1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,260 Podcasting 2.0 for June 13th, 2025, episode 2 00:00:04,260 --> 00:00:07,100 224, Fatima Organa. 3 00:00:08,620 --> 00:00:09,620 Hello, everybody. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:10,400 Welcome. 5 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:11,660 It's a beautiful Friday. 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,000 It should be a beautiful Friday just about 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:15,620 everywhere. 8 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,540 And we are here to talk about what's 9 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:18,800 happening in podcasting. 10 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,320 Everything that was, everything that is, and everything 11 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,860 that is still yet to be. 12 00:00:22,940 --> 00:00:23,820 We've got it all. 13 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:26,500 This is the only boardroom that told you 14 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:27,820 it would all be okay. 15 00:00:28,260 --> 00:00:29,920 I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of 16 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,160 the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the 17 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:34,400 man who thinks that liquid glass is more 18 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,580 than just gorgeous. 19 00:00:35,980 --> 00:00:37,480 Say hello to my friend on the other 20 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,500 end, the one, the only, Mr. Dave Jones. 21 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,280 The biggest, the most stressful part of the 22 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,940 whole show is always, and I do it 23 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:49,720 every single time, I get a big old 24 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,300 mouthful of some kind of food right, like, 25 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:53,640 right when you kick it off. 26 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,780 And then I struggle to get it to 27 00:00:56,780 --> 00:00:59,180 go down before you, before you kick it 28 00:00:59,180 --> 00:00:59,540 to me. 29 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,800 You know, it's, we can always wait, you 30 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,760 know, for you to swallow before we get 31 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,060 going and it's fine. 32 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:10,760 And you're always telling me to rip it 33 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,380 and then you're like not ready for rippage. 34 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:14,740 I want, I say rip it because I 35 00:01:14,740 --> 00:01:16,180 want to get, because I'm hungry. 36 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:17,980 I want to get you going so that 37 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:18,380 I can eat. 38 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:20,420 But if you just eat and then we 39 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:21,580 rip it, then it'll be less of an 40 00:01:21,580 --> 00:01:21,860 issue. 41 00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:23,500 Yeah, but I'm going to keep eating. 42 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:25,640 I eat through the whole show, you know, 43 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:26,540 the lunch break. 44 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:27,480 I eat through the whole show. 45 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:28,960 Well, I've got the guys working on the 46 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:29,860 septic tank here. 47 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,520 So they're sucking the poop out. 48 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:34,460 So sometimes it gets a little bit noisy. 49 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,380 Did you have a backup or? 50 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,480 No, no. 51 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,240 And we have, we have an aerobic system. 52 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:44,360 So it, it actually turns the waste into 53 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,540 water, just like a water plant, like a 54 00:01:46,540 --> 00:01:48,320 water purification plant does. 55 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,200 And then it goes back into your faucet? 56 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,800 No, we have sprinklers and it, and it 57 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:54,860 sprinkles the lawn. 58 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,780 And that's basically good water. 59 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,500 But after five years or so, you know, 60 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:06,220 there's wipes and all kinds of crap that 61 00:02:06,220 --> 00:02:07,080 gets in there. 62 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Wipes? 63 00:02:08,060 --> 00:02:08,539 Wipes. 64 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,640 I'm a big wipe guy, Dave. 65 00:02:10,660 --> 00:02:11,700 What can I tell you? 66 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:14,020 I would, when we used to live at 67 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:15,360 the bottom of a big hill, it was 68 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,800 like in a, we lived sort of like 69 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,440 in a bowl. 70 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Mm-hmm. 71 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:19,360 Shaped kind of valley. 72 00:02:19,660 --> 00:02:21,220 You would get everything rolling down the hill 73 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:21,720 to you. 74 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:25,240 And we had constant septic issues. 75 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,280 And so whenever I would call the septic 76 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,340 guys out, I don't know that they call 77 00:02:29,340 --> 00:02:30,940 it out there, but was it the pickle 78 00:02:30,940 --> 00:02:31,760 truck? 79 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:33,880 Is that what they call it? 80 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:34,460 The pickle truck? 81 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,260 Yeah. 82 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:38,880 And so you'd come, whenever the septic guys 83 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,380 would come out, when I would come home, 84 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,540 they would have opened up our septic tank. 85 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:45,780 And the smell of our septic tank would 86 00:02:45,780 --> 00:02:48,220 just fill the entire community because of this 87 00:02:48,220 --> 00:02:49,260 valley that we're in. 88 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:51,040 It was, I mean, I was like, I'm 89 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,260 so sorry to my neighbors. 90 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,040 You have to smell, smell our poop from 91 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,460 like houses down. 92 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:58,140 The honey truck. 93 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:58,420 Yeah. 94 00:02:58,580 --> 00:02:59,260 The honey truck. 95 00:02:59,360 --> 00:02:59,460 Yeah. 96 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,760 Well, you see, it's because it's already been 97 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,300 purified. 98 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,460 We don't have that issue. 99 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,560 It's just at a certain point, you just, 100 00:03:05,620 --> 00:03:06,420 you just got to do it. 101 00:03:06,460 --> 00:03:06,960 You just got to. 102 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,140 So when you say my poop don't stink, 103 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:09,900 you mean it. 104 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:10,600 I mean it, baby. 105 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:11,120 That's right. 106 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:11,820 You can drink my poop. 107 00:03:11,820 --> 00:03:12,180 That's for real. 108 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,520 An aerobic septic system is an amazing invention 109 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,120 invented in the swamps of Louisiana. 110 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:23,180 Did you know this? 111 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:27,300 I did not know where it was invented, 112 00:03:27,780 --> 00:03:30,280 but I do know that some places require 113 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:30,780 it, right? 114 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:33,120 Oh, I don't know about that. 115 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,040 I don't know about that. 116 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:34,640 Yeah. 117 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,320 There's, there's natural habitats that are like by 118 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,080 regulation if you're going to live or install 119 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,700 septic. 120 00:03:40,700 --> 00:03:41,560 Oh yeah. 121 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,520 You have, it has to be aerobic. 122 00:03:43,780 --> 00:03:45,220 Well, I, I love it. 123 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:45,900 I really do. 124 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,460 So what it does is it just pumps, 125 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:50,480 has a little CO2 pump and just continuously 126 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,880 pumping CO2 into it, which, you know, gets 127 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,440 rid of all the bacteria and, and then 128 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,760 just purify this guy. 129 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,560 I think it's got five different tanks and 130 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,120 it flows from one to the next, to 131 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,660 the next, next at the, at the last 132 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:03,920 one. 133 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:05,400 It's like, all right, time for the lawn. 134 00:04:06,220 --> 00:04:08,600 And it's, and it's not poopy. 135 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:09,360 It's just water. 136 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,120 It's just water. 137 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Does it, does it get rid of the 138 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,780 bacteria or does it just generate a different 139 00:04:13,780 --> 00:04:14,800 type of bacteria? 140 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,440 It kills them dead on contact. 141 00:04:18,140 --> 00:04:18,420 Okay. 142 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:19,360 Just kills them dead. 143 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:21,740 So it goes through a progressively more and 144 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:23,380 more like filtration as it. 145 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:23,920 Yes. 146 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,120 Okay. 147 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Okay. 148 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,760 And you thought this was the podcasting show. 149 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,440 It's the poop casting show, everybody. 150 00:04:29,860 --> 00:04:32,020 Poop casting 2.0. Poop casting 2.0. 151 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,960 And oh my God, just like that. 152 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:35,980 Oh no. 153 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:38,840 One piece of research changes. 154 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:39,760 Everything. 155 00:04:40,620 --> 00:04:43,720 YouTube is not dominating podcasting. 156 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,300 Oh, everybody. 157 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:48,020 Everybody's like, wow. 158 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:48,800 Whoa. 159 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,120 Hey, I rubbed off. 160 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:52,020 We're about to do a. 161 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,200 Hasn't everybody been saying that for like the 162 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,200 last two years? 163 00:04:57,380 --> 00:04:57,740 Like. 164 00:04:58,140 --> 00:04:58,940 I'm sorry. 165 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:00,560 No, no, no, no. 166 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:02,600 There've been a lot of people who have 167 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,720 been saying no video, man. 168 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,180 It's video. 169 00:05:05,380 --> 00:05:06,080 It's all about video. 170 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:06,820 You got to have video. 171 00:05:06,980 --> 00:05:07,200 Got to do it. 172 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,180 If you listen carefully, listen to the, can 173 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:10,580 you hear, can you hear this? 174 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:12,380 You hear that sound? 175 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,180 Yeah. 176 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:17,900 That is the actual sound of hell freezing 177 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:18,600 over. 178 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,560 Oh yes. 179 00:05:20,860 --> 00:05:21,000 Yes. 180 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:21,800 You hear it now? 181 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:23,180 That's hell freezing over. 182 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,340 As I was listening to the new media 183 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:26,880 show from just yesterday. 184 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:29,380 You know, I, I have this perception that 185 00:05:29,380 --> 00:05:31,860 I've been like all this pro video, pro 186 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:32,600 video stuff. 187 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,380 But if you really listen to what I've 188 00:05:35,380 --> 00:05:38,560 said over the last few months and really 189 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,500 and I'm, I'm trying to emphasize this again 190 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:44,980 because I think that it's been confused. 191 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:50,960 My, my position on this is that video 192 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,180 is kind of like getting more attention now. 193 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:53,560 Right. 194 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,600 But audio is still growing and it's still 195 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:05,080 a significant contributor to the success of podcasting. 196 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,020 And I think video has just gotten more 197 00:06:08,020 --> 00:06:10,260 attention because it's kind of like, like you 198 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:11,620 said, Todd, it's a little bit of a, 199 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,120 you know, it's the shiny thing. 200 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,060 Oh, that's what it is. 201 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:17,140 Kind of in the space right now. 202 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,220 Oh, it's the shine. 203 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:20,960 Rob, I could not listen to the new 204 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,940 media show for the past year without hearing 205 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:24,380 you say the market's going that way. 206 00:06:24,420 --> 00:06:25,220 Everyone's going video. 207 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:25,940 Got to be videos. 208 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:26,520 Has to be video. 209 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,500 The market says it's video. 210 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,640 We've got to pay attention. 211 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:29,800 This is what the young people want. 212 00:06:29,860 --> 00:06:30,900 The young people want video. 213 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:33,300 And then it turns out you were hearing 214 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:33,800 it wrong. 215 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,160 I was hearing it wrong. 216 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:37,000 I was holding it wrong. 217 00:06:37,060 --> 00:06:38,020 That was my problem. 218 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:38,960 I got it. 219 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:41,740 Uh, I do take a little bit of 220 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:43,980 issue with this signal Hill insights. 221 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:48,460 Uh, research conclusion is, um, and that was 222 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:50,260 the literal title of the, I'm sure you've 223 00:06:50,260 --> 00:06:53,040 heard about this of the, uh, YouTube isn't 224 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,400 dominating podcasting. 225 00:06:54,940 --> 00:06:56,840 Um, and this is what I thought was 226 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:58,540 kind of a little bit off a majority, 227 00:06:58,540 --> 00:07:03,080 61% of podcast consumers use another platform 228 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,380 other than YouTube most often. 229 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,560 So I just want to stop for a 230 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:07,760 second. 231 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:11,810 Apple podcast app is not a platform. 232 00:07:13,340 --> 00:07:17,880 The Spotify player of podcasts is not a 233 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,560 platform. 234 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Podcasting is the platform because it's this. 235 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:24,500 Yes. 236 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,420 So it's, you know, people have got to 237 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:27,840 stop. 238 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,520 This is not a platform. 239 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:32,080 It's not a platform. 240 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:34,620 And if, if you really want to think 241 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:36,760 about it, because I did this in my 242 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,160 spare time last night, we have four and 243 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:40,900 a half million podcasts. 244 00:07:42,340 --> 00:07:48,120 So can we say that on average, if 245 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,660 you take all those four and a half 246 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:53,800 million podcasts, could we say that the average 247 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,960 of those podcasts is 100 listeners? 248 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,860 Would that be fair? 249 00:07:57,940 --> 00:08:00,240 Do you think if you really did the 250 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,720 average of like Joe Rogan with 10 million, 251 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:07,280 no agenda with 900,000, I mean, uh, 252 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,940 this show has several thousand. 253 00:08:09,260 --> 00:08:10,980 Do you think you break out a calculator? 254 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:13,800 Well, you said you did this work. 255 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,340 Did you, how, how deep did you go? 256 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,700 Cause I can, I can, we can just 257 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:17,780 do a quick one right here. 258 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,700 Cause I grogged it. 259 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,060 You grogged the, the, um, I mean the, 260 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:26,640 the, the audience size for Rogan that gets 261 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,400 quoted the most often is 21 million. 262 00:08:29,540 --> 00:08:31,559 Oh no, I've heard 10 million, 12 million. 263 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:33,419 I've not, I've not heard 21 million, but 264 00:08:33,419 --> 00:08:33,919 I'll take that. 265 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:34,200 Really? 266 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:34,740 No. 267 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:37,240 I thought, where did I, did I pull 268 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:37,980 that out of my butt? 269 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:39,500 I thought that was a thing. 270 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,360 Um, let's say, well, let's say 21 million. 271 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,860 Um, let's do 21 and then divided by 272 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:49,120 four and a half million podcasts. 273 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,020 Well, that's going to be, that's not going 274 00:08:52,020 --> 00:08:52,600 to be a hundred. 275 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,460 That's going to be, uh, four, four. 276 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:55,860 Yes. 277 00:08:58,300 --> 00:08:58,780 Yeah. 278 00:08:59,260 --> 00:09:00,600 So let's, okay. 279 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,580 Well, considering that most of those podcasts probably 280 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:06,640 don't even have one. 281 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,640 Um, I mean, I mean, there's probably 2 282 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,760 million podcasts on, on, on anchor that nobody 283 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:14,820 has ever listened to. 284 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:15,080 Okay. 285 00:09:15,140 --> 00:09:15,980 Not even one time. 286 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:17,580 Let's take 2 million podcasts. 287 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:18,900 I have at least a hundred listeners. 288 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Let's take a hundred. 289 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,380 Well, let's take 1 million, 1 million of 290 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:24,500 those podcasts have at least a hundred listeners. 291 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:25,080 Is that fair? 292 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:25,640 Daniel J. 293 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,740 Lewis in the, in the boardroom says, according 294 00:09:27,740 --> 00:09:29,900 to Lipson's hosting data, they say the median 295 00:09:29,900 --> 00:09:31,120 is usually around 150. 296 00:09:31,460 --> 00:09:31,740 Okay. 297 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:32,760 So that's marketing. 298 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:34,080 So let's take it down to a hundred. 299 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:35,640 Good. 300 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:35,960 Yes. 301 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:36,200 All right. 302 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:41,000 A hundred podcasting as a platform has 400 303 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,680 million listeners. 304 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,320 Oh, I'm on board with this. 305 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:45,580 Okay. 306 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:46,100 Let's do this. 307 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,060 So that, that, that's how I look at 308 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:48,380 it. 309 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:49,060 Yeah. 310 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:50,380 It's, it's that simple. 311 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,220 And we're joking over to power podcast weekly 312 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:57,960 review that I, did I say that the 313 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,700 pod father now says podcasting is audio only. 314 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Did I say that? 315 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:02,000 Did I say that? 316 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,400 I think, yeah, I think you did good. 317 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:04,280 I'm sticking to it. 318 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,320 I'm sticking to it. 319 00:10:07,820 --> 00:10:09,660 You wrote it on stone tablets. 320 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:10,080 I did. 321 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:11,520 I did. 322 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,360 And if it breaks, come back, I'll give 323 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,000 you another tablet. 324 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,000 Don't worry about it. 325 00:10:15,140 --> 00:10:16,300 We'll give you a do over. 326 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,520 I'll take care of you. 327 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:22,980 Because in general, yeah, there are video podcasts. 328 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:23,720 Absolutely. 329 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,160 But then there's YouTube and YouTube is great 330 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:27,820 for what it is. 331 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:30,420 We've been saying this forever on the show. 332 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,360 Now, the last time we spoke, which I 333 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,940 think was a week ago, I believe I 334 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:39,100 said, if all the hosting companies who are 335 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,660 now desperately scrambling, maybe it slowed down. 336 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,980 We got to do HLS video. 337 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,000 We got to get the video. 338 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,800 We got the video, video to the video, 339 00:10:46,900 --> 00:10:49,120 the video to get the video, video, video, 340 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,060 video, video, video. 341 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,620 I heard Tom Rossi and he sounded exactly 342 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:55,220 like that. 343 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:57,260 That was my Tom Rossi impersonation. 344 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,560 I'm glad you picked up on it. 345 00:10:58,780 --> 00:10:59,260 You nailed it. 346 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:02,840 Here's what's happening. 347 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,160 If we just focus on creating the, I'll 348 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:09,980 call them features. 349 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,900 You can call them namespace tags and continue 350 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:15,480 publishing. 351 00:11:15,780 --> 00:11:17,900 We win case in point. 352 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:22,900 Spotify now supports namespace transcripts. 353 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,240 Yes. 354 00:11:24,460 --> 00:11:26,460 Now let me, let me, let me read 355 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:27,580 to you what they wrote. 356 00:11:28,180 --> 00:11:28,780 Okay. 357 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,880 If you choose to provide your own transcript, 358 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:34,960 you can now also distribute it to other 359 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,980 listening platforms via RSS. 360 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,400 You can head to podcast settings to enable 361 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,120 this feature. 362 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:41,980 And here's the best part. 363 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,000 This is just the start of our investment 364 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,140 in more creator control. 365 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:49,000 Oh, okay. 366 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:49,560 Spotify. 367 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,820 That's fine. 368 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,820 I would like to point out that for 369 00:11:53,820 --> 00:11:58,100 Apple and for Spotify, this happened without marketing, 370 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:04,480 without leadership, without evangelism, without a website, without 371 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,960 the podcast standards protocol. 372 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:11,300 It all happens because the podcast hosting companies 373 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:13,860 are publishing that content. 374 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:16,280 This is what I've been saying since the 375 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:16,700 beginning. 376 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:20,340 Publish and they will ingest and they will 377 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:21,620 eventually use it. 378 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:24,640 So the hosting companies, God bless you all. 379 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:27,540 And I mean that you are driving this 380 00:12:27,540 --> 00:12:31,960 adoption by using it and they can't get 381 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,020 around us. 382 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,860 We are Goliath. 383 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,220 I hate saying that. 384 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:38,600 No, that's, I said that wrong. 385 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:40,340 We're David, but we're going to kill Goliath. 386 00:12:40,620 --> 00:12:42,640 We, but we are the, we are the 387 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,000 gorilla. 388 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:44,480 We are the big gorilla. 389 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,380 When you have hundreds of thousands of feeds, 390 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:54,640 publishing chapters, cloud chapters, and publishing transcripts and 391 00:12:54,640 --> 00:13:00,360 next publishing funding tags, they can't get around 392 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,080 us. 393 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,640 If you don't need, do we don't need 394 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:05,360 to be at conferences? 395 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:07,760 Hi, I'm the podfather. 396 00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:09,480 Join the 2.0 revolution. 397 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,520 Oh, just put it into your feeds. 398 00:13:14,580 --> 00:13:15,280 That's it. 399 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:15,620 Put it in. 400 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:16,180 Put it in. 401 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:17,000 Just stick it in. 402 00:13:18,820 --> 00:13:21,540 Podsage says, just stick it in there. 403 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,420 There's got to be a t-shirt. 404 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,200 Podcasting dude, 2.0, just stick it in. 405 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,820 I, I, I a hundred percent agree with 406 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:31,020 you. 407 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:38,060 And, um, things take a long time, but 408 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:39,320 people don't want to wait. 409 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:46,560 You know, 90% of, um, 90% 410 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:52,460 of success in any endeavor is just being 411 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:56,000 there every day, continuing to do the thing 412 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,100 and just being patient and continuing the work 413 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:01,080 and not giving up. 414 00:14:01,780 --> 00:14:05,340 Just, just, just showing up is 90%. 415 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:10,760 Most open source projects, most open source projects 416 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,640 just don't have that sort of staying power 417 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,980 that, you know, because people, because it's, it's, 418 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,820 it's difficult. 419 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:19,060 It's a time sink. 420 00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:22,040 It's, you know, it's hard to get super 421 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,680 jazzed up about something that you're not getting 422 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,460 paid for is there's, there's a lot of 423 00:14:26,460 --> 00:14:26,920 reasons. 424 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,400 And, you know, like for the love of 425 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,180 the game sounds fun, but it's really not 426 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:33,200 on a daily basis. 427 00:14:33,420 --> 00:14:35,680 A lot of it's not fun, but you 428 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,680 just, if you just keep showing up all 429 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,240 the time. 430 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:38,780 Yes. 431 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,920 And I'm talking about everybody who's involved in 432 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,740 podcasting 2.0, which now includes anchor, uh, 433 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,060 excuse me, not anchor a Spotify. 434 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:50,080 One of these days I'm going to stop 435 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,720 calling him anchor. 436 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Um, but that, which includes them. 437 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,700 Now they've decided to join the party. 438 00:14:57,060 --> 00:15:00,700 It, you just keep showing up and doing 439 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:05,880 stuff and eventually things will get adoption. 440 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,740 But if you give up and you leave, 441 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,880 you know, because it wasn't happening fast enough, 442 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,540 then you absolutely will not get any adoption. 443 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:16,860 That's the quickest way to assure that you're 444 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:18,400 not going to get to the, to the, 445 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,860 to the ends that you want is by 446 00:15:21,860 --> 00:15:24,860 getting impatient and, and, and leaving. 447 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,040 I mean, LL, you know, AI LLMs are, 448 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:32,300 you know, they're the, the latest rage, but 449 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:35,140 the, the, the things that the transformer model 450 00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:36,820 that LLMs are based on, that goes back 451 00:15:36,820 --> 00:15:38,320 to a paper written in 2014. 452 00:15:38,740 --> 00:15:39,040 Amen. 453 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,620 It was 10 years ago. 454 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,420 And the, the, uh, we talked about before 455 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:46,320 activity pub. 456 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:49,800 That was a decade old before anybody, before 457 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,180 he got any kind of traction. 458 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,560 These things just take time. 459 00:15:53,840 --> 00:16:00,000 And eventually, uh, I think, I think there's 460 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,580 gotta be a clip of me saying this 461 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:02,720 at some point in the past. 462 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,620 I think it might've been on, um, on 463 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:10,560 like an interview with Sam Sethi, but we'll 464 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,680 Spotify, you know, adopt these tags. 465 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,800 And I think I said, yes, they will 466 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,400 have to. 467 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,000 Yeah. 468 00:16:16,220 --> 00:16:18,380 Eventually they will because they'll have to, because 469 00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:21,220 they'll have no other choice because it's right 470 00:16:21,220 --> 00:16:22,160 there in front of them. 471 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,760 There's hundreds of thousands of, of feeds doing 472 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,560 things with this content and they can't not 473 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,160 do it. 474 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:32,800 It's always been, it's always been the defeatist 475 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,900 attitude of apple doesn't, doesn't accept it. 476 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,520 And we change that. 477 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,800 We change that by creating an index that 478 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,380 enables all of this metadata to be transferred 479 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:46,700 easily. 480 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,580 And what was the, I'm looking for the 481 00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:51,320 actual numbers. 482 00:16:51,660 --> 00:16:54,620 Was this something like 30 to 38% 483 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:57,020 of all podcasts listening is other. 484 00:16:57,860 --> 00:16:58,880 Oh yeah. 485 00:16:59,020 --> 00:16:59,200 Yeah. 486 00:16:59,260 --> 00:16:59,420 Yeah. 487 00:16:59,420 --> 00:17:01,160 But that's us. 488 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,500 And that's not a small amount. 489 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,839 And again, my experience is if you publish, 490 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:09,880 it will be used. 491 00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:11,640 It just will be. 492 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,859 It's always been that way. 493 00:17:15,220 --> 00:17:17,380 When I started, yeah, no, go ahead. 494 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:18,680 You're, and you're, you're right. 495 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:27,700 The hosting companies, they, they, the, the developer 496 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:30,480 group on podcast index. 497 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,160 Social and the get hub, they created these 498 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,020 things, but the, the hosting companies are the 499 00:17:38,020 --> 00:17:40,880 ones that pushed this thing into the realm 500 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,640 of possibility. 501 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:42,460 Yes. 502 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,940 By pushing by, by creating content. 503 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:48,280 If you give, if you give a app 504 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,140 developers enough content, they'll want to do things 505 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:53,220 with it because it's fun. 506 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:54,540 Exactly. 507 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,080 You know, and I go back to my 508 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,720 old example for a, when did we start 509 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,640 freedom controller 15 years ago? 510 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Yeah, totally. 511 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:09,020 For 15 years, I've been publishing my show 512 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:12,440 notes as OPML files. 513 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,740 So basically machine readable and developer saw it 514 00:18:17,740 --> 00:18:19,680 and went, Hey, that's fun. 515 00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:22,020 Let me make a search engine out of 516 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:22,180 it. 517 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:23,760 Hey, that's fun. 518 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,960 I can take these show notes and put 519 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,640 them on a webpage. 520 00:18:27,180 --> 00:18:28,140 Hey, that's fun. 521 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:31,500 I can ingest this into an LLM, enter 522 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,980 bingit.io, and I can turn it into 523 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:38,400 a supercharged search engine just because I publish 524 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:38,600 it. 525 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:39,600 Did it happen immediately? 526 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:40,300 No. 527 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,440 Took many years. 528 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,300 Did I go out and evangelize? 529 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,180 No, no. 530 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,860 Somebody finally saw it and went, Oh, Oh, 531 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:48,520 that's interesting. 532 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,400 I think I will make something from it. 533 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:52,000 That's how it goes. 534 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:53,380 You didn't evangelize. 535 00:18:53,380 --> 00:18:57,060 But one thing you did do is you 536 00:18:57,060 --> 00:19:00,520 always brought it up on the agenda all 537 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:00,920 the time. 538 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,880 You always said something to the effect of, 539 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,600 um, if you want to go find our 540 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,240 show notes, it's all in OPML format. 541 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,880 You can just suck it down and do 542 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,820 whatever you want with it. 543 00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:12,200 Yes. 544 00:19:12,740 --> 00:19:16,200 And somebody finally heard and did something with 545 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:16,320 it. 546 00:19:16,460 --> 00:19:17,920 A couple of people, a couple of people. 547 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,900 That's the way a lot of this stuff 548 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:23,980 works is, you know, it's not marketing really, 549 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,080 it's just using the power of the microphone, 550 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,200 which is inherent in podcasting. 551 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,340 There's a saying in, uh, so, you know, 552 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:39,160 the, the, the branch of philosophy, or maybe 553 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,740 it's a, maybe it's a branch of rhetoric, 554 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,880 you know, polemics. 555 00:19:42,380 --> 00:19:46,080 There, there's a, a, a sort of cliche 556 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,140 and polemics that the man with the microphone 557 00:19:48,140 --> 00:19:52,160 always wins or, or somehow, or another version 558 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,200 is, don't ever argue with the man with 559 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:54,820 the microphone. 560 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:55,980 Yeah. 561 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,680 The, the, it's basically like, don't, don't challenge 562 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,700 the professor in class because he's always going 563 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,080 to win because he's got the power of 564 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,240 the microphone in front of him. 565 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,860 And so, you know, the microphone is a 566 00:20:05,860 --> 00:20:08,620 powerful thing in podcasting. 567 00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:11,920 It relies on that power. 568 00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:17,060 And when, so when you just mention things 569 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:19,820 like, Hey, try out a, try out a 570 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:21,000 2.0 app. 571 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,280 Hey, we have transcripts if you need them. 572 00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:28,340 Hey, we have chapters, you know, we, we 573 00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:29,520 do, we publish live. 574 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:32,880 If you just mention these things, eventually it 575 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,680 will get adoption. 576 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,060 Time for me to once again, go to 577 00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:42,320 op3.dev. And, uh, let me see. 578 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:47,740 No agenda because every single show, every single 579 00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:49,660 one, I tell people why they should be 580 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:51,620 using a podcasting 2.0 app. 581 00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:54,440 Let's go see what people are using. 582 00:20:55,780 --> 00:20:59,920 And I'm going to scroll down and to 583 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,040 the app section. 584 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,680 We have, let's see. 585 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:11,240 That's a lot. 586 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,580 Wow. 587 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,140 A lot of, uh, that's interesting. 588 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,900 A lot of, uh, that's browsers and refers. 589 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,740 That's not what I want. 590 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,220 Here we go. 591 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:26,140 Apple podcast, 36% podverse, 13% podcast 592 00:21:26,140 --> 00:21:30,360 guru, 7% podcast addict, almost 7% 593 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,620 overcast, six and a half pocket casts, almost 594 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:38,340 five fountain where, whereas, uh, you know, that's, 595 00:21:38,420 --> 00:21:39,800 that's pretty good. 596 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:42,940 I mean, that's, that's a bigger mix than 597 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:45,620 I bet you almost any other podcast because 598 00:21:45,620 --> 00:21:46,840 of the polemics. 599 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:47,980 Yeah. 600 00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:50,260 Because you say it because of the podcast, 601 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,180 polemics, podcast, polemics. 602 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:53,100 I'm liking that. 603 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:53,860 Hold on a second. 604 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,720 I mean that it works. 605 00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:56,240 Yep. 606 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,680 It works. 607 00:21:57,780 --> 00:22:00,800 And, and you know, it's, it's the, the, 608 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,420 the hosting company, the, the, the hosting companies, 609 00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:08,260 uh, push out the content, the smaller app 610 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:10,860 developers, they hammer out these things because it's 611 00:22:10,860 --> 00:22:13,480 fun and they wanted to, and they want 612 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,540 to do cool stuff. 613 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:17,580 And God bless Stephen B's sovereign feeds for 614 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:17,820 that. 615 00:22:18,460 --> 00:22:18,940 That's. 616 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,440 And that was the first thing that I 617 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,640 was just adamant about. 618 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:23,760 Martin tried it for a bit and it's 619 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,540 very difficult to do, particularly ingesting an existing 620 00:22:26,540 --> 00:22:29,720 feed and then adding these new, uh, tags 621 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,140 to it. 622 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:33,000 But I've been publishing sovereign feeds ever since, 623 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,760 uh, I have the four years now. 624 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,660 So I'm publishing all, I'm still publishing social 625 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:38,160 interact. 626 00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:39,580 I'm publishing all of it. 627 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:40,140 Yeah. 628 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,040 Does it get used everywhere? 629 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:41,340 No. 630 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:43,020 Apple just ignores it. 631 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:43,600 That's fine. 632 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,800 But I'm seeing market share erode to pod 633 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,000 verse, podcast, guru, podcast addicts, and interestingly overcast. 634 00:22:51,740 --> 00:22:55,000 but the top outside of Apple podcast, pod 635 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,160 verse, podcast, guru, podcast addict, dwarf overcast, dwarf. 636 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,540 And if you take all of these, uh, 637 00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:06,620 together, so that's a seven, seven, five. 638 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:10,100 We get pretty close to rivaling Apple podcasts 639 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,420 from my podcast with, uh, independent apps. 640 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:17,000 So I did some math. 641 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:22,520 I looked at, um, I looked at the 642 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,960 latest weekly feed dump and the latest, the 643 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,600 latest dump shows that. 644 00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:34,460 So this, this, a weekly report, uh, gets 645 00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:38,300 emailed every week and it's, uh, it just 646 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,520 gives a list of the hosting companies. 647 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:44,100 Uh, each, each hosting company and how many 648 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,000 feeds in the index they represent. 649 00:23:48,380 --> 00:23:48,880 Okay. 650 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,100 So in this, I've been, this, this report 651 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:56,060 has been automated, uh, generating every week for 652 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,420 almost the entire life of the index. 653 00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:03,540 And, uh, so I just went through, I 654 00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:05,080 printed it off and I just, and I 655 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,220 checked a feed of each one to see 656 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:09,660 if they declared the namespace. 657 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,260 And then I just totaled up how much 658 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:17,560 that, how many of the feeds that total 659 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,460 that represents. 660 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:23,760 So the, uh, anchor, we have a hundred, 661 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,560 we have 1,000,829,777 feeds from 662 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,240 anchor, from anchor. 663 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,860 That's five listeners. 664 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:35,400 Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 665 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,340 So, uh, Spotify for podcasters, I need to 666 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:39,140 change these names. 667 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:41,420 But so if you go down the list, 668 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,940 you got anchor, Spreaker, Buzzsprout, uh, SoundCloud, iVoox, 669 00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:51,520 RSS.com, Podbean, Lipson, Podomatic, Castbox, Castos, Acast, 670 00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:57,160 Blueberry, uh, Blueberry is, uh, famously difficult to 671 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,900 count because of power press and because of 672 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,160 their 25 different white glove services. 673 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:01,600 Right. 674 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,960 Uh, feed burner, white glove. 675 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,180 I like white glove instead of white label. 676 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:06,780 That's nice. 677 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:07,280 White label. 678 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:07,460 Yeah. 679 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:07,880 White label. 680 00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:08,140 Yeah. 681 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,420 Yes. 682 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:08,640 Right. 683 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:09,760 Wait, I meant white label. 684 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:10,140 You're right. 685 00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:14,040 Uh, feed burner, uh, LibriVox, Captivate. 686 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,000 I'm just doing the top 25, uh, Hubhopper, 687 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:23,200 Transistor, Red Circle, Megaphone, Islam House, Cambridge University, 688 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:27,420 Simplecast, Omnicontent, and, uh, Gemalaya. 689 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,420 So that's the, that's just the top 25 690 00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:32,280 and by the time you get down to 691 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,900 the, to the 25th position, you've gone from 692 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:38,820 1.8 million feeds with Spotify for podcasters 693 00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:42,780 to Gemalaya with 16,000 feeds. 694 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,900 So it's a very quick drop off the 695 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,300 top, you know, it's, it's heavily weighted to 696 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:49,300 the top five. 697 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:49,620 Yeah. 698 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,660 Top 10 really. 699 00:25:52,620 --> 00:25:56,180 So the, if you, if you look at 700 00:25:56,180 --> 00:26:00,140 out of the top 25, 1, 2, 3, 701 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,880 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 of those do 702 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,060 not declare the podcast namespace. 703 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,040 If you go bigger and go to like, 704 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,240 you know, the top 50, it's, you know, 705 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,820 many more do declare the namespace. 706 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,480 So if you start adding up feed counts, 707 00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:24,540 I just, I just quit counting at a 708 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:25,160 certain point. 709 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,460 So this number is actually way higher than, 710 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,080 than, than it, than I have here. 711 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,820 Then the real number is way higher, but 712 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:35,860 I just ran out of patients counting. 713 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,720 I'm adding up at least three and a 714 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,180 half million podcasts out of the four and 715 00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:47,000 a half million that declare the podcast namespace. 716 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:50,120 Now, I mean, you're pushing 80%. 717 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:50,420 Yes. 718 00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:52,480 And this James and Sam is why I 719 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,120 declare that mission is accomplished. 720 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,180 You can laugh at me all you want, 721 00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:01,880 you limeys, but mission accomplished. 722 00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:03,600 Are you tired of winning yet? 723 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:04,000 Yes. 724 00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:08,000 In fact, I'll go one step further. 725 00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:12,500 There is no other media but podcasting. 726 00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:14,880 Podcasting dwarfs it all. 727 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,700 It dwarfs cable. 728 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,420 It dwarfs everything. 729 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:26,360 It dwarfs it as episodic, independently transmitted and 730 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,260 managed media. 731 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:29,860 It dwarfs anything. 732 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,700 Go to the platforms all you want. 733 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:35,220 The platforms steal from you. 734 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,440 This is, this is a, the revolution has 735 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,900 kind of been silent, but it is so 736 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:42,220 big. 737 00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:44,120 It is so much bigger. 738 00:27:44,420 --> 00:27:47,400 And I, and I appreciate our, our, our 739 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,660 friend from Signal Hill Insights for, I'm like 740 00:27:51,660 --> 00:27:53,660 Paul Rismandel. 741 00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:57,040 I'm not, you know, it's like, I understand 742 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,480 that people listen to me and go like, 743 00:27:58,540 --> 00:27:59,140 oh, what a twat. 744 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:01,680 I get it. 745 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:02,440 I get it. 746 00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:02,980 Not every time. 747 00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:04,080 No, most of the time. 748 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:08,020 So I, I appreciate, and that's, is it 749 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:08,960 cumulus media? 750 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:09,760 Oh, that's interesting. 751 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,020 This is just the beginning of the end 752 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:16,200 for everybody. 753 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,100 For everything else. 754 00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:20,260 And once we get our heads out of 755 00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:22,720 our butts about, well, I got to be 756 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,920 number one on the chart. 757 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,540 You got to be a God, but grow 758 00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:26,180 my show. 759 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:26,940 Todd. 760 00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:29,380 It's not all about growing your show. 761 00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:30,800 It's not. 762 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,620 This is what I get to the funding 763 00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:33,080 tag. 764 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:39,800 And so we now have, um, true fans 765 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,880 and, uh, fountain doing their own version, but 766 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:52,300 both enabling in obvious ways for people to 767 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:56,460 support the podcast with a button that says 768 00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:58,840 support this podcast and you click on it. 769 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,840 And, and I think both allow you to 770 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,940 use Google pay, uh, Google, uh, was it, 771 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,200 uh, Google play pay and Apple pay to 772 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,400 send your money. 773 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:18,540 Now I, we invented, uh, the, what are 774 00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:18,860 you drinking? 775 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,540 Oh, this is a LaCroix pure. 776 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,400 I'm going organic to dynamite. 777 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,420 Um, you know, of course we put in, 778 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:32,920 uh, the lightning network as a backup for 779 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,200 de-platforming off of PayPal. 780 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,000 That was the initial thought behind it. 781 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:40,180 And it's incredibly valid and I love it. 782 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:42,600 And I use it and I love getting, 783 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:48,670 um, uh, boosts and streaming sats, but we 784 00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:52,050 need to start pushing the funding tag in 785 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,590 our feeds and in our apps. 786 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:56,390 And you know what? 787 00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:57,630 Apple's going to love it. 788 00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:59,050 Oh, wait a minute. 789 00:29:59,050 --> 00:30:00,890 You click on this and then our people 790 00:30:00,890 --> 00:30:03,290 are, our app users can just use Apple 791 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:03,610 pay. 792 00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:04,470 Boom, done. 793 00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,390 Yeah, this is, I agree. 794 00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:11,910 I'm, I'm gonna, um, I'm, I'm going to 795 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:15,950 predict since, since we're in a winning mood. 796 00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:16,470 Yes. 797 00:30:16,550 --> 00:30:16,810 Yes. 798 00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:18,830 Let's go, let's go bold or go home. 799 00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:20,310 Go, go. 800 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:23,390 The bold is the bold prediction is going 801 00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:26,770 to be that Apple themselves will support the 802 00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:27,390 funding tag. 803 00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:28,570 I completely agree. 804 00:30:28,890 --> 00:30:30,030 I completely agree. 805 00:30:30,670 --> 00:30:32,470 It may take five years, but they will 806 00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:32,890 do it. 807 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:33,270 Yeah. 808 00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:34,610 And I don't think it will take that 809 00:30:34,610 --> 00:30:34,830 long. 810 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:37,810 And I think the, the winner on the 811 00:30:37,810 --> 00:30:39,210 backend will be Stripe. 812 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:40,610 Hmm. 813 00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:43,590 I can't exactly say why I think that, 814 00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:45,050 but they just seem to have, I mean, 815 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:46,930 I've dealt with Stripe now, myself, you've dealt 816 00:30:46,930 --> 00:30:47,550 with Stripe. 817 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:50,930 They kind of have their crap together on 818 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:51,510 the backend. 819 00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:54,730 You know, it's reasonably easy to, to get 820 00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:56,930 your Stripe account set up and connect it. 821 00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:58,770 I don't know if it's available everywhere in 822 00:30:58,770 --> 00:30:59,190 the world. 823 00:30:59,350 --> 00:31:01,250 It seems like on no agenda, we started 824 00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:03,710 using Stripe and a lot of foreigners use 825 00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:03,870 it. 826 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:06,470 Oh, scam likely. 827 00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:07,630 No, I don't think so. 828 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:10,110 Um, that sounded like a light phone. 829 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:11,310 That is a light phone. 830 00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:12,470 I'm using my light phone. 831 00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:13,550 I recognize that tone. 832 00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:15,490 I love the light phone ringtone. 833 00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:17,930 Um, yes. 834 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:20,130 I, I think that Stripe has a very 835 00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:22,990 good chance of being a winner in the 836 00:31:22,990 --> 00:31:25,370 funding tag wars of 2025. 837 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:30,990 Um, because with Stripe, you can indeed use 838 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:32,690 your, I know you can use Apple pay. 839 00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:34,730 I'm presuming you can use your, your, your 840 00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:35,870 Google pay, play pay. 841 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:37,890 Yeah, I think so. 842 00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:38,730 Yeah. 843 00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:39,410 Oh yeah, for sure. 844 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:39,690 Yeah. 845 00:31:40,030 --> 00:31:41,990 And, uh, PayPal, all that. 846 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:42,210 Yeah. 847 00:31:42,290 --> 00:31:43,810 They're, they're very reasonable. 848 00:31:45,870 --> 00:31:49,330 So this is a dynamite way to support 849 00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:50,110 your podcast. 850 00:31:50,170 --> 00:31:54,470 It removes tons of hurdles when you can 851 00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:56,290 just say, Oh, just hit on the, on 852 00:31:56,290 --> 00:31:58,530 the donate button, hit the boost button, hit 853 00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:00,050 the give button, whatever. 854 00:32:00,210 --> 00:32:02,210 And that, by the way, something that should 855 00:32:02,210 --> 00:32:05,850 change dynamically as the spec says for the 856 00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:07,890 funding tag, you can put in into the 857 00:32:07,890 --> 00:32:09,950 funding tag what you want that to say. 858 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:13,230 Now, if you, if you put in a 859 00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:15,110 whole paragraph, that's not going to work, but, 860 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:17,590 um, I've seen it. 861 00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:19,850 I've seen it change dynamically here and there 862 00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:21,070 out in the wild, if you know what 863 00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:21,330 I mean. 864 00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:22,430 Yes. 865 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:22,710 Yes. 866 00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:25,730 And, and I think that this is a 867 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:29,470 dynamite easy, easy, easy piece to the puzzle. 868 00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:36,490 For not having to chase listeners and just 869 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:38,430 do, do your podcast. 870 00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:41,650 And if it's any good, if the topic 871 00:32:41,650 --> 00:32:43,690 is on point for what you know about, 872 00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:45,610 people will listen to it and they will 873 00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:47,550 tell other people, Hey, this is an interesting, 874 00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:49,990 uh, interesting podcast about hubcaps. 875 00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:51,750 You know, you're a hubcap guy, aren't you? 876 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:51,930 Yeah. 877 00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:55,050 I'll listen to the hubcap podcast and true 878 00:32:55,050 --> 00:32:56,590 to the value for value model. 879 00:32:56,590 --> 00:32:59,510 Unless you ask, people will not give you 880 00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:59,990 any money. 881 00:33:00,070 --> 00:33:01,670 If you ask them, they will. 882 00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:04,410 I have lived by this for 17 and 883 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:05,210 a half years. 884 00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:08,070 Everybody can do it. 885 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:12,750 And the sooner we stop chasing after the 886 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:16,190 Fata Morgana, that is a, what I know 887 00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:18,010 you'd like to have Fata Morgana. 888 00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:18,510 Grok it. 889 00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:19,290 What does that mean? 890 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:20,570 Fata Morgana. 891 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,030 Oh, let me look at it. 892 00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:23,410 I'm going to, I'm going to open web 893 00:33:23,410 --> 00:33:24,030 UI it. 894 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:25,890 Web UI it. 895 00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:28,950 Are you looking at your own, uh, LLM? 896 00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:30,770 Fata Morgana. 897 00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:31,210 Okay. 898 00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:33,170 What does Fata Morgana say? 899 00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:34,830 No, I use the wrong model. 900 00:33:34,890 --> 00:33:35,950 I use the coder model. 901 00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:37,150 It's going to, it's going to give me 902 00:33:37,150 --> 00:33:37,690 a function. 903 00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:41,310 Fata Morgana is a complex form of mirage, 904 00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:44,110 an optical phenomenon caused by the bending of 905 00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:46,790 light rays as they pass through layers of 906 00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:48,990 air with different temperatures and densities. 907 00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:52,390 This creates distorted or inverted images of distant 908 00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:55,050 objects, often seen over bodies of water or 909 00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:55,850 in deserts. 910 00:33:57,370 --> 00:33:58,970 So this is like, uh, this is like 911 00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:01,630 this, um, seeing, thinking you see an Oasis 912 00:34:01,630 --> 00:34:02,310 when you don't. 913 00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:02,750 Correct. 914 00:34:03,050 --> 00:34:06,330 If Fata Morgana, the Fata Morgana, that's a 915 00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:07,969 show title, by the way, I think, I 916 00:34:07,969 --> 00:34:08,770 think we have a show title. 917 00:34:08,870 --> 00:34:14,090 The Fata Morgana of you have to have 918 00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:15,969 dynamic ads inserted. 919 00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:18,090 You have to have at least 10,000 920 00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:20,530 downloads a month or whatever, whatever it's changed. 921 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:21,949 That's a race to the bottom. 922 00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:23,350 It's already changed. 923 00:34:23,429 --> 00:34:24,290 It was 10,000. 924 00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:25,170 Then it was 2000. 925 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:26,550 Now it's a thousand. 926 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:28,030 I think so much saying, Hey, whatever you 927 00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:29,110 got, you got three downloads. 928 00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:29,630 Come on in. 929 00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:30,230 We'll give you a penny. 930 00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:31,010 Come on in. 931 00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:31,409 You're good. 932 00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:32,150 Yeah. 933 00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:33,610 Whatever you got, whatever you got, bring it, 934 00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:33,929 bring it. 935 00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:35,170 We'll aggregate it and we'll get you some 936 00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:35,409 money. 937 00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:40,370 Um, which is just okay. 938 00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:43,110 You know, but if you ask people, they 939 00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:43,969 will support you. 940 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:45,949 And if not, you come back to me 941 00:34:45,949 --> 00:34:46,870 and said it didn't work. 942 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,800 Um, and when you, and we have, we 943 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,660 have future plans for, uh, the funding tag 944 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:58,060 as well. 945 00:34:58,220 --> 00:35:00,620 You know, we, there's, there's ideas to extend 946 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:03,680 that thing and, uh, you know, add new 947 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,740 twist to it. 948 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040 Uh, it's, it's a good, simple, it's a 949 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,780 dead, simple use case tag. 950 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,700 Do you wish to expand on the, uh, 951 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,180 the future enhancements of the funding tag? 952 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:19,240 I, I, this may have eluded me. 953 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,380 Uh, no, no, no, I think, I think 954 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,820 you were aware of it. 955 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,640 Just, you know, there's always been sort of, 956 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:26,340 uh, there's always been people that have talked 957 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:30,580 about doing things like, uh, given it, giving 958 00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:34,920 an extra attribute for, uh, like a, um, 959 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,580 what would you call it? 960 00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:38,120 Like a, like a hint as to what 961 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:38,880 type of payment. 962 00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:40,620 Oh, right, right, right, right, right. 963 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:40,960 Yes. 964 00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:42,660 You know, so that you could sort of 965 00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:45,780 like bake, bake a thing into it where 966 00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:47,920 you could like bring Apple pay or Google 967 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,620 pay, right. 968 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,000 Bring an icon, something like, yes, trade it. 969 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:51,840 You can bring it straight. 970 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,020 More than a chicklet. 971 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,940 Isn't that a song more than a chicklet? 972 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,920 More than a chicklet. 973 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,980 It's not just chewing gum. 974 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,560 So stuff like that, like, like bring, you 975 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,400 know, bringing in stuff. 976 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,120 And then, yeah. 977 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:14,320 what was it? 978 00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:14,740 Yeah. 979 00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:17,840 Chad said that, uh, Stephen B had a, 980 00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:18,700 I did a, I used to do a 981 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:19,660 link tree style thing. 982 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,500 So there's been, Oh, that's interesting. 983 00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:21,820 Yeah. 984 00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:25,720 Right now there's, it's a dead simple tag 985 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,120 and it's, it's just really easy to implement. 986 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,720 but it's hidden, it's hidden in podcasts. 987 00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:33,860 It's hidden behind an innocuous icon. 988 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:37,520 It's hidden in a menu, uh, even on 989 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,720 my, my daily driver podcast guru. 990 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:41,800 I, by the way, I, I boosted a 991 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,660 mega baller boost the other day from podcast 992 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:44,820 guru from my own node. 993 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,220 It went through and I was happy. 994 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,320 Oh, I couldn't, I couldn't believe it. 995 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,220 Oh, um, Twib. 996 00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:51,740 Twib. 997 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:52,140 Okay. 998 00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:55,040 Did you ever get, did you ever get 999 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,480 the $10 that I sent you? 1000 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:56,780 I did. 1001 00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:57,360 Yeah, I got it. 1002 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,060 Oh yeah, I got it. 1003 00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:58,160 Okay. 1004 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,340 Yeah. 1005 00:36:58,380 --> 00:36:58,740 Thank you. 1006 00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,340 Thank you. 1007 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:00,540 Tina and I went out for dinner. 1008 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:01,920 We had a marshmallow. 1009 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,640 Y'all shared one. 1010 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,840 We shared a marshmallow. 1011 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,460 You split it down the middle. 1012 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:07,760 Yeah. 1013 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,100 Yeah. 1014 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,320 Thank you very much for supporting the cause. 1015 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:11,660 Yeah. 1016 00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:12,460 Yeah. 1017 00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:14,280 I saw it on the, on the credit 1018 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,500 card. 1019 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,540 It said to curry.com. 1020 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:16,740 I was like, did he ever get that? 1021 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,260 I did. 1022 00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:17,880 I did. 1023 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,220 Yes. 1024 00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:19,300 Um, yeah. 1025 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:22,120 So I think there's like, there's a lot 1026 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,260 of, and so I've started back working on 1027 00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:32,260 the images tag, uh, this week and working 1028 00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:36,880 with Nathan, uh, Gathwright to, to try to 1029 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,140 get some traction on that. 1030 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:44,060 Uh, and I think that we're, we're in 1031 00:37:44,060 --> 00:37:48,200 a good place with 2.0 in the 1032 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:54,180 namespace because it was, you know, we slow, 1033 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,420 we slowed down the pace of development and 1034 00:37:56,420 --> 00:38:00,360 that is, has been a good thing because 1035 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,680 lots of people are now adopting and that 1036 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,940 becomes sort of a snowball as people adopt 1037 00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:10,860 other people adopt. 1038 00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:13,080 And so there's just a lot of that 1039 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,160 going on right now. 1040 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:17,280 I mean, Spotify being a, you know, a 1041 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,460 completely out of the blue. 1042 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,440 And, and I mean, I'm thrilled to death 1043 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,140 about it because once you, once you take 1044 00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:27,840 the, uh, the big step of putting the 1045 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,000 namespace into your XML, once that's, that's the 1046 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,640 big step. 1047 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,020 If you can cross that Rubicon, then everything 1048 00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:40,980 else flows downhill from that because you, you 1049 00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:45,880 now can just write to, you can write 1050 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,260 to the spec without having to change the 1051 00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:50,340 structure of the feed. 1052 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,120 you know, you can just know that it's, 1053 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,800 you can just know that it's there. 1054 00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:58,880 You don't have to touch the feed again. 1055 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:01,760 do you actually see the namespace being declared 1056 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,200 and anchor a Spotify for podcasters? 1057 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,260 Oh yeah, it's there. 1058 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:07,600 Yeah, yeah, it's there. 1059 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,480 No, the winning is, is, is happening. 1060 00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:15,400 I mean, we're going to win so much. 1061 00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:16,360 We're going to get tired of winning. 1062 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:17,760 So we're just going to be like, Dave, 1063 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,340 Dave, stop the winning brother. 1064 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,020 Stop it. 1065 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,240 Stop it. 1066 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,100 It's too much. 1067 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,960 It's too much winning. 1068 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,940 So this is, you know, that's the big 1069 00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:28,440 step. 1070 00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:35,060 And, and Spotify will add more things as 1071 00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:38,440 time goes on because once a company starts 1072 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:45,860 seeing the, the, the downstream effect of adding 1073 00:39:45,860 --> 00:39:51,760 these open interoperable tags, you can't, you, it 1074 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,780 just becomes addictive. 1075 00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:55,460 I mean, there's just, there, it's just such 1076 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:56,440 easy win. 1077 00:39:56,740 --> 00:39:56,880 Yeah. 1078 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,740 I mean, you're a developer, you're sitting at 1079 00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:01,760 Spotify, you're sitting there and like everything's humming 1080 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,960 along and you're like, what am I going 1081 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,620 to do today? 1082 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,200 Oh, let me see. 1083 00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:05,860 What is this? 1084 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,060 What is this chapters thing? 1085 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,100 What is this funding tag thing? 1086 00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:13,660 But where could I make that look like 1087 00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:14,380 in our interface? 1088 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,800 Let me, let me give it a shot. 1089 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:16,740 Yeah. 1090 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,700 We vibe, we vibe code for a bit 1091 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:20,440 and then we make it all work. 1092 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,220 And we say, Hey manager, manager, what do 1093 00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:22,740 you think of this? 1094 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:23,800 What do you think of this? 1095 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,180 Yeah. 1096 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:25,720 That's exactly right. 1097 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,680 And we think it's something simple like the 1098 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,260 funding tag, the funding tag. 1099 00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:33,100 They can, they, they can allow us Spotify 1100 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:38,500 for podcasters, podcast to stick a funding, uh, 1101 00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:39,420 link in there. 1102 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,520 It can redirect back to a payment landing 1103 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,980 page on Spotify for podcasters where they can, 1104 00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:47,240 where they can take a donation or to 1105 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:47,860 get a payment. 1106 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,420 Yes. 1107 00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:50,400 Spotify can get a piece of that action. 1108 00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:52,060 Boom, boom, boom. 1109 00:40:52,580 --> 00:40:54,500 I mean, there's just so many things. 1110 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:54,760 Yeah. 1111 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,260 And all without marketing, leadership, evangelism, just publish, 1112 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:02,560 just publish. 1113 00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:05,260 Publish. 1114 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,900 That's all it takes. 1115 00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:08,160 It's all it takes. 1116 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,560 The, the, um, the one thing that we 1117 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,950 do need now, uh, is cupcakes or bagels. 1118 00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:19,970 One of the two. 1119 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:21,070 Great. 1120 00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:23,770 But about now decaf, we're out of decaf, 1121 00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:27,290 decaf for your American or you're right. 1122 00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:27,970 You're making a run. 1123 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:28,310 Yeah. 1124 00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:28,510 Yeah. 1125 00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:29,830 Americano. 1126 00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:30,190 All right. 1127 00:41:30,350 --> 00:41:31,570 Decaf Americano. 1128 00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:32,270 Yeah. 1129 00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:33,610 We only do pour over. 1130 00:41:33,790 --> 00:41:35,230 Why do they tell you that every single 1131 00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:35,330 time? 1132 00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:35,830 I don't know. 1133 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:36,710 I don't care. 1134 00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:37,210 I don't care. 1135 00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:41,970 Um, so on the namespace, since we're on 1136 00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:46,370 namespace, uh, we kind of entered the namespace, 1137 00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:48,610 the back through the back door without going 1138 00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:49,570 through the portal. 1139 00:41:50,770 --> 00:41:55,910 But, um, the name, while we're on namespace 1140 00:41:55,910 --> 00:42:02,250 stuff, somebody who's better with react than me. 1141 00:42:03,730 --> 00:42:07,490 Could some, could whoever that person is, please 1142 00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:09,110 do a pull request on the, on the 1143 00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:13,770 web, web UI repo of podcast index, get 1144 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:19,970 hub and change the, the site to where 1145 00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:23,910 the namespace page on the site redirects to 1146 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:24,630 the get hub. 1147 00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,970 Now, as it came out of my mouth, 1148 00:42:28,070 --> 00:42:29,330 I realized that's very garbled. 1149 00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:30,490 Yes. 1150 00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:31,010 Yes. 1151 00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:35,050 So if you go to any, um, just 1152 00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:38,270 find any feed that, that declares the namespace, 1153 00:42:38,770 --> 00:42:39,890 let's, let's do this one. 1154 00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:43,610 Uh, uh, let me go here. 1155 00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:46,250 Well, the first one I clicked on is 1156 00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:48,170 just completely Japanese. 1157 00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:49,110 That's not going to work. 1158 00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:51,010 Mm. 1159 00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:52,770 That's Sonic bowl. 1160 00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:53,450 What? 1161 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:56,670 This Sonic bowl dot cloud. 1162 00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:58,190 Never heard of that host before. 1163 00:42:58,590 --> 00:42:59,170 Okay. 1164 00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:00,010 Sonic bowl. 1165 00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:01,110 Hey man. 1166 00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:03,510 Uh, podcasting. 1167 00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:06,490 Let's just find this feed. 1168 00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:09,090 Okay. 1169 00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:12,150 So the podcasting to do, to do, uh, 1170 00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:19,430 namespace, uh, as it's declared in the, in 1171 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:22,850 a feed has a URL associated with it. 1172 00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:25,630 And that URL goes to our website. 1173 00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:34,070 Um, uh, and so what I've always been, 1174 00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:37,530 what I've always done is I've, I've taken 1175 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:42,090 the current, uh, markdown version of the namespace 1176 00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:44,510 of the primary namespace document. 1177 00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:48,690 And then I've created an HTML version off 1178 00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:50,510 of that on our website. 1179 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,270 But, but that's a B that's a pain 1180 00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:53,810 in the butt. 1181 00:43:53,830 --> 00:43:55,630 And sometimes I forget to update it. 1182 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:59,570 And so what's, what can happen, what happens 1183 00:43:59,570 --> 00:44:03,050 is you'll end up that sometimes people use 1184 00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:07,090 that namespace document, that namespace URL as their 1185 00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:08,430 primary document source. 1186 00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:10,410 And it may be wrong. 1187 00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:15,470 We're missing some stuff, but that URL is 1188 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:15,990 important. 1189 00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:17,730 It needs to never change. 1190 00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:23,290 Um, it's, this gets into sort of the 1191 00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:28,490 weeds of XML voodoo here. 1192 00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:37,970 But X, when you inside XML, inside most 1193 00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:43,550 XML interpreters, the namespace is not the prefix. 1194 00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:47,050 The namespace is the URL. 1195 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:52,530 So that, that thing at the top XML 1196 00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:56,110 NS colon podcast equal, and it's got a 1197 00:44:56,110 --> 00:44:56,570 URL. 1198 00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:58,650 That's the namespace. 1199 00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:04,450 But, you know, we sort of like we 1200 00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:07,890 cheat a lot of times and we just 1201 00:45:07,890 --> 00:45:09,450 look for, we just look for the, for 1202 00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:11,890 the prefix and that works. 1203 00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:14,650 It works most of the time if you 1204 00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:19,390 just look for like podcast colon, but, but 1205 00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:22,690 inside the state machine of the, of, of 1206 00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:26,470 an XML parser, one that actually conforms to 1207 00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:30,070 proper XML parsing, it's fall. 1208 00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:31,310 It's looking for the URL. 1209 00:45:32,110 --> 00:45:34,430 It's making an association, but in the URL 1210 00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:35,330 and the prefix. 1211 00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:39,550 And so that URL needs to be the 1212 00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:40,510 same everywhere. 1213 00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:43,670 So we made a decision way, way, way 1214 00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:45,790 back at the very beginning of the namespace. 1215 00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:50,330 Originally the namespace pointed to pointed to the 1216 00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:53,650 get hub URL, but we made a decision 1217 00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:57,270 to point it to podcast index.org just 1218 00:45:57,270 --> 00:46:00,550 to, you know, have it live on an 1219 00:46:00,550 --> 00:46:02,650 actual site and not just be some sub, 1220 00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:05,130 you know, sub path of, of get hub 1221 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:07,010 because who knows? 1222 00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:09,110 I mean, maybe in the future we move 1223 00:46:09,110 --> 00:46:10,790 somewhere else besides the get hub, whatever. 1224 00:46:11,470 --> 00:46:14,530 And so we, we changed it to podcast 1225 00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:18,750 index.org slash namespace, something I've, I've forgot. 1226 00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:25,370 Um, so that page needs to always stay 1227 00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:26,050 the same. 1228 00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:29,990 And then, but it can just be a 1229 00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:33,690 redirect over to the get hub so that 1230 00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:35,390 I have to stop so that I can 1231 00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:37,910 stop manually updating the website. 1232 00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:39,170 Okay. 1233 00:46:39,810 --> 00:46:40,790 Did that make sense? 1234 00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:43,270 No, no, but, but someone out there got 1235 00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:43,550 it. 1236 00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:45,070 Okay. 1237 00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:45,650 Okay. 1238 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:46,870 I love you. 1239 00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:48,890 Uh, that's, let's see. 1240 00:46:49,450 --> 00:46:52,330 Um, yeah, right now it, right now it 1241 00:46:52,330 --> 00:46:56,610 points to, uh, HTTPS colon slash slash podcast 1242 00:46:56,610 --> 00:47:00,710 index.org slash namespace slash one dot O. 1243 00:47:01,150 --> 00:47:02,890 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1244 00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:04,290 I understand what you're saying now. 1245 00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:04,650 Yes. 1246 00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:07,630 That page needs to bounce over to the 1247 00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:09,150 get hub when people land there. 1248 00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:11,490 I got it. 1249 00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:11,810 Okay. 1250 00:47:11,890 --> 00:47:14,070 So that's a simple, uh, pull request. 1251 00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:15,590 I'll do that in a minute. 1252 00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:16,570 Oh yeah. 1253 00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:16,830 Okay. 1254 00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:20,410 If someone could do that for me, I 1255 00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:21,690 mean, I, I can do it. 1256 00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:23,310 I just don't want to fight with react 1257 00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:24,670 cause I just don't know it very well. 1258 00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:27,370 Um, but that would be helpful. 1259 00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:32,010 Um, because I just noticed yesterday that, that, 1260 00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:33,890 that I forgot to update it on the 1261 00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:35,550 last batch on the last phase. 1262 00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:36,090 Okay. 1263 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:36,830 I got you. 1264 00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:37,790 Yeah. 1265 00:47:39,450 --> 00:47:42,470 Uh, let me just, uh, punch down a 1266 00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:42,970 second again. 1267 00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:48,450 Um, YouTube says, yeah, YouTube's impact report. 1268 00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:52,810 They, uh, their response, YouTube is responsible for 1269 00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:58,070 $55 billion of GDP, 490,000 jobs. 1270 00:47:58,610 --> 00:47:59,090 Wow. 1271 00:47:59,170 --> 00:48:00,670 What a way to say we might not 1272 00:48:00,670 --> 00:48:02,190 be profitable with our business. 1273 00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:05,270 Yeah, that, that is exactly what I thought 1274 00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:05,990 is the first thing. 1275 00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:07,450 How much money do you make really? 1276 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:09,290 But how are you doing in there with 1277 00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:12,770 all your specialized, uh, ASICs and everything for 1278 00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:15,250 encoding and all these different formats you're doing 1279 00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:17,070 and storage and how are you doing with 1280 00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:17,310 that? 1281 00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:20,130 That, that was a dumb stat. 1282 00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:21,230 Yeah. 1283 00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:22,910 I mean, we, I wish we could do 1284 00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:24,250 this for, for podcasting. 1285 00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:24,950 We probably could. 1286 00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:26,410 We could be just as fuzzy. 1287 00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:28,670 Of course we have to have the Oxford 1288 00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:30,770 school of economics to help us out. 1289 00:48:31,570 --> 00:48:32,990 Well, that's what they got. 1290 00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:34,930 Well, I mean you could do that with 1291 00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:35,290 anything. 1292 00:48:35,350 --> 00:48:39,510 You could say, um, you could say all, 1293 00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:43,330 all the billionaires in the, in the U 1294 00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:47,290 S are responsible for contributing X number of 1295 00:48:47,290 --> 00:48:48,670 jobs to the economy. 1296 00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:50,270 Well, okay. 1297 00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:52,230 Let me, like you could do that with 1298 00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:52,670 anything. 1299 00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:53,330 I mean, come on. 1300 00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:55,770 I was, I was drilling down in their 1301 00:48:55,770 --> 00:48:58,070 report and I'm like, do you include the 1302 00:48:58,070 --> 00:49:00,550 people who, uh, work at, in Australia at 1303 00:49:00,550 --> 00:49:01,170 Roadcaster? 1304 00:49:01,470 --> 00:49:02,770 I mean, you know, how far do you 1305 00:49:02,770 --> 00:49:03,310 want to go? 1306 00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:05,430 How far do you want to go? 1307 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:07,330 So, yeah. 1308 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:09,790 But to me it sounded like, well, we're 1309 00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:11,190 having a tough time making money, but look 1310 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:12,770 how good we are for everybody. 1311 00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:16,270 Please don't, please don't, please don't split us 1312 00:49:16,270 --> 00:49:16,970 off from Google. 1313 00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:18,730 Please don't, please don't. 1314 00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:19,790 We're good for everybody. 1315 00:49:20,570 --> 00:49:24,150 I still think that if they were highly 1316 00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:27,150 profitable, they would be talking about it nonstop 1317 00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:28,990 in their, in their quarterly. 1318 00:49:29,810 --> 00:49:30,750 Of course they would. 1319 00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:31,850 Of course they would. 1320 00:49:32,050 --> 00:49:33,210 It would be the fact that they don't 1321 00:49:33,210 --> 00:49:34,090 tell you that they're not. 1322 00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:34,350 Yeah. 1323 00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:34,530 Yeah. 1324 00:49:34,530 --> 00:49:35,090 I agree. 1325 00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:35,750 I agree. 1326 00:49:37,390 --> 00:49:39,450 It's a good day in podcast land, Dave 1327 00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:39,830 Jones. 1328 00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:41,450 It is. 1329 00:49:41,610 --> 00:49:43,130 It is a very good day in podcast 1330 00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:43,450 land. 1331 00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:44,390 I like it. 1332 00:49:45,570 --> 00:49:51,190 And, and, um, you know, I, I'm just 1333 00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:54,690 happy for, I'm happy for everybody involved. 1334 00:49:56,270 --> 00:50:00,910 From, from, uh, you know, from the smallest 1335 00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:05,990 podcast app, all the way up through Apple 1336 00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:09,930 and the hosting companies, the self hosters, the 1337 00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:16,090 self hosters, everybody, everybody who has, everybody who's 1338 00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:21,450 taken their own time to contribute to, you 1339 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:24,990 know, to furthering what, what we're all trying 1340 00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:25,670 to do here. 1341 00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:28,290 That's, this is, this is ever, this is 1342 00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:29,210 a win for everybody. 1343 00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:31,290 Big time, big time. 1344 00:50:31,290 --> 00:50:33,690 And it's, and it's good because now people 1345 00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:34,930 are talking differently. 1346 00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:38,850 The defeatists like YouTube, you know, research says 1347 00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:42,050 YouTube video, the market wants video. 1348 00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:43,390 The kids don't listen. 1349 00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:46,990 And I hope Spotify gets off the video 1350 00:50:46,990 --> 00:50:48,190 tip cause that's dumb too. 1351 00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:49,430 And they're going to waste all their money 1352 00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:49,830 on that. 1353 00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:51,990 They, they, they're good at that. 1354 00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:53,250 They're good at wasting money. 1355 00:50:53,830 --> 00:50:54,050 Yeah. 1356 00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:57,630 Nobody can compete with, with the YouTube behemoth. 1357 00:50:57,690 --> 00:50:59,610 It's just, just stop. 1358 00:50:59,690 --> 00:51:03,890 And, what Spotify, Spotify, now that they have 1359 00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:08,270 decided to, now that they've decided to play, 1360 00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:12,590 uh, to play in the 2.0 sandbox, 1361 00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:18,970 they should just, honestly, just let the video 1362 00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:21,070 thing right off and to be, and to 1363 00:51:21,070 --> 00:51:24,070 be whatever it wants to be and focus 1364 00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:28,450 on, uh, adding great double down on already 1365 00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:28,830 exists. 1366 00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:29,070 Yeah. 1367 00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:30,110 Double down on it. 1368 00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:30,550 Exactly. 1369 00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:33,690 You know, they, only a year ago. 1370 00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:34,470 Oh, we're audio. 1371 00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:35,450 We're an audio platform. 1372 00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:36,430 We got audio books. 1373 00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:38,130 We got a, we got podcasts, we got 1374 00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:39,330 music, we got it all. 1375 00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:41,250 You'll always, you're always going to be a 1376 00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:41,950 music platform. 1377 00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:43,870 It's just, there's no money in it for 1378 00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:44,090 them. 1379 00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:45,190 Right. 1380 00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:46,710 I mean, there's money in it, but whenever 1381 00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:48,750 they start to make more money than the, 1382 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:51,570 uh, owners of the content, just raise the 1383 00:51:51,570 --> 00:51:51,990 price. 1384 00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:53,730 Right. 1385 00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:54,110 Yeah. 1386 00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:55,730 And so then it goes away again. 1387 00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:58,910 Um, but yeah, I just doubled down and 1388 00:51:58,910 --> 00:52:01,610 become a double down and become a really 1389 00:52:01,610 --> 00:52:03,990 good podcast listening app. 1390 00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:04,410 Yeah. 1391 00:52:04,610 --> 00:52:05,710 It's going to be hard for them. 1392 00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:06,630 It's not in their DNA. 1393 00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:08,010 You're right. 1394 00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:10,330 It is, but they can, they can be 1395 00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:10,610 better. 1396 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:11,830 They can be so much better. 1397 00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:12,270 Yeah. 1398 00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:14,510 But we also thought that they would never 1399 00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:16,270 do 2.0 and they did. 1400 00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:18,990 So people can change, you know, I don't 1401 00:52:18,990 --> 00:52:20,530 know if we never thought it, you know, 1402 00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:21,970 I'm not so sure. 1403 00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:24,530 No, I mean, we, we said they would 1404 00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:27,390 eventually, but I mean, like we, we never 1405 00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:31,430 said like, we tend to just be so 1406 00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:35,410 pessimistic and people surprise, people will surprise you. 1407 00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:36,410 Yeah. 1408 00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:38,310 I don't think you or I have ever 1409 00:52:38,310 --> 00:52:39,010 really been pessimistic. 1410 00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,290 I think we've been nothing but optimistic. 1411 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:44,850 We're still doing this, this podcast. 1412 00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:46,730 Oh yeah. 1413 00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:47,090 Right. 1414 00:52:47,130 --> 00:52:48,630 If we didn't have optimism, we would be, 1415 00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:50,650 we wouldn't be doing this podcast for five 1416 00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:50,970 years. 1417 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:51,810 Yeah, exactly. 1418 00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:52,690 Exactly. 1419 00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:58,330 Hey, I mean, like I am, I'm eternally 1420 00:52:58,330 --> 00:52:59,610 optimistic about this stuff. 1421 00:52:59,710 --> 00:53:04,030 I mean, I, I had, I believe for, 1422 00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:07,510 for sure that Apple will do the funding 1423 00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:07,890 tag. 1424 00:53:07,930 --> 00:53:09,970 I think they're going to do live and 1425 00:53:09,970 --> 00:53:11,450 I think they'll support the live item. 1426 00:53:11,590 --> 00:53:13,250 Oh, they would be so crazy not to 1427 00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:13,670 do that. 1428 00:53:14,130 --> 00:53:16,830 I mean, that's such an obvious, easy win 1429 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:17,370 for them. 1430 00:53:17,590 --> 00:53:21,610 And, you know, there's so many radio stations 1431 00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:24,770 that would just love to be in, in 1432 00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:26,150 the Apple podcast app. 1433 00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:29,050 It's like, yeah, put my stream in man. 1434 00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:30,570 Let me, let me create a feed. 1435 00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:31,330 You got it. 1436 00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:31,950 I'm in. 1437 00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:35,430 And that'll, that'll create more business for hosting 1438 00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:35,930 companies. 1439 00:53:36,030 --> 00:53:37,610 All kinds of good stuff comes from that. 1440 00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:39,670 I think it was Sam the other day 1441 00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:42,730 that mentioned, I think he said something sort 1442 00:53:42,730 --> 00:53:45,930 of pessimistic about Apple's adoption of, of something. 1443 00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:52,710 And you know, it, this in this, this 1444 00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:54,610 is not just Apple, but this is all 1445 00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:55,490 these big companies. 1446 00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:56,630 This is Spotify included. 1447 00:53:58,010 --> 00:54:04,610 Um, this, the developers inside these companies, they 1448 00:54:04,610 --> 00:54:07,030 like doing cool things. 1449 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:07,870 Yeah. 1450 00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:11,630 And they're just, they're just, um, and like 1451 00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:16,230 Apple podcasts specifically, that is the Apple podcast. 1452 00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:22,500 That team is sort of like a, it's 1453 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:25,680 like a, a vestigial tail on the, on 1454 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,700 this huge corporate behemoth. 1455 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,360 They, they, I think they are a group 1456 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,280 of people who genuinely love RSS. 1457 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:36,080 Yeah. 1458 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,600 And opens in the, in the open standards 1459 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,620 and they want these, they want to do 1460 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:45,020 cool stuff with RSS. 1461 00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:47,900 There just happened to be embedded in a 1462 00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:52,000 gigantic corporation that moves at just a glacial 1463 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:52,520 pace. 1464 00:54:52,820 --> 00:54:52,920 Yeah. 1465 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,300 And they have to align their interests with 1466 00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:58,600 the release cycles of the rest of the 1467 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,280 company and all these things. 1468 00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:02,260 It's just, it's just a big, it's just 1469 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:03,260 a hard thing to do. 1470 00:55:03,380 --> 00:55:03,560 Yeah. 1471 00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:05,720 But the people involved, I think, no, I 1472 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:09,540 think they absolutely do, do care about moving 1473 00:55:09,540 --> 00:55:10,300 things forward. 1474 00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:13,380 And, uh, in an open standards way. 1475 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:15,500 And I think spot, you know, Spotify just 1476 00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:16,440 proved that as well. 1477 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,440 But, you know, obviously pocket casts, you know, 1478 00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:22,380 does it, while we're talking about, you know, 1479 00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:24,920 automatics, a big company, I think these big 1480 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,040 companies all, they, they have people in them 1481 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,440 that look, that are, that love RSS and 1482 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,120 open standards. 1483 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,220 So I, I'm eternally optimistic about that stuff. 1484 00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:37,880 And in the meantime, you got, you know, 1485 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160 you got the, the, the scrappy 2.0, 1486 00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,700 you know, upstart apps that are just like 1487 00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:44,520 flying all over the place, doing all kinds 1488 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,260 of killer stuff. 1489 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:45,740 Yeah. 1490 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,580 And being promoted. 1491 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:47,720 Yeah. 1492 00:55:48,060 --> 00:55:49,320 And being used. 1493 00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:50,620 Yeah. 1494 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,360 Franco put in live support. 1495 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,940 And he's going to be on the show 1496 00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:55,980 next week, by the way. 1497 00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:56,360 Yes. 1498 00:55:56,660 --> 00:55:57,220 I saw that. 1499 00:55:57,860 --> 00:55:59,700 Franco put in live support to cast a 1500 00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:00,060 manic. 1501 00:56:01,420 --> 00:56:03,220 He's one guy with a day job. 1502 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:04,980 He's a doctor. 1503 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:05,380 Dim. 1504 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,280 He's not a podcast developer. 1505 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:07,720 Damn it. 1506 00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:08,400 He's a doctor. 1507 00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:10,300 He's one. 1508 00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,440 He's a, he's a physician who does this, 1509 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,720 who writes cast a manic on the side. 1510 00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:17,740 If he can do it, then the rest 1511 00:56:17,740 --> 00:56:19,400 of them have no, you know, they, they 1512 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,740 absolutely can do it. 1513 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:23,420 And man, when, when they start looking at 1514 00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:26,240 pod ping, everybody's going to win so big. 1515 00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:28,560 Cause right now, you know, the 2.0 1516 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,580 apps are eating your lunch. 1517 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,720 I mean, every single show I say you 1518 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,300 want to get a 2.0 app because 1519 00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:35,160 you will be notified. 1520 00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:37,500 When we go live, you get the live 1521 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:39,580 stream right there in your podcast app. 1522 00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:41,280 If you can't listen live, no problem. 1523 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,960 90 seconds after I published the podcast, it's 1524 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:44,560 on your app. 1525 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:47,800 You don't have to wait 15 minutes or 1526 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,880 four hours for any of the legacy apps 1527 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,540 to catch up and people respond and they 1528 00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:53,960 like it. 1529 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:54,360 Like, yeah. 1530 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,700 And by the way, I think the, the 1531 00:56:57,700 --> 00:57:01,000 research showed the signal, the signal Hill insights 1532 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,360 that people don't just use one app. 1533 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,720 Oh, how about that? 1534 00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:08,240 They don't. 1535 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,800 They use more than one app. 1536 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,980 And Hey, there's stuff that I just hit 1537 00:57:11,980 --> 00:57:13,580 the link on the, on the website. 1538 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,600 There's all kinds of people listening in different 1539 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,100 ways. 1540 00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:18,300 It's not just, you know, I got my 1541 00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:18,960 one radio. 1542 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:19,880 That's what I'm using. 1543 00:57:20,060 --> 00:57:22,780 No, people use different apps for different podcasts 1544 00:57:22,780 --> 00:57:23,880 for different reasons. 1545 00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:25,980 It may be just organizational. 1546 00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:28,340 Like here's where I put all these and 1547 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:28,900 I use it. 1548 00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:31,240 You can't fight the research. 1549 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:32,040 It's in the numbers. 1550 00:57:32,780 --> 00:57:35,800 I pulled up, uh, I pulled up cast 1551 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:36,560 thematic this morning. 1552 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,200 It's my daily driver when I went, I 1553 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,120 started to go on my walk and, uh, 1554 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,300 so I pull, I pulled it up. 1555 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,180 I'm like, I'm going to, I'm going to 1556 00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:48,240 listen to power, power, power. 1557 00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:52,440 And I noticed when I opened it up, 1558 00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:55,820 it said, uh, so what Franco's doing, he's 1559 00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:57,440 got a really cool thing where it'll show 1560 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,740 you like what's coming up. 1561 00:57:58,780 --> 00:57:59,660 What's coming up live. 1562 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,040 Yeah. 1563 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:01,960 But it's in a plate. 1564 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:04,060 Like you, your playlist, he's got your playlist 1565 00:58:04,060 --> 00:58:06,100 at the top and it'll every night. 1566 00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:08,720 If there's a live episode, if there's an 1567 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,680 episode you subscribe to this currently or a 1568 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,700 podcast described to this currently live, or if 1569 00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:16,780 there's one pending, it will pop up a 1570 00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:18,560 new playlist called live. 1571 00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:20,220 Oh, that's kind of cool. 1572 00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:22,300 You just tap into the playlist and you'll 1573 00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:22,780 see it there. 1574 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,860 And it was like, and I opened it 1575 00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:27,200 up and I saw the live playlist. 1576 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,960 I'm like, Oh, what's I wonder what's live. 1577 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:30,920 And I tapped it and it was us. 1578 00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:31,360 Yeah. 1579 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:31,660 Yeah. 1580 00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:33,460 Cause I actually put it into the feed 1581 00:58:33,460 --> 00:58:34,180 early today. 1582 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:35,200 Yeah. 1583 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,240 And it was said pending. 1584 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,280 I was like, Oh, well that's cool. 1585 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:38,660 Yeah. 1586 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,340 Pending. 1587 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:41,120 We're pending patent pending. 1588 00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:42,740 Every app should do this. 1589 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:43,040 Yes. 1590 00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:43,880 Every single. 1591 00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:44,220 Yes. 1592 00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:45,100 It's beautiful. 1593 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,140 You okay? 1594 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,480 Hang on a second. 1595 00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:57,240 Oh, what's wrong? 1596 00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:58,060 Pod Sage. 1597 00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:59,040 He's parched. 1598 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,040 The pod is parched. 1599 00:59:01,420 --> 00:59:01,680 You okay? 1600 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:02,820 I'm going to take a drink here too. 1601 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:03,180 Yeah. 1602 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:03,580 All right. 1603 00:59:07,290 --> 00:59:07,730 Sorry. 1604 00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:10,350 I'm, I was struggling through that. 1605 00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:10,810 You okay? 1606 00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:11,870 Yeah. 1607 00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:16,710 I had a, I had some, some almonds 1608 00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:17,550 that went down the wrong. 1609 00:59:17,630 --> 00:59:18,210 Oh no. 1610 00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:18,890 Oh no. 1611 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:22,940 All right. 1612 00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:23,200 I'm good. 1613 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:23,560 You're good. 1614 00:59:23,740 --> 00:59:24,020 Okay. 1615 00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:24,420 You're good. 1616 00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:25,220 Yeah. 1617 00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:25,480 I'm sorry. 1618 00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:27,520 So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a beautiful, 1619 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,220 beautiful, beautiful feature. 1620 00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:30,680 It really is. 1621 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,160 I, and I love it. 1622 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,140 I use it for, for two shows three 1623 00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:36,860 times a week. 1624 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:44,980 And yeah, we need to, um, should we 1625 00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:47,060 talk, should we talk about it? 1626 00:59:47,060 --> 00:59:48,000 What are we gonna talk about? 1627 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,900 Should we talk about images? 1628 00:59:51,140 --> 00:59:51,880 What do I talk about? 1629 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,380 I'm thinking that, uh, you know, so I 1630 00:59:56,380 --> 01:00:00,240 started talking with Nathan about images tag and 1631 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,380 we're, we're going to try to develop a 1632 01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:10,840 set of examples that show uh, show how 1633 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,760 to the power of this tag. 1634 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:13,720 Okay. 1635 01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:19,020 And I wondered, do you fully understand what 1636 01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:21,800 it is or what it can be right 1637 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,620 now? 1638 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,360 Nope. 1639 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:23,740 Nope. 1640 01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:24,720 Absolutely not. 1641 01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:26,920 I checked out of that a long time 1642 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:27,240 ago. 1643 01:00:28,420 --> 01:00:29,740 Which is a good at this. 1644 01:00:30,020 --> 01:00:31,580 Here's what I think it is. 1645 01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:33,620 Uh, to me, it's similar to the funding 1646 01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:36,740 tag conversation, but I can have different types 1647 01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:39,040 of images that will show up and we'll 1648 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,680 give the app, the apps, the ability to 1649 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,740 display different images in different ways to make 1650 01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:46,520 it more interesting. 1651 01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,780 Does that, is that anywhere close to what 1652 01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:51,280 it is? 1653 01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:52,360 Yes. 1654 01:00:52,420 --> 01:00:53,280 So I could have a banner. 1655 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,500 I could have a square icon. 1656 01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,760 I could have a hero sandwich, whatever. 1657 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,000 I can have all these different things if 1658 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,240 I upload those different size and style images. 1659 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:11,620 That's one that yes, but, but it's, I 1660 01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:16,040 would describe it a little differently than that. 1661 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,200 Uh, in some aspects. 1662 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,100 Well, you are the pod Sage, so I 1663 01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,120 expect no less. 1664 01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:24,340 Yes. 1665 01:01:24,380 --> 01:01:24,520 Right. 1666 01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:28,680 So what you're saying is not wrong. 1667 01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:31,040 You're absolutely correct. 1668 01:01:33,580 --> 01:01:37,260 But the, one of the real sort of 1669 01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:42,820 powerful ways to use this tag is that 1670 01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:46,160 you can target specific apps. 1671 01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:50,700 Oh, so, so if I'm a, if, if 1672 01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:54,780 I'm a, if I'm the marketing team for, 1673 01:01:54,780 --> 01:02:00,980 uh, I don't know, um, smart list, the 1674 01:02:00,980 --> 01:02:01,740 smart list bucket. 1675 01:02:01,860 --> 01:02:02,340 Wow. 1676 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:02,780 That hurts. 1677 01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:03,260 I'm the market. 1678 01:02:03,260 --> 01:02:03,380 Okay. 1679 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:03,720 Yeah. 1680 01:02:03,860 --> 01:02:04,240 All right. 1681 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,100 Well, I'm, I'm, there's, there's a reason I'm 1682 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,120 not using you or any of your stuff. 1683 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:11,200 Smart list. 1684 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,020 Those guys are great. 1685 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:12,320 Yes. 1686 01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:13,120 Yeah. 1687 01:02:13,460 --> 01:02:15,360 If I'm the mark, because they actually have 1688 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,280 a marketing team, you, you, there's no such 1689 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:17,820 thing as that. 1690 01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:20,580 They sure have a marketing team. 1691 01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:20,880 Yes. 1692 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,380 So if you're the marketing team for smart 1693 01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:29,560 list, you and you have, uh, all kinds 1694 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:34,560 of image assets that you, that you want 1695 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,240 to use. 1696 01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,700 You go and you go through and you 1697 01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:40,700 start looking at your podcast and all these 1698 01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:43,500 different apps, you start pulling up your show. 1699 01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:47,340 You may want to see like what you, 1700 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,960 what you might want is, Oh, I see 1701 01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:57,240 that this particular app has space for this 1702 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,860 type of image at the top, like a 1703 01:02:59,860 --> 01:03:00,200 banner. 1704 01:03:01,580 --> 01:03:04,760 So the B the best example of this 1705 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,620 are not best, but one example of this 1706 01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:15,440 is Apple podcasts, uh, web, uh, client. 1707 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,640 So if we do, let me put this 1708 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,600 in the boardroom, I'll paste it over here. 1709 01:03:22,580 --> 01:03:24,120 So this is just an, this is an 1710 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,900 example of their, of a channel in, in 1711 01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:28,680 the Apple podcast web client. 1712 01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:29,860 Okay. 1713 01:03:30,060 --> 01:03:31,740 And I'm sure, I'm sure it probably looks 1714 01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:32,320 similar. 1715 01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:33,920 And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1716 01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,200 Okay. 1717 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:34,740 I got you. 1718 01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:35,120 Yeah. 1719 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:35,460 Yeah. 1720 01:03:35,460 --> 01:03:37,280 So I could, I could target this with 1721 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,680 that banner at the top. 1722 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:39,600 Right. 1723 01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:42,480 And they have a specific, they have a 1724 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,220 specific documentation of what size that banner is 1725 01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:47,800 supposed to be. 1726 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,060 Focus needs to work on that because it's 1727 01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:50,760 kind of tiny. 1728 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,380 Oh, it's terrible. 1729 01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:53,600 Yeah. 1730 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,520 They need to get the team on that. 1731 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,300 So in, in for this, for this, uh, 1732 01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,160 specific use case, this like, we're looking at 1733 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,480 focus on the family's channel on Apple podcasts. 1734 01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:10,620 They, that is an image. 1735 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,380 I'm almost a hundred percent positive that image. 1736 01:04:13,380 --> 01:04:15,820 They have to upload through Apple. 1737 01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:16,760 Oh, sure. 1738 01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:17,520 Apple's. 1739 01:04:17,580 --> 01:04:17,720 Yeah. 1740 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:17,900 Yeah. 1741 01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,180 The, the, the podcast connect. 1742 01:04:20,460 --> 01:04:21,220 Yes. 1743 01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:25,700 So imagine that you can do this essentially 1744 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:26,800 the same thing. 1745 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:33,360 You can deliver a non-standard podcast image 1746 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,260 like this, but you can target a specific 1747 01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:38,680 use case. 1748 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,600 So you can say somehow in the XML 1749 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,520 tag, you could say, look, here's an image 1750 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:50,260 for Apple podcast channels, or here's an image 1751 01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:54,080 for true fans, background banner. 1752 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:54,660 Right. 1753 01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:54,900 Okay. 1754 01:04:55,020 --> 01:04:55,240 Yeah. 1755 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,300 I'm, I'm, I'm with you. 1756 01:04:56,380 --> 01:04:58,480 And where, where does this repo live for 1757 01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,900 all these, uh, targets? 1758 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,540 Well, that's, that's defined in the spec. 1759 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,060 So we have, we have that in the, 1760 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,980 it's in the proposed images, tag spec. 1761 01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:10,760 Okay. 1762 01:05:11,140 --> 01:05:14,620 And so then you could go through, you 1763 01:05:14,620 --> 01:05:16,500 know, a marketing team could go through and 1764 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:19,140 say, okay, here's, here's the asset for this. 1765 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,720 I think, I think I just heard, I 1766 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,580 just think I just heard a Ted Haasman 1767 01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:29,760 pop a chubby and I'll tell you why. 1768 01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:30,580 I'll tell you why. 1769 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:31,460 I'll tell you why. 1770 01:05:31,740 --> 01:05:35,940 The beard curled up because he is such 1771 01:05:35,940 --> 01:05:36,760 a sweet man. 1772 01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:40,700 So from, because I'm using sovereign feeds and 1773 01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:42,380 for a whole bunch of different reasons, and 1774 01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:44,600 it's just, it's a complicated post post-production 1775 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,360 process because it's not, you know, a swanky 1776 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,220 swift automated system. 1777 01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:57,840 I sometimes will accidentally upload the 512 by 1778 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,720 512 image into the feed instead of the 1779 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,520 1400 by 1400, which on Apple podcast is 1780 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:05,660 an automatic reject. 1781 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,520 The Europe, your episode will not appear if 1782 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,040 you don't have the right size image. 1783 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:11,320 Right. 1784 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,120 And that man is so sweet because I 1785 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,540 know he listens to the show and he'll 1786 01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:18,980 email me and said, I approved it, but 1787 01:06:18,980 --> 01:06:19,660 could you fix it? 1788 01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,100 So he sees the reject coming and then 1789 01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,000 he says, ah, just put it through. 1790 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,240 And then he emails me and I fixed 1791 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:27,540 the fee. 1792 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,120 This happened. 1793 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:28,640 It happens. 1794 01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:30,000 It's been six months. 1795 01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,220 It happened just two weeks ago. 1796 01:06:31,860 --> 01:06:33,280 He's got his hand on the knob. 1797 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,320 He's ready to punch it through. 1798 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,040 That's his hand on the knob. 1799 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:39,400 Okay. 1800 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:40,000 Yes. 1801 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,840 So I'm sure that when he, and he 1802 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,160 works at Apple in the podcast division somewhere. 1803 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,200 So when he looks at this, this example 1804 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,000 you gave a focus on the family, I 1805 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,100 bet he's just like, Oh, this sucks so 1806 01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:53,440 bad. 1807 01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:55,480 It makes our stuff look like crap. 1808 01:06:55,780 --> 01:06:56,300 Yeah. 1809 01:06:56,580 --> 01:06:56,760 Yeah. 1810 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,520 So to have that be able to be 1811 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,700 done properly at the production end, at the, 1812 01:07:04,700 --> 01:07:07,560 at the, the program production end is a 1813 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:07,940 dream. 1814 01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,120 This is exactly what they want. 1815 01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:12,000 And every single app should, can, you know, 1816 01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:12,720 now, yes. 1817 01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:13,420 Okay. 1818 01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:15,280 Image tag is great. 1819 01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:17,560 I love it. 1820 01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:19,240 Here's, here's another example. 1821 01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:21,300 Here's a better example that where the image 1822 01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:22,400 is not garbage. 1823 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,640 The, the 2020 true crime channel from ABC. 1824 01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:32,420 That, that's a better, better sort of banner. 1825 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:33,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1826 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,800 So you can imagine. 1827 01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:38,900 So now we put these things together and 1828 01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:41,140 we say, all right, you got a publisher 1829 01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:41,660 feed. 1830 01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:43,720 That's going to be an art. 1831 01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:45,560 That's an RSS feed with a medium equals 1832 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,000 publisher. 1833 01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:52,180 And here's the image tag for that. 1834 01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:54,280 Well that now you've just built a channel, 1835 01:07:54,860 --> 01:07:58,340 you know, you've just built a channel with 1836 01:07:58,340 --> 01:08:02,640 appropriate image artwork, and links to your different 1837 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,880 pro to your different, uh, your different shows. 1838 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,100 I'm already listening to bad rap the case 1839 01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:08,780 against Diddy. 1840 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,700 So just keep talking. 1841 01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:10,700 Okay. 1842 01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:16,740 Um, the, so that's the, that's sort of 1843 01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:18,300 the gist of this thing is you can, 1844 01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:21,819 you can get really specific and begin to, 1845 01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:27,760 it's a two way street, um, uh, platforms 1846 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:33,640 and apps and services who have specific styles 1847 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,540 can add this art work and add this 1848 01:08:35,540 --> 01:08:36,439 to the spec. 1849 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:42,260 Yeah, they, they can define their spec publicly. 1850 01:08:42,580 --> 01:08:45,660 If it's not already, then we can take 1851 01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:48,640 that spec or they can hopefully with their 1852 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,359 help to define sort of the, the, the 1853 01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,620 naming convention to how to define it. 1854 01:08:54,979 --> 01:08:55,079 Right. 1855 01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:56,380 What it does. 1856 01:08:56,660 --> 01:08:56,779 Yeah. 1857 01:08:57,380 --> 01:08:58,140 Yeah. 1858 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,359 And then as, and then the content creator 1859 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:05,939 can, can create that artwork and deliver it. 1860 01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:10,540 So in this, because there's a fine line 1861 01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:17,899 here, um, um, you, app developers want their 1862 01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:21,000 apps to look and behave in a certain 1863 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:21,380 way. 1864 01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:24,640 And they're not going to seed control over 1865 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,080 that. 1866 01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:25,399 No. 1867 01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:29,600 To some other, they're not going to, they're 1868 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,160 not going to let a creator restyle the 1869 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,080 interface for their app. 1870 01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:34,760 That's just, I mean, that's dumb. 1871 01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:36,460 They're not going to let, they're not going 1872 01:09:36,460 --> 01:09:41,100 to do that, but it can't, but there 1873 01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:45,180 is a balancing thing that happens there where 1874 01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:49,580 the app developer does really need there to 1875 01:09:49,580 --> 01:09:53,500 be specific high quality image images to make 1876 01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:54,520 it, to make it look cool. 1877 01:09:54,620 --> 01:09:54,760 Yeah. 1878 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:55,260 Of course. 1879 01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:55,860 Of course. 1880 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,380 Right. 1881 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,520 I mean, we, we've run into that with 1882 01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:59,300 the Godcaster app. 1883 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,620 I mean, there's some of the artworks just 1884 01:10:00,620 --> 01:10:03,480 terrible and it looks and it comes through 1885 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:04,640 and it looks like garbage. 1886 01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:06,780 So there's a, there's sort of a, a 1887 01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:10,460 balance that has to happen where, and I 1888 01:10:10,460 --> 01:10:12,440 think this respects that balance. 1889 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,920 It says, here's a, it says, I know 1890 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,680 you want this kind of, Hey app, Hey, 1891 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:20,240 true fans. 1892 01:10:20,340 --> 01:10:22,100 I know you want this type of artwork. 1893 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,540 I'm going to give it to you. 1894 01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:30,440 Hey, um, Spotify, pocket casts overcast. 1895 01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,060 I know y'all want these dimensions. 1896 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:33,840 These look really good in your app here. 1897 01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:35,720 Here's those pieces of art. 1898 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,740 And also here's sort of like fallback art 1899 01:10:39,740 --> 01:10:42,580 for more generic use cases. 1900 01:10:43,220 --> 01:10:43,320 Right. 1901 01:10:43,420 --> 01:10:45,420 So you can sort of like, like blanket, 1902 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,660 I think all of the different possibilities. 1903 01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:48,980 I think what will come out of this 1904 01:10:48,980 --> 01:10:53,500 is we'll, we'll have an array of, uh, 1905 01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:57,960 of image sizes, types and uses. 1906 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,160 And that will, some, I think that'll kind 1907 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,480 of become standardized, uh, but it doesn't have 1908 01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:03,820 to be. 1909 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,340 And that's what, that's what I like about 1910 01:11:05,340 --> 01:11:05,520 it. 1911 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,160 It's like, okay, I want to use this. 1912 01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:09,840 Here's how I want to display the podcast. 1913 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,400 It's going to change podcast apps. 1914 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:12,120 It's going to be great. 1915 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:13,560 This is a very good feature. 1916 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:14,560 I like it a lot. 1917 01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:16,360 I think so too. 1918 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:18,720 It's, it's, I'm pretty, I'm pretty jazzed about 1919 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:18,880 it. 1920 01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,820 And what needs to happen though, before, that's 1921 01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:23,800 one of the reason I asked you at 1922 01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,620 the beginning, what do you think this thing 1923 01:11:25,620 --> 01:11:25,860 is? 1924 01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:29,240 Because this is going to be a tricky 1925 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,660 thing to explain to people. 1926 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,720 And so, um, I want like, so what, 1927 01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:38,500 well, here's, here's the great news. 1928 01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:39,500 If I may interject. 1929 01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:40,060 Yeah. 1930 01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:40,260 Yeah. 1931 01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:40,460 Go ahead. 1932 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:41,240 The great news. 1933 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,040 We already have a very popular podcast client, 1934 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,980 namely the Apple podcast app, which by the 1935 01:11:47,980 --> 01:11:49,680 way, has liquid glass. 1936 01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:50,680 It's gorgeous. 1937 01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:57,440 Um, that thing that I'm sorry, but that 1938 01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:58,400 thing's a train wreck. 1939 01:11:58,500 --> 01:11:59,580 It's gorgeous. 1940 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,080 That just, it's so gorgeous. 1941 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,320 Some of those controls are woo. 1942 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:03,780 Yeah. 1943 01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:07,100 So we already have an app that we 1944 01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:08,900 could, if, if they would just give us 1945 01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:12,220 a naming convention, otherwise we'll make one up. 1946 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,660 Uh, and people could already start using that 1947 01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:16,200 for Apple. 1948 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,880 And if we start pushing it, I guarantee 1949 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,520 you, Apple's going to go, Hey, what's this? 1950 01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:22,080 Well, let's put this in here. 1951 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:22,840 That's much better. 1952 01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:25,120 Don't you think? 1953 01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:26,540 Oh, for sure. 1954 01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:29,980 Um, and, and the other place, this is 1955 01:12:29,980 --> 01:12:33,940 great is that most, uh, podcast apps also 1956 01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:36,180 have a web version and those web versions 1957 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:38,980 tend to have like sort of, because they're 1958 01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:42,240 not mobile constrained, they have like a, a 1959 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,100 bigger, they have bigger, wider layouts that need 1960 01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:48,040 more coverage. 1961 01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,380 And so that, you know, would naturally lead 1962 01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:53,740 itself to be something like, Hey man, give 1963 01:12:53,740 --> 01:12:54,760 it, give it to me. 1964 01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:57,200 I'll publish it, but I'll start publishing it. 1965 01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:57,840 I'll put it in. 1966 01:12:58,260 --> 01:13:00,400 We have, we have artists who make the 1967 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,240 craziest stuff. 1968 01:13:01,300 --> 01:13:02,560 I'll change it every episode. 1969 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,260 Um, let's see, let me look at, uh, 1970 01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:07,820 here's what, yeah. 1971 01:13:07,940 --> 01:13:08,180 Okay. 1972 01:13:08,180 --> 01:13:11,800 So like a podcast guru, they're, they're, they're 1973 01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,100 web version has a big bang, you know, 1974 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:15,460 has like a big banner area at the 1975 01:13:15,460 --> 01:13:16,060 top of it. 1976 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:16,920 Okay. 1977 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,840 You know, um, and Nathan's right. 1978 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,760 A lot, like a lot of these apps, 1979 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,800 true fans does this fountain, does it a 1980 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,880 podcast guru is doing it. 1981 01:13:26,460 --> 01:13:28,300 It's just a big blurry version of the 1982 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:30,900 album art that, that kind of becomes the 1983 01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:31,440 background. 1984 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,680 It would be so much cooler if that 1985 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:35,880 was actual art. 1986 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:36,960 Yeah. 1987 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:38,880 Take a look. 1988 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:42,380 So no agenda could do that right away 1989 01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:44,520 because we have people doing, Oh yeah, that 1990 01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,620 blue, that whole, so yeah, he's basically taking 1991 01:13:46,620 --> 01:13:48,460 the image and using a version of it 1992 01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:49,960 as a blurry banner, but it could be 1993 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:50,900 something fantastic. 1994 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:51,900 Yeah. 1995 01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:54,660 And it could be some high quality. 1996 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,580 And then, so what we need in order 1997 01:13:57,580 --> 01:14:01,100 to get this thing, uh, I think, I 1998 01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:02,840 think me and Nathan are sort of in 1999 01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:03,780 agreement about this. 2000 01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:06,780 I think what we need in order to 2001 01:14:06,780 --> 01:14:09,740 get this over the finish line is we 2002 01:14:09,740 --> 01:14:12,820 need a set, a set of examples where 2003 01:14:12,820 --> 01:14:17,700 we can show, okay, here's, here's the definition 2004 01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:20,280 of an image tag in the, in some 2005 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:20,640 XML. 2006 01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,680 And then here's how it would be displayed 2007 01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,060 on the screen. 2008 01:14:26,020 --> 01:14:27,920 And so you can see, you can sort 2009 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,920 of, you know, I don't know how many 2010 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,180 of these examples we need. 2011 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,060 Uh, Nathan, just, he talked about, uh, building 2012 01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:38,020 some sort of a quick, like, a UI 2013 01:14:38,020 --> 01:14:41,960 to create these where you could like, you 2014 01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,600 know, put your, put your stuff in there 2015 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:45,700 and see what it looks like on the, 2016 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:46,420 on the other side. 2017 01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:48,240 So you sent, you just posted a smart 2018 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,740 list example in the chat room, the boardroom. 2019 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,520 So that could be their heads. 2020 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:55,080 Yeah. 2021 01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:55,380 Yeah. 2022 01:14:55,420 --> 01:14:56,580 It could be, it could be just fancy, 2023 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,060 you know, textual artwork. 2024 01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:58,360 Yeah. 2025 01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:58,920 Artwork. 2026 01:14:59,020 --> 01:14:59,240 Yes. 2027 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,240 Um, so yeah, I think that's, so that'll 2028 01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:05,020 be the next step. 2029 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,900 Hopefully we can, we can get something, something 2030 01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:10,920 like that pumped out, you know, and, and 2031 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,680 not have it take forever. 2032 01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:14,680 Uh, but that, I think that's where we're 2033 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:15,360 headed with this. 2034 01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:16,720 And it's, I think it's actually going to 2035 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,320 be, I mean, this is going to be 2036 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,620 one of those tags where it's going to 2037 01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:22,980 be, it'll go all the way from just 2038 01:15:22,980 --> 01:15:27,560 an H ref and that's it all the 2039 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:32,260 way up to like very specific, you know, 2040 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:39,080 uh, very specific image like hierarchy references and 2041 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:39,620 that kind of thing. 2042 01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:42,600 So, you know, it's, it's a cool, very 2043 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,400 cool, very powerful tag. 2044 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,000 By the way, the, uh, war, the war 2045 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,800 of rockets between Israel and Iran is temporarily 2046 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,220 paused for a commercial break because I'm, well, 2047 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,020 I have the quad screen up in my 2048 01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:56,540 studio. 2049 01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,520 So I have Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and BBC. 2050 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,100 They're all in commercial right now. 2051 01:16:03,540 --> 01:16:06,560 Funny enough, safe light repair, safelight.com. 2052 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,980 So if you've got broken glass Israel, so 2053 01:16:08,980 --> 01:16:10,260 it's a, it's a pause. 2054 01:16:10,460 --> 01:16:11,960 We're on a short commercial break. 2055 01:16:11,980 --> 01:16:13,540 You can start bombing again in a minute. 2056 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:14,500 It's unbelievable. 2057 01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:17,560 What was the, uh, what was that thing 2058 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,140 back in Iraq war one where like they, 2059 01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:25,160 people, uh, journalists were pretending to be in 2060 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:25,720 the war zone. 2061 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:27,340 Yeah. 2062 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,780 They were in the basement in front of 2063 01:16:28,780 --> 01:16:30,420 a, what was yes. 2064 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,820 Back when it was still a blue screen, 2065 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,740 blue screen before it became green. 2066 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:36,360 Yeah. 2067 01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,300 The, the, the scud missiles flying. 2068 01:16:38,740 --> 01:16:38,840 Yeah. 2069 01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,720 The scud, the scud hunk. 2070 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:42,580 What was his name? 2071 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,660 The scud Chad. 2072 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,480 Some guy was one of those reporters. 2073 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:48,720 He was scud guy. 2074 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:49,440 Yeah. 2075 01:16:49,620 --> 01:16:51,060 Hey, let's thank some people, Dave. 2076 01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:54,240 I'm being respectful of your time. 2077 01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:55,540 We've done a lot. 2078 01:16:55,580 --> 01:16:56,240 We've covered a lot. 2079 01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:58,020 We've, we've Arthur Kent. 2080 01:16:58,700 --> 01:16:59,740 The scud stud. 2081 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:01,340 There it is. 2082 01:17:01,420 --> 01:17:02,420 The scud stud. 2083 01:17:02,420 --> 01:17:02,920 Yeah. 2084 01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:07,740 Salty crayon comes in with 1776 freedom boost. 2085 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,640 He says, howdy boardroom. 2086 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,980 Here's some freedom sats for your ammos shortage. 2087 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:11,420 Yeah. 2088 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,380 Go podcasting. 2089 01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:13,880 Well, that'll buy a bullet. 2090 01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,000 Uh, Lyceum Martin Linda's Kog. 2091 01:17:19,060 --> 01:17:20,680 He sent a hundred sats here. 2092 01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:21,220 Good for them. 2093 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,580 Wake up call for the spot for the 2094 01:17:22,580 --> 01:17:22,760 folks. 2095 01:17:22,860 --> 01:17:24,680 I should read them in reverse order, I 2096 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:24,940 guess. 2097 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:25,560 Let me see. 2098 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,400 Because he always sends a lot free Persia 2099 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:29,440 down with the mullahs. 2100 01:17:29,580 --> 01:17:29,840 Okay. 2101 01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:32,760 Uh, Dave, what are you eating? 2102 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,060 I will test the Finnish brand poppies this 2103 01:17:35,060 --> 01:17:35,400 weekend. 2104 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,820 Blue, blue Buffalo, blue cheese, chili peanuts, mild 2105 01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:41,760 spicy snack with tango Buffalo wing and rich 2106 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:42,920 blue cheese favor. 2107 01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:47,840 I was doing a Buffalo wing pistachios, which 2108 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,060 were quite nice. 2109 01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:50,080 He almost killed you. 2110 01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:53,720 Spotify is finally taking a cue from Adam 2111 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:54,100 and Dave. 2112 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:54,880 What a surprise. 2113 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,500 Well, you know, no, it's just, it's just 2114 01:17:57,500 --> 01:17:58,400 in the feed, man. 2115 01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,840 It's just what they're seeing in the feeds. 2116 01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:00,320 That's it. 2117 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,020 Uh, one, two, three, four from Dreb Scott, 2118 01:18:04,340 --> 01:18:06,760 who of course does our chapters pre-show 2119 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,980 boost boosting and listening live from the Castamatic 2120 01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:09,260 app. 2121 01:18:09,340 --> 01:18:10,300 I go podcasting. 2122 01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,080 Oh, there it is. 2123 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:11,480 Yes. 2124 01:18:11,940 --> 01:18:12,800 And that is it. 2125 01:18:12,820 --> 01:18:13,820 There's low boostage. 2126 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,720 The boost is just low during the show. 2127 01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:18,460 Oh no, we got, we got more regular 2128 01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:20,360 boost than we do than we have normally 2129 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:20,600 does. 2130 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:21,140 So that's good. 2131 01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:21,540 Okay. 2132 01:18:21,700 --> 01:18:23,060 Um, which is what you got. 2133 01:18:23,340 --> 01:18:24,980 We got a pod verse. 2134 01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:28,260 We got, they gave us, uh, Mitch gave 2135 01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:28,920 us 50 bucks. 2136 01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:30,460 Oh, thank you very much, Mitch. 2137 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,280 That's much. 2138 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,800 And, uh, uh, Paul who's doing the, our 2139 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:39,760 app for Godcaster, he, um, he used some 2140 01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,720 of the, uh, open source code out of 2141 01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,800 the pod verse app to do the boot 2142 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:46,080 up. 2143 01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,980 Like I think he's selling the bootstrapping code. 2144 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:49,360 Yeah. 2145 01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:51,860 And he's fixed a lot of bugs in 2146 01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:52,100 it. 2147 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:53,920 And, uh, he's going to put, he said 2148 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,160 he's going to push that back upstream. 2149 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:55,940 Oh, good. 2150 01:18:56,300 --> 01:18:56,640 Yes. 2151 01:18:56,740 --> 01:18:57,320 To the pod verse. 2152 01:18:57,460 --> 01:18:57,560 Yeah. 2153 01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:57,940 Good. 2154 01:18:58,660 --> 01:19:00,400 So you expect some fixes coming. 2155 01:19:00,660 --> 01:19:04,220 Yeah, that's, um, uh, see, we got some 2156 01:19:04,220 --> 01:19:04,880 booster grams. 2157 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:05,560 We got Sue. 2158 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,640 Oh, Hey, now, see loss on Linux one, 2159 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,340 two, three, four, five, six, one, two, three, 2160 01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:15,160 four, five, six. 2161 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,500 That's 123,456 sets. 2162 01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:22,560 Bala shot Carla 20 is blaze on the 2163 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,240 Impala. 2164 01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:24,160 I love that brother. 2165 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:24,740 Thank you. 2166 01:19:24,780 --> 01:19:26,900 See loss on Linux, man. 2167 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,000 That's from fountain. 2168 01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:28,800 Nice. 2169 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,980 Sending you the same appreciation boost amount. 2170 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,860 I sent to pod news weekly review last 2171 01:19:32,860 --> 01:19:33,100 week. 2172 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,280 This whole thing is a group effort, but 2173 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,640 I don't think it would exist if you 2174 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,100 had not started the index and weren't doing 2175 01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:39,120 the boardroom every week. 2176 01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:39,800 Thanks guys. 2177 01:19:40,060 --> 01:19:41,240 It's our pleasure. 2178 01:19:41,420 --> 01:19:43,000 We do it as a public service. 2179 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:44,160 Yeah. 2180 01:19:44,220 --> 01:19:44,600 Thank you. 2181 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,300 See loss on Linux. 2182 01:19:45,460 --> 01:19:46,380 Appreciate, appreciate that. 2183 01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:51,080 Um, anonymous 5,000 sats, the pod verse, 2184 01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:54,360 please tell life spring that none of their 2185 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,480 lightning stuff is working. 2186 01:19:56,180 --> 01:19:56,620 Really? 2187 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,700 I try to boost the audio Bible rewind 2188 01:19:58,700 --> 01:20:00,580 every day and keep getting errors, both fountain 2189 01:20:00,580 --> 01:20:01,680 and Albie. 2190 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:03,880 Steve, is that Steve? 2191 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:04,280 Yes. 2192 01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:04,780 Steve Webb. 2193 01:20:04,900 --> 01:20:05,060 Yeah. 2194 01:20:05,980 --> 01:20:07,140 Steve listens to the show. 2195 01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:08,280 He'll hear this and fix it. 2196 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:09,260 Let me see. 2197 01:20:09,460 --> 01:20:10,880 Life spring. 2198 01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:12,600 Let me just see. 2199 01:20:12,820 --> 01:20:17,160 We have, I noticed, I noticed that, um, 2200 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,240 Oh, interesting. 2201 01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:20,560 So we now have, I don't know who, 2202 01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,240 who pushed this, but I like it a 2203 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,540 lot, but there's a little, uh, warning sign 2204 01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:30,040 next to the value for value block on 2205 01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,040 the podcast index page. 2206 01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:33,680 Who did that? 2207 01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:35,420 I think it was that Eric PP, I 2208 01:20:35,420 --> 01:20:39,300 think, which essentially says it's not going to 2209 01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:39,760 work. 2210 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:41,320 Yeah. 2211 01:20:42,060 --> 01:20:44,600 So I see Steve web at fountain.com 2212 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,100 is not working. 2213 01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,120 Hmm. 2214 01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:50,660 I'm good. 2215 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:51,760 Medium text. 2216 01:20:52,220 --> 01:20:53,180 You see it. 2217 01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:56,200 You see the little, uh, the little yellow 2218 01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,320 triangle with an exclamation point. 2219 01:20:58,780 --> 01:20:59,340 Yeah. 2220 01:20:59,380 --> 01:21:01,460 And I'm thinking, I'm trying to find the 2221 01:21:01,460 --> 01:21:01,960 PR. 2222 01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,260 I think that was Eric PP. 2223 01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:06,360 Check your, uh, that was Eric PP. 2224 01:21:06,540 --> 01:21:07,160 Check your nodes. 2225 01:21:07,260 --> 01:21:08,640 People check your nodes. 2226 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:10,660 No check. 2227 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:11,380 No check. 2228 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:12,280 No check. 2229 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:13,120 No check. 2230 01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:13,780 No check. 2231 01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:16,800 This is what democracy looks like. 2232 01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:18,080 Oh yes. 2233 01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:20,340 My check, my check, my check. 2234 01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:25,360 Uh, Paul Erskine, 7777 striper boost. 2235 01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:26,520 Oh, that's very nice. 2236 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,560 Little striper fountain. 2237 01:21:27,820 --> 01:21:28,380 Yes. 2238 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,360 He says, uh, I agree. 2239 01:21:31,340 --> 01:21:32,080 Well, so do we. 2240 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,980 Primary video podcasts are silly, but what I'd 2241 01:21:35,980 --> 01:21:37,980 love is for an app to have a 2242 01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:40,560 go view video function so that when I'm 2243 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,720 listening to the audio version and the people 2244 01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,000 reference something that's on the screen, I can 2245 01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,180 go to the player, it's see video and 2246 01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:48,620 it takes me somewhere to see the video 2247 01:21:48,620 --> 01:21:50,840 at the timestamp or maybe 30 seconds prior. 2248 01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:52,100 Easy to say. 2249 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:52,640 I understand. 2250 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:53,480 It's hard to implement. 2251 01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:55,800 No interesting, but list. 2252 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:56,180 Okay. 2253 01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:57,820 Here's something I've discovered. 2254 01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:58,120 Hang on. 2255 01:21:58,140 --> 01:22:00,340 Let me get my paper going to the 2256 01:22:00,340 --> 01:22:01,400 discovery desk. 2257 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,100 He is now digging around. 2258 01:22:03,180 --> 01:22:04,160 He's getting his paper. 2259 01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:05,300 He is walking back. 2260 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,300 Watch out for that peanut. 2261 01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:06,900 Okay. 2262 01:22:07,260 --> 01:22:08,100 And he's, I got it. 2263 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:08,420 Yes. 2264 01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:13,610 As part of my digging process for figuring 2265 01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:21,000 out which hosting companies declared the namespace, I've, 2266 01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:22,340 I made a discovery. 2267 01:22:22,820 --> 01:22:25,860 And I don't know if I'm rediscovering this 2268 01:22:25,860 --> 01:22:27,400 for the second time or if this is 2269 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,160 something that's truly a new discovery. 2270 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:38,090 Uh, LibriVox LibriVox declares the namespace. 2271 01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:39,890 Okay. 2272 01:22:40,030 --> 01:22:42,090 And I don't think I knew that first 2273 01:22:42,090 --> 01:22:42,830 of all. 2274 01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:43,250 All right. 2275 01:22:43,290 --> 01:22:43,650 Did you? 2276 01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:44,570 No. 2277 01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:46,270 Okay. 2278 01:22:46,450 --> 01:22:48,230 But that's not the only cool thing. 2279 01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:54,830 Go to podcast index number one seven nine 2280 01:22:54,830 --> 01:23:04,170 87 41 podcast index number one seven nine 2281 01:23:05,970 --> 01:23:10,570 one seven nine eight seven four one eight 2282 01:23:10,570 --> 01:23:13,330 seven four one coordinates locked in Henry V. 2283 01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:18,250 LibriVox Henry the fifth on LibriVox. 2284 01:23:18,930 --> 01:23:20,670 Click on, click on that. 2285 01:23:20,770 --> 01:23:21,850 Uh, click on that. 2286 01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:23,790 RSS feed RSS feed. 2287 01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:24,210 Yeah. 2288 01:23:25,690 --> 01:23:28,790 And I got to do and scroll, scroll 2289 01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:30,130 down to the first item. 2290 01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:33,530 Scroll down to the first item. 2291 01:23:33,650 --> 01:23:34,170 Yes. 2292 01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:34,830 Act one. 2293 01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:36,030 What do you, yeah. 2294 01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:37,310 What do you see there as far as 2295 01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:39,030 podcast colon stuff goes? 2296 01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:41,050 Well, I, yeah, I'm looking at the feed, 2297 01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:43,490 uh, cause it, it renders as a webpage. 2298 01:23:44,350 --> 01:23:46,010 Uh, what am I looking for here? 2299 01:23:46,430 --> 01:23:47,450 You view source on that? 2300 01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:48,070 I'm view source. 2301 01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:49,130 I'm a view source. 2302 01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:50,430 Okay. 2303 01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:53,590 In the first item, there's a podcast alternate 2304 01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:54,070 enclosure. 2305 01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:55,710 Oh, I see it. 2306 01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:56,690 Oh, how about that? 2307 01:23:57,590 --> 01:24:00,170 They are using the alternate enclosure to deliver 2308 01:24:00,170 --> 01:24:01,550 multiple bit rates. 2309 01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:02,790 Huh? 2310 01:24:03,010 --> 01:24:04,710 A high, they have a high quality and 2311 01:24:04,710 --> 01:24:05,830 a low quality. 2312 01:24:06,090 --> 01:24:06,290 They do. 2313 01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:08,250 I see it. 2314 01:24:09,150 --> 01:24:10,930 That is killer. 2315 01:24:11,230 --> 01:24:12,290 That's very cool. 2316 01:24:12,770 --> 01:24:13,810 And I did not. 2317 01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:15,790 And they also are using the podcast episode 2318 01:24:15,790 --> 01:24:16,190 tag. 2319 01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:19,070 Dang Sparky. 2320 01:24:19,690 --> 01:24:20,970 Yeah, they're on it, man. 2321 01:24:21,070 --> 01:24:21,550 That's cool. 2322 01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:21,970 Great. 2323 01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:23,010 Go LibriVox. 2324 01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:23,770 Nice. 2325 01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:24,750 Yeah. 2326 01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:27,230 Nice little, a pleasant surprise when you go 2327 01:24:27,230 --> 01:24:29,130 digging in the, in the, in the XMLs. 2328 01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:29,330 Very pleasant. 2329 01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:32,890 Podcast person, William Shakespeare. 2330 01:24:35,650 --> 01:24:36,830 Hey, it's valid. 2331 01:24:37,130 --> 01:24:37,930 It's valid. 2332 01:24:37,930 --> 01:24:39,190 It works. 2333 01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:42,950 Uh, where was I? 2334 01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:50,630 See, but, but I lost my place. 2335 01:24:50,690 --> 01:24:51,050 Oh, Paul. 2336 01:24:51,130 --> 01:24:51,250 Yeah. 2337 01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:52,030 We're on Polish again. 2338 01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:52,230 Okay. 2339 01:24:53,950 --> 01:24:56,450 So we got, uh, the ugly quacking us, 2340 01:24:56,510 --> 01:24:58,410 Bruce, the ugly quacking duck to, to, to, 2341 01:24:58,530 --> 01:25:02,210 to podcast guru of thesis is behind on 2342 01:25:02,210 --> 01:25:02,690 my listening. 2343 01:25:02,770 --> 01:25:05,390 Therefore behind on my boosts podcasts forever. 2344 01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:06,070 Yeah. 2345 01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:09,910 And we got the, uh, got the, uh, 2346 01:25:10,590 --> 01:25:11,490 common strip blogger. 2347 01:25:11,530 --> 01:25:11,730 Yeah. 2348 01:25:12,230 --> 01:25:16,430 Come straight blogger 14,250 sats through fountain. 2349 01:25:16,590 --> 01:25:19,130 He says, howdy, Adam and Dave. 2350 01:25:19,410 --> 01:25:21,750 Today I'd like to recommend a YouTube channel 2351 01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:23,210 owned by daily caller. 2352 01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:27,050 Just search in YouTube for ask America with 2353 01:25:27,050 --> 01:25:27,630 Edgar. 2354 01:25:28,410 --> 01:25:30,830 It can't be an audio only podcast because 2355 01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:34,510 it features eye candy, like sexy boobalicious ladies. 2356 01:25:35,170 --> 01:25:38,090 It's a street interview Muppet show created by 2357 01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:41,530 Roger, a former no agenda artist admired by 2358 01:25:41,530 --> 01:25:43,210 my Slavic bro Dvorak. 2359 01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:46,650 It's like triumph, the insult comic dog, but 2360 01:25:46,650 --> 01:25:47,930 with a right wing agenda. 2361 01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:48,710 Yes. 2362 01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:49,630 CSB. 2363 01:25:50,210 --> 01:25:50,530 Yeah. 2364 01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:51,610 That thing is pretty funny. 2365 01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:55,490 Roger speaking is speaking of commissioner blogger. 2366 01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:57,290 I, so I ordered, you know, we're going 2367 01:25:57,290 --> 01:26:00,590 on a, uh, backpacking trip in US three 2368 01:26:00,590 --> 01:26:03,850 Yosemite next month for our 25th wedding anniversary. 2369 01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:04,970 Are you going through camp Curry? 2370 01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:05,990 I asked you this before. 2371 01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:08,690 I think we're ending our trip in camp. 2372 01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:13,830 We're we're putting, we're starting as silver Lake 2373 01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:16,630 in Inyo national forest and hiking six days, 2374 01:26:16,830 --> 01:26:20,170 about 50 miles over to Yosemite Valley. 2375 01:26:20,170 --> 01:26:23,330 And we're going to be landing, so to 2376 01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:24,510 speak in Curry village. 2377 01:26:24,610 --> 01:26:25,710 And that's another penny. 2378 01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:28,230 Every single time you visit Curry village, I 2379 01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:31,510 get a penny, you get a penny in 2380 01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:32,430 the trust fund. 2381 01:26:32,730 --> 01:26:33,710 That's right. 2382 01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:34,230 That's right. 2383 01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:38,470 Um, but so I ordered, I ordered this, 2384 01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:40,130 uh, sleeping bag. 2385 01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:42,070 I needed a 20 degree bag. 2386 01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:46,130 And, uh, and the, the bag out orders 2387 01:26:46,130 --> 01:26:48,990 from this Polish company called, uh, cumulus. 2388 01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:53,350 And they sent me, they sent me an 2389 01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:53,750 email. 2390 01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:56,670 And let me see if I can find 2391 01:26:56,670 --> 01:26:57,150 this email. 2392 01:26:57,890 --> 01:27:03,370 The, it was really funny because the email 2393 01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:08,190 was all in English, um, except for the 2394 01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:11,270 status and the status was, uh, was in 2395 01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:11,650 Polish. 2396 01:27:11,650 --> 01:27:13,050 And I'm like, I have no idea what 2397 01:27:13,050 --> 01:27:13,890 you're talking about here. 2398 01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:18,170 Cause it said, um, you're, uh, your order. 2399 01:27:18,410 --> 01:27:18,930 Okay. 2400 01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:21,890 Here's your order status is colon. 2401 01:27:22,230 --> 01:27:22,470 Yeah. 2402 01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:22,750 Yeah. 2403 01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:24,490 I said, your order number, blah, blah, blah. 2404 01:27:24,530 --> 01:27:26,750 Has been updated with the status of the 2405 01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:27,590 gong shing Nick. 2406 01:27:27,790 --> 01:27:28,930 Oh, it's on its way. 2407 01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:32,210 I was like, what does that even mean? 2408 01:27:32,330 --> 01:27:33,590 I mean, it was canceled. 2409 01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:35,690 I wouldn't like, I don't know what this 2410 01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:36,350 word is. 2411 01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:40,190 Z a K O N C Z O 2412 01:27:40,190 --> 01:27:40,710 N E. 2413 01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:42,610 So I'm like, okay, whatever that is. 2414 01:27:42,630 --> 01:27:44,250 I hope it gets Z what? 2415 01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:46,150 Spell it again. 2416 01:27:47,370 --> 01:27:50,910 Z a K O N or the end 2417 01:27:50,910 --> 01:27:53,830 with the little, uh, accent sign above it. 2418 01:27:53,930 --> 01:27:54,110 Yeah. 2419 01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:56,690 C Z O N E. 2420 01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:58,590 Oh, you're screwed. 2421 01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:03,570 I'm like, it's your order has been updated 2422 01:28:03,570 --> 01:28:05,570 with the status of the congestion. 2423 01:28:06,090 --> 01:28:07,030 I'm like, okay. 2424 01:28:07,810 --> 01:28:09,310 That may, I mean, that could mean that 2425 01:28:09,310 --> 01:28:10,910 it blew up mid-flight on its way 2426 01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:11,270 over here. 2427 01:28:11,310 --> 01:28:11,790 I don't know. 2428 01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:13,110 Good news. 2429 01:28:13,150 --> 01:28:13,810 It's on its way. 2430 01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:14,370 Bad news. 2431 01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:15,490 We put it on air India. 2432 01:28:15,650 --> 01:28:16,330 I'm sorry. 2433 01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:17,970 Um, all right. 2434 01:28:18,010 --> 01:28:18,630 We got monthly. 2435 01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:20,190 Z a K O N C Z O 2436 01:28:20,190 --> 01:28:22,810 N E translates to completed or finished. 2437 01:28:23,670 --> 01:28:24,310 Oh, yay. 2438 01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:24,810 Okay. 2439 01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:25,850 Well, we're all good then. 2440 01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:27,490 Well, no, they completed your order. 2441 01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:28,730 It doesn't mean they're shipping it out. 2442 01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:29,950 It's just, it's thanks for your money. 2443 01:28:30,990 --> 01:28:31,350 Yeah. 2444 01:28:31,450 --> 01:28:31,810 Thanks. 2445 01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:32,250 We're all good. 2446 01:28:32,370 --> 01:28:32,610 Thanks. 2447 01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:33,030 We're good. 2448 01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:35,810 Uh, if, but see, I know somebody in 2449 01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:37,170 Poland now, so I can have him go, 2450 01:28:37,210 --> 01:28:38,630 you know, kick some butt if necessary. 2451 01:28:40,250 --> 01:28:43,430 Um, uh, say we got a Basil Phillip, 2452 01:28:43,530 --> 01:28:46,950 $25 Lauren ball, $24 and 20 cents. 2453 01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:47,410 Thank you. 2454 01:28:47,710 --> 01:28:49,210 Uh, Mitch Downey, $10. 2455 01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:50,890 Nice. 2456 01:28:51,090 --> 01:28:52,210 Christopher Harbaric, $10. 2457 01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:54,050 Terry Keller, $5. 2458 01:28:54,670 --> 01:28:56,210 Silicon florist, $10. 2459 01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:58,270 Chris Cowan, $5. 2460 01:28:59,070 --> 01:28:59,730 Derek J. 2461 01:28:59,910 --> 01:29:02,630 Viscar, the best name in podcasting, $21. 2462 01:29:03,370 --> 01:29:06,870 Paul Saltzman, $22 and 22 cents every single 2463 01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:07,210 time. 2464 01:29:07,470 --> 01:29:09,090 And Damon Casajak, $15. 2465 01:29:09,690 --> 01:29:10,250 Beautiful. 2466 01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:11,290 Thank you so much. 2467 01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:13,270 Are those the monthlies or those, the, that's 2468 01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:13,450 it. 2469 01:29:13,530 --> 01:29:13,910 That's it. 2470 01:29:13,970 --> 01:29:14,510 Thank you all. 2471 01:29:14,510 --> 01:29:16,970 That's all very much for supporting the podcast 2472 01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:19,350 index project with value for value. 2473 01:29:19,390 --> 01:29:19,670 Thank you. 2474 01:29:19,710 --> 01:29:21,090 Spotify for your support. 2475 01:29:21,690 --> 01:29:22,790 Uh, we appreciate that. 2476 01:29:23,090 --> 01:29:26,410 Um, we wouldn't mind a couple shekels from 2477 01:29:26,410 --> 01:29:27,690 you, but yeah, it's all right. 2478 01:29:27,730 --> 01:29:28,970 We'll, we'll keep plugging away. 2479 01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:29,470 We're happy. 2480 01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:30,730 We're happy to do it. 2481 01:29:31,330 --> 01:29:32,250 And thank you. 2482 01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:33,150 Shekels to spare. 2483 01:29:33,230 --> 01:29:34,090 They're profitable now. 2484 01:29:34,170 --> 01:29:34,430 Yeah. 2485 01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:37,270 So they say, um, and, uh, thank you 2486 01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:39,710 to all the developers and, uh, and hangers 2487 01:29:39,710 --> 01:29:41,610 on and everybody who's using this stuff. 2488 01:29:41,650 --> 01:29:44,330 Uh, you are all responsible for making this 2489 01:29:44,330 --> 01:29:44,810 move forward. 2490 01:29:44,890 --> 01:29:45,570 That's how it works. 2491 01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:48,410 And I'm, I'm tickled pink and very proud 2492 01:29:48,410 --> 01:29:48,870 of everybody. 2493 01:29:49,070 --> 01:29:49,890 I think it's fantastic. 2494 01:29:51,170 --> 01:29:53,890 And I'm also on the attribution tip right 2495 01:29:53,890 --> 01:29:54,110 now. 2496 01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:57,790 So, um, if you, uh, if there's a 2497 01:29:57,790 --> 01:30:01,390 tag that you contributed significantly to or invented 2498 01:30:01,390 --> 01:30:05,230 yourself, um, I'll be digging for that stuff 2499 01:30:05,230 --> 01:30:08,030 and putting attributions on the namespace pages. 2500 01:30:08,030 --> 01:30:09,510 And so, but if you want to go 2501 01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:10,970 ahead and ping me and let me know 2502 01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:14,450 that, um, that would make my dig easier. 2503 01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:16,990 So feel free to help the sage, dig 2504 01:30:16,990 --> 01:30:17,970 the hole, everybody. 2505 01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:21,010 And that is it for podcasting 2.0. 2506 01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:22,270 Thank you very much boardroom. 2507 01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:23,270 Thank you very much, brother. 2508 01:30:23,310 --> 01:30:23,750 Dave. 2509 01:30:24,930 --> 01:30:26,750 We'll see y'all next week right here 2510 01:30:26,750 --> 01:30:42,730 on podcasting 2.0. Cool. 2511 01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:47,770 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0. 2512 01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:51,630 Visit podcastindex.org for more information. 2513 01:30:54,230 --> 01:30:56,430 I'd say just stick it in.