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Podcasting 2.0 for February 21st, 2025, episode

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211, Podcast Plumbing.

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Oh yeah, it's Friday again, it's 27 degrees

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on Main Street in Fredericksburg.

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But it's time for the only board meeting

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that has an RSS feed.

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That's right, our boardroom's got that.

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It is Podcasting 2.0, everything happening with

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podcasting, what has been, what is now, and

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what will forever be.

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I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of

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the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the

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man who comes to the party whether he's

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sick or not, say hello to my friend

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on the other end, the one, the only,

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Mr. Dave Jones.

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I'm telling you, I did that, I hit

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the post right when you, right when you

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finished me up.

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Right when I finished you off.

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Right when I finished, I hit the post.

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It's all right, I'd forgotten to, I forgot

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to hit the live, the lit tag too,

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so.

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Oh, that's all right.

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That signal has been sent, that signal has

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been sent.

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The pong has been pinged, that's right.

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Hey Dave, how you doing?

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You don't sound so hot today, you sound

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a little under the weather as we say.

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Yeah, I'm sick.

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It went through my daughter and my wife

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and that was like maybe four or five

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days ago, and then I was like, oh

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man, maybe I escaped, and then it was

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like, oh no, I woke up this morning,

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I'm like, no.

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What is it, throat, cough, is that all

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the typical symptoms?

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Not really cough, it's just, yeah, it's just

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throat and fatigue, just feel like you've been

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like, you know, run over.

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I'm sorry.

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You want to, you just want to quit

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and we'll do it next week?

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Yeah, I'll see you.

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Okay, bye.

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Yeah, take care.

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I know you better than that, Dave Jones.

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No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna muscle

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through, I'm gonna, I'm gonna push my body

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beyond its normal limits to get to, to

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get a board meeting, which seems so important.

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It is important.

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You hear, did you, did you see the

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big news that I revealed?

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The big names that you revealed?

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No, the big news that I revealed, like,

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literally, like, right before I connected to the

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stream.

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No, no, did you release this on podcastindex

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.social, this big news?

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I did, yes.

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What did you release?

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Apple's official document, Apple has now adopted the

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podcast TXT tag.

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How about that?

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Yes, their official documentation now references, uh, so

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here, so let me give the, the background

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here.

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Um, that's good.

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So let me get the background that, so

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what, I guess it's current, I guess it's

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concurrent with them releasing, uh, it was iOS

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18.3, something like that.

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So it was 18, I don't know, 18

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.4 beta.

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I don't know what it is, but, um,

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sorry, I'm sorry, Nathan.

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Did I mess it up again?

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Dave's not here today, people.

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Dave's not fully here.

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Don't worry about it.

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What, what did, what did I do?

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I miss, okay.

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I mess up the episodes.fm link to

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our show every single week.

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How hard can it be?

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It's not that hard.

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How do I screw this up?

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It's just some numbers.

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All right.

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Let me wait.

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I'm going to fix this.

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I'm going to, I'm going to delete and

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redraft.

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Oh, that's the, that's the beauty of Mastodon

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delete and redraft.

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I have a blue check Mark on X

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and I get to edit for like, I

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think 30 minutes after posting it, say it

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saved me a lot.

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I just did, did that one.

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I got to fix Twitter X, whatever you

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call it.

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Upgrade.

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No screw it.

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It'll just have to be wrong.

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How come co-pilot can't do this already?

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Yeah, seriously.

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Well, I'm going to, okay.

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I'm going to delete that post and I'm

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going to delete, I'm going to do this

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by the way is riveting, riveting podcasting, ladies

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and gentlemen.

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But see, I teased the, the big thing

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at the beginning, so they're going to stick

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around.

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Well they, see, see.

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So Apple added the TXT tag and did

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they alert you of this or did you

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just stumble upon it?

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Uh, no, Ted emailed me this morning and

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said that, uh, he gave me the details.

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Here's how it went.

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Hey, that failed project of yours.

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We added another one of your failed tags.

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It's because we, he said, what is his

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exact words in the email were we were

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going to, we were going to put in

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the documentation, fail, colon TXT.

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But we decided to not be snarky and

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podcast.

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No, no, he didn't say that.

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I'm making, but, but so they have a

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new way to claim shows in their directory.

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Ah, and so they have a whole new

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process for submitting and by using the TXT

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tag.

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Uh, well you can see their, their submission

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process, um, is outlined.

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Let me see if I can post this

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There's a documentation is updated here.

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Uh, here's the, okay.

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This is how to claim your show.

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I'm going to post this into the boardroom.

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Uh, how do I do that?

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Paste.

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And so then this is how to, um,

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claim your show, but they've got another document

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document on how to, on how to add

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to their directory.

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So that was a, you know, that was

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things we've been throwing that out there for

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a while is how do you even get

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your show into Apple's directory?

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account, Apple podcast connect account, and then we

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were like, well, there may be, there's some

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way to do it.

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Um, because we don't have one in our

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show got in there.

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uh, there was some, that either somebody internal

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to Apple, maybe Ted or somebody else just

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stuck it in there or somebody with an

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Apple podcast connect account just did it right.

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Just went ahead and did it.

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That's probably what happened somewhere.

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And so, um, they have now they have

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this, they have an official submission process now.

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And so, and now, so since they have

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this, the, a submission process where anybody can

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submit, then they have a, excuse me, not

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as I'm sorry, that's correct.

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That's incorrect.

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It is not anybody.

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It is hosting companies, hosting company partners.

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So hosting partners of which there is a

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list of them can submit, um, directly to

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Apple's directory with or without an, they don't

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need an account.

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Oh, interesting.

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Uh, so now then after the fact you

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can go as the owner of that podcast

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and claim your podcast and say, this is

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mine in the Apple podcast connect.

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If you choose to go get an account

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and then, um, so that claiming process is

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now where they recommend that you use the

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podcast TXT record to put your claim claiming

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token in there.

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So they're going to generate a token in

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Apple podcast connect.

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You're going to go into your hosting provider

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and in the verification field, uh, you're going

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to put in that and, and save the

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tag, save it, save your code in there,

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your token in there.

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And for 24 hours you, uh, Apple will

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scan your feed and look for that token

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in the podcast TXT, uh, podcast TXT tag.

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And if it sees it, it'll, you're verified.

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You're done.

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Ah, perfect.

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Well, this is good.

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Now everyone can finally use that as a

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system because Apple's done it and everyone will,

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uh, glom on.

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Thank you very much, Apple.

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Good job.

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Better than Spotify.

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And this idea originated with them because Ted

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mentioned, yeah, he mentioned to us, it took

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two years for them to get this in,

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but okay.

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It's that's just, that's their process.

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It's okay.

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I get it.

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That's businesses sometimes move slow.

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Well, and, and that's really kind of, I'm

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sure we're going to talk a lot about

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that today is, is this, this is the

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natural order of things.

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This is how stuff happens in the real

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Um, but so this, this is, they had,

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they had just to finish the discussion about

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the podcast TXT tag.

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It's in there.

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Uh, it's in their documentation.

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Um, along with, so they have, they have

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two options where you can verify the iTunes

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colon Apple podcast verify tag or the podcast

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TXT purpose equals Apple podcast verify tag.

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Oh, so they, they added their own little

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right shimmy in there.

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Right.

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So it's either, it's either or because some,

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some hosting companies are, have already implemented.

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Actually there's a decent amount of companies that

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have already implemented the TXT record.

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And so your purpose, including bus sprout, right?

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Bus sprout uses it.

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Don't think they, I thought they did.

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I think they do.

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Trano transistor does.

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I think rss.com does.

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I'm not sure about blueberry.

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Oh, I'm sure Todd has it implemented.

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Yeah, he does.

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Hopefully they'll, they'll ping us in all and

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everybody they'll tell, tell us who, which ones

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have done it.

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Um, but the, the purpose, uh, tag, excuse

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me, the purpose attribute, uh, is going to

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be custom for, for them.

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And that fits the, that fits the model

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of this, uh, fits the model of this

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tag.

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The reason we put the purpose in there

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was so that you could have fine grain

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control over, okay.

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Cause the TXT record, what you don't want

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the TXT record to do is become a

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general purpose utility that replaces a real tag.

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Yeah.

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That just jam some crap in there.

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Like here's my value block.

292
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Yeah.

293
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Right.

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Cause that's what happened.

295
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Yeah, exactly.

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Cause that's what happened to the, to DNS.

297
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Yep.

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You know, became this, this, like the TXT

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record in DNS is a garbage dump.

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I've used it as such for all kinds

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of groovy things like verifying my blue sky

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account.

303
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Yes.

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Verifying domains, um, SPF records for mark.

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I mean like it's, there's all kinds of

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crap in there.

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And so we don't want that to happen

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to this thing.

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So you put the purpose in there and

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in the purpose is meant to be a

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short lived or very niche thing.

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Right.

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Uh, because like in DNS world, there should

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have been an SPF record.

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Oh, clearly.

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You know, and in this, in, in this

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thing, you know, there should be a particular

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type of record for a thing that's going

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to be a longterm deal.

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It's kind of interesting.

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The analog between, uh, the podcast, uh, spec

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and the namespace and DNS, look how long

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it takes for everybody to agree and come

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to terms on adding something to DNS.

325
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It's so it's almost impossible.

326
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We still don't have DNS sec.

327
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No.

328
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I mean, it's still not widely used.

329
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No.

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I mean, I mean, like, do we need

331
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to talk about IPV six?

332
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No, I really don't want to.

333
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We can.

334
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No, no, no.

335
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So anyway, this a win, a win from

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the grave of the dead podcast, uh, podcasting

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2.0 project.

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All right.

339
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Hold on.

340
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I'm gonna let these people in.

341
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Hold on a second.

342
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All right.

343
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Come on.

344
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The band is here.

345
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Hey, I did that live and unrehearsed.

346
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I want you to know I literally ripped

347
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it from, I hit the YouTube, uh, this

348
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music's on YouTube and I hit it while

349
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I was talking.

350
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Yeah.

351
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Sight unseen.

352
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It's almost like you're a pro.

353
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Yeah.

354
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That was, uh, I'll have to admit that

355
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was somewhat talent and a lot of luck,

356
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but that's professional.

357
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That's how you can dethrone people like Joe

358
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Rogan.

359
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All right.

360
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Rip and run.

361
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I figured it was time for a state

362
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of the union.

363
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Oh, and you wrapped it up on time.

364
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What can I say?

365
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What can I say?

366
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Um, a lot of talk in my favorite

367
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podcasts, uh, podcasts about podcasts, uh, that would

368
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be the new media show on power.

369
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Can I preface this?

370
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Sure.

371
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I would like to, to say for the

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record, since this is the state of the

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union, I would like to say that I

374
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have not listened or read any of this

375
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stuff.

376
00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,720
Oh, well, this is how I like you

377
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the best.

378
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And I did this on purpose.

379
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You know, you know how I am.

380
00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:15,840
Um, I heard new media show.

381
00:14:16,020 --> 00:14:18,540
I heard Rob say, we're going to talk

382
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about podcasting 2.0. And then he said,

383
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um, he asked this question.

384
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He said, has it lived up?

385
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We're going to, we're going to, we're going

386
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to talk about whether it's lived up to

387
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expectations.

388
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And I immediately stopped balls.

389
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I'm not listening to this.

390
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I figured you would either not listen or

391
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you would have 50 clips.

392
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And so when I didn't see clips like

393
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Dave hasn't listened and I love it.

394
00:14:40,420 --> 00:14:40,520
Yep.

395
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Yep.

396
00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:43,800
Um, so just to preface for those, you

397
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don't know, um, an episode of the in

398
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and around podcasting podcast had the, uh, title

399
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is podcasting 2.0, a failure.

400
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And, uh, of course I listened to the

401
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episode.

402
00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:57,900
It was recommended by James Criddle.

403
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And he said, it's a good discussion.

404
00:15:00,260 --> 00:15:02,800
Um, and I listened to the discussion that,

405
00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,040
um, James and Sam had on the podcast

406
00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:06,740
weekly review.

407
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And I also listened to, um, the new

408
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media show and, um, now listening to the

409
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in and around podcasting episode, what they didn't

410
00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:20,520
really define is what success means.

411
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,660
I did hear a lot, but I had

412
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heard a lot of stuff about the podcasting

413
00:15:26,140 --> 00:15:30,060
industry, uh, tipping listeners are stupid.

414
00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,080
They just want to hit play the movement.

415
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All of these things to me say we,

416
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that's why I said we need a state

417
00:15:38,340 --> 00:15:40,640
of the union to just briefly go over

418
00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,260
the history of what we're doing here.

419
00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,680
First of all, podcasting 2.0 is the

420
00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:45,560
name of this podcast.

421
00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,100
It was never set out as a movement.

422
00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:50,880
It was never, never set out as a

423
00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,340
project.

424
00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:54,020
It was never set out as anything other

425
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than the name of this podcast.

426
00:15:57,380 --> 00:15:59,220
And it was, it was created.

427
00:15:59,380 --> 00:16:00,540
It was two, two things.

428
00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,480
It was the name of this podcast and

429
00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,760
to, to really piss Dave Wanner off.

430
00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:06,800
Those were the two intentions.

431
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,540
Well, that was your input.

432
00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,420
And we appreciate that accomplished, um, just to

433
00:16:13,420 --> 00:16:14,240
reiterate.

434
00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,160
Uh, I called Dave over five years ago

435
00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,520
and said, as I have done throughout now,

436
00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,480
the past 15 years, said, Dave, we got

437
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,200
to do something.

438
00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,240
Uh, what do you think?

439
00:16:24,260 --> 00:16:24,980
And Dave went, okay.

440
00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,060
And that was pretty much it.

441
00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,660
I think every single time I've come up

442
00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:30,960
with an idea, you've said, okay, let's go

443
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,320
build it.

444
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,160
And we've built many interesting things, but I

445
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,080
want it to fail in reality, not fail

446
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:36,700
on the phone.

447
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,280
So, um, and, uh, and I still use,

448
00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:43,600
uh, our products, uh, and they are, and

449
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,780
they are rock solid.

450
00:16:45,260 --> 00:16:48,240
Uh, but the, so I, I proposed building

451
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,360
a, an alternative index of podcast feeds and

452
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,040
that we would do this mainly.

453
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,240
And that this was the impetus behind it

454
00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,320
is, uh, Apple started screwing around with, uh,

455
00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,240
entries in their, uh, in their index, which

456
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,940
they may in hindsight may actually regret, but

457
00:17:06,940 --> 00:17:09,900
there was this, you know, overnight move by

458
00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:12,960
Apple and Facebook and Twitter at the time,

459
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,460
uh, to remove certain feeds and to remove

460
00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:17,980
de-platform basically.

461
00:17:18,940 --> 00:17:21,599
Um, and there was also some odd things

462
00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,000
with Apple news that it didn't, the API

463
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,520
didn't really return the proper RSS feed.

464
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,300
So there was, it was wonky enough that

465
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I said, you know, we can't really have

466
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a commercial partner managing the entire world of

467
00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,660
podcasting.

468
00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:41,240
And when you looked at it objectively, uh,

469
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,780
Apple's, Apple's iTunes at the time had become

470
00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:48,880
the default, uh, on-ramp into podcasting, because

471
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,880
if you were in the Apple index, then

472
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,540
you were in Overcast and you were in

473
00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:55,420
any other alternative, uh, podcast app.

474
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The second thing, which was, which we put

475
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in from the get-go was the value

476
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tag, which of course gave us the reason

477
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to create the namespace.

478
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,840
And I believe we also put in chapters

479
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quickly at that point because there was another,

480
00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:16,180
another, uh, namespace item floating out there.

481
00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:17,720
I think I, and you'll have to correct

482
00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,060
me on that, but the, the main reason

483
00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:22,780
for the value tag was this new thing

484
00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:24,040
called the lightning network.

485
00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,860
And I saw it as a, really for

486
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myself as a possible alternative, should anyone be

487
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,340
de-platformed from any of the financial payment

488
00:18:34,340 --> 00:18:38,520
systems, most notably PayPal, which my entire, uh,

489
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:39,820
mortgage is based on.

490
00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:42,560
Without PayPal, if that goes away, and by

491
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,060
the way, just to give you an example,

492
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,840
when the PayPal, PayPalpocalypse happened, when, I can't

493
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,720
remember why it was, but people got really

494
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,760
mad at PayPal and they closed their accounts.

495
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,860
It hurt financially.

496
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,420
It hurt no agenda quite significantly because a

497
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lot...

498
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That was because, that was because PayPal said,

499
00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:03,100
changed their terms and said that if they

500
00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,400
found that you had donated to some, to

501
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,000
certain things, they were going to like fine

502
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:07,240
you.

503
00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:07,980
Right, right, right.

504
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:08,740
That's right.

505
00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:12,300
Um, and a lot of people, um, had

506
00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,760
recurring donations, which in no agenda world, value

507
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,760
for value is any amount, any frequency.

508
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,040
So anything from $4 a month to, you

509
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,400
know, some people did $5 an episode, et

510
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:23,560
cetera.

511
00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:24,900
And a lot of those went away.

512
00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:29,840
Um, so that created the namespace and it

513
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,440
was miraculous to see that as, I think

514
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,020
that was kind of the beauty of the

515
00:19:35,020 --> 00:19:38,520
project was setting up podcastindex.social. You know,

516
00:19:38,620 --> 00:19:40,240
Mastodon was kind of an up and coming

517
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:40,680
thing.

518
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I had a little bit of experience under

519
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:42,820
my belt.

520
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:45,800
And so I set that up and people

521
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,160
came and people had all kinds of ideas.

522
00:19:48,260 --> 00:19:50,700
And as we were talking on this podcast,

523
00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:53,760
and this podcast was really meant to replicate

524
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,580
the original days of podcasting of daily source

525
00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:59,440
code, where if you talk about it and

526
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,600
you talk about the, what the developers are

527
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,120
doing and the development they're doing, you have

528
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,360
this kind of circular motion and there's feedback

529
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,200
and you, and we've had many of the

530
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,080
developers on the podcast in the boardroom talking

531
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,000
about, you know, what, what we're doing basically.

532
00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:17,780
Um, and it was also to continuously remind

533
00:20:17,780 --> 00:20:21,080
people that the podcast index is an open

534
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760
source project and it is a value for

535
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,680
value project.

536
00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:27,180
And if only if people find value in

537
00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:29,760
using it with the API that we've made

538
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,760
available for free, uh, at no charge, um,

539
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,960
if only if people would support it, would

540
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,040
it continue to exist?

541
00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:38,520
And you and I had that agreement as

542
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:38,740
well.

543
00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,700
And it's like, that's, that's just how we're

544
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:41,080
going to do it.

545
00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,840
And remind me, I'd like to answer, um,

546
00:20:44,340 --> 00:20:46,900
uh, Todd and Rob's question about the finances

547
00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:48,360
of the index later on.

548
00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:51,460
So that's noted.

549
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,240
So, so that is, is really what it

550
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:54,660
is.

551
00:20:54,980 --> 00:20:58,260
And the namespace kind of took on a

552
00:20:58,260 --> 00:21:00,040
life of its own and we focused on

553
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,200
the namespace and lo and behold, there were

554
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,960
existing apps and, but a lot of new

555
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,260
energy and excitement came with new app developers.

556
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,540
Uh, some have come, some have gone and

557
00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:17,520
multiple things have happened from the, and, and

558
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,240
in a way, because we never really did

559
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,920
any marketing, um, the name podcasting 2.0,

560
00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:26,040
2.0 took on a life of its

561
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,500
own and it became kind of a moniker

562
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,760
for, wow.

563
00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:35,200
There's Dreb Scott.

564
00:21:35,380 --> 00:21:37,240
We do have, he, he fired off his

565
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,320
own big baller with a one, two, three,

566
00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:41,520
four, five, six Satoshi boost.

567
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:42,680
Whoa.

568
00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:44,140
Then he says, I can drip.

569
00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:45,840
I find value in this project.

570
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,840
Go podcasting.

571
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,840
Thank you very much, Dreb.

572
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,380
This is, there you go.

573
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,200
This is one of the things that we've

574
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,540
created, including the lit tag and all of

575
00:21:54,540 --> 00:21:57,420
these wonderful, fabulous things that have come out

576
00:21:57,420 --> 00:21:59,180
of, of this project, but it kind of

577
00:21:59,180 --> 00:22:02,580
became a moniker and as humans do, and

578
00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:04,520
I'm sure that we've been just as guilty

579
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:04,980
of it.

580
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,820
It's like, Hey, it's podcasting 2.0 and

581
00:22:06,820 --> 00:22:09,100
the, you know, to the absolute chagrin of

582
00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,420
Dave Weiner, as you pointed out, but I

583
00:22:11,420 --> 00:22:12,600
think that's a good term.

584
00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:12,920
Yes.

585
00:22:13,020 --> 00:22:16,700
I believe from year one, certainly I have

586
00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,380
always said that I'm looking for something new

587
00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:22,640
for new applications.

588
00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:27,060
Um, not just the same old inbox model

589
00:22:27,060 --> 00:22:30,820
that we've become accustomed to, uh, in our

590
00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:33,500
daily lives and our daily podcast lives.

591
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,980
And, uh, who was, um, he's, he, he

592
00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:38,300
came and went, who was the guy?

593
00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:39,560
Rolfi.

594
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,480
Was it Rolfi?

595
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,300
Rolfi?

596
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:41,920
Yeah.

597
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,920
Rolfi would from time to time code something

598
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,160
up.

599
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,900
There was like, what am I looking at?

600
00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:49,880
And boxes would be jumping around and all

601
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,080
kinds of crazy stuff would be happening.

602
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:55,840
And, um, and it's, it was always fun

603
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,040
and interesting to watch.

604
00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:00,380
Um, and I've also in more recent history

605
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:04,320
said quite clearly the way forward, I believe

606
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,920
is more looking at specific listener groups.

607
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,480
And my example was the Rachel Maddow app

608
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,420
now.

609
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280
Uh, so I define, and, and, and one

610
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,000
little side note, uh, I think one or

611
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,320
on the, on the last episode of the

612
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,100
board meeting, you said you, you highlighted how

613
00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:28,080
important indexes are and then also how complicated

614
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,780
it can be.

615
00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:30,340
And also what the weakness is.

616
00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:32,680
And we, we talked a lot about decentralization

617
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,060
of the index, which is our ultimate goal.

618
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,640
And here is an API which you can

619
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,160
use for literally anything you can dream up.

620
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,700
But what has been the main focus has

621
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:48,240
been kind of a traditional podcast app.

622
00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:52,020
So when I look at successes, I look

623
00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:55,700
at the fountain app and I say, we

624
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:56,920
can die right now.

625
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,380
We have made a trim.

626
00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:01,760
This has been a tremendous success where an

627
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,820
app came out of nowhere, rose from the

628
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:08,920
ashes and built an entire ecosystem around a

629
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,980
community of people.

630
00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:13,600
And that community of people has mainly been

631
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,520
people interested in Bitcoin, users of Bitcoin, users

632
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,320
of the lightning network, uh, and Nostr.

633
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,920
And I have no insight into the finances,

634
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,460
but they actually raise money based upon what

635
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:27,100
they were doing.

636
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,340
And it appears to me, just looking at

637
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:32,060
the 1% that we get, uh, from,

638
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,960
uh, from fountain.

639
00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:34,220
And by the way, if you look at

640
00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:37,040
the V4V stats, there's a lot of apps

641
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,620
that we don't get any split from.

642
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:40,480
A lot of them look up, do direct

643
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,600
feed lookups like podcast guru.

644
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,180
So, you know, most of my, even my

645
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,960
boosts, et cetera, don't even, there's no split

646
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,160
that goes off to the index.

647
00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:53,060
So it's probably, uh, significantly higher than what

648
00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:56,020
most people are seeing in the statistics, but

649
00:24:56,020 --> 00:24:59,200
here is this beautiful resource with a well

650
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,520
-documented API.

651
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,260
Thank you to everyone who's been involved in

652
00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:04,280
that, that can be used for many different

653
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,640
things.

654
00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:08,100
Fountain to me is a mind boggling success.

655
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,560
Even though I, I even pushed back in

656
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,240
the beginning thinking that, uh, posting the boost,

657
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,680
the booster grams would, would detract from value

658
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,180
for value.

659
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,780
I think I've admitted I was wrong about

660
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:19,740
that several times.

661
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,380
Uh, it is, it is a full on

662
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:25,780
beautiful ecosystem for a group that is not

663
00:25:25,780 --> 00:25:26,220
small.

664
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,740
It's not huge, but it's not insignificant.

665
00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:32,420
Then we have an app like Ellen beats,

666
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,720
very specific focus completely on music shows and

667
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,540
on music.

668
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,840
And I think it serves that growing small,

669
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,980
but growing community extremely well.

670
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:48,660
Um, we've seen, we've seen this with, um,

671
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,280
uh, with many of the live shows we've

672
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,100
seen it, uh, with the booster Graham ball

673
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:53,680
live.

674
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,780
Just it's, it's a V to me, a

675
00:25:55,780 --> 00:25:59,300
very, very successful project that is just getting

676
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:00,220
started.

677
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:01,500
True fans.

678
00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:05,120
I believe that when true fans becomes native

679
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,420
app, true fans will find it's it's place.

680
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:11,820
And the name already says it.

681
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:13,760
I think it will be a place that

682
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,700
people who want to be rabid fans, not

683
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,220
just for podcasts, but for music as well.

684
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:24,420
We'll go to interact, to exchange, to buy

685
00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:26,020
merch, to buy tickets.

686
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,020
Sam has a vision and I believe that

687
00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:29,800
is going to come out.

688
00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:31,740
And that is all thanks to the podcast

689
00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:32,400
index.

690
00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:35,400
I think that is a huge success.

691
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,280
Hosting companies are very active.

692
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:42,380
In fact, it's mainly the hosting companies who,

693
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:44,860
uh, we can count on larger funding for

694
00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:46,860
the index, but you know, that's not to

695
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:50,080
say that, you know, every single Satoshi counts.

696
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,120
Um, and, and, you know, you get a

697
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,820
one, two, three, four, five, six from Dreb

698
00:26:53,820 --> 00:26:56,060
Scott that takes care of a couple of

699
00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:57,300
servers on a monthly basis.

700
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:58,300
So that's fantastic.

701
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,620
I call that a big success.

702
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,160
Now what this is has never, I think

703
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,840
the, the concept of the, all of the,

704
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,740
you know, the most important tags are the

705
00:27:12,740 --> 00:27:15,280
top 10 tags and all the podcast apps

706
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,980
have to have, I think that is, uh,

707
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:22,080
archaic thinking that is probably not going to

708
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,380
happen.

709
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:25,220
We live in a very decentralized world right

710
00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:25,500
now.

711
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:28,740
Um, it's not about in my mind, in

712
00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:32,420
my opinion, it's not that YouTube is all

713
00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:33,140
about video.

714
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,520
It's just a place that's easy for people

715
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,140
to get it where they already are.

716
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,300
There's a good search and they can find

717
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:39,500
it.

718
00:27:39,740 --> 00:27:43,580
And so the users aren't really concerned about

719
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:45,980
an RSS feed, but if they, if it's

720
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:48,640
an audio only podcast, I'm pretty sure that

721
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,440
they're going to find that somewhere else.

722
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:55,340
Um, so just on a quick side note

723
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,800
of, you know, cause Sam was saying, well,

724
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,880
Adam should be the, should be the leader.

725
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,660
And she'd be going out and doing four

726
00:28:02,660 --> 00:28:03,600
keynotes a year.

727
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,620
Just as a side note, the podcast industrial

728
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:11,200
complex, the industry is not interested in Adam

729
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,160
doing a keynote.

730
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,080
They don't, they don't care.

731
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:16,420
They don't, they don't really care about anything

732
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:17,180
we have to say.

733
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,780
That keynote is a $50,000 sponsor opportunity.

734
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,860
They're not going to put me on a

735
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:25,080
keynote, see podcast movement.

736
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,620
Now, I think three years ago, they threw

737
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:29,720
us in a back room during lunch hour

738
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,780
and put up a little easel with a

739
00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:36,440
sign that says, so it was really hard

740
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:36,920
to spell.

741
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,340
I have never been offered a key.

742
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,500
And please don't offer me keynotes because I'm

743
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:41,320
not going to do it.

744
00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:44,520
There is no interest in me as a

745
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,320
keynote, even though, Oh yes.

746
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:47,480
He called inventor of park.

747
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,120
No, there was never any interest from podcast

748
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,480
movement.

749
00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:51,980
They're not interested.

750
00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:55,140
They're interested in money, which is fine.

751
00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:56,660
I have known this.

752
00:28:56,660 --> 00:28:59,600
I've known this about the very first podcast

753
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,240
conference.

754
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,660
I'll just reiterate the story.

755
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,260
They called me up.

756
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,340
We had VC funding and they said, Hey,

757
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:06,740
we're going to do this first contrast.

758
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,000
It used to be called the new media

759
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,600
expo.

760
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,640
And now it's the podcasting conference.

761
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,620
I'm a little fuzzy on the history of

762
00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:13,760
it.

763
00:29:14,060 --> 00:29:15,440
And I said, and would you do a

764
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:15,700
keynote?

765
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,940
I said, I really don't like it, but

766
00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:17,780
okay, I'll do it.

767
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Great.

768
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Are you going to be a silver or

769
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,380
gold sponsor?

770
00:29:20,420 --> 00:29:21,060
I said, what do you mean?

771
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:23,380
Well, you have to sponsor, you have to

772
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:24,320
sponsor the industry.

773
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,160
I'm like, no, I don't know this.

774
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,120
We're putting this into podcasters, hands into development.

775
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:31,120
I'm not going to give that to your

776
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:31,500
conference.

777
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,480
That's your business.

778
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,200
And, and I subsequently probably pissed off everybody

779
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,560
in the, in the conference industry, but I

780
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,440
didn't feel that was, um, I didn't feel

781
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,220
that was appropriate.

782
00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:43,600
So we'll just, just look at the, look

783
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,300
at the two years in a row.

784
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:55,480
Mark Cuban was, was keynoting podcast movement for

785
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,960
the fireside chat app, which doesn't even exist

786
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,480
anymore.

787
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,080
It is not about, it's not about all

788
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,280
that.

789
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,820
It's a purely, the keynoting stuff is purely

790
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:07,640
a money play.

791
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560
If you, it doesn't matter if your app

792
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,500
even exists, or if anyone cares, but a

793
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:16,300
lot of people cared about it, but people,

794
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,100
Oh, this is the future.

795
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,100
Okay.

796
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,100
So as I said, the world is decentralizing.

797
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:25,840
You're seeing Spotify satisfying its user base with

798
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,160
certain, uh, with certain extra widgets.

799
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:33,400
You're seeing YouTube trying to basically capture the,

800
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,760
uh, the podcasting world and, you know, they're

801
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,180
getting the video podcasters.

802
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:38,760
That's fine.

803
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:44,220
Um, but when you look at, I mean,

804
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,520
so I, I think we naturally just you

805
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,500
and I, Dave, we just kind of, you

806
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,920
know, we, we glom, we, we understand what

807
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,500
the index is and what you can do

808
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:56,220
with an API.

809
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,140
And so when the opportunity came, so I'm

810
00:30:59,140 --> 00:31:00,080
going to, I think we should talk a

811
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400
little bit about Godcaster since we've officially announced

812
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,620
it, um, six, eight, nine months ago, maybe,

813
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:11,940
um, uh, Gordon, uh, a guy who had

814
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:15,720
a, who had this basic podcast player and

815
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,540
was, um, uh, working with faith-based radio

816
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:22,440
stations to put podcasting into their web pages.

817
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,920
He approached me and he said, Hey, um,

818
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,500
I really need to figure out what to

819
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:30,380
do with this thing.

820
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,740
Um, I'm extremely interested in all the extra

821
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:34,300
features.

822
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,980
I'm interested in what the podcast index can

823
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:37,140
do.

824
00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:39,280
And I, and I basically looked at him

825
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,020
as a, as an app developer and app

826
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:43,500
developer who wanted to tie in.

827
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,880
And so I, you know, as with any

828
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,640
app developer, anyone interested, I took my time

829
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,220
and I explained to him what it was

830
00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:50,660
and I walked him through all the pieces

831
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:54,780
and a rather long story short after about

832
00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:55,500
six months.

833
00:31:56,180 --> 00:32:00,080
Um, we decided to, uh, uh, to join

834
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,940
his company.

835
00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:04,220
We're equal partners with Dave to create the

836
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:09,760
Godcaster and Godcaster incorporates a whole bunch of

837
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,380
things that, um, pretty much all of the,

838
00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:16,960
uh, the features come from the podcast index.

839
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:20,560
And it was very interesting to see and

840
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,380
to hear how James reported on it.

841
00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:26,280
Um, because he completely missed, missed what it

842
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:26,720
really does.

843
00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:27,980
That's not his fault, by the way, it's

844
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:28,660
not his fault.

845
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,520
Um, and I'll just explain what it is.

846
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:33,960
And so just know that this is a

847
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,540
completely different animal from any traditional podcast app,

848
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:39,980
but it uses the podcast index and it

849
00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:44,000
uses some very important, uh, namespace features.

850
00:32:45,020 --> 00:32:47,500
So do you mind if I just give

851
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:48,760
the vision for a second here, just so

852
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,260
people understand what we're talking about and then

853
00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:51,720
you can tell us how it works.

854
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,520
Because I think I want to expand everybody's

855
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160
mind instead of an inbox model of a

856
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,440
podcast app and that that's what we all

857
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,040
have to have.

858
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,380
Because if you look at radio stations and

859
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:06,360
I think in the United States, there's three,

860
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:10,780
three, maybe 4,000, uh, religious broadcasters, faith

861
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:16,060
-based radio stations, and they all understand a

862
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:16,620
couple of things.

863
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:19,480
They understand value for value because many of

864
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,300
them are donation-based.

865
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Many of them, uh, run nationally syndicated programming

866
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,340
that buys their airtime.

867
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:29,760
So they understand the, the value, the basic

868
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,020
value for value model.

869
00:33:31,220 --> 00:33:33,780
They also understand that they are on a

870
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:35,940
one-way ticket into heaven as that's where

871
00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:38,760
all their listeners are going with a 74

872
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,640
-year-old average age.

873
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,920
And they're kind of freaking out, like, what

874
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,640
am I going to do?

875
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:46,140
Because what is all of radio done around

876
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:51,380
the globe almost, they have consolidated transmitters, consolidated

877
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:52,420
radio stations.

878
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000
They have removed most of their local programming.

879
00:33:56,220 --> 00:33:58,900
Um, except maybe you have Elvis, just an

880
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,440
example, Z100 New York, Elvis Duran.

881
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:04,500
Um, he was the New York morning guy.

882
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:07,400
Now he's the morning guy in multiple markets.

883
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,300
They fire off local, local jingles, but he's

884
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,860
not really talking about, you know, what's going

885
00:34:12,860 --> 00:34:16,219
on with, um, with the New York congestion

886
00:34:16,219 --> 00:34:16,639
fee.

887
00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:17,679
He's not really talking.

888
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,860
He's only doing national type news.

889
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,679
Part of the reason that local programming has

890
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,080
died off is that Facebook has taken up

891
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,699
all of the local advertising.

892
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,440
If you want to advertise your small business,

893
00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:32,020
you're going to go to Facebook.

894
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,580
That's where you're going to get most of

895
00:34:33,580 --> 00:34:35,060
your, most, that's where you get the most,

896
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,400
the biggest bang for your buck.

897
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,580
Newspapers are almost non-existent.

898
00:34:39,739 --> 00:34:41,880
Uh, they've all kind of dried up.

899
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,639
So really, if you look at a town

900
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,060
like Fredericksburg, which is an interesting example where

901
00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:48,880
I live, there's a little under 12,000

902
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,580
people who live here, but on a yearly

903
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:55,440
basis, 2 million people come through here, um,

904
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,580
to visit because we're a tourist attraction.

905
00:34:57,780 --> 00:35:00,400
But we have a Facebook rants and rage

906
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,420
page, and that's where people go and moan

907
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:05,300
and groan at each other about what's broken

908
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:06,340
and what's not working.

909
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,020
So the idea that I had is looking

910
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:13,300
at these radio stations, what does every single

911
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,080
one of them have?

912
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:16,840
They all have a live stream and they

913
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,160
stick this live stream on their webpage, listen

914
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,600
live.

915
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,920
And increasingly more of them have an app

916
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,620
and they're asking people to download their app.

917
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:28,460
And the app really doesn't have much more.

918
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,380
They may have a podcast feed or two

919
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:33,900
in there, but they have no way to

920
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,980
manage or to really program that lineup of

921
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:40,180
on-demand programming, most of which is national,

922
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:43,060
some of which is local, but really the

923
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:46,560
vision here is you give an interface the

924
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,220
radio stations can use as a player on

925
00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:52,700
their page or in their app, which we've

926
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:55,420
made available and a whole backend that allows

927
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:57,820
you to schedule your live streams, to put

928
00:35:57,820 --> 00:36:00,920
in your on-demand programming, to also track

929
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,740
everything that people are doing there.

930
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:03,700
It's very unique.

931
00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:07,360
It's very unique that a station can see,

932
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:13,300
okay, someone is listening to the Tony Evans

933
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:15,880
podcast, and I can see that they listened

934
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,800
right after they were listening to the live

935
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,160
stream, heard a promo for it and bopped

936
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,500
over into the app or in the player

937
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:23,980
and started playing that.

938
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,080
We use the funding tag also tracked, and

939
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,940
this is one of the biggest problems they've

940
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:32,140
had is attribution.

941
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:36,080
So if someone is listening to a nationally

942
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,020
syndicated program on KHCB in Houston, and they

943
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:43,400
donate to that program, how do we know

944
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,480
that that came from KHCB?

945
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,980
Well, with the funding tag, which we also

946
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:51,460
all have in the statistical analysis program, we

947
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:54,060
can say, hey, someone was listening on your

948
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:55,380
KHCB app.

949
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,800
They hit the funding tag and we tell

950
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,580
both parties.

951
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,660
So KHCB knows, but Tony Evans also knows.

952
00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:05,720
So we built this entire, I'd call it

953
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,680
a platform really, that enables people who are

954
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,880
programmers to now use the local programming that

955
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,980
they normally wouldn't put on the air for

956
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:18,240
multiple reasons, which are local podcasts.

957
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,480
Some of them have gone, my true vision

958
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,420
involves your local church, which are content factories.

959
00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:27,640
They're creating all kinds of content all the

960
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,020
time.

961
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:32,620
And to start transitioning their listener base to

962
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:36,060
using this web player, using the universal app,

963
00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:38,800
which is a PWA, or using their app,

964
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:40,700
which we have an API so they can

965
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,160
integrate that into their app.

966
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,360
And we now have, did Gordon say like

967
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,020
235 stations who are using this now?

968
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:51,560
I don't remember the number.

969
00:37:51,820 --> 00:37:53,280
It's over 200.

970
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,860
And I'm going to the National Religious Broadcasters

971
00:37:57,860 --> 00:38:00,720
Conference next week, and I'm doing a keynote,

972
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,620
but I'm not going to be selling in

973
00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:03,480
the keynote, of course.

974
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:05,000
By the way, they asked me to do

975
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,340
a keynote.

976
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,220
How nice is that?

977
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,360
And I'm also going to be talking about

978
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,500
the future of podcasting in a separate session,

979
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:14,260
which will be pretty much exclusively 2.0.

980
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:17,060
But we are solving some really big problems

981
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:19,580
for a group that is a niche group,

982
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:24,400
but has extremely large audiences attached to it.

983
00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:26,620
And no one has focused on that.

984
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,600
And so that is, to me, an excellent

985
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,580
example of the future of podcasting.

986
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:38,480
We're no different than Fountain, except our ultimate

987
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,080
customers, well, our customers are radio stations and

988
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,320
churches, but our customers may not be interested

989
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:45,860
in Nasr.

990
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,660
They may not be interested in value for

991
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:47,940
value.

992
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:49,580
By the way, I think they ultimately will

993
00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:51,700
be, and we're going to be integrating that

994
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:52,380
in the future.

995
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:55,260
But there's so many, I mean, our customers,

996
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:57,900
the radio stations are saying, they're coming up

997
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:58,580
with ideas now.

998
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,420
What if we could do this?

999
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:00,400
What if we could add this thing?

1000
00:39:00,460 --> 00:39:01,160
What if we could do this?

1001
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,840
So that to me is the success of

1002
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,920
the project, is that anybody can come up

1003
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,740
with a completely new idea to serve a

1004
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:12,180
specific group.

1005
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,900
And here's all of this content that you

1006
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:17,760
can integrate, all of these different ways with

1007
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,880
structured data, with an open API you can

1008
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,840
access and can do anything you want with

1009
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,020
it.

1010
00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:27,100
When I pitched on Rogan, the idea of

1011
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:31,060
hyperlocal podcasts, I have hundreds of emails of

1012
00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:33,480
people saying, I love the, that no one

1013
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,600
had thought of this, apparently.

1014
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,840
A podcast, well, that you have to be

1015
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,180
Rogan.

1016
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,360
Who can compete with Rogan?

1017
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:39,080
I can't do that.

1018
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:40,540
It's too hard.

1019
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,780
And when they think about it, hey, I

1020
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:44,700
can do a podcast for my little town.

1021
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:46,480
They get really excited.

1022
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,640
And hyperlocalpodcast.com, I have a page that

1023
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,320
just kind of shows you some easy way

1024
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,200
to get started with podcasting.

1025
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,720
And then I actually say, go to Dave

1026
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:57,720
Jackson School of Podcasting, because that's the guy

1027
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:58,980
who can teach you all this other stuff.

1028
00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:02,720
That is the future of podcasting.

1029
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:06,020
It is the future of media in general

1030
00:40:06,020 --> 00:40:07,900
for this period of time.

1031
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,540
Because we're in decentralization mode.

1032
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:13,900
And when all of mainstream has gone completely

1033
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,820
national, all the conversations are about national news,

1034
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:20,540
Washington news, EU news.

1035
00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:23,160
It's all at this big top level stuff,

1036
00:40:23,260 --> 00:40:24,600
by the way, we all get spun up

1037
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,260
about and all we do is go on

1038
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:30,500
X or BlueCry and go and post videos

1039
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:31,000
of it.

1040
00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:35,060
But there's a hunger, a thirst for local

1041
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:39,800
programming, local interaction, and definitely and all the

1042
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,420
research shows this for live, live things at

1043
00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:45,240
a local level.

1044
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,260
So I think that is so we are

1045
00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:52,560
very successful in creating this entire toolbox for

1046
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,800
anybody to go off.

1047
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,860
Now, local can be a geographical locality or

1048
00:40:57,860 --> 00:41:01,100
can be a geography of interest.

1049
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,600
I think either one is appropriate.

1050
00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:04,880
But that is where the future is.

1051
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,400
Just creating more apps to do the same.

1052
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:11,340
Yes, you may have something specific that, you

1053
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:13,660
know, like a better playback engine.

1054
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,920
I think that a lot of people enjoyed

1055
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,460
Overcast, which in my mind, Overcast is a

1056
00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:19,160
legacy app.

1057
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:21,300
You know, it was there early on.

1058
00:41:21,380 --> 00:41:22,300
People have used it.

1059
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,880
There's a legacy user base.

1060
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:26,280
But people are starving for more.

1061
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,540
And they're actually that's the Rachel Maddow example.

1062
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:32,540
They are starving for something that serves their

1063
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:33,160
community.

1064
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,180
Does that make sense?

1065
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:37,020
Yeah.

1066
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:42,720
So I think you said you used the

1067
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:48,010
term the future of podcasting in the future.

1068
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:50,930
It just sort of started stirring my head.

1069
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:52,490
I was trying to keep my mouth shut

1070
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:54,170
because you were on a roll.

1071
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:58,410
But the future of podcasting, if it's hyperlocal,

1072
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,940
that is beneficial to everybody.

1073
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,740
Everybody up and down the chain of the

1074
00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:08,960
pod of what you might think of as

1075
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,760
the as the true podcast infrastructure group.

1076
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,520
I'm not talking about the podcast industrial complex

1077
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,080
with all the advertising and that kind of

1078
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:18,220
thing.

1079
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,120
I'm just I'm talking about if you just

1080
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,860
look at the plumbing of podcasting, the podcasters

1081
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:27,700
themselves, the apps and the hosting companies, everyone

1082
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:33,620
benefits because hyper hyperlocal approach explodes the number

1083
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:36,120
of of people that are podcasting.

1084
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:36,400
Yeah.

1085
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,080
And so you have more podcasters needing more

1086
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,560
hosting companies as you know, buying more hosting

1087
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,100
accounts.

1088
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,180
And all linking out to these new apps

1089
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:55,420
and new, you know, new and new apps.

1090
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,540
It feels weird to say, but you got

1091
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:59,840
to throw Apple in there now because they're

1092
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:00,540
starting to play.

1093
00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:03,020
You know, they're starting to change, change their

1094
00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:04,560
stuff to adopt 2.0 features.

1095
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,980
You you have the people who so to

1096
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:11,420
go to Godcaster for a second.

1097
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,380
You know, so the way what God what

1098
00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:18,200
Godcaster is doing is.

1099
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:23,340
In its current incarnation is that you're a

1100
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:25,640
you're a you're a radio station or you

1101
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,360
can be anybody, you can be a church,

1102
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:28,100
you can be anyone.

1103
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:30,920
But, you know, primarily our main customers right

1104
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,800
now are radio stations.

1105
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:34,860
You go on your radio station, you go,

1106
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,980
you log into your Godcaster, you build your

1107
00:43:37,980 --> 00:43:38,440
player.

1108
00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:41,620
So you add in your live streams, your

1109
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:45,200
podcasts, which are pulling from the index, you

1110
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,840
arrange them, you make collections, which are sort

1111
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,220
of like sort of like channel channels of

1112
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:53,560
of different podcasts.

1113
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,760
And you arrange all that into a player

1114
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,400
and then you embed it in your website

1115
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,880
or you stick it in your app.

1116
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,500
That's that's that gets you to that gets

1117
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,580
you to a digital presence.

1118
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,140
But but the other aspect of Godcaster, and

1119
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:16,820
this is this is where it goes to

1120
00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:18,160
the 2.0 at large.

1121
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:26,400
Is that every every Godcaster app, every God's

1122
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,140
Godcaster player that is created also creates an

1123
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:30,840
RSS feed.

1124
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:35,180
And that RSS feed is a feed of

1125
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:37,860
your live streams and all the shows you

1126
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:38,860
added to your player.

1127
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,380
So if you are KDAV, you know, KDAV

1128
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:45,540
radio, KDAV radio in, you know, in Birmingham,

1129
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,040
Alabama, KDAV, KHCB, it's a real station.

1130
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,120
It's a huge station in Houston, and they're

1131
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,400
using it and they love it.

1132
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,520
If you're KHCB in Houston, what you've got

1133
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,540
is a player with all of your programming

1134
00:44:57,540 --> 00:45:01,880
lineup and your live streams, and then you

1135
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,540
now have an RSS feed and that RSS

1136
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:07,120
feed is a feed of your station.

1137
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:11,000
So your radio station now has an RSS

1138
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,660
feed of itself that people can now instead

1139
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:19,100
of people bypassing your radio station and going

1140
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,360
directly to something like Focus on the Family

1141
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,280
and subscribing there, now they can subscribe to

1142
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,280
KHCB directly in their podcast app of choice.

1143
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,860
And now they're following your entire station.

1144
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:37,760
So if you release new local content, it's

1145
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,160
going to show up in their feed in

1146
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,520
their podcast app because they're following you.

1147
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,840
They're not following your programs individually.

1148
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,380
So that sets the stage for the next

1149
00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:52,320
sort of it's taken, I mean, this has

1150
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:52,900
been a sprint.

1151
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,460
I mean, this is like five months of

1152
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,820
development to build everything from scratch.

1153
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:01,460
And so we finally got here now where,

1154
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:03,460
you know, the you are here moment is

1155
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:05,660
now like we've gotten most of the basics

1156
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:06,120
covered.

1157
00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:09,120
Now we start to do the next phase,

1158
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,180
which is the fun stuff, the real hardcore

1159
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:13,240
2.0 stuff.

1160
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:20,980
But that idea is for every new like

1161
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:23,320
just using us as an example, for every

1162
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,200
new Godcaster player slash user or whatever, you

1163
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,540
now have an RSS feed.

1164
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:30,600
You click on the link in the in

1165
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,620
the player and you get this list of

1166
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:35,500
2.0 apps and you can link out

1167
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,480
and you can follow KHCB in Trufans or

1168
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,780
Fountain or Podverse or Podcast Guru.

1169
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,280
You can follow this radio station in all

1170
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,780
the new 2.0 apps.

1171
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:48,420
That's that way you got, you know, you

1172
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:50,040
got some people, you've already got some people

1173
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,980
who are going to listen to on the

1174
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:53,480
website, but then you have hardcore users that

1175
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,480
want to listen in their normal podcast app

1176
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,120
and they can do that.

1177
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,720
Eric PP just said, no agenda stream would

1178
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:03,260
be perfect.

1179
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:04,860
And I'm like, yes, I'm going to have

1180
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:05,720
to put that together.

1181
00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:08,660
Excellent example.

1182
00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:11,220
Like what we're doing now is I'm finishing

1183
00:47:11,220 --> 00:47:13,380
up a new feature for adding multiple live

1184
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:14,340
streams through the UI.

1185
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,240
It's a complex UI.

1186
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,480
So I'm almost finished with that.

1187
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,820
So there's we're you know, we're still finishing

1188
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:21,000
up some of these base level features, but

1189
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,040
we're most of the way there.

1190
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,260
But this is I think this was an

1191
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:27,320
important thing.

1192
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:37,820
The Godcaster product fits into a section of

1193
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:40,320
podcasting 2.0 that I think is really

1194
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:40,800
important.

1195
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:46,750
We were we have been sort of building

1196
00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:51,610
and shepherding features based on what we're hearing

1197
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:56,130
from podcast app developers and hosting companies and

1198
00:48:01,470 --> 00:48:02,870
theoretical needs.

1199
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:10,040
But with a with an actual product, we

1200
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,360
now have real experience that is guiding us.

1201
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:21,240
We're building actual 2.0 things and we're

1202
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,460
doing it in a way where we get

1203
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:25,060
firsthand experience with it.

1204
00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:30,220
You know, many people use the podcast index

1205
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:34,020
API that are not traditional apps, but you

1206
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:35,060
just never see them.

1207
00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:35,640
Right.

1208
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,660
And I know this because every time a

1209
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:42,280
hiccup happens in the API, I get bombarded

1210
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:42,880
with emails.

1211
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,460
And there are people I forgot about.

1212
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,080
There are people that are using the API.

1213
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:50,580
We've got we've got people using the API

1214
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:54,300
that hit us with Python scripts that all

1215
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:55,920
they do is data analysis.

1216
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,340
We've got people using it.

1217
00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:02,400
We all the time get pings from universities.

1218
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:02,940
Yeah.

1219
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,920
Doing a research project, doing research projects.

1220
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,000
We have people using it for AI training.

1221
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:13,700
We have all kinds of things that are

1222
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,540
not traditional podcast apps.

1223
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,600
And the thing about the podcast index API

1224
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,540
is it is it is a it's a

1225
00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:26,800
full member of what podcasting 2.0 is.

1226
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,600
And it's going to even become more so.

1227
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:31,880
Podcasting 2.0 is not just the namespace.

1228
00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:33,940
We've had a lot of success with the

1229
00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:36,940
namespace, but that's it's not just that.

1230
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,300
Podcasting 2.0 on a technical level is

1231
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:45,340
the index, the namespace, pod ping and any

1232
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:49,820
other spec that people come along with and

1233
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:53,800
say, here's a thing that's wrong with podcasting.

1234
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,100
What can we do to fix it?

1235
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,900
And I want to fix it for this

1236
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:01,580
particular problem I have, which may not be

1237
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:04,740
a universal podcast app issue.

1238
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:06,200
Right.

1239
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:07,160
Yeah.

1240
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:12,640
And we're, you know, so a good example

1241
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,860
of that is like deprecating tags out of

1242
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:16,520
the namespace.

1243
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,880
I've never I've never wanted to do this.

1244
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:22,840
I've always been opposed to this.

1245
00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:26,480
I've been open to it, but I would

1246
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,940
need, you know, I just I just strongly

1247
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:33,280
feel uncomfortable with it.

1248
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,620
And I think we were shown this week

1249
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:38,120
why it's a bad idea.

1250
00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:42,120
You had transistor that came out of nowhere

1251
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,000
and added blue sky support to the social

1252
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,740
interact tag.

1253
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,080
So now all of a sudden they've taken

1254
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
a tag that everybody has claimed is dead.

1255
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:53,680
The social interact tag, where's my cross out

1256
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,820
comments, cross out comments that aren't going anywhere.

1257
00:50:57,260 --> 00:51:00,720
And then transistor comes out and based on

1258
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,140
their own desires, they like blue sky and

1259
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:05,560
then they start looking around and they're like,

1260
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:08,160
hey, look, just think called a social interact

1261
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:08,580
tag.

1262
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,520
We can take our love of blue sky

1263
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,320
and we can stick that in the social

1264
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,040
interact tag.

1265
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:16,420
And now all of our feeds have the

1266
00:51:16,420 --> 00:51:21,320
ability to deliver blue sky comments to apps.

1267
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:24,100
It's a delivery mechanism.

1268
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,580
Now, the apps are going to have to

1269
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:28,020
choose what to do with that information.

1270
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,500
They can ignore it or they can embrace

1271
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:33,160
it, but it's now there, whereas it was

1272
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:33,940
not there before.

1273
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,360
I can see an app that embraces this

1274
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,840
becoming the de facto podcast app for blue

1275
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,600
sky users.

1276
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:44,560
Believe me, it's yes.

1277
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,280
I mean, I see this opportunity.

1278
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,300
It's so big.

1279
00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:49,160
And of course, I look at the boardroom

1280
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,940
and I see the blue cry blue cry.

1281
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:54,980
I mean, I have the same opinion, but

1282
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:56,980
hey, but I'm not here just because of

1283
00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:57,880
my own opinions.

1284
00:51:58,260 --> 00:51:59,100
We're here.

1285
00:52:00,060 --> 00:52:01,380
Technology is agnostic.

1286
00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:02,800
It can be used for peace.

1287
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,980
It can be used for war.

1288
00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:06,540
And it doesn't really matter to me.

1289
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,840
So if we had, but if we had

1290
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,660
said three, you know, if we had said

1291
00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:15,020
three months ago, the social interact tag, it's

1292
00:52:15,020 --> 00:52:17,080
just, it's just not, it's not getting adopted.

1293
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Nobody's using it.

1294
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:20,300
Let's just deprecate it.

1295
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,640
Well, exactly.

1296
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:23,540
Then we would have take, we would have

1297
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:26,380
cut the knees out from under transistor and

1298
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:27,320
they would have had, they would have had

1299
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,420
to build some new thing on their own

1300
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:35,320
that didn't have the, the possibility of the

1301
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,720
adoption that we, that we see with social.

1302
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,220
That's such a great example, Dave.

1303
00:52:41,220 --> 00:52:42,520
And I forgot to put it on my

1304
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:42,820
list.

1305
00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:46,280
I really encourage anyone who, if you want

1306
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,700
to have a successful application that has podcasts

1307
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:51,180
and comments, I'm not, I'm going to call

1308
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:52,080
it a podcast app.

1309
00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:56,780
There's a, it's like, wow.

1310
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,000
I mean, the hole is so big.

1311
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,520
I can spin a 747 around in it.

1312
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,860
It's like, come on, let's go build it.

1313
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,360
They're waiting.

1314
00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:05,820
They are waiting for it.

1315
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,620
Let them figure out what, what podcast they

1316
00:53:08,620 --> 00:53:10,340
want to surface or what they want to,

1317
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,040
what they want to highlight that that's the

1318
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:13,760
opportunity.

1319
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:18,060
And it's, and it's poetic justice that, that

1320
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:19,300
transistor did this.

1321
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,740
Well, and, and then, and then now today

1322
00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:29,500
Apple, podcast TXT was one of, has been

1323
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:33,180
one of the most poo-pooed tags in

1324
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:33,760
the namespace.

1325
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:35,460
What is this thing for?

1326
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,280
It's silly.

1327
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,880
Nobody's going to use this thing.

1328
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,260
It's going to be niche forever.

1329
00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:43,660
And then Apple says, Hey, we just used

1330
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:45,260
it and stuck it into our documentation as

1331
00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:48,060
a recommendation because it fits a need for

1332
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:48,380
us.

1333
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,060
That's the nature of the nature of open

1334
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:59,680
source and collaborative projects is not some sort

1335
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,200
of plebiscite.

1336
00:54:02,420 --> 00:54:06,300
It's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a process.

1337
00:54:06,460 --> 00:54:10,360
Instead, it's a process where we try to

1338
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,580
convince each other of a good idea.

1339
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Everybody takes a shot at convincing everybody else,

1340
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,740
whether something's a good idea, knowing in advance

1341
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:23,680
that you're never going to get unanimity, but

1342
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,100
there might be enough people that get on

1343
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:30,880
board that are willing to do some development

1344
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,020
and, and create and bring a thing to

1345
00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:33,460
life.

1346
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:36,500
And then six months, a year, five years,

1347
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,460
10 years later, somebody picks that thing up

1348
00:54:39,460 --> 00:54:41,060
and makes something beautiful out of it.

1349
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,700
That's the way this stuff works.

1350
00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:45,160
It's not a product delivery.

1351
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:46,960
Here's another example.

1352
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:51,600
As I have seen this huge influx of

1353
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,320
P of interest for local podcasts and people

1354
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,480
have emailed me, they say, thank you for

1355
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:57,300
bringing this up.

1356
00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:59,400
We're already doing it.

1357
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,160
I got this great, this is great to

1358
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,740
local podcasts in Saskatoon, Canada.

1359
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:05,500
Those guys are out of control.

1360
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:07,120
They do a daily show.

1361
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,140
They've got local, the local lumber yard is

1362
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:10,920
sponsoring it.

1363
00:55:11,020 --> 00:55:12,460
I mean, it's, it's perfect.

1364
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:17,080
Here's an, here's an idea, a local podcast

1365
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,820
application.

1366
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,340
How, how can I find the podcasts that

1367
00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:23,240
are in my area?

1368
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:27,000
Now that means that the podcast will have

1369
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,880
to start using the, um, the location tag.

1370
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:33,780
And many of them do most don't, but

1371
00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:36,100
you watch when there's a place for them

1372
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,020
to surface for people to search, people start

1373
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:40,520
using that publish.

1374
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:43,960
We'll start using the location tag about every

1375
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,600
God, every Godcaster feed has a location tag

1376
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,840
based on the, what the user put in

1377
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,720
there as their radio stations location.

1378
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,460
And that's when P when you start, when

1379
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:59,380
you begin to have adoption like that, it

1380
00:55:59,380 --> 00:56:02,100
doesn't take long before the data guys out

1381
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:03,740
there start to really take notice.

1382
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:04,160
Yeah.

1383
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,560
Was it, is it listen.godcaster.com?

1384
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,720
Listen.godcaster.fm. Oh, .fm. I made a

1385
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,080
horrible marketing mistake there.

1386
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:15,180
Yeah.

1387
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:15,480
Yeah.

1388
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,960
So I mean, you, you go to listen

1389
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,620
.godcaster.fm and you just type in something

1390
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:21,480
like Texas and it shows you all the

1391
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,180
stations.

1392
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:23,300
Boom, boom.

1393
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,000
Look at that.

1394
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,100
How many are in Texas?

1395
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:27,120
One, two, three, four, five, a lot in

1396
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:27,480
Texas.

1397
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,800
So all, all these, the, this is, these

1398
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,520
are, this is not a podcast app.

1399
00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:38,080
Listen.godcaster.fm is not a podcast app.

1400
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,840
No, it's a search.

1401
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,260
It's a search engine, but we're using the

1402
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,480
location data out of the podcasting 2.0

1403
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,560
namespace to find, to find this stuff.

1404
00:56:47,660 --> 00:56:49,220
And it'll get better over time as we,

1405
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,980
you know, as we, uh, refine this with,

1406
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,280
with like James's new proposals for the location

1407
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,580
tag, uh, tag to, to tweak that and

1408
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:58,320
make that better.

1409
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:01,780
This is a, this is, I just think

1410
00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:03,480
we need to go back to this question

1411
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,520
of, of what Rob said.

1412
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Has it lived up to the expectations?

1413
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,180
What are the expectations?

1414
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:12,320
Yeah.

1415
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,860
In my, for my money, I come here

1416
00:57:15,860 --> 00:57:20,360
every Friday because it's so successful because of

1417
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,880
the success of what we've built here, which

1418
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,680
manifests itself in many different ways.

1419
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:30,040
If we're only thinking inbox structured podcast apps,

1420
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,540
well, you're going to get what you get,

1421
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,700
but that's not the success.

1422
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,400
You know, actually it was something on the

1423
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,100
new media show that Todd said, which I

1424
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,720
thought was really a salient point.

1425
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,080
He said, if you're going to start a

1426
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,480
show and you want to go to YouTube,

1427
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:50,420
this is not a video or audio question.

1428
00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:54,180
There's 160 million, I think that was the

1429
00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:59,860
number, YouTube channels versus 250,000 global weekly

1430
00:57:59,860 --> 00:58:03,140
podcasts or podcasts that update at least on

1431
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:04,260
a 10 day basis.

1432
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:05,580
Where do you want to be?

1433
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:08,120
Where do you, where do you, where do

1434
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,400
you think you can get some traction?

1435
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:10,800
Right.

1436
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,360
I mean, it's, it's, it's dead simple to

1437
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:15,560
me.

1438
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:19,960
And it's not a question of, is, I

1439
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,220
mean, we, we just had this huge, funny,

1440
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,120
I'll have to say a headline in Newsweek

1441
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:33,000
saying that this podcast, MediaTouch podcast, MediaTouch network

1442
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,960
had dethroned Joe Rogan.

1443
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,340
And they show the pod scribe, is it

1444
00:58:40,340 --> 00:58:40,820
pod scribe?

1445
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,340
The pod scribe stats.

1446
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,880
And pod scribe uses a tracking pixel.

1447
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:46,540
So I don't think it's, you know, I

1448
00:58:46,540 --> 00:58:47,500
don't think it's jacked.

1449
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:51,940
They probably, IAB 2.2394 compliant.

1450
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,760
But what they do is they have about

1451
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,820
100,000 downloads or 100,000 people and

1452
00:59:00,820 --> 00:59:02,880
they release 15 episodes a day.

1453
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,180
Well, do the math.

1454
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:06,540
Jeez.

1455
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:07,120
Yeah.

1456
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,580
So if you, you know, if you release

1457
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:11,420
15 episodes a day, you're going to get

1458
00:59:11,420 --> 00:59:14,460
to over a million downloads on a daily

1459
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:14,980
basis.

1460
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:16,140
And at the end of the month, you're

1461
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:18,040
going to look pretty good with 57 million.

1462
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,100
Oh, that's the, that's the Steve Bannon model.

1463
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,880
You, you, you release, instead of one four

1464
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,120
hour episode, you release four one hour episodes.

1465
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:26,800
Yeah.

1466
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:27,400
Yeah.

1467
00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:29,820
So, I mean, it's, it's, and it's absolutely

1468
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:30,340
valid.

1469
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,560
Now it's, is the content compelling?

1470
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,380
I think they probably have about 100,000

1471
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:36,760
people subscribed to, and this was not including

1472
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,120
YouTube.

1473
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,620
YouTube has similar numbers.

1474
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,140
But it was purely based on, on the

1475
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:42,940
download chart.

1476
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:45,140
And so I think, you know, and you

1477
00:59:45,140 --> 00:59:46,360
know, would they run bots?

1478
00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:48,160
Could they, could have, I don't think so.

1479
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:50,240
But I think that's a, that's a strategy

1480
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,460
and then do a press release and boom,

1481
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:54,360
you know, we dethrone Joe Rogan.

1482
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,200
People don't know.

1483
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,740
They don't know how that works.

1484
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:57,960
Right.

1485
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,000
There, there's so much going on under the

1486
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,900
sort of behind the scenes with all this

1487
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:08,120
stuff.

1488
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:11,180
I mean, Sam is adding, you know, he

1489
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:16,000
just added activity pub support for comments to

1490
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,420
true fans for, for comment threading.

1491
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,520
I mean, like these are all, all of

1492
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,340
these are major things that just happened this

1493
01:00:24,340 --> 01:00:24,840
week.

1494
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:25,360
Yeah.

1495
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,980
I don't, the, this whole concept of 2

1496
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:34,680
.0 being some kind of dead endeavor, it

1497
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,100
doesn't make any sense.

1498
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,780
There's no definition in the question of what,

1499
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,100
what success is.

1500
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,560
And if we think success has to be

1501
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,340
Adam going out and telling everybody to use

1502
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:48,780
these tags and more podcast apps to use

1503
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:49,300
these tags.

1504
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:52,260
Well, no, that, that, that's not success.

1505
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,080
And it's also not necessary anymore.

1506
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,740
That's, that's the main thing I'm trying.

1507
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,040
I can't hammer this home hard enough.

1508
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:04,520
Local podcasts will, will lift the tide for

1509
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,260
all, as you pointed out in particular for

1510
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:08,940
the, for the hosting companies.

1511
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,220
This is local podcasts.

1512
01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:11,480
Yeah.

1513
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:11,780
Yeah.

1514
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,920
This is where you want to be.

1515
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,460
This is, this, this is the audience.

1516
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,340
This is where you want to be marketing.

1517
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:19,400
You want to be, don't just tell people

1518
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,300
how they can start and grow their show.

1519
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:22,180
No offense, Todd.

1520
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:24,820
But how can you serve your community?

1521
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,980
How can you create a podcast for your

1522
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:28,280
church?

1523
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:30,140
How can you create a podcast for your

1524
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:30,760
scout group?

1525
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:31,600
Whatever it is.

1526
01:01:32,860 --> 01:01:36,680
This, that, that, that thing you just talked

1527
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,360
about with Rogan and the, what was the

1528
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,280
name of the other podcast?

1529
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:40,300
Midas Touch.

1530
01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:45,280
The podcast industrial complex is obsessed with things

1531
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:45,860
like this.

1532
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,920
It's obsessed with who's at the top, who's

1533
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,020
got the biggest audience, who's got the biggest

1534
01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:53,580
advertising budgets, who's got the, you know, it's

1535
01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:55,500
just, it's all a bunch, it's, it's a

1536
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:57,140
humongous popularity contest.

1537
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,620
But what drives actual podcasting, you know, ask

1538
01:02:02,620 --> 01:02:05,700
the hosting companies, what drives actual podcasting is

1539
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,280
normal people with small audiences.

1540
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,800
And I mean, well, they don't, they don't

1541
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,340
want the Rogans costing them a fortune.

1542
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,160
It's actually bad.

1543
01:02:17,580 --> 01:02:18,580
Yeah, it's bad.

1544
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,620
Like what, what drives podcasting as a, as

1545
01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:28,560
a, as a broadcast medium is the small,

1546
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:33,800
it's the humongous pool of people all doing

1547
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:33,980
it.

1548
01:02:33,980 --> 01:02:35,960
It's the, it's the suspensors and the blueberries

1549
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,300
and the day, the, the, the, um, Daniel

1550
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:39,480
J.

1551
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:42,640
Lewis is that, or, you know, that, that

1552
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,460
future of podcasting probably does, you know, has

1553
01:02:45,460 --> 01:02:47,100
the same size audience as our, as our

1554
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:51,420
show does not big, but it's a, it's

1555
01:02:51,420 --> 01:02:56,220
a great show and it adds to the

1556
01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:59,660
conversation and it adds to what podcasting is

1557
01:02:59,660 --> 01:03:00,260
as a medium.

1558
01:03:00,740 --> 01:03:02,940
All that, that is what podcasting is.

1559
01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:07,200
It's not, it's not these humongous gargantuan shows

1560
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,600
or it's just, that's not the future.

1561
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,440
Or humongous adoption of, of one type of

1562
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:13,780
app.

1563
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:15,280
Right.

1564
01:03:15,420 --> 01:03:15,840
Yes.

1565
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:16,860
Yes.

1566
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:18,860
And by the way, if you look at

1567
01:03:18,860 --> 01:03:22,040
Fountain, they've got their crap together, man.

1568
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:25,020
They're marketing, they're marketing all the time.

1569
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:26,700
They've got their own charts.

1570
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:29,360
They've got their own, you know, promotions.

1571
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,440
They've got all kinds of things they're doing

1572
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,100
and trying out.

1573
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,220
And you know, is it, is it making

1574
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:37,300
a dent in the, in the OP3 stats?

1575
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:39,840
No, but they're surviving.

1576
01:03:41,020 --> 01:03:44,340
You know, they're, they're, they're alive.

1577
01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:46,320
I think they pay themselves salaries.

1578
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:48,820
They were able to raise funding on it.

1579
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,740
Um, you know, I'm seeing that, you know,

1580
01:03:51,740 --> 01:03:54,820
they are 95% of all, uh, the,

1581
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:56,660
the boosts and the streaming traffic.

1582
01:03:57,660 --> 01:04:01,940
So, you know, you're either paying four to

1583
01:04:01,940 --> 01:04:04,860
5% of your streaming and boost traffic

1584
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:07,320
to them, or you're paying for a premium

1585
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:07,880
subscription.

1586
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,260
I get a premium subscription.

1587
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:09,820
I love it.

1588
01:04:10,340 --> 01:04:12,080
You get, you know, all kinds of extra

1589
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,060
things unlock and they're doing it for a

1590
01:04:14,060 --> 01:04:15,100
very specific audience.

1591
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,820
They don't need to be Apple.

1592
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:19,340
They don't need to be Spotify.

1593
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:22,840
No, they're, they're satisfying a whole different, and

1594
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,500
the tie into Noster is exactly what they

1595
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:26,200
should be doing.

1596
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,340
And we're never a go, we meaning the

1597
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:33,780
podcasting 2.0, the people who are involved

1598
01:04:33,780 --> 01:04:36,940
in it, are never, we're just never going

1599
01:04:36,940 --> 01:04:37,580
to do marketing.

1600
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:38,760
It's just never.

1601
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:40,280
Of what?

1602
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:42,220
What are we going to market?

1603
01:04:43,060 --> 01:04:45,300
But number one, it's just not who it's

1604
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:48,420
just not who we are as, as people.

1605
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:51,420
And the number two, it's not necessary because

1606
01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:55,160
I had a grand total of about three

1607
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,560
conversations with Ted Hossman in the last two

1608
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,320
years about the podcast TXT record as a

1609
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,260
solution to the verification need.

1610
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:04,880
And it's in it.

1611
01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:05,200
Boom.

1612
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:05,640
It's in.

1613
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:06,980
I never did a keynote.

1614
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,600
We didn't, we didn't pimp that thing.

1615
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,300
It just, what matters is does it meet

1616
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:14,860
your needs?

1617
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:17,080
We were standing outside the hotel at podcast

1618
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:17,480
movement.

1619
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,880
I think that's where the main conversation that

1620
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,740
took place right outside the lobby, if I

1621
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:23,080
recall.

1622
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:24,200
Right.

1623
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:24,400
Yeah.

1624
01:05:24,420 --> 01:05:25,860
And then we had a follow-up conversation

1625
01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:28,820
with it about it after and hashed out

1626
01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:32,300
a couple more details after they released transcripts.

1627
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:34,960
Was about a year ago.

1628
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,340
And so it's just not necessary.

1629
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,060
What, what, the only thing that matters is

1630
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:44,520
does this thing meet your need?

1631
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:47,580
And if it does, you're going to use

1632
01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:47,820
it.

1633
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,340
If it doesn't, you won't.

1634
01:05:50,220 --> 01:05:52,900
So if you want to see, we've mentioned

1635
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:53,320
it before.

1636
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,680
If you go to hellofred.fm, you'll see

1637
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,000
the Godcaster in action.

1638
01:05:58,180 --> 01:05:59,060
You'll see the live stream.

1639
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:01,060
The live stream is Adam's radio station.

1640
01:06:01,620 --> 01:06:04,860
It's my little radio station and I run

1641
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:07,900
it with with my friend, Jimmy, pastor Jimmy,

1642
01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:10,280
and we pick the music together.

1643
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,580
We, in this case, there's a couple of

1644
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:15,260
V4V songs in there, and I'd love to

1645
01:06:15,260 --> 01:06:18,740
add the remote item tag.

1646
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:20,300
We'll get in there eventually so we can

1647
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:22,620
stream them sats, but in general, it's licensed

1648
01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:23,200
music.

1649
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,380
And because it's a stream, I pay ASCAP

1650
01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:26,960
BMI through live 365.

1651
01:06:27,580 --> 01:06:29,540
So it's all doable because it's a small,

1652
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,320
it's a small community and I run promos

1653
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:32,680
in there.

1654
01:06:32,740 --> 01:06:34,600
And those promos are for local podcasts.

1655
01:06:35,180 --> 01:06:37,540
We have one guy, he does the Capitol

1656
01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:37,980
report.

1657
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,100
He goes to Austin and he comes back

1658
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:41,420
and then every week he gives a five,

1659
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:42,520
he's a five minute podcast.

1660
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,480
And he talks about what's being decided in

1661
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,060
the Texas legislature, which the people, his name

1662
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:50,840
is Matt and people know him from church

1663
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:51,740
and know him from town.

1664
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,160
Like, Hey, Matt, I heard you, I heard

1665
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:53,600
your report.

1666
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:54,220
That's great, man.

1667
01:06:54,540 --> 01:06:56,640
Everybody is happy about that.

1668
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:00,480
Here's the one, here's an opportunity and it's

1669
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:01,320
two pronged.

1670
01:07:01,380 --> 01:07:04,860
If anyone's interested in working with me on

1671
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:09,260
creating a hellofred.fm app for iOS and

1672
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:12,160
Android, and we have everything available.

1673
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:15,120
We have an API so you can tap

1674
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,160
right into that for the app.

1675
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,820
I would love to work with you on

1676
01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:20,460
doing that.

1677
01:07:20,460 --> 01:07:23,480
And the opportunity is, I'd love to have

1678
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,800
a couple of app developers.

1679
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,180
When we have one of our customers who

1680
01:07:28,180 --> 01:07:29,820
wants to do an app, they have a

1681
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:31,480
couple of places they can choose from.

1682
01:07:31,740 --> 01:07:34,040
Some of them are already going with some

1683
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,380
app companies, but I think there's an opportunity

1684
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:40,700
for people who want to work for radio

1685
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:44,460
stations, possibly churches, because that's all consolidated too,

1686
01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:44,960
by the way.

1687
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,740
And they're kind of hurting because you have

1688
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:52,980
these app companies and they've gone to all

1689
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:54,640
the radio stations and a lot of these

1690
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,300
stations are there and the app companies, they

1691
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:59,800
have a very set template and they may

1692
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,940
or may not want to add additional resources

1693
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:07,160
into integrating an API.

1694
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,420
A lot of them stick our PWA in

1695
01:08:10,420 --> 01:08:13,920
like a web view, which is fine, but

1696
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,000
you don't get all the CarPlay and Android

1697
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:17,880
auto features.

1698
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,420
And I think there's opportunity there and we'd

1699
01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:23,060
love to share with anyone who's interested.

1700
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:26,579
Yeah.

1701
01:08:27,140 --> 01:08:36,240
I think there's a big opportunity for podcasting

1702
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:41,279
2.0 apps in general to sort of

1703
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:45,720
white label themselves to a specific market.

1704
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:53,500
Rather than showing everybody the entire index, because

1705
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:55,240
that's not what Godcaster does.

1706
01:08:55,939 --> 01:08:59,460
For Godcaster, we have a curated set of

1707
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:04,979
feeds and most of the time as a

1708
01:09:04,979 --> 01:09:07,720
user, you're searching in that database of feeds,

1709
01:09:07,779 --> 01:09:11,580
which is only less than 2000 feeds and

1710
01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:15,520
they're feeds that cover 99% of what

1711
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,520
our specific customer base wants.

1712
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:22,620
And they can search the full index, but

1713
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:24,080
what happens is the way it works is

1714
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,439
if you try to add a feed to

1715
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,600
your player and that feed is not in

1716
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,899
the local database, then it searches the index.

1717
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,460
So you have to be real.

1718
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,840
It keeps people from just putting a bunch

1719
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:37,479
of junk in there.

1720
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:46,359
But any app, TrueFans, Podverse, Podcast Giver, any

1721
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,680
of these apps could spin off another app

1722
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,460
with a subset that targets a specific audience

1723
01:09:53,460 --> 01:09:57,120
and white label that app as another thing,

1724
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,880
because that's what happens in the church world.

1725
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,520
There's lots of app developers.

1726
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:04,540
If you go to a church, if you

1727
01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:07,940
look up a church on the app store,

1728
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:09,980
they may have an app and it's probably

1729
01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:12,620
from one of a handful of app developers

1730
01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:16,960
who just white label their base app as

1731
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:17,920
that church's name.

1732
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,460
And then they just bundle it, ship it

1733
01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:22,580
to the app store and they're done.

1734
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,680
You could do that as a podcast app,

1735
01:10:24,860 --> 01:10:30,580
you know, to give a very streamlined experience

1736
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:34,560
for just your target audience like, you know,

1737
01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:36,980
like Fredericksburg or Birmingham, Alabama.

1738
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,180
That way it shows up and you get

1739
01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:43,460
all the local SEO goodness and all that

1740
01:10:43,460 --> 01:10:44,600
kind of stuff kind of baked in.

1741
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:47,020
There's a lot of opportunities for that.

1742
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,540
So just briefly, since there seemed to be

1743
01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:53,860
a little bit of confusion about Podcast Index,

1744
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:54,920
I'll just reiterate.

1745
01:10:55,660 --> 01:10:57,940
Podcast Index is an LLC.

1746
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,220
Adam and Dave are the two partners.

1747
01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:03,960
We set it up as an LLC for

1748
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:04,600
two reasons.

1749
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:05,900
One for protection.

1750
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:08,820
That's why you have a limited liability company.

1751
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:11,340
So we can't be personally sued for anything

1752
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:13,380
that someone might go crazy about.

1753
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:15,660
And two, for control.

1754
01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:17,040
I'll be very honest about it.

1755
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,220
We want to control what its destiny and

1756
01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:20,240
what happens with it.

1757
01:11:20,940 --> 01:11:23,780
And the finances work as follows.

1758
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,900
Every Satoshi that we receive, and it's typically

1759
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:31,940
one sat per minute from almost every stream

1760
01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:34,340
that comes in.

1761
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:40,580
If you grab the value block from the

1762
01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:43,940
index and not from the feed, which I

1763
01:11:43,940 --> 01:11:45,500
don't know, I think most apps grab it

1764
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:46,260
from the index.

1765
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:47,000
I'm not sure.

1766
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:49,440
I know Podcast Guru doesn't.

1767
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:50,520
So I'm not sure.

1768
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,660
A lot of them will look it up

1769
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:54,220
first and then maybe look at the index

1770
01:11:54,220 --> 01:11:55,100
secondarily.

1771
01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:58,200
If it's from the index, then we insert

1772
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,660
a 1% fee.

1773
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,100
So if you just look at the index

1774
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,620
node, you'll see one sat, one sat, one

1775
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:07,220
sat, just continuously one sat.

1776
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:09,560
If someone sends a boost, then yay, we

1777
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,040
get 1% of that boost.

1778
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:15,280
All of the Satoshis from day one have

1779
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,180
stayed on the podcast index node.

1780
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:21,200
And with that, if you need a channel,

1781
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:23,060
and it was different a little bit earlier

1782
01:12:23,060 --> 01:12:25,980
on, now Albi Hub, there's LSPs in the

1783
01:12:25,980 --> 01:12:28,200
mix, but anyone who needs a channel, we'll

1784
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,180
open a channel to you.

1785
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,740
We have big channels open to some of

1786
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:32,540
the main players.

1787
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,760
And we use that purely for liquidity purposes

1788
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,840
to keep the lightning network flowing.

1789
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,540
All of the PayPals all go into our

1790
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:45,260
PayPal account, and then our, I guess, Dave,

1791
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,920
you regularly slush that off into the bank

1792
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:48,340
account.

1793
01:12:49,340 --> 01:12:53,620
So I have an automatic, all of our

1794
01:12:53,620 --> 01:12:56,500
hosting fees get paid automatically from the PayPal

1795
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:56,940
account.

1796
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,400
And then anything that's left, anything that's left

1797
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,580
in the account over a thousand dollars at

1798
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:06,640
the end of each week gets swept into

1799
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:07,280
the bank account.

1800
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,400
And so that money just stays in the

1801
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:10,060
bank account.

1802
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,280
At the end of the year, when it's

1803
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,740
tax time, because of the nature of the

1804
01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:18,960
LLC, Adam and Dave get taxed on the

1805
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,740
income minus the, you know, the corporate expenses.

1806
01:13:22,340 --> 01:13:25,080
And then we pay ourselves whatever our tax

1807
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,300
liability is so that we pay that to

1808
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:27,780
the IRS.

1809
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:29,160
And that's all.

1810
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:31,740
We don't take a penny, a penny of

1811
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:32,220
anything.

1812
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,360
And we're happy that way because we want

1813
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,520
to build this fund up long enough that

1814
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:50,380
if RSS.com and Buzzsprout and Blueberry and,

1815
01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:54,400
you know, all the individual $25 donors, if

1816
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,400
that dries up for some reason, that at

1817
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,500
least the index can continue for a number

1818
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:01,540
of years while we figure out what to

1819
01:14:01,540 --> 01:14:02,040
do with it.

1820
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,040
Right.

1821
01:14:03,660 --> 01:14:05,500
And I said this before, if that ever

1822
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:07,540
did, if that did happen, if the end,

1823
01:14:07,740 --> 01:14:11,020
if for some reason, all the, everybody pulled

1824
01:14:11,020 --> 01:14:11,140
out.

1825
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,520
We'd pay for it out of our own

1826
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:12,860
pocket.

1827
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:17,220
And then, and then, and then we could

1828
01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:20,600
run for two, three years, however long till

1829
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:21,520
the funds ran out.

1830
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,160
At that point, when the funds run out,

1831
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,240
I would just cut the index down to

1832
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,640
the bone and we'd pay for it out

1833
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,180
of our own pocket.

1834
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:30,700
Absolutely.

1835
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,860
And that that's another reason why we want

1836
01:14:34,860 --> 01:14:39,980
to decentralize the index is because in the

1837
01:14:39,980 --> 01:14:43,120
process, it lowers the hosting fees and makes

1838
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,080
all of this even makes all of this

1839
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:45,800
more sustainable.

1840
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:48,740
Yeah.

1841
01:14:51,250 --> 01:14:52,210
Well, I'm done.

1842
01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:53,210
I need to smoke now.

1843
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:56,710
Light up a cigarette, Dave.

1844
01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:57,790
A cig.

1845
01:14:58,110 --> 01:14:59,170
I need a ciggy.

1846
01:15:03,090 --> 01:15:05,410
I think it's, I think it's.

1847
01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:07,590
And I'm thankful, by the way, I'm, I'm

1848
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:10,270
very thankful to Mark and In and Around.

1849
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:11,770
Mark, it's Mark, isn't it?

1850
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:14,390
I think it is.

1851
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:15,750
Is that?

1852
01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:16,970
I think it is from In and Around.

1853
01:15:17,310 --> 01:15:17,410
Captivate?

1854
01:15:17,410 --> 01:15:18,750
Yeah, I think so.

1855
01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:21,210
Mark, Captivate?

1856
01:15:21,510 --> 01:15:21,990
I think so.

1857
01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:24,230
I don't think that's the same show.

1858
01:15:24,510 --> 01:15:25,810
Yeah, In and Around podcasting.

1859
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:28,170
Yeah, I think that's, I think it's Mark.

1860
01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:29,330
I may be wrong.

1861
01:15:29,410 --> 01:15:30,790
Come on, boardroom, help me out.

1862
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:31,290
Yes, Mark.

1863
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:31,730
Thank you.

1864
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:34,050
I'm very grateful that he did that.

1865
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:35,650
And I'm grateful he did that clickbait.

1866
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:37,150
Yeah, I'm grateful.

1867
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:37,470
Okay.

1868
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:39,750
That really was good.

1869
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:41,810
It was the jolt that we all needed.

1870
01:15:42,290 --> 01:15:46,110
It sparked my thinking, gave me clarity.

1871
01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:49,830
And I hope that we've, you know, that

1872
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:52,790
we've helped out here and that people, you

1873
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:54,570
know, sit back and let it swish around

1874
01:15:54,570 --> 01:15:56,050
in your brain for a second and think,

1875
01:15:56,110 --> 01:15:57,270
you know, what can I do with this?

1876
01:15:57,630 --> 01:15:58,870
What can I do with this?

1877
01:15:59,290 --> 01:16:00,330
I know there's a lot of people who

1878
01:16:00,330 --> 01:16:02,050
are purely interested in the content.

1879
01:16:02,710 --> 01:16:03,070
Okay.

1880
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:06,870
I mean, man, the music stuff, Ellen Beetz

1881
01:16:06,870 --> 01:16:07,610
is great.

1882
01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:11,570
I think that we have a lot of

1883
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:14,490
exploration we can do on the lit tag.

1884
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:19,170
And who was on, I was very impressed

1885
01:16:19,170 --> 01:16:22,330
with her on the podcast Weekly Review.

1886
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:28,090
Her name was Rookie Thomas of, Rocky, I'm

1887
01:16:28,090 --> 01:16:28,490
sorry, Rookie.

1888
01:16:28,570 --> 01:16:29,970
Rocky Thomas of Soundstack.

1889
01:16:30,150 --> 01:16:30,390
Rookie.

1890
01:16:30,910 --> 01:16:31,650
Sorry, Rocky.

1891
01:16:31,890 --> 01:16:33,050
Didn't mean to call you Rookie.

1892
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:35,250
Rocky Thomas of Soundstack.

1893
01:16:35,550 --> 01:16:37,950
She knew exactly what she was talking about.

1894
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:39,690
She knows about all of the tags.

1895
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:42,670
And she's very excited about the lit tag.

1896
01:16:42,730 --> 01:16:44,470
And I was delighted to hear that.

1897
01:16:44,610 --> 01:16:45,410
Oh, nice.

1898
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:46,250
Nice.

1899
01:16:46,710 --> 01:16:47,170
Nice.

1900
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:48,790
And I, you know, and this is something

1901
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:51,790
that is, you know, well, we've talked about

1902
01:16:51,790 --> 01:16:52,190
it before.

1903
01:16:52,290 --> 01:16:55,790
This is what radio stations need to pay

1904
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:56,510
attention to.

1905
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:59,410
This is, so much can be done with

1906
01:16:59,410 --> 01:16:59,630
this.

1907
01:16:59,790 --> 01:17:01,670
And I think, Eric, I think I have

1908
01:17:01,670 --> 01:17:03,890
to talk to Bemrose, but I think I'm

1909
01:17:03,890 --> 01:17:06,350
kind of considering setting up a Godcaster for

1910
01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:09,710
the No Agenda stream because, man, it really

1911
01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:10,510
is perfect.

1912
01:17:10,710 --> 01:17:12,750
It is perfect for the No Agenda stream

1913
01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:15,970
with the 24-7 stream and then put

1914
01:17:15,970 --> 01:17:19,150
in all the podcasts that are featured on

1915
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:19,550
the stream.

1916
01:17:19,710 --> 01:17:21,950
You can rearrange them so we know what's

1917
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:23,830
coming up next, or there's a whole bunch

1918
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:24,130
of things.

1919
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:25,570
And then, of course, you can subscribe to

1920
01:17:25,570 --> 01:17:28,350
it, to the entire No Agenda stream arsenal

1921
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:30,950
of podcasts in any podcast app.

1922
01:17:32,170 --> 01:17:34,470
Booper, you just posted some kind of screenshot

1923
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:37,110
from a, looks like a Nostra chat where

1924
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:39,350
Sam Means from Wavelake is talking about the

1925
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:42,750
podcast index LLC privacy policy in terms of

1926
01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:43,110
service.

1927
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:46,270
I don't really know what is being said

1928
01:17:46,270 --> 01:17:50,990
there, but let me just like state this

1929
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:52,370
on the record.

1930
01:17:53,250 --> 01:17:55,290
I have no idea what's in that thing.

1931
01:17:56,950 --> 01:18:02,510
That thing was created by Eric, who was

1932
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:04,370
a partner with us when we first launched

1933
01:18:04,370 --> 01:18:04,770
this.

1934
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:11,230
And he wrote, or he birthed that entire

1935
01:18:11,230 --> 01:18:11,690
thing.

1936
01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:14,310
And I honestly have- It's probably copy

1937
01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:15,630
pasted from somewhere else.

1938
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:17,070
I think it is.

1939
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:21,250
What I'm trying to say is, no, well,

1940
01:18:21,370 --> 01:18:22,430
I'm trying to say two things.

1941
01:18:22,990 --> 01:18:24,910
First, we probably need to go and look

1942
01:18:24,910 --> 01:18:26,890
and actually see what's in that thing and

1943
01:18:26,890 --> 01:18:33,670
see if it's like, do privacy policies and

1944
01:18:33,670 --> 01:18:39,170
stuff really have to be so confusing?

1945
01:18:39,370 --> 01:18:41,330
Can't they just be straightforward?

1946
01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:45,350
I honestly just don't know what half of

1947
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:45,850
it means.

1948
01:18:46,590 --> 01:18:50,690
And the other thing is, don't get too

1949
01:18:50,690 --> 01:18:51,970
hung up on it because I think it's

1950
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:55,350
basically, it's like it got written by AI

1951
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:55,790
or something.

1952
01:18:56,010 --> 01:19:01,640
I don't, any specific thing in there is,

1953
01:19:03,340 --> 01:19:04,840
like I said, we don't even know what's

1954
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:05,080
in there.

1955
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:06,600
All right, fine.

1956
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:09,060
Like if you're freaked out by something that

1957
01:19:09,060 --> 01:19:12,000
says in there, I mean, like email it

1958
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,280
to me and we'll like, I don't know.

1959
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:14,980
We'll try to figure it out.

1960
01:19:15,020 --> 01:19:17,180
I think it's purely just lawyer stuff.

1961
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,300
Yeah, of course it is.

1962
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:20,500
Eric was just trying to keep us from

1963
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:21,120
getting sued.

1964
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:24,540
What it looks like, and I don't know

1965
01:19:24,540 --> 01:19:26,820
why Sam is doing that, but it looks

1966
01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:31,420
like he is saying that if we or

1967
01:19:31,420 --> 01:19:33,320
our assets are acquired, if we go out

1968
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,160
of business or bankrupt, then we can transfer

1969
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:37,160
all the assets.

1970
01:19:37,700 --> 01:19:41,220
Well, yeah, I guess we could, but ultimately...

1971
01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:43,040
But we could do anything we want though.

1972
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,760
Yeah, I mean, ultimately it comes down to

1973
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,220
trust.

1974
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,640
And as we've stated quite clearly, we want

1975
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,200
to decentralize the index.

1976
01:19:51,380 --> 01:19:53,720
So if you're really worried, then help us

1977
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:54,640
decentralize.

1978
01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:56,780
Oh, sure.

1979
01:19:56,940 --> 01:20:00,900
Like, I mean, it's not just that that

1980
01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:02,860
thing says it that makes it where we

1981
01:20:02,860 --> 01:20:03,360
could do that.

1982
01:20:04,380 --> 01:20:06,080
We could just do it.

1983
01:20:06,180 --> 01:20:09,220
I mean, but it's not about, it's not

1984
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:11,200
a privacy policy that keeps us from being

1985
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:11,920
douchebags.

1986
01:20:12,860 --> 01:20:14,880
It's the fact that we're not douchebags.

1987
01:20:15,220 --> 01:20:15,960
Yeah, exactly.

1988
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,720
That's what keeps us from doing stuff like

1989
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:18,040
that.

1990
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,160
It's not because we've been, oh my God,

1991
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,760
I really want to run off to Mexico

1992
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,720
with all the funds from Podcast Index, but

1993
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,520
this damn privacy policy is keeping me from

1994
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:27,940
doing it.

1995
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:28,040
We can't do it, Dave.

1996
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:28,800
We can't do it.

1997
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:31,880
It's not like that.

1998
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,500
It's just not the way that works.

1999
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:34,220
That's hilarious.

2000
01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:36,440
Well, let's see.

2001
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,720
Let's see what's in the Wavelake terms of

2002
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:39,120
service.

2003
01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:43,260
Is this a tit for tat?

2004
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:44,960
I'm just interested.

2005
01:20:45,340 --> 01:20:46,240
It doesn't really matter.

2006
01:20:47,020 --> 01:20:51,800
Look, there's never even any consideration of that

2007
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,780
because nobody would ever buy us anyway.

2008
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,420
What are you buying?

2009
01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,420
We're the most worthless thing in the whole

2010
01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:00,880
world.

2011
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,880
But what's your TAM?

2012
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,560
What's your total addressable market?

2013
01:21:05,340 --> 01:21:05,760
Yeah.

2014
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:06,860
What do you get?

2015
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:08,860
We already gave it all away.

2016
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:10,640
It's completely useless.

2017
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,180
What you get is an index that everybody

2018
01:21:14,180 --> 01:21:15,180
uses for free.

2019
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:19,060
Oh, man.

2020
01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:19,400
Oh, man.

2021
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,060
You get a tax bill at the end

2022
01:21:21,060 --> 01:21:21,340
of the year.

2023
01:21:21,380 --> 01:21:21,920
That's what you're buying.

2024
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:22,680
That's what you get.

2025
01:21:22,780 --> 01:21:23,540
Yeah, exactly.

2026
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,160
Anything else on your agenda, sir?

2027
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,780
I don't think so.

2028
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:33,660
Well, yes, I do have stuff, but I

2029
01:21:33,660 --> 01:21:34,480
just don't think we have time.

2030
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,900
All right.

2031
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:37,900
I want to talk because I've been working

2032
01:21:37,900 --> 01:21:44,620
on the new aggregator and it's as expected.

2033
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:45,600
It's been a challenge.

2034
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,520
But, you know, the initial runs are promising.

2035
01:21:49,820 --> 01:21:51,920
It's not doing much, but the initial runs

2036
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,560
are, you know, we're parsing like a gig

2037
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,660
of XML in about six and a half

2038
01:21:55,660 --> 01:21:56,040
seconds.

2039
01:21:56,900 --> 01:21:58,620
That's pretty quick.

2040
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,920
What kind of machine is that?

2041
01:22:02,380 --> 01:22:04,840
Uh, just a run of the mill, like

2042
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:05,860
Core i7.

2043
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:07,780
I mean, that's like, I think it's like

2044
01:22:07,780 --> 01:22:08,680
a three-year-old processor.

2045
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:10,080
It's not.

2046
01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:11,060
How much memory, though?

2047
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,340
You're reading it in your memory, right?

2048
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:15,900
The memory is not.

2049
01:22:16,620 --> 01:22:17,300
No, no, no, no.

2050
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,480
This is from the file system.

2051
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:19,560
Oh, really?

2052
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:20,160
Wow.

2053
01:22:20,340 --> 01:22:20,620
Yeah.

2054
01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:22,680
That's six and a half seconds off the

2055
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:23,180
file system.

2056
01:22:23,420 --> 01:22:25,500
We're not even at the memory part yet.

2057
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:26,080
Crazy.

2058
01:22:27,460 --> 01:22:29,700
No, it's, I mean, it's promising, but it's

2059
01:22:29,700 --> 01:22:30,300
hard.

2060
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:31,940
I, uh.

2061
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:32,980
We'll talk about it next week.

2062
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,180
I will say that, um, my.

2063
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:36,300
Wait, you're not going to be here next

2064
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:36,740
week, right?

2065
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,180
Uh, well, yeah, I am.

2066
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,060
Yeah, I'm here.

2067
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:40,720
When is it going to be?

2068
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:42,900
It's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

2069
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,660
So I come back late Wednesday night.

2070
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,740
I do no agenda Thursday morning and then

2071
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:48,500
we have our regular, uh, regular show.

2072
01:22:48,980 --> 01:22:51,220
Um, I will say that I've been receiving,

2073
01:22:51,220 --> 01:22:55,200
uh, payments on my strike wallet from the,

2074
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,700
from the 2.0 feed and it's working

2075
01:22:57,700 --> 01:22:58,440
beautifully.

2076
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,660
Um, I think most of these are probably

2077
01:23:02,660 --> 01:23:05,480
from fountain, but I don't know.

2078
01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:08,940
Fountain, they were putting in a links for

2079
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:10,600
me to read the whole thing, but they're

2080
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:11,360
not doing that anymore.

2081
01:23:11,420 --> 01:23:12,280
I'm not sure why.

2082
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,700
Uh, let me see.

2083
01:23:15,100 --> 01:23:15,840
Well, maybe not.

2084
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:16,900
Let me see who did.

2085
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,200
Um, let's see.

2086
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:23,220
Should we put our, I know I'm, I'm,

2087
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,200
I'm going backwards here, but should we put

2088
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,280
our privacy policy in terms of service as

2089
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,240
GitHub repos and then let people do pull

2090
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:30,920
requests on it?

2091
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:32,520
Fine with me.

2092
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,020
And then they can make it be whatever

2093
01:23:35,020 --> 01:23:35,480
they want.

2094
01:23:35,580 --> 01:23:35,760
Yeah.

2095
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:37,700
Yeah.

2096
01:23:37,900 --> 01:23:38,080
Okay.

2097
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:38,560
Yeah.

2098
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:39,140
Let's do it.

2099
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:40,000
That's fine with me.

2100
01:23:40,220 --> 01:23:41,160
I'm good with that.

2101
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,440
Open source, uh, private, I think it's more

2102
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:44,460
the terms of service.

2103
01:23:44,620 --> 01:23:45,940
I don't know if the privacy and what

2104
01:23:45,940 --> 01:23:46,400
privacy.

2105
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:47,140
Yeah.

2106
01:23:47,620 --> 01:23:51,440
That's uh, you know, isn't our API, do

2107
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:52,680
you have to have a key for the

2108
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:53,060
API?

2109
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:54,880
Did we ever make part of it open?

2110
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,920
Some calls are open, but, but others are,

2111
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,420
but most of them are key.

2112
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:01,740
Okay.

2113
01:24:02,260 --> 01:24:05,420
Well, let's thank some people who've supported, uh,

2114
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:07,320
this wonderful project.

2115
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:08,680
Okay.

2116
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,200
Starting with Randy black, one, three, two, one

2117
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:11,760
Satoshi.

2118
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,180
She says, go podcasting, salty crayon, 1701 beaming

2119
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:17,200
you up with some feel better karma.

2120
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,480
Dave reset with some bone broth, five by

2121
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:21,380
five in the beef.

2122
01:24:22,940 --> 01:24:23,560
I got it.

2123
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:24,700
I run, I got to run, get my

2124
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:25,120
paper.

2125
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:25,640
I'll be okay.

2126
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,980
I'll keep reading triple seven from Eric PP

2127
01:24:27,980 --> 01:24:29,280
with a Godcaster boost.

2128
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:29,800
Thank you brother.

2129
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:35,880
Uh, as discussed, uh, 1,200, 123,456

2130
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,740
Satoshi's from dreads, Dreb Scott, uh, who says

2131
01:24:38,740 --> 01:24:40,360
I find this, I find value in this

2132
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:40,760
project.

2133
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:41,660
We appreciate that.

2134
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,380
And Dreb, you don't have to do that

2135
01:24:43,380 --> 01:24:45,920
because you already provide so much value, uh,

2136
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,260
particularly doing the chapters for, uh, for the

2137
01:24:48,260 --> 01:24:48,680
board meeting.

2138
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:49,540
We appreciate that.

2139
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:55,760
A, uh, 77, 77 from Lyceum, uh, from

2140
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,640
coming in from, uh, true fans value for

2141
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,520
value, value verse music, sweet namespace talk, super

2142
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,840
comments, and other stuff are music to my

2143
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:04,260
ears.

2144
01:25:04,460 --> 01:25:06,680
Here is sound effect by Harpo marks.

2145
01:25:06,860 --> 01:25:08,160
Yes, you did the Harpo marks.

2146
01:25:08,180 --> 01:25:08,780
We've came in.

2147
01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:09,740
We all, we all heard it.

2148
01:25:09,860 --> 01:25:12,960
Maybe Camille Cary and Kennerly K kit of

2149
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,700
the harp twins could be interested in phantom

2150
01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:17,440
power music, wave Lake fountain, dot FM radio,

2151
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:17,920
et cetera.

2152
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,640
Go podcasting best premises.

2153
01:25:19,940 --> 01:25:20,960
Martin Lindeskog.

2154
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:24,480
He is, uh, of course, uh, Lyceum at

2155
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:27,560
true fans, dot FM, Mike Newman, triple seven,

2156
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:28,440
save the taggies.

2157
01:25:28,780 --> 01:25:30,280
And I hit the delimiter.

2158
01:25:30,980 --> 01:25:31,560
Nope.

2159
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:35,400
I've got a PayPal from our buddies at

2160
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,060
bus Brout a thousand dollars.

2161
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:37,960
There you go.

2162
01:25:38,940 --> 01:25:42,460
Shot caller 20 is blaze on the Impala

2163
01:25:42,460 --> 01:25:43,880
much appreciated boys.

2164
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:44,820
Thank you so much.

2165
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:46,700
I may you have straight to me.

2166
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,220
You have many local mortgage of my Mexican,

2167
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:50,540
my second home in Mexico.

2168
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:54,260
Wait, no, that's a, I think that's a

2169
01:25:54,260 --> 01:25:56,120
Sam Sethi has a second home in Mexico,

2170
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:56,980
doesn't he?

2171
01:25:57,220 --> 01:25:57,900
Oh, does he?

2172
01:25:57,980 --> 01:25:58,120
Yeah.

2173
01:25:58,220 --> 01:25:59,640
I heard him talking about it.

2174
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:00,700
Oh, nice.

2175
01:26:01,820 --> 01:26:03,020
That's always beautiful.

2176
01:26:03,220 --> 01:26:04,000
That's only the second.

2177
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,440
He may have a third or a fourth.

2178
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:07,680
I don't know this.

2179
01:26:07,940 --> 01:26:09,480
Uh, and we got the, thank you, bus

2180
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:09,800
Brout.

2181
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,900
Uh, we've also got a $300 from blueberry.

2182
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:14,580
There you go.

2183
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,940
Shot caller 20 is blaze on the Impala.

2184
01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:21,220
Thank you very much, Todd and crew.

2185
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:22,440
We appreciate you.

2186
01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:26,160
And, uh, Todd and the crew said, excited

2187
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,020
to see podcast index, get back into introducing

2188
01:26:29,020 --> 01:26:30,720
new features, the blueberry team.

2189
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,460
Well, we love the blueberry team.

2190
01:26:33,860 --> 01:26:34,520
We do.

2191
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:39,840
Uh, and I gotta get, um, I gotta

2192
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,620
get back in touch with what are you

2193
01:26:41,620 --> 01:26:42,200
doing, brother?

2194
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,140
I'm doing all kinds of stuff.

2195
01:26:44,140 --> 01:26:45,980
I'm gonna get back in touch with, uh,

2196
01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:48,540
with Tom over at bus Brout.

2197
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:52,080
Cause we, um, we've been taught, we've been,

2198
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:53,840
uh, batting some stuff around.

2199
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,300
Um, and then we ended, we ended up

2200
01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:58,140
with both, both our kids are in college.

2201
01:26:58,660 --> 01:27:00,900
And, uh, so we, I gotta, I gotta

2202
01:27:00,900 --> 01:27:03,700
get back over there with him and, uh,

2203
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:05,900
figure out, figure out where they're at.

2204
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,420
And I, I've, I'm, uh, talking to a

2205
01:27:08,420 --> 01:27:10,060
band over at RSS.com this week.

2206
01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:12,560
We got a call, just need to catch

2207
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,260
up with people, figure out where we're at

2208
01:27:14,260 --> 01:27:15,240
and what people need.

2209
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,100
And you know, it's just, it's just good

2210
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:22,080
to touch base, uh, sometimes and figure out

2211
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,940
what people need so we can help like

2212
01:27:24,940 --> 01:27:26,840
help prioritize what we're doing.

2213
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:27,680
Absolutely.

2214
01:27:28,140 --> 01:27:30,540
Um, cause not, not people don't always, they

2215
01:27:30,540 --> 01:27:31,560
don't always just offer it.

2216
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:32,920
Sometimes you got to check in.

2217
01:27:33,340 --> 01:27:34,760
Sometimes you got to drag it out of

2218
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:34,940
them.

2219
01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:35,860
Yeah.

2220
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:37,040
Let's see.

2221
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:40,460
We got, uh, Oh, here we go.

2222
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:42,900
Uh, we got some boost.

2223
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,400
Oh, wait, we got another, uh, PayPal.

2224
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:47,080
Where'd we get?

2225
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,700
Oh, this is, Oh, here we go.

2226
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:51,300
We got a last minute PayPal from Dave

2227
01:27:51,300 --> 01:27:52,920
Jackson school of podcasting, $50.

2228
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:54,720
Thank you very much, Dave Jackson.

2229
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,080
He says, congrats on the Godcaster launch.

2230
01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:59,980
Can we get back to making streaming sats

2231
01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:00,320
easy?

2232
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,140
Adam do a webinar to show off Godcaster

2233
01:28:03,140 --> 01:28:04,780
recorded and then use it as a demo.

2234
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:06,680
Geeks want to know what tech is under

2235
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:07,820
the hood for streaming live.

2236
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:08,240
Yay.

2237
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,680
Uh, thank you, Dave Jackson.

2238
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:12,460
Appreciate that.

2239
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,840
And now let's see, we've got some boosts

2240
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:17,080
here.

2241
01:28:17,660 --> 01:28:19,200
Always got to sort it.

2242
01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:20,960
Uh, there we go.

2243
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:22,560
I got way too many emails in my

2244
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,500
box that we got.

2245
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:28,080
I'll be 1984 through fountain says, love the

2246
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,700
intellectual episode 4,000 sets.

2247
01:28:30,900 --> 01:28:32,480
Thank you.

2248
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:37,860
Uh, we got Jean bean 10 24.

2249
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,480
That's a killer boost through Castamatic says for

2250
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:43,500
what it's worth world community grid and Rosetta

2251
01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:45,560
at home run the same way said he

2252
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,980
did, but both give atta boys and such

2253
01:28:47,980 --> 01:28:50,500
and help you see how what your computer

2254
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:51,520
is doing matters.

2255
01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:52,620
Yeah.

2256
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:54,360
I think that's part, I think that needs

2257
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,280
to be part of this.

2258
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,460
Um, you know, I think it needs to

2259
01:28:59,460 --> 01:29:03,100
be part of it because it's important that

2260
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:06,840
your compute cycles aren't just being blown, you

2261
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,140
know, blown up all the time.

2262
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:09,780
You did, you actually see that it's doing

2263
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:10,240
something.

2264
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:13,680
I don't know exactly how to do that

2265
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,720
yet, but I D I think the feedback

2266
01:29:16,220 --> 01:29:17,100
is important.

2267
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,240
I think that's a good observation.

2268
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:23,200
Jean, um, Jean bean sent a 22 22.

2269
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:26,120
He says what Dave is describing about how

2270
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,960
the index could be sharded out reminds me

2271
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,240
a lot of Boink B O I N

2272
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,340
C Boink Boink.

2273
01:29:33,620 --> 01:29:36,480
It's at B O I N C dot

2274
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:37,760
Berkeley dot edu.

2275
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,060
That's the underpinning of world community grid Rosetta

2276
01:29:41,060 --> 01:29:42,440
at home and many other projects.

2277
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:43,200
Okay.

2278
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:43,940
Oh, okay.

2279
01:29:44,060 --> 01:29:44,420
Boink.

2280
01:29:44,860 --> 01:29:46,780
Maybe it ties into a DHT somewhere.

2281
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,040
Observe the Boink.

2282
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:49,320
Okay.

2283
01:29:50,180 --> 01:29:51,400
Uh, let's see.

2284
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,660
And we got comments for a blogger 15

2285
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:57,000
,150 sats through fountain.

2286
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,080
He says, howdy, Dave and Adam grumpy old

2287
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,600
Ben's podcast is on hiatus because Ben Rose

2288
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,260
got well-paid job in Seattle as manager

2289
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:07,840
of delivery driver for Amazon.

2290
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,320
So I'd like to recommend another grumpy pod,

2291
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,200
grumpy old dames at www dot grumpy old

2292
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,700
dames.com by lady loca and my fellow

2293
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:23,460
Pomeranian are art of aficionado lady Vox, the

2294
01:30:23,460 --> 01:30:28,020
singer quote from their website, quote dames are

2295
01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:29,300
the ambassadors of womanhood.

2296
01:30:29,780 --> 01:30:32,520
They offer a mature female perspective end quote.

2297
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,060
In last episode, they talk love, no agenda,

2298
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:37,680
how women find men.

2299
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:39,560
Yo CSP.

2300
01:30:39,740 --> 01:30:41,480
Oh, how women find men.

2301
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:42,140
Oh, there's one.

2302
01:30:42,220 --> 01:30:43,140
I got to tune into.

2303
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,560
I've always wanted to.

2304
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:45,480
That's right.

2305
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,080
It's a church, of course, a church.

2306
01:30:48,700 --> 01:30:50,140
Did you have as well?

2307
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,820
I guess the monthly's got Jean Liverman, $5,

2308
01:30:53,380 --> 01:30:55,860
uh, new media productions as a Todd and

2309
01:30:55,860 --> 01:30:56,620
Rob $30.

2310
01:30:56,940 --> 01:30:57,820
Ooh, thank you.

2311
01:30:57,820 --> 01:30:59,620
Michael Hall, $5 and 50 cents.

2312
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,080
Timothy voice, $10.

2313
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:02,160
Trevor.

2314
01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:04,400
That's down under Satan's lawyer.

2315
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,160
He's way down under $5.

2316
01:31:06,780 --> 01:31:07,720
Boy, Steen.

2317
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:08,920
Yes.

2318
01:31:09,860 --> 01:31:12,340
The O has a little slash through it.

2319
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:13,900
So, you know, it's legit $5.

2320
01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:17,340
Jorge Hernandez, $5 and Michael Goggin, $5.

2321
01:31:17,740 --> 01:31:18,660
Thank you so much.

2322
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:20,820
And a reminder, I think Oisín comes on

2323
01:31:20,820 --> 01:31:22,920
with his mutton meat and music after the,

2324
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,940
uh, uh, after the board meeting.

2325
01:31:25,020 --> 01:31:26,560
He's been doing that for every Friday for

2326
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:27,080
quite a while.

2327
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:28,320
So you can just stay tuned.

2328
01:31:28,740 --> 01:31:30,840
And, uh, I think he actually stays in

2329
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:31,840
the 2.0 chat.

2330
01:31:32,020 --> 01:31:34,540
I believe, I believe all the time.

2331
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:35,300
He just never leaves.

2332
01:31:35,420 --> 01:31:37,380
No, he's just, he's just glued to it.

2333
01:31:37,420 --> 01:31:38,840
He's just there all the time.

2334
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:40,860
Uh, we did get a late boost from

2335
01:31:40,860 --> 01:31:42,920
gaggle pod, 77, 77.

2336
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:44,620
Great to be among the walking dead.

2337
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,060
Podcasting 2.0 is far from dead.

2338
01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:48,800
So as long as one of us is

2339
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,940
still carrying the innovation torch, have a great

2340
01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:52,660
weekend and go podcasting.

2341
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:53,440
Beautiful.

2342
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,480
Thank you all so much for being here

2343
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:56,420
at the board meeting today.

2344
01:31:56,580 --> 01:31:58,580
Thank you for participating in our value for

2345
01:31:58,580 --> 01:32:01,120
value project to keep all of the machines

2346
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,980
worrying and the steam coming out of the

2347
01:32:02,980 --> 01:32:03,260
pipes.

2348
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,160
Uh, go to podcastindex.org down at the

2349
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,480
bottom, you can, uh, you'll find a big

2350
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:10,480
red PayPal button and it would be great.

2351
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,700
You know, if someone could put our, uh,

2352
01:32:12,700 --> 01:32:14,800
do a poll request at our, uh, our

2353
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,220
on chain, um, address there, that'll be cool.

2354
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,240
So that people can donate if they just

2355
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,200
want to donate on chain, you know, you

2356
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:24,920
might have a Bitcoin laying around, you know,

2357
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,960
send it off to podcasting next, just saying.

2358
01:32:27,500 --> 01:32:28,780
Um, so you can use that for your

2359
01:32:28,780 --> 01:32:29,640
Fiat fund coupons.

2360
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,340
And of course all of the modern podcast

2361
01:32:31,340 --> 01:32:32,940
apps that understand how it works, you can

2362
01:32:32,940 --> 01:32:33,420
boost us.

2363
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:34,780
Uh, it does matter.

2364
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,620
And everyone gets to participate in the benefits

2365
01:32:37,620 --> 01:32:40,900
of that, which is liquidity for all Dave.

2366
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,020
It must, is it busy again for you?

2367
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:45,080
Is it, is it, uh, you know, now

2368
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,460
that all the IRS agents are being fired,

2369
01:32:47,500 --> 01:32:48,600
does that mean you guys have to do

2370
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,280
more work or is everyone just happy?

2371
01:32:50,300 --> 01:32:52,260
Like, Oh, we can sit back and relax.

2372
01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:53,460
There's no audits this year.

2373
01:32:53,980 --> 01:32:56,480
No, the worst part about IRS agents getting

2374
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,100
fired is that you still get all the

2375
01:32:58,100 --> 01:32:59,760
letters, but you just can't get anybody on

2376
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:00,140
the phone.

2377
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:02,700
He's just sending it into a big black

2378
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:03,080
hole.

2379
01:33:03,620 --> 01:33:04,980
The letters don't stop.

2380
01:33:04,980 --> 01:33:05,680
Believe me.

2381
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:06,900
All right, brother.

2382
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:07,700
Thank you so much.

2383
01:33:07,780 --> 01:33:10,320
Appreciate you and have yourself a great weekend.

2384
01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:11,280
All right.

2385
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:11,700
You too, bro.

2386
01:33:11,780 --> 01:33:13,080
And everybody in the board meeting.

2387
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:13,900
Thank you very much.

2388
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:14,520
Board members.

2389
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:15,440
Good to have you here.

2390
01:33:15,540 --> 01:33:17,640
We will be back Friday and I'll bring

2391
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,200
some information back from Dallas.

2392
01:33:19,380 --> 01:33:19,740
I'm sure.

2393
01:33:20,020 --> 01:33:22,140
We'll see you right here on podcasting 2

2394
01:33:22,140 --> 01:33:39,610
.0. You

2395
01:33:39,610 --> 01:33:43,750
have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit

2396
01:33:43,750 --> 01:33:46,910
podcast index.org for more information.

2397
01:33:48,110 --> 01:33:48,830
Go podcasting.

2398
01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:50,690
It can be used for peace.

2399
01:33:50,750 --> 01:33:51,830
It can be used for war.