Adam Curry: podcasting two point over September 22 2023, episode
147 We're like lavender Oh yeah. Hello everybody, welcome once
again to podcasting 2.0 Your Friday afternoon deadlights we
are the only boardroom that cannot be de platformed and it
is here that we discussed the future of podcasting, podcasting
that is now everything going on a podcast index.org a namespace
and of course all the happenings of podcasts index dot social.
I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in
Alabama. He streams he screams he's the man of your dreams
ladies and gentlemen say hello to my friend now on the other
end the Wonderlic Mr. Dave Jones
Dave Jones: it's always a race to get that last bite of food
swallow for you and into the intro. Say my name because I'm
like I'm like chewing like a furious maniac
Adam Curry: you know, we could we could always just wait until
you're you know until you're done and then you know then
start the show is really not a problem.
Dave Jones: By the way I get down to it. We get we gotta we
gotta move.
Adam Curry: We got got stuff to do baby got stuff to handle. And
we got a guest today as well. So there's lots going on here the
podcast and 2.0 show. And crazy enough. When it rains it pours.
You brought clips and I brought clips. No, we both brought the
clips. No, no, we did not bring the same clips. And today, I'm
going to step aside and say, Dave, first of all, how you
doing? I doing, brother?
Dave Jones: I'm good. Yeah, what
Adam Curry: you've been working on even working on anything.
Dave Jones: That wasn't on a roast beef sandwich. For the
last 12 minutes.
Adam Curry: How's the office? Is the office okay, everything good
with the office? The office is fine. Yeah, not too bad. Oh,
good.
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. We everything's going good. I was
very grumpy last week.
Adam Curry: What during the show? Well, no, I thought I
thought I thought I brought you I thought I lifted you up a
little bit near near the end there.
Dave Jones: Yeah, this is a much better. This is like back to
normal baseline Dave, this week. I'm feeling good. A figure, you
know, figured out what my issue was last week. The the enemy had
invaded and thrown a smoke bomb on me. That's exactly what it
was.
Adam Curry: When you started wishing gonorrhea on people I
knew something was off. This is not this is not mobile, not to
Dave Jones. And by the way, the AI transcription service got
caught it it spelled gonorrhea correctly. Was very
Dave Jones: lazy it can it can it spelled gonorrhea. But it
can't spell Johnson.
Adam Curry: No matter how many times I correct it. It's aI it's
great. It's exactly what oh, man so my have a start nine pro here
in the in the shack.
Dave Jones: Is this the start nine that won't run helipad,
because I haven't done my thing. No, no,
Adam Curry: no, it's run Hello, Pat. I just couldn't upgrade.
And in fact, Aaron, PP cut me a new I guess there's an APK. I
think, oddly enough, he caught me he caught me a new whatever
it is. And so I upgraded so I'm now on to a new whatever it new
whatever it is, and it upgraded I actually had to had to delete
the old upgrade path. That part doesn't work. So I had to delete
and then side load it and works perfectly. In fact, I've am
trans it's so stable. The Start nine as a Bitcoin node as a
lightning node. I'm transitioning everything away
from the surface laptop that has kind of been the, you know, my
node for forever, which does from time to time, just kind of
freeze up and do weird stuff.
Dave Jones: As as as one has as an umbrella. Yes, as the surface
lineup is known to do
Adam Curry: yes, as the combo surface umbrellas. It's just not
a good combo. Really. That's a terrible, you know, and then if
it freezes, and it comes back up, and you have a new logical
drive, and you have to remove Docker containers, and you know,
it's a whole pain in the butt. So the start nine is beautiful.
I mean, you know, some you can throw it against the wall just
rebooted. It's kind of Mac like in that way just works. And they
released that chat GPT and defusion for the start OS. So
I've been playing me a screenshot of this. Yeah. So I
played around, I think it's eight or nine different models.
They have LLM 's and I've been messing around with it. And it's
I mean compared to the Umbral, it's super fast, I mean, it's
fast. And you can you can load the I think pretty big like
this, this there's one seven gigabyte model, I think which
will take a little longer to get a response. And in general, it's
pathetic. I mean, all the stuff I've done with it does scripture
really well if you're looking for scripture that you know?
There's so much the scriptures kind of open source you know,
it's like it's been around for a while. So There's a there's a
lot of stuff oh, gee boss, it really is. So there's, there's a
lot of text available. And that in the context of that is quite
good. So I was looking for something and boom, it'll, it'll
bring it right up. It's it's actually quite, quite good at
that. But everything else, you know, don't use it as some kind
of knowledge engine, you know, if you want it, you know, like,
who was Adam curry? You know, before you know what I went to
the college de Weiner went to I mean, it's so stupid.
Dave Jones: It makes so much sense. Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah, it's just but I guess for writing, you know,
some things it's used. But anyway, it's just, it's, I'm
really blown away by the, by the robustness of the Start OS. But
then, of course, particularly, the start nine pro because it's,
I think it's the purism hardware, as good, it's just
solid, I'm just making me very, very happy. It runs all his run
runs everything. Well.
Dave Jones: So the LLM is run. It's, you're saying it's
passable? Like it can get the job done in a pinch? Like it's
not going to beat you? Because it's not, it's clearly not GPU
accelerated? No,
Adam Curry: no, but it's all it's not slow. It's not slow at
all. It's not as fast as GPT three, you know, the chat dot
open ai.whatever.or, that that goes faster. But result wise,
it's, it's the same, I mean, it will give me the same bad
results.
Dave Jones: Just a little bit without much waiting. Yeah, just
Adam Curry: a little slower, just a little bit slower.
There's not too much of a problem.
Dave Jones: A buddy of mine runs a has a decent graphics card of
his, you know, $500 graphics card. And which is not
unreasonable in that market. I mean, that's that's pretty
normal run of the mill. But anyway, he he has that it's got
a think 16 gigs of RAM on his onboard on the card. And that is
enough to just run pretty much any LLM out there. And the cool
thing of what he showed me is like, when it comes to the one
thing LLS can do, and this makes a lot of sense, because I think
they can do code programming better than they can natural
language. Because natural language has lots of nuance.
Adam Curry: Oh, you know, and yes, you know, yes, it does. It
does scripting very well. You know, I've done some shell
scripts. Oh, very by the way, it's the it's the pure not the
Pro to start nine server pure. That's the one that it is. Yeah.
Oh, you're scripting it does. phenom. I mean, I've run a
couple of scripts, just simple. By just I'm just looking for a
shell script into something very easy because I can I can look at
a shell script and go, Oh, I get it. And those work. Those work
fine. And pretty quickly.
Dave Jones: It's so good that for us. So like one of the this
this sort of is not a secret project. But it's just one of
these things I'm working on that I was going to talk to you about
later. Is it required? So do you remember limit?
Adam Curry: Is this where we say in the board meeting? Yeah,
we'll talk about that offline.
Dave Jones: Oh, Lord, no. Yeah, pretty. I don't we really don't
have any. Really,
Adam Curry: we don't even talk at all. This is this is this is
our weekly chat. That's true.
Dave Jones: But the I mean, I go ahead to bed, so I will paste
me. Let me just paste this into the chat into this even into the
chat chat into the IRC
Adam Curry: or Oh, okay. All right. Do not execute whatever
code Dave is about to paste everybody do not execute it.
Whatever's going on, do not execute. Just go
Dave Jones: ahead and pipe it to bash it'll be fun. Okay, let's
see if this is gonna see if this is fun, because it may crash
thing.
Adam Curry: So this is AI code that you've
Dave Jones: ran on is not a no.
Adam Curry: This is Oh, do you see that? When I see that? Yeah,
let me hit that. I'm gonna hit let me let me hit that. Hit it
Radio dot book. I'm not gonna mention the URL. Let me see.
Yeah, okay, because it's not coming up yet.
Dave Jones: Not coming up.
Adam Curry: Should it be an HTTPS? Is it
Dave Jones: No, it should not be HTTPS.
Adam Curry: Well, that shouldn't it's not coming up here from me.
Dave Jones: Hmm, let's see if it comes up for me. I may have just
given everybody a false hope.
Adam Curry: Thanks. See, I got can't be reached.
Dave Jones: You need to do to
Adam Curry: does this. Does this as port 8000 That's the idea
here.
Dave Jones: Huh? Well, that's not that's not working. Well,
what I was
Adam Curry: saying Thanks for Thanks for nothing. Is a real
downer. Now like what were you working on? On one stream some
kind of stream of some some sorts. Oh
Dave Jones: Mita says he's here in something. Okay. But it's
evidently not working for some people and some
Adam Curry: people it is work. Could there be a block here? I
see.
Dave Jones: Like, I've noticed this some browsers just God,
they do not want to do HTTP like, Oh, no kidding.
Adam Curry: No kidding. Let me try this browser. I got another
browser here. Well, if metus could hear it, then something's
working.
Dave Jones: Or what actually worked pretty well. Oh, here we
Adam Curry: go. That whatever that is. You got it. Yeah, I use
the I use my Tor Browser. Funny enough.
Dave Jones: Okay, so what this is,
Adam Curry: let me guess. Is this the top 100 Playing in real
time?
Dave Jones: It is not the top 100. Okay. It is. Oh, is a
Adam Curry: combo of all the music podcasts? Yes. I love it.
I love it.
Dave Jones: It's basically value for value radio. So all if you
have a DJ show, the other music show. Yeah, it'll show up here.
It will be it will begin to play through this ice cast server.
Adam Curry: Now how do I how do I send boost to it?
Dave Jones: That's That's why That's why That's why
Adam Curry: it's a test. Yeah. Okay,
Dave Jones: so here, here's the here's the here's the deal. So
Jen, Jason, over what's his? What's his buddy's name that
that works on podcasts. Get Ready With
Unknown: almost breaking the chains of music tear
Dave Jones: dressers? That's
Adam Curry: nice. Okay. All right, Jason. Jason, what
Dave Jones: is it? Jason? I can't remember his name. Alex.
Maybe? over it. Podcast podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So they want to
support live that your time splits? You know? Yeah. And we
don't. So Steven B created that live the way he's doing it now.
Is he's doing it with a lot with a socket, the web socket io
WebSocket. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not actually web socket.
socket.io. Okay, I'm gonna stop and which is a, like a hosted
socket. Socket service. So he's, he's, he created that just to
facilitate what he was doing. He's like, Okay, we're going to
do live we need to some way to signal during the live
broadcast. That that, uh, that a split has changed, right. So
what are that a song a different song is now a
Adam Curry: different a different block is active. Let's
put it that way. Yeah, yeah.
Dave Jones: The wallet squishing technology has activated.
Adam Curry: That's catching on that wallet. Switching
technology. Everyone's using it. Yeah. WSD Yeah, I love it. It's
actually M ws T magic wallet switching technology.
Dave Jones: So he, so he brought that he brought that to life.
But it's not as it's not documented anywhere. It's not a
standard. There's no nobody else knows how to do this. It's just
purely a curio casters flip case, but kids
Adam Curry: kind of just kind of works in the in that in that
environment? Yes, I use it regularly.
Dave Jones: It is the nonmagical wallet switching technology.
It's basically the hidden the cloaked the clogged wallet
itself. So we so I figured this would be a way to if I bring up
a 24/7 lady radio stream of all the DJ shows. Yeah. Then we can
use that as a as a sandbox in order to hammer down what how we
do this. This? Yeah, what socket protocol needs to be okay. So we
is oh, so I'll just bring out whatever we decide. I'll bring
up a socket next to it. Then we can figure and then I'm going to
put a feed on this. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So there'll be you
know, it'd be 24/7 value or so you know, whatever the name of
the station is and then I'll play it I'll have a fee and then
you can play it in all the different podcast apps and then
we'll have to figure out how to signal the socket protocol.
Adam Curry: Wow, this is exactly what I was talking about. Unlike
the last booster Graham ball. I said someday in the future. I
can envision dot dot dot. I said a 24 hour stream of music shows
and youth and here it is. I didn't even ask you this time.
You just
Dave Jones: didn't even hear you say that.
Adam Curry: This is how good we are. This is how good we are day
we don't have to talk to each other.
Dave Jones: The VA Vulcan mind meld has reached his full
maturity.
Adam Curry: This is what no agenda stream needs as well. I
mean, this this is this to be able to do this on any ice cast
server. It would be a huge deal. Huge deal.
Dave Jones: Agreed. Agree. Yeah, we need a standard protocol
socket protocol for this. If so, you know the first thought I had
was it was doing what you said originally was like, just
playing all the songs. And I'm like, You know what, but that's
not a radio station, the radio station, as DJs has shows
exactly as shows, yeah. And then it solidified it when when I
heard sir Libra say, on a podcast index dot social that he
had not made very much been a boost may not very made very
much in boosts. He was disappointed. And he was like,
Well, how should I do my marketing? Like, how should I
market my my shows we get more people interested in listening?
I'm like, Okay, well, this is that this is what we need to do.
We need to have some sort of stream out there or radio thing
where people can listen to these shows. Now, long term. I mean,
do we want to host them like this add on? No, it's a set.
It's a sandbox. And that kind of stuff can get expensive. But I
think at least for a model of how to do it, that this is what
it this is what value for value radio would look like, right?
Adam Curry: Yeah. Now this is exactly this is what I want. I
want to get in my car. I want to just flip on my, my toilet
scroller What has my wallet set up and, you know, I've got 200
SATs a minute or whatever. And I just want to continuously be
listening and drain my wallet while I'm listening. And I want
the websites to go to the DJs I want the staff to go to the
artists. That's exactly it.
Dave Jones: Cool. Okay. Beautiful.
Adam Curry: Well done. I love it. I love it.
Dave Jones: I gotta get I gotta get the SSL or the TLS stuff
figured out. Yeah, like I said, it's not ready for primetime. So
I just want to that's why I only put it in the chat because I
didn't want to like you know, get a bunch of hammered on the
hammers on that URL.
Adam Curry: I'm excited. I'm excited. Can I use your ISO?
Dave Jones: What I said, Oh, yeah, go for it.
Adam Curry: This feels good. Yeah. Look like the perfect ISO
to me.
Dave Jones: So far. It will always. Yeah, okay. That's what
I've been working on. I had to learn icecast and easy stream.
Yeah, that's
Adam Curry: about it. That's not trivial. It's not trivial. Very
nice. They're very nice.
Dave Jones: I forgot what, oh, I don't remember why I brought
this up. I remember now. Okay, so the the point was that Do you
remember this little program that I wrote called sucky?
Adam Curry: Yes. Yes, I do.
Dave Jones: Okay. So it all it does is sucks down you give it a
feed URL and it looks it parses the the podcast feed, and then
sucks all the enclosures down? So it's just basically an
archival Yes, you just give it a feed in at archives.
Adam Curry: That was one of your more appropriately named.
Scripts sucky?
Dave Jones: Yes. Yes, sir. This sucks. Yes. So that's, I was
sucky forms the, the, the, the bedrock of the vif value 27 24/7
radio so because it has its it constantly polling feeding
Adam Curry: and continuously pulls in the new show?
Dave Jones: Yes. So you give it the list of feed URLs and then
it's just constantly just going in making sure it's up to date
and it's got the latest shows and everything and
Adam Curry: doesn't doesn't replace so so. So it's playing
like booster Grand Ball number eight now, when number nine is
available, just automatically swap that out? Or does it keep
eight in for a while does it have multiple what is it doing?
Dave Jones: Perfectly it's it's the shuffle setting and easy
string.
Adam Curry: Okay, I love it. It's fantastic.
Dave Jones: Yes. So they but as I was looking so sucky has a
very, very tiny program like, I don't know, couple 100 lines of
code doesn't take much in rock. It does. Actually, you can suck
with very few lines, very few lines of code. But the is as I
was, as I was looking at this, this is written in rust. And I
was I was looking at it I was like, you know, I could have
probably written this whole thing with an LLM.
Adam Curry: Yeah, of course.
Dave Jones: Just look at the structure of it. You're like if
you just say, give me a rust program to download an HD no a
RSS feed a podcast feed in parse it and download each attachment
one after another hears about you, which
Adam Curry: is what I said write a rush script to download mp3
from a podcast RSS feed. Perfect. We're waiting. It's got
three dots. It's going to do well I mean a very Small model
actually, I've been the Marx three B. Here we go create an
account on a website like Libsyn or Feedburner. That allows you
to create an RSS feed for your podcast download a script called
RSS reader. Oh, this is not writing me a script. This is
giving me a script to read on the show. No.
Dave Jones: I wonder if it's because you use the word script
instead of like something like source code.
Adam Curry: Okay, that's right. Let's try that. And otherwise,
I'll try to write rust source code. Otherwise, I'll try
different LM while we're while we're doing something else.
Dave Jones: Our guest is proficient at rest. He could
have probably already written this program and the time it
takes to type it into
Adam Curry: the Why don't we bring our guest in because he's
it's not like he doesn't know what he's talking about when it
comes to all this stuff. I mean, he is kind of bleeding somewhat
of the value for value hosting revolution, would you say? I
would say I would say I think we bring him in and you know, when
he can participate in everything, including listening
to our clips, because we got a lot to talk about. Ladies and
gentlemen, please welcome to the boardroom. From rssb.com W Das.
Hello. Hello. Oh, London Master.
Dave Jones: You're a master of the pregnant. Suspense. Yeah,
Adam Curry: very nice. Very nice. Hello, David.
Dovydas: It was very difficult to decide how enthusiastic you
should be when entering a podcast. No, if you are too
reserved, people are gonna think you're boring. And if you are
doing fantastic, people are gonna think you're someone like
Howard Dean.
Adam Curry: Wait, I have this I have the Dean scream somewhere.
Interesting.
Dave Jones: Not too much. You cannot be too
Adam Curry: narrow it is. Although the new the new one.
The new scream is the did you hear that? The guy who was the
witness to the F 35. Crash was
Dave Jones: bad on taking the shave. And I heard a speech and
saw that between a speech and a whistle this
Adam Curry: guy's the best pipe
you got to see this guy is phenomenal.
Dave Jones: This almost the goat screen. This is
Adam Curry: it is very close. It's very close to the goat
scream, in fact, extremely close to WDS. Now, we've had you on
the show before, haven't we? Oh, am I mistaken?
Dovydas: I don't think so they remember that?
Adam Curry: Oh, man negative. Well, that's lame. And so I
didn't even know that you were in London to start with. You've
been there for eight years. I learned in our little preamble.
Dovydas: I had Yes. Yesterday was my eight year anniversary.
Oh, arriving here.
Adam Curry: Congratulations. Now do you? Do you have a British
citizenship? Or are you working on a visa? What changed with
Brexit?
Dovydas: So after Brexit, what happened? The European Union
citizens, which I am, were offered essentially a scheme to
stay in the UK using what they call settled status. So that's
what I have now. And I essentially have an indefinite
right to remain here.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's nice, because the European Union did
not offer the same courtesy to British citizens. I was in
Spain. And you know, there was this little village speeches.
And it had a British Polo Club at a British school and they
were all closed. Everybody had
Dave Jones: to leave? Yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Where are you from? Originally? David does.
Dovydas: I'm originally from Lithuania. In Europe,
Adam Curry: now, I must say right off the bat that my wife
Tina, the keeper is half Lithuanian. Wow. Yes. Nice. I
always call her a semi backup Russian. If we run out of
Russians, we can always use the list of women. That'd be fine.
be fine to use your guys.
Dave Jones: Emergency bread break glass in case of lack of
rushes. Yes.
Adam Curry: So So we definitely want to get your input on on a
lot of this stuff at WWE. You've built an interesting company,
because I think it's I have heard an interview with you. And
I think it's just you who's who's doing all of the work at
RSS blue.com.
Dovydas: That's correct. So I do have a day job. But in my spare
time, I have built ours as blue, which is essentially just
attempt to bring modern standards to podcasting and
offer a better experience than anything that closed source and
essentially proprietary standards could offer let's say
in Spotify or Apple
Adam Curry: well, you're doing a fine job because I You're so
ahead of the game that I see While we talked about it on
podcast, index dot social, you even now have an on ramp for
musicians for people to get their music up. And I haven't
gone through the path, but I presume it makes it clear how
they fill out the right fields and make it albums and since and
tracks etc.
Dovydas: Oh, that's correct. So what do we do have an RSS blue
is essentially an interface that is actually dependent on the
medium you choose. So you can have a regular podcast. But you
can also set the medium to music, which will interpret your
podcast as a music album. So you will see the front interface
where you will be asked instead of episodes to upload tracks,
you will see specific fields for things like lyrics, and so on.
And there is a very accessible interface to essentially enable
the value for value. And we support the most general
standard. Essentially, you can use any wallet you want Albea
fountain, anything else that supports key send protocol. And
essentially, the next step would be to enable music shows. So
value times and then yeah,
Adam Curry: magic. Switching technology. That's right.
Dovydas: So that's the next thing I'm going to work on.
Adam Curry: Do you have? Do you have mute? People using the
medium equals music tag yet?
Dovydas: So there are a few albums on ours as blue. So I'll
admit, while lake a is currently dominating that area, but I feel
our says blue can offer a superior experience because we
actually offer the full D for a model with splits. Yeah, nice
and everything.
Adam Curry: Beautiful. Beautiful.
Dave Jones: So are you do you have integration? When you do
you have integration with Albion fountains so that you could if
you're a podcaster, you can switch fire up a wallet from
there from the from the your UI? Or do you have to go and get all
that information and then plug it in like bit by bit to write
your UI. Right, right, right. So
Dovydas: I wanted to avoid very coupled integration. So I want
to have a service RS as blue, which, like UNIX, you know, does
one thing and does it well. But what I do use is these public
protocols, where people don't even need to log in to
essentially retrieve their details from Alby or fountain,
all we have to enter is their lightning address, like
adam@fountain.fm. And all of these details are essentially
automatically retrieved. And I believe ours Blue was the first
company to do that. And I've seen other companies now adopt
this kind of approach. Yeah, as
Adam Curry: sovereign feeds is use this for quite a while. I'll
give Stephen Bell some props he has, he has a when you when you
do your value block. It has. It has all this, you know, it has
found and it has Alby and and
Dovydas: so I think this was adapted from ours as blue,
really, because we did that. This was done last year, and I
think someone from Alby essentially suggested to do the
same in sovereign feats.
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah. You could have in hive as well. I
see. I see. I see that sovereign feeds has used V for v dot app.
For the hive thing.
Dovydas: Right. Right. Right. So I had that too, essentially. So
we have essentially three buttons. B and, and hive. Yeah.
But now I have a very general interface, where essentially,
you just enter any blinding address. And it attempts to
retrieve the details using the key send protocol, which is, you
know, just like a URL. Right, right. Right.
Adam Curry: Nice. Well, that's so cool, man. And I guess I
would, I would ask, you know, I know how Dave's life runs, you
know, he has a day job. And I think he sits at his desk, and
is probably looking at the logs of the index and all of the
servers all the time, and probably not really not really
doing his his real job. Do you see? Are you able to combine
this?
Dovydas: I mean, it's difficult. It's difficult, because I'm so
enthusiastic about this project. But yes, it's a difficult thing
to balance. And, you know, in the future, I would ideally want
to shift the shift to two entirely, ours as blue, right to
spend all my time on this project, because I feel this is
just so important. And something that I'm passionate about,
Adam Curry: how close are you? Do you think, is it just a
matter of getting more customers, I presume, or would
that also meet need means you have to scale helpdesk, etc?
Dovydas: Well, it's difficult. I mean, ideally, I would want to
bootstrap to essentially have enough customers so that I can
do this full time but For external funding is not out of
the question. So I will see what's the best approach
essentially? Make this my full time job?
Dave Jones: What is your what's your stack look like? WDS? Would
What is your was your back end? How's that built? I have to see
what you're doing. But yeah, lay that out for me.
Dovydas: Right. So one thing I hate is JavaScript. So there is
just a minimum, high five, just on the front end. But the back
end is powered mostly by go. So it's a simple language that can
easily manage many requests at a time, are simple to write in,
and so on. But recently, I've been starting to move some of
the stuff to rust. Because I feel it provides a lot of
compile time safety control, it's very rich type system.
Again, it's not easy, because rust is so essentially
innovative, that some of the other parts that have to
interact with it don't work as well. So for example, if you
look at databases, there's often a mismatch of what can be
expressed interest and what can actually be expressed in
database like post Postgres or something like that.
Dave Jones: So do you think what are your feelings about go
versus async? Ross? Do you think that that's, I've there's a lot
of rumblings right now about async. Rust being just not?
Adam Curry: Yeah, if I, if I could just if I could just say I
totally agree. I think async rust is just a total pain in the
ass.
Dave Jones: Yeah, it is. Yeah, I knew you felt that way. That's
what I brought up. Just
Adam Curry: want to let you know, I don't know, Adobe does
things. Yeah.
Dovydas: So what do you mean, they've? I'm not really familiar
with that debate.
Dave Jones: There's a lot of people think that is ill
conceived. That is basically that there's going to be some
sort of rewrite that goes on because of the interruption.
Some of the assumptions. Yeah, they specifically the
asynchronous part, to bring it more in line with something like
go where the where parallelizing is, is way easier.
Dovydas: So I'll admit, I don't have that much experience of
that. What I know is that Ross, for example, lacks some
functionality, some async functionality in certain parts
of the language. So for example, you can't you can't really do
methods, like implementations that are async, you essentially
just have to have separate functions that are async. But to
be honest,
Dave Jones: I haven't really familiarized myself with that
part. Okay, just just just thought of it as the what can
you lay out what, I have a list here on the on the Apps page of
what tags you support? But this may not be up to date, what what
do you have currently on 2.0 tags.
Dovydas: So one of the main features, as we've discussed is
value for value. And again, it's one thing to essentially
implement the feature. And it's really hard thing to do it well
with a very easy to understand interface. So that's what I've
essentially been doing for a long time to essentially perfect
the intuitive nature of value for value, the fact that you can
have multiple recipients of value, that they can have
different splits, and that these addresses can come from multiple
services. have, you know, a lot of orgasm. Yep.
Adam Curry: I'm sorry. I know that really, what it comes down
to in the hosting game is, you know, it's the tools, there's I
would say a lot of customers go for pricing, and I know that you
have like a base price of five or $6 a month, which is quite
low. Have you considered this since you are kind of early in
the game or in the early in the in the evolution of the company
and the products, but also in as a business? Have you considered
doing pure value for value and taking a split in lieu of
regular payment?
Dovydas: I have dope, to be honest, it is kind of difficult
to ensure that the company gets paid the fair amount. So if we
do, for example, enable a feature of instead of you know,
collecting some subscription fee per month, let's say maybe
instead of doing the value split, it doesn't really
guarantee that the podcasters are going to ask for that value.
Throughout all the, their episodes, don't ask for value
that no one is going to send that value and the company's
going is not going to receive it either. So I think that's the
main difficulty.
Adam Curry: Yeah, is I mean, it does require a little closer
communication, I would say with your customers.
Dave Jones: Honestly, I don't think you even have to go as
loose as that. I mean, so, to my knowledge, there's no podcast
hosting company around that will just take Bitcoin as payment. I
mean, even if you just sent a lightning invoice so there's
that if you just send a lightning invoice once a month
for the monthly hosting fee.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you'd attract the right customers.
Dave Jones: Right? Yeah. And they might be more likely for
that. But you know, like, you're not saying, well, here you can
have you can be hosted and then just, you know, pay what you
want. You're saying, Well, hey, there is a minimum cost, and
we're gonna bill you for that if you don't meet it. Each month,
we're gonna min we're gonna bill you for that by sending you a,
you know, like a heat lightning invoice in your email each
month. And if you don't pay, I mean, we're gonna cut you off
like anybody else. That that would be because
Adam Curry: I would send people I would send people to you, if
if you did that nine, and the people I send are high quality?
Of course.
Dovydas: Of course. Me It's difficult. It's difficult to you
also don't want to appear that you're taking too much, you
know, if there's some minimum monthly fee, and then on top,
there's some split. You know, some people may feel this is
just too much taken from what they rightfully earn.
Dave Jones: I think you'd be surprised. Yeah, I
Adam Curry: think I think it'd be surprised to I, I know
several people who use Well, let's put it this way. I've cut
people into my value blocks, and they make more than $6 a month.
For for stuff they do or stuff they've done or for technology
we're using they make significantly more than that.
And, and you know, it's something about it Dolby das
that as as a podcaster. I kind of just like forgot, you know,
it's like it's just a part of life. And it hasn't Hey, my
script is done. Oh, hold on a second. Now, you need to have
the the request. Thing installed here, put it in the chat. There
we go. So I need that. Okay, check it out. I'm sorry. I
didn't mean to interrupt, but I just want to paste this.
Dave Jones: Yes, that's legit. That's legit. Oh, hold on. Are
you gonna post this in? Like?
Adam Curry: No. Oh, no, it's not done. I'm sorry. It's still it's
still producing, producing. Yeah, but it's writing. It's
writing I want
Dave Jones: you to, I want you to paste this rust or Sudan into
IRC one by line and then have the boost boost by compiler.
Adam Curry: That will, that will be cool. It's just something to
consider Dobby does. I got a lot of fun. I think Dave does, too.
I have so many feelings about what's happening with
podcasting. You know, the podcast industrial complex,
which people still believe is a $2 billion advertising market in
the United States alone. I'm just I'm just blown away by the
by this this statistic, which is there's no evidence whatsoever,
I cannot find the money. Now I can find 100 million. Sure.
Yeah, there's typecast
Dave Jones: podcast one down to $2.11,
Adam Curry: which is, which is a travesty. I mean, it is because
the people on the inside who got options. And me when I read that
they're going to you know, we're going to issue stock. Now, I
think that's a that's kind of a punt. They have to restrike the
options, I had to do this myself. So I know this pain,
where you have employees and podcasts and you said, Okay,
we're gonna let you buy, we're gonna give you stock at $3. So
it comes out at eight, but you have a lock up for 90 days. So
you can't you can't do anything with it. That which sometimes
it's longer than 90 days. And and then people see their
options are underwater. So you essentially are the loss if you
wanted to convert them, you'd have to, you'd have to pay money
just to get the stock. And it takes many, many quarters of
good numbers with good I mean, on on projection. You don't have
to make profit, as long as you can project and say, Okay, this
is how much we're going to lose. Or this is the path that we get
to profitability, which I might point out, as far as I know, no
company has, has shown. Spotify hasn't shown it for sure. I
don't think a cast has shown it
Dave Jones: is it $2.08 I mean, it's about to go under two
bucks. This this is just as well as it is. So I heard a interview
I heard an interview with the CEO left pocket.
Adam Curry: This is a funny guy. He's kind of a Goomba. He's kind
of like his New Jersey guy.
Dave Jones: It was a great accent. Ellen, I think his last
name is Ellen, but I don't remember his first name. But um,
yeah. So he kind of lays out. It's this interviews with Yahoo
Finance. And so he lays out a lot. I think he's, he's just
laying it all out on the table here. I think he's, I think he's
a fairly honest dude, about where they're going. And he's
telling exactly what their strategy is, I believe,
Unknown: when you make the decision to go public now.
Adam Curry: I'm trying to hit you, and then you went off. You
can't leave too much of a pause. Let's try it again. We'll cut it
out. No difference.
Dave Jones: Okay. Yeah. The he lays out the the the strategy
only problem is the strategy is probably one that is not going
to work, because it's been tried about 100 times
Unknown: when you make the decision to go public now, and
you do this via spec, why did this make sense for your
company?
Sure. Great question.
Adam Curry: I gotta stop right there. So did they back into a
spec?
Dave Jones: No, no, they did not this, he's, he's wrong. She's
wrong with that.
Adam Curry: Okay, because it was a spin out from live one. So he
goes over that, yeah, it was not a liquidity event. They didn't
raise money. They just took a piece. And then they said, it'll
be more valuable on its own. And it turns out, well, it is, it's
twice as valuable as their own company, which is about a buck
25.
Unknown: All right, here we go. Can you make the decision to go
public now? And you do this via spec? Why did this make sense
for your company?
Sure. Great question. This wasn't a spec is actually the
first time ever done the history, where it was a spin off
of a minority stake. Apologies. So we uplisted our stock. And
the reason that we did it is is and we started this process
almost eight months ago, it got delayed a little bit by NASDAQ.
When it finally got by the time it finally got done, we had
already achieved a lot of our goals. And one of those goals
was to acquire additional podcast networks. So this is
that kind of perfect storm in podcasting. You had this wild
cycle, Spotify, Apple iHeart, spending billions and billions
and billions of dollars, you know, big multiples, right to
acquire both individual podcasts, whether it's Joe
Rogan, or he's buying networks or buying technology now is that
opportunity where there's a window where a sophisticated
management team like ours, who has the history of doing this,
the history of doing a radio, and now in podcasting could
acquire and roll up multiple as podcast networks. So we've
bought a distressed asset called cast media, very distressed,
Troubled Asset was a lot of money to its podcasters and
couldn't really afford to pay them and the banks pulled out
and that holds pulled out. So we acquired those and have added
some some very serious revenues to it. So this morning, we
announced as part of the uplisting, we increased our
guidance from 34 million last year, to this year being 47 to
53 million, and for the first time ever very seriously, but
not for four to $5 million even. So dramatic, dramatic turn for
the company. And I fully expect to use that currency going
forward for additional acquisitions.
Adam Curry: So rollouts, it's a roll up strategy I've done one
of these
Dave Jones: is the scoop and score, you catch them on the way
down, when they're distressed, and when they're when they're
looking, you know, looking bad. And you just hope that what
you're catching is not a falling knife. And so she challenges him
a little bit on that, because in clip two, because she's like,
Hey, this is not, but but things are looking kind of rough,
though. Right.
Unknown: Rob, on that point that you made about where the podcast
industry has been? It feels like there's a bit of a shakedown
that's happening. You know, there were some big names that
were acquired, especially for Spotify. We were talking about
Megan Merkel's podcasts, for example, earlier today, that
haven't necessarily performed. Well. Are we at a saturation
point? How would you characterize the state of the
industry right now?
The beginning of the beginning?
Adam Curry: I tried to guess. Sorry about that. Yeah. Sorry.
No, no,
Dave Jones: no, the you know, this is a this is a different
version of the it's a young industry.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's only it's only 20 years old, it's young.
Yes,
Dave Jones: this is this a different version of that Oh, of
that old favorite, which is nice. Not even now is not even
young. We're just getting started. Like it's like a fetus.
Adam Curry: It's so new. I mean, it's only been around since
2018. Who knows?
Unknown: How would you characterize the state of the
industry right now?
The beginning of the beginning,
Adam Curry: the beginning of the beginning. Now, Brother,
brother, all right, we're really
Unknown: in the first maybe second inning of podcasting.
It's grown since COVID, from 400 million to 1.3 billion. But you
know, from all the numbers are indicating globally, it'll be a
seven to $10 billion industry by 2030. Oh, so you gotta go
through another set,
Adam Curry: but by 2030, the earth will be 2.5 degrees
warmer, we're all going to be dead. Was that the next
question? Because that shouldn't be
Dave Jones: because of the Bitcoin.
Adam Curry: The boiling worldly
Unknown: is seven to $10 billion industry by 2030. So you get to
go through another cycle you went through that first cycle,
right? real enthusiasm and excitement. Now you've got to
pull back because people had a data that acquired all these
assets they have to they have to figure out how to run them.
Yeah,
Dave Jones: I mean, yeah. So his his thing is like we don't
Ostroff was here. She couldn't handle it. Yeah, she she didn't
know what she was doing. Now, you have to be able to know how
to run it. Yeah, the reason they they are good at this. Yes. So
in clip three, he explains their methodology.
Unknown: Hey, Rob, I wanted to ask you, and we're showing some
of the competitors up there on the screen or other names that
are in this space? How do you get that edge when it is more
and more crowded when you talk about the fact that the industry
is certainly seems like it's going under a bit of a
transformation process? When we talk about moving away from the
massive spending that we've seen over the last several years? How
do you find that niche? Well,
I think it's twofold, right? We're very, very selective, you
probably for any have listened to my interviews previously, I
talked about my team runs a company like Moneyball.
Moneyball, we really run it almost like a hedge fund. Oh,
we're very careful and very selective.
Adam Curry: The hedge fund is known for their careful
selectivity.
Unknown: And we try to find that niche between sort of 50,000 and
a half a million downloads, right, and we'll grow that now.
Right now, it'd be the first time we'll have an opportunity,
get podcast, and you're starting to see that come over on a
regular basis, we're doing a million but we fill that niche
with the Creator really needs the full support. And I think
what's happened is, you know, the larger places, right for
them to manage those smaller creators is really difficult.
And
Adam Curry: while he's starting to explain the problem with a
podcast network, as you know, I've always said you can't
monetize the network. And it's exactly that is when you have a
network. Then he says manage those smaller creatives. Yeah,
those are the ones who are the squeakiest wheels. I didn't get
any promotion. Why is he on the homepage? How come I didn't get
in on that advertising by that's what starts to spin out of
control with every company in the beginning in the pod show
days. So a couple other ones revision three, there were some
other ones. They all had podcaster relations department,
then these people burned out like every nine months. Because
they were trying to keep her Yeah, they were trying to keep
the podcasters happy and it was it's not it's not possible and
we set up our podcasters with their own LLC, we did all the
the initial setup and management for them on the LLC and made
sure they had accountants and they ran it as their own
business. You know, the it's, it is not an easy task to do
certain we only had, I don't know 20, tops, tops, and they
have to all be hits. Otherwise you're spinning your wheels on
all the people who don't really bring in revenue
Dave Jones: this this so if you read Ashley Carmen's article is
either from day to day or yesterday at a Bloomberg where
she goes over this guy Rosen Baum, who was sort of it was the
Talent Agent behind call her daddy and a bunch of these like,
big date lucrative podcast deals. She the her article
explains that that is exactly what is happening right now with
that with that group. They are there's now loud complaining and
people are leaving because they say they only that the that
agent only focuses on his top guys and not on them. And it's
exactly what happened.
Adam Curry: Now in addition to that, what I think the problem
is with that certainly cast what i've what I've come to learn
from like cast media and I have I have questions about what they
did with that is then people join the network. We're gonna
give you a minimum guarantee. And such a bad idea. Yeah, I
mean, that's a horrible idea. minimum guarantee. That's where
you go broke. And then the so there's this I was listening to
pod news weekly and they were talking about the magical $4
million that went away. Well, when the when podcast one
acquired the distressed asset known as cast media, did they
make any one hole? Or was that the you know, the oh, we'll give
you some stock. Now subsequently, when you went down
by 400%
Dave Jones: that's the scoop and score Yeah, they're trying
they're trying to scoop these like catch them right and right
before they hit the dirt so that they wouldn't want to so that
they could not have to pay a minimum guarantee because the
distress would make them who would make these credit and I'm
not saying this is nefarious it's no no no nothing just
you're not accusing it's just
Adam Curry: no one listened to me that's what this is. No one
listened to me.
Dave Jones: She asked him another question like you know,
get what's yeah, there's a lot of question marks still. What's
the next big thing?
Unknown: I guess network podcast one going public today on the
NASDAQ a spin out Um, it's paranoid to be
Dave Jones: your best for it. It's just clipped for. Is it?
Okay, so she asked him Oh, I can probably.
Adam Curry: It seems like he got the whole interview there for
some reason. Hold on. I just
Unknown: feel like I don't have enough hours in the day but
there.
Yep. Okay,
I made a little before free content. There's not enough
hours in the day to cover it.
Adam Curry: That you want me to go back a little bit more.
Dave Jones: You had it? You nailed it. Oh, I
Adam Curry: did. Okay. All right. Yeah. That's
coincidental.
Unknown: Yeah. Rob, I'm gonna talk to that I have so many
favorites in podcasting. I feel like I don't have enough hours
in the day. But you know, you mentioned we're still in the
early innings. There's another wave coming. What do you think's
gonna drive that?
Adam Curry: Dave batten down the hatches? There's another wave
coming.
Unknown: Is it about the Joe Rogan style podcast? Is it about
storytelling? Is it the fictional scripted content?
Adam Curry: Let me guess, true crime? What do you think is
Unknown: going to be the big catalyst to move this even
further?
Dave Jones: Okay, so predictions W das you get to predict to what
is the
Adam Curry: next wave the next wave the next big thing?
Dave Jones: The next inning?
Dovydas: I feel true crime doesn't make sense because it's
already so big right now. I just think they're gonna try to get
even more stars on these podcasts that no one listens to.
Adam Curry: That's a big way.
Unknown: It's a great question. I mean, we're we're, we're very
powerful community and network powerful driving our podcasts
across each other's podcasts, using that community to grow. I
think it's gonna be a little bit everything right. You know,
Laura Martin over Needham always described our company from all
the great things we did in music, and we're just starting
to hit this in podcasting, right. I've only owned the
company for three years, right? And that three years we took it
from about 20 million in revenues, losing a lot of money
to where now it's going to do over $50 million and be very,
very EBIT dot positive, right?
Adam Curry: Very, very, very EBIT da positive, positive.
That's estimate its earnings before income tax, depreciation
and amortization. This was for all your costs.
Unknown: The reason for that is we've got the team in place we
got the management, we're starting to hit that critical
mass and you really don't need any additional infrastructure.
You really have no additional costs and what I see happening
is multiple revenue streams. YouTube has changed the dynamics
completely now. You don't have just audio you have video coming
in to have and you probably
Adam Curry: how come Rob Greenlee isn't working at this
place yet Didn't you already work there it was he already he
already has
Unknown: awakened he left changed the dynamics completely
you now video so you don't have just audio you have video coming
in. Next you're going to have and you probably know you know,
my background and you know winning atmosphere films and
having the movie 300 And, you know, billions in revenues and
Spiderwick Chronicles and Patrick Blacksburg who sits on
my board and just went whoa,
Adam Curry: whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what did this guy do?
Dave Jones: Evidently, it was billions in revenue.
Adam Curry: He's a movie company what his background is
impressive as Spider Man something and
Dave Jones: Spiderwick Chronicles in the movie 300 is
the 300
Adam Curry: listed
Unknown: my background in owning atmosphere films and having the
movie 300. And did you know billions in revenues in
Spiderwick Chronicles and Patrick Blacksburg who sits on
my board and just winning Academy Award, we have a passion
around turning these podcasts into television and film.
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. No, that's, that's IP. That's the
strategy. That's right, everybody, you make no money.
But if you're lucky, if you're lucky, if you're lucky, we'll
turn you into a television show where you have more chances of
losing out. And
Unknown: if you can hit that second window, you can have one
or two, you know, one or two pieces of IP that you control
and own good turn out the entire network and revenues and bottom
line. And then products. Just look at what Logan Paul is
trying. It's truly amazing. He uses his podcast, very much like
my brother did an entourage when he used Avi own or
Adam Curry: Oh, his brother was his brother and entourage.
Evidently Ah, okay. Look at
Unknown: what Logan Paul is doing with prime. It's truly
amazing. He uses his podcast very much like my brother did an
entourage when he used Avi own right. There really wasn't your
marketing presenting it. You were just it was integrated into
to the content. And if we can keep doing that you're gonna see
more and more products launch from a company. I love the live
side of the business. Right watching the net. You
Dave Jones: can cut it there the next so the next big thing what
is YouTube? Yeah, P IP native advertising. Yeah, pretty much
the same thing is the old thing. It didn't work before but it'll
work now. By the way, the stock has gone up to $2.12 Oh, I've
been talking
Adam Curry: man. Literally. I should have gone long on my
twin. I think we play Five Year Old At five was five apart now.
That was fine. Yeah, no, we're good. This is interesting
because the clips that I brought today and David asked, okay,
man, are you okay to hang out with us? Because we're just
chatting a little bit here. Of course. Yeah. Okay, because this
is going to be only beneficial for you because what is
happening is and they didn't. I'm surprised that Yahoo Finance
did not really ask about advertising revenue. I mean, I
presume that they know when he talks about downloads that that
there's going to be advertising revenue. Isn't that kind of how
they're going to make their money? Question mark, question
mark. Yeah. Because because I have bad news for everybody. And
I don't like being this messenger. But I only took me
about four days to figure out what this Russell Brand thing
was really about.
Dave Jones: And I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah. What is
that? Well, so
Adam Curry: you know, Russell Brand, very successful YouTuber
also has a deal with rumble. And I think that's a you know, like
a brand brand, like, Hey, I'm Russell Brand them on rumble. So
they're paying him to be on rumble. Not necessarily because
he brings in advertisers or whatever it he has one, one and
a half million people, subscribers numbers, a number of
1.4 million on his rumble thing, which is a YouTube look like
there's many, many of them. So all of a sudden, channel four,
which is the channel that made him the star that he is in the
UK, I mean, he was a mainstream M five M Channel Four guy,
movies, Hollywood, the whole thing they decided with, with a
newspaper to do an expose a on him, and they had been working
on this for more than a year. And they have four women who say
that he raped them. And before this even came out, and that was
by the way, they they it was they stopped regular programming
to air this wasn't scheduled like, oh, it's gonna be the
Russell Brand expos a in a week or in two weeks? No, it's like,
it's like, oh, we're pre empting. All programming, we
have to show this right away. That does it. Immediate, better
33322. And so he comes out the day before and says, Oh, they're
going to do something about me, which says that I've done some
horrible things. I deny these allegations. This is not true.
All of my relationships have been consensual. And I've been
very open about my promiscuity, etc. And by the way, they could
have done this XYZ on him at any time. They probably should have
done it when he was a channel four. Because that's when it was
all going down. And you know, there's questionable, the
allegations are, are definitely not good. But there's no
criminal investigation or no criminal charges that I'm aware
of. But he's basically been convicted just by the media. So
what we'll see if I can do this in the right in the right order.
So what you'd expect is an entire me two conversation to
happen. You know, it's like everyone should be talking about
No, no, is no. And, you know, believe or even is pleased. It's
just they believe all women. That's what it used to be. But
that was not the conversation anywhere, anywhere, including
our very own pod news Weekly Review,
Unknown: I'm sure that Adam will probably cover it on the Friday
show. He has had, he's been cancelled, basically on many
platforms. And unless I'm wrong, the law used to be innocent
until proven guilty.
Adam Curry: Now while Sam, of course is correct, that is not
even in play here. No one's really even talking about that.
It's only about canceling Russell Brand and a very
specific kind of canceling
Unknown: as opposed to guilty on social media. And then the
platform.
Yes, I think I mean, he's been so what he hasn't necessarily
been D platformed. But what's gone on is YouTube music. So in
case you don't know, he's been he's a comedian in inverted
commas in the UK, and he's been accused of a number of quite
serious sexual allegations. And my understanding is that YouTube
has demonetized him although Todd and Rob were very, or at
least Rob was very keen in suggesting that he may have been
demonetized, because the advertisers didn't want to be
advertising the next to his content.
Adam Curry: This is what is happening. D monetization, but
it's not even the platform's No, we're going after advertisers.
Because once you go after the advertisers, that's it the
platform's buckle and fold immediately, because we can't
have a reputation and YouTube of course, you know, Google right
away did that. But it seems like people are going after
advertisers everywhere. So it might not have been by the way,
if Rob says that I'm going to take That is true if if he heard
that I think he's close enough to YouTube to know that that's
probably what happened. Advertisers said, Yeah, we don't
care if you have that guy on but we don't want ads anywhere near
him. So it might
Unknown: not have been YouTube actually making that decision.
It might have been the advertisers who basically said
no, he's he's he's no longer brand safe. And
Adam Curry: James says it correctly. It's not the it's not
the platform, the advertisers call the shots. The advertisers
call the shots they control, not the not the platform, the
advertisers remember that.
Unknown: But in any case, he's been demonetized from his
YouTube channel where he has six point something million people.
So that's quite a thing. I know that the BBC, have been sniffing
around BBC News, which is journalistically independent
from the rest of the BBC, I know that they've been sniffing
around the podcast companies wondering whether the podcast
platforms are taking down Russell Brand content. So I have
been helping them with their inquiries. Oh, nice.
Adam Curry: All right, James. Okay, so just just inquires, I
understand. I'm sure you're very helpful to the independent BBC
News. So they are not only looking at YouTube and, and
video platforms, but they are sniffing around the BBC is
sniffing around to see make sure that no podcasting companies are
better be taken Russell Brand off of their networks. They've
been wanting to do this for so long. And how do you think
they're doing that? Well, they're gonna be doing that by
going after their advertisers. But there was something else
interesting that James said,
Unknown: I mean, I have to say, I was listening to the news
agents a couple of days ago, and they started with a clip of
Russell Brand talking to Jimmy Savile.
Adam Curry: That's actually the so that's,
Dave Jones: that's a mental Association, though, being made.
Well, that's actually been him and like one of the worst sexual
criminals in British history.
Adam Curry: And that's the second episode of the news
agents, where they started with and talked about Russell Brand.
I listen to the news agents. I like it. I think it's good. It's
a bunch of very famous British journalists. And it's kind of a
newsroom type idea. They sit around and chat about the news
the way you would in the newsroom. And they are really
famous. They've interviewed all the all the big people in the
world. So the first episode where they talked about Russell
Brand, you would think that some journalists would be talking
about Wow, these allegations, are there. Are there any charges
being made? I mean, is this going to illegal case? Is it
going to be tried in Los Angeles, where it took place
will be tried in the UK? Well, what do you think not? Isn't it
funny, they didn't talk about that at all.
Unknown: I mean, when you've got a situation when you know,
Russell Brand, I mean, just to take some of his digital
followings. He's got 4 million on Instagram, 2.2 million on
tick tock six and a half million on YouTube. And you know, when
you look at some of the things that some of his followers have
been saying over the weekend, in response to him, and you know,
the internet isn't necessarily real life, but it's always, to
some extent, a
reflection of a bit of real life. And it is also financial,
financially lucrative and realize, oh, it's
Adam Curry: financially lucrative. Oh, we can't have
that.
Unknown: You know, some of the things we're with you, Russell.
I've been wondering how long it would be until they they tried
to pull this card with a lot of crying emoji. I'm with you all
the way Russell, they did it to Assange. They tried it with
Bernie Sanders. They did it to Corbin. They'll try and find
anyone they find a threat. And as we were talking about
yesterday, this is where there is the intersection between
media and this new media ecosystem. And politics.
Adam Curry: Yeah, there it is. This is really about the new
media ecosystem and politics. This is this is not about
Russell Brand raping anybody. That's not what this is about.
This is about the elite messaging system. They don't
like it. They don't and, in fact, isn't on the same day, in
fact that they passed the Online Safety Act in the UK, which is
just funny by itself, which will be making it much easier for law
enforcement to take content down. We have a dame Caroline
denies JD and Onge. She's a member of parliament. She's the
chair of the culture Media and Sport committee commission
committee writing a memo to the CEO of rumble. Then listen to
what she says. I am writing concerning the serious
allegations regarding Russell Brand in the context of his
being a content provider on rumble with more than 1.4
million followers. You see the see the irritation here. The
culture Media and Sport committee is raising questions
with the broadcasters and production companies who
previously employed Mr. Brand to examine both the culture of the
industry in the past and whether that culture still prevails
today and here comes however, we are also looking at His use of
social media including on rumble, where he issued his pre
emptive response to the accusations made against him by
the Sunday Times. And Channel Four dispatches. While we
recognize that Rumble is not the creator of the content published
by Mr. Brand, we are concerned that he may be able to profit
from his content on the platform, we would be grateful
if you could confirm whether Mr. Brand is able to monetize his
content, including his videos relating to the serious
accusations against him. If so, we would like to know whether
rumble intends to join YouTube in suspending Mr. brand's
ability to earn money on the platform.
Dave Jones: What an odd letter it.
Adam Curry: And now to his credit, the CEO of rumble said
we're not going to do any such thing. Whatever he does outside
of the content on Rumble is what he does. Let's go back to the
News agents.
Unknown: I think there are places that are a few like the
safety net more than that the new ecosystem to this whole idea
of cancellation so
Adam Curry: so they're they're talking about the new ecosystem.
And this is a big problem for them. And they want to de
monetize anybody using the new ecosystem. As we just heard from
James, the BBC, journalists are now going to podcast companies
sniffing around think make sure that no one's that he's not able
to make any money. And the last thing you want is the BBC to
say, well, you know, what, this company over here who has
advertisers, they are letting Russell Brand make money? He
don't you know, he's a rapist. Kid that that now we're into a
whole different ballgame. This is not about any accusations.
It's not even about him being guilty. by public opinion, this
is this is about control of the ecosystem that they don't like.
Unknown: I was told yesterday that actually one of the
platforms in which Russell Brand is heavily monetizing cabling is
rumble. And it was a site that I wasn't that familiar with.
Adam Curry: Miss never heard on the internet all the time. I
never seen a rumble,
Unknown: it kind of tends to serve the All right, it tends to
the characters like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon and the sort of
Info Wars kind of people. And I was told that Russell Brand is
actually getting millions. What he does there, whether it's
monetized or whether they're actually just paying for him,
Adam Curry: there is no concern for rape victims in this woman's
mind. There's no concern for misogynistic, anything. No, no,
no, I'm concerned
Dave Jones: money.
Adam Curry: I'm concerned that this guy, this guy, with Alex
Jones is of the world and the Steve Bannon of the world, that
they're able to make money, this will not stand because
Unknown: they find people who have exactly been shut out, if
you like of the mainstream media, or shut out of the BBC or
channel four, or places that no longer want to work with him and
say, oh, right, let us be your home. And we will provide the
following for people who don't really want to be part of that
mainstream media landscape. Anyway.
Adam Curry: So So now now we're gonna wrap this up with these
guys, because they're just flabbergasted by this, they had
no idea. There's a whole alternative ecosystem, which
according to the BBC includes podcasts, and this will not
stand.
Unknown: And so actually, half the stuff is going on that a lot
of people won't see they won't recognize they
totally forgotten about him, right.
I went on rumble last night. And it was really interesting,
because Whoa, boy, what did you discover lady? I didn't know
that he'd done the first interview with Tucker Carlson.
At Fox News. Oh, no, not
Adam Curry: the fired Fox News. Tucker
Unknown: Carlson presenter. He's interviewed Ron DeSantis. Oh, no
Republican keys, I would never, you would never know that
Russell Brand was so tied in to what we think of as the sort of,
I don't know, the Magga voice or the American voice.
Adam Curry: Oh, Ron DeSantis is not all right. All right,
mainstream Republican. But okay, I understand this is your bias.
Unknown: And this suggests that, you know, we will happily admit,
we are probably missing parts of these conversations where
Russell Brand is flourishing and will continue to flourish.
Whether or not the BBC removes an episode of Qi.
Exactly. And that's what is I think that's what's so
fascinating about this, which is that yeah, I mean, I just I was
trying to wrap my brains this morning. I had some vague sense
I think that he had gone down this kind of anti Vax kind of
route and had become kind of more eccentric,
Adam Curry: eccentric anti Vax. Oh, I see Ron DeSantis anti Vax.
These are some of the most respected journalists in the UK
where they probably still Do some journalists
Unknown: kooky, okay, but I had no idea really that he was this
is someone I like to think, right that pretty plugged into
the media, pretty close observer of the media, but not that type
of media. And this is the kind of challenge to us in a way,
right? make ourselves feel better by
Adam Curry: a challenge. There we have it,
Unknown: you know, thinking, Oh, right. He's been dropped by
this, that and the other. And maybe it's not applicable to
loads of people. But for someone like brand, it doesn't matter.
Adam Curry: Okay, now. So just let me to wrap this up. I'm
going to use another example. And I'm so happy that James had
told us that the BBC was sniffing around podcast
companies, because this is what journalism has become.
Journalism has not become like, let me talk to Russell Brand.
And let me see what's going on. What do you say about these
allegations? No, no, no, the BBC independent journalism? Yes, I
would. I would say BBC is world renowned for their independent
journalism. They are sniffing around podcasting companies
trying to get stories, whether he's still monetizing on any of
these platforms. And this is exactly what the Washington Post
did. Another bastion of reporting. I would say the New
York Times and The Washington Post are two of the most
respected newspaper newspapers by the mainstream messaging
system. They are so hate Dave Portnoy from Barstool Sports.
Dave Jones: But who is this? Yeah,
Adam Curry: who is? You know, think of him what you may that
he has an event called pizza fest. And he's actually been
supporting pizzerias during the whole lockdown, and he raised
millions of dollars for small businesses. So instead of
talking to Dave Portnoy and saying, We hate you, you
misogynist. They went behind his back to his sponsors. This is
Emily.
Unknown: Emily, this is Dave Portnoy calling. I'm recording
you right now. But I've noticed a bunch of people you're it
seems like you're sending. We have this pizza fest happening
on Saturday, and you're reaching out to our advertisers. And
you're basically sending an email that says to the effect,
Dave's mesogenic racist, do you want to defend yourselves
advertising at this event? Right.
I'm sorry. What's your name? Dave. I'm sorry. Who are you?
I'm the guy you're writing the article about Dave Portnoy. Oh,
you're Jake Portnoy. Oh, hey, how are you? Hey, good. No, I'm
not. I'm not. I haven't said anything like that. I'm well, I
can read. If you want. If you want, I can read what you
actually sent. I have it.
Yeah, yeah. Because I sent a bunch of notes. So I want to
make sure I know which one.
Okay. We are planning to write about the festival and how and
how some of the sponsors and participants have drawn
criticism by seemingly to associate themselves with Dave
Portnoy, who has a history of mesogenic comments and other
problematic behavior. I want to make sure that blank had a
chance to respond to this since the company is the most
prominent and their partners of his Festival,
which was definitely the most pointed of them. Because point I
really did want them to respond. And I was hoping to get
something from them. Do you
think that's fair? Like, I totally disagree with the
assertions of what you said that mesogenic and all that stuff. So
like, it kind of backs people into a corner. So I'm happy to
go over anything. I mean, you have that is pretty pointed. You
said you didn't do it, then I have the exact evidence of you
doing it. So
I didn't say I didn't do that. I said I did that was the one that
was the most well, no, yeah.
Adam Curry: So my I think my point is made here they're going
after advertisers, they can't go after the platform's directly.
They're not even asking you to to deep platformed like to take
him off, that just creates too much strife, no, just no money
for you. And if the platform's won't do it directly, they will
go to your advertisers, and that will end all these Rumble is
spending 40 million a month and bringing in 20, their public
company, their numbers are public, they're never gonna make
it. And advertisers don't want this they don't want you know,
yeah. You know, people say well, won't there be advertisers who
are who think the same? No, advertisers want to sell to
everybody, not just to one kind of person. This is the end of
advertising based alternative open free ecosystems, platforms
they do not work. They will not work this is why we are here the
Lord I'm going to go biblical on you the Lord brought us together
Dave Jones to build not just the index, but the value for value
system as well with God's money. Now backslash
Dave Jones: This is the what was that term with the phrase I'm
trying to remember it's the the process is the punishment. This
is the process is the punishment because you get just do Is the
accusation of a thing? Not, you know, I know nothing about
Russell Brand that he may be completely guilty. But that's
not the point. The point is that but the the mere process of
going through it is the punishment Yeah, because the
focus is not on the guilt or innocence. The focus is on the
monetization is like the whole, the whole thing is, we have to
hurry up and D monetize you immediately. And then dot dot
dot plan, you know, step two, and they don't care what step
two is, this
Adam Curry: is why people still say we're just in the early days
of podcasting, the early wave the second inning, no,
advertisers want complete control. They have complete
control at YouTube. One of the most powerful companies on Earth
runs YouTube. Yet the advertisers have complete
control over what they show. We know this now from our
reasonably informed inside sources. So this is this is they
want they don't want some people talking on a podcast. This no
control if unless we know exactly what they say. So enter
what has happened now I'm just gonna break it all down. What
has happened now is we have aI making or using transcripts,
making sure you're brand safe. We have rating agencies, we have
Garm we have all these different systems to make sure that the
most bland vanilla bull crap stuff. Oh, you know what? Forget
about that. A cast the you know, the who supposedly is still the
they're doing it all a cast is doing it. They've got Amy
Poehler. And they're baking in what was that? Like some
detergent into a scripted show? Yeah, yeah, that will work.
That's not alternative, open free media. That's an ecosystem
that survives and thrives outside of the mainstream
messaging system. No, it's not the it won't work. They want
control, you either are all in and have full control, or you
don't. And the and just to break it down a little bit further.
God bless Dovi Das, God bless, Todd, God bless Tom and Ross.
God bless these guys. We have a distributed RSS based ecosystem.
And you can easily bop around, you can even set up your own
little RSS feed, you know, I could have 20 people remember,
remember, they tried to take down WikiLeaks, and they and
they they blocked the domain name. And then everybody started
registering WikiLeaks domain names, they never were able to
really fully take down WikiLeaks ever. They just gave up on under
certain point. And then that just threw him in jail. You
know? What, just throw him in jail is a better way. Yeah,
that's a better way to do okay. So anyone who thinks that there
is an industry that will survive this is wrong is you can become
a part of the you know, the news agents industry, you can become
a part of that global and all that you can be a part of that.
Very few people will have success. And that's what you're
seeing. I don't even think podcast, one can monetize Adam
Carolla. He's too polarizing, even though he's pretty bland.
But he's not on board with the current messaging. So it will
not work the system we have devised and I say we not you and
I, but everybody in this boardroom is the only way
forward. I'm open to suggestions. But we need to
build out what we're doing.
Dave Jones: Direct Support that this the only way that it goes.
This the only way that I heard that it happened. I don't think
any of these companies are making making money. I mean,
podcast, one clearly is not a cast is clearly not. Spotify is
not, I mean, everybody that's trying these strategies, they're
not make they're not profitable. And, you know, it would be
different. It would be different if we had this sort of litany of
companies that have proven time and time and time again, that
this is a viable business model. But I don't think we even have
one, do we? I know of none. Has anybody ever successfully? Do we
know this for a fact? Now I'm asking do we know this for a
fact? I'm not asking whether or not that was a great a quote
unquote, great company, or whether or anything like that
I'm talking about? Do we know in black and white beyond a shadow
of a doubt that a single company that has tried the network pod,
the podcast network roll up strategy has been profitable?
No, I don't think we do. No, I don't think we have one example
of that working.
Adam Curry: Because everyone kept saying we'll do it with
ads. We'll do it with ads. We'll do it with ads. We'll do it with
IP we'll do with and it's just not there. But the Beauty is
Todd's customers receive $10,000 in value for value payments.
Dave Jones: See that? That's beautiful. See who that would
be? Where? So do you do you put yourself in the split at all?
For ourselves?
Dovydas: I don't know. Okay, so that's something I might do in
the future. Again, you have to really communicate this, right?
As I've said before, because you know, I don't want to create an
impression that I'm essentially charging my clients twice. But
if you really communicate the D four V model, right, yeah, I
think that's totally plausible. Since I would love to,
Dave Jones: I would love to have, you know, a lifted for,
for you to be able to say, Hey, this is how much money we made
for our, you know, for our podcasters. And for Tom and
Kevin to say, this is how much we made for our podcasters. And
Ben and Alberto to say, this is how much we made. So I would
love to have sort of those stats across the board. I thought it
was really, that was really open have to have Todd to, to put
that
Adam Curry: out there. That was awesome. That was awesome.
Dave Jones: Yeah, too, because so much of podcasting. And I
think, you know, we've been decrying this for a long time
that podcasting is very secretive. Nobody wants anybody
to know, their download numbers. Nobody wants anybody to know,
their metrics, and all these kinds of things. And honestly, I
think a lot, some of it is legitimate, like, you know, Todd
gives that example of somebody who has to work in a day job and
doing a podcast and didn't want to be, you know, it'd be known
publicly that they were making, you know, a lot of money. But I
think in a lot of circumstances with the network stuff, and with
these with these download numbers, I think people don't
want other people to know, because they they see that it's
not
Adam Curry: there, it's not there. Exactly. It's just not
there.
Dave Jones: Yeah. And they podcasting 2.0, I mean, what you
with a bring op three into that as well. When everything is
open, there's no question marks, you just know what's working, or
it's not. And it just is, it's real, it's either reality, or is
not, you're living in the truth, instead of living in a bunch of,
you know, shadows.
Adam Curry: And it's going to take a while for value for value
music, to you know, get our footing and know exactly where
we're at. And we're already running much faster than I ever
expected. But this, this is going to break everything. I
mean, it already is. The beauty of it is just like these jokes,
you know, they have no idea Russell Brand is making
millions, he may be making hundreds of 1000s, I have no
idea what he's making. Clearly, he's making pacemaking
something. The idea being that you don't need to be number one,
on Channel Four, you don't need to be number one on the BBC, you
need to basically be able to survive, be able to pay your
rent, this is what this is what I've said for 50, almost 60,
it'd be 16 years in October, just I just want to be able to
pay my bills and do the show. That's it. And the people have
heard that message and they get enough value from this has no
agenda in particular. But this project, same thing. Just if
it's if it's valuable enough to people the podcast and the
project, they will support it and they have and and and we
take no money out of it. But we don't also don't need it. You
know, sometimes a project is like that. Sometimes a project
is good for just for the feeling of legacy. Like we're doing it
sometimes it's good for your club or for your church or for
your you know, your product or for your company. It's
recreating the mainstream system and podcasting, it does not
compute. It does not compute has to be scripted. That's why True
Crime works with ads. You can you can do an upfront and here's
here's what you're buying, you know, here, you know, what's
going to be this.
Dave Jones: Did it WASD? Do you have a? You know, thinking? Adam
was talking about no agenda, just then. Do you have a plan?
This is an odd question to ask. But do you have a plan for if a
show comes to our says blue and blows up and has millions of
downloads? Is that going to? I mean, is that is that scare you
at all?
Dovydas: I mean so far. So one of the shows we host is actually
quite big up so there haven't been any problems yet. So the
infrastructure I use right now is really nice in terms of
pricing, in terms of bandwidth. So that hasn't really been a
problem at all. I Yes. Is the search part that might be more
difficult in the long term? Especially if I am going to
support video?
Dave Jones: Yeah, because that do you? Do you plan to support
for video does that on your roadmap?
Dovydas: It's something I would like to try. I feel many of
people that are coming to podcasting right now, would love
to experiment with video. The podcasters that have been doing
this for years, seem to be less interested. And I feel this
couldn't be a good opportunity to bring in new people.
Dave Jones: So that is, so if, because that's this is that age
old conundrum with with podcast hosting is, you if, if a Show
Becomes too successful, then you begin to lose money on
bandwidth. But I guess if it sounds like you've set
everything up very carefully from the beginning, so that
that's not as it shouldn't be.
Dovydas: It shouldn't be alright. I mean, some companies
you know, they they charge of depending on how many downloads
there are. But I really didn't want to do that, because we know
how unreliable this is. I don't want to essentially charge
people for fake downloads, or for auto downloads that no one
listens to. So essentially, I just have a system where it's
essentially a flat fee per month and if you upload more episodes,
there is a more federal fee. And then we also have essentially
reduced pricing for short episodes, which includes songs
so for example, if a podcaster comes to you our says blue they
can essentially, instead of uploading free, regular
episodes, they can upload nine songs which are for example,
less than five minutes long, then they will be out Yeah,
that's
Dave Jones: cool. That's a great idea because music is really not
big.
Adam Curry: Have you looked at the IPFS podcasting stuff Dobby
does
Dovydas: I have honestly I don't yet see what part hosting
companies have to play here. I know our says.com is experiment
with that. But I feel at the moment I need to focus on
features that I want to implement right now. Some of
which include things like music shows and valley time splits
Adam Curry: right on can we take a little break here and play a
song for a moment just to I need I need a drink of water?
Dave Jones: Did dovie does choose the song
Adam Curry: I did not ask him Do you have a song that you'd like
to play Adobe does Do you have a value for value music song that
you can think of offhand I
Dovydas: think you choose because they don't have anything
Adam Curry: I should I'm sorry I should I should have asked I
should have asked guests choice we do always get the wallet for
the split this is when they played on booster Graham ball I
like it a lot is from Mandal bro and it's called Eyes
Unknown: staying up all night you will cue from your slum
you will
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gates in a stars by the side of a motor disease this is the life
you
know you can't tell us you can't turn no you can't turn.
Time went on this just feel so simple for the meet new people
got the most creative be both go sweet goes to bring everyone is
this is
you
know you can't turn up you
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Adam Curry: there's something really powerful about playing a
song and then hitting a button and seeing like a Rube Goldberg
machine seeing it pop up in the chat room with a link to the
song. Yes. That's an F, of course. This is, let me see it
is currently number five on the podcast index dot top 100, which
I'd like to talk about briefly. I think Dave Jones, you have
created a beautiful, beautiful thing here. And I'd like to
explain why. Because this is this is so perfect. I actually I
think it was Sam or someone made a comment. It was I think it was
on Twitter, like, well, I don't like this chart. I want the
chart to be you know, kind of I want to see the chart and then
next week I want it to be someone moves up or someone
moves down. And and the reason why
Dave Jones: James was saying he had a problem with it, our being
hourly, he didn't like that, right. That's what it
Adam Curry: was beat well here this is, this is why I love this
chart. This chart is not to be to get a gold star. I've been
number one for weeks. Now, this is a discount. This is a
discovery tool. This tells me on an hourly basis that something's
happening in there. Especially if you roll down past the top
five, even there's stuff going on that while someone's playing
stuff. Stuff is being played out there. You know, there are songs
that that I would not be exposed to, which is why I desperately
want to be able to click in and see what podcast played them and
see that I know I know and see the booster grams. This is a
discovery tool the days of being number one or being the biggest
or being the top there over to over no one. It's not what
matters anymore. It's like Do you know who the number one
person is on only fans? No. No, because because of his tone? Do
you know no but this because there's a 10s of 1000s of people
who are very successful there and have their own little
audience doing their own thing. They don't You don't need to be
number one you need to be number one with your own community.
Okay, only fans made it's a weird example. But people have
heard the success stories and everyone can do the math.
Dave Jones: Let's use a different word like It's like
being the number one on YouTube. There's no
Adam Curry: number one right what is the number one on
YouTubers? Yeah,
Dave Jones: I can't stand that guy. I'm never gonna watch a
video of mine. So it does. So it's irrelevant to me.
Adam Curry: In fact, I'm gonna start saying to people value for
value. It's like oh, it's only fans for podcasts value for
value music. It's only fans for music. People understand it
people get it. People get it. Oh, okay. So if you have 1000
people you can get them to pay $1,000 you're a millionaire?
Yes. Correct.
Dave Jones: Dobby does don't say RSS blue is the only fans don't
worry.
Dovydas: I won't wish no no no no. And also disagree I think
they have something that goes against V four v which is you
know premium content so I don't think that's the for V at all.
Adam Curry: I don't I don't see only fans as premium content.
Dovydas: Oh, I don't know. I I just guessed that the way they
do this is they charge some amount and then you can access
the content.
Adam Curry: No, no the way it works well yes I do. You may
have to, you may have to pay something but you kind of pay
what you want. That's the idea. That's the idea is you can be
okay as N E and its interact. You're right. It's a bad
example. It's not a good way to do it. But if someone says
here's a million Satoshis mentioned my name, okay. You
know,
Dave Jones: Spencer says only fans you need to subscribe to
get into so is there Spencer's or resin? Is the resident
actually grant? Yes. Yes.
Adam Curry: So he's reliably informed. So we so that's a bad
example. But the idea is, you have your own community. And I
was talking with Dvorak about this no one knows outside of no
agenda. No one knows no agenda. People don't walk around like
Oh, Adam curry, no agenda, a big podcast. No, no. Adam curry MTV
Rogan? I don't you have a podcast? Yeah. Now we have a
900,000 a million people who listen on a monthly basis.
That's enough. That's enough. If now if they all gave us $1 That
would be fantastic. It doesn't work that way. But it does it
but they do other things they they value for value time,
talent, treasure, do all kinds of cool stuff for us that would
otherwise have cost a lot of money to have people do it. You
know, to hire people to do stuff.
Dave Jones: Speaking of supporting us you want to thanks
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Dave Jones: I've got a I've got $500 from Marco arm and his
whole
Adam Curry: blade only am Paula Marco let us help you with your
live shows. Ma'am. Let us help you. I see you. I see you saved
my 18 minutes before live. That should already be signaling in
the app.
Dave Jones: automate it. I'm going to do it I'm going to
automate it just just as proof of concept. Cool.
Adam Curry: Just just just Yes. Thank you so much.
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John's ber t 33 333. Do fountain he says can't wait for V for V
audiobooks. Same John.
Adam Curry: Yeah, definitely.
Dave Jones: We're gonna make it happen bro. He also boosted a
show a piece of music which I cannot tell. That's the music we
play a track we played last week with a bunch of mature rock hand
emojis. A mere mortals podcast chyron our buddy 2222 through
found he says Rick Beto is that YouTube musicians name another
great combo he had was with Ted Goya called a warning on the
future of music Yep, we played clips
Adam Curry: Yeah, we did PLAY CLIP Yes, we did. We did.
Dave Jones: He understands the problem deeply just doesn't know
about the solution yet. Wink. Mitch D I hope that's Mitch
Downey because I'm competitive.
Adam Curry: MD we'll just call them MD from now on MD and MD MD
Dave Jones: these bubbles that are sold through pod verse he
says did the feed I detail V come through? Yes it did. Thank
you, Mitch.
Adam Curry: It's good. He's been everyone's working on their
feed. TLVs Yeah, nice.
Dave Jones: Yeah, he's got he's got another see another two here
testing to vase Yep. All looking good, Mitch. Thanks, brother.
Uh, Jean Everett satchel Richard 1111 through found no note.
Thank you Jean. Sir Brown of London. 1948 He says a little
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those. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that shrewd word.
Trick shred word. Yes, shred words. Send us 1000 SATs to
podcasts guru. Well said Adam. There's no middleman and getting
paid on visa vie music industrial complex payouts are a
joke. There's no reason why we need ASCAP or BMI or anything
like that in today's digital age.
Adam Curry: Organization all you need to do splits splits is all
you need. All you need
Dave Jones: is splits.
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music taste Thank you Cameron. Appreciate that Jean bein 2222
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wanted the tracking prefix. The company that wanted the tracking
prefix would settle for op three being added and then being able
to see the data from it kind of a middle ground between no
analytics and their credit and their creepy stuff.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I mean, that's the interesting part about V for
V. I mean I put all of all of my shows everything I do I send
through op three to help send in some data and my contribution
but I never look at it No, I look at Can I pay the rent?
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over Dorsey as if he wasn't running Twitter when all the
censoring began. Throw some money around and I guess we see
where people's values truly stand right? That's right. It's
true. It's your point. Good point. Sir Spencer 33 333
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Adam Curry: I love how you say his name
Dave Jones: and I'm from I'm from Alabama. I
Adam Curry: know that's okay. That's where I
Dave Jones: landed beavers there's a lot of there's a lot
of beaver in Alabama. Robert
Adam Curry: I'm just gonna leave that one where it is.
Dave Jones: I left my grandmother used to keep I'm
sorry, no, my grandma and she, she lives on are live she's
passed away now she lived on a lake out in about 30 minutes
north of Birmingham very deep in the woods. And she she kept a 22
just sitting out on the back porch because there's every
about once every couple of months a beaver would try to
build a dam and clog up the work so she just she'd go out there
with a cup of coffee in the morning see and you
Adam Curry: can just see you're doing it too. And then she would
would you sit in a rocking chair while she did that?
Dave Jones: She said in afterwards and read the Robert
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Adam Curry: I gotta say we all sound great Dolby Das is using
man those road guys they make good products you're using what
are you using Dolby does
Dovydas: it's called Road NT USB
Adam Curry: is a great great sound
Dave Jones: yeah you don't have any interface or anything it's
just straight out of the mic into the into the computer.
Dovydas: Exactly just a USB ports to my think that that's
all that's perfect.
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back the Gnostic gonorrhea wishes on the Bitcoin Bros. The
Bitcoin bros are ripping lines of coke off each other.
Adam Curry: Wait, didn't we already do that one? I have a
feeling we did that one. Did we do that last week? I have a
feeling it sounds familiar. Don't do things just don't
forget.
Dave Jones: See? Okay. The Bitcoin bros rip in lines of
coke off each other's butt cheeks while y'all Christianity
turned the other cheek. i On behalf of Dave Annette and an
apprehensive Adam wish Wardy gonorrhoeae filled boils on the
Bitcoin bros noses so they are reminded on every rip of their
cheap coke that they are being carried on the shoulders of
Lightning Network giants the sage and the puff hot spicy
podsafe is my favorite this the spicy passage goes back in the
box for a while and this is not this this it makes me it makes
me unhappy
Adam Curry: it's okay we all you know I I feel that you went from
spicy pod this pod sage I feel that by by the end of the last
episode you were much more lavender like
Dave Jones: live into it just don't put it in my coffee.
Anonymous 5000 SATs through pod verse V for V works. In the 60s.
My wife's aunt had some success with a burger joint based on V
for V until arguments with local government related with local
gov related to Virginia's newly adopted state sales tax made her
decide it wasn't worth the hassle. You can even sell
burgers the for V evidently no anonymous 5000 says HIPAA
adverse my impression of nostre fans. I did not intend to ignite
nostra hatred.
Adam Curry: Well, I know you didn't intend but as you
understand what happened was not your finest moment.
Dave Jones: Maybe I did intend to. Not entirely 5000 says he
says my impression of nostre fans is that they're done with
the pragmatism and want to build something completely censorship
resistant even if it takes another decade before it works
reliably enough for grandma. Not sure I understand their
preference for BTC of a privacy coin and sure don't understand
how putting one's faith in 10 Mysterious relays is better than
copy paste at 10 centralized platforms. Yeah, good point.
Yep. See what we got here. Oh, no.
Adam Curry: You know what? I was gonna just say something about
nostre Sure. I realize nostre has the same problem OPML house?
Oh, well OPML the true outline processor Markup Language is
such, I love it, it is so powerful. I use it in my daily
life all the time I use all the features, like Node includes and
this, there's so much that can be done. But because of early
RSS subscription lists, that's all they're used for. In the
world, in the in the in the wide world of computing, because
really, a lot of the stuff we're talking about OPML is is a
beautiful solution to that. And we even had, what do we have we
did we have an OPML? S OPML? We had, we had a lot of different
things.
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. We did the namespace for the Opium
Adam Curry: War, when I was thinking about this Russell
Brand stuff. I'm like, you know, really, you know, we need to
move away from these, I mean, the idea of platforms like acts
and threads, even to a degree Macedon, we just need to go back
to an app that creates a feed, and that aggregates feeds. And
that's how you publish. And that's how you subscribe. And
you get them from people's, you know, from their servers, or
maybe do it from some kind of space out there hash space, or
IPFS. Or, you know, that is the ultimately that's the only
solution. And in that, in that scenario, we were way ahead of
the game 10 years ago. OPML is a great solution. So what OPML is
to RSS Noster, is to social networking. nostra of course is
much more powerful as identity and now that you can carry
around but it will forever be buried under the social
networking, just like OPML will forever be a way to you know,
export and import RSS feeds, specifically podcast feeds to be
honest about it as too bad one,
Dave Jones: one day when we finish fixing podcasting will
return to freedom controller. Okay, yeah,
Adam Curry: you gotta you gotta do you got to do. I'm excited
about it.
Dovydas: Can I say something? Yes, yes. I mean, it's such a
huge problem, this whole idea of essentially aggregating content
in an open way. I mean, we already had it with blogs, we
even had it with Twitter, which had RSS feeds. And I feel we are
against such a powerful force, all of these social media
companies, they have no incentive to share the content
that people post on their platforms, in an open way. So
there really has to be some innovative idea that essentially
offers a better experience than what they currently do. Because
without that, I feel it's very, very difficult for to convince
people to, you know, use RSS readers and go back to the old
days.
Adam Curry: Well, isn't that exactly what we're doing with
podcasts now, though? I mean, yes, we have some centralized
systems. And we have, you know, podcasts index is doing a lot of
the heavy lifting aggregation so the clients can stay light. But
in general, you know, you could do this for blogs.
Dovydas: You could do that. But I guess, podcasting had the
disadvantage that from the very beginning, the idea of a podcast
was that it's an RSS feed, you know, if writing articles, etc.
They come in many, many forms. It started at zero, I guess what
you could say is that blogging, started HTML, and then adopted
RSS later, whereas podcasting is RSS native from its birth.
Adam Curry: Exactly. Fair enough. But blog, blogs, look,
Google Reader was a thing. My wife had Google Reader, my wife
love Google Reader. She loves subscribing to blogs, and then
then Google killed it. Because we allowed it to be centralized
by the Satan. By the way, I gotta I don't know why associate
Todd was Satan. But I just want to give him a shout out for
podcast. mirror.com I love what he's doing there. Great idea.
Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a great that the inner
beat. People have asked us to do this 100 times. And we've always
said no, because we're not touching. We're not we're not
going to touch. We're not going to make an app and we're not
going to be a podcast host. That's just not that's not
anything we do. And we're never going to do that. So that Like
this was, this was a exactly filling a thing that people have
always wanted
Adam Curry: this. Can you map a domain name to it, though? Is
that part of his?
Dave Jones: I mean that Todd touched it let us know. I don't
know,
Adam Curry: that would be that would be the ultimate I mean,
you know, so that. So I don't have to be podcast
mirror.com/adam or whatever, you know, it could be. I could map
my domain name to it. In fact, you should be selling domain
where's the GoDaddy link?
Dave Jones: It's got to be a CNAME a CNAME would do that.
Adam Curry: I would. I would hope so. Yeah, of
Dave Jones: course it hopes Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Yeah.
Tone Ricker, one a one on one to fountain he says brainstorm. Now
that chapters allow listener to navigate playback in many
podcasts and 2.0 apps is anyone created a choose your own
adventure style show? Where the host Narrator prompts audience
to make a decision at various points and the listener proceeds
to the specific chapter to continue. Just a thought this
morning to share with the group. That's a neat idea. That's a
pretty neat idea. I like it.
Adam Curry: I don't understand that yet. What is he saying? Oh,
you don't know say it again?
Dave Jones: No, he's he's saying like layout a choose your own
adventure. Style podcast. So like episode where you can like
depending on is a you know, you the the character the main
character gets to this decision point. Do you choose this or do
you choose that? And then you click on the chapter? No, and it
would take it would jump somewhere else? Yeah, no jumping
to the D appropriate audio. Sort of like a text adventure game,
but in audio for interest. It's pretty neat. I like it.
Adam Curry: Hey, Kim, can we do a web app with a with a web app
that creates feeds in aggregates feeds? I'm just not. Now I'm
thinking we got to fix blogs to just like, let's fix social
networking.
Dave Jones: Yeah, come back. Come back.
Adam Curry: I'm here. I'm here again. Yes, I'm here again.
Dave Jones: Todd Cochran? Hunter 75,000.
Adam Curry: Whoa, what's going on? Todd Cochran. Nice.
Dave Jones: Adam. Dave, we need to start calling podcast
platforms that don't have any podcasts and 2.0 implantation
implementations non compliant and non certified aka PSP.
Obviously, we're excited to bring podcasting 2.0 to those
podcasters on those non compliant hosting sites via
podcast mirror. As we talked, as we talked, we're all in more
coming soon from the blueberry team. got excited to also
announce that blueberry podcasters have earned $10,000
collectively since we implemented reefer V.
Adam Curry: Okay, questions. One? Why I know it's a question
for Todd. Why is it? Why is it difficult for him to do item
level? Podcast mirroring? Just from a technique? It's obviously
technical, but do you understand why
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think it's because the stuff in the the
items change whereas the channel does really doesn't much so you
would have to go and you would have so you'd have to wait you
publish your episode, then you'd have to wait for podcasts
mirrored to reflect the change then go over and edit a separate
set of things. Whereas with with just fee level stuff,
Adam Curry: Oh, of course because you don't. Yeah, you
don't have the item stuff to actually send it's not it's not
in your original da Okay, got it. Yeah.
Dave Jones: Yeah, I see. I see. So the you were exactly right.
Last week when you predicted based on Todd's level of
grumpiness that he was about to ship something.
Adam Curry: When Todd gets grumpy ship is happening. This
good
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Dave Jones: I did it took me off guard, it kind of threw it
probably really
Adam Curry: close and it posts faster. Now, I'm not sure what,
what Masto hosted, could we use master host, we upgraded a
couple times to be able to support search and, and just the
amount of bandwidth and storage that will use all of that all of
that and a couple of years of runway in case Dave and Adam
fall down and decide that, you know, we're dead. So it will
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we're dead. So now we keep a nice margin in there. And it's
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Dave Jones: missed my cue I queued you up for Nisa.
Adam Curry: Oh, I'm sorry. It feels good. I was I was gonna
play it at the end of the show. WDS. Ma'am. Anything else we can
do for you? Is there anything that we can support you with in
your in your your side hustle, hopefully one day to be exit
decision?
Dovydas: Well, one of the things I probably want to do is
probably chat to you, Adam. Because you have been leading
this effort of doing music shows. So I really want to talk
to people who are already doing it, trying to understand what is
the workflow? And what can the hosting publishing companies do
to essentially make this as smooth as possible.
Adam Curry: How about this? How about this for an idea? Because
people have been asking me to do this for no agenda, but I was
thinking of doing it for booster Graham ball first, why don't I
do a screencast of the show. So you can and then I'll do it with
some of the prep time. So you can see the whole workflow. And
I'll put that out on no agenda too. But you can take a look at
it. And that will really give you an idea of you know, because
it's there's a combination of things that happens, but the
workflow is really a lot of split kit for the preparation
and then for for the live play out. And would that be helpful?
Dovydas: Oh yeah, that's perfect. Okay. Oh, I mean, yes,
the live aspect of the whole thing probably adds more
complication. So my first step is going to be just doing a
regular show with our while switching and live shows is
going to be more in the future. Have you
Adam Curry: looked at split kit at all? Have you have you
checked that out? I had Yes. Because what split kit does is
forget the live stuff but the the important The important part
is I mean it's it's really phenomenal. So first okay, I
already know the 15 songs I'm going to play and so the first
hurdle but you know I get around it is I find them you know
they're all over the place but I find them through LM beads I
find them through wave lake I fly you know just people send me
stuff. I go and I search for all of those podcasts index.org
under the music tab. Then I get the song I click the download
link. So then the the mp3 downloads I name it and then I
save it in the folder so that's that's already a process that I
should be easier than I want. I'm gonna do the show. The way I
do it and sometimes I do stuff on the fly but I basically I
come up with my list. Like, you know, I'm gonna play this song
first and this on this on this song, because I go into split
kids split could make makes it very easy to just search for
those songs. What they don't make is split kids should make
it easy for me just to download the song right there. But that
so I should be able to do everything in Split kit. I
searched for the song, I click in, I add it, boom, it's added.
So then as I'm, as I'm doing the show, the minute I play the next
song, I go over to split kit, I hit the button, which then sets
a timestamp like, Okay, you started playing the song, this
time, the song is this long, so it knows when it will end and
then it goes back to my value block. So that's, that's really
the workflow then when I'm done, then I go back, I look at my
file, and I say, okay, the firt the second song started at three
minutes and 45 seconds according to split kit. But of course it
was later because I already started the song. So we'll go
and adjust that time. That really only takes about 15
minutes, it takes much less time than you think it does. But just
to get it exactly right, so So the value of time split starts
at the right moment. Now here's the beauty. This is the beauty
that I think people should consider using split kits
capability. Because I then go to sovereign feeds. And I just
import all that information from the split kit split kit has a
number of export options. One is into sovereign feeds, which I
use to create my feed. And I just paste the URL, and it loads
all of those value times split blocks. In addition, right, it
also has a show notes. And I hit that. And it gives me the list
of all the songs, I can just copy paste that right into my
show notes. And it outputs a chapter file, which is the
biggest beauty. So now I just have a JSON chapter file that is
good to go the minute I publish, and it has all the start time.
So everything fires beautifully all at the same time. So the
question is, do you want to recreate the split kid
functionality in your own interface? Which I can
understand why people would want to do that? Or do you want to
just take the import from split test and send your users to
split kit that that would be up to you. But that's split without
split kid, I would not be doing the show there wouldn't be would
be too complicated for me to to hand code it and get all that
stuff done.
Dovydas: Right? Yes. I mean, the main challenge here is to
actually unify all of the podcasting 2.0 aspects. So one
of them is a valid time splits. One other thing is chapters that
you mentioned. And if there's one interface that essentially
does that merges things in a smart way so that people just
coming into this new concept, understand it understand it
intuitively, I think that's the perfect scenario.
Adam Curry: It because basically now there's a whole bunch of
steps. So basically, it might in an ideal world I would go in I'd
say here's the songs I want to play, they be kind of like in a
bin sitting there and then okay, I'm gonna play this song I click
that song, it automatically sets the start time because I play it
next song I click it same thing then when I'm done I click a box
and then it spits out chapter spits out show no everything is
all in place I don't even have to copy paste it it just all
goes in. That would be the ideal way. And for extra points have
it integrate with my playout system so that it downloads the
mp3 and then when I start the mp3 automatically hits the start
time and there's all kinds of stuff that I could imagine that
would make it easier for me personally. But I think most
people are probably you know I can envision a little mixer in
an interface so you don't even download songs you play him I
prefer to use my system but so you just have a little mixer you
know song one song two now it's that simple. So I'm one over
place on to split kid has some of that built into it. I'll do a
video and if you want to we can we can chat. Hey, we'll take it
offline Dobby das
Dave Jones: I remember you did that. I remember you did that
once before with nogen it's been a long time ago.
Adam Curry: I looked at it six years ago. It's embarrassing to
see the system. I was working with this. I have to do a new
one. But that was more that was more just to show people how
crazy it is. When John's talking I'm looking for clips I'm
dragging stuff in I'm just to see the whole the whole
production process is kind of funky. I mean, you see it? I got
to do that again. I have a camera. I have software. I can
do this. I can do this.
Dovydas: I would love to as trial. Yeah.
Adam Curry: Thank you, Adam. Yeah, of course, man. No problem
at all. And I'll try to do it on the end because what is it what
is for you now, is it? Almost nine o'clock? Quarter nine?
Dovydas: That's correct. Okay.
Adam Curry: Yeah, on a Friday night,
Dave Jones: trying to compile that script that rush that rust
script that you did a word paste it, but I can't find it now, I
can't find the textbook.
Adam Curry: And I was wondering, I had a feeling that it may not
have completed yet.
Dave Jones: It looked like it was missing curly brace.
Adam Curry: I thought it was done. But it wasn't. But no, I
hold on a second. Let me do this. Did I copy that? Yes,
there we go. Watch this.
Dave Jones: You're gonna paste it in again.
Adam Curry: I'm gonna get sent. I'm gonna paste it to you.
You're gonna set it in there. Yeah, on the signals. There it
is. I mean, look, it wasn't blazingly fast. But it was
sovereign. I did it on my own system. No one knows that I did
it. It doesn't doesn't report army doesn't tell me any bad
things. And I had no idea what rust even is. So the fact that
it did that in an hour is I think is just impressive on my
on my little start nine box here, that's impressive to this
speaking
Dovydas: over us. One interesting thing I've tried a
few months ago, is actually using rust on the front end.
Because we have this idea of WebAssembly, which means that we
can now have all kinds of different languages running on
the front end of so people who would maybe want to check out
they can go to tools.rs as blue.com to see what a rust
front end app actually looks like. So it's a little
experiment, but I might actually develop this further in the
future. Oh, nice.
Dave Jones: I think I remember you posting that. What is it?
Dovydas: So there are a few things. So you know, I've tried
all kinds of different things with it. So one of them is
podcast GUI generator. So where you just enter your podcast
feeds URL, and it generates the podcast good using the right
format. Then the other thing we have is slot op free, which I
should probably retire because we now have all the free pages.
But what it did initially, it would essentially post your
enclosure URL, and it would essentially plot your downloads
over time. And then we also have validator which is a podcasting
2.0 tags validator, which essentially does all the
validation in your browser.
Dave Jones: Wow, it's a real time real time update. The this
is not a this is not a compilable script.
Adam Curry: I just sent you I just sent you a link. It's still
writing the script. It's not yet it's almost there. It's it's
slow. But it's it's literally writing it word by word, but
it's doing it I'll send it to you when it says it's complete.
It's a little unclear when these things are complete. You gotta
go back, or you offer you back to the back. Hey, can we Okay,
so I have a weird thing happening on Friday. Next
Friday, Friday, can we do Thursday evening? Is it possible
for you?
Dave Jones: We can but it'll need to be late. That's okay.
I've actually started rock climbing with my daughter. So we
do that on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And that's okay,
Adam Curry: because I need some time to decompress after no
agenda anyway. But if we could do that, because I don't want to
miss a board meeting. But I'm traveling to Houston and like
everything my whole life is a mess. They've
Dave Jones: fallen apart. Yeah, so like eight o'clock? Oh, yeah,
no, that's
Adam Curry: not late. Yeah, that's fine. Perfect eight
o'clock. Alright, everybody board meeting will be eight
o'clock central time on Thursday. So join us for that
Dobby. Das man, thank you so much. Congratulations with
everything. RSS blue.com. I always put it in the list on the
booster grand ball. So people know they can can also use that
for their for their music uploads. And we'll be we'll be
in touch about the workflow for for creating value for value
music shows.
Dovydas: Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks, David.
Adam Curry: Thanks for coming, man. Really appreciate you being
here. And thank you chat room. Thank you all so much for being
here for this very important board meeting of podcasting. 2.0
We will return next week Thursday 8pm Central time see
you then.
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