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Adam Curry: Oh, podcasting 2.0
for March 31 2023, episode 127

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fortress of freedom Hello
everybody, welcome once again to

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your board meeting of podcasting
2.0 We've always got better

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bagels and big tech in our
boardroom, the latest

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developments, podcast index.org
to namespace and and of course,

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all the grubby grimy details of
podcast index dot social. I'm

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Adam curry here in the heart of
the Texas Hill Country and

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Alabama the man who will turn
your issue into a discussion.

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Say hello to my friend on the
other end ladies and gentlemen,

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Mr. De Jones.

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Dave Jones: I feel ill equipped
to talk about the latest in

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recent and whatever else you
said the developments in the

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pocket and podcasting. I've been
going. I've been out of town.

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Adam Curry: Well, I was out of
town too. But I was not.

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Dave Jones: I was no excuse.

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Adam Curry: Exactly Shut up,
man. There's no excuse.

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Dave Jones: Oh, I get home and
promptly. We get home Wednesday

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night. Yeah, everything was fun.
Yeah. Woke. Woke up. Felt fun

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yesterday morning. Yeah. But by
lunchtime by lunchtime, Tiny Tim

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in full effect. I had a

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Adam Curry: really

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Dave Jones: hard time in spring
months. This is

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Adam Curry: getting ridiculous.
Are you better now? Or is it

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still full on?

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Dave Jones: No, I had a fever
again today as

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Unknown: what is wrong with you,
man? I don't know.

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Adam Curry: laughing I mean, I'm
laughing I'm of course I'm not

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really happy about it. But I
have to laugh. It was like what

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is going on with my man here?
Well, I have

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Dave Jones: to get I have to
laugh to you. Because this is

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absurd at this point. It is. It
is a bit absurd. It's just not

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even talking about anymore and
just copying Advil and moving on

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with my will. Have

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Adam Curry: you been taking your
beef milkshake?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, every day.
Well, I did not on the road. Not

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when that's maybe the problem.

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Adam Curry: There you go. You
need to always bring your your

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beef milkshake brings all the
boys to the yard.

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Dave Jones: Emergency shake. I
didn't have it with me.

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Adam Curry: Alright, so I was on
vacation. While kind of a work

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vacation. I still did to no
agenda shows.

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Dave Jones: Because I did a
great, by the way, send a great,

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no, thank

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Adam Curry: you. You know, some
people said if you hadn't said

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you're on vacation, they
wouldn't have known it. They

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would have known I was in a
different place. No, I wouldn't

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Dave Jones: have the audio
quality was what you would

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expect. Top notch. Yeah, well,

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Adam Curry: it's the road
caster, man, if I if I could

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have built that thing myself, I
would have

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Dave Jones: got the rain was fun
to turn down for the first show.

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Adam Curry: Could not could not
cover that one up. I was some

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that was some. That's what you
get in, in the Caribbean. And

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you know, as always, you know,
we're, you know, we're there for

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exactly a week. And of course, I
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Tina, when we were laying out by
the beach. You know, Tina is

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reading on my phone, you know,
doing emails and you know, just

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collecting all the stuff I need.
And as always, you're like, you

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know, we could live here, you
know? You always do. Yeah, we

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could live here. We could live
on this. I could live in

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Jamaica. No problem, man. We
couldn't live here. You always

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go through that cycle. Like, oh,
this is so great here. You know,

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you don't think you totally
could? Yeah, you don't but you

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don't think about the problems
that exist in Ireland. Like

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there's there's enough problems.
They got problems there.

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Dave Jones: Though. We do that
to you because we were in we

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were in Charleston, South
Carolina.

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Adam Curry: Oh, which eautiful
Have you been there before?

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Dave Jones: Never been never
been to Charleston. We've we've

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been to Savannah, which is like
the people in Charleston

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probably hate hearing the phrase
this stuff does look a lot a lot

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like Savannah. And the people in
Savannah probably hate hearing

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it in reverse. But they really
are so similar. I mean, they're

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very close to each other and
they look a lot like that. Ya

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know, we had a good time and it
was it's funny because

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Charleston is trusted affiliate
very wealthy play.

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Adam Curry: Oh, didn't
historically even that way.

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Dave Jones: They know a lot of
poor folks in Charleston and I

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can

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Adam Curry: see Dame Jennifer's
eyes rolling right now. You know

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she pretty much runs Charleston.

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Dave Jones: Forgot Dame Jennifer
was in Charleston. She

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Adam Curry: would have hooked
you up bro. I know she runs the

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show there. She she really she's
the queen of Charleston.

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Dave Jones: This this is a
complete faux pas on my part.

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Hey, this this is like I dropped
the ball really

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Adam Curry: is. Oh my goodness.
Well, she'll show she'll beat

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you out. I'm

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Dave Jones: sure that's fine.
No. Bring it.

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Adam Curry: Speaking of Dame
Jennifer. Oh. Oh. What is

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speaking of Dame Jennifer so I
was listening to the latest

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audacity to podcast Daniel J.
Lewis, his podcast which he

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which he click Beatty titled?
micro micro payments. Is it

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worth it?

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Dave Jones: Yeah, but it goes
into SCO gazing this Yeah,

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Adam Curry: so So he, of course
totally spoiled it says hand

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hand Adam, you'll love it. Like,
okay, and I listen, it's 30

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minutes I listened to this
thing. And, and I'm just I'm

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jumping up and down. I'm like,
every single thing we've wanted

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to talk about when it comes to
value for value in podcasting.

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2.0 is in here, right down to
this handy shortcut, which is if

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you want to know how much
bitcoin is worth, all you have

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to do is say, whatever the
number is, let's say it's

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28,000. Right now. That's
28,000. pennies. 1000 SATs is

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28,000 pennies, ie. No, I messed
it up already.

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Dave Jones: This is great. I
can't wait to catch this.

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Adam Curry: 1000 SATs is 28
pennies. There we go. That's

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okay. That's how you got to look
at and it's like, oh, okay, that

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makes a lot of sense. So but if
it's 30, it's $30,000 1000 sites

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is 30 pennies. And like, oh,
that kind of is handy to

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remember. I like this. But he
explains everything right? I

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mean, and when I thought I was
not going to talk about the

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loop, you know, the feet, he had
it all in there. There's maybe a

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few things that went in a little
little deeper than necessary.

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And I immediately first of all,
I gave him a huge striper boost

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77,777 No. And I and I
immediately ping Dame Jennifer,

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I said, This is it. Can you do
this? Can I said we have a

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little budget podcast index.
We'll pay you a little bit of

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money to do this. Because it's
not it's not just a simple job.

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Can you make a video this is the
explainer video for value for

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value. And so she'll have that
done in the next week or week or

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two, whatever. She's she's going
to really sit down and do it

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like a real job.

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Dave Jones: Oh, like some but
like, I mean, like somes

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actually in the works, like Yes
and actually do so yeah,

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Adam Curry: this is the thing
that we've been talking about,

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for forever, like, Oh, if we
could only explain how it

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worked, people would understand
it that much better and damage.

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If we if we had sat in it
actually we have if we had sat

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down and said, Alright, I'm
going to write the script. This

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is what I was going to be we
never and even Daniel's read was

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good as we never would have been
able to accomplish this. So I

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Dave Jones: like as a good
player. He's a good pocket

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podcaster. He's

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Adam Curry: excellent podcaster.
And he really, really, really

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nailed it right down to the
numerology, all of it. So I

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mean, there could even be a
short edit and longer version. I

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don't know. So Dame Jennifer's
on it. And I think she can't

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start until this weekend or
Monday, because she had no

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actual work to do. But I said,
we want to hire you for that. I

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hope you don't mind. I know
that's it's a personal personal

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privilege and just said we want
to hire you for this job. And

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and of course, we'll also we
will compensate Daniel J. Lewis,

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one way or the other. We've seen
sexual favors, obviously.

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Dave Jones: I'm sure he's
looking forward to that.

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Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, he's
jumping up and down. Now.

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Dave Jones: He's going to resend
that episode. This. Oh, what is

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this going to be? I mean, what
is she? What is she creating?

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Adam Curry: Well, you know, her
no agenda videos and no agenda

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animated videos that that tool
that she uses. She's going to do

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use that I guess that's her
tool. She knows.

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Dave Jones: But you don't
actually know that she's going

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to use that she could ever call
car blog.

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Adam Curry: Carte Blanche is
exactly the idea. Okay, carte

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blanche on a crisp. She's She's,
she's so creative.

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Dave Jones: Well, this is what
this is what Melissa says when

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people she's currently working
on the on an installation for to

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go in the city of Birmingham.
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Adam Curry: she she went a long
way since last time. We talked

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about her art. Installation for
the city of Birmingham. Yes.

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Dave Jones: No, she's already
got one that she did a few years

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ago. That's, that's permanent.
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Adam Curry: I remember the I
remember panicle gardens. I do

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remember that. Yeah. So

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Dave Jones: she now they they
love that one so much. They want

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her to do want. She's doing one
for near the museum near the

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Museum of Art. And so she is
what she said like the there's

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somebody that was involved in
it. It was trying to like tell

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her exactly what to do. No, no
work that doesn't work this way.

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Doesn't work that way. And her
her her line that she uses all

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the time is I'm not going to be
your hand. You know, it's like,

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Unknown: but yeah.

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Dave Jones: You don't hire me to
be your hands. You hire me to do

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to be creative

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Adam Curry: mind. Yes, exactly.
To do your thing. Oh, well, this

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will be interesting. That's
exactly how I view I'm like,

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this is this. Jennifer knows,
she knows she knows how to do

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it. And we've talked about this
at nauseam we've said yeah, if

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only people could see the flow
and they understood it. And as

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the voice over which it of
course was just an episode, but

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when you hear Daniel J do it,
it's like, you know, he's it's

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like he's just reading a script
so casually. So Oh good. So I'm

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jacked jazz and jacked at the
same time. I really am happy

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about that. It's gonna be a
really it'll be great. We're lit

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right now, of course, live. And
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knew that we were going to be
late you had a work thing. So we

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knew that we were going to be
late for this episode. And I

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diligently tweeted and tweeted
it out and then who was it

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someone was really funny about
it because Martin good old pod

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pod friend Martin. He he sent me
a message on no agenda social by

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me podcast index dot social. And
he said he had a little

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screenshot. When he says Dave
and Adam, I don't know when to

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tune in for the Live episode,
because it still have the

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latest, you know, the the last
lit tag for the pending live

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show, March news 30. Priority
and what it was for March 17.

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And then Harvey, a hard hat. He
says, Oh, if only there was some

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kind of way to announce the
panting schedule of the next

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Dave Jones: Smart. So

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Adam Curry: he did do some
emojis. So true. Yeah. And of

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course, I actually took my My
Bride out on a date. We had a,

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we had a lunch together and
like, Oh, crap, hold on a

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second, baby. I'm so sorry. I
did. I did. I did. But she so

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she said

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Dave Jones: what relationship
killer?

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Adam Curry: But you have to
understand the keeper. What are

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you doing? I said, I need to
update the schedule change

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through the lit tag. She's like,
Oh, of course. Go ahead.

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Unknown: My Bride.

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Dave Jones: That's why she's
known as the keeper.

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Adam Curry: She's so good. So
yeah. And I did it on my phone.

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It worked out pretty good. That
was good.

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Dave Jones: And my phone had you
do it on your phone

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Adam Curry: through sovereign
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Dave Jones: So you made that
change on sovereign? This? Okay,

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this makes sense. Because you
made the change in sovereign

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feeds in the new

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Adam Curry: and we have the
webhook webhook. We haven't.

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Yeah, exactly. How cool is that?
Went? Well, I hooked it and it

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was done. I did. You know, of
course, the web hook does the

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pod pings are updated
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Dave Jones: this is the problem.
This is the problem with with

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all the with all the stuff that
we have going on a consistent

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basis. You forget what you've
done and what you haven't done.

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Adam Curry: FTP, the RSS was

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Dave Jones: like, Man, did you
bring out a laptop on the lunch

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date? Man, that's, that is a
killer. That is bad.

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Adam Curry: No, no, no. And so,
and I bring this up, because I

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just wanted to say that, you
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a breakdown, you and I get a
breakdown of transactions or the

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stuff that we know the stuff
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stats page. So yeah, what you
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and so we get kind of daily
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report that it's really it's
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reflections of what people are

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doing with value for value in
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down without a doubt. Fountain
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stuff. I mean, there's SATs
flying all over the place on

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that thing. And the more I've
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the more I love how it works.
And even with carrying the

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keeper our show, we often get a
booster gram from someone who

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says, Hey, I earned all these
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I'm boosting him to you. It's
really lovely. You know, you

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have they have the top 50 of
which they publish the top 10.

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And now we've even got living up
in a down world from our pastor,

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Pastor Jimmy and his wife who
have totally written off the

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Korean the keeper format. And
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the top 10 From time to time.
And it's the engagement is

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unbelievable. In fact, the
engagement is usually about 10

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times more than than the number
two. And in fact, I will do it

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by transaction. So the number of
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on fountain. But what's super
interesting is that pod verse

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who really have the lit stuff
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a lot of time on the
notifications and how it works

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and it's it's slick, it really
works. In fact, I probably use

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pod verse more often because of
it. Because I'll be sitting

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somewhere being our new media
show. I gotta go send some

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stupid to Todd Hold on a second.
I gotta I gotta tune in. So,

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Satoshi wise, amount wise, they
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on pod verse off the chart, not
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it's two different things,
right. It's two total different

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ways of using the value from Are
you system but man in

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combination with live? It's
beautiful and I listened to? I'm

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not sure if how they how Darren
O'Neil does his live show? I'm

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not sure if he's doing it
through a feed or I don't know

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exactly. But I hear him getting
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consistently. And even curio
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though you know it's a web app
and doesn't have doesn't have a

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notification system, but people
use that for the for the live

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for the live shows. It's it's
it's mind blowing how two

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different concepts work so well.

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Dave Jones: I think what you
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me let me

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Adam Curry: let me read. This is
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Dave Jones: Let me try to
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that fountain is always at the
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basis. But on the budget. As far
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yeah. Yeah. But on the day on
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for the Live episode, pod verse
is way above fountain on on on

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SATs. Yeah, the transaction
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is high. Exactly. And that that
shows the power of live Yes.

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Shows Yes. But you really get a
different. It's some you get a

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different, it's different
people. Because people that

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listen live, don't go back. And
typically I mean, so I'm sure

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some do. But typically people
that listen live, don't go back

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and listen to the show.
Afterwards, probably not an

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audience.

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Adam Curry: But it's also to
complete. This is what I've

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always hoped for. It's two
completely different apps. Both

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podcasts. Yeah. Both work fine
with podcasts. But Fountain has

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this massive interaction
engagement type thing. It's very

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sticky. And it was beauty has
been beautiful to see. My friend

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Jimmy and his wife start their
show, really with no knowledge.

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I mean, just, I mean, he's a
musician he understands. So he

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didn't he was afraid of creating
the show. didn't quite know how

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to use it. I hooked him up with
rss.com You know, where all of a

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sudden transcript showed up
automatically the split showed

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up. So all that stuff really
started and he got it right

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away. But he sees his community
on fountain, which is really

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cool, because he's, you know,
he's giving little boosts back

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to people who comment and stuff.
And they see that as a

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community. Whereas we have curio
Kassar, also just the podcast

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app, but really has the
community of the live shows. And

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I love that because now you have
two podcast apps, but it's not

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all the same thing. They're
using it in different ways. And

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I think there's so much more
that, that we can do with that

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there's so many more things that
can be created, particularly in

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the live sense, but even but
even in the engagement side,

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it's it just I'm so happy, you
know, and it's so easy at it for

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a podcast or to add a split
somewhere for some other service

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to get fired up. You know, just
to be now I put in 1% split that

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goes to my wallet on fountain.
So other shows shows up there

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even though I don't have a
wallet, I'm fountain, you know,

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that receives all the Satoshis.
It's just it's just mind

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boggling how much is happening
in completely different ways

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with the same basic podcast
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Dave Jones: What I'm waiting for
somebody to build the live

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instead of just like instead of
just putting live into an

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existing app, like build an
entire app around live who Yeah,

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you know, because what you're
really building is radio,

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Adam Curry: or YouTube or
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Dave Jones: Yeah, you're like,
you can imagine it, let's just

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let's just extrapolate out like,
I don't know, three years from

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now. You have, let's just say

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Adam Curry: three months, three
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I'll be alive. You might want to
tighten that up a bit.

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Dave Jones: You'll be living in
the living in Jamaica. But like,

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Oh, I remember was gonna say
about about Charleston. I

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remember why I brought that up.
You said you know, you look

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around, you're like, Oh, we
could live here. We looked

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around and we're like, nobody
can live here for less, you

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know,

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Adam Curry: for less than a
million dollars.

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Dave Jones: Like these houses?
No, no, we can't live here. But

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anyway, like, if you if you look
at three years in the field,

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let's just say there's 200 shows
doing live. Well. I mean, don't

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you at that point, aren't those
all like, essentially, you have

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radio stations at that point. I
mean, you can turn the dial and

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there's a deal going on with
there's probably a few shows

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happening streaming live so that
you begin to That becomes this

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sort of radio like experience.
Well, how about

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Adam Curry: the idea that Moe
and I have always had his

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versus, like, can I have like a
live vote? Do you like this

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versus that? Okay, you know,
click on this button to send

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sets to that to that wallet or
whatever. I'm not sure how it

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works. I'm just talking about,
you know, to register your vote

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here being or registering. Well,
versus the idea of versus is you

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got two DJs you know, DJ one, DJ
two, or rapper or hip hop,

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whatever it is, it doesn't could
be country herbs, classical for

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all I care. And, you know, with
the, with the music stuff, that

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we're starting to integrate live
music, I mean, all of this is

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totally possible. And it's all
within the grasp, and people are

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making money. I mean, there's
real money happening here. You

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know, there's like, hundreds of
dollars a day 1000s And 1000s a

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month. 10s of 1000s. This I
mean, just go look at V for B

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stats.com.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, Nathan says
Twitch for podcasting. Yes,

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good. Good analogy. There you
go. No, you're good. On the

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music side where we were.
Today's show was supposed to be

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my husband's to be Michael and
Sam from wave lake for the

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second time that got that got
derailed. I mean, this is like

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dude, like the, the cursed
podcast guests. But

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Adam Curry: then it got worse,
then it got worse, because you

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rescheduled them. And then
yesterday, I had my my scan for

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my teeth. And Dr. Mitch, he's
like, Oh, I'm so excited. You

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got seven millimeters of bone.
Bone edge, man. Yeah. He's like,

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26th of April, you're going
three hours, it'll be great

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then. And by the way, also not
on the brochure. After that

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three hour procedure, then three
months to heal. Then I get the

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teeth jacked arm. So I have,
I'll still be using

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Dave Jones: temporary slippers.
seven millimeters of bone.

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Adam Curry: Yeah, the group they
ossified myself.

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Dave Jones: That's a great show
title.

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Adam Curry: seven millimeters of
bone

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Dave Jones: the lot like live
performances and stuff. I mean,

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this is all there. This is all
there for the taking. So we'll

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we'll talk about we'll talk
about all that with them. But

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that really kind of needs to
your the vs thing made me think

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about, you know, a remote.

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Adam Curry: Item live. It's all
in there, man. It's all in. I'm

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so excited.

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Dave Jones: Speaking of. So, you
know, I've been going through

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the the namespace and converting
all the issues to discussions.

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Which has been a it's been it's
one of those things where as

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long and tedious but it actually
is. I'm really glad that that

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I'm going through this because
it helps me re read everything.

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Adam Curry: And actually,
whenever I see the email come

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in, Dave Jones has converted
this issue to a dense

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discussion. I'm like, okay,
click. Let's take a

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Dave Jones: look. Now wait,
wait, wait, we wait. Hang on,

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hang on. Are you saying that
every please tell me that every

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time I do this, people aren't
getting spammed with 100 emails?

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Adam Curry: No, not 100 Just one
every single time you convert an

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issue to a discussion, I get an
email. Every one.

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Dave Jones: Yeah, I'm happy
about that. Or is it only the

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ones that you've replied to in
some way? Or is it all of them?

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Adam Curry: Well, I I, I'm
subscribed to the whole GitHub,

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you know, so you can subscribe
to different things. I want to

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see it all. Yeah, it's just our
baby. I may not know how to how

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to use GitHub, but I can read an
email. I can I can click in and

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reply to someone and say I don't
agree with that. You know,

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something new

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Dave Jones: Eric P paces. He
gets all of them, but he's

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watching the repo. Okay. So if
you're watching the repo, you

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get all those? Yeah. So

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Adam Curry: I am watching the
repo. Correct. Okay. All right.

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Dave Jones: if I spend anybody
with conversions, my apologies,

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Adam Curry: don't care. I like
it. I'm cool with it.

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Dave Jones: But there's been a
lot of been a lot of great

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discovery going on here. Like,
let's see, where's my sheet

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here? Stuff I forgot about like,
the sponsor tag.

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Adam Curry: Yes, I saw this one.

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Dave Jones: And somebody Africa
who wasn't me. Was it Daniel, or

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no, it may have been, maybe
Mitch actually. Yeah, I think it

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was Mitch. He wanted a
continuous attribute on the live

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item. Tag.

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Adam Curry: Like oh, yes, yes.
Yeah. Like it's a continuous

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Dave Jones: Yeah. For things for
for stuff like 100%. Retro, yes.

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Adam Curry: that kind of makes
sense as far as I'm concerned.

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Dave Jones: See, okay. Now this
is this is one I mean, Well, I

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guess we're going, you got
anything else you wanna talk

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about? We need to do namespace
talk, or do we want to know I

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have something that we talk
about? Yeah. Okay, go go for

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because that was about it that
was about to dive into a

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namespace not off the off the
diving board. No,

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Adam Curry: well, actually, this
is your fault.

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Dave Jones: Please. Alright, I
woke up to it, whatever. Yeah,

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Adam Curry: the podcast
standards project launched.

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Well, that makes me explain what
you're

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00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,250
Dave Jones: okay. You just like
it you just like

436
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:40,350
Adam Curry: or not the whole
thing. Now, let me get to the

437
00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:45,510
year for the podcast. And let me
get to your ballpark. Because,

438
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:51,300
okay, you know, this launch. And
of course, I read the blog post,

439
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:55,020
with all respect a little, a
little flowery, a little, just

440
00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:57,450
seemed to be different,
different versions of

441
00:25:57,450 --> 00:26:03,480
explanation of what this exactly
is about. And, you know, and you

442
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,950
said, Oh, listen to the buzz
cast. It's a very good

443
00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:11,880
explanation. And I'll let you
know, and you're my partner,

444
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520
like, Okay, I immediately
stopped whatever I was doing,

445
00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:16,680
measuring my bone, and I went

446
00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:21,090
Dave Jones: six millimeters. So
we're gonna let me

447
00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:23,550
Adam Curry: listen to the
podcast. This is the Buzzsprout

448
00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:28,080
podcast. I know who's on that.
Who's on the it's Kevin, Kevin,

449
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:31,470
Dave Jones: Kevin, and Alvin and
Jordan. Right. Okay.

450
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:36,000
Adam Curry: And so there is a
very good explanation. And I'm

451
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,190
like, Oh, okay. Cuz I've heard,
you know, couple of varying

452
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:45,360
things. And then they get into
analogies, which was a hilarious

453
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,290
bit, you know, and I think it
was maybe album did a did

454
00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:52,290
analogy, which was, which was
great. Except that doesn't work

455
00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:54,240
for women. So it was like
completely completely

456
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600
misogynist. And like, Oh, dude,
I knew that he was going down a

457
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,580
bad road with that. But then
Kevin gave his his analogy. And

458
00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:08,010
I wanted to play that because it
really explained what, what

459
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:12,420
they're trying to do with the
core Protocol, or I think RSS is

460
00:27:12,420 --> 00:27:15,720
a format, right? It's not really
a protocol. I mean, I forget how

461
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,030
you've been asked that it
doesn't matter format. Format

462
00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:20,520
doesn't even matter what you
mean to answer. Did you know I

463
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,610
did, I'm sorry, no, don't answer
it. It's not worth it. Because

464
00:27:23,610 --> 00:27:26,430
we get a lot of emails, or you
can always boost the grandmas.

465
00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:29,520
If you disagree with something.
It's not important, but it's

466
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,610
this format. So I want to play
that analogy from the buzz cast.

467
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,060
Here we go.

468
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:35,820
Unknown: Let's talk about email.
So email, there has been a

469
00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:38,310
standard that's been around for
years and years and years, I

470
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:40,980
really have no idea how old the
email spec is, when I talk when

471
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:44,070
we talk about email protocols.
We're mostly talking about IMAP,

472
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,460
which is pretty much what runs
Internet Mail. Nowadays, there

473
00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:49,290
was another one called Pop
three, but they were they were

474
00:27:49,290 --> 00:27:52,080
compatible, very similar
technologies. And most email

475
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,530
transfers on both of these two
protocols. But for for years and

476
00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:58,980
years, when email came out, it
always looked the same, whether

477
00:27:58,980 --> 00:28:03,750
you're in Outlook, or Yahoo, or
whatever, well, about 20 years

478
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,060
ago, Google said, We're gonna
launch an email client, we're

479
00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:08,580
gonna do things a little bit
differently. And they organized

480
00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:10,560
your email differently. They
organized it by threads. And

481
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,480
they said, instead of trading
folders and putting things in

482
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,180
folders, you can just tag stuff
and just archive it. And if you

483
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,130
want to dig it up, again, your
primary way to do that is going

484
00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,680
to be search. This is all
proprietary technology that was

485
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,010
built off of the same standard
protocol. Since then, in recent

486
00:28:23,010 --> 00:28:25,260
years, we've seen more
innovation happen in email, like

487
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:27,540
now another company came along
called superhuman, and they

488
00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:31,650
decided to innovate on top of
people with Gmail addresses, but

489
00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,570
they're just using that way
stuck on the back.

490
00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:36,060
Dave Jones: superhuman,

491
00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:40,080
Adam Curry: I've never heard of
this shit. I don't know what

492
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,330
this is. It sounds like
something I want to check out

493
00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:46,230
though. It's great. Yeah. So
again, it's all analogy about

494
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:50,280
things built on top of IMAP,
there was pop three as well, but

495
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,840
by maps far superior,

496
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,910
Unknown: people with Gmail
addresses, but they're just

497
00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:56,520
using that same protocol in the
background. They're saying, we

498
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,670
don't actually have to serve the
email, let Google do that. But

499
00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:03,150
we can improve upon Google's
interface around it. So we're

500
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:05,340
leveraging a protocol that's
been delivered by another

501
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:09,180
company. And we provide our own
UI, again, all innovation that's

502
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:12,450
happening on top of a standard
protocol. And then just even

503
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:15,210
more recently than superhuman,
you have Basecamp, which is now

504
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:17,220
called 37, signals to the
company behind Hey, they

505
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:19,440
launched their own email
product. And they say we're

506
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,930
gonna thread messages as well.
But we have some new ideas

507
00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:23,820
around the interface, and we're
going to strain stuff out, we're

508
00:29:23,820 --> 00:29:25,920
not going to let people into
your inbox by default, you have

509
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,370
to get give them permission to
land in your inbox. Like, again,

510
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,090
more innovation that's happening
upon layers of a standard

511
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:35,820
protocol. And that's the same
thing that can happen in

512
00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:39,600
podcasting. But we don't have to
change the original protocols

513
00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:42,870
like RSS is great. The
extensions and the namespaces

514
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,750
that are built on top of them
are great. So the podcast

515
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:47,490
interest project, we're not
going to come out and say, Hey,

516
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,160
we need a new namespace. It's
going to be the new podcast

517
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,460
standards namespace. No, there
are great namespaces that exist.

518
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,100
All we're doing is trying to
figure out the best of all of

519
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,830
them and putting them together
and saying, Hey, if you're gonna

520
00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:01,950
build technology in the space
let's all agree to support these

521
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,980
things as table stakes, and then
innovate on top of that, and

522
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:07,950
create great experiences for on
both sides for the podcast or

523
00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:11,310
for the listeners, for
advertisers for whatever, but

524
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,920
like we need some set of ground
rules to be able to all work

525
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,760
from so that what we build works
for a lot of people. I think

526
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,000
that

527
00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:20,130
Dave Jones: going forward toward
we should have an ongoing

528
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,850
segment of Kevin and I try to
think of different areas where

529
00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:27,060
there's I've got some,

530
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:30,870
Adam Curry: okay, so you
understand the basic idea is,

531
00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:35,370
they're not trying to recreate
what podcasting 2.0 has done, or

532
00:30:35,370 --> 00:30:38,820
what, what Apple's done with the
iTunes namespace, not trying to

533
00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:43,470
rewrite RSS 2.0. We're trying to
create an industry group that

534
00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:46,590
says, hey, this is the place you
come to, if you want to know

535
00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:50,430
what kind of the baseline is,
for a podcast hosting company

536
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:53,640
for a pack, podcast client. And
it's also the place you can say,

537
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400
hey, if only where could I if
I've already seen them say, oh,

538
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,010
no, you wanna if you want to
propose a tag over the podcast

539
00:30:59,010 --> 00:31:02,250
namespace, I like that a lot.
And I'd like to give my own

540
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:04,140
analogy. So

541
00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:06,960
Dave Jones: which I think I also
have an analogy, and I will, but

542
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,400
I will do it after your analogy.

543
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:13,740
Adam Curry: Oh, good. Oh, no,
it's the analogy show. What two

544
00:31:13,740 --> 00:31:16,890
and a half, three years ago,
open podcasting came under

545
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:20,190
attack from big tech had been
brewing for a while. But as one

546
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:23,550
of the creators of podcasting, I
considered it my duty to defend

547
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:27,540
to protect what we ended up with
Dave Winer, but you know, what

548
00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:31,680
we initially created and a lot
of people, a lot of stakeholders

549
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160
and open podcasting built on
RSS. So Dave, you and I, we

550
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000
built a fortress, around the
freedom that was created almost

551
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,400
two decades ago. Regardless, I

552
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,020
Dave Jones: like this good
analysis,

553
00:31:43,020 --> 00:31:44,460
Adam Curry: the fortress of
freedom you like that?

554
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,900
Regardless of any agenda from
Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Google,

555
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,990
we ensured that there will
always be a free and open home

556
00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:59,010
for podcasting at podcast
index.org and assure its

557
00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,340
longevity by publishing the
entire database, which we we

558
00:32:02,340 --> 00:32:06,660
dropped one every single week,
anybody can down, anybody could

559
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:10,050
could replicate what we're doing
and set up a new index. If we've

560
00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:13,770
keel over. Whatever happens, we
if we say, Oh, we're done when

561
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:16,680
you don't want it anymore,
anybody can do it. So that

562
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,310
fortress of freedom for
podcasting and podcasting, on

563
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:24,300
that end is done. Now, we also
decided to fix a problem for the

564
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,250
development of improvements, and
modernization of podcasting. And

565
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:32,730
we did this. I think this was,
honestly I think this is the

566
00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:38,190
genius. We did this by enabling
participation in the value flow

567
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:42,630
of podcasting, by creating an
incentive that allowed anybody

568
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:45,540
including application developers
and service providers any to

569
00:32:45,540 --> 00:32:50,010
benefit from its success. That
meant mistakenly seen by some as

570
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:54,210
crypto bro stuff, the value for
value system created a simple

571
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:57,000
and elegant way for anyone
providing value to the system to

572
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,980
receive value in return. That
was really a counter attack on

573
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,120
the big tech companies, who
always always expect content

574
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,000
creators and software developers
to give up their work for free

575
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,770
or 99 cents. You know, it's not
very incentivizing in the big

576
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:18,750
tech model, to our weapons in
this, you know, fight for

577
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:22,170
freedom, if you will, our
software and content. And by the

578
00:33:22,170 --> 00:33:25,260
way, I don't see much difference
between someone writing content

579
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:27,690
for a podcast or writing code,
it's all writing, it's all

580
00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:31,080
creative. It all comes out of
human beings. And we put it into

581
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,530
computer one way or the other,
whether it's digital audio or

582
00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:39,030
digital bits of code podcasters
in their audience now today have

583
00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:44,040
over 70 apps and services to
choose from, that really created

584
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,030
this formidable front that
consists of I think, over a half

585
00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:51,810
million modernized views of
which 12,800 now are sharing

586
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:57,390
value is kind of the right
number. Yep. So inch by inch tag

587
00:33:57,390 --> 00:34:01,740
by tag, we are gaining
territory. And we do this by

588
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:06,540
creating podcasts enriched with
new forms of content

589
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:10,140
implementing features far faster
than any big tech companies

590
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:14,520
could ever dream of. Now as with
any conflict, and I think and

591
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,450
I've we I've always felt this
conflict with certainly Spotify

592
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:21,570
and to a degree Apple more
recently and and YouTube and all

593
00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,750
those guy conflict. So we have
conflict, you need fighters on

594
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:27,450
the front lines, that's
podcasting 2.0 and the

595
00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:32,400
podcasters and their audiences
using the modern ecosystem. But

596
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,630
with conflict you also need a
vision of resolution no war

597
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:41,760
lasts forever. So for that we
need diplomats and right on cue

598
00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:44,730
the podcast Standards Project
you like it Do you like my

599
00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:45,090
analogy?

600
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:50,040
Dave Jones: I like this tourney
turned so like it.

601
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:52,980
Adam Curry: So we need the
diplomats here comes podcast

602
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:56,370
standards project that was
really willed into existence.

603
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,280
And I want to personally
congratulate the founding

604
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,790
members for publishing this
monumental task, which has been

605
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:07,170
tried many times in the past,
but they never had the fighters

606
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:10,800
on the front line, warriors
armed with scissors and gaffer

607
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:19,500
tape. I'm glad I'm making you
laugh. So the product, the

608
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,330
podcast, Standards Project, its
goals, as I understand them,

609
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:29,970
will help bring peace to the
open podcast ecosystem. It also

610
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,510
is critical when it comes to
conflict, give big tech away

611
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:37,320
out, not capitulation, but they
can participate participation.

612
00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:43,020
So recently, the big tech
podcast Industrial Complex has

613
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,410
been somewhat crippled by a
cyclical soft advertising market

614
00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:49,800
and a very unattractive
investment climate, imagine how

615
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,270
much value they can participate
in and create if they adopt

616
00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:00,120
pieces of a namespace. Now in
every society, we have military

617
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,300
and diplomats, right, it's two
sides of the same coin. Now,

618
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:06,030
typically, the diplomats and
politicians, they fund the

619
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:10,770
military, we are flipping that
script. And to kickstart it, I

620
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,310
personally am going to add a
split in every value block I

621
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:18,780
control to help fund our
diplomatic front, because no

622
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,120
one's talking about how they're
going to fund what they need to

623
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,840
do. And that way, we can also
avoid power struggles and

624
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,700
corruption. And if everyone who
uses value for value puts a 1%

625
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,270
split for the for the project
standards, for the podcast

626
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:36,450
Standards Project, I think it
will really make a difference.

627
00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:38,850
As soon as they have a wallet
set up or added to all my feeds,

628
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:42,390
I'll promote it to other people
to do it as well. I am now

629
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:46,980
understanding what we have here,
which is a totally different

630
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:51,030
from the traditional world. When
you have the military and you

631
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:53,460
have the diplomats on
politician. I'm excited about

632
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:56,880
the future of pot open
podcasting. I welcome our new

633
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,940
brothers in arms. I think it's
gonna be fantastic.

634
00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:04,800
Dave Jones: You are proposing a
is a version of like the NDA.

635
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,640
But for your defense
authorization?

636
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,150
Adam Curry: Well, here's really
how I was looking at it, like,

637
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,320
yes, Ukraine and Russia and
along comes China. And she is

638
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,780
like, hey, that would have
stopped this war. But I didn't

639
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:24,780
like the idea of calling anybody
China, Ukraine or Russia. So I

640
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:30,810
left all of that. But yeah, so
but instead of the politicians

641
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:35,940
funding the NDA and slipping in
all kinds of bull crap, we

642
00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:38,730
flipped it around the people on
the front line, like, Okay,

643
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:42,690
we've we have value coming in,
we're gonna pass I am I hope we

644
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:45,060
get other people to do it, I
want to pass off some of that

645
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:49,500
value to the politicians who
will need this, they will need

646
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:53,370
some kind of funding for things.
It's small right now. But you

647
00:37:53,370 --> 00:37:56,790
know, it, everyone can see it.
It'll be open, it'll be clear.

648
00:37:57,180 --> 00:37:58,740
You know, it doesn't have to
come. We don't have to go

649
00:37:58,740 --> 00:38:01,410
sucking off some big tech
company will be able to fund

650
00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:04,500
their own little initiatives.
And maybe they say, hey, hey,

651
00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:07,500
fighters, you guys got any more?
We want to do something. We need

652
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,690
some more. I'll be the first one
to step up.

653
00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:16,710
Dave Jones: As I see this, and I
don't know, I don't know if this

654
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:20,880
is what they intended. But I
think this is what they are one

655
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,980
of their missions, is not just
standardization, but advocacy.

656
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:28,110
Yes. Oh, yeah. To my
understanding that right,

657
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,810
Adam Curry: I believe so. Yes, I
believe so. Well,

658
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Dave Jones: I was gonna give my
analogy but you I mean, yours is

659
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,700
like, so over the top and blew
me out of the water. I mean,

660
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,480
look, I like likes, like
following Dave Chappelle. I

661
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,580
Adam Curry: can't really do
this. I would very much like to

662
00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:46,380
hear your analogy. Well, I

663
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:51,720
Dave Jones: mean, my, my analogy
is more along the lines of on

664
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,260
the on the email side of things,
the the IMAP thing that's a good

665
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:58,770
that's that's that's pretty
good. That to me, the better.

666
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,710
The better analogy here is on
the email side of things. Is

667
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:08,370
HTML email. Every marketers
worst?

668
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,070
Adam Curry: Very good point.
Very good point.

669
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:18,180
Dave Jones: Every there every
email app supports a subset of

670
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:24,000
HTML tags and attributes. Every
one of them are different. In

671
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,900
fact, don't you literally their
services that will literally pay

672
00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:31,680
to show you how your email looks
different in every single app.

673
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Adam Curry: I believe that's
even one of the first things

674
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320
they put into their into the
Standards Project is how you do

675
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,870
HTML in the in the podcast feed.

676
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:45,510
Dave Jones: Yeah, so currently,
currently, I wouldn't looked so

677
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:49,170
right now if somebody wants to
know how to properly format

678
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:52,140
their show notes. Like if you
have a, let's just say a new

679
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:55,860
hosting company or a podcast or
something. And they just or you

680
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:59,370
know, whoever and they just want
to know okay, what is the right

681
00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:05,490
way to form mesh show notes. You
literally have to go. The pretty

682
00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:10,020
much authoritative answer is an
amalgamation of two are

683
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:15,150
different articles on pod news.
How podcast one is titled How

684
00:40:15,150 --> 00:40:18,480
podcast show notes display in
podcast apps. The other one is

685
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,780
titled, How to Make Your episode
notes work in all podcast

686
00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:25,290
players. I mean, James is a
great guy. No, but I don't I

687
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:26,010
mean, like,

688
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:28,890
Adam Curry: that's no place to
go. That's not no shouldn't be

689
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:30,030
the place to go. Right?

690
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:34,710
Dave Jones: This is silly. I
mean, there should be in like

691
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:40,710
something just taking that
analogy. How should I format my

692
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:43,980
show notes to make them display
correctly? How should blink be?

693
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,910
How long should they be so that
things don't get cut off? So you

694
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:53,460
take all of those things, you
can design the base standard, so

695
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:58,080
that it covers all of the
different podcast apps, so that

696
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,980
the podcast apps themselves
don't actually have to change?

697
00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:05,670
Right? You can say you can say,
okay, the the podcast app,

698
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,630
there's,

699
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:09,450
Adam Curry: the hosting
companies would presumably take

700
00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:11,790
care of that. And they'd hide
all the things we're talking

701
00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:13,650
about behind their UI.

702
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,280
Dave Jones: Sure, sure. But then
the pup, but the published spec

703
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,220
has to be somewhere. Yes. Oh,
no, it's not

704
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:21,990
Adam Curry: anywhere. Exactly.
And

705
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:25,590
Dave Jones: it Yeah, no, go.
Yeah. And it, we'll see what

706
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:29,610
else it like. So you could say
and I think this is, I think

707
00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:34,770
this is important to the podcast
Standards Project. Ethos, is

708
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,280
let's just say that in this is
actually the case. But let's say

709
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,570
that you have, you know, 10
different podcast apps, and

710
00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,790
three of them support up to 4000
characters in the show notes.

711
00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:52,950
Five of them support up to 3200,
blah, blah, blah. So what you do

712
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:57,030
is you just take the one, that's
the that's the lowest. And you

713
00:41:57,030 --> 00:42:00,750
build your standard around that.
That covers Everybody see what

714
00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:04,740
I'm saying? Yeah, you're doing
it in such a way to where the

715
00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:08,580
pot the standard is, you only
have it this long, because then

716
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,280
Adam Curry: no one works for
everybody. No one has to change

717
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,260
anything. Exactly. Right. So

718
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,210
Dave Jones: I think I think that
I guess what I'm trying to say

719
00:42:15,210 --> 00:42:18,990
is that I think that the
podcast, Anders project, can

720
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:24,480
design a whole bunch of out of
the box, sort of standard doc

721
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,590
standardize document

722
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:27,720
Adam Curry: that are good to go.
If you take if you take that

723
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,690
that. Yeah, and the most common,

724
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,880
Dave Jones: and they don't end
up. They don't end up say,

725
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,400
arguing the industry arguing
Well, or saying, Hey, you

726
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,620
podcast that developer, you got
to go change your craft to

727
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,060
adhere to our stand. Right.

728
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,620
Adam Curry: Right. Exactly.

729
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:48,360
Dave Jones: He's important. Good
point.

730
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:49,260
Adam Curry: Good point,

731
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:51,480
Dave Jones: because we already
told her heard Marcos, they I

732
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,040
don't want people telling me
what to do. Yeah.

733
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:58,380
Adam Curry: So anyway, so I'm
this, now that I understand

734
00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:03,090
from, you know, from the bus,
and I think, I don't want to say

735
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,280
I know it, everyone's worked on
this. Look, for over a decade,

736
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:13,830
this has been tried and beat and
just always kind of resulted in

737
00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:16,440
the same thing. And that's
because they didn't have

738
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,900
fighters in the form on the
front line. And we just went out

739
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,090
said, Okay, we're gonna go kick
some ass over here. And we're

740
00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:24,960
doing this, and we're building
our own our own apps, and we're

741
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,800
gonna do what we want to do. And
now it's perfect time to have to

742
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,140
have this come in. And then
hopefully, remember, content is

743
00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:37,770
is the most powerful weapon we
have, if you have an entire

744
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:41,850
collection, which we already do.
But let's expand that even more

745
00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:46,830
of the hosting companies and
apps that are producing content.

746
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,070
And that is, ultimately, let's
make no mistake, the goal has

747
00:43:50,070 --> 00:43:54,210
always been for people to say,
Hey, Apple, Spotify, can you

748
00:43:54,210 --> 00:44:00,060
want to play nice, that's always
been the goal. So there's now a

749
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:02,580
standardized way to say, here's
what you should do and look at

750
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:06,270
all this content. You're crazy,
because, okay, it's 1% now,

751
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:12,360
well, maybe 2%. But for some
shows, you know, 10% like, no

752
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,850
agenda has 10% of the listeners
on apps is pod verse. That's

753
00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:23,880
pretty big. Yeah. Considering
the size of the show. So is it

754
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,680
that high? No. But yeah,
Spurlock sent me that grace from

755
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:32,160
another another great thing, you
know, we have real numbers that

756
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:37,380
at least we all have the same
number. Like, it doesn't matter

757
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:40,470
how accurate it is necessarily,
but we have the same number and

758
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,280
we can all look at it on an
equal basis. This is this is

759
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,510
truly beautiful, and I only want
to contribute to making it work.

760
00:44:49,110 --> 00:44:53,160
And I'm quite sure that that we
can there's always going to be

761
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,220
bumps and hurdles and stuff like
that. And nothing changes for

762
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,370
us. We keep running with
scissors and doing our thing. I

763
00:44:59,370 --> 00:45:03,960
mean, we're already reading
verses in our head. And that

764
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,040
will happen but I also truly
think, you know, I had a chat

765
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,150
with Steve Leeds. He has a
remind me who that is. Steve

766
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:15,510
Leeds is actually the guy who
called me when I was in Holland

767
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:20,280
in 1986 and said, Hey, Steve
leaves a want to come work for

768
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,810
MTV. I said in New York, he
said, Yeah, yeah, okay. Sure.

769
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:31,020
And, and I was like, four months
later, I was in Manhattan, and I

770
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,530
was getting ready to do MTV,
which I was there for seven,

771
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,820
seven years. Steve isn't has
been in the music business for

772
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:43,860
all of us. He's now in his early
70s. And Steve, he goes, he was

773
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:46,800
the a&r guy for Led Zeppelin. If
that gives you a little bit of

774
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,180
an idea how far back Steve goes.
And he has these contacts. Steve

775
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:55,320
is the guy to be say, Steve,
this old colleague of mine,

776
00:45:56,010 --> 00:46:01,290
Julia, she's in Ireland and she
really would love to see if she

777
00:46:01,290 --> 00:46:03,780
can you know, it's been hard for
her to get tickets to see you to

778
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:06,600
shoot a huge YouTube fan. Can
you hook her up anyway she's

779
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480
willing to pay for and what
happens and as Steve puts in the

780
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,870
call, she doesn't get tickets
now. She gets the full on come

781
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:16,110
to the office, which is a huge
warehouse they have in Dublin

782
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:20,880
gets to see all the sets for the
what was the youth the TV tour,

783
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,270
whatever that one was, yeah,
this new TV takes us through

784
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,570
ever. You get to meet everybody
gets free tickets, backstage

785
00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:31,560
passes gets shuttled with a
limo. That's what's that Steve

786
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,010
leads is connections that's
directly from the guy the

787
00:46:35,010 --> 00:46:43,860
manager. And he was at Sirius XM
for the past 18 years. He built

788
00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:50,190
a huge talent artists
relationship. department within

789
00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:55,140
Sirius XM. Just like everybody
else, Sirius XM was firing

790
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,500
people. Hey, is an old white
guy. Let's get rid of him. So

791
00:46:59,130 --> 00:47:04,380
Steve gets canned. And, and it's
interesting because I get a call

792
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:12,840
from him from a command. What's
his name? The bird. I got a call

793
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:18,690
from a bird. Roger McQuinn.
Roger McQueen calls me Do you

794
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:19,410
know the birds?

795
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:21,300
Dave Jones: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

796
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:25,470
Adam Curry: The guy with the you
know, who had the extra string

797
00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:30,210
on his guitar? With a seven
string guitar. Nice. Crazy. So

798
00:47:30,210 --> 00:47:33,600
McGuane calls me says dude,
Steve got got cans of serious.

799
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,590
Oh, shoot. I'm gonna give him a
call. So I call and Steve's

800
00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:41,160
fine. It actually his wife
passed away a year ago.

801
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:46,800
Horrible. Ms. Like a horrible
lengthy says. But he's but no,

802
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:51,360
actually two years ago. But he's
had a girlfriend now she's age

803
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,600
appropriate. She's 66 You know,
the going down to the shore.

804
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:59,640
He's happy has he has money. But
enough, but he's a guy who needs

805
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,280
to work. You know, he's like
this guy. You know, he can't

806
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,110
just sit on his ass. He's not
not dead.

807
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:08,160
Dave Jones: Fully. Age
appropriate girlfriend. Yeah,

808
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,150
that's that's important.

809
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,650
Adam Curry: Of course. And so.
And I'm talking he's like, and

810
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:17,640
he's like, No, I just, I can't
really bring myself the music

811
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,510
business is so broken. It's so
messed up. Mr. Steve, let me

812
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:24,030
tell you what we're doing. So
I'm telling this stuff. He's

813
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:28,860
like, Oh, holy crap. And then he
starts telling me about the

814
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:34,260
business. He's like, it is so
broken. He says Spotify will

815
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:39,750
never ever, ever make any money.
The way the fees are structured

816
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:43,440
with the record companies.
They'll never even break even.

817
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,580
It's impossible. That's why they
went all in on podcasting. And

818
00:48:47,580 --> 00:48:51,000
he said to be to his credit, he
said, you know, Sirius XM or

819
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,320
iHeart? Whoever was they? They
bought like Tim Coco. He says,

820
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,730
yes, your wolf or whatever,
faster spent, like $75 million

821
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:02,040
for like repeats. He says, Who
gives a shit?

822
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:04,710
Dave Jones: That's bad.

823
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:06,300
Adam Curry: He says, Who gives a
shit about all that stuff?

824
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,460
Because I don't know. I don't
know where the value is. I don't

825
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:12,360
get it. And so we're talking
about this. I'm like, you know,

826
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,090
what an awkward and it's I'm
trying to pull them over. I'm

827
00:49:15,090 --> 00:49:18,090
like, Dude, can you maybe this
is something that you can help

828
00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:22,800
bands with it because he knows
everybody, everything even you

829
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,280
know, especially radio. I mean,
he knows radio really well. But

830
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,650
he knows everybody in
everything. He knows where all

831
00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:31,620
that just he knows where all the
buried. The bodies are buried,

832
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:34,080
but knows all the opportunities.
I'm trying to get him to be a

833
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,010
consultant or something to work
with. Yeah, with 2.0 bands, you

834
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:40,830
know? So I sent them a whole
bunch of links, and I'll follow

835
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:43,500
up with them. But it was really
interesting to hear that this

836
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,500
guy who knows everybody in the
industry doesn't even want to do

837
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,420
anything in the industry that he
comes from. He says so shit. And

838
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:55,020
it's just it's broken. But he
got really excited about what

839
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:58,590
we're doing and how it would
work. So I'm just putting that

840
00:49:58,590 --> 00:50:01,080
out there and then you know in
No two years, we'll have our

841
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,180
interview with the WaveLight
guys, and we'll be able to talk

842
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:03,390
about

843
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:09,420
Dave Jones: the, I don't know if
you've noticed this kind of out

844
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,870
of subscribe to, in my free
micellar I just grab this

845
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:17,610
subscribe to, I don't know, some
music, business thing, music,

846
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:20,970
business feed or whatever. And
it's just now it's become just

847
00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:25,020
this, the music industry has now
become like a trading desk, of

848
00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:30,900
all of the like, like there's no
really great powerful music

849
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,950
coming out anymore. It's
timeless. Everything is just a

850
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:38,640
product of it's sort of very
quick and

851
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:42,930
Adam Curry: most format life has
become really fought the hips

852
00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:45,540
have become very formatted the
Writing teams, you know, they're

853
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:49,170
all from Sweden, they all come
in with seven writers, you know,

854
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:52,500
it's like it's all split up. And
then it just goes into the big

855
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,160
bad void. I think personally,
I've dealt with BMI but ASCAP,

856
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,960
BMI, or big black boxes, you
know, you you your stuff gets

857
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,280
sold and play or played in that
case. You know, 48 months later,

858
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,920
a penny drops out, you know,
where's the rest? You got to

859
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,080
always Sue everybody. You know?

860
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:13,770
Dave Jones: MPP says, Oh, it all
feels disposable. Yeah, it feels

861
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:17,910
totally dispensing you take that
again, you know, I was were

862
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:21,330
talking to him before the show.
Listen to some tunes. And I was

863
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,140
talking about Jerry Reed. And
like, I can say this about Jerry

864
00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:31,260
Reed, that guy can eat the frets
off a guitar. I mean, like,

865
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,800
like, I mean, he can just tear
up a guitar. And I'm like, you

866
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,010
can't really say that about
people today. Like those kinds

867
00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:44,970
of phrases. The musical, the
music is not timeless, but you

868
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:50,970
do have this timeless that you
have a catalogue of timeless

869
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:56,640
music that has character. And it
has and it's powerful. And so

870
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,300
what the music business is seems
to be doing now is they have

871
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,620
their disposable Tiktok tunes.
And then they have this, these

872
00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:07,980
various catalogs of old music
that people actually go back and

873
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:12,330
listen to all the time. And they
in is become sort of just a

874
00:52:12,330 --> 00:52:15,600
trading desk where they just got
rights from each other. Right?

875
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,200
Yes.

876
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:19,740
Adam Curry: So the rights here,
so the rights there, you also

877
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:22,740
sell the rights to tick tock
sell the rights to YouTube. So

878
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:27,180
you know, and the artists, the
smart ones who've been around

879
00:52:27,180 --> 00:52:30,900
long enough, but here's my $20
million payday, I'm gonna sell

880
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,510
my catalog the whole thing, you
go and market it and hoard out

881
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:34,290
whoever you want.

882
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:37,830
Dave Jones: Yeah, but it's like,
it's like the office. It's like

883
00:52:37,830 --> 00:52:40,110
that show the office. Everybody
just keeps trading that thing

884
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:44,910
around and whoever's the most
recent buyer of the REITs and it

885
00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:50,070
just makes me think that that's
it. That's all it is. Now, we

886
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:54,030
there's no fixing it until you
put it back in the hands of the

887
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:54,480
people.

888
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:57,180
Adam Curry: Well, we needed a
new way of packaging a new way

889
00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:01,230
of selling something that's
outside of the model. Just like

890
00:53:01,230 --> 00:53:03,930
podcasting, which you know,
radio went through the same, the

891
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:08,430
same cycle, I mean, radio has
become completely homogenized.

892
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:13,140
It's 20 minutes of commercials
per hour. It all comes out of

893
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:17,760
Gillette or some of these other
playout systems DJs are just I

894
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,200
mean, shoot, we got the chat GPT
DJs eventually in Oh, that's

895
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,010
cheaper. Just shut up. Read the
liner card. I mean, I come from

896
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:29,850
a place where I used to pick the
songs I think about my show Oh,

897
00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:31,680
it's just kind of weather today
I'm gonna play bill where

898
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,720
there's lovely day, you know, or
whatever. That is all gone long,

899
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:40,770
long, long gone. And podcasting
has brought that back now

900
00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:45,090
because of the licensing regime
that we've always had. You know,

901
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:48,510
I technically I legally cannot
play bill with this lovely day

902
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,410
on the podcast for a whole bunch
of reasons and please don't

903
00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:55,920
convince me otherwise not true.
You can if you have a radio

904
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680
station you'd have a stream I
mean there's they made it so the

905
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,130
old guy the old guard could
still could still use the

906
00:54:02,130 --> 00:54:06,120
internet in that in that way.
But I want to play you know

907
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:09,570
stuff I want to play something
from wave like I want to play it

908
00:54:09,570 --> 00:54:11,820
all from waves I want to play
from SoundCloud I want to play

909
00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:15,360
it from from a dystopia I want I
want to do interviews I want to

910
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,240
make sure that they when they
come on my show that the remote

911
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:22,230
item gets the whole band and
everyone paid with splits and I

912
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:24,630
want it offline over the place
and I want people I want to do

913
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:32,700
it live we do live you know i i
hunkered for that. And I know

914
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:38,040
that we can recreate this whole
business overnight, particularly

915
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,300
with the lit stuff. I can I can
smell it almost

916
00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:48,120
Dave Jones: as this is a good
quote. You posted that Vanity

917
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:53,610
Fair article. Pretty good. dumb
money is gone.

918
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,250
Adam Curry: Yeah, it got some
point some valid pushback.

919
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,710
Actually it was I think Spurlock
made me laugh the loudest. So

920
00:55:01,710 --> 00:55:09,810
the title of the article in
Vanity Fair is on a second. The

921
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:14,880
title is the dumb money is gone
is the podcast boom going bust.

922
00:55:15,690 --> 00:55:19,890
And Spurlock replies, the dumb
money isn't truly gone until

923
00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:25,890
Vanity Fair stops writing above
average good. That was pretty

924
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:26,370
good.

925
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:30,900
Dave Jones: Okay, that's a good
point. By the end of that

926
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:36,810
article, I thought it was I
thought it was was good and

927
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:42,750
depressing at the same time. He
says, I want to see I think, I

928
00:55:42,750 --> 00:55:47,520
wanted Heidegger's had
Heidegger, I had decanters, I

929
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,070
don't know how to pronounce his
name. I wanted his thoughts as

930
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:52,920
someone who had just launched a
podcast company at the very

931
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,260
moment, when it's starting to
feel like maybe the party's

932
00:55:55,260 --> 00:55:59,220
over. Quote, I think it's bleak
right now for a lot of people in

933
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:02,940
podcasting, podcasting, he said,
and it's really unfortunate that

934
00:56:02,940 --> 00:56:06,300
so many people have lost their
jobs. But at the same time,

935
00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:09,450
there were a lot of, there was a
lot of commissioning of mediocre

936
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:13,110
content, in places have really
been reluctant, reluctant to cut

937
00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:17,610
things. I do think that two
years from now, the advertising

938
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,450
is advertising is going to come
in, and they're going to be

939
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:26,580
better ways to target audiences,
the companies that can build in

940
00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:31,320
these two years will be will be
successful in the end. Right? I

941
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:38,820
think that is the most
delusional thing. Well, there's

942
00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:41,940
gonna be two, it's like, the
advertising is gonna come back

943
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,840
in two years. And in that time,
and by then we will have better

944
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,980
ways to target people. No, you
won't. All the ways to target

945
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:52,770
people that exist have been
pretty already exists,

946
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:55,650
Adam Curry: pretty much been
been hollowed out all the way.

947
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,230
Dave Jones: You can't, it's you
can't conceive of a way to

948
00:57:01,230 --> 00:57:05,070
target people that doesn't
already exist, right? But,

949
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:09,960
Adam Curry: but also, it doesn't
fix the core problem. The value

950
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,950
flow, everyone has to benefit.
You can't We can't go back and

951
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:18,150
say, All right, podcasts have
the right, you've got money.

952
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:21,990
Again, we've got ads running,
but no one else in the system

953
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:27,330
gets some of that value. And I
want to really, we need

954
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:30,210
marketing and advertising in our
life. No doubt about it. You

955
00:57:30,210 --> 00:57:34,140
need to be able to find out
about products and services. But

956
00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:39,930
that homogenized system of veils
and filling slots is boring is

957
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:43,860
boring to me. I think it's
boring, the audience's I hear

958
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:46,620
people complaining about it.
People tune it out. They try to

959
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:53,370
ignore it, I think in show you
know, kind of like endorse

960
00:57:53,370 --> 00:57:57,000
endorsements, paid endorsements
is fine as appropriate. I love

961
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,690
bridesmaids magazine, because
you get great ads in there for

962
00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:05,010
wedding dresses for DJs for
venues. That makes total sense.

963
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:14,280
Did you just crumble up $100
bill out of a barn. So there's

964
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,020
plenty of things to do. But I
think the timeline two years is

965
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,270
probably appropriate. But it's
not going to be what they're

966
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:25,350
thinking. I think I think this
is our moment. This is where we

967
00:58:25,350 --> 00:58:32,340
strike. This is where we go all
in. And especially with new

968
00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:37,980
music will really, really really
make a big difference.

969
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:43,470
Dave Jones: Yeah, and we have
been working on I've been

970
00:58:43,470 --> 00:58:49,920
talking to Alex a little bit
privately, about, about what to

971
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:57,330
do with channels. And we just we
discussed OPML versus RSS,

972
00:58:57,750 --> 00:59:00,870
primarily around how it's gonna
relate to pod pink. But by the

973
00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:04,800
way, pod ping dystopias coming
on board with POD ping, nice.

974
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,560
We've got you know, red circle
came on board with POD pain. We

975
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,690
have another host that I was
asked not to talk about this a

976
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:17,820
large host is going to come on
pod being I think he's just

977
00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:21,390
because they want to do their
own press release and stuff. So

978
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:27,690
I mean, pod pod ping is becoming
a it's it is widely adopted now

979
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,890
that I think I think it's fair
to say that it is becoming

980
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:36,990
widely adopted. Yeah.
Completely. Yeah. So that that

981
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:44,550
having that as a resource, this
messaging system for events

982
00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:51,060
within podcasting is so nice. So
my quit at some odd you know,

983
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:57,300
questioning to, to Alex was, you
know, how, what do we what

984
00:59:57,300 --> 01:00:01,140
should we do? Should we do RSS
or do OPML for for or for

985
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:05,970
channels. And because, you know,
this directly relates to music

986
01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:07,920
in law, I mean, lots of stuff
and because you know, your

987
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,280
channel can be, you know, for a
particular artist or whatever.

988
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:15,900
And he was like, Well, you know,
if we're gonna pod ping this, it

989
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:21,630
really has to be RSS, because we
don't have, we don't have a

990
01:00:21,630 --> 01:00:27,870
mechanism within pod paying to
denote different MIME types.

991
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:31,170
Basically, everything.
Everything is a default

992
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:37,080
assumption of application RSS,
right? And if we're going to be

993
01:00:37,170 --> 01:00:40,800
putting in something else, it's
just a OPML, JSON, whatever, it

994
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,800
really has to be a you have to
have some way to tell people,

995
01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:46,920
this thing that you're about to
consume is this type of thing.

996
01:00:48,270 --> 01:00:48,840
And so

997
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:51,960
Adam Curry: well, you know, we
need I'll just say it right now.

998
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:59,730
We need an MPSP. Music
podcasting Standards Project.

999
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,260
I'm not kidding. I'm not gonna
you need, you need the same

1000
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:07,470
thing. And it actually solves a
lot of problems. Because it's

1001
01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:07,800
very

1002
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,460
Dave Jones: serious.

1003
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,470
Adam Curry: I'm very serious.
Thanks for thinking I'm always i

1004
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:13,770
That's

1005
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:17,250
Dave Jones: a no, no, no, no,
you said, I mean, like podcast,

1006
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:19,980
podcast, Anders project, and
then a music podcast. And

1007
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:23,520
Adam Curry: the reason they can
be part of the, you know, it's a

1008
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,780
subgroup or whatever it is, but
instead of having to explain to

1009
01:01:27,780 --> 01:01:31,620
people how you shoehorn music
into the podcast, namespace,

1010
01:01:31,650 --> 01:01:34,950
etc. Yeah, you just have a group
that says, Oh, you're a

1011
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:39,000
musician. Here's how you do it.
Here's how it works. Here's the

1012
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,760
minimum that you're a hosting
company that wants to you you

1013
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,290
have a music community. Here's
what you need to do here. And by

1014
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:49,830
the way, that should be the
wavelength guys and and, and

1015
01:01:49,830 --> 01:01:53,940
dystopia, etc. And maybe get
SoundCloud if you're lucky. It's

1016
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:56,700
the same thing. And that will
actually make it a lot easier

1017
01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:00,360
than having to explain, re
explain everything. Do you know

1018
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:00,900
what I mean?

1019
01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:03,540
Dave Jones: Yeah, and I didn't
know what you mean. Because

1020
01:02:03,570 --> 01:02:07,290
yeah, that's a good point.
Because you have sort of the

1021
01:02:07,290 --> 01:02:12,690
podcast, let's just say, you
know, Kevin and Tom and Todd

1022
01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:18,390
and, and Mike Caden and AKs guys
and transistor and all these

1023
01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:23,250
these hosting companies, they're
their podcast no focused she

1024
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:26,340
really Debbie they I don't know
that they have the bandwidth or

1025
01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:28,710
the or the will but I fight and

1026
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:32,490
Adam Curry: nominate, nominate
Steven b No, he's he he

1027
01:02:32,490 --> 01:02:35,460
understands already he's weighed
in you know put blueberry in

1028
01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:40,560
there and and who all who was
put off put some music guys in

1029
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,340
there. You need to obfuscate all
the all the all the technical

1030
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:48,090
stuff push that day and then and
those in those two groups

1031
01:02:48,090 --> 01:02:51,060
coordinate and we just keep
running with scissors and

1032
01:02:51,060 --> 01:02:52,620
creating cool shit that works

1033
01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:55,830
Dave Jones: well they could if
if a podcast standards

1034
01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:58,860
subcommittee

1035
01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:02,100
Adam Curry: steering committee

1036
01:03:06,810 --> 01:03:09,660
Dave Jones: the steering
committee if the steering is the

1037
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:15,120
podcast music standard steering
committee wants to you know form

1038
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:20,040
this this document this is okay
for a track is this yes a

1039
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:23,850
channel is here's here's how you
do it. Yeah, well then that

1040
01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:27,030
could be that could be something
that the podcast standard

1041
01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:33,150
project could adopt. Yeah. As a
as a proposal as or as you know

1042
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,350
a here but how about this? I
will give a will I will donate

1043
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:41,610
to the podcast Android project
the pimp denomination system

1044
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Whoa that we never actually use

1045
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,770
Adam Curry: know that fully
formed easy to give away.

1046
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:52,080
Dave Jones: Yes. That's right.
Yeah. Yeah. So we will give we

1047
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,180
will officially give the
podcaster Android project if

1048
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:56,010
they want it we will give them
pimps.

1049
01:03:56,700 --> 01:04:02,220
Adam Curry: Perfect. That is
very excited. We have all the

1050
01:04:02,220 --> 01:04:06,270
pieces we really we have so many
piece Abel Kirby put him make.

1051
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,650
And by the way, we need to
somewhere in here in we are for

1052
01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:13,680
the lit crew, which is which is
eventually going to be a part of

1053
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,960
the podcast Standards Project.
I'm sure you know, we need the

1054
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,100
IRC wizards. You know, look at
it, look at all this great

1055
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,580
stuff. I mean, I personally
think every hosting company

1056
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:31,770
should have their own IRC lip
server, with ISO bot and all

1057
01:04:31,770 --> 01:04:34,950
these crazy things. I mean, it's
amazing what they've got going

1058
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:38,340
on, you know, the boost bot.
This these are all super

1059
01:04:38,340 --> 01:04:42,300
enhancements that make the lip
stuff just saying

1060
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:47,970
Dave Jones: that hit the hit the
nail we get a decent namespace

1061
01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:49,110
target to hit the thing.

1062
01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:51,450
Adam Curry: I'll be hitting the
thing.

1063
01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:57,990
Unknown: And now it's time for
some hot namespace talk.

1064
01:04:57,990 --> 01:05:00,360
Adam Curry: By the way, we have
a you have a note on pod Casting

1065
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,840
next on social from Notre Dame
Jennifer of the pimp DB who says

1066
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:10,440
no. You were here shaking my
head.

1067
01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:15,869
Dave Jones: Oh, is that what SMH
means? Yes. Okay. I've never

1068
01:05:15,869 --> 01:05:22,589
know what that means. Yeah. I'm
sorry. Damn, Jennifer. I deserve

1069
01:05:22,589 --> 01:05:23,789
every bit of that scorn

1070
01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:25,500
Adam Curry: kind of. Yeah.

1071
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,880
Dave Jones: The I forgot why
hidden while I wanted you

1072
01:05:30,569 --> 01:05:32,579
Adam Curry: to talk about the
namespace we were talking about,

1073
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,389
about the IRC, or the Bruce bot.

1074
01:05:36,990 --> 01:05:42,870
Dave Jones: Yeah, but I had a
specific one. I can't remember

1075
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:45,990
what it was. Well, I've got I've
got others back. Man. I can't

1076
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:46,560
believe I dropped.

1077
01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:48,900
Adam Curry: Oh, hold on. Let me
I'm gonna prove you are

1078
01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:53,490
remembering you are remembering
you are remembering you are

1079
01:05:53,490 --> 01:05:59,910
Dave Jones: because I closed a
task. Oh, I remember. Okay,

1080
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:06,240
okay. The closed some. I'm
trying to be very careful about

1081
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,440
closing issues because last time
the first time I closed an

1082
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,050
issue, the French got furious.

1083
01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:16,560
Adam Curry: You started off
riots in Paris.

1084
01:06:16,919 --> 01:06:21,239
Dave Jones: Yeah, guillotines,
security came out. Yeah, yes. As

1085
01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:25,409
Benjamin Bellamy said, I do not.
I said I quote, I closed the

1086
01:06:25,409 --> 01:06:28,979
issue. And I said, I'm closing
this is it looks like this is

1087
01:06:28,979 --> 01:06:34,349
resolved now. Posted says this
is not resolved. I was like,

1088
01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:37,860
Adam Curry: okay, with
americanas is not reserved?

1089
01:06:38,430 --> 01:06:41,580
Dave Jones: No, it was a clearly
not resolved. So I've been

1090
01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:47,160
trying to be very judicious
about closing issues as they get

1091
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:54,180
moved. So I've only closed a
few. But the the one I did today

1092
01:06:56,130 --> 01:07:02,040
was about chat. And so Steven B
had a long time ago. You know,

1093
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,570
he came up with this idea of

1094
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,760
Adam Curry: I saw this quote
this closed issue, by the way.

1095
01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:07,890
And I went in to look at it to
understand what you had done.

1096
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:09,150
Yes, I got it. Go ahead.

1097
01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:12,570
Dave Jones: Yeah, so like that.
That's where this idea of a chat

1098
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:18,840
attribute on the live item tag
came from? Haha. And so that

1099
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,690
that's like, you know, it's
always it's always been, it

1100
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:28,020
serves this purpose, but only
but it's only to open up a web

1101
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:31,290
UI. Because you have no, you
have no idea what this thing is.

1102
01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:36,750
I mean, this chat URL could be,
it could be anything. So we

1103
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:41,190
really need a formalized way to
do chat. And I think it's

1104
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:45,900
probably time to start building
that. So this part, you know, a

1105
01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:51,000
podcast, colon chat, tag, what
like it needs to be, it needs to

1106
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,220
be in the mix. So that it can
specify the protocols, I think,

1107
01:07:56,940 --> 01:08:03,690
most you know, it would need for
they would need to be an IRC.

1108
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:09,660
There need to be an IRC
definition in there, just

1109
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:13,920
because so many podcasts already
use IRC as their main thing. But

1110
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,300
as far as a new, you know, a new
thing going forward XMPP makes

1111
01:08:18,330 --> 01:08:23,880
probably the most sense as a
chat protocol. So think like, I

1112
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,190
think it's time that so what I
did was I closed that issue

1113
01:08:26,190 --> 01:08:30,690
today. So that week two, and
made a note to myself to

1114
01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:37,650
propose, like get give a first
crack at a at a chat, nice tag,

1115
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:40,050
and it will be modeled after the
social interact.

1116
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:42,510
Adam Curry: Right? Yeah, that's
what I saw you put in there.

1117
01:08:42,510 --> 01:08:42,810
Yeah.

1118
01:08:43,559 --> 01:08:45,509
Dave Jones: Yeah. Because I
mean, this social interact is a

1119
01:08:45,509 --> 01:08:49,439
great is an elegant solution.
It, you know, you define the

1120
01:08:50,129 --> 01:08:53,249
define some key attributes and
the protocol that you know, what

1121
01:08:53,249 --> 01:08:56,219
protocol is going to be and
you're good. I mean, it's very,

1122
01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:59,399
it's very simple, elegant way to
do it. Nothing, that it just

1123
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,489
makes sense to have that as chat
as well. And then, and then we

1124
01:09:02,489 --> 01:09:09,389
can tag on, you know, things on
top of that, for stuff like live

1125
01:09:09,389 --> 01:09:12,659
chat replay, you know, like the
time timestamping and that

1126
01:09:12,659 --> 01:09:16,649
kinda, yeah, you know, and that
doesn't need to be necessarily

1127
01:09:16,649 --> 01:09:21,509
in the spec, like you, you know,
that shouldn't be in any way

1128
01:09:21,539 --> 01:09:25,649
trying to be required, because
that that can just be up to each

1129
01:09:25,649 --> 01:09:28,049
individual implementation of
whether you want to do something

1130
01:09:28,049 --> 01:09:32,069
like that. But it can be done
when you have something like

1131
01:09:32,069 --> 01:09:35,519
XMPP you've got those attributes
in there that you can pull from

1132
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:41,250
Adam Curry: me I just like the
fact that we're doing a chat app

1133
01:09:41,250 --> 01:09:43,740
just as perfect. As perfect.
Yeah.

1134
01:09:44,190 --> 01:09:47,520
Dave Jones: Yeah, there's, I
mean, in a perfect world, you

1135
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,640
would you would say, you know,
hey, IRC is not is not it's not

1136
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,030
great for lots of reasons. And
so you would go for with a new

1137
01:09:57,030 --> 01:10:00,870
one, but I'm not I don't know if
we can because there's just

1138
01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:04,500
going to leave so many existing
stuff behind. So I think we're

1139
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:09,120
gonna have to support both. But
but that's what the that's what

1140
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:15,660
the discussion is for. Yes.
What's the where's my Oh, yeah,

1141
01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:21,180
here it is. The other thing that
came up and I had sort of had

1142
01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:23,010
forgotten about this

1143
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:33,900
about not sending boosts boost
messages to certain parties in

1144
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:34,980
the feast Blitz.

1145
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:37,140
Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, I'm very
opinionated about that.

1146
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,850
Dave Jones: Okay, so let me lay
it out. So the idea there is

1147
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:50,730
you, you have a bunch of people
on your splits. And some of

1148
01:10:50,730 --> 01:10:57,180
them, specifically the fee based
providers as just just them off

1149
01:10:57,180 --> 01:11:03,480
the top. You say, Okay, well,
I'm paying for this service. I

1150
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:08,370
don't want a do or do not want
them to see the booster gram

1151
01:11:08,370 --> 01:11:12,450
messages. And so you there would
be an Andrew and additional

1152
01:11:12,450 --> 01:11:16,800
attribute on the value recipient
tag added. The by default,

1153
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,260
everybody gets the message, but
then you could add on an

1154
01:11:19,260 --> 01:11:23,130
attribute that says, you know,
something like, No, you know,

1155
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:27,570
booster gram equals no, or
whatever message equals no. And

1156
01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:32,520
to say, Okay, this, I don't, I
don't want the message being

1157
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,690
included in this specific split.
So what is your opinion?

1158
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,670
Adam Curry: Well, obviously, if
the default is everybody gets a

1159
01:11:41,670 --> 01:11:45,630
message. I'm okay with it. I
think it's a very small set of

1160
01:11:45,630 --> 01:11:49,440
people who who think that's
important. I have reversed my

1161
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:53,160
opinion, I'm open to change. I
thought this all of this that

1162
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,610
fountain was doing initially,
with the booster grams kind of

1163
01:11:56,610 --> 01:11:59,580
showing up a bit like comments.
I thought that was bad. I

1164
01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:04,050
thought it would hurt us. I
completely was wrong. I repent.

1165
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:12,180
It is one of the most exciting
features. And no one no one that

1166
01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:16,710
I see interacting on fountain
certainly seems to have any

1167
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:20,610
inkling that this is a private
message. I don't think I've ever

1168
01:12:20,610 --> 01:12:23,250
received a message that was so
private that I would be

1169
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:26,610
embarrassed, I wouldn't want
anyone to use it. So for me, we

1170
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:28,950
can put it in. But I think it's
overkill. I don't think anyone

1171
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:32,520
to use it. In fact, I think it's
much more exciting to allow

1172
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:38,490
precisely the apps to be able to
see it because I think the app

1173
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:43,410
should be used. I want the app
developers to use my booster

1174
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:48,420
grams in any way they see fit. I
want them I want them to create

1175
01:12:48,420 --> 01:12:53,160
leaderboards and scrolling
messages. And you know, I've

1176
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:58,320
really because of the the study
I've done of tick tock with

1177
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,130
what's going on with the you
know, with the legislation and

1178
01:13:02,190 --> 01:13:05,190
just in general, I've really
analyze what's going on. I even

1179
01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:08,700
loaded it for a bit on my phone.
I did delete it, because it's so

1180
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:09,270
addictive.

1181
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,900
Dave Jones: But you put tick
tock on your phone. Oh, I

1182
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:14,790
Adam Curry: did. I was
dangerous. Well, it's graphene

1183
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:20,310
OS and it's kind of sandbox. But
as it came to tools, if we

1184
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:22,170
talked about this two week,
probably didn't talk about two

1185
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:26,400
weeks ago. So I was just looking
at the tools that tick this is

1186
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,430
why I think tick tock is kicking
everybody's ass besides the fact

1187
01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:32,880
that they, their algorithm seems
to be Hey, I'm gonna put

1188
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,120
everybody who loves each other
over here because they all agree

1189
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:40,020
on one thing. And I know this
because I went viral. I went

1190
01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:43,260
viral was two topics one about
tick tock itself, I'm gonna

1191
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:46,170
ignore that. The other one about
my faith journey, which I talked

1192
01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:47,550
about on Joe Rogan.

1193
01:13:48,270 --> 01:13:51,930
Dave Jones: And he went you went
viral on tick, I went super

1194
01:13:51,930 --> 01:13:56,460
Adam Curry: viral. I'm talking
eight 900,000 views 1000s of

1195
01:13:56,460 --> 01:14:01,260
comments also on YouTube.
Millions of views on YouTube.

1196
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,720
What's the difference? On tick
tock. They suppress dissent.

1197
01:14:07,650 --> 01:14:10,680
It's like everyone's just like
oh great, brother. I love it.

1198
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,160
God is good, you know, or
whatever. You can't imagine how

1199
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,670
great the this These comments
were. No one's pushing back.

1200
01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:20,430
It's all fan fabulous. Can't
wait, you know, all the things

1201
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:24,780
you would want to hear on
YouTube. On YouTube. It's like

1202
01:14:24,780 --> 01:14:30,360
the amplify a man it's a hoax.
God is not real. You of course,

1203
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:36,360
because the American media model
is strife and divisive pneus and

1204
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:40,650
outrage. That is the model. It
works for social media. It works

1205
01:14:40,650 --> 01:14:45,090
for politicians. It goes
straight through to mainstream

1206
01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:48,510
media, that everyone's yelling
at the news and you know, the

1207
01:14:48,510 --> 01:14:53,190
most recent thing is, oh, trans
versus Christians, you know, and

1208
01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,710
AWS, you can see it everywhere
and we're just fighting over

1209
01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:58,890
this instead of, you know,
everyone's going to their corner

1210
01:14:58,890 --> 01:15:02,250
and everyone's gonna have their
opinion, but when algorithms

1211
01:15:02,610 --> 01:15:07,140
purposefully make people fight,
that's where the money is made

1212
01:15:07,140 --> 01:15:10,470
in the American media model and
what a tick tock do by the way,

1213
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:15,330
it is a very Chinese thing. No,
no, Paul, you people over here,

1214
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:18,030
but you can go to tick tock, you
can get all the blue haired

1215
01:15:18,030 --> 01:15:21,180
purple hair, you can get all
kinds of people. And, and I

1216
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:25,020
learned this because I saw
messages of people saying, you

1217
01:15:25,020 --> 01:15:28,140
know, the reason they don't want
Tik Tok is because that's where

1218
01:15:28,140 --> 01:15:31,020
all the Magga is, man, the
Patriots are on Tik Tok. They

1219
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:34,740
want them off. And then I saw
the same message. LGBTQ they

1220
01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:37,380
want to kick us off because
we're powerful on tick tock one.

1221
01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:42,180
Whoa, whoa, someone's smart.
They put all the purple hair

1222
01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:45,480
over here. They put the church
people over here, put

1223
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:49,200
Republicans over here. And and
advertisers love it. So

1224
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,320
Dave Jones: it's not. It's not
one tick tock. It's like It's

1225
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,090
like 800 Mini tick tock.

1226
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,150
Adam Curry: Yes. So an advertise
like, oh, I want to sell my

1227
01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:59,910
shoes. I want to sell them to
people on the left and people on

1228
01:15:59,910 --> 01:16:05,010
the right. Magic Johnson famous
who said this? And when I'm

1229
01:16:05,010 --> 01:16:10,080
sorry, Jordan. And so you can
you can message to people on the

1230
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,440
right hey, right, right, right
thinking people. Here's my

1231
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,770
shoes. And no one on the left is
going a man that shit or your

1232
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:18,990
shoes are no good. You're
selling to people on the right.

1233
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,110
And the people on the left, go,
Hey, left people. Here's some

1234
01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:25,290
shoes. And there's no one in
there going, man you've targeted

1235
01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:29,820
I'm tired and you can't get the
shoes. Awesome.

1236
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,300
Dave Jones: This was true. This
is a fascinating, psycho

1237
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:37,170
psychological thing here.
Because when you when you when

1238
01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:41,280
you segregate these communities,
to where they can only hear

1239
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,650
their own voice. They're
happier. And they and they don't

1240
01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:48,420
know that they're supposed to be
mad.

1241
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,840
Adam Curry: Yes. And as a
business, it's working very

1242
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:56,040
well. Now. Make no mistake,
centralized media, social media

1243
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,360
is a bad idea. Regardless, bad
idea. It's much better if you

1244
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,380
have a feed. And it's reverse
chronological order. By the way,

1245
01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:07,080
I'm going to say it, I'm going
to put it right here I have it

1246
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:13,110
on my nose noster there's
something to it. There's

1247
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:17,910
something to noster that cannot
be poo pooed. I am. I'm from the

1248
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:21,990
future. I have identified things
in the past. I'm usually 10

1249
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:26,610
years too early. That's why I'm
not a billionaire. So maybe I'm

1250
01:17:26,610 --> 01:17:29,370
10 years early on this, but
there's something to noster

1251
01:17:29,730 --> 01:17:33,450
that, that, that there's power
there that I can't quite

1252
01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:37,410
explain. I don't know exactly
why. But noster as a social

1253
01:17:37,410 --> 01:17:41,400
media, where you own your own
identity. And I know there's all

1254
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,370
the problems with relays. And,
and I can Alex Gates has

1255
01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:47,850
probably just turned off the
live stream. Um, there is

1256
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:52,650
something there that is
functioning. That is working in

1257
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:57,510
a way that is interesting,
exciting. It's far from ready

1258
01:17:57,510 --> 01:18:02,670
for primetime. But there's
something there. And it's, it's

1259
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:05,940
different from mastodon. It's
different. It's certainly

1260
01:18:05,940 --> 01:18:09,270
different from any centralized
social media. I'm just saying

1261
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:12,930
there's something there. So
centralized social media, is a

1262
01:18:12,930 --> 01:18:17,970
bad idea. It's a health hazard.
Anything that has an algo is a

1263
01:18:17,970 --> 01:18:20,610
health hazard. And you should
protect your children from it.

1264
01:18:20,670 --> 01:18:24,870
Regardless, this is what is
killing people. I think it's

1265
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:33,360
it's evil. But right now, tick
tock has figured out that people

1266
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:38,550
are happy on tick tock, because
they're not being injected with

1267
01:18:38,910 --> 01:18:39,720
opposition.

1268
01:18:42,420 --> 01:18:44,970
Dave Jones: And I did not I
didn't know this. This is this

1269
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,390
is a very this is very
interesting. I didn't know that

1270
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:50,520
they actively suppress dissent.

1271
01:18:51,570 --> 01:18:54,840
Adam Curry: I don't have proof.
But I haven't gone viral twice.

1272
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,510
I saw the difference on two
different platforms.

1273
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,640
Dave Jones: I don't know that. I
mean, I think the proof is the

1274
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:05,850
observation because you what
other what other social media

1275
01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:11,550
platform ever would you not see
any opposing views? I mean, like

1276
01:19:11,550 --> 01:19:15,690
that awkward. Yeah. That just
almost can't it almost, is

1277
01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:18,510
either they're actively either
it's an act of suppress

1278
01:19:18,510 --> 01:19:21,600
suppression of dissent, where
they're doing something like

1279
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,070
looking negative. Yeah,

1280
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:28,770
Adam Curry: I think it is. And
the reason why pastor Jimmy is

1281
01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:33,300
the one who pointed this out to
me. He said, the people who are

1282
01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:35,820
always the people who are going
to push back on you as a

1283
01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:39,750
Christian the most are
Christians, the Christians or

1284
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:41,880
you're not worshipping right,
you know,

1285
01:19:42,599 --> 01:19:44,039
Dave Jones: and that is 100%
true.

1286
01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:49,890
Adam Curry: And so that did show
up on YouTube, but not on tick

1287
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:53,160
tock. So somehow, even the
people who are in the group

1288
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:58,260
didn't we're not, did not
surface to me. With you're doing

1289
01:19:58,260 --> 01:19:59,100
it. You're doing it wrong.

1290
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,220
Dave Jones: Yeah, that hasn't
been under some sort of

1291
01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:04,980
suppression. I mean, we know
that there's sentiment, and

1292
01:20:05,010 --> 01:20:08,970
there's like sentiment scoring.
I mean, that that NLP processing

1293
01:20:08,970 --> 01:20:11,670
that's been around for a long
time where you have like, sure

1294
01:20:11,670 --> 01:20:15,240
you can feed it some text and
it'll spit out is this negative

1295
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,420
or positive? mean that it's,
it's been around for a long time

1296
01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:22,290
and is really accurate? Yes,
this is a negative. So then you

1297
01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:25,320
can very easily just say, well,
we're just gonna hide, throw

1298
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,230
that down. Yeah, exactly. Those
are filter, you boza filter the

1299
01:20:28,230 --> 01:20:29,700
negative stuff. And this is

1300
01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:35,010
Adam Curry: also why you have
Bozo filter. This is also why I

1301
01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:37,830
have never built an I can almost
articulate but I've never

1302
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:42,480
believed in podcast
recommendations. Because that,

1303
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:47,160
by default requires a very
centralized system that knows a

1304
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,330
lot of things about you. And
that's kind of the opposite of

1305
01:20:51,330 --> 01:20:55,800
what podcasting is podcasting.
Now, I think it's a great place

1306
01:20:56,100 --> 01:21:01,410
to find podcasts currently, he's
on tick tock. Know, we get a lot

1307
01:21:01,410 --> 01:21:04,380
of people Hey, man, someone
posted a clip of no agenda on

1308
01:21:04,380 --> 01:21:09,840
tick tock. And, and that bubbles
to the top and it's within that

1309
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,860
group, you know, and it doesn't
flow over somewhere else where

1310
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:17,790
people are gonna go, you know,
yell about it, or it becomes a

1311
01:21:17,790 --> 01:21:18,930
very positive thing.

1312
01:21:19,980 --> 01:21:21,900
Dave Jones: I'm glad you're
talking about glad you brought

1313
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:25,890
this up. Because just like, I've
been thinking about this a lot

1314
01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:33,810
discovery. Discovery is not a,
it's not a flat thing. What I

1315
01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:38,130
mean is, it's not like an own
off. You don't you don't go you

1316
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:45,960
don't just you, you don't go
into discovery mode. There's a

1317
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,950
there, it's more like there's
like a pressure to discover

1318
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:54,570
discovery. It's sort of, there's
something that's pushing you

1319
01:21:54,600 --> 01:22:01,860
over the threshold into
discovering a thing. So I know

1320
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:06,960
this all sounds a little bit
weird. But like, like, it's very

1321
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,460
rare. It's rare that you would
discover something without being

1322
01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:18,690
ready to look for it. Like, but
it's like, so in that regard,

1323
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:22,650
it's it is sort of like a mode,
but you don't choose to be in

1324
01:22:22,650 --> 01:22:26,820
it. It's something that you get
almost pushed into while you're

1325
01:22:26,820 --> 01:22:29,850
doing something else. It's
probably easier to understand

1326
01:22:29,850 --> 01:22:35,460
with analogies like so if you
when I go into my podcast app,

1327
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:41,340
I'm not looking for discovering
new podcasts. No, like, I'm

1328
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:44,190
going in there to listen to
something I already want.

1329
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:49,410
Something I already know. Like,
I'm going in there to listen to

1330
01:22:49,410 --> 01:22:53,880
something I've already chosen to
download and to subscribe to. So

1331
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,570
like your podcast app is not
ever I don't think going to be

1332
01:22:57,570 --> 01:23:01,950
the place where discovery
happens. That's one

1333
01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:05,070
Adam Curry: disagree with you a
little bit. Really? Yeah.

1334
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,350
Dave Jones: I mean, I thought I
was I mean,

1335
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:11,610
Adam Curry: no, no. Well, I just
want this one thing. The

1336
01:23:11,610 --> 01:23:16,740
difference is the activity feed
on on fountain. When I see a

1337
01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:21,480
Dave Jones boost show up in the
air for a podcast. I know Dave

1338
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:25,020
Jones, but no one else the app
doesn't know I know Dave Jones,

1339
01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:28,740
I see this activity feed I
scroll through it. Now what's

1340
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:31,140
going on, you see what's going
on, or I see a clip or something

1341
01:23:31,140 --> 01:23:35,070
like that by other people. When
I see Dave Jones has boosted an

1342
01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:38,160
amount of SATs to a show. I want
to listen to the show. It may

1343
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,990
not be for me, but I tried it
out. So that is the one time the

1344
01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:48,000
one the one and only time. I've
gotten a recommendation from an

1345
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,450
app.

1346
01:23:49,620 --> 01:23:53,040
Dave Jones: I can see that's
almost like bringing in a it's

1347
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,940
almost like bringing in an
external was you it was it was

1348
01:23:56,940 --> 01:24:01,260
you? Yeah, no, I'd like you're
like I'm paying for it too. And

1349
01:24:01,260 --> 01:24:04,350
it's like, I mean, I'm actually
there's like a double when

1350
01:24:04,350 --> 01:24:07,290
that's like your that's okay,
well, that that's actually I

1351
01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:11,790
think fits into the pressure
model. It's so because you're

1352
01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:15,930
you're being sort of overwhelmed
into a sense of discovery that

1353
01:24:15,930 --> 01:24:19,800
you're being pushed. No, no, no,
no, I disagree by an external

1354
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,860
force, which is if you if you
had me, Yeah, huge.

1355
01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:25,230
Adam Curry: Exactly. If you had
made a clip, it would have been

1356
01:24:25,230 --> 01:24:28,290
just as interesting to me or if
there was a comment that surface

1357
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,070
as long as I know that you and
serendipitous, right, as long as

1358
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:34,680
I know that. Oh, that's Dave, he
did this. Oh, that's

1359
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,890
interesting. I'm going to check
it out. Now other ways I

1360
01:24:37,890 --> 01:24:40,620
discover as you say, Hey, Adam,
check this podcast out.

1361
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:45,210
Dave Jones: And so I think
discovery most often happens

1362
01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:50,130
with something like like, this
would be a scenario. You are

1363
01:24:50,130 --> 01:24:53,550
listening. You're listening to
some old music you're listening

1364
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:55,680
to some Jerry Reed we talked
about Jerry Reed he listened to

1365
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,670
that he was Moses and you liked
you get you're getting it.

1366
01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:03,360
You're getting into it. And then
you are like, I wonder if

1367
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,240
there's any podcasts about Jerry
Ray, like, I would like to know

1368
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,720
more about his life or whatever.
before. Before you know it, you

1369
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,990
end up you're listening to
cocaine and Ron stones. Yeah.

1370
01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:17,340
And you're into, you've gotten
into discovery mode through

1371
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:22,800
something put sort of pushing
you into it. And and like, I

1372
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,220
guess that's what I'm trying to
say in this sense. Like, I'm not

1373
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:30,420
sure that the difference I think
with fountain is, you know, you

1374
01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:35,100
know, me, and that's probably
and that's a good daddy, I

1375
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:38,820
admit, that's a good way to do
it. If if the people that you

1376
01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:43,500
are if you know, the other
people on your timeline, like if

1377
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:45,780
you have some sort of
connection, of course, yes, of

1378
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:49,050
course. Yeah. And you trust Now,
if you're just a Rando will, you

1379
01:25:49,050 --> 01:25:52,110
know, download and found those
that may not be

1380
01:25:52,110 --> 01:25:54,180
Adam Curry: free, you know, and
found and you can follow people?

1381
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,960
Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah. But the,
but if there are people you

1382
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,030
don't know, it's not the
pressure may not be

1383
01:26:00,030 --> 01:26:01,740
Adam Curry: there. Oh, there's
zero pressure? Of course not.

1384
01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:05,610
No, yeah. No, but I'm just
saying it's not like YouTube or

1385
01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:10,380
Tik Tok. Where you know, where
it's very short, the throwing

1386
01:26:10,380 --> 01:26:13,080
stuff in your face or trying
things out there checking out

1387
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,900
what you're scrolling? I mean,
yeah, that's a recommendation

1388
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:21,030
engine, which, which is not
appropriate for podcast. Now,

1389
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:27,810
here's the number one way I get
new listeners. Know, there's two

1390
01:26:27,810 --> 01:26:31,830
ways. One is, I saw you on Joe
Rogan talking about your

1391
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:34,320
podcasts. I saw you and Tom, I
heard you and Tom was talking

1392
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:39,510
about your podcast, I heard you
on. Fill in the blank. That's

1393
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:45,420
one. The other one is I got hit
in the mouth by my friend. My

1394
01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:48,510
friend. That's what we call it.
For no agenda. My friend said

1395
01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,390
you gotta listen to this. Took
me three lessons. Now I'm

1396
01:26:51,390 --> 01:26:55,710
listening. That's how that's how
it's always worked for me.

1397
01:26:56,100 --> 01:27:00,630
There's never been we we do not
show up on lists. We're not an

1398
01:27:00,630 --> 01:27:02,160
apples top anything.

1399
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,300
Dave Jones: I don't you're not
even on Spotify.

1400
01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:10,470
Adam Curry: We're not even on
Spotify. We purposely not funny.

1401
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:18,900
Yeah, we went 850,000 unique
listeners as per op three. built

1402
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,830
over time, of course. But people
will send in messages like, Hey,

1403
01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:26,760
I got hit in the mouth by so and
so by so and so by someone. So

1404
01:27:27,150 --> 01:27:29,310
there's a feedback mechanism
where they can tell us and we

1405
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:31,410
repeat that on the air, of
course. But that's just smart

1406
01:27:31,410 --> 01:27:34,950
programming. You can't fix
everything with a tag and

1407
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:38,730
technology. Some of it is know
what the hell you're doing on

1408
01:27:38,730 --> 01:27:39,510
the podcast.

1409
01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:45,150
Dave Jones: It's yesterday, this
I'm sure we probably need to

1410
01:27:45,150 --> 01:27:49,410
Thanks for people's good for
well, but but I do but I want to

1411
01:27:49,410 --> 01:27:53,850
say this with regards to the
podcast, Anders project. And

1412
01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:57,480
their role as advocates, if I
understand that role correctly.

1413
01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:05,760
I would suggest strongly
advocating directly to

1414
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:12,390
advocating slash agitating Call
it what you will directly to

1415
01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:17,670
Apple and Google or the Android
platforms directly to these

1416
01:28:17,670 --> 01:28:22,470
platforms for the things that
are fundamentally needed. And

1417
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:28,410
that would be out right out of
the gate. A universal way to

1418
01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:33,510
subscribe to podcasts across
apps. Oh, yes. So and that

1419
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:38,010
involves the ability to set a
default podcast player on your

1420
01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:43,080
device. So that you so that we
can all get away from the

1421
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:47,190
million little badges of all
these Chiclets. Yeah, and we can

1422
01:28:47,190 --> 01:28:54,270
just have a you know, pod play
colon slash slash the the link

1423
01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:57,870
to the podcast. And it just
always opens in your default

1424
01:28:57,870 --> 01:29:02,850
player and subscribes we do this
it's complete silliness and

1425
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:05,610
nonsense that we don't have this
yet. I would, I would advocate

1426
01:29:05,610 --> 01:29:10,320
for that right out of the gate.
The other thing I would advocate

1427
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,150
for is this is on my Christmas
list is for somebody to just

1428
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:21,420
call up some someone at Spotify
and say, Hey, Spotify, will you

1429
01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,620
please support the person tag?
Like some I feel like somebody

1430
01:29:25,620 --> 01:29:30,000
just needs to call them on the
telephone and say, Hey, will you

1431
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:36,210
please ingest these these X
number of tags and just have a

1432
01:29:36,210 --> 01:29:39,480
in person phone call with
somebody at at that play?

1433
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:43,530
Because I would like them. It
would be great. I agree. I'm

1434
01:29:43,530 --> 01:29:48,120
gonna go with your model. And
say that we war can last

1435
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:53,880
forever. We need to we need to
seek peace. And peace, to me

1436
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,410
involves the diplomacy of
calling a calling them up and

1437
01:29:58,410 --> 01:30:03,120
saying hey, Can you all support?
We would like add we as the

1438
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,760
podcast Android project would
like you to support. It's

1439
01:30:06,180 --> 01:30:09,180
Adam Curry: funny you say that
we all know who the people are

1440
01:30:09,180 --> 01:30:13,860
because pod news reports on them
daily. We know we know exactly

1441
01:30:13,860 --> 01:30:16,830
who the people are in charge, it
changes a lot. We know exactly

1442
01:30:16,830 --> 01:30:19,860
who's in charge. I completely
agree. We have their names. If

1443
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:22,290
we add their names, we can
probably find their their phone

1444
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,820
their phone number. And before
we get into thanking people, I

1445
01:30:26,820 --> 01:30:29,370
would like to advocate once
again that someone helped

1446
01:30:29,370 --> 01:30:34,620
Courtney Kocak. thinks I
pronounce your name. Yes. As a

1447
01:30:34,620 --> 01:30:41,250
private parts podcast. She heard
our podcast, she I'll read this.

1448
01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:44,130
I had been talked about on
podcast. She posted this on

1449
01:30:44,130 --> 01:30:47,430
Twitter. She did Yes. I've been
talked about on podcast for

1450
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:49,770
better or for worse, but I've
never been clipped up and

1451
01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:53,220
discussed for the better part of
a 15 minute segment. And by Adam

1452
01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:57,690
curry, no less. Apparently
invented podcasting is pretty

1453
01:30:57,690 --> 01:31:02,700
hilarious. I wish I wish every
time I'm talked about was so

1454
01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:05,550
good natured. You'll have to
listen for the details. But long

1455
01:31:05,550 --> 01:31:09,450
story short, I'm now inspired to
start doing V for V for my

1456
01:31:09,450 --> 01:31:12,870
podcast. And of course, I'll be
taking you along for the ride.

1457
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:17,370
No one has been allowed to this
woman a HUD Damn.

1458
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,990
Dave Jones: I mean, this is
that's money

1459
01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:24,600
Adam Curry: in the bank. The
bank someone has to go help and

1460
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,230
she's got a Twitter. Now Rob
Greenlee apparently didn't reach

1461
01:31:28,230 --> 01:31:33,480
out. I gave him first dibs.
Don't make me go to Steve leaves

1462
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:34,290
and make him do it.

1463
01:31:34,769 --> 01:31:38,339
Dave Jones: Rob doesn't like
money. Not a money.

1464
01:31:39,630 --> 01:31:41,400
Adam Curry: Let's thank some
people. Let's thank the people

1465
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,430
who have diligently been
boosting during this late night

1466
01:31:44,430 --> 01:31:47,100
board meeting. And we really
appreciate all of you being

1467
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:52,320
here. Who were in the chat room.
Blueberry, the most recent one

1468
01:31:52,320 --> 01:32:00,570
one minute ago. With 33,999. He
sends a link and of course I am

1469
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,900
foolishly going to open this
link to an mp3 file to see what

1470
01:32:03,900 --> 01:32:11,790
it is. And it's loading let's
see. Seems to be a pretty big

1471
01:32:11,790 --> 01:32:15,120
file. I don't know what is the
Lord. Oh, it's crunching the

1472
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,020
connection for some reason. All
right. Well, that's not working.

1473
01:32:19,020 --> 01:32:22,800
I have to stop that. By the way.
I ordered a five gigabit gigabit

1474
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:27,690
line Dave. Oh, you ordered a
five gigabit. Yep, fiber is here

1475
01:32:27,690 --> 01:32:32,220
in the hill country and they
have a 500 megabit they have a

1476
01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:35,700
gigabit they have a two gigabit
and a five gigabit and I went

1477
01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:38,250
for five honkin gigabits baby.

1478
01:32:38,850 --> 01:32:42,060
Dave Jones: Holy cow. How did
you get that out in the middle

1479
01:32:42,060 --> 01:32:42,660
of nowhere?

1480
01:32:42,690 --> 01:32:46,170
Adam Curry: Texas brother,
Texas. Big pie. everything's

1481
01:32:46,170 --> 01:32:48,000
bigger in Texas. Don't you know
that?

1482
01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:50,250
Dave Jones: I mean, I'm in
downtown and

1483
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,980
Adam Curry: 2222 from Nathan G
alternative to a default podcast

1484
01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:59,370
app on iOS podcasting. 2.0 apps
could provide a way to sync

1485
01:32:59,370 --> 01:33:02,700
subscriptions, progress play
states between apps. Okay,

1486
01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:10,050
blueberry with a 33 666 with
another. Another link Dave,

1487
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:12,570
there's a Tiktok for everything
he says. And then he sends in a

1488
01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:17,220
6666 the boardroom needs at
least one goat. Okay, and it's

1489
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:21,090
33,330 I'll give you a goat.
Okay, he wants to hear a goat

1490
01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:26,220
and a 33,333 Where's my goat? I
gotta go to here somewhere.

1491
01:33:26,220 --> 01:33:32,490
We're gonna go I'm gonna go that
splits a little baby splits. Mr.

1492
01:33:32,490 --> 01:33:38,370
Robots, Mr. Robot checks in and
he says just topped off my lb

1493
01:33:38,370 --> 01:33:43,650
with some climate change. Health
karma for Dave oh, by the way.

1494
01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:47,400
10,000 SATs probably get that
garlic off your nightstand at

1495
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,710
night. Oh, that's the book
you've been reading. Before the

1496
01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:52,830
works that my Hill appreciate
where you and Adam have created

1497
01:33:52,980 --> 01:34:01,500
a bunch of emojis. We have elite
boots elite boost 33 13,013 137

1498
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:07,650
from envy for N for v XP 2.0.
Getting lit on a Friday night.

1499
01:34:07,650 --> 01:34:11,940
Thank you for your coding. Gene
being 2222 Seems I'm not

1500
01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:14,550
destined to Listen Live pod
verse web is not playing nice

1501
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:16,590
for me either. I guess I will
catch the release version

1502
01:34:16,590 --> 01:34:19,650
tomorrow could be the the bits
and bytes. Sorry about that.

1503
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,780
Meet us with 50,000 SATs Thank
you very much. metus another

1504
01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:27,780
gene being 1337 Check out the
live show on pod verse for the

1505
01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:31,710
first time pretty cool. He says
hard hat with 2222 Oh that was

1506
01:34:31,710 --> 01:34:36,450
the test boost I asked for
earlier and Eric peepee 33,333

1507
01:34:36,450 --> 01:34:41,310
also with a test boost and Gene
being again with a 1337 chimp

1508
01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:44,340
while we were starting off the
show we had a test boost we were

1509
01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:47,370
singing to The Style Council.
Shout out to the top he did a

1510
01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:53,880
boosted to the top with a row of
dogs with a tail 22,223 The

1511
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,900
trickler I'm thinking that oh he
just trickler 500 SATs go

1512
01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:04,560
podcasting he says lie see Am
2112 Rush boost says running

1513
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,320
with scissors on the oh yes
running with scissors or needles

1514
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:11,790
and pins Carolyn's monkey
correct Martin Linda's Kirk all

1515
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:15,600
the way from Scandinavia He
gives us Depeche Mode Have a

1516
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,140
listen

1517
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:26,550
Unknown: back cold winter jarka
That comes Caroline's

1518
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:32,070
monkey it's hungry again.
Running with Scissors on

1519
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:32,850
needles.

1520
01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:34,830
Yeah

1521
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,520
Dave Jones: okay I'm familiar
with

1522
01:35:41,550 --> 01:35:44,130
Adam Curry: Guy airline I know
the debate and one of them is

1523
01:35:44,130 --> 01:35:47,010
dead now. I knew that Depeche
Mode guys pretty good ladies.

1524
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:56,220
Let me see. I think that's Mike
Dell 21,000 SATs pre show. busco

1525
01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:57,210
podcasting.

1526
01:35:58,140 --> 01:35:58,440
Dave Jones: Thank you,

1527
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:00,210
Unknown: Mike. And

1528
01:36:00,900 --> 01:36:06,120
Adam Curry: me see then we have
tone wrecker. 4321 bummed to

1529
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,400
miss the board meeting chat room
this week after last week's

1530
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,380
break. We'll we'll catch the
recording while watching our

1531
01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:13,170
high school robotics team
compete this weekend. They did

1532
01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:15,930
qualify now to attend world
finals in Houston next month.

1533
01:36:15,930 --> 01:36:18,870
Let me hear your holla
Nightcrawler Holla Holla Holla

1534
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:24,750
Holla That's right. And one late
one that just came in sir lurks

1535
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:32,460
a lot 13,370 Live booths from
pod verse by Alby and Mike

1536
01:36:32,460 --> 01:36:38,160
Newman 21,112 Mega Rush boost
just turn this thing on heard

1537
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:44,190
Adam talking about big pipes go
podcasting. All right, and now

1538
01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:47,040
it's over to you Dave because I
hit the delimiter so it's time

1539
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,000
for you to take over

1540
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:51,570
Dave Jones: no I've got a Marco
Arment it $500 And

1541
01:36:51,570 --> 01:36:53,010
Adam Curry: pay pal Hello
everybody

1542
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:58,230
Unknown: Wow Sakala 20 hit play
on am Paula Thank

1543
01:36:58,230 --> 01:37:01,020
Adam Curry: you Marco always
appreciate appreciate your

1544
01:37:01,020 --> 01:37:04,620
support of the index and the
work we do. Oh hold on a second.

1545
01:37:04,650 --> 01:37:11,370
I'm sorry. Did I How did I miss
this? Mr. Robot just came in

1546
01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:15,000
with his first live boost.
Thanks for the love of my life

1547
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,870
Mr. Robot for the help. Oh,
anonymous I'm sorry. My first

1548
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:21,840
live was thanks for the love of
my life. Mr. Robot for the help

1549
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,110
go podcasting. 100,000 SATs.

1550
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,340
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on
him.

1551
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:33,690
Adam Curry: That's the love of
Mr. Robot's life. All right.

1552
01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:34,860
Well, Johnny works.

1553
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,140
Dave Jones: Word that is an
entrance into the boardroom.

1554
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,290
Adam Curry: That's a you just
barging into the boardroom with?

1555
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:48,360
Dave Jones: With a with a four
pack a turbo Buzzsprout? Also

1556
01:37:48,540 --> 01:37:49,530
$500

1557
01:37:51,570 --> 01:37:56,490
Unknown: Sakala 20 blades on the
Impala. Yes, thank

1558
01:37:56,490 --> 01:37:59,820
Dave Jones: you. Congratulations
to you. To to you guys for

1559
01:38:00,510 --> 01:38:02,910
sticking with that podcast
understanding and putting it

1560
01:38:02,910 --> 01:38:06,570
together. Yes. That is not an
easy thing to do.

1561
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,360
Adam Curry: Get in the way
politics is not easy.

1562
01:38:10,139 --> 01:38:13,679
Dave Jones: Yes, not and just
get just getting. And getting

1563
01:38:14,069 --> 01:38:20,219
five people on the same page is
hard and much less 15 or 22

1564
01:38:20,219 --> 01:38:25,019
group. Thanks, guys. And while
we're while we're there,

1565
01:38:25,019 --> 01:38:28,109
fountain, Oscar marry $200. Man,

1566
01:38:28,590 --> 01:38:35,490
Adam Curry: we are just Blaze
laminate this value for value it

1567
01:38:35,490 --> 01:38:36,300
works.

1568
01:38:37,980 --> 01:38:40,860
Dave Jones: And, and I have a
will get this whatever this

1569
01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:45,930
mystery 502 At five o'clock at
5:02am in the morning is. I

1570
01:38:45,930 --> 01:38:49,800
don't know if this is some sort
of a joke. But I will find out

1571
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,980
what this problem is and fix it
on the API.

1572
01:38:53,099 --> 01:38:56,039
Adam Curry: Oh, and and I just
want to thank everyone who's

1573
01:38:56,069 --> 01:38:59,429
who's supporting us this week
over the past two weeks, Dave

1574
01:38:59,429 --> 01:39:00,869
and I actually had to pay taxes.

1575
01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:03,600
Dave Jones: That was not fun.
But it was

1576
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,760
Adam Curry: not fun. So we
appreciate you filling it out.

1577
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,310
Because you know, even though we
don't take money out of the

1578
01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:12,660
index for anything, we do pay
taxes over everything that comes

1579
01:39:12,660 --> 01:39:13,680
in Yeah. So

1580
01:39:13,710 --> 01:39:15,900
Dave Jones: I don't know if it's
this way in other countries, but

1581
01:39:15,930 --> 01:39:20,730
in in the US if you have a
partnership, you the income from

1582
01:39:20,730 --> 01:39:24,930
the business goes, Pat is what
they call passes through to

1583
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,950
directly to your personal
return. So it's like you made

1584
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,920
it's like you made all of the
money that the business made.

1585
01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:35,010
Even though that money is not in
your bank. It's in the hands of

1586
01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:39,750
business. Yes. So your that tax
bill is not fun, but

1587
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,170
Adam Curry: we thank you. You've
helped us with that.

1588
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:49,170
Dave Jones: I've got guests who
this is somebody gave us $100

1589
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:54,150
Okay, and this is an this is
somebody this is I want you to

1590
01:39:54,150 --> 01:39:54,810
guess

1591
01:39:56,490 --> 01:40:02,730
Adam Curry: while you're getting
any hints no Just someone I

1592
01:40:02,730 --> 01:40:03,300
know.

1593
01:40:04,830 --> 01:40:08,730
Dave Jones: personally know it
someone's been he's been on the

1594
01:40:08,730 --> 01:40:14,490
show though. And he writes an
app I the podcast

1595
01:40:17,010 --> 01:40:20,490
Adam Curry: Franco? Yes. Yeah.

1596
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,380
Unknown: Sakala 20 is blade on I
am Paula

1597
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:27,240
Adam Curry: has automatic baby.
Yeah,

1598
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:30,210
Dave Jones: the reason I did
that the reason I said I wanted

1599
01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:34,530
you to guess, is because you
have this uncanny ability to

1600
01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:39,630
guess stuff like this with with
almost no information. No, you

1601
01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:43,560
know, you have this gift right?
Yeah, I guess I heard you do

1602
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,320
this for years where? Where
somebody will say, you know,

1603
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:52,380
we're John will say, a guest
this and it'll give you hardly

1604
01:40:52,410 --> 01:40:54,960
any information to go on. And
you will nail it.

1605
01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:58,380
Adam Curry: Yeah. Or come pretty
close. Come pretty. I don't know

1606
01:40:58,380 --> 01:41:01,290
how you. I don't know, either. I
don't know. But you said when

1607
01:41:01,290 --> 01:41:02,580
you said app, I'm like,

1608
01:41:04,170 --> 01:41:06,090
Dave Jones: it could have been
so many people miss Steven B.

1609
01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:08,250
Could have been Martin could
have been Jason from

1610
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:12,450
Adam Curry: I don't know why.
And I don't know. It's neural

1611
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:15,810
networking, because Casta Matic
was also pretty high on the list

1612
01:41:15,810 --> 01:41:21,720
of transactions recently. He's
wired into it and I guess I

1613
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:25,890
guess I don't know. It's crazy.
I'm sorry. It's talent. They're

1614
01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:27,420
raw.

1615
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:32,340
Dave Jones: That was a click
Beatty, you know, mere mortals

1616
01:41:32,340 --> 01:41:34,290
pie. We're going to submit your
graphs caring for the mere

1617
01:41:34,290 --> 01:41:38,280
mortals podcast 2222. He says,
fuck it. I'll step up and try

1618
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,310
this out. You've mentioned the V
for V consultant idea before

1619
01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:45,000
Adam and if the guy who runs the
V for V podcast won't do it,

1620
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,200
then who will? Ah Oh, Aaron's
gonna dip his toe There you

1621
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,540
Adam Curry: go, man. She's at
Courtney Kocak on on Twitter.

1622
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,510
And I replied to her so you can
find it from my timeline and

1623
01:42:00,510 --> 01:42:01,830
just tell her I sent you

1624
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:05,220
Dave Jones: the pod father sent
you Yeah,

1625
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,650
Adam Curry: she's ready for it
man. She just needs a little bit

1626
01:42:07,650 --> 01:42:13,320
of help and look listen to the
content listen to the content.

1627
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:18,120
It's stuff that people will
boost they'll boost

1628
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:22,710
Dave Jones: Oh, I like that.
This is this is a very

1629
01:42:22,710 --> 01:42:26,760
appropriate the chyron would
take this mantle V for Vega.

1630
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:30,210
Adam Curry: Yeah, what a great
great great guy. Go go go go.

1631
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:36,210
Dave Jones: Gene mean 1337 lead
boost he says having my deviated

1632
01:42:36,210 --> 01:42:40,140
septum thanks made me so much
healthier. Dave Dave's health

1633
01:42:40,140 --> 01:42:47,520
podcast is what this is. I like
this. Okay. So, Jean bean again.

1634
01:42:47,550 --> 01:42:50,490
1337. He says, I vote to keep
the dollar amounts in the

1635
01:42:50,490 --> 01:42:52,860
charts, Dave. Okay. All right.
We'll keep it we'll keep it.

1636
01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:58,980
Karen again. 20 To 22 pieces.
And Aussie swear a lot in

1637
01:42:58,980 --> 01:43:03,810
general. Or at least use a fair
bit of slang that's just British

1638
01:43:03,810 --> 01:43:08,400
crudeness. A try typing in
Australian prude in Google and

1639
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:14,940
it tries correcting it to pride.
Thanks, Google. Jean Bane.

1640
01:43:14,940 --> 01:43:18,270
10,000 says he says my
contribution to the Balian Oh,

1641
01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:18,660
okay.

1642
01:43:20,460 --> 01:43:21,630
Unknown: Thank you very good.

1643
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:27,480
Dave Jones: froze ear at
80 8080. He says, Janet Yellen

1644
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:36,180
sounds like a female Verner
Hertzog floored Jo Jo W. Sasha

1645
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:39,780
Richards. No, no, thank you,
Joe. Thank you Joe Clark in my

1646
01:43:39,780 --> 01:43:43,740
buddy 25,000 SATs, he says
octogenarian kleptocratic

1647
01:43:43,740 --> 01:43:47,130
oligarchs are looting the system
in the collapse stage of the US

1648
01:43:47,130 --> 01:43:51,570
Empire. Mid wits who failed up
because of a broken system and

1649
01:43:51,570 --> 01:43:54,990
money thank God for Bitcoin the
orange pill that is also a white

1650
01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:58,050
pill. Boost boost boosts right

1651
01:43:58,050 --> 01:43:58,530
Unknown: nice

1652
01:43:58,590 --> 01:44:02,790
Dave Jones: as a good note,
Brian mozzie 33 333 through

1653
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:06,000
fountain he says double check
the tally coin a donated on

1654
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,130
chain March 12 Boost Oh,

1655
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:11,910
Unknown: I will check on will
check um she says March 12.

1656
01:44:13,020 --> 01:44:16,170
Adam Curry: Well, that would
have been before that one before

1657
01:44:16,170 --> 01:44:17,460
I last show.

1658
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,200
Unknown: Did I read?

1659
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:20,970
Adam Curry: I think I have a
feeling I read that.

1660
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:24,630
Dave Jones: Yeah, I think you
read it. I remember you talking

1661
01:44:24,660 --> 01:44:27,150
about about mozzie I think he
really wants

1662
01:44:27,150 --> 01:44:29,580
Adam Curry: to take it sweet
sweet time to load. Oh, here it

1663
01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:34,980
is. Tally coin. Let's see. March
12. No, that was that was Drib

1664
01:44:35,340 --> 01:44:42,330
No, no testing tally coin was
Drib be Mossy. 48,865 And that

1665
01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:45,360
was March and I was positive. I
think I meant mentioned but if

1666
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,430
not thank you again. Thank you
again. Yes, thank

1667
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:52,500
Dave Jones: you. Color Mona
6969. Through fountain and he

1668
01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:55,890
says saying a YouTube video is a
podcast is like saying a comic

1669
01:44:55,890 --> 01:44:59,130
book is a TV show called mana
sir Libra moon.

1670
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,900
Unknown: I totally agree.

1671
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,650
Dave Jones: Ahlborn Citadelle
50,000 SATs and he says boost

1672
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:11,280
boost. Oh, here we go. Chris
last. Chris from Jupiter

1673
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:17,070
broadcasting 222,222 sets

1674
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:22,320
Unknown: Sakala 20 is Blaze on I
am Paula.

1675
01:45:22,350 --> 01:45:24,690
Adam Curry: Wow. Thank you.
Thank you, Chris.

1676
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,170
Dave Jones: He says, Hey,
gentlemen, some good news. Linux

1677
01:45:28,170 --> 01:45:31,440
fest northwest, the best and
largest open source community

1678
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:35,340
event in the country is back in
October after COVID break. I'm

1679
01:45:35,340 --> 01:45:37,830
putting the word out that we're
hoping to get someone in the

1680
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:41,790
podcast in 2.0 community to hold
a talk call for papers is open

1681
01:45:41,790 --> 01:45:46,320
now details at Linux Linux fest
northwest.org. It's like a

1682
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:47,700
party. Hey,

1683
01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:50,610
Adam Curry: are those guys doing
live shows? Yeah,

1684
01:45:50,610 --> 01:45:54,990
Dave Jones: I don't think so. I
think they're, they're zeroing

1685
01:45:54,990 --> 01:45:55,590
in on it though.

1686
01:45:55,650 --> 01:45:58,050
Adam Curry: Because I can just
imagine I listen to their to

1687
01:45:58,050 --> 01:46:02,340
their show often, frequently,
and I haven't boosted in a while

1688
01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:05,160
but yeah, but man if I was
listening to a live show, it's

1689
01:46:05,190 --> 01:46:09,120
it's made for boosting live. No,
it totally would have been total

1690
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:09,750
fun with it.

1691
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,690
Dave Jones: Thank you, Chris.
Appreciate that, bro. Oh, Roy

1692
01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:21,540
scheinfeld Yeah, 54321 no note.
He just says podcast. index.org

1693
01:46:21,570 --> 01:46:22,260
Adam Curry: Whoa,

1694
01:46:22,380 --> 01:46:23,670
Unknown: whoa, okay, well,

1695
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:24,990
Dave Jones: how you doing
booster. Thanks,

1696
01:46:24,990 --> 01:46:26,010
Adam Curry: Roy. I got a call
Roy.

1697
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:30,240
Dave Jones: Let's see. I've got
I've got a double delimiter

1698
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,720
here. So I'm just gonna read the
first delimiter from comic strip

1699
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:37,350
blogger. 30 3015. This was the
shortened delimiter from last

1700
01:46:37,350 --> 01:46:40,740
week. God says how do you Adam
and Dave since Adam wanted me to

1701
01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:46,200
boost also when you don't have a
show that you actually said

1702
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:46,590
that?

1703
01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:51,180
Adam Curry: Here's a commission
blogger always lets us know if

1704
01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:53,730
if he got if all the splits
work, which I appreciate he does

1705
01:46:53,730 --> 01:46:59,520
it for for carrying the keeper
as well. Okay. And he says, Hey,

1706
01:46:59,610 --> 01:47:03,120
are you guys doing the show or
not? And I want to know if I

1707
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,850
should do so I said, I think I
said Well, you know the server's

1708
01:47:05,850 --> 01:47:09,330
still work while we're while
we're even though we don't have

1709
01:47:09,330 --> 01:47:12,690
a show. And you took that to
heart and I appreciate that.

1710
01:47:12,900 --> 01:47:14,280
Appreciate it, man. Thank you.

1711
01:47:15,180 --> 01:47:19,500
Dave Jones: Okay. He says it's
just a funny way to say it.

1712
01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:24,180
Since Adam wanted me to boost
also when you don't have this

1713
01:47:24,180 --> 01:47:26,790
week. So here it is. Yoast.

1714
01:47:27,780 --> 01:47:29,220
Adam Curry: Thank you combinator
blogger.

1715
01:47:29,429 --> 01:47:35,369
Dave Jones: Thanks. ESB. 6969
from a citizen. Blessings to you

1716
01:47:35,399 --> 01:47:39,809
saviors of the universe. Maybe
not the universe, maybe podcast.

1717
01:47:41,639 --> 01:47:46,139
Macintosh 20 103 found in and he
says Eurodollar University is a

1718
01:47:46,139 --> 01:47:51,239
great podcast. Okay. It's not a
podcast. Oh, wait, it actually

1719
01:47:51,239 --> 01:47:54,449
it is a podcast. I think he does
have a Python is good. But I

1720
01:47:54,449 --> 01:47:57,659
watched it on YouTube. You're
right Macintosh, I hope noster

1721
01:47:57,659 --> 01:48:03,029
sorts out V for V type support
soon. The protocol and the basic

1722
01:48:03,029 --> 01:48:06,299
ideas, decentralized free speech
that is censorship resistant and

1723
01:48:06,299 --> 01:48:09,839
can even provide semi private
communication is very important,

1724
01:48:09,839 --> 01:48:14,819
in my opinion, is early days,
early early days. We will see

1725
01:48:14,819 --> 01:48:18,269
how it works out on a completely
different thought. Could we get

1726
01:48:18,269 --> 01:48:21,689
returns implanted in boosts?
Returns?

1727
01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:26,910
Adam Curry: Oh, so you can boost
back up somebody?

1728
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:30,600
Dave Jones: Okay, on a
completely different thought.

1729
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:35,010
Could we get returns and planted
in boosts? I would love to be

1730
01:48:35,010 --> 01:48:40,170
able to have separate
paragraphs. Oh, man. Oh, well,

1731
01:48:40,170 --> 01:48:40,350
that

1732
01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:43,530
Adam Curry: depends what app
you're using. Yeah. And

1733
01:48:43,530 --> 01:48:46,020
Dave Jones: you've and remember
Macintosh, you've only got a

1734
01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:48,870
very limited amount of message
space. Yeah,

1735
01:48:48,929 --> 01:48:51,659
Adam Curry: yeah. Yeah, that but
I do find that a problem as

1736
01:48:51,659 --> 01:48:58,289
well. When I use I think almost
any, any app. Except curio casts

1737
01:48:58,289 --> 01:49:01,949
or because it's a web based.
There's no spellcheck. There's

1738
01:49:01,949 --> 01:49:08,489
no no autocomplete of like, you
know, I'm you have to put in the

1739
01:49:08,489 --> 01:49:12,599
apostrophe yourself. Yeah, yeah,
I understand. I understand the

1740
01:49:12,599 --> 01:49:15,449
problem, but yeah, it's limited
space to true

1741
01:49:15,480 --> 01:49:19,020
Dave Jones: Yeah, you were the
TLV piggybacks inside the onion.

1742
01:49:20,490 --> 01:49:22,110
In the lightning payment. Hey,
baby,

1743
01:49:22,110 --> 01:49:28,080
Adam Curry: can I can I put my T
O V on your onion? I piggyback

1744
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,610
my TLV on your onion.

1745
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:35,400
Dave Jones: There's seven
millimeters of bone. So yes, he

1746
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,300
says have some paragraphs he
says go podcasting. Yes, I hear

1747
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:46,890
ya podcast 8008 Boob donation
from our Davis 87 He says in the

1748
01:49:46,890 --> 01:49:52,170
morning gents ITM love see love
the stet talk please defrag me

1749
01:49:52,290 --> 01:49:52,800
Oh,

1750
01:49:53,580 --> 01:49:57,600
Adam Curry: that for a while.
You got it.

1751
01:49:58,230 --> 01:50:01,980
Dave Jones: Sir. I think that
strips got Little one, Sir

1752
01:50:01,980 --> 01:50:05,370
Michael 10 case that's 10,000
SATs he says where's the new

1753
01:50:05,370 --> 01:50:08,970
episode? I need my Friday fix
upon namespace talk real time

1754
01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:10,920
might start listening to more
net casts.

1755
01:50:12,179 --> 01:50:15,629
Adam Curry: Sorry we weren't
here. We weren't here. No, don't

1756
01:50:15,630 --> 01:50:20,760
Dave Jones: do that. Jay Moon
5033 He says at work on a Friday

1757
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:22,980
night it's just not the same
without the boardroom meeting

1758
01:50:22,980 --> 01:50:24,570
from earlier library.

1759
01:50:25,529 --> 01:50:29,039
Adam Curry: Same for me. I
missed it too. I was doing it. I

1760
01:50:29,039 --> 01:50:29,759
miss doing it.

1761
01:50:30,539 --> 01:50:34,079
Dave Jones: I love sushi. 1000
SATs through cast semantics is

1762
01:50:34,079 --> 01:50:36,449
test boost from CAST Matic Well,
I love sushi.

1763
01:50:36,539 --> 01:50:39,689
Adam Curry: Yeah, she is
boosting a lot and boosts other

1764
01:50:39,689 --> 01:50:41,249
shows as well. Thank you. I love
sushi.

1765
01:50:42,209 --> 01:50:47,489
Dave Jones: Nicholas be
58 50,000 says ooh, Nicholas

1766
01:50:47,489 --> 01:50:48,539
says boost

1767
01:50:48,570 --> 01:50:50,280
Unknown: got it boost.

1768
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:56,400
Dave Jones: Just listening 1000
SATs and just listening says GE

1769
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:00,960
Griffin in the Creature from
Jekyll Island, quote, Secrets of

1770
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:04,350
the temple was critical of the
Federal Reserve because of its

1771
01:51:04,350 --> 01:51:08,250
failures. But according to
greater these were not caused by

1772
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,640
any defect in the system itself.
But were merely were the result

1773
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,610
of economic factors which are so
complicated that the good men

1774
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:17,070
who have struggled to make the
system work just haven't been

1775
01:51:17,070 --> 01:51:19,680
able to figure it all out. But
don't worry, folks, they're

1776
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:20,370
working on it.

1777
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:22,530
Adam Curry: That's streaming I'm
sure they are.

1778
01:51:23,490 --> 01:51:29,490
Dave Jones: I I agree. Oh, he
has a follow up here he says

1779
01:51:30,180 --> 01:51:32,820
this is post quote he says that
is exactly the kind of

1780
01:51:32,820 --> 01:51:35,280
powderpuff criticism which is
acceptable in our mainstream

1781
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:38,760
media. Dave I'm slowly working
my way through 60s at the temple

1782
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,950
and I'm loving the occasional
tidbits when you mention it

1783
01:51:41,220 --> 01:51:43,530
maybe we could hear roundup of
your thoughts when I'm reading

1784
01:51:43,530 --> 01:51:43,650
it

1785
01:51:43,890 --> 01:51:46,950
Adam Curry: yeah exactly. Make
us make us all completely into

1786
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:47,640
Unix

1787
01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:59,160
Dave Jones: the I agree in this
like I'm not reading it for

1788
01:51:59,820 --> 01:52:03,540
incredibly harsh criticism of
the Federal Reserve it's really

1789
01:52:03,540 --> 01:52:09,180
history to me like I want to
hear what was going on at the

1790
01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:14,160
time from somebody who was there
get a little pig militant but ya

1791
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:19,110
know there's I'm sure that's
fair. C dubs one on one a one

1792
01:52:19,110 --> 01:52:23,940
binary boost he says I say
boosted boosted good things to

1793
01:52:25,740 --> 01:52:33,210
say sir looks a lot 1337 lead
boost he says oh Lord, bass haze

1794
01:52:33,210 --> 01:52:38,010
me begin series of boosts and
then how many is this? Oh my

1795
01:52:38,010 --> 01:52:41,070
god, this is like seven boosts.

1796
01:52:41,940 --> 01:52:42,570
Unknown: Wow.

1797
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:44,820
Adam Curry: So let's see seeing
this. Yeah, we're actually

1798
01:52:44,820 --> 01:52:58,080
looking at it now.
1-234-567-8588 gifts 1234567 I

1799
01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:58,680
get eight.

1800
01:52:59,610 --> 01:53:02,760
Dave Jones: Okay, we'll see. Let
me try to skim the low because

1801
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:07,620
this too much is like like seven
paragraphs of material here. The

1802
01:53:07,620 --> 01:53:10,980
folks at Jupiter broadcasting
are killing it right now. And

1803
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:13,710
more of you should know about
it. JB and their audience, an

1804
01:53:13,710 --> 01:53:15,930
army of highly technical
computer geeks are building the

1805
01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:18,780
tooling and workflows necessary
to automate instead of

1806
01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:22,020
generating not only their
website as shows release, but

1807
01:53:22,020 --> 01:53:24,960
eventually also spit out a
podcasting 2.0 compliant RSS

1808
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,780
feed, complete with advanced
features like alternate

1809
01:53:27,780 --> 01:53:30,810
enclosures chapters lit tags for
live shows and AI generated

1810
01:53:30,810 --> 01:53:36,900
transcripts JRB JB are building
a completely self hosted back in

1811
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:40,620
infrastructure to automatically
process shows using available

1812
01:53:40,620 --> 01:53:44,370
open source tools like Hugo
whisper and peer tube and tying

1813
01:53:44,370 --> 01:53:46,890
them together with their own
tooling which they also released

1814
01:53:46,890 --> 01:53:50,940
as open source. This can become
a monumental if not Cornerstone

1815
01:53:50,940 --> 01:53:55,620
public good for the PC 2.0
ecosystem. They have a very

1816
01:53:55,620 --> 01:53:58,710
talented community, but I think
they might welcome help and

1817
01:53:58,710 --> 01:54:01,770
input as this could be such a
great boon for podcasters

1818
01:54:01,770 --> 01:54:07,350
everywhere. They do a live video
stream of shows one of their

1819
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:09,570
listeners create a Docker
container

1820
01:54:10,019 --> 01:54:11,189
Adam Curry: beautiful Borlaug.

1821
01:54:12,420 --> 01:54:13,710
Dave Jones: No this was Sir
lurks a

1822
01:54:13,710 --> 01:54:16,320
Adam Curry: lot. Oh, because
Borlaug did this how many how

1823
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,610
many was each boost?

1824
01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:20,100
Dave Jones: 1337

1825
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,460
Adam Curry: Oh, okay. I'm sorry.
Alicia booth. Yes, got it, got

1826
01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:23,880
it got it.

1827
01:54:25,710 --> 01:54:29,280
Dave Jones: The hitless peer
tube that you could spin up on a

1828
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:32,520
$5 virtual host in the cloud and
minutes on demand. The

1829
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,090
implications of this are truly
monumental. hitless peer tube is

1830
01:54:36,090 --> 01:54:39,060
what he's saying, yeah, if you
can automatically spin up peer

1831
01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:40,770
to peer. It's also

1832
01:54:40,770 --> 01:54:43,410
Adam Curry: a good show title,
headless peer tube, headless

1833
01:54:43,410 --> 01:54:47,550
Dave Jones: periods. If you can
automatically spin up peer to

1834
01:54:47,550 --> 01:54:50,280
peers in data centers in the
geographic regions, where

1835
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:52,860
they're most needed during a
live show you have a real viable

1836
01:54:52,860 --> 01:54:56,010
alternative to relying on
platforms like YouTube with

1837
01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:58,830
their massive content delivery
networks, you can spin up your

1838
01:54:58,830 --> 01:55:01,590
own lightning infrastructure.
Light infrastructure on demand.

1839
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:05,220
Adam Curry: I'm sure looks a lot
might want to do his own

1840
01:55:05,220 --> 01:55:06,060
podcast.

1841
01:55:06,180 --> 01:55:09,510
Dave Jones: Yeah, that's what
Yeah. So this two lane are

1842
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:12,720
working on become if you can't
support JB directly, they

1843
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,980
consider supporting projects
like peer to mean, I agree.

1844
01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:21,540
They're doing great stuff. And
all that is. I mean, it's just

1845
01:55:21,570 --> 01:55:26,640
so important as talking about
office hours, okay, so office

1846
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:32,880
hours is the show that where
Chris over there goes into sort

1847
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:39,030
of like the back, the back end.
That's a good show. Yeah. And I

1848
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:44,550
gotta do I think people should
listen to that. Yeah, thank you,

1849
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:47,400
sir. Looks like that. Thanks for
just pointing out all of that.

1850
01:55:48,930 --> 01:55:52,050
It seemed more okay. So Borlaug,
is when you're talking 10,000

1851
01:55:52,050 --> 01:55:56,310
SATs several times, several
times. He says, I'm trying an

1852
01:55:56,310 --> 01:56:04,620
experiment ready dot dot dot and
then say nothing else. Yes.

1853
01:56:04,620 --> 01:56:06,450
Thank you for putting up with
that test. Yep.

1854
01:56:06,450 --> 01:56:10,170
Adam Curry: But he has seven
times 10,000 SATs or eight times

1855
01:56:10,170 --> 01:56:13,680
10,000 steps 80,000 says what
really love that and then I just

1856
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:18,270
got a boost coming in 3333 Dave
forgot to read my second fat

1857
01:56:18,270 --> 01:56:22,170
booster gram. I haven't
forgotten it's coming. I know if

1858
01:56:22,170 --> 01:56:26,250
we're doing it in order CSB.
He's up early. He's up early or

1859
01:56:26,250 --> 01:56:26,640
late.

1860
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:31,980
Dave Jones: Let's see. Okay, you
already got tonne Rick or you

1861
01:56:31,980 --> 01:56:35,040
got Mike. You got less. Yep. All
right. So we're good. We're good

1862
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:43,290
there. Did CSB this there's the
delimiter Yep. 30 3015, DJ and

1863
01:56:43,290 --> 01:56:47,850
AC. Your magnanimous approach to
the field of podcasting propels

1864
01:56:47,850 --> 01:56:52,200
the medium beyond stratospheric
popularity. Let the in five in

1865
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,040
be cut to death by the shattered
shards of the glass ceiling you

1866
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,940
blast through each week. There
in the remnants of your wake,

1867
01:57:00,180 --> 01:57:05,280
you'll find AI dot cooking
podcast, a podcast documenting

1868
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:09,780
that which they call artificial
and intelligent. Hosted by

1869
01:57:09,810 --> 01:57:13,080
ardent Beatles champion Gregory
Forman. Yo.

1870
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:18,030
Adam Curry: So CSB does the as
has really been, and I don't

1871
01:57:18,030 --> 01:57:22,350
know if he writes it or, or
Gregory Forman writes it I

1872
01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:28,680
accused him of using chat GPT
which he adamantly refutes. But

1873
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:33,480
his boosts have been so I mean,
it's every single show, every

1874
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,750
single show I do. Now Tina even
said, I'm gonna listen to this

1875
01:57:36,750 --> 01:57:42,660
damn show. I'm gonna listen to
AI doc cooking. I gotta listen

1876
01:57:42,660 --> 01:57:45,240
to it. Now. I don't know if she
has yet but she threatened to.

1877
01:57:45,870 --> 01:57:48,900
So those are and we have some
monthlies. Maybe.

1878
01:57:49,770 --> 01:57:54,150
Dave Jones: Yeah, that is called
that is the biblical strategy of

1879
01:57:54,420 --> 01:57:57,210
the baker going and beating on
the door until you come to the

1880
01:57:57,210 --> 01:57:57,720
door. And so,

1881
01:57:58,350 --> 01:58:01,410
Adam Curry: yes, it works. It
works. It works. It works.

1882
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:05,100
Dave Jones: We do have some
monthlies. We've got Trevor from

1883
01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:11,220
Xena where if $5 Paul Erskine
$11.14 Michael Gagan $5 Charles

1884
01:58:11,220 --> 01:58:16,680
current $5 Shawn McCune $20
Thank you, Sean James Sullivan

1885
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:22,980
$10 cone glotzbach $5
Christopher Raymer $10 Jordan

1886
01:58:22,980 --> 01:58:30,450
Dunnville $10 Lesley Martin $2
Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Dred

1887
01:58:30,450 --> 01:58:34,530
Scott the Bruce Wayne of
podcasting $15 Aaron Renaud $5,

1888
01:58:34,530 --> 01:58:36,510
and Pedro gun calvess $5.

1889
01:58:37,530 --> 01:58:40,200
Adam Curry: Wow, thank you all
so much. This is two weeks worth

1890
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:43,470
that's why he's a little bit
longer. But you're listening to

1891
01:58:43,470 --> 01:58:47,820
the value for value model in its
full glory. This is how you do

1892
01:58:47,820 --> 01:58:50,010
it. If you want to learn more
about value for value, we have

1893
01:58:50,010 --> 01:58:54,900
value for value dot info, which
Gigi and I have put together

1894
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with some help from others, by
the way, GitHub for that as well

1895
01:58:57,210 --> 01:59:00,510
if you want to contribute to it.
And of course you can support us

1896
01:59:00,660 --> 01:59:04,080
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1897
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:07,620
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1898
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1899
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1900
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using a modern podcast app you
can find it a podcast apps.com

1901
01:59:18,900 --> 01:59:23,670
look for anything that has value
for value in it and boost boost

1902
01:59:23,670 --> 01:59:25,860
boost boost boost away. We
really appreciate it. Thank you

1903
01:59:25,860 --> 01:59:28,500
so much. You keep the server's
running. You keep everything

1904
01:59:28,500 --> 01:59:31,110
motivated. You keep the
boardroom stocked with bagels,

1905
01:59:31,110 --> 01:59:32,610
we are very grateful.

1906
01:59:35,460 --> 01:59:39,180
Dave Jones: Somebody somebody
needs to hire Stacey goers. She

1907
01:59:39,180 --> 01:59:39,840
lost her job.

1908
01:59:40,050 --> 01:59:45,030
Adam Curry: I sent her a message
today. Yeah, I did too. I didn't

1909
01:59:45,090 --> 01:59:49,350
quite I mean, we know where I
didn't quite feel comfortable

1910
01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:52,290
enough by saying hey, you should
help this. This woman out with

1911
01:59:53,130 --> 01:59:55,200
with private parts. I don't know
where

1912
01:59:57,300 --> 02:00:00,240
Dave Jones: Karen's got that one
in the bag now but I

1913
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:02,700
Adam Curry: did say hey anything
we can do she said she got a lot

1914
02:00:02,700 --> 02:00:04,860
of people from the podcasting
community reached out to her

1915
02:00:04,860 --> 02:00:08,010
which is always nice it shows
course because it is a community

1916
02:00:08,160 --> 02:00:10,860
and connection is production.
People got it. We got to stick

1917
02:00:10,860 --> 02:00:13,800
together because we're always
under assault from somewhere.

1918
02:00:15,450 --> 02:00:19,500
Dave Jones: So she you know, she
was our man on the inside that

1919
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:24,540
NPR data at a headache at NPR
than at a gas. Yeah. Yeah. So

1920
02:00:24,780 --> 02:00:29,010
she's never actually stayed
anywhere long enough to see that

1921
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:37,500
to see 2.0 Produce fruit. So
when cash is gonna bail? She No,

1922
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:41,610
no, I'm saying like she was at
NPR was a big advocate for 2.0.

1923
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,730
And she left him with a cast
before that came to fruition.

1924
02:00:44,730 --> 02:00:48,180
Yeah, I know. And then the same
thing here some of our hope a

1925
02:00:48,180 --> 02:00:52,830
cast follows through on their
yes on the journey PSP.

1926
02:00:52,830 --> 02:00:56,520
Adam Curry: Exactly. And if
anyone's, you know, Stacy that

1927
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,250
she's at Stacey on podcasting,
next on social if you're looking

1928
02:00:59,250 --> 02:01:03,450
for it, reach out. All right,
brother Dave, you know, almost

1929
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:06,360
well, actually two hours on the
nose. Not bad for this board

1930
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,480
meeting. I'd been in much longer
board meetings that were a lot

1931
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less fun.

1932
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Dave Jones: It's almost time for
my next round of Tylenol.

1933
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Adam Curry: Tylenol and your
beef milkshake. Yes.

1934
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Dave Jones: I've already been
milkshake to myself to death

1935
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today. Filled with beef

1936
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Adam Curry: feel better brother.
I'm sorry. Thanks for Thanks for

1937
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coming to the coming to the
board meeting despite the fever

1938
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and all that get some get some
rest fluids, etc.

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Dave Jones: plenty of fluids.
Yep, some. Some, some love some

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love. You've got an issue.

1941
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Adam Curry: Okay. All right. All
the love baby. I love you so

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much. All right. Have a great
weekend, brother. We'll talk to

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you next week to everybody else.
podcast 2.0 The board meeting.

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Thanks for attending. See you
next week right here

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