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Casting 2.0 for July 23 2021,
Episode 47. We got a Mongo in

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the Congo. Yeah. Come on in
everybody. It's time once again

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for your weekly board meeting.
Right here. podcasting point.

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Oh, everything going on to
podcast index.org podcast index

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dot social. Your namespace, your
index. Your board meeting. I'm

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Adam Curry here in the heart of
Hill Country, Texas and in

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Alabama, our man representing
and podcast movement my friend

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on the other end, Mr. Dave
Jones. Hello, comrade. Yes,

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hello, comrade.

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That's all it's all for you. You
know, we're getting it away.

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We're all socialists now. That's

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correct. It's exactly what's
going on.

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We just did the may make coffee
here. Is that from last week's

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board meeting? Cuz that thing
looks tough. No,

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no, no, no, I'd take the one on
the left. You definitely don't

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want that one. Hey, Dave, how
you doing?

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I'm doing good. I'm recovering
from a pretty weird week. I

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mean, like, somebody ran into we
have a retaining wall on the

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front of our house and oh,

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no, you're on that street? I
think right. The busy street.

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Yes. really busy. Somebody
evidently just like backed into

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our retaining wall and not like
just knocked a big chunk of it

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down. There's crap laying
everywhere like bricks. And he

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didn't leave a note. No, no, I
did.

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I did. Even our truck probably
wouldn't even know it.

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Yeah. So now we have like, we
got to clean it up and all

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stuff. And we have a rooster
growing in our backyard. We got

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chickens. A few weeks, you know,
but about three or four months

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ago. Yeah. And now we're waking
up every morning to the to the

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rooster. So one of them's a
rooster and he's crowing

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so it feels just like Miami. It
does. It's like deja vu man.

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What time does he wake up said
rooster.

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Typically right now about 730

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Oh, that sounds good. All right.
No.

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Too bad. He's got to go though.

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He has to go.

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Hmm. He's going to freezer he's
going to freezer camp.

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That can eat a rooster. I guess
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Oh, you can eat anything? Yeah.
Well, thanks, Dave.

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Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Alabama. I
know that about you.

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Let's squirrel me again.

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Yeah, Hey, man, just before the
show started, something really

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amazing popped up. has one of
the past a pod been fixed on the

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Import? I don't

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know. I'm gonna try it

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out, though. I can't. I'm
getting excited. I'm trying to

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temper myself.

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I feel like Ben would not have
put that in the change log.

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Unless he was really confident
in it. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Yeah. No,

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I mean, that's bold. That's a
bold state. He's import is

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fixed. Oh, okay. All right.
We're gonna take

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man, I so hope so. Um, it's
interesting. I got an email from

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Darren O'Neal. And, and he said,
You know, I was looking at the

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RSS feed for no agenda and
podcasting. 2.0. Are you aware

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there's no value block in your
feed? And I thought, Wow. Well,

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you know, that's interesting,
because Darren is very smart

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guy. how poorly we've
communicated What's going on?

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Now this works.

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That may be the theme of the
show today is is our poor

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communication.

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Yeah, well, we have taken steps
to to start to get better. But

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this is a, you know, sometimes
happens, you know, we get so

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wrapped in everything. And we
wrapped up and we're moving

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forward, we're steaming ahead.
And then something that's

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already working like, okay,
that's fine. It's just it is,

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and we don't go back and explain
it. And I think it's worth just

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saying for a moment that the
basic building blocks of podcast

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index is the podcast namespace.
So that's what we're calling

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podcasting 2.0. And all of the
individual tags that are

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enhancements to the traditional
ardunio to the RSS spec and feed

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as we know it. And because not a
single hosting company, as far

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as I know, provides a way for
you to put that into your feed

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the value block. And we knew
that would either take a long

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time and maybe never happened.
We created the shim at podcast

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index.org, which is where we
store all the information of all

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4 million plus feeds. And the
cool thing about the index is

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that anyone can anyone anyone
with some skills can create an

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app without having to do all the
heavy lifting, and they get all

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of that information from the
index and incomes the value

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block. Even if it's not in the
feed, we add that in In addition

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to what the apps are pulling out
of that, however, if you put the

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value block in your RSS feed,
that's always considered the

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source of truth. And so that
will override anything that's in

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there. It's also in future, if
you change it, if you change

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your value blocked, and that
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the index as well. we foresee
that few hosting companies will

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do this. for any number of
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I can think of a few. So that's
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really it's just glue is just a
piece of glue. But you can

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override that at any point.

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Yep. And it works. It worked
fine right now, because all of

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the value enabled apps, all the
apps that are providing

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streaming lightning payments,
are listening. They're all using

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us anyway. So there's no
disconnect there. They can get

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and it's this this will this all
works by having the index

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temporarily how's all this
information in the temporary is

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in quotes, because we don't know
how long it's gonna last. That

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you know, temporarily housing
all that information. I've got a

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couple of

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so that so that's how we can get
away with not having it in our

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feed. Right. And although with
Casta pod, I hope to be able to

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author the most badass feeds.

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No, yeah, anyone's ever seen
this on their feature list.

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badass. Yes. I wonder what that
is in French. Hold on. It's

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something dairy air. Yeah. Well,
you know, the whole point of

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Casta pod is to get the world of
podcasting speaking French, so

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we might as well help them here.
That would be Dude, I

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Korea. g they've already they've
already got Canada, but that's

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just that just don't count.

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Do I cute? Hold on. I'm
practicing.

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Do you like here? Do you
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badass? Somehow badass. sounds
better? Does a queer badass.

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Maybe just me.

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I like it. It's not hard to
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comes pretty.

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I mean, it's part it's part of
the culture. They get angry with

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and they're not really angry.
And they just emotional like

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Italians a bit. They can also be
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Oh, if you want to jump into you
want to hit some clips right

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off. Something it may be
apropos. Okay. This is a couple

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of clips in here from the mere
mortals podcast. Yeah. And I

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also want to play something from
jack Dorsey here. So I mere

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mortals as a couple of pretty
cool Australian dudes. Yeah,

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sounds like I'm assuming they're
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assuming they live in Australia.
Yeah, but their podcast they had

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a whole episode recently on
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No way. That's cool. Oh, we need
you know what, go figure. We

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need more of that.

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Yes, we do. So once you just hit
mere mortals one, do you know

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what podcasting? 2.0 is? Have
you heard? What I know? I have

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not what? So this is a ton of
bullshit. Yay for the

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communication strategy. It's
working beautifully

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as planned.

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Yes, on point. The whole the
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in there. They're great guys.
And there's eventually I think

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they figured it out at this
point. But like one of the whole

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themes of this episode where
they're talking about it is

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trying to figure out how to make
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painful to let God bless

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them god bless him for that
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painful.

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Yeah, because these are these
sound like guys that have a

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little bit of knowledge of
cryptocurrency sort of some

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tangent, he likes them. I don't
know whatever you call that sort

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of surface II type now and gent
tangential. Yeah, but I don't

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think that's the right word.
Okay. But I think they have some

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cursory, cursory gotcha cursory
knowledge of of crypto and

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lightning and Bitcoin and all
these kind of know what it is

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but they don't have any of it
worked. And so when they get in

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and try to actually do this on
looking at with satoshis dot

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stream, in that in that kind of
thing. You and they they finally

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get that port work in but then
they're like okay, well let's go

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and listen to some podcasts and
stream money back to these

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podcasts. We just said, Oh,
okay, no, then it would then it

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was like,

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Ah ha ha ha moment moment. Oh,
cool. No, no, not a no, no, no.

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They didn't get it. Oh, no, they

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were like, no, this does not
work. Okay. correctly, we tried

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and tried and tried and could
not get it to work. And I wonder

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how much of this has to do with
them being in Australia?

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Everything, everything, penal
colony.

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Okay, let me let me rephrase
that a little bit.

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nuclear testing wasteland

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play mere mortals? Three. How
much do we actually have? We

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have zero satoshis now account
for both of them.

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Focus now 100 million satoshis
make some Bitcoin. So we've got

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shital

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again, it's better than negative
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Are they recording this outside
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interesting vibe I gave in the
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Australia just sounds like that
you can't get rid of it. It's

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like the background radiation
and extra effects everything.

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Anyway, so they're they're
really struggling with figuring

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out trying to figure out how to
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Firstly, I love their attitude.
So they have a podcast app that

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is compatible that has a
understands value for value, and

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they have zero satoshis. That's
their starting point. Okay.

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Well, yeah, well, they set up
their mere mortals podcast to

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receive satoshis using Satoshi
de stream. Okay, that's what has

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zero in the balance. I see.
Okay. Yeah. So, but they they

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sent us a boot boost message, or
a boost edge. Yeah, they sent us

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one of those. And so they,
they've evidently figured out

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how to get some stats go. And at
some point, evidently after

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this, this episode, so they
something worked. But I guess

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the whole point is we've we've
really, I think what we're

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doing, especially with the new
website that's come in is the on

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ramps for the podcaster side,
are now pretty easy. So we'll

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have you know, you get satoshis
dot stream, you can fire up a

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voltage node, which can, you
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suppose your stream is dead
simple. This system that we're

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trying to build on lm pay is
going to be very simple. So

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those two onboard ramps are
good. They're custodial. So

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they're really simple. Now, the
on the listener side, that port

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is, is harder than it should be.
And it's not been explained.

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Well. Correct. Agree.

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Yeah, of course. Well, I mean,
it's not it's never been

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explained, quite honestly. Yeah,
I mean, there's, there's places

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where we've written stuff and
but is it clear? Is there a

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path? Is there a funky ass video
with someone explaining what's

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going on now?

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I would like to, I would like to
explain it from start to finish

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and you can you can critique me
and tell me if

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you're doing your podcast
movement pitch. I like it. I

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like it. I'm all in on this.
Yes. Dave is representing us at

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podcast movement.

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Okay, you're going to be very if
that's your if you're going into

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it that way. You can be very
depressed when I get finished.

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can I can I just be podcaster?
Who? What level podcaster am I

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and I can do that. I can ask

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these questions of mere mortals
guys. Well, these

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guys are smart, but they're,
they have a good attitude. So

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they're, they're not like nah,
this sucks. Okay, so I have a

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good attitude as well. All
right. Okay,

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let's say you are named
Jennifer. That's uh, your

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team Jennifer knows this stuff
forwards and backwards we

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talking about?

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I thought I didn't think she
know anything about Bitcoin.

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Oh, you can explain Bitcoin?

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No, no. Okay. All right. You
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that guy. Because he knows too
much. Just give me the pitch.

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I know what you don't worry
about me. Okay.

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You, Okay, I got it. You're my
wife. She'd lose zero about

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this. Alright, so here's,
here's, I'm going to tell you

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how I do it. And then you can
then you can I'm going to

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explain it to you then you can
see what happens. I'm going to

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the first thing I do is fire up
this is literally what I'm going

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to use. I'm going to use a pot
friend, theropod friend tap on

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wallet. It's gonna ask me it's
going to ask you if you want to

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enable the wallet you can say
Yeah. And then it's going to ask

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you how many sets you want to
deposit now sad is a piece of a

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Bitcoin 100 millionth of a
Bitcoin.

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What's that in real money?

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A 10th out 1000 SATs is like
three bucks. Okay, so that's

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your city say you want to put
three bucks in there so you hit

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the hit the 10,000 SATs is going
to pop up a QR code Now at this

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point, what I do is you have to
test an invoice, you have to pay

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it. So in order to get those
sets into pod friend, you have

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to go and pay it from where
you're set are,

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I just want to stop you there
for a second, this is a moment

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that we should all should
realize the term invoice usually

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means the money is leaving you
to a vendor. So that has been

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not as seriously we had this
problem with subscriptions early

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in podcasts, people like oh,
cost money. Now it's just a

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subscription. what's what's
wrong with the out? So it's

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falling apart already? No, no,
no, no, this, but I'm refining

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and refining. Alright. And so
maybe you say this is an

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invoice, and the way you pay
each other on the lightning

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network is and how you transfer
money, maybe that's a better

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term, the way you transfer
money, either from someone else

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or to yourself is through this
invoicing system. How about

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that?

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Huh? Okay, then you had to
explain lightning network,

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because that's when they're
gonna say what's lightning

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network?

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Well, what's okay? All right,
I'll be quiet, I'm taking the

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backseat.

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Well, okay, so assuming that you
have some Bitcoin somewhere,

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okay. You have, you will need to
pay that into your new wallet

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here in the podcast app so that
you can so that that app can

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then stream those satoshis SATs,
the 100 minutes of a Bitcoin can

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stream those little bits of of
Bitcoin back to the podcaster.

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This, this QR code is how where
you have your SATs is going to

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is going to be able to know
where to send them, which is

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your new your podcast and wallet
that you just created. So the

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way I do it is I do it with
strike. That's a that's an app

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where you can buy bitcoin with a
debit card. And so I, I'm going

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to flip over to my strike app,
I'm going to paste the little QR

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code that I that I that I copied
and paste it into my strike app.

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And then that will send that
much money over to that much

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Bitcoin over to my podcast or
wallet. I'm not sure

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whenever I talk about strike, I
usually say imagine it's like

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Venmo for Bitcoin.

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Hmm, good one. Okay.

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So this because that's the
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Bitcoin

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all of that scenario right there
right there assumes already had

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strike set up. And that I'm in a
country that strike exists in

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which to my knowledge is only
the United States and El

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Salvador. Yeah. And so this is
why I'm saying I'm wondering if

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some of this has to do with
being in Australia because they

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they don't have easy access.

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They don't have strike of course
in Australia.

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The way the way that that I
typically do it through strike

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is simple because I set up the
set at the debit card with

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strike in it's just in that way
it's just like cash app or

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whatever those any of those
other things you put your debit

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card in there if you do that as
zero fee so you can occasionally

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I'll just hit I'll just take 20
bucks off my debit card into

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strike and then I'll refill my
podcast or wallet and these

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various apps off of that strike
pressure but if you don't have

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strike you I don't know where
you go well

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of the well there's other
wallets I think that are

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available that will also allow
you to buy bitcoin just can't

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connect it to your to your bank
account.

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Can so like Are there other
services out there that will let

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you go straight to lightning
from a debit card? No. Okay, no.

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I mean, the breeze app allows
you to purchase satoshis through

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its moon pay integration. Blue
wallet also allows you to

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purchase Bitcoin I think all of
them have a

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partner. Are those on chain
transactions?

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Yeah, yeah. Everything is almost
a Let me see. So breeze if you

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go to breeze

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because that's where the fees
are gonna get you. Is it here?

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Yes.

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Yes. That's why strike is so
fantastic. But yeah, absolutely.

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You that's where the fees are
gonna get you. You're right.

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Because that's one

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of the things they talked about
in this episode was like, okay,

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it's gonna cost me 20 bucks to
get five bucks to send to this

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broadcaster. So into a service
that was on chain.

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Right, well, that's a rip off
service. Yeah. Do I wonder what

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they were using? Did you catch
what they were using to do that

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yet? No, I didn't. I didn't.

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So I'm like Looking at Blue
wallet right now, which I, which

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I happen to like. And let me
see. Let me see if I want to

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purchase, where does it go?

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Now your embrace?

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No, no, you're in blue here in
blue. Yeah, I'm in Yeah,

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exactly. Tools. None of it is
none of it is really clear, to

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be honest.

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That here, so this, you know,
this whole thing is a is a

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problem, because we're, we're,
we've gotten the podcaster side

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down to where it's fairly
smooth. I mean, you can onboard

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pretty quickly. Yeah, within
five minutes. But then you're

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you're sitting there with a with
a, you know, functional

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receiver. But there's no,
there's the only people out

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there who are, who are set up to
pay are the people who already

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are intimately familiar with
Bitcoin. And know that because

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they're the only ones that know
how to jump, jump around these

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hoops, and they have figured out
the pathways. And so that that's

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a problem.

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It's an education problem.

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It is an education problem, and
also may be just a logistical

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problem of if you're in a

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country that doesn't have
strike. Yeah. Right. So where's

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strike available? I know it's
available in El Salvador. So we

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got a podcast market there.
Yeah. Yeah. Strike? ln, I think

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it was it may strike me. Right.

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Yeah. I mean, that that's really
the slickest onboarding there

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is. So it'd be wonderful if
that. You know, if that was

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either everywhere, or if there
was some other similar type

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service? strike me?

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Yeah, well, more and more
exchanges are starting to

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support lightning directly. But
there's still the the purchase

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and I know that strike has
incredible, incredibly low fees

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for purchasing. So I mean, of
course, the best way to get

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satoshis on the lightning
network is to burn satoshis on

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the lightning network. But this
is why I would really and you

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know, we have a we're going to
talk about this on a call, I

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think Monday, I'm going to talk
about our the new site, etc.

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This is why I'm going to be a
strong proponent of maybe giving

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away a million satoshis to our
to our app developers per week,

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maybe even so that they can
preload the next 100 accounts.

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Because if you come in and like
Oh, crap, I've got 10,000 SATs

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here, I can start streaming. And
in the meantime, you can figure

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out how to get more. You know,
that to me is like the classic

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drug pusher model. Seriously,
seriously? Let's be honest about

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it. You give them a free taste.
And then people like oh, well,

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that was fun. Ah, okay. How do I
get more? At that point? No, not

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now. Now you've once you
experience the whole thing, it's

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already pretty cool.

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Yeah, once you once you
experience it, it's pretty fun.

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And so and you get used to it
really quick. But then you know

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that but then where do they go
to refill? That's what they're

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in the EU.

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Well, the EU has wallets that
you get, but they don't have

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they don't have lightning
onboarding, like simple.

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No, no, no, that's nowhere. No,
that's nowhere. You're gonna

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have to go you've got to have to
enter the Bitcoin ecosystem.

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There's just no two ways about
it.

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Yeah. This is the whole
onboarding problem that we've

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tried to ignore for a while.

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Honestly. I completely forgot
this was a problem I

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need to do until I heard this
episode.

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Now there's, on the other hand,
there's a pretty pretty cool

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outfit in Europe, it's in the
Netherlands. And it's what is

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it? It's bit me something.
Bitcoin, let me see where it is.

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Or I can't remember the name of
this place. A bit nice. It's

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Dutch. It's European and, and
they and they allow you to

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connect to your bank account
through the I've even forgot the

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name of the European payment
network. You payment network. It

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hasn't. It's another fine
acronym. I'm really failing on

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this. Anyway, so they have a
system that you can tie right

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into, and as long as you're
properly credentialed, you can

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do a you know, you can send off
chain to, you know, to do a

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lightning wallet, and then from
there, you can transfer it into

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your podcast wallet. Now on the
other hand, And I have a feeling

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that Twitter and cash app may
start making this easier for us.

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I think so too, did you? I've
got that clip from jack Dorsey,

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if you want to play it, yeah,
definitely.

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Here we go.

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And also, if you consider
something like Bitcoin existing

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before, YouTube, before Twitter
before Facebook, a lot of the

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business models that we have
today would not be the same, we

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would not, we would certainly
not have the dependency we have

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on the advertising business
model, if Bitcoin existed pre

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Twitter. And I think the amount
of business models that enables

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the amount of innovation enables
going forward, especially when

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you consider the whole internet
instead of going country, by

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country, by country by country,
which you have to whenever

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you're doing real climate
finance. It really just opens

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the aperture. And

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whenever he speaks, my eyes
glaze over.

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He's not a very entertaining
speaker.

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Oh, no, not at all.

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Come on, jack. His direction is
clear, though. And this is this

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is something why when people
when we talk about Bitcoin

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stuff, half half of the or, you
know, listeners eyes glaze over.

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Sure, sure. But I think I would
like to make a plea that that

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people begin to try to engage
with this stuff. Because the

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reason that we are even the
reason we've been doing this

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stuff we've been doing with
Bitcoin and lightning and micro

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payments, and podcasting, is
because of what jack Dorsey just

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said, Yeah, there is a section
of the tech world that is

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actively embracing Bitcoin. And
there's real big money behind

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it. And it is going to be a
piece of the future when it

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comes to this stuff. I mean,
Twitter is clear, as they've

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already said that they're, I
mean, they're going to do it.

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Yeah, they are going to
integrate tipping and that kind

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of stuff into Twitter, with with
Bitcoin. So this future is

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coming. And so it would make
sense to begin to, to try to

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understand it, right now a core,
like, we're willing to just

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throw stuff out there. And, and
just trust off, you know, and

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have it fail and, and have all
these kind of crazy things

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happen. And nobody understand
what we're talking about. We're

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willing to do that, like a
company like Twitter or

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something like that. They're,
they're not just gonna roll some

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half assed thing down there,
like we, we do. From unlikely,

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right, they're gonna wait till
it's completely slick and

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polished, and all that kind of
stuff. But, but the benefit of,

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of the way that we've done it
sort of getting out here and

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taking the arrows, is it it, it
lets people understand what's

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actually going on under the
surface when those real things

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hit. And then when the when the,
when the big players actually

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roll out the slick system and
get you into the big one game,

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you already understand what's
happening and what the

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implications are for all the
other industries you care about,

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like podcasting.

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And, you know, I'm just thinking
about this the way that app

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developers on boarded people
with lightning wallets. Do you

443
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:25,500
know how that was done
initially, which just recently

444
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,160
was stopped or was stopped with
anything on the app store? was

445
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,390
through roulette wheel.

446
00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:34,200
Oh, like a like a faucet type
deal?

447
00:28:34,349 --> 00:28:38,519
Yeah, you know, how about that?
Crap. There's an idea. Why don't

448
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:43,109
we just do a faucet that we can
lock off and Oh, hold on. Oh, my

449
00:28:43,109 --> 00:28:49,349
God. Bam. Call Tim quick. This
is what we need to do. We'll do

450
00:28:49,349 --> 00:28:50,729
an lm pay faucet.

451
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:53,580
Yeah, which Tim shutting down
the faucet?

452
00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:58,530
Well, he has to keep the faucet
open. Okay, think about it. So

453
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,100
we can put X amount in and then
you know, per per person that

454
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:10,140
shows up per wallet address. You
can get X amount per day or

455
00:29:10,140 --> 00:29:13,140
week, I think it's completely
configurable or one time ever.

456
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,590
Last night, it's been a while
since I played with a faucet.

457
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:21,690
And so you could do it that way.
And someone's gonna have to

458
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:27,150
grease the wheels. And it is my
belief that whatever we hand out

459
00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:31,740
to get this going will come back
to us tenfold. I mean, that's

460
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,940
just always seen things work
that way in my life. So it's not

461
00:29:35,940 --> 00:29:41,040
like you and I or or Eric are
pining over you know $300 Yeah,

462
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:43,890
now that's we're not taking any
money so we might as well put

463
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,440
some of it back and see if we
can grease the wheels get people

464
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,530
excited get people started. This
is also how Bitcoin started with

465
00:29:49,530 --> 00:29:52,680
faucets. People I remember it
wasn't a false Yeah,

466
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:56,580
there wasn't a drip like way
early like back in like 2020 you

467
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:57,840
know 11 or something later

468
00:29:58,109 --> 00:30:01,499
on and honestly, you and I have
good Given people more satoshis,

469
00:30:01,499 --> 00:30:05,489
than we probably would want to
calculate, just by sending stuff

470
00:30:05,489 --> 00:30:08,399
to get started, we got a lot of
the developer started that way.

471
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:12,630
I don't want to see the number
of satoshis, I've given away for

472
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:13,650
very large, right.

473
00:30:14,219 --> 00:30:18,329
But you see my point. So your
point is very well made. And it

474
00:30:18,329 --> 00:30:22,499
can be kind of exciting. Because
we then we can also kind of

475
00:30:22,499 --> 00:30:29,609
track onboarding. And and if the
value for value system is what I

476
00:30:29,609 --> 00:30:35,369
think it is, then I believe that
the support will come back. And

477
00:30:35,369 --> 00:30:39,119
we can make that circular, we
can make that kind of a flow, a

478
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:43,739
limited onboarding flow that
we'll see if it works. I mean,

479
00:30:43,739 --> 00:30:46,949
what do we have to lose? 1000
bucks, you know, I'm willing to

480
00:30:46,949 --> 00:30:52,499
put 1000 bucks up front and see
if it works. Yeah, that's,

481
00:30:52,589 --> 00:30:54,989
that's a good idea. And it makes
it easy for everybody. Right? It

482
00:30:54,989 --> 00:30:57,599
makes it easy for the app
developers etc.

483
00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:01,650
Wonder if it doesn't have to be
just us to wonder if other you

484
00:31:01,650 --> 00:31:05,700
know, other people in the system
would be willing to get you

485
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,640
know, donate some stats to the
to the faucet to get degrees

486
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,330
that way, there's another

487
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:12,870
great idea, open it up for
incoming as donations. Great

488
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:18,300
idea. And think about this. So
why wouldn't it be as follows. I

489
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:23,190
fire up a pod friend, I go to
the wallet. I say, you know, I'm

490
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:26,160
new here. Hey, you're new here.
Yeah, I'm new. We're gonna give

491
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,940
you some satoshis to give you
the vibe. And the next time you

492
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:33,900
go here, and then you click on
on new or whatever, it flips

493
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,520
open the camera for you to scan
from the faucet right away.

494
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,490
Oh, yeah, yeah.

495
00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:46,590
Now that's experienced go to
this website. Now the marketing

496
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:50,640
opportunity, which may be go to
this website, and that's where

497
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,370
we say hey, if you live in this
country, get strike, you know,

498
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:57,600
or follow these instructions to
get get some lightning wallet,

499
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:59,340
etc, etc. How about that?

500
00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:02,670
Yeah, I like it. I like I like
these ideas.

501
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:05,310
Well, that's why there's three
of us, darling.

502
00:32:08,099 --> 00:32:11,429
Yeah, cuz I'm just like fretting
over this all night. Like, like,

503
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:15,719
Nobody. Nobody can outside the
US can can easily get on this

504
00:32:15,719 --> 00:32:18,959
train. I mean, like, it isn't. I
was depressed.

505
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,180
Well, Oh, okay. So well, that's
just again, that's why there's

506
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,510
three of us. I mean, I see this
like, okay, cool problem. Let's

507
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:31,500
solve this shit. Now. Right
away. Where's my soldering iron?

508
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,820
What? Did you see? Evo Tara's
website?

509
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:38,100
No, I did not. I did not.

510
00:32:38,609 --> 00:32:42,539
He has changed. And this is a
big deal. I'm going in right

511
00:32:42,539 --> 00:32:48,629
now. podcast. pontifications
calm. He has changed his his

512
00:32:48,629 --> 00:32:52,409
homepage where the little listen
everywhere thing. Instead of

513
00:32:52,409 --> 00:32:55,769
just mean like, Spotify, Apple
and anywhere else. You get your

514
00:32:55,769 --> 00:32:57,629
podcasts. He now has.

515
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:03,840
Oh, crap. I see Reis pocket cast
pod verse. Oh, nice. Nice. Yep,

516
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,050
he's

517
00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:09,059
putting some 2.0 apps on there.
Go Evo. Yeah, he contact me

518
00:33:09,059 --> 00:33:11,039
earlier this week. It was like,
Hey, man, check out check out

519
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,779
what I'm doing. I was like, man,
bless you. That's beautiful.

520
00:33:15,779 --> 00:33:16,019
Yeah,

521
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:20,820
it is. That's fantastic. Well, I
think this is a good idea. And I

522
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:23,550
know Tim's listening. So
hopefully, he'll he'll he'll

523
00:33:23,550 --> 00:33:24,960
keep a drip open for us.

524
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,770
Because Because drip should come
straight through the apps,

525
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:29,100
right?

526
00:33:30,329 --> 00:33:33,239
No, no. So the way it should
work is, first of all, there's

527
00:33:33,239 --> 00:33:38,099
an address to donate to fill it
up. And then let's just say, you

528
00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:42,719
know, a new a new podcast, a new
podcast, or can go or it doesn't

529
00:33:42,719 --> 00:33:45,629
even matter. Forget about new
just you can go there. And you

530
00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:50,339
say fill up my wallet from the
drip in the app. And it is ready

531
00:33:50,339 --> 00:33:55,499
to accept a an image of a QR
code, which is how the witches

532
00:33:55,499 --> 00:33:58,559
how the drip works, because it's
kind of the reverse in that

533
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,309
case. I mean, you're you're
scanning something, and then and

534
00:34:02,309 --> 00:34:06,209
then it pops up. Whatever you're
allowed to take up to take out

535
00:34:06,209 --> 00:34:10,049
and you just kind of confirm it.
Yeah, yes. At least the last

536
00:34:10,049 --> 00:34:11,969
time I did it something, you
know what, I don't know what I'm

537
00:34:11,969 --> 00:34:14,489
talking about. I have to I'd
have to do it again. But I do

538
00:34:14,489 --> 00:34:19,049
know how fast it works. And, and
I do know you can limit it. It

539
00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:23,309
and you know, so let's say you
can take out, you know, a couple

540
00:34:23,309 --> 00:34:26,879
1000 1000 SATs even just to get
you rolling. And maybe you can

541
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:30,659
come back a day a week later.
You know, give give people a

542
00:34:30,659 --> 00:34:34,199
little bit of an experience at
very low cost and this is what's

543
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,499
beautiful. It's like 1000
satoshis. It just feels good.

544
00:34:38,249 --> 00:34:40,649
Forget that it's you know, 30
cents, that's not the point.

545
00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:43,770
Now like it, okay,

546
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:46,860
this this is this is good.
Alright, so now that I've fixed

547
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:49,020
onboarding for you anything else
I can do a diff.

548
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,200
You can fix a lot more than that
would be what it would be

549
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,750
welcome. If you could fix
duplicates in the index for me.

550
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:58,800
That would be fantastic.

551
00:34:58,830 --> 00:34:59,970
How bad is this problem?

552
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:08,400
Eating up a lot of my time right
now. Okay. You have to define

553
00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:22,200
bad, because it's not terrible.
But it's it's a problem. That

554
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,960
that's my way of not answering
the question because I don't

555
00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:29,520
honestly know. Because if you
just look at the amount of

556
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,860
duplicates in there, I mean,
there's been, there's quite a

557
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:39,090
few. Can you put an estimated
number on that? I can't read.

558
00:35:39,090 --> 00:35:41,310
There's really no way to do
that. Because

559
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:45,990
it's enough that at least one
person per day finds a dupe

560
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:49,470
lately. Lately,

561
00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:53,160
lately, yeah, that's this, this,
it's relatively new.

562
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:55,770
This isn't a pod people duping
us, is it?

563
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,080
No, no, this isn't pod pain. So
this all boils down to how you

564
00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:02,670
how you find what,

565
00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:05,040
what do you do? plication? Is
Yeah.

566
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,260
Okay. So there's a few different
scenarios here. You can say,

567
00:36:11,010 --> 00:36:13,560
like, if you were to go in there
and say, okay, find me all the

568
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:14,640
all the

569
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,930
Can I back here for a second?
How does? How does duplication

570
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:21,990
occur outside of the index in
the first place? How can there

571
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:25,200
be two feeds of the same
podcast?

572
00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:33,660
Okay, so there's three different
ways you can have multiple, you

573
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:37,200
know, multiple pod multiple
feeds that are actually the same

574
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,540
podcast. That can happen a
couple of different ways you can

575
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:48,000
happen through a move from one
host to another, but they never

576
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,200
set a redirect. So they have a
feed that exists and is still

577
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,070
working on one host. And they
moved in imported their feed

578
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:59,760
into another host. And that one
is also still working. Now you

579
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,690
have two working feeds that are
the exact same podcast, but they

580
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:06,270
never linked to each other
through a through a redirect.

581
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:08,490
That

582
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:12,120
was the end and they're both
updating simultaneously, and

583
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:12,780
they're equal.

584
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:20,400
Some will not have not on a host
move typically. That that is

585
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,660
tip. That's an area you you just
gave is what happened on

586
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:27,810
platforms, like WordPress is bad
about this where you have

587
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:31,020
multiple URLs that give you the
same fee. Ah,

588
00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:35,220
yes, the URL problem. Okay, God,
that's why it is so important.

589
00:37:35,759 --> 00:37:39,809
Yeah. So you would have like,
let's just say example.com slash

590
00:37:39,809 --> 00:37:44,339
podcast slash feed. And then you
would have example.com slash

591
00:37:44,339 --> 00:37:48,029
podcast, slash feed dot XML,

592
00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:51,420
you could also have
podcast.example.com.

593
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:57,240
Yeah, exactly. And so you could
have, literally five ways to get

594
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:00,360
the exact same RSS feed with
different URLs.

595
00:38:00,509 --> 00:38:02,669
And this would be because
submissions have been made in

596
00:38:02,669 --> 00:38:05,819
different times different
places, it's all user error, I'm

597
00:38:05,819 --> 00:38:06,299
sure.

598
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:13,980
Most in that specific case, yes.
in that, in that case, it is

599
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:19,290
typically just a, just a user
configuration problem, or, or

600
00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:22,380
the plugin that's that's
creating the thing is doing

601
00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:25,110
stuff that the user doesn't
understand, and is not

602
00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:31,350
documented properly. So in that
scenario, those are fairly easy

603
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:34,860
to find, because we can compare
what's called the C hash. And to

604
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:40,500
see hash just takes key pieces
of the RSS feed, and, and most

605
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:44,430
of them down into a hash value,
it does a comparison. And we can

606
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:46,710
Yeah, we can find that those two
things are the same. And that

607
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:53,310
thing is running daily. And it
finds and squashes duplicate

608
00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:57,120
feeds. Now the one thing that
was not doing and this became a

609
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:02,250
problem this week with Mitch at
pod first pod verse is that that

610
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:07,470
process was not linking from if
it squat, if it marked the feet

611
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:11,100
as dead, it was not then putting
a cross reference back to the

612
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,000
original that it was a duplicate
of. So somebody was subscribed

613
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:18,570
to the duplicate, they would
lose it on poverty or they would

614
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:22,740
lose their subscription. So we
fixed that when we've got that

615
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:25,530
part working. So that part
should be fine. The ones that

616
00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:28,500
are the most harm. The ones that
are the most difficult to find

617
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:37,110
are the ones where where the
Thiede is the same. It's the

618
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:41,370
same podcast, I should say this
is the same podcast the feed but

619
00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:44,040
the feed is slightly different.
And it exists on two different

620
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,560
platforms, but for legitimate
reasons. And it's not just

621
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,930
a private a private feed or so
called private feed. Yes. Yeah.

622
00:39:56,730 --> 00:40:01,590
And this is a good example of
this would be You have podcast,

623
00:40:01,740 --> 00:40:05,490
and you're you've got to feed
this meant to the public, then

624
00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:09,090
you've also got another feed
being served from a different

625
00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:12,150
platform that may have slightly
different content in it. But

626
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:16,050
it's essentially the same show.
And your that, but that feed is

627
00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:21,210
only meant for this one platform
to ingest meant for public

628
00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:21,810
consumption,

629
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,610
how the hell does that even
happen?

630
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,830
Well, it happens more frequently
than I realized. And

631
00:40:28,830 --> 00:40:31,350
we don't know who the culprit
are, is there one common

632
00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:34,470
denominator of platform that
people are creating new feeds

633
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:34,860
for?

634
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,260
Now, this seems to be sort of
sort of just a gun thing in

635
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:44,940
some, you know, in some groups,
and I mean, they all understand

636
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:51,150
that their feet is public. But
there's not a great way to

637
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,680
specify which fields should be
consumed by which platforms. So

638
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:58,860
one of the things we're going to
do with the next namespace phase

639
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:01,860
four is the block tag. So that
would solve this. Yes, it would.

640
00:41:01,860 --> 00:41:02,070
Yeah.

641
00:41:02,070 --> 00:41:03,720
So don't import this one. Right.

642
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,740
Right. And that's not a
censorship thing. That's just a,

643
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,750
the ingestion point control
thing to say, hey, this beat

644
00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:15,900
over here is only, like, some
people want to create a feed,

645
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:19,500
it's only meant to be brought in
by, let's just say, a heart

646
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:24,030
radio. So it really has stuff in
it, this just doesn't make any

647
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:28,500
sense for other things. And so
pulling it in as a duplicate of

648
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:32,940
their of their public feed, is,
is a problem, you're gonna end

649
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:35,640
up with two of the same thing,
and it's gonna be hard to

650
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,670
differentiate them, and they're
not gonna make any sense. So,

651
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:42,810
the one way, until we get to
that, two things would solve

652
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:46,050
that the block tag and the gu
ID, those would both solve it.

653
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:50,460
But until we get there, the
thing I'm working on right now,

654
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:52,620
is image comparison,

655
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:55,560
a very novel way of doing it. I
like that.

656
00:41:56,370 --> 00:41:57,390
Yeah, I hope it works.

657
00:41:58,620 --> 00:42:03,270
So you're literally comparing
real images, you're doing AI

658
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,540
image processing to find
duplicates to see if the album

659
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:08,910
art is the same in multiple
fields?

660
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,680
Yeah, yeah, basically, just,
it's not even a is like a, it's

661
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,810
a just a brute force, sort of,
you take these two images,

662
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,500
resize them to be the same size,
and then do a diff between the

663
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:30,810
images. With some with some,
with some fuzzing and that kind

664
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:33,030
of thing to take care of anti
aliasing that comes from the

665
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:37,470
resizing you do you end up what
you do with it. And then it

666
00:42:37,470 --> 00:42:42,030
spits out, you know, a value
that's like, Okay, this is this

667
00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:45,540
image number one, is this much
percent different than image

668
00:42:45,540 --> 00:42:49,050
number two. And then you would
just have some sort of threshold

669
00:42:49,050 --> 00:42:52,650
there, let's just say less if
it's 15%, or less similar.

670
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:57,270
And who knows what these numbers
are yet, but then you say, Okay,

671
00:42:57,270 --> 00:43:01,770
well, this is probably a
duplicate. If you had unlimited

672
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:07,170
human intelligence to do this,
would that be an easier, more

673
00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:11,010
accurate and perhaps faster way
to do it? Oh, yeah. And the

674
00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:14,670
reason I asked is because Paul,
many times has said, you know,

675
00:43:14,850 --> 00:43:19,500
stack works can do this, we can
help you d dupe? You I mean,

676
00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:22,950
what would it cost? You know, I
don't know, and how would you do

677
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:26,550
it? How did you start it a go
down the list?

678
00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:31,440
I mean, I've got no clue, I
guess just one, like one feed

679
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,150
idea after another.

680
00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:37,320
Well, this is not unique. As
you're aware, Google has just

681
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,910
recently given people the
opportunity to select which feed

682
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:45,480
is important for which they want
Google to surface when someone

683
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,150
is looking for and specifically
an RSS feed.

684
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,539
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they may have
picked up the wrong one.

685
00:43:52,170 --> 00:43:56,250
Or they may have multiple. Yep.
And so if that's the way we're

686
00:43:56,610 --> 00:43:59,220
doing it, if that's the way
Google's doing it, I'm just, I'm

687
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:01,380
just gonna go out, there's like,
Wow, I can't believe they didn't

688
00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:02,850
come up with the image search
idea.

689
00:44:04,469 --> 00:44:07,859
Well, I don't know they may have
because like, the one, somebody

690
00:44:07,859 --> 00:44:12,629
that contacted me yesterday, had
this issue. So they have three

691
00:44:12,629 --> 00:44:16,109
copies of the same feed. One was
meant for a rate for some sort

692
00:44:16,109 --> 00:44:18,719
of like radio network or
something, and one was meant for

693
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,109
public and one was meant for
something else. So two of them

694
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:26,669
needed to be removed needed to
be removed. They all had a very

695
00:44:26,669 --> 00:44:30,779
similar image. I mean, the image
was the same essentially, but it

696
00:44:30,779 --> 00:44:32,969
was just resized and cropped a
little differently, but it was

697
00:44:32,969 --> 00:44:37,709
essentially the same picture.
And they, they said that, for

698
00:44:37,709 --> 00:44:41,459
some reason. They said that
Google properly ingested their

699
00:44:41,459 --> 00:44:45,419
thing. Now I have not looked
deep into their feed yet. But

700
00:44:45,419 --> 00:44:49,079
Google may be doing the same
thing. on their site they may be

701
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,529
doing the image sounds like a
huge pain in the ass. It's a

702
00:44:52,529 --> 00:44:53,789
very big pain in the butt yet.

703
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,660
And it is and if you were to put
a percentage 2% 5% of the index

704
00:44:57,660 --> 00:44:58,920
is duplicated. 10

705
00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:03,810
man You know, I really have
really have no clue because I

706
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:05,880
mean, that's like asking how
many cockroaches there are in

707
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,750
New York, I really don't like
any number that I give you,

708
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:13,500
which probably should be made
up. Because you can look it up.

709
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:18,150
So if you look at if you do a
title search and say, Okay, show

710
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:21,600
me every feed in the index,
where the title where there's a

711
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:28,110
title that matches more than one
feed. You get a big number you

712
00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:29,430
get like he's got it's got to be

713
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:30,210
possible.

714
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,149
Yeah. Especially the word
podcast. Yeah. But that means

715
00:45:33,149 --> 00:45:35,879
nothing. I mean, it just means
nothing. I mean, so many people

716
00:45:35,879 --> 00:45:39,479
have the word have the title of
their podcast be, you know,

717
00:45:39,959 --> 00:45:44,549
inspirational stories. I mean,
there's probably 25 of those or

718
00:45:44,549 --> 00:45:47,189
more. And but that means nothing
mean, those are actually

719
00:45:47,189 --> 00:45:51,839
different podcasts now, or a lot
of them have the head. A lot of

720
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,419
them have the word, the title is
just podcast,

721
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:02,040
is there a way to have a hosting
company? I said, pick fireside

722
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:09,150
to interact database to database
to do a dupe check. say okay,

723
00:46:09,150 --> 00:46:14,220
here's everything that I have.
And was by gu ID or URL or

724
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:20,130
whatever it is. Do a check, a
sanity check a dupe check with

725
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:24,990
the podcast index and it goes,
this is Adams fantasy. And then

726
00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:29,190
all of a sudden it says, Okay, I
have these your feeds, here are

727
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:31,890
the ones that I have multiple
entries for. And from there, you

728
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:36,330
can start to make new decisions
and do analysis. Is that

729
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:38,610
technically possible? Is that
another nightmare?

730
00:46:39,930 --> 00:46:44,520
I think it would be sort sort of
possible there, you'd still have

731
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,330
these gray?

732
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:47,820
Because ultimately, we're
talking about, you know, under a

733
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:52,860
million feeds that are really
alive. And if somewhat any, and

734
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:56,430
then answer, you know, as people
are searching for stuff, and if

735
00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:58,890
multiple shows up, you know,
obviously we have to have a way

736
00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:05,460
to direct defy that, which is
partially, I think planned. But

737
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:07,380
I'm just thinking because
buzzsprout, they could roll off

738
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:09,630
80,000. You know, it's like,
okay, we checked them all.

739
00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:13,080
Here's the dupes. And then no
further work needs to be done,

740
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,330
then we call Chris Vaizey. We
give them an opaque opml file

741
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:19,350
and say, oh, what do we do?

742
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:28,470
We get we get a seven gig open.
Maybe? Maybe? I wouldn't I don't

743
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:31,620
I mean, they are databases
downloadable. It's out there.

744
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:33,780
So they could they could do it
themselves. Yeah, they could

745
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,590
just run it. Oh, that well, if
we had a little script. Now I'll

746
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:39,210
whip something up in Python for
him.

747
00:47:40,469 --> 00:47:41,099
Please do

748
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:48,510
native react on top. And and
then we can do the Mongo

749
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:52,890
database sync? Yeah. Okay.
Perfect Mongo to the Congo.

750
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:56,520
When you're finished with that
path and place into Dallas

751
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:57,600
gates, I'm sure he'd want to.

752
00:47:58,739 --> 00:48:00,569
So he can critique my code. No
way.

753
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:04,200
That guy's harsh. critique.
critique is not the word I would

754
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:04,410
use.

755
00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:10,440
I love how Brian of London she
said, Yeah, you're right as

756
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,410
great. Yeah, we need more
whipping, whipping whipping.

757
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,850
This might be that. So this
might be the right time to tell

758
00:48:17,850 --> 00:48:23,610
the the freedom controller, URL
shortener story Andy layman

759
00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:28,530
asked about. So with this all
came up in the context of some

760
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,330
obscure bug that only had been
in the index, I guess it's

761
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:37,560
beginning. I'm trying to
remember what it was that Oh,

762
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,240
remember what it was. So the
sound bites, the code that

763
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:50,610
returns sound bites from feeds
in the API. I was checking, I'm

764
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:54,600
checking to make sure that that
has valid parameters before I

765
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,370
return it. So it was checking to
make sure that it had a duration

766
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,770
and a start time. And for start
time, what I should have been

767
00:49:04,770 --> 00:49:09,420
doing is checking that the start
time existed, but instead I was

768
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:15,240
checking, I was using the Is it
is it empty? And so empty in PHP

769
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:24,240
means is it zero or non
existent? So empty in this in

770
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:24,840
this regard.

771
00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:29,730
So the zero soundbite is the
beginning of the show than zero

772
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:31,500
is not a good number.

773
00:49:31,949 --> 00:49:35,069
is zero would come would say
yes. Empty. Don't don't return.

774
00:49:35,099 --> 00:49:39,899
Got it. So Andy's like, I know.
I'm looking at this soundbite I

775
00:49:39,899 --> 00:49:41,819
know it's in there. But the API
is not returning

776
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:45,480
anything within the first nine
minutes of a show is unclimbable

777
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:50,610
as, as a soundbite. Yeah, I got
I love these problems. That's

778
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:51,480
fantastic.

779
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:53,910
Yeah. And so I mentioned I was
like, well, we had a similar

780
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:58,920
problem with freedom patroller
years ago. And so this one of

781
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:04,260
the things that the freedom
creature does is it has a URL

782
00:50:04,260 --> 00:50:05,550
shortener built into it.

783
00:50:05,699 --> 00:50:07,829
Now, why did we build that URL
shortener

784
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:14,700
for this reason? The URL
shortener, everything in the

785
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:19,380
frame controller is meant to be
owned by you. So you, the whole

786
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:24,210
idea behind it is that it is a
box that holds all of your stuff

787
00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:28,020
that you've ever done, so that
you don't lose it and you own

788
00:50:28,020 --> 00:50:34,650
it. So we said, well, if we're
going to do URL shortener, don't

789
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:39,000
go and start using some service
out there that may disappear

790
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,070
because then you use all you
lose everything,

791
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,210
you lose everything. Yeah.

792
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:46,770
So what the URL shortener, the
delta and freedom troller works

793
00:50:46,770 --> 00:50:53,670
like this. It when you when you
shorten a URL, it creates a

794
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,470
an entry in a bucket if I
remember,

795
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:00,300
Yes, exactly. Right, it creates
an object in an s3 bucket. And

796
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:06,690
it just increments that object
name through hexadecimal each

797
00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:10,260
time. So it starts off with, you
know, 01234567, you know, all

798
00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:15,480
the way through F, and then
rolls over. So you get Excuse

799
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,250
me, I'm sorry, it goes all the
way through the alphabet is not

800
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:21,990
hex, it's it's alpha numeric. So
it goes all the way zero through

801
00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:27,330
capital Z. And then it rolls
over and goes to two digit two,

802
00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:30,900
two characters and goes zero,
yeah, blah, blah. In fact,

803
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:32,580
let me see where I'm at right
now.

804
00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:35,670
No, you're just probably pretty
high. Let me

805
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:36,750
see what my number is.

806
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:45,330
And in, so it creates an object
in the bucket with that name.

807
00:51:46,380 --> 00:51:51,540
And that object is just an HTML
file with a meta redirect in the

808
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:57,300
head to the actual full length
URL, right? Then you point

809
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,540
whatever you want your short URL
domain to be, you point it to

810
00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:04,500
the bucket, and you instantly
get your own URL shortener.

811
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,210
And I've had very hilarious
results. Then I will give you an

812
00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:15,360
example of right now. Okay. So
my shorteners l dot curry calm,

813
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:19,800
which seem appropriate for
links, slash, I only have three,

814
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,580
three characters, but that's
quite a bit, I guess, three

815
00:52:23,580 --> 00:52:24,420
characters as

816
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:28,440
we calculated at one time to be
I mean, like it, you can do like

817
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,390
billions with these with that
scheme.

818
00:52:31,949 --> 00:52:35,879
And so this particular link that
I sent out was john C. Dvorak

819
00:52:35,879 --> 00:52:41,459
space jerks. substack. About
billionaires in space, the short

820
00:52:41,909 --> 00:52:49,859
URL is URL comm slash FSB. Not
the actual Russian Secret

821
00:52:49,859 --> 00:52:50,939
Service initials.

822
00:52:51,989 --> 00:52:55,889
And therein lies the framework,
the groundwork for the problem

823
00:52:55,889 --> 00:53:00,329
that we have. Okay, cuz when
when we built this thing, the

824
00:53:00,329 --> 00:53:04,019
first thing My mind went to is,
okay, you're gonna get you're

825
00:53:04,019 --> 00:53:06,089
gonna get curse words out of
this thing.

826
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,329
I have. I have definitely It's
been a while but definitely

827
00:53:09,329 --> 00:53:13,289
someone said, Oh, nice URL
shortener f ck or something like

828
00:53:13,289 --> 00:53:13,499
that.

829
00:53:13,529 --> 00:53:20,159
Yeah. So I put in a big long
list. I don't know. Where words

830
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,979
to skip. And worse to skip.
Yeah. You don't want it you

831
00:53:22,979 --> 00:53:26,159
don't want it to be like aol.com
slash comment, or something like

832
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:27,209
that. I mean, like, wow, you

833
00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:29,400
said it out loud food. Dave
Jones.

834
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,590
Okay, all right, ass.

835
00:53:31,710 --> 00:53:34,950
There you go. I've had asked I
think asked, I think as popped

836
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:38,370
up for me once it failed your
system. Nearly put acid.

837
00:53:38,609 --> 00:53:44,699
No ass is the thing that blew it
all up. It had been row you'd

838
00:53:44,699 --> 00:53:48,569
been rolling along for about, I
don't know, five years. And then

839
00:53:48,569 --> 00:53:51,509
all of a sudden you you sent me
a message. And we're like, hey,

840
00:53:51,509 --> 00:53:55,799
this, I can't do anything like,
like, like, the whole thing is

841
00:53:55,799 --> 00:53:59,909
just dead. And I got in there
and started looking at the logs.

842
00:54:00,449 --> 00:54:05,849
And asked was the first word,
but it was didn't hit in the

843
00:54:05,849 --> 00:54:09,689
block list. And so for five
years, it had been working

844
00:54:09,689 --> 00:54:14,339
perfectly until it hit that one
thing. And there was a bug in

845
00:54:14,339 --> 00:54:17,189
the filtering code anyway. And
it blew up. That's

846
00:54:17,189 --> 00:54:22,709
like the y2k problem now. Yeah,
exactly. It's, it's the AWS

847
00:54:22,709 --> 00:54:24,059
problem. Nice.

848
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:28,320
Yeah. So you had an ASP problem.
And it blew the enable your code

849
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:34,890
up? Like this. There are always
these types of bugs in every

850
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:39,450
system where it works. But
you're not exactly you never

851
00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:41,940
know you why we're never and you
never

852
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:42,420
know when

853
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:46,230
it will stop working. And by the
way, that whole scheme for how

854
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:49,710
to do URL shortening that wasn't
invented by us that was invented

855
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:53,190
by the old adjective service to
remember adjective. Yeah, yeah,

856
00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:56,700
yeah. Yeah, they they use this
game and so we ripped it off.

857
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:56,790
I'm

858
00:54:56,789 --> 00:55:00,659
glad you told the story because
only maybe earlier This week

859
00:55:00,989 --> 00:55:05,009
someone's on no agenda social
said to occur You're such I'm

860
00:55:05,009 --> 00:55:08,249
gonna do his voice. Oh, cool.
You're such an off the grid OTG

861
00:55:08,249 --> 00:55:11,069
no track guy but use a URL
shortener man, what are you

862
00:55:11,189 --> 00:55:12,359
tracking everybody?

863
00:55:13,769 --> 00:55:15,899
You own it. It's your URL
shortener.

864
00:55:16,769 --> 00:55:19,589
Well, I'm tracking I'm tracking
everybody. What kind of evil man

865
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:23,999
are you tracking? I said, Well,
he said, I can't even remember

866
00:55:23,999 --> 00:55:27,089
exactly why we created it. But I
know how it works. I think it's

867
00:55:27,089 --> 00:55:31,079
just a text file in an s3
bucket. And and no tracking

868
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:32,039
going on there.

869
00:55:32,399 --> 00:55:34,619
Did you tell him that's that's
where you keep your Google

870
00:55:34,619 --> 00:55:35,609
Analytics code?

871
00:55:36,359 --> 00:55:41,249
I don't have that either.
Either.

872
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:44,280
Anyway, that's the story. It's
not a very exciting story.

873
00:55:44,310 --> 00:55:48,630
That's a good story. It's a fun
story. Certainly. nerds like

874
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:50,130
these stories. Jeff,

875
00:55:50,819 --> 00:55:59,279
it proves the point that every
system has an element, every

876
00:55:59,279 --> 00:56:04,499
sufficiently complex system has
an element to it, that that

877
00:56:04,499 --> 00:56:09,989
works. But you can't, but you
won't know exactly why it works,

878
00:56:10,019 --> 00:56:17,519
right? That's in Incidentally,
that is, that relates back to a

879
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,839
bigger issue with what's called
the evolutionary argument

880
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:28,799
against naturalism. And so the
idea there is that if evolution,

881
00:56:29,099 --> 00:56:33,179
if evolution is true, and
naturalism is true, if both of

882
00:56:33,179 --> 00:56:38,849
those things are true, then we
cannot trust that our own, then

883
00:56:38,849 --> 00:56:42,959
we cannot trust that our own
mind is giving us true

884
00:56:42,959 --> 00:56:49,739
information. Meaning that if all
that matters is the outcome, in

885
00:56:49,739 --> 00:56:54,059
this scenario, meaning, did you
get your descendants? Did your

886
00:56:54,059 --> 00:56:56,429
different descendants survive?
And you get your progeny into

887
00:56:56,429 --> 00:57:01,799
the next generation? If that's
all that matters? To a blind

888
00:57:01,799 --> 00:57:03,599
force like evolution, then

889
00:57:06,060 --> 00:57:09,720
then you can't be sure that
what's actually the things you

890
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,020
think you know, are actually
true? Because it could be it

891
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:16,080
could it could be a problem
three generations down the line?

892
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:23,940
Well, so you think that you are
did you survive because you know

893
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:29,310
the truth about what can kill
you? But even but that's not

894
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:35,490
accurate. Because even if you
all that matters, that that you

895
00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:38,010
actually survived what matters,
it doesn't matter that it was

896
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:43,590
true. So if you thought that
running away from Tigers was the

897
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:48,450
best way to light birthday
candles, and you would survive

898
00:57:49,530 --> 00:57:53,340
as an early hominid but the
reason you survived had nothing

899
00:57:53,340 --> 00:57:58,050
to do with truth you only
survived because the the false

900
00:57:58,050 --> 00:58:02,280
hood that you believed happened
to coincide with behavior that

901
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,270
allowed you to live

902
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:05,520
right so humans don't know jack.

903
00:58:05,969 --> 00:58:10,469
Exactly. Got it. Yeah, he's like
that's that's the that's the

904
00:58:10,469 --> 00:58:13,499
same thing with any sufficiently
complex system is like the

905
00:58:13,499 --> 00:58:18,809
system can be running the whole
time. And everything looks great

906
00:58:18,809 --> 00:58:21,179
and you think you know exactly
why it's working and how it's

907
00:58:21,179 --> 00:58:23,489
working and everything and then
something happens and you

908
00:58:23,489 --> 00:58:27,149
realize oh, I totally didn't
understand this

909
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:30,300
Yeah. And that's that's working
on this is going on with the

910
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:33,240
dupes to a degree not

911
00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:35,340
know I just got off on that
tangent.

912
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:40,590
little thing isn't your daily
your weekly philosophy with Dave

913
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:44,880
Jones sorry, southern
hospitality and deep philosophy

914
00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:45,390
with Dave

915
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:50,760
if you look up Alvin plantinga
he's he's the last word that

916
00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:56,010
made that made that argument
thing anyway

917
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,240
well I'm not only looking them
up I'm gonna put them in the

918
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:00,960
show notes

919
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:05,190
kidding out here but Alva
planning in the show? Sure Sure.

920
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:12,270
It's just from I got to tell you
the number of times I have used

921
00:59:12,270 --> 00:59:18,090
transcripts search is
unbelievable. Oh really? Ah so

922
00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:20,970
many times when I'm because
there's all he has three and a

923
00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:23,700
half hours on no agenda is like
well, you were talking about

924
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:26,340
this and then what can you give
me kind of a range of episodes

925
00:59:27,570 --> 00:59:31,830
and you can always find it it is
really astounding how useful

926
00:59:31,830 --> 00:59:36,060
that is. or transistor dot f m
just added transcripts. Mm hmm.

927
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:40,770
And I see more and more and
thank you phone boy for starting

928
00:59:40,770 --> 00:59:45,570
to use a pod verse. sound bites
in his no agenda quotes. That's

929
00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:46,620
very cool. Oh, I

930
00:59:46,620 --> 00:59:47,910
didn't know he did that. Yeah,

931
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:51,420
yeah. So now, so now it's the
quote and then it also sends

932
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:59,370
along the clip. Unfortunately,
it appears the clip. Sometimes I

933
00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:02,190
could I could be wrong but it
appears that the clip that shows

934
01:00:02,190 --> 01:00:06,030
up is of the current artwork and
not of that episodes artwork but

935
01:00:06,030 --> 01:00:10,620
I could be wrong. That's
actually I consider that a bug

936
01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:11,610
not I think about it.

937
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:16,319
That's interesting because you
do something different in your

938
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:22,079
feed. Then most most people who
have show album art they only

939
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,339
change the show art for each
episode but their feed art stays

940
01:00:26,339 --> 01:00:33,509
the same, right change both Yes.
Yes. Feed art and your album art

941
01:00:33,569 --> 01:00:34,409
and your episode.

942
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:41,460
No, I think that's true. Hold
on, I'm gonna check it right

943
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:46,770
now. I do not change the feed
art. Oh, really? I'm looking I'm

944
01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:53,430
gonna look right now I'm looking
at my feed. No agenda feed and

945
01:00:53,460 --> 01:01:04,320
double check so the I do not
even have How's this possible?

946
01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:08,310
There's no album art in my feet
at all. For the helium? My I'm

947
01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:09,300
looking at no agenda.

948
01:01:10,410 --> 01:01:12,930
You're looking at the XML or the
opml I'm looking at the freedom

949
01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:13,410
controller

950
01:01:13,469 --> 01:01:14,339
here the opml

951
01:01:14,759 --> 01:01:17,909
Okay, so it's probably that's
why your feed your album art is

952
01:01:17,909 --> 01:01:20,609
changing in the feed is because
there's not one defined in the

953
01:01:20,609 --> 01:01:23,219
album so it takes the first
episode and uses that as the

954
01:01:23,219 --> 01:01:23,549
album.

955
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:29,550
Aha Okay, so I'm looking now at
no agenda quotes 16 hours ago,

956
01:01:29,730 --> 01:01:36,000
and it's a quote from Episode
1359 it correctly links to 1359

957
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:41,340
but it shows the artwork for
13 1666 or whatever we just did.

958
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:44,790
Okay, so that may be a bug in
pod verse Then.

959
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:46,020
I think it is

960
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:49,140
it because I've noticed that I
need to

961
01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:51,570
I need to jingle stomped another
one.

962
01:01:55,830 --> 01:02:00,210
Do you want to now let's save
that for the donations I was

963
01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:03,390
gonna do Benjamin Benjamin send
us an ISO but I'll save that.

964
01:02:03,810 --> 01:02:06,840
Okay, but the donation because
he's got that one coming up. Oh,

965
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:07,380
wow. This

966
01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:09,540
is this is already a lot of
heavy stuff. Man.

967
01:02:10,410 --> 01:02:12,270
Did we went to did we go too
deep?

968
01:02:12,299 --> 01:02:14,519
No, no, no. You know what, I'll
bring it back to something

969
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,529
lighthearted that I had on my
list I should have mentioned

970
01:02:16,529 --> 01:02:21,599
earlier, since we're possibly
considering a faucet anyway, as

971
01:02:21,659 --> 01:02:25,829
a charity faucet, though we got
to come up with the name, the

972
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:27,569
the podcast pump.

973
01:02:30,420 --> 01:02:30,930
Well,

974
01:02:31,290 --> 01:02:32,520
I like the podcast bomb.

975
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:38,640
Okay, well think about it.
Because I think it's a great

976
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,200
idea. And I'm pretty sure that
that Tim can wire it up so that

977
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,650
you can't you know, keep
refilling your wallet, use same

978
01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:51,450
wallet over and over again. I
think that i think that's got to

979
01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:59,310
be possible. So we have the QR
code to get some sample sets.

980
01:02:59,910 --> 01:03:02,700
Tim's rolling his eyes right
now. He's like you Good, good,

981
01:03:02,790 --> 01:03:03,180
good.

982
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,890
But I want to bring back the
fast follow idea, which I think

983
01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:13,830
is still a great idea is to
surface a QR code to follow

984
01:03:13,830 --> 01:03:16,740
through an app. I don't think
anyone's doing that. It makes so

985
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:21,810
much sense. Explain this to me.
Okay, so I'm walking. I'm

986
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:24,660
walking along Lottie, Dottie da
and then someone's Hey, man,

987
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:29,100
this is a great show. Okay, I'll
check it out. And then either he

988
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:34,860
flashes me a QR code, or the QR
code sticker on the fence. I

989
01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:39,630
just take my pod friend app or
my Curio caster, my pod verse or

990
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:44,070
go on and on and on. I fire up
the fast follow. I focus the

991
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:50,130
camera on it, boom. It's just
it's just a URL.

992
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:55,980
So you're okay, so you're your
own podcast. You're on pod

993
01:03:55,980 --> 01:04:01,890
friend. I'm on cast Matic and
you're going to pop up a QR

994
01:04:01,890 --> 01:04:04,800
code. I can scan it with mine.
And we just

995
01:04:04,830 --> 01:04:08,430
Yep. Okay, but it can also do
like, like the freedom

996
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:12,720
controller blog pages. It's got
a QR code. Yeah, I use that all

997
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,590
the time. I love I love that QR
code.

998
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:20,340
That's a good idea. And then it
but it would have to be

999
01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:22,200
something where you could cut
where you could

1000
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:24,120
customize what it opens?

1001
01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:28,680
Will you know that there's
always one. We've wanted this

1002
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,020
podcast colon slash slash thing
you will

1003
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:34,050
see, let's reverse the process.
This is what I think is so cool.

1004
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,830
So instead of, you know, a web
browser, because of course,

1005
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:41,940
that's how most people use QR
codes and pops up, you know, it

1006
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:44,880
opens up a web page. So what if
we put that same mechanism

1007
01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:49,830
inside the podcast app. So
instead of your OS, you know,

1008
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:53,730
only wanting to open apple or
whatever, or whatever, or Google

1009
01:04:53,730 --> 01:04:57,570
Play or nothing or just a web
page or some horrible

1010
01:04:57,570 --> 01:05:03,270
experience. The app is gonna
say, Oh, this is this is the URL

1011
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:07,500
for this podcast, boom, done
subscribed. Yeah, move on

1012
01:05:07,530 --> 01:05:08,250
perfect.

1013
01:05:08,550 --> 01:05:14,520
You would have to have Bitcoin
type wallet app functionality

1014
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,220
there where instead of just
doing QR code scan, it would

1015
01:05:17,220 --> 01:05:20,910
have to be able to copy paste
to. Because you Whoa,

1016
01:05:20,910 --> 01:05:24,930
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you just
lost me. I mean, you could do

1017
01:05:24,930 --> 01:05:29,040
this with any podcast app
doesn't have to have Bitcoin or

1018
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:30,330
value for value enabled?

1019
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:33,090
No, no, I'm not talking. I'm not
tying it to the Bitcoin stuff.

1020
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:41,940
I'm just saying that let. So
take for example. evos page

1021
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:43,410
where he's got his different
apps lists. Yeah,

1022
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,230
that's that would be a place
where you display at podcasting.

1023
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:47,850
2.0 scan this.

1024
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:50,670
At that point, you're busy at
that point, you're in Safari?

1025
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:51,540
No, I

1026
01:05:51,540 --> 01:05:52,080
understand.

1027
01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:54,960
I understanding you would you
happy the QR code out and paste

1028
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,590
it into the app? Is what I'm
saying? No. Well, okay. If

1029
01:05:58,590 --> 01:05:59,520
you're on the same device,

1030
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,300
you're on the same device. Yes.
Yeah. And then I would say do it

1031
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,120
the same way many lightning
wallets do it. You can either

1032
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:11,310
scan or you can choose a QR code
from your files that you just

1033
01:06:11,370 --> 01:06:12,690
took you took a picture of?

1034
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:15,240
Yeah, yeah. Those three Oh,
yeah.

1035
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:21,030
Yeah. But I think the most
obvious is, um, seriously, it's

1036
01:06:21,030 --> 01:06:24,990
like a public relations
campaign. You walk by subscribe

1037
01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:29,070
to my podcast, you know, or it
may be the QR code has some

1038
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:33,360
distinctive graphic design to
it, that, you know, shows it's

1039
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,230
2.0. You know, so people be
like, Oh, that's cool. How does

1040
01:06:37,230 --> 01:06:42,000
this work? And you'll get one of
these apps. Okay, free web app,

1041
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,630
even that boom, okay, click
work. Oh, that was cool. Man,

1042
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:48,030
you would never go back to any
other way.

1043
01:06:48,810 --> 01:06:52,950
Is this and we should do this on
podcast index site, just like

1044
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:54,270
provide these lands? Yes.

1045
01:06:54,300 --> 01:07:00,720
Yes. Of course. Okay. Don't you
think? Well, the question is, we

1046
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,920
have to kind of develop a
standard for them. And, you

1047
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,090
know, so What you don't want is
people just scanning it with

1048
01:07:09,090 --> 01:07:14,400
their phone with Safari or
Chrome or whatever. And it just

1049
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,810
opens up an RSS feed. Yeah, you
don't want that. So we have to

1050
01:07:18,810 --> 01:07:22,350
come up with some you can't just
be displaying it in places that

1051
01:07:22,350 --> 01:07:26,790
make no sense without some
caveat is you need this type of

1052
01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:27,600
app to do it.

1053
01:07:30,570 --> 01:07:34,140
So the QR code scan what I mean
like the scan they what had to

1054
01:07:34,140 --> 01:07:35,370
be built into the app.

1055
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:40,050
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Hold on a
second. Okay, it's got the

1056
01:07:40,050 --> 01:07:44,880
Python code, it's on its way. So
simple is even I know how to do

1057
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:52,980
this one. Gotcha fast. If x
equals No, then open camera. Get

1058
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:55,410
URL Renu our code.

1059
01:07:56,969 --> 01:07:58,529
Boom, nailed it.

1060
01:08:01,290 --> 01:08:04,020
I think that's that is part of
the future that people are

1061
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:07,710
getting more used to, you know,
if you have an iPhone, you go to

1062
01:08:07,710 --> 01:08:10,440
a friend's house like boom, Oh,
hold on a second, you just

1063
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:13,860
shared my you can have someone
scan your phone, I think with

1064
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:16,110
iPhone, you can even do it just
as long as you're on the same

1065
01:08:16,110 --> 01:08:21,720
network, it helps you get the Wi
Fi password, the Wi Fi key.

1066
01:08:22,050 --> 01:08:25,770
There's lots it QR codes have
really come onto themselves

1067
01:08:25,770 --> 01:08:32,820
since the great reset. When when
paper menus went away from Yeah,

1068
01:08:32,850 --> 01:08:34,530
from restaurants. So everyone is
kind

1069
01:08:34,530 --> 01:08:38,070
of into this now. I didn't even
think about that, that queue and

1070
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:41,730
that the menu thing? Yeah, that
really brought two QR codes do

1071
01:08:41,730 --> 01:08:47,130
their own, please, like they've
been with us forever in. And we

1072
01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:47,490
laughed

1073
01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:50,220
at him, like, Who's gonna use
this piece of crap. And you

1074
01:08:50,220 --> 01:08:53,280
always had to have a separate
app. So the first great thing

1075
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,580
and this is what I'm saying that
our app developers should

1076
01:08:56,580 --> 01:09:02,250
consider. The great thing is
that, I think iOS and Android

1077
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:06,960
built into their, their camera
software, oh, if you see a QR

1078
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:13,290
code, then you know, trip this
sub routine and open up the URL.

1079
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:18,510
That didn't used to be that way.
You had to get the app had to

1080
01:09:18,510 --> 01:09:21,990
open it and you have to use the
app to to get the URL

1081
01:09:22,919 --> 01:09:26,549
trip to sobriety you can easily
get your developer hat on today.

1082
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:33,870
While I've been doing it on the
side, man, you know, skip hit

1083
01:09:33,870 --> 01:09:36,690
the skip logic and it always it
always happens when the power

1084
01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:40,290
goes out, you know in the UPS
dies and then the my Raspberry

1085
01:09:40,290 --> 01:09:44,220
Pi Bitcoin node comes back and
and I have to unlock the wallet

1086
01:09:44,220 --> 01:09:46,440
and I go looking around like Oh,
let me just do a couple of

1087
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:49,680
balances to Toshi commands, and
then I'm all command line. And

1088
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,440
like this one, we do shell
script, it makes it easier. And

1089
01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:57,840
I of course it completely and I
even move it to slash slash bin

1090
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:03,060
slash user slash user slash bin.
And then I forget to, you know,

1091
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:08,040
five of these executables you
know, similar names with a

1092
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,460
dashboard, my dashboard dash, I
can't remember, you know, they

1093
01:10:11,460 --> 01:10:14,160
all calling each other, I'm a
mess. And

1094
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:17,460
next month I'm going to create a
dashboard.

1095
01:10:20,190 --> 01:10:23,370
dashboard. I've never built
dashboards for myself.

1096
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:27,660
Do we want to? Do we want to
thank people? Yes. Before we

1097
01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:28,920
Yeah, and as

1098
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,230
I get I want to talk about some
stuff Dame Jennifer sent me

1099
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,310
She's got some good ideas.

1100
01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:39,660
Okay, um, the main thing I
wanted to point out is that we

1101
01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:42,660
received and I know if you have
them on your if you've printed

1102
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:47,550
them out, but we received quite
a number of payment messages.

1103
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:52,740
Yeah. Yes. Okay, so you have
those Okay. And then I don't

1104
01:10:52,740 --> 01:10:55,770
know what happened last night,
but I got like a whole crap with

1105
01:10:55,770 --> 01:10:59,640
Oh, was that was that the guy?
Was that the guys doing that?

1106
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,860
Was that no agenda traffic? I
don't know what was going on.

1107
01:11:01,890 --> 01:11:05,280
No, we got a huge stack today
had to put more paper

1108
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,490
in the printer. Have a question
for you, though, just on the on

1109
01:11:08,490 --> 01:11:14,880
the payment messages, any way
that we can. So first of all, as

1110
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,320
much of a nerd as I am. It's got
to be pretty simple to translate

1111
01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:24,630
the minutes into a human
understandable timestamp,

1112
01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:29,670
instead of just raw seconds.
Yeah, what it is now? Yeah,

1113
01:11:30,150 --> 01:11:31,110
yeah,

1114
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:39,810
yeah. Yeah. That's one two. Is
it possible to know what episode

1115
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:44,700
this is coming from? Because
that's currently not in there?

1116
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:46,290
yet? I'm gonna do that too.

1117
01:11:46,619 --> 01:11:51,479
And could you and who was who
creates the someone used Curio

1118
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,569
casters tip jar to send some
love go podcasting?

1119
01:11:54,930 --> 01:12:01,230
That is a tip. So that should be
in there. This should not we

1120
01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:05,220
shouldn't be getting emails for
those. I don't think because

1121
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:07,770
there's no you don't put a
message in there at that point.

1122
01:12:08,010 --> 01:12:12,480
that's those are coming in there
by mistake. Those should, those

1123
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:13,530
are just normal boots. Right.

1124
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:17,130
But didn't Curio caster, change
the nomenclature?

1125
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,810
That's just the default wording
if you don't do a message boost,

1126
01:12:22,230 --> 01:12:22,980
if you just do it,

1127
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,430
right, and that's whose default
wording is that Curio caster's

1128
01:12:26,430 --> 01:12:30,360
in this case Yeah, okay. All
right. So so he hasn't changed

1129
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,860
because he's using instead it no
longer using Hold on. It's very

1130
01:12:34,860 --> 01:12:39,840
interesting. I love this stuff.
I love this stuff. Just go here.

1131
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,650
So hold for messages message
boost.

1132
01:12:45,450 --> 01:12:46,770
Doing it on the site now.

1133
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:49,560
I'm just looking right now. So
yeah, it's called a message

1134
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,900
boost. Interesting. Oh, and then
I can select to everyone and I

1135
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:59,670
can select it is a very nice
interface is built. So that so

1136
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:03,330
that's coming from him the the
goat that that particular line?

1137
01:13:03,780 --> 01:13:06,840
Yeah, yeah, that's sort of, I
think wording. Yeah, I

1138
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,520
think he just forgot to change
that.

1139
01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:09,690
Okay,

1140
01:13:09,749 --> 01:13:13,889
because I just have a thing
against tips. Well,

1141
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,850
let's see that that's the you
can do a message boost or you

1142
01:13:17,850 --> 01:13:18,720
can do a tip

1143
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:22,170
not it. No, no, not a curio
caster anymore.

1144
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:30,600
It Are you sure because it's got
the two tabs at the top? Because

1145
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,750
if you go, you can either send a
message boost.

1146
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,400
No, no, you need to look again.
I think I think it's changed

1147
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:44,790
Dave. Oh, yeah, cuz what I have
now is let's check this out.

1148
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:48,750
Okay, there's no more to this
only at the bottom now there's

1149
01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:52,680
boost and hold for message
boost. There's no other things

1150
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:53,280
at the top.

1151
01:13:54,540 --> 01:14:00,420
Okay, I'm gonna boost. Okay, I
just boosted I just boosted the

1152
01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:04,950
business side of music. podcast.
Yeah. And I think what just

1153
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:09,120
happened was it sent that exact
message you're talking about?

1154
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,420
Oh, just just by boosting?

1155
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:13,560
Yes.

1156
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:16,290
This is just a bug.

1157
01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:22,620
Well, I don't I think it's I
think the bug is on our side of

1158
01:14:22,620 --> 01:14:26,040
how we're handling it. Okay, so
because here's there's multiple

1159
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,630
TLV records that come in.

1160
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:31,830
I'll tell you what I expect.
Alright. I never I never expect

1161
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:37,050
to see the word tip or tip jar.
Seriously, I hate it.

1162
01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:40,140
I hate it. Explain why you hate
it though. Because Because I

1163
01:14:40,140 --> 01:14:43,470
don't work for tips. Nobody
should work value for value is

1164
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:49,560
antithetical to tips. A tip is
the service was I paid for

1165
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,440
something, I'm going to add
something on top. That's a tip.

1166
01:14:54,150 --> 01:14:58,440
Or you're really just demeaning.
I don't I also don't look. I

1167
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:01,230
don't like it when someone
interacts. When I give them a

1168
01:15:01,230 --> 01:15:05,520
tip I'm giving them value for
now that's just my mindset. So

1169
01:15:05,550 --> 01:15:08,730
if I'm doing a podcast a boost
is understandable if you're

1170
01:15:08,730 --> 01:15:13,440
sending me a boost it's just a
so and so boosted at this at

1171
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:19,200
this time right that's boost
This is do you consider a boost

1172
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,660
to be a tip because then we have
a fundamental problem in our

1173
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:22,170
marriage

1174
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:23,280
yeah

1175
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,970
consider a boost all right I
consider a boost to be a boost

1176
01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:32,400
right so so then I now

1177
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:36,630
i would i do a boost in the in
more than just financial says

1178
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:37,830
that you're boosting?

1179
01:15:37,860 --> 01:15:41,490
Yes, exactly. So I don't even
expect to get a message from

1180
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:43,620
this unless we're just going to
say you got a boost and that's

1181
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:48,630
fine. Then you hold down the
boost button in Curio caster, a

1182
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:52,170
pops up a panel it says boost
amount to and then you can

1183
01:15:52,170 --> 01:15:56,550
select everyone or individually.
From and it says anonymous, you

1184
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:59,310
can fill in your name and then
it has a field if you boost 1000

1185
01:15:59,310 --> 01:16:01,980
SATs or more you can attach a
message to your boost. So

1186
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:05,160
Nowhere is the word tip has the
word tip come back here. This is

1187
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,720
now a boost with a message or as
he's calling it. Message boost.

1188
01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:13,980
Let me tell you where that's
coming from. Okay. That word

1189
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:19,350
wording there is coming from the
fact that in the T o v records

1190
01:16:19,380 --> 01:16:24,480
that that specific to V that
he's using for the boost is

1191
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:30,780
called officially called the tip
to V. Okay. And I think he got

1192
01:16:30,780 --> 01:16:36,210
the wording from that. Okay. So
that's because it was it was

1193
01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:42,960
developed, I think for perhaps
fakes. And they called it that.

1194
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,930
So I think that's where that
nomenclature is coming from.

1195
01:16:46,110 --> 01:16:48,990
Okay. And I believe what's
happening is he's sending to

1196
01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:53,820
different to V's, he's sending
the tip to V and then the 762169

1197
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:57,630
or whatever that number is,
which is which is the podcast

1198
01:16:57,690 --> 01:17:01,170
the value for value to V i think
he's sending both. I think I'm

1199
01:17:01,380 --> 01:17:04,770
I'm inadvertently picking up the
one that's the tip,

1200
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:08,820
right, but you have rewrote the
words tip jar, knock Curio

1201
01:17:08,820 --> 01:17:09,390
Castor.

1202
01:17:10,170 --> 01:17:11,790
Know that he wrote that.

1203
01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:15,540
Okay, well, then he needs to
come to the headmaster's office

1204
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:20,610
or on the knuckles. I

1205
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:24,240
know I'm anal about this, but
it's really important. And if

1206
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:29,490
anything, I have a little bit of
ownership of the value for value

1207
01:17:29,490 --> 01:17:36,150
concept. It's it's key that this
is not seen as tipping. tipping

1208
01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:41,850
has always failed. tipping me,
but I wouldn't call that a huge

1209
01:17:41,850 --> 01:17:46,680
success. When I see jack Dorsey
talking about tipping on on

1210
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:54,120
Twitter, I'm like you stupid.
That's me a coffee. But buy me a

1211
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:59,640
coffee is different. I like buy
me a coffee. You're saying hey,

1212
01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:03,330
I'm doing this anyway. Buy me a
coffee. That's if that's that's

1213
01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:07,770
valid. That's that's a very
understandable transaction. I

1214
01:18:07,770 --> 01:18:13,830
like that a lot. But tipping and
tip jar. No, it just it really

1215
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:15,480
irks me is can you tell

1216
01:18:16,230 --> 01:18:18,690
me Steve? Steven? There's lots
of displeasure here.

1217
01:18:20,670 --> 01:18:23,700
triggered but this this is an
absolute trigger word. It's

1218
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:28,260
worse than pod. Okay, I can live
with pod. Oh, wow. Yes,

1219
01:18:28,289 --> 01:18:32,159
I can real it is it as bad as
chip in?

1220
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:38,820
Well, chip in is just a joke
now. Okay. But chip in if you

1221
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:44,340
ask someone to chip in, that is
going to be $3 max. That's what

1222
01:18:44,340 --> 01:18:47,400
a chip in and we're conditioned.
That's the that's the Ask look

1223
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:52,140
at all of the political emails
chip in. And it's the the left

1224
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:54,450
and right in the United States.
He used this term and they

1225
01:18:54,450 --> 01:18:58,650
probably all use the same firm
who writes these silly emails.

1226
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,040
And it's chipping, which I've
always laughed about because it

1227
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:07,050
really it cheapens everything.
They have never understood it.

1228
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:10,620
Was it that's the way I felt
about balmy a coffee though. It

1229
01:19:10,620 --> 01:19:14,670
feels like Okay, okay, I just
gave you lit I just gave you two

1230
01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:18,330
hours of podcasting of my day
with all that stuff. And you're

1231
01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:19,290
gonna buy me a coffee.

1232
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,930
If you ask, if you use if you're
using buy me a coffee, then you

1233
01:19:24,930 --> 01:19:27,990
expect someone to send you the
equivalent of a cup of coffee.

1234
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:29,160
Yeah, but

1235
01:19:29,579 --> 01:19:33,239
yeah, I get it. But that
shouldn't be tied to podcasting

1236
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:36,839
because, well, I mean, I don't
like abortion. What I'm trying

1237
01:19:36,839 --> 01:19:41,159
to say is that like, if you take
the cost of a cup of coffee at

1238
01:19:41,579 --> 01:19:46,499
$4.50 and then you divide that
by two hours, I mean, you're

1239
01:19:46,499 --> 01:19:49,349
working for you know 10% of
minimum wage. What

1240
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:54,030
what podcaster is doing this,
what podcaster has by me and

1241
01:19:54,030 --> 01:19:55,470
coffee on their podcast.

1242
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:57,240
Lots of them.

1243
01:19:57,390 --> 01:20:00,810
Well, there, there are really
they are really hurting

1244
01:20:00,810 --> 01:20:01,530
themselves?

1245
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:03,960
I don't know who they are, but
they they're out there.

1246
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:08,010
Remember, the number one reason
people don't give money is

1247
01:20:08,010 --> 01:20:12,210
because they weren't asked. So
when you ask, if you just did

1248
01:20:12,210 --> 01:20:15,990
two hours of podcasts and a week
of research and you ask someone

1249
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:19,020
for a coffee, how can you be
surprised when someone gives you

1250
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:19,800
a coffee?

1251
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:24,720
That's what I'm saying. That's
exactly right.

1252
01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:29,910
So it makes no sense. But it's
because people are afraid.

1253
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:35,490
They're afraid to value their
own personality, work and

1254
01:20:35,490 --> 01:20:41,160
effort. I have a guy out here.
So we have a couple acres now

1255
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,870
and the grass needs mowing. I
did that once in my life. I'm

1256
01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:48,600
not going to do it anymore. It's
a hellish job. It'll take all

1257
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,940
day on a riding lawnmower. And
it's very hard to find anyone

1258
01:20:53,940 --> 01:20:57,150
who has time for either they
don't want to work or they're

1259
01:20:57,180 --> 01:21:00,750
overburdened me of filling up
for everybody else. So I finally

1260
01:21:00,930 --> 01:21:04,770
I get a guy, Paul, the septic
tank guy. He says, I got a guy,

1261
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,500
he actually works for me just
bought himself a new lawnmower.

1262
01:21:08,340 --> 01:21:11,670
And I gave him I gave one of my
clients already, you know, one

1263
01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:16,890
of these deals, send them back
to Eric comes by nice kid. And

1264
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:19,800
he's like, yeah, I can do this.
What are you gonna charge? I

1265
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,400
really don't know what he really
don't know. Do you have an

1266
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,730
hourly price night? I just kind
of started really don't know.

1267
01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:30,810
Okay, you go back to your boss,
Paul, the septic tank guy and

1268
01:21:30,810 --> 01:21:33,480
you tell you tell them that you
said that to me. And after he

1269
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:36,510
beats you senseless, you'll come
back with a price which I'll

1270
01:21:36,510 --> 01:21:40,500
agree to anyway. I'm gonna pay
you no matter what. But you have

1271
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:42,960
to learn how to value your
effort.

1272
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:47,250
Yeah, he could not do it. If you
don't value your own effort,

1273
01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:49,740
somebody else is going to value
for you. And I guarantee you

1274
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:51,480
you're not gonna, you're not
gonna like

1275
01:21:51,480 --> 01:21:54,030
it. Exactly. Let's thank some
people, Dave, because you know,

1276
01:21:54,030 --> 01:21:58,170
we've gone I've gone off the
rails I have, I need to do some

1277
01:21:58,170 --> 01:22:02,820
deep psycho analysis on myself
after this episode. But holy

1278
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:04,350
crap in my triggered by tip.

1279
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:07,709
I'm the one. I'm the one that
brought up evolution and

1280
01:22:07,709 --> 01:22:08,849
naturalism. So

1281
01:22:10,590 --> 01:22:14,400
well, we should we should do a
separate podcast about stuff

1282
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,320
like that one day, I wouldn't
mind going deep with you have a

1283
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:20,580
degree in philosophy? Don't you

1284
01:22:21,329 --> 01:22:24,269
have half a degree in
philosophy? The other the other

1285
01:22:24,269 --> 01:22:31,529
half isn't having kids. Here you
see, what market?

1286
01:22:31,950 --> 01:22:34,410
Let me let me think let me set
it up perfectly after went

1287
01:22:34,410 --> 01:22:36,600
through the whole that whole
rigmarole. And now we're not

1288
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,810
going to explain what we're
doing that's really bad. value

1289
01:22:39,810 --> 01:22:43,560
for value is the concept. The no
agenda show pioneered it Oh, of

1290
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:48,270
14 years ago. It's very simple.
What is this podcast worth to

1291
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:51,000
you? What is the work that is
being done worth to you? These

1292
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,090
ideas that we have? Do you do
you do you get enough value out

1293
01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:56,610
of what we're trying to build
here that you, you'd be willing

1294
01:22:56,610 --> 01:22:59,640
to put something in so we can do
stuff with it, like prime the

1295
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,930
pump, with the podcast, the
podcast, pump, these types of

1296
01:23:03,930 --> 01:23:07,740
things, if you if you get value
out of it, even value you see is

1297
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:10,770
perceived, turn it into a number
and send that off to us. And

1298
01:23:10,770 --> 01:23:14,130
that's that simple, because no
one can determine value. But you

1299
01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:16,920
and most people who are
listening to this are truly just

1300
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,970
getting the value of listening
to it. And there's a select

1301
01:23:20,970 --> 01:23:23,760
group who are getting the value
of the work. And ultimately

1302
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,430
everyone should be benefiting.
So there's two ways to do it.

1303
01:23:26,430 --> 01:23:31,350
Well, there's three ways you can
send us a boost message at any

1304
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:34,350
one of the podcast apps that
support it at new podcast apps

1305
01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:38,370
comm or you can go to podcast
index.org. And while it's still

1306
01:23:38,370 --> 01:23:40,860
in this old format, you can
scroll to the bottom, click on

1307
01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:44,280
the big red Donate button.
There's also a QR code there for

1308
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,340
you to send satoshis to us. Or
you can just send us your good

1309
01:23:47,340 --> 01:23:50,790
old cookbooks through the
PayPal. And and we really

1310
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:53,970
appreciate the support that we
get from everybody. There is no

1311
01:23:53,970 --> 01:23:56,880
other support for this. There's
no corporate sponsors, no

1312
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,120
venture capital, no advertisers,
it's meant to be completely

1313
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:04,260
open. And to in effect, keep
this communication channel going

1314
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:06,360
long beyond an American Dave.

1315
01:24:07,770 --> 01:24:09,390
It's just it's just us.

1316
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:11,490
Yes, it's just us. Yes.

1317
01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:15,030
Marco arment gave us $500

1318
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:19,950
back I love Marco for this once
every month he comes in every

1319
01:24:19,950 --> 01:24:20,340
month

1320
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,380
at what point but what what is
the cutoff level? When do you

1321
01:24:25,380 --> 01:24:26,910
qualify as a sugar daddy?

1322
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,300
We're gonna do no agenda. We're
gonna do podcast podcasting. 2.0

1323
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:40,560
sugar daddies is a level. Okay.
Thank you, Mark. Sugar Daddy. I

1324
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,390
don't I don't know what that
limit is. But I think we're

1325
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:42,780
getting there.

1326
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:46,770
Well, it's very, very, very much
appreciated. And I know he's

1327
01:24:46,770 --> 01:24:48,540
doing it because he's getting
value out of it.

1328
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:57,090
See Franco celerio gives $100
he's a developer of cast Matic.

1329
01:24:57,270 --> 01:25:01,350
Oh, fantastic. Thank you very
much. You Casta Matic and what I

1330
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:02,100
need to do that?

1331
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:05,790
Yeah, it's a good app I've got
it on my phone. I use them all I

1332
01:25:05,790 --> 01:25:08,160
just rotate through all of them
just so I can keep track of what

1333
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,170
what everybody's doing. Yeah,

1334
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,040
well now that most everyone has
opml import and export is made

1335
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,870
it very my life very easy doing
that.

1336
01:25:16,260 --> 01:25:17,490
Yeah, yeah, I

1337
01:25:17,490 --> 01:25:19,290
don't have iOS that's my
problem.

1338
01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:22,170
Oh yeah, that's right, you're on
and you're on OTG

1339
01:25:22,380 --> 01:25:23,340
via graphene

1340
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:29,160
is Franco says from the DSC to
the podcast index for SEO

1341
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,180
machine on second loan Second
Life to streaming sets and cast

1342
01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:36,000
ematic most of what I learned
about podcasting I owe to Adam

1343
01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:39,990
thank you and go podcast. Oh,
man, thank you so much podcast.

1344
01:25:42,210 --> 01:25:46,740
It looks beautiful cast ematic
cast Matic seven, your new

1345
01:25:46,740 --> 01:25:50,460
favorite podcast player for iOS
devices. Cast emetics

1346
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:57,480
is working on the SATs stream is
that? Oh, cool him that. Oh,

1347
01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:58,050
cool.

1348
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,920
Cool. And then what what is he
What is he supports the

1349
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,090
namespace, I presume?

1350
01:26:03,690 --> 01:26:05,580
A sports couple of chapters.

1351
01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:11,340
Okay. Oh, nice. Yeah. gap. gap
zapper? Yeah, that's another

1352
01:26:11,340 --> 01:26:14,070
thing I really, I really
realized, you know, I've spent

1353
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:18,030
my 40 years and making my show
sound the way I want them to

1354
01:26:18,030 --> 01:26:21,810
sound which. And when podcasting
started a little over halfway

1355
01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:26,760
through my radio slash broadcast
career. I started tailoring for

1356
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:31,380
earbuds I started creating a
sound that that that I thought

1357
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:36,750
was very effective for podcasts.
It is the antithesis of NPR

1358
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:41,940
sound. And what I've come to
realize just from comments as

1359
01:26:41,940 --> 01:26:46,920
well from other people, is that
no one is doing it this way. I

1360
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:51,420
mean, I'm really like, The Last
of the Mohicans, and everyone

1361
01:26:51,420 --> 01:26:54,900
else is has these crushes, which
have been made by the app

1362
01:26:54,900 --> 01:26:58,080
developers, which is in fact a
differentiator of extreme

1363
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:02,970
proportions. So automatic level
or gap zapper, these are all

1364
01:27:02,970 --> 01:27:07,080
things that improve the
otherwise poor production of the

1365
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:12,120
majority of podcasts. It's very
interesting that, you know, we

1366
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,360
kind of had this back and forth
with I mean, I like my sound, I

1367
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,380
think it should work. I often
hear Oh, You've spoiled us. And

1368
01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:21,960
so that's why I use this app
because it has great compression

1369
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,770
in the player, etc. And it makes
it all sound good. That's really

1370
01:27:25,770 --> 01:27:29,850
intro. I wish podcasters would
just do a better job. I mean,

1371
01:27:29,850 --> 01:27:32,370
it's hard. That's that's that's
hard. I mean, yeah, you must

1372
01:27:32,370 --> 01:27:34,830
have to have somebody teach you.
Yeah, a lot of people should not

1373
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:38,490
be podcasters. No, I'm sorry.
He's fall off the wagon. Yeah,

1374
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:46,290
voted off the island. I love I
didn't kind of realize that. I

1375
01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:49,110
listened to all kinds of
podcasts. Right. But I really

1376
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:52,950
realized it, I think was James
Cridland, who said he loved a

1377
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:56,220
particular app. And he really
loved that app because of the

1378
01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:59,670
sound processing. And I
understand that the majority of

1379
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:04,350
podcasts are very poorly
produced audio wise, or a large

1380
01:28:04,350 --> 01:28:09,720
segment. I can't say majority a
large segment. Anyway, the cool

1381
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,340
cast ematic Thank you very much.

1382
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:17,220
Well, Ben, Benjamin Bellamy gave
us $47.50 and he said since I

1383
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:20,940
always give 4750. I had to make
a donation for Episode 47.

1384
01:28:21,180 --> 01:28:22,650
Thank you very much, Benjamin.

1385
01:28:22,980 --> 01:28:26,310
Do not forget, do not forget to
remind the audience when it is

1386
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:28,020
time for love boost.

1387
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:37,290
Oh, yes. Love boost. Mr. Booth,
you know you want to well, we

1388
01:28:37,290 --> 01:28:38,370
have more where that came from?

1389
01:28:40,350 --> 01:28:45,960
He says I'm going to try this.
Yeah. Missy for preserving live

1390
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:53,070
podcasting as a platform for
live free speech. So, Divya, he,

1391
01:28:53,610 --> 01:28:59,550
he also sent us do I also love
boost? The boost?

1392
01:28:59,580 --> 01:29:01,800
Oh, no. Oh, no. We have a French
boost.

1393
01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:07,950
And now, as the French say, it
is timeful low boost.

1394
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:15,840
It's going straight into the
machine. Oh, my God.

1395
01:29:16,110 --> 01:29:19,770
I that was him playing the piano
to really cool. Yes.

1396
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:24,780
Put this over here. Le boost.
And we give it the orange color

1397
01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:27,810
on the pad. This is great. I
want to play that one again.

1398
01:29:27,810 --> 01:29:29,070
Once I have it set here. Hold
on.

1399
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:34,530
I was joking about john tg
playing the piano while he was

1400
01:29:34,530 --> 01:29:35,910
doing that intro when he played

1401
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:39,330
that too, right. That was him.
You know, I know we have a lot

1402
01:29:39,330 --> 01:29:42,360
of times. I tell you how many
times have you said musicians

1403
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,660
make the best coders? Yeah, they
really tried again,

1404
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,580
coming from the car now as the
French say it is time for the

1405
01:29:50,580 --> 01:29:57,240
boost. Boost. Nice. Merci
beaucoup.

1406
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,050
Timothy Hudgens gave did a
subscription for $25 a month. I

1407
01:30:04,050 --> 01:30:08,790
know Tim, he's a buddy of mine.
sent me a message with thanks

1408
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:11,790
and thank you. We're gonna go
get some beers. Nice. Thank you.

1409
01:30:11,790 --> 01:30:11,970
Thank

1410
01:30:11,970 --> 01:30:13,560
you, Tim. Very nice. Yeah.

1411
01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:20,670
See anonymous $11.11 anonymous
for Northern Virginia go

1412
01:30:20,670 --> 01:30:21,330
podcast.

1413
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,780
No, yes. No, I'm getting a fail
here on this.

1414
01:30:26,970 --> 01:30:34,260
Thank you anonymous. Eric Payne
gave us $7.61. no note. Thank

1415
01:30:34,260 --> 01:30:40,440
you very much, Michael. Michael
Gargan did a subscription for

1416
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:43,110
$5. No note there.

1417
01:30:43,140 --> 01:30:45,750
Thank you, mommy. Appreciate the
subscriptions as very helpful.

1418
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:47,820
That's that's, that's a server
right? There.

1419
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,550
It is. Yeah, the mini Mini.

1420
01:30:50,670 --> 01:30:51,720
What do you call it mini Oh,

1421
01:30:52,050 --> 01:30:57,750
linode. Little nano node nano
$5. Leno's, we use about half a

1422
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:58,380
dozen of those.

1423
01:30:58,440 --> 01:31:03,570
Yeah, it's our it's our version
of Ilan skylink. Whatever it is.

1424
01:31:03,690 --> 01:31:08,310
We have these little satellites
of linode Media nodes running

1425
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:09,300
around doing stuff.

1426
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:17,070
See, Gino Roubini gave us $2 no
note $2 is helpful too, because

1427
01:31:17,070 --> 01:31:22,710
that's a backup $2 a month on on
an No, that's the backup. Okay,

1428
01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:28,500
now we got some lightning.
Somebody on Twitter said we need

1429
01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:33,750
to call these errors. statica
said, for your consideration. A

1430
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:36,840
payment message generated from a
booster should be called a

1431
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,640
boosted or a booster gram

1432
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:43,920
booster Graham Hold on a second.
Now let me go straight away.

1433
01:31:44,010 --> 01:31:48,720
I've learned from experience.
This can change your life. Oh my

1434
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,220
god. Would this be crazy if that
was available on busco gram

1435
01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:56,490
calm or something?

1436
01:31:57,180 --> 01:31:58,290
Now it's already registered.

1437
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:03,720
Register that. Maybe it's maybe
it's together. We should do it.

1438
01:32:05,970 --> 01:32:08,820
Let me just see if it goes
anywhere. booster brand, um,

1439
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:10,140
that kind of stuff.

1440
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:12,450
Yeah, I bet it's parked.

1441
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:16,950
Yeah, it is. Okay, I'd like it a
booster gram. That's very funny.

1442
01:32:17,070 --> 01:32:17,730
I like that.

1443
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,690
Okay, so the mere mortals
podcast who we were just talking

1444
01:32:21,690 --> 01:32:27,900
about earlier in the show. They
boosted us 11,221 SATs, which is

1445
01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:29,340
about dollars and 46 cents.

1446
01:32:29,370 --> 01:32:33,690
Whoa. Wow. Thank you so much. So
they figured it figured it out.

1447
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,290
They worked it worked and they
got and their first support was

1448
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:41,010
an actual booster gram. Yeah,
that's or as we say in French

1449
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:48,150
boost icon level liberals
liberal liberals booster Graham

1450
01:32:48,150 --> 01:32:49,080
from liberal just

1451
01:32:49,890 --> 01:32:54,060
five years from now by the time
that this you know, whole thing

1452
01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:56,160
is rolling. We're just it's
gonna be the whole podcast

1453
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:56,970
should be French.

1454
01:32:57,209 --> 01:33:00,899
Yes. But we know that's the
whole point of of cast apart.

1455
01:33:00,899 --> 01:33:03,869
That's the whole point of the
French government paying for it.

1456
01:33:04,109 --> 01:33:05,699
This total propaganda.

1457
01:33:05,819 --> 01:33:06,749
It's world domination.

1458
01:33:06,810 --> 01:33:09,960
Yes. Yes. Well, it used to be
the language of the elite. You

1459
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,530
know, French was the language of
politics, it's still to a degree

1460
01:33:13,530 --> 01:33:15,660
is in many cases,

1461
01:33:16,050 --> 01:33:18,300
it's really hard to have world
domination when you're all

1462
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:21,540
locked in your houses that I'm
just saying. Yeah, that puts a

1463
01:33:21,540 --> 01:33:27,570
damper on is $5.46. That's US
dollars. So they're Australian.

1464
01:33:27,570 --> 01:33:29,910
I'm not sure what that is in
dollar reduce. But

1465
01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:35,400
oh, it's I think it's $8,000 in
Australia. In fact, Australia is

1466
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,530
almost on par with satoshis. I
think they're

1467
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:48,630
$100 million. Okay, so they said
there the note is there was once

1468
01:33:48,630 --> 01:33:52,710
an Adam and Dave, who had a most
pressing crave. The decree was

1469
01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:58,740
shall you add value for value so
we created a 2.0 wave. Nice.

1470
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:01,350
Very nice.

1471
01:34:02,130 --> 01:34:08,340
Grandma's poetry. See, the mere
mortals podcast again with

1472
01:34:08,340 --> 01:34:09,930
another one for 4100

1473
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,630
now they got the hang of it
right now. Like Yeah, just let's

1474
01:34:12,630 --> 01:34:14,460
just let's do another one.
There.

1475
01:34:14,670 --> 01:34:18,930
They're draining the bowl now.
Dude. $2 is what that ends up

1476
01:34:18,930 --> 01:34:23,640
being in us. 4321 blast off
trying out all the places I can

1477
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,760
send some gems. This is the
coolest shit out there.

1478
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:30,150
Honestly, I think this might be
the funniest way I've ever spent

1479
01:34:30,150 --> 01:34:30,570
money.

1480
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:37,170
Like it. I I'm loving these
messages. I love hearing that.

1481
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:37,740
Thank you.

1482
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:43,560
Okay, very brown of London. I
cannot This was there's a couple

1483
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,950
of these where it was very
early. And I couldn't and I was

1484
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:50,490
Nick couldn't bigger decode
them. I didn't see the SATs. So

1485
01:34:50,490 --> 01:34:55,830
everything but the SAT. So Brian
said, I accept. I think he means

1486
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:58,590
his invitation to come on the
show. And I'll have to send my

1487
01:34:58,590 --> 01:35:01,350
address and another boost for
tea. So I don't know how many

1488
01:35:01,350 --> 01:35:05,220
sets he sent us. And there's
another one from a guy who's

1489
01:35:05,220 --> 01:35:09,660
calling himself cheap bastard.
And he says, just testing you

1490
01:35:09,660 --> 01:35:10,020
rock,

1491
01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:12,600
keep up the fight. You know,
what's what's, what's

1492
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,600
interesting is I can kind of see
this behavior happening. So we

1493
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:20,370
have a 5 million sat channel
with lm PE. And a lot of this

1494
01:35:20,370 --> 01:35:26,190
traffic is going going up, maybe
all of its going over ln PE. And

1495
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:31,140
so that channel is very
interesting to watch. Because

1496
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,370
you can almost see right away
when someone is it being used

1497
01:35:35,370 --> 01:35:39,570
for transfers, we definitely are
a routing node for ln PE and

1498
01:35:39,570 --> 01:35:44,790
other people. But when someone
goes nuts on boosting to the

1499
01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:48,630
podcasting 2.0, the channel
really starts to fill up on our

1500
01:35:48,630 --> 01:35:51,750
side, I'm like, I gotta get him
out of here. We're gonna run out

1501
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:56,190
of liquidity on the other end,
and then somehow it's quite when

1502
01:35:56,190 --> 01:35:59,460
you have a big dish, 5 million
sat channels, they do tend to

1503
01:35:59,460 --> 01:36:02,640
kind of balance out magically
somehow very interesting to

1504
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:03,150
watch.

1505
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:09,000
We need to, we need a liquidity
manager. That's, that's your

1506
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:10,950
you're the liquidity manager
right now.

1507
01:36:10,980 --> 01:36:12,870
Yeah, right now I'm the
liquidity. I've been the

1508
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:15,210
liquidity manager and it's not a
great gig.

1509
01:36:15,570 --> 01:36:23,700
Maybe your grass cutter guy,
maybe a septic tank guy manages

1510
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:25,500
liquids for a living? He does.
Yes.

1511
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:27,600
It's a whole new career for him.
Yeah.

1512
01:36:28,650 --> 01:36:33,060
Chad Pharaohs and it's 1000
SATs, which is like 48 cent Jad

1513
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:34,260
f has got to be the biggest

1514
01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:35,310
promoter right now.

1515
01:36:35,610 --> 01:36:36,360
I love that guy. He's

1516
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:37,710
all over the place. Thank you,
Chad.

1517
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,430
You guys need to check out the
mere mortals episode three,

1518
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:45,360
seven when they talk about Adam
MPC. 2.0 these guys get it? They

1519
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,480
do. They can really help with
the on ramp problem we have in

1520
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:53,370
the new park with new podcasters
using Bitcoin. I agree. I agree

1521
01:36:53,370 --> 01:37:01,080
there. Will they did the work?
They sure did. Okay, and last of

1522
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:05,370
the boosted the booster grams is
Jonathan. He just calls himself

1523
01:37:05,370 --> 01:37:08,760
john. I don't know who that is
says fantastic show gentlemen.

1524
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:16,350
300 sets, which is 15 cents and
tell me how you could ever do a

1525
01:37:16,350 --> 01:37:18,510
15 cent donation through PayPal.
Thank

1526
01:37:18,510 --> 01:37:21,540
you. I just I just had another
idea. Dave. You ready? Ready for

1527
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,830
him? Blow Your Mind. Brother.
Hit me. Let's take so we have in

1528
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:32,430
our podcasting 2.0 value block.
We have a split for Dred Scott.

1529
01:37:33,390 --> 01:37:35,760
And we used to have the split
between the two of us but we

1530
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,640
consolidate that all into the
index node to make it a lot

1531
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,150
easier for accounting. It was
really fun. I think just to see

1532
01:37:42,150 --> 01:37:49,020
that individually. I'm going to
recommend that we love this. I'm

1533
01:37:49,020 --> 01:37:52,950
going to recommend that we put
in an additional split for 5% or

1534
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:58,020
10%. That goes straight into the
podcast pump. Hello. That is

1535
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:00,330
below. Now the system

1536
01:38:00,330 --> 01:38:05,760
is feeding itself. That's the
flywheel there it is. It's It's

1537
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:11,250
It's It's It's the perpetual
motion machine. We didn't we

1538
01:38:11,250 --> 01:38:14,640
invented the perpetual motion
machine is the perpetual money

1539
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:15,270
machine

1540
01:38:15,420 --> 01:38:18,930
Einsteins rolling over in his
grave. This is this is a good

1541
01:38:18,930 --> 01:38:23,970
idea, man. This is a great idea.
We were now the federal reserve

1542
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:25,860
of podcasting.

1543
01:38:27,780 --> 01:38:30,690
You take it and you pump it
right back in and you just stay

1544
01:38:30,690 --> 01:38:33,630
in a circle and somehow you get
more out of it than you put in

1545
01:38:33,630 --> 01:38:34,290
it's magic.

1546
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:36,750
You know what's gonna happen is
like Tim's gonna hear this over

1547
01:38:36,750 --> 01:38:39,570
to Elon pay as you go No, that's
not gonna happen it's the

1548
01:38:39,570 --> 01:38:41,880
stupidest thing I've ever heard
of. I'm not gonna do that

1549
01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:45,030
message hasn't shut that down.

1550
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:51,330
Well I hope I hope we can figure
it out this would be perfect. We

1551
01:38:51,330 --> 01:38:55,560
hate that that truly is the
penny jar that's the system of

1552
01:38:56,460 --> 01:38:58,560
need given paper Penny take a
penny yep

1553
01:38:58,770 --> 01:39:04,560
yeah, I mean 15 that's like do
back back boosted yeah boosted

1554
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:08,790
is whatever booster grams that
were like 48 cents and 15 cents.

1555
01:39:08,970 --> 01:39:14,040
We Okay, here's it we we do a
cut off where it's like if it

1556
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:18,300
goes below a certain level maybe
then the whole thing goes to the

1557
01:39:18,300 --> 01:39:18,810
tip jar.

1558
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:21,240
What it goes to what

1559
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,410
gosh I'm sorry I just offended
you

1560
01:39:26,460 --> 01:39:28,980
know you triggered me didn't
offend me. You triggered me.

1561
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:30,870
It goes to the

1562
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:36,030
to the faucet to the podcast of
the project. Yes. podcast pump.

1563
01:39:36,030 --> 01:39:37,890
Yeah. Trying to burn it into my
head. Yeah.

1564
01:39:37,890 --> 01:39:41,580
Now you'll get there. If you
want to sleep in the same bed,

1565
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:42,240
you will

1566
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:53,940
get on the couch. That's right.
Okay, let's see the monthly

1567
01:39:53,940 --> 01:39:55,080
donors here. Ah, yes, we'd

1568
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,660
love thanking thank you for the
booster grams. That was very

1569
01:39:57,660 --> 01:39:58,050
cool

1570
01:39:58,079 --> 01:40:01,319
and we look forward to more and
You can do that through pod

1571
01:40:01,319 --> 01:40:04,109
friend or Curio cast. Either
one, I think those are the twos.

1572
01:40:05,069 --> 01:40:09,269
Alex gates gave. He's the
official podcasting 2.0

1573
01:40:09,269 --> 01:40:10,439
consultant. Yes,

1574
01:40:10,530 --> 01:40:16,200
gave us $25. And he does code
review. Painful, painful code

1575
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:16,770
reviews,

1576
01:40:17,129 --> 01:40:22,379
whether you want it or not.
That's correct. He does. And I

1577
01:40:22,379 --> 01:40:26,639
want to point out here that
somehow we we get consultants to

1578
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:27,449
pay us

1579
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:30,720
says something about the project
doesn't that

1580
01:40:31,950 --> 01:40:33,960
business schools need to
research us?

1581
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,620
Oh, and business schools need to
research they need to reset?

1582
01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:41,880
Yeah, I mean, we're having we're
having consultants give us

1583
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:42,270
money.

1584
01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:46,020
We that's where we have an
ecosystem that is in show

1585
01:40:46,050 --> 01:40:50,520
interest, interesting,
intertwined. Really, through the

1586
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:55,410
satoshis thing is, I think what
really comes together. But the

1587
01:40:55,410 --> 01:41:00,750
whole project, I am constantly
amazed at how fun it is. Even

1588
01:41:00,750 --> 01:41:04,050
with all the challenges and this
personality clashes. There's all

1589
01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:06,630
kinds of stuff. This is no
different. I've had I had a

1590
01:41:06,630 --> 01:41:10,830
company with 700 people. And
this is enjoyable, man. This is

1591
01:41:10,830 --> 01:41:11,700
enjoyable.

1592
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:13,140
That sounds like a lot of work.

1593
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:18,570
But it's always managing
people's issues. And hear people

1594
01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:19,380
work it out.

1595
01:41:19,949 --> 01:41:28,289
Yeah. David would find $3 Jason
defilippo he have the difficult

1596
01:41:28,289 --> 01:41:34,499
last name $20 Sure. So you're
sure it's on the way. Jason I

1597
01:41:34,499 --> 01:41:41,339
got I got you on the list now.
Keith gifts and $50 Keith gift

1598
01:41:41,339 --> 01:41:44,579
something given us $50 a month
for a while and he does not have

1599
01:41:44,729 --> 01:41:45,839
piped up for a T shirt.

1600
01:41:45,869 --> 01:41:48,209
Well, he should let us know
because he deserves one.

1601
01:41:49,170 --> 01:41:54,060
Yeah, Keith. Get let us know
Dwayne. Goldy $8. Charles

1602
01:41:54,060 --> 01:41:57,570
current $5 a month. He's on the
T shirt layaway program, I

1603
01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:02,610
guess. Christopher reamer $10.
James Sullivan $10 in Jordan

1604
01:42:02,610 --> 01:42:05,520
dunville. tendo. That's our
that's our guys.

1605
01:42:05,579 --> 01:42:08,429
Yes. Thank you very much to all
of these fine producers of

1606
01:42:08,429 --> 01:42:13,799
podcasting. 2.0. Yep, really,
really appreciated. And value

1607
01:42:13,799 --> 01:42:16,439
for value. So if you want to
partake in that, go to podcast

1608
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,899
index.org. Scroll to the bottom,
all the information is right

1609
01:42:18,899 --> 01:42:21,059
there or just enjoy it. If
you're not getting any value

1610
01:42:21,059 --> 01:42:21,449
from it.

1611
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:27,900
seems odd. Whatever you do, if
you're listening and you're not

1612
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:29,850
getting anything from it, you
got to ask questions.

1613
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,540
You got to have to check
yourself. Exactly. Do you have

1614
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:36,240
anything else on on your list
for this week?

1615
01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:40,410
Well, I've got some stuff from
Dame Jennifer that I was one Oh,

1616
01:42:40,409 --> 01:42:42,509
yes. Well, let's do that. Let's
do that. And of course

1617
01:42:42,540 --> 01:42:45,960
break for Dame Jennifer. I will
try to ignore the fact that my

1618
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:49,560
dog is barking. Okay. If it
becomes a problem, I will shut

1619
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:55,050
him up, named Jennifer sent me
an email in saying that she that

1620
01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:58,980
her and the boy, the new
boyfriend had some ideas about

1621
01:42:59,820 --> 01:43:01,740
some stuff they would like to
see in apps.

1622
01:43:01,980 --> 01:43:05,880
Oh, okay. Now this does she say
in her note, the new boyfriend?

1623
01:43:06,329 --> 01:43:08,999
She does. He really talks about
the boyfriend in this note. I

1624
01:43:08,999 --> 01:43:13,679
mean, he must be an absolute
must be a winner. Okay. I mean,

1625
01:43:13,739 --> 01:43:17,099
I'm needing to get a glimpse of
this guy. But

1626
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:20,160
it didn't happen. Damn, Jen.

1627
01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:25,080
Right. So she gives, like, she
got a couple things that I

1628
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:29,670
thought they were, they're
really good. So she says, quit.

1629
01:43:29,700 --> 01:43:31,680
I'm just gonna sort of
paraphrase through this because

1630
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:36,570
it's a lot here. So she just
quit bookmarking favoriting a

1631
01:43:36,570 --> 01:43:39,030
point in time to share with
friends or family later, she

1632
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:42,420
says use case. I'm on a run. And
here's something I definitely

1633
01:43:42,420 --> 01:43:46,620
want to cue to share. But I'm
running. I know I can already

1634
01:43:46,620 --> 01:43:50,250
share points in time. But that
takes a few clicks that I can't

1635
01:43:50,250 --> 01:43:55,320
do on a run or a draw is so she
said and then she says chapters

1636
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:57,900
don't do this for me for a
couple of reasons. Many times a

1637
01:43:57,900 --> 01:44:02,040
show doesn't have chapters, or
they're just not at the right

1638
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,400
points for me. I am Han anus
with a capital H and a capital

1639
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:11,010
M. So maybe all caps. Well, love
is the ability though, so you

1640
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:14,430
only flesh it out for no sorry.
What I would love is the ability

1641
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:18,750
to hold the phone mid run, and
quickly click a star or

1642
01:44:18,750 --> 01:44:23,790
something similar that would
save a point in time. Or likely

1643
01:44:23,790 --> 01:44:26,460
many points in time of an
episode that I could then see

1644
01:44:26,460 --> 01:44:29,790
and interact with later. I can
then use those points in time

1645
01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:32,490
post run to generate the
wonderful q links that already

1646
01:44:32,490 --> 01:44:34,590
exists in so many podcasting 2.0
apps.

1647
01:44:35,670 --> 01:44:40,320
Excellent idea. The prior art is
hyper catcher. If you recall

1648
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:46,140
hyper catcher, you can also just
create a note. It's just tapping

1649
01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:50,430
on the screen. And it's and you
can fill in which you're not

1650
01:44:50,430 --> 01:44:52,500
going to do since you're on the
runner in the car, but you don't

1651
01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:54,870
have to think it's optional. And
you just click it and then boom

1652
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:59,430
you're done and saves that note
on your app. You know,

1653
01:44:59,460 --> 01:45:00,750
audio routers have this

1654
01:45:00,750 --> 01:45:04,110
built in. I use it all the time.
I have markers all the time.

1655
01:45:04,110 --> 01:45:07,260
Sure, it's completely logical
that we have that.

1656
01:45:07,950 --> 01:45:11,070
I think that's a great idea. You
just tap or do some sort of

1657
01:45:11,070 --> 01:45:14,040
gesture and it sets a marker and
then you can go back and later

1658
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:17,130
and just jump through it and
listen to those markers. And

1659
01:45:17,130 --> 01:45:17,730
man, is

1660
01:45:17,730 --> 01:45:22,470
there a whole nother ecosystem
in in markers? Because markers

1661
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:28,590
can in effect become crowdsource
chapters? Well, actually the

1662
01:45:28,590 --> 01:45:35,940
best way. Okay, I know how to do
this. I know how to do this. You

1663
01:45:35,940 --> 01:45:42,840
hit the boost button. That's it,
you hit the boost button, except

1664
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,750
you just the app just has to
track where you hit the boost

1665
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:49,440
button. So I'm expecting about
30,000 SAS from Dame Jen, unless

1666
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:54,210
we have a separate. Think about
it. Think about it. Yeah, I

1667
01:45:54,210 --> 01:45:57,690
mean, even even boosts, the way
they come in with this reporting

1668
01:45:57,690 --> 01:46:04,140
system can be used for chapters
that this would be another Rev.

1669
01:46:04,350 --> 01:46:07,320
This would be sort of our small
revenue generator for the app

1670
01:46:07,380 --> 01:46:10,860
who says small? It could Yes,
yeah, it could be huge. I mean,

1671
01:46:10,860 --> 01:46:14,280
it could this could be a
phenomenal feature, in fact.

1672
01:46:14,940 --> 01:46:18,510
Wow. Okay. I think we've said
enough. I mean, Dame Jana for

1673
01:46:18,510 --> 01:46:20,910
getting the juices flowing here.
Very good. Very good.

1674
01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:24,060
This would be like a premium
feature in the app. But you

1675
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:27,030
don't have to do an in app
purchase. You just boost boost.

1676
01:46:27,210 --> 01:46:29,820
Yeah, and an app gets paid to
track your

1677
01:46:29,820 --> 01:46:31,680
maybe it's a sad one side.

1678
01:46:32,220 --> 01:46:37,440
I love it. Great idea. Okay, so
her other her other idea was

1679
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:42,600
boosting to unlock additional or
more in depth content. She says

1680
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,870
Firstly, I know Adam is not a
super fan of exclusive content,

1681
01:46:46,590 --> 01:46:52,530
to subscribers, etc. Issues says
YouTube is starting to surface

1682
01:46:52,530 --> 01:46:55,260
links. This is where I thought
again, interesting, YouTube's

1683
01:46:55,260 --> 01:46:57,540
are starting to surface links
out at points in terms of

1684
01:46:57,540 --> 01:47:00,810
videos, I have no idea if this
is their algo or generated by

1685
01:47:00,810 --> 01:47:07,020
the channel owner. So the idea
is basically that you say says

1686
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:10,050
use case I'm listening to a
segment of a podcast and want to

1687
01:47:10,050 --> 01:47:13,440
go down a rabbit hole as
mentioned by the podcaster I get

1688
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:18,690
notified that such a hole exists
at that moment by the host. And

1689
01:47:18,690 --> 01:47:21,600
so like it surfaces a link or
something, maybe in a chapter,

1690
01:47:22,290 --> 01:47:24,720
there's a link there and then
the host can say well, you know,

1691
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,350
you, you got if you want to dig
deeper on this topic, here's,

1692
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:29,700
you know, click the link in the

1693
01:47:30,030 --> 01:47:32,280
right on the screen. We
essentially have that,

1694
01:47:32,789 --> 01:47:36,959
yes, with chapters, but then you
could then she's envisioning

1695
01:47:36,959 --> 01:47:38,009
some way of like,

1696
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:41,130
loading loading another podcast.

1697
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:46,740
That is the link being a boost
to sort of unlock it. So like

1698
01:47:46,740 --> 01:47:51,360
you're you're almost paying for
the podcast. Okay.

1699
01:47:51,390 --> 01:47:55,830
Are you ready? It's called the
paywall. Yeah, and guess who

1700
01:47:55,830 --> 01:47:56,430
makes them

1701
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:58,200
LMP Yes.

1702
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:02,970
Great idea and not

1703
01:48:03,810 --> 01:48:07,410
another great idea polls in the
race for access to the rabbit

1704
01:48:07,410 --> 01:48:07,710
hole. We

1705
01:48:07,710 --> 01:48:13,770
need a lot more women in our
group, ma'am. If we do that, and

1706
01:48:13,770 --> 01:48:17,190
I'm proud to say women think
differently from men and this is

1707
01:48:17,190 --> 01:48:21,510
a prime example. Great idea. But
I would have never come up with

1708
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:24,150
it. But when the minute I hear
that might Yeah, the kind of

1709
01:48:24,150 --> 01:48:28,800
like swings had has the you can
pay for a message to appear.

1710
01:48:30,300 --> 01:48:35,220
Great. So there would just be a
paywall is the button would be

1711
01:48:35,250 --> 01:48:38,340
right in the chapter. We can you
can author I think right into

1712
01:48:38,340 --> 01:48:42,480
the chapter which somehow magic
it'll happen. Brian of London

1713
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:53,790
can do it in hive. And we'll
have a bridge from hive. The day

1714
01:48:53,790 --> 01:48:56,940
that I can buy lightning with
hive will be the day anyway. So

1715
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,590
and then it just says you know,
unlock they go down the rabbit

1716
01:49:01,590 --> 01:49:05,790
hole five satoshis be click on
it, and then boom, it goes down

1717
01:49:05,790 --> 01:49:08,520
the rabbit hole does whatever
whatever is supposed to happen.

1718
01:49:08,820 --> 01:49:10,470
Great idea.

1719
01:49:11,250 --> 01:49:16,500
You're you are paying that
podcaster for their research.

1720
01:49:17,190 --> 01:49:17,580
Right?

1721
01:49:17,670 --> 01:49:22,500
Yeah. And that your URL, and
that URL probably can't be

1722
01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:25,830
scraped very easily.

1723
01:49:28,410 --> 01:49:31,890
Yeah, I don't know. No, that's
that's for Brian to figure out.

1724
01:49:34,770 --> 01:49:38,070
Where we are bad today. Mm hmm.
Yeah. Get on everybody.

1725
01:49:39,540 --> 01:49:41,610
Now, I mean, I think those are
great ideas.

1726
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:43,320
This is fantastic ideas

1727
01:49:43,380 --> 01:49:46,140
and the we're not against a
wall. No, no, this

1728
01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:50,670
is a perfect a perfect way of
doing it. I'm interested in

1729
01:49:50,670 --> 01:49:54,390
that. That's real. That's a
great idea. Like, do you want my

1730
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:58,110
address? Look at the chapter
right now. You can come visit me

1731
01:49:58,140 --> 01:50:02,430
It costs you 1 million satoshis
To read that to read my address,

1732
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,730
that's not very much he should
rethink that. We should raise

1733
01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:11,880
that. I have. Okay, we'll have
to talk about this next up, but

1734
01:50:11,910 --> 01:50:12,480
here it is.

1735
01:50:13,290 --> 01:50:17,010
I've got a great idea. I'm gonna
I gotta write these down. So

1736
01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:17,700
it's the,

1737
01:50:18,869 --> 01:50:22,679
okay, I pulled this out of the
stack. And we will talk about

1738
01:50:22,679 --> 01:50:25,379
this. We can talk about this
next week because I want to go

1739
01:50:25,379 --> 01:50:30,719
over this idea I had for
universal paywall stuff in the

1740
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:34,979
namespace, okay. And there's
just too much I could read,

1741
01:50:34,979 --> 01:50:37,469
familiarize myself with it. This
is a thing that a conversation

1742
01:50:37,469 --> 01:50:41,849
that I had with Tom and Kevin
from buzzsprout. About how do

1743
01:50:41,849 --> 01:50:47,219
you do universal subscriptions?
That would be like, apple pie,

1744
01:50:47,309 --> 01:50:49,469
you know, Spotify, blah, blah,
blah, all these siloed

1745
01:50:49,469 --> 01:50:52,139
subscription services, but it
would be through the namespace.

1746
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:55,859
And I think we can do it. So but
this this fits in with the

1747
01:50:55,859 --> 01:50:59,789
paywall idea that we can just
take the particular broader idea

1748
01:50:59,789 --> 01:51:02,159
of how to do the universal
subscriptions and just boil them

1749
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:03,329
down into like a chapter.

1750
01:51:03,509 --> 01:51:07,889
Can we can we fold that into the
fast follow concept and it's all

1751
01:51:07,889 --> 01:51:08,609
in a QR?

1752
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:11,100
Can't see why not?

1753
01:51:11,130 --> 01:51:14,370
Okay. I'm just putting it
perfectly. Yeah, that seems so

1754
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:19,050
universal. Wow, this is
accelerating. Can you feel it?

1755
01:51:19,590 --> 01:51:20,010
Yeah, we,

1756
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:23,910
I mean, we just we just solve
world peace.

1757
01:51:25,260 --> 01:51:29,550
And it's not even three o'clock
yet. You got to drink it to do

1758
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:34,980
it. Seriously. All right. I get
that. That's cool. Thank you.

1759
01:51:34,980 --> 01:51:37,950
Damn, Jennifer. Thank you,
Jamie. Jennifer and the new

1760
01:51:37,950 --> 01:51:40,230
boyfriend. Very Keep it up.

1761
01:51:40,740 --> 01:51:43,770
Not well. She just calls him the
boys.

1762
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:47,340
Oh, the boyfriend. Okay. Yeah.
Cuz I don't I have never known

1763
01:51:47,340 --> 01:51:50,820
her with a boyfriend. So he
can't be new.

1764
01:51:51,090 --> 01:51:52,770
He said he's a dude named Ben.

1765
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:57,180
Yes. I think he's also he was
aware of no agenda maybes and no

1766
01:51:57,180 --> 01:51:59,370
agenda producer. Yeah.

1767
01:52:00,060 --> 01:52:02,670
I gotcha. Okay. The dude named
boy.

1768
01:52:02,700 --> 01:52:05,430
I think they met at a meetup.
Actually, I could be wrong.

1769
01:52:06,210 --> 01:52:06,690
There you go.

1770
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,030
How cool would that be? That
would be a good story.

1771
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,100
first child, madam.

1772
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:17,610
They get to get they get to get
to like kid four before they get

1773
01:52:17,610 --> 01:52:20,550
today. Three

1774
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:26,100
are both biblical figures. You
know, you can get the whole

1775
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:30,120
thing. It's great. Yeah. Well,
thank you all very much as the

1776
01:52:30,150 --> 01:52:34,680
very great contributions, good
notes, good ideas. And this is

1777
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:38,700
what a board meeting should be.
Very cool. Very, very cool.

1778
01:52:39,300 --> 01:52:42,720
Anything I got left is probably
just for next week. What

1779
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:47,520
is this rap song that I did not
play? Yeah. That's for the end

1780
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,490
of the show. Well, we're here
brother we're we've I think it's

1781
01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:52,080
the one of the longest shows
ever.

1782
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:57,750
That's our buddy Kyle a bear
from Louisiana. He's the voice

1783
01:52:57,750 --> 01:53:01,050
actor he said he got from wild
hair

1784
01:53:01,050 --> 01:53:05,220
subatomic boombox from what is
it the intergalactic or galactic

1785
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:09,300
that's a good name. Good band
name

1786
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:14,760
yeah he's he said he got a wild
hair and in get inspired and did

1787
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,320
a industrial makes for us.

1788
01:53:16,440 --> 01:53:19,890
Alright, here we go. It does
have a title it says its end of

1789
01:53:19,890 --> 01:53:24,000
show mix PC to rap song gets and
shingles.

1790
01:53:24,090 --> 01:53:29,550
Okay, hello, I'm get and this is
my partner. She goes, Oh, we're

1791
01:53:29,550 --> 01:53:34,110
to play or new single
podcasting. 2.0 is a future

1792
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:38,700
show. Quit living in the past.
You feel the gig. Along with

1793
01:53:38,700 --> 01:53:42,060
your work in progress. Okay, so
anyway, I'm on the mic, and I'm

1794
01:53:42,060 --> 01:53:45,360
dropping them fat beats. She
goes What are you gonna do? Oh,

1795
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:56,820
I'm playing the theremin. Okay,
go 2.0 Jeff, images LinkedIn mo

1796
01:53:59,730 --> 01:54:04,830
what you waiting for? I don't
know. chapters, transcripts,

1797
01:54:04,890 --> 01:54:09,180
images, links stream
micropayments to the podcast and

1798
01:54:09,180 --> 01:54:12,810
sensitive Oh, she's in real time
over the lightning network using

1799
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:16,380
a compatible podcasting 2.0 app.
Just go to new podcast.

1800
01:54:16,380 --> 01:54:20,880
apps.com. net new podcast apps
calm. And for more info go to

1801
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:26,250
podcast. index.org boost. Wow.

1802
01:54:26,370 --> 01:54:32,430
Wow, fantastic. This is now I
can see. I just suggesting Dame

1803
01:54:32,430 --> 01:54:35,160
Jennifer could do a great little
animated video to go with these

1804
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:35,820
two guys.

1805
01:54:36,060 --> 01:54:38,070
Oh, that'd be great. Again,

1806
01:54:38,130 --> 01:54:42,390
she goes very nice. Very, very
nice. That's cool, man. Thank

1807
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:42,660
you

1808
01:54:45,690 --> 01:54:49,560
guys, so awesome. That's all I
got me that well, of course.

1809
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:49,800
There's

1810
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:53,190
lots lots to talk about. lots
going on. And we'll just have to

1811
01:54:53,190 --> 01:54:58,320
do another board meeting next
week and Steven, Steven be

1812
01:54:58,320 --> 01:54:58,800
coming on

1813
01:54:58,890 --> 01:55:00,630
Steven be coming. Oh yeah. Cool,

1814
01:55:00,660 --> 01:55:04,350
cool well cast by this time next
week Steven B will have already

1815
01:55:04,350 --> 01:55:08,640
implemented the all those pieces
including the fast follow and

1816
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:15,270
the the great idea there for
concealed content to be here

1817
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:18,510
next week thanks safe Have a
great weekend brother. See y'all

1818
01:55:18,510 --> 01:55:19,230
next week Take care.

1819
01:55:35,220 --> 01:55:39,810
You have been listening to
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1821
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