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Adam Curry: podcasting cuboid
over July 1994 Episode 185

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everybody we are back once again
oh the saddle feels so good

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welcome to podcast. We are the
official boardroom boy no

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family, everything is going on
in podcasts and you want to know

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what the future is it starts
right here we are the only

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boardroom that thumbs its nose
at the blue screen of death. I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and in

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Alabama the man who can reboot
four domain controllers with one

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hand tied behind his back to a
friend on the other end Mr.

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Jones

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Dave Jones: international
blistering day.

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Adam Curry: Everybody blue
screen

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Dave Jones: you never saw like
as a as a corporation or

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organization or anything you
never want to have like a date

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named after you like seven
nights?

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Adam Curry: Yeah. Yeah, no, you
don't like Jan

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Dave Jones: six? You just don't
ever want well, do

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Adam Curry: you want me just
call it J 19. Make it easy.

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That's it's easy to remember J
19. Day everybody. And the thing

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that bothers me and I do want
because you are a systems

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administrator, amongst many
other important jobs. The thing

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that bothers me so much is when
I see reporting that says, You

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know what, what am I going to
say?

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Dave Jones: Glitch?

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Adam Curry: Blame it on the
glitch? Just working 10 minutes,

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it wasn't that hard to blame it

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Unknown: on the glitch. Yeah,
well, reporters don't care. This

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kind of day. Here's a song I

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Adam Curry: was going to keep
going with intro

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Unknown: to the song idea. Find
this song. It's Michael Jackson,

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blame it on the boogie to blame
it on the glitch. You can think

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that I think it can be done

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Adam Curry: it could be blamed
on the button.

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Unknown: Now that sounds too
similar. I can hear three rights

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alerts to get the rhymes right.
I

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Adam Curry: can hear Chris
popping the beer as we speak.

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Don't

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Unknown: blame it on the bass.
Don't blame it on the blame

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around the glitch.

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Adam Curry: You call this a
glitch. All right, I got my

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system

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Dave Jones: glitch glitch
listings, where you're where

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your screen blinks and you're
like, Wait,

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Adam Curry: what is going on? I
know that is that

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Dave Jones: is a glitch, a a
global a global event that

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brings down a banking system.
And airlines. That

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Adam Curry: is not a good it's
not a glitch. No. And you know,

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so I woke up this morning. I
think well, I saw your message

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first. But then I looked at my
daughter who works in healthcare

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in the Netherlands at Holland
man Schiphol Airport KLM they

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are they part of Microsoft? I
mean, are they an annex of

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Microsoft? Everything was she
could make phone calls, you

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know, everything was completely
hosed. And then of course, I see

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all the messages. And and at
that point, I didn't know what

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it was. And you're like, Well,
probably not going to be a show

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today. And like, oh, no, no, we
can go three weeks without a

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board meeting. No,

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Dave Jones: it was so like ag I
started reading No, I was I was

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rotten, the toilet scroller this
morning as one does about 615.

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And I start seeing these
reports. And I'm like, Ha, what

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is this? I start looking at my
oh, gosh, that sounds bad. And

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then there's like, it's related
to crowd a bad CrowdStrike

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update. And I was like, Oh,
crap. Yeah. So I flip over to my

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email and start trying to
interpret, start trying to

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interpret what I'm seeing in
corporate email to what is know

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about what's happening in the
news. And I'm like, Oh, this is

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bad. Yeah. And it turns out like
a lot of times, so think, so

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here's the, for people who are
not like, fully understanding

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what the tech is here. I mean,
CrowdStrike is what they call a

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Adam Curry: piece of crap.
Sorry, that just slipped out. I

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didn't mean that.

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Dave Jones: Grandpa CrowdStrike
is an in endpoint security

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platform. So you it's, it's what
you used to call antivirus. But

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it's evolved anti viruses
evolved in the corporate world

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to be way more comprehensive
than this. So it's doing it's

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doing so many things that Steve
is doing heuristics. It's doing

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traditional signature scans.
It's looking for behaviors that

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are that are funky. So like, for
instance, if I open an Excel

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spreadsheet in that Excel
spreadsheet and goes out and

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downloads a binary file off the
internet and attempts to run it,

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yeah, that's odd behavior. Cloud

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Adam Curry: strike will go stop,
stop, stop. That's not cool.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, right. So that
is highly suspicious behavior.

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So it looks it has all these
heuristics in in it, that, that

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looks for these sorts of things.
And one of the so it is

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constantly getting just like
antivirus is constantly getting

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fed these new signatures,
signature files, to update its

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itself to look to see the latest
problems. And to recognize them

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is this happens with antivirus,
we about 10 years ago, the

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company I was with had was at
the time was using Trend Micro

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Trend Micro had is maybe 1012
years ago, Trend Micro

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misinterpret pushed out a
signature update that

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misidentified remote, a remote
assistance software that we were

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using as a virus. So where you
know where you can like take

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over somebody's screen and help
them out remotely? Yeah. So it

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uninstalled it from everybody's
machine.

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Adam Curry: So it has that
permission as well to just

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uninstall stuff. Get

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Dave Jones: delete files
quarantine entire machines. Oh,

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it's

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Adam Curry: Wow, that's,

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Dave Jones: that's very
powerful.

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Adam Curry: Very powerful. Yeah.

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Dave Jones: So what like one
thing you can do? There's,

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there's settings within a lot.
So the two primary competitors

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are CrowdStrike and carbon
black, right? Like, at the top

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level, when we're talking about,
you know, enterprise, high value

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targets. Yeah, you're usually
either gonna find CrowdStrike or

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carbon black CrowdStrike is by
far the most dominant now, it

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used to be the other way around.
So those are those are your two

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biggies. So crap that both of
those products will do things

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like if it notices suspicious
network activity, it will shut

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down the network cards on the on
the machine to only allow to

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allow nothing but the
CrowdStrike agent to communicate

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with it. So that you as the
administrator could like

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remotely go in communicating
with the CrowdStrike agent on

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that machine. But

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Adam Curry: it has to actually
have been booted up. Yes. In

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order for that to take place.

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Dave Jones: Yes. Yeah. So that
so what happened? Was they

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pushed out? Yeah, in this
update. So CrowdStrike, that

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CrowdStrike? Agent?

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Adam Curry: Can I ask? Can I ask
you a question? Because this is

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highly fascinating to me. First
of all, don't blame DNS,

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everybody. For this one time. It
wasn't DNS, sec. Is it typical

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for any company? And maybe
specifically CrowdStrike to push

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an update on a Friday morning?

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Dave Jones: These guys push
updates 12. Okay. But look, if

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they if they noticed something,
they're constantly pushing

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updates, I mean, sometimes
hourly, okay. So I don't know

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exactly what kind of update this
was. I don't know if this was a

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like a virus signature update.
I'm not sure yet. But what the

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CrowdStrike agent is, and this
applies to, you know, carbon

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black and others as well, it is
a kernel driver as a kernel

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driver. It's just like a video
card driver or anything else

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like it has access to ring zero.
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Adam Curry: so this is why you
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it bypasses all those kinds of
add ons. Right.

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Dave Jones: And it's I think, if
I'm not mistaken, the part of it

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they dot that didn't cause the
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That's the, what they call a
network filter driver. And that,

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because if you if you boot up in
safe mode at work, if you boot

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up in Safe Mode with networking,
it doesn't it will still cry,

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right? So what you saw what
everybody has to do in this

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applies to everybody across the
globe, if you're affected by

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this, every machine that has
this problem, you're going to

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have to walk to that machine,
physically with with either a

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flat, Windows bootable flash
drive, or just go to the

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machine. If it's got a recovery
partition and boot into that,

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you're going to have to drop to
a command line and remove the

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latest update file, then reboot
the machine. So that's and

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that's that's if the that's if
the disk is not BitLocker

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encrypted if it's BitLocker.

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Adam Curry: I've lived in
BitLocker encrypted for a couple

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of like a two weeks so I'm
switching just hearing about it.

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Dave Jones: what happened If the
if the C drive is BitLocker

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encrypted is that which most, if
you're doing your job writing

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corporate it is, is you you boot
up, go into the recovery part

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into the recovery tools, go to
the command line. And as soon as

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it tries to drop into a command
line to unlock the C drive, it's

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going to come up and ask for a
recovery key, which you have to

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go get from Microsoft, which you
have to either know, well, in a

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corporate invite, you're gonna
have to get it out of Active

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Directory. Yeah. So you're gonna
have to go into Active

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Directory, find that machine
print the Recovery Code, which

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is a grouping, like and then

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Adam Curry: type it in a million
times. You never stop typing. I

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know, like, 40883 I know some of
those by heart now. Yeah,

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Dave Jones: it's it's eight
groups of six numbers. Yes, it's

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48 numbers. So you type all this
stuff on a stuff out, and then

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you drop into command line, then
you have to go and delete the

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file and reboot. You're gonna
have to do this, like here. I

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heard this morning UAB, the
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Adam Curry: Birmingham, oh, they
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machines.

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Dave Jones: I mean, no, 10s of
1000s of machines is across

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their entire network across the
entire college is down. Oh, no.

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They had they're the biggest
employer in the state. They

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have, like 100,000 employees.

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Adam Curry: And so every single
one of those individual machines

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that accesses through the domain
controller got this update, is

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that how it works? Every

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Dave Jones: every agent of
CrowdStrike is an independent

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entity. So all communicate,

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Adam Curry: here's so I so I
posted some stuff. And the first

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thing I posted was be kind to
your IT administrator today. How

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were the people in your
organization? Kind? Go? Yeah,

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Dave Jones: were okay. Very
cool. Oh, yeah. They're great.

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Adam Curry: it was what like,
you walk around with like, you

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know, like holsters and any
Bandito crossbelt of ammo and

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stuff. So people have been
trained to be nice to you.

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Dave Jones: Leave me alone. When
it get if they if they see me

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walking around with a cup of
coffee, they know it's bad.

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Because that's like, you know, I
need emotional support coffee.

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Adam Curry: That Has this ever
happened with CrowdStrike?

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Dave Jones: No, not that I've
not aware of any of this ever

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happening before. It happens. It
happens with other vendors. Like

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Like I mentioned, Lee like 10 or
12 years ago. Yeah, Trend Micro

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uninstalled all of our remote
assistance software,

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Adam Curry: you but it's still
updated, still booted up, right?

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Dave Jones: It booted up. But
there's been other ones like

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Kaspersky had a problem a long
time ago, where they blue

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screened a bunch of computer
Russians, it know it, it's

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unknown, whenever, whenever you
have kernel level, whenever you

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have kernel level access, if you
do something. So if you if

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you're a driver, and you do
something that causes a page

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fault, that machine is going to
crash, I

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Adam Curry: just thought of a
song they call me CrowdStrike

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driver. Road and I'm gone.
What's my controller? I wonder

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where your domain controllers go
doo doo doo doo doo. Yeah, I'm

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Dave Jones: working. That's the
other thing is that, you know,

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by design, things like
CrowdStrike, carbon black, these

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these endpoint security tools.
They're made to look for

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suspicious behavior on machines,
right? So where where you want

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these things to live? is in your
most critical servers first?

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you're always going to have this

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stuff on your domain controllers
on remote access, or like a

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remote desktop, windows, remote
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that's critical points of entry,
or authentication, you're gonna

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have CrowdStrike on that thing,
so that when, when they eff up

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like this is going to take out
all your critical stuff. First,

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all your domain controllers are
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Adam Curry: It's bad. So my, my
general feeling about this,

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because this the timing of this
is interesting. We had the, the

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end of the I don't like Christ.
CrowdStrike is a company that

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had been involved in all kinds
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founders, you know, think tanks
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could go way into it way deep
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there's a lot of stuff that
they've been involved in that

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that I just don't like. Yeah.
And of course, that's my other

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job. So when I see this, and I
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think, well, well, how can they
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obviously, it was going to be
the top story. You know, he did

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some interesting things. I think
we're good. You know, the news

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media, of course, like, oh, with
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fine. But I was wondering how
would they detract from it

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because you know, we just had an
assassination attempt on a

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former president on a
presidential candidate The news

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cycle is kind of stuck in this.
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President Biden, you know, they
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we're not going to virtually
Crown Him, you know, we're gonna

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wait. And then he went home with
COVID, after saying the only

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reason I'll resign is if I have
some medical condition. I'm

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like, I'll be perfect. You know,
Biden resigns, that'll that'll

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change the new cycle. And then
this happened. And it was,

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although annoying the fix, I
mean, I can read the

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instructions. Anybody can fix
this, like, oh, I can get the

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instructions on my phone, I can
figure out how to boot in safe

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mode, I can go into this
directory. And I could probably

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fix it for my friends and my
family. So I'm looking at this

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like, wow, this is what a great
distraction this was and

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relatively easy to recover from.
And then I'm looking a little

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bit and I'm looking at some of
the material. And here's some

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marketing. Cybersecurity in
elections security Resource

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Center, cybersecurity is a
fundamental pillar of election

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security. The election community
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NGOs, and the private sector
must remain vigilant in the face

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of potential threats. This is
one of the crowd strikes, main

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lines of business is voting
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Dave Jones: Oh, really? Yeah. I
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Adam Curry: Now. They're not
these machines are supposedly

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not supposed to be connected to
anything. But it just seems like

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wow, what a what a fun trial run
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Dave Jones: this right? If it's
if it's running the CrowdStrike

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agent, it would have to be
connected to something. Well, I

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mean, make any sense? Oh,

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Adam Curry: I mean, please do
let's let's not kill each other,

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let's not kill each other about
the connectedness of these

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voting machines. Right? So I'm,
I don't know, that concerns me a

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little bit, but at least we
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And although there will be a lot
of lawsuits, and there's going

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to be all kinds of nonsense for
CrowdStrike is not not a good

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Dave Jones: Well, there there
should, there should be a way to

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win. That's always been a point
of contention with within user

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license agreements. You can't
just it's you can't just put

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anything into a lender user
license agreement and have it be

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legally enforceable. Right. So I
mean, like, if I'm driving down

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the street, in a brand new Ford
F 150. And the and the brakes,

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you know, fall off and I, you
know, run off the road and get

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into a horrible accident. Ford
can't just say, Don't look at

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us. You bought it?

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Adam Curry: Well, like just the
fact you're on the road, didn't

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you see the EULA at the
beginning of the road, and you

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click the box automatically as
you drove by.

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Dave Jones: But somehow the
software companies think they

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can just put, they can put into
their EULA? Hey, if anything

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happens to you, because of our
software, we're not responding

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on our problem. That is, just
because you write it into an end

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user license agreement doesn't
mean that that that's true. I

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mean, it has still has to be
legal. Yeah. You know, and I

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think, no, I think all the
software companies they claim

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just blanket, just blanket, not
our problem. Anything. Yeah, but

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I just, that's yet to be really
challenged in court very hard.

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Adam Curry: now did you have to
speak to your CrowdStrike

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representative, your team member

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Dave Jones: now, we're small
potatoes to them, they, they're

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too busy. Now, I did talk to a
vendor this morning. That we

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that we use to for like
procurement and that kind of

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thing. Yeah. And he said, this,
this is a big outfit with you

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know, I don't know, this guy to
have 40,000 employees about 50%

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or work from home. And he said
every single one of them is

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affected

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Adam Curry: by my workstation.
So they can't even log

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Dave Jones: how do you how do
you send your IT people out to

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somebody's house? I mean, it
this is a disaster. Now do you

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have to complete this in

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Adam Curry: general so this is
you know, obviously a very

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centralized issue. You know, it
shows you how vulnerable

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everything really is. Are you
going to make any other

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decisions in your infrastructure
there based upon what happened

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here? Days like I've been here
20 years screw it, they can

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pounce and whatever.

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Dave Jones: Honestly, no, I
think those I think make like

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changing things. A lot of times
after events like this, Charlie

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buys he's just much yeah, this
is just my general take on

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things usually is that that's
never it's always it's kind of

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awake and less. So so if you're
if you're a company that uses

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CrowdStrike and and you find out
that what caused this was a

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deliberate

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Adam Curry: we'll find that
agents Yeah. Yeah,

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Dave Jones: if it was
negligence, like pure

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negligence, like, and that's the
question I have is. So if you're

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CrowdStrike? Don't you have
testings machine? Yeah, that's

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you have 1000 virtual machines
that spin up and test every day

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before it goes out. Do you think
this possibly happen? Yeah. I

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mean, this was a note, this was
a no brainer. So like, what

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happened is, if your computer
was, was up and running, with

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the, if your computer was up and
running between roughly

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midnight, and about three
o'clock this morning, 3am this

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morning, your computer as soon
as it got the minute, it got

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this update in a blue screen?
Right? It was toast, right?

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Like, how is that not caught?
During the during test? I mean,

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you were talking about we're
talking about millions of

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computers here. This was not
hands of millions. Yes. I don't,

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I cannot understand how this guy
through testing. So if it turns

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out that this was just pure
negligence. Yeah. And a part of

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you says, Okay, well, you know,
maybe you started looking for a

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change. But then the other part
of you says, once you're tested

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by fire, you get your act
together. And also, you know,

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CrowdStrike, to my knowledge has
never had a problem when, when

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other companies have, you know,
this is if you run if you run an

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endpoint security products,
endpoint security software

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platform, this right here, what
happened today, this is what

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keeps you up at night, because
it's so easy to do. If you mess

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up, you've just hosed millions
of machines all at once. Yeah.

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So it's like, it's not it's a
risk that you're getting when

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you as soon as you install any
product on your machine that has

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a driver component and is
connected to the internet and

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gets automatic updates. You are
accepting that risk into your

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machine? So I mean, it's it's
hard to say because, because

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once you know, one time in the
past, when we had when we had

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that Trend Micro problem, you
know, at a previous company, we

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did switch, we switched to a
different result. We're now a

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different vendor. And then But
then Trend Micro, they never had

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that problem again. So you know,
it's just, it's one of those

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things. I mean, I think I think
anytime you This is it doesn't

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matter which software you
choose. This is the risk you

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face across the board. It could
be it could be carbon black

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tomorrow, it could be Kaspersky
a couple of months from now, who

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knows?

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Adam Curry: So of course, the
Linux boys are all smiling. Huh?

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Dave Jones: The other all smug.

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Adam Curry: Mac boys. Think
different.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, it's amazing.
Like, it's amazing that that,

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that Linux has not had more
instances like this. We've come

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close with like Heartbleed and
ShellShock. And some of these

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some of these issues, but with
in with the one was it like a

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month or two ago? Where they
almost got that xe library?

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Where they would backdoor
everybody's Yeah,

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Adam Curry: yeah,

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Dave Jones: that's that was

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Adam Curry: the estimate that
was that the SSH thing? This

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Dave Jones: was? Yeah, this was
going to put a backdoor in

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everybody's SSH server. Right.
Yeah. So it's amazing to me

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that, that Linux has not had
more issues that this hasn't

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happened. Yeah. Yeah. You

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Adam Curry: know, my buddy, the
oil baron he had he had to have

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people up in the middle of the
night because all of his SCADA

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controllers are on Windows. And
that controls you know, like oil

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flow, minor things, minor
things.

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Dave Jones: I mean, imagine if
you're in an organization that

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has that has 25 or 30,000
workstations. Yeah, spread out

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across the big geographic canvas
or region. You're gonna have to

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deputize you know, temporary IT
people and teach them how to

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cool

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Adam Curry: does that come with
a badge?

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Unknown: It will store

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Adam Curry: deputy IT manager
here. I'm here to help ma'am.

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Now the CEO call you the CEO.
Yeah, no. Oh, really? He doesn't

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call I'm just checking with you.

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Dave Jones: Oh, you mean a
vargr? Yeah, we talked Yeah, we

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talked. Yeah.

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Adam Curry: How does that
conversation go?

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Dave Jones: No, that's fine.
It's fine. I mean, because, you

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know, we like a thing that I've
always had. And this has been

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everywhere. I've worked a thing
that sort of a principle I've

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always had is every bit every
employee turn their computer off

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at night. Right. That's always
been my because for a lot of

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different reasons. Number one is
If you have power glitches or

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like glitch outs, you know, you
have power surges or brownouts

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or things like that. I mean, if
the computer is off, you know,

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anything to worry about, if you
have, if you have some, if you

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ever had some sort of intrusion
or cyber event, if everything's

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off, that just lowers your blast
radius, right? There's so many

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reasons to keep your computer
turned off, when you're not

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actively working. And because of
that, that limits the blast

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radius of things like this, you
know, so you and you end up if,

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if only five people in an
organization of 300 have their

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computers left their computers
on last night? Well, then you

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only got five computers to visit
and right, you're fine. So I

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think

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Adam Curry: so you just had to
tell people don't boot up this

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morning. Was that basically that
don't start your computer?

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Dave Jones: No, no, if you had
your computer off last night,

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you were fine. You never you
could boot right out and go to

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work. You never had an issue.
Because Because when CrowdStrike

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pushed that update out, started
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Adam Curry: the hat and then
returning to retract that, yeah,

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roll it back.

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Dave Jones: Got it gotta go. If
you turn your computer off at

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five o'clock in the afternoon
and left the office yesterday,

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thing came in at eight o'clock
this morning and booted it up.

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You hadn't you never had any?

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Adam Curry: Because I'm a guy
who always leaves his computer

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on always, bright day night. And
so you know, should I also

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adhere to the sage advice?

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Dave Jones: Well, that that
advice is applies to people who

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have no who have no services
running on their machine that

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they need to access, which is
99% of all corporate rise,

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right? The 1% of people like in
in in system admin, or things

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like that, or home computers
that this applies to it, you

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know that that doesn't apply.
But you know, there's I leave a

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leave of generally about four
different machines. I've bounced

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between at least two of them own
because they have things I need.

441
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And like, like this bill podcast
really gets run in my notes. So

442
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,499
yeah, but but if you don't have
a reason to Yeah, I think it's

443
00:27:07,499 --> 00:27:10,739
always a good idea to keep it
off. Because you don't you

444
00:27:10,739 --> 00:27:14,999
don't. It could be a Windows,
the windows. So Windows Defender

445
00:27:14,999 --> 00:27:18,089
had this problem a few years
ago. Oh, really started breaking

446
00:27:18,089 --> 00:27:22,619
machines with a bad with a bad
antivirus update. And so I mean,

447
00:27:22,619 --> 00:27:24,539
it could be Windows itself that
causes

448
00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:27,540
Adam Curry: that's always my
fear. Yeah,

449
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:30,690
Dave Jones: yeah, that's not
that's a real thing that has

450
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:35,790
happened. So just in general, in
a corporate environment. I have

451
00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:40,260
seen so many issues of so many
catastrophes averted by

452
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:43,560
enforcing a corporate policy of
powering off your machines.

453
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:47,430
Yeah, well, did anyone did
anyone give you any button

454
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:47,790
anytime?

455
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:49,740
Adam Curry: Did anyone give you
any gifts or come in and say

456
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:50,610
Hey, thanks, Dave.

457
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,549
Dave Jones: No, I got a bunch of
rough morning, huh?

458
00:27:59,550 --> 00:28:01,800
Adam Curry: And that's almost
like, hey, jiggle the handle

459
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,410
full. rough morning helps.

460
00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:09,030
Dave Jones: You also in you know
where, when? Anytime. Something

461
00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:12,000
like this happens. You always
get a few, like the stragglers

462
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,330
that get in at like a you know,
10am Hey, what's going on, man?

463
00:28:15,450 --> 00:28:18,570
Yeah, they're like, hey, some
seeds be wrong with my computer.

464
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:21,120
Oh, yeah. Really? Hello,

465
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,730
Adam Curry: Captain Obvious.
Welcome to the party. Yeah,

466
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,630
well, I'm glad glad it wasn't
too bad. Because I was like, oh,

467
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:29,850
man, if this is really bad day,
it's gonna be working all

468
00:28:29,850 --> 00:28:30,480
weekend.

469
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:37,680
Dave Jones: It's Friday. Yeah,
they have a feel for my brothers

470
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,960
and sisters and that T out there
that are going to be working for

471
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,020
days. Yeah, fix this. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, think about the

472
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:46,290
and think about you like, like
here at UAB Hospital in

473
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:52,890
Birmingham. Think about the the
MRI machines. Yeah. Oh, man.

474
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,690
It's a nightmare. There's gonna
be so much fallout. Yeah,

475
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Adam Curry: well change the news
cycle. Good job, everybody.

476
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,090
That's all we really needed.
Just change the new cycle.

477
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:07,170
That's how we roll corporate
America stretch. Yes. Right of

478
00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:09,930
the week. That's right. And of
course this coming to you from

479
00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:13,680
the company who we know very
well here podcasting. 2.0 This

480
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,490
is their, this their corporate
sound. That was there. That was

481
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:19,920
their cue map their pew pew map.
That's

482
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,040
Dave Jones: right. That was for
a blue.

483
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:26,189
Adam Curry: That was that was
CrowdStrike.

484
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,560
Dave Jones: Yeah, but what what
would they were tracking

485
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,340
something? No,

486
00:29:29,339 --> 00:29:31,559
Adam Curry: it was it was just
like, look at the threat map.

487
00:29:31,619 --> 00:29:36,029
You know, this is every single
thing you see is is an attack.

488
00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:37,559
Remember that stupid map.

489
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,619
Dave Jones: But But yeah, but
that map they made that map in

490
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,449
to give real time tracking of
some

491
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:46,980
Adam Curry: of bullcrap

492
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,159
Dave Jones: was going across the
globe.

493
00:29:50,190 --> 00:29:52,800
Adam Curry: Let me see if I can
find it. Let me see. It was like

494
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:57,150
Dave Jones: it was like bullet
bock. What was the name of that

495
00:29:57,150 --> 00:30:00,720
thing that hit Europe so hard a
few years ago. Here's

496
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:06,690
Adam Curry: a live cyber threat
map I think they took out a pew

497
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,520
pew though it took out the pew
pew

498
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:13,950
Dave Jones: it was it was poor
man's worm. It was that worm

499
00:30:13,980 --> 00:30:16,830
that was going through those
hidden Europe like crazy.

500
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:24,000
Awesome, eternal blue. No,
that's not right.

501
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,179
Adam Curry: The threat map is
pretty introverted. Too bad that

502
00:30:27,179 --> 00:30:29,969
took out the pews I got to
provide my own here. There we

503
00:30:29,969 --> 00:30:31,949
go. I feel better no no looking.

504
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,600
Dave Jones: They still have it
they still run it.

505
00:30:33,689 --> 00:30:36,059
Adam Curry: Yeah threat map is
it checkpoint? Was that

506
00:30:36,059 --> 00:30:39,779
checkpoint? Who had that? His
checkpoint from CrowdStrike I

507
00:30:39,779 --> 00:30:40,619
can't remember now.

508
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:45,180
Dave Jones: Anyway, I'm trying
to it's killing me that I can't

509
00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:47,760
remember the name of that thing.
Because there was like a whole

510
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,790
bunch of okay, so you remember
this it when it was like this

511
00:30:50,790 --> 00:30:51,960
worm named

512
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:55,770
Adam Curry: Noah storm warm
storm worm. I'm just reading

513
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:57,090
from from the boardroom.

514
00:30:58,950 --> 00:31:01,830
Dave Jones: It was this worm
that started going across

515
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:08,460
primarily Europe. And then you
somebody read this dude

516
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:12,360
registered a domain that he
found in this in the

517
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:18,510
disassembled code of the worm.
And registering that domain

518
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:23,430
stopped its propagation. Like
that's, that's how it knew to

519
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:26,790
That's it was checking for that
domain

520
00:31:26,790 --> 00:31:29,520
Adam Curry: and it was non
existent. I can kind of recall

521
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:29,970
this.

522
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:34,320
Dave Jones: And then the guy who
registered it ended up getting

523
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,150
on like the morto

524
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,330
Adam Curry: worm watch list. The
morto worm, the flaccid worm

525
00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:40,830
funny now flat.

526
00:31:42,869 --> 00:31:45,869
Dave Jones: It shouldn't be
ended up on the NSA watch

527
00:31:45,869 --> 00:31:49,139
Adam Curry: list. Oh, of course.
Of course. Of course. Makes

528
00:31:49,139 --> 00:31:53,459
nothing but sense. Yeah, I
can't. Anyway. Welcome back,

529
00:31:53,489 --> 00:31:55,979
everybody. Good to be back in
the boardroom. We do have a

530
00:31:55,979 --> 00:32:01,349
number of pressing issues to
take care of today. You want to

531
00:32:01,349 --> 00:32:03,209
start with wallets?

532
00:32:05,069 --> 00:32:09,719
Dave Jones: See if I can. I can
pull myself away from wanna cry.

533
00:32:09,749 --> 00:32:10,289
That's it.

534
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,530
Adam Curry: No wanna cry? Yeah,
I remember that.

535
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:19,140
Dave Jones: Yeah, it was. Yeah,
the kill switch. Was a domain

536
00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:22,440
registration. Yeah, want to want
to cry. That's, that was the

537
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,150
first time I saw the PPU map was
wondering. Cuz somebody built a

538
00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:30,720
tracker anyway. Yeah. So what
are we doing?

539
00:32:31,829 --> 00:32:35,249
Adam Curry: What are we doing?
Well, we've had a little, little

540
00:32:35,249 --> 00:32:39,809
issue with wallets recently. And
we've, since the last boarding

541
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,899
board meeting, you and I, and I
guess everybody has kind of been

542
00:32:42,899 --> 00:32:45,089
banging their head, what are we
going to do? The main issue

543
00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:51,869
being that custodial wallets
with keys and our custodial

544
00:32:51,869 --> 00:32:55,889
wallets in general, are clearly
going to be a problem for a

545
00:32:55,889 --> 00:33:01,229
whole bunch of reasons. And
we've been looking for solutions

546
00:33:01,229 --> 00:33:06,539
that do not include key sensing
is it's pretty much the pardon

547
00:33:06,539 --> 00:33:09,929
me for the gingers, but the ugly
redheaded stepchild of

548
00:33:09,929 --> 00:33:14,489
lightning. And it's just not
being supported. And people

549
00:33:14,489 --> 00:33:17,069
really don't care much. It's
kind of it's there. But

550
00:33:17,249 --> 00:33:21,809
everyone's you know, more
interested in Bolt 12. In which

551
00:33:21,809 --> 00:33:26,639
by itself is funny. And so we
kind of went through it an

552
00:33:26,639 --> 00:33:30,689
interesting exercise. First of
all, there is there are

553
00:33:30,689 --> 00:33:34,919
solutions for people who want to
be sovereign. I'll be hub.

554
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:37,859
There's, you know, there's
plenty you can run your own

555
00:33:37,859 --> 00:33:40,199
node, there's plenty of ways
that you can do it if you want

556
00:33:40,199 --> 00:33:46,529
to be sovereign. But if you want
to have a custodial type

557
00:33:46,529 --> 00:33:49,019
solution where you don't have to
think too much, you're really

558
00:33:49,019 --> 00:33:55,049
going to have to do that with a
someone with an outfit that has

559
00:33:55,139 --> 00:33:59,279
a money transmitter license.
This is why Fountain has no

560
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:04,079
issue. Seeing as they are their
back end is Ebody and Zebedee

561
00:34:04,109 --> 00:34:08,189
except for Florida has money
transmitter licenses so they can

562
00:34:08,189 --> 00:34:13,049
legally do this and be
custodial. I think that's why

563
00:34:13,049 --> 00:34:17,069
wav Lake move to them as well.
Because you know, it's for

564
00:34:17,069 --> 00:34:22,289
music. I mean, really to onboard
listeners is a nightmare. To

565
00:34:22,289 --> 00:34:27,089
onboard podcasters is kind of
doable if you want to help them

566
00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:30,959
set up an Alby hub or your own
node. I mean, there's podcasters

567
00:34:30,959 --> 00:34:34,889
are kind of like the ham radio
operators of podcasting. You

568
00:34:34,889 --> 00:34:38,339
know, it's like, yeah, I'm
willing to try it and dive in.

569
00:34:39,029 --> 00:34:44,189
As long as Dave Jackson can
explain it to me. And but for

570
00:34:44,219 --> 00:34:48,119
listeners, but when you get to
musicians, no, no, that's just a

571
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:51,839
nonstarter and becomes very
confusing. When you like, well,

572
00:34:51,869 --> 00:34:54,299
you know, you want to get a
fountain wallet and the there's

573
00:34:54,779 --> 00:34:58,469
a lot of steps are kind of
complicated. Alby, which we had,

574
00:34:58,739 --> 00:35:01,499
of course centralized on We all
knew it, we all knew that this

575
00:35:01,499 --> 00:35:04,709
could be a problem one way or
the other. Luckily, the problem

576
00:35:04,709 --> 00:35:08,669
came. And we all saw it. And we
started searching for solutions.

577
00:35:08,669 --> 00:35:10,799
And so one of the things that
you were the last time we were

578
00:35:10,799 --> 00:35:15,179
in the board meeting, and one of
the things we came up with, was

579
00:35:15,179 --> 00:35:19,049
the idea of E cash. And the
reason why e cash was

580
00:35:19,049 --> 00:35:23,429
interesting is because it was
easy to it can use any transport

581
00:35:23,429 --> 00:35:26,819
mechanism. So you could even you
can even send a payment through

582
00:35:26,819 --> 00:35:32,129
email, technically, it's just a,
just a token that you're sending

583
00:35:32,129 --> 00:35:38,159
is a long string of of number of
characters. And the the mint

584
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:40,919
side of it, which we don't have
to go into was running through

585
00:35:40,919 --> 00:35:45,359
the strike API. And strike, of
course, has a money transmitter

586
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:49,859
license, as strike. But I think
that because of this, we started

587
00:35:49,859 --> 00:35:54,119
to start to look at strike.
Strike does not implement key

588
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,029
sin. But strike has a lot of
other benefits. The number one

589
00:35:57,029 --> 00:35:59,819
being a money transmitter
license, number two being Jack

590
00:35:59,819 --> 00:36:04,619
Mahler's number three big
corporate interests behind it.

591
00:36:04,859 --> 00:36:09,659
So it's not going to go away,
it's not going to run into the

592
00:36:09,659 --> 00:36:12,479
if it runs into legislation
issues, they have a corporation

593
00:36:12,479 --> 00:36:16,979
behind it to take care of it. So
I think we were kind of looking

594
00:36:16,979 --> 00:36:20,069
at that moment for how do we get
something that's easy for

595
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:24,509
podcast app developers to
implement? Ie some kind of

596
00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:30,689
simple API? Oh, auth, etc? And
how do we keep it working? You

597
00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:35,729
know, Legacy things working? And
how do we look forward to the

598
00:36:35,729 --> 00:36:39,479
future when new things come
along? And how do we keep an

599
00:36:39,479 --> 00:36:42,539
open sovereign solution for
everybody who doesn't want to be

600
00:36:42,539 --> 00:36:46,139
a part of a corporate system?
Does that kind of explain where

601
00:36:46,139 --> 00:36:46,679
we were at?

602
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:51,030
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think so.
And that's pretty much it. Yeah.

603
00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:51,690
And

604
00:36:53,610 --> 00:36:58,140
Adam Curry: so strike has an O
off the implementation. And of

605
00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:01,830
course, they have liquidity and
back end and everything, which

606
00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:07,140
would make it very easy for
podcasters for, for listeners to

607
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:11,700
just sign up to strike, it has
some benefits, which I hadn't

608
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:15,150
really ever played around with
strike, but you can literally

609
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:18,270
connect it to a bank card or to
your bank account, and you just

610
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:23,430
see fiat money in there. And you
can say, this was the test that

611
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:30,720
I did. I want to send $1 to Adam
over at this node. And it just

612
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,300
sent went $1 Now it came in on
my notice SATs. But it just knew

613
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:40,380
whatever it to send and it was
very comfortable for for me of

614
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:43,380
course no problem. I look at
Satoshis I get it, but it was

615
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:45,870
just $1 sent and it went through
and it came in and you know,

616
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:53,340
whatever. 1600 50 SATs so it
worked. We both independently

617
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:59,130
had a talk with Oscar. Oscar
Mary from fountain and Oh, yeah.

618
00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:02,430
Oh, yeah. Now of course he's
smart. He be back doors us like

619
00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:06,750
everybody else's day for
everybody back doors. Oh, no,

620
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:09,360
no, you were you were super
special because he backdoored

621
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,870
you first. And I don't think I
should use that phrase.

622
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,420
Dave Jones: Please don't say
they need back channel.

623
00:38:15,630 --> 00:38:17,640
Adam Curry: Oh, no, that's not
good either. And back channels.

624
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,280
Now he, he probably contacted
you initially for the same

625
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,080
thing. He contacted me which was
for, for his his chat

626
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,700
integration with noster. Which I
which I mean, he went through

627
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,500
all this and said, you know,
Oscar, this is really

628
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:37,290
interesting. We have a bigger
problem. And it's your problem,

629
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:40,590
too. We have to figure out what
to do with wallets and payments,

630
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:45,450
because you can't be the only
the only guy in town. It won't

631
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:50,010
work. I mean, it won't take off.
And and so I probably had the

632
00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:54,000
same conversation with you. In
fact, I'm gonna read. I'm gonna

633
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,640
read his email, which he sent.
And then we kind of walk through

634
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,250
this morning. Yeah, then we can
work through it because I asked

635
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:06,600
him can you build a demo to show
everybody what we're doing? And

636
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,300
he says, I'll read this. I think
the consensus is that if we

637
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,480
include the ln address attribute
in the value block the returns

638
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,570
an options file with multiple
lightning payment options, we

639
00:39:15,570 --> 00:39:18,990
can achieve the following Bolt
11 invoice payments therefore

640
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:21,780
give apps and hosting companies
the ability to support v for V

641
00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:25,200
payments with easy Oh auth
integration with custodial

642
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,040
providers like strike, continue
to support key Sen and have a

643
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,340
path to support Bolt 12 Which by
the way, right in the middle of

644
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:36,060
all this strike all of a sudden
came up with their bolt, 12

645
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:39,660
sandbox or play house or
whatever they call it ground

646
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:42,810
playground to continue to
support keys and have a path

647
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:45,900
toward Bolt 12 without having to
make another change to the value

648
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,870
block spec. To help facilitate
this I'm going to create a demo

649
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:51,780
flow that includes a test feed
with a strike lightning address.

650
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:56,100
An example app wallet linking
flow with strike Oh off. With

651
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:58,410
this we'll be able to create a
demo video where the listener

652
00:39:58,410 --> 00:40:01,440
can send a boost to a podcast or
which appears in the local

653
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,390
currency rather than Bitcoin?
Okay, I feel pretty comfortable

654
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:07,470
about what he's saying here.

655
00:40:08,099 --> 00:40:11,189
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, me too. So
let me, let me take everything

656
00:40:11,219 --> 00:40:13,199
that the, the Yeah, just

657
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,520
Adam Curry: translate that into
something.

658
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:21,540
Dave Jones: So. So currently
historically, when we first

659
00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:27,360
crank this thing out, we had
this, you know, to the concept

660
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:33,150
of two different ways to get
paid. And it was streaming

661
00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:38,520
payments per minute. And boosts
they're both essentially the

662
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,560
same thing. Under the covers,
they both are a lightning

663
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,020
payment, a key a key send
lightning payment. The key, you

664
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,050
know, the keys and being the
pertinent phrase, they're,

665
00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:56,370
they're a key send lightning
payment with a T or V record

666
00:40:56,370 --> 00:41:00,450
attached that has the
corresponding metadata about the

667
00:41:00,450 --> 00:41:06,450
payment, who's who is the
sending it a message? What,

668
00:41:06,569 --> 00:41:11,009
Adam Curry: what podcast what,
what episode, timestamp

669
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,830
Dave Jones: in the episode, all
these things. So that's

670
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:15,870
essentially what's happened,
whether it's a per streaming

671
00:41:15,870 --> 00:41:20,430
payment or a boost, the payment,
the payload, and they form the

672
00:41:20,430 --> 00:41:24,810
payment takes is exactly the
same. They're both key send

673
00:41:24,810 --> 00:41:29,130
payments, but the reason we
chose key send is because by

674
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:37,920
default, lightning required
what's called a bolt 11 invoice,

675
00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:44,940
right? So a bolt 11 invoice
means that the receiving end of

676
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:51,030
this of a payment has to create
an A in an invoice with what's

677
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:56,850
called a preimage value, and
then send the invoice for the

678
00:41:56,850 --> 00:42:02,100
amount to the payer, then the
payer gives that invoice to

679
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:08,190
their lightning node, which then
encrypts the preimage in an

680
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:12,450
onion, and goes back in and
sends it through, which is

681
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,710
basically route

682
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:15,420
Adam Curry: so glad you're
simplifying this.

683
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,910
Dave Jones: The Onion, the onion
is like a series of of

684
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:22,890
Adam Curry: all of a sudden,
we're cooking with onions,

685
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:27,570
what's happened to the story?
I'm crying.

686
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,880
Dave Jones: So if you have
three, if you have three hops in

687
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,200
the route from you to this other
to the destination, from you to

688
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,040
the to the payee, then you're
going to have three layers in

689
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,070
this in this encrypted onion
that didn't get successively

690
00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:48,780
unwrapped until the payee itself
can validate that preimage

691
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:52,260
matches. And that's how this
thing works, right. So you can

692
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:57,060
see that they needed to be able,
they needed to generate the

693
00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:01,890
invoice at the payee rather than
the payer, so that they could do

694
00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:07,200
this verification process on the
preimage. The but but the whole

695
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,560
thing is just clumsy. To have in
the real world, you never have

696
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,390
to ask somebody whether or not
you can pay them and how much

697
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,440
you just write a cheque and hand
it to them like or are you just

698
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,140
send it in the mail, and they
just get it like there's no,

699
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:29,130
this, this requirement to
require the payee to do

700
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:32,820
something before you can give
them money is just weird. So

701
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:33,330
that's,

702
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:36,210
Adam Curry: it's very
unintuitive in today's digital

703
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:37,110
payment world.

704
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,800
Dave Jones: It is if I have a
PayPal address, you can just

705
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,380
send me money if you know my
email address. That's it, you

706
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:50,880
don't have to ask my permission.
So So key so we chose key sin

707
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:58,170
because it avoided that process
keys and uses the node the nodes

708
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:06,960
public key as as the the
preimage. I believe that's the

709
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,530
way that works. And maybe I may
be wrong, but I believe that's

710
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,120
that's the way it works. So you
have set the payment can just as

711
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,330
long as you know this other
person's lightning node public

712
00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:22,050
key, you can just send them a
payment. And they get it as long

713
00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:26,970
as they have Kison. Enabled,
which which most of the of the

714
00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:31,740
like self run nodes do. But the
big the problem is the big

715
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:36,120
players like strike Cash App in
the in those those lightning

716
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,160
supporting services. They don't
they don't support keys. And so

717
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,490
key sin has always been more
it's always been a more

718
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:50,190
efficient way to send payments
for payers, but it just doesn't

719
00:44:50,190 --> 00:44:54,780
have very good support amongst
the law amongst the broader

720
00:44:54,780 --> 00:45:02,370
ecosystem where people are so So
then that so that's that's the

721
00:45:02,370 --> 00:45:06,870
framework that we're that we're
working with. So, so when, when

722
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:12,930
Albie and other custodial
providers like LM pay started to

723
00:45:12,930 --> 00:45:17,220
have trouble, it started to back
off because of the regulations.

724
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:23,010
It left us in an environment
where we have where we're

725
00:45:23,010 --> 00:45:29,100
requiring keys and but very few
lightning providers support it.

726
00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:33,360
So we had to wait like so. It's
obvious that we have to switch

727
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,310
them symptom things up. The my
dogs freaking out, I can tell

728
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:41,940
ya, because obviously, we have
switched some things some some

729
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:47,040
things have been change. Change
the requirements here. So what

730
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:47,610
what we do

731
00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:49,860
Adam Curry: when we need to go
just talk to the dog? We can

732
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:52,500
wait, I know how distracting
that is.

733
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Dave Jones: Here's a bad joke.
Shut up.

734
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,910
Adam Curry: Go. The dog
understands English. Yeah, yeah.

735
00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:07,050
I can stop.

736
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:12,330
Dave Jones: Now it's fine. I'm
just like, a mute myself and

737
00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:16,500
hollering at him is proving to
be highly, very effective.

738
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:16,890
Adam Curry: Yes,

739
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,710
Dave Jones: yeah. Let's see. So.
So that's where it so that's

740
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:27,450
where we're at. So what we what
we were talking about was, in

741
00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:32,490
order to stay to like fit better
with, with the current lightning

742
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:39,120
ecosystem, meaning custodial
world, we need to read we need

743
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:45,960
to emphasize Bolt 11 We need to
sort of move away from a Kison

744
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,970
centric right world and go and
start going towards the bolt 11.

745
00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:57,360
Now that's. So here, here, let
me lay another thing on top of

746
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:04,620
this. Bolt 11 is supported
primarily, now through what's

747
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:11,400
called a lightning address, and
ln URL. That is an HTML layer of

748
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:19,170
HTTP calls that are put on top
of a lightning node, so that you

749
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:24,840
can ask the over acing and ask
over HTTP for

750
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,030
Adam Curry: the proof for the
for the for the payment invoice

751
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:27,750
basically for

752
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:30,120
Dave Jones: an invoice yet for
an invoice, and then it'll give

753
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,260
you one back dynamically, and
then you can pay it. It tries to

754
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:38,790
get around this idea of having
to have the payee participate in

755
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:42,810
the transaction, right? It's
just automating it all. Yes.

756
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,470
Automating the generation of the
receivers, invoice, create

757
00:47:46,469 --> 00:47:49,019
Adam Curry: user, create an
invoice for X amount of sites,

758
00:47:49,019 --> 00:47:51,869
and then send me the details.
Right.

759
00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:59,640
Dave Jones: So Ellen URL is, is
the sort of standardized way to

760
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:07,890
do this thing. We, in talking to
Oscar, what we have figured out

761
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:16,500
is that we need a CIO and let me
finish by saying Ellen URL is

762
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:23,400
Bolt 11 centric. That's all it
concerns itself with we need a

763
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:31,350
way to support multiple payment
types. So keys and bolt 11 and

764
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:32,460
eventually Bolt 12

765
00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:39,360
I know you're

766
00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:44,910
Adam Curry: with us stay with
us. Drink Drink, everybody.

767
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Dave Jones: Don't CrowdStrike me
bro. So we need a way to support

768
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:58,500
both keys and both 11 and bold
12. Because key sins exists

769
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,980
already in that should be a
thing anything this should be

770
00:49:01,980 --> 00:49:06,210
backwards compatible. But we
want to not also just flip from

771
00:49:06,210 --> 00:49:09,120
one thing to another and lock
herself into Bolt 11 Because

772
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,540
Bolt 12 is also coming in
potentially other things. Cash

773
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:16,230
you maybe down the line who
fatty mints, oh, all these

774
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:22,890
different things. So first, so
here's what we're doing. And

775
00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:25,530
I've already made the initial
changes to the documentation.

776
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:31,830
There will be a new type on the
value recipient tag. Currently,

777
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:38,790
the all the value recipient tags
contain the type node. So that's

778
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:44,250
just it's expecting to have a
node type in the value recipient

779
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:48,930
and the address type attribute
is going to be the public key of

780
00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:55,530
the node that's receiving the
payment. What we've done is

781
00:49:55,530 --> 00:50:02,040
created a new type called ln
address This ln address will

782
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,080
resolve to an to a will dot well
known URL that points to an

783
00:50:07,170 --> 00:50:15,690
what's called an options file.
So adam@curry.com will read Will

784
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:19,410
if a if you put that so if you
have a value recipient with type

785
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:27,300
equals ln address and address
equal adam@curry.com, the paying

786
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:36,090
application will resolve
adam@curry.com to a to

787
00:50:36,090 --> 00:50:43,830
curry.com/dot well known slash
lightning slash options. That

788
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:48,450
file will be a JSON document
that has potentially three

789
00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:52,110
different payment methods
doesn't have a can have up to

790
00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:56,340
three different payment methods.
Keys end with which would be the

791
00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:06,060
traditional address, custom key
custom value, an Ellen URL, an

792
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:11,640
Ellen URL, specification, or
block where you can generate a

793
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,980
bolt 11 address at both Lebanon
voice and in the future a bowl

794
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:17,640
12

795
00:51:19,469 --> 00:51:22,259
Adam Curry: option if at any
point you feel dizzy on the

796
00:51:22,259 --> 00:51:25,109
podcasting, 2.0, right, just
look at the floor and it will

797
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:26,069
all go away.

798
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,350
Dave Jones: Okay, so Eric peepee
asked a question. He says does

799
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:36,030
node does the type of node does
the type equals node mean key

800
00:51:36,030 --> 00:51:45,030
sand? Originally, it did not
mean that in and of itself, but

801
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:50,670
now it will fall. So if you look
at the if you look at the

802
00:51:50,670 --> 00:51:55,080
structure of a value blog, you
can go and check one out on the

803
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,880
podcast namespace documentation.
In the there's a value if you go

804
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,580
into the if you go into the
namespace repo and go to the

805
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:06,630
value folder, there's a document
called Value dot end that's got

806
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:09,660
loads of examples in there. So
if you look through one of those

807
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:14,670
examples, you'll see the the
podcast colon value tag in it'll

808
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:19,830
have a method equals key send
type equals lightning method

809
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:24,360
equals key send. And then the
value recipients inside those

810
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:30,930
will say type equals node in
address equals the pub key of

811
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:34,410
your lightning node. That was
the original structure you're

812
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:36,630
gonna say okay, all these
addresses are going to be key

813
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:42,000
send addresses. This is
important. I hope people have

814
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:48,060
stuck with me here because type
equals excuse me method equals

815
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:54,000
keys and that attribute is going
to be removed. I don't see

816
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,460
seeing as how everything has
been kissin from the very

817
00:52:56,460 --> 00:53:01,320
beginning. I don't think that
anybody has code that depends on

818
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,330
the on the presence of method
equals keys and in the value

819
00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:11,100
block tag. If anybody does, you
need to tell me.

820
00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:14,850
Adam Curry: Let me just check. I
don't think I don't think I have

821
00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:15,570
done in ours.

822
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,100
Dave Jones: You got nothing in
your code. Okay,

823
00:53:17,130 --> 00:53:22,140
Adam Curry: I'm gonna check. No,
if you type type equals node is

824
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:22,800
all I have.

825
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,550
Dave Jones: Yeah, so if you in
your podcast colon, if you

826
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:35,010
public in your podcast colon
value, blog, if you have method

827
00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:37,260
equals key sin is not going to
hurt anything.

828
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,080
Adam Curry: But if I don't know
I do have method equals key

829
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,520
send. Okay,

830
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:44,460
Dave Jones: that's fine if you
put that in there as a producer

831
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:48,750
of a feed, but if you're
consuming feeds I don't think

832
00:53:48,750 --> 00:53:51,600
anybody ever paid attention to
that attribute because there was

833
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,780
only one value it ever was
always Easton I

834
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:57,030
Adam Curry: feel like I did
unnecessary work now.

835
00:53:58,050 --> 00:54:01,770
Dave Jones: You wasted that
wasted bandwidth. You wait you

836
00:54:01,770 --> 00:54:03,570
wasted like 10 bytes of
bandwidth

837
00:54:06,449 --> 00:54:08,909
Adam Curry: Yeah, type equals
lightning method equals key

838
00:54:08,909 --> 00:54:09,419
send.

839
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:12,870
Dave Jones: Yeah, so there was
always only just one method

840
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:17,490
that's all it ever was right?
Key sin so I seriously doubt

841
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:21,360
anybody has code that's going to
break if value blocks start

842
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,600
coming into existence that don't
have the method attribute right.

843
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,750
So that method attribute is
going away because the method

844
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:33,900
now needs to be specified in the
options file. Ah, okay. So what

845
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,360
is going to be is the value
block is going to say type

846
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,310
equals lightning, and then the
value recipient tag, are going

847
00:54:41,310 --> 00:54:48,810
to have a ln Andrew ln address
as a type as an available type.

848
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,290
Adam Curry: So all I'll really
have to add to my setup as a as

849
00:54:52,290 --> 00:55:00,210
a sovereign. Is this Ellen?
Ellen address? The end And I

850
00:55:00,210 --> 00:55:06,840
could I guess I could set it
up@curry.com and slash. So the

851
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,260
so the HTTP requests will come
in as Get me the page out of

852
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:11,190
mccurry.com.

853
00:55:13,290 --> 00:55:14,250
Dave Jones: Yeah. So,

854
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,710
Adam Curry: I mean, it's
confusing for people who are

855
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:22,080
used to this as email only, you
know, job. This is just a mind

856
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,420
bender. That's all this.

857
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,090
Dave Jones: This makes more
sense. This makes more sense as

858
00:55:30,090 --> 00:55:37,860
you think about the other part
of this, which is if I felt like

859
00:55:37,860 --> 00:55:40,770
a monologue in here, but it's
kind of like almost necessary.

860
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,080
The other the other side of,
well, let me let me finish this

861
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:46,440
up. Let's

862
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,940
Adam Curry: call this a little
Liqui.

863
00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:55,950
Dave Jones: This soliloquy,
soliloquy. Let me see if I'm

864
00:55:56,580 --> 00:56:01,590
finished. Yeah, let me finish
this take up. Okay. So the, so

865
00:56:01,590 --> 00:56:03,750
that's what the new thing is
going to be it's going to be

866
00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:09,150
you're going to have a type of a
type of node or you're going to

867
00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:13,230
have a type of Ellen address,
Ellen address will resolve to

868
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:18,360
the options file, which will
then make available the the

869
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
different options for receiving
a payment,

870
00:56:20,910 --> 00:56:24,870
Adam Curry: which which could be
two or three. Yeah, okay. It

871
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:27,090
Dave Jones: could be multiple.
Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. So

872
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:29,730
Adam Curry: I can still keep my
keys and for clients that are

873
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:35,100
sending keys and payments to me
and I can add my bolt 11 four

874
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:37,020
bolt 11 apps.

875
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,270
Dave Jones: Right, I'm going to
feature bold 12 So the other

876
00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:50,340
part of this is the actual
Nashville custodian API service

877
00:56:50,340 --> 00:57:00,510
that apps would use and here is
where like it okay so you've

878
00:57:00,510 --> 00:57:05,970
always had to wallets to deal
with the vault you're in this is

879
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:11,280
this is kind of this is going to
simplify that Oh, yeah. It's

880
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,000
going to remove one Yeah, so
what you've always had to do is

881
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,340
I've had an you know, like okay,
let's say I get a great I

882
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:21,510
grabbed cast ematic download
cast ematic cast, thematic says,

883
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:25,980
Hey, podcasting 2.0 podcast
supports value for value. It's

884
00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:32,850
such a friendly app. Do you want
to fire up a wallet and support

885
00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:36,780
the show? You say Yeah, sure.
I'd love to do that. Behind the

886
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:40,800
scenes is firing is creating an
ABI wallet. All right now you

887
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,680
got now be wallet. Your lb wall
is linked to cast thematic is

888
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,700
not helpful because you have
zero sets in it right? In order

889
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:51,540
to get swept away.

890
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,750
Adam Curry: Unless you're true
fans, because true fans is the

891
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:57,750
best. It gives you 5000 SATs
right off the bat.

892
00:57:59,850 --> 00:58:06,120
Dave Jones: Right? Yes. I stand
corrected. And anybody that

893
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:11,820
other than true fans. You will
have no SATs. So now you gotta

894
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:13,950
go get some SAT. So what do you
gotta do? You gotta go get a

895
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:18,270
cash app account. You gotta go
get a strike account. Moon pay,

896
00:58:18,810 --> 00:58:21,120
you know, in it, some of the one
of these other turns to

897
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,470
Adam Curry: the right, turn to
the left cough. Okay, yeah. And

898
00:58:25,650 --> 00:58:27,510
Dave Jones: you gotta go get
some set somewhere through an

899
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:33,330
exchange. And then you can send
those sets over to your new

900
00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:36,540
shiny Alby wallet, this
connected cast thematic. So

901
00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:42,780
you've got it, you've always had
to have two wallets. Now, what

902
00:58:43,020 --> 00:58:49,620
what striker has done is they've
got a very good OAuth API. So

903
00:58:49,620 --> 00:58:55,710
what can happen now is that you
apps can integrate directly with

904
00:58:55,710 --> 00:59:00,240
striker hopefully Cash App and
others in the future. That will,

905
00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:05,460
you know, you can an app can
choose to use the strike API to

906
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:09,150
do essentially the essentially
the same thing that Al B

907
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:16,170
provides, but straight into a
regulated a financial regulation

908
00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:23,610
compliant wallet. And then your
your sin now now striker only

909
00:59:23,610 --> 00:59:29,580
supports Bolt 11 payments,
doesn't support keys and, and

910
00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:33,780
not yet, Bolt 12. So that's why
we're saying talking about the

911
00:59:33,780 --> 00:59:40,260
Embree emphasizing a bolt 11
going forward is that what you

912
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:45,960
can have is a is your is your
podcast apps tie in through the

913
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,150
OAuth API to strike on the back
end as their wallet and then

914
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:55,380
after and then once they have
the once they have the

915
00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:59,370
connection there. They can have
the they don't have to have this

916
00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:03,570
to Wallet song and dance, you
can just pay directly through

917
01:00:03,570 --> 01:00:08,700
both 11 payments from your
strike back wallet to the

918
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:13,920
podcaster. And vice versa, you
can you as the podcaster can

919
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,510
just have a strike, well, you
can just sign up for strike. And

920
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:22,410
you get as part of that you get
a lightning address, you can

921
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:24,870
just put that lightning address
directly into your into your

922
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:27,780
feed value recipient tag and
start receiving payments because

923
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:31,590
everything's Bolt 11. Now, the
one thing this requires is bolt,

924
01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:37,980
bolt 11 Since it's not as fast
and efficient as keys, and it is

925
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:41,250
going to require it for per
streaming payments, there's

926
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:46,230
going to need to be like badass.
Yeah, because what sending a

927
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:50,430
payment once per minute, is kind
of a big hit, especially when

928
01:00:50,430 --> 01:00:53,970
you have multiple recipients in
the value blog. Because you may

929
01:00:53,970 --> 01:00:58,110
you know, you had time to send
567 Or if you're blueberry 24

930
01:00:58,110 --> 01:01:02,250
payments. You know, every
minute, that's a big deal, I

931
01:01:02,250 --> 01:01:06,060
Adam Curry: think. No, I know
that podcast guru already does

932
01:01:06,060 --> 01:01:08,280
that they already batch every
five minutes.

933
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:11,850
Dave Jones: And so does
fountain. Yeah. has always done

934
01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:17,490
that. Okay. Yeah, makes sense.
So I think I mean, I think it

935
01:01:17,490 --> 01:01:21,510
doesn't sound like too big of a
lift to me. You're gonna you

936
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:26,460
know, you just, it's it's an
emphasis on both 11 over key

937
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:31,980
send. And then the lightning
address just means you're,

938
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:36,210
you're great. You're going to be
doing here we get an Ellen URL

939
01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:38,790
addresses, excuse me, Ellen URL
invoice. Okay,

940
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:43,769
Adam Curry: a couple of
questions. Good job, the T O V

941
01:01:43,769 --> 01:01:47,639
record data. So all of the
payment information, is that

942
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,809
able to be sent along with these
bolts 11 invoice payments?

943
01:01:53,340 --> 01:01:57,870
Dave Jones: That is an unknown?
I do not know. And I'll just be

944
01:01:57,870 --> 01:02:04,110
honest with you, I have no idea
yet. Okay. And if I hope, I hope

945
01:02:04,110 --> 01:02:07,830
we can figure out, I hope we can
figure out a proper way to do

946
01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:09,810
out of band confirmations.
Because when

947
01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:14,010
Adam Curry: I when I sent my
test I sent from strike I sent

948
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:18,180
$1 to my breeze wallet knowing
that both they both do this

949
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:23,340
stuff. And I just send it to
whatever Adam See 1999 breeze.io

950
01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:27,420
This is one of those. And I put
a note in there and the note was

951
01:02:27,420 --> 01:02:29,880
received on the other side. So
they're doing something they

952
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,050
both know that hey, here's a
note so that there's a note

953
01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:36,270
adding capability that is known.

954
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,920
Dave Jones: And we might just
need to we might we might be

955
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,200
able to like ENCODE encode the
JSON into the note field

956
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,090
somehow? I'm not not sure. Okay.
I just don't know yet. We need

957
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,770
I'm looking forward to Oscar's
demo app, where we can all see

958
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:02,070
how this is going to work in a
clearer way. So that if we just,

959
01:03:03,630 --> 01:03:06,960
you know, then we can figure out
okay, do we just need to put a

960
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,560
JSON some JSON data in the memo
field, which is kind of ugly,

961
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:16,590
but I just don't know. I don't
know. I mean, it's not. It would

962
01:03:16,590 --> 01:03:21,720
not be horrible to send, like
some out of out of band. Data.

963
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,890
But But if the when you have a
confirmation, like the thing

964
01:03:25,890 --> 01:03:31,860
about bolts 11 It's a it's a
payment confirmation is part of

965
01:03:31,860 --> 01:03:36,570
the bride. So you don't you you
could include that data in

966
01:03:36,570 --> 01:03:41,730
there. And it is not as bad as
keys and which is just sort of

967
01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:43,110
like, you know, wild west.

968
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:47,100
Adam Curry: Open up here I come.
Exactly,

969
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:51,180
Dave Jones: exactly. By casting
2.5 Yeah, this is what it feels

970
01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:55,170
like. Yeah. But I mean, what I'm
really grateful that Oscar is

971
01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:58,740
willing to put into a demo app
because I think that's really

972
01:03:58,740 --> 01:04:02,400
what people need to see. Because
this is what way I described it

973
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:07,050
on on the on the mastodon was,
this is a subtle and not subtle

974
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:12,930
change at the same time. Because
it it's not that different than

975
01:04:12,930 --> 01:04:14,100
what we're already doing.

976
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:20,010
Adam Curry: 640 bytes is what
I'm seeing 640 characters max

977
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:21,090
for the Yes.

978
01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:27,150
Dave Jones: It's a little bit
small. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

979
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:28,470
We're just gonna have to figure
that part out.

980
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:33,419
Adam Curry: Okay. So, well, this
is good and the part that I

981
01:04:33,419 --> 01:04:38,999
really like about it, but we do
have to admit, I think we've got

982
01:04:38,999 --> 01:04:41,369
all the people who understand
Bitcoin, I think they're all

983
01:04:41,369 --> 01:04:45,539
pretty much in in the pocket.
Now we need to start onboarding

984
01:04:45,539 --> 01:04:50,249
quote unquote, normies. I don't
like that term. But what I like

985
01:04:50,249 --> 01:04:56,669
a lot about the strike
experience is I didn't even put

986
01:04:56,669 --> 01:05:00,329
a card in I just had a strike
account. And I just Send some

987
01:05:00,329 --> 01:05:03,029
sets to it. And it told me how
much was in there in dollars.

988
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:05,939
And I could just send that
around. So I didn't even have to

989
01:05:05,939 --> 01:05:10,529
onboard really? Yeah. But you
can I think they actually take a

990
01:05:10,529 --> 01:05:15,029
bank card. So it doesn't have to
be a credit card but a bank card

991
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:19,919
or you can connect it through a
debit card, the debit card, or

992
01:05:19,919 --> 01:05:24,689
you can connect it through some
some horrible middleware to your

993
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,409
to your lab to plan it. I think
literally plaid to your to your

994
01:05:28,409 --> 01:05:32,189
bank account. And then you just
kind of good to go. And it's in

995
01:05:32,189 --> 01:05:36,299
Fiat denomination, that's the
strike app. You know, you can

996
01:05:36,299 --> 01:05:41,219
switch it around, but the
default is dollars, or euros or

997
01:05:41,219 --> 01:05:43,919
whatever your dollar redos,
whatever you use your local,

998
01:05:43,949 --> 01:05:48,479
your local fiat currency. I know
that's going to simplify it for

999
01:05:48,479 --> 01:05:50,729
a lot of people, because I've
helped onboard a lot of people.

1000
01:05:51,059 --> 01:05:55,139
And I love church people.
Because they're typically a

1001
01:05:55,139 --> 01:05:57,899
little bit older, a little bit
less sophisticated. Not all of

1002
01:05:57,899 --> 01:06:01,079
them, but the ones who listen to
my shows. And they'll come up to

1003
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:04,199
me in church like, hey, you
know, holding up the app. And as

1004
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:07,769
I explain this, how do I get
this? What are the sets? And you

1005
01:06:07,769 --> 01:06:10,889
know, if I can just say, hey,
just open this account here. And

1006
01:06:10,889 --> 01:06:14,279
you connect this to your, to the
app you're using, and you're

1007
01:06:14,279 --> 01:06:18,269
good to go? And here's dollars
Oh man, it's gonna simplify so

1008
01:06:18,269 --> 01:06:18,749
much.

1009
01:06:19,410 --> 01:06:23,130
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think that's
what that's, it's, we need to

1010
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:26,910
keep that in mind. What what's
the goal here? The goal is that

1011
01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:31,650
you that you save somebody says,
How do I get? We can

1012
01:06:31,650 --> 01:06:34,620
Adam Curry: also just not have
to take people you don't have to

1013
01:06:34,620 --> 01:06:39,660
orange pill someone? Yes, on
both ends on both ends. Because

1014
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:43,620
for musicians, I really look at
the musicians as with all

1015
01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:47,130
respect, you know, dead like
hmm, most of them are just, you

1016
01:06:47,130 --> 01:06:49,230
know, they just want to put
their music up somewhere and

1017
01:06:49,230 --> 01:06:52,710
like, how do I get the money and
said, Okay, here's my strike,

1018
01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:55,680
here's my strike wallet, okay, I
see money coming in, I got

1019
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,930
$5 $10 $50 That's very
understandable to people. And

1020
01:07:01,290 --> 01:07:04,680
it's the same step to get it
from your paypal or your Venmo

1021
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,510
into your bank account, etc. Or
to use it just as money and pay

1022
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:12,870
other people with it. And I
think that obfuscation although

1023
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,490
not what a lot of the Bitcoin
people want, I think is

1024
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,890
incredibly important for
podcasting.

1025
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:25,710
Dave Jones: I think so too.
Yeah, yeah, that's it if you

1026
01:07:25,710 --> 01:07:32,880
have yet I did would be to
because because if you been

1027
01:07:32,910 --> 01:07:39,960
supporting, supporting these
custodial wallets in no way

1028
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,800
means you can be sovereign. You
can still I mean, you can

1029
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:49,350
completely you can be sovereign.
You want to have options you

1030
01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:53,190
want to people a, do you want to
run your own node? Be a go for

1031
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:57,450
it. Yes. That we that, that
that's fully supported? Do you

1032
01:07:57,450 --> 01:08:00,210
want to just have a strike
account and have that or a cash

1033
01:08:00,210 --> 01:08:04,200
app account? I have that work to
the as your wallet? Yes, fully

1034
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,960
support like, you just want to
remove as many barriers as

1035
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,160
possible and lips so that people
can dial up and down their their

1036
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,060
risk and their sovereignty based
on their own preference. Without

1037
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:18,960
having and without having to
like you know, hey, you know,

1038
01:08:18,990 --> 01:08:21,990
Grandma wants to send me some
money you know, okay, go by

1039
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:26,310
mastering the Lightning Network
first and read that. Read the

1040
01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:28,140
first six chapters then let's
talk.

1041
01:08:29,969 --> 01:08:33,239
Adam Curry: Exactly, yeah, just
I mean, yes, we used to say

1042
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:38,159
jeans mom, but she passed away.
So it's not appropriate anymore.

1043
01:08:38,429 --> 01:08:43,079
To say jeans mom can understand
it. But that is the idea. Yeah.

1044
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:49,439
Stacy, Stacy, Stacy's mom,
Stacy's mom, Stacy's mom. So I'm

1045
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,889
very excited about this. I do
want to add a couple things to

1046
01:08:52,889 --> 01:08:57,539
this to remind everybody to look
at value for value dot info,

1047
01:08:58,229 --> 01:09:02,609
value number four value dot
info, because there is creeping

1048
01:09:02,609 --> 01:09:10,139
in. I just have to say that it
was actually Matt from Matt

1049
01:09:10,139 --> 01:09:14,879
Madeira, who did a great like 10
minute video on this saying your

1050
01:09:14,879 --> 01:09:19,379
value for value can be time
talent, treasure, it's a concept

1051
01:09:19,379 --> 01:09:24,359
is still requires asking that
we've kind of we're starting I'm

1052
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,839
seeing some slippage into what
we're just replacing buying

1053
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:31,829
something with micropayments
it's not micro payments, it's

1054
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:35,609
not streaming payments. It's a
it's something you ask people to

1055
01:09:35,609 --> 01:09:41,309
do to support you. It's not an
automatic thing that is not like

1056
01:09:41,309 --> 01:09:45,179
a set amount. In fact, that's
the opposite. The streaming part

1057
01:09:45,179 --> 01:09:48,599
just became really nice because
it's literally you're you're

1058
01:09:48,599 --> 01:09:53,939
playing some you're playing and
then you're paying but boosting

1059
01:09:53,939 --> 01:09:58,589
I think is equally as important.
And, you know, let's not get

1060
01:09:58,589 --> 01:10:02,879
confused that this is a
replacement for 99 cents song,

1061
01:10:03,179 --> 01:10:06,359
you know, the song should still
be worth $99 to you over it's

1062
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:07,469
$99.

1063
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,450
Dave Jones: Yeah, just need to
put that out there in the

1064
01:10:12,450 --> 01:10:21,780
streaming payment the like, per
minute payments. And that'll say

1065
01:10:21,780 --> 01:10:29,040
this, I think it's a good idea.
So I guess it wouldn't, it

1066
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:34,650
wouldn't hurt, it wouldn't hurt
me too bad if, if the streaming

1067
01:10:34,650 --> 01:10:36,630
payments just didn't even exist,
I'm in

1068
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:40,830
Adam Curry: agreement with you.
Now, I'd like it personally,

1069
01:10:40,860 --> 01:10:45,180
because I know that so for
instance, I do, you know, 200

1070
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:49,950
SATs for any, for any podcasts
that I really enjoy, and listen

1071
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:53,730
to regularly, up to 200 sets per
minute streaming. So I know at

1072
01:10:53,730 --> 01:10:57,750
the end of that show, I've given
them some real value. And along

1073
01:10:57,750 --> 01:11:00,420
the way, if I, if there's
something I like, or I want to

1074
01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:04,710
provide some feedback, I'll
boost with typically 10,000 sets

1075
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:10,380
in me. And that's, that's pretty
nice, you know, for for one

1076
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:15,960
listener, so, but it really does
require, and the only people who

1077
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,650
can explain this, by the way,
and this is another thing, value

1078
01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:24,150
for value cannot be explained
properly, or at least to an

1079
01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:30,180
extent by your app, it has to be
the podcasters pot. And that's

1080
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:34,110
why value for value dot info,
gives you some examples and how

1081
01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:39,210
to do it. Dave Jackson, and
Daniel J. Lewis, they you know,

1082
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,740
they've done episodes on this,
of course, chyron has done an

1083
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:49,140
entire series, it's critical
that that that mentality stays

1084
01:11:49,170 --> 01:11:53,310
in, in there, because you can
still do value for value with

1085
01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:56,700
just with just someone sending
you some pay pals. You know, in

1086
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,280
fact, you're selling yourself
short at this point, because not

1087
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,730
everybody is going to be on this
system is not a replacement,

1088
01:12:02,730 --> 01:12:07,650
it's, it was always a, like the
index itself initially was, hey,

1089
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,430
we you're not gonna get D
platformed. Over here. And

1090
01:12:11,550 --> 01:12:15,840
here's a way for your money not
to get the platform to see, you

1091
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,830
know, the poor YouTube guys who
are living off of their YouTube

1092
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:22,500
ads. And all of a sudden YouTube
said, Ah, you know what, you

1093
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:26,730
can't have anything about ammo
or guns, and they had ammo and

1094
01:12:26,730 --> 01:12:33,300
guns podcast, I say podcasts in
air quotes, a YouTube. So that

1095
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:37,620
that was always the idea. So,
you know, we have a ways to go

1096
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:41,970
before this replaces everything
else. And it's still going to be

1097
01:12:41,970 --> 01:12:45,570
the podcasters who have to learn
how to ask for people to support

1098
01:12:45,570 --> 01:12:46,470
them in this manner.

1099
01:12:48,210 --> 01:12:51,270
Dave Jones: Eric, Eric said in
the boardroom, he said, I think

1100
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,020
I think streaming stats are
extremely important that I do to

1101
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:58,020
Eric, let me let me just be a
little more clear. I realized

1102
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:02,880
that wasn't that wasn't clear
enough. What a mean, is that I

1103
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,260
wouldn't, is that the concept of
sending a payment every single

1104
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:11,910
minute. That's what I'm not as
tied to is I used to like, going

1105
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:14,190
Adam Curry: out with my homie
five, five minutes or whatever

1106
01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:15,720
is what you're saying? Yeah,

1107
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,870
Dave Jones: I just want to know,
like, my app could just

1108
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:25,260
periodically as I'm listening,
even after I'm listening, after

1109
01:13:25,260 --> 01:13:28,800
I'm finished, he could just say,
Hey, you listened to Lou, he

1110
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:34,170
could do this, like three times
a day, he could say, you listen

1111
01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:36,900
to 20 minutes of that show here.
I'm just gonna go and send those

1112
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:43,260
payments on your behalf. It's
just the concept of the the

1113
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:48,510
like, per minute streaming. I
don't know if that is what I'm

1114
01:13:48,510 --> 01:13:51,900
at the point now, where if
that's what's holding us up? It

1115
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:55,290
shows the per minute. Yeah,
right. I think we need to and,

1116
01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:58,500
Adam Curry: and this, along the
same lines, what I thought I

1117
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:03,330
think what true fans has done is
interesting, where I can set my,

1118
01:14:03,540 --> 01:14:08,250
my true fans app and I can say,
whenever a new episode drops

1119
01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:10,710
from these guys, I want to send
them a payment even if I'm not

1120
01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:17,610
listening. That's a perfectly
valid value for value. Exchange.

1121
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:26,700
Dave Jones: I think I think we
don't necessarily, we don't we

1122
01:14:26,700 --> 01:14:30,570
don't think about the listener
side of the V for V mindset as

1123
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:34,950
much as we do the podcaster
side, correct. So the the pipe,

1124
01:14:34,980 --> 01:14:39,060
the podcaster side has flipped
been fleshed out so well by you

1125
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,060
over the years to say okay,
here's here's the podcasters

1126
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:50,190
investment into V for V. Here's
what that looks like. There is a

1127
01:14:50,190 --> 01:14:52,950
mental thing that happens and
the reason I'm bringing this up

1128
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:56,700
is because I saw the chat. So
when he said was streaming I

1129
01:14:56,700 --> 01:15:01,680
don't have to remember to boost
and I do do that, too. So I

1130
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,130
found out that what I've noticed
in myself, and I think this

1131
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:11,250
probably is true for a lot of
people is that on the listener

1132
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:16,080
side, you start out when you're
when you begin to, when you

1133
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,670
begin to think in terms of V for
V. Meaning that you know that

1134
01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:24,330
it's your support. That is the
reason this podcast is able to

1135
01:15:24,330 --> 01:15:27,510
continue. Yeah. When you start
to think about it that way,

1136
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:31,440
initially, you're, you're really
excited about having about

1137
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:37,230
boosting and sending a message,
to be deemed it to be part of

1138
01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:40,080
the show and these kinds of
things. But eventually, that

1139
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,160
sort of fades, and you just want
to send the show money

1140
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:48,480
consistently. Yeah, your lesson,
you're less enamored with

1141
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:52,680
wanting to be part of the show
than just making sure the show

1142
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,460
continues to be funded. And
that's what I that's what where

1143
01:15:56,460 --> 01:16:00,480
I've fallen, I don't boost
nearly as much as I used to. But

1144
01:16:00,660 --> 01:16:04,860
I just want to make sure that
when I do listen, that money is

1145
01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:09,330
being sent, because I don't want
to, I don't want to take without

1146
01:16:09,330 --> 01:16:10,320
giving. And

1147
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,840
Adam Curry: along those lines, I
mean, apps could do a lot with

1148
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,900
reminding people or saying hey,
you know, you've listened to the

1149
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:18,750
show a couple of times you think
about supporting it, or, you

1150
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:21,090
know, there's all kinds of
things just from the listener

1151
01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:26,640
perspective. Absolutely. But
again, again, podcasters have to

1152
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:32,220
teach their audiences. I mean, I
have taught audiences to do the

1153
01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:38,670
craziest things. And they'll do
it. And what I mean, is like,

1154
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:42,090
it's my audience, it's my
producers, it's my people. I

1155
01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:45,510
asked him, they'll do something.
It's that simple.

1156
01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:51,120
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. That
mean, because so if you take,

1157
01:16:53,010 --> 01:16:56,010
Adam Curry: like, what I mean,
what I'm saying, but this comes

1158
01:16:56,010 --> 01:16:59,970
back to I was saying earlier,
it's not, we're not moving into

1159
01:16:59,970 --> 01:17:03,180
a world where everyone pays for
the content with micro payments,

1160
01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:06,510
it's just not going to happen.
For us, that's not how the world

1161
01:17:06,510 --> 01:17:10,200
operates, people are not going
to get that mindset, they're

1162
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,700
going to be reminded by the
content producers, that they

1163
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:17,220
need to support them. And here's
an easy way.

1164
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:22,830
Dave Jones: If and also, we I
think we need to just focus on

1165
01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:28,350
if we can, you know, the free is
not that much is, it's really

1166
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:32,100
not different than what we
already do. Like this. It's not

1167
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:34,590
like you have ed the entire
world out here operating one

1168
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:37,200
way, and then you have V for v
this operating some other some

1169
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,950
different way, correct. Like
when you go to a restaurant, if

1170
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:45,870
you if nobody ever tipped at a
restaurant, if nobody ever gave

1171
01:17:45,870 --> 01:17:49,590
a tip, and everybody just paid
what was on the on the on the

1172
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:54,090
receipt, the restaurant would go
out of business. That you you

1173
01:17:54,090 --> 01:18:00,960
can't the you had adding the tip
to the bill, you consider the

1174
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,570
bill to be from the from the
restaurants point of view to be

1175
01:18:03,570 --> 01:18:08,910
basically zero. And then what
you tip is the is the gravy on

1176
01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:13,170
top that makes that thing
continue to exist. So if we take

1177
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,650
if we just modify that a little
bit and say, you know, if you

1178
01:18:16,650 --> 01:18:20,730
don't support the show is not
going to exist. Speaking

1179
01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:23,520
Adam Curry: of which, it's been
45 minutes since anyone boosted

1180
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,330
anything. Just

1181
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,730
Dave Jones: Yeah. Your Europe
they don't tip. Well. In the US

1182
01:18:32,730 --> 01:18:35,040
though. If you don't if you
don't tip you don't have any

1183
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:35,490
employees

1184
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,040
Adam Curry: that well. We don't
say I don't like the tipping

1185
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,400
example. I just don't like it.
Because it puts it into a

1186
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,550
tipping thing. Like you're
already working for me. Somehow

1187
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:47,940
you getting paid. And here's
something extra, no, it's the

1188
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:52,200
it's the pain. It's a value
exchange. I'm just a heartless

1189
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:52,800
about that.

1190
01:18:53,340 --> 01:18:55,590
Dave Jones: It is a value
exchange. But the if you I'm

1191
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:58,710
taking the restaurant out of the
equation, and say and you know

1192
01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:02,640
the tip. If, if, if if there are
no tips at the restaurant,

1193
01:19:02,670 --> 01:19:04,830
there's not going to be anybody
working there. Yeah,

1194
01:19:04,830 --> 01:19:10,800
Adam Curry: I just devalues it.
I don't work for tips. I work

1195
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,630
for value. Thank you. So

1196
01:19:14,370 --> 01:19:16,200
Dave Jones: there's restaurants
where the dish restaurants were

1197
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,870
the people were the people
working for tips make six

1198
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:19,620
figures. I know.

1199
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:22,590
Adam Curry: But it's it's
different. It's just the minute

1200
01:19:22,590 --> 01:19:25,590
you'd call it tipping. People
consider it tipping. It's a

1201
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:31,140
small amount. And I've had
$10,000 tips on no agenda, if

1202
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:34,650
you want to call it that is that
a tip? Was that someone who

1203
01:19:34,650 --> 01:19:38,430
really valued something over
over two years time and said, I

1204
01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:40,170
need to give you some value
back?

1205
01:19:40,890 --> 01:19:43,620
Dave Jones: I guess I was
thinking about like, Sam had

1206
01:19:43,620 --> 01:19:47,730
said once before that, you know,
the VA is fine, but we you know,

1207
01:19:47,730 --> 01:19:50,100
if you're running a service, you
have fixed costs and that kind

1208
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:54,690
of thing. And what I'm saying is
it's not different. What

1209
01:19:54,690 --> 01:19:58,140
Adam Curry: I'm what I'm saying
is what I'm saying is I've

1210
01:19:58,140 --> 01:20:01,740
experimented with this for 17 in
yours, I know what works.

1211
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:07,020
Calling it tipping does not work
as well as value as a value for

1212
01:20:07,020 --> 01:20:08,880
value pitch. That's what I'm
saying.

1213
01:20:09,390 --> 01:20:12,030
Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm not
arguing against that. I was

1214
01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:14,760
talking about something
different, like just the concept

1215
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,380
of trying to make the concept
that trying to find an analogy,

1216
01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:24,810
because because V four v is not
different than then the rest of

1217
01:20:24,810 --> 01:20:29,490
the economy, it's a different,
it's, nobody's the same, the

1218
01:20:29,610 --> 01:20:32,820
economics are the same, you're
just doing it in a different

1219
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:33,090
way.

1220
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,580
Adam Curry: Well, here's, here's
the difference when it comes to

1221
01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:40,170
what we're doing. For the first
time in a podcast app

1222
01:20:40,170 --> 01:20:44,280
development history, the app
developers are able to

1223
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,300
participate in the value flow,
that's what's significantly

1224
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:52,680
different. It used to be you got
a free app, and you're using it

1225
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:57,360
for you know, you're creating
this app, because you like

1226
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:02,190
building apps, you could do
remove the ads, and pay for it

1227
01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:05,370
or support the app. And now you
can be a part of the actual

1228
01:21:05,370 --> 01:21:10,980
value flow. So this podcast and
no agenda, podcast, app apps,

1229
01:21:10,980 --> 01:21:14,970
who, who are in that, in that
value flow they get, they get

1230
01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:17,550
more than they would ever
receive from from many other

1231
01:21:17,550 --> 01:21:20,970
avenues. So that's where it's a
real difference is, you know,

1232
01:21:20,970 --> 01:21:22,800
we're supporting the
infrastructure.

1233
01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:29,280
Dave Jones: Well, yep, busting
my bag. That's a decent term.

1234
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:29,910
Gluskin

1235
01:21:29,940 --> 01:21:34,230
Adam Curry: busking is yes, I
agree, busing is fair.

1236
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:36,900
Dave Jones: It's our archaic
term that nobody knows what it

1237
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:38,730
means anymore. Now,

1238
01:21:38,730 --> 01:21:41,220
Adam Curry: but like, I mean,
I've always supported musicians,

1239
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:44,130
I don't care how good or how
bad. I mean, just because I come

1240
01:21:44,130 --> 01:21:48,690
from a musical background. And
I'm in the airport, you got some

1241
01:21:48,690 --> 01:21:52,350
guy in the corner, I'm always
gonna drop 20 bucks, always.

1242
01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:55,950
That's just that, just always do
that. It's not a tip. It's like,

1243
01:21:55,950 --> 01:21:59,250
Thank you for the value you
provide. Even if you suck, you

1244
01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:04,080
came out here. You're playing.
This is your thing. Someone

1245
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:10,230
loves us. Let's see how much
chat F 7777 Mini stripe chatter

1246
01:22:10,230 --> 01:22:12,120
chatter. So

1247
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,700
Dave Jones: I'm the same way if
you're, if you're, if you're a,

1248
01:22:14,910 --> 01:22:17,640
if you're a guy, or a girl
playing guitar and singing at a

1249
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,250
little restaurant, even if you
suck, I'm dropping, I'm dropping

1250
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:21,960
at least 10 bucks in your
drawer.

1251
01:22:22,050 --> 01:22:23,970
Adam Curry: Right. But let me
let me just drop you some money

1252
01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:27,120
and just put it this way. If we
said, hey, podcasts index is

1253
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,330
here for tips. The machines
would not be running at this

1254
01:22:30,330 --> 01:22:30,870
moment.

1255
01:22:32,460 --> 01:22:37,320
Dave Jones: Yeah, I agree. I
agree. Yeah. But yes, I think I

1256
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,660
get your I get it, I get it. And
the fact the fact that the

1257
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:45,480
podcast index servers do run
when our expenses are almost

1258
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:51,750
$1,000 A month means that even
if you run a platform or service

1259
01:22:52,620 --> 01:22:56,250
value for value still works.
Yeah. This like, you know,

1260
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:58,980
that's the thing, just because
just because you have fixed

1261
01:22:58,980 --> 01:23:03,060
costs doesn't mean that value
value is not exactly, exactly.

1262
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:07,770
Adam Curry: Now, if you want to
get if you want to get VC money

1263
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:10,110
and show a return on investment,
I think it's going to be

1264
01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:10,800
difficult.

1265
01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:12,930
Dave Jones: Yeah, probably,

1266
01:23:14,430 --> 01:23:16,890
Adam Curry: probably, you know,
movies of its, you know, some

1267
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:19,860
people call it crowdfunding, you
know, it's ongoing crowdfunding,

1268
01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:21,810
you can call it that, or you can
call it that to

1269
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,610
Dave Jones: the people, your
business makes money, when the

1270
01:23:26,610 --> 01:23:32,730
people that care that want your
product, or want when the when

1271
01:23:32,730 --> 01:23:36,870
the when your customer wants a
product. And they see that they

1272
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:42,150
need to return value in order
for them to get it. Yeah, that's

1273
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:46,620
universal. Yeah, it doesn't
matter. That is just flat

1274
01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:51,690
economics. And everybody
understands that. You don't get

1275
01:23:51,690 --> 01:23:56,370
something for free. But you
know, value for value is not

1276
01:23:56,370 --> 01:24:01,470
giving stuff away. For nothing.
It's because just as I've tried

1277
01:24:01,470 --> 01:24:04,980
to make this analogy before, if
you're if you have products in a

1278
01:24:04,980 --> 01:24:11,130
store, and people come in, and
they don't value the product

1279
01:24:11,130 --> 01:24:14,040
more than they value the cash in
their wallet, they're just not

1280
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,250
going to buy it. They're still
seeing the shirt, they're

1281
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:21,690
evaluating it. If you're doing a
podcast, they will get to hear

1282
01:24:21,690 --> 01:24:24,960
it, they get to evaluate it. And
they get to decide whether or

1283
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,930
not as valuable to them and
allow them transaction is just

1284
01:24:27,930 --> 01:24:28,770
the same. Allow

1285
01:24:28,770 --> 01:24:32,370
Adam Curry: me to add a few
elements here. It is a

1286
01:24:32,370 --> 01:24:37,410
programming format that does
need certain elements. It needs

1287
01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:41,310
an Ask and it needs the feedback
loop. That's why booster grants

1288
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:45,510
became super important because
somewhere you need to thank at

1289
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:50,430
least some some portion of the
people who are sending you value

1290
01:24:50,430 --> 01:24:57,870
back that feedback loop and is
the thank you segment. That mean

1291
01:24:57,990 --> 01:25:03,840
go look at At GoFundMe, you go
to go fund, you're like, Oh,

1292
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:08,940
hey, I've got this thing going
on, I need some, I need some

1293
01:25:08,940 --> 01:25:12,900
support. Here's my story. And
then underneath that you see a

1294
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:16,830
whole list of names and how much
they donated. It's aspirational

1295
01:25:16,830 --> 01:25:21,360
and inspirational. At the same
time. The people will show up

1296
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,540
anonymous, like, I don't need to
attach my name, but they do have

1297
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:28,260
a message and they do have an
amount. And you know, you pretty

1298
01:25:28,260 --> 01:25:31,020
quickly, you'll see people
giving 100 bucks, oh, everyone's

1299
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:34,110
gonna 100 bucks, I'm gonna give
100 bucks, or 50 bucks, or

1300
01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:37,620
here's all that I can afford.
Now, here's a little secret. I

1301
01:25:37,620 --> 01:25:42,360
probably mentioned it before.
The afternoon slash evening

1302
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:46,590
before every no agenda show.
Jhansi Dvorak sends out a

1303
01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:52,440
newsletter. And the newsletter
is often correctly identified by

1304
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:58,530
people as you're just begging
for money, correct? It 40% of

1305
01:25:58,530 --> 01:26:02,670
our value for value comes in
before we've even started the

1306
01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:07,290
next show the next day, because
people were reminded, and the

1307
01:26:07,290 --> 01:26:10,350
end the reminders clear, they
says it right at the top and

1308
01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:13,530
right at the bottom. Without
your support, no agenda can not

1309
01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:17,490
survive as a reminder, and then
people also Oh, yeah, that's

1310
01:26:17,490 --> 01:26:21,150
right. If I do it now, then
they'll also read my message

1311
01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:24,060
tomorrow or they'll say happy
birthday to my wife or whatever

1312
01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:29,310
it is. And yeah, there's a drop
off in those segments, but it's

1313
01:26:29,310 --> 01:26:38,220
only 30 35%. And of course, we
try to make it entertaining. So

1314
01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:42,150
it's a it's a critical part of
how the value for value model

1315
01:26:42,150 --> 01:26:45,630
works. You can't just say oh
yeah, we're value for value get

1316
01:26:45,630 --> 01:26:47,580
the found nap. It's not going to
work for you.

1317
01:26:48,630 --> 01:26:53,820
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, it's not
it's not a it's not a technology

1318
01:26:53,820 --> 01:26:55,620
that you plug in. Exactly.

1319
01:26:57,060 --> 01:26:58,620
Adam Curry: Should we take a
little breather with some new

1320
01:26:58,620 --> 01:26:59,160
music?

1321
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:02,460
Dave Jones: Oh yeah. I gotta go
the bathroom so it's perfect

1322
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:02,700
time

1323
01:27:04,230 --> 01:27:07,350
Adam Curry: so I'm I'm looking
through the split kit and and

1324
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:09,840
I'm looking at all the new music
that's coming out and lo and

1325
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,990
behold a brand new dorsals track
everybody couldn't get any

1326
01:27:12,990 --> 01:27:17,820
better on this Friday here's
possible on 2.0 She's

1327
01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:32,610
Unknown: back she I can see she
said you're okay well you and

1328
01:27:32,610 --> 01:27:38,130
you always knows just want to
say she's the straight line and

1329
01:27:39,690 --> 01:27:43,950
you just proved it

1330
01:28:17,970 --> 01:28:18,330
she's

1331
01:28:37,650 --> 01:28:50,220
She she's dead so I can fly the
sky. She's as she always knows

1332
01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:51,090
just one.

1333
01:29:28,650 --> 01:29:32,100
When I was on my back out

1334
01:29:59,670 --> 01:30:04,980
everyone have fans

1335
01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:11,520
Adam Curry: love me some
doorbells in the afternoon

1336
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:12,060
everybody.

1337
01:30:13,380 --> 01:30:15,960
Dave Jones: That's a good that's
a good team guys. So good. So

1338
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,240
good. Last thing they do is
good. So

1339
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,780
Adam Curry: on that note, we
have the big Bitcoin Conference.

1340
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:26,670
Oops, coming up on his next week
I guess I will be there in

1341
01:30:26,670 --> 01:30:31,530
Nashville. Yes. So this is what
I wanted to discuss. Now the the

1342
01:30:31,530 --> 01:30:34,140
days were already complicated
for me because it's Thursday,

1343
01:30:34,140 --> 01:30:40,620
Friday, Saturday. My, my
stepdaughter is has been with us

1344
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:43,890
for two weeks waiting for an
operation date for her torn

1345
01:30:43,890 --> 01:30:48,810
meniscus and ACL, which is
happening on the 23rd. And I

1346
01:30:48,810 --> 01:30:52,260
kind of have to be here to help
out. So I do have a great

1347
01:30:52,260 --> 01:30:56,850
excuse. However, of course, we
had the big bands at Bitcoin

1348
01:30:56,850 --> 01:31:00,270
taking place which the
Costello's are organizing, which

1349
01:31:00,270 --> 01:31:04,140
is gonna be very exciting. And I
had a thought, and I'm going to

1350
01:31:04,140 --> 01:31:07,260
announce it here. Um, I hope
it'll be okay with the

1351
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:10,410
Costello's and I've already
tested out the rig and

1352
01:31:10,410 --> 01:31:13,560
everything I'm thinking, why
don't I do alive, boosted grand

1353
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:19,230
ball with video, breaking my
cardinal rule? Hey, now with

1354
01:31:19,230 --> 01:31:23,160
video because I have it set up
so I can have the camera, the

1355
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,790
camera can switch down to the to
the mixer, which is kind of

1356
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:30,720
cool. With a screencast at the
same time, so you can see what

1357
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:35,400
I'm doing on the screen and have
the booths coming in at the same

1358
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:40,770
time. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So I
figured I'd just do a live one.

1359
01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:43,290
I don't know what camera shot
yet. Well, basically a two

1360
01:31:43,290 --> 01:31:46,290
camera shot. I don't have a
third camera, it'll be a two

1361
01:31:46,290 --> 01:31:49,560
camera shot with one one that
will move back and forth between

1362
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:55,740
me. And, and and the mixer. So
I'll just hit that manually. So

1363
01:31:55,740 --> 01:31:58,740
everybody can see kind of how it
works. And we'll just be

1364
01:31:58,740 --> 01:32:01,830
blasting out some tunes there.
Because I figured there's no

1365
01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:04,800
real difference between sitting
there or doing it here that I'm

1366
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,580
just not there. And the question
is, do you want to do the board

1367
01:32:08,580 --> 01:32:11,010
meeting? While you're there as
well, which you could just do

1368
01:32:11,010 --> 01:32:13,260
from the hotel room, I guess. Do
you want to Are you are you

1369
01:32:13,260 --> 01:32:14,970
staying overnight just going up
for the day?

1370
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:20,790
Dave Jones: No, so here's my
schedule is I'm going to I'm

1371
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:27,420
going to head to Nashville.
Right after work on Thursday. So

1372
01:32:27,420 --> 01:32:33,630
that's the 25th. So I'm going to
head I'm going to leave right at

1373
01:32:33,630 --> 01:32:37,140
five o'clock. from Birmingham.
It takes about two hours to get

1374
01:32:37,140 --> 01:32:42,660
to Nashville from here. And so
I'm staying, Karen, Karen down

1375
01:32:42,660 --> 01:32:46,020
from mere mortals. He's coming.
He's flying in from Brazil to

1376
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:50,580
cool. Yeah. And so we're going
to meet up and share an Airbnb

1377
01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:54,930
for Thursday night and Friday
night and I'm going to drive

1378
01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:59,250
back to Birmingham on Saturday.
So do you want me there Thursday

1379
01:32:59,250 --> 01:33:00,120
night and Friday night? Do

1380
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,330
Adam Curry: you want to do the
board meeting Friday as regular?

1381
01:33:03,330 --> 01:33:06,180
Yeah. Okay. And you'll just
bring your gear and just plug it

1382
01:33:06,180 --> 01:33:07,200
in? Yeah,

1383
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,780
Dave Jones: I'm bringing my gear
plant board meeting as usual.

1384
01:33:09,780 --> 01:33:11,910
I'll just do it from the Airbnb.
Excellent.

1385
01:33:11,940 --> 01:33:15,300
Adam Curry: And because I mean,
that's pretty boring. I mean, I

1386
01:33:15,300 --> 01:33:17,070
don't think we should be
streaming that it's like, who

1387
01:33:17,070 --> 01:33:23,370
wants to see these dudes. But,
so I guess I'm looking for some

1388
01:33:23,370 --> 01:33:24,090
help here.

1389
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,460
Dave Jones: So what what time,
we'll see, I will do the board

1390
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,070
doomed. I'm not I'm not going to
the conference. By the way. I

1391
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:33,840
don't have tickets. I don't care
anything about going to the

1392
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:37,350
conferences. So I'm just
basically there to meet up with

1393
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:40,800
people and hang out and just
have fun. I'm glad you can make

1394
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:46,290
it. So the 28th So you got this
thing you're doing with the live

1395
01:33:46,590 --> 01:33:49,110
booster Grand Ball? Is that
gonna be the 25th or the sixth?

1396
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:53,670
Adam Curry: It has to be on the
26th it could be on that side.

1397
01:33:53,670 --> 01:33:57,600
It can do the Saturday too. So
I'm looking forward looking to

1398
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,730
the Costello's to tell me what
they need. And then of course my

1399
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,480
my number one question is and
this is where blueberry or

1400
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:10,350
Spencer anybody can help me out
what I mean I have stream yard.

1401
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:14,220
I just need to know where to
point it. I mean, obviously I

1402
01:34:14,220 --> 01:34:18,660
can output to YouTube. That's
how I tested it that works fine.

1403
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:24,240
So I need to know where to point
my my stream. And then I guess I

1404
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:28,530
need to incorporate that into a
feed or I mean can I just move

1405
01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:31,890
that put it all into booster
ground balls feed? I need a

1406
01:34:31,890 --> 01:34:34,140
little help there because I've
never done this with video.

1407
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:41,760
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah, so if
you're gonna do that oh, so

1408
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,660
there's the seed bands that
Bitcoin is the 25th is every day

1409
01:34:45,660 --> 01:34:50,730
right? 26 and 27? I think so.
Yeah. Okay, so I hope you do if

1410
01:34:50,730 --> 01:34:54,210
you don't on the 27th I'm not.
If it's at night, I'm not going

1411
01:34:54,210 --> 01:34:56,040
to be in I'll already be gone
from Nashville.

1412
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:58,680
Adam Curry: What's the 27th is
that Saturday? That's Saturday.

1413
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,800
No, I'd hope I can do it during
the day, I mean, I don't know,

1414
01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:05,850
but I'll leave it open to them.
Because obviously, they they're

1415
01:35:05,850 --> 01:35:08,250
gonna I know they're gonna have
screens so it'll be on the

1416
01:35:08,250 --> 01:35:12,090
screen and the whole point of me
is promoting it promoting what's

1417
01:35:12,090 --> 01:35:15,660
going on. I mean, I've done
these and, and I've done stuff

1418
01:35:15,660 --> 01:35:18,030
where there's a live audience
and I'm just hitting a booth so

1419
01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:21,420
I know how to how to interact
and how to make that happen.

1420
01:35:22,830 --> 01:35:26,460
admit there's even extra stuff
we can do. You know, also I'd

1421
01:35:26,460 --> 01:35:30,270
like some help from the
Costello's on songs song choice

1422
01:35:30,690 --> 01:35:33,720
for the bands that are there,
you know, that's kind of the

1423
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:37,470
stuff you want to do. So I'm
open to it but um, so I'm just

1424
01:35:37,470 --> 01:35:40,920
saying I will make myself
available all day Friday, all

1425
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,820
day Saturday, whatever is needed
for me to set it up. Tell me how

1426
01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:47,400
long you want it. And I'm happy
to do it.

1427
01:35:48,420 --> 01:35:50,100
Dave Jones: Looks like it looks
like you're getting some advice

1428
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:57,030
in the boardroom. And the the
26th is my my sort of loose very

1429
01:35:57,030 --> 01:36:03,270
loose agenda is 20 Thursday the
25th I plan to go to the bands

1430
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:09,330
of Bitcoin thing one I think it
might be the 26th I'm going to

1431
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:12,360
have to check I want to go to
the V wavelengths having

1432
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:17,100
something at the vinyl lounge in
Nashville I want to go to that

1433
01:36:17,190 --> 01:36:23,850
and then if the if I'm still if
then I'm basically gonna go to

1434
01:36:23,850 --> 01:36:26,040
the band's with Bitcoin every
time I can and then the vinyl

1435
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,200
lounge and then the board and
then the board meeting on the

1436
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:32,400
26th on Friday Okay, in any time
around anytime Other than that,

1437
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:38,190
um, you know if anybody wants to
hang out me just hit me up and

1438
01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:40,770
we'll and we'll hang out I'll
just be you know, be me and Kira

1439
01:36:40,770 --> 01:36:44,190
and and then I know I'm going to
meet up with Oscar and gas from

1440
01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:47,730
fountain and things like that.
So let's, let's all just,

1441
01:36:48,330 --> 01:36:50,670
anybody can find me. Let's all
meet up. Excellent.

1442
01:36:50,820 --> 01:36:54,420
Adam Curry: And maybe, well, you
can probably use podcasts index

1443
01:36:54,420 --> 01:36:57,090
out social to coordinate stuff
because everyone seems to have

1444
01:36:57,090 --> 01:36:59,670
an account there. So we can
just, you know, say hey, I'm

1445
01:36:59,670 --> 01:37:01,560
over here. I'm doing this right
now.

1446
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,680
Dave Jones: Eric said the vinyl
lounge thing is the 25th I guess

1447
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,400
I'll go to that the first 25th
and go to the bands of Bitcoin

1448
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,170
on the 26th Okay, cool.

1449
01:37:11,580 --> 01:37:15,150
Adam Curry: Let's see. I don't I
mean, do you have anything on

1450
01:37:15,150 --> 01:37:16,290
your on your list for today?

1451
01:37:17,310 --> 01:37:20,340
Dave Jones: I mean, I've got a
I've got a big list. He's

1452
01:37:20,340 --> 01:37:27,600
Adam Curry: got a big list and
he's mad you know, I really

1453
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:32,250
missed our Fridays. You know, I
know you had a good time. Can

1454
01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:33,690
you integrate with your family?

1455
01:37:33,870 --> 01:37:37,890
Dave Jones: Yeah. That's
awesome. That that so so we got

1456
01:37:37,890 --> 01:37:45,900
to Yosemite so we do getting out
there the first few days were

1457
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:51,360
interesting. So we flew out on
American American landed from

1458
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:58,020
Birmingham to Dallas Fort Worth.
So we landed in Dallas with 20

1459
01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:02,040
minutes to make it to our next
flight. And because of lightning

1460
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,620
they sat on the runway for 30
minutes so we missed our

1461
01:38:04,620 --> 01:38:08,940
connecting flight. So they had
to reschedule us for we had

1462
01:38:09,180 --> 01:38:10,800
ended up five hour layover.

1463
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,750
Adam Curry: What did you do? Did
you play games? You got

1464
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:19,170
something to eat? Of course, we
all do that? Yeah. Vape in the

1465
01:38:19,170 --> 01:38:21,570
bathroom? Oh, I'm sorry. You
know, vaping allows I'd be in

1466
01:38:21,570 --> 01:38:28,650
the 00 vaping where you you walk
out and you inhale and then you

1467
01:38:28,650 --> 01:38:31,740
just let it sit in your lungs
for like a minute and then

1468
01:38:31,740 --> 01:38:34,260
nothing comes out as great. I

1469
01:38:34,260 --> 01:38:40,200
Dave Jones: did not do that. The
so most of the time, and most of

1470
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,940
the time spent was trying to
figure out okay, this this

1471
01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:48,210
because what we did was we flew
into Fresno and we stayed one

1472
01:38:48,210 --> 01:38:53,310
night in Mariposa, which is real
near to Yosemite. We stayed

1473
01:38:53,310 --> 01:38:57,750
where we had one night, like
stay at an inn in Mariposa. So

1474
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:59,070
I'm caught with vibrating

1475
01:38:59,070 --> 01:39:01,350
Adam Curry: beds and shaped

1476
01:39:01,350 --> 01:39:03,990
Dave Jones: my heart and the
big, big hot tubs.

1477
01:39:05,010 --> 01:39:06,360
Adam Curry: It smells kind of
weird.

1478
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:13,020
Dave Jones: Don't don't bring
the black light. Okay. So we I

1479
01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:15,960
was I called them I'm like, Hey,
we're gonna be late late check

1480
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:17,910
in and they were like, oh, have
you not been reading the news?

1481
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:21,570
I'm like, what? They're like
there's a big wildfire here. I

1482
01:39:21,570 --> 01:39:26,910
was like, Oh crap. So the half
of Mariposa was evacuated. Oh,

1483
01:39:26,910 --> 01:39:31,620
wow. Oh no. The entrance to
Yosemite from this from the west

1484
01:39:31,620 --> 01:39:35,010
side was closed because of the
wildfire and all this I'm like,

1485
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:40,500
Oh crap. So it ended up we got
in and they were able to get the

1486
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:43,560
fire under control. So we got in
we stayed. Then we got to our

1487
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:48,720
Airbnb the next day in Oakhurst,
which is just south of this

1488
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:54,540
empty. We get to that. The first
night we were there. The

1489
01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:57,750
plumbing backs up and there's
like sewage coming into the

1490
01:39:57,750 --> 01:40:04,980
toilet you know Don't flush the
toilet Ah, man. So they ended up

1491
01:40:04,980 --> 01:40:07,800
refunding part of our stay and
they got a plumber out there the

1492
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:12,120
next day and fixed it. It was it
was once the first three days of

1493
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:16,770
it were over the rest was okay.
The rest was great. And your

1494
01:40:16,770 --> 01:40:19,140
expectations are super low.
Yeah, like and

1495
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:26,310
Adam Curry: thank you people.
Yes do okay. Well, thank you all

1496
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:30,450
for boosting very nice. We have
anonymous podcast guru user. I

1497
01:40:30,450 --> 01:40:34,260
see that person a lot with 2112
Consider broadcasting I know

1498
01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:37,110
agenda tube supports live splits
and generates the feed for you.

1499
01:40:37,620 --> 01:40:41,880
Why yes, that I could do that.
But I want to use the booster

1500
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:45,720
gram ball feed and I see there's
already some some good advice

1501
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:52,500
coming through. 777 from
Macintosh and Macintosh

1502
01:40:52,530 --> 01:40:58,200
Macintosh actually boosted twice
2100 and 777 to get the heart

1503
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,590
playing. Can we organize a PC
2.0 meetup please, at the

1504
01:41:01,590 --> 01:41:04,470
Bitcoin Conference? Well, sounds
like something will happen.

1505
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:07,230
It'll probably be pretty
organic, but it sounds like

1506
01:41:07,230 --> 01:41:10,950
something will happen. I think
it will evolve. Call McCormick

1507
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:17,670
row six or eight eggplant
emojis. Thank you Eric PDP 1111

1508
01:41:17,670 --> 01:41:20,790
V four v is the only way I can
build reputation along side

1509
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:24,180
financial gain and fair market
every door to send talent and

1510
01:41:24,180 --> 01:41:27,810
treasure needs to be open to the
listener. As a podcaster I think

1511
01:41:27,810 --> 01:41:30,810
there's more to work on showing
the system works more so than

1512
01:41:30,810 --> 01:41:33,300
pitching Bitcoin to the
listener. I've been hyper

1513
01:41:33,300 --> 01:41:36,360
focused on pushing fountain is V
for V about having more money

1514
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,390
apps available or doing more to
build value between me and the

1515
01:41:39,390 --> 01:41:43,080
audience. I think it's the
relationship between you in the

1516
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:49,080
audience. And then however they
want to send value is fine. Time

1517
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,140
talent treasure can be all kinds
of things having someone build

1518
01:41:52,140 --> 01:41:58,200
your website is worth a lot of
money. 808 from blueberry boo

1519
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:01,890
boost if you're producing
concerts a great way to recap is

1520
01:42:01,890 --> 01:42:05,160
to go back at a later date and
read through every boost as its

1521
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,490
own episode. I did that for
Aynsley slash just loud and 12

1522
01:42:08,490 --> 01:42:11,100
rods disco ball show and we just
published the one for the

1523
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:14,820
satellite skirmish yes is a
great idea. It's a great way

1524
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:17,910
it's like you know we watch the
chosen

1525
01:42:19,530 --> 01:42:21,930
Unknown: the Dallas who's the
show? Yeah,

1526
01:42:21,930 --> 01:42:25,260
Adam Curry: it's it's the Jesus
series. You haven't watched the

1527
01:42:25,260 --> 01:42:29,820
chosen? I don't think so. What
kind of freak Are you?

1528
01:42:31,530 --> 01:42:34,290
Dave Jones: Substandard whenever
daily so the chosen

1529
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,810
Adam Curry: they're now on
Season Four it started season

1530
01:42:36,810 --> 01:42:42,630
one and and I think they
actually the this the original

1531
01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:46,260
script or you know was at a
Hollywood studio in Hollywood

1532
01:42:46,260 --> 01:42:48,930
didn't want to produce it like
now we want to do on a Jesus

1533
01:42:48,930 --> 01:42:52,440
stuff. And it's it's literally
the story of Jesus but it's done

1534
01:42:52,440 --> 01:42:57,480
in a very modern way. You know,
with just it's not like a hokey

1535
01:42:58,410 --> 01:43:00,600
you know, low budget thing
because what they did it they

1536
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,500
crowdfunded it. And at the end
of the season, there's 15

1537
01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:09,360
minutes of credits on the
screen, and oh, for all the

1538
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:13,560
crowd for all the crowdfunding.
Yes. And in season two. They

1539
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,920
actually invited people above a
certain level who crowdfunded

1540
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,090
and they were extras.

1541
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:20,670
Dave Jones: Oh, that's that's a
great so a

1542
01:43:20,670 --> 01:43:23,340
Adam Curry: lot of people like
there's no there's you see those

1543
01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:27,420
5000 people getting love getting
loaves of bread and fish. Well,

1544
01:43:27,420 --> 01:43:28,800
look, there's me and my kids.

1545
01:43:29,850 --> 01:43:31,710
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's great.
And it's

1546
01:43:31,710 --> 01:43:35,160
Adam Curry: been very
successful. Very successful. Oh,

1547
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:35,220
I

1548
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:36,390
Dave Jones: need to watch that.
Yeah. Oh,

1549
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:40,560
Adam Curry: you remember what
you gave me for Christmas? Yeah,

1550
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:45,540
the visual Bible. So it's like
that only it's it's only about

1551
01:43:45,540 --> 01:43:51,390
Jesus and and it's the
production values are very high.

1552
01:43:52,110 --> 01:43:52,320
So

1553
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,900
Dave Jones: it's 16 by nine
instead of four by three VHS.

1554
01:43:56,160 --> 01:44:01,560
Adam Curry: Yeah, amongst other
things. We got many striper

1555
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:06,120
booths from Sam Sethi true fans
7777 Next week we launched true

1556
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,300
fans ball with one click account
setup with wallet we did this

1557
01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:12,180
for one click wallet top up and
we think we've done it again

1558
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:15,840
with wallets so there's Sam Sam
is thinking like the thinking

1559
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:21,240
about the listener. Hard Hat
7777 Remember to boost Yes,

1560
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:25,680
thank you once told Kyle 777
Hey, David Adam, I'm still not

1561
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,130
sure how this V for V alchemy
works. But it sure is fun to run

1562
01:44:29,130 --> 01:44:31,530
full speed with these systems
every Friday. Have a great

1563
01:44:31,530 --> 01:44:36,600
weekend. Thank you. You have a
great weekend. 7777 from chat F

1564
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:43,710
just says boost 5000 from DS
laughs This boost is worth $3.33

1565
01:44:43,710 --> 01:44:47,370
As of this moment, love the
podcasting 2.0 Project ecosystem

1566
01:44:47,370 --> 01:44:53,130
and all the users interaction as
do we are you seeing bariga 3333

1567
01:44:53,130 --> 01:44:56,040
Here's more value exchange.
Thank you. Champ comes in with

1568
01:44:56,040 --> 01:45:04,350
12,621 and says here's your tip.
But the day Thank you. RG black

1569
01:45:04,350 --> 01:45:08,100
316 1111 Here's a boost to help
break up the silence go

1570
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:11,640
podcasting. Se Brooklyn Hill is
broken. That's right see

1571
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:18,900
Brooklyn. One 112 3333 Good
luck. And let me see we have a

1572
01:45:18,900 --> 01:45:23,550
there's more here RG black 316.
Again, with 1000 SATs corporate

1573
01:45:23,550 --> 01:45:26,220
Windows environments definitely
should have nightly shutdowns in

1574
01:45:26,220 --> 01:45:30,330
place even if by automation via
group policy. Oh,

1575
01:45:30,330 --> 01:45:34,290
Dave Jones: there's something
Dave. Yeah. Or or in the past

1576
01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:39,930
I've also set up things that
will shock collars. The shock.

1577
01:45:40,410 --> 01:45:45,510
Yes. thing oh, I've also set up
automated notices where it says,

1578
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,990
you know, everybody if your
machine is on at three o'clock

1579
01:45:48,990 --> 01:45:52,680
in the morning, you get a pop up
the next day that says, hey, you

1580
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,900
left your machine if you do it
again. Shut down.

1581
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:59,070
Adam Curry: I like shock collars
better. Meaty tone wrecker?

1582
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:02,820
3333. Boosting Dave sage advice
of shut off of the machines when

1583
01:46:02,820 --> 01:46:07,440
leaving the office. Macintosh
777 Thank you. No boost no Dred

1584
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:11,340
Scott 7777. He sent us a test
boost. Great. And he sent us a

1585
01:46:11,340 --> 01:46:17,580
pre shot boost. Got the bad
signal via pod verse 2345. And I

1586
01:46:17,580 --> 01:46:25,620
think that is Wait, no, I have
no, that's probably on your

1587
01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:28,740
list. Blueberry came in 14 hours
ago. So why don't you take it

1588
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:30,180
from there, Dave? Yeah, I

1589
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:32,100
Dave Jones: got Eva. I'm
starting out with some papers

1590
01:46:32,100 --> 01:46:35,280
and I got Buzzsprout for 1000
bucks. With

1591
01:46:40,110 --> 01:46:43,380
Adam Curry: blades on him. Paul.
Thank you, brothers. Thank you

1592
01:46:43,380 --> 01:46:47,550
so much. We appreciate it. Yeah,
keeping us rollin. There's a

1593
01:46:47,550 --> 01:46:48,480
month right there.

1594
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,400
Dave Jones: Thank you both. I
appreciate that. And right

1595
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:55,440
behind them Oscar marry $200.

1596
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:59,340
Adam Curry: I'm gonna hate him
to hold on a second. Shot call

1597
01:46:59,340 --> 01:47:03,390
out 20 blades on him, Paul. Very
nice. Thank you.

1598
01:47:04,650 --> 01:47:07,770
Dave Jones: Did you Eric said
his boost from Alby hub didn't

1599
01:47:07,770 --> 01:47:08,490
go through.

1600
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:10,950
Adam Curry: Eric VP?

1601
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:13,860
Dave Jones: I don't see I don't
know if I saw them in the

1602
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:18,990
Adam Curry: in when did he send
it recently boost by?

1603
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:24,060
Dave Jones: I don't know. Maybe
during the show? No. Mercy. Very

1604
01:47:24,060 --> 01:47:31,230
fun in a minute. Oh, we got a
ROB policeman. No note they sent

1605
01:47:31,230 --> 01:47:32,670
us 24 $25

1606
01:47:32,700 --> 01:47:36,060
Adam Curry: This sounds like
someone new. I haven't heard of

1607
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:36,810
yeah, I've never

1608
01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:37,560
Dave Jones: heard that name
before.

1609
01:47:40,380 --> 01:47:43,050
Adam Curry: defragmented.
Brother. Thank you. Good call.

1610
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:48,630
Dave Jones: Good call. See
Brooklyn. 112 gave us $20 Cisco

1611
01:47:48,630 --> 01:47:49,320
podcasting.

1612
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:50,040
Adam Curry: Thank you, ma'am.

1613
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,480
Dave Jones: Thank you see
Brooklyn. Appreciate that. See,

1614
01:47:57,480 --> 01:48:00,090
we got some booths. Mr. Graham's

1615
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:03,300
Adam Curry: people didn't really
booths much while while we were

1616
01:48:03,300 --> 01:48:07,560
gone. We didn't deserve it.
There's no value. We're no

1617
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:11,790
valuate Oh, man, we were laid
off. We are valueless. Yeah.

1618
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:16,410
Dave Jones: Let's see. Let me
make sure that I've got Yes

1619
01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:19,830
Okay, so I'm gonna have to do
this a little differently

1620
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:28,290
because comments from Blogger
boosted long time ago. Okay,

1621
01:48:28,290 --> 01:48:32,190
here we go. Yeah, anonymous.
Podcast guru user is all over

1622
01:48:32,190 --> 01:48:35,850
the place. Oh, Christian is
unstoppable. May is amazing song

1623
01:48:35,850 --> 01:48:38,160
20 to 22 sets. Thank you.

1624
01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:40,110
Unknown: Thank you. See.

1625
01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:45,420
Dave Jones: Resort. This isn't
working right. Okay, newest

1626
01:48:45,420 --> 01:48:51,810
first. There we go. Hey, I got
17 776 through party through

1627
01:48:51,810 --> 01:48:56,220
boosts. CLI says it has been set
into motion. Coming soon. A

1628
01:48:56,220 --> 01:49:00,360
boost. A boost double Mall. It'd
be working with a new site

1629
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,780
headed up by a consignment shop
and help turn the area into live

1630
01:49:03,780 --> 01:49:09,120
streaming venues for live music
comedians and artists. Hmm, that

1631
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:10,470
sounds cool. Yeah.

1632
01:49:10,980 --> 01:49:11,700
Adam Curry: Interesting. Boost.

1633
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:13,650
Dave Jones: Double boost double
Mall. Okay.

1634
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:15,090
Adam Curry: Good.

1635
01:49:15,780 --> 01:49:17,190
Dave Jones: Yeah, you're you're
crazy.

1636
01:49:17,850 --> 01:49:19,260
Adam Curry: Weary as always.

1637
01:49:19,410 --> 01:49:24,000
Dave Jones: Yeah. Todd from
Northern Virginia 22 to 22 nice

1638
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:29,910
boost. He says sets on sale go
podcast. I must have bought the

1639
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:30,240
dip.

1640
01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:33,780
Adam Curry: Yeah, definitely.
It's been a roller

1641
01:49:33,780 --> 01:49:36,420
Dave Jones: coaster. The last
couple of months has been nuts.

1642
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:42,480
Andrew grommet Hey, Andrew 2222
He's boosting the tune. He says

1643
01:49:42,630 --> 01:49:43,350
boost

1644
01:49:43,890 --> 01:49:46,410
Adam Curry: No, I can do that
for you. Almost I can't where's

1645
01:49:46,410 --> 01:49:46,680
my

1646
01:49:46,710 --> 01:49:51,300
Dave Jones: wherever at? There
we go. Oh, he's got the reply

1647
01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:54,990
address reply key. Yeah, he's
got everything in here. As you

1648
01:49:54,990 --> 01:49:58,830
would expect, oh, Karen from
mere mortals. 1111. Sasha

1649
01:49:58,830 --> 01:50:01,500
Richards he says yep, we have
strike in Australia for at least

1650
01:50:01,620 --> 01:50:02,700
a year. Yeah.

1651
01:50:02,700 --> 01:50:05,220
Adam Curry: Why is that only for
at least a year? What's going

1652
01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:07,650
on? I'm gonna have

1653
01:50:07,650 --> 01:50:09,630
Dave Jones: it but have never
used it for anything. The amount

1654
01:50:09,630 --> 01:50:12,900
of apps I have downloaded after
hearing it on here and then

1655
01:50:12,900 --> 01:50:19,410
never used is pretty high. It
happens. So Andrew coming in

1656
01:50:19,410 --> 01:50:22,920
again. 2222 says Greenlight is
super cool, but yeah, it looks

1657
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,590
like the fee payout from
individual noncustodial wallets

1658
01:50:25,590 --> 01:50:28,680
does not justify the liquidity
lockup. Yeah, I look forward to

1659
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:35,580
checking out cashew. Yeah, yeah,
it's just I mean, everybody's

1660
01:50:35,610 --> 01:50:41,070
everybody who knows. It's just
saying don't do it. No. Wish pod

1661
01:50:41,070 --> 01:50:46,500
home 15,000 SATs. Oh, nice. Do
podcast guru says I love that

1662
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:49,710
there are more and more options
for live podcasting. At pod

1663
01:50:49,710 --> 01:50:53,370
home.fm. We provide the
streaming server for you. Just

1664
01:50:53,370 --> 01:50:56,460
flip a switch to configure it.
We can also record your session

1665
01:50:56,490 --> 01:51:00,270
or play a recording as a live
session. or small busy lots of

1666
01:51:00,270 --> 01:51:01,950
people using the live feature.

1667
01:51:02,070 --> 01:51:05,700
Adam Curry: Excellent. I'm glad
I'm glad more of that, please.

1668
01:51:06,210 --> 01:51:06,720
Yes.

1669
01:51:07,650 --> 01:51:10,920
Dave Jones: Oh Clarkie. And this
is my buddy. From up the road.

1670
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:15,570
He says he's boosting through
fountain 5000 Sassy synesthete

1671
01:51:15,570 --> 01:51:20,100
mint. E cash be a solution for
multiple funding source meant

1672
01:51:20,370 --> 01:51:22,950
something to keep an eye on
something to keep your eye on.

1673
01:51:24,660 --> 01:51:26,820
Adam Curry: It can all be in the
options file.

1674
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:35,100
Dave Jones: Fitty mint e cash. S
T. Interesting. Yeah, I guess. I

1675
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:39,000
guess Fetty meant I don't
understand the difference

1676
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,730
between 30 Min. And cashew? I
mean, the

1677
01:51:41,730 --> 01:51:44,520
Adam Curry: Fetty men I think
the fatty man is a bunch of

1678
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:50,550
people who create a mint
together. Okay, but I'm I'm a

1679
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:52,110
little unclear on it myself.

1680
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,140
Dave Jones: I think one thing
that makes people nervous about

1681
01:51:55,140 --> 01:51:57,780
the minutes is that you can
easily fractional reserve that

1682
01:51:57,780 --> 01:51:58,110
thing.

1683
01:51:58,140 --> 01:52:02,340
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes, that is an
issue. You

1684
01:52:02,340 --> 01:52:06,090
Dave Jones: would I don't see it
being trustworthy at all, unless

1685
01:52:06,090 --> 01:52:08,610
you have some sort of an
attestation to balance what it

1686
01:52:08,610 --> 01:52:11,910
Adam Curry: brought us to strike
into the O auth. And so I'm

1687
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:12,810
grateful for that.

1688
01:52:13,290 --> 01:52:15,720
Dave Jones: And that's and I
still think it's I think I still

1689
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:19,440
think it's a feature thing. I
mean, the only thing about

1690
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:24,810
cashyou is us talking to Alex
about this earlier. It feels a

1691
01:52:24,810 --> 01:52:27,570
little immature. I just don't
sure that it's ready for Oh

1692
01:52:27,570 --> 01:52:27,990
yeah. Oh

1693
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:29,940
Adam Curry: no, I think it's
very immature at this point.

1694
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:30,810
Yeah,

1695
01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,630
Dave Jones: I think in the
future I could see mince being a

1696
01:52:33,630 --> 01:52:34,200
thing by

1697
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:37,980
Adam Curry: the way. Bitcoin
67,002 79.

1698
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,520
Dave Jones: Lord what did it why
did it jump? Tron?

1699
01:52:41,610 --> 01:52:48,600
Adam Curry: Baby Trump. Trump
crops on risk on risk on That's

1700
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:48,960
right.

1701
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,190
Dave Jones: Oh, and we got the
delimiter call Mr. Blogger

1702
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:58,230
28,000 SATs Nice. Thank you.
Through fountain he says,

1703
01:52:58,860 --> 01:53:01,380
remembers this from two weeks
ago. He says howdy David Adam.

1704
01:53:01,890 --> 01:53:06,330
Instead of the podcast this week
in guns by Texans Ben and Jean,

1705
01:53:06,690 --> 01:53:10,740
aka two good old boys Podcast.
Today I'd like to recommend a

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01:53:10,740 --> 01:53:16,050
good podcast about podcasting
industry title in and around

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podcasting by Mark Asquith,
Danny Brown and friends. To find

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it, please go to www.in and
around podcasting.com or search

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for in and around podcasting. In
podcast player apps. It's better

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recommended by podcast index for
social users so good to CSV.

1711
01:53:34,980 --> 01:53:38,310
Adam Curry: Thank you CSB.
always appreciated man always

1712
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:40,590
appreciate. Thank you. Bunk.

1713
01:53:40,860 --> 01:53:43,710
Dave Jones: I wonder if the
doubt Mark Asquith knows that

1714
01:53:43,710 --> 01:53:46,290
CSB paid to advertise his
pledge. He

1715
01:53:46,290 --> 01:53:48,510
Adam Curry: did. This is a
beautiful thing he does. I

1716
01:53:48,510 --> 01:53:53,100
really like it. It's good. Yeah,
that's good. That's good. Any

1717
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:55,140
monthlies Oh, yeah, we

1718
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:57,870
Dave Jones: do. Thank you. I was
it was sitting right in front of

1719
01:53:57,870 --> 01:54:05,070
my face. Trevor, the Satan's
lawyer. Five $5 from Down Under.

1720
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Thank you had Pharaoh $20.22
Thank you, Brother Chad. Cameron

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Rose $25 Martin lindskog. $1
Brendon. apod page $25. Nice

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smart gram $1 Randall black $5.
Joseph maraca $5. Emilio canto

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Molina $4 Mitch and Kreon over a
pod verse 50 bucks. Thank you.

1724
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Ah, beautiful. Basil fill up.
$25 Thank you, basil. Lauren

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ball. $24.22 Excuse me. $24.20
Thank you, Lauren. Christopher

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hora, Barak $10. Mitch downy
coming in again. 10 bucks. Terry

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killer $5 longtime supporter
Yes. Silicone florist. $10 Chris

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cow and five bucks. Paul
Saltzman $22.22 Beautiful

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DePaul. Daymond Cassie Jack 15
bucks. Longtime Derek J.

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Vickery. The best name In
podcasting, $21, Jeremy gerdts

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$5 New Media Productions that
would be Todd and Tom Rob Yeah.

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30 bucks. Thank you, Michael
Hall $5.50 And Timothy voice

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$10,

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Adam Curry: thank you all very
much for supporting us value for

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value and keeps everything
running. Dave and Adam don't do

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not take any of this home, we
leave it in the bank to keep all

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of this running when we're long
gone. Of course, the Bitcoin

1738
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,480
stays on the node, we've been
opening up channels with people

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looking for alternate solutions
going as sovereign, if you need

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01:55:33,870 --> 01:55:36,630
to, if you need some liquidity
hit us up. It's, it's crazy, you

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01:55:36,630 --> 01:55:39,930
know, it's like they just open a
million sat channel to Pete to

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people not even thinking about
it. And I'm like, Yeah, that's

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700 bucks. Whoa, yeah, take

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01:55:46,860 --> 01:55:48,480
Dave Jones: some thought. Think

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01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:51,000
Adam Curry: about that for a
second. Yeah, maybe 500,000 SATs

1746
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:54,330
will be enough. But it doesn't
matter. We don't mind locking it

1747
01:55:54,330 --> 01:55:57,510
all up. It's, it's all part of
the service part. And including

1748
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podcasts index is social, you
get it all. If you get any value

1749
01:56:01,140 --> 01:56:04,290
out of what we do, particularly
the index, of course, which is

1750
01:56:04,290 --> 01:56:07,860
now powering 10s. if not
hundreds of 1000s of listening

1751
01:56:07,890 --> 01:56:11,040
experiences, then support us
with the value you get out of it

1752
01:56:11,220 --> 01:56:14,970
for your app for your, for your
hosting service for just for

1753
01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:17,640
enjoyment for being a part of a
great community, because it

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01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:22,170
really is and and I'm reminded
once again, that podcasting

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01:56:22,170 --> 01:56:27,030
unites in such incredible ways.
If you look at our podcast, the

1756
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:31,890
podcasting 2.0 community, people
from very diverse backgrounds,

1757
01:56:31,890 --> 01:56:36,840
very diverse ideals and
thoughts, and somehow just all

1758
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:41,100
working for the same goal of
keeping this moving forward,

1759
01:56:41,100 --> 01:56:45,150
keeps us cohesive, keeps us
together. And I appreciate how

1760
01:56:45,150 --> 01:56:49,980
everyone participates in that.
It's really it's a great thing

1761
01:56:49,980 --> 01:56:53,100
that's happening here. It's
unique, I would say unique.

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01:56:53,910 --> 01:57:00,150
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
But if, if we if we start

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putting if if app start using
strike a lot more, do should we

1764
01:57:05,790 --> 01:57:08,700
chant? Should we open a Fat
Channel to strike?

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Adam Curry: We can.

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01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:14,730
Dave Jones: I just, I just don't
know. Who to contact over there.

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01:57:14,730 --> 01:57:17,940
I don't know that we have any
connection there. Maybe I can

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figure that out? By asking
around at the conference or

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01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:24,480
something? I mean, it seems like
it would make the the liquidity

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better. Well, yeah.

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Adam Curry: I mean, the it was,
of course, we opened a pipe,

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it's inbound for them. But a
lot, a lot of their stuff will

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01:57:37,260 --> 01:57:39,570
just stay internal. Who knows
how they even you know, if you

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01:57:39,570 --> 01:57:42,270
send from strike while to
strike, while they may have

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01:57:42,270 --> 01:57:44,850
their own ledger, for all I
know, just

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Dave Jones: feels like if
somebody's if somebody's

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listener, app listener wallet is
in strike, and they're boosting

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01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:57,240
to some somewhere else. Like,
yeah, yeah. Or somebody's node?

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01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:59,430
Adam Curry: I think it's, I
think it's the courteous thing

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01:57:59,430 --> 01:58:00,750
to do regardless.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, you would
think so. Find out some more at

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01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:05,160
the conference, we

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01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,920
Adam Curry: can probably we can
just find on one, one mL,

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01:58:07,950 --> 01:58:12,600
whatever. Or M boss. Just find
out what their nodes are and

1785
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:14,550
just open it up. I mean, I'm
sure they have a minimum

1786
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:17,760
requirement, but we could open
10 million sets to them.

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01:58:18,540 --> 01:58:20,640
Dave Jones: And no cash app at
least at one time. When they

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first started doing lightning.
They were really restrictive.

1789
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:28,500
Yeah, well of course couldn't
you couldn't open a channel to

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them without basically without
them knowing about it. Yeah.

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01:58:32,100 --> 01:58:33,480
Well, I'm

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01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:36,450
Adam Curry: happy I'm happy to
do it. But we like being good

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01:58:36,450 --> 01:58:36,990
neighbors.

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01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:39,690
Dave Jones: We do good neighbor
has really good no neighbors.

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01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:41,520
All right. Beautiful.

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01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,130
Adam Curry: Ha almost two hours
on the nose. Brother Dave, thank

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01:58:44,130 --> 01:58:47,760
you so much. Glad to have you
black back and black. Glad to

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01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:51,480
have Vanua Glad to have you here
safely. And back in the

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01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:53,580
boardroom. I really miss talking
to you.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, me too. It was
it was weird being like, it just

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01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:01,260
becomes part of your life and
you're like, Wait a second. I'm

1802
01:59:01,260 --> 01:59:02,940
supposed to be doing something
you are

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01:59:02,940 --> 01:59:06,540
Adam Curry: now officially a
podcaster. That's alright,

1804
01:59:06,540 --> 01:59:08,550
everybody out there in the
boardroom. Thank you very much

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01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:12,360
for tuning in. We'll be back
next Friday live here on

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