podcasting 2.0 for June 4 2021, Episode 40, Miami or bust?
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my friend on the other end. Mr. Dave Jones,
trying to figure out what did I read Alice gates blog post
tomorrow. Read it yesterday. Depends for Australia. They've
already read it. So it went out before he even wrote it.
Exactly.
Yes. So this is on the eve of Thursday. We are taping this.
Well. Basically, what a day and a half early. Because we're
going to Miami to the Bitcoin conference. Wait, actually stop
stop something very important. Historic, historic. Yes, as a
historic moment of conversion has happened. And this just came
in on the transom from Chad Ferro, I had to cancel my
recurring Pay Pal donation. Because I've been sending you
guys too many sets with pod friend. Keep up the great work
and go podcast. This is an important moment.
I have two thoughts about this. Okay. Thought number one. This
is awesome. Thought number two. Chad, there's no such thing as
too many.
I love this is and Chad, I want you to wear this title. This
this is something for you. You You are the first official
conversion. And you converted yourself from the cookbooks of
PayPal into the lovely value for value streaming satoshis. And
not only are we benefiting in this case, pod friend since you
are doing it from pod friend, the podcast index, and of
course, the podcast index 2.0. But we're taking that away from
PayPal. So the 3% that PayPal takes is gone. And you're
actually giving us more but it's appropriate to the value when
you are receiving the value from the show. The whole thing just
blows my mind. You're the first one. The first one to do it to
convert completely.
That is I was talking to Dan Benjamin today I talked to him
for like God that I talked to him for like an hour. Oh, cool.
Yeah, I reached out to him about pod paying. And then he's like,
hey, let's just catch up with this phone call. So we talked
for a while. And he was looking he was looking for he's actually
went off track and he was looking for something piece of
equipment. And I was like, well, I've got one of those. And he's
like, oh cool can like send it to me. Like, like, I need it.
You got it. And so ship it to me and I'll like pay you, you know,
pay you and also land now it's not a big deal. Don't pay me
just pay for shipping or something. And then I was like
wait, wait, wait, here's I got an idea. I'll send it to you.
And then I'm going to pay you just give me you're going to pay
me owned on strike. And we're gonna get you into the lightning
ecosystem. Nice and we're gonna we're gonna get you value enable
value enable a podcast where this is we're gonna onboard.
Yeah, Dan is gonna be the first to be completely onboard. He'll
do everything front to back even host your wallets. I'm sure if
anyone will do it, Dan will? Yeah, he's like myself.
He is he is so funny talking to him because he was like, he's
like I explained this pod ping thing to me. And I was like,
okay, so I gave him like a 45 second thumbnail sketch of it or
whatever. couple minutes long and he's like, yeah, okay, cool.
Do
you got what did he say anything about the the thing was Cuban
get resolved. Not that I ever expect that to launch from Cuba.
And by the way,
I did not ask. I did not ask him because I didn't want to crap on
his day. He was having a good day. You notice
how all that clubhouse and everything kind of died down? It
pletely imploded. Like everyone was like everyone was so giddy
about it. Oh, clubhouse calm and integrate my podcast with
clubhouse. Yeah, that that's that disappeared. It's the same
thing when Who was it that posted about Oh, there's a new
podcast. Mmm. format that will be better than Rs. Oh yeah.
cribben posted that, like, wow, what was that? I mean, it's so
well intended. But yeah, I mean, even even with good intentions
that just makes no no sense. Just look around you. Even if
you have all the like, cred in the world, like somebody, what's
his name? I'm losing his name now. The guy that did Jason
feed. Oh, for the brave guy. No, not brave. Did you get that news
wire? Oh yeah, he's buddies with Wiener. I know I feel horrible
about this. Yes, go ahead. I
can't I can't remember his name he ever called me they they
created JSON feed would couple years ago and like, even they
couldn't get over the hump. So I mean, the rest of the rest of
everybody needs to needs to just stop and close it that up. Did
they they're still around. Are they? No, no, they're still
around. Yeah, they're still around. Yeah, newer newswire is
going on. Jason feeds fine, but I mean, like trying to trying to
append RSS. It's just just it's not gonna work.
Why can I not remember his name? This is this is bugging the heck
out of me starts with a B, right? This is a I want to say
it's Oh, God. And I know people are yelling at their pot at the
app right now.
He worked for Omni. See, that net? I'm gonna look at net
Newswire net news wires.
Is it damn is it Dan something? I'm sorry. We really should
almost thinking of Dan make tough is where we almost should
Ranchero software. Yeah, I'm getting closer. Brent Simmons.
There you go. Yeah. That's it. All right. penny dropped this
nice. Listen, listen. Sorry, guys. Try to remember somebody's
name. This is real. This is really bad. riveting podcast.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And we're ragging on other people's
podcast. Series. I'm seeing a lot of a pattern though. Which
is quite nice. I'm seeing more and more podcasters reaching out
to me saying, hey, what exactly is going on with apple? And, you
know, we're so clued into it, we're so, so married to the
whole environment and ecosystem, that, you know, we knew we
smelled everything immediately. But this is kind of seeping into
podcaster land and people are very tired of, you know, of
their, their listeners saying, Hey, you know, it's not on Apple
podcast, or what's even worse, you forgot to upload it to Apple
man. Which Believe me as a podcast that you just you just
get really, it's really frustrating when someone says
that, like it's not me. It's not my fault posting companies. Of
course, it's still getting help desk calls about that. But I'm
even getting interview requests. Now. What's the latest one? A
blind guys, three blind guys chatting. I think. I saw that
email. I love that. I'm all in. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Of
course, of course. I said in July because, okay, now we're
leaving the move and everything. And it's just, there's just so
much happening. But, yeah, they noticed it and they're like, Oh,
hold on a second, this podcast index thing and I'm seeing
people started, you know, kind of start to hear about it and
hopefully, a lot more people will be talking about it. You
know, when we, when the three musketeers show their presence
at Bitcoin 2021 straight from the podcasting, 2.0, Airbnb.
Three bedrooms, two bathrooms.
That as I was telling Dan, today's like, I asked him if he
was going to do any, like podcast conferences or anything
now that they're kind of starting this stuff back up
here. And he was like, I don't know, what do you you know, we
didn't do anything and that kind of thing. And I said, well,
we're going to the Bitcoin conference in Miami this
weekend. He was like, Oh, that's no, okay.
I know. Mo was also jealous like crap. I wish I could go. Oh, did
you want to go? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I've been I've been
pushing him so hard. I said, Hey, man, we're always talking
about you know, getting a piece of it. Here's the opportunity
read the book of black busted black, black America and
Bitcoin. This is this is very interesting. Yeah, he's, he's
all into it. You know, he's, he's got his email list yet. No,
he's was he mo has seen so many different great investment
things that by the time here's his rule of thumb, just when
they hear my barber talking about it, you know, the
importance of a black barber shop. You know, that's really
that's really the news network. To the minute I hear it there
and like, Alright, a whole bunch of people gonna get screwed.
Usually around the time when they pull the rug out. So he's
been very wary of that. But I said, hey, look, I just show you
what I'm doing. And you can you can do it or not. And he has,
you know, all the OFAC SATs that we get stay in there. We're just
building that up. And I think he just hasn't had the time to
really, he hasn't. He hasn't quite had that aha moment,
which, at least I think I've had when you really realize that Oh,
man, what a difference it was, who really make and how
frightening it will be for the established order and what a
fight we're in. And it could be it could last six months ago,
last 60 years. I don't know.
I don't know which one. This is gonna feel off the wall. But I'm
gonna throw it out there. So have you seen the I think it's
called the more act the marijuana thing? No, I think so.
Let me look this up. It's the it got. I think it got approved and
in the house. I think it passed the house. We'll see more,
more active 2020 reinvestment expungement act. Yeah, yeah,
decriminalize marijuana.
And expunge is all the all the, you know, criminal records for
people who really love drug war. Yeah. So the language goes
pretty far. The language is it goes beyond just saying, okay,
here's what's going to happen. It also makes a lot of
statements about the failure of the drug war, and how much it's
messed up people's lives and that kind of thing. So, I
started thinking, you know, here we've had a drug war that has
ruined people's lives for going on. What 70 years. Sure that
fair or longer?
Why don't we just why don't we Why don't just go back to the
war on drugs, which was Nancy Reagan. Was that not Nancy
Reagan? Yeah, yeah, that was a sense. That's right. Yeah. So
let's just take it from there.
Okay, so I'm thinking all the way back to like hemp.
Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, of course. And, yes, a lot of
the same people for similar reasons. hemp was the Hearst
Corporation mainly didn't want that cheap paper stock. It just
invested in all kinds of forestry in South America. And
of course, you could use it for fuel. Also very annoying. Very
annoying. Yeah.
So you have the hemp banning. And then you have the whole
reefer madness era. I guess that was in the 60s. Right. Or that
the 50s. That was 50s. Yeah, that was really early on, I
think. Yeah. Okay. So you've, you've kind of hit you've had
this marijuana war for? Let's just say minimums, or reefer
madness was 1936 36. Okay. All right. So let's just say 80
years, rough, B, of marijuana, demonization. And then all of a
sudden you have this switch over the last decade really, where
states are beginning to loosen up and states are
decriminalizing marijuana. And I think I think there's like 17
states that have decriminalized, and then you have 30, like 36 or
so states. 30 something states who now have some form of
marijuana, medical marijuana bill, even Alabama, my state,
Alabama has a medical marijuana bill now, right? I mean, I
thought I was going to get the floor with them. I was aghast.
And so I'm thinking about all this, reading this act and
reading the government saying how, how wrong their own actions
were. In light of what they thought at any given time over
this 80 year drug war. And I'm thinking, Okay, how can we trust
any of their predictions at all? Just look at Bitcoin or
currency. Look at the wins. Okay, so now, you know, I see a
thing like, this is the way my mind works. I see a thing. This
is, Oh, my God, we messed up. We screwed up millions of people's
lives over an 80 year period. And we're sorry, we made a
mistake. And then, then I see somebody like Janet Yellen come
out and say, Hey, don't worry about that inflation. It's only
temporary. And I'm like, Oh my god, somehow indeed. Yeah. How
in God's name is anybody supposed to trust you after
this? epic epic screw up? You're in shafting of the American
people for 80 years and then like your then you know, okay,
don't worry about that. Just wait, trust us we know what's
going to happen in the economy six months from now please
believe us.
Well, I'd like to address those in reverse order. What you see
with Bitcoin with the the so called wild swings in shirt
10 15% that's that's lurching. That's a free market, that's a
market that has no circuit breakers has no temporary halts
no 15 minute trading halt it trades 24 hours a day, seven
days a week, anything that's happening in the world can be
reflected in that price. Whereas everything regulated by a Janet
wall, generally not by the fed by the SEC, or decided by the
Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen is all controlled. I
mean, it's it's and to some degree, you need that for public
equity markets, you know, people have to have to have some kind
of, you know, for the for long term investors and Joe with the
Joe with the paycheck. But really, and I haven't read that
bill is the US dollar in particular, it's all about drug
money. Everything is about drugs, the whole banking system
is all about drugs. The average United States citizens spend
more on drugs than on on on oil products on gasoline.
And you're talking about elicit and, and at this point, I'm
talking about both Yeah, cuz the two,
the two are inseparable. You know, that's the Sackler family
helped bring oxy in. But heroin has been a thing for as long as
long as I've been alive. It's just, you know, and look at the
military industrial complex. Again, it's financing wars. And
where does it come from Afghanistan, through Pakistan,
and ultimately, through Mexico, it's all it's all about the
whole. I'm convinced that during the so called great rachet,
recession of 2008 2009, that if we hadn't had the drug economy,
we really would have had a problem that we were saved. Yes.
Yes. And we're in an all the banks are in on it. They're all
money laundering worldwide. And here is this very annoying
Bitcoin thing. bog wait a minute is supposed to use our money.
Our money for the drugs? Not this thing? No,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's the big problem. And then, of course, if everyone
really starts to get on board, and if one central bank says,
We're gonna mined Bitcoin, it'll be a black hole hole, it's just
gonna suck everybody in no one. No one. It's all about trust,
right? It's all it's just an illusion. And I would be very
sad because it doesn't mean the United States is going to get
any better from it when he went, but it is the Petro dollar is
the problem.
That brings up the thing that Dan was talking about today. He
said, you know, the only thing that he said the only thing that
bugs me about Bitcoin is just the energy consumption. And so
would you set him straight? I hope? Yeah, I guess I did. I
mean, I guess I did my best. But what I what I told him was, you
know, the misunderstanding here is that bit Bitcoin can operate
at any hash power. Yep. The full the full network of Bitcoin in
the way the protocol works, can work. If just just go back,
rewind, rewind the clock to
you were mining, but go go back six years?
Yeah, 678 years. And you're you could mine on a single crappy
video card or even your CPU. And you could do fine and still work
the whole. Yeah, and it still worked fine. We're perfectly so
even if let's just say that the government that governments
around the world say, okay, we cap Bitcoin at X number of
megawatts, per you know, whatever day, it'll be fun.
It'll operate just like it would normally there. That's not that
lowering the hash power and the energy usage does not change.
It'll take what is it like two weeks or 10 days or something
like that for the difficulty rate to drop to compensate. And
then everybody's back back around. And it's same level.
Also, mining in particular, is actually usually quite green, if
you want to call it that. China using hydro power, increasingly,
and in Texas, that we have a boom going on here. Great
American mining company think that's Marty bent. They're
packing up. Miners in shipping containers moving into the gas
field, converting the methane gas that's normally flared off
into energy, which is completely on demand up or down and then we
have except when it freezes, we have have phenomenal wind power
in Texas. And actually, we have too much. And when you have too
much power coming out of you can't just shove it into the
grid. So you need to either start shutting down windmills,
or Wouldn't it be cool to have a load? Yes, you can have a
constant load from mining. So there's it's but yeah, it's just
one of those things put out one of those big ones. When I've no
idea what you're what you're seeing now, is Elan musk. And
what's the say? Or what's his name? The The, the hedge fund
guy. Tell the micro strategies, dude, that guy. Yeah. You know,
not just sailor Mike. Yeah, so they're trying to do like, Well,
you know, we'll have we'll mark these bitcoins if they've been
done with coal and eff off.
Anyway, yeah,
we don't want to get too far off the topic. Other than that, what
is and this is the reason we're, we're and by the time you're
hearing this, we're in Miami. The reason we're here is because
we are the use case for lightning, that is, is making
everyone pay attention. This is a real world value exchange.
And, as far as I can tell, especially with the micro
payments, it's unique, unique of its kind. And so this shows
people what can actually be done and we have success. We have
continuous payments flowing 24 hours a day. And conversions
like Chad, we're proselytizing. Yes. Yeah, we got and we got
handsome t shirts to wear to
you Oh, yeah, the T shirts. The T shirts came came in that Eric
Got him. So we'll be getting those figured out for shipping
out and stuff too. But I want to hear your thing that you never
explained last time your theory on the Bitcoin crash?
Oh, it was a I learned that this was a classic wycoff
distribution strategy. And spell it spell it? How do you spell
WYCOCKOF? I believe wycoff. There's, I think there's a wiki
page for it. And, and I didn't see this by myself. But I used
to day trade. And so I do know a lot about the patterns. I'm a
very there's a technical day trader, not so much on long term
patterns. But I certainly understand them and can
comprehend what's going on. But what happened with Bitcoin was a
perfect overlay of this strategy, which I think was
created in the 1920s. This guy white, I think was Paul wycoff.
He said, Richard, Richard wycoff, close, Paul, Dick Perry
says chip, he said if you can manipulate the market enough the
price, which means that you can do that with high frequency
trading these days, if you can, if you can manipulate the price,
and you do it in this pattern, where you give people optimum
confidence and a drop down. I mean, you overlay that with the
Bitcoin, quote unquote, crash. I mean, it's almost perfect with
Elan musk being the tipping point with the with the twofer,
as called for in the model. The first one is, you know, SNL
Dogecoin is a scam that started to hurt. And then the next one
was no Tesla not gonna take your Bitcoin. And then he doubled
down with is not green enough to too much energy consumption. And
that basically ended the whole strategy with wanting to all
people are completely short to and they could make money on the
way up and on the way down. And it's a it's a well known
strategy. And if you overlay those two charts, it's almost
identical. So this was wall street who came in, and they
left a calling card. Hey, kids, we're here. And we're for real.
So in a way, I'm kind of delighted because this was
something completely different from previous that dips, I
think.
Okay, so this Yeah, this is the new the accumulation phase, the
distribution phase, the correction. Oh, yes, they go.
Yeah, see if you can track this you make you make your money on
the way up, and then you flip and you make your money all the
way down?
Yep. And make no mistake, there's something still going on
with GameStop. And yeah, that's weird, too. They've had, of
course, it's a real war. Now. The hedge fund guys are screwing
each other. This isn't just GameStop kids now this is
something new going on here. Now. Now. Now they're eating
each other. And someone's hurting really bad. The Reddit,
the Reddit guys showed them the new the new way to do it. And
they were like, oh, we'll just stick that in our in our tool
belt here. Right.
Yeah. So that's a that's a okay. AMC GameStop both up like 3020
points. Had halts. Trading halts.
Yes, there was something similar On a internet stock to somebody
game sent me today and a buddy of mine. He's like, if you heard
of this stock, it's up like 300% today.
Yeah, I get it now again, get in now. Now's the time to go.
Anyway. It'll be interesting. There's a number of people are
presenting on our behalf actually, Ryan Gentry will be
doing a bid on us. And I think Gary from Graham's or Gary
Graham from voltage, and I'm sure Paul will be there from
Spinks and it's gonna be quite cool.
I feel like a poser because I don't know anything about the
way the Bitcoin Core software itself works. I know what the
protocol looks like, but I don't know. I've never done any kind
of hacking around on any of the Bitcoin Core protocols or
lightning day for
you don't understand, bro. You're a rock star. Like that's
Dave Jones. podcasting.
No. Give me a break. He's that T shirt. Oh, hold on a second.
Here's your cue to boot. That's right, everybody. You want to I
have to say you're boosting is making me blush.
I've got
speaking of banning use cases for things. I want to I want to
address some pod ping misconceptions. Okie dokie. That
via podcast Insider. with Mike Dell. Ooh, we got clips. I'm
liking this. Like I got five clips. Oh
my goodness, Dave. You are developer? husband, father.
podcaster. Ladies and gentlemen. What? What can this man not do?
rodent removal specialist. possum. possum goo cleaner, huh?
only like two of those things you listed are things I actually
want to do with my life. Okay, so, pot. I've got five clips
here from the podcast insider show, where Mike Dell was
talking to Angela, who's the CEO of blueberry. And now I want
they're talking about pod paying. And they would just sit
there. They've completely misunderstood it. So this is
this is my Yeah, this is this is going to be but um, but I'm
glad. Because it helps to see these things be misunderstood
and give an opportunity to correct them. And then go
through these piece by piece and i don't i will say up front. I
don't hold anything. I don't I'm not offended or hold anything
against them in any way. Because I think this is these are just
natural misunderstandings.
Do I still get to make jokes and laugh about it? Whatever.
They're saying? Oh, hell yeah. Okay. By the way, this is
fantastic. I love this real time. You know what, back in the
day, what I've seen between developers and how things are
understood, it'd be PC posts. A PC completely missed the whole
point. And people get in, like me not email form or email list.
email list. And this is so beautiful, where it's like, oh,
they actually explained what they thought we could all hear
it straight from their mouths. And now we can help them come
closer to what we think it is.
Yeah, and we can now we can show the light. Okay, so pod ping
one.
So something that might help solve that is things like this
next thing, we're
going to talk about pod Ping. It's similar to web sub, and the
old ping service that Apple used to run. And it's another
initiative of the podcast index people. And it looks like it has
some potential to help in certain cases. But as you and I
were talking about before the show, it also seems like unless
the big guys pick it up, how useful is it going to be? And
you know, how much effort do we want to put into it? Okay,
I just want to say the podcast, the podcast index, people,
please in future just referred to us as the pod people, okay.
Just take it, take it all the way home. It's gonna happen
anyway. So the pod people yes. Okay. And so that's interesting.
He so when he says the big players as you mean, apple, or
Spotify?
I'm not quite sure. Fill in the blank. I think so that and
that's my first that's my first issue with this is, is I want to
say Mike, you are the big guys. We are the big guys. The
podcast, the indie, the independent podcast industry. is
the big guys. Your your, your mistake is looking at it as if,
as if you are the squishy middle, and you're surrounded by
the big monstrous guys like apple, Spotify, Google, all
these other guys, that's that's not true. The Independent
podcast industry drives the entire ecosystem in the whole
show. So what what we do, all of us is how these things happen
and move forward with, we need to stop waiting on us to make
technological developments. Until these mythical big guys,
elephants get on board with things. That's just that, that
is the type of thinking that gives away your strength and
gives away your power. So that that's, that's more of just a
philosophical thing. I heard that. And I'm like, No, I don't.
That's I don't want to wait on any quote unquote, big guy to do
anything. I mean, like, Why? Why would we ever wait on them?
Because they're not going to do it anyway. So well done, sir.
It's a big boardroom today.
At the boardroom goes crazy. You're so right. And we also
drive features. We drive innovation. And it's always been
that way. Well, except for the 10 years that I would do on
something else. 10 years ago, you came back saying no, the 10
years that Dave and I were studying this crap with all
kinds of failed ideas. But you're absolutely right. We
drive it and and even more so today. And it's working this
this campaign of, Hey, why don't you? Hey, listeners, once you
tried a new app, it'll still work. Go to new podcast apps
calm. Now whenever. whenever I can, I'd like to tweet I tried
to do a round robin was like, if I'm going to tweet something out
for an episode I'll do now that breeze has has shared links at
the at the admin episode level, I think now. Yeah. I'll do that.
Or sometimes a pod verse clip. I just tried to use something from
everybody's, you know, whatever app I have handy from the
strength. Yeah. And just because then when someone clicks on it,
they get an experience. You know, I was like, Oh, hold on a
second. Like, pod verse has web and app. It's interesting. But
even even the pod friend, Curio caster, you get a link like
that, like, Oh, shit, this, what is this? I have an app now all
of a sudden, it's just running.
Yeah, I love I love getting a good clip at a pod verse. And
then you can just shoot it around all over. That's where I
got all these clips from. Okay, so that's the philosophical
thing. But the technical stuff. piping to Yeah, this is, you
know, when you think about it, there was already a ping
protocol that dates back to like 2001 2003, that was used for
writing pages and letting other sites know, I'm trying to
remember what that service was called back. And it's still
around. And actually, when we use our power press plug in, you
can go into tools, and you can click a button and it adds those
pings services to your power press site. And they don't
require you to have an account or password. It's pretty privacy
geared way ahead of its time when you think about it.
Oh, so he's kind of thinking you do this at an individual level
and not from the host level?
Yeah. So the whole the, when you listen to these clips, you
understand that they're misunderstanding the nature of
pod pain of what it is. They're thinking it apparently, and I
reached out to Mike, to see if I could clear up some of this
stuff, but I hadn't heard back from him. But they're evidently
thinking that this is just sort of like a track back or a ping
back, one to one like a WordPress type deals as opposed
to an open, accessible and writable blockchain format that
anyone can that anyone can ping their pod to.
Yeah, and the other thing that compare it to is the app, the
old Apple, it was called ping podcast. Did you What was that?
That was? And it was, well, it's, it was exactly what they
think this is, which is, you would the hosting company would
send a paying a get request or some form. I don't know if it's
a post or what format it took directly to Apple to let them
know that a feed had changed. And they would get back a
response. Well, they dropped they they killed the ping
podcast service. And I think they replaced it with the lookup
API or something. They replaced it with some other API, but it
doesn't work the same. So you can't, you can no longer notify
Apple that a feed has changed and forced them to date and then
respond and go poet, but that but that used to be a thing you
could do. The thing here again, is it's just you pinging apple.
It doesn't Yeah, it doesn't help me, it doesn't help the rest of
the ecosystem now. Right, right. Okay, so putting three that way,
and then web sub came, which is great because it solved the
issue where we wanted to distribute the updates in a way
that only the people that wanted to get notified would get it,
and then they would redistribute those notifications. Okay, so
web sub, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna out, I've realized that
I've not done a great job of outlining the issues with web
sub, and I'm going to try to finally do this, because in a
coherent way, if web sub is in I'm not sure what he means he
says the word redistribute here, and I don't, I don't really
understand what he means in this in the context, because I don't
think he's applying that term correctly to webs protocol. But
but I think I understand what he means he just said it in an odd
way. The problem Problem number one, with with webs up is that
it's only for servers, you have to have a server online, all the
time waiting for the hub, to send you a notification to tell
you that a feed has updated. So the way this works is a feed a
podcast feed is tied to quote unquote, tied to a certain hub
is within the feed. It has a tag in there an Adam link tag, this
specifies what the web sub hub address web address is. Four
that that handles that feed is a when you aggregate that feed
when you read it and parse it out, you see the hub, and then
you subscribe to the hub, giving it the the URL of that feed and
say I want to be a hub, I want you to notify me anytime this
thing changes. Okay. The hubs is more like a relay. Really? Yeah.
So the hub then responds to you and says, with a challenge, and
says, Are you, you know, are you sure that you are the web hook,
are you the server that wants this notification, and it gives
you a challenge code, and you have to respond to that
challenge. It's like a three way handshake. That's, that is to
specific, specific, void to Yeah, and, and even more
specifically in Spam is to stop reflection DDoS attacks, right?
So that you could, you know, like, you could sign up
somebody, you start subscribing somebody else to a whole bunch
of right web sub traffic that they didn't ask for. So that is,
that is the way the process works. So if you pass the
subscription challenge, you get a seven to 15 day subscription
period. After that seven to fit, you have to, you have to hold on
to that you have to remember where it tells you how long it's
you have to add, you asked for it. And then it tells you in
response, this is how many days this script is going to last.
You have to you have to track that state. And be sure to re
subscribe to that feed at that hub, before it expires, or
you'll stop getting pings. The so then so then anytime a
publisher notified anytime of publisher of that feed, notifies
that hub that you're subscribed to that that feed updated in the
hub will send a ping. The critical part of this is your
hub receiver that you registered with the hub, your server has to
be online to receive the pings when they come in. And you have
to hit the challenge to return the challenge
to receive and to re subscribe. Yeah, you have to be constantly
re subscribing.
Is there also a timeout on the on the ping side that that if
you don't ping for let's say 15 days that then you get a new a
new ID and a new or does it always remain the same on that
hub?
You know, that's an issue. I've never looked at the publisher
side of it. So I'm not sure that's the question. That's a
really interesting question that I don't know the answer to. I'm
shocked Don't be shocked myself. Boost myself for that. So that's
Problem number one.
You totally need some sound effects on that side, brother.
Yeah,
I know. You don't want to give me that power. The. So that's
Problem number one, that's, that's the traffic. Look at all
that traffic that has to go back and forth in order to make in
order to set up a scenario where your server can be notified. But
only if it's all online and ready and waiting to receive it,
then you have to make sure you have entries that you go back
and re subscribe on time. Yes. And like I said before, so we
were doing all that basically, we have a server, we have one
server that does nothing but resubscribed web sub all day
long. Because every one of anchors feeds, of which we have
1.6 million in the index is web sub enabled. It's a nightmare.
And so that yet, he is correct when he says that web sub is a
great is a great idea. And it does democratize some of the
subscription stuff. But at scale, it completely falls down.
So that's that's Problem number one. Problem number two, is more
simple is just the fact that not everybody supports it. I mean,
there's big hosts out there like Lipson, a cast, fireside, they
don't, they don't support web sub. And part of it and I was
talking to Dan today about this is simply the fact that you have
to run a hub, if you want to, you can run a hub and such and
potentially send out, I don't know, 500 webhook calls every
time somebody updates their, their podcast. Now you could
leech off of the public Google server, which a lot of people
do. It misses a lot, though, it really misses a lot. It's
overloaded, it's overloaded, because it's free, you know. And
then super faders, not free. It's a paid service. So, you
know, that's, that's Problem number two. Problem number three
is the fact that it does not allow for anything other than
just pure lead change notifications. It's limited in
its scope. So if you ever wanted to put something else into web
sub, like a some sort of other push notification, like we've
been talking about with a live streaming started, stuff like
that, there's you can't, there's no facility, facility. So that
is the problem with websites that they were trying to solve.
And you can play good play for piping for this pod ping is just
another version of the older style Ping. And it doesn't have
at least from what I was looking at the documentation and way of
redistributing the updates like web sub does. So it's kinda it's
a step backwards. Obviously, it helps that whole initiative with
podcast index and helps build their business empire. But
that's just another layer the onion? Yeah, hold on a second.
Dave. I'm just gonna open my check. This is Empire. It's got
to be one of those big checks, because that's the giant Yeah,
the Publishers Clearing House check otherwise doesn't count.
Yeah, we don't we don't read anything less than seven digits
at this point. Okay, so that's clearly he's just
misunderstanding he, he's, he's saying that, that pod paying is
like the old Apple paying service where, where everybody's
just sending us their updates. Alright, couple of things.
Number one, the pod ping cloud service. We're running it. But
it does. It's not it doesn't touch our infrastructure at all.
It it shares absolutely no infrastructure with podcast
index. It's all it's all running on its own set on its own set of
servers behind its own CloudFlare and all that stuff.
It's independent. Number two, it's it's open source. The repos
out there. You can go run your own server today with a you
don't need us at all. It's completely independent of us.
But the most important thing, though, is number go ahead and
play ping five. And it's got buzzwords like it's using
blockchain and blah, blah.
So Oh, yeah. I like the high road you're taking Dave, you are
much better man than I am.
So the The reason it's easy for me to take to not be irritated
by this kind of thing is because I get it. When you're when
you've been in it for the last 10 years. You've heard
blockchain so many times that you just want to barf. I mean,
seriously, okay. So I'm in the finance my day job. was in
financial services. And for the for at least five years, every
conference you go to it was there's gonna be three different
session breakout sessions on blockchain technology and how is
the future and we're all gonna lose our jobs and none like so
about two years ago that all stopped and nobody even mentions
it anymore. And the reason is because blockchain the old adage
is blockchain was a, you know, solution looking for a problem,
right? Well, so I get it, I understand what's my Yo, when
somebody tells knotty guy about blockchain, your eyes roll back
in your head, you're just like whatever. But there are some
legitimate use cases for blockchain. cryptocurrency,
obviously is one of them. Another Another one is lot
tracking. For things like let's just say pharmaceuticals or
food, food delivery, you want to be able to track lots on a
public ledger to for, that everybody can participate in,
there are a few, obviously clearly limited, that there are
a few legitimate use cases. This is one of those use cases. I do
think wholeheartedly that we have found a legitimate use case
for blockchain technology. And here's, here's, here's why it's
legit. It's the host, any host of a podcast, any podcast
publisher, sends a ping to a pod ping server. The pod ping server
just accepts that URL and writes it to the hive blockchain. The
Hive blockchain is public. At that point, anybody can see it,
you don't need a server to see it. All you need is a is a
script running on your computer, any computer a Raspberry Pi,
your work your windows workstation, a server in the
cloud, your phone, a web browser, anything can watch the
blockchain and see every URL that comes through and see which
ones need to be polled. see which ones need to have changed.
If your server, if you're running a server that needs that
is critical that you need to know which ones have changed,
like us, it's critical that we need to know when things change,
we don't want to miss stuff. So if I'm if I rebooted my web sub
server, I may have missed 40 web sub pings in that amount of
time. And I'll never know which which ones they were. In this
case, you can just go back into chain. Yeah, you I've got I have
our server set to to look back one hour of blogs. So anytime I
reboot the server, it starts one hour ago and replays all the all
the updates since then, and gets us caught up to write back to
current. That is something that web sub cannot do in any shape,
form or fashion. And the the other thing is, you don't it's
it's instant and global and free. Nobody has to pay. It's
completely decentralized.
Well, no, that's not true. It's permanent. And true. Brian of
London, I think is paid $8 million in hive coin or
something. He has high power. It's like Power Rangers. I have
power. I told I want to I want to make sure that he's not
taking money out of his pocket that we should be able to give
him some of the you know, I just don't want him to be paying for
all this.
Now I bought some hive. I now own hive your hyper hive. See I
can't give you any because I powered it all up. Dude, your
high powers How much does a little hive power costs
I got about the word crazy. So the way you do it is I did it
through a website called block trades. And the reason I'm
laughing is because it's it's just like hilarious the amount
of steps you go through. So I got on to Coinbase and bought
one light coin and then and then I got on the block trades and
set up an account there transfer your your your Litecoin to yet
like block trades sets, you give block trade your hive account
name and then it sets up a Litecoin receiver address then
you get on Coinbase and send your Litecoin
blockchain
and then you get in then it converts it into hive and
deposits it in your account and and bada boom bada bang, you've
got Have you got a cocktail? Yeah. And then so I'm on the
phone with Brian. And he says, Oh yeah, and don't forget to
power it up. And I was like what the hell is that? I like it. I
mean, I really like the sound of this but it's cool and it's
cool. He's like he said, you get a badge if you if you read up on
the first day of the ride, did you get your badge? I don't know
I checked it.
Oh, by the way if anyone wants to see pod ping in action and I
showed this to Dvorak and he I think he watches it hours a day.
pod paying I'm not kidding he's he's like oh my god What are you
guys doing? This is great pod ping dot watch. You can see this
updating in real time it's coming right off the blockchain
This was built this Steve yeah Steven crater Yep. Steven crater
and but you know, just it loads the the most recent 50 updates
and you sit there and just boom, boom, boom, they just come
flowing in. Live in real time. It's It's beautiful. And this is
now this is really all podcast if I'm not if I'm not mistaken,
right. Because you've you've jacked into we have or is not
nice. I turn that off. Oh, okay. So this is just buzzsprout RSS
comm
transistor transistor, captivate and candidate and, and fire
hose, fires fire hose, fire hose.fm. Yeah, fire fireside is
he's doing it now.
And all of this is just it's just, it is truly from, from the
perspective of hosting companies just adding one, one extra API
call to the process, right?
You know, that's not one thing. It's one GET request every every
time you feed rebuilds, or every time you publish a new episode,
it's one it's one call. And and on a technical level, it only it
all it 99% of the time, it returns a 200 if there's ever
anything that happens with like a failure on the blockchain or a
retry, and we take care of all that stuff, because the software
handles that internally. It just it just gives a 200 response to
the to the host like those never has to worry about any of that
stuff.
Well, the only the only thing I would say is any host that
doesn't do this clearly. Clearly just hates the earth. Yeah, I
mean, this is the greenest way to do podcast updates that I've
ever ever seen. Yeah, I mean, Mike
like effects. No, it's gonna it's gonna kill you. If they're
in Traverse City you got you got to get on board and climate
change.
And we need the WordPress plugin to be able to do this.
Yeah, so that's, that's port, port, whatever. I'm on 25 B or
whatever. So that's part of that is that we are just hosting this
thing to beat. You got to bootstrap it. So like, what's
Oh, gosh. The guy the car convert. Doug, Chad. Chad. Yeah,
Chad, Pharaoh, Chad. Fair. So Chad. I mean, we you gotta have
some Chad to help us bootstrap with some wisdom us, you know,
some cash. Yeah, cold hard cash. And now now he he's converted to
Satoshi. So in the same way, you got to bootstrap it somehow. So
we're bootstrapping with pod pain cloud. But the ultimate
goal here is for everybody to run their own stuff. Yeah.
Everybody who run their own hive writer, which is the the section
of the pod bean cloud code that writes to the hive chain. I
mean, like, you know, any year from now buzzsprout, or
blueberry or transistor or whoever hosts, they can just run
their own hive read or write directly to the, to the hive
chain with their own keys, and it's in, they don't need
anything else.
But it sounds like the company that could benefit from this the
most is his anchor.
Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. For sure. And maybe,
maybe they'll maybe they don't care. But no, actually, usually
one. I'll I'll take that back. I just take it back. Google is
probably the company that can benefit from it the most because
they run that humongous web server, web sub hub. And they
they're the ones that could probably stand to benefit a lot
from that. Because they would get they need is the
notification we they are there the benefit the beneficiary of
run and all that web sub stuff themselves and being the
infrastructure that
is that that web sub is open for everything, not just podcast,
right?
Yeah. And one of the reasons is open for everything is because
they want to they want it they want to see it. Yeah, yeah, of
course. They want that traffic. And so if they could do This
essentially the same thing without having to run a web sub
infrastructure. I mean, that's just nothing but a win for that.
I
don't know anyone over I don't it's a black box, man. I don't
know anybody at any any Google position that that would know
anyone in that area
is still running on Larry page's bugs a Lego
must be. But that was a very good explanation. I completely
understood that. And I especially appreciated the
explanation of web sub and how inefficient it is for what we're
doing. And the efficiency that this the pod pin brings to the
table is, it's just it wouldn't have been possible when we first
started out. And it's really only possible it's really
because of Brian of London. I mean, no one has been persistent
at getting a technology in. And yeah, makes sense.
I'm just looking at my thing, I don't see a badge on here. I
don't get a power badge. Oh, man, I feel sorry, for
disappointed. I wish I would send you some hive, but it's all
that's now locked up in hive power has been powered up trying
to cut back on hive, this week, consuming too much. While we're
on kind of the hosting side buzzsprout saw a post on podcast
index dot social that they're going to allow people to enter
the value tag. Valuable tag, anytime, oh, they're going free
for free form.
Yet, all you have to do is send their support a, an email and
tell them you want to put some custom tags into your into your
feed. And they will they will help you insert those into your
feed. So you can put any of the experimental tags in there. So
if you wanted to, yeah, if you wanted to put in, you know, I
don't know, this
is like one free form? Or do you get off to go I have an account,
I have to go look at it or do you get to enter a value block
at a time? Because of course, if you're doing multiple value
blocks in a free form box, a lot of room for error there.
Do you see Do you have signal on your machine? I do? Sure. Okay.
Let's see. Let me see. Thanks, cities t. This is the test feed
that we have over there. You can see that Tom put the value block
in for us. It's in? It's in our bus ralphie.
And I got a view source because it brought up a beautiful, there
it is. Yeah, playing in the sandbox. Nice.
If you look at that feed on, if you look at that podcast on the
index, picked it picked it right up, it's got the value block in
it. Yeah. So this is this is a way people could put their value
block in and not have to, you know, shim it or anything like
that if they had like a complex blog that they wanted to do.
They could take it just contact their support. Stick it in and
ready rock.
Very nice. Now. So the two there's two different recipients
here. I don't even know what's in this. Yes, split. Okay, I see
lm, lm peg, it's 2%. And then whatever playing in the sandbox,
whatever that LMP is. So how does podcast index? How do we
get our 1%? If it's not in the block? We don't get it? Well, we
only get it if people use our API. Right. Okay, so that the
API spit to spit that out?
Yeah, if you looked at that same feed in API, you would see the
1%. And I love
that so smart. Yeah, but I encourage anyone to anyone to
put my note in there just for yucks. Just forget it's gonna
become a thing man, like copy and paste, my node is here value
block,
why not? You remember the whole share your opml service? Be like
it'll be a share your value blah service.
Could be an entire Oh, gosh, to lots of things, as my mind is
just all of a sudden you said that. It's like, wow, a lot of
different things you can do there. But this is great. So for
people who make splits, which of course will it'll have to figure
out how to do that. Very cool. Well, congratulations on a Thank
you. Yeah, thanks Tom. And we rode their bus brought that's
great. I really, I'm really hope we can get it more baked in as
time progresses. So it's even easier for people especially
editing splits, etc.
They're legitimately really nervous about people just
completely hosing their feed, you know, which makes sense
because me mucking around that doesn't know what they're doing
is gonna be you can just completely break everything as
opposed to Lipson. I mean, I really admire The balls that
lives in has to just be like, here's a box in the UI. Go for
it.
But have you seen Have you seen any value blocks come through a
libsyn? Feed?
That's a good question. I don't know. If I have or not. I can
look at the database right now. It would be interesting to go
through and see what stuff people have put in that box. If
anything. It may just be crazy stuff. That doesn't there's not
even a tag.
Well, it's par for the course. Man. We got it. We have so many
interesting people, right? How's Martin do it? Is he is he like,
I think his girlfriend took him back. took them away. took them
away from us. He put a ring on it and it was all yeah, that's
exactly. That's right. Well, a pod friend is running as your
friend. Martin. Nah, I think he's gone. And the old ball and
chain pulled him down under.
When you're when you're dating your gold. When you get married.
You're fine. But the in between time. It gets rough. Yeah, it
gets dicey in there, Martin. You got to have a date. Huh? Yep.
Can't be way too long. Can't be doing any of that. You get a lot
of wedding planning. Damn. Well, days.
I still love pod friend. I do. It's Tina. Tina's she's the
she's the Maven man. She loves her pod friend. Yep. It's my go
to everything. She even stopped listening to the poor man on
video on YouTube. To now I like this app much better. Now,
although it would be nice to have some video. And I'm going
to broach another topic. Thanks to Alice gates for great, great
article. He wrote podcasts in 2.0 more than podcast. Oh, yeah,
that's such a good read very detailed in the show notes, of
course. And just to let you know what what is kind of, he's a
good writer. He is. I mean, it was as long as a Glenn Greenwald
article, but I read this all the way through and enjoyed it, and
what didn't want to kill myself at the end.
And he didn't, he didn't publish a video of him saying the exact
same thing that was in his article for 15 minutes. Very
funny.
So what we're where we're at now. Here, Mark Hall, is, you
know, he's he wants to be the liaison with documentaries. He's
starting to get people excited about this. He's out talking to
people and everyone is very interested, of course, they
would like to see it. And we're kind of waiting for the
alternate enclosure for different bit rates to to be put
in, I believe. I'm not entirely sure where we are with that. But
I know the contents been uploaded. And detectives should
technically should be good to go with uh, you know, once we do a
value block, but maybe Alex can let me know where we're at. Or I
think we're somewhere in limbo, and people are waiting for each
other maybe. But I think the ultimate enclosure tag was
important. Now David Knight also wants to do video and he is
David Knight is the guy who left info wars in after a a large
disagreement. Oh, that's perfect for podcasting. Exactly. And but
now now he's been kicked off Vimeo and YouTube was already a
non starter and then I mean, if you're getting kicked off Vimeo,
holy crap, and the guy is not controversial. He's outspoken.
But he's you know, and in fact he's he's gone against Alex
Jones in in many cases. That's not podcasting tip on this Yes,
it is. Anyway, he desperately wants to wants to get this
going. And yes, I'd love to be able to somehow come up with a
way we can help these people that doesn't need all kinds of
hand holding and attention especially from Alex because he
seems to be the one that has to do most of the work on getting
the feet up and running.
And looking at I'm looking at no agenda tube and I see killing it
on here.
Yeah. Oh, okay. But But you can't get killing it in the in
an RSS feed yet.
Every I thought everyone I think everyone has an RSS feed by
default. Oh, then it's not in the index. We can fix that right
now. Shares maybe we're gonna get where do I get a fee? I have
no idea. Give me a feed, give me a feed Alex. QR code and then
help me embed net and help me. Here's the back end view source.
It's like it's 1999 that's ended all hell is gonna break loose
and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. Just a little filler. I cannot
find an RSS feed. Now I don't think it's there yet. At this we
will await I've got I'm gonna backdoor this thing I'm going to
look for and see animated no agenda. Oh I saw just apologize
for my
yeah it's not quite as exciting as your possum goo story
listening to find an RSS feed on a page.
Okay, the video Okay, I see the format I can fix this. I think I
can fix it. The Alex is screaming right now is at the
bottom All right.
Well anyway, while you're doing that there's one other person
who has announced themselves actually through through her
assistant Whitney Webb is looking deep into podcasting 2.0
value for value. She totally wants to be prepared for
whatever deep platforming could come her way. She's doing some
incredible investigative journalism. Like really, really?
I mean, even Dr. Peter McCullough, right now the hero
of I would say, of the medical community at large, who is
saying, hold on a second, we have to treat people
differently. And we may be making some mistakes and let's
pay at least he's speaking freely. He says Whitney Webb is
under some interesting stuff. And that guy, I mean, he's,
he's, he has an infallible reputation. I mean, he's, he
runs multiple science medical journals. I mean, he's, he's,
he's a big wheel.
I think we get I got her faith fix the other day, but I don't
see I haven't seen them put a value book and yeah, you know,
they're going to use their own node or anything.
That's what I'm waiting to hear. But also, I think she also does
video or wants to do video, either. Oh,
cool. Yeah. Good to see the video stuff. Yeah, it's funny.
Yeah. What's the alternative closure thing is going to be
great because you can flip back and forth between video and
audio. Ooh, even better. Yeah. Good. Okay, well, speaking of
that, why don't we now it's time first. Hot namespace talk.
Go ahead and boost us. Boost. No, no, we deserve it. That was
a tight mix. Hey, when I boost that boost tight maybe.
Okay, by the way, just Google Curio caster. Just Just that
word. All one word.
Okay. It's see what I don't know if your shows the same thing the
man does.
Oh, hold on a second. I wasn't on Google. Of course. Why would
I use Google as a search engine? You know, I don't but I will
here for this case. was right at the top? noodle guns firing? Oh,
that's interesting. I wonder. I wonder how that an interesting
pod friend is right under it. Damn, that's not bad. In that
weird. That whole page. We own that whole page until the last
result, which is something from here?
No, no, the last result. Now this is weird. I don't know if
your last result is the same as mine. But my last result is
Jennifer Buchanan on Twitter. No, I
didn't get that. No, I got Episode 36. Crawling our life
away. It's interesting, creepiest crap. Okay. It is
live. Change it again. I hear so.
Alright, well, I've got the for phase three, I've got officially
formalized and in the XML, the tag tag document I've got
trailers put up. So that was good to go. People can start
using it. I'm working right now. Just going through the list. The
next one will be license, then then alternate enclosure. I'm
just writing them up. And you know, just taking, taking the
the description that we used for developing it, and then writing
it into the formal document to the spec. Hey,
how about the value for about the value block? I mean, how do
we handle that? Are we still waiting for swings to fix their
whatever it is for the TLV records are released their new
app or I'm just a little unclear.
You mean to put it in the namespace? Yeah. I don't really
know what to do with that because it's still really
experimental. And I'm not sure if I mean clearly it's working.
But then we you know, we hear that well Maybe they're going to
change the keys and and go to the app. And what does that
mean? We're gonna have to change the tag. I don't know.
But how about I'd love for the at least get an understanding of
the to V record because I see. I see pod station integrating it.
No, wait, it was it was Gilliam, who was integrating Hi. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, he was putting to view records in, it just feels
like we're missing such an opportunity to meet, the loop is
okay. We haven't quite closed the loop yet. And that loop is
actually very simple. I just want a timeline where i, where i
can see the podcast, maybe it's just the player. And then I can
see the boost and the streaming activity. And that can be done,
I believe, when we have these TLV records flowing from
everybody, are we we kind of dropped that standard breeze
gave it a good head start. And a lot of what they're doing can be
decoded. It's just such a shame, because you're not quite getting
that feedback with getting the SATs is great. But there's so
much more we can do with it and just feels like we're a little
stuck. And again, how would How would you do that on
your side? So let's let's just say that all this tlvs were
there? What would you go into some thing like balances
satoshis, or some command like that, and, and pull that to be
able to see it?
Have you seen Satoshi start stream? They can get they can
get reports, they can get reports by chapter all kinds of
stuff. But how do you do it, if you're on a full node is what
I'm asking there on a full node. Someone needs to develop I mean,
there's someone needs to develop the develop the the analytics,
so they wrote that code themselves? Yeah, yeah. I mean,
if you if you go into the voltage node, and you click the
podcast tab,
and
you open the console, you'll see that it's actually downloading,
I think 100,000 invoices, or maybe 50,000, I forget what the
number is. And of course, it's all relatively small amounts of
data, but that's each invoice comes in, then you can drill
down and in there is, you know, is each record that has some
information sent along with it or not. So, you know, that could
be a completely external program, I just export the data.
It works as as they're doing it, it's you know, it's literally
that status being built in a browser. So they have they have
the the payment information, kind of that that sine wave
graph, I guess. You can see how much you got on each day and the
hours in between, but you don't know what episode it was for? Or
what podcast if you have multiple? Or what time what
timestamp in the actual show that would be nice to see.
Oh, yeah, that'd be great. That we need to it'll be really good
to be at this Bitcoin conference because we can sit down with
Paul and those guys and just bang that out.
I'm just gonna Heckle everybody right Brian Gentry and Hey, hey,
hey, hey, lightning labs boy Hey. Come out in the middle of
this random talk. Come on. The fees are so high man. We're
doing micro payments over here. Boy. We need to re record Hey,
he toy
there's three of us. I can wear t shirt. Pink we can the Code
Pink Congress get escorted out by the by the guards podcast.
Mic check Mic check. You know that Tina thinks I've lost my
mind up here. They're gonna regret staying at this company.
lost my mind.
way it's just us just as 25 year olds with our lambos and now
these old dudes come in. No one has lambos
that's old man. No one does the lambos anymore. That's not cool.
Now you gotta be disheveled. Now neckbeard No, no, no, no. Just
lambos are out. The one guy I am very interested though. Justin.
This is the end to end to guy. Oh, yeah. Okay. He's speaking.
Or he's on a panel. And I don't understand. I thought they
don't. Their apps. Not out. Right now. I have an app. Yeah,
I know. I know. That's why I'm very interested. He has a demo
and he wants to show it to us. Okay. And what from what I
understand he To a forked Sphinx with an easylist has a different
interface I've no idea if he has the backend running. Okay, which
seems like a lot but he has money too I know he's but he's
totally a Hollywood kind of guy comes from Hollywood. And he's
he's trying to fit in well, they're they're not succeeding
very well. They're using the API right? I have no idea. I have no
idea.
Yeah, no, I know they are because they had trouble at
first their developer and and I helped him because there had
there's a there's a timing issue I think
you know what I need to do I just hit me Uh, I need to hook
up gene with these guys. He should be consulting them Oh,
how about that that's a good idea. I mean, they deserve each
other. Now seriously, Gene if gene I don't know if he has an
he's got some work now so I don't know if he can have more
clients but gene would be able to help him with a lot of
bullshit and they'd have him on the show to gene could do the
the internet and Gene could hang out with hot influencers Oh
yeah, that's a great match made in heaven boy Are we good here
Tick tock
tick tock boy
into into because they've got they've got their apps on the
new page doesn't go
anywhere. There's nothing that is empty. I know what they're
doing something so that's cool. It's easy to it's easy to
discredit someone and I we shouldn't I don't want to
discourage anyone anyone who shows up for anything as long as
we're playing by some some genuinely agreed rules. Yeah
been an issues like come on in.
No, I love that. That's what cuz Stephen crater was reviewing he.
He's so helpful because he jumps in and reviews. Pull Requests.
He's just like, just all over the place, man. Thank you,
Steven. You're You're like, it's just awesome. Hold on, hold on.
Boost boost for Steven. We need to give him another clip we have
to do around a set set spews SBU sets of people that that need
it. And I need to give another round of stats. Yeah, he
has node he has a node. Yeah. What he's gonna do ki Sebnem. Or
what do you do?
Kissing people by hand just to get because I didn't have a way
until now to do the tip jar.
Right. So now I can do a tip jar. Love the tip jar. We do.
And in Curio caster, it's you can set it per podcast. I
believe you can set the the amount per podcast? I think so.
I think so. But
I put killing it. And it's in the it's in the index now. Right
there. No agenda to thing. Right. So we should be able to
see that in a pod in video podcast app.
Oh, okay. Well, this is exciting. is curious. Well, I'm
glad we're glad everyone's doing this on this audio podcast.
Right? What's it called? just killing it?
It's the index in the index or hasn't got it yet. it'll it'll,
it'll be up there in a few minutes. But it's the feeds in
there. The indexer just hasn't picked it up in the search yet.
Because it was a pod ping it not performed What the hell? No,
this is just the it's it's too complicated. You will Oh, wow.
Wow, okay. I'm sorry. The the SEO is search by feed. In
podcast index, I don't think No, I don't think so. You know, you
can if you put a Feed URL in the search box. Oh, really? Yeah,
it'll bring back the feed. Yeah, what could you get? Let's see
killing it. The law lady that's
all right.
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to stop you before people fall asleep.
This is how we normally talk on the phone. We'll just be like
quiet like mumble like little words. Okay, oh, oh, wait, wait,
I
found it okay. It's called documentaries 2.0 for some
reason
Oh, yeah, that was that was decided upon, but it doesn't
show up on the thing. What shows it shows up here in a curio
caster bangu one episode but wait, I'm not getting any apps.
one episode hour and 36 minutes
all subscribe. We'll see if it shows up. Okay. Yeah, it was a
cool little film. film camera there. Nice.
Yeah. Yeah, that's it Oh, it's getting the documentaries 2.0 is
the title of yeah of the feed? Yeah, but um, like so it says
documentaries 2.0 blood visual truth project projects.
But then the title of the video is killing Yeah, that's that's
the first one. I'm not getting any episodes in. In Curio caster
I don't know why. Okay, you're just sitting there. Yeah.
Okay, let's rename this podcast is searching crap on Google
no one else searching crap on Google searching crap on the
index. Alright What else you got Dave? We can wrap this up I
think. Well hey, I'm looking forward to seeing you tomorrow.
Yeah, man, that's gonna be fun. It's gonna be
been like eight years since I've seen you.
It's really been that long. Gosh. That long? Nice Seven, six
or seven? I think probably. Yeah,
it was like 2000 Oh, gosh, 14. Yeah, it's been a while. Damn.
Hope I recognize you. Yeah, yeah. Do we want to thank at
least one person?
Yes, of course. Yeah, I'm sorry. This year. Well, we've been
talking so much this podcast, but also the value for value
nature. I think it's pretty late in this actual episodes, explain
what that is. You've probably figured out by now. But we
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I figured it's a short week since we're doing this on
Wednesday, but I figured I would at least read cow her Herbert's
note, and he'd gave us $100 Wow. Yeah, nice. And Kyle says I love
podcasting. 2.0 as a podcast and a project. Here's 100 bucks in
support. We're woodland he gets the shirt size. And he says the
the intergalactic boombox podcast. Oh, that's that's who
that is. Ah, okay. I've seen him on Twitter. He's been given us
some Twitter. Juice. Cool. Thank you, Kyle. I don't let me see if
I can print this. I don't have the I don't have it printed out.
So I can't crumple it.
I sorry. We'll just pretend. Yeah, I don't have any other
Crump Womack. Alright. Go ahead. Got it. I got there we go. And
that's it. That's it. Well, that's it. So he's so low. Now.
We are early in the week. But of course, we'll do another episode
next Friday. Hope you all understand. Very excited to go
wave the banner and wear our T shirts and look ultra cool as
everyone whispers Oh my God. That's Dave Jones from
podcasting. Next. podcast is the podcast index boys. You watch.
You watch Dave Jones. You watch? You have no idea. Yep. Things
like holy crap. No, it's true. Have you see? Okay, you'll see.
Members of the Board. All of you here in the in the board
meeting. I will take pictures there will be documentary
evidence of the start of danger. I'm not kidding. I'm not
kidding. I know. You're you watch you watch it. There's that
guy that wrote the shitty PHP app that I use for 10 years. All
right, David. God, I can't believe he's here. I'll see.
Well, I hope you guys will have beers by the time I get in. No,
I'm sure we will. Okay, all the way down here. Alright, buddy.
Good talking to you Dave. And we will be back next Friday with
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