podcasting 2.0 for September 3 2021, Episode 52 celebrating
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week, a week, you know, like two weeks feels like a year. That
mean you miss one week and you feel like you've you know, done
something done something terrible. This is,
you know, whenever I people say to me, what do you recommend for
all podcasts, there's the one thing I've learned is you've got
to be consistent. If you do a weekly show, do it every week
and do it on the same day and try to release it even within
the same time period. Because people start to adapt their
lives to it and start to anticipate it and get all
excited. And man, I saw a lot of people upset that we didn't have
a show last week.
I mean, I was upset that we didn't have
me to
see the stack of crap I have here to talk about and I know
I know. Well, I was in the in the lowlands I was visiting my
daughter was her birthday last Friday on the 27th
your birthday today it is yes. Happy birthday, my friend. Thank
you very much. Yep. 57 I did great. feels really good. Good
number. I'm liking my wife gave me an AR 15 for my 57th
birthday. How many guys can say that?
That's, that is awesome.
But not just an AR 15 a black rifle, a Black Rain ordinance.
Are you familiar with these?
was not until I saw the picture of it on Twitter. Like I love
the comment. This is this is the new rain state. Yeah, like this.
The rain stick and someone else it looks like the scorpion
attack is ramping up over there.
Yeah, that attack is over. But the funny
thing is, is Tina went out and you know, she called some of the
hill country patriots and said, Oh, I'm gonna get this first
birthday. And so they're all these like, ex military dudes,
you know, in the gun shop with my wife like, yeah, let's get
him this.
Let's put this bid on. He must have a lot of self confidence.
Anyways, so yeah, there's a lot to talk about. We have a super
guest on today. I'm very excited about. Yeah, but we let me see.
I guess it's kind of to catch up. I it was so nice. I love the
dev call podcast that Brian puts up of the of the dev call
because it's like, oh my god, I have to go searching everywhere
to find out where there's a recording. It just shows up in
the app. So watch that was a great dev QA a lot of
interesting ideas.
It was it was really good. I'm getting to sort of catch up with
things and Phil Mike pod Pang is is in really good shape. I mean,
Alex is, you know, just kicking ass on that thing and putting it
together into the end Docker rising it? And I feel like I
feel like that thing is is it's a product all by itself, man.
Yeah.
So when he when he sees Docker eyes, that means I can run my
own pod ping service or?
Yeah, yeah, straight up. I mean, you just yeah, it's just like a
Docker pool and or it will be you know, when it once it's
fully baked. I mean, it, it's already you can already do it.
But once he gets everything ready, it'll be just download
it, install it and good to go. Yeah, nice. Nice. I want to
remind everybody of our positioning, which I'm very
proud of the more I read it, the more I like it. The podcast
index is here to preserve, protect and extend the open
independent podcasting ecosystem. We do this by
enabling developers to have access to open categorized index
that will always be available for free for any use.
Who has a Dred Scott said that we need to change that on the
Pay Pal to Yes, I
saw that. Yeah. Everyone's always looking out for all
aspects of a man. I love that. Oh, before I forget some I'm
talking about New Tech. Nice exhaust.
Oh, thank you very much. That this is the this is the time
like since we didn't have a podcast last weekend. I thought,
Okay, I need to actually fix some crap on my truck that I
mean, this is my this 65 Ford is my daily driver. I mean, I drove
it everywhere. And it was halfway falling apart. It was
things falling off of it. It was there was lots of maintenance to
be done. So I'm now fully repaired and in good shape.
Yeah.
Nice looking exhausts. If you look under the cars like this
really shiny bit. Oh, okay. That's
the new little
beautiful man. Beautiful. Thanks. Yeah. So they were We're
interesting topics like commenting, and how that
integrates with, I guess we're somewhere in the middle. It
feels to me we're somewhere kind of in between the live stuff the
the notification for live, which somehow also kind of flows over
into some of the possible commenting systems. I know Alex
was pushing for an activity pub, which seems for comments, which
seems a little overkill to me
for comments. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the the activity
pub. Well, I think we may be getting confused again. Yeah, I
think so. comments and reviews or comments and chat. I'm sorry.
So you can have you know, and
why don't you just tell me what what's on the table? So I have a
better understanding and or whatever you think wherever we
are. I was out for a week. So I don't know I was smoking weed in
Amsterdam. The hell do I know anymore?
It's cross app comments, and is what
his goal is the goal
is what is the goal? Yeah. And I mean, that's already running on
activity pub. Brian with cast pod cast pod and pod friend.
Yeah, yeah. And so I think you may be talking about activitypub
linked to booster grams.
Oh, yes. I'm sorry. That's what it was. That was the overkill
part. You're right.
So you know, I don't
I had one. I just have one comment. Yeah. from someone who
uses this stuff all the time. I do not want to encourage anyone
to be writing long notes, period, end of story. That's it.
And there's a reason why Twitter restricts their, their character
amount. And it's simple. It's it's a whole different
experience if you let anyone do whatever they want. And so
besides the other hurdles it might take to connect a booster
gram to an activity pub message, and I understand all the cool
authentication stuff that this is really my message and all
that. But if that's gonna enable people to send Warren Piece I'd
rather not have it. I'd like to restriction I really do.
I think he's thinking about it in terms of protocols instead of
because it because really, I mean, if you think about it a
booster gram, it works. But it's kind of hacky. Because what
you're the whole context of that conversation came about because
we were talking about the limitations of what you can fit
into a single lightning message. router. That's Yes, yes. 1300
byte payload roughly. And then. So what he was saying is, well,
I mean, if we need bigger stuff. So for instance, you know, we're
trying to pack a whole lot of things into this into this TLV
record. And so you're wanting to put in a URL, the timestamp, the
name of the podcast, the name of the episode? Right? There's a
lot of stuff you get in there. And so if you look at your
overall limit of 1300 bytes, you start to see that that's sort of
current, you're getting cramped here, and you don't have much
left over now, if you have in all of this was in the context
of somebody who I think Martin said that his to his message
booster Graham may have gotten lost. Yes, yeah. It's so I don't
think we were thinking that he may have written too long of a
message, and then it just
went away somehow. And then it got corrupted.
I ended up finding it later, it did come through. And I think,
and I'm not I haven't had time to figure out why it didn't show
up in our histogram push. But we were talking about that. It's
like, Okay, well, what happens if you overrun that 1300 byte
limit? Right? And the answer is, nobody knows.
Well, can't we just test that? Can we just put a whole bunch of
junk in see what happens? Sure.
Yeah, they'll I think Brian put in like two paragraphs worth of
lorem ipsum. And nothing like I don't think it even went
Oh, okay. So it doesn't even stand out. But yeah, I
don't think so. Yeah, so anyway, that was the whole context. So
Alex was saying well, you know, the problem God The reason this
is a problem is because there's no protocol here only is true.
There's like spray and pray.
Yeah, and this and this, I believe this will all change
with bolt 12 when we get the open invoices is that is that
how do you think that open invoice it will still work
through the same basic Real Time Protocol where you need like
keys and where you need to be have a note up all the time.
Yeah, I think it's actually the spec and the value spec. And
that's something worth talking about too. You know, It's now
formalized it Yes, the namespace Yes, actually.
Hello value for value in the namespace fees for.
Yeah. And so it's it's fully in there it's, it's it's
formalized, it's not a proposal anymore. And I really want to
thank Gigi for helping, cuz he, he went through and just double
checked everything. And he wrote the item overrides. And one of
the things he also did was he put in the support for app. So
in that the value block is ready to go for app slash open
invoices as well, bolt 12 should work fine.
Excellent. So we don't have to change the spec when when bolt
when that gets implemented. Right. So
what I'm seeing is how almost everybody thinks that bolt 12
will coincide or will live alongside of keys, and for some,
you know, period of time, probably a long time. Then what
should happen is everybody's keys and will just continue to
work. And then at some point, if a podcaster wants to switch to
amp, they're open open invoice bolt 12. They'll just confusing,
an AMP amp. I know amp already works. Bolt 12 is something
different than just,
yeah, amp is the multi path payments.
Yeah, and that's already functional. It's just this, I
should stop saying that, but they they're easy to confuse. So
bolt 12 is mine was the switch that they should be able to just
generate an open invoice a static invoice, and just plop
that into their value block and change the type from lightning
to into amp, I think is what is what it is. I'll have to go back
and read the spec anyway, that it's ready to go. So it
shouldn't it should be a seamless transition.
We don't have to belabor it. But I did have an interesting
experience with ln URL, which is now implemented in a lot of
these apps. And here's, here's what the, here's what was most
interesting. So ln URL is the way we can just have a URL,
which could, as an example, be connected to a chapter, you
know, to a chapter so I have a URL, you tap on the URL now my
graphene iOS, it opened up something I'd never seen before,
you'd open up this whole panel of all the different lightning
apps, I have that our ln URL compatible. And it said choose
one. And you know, zap wallet was was one Exodus, it had blue
wallet, bl w breeze. And so I chose breeze, it just pops it
also just get boom in an invoice. And you hit send. It's
that simple. So and but actually the example is a chat app. This
is why I bring it up. So for each each time you want to send
a chat message, you click the URL, and then you send that
message with you know, whatever required SATs, and then it shows
up in this running chat with people talking to each other by
sending sending it through through ln URL. And I think it's
that's all back end. Right. So if that's not completely
centralized on that chat app, I presume, but it's just
interesting was a very interesting interaction. That I
think we should look out for something somewhere down the
line, it might be handy.
So what did people say? I've heard people say that Ellen URL
is hacky? Is that because it requires like this little this
local soccer,
because all of this shit is hacky? What do you mean? Why is
this hacky? Okay, we just talked about TLV booster grams. That's
not hacky? No,
no, that's perfectly legit. Like, I think it's got something
to do with that you're running a local HTTP server on that you
run an HTTP server on localhost. And it's sort of like roquet
running and you're running a website on your node in order to
take this stuff and do
right. It's it's a lot. Yeah, a lot of extra stuff. Yeah. I just
thought it was interesting. Oops,
no, I guess you're down. Yeah.
Yeah, okay. No, my Lambo in the neck. The next thing Finally,
which I thought was also interesting was timestamps for
batching payments. And this is this is a good conversation to
have because everyone's looking at it from the from the
logistics of, of sanding with fees, etc, etc. And everyone's
very cognizant of the importance of by using some Well, the
perceived importance of using some of this for statistics and
seeing, you know, looking at listening habits, and I guess
we're all looking for a way to batch payments but not lose the
valuable time information as to when someone was listening to
something. Alright.
That's, that's part of that whole conversation of how much
room Do you have to put that in there? Because if you're
Yeah, I got you. That's how we came to it. Yeah. Because if you
do that, you know, more time for timestamping folds less less
space we have for the booster grant message.
It Well, it's not just that you still got this 1300 byte limit,
and you're gonna say, well, am I going to package 50 of these?
Oh, you gotta do that,
too. Right? Goodness. Well, it's
the it's the full structure.
Well, these are fun challenges to have I like is your cute a
booth? That's right. What are you doing? Oh, you want to?
Please boost us because we're helping you use the boost to
boost the boosters.
Yeah, that I mean, that's that I think that's what prompted this
whole discussion of your I didn't go outside protocol on
this. And, yeah, we're not ready for that. No, we're not ready to
go to even talk about that yet. You know, because it's like,
well, you want to ask if you want to talk about it, but then
you want to talk about it long enough to determine that is too
big of a date and thing, you know, put onto it later.
meetings or
what? But that's okay. I mean, that's really valuable. Everyone
had everyone said something, and we have all these different
ideas. And it's on deck, you know, it's like, everyone's in
everyone's brain. I dig it, you know, go away, we'll figure
stuff out. And always something always kind of comes out of the
bottom.
Leading the Leading the bleeding was last night. Yeah. Oh,
yeah, I was. Unfortunately, I was picking up my sister in law
at the airport, which is quite a drive for us now. So I missed
it. How was it? No,
it was great. Yeah, it was really a lot of fun. I came in
about 30 minutes late because of something with my children's
school. That knows really, really good. A lot of people a
lot of questions. I mean, how many
people do you think we're in?
15? All right. A lot of new faces that I've never seen
before. So
and Dave recorded this, I presume? Yeah. He
said he's going to edit it up this weekend. And then post it
is cool. Very cool. A lot of good, a lot of good questions. A
lot of people that were like, Hey, what is this? What about,
you know,
was it all new people and people who also were already using
value for value or what was your sense?
I think 90% of them were new. Perfect. Perfect. Gary, Gary
aren't and Caitlin, and Daniel J. Lewis. Were in there. And
Dave Jackson, of course, but I mean, most of the rest of them
and go Karen down. He was in there. But pretty much everybody
else was fresh faced. Cool.
Very cool. I'll put a link in the show notes. I'm so I'm so
happy that Dave's doing this. Fantastic Dave Jackson, man,
what a legend.
He's the perfect guy to do it too. Cuz it's like, you know,
he's just got that laid back approach to things. So I think
maybe we'll talk about some namespace stuff. Later on with
our guests who
might have some input since he's a real user. Yes, sir. I'm
extremely excited. Today we'll be using the RSS generator. It
failed on the last show. Which is the Curio Can I actually call
it the Curio blaster just so I can remember in my head, the
curios last. The Curio casters for receiving the Curio blasters
for sending. And I can't I can Yes, tm, I cannot wait to use
all the tags because that's, that's what's so cool. I mean, I
could even just start a test feed next. Anyone can do this,
you know it once this works. And I'd have a good feeling it'll
work today. You can basically just say, here's my feed. And
then you can import that. And then you add new new episodes,
fill out all the tags, and it spits out a full RSS feed with
all your previous entries and the new one with all the new
tags. And then you can put that as a separate feed for testing
or replace your current one.
So it's self holster crack is what it is self
hosted crack. Yes. And I have a feeling that, you know, once we
get this part working and Stephens motivated, you know, he
could easily tie this into Oh, certainly the blueberry API I
think. I think that's just ready to go. right the way word the
WordPress plugin does it,
as far as I know, you know, and I still have to, should be
remiss, because I haven't contacted. Gosh, I'm losing my
mind today. Mike from from blueberry. Right, right. Right.
Right. I haven't contacted Mike to see if that's actually the
case or not. But I'm really I think it is they tout their API
all the time. So if you if you can post it through WordPress,
you should be able to post it directly with some other
interface and we'll see why it wouldn't work.
It'd be great. Well, I'm just excited for us. Yeah, I'm
excited by this stuff. I love it.
I'm actually brought i'm i've got a whole new rig here.
Oh, what do you have?
I'm talking to you from Ubuntu 20 pawning, running my lightning
node running an umbral. So I'm talking to you, oh, my umbral
workstation here.
And you're using the your Scarlet interface on the on the
bison Evo four.
Okay, but it's plugged in your, in your boon to rig. Yeah, yeah,
the Mac. Mac is totally out of the picture now I'm on. Full
Ubuntu.
Welcome to freedom sun.
Yeah,
yes, it's working great. I mean, it doesn't sound bad, does it?
No, no, that's perfect. But just a boon to in general, just all
all of the Linux variants. I like mint and they won't laugh
at me. But it is so comfortable. You it's like Windows Mac
doesn't matter what you're using. This thing is just
everything's in the right place. It's all what you expected. It
gets out of the way.
It's fast. I haven't done desktop Linux in God, probably
seven or eight years. It's it works now. Yeah, I was able to
zoom in. I can run. Run. I can run every piece of software. I
need to run on this thing.
Yep. Yeah. And even if you have to run a Windows app wine has
improved a lot over the years as well.
My PHP storm. Mighty is working fine. I mean, like it's there's
nothing I haven't hit a single snag. Yeah. Always. just ran. My
lightning road is running on the same. That's the same box. love
that.
I love that. She did we have anything else you want to talk
about? I mean, I know you have a list. Anything that you want to
hit before we bring in our guest?
No, I don't think so. I mean, we we we should go out and bring
him in.
I think it's a good idea. Now we've been very excited about
having our next guest on. Mainly because I don't think we've ever
had anyone from the country of Africa on the show. We've moved
on to the continent continent, I'm sorry, yes, excuse me, the
continent. But also not from this country. And there was a
great blog post or medium post about him that Roy from breeze
wrote who is an outstanding writer. And he wrote this great
essay about our guests, and it's titled lightning in the wild.
It's the from the jump podcast, and we might as well just bring
him right in right now. Ladies and gentlemen, coming to you
from Namibia in Africa. We are very happy to welcome Nikolai
Oaken Chung Guerrero. Hey. Hello, hello, Africa. Can you
hear me?
Thanks for the correction on the on the continent and country.
I know God must hate it when people do that.
Not really. I enjoy correcting them because it's a learning
moment. You know what I mean? Sometimes you just need a
learning moment.
Well, I actually know quite a bit about Namibia, because I
thought we were interviewing you two weeks ago and so I did all
my preparations. I'm like, Oh, I know. All I know. And I and I'll
say right off the bat that Vin took I don't know how you guys
pronounce it when
you're very close. So we just say bento quinto but it's almost
the same. It's the translation is windy corner,
Quranic. Afrikaans makes breaking
bread praten. So you're using the Dutch the Dutch more than
the Africans perhaps zero Afrikaans. Let's just stick with
English. lot better for me to
nobody. Namibia is a super interesting country,
historically speaking. Correct. And, you know, it's, it's very,
it's Dutch, but also really German, I would say. Because the
Germans tried out their whole extermination business first
time around in Namibia did not mean that it wasn't the first
genocide everybody.
Correct. So like, they used us as the as the test subjects for
what they then did to the Jewish people. So so it was basically
during World War One. There was a whole, you know, that was a
time when Africa was being split up amongst the different
colonial powers you have. And it's like, yo, you get the
southwest and you get just south and you get north east. And you
get just around here. And they started. So once Germany lost
the war, and they went through the time of shame, and they had
to basically bring their entire army down to the size of, I
think it was the terminology was the police force of town. The
entire like, countries put like army was only allowed to be that
big. And they went through the depression and everything.
During that time. One of the things was they gave up Namibia,
to the UK. And then so basically was the thing of the Hey, South
Africa, you guys are supposed to just, you know, help these guys
transition in the meantime until they're ready for independence
and in South Africa was like, Whoa, free money. They were
already doing apartheid in South Africa. They were like, Oh, so
we get to extend this. Yeah, you're not even gonna check that
one out. And then yeah,
it's almost like that's what it was all about, right?
I mean, at the end of the days, it's profitable. Why else doing?
So now you were born and raised in Namibia been there all your
life?
Well, not all my life but born and raised. Yeah, Namibia,
Namibia is home. I studied, I finished off my honors degree in
South Africa. And then I did my masters in China. Oh, wow. Yeah,
I've traveled a bit where I could, I've been to the states
as well. When I was a child, like around the age of 1314. is
very, very interesting. Like, very interesting. I got stopped
at every every single airport I got searched, sir escapes me in
America, for
in America.
From when I landed at JFK all the way to go to North Carolina,
to go through back to rely up to two new york the whole time,
every airport, like laid on my arm was even like, what what is
it about this child that you get? Really? He's 14? Like,
I apologize for that experience. That sucks. Oh, it wasn't only
in America. It's happened to me. That's what I mean. Yeah, we
should be better than that. But you know, we're a bunch of
racists over here. Yeah, Correct. Correct.
Yeah, around the world. Everybody's always got away to
just yeah, make people feel a bit worse than they are feeling
at the time.
Well, the the podcast universe and the Bitcoin universe
completely supersedes all of that. And this is this is
obviously a great example of it and and I was gonna say that
when to correct that San Antonio, Texas, which is just
down the road for me and went to our sister, sister, sister
cities for some reason. So I feel I feel closer to you for
that reason.
Oh, I'm already I'm already gonna check that out. I might
just fly down
to San Antonio beers on me. Well hang out. So don't say that.
Namibians drink, bro, we could win. Okay, all right. Well,
that's why we're Sister cities. That makes sense. So how did you
get into podcasting and you know, we're very excited because
you're using value for value, but you had a whole path that I
loved reading about, and it would be great for you to just
tell us kind of how you got into podcasting, and then
subsequently value for value and what your experiences have been.
Well, firstly, thanks for having me on, guys. Like, I have to say
what you guys have created and what you guys have done. I don't
think you guys totally understand, like the gravity of
how disruptive This is, like, fully, I mean, you're talking to
somebody that's on another continent. That is what is like
2.7 million people in my country, most towns are bigger
than that. And our landmass is like, it's not like we live in
like a luxenberg type of, you know, setups massive, like you
guys. You know, you could have some Hector's on here. So, so
what you guys have done is really reached, I think places
just, it's just, I need to tell you that before we start that
it's reached, some places you probably haven't thought it
would ever reach.
Well, and that's brilliant. And thank you very much for that.
But you know, it's really it's not Dave and Adam is not Dave
and Adam and Eric, it's, it's you know, we've got a whole
community that has just risen to the occasion. And, and everyone
is and then this is what I mean, it turns me on big time, man, I
get up in the morning. I'm excited. But I've never made no
money to job I've loved so much. So really, it's really
appreciate that so good. So and to hear it you're working for
you in Africa is just makes us feel super.
Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna get into just how much it works is
actually quite. Okay. So let's just start at the beginning. So
how I got into podcasting was I was fucking bored. Right? First
lockdown, everybody was bored. And I'm like, why am I sitting
here? I have recording equipment from like, I bought in Asia when
I was there, so that I could finish off the last black
walking albums. I was like, why don't I bring this life because
I'm already doing voiceovers and things to make money so I can
interview people that I know around the world. I've met a lot
of creatives while being a creative over these years. So
let's just talk to some of them. So I call the creative and also
a family member of mine out in Australia, and I was like, Hey,
man, would you mind us recording a conversation we have like
visually and like audio, I want to test some things out. And
he's like, do you know how to do any of this? I'm like, Fuck no,
but I'm gonna find out like School on YouTube. And it's
like, you know what you sound like you want to do this. So
like, go ahead. And we'd recorded the first episode and
edited it down everything just downloaded fuckin Final Cut goes
like this go Let's go. went ahead. I mean, I had free
internet, so why not free was paid for already but I mean, I
didn't have to like push out any more than I was already paying.
And I was like okay, let's just jump into this we don't need to
go to sleep, we can't even go out and party because
everybody's locked down so let's just learn. So learn learn how
to do that. And yeah next thing we add, you know a couple of
episodes called more people and they were all like wrote up oh
cuz I mean I've also as I said, I've gone through the stages of
getting to at least an MBA. So I know how to write a proposal at
least to say,
let me ask you a question. So what you are hosting with your
own your own internet server?
I'm still right now. Not my own internet server I'm running off
of, of course, like my SP but like, so I'm still paying for my
internet. Right? It's not my it's just off of a normal
router. Right now
I understand. And how do you create your RSS feed? do
you do that? Oh, so that, you know, I was for so long trying
to figure out that's why I was loving the conversation you guys
were having earlier? Because I was like, wait, what's going on
here? I can host my Yeah. Been waiting, like I've been waiting.
So I found I did a lot. I'm a research buff. So that's also
how I came to this entire Bitcoin space of value for
value. And everything was all through research and being like,
but there has to be a way and I need to find it out. So I was
like, Okay, how would I do this? And then I was like, everybody's
like, No, you should use anchor and I'm like, Wait, let me read
the terms and conditions. And I was like, what do you what do
they mean?
Let me ask, let me ask you a question.
As an as read all terms and conditions, as in Namibia, as in
me being
an A on the continent of Africa? Is it not so that most Africans
will say, it's free? Really? Because it's not there, you guys
know that this that free? Things free language
for you. Like, you might go with it and be like, let's see. Let's
see where it's gonna stop being free. Haha, let's let's see,
because it just doesn't make sense. Like, if, when the first
time I heard if it's free, you're the product. I was like,
duh.
And I guess what I'm saying is it to me, it feels like Africans
who have who've who understand financial, meddling and dress
and in all kinds of financial shit, that you would know that
me. There's always a bad outcome to something free. I mean,
that's it. We don't know that anymore. In our country. We're
so used to Oh, free two for one is great. And never think about
the downside.
Yeah, I think it's not even just in your country, I think more
than the financial aspect is just Africans have been taken
advantage of right? So many different ways that it's like,
bro, there's only so many ways that you can skin a cat. Yeah,
that I haven't seen before. Like, like, if you are, let's
put it this way, if you work at a place where your job is to
clean fish every day, all day? How many different ways do you
think you can show this person whose literal job it is to put
food on the table? To clean fish? Yeah, how to clean a fish,
right? Like we've seen so many different ways they know so many
techniques that they know is time wasting What? So they like
yeah, Africans will look at you and be like, I've seen this
hustle. I also know that you haven't fully pulled it off yet.
So I could reverse so you on this if you're not careful.
Let's play along and tell us not to play along. Also, you know,
sometimes works, sometimes it
doesn't. Excellent. So how are you data? Did you wind up
creating your RSS feed?
So yeah, so after I read the terms and conditions of anchor
and realize that they were actually owned by Spotify, and
that Spotify literally holds all ownership of once you put it up
to them? They can they can go ahead and cut it up and you'll
never see a dime without the user. So I was like we you just
told me that you got to do this. No, I'm not doing that. So then
I found red circle. And I was like, Wow, you guys are just
gonna allow me like for free. And give me statistics on like,
what? Okay, cool. Let's let's test this out. Until today. red
circle has led me down once. I haven't had to pay a dime to use
red circle. I've spoken with them on integrations of our
features, which I feel is really a thing that only works in most
blockchain and podcasting spaces where you don't have to go
through 10 different email spaces to get to one person to
change something. I love it. Yes. And that's how I got to
hosting it the first time and then I learned about how to
integrate it with podcast index. After a long time it was like
first we got to springs and then springs chat. I was like
Something's wrong.
Let's go back for a second. So, okay, you started because you
started podcasting. And we were looking for a business model
right then and there you considered advertising? Have you
considered other ways of making money? Did you even want it? was
it was it about making money? What was it just because you
were bored and just see where it goes?
Well, you see, in the beginning, it definitely wasn't about
making money. I was literally just bought one or two, like,
literally, it was about exposing conversations that creatives
have that I know creatives have all the time as a creative, but
there's, there's no camera, the fans don't get that interaction.
But I know that people learn from these interactions I've
learned from them, right? So I'm like, how do I get this in front
of the people that needed the most? Because people are always
like, Oh, you know, that guy's so lucky to become that artist
or she, she did this. And then you know, like, I wonder how
they enter. I'm like, Okay, let me show you how they got there.
Let me show you the struggles from the voice, not from me
writing down what they told me, I'm gonna put them in front of
you. I'm going to ask them the questions in a setting where
they don't have to lie. They don't have to censor themselves
in the way that they're going to deliver the story. They're going
to enjoy telling you the story. And you're going to feel the
authenticity, because it's on a podcast, and it's not on radio.
What is it? There's nobody to censor? What is the media
landscape like in an Emmy bfgf state run television and radio?
Well, yeah, but we also have independence. They are
independence of both. But at the same time, personal radio
reaches the most. But again, it's like any other type of
media. What is the media saying? Whether it's state run, or
whether it's privately owned, the narrative is still held by a
central authority that decides what they want to tell you
correct? Whether it's all the truth or partially the truth.
You know, and that's again, another reason why we're, we're
here with Bitcoin and blockchain, it's to make sure
that like the future doesn't look like the best.
Yeah, yeah. Let me let me ask you something about podcasting
in Namibia, as far I mean, how much consumption of podcasting
is there, and help? For those who do listen to podcasts? What
app are they primarily using? Because some, some countries are
heavily dominated by Spotify and others are, you know, just all
over the map?
Okay, yeah, no, so um, so what? So what happens is that there
was a small like, about two, three years ago, there was a
before COVID Expo two years before COVID, there was a small
movement of podcasts really, really great podcast, but juicy.
Also, the thing is, how do you monetize? So a lot of them
disappeared, most of them disappeared. And there was
another one that happened during COVID. Of course, because people
were at home, people had equipment, they had different
ways to want to express themselves. So that really
pushed the podcasting movement forward a lot. And for me, it's
always about trying to introduce a new medium where it wasn't
before if the people hold power. And that's what podcasting for
me is because there's no rules yet. So the creators literally
can say, this is what we're going to do, this is what we're
not going to do. And because it's like that here, a lot of it
became very authentic. It wasn't like, Let's chase, what Joe
Budden is doing, or Let's chase what Joe Rogan is doing. It was,
uh, let's see how it's gonna work for Namibia with Namibian
topics, try to move it right. And in that, I think it's like
literally out we have a streaming service. It's called
danu. Africa. But it works for not just Namibia, it's to help
expose the movie and talent to the rest of Africa. At the same
time, we're putting African talent also on there for
Namibians to stream. So they now put up podcasting. I was the
first podcast that they put up as well, that has now pushed
podcasting and more of that streaming is a lot more coming
of them into the sphere of where it was just dominated by music.
What is the Yeah, we always hear a lot about the bandwidth costs
in in other countries, for people, you know, using some and
I presume that all you most are using Android smartphones. But I
don't know. I mean, what is your typical phone contract? Like? I
mean, how much better how much data can you get? I mean, is
that an issue?
Well, that is a great question. I'm not gonna lie to you. And
that is a great because you'll be amazed by the answer. So
like, South Africa has the worst right next to us. So Africa is
probably the worst rates in Africa. In my opinion, I don't
know about the red but like, so Africa has really shitty rates
for data. Namibia, on the other hand, when you look at it, like,
okay, there's different parts of this. So let's just talk about
the data first. So we don't most of us don't use contracts. As
like, I don't have a contract phone. You buy the phone and
then you use a pay as you go because we have something called
it's basically like a weekly contract that you can pay as you
go contract that you can subscribe to every week. It's
called soup, like one of the aware packages. So you get you
you sign up on a package and you say, Okay, I want so much data,
I want so many minutes. I want, you know, so many SMS is. And
that's it for seven days. You get that and then you renew
after seven days. So that's like 15 Namibian dollars 50 Rand is
about, wow, we should change this into sets. Now cheap
compared to what you guys would pay for a contract again, you
guys get upgrades with your contracts. And then with your
phones to your trade ends, which also doesn't work like that. But
at the same time, what we pay for like, let's say, three
gigabytes of data, right, just for my mobile phone. Yeah, okay,
look, I'm just gonna tell you what it is right now. So I pay
for mine. That's three US dollars every week.
Oh, wow. That is so
that's, that's what I use that for is three gigabytes of data.
I use it for about 500 SMS is and about 90 to 120 minutes with
over a minute. And
whose is this Telecom, the media are there another.
So that's MTC Namibia telecom actually has the best while when
they work. The data package gives you like way more
hooked up to Chinese crap, or is China not figured out Namibia
yet?
No. So you see, like, the relationship between China and a
movie is also a very unique one. Yes. It's also it's also it's
contentious between the people itself, but also very
respectful. It's very weird. It's very weird so that they
don't, they don't interfere where you don't allow them to
interfere. And I've always known as like, again, I did my masters
in China, and I saw it there first. And it's like, they're
not there to take advantage that you're not willing to give up.
If you're willing to sell out. They have the money. I mean, is
it really them taking advantage of you selling to them. And this
is also another aspect of the conversation. It's not to say
that they aren't like Chinese companies that you're taking mad
advantage, like, but that's that's literally every
capitalistic system out here. This is why we're trying to make
a buck creating, like economy exists everywhere, so that we
don't have to deal with this bullshit from anybody. And this
is the freedom that podcasting 2.0 showed me was possible, not
because I read it somewhere. But because I could literally build
a node with my hands. Never ever put anything technical together
in my life. But I built it. And I'm sitting there and I'm like,
Oh, shit, something's wrong. Okay, let's go into play. Oh,
okay, I forgot to do this. But all right, let's go back in
turn, okay, this took in total half an hour. And I even forgot
the fan, which I bought the next day. But I was like, Well, I can
put the fan on now. Because this thing is downloading. And I'm
not stopping this. I waited and then after you already synced,
very cool. Now we've got this. Okay, so BTC pay server I want
to get to but this podcasting 2.0 thing is very interesting in
other golf. Once I got in there, I was like, Alright, guys.
So how did you? I know you were searching around and researching
how did how did you bump up against podcasting?
So basically, what I did was I released season one from the
jump, right? I got all of the data I could because again, you
know, from my master's research, I know how to present data. And
I'm like, Okay, cool. Let's get all the data of everybody that's
listening, how long they all have it from all of the
services, put it into a proposal, go to corporates and
be like, Hey, guys, this is I can show you why you should
invest in this pod. Why this is the way to get data out and
like, this is the way for the for the future generations to
look at you like somebody that's actually coming up and paying
attention. They were like, No, no, they just like this. So I
think they saw like, they were just like, okay, so I met you
and they looked at the quality of what I was, I don't know what
the problem was like, I didn't even give them pricing and they
were just like, no. Cool. Let's find another way because I'm not
gonna stop doing what I'm doing just because I can't make money
from begging corporates. And then I was like, What is this
value for value thing? Wow. I was like, wait a minute, so I
just need to know. Mm hmm. Alright, and then this is what
we do. Oh, we already have the RSS feed right here. Okay. Oh,
oh, that's this is it. And I was like, This is too easy. I fucked
something up. No way. That like, I just had to click like five,
six buttons, pulling a little bit here. And then all of a
sudden, like, this is gonna be a next thing. I knew I started
receiving sets. And I was like, This is stupid. What's the
coverage?
Like, but what's the coverage of people who do Bitcoin in
Namibia? Like I saw a thing that said that I think Bitcoin in
Africa as a whole had grown like 800% last year, but is that is
that hold for maybe is there a lot is there a lot of Bitcoin in
the movie already? It's not a lie. I'll tell
you this, right. There's the people keep it a secret here.
Everybody like even even before like, but I had to put it You
know, you have to also, again, it's one node. So it's like you
can make another one. It's not like you can only have one. So
as like this one, we can talk a bit and make sure that people
understand how to use it by being in the case study, right?
So then I found out the more I spoke about Bitcoin, the more
people came out the woodwork that we're like a buddy. Are you
trading? Because like, I want to know because like, my my trading
strategies, I'm like, well, what's going on over you, bro?
Last time I saw you you owned like a gambling houses like
Look, man times move, you know, technology? What are what I'm
not okay, cool. And then another person approaches me like, you
know, I didn't know that anybody else knew. But I bought 0.5
Bitcoin when it was at like, 2000. Why are you telling me
this road. But I started realizing like people are mining
people, but nobody's talking about it. Why? Because they
don't want other people to know what the fuck they're doing. And
I'm like, Guys, the point of it is we need to talk about it. So
that other people don't feel like this is a lie. Because you
know, it's true. And the more that people adopt it, the better
it is. For all of us. This is not something you can buy all of
you don't have enough money. So just stop that dream. Like, by
sharing the knowledge, you free so many people that you
literally free yourself. It's the craziest paradox now
feels the same for us, I would say,
yeah. And if you compare that to something like Venice, like,
excuse me, El Salvador, where, you know, you're seeing a little
bit of protest right now about the Bitcoin laws. But I think
some of that could have, if you look at it, like, if you're open
about it, if there's no secrecy around it, then you see that
there's actually a lot more involvement and a lot more
participation than there is rather than coming in and doing
it sort of live from the top down and applying it to the
country, you can see that it's more organic, and the country
itself is choosing to do that.
Correct. I mean, look, let's be honest, guys, the best way for
Bitcoin to be adopted by any mess, you know, country,
continent, whatever is for it not to be seen as something that
the lead to, yeah, it needs to be seen that every person, the
everyday person on the street, can use this saving this, do
whatever they want with this, the same way that the
millionaire cat or the billionaire cat, that's the only
way that this works, if it gets seen as something that only a
few hold the knowledge of, and only they can use, it will
always be seen as a scam. Because for the everyday person,
they're like, but I already have this that I can use, and nobody
wants to show me that one. So it must be a lie, or something
that's above my knowledge. And that's that's why education in
the space is so great. That's why I love plevna it's just a
bunch of people throwing knowledge at you every day,
when it comes to value for value, which is, you know, kind
of the the core of the whole idea of which, you know, the
lightning streaming payments are the real world implementation of
that the the concept that we've been building for for a long
time. It's a it's a weird hurdle for most, most Westerners in
general, when you so they say how do you make money? Well, I
asked people to send me whatever they think the ship was worth.
How is that perceived in? in Namibia, the value for value
transaction and pricing mechanisms are not really
saying, hey, I want this much and you don't get it if you
don't pay me.
Okay, so we're still very much at the stage of educating people
more on how that really works. But I'll tell you this, it's a
lot more. It's way easier here. And the reason is, because
there's already been a value for value. Most most artists in
Namibia don't have agents. So it's already, I'm selling you my
CD out of my backpack. Out of the Budo my car, I'm selling you
the shoes that I made, or the jewelry that I'm creating you
picking up from my house, it's a direct thing that's already been
happening and has always happened. Because, again, like
why am I making this go through the bank where I'm paying bank
charges, right? Right drawers for holding fees, then, you
know, this is a whole lot of different things that happened
when I already don't have money like that, when you can just pay
me right now. So it's not difficult to jump to understand
where the value for value is. This is why I want to use the
creatively because creatives are the ones that understand the
easiest, paid back door all the time. Hey, man, listen, you
know, we didn't make so much at the door today. So we can only
pay you in a bottle of Hennessy. Is that all right? And it's
like, what else am I gonna say? No, we're not drink. I'm not
gonna get money. So you already understand that somebody is
taking advantage for you, but they'll give you something of
value that you might value. You can still sell that bottle of
Hennessy if you don't drink, right. But at the end of the
day, you there's a value transfer. That might be
improper. It's not it's not equal. But it's there. So you
understand the concept. Now I tell you that you can get this
value transferring a currency and acid whichever way you want
to see it that is appreciating in value, I can pay you 200.
Today, it can be worth 500. Tomorrow. Yeah, it can also be
with 100 tomorrow, but the next day, it can be worth 700. In
this, all you got to decide is do do you value the asset that
you now hold? Because you want to learn more of why it's able
to do this? Or do you want to transfer it back into something
that you're going to use and be broken a couple of because you
can, you can always ask them another 200 bucks, right. But
now you're holding something that keeps showing you value
movements, while you Oh man, man, my mind is just moving so
fast.
This came up on the leading the bleeding last night, when we
were talking about just we get into the idea of of people
putting their value blog in their podcast, but not
necessarily advertising it. So let's just say they are they're
already making lots of money on their podcast, and they're
afraid of confusing their audience with Bitcoin or
whatever. And you know, the the idea is that you can, you can
put value for value into your podcast, with with streaming
satoshis. And you can have that in the people that know it. As
the movement grows, we'll find it. And then what you're doing
is you're just adding to your ex, you're adding to your
income. And it's almost like I thought about this this morning.
It's kind of like your existing monetization. And maybe that's
your paycheck. And streaming value for value is your
retirement fund. And so you can have sort of everybody says,
multiple streams of income is always the best. So if you put
all your eggs in any one basket, you probably don't want to put
them all in Bitcoin either. So you know, even though you're a
bit, you know, we're Bitcoin believers necessarily. Having
multiple, having multiple avenues in order to monetize is
always going to be, you know, preferable. Sure. Yeah.
That's a brilliant point. Right. So like, for myself, I was
always thinking about the altcoins at the beginning, was
like, I mean, this is all make sense, right? And more and the
more I read, I was like, This, things don't make sense. But,
but what I did learn was that, you know, let's say, okay, you
buy your Bitcoin, you put some in cold storage, you put some on
your node, you know, and then you leave some money exchange.
And with that you leave on the exchange, take some of it, get a
little bit of interest in out coins, trade those alt coins, do
your exits, try and see you know, get a little bit of day
rush. What but do it with the interest you get on your
Bitcoin? Don't sell your Bitcoin for altcoins and then hope to
make a fortune and then when you lose that and also don't have
Bitcoin or you just crying or rather use because for me, I'm
like, we just as I'm like, Guys, you can literally make free
money. With interest, that doesn't matter. You can still
take your Bitcoin off, go put it away, and then just like I have
no Bitcoin on exchanges, I do have all coins. And it's fun to
see, like every now and then when you can pump things and
everybody thinks that they know and you're like, yeah, doesn't
really matter, bro. Like this is gambling, gambling, what else
but the rest of the holding and like seeing how over time, it
literally in value. It's so mind blowing, and enabling something
grow larger.
And maybe it's using Bitcoin in day to day commerce and
transaction.
So this is what I'll tell you guys, right. So with exchanges
around the globe, the minimum that you can buy is 300.
Namibian around the same equivalency the Namibian dollar
in the South African Rand. So one, two, so the money is 300.
Right. So all exchanges have a minimum. So there was a there's
a company in Namibia, the first episode of season two of my
podcast is with the CEO of the company becoming four. So it he
owns land defer.com, right, or runs land defer, which is
basically an onboarding. They don't they're not noncustodial
or all long, they just a way that you can buy through them.
And they are compliant as a company with the Central Bank of
Namibia. So they do all the risk for you of like that. And then
like us though, it's so crazy so useful when you buy your Bitcoin
from them. They ask you they send you in the like, which
which one do you want to use to receive it and that's where it
gets sent. So they upgraded recently and incorporated the
lightning network. Ah,
now you can do
that. is so crazy guys. I can buy five Namibian dollars. Let
me tell you how much in your mind nothing in your money but
Oculus five Namibian dollars is 33 cents in your monitoring for
magic number. I can buy that right in Bitcoin. I can even buy
one Namibian dollar bananas. This is five Namibian dollars
right through them. But now what I do is I add them as as a
beneficiary on my bank account, and I pay them like you pay any
other beneficiary and then it goes onto a actual Fiat wallet
on the site and then whenever it so basically if Bitcoin takes a
dump, I can decide right then I want to buy only this much and
go to this wallet through lightning and only pay this
little fee. Right and we go. But that sounds
very similar to stripe.
Yeah, well, it sounds like we don't, again, we don't have,
this is what they were trying to do. But they don't only do it
for Namibia, they're trying to move it out to the rest of
Africa as well, step by step, but this is this is the part
that really gets you even further right. So even when you
want to sell your Bitcoin, you can do it right there and the
money will go to that wallet and you can move it back to your
bank account or keep it on day two, then reuse at a different
time. So you could literally trade your account, if you know
when to buy and sell those dubs with what you have just on that
account. But even more you could dollar cost average it because
in the movie we have this thing where if you let's say us you
swipe your bank, your f&b bank account right our bank card to
fill up for gas and little percentage goes into what's
called a savings pocket it's like a small thing that they put
on your side for you it's like the sense that get rounded up
right those go into a small wallet that you can oh so you
get paid out that every month but you can now buy bitcoin in
that without having to think about like oh I have to budget
for like more dollar cost average purchases right so nice
but people don't actually exchange Bitcoin lightning or
otherwise between each other for payments you're still doing I
mean
currently we have is there's there's people I mean, I accept
Bitcoin payments I sold my my equipment my some of my
recording equipment to produce lightning. I know guys that do
woodwork. Very nice pieces that they also accept but when when
payments come even for my voice of I know I know a lot I know
people that get paid literally the day to day jobs. They get
paid in Bitcoin. It's not that it's not it's not existed. It's
just not well known. Yeah, it's not well used. It's more like
subculture still kind of to them. It's like you know, when
you can you can still walk and be like, Hey, I just need like a
tomato in your SEO is the cash like, I don't need the rest of
it. Right. So But with that, it allows for the growth of Bitcoin
organically because when I was in China, I could walk around
the street and just be like with my phone no money in hand and be
like, amen. I want to get a beer or a packet of cigarettes and I
could just scan a QR code and I could pay it right yeah, this is
this is that on a global scale? Because now let's let's let's do
a quick one. You you coming to Namibia. Now you have to change
exchange your money from US dollars or wherever? Where are
you guys? Actually I don't even know.
Texas, Texas,
Texas and Alabama. Okay, there we go. So you're gonna have to
change your US dollars once you get here to Namibian dollars
right and then you're gonna use that when you want to go home
you're gonna start having a million dollars over and you
like there's no point in exchanging this back or taking
with me like what the fuck is this now? But when you come here
in Bitcoin you stay in bed. You stay in bed? Let's say you can
do your you can do your shopping in Bitcoin. You can do your
paying for gas in Bitcoin at certain outlets, of course, you
can do your game driving Bitcoin, once that becomes the
norm because I'm still giving you money.
And so why not podcasting for 2.0? And the value for value
streaming is exactly that. Yes. An easy way for people to
understand the commerce. Do you see a lot of listeners loading
up apps and and streaming from Namibia?
Well, this is the thing. So I always thought like, how do I
actually track this the way I can with, you know, with
Spotify, or with an apple podcast? Because they tell me
Okay, this person because they've got all the job? You
know, all the tracking is there, right? We're now working on a
system where we're trying not to check each other that much. So
what I do see is more of the excitement, you know, in myself
and also for other people when I'm like guys, do you use my
phone pinging and it just says received so much Bitcoin receive
some? Because that's every minute with a telegram. But I've
set up through it. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, wait a minute, like,
this is possible. I set it up. I was like, let's see. And then I
got the routing ones. And I was like, wait a minute. I just use
I'm asleep. And I'm literally just a ping goes off. And I'm
like, I just made 682 satoshis. Your
routing? Oh, wow.
And then like later on, like so earlier today, before this, I
was on my way to a meeting and then like it just kept going
off. It's just 58 satoshis 58 resources, and it's every minute
because somebody is busy streaming. Yeah. And I'm like,
This is crazy.
You're literally stacking SAS and I agree this is a golden
opportunity for podcasters because the SATs you stack now,
as you say, I mean just today It's like real financial bank
analysts saying Bitcoin 180 this year, maybe over 200,000 you
know, and it doesn't really matter to me. For me personally
as a podcaster just seeing those payments come in regardless of
the amount it was just so I know that someone is enjoying what I
have created somewhere else in the world and that's just a
great feeling.
Thank you. Thank you. And that's that's literally and you can see
by minute it's like okay, maybe I fucked up around 145 I should
say yeah, that's when the payment stuff coming in. You
literally this valves thing for me is this is free guys. I'm not
paying a service. This you guys all create the ship for free
around the world. All of these coders, programmers, Shadow
coders, whatever you want to call them. They creating all
this stuff for free. It's just because they want it to exist a
powerful movement man. It's powerful. It's beyond powerful.
This is this is not even revolutionary. This is this is
like you know when they felt like the what if series that are
out right now the Marvel ones that give you fuck up the time
paradox and everything. This is what that is. Between is what if
Think about it, like, like you can literally as a creative in
Namibia, right now be paid in Bitcoin from somebody anywhere
in the world. Anyway, I literally got a payment the
other day, I put up a post where I said, Do you guys know all the
QR codes that are on my posters for the for the podcast? Are
lightning enabled and you can send me satoshis somebody sent
me like 10,000 sets and said Who am I? Where am I? What am I?
Nobody knows. This is the lightning network. That was the
note.
Fucking magic.
So you can get booster grams. Are you getting this?
Oh, no, I don't I don't know what the booster gram is yet. I
was trying to read so much this.
Hey, tell him about the booster. gram.
Yeah. Yeah, booster gram, you know. So with a lightning
message, you can embed data in there with it and arbitrary
data. And so with the booster grams, what we're doing is
putting in a certain structured message, and then anybody can
attach a message to it. So Brees is working on this right now, as
some of the other podcast apps already do it. So once Brees
puts this in, somebody will be able to go into the breeze app,
hit the boost button and it'll pop up a text box and they can
type your message in there with it with the boost. And then you
can pull it off your lightning node and see the message that
they sent you along with their sometimes you just
got it. Just receive 291 2091 says that was for me. Yeah, so
so it works because of breeze did the message come through?
Well, I'm seeing it off of my telegram. Right, but you don't
see it. I can't see the message. Right. But I'll get it. I'll get
it when I get into my note. I should be able to see it. But
you need to speak you need a special script, which Dave can
hook you up with? Are
you are you using? Please do are using satoshis stream? Are you
Oh yes. So note he has his own you have your own lightning.
Guys, I'm telling you, you guys need me go in and create to
build this thing.
We all went through the curve man, we all went
through it. But you know, what is the most brilliant curve of
All Time goes from there? I was like No, no, this isn't the end.
So then I started learning Python, like a month ago cuz I
was like, I need to know what the rest of this is because I
want to also do like command line. And then like when I
stopped I was like, This is the fucking greatest thing of my
life is gonna continue so we have we have
Python you can run you can run the booster grand scream? Yeah,
yeah. And they can extract
that I'm still learning I'm still learning as I'm always a
pleasure, always a pleasure slept for life.
So you know, we've along with podcasting 2.0 we've also built
in not just the value for value, but a lot of other features.
Have you been able to take advantage of any of these yet?
Have you have you? Have you seen any of the new Apple for
instance, breeze does chapters I don't know if you if you don't
think you're using those.
I'm not using chapters yet. So the thing with me is I like to
take things like step by step so I can I can, I can literally
explain it to somebody as the case study. Because so in two
weeks, I'm gonna start doing the onboarding events. I call them t
POC events, the pursuit of knowledge events. So basically
what these are Are edutainment events where bring creatives
like comics, live performers, and I get them their own QR
codes right now we're going to be using as buddy and l&t x bot,
so that they can literally have the QR codes out there to
receive tips from people at the event who will also be getting
as part of So, okay, so I'll let the cat out the bag a little
bit. So basically, when when you buy a ticket for the event, part
of that money comes back to you in Bitcoin in satoshis. So then
you can at the event, learn how to use it. That's literally face
it. So instead of me giving you a whole lecture about how the
technology works, and be like, Listen, go over there and go buy
yourself a beer. Good. You like that song? There's this QR code,
you worry about the money
just so these are pure Bitcoin onboarding events. And yeah, so
get what they're about, yeah, get people on board and show
them how to use a new podcast app.
And that's what again, so so that's how I've got breeze
involved. And I was like, you know, because I literally use
breeze myself to listen to podcasts. And not just to listen
to podcasts, but also you know, that the other apps that are
within it, and then how like I keep looking at podcasting, but
there's so much technology guys, it's like to get everything you
have to you have to break it up. And that's why I was like, okay,
with these podcasts over there with the onboarding events, I
need to make them at least three different ones so that people
take real knowledge from them and don't feel too overwhelmed.
Because if you if you if I push at you with podcasting and then
I throw the fact that this QR codes and then there's there's
you know, two bucks in this and people are like, wait a minute,
what, right but if I start at just the step of you when you
walk in hey, here's some Bitcoin Oh, what can I do from this as
you keep working? Hello We do our specials are we have this in
this that you can buy only in Bitcoin but the rest of the menu
you can buy it, it changes people's specifics from getting
in the door. You really like Hmm, maybe I should spend some
of this you know this the cheapest things on the menu
anyway, add on mind. And then later on, you're like, I
shouldn't have spent the Bitcoin let me find out how I can get
more and just keep it in you. You go in want to know more like
the rest of us.
There was a really nice line in the article that Roy wrote. And
he says nicolaes knowledge entrepreneur, and I really liked
that term. Is that something that Roy made up? Or do you? I
mean, I'm sure you are, but you consider yourself a knowledge is
that something you say knowledge entrepreneur?
Okay, not not exactly like that. I feel flattered it that
statement. I mean, Ray's a really brilliant, brilliant guy.
What he does with that company's amazing, but um, so So for me,
knowledge transfer has always been the greatest thing that can
happen in humanity. If I can teach you something that you can
then literally, but I can teach it to you in a way that you
really know it, not just kinda, but you understand that you can
teach this to somebody else. That's knowledge transfer. If I
can get to a point where I can give you the knowledge I have. I
don't, it's like the thing of You don't have to be king, like
you can kill a revolutionary, but you can never kill the idea
of revolution, right? So if you can't kill the idea, all you
need to do is properly convey it. Once that happens, they can
kill you. But the fact that that idea is out there in a way that
can be retaught means it's the same thing with Bitcoin, you can
take my note down, but you can't take down all of you. It's the
exact same thing with knowledge. If you spread it into one mind
that can move it to another mind. It's done. The revolution
will never die. Because it can't. It's impossible for it to
you'd have to literally extinguish the whole world
because you don't know who knows.
Well, they are trying. That's why they're trying to go to
other planets. This is a whole project podcasting. 2.0 the
board meeting, this podcast is all value for value. And that
means that just like Nikolai in Namibia, we also count on people
supporting us. Dave, you got your paper nearby to thank a few
people on this. When it comes to knowledge transfer, Nikolai. And
I just love to say this out to repeat it. This is how the value
for value system really the model really works is when
people are supporting you. You have a mechanism that allows
people to also feed back which in turn is also contributing to
the show itself with content, but it's this it's closing the
loop on on the value. So you know, it's like someone says i
thought you know, the show was worth x, I sent it in, and we're
gonna acknowledge that and that can be you know, can be also
include reading a message, but it's the acknowledgement of
receive. Thank you. And I would say people already message us a
lot in just the numerology of it, which is something I love.
The numerology is very, very powerful stuff. So what do we
have
Dave? Yeah, we've got to get two weeks worth of stuff here.
Buckle up.
Yeah, yeah, buckle up. We got started off, Marco arment gave
us $500
there is Mr. overcast, supporting his projects. Thank
you very much. I know he's working on those cloud chapters.
And I'm waiting for it. I'm excited to see him.
Thank you, Mark. Thank you. We also got Franco celerio gave us
$100, the developer of cast ematic Ah, and he said Dave, and
Adam and everybody involved in podcasting. 2.0 This would never
have happened without your work, passion and dedication. I'm
happy to announce cast emetic new beta supports value for
value payments, Bo matic.com. Slash beta. Thank you so much.
Okay, hold on a second. So I got to make a note to myself cast.
Matt is iOS only correct?
iOS only. And it's I've been playing with it for the last
couple of days. Really good app. Good, really, really good.
I'm gonna give that a plug on now Sunday's no agenda.
You know, I would say that anybody who uses these apps,
like a lot of the iOS app is apps, at least, they do have an
in app subscription, where you can support the developer and I
encourage everybody to do that too. Definitely. Because that
that gives them a good stable base of income. And usually it's
not too much. It's maybe 10 bucks a year or something.
And you know, whenever you whenever you like, something
you're listening to, you can always use a booster gram and
just boost the gram, the the app developer straight up. Yeah, it
doesn't doesn't have to go to everybody doesn't have to go to
the podcast. Or you can just say Hey, man, thanks for your great
app.
Great, thank you, Frank. Good drip Scott gave us $57.57
Thank you, Dr. Also, happy birthday guys. So thank you. And
Happy birthday to you as well. Double birthday. It is. It is
we're celebrating everything here today.
Thank you. Scott says Happy birthday. Adam. The world is a
better place with you in it go.
Very tiny. Very kind of you driving.
Dave Jackson gave us $50. And he said my second down payment on
my shirt. Yeah. gave his address. Yeah. You got a shirt
coming to you. Of course. Thank
you, Dave. And thank you for all you're doing with the school of
podcasting. And she was the new one Dave the leading the
bleeding. The bleeding. Yeah. Good. Good name. Leaving the
bleeding.
Yeah, Nicola, we got to get a shirt down to you. We need your
address, man. Oh, I will definitely send you guys that.
Yeah, email me your address and your shirt size. Oh, definitely.
Awesome. See, we got Shawn McCune did an automatic
subscription. monthly subscription. remonte dollars.
Yeah. All right. And he said I just set up a monthly $20 Pay
Pal. I'll switch it to crypto once I get all that figured out.
Right.
Thank you.
Seth goats gave us $25 one time donation. Thank you, sir. No,
no, there was no get a budget booster grams. Holy cow. We're
getting Oh
my goodness. And I got my first birthday booster Graham today.
He has the first one in the list. Yeah. So Nicola, this is
this is the way this works. Once you there, we have a script that
you can run on your node that will pull out these messages for
you. So any, any boosts that have text messages attached,
it'll show you the name, who they're from, how many sets it
was, what the timestamp was during the episode that they
boosted you at. And the message if there is one. So we got to
get you setting up on that.
I'm sending you my email address right now. You're gonna love me.
Wow. And the thing is, it's already working. We've already
you already have them sitting there. You just need the script
to get them off off of your node. Exactly. And oh, wow.
Yeah, so Dred Scott gave, he donated 57,057 boost booze. Dang
adolescent acid but birthday boost that's hard to say. Please
accept this booster gram of 57,057 SATs in honor of Adam's
birthday. Jingle says streamer. I don't know what jingle that
is.
Wait sat streamer,
stat sat streamer.
I don't know what that is. Let me see. streamer. I don't know
anything about that streamer. Find it wasn't
what Isn't that an Ellen Ellen bits instance like that
extension that they have, which is almost like the with with
Spotify when you stream whatever song The person you pay them
while they play whatever song It was. I think it was one of those
I don't know.
But dread, dude, Thank you man. That's it. I think that's a
topper.
You know what this proves we've got a few of these big, big
boosts. Uh huh. And it proves to me that we can work. It works.
Yeah, like you don't have to just boost 1000 SATs like the
the bigger stuff also gets routed properly as well
not sure does.
See? John's BRT jet john s BRT is who this is from? I'm not
sure how that know what it is. That says hello, again, from the
Auburn Citadel. Yeah, using fountain today. Great app.
50,000 steps. coming in.
Hold on a second, but just just just stop for a second. One year
ago, only 52 episodes of the show is just an idea. Dave Jones
was just an idea. Now there's 50,000 SATs coming through. Only
pinch me.
This is what I've been trying to tell you. Like, you guys
understand what you've achieved here. Like, it's only that they
told you who they were what they just did it with? No, no.
Yeah, we get that too. It's just the whole thing is just it's
mind boggling.
is crazy. I want to actually ask you guys a question. What? What
drove you guys? What drove you to be like, Hey, this is an
idea. Like, how did you come up with this?
Well, well, this Yeah, this is a little more. Okay. In a
nutshell.
It just in a nutshell. Yeah. Don't give me the whole of
course, no,
I just, I wouldn't want to bore you. I would be I would be a bad
host. Now, I'm just I always wanted to do a real project with
Dave Jones. And we've been working on stuff for 10 years.
And, and I really enjoyed working with him. Because, you
know, we've come up with some crazy ass idea. And then we go
implement it. And then you know, and we have all this like, okay,
maybe and it was always because we wanted to do it. It was it's
kind of esoteric shit. You know, it's like RSS feeds aggregators.
opml, outliners. You know, it's, it's not really a huge category
anywhere. And so whenever we had something, and people be like,
go, what, okay, they never would get it, the only thing we had
was the name freedom controller, which we thought was, you know,
it's kind of like, it's an oxymoron. It's a dichotomy. It's
all this, it twists your brain. And that's right, because no one
ever caught on to any of our ideas. But, um, for me,
personally, it wasn't until I understood I had made an error,
you know, a years ago with Steve Jobs, and I'd given him the
index and not that I giving him the the index we had at the
time, which is five or 6000 podcasts. Not that that was
wrong. But the error I made is, I forgot what that would mean.
And so I woke up one day after, you know, not being podcasting.
We're not really being involved in the community in the end, in
general. And I saw that Apple had a stronghold, and I smelled
things, you know, that were coming. And they did one deep
platforming of a number of like a number of podcast, which was
in it was actually in coordination with deep
platforming via Twitter and Facebook, and I saw that power
and like, Oh, no, no, we have to stop that. And at the same time,
I, you know, I don't even know how or why, but this lightning
network came into my field of view. And, and I said, Well, I
see how we can do streaming money and complete the value for
value loop. And that's what I would call Dave. So Dave, you
would have to answer from there.
Yeah, no, no. And my response to that was, yeah, cool. Let's do
it.
Pretty much. And that is literally most of the response
throughout this whole Bitcoin community that I've seen since
the beginning of when I got here was Oh, yeah. What do you want
to see what happened? give me give me a second. Let's do it.
Yeah. And then next thing you know it exists and you're like,
what the fuck just me.
I think the lightning Bitcoin community fits what me and Adam
will fit our ethos from the beginning because we, we were
always that way. We're like, think of an idea. Throw it out
there and just if it breaks fine if it works great. And what I
see that now is very much the spirit of the whole Bitcoin
community. Like what like I saw last night on telegram,
somebody, the guy at an boss said, Hey, we just put up a
leaderboard, where you can send us messages through your
lightning payments, and we'll post it on the leaderboard. And
whoever sends the most sad and bumps up bumps off the guy at
the top, no. Yes, liquids in. So and I told him I was like, Well,
what you should do here is you should take you should just make
a dummy podcast with one episode telling explaining people what,
how to use it and what's going on? And then have them boost
this. Yeah, like, he was like, Yeah, cool. Let's do that. I'll
do that right now. That's the kind of stuff that it's like,
you know, you love that. It's a little Hey, let's
do it and see what happens. But But you know, what we all forget
from time to time is like with all these little experiments
that we that come about, and then become real things like
this still routing payments that are happening, and people's
liquid instead of, because at the beginning, I was like, how
do we do this rebalancing, and how many days and I'm gonna have
to write scripts for this and, and then I realized, but if you
connect it to the right people, and they see you as also, you
know, the right person to be connected to, you will be able
to because of how things route, you'll be able to just overtime,
it will route properly. Yeah, if you're a good No, of course, if
you're able to keep your node in a state that you're supposed to.
But again, you get people that want to get rich, quick, don't
want to follow instructions, just leave things on default, or
whatever it is. And then that gems the network, but again,
this is an education thing. And this is why I like all these
groups that are floating around. There's so many on telegram, I
love telegram so many of these groups where it's people that
with information, just it's about sharing information for
people not to fuck up, let's be honest, is to make sure that
things work. Because that's the whole podcasting 2.0 and
introduction to lightning, and good coin, like right now like
with lightning, let's just use the lightning. Like I know, you
know, everything's still in beta, um, like, the entire
fucking world is in better mode for so long. Right? What is what
is what is a secure way that the banking system isn't in a secure
state. That's why we have all of this happening. So even that is
in beta mode, it's not done. So we're seeing that the lightning
network is in beta mode doesn't say anything. To me. What say
something to me is the fact that I can literally send in, I
created wallets for my niece's one, even 15 years old. they
each get a little percentage because of the split, dynamic.
All of these things. Again, free, free existing. All you got
to do is read how to implement that's it. That's beautiful.
It's crazy. I am on revolution
using that, quote, The whole world is in beta. Thank you very
much. You've given me a couple of good. Pick your ass over here
to San Antonio. We got to go drinkin for sure. I might not
leave any more booster grams. Dave. We got to finish up.
Oh, yeah, we got. Let's see. We got Stephen Bell gave us 22,193
sets. He says Happy birthday, Adam. Thank you were born. We're
all we all are. Let's see. We've got a This one's a this is a
dirty message from Peter 9000. SAS. And it's just a bunch of
it's a bunch of emoji that I can't describe to you.
that come through on my email.
I don't know. I hope I hope not. You would have been traumatized
by Chad Pharaoh gave us 1000 SATs. He says, I know I'm having
fun. Let's see who else we got. Rusty red shark isn't gave us 40
sets from fountain app. And he says this is all the SATs I had
on my app at the moment. All right. Thank you.
Well, that was the value you assigned to it. We'll take it
a drain the ball. The ball, he says okay, Martin Morrison. This
goes back to the to the last booster gram. He says he sent me
a message says I demand recognition for my donation with
the too long message. He says I sent 1% 11,111 satoshis in total
to everyone in the value blog. I think I wrote that I've now
assembled too much for so much furniture that IKEA is thinking
about opening up a branch and also look very much forward to
having a lot more time for podcasting. Again, I can't wait
to do more cutting edge work. Thank you, Martin. That's Martin
art been acknowledged.
Yeah, well Martin. Martin is the developer of pod friend and he's
in Denmark.
Oh yeah. You see like it and this is the this is the other
thing like the fact There are so many of the creators and and
collaborators are in every group chat that I'm in like the day by
day, you can just talk to them. The accessibility of people
within the space. Yeah, I mean, people will joke around every
now and then. But there's no, there's no pompous pricks, if
you're in your room for us, because everybody will humble
you very quickly. I mean, that's what I love about Bitcoin.
Nobody matters is what Bitcoin is what matters. And beyond
that, when people understood it, they were like, well, then let
me help you understand more of it. Right? Yeah. Right. Because
if the person next to me knows what I know, then I don't have
to worry. I don't have to be like, and this is, man, guys. I
don't even know how to explain it. But one question I did have
for you is with with all the work could only be called
fighting bullshit that floats around on Bitcoin as a topic
throughout America. How? How do you guys actually like? I mean,
there must be friends of yours that also just like I mean, come
on, you know, you read this, like, how do you guys balance it
out? Being also so within the innovative space of pushing it
forward.
You know, some of this came up last night and it always comes
up when you have something when you talk about Bitcoin, there's
always going to be people that don't did just talk it down. And
some of it sometimes it's misunderstanding and sometimes
they really do believe it's not they, they're opposed to it. So
but, you know, I think what we are at least what I've tried to
do is give people realistic information and realistic
advice. Like instead of saying instead of going in full bore
and saying, you know, Bitcoin full Bitcoin maximalism right
off the bat, you know, you you can Bitcoin fixes poverty. Yeah,
instead of saying stuff like that. You say, like, at least I
describe it by saying, Well, you know, Bitcoin is the only thing
that seems like, it seems like money is the only thing that
behaves like a like a money. And in that's why I think it's going
to be ultimately successful. And so when you I think when you
express things like that, at least from what I've seen, it's
easier to start that way. Yeah. And it makes people not think
that you're a wacko.
That ship has long left my harbor brother.
That could be been VMAs BMA si send us 5000 SATs. It says go
podcast. Thank you very much. linkin park rules. Send us 100
SATs, testing out the fountain app.
All right. Work first.
First booster gram as a monthly supporter. It's amazing to see
how far this has come since episode one congrats guys.
Boost. Oscar marry, and the developer of fountain USD
fountain is 7777 says nice nice. You really have invented
everything. It's a sack of sevens everybody. Yeah, you guys
guys are magicians. Mike. Mike Newman's in his 1003 SAS and he
says ISO booze. You got it. Ask him marry.
You crack me up, man. Like you guys are magicians. money out of
out of air.
Magical internet money. Yeah. That I can withdraw.
Yeah, that's right. You can get some free up fun coupons.
I was gonna Where's your Marisa 1000 SATs and he just says
fountain with some confetti. That's right,
the fountain app in the App Store everybody full on and
I just wanted to let you guys know, I think just as you were
going through the readings, I think I understand why the
adoption in Africa is so much more accelerated than anywhere
else in the world, is because Africans are used to using
Western Union and moneygram. Haha. You see, those fees are
fucking ridiculous. Guys, I've sent money with this. This is
stupid, like, compared to like the drill bit of cash that you
spend in routing or whatever fees you want to call fees, that
other shit where you have to go withdraw more money to come and
send the money that you just withdrew? Because you would like
5000 short, that's ridiculous. But when I can send everything
for a couple hundreds or not even, you understand So for most
evidences that way we will be who's lying and when they find
out nobody's laying I think that's when it clicks to be
like, Whoa, let's do this before they block it.
That's very interesting, because that's that makes most and
that's really my first usage of Bitcoin. Full on, was because
during the lockdowns, my daughter lost all income. And so
I need to send her money. And I just looked at the banking fees
and like it takes three days and then has to get approved on her
side. And five days later. Meanwhile, the kids like
scraping the bottom of the barrel. And I said, Well, what
can we do here? And there's this bit my money is a operation in
Europe. And they're tied into the European financial network.
And so you just get a Bitcoin address, I send it to her boom,
it goes right to her bank, you know, 10 minutes start to
finish, you know, and when I saw that, I'm like, Yeah, well, now
I understand part of the remittance problem. Yeah,
exactly. In a Western way. I mean, you know, Western whiteboy
problems, but yeah,
absolutely. But it's it, you see it as that, but it's a real day
to day problem for most people, yes. Literally live off of just
remittance from people sending their money from outside because
they can't get enough. So with myself, I mean, it was it was a
very different situation. My brother was in Dubai, and I had
to send him money, but with the banks, they were like, okay,
sir, you know, the fees are going to be I'm like, yo, let me
just let me withdraw this money. And then I'm gonna go pay it
over to God Bitcoin Namibia. Yeah, download this app, and I'm
gonna fuckin send you this final trader there and sell it to him.
And all of this is going to be done in one day. Yeah. And
that's what happened. We were like, okay, we're not using
Western Union again, if this is how it's gonna be, because the
amount of fees we're paying is another payment for anything
else. So that's when I also started looking into it. Why is
this? How can it be? Because in my mind, I mean, I have an MBA,
and I've never heard a shit like this. There are no feet almost
no feelings. Yes. Crazy. Yeah. But once you look at it, you're
like, Oh, they didn't want to do with that. Do you have?
Can you use PayPal in Namibia?
Oh, that's okay. So with PayPal, I'm gonna blow you guys's mind
just quick, fast. So PayPal, you can send me money via PayPal, I
can withdraw it.
What good is that?
So yeah, you can use it. But there's a third party app that
PayPal bought. Which I can then also give them my details. To
then through PayPal, pay them also another fee, and then get
some of my money
out brother.
I found this out because it's like another poet that I know.
And she's also an English teacher. And she's also a
psychologist. And she was doing online work. But she was like,
how can I get paid? And I was like, but when she's like, no,
but you know, they went up. I'm like, Listen, if you want to
just go past all of the trouble, just get them to send you to the
moon wallet, download moon and send you this money real quick.
And then I'll tell you how you can change it back into Namibian
dollars but if you don't want to go through all this other crap
and get charged how many other times they just get charged once
then it's a low fee. And the weekend is even lower because
the mempool empty. Yeah, but you get to that
knowledge. Yeah, so this culture of even sending a donation or
payment with a message doesn't really exist because the
infrastructure infrastructure is too expensive. Yeah,
Nicola, I just sent you 2112 how many how many of those that what
came through what was the fee? I sent you? 2112 What did you
actually go Okay, okay, we Okay, I think I got let me get into
that. I got 2091 2091
I don't want to take it took like 4% No, no less.
Yeah, no, that's that's
not even what am I talking about? even worth working out
now. It's not listening.
Guys like you know
wait Nikolai. Wait until we blow your mind because coming up
next, we're going to have per episode value block. So when
that happens, then I'll go back and I'll put your your node into
the split of that episode. And we're you know, so whatever,
we'll give you a third of what we have what we have after
everyone else is split over you guys. And so in perpetuity
anyone who listens to your episode you're going to get a
Bitcoin stream to you guys.
What does that tell you? magicians. Fucking magician. You
guys should call yourself Gandalf. Gandalf the white I'm
getting off the gray this guy's like I've been waiting for
something like this because this is also looking at as another
way of onboarding right? Yeah, me Oh, yeah. Like my like the
rest of my mind that the people that are interviewing or have on
my podcast like Hey, guys, well, you don't know about Bitcoin but
how about I split some with you? What do you mean? what I get for
this interview forever. You can get some huh? Yeah, why the fuck
would I say no to that? Nobody's gonna say no to that. Because in
their mind, you just said free money for something they already
did. Yeah. It's like why you prepay people, right I believe
if somebody's doing like a jewelry piece for you that of
course that you trust, but like, I believe pay the person up
front, so that they don't have any problem doing the job. Like
it's not a him thinking if he just paid me that I wouldn't
have had to worry about my water bill and, and and finish this.
Like, most of the time, I like to pay people upfront that I
trust with the jobs that I do, of course, like, not just giving
everybody money up front, I'm not crazy. But I've realized
that when you trust people in that way, they trust you back.
And the quality of the relationship then shows in the
artwork or whatever I
was totally agree, totally agree.
And that is value for value. This is why people understand it
at its core, because that's how life should be. And if I'm
valuable in your life, do not want to give some value to me.
So if I'm giving you knowledge with I'm entertaining you Why
wouldn't you want to give me the value that you want to give me
without somebody else taking a piece that none of us know
about? Because most of the times that somebody's taking a piece
he said we don't know what they're taking, like if you've
ever spoken to somebody in China, right? Most of them don't
know what what they pay in tax. Like today you could get let's
say 20,000 as your as your pay the next day or the next month
you only get 15,000 the rest was tax you don't know what to
happen in the difference. But that's what happened to tax. Now
we're saying you can know every aspect of that tax you know
where it's going. He trace it and you can say no, yeah,
you can say no. You can say I don't want to do
that when I'm gonna choose another route. It's gonna be
cheaper this way. I get I'm gonna get mobile money if I go
by this note.
Before we get some more we get Serbs creaser paid sir paid Pete
gave us sir Pete gave us 1000 SATs and he says go bike
podcasting. Is that a Dutch thing?
I must be yes. Yes. He's Dutch. So definitely
go bike podcasting. Funny thing. The one problem in the
Netherlands is acceptable, trustworthy and friendly wallet
that plays nice with the local Venmo variant. I love the new
apps. Cheers, sir. payplan new podcast
app calm. Thank you for paying. Yeah.
Thanks, guys. Oh, Tim k from LNP gave us 100 SATs. He says this
is test from the plebe phi. See, Nick gave us 500 SATs. And he
just said some some celebratory emojis. Very nice.
Thank you.
I think Nick, I think he's Oscar Mary's partner in crime. Oh,
fountain. Yeah, I think so. David mitas gave us 10,000 SATs
through fountain nap. Thank you, David. Thank you for your kind
words about our little shift. That is a good show.
Thank you for supporting the whole shebang.
Aaron is selinux gave us 1234 cents. He says if you could
throw anyone under a bus alive or dead, who would it be?
To throw anyone under the bus?
I don't want to do that either.
That's that's a section that's actually under on their podcast
that they do. throw you under the bus section. I got to think
about that one that's tough for me.
aerostatic I gave us 1000 SATs. And he just says booster grants.
All right. And then he gave us another 1000 sets and he says
set calm which I thought was brilliant. Calm Yeah,
it's a total SATCOM. That is a good one.
Yeah, put that one in the book down and see somebody who is
clearly anonymous because their name his name says gave us 9001
SAS. And it's Zig zig zag Zig zakka boost boost boost.
Wow.
Do you fch T is that German for boost?
Say it again.
Boost bu s ch t
not know. These are spells man spells. Yeah, somebody Yeah. Did
you turn into a frog? Do you turn to frog when you said that?
my monthly donors to finish that off is polar skinning gave us
$11.14 Charles current $5 Michael Goggin. $5 James
Sullivan $10 Christopher reamer $10 Jordan dunville $10 Duke
coats $6.66 Michael kimmerer $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Dred Scott
$15 Chandra Thank you. Leslie Martin $2 Gary Keller. $4.11
Pedro Goncalves $5 Aaron Renaud $5 droid works LLC gave us $20
Scott Jalbert $12 in Mark Graham $1
Holy moly, great list. Thank you all so much for that's a great
list. Yeah, well, yeah, it keeps everything Running Man keeps all
the servers running keeps the node funded. And by the way,
I'm, I keep checking, but I you know, I'm trying to do zero base
fee on the node for everybody. So if you see something
different pop up or whatever, let me know.
Do you have a channel open to us, Nicola? I'm about to look
for right now. Yeah,
we'll open up a nice channel to you. And you we should because
then we because we have a five, 5 million sat channel with LMP
so that'll help and LNP has a big channel to breeze so that
could help on some of the fees. You see why I love
this entire freaking thing? Yeah, is that amazing guys? Like
it's like, oh, no, don't worry. Like I'll hook you up. I'm
already there. Just Just let me give me your give me a note. And
yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's magic. But one thing I do want
to ask you guys is when are you going to create our
decentralized internet? And when I say internet I mean by like,
internet service provider.
Well decentralized Oh, you can do it. I know you can. Do you
guys here listen till tomorrow at least you know we'll come
back with a
demo I'll give you guys at least two years with all the other
crazy cat stuff but like seriously if you think about it
this is this is this is what we need Next we need a way for them
not to be able to shut down the internet because the current
internet if they decide no we don't want you to use it they
could shut it down and then we're all fucked. Yeah, but
globally but if if we can create a way that is this just ridic I
know that I know you guys got it Don't worry I believe in you
guys just know that I believe in you. And you got this
to take a little longer at podcasting 2.0 but we do we do
guarantee success eventually we'll get literally created this
it's only gonna take 500 billion sets and we can and will be in
good shape. Nicola will boost the grams. That's right.
Nicole, I want to thank you so much man for for joining us
today. Thank you for for preaching everything that you're
doing for for podcasting for Bitcoin and for Namibia for for
everybody. where's the best place to find you and, and the
from the jump podcast?
Well, firstly, thanks for having me, guys. I mean, this is this
is truly an honor to speak with you guys in such a candid
manner. I mean, who was really fun. You can find me as open,
that's okay. I N underscore one seven. So that's open underscore
17. everywhere, everywhere you search for me that's that's what
I'm as. If you want to get my original government name, you
can find that through just searching for Oakland underscore
17 as well. Brees is where I look, I normally push everybody
to but I also if you go on my link tree is also as in Oakland
underscore 17 or from the jump then you will find me under the
podcast index as well. And red circle. So what I've done is I'm
literally trying to scale back from people finding me
everywhere else. Slowly but surely, you will still find my
podcast on Dan Lou Africa, which is the the Namibian streaming
service to the world. And hopefully they will also start
after some conversations incorporating the lightning
network because that is the future if if you don't if you
don't what do they say if you don't adapt today?
That's right. That's right.
And many things have died. That is true. So guys, Oh, this one
little thing is very weird to throw in at the end. But um, so
you know, in Namibia, we actually get taxed for our
ATM, right? Oh, for our credit. So yeah, in it like 15% is
pretty high. Yeah. So
you you pay value at a tax on your area, as well. This is the
way that they tax people that don't pay tax.
Basically, yeah. Everybody's talking about that in one of
your, in one of your episodes, you were saying that if you
bought like $10 worth of data, which you really got was like
$8.50,
not even the data. So just if you buy it just the airtime to
then transferring to data. So then again, you get another,
it's another it's another thing, but at the same time, our fees
are a lot less than other people. But again, if you just
think about the concept of how do we tax the untestable that we
know don't have bank accounts. Let's tax the good you know, I'm
saying we need a new internet. We need new, new everything I
have.
So then I have kind of one final question because whenever
throughout this conversation, probably a lot of conversations
that happen in the western Part of the world you know all of it
was willing to be beaten and maybe a sucks for this and that
and that and that. Tell me something that's really great
about Namibia and what is really fantastic so so this is the
thing all those things I've mentioned are so miniscule in
how beautiful my country is that's that's just this is why
people like Angelina Jolie they bought houses here right and you
know, loved your
children. I thought she was in the house there to buy kids.
Hey, that's another story, I don't know. But what I will say
is that landscapes a great people are always friendly. And
for all the things that are wrong, there's a lot of beauty
in being Namibian, and being here, I mean, pieces one thing
that it's great, but also the fact that the youth are becoming
more vocal in what they do and don't want and forcing those
that are not youth to have to look at it and have to
understand it and things like you know, Bitcoin and
podcasting. 2.0 is exactly the type of technologies that
disrupt and say, Look, if you don't see that this is what's
already happening. And you're back in where it was. Then we
need you to leave or make a plan and step up clear. And I think
things like this are just globally revolutionary. So with
Namibia, I will say come down. Oh, don't let anybody fool you.
Don't let anybody fool you. Firstly, it's going to be dirt
cheap for you guys with US dollars. I'm working on people
accepting Bitcoin so you don't have to work in Fiat and you
will never ever ever see a sunset like a Namibian one
guarantee. I'll even bet you some
sets on that. Wow. Okay, well, Texas likes to compete on our
sunset so you good sir. You
cannot sit in the desert and look into the ocean like I can.
Literally one road separates it one road right.
And there's no there's no COVID because COVID chose not to hit
oh
no we do. We have we have COVID algorithm was going down to i
was i was there on the decrease heavily.
Good.
Very good. Guys, it was really an honor to speak to you guys.
You guys are really awesome. I must say I must say I was a bit
you know, anxious at the beginning. I was like, you know,
these guys created this thing is crazy, man. What am I gonna see?
Just be yourself, man. Everything's great.
Archie is great talking to you. Great talk.
God. Same same guys. I'll send you that email. I really need
that script. I want to see how all this works moving forward.
It's lovely. You bet. Dave Have a good one.
Dave Yep, everything good.
Anything else we need? I'm good, man. I think I think that was a
fun talk. Man. That was awesome. Definitely.
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