podcasting 2.0 for July 9 2021, Episode 45 we are pressing the
flesh and kissing babies. Yeah, man. It is Friday once again
time for the board meaning of podcasting 2.0 everything going
on around podcast index.org podcast index dot social
podcasting in general. It's been a long week and a lot to talk
about. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Hill Country, Texas
and in Alabama to drew one of the good my friend on the other
end, Dave Jones. Oh, I like that one. Yeah, you can put that in
your in your email signature.
I'm trying to figure out I was eating some dried green beans.
As soon as one does as one does on Fridays.
I love these things, but I can't I have yet to understand why.
Why they cost like, a million dollars an ounce. They Okay, so
if you look at a can of green beans, yeah. Like 15 ounces of
green beans. And it's like me No, 90 cents. Well,
this is this is the temporary inflation that is just gonna
pass us by. Well, these things are like
five ounces for like $8
Wow, that's almost as much as we'd crazy.
I don't know if you can smoke it.
Well, that is next on the list. Of course. Yeah.
Clearly there is something in the drying and the green bean
drying process that I do not understand.
Yeah, I think it's just all it's all supply chain. I couldn't get
any shallots the other day. Oh, and at hgb which is like our
regular grocery store. But actually fantastic. Love them.
Texas company. And the guys like nah, now there's no one to pack
them and no one wants to work and no one wants to drop drugs
rise. Okay. headshots for three weeks is crazy. I'm trying and
looking
clicking on the industry
when it comes with instructions,
and ama ingredients, not instructions. I do not see I was
looking for maybe there may be like rare earth metals in here.
Something drove the price up. But no. It's just green beans.
This is the official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 we
do it live and we do it every single Friday. We love bringing
people in. We're gonna open the door for a second. Please
welcome the gentleman you see to my left for the green visor and
the desk lamp none other than the third leg of the index
stool. Eric Mackey, everybody. How's it going? Good. He doesn't
talk much. But when he talks it's so meaningful. What's your
what's your commercial? Like when so in so talks, people
listen. What was that? Who was that guy? It was like an
investment when Charles Schwab It was like,
Oh, you mean the guy that's that is mean a million times?
Yes. I when so and so. You know when this guy told? Yeah. From
the from, from the tequila guy. No, I thought it was the Burling
was he Burlington coats or something? I'm Burlington Coat
Factory. But I don't know about GE we're really off to a rockin
start here. What do we know? Nothing. Nothing.
Nothing on top. On top of things. Yeah.
Wow, man.
I've got something to hit right off the bat. All right. Unless
you got anything. Eric, you want to jump into? No, no, I'm I want
to talk about how awesome the tip jar is. Steven, get that
working
with the with the notes.
Oh, with the Yeah, with the message and the
message. Yes. Fantastic. I sent a message. I know he didn't get
it. Oh, no. How would he get it? Can he read these messages? I
don't know what his wallet is? I
don't know. Um, I think he uses Satoshi stream. So he might
he may be able to see it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that was my first
one. I'm like, oh, let me put this in here. I said thanks for
the name, check. Boom.
Let's see. So I got I sent myself this is exactly what
we're talking about last show. I set myself to a 2112 boost.
Sorry, I got so much paper here. I sent myself a 2112 boost is
what came through with the original donation amount listed
with the app name and my message so it's got all the details that
we need
does also have a timestamp of when in the podcast. Oh my God.
That is so cool. Well, the cool
oh, people understand the what this means. I mean, this is a
complete cut out of all middlemen. This goes straight in
this cut straight through and there's all the papers gone,
Patreon are gone. all that crap is gone. This is a Straight
donations directly from the users app to the podcasters.
podcast wallet, yeah, with a message and an amount, and
everything and nobody in between none.
Nobody gets to see this. It's not even a year. It's not even a
year and we dream this shit. This is fantastic. It's
incredible.
And because I've got a script now that I wrote, they can pull
these out. So if people donate to the show, using the tip jar,
we can donate it, we can pull it out and read them on the show
just like a pay pal donate.
So cool. Love that. Now when when is the split? It goes to
both or multiple nodes the same? Oh, no, if it's a tip jar, then
it's just a one node typically, right?
Well, he's got both. So he's got you can tip you can choose a
person to tip a node to tip or you can go in there his other
option is send do a do a donation to everybody at the
same time with a message. Everybody gets the message
I hadn't I hadn't seen that it wasn't apparent to me.
It's not it's a little and then this would be a criticism.
This podcast
app review
color scheme on Curio caster, the black the grayscale makes
things hard to it makes it hard to see when you're when there's
other options. And so on the tip on the tab.
Oh, I see it there message boost? I got I got it. Holy
crap. Now 500 characters is that the limit of the of the TLB?
record? 1300 bytes is the limit to the TLB. Okay, that for me
that's like and does not answering my question.
What it's asking if it's an ASCII message, it would have you
know, one byte per character, okay. It's like, you know,
Unicode or something this language, it would be multibyte.
I'm not sure what the TLV is assuming? I'm assuming it's
asking.
Yeah, it would seem so. Well,
I think at the bottom level UTF, even UTF, eight, I think at the
ASCII level of UTF. Eight, correct me if I'm wrong, Eric,
but I think those are single byte anyways, that right? I
don't know. I'd have to look it up. I think that I think like
the first 128 or whatever it is characters of UTF. Eight.
believe those are just straight ASCII single byte characters
for context. One of the biggest things in podcast news this past
week, has been the fact that show notes now work in Apple.
And here we are sending donations direct from listener
in their app to the podcast or with a message with a timestamp.
Way, way, way back up. Apple has show notes with HTML links back
up. Why don't why didn't we lead off with that? Wait, I'm sorry.
Dave hijack the show rundown. What can I tell you? Just
burying the lede? You go ahead.
That is that is the that's Yeah, that seven six to 9171 tip TLV I
love it so yeah.
And and I welcome the Reaganites who something weird happened
when I was on Rogan this was the PR work week for me somehow
you are all over the place, man.
Yeah, and I just kept dropping podcasting 2.0 as much as I
could on Rogan. But here's what was interesting. Cuz we were
talking about mastodon at some point. I'm like, Oh, yeah, this
is you gotta check it out. And it was interesting because Jamie
fired it up. And the first thing he said is always like a Tweet
Deck. Like, okay, how am I going to get beyond this? This remark
but then he couldn't get to no agenda social calm I think he
was doing www and who does that anymore but which doesn't
resolve on our end. And then I said, I'll just try podcasts
index dot social. So now I have about a 500 new followers on
podcast, index that social and which is kind of cool. Because,
you know, I don't post all that much. It's more responses, etc.
But, but now they're going to see the post of the show, and
they go, Oh, wow, let's listen. And then they're gonna learn all
about the tip
TLV know exactly exactly what we want the introduction to the
show to be exactly.
My thought was, because I listened to the show, I listened
to your Rogan appearance, and it harmed me internally to have to
open the Spotify app to watch it. But I did it anyway for the
show. You should have
been on no agenda, social because all kinds of produce
Just came up with ways to avoid using the Spotify. And by the
way, I don't I don't condone that at all I pay for my
content. If I really want something, I'll go to the past.
I don't believe in privacy. That's just that's me
personally. So you won't see me liking anybody who's ripped
defeat or anything like that.
No, there was a couple of them that found direct Spotify links
that he didn't need the app. You could get a direct from Spotify.
It wasn't a rip. It was
Oh, you kidding? Oh, I didn't know it was wrong. Spotify
server? Oh, that's fair game, then. It was just no, I totally
agree with you. I don't I don't want pirated stuff. But at the
same time, you know, but it was, but it was interesting. How many
people like I can't listen, I won't listen, I hate Spotify.
That's that's an interesting response. Even though a lot of
people want to listen to it. And you Dave are clearly just a
turncoat.
No, buckled. Well, they've didn't want to say anything, but
they offered me an exclusive deal. Oh.
And this is your last show. And yeah, I'm gonna
have to say, please download the app. It's free. It's free. It's
free. It's free. It's free. It's free to finish
your thought. And then I do have some things to say about
Spotify.
Oh, yeah. So my first thought was, because you're sitting
there talking about podcasting, 2.0, and streaming video
streaming, lightning, Bitcoin payment, and all this stuff. And
I'm like, I wonder if I wonder how Spotify feels? Clearly that
is their flagship show, they paid $100 million for it. He's
the biggest show on Spotify. I wonder how they feel about their
biggest show on Spotify. The championing an alternate, a
clear, subversive competitor to everything that they're doing.
Well, as you know, they listen to the show, and I got to,
I think I can answer that for you. Yeah, first of all, I love
Joe for now, he doesn't even think about that. He doesn't
think that way.
He does not think Taylor never crossed his mind.
He No, he does not think that right. And I was, you know, very
cautious. I'm like, you know, but I forgot, just go for it. So
I went to look at Spotify as q1 financial and management report
of the first quarter of 2021. Cuz I wanted to see how they
talk about Rogan and podcasting. So now, the way they report
their numbers is year over year that I didn't see a quarter over
quarter. So yeah, I mean, compared to first quarter 2020
versus 2021. You know, Rogen stuff is obviously going to do
better, because you know, yeah, just barely started in the in
the first queue. So overall, it was interesting. But first of
all, they never use the term podcasting anywhere in in any
report any revenue, nothing. They only talk about the all
encompassing audio platform where all things audio. So
there's not a mention of podcasting. In the in the
breakdown of the management report, there is a one line
about Rogan new users for Rogan is up and we're very pleased
with it. They did not give a number no percentage etc. Oddly,
their ma use their monthly average users are down a little
bit really yeah, down a little bit. So I'm thinking that they
may be converting people who are already customers, he can't
really decipher it from the language or at least I couldn't.
And it kind of dawned on me as I'm reading this report. Here,
there's no breakout of of the money for podcasting.
advertising revenues are up for them. But that I think is
logical because more people want free. But also, you know, they
they do have more people converting. So that makes sense.
But I think we're giving them too much credence, they don't
actually care. And they see themselves as the place for all
audio, kind of, they're kind of doing an apple in a way. It's
like Apple has, you know, cool devices that keep you secure
and, and make you feel good when you use them. And we change the
world when you use them. And Spotify is anything by the way,
nothing about video, which is kind of what Rogan's main
audience driver, I would say is his video and shareable video
that was back on YouTube. To me, I don't think they actually even
care about podcasting. You know, they want to form teams. So a
cast is, you know, bring people in that way. And they still I
mean, anchor, the anchor, I'm sorry.
And they still oddly kind of talk about anchor as a you know,
As this business unit they get agreements with, I'm not quite
sure how that worked, why it was stated that way. So when you
kind of look at the changes in some of these hosts, or the, the
the non interest for for podcasting, is because they're
not in the podcasting business. They're in the audio business,
and they believe that they can capture the entire world, just
like Google does for search. We're Google for audio. And I
love listening to, like Todd and Rob, because even though we know
the hosting business, we don't really know the hosting business
in the community. Yeah. And I hear that they also I mean,
they're, they put it in a different way. But I think that,
to me, the general message is, why do we even care about them,
it really doesn't matter. The only thing they can do, and the
only thing the only thing they're interested in is picking
up hits. So but as the as the place, oh, everyone's gonna use
podcasts on Spotify. There's just no evidence for it. There's
no evidence for it.
So how do they justify spending that much money though, Bro, I
mean, money is free. There's so much money in the way Eric can
jump in anytime you want. Eric, there's so much free money. I
mean, here's what you do. You're Amazon, you're Jeff Bezos, you
go to. I mean, if you're at that level, you borrow the money
effectively for free, some people borrow it and then buy
bitcoin. That's the micro strategy. Some people borrow the
money for free, and buy whole foods. Spotify, borrow the money
for free bought Rogen. That's what's going on there. But it
hits business by itself. If that was the only way to go, then
we'd only have you know, RCA Records now. Now there would
never be a Motown there would never be Interscope. So I'm
quite pleased. I was like, you know, I think about it, who
cares? It's really not that interesting. They'd certainly
don't care. And I don't think they're stealing any real market
share. Except maybe from some of the companies who want to be in
the advertising game, and they don't like it. That That stuff
is, you know, that Spotify kind of controls the whole experience
in the end the listener, but you know, it's not really that
important. And look at our futures, you know, our features
are killing it.
Well, so that, well, the flip side of that is, why are we not
getting more adoption of features?
We don't have enough host supporting enough features.
That's what I'm saying. Not on, why are there not enough? And we
still could have more education. And I have on my notes here. Any
that is buzz cast or the what's the what's the libsyn cast? Or
the Yeah, but the blueberry cast or the new meet whatever it is,
if, if, if I can if I can be of any assistance. I'm always very
happy to go on and talk about stuff.
Well, I wasn't. I was very happy that Jim at podcast one reached
out to me. Oh, this is the podcast one. That's the norm.
pattice.
I know norm pass. That's the the old radio guy. Yeah, very
successful. He had a huge radio and what did he have? Did he
have premiere radio networks? Eric, do you remember? No, I
don't remember. Why did we invite Eric today? Not for
references.
is for all your deep not your deep cut knowledge of radio,
radio, radio, and ASCII character. By all mean, hey, if
you Melissa and Melissa will tell me some story about
something she and she's like, you know, tell me some story
about some person in Argentina. And I'm like, I'm and I'll just
be thinking about it and go off on something. And I'm like,
Well, you know what, what is? What is the main National Export
of Argentina? She's like, I don't know. Where are you? I'm
sorry. I don't I don't mean it that I don't mean to put you on
the spot. But now that I think of it, but yeah, he now what
is Jim Jim is what's what's his position CTO?
All right. All CTO? Yes. He he reached out to me on the
mastodon and we said we're going to talk next week about them
implementing some tags. And then which is which is fantastic. But
then, you know, I was asking James Cridland um, you know, he
posted this article from Ross Adams over diecast. Yeah. And
Ross Adams was like singing the praises of open RSS.
Yeah, I saw you tweeted I saw you tweet.
me like I'm just a little bitter. I'm
just a little block flomax. flomax flummoxed? Yes and
foremost, if you're singing the praises of RSS, the
extensibility through a namespace. And if you're talking
about podcasting, it seems like you omitted something. And does
he know, he must know about it?
Oh, he has to, he has to know about me. And I reached reached
out to simplecast. radio silence, I reached out to pod
bean, nothing. And I'm just, I'm just flummoxed as to why these,
these hosting companies are like, dragging their feet, I
don't really get it. It seemed
like, wow, you know, I think I pray, perhaps what will happen
is someone's going to say, you know, we're just going to pull
ahead with this, you know, already you see buzzsprout, an
RSS calm and, you know, they're really, really pushing hard. But
and also, I'll be the first to recognize how difficult that
actually is. If you just talk cloud chapters, to build an
experience for podcasters to use that is understandable user,
what we would call UX. It's not easy. So I'm, you know, for us,
it's like, just give me a form. I just fill in the shit. I know
what to do. Right?
How would you know at first I was thinking, Well, is it? Is it
old? This? Is it. The Old Guard podcast hosts, they're dragging
their feet, and versus the new ones that are hungry and ready
to get no, that's not really know. The bus. I mean, bus has
been around since the very beginning. Lipson has been
around since the very beginning. They don't have tags yet. But
they at least are supporting the namespace. Yeah. Blueberry,
they've been around since the very beginning the foundation of
podcasting, they're supporting it. And then you've got to you
know, fireside captivate RSS Comm. transistor, those are
about, you know, a mix of newer those. So I really don't know is
it almost, it feels like, perhaps there's good,
but what Well, what I what I feel. And what I've heard, is
everyone is in some big, bigger app developers that we might
know. They all they all say the same thing. Well, we're gonna
wait for some bigger guy to implement it first. And you had
a great rant about that on a previous show. We know we don't
have to rehash it. But thank you. But you know, that's fine.
Someone's somewhere someone's gonna go all out. And I saw the
WordPress plugin, which I believe works with blueberry
added value for value support now. Yeah, value lock. Yep.
Cool. Very cool. So what Tell me about a cast who owns a cast?
Are they just their own thing?
thinks they're their own thing? Don't know. That's a good
question. Let me see if I can. Ross Adams is their CEO. I don't
know who if anybody owns them. Is there There used to be this
flow chart that will show you like who owned who in
podcasting. But I don't know where you find that anymore.
Well, they have Investor Relations. Are they public?
Oh, gosh, are they? Are they public? Eric? There we go.
Well, they're in Sweden. Okay. They're in Sweden. Okay. So they
might be listened to?
Why, okay, I have a different potential. Is it the case that
the crypto involvement that causes hesitancy no
being that now? Now, you don't have to implement that you don't
have to implement anything.
But do they know that? That's what I'm saying it because it
because, you know, we talked about it is you know, it's all
part and parcel. So you get one you get the other? And I don't
know if you see I'm saying like there's a distinction between
all the other namespace tags. And then there's the leadership
saying there's,
and I understand, I think we can give people more credit. I mean,
if you're in the business, I think it's it's purely. Who are
these guys? I think it's still Who are these guys? What are
they doing? What's the deal? Oh, it's open source? I think that's
a lot of that. I mean, so right now, the smart people, and I
would say some of them come from France. I know. I know. I know,
I know, I'm showing my cards here. But when when the French
Library Association says, Hey, this is the right this thing is
the right thing to do. Let's reach out we want now what do
they want, Eric? Because I'm not quite sure they want it to
access. They want. They want everything. Okay, what does that
understanding they want? They want to access their library. So
they want that they want access to the database,
right? They don't need much permission for that. Do they?
Are they just checking to see if they won't hammer us or what's
the deal?
I don't know what I mean, we're still early on, but just looking
into what they're doing, and Just the initial emails, they
want kind of an ongoing direct bulk access and because they
want to their archivist, you know they want to, they want to
have at all God.
Could they also be great? First of all, thanks to Benjamin
Bellamy for jumping on that and totally and facilitating the
communication, cuz I just I just picked it up from the General
infoed podcast index.org I'm looking I'm like, I think I know
what they're asking throw to the Google Translate bank still
don't know exactly what they're asking.
Yeah, I picked up about 20% of what I was reading and then the
Benjamin Bellamy's response I picked up 0%.
Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, my point is, but my point is that
those are people who are still have no budget, I'm sure. You
know, they, they just survive on whatever their their existing
budget is. You know, just for operating live, I've done a lot
for library love libraries, what's left of them. But they
clearly see that this is a great way to go.
Well, it's a huge library. I mean, it's it is not I mean,
it's like 70,000 books in this library. It's an enormous
library.
Is it just one library? Or is it a whole bunch of them? Or how
does that work? You know,
my? Well, you know, from what I can tell, it's one specific, but
it's an enormous library and in Switzerland,
is a Swiss. I thought it was in Paris. No, it's French speaking
Swiss.
Ah,
this is why the French was difficult. I got it. Correct.
Oh, that's right. In Switzerland, there's like, four
or five different dialects Italian. Yeah, that's right.
Okay, now. Right.
So a cast interesting, huh?
No, no. I mean, a clear they clearly love RSS and are
committed to openness. So I'm assuming they'll show up at some
point.
What I like about podcast one is that this is the way I probably
should have tried to do it at at pod show. Although I still, I
still have my doubts. So that, you know, they purchased they
bought a number of hits early on, I think Adam Carolla show.
Just going back to podcast one
over there. Is that correct? crolla? That,
yeah, yeah, cuz he brought it in a couple of people, and they
were stars, and we're going to create a network. And this was
quite a while ago, not I think about it. So who knows how
they're doing and they have some kind of advertising. They're
basically running it like radio. And so now, you have the
launchpad one, which is what I thought Spotify was doing, which
they're not. Launchpad one is kind of like, you know, do your
thing we'll help you with, with donations will take a 4%
processing fee. So it's kind of a hybrid model. But definitely,
I mean, it's going to be a farm team for them to see if anything
crops up. And in the meantime, they can really drive a lot of
innovation, because they're also the hosting company, you know,
the hosting and the network. That's, that's, you know, in the
end, they want to be open, and they only want 4%, I'd say
they're serious players. And think about it, why don't they
take 4% of a value block, that would be just as good for them.
I wonder when other hosting companies will, will, because
you think about networks, and hosts. But then there's a couple
of these that are like both. Now wonder if eventually that's
where everything will go is the host hosting companies will
begin to bring on begin to operate more like networks,
I think I think a lot of them tried early on. And that's how
they kind of also got into the advertising game. But you have
to have so much scale and such big hits for the advertising
game. Whereas, you know, this is the way I see it. In essence,
it's a Patreon type back end that's bolted on to a hosting
company that does have a promotional arm that can be used
if that promotional arm wants to. But in the meantime, the
value proposition you're getting i think is better than some of
the other free services because this is they're pretty honest
upfront, they're not saying free free free for the saying hey,
we're gonna help you make money want to take 4% of your of the
transaction.
What would keep somebody like buzzsprout from going out there
and just finding a hot show and say and just doing a call and
doing a deal? And saying okay, you're going to be you know,
you're going to be are essentially what they do with
think pod land. I mean, pod land is brought to you by buzzsprout
make could they go out and get somebody like a you know, I
don't know just a hot podcast and This got not mega not not
Rogen says but but that middle tier is profitable making money
and say, Okay, we'll do a, we'll do a deal with you. And then
we're going to be but it's going to be brought to you by bus
cast. You don't you don't go exclusive, you keep the RSS you
stay in the open ecosystem, but you begin to sort of build up a
portfolio of like, mid level talent there.
Yeah, but what is the goal? What is the goal? If you have just to
hit this is just about money? Or is it bringing in more people
because you have an offer? By the way, I would advise against
it. Okay, what they do, what they do is not I mean, they have
a marketing budget, and they spread stuff around. And they do
that I think they do that very wisely. And in targeted places.
You know, where, where do you want? Where do you think
podcasters may want to hear about hosting features? Well,
pod land? That would be a good one. Yeah, but maybe, but maybe
not. I mean, the Rogen thing is not comparable to me. And you
can see it that there's no metrics, they really don't the
only metric is Yeah, we got new people using the podcast or not
even that new people. Consuming I there's I don't have in front
of me. But it's like okay, conversions for Rogan. But yet
overall, monthly, average use is down. or average, average
monthly average users is down.
One thing I thought was interesting on this shit hold
on is that users are usage. Eric, Ma, you
thought it was users? I think its users to max for sure. Now.
I know. And the other thing, are they kind of trying to
monthly active users and Okay, monthly active users now. So I
think their stuff is changing, you know, something, something
is definitely up these companies mature. This had not paid
attention to podcast one for a long, long time. In fact, when I
heard the pod land episode, I'm like, well, this guy's cruisin
for a lawsuit. How can you call it podcast? One one that already
exists?
Today, it was the same guy.
Yeah. Well, he was talking about launch pad one. But that's okay.
This is the flip side to podcast one. That's they must have
bought that. Did they buy the the launch pad? Have they
created themselves? I think
they just found it themselves. And
that's another reason why the CTO can call you and say, Hey,
you know, I'm interested because I actually know how this thing
works. I don't have to talk to a team that we bought. Yeah, I can
talk to you know, my main guys or gals? peoples.
Yeah. So that kind of goes off. Do you want to talk about
anything about the new site? Eric, do you want to? Cuz I
mean, it's kind of it's kind of related. I mean, we, you're in
the homestretch of that thing right now. And this would be,
this is a way for, we're hoping that the new site will be able
to interface with a lot of this stuff where the where the
holsters can't necessarily do the value block. This is what
this is going to help with. You want to sort of go into that at
all? Yeah, I mean, where to start? Well, where? How far? How
far? How far away? Do you think it is? A couple weeks? Maybe?
Um, yeah, I'd say, depending on how testing goes. But I'd say
yeah, week, week and a half, when we can have we can start
rolling some stuff.
This is a type of rollout that goes all in one or do we sack do
section by section,
we're going to, well, kind of like, you know, we'll probably
roll the front end side up. And the admin will get rolled out at
least the admin with a lot of a lot of the features kind of
coming on board over time. Because it can be kind of like,
yeah, we're gonna switch out, roll out the platforms, and then
kind of just start adding and turning on the things that are
kind of being built and tested as we go, because there's a lot
of pieces of the puzzle coming together.
And can you tell us about that? So the admin what, what is just
the general idea of, of podcast index, having an admin at all?
Who is this for? Is it for all users? What can you do? What,
what is the purpose? Do you need to have it? Is that enough
questions?
Take all of those.
Yeah. Okay. So first, so the admin is kind of the same way
that you have an admin for Google, it's like you can go in
you can. So the idea is the podcaster can go and see how
we're managing their feeds, they can update us directly. And in
the case of the value block, if they have a host that doesn't
support, you know, they can't edit their feed, they can tell
us which then we tell the 2.0 apps when they query gives the
value block information so we can kind of bolt on and
supplement and enable them to be to do the value block and start
streaming payments when they're home. isn't necessarily up to
speed yet on the 2.0 namespace. Excellent. And so yeah, that's,
that's the admin. And then obviously, that would be where
we would start delivering stats and reporting that we have
access to and help supplement and give them information
related to their podcasts and preferably maybe even query
stats. So they can see, just like Google, you can see how
many times you know, people are querying and stuff like that.
Now, for the for the listen side. So when when people show
up, and you know, obviously you can search and that's something
that people may not be showing up for, or they are, how do we
work in the right off the bat get, I really think we need to
find a way to get people to want to try a new app. And maybe it's
just as simple as saying, try a podcasting two point app. Now.
Right at the top right, now just land and then take it to a page.
Which ideally, I would say, the developers themselves manage
their own detail of what to do. Yeah, sorry,
which is, yeah, I mean that because in my head, and this is
going to be kind of the we're running. We need to still handle
and onboard listeners, even though we're not providing an
app, we're provide, you know, we're delivering content and the
app. And so listeners are gonna come to us to look for
potentially both new things to listen to, or to find their
podcast or find a new app. And so yeah, we do need to in that
listen page, we do have to, we really want to push the we want
to push the apps and say, Okay, yeah, you look your pod your,
your, your podcast, that you listen to her here, here's some
more that you might be interested in. Oh, yeah. Look at
all the features that 2.0 delivers for you as a listener,
you know, and why you should be using a 2.0 app, and then
supporting your podcast this
way, can we do a platform query so that we, when you get an app,
it sends someone to a page that has the apps? So if you're iOS,
you get iOS? and web apps? Yeah, easily. That's the thing. That's
probably a cool idea. Because it's so much easier for from a
user perspective than kind of hunting around which one? Yeah,
they always have their Android apps, desktop apps this way. But
I think web apps should be included in every search,
obviously, as a result,
once the once the value block goes in, so just so people are
clear, this is this, the onboarding site that Eric is, is
in the homestretch of building here is going to be a
replacement for podcast or podcast index.org and podcast or
wallet, both, right, it's gonna take those two things and merge
them into one coherent site, where, if you're a podcaster,
you can go and claim claim your feet in the index, and then
insert the value block for yourself with splits and all
that jazz. And then also get in the next step would be at
redirect, you know, shown where an app is that will support 2.0.
So if that, if that's the case, then what you could do is you
could like, have a list of apps there and click on it or tap on
it or whatever, then it kicks you out to an app with your
podcast pre loaded.
Yeah. Nice.
Like, because they're almost all the apps now support, you know,
hotlinking or deep linking directly into a show from the
link right now would be pretty cool.
You know, one day my dream will come true where the podcasts
are, maintains their podcast feed in the same app that is
consumed in one day.
The wiziwig Yeah, like Microsoft
Word, you know, you write it in Word, you read it in Word.
Well, I think on the on the podcast, Detail page, on the
listen side, we can actually just do all of the podcasts We
are, we are well, I added or started building in the kind of
the directory so that the apps can go in to update their
information, their links, they'll go Good, good, good.
And, and but but also, I built it into the directory as
categories. So if we have a wallet provider or a node
provider, or a web host, they can put their stuff in so that
people so both the podcaster and listener side can find the
relevant good both both for the on ramp and for just when
they're on the site. So on the detail page for a podcast, we
can have all the links to the podcast like here, here's here's
all the 2.0 apps and here's the link and then and then do a days
at which is then we can go right into their app right and say I'm
right there, right and onboard them right into
the app. So, God, that's cool.
So I've got an idea that I got it, I got kicked, check this
out. So whenever a pilot
says, check this out, you know, you're gonna die. Hold my beer.
The they, okay, so in the future, once we get, once we get
this thing stable, then because we are talking about, the way
this is gonna work is you're gonna have the onboarding side,
and then you're going to put in your value block. And it's going
to call a private API back to the index that will allow
whatever your value block is that you put in and allow it to
be stuck directly into your feed, as we know it in the
index. So that correct podcast apps to use us can get your
value block out. So step two in the future, once this stuff's
working in Java, and is that we can go to the host, and update
the host. So like, yes, yes, proxy sexy mobis. Proud allows
custom, like you can, you can open a support ticket and put in
accussed. And they will put in custom XML for you. So we could
work with with the hosts, like in this case, buzzsprout to
maybe develop a private API, where we can handle Yeah, yeah,
here's a P, here's the piece of XML. And you don't have to open
up a support ticket and have to sift through some review process
or something like that. Maybe, but
so used to just handing back to the entire namespace elements
with just the XML block, or,
yeah, just the value for the value.
The value the value tag. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Good. Good. Good.
Yeah, it's almost like hard paying for value blocks. Yeah.
Right. It's my first time, reverse piping,
or rpp. I want to I want to emphasize my Eric, I really
appreciate the amount of work you're putting into doing this.
I mean, this is not trivial, certainly on some of the stats
side and stuff that you've been working on for, for the
podcasters. It's a lot of work. And it's kind of fun to see you
and Dave doing that on the on our signal chat. I just sit
back.
It's figuring out how to how to make some of these things happen
with the parameters we have with lightning and everything else to
is kind of a
because you're talking about doing stats from both
directions. So like, if it's an lm pay, hosted wallet, you could
get stats through that. Or if the if there have a private
node, they could provide you with a macaroon. And then you
could pull the stats off off of their thing. I mean, that's
coming down the line. But like, you're you're talking about
going both directions with it to get some stats,
right. So that podcasters, I don't, because again, we're
trying to, you know, if they want to go and pay route, and go
the non custodial if they want to go, you know, or custodial.
And if they want to, you know, do that run their own, or
whatever we can. And even if they don't want to do value
enable, we can still hopefully give them as much stats and data
as we can give them. So it's all consolidated. And you've already
got this tasty stream thing.
I mean, like, I think you showed me that this morning, right?
Yeah, no, that part's done. So people can onboard on the
Satoshi stream straight off direct.
Oh, really. And it connects and it works. And you get all the
data or how does that how does that function?
We were no, we're not pulling data from Satoshi stream right
now. But we are onboarding. So if somebody wants
Ah, yes, plus, yes, yes. Gotcha, gotcha. Right. So you have front
to back, someone showing up saying, Yeah, I want to, I want
to value for value enable, my feed is a verification, and then
you choose the Toshi streams, and it
works. And then it's hooked up. And then we give them the next
step per Satoshi streams instructions. And then they go,
they they take the next steps to go finish what they need to do
relative to that vendor. And if we have another vendor comes
along, they can get plugged into the on ramp as well. Nice.
Yeah. And I think that that's something that people need to
understand is that number one, the XML, the value blog, and
everything in the namespace is all it's all open. We don't we
don't control it. No. But then the number two is that we, we
make our 1% off of the whole thing. We make that through our
relationship with apps. And so anything on the back end, like
Satoshi stream, or LMP, or voltage or anybody can do these
things on the back end. And it's not any sort of skin off our
back at all. That's the more the more pathways to onboarding the
better the
better. Yeah.
Yes, there's no there's no yeah, there's no there's no The
siloing going on on the back of our system. It's purely just
onboard as many people as you can get, because that's how you
grow the system. Last night
Tina and I went to the Max Max and Stacy Kaiser f Ilan added
that party in Austin.
So Stacy had orange hair
yeah and Max wars Bitcoin swimming trunks Well, the I
mean, it was it was kind of exactly what you'd expect from
from you know a hastily organized punk bash kind of
thing. It was the right place the the spider spider Ballroom
in in Austin is perfect you know they have poetry slams and drag
drag competitions. What was interesting to me is the amount
of people now mind you this of course is a Bitcoin crowd but
even the Bitcoin crowd You know, there's so a lot of exposure
that all of this needs. A lot of people were talking about
streaming satoshis a lot of them and that's what they stream in
SATs man. I love it.
That's cool.
Yeah, it really then I got to talk about it with Stacey for
you know what interesting, because what she really
highlighted what she knows is crowd, it's their is their
audience was f the middleman. People love that aspect of it.
They think what your take so even Patreon. Yeah, like as
Patreon okay? Because the whole idea of the middleman is
something that this group, and I'd say they're all kind of the
same age now. They're all older millennials. 25 to 35 in that
range, they all they're sick of it to seek out the middleman.
They love this idea of freedom.
Well, it's, it's, it's an it's also a total privacy as well,
because I don't know did y'all? If y'all listen to that? I think
it's Dutch. The event name that you saw, it's one of the Bitcoin
magazine podcasts. I think it's called the
is that the one marnix
the one it's like, Van we're dumb. Wish worse. NATO.
Van Norden. Shark NATO. Yeah.
Yeah, that was my Dutch. Dutch. Yeah, that was my Dutch. Hold
on.
It would be in the breeze app. Right. I could find it in
once that it's a VA n. w RDUM. Yvonne von leerdam
convierte Vir dumb Yeah.
Oh, they see their beard.
Pretty big. SJ Oh yeah. Schorsch NATO, that is actually funny.
That Schorsch is a Dutch name. And, and he's actually making a
play on Shark NATO by saying shores NATO. Okay, yeah.
Yeah, that show I think I sent you a link. He had a, they did a
special with one of the lightning lightning core
developers about channels, and how the channels work in it was
excellent. I really and and I recommend anybody to go and
listen to that episode. He was fantastic. Because they go into
every detail of the way channel routing works. And in how, how
the how the failures inform the route in the future. And so
everything is done through routing pairs. So he had to, if
a pair of nodes fail, then that pair will be demoted for future.
Oh, wow. This is the technical side of Bitcoin, the van veeram.
shores, NATO. And it's the lightning network routing
Episode 41 up with that in the show notes.
Okay. Yeah. Excellent material. And one of the things here
because we were trying to find, as part of our stats stuff, we
were trying to find the source of the data source pub key for
who initiated the payment.
Right, right. Right.
I remember the chat and in listening to the in depth of the
routing. Now I know what we can't find that is because every
step of the chain is private.
Yes, yeah, that's right. But this you can find out some
stuff, but you're never gonna get down to that or not easily
want to get down to that level without some external data.
Yeah, all you know, is is sort of the last hop in the chain.
Yes. And so, I mean, like that is that's another reason why You
know, people would get excited about this as your you've
gotten, you know, you've got the ability to, to make payments and
agreements between the two private parties, but then you
don't really know how to track it, you can't really excuse me,
you really can't track it. As in order to man in the middle, so
to speak, right, you can't jump in between and become some
proxy. So you've got that all that sort of ultimate good.
Here's the flip side to that, which is then it makes record
keeping in, and the accounting side, kind of a pain in the ass.
There's also next to impossible. There's also
another aspect to it, which we've already seen in society, I
love the history of money. And one thing that I just can't read
enough of, is the perception of money, and different types of
money and how coin is perceived. And there's all kinds of reasons
why coins are the way they are, or the way bills are the way
they are. It's not just for security, it's how people feel
about them and how they attach value and all these Enya we move
over to Venmo very different type of value. And what they
feel is for big money or little money. This is yet another kind
of evolution of value transfer that we've been used to putting
a credit card on file with someone and then either it's all
you can eat or you you pay per time you go this is yet
something something else altogether. It's like now I'm
activating a payment with a press of a button.
Yeah, that that's the the that's what got me so jazzed when I saw
the Curio caster tip jar thing this morning. Sounds like it's
like, wow,
I hit this.
Yeah, all sudden, I was like, Oh, my God, this is like, this
is the dream. I mean, like this is literally even more so than
the per minute streaming, being able to go and just do a direct
payment. And there was no, there was no invoices involved.
Nothing like that. It's just, here's a person. I can just pay
them just squirt some SATs. Yeah. But you know
what, when people start to do music with this, and there was
actually there was a developer yesterday who approached me
said, Hey, man, I'm I do. I think it's probably what's the
cross platform? Saying for apps?
Like that? flutter? flutter? flutter
flutter? Yeah, thank you. And, you know, you guys need any
developers. First of all, we always need people who know how
to develop, and please, you know, just join us. Let's see
what you can do. today. I'm really interested in music. It's
a perfect, make a music app. And then can you just imagine you'd
hit the tip jar for a guitar solo?
No, man, it
can be synced right to the guitar solo.
I mean, there's no information on that. Okay.
I was just gonna say, Yeah, I love having the two of you with
these conversations, because, you know, on the one hand, how
you're going to put it together. Eric's already thinking about
the graphical display of those statistics. It's imagine like
you playing the song, you can see which band members getting
more SATs. Well, there you go. I mean,
it's bands needed more reasons to break. That's the punch line
right there. Yeah, that my son is in a metal band. They have.
Now he's in a thrash metal band. He plays bass in there. They
just recorded their, their first album, cool. Get six original
songs. And I talked them I talked to the band The other
day. And I've talked him into letting into letting us release
it as an album. Through as a podcast album, value for value.
Wow. They'll take they'll take delta is within like, they've
already got the first two songs mastered. So within within a
couple of weeks, they'll have the full album mastered and
we'll be able to do that is so
cool.
Yeah, they're they're excited about because he's got me
they're teenagers. They're like, Oh, this is so cool. And
now the podcasting 2.0 dramatize version of what happened to
Dave's house. Listen, kids, if you still want to rehearse in
this garage, we're gonna do this shit value for value. Okay.
It's two o'clock in the morning.
Yep. Well done, sir. Well played.
Thank you. Thank you know, they're gonna be there. They're
just they're jazzed about it.
Now, very cool. Hey, before I forget, we need to you had some
namespace stuff you want to talk about that we said we're going
to carry over to today, and I think we should seriously do a
good update. And you've got clips and We have people to
thank and your dog you know
what's wrong? Now? Let me go shut him up.
Alright. Eric and I'll talk totally. Eric, thank you so
much. I just got the gift before we started recording is you
know, it is weird. So no, no, it is fantastic. I want to wait
until days back when I want I want them to hear what you sent
us. It also guilt him that he sent me nothing. Guilt him into
a cheap bastard. move across I move across the state of Texas
50 miles he could have at least recognized my trip. Dave you
back into Texas. It's true. I was just I was just mentioning
that. Eric and his family actually with a beautiful card
sent us a housewarming gift and I did arrive just before the
show. Check it out. So there's it's all Texas theme. So there's
a Texas beer cozy. There's a Texas coasters, a beautiful
Lonestar flag, and then a welcome mat. which is which is
really interesting because we've been looking for a welcome mat.
We haven't quite decided on one and this one says come back with
a warrant.
Come back with a warrant and four more inches on your barrel.
Right and then and this is the this is your you're welcome to
Texas your Texas welcome kit Asterix firearm sold separately.
The only thing you can make it better would be a deep fried
Snickers
from the Texas fairgrounds you know it you know it? Yeah, we're
talking namespace goods. It's in such
a way. Okay. Well, I don't know what do we want to do? I've got
a couple of now I don't know if I have any clips that that are
really good for the what we're talking about today. I do have a
couple of ISOs though.
Why not? What What you looking at?
Give me I saw a little bit meta. This is a little bit meta.
Wow. Which shows this from that is from the
wasn't it rising?
This is a little bit meta. I might have to steal that for no
agenda. Yeah, yeah. Good. That's really good. I
like it. That's from the TV interview on the right. I think
it's the rising show. It's awesome.
Oh, is that with crystal ball? I don't know if that was from the
hill. Isn't the rising or my?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. From the hill. Yeah. And then we'll see
there's this one I so basically, the facts, basically the facts.
I get a kick out of that. Basically the facts, facts,
facts.
For some reason. I just love. I just love the maybe it's the
word fact or something. But when kids do which I have one from a
kid somewhere.
Oh, that's the old school. One that no one from a long time
ago.
Yeah, yes. Yeah, that one where
I sent you that clip? 10 years ago? No. Yes. That was my that
was Montclair.
And who is that? Where'd you get it from?
It came from a YouTube video series called Oh my god. It's
like kids, kid history, I think is the name of it. And it's it's
kids telling retelling their parents stories from when
they're so the parents would tell them stories from when they
were young about crazy stuff that the parents did. And then
the kids will retell it back. And the parent and the parents
will, will act it out as if the horrible, incorrect retelling of
them trying to get it right was actually what happened. It's
really funny that anyway, that came from that.
Yeah. And it would be great if I could find it now that we've
gone through this explanation of how long we've had this
exchange, but I just can't seem to find it. So.
Yeah, goods, goods there. They're generating right now. So
I wanted to sort of think this through. there's a there's a bi
GUI endpoint for
Sorry about that. Yes. Yeah, that's from that video. 2013. I
have it 2013
Yeah, that's Yeah, that's for me. Wow. policy. So the idea
behind the good is a way for, for you to track or address
really, it's not, it's a dress or a way for you to address a
podcast universally no matter what platform. It's being
referenced on. And you would think Well, okay, we'll just use
the URL, but the URL changes, because people change how
sometimes?
Yes,
the idea of the gu ID is pretty clear. But they're needed those
goods needed to exist. So if we're going to end up with once
we pre generate all these goods, and ultimately it doesn't matter
what the good it is, I mean, the good doesn't happen. Because
once you have a good it just, it stays the same for the rest of
the life of the podcast.
Like an ISDN number for
a book. That is exactly what it is exactly what it is. So the
question in the quiz, the next question is, what how do we
provide a way? For people for that
to get some Sorry?
Yeah, no, no, give, get ask your question.
To get it back to the source or to get it. Wouldn't you want
that to go back to the host? So the host also knows about this?
Yeah. And that's what that's exactly what I'm thinking, how
do we get it back into the ecosystem so that people know
what they're doing is right. And so I'm thinking that maybe we
just put it as a QR code or something like that? on their
podcast. Okay.
Wow. Okay. This is cool. Because now you have a universal way to
subscribe with my God. And, and we can do badges and all kinds
of cool things. Like it's cool to have a low number.
School has no such thing as a low number, cuz they're all 40
bits. Yeah,
well, that sucks. tech guys have no idea what marketing is. And
the QR code is great. I love that idea. Universal Shouldn't
it be? What is q? R stands for?
Uh, huh. stumped. Eric, what is QR codes? Let me see if I can
recall off the top.
Is it a trademark? quick response code response? quick
response. So how about a que es code? I recall? How about a que
es code? clinics quick ship? Quick subscribe. A quick before
or we could do a Qf quick follow? Up seriously. This is
grabs as far as I'm concerned. Quick listen.
That I like I like this QR code. So if we do a que es code, then
if you if you like it would be a link to some something will be
ideal would be have it have a link to something that lets them
that shows it. Go ahead.
Oh, well, we could do it as almost the short shortened URL,
or URL shortener or Bitly type thing? Hmm. Because I have
what's the point?
Well, the idea is that we could then redirect to whatever their
page happens to be because if the host page the RSS feed is is
a transitory and the idea is that this squared and the QR
code would be
right. Oh, okay. So but it Oh, I get it. So in, in effect, we'd
be rebounding but anyone could do that. Because you can the QR
code. Has the base has the gu ID in it. Right. So we're just
we're not doing it on a URL. We're doing it based on a gu ID.
Right, which, which is a fant fantastic way to that for sure.
This is what Amazon does. When you walk into a bookstore, and
you scan the barcode isbm number, they just look it up and
they sell it to you cheaper. Right? Right. I love this. Yeah,
that's, that's powerful.
Well, if we do so if we have the gu IDs, then and we have the
onboarding site done, then people would be able to let us
know go in and change their their URL. If, if for a lot of
URL changes, we pick it up automatically. If they properly
set a 301. We'll pick that up and we'll and we'll change it in
the DB. But for other scenarios, where they leave their host and
don't ever never tell us, they just let their account expire.
But then they go over here to host you know, X, Y, Z and just
create a podcast over here with the same name. Right back in
log. Yep. datas Yeah, they can just come in and switch and
switch their feed. And then we can and we can be. We can at
that point that the good mate maintains its relationship
properly and then people can Just download our database from
time to time or try our use our tracking in points or whatever.
And they can track that. And what we could do is we could do
we could do, I could create a URL endpoint, excuse me, an API
endpoint that has the details, recent changes, so that you can
see when things when things are things move. There'll be another
possibility, and it will just have the new ID and the new URL.
We think about that.
The our just a straight quid, go into link returns, which is you
can do a quick translation of the current, you know, so if
someone else wanted to do a referral system, user comes in,
then that Yeah,
yeah, yeah. So I'd be okay. So I'm thinking of like, pod as a
pod link and pod page. And those guys could do. Point blank.
That's something of plank they could get in this game is sort
of, they could create these nice landing pages that have you have
a gu ID in it, and then somebody hits the gu ID of the of the, of
their service. And then it shows like a whole batch of dough. Do
you want to listen in this app? Or this app or this app? You
know, a bunch of universal universal hits like that. Right.
And then, oh, wow, this is this is very exciting. And just from
a, from a historical perspective, make sure we
haven't overlooked anything. Why is no one done this? I mean, QR
codes have been around for a long time. The is just no one
said, Oh, we'll we'll create a good or everyone basically use
the iTunes ID. I mean, is that is that kind of where that went?
It was that day. Okay.
Yeah. Okay, so and and on that on that note? I've been thinking
about this.
If you want to buy Apple, okay, hold on a second.
Before you go there, Adam. I think the reason is, is because
most of the companies that could implement this aren't thinking
about podcasters. They're thinking about themselves. It's
not about good point. Good point. You see what I'm saying?
It's about it doesn't make them any money. They don't
care. It's so interesting that it's so hard for people to
believe that everyone's kind of in this just to make the
industry better. I think that truly is one of the reasons why
people are not initially interested because now there's
no big money. There's no be a big PR push. It's an open
source. I think people really underestimate what's going on.
That's what I decide. I'm just
what we're not creating walled gardens, so that's not
you know, people aren't used to free open space. What's that?
That's scary looking freedom. Why? Oh, no, I don't want that
pasture. Sorry. Anyway.
If you have either of y'all read the book, caves of steel, by
Isaac Asimov.
Wait, no, I don't think so.
It's, it's the future society where everybody, we're all a
civilization ends up living in these in these mega cities that
have maybe 50 billion people in one city. And then all the
cities are because population the population is so high. They
have to do they have to do things like large soy based
farms is like Soylent Green. So then, but every all these cities
are under domes, they're under these him these massive steel
domes. And then everybody lives in these under these domes their
entire life. And so they end up over time, they become from
birth have become accustomed to live inside the dome. And even
the thought of outside open spaces in this in the open sky
blue sky and green grass, like gives them trippy day they freak
out. They have like an anxiety attack. It's like that's, that's
what's going on. It's like that's what's going on in the in
the podcast world. They're there, everybody's so accustomed
to silos and walled gardens. And that's how you make money is by
capturing part of the industry not by serving it that they
can't decide they don't know how to think about it. Oh, my God,
open source I don't trust it must have some ulterior motive.
You know,
that was there's another version of of that. And I wish to sound
cool and have like some azimoff book to refer to, but it's
probably some shitty movie. Where the trick is to get the
inmates to build the prison themselves.
Oh, that's like public school.
In a way, in a way Yeah. And then yeah, he just build
everything. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of what we're what I think
what society is kind of going through and you know, freedom is
in some, in some ways is almost seen as man which you Talking
about Willis. That's kind of crazy. This freedom talk.
That was ron paul's old old er. And when he said, whenever you
see them building the border wall is not to keep them out is
to keep you in.
Yeah, exactly. Anyway, that's, that's why I like that. That's a
very exciting idea.
Yeah. So we'll we'll we'll, we'll get there. I just want to
Matt sort of pick his brain and see what we need to do and map
it out.
You'll get anything. Um,
let me just check. Eric, you got anything? No, I've been neck
deep and, oh, money laundering rates. I saw something
interesting. The end to end, I guess, is getting close to
yours. something's working over there. I think you retweeted it
or you replied to his tweet.
Yeah. Paul, because it all just just just Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He
had tweeted this morning that they get Dave on boarded up a
podcaster. And
he's some doctor some doctor guy.
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's like a, you know, like a net, natural
naturopath, Doctor type guy.
Here's what was interesting. Someone replied to that tweet.
This is like the gossip of the lightning network. Let me see.
What is. What's his name? Justin.
rezvani. RSV, or is these Ayana? Yeah, exactly.
Oops. Let me see if I can find this. Justin.
Why does this take so long now? Anyway, the gist was someone
says, Wow, does Paul No, you did this? And he replied all that
and he replied, yeah, I brought Paul on or something like that.
That's why I want to get it. Exactly. I don't want to
misstate it.
Yeah. Yeah. Paul. Paul is the name of the doctor who's in his
on that podcast. Oh, okay. You were thinking it was probably
too late. Yes.
I'm like, What? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Good, good. Good. I was
like, holy crap. Did I miss something here? No.
Yeah, because I thought the same thing and then I'll realize that
Paul is like pulse or Dino or something is the name of the
podcast.
Okay, good. Good. Good.
Did you read Roy's article related?
to a new one he had, he usually sends me a signal message when
he's done something like that.
Well, he released it, we'll see it was on Bitcoin magazine is
called scaling lightning.
No, I haven't seen that.
Very good article. He says, I'll read it. I'll read a piece of it
here. He says people keep calling Bitcoin a Trojan horse
to express the idea that it invisibly contains things like
freedom and sovereignty, that surprise those who adopt it.
First, I'd like to suggest a new metaphor. Bitcoin adoption, does
not bear invisible consequences. But they're far more appealing
than a bunch of tired, sweaty, grumpy Greek soldiers hiding in
an elaborate piece of furniture. Bitcoin is cake. And what's
inside is candy. In fact, there are several different kinds of
candy inside beyond just sweet sovereignty and delicious
freedom. The only violence ensuing from this metaphor is
the dentist's chair. So anyway, very good article.
I have now put that in the show notes as well. Thanks. Good tip.
Roy, Roy, you usually you put me in your list of people who are
gonna tweet your stuff? And we're like, no more love? No,
no, he
gave us some love here. He hooked me up with the guy who
really wants to help us on on some Bitcoin tech stuff. So
cool. I'll tell you about that later.
Oh, in the in the real board meeting you me? In the board?
board meeting the real board meeting?
Yeah, I would drop it right after meeting.
So we thank some people. Do you want to do some more namespace?
Is there anything we're missing? Oh, I know what we're missing?
Well, I'll tell you what we do. Thank you. So then we got to
talk about the jitsi call the dev developer call about
comments. That was very interesting. I want to report
back.
Alright. Let's see. Oh, God had an end up with this. Now, I've
got an article in the middle of my donation letter stack.
Okay. And is it a good article?
It is the article from submit your podcast to the podcast
index from Stephanie. Oh, forgot her name. Chino. See, but I
will. Okay, I get on. I'm on discombobulated now.
Well, this week recombined, belated. For those of you who
are new, this entire project has value for value. So there's no
you probably figured out by now there's no corporate money,
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for about 450 overall. Eric is at least as stingy as I am.
We also fund our lightning channels. So it's all in the
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Yep, yep. Yep, yep.
And we love thanking the people who have sent us some support.
One of those people was barren, sir da Schlemmer gave us $5.
Thank you very much.
He says thank you for your courage and passion.
Yes. Passion we have.
Thank you, Baron. See who got here. $73.73 73 7073 from Neil
Chapman. And Neil says, Great job guys. Please keep it up.
Dave. Are you a radio ham? I am. Casey for an xa Oh, excuse me
expired.
Key Oh, five alpha, Charlie, Charlie.
If not, I think you should be an honorary ham as you're helping
to save the world to kebeles for Eric Carlson.
Eric, do you have your ticket?
Not yet. I have the radio and the guide. And it's just one of
those things that
you know, you can you can walk into that test that you read the
book, once, it's all the same answers is just out of order.
Multiple Choice is three of the means, like, in fact that they
always say, Hey, you wanna take your general and I almost made
it. No, I didn't know I could do that I almost made the general
just had to wait for the next appointment. Same thing. Just
back in the day back when I took my novice. Like, I've read the
current book to recertify. I've read it twice and still hadn't
taken the test. But the one I took my novice back in this
would have been like 1989, or 90, I think, or Nanos, like 90
or 91. The you, you had to pass the Morse code requirement. So
the general was much harder, because you had to be you had to
do a faster word per minute.
It was a 12. I don't remember to 12 or 15.
I passed the novice pretty easily. But the general was such
a step up, I knew I wasn't going to be able to do it.
And that was always the that was always the limiting factor. And
that's kind of what I liked about it. It's like yeah, cuz,
you know, it's still pretty easy to answer the questions. But you
had to sit down you had to, you know, set up a Morse code
testing rig or whatever. And you had to learn and I kind of liked
that requirement.
I liked it, too. We just got
a bunch of nanny hams man. Can't do no code. snowflakes nice. no
fluff, no coding snowflake. hammies Get off my lawn. That's
not true. In fact, the ham ham community is desperate for
younger people. desperate. That's why all the digital the
digital stuff is cool man stuff. They're doing digital.
They just call it packet right packet radio.
Wow. Yeah, I mean, now it's what's the well, you had j x 11
we had the one that gosh, this is how long I haven't haven't
done it. Like almost three years. That'd be low power, you
know, fi you know, like half a watt 500 milliwatts bouncing off
to Japan and it reports back on psfk reporter it's, it's crazy
stuff.
gotta remember that first. I remember the first time that we
made contact with somebody that was really like truly far away.
Like, someplace in South America. Oh, man, that is such a
thrill it I know that sounds like the nerdiest, goofiest
thing to say. But it really is thinking that, oh my god, I'm
bouncing this signal off the omnisphere maybe maybe 20 times
in order to land in a country that's literally 6000 miles
away. And you're in and you're doing it on, you know, four
watts or whatever. It's pretty insane.
The I was sent out five years ago four years ago. I received
one of the first lightning invoices. I think Was it FTA? I
think maybe, or jt 65 I think so I just received a very short
invoice code, which I could then translate into into receiving
lightning into had a wallet attached to it. And that was
sent sent over, you know that the low the low bandwidth or you
know, the very, very narrow bandwidth. I think that was jt
65 or ft eight. It's argued it's arguable if that was the first
Bitcoin transaction through ham radio because it wasn't truly an
actual transaction. But Bitcoin was passed off to me. That's a
lot a lot of fun.
Well, thank you appreciate those 70 threes. Yeah,
but hey, for those of you who have not left us yet, the reason
why we why we the reason why we're so insistent about this,
is because we all know that when the apocalypse comes, now here
we have ham radio, guys, ham radio is the public service
network of last resort when the apocalypse comes where the guys
who are going to save the world, right.
Speaking of if James Cridland if he's not a ham, then he's a
poser. He's an old school. I mean, he's a radio guy. He if
he's not have a ham radio license, then he needs to, he
needs to get out of here. Martin Bruno gave us $10 he says thank
you for setting up a podcast directory for everybody. Thank
you, Mark. Thank you. Let's see. This is from Olga note here
$10.66 in this says Hi Dave. Greetings from construction zone
15 orbiting Austin, Texas. Looking forward to what Eric and
y'all come up with for the mom jeans experience.
mom jeans, bastardization from jeans Mom, I think this might
even be better. It might be the mom jeans experience. Looking
forward.
Looking forward to Eric and y'all come up with for the mom
jeans experience. I'm fiddling around with the cargo pants dad
experience. At least here on the edges as time allows. I'm not a
podcaster yet, but still dream of building stuff from semi semi
scratch, including someday perhaps a podcast. Nothing
really is built from scratch Of course, but on building blocks
that others have built and maintain keep on keeping on.
Mike knew Mike Newman pronounced Newman not Norman. He says some
super super stubborn German ancestors who probably insisted
on keeping spelling and Ellis Ellis Island.
Well, you may you may not be a podcaster. But you are D
fragmented, though nice.
It feels good. Yeah. See, this is just a follow up from he did
not give a name. He just calls himself stick from a previous
donation. So I thought this may be the best way to reach out to
Adam and Curry as Adam Curry at podcast index and the whole
community. I was very refreshed and excited about the topics
that Adam Curry talked about on Joe Rogan. It is so reassuring
that there are communities out here cutting through the crap
and fighting for the free world. I just wanted to say thank you
to all of you. God bless all right, man.
We got one. We hooked one. We got one.
All right, one one's open to this.
Welcome, man. Welcome. Welcome to the party.
This is our weekly donors. And then we got some some
subscription guys that came in this week. David made us $10
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Lauren ball $24.20 I wonder what the numerology is on that pod
verse, LLC. $50. Oh, thank you. Yeah, Brian for Brian $44.10
Mitch Downey $10 and Chris torbreck. Chuck to rubber duck
$10. And that's it. Thank you guys. Thank
you all very much. very much appreciated. This is it's the
fuel that keeps it going. But it's, it's the note two. For me.
It's the notes of like, ah, I love some of these notes. That's
why donation segments are really content.
I want to get some notes through through the tip jar though.
Oh, yeah, but it's unfair. I mean, how are you picking them
up? I haven't had any code.
I'm gonna send I'm gonna send you a look at the there's a
picture in the clips that I sent you.
Hold on a second. Look at what it looks like. See how good I
am. Even though I knew you had a picture, I did not look at it. I
knew
you wouldn't look at it for straight Since donations using
the tip to V. Oh, a second. Yes. Ah. That's what it looks like.
Tommy Chong is listening to our show. Yeah.
You can't you can't see it. Eric, I forgot to clip.
The T. Tip. Can I scream? Can I put this in the show notes?
Yeah. Good for. There's no. No incriminating information in
that
mean server name is on there. But I mean, I didn't help
anybody.
Raise your server name. Pay Pal. Oh, pipe. pipe, pal. Yeah, I
pal.
podcast index, PayPal.
Oh, okay. So you really have a machine or at least a login on a
machine with that account just for that stuff?
Yeah, well, there's one. There's one $5 linode that I'm used to
do nothing but node queries and stuff like that to get all the
stats.
Do we have any more shirts to send out? Do we have a still
good chunk of the first batch? I mean, do we owe anyone a shirt?
Yeah, there's a half dozen or so going out next week. Oh, cool.
Cool. What are the parameters? Again, getting one of these
nifty shirts Dave Jones since it's your idea.
$100 donation?
Oh, that's right. Total, right. That's over total.
Right. 100 $100 donation or just a robust contribution to the
project? I mean, because you know, we send out some shirts to
blow we're sending out one to James Cridland this week or send
out one to Benjamin Bellamy. He sent out a few hours gates ever
sent out a few to people who are just who have just done tons of
work on the product legacy that's a backpack. Yeah, yeah.
Back. Back Bay. Yeah. Hazard pay. Yeah.
Well, it was hazard pay. We'll be sending leather motorcycle
jackets.
though. I won't want to
Eric, we're not there. Yes. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down.
Okay. Well, we have car while we're at it.
St. Oprah.
Hey, yo, I am remiss I have not yet talked to you Dave about the
podcast movement and if we're going to stay in a hotel or
Airbnb and I just want to talk about the podcast movement in
general.
Yes, Melissa is coming with me. She's just going to use it as a
personal vacation for herself. So we'll just get our get our
own thing and you can get your own thing.
What here's the thing. It falls right on show day. Oh, to show
days In fact, I think okay, isn't it our show and no agenda?
Thursday and Friday?
Yeah.
And you know, and I'm just like, Oh, man. Now that's not to say
that that I don't know. I got sour about the the Mark Cuban
thing and then I'm just thinking Ben Jimmy Bellamy Benjamin
Bellamy is going to be presenting I have no idea how
many people be in person I think quite a bit actually. But I'm
not sure I'm not 100% Sure. It's just it's a lot it's a lot of
disruption for me.
Because Because I guy just go by myself.
Yeah, but I feel bad because it was gonna be you know, just the
two of us. We can make it if we are no Melissa was gonna be
there too.
Yeah, let's just go out there and I thought you said Tina was
gonna get it as well too.
Well, and so what I was thinking was I wanted to tie a no agenda
meetup to it and then like, well, it really should be my
head is just hurting. I moved. My head is hurting. I'm old now.
like holy crap that this I just built everything got to
dismantle this thing, do two shows and you know hang out with
people and schmooze around and and Mark Cuban is just there
that's really what tipped me over the edge quite honestly.
It's like Cubans there.
Yeah, it's that's it's gonna be a hard one for you.
Because you guys are driving or flying is it's a drive
for you. That was like two hours away.
Is he that's Nashville, the hops the jump from Ryan, right?
I mean, it's not a big deal. And Melissa was named some time away
to get prepped before school starts anyway. So we're like,
let's just make a big deal out of it. And then but I can go
this about myself. You know, I'm just going to mean to be shaking
hands, drinking beers with people and getting to know
people so but
are you okay with wearing the pickle suit though?
This week. needed just not aware of this requirement. If
you don't know about the podcast pickle guy that's Gary.
I've not been
to WAV and the first the first pod one, I think one of the
first podcast conferences he had I don't even know what his
business what he has a million businesses. And he was the
podcast pickle and he and he would have a guy in a pickle
suit. Hold on a second. I gotta get the history of this. This is
this is like the ghost podcasting. Oh, man. Well, he
made quite a career out of the podcast pickle somehow
like the naked cowboy that sings and plays music in New York. And
then no, here
we go podcast pickle. launched in March 2005. Big Gary Leland
I'm reading from Wikipedia was both a podcast videocast
directory and community, Time magazine directory, and
community. Well, we needed directory so that was good. I
mean, I was never really in the directory business. I didn't
even see the value of it because I associated directory with a
pickle. Time magazine listed it as one of its 50 coolest sites
in August 2006. More than 12,000 podcasts and vodcasts appeared
on the site as of March 2007. podcast picco provide podcast
family family tree listings, podcast family tree listings,
podcast players, podcast family tree, I don't know.
Like I was on a podcast. And then I went and started my own
podcast. I mean, we have a family tree.
Well, it could be very much like the guest or the person tag. Who
knows. podcast players that work on external sites, blogs,
profiles and community forums. The site was the site was shut
down in 2015. Late Yeah, but so he and I'm not even sure if he
made money, how he made money. But he was just such a
delightful guy. And he just could not help but love someone
who had a guy with a picker walking around. It was just
beautiful. It was you know, it's just one of those. Yeah, one of
those things, one of those people,
I will commit myself to a podcasting tip on a T shirt.
Yes. As far as I'm going. Okay.
All right. How about Melissa?
That's a hard pass. Yes, no, I could not drive her and drag her
kicking and screaming to a podcast conference, even if I
wanted to do she will be doing her own thing. And I will be
going to meet with podcast nerds.
Now, we are eventually going to have to do some actual
marketing. But I think that the timing is just not right for us
right now. Once the site is up once we've got that going. But I
think we have, you know, just through word of mouth, we're
getting some people interested and stuff is happening. Dave, I
know you're pushing real hard on the hosting side. You talk to a
lot of people. And Eric is sadly Eric is just going to have to be
the one that builds it all. At least that part. Yeah. I'm
juggling the contracts and the code. Briefly, we we had you
Eric was on the call. We are on the call Dave, the developer
call the video call. He was very interested in the majority of it
was about well, first of all, I still don't have a cost of pod
install. Surprise, surprise.
We've got one. I know
I can't get it to work. It's the it was about cross comments. And
it it I think it got to a pretty good place. And I don't want to
say what any conclusions are. But it seems like there was a
lot of consensus for a reference implementation of activity pub
with the special mastodon bit so it would be compatible a lot of
this based on a presentation that was given to us by a scene
from cast apod cast to bud. I love how they say custom pod.
Eric, did I represent that correctly?
Yeah, it seemed like they have a there's a, I think a workable
path towards getting this this kind of non centralized
commenting, is it's interesting. I mean, I came in a little late
on the call, but well, and here's
I think we're beyond the point of moderation. We're now down to
the point of, we're still figuring there's like a less
decentralized way of how the root node is created. So that
you know the Someone has to someone has to be a part of it,
to start it. And that could be on a per app basis. Really the
push would be for hosting companies to do it. Which would
not necessarily be a heavy lift, but I cautious in saying that.
Dan Benjamin will do it. He'll do anything
like the Mikey, the Mikey of podcasts, anything. What was the
beauty of it? Nobody
younger than 40 100 and gets that right. Reference at all?
It probably Yeah. 40 or older actually. And that was the there
was another extra. Oh, yeah. That I think we came down to as
well, as long as podcasters can opt out, or Yeah, opt out. I
said, Yeah, I think that's what the way it was discussed. As an
okay, I don't want my comments, then. I think there's a path,
there's multiple paths.
So that opt out would be a tag.
That's the Yeah. But there's, you know, there's some other
things that have to be looked at. And, you know, it always
comes down to source of truth and can't get into the feed. And
that's the bottom line. And all the hacks we're making are
really, because hosting companies don't jump to when we
say they should jump. I say hey, put this tag in your hosting
company. They'll go su Adam Curry.
Yeah, and that or they say, I don't give a flying f about
podcasting. index.org like, certainly, no, that's the
journalist response. I'm sorry.
I'd love to Oh, hold on a second. Here's your cute uh,
booth. You know, I know you want to boost everybody. Bring it on.
I would like to play Rogen civil disagreement. Oh,
okay. Here we go. Ping that does give me Hold on let me just jack
up the volume of it. Really. Just some of your clips are
really low day.
I usually amplify them but but I wasn't in a
hurry this we thought I screw it just leave it up to curry.
Yeah, it's like when you're drywall in a room and a huge gap
that looks terribly like the guy that she rubbed my guys and get
it.
Done. There we go. thing that does give me hope about
podcasting is that podcast this podcast, yours many others. But
you can have people of differing political persuasions,
absolutely have conversations and be civil with each other.
Yeah, I've had people on this podcast that I fuckin violently
disagree with. Sure.
And I agree with me today even on things. I think he was
actually referring to me in the first bit.
I just thought that was I thought that was true. And we've
touched on it before, like, there's all kinds of everybody
can. The beautiful thing about about open source about tech is
that everybody can can get angry and ticked off and have their
own personal political viewpoints and that kind of
thing. But when you if you can agree on a standard on a spec,
it eliminates all that stuff. None of that other stuff
matters. It all becomes ancillary. All that matters is
the goal and the project. And I think that's one one thing
that's beautiful that alessian about the developer meetings and
me you get on those on those JC calls, and nobody even knows
what the other person's politics are. It's about the shared the
shared vision and the goal. I just think it's beautiful.
Um, there's a parallel here with a difference. And what I
witnessed in the early days, and I was much better i was i was in
contact with Dave Weiner on a regular basis much more involved
in his orbit. Certainly with even before podcasting with RSS,
the whole creation of the what became, was it Oh, point nine
and then you know, jumped to ready to jump to 2.0 RSS 2.0. I
can't remember.
There was a 1.0. That was like an it was that was some RDF.
Yeah, that was already else. And he did Oh, point nine oh, point.
912, I think. But I just saw there was so much vitriol, and I
was on his side. And you know, Dave Winer, a bit too. I mean,
he, for my, I felt he could be very vicious. And the whole I
was like, wow, this is really quite, everyone's kind of out to
screw each other and is poking the bear. And I saw like him, as
I'm doing scammy comments on each other's message boards
under pseudonyms and comments being deleted, and watch what
he's gonna do. And that was very, I'm not saying that's Dave
Weiner today. I think he was still kind of wrapped up in the
Silicon Valley game, which maybe many people are maybe, you know,
I don't know if it's necessarily part of that. But it does come
down to money to some degree. And, and that's what I
philosophically, I really like the lightning part of this
project, because it makes everybody equal, you know,
there's no other money coming in really, you know, the money for
everybody. There's this pool, and we said that upfront and you
know, here's what we're trying to do, you know, stabilize this,
preserve it, and then here's how we can make money and Somehow
that equalizes everything because no one controls the
money. There's no investor. I think it's some kind of it is an
added beauty to the system. I am I crazy thinking this? Am I just
what?
They've, they want to call me a republican one time and I think
that's the last time I ever spoke to and guess how
insulting Well yeah, no
Well, yeah so but I was thinking you know over time have come to
sympathize in and he kicked me off multiple projects of his of
but over time I think that I've come to understand him a little
bit maybe better. And not that not that I necessarily agree
with some of the things that he did. But I do sort of like a
Richard Stallman type deal. I think he's an easy person to
vilify. Because he does, he does not sugarcoat anything that he
says, Yeah, anything at all. And anytime that you deal with a
person like that, it's hard. Because you got him
You got him kicked out of MIT for just being completely
honest.
Yeah. And it doesn't like being honest, doesn't mean you're
right. It just means you're honest. And you know what you're
going to get. And that's, you're going to have to expect that if
you're going to deal with somebody like that, you're going
to have to have extremely thick skin. But I guess,
I guess without focusing on, on those individuals, it felt the
same to me everywhere, you know, with whoever was playing in the
game. In fact, there were several developers who were
creating pod catchers as we categorize them. And I felt they
got a little diminished somewhere along the line,
because other bigger it was just, it was a weird thing.
There was money in it, maybe, but money that was perhaps vast.
And then this is before I started pod show. This was all
still at the base level. And that was in those days, it was
an interrupt and these types of cross communications. I mean,
they were, what else were they doing? Of course, the ATM the
ATM fee, you know, was a con was competition, I think that was
mainly funded by Microsoft. And that was competing with RSS, it
was just a whole bunch of weird stuff that has an analogy here.
But I just feel that the money but the Bitcoin value part makes
the difference in this project versus 18 years ago.
Everybody, I think everybody understands, I think I
understand what you're saying. Now everybody understands,
probably, if not immediately, but quickly thereafter that
you're if you want to get in that game, you have to
cooperate. Yeah, interrupt. Exactly.
That's the way that that's the way you get to the goal of
making either making money or being sustainable with your
project, is you have to enter on that
stick. So in my mind, I can remember Dave Weiner talking to
someone else saying, you know, those guys are gonna they say
that I'm going to interrupt with them. And I didn't know if that
was a good or bad thing the way it was said, but it wasn't a
big, big, big deal. And now it's like that we know, that's the
only way to go in Iraq or die.
Yeah, you're either that's the way that you make yourself
successful is through interrupt, and in the, in the past, when
projects are just ideal when they're just based on idealism.
Like, that's what makes something different than that
old comic, that's like, okay, we have 11 standards. And now you
propose a new standard. Now you got 12 standards like that.
That's the difference between this and that, is that by in by
interrupt interrupting with with Bitcoin with lightning, you
that's how you define success, because that's how you make your
project make money and be sustainable. Whereas otherwise,
if it's just pure idealism, well, then your ideal is known
as on his merit may not be any better than anybody else's
ideal. And you're just arguing about, you know, you're just
arguing about your vision. Well, I mean, well, if they but in
this at the end of the day, your vision doesn't matter. If it
doesn't work with the system, then you're not gonna make any
money in the person who's gonna make money their visions gonna
win because they're going to be successful. So that I mean, I
think you're right, I think the the financial interrup really
does drive the whole system financial interop
I love that. That's, that's the good guys version of d phi.
We're calling it fin ops. synapse, synapse. Oh, synapse.
Yes. And it's I like that and my recommendation is anyone and
literally everyone can get on the wheel of satoshis. Because
when you have a wallet, and you just see one Satoshi a minute
coming through, sometimes three oh boost, there's a couple 100
if you're in That's for everybody. I mean, everybody
competes on service and quality and experience and the money
flows. And whether you're an app developer hosting company,
podcast, or a podcast guest musician, you can get on the
wheat, the spinning wheel of satoshis. And it's spinning
already. The only thing I believe physics will show is
that it's going to spin faster. And there will be more on it,
then yeah, as we grow, I mean, we've we should do the numbers
of our how many how many podcasts now? value for value
enabled? 262. Oh,
it's a lot. Yeah. It's way over 200? Yeah, it's a lot and
they're in we're getting
next time you come to the board. I expect you to have your charts
in order, Mr. Jones.
Now print out my TPS report. Doesn't need a cover sheet.
I bet you if I ask Eric. He knows the number. Probably.
Eric, how many of you enable podcasts? I think it was 273.
Okay. It was pretty high. So again, some big getting some big
podcast to not you know, and getting some some larger
audience podcast like the survival podcast. I've been
listening to that show for ever.
No, I've never heard of this.
Oh, yeah. It's this guy, jack spear co started. Man, this
podcast has been going on, it's got to be over 10 years.
Minimum. He started by just recording himself on the way to
work and his day job every single day, for four years,
until he built up enough audience to, you know, to do
something more professional. But
what's it called again?
The survival podcast that he signed up a couple days ago. And
I was like, bingo. Perfect. How did you find initially? I don't
remember. I don't remember it was these he started it right
around the time of the 2008 financial crisis. So that would
be what 13 years.
So this and this is during his commute.
Yeah. And he was living in Texas and I think he eventually moved
to Arkansas. But he was like a some kind of SEO web marketing
guy think if I'm not mistaken, so he has an hour and 20 minute
commute. I think it was it was pretty long, but I don't know if
it's led to how long his episodes were back then.
I'm just gonna boost them right now. Just we talked about
getting done. Yeah. Good default 1000 SATs. Wow, man.
That's in the tip.
Oh, shoot. I should. I should let me do it. Let me just a tip
jar. I'm doing it live. Of course we're doing it live and
I'm gonna send it to the podcaster and I'm going to say
from the PC 2.0 gang. Hey, now all right. Send out cool. It
gives me like gray confetti. sprays when you do
excellent All right, we got anything else?
I don't know. I think we're good. Derek I'm not yet sure
what that means did I guess what I was saying is Do you have
anything else before we go? No. Dave,
I'm doing round two on the dried green beans. give those a shot
since I paid so much for mine and get my money's worth
excellent call back.
You are such a radio guy. Can I ask what is this? I haven't
opened it xe of my favorite pod talkers dot png What is that?
I want you to open that and look at it. Okay,
hold on a second. Zoom in. Okay. This is a picture of the pivot
podcast with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway as my hate my
hate listen. Yeah. And it's just from Mark Spencer heart in throw
two of my favorite pod talkers Kara Swisher and prof Galloway
answered a question I'd sent to pivot.
Okay, that you might like this. Get all your favorite people in
it.
Oh, my goodness. Is that the I couldn't give an F about
podcasting. 2.0 No. He's got the same look. Yeah. All right,
thanks. I will not i'm not going to put that in the show notes.
No, no, no. That's no good. Alright guys. Well, holy crap.
Have a great weekend. It's been very even long today. I can't
believe it. Martin Martin's gonna be up until 3am listening
to us. Take care guys. We'll be back next Friday with another
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