1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:05,999 Adam Curry: podcasting 2.0 for March 17 2023, episode 126 We're 2 00:00:05,999 --> 00:00:10,889 podcasting Power Rangers. Hello everybody. Welcome once again to 3 00:00:10,889 --> 00:00:15,419 your weekly board meeting for podcasting 2.0. We are the 4 00:00:15,419 --> 00:00:19,049 firewalls of Big Bang contagion, protecting you from everything 5 00:00:19,049 --> 00:00:23,459 back. And of course, protecting and extending podcasts, you can 6 00:00:23,459 --> 00:00:25,799 all happen to hear what's going on with the namespace, what's 7 00:00:25,799 --> 00:00:29,429 happening in podcasts index.org Or even where it all happens 8 00:00:29,429 --> 00:00:32,279 podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of 9 00:00:32,279 --> 00:00:35,369 the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama, the only man who can 10 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:38,309 resolve your good say hello to my friend on the other end, 11 00:00:38,309 --> 00:00:40,619 ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:42,659 --> 00:00:45,389 Dave Jones: This this will be an interesting show and going to 13 00:00:45,389 --> 00:00:48,539 have taken the challenge of trying to keep all the 14 00:00:48,539 --> 00:00:51,689 background noise from have a full house of people here. 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,930 Adam Curry: Oh, no, I can even tell you're talking a little 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,040 softer than usual, which is kind of heard. Yeah. And yeah. Crank 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,690 it up, bro. Talk like you mean. 18 00:01:01,050 --> 00:01:04,170 Dave Jones: No, no, it's not. That's not even temporary. What 19 00:01:04,170 --> 00:01:06,180 you're hearing is the fact that I'm sick again. 20 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:10,050 Adam Curry: Oh, no. Yeah, again, this is like, Are you kidding 21 00:01:10,050 --> 00:01:13,830 me? Sorry, sorry. Just 22 00:01:13,830 --> 00:01:17,880 Dave Jones: last week. On the show. I mentioned that I was 23 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:20,790 working from home so I could take care of my daughter right 24 00:01:20,790 --> 00:01:24,030 who was sick. Right? Well, of course she gave a now yeah, when 25 00:01:24,030 --> 00:01:24,840 she got you know, 26 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:29,580 Adam Curry: I'm sorry. Is it like a dry throat or what is 27 00:01:29,580 --> 00:01:32,970 yeah, this is the thing. Everybody got it? Podcast 28 00:01:32,970 --> 00:01:36,210 Movement, contagion. I think it's what it was called. Wasn't 29 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:40,560 podcast, no Podcast Movement, congestion. I can't remember it 30 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,300 was the name of the p&g PMC podcast contagion. What was 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,490 Podcast Movement? What was it? I don't know in Vegas. Apparently 32 00:01:50,490 --> 00:01:51,630 everybody got sick. 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,270 Dave Jones: Oh, really? Oh, say hey, Pat. They passed around 34 00:01:54,270 --> 00:01:56,940 this. Oh, this is like, what comes after Omicron 35 00:01:57,510 --> 00:02:01,770 Adam Curry: Oh, no, they gave up on that a long time. No, they 36 00:02:01,770 --> 00:02:03,600 kept cracking they had crack and all of a 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,260 Dave Jones: sudden oh, yes. Baby cracking this with this rack. 38 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:10,440 And this feels like baby this feels like baby crack. And it's 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:16,590 like, it's just it's not like it doesn't like destroy you and 40 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:19,920 like bring you to your knees. Yeah, but it really it brings 41 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,160 you down to like, where your hands on hips and like, like, 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,440 I'm really tired of this really tired overall. 43 00:02:25,470 --> 00:02:28,740 Adam Curry: Now you're you're normally just a sickly guy. So 44 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:36,720 let me ask your question, Danny to tidy tip of podcasting. 45 00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:42,900 Before COVID Would you get this type of stuff regularly on a 46 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:45,990 regular basis like like a flu or something a couple times a year? 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,800 Dave Jones: I have a standing date every year with a sinus 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,990 infection. Okay, it's just I mean this is always in January 49 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:59,010 or February this happens sometimes late December okay 50 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,150 I've got the was a cold day deviated septum 51 00:03:03,810 --> 00:03:06,660 Adam Curry: Oh from all the coke you did as a kid holy crazy 52 00:03:06,660 --> 00:03:07,170 rotted it 53 00:03:07,170 --> 00:03:12,090 Dave Jones: out yes. Oh yes. Yes. All the partying has left 54 00:03:12,090 --> 00:03:16,200 me deaf and with a damn with no nose blockage or whatever. But 55 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Adam Curry: hey, the index is running really fast. Okay, now 56 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:25,020 you can have that corrected. Can't you deviated septum? 57 00:03:26,310 --> 00:03:28,920 Dave Jones: I think you can I don't think I talked to the end 58 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:31,290 doc about it a few years ago. And he's like, you're he's like 59 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:33,630 you're just gonna have you're just gonna have this he's like, 60 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:37,680 this is your life and until I'm sorry. So I mean, 61 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:40,530 Adam Curry: of course you know, you know I'm from I spent a lot 62 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:43,230 of time in South Jersey. So we just laugh about this stuff. 63 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:47,220 There's no other way to to handle it. I forgot I don't know 64 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:47,910 what to say. 65 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:50,490 Dave Jones: Stephen basic. Do you know seasonal cold cold 66 00:03:50,490 --> 00:03:51,480 stroke and heart attacks. 67 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:54,030 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, that's right. We're all gonna die. 68 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:58,230 Everybody is scared to death now. Right off the bat Dred 69 00:03:58,230 --> 00:03:58,470 Scott. 70 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:03,540 Unknown: Shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula free 71 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:11,430 Adam Curry: boosting us 121,212 SATs 121212 And what I'm afraid 72 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:15,510 of is the drum at this point is you know is living in a trailer. 73 00:04:15,810 --> 00:04:17,550 His kids got no shoes. 74 00:04:18,329 --> 00:04:21,059 Dave Jones: Yeah. This is mortgage payment. Nothing. 75 00:04:21,390 --> 00:04:24,510 Adam Curry: Trailer. Nothing against trailers. By the way. I 76 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:26,940 don't mean it that way. But I just really have a feeling like 77 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:31,410 man, is he boosting energy? Just test 12,000 SATs want to want to 78 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:36,840 just attach drug tests to my pom just throw it throw a tenner 79 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:39,840 your way. believable? Unbelievable. 80 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,029 Dave Jones: I mean, I was gonna say boost the dip last week but 81 00:04:42,029 --> 00:04:42,749 there is no dip. 82 00:04:44,370 --> 00:04:46,770 Adam Curry: Dip is not happening baby. The dip is not happening. 83 00:04:46,770 --> 00:04:51,570 We are of course, lit which means we're live and if you have 84 00:04:51,570 --> 00:04:56,370 one of those handy dandy apps that does it all, which is pod 85 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:59,970 verse and podcast addict at this point, although you can go 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Certainly listening on curio caster then you were alerted and 87 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,450 you got dumped right and when you clicked on it you got dumped 88 00:05:06,450 --> 00:05:09,420 right into a special little episode there which is live you 89 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:12,240 hear the stream you can log into the chat and of course you can 90 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:12,810 boost us 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,879 Dave Jones: and you may not even know where you are you may have 92 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:17,399 just tap the button and had no idea what's happened. No idea 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,120 Adam Curry: what's going on. Exactly. And actually, I there's 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,770 something pretty big, actually, like a huge let me put it this 95 00:05:25,770 --> 00:05:29,760 way. Everyone's huge. Everybody's all my Oh, hold on a 96 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,370 second. We got something really big we're gonna have so big 97 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:41,670 dropkick with All right. Can I can I make it any more clear? 98 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:42,360 This is big. 99 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:44,460 Dave Jones: This is really big Jesus almighty. 100 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,609 Adam Curry: Everyone's always talking about how do we promote 101 00:05:47,609 --> 00:05:50,339 podcasting to point out we got to promote the value for value. 102 00:05:50,369 --> 00:05:53,159 We got to get out we got to do more. We needed a better 103 00:05:53,159 --> 00:05:59,459 website. Okay. Couple things happened this week. So big, big 104 00:05:59,459 --> 00:06:04,769 news and two things happened concurrently. Now I was 105 00:06:04,769 --> 00:06:06,539 listening to NMS and P WR 106 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,230 Dave Jones: he's a my a new media show and podcast podcast 107 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:10,770 weekly review 108 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,220 Adam Curry: pod news weekly review. I put in a package pod 109 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:15,330 news weekly review, isn't it? 110 00:06:18,690 --> 00:06:21,480 Dave Jones: As a podcast, so I'm guest Sudafed brain. 111 00:06:22,709 --> 00:06:25,649 Adam Curry: Okay. That's what they're calling it these days. 112 00:06:25,649 --> 00:06:26,009 I'll shoot 113 00:06:27,329 --> 00:06:30,269 Dave Jones: this as listening to the what you're playing some 114 00:06:30,269 --> 00:06:34,349 clips of like the people describing I think there's only 115 00:06:34,349 --> 00:06:37,289 an A you're playing some clips of people describing the feeling 116 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:38,909 of being on like, 117 00:06:39,779 --> 00:06:44,219 Adam Curry: oh, no, no, no, the Adderall, Adderall and Vyvanse. 118 00:06:44,729 --> 00:06:45,209 Yeah, 119 00:06:45,659 --> 00:06:48,569 Dave Jones: that's that's what I feel. I feel like the median. 120 00:06:49,259 --> 00:06:51,179 Like, whatever that is speed. 121 00:06:51,180 --> 00:06:53,550 Adam Curry: Yeah, no, it's not for me. I'll 122 00:06:53,550 --> 00:06:56,040 Dave Jones: tell you that. My Sudafed is basically math right. 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:57,030 But 124 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:59,069 Adam Curry: Sudafed is method slows you down? Does it make you 125 00:06:59,069 --> 00:07:00,689 speedy? I guess it does make you speedy. 126 00:07:01,140 --> 00:07:03,900 Dave Jones: It makes my brain Yeah, makes me have Sudafed. 127 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,390 very underrated. Oh, please, please. 128 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:08,940 Adam Curry: No, no, it's okay. I mean, this is a human interest 129 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,420 segment. I like that it is. So first I'm listening to the new 130 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:18,180 media show. And right out of the blue after Podcast Movement 131 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:22,380 contagion. We've got Rob Greenlee quitting pod bean after 132 00:07:22,380 --> 00:07:25,410 Dave Jones: three months. Yes, that was a quick that was a 133 00:07:25,410 --> 00:07:25,920 quickie. 134 00:07:25,980 --> 00:07:28,260 Adam Curry: And you know, and no one's explained to me, I don't 135 00:07:28,260 --> 00:07:30,930 need to know. But no one's explained to me what happened? 136 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,280 Which I which is just I'm always like, ah, that's kind of weird. 137 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:38,610 Did you know the way it's being played I'm fine with this Rob 138 00:07:38,610 --> 00:07:40,650 wants to be independent. Perfect. 139 00:07:40,649 --> 00:07:42,449 Dave Jones: It was basically just an achievement that he 140 00:07:42,449 --> 00:07:47,099 needed like he needed to get to get like the badge for his how 141 00:07:47,099 --> 00:07:50,339 many companies did to been at all the all the Hong Kong 142 00:07:50,339 --> 00:07:53,309 podcast hosting companies right needed that one left to fill out 143 00:07:53,309 --> 00:07:54,119 his trophy room? 144 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:57,570 Adam Curry: Yes. I think the running joke is Buzzsprout has 145 00:07:57,570 --> 00:08:00,150 given him a one day contract, shall we? So he has the full 146 00:08:00,150 --> 00:08:04,500 gamut. So we have every single podcast company. He's a podcast 147 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,630 host till we start so he starts his consultancy pod easy.com. 148 00:08:09,930 --> 00:08:14,970 That's podcast easy.com SciShow. Podcast easy podcast, eco Zulu 149 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:27,120 podcast as in Spain. podcast is dukkah. So interesting. He has a 150 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,990 Sennheiser 421 On the homepage, which kind of tickled me says 151 00:08:30,990 --> 00:08:34,530 Now it's time to start your podcast. And so best in podcasts 152 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:37,560 best in class, podcast, consulting, and surfaces No 153 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:40,350 matter your level, we've got you covered and he's got I don't 154 00:08:40,350 --> 00:08:42,960 know if it's just him or more people but as a team and all 155 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,320 kinds of stuff. And it seems like that kind of like is his 156 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:50,970 signature services. We've got rock the mic, audio only podcast 157 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,120 service subscription, dropped the mic audio and video podcast 158 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,360 service subscription and just speak, which is the Khan shares 159 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,500 podcast subscription service. Now what I'm missing here is 160 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,050 what I think is a huge opportunity and I'm going to 161 00:09:04,050 --> 00:09:09,030 prove it. So this is for Rob and for any other people who want to 162 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:11,820 be independent independent podcast consultants, who can 163 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:14,400 work with any podcast hosting company of course, 164 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,470 Dave Jones: I like those different levels by the way the 165 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:17,190 drop in Michael 166 00:09:18,540 --> 00:09:21,540 Adam Curry: very good name. So he's a marketing guy right off 167 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:25,680 the bat. We know this of course, we know we're our longtime I 168 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:30,540 would recommend a fourth category which would just be 169 00:09:30,540 --> 00:09:36,240 your V four v. And I would recommend that you have a level 170 00:09:36,270 --> 00:09:38,880 where you set people up value for value, help them with a 171 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,570 wallet, get everything all set up, help them with their pitch, 172 00:09:42,570 --> 00:09:45,960 help them with the feedback loop help them understand booster 173 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:51,630 grams and charge nothing to maybe a minor fee up front, just 174 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:59,160 you know, whatever. Take 35% of the split of the value block in 175 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,880 perpetuity. If you can, or you know what, whatever you're, you 176 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,900 know, oh, we'll do a five year contract, whatever you want it 177 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:10,290 to be whatever you want it to be. And I don't think Rob is 178 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:12,870 that is all that I mean, he understands of course value for 179 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:15,810 value. I don't think he's really looked into it that deeply. He 180 00:10:15,810 --> 00:10:19,200 doesn't have a wallet, for instance. So I heard Todd was 181 00:10:19,530 --> 00:10:23,760 going to get him set up. This is an annuity that you will not 182 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,020 regret. I'm telling you, you will not regret doing this no 183 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:31,260 matter what else you do. And some of these levels are pretty 184 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:37,860 pricey. But you could you could do a hybrid model, do this. This 185 00:10:37,860 --> 00:10:43,530 will. This is long term wealth building for Rob Greenlee. And I 186 00:10:43,530 --> 00:10:49,080 have your first client, and it's a doozy and it's going to blow 187 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:55,530 you away. What an opportunity. This is. The Obamas No, no. So 188 00:10:55,530 --> 00:11:00,630 I'm listening to P WR. Power FM. I was listening to pod news 189 00:11:00,630 --> 00:11:06,540 weekly review. And Sam Sethi is not on the show. He's off skiing 190 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:10,680 and kids pool, probably with Roy from breeze. I don't know these 191 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,530 guys, you know, Kevin just gets booed in Switzerland. I'm 192 00:11:13,530 --> 00:11:19,170 Unknown: going to be doing a deal of some sorts. 193 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:27,780 Adam Curry: So James has a has a guest host, Courtney Kocak 194 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Kocak, I think is her name. Now Courtney Kocak, who had not 195 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,970 heard of before. She's no slouch. She's let me say I got 196 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:41,760 her website here. She's based in Los Angeles. She's comedian 197 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:48,000 she's written for. I think Washington Post's variety in Los 198 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,510 Angeles Times Cosmo. Yeah, she's, she's got something going 199 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:54,810 on. 200 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,470 Dave Jones: She made a hooker joke, which instantly was I was 201 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:00,540 I was a fan of her. So this is great. Yeah, 202 00:12:00,780 --> 00:12:02,850 Adam Curry: exactly. So you heard the you heard the show? 203 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:03,750 Fantastic. 204 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,010 Dave Jones: I'm a little bit into it. 205 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,350 Adam Curry: So I'll I'll just put, you know, she was talking 206 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:09,720 about social because a certain point James very correctly 207 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,720 starts to interview her about herself. And she makes this 208 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,230 joke. And I'm listening in bed with, you know, with one ear, 209 00:12:16,260 --> 00:12:18,960 because you know, Tina was already asleep. She saw on logs. 210 00:12:19,170 --> 00:12:21,210 I'm like, I'm just kind of listening, see if I'm gonna fall 211 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:23,460 asleep or not. It's something that that I don't typically do. 212 00:12:23,460 --> 00:12:26,490 But the show came out later than normal for me. So I still wanted 213 00:12:26,490 --> 00:12:28,620 to hear to know what's going on in podcasting that we can 214 00:12:28,620 --> 00:12:30,090 review, which is what the show does. 215 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,580 Dave Jones: It does surprise me that you were listening in bed. 216 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:33,900 I didn't think that was your style. 217 00:12:33,929 --> 00:12:36,809 Adam Curry: It's not my style at all. So all of these have wine. 218 00:12:38,219 --> 00:12:42,539 No, no, no, nothing. No, this is this is the Lord's work, ma'am. 219 00:12:42,539 --> 00:12:44,999 Because otherwise I would not have known this. I'm telling 220 00:12:44,999 --> 00:12:49,349 you, and this is going to benefit. Going to benefit. 221 00:12:49,649 --> 00:12:53,309 Courtney, it's going to benefit. Rob Greenlee is going to benefit 222 00:12:53,429 --> 00:12:57,149 podcasting to point out. So this is I'm just listening, then 223 00:12:57,149 --> 00:13:01,079 she's they're talking about her social justice work or 224 00:13:01,079 --> 00:13:04,739 something. And I wasn't quite sure, but this was 22 seconds, 225 00:13:04,739 --> 00:13:07,709 just short. And this got my attention like, Oh, this is an 226 00:13:07,709 --> 00:13:09,479 interesting person. I do like social 227 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,300 Unknown: justice inequality. But I would I have to say, you know 228 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:17,280 why I think they added that line is because I on Twitter offered 229 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,420 to DM people, topless photos of me if they would donate to Black 230 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:22,500 Lives Matters. 231 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:27,090 I really don't think that is the kind of social justice figure 232 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:28,170 that they're thinking. 233 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:37,050 Adam Curry: Wow. Wowzers Wowzers because of course we all 234 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:40,170 visualize this immediately. So I'm like you have my attention. 235 00:13:40,170 --> 00:13:45,030 Courtney, what else you got? So James, listen, accomplished. 236 00:13:46,020 --> 00:13:50,160 Good show. So James, now that we're talking about chat GPT and 237 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,280 how incorrect it is. So James is now going to talk about her 238 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,420 podcast, which is titled Private Parts Unknown. And for whatever 239 00:13:57,420 --> 00:14:00,840 reason, it's a British thing. I don't know. It's an Australian 240 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,750 thing. You can't really describe it because it's not what's ever 241 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:07,890 bad. Yeah, this is your this is your Smarty podcast smoky, smoky 242 00:14:07,890 --> 00:14:12,420 podcast. Yes. It's a podcast that I seem to remember I had to 243 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:15,990 write about in pod news. But obviously I'd like everybody 244 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:19,830 that works in boring corporate environments to get the 245 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:22,800 newsletter and so therefore, we couldn't actually write anything 246 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,400 about what the podcast was about. Which is very strange. 247 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:28,680 But there we are. This is all right. Well, what's that? What's 248 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,880 that podcast about private 249 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,610 Unknown: person known in love and sexuality around the world? 250 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:33,120 Hello, 251 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,790 Adam Curry: hello. You have my attention all the way. No, no, 252 00:14:35,790 --> 00:14:38,820 like, Okay, this is interesting. And ask 253 00:14:38,820 --> 00:14:41,040 Dave Jones: you soup says two words chapter art. 254 00:14:41,429 --> 00:14:45,209 Adam Curry: She's actually she's actually part of a network and I 255 00:14:45,209 --> 00:14:48,179 just picked the first 25 sec is not even her show. It's the 256 00:14:48,179 --> 00:14:51,839 first 25 seconds of her podcast, where she's promoting another 257 00:14:51,839 --> 00:14:55,649 podcast on the network, but you get the whole idea in 25 258 00:14:55,649 --> 00:14:56,129 seconds. 259 00:14:56,549 --> 00:15:00,599 Unknown: Hello, privates before we get into today's Episode I 260 00:15:00,599 --> 00:15:04,619 want to turn you on to a very horny podcast from the pleasure 261 00:15:04,619 --> 00:15:09,719 Podcast Network. It is the horny housewife baby and Jordan is the 262 00:15:09,719 --> 00:15:13,949 host. She's talking about all things sex and marriage, which, 263 00:15:14,309 --> 00:15:16,919 you know, I'm in a long term relationship. I know what's up. 264 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,519 So check out the horny housewife. 265 00:15:20,910 --> 00:15:26,220 Adam Curry: Boom, boom shot. Now, now comes the outcomes the 266 00:15:26,220 --> 00:15:29,970 kicker, the beauty beauty beauty part of what's going on this 267 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:36,660 podcast out of the blue. She says this well 268 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:41,310 Unknown: can you explain to me James because I have been 269 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:44,730 obviously we're in the tech segment right now and I've been 270 00:15:44,730 --> 00:15:48,870 listening to your show a lot today in preparation for this. 271 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:55,260 And I am like, really excited about V to V Yeah, from karate. 272 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:59,730 You know, Xeni Tell me about it and and I'm not a techie like am 273 00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:03,210 I going to know how to set this up? And is it worth it? If I 274 00:16:03,210 --> 00:16:05,820 don't have a bunch of people trying to give me stats all this 275 00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:09,060 will they want to give me stats or not? I don't know. 276 00:16:09,959 --> 00:16:10,799 Dave Jones: They're gonna want to give you 277 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:16,140 Unknown: well I mean, I think I think it's going to boost 278 00:16:17,549 --> 00:16:22,679 Adam Curry: so James falls down on the job. Oh, this as he goes 279 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:25,499 to boost to Graham corner and then he does this whole thing 280 00:16:25,499 --> 00:16:32,639 like that and like No, no, no, no, this this podcaster court 281 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:38,699 Ms. Kocak is primed and ready to do full on value for value lit 282 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:44,819 go live. This would blow V for V podcasting. 2.0 out of the 283 00:16:44,849 --> 00:16:50,609 water. Rob Greenlee your mission is clear. Should you choose to 284 00:16:50,609 --> 00:16:55,829 accept it get in contact with her man set her up have Todd 285 00:16:55,889 --> 00:17:01,979 fixed the get the live streaming setup? This is the this is your 286 00:17:03,629 --> 00:17:06,809 this is the moment this isn't I mean it's up as we 287 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:11,670 Dave Jones: if you think booster grim sounds and the booster gram 288 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:15,360 segment is good on a regular show. Are you kidding me? 289 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:18,750 Booster gram on on horny housewives. I mean, give me a 290 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:19,080 break. 291 00:17:19,349 --> 00:17:21,959 Adam Curry: Well, that's the private parts are known as her 292 00:17:21,959 --> 00:17:26,249 podcast. Okay, but either one. The whole network could benefit 293 00:17:26,429 --> 00:17:32,429 this is my fans live streaming live the my fans wit only fans 294 00:17:32,429 --> 00:17:38,429 live whatever doesn't matter. If this is a look, I'm too old for 295 00:17:38,429 --> 00:17:41,789 this. I don't go running after talent anymore. I just don't 296 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,539 have I did it all my life running after talent for 297 00:17:45,539 --> 00:17:49,169 interviews running for networks, all this stuff. I'm not going to 298 00:17:49,169 --> 00:17:53,219 do it. But I'm I would like to point out this is a massive 299 00:17:53,249 --> 00:17:54,149 opportunity. 300 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,810 Dave Jones: As well as I don't normally send booster grants dot 301 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:07,080 dot A longtime listener first time booster. Yeah, this is just 302 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:10,650 Adam Curry: empty now. And as the interview progressed, she 303 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:15,480 even intuitively understood the numerology. She's like, Oh, 304 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,930 that's cool. You know, rove ducks. 2222. I mean, wait until 305 00:18:18,930 --> 00:18:24,270 she finds out you know, the 808 and the 6969 Oh, yeah, this is 306 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:29,220 she it's ready. So somebody please I want it to be Rob 307 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:32,190 Greenlee because this would this would give him a lot. This will 308 00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:38,190 give you job security. My friend. Set this podcaster up. 309 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Dave Jones: This is a fantastic idea. This is you giving this is 310 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,170 you giving away free money. Free money. Yes. Free money. Yes. 311 00:18:47,070 --> 00:18:52,110 Adam Curry: I mean, the old Adam. Before I was saved by 312 00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:57,480 Jesus Christ would have immediately gone after this. 313 00:18:58,350 --> 00:19:01,680 Yeah, like this is great. And you know, the index would have 314 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:07,650 done it and you know, but I I want to spread this love. I want 315 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,790 other people to win with this one. It's it's it's prime. It's 316 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:16,560 prime. Even Roy Roy would probably want to do this. He's 317 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,990 been talking about that for a long time. He's been wanting to 318 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:20,820 do only fans on breeze forever. 319 00:19:21,689 --> 00:19:25,589 Dave Jones: This is a fantastic idea. I'm in full support of 320 00:19:25,589 --> 00:19:26,549 this. Yeah, 321 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:31,080 Adam Curry: I mean, this is what look, actually the podcast. I 322 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,160 did listen, it's you know, it's more about relationships. Sure. 323 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,190 It's not it's not all me it's not really smarty. She even 324 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:41,280 talks about abortions and you know, all kinds of stuff that I 325 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,580 don't know if I'm even interested in. But I can tell 326 00:19:44,580 --> 00:19:47,520 that the vibe is there the vibe that you want. She clearly has 327 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,450 an audience. So let's go especially now that I heard in 328 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:56,250 the same new media show that it appears there's a 30% fill rate 329 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:59,970 on ads. Which is that sad 330 00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:03,330 Dave Jones: That's not just on podcast here. I don't know if 331 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:07,590 you've noticed, but there's YouTube, the ad load has gotten 332 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:11,970 really weird to. Oh, I think it's across the board. And 333 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,380 Adam Curry: interesting. Well, that was another thing that this 334 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:19,980 whole week and you and I are kind of the same was filled with 335 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:25,740 Butoh video, YouTube, YouTube, YouTube video, YouTube. Yeah. If 336 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:31,110 I can just set you up. I have been through this cycle. I went 337 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:33,480 through the cycle of trying to make a network work, it doesn't 338 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,770 work, you can't monetize the network. And then and we had VC 339 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:41,010 money. We had millions of dollars to do this with Oh, 340 00:20:41,010 --> 00:20:43,770 YouTube is what it's as where it's out. Oh, yeah, YouTube, 341 00:20:43,980 --> 00:20:49,410 let's do video. And we could have not made a worse choice. 342 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:53,820 It's, it's, it's not where podcasting belong. You had a 343 00:20:54,030 --> 00:20:58,290 think you had a boost into new media show about it. You said 344 00:20:58,290 --> 00:21:00,720 something interesting. I can't remember exactly what it was. It 345 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,880 was about. Do you remember? 346 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:05,280 Dave Jones: Oh, now I was talking about the conflation of 347 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,730 podcasting. And in YouTube, like everybody always says that 348 00:21:08,730 --> 00:21:12,180 YouTube is the is the biggest podcast platform. You know, the 349 00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:17,340 it's just, that always irritates me, because it's like, no other 350 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:22,290 media gets conflated like that. Because you would not say that 351 00:21:22,290 --> 00:21:28,650 because? Well, who is that? Who is the guy that he's the radio 352 00:21:28,650 --> 00:21:32,520 guy that used to wear the cowboy hat? Oh, Don Imus, Donna. Yeah. 353 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:35,130 Nobody will say that. Because I'm us in the morning was 354 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:41,460 simulcast video on on Dish Network, that DISH Network is 355 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:45,240 the biggest radio market. It's like, it doesn't make any sense. 356 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:48,870 Just because somebody is on there doesn't mean that the meat 357 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:51,780 it's like, it's just a well, how about I consider it a dumb 358 00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:52,230 statement 359 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,100 Adam Curry: isn't enough with your surveys and your data, I 360 00:21:56,100 --> 00:22:00,990 don't care. I just It goes right over my head. You can slice and 361 00:22:00,990 --> 00:22:05,310 dice to stuff any way you want. Podcasting has been around for a 362 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:09,480 long time. It'll be around with us for a long time. All the 363 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,930 benefits are known, the decentralized nature of it is 364 00:22:12,930 --> 00:22:20,820 incredibly beneficial. You know, YouTube is, in fact, it's almost 365 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:24,690 like, let's talk about a bank failure, because that actually 366 00:22:24,690 --> 00:22:28,740 causes a bank failure. I mean, are run on the banks, it's like, 367 00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:33,210 oh, no, it's Everything's bad. Oh, that that's how runtime but 368 00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:35,880 Jason Calacanis looking at you all caps? 369 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:39,000 Dave Jones: Well, that's, you know, so I don't know if you saw 370 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:45,900 that. KPMG, you know, because I'm in the accounting world KPMG 371 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:49,710 came as, see these things. KPMG came out and said, you know, we 372 00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:54,660 stand behind our assessment of our audit of Silicon Valley Bank 373 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:58,740 and Signature Bank, they audited both of them. And they, and they 374 00:22:58,740 --> 00:23:02,040 signed off on the audits like, like within them within like two 375 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,050 or three weeks of the of them both. Okay, mountains, like I 376 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:10,710 know, when we stand behind our numbers, well, the discussion 377 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:13,980 was about whether or not there's this certain thing that you can 378 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:19,410 tag them with, in an in a financial audit, you can say, in 379 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:23,700 there, there's two things there's one of them is, is a 380 00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:29,760 going concern. Notice more, right, right, which is like, 381 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,520 hey, this thing's really shaky. And another one is like, 382 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:38,400 disputed something anyways, it's all the terminology. And so the 383 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,670 big the big hit, I guess, KPMG was, well, you know, why didn't 384 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:44,160 they label them as a, you know, with a going concern? Warning? 385 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,100 It's like, well, you can't, this is this is sort of like, you 386 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:52,500 know, this is like the thing that you're observing was the 387 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,350 Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Where is it a good 388 00:23:55,350 --> 00:24:01,410 thing, I think, if I'm not mistaken, that's like, you 389 00:24:01,410 --> 00:24:05,130 affect you affect the thing you're observing simply by 390 00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:09,930 observing it. By the outcome, the outcome under observation is 391 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:14,460 different than the outcome when it's unobserved. So the observer 392 00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:17,070 has an influence on the thing that you're watching. So you 393 00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:21,120 never so you actually can't observe it and get a real and 394 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,900 get a real outcome. So that's the same thing with this. If you 395 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:28,740 put a going concern morning, on Silicon Valley Banks audit, 396 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:33,930 you're going to cause a bank run, like worried they won't 397 00:24:33,930 --> 00:24:36,660 survive a bank run. You can't actually say it out loud, 398 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:38,430 because then they won't survive the bank run. 399 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:42,540 Adam Curry: Exactly. Exactly. Well, so this thing this this, 400 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:45,300 this is what's going on, I think is because people are bored have 401 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:48,690 nothing better to talk about, and also how long you're gonna 402 00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:53,460 be Charlie Brown for Lucy's football. Game Stop, stop. This 403 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:57,000 is the definition of insanity. Every single time Silicon Valley 404 00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:01,500 says jump or the podcast industrial complexes jump, 405 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,720 everyone goes, how high? What do you want me to do all integrate 406 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,290 with you right away? And then they burn everybody. They don't 407 00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:13,950 care? No, you're not here, okay. 408 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:21,150 Dave Jones: But the subtle shift in YouTube Advertising though in 409 00:25:21,150 --> 00:25:25,350 YouTube ad load is it's noticeable. But you're you're 410 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:29,220 starting to get, you'll get the first you'll get the first ad 411 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:33,630 break in, it'll be loaded up with a couple of the short runs. 412 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,250 And then what would typically be a video with like five or six ad 413 00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:43,470 breaks in it. The second run the second slot, you'll get like 414 00:25:43,470 --> 00:25:48,360 one, and then maybe one on the third slot, and then it's just, 415 00:25:48,570 --> 00:25:52,440 it's nothing from then on out. Right. And that's new. That's 416 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,070 very it to me, that's very new. Because if you go back four 417 00:25:56,070 --> 00:26:00,060 months ago, you're getting, you're getting ad slots full 418 00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:04,110 every time. So something has definitely changed that I'd 419 00:26:04,110 --> 00:26:07,410 think I've been listening to do you know, Jeffery Snyder, you 420 00:26:07,410 --> 00:26:07,890 know, that guy? 421 00:26:08,699 --> 00:26:11,219 Adam Curry: Should I? I'm not sure should I know Jeffery 422 00:26:11,219 --> 00:26:11,699 Snyder, 423 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:17,340 Dave Jones: he runs a outfit called Eurodollar University. No 424 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:20,220 came up through the if I'm not mistaken, he came up to the 425 00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:24,270 Mises Institute and he's, you know, he's an Austrian. But 426 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:29,040 he's, he's one of those that he's his methodology is to is to 427 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:36,030 monitor the Euro dollar market. Okay. He's got a lot like, which 428 00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:39,390 I think is a genius way to look at things because the Eurodollar 429 00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:44,610 market has probably the biggest influence on the economy, way 430 00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:48,720 bigger than fed rates in anything like that. But here's 431 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,030 the thing that never gets talked about. So he's been saying that 432 00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:58,380 the economy is softening, likening this, he's likening 433 00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:03,000 what's going on right now to the 2007 2008. We're gonna, we're 434 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,810 going to have a 2007 2008 style crisis. It's not going to be 435 00:27:06,810 --> 00:27:11,910 exactly the same, but we're going to have the same Meccan 436 00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:14,130 like the same mechanics or at work. 437 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:17,670 Adam Curry: Oh, especially with Credit Suisse. And now the 438 00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:22,260 derivatives and the swap line our Federal Reserve has with the 439 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:25,980 Swiss Swiss central bank specifically for Credit Suisse. 440 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:28,410 Now this is all integrated and connected. 441 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,310 Dave Jones: Now you brought horny housewives. I brought 442 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:34,350 Janet Yellen. Oh, it's the antidote. 443 00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:39,630 Adam Curry: Yes, but wait before you go there. Okay. Can I just 444 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:40,590 say something about 445 00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:43,410 Dave Jones: the ad market? Oh, please do. 446 00:27:44,460 --> 00:27:49,110 Adam Curry: So two things one, as as already discussed on this 447 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:53,790 show, and others. This came out from the specialist website 448 00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:59,310 search engine land.com. And this came up March 9, Tik Tok enters 449 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:02,730 the search ad market challenging Google and Microsoft, which is 450 00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:08,370 exactly what my sister told us in her thesis. Yikes for her 451 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:16,020 Master's. She said that one in two users of Google and and tick 452 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:20,460 tock go to tick tock first to search for something. So this is 453 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:28,440 a big a big Yikes. Big big Yikes. Second, I got just as one 454 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:34,530 of the many emails I've received. Of course, I'm going 455 00:28:34,530 --> 00:28:38,670 to I manage a global I manage global brand ads on social media 456 00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:41,760 for a large tech manufacturer that is very active on tick tock 457 00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:44,610 I'm also responsible for governance and best best 458 00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:47,880 practices etc. So it's a lot of it's about you know, what may or 459 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,300 may not happen, which is not interested in this context. But 460 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:55,080 he says we've shifted nearly half of our brands social ad 461 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,670 budget to tick tock over the last year Google and E commerce 462 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:04,200 and other ads are also shifting a lot of budget that way. So 463 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,340 well, this is what's going on with the ad market which is 464 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:13,680 already soft, significantly soft, it's being taken away by 465 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,270 one company. And if you think for a second that Google gives a 466 00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:23,310 crap about podcasting on YouTube, dude, they're even 467 00:29:23,310 --> 00:29:27,630 cutting people's benefits who were supposed to have a 468 00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:31,980 maternity benefits there. I mean, this is all hands on deck. 469 00:29:32,190 --> 00:29:33,810 You know DEF CON one. 470 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,370 Dave Jones: Well, they they did you sell 10,000 more layoffs at 471 00:29:38,370 --> 00:29:39,960 Facebook right? Yeah, of course. 472 00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:42,570 Adam Curry: And by the way, three days ago, we don't hear 473 00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:48,000 anything about meta now do we? Right now. And and here's here's 474 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,330 the biggest joke. This AI chat GPT that everybody is throwing 475 00:29:54,330 --> 00:30:01,860 into their into their product is very expensive. They have no way 476 00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:04,020 to offset this cost to do it for free. 477 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:09,300 Dave Jones: Is it still like in GPT? four or three? Is it still 478 00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:13,560 like something like a million dollars a day to run? It? Does? 479 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,720 That's the net? That's the number I saw floating around at 480 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:15,900 once. 481 00:30:16,020 --> 00:30:19,620 Adam Curry: I think it's higher than that. I mean, you're 482 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:25,860 talking $10,000 Nvidia ASICs that have to do this stuff. I 483 00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:29,160 mean, this is not just, you know, throw up a couple of in 484 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:35,280 fact that they run a lot of it is AWS EC two instances, 485 00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:37,110 spinning up or whatever 486 00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:39,720 Dave Jones: it is, these days, those things are not cheap, and 487 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,920 no, no less. 488 00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:43,980 Adam Curry: And, and so they're spinning up all this stuff. And 489 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:47,070 you can see it slowing down to No, no, no, this is very 490 00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:52,770 expensive. They solved the YouTube cost by literally buying 491 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,620 ASICs, I've learned all this from Alex gates, actually, by 492 00:30:55,620 --> 00:31:01,410 buying ASICs that do video encoding specifically. So you 493 00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:04,590 know, now you've got to swap everything out or add to it to 494 00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:08,850 do chat. GPT just because it's everyone else is doing it. 495 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:12,480 Meanwhile, tick tock is eating everybody's lunch, get off with 496 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,770 people stick with podcasting, support your app developers 497 00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:21,090 support podcast, apps.com, keep it going, we've got we've got 498 00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:25,200 momentum, we've got the hip kids doing it, and pretty soon 499 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:32,820 smartcast. So it's well worth Steady as she goes, I would say 500 00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:36,480 Steady as she goes, Don't be jumping left and right. Because 501 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,710 YouTube says something, they're in trouble over there. Let them 502 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:44,730 you know, give let them mess with their own rope. Is my 503 00:31:44,730 --> 00:31:45,270 advice. 504 00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:48,630 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think this the I think this is perfect 505 00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:54,630 advice. Because you get this is the this is the the sort of 506 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:58,770 safety valve of a down advertising market. If you you 507 00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:00,570 know, subscriptions, 508 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,390 Adam Curry: I like that safety valve of the down advertising 509 00:32:03,390 --> 00:32:04,170 market. Nice. 510 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,290 Dave Jones: Yeah, this bridge, this bridge is you through? I 511 00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:09,990 mean, neither me or you would ever say that advertising is bad 512 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:14,730 go away. It's just that you can't, you can't 513 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:16,980 Adam Curry: squeeze blood from a stone. 514 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:21,270 Dave Jones: Yeah, ideologically, it has downsides and certain for 515 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:25,530 certain for certain material. I mean, like ours, for instance, 516 00:32:25,530 --> 00:32:28,980 you can't, we wouldn't be able to say what we wanted to say 517 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:31,800 without without being free from the influence of advertising. 518 00:32:32,130 --> 00:32:35,250 But then, but then there's also that the the other aspect of it, 519 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:38,130 where it goes up and down is civil is cyclical, you're gonna 520 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,470 have up you're gonna, you know, you're gonna have huge drop 521 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:43,470 offs. Well, in order to be able to weather that storm, he really 522 00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:46,470 you really need, some people have done it with subscriptions. 523 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:49,050 As you know, value for value is 524 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,300 Adam Curry: better. Well, here's, here's, here's the one 525 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,420 thing I can promise everybody, if you want to stick it out, 526 00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:59,250 it'll be about a year and a half, maybe a little bit less, 527 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:03,150 because 24 in the US only, by the way, this doesn't work for 528 00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:07,770 any anywhere else in the world. It will be an election year. So 529 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:12,390 $17 billion will flow in, you know, maybe a little less, maybe 530 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:17,880 a little more into mainly local advertising, very specifically 531 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,960 geo located geotargeted. That's where I think Facebook meta 532 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,550 shines. But that's a long haul before that money really starts 533 00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:29,760 to come out and and who knows how much money will we even have 534 00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:32,310 money? I mean, right now, 535 00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:34,980 Dave Jones: we will not a lot of that skill. Not a lot of that is 536 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,030 going into podcasting. 537 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,940 Adam Curry: I don't think so either. Although, you know, 538 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:43,500 maybe hosted ads or whatever. Yeah. But also the cheap money 539 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,960 as we've discussed is over that's that's what the big 540 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,130 problem is here is the interest rates will raise quickly. You 541 00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:54,180 know, free money is over anyway, a big lead in to the antidote 542 00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:57,150 for the for the honey Money, money, honey cast, somebody 543 00:33:57,150 --> 00:34:00,420 cast, what is it called the way they call? I want to get it 544 00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:00,840 right. It's 545 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,200 Dave Jones: the private part, the private, private parts. Not 546 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,400 that something Oh, not private 547 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,780 Adam Curry: parts. It's prime to private and Private Parts 548 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:12,840 Unknown, private person, link in the show notes link in the show. 549 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Okay, so we just got all messed up by private parts unknown. 550 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,430 Here's Janet Yellen. 551 00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:19,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, let me drag you down to the basement, which 552 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:26,040 absolutely no excitement. Yeah, so this is this is Janet Yellen 553 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,810 at the, you know, testifying before Congress. And I just 554 00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:37,110 thought that this was a great clip. Because it shows it's not 555 00:34:37,650 --> 00:34:41,130 so. So the it's not what you would exactly call smoke and 556 00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:47,850 mirrors the US money. The US financial system leadership, 557 00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:52,320 because what they do actually does have an effect. You know, 558 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,020 when they raise rates when they when they tinker with rates up 559 00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:58,590 and down. Oh, yeah, sure. It does have an effect. But the 560 00:34:58,590 --> 00:35:03,000 effect is not what they think it Is In It takes a circuitous 561 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,300 route to actually get back to, in order to have an effect on on 562 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:12,510 the economy. And by the time it made by the time it actually 563 00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:16,380 gets to the level of having an effect, the effect is amplified. 564 00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:18,660 And it usually comes out in ways they don't expect. 565 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:21,300 Adam Curry: Because if I can paraphrase the idea of raising 566 00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:28,170 interest rates is basically to create higher unemployment. 567 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:34,920 That's the metric that I keep hearing the labor market. Well, 568 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,480 that's the end. Well, that's what that's what they're looking 569 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,140 for. Well, we've got too many jobs being created. Now we need 570 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:44,880 to have unemployment needs to be four or 5%. So they literally 571 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,840 want to destroy your job, which in an odd way is kind of 572 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,110 happening. If you look at Silicon Valley. It's not enough, 573 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:53,220 but they would 574 00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:56,010 Dave Jones: call it they're trying to affect a cooling of 575 00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:56,100 the 576 00:35:56,820 --> 00:36:00,450 Adam Curry: Yes, cool. Screw you slave. means We don't get to 577 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:04,560 work. It's cooling. We just want to cool the economy's too hot 578 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,410 right now. Who wants to be too hot? Okay, so 579 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:09,870 Dave Jones: what we what we learned from you know, what I've 580 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:12,510 learned from another thing I've learned from from the book, 581 00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:16,650 which led me to, to Jeffrey Schneider, back to him and yeah, 582 00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:20,010 researching his material is about the Euro dollar market. 583 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:27,450 Yeah, Okay, gotcha. The so the Euro dollar, is, the Euro dollar 584 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,600 represents, in loose terms, all the dollars around all the US 585 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,040 dollars around the world, that are not counted in the money 586 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:44,250 supply, in the M one money supply within the US. So if 587 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:46,110 we're trying to target if we're trying to measure the money 588 00:36:46,110 --> 00:36:49,200 supply, Target, there are certain things about the money 589 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,190 supply, in order to affect interest, this Eurodollar market 590 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:57,780 represents effectively a giant leak in the bottom of the ship. 591 00:36:58,350 --> 00:37:03,930 Money is flowing in and out through this hole in the Feds 592 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:08,670 control to international markets in ways that they really cannot 593 00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:10,770 control. So that's basically, 594 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,800 Adam Curry: if I'm not mistaken, can Euro banks, they can 595 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,330 actually create dollars, right? 596 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:20,040 Dave Jones: Yeah, well, American banks operating in international 597 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,880 markets can also participate in in dollar creation, 598 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:26,250 Adam Curry: literally, literally counterfeiting, they're just 599 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,360 making money 600 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,170 Dave Jones: in the biggest Euro dollar trading markets are in 601 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:35,310 New York. So you can trade the Euro dollar market in the US, 602 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,540 and the Fed has no control of it over it. And it also does not 603 00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:44,010 show up in any of our any of the money supply statistics. So the 604 00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:47,130 fact that they you know, when you look at it that way, the 605 00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:50,700 tweaking up and down slight tweaks up and down of life, half 606 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:55,500 of basis via half a percent on the federal funds rate, that 607 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,370 really has no direct impact on on hardly anything except local 608 00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:03,120 local banks, some some mortgages, some short term 609 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:03,690 stuff, and all 610 00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:06,210 Adam Curry: mortgage, they're really big have a big effect on 611 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:08,850 mortgages and car loans and stuff like that. 612 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:13,530 Dave Jones: Well, then over over time, so it's it's it tends to 613 00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:17,910 affect the middle, sort of like the middle class of the banking 614 00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:20,580 system, which is mostly local. They don't have the 615 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,890 international presence like Morgan and 616 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,230 Adam Curry: regional banks, which I guess they would like to 617 00:38:25,230 --> 00:38:27,240 get rid of, because they're doing a good job. 618 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:32,040 Dave Jones: Well, let's listen to the new the queen of 619 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,240 excitement. Janet Yellen. 620 00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:36,120 Adam Curry: Will the deposits and every voice has gotten 621 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,320 really low? It is she's on hormones. This is a senator or 622 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,520 congressman who is 623 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:43,770 Dave Jones: this is a I don't know if it's senator or 624 00:38:43,770 --> 00:38:46,770 congressman for it, but he's representing Oklahoma 625 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Unknown: will the deposits and every community bank in Oklahoma 626 00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:54,840 regardless of their size, big, fully insured now? Are they 627 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,900 fully recovered? Every bank, every community bank in 628 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,680 Oklahoma, regardless of the size of the deposit? Will they get 629 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,510 the same treatment that SVB just got or Signature Bank just got? 630 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,790 Adam Curry: This is an interesting question. Because 631 00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:12,480 and, and I'm glad you're in here, because you've studied 632 00:39:12,510 --> 00:39:16,020 you're studying it a little deeper than I am these days. So 633 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:21,120 from what I understand, they magically I think they they 634 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,960 created like 300 $297 billion or something. And this is the 635 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,210 backstop above and beyond the $250,000 per depositor FDIC 636 00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:31,110 insurance. 637 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:33,540 Dave Jones: Yeah, this is the wish 638 00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:35,370 Adam Curry: we might have partnered before I called not a 639 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:36,930 bailout. Okay. 640 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,910 Dave Jones: Well, I mean, take 641 00:39:42,779 --> 00:39:45,809 Adam Curry: technically it's not a bailout but we created money 642 00:39:45,809 --> 00:39:47,099 to do it so 643 00:39:47,759 --> 00:39:52,079 Dave Jones: yeah, like that. They supposedly the other banks 644 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,959 bailing out this bank essentially is what it is and 645 00:39:54,989 --> 00:39:58,349 but they did they do that but what this guy calls a special a, 646 00:39:58,349 --> 00:40:02,399 quote, special assessment group. Oh, yeah, so you get you get a 647 00:40:02,399 --> 00:40:06,719 spit, the FDIC makes a special assessment on all of the all of 648 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,069 the banks in the banking system as supposedly in order to bail 649 00:40:11,069 --> 00:40:15,059 out SVB. And so he makes a good point about that, actually, 650 00:40:15,089 --> 00:40:15,509 okay. 651 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,940 Unknown: A bank only gets that treatment. If a majority of the 652 00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:27,030 FDIC board a supermajority is super majority of the Fed board, 653 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:33,180 and I, in consultation with the President, determine that the 654 00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:39,510 failure to protect uninsured depositors would create systemic 655 00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:42,060 risk, and wow. 656 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:44,340 Adam Curry: Wow. 657 00:40:44,549 --> 00:40:47,969 Dave Jones: So she, so it's a super majority of the Fed board? 658 00:40:47,999 --> 00:40:51,899 Yeah, majority of the FDIC board her and her 659 00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:55,050 Adam Curry: income concentration with the brain dead guy in the 660 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:56,190 white house. Okay. 661 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,910 Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so she plays Bob reticle role 662 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:04,080 clearly plays a critical role in this decision making process. So 663 00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:08,130 so obviously, she she would understand fully all the answers 664 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:09,330 to the questions 665 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,120 Adam Curry: while seeing a she's the queen pin instead of the 666 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,200 king pin. Had she had she had all pivots or is she? Any one of 667 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,660 those elements? could say no, and I guess it doesn't happen. 668 00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:22,500 So it has to be past she has to be today? Yes. I'm going to do 669 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:23,550 that with the President. 670 00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:28,320 Dave Jones: Okay, in any in any any bad, if any bad effects any 671 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,640 possible bad effects, you would think Jen is she's gonna have 672 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,930 thought this through right. 673 00:41:34,799 --> 00:41:38,909 Adam Curry: I have to add to this, that my friend, the former 674 00:41:38,909 --> 00:41:42,269 New York banker, who I have gone to for financial information 675 00:41:42,269 --> 00:41:49,409 about the markets for 14 now 12 years, probably. He is very 676 00:41:49,409 --> 00:41:53,849 enamored by Janet Yellen. He thinks she really Yes. She 677 00:41:53,849 --> 00:41:59,399 thinks she's a great economist. And, and really, really a great 678 00:41:59,399 --> 00:42:03,809 person, both when she ran the Fed and as Secretary of the 679 00:42:03,809 --> 00:42:04,409 Treasury. 680 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:07,620 Dave Jones: What my favorite thing about Janet Yellen is how 681 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:12,360 as the banking system is melting down, she's she's overseas 682 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,060 somewhere giving a speech about climate change. I would actually 683 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:16,410 like her to be at home, actually. 684 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:19,950 Adam Curry: She was in Africa first. And then she went to 685 00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:25,770 Ukraine hung out was the Lensky. And oh, yeah. Okay. Your job 686 00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:30,690 Unknown: would create systemic risk and significant economic 687 00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:34,290 and financial consequences. So what is your plan that 688 00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:35,970 determination? Right, 689 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,670 so what is your plan to keep large depositors from moving 690 00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:45,960 their funds out of community banks, into the big banks, we 691 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,550 have seen the mergers of banks over the past decade. I'm 692 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:53,400 concerned, you're about to accelerate that by encouraging 693 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,130 anyone who has a large deposit into community bank to say, 694 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,400 we're not going to make you whole. But if you go to one of 695 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,030 our preferred banks, we will make you whole at that point. 696 00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:07,050 Adam Curry: Well, this seems right. This is happening. Of 697 00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:10,950 course, it seems very logical. In fact, we even had the 698 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:16,050 conversation here at home, we have most of our dollar money in 699 00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:20,520 Guadeloupe Bank, which is a small bank, a community bank, 700 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,130 which hat does have backing from the tip the bankers bank, I 701 00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:28,800 think it's you know, it's private. It's not a it's not 702 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:34,800 public. And also no agenda show has mechanics Bank, which is 115 703 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,090 years old, got an email from the CEO says why we don't invest in 704 00:43:39,090 --> 00:43:42,420 mortgage backed securities or Silicon Valley. That bullcrap. 705 00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:46,050 Okay. So but you know, it's a conversation we had is our money 706 00:43:46,050 --> 00:43:47,910 safe there. So yeah. 707 00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:52,680 Dave Jones: If you've got more than 250,000, if you're a quote, 708 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,630 large depositor at a smaller regional bank, yeah. Then you 709 00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:01,680 this is a question you must ask yourself, this is a big, this is 710 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,900 a business question, 711 00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:06,450 Adam Curry: or family surviving 712 00:44:07,259 --> 00:44:10,229 Dave Jones: Estate question. This is a critical question that 713 00:44:10,229 --> 00:44:14,849 you must ask when you see that a large large banks are getting 714 00:44:14,849 --> 00:44:18,449 bailed out and made whole, but you may not you must ask 715 00:44:18,449 --> 00:44:21,569 yourself this question. This is not this is not theoretical. 716 00:44:21,809 --> 00:44:22,259 Yes. 717 00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:26,309 Adam Curry: Although I'm sure that the safest bank for anyone 718 00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:29,909 is going to be HSBC because they are the most corrupt mofos in 719 00:44:29,909 --> 00:44:33,479 the world. So that's where you want to put your money but I 720 00:44:33,479 --> 00:44:34,739 can't live with myself. Okay. 721 00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:38,850 Dave Jones: So this this this clip is his question and her 722 00:44:38,850 --> 00:44:40,620 responses is unedited. 723 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,430 Unknown: Look, I mean, we're that's certainly not something 724 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:52,230 that we're encouraging that is happening right now. That is 725 00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:57,480 happening because depositors are concerned about the bank 726 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,470 failures that have happened and whether and not other banks 727 00:45:01,470 --> 00:45:05,640 could also, it's happening because you've fully insured no 728 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,060 matter what the amount is, if you're in a big bank, you're not 729 00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:12,690 fully insured. If you're in a community bank, well, you're not 730 00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:13,860 fully insured. 731 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,149 Adam Curry: What was she just repeating what he's saying? Or 732 00:45:18,149 --> 00:45:18,359 she 733 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,760 Dave Jones: has, she has no idea what to say. That's why she just 734 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,640 keeps repeating what he said. I mean, there's like a, there's 735 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,220 like a four second pause. When he asked her that question she 736 00:45:26,220 --> 00:45:29,880 has no had, she has not she's, it's clear, she has not even 737 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:30,600 thought of this. 738 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:32,820 Unknown: I'm gonna go back a couple seconds, you're not fully 739 00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:36,120 insured. If you're in a community bank? Well, you're not 740 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,340 fully insured. And you were in signature and it was just barely 741 00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:43,290 met that threshold, you weren't signature? 742 00:45:44,129 --> 00:45:49,769 Well, we felt that there was a serious risk, make it make an 743 00:45:49,769 --> 00:45:53,879 objection to it could have brought down and triggered runs 744 00:45:54,089 --> 00:45:59,999 on many banks. And that's something given that our 745 00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:05,399 judgment is that the banking system overall, is safe and 746 00:46:05,399 --> 00:46:05,909 sound. 747 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,260 Adam Curry: But, but it wasn't, but it is, but it kind of what 748 00:46:10,350 --> 00:46:13,050 it's almost like explain value for value to me. 749 00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:18,810 Unknown: They should have confidence in the system. And we 750 00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:21,720 took these actions. So there's a special assessment that's been 751 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:24,630 done on community banks in my state and all banks across the 752 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:27,240 country. Was there any discussion that that special 753 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,780 assessment would only apply to the larger banks? Or was it 754 00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:33,660 always assumed a special assessment would cover every 755 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,670 bank, including rural banks in my state? 756 00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:40,410 Adam Curry: I think I am not certain what the rules are 757 00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:45,810 around that. That was what she meant determines the future of 758 00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:48,630 banks and people's money. But she's not certain of the rules 759 00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:50,730 around how that assessment is done. 760 00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:54,720 Dave Jones: Yes, I love this clip, because it totally exposes 761 00:46:55,170 --> 00:47:01,980 the the complete fraud. That is our our financial system 762 00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:06,810 leadership, as if, like that, there's this there's this idea 763 00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:09,210 that, Oh, they must know something we don't 764 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,810 Adam Curry: know what it is. I need to know who this guy is. 765 00:47:12,810 --> 00:47:13,590 Who is this guy? 766 00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:17,370 Dave Jones: Representative from Oklahoma representative or 767 00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:17,910 senator? 768 00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:22,440 Adam Curry: Let's see. I'm going to tell you I know this voice. 769 00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:27,960 I'm going to say it's not that guy is a Tom Cole. Maybe no, no, 770 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:28,740 no, no. 771 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,820 Dave Jones: He's Oklahoma. Lankford. James Lankford is your 772 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:34,950 senator. He is a 773 00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:38,880 Unknown: blank. Oh, there he is. Okay, James Lankford. All right. 774 00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:42,060 Onward, would cover every bank, including rural banks in my 775 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:42,480 state. 776 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,030 I think I am not certain what the rules are around that. 777 00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:56,850 For the FDIC to determine it has been reported publicly, that SVB 778 00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:59,970 had a large number of Chinese investors that are there, 779 00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:02,460 including some that were companies directly connect to 780 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:07,500 the Chinese Communist Party. Will those individuals or those 781 00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:11,790 individuals, companies, entities and investors that are Chinese 782 00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:17,010 investors be made whole based on assessments in my banks in 783 00:48:17,010 --> 00:48:21,660 Oklahoma? So what I'm asking is, will my banks in Oklahoma pay a 784 00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:25,350 special assessment to be able to make Chinese investors pulled 785 00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:28,410 from Silicon Valley Bank? Okay, let me understand. So 786 00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:33,000 Adam Curry: if I understand. So in order to qualify for a 787 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,970 complete bailout of your depositors, you have to pay an 788 00:48:35,970 --> 00:48:39,600 extra fee. This is cuz now I'm so confused with the special, 789 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,690 Dave Jones: the special assessment was assessed by the 790 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:47,070 FDIC on all the bank all the bank men on all Member FDIC 791 00:48:47,070 --> 00:48:52,710 banks in order to stabilize any, any iffy banks through this 792 00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:56,520 special program, the BNP or whatever. And so the special 793 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,260 assessment is basically just a fee. So he's saying that, you 794 00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:04,350 know, Oklahoma, my bank, my small banks in Oklahoma are 795 00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:08,310 going to be paying more money to the Fed yesterday allowed 796 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:11,280 Adam Curry: silicon, Silicon Valley Bank, Chinese investors, 797 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:11,790 investors, 798 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,360 Dave Jones: basically, bailout non American investors? Yes. 799 00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:18,210 Adam Curry: Well, no. I mean, he also specifically brings out 800 00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:21,360 China for political reasons, which is cool. Yeah, obviously, 801 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,820 because we got to keep it political in America, in 802 00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:24,630 Oklahoma. So 803 00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:28,500 Unknown: what I'm asking is, will my banks in Oklahoma pay a 804 00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,310 special assessment to be able to make Chinese investors whole 805 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:36,540 from Silicon Valley Bank, uninsured investors will be made 806 00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:41,070 whole in that bank, and I suppose that could include 807 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,900 foreign and foreign depositors, but I don't believe there's any 808 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:49,650 legal basis to discriminate among uninsured 809 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,790 I get it but I'm just saying my community banks are gonna pay 810 00:49:53,790 --> 00:49:55,860 this additional fee. It is always fascinating to me as 811 00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:59,190 well, that conversation that taxpayers are being made whole 812 00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:01,770 in this a taxpayer are not going to have any kind of consequence 813 00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:04,890 on this. I'm sure my bankers are gonna be very excited to know 814 00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:09,000 they no longer pay taxes. And their banks no longer pay taxes, 815 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,480 credit unions don't pay taxes banks do. And so they're 816 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,530 definitely tax payers as well. And all banks make their revenue 817 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,060 of rates and fees and such to their account holders, which 818 00:50:21,060 --> 00:50:25,230 means every Oklahoman will pay higher fees, and they're just 819 00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:26,340 gonna have we have gone. 820 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,220 Adam Curry: Hey, can we move on here? I mean, this is you're 821 00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:33,990 badgering the witness. Who 822 00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:37,080 Dave Jones: was that? at that? Oh, no, that's the whoever the 823 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,290 ranking member is trying to move him on. But that's but there's 824 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,270 that there's your bailout. Right there. Of course, the banks are 825 00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:50,220 taxpayers. And they in in just like just the flow, he said, all 826 00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:54,450 the all his all of the Oklahoma residents will be paying higher 827 00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:57,600 taxes or higher fees at the bank that will be getting less 828 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,880 banking services for more money in order to bail out the banks 829 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,440 that were that were unable to continue. There's your bailout. 830 00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:11,940 It's not it's not a direct bailout like tarp, but it is 831 00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:16,590 absolutely a bailout at taxpayer expense. Unbelievable. And she 832 00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:19,290 has no idea how to answer the question. She doesn't even know 833 00:51:19,290 --> 00:51:22,680 half of the half, you know, it's just it's just in such a catch 834 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,120 Unknown: last 19 seconds here of rates and fees and such to their 835 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,450 account holders, which means every Oklahoman will pay higher 836 00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:33,780 fees, and they're just gonna have we have on lapse 837 00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:40,860 banking system, and its economic consequences that will have very 838 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:45,390 severe effects on banks in Oklahoma and it will also be 839 00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:46,830 threatened. I'm just worried about 840 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,090 Adam Curry: long term we are gonna have to move on. We're not 841 00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:54,480 going to get all senators in Senator Cortes master who who 842 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,990 was that who was the one that that's the Senate Finance 843 00:51:57,990 --> 00:52:02,730 Committee on Senate Finance Committee, I want to know 844 00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:07,650 because it sounds familiar. Sounds familiar. Let me see. 845 00:52:08,670 --> 00:52:12,570 MIDI chair, by the way, the Oh, Ron Wyden. Yeah, of course. 846 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:13,620 Dave Jones: Yes. Of course. 847 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,940 Adam Curry: The House of Representatives, you know, that 848 00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:22,020 financial oversight board is overseen by the very, very 849 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:24,720 competent, Maxine Waters. 850 00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:28,800 Dave Jones: Yes. No, no, no dicey background there with the 851 00:52:28,830 --> 00:52:33,570 FTX. And everything else. Yeah. We're way off the rails of 852 00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:37,770 podcasting here. But I don't think so. I think this all goes 853 00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:41,910 into rational decision making about the future about the next, 854 00:52:42,090 --> 00:52:47,250 let's just let's just say, two to three years of, of add 855 00:52:47,250 --> 00:52:52,800 markets, general economic planning, I think we just need 856 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,820 to be a little realistic about where we're at. And that is that 857 00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:58,080 the people in charge have no idea. 858 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:02,130 Adam Curry: No one steering the ship. But yeah, and honestly, I 859 00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:06,210 don't think anyone has really knows it's all Bull. I don't 860 00:53:06,210 --> 00:53:09,450 think that anyone really knows how, how it all really works. I 861 00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:15,780 mean, I err, err, more on the side of Austrian economics. But 862 00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:18,960 this clearly, this is this is exact, I think this is exactly 863 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,090 what it's supposed to be every single time we go through this 864 00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:24,690 cycle. It's, you know, seven to 12 years or whatever. And you 865 00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:27,480 There we go again, except this time, they kind of caught with 866 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,900 their pants down, because we had this long period of really 867 00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,360 kicking the can down the road with the low interest rates and 868 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,270 covering everything up and now it's just coming back. And 869 00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,130 there's gonna be winners and losers. 870 00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:42,510 Dave Jones: And I was listening to some old lectures from Paul 871 00:53:42,510 --> 00:53:43,050 Volcker. 872 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,930 Adam Curry: Yeah, he was the 873 00:53:47,370 --> 00:53:49,800 Dave Jones: chairman from the 70s. Yeah, yeah. When 874 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,640 Adam Curry: when we had 20 20% interest rates? Yep. And so 875 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,670 Dave Jones: I was listening to some old lectures of his not 876 00:53:56,670 --> 00:54:01,080 super old, like, from early 2000s. And, you know, I mean, 877 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,780 I'm not me, I'm not gonna say he's a genius. You know, he's 878 00:54:03,810 --> 00:54:07,020 like, this second coming or anything, but I mean, he's but 879 00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:09,810 but he's honest. And he's just sort of out of things now, so he 880 00:54:09,810 --> 00:54:16,230 can be a little more honest. He mentioned that. So these credit 881 00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:20,040 default swaps and derivatives. It's basically insurance on a 882 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,500 trade. It's a way to hedge against a bad trade. And so it's 883 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:29,700 basically insurance. Did you know that he said that as of 884 00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:35,640 like, three years ago, that there was $700 trillion of 885 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:41,430 credit default swaps? Oh, sure. Insuring only $70,000 Excuse me, 886 00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:46,380 only 70 trillion of assets. Yeah, I'm sure. That's like 887 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:51,270 taking out a $700,000 insurance policy on your $70,000 car. 888 00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:55,230 Yeah, got of course the only something ain't wrong. Yes. All 889 00:54:55,650 --> 00:55:00,000 Adam Curry: it is. I do have a quote from Chairwoman cheer. 890 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,140 person, Maxine Waters from the House of Representatives side. 891 00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:07,830 Unknown: Here we go. My Millennials stay 892 00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:10,770 Dave Jones: in the chamber 893 00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:12,900 Adam Curry: in the chamber no less. 894 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:20,519 Dave Jones: Added added down, do a little swerve off the road 895 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:23,639 here. I added the things that you want it to the charts, the V 896 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:23,999 for V 897 00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:27,179 Adam Curry: O is updated. Oh, no, I saw those of course. Yeah, 898 00:55:27,179 --> 00:55:32,819 of course I saw it you, you added the Hold on a second, I 899 00:55:32,819 --> 00:55:35,309 have it here, you added the transaction count. And you also 900 00:55:35,309 --> 00:55:37,289 have unique senders, which is interesting. 901 00:55:38,310 --> 00:55:41,430 Dave Jones: That unique senders needs an asterisk and a little 902 00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:44,100 thing at the bottom of the page that explains why the Asterix 903 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:53,580 exists. Okay. Because clearly, we can't verify that, you know, 904 00:55:53,580 --> 00:56:03,210 if I have I could I could create a script and mimic your exam? 905 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:06,750 The what looks exactly like an Adam curry boost to have a 906 00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:10,470 record? Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah. So I mean, that 907 00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:14,010 unique cinders is is I mean, that's a that's a fiction, but 908 00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:20,460 it's I mean, it's still I still consider it, the use of them is 909 00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:21,540 fairly useful. 910 00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:24,180 Adam Curry: Well, it's kind of about what I thought, you know, 911 00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:27,570 it looks like currently we have an average of, I don't know, a 912 00:56:27,570 --> 00:56:30,330 million a million shots a day flowing through the system. 913 00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:34,710 Dave Jones: I think the average would be about that. But I think 914 00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:36,660 the median is probably a little higher. Yeah. 915 00:56:36,810 --> 00:56:40,650 Adam Curry: The meeting. Okay, so maybe 1.5 million. 916 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,680 Dave Jones: Yeah, some were saying one and two. It's really 917 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,120 impressions go up. Well, I 918 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,250 Adam Curry: mean, so now of course, I obsess over this 919 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:51,030 stuff. I love seeing it. I really look at the at the seven 920 00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:58,350 day and the 30 day. Because you know you're seeing it actually 921 00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:01,470 will be handy to I mean, I could overlay this with a million 922 00:57:01,470 --> 00:57:03,540 different things. Because there's release schedules, you 923 00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:08,550 know, this is certain days when podcasts come out. The I think 924 00:57:08,580 --> 00:57:12,870 Wednesday we know, pretty sure that Wednesday is probably the 925 00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:19,350 lowest day for for booster grams for activity. Would you say? 926 00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:20,160 That's correct? 927 00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:25,470 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, I would think so. Yeah, that's Yeah. 928 00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,630 Wednesday into Thursday morning. Yeah, 929 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,940 Adam Curry: yeah, that yeah, Wednesday to Thursday morning. 930 00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:33,870 That seems to be pretty low. But man, there's an economy here and 931 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:37,470 there's real money flowing through this. And, and again, I 932 00:57:37,470 --> 00:57:40,650 really liked that. Although I appreciate you putting the 933 00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:46,410 dollar value next to it. Which of course is all over the map. 934 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:49,650 The thing that I see is that people don't care about the 935 00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:51,870 dollar. But I think we talked about this on the last show. I 936 00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:56,640 mean, when I see 12121 stats, SATs from from dread to want 937 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,490 some namespace talk and you got to up the booths there drugs you 938 00:57:59,490 --> 00:58:04,680 want namespace talk a hot next day stock. Oh, goodness. Okay, 939 00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:07,170 well, so then you have Darren Oh 940 00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:11,310 Unknown: Sakala 20. His blades only him Paula 941 00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:16,500 Adam Curry: with one on 1010 with 101,010 SATs. Just blend it 942 00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:22,740 like that. You know 25,000 SATs from Dolby das ad 1888 from 943 00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:25,680 Fletcher. By the way he says hello privates. 944 00:58:26,609 --> 00:58:29,639 Dave Jones: Did he just was that about 30 minutes ago in certain 945 00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,819 houses, because that's a Satoshi slam. That's what that oh, just 946 00:58:32,819 --> 00:58:33,749 Satoshi slam. Yeah, 947 00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:36,420 Adam Curry: we forgot about that. Exactly. We have the 948 00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:40,320 where's the I should have had that. Ready. Hold on. Satoshi 949 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,120 slam. Wait, didn't we have Do we have a jingle for that? Yeah, 950 00:58:45,150 --> 00:58:51,900 Dave Jones: yes. Let your sin it does Toshi is love or whatever. 951 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,550 Adam Curry: Why can I not find this? 952 00:58:55,230 --> 00:58:57,330 Unknown: Oh, no. Oh, 953 00:58:57,810 --> 00:59:01,200 Adam Curry: I don't have it. Jingle overbought i There's a 954 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,600 jingle over. I'm it's not in my search system. I don't know 955 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,560 what's going on. Anyway, the Satoshi slam he says hi privates 956 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,490 in certain alphabet communities. V two v two v means something 957 00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:16,410 entirely different than V four v. I don't even want I don't 958 00:59:16,410 --> 00:59:18,510 even want to know, we're good. We're good. We're good. We're 959 00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:25,680 good. There's chata with 808. So my point is the economy that 960 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:34,620 we're living in. Play on Ambala the kids won't eat for a week 961 00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:41,280 12121 to see what you can do. You see what you can do? I'm 962 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:41,760 just saying 963 00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:44,640 Dave Jones: he's the patron saint of podcasts for No, it's 964 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,870 just sure is you sure 965 00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:50,040 Adam Curry: is. So we're into the numerology of this 966 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:55,530 particular currency that we're using in our own ecosystem. The 967 00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:59,760 dollar amount is, I mean, it's not irrelevant, but it kind of 968 00:59:59,760 --> 00:59:59,970 is 969 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:02,579 Dave Jones: I can take it out, I can take it out the chart. 970 01:00:04,410 --> 01:00:06,000 Adam Curry: I'm not saying it has to be taken out of the 971 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,760 chart. I'm just saying it's beautiful to see that doesn't 972 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,610 matter that would that everyone is, especially when it comes to 973 01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:14,730 booster grams. And boosts everyone is just all on board 974 01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:17,910 with whatever the number the numbers are the cool numbers. 975 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,420 The number says something just like the big RAM says something. 976 01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:25,770 I love that it's beautiful thing. And it's the future. 977 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:32,610 Dave Jones: But the the unique Cinder thing is, is interesting 978 01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:35,640 too, because you like if you think about it like this? Yes, 979 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:41,100 it's not. You could you could gain that. Oh, yeah, change it, 980 01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:42,210 but you would have to pay to 981 01:00:42,210 --> 01:00:45,240 Adam Curry: do. Exactly, exactly. That's the beauty of 982 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:45,450 it. 983 01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:49,440 Dave Jones: You don't get it for free. Is like Visa is kind of 984 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:49,980 interesting. 985 01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:55,350 Adam Curry: V four v stats.com. If you want to watch it. Yeah. V 986 01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:59,760 four v stats.com. Or, yeah, there's a whole long URL, but I 987 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,970 like V four v. stats.com. That's why I registered for you, my 988 01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:03,360 friend. 989 01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:08,340 Dave Jones: Thank you, brother. Okay, you got you got anything, 990 01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:09,390 I guess? Yeah, yeah, 991 01:01:09,780 --> 01:01:12,510 Adam Curry: I've been I've been hogging the mic. Go ahead. No, 992 01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:12,750 no, 993 01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:16,110 Dave Jones: I hugged up with you did get everybody to sleep with 994 01:01:16,110 --> 01:01:17,100 the pipes of Janet. And 995 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:18,870 Adam Curry: I don't think I was sleeping on that. Yeah, two 996 01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:23,610 things I have here. One. I wanted noster is still there's 997 01:01:23,610 --> 01:01:27,300 still some debate going back and forth. You know, like, NASA 998 01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:31,680 should be connected to podcasting to bone. Oh, okay. I 999 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,470 wanted to point out the main difference between what is 1000 01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:38,250 happening on noster was zaps, which is all exciting. And I 1001 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,580 check out noster all the time. I don't find the conversation. It 1002 01:01:41,580 --> 01:01:47,430 particularly exciting seems to be a lot of PV and to the moon 1003 01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:50,460 and just kind of stuff. Good morning. Good night. Yeah, well, 1004 01:01:50,490 --> 01:01:51,540 yeah, Pura Vida, 1005 01:01:51,570 --> 01:01:53,850 Dave Jones: you know, so Okay, that's great. What does that 1006 01:01:53,850 --> 01:01:55,620 mean, by the way, that I 1007 01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:57,210 Adam Curry: think that's something that Jack Dorsey 1008 01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:59,940 started. And I think without Jack Dorsey, none of this will 1009 01:01:59,940 --> 01:02:05,880 be going on. And that's kind of what led me to the to the 1010 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,590 discovery of the simple fact that Jack Dorsey is funding 1011 01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:15,780 development. Yep. And he's doing it seemingly altruistically, 1012 01:02:15,780 --> 01:02:20,850 which is beautiful. What we are doing with podcasting 2.0 on 1013 01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:26,010 value for value is we have specifically purposely put 1014 01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:30,990 everyone into the value flow. When you send a zap from, you 1015 01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:38,760 know, what app Am I using, you know, from Gnostic gram to using 1016 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:44,520 an amethyst or Iris, the app developer gets none of that, 1017 01:02:44,850 --> 01:02:50,370 because we invented the split. This was done specifically to 1018 01:02:50,370 --> 01:02:53,700 get everyone involved. And everybody can have a piece of 1019 01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:56,910 this, you know, a million and a half Satoshis that flows through 1020 01:02:56,910 --> 01:03:00,000 the system every single day, whether you're making a stats 1021 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,400 package, whether you're doing transcripts, whether you're 1022 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,260 hosting, you've created a WordPress plugin, you've built 1023 01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:10,890 an app and put your your blood sweat and tears into it. That 1024 01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:17,010 was the idea from the onset. And, and noster does not have 1025 01:03:17,010 --> 01:03:21,480 this. So I do not believe the ecosystem can only be sustained 1026 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,950 by one billionaire who hands out, you know, rewards and 1027 01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:30,000 benefits to people. There has to be something in there, like 1028 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,690 splits that makes it work for everybody. And I think just 1029 01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:36,300 looking at the culture, that ship may have sailed it may be 1030 01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:39,210 too late for them to to integrate that your thoughts 1031 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,470 Dave Jones, pod sage. 1032 01:03:41,850 --> 01:03:45,390 Dave Jones: Now, I think your prayer, I think you're right. I 1033 01:03:45,390 --> 01:03:49,830 think that because they built they built in, Gigi wrote an 1034 01:03:49,830 --> 01:03:54,510 article kind of talking about this, maybe last week, I don't 1035 01:03:54,510 --> 01:03:57,900 remember but whatever his latest article was, he was really 1036 01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:01,800 decrying the fact that podcast he's like over here in 1037 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,910 podcasting, 2.0 they have this notion of splits, which, you 1038 01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:09,660 know, which and he's like, we need that. In the broader 1039 01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:15,060 Bitcoin ecosystem. We need splits to be a thing because 1040 01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:15,480 Gigi, 1041 01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:18,810 Adam Curry: Gigi understands value for value. People think 1042 01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:19,680 value for value. 1043 01:04:22,650 --> 01:04:25,560 Dave Jones: Yeah, initially, he was arguing it needs to be at 1044 01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:32,220 the it needs to be programmatic. And, and not any needs to be 1045 01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:36,990 built into the protocol. And I agree, I agree with that. There. 1046 01:04:37,020 --> 01:04:42,960 We we sort of hacked it on top. And I don't want to say hi, 1047 01:04:42,990 --> 01:04:46,800 because I mean, we we did it a good way. I think, you know, we 1048 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,470 did it the right way for what for what it is and what we 1049 01:04:49,470 --> 01:04:53,940 needed. But I don't want to say that negatively but but at the 1050 01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:57,750 same time, it really would be great to have it built 1051 01:04:57,750 --> 01:05:02,640 programmatically into it. Lightning into Bitcoin Core even 1052 01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:09,060 Adam Curry: Oh, I liked that idea. There we go. Fletcher's DM 1053 01:05:09,060 --> 01:05:16,020 to to me Thanks, bro you know, I think yes, that's a wow, that is 1054 01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:19,620 a genius idea. I mean, it seems like the lightning labs people 1055 01:05:19,620 --> 01:05:23,370 be too busy defending their brand name Tarot. 1056 01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:26,370 Dave Jones: Here they're getting sued, aren't they? Well, 1057 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,370 Adam Curry: they had a they had a, I think they've changed it to 1058 01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:34,890 an injunction from a. It was like a restraining order, which 1059 01:05:34,890 --> 01:05:37,440 I thought was weird cease and desist, I understand. But some 1060 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,990 of that a restraining order. It's all it's all. It's all 1061 01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:43,110 trademark. And, you know, trademark is a big deal. So you 1062 01:05:43,110 --> 01:05:45,480 go and you defend your trademark, and then everything 1063 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,330 has to stop until that's resolved. And I guess this 1064 01:05:48,330 --> 01:05:53,760 company, Terry has, you know, a similar product to lightning 1065 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,610 labs and tarot, but they were there earlier, trademarked it 1066 01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:02,520 oops. I guess roast beef was talking too fast. I was trying 1067 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:07,260 to catch up to him forgot to do some of the basic work. So I end 1068 01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:12,000 up they don't care. Honestly, I don't see the developers of 1069 01:06:12,030 --> 01:06:16,020 lightning. And I don't know the see lightning people well 1070 01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:18,630 enough. I just don't see any, they don't care about 1071 01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:21,930 microtransactions. We know that. We're the ones that are making 1072 01:06:21,930 --> 01:06:23,130 that ecosystem work. 1073 01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:26,340 Dave Jones: Yeah, I think I think the bottom line of what 1074 01:06:26,370 --> 01:06:29,640 you're saying is that we were going to just be stuck with what 1075 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,610 we have for a while. I mean, for who knows how long into the 1076 01:06:32,610 --> 01:06:33,030 future. 1077 01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:35,460 Adam Curry: And I'm not, and I'm not sad about it. I mean, I 1078 01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:40,260 think eautiful it's just, you know, it's like this, if 1079 01:06:40,260 --> 01:06:42,990 anything, I want to point out that we actually have something 1080 01:06:42,990 --> 01:06:48,180 really cool. And that is to be admired by people that most 1081 01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:51,120 won't give a crap about us. But that's not that's be beside the 1082 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,260 point. You know, wait until we wait until the music side 1083 01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:58,890 project or, or that and more apps start to come online. And 1084 01:06:58,890 --> 01:07:02,550 the musicians come in, and they see that they can do splits. And 1085 01:07:02,550 --> 01:07:05,820 they see that they can circumvent the whole archaic 1086 01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:11,130 architecture of ASCAP, BMI, Harry Fox agency, record labels 1087 01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:14,700 publishing, you can put it all right into the value block, and 1088 01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:18,450 it's transparent, right down to base, you know, of course, 1089 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,850 music, music component, composition, lyrics, down to the 1090 01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:27,360 players. And as we know, we can have, you know, doesn't have to 1091 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:32,040 be 100%. It can be, can be 500%. Everything works out in the mix 1092 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,900 behind the scenes, it gets split up perfectly. And that is that's 1093 01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:40,170 a future system. That's something that people will who 1094 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:43,530 are in the music business will understand. And we'll get, and I 1095 01:07:43,530 --> 01:07:46,650 think we're unique in that, Ben, we've built it out. We have, you 1096 01:07:46,650 --> 01:07:54,900 know, what is it now? I think I'd like to the show that Dave 1097 01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:58,950 Jackson and Dan J. Lewis are doing. Yeah, I've 1098 01:07:58,950 --> 01:08:00,300 Dave Jones: been listening to that. That's good show. 1099 01:08:00,450 --> 01:08:04,170 Adam Curry: But they need to get with the ACC the accurate stats, 1100 01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:09,300 because they were talking about 12 183 feeds with value blocks, 1101 01:08:09,330 --> 01:08:14,640 and I'm looking at 12,538. So they're not pulling from your 1102 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,310 JSON, which I know sounds like it should be on a different 1103 01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:18,030 podcast. 1104 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,030 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's right. That's right before the private 1105 01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:24,510 parts, 1106 01:08:25,140 --> 01:08:27,600 Adam Curry: Private Parts Unknown, pulling my JSON. 1107 01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:29,850 Dave Jones: Episode one pulling, Jason 1108 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,709 Adam Curry: You know, and of course, you know, I love it. 1109 01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:40,769 When Brian of London comes in says, that's all high five. Easy 1110 01:08:40,769 --> 01:08:44,519 speak. What is it three, speak? Three speak a lot. A lot of it 1111 01:08:44,519 --> 01:08:48,689 is for sure. And love that number for that very reason. 1112 01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:49,199 Brian. 1113 01:08:50,340 --> 01:08:52,260 Dave Jones: I've got some, I think we need to talk about 1114 01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:57,780 channels. Oh, well briefly covered last week, and then and 1115 01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:58,800 then bailed out. 1116 01:09:00,569 --> 01:09:03,449 Unknown: And now it's time for some hot 1117 01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:07,110 Adam Curry: namespace now to to lead us into the hot namespace 1118 01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:08,880 talk. May I make an observation? 1119 01:09:09,599 --> 01:09:11,999 Dave Jones: I would love I would love to hear an observation. 1120 01:09:12,089 --> 01:09:15,179 Okay. Can you hear an observation? I guess you can? 1121 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,820 Adam Curry: Well, it's an observation I'm going to put 1122 01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:22,470 into words, the GitHub, the GitHub needs to be at least 1123 01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:28,020 temporarily constrained, because now it's becoming a free for all 1124 01:09:28,020 --> 01:09:33,300 of features. So you know, I have a lot of things I want. But when 1125 01:09:33,330 --> 01:09:36,750 it feels to me like the because I follow the GitHub, you know, 1126 01:09:36,750 --> 01:09:41,550 and I'm just a casual user, I will reply sometimes. I don't 1127 01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:43,800 think I've ever done a pull request. I'm just I'm just 1128 01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:46,620 following along with the conversation. And it gets very 1129 01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:51,600 crowded with things like past guests. Okay. I understand that 1130 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,750 some people are annoyed by getting emails from people and I 1131 01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:58,860 get them who want to see if you'll take a guest on the show. 1132 01:09:59,070 --> 01:10:01,830 But you know, I I mean, I can think of a lot of things that I 1133 01:10:01,830 --> 01:10:05,760 want in there, like, includes lighter clicks, might include 1134 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,180 vape sounds, I mean, it could have a whole whole bunch of shit 1135 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:14,760 that you can put into, into the namespace. And what it does is 1136 01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:18,750 it takes it, I feel it sucks energy out of the things that we 1137 01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:21,120 should be concentrating on, like, I don't know, across that 1138 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,150 comment, I'm just gonna throw some simple out there. But 1139 01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:28,320 there's other things in our now six phases that are really 1140 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,490 important, like the one you're about to bring up. But but it's 1141 01:10:32,490 --> 01:10:35,370 just become a free for all of everybody. Oh, I got a great 1142 01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:41,040 idea. I've been dreaming of this for years. And now it's annoying 1143 01:10:41,070 --> 01:10:44,520 it that's just my observation. I have no control over the GitHub. 1144 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,160 That's all you and I'm just throwing it out there. 1145 01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:52,530 Dave Jones: I'm gonna take the opposite side of the fence from 1146 01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:58,410 you. A now in in one specific way. Now, I agree with you that 1147 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:03,780 the we have more important fish to fry. Yes, I totally agree, we 1148 01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:07,380 got some important stuff that we need to do. I'm trying to I'm 1149 01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:11,010 trying to wait a little bit until some of the dev and some 1150 01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:15,930 of the existing development work comes down. In before we start 1151 01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:16,140 in 1152 01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:18,540 Adam Curry: one development work, everyone's trying to raise 1153 01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:21,390 money. Now as far as I can tell, which is going to suck a lot of 1154 01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:22,830 development time out of people, 1155 01:11:22,860 --> 01:11:25,050 Dave Jones: no Captivate, Captivate just be No, 1156 01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:27,930 Adam Curry: oh, no, no, no. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm 1157 01:11:27,930 --> 01:11:30,150 talking about on the app development side? 1158 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,170 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, well, you know, Pocket Casts is looking at 1159 01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:38,340 2.0. And that in this kind of, you know, we found that out last 1160 01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,790 week, true. And I was trying to trying to let there be some a 1161 01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:45,360 little bit of a, you know, a little bit of catch up to be 1162 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,040 done, you know, let people get caught up as much as they feel 1163 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,990 like they need to. And then, because we got 20 tags, you 1164 01:11:54,990 --> 01:11:57,090 know, so much. So my point, 1165 01:11:57,090 --> 01:12:00,270 Adam Curry: we have 20 tags, which are not supported by 1166 01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:03,420 everybody. Of course, they don't have to do it. But I'm just you 1167 01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:06,270 know, I'm just saying that like this. I don't know, it just 1168 01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:09,960 feels like that's a distraction. And this just because you read 1169 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,260 the GitHub, and you get the like, oh, okay, this, and it 1170 01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:15,540 gets your juices flowing about something else. And I don't 1171 01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:19,170 know. I mean, again, I'm sorry, I should shut up. I made my 1172 01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:21,210 observation. You're trying to tell me what you want to do? 1173 01:12:21,690 --> 01:12:24,570 Dave Jones: No, no, no, you're. So that's so that's where I 1174 01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:28,830 disagree is that I think that it's not a distraction. It's I 1175 01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:33,540 like it when people throw just everything they can at the wall. 1176 01:12:33,870 --> 01:12:37,830 Because we may be. So take a take a tag, like has guests, 1177 01:12:38,190 --> 01:12:42,000 probably not going to be a formal tag. I mean, it's just so 1178 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,840 niche, and so specific. And I think we've got other ways to 1179 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,250 handle that. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't think it will 1180 01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:55,350 end up being a tag. But at the same time, as guests may have 1181 01:12:55,530 --> 01:12:59,280 some piece of it or some piece of reasoning within it, that 1182 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:04,320 also that actually informed another tag down the road, or on 1183 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,400 the other side of the proposal list that you can end up 1184 01:13:08,430 --> 01:13:11,970 combining and I think channels is is actually a really good 1185 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:16,710 example of that. Okay. So channels, you know, is is that 1186 01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:19,410 that idea that we talked about last week of grouping, if 1187 01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:23,010 grouping feeds together? Well, channel we actually had, we 1188 01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:26,730 actually stopped working on channels, in order to go build 1189 01:13:26,730 --> 01:13:35,580 guid is a Gu it really was born out of the channel i idea. But 1190 01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:40,260 then, you know, we just never went back to channels. But so in 1191 01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:43,530 that, that's where you could have some sort of like cross 1192 01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:48,360 pollination of ideas. That to where, even though one thing 1193 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,140 doesn't actually make it all the way to the finish line. It can 1194 01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:56,190 be a critical part of some thinking on another thing. Like 1195 01:13:56,190 --> 01:14:00,060 chit chats or channels. You know, the idea is that you're 1196 01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:03,270 going to group feeds together. And you know, what we really 1197 01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:06,330 didn't want to do is group things or reference feeds by 1198 01:14:06,330 --> 01:14:12,780 URL, because URLs can change shows move from host to host. So 1199 01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:14,730 okay, all right. Okay, how are we gonna solve this problem? 1200 01:14:14,730 --> 01:14:19,500 What we came up with good. So the good is universal idea. 1201 01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:24,960 We've talked about it before. It's generated from a hash, a UU 1202 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,820 ID five hash of your current of your, your current Feed URL as 1203 01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:33,150 it exists right now. And then you put that into your feed with 1204 01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:34,950 the podcast colon guid tag, 1205 01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:37,740 Adam Curry: which I have in all mine, I think I'm support Yes, 1206 01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:38,610 I'm supporting it. 1207 01:14:39,150 --> 01:14:42,570 Dave Jones: Yep. And so now once you have Gu ID now you have a 1208 01:14:42,570 --> 01:14:48,570 way to referent to refer to all those goods, which are universal 1209 01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:52,290 IDs for podcasts. You got to wait to refer to those Gu IDs in 1210 01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:57,540 some sort of channels file. And that's what I'm that's what I'm 1211 01:14:57,540 --> 01:15:01,500 thinking about right now. Is we in Get up coming up with three 1212 01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:06,420 different ways to do that. Or three possibilities we, we sort 1213 01:15:06,420 --> 01:15:09,480 of came up with, I think the original proposition was just 1214 01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:16,380 using JSON. In sort of like defy, you've got this channels 1215 01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:19,800 file, which is going to list out all of the members member feeds. 1216 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,600 So you may have a JSON file that lists out, you know, podcasting 1217 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:29,580 2.0, no agenda, Mofaz Korean keeper, daily source code. And 1218 01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:33,540 then that would be your channel, this the Adam curry chat, 1219 01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:38,280 Adam Curry: and okay, and so and how does that work for my 1220 01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:42,690 different audiences with a lot of overlap? I mean, what is the 1221 01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:45,000 the listener experience of the channel? 1222 01:15:46,710 --> 01:15:49,380 Dave Jones: So the listener experience is what so here is 1223 01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:51,570 there's like a two way street. This I'm glad. Okay, I'm glad 1224 01:15:51,570 --> 01:15:54,870 you asked this, because I've forgotten this aspect. It's a 1225 01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:59,670 two way street. So the the, the feed, so you're gonna have a 1226 01:15:59,670 --> 01:16:03,210 chat, you're gonna have a channel file that references 1227 01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:07,800 podcasting, 2.0, no agenda, Mo facts, current keeper daily 1228 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,240 source code. Each one of those five feeds will also have a 1229 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,740 channel tag in it that links back to the channel file. Yeah, 1230 01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:21,000 so it links to the URL of the channel file. So now, if I'm 1231 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:27,930 listening to mo facts, my podcast app can say, can resolve 1232 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,660 can go out, can see there's a channel file go out and get it. 1233 01:16:31,170 --> 01:16:36,120 And also say, in some way, it can know how it presents us, the 1234 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,930 user, you know, is up to whatever app, but they can also 1235 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,880 inform the user that, hey, this feed you're listening to is also 1236 01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:49,380 part of a channel with these other feeds in it. Okay, it's 1237 01:16:49,380 --> 01:16:53,970 like a discovery, a really good discovery mechanism. Because if 1238 01:16:53,970 --> 01:16:57,810 you've subscribed to one, you did it for a reason, you may 1239 01:16:57,810 --> 01:17:01,470 want to subscribe to something else related to this. So at 1240 01:17:01,470 --> 01:17:06,270 least, you know, at least they're sort of grouped in a way 1241 01:17:06,270 --> 01:17:08,070 that the podcast app can discover. So 1242 01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:10,530 Adam Curry: my question, it's not something I'm interested in, 1243 01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:14,370 honestly, I just I don't know why it's not I'm not trying to 1244 01:17:14,370 --> 01:17:18,420 be controversial. What is the demand for this? And or is it 1245 01:17:18,420 --> 01:17:21,450 something we think there's demand for and we and we want to 1246 01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:25,110 create the demand? I'm just, I'm just trying to understand where 1247 01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:29,160 where the where the demand for this particular feature comes 1248 01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:29,430 from. 1249 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:35,430 Dave Jones: So it can really it comes from? It's necessary for 1250 01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:39,960 few reasons. I mean, necessaries Nia loosey goosey word? Well, 1251 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,660 let me answer Nathan's question first, real quick. He said, 1252 01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:45,630 Doesn't the podcast author proposal replaced the chat the 1253 01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:50,430 need for channels? No, because just because the author, because 1254 01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:52,830 you can group channel, you could, you could imagine a 1255 01:17:52,830 --> 01:17:57,870 grouping of, of shows that really don't have any connection 1256 01:17:57,870 --> 01:18:02,700 to the publisher at all. You could be a grouping of shows of 1257 01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:11,250 like, of all all of Amazon's originals. And they're going to 1258 01:18:11,460 --> 01:18:14,700 perhaps have different publishers. So they may not even 1259 01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:20,760 reference Amazon necessarily, in in the in the publisher tag. So 1260 01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:24,720 that you can you can envision scenarios where the PA where 1261 01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:32,250 they're still groupings beyond publishers. What you said the 1262 01:18:32,670 --> 01:18:43,140 one one perfect use case off the top would be a musician. Let's 1263 01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:50,940 just say tone record. He's got five albums. And each each album 1264 01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:55,080 is a feed. Each episode is a track. So now he needs to go 1265 01:18:55,080 --> 01:19:00,000 with this one level up and say, Okay, I need some way to do to 1266 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,860 show like my entire catalog. So at that level, you can think of 1267 01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:08,910 channel as catalog for this for this particular 1268 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:10,530 Adam Curry: thank you for answering his question. You 1269 01:19:10,530 --> 01:19:13,830 answered my question perfectly. It's appropriate for music. 1270 01:19:14,190 --> 01:19:15,930 That's where the demand is coming from. 1271 01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:21,120 Dave Jones: I would I would say that's probably the most 1272 01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:25,260 straightforward use case for it. And then all the other ones you 1273 01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,020 all the other use cases you can think of you can kind of get for 1274 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:28,470 free. 1275 01:19:28,620 --> 01:19:32,340 Adam Curry: Yeah. Okay. So, yes. All right. I'm with that. I 1276 01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:34,740 mean, I would call it discography, but I understand 1277 01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:37,320 doesn't, okay. It doesn't really matter what you call it, as long 1278 01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,470 as it has that function. So yeah, that makes sense. And I 1279 01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:42,420 can see that being built in. 1280 01:19:43,740 --> 01:19:46,680 Dave Jones: Well, so then, you know, the question becomes, how 1281 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:51,510 do you build this channel file? It can, is it going to be it 1282 01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:56,520 because there's really, I can think of three and I can think 1283 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,610 of three good solutions and I honestly don't know which one is 1284 01:19:59,610 --> 01:20:02,820 best. So you can have a J, you can have JSON file, it's got 1285 01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:06,600 some, maybe it's got, it's got broad support. It's it's fairly 1286 01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:07,380 easy to 1287 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,750 Adam Curry: work. We're already we're already publishing things 1288 01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:14,190 in JSON such as chapters, 1289 01:20:14,849 --> 01:20:18,689 Dave Jones: right? You've got RST, 1290 01:20:18,690 --> 01:20:20,520 Adam Curry: I believe, I can't believe I'm shilling for JSON 1291 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,760 here. What's wrong with me? 1292 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:30,660 Dave Jones: You've got he got RSS, I mean, just RSS itself. It 1293 01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:34,650 maybe not. Maybe it's sort of a little outside the use case of 1294 01:20:34,650 --> 01:20:39,210 RSS, but, but you could still use it. But to me the biggest, 1295 01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:42,420 the biggest to or are JSON and OPML. 1296 01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:46,380 Adam Curry: Yeah, and I would vote against OPML. Even though I 1297 01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:51,840 love OPML, I live in OPML. OPML is keeps my life and my my life 1298 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,500 together. The only reason is I saw what happened with OPML. 1299 01:20:55,500 --> 01:21:01,140 OPML is a very rich, standard. And all it's ever used for is 1300 01:21:01,380 --> 01:21:07,200 collecting podcasts, exactly what it would do. Well, but in a 1301 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:12,510 subscription list. So now to explain that this is a channel I 1302 01:21:12,510 --> 01:21:16,830 think is more complicated than it has to be. Whereas this is 1303 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:19,650 only going to be done by hosts anyway, they're probably mean 1304 01:21:19,650 --> 01:21:24,060 they have to go, I don't think a lot of hosts spin up OPML output 1305 01:21:24,060 --> 01:21:26,760 and JSON is probably something they're already familiar with. 1306 01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:30,210 Dave Jones: Good point. That's a good, that's a good point. 1307 01:21:30,630 --> 01:21:33,420 Adam Curry: Even though I love OPML, and I you know, and open, 1308 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:38,340 but even OPML in the apps today is a subscription list. It's not 1309 01:21:38,340 --> 01:21:42,300 a channel, I know the differences are a small nuance, 1310 01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:46,710 but I'm just a stupid user. So that's how I look, that's the 1311 01:21:46,710 --> 01:21:47,670 voice I'm bringing. 1312 01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:51,090 Dave Jones: No, it's a good point. I mean, it's a good 1313 01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:54,900 point, because you have so so on the hosting side, you would have 1314 01:21:55,470 --> 01:22:01,260 probably a more more aptitude with JSON on the app side, 1315 01:22:01,530 --> 01:22:04,620 you're gonna have, you're gonna have probably, you know, plenty 1316 01:22:04,620 --> 01:22:08,190 of experience with JSON. They also mostly they know how to 1317 01:22:08,190 --> 01:22:11,700 speak OPML because they use it for import export lists. So they 1318 01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:13,020 really could speak either one, 1319 01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,660 Adam Curry: right, but what but what is the user is not 1320 01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:20,850 publishing the channel, the right, right publishers creator 1321 01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:23,880 and publishing the crap. Yeah, but they, they consume it. And 1322 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,610 it's like, it should just surface in the app, and it says, 1323 01:22:26,730 --> 01:22:31,560 Oh, here's the channel that this album or this artists or 1324 01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,650 whatever belongs to, then I think for the user, it's just 1325 01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:36,690 gonna be a list or whatever, it's not gonna does not going to 1326 01:22:36,690 --> 01:22:38,730 matter if it's OPML or JSON. 1327 01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:42,120 Dave Jones: So the geeky part of me. 1328 01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:45,540 Adam Curry: Yes, this is what I'm here to thrash. 1329 01:22:45,839 --> 01:22:54,329 Dave Jones: Yes. The Geeky part of me really wants to go opium 1330 01:22:54,329 --> 01:23:01,109 mill. Because you can reuse the name, the podcast namespace in 1331 01:23:01,109 --> 01:23:05,609 the OPML. Because it's just XML namespace. And you sort of get, 1332 01:23:06,209 --> 01:23:12,149 you get this big win for free. But that really is just excuse 1333 01:23:12,179 --> 01:23:12,839 me Explain 1334 01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,910 Adam Curry: that. Explain it to me. I'm interested explaining 1335 01:23:14,910 --> 01:23:17,790 again, what do you get? What do you get for free? If you do it 1336 01:23:17,790 --> 01:23:18,750 that with opium? Well, 1337 01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:21,030 Dave Jones: so you know, so we got the Podcast, the podcast 1338 01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:25,980 namespace, which is in RSS, but it's really just, it's, it's a 1339 01:23:25,980 --> 01:23:28,590 misnomer. That is an RSS namespace. It's an XML 1340 01:23:28,590 --> 01:23:34,350 namespace. So, cause it's just an XML namespace. We can also 1341 01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:43,410 use the podcast namespace in the OPML. file. You basically get to 1342 01:23:43,410 --> 01:23:47,850 apply your namespace to the feed and the channel. 1343 01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:51,329 Adam Curry: Oh, I see what you're doing. Okay. 1344 01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:55,590 Dave Jones: Whereas a JSON doesn't have a defined schema, 1345 01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:00,150 like you don't, there are namespaces for things or 1346 01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:01,500 namespaces for JSON. 1347 01:24:02,099 --> 01:24:04,379 Adam Curry: What's so crazy they'll do throughout this whole 1348 01:24:04,379 --> 01:24:09,659 thing? I've been trying to find the channels discussion. And I 1349 01:24:09,659 --> 01:24:14,459 can't find it. All I've got is now like, Oh, come on. Just you. 1350 01:24:14,579 --> 01:24:19,169 I can't how in GitHub, I can I just search it. I mean, I'm in 1351 01:24:19,169 --> 01:24:23,609 the podcast, index, podcast, namespace discussions, and then 1352 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:27,450 Dave Jones: get no no good issues. Oh, it's an issue. Yeah, 1353 01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:32,760 well, it is now. It's a good proposal, podcast channel, a 1354 01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,320 group of like, oh, it's 1355 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:35,430 Adam Curry: an issue. Okay. 1356 01:24:35,460 --> 01:24:38,280 Dave Jones: I'm sorry, issue. 240. That will help you. 1357 01:24:40,140 --> 01:24:43,860 Warning. It's a very long discussion. Very long. 1358 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:48,810 Adam Curry: Oh, no kidding. Yeah. That's okay. Oh, I see. 1359 01:24:49,230 --> 01:24:50,670 Podcasts warning. We got 1360 01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:53,700 Dave Jones: all kinds of there's been an action on this within 1361 01:24:53,700 --> 01:24:59,550 the last few days. Oh, Kevin. Kevin from Buzzsprout. opened a 1362 01:24:59,550 --> 01:25:04,860 new issue. For pod roll. Oh, yeah, here we go. Okay. Yeah. So 1363 01:25:04,860 --> 01:25:05,640 this is, uh, 1364 01:25:05,670 --> 01:25:09,150 Adam Curry: this is basically the same thing. No, not 1365 01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:11,400 Dave Jones: be gay might be taking a look, he might be 1366 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,460 taking a crack at it simplifying this. I haven't read through the 1367 01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:21,810 chair psaltery through. Okay, well, that that may be. Yeah, 1368 01:25:21,810 --> 01:25:24,210 we'll have to read through this before we continue. But that's, 1369 01:25:24,210 --> 01:25:26,940 that's, that's where we left. That's where we left the channel 1370 01:25:26,940 --> 01:25:31,110 channel discussion. And I'm really I mean, I'm open to 1371 01:25:31,140 --> 01:25:36,660 whatever, you know, I mean, OPML I mean, the point about JSON 1372 01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:39,090 being easy to produce and consume both. 1373 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,520 Adam Curry: And that's just me saying that. Am I a good one? I 1374 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,420 mean, I can read both. And I know, I can probably write both. 1375 01:25:49,410 --> 01:25:53,640 I understand both. Just I'm just going for what's simple to get 1376 01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,070 done here. Yeah. Yeah. So but 1377 01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:58,470 Dave Jones: asking the host to produce OPML? That would 1378 01:25:58,470 --> 01:26:00,150 probably be the biggest struggle. 1379 01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:03,630 Adam Curry: Yeah, because it goes to because I'm sure they 1380 01:26:03,630 --> 01:26:07,830 already have JSON writers or you know, whatever you call it. I 1381 01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:11,070 still, I still can't find channel. She all kinds of stuff. 1382 01:26:11,070 --> 01:26:11,340 But 1383 01:26:12,030 --> 01:26:15,060 Dave Jones: oh, you can? It's 240 here. 1384 01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:18,120 Adam Curry: Right. But how do I get to? Oh, I have to go. I have 1385 01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,510 to go through the numbers here to get to 240. I see. I see. You 1386 01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,330 Dave Jones: just tag a 240 on the end of the URL. You'll get 1387 01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:24,570 there. 1388 01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:31,140 Adam Curry: That sounds obvious. To 40 I've got a group of 1389 01:26:31,140 --> 01:26:35,520 podcasts. Okay. I got Thank you. Thank you. Okay, I see what 1390 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,340 we're doing here. Oh, yes. Warning. That is a very long, 1391 01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:46,380 everyone. Hi, everyone. So creative. Wow. Okay. Anyway, so 1392 01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:49,530 that's what I mean. That's, that's my whole point is okay. 1393 01:26:49,530 --> 01:26:56,880 We have how many like, for 70 comments, no cross app comments? 1394 01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,510 Dave Jones: Well, we're still we're still working through that 1395 01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:08,310 we got we've got an HTTP to HTTP to. Glitch. Oh, we're through 1396 01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:08,760 oh, 1397 01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:11,520 Adam Curry: what HTTP to glitch was this. 1398 01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,160 Dave Jones: But the podcast comments stopped loading on the 1399 01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,620 site. Oh, and 1400 01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:18,810 Adam Curry: this is no bueno. 1401 01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:23,160 Dave Jones: Yeah. And so Geremy said that he thinks that it's a 1402 01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:28,320 this an issue with the translation between HTTP two as 1403 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,740 it goes through the reverse proxy at Cloudflare. And comes 1404 01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:32,910 down to the browser. 1405 01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:36,030 Adam Curry: What is HTTP two? I've never even heard of this. 1406 01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:39,960 Dave Jones: Yeah. So So there, you know, there's HTTP 1.1. Was 1407 01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,980 Yes. Oh, yes. Of course. Yeah. Well, one dot I was was the old 1408 01:27:43,980 --> 01:27:47,520 school and then went out one, which brought like a keep alive 1409 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,960 and some improvements. Okay, so then you got a few years ago, it 1410 01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,730 was HTTP slash two came out, which sort of really 1411 01:27:56,730 --> 01:28:01,980 reengineered the way that connections are handled. So it 1412 01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:05,160 you instead of, instead of opening up a separate connection 1413 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,390 for every resource, like page JavaScript style sheet, every 1414 01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:12,840 one of those being a separate TCP connection or connection 1415 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,250 pooling? Yes, so you have one connection and all of its 1416 01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:18,690 resources. Oh, hold on. 1417 01:28:19,710 --> 01:28:23,460 Unknown: Shot Carla 20 is blades on am Paula 1418 01:28:23,490 --> 01:28:27,930 Adam Curry: taking a break from the ski slopes? Sam Sethi checks 1419 01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:32,910 in with 101010 101,010 SAS we got a new number here. This is 1420 01:28:32,910 --> 01:28:35,100 what is this some binary for something right? 1421 01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:37,590 Dave Jones: Don't hit a tree, Sam, pay attention what you're 1422 01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:41,250 doing. I gotta see what that is. That's how Bondo does. 1423 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:49,650 Adam Curry: He's Yes. Bono. No bond bonus. Oh, no fish share. 1424 01:28:49,650 --> 01:28:54,630 And yes, I want Sonny Bono. Yes, I want to use the new channel 1425 01:28:54,630 --> 01:28:58,500 tag to be a producer page showing all the other podcasts 1426 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,290 from that producer. It's great for discovery. If I listen to 1427 01:29:01,290 --> 01:29:04,710 one pod podcast from a producer, I can now see all their other 1428 01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:08,010 podcasts. This is similar to Apple channels. Ah, so this is a 1429 01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:12,030 Genesis perhaps, apple? Oh, okay. 1430 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,920 Dave Jones: That was the initial that was the initial idea. Okay, 1431 01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:20,640 people like Alex were like, you know, immediately saw it for 1432 01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,850 what it could be, which was things like grouping the 1433 01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:27,990 discographies and stuff like that, like you said, sure. We 1434 01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:29,130 get Yeah, we get a twofer. 1435 01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:35,550 Adam Curry: I like it. So what is this, this number? Is binary 1436 01:29:35,550 --> 01:29:41,490 101010. Is that is that 42? What is that binary for? 1437 01:29:43,050 --> 01:29:45,270 Dave Jones: Oh, is that an entity actually mean that to be 1438 01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:45,780 a signal? 1439 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,290 Adam Curry: It's 42. Yeah. Which of course is the most important 1440 01:29:49,290 --> 01:29:53,940 number in the universe? Decimal 42 decimal 42. Yes. 1441 01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:55,560 Dave Jones: Oh, nice. Yes. Sweet. 1442 01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:57,960 Adam Curry: There you go. That's so it's a what do we call a 1443 01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:59,670 level 42 Boost. There you go. 1444 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,840 Dave Jones: So, is the universe the universe boost? Yes, 1445 01:30:03,900 --> 01:30:07,860 Adam Curry: it's exactly. Okay. Well, this is a wall. It's 1446 01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:11,040 fascinating. I love it all. And if you know so there's Sam 1447 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,270 Sethi. He is a podcast listening experience creator, and he wants 1448 01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:15,510 this. 1449 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,670 Dave Jones: I think, I think when we jump back into talking 1450 01:30:20,670 --> 01:30:24,660 about the next release, when we get back into this, I think we 1451 01:30:24,660 --> 01:30:27,660 should start with channels. Like is kind of where I would like to 1452 01:30:27,660 --> 01:30:28,200 start. 1453 01:30:28,290 --> 01:30:30,510 Adam Curry: So it was started by Tom Ross at your Buzzsprout 1454 01:30:30,510 --> 01:30:35,610 fame. One of Apple's features is the grouping from April 23 2021. 1455 01:30:36,150 --> 01:30:39,840 Yes, one of the OG it's good to look at these things. One of 1456 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,750 Apple's features is the grouping of podcasts into a channel, I 1457 01:30:42,750 --> 01:30:45,660 kind of liked this idea and wonder if we could incorporate a 1458 01:30:45,660 --> 01:30:48,300 way to do this with the RSS feed, perhaps we could provide a 1459 01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:50,850 podcast channel tag that uniquely identifies the channel 1460 01:30:50,850 --> 01:30:54,990 or a related podcast tag that points to a JSON of all the 1461 01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:58,680 related RSS feeds. So there's a guy who wants it who is a host, 1462 01:30:58,950 --> 01:31:04,560 hosting, hosting provider and is already signaling JSON. Which 1463 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,140 makes perfect sense. And then oh, look at this. Look at this 1464 01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:10,620 suck up. Dave Jones comes in you beat me to this, Tom, this is 1465 01:31:10,620 --> 01:31:13,020 absolutely a good idea. What do you look at this man? 1466 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,000 Dave Jones: What will you do the voice for me? 1467 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,380 Adam Curry: That's what it sounds like. It jumps up to this 1468 01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:25,950 tom. Wow. And then Daniel J. Lewis. Immediately, isn't this 1469 01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:28,830 what the recommendation tag as opposed to support and we're off 1470 01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:29,700 to the races. 1471 01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:34,110 Dave Jones: That's all it takes is one set up and one name 1472 01:31:34,110 --> 01:31:34,590 change. 1473 01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:38,610 Adam Curry: I'm just busting your balls, brother. I love it. 1474 01:31:38,610 --> 01:31:43,650 I love I cannot believe I've said this many times. The amount 1475 01:31:43,650 --> 01:31:48,870 of talent that is in this group, podcasting. 2.0 that is 1476 01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:53,100 unorganized. We're disorganized is only here because we want to 1477 01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:56,550 do cool things with podcasting. I again, I believe that we have 1478 01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:58,740 a common denominator, which is we should all keep getting the 1479 01:31:58,740 --> 01:32:02,850 value flow. You could not collect this amount of talent. 1480 01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:05,580 You could not afford this amount of talent. If you had $100 1481 01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:11,370 million dollars, you could not do it. And I love it. Awesome. 1482 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:17,430 And the end of $50 million will be Your salary alone. It's what 1483 01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:20,310 you deserve in my book. That's what you deserve. Yes, sir. 1484 01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:23,250 Dave Jones: $30 million to say. I love you, Tom. 1485 01:32:24,030 --> 01:32:25,650 Adam Curry: First in your balls, man. 1486 01:32:26,250 --> 01:32:30,390 Dave Jones: This is a good $50 million boy Friday. 1487 01:32:32,010 --> 01:32:33,060 Adam Curry: For Friday. 1488 01:32:33,870 --> 01:32:36,180 Dave Jones: We do need to you know, like I did build the good 1489 01:32:36,180 --> 01:32:37,680 resolver this week? Yeah, 1490 01:32:37,710 --> 01:32:41,040 Adam Curry: yeah. This is I even teased out in the open. I'm so 1491 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:41,820 excited about your 1492 01:32:41,820 --> 01:32:45,270 Dave Jones: goodness, in his life. We don't need to talk 1493 01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:45,990 about it yet, though. 1494 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,230 Adam Curry: Oh, I actually had it on my list to talk about, 1495 01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:51,300 Dave Jones: well, I don't want it. I don't want people using 1496 01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:57,030 it. It is not reliable. Is this purely like alpha alpha alpha? 1497 01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,910 Adam Curry: What are the downside? So the idea is you can 1498 01:32:59,910 --> 01:33:05,190 just throw a throw your your podcast good at this at this 1499 01:33:05,190 --> 01:33:08,130 thing, which, which would be something anybody could set up I 1500 01:33:08,130 --> 01:33:12,780 guess any, any app hosting company, etc. and it spits back. 1501 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:17,580 You know, your your podcast, right? That's the I wish the 1502 01:33:17,580 --> 01:33:23,160 universal and and it kind of becomes the ISBN of podcast. Am 1503 01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:24,810 I saying that right? Yeah, that's 1504 01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:28,680 Dave Jones: fair. Yeah. It's meant to be this. This 1505 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:35,160 particular software is meant to be super fast, it just just all 1506 01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:35,700 add up. 1507 01:33:36,990 --> 01:33:42,180 Adam Curry: It's like DNS. Yeah. But I need to open an issue. Why 1508 01:33:42,180 --> 01:33:43,830 don't we just use DNS for this? 1509 01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:47,400 Dave Jones: Why don't we call it good? What do we call it DNS? 1510 01:33:48,210 --> 01:33:51,000 Adam Curry: are called P and S. Okay. So 1511 01:33:53,250 --> 01:33:57,720 Dave Jones: it could be the big the big question. And this is 1512 01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:01,860 what Christopher I seen. And I see I'm talking about it. And I 1513 01:34:01,860 --> 01:34:02,130 don't want to 1514 01:34:02,130 --> 01:34:04,500 Adam Curry: talk about oh, I'm sorry. Well, we can switch we 1515 01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:06,540 can switch to something else. Do you want to know 1516 01:34:07,020 --> 01:34:08,400 Dave Jones: where we're getting? We're getting late in the game. 1517 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:12,210 We probably need to thank people. But um, you know, I 1518 01:34:12,210 --> 01:34:18,030 think I'm gonna wait and talk about guid once. Once I'm happy 1519 01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:21,000 that it's stable and giving out good data. 1520 01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:25,500 Adam Curry: Let's do that. Okay. And it won't be next week. We 1521 01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:28,590 have no board meeting meeting next week. WARNING WARNING. 1522 01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:29,400 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that's right. 1523 01:34:30,780 --> 01:34:31,830 Adam Curry: Oh, man. 1524 01:34:31,950 --> 01:34:32,850 Dave Jones: Hey, you're on boat, 1525 01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,070 Adam Curry: aren't you? Aren't you taking the debt? Aren't you 1526 01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,260 going somewhere with your family? Are you doing taking the 1527 01:34:37,260 --> 01:34:37,800 day off? 1528 01:34:38,009 --> 01:34:38,729 Dave Jones: Oh, yeah, that's right. 1529 01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:44,160 Adam Curry: I know your family's like I know it's like, annoying. 1530 01:34:44,190 --> 01:34:45,150 I know family. 1531 01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:48,750 Dave Jones: Yes, yes, we are. Yeah, we're going out of town 1532 01:34:48,750 --> 01:34:50,040 for a couple of days. 1533 01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:52,530 Adam Curry: Oh, nice. Well, I'm also out of town so everyone's 1534 01:34:52,530 --> 01:34:55,740 out of town. So there will be no no board meeting the board 1535 01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:57,600 meeting will be will be locked. 1536 01:34:58,860 --> 01:35:02,010 Dave Jones: Lobby deaf out I will definitely be have the good 1537 01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:05,220 resolver stable by two weeks from now. Okay, all right, 1538 01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:06,150 there's plenty of time. 1539 01:35:06,540 --> 01:35:09,060 Adam Curry: Let's thanks some people this is a value for value 1540 01:35:09,060 --> 01:35:10,980 if you want to learn more about that and by the way, I want to 1541 01:35:10,980 --> 01:35:14,100 thank James Cridland for appropriately plugging value for 1542 01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:20,340 value dot info. But But that's, that's a an overview of what 1543 01:35:20,340 --> 01:35:23,670 we're talking about here and how it works. You can support the 1544 01:35:23,670 --> 01:35:26,280 show you support the entire project you keep the server's 1545 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,610 running, you keep us in the Dr Pepper which is about all we can 1546 01:35:29,610 --> 01:35:32,730 afford. That's what I'm drinking right here. And you can do that 1547 01:35:32,730 --> 01:35:35,910 by going to podcast index.org Scroll down to the bottom. A 1548 01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:39,720 couple ways to support us. Let me check the tally coin while 1549 01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:43,500 we're at it because people wanted to send us a note on 1550 01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:46,590 chain Bitcoin. Let's see if anyone's done it today. drab do 1551 01:35:46,590 --> 01:35:54,450 not do it. Do not do not do it. Don't press that key don't press 1552 01:35:54,450 --> 01:35:57,780 that button dread. Good nothing there. Of course you can also 1553 01:35:57,780 --> 01:36:00,870 support us through your with your Fiat fun coupons. You can 1554 01:36:00,870 --> 01:36:04,590 do that through PayPal. That's the donate to the red donate 1555 01:36:04,590 --> 01:36:06,930 button there at the bottom. But what we really love is you got a 1556 01:36:06,930 --> 01:36:10,530 modern podcast app, drop the legacy go to podcast apps.com 1557 01:36:10,890 --> 01:36:15,600 select any of them that do value and boost us and that is exactly 1558 01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,660 what Mike Neumann did. Mike Newman 1559 01:36:19,740 --> 01:36:24,930 Unknown: Sakala 20 his blades on am Paula 101010 1560 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,830 Adam Curry: channels could be a genre like Sirius XM classic 1561 01:36:28,830 --> 01:36:34,920 rewind, etc. Channel talk is hot. Yeah. 10101 is a binary 1562 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,850 baller. Ah, there we go. Okay, binary baller. Thank you so 1563 01:36:38,850 --> 01:36:43,620 much, Mike. We just thank Sam for his binary baller boost tone 1564 01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:48,480 record 333 33 sending a boost so I can sit down again after being 1565 01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,790 made an example of in front of class during discussion with 1566 01:36:50,790 --> 01:37:00,150 music feeds. Then we have Sir Brian of London 31,948 SATs a 1567 01:37:00,210 --> 01:37:03,780 triple Israeli boost Putin don't fear the Reaper nor do the wind 1568 01:37:03,780 --> 01:37:07,200 the sun or the rain Shabbat Shalom from Israel. All right, 1569 01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,680 Shabbat Shalom, Brian of London, thank you. And that must be 1570 01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:12,870 coming from hive, where he says 1571 01:37:12,930 --> 01:37:15,210 Dave Jones: this The as we get permission, 1572 01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:20,490 Adam Curry: the hive reverse Rube Goldberg machine 6969 from 1573 01:37:20,490 --> 01:37:24,540 Hey, citizen, will podcast and 2.0 artists have an easy way to 1574 01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:29,730 report their earnings to Uncle Sam or uncle Trudeau? Well, it's 1575 01:37:29,730 --> 01:37:30,870 actually not that hard. 1576 01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:35,010 Dave Jones: I guess I can tell you, I had this on my list to 1577 01:37:35,010 --> 01:37:37,620 talk about what to do, because Alex talked about it this week. 1578 01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,610 On the podcast, index dot social, it's really not hard. So 1579 01:37:41,610 --> 01:37:48,900 what, what I do is I go into, I go into thunder hub, and just 1580 01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:52,260 export everything for the year there's there's basically six 1581 01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:59,100 files you get in there split up into on chain, and lightning. So 1582 01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:03,660 you have chain fees, risk research on chain receives on 1583 01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:07,140 chain sins. So those are sort of your three reports from that 1584 01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:10,710 they all come out in a CSV file. So you can open them in Excel. 1585 01:38:11,220 --> 01:38:13,770 Then you have on the lightning side, you have forwards, which 1586 01:38:13,770 --> 01:38:16,830 are the fees you get for forwarding lightning payments, 1587 01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:20,640 you get payments that you've made, which is like a send, and 1588 01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,600 you get invoices, which is payments you've received. So you 1589 01:38:24,660 --> 01:38:30,780 just export all those out, I take and I ditch the chain send 1590 01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:37,590 out of it. Because 99% of the time that is just a channel Oh 1591 01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:37,890 channel 1592 01:38:37,890 --> 01:38:38,970 Adam Curry: open or close. 1593 01:38:40,440 --> 01:38:44,400 Dave Jones: And I so then I just sum all this stuff together, I 1594 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,950 take all the all the the invoices, everything all the 1595 01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:51,360 invoices, as a as a positive as income, everything about the 1596 01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:59,580 payments as as an as an expense or as reducing income. For the 1597 01:38:59,580 --> 01:39:05,040 forwards as income and the Senate and the fees, excuse me 1598 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,560 the received and the fees, you just take those accordingly. So 1599 01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:10,080 you basically just you can just you can take this thing and just 1600 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:13,050 stick it in a huge spreadsheet and just just sum it all when 1601 01:39:13,050 --> 01:39:17,970 you get in and it exports all the Fiat values. What, how much 1602 01:39:17,970 --> 01:39:21,300 it was worth that day. So for every transaction that's got the 1603 01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:24,750 dollar amount of what it was worth that day. So I do that and 1604 01:39:24,750 --> 01:39:28,320 send it to our accountant. It sounds complicated to explain, 1605 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:32,010 but if you see it is just really not that hard. 1606 01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:34,260 Adam Curry: Now the best thing is you do it. This is what I 1607 01:39:34,260 --> 01:39:39,600 love about it. Brother, thank you so much. I'm so happy you do 1608 01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:39,900 that. 1609 01:39:40,290 --> 01:39:44,460 Dave Jones: By the way. It's worth noting. We did we did have 1610 01:39:44,460 --> 01:39:48,990 to you know file our tax return $750 for the tax prep fee. 1611 01:39:49,980 --> 01:39:53,220 Adam Curry: No, it's actually more because I had to ask our 1612 01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:58,950 law firm if we had correctly filed and close everything in 1613 01:39:58,950 --> 01:40:02,190 the state of Washington. soon. Did they charge you an hour for 1614 01:40:02,370 --> 01:40:06,930 $368? Brother? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. 1615 01:40:06,959 --> 01:40:10,469 Dave Jones: 1000 bucks for tax prep. Now. Yeah. Ouch. 1616 01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:14,220 Adam Curry: Now we know 8888 From Fletcher. Thank you brother 1617 01:40:14,250 --> 01:40:18,330 Chad F eight. Oh, he says it's a Bookstagram Yeah, we got you. 1618 01:40:18,540 --> 01:40:21,840 There's Dred Scott with a one to one to one two. We need to we 1619 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,920 need a name for that kind of boost. That was his boosting 1620 01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,060 bigger for more namespace talk. And you got it. Another NBA get 1621 01:40:30,090 --> 01:40:34,680 another Bookstagram from Chad F. We got well, there was a Dred 1622 01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:41,370 Scott One to One to One. Darrin No, we gave him a big baller for 1623 01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:45,270 the one on one on one. Oh. Another big payment. Y'all are 1624 01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:48,690 awesome. Play the big baller jingle to annoy sir bemrose 1625 01:40:48,690 --> 01:40:56,730 Please go pod. I guess he hates it. 111 stats from some quack 1626 01:40:56,790 --> 01:41:00,960 que Dobie das 25,000 We appreciate that bore log with 1627 01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:08,250 10,000 There's the Fletcher the Satoshi slam with 88,888 1628 01:41:08,250 --> 01:41:13,440 Blueberry was 6969 Why we Zawawi I want a smartcast Okay, okay. 1629 01:41:14,580 --> 01:41:20,610 Eric p p 33,333. Satoshis bigger than fed coin a Fed now coin. 1630 01:41:21,390 --> 01:41:25,380 We've got to talk about that. Hey, hopefully we'll be okay now 1631 01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:28,860 the Fed now for your booster grams. I can see critical and 1632 01:41:28,860 --> 01:41:33,330 getting ready. Dred Scott one to one to one with that was his 1633 01:41:33,330 --> 01:41:37,410 test right? We got boost from the pre boost than we have 6969 1634 01:41:37,410 --> 01:41:40,170 from a citizen raised his hand live ready to get lit. This is 1635 01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:47,970 just before we started. We got let's see Pfeiffer with striper 1636 01:41:47,970 --> 01:41:51,600 boost. 7777 Howdy, Adam and Dave, thank you for your 1637 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,490 courage. PSF Dave likes green likes the green sky or GreenSky. 1638 01:41:56,490 --> 01:41:57,240 Green sky. 1639 01:41:58,110 --> 01:41:59,220 Dave Jones: Green Sky Blue Grass. 1640 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,800 Adam Curry: I guess we have a show on the no agenda stream 1641 01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:06,360 Sunday mornings for that yo. Some kind of music maybe I'm not 1642 01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:06,750 sure. 1643 01:42:07,290 --> 01:42:08,490 Dave Jones: Green sky bluegrass. 1644 01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,450 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, there you go. That's what we were boosted 1645 01:42:12,450 --> 01:42:15,060 and pre boosted. Thank you all so much, Dave. I'm sure you have 1646 01:42:15,090 --> 01:42:16,470 many more that we can think 1647 01:42:17,070 --> 01:42:20,400 Dave Jones: we have one. donation to PayPal. 1648 01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:23,069 Adam Curry: That's all whipped. That's one too many really? I 1649 01:42:23,069 --> 01:42:26,759 mean, for the conversion, but we appreciate it. 1650 01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:29,400 Dave Jones: $20 from Curtis Peterson Thank you, Curtis. 1651 01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,550 Thank you Curtis shade, appreciate it. No note he Curtis 1652 01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:36,660 did not leave a note. We got one on one on one from C Dubs. 1653 01:42:37,230 --> 01:42:40,920 Through podcast index website and he just has a little ASCII 1654 01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:43,350 emoji. He says Yeah. Did anyone 1655 01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:46,920 Adam Curry: ever look at the at the get Alby multiple approval 1656 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:50,790 budget flow process that we talked about on the last show? 1657 01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:53,490 Dave Jones: If they did, they did not tell me Okay, so 1658 01:42:53,550 --> 01:42:55,470 Adam Curry: I do not know. I'm just raising my hand again. 1659 01:42:55,470 --> 01:42:58,350 That's kind of confusing for new people. And it kind of kind of 1660 01:42:58,350 --> 01:43:00,240 ignores the splits often. 1661 01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,290 Dave Jones: Steve Webb oh gee God caster 7777 striper boost, 1662 01:43:04,290 --> 01:43:07,140 he says hi guys, just checking in from last ring media Central. 1663 01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:08,160 Go podcasting. 1664 01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:14,130 Adam Curry: And, you know, his, his daily Bible is very often in 1665 01:43:14,130 --> 01:43:18,600 the fountain top 10 podcast. top of the charts. Yeah. Good to see 1666 01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:18,690 you. 1667 01:43:20,250 --> 01:43:22,410 Dave Jones: Steve Webb back again. And he said in 77. He 1668 01:43:22,410 --> 01:43:26,100 says, I know the guy who brought the striper guys to the Lord. As 1669 01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:28,800 far as I know. He's still in contact with Michael Sweet. I'll 1670 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,200 see if I can let him know about the striper booths. All right. 1671 01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:33,120 The funny Hey, wouldn't it 1672 01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,490 Adam Curry: be great to get striper on value for value? 1673 01:43:37,980 --> 01:43:39,750 Dave Jones: Man if they could pull that off? That would be 1674 01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:40,500 hilarious. 1675 01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:43,200 Adam Curry: Yeah. It would be the best and we should get 1676 01:43:43,230 --> 01:43:46,800 striper. Lilian X. Who else what else can we rope into 1677 01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,040 Dave Jones: the Lillian axon the you can you can evangelize. I 1678 01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:50,700 can try. 1679 01:43:50,730 --> 01:43:52,890 Adam Curry: I mean, they got they got real label deals, but 1680 01:43:52,890 --> 01:43:55,590 if they can play outside their label deal Yeah, why not? 1681 01:43:56,430 --> 01:43:59,340 Dave Jones: Macintosh 2100 SATs he says Dave Cypress did the 1682 01:43:59,340 --> 01:44:02,460 bank haircut. I don't remember the details. But it was a fail. 1683 01:44:02,970 --> 01:44:06,450 Fail in situation and accounts had a percentage removed to save 1684 01:44:06,450 --> 01:44:07,500 the quote system. 1685 01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:08,850 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah, that's a bail in. 1686 01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:10,650 Dave Jones: There's a Balian. Okay. Yeah. 1687 01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:13,919 Adam Curry: I remember that. We had no agenda stream, no agenda 1688 01:44:13,919 --> 01:44:19,859 had Mr. Oil. And Mr. Oil was a huge supporter of the of the 1689 01:44:19,859 --> 01:44:24,149 podcast. And he got he had like, at some point, he had a Bitcoin 1690 01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:28,919 mining pool set up. And he was he was just going but he taught 1691 01:44:28,919 --> 01:44:32,189 me a lot about pipelines. And then all of a sudden, Mr. Oil 1692 01:44:32,189 --> 01:44:36,149 was like freaking out. Let's go. And he's Russian, I think. And, 1693 01:44:36,389 --> 01:44:39,419 I mean, Cyprus, they're stealing our money. The bank is stealing 1694 01:44:39,419 --> 01:44:42,989 our money and they literally went there personally, to try 1695 01:44:42,989 --> 01:44:47,939 and get their money out in cash out of the Cyprus bank, and they 1696 01:44:47,939 --> 01:44:50,579 did not get all of it. There was a bail in and they lost, I 1697 01:44:50,579 --> 01:44:54,449 think, sufficient amount of money. And I haven't really 1698 01:44:54,449 --> 01:44:55,859 heard from Mr. Oil since 1699 01:44:56,910 --> 01:44:59,310 Dave Jones: he out. He lost an oligarch I think 1700 01:44:59,310 --> 01:45:00,120 Adam Curry: so I think for 1701 01:45:01,380 --> 01:45:04,710 Dave Jones: mere mortals podcast 20 to 22 the row of ducks they 1702 01:45:04,710 --> 01:45:08,400 found Denise's fun story on Perth Mint. I used to own shares 1703 01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:12,090 in them as some exposure to gold. One day in 2019 I woke up 1704 01:45:12,090 --> 01:45:15,210 and found that they had literally taken away one share 1705 01:45:15,330 --> 01:45:19,140 of the 100 owned called up the ASX and they were extremely 1706 01:45:19,140 --> 01:45:22,080 shaky and whether it was legal to do that some BS about 1707 01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:25,530 administration rollback blah blah, are dodgy through and 1708 01:45:25,530 --> 01:45:25,950 through 1709 01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:34,110 Adam Curry: Wow reduction ground report from from Down Under Wow. 1710 01:45:34,230 --> 01:45:38,820 So those guys have been scammers all along. Not just a diluting 1711 01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:39,480 the gold 1712 01:45:43,170 --> 01:45:45,540 Dave Jones: let's see we got 10,000 SATs from Dave Jackson 1713 01:45:45,540 --> 01:45:47,910 the school of podcasting says love the stats page check out 1714 01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:51,660 the newly rebranded future of podcasting.net. Yes with myself 1715 01:45:51,660 --> 01:45:52,950 and Daniel J. Lewis. 1716 01:45:52,980 --> 01:45:55,140 Adam Curry: I liked that show a lot. Yeah, it's a great show. I 1717 01:45:55,140 --> 01:45:56,400 like that show a lot. Yeah. 1718 01:45:57,180 --> 01:46:00,360 Dave Jones: Mike Dell, getting in on the striper action 77 7070 1719 01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:03,810 pod verse he says leaving Vegas boost listing at the airport. 1720 01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:09,900 Boost boost boost gene ever 3333 through fountain he says boost 1721 01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:18,420 pneumatic coder 5555 through pod verse he says I listened to 1722 01:46:18,420 --> 01:46:22,710 podcasts with shucks bone conducting headset. In December 1723 01:46:22,710 --> 01:46:25,770 I developed headaches for my jaw that lasted three months. I 1724 01:46:25,770 --> 01:46:28,110 couldn't figure out why until you started talking about pots 1725 01:46:28,110 --> 01:46:32,040 beading. I realized it may have been caused by listening at 1.5x 1726 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:36,300 for no problems when I listened that 1x ADAM You saved my life. 1727 01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,140 Adam Curry: Another life saved or created right? 1728 01:46:40,590 --> 01:46:41,610 Dave Jones: There's been 1729 01:46:42,750 --> 01:46:45,870 Adam Curry: no I was gonna say we have cured him from pod the 1730 01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:47,370 pod speeding use disorder. 1731 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:51,540 Dave Jones: Yeah, that's right. Yep, yep. Now he's just a nice 1732 01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:58,920 just to pull. It's not a disorder, I guess. Per gene been 1733 01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:03,390 33 See me 1337 lead booster cast medic, he says regarding the 1734 01:47:03,390 --> 01:47:06,690 chat on the tag for channels as a listener. I like the idea of 1735 01:47:06,690 --> 01:47:09,240 making it easier to find other shows from a network whose 1736 01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,720 podcasts I'm already listening to. This proposal sounds like a 1737 01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:16,140 way that could easily happen in app instead of going out of the 1738 01:47:16,140 --> 01:47:18,660 podcast app going back to the website and then back to the 1739 01:47:18,660 --> 01:47:19,410 podcast app. 1740 01:47:19,469 --> 01:47:22,739 Adam Curry: Whoa, whoa whoa whoa, you got to fly that by me 1741 01:47:22,739 --> 01:47:23,099 again. 1742 01:47:24,059 --> 01:47:26,369 Dave Jones: Now he's he's saying he likes the idea because you 1743 01:47:26,369 --> 01:47:32,339 can pull the the it keeps you in the flow podcast app can bring 1744 01:47:32,339 --> 01:47:35,309 that those recommendations to you instead of urine go find 1745 01:47:35,309 --> 01:47:35,849 them Sure. 1746 01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:36,840 Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. 1747 01:47:37,950 --> 01:47:40,980 Dave Jones: Khalil 10,000 SATs through founding says as a 1748 01:47:40,980 --> 01:47:43,830 musician myself all that talk about music podcasts got me all 1749 01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:48,600 hot and bothered. I might have to might have to build one of 1750 01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:52,380 those music apps so I can sit still again. Go podcasting. How 1751 01:47:52,380 --> 01:47:53,010 you doing boost 1752 01:47:53,190 --> 01:47:56,190 Adam Curry: podcast. All right. Sounds 1753 01:47:57,900 --> 01:48:00,660 Dave Jones: good. You I guess so that would be a good looking at 1754 01:48:00,660 --> 01:48:03,240 Adam Curry: but Oh, yeah. Well, we can use that and for sure. 1755 01:48:03,690 --> 01:48:06,870 Dave Jones: Yeah. Mere Mortals podcast Karen back again. 2223 1756 01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:09,780 Fountain he says I held out as long as I could. Where can I get 1757 01:48:09,780 --> 01:48:12,570 the bootleg copy of this infamous DJ said that I've heard 1758 01:48:12,570 --> 01:48:15,960 only contains Non copyrighted music. Well, you can't it's not 1759 01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:16,380 available. 1760 01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:18,450 Adam Curry: Yes, it was. I'm sorry. It's just not available 1761 01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:19,650 for anyone. It's just not 1762 01:48:19,740 --> 01:48:25,500 Dave Jones: the arrow statica 2376 He says I own V for V 1763 01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:29,130 player.com I'd be happy to donate it to podcast index.org 1764 01:48:30,570 --> 01:48:37,950 Adam Curry: Um I would I wouldn't. I would hold on to 1765 01:48:37,950 --> 01:48:40,320 that. No, 1766 01:48:40,620 --> 01:48:43,230 Dave Jones: she wait for I don't really have a good use for it 1767 01:48:43,230 --> 01:48:43,680 right now. 1768 01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:52,860 Adam Curry: Maybe V for replay ya play.com But hold on to a man 1769 01:48:52,860 --> 01:48:55,110 you so much. Someone will want that terminal one time. 1770 01:48:55,650 --> 01:48:58,650 Dave Jones: aerostatic again, 12,000 sets through felting 200 1771 01:48:58,650 --> 01:49:03,090 sets emitted equals 12,000 sets an hour equals about $2 on 1772 01:49:03,090 --> 01:49:06,480 312 23 That's fair for an hour of entertainment. 1773 01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:09,240 Adam Curry: Well that's my standard and then I'll move on 1774 01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:13,770 to this I've been boosting less and I'm trying to not boost all 1775 01:49:13,770 --> 01:49:17,880 the shows all the time because I'm sick of hearing myself in 1776 01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:19,680 the in the booster gram segments. 1777 01:49:20,010 --> 01:49:22,530 Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah for you. And you know it's just like here 1778 01:49:22,530 --> 01:49:23,010 need to 1779 01:49:24,150 --> 01:49:29,910 Adam Curry: I deserve that. I deserve that. Well, your wishes 1780 01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:33,090 granted everyone's poor now I'm not boosting anymore. No more 1781 01:49:33,090 --> 01:49:35,250 beer at Podcast Movement contagion. 1782 01:49:36,180 --> 01:49:39,930 Dave Jones: Joe W recessional Richards through fountain No. 1783 01:49:40,290 --> 01:49:45,210 Note. Clerk. I'm glad he didn't stick a note down in his satchel 1784 01:49:45,210 --> 01:49:47,520 Richard because then I'd have to dig it. Oh, you don't want to do 1785 01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,870 that? No, no, no, no, no. Clarkie in 25,000 says he says 1786 01:49:51,870 --> 01:49:55,050 new episode of GG no read the indie podcast should have 1787 01:49:55,050 --> 01:49:58,020 dropped this past week. All nerds please support K Thanks. 1788 01:49:58,020 --> 01:49:58,710 Bye 1789 01:49:58,710 --> 01:50:01,290 Adam Curry: bye. Hey thanks for 1790 01:50:01,620 --> 01:50:06,600 Dave Jones: Nicolas be 58 21,000 SATs for fountain premium let's 1791 01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:12,270 effing go podcasting. No No Yeah, 1792 01:50:13,559 --> 01:50:16,019 Adam Curry: we support we want you to support the podcast apps 1793 01:50:16,019 --> 01:50:18,719 if you're doing premium then I think fountain takes away your 1794 01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:22,619 your fountain fee right. That's a great way to do it. By the 1795 01:50:22,619 --> 01:50:23,429 way, I think it's great. 1796 01:50:24,059 --> 01:50:26,459 Dave Jones: Nicholas BVBA is back again when he says another 1797 01:50:26,459 --> 01:50:31,949 one just for fun. Well, thank you 21,000 says, boost chat F 1798 01:50:31,949 --> 01:50:36,179 31415 pod verse he says Pi Day donation. 1799 01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:39,480 Adam Curry: Oh, beautiful, beautiful. 1800 01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,710 Dave Jones: Coal McCormick 3333 through fountain he says You 1801 01:50:43,710 --> 01:50:50,220 guys should look into the ordinals protocol and see 1802 01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:53,160 alignment with podcasting. 2.0 the ability to transcribe a 1803 01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,620 Satoshi with media feels super important. 1804 01:50:57,660 --> 01:51:02,370 Adam Curry: You know, I'm not so sure. Yeah, it's very expensive. 1805 01:51:04,110 --> 01:51:08,250 Dave Jones: Cola Mona. Do 20 is do 20,000 SATs status is is 1806 01:51:08,250 --> 01:51:10,470 great show love you guys sir. libera. 1807 01:51:10,650 --> 01:51:14,430 Adam Curry: Bow man. People thrown big, big, big bunches of 1808 01:51:14,430 --> 01:51:17,580 satis I'm premorbid budgets 1809 01:51:17,580 --> 01:51:20,280 Dave Jones: come in Kevin bass 70,000 SATs the founding 1810 01:51:21,420 --> 01:51:23,820 reopening a channel to me. Here's your kick back go 1811 01:51:23,820 --> 01:51:24,510 podcasting. 1812 01:51:24,540 --> 01:51:28,290 Adam Curry: Oh, that's nice. Didn't have to do that. Now. We 1813 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,860 were happy to open channels anyone who needs it just try not 1814 01:51:31,860 --> 01:51:35,580 to get zapped through it which I think he I think he actually 1815 01:51:35,580 --> 01:51:40,710 opened two or 50k SATs to us. Because he got he got tour he 1816 01:51:40,710 --> 01:51:43,260 got kicked off during the Zappa Palooza 1817 01:51:43,770 --> 01:51:44,190 Dave Jones: that 1818 01:51:44,190 --> 01:51:48,210 Adam Curry: this happening is happening. And so I opened a 1819 01:51:48,210 --> 01:51:50,850 500,000 back to him but that's fine. But anyway, thank you very 1820 01:51:50,850 --> 01:51:53,760 much, but you don't have to do that. And again, that's why we 1821 01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:58,320 keep all of all sides that come in. Do not leave the podcast 1822 01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,800 index note and we use it for routing at cheap rates best 1823 01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:02,160 price 1824 01:52:02,820 --> 01:52:06,270 Dave Jones: it's like a bailout plan just like everybody every 1825 01:52:06,300 --> 01:52:08,640 year it's like a bail in everybody boost the show so that 1826 01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,030 we can before the feast open channels to everybody to 1827 01:52:12,030 --> 01:52:15,780 Adam Curry: bail in. Boosting is a bail and I love it. Good one. 1828 01:52:16,410 --> 01:52:18,990 Dave Jones: For log 80,000 SATs through pod verse he says all 1829 01:52:18,990 --> 01:52:21,030 your hard work is much appreciated. All I can say to 1830 01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:23,730 both of you is thank you again for this project. Welcome. 1831 01:52:24,150 --> 01:52:26,370 Adam Curry: Lots of people working on it, man. Thank you. 1832 01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:26,610 Yeah, 1833 01:52:26,610 --> 01:52:30,930 Dave Jones: lots of people. Let's see him. 1776 He says 1834 01:52:30,930 --> 01:52:35,220 thanks for the book tip on the Fed. Liberty boost of 1776 Have 1835 01:52:35,220 --> 01:52:39,360 you read books by John Baptiste Say best premises learn Linda 1836 01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,130 Scott and Martin Linda Scott No I have not No I 1837 01:52:41,130 --> 01:52:47,280 Adam Curry: have not either. So much to read so much. Yes, it's 1838 01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:49,950 hard. I've actually gone to some audio books while driving in the 1839 01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:52,650 car you know supplanting podcasting just so I can get a 1840 01:52:52,650 --> 01:52:53,220 book in 1841 01:52:54,270 --> 01:52:56,910 Dave Jones: I'm not ready to jump at the say but I have read 1842 01:52:56,910 --> 01:53:01,800 Frederick busty out and to me that's it Asik if nobody has 1843 01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:06,900 read the if you haven't read the law, you must read the law. It 1844 01:53:06,900 --> 01:53:14,400 is the moral substrate for every thing that every thought about 1845 01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,410 government to me, it's it's 1846 01:53:16,410 --> 01:53:18,840 Adam Curry: that empower. Okay, the law. Got it. Yeah. 1847 01:53:19,980 --> 01:53:23,910 Dave Jones: Comic Strip blogger, the delimiters 30 3015. Through 1848 01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:28,020 fountain he says, delectable Dave and advancing Adam. You're 1849 01:53:28,020 --> 01:53:31,050 all inspiring endeavors are a sleeping giant, patiently 1850 01:53:31,050 --> 01:53:34,500 awaiting the implosion of a debased media. Thankful 1851 01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:37,860 podcasting Power Rangers of getting no nation are enabled by 1852 01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:42,330 your work to spread info sanely across the realm, including go 1853 01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:46,080 getter Gregory Forman, with the AI dot cooking show, which 1854 01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:49,890 documents alleged artificial intelligence as it is used to 1855 01:53:49,890 --> 01:53:52,680 hypnotize humanity. Yo CSB. 1856 01:53:53,970 --> 01:53:57,570 Adam Curry: Podcasting Power Rangers I like that. That's a 1857 01:53:57,570 --> 01:54:00,810 show title. Alliteration is everything in my book. Thanks 1858 01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:04,320 comics your blog and he just he boosts every single show I do me 1859 01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:07,290 he we should have the comics your blogger channel all the 1860 01:54:07,290 --> 01:54:11,220 shows the connoisseur blogger boosts that's a good that's a 1861 01:54:11,220 --> 01:54:13,860 great is that a valid use for a channel? Can we do that? 1862 01:54:14,430 --> 01:54:15,420 Dave Jones: 100% 1863 01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:16,530 Adam Curry: Oh 1864 01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:25,740 you did it. You did it. I had a cued up to fire. 1865 01:54:27,690 --> 01:54:31,170 Dave Jones: Monthly killer by dollars. Jeffrey Retford. $5 1866 01:54:31,170 --> 01:54:36,570 Chris cow, and $5 Jeremy Kevin all $10 Derek J Fisker. My 1867 01:54:36,570 --> 01:54:43,470 favorite name $21 Paul Saltzman $22.22 David Norman $25 Daymond 1868 01:54:43,470 --> 01:54:48,510 Cassie Jack $15 and Jeremy gerdts $5 That's our group Thank 1869 01:54:48,510 --> 01:54:51,450 Adam Curry: you very much monthly Thank you boosters Thank 1870 01:54:51,450 --> 01:54:55,320 you pay powers. Everybody not let you know I have a bad 1871 01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:58,200 feeling about drugs. Because you know he's just going to do some 1872 01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,600 talent. We'll make sure no, we didn't do a tally Coyne all of a 1873 01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,330 sudden, he promised he promised to please don't because I'm 1874 01:55:03,330 --> 01:55:06,570 gonna close it now we won't see it if you do it. Thank you all 1875 01:55:06,570 --> 01:55:10,380 so much. It's really appreciated. And it keeps me It 1876 01:55:10,380 --> 01:55:13,950 keeps us going. And really does. We actually, I mean, I'm just 1877 01:55:13,950 --> 01:55:17,460 gonna say I would love to upgrade some of our hardware, if 1878 01:55:17,460 --> 01:55:22,440 only for the issue that we've seen over the past week, which 1879 01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:30,420 is a large queue backed up because of the over huge usage 1880 01:55:30,450 --> 01:55:34,470 of Ponting. And here's what happened for me twice. Actually, 1881 01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:38,310 it happened to happen with Corinne, the keeper. But it's a 1882 01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:42,150 little more pronounced when it happens to no agenda. So on 1883 01:55:42,150 --> 01:55:46,860 Sunday, Sunday, but today, no Thursday yesterday, produced no 1884 01:55:46,860 --> 01:55:53,940 agenda. Now by request. I, I first I send out the tweet and 1885 01:55:53,940 --> 01:55:58,890 the tute. And then I grabbed the URL of the tooth or no agenda, 1886 01:55:58,890 --> 01:56:05,070 social and use that as the social interact route post, 1887 01:56:06,210 --> 01:56:09,630 which makes sense. And I think people very smart to say, hey, 1888 01:56:09,630 --> 01:56:12,300 why don't you do it here? Why do you create a new post, we get 1889 01:56:12,330 --> 01:56:17,160 just two things now. And so I did that, and I ping the pod 1890 01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:22,920 ping. And then it just wasn't updating. And what you get then 1891 01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:26,370 is people have seen that tute or the tweet and they want to get 1892 01:56:26,370 --> 01:56:30,630 it in their app. And then they get mad at me they're so spoiled 1893 01:56:30,630 --> 01:56:36,900 by the 92nd update. Like yeah, it's not bloated to found him 1894 01:56:36,930 --> 01:56:40,710 You didn't upload it to pod verse. He's not working on Casta 1895 01:56:40,710 --> 01:56:47,520 manic like what am I gonna do? I don't know what to do. And it's 1896 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:52,230 like 1112 13 minutes and like so I hit the pod ping again. I see 1897 01:56:52,230 --> 01:56:57,330 it come through like it's coming through. But there was just a 1898 01:56:57,330 --> 01:57:02,130 backup you had we had like 900 shows in the queue because of 1899 01:57:02,130 --> 01:57:05,070 something Buzzsprout was doing I mean, that which is valid I 1900 01:57:05,070 --> 01:57:07,890 don't know what they were doing but it doesn't matter. We just 1901 01:57:07,890 --> 01:57:09,330 had a backup massive. 1902 01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:13,500 Dave Jones: This will it's not it's it's not worth focusing on 1903 01:57:13,500 --> 01:57:16,890 because this will be fixed. Without without throwing 1904 01:57:16,890 --> 01:57:17,340 hardware. 1905 01:57:17,370 --> 01:57:20,070 Adam Curry: Okay, here I am trying to get you bigger 1906 01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:26,100 hardware. I mean, what an ally up and fumbles the ball What do 1907 01:57:26,100 --> 01:57:27,360 you call it? A basketball 1908 01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:38,250 Dave Jones: good one. You really nailed that right? Yeah. It's 1909 01:57:38,250 --> 01:57:39,570 three pointer touchdown. 1910 01:57:42,900 --> 01:57:44,610 Adam Curry: So we don't need 1911 01:57:46,260 --> 01:57:51,090 Dave Jones: my my desire for bigger hardware. Does not over 1912 01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:55,260 does not does not override my desire for small budgets. 1913 01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:00,030 Adam Curry: With you let us know when we need bigger hardware. 1914 01:58:00,750 --> 01:58:03,060 Dave Jones: Eel, you will know you will? Absolutely no. 1915 01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:05,730 Adam Curry: Does that mean it'll be too late when I know because 1916 01:58:05,730 --> 01:58:06,720 I've been practicing 1917 01:58:06,810 --> 01:58:12,030 Dave Jones: threatening. Formative. You will know. You'll 1918 01:58:12,030 --> 01:58:13,320 know when you get the emails. 1919 01:58:16,590 --> 01:58:18,930 Adam Curry: Alright, man, what else? Anything else for before 1920 01:58:18,930 --> 01:58:20,430 we closed the door on the 1921 01:58:21,420 --> 01:58:24,390 Dave Jones: Nam? Good. We'll we'll talk about good resolver 1922 01:58:24,420 --> 01:58:29,580 once it's once it's awesome. A couple of weeks. And other than 1923 01:58:29,580 --> 01:58:32,460 that, yeah, and I'm good. I'm out of here for now. 1924 01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:35,010 Adam Curry: All right, brother. I hope you feel better. Yeah, 1925 01:58:35,010 --> 01:58:38,790 thanks. Suck. So how's your daughter? She okay. She, she? 1926 01:58:38,820 --> 01:58:43,710 Oh, yes. She's Oh, she's fine. You got it. Okay. All right, 1927 01:58:43,710 --> 01:58:45,510 man. Thank you so much for that. Appreciate it. Have a great 1928 01:58:45,510 --> 01:58:49,290 weekend. Me too. Okay. And of course, chat room. 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