1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:05,730 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 For April 5 2024, episode 174 were 2 00:00:05,730 --> 00:00:11,850 nice and frothy. Well, it's Friday once again time for the 3 00:00:11,850 --> 00:00:15,330 board meaning of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening in 4 00:00:15,330 --> 00:00:18,630 podcasting. You don't need any other podcast. You don't need 5 00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:22,290 pod news weekly review you don't need the new media show. Just 6 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:25,830 kidding. It's a nice little agenda Mr. Ford room the only 7 00:00:25,830 --> 00:00:29,040 one that doesn't need an IPO to be public. I'm Adam curry here 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,800 in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in an Alabama ladies 9 00:00:31,860 --> 00:00:35,190 he's the man that can cook your dinner and do your taxes. Say 10 00:00:35,190 --> 00:00:39,180 hello to my friend on the other end the One Only pod sage Mr. De 11 00:00:39,210 --> 00:00:40,320 Jones. 12 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:43,950 Dave Jones: For clarity I can do neither one of those things. 13 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:48,420 Adam Curry: Wait a minute. Yeah, you're the tax guy. 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,750 Dave Jones: No, no, I'm the I'm the guy that helps the guys that 15 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:52,350 do the tax. 16 00:00:53,130 --> 00:00:55,500 Adam Curry: Okay, okay. I gotcha. I gotcha. How you doing 17 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:55,890 brother? 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,150 Dave Jones: I'm good and I cannot believe you made it 19 00:01:00,150 --> 00:01:03,030 through that intro without without some kind of crazy 20 00:01:03,030 --> 00:01:08,310 thing. Coming out of coming out of whatever audio this whatever 21 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:11,910 rig this thing is. Yeah, it is spewing out all kinds of weird 22 00:01:11,910 --> 00:01:14,700 stuff. And I know people were frantically boosting to try to 23 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:16,830 get it to do something weird. Yeah, good luck. 24 00:01:19,170 --> 00:01:21,540 Adam Curry: We will explain exactly why as we bring on our 25 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:24,870 guests in a little bit in a few minutes. Also for everyone, so 26 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:27,780 you know, we are fresh. Good. Fresh. Good on the show. Fresh 27 00:01:27,780 --> 00:01:30,090 good. Fresh, fresh. Oh, 28 00:01:30,090 --> 00:01:31,320 Dave Jones: you got a brand new one. Okay. I 29 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:35,160 Adam Curry: had no idea that I needed to have a fresh Gu ID for 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,960 the live shows. I this was 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,639 Dave Jones: this was a new good drop. 32 00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:44,850 Adam Curry: New good. This wasn't I didn't know I feel 33 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:46,590 dumb. No, no, 34 00:01:47,130 --> 00:01:50,670 Dave Jones: don't don't feel that way. Adam should never feel 35 00:01:50,670 --> 00:01:52,560 that way about yourself. valuable. I 36 00:01:52,559 --> 00:01:54,719 Adam Curry: didn't realize that it you know, it screws up all 37 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:59,159 kinds of things. downstreams it's crazy it 38 00:01:59,249 --> 00:02:02,189 Dave Jones: in, you know, on paper. 39 00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:06,780 Adam Curry: It's just like a space before a value block is on 40 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:08,820 paper. It should be a prom, but it really isn't. 41 00:02:09,179 --> 00:02:12,989 Dave Jones: It's fine. It's, you know, I mean, like, all this 42 00:02:12,989 --> 00:02:16,679 stuff is like that. That's the beauty about right. That's the 43 00:02:16,679 --> 00:02:20,999 beauty and beautiful thing about writing a spec, you already know 44 00:02:21,029 --> 00:02:24,959 that nobody's going to do half of what you say in the spec. So 45 00:02:25,139 --> 00:02:28,859 you write if you if you write that, if you write the spec with 46 00:02:28,859 --> 00:02:34,859 that in mind, then you know what to leave out and what not to be 47 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:38,309 hung up about. You're like, you know, I'm gonna put this in 48 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:40,199 there, but they're probably not going to do it anyway. So, 49 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:43,379 Adam Curry: so when so when you're writing up a spec, say 50 00:02:43,379 --> 00:02:48,269 maybe you're putting something in into into the GitHub for 51 00:02:48,269 --> 00:02:51,479 proposal. Where are you already writing are you so you're 52 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:54,839 already writing down the writing stuff and go like no one's gonna 53 00:02:54,839 --> 00:02:57,209 do this is you have that when you're doing 54 00:03:00,449 --> 00:03:02,399 Dave Jones: it goes further than that. It's not just nobody's 55 00:03:02,399 --> 00:03:05,549 gonna do this. I know exactly. Which ones are not which ones 56 00:03:05,549 --> 00:03:07,199 are not going to do. I'm like, 57 00:03:07,859 --> 00:03:10,409 Adam Curry: oh, you know, you already know why she won't do 58 00:03:10,409 --> 00:03:10,619 it. 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,349 Dave Jones: I'm like Franco will never do this. 60 00:03:15,330 --> 00:03:17,910 Adam Curry: Oh, there you go. Thanks, Franco. Going to keep 61 00:03:17,910 --> 00:03:18,240 him 62 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:20,190 Dave Jones: I love you Franca. 63 00:03:20,250 --> 00:03:22,080 Adam Curry: So a couple of things up front first of all, 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,500 I'm very happy very I'm a happy man. This was a great week 65 00:03:25,950 --> 00:03:29,610 because I had a day off yesterday I did it was weird. It 66 00:03:29,610 --> 00:03:32,310 was and you know, yeah, I had a day off but guess what, you 67 00:03:32,310 --> 00:03:35,910 know, Tina's like let's go do some stuff or get some shopping 68 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:45,570 together Main Street and that is an exact replica for voice no 69 00:03:45,930 --> 00:03:49,350 new media show Todd and Rob were fighting about video again. It 70 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:54,750 was I felt home Yes. I felt ah there we are. It's good. It's 71 00:03:54,750 --> 00:03:58,080 good to be back home now. Beautiful and beautiful thing I 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,530 missed you guys. Although dude, that song they have as the 73 00:04:01,530 --> 00:04:04,020 opener that's not doing it for me. That's 74 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,350 Dave Jones: they this is a fail that just tells 75 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:11,160 Adam Curry: me that AI is is not doing its job which as we know 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,690 from the Amazon walkout store, there's all bogus anyway. How 77 00:04:15,780 --> 00:04:17,130 funny was that story? 78 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,450 Dave Jones: What is cheaper than a GPU? Nvidia GPU 79 00:04:21,570 --> 00:04:22,860 Adam Curry: 1000 Indians 80 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:28,290 Dave Jones: you can get seven or eight Indians for the cost of 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,170 Nvidia 3950 Yeah, 82 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:34,050 Adam Curry: just if you hadn't seen the story, the Amazon is 83 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:39,360 closing its walk out stores. I guess the the the financials 84 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,880 didn't make sense. And as it turns out, and I have no idea 85 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,300 why this was disclosed. It's crazy. That it wasn't really 86 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:48,510 some fancy AI that is tracking every product you put into your 87 00:04:48,510 --> 00:04:53,730 basket and walk out with no it was 1000 Indians. Which sounds 88 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:56,730 kind of derivative to be quite honest. 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,940 Dave Jones: Like, are you a racist? No. 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,900 Adam Curry: Oh, yes, there it is racist. Yeah, no. You mean 91 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:08,790 derogatory? It's like, yeah, all of the above it was 1000 people 92 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:11,010 in India is probably probably 93 00:05:11,010 --> 00:05:13,800 Dave Jones: a better way to say it. 1000 Indians? Yeah, just 94 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:15,990 Adam Curry: it just sounds wrong. I mean, it reduces them 95 00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:19,350 to I don't know, chips I had just doesn't feel good. It 96 00:05:21,150 --> 00:05:26,760 didn't feel right. So, yeah, so the so AI of course, is, is and 97 00:05:26,970 --> 00:05:32,580 companies now raising $50 billion you know, to make it all 98 00:05:32,580 --> 00:05:36,000 work. Don't worry if we can just raise 50 More billion dollars 99 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,610 here are their Don't worry, you'll get your money back. 100 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,500 Promise. Yeah, 101 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:46,740 Dave Jones: this. We, we live in an interesting period of time 102 00:05:46,770 --> 00:05:53,700 where the, it's the free money train went for so long. That now 103 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:57,570 it's, it's been pretty interesting to watch it fall 104 00:05:57,570 --> 00:06:02,490 apart. Because no. Like, there's this psychological thing that 105 00:06:02,490 --> 00:06:05,820 happens where when something goes on, when you go into 106 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:09,030 cycles, you know, you it's like, you get it, you get the boom, 107 00:06:09,030 --> 00:06:13,680 and the bust and the boom and the bust. But then if the boom, 108 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:20,550 if the bus never comes for a long time, for maybe 1015 years, 109 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:24,240 and you don't have the bus, then you kind of you forget that 110 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,650 there's gonna be a bus. Oh, 111 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:27,900 Adam Curry: you know what I was talking with the Vortech about 112 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,810 this who's been around longer than any of us. And so he's seen 113 00:06:30,810 --> 00:06:33,810 these cycles come and go. And he's on he's on board with me 114 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:38,280 like this is this is bullcrap. But anyway, when you have this 115 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:43,680 is the third cycle of of AI. Now we had a couple and then we had 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,430 the AI winter and we will have another AI winter. But he feels 117 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,550 that usually when you go through three, three cycles, then it 118 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:55,140 catches and it will last three to five years. And then you get 119 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:59,370 like a big explosion very similar to the.com bust in 2000. 120 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,380 A mega drop. Yeah. Yeah. Which sounds right to me. You know, 121 00:07:04,380 --> 00:07:08,610 because it feels about because it's so much money in this and, 122 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:12,480 and all these parlor tricks. Oh, look at this image I created. 123 00:07:12,930 --> 00:07:15,870 Oh, look at the song that I created up put it on my podcast 124 00:07:15,870 --> 00:07:19,920 is intro music. You know, it's just like, and it and even just 125 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,220 the incessant how AI is going to fit into podcasting. 126 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,270 Dave Jones: Yeah, like right now. We're not we're not we're 127 00:07:27,270 --> 00:07:32,970 not at like full blown. Descent. We're like 20 degrees down 128 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:33,480 bubble. 129 00:07:34,110 --> 00:07:36,780 Adam Curry: We were headed 20 degree bubble. I 130 00:07:36,780 --> 00:07:40,440 Dave Jones: like that. Yeah, we're like headed down at a slow 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,400 pace. In the we're in. It's causing all sorts of like weird 132 00:07:44,670 --> 00:07:50,400 things to happen. You're getting like, Did you did you see we 133 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,350 hadn't really talked about this. I don't think last week. But did 134 00:07:52,350 --> 00:07:58,080 you see that kit piece on Andrew Huberman? Yeah, I 135 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,990 Adam Curry: don't really. I didn't really I saw it. But I 136 00:08:00,990 --> 00:08:04,320 didn't really get I don't really care. It was the New Yorker 137 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,300 magazine, I think. Yeah. 138 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:10,140 Dave Jones: And I don't I don't really care. I don't really care 139 00:08:10,140 --> 00:08:13,410 that much, either. But I did. I did read it because I saw a 140 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:17,070 couple of references to it. This sounded like it was there might 141 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:20,160 be a couple of intriguing things in there that I generally don't 142 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,560 go in for, you know, for just a clear sort of hit pieces. 143 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Whether they're true or not, I just don't know does not 144 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,630 entertaining to me. But, but I did read it. It is a very long 145 00:08:33,630 --> 00:08:39,630 piece. And it's very odd. And what I mean, I don't mean the 146 00:08:39,810 --> 00:08:47,760 content. I mean, like, so this this piece was like, every 147 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,800 paragraph took this form. Look at how horrible Andrew Haberman 148 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,640 is because here's all these things that a former girlfriend 149 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:02,580 said about him. But we contacted him and his spokesperson said 150 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:04,110 that all of these things are not true. 151 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:06,840 Adam Curry: And so we published it right away. 152 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,820 Dave Jones: Dude, every paragraph was, here's what 153 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:15,960 happened. And here's the response from his from from his 154 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,510 people. Here's what happened. Here's the response from his 155 00:09:18,510 --> 00:09:23,190 people. I've never seen an error like this is weird. And I guess 156 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:26,610 the reason I'm bringing this up is because like, of course like 157 00:09:26,610 --> 00:09:29,190 when you get popular you're gonna get targeted and we will I 158 00:09:29,190 --> 00:09:33,030 mean this is just a thing. And all the stuff in it may be true. 159 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:36,690 I mean, what what I want my daughter to date Andrew Haberman 160 00:09:36,690 --> 00:09:40,860 No, but I'm just saying that like we live in like this weird 161 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:45,540 Doc's culture where we're trying to like out we're journalism is 162 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:49,740 trying to like get a get the nasty scoop on everybody. And 163 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:53,940 now that the sort of the podcast winner has said in and people 164 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,900 aren't making as much money and the and the advertising is like 165 00:09:57,990 --> 00:10:02,310 on a weekly basis showing the bacon pleat fraud. You started 166 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:05,850 to get like a crack gets in the you know, the door gets a crack 167 00:10:05,850 --> 00:10:08,970 in it and then the hit pieces just you shove their foot in the 168 00:10:08,970 --> 00:10:11,340 door. Yeah, it's been, it's entertaining to watch 169 00:10:11,910 --> 00:10:15,180 Adam Curry: what I find. So I'd like to remind everybody of 170 00:10:15,180 --> 00:10:18,750 this, you know, the, the idea of growing your show 10,000 171 00:10:18,750 --> 00:10:22,890 downloads, get advertising, but people forget in all this. It's 172 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:26,190 like, it's not like some magic bullet that AI is going to 173 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:31,230 deliver. Or, you know, discovery is going to deliver, you have to 174 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:36,270 have a good product. That's the thing that is rarely discussed 175 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,570 without it. I mean, we saw this cycle in blogging. Oh, yeah. 176 00:10:39,570 --> 00:10:45,810 Just start a blog make money. Yeah, no, no, no, you have to 177 00:10:45,810 --> 00:10:49,860 build audience and and of course, you know, by found that 178 00:10:49,950 --> 00:10:54,660 with podcasting, getting your audience involved. If I was 179 00:10:54,660 --> 00:10:58,200 talking to a guy, very interesting guy, he has a 180 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,980 regenerative beef based dog treats brand that He's 181 00:11:01,980 --> 00:11:08,430 launching. And, as well and I actually met him in Bluffton, 182 00:11:08,430 --> 00:11:12,330 Georgia, when I went to a beef initiative, mini meet up, you 183 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:17,370 know, like those Texas slim stuff. And that's a year or so 184 00:11:17,370 --> 00:11:21,840 ago. Yeah, in fact, I did the show from there, I think. And so 185 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,170 that's will Harris white oak pastures very well known. A lot 186 00:11:25,170 --> 00:11:27,780 of people buy beef from him, he has his own processing plant. 187 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:30,870 And this I met this guy, and he was and he was talking to will 188 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:33,480 and will says, you know, this guy's he's onto something here 189 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,720 because they throw a lot of strip meat away. And there's a 190 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,830 lot of stuff that just doesn't isn't sold to humans. And this 191 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:44,280 guy took that and he's processing it as in freeze 192 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,210 drying, etc. And he's turning it into hair, very healthy snacks 193 00:11:48,210 --> 00:11:53,910 for dogs. And so he he gets through my filters somehow, 194 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:55,950 maybe probably because I met him and he comes out to 195 00:11:55,950 --> 00:11:59,190 Fredericksburg, which you know, and he's from Colorado. So he 196 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:01,650 flew to Austin. And he may have had some other meetings, but he 197 00:12:01,650 --> 00:12:05,070 drives us on half drive. So I'll meet with anybody who's really 198 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:08,850 going to drive out to see me. And oh, yeah, before too long is 199 00:12:08,850 --> 00:12:13,710 like hey, you know, can you get me to Joe Rogan's? Oh, man, 200 00:12:13,740 --> 00:12:17,880 however, as we were talking, I said, you know, man, I have a 201 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:23,160 thought here. Why don't you if there's something about this and 202 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,950 this product specifically, and it's a good product, I've tried 203 00:12:25,950 --> 00:12:30,690 it on Phoebe, she likes it. And it's healthy. It's his Phoebe 204 00:12:30,690 --> 00:12:35,400 approved. I said, What if you turn this on? It's on his head. 205 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:40,380 Instead of going to podcast buying CPMs you know, all the 206 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:44,580 all the same old tired stuff for buying a network run of network? 207 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,080 Why don't you play me? Let 208 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,030 Dave Jones: me let me let me guess what I'm what you're gonna 209 00:12:48,030 --> 00:12:54,090 say, Okay. Instead of making treats for dogs, you make treats 210 00:12:54,090 --> 00:12:55,740 for humans out of dogs? 211 00:12:56,940 --> 00:12:59,550 Adam Curry: Damn, that's my next idea. That's a big one. I like 212 00:12:59,550 --> 00:13:03,870 that. Yes, it's called Soylent Green for dogs? Exactly. Yes. 213 00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:09,330 Yes. No. I said, Why don't you become the Podcast Network? Why 214 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:12,990 not? Why don't you make your brand, the podcast network, and 215 00:13:12,990 --> 00:13:18,030 you invite people in. And the whole idea is, it's a social, 216 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:22,920 it's a social thing, where the idea is to have the audience's 217 00:13:22,950 --> 00:13:26,700 of these podcasters do stuff to compete. And you know, you can 218 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:31,350 do contests, you can, you know, pretty dog picture, you name it, 219 00:13:31,650 --> 00:13:34,980 and flip it on its head. So you don't have to go for all these 220 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:38,790 huge give me the biggest podcasters that I can and don't 221 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:42,990 buy ad reads. You know, they have, you know, it would be 222 00:13:42,990 --> 00:13:46,650 direct inquiry. So you track it. If someone sells product, then 223 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:50,880 great. Give them some stipend to keep them as a part of it and 224 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,420 get the get the lower ones that have 5000 people listening, I 225 00:13:54,420 --> 00:13:56,550 don't even know if downloads counts, but you have smaller 226 00:13:56,550 --> 00:14:00,510 audiences and get a couple 1000 people to buy, buy your product. 227 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,830 And it hasn't been fleshed out yet. But I'm like there's 228 00:14:04,830 --> 00:14:07,980 something there. There's something that can change. I've 229 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:10,470 always looked, I'm always looking to change the way 230 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:13,050 advertising is done in podcasting, because what we're 231 00:14:13,050 --> 00:14:17,370 doing now, it's a dead end. It's just a dead end. It's not going 232 00:14:17,370 --> 00:14:21,840 anywhere. Anyway, so that yeah, that to say that, you know, 233 00:14:21,870 --> 00:14:26,130 it's, you have a great product. I think a great product is when 234 00:14:26,130 --> 00:14:29,850 you have great interaction with your audience, who I who I like 235 00:14:29,850 --> 00:14:32,970 to call producers for no agenda. In this case, its board members, 236 00:14:32,970 --> 00:14:35,430 they're all there in the chat room. You hear the Pew Pew is 237 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:38,670 going on and on and on. I mean, that's literal interaction, 238 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,820 literal interaction with the audience. And we'll get to that 239 00:14:41,820 --> 00:14:44,160 in a moment because there's reasons for it. But before that, 240 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:50,280 I would like to make a plea and suggestion. The more I think 241 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,950 about what we talked about last week about using the social 242 00:14:52,950 --> 00:14:58,050 interact tag as the base layer for activity pub interaction 243 00:14:58,050 --> 00:15:02,160 between apps which is a fancy way of saying cross app 244 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:08,640 comments. The more I like it, we could be a decentralized 245 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:15,360 platform, that would be formidable and the only way to, 246 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:20,940 to you have to participate in order to keep up. Because then 247 00:15:20,940 --> 00:15:24,990 all of a sudden, you know, forget the comments part, I just 248 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:27,150 I don't know what to eat, it seems common seems like the 249 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:29,580 easiest to implement, since we've already done a lot of 250 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:35,370 work. And I see it working on podcasts, index.org. Reviews, 251 00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:39,900 five stars likes all this stuff. You know, now you have to go to 252 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:44,430 Spotify, you have to be I guess you can leave a star rating on 253 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:49,110 Spotify or on boron, Apple, you know, that make it make it one 254 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:52,530 in whatever app you're using, and make that immediately ping 255 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:56,070 across all the apps, all the apps can start highlighting 256 00:15:56,070 --> 00:15:59,010 things that they see that they see trending based upon the 257 00:15:59,010 --> 00:16:02,640 people that are listening to certain podcasts in their app. 258 00:16:02,970 --> 00:16:07,860 It's so powerful. I mean, I just I get goosebumps thinking about 259 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:12,330 how powerful we would be as a group. And literally all you 260 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:15,870 know, the tide lifts all the boats in this case. Now we know 261 00:16:15,870 --> 00:16:17,760 Franco will never do it, but I'm just saying. 262 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:26,550 Dave Jones: It's funny ESA, you mentioned that there was a I was 263 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:30,690 having a thought I was just trying to envision over the past 264 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:35,550 few days, what a like a boost verb would look like. And just, 265 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,480 it could be anything, it could be a like, or a star rating or 266 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,570 whatever. But I was just trying to think of that in my head. 267 00:16:42,570 --> 00:16:46,530 What? Because that's an action too. Yeah, I mean, you're not 268 00:16:46,530 --> 00:16:49,020 you're not just following you know, you'd follow up podcast 269 00:16:49,020 --> 00:16:50,520 you like a podcast. 270 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:56,790 Adam Curry: Although I find that a little confusing to you. I 271 00:16:56,790 --> 00:17:04,380 personally prefer to not confuse booster grams with although How 272 00:17:04,380 --> 00:17:09,030 about if you just do to boost verb and a streaming verb? Ie I 273 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:13,140 stream 200 sets per minute, or I boosted this amount without the 274 00:17:13,170 --> 00:17:16,770 without the comment part. I'm just trying to separate those 275 00:17:16,770 --> 00:17:18,840 two because I think that's very confusing. 276 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,840 Dave Jones: Yeah, I mean, number one, we need this is this feels 277 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:31,200 so wrong to have a almost it's as such as consistent discussion 278 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,590 about activity pub every week without a jingle to didn't 279 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:38,280 delineate where this you know, when we're doing this, and when 280 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,060 we're not. We don't have any hot hot activity pub talk jingle, 281 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:42,900 and it's bothering me. 282 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Adam Curry: Well, I do I do. I do have this, if it helps. 283 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,340 Dave Jones: That does help. Yeah, helps 284 00:17:56,340 --> 00:17:58,470 Adam Curry: it it's not exactly what we want. But it helps, it 285 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:59,490 helps. It's close. 286 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,620 Dave Jones: It's almost there. It is. So number two, like, I 287 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:08,310 think I chose the boost. In mentally I think I chose boost 288 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:14,190 for that reason, because it's a little confusing, okay, because 289 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,200 I was thumbing through this. Yeah. And I was like, well lit. 290 00:18:19,380 --> 00:18:24,480 Why watch us the easy stuff like a like, I mean, that's good. We 291 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,210 already everybody knows how to do all that already. But what 292 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:33,120 would it? Because if you let me, let me let me kind of reset 293 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:38,940 here. I guess my thought is, if if we're describing an activity 294 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:49,770 pub vocabulary for things that happen to interact with a when 295 00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:53,190 people or bots or whoever interact with a podcast, or even 296 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:56,130 when podcasts interact with other podcasts, if we're 297 00:18:56,130 --> 00:19:04,410 describing a vocabulary of specifically verbs? Will you 298 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:09,000 have to think about which ones will and will not work? So 299 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,020 which, which of the things we do now, when it comes to podcasts? 300 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:17,310 or do any of those just not work as verbs? And I was like, Okay, 301 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:20,760 well, what do you what do you do with a podcast? You, you play a 302 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:26,400 podcast, you boost a podcast, you download a podcast, I'm 303 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,440 just, I mean, none of these. Some of these don't apply, but 304 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,990 I'm just thinking through all of the things that or actions that 305 00:19:30,990 --> 00:19:38,730 you do to a podcast. And boost. I'm like, Is that does that 306 00:19:38,730 --> 00:19:42,180 work? You know, just kind of sitting through that. I'm like, 307 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:45,180 Well, I don't know. I mean, what would that what would that be? 308 00:19:45,180 --> 00:19:52,290 It's not like you can't send you can't send sets through the 309 00:19:52,290 --> 00:19:56,160 message itself, but you could do it all out of band and then send 310 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,970 a proof of payment, maybe well, you know, I'm 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Adam Curry: I want something that everybody can participate 312 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,730 in and you don't. Okay, two things. One is confusing. What 313 00:20:08,730 --> 00:20:11,490 is a comment? What is a play? What is a boost? I understand 314 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:16,470 what you're saying. But not every app has V four V in it. 315 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:18,570 And I don't want it to seem like, well, I can't really 316 00:20:18,570 --> 00:20:22,470 participate because I don't have boosts in my app. And it 317 00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:26,880 immediately makes people you know, the detractors go, there. 318 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,390 They are the crypto boys where I would prefer something that 319 00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:33,990 everybody gets comments, and we have already done so much work. 320 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:34,680 No, 321 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,940 Dave Jones: I totally agree with all this is not. We're not We're 322 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:41,970 not on different sides here. Okay. I guess the only reason I 323 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:47,550 brought it up was because I wanted to, to choose. And you're 324 00:20:47,550 --> 00:20:50,580 right. I mean, the the anti crypto stuff gets kicked up 325 00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:55,740 every time. But this really was a first thought because I was 326 00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:59,700 thinking, do all of these things that we do to podcast? Do these 327 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:03,240 all work as activity pub because I think we need to think through 328 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:14,010 these things. And say, which, which actions in which actions 329 00:21:14,010 --> 00:21:21,150 are actually usable as verbs in an activity pub scenario? We see 330 00:21:21,150 --> 00:21:21,840 what I mean, no, 331 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:24,239 Adam Curry: I understand what you're saying. I'm, I'm not 332 00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:26,699 looking at from an activity pub scenario. I'm looking at it, 333 00:21:26,699 --> 00:21:30,419 what do you want to work on one app that shows up on the other 334 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:34,529 apps? The two things that I can think of are comments and 335 00:21:34,529 --> 00:21:38,219 ratings, though, because comments will become reviews 336 00:21:38,219 --> 00:21:41,399 kind of by themselves via a review of an episode or review 337 00:21:41,399 --> 00:21:44,369 of a show, etc. Just whatever someone comments is always it's 338 00:21:44,369 --> 00:21:47,699 always kind of a review, a comment about about that 339 00:21:47,699 --> 00:21:53,549 particular entity, that item. But imagine ratings of Matt, you 340 00:21:53,549 --> 00:21:56,939 know, maybe it's just, you know, it's just a five star selection, 341 00:21:56,939 --> 00:21:59,219 whatever it is, it's the stuff that people already do. 342 00:21:59,309 --> 00:22:02,489 podcasters are already saying, hey, hey, would you please go 343 00:22:02,489 --> 00:22:05,369 over to Apple, and please leave me a review and rate the 344 00:22:05,369 --> 00:22:08,939 podcast. I mean, this is this is something that people already do 345 00:22:08,939 --> 00:22:13,769 and all the other ones. I mean, it literally is this, it's blue 346 00:22:13,769 --> 00:22:18,989 sky, man blue sky all the way for this. And here's what I was 347 00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:24,689 thinking just to move it along. The I be happy, I don't know if 348 00:22:24,689 --> 00:22:29,579 this helps anybody. But I would be happy to host an if I have to 349 00:22:29,579 --> 00:22:37,229 moderate IE, kickoff spammers to set up an instance that the app 350 00:22:37,289 --> 00:22:40,379 devs can use. So they wouldn't have to deal with this stuff. 351 00:22:40,499 --> 00:22:47,759 For people who don't have. You know, for people who don't, who 352 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:52,709 don't have an account on the, on the fediverse your users who 353 00:22:52,709 --> 00:22:59,099 don't have an account, if you need a quick sign up place for 354 00:22:59,099 --> 00:23:02,399 your users. And in essence, you're thinking they never even 355 00:23:02,399 --> 00:23:05,159 see that because they're they're looking, they don't even know 356 00:23:05,159 --> 00:23:07,709 that it's, you know, what's happening in the background, 357 00:23:07,709 --> 00:23:10,979 they just need to surface it in the app, I'm happy to host an 358 00:23:10,979 --> 00:23:14,939 instance. You know, you have a separate invite link for your 359 00:23:14,939 --> 00:23:18,809 users. So you know, not not everybody would try to keep the 360 00:23:18,809 --> 00:23:22,199 junk out of it. Basically. If, if that's something that's 361 00:23:22,199 --> 00:23:26,399 needed to kickstart this, I'm happy to do that. I know a lot 362 00:23:26,399 --> 00:23:33,179 about, you know, managing a mastodon instance, if that would 363 00:23:33,179 --> 00:23:37,679 help to get it going. I'm happy to do that. I don't know if that 364 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:38,789 makes any sense or not. 365 00:23:39,299 --> 00:23:44,369 Dave Jones: Yeah, no, it does, I guess, at this part of me wants 366 00:23:44,369 --> 00:23:48,749 to say no, that we shouldn't did that, that we shouldn't do that, 367 00:23:48,749 --> 00:23:55,349 because that's kind of a crutch, okay? Because it's easy to just 368 00:23:56,819 --> 00:24:02,309 sort of offload some of these things on to other services. And 369 00:24:02,309 --> 00:24:07,049 then you end up with you know, with a single point of failure, 370 00:24:07,589 --> 00:24:10,829 and a lot of depend a lot of dependency. And whereas if this 371 00:24:10,829 --> 00:24:16,409 thing, if this idea is going to work, in general, and the idea 372 00:24:16,409 --> 00:24:21,839 being a marriage of activity, pub and podcast and RSS based 373 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:26,639 podcasting, it really needs to work from the beat from the very 374 00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:31,019 beginning, where everybody is doing. Everybody is 375 00:24:31,019 --> 00:24:34,919 participating as an actor fully right up within their own, you 376 00:24:34,919 --> 00:24:37,709 know, it doesn't mean there can't be helper services that do 377 00:24:37,709 --> 00:24:40,589 a look that come along and say, Okay, well, I'm going to use 378 00:24:40,589 --> 00:24:45,329 this service me. Here's, I'm afraid of becoming dependent on 379 00:24:45,329 --> 00:24:48,989 us on a central third party service the way that we if we're 380 00:24:48,989 --> 00:24:50,459 gonna be dependent upon Alby 381 00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:54,540 Adam Curry: I'm with you, I got you. I'm with you in in Yeah. 382 00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:59,730 So. So let me say this, then, let me say this about that. If 383 00:24:59,820 --> 00:25:03,960 you If, I mean, the main thing that that developers always 384 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,500 need, this is what I learned early on, developers always need 385 00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:11,340 stuff to be flowing through it. It's very tough. If you know 386 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:13,890 like, I'm gonna build all this great podcast stuff, but there's 387 00:25:13,890 --> 00:25:16,320 nothing really out there that's publishing it, which 388 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,019 Dave Jones: is why write to a spec in a vacuum. Exactly. 389 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,540 Adam Curry: The no agenda show has been publishing socially 390 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:27,150 interact tags, since its inception, almost since its 391 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:31,470 inception. In fact, I think we incepted part of it, every 392 00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:34,410 podcast that I do this one as well, but the no agenda show is 393 00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:40,560 a big podcast. And, and 1000s 1000s of very active 394 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,080 listeners, post comments, when I post the social interact route 395 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,060 post, you can see that at podcast index.org, and it 396 00:25:51,060 --> 00:25:54,330 threads beautifully, and it works beautifully. So out of the 397 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:58,650 gate and beyond, I would promote any apps that are doing this, if 398 00:25:58,650 --> 00:26:01,710 you if you're putting that in there, you're on high rotation 399 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:02,190 with me. 400 00:26:03,539 --> 00:26:04,589 Dave Jones: Oh, high rotation? 401 00:26:04,589 --> 00:26:08,399 Adam Curry: Yeah, of course. You know, I will promote the crap 402 00:26:08,399 --> 00:26:10,949 out of your apps to make sure that people use it. And I'll say 403 00:26:10,949 --> 00:26:13,439 check this out. And you can also see it on that. I mean, I will 404 00:26:13,439 --> 00:26:17,579 do everything I can to move this forward. Because it is it is 405 00:26:17,579 --> 00:26:21,209 good for everybody. It is something that that the big the 406 00:26:21,209 --> 00:26:25,469 so called big players won't be able to participate in. They 407 00:26:25,469 --> 00:26:32,429 can't. But it is such a huge, unique selling proposition for 408 00:26:32,429 --> 00:26:36,179 the independent apps. And let's face it, the apps are coming to 409 00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:39,209 where we are we've got Pocket Casts now saying that they're 410 00:26:39,209 --> 00:26:42,449 going to implement the the chapters. 411 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:46,080 Dave Jones: That was a big Yeah, I was super excited to see them 412 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,340 actually doing some movement. 413 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:50,369 Adam Curry: From what I understand pod bean of all pod 414 00:26:50,369 --> 00:26:55,829 bean is now implementing value for value with with streaming 415 00:26:55,829 --> 00:26:58,979 SATs. This has happened to get people this has happened. 416 00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:02,730 Dave Jones: And there's another there's another person that I've 417 00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:04,710 been talking to that you know about that we can't really 418 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:08,580 discuss yet that is also doing some pretty cool stuff. We're 419 00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:10,620 about to release some pretty cool stuff with chapters. 420 00:27:11,910 --> 00:27:14,190 There's Yeah, it's okay Todd there's motion. 421 00:27:17,849 --> 00:27:21,329 Adam Curry: But also value for value music is catching on, 422 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,749 artists are starting to understand what's happening. 423 00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:29,879 They're starting to see payments showing up in their in their 424 00:27:29,879 --> 00:27:33,659 wallets. And it says you know, you got this from booster gram 425 00:27:33,659 --> 00:27:37,349 ball or homegrown hits and, and they're starting to they don't 426 00:27:37,349 --> 00:27:40,619 really understand what's going on. And by the way, thank you 427 00:27:40,619 --> 00:27:43,949 Chad F is one of the people who promotes the heck out of that, 428 00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:47,939 you know, a lot of these artists are kind of stuck on noster. And 429 00:27:47,939 --> 00:27:50,369 they're like looking for zaps. And they you know, they don't 430 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:53,009 know what's going on. It takes a while to wrap your head around 431 00:27:53,009 --> 00:27:56,429 this stuff. And now they're starting to say well wait, hold 432 00:27:56,429 --> 00:27:59,939 on a second. This is coming from a musical me he listened to the 433 00:27:59,939 --> 00:28:02,999 show, and they're telling other artists exactly the way it 434 00:28:02,999 --> 00:28:07,709 should work. This stuff is happening is happening. And now. 435 00:28:08,429 --> 00:28:12,269 It's it's a bit by bit and then all of a sudden that you'll see 436 00:28:12,419 --> 00:28:16,199 it starts to snowball, and it goes real fast. Particularly 437 00:28:16,199 --> 00:28:19,259 when people start paying attention to the namespace. What 438 00:28:19,259 --> 00:28:22,589 else is in there? Developers love this stuff. Oh, what else? 439 00:28:22,589 --> 00:28:26,309 What else is in that? In that namespace spec? I know that's 440 00:28:26,309 --> 00:28:29,939 how it works. Oh, this cotton This people are publishing 441 00:28:29,939 --> 00:28:33,839 content by the hundreds of 1000s Oh, well. Let me add that to our 442 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,829 app as well. It's inevitable. So it's all really really good. I 443 00:28:37,829 --> 00:28:43,049 would just like to stay one step ahead. And get everybody ready 444 00:28:43,049 --> 00:28:49,769 because most of the activity pub I'm sold on it I mean I am so so 445 00:28:49,769 --> 00:28:52,859 it took me a while but I'm so this is this is the way forward. 446 00:28:52,889 --> 00:28:56,819 It's beautiful. And I understand it's daunting and it's 447 00:28:56,819 --> 00:28:59,879 confusing, but it's worth spending a weekend just diving 448 00:28:59,879 --> 00:29:04,319 in and see if you can figure out how it works in your framework 449 00:29:04,349 --> 00:29:06,659 in your in your application. 450 00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:10,920 Dave Jones: Yeah, we're we're gonna have we're gonna have Sam 451 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,560 on and I'm sure you'll have a lot of ideas about this too and 452 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:22,770 then as soon but I just I want there to be I guess the reason 453 00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:27,570 I'm thinking this through so much and is that you could end 454 00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:30,450 up if you don't if you're not careful, you could end up with 455 00:29:30,450 --> 00:29:35,610 like a chair you could end up with like chair pants. Have you 456 00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:36,360 seen chair pan? 457 00:29:36,539 --> 00:29:40,049 Adam Curry: No. To explain chair pants. Chair 458 00:29:40,049 --> 00:29:43,949 Dave Jones: pants are like these stupid pants that are have like 459 00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:48,269 a frame built into them where you can just basically at any 460 00:29:48,269 --> 00:29:51,269 moment you can just sit down and it becomes 461 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:55,739 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. Okay. No, I think we're gonna have 100,000 462 00:29:55,739 --> 00:29:58,439 of them in Fredericksburg for the Eclipse. Yes. 463 00:29:59,549 --> 00:30:04,289 Dave Jones: It's It's like, it's a does it? Does it function? 464 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:09,599 Yes. Is it a good idea? No, it's dumb. Right? So like, there's a, 465 00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:12,719 there's this point you get to, I get to this point in the with 466 00:30:12,719 --> 00:30:17,429 the activity pub bridge, where I was like, Okay, I was like, 467 00:30:17,459 --> 00:30:19,739 alright, alright, I got, what do you want to do you want to 468 00:30:19,739 --> 00:30:27,299 follow? Okay, got that. You want to get notified? You know, which 469 00:30:27,299 --> 00:30:29,639 is getting notified of new episodes. Alright, guys got 470 00:30:29,639 --> 00:30:36,359 that. Am I okay? What else? I don't know. 471 00:30:37,589 --> 00:30:41,189 Adam Curry: I could couldn't Oh, no, I think of Oh, yeah, no, I 472 00:30:41,189 --> 00:30:44,219 think I think there's plenty. And, you know, it's almost like 473 00:30:44,219 --> 00:30:46,589 the hashtag. You know, the hashtag wasn't invented by 474 00:30:46,589 --> 00:30:49,319 Twitter. The hashtag was invented by the users of 475 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,279 Twitter. Yeah. So these things will present themselves, I 476 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:53,549 think. 477 00:30:54,299 --> 00:30:56,729 Dave Jones: Because, because I can think I could think up like 478 00:30:56,729 --> 00:30:59,459 10 or 12 different things in a minute. And they were all like, 479 00:30:59,729 --> 00:31:04,469 less goofy. I mean, like, yeah, it would work. But nobody's this 480 00:31:04,469 --> 00:31:08,129 is gonna be like this little thing that nobody cares about. 481 00:31:08,129 --> 00:31:12,629 And I just don't want a bunch of, I just don't want to bundle 482 00:31:12,659 --> 00:31:15,419 a bunch of cheer pants running around the podcast. We're in a 483 00:31:15,419 --> 00:31:18,689 2.0 world where everybody's like, yeah, that's weird. 484 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,150 Adam Curry: Well, comments are not weird. 485 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,290 Dave Jones: No, no. And then we and we, that already works. 486 00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:26,250 Right? 487 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:29,820 Adam Curry: But I still have we're three years later. And I'm 488 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:32,760 still pleading. And I think we've solved most of the issues, 489 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,530 the users are there, the moderation is there. The quote 490 00:31:37,530 --> 00:31:40,770 unquote, control is there, the infrastructure is there, the 491 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:44,340 infrastructure has been tested. It's been stress tested, more 492 00:31:44,340 --> 00:31:50,700 and more. platforms and devices and things are being connected 493 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:55,680 to the fediverse. It's an obvious place for podcasting to 494 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,840 be and no one else can do it. But us. 495 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,090 Dave Jones: I mean, it's, it's there, he gave some that people 496 00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:09,330 just have added developers just got to get to the point where I 497 00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:12,150 guess where they ran, where they don't have more important things 498 00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:14,280 on their list. And they didn't do that. I guess. I don't know. 499 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:16,470 I don't know. I don't know what 500 00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:17,790 Adam Curry: defeatist 501 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,260 Dave Jones: is, but I don't know what there's nothing else to do. 502 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,910 You know, what I mean, with with the comments, like comments is, 503 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,310 it's just, it's right there. I can't like we can't make people 504 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:34,050 do it. That's the that's the 505 00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:36,510 Adam Curry: thing. Oh, I know, all the tech is there, right. 506 00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:40,110 But that's why I'll just keep talking about it. It's the 507 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:43,590 Dave Jones: easiest one, it's the easiest part. Because 508 00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:46,320 because it's all you don't there's no you don't have to do 509 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,260 new activity pub objects. You don't have to get standard us 510 00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:53,160 some new schema. All the comments are just like the 511 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,790 ability to post a note object with activity Pub is so simple. 512 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,790 There's not even a following that has to happen. I mean, you 513 00:33:02,790 --> 00:33:08,100 just posted it's just like so easy in there. Nobody's doing 514 00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:12,510 this. I don't know. Well, 515 00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:15,450 Adam Curry: there you go. That's it. Well, I was very excited. 516 00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:16,770 Now I'm just all depressed. 517 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:19,470 Dave Jones: I just crapped all over everything. I'm sorry. 518 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,390 Adam Curry: Okay, these pupils are driving me crazy. We have to 519 00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:29,100 explain what's going on there is our guest today is so famous. He 520 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,460 basically has a one night he goes by one name like Madonna or 521 00:33:32,460 --> 00:33:35,550 prince. He is the prince of podcasting. The Prince of 522 00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:38,400 podcasts music ladies and gentlemen. We'd like to welcome 523 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,610 to the boardroom. The one the only you've heard of him you've 524 00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:45,780 never will have you really heard him his voice my Yeah, but this 525 00:33:45,780 --> 00:33:48,960 is the first time in the boardroom. Please say hello to 526 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,070 blueberry. 527 00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:53,339 Boobury: If you want to get really technical it is it's a 528 00:33:53,339 --> 00:33:57,059 Sobey blueberry moth man at the mini pocalypse freak of Hazzard 529 00:33:57,059 --> 00:33:58,409 in the horror of Yag 530 00:33:58,769 --> 00:34:00,629 Adam Curry: now there's a show title for you right there 531 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:08,010 Dave Jones: it wasn't my character limit blueberry was 532 00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:09,660 what what what 533 00:34:09,659 --> 00:34:12,569 Adam Curry: are you on on ring today? Yeah, why are we hearing 534 00:34:12,569 --> 00:34:15,899 all these these sounds and stuff what exactly is going on in the 535 00:34:15,899 --> 00:34:16,799 background here? 536 00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:19,710 Boobury: I'm pretty sure that's coming from Dave if he's got the 537 00:34:19,710 --> 00:34:22,740 booth scoreboard open he would need to mute that now it's 538 00:34:22,739 --> 00:34:25,499 Adam Curry: me I have it open I have it open but 539 00:34:25,499 --> 00:34:28,169 Boobury: it's still it's still playing the pews sound because 540 00:34:28,169 --> 00:34:32,249 I've got pretty much everything on lockdown except for IR off 541 00:34:32,249 --> 00:34:35,219 any tests and stuff like in the in the 542 00:34:35,939 --> 00:34:38,339 Dave Jones: back in a me because my stuff can't come back through 543 00:34:38,339 --> 00:34:41,249 the streams. No, I'm deficient. 544 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,410 Adam Curry: I have I have the scoreboard open here and then I 545 00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:50,550 haven't heard any other sounds and the pew pew I don't know. I 546 00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:54,360 don't know why should it be should I be getting other 547 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:54,870 sounds? 548 00:34:54,899 --> 00:34:56,969 Boobury: I don't know how half this stuff works. Okay. 549 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,529 Dave Jones: All right. Well, maybe we should tell everybody 550 00:35:01,529 --> 00:35:04,469 where to go though if they want to follow along, right? This 551 00:35:05,189 --> 00:35:05,699 would 552 00:35:06,359 --> 00:35:12,479 Boobury: it scoreboard dash beta dash flax dot versal dot app. Is 553 00:35:12,479 --> 00:35:17,159 the scoreboard that Eric PP is coded up for us. Why 554 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,590 Adam Curry: don't you open up your open up your sounds? 555 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,050 Boobury: I do have a moment. 556 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,830 Adam Curry: All I'm hearing is peers. I'm not hearing the crazy 557 00:35:25,830 --> 00:35:29,340 now I'm going to close mine. I'm pretty sure because what's 558 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:33,600 happening what I understand is that the way this is all rigged 559 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,980 up, and of course I have blueberry, there you go. That's 560 00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:42,900 the first time I heard. Can you lower the level just a little 561 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:50,040 bit though? Oh, yeah, I gotcha. Is, is he has has I don't know 562 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,450 who but what's been rigged up is a boosting scoreboard. So 563 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:59,250 imagine you're looking at asteroids or space invaders and 564 00:35:59,250 --> 00:35:59,550 you're kind of 565 00:35:59,549 --> 00:36:03,509 Boobury: like Galaga Galaga was the inspiration for it. So as 566 00:36:03,509 --> 00:36:07,139 far as like the star pixels in the background, the red and 567 00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:08,969 yellow, cyan and white. 568 00:36:09,269 --> 00:36:12,839 Adam Curry: So it's a public. It's a public page that shows 569 00:36:12,869 --> 00:36:18,389 who is boosting. If you boost special amounts, it triggers a 570 00:36:18,389 --> 00:36:24,509 special sound. Which and I don't know what they are, but we'll 571 00:36:24,509 --> 00:36:29,039 hear them as as we move along. And then it so right now it just 572 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,699 said Dobie das boosted 5000 SATs from fountain I want to be on 573 00:36:32,699 --> 00:36:36,629 the scoreboard. So that just popped up on the screen. And 574 00:36:36,659 --> 00:36:40,829 then it goes back to the to the it's like a top score. And the 575 00:36:40,829 --> 00:36:44,009 app that apps that have that have been boosted from it's a 576 00:36:44,009 --> 00:36:47,489 beautiful idea. i This is so cool to watch. 577 00:36:48,449 --> 00:36:51,749 Boobury: Yeah, pretty much just threw together a mock up in 578 00:36:51,749 --> 00:36:55,169 Photoshop and send it out to a couple of people to see if 579 00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:58,079 there's anybody that'd be willing to get it coded up for 580 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,009 us. And we're actually planning on projecting that at the venue 581 00:37:02,009 --> 00:37:03,869 tomorrow on the wall. Okay, 582 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:05,820 Adam Curry: so first, tell us a little bit about yourself, man 583 00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:07,950 to people to give us your background how you got involved 584 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:12,000 in 2.0 in the music stuff, so we just have so people who are just 585 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,940 tuning in don't think what what what have I fallen into? 586 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:21,060 Boobury: Ah, well, back in 2010, started going to college for 587 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,460 theater. And then graduated, started touring did Disney on 588 00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:28,560 Ice for a couple of years works in theme park. 589 00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:31,470 Adam Curry: Now were you skating or did you do other things? 590 00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:36,750 Boobury: No, I was an electrician for the for the 591 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:37,170 tour. 592 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,670 Adam Curry: Okay. All right. That would be 593 00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:39,450 Boobury: a pretty funny sight, 594 00:37:39,449 --> 00:37:42,629 Adam Curry: but I don't know. I mean, I think everybody knows. 595 00:37:43,379 --> 00:37:43,889 Okay, 596 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,040 Boobury: I'm finally figuring out what's going on here. IR 597 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,280 cacophony is only set up the trigger based off of the behind 598 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,360 the schemes feed. So that's why names goat wasn't coming through 599 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,870 earlier because he's boosted podcasting. 2.0 Okay, you have 600 00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:58,140 now 601 00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:02,610 Dave Jones: so many scissors flying around. Now a mound of 602 00:38:02,610 --> 00:38:03,480 scissors. Yes. 603 00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:05,370 Boobury: Have You Ever Have you ever wondered what it looks like 604 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:07,890 to tie scissors to a ceiling fan? 605 00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:14,100 Adam Curry: Ever wondered. But I can see how it feels like it 606 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:18,060 right now. Yes, yes. Okay, I got I got it. So 607 00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:20,940 Boobury: yeah, if if you want to play with the IR cacophony, just 608 00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:25,590 boost the live podcast and 2.0 episode that's on the behind the 609 00:38:25,590 --> 00:38:26,370 scheme's feed. 610 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,880 Adam Curry: Okay, I got you. That's why, okay, I see. 611 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,440 Boobury: So I did the theme park gigs, and right 612 00:38:34,439 --> 00:38:36,779 Adam Curry: after all, as an electrician role. 613 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,000 Boobury: It's been, I mostly work as electrician Carpenter, 614 00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:44,640 but I can do a lot of different stuff. It really just depends on 615 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:46,320 what's required for the gig, you know, 616 00:38:46,770 --> 00:38:48,810 Dave Jones: theater, just general theater tech stuff 617 00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:51,150 across the board, entertainment production. 618 00:38:51,179 --> 00:38:54,059 Boobury: It's, you know, if I need to go climb a tree, that's 619 00:38:54,059 --> 00:38:56,669 what I was actually doing. When I kind of fell into the 620 00:38:56,669 --> 00:39:00,149 knowledge industry. I was up in a tree in El Paso wrapping 621 00:39:00,209 --> 00:39:04,109 Christmas lights around it because I didn't have a job on 622 00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:06,119 account with a Rona. Oh, 623 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,030 Dave Jones: okay. All right, right, because you were on tour 624 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:10,140 you were on tour with. 625 00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:16,230 Boobury: Yeah, so in 2000 That would have been 2014 started 626 00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:19,980 picking up Broadway tours as a system electrician did some 627 00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:25,950 brake work as a props guy. And just rock that from 2014 all the 628 00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:30,090 way up to 2020. In between, I'd work like there's a production 629 00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:33,870 company here in town that does a festival and concert setup, 630 00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:37,680 stuff like that. And I would work them during the summer and 631 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,060 then go out and tour during the winter and fall and whatnot. And 632 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:47,460 2020 is kind of when it was it was actually 2019 That summer, 633 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:50,610 maybe fall is probably around the time of that Easter egg 634 00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:52,710 flare up in the news. Oh yeah, 635 00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:57,030 Adam Curry: that's that was the real death. Death by vape. Yeah, 636 00:39:57,060 --> 00:40:00,870 we got those bogus carta bogus THC cards. Just from China, 637 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,910 because I know what really happened, you know, I was like, 638 00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:05,100 Oh, you're all gonna die from vaping Well, I'm still I've 639 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:08,220 never vape more in my life. And this past year, I'm still here. 640 00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:11,850 Boobury: And it was about that time that I found the new agenda 641 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,930 podcast, I don't even know where I stumbled across it. It was 642 00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:21,900 maybe a comment here in some last thread, I'm not sure. And I 643 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,050 was listening to that. That was pretty fortuitous timing, given 644 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,250 what 2020 was gonna bring. And I was on top of a ladder doing a 645 00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:33,150 big lamp changeover for our entire rig and Ottawa and we got 646 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:35,790 the news. Oh, yeah. Theater is going to shut down for the 647 00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:39,000 weekend. Wow, I never I never got to see all those lamps fire 648 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,140 on it was like $1,500 worth of lamps to buy. 649 00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:46,379 Dave Jones: Okay, sound also, 650 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:50,160 Boobury: I you know, funny enough audio is probably my 651 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:52,710 weakest point in terms of production. 652 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:55,950 Dave Jones: All right, you said you toured with somebody doing 653 00:40:55,950 --> 00:40:56,670 sound but I'm 654 00:40:57,810 --> 00:41:02,400 Boobury: just in terms of like, being a swing technician, you 655 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,450 know, you can kind of fall into that place of like helping audio 656 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:11,280 guys out. But if you need me to, like tune a room, that I am not 657 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,520 your guy, you want me to run cable? I got you no problem. 658 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:18,390 Adam Curry: So okay, so everything shut down. And then 659 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:20,850 how did you find out about podcasting? 2.0 660 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,270 Boobury: That was the pandemic hobby was starting a podcast and 661 00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:30,300 out the gate. I mean, if you go online trying to find 662 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,320 information about how to start a podcast, it's go to pod bean, 663 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,910 get yourself a Blue Yeti. 664 00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:41,520 Adam Curry: Ah, yes, champions right there. point 665 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,100 Boobury: point the Blue Yeti directly into your mouth like 666 00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:46,860 you would any other mic, you know, not standing straight up 667 00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:53,370 anyways. And, you know, I have to give a huge shout out a big 668 00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:58,170 plus plus to avoid zero. And Darren No. This is both of their 669 00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:01,590 faults that we're talking right now. Because I made the fatal 670 00:42:01,590 --> 00:42:06,900 mistake one day of getting into the troll room guy, and that'll 671 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:11,070 be there. Yeah, from there it was. He knows such like, an 672 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:16,110 insignificant thing, considering where we've all come but there's 673 00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:21,270 like this real test to getting voiced in the troll room. 674 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,060 Because I never messed with IRC before. I don't know what half 675 00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:28,230 of this stuff meant. I still don't. But you know, it just it. 676 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,510 It made you wanted to figure it out. Because I want to you know, 677 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:35,520 I want to see what all these people are doing. I want to talk 678 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,950 with them. This sounds really cool the Rock and Roll pre show. 679 00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:41,880 I mean, that's, that's the thing that really got me involved in 680 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,940 the chats and whatnot is just submitting songs that Dario 681 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:49,020 finding out about grumpy old Ben's finding about bowl after 682 00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:51,900 bowl and rare encounter, and Nick, the rat and hogs story and 683 00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,180 just from there that like that's, that became the rest of 684 00:42:54,180 --> 00:43:00,870 my year. And I cannot recommend enough if anybody that hears 685 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:05,070 this is ever wanting to start their own sort of show, zero 686 00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:11,580 node is the place to go. Because you've got a bevy of people that 687 00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:15,750 have already been through these steps. And the information flows 688 00:43:15,930 --> 00:43:20,940 freely. Yeah. And it is just it is such a beautiful Rube 689 00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:26,850 Goldberg machines between isobar between gal, between, you know, 690 00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:30,480 all of the booths triggers, it's, it's really a phenomenal 691 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,590 place. And that's, you know, that's kind of I've just been 692 00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:39,540 hanging out in the troll room in the various channels since 2020. 693 00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:42,240 I still remember standing in the HyVee parking lot going to get 694 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,650 groceries catching up on a episode of no agenda. And you 695 00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:49,830 Adam were talking about he had this really cool idea about how 696 00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:51,930 to change podcasts. And I was like, oh, that sounds 697 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:56,910 interesting. And I was a little late to the party. If it I 698 00:43:56,910 --> 00:44:02,400 didn't really like get the bug until sir Spencer and I had done 699 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,300 we used to do a show called misinformed nation, which being 700 00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:09,810 the intent was we would you know, was supposed to be like a 701 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:15,510 no like a biweekly no agenda stream review type of show where 702 00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:19,320 you have this rotating cast of podcasters that would just be 703 00:44:19,350 --> 00:44:22,830 bring clips of things that they had, you know, cut their 704 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,320 attention that they thought were interesting or something that 705 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,930 they wanted to critique, you know, not a straight up like, 706 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,020 Oh, we're gonna bash the EverLiving snot out of the show 707 00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:35,640 or anything like that. It was mostly just like, we're gonna 708 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,890 meet up and talk about what we're listening to and if 709 00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:39,960 there's any good recommendations, and he had 710 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,350 brought podcasts and 2.0 and we talked pretty thoroughly about 711 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:47,550 it, and from there it was probably episode 1718 And I 712 00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:50,790 mean, I'd never bought Bitcoin before I had never messed with 713 00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:55,320 an RSS feed. We started on pod bean and we migrated to pod 714 00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,450 surf.fm which is a very reasonably price, sir service 715 00:45:00,450 --> 00:45:03,990 and I would recommend them as a host. If anybody's looking for 716 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:06,300 somebody out there, we're probably going to be 717 00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:11,850 transitioning. Because I offer them just because I want to get 718 00:45:11,850 --> 00:45:18,060 to a point where we don't have to touch to RSS feeds two times. 719 00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:18,840 Every Monday 720 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,190 Adam Curry: night. Yeah. Yeah, that gets old. It does. So, 721 00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:27,600 okay, so then value for value music comes along, and you're 722 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,230 already right in the middle of it. And so how do you jump in? 723 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:35,940 Boobury: I mostly I just I had a collection of my dad's tracks. 724 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,010 It's the climbing the mountain you can find it It's a 725 00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:45,060 compilation on podcasts and 2.0 and my original co host Malikai. 726 00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:48,990 We'd actually started out with three guys. But Malikai is also 727 00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:52,980 a pretty prolific Oh my God, what's the word prolific, 728 00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:58,590 prolific musician, and he had had a sizable catalogue. So I 729 00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:01,950 had, you know, both of these two artists like the rusty gates, 730 00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:07,200 the Rainmaker. $2 hauler. You know, that's all. 731 00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:10,320 Adam Curry: Rusty gates, I think was one of the there's not the 732 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,170 first track we played on podcasting. 2.0. It 733 00:46:13,169 --> 00:46:15,029 Boobury: would have been the second I think you started with 734 00:46:15,029 --> 00:46:16,229 just Oh, that's right. Joe 735 00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:17,910 Adam Curry: Martin. Right. Then went right to Gates was the 736 00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:18,600 second right. 737 00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:25,770 Boobury: girl like me? Yeah. So I had these all this music that 738 00:46:25,770 --> 00:46:27,870 you know, we've been playing this music forever on the show. 739 00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:33,030 We have. Maybe since the 20s. On BTS, we've been playing 15 740 00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:37,650 minute long intermissions every single week, which Fun fact, 741 00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:41,280 when you have 100 plus of those intermissions saved up you can 742 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,730 just throw them onto a ice cast stream and we haven't like 743 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,700 incident radio station in a box. Just add water and shake. 744 00:46:48,149 --> 00:46:49,649 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 745 00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:54,120 Boobury: You know, all of that was Free Music Archive stuff, 746 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,210 you know, CC BY. And we're actually kind of in a in a 747 00:46:57,210 --> 00:47:00,540 conundrum, because I don't know how we can put the new 748 00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:04,080 intermissions that have the VTS is in them on a stream and 749 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,920 actually have those be boost double. I would definitely love 750 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,080 to be able to do that where you have something like the no 751 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,590 agenda stream just broadcasts and well actually, 752 00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:17,520 Adam Curry: I think that the split kit has a mechanism for 753 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,540 that, but you have to use the Split kit as the playout. But it 754 00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:24,930 does work. I've experimented with that you can put in an 755 00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:28,530 entire music show and it will just it will sucking all of the 756 00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:32,400 value time splits and little add them in to the to the live 757 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,470 stream. Okay, 758 00:47:34,529 --> 00:47:36,359 so they have not had a way to do it. Yeah, 759 00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:39,060 Boobury: I hadn't. I'd heard rumblings about that I hadn't 760 00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:40,680 had a chance to play with. So 761 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:43,500 Dave Jones: I'm looking at your feed move. Marina says you're he 762 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:47,040 said you're on pod surf, but I don't but your feed shows 763 00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:48,120 sovereign feeds. 764 00:47:50,909 --> 00:47:56,129 Boobury: That's because every Monday I upload BTS and before 765 00:47:56,129 --> 00:48:00,059 the schemes to pod surf, I take the feed that they generate, and 766 00:48:00,059 --> 00:48:04,139 I hack away at it by hands. And then that's 767 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,320 Adam Curry: rough brother that's very rough. Every 768 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,540 Boobury: month, every Monday night when we sit down kick the 769 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:18,180 stream on 830 It's probably for 435 o'clock by the time we walk 770 00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:22,350 away because we we do episodes back to back and then we post 771 00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:25,230 produce both episodes back to back with all of the new chapter 772 00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:29,220 art, all the value time splits everything just you know, get it 773 00:48:29,220 --> 00:48:36,270 done, rip that band aid off. So then I think oh, the music. Yes, 774 00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,120 Adam Curry: I think you really you really came into the picture 775 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,180 and started to shine really big besides the behind the schemes 776 00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:47,190 work with with the Ainsley Costello just loud concert, 777 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:52,230 because you were basically boots on the ground for everybody. You 778 00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:54,870 were pulling stuff together, there's the way it felt to me. 779 00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:59,460 Boobury: So backing up just a little bit. Right after the 780 00:48:59,460 --> 00:49:03,270 value time splits were debuted on podcast 2.0 We immediately 781 00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,250 threw them into our feed. That's something that we had been 782 00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:10,260 waiting for forever. Even back when David joined us on episode 783 00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:14,760 101. We made sure to include all of the musician wallets for the 784 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,360 intermission. So this is something I've been like frothy 785 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:25,440 about and during that fall, we just started the Thunder Road 786 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,070 dot media website and we were working with musicians getting 787 00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:32,790 their mp3 uploaded onto the website building feeds or the 788 00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:36,870 music music side project. We're up to 80 plus feeds right now. 789 00:49:36,930 --> 00:49:40,950 Wow. And yeah, and you know, it's just, it's just something 790 00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:44,070 that I want to do because I want to be able to play all this 791 00:49:44,070 --> 00:49:50,130 killer music. And I had heard that Ainsley especially with 792 00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:55,290 given all the the hype around the podcasts and to porno debuts 793 00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:58,950 that you were playing for her for and I saw that they were 794 00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:02,370 going to be doing this concert Are and you know, first avenue 795 00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,190 is spitting distance, basically, it's like 20 minutes or 796 00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:09,210 whatever. And I just reached out and I said, hey, hey, now I've 797 00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:16,020 got production entertainment, background of 10 plus years, I'd 798 00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:21,270 love to be of assistance. And, you know, basically it was 799 00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:26,310 trying to zip up. Because from what I understand, I don't 800 00:50:26,310 --> 00:50:29,730 necessarily want to speak too far into this because I am a 801 00:50:29,730 --> 00:50:33,840 little foggy on on the what actually happened so much has 802 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,330 transpired over the past couple of months. But the RSS 803 00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:43,410 introduction was kind of a last minute tack on in terms of 804 00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:46,590 actually broadcasts and the feeds through the podcasting 805 00:50:46,590 --> 00:50:46,920 app. 806 00:50:46,949 --> 00:50:48,359 Adam Curry: Oh, really? Oh, okay. 807 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,720 Boobury: And, you know, like, by last minute, I'm thinking 808 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:55,740 probably within the last month or so, but you know, don't don't 809 00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:58,710 quote me on my outline. Like I said, it's just, it's, there's 810 00:50:58,770 --> 00:51:03,480 so much both in work and personal life and the show 811 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,360 stuff. It's hard to keep track of, there's a lot of lore that 812 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,950 goes deep. And, you know, it was just a matter of trying to 813 00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:15,630 bridge the gap between all of this experience with BTS and the 814 00:51:15,630 --> 00:51:18,780 music, and the split kid, especially, you know, doing 815 00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:23,580 these wallet, the wallet switches, because we've been 816 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,820 since summer, or maybe I'd have to go back, but we've been using 817 00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:33,570 the split kit every week. Courtesy of Steven B. I mean, 818 00:51:33,570 --> 00:51:36,240 that thing is so cool, 819 00:51:36,270 --> 00:51:39,450 Adam Curry: though. I Phoebe loves it too. So Okay, girl, I 820 00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:42,810 could not live without the split kit, for sure. Yeah. 821 00:51:43,949 --> 00:51:46,529 Boobury: So it was just a matter of like it kind of just, you 822 00:51:46,529 --> 00:51:49,139 know, being able to provide a little bit of production. We 823 00:51:49,139 --> 00:51:52,709 rented some lights from the company that I worked for just 824 00:51:52,709 --> 00:51:57,779 little two pipe, pipe and bass with some LEDs. And Frankie 825 00:51:57,779 --> 00:52:00,539 Payne was out there helping me get loaded in and we streamed 826 00:52:00,539 --> 00:52:05,249 everything and we BTS actually rebroadcast that along with 827 00:52:05,249 --> 00:52:09,179 homegrown hits. That's something that's really fun, you know, fun 828 00:52:09,179 --> 00:52:12,689 fact, if people want to do this, you can just copy and paste live 829 00:52:12,689 --> 00:52:16,589 items out of other feeds and put them into yours. And if you're 830 00:52:16,589 --> 00:52:17,849 doing rebroadcast 831 00:52:17,850 --> 00:52:20,670 Dave Jones: that's, that's a great idea. Yeah, this is like 832 00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:25,620 a, like a feed drop. But live for live for for a live event, 833 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:26,340 you know, yeah, 834 00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:29,670 Adam Curry: it's a repeater. It's it's, you did you said, 835 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,180 copying the live item for this for this podcast and to put on 836 00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:36,960 our live episode into the BTS feed is perfect. I mean, I had 837 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,320 never even considered that but it's, it's neither. A live 838 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,790 remote item is beautiful. 839 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:47,220 Boobury: And we'll be doing that on Saturday. But I guess since 840 00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:51,000 we're at the end of December with Ainsley shows, you know, 841 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,710 that was I still like it still kind of messes me up just like 842 00:52:56,220 --> 00:53:01,230 how much we got to witness happen. For Ainsley, for her 843 00:53:01,230 --> 00:53:04,770 parents. For Frankie pain, Frankie pain is a technician 844 00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:09,090 that's never bought Bitcoin and earn that first stack of sads 845 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,820 nice. Like, that's such a that is such a mind fudge, you know. 846 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,570 Adam Curry: So before we get to the next concert, which is the 847 00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:23,100 reason why we timed you having on the show today. Tell me about 848 00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:28,740 Thunder Road and, and how how are you approaching artists? Do 849 00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:32,250 you find this a certain way that works better for them? What kind 850 00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:35,460 of pushback Are you getting? What is your what is your 851 00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:39,900 approach for onboarding artists and and explaining to them 852 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:40,950 what's going on? 853 00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:52,320 Boobury: The it's funny, I have been way more, I've met way more 854 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,640 musicians have been receptive to podcasts and 2.0 then other 855 00:53:57,030 --> 00:54:04,350 other podcasters realistically, it's pretty pretty bizarre. Fun 856 00:54:04,350 --> 00:54:07,230 fact, the union of the unwanted appearance that you had done 857 00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:12,660 recently, a lot of those dudes I have talked to some to a pretty 858 00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:15,990 good extent about getting their feeds on boarded one of them 859 00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:22,110 even in person purpley. So I'm excited to see those dudes catch 860 00:54:22,110 --> 00:54:29,190 up here. And then we, in terms of just talking to the 861 00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:32,460 musicians, it's like, hey, you know, if you've got a song, 862 00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:36,660 let's get it onto our website, and I can build you the feed, 863 00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:41,070 I'll do everything for you. And, you know, I'll get the feed 864 00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:44,640 hosted on our website with the GUID transfers, which Dave You 865 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,010 and I had done that with rusty gate. It was on wavelike 866 00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:50,700 originally, but we ended up moving and it's my website that 867 00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:53,730 alerted me that like, I don't have to hold these feeds in 868 00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:57,120 perpetuity for people I can, you know, realistically I want to 869 00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:02,280 offload these at some point I don't want to post these forever 870 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:08,580 just because like the idea is you get people started you plant 871 00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:16,200 those seeds and you can just trans groups like to like Ryan 872 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,670 Okada, 12 rides, I've got some of his, some of his feeds. And 873 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,040 I've told him 874 00:55:24,929 --> 00:55:27,149 Adam Curry: everybody okay, yeah, you you're cutting out 875 00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:29,819 Dave, are you losing all signal or just 876 00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:33,630 Dave Jones: boom? No, no, I'm fine. I just think it's just on 877 00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:34,260 boobers in 878 00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:36,870 Adam Curry: okay. Yeah, we lost you for a second brother. Take 879 00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:39,840 it back to Okay. Check, check, check, check. Yeah, you're good 880 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,080 now. 881 00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:46,230 Boobury: So, uh, oh, sure, I lost my train of thought. Um, 882 00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:49,050 yeah, it's just a matter it's just a matter of, you know, 883 00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:52,050 reaching out to the musicians and seeing if they want to do 884 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,740 one song and if they do the one song and there's and that's the 885 00:55:55,740 --> 00:56:01,380 cool thing is like these music shows we can just like, like, 886 00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,690 hey, there's new music from this, these guys and we just 887 00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:07,140 drop them into the chat and you know, they get a little bit of 888 00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:10,230 exposure and they they like what they're seeing in terms of you 889 00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:13,440 know, people just talking about their music, you know, all of 890 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,530 the value aside, just the fact that people are listening and 891 00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:19,920 enjoying sorry, all of the Bitcoin aside, the fact that 892 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,650 people are listening and talking about and enjoying that music, 893 00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:29,460 valuing it that that really spurs them into getting their 894 00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:34,980 whole catalogue uploaded. And I've I've been informed that I 895 00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:41,190 need to go back in at the right duration tags. That crushes my 896 00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:43,890 soul a little bit, but we'll get it figured out. I mean, 897 00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:48,240 everything is everything. Everything that we produce is 898 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:49,560 handcrafted. 899 00:56:50,580 --> 00:56:54,360 Adam Curry: Small batch. Small batch. Artisan partners. Yes, 900 00:56:54,660 --> 00:56:55,530 Dave Jones: yes, yes. 901 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,730 Adam Curry: You're doing such amazing work and I just want 902 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,410 everyone to understand when when you talk about value for value 903 00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:09,960 and how it can work with smaller audiences were well over 160,000 904 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:16,320 Satoshis just of what you brought to today's podcast and 905 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,200 it's all you man you don't need we don't need music it's just 906 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,450 just have you on the show this great I mean that that really 907 00:57:24,450 --> 00:57:27,270 shows the power of what community can do and you know, 908 00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:30,690 you're bringing your community you're you're streaming live on 909 00:57:30,690 --> 00:57:34,110 the on the other feed I mean, it's amazing what can be done 910 00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:37,440 with a relatively small amount of people it's just it's 911 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,540 beautiful to see and I think this is the trend in general and 912 00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:45,600 I think people are starting to realize it and I love the 913 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,310 evangelizing that you're doing and and which you've also done 914 00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:53,400 just beautifully for this 12 rods concert for tomorrow tell 915 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,530 us about that. Before 916 00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:59,310 Boobury: we go any further I do Oh Pete's are Seven Goats 917 00:57:59,310 --> 00:58:01,860 because he was boosted in the podcasting 2.0 feed and out the 918 00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:05,190 behind the ski one behind the screen ones so with the 919 00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:08,820 boardrooms blessings I'd like to just go ahead and get this over 920 00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:11,460 with that's probably the best for everybody okay. 921 00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:45,900 Adam Curry: Victory oh man 922 00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:52,290 Dave Are you all right? 923 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:54,660 Dave Jones: Not sure what just happened? 924 00:58:54,689 --> 00:58:57,269 Adam Curry: I got some on me. Let me just wipe this off. I 925 00:58:57,269 --> 00:58:59,819 don't know what that Guru is. But I gotta 926 00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:08,700 Dave Jones: change the clothes Okay, that's something new in 927 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:09,990 the boardroom. Yes. Okay. 928 00:59:10,349 --> 00:59:12,719 Boobury: I love that tribute che Yeah, that was a reason 929 00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:19,290 Dave Jones: that I just I'm I'm sort of like this is not good 930 00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:24,390 for my mental health. What I mean is watching this 931 00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:27,840 Adam Curry: watching the scoreboard I had to shut down 932 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,660 the scoreboard it was it was it was drawing me in I was like, 933 00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,499 Dave Jones: it's crazy focus and don't get anything done right 934 00:59:34,499 --> 00:59:34,739 now. 935 00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:39,360 Boobury: So there's, there's a lot of elements that we've been 936 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,930 building up with are these and this is gonna sound crazy, but 937 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,760 most of the things that triggers the stuff that we can do comes 938 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,260 from IRC. Is 939 00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:56,130 Adam Curry: there a place we can go and see where we can find the 940 00:59:56,130 --> 01:00:00,720 code to implement this or no to customize it? GitHub or 941 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,860 something that people can go to? Because I mean, I can see lots 942 01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:08,820 of lots of things people would want to do with this. But it 943 01:00:08,820 --> 01:00:10,830 seems like where do I find it? 944 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,220 Boobury: There's two places. Servo does have a GitHub 945 01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:20,370 repository for IR cacophony, which is the IRC triggers. Split 946 01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:27,630 kid is also has also introduced boost ISOs. And I didn't realize 947 01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:32,550 I forget exactly how to set it up. Just because I got so much 948 01:00:32,550 --> 01:00:38,040 piled up on the plates, but it is possible. It's just a matter 949 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,040 of making sure that you have the right live item in your 950 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,710 defaults. And then there's a menu inside the hamburger menu 951 01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:50,580 that takes you to the boost. ISOs and you can set Oh, 952 01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:53,700 Adam Curry: I'd never even see that boost board trigger board 953 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:57,660 soundboard. Holy moly. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. 954 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:03,329 Boobury: So you can do that. But yeah, the way our cacophony 955 01:01:03,329 --> 01:01:06,749 worse is gal, which is my version of the booth spot, 956 01:01:07,139 --> 01:01:13,529 servos cetera. She's amazing. And she relays the booths back. 957 01:01:13,529 --> 01:01:16,229 And then IR cacophony is a Python script that's sitting 958 01:01:16,229 --> 01:01:20,969 there reading the chat room, and just fires sound effects based 959 01:01:20,969 --> 01:01:23,729 off of various key word triggers. 960 01:01:24,810 --> 01:01:27,240 Dave Jones: Wow, did you ever did you ever get the lighting 961 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,680 thing working correctly? 962 01:01:29,219 --> 01:01:33,959 Boobury: Multiple times, multiple times. So that that's a 963 01:01:33,959 --> 01:01:37,169 little more caveman than I would like it. But as it stands, 964 01:01:37,169 --> 01:01:42,629 right, well, the first version was using Hello pad. And hey, 965 01:01:42,629 --> 01:01:47,459 citizen, Peso doesn't turn me on to this open source software 966 01:01:47,459 --> 01:01:52,049 called QL c plus, which is a free and open lighting software. 967 01:01:52,769 --> 01:01:58,349 And in there, it's got an audio trigger widget and you just give 968 01:01:58,349 --> 01:02:02,669 it an input and it will sit there and fire lighting chases 969 01:02:04,979 --> 01:02:09,179 based off of how you know how you program it. So just 970 01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:12,540 Adam Curry: just to distill it down so what can be done now 971 01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:15,180 which is great for live shows, which I'm going to look at now 972 01:02:15,180 --> 01:02:19,350 that I see it's in the split kit, the split kit.com You can 973 01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:24,450 set it up so that if if someone boosts a certain number, a 974 01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:29,850 certain amount that will trigger a different sound Yes, that is I 975 01:02:29,850 --> 01:02:32,100 didn't even know the see this. I didn't even know this was here. 976 01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:35,340 It's been in front of me. I use the Split kit all the time. It's 977 01:02:35,340 --> 01:02:37,650 it's been in front of me all this time. That's phenomenal. 978 01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:40,800 And and it's really great because it you know, it works 979 01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:47,160 inspirationally. aspirationally and auditorily it's fantastic. 980 01:02:47,580 --> 01:02:47,940 Yeah, 981 01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:50,550 Boobury: and like that whole kazoo pit that's something that 982 01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:55,260 just became a necessity because Pete's are murders so many goats 983 01:02:55,260 --> 01:02:59,340 routinely that he just needs background music so yes, I 984 01:02:59,340 --> 01:03:01,260 Adam Curry: think I think I understand yes 985 01:03:01,290 --> 01:03:05,850 Boobury: it's a totally just you know, it's the the epitome in my 986 01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:10,200 opinion of taking a show and you know like really staking a claim 987 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,310 and brother 988 01:03:11,310 --> 01:03:14,100 Adam Curry: let's take a little break here and then we'll come 989 01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:17,640 back we'll talk about the about the concert tomorrow you of 990 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,870 course view as one of the few guests on the show email this 991 01:03:21,870 --> 01:03:26,820 morning early with your wallet and and with a song you want it 992 01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:28,050 so what are we going to listen to? 993 01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:31,500 Boobury: We are going to be listening to a damn good 994 01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:33,900 haunting by mellow Cosette they're going to be kicking off 995 01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:38,280 our live stream tomorrow at 6:30pm Central in the 996 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,050 Minneapolis check it out. 997 01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:14,370 Unknown: says please wipe the blood from your door Grace Do 998 01:04:14,370 --> 01:04:14,910 you see 999 01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:29,669 what you believe in now still betting days in the sun 1000 01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:42,450 need is a damn good 1001 01:04:58,110 --> 01:05:07,410 meeting hearts you Got demons in the caravans as you can you 1002 01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:08,310 promise us 1003 01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:19,950 back 1004 01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,339 you need is a damn good on 1005 01:06:31,890 --> 01:07:00,150 Adam Curry: You well now kind of kicks butt I would concur. mela 1006 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:01,740 Damned 1007 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,660 Dave Jones: you that the the church is not a place you go as 1008 01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,790 you are the church you carry it around with you like blueberry. 1009 01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:17,040 Behind the scheme's is not a podcast. You listen to it, it's 1010 01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,840 wherever blueberry is. So he basically turned this boardroom 1011 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,960 into an episode of bond schemes as recently what happened today 1012 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,250 Adam Curry: Dave, you do a invites brother. You're in 1013 01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:33,150 charge of all that man. 1014 01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:35,610 Dave Jones: I know. I know. I apologize to the entire 1015 01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:39,480 boardroom. So yeah, so 1016 01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:43,350 Boobury: let's after after the concert with Ainsley, I'd called 1017 01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:46,680 him to the our big dumb mouth podcast live every Wednesday and 1018 01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,310 Saturday. And I had told him, you know how the concert went, 1019 01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:54,450 and I was very excited. And someone from the Minneapolis 1020 01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:02,310 Perry, emailed the Thunder Road, email, and was curious about how 1021 01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:05,490 they could do something similar and we had talked a little bit 1022 01:08:05,490 --> 01:08:08,280 back and forth. He plays in a band silver seed who check him 1023 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:14,640 out on Ellen beats. And you know, it communication just kind 1024 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,670 of fell off. And this is right around the time I went down to 1025 01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:21,090 Kansas City a couple of times, I was setting up, Spencer and 1026 01:08:21,090 --> 01:08:25,080 Lorien with their own bustable disco ball. They've got a 1027 01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:29,220 lighting rig set up down in there in the bowl, where every 1028 01:08:29,220 --> 01:08:32,340 time they get a boost, there's a little chase of LED lights and 1029 01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:35,760 then a disco ball lights up. They've got their own cast video 1030 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,210 stream that it's the background for their stream. It's it's so 1031 01:08:39,210 --> 01:08:45,510 just perfect. And after we kind of got that figured out. I was 1032 01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:47,940 sitting at lunch with the supervisor and I was telling 1033 01:08:47,940 --> 01:08:53,340 them about the Ainsley show and the venue. That email from Perry 1034 01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:56,340 kind of came back up and I looked it up on the Google Maps 1035 01:08:56,340 --> 01:09:00,300 and the warehouse was five minutes down the road from where 1036 01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:04,470 we were having lunch. And I was like, Oh, it is Game On, called 1037 01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:11,730 Perry basically showed up that day. And within 24 to 48 hours. 1038 01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:16,830 They said let's do a show April 6 12 rods is going out on tour. 1039 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,070 And we'd like to do a little like pre tour kickoff for them. 1040 01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:25,770 And that really just that is what kicks off the last month 1041 01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:30,570 and a half in terms of just trying to get everything ready. 1042 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,780 We're we're bringing the scoreboard which we've already 1043 01:09:33,780 --> 01:09:37,020 kind of talked about. Thank you Eric, VP for getting that set 1044 01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:39,630 up. We're gonna have that projected in the venue so that 1045 01:09:39,630 --> 01:09:43,080 people can see it. We're gonna go nice, 1046 01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:44,880 Adam Curry: nice. Oh, yeah. 1047 01:09:45,150 --> 01:09:49,050 Boobury: Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, yeah. And we're going to have a 1048 01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:51,630 48 inch disco ball that's going to be lining up. I've actually 1049 01:09:51,630 --> 01:09:55,590 got a LED licos in here at my feet that's been lining up a 1050 01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:58,890 floor. This is like my second time to actually 1051 01:09:58,890 --> 01:10:01,710 Adam Curry: crop so you Actually, you're taking the 1052 01:10:01,710 --> 01:10:06,480 whole boosting experience back into the IRL with with stuff 1053 01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:09,300 flashing and flipping off while people are booths. Will you have 1054 01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:13,830 QR codes for people to use during the show? I 1055 01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:16,590 Boobury: hope so. I was kind of messing around with the get 1056 01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:21,870 Alby. I just I don't know which QR codes to use. That's 1057 01:10:21,870 --> 01:10:24,180 Adam Curry: the thing. It's not a split kit thing that you that 1058 01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:29,100 you use for that. Oh, you're right. Yeah. Split kit. Yeah. 1059 01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:31,500 Boobury: Yeah. All right. Yeah. And we'll have split kit 1060 01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:32,670 running. One 1061 01:10:32,670 --> 01:10:35,280 Adam Curry: day, someone's gonna document all this and it'll be 1062 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,180 the way that concerts are done. I'm telling you, right, you can 1063 01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:42,900 be sitting at home, you can do something on your on your app, 1064 01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:46,290 and you're gonna see lights flashing at the venue itself. 1065 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,100 It's this is a this is powerful. Unfortunately, 1066 01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,960 Boobury: unfortunately, I think we're going to kind of run out. 1067 01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:54,270 I mean, there's we're going to run out of time today, but 1068 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,830 there's so many just like, oh, we can try. Okay, I'll give you 1069 01:10:58,830 --> 01:11:01,500 one. Give me one. You'll appreciate this. 1070 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,600 Adam Curry: How old are you man? How old are you? 1071 01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:06,900 Boobury: I'll be 33 at the end of July down in Nashville. magic 1072 01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:07,380 number. 1073 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,610 Adam Curry: Dave now I understand young man. Yes, 1074 01:11:11,610 --> 01:11:12,180 that's right. 1075 01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:13,620 Dave Jones: Yeah, he has energy. Yeah. 1076 01:11:18,510 --> 01:11:21,450 Boobury: Oh, god, yeah, it's, it's really just kind of bring 1077 01:11:21,450 --> 01:11:25,230 into the table. Everything that we've been, you know, trying to 1078 01:11:25,620 --> 01:11:30,420 not trying that we've been doing for the live podcast. And so 1079 01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:33,120 we'll have the boost of all disco ball, it should be 1080 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:37,800 lighting up. We're going to have a boost bot overlay on the video 1081 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,760 stream. I've actually got hex chat output into a text file for 1082 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,330 OBS. Of course, why not? That will be overlaid on the bottom? 1083 01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:51,240 Of course you do. Yep. There's, we we start the pre stream at 1084 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:56,700 530. We've got one hour of music videos from songs were found on 1085 01:11:56,700 --> 01:12:00,540 Ellen beats, we'll have the split kits set up ready to go so 1086 01:12:00,540 --> 01:12:05,130 that as you're watching the pre show, stream, all the wallets 1087 01:12:05,130 --> 01:12:09,600 will be changed for split kit, podcast guru. There's a little 1088 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,580 something something special, it's going to be actually 1089 01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:15,510 kicking us from the pre stream into the live feed. I've been 1090 01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:19,590 accused of spoiling stuff in the past. So I'm sitting on this 1091 01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:22,890 one. And there's nothing that anybody can do to Mattamy Yeah, 1092 01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:23,430 good man. 1093 01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:26,100 Dave Jones: Oh, hell yes. And then. 1094 01:12:27,450 --> 01:12:29,940 Adam Curry: And our guests brings his own sound drops. It 1095 01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:31,620 doesn't get any better than that. It's 1096 01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:35,490 Boobury: all I have. I have so many. I have so many brother, 1097 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,270 Adam Curry: your enthusiasm, your enthusiasm is infectious. I 1098 01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:46,140 love this. I think that you're changing the way live music is 1099 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:51,570 just live music in general. With this integration with with 2.0 1100 01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:56,520 and with the value verse. This is very exciting. It's it's a 1101 01:12:57,060 --> 01:13:01,500 it's messy. I love that about it. Because this is this is 1102 01:13:01,500 --> 01:13:05,910 where beautiful things are born man. I'm very. Can I say I'm 1103 01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:09,690 proud of you, son. I love this. This is good. Good stuff. 1104 01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:10,740 Families. Thank you, ma'am. 1105 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:15,300 Dave Jones: You're not. But you're not a developer. Right? I 1106 01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:18,540 mean, this. You're not No, not right. Oh, 1107 01:13:18,690 --> 01:13:25,530 Boobury: my, my, my history or I guess, experience with computers 1108 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,300 is pretty much MySpace and some Adobe court back in the day when 1109 01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:32,730 we were homeschooled. Wow. 1110 01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:38,640 Dave Jones: Wow is the most this is the best part to me, of, of 1111 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:44,100 this, of this board meeting is that you look at all the stuff 1112 01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:48,240 that is getting strung together in by you and Spencer and and 1113 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:53,310 all the people in the IRC. And it's, it shows to what what I 1114 01:13:53,310 --> 01:13:58,110 take away from that is that look at all this stuff that was that 1115 01:13:58,110 --> 01:14:01,860 has been built and strung together. What What if we put 1116 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,120 actual protocols on top of this, you know, actual standard 1117 01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,930 protocols like activity pub and that kind of thing and put these 1118 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,800 on top to where they're linked together in a way where you 1119 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,570 don't have to do a bunch of like stringing of disparate parts 1120 01:14:18,570 --> 01:14:22,020 together where you can actually link them together in a coherent 1121 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:28,080 Yes. Protocol, then this, then you're then you're then it's not 1122 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:33,690 just siloed into one IRC channel is in its you you do a lot is 1123 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,730 anybody can do a live podcast. And they can just pay they can 1124 01:14:38,730 --> 01:14:42,900 just hit go and you get all the parts. Like I just think that 1125 01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:48,480 there's a lot to learn from watching. You guys put all these 1126 01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:52,320 things together, because I get stuck. But I think all of us as 1127 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,320 developers we get stuck sometimes as is what I said a 1128 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,680 while ago. I'm building activity pub bridge and I and I hit this 1129 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,690 point I get I get a couple of days. So it's done. And I'm 1130 01:15:00,690 --> 01:15:05,340 like, Well, that's it. I'm out of ideas. But then you guys come 1131 01:15:05,340 --> 01:15:08,640 along and do like 50 things. You're You're murdering goats. 1132 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,280 You're doing all this wild stuff. And I'm like, and putting 1133 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,250 together scoreboards on the internet. I'm like, oh, yeah, 1134 01:15:14,250 --> 01:15:17,100 wait, there. There is like a lot of other things you could do. 1135 01:15:17,490 --> 01:15:21,150 You just I just didn't have the language to describe it or the 1136 01:15:21,150 --> 01:15:25,440 ideas to like express it. It's cool. It's very, very cool 1137 01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:40,140 Adam Curry: so, just looking at the scoreboard so far 208,585 1138 01:15:40,140 --> 01:15:45,330 SATs for this podcast being boosted. That is well over $135. 1139 01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:50,100 You know, a lot of bands will pay that amount to play. 1140 01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:54,450 Boobury: Yeah, no, I'm saying we, you know, this concert has 1141 01:15:54,450 --> 01:15:58,890 been, you know, produced via the same way that we've been doing 1142 01:15:58,890 --> 01:16:02,340 the show every week. We've asked people for value. We've tried to 1143 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:06,060 do what we could to provide value up front. That's been kind 1144 01:16:06,060 --> 01:16:08,850 of interesting. Like, it's not just the lighting stuff that 1145 01:16:08,850 --> 01:16:11,790 we're doing for this concert we've sown and made banners that 1146 01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:15,000 we're going to be flying. They've been painted with, you 1147 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,750 know, it's under road media, Taylor sound and then you know, 1148 01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:20,970 the actual like titles of the concert. 1149 01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:26,610 Adam Curry: Man and brother. Do you know do you have a full time 1150 01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:28,170 job as well? I 1151 01:16:28,170 --> 01:16:33,720 Boobury: have have bounced between two jobs. I just got off 1152 01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,600 the road with REO Speedwagon Sunday. 1153 01:16:37,470 --> 01:16:38,160 Adam Curry: Beautiful 1154 01:16:39,690 --> 01:16:42,570 Boobury: in the past 10 to a that was a great time. This guy 1155 01:16:42,570 --> 01:16:43,380 is still ahead. Oh, I 1156 01:16:43,380 --> 01:16:48,030 Adam Curry: bet. I bet they do. But we could talk forever about 1157 01:16:48,030 --> 01:16:50,520 this stuff. And it's in thrall and we do have to thank some 1158 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:55,200 people also have to get Dave out of here on time, so 1159 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,870 Boobury: just let me just say real quick because I'm actually 1160 01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:00,540 I probably do have to dip right now because we have to go pack a 1161 01:17:00,540 --> 01:17:06,540 truck. Saturday. Search 12 rods, Tory clips in your podcast and 1162 01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:09,870 2.0 app that will show you the live feed, we're going to be 1163 01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:13,890 kicking that on 536 30 metal cassette takes the stage 730 1164 01:17:13,890 --> 01:17:17,640 will be 12 rods. Thank you, Tyler. Thank you open mic. Thank 1165 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:22,590 you, everybody that's helped us get to where we are to go load 1166 01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:23,070 in today 1167 01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:26,460 Adam Curry: and where and where do we find it in the podcasting 1168 01:17:26,460 --> 01:17:27,540 2.0 apps. 1169 01:17:28,590 --> 01:17:32,370 Boobury: You can search 12 rods you can search tailor sound okay 1170 01:17:32,370 --> 01:17:35,010 behind the schemes and homegrown hits are going to be doing a 1171 01:17:35,010 --> 01:17:38,970 rebroadcast and we're going to be live in tune stir.io And on 1172 01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:40,710 the no agenda stream. Wow. 1173 01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:44,430 Dave Jones: There's a video string is which which one is the 1174 01:17:44,430 --> 01:17:49,200 video stream? They should send you're gonna have a note the OBS 1175 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,330 lay overlay and yeah, all 1176 01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:53,790 Boobury: of them all of them should be the video stream. 1177 01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:59,310 Okay, agenda one. Yep. I'm gonna dip out but my last little bit 1178 01:17:59,310 --> 01:17:59,790 of karma 1179 01:18:14,910 --> 01:18:19,350 right. Give me all for letting me hop on. I really appreciate 1180 01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:22,200 it and I will talk to you also very soon. Thank you very 1181 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,450 Adam Curry: brother. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And 1182 01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:31,710 we'll be watching man have a great time. Okay, Dave. I'd 1183 01:18:31,710 --> 01:18:33,930 learned something Dave. We've just looked at the ground. 1184 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,180 Dizziness will go away. It's okay. Room was scanning for me. 1185 01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:41,970 I had to stop for a second. There you go. This is actually 1186 01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:44,730 helping. All right. I'm going to try and run through a whole 1187 01:18:44,730 --> 01:18:47,220 bunch of these booths that came in it's a little bit out of 1188 01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:50,520 control. You know them not all of them are boosted Graham's 1189 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:54,480 thank God just got 1000 SATs from Ainsley Costello go 1190 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:59,310 blueberry 34,567 from Dred Scott love the show can't fight that 1191 01:18:59,310 --> 01:19:04,740 feeling anymore. Mary Kate Ultra three hearts in a lightning bolt 1192 01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:09,420 with a row of ducks 2222 A non will not beat me says na 1193 01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:14,190 millennial with 1000 SATs Tico Tico from DeLorean at 88 1194 01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:18,690 homeschoolers rule from shred word 500 SATs and other 5000 1195 01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:21,840 from cool stuff. We may not be prepping the door full verse to 1196 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:27,300 host live concerts one day soon. I love that. That's very cool. D 1197 01:19:27,330 --> 01:19:31,830 D web 3210. Will the advent of cross app comments resulted in 1198 01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:35,430 fewer booster grams and lower monetization overall? Well, no. 1199 01:19:36,180 --> 01:19:39,600 This is what I initially thought with. With fountain surfacing 1200 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,500 those it turns out that the answer is no it's you still have 1201 01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:47,100 to do the same amount of work for value for value you have to 1202 01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:51,210 ask for value. Remember that booster grams are not comment 1203 01:19:51,210 --> 01:19:56,220 with a payment it's it's a value support with a comment. That's 1204 01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:59,460 the way it works and that's the way it still is working 1001 1205 01:19:59,460 --> 01:20:04,560 from angels Eat Minneapolis 10,000 from DS laughs artisanal 1206 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,230 small batch and handcrafted podcasting what they hate to 1207 01:20:07,230 --> 01:20:10,020 admit is I'm here for the tech talk. It gives away your nerd 1208 01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:12,780 status love what you're doing with music features when there 1209 01:20:12,780 --> 01:20:17,910 was a lot of nerdy stuff in there. Tell you, pew, this man 1210 01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:21,870 pew the booth Pfeiffer 1821 Then we got paid tar with his 1211 01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:27,270 incredible sequence of 6666 DeLorean sacrificing this goat 1212 01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:30,900 in the name of d mu i remember when boobs put like 33 splits on 1213 01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:34,200 the behind the scheme's episode to play the pioneers. April in 1214 01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,720 the week and the wolf long before the split kid 1215 01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,020 revolutionize the scene. Thank you, DeLorean Ainsley was 1216 01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:43,200 listening the whole time he gets 2100 SATs blueberry rocks, 1217 01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,820 Curtis Peterson 10,000 SATs just wanted to hear the Pew Sam Sethi 1218 01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:52,110 Okay, something different from Sam 1000 SATs true fans has 1219 01:20:52,110 --> 01:20:54,810 enabled pod roll discovery if your show is listed in another 1220 01:20:54,810 --> 01:20:58,800 person's pod roll we can show that in your page. You can link 1221 01:20:58,980 --> 01:21:02,400 you can click on that show we will have the same for any music 1222 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,400 played on a music cast show you can then link to the music link 1223 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,950 and go to the backside of this discover this is what James was 1224 01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:12,780 working on. Yeah, so you can he's reverse reversing the pod 1225 01:21:12,780 --> 01:21:18,060 rolls by the way sam i i added another another show to the pod 1226 01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:21,600 roll and I don't see it updating on on pod fans yet so I don't 1227 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,590 know how you update the fans got true fans I'm sorry. But I would 1228 01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:29,970 love to see that update. Anonymous blueberry rules when 1229 01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:33,660 an exciting time for Wii for Wii hard hat. Mini striper boosts I 1230 01:21:33,660 --> 01:21:37,440 want to be on top blueberry himself with ADA ADA does this 1231 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,170 thing on Yeah, it is. I want to be on the scoreboards as Dobby 1232 01:21:40,170 --> 01:21:44,700 das with 5000 SATs and a millennial 6666 Is this 1233 01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:48,420 annoying? No, not at all. When you send us money No, it's not 1234 01:21:48,420 --> 01:21:54,420 annoying. 6969 from Dred Scott 7777 from Mike Newman Periscope 1235 01:21:54,420 --> 01:21:58,560 up thank you for your courage y'all any recent merges? 3333 1236 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,030 from anonymous go boop blueberry salted Crayon 777 Beef milkshake 1237 01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:07,080 2.0 test then I'm only doing the booster grams here sir Spencer 1238 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,020 while we sow we live scoreboard now in the boardroom Long live 1239 01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:14,340 brewery hail Eric peopIe put me in the screencap Ainsley again 1240 01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:17,820 scoreboard blueberry for the win 2100 Gay dead goats from na 1241 01:22:17,820 --> 01:22:23,100 millennial quackquack says dribs Scott we've got Eric our podcast 1242 01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:26,880 Space Invader vibes with that scoreboard. 3333 go podcasts and 1243 01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:30,750 then for yard work gents. For Macintosh 2100 Sam Sethi you 1244 01:22:30,750 --> 01:22:38,100 alive. Let's go. 1000 SATs Eric p p 33 333. I'm almost there. 1245 01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:40,620 Dave Jones: Yes. Hang in there. Yes. 1246 01:22:41,790 --> 01:22:44,400 Adam Curry: Then I hit the delimiter. So oh, there we go. 1247 01:22:44,430 --> 01:22:44,850 Okay. 1248 01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:48,930 Dave Jones: Take a breather. Bad. shoulder shoulder shoulder 1249 01:22:48,930 --> 01:22:49,800 massage. Yes. 1250 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,110 Adam Curry: Thank you. And turn on the massage chair. Yeah, 1251 01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:53,820 perfect. We 1252 01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:57,030 Dave Jones: got some. Get some paper towels. We get Oscar marry 1253 01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:59,010 $200 Whoa, 1254 01:22:59,040 --> 01:22:59,910 Adam Curry: thank you very much. 1255 01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:05,130 Unknown: Stock calm. Carla. 20 Blaze. Ohm am Paula. Thank you, 1256 01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:06,330 Adam Curry: brother. That's great. 1257 01:23:07,950 --> 01:23:11,940 Dave Jones: We got Yeah, so I talked to Oscar in email. He 1258 01:23:11,940 --> 01:23:17,040 said he's got the the fountain relay pretty much beats he said 1259 01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,160 his set is stable. So we should be able to start hooking into 1260 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:24,270 that to do some bridging on that overt act. Ah, nice. Nice. Nice. 1261 01:23:24,270 --> 01:23:27,270 Yeah. Okay, so hopefully hopefully get that going soon. 1262 01:23:28,530 --> 01:23:33,060 You were evidently on a show that I didn't know about. In 1263 01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:35,970 because we got a couple of boosts I mean, papers about 1264 01:23:35,970 --> 01:23:40,590 that. Elizabeth Pavlov sent $100 Oh 1265 01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:43,200 Unknown: Sakala 1266 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,540 Adam Curry: on Ambala the union of the unwanted yes 1267 01:23:48,540 --> 01:23:51,270 Dave Jones: it's just heard you on decentralized TV. 1268 01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:55,500 Adam Curry: Oh, no, that's that's on Oh, that's Mike Adams 1269 01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:59,160 the health Ranger on Bridey on Yeah, I did that a while of your 1270 01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,620 honor. You did a variety I did it right on man. Yeah, I was 1271 01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:05,880 like now I'm officially in the club and talked a lot about 1272 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,330 podcasting 2.0 If I can recall so that that might that might 1273 01:24:09,330 --> 01:24:10,710 have done it. Yeah, 1274 01:24:10,710 --> 01:24:12,900 Dave Jones: didn't nobody says she says just heard you on 1275 01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:16,230 decentralize TV Glory. Glory be to God in the highest Welcome to 1276 01:24:16,230 --> 01:24:18,690 the family and the neighborhood. We live 20 minutes from 1277 01:24:18,690 --> 01:24:21,000 Fredericksburg. Oh, Michael and Elizabeth peggeleh. 1278 01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:23,370 Adam Curry: Well, micron Elizabeth let's. Let's have a 1279 01:24:23,370 --> 01:24:25,080 drink at Java ranch. Let's have a coffee. 1280 01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:30,510 Dave Jones: Thank you, Elizabeth and Mike. And we got a legendary 1281 01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:33,960 Hall of Fame. podcaster Dave Jackson. Yeah, he $50 Well, 1282 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,280 thank you. Thanks to Adam for the kind words on decentralized 1283 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:39,630 TV deeply appreciate it. 1284 01:24:40,110 --> 01:24:43,920 Adam Curry: I mean, what was I doing? I don't know whatever you 1285 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,220 did. This interview was taped quite a while ago and I don't 1286 01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:49,440 know why but they hadn't posted it and then they said oh, no, 1287 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:54,120 we're we're posting it tomorrow. And I did I did. I posted on on 1288 01:24:54,150 --> 01:24:57,630 podcast index dot social so people can find it there. Yeah, 1289 01:24:57,630 --> 01:24:57,840 didn't 1290 01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,700 Dave Jones: even didn't even know about this. We got a couple 1291 01:24:59,700 --> 01:25:03,210 of boosts. Sounds like Whoa This must have been a big thing. Up 1292 01:25:03,210 --> 01:25:08,460 Beats Music podcasts and is $3.33 how the boardroom I read 1293 01:25:08,460 --> 01:25:12,600 from chat F of course you did the marketing arm of podcasting. 1294 01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:17,010 Yes there were a few music artists in index that never even 1295 01:25:17,010 --> 01:25:21,390 heard of booster Graham ball nor podcasting 2.0 Taking a note 1296 01:25:21,390 --> 01:25:24,300 from Texas slim on this one. Why are you here? What are your 1297 01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:27,390 intentions? Better start learning the Bitcoin ethos 1298 01:25:27,420 --> 01:25:30,450 artists you're shooting you're shorting yourselves knowledge 1299 01:25:30,450 --> 01:25:33,780 about decentralization and value the time to wake up and put in 1300 01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:36,630 the work if you want to survive in this value space this ain't 1301 01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:39,180 and Spotify or apple that's right as we're getting your 1302 01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:43,200 handheld like a baby or over five by five in the pie. Wow, 1303 01:25:43,380 --> 01:25:46,140 Adam Curry: perfect boost perfect donation. Perfect, 1304 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:49,590 perfect note and yes, I've been asking people on boosted gram 1305 01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:53,640 Balt please in your in your booster gram. Say I heard it on 1306 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,050 the booster gram ball. And you know that work someone? One of 1307 01:25:58,050 --> 01:26:03,360 the artists right away was on Nastar saying well, I don't know 1308 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:08,490 what this is Chad after the rescue. He slips in. Yeah, it 1309 01:26:08,490 --> 01:26:09,150 was beautiful. 1310 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,640 Dave Jones: Why don't we get $1 from a video Cut Pro rue. Not 1311 01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:18,030 sure what nationality that is. But thank you. Thank you. All 1312 01:26:18,030 --> 01:26:25,890 right. We got some get some boosts boost. See boost. dwelve 1313 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,650 sent us 5000 SATs the cast Matic. He says thanks for the 1314 01:26:28,650 --> 01:26:32,130 really good explanation of V four. V four v Adam and Dave. It 1315 01:26:32,130 --> 01:26:35,310 has really helped me understand the intent of values separated 1316 01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:36,300 from technology. 1317 01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,260 Adam Curry: A lot of people I'm glad we did that. Because many 1318 01:26:40,260 --> 01:26:45,060 people were like, Oh, I didn't know this. Thanks for clue me 1319 01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:47,850 and yeah, value number four value dot info if you want to 1320 01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,450 get a refresher or learn more or tell someone else about what 1321 01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:52,110 we're doing here. 1322 01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:54,750 Dave Jones: Karen at mere mortals send us essential 1323 01:26:54,750 --> 01:26:58,140 enrichers 1111 through Fanti says I've also heard there is a 1324 01:26:58,140 --> 01:27:00,990 very good podcast that explains value for value. 1325 01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:05,550 Adam Curry: I'm reliably informed. I've heard that value 1326 01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:07,890 for value podcast. Andrew 1327 01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:11,700 Dave Jones: grommets in us a row of dogs 2220 twos from the app 1328 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,310 called wherever he is and he's going 1329 01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:16,380 Adam Curry: to be on pod news weekly review soon I hear which 1330 01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:18,240 I'm very I'm delighted about that. 1331 01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:22,920 Dave Jones: Yes, Sam always he always scoops us before we get 1332 01:27:23,070 --> 01:27:26,400 to talk to people yes snatches them from us. Well, that's 1333 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,210 Adam Curry: Sam for you. 1334 01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,360 Dave Jones: Thanks for the V four v primer it's easy to miss 1335 01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,640 the forest for the trees appreciate the education and go 1336 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,080 podcasting go podcasting 1337 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:38,520 Adam Curry: yourself brother. The legendary Andrew Grumman 1338 01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:42,300 Dave Jones: RW Nash 2000 says they found he says because 1339 01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:44,730 you're doing things not just sitting back and complaining 1340 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:50,550 hashtag V for V. Anonymous 5000 SATs through pod verse he says 1341 01:27:50,580 --> 01:27:55,770 LoL is sending notes through PayPal. I've had better luck 1342 01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:58,650 sending cash through the post office. Thanks, God. Thank God 1343 01:27:58,650 --> 01:28:03,300 for booster grants. No, no one from anonymous sleepovers. I 1344 01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:05,850 still don't understand this aversion to equating V for V 1345 01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:09,840 with tipping. If V for V isn't tipping, wouldn't it mean that 1346 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,200 tipping your server isn't leave for V. I've seen the kind of 1347 01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,660 money earned by good servers compared to their hourly co 1348 01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:18,630 workers believe me, there's no shame in working for tips. While 1349 01:28:18,630 --> 01:28:22,560 Adam Curry: a podcast is not just the serve the serving of 1350 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:26,730 the podcast, it's the whole meal. So you're getting a whole 1351 01:28:26,730 --> 01:28:30,150 meal and the servers in one but you're not being charged 1352 01:28:30,150 --> 01:28:31,110 anything upfront. 1353 01:28:31,530 --> 01:28:34,740 Dave Jones: That's the waiter and the maitre d all wrapped up 1354 01:28:34,740 --> 01:28:37,320 into one and the restaurant and the recipe in the restaurant. 1355 01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:42,390 Yes. Jean been 20 to 22 through cast Maddie says please keep in 1356 01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:46,560 mind that some of us don't use stats for advertising. Yes. In 1357 01:28:46,590 --> 01:28:49,650 to clarify my comments from last week. I only used advertising as 1358 01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:55,200 my exempt my core examples because advertising there was an 1359 01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:59,160 accusation made against Mitch that he was quote defrauding 1360 01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:04,500 advertisers and so I that was the core of my argument. 1361 01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:09,210 Understood but but yeah, but we use them we use them to have 1362 01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:11,850 some insight into if people are listening as you will know 1363 01:29:11,850 --> 01:29:15,030 listener engagement is tiny for most podcasters and the stats 1364 01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:18,090 are all we got and all like downloads is a stat but I don't 1365 01:29:18,090 --> 01:29:21,930 have anything else. That's all you got. That's that is true as 1366 01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:26,370 if that's what if you want to know things gene been 2222 A 1367 01:29:26,370 --> 01:29:29,160 says as a follow up I sure hope the activity streams ideas come 1368 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,220 to fruition in a way that provides meaningful statistics, 1369 01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,470 irrespective of what ad tech cares about. 1370 01:29:34,740 --> 01:29:38,820 Adam Curry: It could and it'll be listeners choice to opt into 1371 01:29:38,820 --> 01:29:41,910 it and I can see why they would do that if you ask them. 1372 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,260 Dave Jones: And we got we got a delimiter comic strip blogger 1373 01:29:46,260 --> 01:29:53,370 2000 SATs. He says, all our gringos Adam and Dave, dive into 1374 01:29:53,370 --> 01:29:56,940 a captivating podcast with Jean and Ben, where they explore a 1375 01:29:56,940 --> 01:30:01,620 variety of topics from gun shows to genetics societal issues and 1376 01:30:01,620 --> 01:30:04,980 the science behind COVID vaccines. For more information 1377 01:30:04,980 --> 01:30:09,360 about this podcast please visit their website at www just two 1378 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,650 good old boys.com or search for just two good old boys and your 1379 01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:16,050 preferred podcast app. Yo CSB. 1380 01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,660 Adam Curry: Yo CSB promoting all the podcasts. Thank you, 1381 01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:21,540 brother. Appreciate Thank you got monthly bonus 1382 01:30:21,570 --> 01:30:23,490 Dave Jones: yet we got some others. You got a pot. We got 1383 01:30:23,490 --> 01:30:26,550 pod page. That's Brendan over there, pod page. $25. Thank you, 1384 01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:30,630 Brandon. Thank you. Cameron rose longtime been with us forever 1385 01:30:30,630 --> 01:30:34,050 cameras. $25. Thank you, Cameron, and Chad Farrow. The 1386 01:30:34,050 --> 01:30:37,110 marketing $20.22 1387 01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:40,200 Adam Curry: not to pay a pound Hey pal ducks. 1388 01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:45,990 Dave Jones: Randall black $5. Joseph maraca $5 Emilio Cano, 1389 01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:51,840 Molina $4, Martin Landeskog $1 and Mark Graham $1. 1390 01:30:52,590 --> 01:30:54,900 Adam Curry: Wow, thank you all very much. It is value for 1391 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:57,720 value. The value has been great today. We appreciate it. Of 1392 01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:02,940 course, we put blueberry and Eric peepee in the splits today 1393 01:31:02,970 --> 01:31:06,840 to make all of these all those wonderful sounds come alive and 1394 01:31:07,140 --> 01:31:10,950 to share the value of course, if you want to support podcasting 1395 01:31:10,950 --> 01:31:15,330 2.0 Not just this podcast, but the entire project go to podcast 1396 01:31:15,330 --> 01:31:19,620 index.org down at the bottom to read donation buttons one is for 1397 01:31:19,620 --> 01:31:25,500 the Whoa. Looks like whoa. Looks like we got some tally coin some 1398 01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:32,820 unchained coin. Know where Yeah, we got 33,010 Satoshis from 1399 01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:37,620 anonymous. Yesterday and on March 25. Keep it up. breedings 1400 01:31:37,620 --> 01:31:43,650 from the Netherlands lightning places.com 74,506 SATs. 1401 01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:49,290 Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze only Ambala. There is also 1402 01:31:49,290 --> 01:31:50,400 Adam Curry: a button. I'm sorry. 1403 01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:53,610 Dave Jones: What is that? What is lightning places that 1404 01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:56,460 Adam Curry: I have no idea. But something in the Netherlands? 1405 01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,290 Let me see lightning places.com. 1406 01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,420 Dave Jones: Let's see. Let's probably in Netherlands, 1407 01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:07,350 Adam Curry: I get a website that says lightning places.com Coming 1408 01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:11,220 soon. So they're coming soon. All right, 1409 01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:15,270 Dave Jones: some pre launch marketed as work and there's 1410 01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:18,240 Adam Curry: also a red donate button for your Fiat fun coupons 1411 01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,910 through the PayPal. We accept those Of course. Thank you all 1412 01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:24,600 so much for supporting us. We are here for the community and 1413 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,840 we are proud of the legacy we'll all be leaving look at these 1414 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,230 young kids like blueberry coming up who we thank, of course, for 1415 01:32:31,470 --> 01:32:36,030 for being on the show today. And our and our entire boardroom. 1416 01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:40,200 Thank you for joining us. We do it live every single Friday 1417 01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:44,730 afternoon. And I hope we'll have one next week. Dave because as 1418 01:32:44,730 --> 01:32:48,510 you know, we are in the totality zone here in Fredericksburg, 1419 01:32:48,510 --> 01:32:53,880 Texas. And you know, we've got the big the big solar eclipse 1420 01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,900 happening on Monday and who knows if we'll survive it. 1421 01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,720 Dave Jones: That's gonna be a bust because it's gonna be 1422 01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,250 overcast. It's I 1423 01:33:02,250 --> 01:33:06,570 Adam Curry: know 40% chance of rain, overcast? No, 1424 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,690 Dave Jones: although many millions of dollars were made on 1425 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,630 eclipse glasses for a thing that you're not even gonna be able to 1426 01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:14,190 see. Yeah, 1427 01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:16,620 Adam Curry: well, there's there's it was a it was a big 1428 01:33:16,620 --> 01:33:20,370 hype, I think was overhyped, despite the wet even before the 1429 01:33:20,370 --> 01:33:23,790 weather reports we were seeing in Fredericksburg that the 1430 01:33:23,850 --> 01:33:27,240 hotels were not fully booked up the Airbnbs were not fully 1431 01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,120 booked up. So I think people just got to a point where I'm 1432 01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,310 like crazy if the end of the world's coming I want to be at 1433 01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:38,340 home with my fridge. I want to watch TV. I don't buy don't have 1434 01:33:38,340 --> 01:33:40,950 to be a part of the destruction. Although we did get that nice 1435 01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:44,580 earthquake in the New York tri state area today. It was kind of 1436 01:33:44,580 --> 01:33:49,800 interesting. That's rare this, I'd say it's very rare. I lived 1437 01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,440 there for many years. I can't remember an earthquake in the 1438 01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:55,530 New York area. So we 1439 01:33:55,620 --> 01:33:58,830 Dave Jones: we didn't even mean we didn't even scratch one. We 1440 01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:01,770 didn't even hit one thing on my on my notes. But I did want to 1441 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:07,440 like there's like 100 things I wanted to talk about. But I 1442 01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,950 didn't want to say thank you to Eric PP and Steven crater, they 1443 01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:16,260 fixed the TLV missing episode guity. Yes, thank you very much 1444 01:34:16,290 --> 01:34:22,710 on Win Win from the PR website. And I'm hoping I'm hoping next 1445 01:34:22,980 --> 01:34:25,710 next week since we'll have we won't have a guest next week. So 1446 01:34:25,710 --> 01:34:29,130 I'm hoping that we'll be able to dig into I want to talk about 1447 01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:33,660 the part the our podcasts index dashboard. Yes, because I've 1448 01:34:33,660 --> 01:34:37,020 been digging into that a lot because I want to talk about how 1449 01:34:37,050 --> 01:34:42,870 how we're going to use that. Okay, and then, you know, we had 1450 01:34:42,930 --> 01:34:49,140 this we, we did the publisher feed spec this morning, I put 1451 01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:54,690 put that into the namespace as a as a draft. Yeah. So we'll we'll 1452 01:34:54,690 --> 01:34:56,070 talk about that too. Yeah, 1453 01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:59,070 Adam Curry: maybe the music tags and all that stuff comes along 1454 01:34:59,070 --> 01:34:59,970 with the category 1455 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,820 Dave Jones: He has so much to talk about Yeah. Yeah so much 1456 01:35:02,820 --> 01:35:07,050 Tommy the cat the categories because that that seems to be 1457 01:35:07,050 --> 01:35:10,200 the gist of what is needed right now we need the publisher stuff 1458 01:35:10,590 --> 01:35:15,600 there and we need the music. Like not It's not specifically 1459 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,630 from us we need some of these keyword category type things. 1460 01:35:18,630 --> 01:35:21,690 Yeah. Yep. Think about that next week. 1461 01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:24,420 Adam Curry: Okay, well, you know, I'm glad it's just you and 1462 01:35:24,420 --> 01:35:27,390 me next week you bring your agenda and I'll just sit back 1463 01:35:27,390 --> 01:35:28,890 and make snide comments. 1464 01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:34,080 Dave Jones: Okay typical border Yeah, 1465 01:35:34,110 --> 01:35:36,240 Adam Curry: yeah, the way we usually run my brother I love 1466 01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,510 you thank you so much for for taking your lunch break to do 1467 01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:42,990 this. You going back I presume a lot more to do before April 15. 1468 01:35:43,020 --> 01:35:43,710 Pretty busy. 1469 01:35:44,430 --> 01:35:46,800 Dave Jones: Yep. Yeah. And hopefully hopefully, yeah, this 1470 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,830 is this is straggler week. All the people that are hair on 1471 01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:51,780 fire. Oh my god, can you do my taxes? 1472 01:35:53,370 --> 01:35:57,000 Adam Curry: Alright brother, take care. Everybody in the 1473 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,250 boardroom. Thank you for being here. We'll see you next Friday 1474 01:35:59,250 --> 01:36:00,270 right here on podcasts. 1475 01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:21,660 Unknown: You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast 1476 01:36:21,690 --> 01:36:25,770 index.org For more information, podcast. 1477 01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:28,740 Dave Jones: This is not good for my mental health.