1 00:00:00,510 --> 00:00:06,870 podcasting 2.0 for June 4 2021, Episode 40, Miami or bust? 2 00:00:10,350 --> 00:00:16,320 That's right. It's Friday, when you're listening to this it's 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,740 one of those rare shows where everything is all out of whack. 4 00:00:19,740 --> 00:00:23,370 We are from the future, bringing you the past about what's 5 00:00:23,370 --> 00:00:26,460 happening tomorrow. All right, I know it's confusing. It's time 6 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:29,100 for the board meeting the weekly board meeting for podcasting. 7 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:32,760 2.0 everything happening at podcast index.org and podcast 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,760 index dot social. I'm Adam curry in Austin, Texas. And in 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,810 Alabama, the man you call for all you're doing possum clean up 10 00:00:39,810 --> 00:00:43,500 my friend on the other end. Mr. Dave Jones, 11 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:47,730 trying to figure out what did I read Alice gates blog post 12 00:00:47,730 --> 00:00:53,520 tomorrow. Read it yesterday. Depends for Australia. They've 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,720 already read it. So it went out before he even wrote it. 14 00:00:58,230 --> 00:00:59,010 Exactly. 15 00:00:59,940 --> 00:01:05,400 Yes. So this is on the eve of Thursday. We are taping this. 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:11,970 Well. Basically, what a day and a half early. Because we're 17 00:01:11,970 --> 00:01:17,460 going to Miami to the Bitcoin conference. Wait, actually stop 18 00:01:17,460 --> 00:01:22,440 stop something very important. Historic, historic. Yes, as a 19 00:01:23,460 --> 00:01:28,320 historic moment of conversion has happened. And this just came 20 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:33,960 in on the transom from Chad Ferro, I had to cancel my 21 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:37,380 recurring Pay Pal donation. Because I've been sending you 22 00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:41,640 guys too many sets with pod friend. Keep up the great work 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:47,460 and go podcast. This is an important moment. 24 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:52,860 I have two thoughts about this. Okay. Thought number one. This 25 00:01:52,860 --> 00:01:58,170 is awesome. Thought number two. Chad, there's no such thing as 26 00:01:58,170 --> 00:01:58,590 too many. 27 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:05,430 I love this is and Chad, I want you to wear this title. This 28 00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:08,460 this is something for you. You You are the first official 29 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:13,260 conversion. And you converted yourself from the cookbooks of 30 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:20,160 PayPal into the lovely value for value streaming satoshis. And 31 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:26,400 not only are we benefiting in this case, pod friend since you 32 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,840 are doing it from pod friend, the podcast index, and of 33 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,600 course, the podcast index 2.0. But we're taking that away from 34 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,150 PayPal. So the 3% that PayPal takes is gone. And you're 35 00:02:42,150 --> 00:02:46,260 actually giving us more but it's appropriate to the value when 36 00:02:46,260 --> 00:02:49,080 you are receiving the value from the show. The whole thing just 37 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,920 blows my mind. You're the first one. The first one to do it to 38 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:53,910 convert completely. 39 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:59,280 That is I was talking to Dan Benjamin today I talked to him 40 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,550 for like God that I talked to him for like an hour. Oh, cool. 41 00:03:03,060 --> 00:03:06,240 Yeah, I reached out to him about pod paying. And then he's like, 42 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,450 hey, let's just catch up with this phone call. So we talked 43 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:14,370 for a while. And he was looking he was looking for he's actually 44 00:03:14,370 --> 00:03:17,040 went off track and he was looking for something piece of 45 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,290 equipment. And I was like, well, I've got one of those. And he's 46 00:03:19,290 --> 00:03:23,460 like, oh cool can like send it to me. Like, like, I need it. 47 00:03:23,460 --> 00:03:27,240 You got it. And so ship it to me and I'll like pay you, you know, 48 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,390 pay you and also land now it's not a big deal. Don't pay me 49 00:03:30,390 --> 00:03:33,750 just pay for shipping or something. And then I was like 50 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:38,280 wait, wait, wait, here's I got an idea. I'll send it to you. 51 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,210 And then I'm going to pay you just give me you're going to pay 52 00:03:42,210 --> 00:03:45,840 me owned on strike. And we're gonna get you into the lightning 53 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,830 ecosystem. Nice and we're gonna we're gonna get you value enable 54 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,920 value enable a podcast where this is we're gonna onboard. 55 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,940 Yeah, Dan is gonna be the first to be completely onboard. He'll 56 00:03:56,940 --> 00:04:02,100 do everything front to back even host your wallets. I'm sure if 57 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:05,310 anyone will do it, Dan will? Yeah, he's like myself. 58 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:09,300 He is he is so funny talking to him because he was like, he's 59 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:12,090 like I explained this pod ping thing to me. And I was like, 60 00:04:12,150 --> 00:04:16,680 okay, so I gave him like a 45 second thumbnail sketch of it or 61 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,620 whatever. couple minutes long and he's like, yeah, okay, cool. 62 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:19,920 Do 63 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,890 you got what did he say anything about the the thing was Cuban 64 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:31,500 get resolved. Not that I ever expect that to launch from Cuba. 65 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:32,160 And by the way, 66 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,690 I did not ask. I did not ask him because I didn't want to crap on 67 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:38,550 his day. He was having a good day. You notice 68 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:42,450 how all that clubhouse and everything kind of died down? It 69 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,860 pletely imploded. Like everyone was like everyone was so giddy 70 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:50,100 about it. Oh, clubhouse calm and integrate my podcast with 71 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:54,600 clubhouse. Yeah, that that's that disappeared. It's the same 72 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,080 thing when Who was it that posted about Oh, there's a new 73 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,180 podcast. Mmm. format that will be better than Rs. Oh yeah. 74 00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:07,830 cribben posted that, like, wow, what was that? I mean, it's so 75 00:05:07,830 --> 00:05:11,970 well intended. But yeah, I mean, even even with good intentions 76 00:05:11,970 --> 00:05:15,900 that just makes no no sense. Just look around you. Even if 77 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:22,080 you have all the like, cred in the world, like somebody, what's 78 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,010 his name? I'm losing his name now. The guy that did Jason 79 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:33,840 feed. Oh, for the brave guy. No, not brave. Did you get that news 80 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:40,800 wire? Oh yeah, he's buddies with Wiener. I know I feel horrible 81 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,330 about this. Yes, go ahead. I 82 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:45,030 can't I can't remember his name he ever called me they they 83 00:05:45,030 --> 00:05:49,080 created JSON feed would couple years ago and like, even they 84 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,050 couldn't get over the hump. So I mean, the rest of the rest of 85 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:56,160 everybody needs to needs to just stop and close it that up. Did 86 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,470 they they're still around. Are they? No, no, they're still 87 00:05:58,470 --> 00:06:00,810 around. Yeah, they're still around. Yeah, newer newswire is 88 00:06:00,810 --> 00:06:03,810 going on. Jason feeds fine, but I mean, like trying to trying to 89 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,700 append RSS. It's just just it's not gonna work. 90 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,660 Why can I not remember his name? This is this is bugging the heck 91 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:17,640 out of me starts with a B, right? This is a I want to say 92 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,810 it's Oh, God. And I know people are yelling at their pot at the 93 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,070 app right now. 94 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:29,880 He worked for Omni. See, that net? I'm gonna look at net 95 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,700 Newswire net news wires. 96 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:36,090 Is it damn is it Dan something? I'm sorry. We really should 97 00:06:36,090 --> 00:06:39,630 almost thinking of Dan make tough is where we almost should 98 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:44,580 Ranchero software. Yeah, I'm getting closer. Brent Simmons. 99 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:52,980 There you go. Yeah. That's it. All right. penny dropped this 100 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,640 nice. Listen, listen. Sorry, guys. Try to remember somebody's 101 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,480 name. This is real. This is really bad. riveting podcast. 102 00:07:00,510 --> 00:07:03,630 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And we're ragging on other people's 103 00:07:03,630 --> 00:07:08,760 podcast. Series. I'm seeing a lot of a pattern though. Which 104 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,660 is quite nice. I'm seeing more and more podcasters reaching out 105 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:17,700 to me saying, hey, what exactly is going on with apple? And, you 106 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:21,300 know, we're so clued into it, we're so, so married to the 107 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:25,770 whole environment and ecosystem, that, you know, we knew we 108 00:07:25,770 --> 00:07:28,710 smelled everything immediately. But this is kind of seeping into 109 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:34,320 podcaster land and people are very tired of, you know, of 110 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,560 their, their listeners saying, Hey, you know, it's not on Apple 111 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,820 podcast, or what's even worse, you forgot to upload it to Apple 112 00:07:41,820 --> 00:07:45,510 man. Which Believe me as a podcast that you just you just 113 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:48,690 get really, it's really frustrating when someone says 114 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:52,440 that, like it's not me. It's not my fault posting companies. Of 115 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,890 course, it's still getting help desk calls about that. But I'm 116 00:07:55,890 --> 00:08:01,350 even getting interview requests. Now. What's the latest one? A 117 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:06,090 blind guys, three blind guys chatting. I think. I saw that 118 00:08:06,090 --> 00:08:11,700 email. I love that. I'm all in. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Of 119 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:14,910 course, of course. I said in July because, okay, now we're 120 00:08:15,030 --> 00:08:18,180 leaving the move and everything. And it's just, there's just so 121 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:23,280 much happening. But, yeah, they noticed it and they're like, Oh, 122 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,270 hold on a second, this podcast index thing and I'm seeing 123 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:29,670 people started, you know, kind of start to hear about it and 124 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:32,430 hopefully, a lot more people will be talking about it. You 125 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:36,150 know, when we, when the three musketeers show their presence 126 00:08:36,210 --> 00:08:41,280 at Bitcoin 2021 straight from the podcasting, 2.0, Airbnb. 127 00:08:41,820 --> 00:08:43,530 Three bedrooms, two bathrooms. 128 00:08:45,690 --> 00:08:49,050 That as I was telling Dan, today's like, I asked him if he 129 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:51,360 was going to do any, like podcast conferences or anything 130 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,610 now that they're kind of starting this stuff back up 131 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,150 here. And he was like, I don't know, what do you you know, we 132 00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:59,100 didn't do anything and that kind of thing. And I said, well, 133 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,110 we're going to the Bitcoin conference in Miami this 134 00:09:01,110 --> 00:09:03,870 weekend. He was like, Oh, that's no, okay. 135 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,370 I know. Mo was also jealous like crap. I wish I could go. Oh, did 136 00:09:08,370 --> 00:09:11,520 you want to go? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I've been I've been 137 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,060 pushing him so hard. I said, Hey, man, we're always talking 138 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:18,810 about you know, getting a piece of it. Here's the opportunity 139 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:22,680 read the book of black busted black, black America and 140 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:26,820 Bitcoin. This is this is very interesting. Yeah, he's, he's 141 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:32,820 all into it. You know, he's, he's got his email list yet. No, 142 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:44,490 he's was he mo has seen so many different great investment 143 00:09:44,490 --> 00:09:47,700 things that by the time here's his rule of thumb, just when 144 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:49,770 they hear my barber talking about it, you know, the 145 00:09:49,770 --> 00:09:53,550 importance of a black barber shop. You know, that's really 146 00:09:53,580 --> 00:09:56,580 that's really the news network. To the minute I hear it there 147 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,620 and like, Alright, a whole bunch of people gonna get screwed. 148 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,570 Usually around the time when they pull the rug out. So he's 149 00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:07,770 been very wary of that. But I said, hey, look, I just show you 150 00:10:07,770 --> 00:10:11,880 what I'm doing. And you can you can do it or not. And he has, 151 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:16,080 you know, all the OFAC SATs that we get stay in there. We're just 152 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,000 building that up. And I think he just hasn't had the time to 153 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,210 really, he hasn't. He hasn't quite had that aha moment, 154 00:10:24,210 --> 00:10:27,000 which, at least I think I've had when you really realize that Oh, 155 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,780 man, what a difference it was, who really make and how 156 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:33,690 frightening it will be for the established order and what a 157 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:38,700 fight we're in. And it could be it could last six months ago, 158 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:40,230 last 60 years. I don't know. 159 00:10:41,250 --> 00:10:44,910 I don't know which one. This is gonna feel off the wall. But I'm 160 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:48,870 gonna throw it out there. So have you seen the I think it's 161 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:54,570 called the more act the marijuana thing? No, I think so. 162 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:59,850 Let me look this up. It's the it got. I think it got approved and 163 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,870 in the house. I think it passed the house. We'll see more, 164 00:11:04,110 --> 00:11:08,700 more active 2020 reinvestment expungement act. Yeah, yeah, 165 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:10,260 decriminalize marijuana. 166 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,520 And expunge is all the all the, you know, criminal records for 167 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,590 people who really love drug war. Yeah. So the language goes 168 00:11:19,620 --> 00:11:23,640 pretty far. The language is it goes beyond just saying, okay, 169 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,980 here's what's going to happen. It also makes a lot of 170 00:11:29,010 --> 00:11:32,850 statements about the failure of the drug war, and how much it's 171 00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:37,950 messed up people's lives and that kind of thing. So, I 172 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:44,820 started thinking, you know, here we've had a drug war that has 173 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:50,670 ruined people's lives for going on. What 70 years. Sure that 174 00:11:50,670 --> 00:11:51,690 fair or longer? 175 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,340 Why don't we just why don't we Why don't just go back to the 176 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:59,370 war on drugs, which was Nancy Reagan. Was that not Nancy 177 00:11:59,370 --> 00:12:03,750 Reagan? Yeah, yeah, that was a sense. That's right. Yeah. So 178 00:12:03,750 --> 00:12:04,890 let's just take it from there. 179 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,010 Okay, so I'm thinking all the way back to like hemp. 180 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:13,620 Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, of course. And, yes, a lot of 181 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:16,740 the same people for similar reasons. hemp was the Hearst 182 00:12:16,740 --> 00:12:20,430 Corporation mainly didn't want that cheap paper stock. It just 183 00:12:20,430 --> 00:12:26,760 invested in all kinds of forestry in South America. And 184 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,640 of course, you could use it for fuel. Also very annoying. Very 185 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:33,630 annoying. Yeah. 186 00:12:34,110 --> 00:12:38,700 So you have the hemp banning. And then you have the whole 187 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:41,340 reefer madness era. I guess that was in the 60s. Right. Or that 188 00:12:41,340 --> 00:12:45,990 the 50s. That was 50s. Yeah, that was really early on, I 189 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:49,440 think. Yeah. Okay. So you've, you've kind of hit you've had 190 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:55,530 this marijuana war for? Let's just say minimums, or reefer 191 00:12:55,530 --> 00:13:01,680 madness was 1936 36. Okay. All right. So let's just say 80 192 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:11,190 years, rough, B, of marijuana, demonization. And then all of a 193 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:17,640 sudden you have this switch over the last decade really, where 194 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:20,700 states are beginning to loosen up and states are 195 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:24,600 decriminalizing marijuana. And I think I think there's like 17 196 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:30,180 states that have decriminalized, and then you have 30, like 36 or 197 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:34,470 so states. 30 something states who now have some form of 198 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:39,240 marijuana, medical marijuana bill, even Alabama, my state, 199 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:43,530 Alabama has a medical marijuana bill now, right? I mean, I 200 00:13:43,530 --> 00:13:48,780 thought I was going to get the floor with them. I was aghast. 201 00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:54,690 And so I'm thinking about all this, reading this act and 202 00:13:54,690 --> 00:14:01,380 reading the government saying how, how wrong their own actions 203 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:08,580 were. In light of what they thought at any given time over 204 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:14,430 this 80 year drug war. And I'm thinking, Okay, how can we trust 205 00:14:14,460 --> 00:14:20,700 any of their predictions at all? Just look at Bitcoin or 206 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:24,630 currency. Look at the wins. Okay, so now, you know, I see a 207 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:27,660 thing like, this is the way my mind works. I see a thing. This 208 00:14:27,660 --> 00:14:33,060 is, Oh, my God, we messed up. We screwed up millions of people's 209 00:14:33,060 --> 00:14:38,460 lives over an 80 year period. And we're sorry, we made a 210 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:44,250 mistake. And then, then I see somebody like Janet Yellen come 211 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:47,100 out and say, Hey, don't worry about that inflation. It's only 212 00:14:47,100 --> 00:14:53,400 temporary. And I'm like, Oh my god, somehow indeed. Yeah. How 213 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,850 in God's name is anybody supposed to trust you after 214 00:14:56,850 --> 00:15:02,940 this? epic epic screw up? You're in shafting of the American 215 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:06,750 people for 80 years and then like your then you know, okay, 216 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:10,650 don't worry about that. Just wait, trust us we know what's 217 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:12,930 going to happen in the economy six months from now please 218 00:15:12,930 --> 00:15:13,620 believe us. 219 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,390 Well, I'd like to address those in reverse order. What you see 220 00:15:18,390 --> 00:15:23,070 with Bitcoin with the the so called wild swings in shirt 221 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:29,490 10 15% that's that's lurching. That's a free market, that's a 222 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:33,780 market that has no circuit breakers has no temporary halts 223 00:15:33,780 --> 00:15:37,530 no 15 minute trading halt it trades 24 hours a day, seven 224 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,590 days a week, anything that's happening in the world can be 225 00:15:40,590 --> 00:15:46,710 reflected in that price. Whereas everything regulated by a Janet 226 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:54,240 wall, generally not by the fed by the SEC, or decided by the 227 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,650 Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen is all controlled. I 228 00:15:58,650 --> 00:16:02,220 mean, it's it's and to some degree, you need that for public 229 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:05,550 equity markets, you know, people have to have to have some kind 230 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:10,380 of, you know, for the for long term investors and Joe with the 231 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:16,290 Joe with the paycheck. But really, and I haven't read that 232 00:16:16,290 --> 00:16:22,290 bill is the US dollar in particular, it's all about drug 233 00:16:22,290 --> 00:16:25,560 money. Everything is about drugs, the whole banking system 234 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,000 is all about drugs. The average United States citizens spend 235 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,540 more on drugs than on on on oil products on gasoline. 236 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,060 And you're talking about elicit and, and at this point, I'm 237 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:41,130 talking about both Yeah, cuz the two, 238 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,880 the two are inseparable. You know, that's the Sackler family 239 00:16:45,210 --> 00:16:49,020 helped bring oxy in. But heroin has been a thing for as long as 240 00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:53,310 long as I've been alive. It's just, you know, and look at the 241 00:16:53,310 --> 00:16:57,600 military industrial complex. Again, it's financing wars. And 242 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,540 where does it come from Afghanistan, through Pakistan, 243 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:03,060 and ultimately, through Mexico, it's all it's all about the 244 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:07,830 whole. I'm convinced that during the so called great rachet, 245 00:17:07,830 --> 00:17:12,720 recession of 2008 2009, that if we hadn't had the drug economy, 246 00:17:12,750 --> 00:17:16,650 we really would have had a problem that we were saved. Yes. 247 00:17:17,070 --> 00:17:20,490 Yes. And we're in an all the banks are in on it. They're all 248 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:24,780 money laundering worldwide. And here is this very annoying 249 00:17:24,780 --> 00:17:30,960 Bitcoin thing. bog wait a minute is supposed to use our money. 250 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:34,590 Our money for the drugs? Not this thing? No, 251 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:35,730 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 252 00:17:36,420 --> 00:17:39,570 That's the big problem. And then, of course, if everyone 253 00:17:39,570 --> 00:17:42,960 really starts to get on board, and if one central bank says, 254 00:17:43,290 --> 00:17:47,430 We're gonna mined Bitcoin, it'll be a black hole hole, it's just 255 00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:51,210 gonna suck everybody in no one. No one. It's all about trust, 256 00:17:51,210 --> 00:17:53,580 right? It's all it's just an illusion. And I would be very 257 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:56,490 sad because it doesn't mean the United States is going to get 258 00:17:56,490 --> 00:18:01,170 any better from it when he went, but it is the Petro dollar is 259 00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:02,070 the problem. 260 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:06,360 That brings up the thing that Dan was talking about today. He 261 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,420 said, you know, the only thing that he said the only thing that 262 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:13,170 bugs me about Bitcoin is just the energy consumption. And so 263 00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:17,430 would you set him straight? I hope? Yeah, I guess I did. I 264 00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:22,020 mean, I guess I did my best. But what I what I told him was, you 265 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:27,600 know, the misunderstanding here is that bit Bitcoin can operate 266 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:32,490 at any hash power. Yep. The full the full network of Bitcoin in 267 00:18:32,490 --> 00:18:36,630 the way the protocol works, can work. If just just go back, 268 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:38,550 rewind, rewind the clock to 269 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:42,690 you were mining, but go go back six years? 270 00:18:43,170 --> 00:18:47,580 Yeah, 678 years. And you're you could mine on a single crappy 271 00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:51,750 video card or even your CPU. And you could do fine and still work 272 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:54,720 the whole. Yeah, and it still worked fine. We're perfectly so 273 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:57,450 even if let's just say that the government that governments 274 00:18:57,450 --> 00:19:02,670 around the world say, okay, we cap Bitcoin at X number of 275 00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:08,190 megawatts, per you know, whatever day, it'll be fun. 276 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:12,660 It'll operate just like it would normally there. That's not that 277 00:19:12,660 --> 00:19:16,260 lowering the hash power and the energy usage does not change. 278 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:19,380 It'll take what is it like two weeks or 10 days or something 279 00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:22,860 like that for the difficulty rate to drop to compensate. And 280 00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:25,440 then everybody's back back around. And it's same level. 281 00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:31,920 Also, mining in particular, is actually usually quite green, if 282 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,870 you want to call it that. China using hydro power, increasingly, 283 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:42,330 and in Texas, that we have a boom going on here. Great 284 00:19:42,330 --> 00:19:45,540 American mining company think that's Marty bent. They're 285 00:19:45,540 --> 00:19:49,470 packing up. Miners in shipping containers moving into the gas 286 00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:53,190 field, converting the methane gas that's normally flared off 287 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:57,510 into energy, which is completely on demand up or down and then we 288 00:19:57,510 --> 00:20:02,100 have except when it freezes, we have have phenomenal wind power 289 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:05,640 in Texas. And actually, we have too much. And when you have too 290 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,910 much power coming out of you can't just shove it into the 291 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:11,610 grid. So you need to either start shutting down windmills, 292 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,560 or Wouldn't it be cool to have a load? Yes, you can have a 293 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,110 constant load from mining. So there's it's but yeah, it's just 294 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:25,740 one of those things put out one of those big ones. When I've no 295 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:29,340 idea what you're what you're seeing now, is Elan musk. And 296 00:20:30,270 --> 00:20:36,450 what's the say? Or what's his name? The The, the hedge fund 297 00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:40,980 guy. Tell the micro strategies, dude, that guy. Yeah. You know, 298 00:20:41,070 --> 00:20:44,100 not just sailor Mike. Yeah, so they're trying to do like, Well, 299 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:46,590 you know, we'll have we'll mark these bitcoins if they've been 300 00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:48,930 done with coal and eff off. 301 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:51,210 Anyway, yeah, 302 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,330 we don't want to get too far off the topic. Other than that, what 303 00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:57,120 is and this is the reason we're, we're and by the time you're 304 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,000 hearing this, we're in Miami. The reason we're here is because 305 00:21:00,030 --> 00:21:04,320 we are the use case for lightning, that is, is making 306 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,750 everyone pay attention. This is a real world value exchange. 307 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,390 And, as far as I can tell, especially with the micro 308 00:21:15,390 --> 00:21:21,330 payments, it's unique, unique of its kind. And so this shows 309 00:21:21,330 --> 00:21:24,390 people what can actually be done and we have success. We have 310 00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:30,240 continuous payments flowing 24 hours a day. And conversions 311 00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:35,670 like Chad, we're proselytizing. Yes. Yeah, we got and we got 312 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,410 handsome t shirts to wear to 313 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:43,620 you Oh, yeah, the T shirts. The T shirts came came in that Eric 314 00:21:43,620 --> 00:21:46,500 Got him. So we'll be getting those figured out for shipping 315 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:51,090 out and stuff too. But I want to hear your thing that you never 316 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:53,820 explained last time your theory on the Bitcoin crash? 317 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:02,010 Oh, it was a I learned that this was a classic wycoff 318 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,880 distribution strategy. And spell it spell it? How do you spell 319 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:12,660 WYCOCKOF? I believe wycoff. There's, I think there's a wiki 320 00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:17,730 page for it. And, and I didn't see this by myself. But I used 321 00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:20,940 to day trade. And so I do know a lot about the patterns. I'm a 322 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:24,660 very there's a technical day trader, not so much on long term 323 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:27,720 patterns. But I certainly understand them and can 324 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,440 comprehend what's going on. But what happened with Bitcoin was a 325 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,200 perfect overlay of this strategy, which I think was 326 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,040 created in the 1920s. This guy white, I think was Paul wycoff. 327 00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:42,360 He said, Richard, Richard wycoff, close, Paul, Dick Perry 328 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,780 says chip, he said if you can manipulate the market enough the 329 00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:52,650 price, which means that you can do that with high frequency 330 00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:55,740 trading these days, if you can, if you can manipulate the price, 331 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:59,250 and you do it in this pattern, where you give people optimum 332 00:22:59,250 --> 00:23:03,060 confidence and a drop down. I mean, you overlay that with the 333 00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:08,250 Bitcoin, quote unquote, crash. I mean, it's almost perfect with 334 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,260 Elan musk being the tipping point with the with the twofer, 335 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,150 as called for in the model. The first one is, you know, SNL 336 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:24,000 Dogecoin is a scam that started to hurt. And then the next one 337 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,290 was no Tesla not gonna take your Bitcoin. And then he doubled 338 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:33,030 down with is not green enough to too much energy consumption. And 339 00:23:33,030 --> 00:23:37,140 that basically ended the whole strategy with wanting to all 340 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:40,770 people are completely short to and they could make money on the 341 00:23:40,770 --> 00:23:43,830 way up and on the way down. And it's a it's a well known 342 00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:47,490 strategy. And if you overlay those two charts, it's almost 343 00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:51,390 identical. So this was wall street who came in, and they 344 00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:55,590 left a calling card. Hey, kids, we're here. And we're for real. 345 00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:57,720 So in a way, I'm kind of delighted because this was 346 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,260 something completely different from previous that dips, I 347 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:01,680 think. 348 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,110 Okay, so this Yeah, this is the new the accumulation phase, the 349 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:11,850 distribution phase, the correction. Oh, yes, they go. 350 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,490 Yeah, see if you can track this you make you make your money on 351 00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:16,620 the way up, and then you flip and you make your money all the 352 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:17,100 way down? 353 00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:20,580 Yep. And make no mistake, there's something still going on 354 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:24,900 with GameStop. And yeah, that's weird, too. They've had, of 355 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:28,290 course, it's a real war. Now. The hedge fund guys are screwing 356 00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:32,640 each other. This isn't just GameStop kids now this is 357 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,250 something new going on here. Now. Now. Now they're eating 358 00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:39,330 each other. And someone's hurting really bad. The Reddit, 359 00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:42,330 the Reddit guys showed them the new the new way to do it. And 360 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:44,820 they were like, oh, we'll just stick that in our in our tool 361 00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:45,630 belt here. Right. 362 00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:53,400 Yeah. So that's a that's a okay. AMC GameStop both up like 3020 363 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,880 points. Had halts. Trading halts. 364 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,610 Yes, there was something similar On a internet stock to somebody 365 00:25:02,610 --> 00:25:06,240 game sent me today and a buddy of mine. He's like, if you heard 366 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,340 of this stock, it's up like 300% today. 367 00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:13,050 Yeah, I get it now again, get in now. Now's the time to go. 368 00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:18,870 Anyway. It'll be interesting. There's a number of people are 369 00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:22,290 presenting on our behalf actually, Ryan Gentry will be 370 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:31,260 doing a bid on us. And I think Gary from Graham's or Gary 371 00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:35,280 Graham from voltage, and I'm sure Paul will be there from 372 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,470 Spinks and it's gonna be quite cool. 373 00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:41,280 I feel like a poser because I don't know anything about the 374 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,720 way the Bitcoin Core software itself works. I know what the 375 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,900 protocol looks like, but I don't know. I've never done any kind 376 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,560 of hacking around on any of the Bitcoin Core protocols or 377 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,640 lightning day for 378 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:58,020 you don't understand, bro. You're a rock star. Like that's 379 00:25:58,020 --> 00:25:59,550 Dave Jones. podcasting. 380 00:25:59,970 --> 00:26:07,080 No. Give me a break. He's that T shirt. Oh, hold on a second. 381 00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:12,060 Here's your cue to boot. That's right, everybody. You want to I 382 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:14,820 have to say you're boosting is making me blush. 383 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:17,850 I've got 384 00:26:19,530 --> 00:26:26,670 speaking of banning use cases for things. I want to I want to 385 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:32,280 address some pod ping misconceptions. Okie dokie. That 386 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:39,450 via podcast Insider. with Mike Dell. Ooh, we got clips. I'm 387 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:42,000 liking this. Like I got five clips. Oh 388 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,980 my goodness, Dave. You are developer? husband, father. 389 00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:52,440 podcaster. Ladies and gentlemen. What? What can this man not do? 390 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:59,100 rodent removal specialist. possum. possum goo cleaner, huh? 391 00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:02,460 only like two of those things you listed are things I actually 392 00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:09,000 want to do with my life. Okay, so, pot. I've got five clips 393 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,460 here from the podcast insider show, where Mike Dell was 394 00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:20,070 talking to Angela, who's the CEO of blueberry. And now I want 395 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:22,860 they're talking about pod paying. And they would just sit 396 00:27:22,860 --> 00:27:26,610 there. They've completely misunderstood it. So this is 397 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,110 this is my Yeah, this is this is going to be but um, but I'm 398 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:37,860 glad. Because it helps to see these things be misunderstood 399 00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:41,010 and give an opportunity to correct them. And then go 400 00:27:41,010 --> 00:27:44,490 through these piece by piece and i don't i will say up front. I 401 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:47,760 don't hold anything. I don't I'm not offended or hold anything 402 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,320 against them in any way. Because I think this is these are just 403 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,730 natural misunderstandings. 404 00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:55,980 Do I still get to make jokes and laugh about it? Whatever. 405 00:27:55,980 --> 00:28:01,590 They're saying? Oh, hell yeah. Okay. By the way, this is 406 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:07,800 fantastic. I love this real time. You know what, back in the 407 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,190 day, what I've seen between developers and how things are 408 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:16,770 understood, it'd be PC posts. A PC completely missed the whole 409 00:28:16,770 --> 00:28:21,660 point. And people get in, like me not email form or email list. 410 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,940 email list. And this is so beautiful, where it's like, oh, 411 00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:31,200 they actually explained what they thought we could all hear 412 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,530 it straight from their mouths. And now we can help them come 413 00:28:34,530 --> 00:28:35,850 closer to what we think it is. 414 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:43,320 Yeah, and we can now we can show the light. Okay, so pod ping 415 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:43,770 one. 416 00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:48,420 So something that might help solve that is things like this 417 00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:49,020 next thing, we're 418 00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:53,130 going to talk about pod Ping. It's similar to web sub, and the 419 00:28:53,130 --> 00:28:57,300 old ping service that Apple used to run. And it's another 420 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:01,740 initiative of the podcast index people. And it looks like it has 421 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,520 some potential to help in certain cases. But as you and I 422 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,900 were talking about before the show, it also seems like unless 423 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:14,070 the big guys pick it up, how useful is it going to be? And 424 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,760 you know, how much effort do we want to put into it? Okay, 425 00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:22,500 I just want to say the podcast, the podcast index, people, 426 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,940 please in future just referred to us as the pod people, okay. 427 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:30,180 Just take it, take it all the way home. It's gonna happen 428 00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:35,580 anyway. So the pod people yes. Okay. And so that's interesting. 429 00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:39,840 He so when he says the big players as you mean, apple, or 430 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,620 Spotify? 431 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,330 I'm not quite sure. Fill in the blank. I think so that and 432 00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:48,930 that's my first that's my first issue with this is, is I want to 433 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:56,490 say Mike, you are the big guys. We are the big guys. The 434 00:29:56,490 --> 00:30:00,810 podcast, the indie, the independent podcast industry. is 435 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:07,680 the big guys. Your your, your mistake is looking at it as if, 436 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,050 as if you are the squishy middle, and you're surrounded by 437 00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:16,860 the big monstrous guys like apple, Spotify, Google, all 438 00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:20,460 these other guys, that's that's not true. The Independent 439 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:24,810 podcast industry drives the entire ecosystem in the whole 440 00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:34,260 show. So what what we do, all of us is how these things happen 441 00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:40,830 and move forward with, we need to stop waiting on us to make 442 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:46,830 technological developments. Until these mythical big guys, 443 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:50,250 elephants get on board with things. That's just that, that 444 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,180 is the type of thinking that gives away your strength and 445 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:56,730 gives away your power. So that that's, that's more of just a 446 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:59,940 philosophical thing. I heard that. And I'm like, No, I don't. 447 00:31:00,030 --> 00:31:03,480 That's I don't want to wait on any quote unquote, big guy to do 448 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,020 anything. I mean, like, Why? Why would we ever wait on them? 449 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:15,570 Because they're not going to do it anyway. So well done, sir. 450 00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:17,100 It's a big boardroom today. 451 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,720 At the boardroom goes crazy. You're so right. And we also 452 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,000 drive features. We drive innovation. And it's always been 453 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,970 that way. Well, except for the 10 years that I would do on 454 00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:35,070 something else. 10 years ago, you came back saying no, the 10 455 00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:37,410 years that Dave and I were studying this crap with all 456 00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:41,610 kinds of failed ideas. But you're absolutely right. We 457 00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:45,570 drive it and and even more so today. And it's working this 458 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,290 this campaign of, Hey, why don't you? Hey, listeners, once you 459 00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:53,670 tried a new app, it'll still work. Go to new podcast apps 460 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:58,530 calm. Now whenever. whenever I can, I'd like to tweet I tried 461 00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:01,410 to do a round robin was like, if I'm going to tweet something out 462 00:32:01,410 --> 00:32:05,610 for an episode I'll do now that breeze has has shared links at 463 00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:12,600 the at the admin episode level, I think now. Yeah. I'll do that. 464 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,640 Or sometimes a pod verse clip. I just tried to use something from 465 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,610 everybody's, you know, whatever app I have handy from the 466 00:32:20,610 --> 00:32:23,010 strength. Yeah. And just because then when someone clicks on it, 467 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:24,900 they get an experience. You know, I was like, Oh, hold on a 468 00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:29,220 second. Like, pod verse has web and app. It's interesting. But 469 00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:34,200 even even the pod friend, Curio caster, you get a link like 470 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,600 that, like, Oh, shit, this, what is this? I have an app now all 471 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,620 of a sudden, it's just running. 472 00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:42,240 Yeah, I love I love getting a good clip at a pod verse. And 473 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,770 then you can just shoot it around all over. That's where I 474 00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:50,820 got all these clips from. Okay, so that's the philosophical 475 00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:56,820 thing. But the technical stuff. piping to Yeah, this is, you 476 00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:58,950 know, when you think about it, there was already a ping 477 00:32:58,950 --> 00:33:03,420 protocol that dates back to like 2001 2003, that was used for 478 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,570 writing pages and letting other sites know, I'm trying to 479 00:33:06,570 --> 00:33:09,300 remember what that service was called back. And it's still 480 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:12,270 around. And actually, when we use our power press plug in, you 481 00:33:12,270 --> 00:33:15,210 can go into tools, and you can click a button and it adds those 482 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,360 pings services to your power press site. And they don't 483 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,810 require you to have an account or password. It's pretty privacy 484 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,030 geared way ahead of its time when you think about it. 485 00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:28,590 Oh, so he's kind of thinking you do this at an individual level 486 00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:29,910 and not from the host level? 487 00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:35,250 Yeah. So the whole the, when you listen to these clips, you 488 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640 understand that they're misunderstanding the nature of 489 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,520 pod pain of what it is. They're thinking it apparently, and I 490 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,880 reached out to Mike, to see if I could clear up some of this 491 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,850 stuff, but I hadn't heard back from him. But they're evidently 492 00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:53,820 thinking that this is just sort of like a track back or a ping 493 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:57,690 back, one to one like a WordPress type deals as opposed 494 00:33:57,690 --> 00:34:03,120 to an open, accessible and writable blockchain format that 495 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240 anyone can that anyone can ping their pod to. 496 00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:10,110 Yeah, and the other thing that compare it to is the app, the 497 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:14,130 old Apple, it was called ping podcast. Did you What was that? 498 00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:18,660 That was? And it was, well, it's, it was exactly what they 499 00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:22,950 think this is, which is, you would the hosting company would 500 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:27,180 send a paying a get request or some form. I don't know if it's 501 00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:31,560 a post or what format it took directly to Apple to let them 502 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,950 know that a feed had changed. And they would get back a 503 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:37,620 response. Well, they dropped they they killed the ping 504 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:41,850 podcast service. And I think they replaced it with the lookup 505 00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:45,240 API or something. They replaced it with some other API, but it 506 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,020 doesn't work the same. So you can't, you can no longer notify 507 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:54,090 Apple that a feed has changed and forced them to date and then 508 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:58,380 respond and go poet, but that but that used to be a thing you 509 00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:05,790 could do. The thing here again, is it's just you pinging apple. 510 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,270 It doesn't Yeah, it doesn't help me, it doesn't help the rest of 511 00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:14,700 the ecosystem now. Right, right. Okay, so putting three that way, 512 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:19,050 and then web sub came, which is great because it solved the 513 00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:23,580 issue where we wanted to distribute the updates in a way 514 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:26,790 that only the people that wanted to get notified would get it, 515 00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:32,040 and then they would redistribute those notifications. Okay, so 516 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,840 web sub, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna out, I've realized that 517 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,230 I've not done a great job of outlining the issues with web 518 00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:42,990 sub, and I'm going to try to finally do this, because in a 519 00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:49,830 coherent way, if web sub is in I'm not sure what he means he 520 00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:54,270 says the word redistribute here, and I don't, I don't really 521 00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:56,850 understand what he means in this in the context, because I don't 522 00:35:56,850 --> 00:36:01,740 think he's applying that term correctly to webs protocol. But 523 00:36:01,770 --> 00:36:05,280 but I think I understand what he means he just said it in an odd 524 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:13,500 way. The problem Problem number one, with with webs up is that 525 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:20,490 it's only for servers, you have to have a server online, all the 526 00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:27,120 time waiting for the hub, to send you a notification to tell 527 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,490 you that a feed has updated. So the way this works is a feed a 528 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:37,920 podcast feed is tied to quote unquote, tied to a certain hub 529 00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:44,160 is within the feed. It has a tag in there an Adam link tag, this 530 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,700 specifies what the web sub hub address web address is. Four 531 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:56,310 that that handles that feed is a when you aggregate that feed 532 00:36:56,310 --> 00:37:00,270 when you read it and parse it out, you see the hub, and then 533 00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:06,330 you subscribe to the hub, giving it the the URL of that feed and 534 00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:10,410 say I want to be a hub, I want you to notify me anytime this 535 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:16,110 thing changes. Okay. The hubs is more like a relay. Really? Yeah. 536 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:22,680 So the hub then responds to you and says, with a challenge, and 537 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:28,020 says, Are you, you know, are you sure that you are the web hook, 538 00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:31,320 are you the server that wants this notification, and it gives 539 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,500 you a challenge code, and you have to respond to that 540 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:39,210 challenge. It's like a three way handshake. That's, that is to 541 00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:43,500 specific, specific, void to Yeah, and, and even more 542 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:47,550 specifically in Spam is to stop reflection DDoS attacks, right? 543 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,120 So that you could, you know, like, you could sign up 544 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,970 somebody, you start subscribing somebody else to a whole bunch 545 00:37:53,970 --> 00:37:59,160 of right web sub traffic that they didn't ask for. So that is, 546 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:05,160 that is the way the process works. So if you pass the 547 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:11,340 subscription challenge, you get a seven to 15 day subscription 548 00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:16,290 period. After that seven to fit, you have to, you have to hold on 549 00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:20,040 to that you have to remember where it tells you how long it's 550 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,740 you have to add, you asked for it. And then it tells you in 551 00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:25,920 response, this is how many days this script is going to last. 552 00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:30,360 You have to you have to track that state. And be sure to re 553 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,340 subscribe to that feed at that hub, before it expires, or 554 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:40,710 you'll stop getting pings. The so then so then anytime a 555 00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:45,360 publisher notified anytime of publisher of that feed, notifies 556 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,980 that hub that you're subscribed to that that feed updated in the 557 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:54,690 hub will send a ping. The critical part of this is your 558 00:38:55,530 --> 00:39:02,250 hub receiver that you registered with the hub, your server has to 559 00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:08,430 be online to receive the pings when they come in. And you have 560 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:11,400 to hit the challenge to return the challenge 561 00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:16,320 to receive and to re subscribe. Yeah, you have to be constantly 562 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,400 re subscribing. 563 00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:22,740 Is there also a timeout on the on the ping side that that if 564 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:26,490 you don't ping for let's say 15 days that then you get a new a 565 00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:29,820 new ID and a new or does it always remain the same on that 566 00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:30,150 hub? 567 00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:33,630 You know, that's an issue. I've never looked at the publisher 568 00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:37,800 side of it. So I'm not sure that's the question. That's a 569 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,100 really interesting question that I don't know the answer to. I'm 570 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:50,940 shocked Don't be shocked myself. Boost myself for that. So that's 571 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:51,840 Problem number one. 572 00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:54,660 You totally need some sound effects on that side, brother. 573 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:55,050 Yeah, 574 00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:02,549 I know. You don't want to give me that power. The. So that's 575 00:40:02,549 --> 00:40:06,749 Problem number one, that's, that's the traffic. Look at all 576 00:40:06,749 --> 00:40:11,039 that traffic that has to go back and forth in order to make in 577 00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:17,579 order to set up a scenario where your server can be notified. But 578 00:40:17,579 --> 00:40:20,699 only if it's all online and ready and waiting to receive it, 579 00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:23,939 then you have to make sure you have entries that you go back 580 00:40:23,939 --> 00:40:29,429 and re subscribe on time. Yes. And like I said before, so we 581 00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:34,979 were doing all that basically, we have a server, we have one 582 00:40:34,979 --> 00:40:39,989 server that does nothing but resubscribed web sub all day 583 00:40:40,019 --> 00:40:45,539 long. Because every one of anchors feeds, of which we have 584 00:40:45,539 --> 00:40:51,809 1.6 million in the index is web sub enabled. It's a nightmare. 585 00:40:52,349 --> 00:40:55,829 And so that yet, he is correct when he says that web sub is a 586 00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:59,729 great is a great idea. And it does democratize some of the 587 00:40:59,729 --> 00:41:04,799 subscription stuff. But at scale, it completely falls down. 588 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:12,509 So that's that's Problem number one. Problem number two, is more 589 00:41:12,509 --> 00:41:15,329 simple is just the fact that not everybody supports it. I mean, 590 00:41:15,329 --> 00:41:19,769 there's big hosts out there like Lipson, a cast, fireside, they 591 00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:23,669 don't, they don't support web sub. And part of it and I was 592 00:41:23,669 --> 00:41:28,139 talking to Dan today about this is simply the fact that you have 593 00:41:28,139 --> 00:41:33,509 to run a hub, if you want to, you can run a hub and such and 594 00:41:34,139 --> 00:41:39,059 potentially send out, I don't know, 500 webhook calls every 595 00:41:39,059 --> 00:41:45,329 time somebody updates their, their podcast. Now you could 596 00:41:45,479 --> 00:41:50,129 leech off of the public Google server, which a lot of people 597 00:41:50,129 --> 00:41:53,579 do. It misses a lot, though, it really misses a lot. It's 598 00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:57,779 overloaded, it's overloaded, because it's free, you know. And 599 00:41:57,779 --> 00:42:02,729 then super faders, not free. It's a paid service. So, you 600 00:42:02,729 --> 00:42:05,579 know, that's, that's Problem number two. Problem number three 601 00:42:07,979 --> 00:42:14,549 is the fact that it does not allow for anything other than 602 00:42:14,549 --> 00:42:18,269 just pure lead change notifications. It's limited in 603 00:42:18,269 --> 00:42:23,279 its scope. So if you ever wanted to put something else into web 604 00:42:23,279 --> 00:42:29,339 sub, like a some sort of other push notification, like we've 605 00:42:29,339 --> 00:42:32,219 been talking about with a live streaming started, stuff like 606 00:42:32,219 --> 00:42:38,039 that, there's you can't, there's no facility, facility. So that 607 00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:42,539 is the problem with websites that they were trying to solve. 608 00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:50,009 And you can play good play for piping for this pod ping is just 609 00:42:50,009 --> 00:42:53,609 another version of the older style Ping. And it doesn't have 610 00:42:53,609 --> 00:42:56,489 at least from what I was looking at the documentation and way of 611 00:42:56,489 --> 00:42:59,909 redistributing the updates like web sub does. So it's kinda it's 612 00:42:59,909 --> 00:43:03,119 a step backwards. Obviously, it helps that whole initiative with 613 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:07,019 podcast index and helps build their business empire. But 614 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,559 that's just another layer the onion? Yeah, hold on a second. 615 00:43:13,649 --> 00:43:19,379 Dave. I'm just gonna open my check. This is Empire. It's got 616 00:43:19,379 --> 00:43:22,439 to be one of those big checks, because that's the giant Yeah, 617 00:43:22,439 --> 00:43:24,899 the Publishers Clearing House check otherwise doesn't count. 618 00:43:24,959 --> 00:43:27,419 Yeah, we don't we don't read anything less than seven digits 619 00:43:27,419 --> 00:43:32,519 at this point. Okay, so that's clearly he's just 620 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,959 misunderstanding he, he's, he's saying that, that pod paying is 621 00:43:36,959 --> 00:43:40,019 like the old Apple paying service where, where everybody's 622 00:43:40,019 --> 00:43:44,429 just sending us their updates. Alright, couple of things. 623 00:43:47,669 --> 00:43:54,089 Number one, the pod ping cloud service. We're running it. But 624 00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:57,329 it does. It's not it doesn't touch our infrastructure at all. 625 00:43:57,959 --> 00:44:01,529 It it shares absolutely no infrastructure with podcast 626 00:44:01,529 --> 00:44:07,109 index. It's all it's all running on its own set on its own set of 627 00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:09,629 servers behind its own CloudFlare and all that stuff. 628 00:44:09,629 --> 00:44:14,969 It's independent. Number two, it's it's open source. The repos 629 00:44:14,969 --> 00:44:17,279 out there. You can go run your own server today with a you 630 00:44:17,279 --> 00:44:21,149 don't need us at all. It's completely independent of us. 631 00:44:22,049 --> 00:44:25,649 But the most important thing, though, is number go ahead and 632 00:44:25,649 --> 00:44:28,949 play ping five. And it's got buzzwords like it's using 633 00:44:28,949 --> 00:44:30,659 blockchain and blah, blah. 634 00:44:30,989 --> 00:44:36,239 So Oh, yeah. I like the high road you're taking Dave, you are 635 00:44:36,389 --> 00:44:37,799 much better man than I am. 636 00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:44,220 So the The reason it's easy for me to take to not be irritated 637 00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:48,210 by this kind of thing is because I get it. When you're when 638 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,300 you've been in it for the last 10 years. You've heard 639 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:55,380 blockchain so many times that you just want to barf. I mean, 640 00:44:56,340 --> 00:45:00,270 seriously, okay. So I'm in the finance my day job. was in 641 00:45:00,270 --> 00:45:06,240 financial services. And for the for at least five years, every 642 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,080 conference you go to it was there's gonna be three different 643 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,900 session breakout sessions on blockchain technology and how is 644 00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:16,950 the future and we're all gonna lose our jobs and none like so 645 00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:19,800 about two years ago that all stopped and nobody even mentions 646 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,370 it anymore. And the reason is because blockchain the old adage 647 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:26,130 is blockchain was a, you know, solution looking for a problem, 648 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,460 right? Well, so I get it, I understand what's my Yo, when 649 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:32,640 somebody tells knotty guy about blockchain, your eyes roll back 650 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,920 in your head, you're just like whatever. But there are some 651 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,430 legitimate use cases for blockchain. cryptocurrency, 652 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,710 obviously is one of them. Another Another one is lot 653 00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:51,390 tracking. For things like let's just say pharmaceuticals or 654 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,930 food, food delivery, you want to be able to track lots on a 655 00:45:54,930 --> 00:45:59,220 public ledger to for, that everybody can participate in, 656 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,260 there are a few, obviously clearly limited, that there are 657 00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:09,030 a few legitimate use cases. This is one of those use cases. I do 658 00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:13,110 think wholeheartedly that we have found a legitimate use case 659 00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:17,790 for blockchain technology. And here's, here's, here's why it's 660 00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:24,750 legit. It's the host, any host of a podcast, any podcast 661 00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:31,560 publisher, sends a ping to a pod ping server. The pod ping server 662 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,680 just accepts that URL and writes it to the hive blockchain. The 663 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:43,350 Hive blockchain is public. At that point, anybody can see it, 664 00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:49,290 you don't need a server to see it. All you need is a is a 665 00:46:49,290 --> 00:46:54,330 script running on your computer, any computer a Raspberry Pi, 666 00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:57,240 your work your windows workstation, a server in the 667 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:02,070 cloud, your phone, a web browser, anything can watch the 668 00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:05,730 blockchain and see every URL that comes through and see which 669 00:47:05,730 --> 00:47:09,690 ones need to be polled. see which ones need to have changed. 670 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:15,360 If your server, if you're running a server that needs that 671 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,030 is critical that you need to know which ones have changed, 672 00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:21,780 like us, it's critical that we need to know when things change, 673 00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:25,680 we don't want to miss stuff. So if I'm if I rebooted my web sub 674 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,030 server, I may have missed 40 web sub pings in that amount of 675 00:47:30,030 --> 00:47:33,150 time. And I'll never know which which ones they were. In this 676 00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:37,350 case, you can just go back into chain. Yeah, you I've got I have 677 00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:44,730 our server set to to look back one hour of blogs. So anytime I 678 00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:49,980 reboot the server, it starts one hour ago and replays all the all 679 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,590 the updates since then, and gets us caught up to write back to 680 00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:57,660 current. That is something that web sub cannot do in any shape, 681 00:47:57,660 --> 00:48:04,620 form or fashion. And the the other thing is, you don't it's 682 00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:09,630 it's instant and global and free. Nobody has to pay. It's 683 00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:11,130 completely decentralized. 684 00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,469 Well, no, that's not true. It's permanent. And true. Brian of 685 00:48:13,469 --> 00:48:16,619 London, I think is paid $8 million in hive coin or 686 00:48:16,619 --> 00:48:22,259 something. He has high power. It's like Power Rangers. I have 687 00:48:22,259 --> 00:48:27,569 power. I told I want to I want to make sure that he's not 688 00:48:27,569 --> 00:48:30,089 taking money out of his pocket that we should be able to give 689 00:48:30,089 --> 00:48:33,299 him some of the you know, I just don't want him to be paying for 690 00:48:33,299 --> 00:48:33,899 all this. 691 00:48:34,110 --> 00:48:42,720 Now I bought some hive. I now own hive your hyper hive. See I 692 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:47,160 can't give you any because I powered it all up. Dude, your 693 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:53,580 high powers How much does a little hive power costs 694 00:48:54,119 --> 00:49:01,319 I got about the word crazy. So the way you do it is I did it 695 00:49:01,319 --> 00:49:03,989 through a website called block trades. And the reason I'm 696 00:49:03,989 --> 00:49:06,479 laughing is because it's it's just like hilarious the amount 697 00:49:06,479 --> 00:49:10,769 of steps you go through. So I got on to Coinbase and bought 698 00:49:11,189 --> 00:49:17,099 one light coin and then and then I got on the block trades and 699 00:49:17,129 --> 00:49:22,619 set up an account there transfer your your your Litecoin to yet 700 00:49:22,739 --> 00:49:26,639 like block trades sets, you give block trade your hive account 701 00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:31,589 name and then it sets up a Litecoin receiver address then 702 00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:33,509 you get on Coinbase and send your Litecoin 703 00:49:35,369 --> 00:49:36,029 blockchain 704 00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:41,730 and then you get in then it converts it into hive and 705 00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:46,620 deposits it in your account and and bada boom bada bang, you've 706 00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:52,560 got Have you got a cocktail? Yeah. And then so I'm on the 707 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,070 phone with Brian. And he says, Oh yeah, and don't forget to 708 00:49:56,070 --> 00:50:02,850 power it up. And I was like what the hell is that? I like it. I 709 00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:05,190 mean, I really like the sound of this but it's cool and it's 710 00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:09,300 cool. He's like he said, you get a badge if you if you read up on 711 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,540 the first day of the ride, did you get your badge? I don't know 712 00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:13,230 I checked it. 713 00:50:13,319 --> 00:50:19,649 Oh, by the way if anyone wants to see pod ping in action and I 714 00:50:19,649 --> 00:50:24,029 showed this to Dvorak and he I think he watches it hours a day. 715 00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:29,219 pod paying I'm not kidding he's he's like oh my god What are you 716 00:50:29,219 --> 00:50:33,149 guys doing? This is great pod ping dot watch. You can see this 717 00:50:33,179 --> 00:50:36,179 updating in real time it's coming right off the blockchain 718 00:50:36,929 --> 00:50:43,319 This was built this Steve yeah Steven crater Yep. Steven crater 719 00:50:44,939 --> 00:50:48,629 and but you know, just it loads the the most recent 50 updates 720 00:50:48,659 --> 00:50:50,519 and you sit there and just boom, boom, boom, they just come 721 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:55,079 flowing in. Live in real time. It's It's beautiful. And this is 722 00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:59,489 now this is really all podcast if I'm not if I'm not mistaken, 723 00:50:59,489 --> 00:51:02,459 right. Because you've you've jacked into we have or is not 724 00:51:02,459 --> 00:51:09,599 nice. I turn that off. Oh, okay. So this is just buzzsprout RSS 725 00:51:09,629 --> 00:51:10,379 comm 726 00:51:12,809 --> 00:51:18,089 transistor transistor, captivate and candidate and, and fire 727 00:51:18,089 --> 00:51:24,389 hose, fires fire hose, fire hose.fm. Yeah, fire fireside is 728 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,649 he's doing it now. 729 00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:30,180 And all of this is just it's just, it is truly from, from the 730 00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:34,500 perspective of hosting companies just adding one, one extra API 731 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:35,880 call to the process, right? 732 00:51:36,389 --> 00:51:39,929 You know, that's not one thing. It's one GET request every every 733 00:51:39,929 --> 00:51:42,839 time you feed rebuilds, or every time you publish a new episode, 734 00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:49,919 it's one it's one call. And and on a technical level, it only it 735 00:51:49,949 --> 00:51:54,869 all it 99% of the time, it returns a 200 if there's ever 736 00:51:54,869 --> 00:51:58,139 anything that happens with like a failure on the blockchain or a 737 00:51:58,139 --> 00:52:00,809 retry, and we take care of all that stuff, because the software 738 00:52:00,809 --> 00:52:04,739 handles that internally. It just it just gives a 200 response to 739 00:52:04,739 --> 00:52:08,009 the to the host like those never has to worry about any of that 740 00:52:08,009 --> 00:52:08,369 stuff. 741 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,140 Well, the only the only thing I would say is any host that 742 00:52:13,140 --> 00:52:20,370 doesn't do this clearly. Clearly just hates the earth. Yeah, I 743 00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:24,420 mean, this is the greenest way to do podcast updates that I've 744 00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:27,600 ever ever seen. Yeah, I mean, Mike 745 00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:31,170 like effects. No, it's gonna it's gonna kill you. If they're 746 00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:33,870 in Traverse City you got you got to get on board and climate 747 00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:34,260 change. 748 00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:41,159 And we need the WordPress plugin to be able to do this. 749 00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:46,380 Yeah, so that's, that's port, port, whatever. I'm on 25 B or 750 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:51,720 whatever. So that's part of that is that we are just hosting this 751 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:56,760 thing to beat. You got to bootstrap it. So like, what's 752 00:52:57,990 --> 00:53:11,220 Oh, gosh. The guy the car convert. Doug, Chad. Chad. Yeah, 753 00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:15,480 Chad, Pharaoh, Chad. Fair. So Chad. I mean, we you gotta have 754 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,010 some Chad to help us bootstrap with some wisdom us, you know, 755 00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:23,760 some cash. Yeah, cold hard cash. And now now he he's converted to 756 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,980 Satoshi. So in the same way, you got to bootstrap it somehow. So 757 00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:33,090 we're bootstrapping with pod pain cloud. But the ultimate 758 00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:37,470 goal here is for everybody to run their own stuff. Yeah. 759 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,790 Everybody who run their own hive writer, which is the the section 760 00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:45,750 of the pod bean cloud code that writes to the hive chain. I 761 00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:50,640 mean, like, you know, any year from now buzzsprout, or 762 00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:55,080 blueberry or transistor or whoever hosts, they can just run 763 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,540 their own hive read or write directly to the, to the hive 764 00:53:57,540 --> 00:54:00,780 chain with their own keys, and it's in, they don't need 765 00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:01,740 anything else. 766 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,190 But it sounds like the company that could benefit from this the 767 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:08,520 most is his anchor. 768 00:54:09,690 --> 00:54:14,730 Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. For sure. And maybe, 769 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,450 maybe they'll maybe they don't care. But no, actually, usually 770 00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:24,780 one. I'll I'll take that back. I just take it back. Google is 771 00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:27,840 probably the company that can benefit from it the most because 772 00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:33,900 they run that humongous web server, web sub hub. And they 773 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:37,350 they're the ones that could probably stand to benefit a lot 774 00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:39,990 from that. Because they would get they need is the 775 00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:43,620 notification we they are there the benefit the beneficiary of 776 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:45,870 run and all that web sub stuff themselves and being the 777 00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:46,770 infrastructure that 778 00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:50,190 is that that web sub is open for everything, not just podcast, 779 00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:50,520 right? 780 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,310 Yeah. And one of the reasons is open for everything is because 781 00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:56,070 they want to they want it they want to see it. Yeah, yeah, of 782 00:54:56,070 --> 00:55:00,840 course. They want that traffic. And so if they could do This 783 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,990 essentially the same thing without having to run a web sub 784 00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:07,890 infrastructure. I mean, that's just nothing but a win for that. 785 00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:07,950 I 786 00:55:07,949 --> 00:55:11,459 don't know anyone over I don't it's a black box, man. I don't 787 00:55:11,459 --> 00:55:15,959 know anybody at any any Google position that that would know 788 00:55:15,959 --> 00:55:17,849 anyone in that area 789 00:55:18,509 --> 00:55:21,359 is still running on Larry page's bugs a Lego 790 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,460 must be. But that was a very good explanation. I completely 791 00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:29,670 understood that. And I especially appreciated the 792 00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:33,180 explanation of web sub and how inefficient it is for what we're 793 00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:37,290 doing. And the efficiency that this the pod pin brings to the 794 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:41,070 table is, it's just it wouldn't have been possible when we first 795 00:55:41,070 --> 00:55:44,130 started out. And it's really only possible it's really 796 00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:47,790 because of Brian of London. I mean, no one has been persistent 797 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:54,870 at getting a technology in. And yeah, makes sense. 798 00:55:56,460 --> 00:55:59,550 I'm just looking at my thing, I don't see a badge on here. I 799 00:55:59,550 --> 00:56:03,450 don't get a power badge. Oh, man, I feel sorry, for 800 00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:08,430 disappointed. I wish I would send you some hive, but it's all 801 00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:12,030 that's now locked up in hive power has been powered up trying 802 00:56:12,029 --> 00:56:19,619 to cut back on hive, this week, consuming too much. While we're 803 00:56:19,619 --> 00:56:28,139 on kind of the hosting side buzzsprout saw a post on podcast 804 00:56:28,139 --> 00:56:32,849 index dot social that they're going to allow people to enter 805 00:56:32,849 --> 00:56:37,949 the value tag. Valuable tag, anytime, oh, they're going free 806 00:56:37,979 --> 00:56:38,999 for free form. 807 00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:45,450 Yet, all you have to do is send their support a, an email and 808 00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:47,820 tell them you want to put some custom tags into your into your 809 00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:51,750 feed. And they will they will help you insert those into your 810 00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:57,030 feed. So you can put any of the experimental tags in there. So 811 00:56:57,030 --> 00:57:00,060 if you wanted to, yeah, if you wanted to put in, you know, I 812 00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:00,780 don't know, this 813 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,399 is like one free form? Or do you get off to go I have an account, 814 00:57:05,399 --> 00:57:08,429 I have to go look at it or do you get to enter a value block 815 00:57:08,429 --> 00:57:11,159 at a time? Because of course, if you're doing multiple value 816 00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:15,809 blocks in a free form box, a lot of room for error there. 817 00:57:16,349 --> 00:57:22,469 Do you see Do you have signal on your machine? I do? Sure. Okay. 818 00:57:22,469 --> 00:57:25,559 Let's see. Let me see. Thanks, cities t. This is the test feed 819 00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:32,879 that we have over there. You can see that Tom put the value block 820 00:57:32,879 --> 00:57:37,019 in for us. It's in? It's in our bus ralphie. 821 00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:41,190 And I got a view source because it brought up a beautiful, there 822 00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:45,750 it is. Yeah, playing in the sandbox. Nice. 823 00:57:46,139 --> 00:57:50,909 If you look at that feed on, if you look at that podcast on the 824 00:57:50,909 --> 00:57:54,539 index, picked it picked it right up, it's got the value block in 825 00:57:54,539 --> 00:57:59,819 it. Yeah. So this is this is a way people could put their value 826 00:57:59,819 --> 00:58:03,509 block in and not have to, you know, shim it or anything like 827 00:58:03,509 --> 00:58:06,059 that if they had like a complex blog that they wanted to do. 828 00:58:06,629 --> 00:58:09,569 They could take it just contact their support. Stick it in and 829 00:58:10,619 --> 00:58:11,399 ready rock. 830 00:58:11,730 --> 00:58:16,530 Very nice. Now. So the two there's two different recipients 831 00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:26,160 here. I don't even know what's in this. Yes, split. Okay, I see 832 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:32,820 lm, lm peg, it's 2%. And then whatever playing in the sandbox, 833 00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:35,700 whatever that LMP is. So how does podcast index? How do we 834 00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:39,630 get our 1%? If it's not in the block? We don't get it? Well, we 835 00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,540 only get it if people use our API. Right. Okay, so that the 836 00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:43,950 API spit to spit that out? 837 00:58:44,429 --> 00:58:47,669 Yeah, if you looked at that same feed in API, you would see the 838 00:58:47,699 --> 00:58:48,869 1%. And I love 839 00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:53,250 that so smart. Yeah, but I encourage anyone to anyone to 840 00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:57,330 put my note in there just for yucks. Just forget it's gonna 841 00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:01,230 become a thing man, like copy and paste, my node is here value 842 00:59:01,230 --> 00:59:01,650 block, 843 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,330 why not? You remember the whole share your opml service? Be like 844 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,280 it'll be a share your value blah service. 845 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:16,379 Could be an entire Oh, gosh, to lots of things, as my mind is 846 00:59:16,379 --> 00:59:18,809 just all of a sudden you said that. It's like, wow, a lot of 847 00:59:18,809 --> 00:59:21,779 different things you can do there. But this is great. So for 848 00:59:21,779 --> 00:59:25,499 people who make splits, which of course will it'll have to figure 849 00:59:25,499 --> 00:59:31,409 out how to do that. Very cool. Well, congratulations on a Thank 850 00:59:31,409 --> 00:59:34,559 you. Yeah, thanks Tom. And we rode their bus brought that's 851 00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,829 great. I really, I'm really hope we can get it more baked in as 852 00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:40,889 time progresses. So it's even easier for people especially 853 00:59:41,249 --> 00:59:42,629 editing splits, etc. 854 00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:47,369 They're legitimately really nervous about people just 855 00:59:47,369 --> 00:59:50,069 completely hosing their feed, you know, which makes sense 856 00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:53,249 because me mucking around that doesn't know what they're doing 857 00:59:53,249 --> 00:59:57,149 is gonna be you can just completely break everything as 858 00:59:57,149 --> 01:00:01,289 opposed to Lipson. I mean, I really admire The balls that 859 01:00:01,289 --> 01:00:06,149 lives in has to just be like, here's a box in the UI. Go for 860 01:00:06,149 --> 01:00:06,299 it. 861 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,240 But have you seen Have you seen any value blocks come through a 862 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,020 libsyn? Feed? 863 01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:16,380 That's a good question. I don't know. If I have or not. I can 864 01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:21,510 look at the database right now. It would be interesting to go 865 01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:24,900 through and see what stuff people have put in that box. If 866 01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:29,130 anything. It may just be crazy stuff. That doesn't there's not 867 01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:29,850 even a tag. 868 01:00:31,500 --> 01:00:34,620 Well, it's par for the course. Man. We got it. We have so many 869 01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:37,590 interesting people, right? How's Martin do it? Is he is he like, 870 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,940 I think his girlfriend took him back. took them away. took them 871 01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:45,240 away from us. He put a ring on it and it was all yeah, that's 872 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,360 exactly. That's right. Well, a pod friend is running as your 873 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,700 friend. Martin. Nah, I think he's gone. And the old ball and 874 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:55,500 chain pulled him down under. 875 01:00:57,150 --> 01:01:01,860 When you're when you're dating your gold. When you get married. 876 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:07,650 You're fine. But the in between time. It gets rough. Yeah, it 877 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:13,050 gets dicey in there, Martin. You got to have a date. Huh? Yep. 878 01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:17,040 Can't be way too long. Can't be doing any of that. You get a lot 879 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,880 of wedding planning. Damn. Well, days. 880 01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:27,000 I still love pod friend. I do. It's Tina. Tina's she's the 881 01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:33,840 she's the Maven man. She loves her pod friend. Yep. It's my go 882 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,110 to everything. She even stopped listening to the poor man on 883 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:41,730 video on YouTube. To now I like this app much better. Now, 884 01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:45,690 although it would be nice to have some video. And I'm going 885 01:01:45,690 --> 01:01:53,340 to broach another topic. Thanks to Alice gates for great, great 886 01:01:53,340 --> 01:01:57,420 article. He wrote podcasts in 2.0 more than podcast. Oh, yeah, 887 01:01:57,420 --> 01:02:00,210 that's such a good read very detailed in the show notes, of 888 01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:04,020 course. And just to let you know what what is kind of, he's a 889 01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:08,940 good writer. He is. I mean, it was as long as a Glenn Greenwald 890 01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:11,670 article, but I read this all the way through and enjoyed it, and 891 01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:13,500 what didn't want to kill myself at the end. 892 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,500 And he didn't, he didn't publish a video of him saying the exact 893 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,670 same thing that was in his article for 15 minutes. Very 894 01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:24,000 funny. 895 01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:31,860 So what we're where we're at now. Here, Mark Hall, is, you 896 01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:35,340 know, he's he wants to be the liaison with documentaries. He's 897 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,790 starting to get people excited about this. He's out talking to 898 01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:41,430 people and everyone is very interested, of course, they 899 01:02:41,610 --> 01:02:45,600 would like to see it. And we're kind of waiting for the 900 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,070 alternate enclosure for different bit rates to to be put 901 01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:55,860 in, I believe. I'm not entirely sure where we are with that. But 902 01:02:56,250 --> 01:03:00,270 I know the contents been uploaded. And detectives should 903 01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:02,850 technically should be good to go with uh, you know, once we do a 904 01:03:02,850 --> 01:03:06,690 value block, but maybe Alex can let me know where we're at. Or I 905 01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:08,670 think we're somewhere in limbo, and people are waiting for each 906 01:03:08,670 --> 01:03:12,330 other maybe. But I think the ultimate enclosure tag was 907 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:17,850 important. Now David Knight also wants to do video and he is 908 01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:24,390 David Knight is the guy who left info wars in after a a large 909 01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:29,310 disagreement. Oh, that's perfect for podcasting. Exactly. And but 910 01:03:29,310 --> 01:03:32,610 now now he's been kicked off Vimeo and YouTube was already a 911 01:03:32,610 --> 01:03:35,550 non starter and then I mean, if you're getting kicked off Vimeo, 912 01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:39,420 holy crap, and the guy is not controversial. He's outspoken. 913 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:44,010 But he's you know, and in fact he's he's gone against Alex 914 01:03:44,010 --> 01:03:51,120 Jones in in many cases. That's not podcasting tip on this Yes, 915 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:55,590 it is. Anyway, he desperately wants to wants to get this 916 01:03:55,590 --> 01:04:01,500 going. And yes, I'd love to be able to somehow come up with a 917 01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:06,180 way we can help these people that doesn't need all kinds of 918 01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:08,940 hand holding and attention especially from Alex because he 919 01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:11,280 seems to be the one that has to do most of the work on getting 920 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,300 the feet up and running. 921 01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:16,410 And looking at I'm looking at no agenda tube and I see killing it 922 01:04:16,410 --> 01:04:16,980 on here. 923 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,039 Yeah. Oh, okay. But But you can't get killing it in the in 924 01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:21,149 an RSS feed yet. 925 01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:28,169 Every I thought everyone I think everyone has an RSS feed by 926 01:04:28,169 --> 01:04:34,439 default. Oh, then it's not in the index. We can fix that right 927 01:04:34,439 --> 01:04:37,919 now. Shares maybe we're gonna get where do I get a fee? I have 928 01:04:37,919 --> 01:04:43,049 no idea. Give me a feed, give me a feed Alex. QR code and then 929 01:04:43,049 --> 01:04:48,629 help me embed net and help me. Here's the back end view source. 930 01:04:49,169 --> 01:04:55,679 It's like it's 1999 that's ended all hell is gonna break loose 931 01:04:55,679 --> 01:05:02,069 and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. Just a little filler. I cannot 932 01:05:02,459 --> 01:05:08,789 find an RSS feed. Now I don't think it's there yet. At this we 933 01:05:08,819 --> 01:05:13,139 will await I've got I'm gonna backdoor this thing I'm going to 934 01:05:13,139 --> 01:05:21,839 look for and see animated no agenda. Oh I saw just apologize 935 01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:22,109 for my 936 01:05:22,139 --> 01:05:25,739 yeah it's not quite as exciting as your possum goo story 937 01:05:25,739 --> 01:05:30,869 listening to find an RSS feed on a page. 938 01:05:31,409 --> 01:05:35,489 Okay, the video Okay, I see the format I can fix this. I think I 939 01:05:35,489 --> 01:05:41,099 can fix it. The Alex is screaming right now is at the 940 01:05:41,099 --> 01:05:42,419 bottom All right. 941 01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:47,550 Well anyway, while you're doing that there's one other person 942 01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:51,060 who has announced themselves actually through through her 943 01:05:51,060 --> 01:05:57,450 assistant Whitney Webb is looking deep into podcasting 2.0 944 01:05:57,450 --> 01:06:02,520 value for value. She totally wants to be prepared for 945 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,120 whatever deep platforming could come her way. She's doing some 946 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,920 incredible investigative journalism. Like really, really? 947 01:06:11,070 --> 01:06:15,090 I mean, even Dr. Peter McCullough, right now the hero 948 01:06:15,090 --> 01:06:20,880 of I would say, of the medical community at large, who is 949 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,220 saying, hold on a second, we have to treat people 950 01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:25,650 differently. And we may be making some mistakes and let's 951 01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:29,970 pay at least he's speaking freely. He says Whitney Webb is 952 01:06:29,970 --> 01:06:34,080 under some interesting stuff. And that guy, I mean, he's, 953 01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:37,980 he's, he has an infallible reputation. I mean, he's, he 954 01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:41,580 runs multiple science medical journals. I mean, he's, he's, 955 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:42,540 he's a big wheel. 956 01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,559 I think we get I got her faith fix the other day, but I don't 957 01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,949 see I haven't seen them put a value book and yeah, you know, 958 01:06:49,949 --> 01:06:51,599 they're going to use their own node or anything. 959 01:06:51,630 --> 01:06:54,600 That's what I'm waiting to hear. But also, I think she also does 960 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,150 video or wants to do video, either. Oh, 961 01:06:57,150 --> 01:07:01,290 cool. Yeah. Good to see the video stuff. Yeah, it's funny. 962 01:07:01,290 --> 01:07:04,890 Yeah. What's the alternative closure thing is going to be 963 01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:07,350 great because you can flip back and forth between video and 964 01:07:07,350 --> 01:07:15,240 audio. Ooh, even better. Yeah. Good. Okay, well, speaking of 965 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:22,500 that, why don't we now it's time first. Hot namespace talk. 966 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:28,890 Go ahead and boost us. Boost. No, no, we deserve it. That was 967 01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:33,660 a tight mix. Hey, when I boost that boost tight maybe. 968 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:39,929 Okay, by the way, just Google Curio caster. Just Just that 969 01:07:39,929 --> 01:07:40,859 word. All one word. 970 01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:49,080 Okay. It's see what I don't know if your shows the same thing the 971 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:49,770 man does. 972 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,200 Oh, hold on a second. I wasn't on Google. Of course. Why would 973 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,140 I use Google as a search engine? You know, I don't but I will 974 01:07:58,140 --> 01:08:05,310 here for this case. was right at the top? noodle guns firing? Oh, 975 01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:08,460 that's interesting. I wonder. I wonder how that an interesting 976 01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:12,420 pod friend is right under it. Damn, that's not bad. In that 977 01:08:12,420 --> 01:08:16,500 weird. That whole page. We own that whole page until the last 978 01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:20,520 result, which is something from here? 979 01:08:20,699 --> 01:08:23,729 No, no, the last result. Now this is weird. I don't know if 980 01:08:23,729 --> 01:08:26,549 your last result is the same as mine. But my last result is 981 01:08:26,549 --> 01:08:29,159 Jennifer Buchanan on Twitter. No, I 982 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:34,560 didn't get that. No, I got Episode 36. Crawling our life 983 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,770 away. It's interesting, creepiest crap. Okay. It is 984 01:08:40,770 --> 01:08:42,450 live. Change it again. I hear so. 985 01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,160 Alright, well, I've got the for phase three, I've got officially 986 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:53,580 formalized and in the XML, the tag tag document I've got 987 01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:57,060 trailers put up. So that was good to go. People can start 988 01:08:57,060 --> 01:09:03,900 using it. I'm working right now. Just going through the list. The 989 01:09:03,900 --> 01:09:11,430 next one will be license, then then alternate enclosure. I'm 990 01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:14,490 just writing them up. And you know, just taking, taking the 991 01:09:14,670 --> 01:09:19,680 the description that we used for developing it, and then writing 992 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:24,390 it into the formal document to the spec. Hey, 993 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,770 how about the value for about the value block? I mean, how do 994 01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:34,950 we handle that? Are we still waiting for swings to fix their 995 01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:37,470 whatever it is for the TLV records are released their new 996 01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:39,540 app or I'm just a little unclear. 997 01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:46,680 You mean to put it in the namespace? Yeah. I don't really 998 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:52,080 know what to do with that because it's still really 999 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:57,090 experimental. And I'm not sure if I mean clearly it's working. 1000 01:09:57,510 --> 01:10:00,540 But then we you know, we hear that well Maybe they're going to 1001 01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:05,370 change the keys and and go to the app. And what does that 1002 01:10:05,370 --> 01:10:09,030 mean? We're gonna have to change the tag. I don't know. 1003 01:10:11,190 --> 01:10:14,640 But how about I'd love for the at least get an understanding of 1004 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:20,790 the to V record because I see. I see pod station integrating it. 1005 01:10:23,010 --> 01:10:26,370 No, wait, it was it was Gilliam, who was integrating Hi. Yeah, 1006 01:10:26,370 --> 01:10:31,290 yeah. Yeah, he was putting to view records in, it just feels 1007 01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:35,280 like we're missing such an opportunity to meet, the loop is 1008 01:10:35,310 --> 01:10:40,170 okay. We haven't quite closed the loop yet. And that loop is 1009 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,190 actually very simple. I just want a timeline where i, where i 1010 01:10:44,430 --> 01:10:47,700 can see the podcast, maybe it's just the player. And then I can 1011 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:54,240 see the boost and the streaming activity. And that can be done, 1012 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,000 I believe, when we have these TLV records flowing from 1013 01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,330 everybody, are we we kind of dropped that standard breeze 1014 01:11:00,510 --> 01:11:04,650 gave it a good head start. And a lot of what they're doing can be 1015 01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:09,030 decoded. It's just such a shame, because you're not quite getting 1016 01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:11,550 that feedback with getting the SATs is great. But there's so 1017 01:11:11,550 --> 01:11:14,160 much more we can do with it and just feels like we're a little 1018 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,640 stuck. And again, how would How would you do that on 1019 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,060 your side? So let's let's just say that all this tlvs were 1020 01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:25,500 there? What would you go into some thing like balances 1021 01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:29,550 satoshis, or some command like that, and, and pull that to be 1022 01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:30,270 able to see it? 1023 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,950 Have you seen Satoshi start stream? They can get they can 1024 01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:37,890 get reports, they can get reports by chapter all kinds of 1025 01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:40,740 stuff. But how do you do it, if you're on a full node is what 1026 01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:45,870 I'm asking there on a full node. Someone needs to develop I mean, 1027 01:11:45,870 --> 01:11:50,280 there's someone needs to develop the develop the the analytics, 1028 01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:54,270 so they wrote that code themselves? Yeah, yeah. I mean, 1029 01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:58,020 if you if you go into the voltage node, and you click the 1030 01:11:58,020 --> 01:11:59,070 podcast tab, 1031 01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:00,960 and 1032 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,360 you open the console, you'll see that it's actually downloading, 1033 01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:12,420 I think 100,000 invoices, or maybe 50,000, I forget what the 1034 01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:15,300 number is. And of course, it's all relatively small amounts of 1035 01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:19,410 data, but that's each invoice comes in, then you can drill 1036 01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:23,460 down and in there is, you know, is each record that has some 1037 01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:28,290 information sent along with it or not. So, you know, that could 1038 01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:32,040 be a completely external program, I just export the data. 1039 01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:37,320 It works as as they're doing it, it's you know, it's literally 1040 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:45,000 that status being built in a browser. So they have they have 1041 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,040 the the payment information, kind of that that sine wave 1042 01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:55,200 graph, I guess. You can see how much you got on each day and the 1043 01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:00,870 hours in between, but you don't know what episode it was for? Or 1044 01:13:00,870 --> 01:13:04,740 what podcast if you have multiple? Or what time what 1045 01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:08,400 timestamp in the actual show that would be nice to see. 1046 01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:12,750 Oh, yeah, that'd be great. That we need to it'll be really good 1047 01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:15,030 to be at this Bitcoin conference because we can sit down with 1048 01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:17,640 Paul and those guys and just bang that out. 1049 01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:24,030 I'm just gonna Heckle everybody right Brian Gentry and Hey, hey, 1050 01:13:24,030 --> 01:13:28,800 hey, hey, lightning labs boy Hey. Come out in the middle of 1051 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,980 this random talk. Come on. The fees are so high man. We're 1052 01:13:31,980 --> 01:13:37,260 doing micro payments over here. Boy. We need to re record Hey, 1053 01:13:37,290 --> 01:13:37,830 he toy 1054 01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:43,620 there's three of us. I can wear t shirt. Pink we can the Code 1055 01:13:43,620 --> 01:13:51,960 Pink Congress get escorted out by the by the guards podcast. 1056 01:13:57,690 --> 01:14:06,780 Mic check Mic check. You know that Tina thinks I've lost my 1057 01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:10,770 mind up here. They're gonna regret staying at this company. 1058 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,270 lost my mind. 1059 01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:17,490 way it's just us just as 25 year olds with our lambos and now 1060 01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:19,980 these old dudes come in. No one has lambos 1061 01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:23,280 that's old man. No one does the lambos anymore. That's not cool. 1062 01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:30,540 Now you gotta be disheveled. Now neckbeard No, no, no, no. Just 1063 01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:34,980 lambos are out. The one guy I am very interested though. Justin. 1064 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:42,000 This is the end to end to guy. Oh, yeah. Okay. He's speaking. 1065 01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:46,350 Or he's on a panel. And I don't understand. I thought they 1066 01:14:46,350 --> 01:14:49,650 don't. Their apps. Not out. Right now. I have an app. Yeah, 1067 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,950 I know. I know. That's why I'm very interested. He has a demo 1068 01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:57,540 and he wants to show it to us. Okay. And what from what I 1069 01:14:57,540 --> 01:15:05,670 understand he To a forked Sphinx with an easylist has a different 1070 01:15:05,670 --> 01:15:10,560 interface I've no idea if he has the backend running. Okay, which 1071 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:17,160 seems like a lot but he has money too I know he's but he's 1072 01:15:17,190 --> 01:15:21,450 totally a Hollywood kind of guy comes from Hollywood. And he's 1073 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:28,200 he's trying to fit in well, they're they're not succeeding 1074 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:32,340 very well. They're using the API right? I have no idea. I have no 1075 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:32,790 idea. 1076 01:15:33,269 --> 01:15:36,029 Yeah, no, I know they are because they had trouble at 1077 01:15:36,029 --> 01:15:39,029 first their developer and and I helped him because there had 1078 01:15:39,419 --> 01:15:41,279 there's a there's a timing issue I think 1079 01:15:41,340 --> 01:15:45,960 you know what I need to do I just hit me Uh, I need to hook 1080 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,760 up gene with these guys. He should be consulting them Oh, 1081 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,450 how about that that's a good idea. I mean, they deserve each 1082 01:15:54,450 --> 01:15:59,700 other. Now seriously, Gene if gene I don't know if he has an 1083 01:15:59,730 --> 01:16:02,340 he's got some work now so I don't know if he can have more 1084 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:05,850 clients but gene would be able to help him with a lot of 1085 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:10,230 bullshit and they'd have him on the show to gene could do the 1086 01:16:10,230 --> 01:16:14,580 the internet and Gene could hang out with hot influencers Oh 1087 01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:18,180 yeah, that's a great match made in heaven boy Are we good here 1088 01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:19,710 Tick tock 1089 01:16:21,569 --> 01:16:24,269 tick tock boy 1090 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,340 into into because they've got they've got their apps on the 1091 01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:31,140 new page doesn't go 1092 01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:35,850 anywhere. There's nothing that is empty. I know what they're 1093 01:16:35,850 --> 01:16:42,630 doing something so that's cool. It's easy to it's easy to 1094 01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:45,690 discredit someone and I we shouldn't I don't want to 1095 01:16:45,690 --> 01:16:48,090 discourage anyone anyone who shows up for anything as long as 1096 01:16:48,090 --> 01:16:52,350 we're playing by some some genuinely agreed rules. Yeah 1097 01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:54,330 been an issues like come on in. 1098 01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:59,820 No, I love that. That's what cuz Stephen crater was reviewing he. 1099 01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:04,770 He's so helpful because he jumps in and reviews. Pull Requests. 1100 01:17:04,770 --> 01:17:07,740 He's just like, just all over the place, man. Thank you, 1101 01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:11,730 Steven. You're You're like, it's just awesome. Hold on, hold on. 1102 01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:19,800 Boost boost for Steven. We need to give him another clip we have 1103 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,570 to do around a set set spews SBU sets of people that that need 1104 01:17:24,570 --> 01:17:27,330 it. And I need to give another round of stats. Yeah, he 1105 01:17:27,330 --> 01:17:31,740 has node he has a node. Yeah. What he's gonna do ki Sebnem. Or 1106 01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:32,280 what do you do? 1107 01:17:33,090 --> 01:17:36,270 Kissing people by hand just to get because I didn't have a way 1108 01:17:36,270 --> 01:17:37,800 until now to do the tip jar. 1109 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:42,060 Right. So now I can do a tip jar. Love the tip jar. We do. 1110 01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:47,670 And in Curio caster, it's you can set it per podcast. I 1111 01:17:47,670 --> 01:17:54,420 believe you can set the the amount per podcast? I think so. 1112 01:17:54,510 --> 01:17:55,320 I think so. But 1113 01:17:55,740 --> 01:18:00,000 I put killing it. And it's in the it's in the index now. Right 1114 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,980 there. No agenda to thing. Right. So we should be able to 1115 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,540 see that in a pod in video podcast app. 1116 01:18:09,810 --> 01:18:15,240 Oh, okay. Well, this is exciting. is curious. Well, I'm 1117 01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:18,420 glad we're glad everyone's doing this on this audio podcast. 1118 01:18:18,810 --> 01:18:20,760 Right? What's it called? just killing it? 1119 01:18:21,870 --> 01:18:25,920 It's the index in the index or hasn't got it yet. it'll it'll, 1120 01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:29,370 it'll be up there in a few minutes. But it's the feeds in 1121 01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:31,440 there. The indexer just hasn't picked it up in the search yet. 1122 01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:37,740 Because it was a pod ping it not performed What the hell? No, 1123 01:18:37,739 --> 01:18:45,299 this is just the it's it's too complicated. You will Oh, wow. 1124 01:18:46,469 --> 01:18:58,409 Wow, okay. I'm sorry. The the SEO is search by feed. In 1125 01:18:58,409 --> 01:19:01,499 podcast index, I don't think No, I don't think so. You know, you 1126 01:19:01,499 --> 01:19:05,189 can if you put a Feed URL in the search box. Oh, really? Yeah, 1127 01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:10,409 it'll bring back the feed. Yeah, what could you get? Let's see 1128 01:19:10,409 --> 01:19:15,539 killing it. The law lady that's 1129 01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:18,330 all right. 1130 01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:21,360 I'm gonna I'm gonna have to stop you before people fall asleep. 1131 01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:26,100 This is how we normally talk on the phone. We'll just be like 1132 01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:31,680 quiet like mumble like little words. Okay, oh, oh, wait, wait, 1133 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:31,740 I 1134 01:19:31,740 --> 01:19:35,790 found it okay. It's called documentaries 2.0 for some 1135 01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:36,240 reason 1136 01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:39,930 Oh, yeah, that was that was decided upon, but it doesn't 1137 01:19:39,930 --> 01:19:43,470 show up on the thing. What shows it shows up here in a curio 1138 01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:48,900 caster bangu one episode but wait, I'm not getting any apps. 1139 01:19:50,010 --> 01:19:51,840 one episode hour and 36 minutes 1140 01:19:51,870 --> 01:19:56,670 all subscribe. We'll see if it shows up. Okay. Yeah, it was a 1141 01:19:56,670 --> 01:19:59,610 cool little film. film camera there. Nice. 1142 01:19:59,610 --> 01:20:04,320 Yeah. Yeah, that's it Oh, it's getting the documentaries 2.0 is 1143 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:10,050 the title of yeah of the feed? Yeah, but um, like so it says 1144 01:20:10,050 --> 01:20:13,290 documentaries 2.0 blood visual truth project projects. 1145 01:20:13,650 --> 01:20:16,740 But then the title of the video is killing Yeah, that's that's 1146 01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:21,240 the first one. I'm not getting any episodes in. In Curio caster 1147 01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,810 I don't know why. Okay, you're just sitting there. Yeah. 1148 01:20:25,710 --> 01:20:29,340 Okay, let's rename this podcast is searching crap on Google 1149 01:20:31,050 --> 01:20:33,600 no one else searching crap on Google searching crap on the 1150 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,540 index. Alright What else you got Dave? We can wrap this up I 1151 01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:40,140 think. Well hey, I'm looking forward to seeing you tomorrow. 1152 01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:43,350 Yeah, man, that's gonna be fun. It's gonna be 1153 01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:46,560 been like eight years since I've seen you. 1154 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:52,020 It's really been that long. Gosh. That long? Nice Seven, six 1155 01:20:52,020 --> 01:20:54,330 or seven? I think probably. Yeah, 1156 01:20:54,330 --> 01:21:01,590 it was like 2000 Oh, gosh, 14. Yeah, it's been a while. Damn. 1157 01:21:01,770 --> 01:21:06,570 Hope I recognize you. Yeah, yeah. Do we want to thank at 1158 01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:07,320 least one person? 1159 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,860 Yes, of course. Yeah, I'm sorry. This year. Well, we've been 1160 01:21:10,860 --> 01:21:15,150 talking so much this podcast, but also the value for value 1161 01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:19,170 nature. I think it's pretty late in this actual episodes, explain 1162 01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:22,140 what that is. You've probably figured out by now. But we 1163 01:21:22,140 --> 01:21:25,290 appreciate it when any kind of value can be given for the value 1164 01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:28,110 you get from it. Sometimes you're just a listener and you 1165 01:21:28,110 --> 01:21:31,320 appreciate the new apps and stuff that's being done and you 1166 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,780 want to support this movement really. And you can do that by 1167 01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:39,960 going to podcast index.org scroll down to the bottom hit 1168 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,630 the big red Donate button and we will take your cock box through 1169 01:21:42,660 --> 01:21:45,900 Pay Pal but you can also consider using pod friend Brees 1170 01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:51,240 Kira caster strings chat or the pod station browser extension to 1171 01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:54,480 send us satoshis in real time and boost us as often as you 1172 01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:54,720 want. 1173 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,580 I figured it's a short week since we're doing this on 1174 01:21:59,580 --> 01:22:05,730 Wednesday, but I figured I would at least read cow her Herbert's 1175 01:22:05,730 --> 01:22:12,630 note, and he'd gave us $100 Wow. Yeah, nice. And Kyle says I love 1176 01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:16,710 podcasting. 2.0 as a podcast and a project. Here's 100 bucks in 1177 01:22:16,710 --> 01:22:22,230 support. We're woodland he gets the shirt size. And he says the 1178 01:22:22,620 --> 01:22:25,740 the intergalactic boombox podcast. Oh, that's that's who 1179 01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,250 that is. Ah, okay. I've seen him on Twitter. He's been given us 1180 01:22:29,250 --> 01:22:36,030 some Twitter. Juice. Cool. Thank you, Kyle. I don't let me see if 1181 01:22:36,030 --> 01:22:39,990 I can print this. I don't have the I don't have it printed out. 1182 01:22:40,710 --> 01:22:41,670 So I can't crumple it. 1183 01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:47,340 I sorry. We'll just pretend. Yeah, I don't have any other 1184 01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:55,230 Crump Womack. Alright. Go ahead. Got it. I got there we go. And 1185 01:22:55,230 --> 01:23:01,860 that's it. That's it. Well, that's it. So he's so low. Now. 1186 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,970 We are early in the week. But of course, we'll do another episode 1187 01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:10,440 next Friday. Hope you all understand. Very excited to go 1188 01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:14,220 wave the banner and wear our T shirts and look ultra cool as 1189 01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:16,770 everyone whispers Oh my God. That's Dave Jones from 1190 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:21,510 podcasting. Next. podcast is the podcast index boys. You watch. 1191 01:23:21,570 --> 01:23:25,470 You watch Dave Jones. You watch? You have no idea. Yep. Things 1192 01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:31,020 like holy crap. No, it's true. Have you see? Okay, you'll see. 1193 01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:35,460 Members of the Board. All of you here in the in the board 1194 01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:38,310 meeting. I will take pictures there will be documentary 1195 01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:44,820 evidence of the start of danger. I'm not kidding. I'm not 1196 01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:48,300 kidding. I know. You're you watch you watch it. There's that 1197 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:52,860 guy that wrote the shitty PHP app that I use for 10 years. All 1198 01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:55,380 right, David. God, I can't believe he's here. I'll see. 1199 01:23:55,380 --> 01:23:59,250 Well, I hope you guys will have beers by the time I get in. No, 1200 01:23:59,340 --> 01:24:02,010 I'm sure we will. Okay, all the way down here. Alright, buddy. 1201 01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:06,840 Good talking to you Dave. And we will be back next Friday with 1202 01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:10,650 another board meeting of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org 1203 01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:11,670 we'll see you there. 1204 01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:32,040 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast 1205 01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:34,800 in this dashboard. For more information.