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podcasting 2.0 for August
20 2021, Episode 51 preserve

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protect and extend. That's right
Batman. Hello everybody time

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once again for your weekly board
meeting of podcasting. 2.0.

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everything happening in podcasts
index.org podcast index dot

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social. I'm Adam curry in the
heart of Hill Country, Texas. In

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Alabama. He's a foenum in the
art of first in first out my

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friend on the other end, ladies
and gentlemen, Dave Jones.

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It's not listed being weak. It's
booster gram month. Yeah, it's

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off the chain. Man. There was a
stolen booster grams everywhere.

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We had some kind of breakthrough
man. Like, all of a sudden,

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podcasting got super fun. Yeah,
did. Like, wow, it works. One

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little loop. If you're brand new
to the board meeting, now we're

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talking about the booster grams,
which now allow you to send a

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payment with a message to the
podcaster of your choosing while

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listening. Or if you want to the
entire team. or to any of the

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individuals. You could even say
hey, great app and boost the app

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developer. And it's and they for
me, they come in on email, you

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set that up. I love I love that.
The first thing I look at in the

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morning. Look at it. Yeah, sure.
The booster grams is fantastic.

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Yeah, I'm wondering how people
are going to be like, what

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people are doing right now for
their own node. Like? And I'm

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wondering how people are getting
those booster grams off their

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node? Because we I mean, there's
a couple of scripts. I've got

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one out there and john cigi
written Python script that will

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pull stuff.

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Oh, I gotta put that in the show
notes. send that to me. And I'll

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put it in the show. Is that on
the GitHub?

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Yeah, it's called the extract to
V is the name of the repo. So

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but I don't know the name is
using it. So like, like Dave

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Jackson, for instance. I'm not I
don't think he can even get his

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booster grams out of there.

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Now he does have his he has his
own node, right?

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Yeah, he's got a voltage node.

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And we have to stop right here.
And just say, holy crap, Dave

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Jackson. History is rhyming
history is rhyming, like hip

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hop.

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And I've got clips. I've got
clips, the Dave,

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Dave Jackson shout now i i don't
remember exactly, because there

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was a lot of people and a lot of
things happening. But I believe

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Dave Jackson started the School
of podcasting pretty early on.

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And he and you know, it's he's
one of these people like we have

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so many in the podcasting. 2.0
beard combs community. You know,

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we got Christopher ice, who's,
you know, is a feed Finder. The

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sweetest tricolor the sweetest
tricolor? Exactly. We you know,

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but of course, all of our app
developers, we've got all these

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these specialized little things.
And when it comes to teaching

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people how to do it, I think
Dave was the Oji. From what I

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can remember, it was School of
podcasting, but he was he was,

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he was he's just that kind of
guy. And so for him to jump in

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and say, all right, what is it
called? What is leading the

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bleeding? Yeah, leading the
bleeding. The first

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great show name, though.

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Yeah. first episode. What is
this a Toshi? Yeah, that's

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fantastic.

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I think it's great. It's a good
show, Good show name. And he

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couldn't stop teaching, even in
that first episode. I mean, he

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was still like, he just was
going on Bitcoin, these just

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swerves into you know, a
podcaster you know, don't do

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this or your shows gonna suck.

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Well, but that was also it's so
reminiscent of podcasting. 1.0

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and, you know, we'd all be
swerving. We didn't know what we

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know. We knew but when Yeah, we
go all over the place. And we

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talked about at the time, and
distill comes back in any any

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scholastic work about
podcasting, but certainly the

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consultants in podcasting will
say, well, you have to be

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passionate. Yes, there was a lot
of you know, what to do. What

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wasn't, you know, how do you do
a show? There was a lot of that

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and in addition to you know,
hosting and all that stuff and

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comments is in many ways the
same but you know, with some

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added this added bits in here,
which is just fantastic.

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I want to talk about that for a
second because I'd dug into

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this. Let me see if I can find
this paper that Spotify

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released. I think Curlin is the
one that linked it at first.

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It's it's called Spotify
language for listener

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engagement. Oh, yes. I did see
the posting. I did not read it.

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Modeling Language usage and
listener engagement in podcast

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now. I will tell you, yeah. This
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I've read in a long time. It is
in credibly draw, but I read the

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entire thing for you.

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Oh, thank you. So I don't have
to beautiful. Yes, I did it for

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you. What did what did we learn
Dave Jones.

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I just had this feeling there
might be some interesting things

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in here. I'm on a hunch. And so
we learn to see here's, here's

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the here's the nitty gritty on
this thing. It's on page.

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Something. It says. So here's,
here's sort of their, like, fine

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findings, okay. It says was the
number one, the correlation

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between ads and engagement is
mixed. Large amounts of ads and

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transcripts are associated with
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bottom popular popularity, or
quarto, whatever that means.

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It's a quarter

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25 bottom 25%. Okay.

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All right. ads in descriptions,
on the other hand, do not hurt

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engagement on the whole and in
fact, are associated with higher

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engagement in the top quartile.
Yeah, yeah. So the couple of

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things on that adds in chapter
links. Hello. Makes make sense.

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Yeah. Totally. Especially for
PCI stuff, like per inquiry.

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Like, you know, where people say
use this code, you can say, just

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tap on the link because it
includes the code in the in the

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URL.

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Yeah, I mean, so if the ads and
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ABS ads in the audio do hurt.
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perfect. And then you get you
don't have to even you don't

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even have to do what were they
called coupon codes. Yeah,

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exactly. The link. Yeah. Just
you just tap it right there.

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Kaboom. Yep.

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So that was the first thing.

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Okay, solve. Okay. Okay, so
Spotify, how can we fix them

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next?

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This was this was like, This
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research project that somebody
get paid lots of money for. And

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we just saw this in about a
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Deloitte, Deloitte. These are
some hardcore computer science

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geeks. They use words that I had
to look up. Oh, goodness. The

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here okay. So here's, here's two
things that I thought were

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interesting. And I'll tell you
why. high engagement podcasts

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are less likely to contain
interjection and swearing. And

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high engagement, podcast
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relatively fast. Okay, so the
high engagement podcasters are

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less likely to contain
interjections wearing, what

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does, what does engagement mean?
engagement search surely means

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people buying something, what
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you know, what does hiring I
just this is my problem with the

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term

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the engagement is

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their definition in this paper,

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there is a definition Ah, and it
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highlighted, but I cannot find
it. So sorry, says many. Now, I

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don't know. If you can't tell me
Oh, here it is. Oh, no, no, no,

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that's it, I got that I got it.
The stream rate, the CR metric

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of engagement is stream rate,
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proportion of first time
listeners who listened for at

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least five minutes. That's
their, that's their definition

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of engagement. So it says where
a listeners decision to continue

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listening for as long as five
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influenced by the content,
therefore its engagement. Does

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that is that anything like what
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Well, so what I'm hearing them
say is if you if someone a new

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listener, so not a current
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listens for five minutes, then
engagement is a metric of uptake

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and growth of the podcast.

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That may Yeah, the not not

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of people hearing or of the
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of people engaging with the
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It's new people it does that
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I think so because they
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It says large amount. Large
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are associated with lower
engagement in all but the bottom

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popularity quarter. While this
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that many listeners skip ads in
the audio stream, the effect is

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strong enough to indicate the
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Even though surveys report that
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ads. I've always

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I'm glad we read that because
that means when I hear other

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podcasts or read about
engagement, I did not have that

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in mind as the definition so
it's, it's for growth of your

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podcast. How many people go like
oh, okay, I'm listening. You

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could you could do it.
Engagement per episode. I guess.

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That's okay, too. But, but all
right. So is this about this all

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very gross? Is this about
advertising? Or is it about

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growing your show? As as I've
heard said so often,

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by the way, do you want to know
how many lists? Do you want to

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know how many listeners we have?
How do you know? I don't I was

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just kidding.

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That's good. You don't know.
challenge any statistic you

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throw at me, Dave Jones? Well,

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I don't even have a number. I

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have no clue. Well, this. This
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A few weeks ago, you wrote a
blog post? Which What was it

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called?

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Oh, the blog. The it's time to
drop the egos and address the IP

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addresses? Yeah,

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yeah, exactly. And, and you
wrote this, and you sent to Tina

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did or Tina wash? we all looked
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great, that you held back for a
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And it was like there wasn't a
lot of uptake. But I believe it

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was a very great influence on
Brian Barletta has IP addresses

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story.

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Yeah, thanks. And we're in May.
So I worked with Dan Benjamin,

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for quite a few months, back and
forth, to come up with the

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framework for all that, in, you
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And we just kept refining it and
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Cridland gave us some critical
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So then we added one more one
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the hump. And then, and then we
published it. And so me and Dan

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are going to be on the sales
profitable show, I think next

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week, next Wednesday. Ah, good.
Good.

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Because, you know, I saw that
you had several solutions. And I

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think that we don't have to get
into into great depth about it.

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Because if you're gonna do that
with the unpopular, or that

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sounds profitable, I definitely
want you to do it there. But it

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seems like there's, you know, a
solution that you offered a

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technical solution that could be
implement implemented on the app

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side. And then there was the one
that I favor, of course, which

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is the actual listening
statistics, even if you're

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sending one set per minute or
even pretend, or per five

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minutes to assure continued
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Mm hmm. Yeah. See that? I mean,
that's clearly the one I prefer

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as well, because then you have,
then you have actual numbers,

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and they're protected stats are
protected the listener privacy,

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yeah, protected by the lightning
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we already have statistics, you
know, statistically, I think we

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have enough pod podcast apps and
people that we could draw some

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not maybe not for every podcast,
we should be able to draw some

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conclusions.

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Well, this goes back to the to
the whole thing that like this

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keeps coming back up over and
over again, when through

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throughout all of podcasting.
2.0 so far, is this notion that

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you can't the industry on the
whole and this is why I thought

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Barletta, his interview on pod
land was really good.

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Hold on. I have a clip. Ah,
yeah.

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I have a clip of his conclusion,
which is what kind of saddened

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me, but hopefully, you and I
considered one straight is when

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James asked him so what do you
Brian Barletta gonna do about

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the fact that Apple I think
that's the main issue here.

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Apple is going to start
obfuscating IP addresses. So

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tracking and the the ad a the
podcast ad industry will hurt it

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severely. This is pretty much
the only way that things can be

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tracked at all for some
accountability. And there's an

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entire industry built on it. And
so his answer just made me sad.

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So what are we going to do about
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What are you going to do about
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grew up a little bit in this
year. I think that it was very

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fun to yell about all these
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all these things, and try and
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have not men, the biggest fan of
the IAB. But the truth is that

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they are the only one organizing
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joined the tech lab, and I've
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I'm going to talk to every
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to reach out and continue to
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Spotify, Amazon, and I'm going
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just come to the table and build
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point of rad, you know, the
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I think that we need to look at
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we need to safeguard the base
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to acknowledge that as an
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around RSS we find such value in
the open nature of it. If IP

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address wants to go away, I
think every single person in

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podcasting would raise their
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not lose the metrics on the
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This is my invitation I will
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gladly play matchmaker and do
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everyone at the table to just
figure out how we do this, and

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maybe how we're the first
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abandon IP address ahead of the
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once again, wow, that will be
fascinating. Where can we read

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more of this, if we want to find
out more? Yes, sounds

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profitable.com. And you can find
the newsletter, you can run the

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podcast, you can find the
product deep dives, where I go

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over how all these different
amazing ad tech products work.

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just want to say that ad tech in

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podcasting is the entire
technology stack, because every

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aspect of it can help people
advertise. So this is really

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important advertising will
survive. These core metrics are

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critical to everybody just baked
in ads, to not even doing ads to

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doing Patreon or self funded or
to just do for fun. So this is

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critical to everybody. And I
hope everybody gets involved.

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So you're much closer to this
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make a couple remarks upfront.
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and that kind of energy, I want
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beneficial. podcasting, 2.0 is
not mutually exclusive, with

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advertising. And I think there's
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third thing, which is what I
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stop on the third thing. We've
known each other for a long

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time, Dave, and I always knew
that if we did something

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together that that took off, I
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And it's really a lot of fun. I
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you. Alright, so and three. This
is the approach that has

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resulted in nothing for over a
decade. The approach is you have

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an entire army of developers
podcasters listeners who can

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support any type of
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with and and these other guys,
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But this is you're a little more
eloquent in explaining that. Oh,

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and then I guess three a Apple
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Listening to that. I thought,
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And they just really don't they
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guess I'd push back a little bit
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push back. I guess I would say
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that's what we expect Brian to
do. Right? That's, that's where

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he's that's where? Oh, sure. Oh,
sure. Honestly, you know, he's

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living into and, and he's on
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things. And then we're on the
graph, Neo sort of the fat the

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the lower it near the
grassroots, then we need to give

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him ammunition when he goes into
battle. Yeah, yeah, that's

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exactly what I was thinking.
That's great. To see. That's the

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that's the better way to say
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example is Dave Jackson.
Launching a show about you know,

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about value for value. Also Evo.
Tara this week? Yep. Had a great

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episode. And I got a clip of of
Evo have an opinion. Is that the

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clip? Yeah. When it comes to
what app you prefer, you

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recommend people utilize to
enjoy your show. Just like that

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server above. I think you as a
podcaster should have an opinion

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on which app someone should use,
which are the best ones.

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here's your cue to boost you
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shit works people and send and
send Evo boost his podcast on

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pontifications broadcast is
valued at two. And and once we

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get that I saw you in the
GitHub, once we get the episode

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value blocks, we're going to be
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where I'm thinking about this is
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mean podcasting. 2.0 as a
movement is already pushing back

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on these things. And like we had
a long Twitter back and forth

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this week with with Mark ASCO
from CAD Dovey, and Tom Webster

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jumped in and it was this all
sparked by evos evos episode,

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which was fantastic. It was a
typical thing that we have been

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hearing for a while it was well,
you know, there's got to be some

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sort of critical mass and you've
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along and it was just this the
same sort of you know, you have

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to get you have to get momentum
in order or you have to get size

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before any of this will that
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toxic part of what we've what
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constant basis. And, I mean, I
understand what they're trying

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to get at. But the the, the game
has changed. Now there is now

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there's a group of people that
are inspired to see change

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happen. And once that, once that
becomes reality, once there are

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a group of people who are
inspired for for change, just

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change, it doesn't matter what
the change is, if they want to

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see things improve, and things
be different, and they want to

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see new things, once that
becomes there's a hunger for

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that, then that thing becomes a
life of its own. It takes on a

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life of its own and it can it
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that couldn't happen before when
there was nobody there to

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advocate for it.

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This is okay, so the analog
couple of things, what we have

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in 1.0, and what we're missing
in 2.0, probably is

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transmitters. We don't need no
stinking transmitters. It was

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against the established media.
Not like it was a fight or

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anything, but it was like, hey,
look at this. This is a backdoor

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we're going around him. So that
was that's kind of what that

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was. And the

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pirate radio type. Yes,

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exactly. And so now, it's a
different situation. Because

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the, you know, Apple is one of
the Oji pirates. But you know,

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the pirate is, you know, stopped
caring because there was no

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loot, you know, looking for the
map, and you know, where's the

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x, I can't I can't find the gold
doubloons. And so, you know,

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they don't care. Then Then came
another pirate, a true pirate,

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which is Spotify. And, and they
went ha, we don't see a map

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either, but ha give us your
doubloons podcasters. And, and

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we like well, you got to get all
the podcasters to have the

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doubloons but that's not how it
works. It's just it's it's the

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nature of a decentralized
system. It's it's, gosh. You

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know, it's like what a bit like
Max Keiser said, in Austin, you

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know, Bitcoin was designed to be
attacked, or assessed in a way

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was designed to be attacked.
It's a honey badger. It's like

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Ha. tumbles on. Yeah, there's no
advocacy group. There's no, I

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was once in the RSS board and I
got kicked off because I don't

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know I did. I missed 18,000
meetings that went to spam. You

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missed a meeting. Yeah. Oh,
yeah. Yeah. No, I don't really

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miss meetings. Actually. I'm
pretty good at that. But I don't

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do them anymore. Or at least I
try not to. So yeah, so we have

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such I can feel the network
effect. And it comes when you

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get embeddable players that are
showing chapters, and someone

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says, Oh, what is that again?

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What's the just cast?

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I think just cast? I think
that's what it is. Yeah, you see

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that? It's like, oh, wow, that's
kind of interesting. And, boy,

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you might as well pop this now.
Because with a little bit of

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luck, we're kind of early
development cycle. I think it

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was two shows ago, we were
talking I was again, at I was

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with Steven B was that three
shows ago? Two or three shows,

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don't ask me that. I was saying
hi, not my, my old thing if I

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really want to be able to create
a new episode, right in the app.

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And of course, all of a sudden
Steven says, okay, check this

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out.

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Yeah, yeah, that was a chat. He
takes that as a direct

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challenge.

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Yeah, well, so today, if all
goes well, if we're fortunate,

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and you're hearing this, it
doesn't necessarily mean that

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that you, if nothing else
changing you're hearing the

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show, then it probably worked.
And this is really cool, because

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you're looking at the Curio
caster and you know, there's an

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add episode, and you click on
the Add episode, and it copies

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over a whole bunch of the
metadata you already had. But

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it's all the tags, almost all
the tags, write down to the feed

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meta tags for funding, etc. And
it's got a nice little editor

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for show notes. And you. You
click you don't even click save,

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you just click go, you click
Export RSS, and it poops out an

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RSS file that doesn't even
change the generator meta tag,

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which is

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so i i got the link for this and
I couldn't get it to work and I

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think it was just a browser
problem.

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So you can't use it on mobile.
You can't use it on mobile.

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Okay, so I haven't seen I
haven't seen how it works. Like

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I don't know anything. You have
to tell me how it works because

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I haven't even used How can that

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be? You didn't get the link.

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Now I got the link but it
wouldn't work in my browser on

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desktop. I think you maybe it
was brave. Every time And brave.

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Every time I would click the
episode thing, it would just not

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do anything.

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So you didn't get an empty box?

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No, No, I didn't. But that may
have been. He may have been

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doing something. Yeah, that can
happen,

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especially with web apps. Yeah.
No, it's basically it's a

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template and he's got a drop
down on the right hand side. So

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your top things are, you have
title, episode number, show

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notes, URL for enclosure for the
mp3 file. To me, that part is

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still manual. But that's how I
do it now. Anyway, I just FTP it

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into our system, both the feed
the mp3 and the temporary SRT

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file that says transcript
processing come back soon,

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y'all.

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But by the way, I don't think
you said I think he said Steven

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Bannon don't make some people
may not understand that. He's

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the developer of Curio caster.
This is all happening in the

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Curio caster. Yes,

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yes, exactly. And so if you look
at the Curio caster app on the

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desktop, it's three panes. In
the middle one is the episode

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list. That's what this with this
link, you that doesn't work for

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you pops up, you click on new
episode, you get a blank box at

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the top. And as you're filling
stuff out on the in the right

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hand panel, which turns into
like a templatized. Like a

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WordPress type thing, you know,
right? And you filling out the

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basics, you see it appear in the
in the new episode in your

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podcast list. So you actually
can preview it right there in

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the app.

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Okay, so is it live yet? Or is
it still in the beta site?

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Oh, no, it's that link that I
gave you. So then once you do

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that, and it copies over all the
fields that you don't want to be

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typing in every single time. If
I think you can have it, copy

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everything over, just make a
duplicate and change whatever

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you want.

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Then this is like I say, I know
you well enough to know that

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you're salivate Dude,

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I'm choosing over here. This is
crazy. This is Yeah. And then

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you have a drop down for all the
different tags and everything.

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And after the show, I want to
sit with you and go through to

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make sure we've got all the all
that I'm doing all the tags,

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right, cuz I've never even used
any of these. Okay,

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yeah. So, okay, so what we need
now is, is a hosting company to

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allow for an API to express an
API that can handle this thing.

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435
00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:29,100
yeah, well, can we hook into the
like, would pod press does was

436
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:29,700
blueberry?

437
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Yes, I'm thinking. Blueberry? is
the one that pops to mind first,

438
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,290
because they seem to have the
infrastructure. But I'm thinking

439
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:44,940
that I mean, this makes sense.
It makes sense to me for other

440
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:49,350
hosts to build out an API for
this if they don't have one.

441
00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:52,620
Yep. Because then you can.
There's a new This feels like a

442
00:27:52,620 --> 00:27:57,990
new class of app where you're
gonna have me just just to be

443
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:59,910
clear, if people aren't
following what we're talking

444
00:27:59,910 --> 00:28:00,180
about.

445
00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:04,050
It's so clear to me, and I'm
like, Why don't people see my

446
00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:05,190
vision? Dammit.

447
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,369
The idea here is that you're,
you're creating your podcast

448
00:28:11,699 --> 00:28:15,749
feed in the same app that you're
consuming the feed with? Yeah.

449
00:28:15,959 --> 00:28:20,609
Which is kind of a crazy. Yeah,
idea. This is like your it's

450
00:28:20,609 --> 00:28:22,949
like going into you're going
into your podcast app to listen

451
00:28:22,949 --> 00:28:27,029
to podcasts. But then you go to
your podcast, and you miss an

452
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:31,409
episode episode. Yeah, Episode,
and then it gives you a feed. So

453
00:28:31,409 --> 00:28:32,669
I'm thinking that but it's

454
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:35,250
really it's really appropriate
on the desktop. That's where it

455
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:38,850
really comes to life mobile is,
you know, I can't see that being

456
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:41,040
necessary. But you could create
your own scripts. You're an

457
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,390
apple script. You know, you save
an RSS feed into this folder,

458
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,450
boom, it goes off. I mean,
there's a million ways to do

459
00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:50,190
self holsters will love this.

460
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,880
Yeah, yeah, this is, and that's
the that's so that's the next

461
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,970
step is you've gotten Okay, now
you got a feed? Yeah, he has

462
00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:59,070
stick it somewhere and you've
got audio files, you need to

463
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:03,060
stick them somewhere. So then
that's where the host hosting

464
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:06,930
company could come in and have
an API that would let Curio

465
00:29:06,930 --> 00:29:11,490
caster just plug in to this
dude's account. Yeah. So that

466
00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:14,250
they can just go boop, boop,
done. Yeah, right, right to the

467
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,240
right to the hosting company in
it. And it just gives them the

468
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,880
data where the hosting company
could suck it in and build the

469
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,360
fade out.

470
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,649
And now the app developers can
start offering the services for

471
00:29:25,649 --> 00:29:29,489
different hosting companies. And
you know, they should get ivig

472
00:29:29,489 --> 00:29:30,029
for that.

473
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:31,559
Yeah, that'd be awesome.

474
00:29:31,589 --> 00:29:32,219
Right?

475
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:33,030
That's me

476
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:35,789
now. And now we have an
ecosystem. Now we're all talking

477
00:29:35,789 --> 00:29:39,299
to each other. We've all been so
Gosh, dang it independent.

478
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,299
Hosting and podcaster.

479
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,349
They're bringing the apps can
now bring customers directly to

480
00:29:46,349 --> 00:29:46,829
the host.

481
00:29:46,829 --> 00:29:50,519
Yeah. Hey, you want to start
your own click here. Use this

482
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:50,969
app.

483
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:55,770
You're in that you know what
that is? That's anchor.

484
00:29:56,730 --> 00:29:59,610
Yeah, only everyone gets to do
it and everyone participates.

485
00:29:59,610 --> 00:29:59,880
Yes,

486
00:29:59,879 --> 00:30:01,559
you decentralized anchors.

487
00:30:02,249 --> 00:30:04,739
Oh, there you go.

488
00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:08,700
You get you get you're listening
to some stuff. And you flip

489
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:11,490
over. And like, Oh, I want to
start a pod. Well, you know

490
00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:14,310
what, I want to start a podcast
to new episode?

491
00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:18,090
Yes, exactly. Bam, new episode,
and then it pops up

492
00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:20,850
like which hosts? Do you want to
use? blueberry buzzsprout

493
00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:23,850
rss.com A captivate Trentino
just gives you a list of all the

494
00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:26,940
participating hosts, you say?
Yeah. And they're like, Okay,

495
00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:30,960
well, you know, we'll get we'll
do a sign up. And then the app

496
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:34,800
developer gets a percentage of
off the sign up or whatever.

497
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:42,030
And discount codes the podcast
is read out is so 2010, bro. It

498
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:48,750
is. It's like, Oh, yeah, that's
right. Oh, man, we're making

499
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:51,480
everybody money. But ourselves,
Dave? Dammit, oh,

500
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:53,100
no, we got booster gram,

501
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:56,760
well, hold on, we'll get to the
booster grams. So along with

502
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,200
this comes our rejiggered
positioning, which you kind of

503
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:05,700
came up with it. And we and we
moved a few words around, but I

504
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,430
want to share it because I
really, really like it. And this

505
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,140
is such an excellent example of
it. The podcast index is here to

506
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:16,890
preserve, protect and extend the
open independent podcast

507
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:20,610
ecosystem. We do this by
enabling developers to have

508
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:23,640
access to an open categorized
index that will always be

509
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,080
available for free for any use,
try a new podcast app today and

510
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,290
see how much better the
experience can be. And right

511
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:35,790
now, and that just links to the
to the apps page, which is all

512
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:39,030
going to change. But at least
we're figuring out what the hell

513
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:41,940
we're going to change. We know
we know it's going to look

514
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:45,150
pretty, we're just figuring out
all these pieces and all these

515
00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:49,110
proper positionings. And this is
good though I like this a lot.

516
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:51,120
And it's exactly what we're
doing, preserve, protect and

517
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:51,690
extend.

518
00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:56,699
It just it felt the the original
mission statement that was up

519
00:31:56,699 --> 00:31:59,249
there about preserving free
speech and that kind of thing.

520
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:05,549
It felt incomplete. And just, it
was too simplistic. And it was

521
00:32:05,549 --> 00:32:10,799
just, it was me, I think I can
say this better. It was so

522
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:11,879
simplistic,

523
00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:17,280
that it was easy to just get
triggered by it for political

524
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,270
reasons. And it did not fully
express what we were actually

525
00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:25,050
trying to do. Agreed. And to be
fair to ourselves, when we

526
00:32:25,050 --> 00:32:28,020
started, there was only two
things we were going to do.

527
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,960
We're going to have an
independent index that any app

528
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,750
developer could tap into, and
we're going to make lightning

529
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:39,270
work with satoshis. And what
came out of that is like, like

530
00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:44,820
we uncork some, some bottle of
pent up creativity and energy.

531
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:48,510
And it just spewed out a whole
namespace with you know, with

532
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720
with tons of new features and
ideas

533
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:55,440
that you just described a Fauci
boost I think

534
00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:58,770
boosts there we go

535
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,040
that's exactly what happened
here.

536
00:33:02,099 --> 00:33:06,989
So this is where I feel bad
because you know we started the

537
00:33:06,989 --> 00:33:12,299
boost to get booster gram craze
You know, we've been pushing it

538
00:33:12,299 --> 00:33:18,089
real hard. We've been active
participants in it. And Cridland

539
00:33:18,089 --> 00:33:21,479
asked me to do a jingle for
their booster Graham corner and

540
00:33:21,479 --> 00:33:25,679
I completely forgot and then he
called me out on on the show

541
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:33,839
after they had a boost of
grammar boo cocky fest. Just I'm

542
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,399
sorry. Sorry.

543
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:40,800
That is a foul that is
inappropriate is inappropriate.

544
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,109
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but it's
what it was.

545
00:33:43,109 --> 00:33:43,859
I mean, Alisha,

546
00:33:43,890 --> 00:33:46,710
I was there I was like hold this
listen to these guys are going

547
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:50,340
nuts. And after they just did
this whole bid on how fucked up

548
00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:55,980
how messed up advertising is
trying to be good now. They go

549
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:58,590
straight into they were so
joyous and so happy and they

550
00:33:58,590 --> 00:34:02,850
made like $130 in satoshis from
booster grams like this this is

551
00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:05,250
I had a big smile on my face.

552
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:07,920
Oh I did you can do it now. This
one

553
00:34:07,949 --> 00:34:10,019
yeah, that's what I was thinking
I was thinking I'll do a live

554
00:34:10,019 --> 00:34:13,229
jingle for them do it live and
we'll do a live baby Let me see

555
00:34:13,229 --> 00:34:17,189
if I can let me see if I can do
this. Okay. This was boosted

556
00:34:17,189 --> 00:34:21,419
Graham corner. All right. Yeah.
Now it's time for the boost

557
00:34:21,419 --> 00:34:25,019
boost boost boost. Boost gram

558
00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:30,809
corner is too much too much. You
unloaded everything in the

559
00:34:30,809 --> 00:34:31,319
arsenal

560
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:33,930
Okay, coach

561
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:36,060
me, drag background singers.

562
00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:39,269
Coach me coach because you're
just simple just that just you

563
00:34:39,269 --> 00:34:43,469
know, just what like a big
booming voice like I can do. In

564
00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:46,769
a world where podcast news
matters more than women with

565
00:34:46,769 --> 00:34:49,949
comfortable shoes. It's your
boost to Graham corner.

566
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:54,209
I think you need to go with top
40 I think you need to top for

567
00:34:54,209 --> 00:34:58,439
it. They're both radio guy.

568
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Going I was doing like booster
grabs booster gram corner. Let

569
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,190
me try that. Why don't we try
booster booster booster grams

570
00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:13,530
booster booster gram corner. I
can't get more top 40 than that.

571
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,400
But I'll just do a big voice
Alright, here we go

572
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:20,700
do it do a straight Do you go do
your best Casey Casey.

573
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:24,030
And now the booster gram corner.

574
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:25,530
No that's

575
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:31,440
that's my Casey Casey him. Okay.
Now long distance dedication

576
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:32,760
about a dead puppy.

577
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:35,880
Do your best Delilah. Yeah.

578
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:40,170
booster gram corner.

579
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,060
That's boring.

580
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:46,500
They can choose and edit
whatever they want. I think I've

581
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,130
done enough. I've done my
business. I have returned us the

582
00:35:50,130 --> 00:35:56,070
pod father. Heard you on the
survival podcast? That was

583
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:57,090
really good.

584
00:35:57,690 --> 00:36:04,140
Oh, thanks. Yeah, my my audio
was going buzzer and I barely

585
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:05,400
had any idea what I was saying.

586
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:10,350
Well didn't come across that
way. You It's so nice. And is

587
00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:14,250
another reason why I love
working with you. You know, from

588
00:36:14,250 --> 00:36:16,410
the early days on where I was
dragging

589
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:19,620
spark

590
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:26,640
Voyager which was the Sun
luggable workstation, color,

591
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:30,030
detachable keyboard with a Yes,
sir. A hot headed color cue.

592
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:34,860
Yeah, the color LCD screen with
a built in modem. And I drag

593
00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:38,100
that thing into the CEO, the
Office of the CEO of you know,

594
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:42,960
Reebok and Budweiser. And I jack
their fax machine and neither,

595
00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:46,350
you know, 100 foot cord,
telephone cord and we bring up

596
00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:49,710
mosaic and say here's the future
son, but it was pretty much

597
00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:52,980
always me. And I was MTV guy. So
I was like a monkey boy here to

598
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:57,120
dance show. Everybody and that
was that's been my career for a

599
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:03,510
long, long time. Until you know,
podcasting, and really no agenda

600
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:08,340
and we're doing podcasting. 2.0
So now, there's someone who

601
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:13,200
tells the story in an even
better way than I do. You're so

602
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,190
calm and you are very, very I'm
taking some lessons from how you

603
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:17,760
do that.

604
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,390
No, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed this
show cuz I can I can I can feed

605
00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:25,680
off your energy. My natural
state is is very,

606
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:29,100
very MPR but without without the
annoying of talk.

607
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:32,790
Oh, thank you. Well, you were on
Allison Morrow show to you.

608
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:36,480
Right? Yeah, about about three
quarters of the way through it.

609
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:40,320
Yeah, it was fun. I like her. I
want to get her on. On value for

610
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,210
value. Julie work though. Yeah,
she's just coming straight out

611
00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:47,520
of mainstream. So she's, she's,
you know, she's got some

612
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,880
learning to do. But she's, I had
no i didn't i haven't knew about

613
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,670
her. I think we might have
covered her story on no agenda A

614
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:58,050
long time ago. But I got all
kinds of interesting messages

615
00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:00,810
from you know, sir. genies like
you were great analysis. But you

616
00:38:00,810 --> 00:38:03,150
watch out. Oh, yeah. Since
Episode Five, like, Oh,

617
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,450
I never even heard of her until
you until you said you're going

618
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:11,070
to be on her show that I watched
enough to to see the chat. And

619
00:38:11,070 --> 00:38:15,300
the chat was, I've never really
seen. I mean, I've seen the

620
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:17,760
YouTube chat. But I mean, don't
get me wrong, but like, I've

621
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,300
never

622
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:21,630
Oh, see, I got you got a live
experience.

623
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,930
Yeah. And it was actually really
cool. What I can see why people

624
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:25,470
want that.

625
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,020
Yeah, that's, that's what I call
engagement. That can be

626
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:31,050
engagements. And people are
doing that stuff, especially if

627
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,270
each chat message comes with a
Satoshi.

628
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:36,570
It's just like, that may sound a
little troll room on this side

629
00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:40,140
of the screen. You know, I mean,
that's what it feels like, well,

630
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:42,420
chat room, eight. And I can see
that,

631
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:44,370
hey. So

632
00:38:46,139 --> 00:38:48,599
if you took the concept of a
boost, and maybe just I'm just

633
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:54,269
going crazy here, if you took a
booster Graham, but the message

634
00:38:55,049 --> 00:39:00,569
was, because the a booster gram,
the app automatically should

635
00:39:00,569 --> 00:39:03,839
get, you know, let's just say
with any trailer, any booster

636
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:08,789
gram, the app gets one set,
which means the app also gets

637
00:39:09,089 --> 00:39:14,489
the TLV. Record. Right. And
there's a couple of other people

638
00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:19,919
who get to to view record.
Doesn't can that also not

639
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:25,049
constitute a post a comment?
Could the app to not say Oh,

640
00:39:25,049 --> 00:39:29,279
that's a comment. And click I'll
put it right here underneath the

641
00:39:29,279 --> 00:39:29,819
show in the

642
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:34,320
app. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's,
that's the Sphinx model, right?

643
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:38,940
Yeah, you're just passing the
you're passing. So to me, the

644
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:43,710
Sphinx chat model is you pass a
Satoshi a Satoshi around with

645
00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:45,240
the TLV attached to

646
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,460
it. Right. But how does the
other How do the other apps get

647
00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:51,930
ahold of that? could then the,
the app that receive that, that

648
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,630
comment, boost, then share that
you'd have to

649
00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:03,420
Okay, so things that pop out to
me would be like he first would

650
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:10,410
possibly take that incoming
message or that incoming Hold on

651
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:11,670
a second. Steven B.

652
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:15,570
Don't build anything yet. Just
wait. Yes, please. This is

653
00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:18,510
really an unrehearsed off the
cuff crap here. All right.

654
00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:21,570
Yeah, I feel like we stress
people out with

655
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:24,630
a lot of people I know for sure.
Yeah.

656
00:40:25,410 --> 00:40:29,640
So it feels like you could do it
one of two ways. You could, you

657
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,720
could, the app could get the T o
v. So I guess I'm just

658
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,320
envisioning This is you. Okay,
so this is YouTube. And in this

659
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,020
scenario, this would be
something like, Curio caster or

660
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:41,820
pod friend, this will be sad.
Yes,

661
00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:42,390
exactly.

662
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,240
And so it's doing it. It's it's
seeing it live. And on the

663
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,510
stream. The SATs are going to.

664
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,140
I already figured it out. Stop.

665
00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:56,130
Okay.

666
00:40:56,250 --> 00:41:00,930
All you need is a value block
that is designated for your

667
00:41:00,930 --> 00:41:06,240
comments. Oh, yeah. And then you
put so yeah, and then every

668
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,470
single payment that goes there,
you just publish the comment?

669
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:14,970
Yeah, what would the publishing
mechanism be like? No.

670
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,400
Fucking magic, Dave. I'm
surprised you haven't built it

671
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,990
yet. I'm talking about what is
the mechanisms PHP, baby. reacts

672
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:24,120
React Native native react. I
don't know what it

673
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:32,640
is. It's react flutter flutter
solves this. spelt. Yeah. Now,

674
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,880
that could work. You have a
dedicated This is like the this

675
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,260
is like the chat.

676
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,100
I mean, we we I mean, I wouldn't
mind. I mean, we could just do

677
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:46,230
that for us. You know, just as a
test. There's something here and

678
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:49,110
maybe maybe the podcasts or
services that we're you know,

679
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:51,630
that we're working on. Maybe
that's something that we could

680
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:55,950
at least facilitate setting up
and we don't want to we don't

681
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:57,690
want to post anything.

682
00:41:58,020 --> 00:42:00,990
podcast or services that are
you. You're the director of

683
00:42:00,990 --> 00:42:02,370
podcast or serve fuck no,

684
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:05,820
I am the I am the director of
podcasts or success.

685
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,360
That's it. Tricaster success
ninja?

686
00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:12,180
Yes. That's that's what I am.
Yeah.

687
00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:16,350
Well, I mean, this could be
okay, so the live thing needs to

688
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:20,940
happen first. Yeah. Live tag.
First. That's that's face poor

689
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:25,740
baby. Um, sweet. I'm declaring
it as renting the flag. Sweet.

690
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:26,940
Sweet. I want it.

691
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:30,420
Yeah. And it has to be streaming
live. It can't just be live.

692
00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:31,710
It's got to be streaming live.

693
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:34,710
streaming live streaming live?
We'll do it through pilot pod

694
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:40,080
paying. And then then this would
be next.

695
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:43,530
Yeah, pod paid shit. That's it.
Dave pod ping is the answer.

696
00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:48,090
Because it pod ping although,
looks like a centralized service

697
00:42:48,090 --> 00:42:51,030
because of the nature of the
blockchain is not of course,

698
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:54,510
we're gonna have central hubs
that build and may die or May,

699
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:59,040
you know, whatever can happen.
But in essence, it continues to

700
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,640
work on the hive chain. I hope
Brian of London,

701
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,610
Brian of Hi, Brian, find a vibe.

702
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,210
That could also be the mechanism
for publishing comments back. or

703
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:19,530
his or just saying, Here's his
comments for for this good. Go

704
00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:25,050
to this value block. Do

705
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:32,550
you mean, you mean in the you
mean hot the hive?

706
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,270
I don't know. I'm just because
pod pod Ping. I forget the

707
00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:40,080
backend of just saying pod ping
is a decentralized service,

708
00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:42,810
although it's a centralized
gateway. But we can use

709
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:44,310
comments don't go there.

710
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:47,760
No, not on comments. But But
hey, here's where the comments

711
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,120
live this node send to this node
read from this node, something

712
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,650
like that. I'm not quite sure.
Okay.

713
00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:59,820
You're saying that you published
the live item. The lot the app

714
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:03,540
sees it hooks into the stream,
the live stream, your HLS or

715
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,970
whatever. And it's boop boop,
boop is pumping is pumping the

716
00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:10,950
stream out. But the pod ping
that notified the app, the pod

717
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:13,200
ping message that notified the
app that the live stream had

718
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,910
started. also contained a
pointer to where the comments

719
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:23,130
should go. That is interesting.
Yep. Yeah.

720
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:26,070
Which is why we've been married
for 11 years, darling.

721
00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:30,390
Yeah, now I don't know. Nobody
built this place.

722
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:35,760
Do not be Martin Martin. Martin.
Stop, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

723
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,350
Stop. Stop. Stop. Nice.

724
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,210
He's painting is he's painting
the master bedroom.

725
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,879
How it released is that Oh,
okay. Well, good. I'm happy for

726
00:44:41,879 --> 00:44:45,149
him. I know. It's it's a multi
month process, man. It was same

727
00:44:45,149 --> 00:44:47,219
for me. It was really hard to
keep up with everything and

728
00:44:47,219 --> 00:44:51,899
everybody. So he has a kid now,
right?

729
00:44:52,409 --> 00:44:53,519
No, No, I'm just kidding.

730
00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:57,780
No, he does. I think it's just
isn't his fiance's child. I

731
00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:58,350
think so.

732
00:44:58,739 --> 00:45:01,859
Oh, I didn't know he had a kid.
Congratulations, you think No,

733
00:45:01,890 --> 00:45:06,150
no, I think the kid is, is of
Disney age. I don't know Martin

734
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:09,870
I get a pod friend. Martin's
like quick I turn this down. My

735
00:45:09,870 --> 00:45:11,610
new wife doesn't know about
these kids.

736
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:15,419
The old double wife

737
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:18,630
I have heard about those Danes.

738
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:21,480
That doesn't mean good.

739
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:26,969
Oh, my goodness. Oh, just on the
booster grams. And that was the

740
00:45:26,969 --> 00:45:32,159
final thing. But I just
remembered. I think I know this

741
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,019
was a thread for a moment there
on podcast index dot social. But

742
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,409
James was reading a booster gram
amounts, which were after fees

743
00:45:40,409 --> 00:45:43,139
and distributions. And so you're
not really getting the

744
00:45:43,139 --> 00:45:47,039
numerology of the of the boost?
And I think he's getting it from

745
00:45:47,099 --> 00:45:50,909
Satoshi stream. So where's that?
Or is it is it an app that is

746
00:45:50,909 --> 00:45:54,719
not sending the right
information? Or should we even

747
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,369
have a standardized document for
this?

748
00:45:56,370 --> 00:46:00,270
I'm not sure we do. We do. Yeah,
no, it's Yeah, that sister she's

749
00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:05,520
that stream needs to be hooked
into the needs to be displaying

750
00:46:06,570 --> 00:46:12,630
the value in the TLV that is
called value m set total. Yes.

751
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:15,060
That you underscore him set
underscore total because that's

752
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:19,320
the pre that's that's the total
that was sent before any fees or

753
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,060
anything right before it's been
molested

754
00:46:21,690 --> 00:46:24,570
before the lightning network
chomped on it like Pac Man.

755
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:31,710
Yes, a good Pac Man. Huh. Walker
Walker, Walker Walker. There's

756
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:33,630
your booster. There's your
booster Graham corner right

757
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:33,930
there.

758
00:46:35,310 --> 00:46:36,900
No. All right.

759
00:46:37,799 --> 00:46:40,259
But I mean, yeah, that's it's in
there. It's in there.

760
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:43,890
So that's Toshi scream is not
sending is just displaying the

761
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:48,030
wrong information. We're not on
information different than than

762
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:48,690
I expected.

763
00:46:49,889 --> 00:46:51,959
With a complete lack of
information, I'm going to go

764
00:46:51,959 --> 00:46:53,579
ahead and blame Satoshi string.
Okay.

765
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:56,730
Yeah. Blame those guys.

766
00:46:56,940 --> 00:47:01,590
Yeah. So I don't know if if it's
not his problem, then we'll

767
00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:08,940
Yeah, we'll figure it out. The
boost the AI was thinking about

768
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,270
about the chapter Well, let me
just do this. I need to correct

769
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:18,510
something that I said on a
previous episode because I i

770
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:24,570
unintentionally upset the pod
love guys. Oh. Because they we

771
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:27,330
were talking about pod love
chapters which are in which

772
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:27,630
which

773
00:47:27,659 --> 00:47:33,029
are which is in the Omni studio
feed drawer. or sell some NBC

774
00:47:33,029 --> 00:47:35,909
podcast or something that we're
talking Fox podcast? Yeah.

775
00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:43,140
Yeah. But and they, and he
thought that I had just screwed

776
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:46,500
that whole thing up about
describing it in there was not

777
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:50,970
intentional. I just wanted to
break there. I mean, it is. He

778
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:53,640
was upset initially, because I
said it in past tense, like pod

779
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,360
love, pod love chapters was a
thing that blah, blah, blah,

780
00:47:57,870 --> 00:48:00,690
that I didn't mean it that way.
It's just, it's just language.

781
00:48:01,770 --> 00:48:05,610
But no pod love isn't published
chapters are a spec, that is

782
00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:09,570
inactive use today in the feed.
And it's just a different, it's

783
00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:12,300
just a different paradigm. And
the only reason why we didn't

784
00:48:12,750 --> 00:48:15,810
was initially we were going to
adopt the pod love chapter. So

785
00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:19,980
yes, I remember that. I remember
that. That was the plan. But

786
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:23,220
then, you know, two hosting
companies are like, no, we're

787
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:27,000
not doing that. Because they
were concerned about feed size.

788
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:29,130
And so then the natural

789
00:48:29,250 --> 00:48:34,350
because the chapters go in the
RSS feed in the pod love format.

790
00:48:34,350 --> 00:48:34,860
Got it?

791
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,810
Yeah. And if you have 100,000
feeds, you know, even one extra

792
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:44,370
kilobyte per per feed can add up
right up to distribution

793
00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:47,190
bandwidth. So we were I mean, it
was just a no go. I mean, like,

794
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:50,490
they just were like, no, we're
not using that. And so, in that.

795
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:53,220
So we're like, well, I'm gonna
let's figure something else out.

796
00:48:53,220 --> 00:48:55,560
And so we came up with this
other idea and I you know, I'm

797
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,970
partial to the new idea anyway,
but the the pod love chapter

798
00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:03,900
still work fine. The workaround
for the pod love chapters was

799
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:10,830
for feed size was that you use
paging, the paging so that you,

800
00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:16,020
not all of your episodes are in
a single or in the feed. So do

801
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:18,270
you have a reference to another
file

802
00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:23,070
for older episodes? Okay. Right,
right. And then, which is fine,

803
00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:27,030
but nobody seems to want to
implement that either. Because

804
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:29,730
that's that specification has
been around for a long time. And

805
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:30,150
is there

806
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:33,480
a way to Is there a way to
embrace pod love and bring them

807
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,240
into the into their own tag in
the namespace?

808
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:39,120
Now they've already they've
already contributed a lot to the

809
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,810
namespace,

810
00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:42,720
right but but have the actual
pod love in the namespace

811
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,030
itself? Or is that a problem?
Because that requires everyone

812
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:49,980
then to adopt? The pile of
chapters? Yeah,

813
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:52,860
yeah. I just don't want to
reopen that box. I mean, it's

814
00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:53,490
just done.

815
00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:56,250
All right. Well, you meant no
malice is what you're saying. He

816
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:57,330
didn't mean to piss anybody.

817
00:49:57,330 --> 00:49:59,820
Yeah. And I just wanted to I
wanted I didn't want to talk

818
00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:00,720
about I felt bad.

819
00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:05,010
It's not easy being a podcaster
now is it is what it is is when

820
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:05,820
you get hate mail.

821
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:10,200
But that there that is a spec
that's in active use and it's a

822
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,660
great spec. And that's the other
thing about podcasting. 2.0 is

823
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,040
like, all we want is new
features. It doesn't matter

824
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,190
where they come from you just
want cool and cool new features.

825
00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:27,510
Yeah, so yeah, there's there's
cool stuff out there. Not all of

826
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:28,830
it is stuff that we built here.

827
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:30,900
No, certainly not.

828
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:35,100
Anyway, that I wanted that as a
as a public service and now

829
00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:42,450
Yeah, so you want to do you want
to hear my? You want to hear my

830
00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:49,800
Dave Jackson ISO? Oh, yes, of
course. What the heck is a

831
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:56,520
Satoshi Oh, yes. What the heck
is a Satoshi Wait, now this

832
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,620
one's better. I don't know a
thing about crypto.

833
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,820
Okay. I don't know a thing about
crypto. No thing about crypto

834
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:06,270
y'all.

835
00:51:06,330 --> 00:51:07,410
Yeah, he's got such a good.

836
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:10,380
Good, good end of show live
show. They're

837
00:51:10,889 --> 00:51:14,639
doing well. Thanks some people?
Yeah. Anything else you're

838
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:15,029
talking about?

839
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,199
Um, let me see. Did we miss
anything? Do we wrap it all up

840
00:51:19,229 --> 00:51:23,069
on the on the basics because I
think we do need to thank some

841
00:51:23,069 --> 00:51:26,939
people but also just briefly
talk about some phase four.

842
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,880
Yeah, we can talk about phase
four.

843
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:34,440
Yeah, well okay, this is a value
for value project the whole

844
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,010
project I'll read it again for
those who missed it the podcast

845
00:51:38,010 --> 00:51:40,500
index is here to preserve
protect and extend the open

846
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,320
independent podcasting
ecosystem. We do this by

847
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,680
enabling developers to have
access to open categorized index

848
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,040
there will always be available
for free for any use try new

849
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,250
podcast app today and see how
much better the experience can

850
00:51:53,250 --> 00:52:02,760
be. Screw coke This is new coke
new podcast apps.com so all we

851
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,910
asked for in this project is you
contribute some value back if

852
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:08,280
you find the invaluable that can
be done with your time your

853
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,940
talent your treasure, when we
need money to keep the servers

854
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:15,690
running for everything for the
node to be funded and you can do

855
00:52:15,690 --> 00:52:19,800
that with your rehearsed this
with your Fiat fun coupons. Your

856
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,850
cookbooks or with your satoshis
we accept all of it go to

857
00:52:23,850 --> 00:52:27,360
podcast index.org and at the
bottom is big red Donate button

858
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,250
and let's thank some people
today yeah for supporting the

859
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:38,190
the hub of the movement on it or
someone at some pub or something

860
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:40,830
I'm not quite sure what we are a
nucleus

861
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:45,720
if I say if we're if this is
flat earth and we're the North

862
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:45,990
Pole

863
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:49,890
yes we're the embryo Yes. The
embryo pay for moving first baby

864
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:50,700
firmament.

865
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:59,370
So yeah. out so procedural
question here. Yes. The age old

866
00:52:59,430 --> 00:53:03,510
like should I do these? In
order? Disha do these donations

867
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:08,550
biggest to least in order to get
to honor the biggest givers up

868
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:13,590
front? Or should I do them least
to biggest in order to climax at

869
00:53:13,590 --> 00:53:15,300
the end with the biggest donor?

870
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,760
Well, this is interesting. The
proven model is his biggest to

871
00:53:21,390 --> 00:53:27,090
to the smallest. Okay. That is
the proven model. You had made

872
00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,060
climax though. I was interested
like this could be this could be

873
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:31,920
a different way of doing it.

874
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:34,950
Hmm. Well, I don't know. Let's
let's stick with the proven

875
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:36,810
model it will AB test. Okay.

876
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Okay, this is a everybody we're
doing version a version a press

877
00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:47,730
a click click on the on the
graphic and your chapter mark

878
00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:49,620
right now to hear version B.

879
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:58,710
be fun coupons first. Yes. Dred
Scott gave us $51. He says he's

880
00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:02,250
taken he's taken Sanford one
sending him and then putting it

881
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:03,330
back into the show.

882
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,860
Well, you know what he's doing
now. He's He's moonlighting on

883
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:11,640
the on the Fun Fact Friday
podcast with David David mitas.

884
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:14,100
Oh,

885
00:54:14,370 --> 00:54:18,270
is in the value block over
there? Yes, he is. And he's

886
00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:19,560
doing chapters.

887
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:20,670
Yes.

888
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,210
He's, he's gonna have a
businessman. I'm telling you.

889
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:26,910
He's gonna have a business. He's
gonna get a bunch of a bunch of

890
00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:30,420
kids to listen to podcast, mark
the chapters do the art. You'll

891
00:54:30,420 --> 00:54:33,720
have them chained in a basement
and he's going to be rich. I

892
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,040
tell you stinking rich.

893
00:54:36,780 --> 00:54:39,600
They don't like a bunch of
teenagers. A bunch of teenagers

894
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:42,330
staring at screens all day. I
mean, that's just normal stuff.

895
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:43,050
Exactly.

896
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,800
They do need them and in fact,
he's paying them with a with

897
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,930
SATs per chapter

898
00:54:48,929 --> 00:54:55,049
they complete. Yet one set one
set, but maybe maybe a kid This

899
00:54:55,049 --> 00:54:58,859
is for your future. They only
have to do 100 million chapters

900
00:54:58,889 --> 00:55:00,899
a year and they I can make a
living off

901
00:55:00,929 --> 00:55:03,479
now we're just talking about
this stuff and bitcoins over

902
00:55:03,479 --> 00:55:06,329
48,000. I mean, we were
influencing the price.

903
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:11,100
We know what is there. Is there
any indication of Why? Because

904
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:13,920
that jumped up high today? I
don't really understand why.

905
00:55:15,299 --> 00:55:18,539
No, I have no idea. Yeah, I
could give you a million

906
00:55:18,539 --> 00:55:21,749
different news stories and say,
hey, it's because of this, but I

907
00:55:21,749 --> 00:55:25,349
don't know. I think, yeah, just
look at the curve. You know,

908
00:55:25,619 --> 00:55:29,669
it's got to go back up to
100,000 by the end of the year,

909
00:55:29,669 --> 00:55:32,009
and I think that's a fair
assessment. You're seeing a lot

910
00:55:32,009 --> 00:55:36,059
of people agreeing with that. I
don't know why. I just I this is

911
00:55:36,059 --> 00:55:38,309
what I see. And like, Oh, that
sounds sounds reasonable.

912
00:55:39,299 --> 00:55:45,809
Dred Scott says, says, jingles
go podcasting. Hmm. See, set.

913
00:55:46,409 --> 00:55:50,459
The set streamer note. Dred
Scott showed number donation

914
00:55:50,459 --> 00:55:52,919
special shout out to the
podcast. Fun Fact Friday with

915
00:55:52,919 --> 00:55:56,159
Lila and David not just fun
facts, but also a fun 20.

916
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:58,619
Listen. drib All right.

917
00:55:59,310 --> 00:56:02,190
I love the Fun fact, Friday
show.

918
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,170
I've never listened to it.

919
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:08,280
Oh, you have to it's dad and his
daughter. That's great. And but

920
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,470
you know, but they did
everything themselves. And they

921
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:13,830
also i think i think they put
the whole note together

922
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:17,520
themselves together. They put
their Oh really? Yeah. I believe

923
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,820
they got a Raspberry Pi and put
it all together. Yeah, this is

924
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:23,700
this is really cool. It's like
It's like a homeschooling

925
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,170
project that is in school.

926
00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:26,670
Again.

927
00:56:27,389 --> 00:56:31,889
And for those for those
developers and podcasters. Who

928
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,239
you know are you know, you're in
your 20s right now. This young

929
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,729
lady is probably gonna wind up
hiring you for something.

930
00:56:43,830 --> 00:56:45,120
There you go. Thanks, man.

931
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,040
I just downloaded Fun Fact
Friday into my fountain app. If

932
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,710
that one a shot today, I have to
rotate my apps all the time.

933
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:53,430
This is a great,

934
00:56:53,459 --> 00:56:55,079
great, great podcast.

935
00:56:56,310 --> 00:57:01,530
Thank you. Let's see, Paul or
skin. He took out a new

936
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,550
automatic subscription monthly
subscription for $11.14 I didn't

937
00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:06,210
see a note.

938
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,879
Thank you. All curious about the
number.

939
00:57:08,879 --> 00:57:16,769
I like it. Me too. Anonymous
$11.11 says make this anonymous

940
00:57:16,769 --> 00:57:19,529
enjoy some fun coupons, podcast.

941
00:57:23,550 --> 00:57:27,450
Fun. I throw that in all the
time now. And just like the most

942
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:30,510
normal thing, and Tina is used
to this crap for me, and people

943
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:34,500
talk about you know, cutbacks

944
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:37,320
with Max's voice

945
00:57:38,909 --> 00:57:42,059
I've started listening. It's
interesting how max releases his

946
00:57:42,059 --> 00:57:46,949
episodes. So he has a full a
full podcast but he releases it

947
00:57:46,949 --> 00:57:50,129
in parts first and then are bits
of it I guess. And then the full

948
00:57:50,129 --> 00:57:52,379
thing is that how I've come to
understand this.

949
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,220
I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I
just don't go back and listen to

950
00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:59,880
the old ones. I haven't listened
to anything new. I listened to a

951
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:00,450
couple of

952
00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:06,540
Yeah, so we'll have to live
Episode 27 654321 and zero is

953
00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:11,760
then the full episode. Oh, okay.
I don't know maybe it's I think

954
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,250
I'm checking it out in pod burst
it could just be me

955
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:15,990
misunderstanding something I
don't know.

956
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:22,500
And see survive and survive from
the mastodon podcast into index

957
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:26,190
dot social. He gave us $5 a
month subscription. Thank

958
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:28,260
you very much that keeps the
whole server running.

959
00:58:30,330 --> 00:58:34,770
See those are our fun coupons
and we got some booster grams.

960
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:39,210
Let's see. Oh, wow. Okay. Kiran
from the mere mortals podcast

961
00:58:39,210 --> 00:58:40,890
I'm gonna be on that show by the
way.

962
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,490
Yes, I will. We both saw this
this boost come in. They've gone

963
00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:48,240
nuts. They've been they've I
mean, they're just boosting

964
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,840
everybody everywhere. Yeah. big
numbers. Big rollers

965
00:58:52,139 --> 00:58:54,269
100,000 SATs from Karen.

966
00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:58,499
I think that is a record booster
gram. I think it's a record

967
00:58:58,499 --> 00:59:03,449
boost actually and holy crap it
worked. Let's just stop it and

968
00:59:03,629 --> 00:59:07,079
talk Think about that for a
second the Australian monetary

969
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:11,309
police are going to go and find
you cuz you've broken some sort

970
00:59:11,309 --> 00:59:11,789
of law

971
00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:15,599
or something by basing this on
that. Just sit just send us

972
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:19,829
gonna like swim across the
channel in a in a in a hazmat

973
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:22,709
suit and mess you up or
something like you're messing

974
00:59:22,709 --> 00:59:29,039
everything up down under this is
this is really see is this is

975
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:32,099
really a message for everyone in
the 2.0 community. I can't

976
00:59:32,099 --> 00:59:35,159
express how much fun I've had
since I found out about this a

977
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,309
mere one and a half months ago.
I was feeling like I hit a glass

978
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:40,709
ceiling in terms of the quality
I could create for my shows but

979
00:59:40,709 --> 00:59:43,679
everything here as well and
truly inspire me to work harder

980
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,159
and produce the best podcasts I
can your introduction into the

981
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,369
Bitcoin and lightning world for
me has already been more than

982
00:59:50,369 --> 00:59:55,229
it's worth its weight in
Bitcoin. Well, see would

983
00:59:55,229 --> 00:59:57,869
appreciate a D fragmenting to
celebrate my crossing of the

984
00:59:57,869 --> 01:00:01,979
$100 fun token threshold with
resorting to the emasculating

985
01:00:01,979 --> 01:00:07,049
cookbooks and just PS would have
boosted more if the limit was

986
01:00:07,049 --> 01:00:09,629
higher on pot Bran might be
worth upping that limit Martin.

987
01:00:15,929 --> 01:00:17,999
That's almost 50 bucks man
today.

988
01:00:18,389 --> 01:00:19,799
Yeah, I've got

989
01:00:19,979 --> 01:00:23,039
so but the funny thing is I
don't think of it that way. I

990
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:25,769
think 100,000 satoshis. Yeah.
It's like

991
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,240
it never even registers to me.
I'm

992
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,620
I know that's what that's what's
so crazy. Like, I'm already I'm

993
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:33,810
already living in that world
somehow.

994
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:37,950
I've got t shirts, and I'm
behind on T shirts getting

995
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:42,540
those. Okay, somehow air. Air
has got the spreadsheet with T

996
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:47,940
shirts in it. And they're all
laid out nicely. It's like, name

997
01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:48,840
address.

998
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,590
Oh, yeah. Eric. Eric nails that
down. Yeah,

999
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:56,550
it's beautiful. Yet somehow this
is mystifying to me. And I can't

1000
01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:59,400
make I can't make myself
actually figure out how to use

1001
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,860
the spreadsheet. So I'm an
idiot. I will. I will get these

1002
01:01:04,860 --> 01:01:07,740
t shirts. Over to Eric's s this
will

1003
01:01:07,739 --> 01:01:09,509
you need to add entries? You
mean?

1004
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,800
Yeah. I'm like two weeks behind
on that. So okay. Yeah. Um,

1005
01:01:14,219 --> 01:01:16,769
we've been we've been waiting
over a decade for podcasting to

1006
01:01:16,769 --> 01:01:19,859
point out I'm sure you know,
everyone will be able to say,

1007
01:01:19,859 --> 01:01:21,689
Hey, I was there, I got the T
shirt.

1008
01:01:22,830 --> 01:01:29,010
I remember that. Eventually.
50,000 SATs from Auburn Citadel.

1009
01:01:30,210 --> 01:01:35,550
He says sup freaks. working my
way to a T shirt. I appreciate.

1010
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,250
I appreciate your work on
freedom, enabling technology.

1011
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:39,960
It's so important in this crazy
world.

1012
01:01:40,409 --> 01:01:44,549
So what do we set as a Satoshi
number for t shirts? It's $100

1013
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:46,799
in Fiat fun coupons.

1014
01:01:47,460 --> 01:01:51,660
I don't know what what's, what's
the limit? as well. I

1015
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:54,750
mean, because the number will
fluctuate. But I think that we

1016
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,090
let's just start living in the
sad world. Right?

1017
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:00,240
Yeah, we need a hard limit. Like
Yeah, irrespective of whatever

1018
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,590
some somehow 250 sounds good,
but a 200 would be okay, two and

1019
01:02:04,590 --> 01:02:11,520
1000 or 250. Let's do 200 200
Okay. 200 the T shirt committee

1020
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,230
may adjust this number later. T
shirt. Believe me it is not when

1021
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:19,170
it goes down. But you know, we
know you won't be won't be

1022
01:02:19,170 --> 01:02:22,950
setting that as 200,000 at some
point. Here's a car.

1023
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,590
The T shirt committee is Eric
saying his message like yo

1024
01:02:25,590 --> 01:02:26,310
Phillip crab.

1025
01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:31,770
Eric Yo, yeah, you're right.
You're right. You're right. We

1026
01:02:31,770 --> 01:02:37,140
need to be careful because he's
Eric is figuring out accounting

1027
01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:40,560
tax all of this stuff, which,
which is going to be something

1028
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,920
we'll be able to share, provide,
etc. But

1029
01:02:43,949 --> 01:02:46,619
nobody's gonna say it's gonna be
like 250,000 SATs is the

1030
01:02:46,619 --> 01:02:53,069
shipping amount? Australia.
Okay, okay. All right. Yes.

1031
01:02:53,969 --> 01:03:00,449
Yeah, great. Greg Thomas. Gave
us 10,804 sets. He says Adam and

1032
01:03:00,449 --> 01:03:02,969
Dave, I've been a monthly pay
pal donor for a while but now

1033
01:03:02,969 --> 01:03:06,239
I'll be cancelling that
donation. booster Graham's still

1034
01:03:06,239 --> 01:03:09,749
donating just not in cookbooks.
Go podcasting? Yes. Thank you

1035
01:03:09,749 --> 01:03:18,749
very much. We do there's so many
of these. Good got on money,

1036
01:03:18,779 --> 01:03:21,989
but we're gonna have to have a
cut off at some point. That's

1037
01:03:21,989 --> 01:03:22,319
just

1038
01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:25,140
my cut offs, though. So yeah,
well, it's

1039
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:28,439
okay. If as long as you don't
mind five hour shows.

1040
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:33,120
Yes. Michael Morrison. Michael.

1041
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:41,250
Michael Morris. From the from
the kingdom of Denmark. Michael

1042
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:42,270
Morrison.

1043
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:49,980
Yeah, the polygamist. Get he
gave us 177 SATs and says

1044
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:56,070
mandatory boost for mentioning
me. Yes. All right. Boost. Aaron

1045
01:03:56,070 --> 01:04:01,350
at sell on nomics. He gave us
2000 2000 SAS he says five

1046
01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:06,960
words. Episode 50 was a boost to
boot cocky and now

1047
01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:10,830
that's where I got it from.
That's where I got the show.

1048
01:04:10,830 --> 01:04:15,150
Yes, yes. Oh, Bad. Bad Man. Bad
Man. You influenced me? Not?

1049
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:20,820
very negatively. I apologize
profusely. I'm really working on

1050
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:21,450
myself.

1051
01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:28,620
Brian of hive gave us 1000. And
that's when he pointed out why

1052
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:32,400
one of hives best apps is called
hive key chain. Brian, I have to

1053
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,540
admit I've no idea what you're
talking about.

1054
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,190
hive key chain. That's where you
keep all of your all of your

1055
01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:39,150
keys, I guess.

1056
01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:43,320
But why is that one of the
highest best apps? And I guess

1057
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,790
it would be the most important

1058
01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:50,310
Well, now did you look at the
timestamp, dude. By the way,

1059
01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:54,270
these I expect these emails to
come in with a clip you know,

1060
01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:57,780
just click on the click on the
link and it goes right to that

1061
01:04:57,780 --> 01:04:58,530
time code.

1062
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:02,939
If you're going to expect that
why not just expected to have an

1063
01:05:02,939 --> 01:05:04,529
mp3 of the clip attached to it

1064
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:10,019
right I didn't want to take away
your weekend but okay

1065
01:05:11,759 --> 01:05:12,929
i'm not saying I'm gonna build
it.

1066
01:05:13,980 --> 01:05:14,550
Okay

1067
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:22,020
that's it. That's called a two
Shea c boost booster gram 1000

1068
01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:26,430
SATs from Chad Barrow sending my
first booster gram for fountain

1069
01:05:26,430 --> 01:05:27,270
go podcast.

1070
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:27,780
Yes

1071
01:05:32,219 --> 01:05:35,819
See Chad Barrow had another 1000
SATs Hey Adam are these booster

1072
01:05:35,819 --> 01:05:38,579
grams just a Trojan horse to get
podcasters to add donation

1073
01:05:38,579 --> 01:05:39,899
sections to their podcast

1074
01:05:40,260 --> 01:05:44,730
know that it's a feature it's a
feature to enhance the donation

1075
01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:49,500
segments that's the whole point.
And and would you watch you

1076
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:52,200
watch what happens when you
start to do your booster gram

1077
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,600
corner? This is this stuff

1078
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,750
really really works it's not a
Trojan horse we're coming at

1079
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:58,020
full

1080
01:05:58,889 --> 01:06:00,209
no secrets here brah

1081
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:07,260
yeah no secrets Steven bass it
check it out Cinder ID is being

1082
01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:10,590
sent now and it's the dog
session that it has been very

1083
01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:11,190
nice

1084
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:19,080
nothing else about you know if
these were if these were boosted

1085
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:25,080
comments yeah you can you can
treat like 100,000 can go to the

1086
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:31,350
top No, I'm just kidding I'm
just gamifying stuff you know

1087
01:06:31,350 --> 01:06:32,460
it's it's in my nature

1088
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:38,190
yeah you can you can like like
an auction almost you guys top

1089
01:06:38,190 --> 01:06:39,270
somebody or whatever.

1090
01:06:39,810 --> 01:06:40,410
Something

1091
01:06:40,409 --> 01:06:46,199
leaderboard leader leaderboard
Yeah. Stuff like that. Oscar

1092
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:49,619
Mary says you really have
released a beast boosting as

1093
01:06:49,619 --> 01:06:57,449
addictive 1000 sets Oscar said
it worked. I guess that must

1094
01:06:57,449 --> 01:07:00,689
have been his first boost
because fountain Yes. And he

1095
01:07:00,689 --> 01:07:03,179
said don't worry about reading
all my boosts now I'm going to

1096
01:07:03,179 --> 01:07:05,339
read every one of them Oscar by
the way

1097
01:07:05,339 --> 01:07:10,379
for my honesty with the most
recent one is I thought I got a

1098
01:07:10,409 --> 01:07:14,429
I was gonna look at is why I
like so much. We have a daily a

1099
01:07:14,429 --> 01:07:17,459
daily thing. We look at how many
transactions each app each app

1100
01:07:17,459 --> 01:07:21,509
is doing. I look I'm looking for
the most recent one. I love

1101
01:07:21,509 --> 01:07:25,739
that. Okay, just keep going. I'm
just okay, I'm just

1102
01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:30,090
I'm just Oscar had another AK
gave us he gave us a boost for

1103
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:33,060
mentioning fountain on the show.
1007 see

1104
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:39,330
how that works. Here we go.
Sphinx. This past was that day.

1105
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:45,630
They had 661 transactions. Is
this good? Yeah. This Oh, you've

1106
01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:47,430
already ordered it. Oh, nice.

1107
01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:52,110
Yeah, I don't think I don't
think it's sorted properly

1108
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:52,350
though.

1109
01:07:52,410 --> 01:07:55,260
Oh, it but it's sorted. It looks
like it's sorted by amount of

1110
01:07:55,260 --> 01:07:57,000
transactions. Which is what

1111
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,890
i what i was a coincidence.

1112
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:05,490
Oh, really? swink 661, pod
friend 339. breeze 351 Curio

1113
01:08:05,490 --> 01:08:11,580
caster 130 Fountain 112. Unknown
46 pod verse three. But they're

1114
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:16,740
still in beta testing stuff.
This is real. I really love

1115
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:20,460
this. Because it's not
necessarily equal to the amount

1116
01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:24,180
of satoshis that come through
per transactions. The

1117
01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:25,140
transaction amount

1118
01:08:26,220 --> 01:08:28,410
going through the system is is
really all right.

1119
01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:37,380
So fountain with 112
transactions. That today's

1120
01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:45,060
report just today, okay, was
48,699 SATs that came through

1121
01:08:45,060 --> 01:08:45,570
fountain.

1122
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:50,790
There's 400,000 transactions in
our node database. It's crazy.

1123
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,360
And that since really since
December,

1124
01:08:54,540 --> 01:08:57,270
when Mac said he was he said the
only thing he's really worried

1125
01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:59,430
about is that we break the
lightning network. He might not

1126
01:08:59,430 --> 01:09:02,790
be kidding. I mean, we're
learning about compacting

1127
01:09:02,790 --> 01:09:05,790
databases already. Yeah, yeah.

1128
01:09:05,850 --> 01:09:11,580
I asked asked him. Tim I was
like what went How often do you

1129
01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,370
compact your database and he
said, I don't I'm scared.

1130
01:09:15,779 --> 01:09:18,719
Yeah, exactly. Well, voltage has
a setting for it.

1131
01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:23,250
Yeah, yeah. Graham advocates
that he was there he said

1132
01:09:23,250 --> 01:09:27,360
they're working on a document
that shows how to attend at a

1133
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,330
back your stuff up and tinned
your database. So they're,

1134
01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:32,430
they're gonna they're gonna put
that out as like a support

1135
01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:34,320
document and that'll be good for
everybody.

1136
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,240
Yeah, good. times.

1137
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:42,629
Good. Crazy. Good note hygiene.
I was gonna marry again. 77 SATs

1138
01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:45,029
he said it's time for the board
meeting booster gram week.

1139
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:47,849
Indeed. It is booster gram week.

1140
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,320
Yeah, he says. So you get
another one for 1000 SATs and he

1141
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:58,560
says it does not stop. No, it
does. It just keeps going. 1000

1142
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,430
SATs from Kevin Bay. He says I
sent a booster gram using Curio

1143
01:10:02,430 --> 01:10:04,680
caster, but it didn't seem to
make it. Did this one get

1144
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,960
through? Yes, it did. Yes. Who
else

1145
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,990
was was there a new app that was
that just started sending value

1146
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:10,620
for value?

1147
01:10:11,190 --> 01:10:13,980
You're thinking to cast ematic.
And he's still testing. Okay.

1148
01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:14,250
All right.

1149
01:10:14,309 --> 01:10:18,599
He's in beta. All right. Well,
and Who's Who is that?

1150
01:10:19,259 --> 01:10:20,909
As Franco? celerio. Okay,

1151
01:10:20,969 --> 01:10:23,009
Franco, let me know when you
need when you're ready, because

1152
01:10:23,009 --> 01:10:24,809
I want to promote it on the no
agenda.

1153
01:10:25,379 --> 01:10:27,659
Yeah. And he and that's a really
good app.

1154
01:10:28,259 --> 01:10:31,619
I've seen it. Yeah, it's iOS
only right? Yeah. No, I in fact,

1155
01:10:31,619 --> 01:10:33,539
I think I talked about it on the
last show.

1156
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,229
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's a really,
it's a really good app on iOS.

1157
01:10:39,059 --> 01:10:44,519
See James kerlin 950 SATs, and
he says really useful interview

1158
01:10:44,519 --> 01:10:47,609
and enjoying the show. Listen,
listening in a non boost app. So

1159
01:10:47,609 --> 01:10:50,519
I popped over here to leave you
this boost and pop brand. Thank

1160
01:10:50,519 --> 01:10:58,379
you. Thank you. Let's see. Okay,
950 SATs from sir. Bill. He said

1161
01:10:58,379 --> 01:10:59,399
don't read this on the air.

1162
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:00,810
Okay.

1163
01:11:03,090 --> 01:11:07,830
Wish granted. Mary, Oscar. Mary
gave us 777 SATs. He says

1164
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:11,760
crinkle paper for me, baby. Oh,
yeah, I'm

1165
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,360
sorry. I talked over I talked
over I talked over go do crinkle

1166
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:15,690
again.

1167
01:11:16,140 --> 01:11:18,720
Okay. All right. Well, he's got
to follow up with another seven,

1168
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:26,310
seven. He says I do like this
podcast. Here's your cue to

1169
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:32,670
boost. You know, you want to
there you

1170
01:11:32,670 --> 01:11:34,950
go anonymous. ASMR on demand.

1171
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,710
Anonymous 500 sets in the
messages. I'm sorry. You're in

1172
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:45,180
PHP all the time to me to

1173
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:48,720
so many of these. I want to hit
reply to.

1174
01:11:49,170 --> 01:11:53,100
I know that's the thing that's
missing. Yeah. Yeah. Another one

1175
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:58,380
from anonymous. And it's 475
stats in the messages point.

1176
01:11:59,730 --> 01:12:01,950
Oh, wait, I have that one. Day.

1177
01:12:02,190 --> 01:12:05,760
Yeah. Oh, is that a jingle?
Yeah,

1178
01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:11,070
it's a fan favorite. Our next
president? Okay.

1179
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:17,670
Let's see. 333 SATs from podcast
junkies. Hey, john is Harry from

1180
01:12:17,670 --> 01:12:24,930
podcast junkies via fountain
booze. And see bootstrap banded

1181
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:28,950
that's Tim k from LNP. He sent
us 100 sass and he just says

1182
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:38,280
Holla Holla better is 95 cents
from and the name of this person

1183
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:42,840
is dirty message. And the
message is a sequence of emojis

1184
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,760
that I cannot describe on the
air. Okay.

1185
01:12:45,930 --> 01:12:48,780
Well, we have to up our Saturday
so we don't get offended by

1186
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:50,670
those emojis in the future

1187
01:12:50,940 --> 01:12:52,980
yet and set that limit at 96
cents.

1188
01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:53,910
Yep, that's right. That'll

1189
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:58,080
that'll show him. That's the end
of booster grams and monthly

1190
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:03,420
donors is. Let's see. Keith
Gibson gave us $50 Thank you,

1191
01:13:03,420 --> 01:13:08,370
Keith. Thank you. Sir Alex
gates. Is he a sir is on the

1192
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:15,840
agenda. He is now. Okay $25 tim
Hudgens? My buddy Tim. Good got

1193
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,940
$25 Let's see. Paul Saltzman
gave us $22.20

1194
01:13:21,090 --> 01:13:23,280
he that's his regular number.

1195
01:13:24,270 --> 01:13:28,380
I wish I knew. I guess it's just
a double double snake. Yeah.

1196
01:13:29,460 --> 01:13:33,240
Yeah. He means it well,
regardless, Jeremy Cavanaugh

1197
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:38,550
gave us $10 doing gold he gave
us $8 Jeremy guards gave us $5.

1198
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:42,570
And Thomas Sullivan Jr. Gave us
$5. And David would find give us

1199
01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:43,950
$3. That's

1200
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:48,360
lovely. And we really appreciate
all of the support that we've

1201
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,640
been receiving the monetary
support is key. In fact, we're

1202
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,030
going to start adding some more
things that will cost more

1203
01:13:57,030 --> 01:14:03,480
money. You know, we'll talk
about it. But for now, I mean,

1204
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:05,550
holy crap, this thing is
running. We've got like a

1205
01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:10,410
perpetual motion machine. It
just kind of hunkers ahead. You

1206
01:14:10,410 --> 01:14:13,260
know, the flywheel never stops.
It's one of the most amazing

1207
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:16,350
things. Thank you all so much
for supporting it. And this is

1208
01:14:16,350 --> 01:14:19,350
the whole project podcast
index.org podcast index dot

1209
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:23,550
social, the GitHub, supporting
the machines, we have, I think

1210
01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:28,680
20 servers running now. legal
help we've, we've we've engaged

1211
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,670
some lawyers, you know, like
blow low $100. But for stuff,

1212
01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:35,280
we're just we're trying to make
this all work and make it work

1213
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,410
for everybody. And that includes
people who are interested in

1214
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:41,850
advertising. Don't be shy step
up, y'all. But you can, that's

1215
01:14:41,850 --> 01:14:46,140
not our income. We are more
interested in you thinking about

1216
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:48,570
what kind of value you get from
the whole project. Just turn

1217
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:51,660
that into a number that's
meaningful to you and go to

1218
01:14:51,660 --> 01:14:55,530
podcast index.org and send us
your fun fiyat coupons on the

1219
01:14:55,530 --> 01:14:58,350
read donate Donate button, or
you can go ahead and boost right

1220
01:14:58,350 --> 01:15:03,360
now to get a new podcast app,
new podcast apps calm, have some

1221
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,430
fun joined join the cool kids

1222
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,050
and beyond a deal but a
namespace because yes, I'd love

1223
01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:15,780
to use borago. I'd love to. So I
think what I'm going to do over

1224
01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:19,890
the next week before the end of
the month is to go ahead and

1225
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:25,170
write everything up for the new
tags as best I can, and then

1226
01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:27,210
we'll just start hashing on
them. So what I think it is

1227
01:15:27,210 --> 01:15:35,280
right now, I think it'll be
initially live. And medium.

1228
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:39,120
Right, so so we can determine
whether it's a video.

1229
01:15:40,170 --> 01:15:44,760
Yeah, what what format it takes.
And, and I have something to say

1230
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:52,920
about 10 seconds. And then this
new one that just popped up. Is,

1231
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:58,320
is the idea of pinning episodes.
And so is where or what you call

1232
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,130
like gateway episodes. And so
you've I think you commented on

1233
01:16:02,130 --> 01:16:02,760
that issue.

1234
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:06,570
Yes. The pin the pinned, pinned
episodes.

1235
01:16:07,890 --> 01:16:10,860
Yeah. And I think that's a great
idea. I think it's good enough

1236
01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:13,020
to try to get it in into phase
four.

1237
01:16:13,050 --> 01:16:17,070
Let me see you. Yeah, well, let
me um, I don't know, I'd have to

1238
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:20,340
hear everything. But what I like
about the idea is, especially

1239
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:25,260
for long, longer lasting
podcast, like the no agenda

1240
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:30,390
show, but even even this podcast
there, there could be episodes

1241
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:33,330
that either Hey, you know,
listen to this episode, which

1242
01:16:33,330 --> 01:16:35,340
and we did a couple of those on
no agenda, we call them the

1243
01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:39,690
point five episodes. So we did
one at 100.5 200.5. And I think

1244
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:43,890
maybe three or 400.5. And we
recap is kind of like an ion

1245
01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:47,550
where we we bring in things from
the from the previous 100 point

1246
01:16:47,550 --> 01:16:51,300
something episode. And it really
brings people up to speed on on

1247
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:54,360
a lot of the basics. And I think
a lot of podcasts are like that.

1248
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,270
And there's people always
suggest different things. And it

1249
01:16:57,270 --> 01:16:59,310
could or could just be, you
know, like a telegram group.

1250
01:16:59,310 --> 01:17:02,100
Just here's an important episode
that you need to make sure you

1251
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,590
heard I mean, no matter what
your reason is, I really like

1252
01:17:04,590 --> 01:17:05,580
the idea of pinning.

1253
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:11,820
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, even for
this show, it's hard to go back

1254
01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:14,970
and suggest now that somebody
listened to the very first

1255
01:17:14,970 --> 01:17:18,150
episode, right? Because it has
changed so much.

1256
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:23,460
You know, a lot of this behavior
is I've never understood it, but

1257
01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:28,020
it's rampant, people often will
go back and start an entire

1258
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:33,270
podcast from the beginning. And
I can't explain what it is. But

1259
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:36,390
it's every single podcast I've
ever been involved in people

1260
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:37,140
have done that.

1261
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,760
That's interesting, because that
I would call myself a neurotic

1262
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:47,850
completest. So I'm the guy that
will I can't just read like a

1263
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:51,240
book, I've got to read the
entire series, even if it's 50

1264
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:56,580
books, you know. And I have that
neuroses, but I don't have this.

1265
01:17:57,150 --> 01:18:00,210
But I don't have this urge to go
back and listen to every episode

1266
01:18:00,210 --> 01:18:03,000
of a podcast. That's, that's
like something that's that's a

1267
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,750
different thing, I guess. I
don't know. But I mean, if you

1268
01:18:06,750 --> 01:18:10,410
had the gateway episode idea, in
place, you could just say, Okay,

1269
01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:15,510
this is a great onboard into our
show at this, like at this

1270
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:18,450
point. And it could it could be
from like a year ago, but at

1271
01:18:18,450 --> 01:18:21,150
least it gives you like, this is
the good, this is the best entry

1272
01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:25,260
point. Just kind of floats in
the feet along with every other

1273
01:18:25,260 --> 01:18:26,520
one with all the current stuff.

1274
01:18:27,089 --> 01:18:32,129
It's critical that we get
podcasters involved in these

1275
01:18:32,129 --> 01:18:35,279
types of discussions, because
I'm really going off of what

1276
01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:39,539
I've learned from having podcast
audiences for, you know, for 18

1277
01:18:39,539 --> 01:18:46,289
years, or whatever. There's,
there's a whole bunch of things

1278
01:18:46,289 --> 01:18:49,019
we're missing as a group,
because we just don't have a lot

1279
01:18:49,019 --> 01:18:54,059
of people who are in there are
also podcasters. But it's just

1280
01:18:54,059 --> 01:18:57,239
so much stuff that is
unexpected, like even just the

1281
01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:59,189
importance of you know,
comments, which has been a big

1282
01:18:59,189 --> 01:19:02,969
one for us. That's we're going
to learn things that we never

1283
01:19:02,969 --> 01:19:05,219
expected. But we need that we
need kind of the feedback from

1284
01:19:05,219 --> 01:19:08,939
the podcasters. And it's kind of
you know, not everyone's like,

1285
01:19:08,969 --> 01:19:12,089
Oh, yeah, I'll go on this GitHub
thing that's intuitive for me,

1286
01:19:12,509 --> 01:19:14,369
because it's not strangely.

1287
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,860
The other the other thing that
the other tag that I'd like to

1288
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:24,000
get through there is
recommendations. And it's not

1289
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,430
that a lot of people have been
clamoring for this, but I think

1290
01:19:26,430 --> 01:19:30,630
that Benjamin Bellamy and his
group has done a lot they've

1291
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:33,570
done a lot of work on this is
clearly something that they need

1292
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,010
yes and want. Yep. And I think
that is all that matters. So

1293
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,220
once that thing gets into the
spec, then it becomes a little

1294
01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:48,180
bit more visible to people in
the industry, and they can look

1295
01:19:48,180 --> 01:19:51,780
at it and maybe they find out
that they need it also. But it's

1296
01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:57,720
a very big, it's a very big tag.
And so I think that people have

1297
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:01,110
been a little nervous about it
because of this And the scope of

1298
01:20:01,110 --> 01:20:01,320
it.

1299
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:06,810
I mean, if the way I understood
it when we had Benjamin on is,

1300
01:20:07,230 --> 01:20:11,250
it's something that the
podcaster can control that much

1301
01:20:11,250 --> 01:20:17,460
like chapters, or could have an
trusted third party manage that

1302
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:21,480
for them. which actually gives a
lot of advertising slash

1303
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,760
marketing opportunities. People
pay attention.

1304
01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,990
Yeah, that's exactly right. And
to me, that sounds like a

1305
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:29,070
fantastic idea.

1306
01:20:29,850 --> 01:20:33,210
I liked it. I liked it. Because
I immediately wanted a system

1307
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:36,600
that does a lot of that for me
that I can you know, but I want

1308
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,420
to have control over it. I don't
know like chapters it is to me,

1309
01:20:39,420 --> 01:20:41,850
it's exactly like that. Oh,
here's, you know, I want to

1310
01:20:41,850 --> 01:20:47,220
recommend podcasting. 2.0 fax
DHL unplugged. But you know,

1311
01:20:47,220 --> 01:20:51,150
I'll probably pod land, orange
pill, you know, I don't know how

1312
01:20:51,150 --> 01:20:55,170
many I can do. But I like it. I
think that's that's a great way

1313
01:20:55,170 --> 01:20:59,070
to build out these networks.
It's in the tribe model. That's

1314
01:20:59,070 --> 01:21:03,510
almost like, you know, here my
affiliated tribes today. Yeah,

1315
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:05,400
because I might want to scalp
them tomorrow.

1316
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,450
Look at look at it. I look at it
like a little bit like

1317
01:21:09,450 --> 01:21:13,920
alternative enclosure. It's a
thing that needs that should be

1318
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,760
there because it's got a lot of
care behind it. And it's got a

1319
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,620
lot. And it doesn't matter that
nobody's going to use it. On day

1320
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:26,640
one, right? That doesn't matter.
What What matters is that is

1321
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,090
well thought out. And it's a
good idea. And so it can be in

1322
01:21:30,090 --> 01:21:33,660
the spec is fine. There's things
things can be in the spec that

1323
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,320
that, that people don't just
immediately jump on, because six

1324
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,780
months from now, somebody may
find it and be like, yeah, this

1325
01:21:39,780 --> 01:21:42,930
is this is good. So I'm on board
with that now.

1326
01:21:43,770 --> 01:21:47,070
So I think it's good and very
diplomatic to reach out to our

1327
01:21:47,070 --> 01:21:48,360
socialist friends that way.

1328
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:55,560
I mean, they don't have much of
you got to me, he got to give

1329
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,430
them everything.

1330
01:21:56,460 --> 01:21:59,910
Now what? Well, we'll let him
into the namespace interface for

1331
01:22:00,090 --> 01:22:04,470
but only if they have a vaccine
passport. No, just kidding. Just

1332
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:08,310
kidding. Benjamin Griffin,
because it's messed up, man. The

1333
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:09,450
whole world is going crazy.

1334
01:22:10,770 --> 01:22:13,770
The so the medium tag

1335
01:22:14,730 --> 01:22:16,830
that goes live basically, right?

1336
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:22,590
He can't Yeah, I can is calm.
And it is a way to signal to the

1337
01:22:22,590 --> 01:22:24,990
app. And I think we've talked
about this worse way to signal

1338
01:22:24,990 --> 01:22:30,060
to the app. What type of content
This is. Is it a video? Is it

1339
01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:33,720
meant? Is it a audio book? Is it
a? Is it a music, an album of

1340
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:39,480
music? Blah, blah, blah. So I've
got already, I think I told you

1341
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:42,780
a couple weeks ago, that my son
is a bass player in a metal

1342
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:49,560
band. Hmm. And it was going to
release his album as a podcast.

1343
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,680
Right? And I did that on the
index. Oh,

1344
01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:54,180
you didn't pick me about that?

1345
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,030
I did not. I was I'm surprising
you on the show.

1346
01:22:57,179 --> 01:22:58,379
Oh, okay.

1347
01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:01,650
The name you can just search on
it in the index or any of the

1348
01:23:01,770 --> 01:23:03,750
many other apps that use us for
search

1349
01:23:03,809 --> 01:23:07,409
is Apple podcast, Spotify, or
wherever you get your podcast

1350
01:23:07,409 --> 01:23:07,979
from?

1351
01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:11,490
Yes, yes. Wherever you get your,
your

1352
01:23:11,489 --> 01:23:13,829
new podcast apps from wherever
you

1353
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:17,850
get your podcasting 2.0 apps,
you can search for that it's

1354
01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:21,600
called the album is torque on
that know the name of the band.

1355
01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:24,240
And I believe Don't ask me what
this means. I got no idea. These

1356
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:30,360
guys are teenagers. torque on
7004. co n and then just the

1357
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,700
number seven. And it's like two
words. Search in there. You'll

1358
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:38,280
see the podcast and it's an

1359
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:43,050
RCA NTRTO RC

1360
01:23:43,050 --> 01:23:43,740
o n

1361
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:49,860
C o n space 707 v one one bro.

1362
01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:52,890
Yeah, but it's still sir is the
word for the number two.

1363
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,950
And its first track I have here
as Supertramp

1364
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:59,880
Yeah, that can. Yeah, I don't
know how to order them in order

1365
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,970
to mount this. It's weird, but I
don't think they care what the

1366
01:24:02,970 --> 01:24:08,130
track order is. So that's the
that's the album and it uses the

1367
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:10,710
medium tag. Ah,

1368
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,170
how did he How did he get the
medium tag?

1369
01:24:13,770 --> 01:24:18,570
I hand coded the feed. Oh hell
yeah.

1370
01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:34,830
That's my audition for the band.
Can't wait to listen to that. I

1371
01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:35,730
love that. It's cool.

1372
01:24:35,730 --> 01:24:40,620
Yeah, it's a thrash metal band a
boost boost to the way in the

1373
01:24:40,620 --> 01:24:43,590
way it's set up is there's four
value blocks. I tried to make

1374
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:43,890
this

1375
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,370
bell my goodness I love this
day. This is crazy. You're like

1376
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,580
blade liner Dad, you're you're
doing it with the thrash metal

1377
01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:51,150
kid love

1378
01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:53,910
it. Yeah. Each one of them the
drummer, the bass player, the

1379
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:58,200
guitar player, and the singer.
They all each one of them has an

1380
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,980
lm pay wallet. So They each have
a split. And that's so cool,

1381
01:25:02,010 --> 01:25:04,980
first of all, but anyway, the
main, the medium tag is in

1382
01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:07,170
there. And I thought this will
be a good way for people to test

1383
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:11,790
out against this. Because what
should happen in this scenario,

1384
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:19,320
the medium tag should say, is
music. So what what the app

1385
01:25:20,190 --> 01:25:25,770
would be expected to do is
display this in a way that makes

1386
01:25:25,770 --> 01:25:30,540
sense as a as a as if you were
in Spotify or some music,

1387
01:25:30,570 --> 01:25:33,660
right, which it doesn't do yet.
The app I use doesn't do it.

1388
01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:37,350
Obviously, it does. In fact, it
only has doesn't have any show

1389
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:40,950
notes. It just has a title, I
think.

1390
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:45,930
Yeah, yeah. So that is, anyway,
that's a test podcast that

1391
01:25:45,930 --> 01:25:49,890
people can use to try to see
what their app can do with this

1392
01:25:49,890 --> 01:25:52,050
sort of functionality. And

1393
01:25:53,490 --> 01:25:55,980
that's a great idea. That's a
great idea.

1394
01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:58,799
And I'll try to put a couple of
more of these test feeds in

1395
01:25:58,799 --> 01:26:02,789
there. Because I think that for
us feature like this, a test

1396
01:26:03,089 --> 01:26:07,559
date is a is a great way to you
need something to bounce against

1397
01:26:07,559 --> 01:26:07,799
and see.

1398
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:10,650
Yeah, and get the kids working
for the organization, you know,

1399
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,230
useless otherwise, do something.

1400
01:26:13,710 --> 01:26:14,940
I mean, I'm keeping all the
money.

1401
01:26:14,969 --> 01:26:19,019
Yeah, of course. Are you When
are you in the split? Are you

1402
01:26:19,259 --> 01:26:21,119
foolishly just put the kids in
there? Oh,

1403
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,380
man, God, I'm an idiot.

1404
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,880
I love that. Very cool. Very,
very cool.

1405
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:32,520
I think that's the, I think that
that will get us started. And

1406
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,280
then we can add, you know, I
think we'll have room for you

1407
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,670
know, one or two more tags, but
okay, I feel good about that. So

1408
01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:42,540
far. If if somebody else has a,
you know, on with that or thinks

1409
01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:43,290
of different, you know,

1410
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:46,259
it's a kind of our schedule now
is you're finishing up some

1411
01:26:46,259 --> 01:26:50,789
stuff with Eric for the
accounting, and then we're going

1412
01:26:50,789 --> 01:26:53,189
to spruce up the onboarding.

1413
01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:57,750
Yeah, yeah, that's the plan
because we've it's coming up but

1414
01:26:57,750 --> 01:27:00,510
it's getting close. There's
getting further on into the end

1415
01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:03,030
of the year. So at some point
we're gonna I mean, like the all

1416
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:05,850
those stats, they have come in
to the, to the pockets index

1417
01:27:05,850 --> 01:27:09,060
node. I mean, that's income so
we got to declare and we got to

1418
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:12,420
do all the right stuff by taxes
so I had to sort of get Paul's

1419
01:27:12,450 --> 01:27:18,060
on development and then go and
build this reporting for Eric so

1420
01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:22,020
that we can you know, be legally
compliant and all those things

1421
01:27:22,020 --> 01:27:24,000
and when as soon as I'm done
with that, I'll be back but I

1422
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,570
did have time though. I did
sandwich in the per episode

1423
01:27:27,570 --> 01:27:28,080
valuable. I

1424
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:33,450
saw that I saw that I love it.
And hopefully my new RSS curious

1425
01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:37,140
what did what did he call it was
still Curio caster, right. Right

1426
01:27:37,140 --> 01:27:42,060
didn't have a different name for
it. It is truly a curio caster.

1427
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,930
So well. Hopefully, I'll get
episode blocks in there soon

1428
01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:46,170
that

1429
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:49,560
Gigi is a well known Bitcoin?
Sure.

1430
01:27:50,910 --> 01:27:51,480
He

1431
01:27:52,770 --> 01:28:00,090
wrote a famous book in Bitcoin
world called 21 lessons. And he

1432
01:28:00,810 --> 01:28:07,590
did all the sort of code review.
And on the value block spec,

1433
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:13,080
Ryan namespace right. And he he
wrote up the perb that per

1434
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,530
episode part of the spec he did,
he really has helped me over the

1435
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:20,820
last month and a half to revise
that thing, because he really

1436
01:28:20,820 --> 01:28:21,780
wants this

1437
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,620
what what were the main things
that that he added or adjusted

1438
01:28:25,620 --> 01:28:25,980
that

1439
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:32,730
it was just wording was really
just wording and finding some

1440
01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:35,760
inconsistency with the way
things were described. It was

1441
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,960
really just a lot of

1442
01:28:38,580 --> 01:28:39,900
like the whole organization

1443
01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:49,770
restrict yourself to only the
value space. But anyway, so he

1444
01:28:49,770 --> 01:28:53,310
cleaned all that up and made it
its final now it's a it's a good

1445
01:28:53,310 --> 01:28:58,500
spec. And with that means is we
can go ahead and put in we can

1446
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:04,440
finalize the value block in
phase four. Now as per episode

1447
01:29:04,530 --> 01:29:08,850
splits and it in the first feed
and the only fate currently that

1448
01:29:08,850 --> 01:29:14,340
has per episode value blocks is
closing the loop, which is the

1449
01:29:14,670 --> 01:29:18,450
put out by the company that he
works for. And they have

1450
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,320
actually their second to last
episode they had Paul each way

1451
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,830
from stack work on it. Oh,
really? Oh, cool. Yeah. And each

1452
01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:30,300
each one of those episodes like
that episode with Paul has Paul

1453
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:30,780
in the split.

1454
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:37,320
So this is really handing out
with you. So this there's two

1455
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,440
things that I think are the
future. And you're that you and

1456
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:45,300
I will be working really closely
on is that the splits which, you

1457
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:48,390
know, when you position it in a
different light, it's really

1458
01:29:48,420 --> 01:29:53,490
digital royalties of the future.
Direct from value returned

1459
01:29:53,490 --> 01:30:01,350
directly for value received and
how It's gonna make such a deep

1460
01:30:01,350 --> 01:30:02,640
point about the second thing.

1461
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:05,580
We're going long you're wearing
down.

1462
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:12,300
Now it was, it was the it was a
split. Oh, and the medium tag?

1463
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:17,160
Oh, yeah, the medium tag because
I was only thinking in ways of

1464
01:30:17,310 --> 01:30:23,940
different types of medium. But
music is so distinct and that

1465
01:30:23,940 --> 01:30:30,870
triggering, you know, hold on a
second, that triggering a signal

1466
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:34,890
to an app that the app knows
Hold on a second. This is a

1467
01:30:34,890 --> 01:30:39,150
piece of music. And I can change
the way I'm displaying

1468
01:30:39,150 --> 01:30:42,060
information or certain
information would be relevant or

1469
01:30:42,060 --> 01:30:47,340
not. I can actually change the
interface to this. I say, suck

1470
01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:56,670
it Spotify. This, do you realize
how revolutionary that can be?

1471
01:30:56,700 --> 01:30:58,560
This is one of the most
important episodes we've ever

1472
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,270
done. We've invented everything,

1473
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,930
invented everything. a tidal
wave,

1474
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:10,230
including Firmin first Flat
Earth, yes. Good to go. You feel

1475
01:31:10,230 --> 01:31:11,280
me though, I mean, how important

1476
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:17,250
that is 100%. But the first
thing I think of is Random

1477
01:31:17,250 --> 01:31:22,980
Access Memories that that album
by Daft Punk. So that album has

1478
01:31:24,180 --> 01:31:28,560
quite a few tracks. Maybe 75% of
the tracks have a guest artists

1479
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:28,650
Oh,

1480
01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:32,610
yeah. There was lawsuits over
over that album. Oh, really? Oh,

1481
01:31:32,610 --> 01:31:36,720
my goodness. It's like all kinds
of lawsuits because it had so

1482
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,450
many people attributed to it.
And still there were samples

1483
01:31:39,450 --> 01:31:43,140
that that were left out. And as
we say in the music business,

1484
01:31:43,170 --> 01:31:47,550
when you have a hit you get the
writ. Oh, yeah, people just sue

1485
01:31:47,550 --> 01:31:51,060
you. Hey, that sounds like my
song man. Vanilla Ice come here.

1486
01:31:51,450 --> 01:31:58,170
Yeah. That see, so that album,
just take simplifying it down to

1487
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:03,480
it was death punk. And one in
one guest artist on this on this

1488
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:05,550
track. There's your splits.

1489
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:06,630
Exactly.

1490
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,899
And then they're getting
royalties in perpetuity from

1491
01:32:09,899 --> 01:32:10,409
every

1492
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:13,350
every single time that yeah,
that episode is listen to

1493
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:18,870
exactly the right boom. But I
mean, I just don't i don't want

1494
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:23,160
to push ahead. But when you get
Oh, my god that is so was it.

1495
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,790
Ask gates who's been pushing for
the medium tag? Yeah, yeah.

1496
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:29,970
Okay. Documenting, documenting.

1497
01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:34,530
Our doing you're doing a good
job on this kind of like, this

1498
01:32:34,530 --> 01:32:37,890
morning. I have to document this
a medium tag.

1499
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:42,660
Did he come up with it? Good. We
call that inventor.

1500
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:44,220
inventor.

1501
01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:47,730
You get absolutely nothing with
it. Except least they don't

1502
01:32:47,730 --> 01:32:51,510
misquote you 20 years from now
or you get screwed up. That's

1503
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:59,100
the thing that I hated the most.
No, excuse me. Stop smoking. So

1504
01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:00,060
it's all coming out now.

1505
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,330
Those two things is beautiful.

1506
01:33:03,930 --> 01:33:07,680
Yeah, because you know, that's
where we get into we can finally

1507
01:33:07,710 --> 01:33:12,360
do more call justice with a
documentary just so we could

1508
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,900
tell the app Hey, display this
may be in a 16 by nine or

1509
01:33:16,170 --> 01:33:19,200
embiggen the window or anything
like that, you know the way you

1510
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,130
might expect the documentary to
run which would mean probably

1511
01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:26,190
you know default with the with
chapters I don't know I mean,

1512
01:33:26,190 --> 01:33:30,000
there's I I'm just shooting from
the hip now but and then music

1513
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,980
you know, categorize it by or
sorted in this particular

1514
01:33:34,980 --> 01:33:35,640
fashion.

1515
01:33:36,899 --> 01:33:42,599
You know, as hell my god that is
so cool. Yeah, you build you

1516
01:33:43,019 --> 01:33:45,389
build the you're an app base
layer,

1517
01:33:45,420 --> 01:33:50,820
and then you can do book and
then audio book PDF. All of a

1518
01:33:50,820 --> 01:33:53,790
sudden, your app is showing a
PDF with a great interface to

1519
01:33:54,210 --> 01:33:56,430
browse through a book or audio
book.

1520
01:33:57,450 --> 01:34:00,930
You what we're doing now is
building the base layer for

1521
01:34:00,930 --> 01:34:02,070
what's coming next.

1522
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:06,180
Which is they have no idea
what's coming next.

1523
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:08,190
Which is bored.

1524
01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:11,759
what is coming next cannot be
stopped this is this is a q&a

1525
01:34:11,849 --> 01:34:12,209
thing.

1526
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:14,940
That was that a phrase from
Cubana?

1527
01:34:14,970 --> 01:34:23,940
Yeah it's like WIC and CSC Oh
yeah, I know it's like yeah

1528
01:34:23,940 --> 01:34:27,720
where we go one we go all but
it's now what is coming cannot

1529
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:31,590
be stopped and that's that's
true. I believe now with

1530
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:36,510
everything I'm seeing the
momentum cannot be stopped Apple

1531
01:34:36,510 --> 01:34:40,560
is to be ignored at this point.
The listeners our listeners are

1532
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,430
checking out other apps they're
not standing for this and not

1533
01:34:44,430 --> 01:34:46,530
standing for hours of delay

1534
01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:50,550
with ISO infamous information
war

1535
01:34:52,710 --> 01:34:58,170
we are in an information war. I
want to cut that down. So the

1536
01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:00,660
this lesson let's Have a gap.

1537
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:08,520
This this is from like Australia
news. This thing is, I'm in love

1538
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,670
with Australian news. What
whatever I have no idea what

1539
01:35:11,670 --> 01:35:13,530
they're talking about or
whatever all this stuff is going

1540
01:35:13,530 --> 01:35:19,740
on locally. But it's it's like
incredible. The guy has this

1541
01:35:20,190 --> 01:35:27,570
amazing voice and then they read
headlines and tweets in other

1542
01:35:27,570 --> 01:35:32,520
amazing voices like so there's a
clip Australia reading headlines

1543
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,090
play that one

1544
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:36,990
is this where do you watch this
on YouTube?

1545
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:40,500
yes some YouTube video think
James link to it but I can't I

1546
01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:42,210
can't stop I watched like three
or four of them.

1547
01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:46,110
last second I boosted a little
bit here. Multiple Greyhound

1548
01:35:46,110 --> 01:35:49,230
track upgrades renew focus on
animal welfare.

1549
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:52,950
It's like they that was

1550
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:56,400
about great. That was a word
Greyhound dog track racing.

1551
01:35:56,790 --> 01:36:00,660
Yeah. They're like saying a new
story. It's I think it's one of

1552
01:36:00,660 --> 01:36:03,510
these shows that like analyzes
the news. Of course, it's the

1553
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:08,040
journalism. Yeah. So then they
they show that the tweet, and

1554
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:12,390
they read it in these super
dramatic voices. And like I so

1555
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:14,580
hiding the truth. I do though.

1556
01:36:18,660 --> 01:36:21,210
The government and the media are
hiding the truth.

1557
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,280
Like there's a there's like a
million of these. I just had to

1558
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,620
make myself stop. Oh, no. Yes.

1559
01:36:30,689 --> 01:36:34,019
Yeah, well, I get different
Australia news and none of it's

1560
01:36:34,019 --> 01:36:38,669
good. They just got another six
weeks of restrictions and

1561
01:36:38,969 --> 01:36:42,239
sellers that had in Sydney,
Sydney. Yeah. New South Wales.

1562
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:48,089
Yeah. Man. Yeah. Wow, this the
zero COVID policy is a tough nut

1563
01:36:48,089 --> 01:36:49,229
to crack. Yeah.

1564
01:36:50,009 --> 01:36:52,199
Yeah, man. I feel sorry for
those guys. We know a lot of

1565
01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:53,129
people in Australia.

1566
01:36:53,460 --> 01:36:54,570
Hell yeah.

1567
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,320
Oh, yeah. I feel I feel sorry
that they sit there. Can't get

1568
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:03,720
out. And go visit the rest of
the world. And anyway, you got

1569
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:04,170
anything else?

1570
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:07,530
No, I think that's pretty we've
we've done a good job together.

1571
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:11,730
So next week, we're still trying
to figure it out. I'm going to

1572
01:37:11,730 --> 01:37:13,950
the Netherlands will be the
first time I've seen my daughter

1573
01:37:13,950 --> 01:37:17,550
in 18 months. I'm really excited
about that. Her birthday is on

1574
01:37:17,550 --> 01:37:21,540
the 27th. But that is Friday. So
we're gonna see we're gonna

1575
01:37:21,540 --> 01:37:24,840
figure something out. But we
might have to skip one board

1576
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,110
meeting. And then after that, we
got to cool a couple of cool

1577
01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:28,980
guests coming up.

1578
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,700
Yeah, we've got do we want to
say or just leave this? Leave it

1579
01:37:32,700 --> 01:37:33,600
as a surprise.

1580
01:37:33,899 --> 01:37:37,019
Okay. Yeah. So they'll see it in
the minutes from this meeting.

1581
01:37:38,610 --> 01:37:39,570
My lips are sealed.

1582
01:37:40,259 --> 01:37:41,579
Alright, Dave, have a great
weekend, man.

1583
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:42,690
Me too.

1584
01:37:42,749 --> 01:37:45,239
Okay. All right, everybody.
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1585
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:48,899
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1586
01:37:48,899 --> 01:37:51,509
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1587
01:38:07,649 --> 01:38:11,549
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