bitcoin. Full on, was because

1487
01:30:02,610 --> 01:30:07,350
during the lockdowns, my
daughter lost all income. And so

1488
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:11,040
I need to send her money. And I
just looked at the banking fees

1489
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,370
and like it takes three days and
then has to get approved on her

1490
01:30:14,370 --> 01:30:17,580
side. And five days later.
Meanwhile, the kids like

1491
01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:20,130
scraping the bottom of the
barrel. And I said, Well, what

1492
01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:24,090
can we do here? And there's this
bit my money is a operation in

1493
01:30:24,090 --> 01:30:28,410
Europe. And they're tied into
the European financial network.

1494
01:30:28,620 --> 01:30:31,230
And so you just get a Bitcoin
address, I send it to her boom,

1495
01:30:31,230 --> 01:30:34,170
it goes right to her bank, you
know, 10 minutes start to

1496
01:30:34,170 --> 01:30:37,830
finish, you know, and when I saw
that, I'm like, Yeah, well, now

1497
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:43,050
I understand part of the
remittance problem. Yeah,

1498
01:30:43,050 --> 01:30:45,990
exactly. In a Western way. I
mean, you know, Western whiteboy

1499
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:47,130
problems, but yeah,

1500
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:52,560
absolutely. But it's it, you see
it as that, but it's a real day

1501
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,910
to day problem for most people,
yes. Literally live off of just

1502
01:30:56,910 --> 01:31:00,330
remittance from people sending
their money from outside because

1503
01:31:00,330 --> 01:31:03,570
they can't get enough. So with
myself, I mean, it was it was a

1504
01:31:03,570 --> 01:31:06,570
very different situation. My
brother was in Dubai, and I had

1505
01:31:06,570 --> 01:31:09,780
to send him money, but with the
banks, they were like, okay,

1506
01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:12,390
sir, you know, the fees are
going to be I'm like, yo, let me

1507
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:15,180
just let me withdraw this money.
And then I'm gonna go pay it

1508
01:31:15,210 --> 01:31:19,560
over to God Bitcoin Namibia.
Yeah, download this app, and I'm

1509
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,220
gonna fuckin send you this final
trader there and sell it to him.

1510
01:31:23,370 --> 01:31:27,180
And all of this is going to be
done in one day. Yeah. And

1511
01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:32,130
that's what happened. We were
like, okay, we're not using

1512
01:31:32,130 --> 01:31:35,580
Western Union again, if this is
how it's gonna be, because the

1513
01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:39,270
amount of fees we're paying is
another payment for anything

1514
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:43,080
else. So that's when I also
started looking into it. Why is

1515
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:47,640
this? How can it be? Because in
my mind, I mean, I have an MBA,

1516
01:31:47,820 --> 01:31:50,730
and I've never heard a shit like
this. There are no feet almost

1517
01:31:50,730 --> 01:31:54,120
no feelings. Yes. Crazy. Yeah.
But once you look at it, you're

1518
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,150
like, Oh, they didn't want to do
with that. Do you have?

1519
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,519
Can you use PayPal in Namibia?

1520
01:32:00,149 --> 01:32:03,719
Oh, that's okay. So with PayPal,
I'm gonna blow you guys's mind

1521
01:32:03,719 --> 01:32:06,539
just quick, fast. So PayPal, you
can send me money via PayPal, I

1522
01:32:06,539 --> 01:32:07,289
can withdraw it.

1523
01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:10,560
What good is that?

1524
01:32:10,979 --> 01:32:14,729
So yeah, you can use it. But
there's a third party app that

1525
01:32:14,729 --> 01:32:20,819
PayPal bought. Which I can then
also give them my details. To

1526
01:32:20,819 --> 01:32:25,139
then through PayPal, pay them
also another fee, and then get

1527
01:32:25,139 --> 01:32:25,829
some of my money

1528
01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:26,910
out brother.

1529
01:32:28,050 --> 01:32:30,660
I found this out because it's
like another poet that I know.

1530
01:32:30,660 --> 01:32:33,330
And she's also an English
teacher. And she's also a

1531
01:32:34,290 --> 01:32:37,890
psychologist. And she was doing
online work. But she was like,

1532
01:32:37,890 --> 01:32:40,320
how can I get paid? And I was
like, but when she's like, no,

1533
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,420
but you know, they went up. I'm
like, Listen, if you want to

1534
01:32:42,450 --> 01:32:47,460
just go past all of the trouble,
just get them to send you to the

1535
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:51,450
moon wallet, download moon and
send you this money real quick.

1536
01:32:51,450 --> 01:32:53,730
And then I'll tell you how you
can change it back into Namibian

1537
01:32:53,730 --> 01:32:56,820
dollars but if you don't want to
go through all this other crap

1538
01:32:56,820 --> 01:33:00,510
and get charged how many other
times they just get charged once

1539
01:33:00,510 --> 01:33:03,360
then it's a low fee. And the
weekend is even lower because

1540
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,240
the mempool empty. Yeah, but you
get to that

1541
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:11,250
knowledge. Yeah, so this culture
of even sending a donation or

1542
01:33:11,250 --> 01:33:13,950
payment with a message doesn't
really exist because the

1543
01:33:13,950 --> 01:33:17,070
infrastructure infrastructure is
too expensive. Yeah,

1544
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:26,969
Nicola, I just sent you 2112 how
many how many of those that what

1545
01:33:26,969 --> 01:33:31,499
came through what was the fee? I
sent you? 2112 What did you

1546
01:33:31,499 --> 01:33:35,339
actually go Okay, okay, we Okay,
I think I got let me get into

1547
01:33:35,339 --> 01:33:40,229
that. I got 2091 2091

1548
01:33:40,289 --> 01:33:44,669
I don't want to take it took
like 4% No, no less.

1549
01:33:45,149 --> 01:33:46,409
Yeah, no, that's that's

1550
01:33:48,180 --> 01:33:51,480
not even what am I talking
about? even worth working out

1551
01:33:51,480 --> 01:33:52,770
now. It's not listening.

1552
01:33:55,979 --> 01:33:56,609
Guys like you know

1553
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,490
wait Nikolai. Wait until we blow
your mind because coming up

1554
01:33:59,490 --> 01:34:05,160
next, we're going to have per
episode value block. So when

1555
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:11,460
that happens, then I'll go back
and I'll put your your node into

1556
01:34:11,490 --> 01:34:15,510
the split of that episode. And
we're you know, so whatever,

1557
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:18,510
we'll give you a third of what
we have what we have after

1558
01:34:18,570 --> 01:34:21,660
everyone else is split over you
guys. And so in perpetuity

1559
01:34:21,660 --> 01:34:24,960
anyone who listens to your
episode you're going to get a

1560
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,180
Bitcoin stream to you guys.

1561
01:34:28,140 --> 01:34:33,390
What does that tell you?
magicians. Fucking magician. You

1562
01:34:33,390 --> 01:34:38,220
guys should call yourself
Gandalf. Gandalf the white I'm

1563
01:34:38,220 --> 01:34:42,600
getting off the gray this guy's
like I've been waiting for

1564
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,210
something like this because this
is also looking at as another

1565
01:34:45,210 --> 01:34:48,420
way of onboarding right? Yeah,
me Oh, yeah. Like my like the

1566
01:34:48,420 --> 01:34:51,060
rest of my mind that the people
that are interviewing or have on

1567
01:34:51,060 --> 01:34:53,910
my podcast like Hey, guys, well,
you don't know about Bitcoin but

1568
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:57,090
how about I split some with you?
What do you mean? what I get for

1569
01:34:57,090 --> 01:35:01,110
this interview forever. You can
get some huh? Yeah, why the fuck

1570
01:35:01,110 --> 01:35:06,330
would I say no to that? Nobody's
gonna say no to that. Because in

1571
01:35:06,330 --> 01:35:09,450
their mind, you just said free
money for something they already

1572
01:35:09,450 --> 01:35:13,440
did. Yeah. It's like why you
prepay people, right I believe

1573
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,110
if somebody's doing like a
jewelry piece for you that of

1574
01:35:16,110 --> 01:35:19,710
course that you trust, but like,
I believe pay the person up

1575
01:35:19,710 --> 01:35:22,500
front, so that they don't have
any problem doing the job. Like

1576
01:35:22,500 --> 01:35:25,470
it's not a him thinking if he
just paid me that I wouldn't

1577
01:35:25,470 --> 01:35:28,050
have had to worry about my water
bill and, and and finish this.

1578
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:31,560
Like, most of the time, I like
to pay people upfront that I

1579
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,860
trust with the jobs that I do,
of course, like, not just giving

1580
01:35:34,890 --> 01:35:38,670
everybody money up front, I'm
not crazy. But I've realized

1581
01:35:38,670 --> 01:35:40,920
that when you trust people in
that way, they trust you back.

1582
01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:44,340
And the quality of the
relationship then shows in the

1583
01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:45,900
artwork or whatever I

1584
01:35:45,929 --> 01:35:47,759
was totally agree, totally
agree.

1585
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,860
And that is value for value.
This is why people understand it

1586
01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:58,650
at its core, because that's how
life should be. And if I'm

1587
01:35:58,650 --> 01:36:02,400
valuable in your life, do not
want to give some value to me.

1588
01:36:02,430 --> 01:36:06,120
So if I'm giving you knowledge
with I'm entertaining you Why

1589
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,460
wouldn't you want to give me the
value that you want to give me

1590
01:36:08,460 --> 01:36:11,310
without somebody else taking a
piece that none of us know

1591
01:36:11,310 --> 01:36:13,410
about? Because most of the times
that somebody's taking a piece

1592
01:36:13,410 --> 01:36:16,050
he said we don't know what
they're taking, like if you've

1593
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:18,720
ever spoken to somebody in
China, right? Most of them don't

1594
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,570
know what what they pay in tax.
Like today you could get let's

1595
01:36:21,570 --> 01:36:25,380
say 20,000 as your as your pay
the next day or the next month

1596
01:36:25,380 --> 01:36:28,080
you only get 15,000 the rest was
tax you don't know what to

1597
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,680
happen in the difference. But
that's what happened to tax. Now

1598
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:36,090
we're saying you can know every
aspect of that tax you know

1599
01:36:36,090 --> 01:36:40,200
where it's going. He trace it
and you can say no, yeah,

1600
01:36:41,220 --> 01:36:43,860
you can say no. You can say I
don't want to do

1601
01:36:43,860 --> 01:36:45,660
that when I'm gonna choose
another route. It's gonna be

1602
01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:48,630
cheaper this way. I get I'm
gonna get mobile money if I go

1603
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:49,710
by this note.

1604
01:36:50,370 --> 01:36:54,990
Before we get some more we get
Serbs creaser paid sir paid Pete

1605
01:36:55,020 --> 01:37:00,300
gave us sir Pete gave us 1000
SATs and he says go bike

1606
01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:02,730
podcasting. Is that a Dutch
thing?

1607
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:05,820
I must be yes. Yes. He's Dutch.
So definitely

1608
01:37:06,180 --> 01:37:09,150
go bike podcasting. Funny thing.
The one problem in the

1609
01:37:09,150 --> 01:37:12,270
Netherlands is acceptable,
trustworthy and friendly wallet

1610
01:37:12,270 --> 01:37:15,240
that plays nice with the local
Venmo variant. I love the new

1611
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,610
apps. Cheers, sir. payplan new
podcast

1612
01:37:17,610 --> 01:37:19,110
app calm. Thank you for paying.
Yeah.

1613
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:26,940
Thanks, guys. Oh, Tim k from LNP
gave us 100 SATs. He says this

1614
01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:36,480
is test from the plebe phi. See,
Nick gave us 500 SATs. And he

1615
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,720
just said some some celebratory
emojis. Very nice.

1616
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:40,230
Thank you.

1617
01:37:40,649 --> 01:37:44,819
I think Nick, I think he's Oscar
Mary's partner in crime. Oh,

1618
01:37:45,629 --> 01:37:52,379
fountain. Yeah, I think so.
David mitas gave us 10,000 SATs

1619
01:37:52,379 --> 01:37:55,559
through fountain nap. Thank you,
David. Thank you for your kind

1620
01:37:55,559 --> 01:37:58,889
words about our little shift.
That is a good show.

1621
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,410
Thank you for supporting the
whole shebang.

1622
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:07,830
Aaron is selinux gave us 1234
cents. He says if you could

1623
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:11,040
throw anyone under a bus alive
or dead, who would it be?

1624
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,730
To throw anyone under the bus?

1625
01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:19,050
I don't want to do that either.

1626
01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:22,230
That's that's a section that's
actually under on their podcast

1627
01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:27,660
that they do. throw you under
the bus section. I got to think

1628
01:38:27,660 --> 01:38:29,190
about that one that's tough for
me.

1629
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:35,100
aerostatic I gave us 1000 SATs.
And he just says booster grants.

1630
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:39,840
All right. And then he gave us
another 1000 sets and he says

1631
01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:43,980
set calm which I thought was
brilliant. Calm Yeah,

1632
01:38:43,980 --> 01:38:46,440
it's a total SATCOM. That is a
good one.

1633
01:38:46,770 --> 01:38:51,600
Yeah, put that one in the book
down and see somebody who is

1634
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:56,910
clearly anonymous because their
name his name says gave us 9001

1635
01:38:56,910 --> 01:39:03,600
SAS. And it's Zig zig zag Zig
zakka boost boost boost.

1636
01:39:05,130 --> 01:39:06,060
Wow.

1637
01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:09,300
Do you fch T is that German for
boost?

1638
01:39:09,330 --> 01:39:10,260
Say it again.

1639
01:39:10,830 --> 01:39:13,110
Boost bu s ch t

1640
01:39:13,770 --> 01:39:19,500
not know. These are spells man
spells. Yeah, somebody Yeah. Did

1641
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:22,230
you turn into a frog? Do you
turn to frog when you said that?

1642
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,830
my monthly donors to finish that
off is polar skinning gave us

1643
01:39:29,010 --> 01:39:35,160
$11.14 Charles current $5
Michael Goggin. $5 James

1644
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:40,680
Sullivan $10 Christopher reamer
$10 Jordan dunville $10 Duke

1645
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:48,930
coats $6.66 Michael kimmerer
$5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Dred Scott

1646
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:56,100
$15 Chandra Thank you. Leslie
Martin $2 Gary Keller. $4.11

1647
01:39:56,130 --> 01:40:02,850
Pedro Goncalves $5 Aaron Renaud
$5 droid works LLC gave us $20

1648
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,690
Scott Jalbert $12 in Mark Graham
$1

1649
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:11,369
Holy moly, great list. Thank you
all so much for that's a great

1650
01:40:11,369 --> 01:40:14,249
list. Yeah, well, yeah, it keeps
everything Running Man keeps all

1651
01:40:14,249 --> 01:40:19,079
the servers running keeps the
node funded. And by the way,

1652
01:40:19,079 --> 01:40:23,879
I'm, I keep checking, but I you
know, I'm trying to do zero base

1653
01:40:23,879 --> 01:40:26,789
fee on the node for everybody.
So if you see something

1654
01:40:26,789 --> 01:40:28,799
different pop up or whatever,
let me know.

1655
01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:34,260
Do you have a channel open to
us, Nicola? I'm about to look

1656
01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:35,880
for right now. Yeah,

1657
01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:41,010
we'll open up a nice channel to
you. And you we should because

1658
01:40:41,010 --> 01:40:47,040
then we because we have a five,
5 million sat channel with LMP

1659
01:40:47,070 --> 01:40:51,990
so that'll help and LNP has a
big channel to breeze so that

1660
01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:55,410
could help on some of the fees.
You see why I love

1661
01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:59,250
this entire freaking thing?
Yeah, is that amazing guys? Like

1662
01:40:59,250 --> 01:41:01,380
it's like, oh, no, don't worry.
Like I'll hook you up. I'm

1663
01:41:01,380 --> 01:41:04,980
already there. Just Just let me
give me your give me a note. And

1664
01:41:04,980 --> 01:41:08,730
yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's
magic. But one thing I do want

1665
01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:10,890
to ask you guys is when are you
going to create our

1666
01:41:10,890 --> 01:41:14,760
decentralized internet? And when
I say internet I mean by like,

1667
01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:16,860
internet service provider.

1668
01:41:18,660 --> 01:41:25,710
Well decentralized Oh, you can
do it. I know you can. Do you

1669
01:41:25,710 --> 01:41:29,010
guys here listen till tomorrow
at least you know we'll come

1670
01:41:29,010 --> 01:41:30,030
back with a

1671
01:41:30,030 --> 01:41:33,480
demo I'll give you guys at least
two years with all the other

1672
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:36,240
crazy cat stuff but like
seriously if you think about it

1673
01:41:36,510 --> 01:41:39,690
this is this is this is what we
need Next we need a way for them

1674
01:41:39,690 --> 01:41:44,010
not to be able to shut down the
internet because the current

1675
01:41:44,010 --> 01:41:46,830
internet if they decide no we
don't want you to use it they

1676
01:41:46,830 --> 01:41:50,400
could shut it down and then
we're all fucked. Yeah, but

1677
01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:56,580
globally but if if we can create
a way that is this just ridic I

1678
01:41:56,580 --> 01:41:58,980
know that I know you guys got it
Don't worry I believe in you

1679
01:41:58,980 --> 01:42:01,980
guys just know that I believe in
you. And you got this

1680
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,420
to take a little longer at
podcasting 2.0 but we do we do

1681
01:42:06,420 --> 01:42:10,740
guarantee success eventually
we'll get literally created this

1682
01:42:11,490 --> 01:42:15,150
it's only gonna take 500 billion
sets and we can and will be in

1683
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:18,930
good shape. Nicola will boost
the grams. That's right.

1684
01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:23,580
Nicole, I want to thank you so
much man for for joining us

1685
01:42:23,580 --> 01:42:26,880
today. Thank you for for
preaching everything that you're

1686
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:33,270
doing for for podcasting for
Bitcoin and for Namibia for for

1687
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:37,950
everybody. where's the best
place to find you and, and the

1688
01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:39,240
from the jump podcast?

1689
01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:42,390
Well, firstly, thanks for having
me, guys. I mean, this is this

1690
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:45,480
is truly an honor to speak with
you guys in such a candid

1691
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:50,370
manner. I mean, who was really
fun. You can find me as open,

1692
01:42:50,370 --> 01:42:55,530
that's okay. I N underscore one
seven. So that's open underscore

1693
01:42:55,530 --> 01:42:58,920
17. everywhere, everywhere you
search for me that's that's what

1694
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:03,330
I'm as. If you want to get my
original government name, you

1695
01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:06,120
can find that through just
searching for Oakland underscore

1696
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:12,420
17 as well. Brees is where I
look, I normally push everybody

1697
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:17,040
to but I also if you go on my
link tree is also as in Oakland

1698
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:22,080
underscore 17 or from the jump
then you will find me under the

1699
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:27,630
podcast index as well. And red
circle. So what I've done is I'm

1700
01:43:27,630 --> 01:43:30,360
literally trying to scale back
from people finding me

1701
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:33,930
everywhere else. Slowly but
surely, you will still find my

1702
01:43:33,930 --> 01:43:38,430
podcast on Dan Lou Africa, which
is the the Namibian streaming

1703
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:41,820
service to the world. And
hopefully they will also start

1704
01:43:42,270 --> 01:43:45,030
after some conversations
incorporating the lightning

1705
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:47,850
network because that is the
future if if you don't if you

1706
01:43:47,850 --> 01:43:49,680
don't what do they say if you
don't adapt today?

1707
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:51,660
That's right. That's right.

1708
01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:59,970
And many things have died. That
is true. So guys, Oh, this one

1709
01:43:59,970 --> 01:44:02,580
little thing is very weird to
throw in at the end. But um, so

1710
01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:04,440
you know, in Namibia, we
actually get taxed for our

1711
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,949
ATM, right? Oh, for our credit.
So yeah, in it like 15% is

1712
01:44:07,949 --> 01:44:09,629
pretty high. Yeah. So

1713
01:44:09,630 --> 01:44:14,220
you you pay value at a tax on
your area, as well. This is the

1714
01:44:14,220 --> 01:44:16,380
way that they tax people that
don't pay tax.

1715
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,260
Basically, yeah. Everybody's
talking about that in one of

1716
01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:21,420
your, in one of your episodes,
you were saying that if you

1717
01:44:21,420 --> 01:44:25,650
bought like $10 worth of data,
which you really got was like

1718
01:44:25,710 --> 01:44:26,670
$8.50,

1719
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:30,000
not even the data. So just if
you buy it just the airtime to

1720
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,550
then transferring to data. So
then again, you get another,

1721
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,500
it's another it's another thing,
but at the same time, our fees

1722
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:39,990
are a lot less than other
people. But again, if you just

1723
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:43,650
think about the concept of how
do we tax the untestable that we

1724
01:44:43,650 --> 01:44:47,400
know don't have bank accounts.
Let's tax the good you know, I'm

1725
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:51,300
saying we need a new internet.
We need new, new everything I

1726
01:44:51,300 --> 01:44:51,720
have.

1727
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:54,450
So then I have kind of one final
question because whenever

1728
01:44:55,710 --> 01:44:58,680
throughout this conversation,
probably a lot of conversations

1729
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,950
that happen in the western Part
of the world you know all of it

1730
01:45:01,950 --> 01:45:04,080
was willing to be beaten and
maybe a sucks for this and that

1731
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,450
and that and that. Tell me
something that's really great

1732
01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:09,990
about Namibia and what is really
fantastic so so this is the

1733
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:13,650
thing all those things I've
mentioned are so miniscule in

1734
01:45:13,650 --> 01:45:16,980
how beautiful my country is
that's that's just this is why

1735
01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:20,040
people like Angelina Jolie they
bought houses here right and you

1736
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:21,000
know, loved your

1737
01:45:22,260 --> 01:45:25,470
children. I thought she was in
the house there to buy kids.

1738
01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:32,490
Hey, that's another story, I
don't know. But what I will say

1739
01:45:32,490 --> 01:45:36,630
is that landscapes a great
people are always friendly. And

1740
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,740
for all the things that are
wrong, there's a lot of beauty

1741
01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:44,490
in being Namibian, and being
here, I mean, pieces one thing

1742
01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:49,410
that it's great, but also the
fact that the youth are becoming

1743
01:45:49,410 --> 01:45:54,450
more vocal in what they do and
don't want and forcing those

1744
01:45:54,450 --> 01:45:57,210
that are not youth to have to
look at it and have to

1745
01:45:57,210 --> 01:46:00,900
understand it and things like
you know, Bitcoin and

1746
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,500
podcasting. 2.0 is exactly the
type of technologies that

1747
01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:06,930
disrupt and say, Look, if you
don't see that this is what's

1748
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:11,790
already happening. And you're
back in where it was. Then we

1749
01:46:11,790 --> 01:46:15,510
need you to leave or make a plan
and step up clear. And I think

1750
01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:19,170
things like this are just
globally revolutionary. So with

1751
01:46:19,170 --> 01:46:23,400
Namibia, I will say come down.
Oh, don't let anybody fool you.

1752
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:26,040
Don't let anybody fool you.
Firstly, it's going to be dirt

1753
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:30,120
cheap for you guys with US
dollars. I'm working on people

1754
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:34,170
accepting Bitcoin so you don't
have to work in Fiat and you

1755
01:46:34,170 --> 01:46:38,460
will never ever ever see a
sunset like a Namibian one

1756
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,190
guarantee. I'll even bet you
some

1757
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:44,669
sets on that. Wow. Okay, well,
Texas likes to compete on our

1758
01:46:44,669 --> 01:46:47,399
sunset so you good sir. You

1759
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,520
cannot sit in the desert and
look into the ocean like I can.

1760
01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:54,000
Literally one road separates it
one road right.

1761
01:46:55,470 --> 01:46:58,470
And there's no there's no COVID
because COVID chose not to hit

1762
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:58,560
oh

1763
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:03,870
no we do. We have we have COVID
algorithm was going down to i

1764
01:47:03,870 --> 01:47:06,480
was i was there on the decrease
heavily.

1765
01:47:06,630 --> 01:47:07,260
Good.

1766
01:47:08,009 --> 01:47:11,489
Very good. Guys, it was really
an honor to speak to you guys.

1767
01:47:11,489 --> 01:47:14,969
You guys are really awesome. I
must say I must say I was a bit

1768
01:47:14,999 --> 01:47:17,429
you know, anxious at the
beginning. I was like, you know,

1769
01:47:17,429 --> 01:47:22,859
these guys created this thing is
crazy, man. What am I gonna see?

1770
01:47:24,270 --> 01:47:26,220
Just be yourself, man.
Everything's great.

1771
01:47:26,250 --> 01:47:28,320
Archie is great talking to you.
Great talk.

1772
01:47:28,350 --> 01:47:30,930
God. Same same guys. I'll send
you that email. I really need

1773
01:47:30,930 --> 01:47:33,330
that script. I want to see how
all this works moving forward.

1774
01:47:33,330 --> 01:47:35,880
It's lovely. You bet. Dave Have
a good one.

1775
01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:39,180
Dave Yep, everything good.

1776
01:47:39,210 --> 01:47:43,200
Anything else we need? I'm good,
man. I think I think that was a

1777
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:45,270
fun talk. Man. That was awesome.
Definitely.

1778
01:47:45,300 --> 01:47:48,480
Okay, everybody that did for
podcasting. 2.0 We will be back

1779
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,480
on a regular schedule tomorrow
with the first episode of a

1780
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:54,840
brand new year podcasting. 2.0
See you then.

1781
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:14,910
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1782
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