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podcasting trombone over January
13 2023, episode 117 We're

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inscrutable. Well, hello, once
again, it's Friday the 13th Time

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for a board meeting of
podcasting 2.0, where we discuss

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everything that's happening with
the advanced podcasting, the

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future of passive podcasts
within his gear. Now, of course,

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we'll talk about the namespace.
I think we'll definitely discuss

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what's going on podcast index
dot social, and I'm Adam curry

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here in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country in Alabama. Mr.

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helipad himself now with
Birmingham brunches. Say hello

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to my friend on the other end
Mr. Dave Jones.

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You call me eating a tease?

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Well, you know the timing of the
opening. I mean, I know I

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totally misjudged this eat your
cheese on your own time.

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Okay, all right. I'm

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good. Not getting that I get it.
I'm not your keys. Not your

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cheese, bro. Who's

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seen the prize speaking of
speaking of food, have you seen

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egg? Egg pocalypse? The egg
short the national egg shortage

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Oh yeah. Oh, we discussed it in
great length on no agenda

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yesterday. You bet I'll see I'm

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a day late and $1 show and I
can't listen to Thursday's no

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agenda so I never know what
you've already covered. Well, we

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had the backyard chickens came
in handy though.

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You know so. So yes, we were up
to like eight bucks a dozen here

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for for eggs at the at the heb
was an interesting timing for

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the Dvorak publishing company to
release the too many eggs book.

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Not an issue. The appendix A
Volume

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Two not enough eggs. But it was
really based upon them having

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chickens and they just they had
too many chickens in there for

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video chickens lay an egg every
single day. And if you got 10

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chickens you know at the end of
the week, you got 70 eggs to

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deal with. That's a lot unless
you have a big family.

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Okay, we have two chickens. We
had three one of them got killed

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by the hawk. Yeah, for that.
Remember that? So we have we

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have two but sometimes they
sometimes they produce one egg a

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day. Sometimes they produce
three so we're averaging two two

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eggs a day. So by the end of the
week, we have a we have a

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doesn't it? Taenia doesn't
awake.

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How many know how many chickens
you have three to Christina

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really, really wants to have
chickens? I'm like, Do you know

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what that entails? And it's not
just like you have some fun

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chickens. And just go out there
with your little basket in the

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morning. Cloudy daddy down.
Exactly. It's effortless. No.

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hassles. The chickens are
assholes. They do not want you

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rooting around getting their
eggs. At least the ones that I

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had.

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Eyes are Chill, man. totally
chill.

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Well, you got weasels
everywhere. Want to come and eat

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them. We have a dog that would
probably eat him. Yeah, I'm like

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you have no you're good, man.
You can do this. backyard

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chickens.

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You're not on my side. Dave
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will never touch these chickens.
We just we just those have food

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in there. Make sure they get
water. And they just give us

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they give us beautiful that you
have a cool brown eggs if you

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have a coupe form. Yeah. So it's
just like a chicken tractor. So

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you can have like a it's like a
a frame portable thing. And you

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just push it around the yard.
You just move it around every

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Wow. Okay,

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so you'd let them poop in one
spot and they move it to another

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spot.

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Yeah. And then the day is slowly
composts your entire yard and

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makes it beautiful.

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Oh, I

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see. Yeah. Yeah, it's great.
There is easy, man. There's so

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you have children around

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the house who can afford to do
that? You know who's going to be

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doing it? If we'd have chickens
here? It'd be me.

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Yeah, you Yeah. You and Phoebe?
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we'll be

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intently watching waiting for
one of the chickens to she will

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be all over all over in escape.
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although I have to say you know,
we did that three week boot

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camp, man. I am impressed.

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What do you mean boot camp?

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We sent Phoebe to a three week
bootcamp. Oh,

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yeah. You told me about that.
All right.

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I'm impressed. Is she is in

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not barking. Oh, no,

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no, it's she's, well, she has a
command for that. You know, she

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can bark and she I want her to
bark if there's something that

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to bark about. And if I say
quiet then she needs to stop

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barking that we have about a 60%
hit rate on that. Everything

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else. Everything else is almost
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halfway like a football field
away. She'll come. Well, yeah,

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no, that's that was surprising.

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So how old is Phoebe?

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I think about five I'm not sure
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an outdoor ranch dog. You know,
God knows what her what our

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history is. And my favorite is
place. She has a little bed you

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know raised when it was raised
beds. And she right away. She'll

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run over to it she lays down on
and she knows that's where she

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has to stay. So when people come
in. We had eight people over the

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other night including the
pastor's wife who Phoebe tried

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to bite last time fantan Oh,
that's what sent her to boot

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camp believe.

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Yes, first impressions are
great.

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But we didn't under Stan is that
we thought she was just calm but

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she was really the opposite of
calm and just getting really

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more nervous and nervous. And
then when people are leaving and

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standing around her and go by
Phoebe and put your your your

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your, your palm down on top of
her head. She's like, No, no,

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no, no, no, no, she didn't
really bite. She It's scary.

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It's scary for anyone. 200 Sure,
yeah. And 10 pound dog, you

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know. Anyway,

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now she's been Is This the
hardest thing to tell people?

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It's like,

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don't touch my cute dog.

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Yeah, I promise. I promise you
my dog is very sweet. It's like

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it's just the sheer size of it
is intimidating in tears.

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Well to see the problem is
Phoebe has such a cute face and

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was like ah, and they just want
a hugger and rubber and

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everything and you know then if
she if she makes you know, she

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opens her mouth she got a
healthy bark you know? It'll

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it'll change your mind real
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It was a trap dog. Oh, no.

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Well, this is how we got trapped
into take into saving her.

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Oh, oh, yeah. Yes, the trap
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We begin with a battle over
paternity leave.

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maternity leave. I deserve it.
Yeah, listen, man. I should have

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this day off. I have privileged
I have two beautiful Yeah, this

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unit. This is a fact when
Laborat when you rescue a dog,

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then you're like, you know the
heroes of anywhere. So Fletcher

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made this song formula.

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You get cred

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is what it was. Just what it was
crap dog crap dog like a trap

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baby.

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Your doggy daddy is what you
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Yeah, you take her anywhere and
oh, what a beautiful dog

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yesterday. She's a rescue. Oh,
can I have sex with you? I mean,

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that's literally how it goes.
Even if we get one from from an

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official dealer next time no
rescue. Sorry. Dealer told us

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what they are. 1000s of dollars
you get interviewed. I don't

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like that at all.

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You get credit. You get street
cred for that. He got all over

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the place.

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She's going she's about to eat
someone's dog. Um, so she's

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she's a rescue. Okay. It's all
right here. She can I think

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you get more cred on I think you
get more street cred. Today for

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a for a rescue dog than you do
for adopting a child.

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I think you're right. I think
you're right.

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You're like, oh, yeah, we
adopted and they're like, Okay,

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that's great. That you say yeah,
get a rescue dog. Oh, it's so

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beautiful. Y'all are awesome.

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You're going to heaven.

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You're gonna have crowns.

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Speaking of which I set up
pastor Jimmy here in the bridge

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church in Fredericksburg with
his first with this podcast.

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And what is the content of this
podcast? His sermons?

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No, no, no, he's doing a podcast
with the dame a net his his wife

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and it's called well let me tell
I don't want to misquote it.

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I'll tell you exactly what it
is. It does about 45 minutes

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once a week why is it Why is
curio caster not happening for

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me? Hello curio caster

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curio

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Hello curio there we go Hello
curio cash it's called living up

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in a down world Oh yeah, no Oh
no, I I hooked him up I got Jeff

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Smith to do to do an opening
jingle hey

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no know. He's like right out of
the gate. first podcast. This is

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too much privilege. He's got to
earn it the hard way. So I

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expect to hear Okay, welcome to
our podcast

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close in. Very interesting. You
say that because of course, I

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said look, I'm going to put the
first couple of them together

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for you. You know, I'll get the
sound right. They have some

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issues with you know, the room
was a little gloomy. He's a

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musician so he understands doing
stuff. But yeah, he This isn't

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this is my main note to him
before you start the show. You

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gotta listen to the jingle and
get into the mood here.

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This is Jimmy Pruitt and Annette
Pruitt and we are living up and

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down world's not in the mood.

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He's not quite in the groove not
in the groove. Exactly.

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You gotta listen to 100% Retro
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So I you know, so I said look, I
want you to learn how to watch

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this. I want to learn how to do
everything I want to do I want

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to learn how to do everything.
And he wants value for value and

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everything going on. So I say
why don't you try rss.com

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Because they have a real simple
partnership with with Albie, and

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you'll be able to set any say
all that went well. I'll set it

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all up and everything. And then
when it came to transcripts, it

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was very confusing. I don't know
if rss.com is doing them, right,

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because they have this box and
you're supposed to paste it in

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there. And so I random URL of
the file No, no, the trans the

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transcript. And it's very thin
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supposed to be an SRT file or
what it is. So I basically baked

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an SRT file. So here you go.
Paste it now it doesn't show up.

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So I'm not sure I'm not even
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have it as an actual if they're
implementing it correctly, it

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was disturbing. So I'm I got to
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but here we go living up in a
down world. Federal index.

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That's That's all. Downside. 004

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By the way, very pleasant. He he
published the first episode

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showed up through the magic of
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like within five minutes.

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So you did so you didn't even
add the feed to the index? Nope.

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Nope. sucked it in sucked

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in and right away. That was that
was very pleasant. live inside

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see one split?

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I think that well, that split
will be for Jeff Smith probably

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says living up and down world is
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Oh, no. Oh, wait, wait, wait,
no, maybe there's no split in

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there that that I got to work on
all that. I don't think the

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split is in yet.

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And on that's Well, this brings
up a good point. Because I'm

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exploring this, this new
podcast, you know, like, because

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it's when you see the money, we
see the birth of a new podcast,

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it's a time of joy. And yes.
exploration. And it's

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interesting to me that I wonder
if rss.com can do splits. See,

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that's gonna be the issue. Well,
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the split for a second. And
forget, Okay, forget and forget

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the split the transcript
transcript is it's, it's wrong.

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And and you know, now I'm kind
of regretting should we should

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I've sent them to rss.com?
Because if they can't do splits,

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you know, let's

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see. Let me look in

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what we don't have. We don't
have to deconstruct the whole

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thing. What I did

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do, though, here's it here's a
okay, they are they've taken the

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And the jam, they're in
somewhere else haven't? They've,

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it's got

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a URL of its own
apollo.rss.com/transcriptions/seven 72911.

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Okay. So then the type is, is
text slash plain? Which is, but

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if you Okay, we just

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the SRT file with the with the
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So here's a here's a, here's a
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transcript. Because if you click
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what you get is a is a string of
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slash keys dot open
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transcript here. It's just a
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somebody pasted something wrong
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Well, I'm gonna have to dive
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just as not a private key if
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wouldn't be my private key.

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What even is this? What is what
I don't know is that open PGP?

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I don't know. I know I copied
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from otter.ai

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If this is otters transcript
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because this is not This is
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Okay. Well, that's all stuff I
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anyway, yeah, there's no splits
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Maybe they can maybe they can't
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I honestly I don't I haven't a
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did it all himself, which I'm
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like, oh, man, that that worked.
I'm just kind of walking him

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through when he has a question.
But we have a we have a call

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setup for Monday.

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Okay, Nathan, Nathan gather I
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rss.com Transcript UI looks like
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that will be included in your
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nobody down the below it says
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and I sent him the text the full
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the time codes every two lines
the way I do it for everything

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that did not end up in the right
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stuff to work on anyway. It was
reasonably pleasant. But just

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hadn't figured out I hadn't done
the I hadn't looked into the

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split yet. But I have to do that
for Jeff Smith because he did

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The opening and that's the deal,
right? If he gets a percentage,

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let's see and value for value he
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value blog. Real time I'm asking
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splits.

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Dred Scott says if you open the
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C's public key word. He probably
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you emailed him the transcript
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my public your public key. Jesus
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me some solace here. To work on
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Very public key into a
transcript. Water into one But

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isn't it interesting how, how
things can you know how people

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interpret stuff, right? It's
like landing the plane Tesla

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teaching the stewardess how to
fly the plane. Oh, anyway.

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I've done Microsoft Flight
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Anyway, you know who's not going
to have gonna have a problem

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with any of that. Oh, wait,
before I go there before I

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wanted to set the record
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last week's pod news weekly
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Sam Sethi. And James
misinterpreted that the story

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was that there are some hosting
companies who are serving a

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separate RSS version to Spotify.
That includes chapters in the

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way Spotify wants them. Yeah,
with the dumb marker thing. And

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my comment was, that's rude. And
it's counterproductive to

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everything we're doing. Now
James immediately thought I was

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talking about him. But I wasn't.
Oh, I don't remember which

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hosting companies are doing
this. But I think that's really

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a shitty thing to do. Honestly.

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They don't care. They don't get
they are they they're losing.

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They're losing their shirt

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that nobody is talking about
Spotify. I'm talking about the

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hosting company that did this.
There's a hosting comm or two

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hosting companies who specially
for Spotify are sucking them off

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and giving them a special
version. So you can use chapters

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on Spotify. That's pisses me

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off. Oh, yeah. You'd say yeah,
you think you should? They

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should have just given them the
cold shoulder.

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Yeah. eff off. Because if you do
that, that, you know, why just

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do everything Spotify wants,
they're not going to buy you

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okay. Yeah, yeah, there might
have been might have been

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Captivate, I'm not sure I can't
remember who it was doesn't

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really matter. It's just I just,
I just want to make the point.

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That that's not cool. Now, they
don't love you, okay, they don't

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care about you. They're not
going to do anything for you.

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And all you're doing is
counterproductive to the actual

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standard that we're using.

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The issue there is that they
don't give anything. They don't

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don't do anything for anybody
else. Why would we do anything

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for them? I just it's not a two
way street. You know, I mean,

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like, where's the when's the
last time Spotify gave us an

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awesome, open standard that we
could all adopt and use now, but

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this is they don't know what
they do.

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Know. But the issue is much
deeper for me. We these chapters

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didn't even exist. And now, you
know, now there's companies were

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like, Oh, well, you know,
Spotify wants to do it this way.

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Well, that's how you does it.
Some people love Yes. He says

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some people love the YouTube
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it just GenX up.

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You can't you can't do you can't
do your proper trance. You can't

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do a proper titles. You can't do
proper images, a whole bunch of

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stuff you can't do?

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Well, let's just say okay, let's
let's go down. Let's say this,

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right, instead of chat. Okay,
chapters, all you have to do is

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put a bunch of timestamps into
your, into your show notes, and

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then we can and then we'll parse
those out and create the

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chapters from that. So see
there, you know, that's great.

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It's, it's wonderful. Okay, what
about transcripts, put your

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entire transcript in your show
notes, and we'll parse out all

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the timestamps and do all and do
all this kind of stuff. Okay,

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what about you know,

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value for value, value

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value? All that crap? Why are we
parsing stuff out of show notes?

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Yeah. It's like, it's like,
Okay, dump all of this

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unstructured data?

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No, but no, but what I
understand they're literally

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taking the chapter file, and
then dumping it into show notes

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with time codes for Spotify. Ya

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know, so that it looks like
crap. The proper way to do that,

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in me proper in as far as like,
with some elegance to it is to

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take is to just sit Port and
actual structured schema file

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and pull though. And if you want
to display the chapters as

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markers in a text fashion, just
parse that, that thing that's

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already there, then display them
in the show notes if you want

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that don't do it the other way
around.

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But the reason that whoever's
doing this, the reason they're

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doing it is because they, it's
marketing, hey, we are chapters

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work in Spotify. And what
happens then is then the next

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hosting companies like well, you
know, people are going there,

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because their chapters work in
Spotify to new thing on Spotify,

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we better

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do it, but nobody gives

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a crap was clearly someone to
us.

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And nobody gives a crap about
whether their chapters work on

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Spotify, if you can, I will make
this I will make this bold

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prediction, if you are not is no
this is not prediction. This is

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a bold state, there's a
statement. I'm going to, I'm

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going to declare this. If you
care at all about fill in the

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blank thing about podcasting and
Spotify. If you are a podcaster,

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and you care about x in Spotify.
It's not it doesn't have

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anything to do with with
chapters, I can promise you

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that, oh, you care about like
monetizing, or it's all it's all

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the square ads or whatever. You
don't give a crap about

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features. Nobody's putting all
the stuff that they that they're

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spending time on. Polls, q&a,
nobody uses that stuff. Nobody

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cares. Because I mean, the only
people that are on Spotify are

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just trying to make a buck.

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No, I disagree that people are
on Spotify, because they believe

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that the audience is on Spotify,
which of course, there is a

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large portion of people who
listen to podcasts on Spotify,

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but nobody pays for them there.
They also as a whole ad

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supported, there's no there's
no, there's nothing. Nobody goes

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to no Spotify user is no Spotify
listener, whether it's audio

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book, or whether it's audiobooks
or podcasts or music or

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anything. No Spotify listener
cares about any of the features

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of the app. Oh,

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no, no, no, no, I agree. I agree
with you there. I agree with you

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there. I'm just saying, Look,
we're not to make a big deal of

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it outside of, I just find that
it's rude if you're going to go

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around the standard to kowtow to
anybody. And screw you. So

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that's my that's my point.

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Your last Yeah, Spotify.

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Well, I mean, now that the
headline is clearly every

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podcast listener wants video, we
need video.

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Yeah, yeah. Because because they
can't make money with audio.

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I looked at this. I looked at
the data from this survey. I

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kind of want to know, you know,
how, who commissioned it or why

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and it seemed like it was just a
lot of YouTube stuff in there.

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And the whole premise that you
know, what platform Do you

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listen to podcasts on? And if
you know, 35% say YouTube? Wow,

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okay. Those people will want
video. And then they want they

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want and the reason why is they
want to see facial expressions.

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Do you want facial expressions
in a true crime podcast? Is that

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really what you want to see? Who
I'm very scared the scary part

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scary music? No, that's that.
That can't have video. That has

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to be audio. That's what makes
that that that genre. So

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fantastic. I'm just spouting off
today.

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This is interesting to see
Albert Alberto just reply and he

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says Not yet. But it's in the
roadmap for split. So okay,

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cool. He says For reference,
this is an interesting stat.

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It's interesting. For reference,
so far, we have we host 638

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podcasts with VAT value for
value active. No. Debt is not

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bad. It's

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quite a lot, actually. I mean,
what is our current tally of?

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We're over 11,000 I

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think, right? Yeah, live
1700 200 Some people that

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went up a lot in the past couple
of weeks, and I can tell you

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what's going on. I mean, we have
lift off now. There's some real

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there's some really cool stuff
happening. I'm gonna hit 10,861.

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And now 10,860 That's what I'm
seeing on our own website. About

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I think it was about 11,000.
It's a little under 11. I think

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the the integration of Alby into
pod verse which is is much

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tighter admits tight, working,
and I'll be having a direct fill

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up your wallet with a card with
a with a debit card. I think

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debit card works probably better
than credit card. And fountain

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having the same in app breeze of
course has that in app. You

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know, we it's such a difference
from a week ago, when, when we

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were struggling to tell people
remember went through the whole

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thing like get your cash app and
go to that part. Then the cash

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app and then copy the invoice.
And I mean, now it's this like,

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boom, you throw it. Yes, I did
it. Of course I tested it. I ran

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through the whole process, I
found that there were some

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things that that needed tweaking
and a couple other people know

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on podcast indexOf social
welfare, but it also go I think,

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might have been Chad F, maybe
Dred Scott, maybe both were

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generous Macintosh, he created a
video like a how to video

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beautiful. But the KYC was
literally address and Social

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Security. No pictures, no
driver's license? No, no turn to

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the left turn to the right.
There's no There's still some

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there's a waiting, a little
waiting period because you're

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you are literally buying Bitcoin
on chain. Can they give you the

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transaction ID you can see your
transaction. And there's a link

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to the mempool which of course
is incredibly confusing for

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people. So that needs to be
explained.

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Yeah, no links to mempool

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is really no.

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Okay, it's easy. Look, it's
easy. Just get when you all you

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got to do. Go get go get your
credit card, and your driver's

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license, take a picture of
yourself. And then here's a link

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to mempool See how easy that is?

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So So again, you don't need that
with Moon pay. At least I didn't

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need driver's license or picture
just just the payment info and,

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and social, which I don't like
giving out but it's a light KYC.

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And that was impressive.
Enlightened. So now when Tina

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00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,920
and I do Kirinda keeper on
Wednesday coming up, I think

443
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,300
Well, we already had it already
got easier people like we had

444
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:45,450
like two and a half million SATs
and boosts from from you know,

445
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,780
between shows. And this is
making a difference now.

446
00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:51,600
Did you say 200,000,002 and

447
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,250
a half million two and a half?
Holy, I wish I wish I wish now

448
00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:58,860
two and a half million but now
and these are these are people

449
00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:04,230
who typically just hit play on
the website. A lot of them

450
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:10,140
women. And until now it's a get
an app. And here's and here's

451
00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:12,600
the very simple way to because
they all they all want to do it.

452
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,470
They all want to send value.
Yeah, they just fall off the

453
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:20,820
edge. So now Now it's possible I
think I think this is a very

454
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:24,690
very very big deal for for a
value for value streaming and

455
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:26,490
booster grams. I think it's
really going to make a

456
00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:34,260
difference. And and I commend
Mitch and an Oscar and and Roy

457
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:37,500
and all their teams for for this
type of integration. This this

458
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:40,290
is good onboarding that's
happening here, especially when

459
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:42,750
you're actually buying Bitcoin.
That's impressive.

460
00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:47,730
I think this could be a way
forward for podcast addict to

461
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:49,560
now be integral.

462
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:50,369
So that helps.

463
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,500
Because Xavier Xavier had looked
in I think maybe about a year

464
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:59,400
ago. I don't remember how far
back it was. I think he had

465
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:06,630
looked into the value streaming
in the LNP API. He was like,

466
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:08,970
nah, this just doesn't feel like
it's ready. It just doesn't feel

467
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:10,830
like it's ready. It's probably
right at the time probably

468
00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:16,170
right. Yeah. Because he was like
there's two he was having

469
00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:21,360
trouble with and I think at the
time LM Pei was struggling with

470
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,300
capacity and stuff like that
he's just he's like it's not

471
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,860
reliable enough. I can't do
this. And so you know, but but

472
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:35,940
the lb integration that pod
verse did that is an easy and

473
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:38,610
easier to sing on the developer
themselves because they don't

474
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:41,910
have to. They're just they're
just letting you link to your

475
00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:43,710
wallet you're not having to make
those

476
00:28:43,740 --> 00:28:49,560
right and at that point is all I
mean, what I love about the Get

477
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,070
albies Get Alby system the way I
think it should work, which is

478
00:28:53,070 --> 00:28:58,230
the way sovereign feeds does it,
does it God bless Steven B. So

479
00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:02,640
when I add a split to the no
agenda feed, which is that only

480
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,990
changes for one for one split,
and that is for the artist, and

481
00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:10,590
I've I've encouraged all the
artists to get an Alby wallet,

482
00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:15,480
so if it's Taunton Neil at get
allday.com I literally go into

483
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:20,100
into sovereign feeds. And then I
set up I set up the split and I

484
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:25,590
click LB and I type in Tom to
underscore Neil at get lb.com

485
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:29,520
Everything's populated that

486
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,950
results with the keys Yes.

487
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:34,590
Beautiful and I

488
00:29:34,709 --> 00:29:38,099
take it back it's not Ellen URL.
No, it's not us, isn't it? No,

489
00:29:38,189 --> 00:29:40,559
it's that it's that other thing
is the other thing

490
00:29:40,829 --> 00:29:44,489
but that is really impressive,
you know, so that that to me

491
00:29:44,489 --> 00:29:47,909
seems though if you're going to
have a get get Alby integration

492
00:29:48,749 --> 00:29:52,229
just haven't just enter your
your your get Alby lightning

493
00:29:52,229 --> 00:29:54,509
address and you're done. You
shouldn't have to do anything

494
00:29:54,509 --> 00:29:56,159
else and then authorize
obviously,

495
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:58,560
service they want to talk to
Xavier. Here's a word about

496
00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:00,510
Gulag Okay, Hello.

497
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,870
That's what I remember. That's
what I remember the problem

498
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:06,960
being is the problem is no, no,
we can't do that, because Google

499
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,100
has real. You know, they've had
issues that kick people off for

500
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,010
using wallets and stuff. But
it's clearly it's the other

501
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:14,910
people are doing it.

502
00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:17,489
Yeah. See, that's the way like I
said, that's the way forward

503
00:30:17,489 --> 00:30:22,889
because pod verse, Mitch and
Mitch and the boys they pushed.

504
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,609
It's, I mean, they're all over
Google. So it's not, I think

505
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,520
Xavier has a flag, though. And I
like him for some reason. Oh,

506
00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:35,940
that's just Google. And it's
just Google. Hey, look, Google D

507
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:43,470
platform me from Google ads in
2010. I can never ever, ever

508
00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:47,190
again, make any money through
Google, YouTube or anything?

509
00:30:47,670 --> 00:30:49,590
Why would you do? I had an

510
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:54,480
app at the time, which I built
myself, I might point out. Yes,

511
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,490
impressive. The big App Show.

512
00:30:56,910 --> 00:30:59,490
And what I remember the big app
show that was that was you had

513
00:30:59,490 --> 00:31:01,260
freedom controller on the big
show for a while.

514
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,120
On the on the website. Yeah,
absolutely. And what the way I

515
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,570
would do is I'd shoot videos of
apps in in portrait mode. And

516
00:31:12,570 --> 00:31:15,630
I'd go full screen. So you were
literally getting a demo of the

517
00:31:15,630 --> 00:31:18,540
app that looked like it was
running on your phone. And this

518
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:22,920
was 2010. So that was kind of
cool. And I had ads in there.

519
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:25,920
And I'd be talking about the
apps and I say oh, by the way,

520
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:28,980
you know, we got an ad we got
ads here. So tap on the ad, take

521
00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:34,350
a look at the sponsors. And I
was doing like $2,000 a month in

522
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:37,380
in Google ad money for two
months. And then Google went,

523
00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:40,500
this is false. This is fake.
These are fake clicks. So what

524
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:45,990
do you mean? You're asking
people to look at ads? Ah, okay.

525
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,400
That's what you're saying.
That's the point. No, no.

526
00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:54,720
So you got a lifetime banned?
Forever? Yeah. It's because you

527
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,740
were making too much money.

528
00:31:56,010 --> 00:31:58,830
I don't know what it was. But it
wasn't all that much. But it was

529
00:31:58,830 --> 00:32:01,890
just I mean, it was nice money,
certainly at the time, but just

530
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:08,310
Dixit digs. Advertising sucks.
This is why we wound up here. I

531
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:12,450
don't like being D platformed.
For bull crap. Yeah, we got some

532
00:32:12,450 --> 00:32:16,290
relevant boosted grams coming in
live as we are let's Of course,

533
00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,460
get Wattpad versus a currently
will alert you if you set it up.

534
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,910
When we go live from contracts,
which I'm going to go into

535
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:31,050
assume is probably Boomi or
someone from get Alby. Let's

536
00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:38,730
see. Says here this is 5000
SATs. To make V four v

537
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:41,610
onboarding as easy as possible.
We've added a tool that lets you

538
00:32:41,610 --> 00:32:45,030
validate your V four v set up
with two clicks. Also amounts

539
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:48,480
can now be displayed in Fiat
from coupons. Oh, nice. One,

540
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:48,570
does

541
00:32:48,569 --> 00:32:50,939
that mean validate? Does that
mean? Like it'll tell you if

542
00:32:50,939 --> 00:32:53,339
they'll check your blog and save
the splits? Or? I

543
00:32:53,579 --> 00:32:57,149
think so I think so. Boosts us
again with 50,000 SATs with the

544
00:32:57,149 --> 00:33:00,629
answer, please. One technical
hurdle we had during the

545
00:33:00,629 --> 00:33:03,809
development, its value for
value. We couldn't find the

546
00:33:03,809 --> 00:33:07,439
correct way to round splits in
the spec. How do you guys think

547
00:33:07,439 --> 00:33:12,269
split should be rounded? I mean,
just down to the Satoshi level.

548
00:33:12,269 --> 00:33:14,459
I guess if you if it's an odd
number.

549
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:18,120
I think I would just round

550
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:21,269
around rounding the mountain
down is what I'd say. Yeah,

551
00:33:21,329 --> 00:33:25,079
yeah. Cuz if you round it. Yeah,
I think I would round down just

552
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:25,829
to be safe.

553
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:33,780
I'm sorry. Here's. Here's Alwyn.
10,000 SATs. Oh, this is our

554
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:42,810
one. Okay. And I guess Alan is
from pure. Now. Here we go. This

555
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:47,850
is a fun idea. 33,333 from
blueberry. Does anyone president

556
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:50,400
have an opinion on open source
solution to substack? For Okay,

557
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,910
we'll do that in a moment. Now
he's sent the same message

558
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:56,760
twice. I got it. I'm not sure
exactly what that means. We have

559
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,480
to figure it out.

560
00:33:59,190 --> 00:34:01,320
already. I think we already
discussed I think I think it was

561
00:34:02,550 --> 00:34:04,680
in the spec somewhere. I thought
we put that in there.

562
00:34:05,099 --> 00:34:08,189
I could be wrong, because I know
we had a long discussion about

563
00:34:08,189 --> 00:34:08,699
rounding.

564
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:10,470
Recall something about that

565
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:14,160
too. And maybe wrong. But the
way that we've I think we've

566
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,170
been down every one of these
roads before. Now not to say

567
00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:20,910
that there's something that
can't come up that we haven't

568
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:25,950
thought about. But I mean, I'm
almost 100% sure that we early

569
00:34:25,950 --> 00:34:29,700
on when we were I think it was
we're hashing out. What do you

570
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:33,600
do when that when the splits
don't add up to 100? And that's

571
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,570
when we went to a share model
instead of a percentage.

572
00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:47,250
So if you have a if you're
running a podcast at@rss.com

573
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:50,640
Does the index get a split or is
no split? Is that automatic? But

574
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,290
depends on where the where
they're getting it from, I

575
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:56,070
guess. Yeah, like always if the
AP if they if they use the API

576
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:58,560
then then that's when the split
is okay. God Yeah,

577
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,470
if people get their valuable
logging information from rice

578
00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:03,930
and we could we put the 1% in
there if they did they get it

579
00:35:03,930 --> 00:35:07,020
straight from the feed and they
don't. They don't have to run.

580
00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:09,150
They don't have to be the way
but it's honor system.

581
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:12,780
Yeah. Well, everyone's a crook
these days. What are you guys?

582
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:19,500
Crooks? Sam second you got
funded? Wow, that was a joke.

583
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:27,450
But man 300,000 Star 300,000
pounds proof. Congratulations,

584
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:30,480
brother i that is an amazing
amount of money in this in this

585
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:32,160
investing climate.

586
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:35,490
So I haven't I haven't list
listened to you.

587
00:35:35,490 --> 00:35:37,800
I was listening to it today. I
was listening to the Yeah. But

588
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,870
did he say who it was that fun?
No, no, he

589
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:43,740
didn't say who it was or what
the valuation was. Which is

590
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,690
marginally interesting. It's

591
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,140
but at least a billion dollars,
at least. It's

592
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:52,020
probably a valuation of a
million, I would say it's

593
00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:54,900
probably what it is. I hope it
doesn't matter. I'm really happy

594
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:57,630
for Sam, because I know how hard
he worked on this. It was, you

595
00:35:57,630 --> 00:36:00,420
know, he had partners he had to
get rid of because they fell

596
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:03,420
down and weren't doing anything.
And so we picked this whole

597
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:07,320
project up and, and it sounds
really cool. I know, you saw

598
00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:12,900
kind of an alpha alpha version
working. But it was beautiful. I

599
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:14,880
think a lot of this money is
from marketing, which is

600
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,550
expected. You know, it doesn't
cost that much these days, you

601
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:22,380
know, all the stuff is kind of
out there. So it's UI UX, which

602
00:36:22,410 --> 00:36:24,870
you know, takes real skill and
real people who can do that.

603
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,760
It's got a great developer to
was on the on a call with him.

604
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:33,720
With him in his is Dev one day,
and they were like, the guy

605
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,400
really knows what he's doing.
He's he's good guy.

606
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:39,630
Yeah. I'm so happy. And you
know, this is marketing money.

607
00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:43,380
So I'm very excited. How much
he's going to donate to the show

608
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:44,700
for us to talk about him again.

609
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:51,630
There's, there's 300,000 That's

610
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:56,730
a lot. That's a lot of a lot of
coin baby. A lot of coins.

611
00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:01,680
Yeah, there's, I mean, there's
like a lot of this, this felt

612
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,720
like the last week was a lot of
put a lot of just developments.

613
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:10,530
So sort of revelation like, like
pushing forward because

614
00:37:10,650 --> 00:37:13,830
blueberry? They're evidently
released. Oh, cracking.

615
00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:18,060
Yeah. Well, cracking is
everywhere these days. I know,

616
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:21,210
Todd wrote a whole write up of
podcasting. 2.0.

617
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:24,720
Boy, they and they've got
they've you can do live item,

618
00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:27,480
you can do live streams now in
you can put those in your feed

619
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,950
in the blueberry UI,

620
00:37:28,980 --> 00:37:31,350
and they offer the streaming
server as well.

621
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:36,750
I don't think that they do.
Okay. I don't think they do

622
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:40,830
that. But they it's a read
through the through the article

623
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:44,820
that he linked to, and it's an
explainer about how to put your

624
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:48,240
live stream information into
your feed using losing their

625
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:53,220
dashboard. Which I mean, that's,
that's great, because then, you

626
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:57,570
know, like a day later, or
something like that. The Xavier

627
00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:00,870
says the podcast index. I mean,
it's gonna be podcast addict is

628
00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:04,590
going to is going to release
beta and evidently it's out now.

629
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,580
So he's got beta live item tags
word in the beta. Ah, I

630
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,640
didn't know that. Okay. The
podcast addict. Yeah. Excellent.

631
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,660
Does Liz is live streaming now,
too. He says, if you have the

632
00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,360
latest beta installed, you can
listen to podcasts and 2.0 live

633
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,040
right now and interact with the
chat by pressing on the player

634
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,730
screen chat button. You get
notified about the lives

635
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:29,850
starting in real time via push
notification. Yeah, so it sounds

636
00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:32,730
like a lot a lot like pod verse
support.

637
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,790
But then we need to put them
everywhere. I need to start

638
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:41,790
promoting him as the for no
agenda, then if that works, if

639
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:45,150
people can get a ping. We want
people to be able to listen

640
00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:46,350
live. That's fantastic.

641
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:51,780
is I think he may be in the
chat. Actually. I think I saw

642
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:55,260
somebody boosting his karma in
the chat a while ago. So I mean,

643
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:59,940
I I'm assuming he's testing it
live from the from the app. So

644
00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:04,980
that's two apps. Now they can
do. They can do live item. Live,

645
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:11,190
do live streams and chat. The
live chat so that is exciting.

646
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,200
I have a I have you ever comment
on on Todd's blog posts.

647
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:17,370
Okay.

648
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:22,710
So he goes through the live
stuff. And he sent us let's talk

649
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:25,860
about the crypto component and
it gives a little breakdown of

650
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:30,240
what a Satoshi is. And I think
this is incorrect. He says

651
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:36,030
crypto astigmatism. I think he
meant astigmatism. Astigmatism

652
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:39,420
is a thing with your eye, isn't
it? It's like nearsightedness.

653
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:42,630
Yeah, so crypto. I don't think
it's a stick. Well, I It's funny

654
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:46,410
if it's crypto nearsightedness.
I don't know. I think maybe

655
00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:49,470
true. Yeah, I think you need to
remove a a

656
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:53,730
a stigmatism is a common a
generally treatable imperfection

657
00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:54,870
in the curvature of the eye.

658
00:39:55,859 --> 00:40:02,579
Yes, that's, that's that's a
booboo there. gotta fix. Oh, and

659
00:40:02,579 --> 00:40:06,839
I also fixed new podcast
apps.com with HTTPS.

660
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,730
Okay, tell me what you had to
do.

661
00:40:09,329 --> 00:40:16,709
Wow. Yeah, I mean, all I really
want is just just put a forward

662
00:40:16,709 --> 00:40:19,439
in there. But you know, it's
like you can't just forward and

663
00:40:19,499 --> 00:40:24,239
so if someone typed in HTTPS new
pad podcast apps.com, there's no

664
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,149
cert for that. And, you know,
and I guess I could have, I

665
00:40:27,149 --> 00:40:30,899
actually went in and looked at
the GitHub, I'm like, can I add

666
00:40:30,899 --> 00:40:33,749
this into the nginx, or whatever
needs to be done so that we can

667
00:40:33,749 --> 00:40:36,299
just have the cert on the other
side, but then you can't

668
00:40:36,329 --> 00:40:41,219
actually make it forward to
slash? Apps, podcasts

669
00:40:41,219 --> 00:40:45,869
index.org/apps. So DNS simple
who I use, they have a forward

670
00:40:45,899 --> 00:40:49,769
URL forwarding service, and it's
in the DNS record, it's a URL

671
00:40:49,769 --> 00:40:57,179
record. And while you can
forward from HTTP to HTTPS, you

672
00:40:57,209 --> 00:41:01,589
if you want to forward from
HTTPS to, you know, to the URL

673
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:04,799
with HTTPS, you need to have a
different account, which you

674
00:41:04,799 --> 00:41:09,359
know, because basically, they're
then acting, they are acting as

675
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:14,909
the cert. So I have a cert
registered for that domain name,

676
00:41:14,909 --> 00:41:17,699
and then it's hitting their
server and then being forwarded.

677
00:41:17,699 --> 00:41:20,969
So I guess they, they, they,
they want to charge money for

678
00:41:20,969 --> 00:41:24,989
the for that service, which is
okay. I don't mind. So then I

679
00:41:24,989 --> 00:41:28,379
set it up. And the only thing I
couldn't do was I couldn't do a

680
00:41:28,379 --> 00:41:32,549
parameter. So I can do pocket
initial Lord slash apps. I

681
00:41:32,549 --> 00:41:36,509
couldn't do slash apps question
mark, you know, filter by app.

682
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:39,929
That doesn't work in that
scenario.

683
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,490
Se Se. Okay. So that was the
issue. Yeah. Okay.

684
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:48,960
By the way, I think crypto
astigmatism is a show title.

685
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:54,630
Oh, yeah. Yes. stigmata, you
know, this, this would be

686
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:56,130
another way to go with this. The
stigma

687
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,060
of astigmatism is funnier. Okay.
I like it a lot.

688
00:42:01,770 --> 00:42:05,100
This is, this is. This is great.

689
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:08,700
It's fantastic. I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. What are we been two and

690
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,990
a half years from, from concept
to where we are today.

691
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:16,740
There's some yeah, there's
something about the live.

692
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:21,390
There's something about the live
stuff that just yeah, it just I

693
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:24,750
don't know, man. It just, it's
really exciting. It's, it feels

694
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:28,830
like something. It feels like
value for value. To me. It feels

695
00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:32,400
like something brand new.
Everything else is different.

696
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,210
The rest of the stuff in the
namespace, yes, it's cool. But

697
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:40,350
they're, they're like, they feel
like just sort of making things

698
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:44,880
making things better than they
were. They feel like it feels

699
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,860
like an evolution of things.
This feels like something truly

700
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:54,300
new in a podcast app. That's
never been rude. Agreed. It's

701
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:58,110
really never been done. And
intimate to me when you can do

702
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:02,010
that. You can kind of like, and
when I say never been done, I'm

703
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:06,330
sure you understand. Understand
there's there's there's apps

704
00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:09,540
that have done live streaming.
I'm talking about in a podcast

705
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:14,910
app. There's a dedicated
independent podcast app itself

706
00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:22,050
when you can when you can make
all of them able to do to be

707
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:26,040
radio receivers for live content
that is Yes, sure.

708
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:30,150
And Thank you Mitch for
squashing the bug for 100% Retro

709
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:34,080
the live feed now. I get an
alert maybe just maybe eight

710
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:34,980
times a day.

711
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,620
Yeah, me too. That's it's my
canary in the coal mine.

712
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,800
Everything's still working
exactly. And it's beautiful

713
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,800
because the the alert pops up
and it's got the the right title

714
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,710
the right image. And over the
weekend there it was Ben Lee but

715
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:53,190
on popped up. What I did, Kim
wild popped up and I tuned in i

716
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:56,790
Listen, you're like okay, that's
very cool. And then the bet it

717
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:59,880
was frustrating even because it
was Wednesday. Was it Wednesday,

718
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,480
I think I was in the
periodontist office in the chair

719
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,060
group. And I said hold on a
second because I just might just

720
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:08,040
how I talked to my periodontist
back off for a second. Let me

721
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,410
take a look. Oh, it's the new
media show. I really want to

722
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:13,530
listen and boosting grammar.
HCA. He's like no, no, open your

723
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:13,920
mouth.

724
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:18,240
It's like, oh, man, you get you
get a space.

725
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:22,320
I was bummed about it because I
really want it's it was

726
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,880
exciting. It was truly an I have
every reason to be extremely

727
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,140
jaded about this stuff.

728
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,850
I'm not typically alive.
Podcasts podcast listener, like

729
00:44:32,850 --> 00:44:37,050
I don't that's just not normally
how I roll. And I realize this

730
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:42,240
because I always had to I have
to go to my computer and I have

731
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,180
to know the schedule and it's
just too much mental it's just

732
00:44:45,180 --> 00:44:45,750
too many hoops

733
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:48,570
to jump through of course and
now I just tap it boom it opens

734
00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:49,620
running is fantastic.

735
00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:52,800
Pod verse notified me the other
day new media show just went

736
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,500
live. I just clicked it Yeah, I
was like okay, yeah, sure I'm in

737
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,350
get me and I don't know what
happened but my my Get lb stays

738
00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:06,000
connected now to to pod verse I
don't have to reconnect it every

739
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,120
single time I as far as I know
there was no update past the one

740
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:11,640
that that was fixing. It wasn't
fixed and then it's fixed. It's

741
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,090
magic.

742
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,640
I love it. And maybe maybe it
was an Aldi problem. It is

743
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,690
something I think it was I

744
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:17,760
think there was an lb
authentication issue that it was

745
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,610
dropping for some reason. I'm
not sure. Doesn't matter,

746
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,440
whoever fix it. Merci beaucoup.
And Chabot, BA and all that good

747
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,070
French stuff.

748
00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:30,840
Do we I feel like we want to
talk about at least a little bit

749
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:33,000
about the web monetization
stuff. I didn't want to talk

750
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,250
about it last week, because we
had a guest. And it's there's

751
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:35,940
too, you

752
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,280
know, I was trying, I was trying
to silence it to death. But

753
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:38,700
okay.

754
00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:45,060
That, like, I just felt like I
want to talk about a little bit

755
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:52,680
around what, what I think is, I
guess, I guess just my general

756
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,460
feelings about it. In my
general, in general, I think

757
00:45:56,460 --> 00:46:00,660
it's, I think it's fine. I mean,
I don't have a problem with the

758
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:05,400
web monetization, technology,
that and we're talking about the

759
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,330
stuff that PRX days. So PRX is
doing, it's only in their web

760
00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:13,860
player. And it's very limited,
they don't they, they have a

761
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,130
lot allow me to allow me to kick
it off, because I caused a

762
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:20,310
ruckus about it. And I'm
partially I apologize, because I

763
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:23,700
was just flying off the handle.
But there was something deeper

764
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:29,730
here. The the way it came to me
is exactly what I was afraid of,

765
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,040
I saw headlines, I heard a
headline PRX value for value,

766
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,340
I'm like, wow, this is great.
And then I see that it's not

767
00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:44,130
value for value at all, yet,
yet. Because it's missing a lot

768
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:47,520
of you know, it's it's a
payment, it's a payment, which

769
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,420
is web uses a different system
than lightning, that's fine. But

770
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:57,450
it just hurt me because value
for value is not just streaming

771
00:46:57,450 --> 00:47:00,570
payments or booster grams,
that's not value for value, it

772
00:47:00,570 --> 00:47:05,490
is truly the returning of value
that you set yourself value for

773
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,370
value dot info was a whole
website about it, which, you

774
00:47:08,370 --> 00:47:10,890
know, finally, I think people
are starting to look at it,

775
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:19,500
which I wrote with my my drawing
a blank eg GG, thank you. And

776
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:23,970
it's couple of the people who've
contributed some things. And,

777
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:27,570
and I was just you know, that's
that's not what value for value

778
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:30,720
can be done in many different
ways with Pay Pal, you know,

779
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,430
with cash money sending it
through to a Pio box. But just

780
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:39,060
because you give $5 to a
company, and they and they and

781
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:42,930
they give you the gives the the
content owner X amount per

782
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:46,320
minute. It's not value for value
that's like, that's something

783
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,010
different. And so that and then
when I saw the PRX zone

784
00:47:50,010 --> 00:47:53,250
document, which mentioned value
for value, it was very

785
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:56,520
confusing. And so i my i went
into protective mode of

786
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,450
something that I named something
that we've been working on for

787
00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:06,360
15 years in so value for value
is distinctly different than web

788
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:11,400
monetization. And any and even
Patreon is not value for value,

789
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,880
because you can't just so many
times I'm listening to

790
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,090
something. And I'm like, Oh, I
really want to support them. How

791
00:48:18,090 --> 00:48:21,720
can I do it, Patreon. And the
only way to do it on Patreon is

792
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:25,200
to become a member of some
level, I want to give you 50

793
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,510
bucks right now. Can't do it on
Patreon. So that's what value

794
00:48:30,510 --> 00:48:33,360
for value is. And so what
happened here and the proposal

795
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,680
that came in, was marketed as
such Republic, excuse me

796
00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:42,270
reported as such. And that just
just I blew my top. So I was

797
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:46,710
incorrect about accusations I
made. It's absolutely fine. I

798
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:51,300
want you know, we got an email
the other day, and I'm starting

799
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:53,460
to handle more emails you'd like
that day if I'm handling the

800
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:56,160
emails for you on Thank you.
Thank you for your is that

801
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,030
working for you? Is that working
for you? 100% work? Okay, good.

802
00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:02,040
No, I enjoy doing it. Because I
just said, you know, yeah, well,

803
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,040
we'll get on that. And within 24
hours, you know, it'll be fixed.

804
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:13,380
If we can. And to help us I can
Oh, so there's something Open

805
00:49:14,610 --> 00:49:17,970
Content Foundation or something.
It's like, hey, we have

806
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,290
resources, we got money. We got
engineers, we like this concept.

807
00:49:22,290 --> 00:49:26,010
We'd like the whole idea, as Oh,
cool. You know, tell me tell me

808
00:49:26,010 --> 00:49:30,840
what's going on. And I look at
it and it's like, you know, it's

809
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:35,910
it's like a kind of a Aetherium
type thing tokens. And I'm like,

810
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:40,140
you know, here's the spec. It'd
be great if you can if you can

811
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:43,530
integrate it this way and enjoy
but we don't really need your

812
00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:44,790
resources for that.

813
00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:52,980
Yeah, that to me a little go
back to the bait was the base

814
00:49:52,980 --> 00:50:01,200
protocol. So the devalue block
itself was created. needed to be

815
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:06,150
plug and play with anything that
people could dream up to fit in

816
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:09,720
there. Sure, if you if you can
figure out a way to put it in

817
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,790
there in a way that makes sense
with your back end

818
00:50:11,790 --> 00:50:17,430
infrastructure, go for it, have
fun to knock stuff out. But as

819
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:22,740
far as, like, the thing that
that I want to like personally,

820
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,750
like endorse or try to push for
or things like that, those

821
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:32,130
things, that's a different
question. You know, like, I

822
00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:37,650
will, I will gladly approve and
merge in, you know, things like

823
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,940
a and any kind of PR that that
has, that had that fits the

824
00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:47,550
spec, and is in is in the spirit
of what we're trying to do with,

825
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:53,130
you know, which is decentralized
payments. So, but that's, you

826
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,070
know, that's a different
question from my own personal

827
00:50:56,070 --> 00:51:02,520
beliefs in which is, and on that
note, I go back to, if the base

828
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:08,760
protocol itself is open, and
decentralized and free and

829
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:16,410
accessible, then what's built on
top of it, like layers, 234,

830
00:51:17,070 --> 00:51:20,310
whatever, they may not be
perfect, but they'll at least

831
00:51:20,310 --> 00:51:26,250
maintain that that base level of
freedom. So they sort of inherit

832
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:30,660
the properties of the of of that
base level of the parents so to

833
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:36,210
speak. And that's that's the way
that's why that's why I'm on

834
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:39,960
Bitcoin to for this for the
value for value thing for

835
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,520
lightning. Yeah. Is because, you
know, Bitcoin itself cannot

836
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,170
handle the volume of traffic and
the fee structure and all that

837
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:53,010
stuff that's necessary to do
this stuff. But But lightning

838
00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:58,830
can. But is lightning a perfect
protocol? No, not by any stretch

839
00:51:58,830 --> 00:52:02,010
of the imagination. And I think
everybody, hopefully, hopefully.

840
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:07,860
And I think everybody involved
in the lightning ecosystem would

841
00:52:07,860 --> 00:52:10,680
admit that, if they're trying to
be out, if they're being honest,

842
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,340
I mean, things like keys. And
these are, these are not

843
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:22,170
perfectly designed protocols, if
there even is such a thing. But

844
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:30,540
when you compare it to something
like web monetization, when if I

845
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:34,260
do like, if, if I'm talking
about pure decentralized

846
00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:38,910
payments, I can participate in
the Lightning Network without

847
00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:44,730
anyone else. Right, not as just
an end user. But actually, in

848
00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:46,920
the infrastructure flow itself.

849
00:52:46,949 --> 00:52:50,849
And that's in the spec, it says,
specifically, from the user

850
00:52:50,849 --> 00:52:52,979
directly to the producer.

851
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,810
Yeah, I can be Yes, I can be a
node within the network

852
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,490
exchanging payment traffic, I
can be in the flow, and there's

853
00:53:02,490 --> 00:53:07,530
nothing else there. There's no,
I don't have I'm not, I'm not a

854
00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:13,800
lower level, excuse me, a higher
level node, where I have to then

855
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:20,340
request to some to some lower
level to do a thing. I'm at a,

856
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:22,680
when you're when you're when
you're running a lightning node,

857
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,030
you're already at the at

858
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,120
your equal equal, everybody's
equal.

859
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:32,010
Yes. And so when you know, that
is contrasted with something

860
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:34,740
like web monetization, and
again, I want to say the web

861
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:38,730
monetization stuff is fine. It's
I merged it in, it's in there,

862
00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:39,540
it's in the spec now.

863
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:44,580
But here's the flaw. And this
this, I'm sorry.

864
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:50,010
If the thing was a web
monetization protocol, the the

865
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:57,000
inter ledger protocol, the ILP
stuff, it is inscrutable. It's

866
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,170
not only inscrutable to most
human beings, if you read the

867
00:54:01,170 --> 00:54:07,770
spec, but you also to be at the
exchange and to be a node within

868
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:14,820
there. You have to have access
to to banking, you have to have,

869
00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:18,420
you essentially have to have
lots of money and lots of

870
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:22,860
resources to integrate with the
traditional financial system,

871
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:27,810
and other blockchains it is by
no means anything that any

872
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:33,060
normal human being can do with
limited, normal average human

873
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:37,590
being resources. That's what
that's what I think we all just

874
00:54:37,590 --> 00:54:41,340
need to be aware of you, you
were talking about to boredom

875
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:45,000
are two things that fit a spec,
but other than that, they

876
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:48,240
they're not comparable in any
way.

877
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:52,740
First of all, new show title,
inscrutable.

878
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,270
Great word, inscrutable money.

879
00:54:57,330 --> 00:55:01,680
It's that's do it. The
definition of inscrutable is

880
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,910
interesting, inscrutable, not
readily investigated,

881
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:09,450
interpreted or understood. I
like inscrutable good word.

882
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:13,500
This, to me is a bit of a
throwback to a, here's a, here's

883
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:18,750
the overall problem. Just
getting something into the spec

884
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:23,280
or putting something, the value
block is really not even half

885
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,590
the work. This reminds me of the
ln URL mafia. And all they were

886
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:33,270
interested in is that their
version of payments was in the

887
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:38,280
spec. No one incentivized a
single developer of any apps.

888
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:42,600
And, you know, when and you
know, the the Interledger.

889
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,450
Folks, they reached out to us
they say you want to grant you

890
00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:48,180
want some money? No, no, thank
you for a whole bunch of

891
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:50,910
reasons, our own personal
reasons, but we don't really

892
00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:53,310
want to take any corporate
money. That's bottom line, we

893
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:55,530
don't want to take any corporate
money from anybody, because then

894
00:55:55,830 --> 00:56:00,030
we are, you know, we could we've
been offered lots of things,

895
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:03,300
advisor, ships, shares, you
know, no, no, no, no, no, we

896
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,390
don't want that. Because then
then we're compromised, or

897
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:10,950
potentially compromised. And so
you know, if, if a company gives

898
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:15,300
you money to create something,
and then get it into the 2.0

899
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:18,870
spec, that's great. But still,
we have all these developers who

900
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:23,250
are, are walking the hanging on
by their fingernails to the

901
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:27,660
ledge, you know, of just
scraping by to to make their

902
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:31,830
apps work. And it's a huge ask
to implement something else.

903
00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:36,480
That's my problem. It's like,
okay, that's great. You can put

904
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,320
a visa put your stuff in there.
Yeah. Now, it'd be really easy

905
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,720
to say, oh, yeah, you can use
Visa card, although you can't

906
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:49,080
but okay. But that's, that's
just a part of the equation. And

907
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:55,080
we spent years, literally years,
working with app developers and

908
00:56:55,110 --> 00:57:00,270
hosting companies, and wallet
providers to bring this all

909
00:57:00,270 --> 00:57:05,100
together. So, you know, you come
back when you've done some work

910
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:06,510
is kind of how I feel about it.

911
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:10,920
Well, that, you know, that's
it's not, it's not necessarily

912
00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:15,900
you know, we just need to, I
think we just need to all

913
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:19,560
understand what it is really, I
think that's the biggest thing.

914
00:57:19,950 --> 00:57:25,740
You know, it looks like, based
on the proposal that Benjamin

915
00:57:25,740 --> 00:57:30,930
Bellamy link to, in again, I
just want to be as clear as I

916
00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:35,640
can be, this is not a criticism
in any way of PRX or anything

917
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:42,450
like that, but, but they appear
at PRX got paid to do that

918
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:46,170
integration. It was fine. It
looks like the grant was like

919
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:54,600
$85,000. So that can't that
grant came from that coil fund

920
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,420
or whatever that thing is. And
coil is the company that's

921
00:57:57,420 --> 00:58:02,430
pushing this Interledger spec.
And so PRX got paid to do that

922
00:58:02,430 --> 00:58:08,730
integration, that's fine. But,
you know, if any company's

923
00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:12,720
business plan that involves
giving away $85,000, to have

924
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,620
somebody support your protocol,
he's probably going to have in

925
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:21,180
that same business plan a future
where they make a large amount

926
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:22,620
of money off that
infrastructure.

927
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:25,740
Hey, song, I really liked your
r&b song, here's a pink

928
00:58:25,740 --> 00:58:28,560
Cadillac. Yep, don't worry,
gotcha cover.

929
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,960
Exactly. And that's there.
Again, I have no problem with

930
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,660
any of this. I just think we
everybody needs, we all need to

931
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:41,580
understand what the, what the
pieces are here, what the what's

932
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:45,870
going on, so that we can make so
we can have proper understanding

933
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:51,270
of of, of what we intend to
support or how we're thinking

934
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:55,260
about these things. Because I
mean, if like if stripe stripe

935
00:58:55,260 --> 00:58:58,410
wanted to stripe wanted to turn
their API into a web standard,

936
00:58:58,890 --> 00:59:03,120
now everybody's going to use the
stripe infrastructure. I think

937
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,960
we would all agree that's,
that's not a open system. No. I

938
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,400
mean, would it technically fit
the spec? Yeah. But I don't

939
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,500
think we would, we would none of
us would be excited. Because

940
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:18,750
you're like, Okay, well, you can
still be D platformed. You can

941
00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:21,210
still be taken off, you know,
you can still have your payments

942
00:59:21,210 --> 00:59:24,510
revoked, you can still do all
this kind of stuff. And could is

943
00:59:24,510 --> 00:59:30,030
it possible that in the in a
future LSP type infrastructure?

944
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:32,730
I've talked with Alex about
this, we've had good

945
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:36,270
conversations about the patina
about what is the future for LSP

946
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:39,240
type stuff, where where you're
sort of renting other people's

947
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,390
channels and that kind of thing.
You know, there's concerns there

948
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:46,560
because you know, you could once
you sort of go out into that

949
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,870
world will you know, maybe maybe
there's possibility for payment

950
00:59:51,870 --> 00:59:56,160
censorship there. Sure. I don't
I don't know. But, but I guess I

951
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,750
keep coming back to

952
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:01,020
this censorship possibility with
get out Be as well, I mean, get

953
01:00:01,020 --> 01:00:04,680
Albey consent, if I'm not saying
I'm just saying, if you're not

954
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,730
in, anything's possible in that
regard. And of course, you know,

955
01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:11,970
value for value was never
intended to be censorship

956
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:14,580
resistant. This was the upgrade
in my mind.

957
01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:21,660
But I know that if I installed a
know that if I install a, if I

958
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:26,070
install an app with the full
notes and libraries, and the

959
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:31,560
podcaster, I'm trying to support
runs their own node. I know in

960
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,850
at least that one scenario, I
know that payment is going to go

961
01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:40,890
through, nothing's gonna stop
it. Right. So So there are lots

962
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:44,820
of ways that even lightning
itself can be, you know, not the

963
01:00:44,820 --> 01:00:49,320
panacea and the Savior that the
people may think it is. But at

964
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:56,310
least the protocol spec itself
is adhered to in a very strict

965
01:00:56,310 --> 01:01:01,980
way. That does give you at least
the promise of that of that

966
01:01:01,980 --> 01:01:05,220
freedom. You know, and I think
there's always that fallback,

967
01:01:05,220 --> 01:01:07,950
you know, it's there. But with
something like internal

968
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:12,000
Interledger, or, or some other
system, that not even that

969
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,310
prompt that that promise is not
even there,

970
01:01:14,699 --> 01:01:17,339
I would have less of an issue
with it, if you could determine

971
01:01:17,339 --> 01:01:19,979
how much you're giving. Because
I know there's really no

972
01:01:19,979 --> 01:01:25,109
difference between, you know,
sticking your money into coil,

973
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:28,289
and then, you know, having it go
to podcasters on the other end,

974
01:01:29,219 --> 01:01:32,339
but not being able to determine
how much and for the podcast and

975
01:01:32,339 --> 01:01:34,769
not being able to create a
split. I mean, that's just not

976
01:01:34,769 --> 01:01:37,949
value for value. That's a micro
payment system. That's gonna be

977
01:01:37,949 --> 01:01:42,719
the same, probably with the LSAT
system. I'm, you know, will the

978
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:46,499
LSAT, will they support the
value block? You know, I don't

979
01:01:46,499 --> 01:01:46,799
know,

980
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:52,230
for 95% of podcasts, this is
just not even an issue. But

981
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:56,070
there are but there's that low
single digit percentage of

982
01:01:56,070 --> 01:02:00,570
podcasts that, that push the
envelope and are going to, you

983
01:02:00,570 --> 01:02:04,230
know, and it's not just it's not
just wacky stuff, I mean, people

984
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:07,620
who have whistleblowers on their
show, there's lots of scenarios

985
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:11,010
that you can think up where
somebody's monetization would be

986
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:15,360
threatened. And and there are
going to be a small percentage

987
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,450
of shows out there where that
really is an issue in legitimate

988
01:02:18,450 --> 01:02:23,280
ways not for not for what
political crap but in legitimate

989
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,880
ways that's really an issue of
repressive regimes Podcast

990
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,520
coming out of China who knows
just think you can think of a

991
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,300
dozen if you just sit down for a
while. So this is not an it's

992
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:38,760
not an issue. The being being
the platform resistant is not an

993
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,910
issue that to take lightly. It
is an important issue. And so I

994
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:46,290
think that does actually have to
play into the things that we

995
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:49,740
support and when I mean like,
like push, you know, like, Hey,

996
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:52,020
Rob with the things that we do
rah rah for

997
01:02:52,140 --> 01:02:55,230
well, this Yeah, rah rah.
Exactly. That's what we started

998
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:58,470
this for those very reasons.
Yeah. People were being thrown

999
01:02:58,470 --> 01:03:03,720
off of Apple podcasts and pay
Powell was clamping down. That

1000
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,760
would that's our and, and just
by stating that a lot of people

1001
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,600
didn't like us in the beginning
and we never will and never

1002
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,200
will. And we and we softened our
stance. Oh, by the way, podcast

1003
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,860
index dot socialist blocked by a
number of of instances because

1004
01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:22,650
you know, we're all for free
speech. It's very bad. We're

1005
01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:27,660
fascia J sash. news show title
fashio adjacent.

1006
01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:31,710
That was one of the reasons
fascia adjacent. I didn't need

1007
01:03:31,740 --> 01:03:36,810
what's funny is I didn't even
know I was a fascist. Now is Sal

1008
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:42,750
Mastodon is FAS, H adjacent how
do they fat? Yeah, if they SHF

1009
01:03:42,750 --> 01:03:43,320
bash

1010
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:47,280
fast, Jason kind of like that.
That's a that's a bumper

1011
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:47,760
sticker.

1012
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:52,500
It's always fun. It's always fun
to be for something about

1013
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:56,130
yourself to be revealed to you
buy Rando on social media.

1014
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,760
Anyway, we wanted to talk about
just you know, I mean, it's a

1015
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,540
big deal. And

1016
01:04:03,540 --> 01:04:06,990
I would welcome PRX to, you
know, if they've, if they're

1017
01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:10,590
interested, we'll give you all
the liquidity we can give you

1018
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:14,070
if you want me to give you
$85,000 But we'll get we'll give

1019
01:04:14,070 --> 01:04:15,210
you a channel that will give

1020
01:04:15,210 --> 01:04:18,360
you a channel with with millions
of stats, we'll do that we'd

1021
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,900
love to know if it's already for
you. You're doing the work and

1022
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:26,580
just add a couple things. I
don't think PRX supports any

1023
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:28,470
other value for value system, do
they?

1024
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:37,590
I don't know that they ever
would know, I could be you know,

1025
01:04:37,590 --> 01:04:41,550
I hope I'm wrong. But I feel
like they're the public. The

1026
01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:48,270
public radio audience. Probably
disproportionately is or hates

1027
01:04:48,270 --> 01:04:53,700
Bitcoin. I mean, I feel like
that's a true statement.

1028
01:04:53,729 --> 01:04:59,639
Maybe. Well, if it's if it's
Yeah, I mean, yes, if you if you

1029
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:03,899
yeah. crypto. Oh, it's crypto
bros. That's That's enough.

1030
01:05:03,899 --> 01:05:04,259
Yeah.

1031
01:05:04,860 --> 01:05:09,120
Yeah. No, hopefully one day
we'll that stigma will will be

1032
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:12,510
go will go away. But I mean
until Until then I'm not

1033
01:05:12,510 --> 01:05:15,450
expecting to hear Ira Glass or
you know, doing a booster green

1034
01:05:15,450 --> 01:05:16,230
corner anytime soon.

1035
01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:21,270
It will be hilarious. He'd be
great at it. I'm sure he'd be

1036
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:24,990
fantastic. Yeah, no.

1037
01:05:25,529 --> 01:05:29,669
Do you see the Cloudflare? I did
the mastodon game. Yeah, I have

1038
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:33,060
it in the show notes even
figured we bring that up. So is

1039
01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:37,500
that something that the devs can
use to integrate wildebeest and

1040
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:40,200
activity pub and Mastodon
compatible server. So if

1041
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,850
somebody can just spin up right
away,

1042
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:48,870
it it appears so they don't know
anything about it yet, because I

1043
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:55,740
just saw Nathan's post about it
today. And it looks like some

1044
01:05:55,740 --> 01:06:01,680
sort of like lightweight
combination of of an activity

1045
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,840
pub. With login activity, pub
supporting server,

1046
01:06:07,650 --> 01:06:10,050
well, you can do it, you can do
it with an API. And you can do

1047
01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:16,470
it without images. Which is a
huge savings, huge savings, huge

1048
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:20,430
savings you can do you can
100,000 images a month storage

1049
01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:26,010
$5 $200,010 $1,000,050, a custom
blah, blah, blah, but you but

1050
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:29,130
you cannot you can also choose
to not activate it. So it might

1051
01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:32,700
be perfect just for for cross
app comments.

1052
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:36,870
That's what it feels like the
thing that I was about to build.

1053
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:40,410
Yeah. Well, but for the same
reason you were building a

1054
01:06:40,410 --> 01:06:46,320
bridge with with with helipad,
and I'm kind of interested in

1055
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,270
hearing what you're what you
were planning, or maybe you

1056
01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:51,030
already started working on it?
Well,

1057
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,010
I had been, I've not done any
coding yet. But I have it

1058
01:06:56,010 --> 01:06:59,820
written some some of the parts
written out on paper, I usually

1059
01:06:59,850 --> 01:07:04,440
throw things out on paper first.
And so the that was basically

1060
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,070
what I was looking at is to make
as much of it as into static

1061
01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:11,550
files as possible. So there's
the web finger component, the,

1062
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:18,120
the, the JSON LD, all of those
things could be just a static

1063
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,090
files that get updated when,
when there's a status change,

1064
01:07:21,630 --> 01:07:25,890
then there's the, the sort of
notification or action part of

1065
01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:30,060
it. That's, that's what I was
trying to work on as I was going

1066
01:07:30,060 --> 01:07:34,950
to pull in the shell of what
hell hell Upad was because it's

1067
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:38,220
got all the pieces that I need
there. And then sort of like,

1068
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:43,320
strip that out and begin to
build off of that. And then I'm

1069
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,980
kind of wondering if we're just
going to give this a shot first.

1070
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,120
I mean, if it's cheap, if it's
like super dirt cheap. I mean,

1071
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:51,240
I'm,

1072
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:54,420
you know, they have a whole free
tier.

1073
01:07:55,590 --> 01:08:00,960
Yeah, I mean, I want the stuff
that we build, like Hello, Pat,

1074
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,870
and things like that. I want
that stuff to be runnable for by

1075
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:06,030
people in their own
infrastructure, not dependent on

1076
01:08:06,030 --> 01:08:11,580
things. But you know, I don't
know as sometimes I don't know,

1077
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:15,300
I mean, how you'd have to ask
yourself, well, how many people

1078
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:18,240
are going to run a lightning you
know, Ally need to activity pub

1079
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,220
bridge, I mean, I don't know
that that's really going to be

1080
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:23,190
something that lots of people
want it to. That's a really

1081
01:08:23,190 --> 01:08:28,260
specific niche thing. So
sometimes I don't feel really

1082
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:32,940
like it's worth the time because
when you make something when you

1083
01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:35,430
make something, oh, it'll be
open whatever we do will be open

1084
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:39,510
source. But I mean, when you
make use something, not only

1085
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:43,710
open source but also when you
when you curate it and care for

1086
01:08:43,710 --> 01:08:46,740
it in a way that lets other
people run it on their system.

1087
01:08:46,770 --> 01:08:50,850
Yeah, that's, that's you're
signing up for support long term

1088
01:08:51,150 --> 01:08:54,420
for a lot of work, a lot of work
and a lot of bug fixes and

1089
01:08:54,420 --> 01:08:57,390
things like that. And I don't
not sure this I'm not sure the

1090
01:08:57,390 --> 01:09:00,630
trade off here is worth it. But
I don't know maybe I mean, we'll

1091
01:09:00,630 --> 01:09:02,970
we'll see this may not work like
I think yeah,

1092
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:08,430
so if I were to describe this
you were going to do a basically

1093
01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:16,200
a mastodon API server in rust.
I'm hearing you say

1094
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:23,700
it would be a it would be a US
it would be a software that

1095
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:31,680
looks for incoming lightning
payments. That queries a node

1096
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:37,920
for incoming payments. extracts
the TLV sees if the message is

1097
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,760
is meant to be public or not if
it's okay to for it to be

1098
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:49,290
public. And then if it is it
crossed it posts it to it looks

1099
01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:55,710
up the episode information out
of the to V gets the root post

1100
01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:58,590
from the social interact tag if
there is one and if there is one

1101
01:09:58,590 --> 01:10:01,650
it posts as that As a reply to
that Ruth doll,

1102
01:10:01,650 --> 01:10:04,500
that's beautiful. Let me go to
chat GPT. Let me ask them to

1103
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:09,990
write the code on. Oh, Chad GPT
is at capacity right now. Oh,

1104
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:11,580
no. Oh, that's

1105
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:14,100
$3 million a day hurts. Oh, no,

1106
01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:17,790
oh, no. But last server cannot
cope the error message rings

1107
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:19,620
loud and clear. Please check
back soon.

1108
01:10:20,249 --> 01:10:22,589
You can't even ask it. When it's
going to be back up again. You

1109
01:10:22,589 --> 01:10:23,789
can get notified when

1110
01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:27,690
we're back. And you fill in your
email address. You get

1111
01:10:27,690 --> 01:10:31,260
notified when they get more
money. Can I heard that they

1112
01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:34,080
heard that that thing cost like
$3 million a day to run?

1113
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,180
Well, there's a lot of noise
about this. And I made the bold

1114
01:10:39,180 --> 01:10:41,130
prediction on the show. We
didn't hear yesterday I said

1115
01:10:41,130 --> 01:10:43,290
this thing is going to fail.
It's gonna be a massive failure.

1116
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:45,900
It's gonna be billions of
dollars and for whatever the

1117
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:50,220
reason is, it's not going to
take off just yet. GPT. Yeah.

1118
01:10:51,150 --> 01:10:54,660
This whole book I read, and I
actually got it to admit the

1119
01:10:54,660 --> 01:10:58,740
other day that it was typing. He
got it to Oh, yeah, I did. I was

1120
01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:05,190
I met. Because it's, yes. Well,
it's a trick, you know, what is

1121
01:11:05,190 --> 01:11:08,790
the trick? The trick to
humanizes it is it's typing its

1122
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:13,890
answer to you. You know, it's a
part in my mind, that's a parlor

1123
01:11:13,890 --> 01:11:16,890
trick. You know what I mean?
It's like, okay, that's

1124
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:22,500
impressive. But I said, I didn't
even ask a question. I say. He's

1125
01:11:22,500 --> 01:11:26,130
typing out the words of I did. I
said to a statement, it is a

1126
01:11:26,130 --> 01:11:29,430
parlor trick. typing out the
words to make you appear more

1127
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:33,300
human in quotes. Answer Yes.
providing answers in a way that

1128
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:36,150
is similar to how a human would
respond is one way to make the

1129
01:11:36,150 --> 01:11:39,000
interaction with the AI feel
more natural and intuitive for

1130
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,950
users? There you go. It's a
trick. So it feels if it just

1131
01:11:43,950 --> 01:11:46,680
spit back a block of code, it
wouldn't be as exciting.

1132
01:11:48,150 --> 01:11:50,220
Yeah, so the only thing that
would make it better is if it

1133
01:11:50,220 --> 01:11:53,490
was in that green screen,
monochrome CRT format,

1134
01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:56,010
and it ended with would you like
to play a game

1135
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,370
that would then it would be
good. It was all grainy. Yeah.

1136
01:11:59,910 --> 01:12:02,910
So it's a parlor trick, really.
And it's wrong. I mean, that's

1137
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,540
really wrong. And that's going
to piss people off.

1138
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,710
Now, the one thing that I have,
I don't have X says to it,

1139
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:13,710
because I didn't want to give it
my personal information. But the

1140
01:12:14,130 --> 01:12:17,340
one one thing I don't know that
anybody's asked it is, write

1141
01:12:17,340 --> 01:12:19,680
some code that will query the
podcast index.

1142
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:23,160
Okay, hold on. I just got in
again. Let me okay, they

1143
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,810
get them they get a VC infusion.

1144
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,340
They got some money. Oh, it's
all spending a lot of time on

1145
01:12:29,340 --> 01:12:34,710
signing in. Oh, I don't know. I
don't know you're getting. Wow,

1146
01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:39,540
I wish I had the Ms. PacMan sad
sound. Well, that may not log

1147
01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:45,210
in. Okay. Okay. Oh, wait, I'm
sorry. Here it is. What was the

1148
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:45,780
question?

1149
01:12:47,460 --> 01:12:53,280
ricin code that will query
podcast index for episode data.

1150
01:12:54,450 --> 01:13:01,530
Podcast index. I'll do.org and
give it a help write some code

1151
01:13:01,620 --> 01:13:06,120
that will query? Because that's
what you said.

1152
01:13:06,150 --> 01:13:08,070
Yeah, no, no, I'm laughing to
myself.

1153
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:10,860
No query the podcast,

1154
01:13:11,610 --> 01:13:12,780
index API

1155
01:13:12,810 --> 01:13:14,370
index API

1156
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:16,680
for episode data.

1157
01:13:17,610 --> 01:13:26,160
For Episode Episode data. All
right. Let's go. Here's some

1158
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,250
Python code that uses the
request library to query the

1159
01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:31,650
podcast API for episode data.

1160
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:35,400
Podcast API was a podcast API,

1161
01:13:36,210 --> 01:13:40,650
a podcast index API. I'm sorry,
it's writing import requests. It

1162
01:13:40,650 --> 01:13:44,340
has a URL for the module episode
API dot podcast

1163
01:13:44,340 --> 01:13:52,320
index.org/api/one.zero. Episode
slash bi underscore feed. Let me

1164
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,960
send this code. Let me send this
code to you Dave. I'm not sure

1165
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,010
if it's actually code.

1166
01:13:56,610 --> 01:13:59,430
I wonder if you go, what if it
just basically just scraped the

1167
01:13:59,430 --> 01:14:00,420
GitHub repo?

1168
01:14:02,370 --> 01:14:05,970
Out? In my mind, it gives me a
whole explanation. Oh, they've

1169
01:14:05,970 --> 01:14:08,010
got more code. Oh, goodness.

1170
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:10,440
What's it doing now as

1171
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:13,260
much as in the code above, we
first I sent it to you on

1172
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:16,470
signal. We first import the
request library. Then we defined

1173
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:21,240
the base URL for the podcast.
It's basically just it gets the

1174
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,150
response to JSON. And

1175
01:14:25,980 --> 01:14:27,180
that's completely wrong.

1176
01:14:28,290 --> 01:14:30,360
Even I can see this is wrong.
This is wrong.

1177
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,930
It's showing you through zation
tokens. It's showing

1178
01:14:33,930 --> 01:14:36,480
you how to access an API
basically is not held

1179
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,980
feeds.megaphone.fm/some podcast
dash feed, okay.

1180
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:43,800
Well, that's not even they don't
even get our API endpoint,

1181
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,950
right? It's not episodes slash
by underscore feed. That's

1182
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:47,520
wrong.

1183
01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:53,550
Well, how come my code doesn't
work? Put in the code didn't

1184
01:14:53,550 --> 01:14:54,210
work.

1185
01:14:57,900 --> 01:15:00,750
Let's see what it says somebody
in Marmo or somebody is going to

1186
01:15:00,750 --> 01:15:03,930
email us and say, Hey, I got
this code and it doesn't work.

1187
01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:05,850
Can you help me troubleshoot and
it's gonna be this crap.

1188
01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:09,330
Anyway, it spending,

1189
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,240
I'm gonna say 24 hours you give
me 24 hours.

1190
01:15:13,349 --> 01:15:16,019
It's been it's spending a lot of
time telling me why why it's not

1191
01:15:16,019 --> 01:15:20,579
gonna work. Okay, fine. All
right, so it's not all that

1192
01:15:20,579 --> 01:15:21,059
impressive.

1193
01:15:21,330 --> 01:15:22,140
Gotcha. Yes.

1194
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,820
Ah, all right. What else do we
have to talk about? I have a

1195
01:15:26,820 --> 01:15:29,340
couple of things here. What do
you have anything on your oh, I

1196
01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:33,660
want to thank blueberry, I put
two links in, in the show notes.

1197
01:15:33,900 --> 01:15:39,570
For the it's the boost bots,
code, GitHub, and the iron

1198
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,960
cacophony, which is the
framework for triggering sounds

1199
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,300
via IRC. So great name, but I'd
love to have an umbrella app or

1200
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:51,180
something or something that that
just runs this stuff. Because

1201
01:15:51,420 --> 01:15:56,070
clearly my chat GPT is not going
to be able to help me. I'd love

1202
01:15:57,390 --> 01:16:01,050
I'd love to have this, you know,
firing different sounds. It's

1203
01:16:01,050 --> 01:16:03,180
cool. It's really, really cool.
I like it a lot.

1204
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:08,880
I got. So I've been playing
around with Nathan gathright.

1205
01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:11,730
We're talking a lot about him
today. He he's actually going to

1206
01:16:11,730 --> 01:16:15,240
be on the show soon. Post this,
get him on Nathan, Nathan G.

1207
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,070
From from Nathan gathright. He's
worked for Spotify. Now. He's

1208
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:27,870
they just He's all over podcast
index dot social. He's real

1209
01:16:27,870 --> 01:16:34,770
helpful. Good guy. Right. But he
wrote a he wrote a podcast,

1210
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:44,520
image API using Cloudflare
workers. And he's showing me how

1211
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,240
he sent me the code, show me how
to deploy it. And it works

1212
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,610
great. So I've been playing
around with that that's the same

1213
01:16:50,610 --> 01:16:53,550
as the thing we've been trying
to build for years, you know,

1214
01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:56,130
multiple times too. So
basically, you can just ask it

1215
01:16:56,130 --> 01:17:03,420
for a you can just ask it for a
an image of a feed of a feed

1216
01:17:03,420 --> 01:17:06,930
GUID. You can just say, here's
the feed good. And I need an

1217
01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:12,510
image. Any I need its image and
I want it to be this size. And

1218
01:17:12,510 --> 01:17:13,530
it will just give all

1219
01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:16,710
right, right? How beautiful.
You've been working on that?

1220
01:17:17,250 --> 01:17:19,860
No, it will. I've been playing
around with the code. He wrote,

1221
01:17:19,890 --> 01:17:23,160
oh, cool. Works great. I
deployed it to our Cloudflare

1222
01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:27,930
you know, instance, or schema or
whatever you want to call that

1223
01:17:27,930 --> 01:17:31,470
tenant, or Cloudflare tenant,
and it works. It works killer.

1224
01:17:31,470 --> 01:17:35,550
And so I want to I gotta have
get some a little bit more time

1225
01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:40,800
to, to play with and see it,
make sure I fully understand how

1226
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,590
it's working. And then
hopefully, we can get him on the

1227
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:46,590
show. Because he's also building
steno.fm. You know, the

1228
01:17:46,590 --> 01:17:47,190
transcript.

1229
01:17:48,420 --> 01:17:51,060
Right. Okay. Now I know what
you're talking about. Yes, yes.

1230
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:55,410
So hopefully, when he gets some
traction on that, it gets ready

1231
01:17:55,410 --> 01:17:57,960
for that we'll have him on, we
just go over all of it at the

1232
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,930
same time. But it's pretty
killer. And I'm Hope I'm hoping

1233
01:18:00,930 --> 01:18:03,240
that this will solve people's
problems, because now you can

1234
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,320
just have one cause enabled
place to request images, you

1235
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,060
don't have to have 4 million
different your domains, the jet

1236
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:14,700
request images from and they're
all stand, they're all

1237
01:18:14,700 --> 01:18:17,970
normalized. You don't have to
worry about getting back a PDF.

1238
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,840
Yeah, no, it's great. It's
exactly it's working exactly

1239
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,070
like what, when

1240
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,120
any that anyone can set up and
then run themselves.

1241
01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:33,630
Yeah, he's published the code is
open, aka beautiful.

1242
01:18:33,660 --> 01:18:36,120
I want that on my own bro, too.
I want all of it on my Umbral

1243
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:40,890
does not, this is not only not
only Umbral friendly, no,

1244
01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:43,680
yes, yeah, you have to you
deploy it, you essentially you

1245
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,340
download it, you download the
you clone the repo and then you

1246
01:18:47,730 --> 01:18:51,360
put in your Cloudflare
information and you deploy the

1247
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:57,570
code to your Cloudflare workers.
And it will then begin to do

1248
01:18:57,570 --> 01:19:01,560
your thing, because you set up a
dumb a specific subdomain to

1249
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,350
call that Cloudflare. worker and
then that's how you interact

1250
01:19:04,350 --> 01:19:08,370
with it. It's great, cool. It's
great.

1251
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:11,310
But I mean, all these things are
just, you're right. I think

1252
01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:14,070
we've got a lot we have a lot of
serious development going on

1253
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:15,690
recently. It feels really good.

1254
01:19:16,290 --> 01:19:20,790
It does. Yeah, it does. It feels
good to have a big a bunch of a

1255
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:27,000
bunch of good solid development
going on. Yeah. During, in a in

1256
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,630
a mature project is not the
early days anymore, you know,

1257
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:33,240
mean things or we've been we've
been here a while now. And so

1258
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:37,290
there's still big nice progress
being made, which is it's a good

1259
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:38,280
feeling. It's good feel,

1260
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:43,170
shall we thank a few people. So
we can Yeah, because we were

1261
01:19:43,170 --> 01:19:45,930
playing around so much before we
started the show talking about

1262
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:50,100
cars, which I apologize to the
podcast listeners because it was

1263
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:50,760
good stuff.

1264
01:19:53,730 --> 01:19:54,600
Tune in early.

1265
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:57,510
That's right when you want it
when we go live. You want to be

1266
01:19:57,510 --> 01:20:03,420
there. Let's he kick it off here
with these are the live boosts

1267
01:20:03,420 --> 01:20:06,240
came in. And as you guys you
heard we don't take money from

1268
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,680
corporations we don't use
advertising, your support of

1269
01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:15,600
podcasts index, the show
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1270
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:20,160
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1271
01:20:20,370 --> 01:20:25,200
goes into providing liquidity.
Anybody who has a node or wants

1272
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,260
them wants a channel, we're
happy to give it to you not a

1273
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:32,130
problem at all. Even if it
screws up and closes we'll open

1274
01:20:32,130 --> 01:20:36,420
up a new one. That stuff happens
so we're happy to do it. Anyone

1275
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:40,440
who needs it and yeah, it keeps
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1276
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:43,260
do that by going to podcast
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1277
01:20:43,260 --> 01:20:46,560
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1278
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,620
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1279
01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:54,990
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1280
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1281
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,120
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1282
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:08,040
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1283
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coming in from fountain
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1284
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:22,530
Have I been annexed by fascists?
Oh yeah, you have Mike Newman

1285
01:21:22,890 --> 01:21:30,840
123456 Boost boost boost very
nice man. Shot Caller 20 blades

1286
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:34,560
on him follow these days that's
a you know Bitcoin moving

1287
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,070
towards 20,000 That's nice Mike
Newman celebrating get Albion

1288
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:42,810
fountain.fm joining the party
easing the Fiat to freedom

1289
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:44,910
Yeah, thank you much. Thanks,

1290
01:21:44,910 --> 01:21:50,910
Bruce. And that week that came
in from pod verse next we have

1291
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:57,150
see no name we got Eric p p
33,333. Thank you very much.

1292
01:21:57,510 --> 01:22:03,420
Dobby das who actually prompt us
rot Lu is that our Oh okay.

1293
01:22:03,420 --> 01:22:06,690
Right prompted me to get the
HTTPS thing working Thank you

1294
01:22:06,690 --> 01:22:13,110
very much. 17,777 this like a
straight up striper boost, I

1295
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:18,210
guess one one striper boost chat
F 3333. He says I've been using

1296
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,700
lb with POD verse and iOS for
the past month and it's been

1297
01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:26,310
rock solid agree. There's
blueberry 33,333 Does anyone

1298
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,940
present have an opinion on an
open source solution to substack

1299
01:22:29,940 --> 01:22:32,970
for weekly newsletters show
notes will be nice to link

1300
01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:36,720
inside the article for headers
to headers for chapters. Also

1301
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,690
finally got some inspiration for
value for value GIF art for the

1302
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:40,830
lips get pumped.

1303
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,520
Alex recommended to me the other
day write freely. And

1304
01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:51,840
I've liked it. That's a cool
little thing. Yes, I agree. That

1305
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:52,110
is good.

1306
01:22:52,110 --> 01:22:55,080
I think that's a good I think
that think his use of it is

1307
01:22:55,140 --> 01:22:57,480
enough endorsement for me to get

1308
01:22:59,340 --> 01:23:02,820
10,000 SATs from Chad F who was
clearly listening listening to

1309
01:23:02,820 --> 01:23:07,650
the pregame. He says nothing
screams X MTV VJ like an El

1310
01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:08,400
Camino

1311
01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:14,250
is that the chosen vehicle?
vixen TVs only

1312
01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:19,350
if you have the vanity plate.
MTV rocks are Oh X. Okay. By the

1313
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:24,960
way when I was at MTV, and I
just had registered mtv.com I

1314
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,000
had mtv.com has a license plate

1315
01:23:27,690 --> 01:23:30,090
that you get the DoD you throw
it in with a sharpie Exactly.

1316
01:23:31,470 --> 01:23:34,500
Martin Linda's code with a row
of ducks soon talking with Mr.

1317
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:38,400
Palmer's talk listen to you guys
later on. Oh, okay. The Tea

1318
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,610
Party media podcast. Thank you.
We have Dred Scott. Pre

1319
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:48,390
boosting. You says 88,888. Go
podcasting. Thank you. Very

1320
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:51,330
nice. 1000 SATs. Gosh, sorry,

1321
01:23:51,449 --> 01:23:54,749
by the way, Mike Newman. It
gives a baller bass while ago.

1322
01:23:54,749 --> 01:24:00,209
He is the maintainer of the team
repo that keeps credit where

1323
01:24:00,209 --> 01:24:03,059
credit is due. Oh, excellent.
Excellent. Excellent.

1324
01:24:05,220 --> 01:24:08,400
Where are we Sockeye? The horse
with 1000 No, no, thank you.

1325
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:12,810
Thank you Sockeye. Boop,
donation. No, that's not the

1326
01:24:12,810 --> 01:24:17,250
sound that I'm looking at my my
helipad, that's why I'm mixing

1327
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:21,810
it up here. I think that
actually that was it. We had a

1328
01:24:21,870 --> 01:24:24,210
no this is five hours ago.
That's that's the delimiter

1329
01:24:24,210 --> 01:24:28,110
comics reblog. Okay, so over to
you, Dave. Would you've got the

1330
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:30,600
pay pals the boost, and the
monthlies.

1331
01:24:31,050 --> 01:24:34,830
We have no paper towels, zero
paper towels. We got monthlies,

1332
01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:37,710
but we don't have any one. Oh,
we are transitioning.

1333
01:24:37,980 --> 01:24:41,850
We are we are off off the paper
towels. I'm really happy because

1334
01:24:41,850 --> 01:24:45,810
we we still have money. We can
still pay the bills. So this is

1335
01:24:45,810 --> 01:24:47,790
good. Thank you all. Thank you
all very much.

1336
01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:52,470
I'm the I'm waiting to see how
that's another reason I'm

1337
01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:58,290
proceeding cautiously with the
podcast with Nathan's podcast

1338
01:24:58,290 --> 01:25:01,230
image repo code on one waiting
to see how this impacts the

1339
01:25:01,230 --> 01:25:05,070
bottom line. Yeah, on the
Cloudflare thinks I don't

1340
01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:09,390
looking at the pricing table. I
feel pretty good about it. I

1341
01:25:09,390 --> 01:25:11,130
don't think it's going to be a
killer. What's our

1342
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:17,490
Cloudflare Bill these days? It's
like Cloud sandbox. 7080 bucks.

1343
01:25:17,850 --> 01:25:24,240
Yes. $70 $75 Something like
that. And then our Linode bill

1344
01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:29,880
is around 500 Yeah, yes, it's
it's I think it's I think it's

1345
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:35,220
Cloudflare is like 7070 bucks.
I'm like that. I'll get Yeah,

1346
01:25:35,220 --> 01:25:38,670
but we do have some bootcamps we
got the 500 from in a millennial

1347
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:41,460
says love hearing from Mitch and
love pod verse boosted through

1348
01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:43,140
fountain for maximum irony.

1349
01:25:45,090 --> 01:25:47,070
Yes, well done. Yes.

1350
01:25:47,999 --> 01:25:55,649
Chimp sits as 97,531 SATs
through. Nice is boosting from

1351
01:25:55,649 --> 01:25:57,779
Miami, home of the FTX arena.

1352
01:25:59,820 --> 01:26:03,120
By the way, I saw in the new
fountain there was like an

1353
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,840
activity stream on the homepage
now. I saw you boosting a

1354
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:11,610
podcast with 200,000 SATs you
baller you ball ball. You know

1355
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:14,430
what that you know what that
did? To me? It made me subscribe

1356
01:26:14,430 --> 01:26:16,230
to that podcast. Oh,

1357
01:26:16,230 --> 01:26:18,510
I thought you're gonna say
ashamed you into sin descending

1358
01:26:18,510 --> 01:26:18,990
bigger booth.

1359
01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:21,450
No, I didn't. I've never I don't
know what podcast that was I

1360
01:26:21,450 --> 01:26:24,840
just whatever it is. Then this,
by the way is your podcast

1361
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:29,160
discovery. This is your
discovery. When I see when I see

1362
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:34,020
Dave Jones. liking something
with 200,000 SATs. I'm like I'm

1363
01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:37,050
gonna I'm gonna subscribe. I'll
listen to it later. It's got to

1364
01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:37,500
be good.

1365
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:40,830
That's a bunch of buddies of
mine that do a Dungeons and

1366
01:26:40,830 --> 01:26:45,420
Dragons podcast and they're
like, it's funny. It's just so

1367
01:26:45,420 --> 01:26:45,990
that's

1368
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:47,880
what that is. Okay, I'm gonna
describe

1369
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,270
it was it was funny because
because their their DNA. Their

1370
01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:57,630
d&d campaign is set in Coleman
at Coleman County, Alabama.

1371
01:26:59,310 --> 01:27:03,780
What's interesting now when I
liked your comment, for some

1372
01:27:03,780 --> 01:27:10,170
reason it was 420 shots. I think
it does like a multiple of so

1373
01:27:10,170 --> 01:27:14,880
you had I have my my minute Sats
are always set to 200 SATs a

1374
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,000
minute. So because it was a two
so I guess it because it was

1375
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,380
200,000 SATs. It took that it
added the 20 And it turned out

1376
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:26,520
to be 420 which I just thought
was funny by itself. Whatever

1377
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,800
fountain is doing I like it
you're taking my money and I'm

1378
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,600
feeling good about it. So well
done.

1379
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,130
What is looking at fountains
charts here because I was

1380
01:27:35,370 --> 01:27:39,180
because they just brought their
podcast back because it had been

1381
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:41,460
gone for a while and I was like
I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a

1382
01:27:41,460 --> 01:27:44,760
big baller boost to try to get
them up on the charts here. But

1383
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,540
I don't know how these things
are calculated. So game the

1384
01:27:48,540 --> 01:27:48,930
system,

1385
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:53,400
smoke and mirrors man smoke
doesn't matter. I'm always happy

1386
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,160
when there's someone else on top
because one of the shows I'm

1387
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,250
doing it's like, it makes it
somebody else please.

1388
01:28:00,630 --> 01:28:03,480
That your modesty just some
modest No, I

1389
01:28:04,050 --> 01:28:06,450
don't really like leaderboards
and charts. But you know, I'm

1390
01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:09,390
not going to tell them not to
put us on it. Because of course

1391
01:28:09,390 --> 01:28:11,820
Tina gets a big kick out of
seeing Corinne the keeper on the

1392
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:12,330
list

1393
01:28:12,869 --> 01:28:19,049
this year. Okay, Martin Linda
Skog. 2222 Row ducks he says

1394
01:28:19,049 --> 01:28:24,209
Dave, did you get my late 2022
Booster gram of 123456 Satoshis

1395
01:28:24,329 --> 01:28:25,109
Yes, the missing

1396
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:28,230
Oh, we found that we found the
first one. Yes. Okay. Yes

1397
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:37,800
I did find it. And I printed it
out. And it's upstairs.

1398
01:28:38,820 --> 01:28:41,640
Well done. Well done, sir. Okay,
sir.

1399
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,700
Cool. Double make good next
week.

1400
01:28:46,110 --> 01:28:47,670
All right, you better write that
down.

1401
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:49,290
I am. I'm ready to see.

1402
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:52,590
I'm gonna put it in the show
notes myself. I'm a reminder

1403
01:28:52,590 --> 01:28:54,420
hornsund is going to pop up for
me. I really

1404
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:56,160
just know.

1405
01:28:57,570 --> 01:29:00,660
This is the ultimate way to do
value for value people. This is

1406
01:29:00,660 --> 01:29:01,590
how you do it.

1407
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,350
Jean being 2222 through fountain
he says regarding Mastodon and

1408
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:11,970
sidekick at NOVA at Hackett
derm.io and team are looking at

1409
01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:16,890
the scalability and alternative
solutions. Okay. All right. All

1410
01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:20,970
right. Good luck, Nova. Yep. Je
mean again 2222 through fountain

1411
01:29:20,970 --> 01:29:24,030
he says, oh, yikes. I had no
idea episode splits were not

1412
01:29:24,030 --> 01:29:28,140
supported by pod verse. Well,
they are. No no,

1413
01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:31,050
no, no, no, no, those are not.
That's not and that's a real

1414
01:29:31,050 --> 01:29:31,590
problem.

1415
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,250
That's right. I'm on Buzzsprout
and like most hosts, they direct

1416
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:39,120
me to the podcaster wallet right
now. Well, Pa episode splits

1417
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,460
aren't on podcast or wallet
either. So that's

1418
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,180
why I thought you could do
episode splits. I guess you

1419
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:48,450
can't do them on podcast a while
only only show level.

1420
01:29:50,010 --> 01:29:52,590
That's right. Yeah, grumble?

1421
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:55,290
Yeah, that is that is a groan
because I really rely on this

1422
01:29:55,290 --> 01:29:59,970
and I feel kind of bad because
we have people listening on pod

1423
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,410
URLs to the list shows and and
the await no agenda does do it

1424
01:30:04,410 --> 01:30:06,570
at the show level. Okay. Yeah,

1425
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,680
you do. I think you do it
whenever. I think you put it at

1426
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,460
the show level also each week
like when there's a new person,

1427
01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:14,790
right?

1428
01:30:15,450 --> 01:30:20,730
I know agenda Yes, but not on
podcasting. 2.0 I just I've just

1429
01:30:20,730 --> 01:30:22,560
always been doing it at the
episode level.

1430
01:30:23,370 --> 01:30:28,260
Yeah. Okay, there's Mitch. ALIX.
Okay. Yes, he didn't last week.

1431
01:30:28,740 --> 01:30:31,200
All right. Yeah, I'll revisit
that at some point. I'll get

1432
01:30:31,230 --> 01:30:35,700
I'll put it in the chat F
50,000. Sets. Do pod verse no

1433
01:30:35,700 --> 01:30:36,540
note No, thank

1434
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:37,050
you very much.

1435
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,500
Just give me do a no chair.

1436
01:30:40,530 --> 01:30:42,090
No man. Notice.

1437
01:30:42,510 --> 01:30:48,000
Note. No Python booster. Gene
been again 2222 says Dave, can

1438
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,320
you see no Dave You can change
Mastodon to where all signups

1439
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,870
have to be approved. Foster Don
does it yes, we do this too.

1440
01:30:55,170 --> 01:30:55,650
That's right.

1441
01:30:56,490 --> 01:31:00,000
Three Three boosts from Gene F
boost boost boost. Boost.

1442
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,530
James Cridland 1001 through
fountain he says great episode

1443
01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:07,050
super good to hear everyone
pulling towards cross app

1444
01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:10,890
comments in a way that can work
for everyone go podcasting. Now

1445
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,340
last week's episode was great.
It was very productive 1001

1446
01:31:14,340 --> 01:31:19,590
SATs you don't get to go
podcasting in a movie boost by

1447
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:23,940
Central 77,777 Saturday's show
the other day

1448
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:29,250
Oh yeah. That's mega striper.
That's an arena striper arena

1449
01:31:37,020 --> 01:31:42,510
with a Keto is Yeah, I thought I
thought last week's episode was

1450
01:31:42,510 --> 01:31:46,950
great was great. When you have
professionals on the show

1451
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:51,120
instead of those two Yahoo's
things get done it you know,

1452
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,900
that's what I liked about the
episode. I it was definitely not

1453
01:31:54,900 --> 01:31:59,280
for everybody. But I agree that
it was it was an you had done

1454
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,250
this on purpose and I liked it a
lot you brought in the people

1455
01:32:02,250 --> 01:32:07,230
who could actually cut through
the crap and and figure it out.

1456
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:11,280
And we made some I think we had
some conclusions and that

1457
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:14,550
sparked good stuff with the
people. It surely was a board

1458
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:16,500
meeting conversation. Yeah.

1459
01:32:17,550 --> 01:32:24,060
I know when we need the charity
to come in, give us in and give

1460
01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:26,490
us some in whip us into shape.

1461
01:32:26,789 --> 01:32:28,619
Yes, you do. You do.

1462
01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:34,889
Appreciate Alex coming on. And
Mitch both. Roland 1000 SATs he

1463
01:32:34,889 --> 01:32:38,399
says I set up my V for V podcast
with anchor LB and podcaster

1464
01:32:38,399 --> 01:32:40,499
wallet. We'll go Roland. Good
job dude.

1465
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,500
All right, buddy. Host Mike Dell

1466
01:32:43,530 --> 01:32:46,890
22 to 22 Big row ducks through
pod verse. He says blueberry is

1467
01:32:46,890 --> 01:32:52,620
podcasting. 2.0 certified.
That's right. You are

1468
01:32:54,060 --> 01:32:56,790
that's that's really big. And
I'm really excited that the

1469
01:32:56,790 --> 01:33:01,350
blueberry is John that tip. That
leaves leaves only Lipson right,

1470
01:33:01,350 --> 01:33:05,850
who are just slagging. What are
you laughing at me?

1471
01:33:06,180 --> 01:33:09,360
Why are you rapping? No, I'm a
raffinate. Lipson.

1472
01:33:10,289 --> 01:33:14,039
You know, curdling keeps hinting
the funny that a podcast company

1473
01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:17,099
will go bankrupt this year. And
I can't help it. But I always

1474
01:33:17,099 --> 01:33:17,819
hear Lipson,

1475
01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:21,780
my mind, they're not going back
to I know who it is. You know

1476
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:25,710
who it is, how it's going, but
I've got I've got my I've got my

1477
01:33:25,710 --> 01:33:28,470
theory about who's going oh, you
have a theory. Okay. All right.

1478
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:32,100
Yes, I can. I'm not going to
hurt his feelings.

1479
01:33:32,130 --> 01:33:39,150
No. Can we can we help them? No,
no. Okay. All right. Done. All

1480
01:33:39,150 --> 01:33:39,540
right.

1481
01:33:40,860 --> 01:33:44,430
Mike Dell, I mean, hold on. I'm
sorry. I'm sorry.

1482
01:33:45,780 --> 01:33:48,690
You say we can help them?
Whatever it is, someone's having

1483
01:33:48,690 --> 01:33:52,140
a financial issue. I'm really
good at helping people raise

1484
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:56,310
money. And if it's if it's
someone that, you know, that

1485
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:59,460
wants to be helped, I mean, I'm
I just don't want to laugh it

1486
01:33:59,460 --> 01:34:02,910
off. Is there any way we can
help this company?

1487
01:34:04,140 --> 01:34:07,080
I want to be clear that I don't
I don't have inside information.

1488
01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:11,670
I just know that. I just have my
theory about because I've been

1489
01:34:11,670 --> 01:34:15,510
thinking this for about six
months already. That when with

1490
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:18,390
the economy, and we're starting
to see we're starting to see

1491
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:23,850
layoffs. Not just layoffs on on
big companies, but layoffs on

1492
01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:28,170
they're starting to hit the
smaller companies too. Yeah. And

1493
01:34:28,290 --> 01:34:32,460
and I think I think the next six
to 12 months is going to be

1494
01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:37,230
painful. For sure. Yeah. So I
don't I don't know like no

1495
01:34:37,230 --> 01:34:41,490
anything. No, like No, no it but
if it's the if it's the company

1496
01:34:41,490 --> 01:34:46,590
that I've thought of for the
last few months, no, no, there's

1497
01:34:46,590 --> 01:34:48,240
no there's no turning

1498
01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:53,580
moments to bad yeah, I will say
if anyone needs help raising

1499
01:34:53,580 --> 01:34:56,910
money or any kind of issues, we
gladly he's here to help if we

1500
01:34:56,910 --> 01:34:59,790
can always always, always happy
to help

1501
01:35:00,989 --> 01:35:04,139
And I'll say that I think that
everybody would be better off if

1502
01:35:04,139 --> 01:35:07,169
it actually happened. 204 anchor

1503
01:35:07,380 --> 01:35:12,210
or anchor anchors are already
safe.

1504
01:35:15,150 --> 01:35:17,250
Yeah, we need to get tied mike
back on the show. I mean, they

1505
01:35:17,250 --> 01:35:19,950
just been we gotta get an update
from the horse's mouth.

1506
01:35:20,250 --> 01:35:23,010
We got we got Oscar Murray
coming up first, I think

1507
01:35:23,340 --> 01:35:28,260
next week. Yeah. And then we're
not sure when I can get Nathan

1508
01:35:28,260 --> 01:35:31,590
on. It depends on him. And then
I'll, we'll get we'll get Todd

1509
01:35:31,590 --> 01:35:32,130
and Miko,

1510
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,250
excellent. Well, because now is
the time that when people

1511
01:35:35,250 --> 01:35:38,100
release something big, this is
where we need to come on the

1512
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:41,220
show. Let's talk about what's
promoted. Hopefully, somewhere

1513
01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:44,760
in the next few weeks, we'll
also have Ibex will complete

1514
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:50,370
their lightning node. I mean,
they have the invoice part and

1515
01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:53,790
it goes because they they can
pay you out in Bitcoin or in US

1516
01:35:53,790 --> 01:35:57,960
dollars through your bank
account, which is a big deal for

1517
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,600
a lot of people who who want to
do it that way.

1518
01:36:01,110 --> 01:36:03,570
And I said, targeting, you're
targeting to one right, you're

1519
01:36:03,570 --> 01:36:05,340
targeting to one? Yeah, I

1520
01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:08,820
mean, I literally just asked for
an update today. It's like, you

1521
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:12,000
know, if, because, you know, if
you get that done, then we'll

1522
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:13,440
promote it will help you.

1523
01:36:14,130 --> 01:36:16,050
What if they say that they're
gonna switch everything to web

1524
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:16,980
monetization?

1525
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:25,290
Well, it's not fair to try and
tease me like that. That's to

1526
01:36:25,290 --> 01:36:26,640
say bad things.

1527
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:32,040
Taking a grant from web. We're
gonna change our business model.

1528
01:36:33,990 --> 01:36:37,080
I love by the way that the
economy is going to shit and it

1529
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:42,780
doesn't matter if we fire either
of us. It doesn't save any

1530
01:36:42,780 --> 01:36:43,170
money.

1531
01:36:45,420 --> 01:36:48,120
That's the good thing about
being cheap. You don't have to

1532
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:52,410
worry about these job security.
That's right. Yeah. Thank you,

1533
01:36:52,410 --> 01:36:55,710
Mike. Appreciate that. Mike Dell
again. 1500 SAS the fountain, he

1534
01:36:55,710 --> 01:37:00,330
says, leaning out my fountain
wallet. Okay, all right. I'm

1535
01:37:00,330 --> 01:37:03,420
gonna be leaning out. Oh, boy
Schonfeld look who showed up

1536
01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:09,360
Hey, Roy 54 321 from breezy says
go podcast.

1537
01:37:09,570 --> 01:37:14,220
And we love that podcast. He is
the only lightning related

1538
01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:19,410
company LSP like company that
has ever supported us. Never

1539
01:37:19,410 --> 01:37:22,950
seen anything from lightning
labs or any of those guys. I

1540
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:23,760
mean, the Bitcoin

1541
01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:27,540
the Bitcoin guys. They talk big
but they never send any, any any

1542
01:37:27,540 --> 01:37:28,200
SATs. No.

1543
01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:31,410
And you know, and any one of
them could send us a full coin.

1544
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:39,509
Yeah. Oh, we've gotten more
SATs, excluding ROI. We've

1545
01:37:39,509 --> 01:37:46,469
gotten more SATs from Brian and
hive and we have from the

1546
01:37:46,469 --> 01:37:47,189
Bitcoin table

1547
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:51,180
and look at the sink it Yeah,
but look at all the app guys.

1548
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:59,220
Fountain supports us. Pod verse
supports us. Several hosting

1549
01:37:59,220 --> 01:38:06,960
companies support us. rss.com
Buzzsprout blueberry, you know,

1550
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:10,530
these. Thank you. Just thank you
so much. Thank you for and when

1551
01:38:10,530 --> 01:38:12,600
I say support, I mean you're
returning value. That's really

1552
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,920
what you're doing. That's nice.
It feels good. Oh, man. Molina's

1553
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,210
cooking something really good.
Smell good. Friday, yeah,

1554
01:38:21,210 --> 01:38:22,500
Friday, Friday. He's

1555
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:24,360
cooking at 220 in the afternoon.

1556
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:27,720
My girl My girl is fantastic,
bro. I tell you.

1557
01:38:29,370 --> 01:38:30,240
Is this a PA?

1558
01:38:30,990 --> 01:38:34,410
You know, I I made her go
through all of the apps doing

1559
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:39,660
all of the sign up. She's so
brave. She's so brave. She is

1560
01:38:39,660 --> 01:38:42,810
great because you know, she is
not afraid but she'll just like

1561
01:38:42,810 --> 01:38:45,600
hey, I don't understand this
stop stop the train.

1562
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:51,900
That's well, I mean that's,
that's valuable information.

1563
01:38:52,590 --> 01:38:56,730
I'm sorry. It's just I smelled
this this meal. There's cooking

1564
01:38:56,730 --> 01:38:58,440
like I got hypnotized.

1565
01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:04,470
Anonymous 10,000 SATs Thank you
anonymous. That was the partners

1566
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:08,490
interesting. Nomad Joe nomad.
Joe since 2000 sets your

1567
01:39:08,490 --> 01:39:11,430
founding sis, thanks for asset
access to the board meeting.

1568
01:39:11,460 --> 01:39:12,090
Well, you're welcome.

1569
01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:15,960
Come on anytime you want to
donate

1570
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:24,180
to coffee on the counter. Yes,
boosts came from busy brain

1571
01:39:24,210 --> 01:39:27,300
centers. 10,000 SATs to founding
says thank you guys for all you

1572
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:29,820
do to build what I personally
think is a world changing

1573
01:39:29,820 --> 01:39:33,240
protocol for the betterment of
society. I feel honored to have

1574
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,910
the opportunity to listen in
from afar. This will be the

1575
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:39,210
first of many boosts you'll
likely see from me in the future

1576
01:39:39,210 --> 01:39:42,780
much love from reading Bitcoin
podcast. Oh, there's a Bitcoin

1577
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:43,140
guy.

1578
01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:45,300
There you go. Thank you Bitcoin
guy.

1579
01:39:46,380 --> 01:39:48,540
Busy brain. You just say you
just did.

1580
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:54,990
And Dred Scott just dropped a
22,222 boost, bro a duck's

1581
01:39:54,990 --> 01:40:01,440
boosting for the pew pew. Oh
hey, Got a drum? We take

1582
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:02,130
requests?

1583
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:08,460
I love the pregnant PP Paul's
Yes, good. Stephen B. Row sticks

1584
01:40:08,490 --> 01:40:11,610
are a satchel of Richards is
through the podcast index

1585
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:16,350
webpage. He says Kiwi browser
mobile test boost. Look at Kiwi

1586
01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:16,830
browser.

1587
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:21,240
Oh, I think that's something
that Oh, kiwi browser runs on

1588
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:27,210
Android and I believe you can
load extensions. So yeah, and

1589
01:40:27,210 --> 01:40:29,610
thank you. There's another app
developer who is supporting us

1590
01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:32,910
with value. Thank you very much,
Steven B. Curio caster. Ha.

1591
01:40:33,690 --> 01:40:36,630
Okay. Okay, I'll have to look
into Kiwi browser. That's cool.

1592
01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:37,320
That's cool.

1593
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:42,840
Roland sent us 1000 SATs through
pod versus testing split

1594
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:48,810
payments with lb test successful
Roland. Very good. The tone

1595
01:40:48,810 --> 01:40:51,450
wrecker sent us 40,000 SATs
through fountain Nene says

1596
01:40:51,450 --> 01:40:57,990
renewing annual scissor
insurance. Please proceed. Just

1597
01:40:58,020 --> 01:41:00,060
please proceed to commence
running again.

1598
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,360
Careful now. Careful, careful
careful,

1599
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:10,050
though. I just think I just got
I got an eyebrow. Okay. Oh, and

1600
01:41:10,050 --> 01:41:13,860
let's see we get trug true
grits. Oh, true grits always

1601
01:41:13,860 --> 01:41:17,190
struggle with this name. 6000
sets their fountain he says, I

1602
01:41:17,190 --> 01:41:18,960
would like to see crosstab
comments, especially for

1603
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,870
podcasts that don't use booster
grams. I would like that to

1604
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:23,340
trigger it. Oh, and

1605
01:41:23,940 --> 01:41:27,930
before I forget, Oscar was
working on some. We made a

1606
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:32,070
suggestion on the website and
some thread we were on about the

1607
01:41:32,460 --> 01:41:36,810
booster Graham's for podcasting
2.0 which are private, and so

1608
01:41:36,810 --> 01:41:41,790
don't don't show up on fountain
and he's working on a way for us

1609
01:41:41,790 --> 01:41:45,090
to toggle it so that after we've
done the live show, then they

1610
01:41:45,090 --> 01:41:50,280
can be displayed, which I think
is a great way to do it. So that

1611
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:53,160
that makes me really happy. So
we still have the surprise

1612
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:57,180
element. And and of course it'd
be even better if we could if we

1613
01:41:57,180 --> 01:42:00,240
wanted to not have one show up
and it doesn't matter if we can

1614
01:42:00,630 --> 01:42:03,930
turn them live after we've done
the live show and gone through

1615
01:42:03,930 --> 01:42:06,210
the donation segment. I love it.
Beautiful idea.

1616
01:42:06,930 --> 01:42:11,700
Cool. chat with him him about
that next week. Commentary

1617
01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:15,780
blogger the delimiter 33,015
says through fountain and he

1618
01:42:15,780 --> 01:42:21,060
says dandy Dave and astute Adam.
Get the scoop on what

1619
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:23,970
technocratic elites are
preparing for humanity by

1620
01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:28,530
portioning out an episode of the
AI dot cooking podcast. There in

1621
01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:31,830
you will find multiple news
items detailing growth in the

1622
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:35,400
field of Artificial Intelligence
along with historical context

1623
01:42:35,490 --> 01:42:39,570
and knowledge all explained by
former crypto day trader and

1624
01:42:39,570 --> 01:42:43,800
marijuana advocate glyph stay
dangerous yo

1625
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,480
yo I just asked chat GPT which
is AI what is the AI duck

1626
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:52,740
cooking podcast and who hosts
it? I'm sorry I'm not aware of

1627
01:42:52,740 --> 01:42:54,360
an AI duck cooking podcast.

1628
01:42:55,050 --> 01:42:56,400
No that's correct.

1629
01:42:56,460 --> 01:42:59,400
It is likely a podcast with that
name that does not exist or a

1630
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:04,200
new podcast my knowledge cut off
is 2021 hour okay. Yeah, I think

1631
01:43:04,230 --> 01:43:10,230
it did it started out is I don't
know. Oh and listen to this now.

1632
01:43:11,340 --> 01:43:14,700
Many podcasts are available for
free through various platforms

1633
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:19,890
such as Spotify, Apple podcasts
and SoundCloud. I say yay, you

1634
01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:25,170
piece of shit. I'm sorry, your
my previous answer does not meet

1635
01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:28,830
your expectations as a language.
Blah, blah. I'm very sorry.

1636
01:43:30,180 --> 01:43:35,820
No, cooking started in April,
April 30 of 2021. So this

1637
01:43:35,820 --> 01:43:42,810
thing's a piece of crap. Yeah,
you can't hide behind your date

1638
01:43:42,810 --> 01:43:47,610
cut off. All right, we got some
monthlies pod verse $50. Thank

1639
01:43:47,610 --> 01:43:55,080
you pod verse. Basil Philip $25
David Norman $25 A David. Lauren

1640
01:43:55,080 --> 01:44:00,960
ball $24.20 Mitch Downey of pod
verse also $10 Christopher

1641
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:06,330
hyperbaric $10 Soren hugger
Mahler. $5 Terry killer $5

1642
01:44:06,510 --> 01:44:12,690
Jeremy Kevin off $10 Chris Cowan
$5 Jeffrey Rutherford $5 Paul

1643
01:44:12,690 --> 01:44:13,350
Saltzman

1644
01:44:13,709 --> 01:44:18,089
2020 wants you always has the
same I always have the same love

1645
01:44:18,089 --> 01:44:18,719
him for that.

1646
01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:25,590
Damon Kassar, Jack $15 and Derek
J Vickery. $21. Great.

1647
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:30,060
I just, I just entered AI period
cooking, which would be the

1648
01:44:30,060 --> 01:44:35,400
correct to AI dot cooking. And
here's what Chad GPT said I

1649
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,070
apologize for my previous
confusion. Ai dot cooking is a

1650
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:41,580
podcast that focuses on the
intersection of AI and culinary

1651
01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:47,190
arts. The podcast is hosted by
sarin Soylu, who is a researcher

1652
01:44:47,190 --> 01:44:49,350
and developer with a background
in artificial intelligence,

1653
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:51,720
robotics and machine learning.
The episodes focused on a wide

1654
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,810
range of topics such as the use
of AI and recipe generation,

1655
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:58,230
kitchen automation and the
future of food. The podcast is

1656
01:44:58,230 --> 01:45:01,260
available on various platforms
including Apple podcasts Spotify

1657
01:45:01,260 --> 01:45:02,190
and SoundCloud

1658
01:45:03,419 --> 01:45:05,879
This is bullcrap. That's not
even true. This podcast doesn't

1659
01:45:05,879 --> 01:45:06,719
exist.

1660
01:45:07,259 --> 01:45:11,159
I don't see AI cooking. I mean,
that's supposed to take us to

1661
01:45:11,159 --> 01:45:12,119
goofs thing, right?

1662
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:18,210
Yeah, yeah. The only a look up
on podcast index AI. If I look

1663
01:45:18,210 --> 01:45:24,300
up AI cooking Yeah, I get a I
get CSBs podcast and I get some

1664
01:45:24,300 --> 01:45:25,830
French thing that doesn't make
any sense.

1665
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:33,150
That is incorrect. Yeah, it's
cares. Is the podcast. Do the

1666
01:45:33,150 --> 01:45:36,150
URL. Give it to it there. Okay.

1667
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,140
Ah yes, this is

1668
01:45:40,380 --> 01:45:43,740
this is this is going to fail so
bad. This is gonna I'm closing

1669
01:45:43,740 --> 01:45:47,340
this out. This is annoying me.
Make sure I never do that again.

1670
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,940
Okay, please never do that.
You'll never make it. Stick in

1671
01:45:50,940 --> 01:45:51,450
your pile.

1672
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:55,710
Oh, please. I'm so sad. I even
started this today. I apologize

1673
01:45:55,710 --> 01:45:58,770
to everybody. I mean, I'm
obsessed with how shitty it is.

1674
01:45:58,800 --> 01:45:59,700
I think that's it.

1675
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:01,470
Yeah, it's like watching a train
wreck.

1676
01:46:01,499 --> 01:46:04,139
I want to do I want to discredit
Yes. I want to discredit it all

1677
01:46:04,139 --> 01:46:05,459
the time. As much as I can.

1678
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:07,800
You did scrolling This is the
audio equivalent of

1679
01:46:10,740 --> 01:46:14,430
okay. Are you got you got a full
weekend of family time? You

1680
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:15,720
didn't do anything fun?

1681
01:46:16,290 --> 01:46:22,170
Yeah, this. This is the last day
of of day job hell week where we

1682
01:46:22,410 --> 01:46:27,810
do big software rollout us phone
system upgrade, a sand a NET app

1683
01:46:27,810 --> 01:46:31,380
sand storage firmware upgrade
and onboard about 10 employees

1684
01:46:31,380 --> 01:46:31,980
on same way.

1685
01:46:32,010 --> 01:46:36,660
Wow. Did you also do the no tam
upgrade? Wednesday? No, Tam,

1686
01:46:36,660 --> 01:46:37,890
yeah. The notice to Airmen.

1687
01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:45,510
What was that? It's not to give
me the full and a skinny but

1688
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:48,930
give me the like, give me this
thumbnail sketch what happened?

1689
01:46:49,860 --> 01:46:54,720
You know what? The opening of of
yesterday's no agenda is is half

1690
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:57,240
an hour. And it's all about
that, because you can't really

1691
01:46:57,270 --> 01:47:00,360
do a thumbnail sketch. I'll just
listen to there's too much. And

1692
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,630
I'm getting information now
from, you know, from people

1693
01:47:03,630 --> 01:47:07,710
really in the know. But let's
put it this way. I've been a

1694
01:47:07,710 --> 01:47:10,290
pilot for 16 years, this has
never happened before.

1695
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:13,770
So it was definitely a software
problem. Is that fair to say?

1696
01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,300
In in, in so far that the
software did not publish the

1697
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:23,010
information? It was supposed to?
Who? That that's not good. That

1698
01:47:23,010 --> 01:47:25,680
doesn't mean that it was a
problem. That could have just

1699
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,860
been a stop. Whole bunch of
reasons I could have happened.

1700
01:47:30,090 --> 01:47:30,360
Well,

1701
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:36,120
Alex, because he thinks his
government problems.

1702
01:47:36,150 --> 01:47:39,990
There was a lot of fighter jets
and air tankers, though at the

1703
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:42,540
same time. So I don't know.
Could just be coincidence, it

1704
01:47:42,540 --> 01:47:43,740
could just be coincidence.

1705
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:49,170
Oh, I like him. But I like how
you said, Oh, this thing went

1706
01:47:49,170 --> 01:47:51,450
horribly wrong. It must have
been David did that upgrade?

1707
01:47:52,170 --> 01:47:52,920
Thanks a lot for that.

1708
01:47:52,950 --> 01:47:54,480
I didn't mean it like that.

1709
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:57,360
No, I forgive. In fact,

1710
01:47:57,390 --> 01:48:01,260
in fact, your stuff is rock
solid. The Freedom controller

1711
01:48:01,260 --> 01:48:03,180
has been running for how many
years now? Dave,

1712
01:48:03,659 --> 01:48:06,569
I'm afraid I typed the word
uptime because I don't even want

1713
01:48:06,569 --> 01:48:07,559
to know it's scary.

1714
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:11,010
It's so awesome. How long this
thing has been. It's been

1715
01:48:11,010 --> 01:48:15,240
running. And I think the last
time I had an issue was years

1716
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,130
ago. years ago.

1717
01:48:17,550 --> 01:48:22,230
I'm gonna check the uptime on
your server today. I bet you is

1718
01:48:22,230 --> 01:48:23,520
like five years.

1719
01:48:25,980 --> 01:48:28,350
Let me see. Freedom. I thought I
had a

1720
01:48:29,670 --> 01:48:34,200
SSH into there. I do. I'm afraid
to even SSH into it.

1721
01:48:35,820 --> 01:48:41,550
I have a I have actually I have
a think I have an alias too. So

1722
01:48:41,550 --> 01:48:46,680
I don't have to remember all
this stuff. It wasn't freedom

1723
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:50,640
controller. me it was cart. Oh,
I know what it was SSH cart.

1724
01:48:50,970 --> 01:48:55,380
There we go. Watch this. Oh, I'm
so awesome. Okay, what's uptime?

1725
01:48:56,310 --> 01:49:01,500
I mean uptime. Dude, 479 days.

1726
01:49:02,580 --> 01:49:07,500
That's not as long as I thought
it would be. Maybe it's free,

1727
01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:11,700
but it may have been rebooted
itself. Because I have not I

1728
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:14,790
have not manually rebooted that
server in about five years. So

1729
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:18,120
it's a must have happened. Maybe
you maybe you got switched to a

1730
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:22,050
different anything could have
happened at OBEDIA vs. EC two

1731
01:49:22,050 --> 01:49:24,420
and maybe they moved you to a
new host or something? Because

1732
01:49:24,630 --> 01:49:25,680
anything it wouldn't be.

1733
01:49:26,369 --> 01:49:32,849
Let me see the last time we went
in. No, I mean, I think this has

1734
01:49:32,849 --> 01:49:35,549
been up for years. You're right.
That can't be right.

1735
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:39,810
Yeah, I've not made seriously
I'm not manually rebooted that

1736
01:49:39,810 --> 01:49:41,400
thing since like, you know,

1737
01:49:41,909 --> 01:49:44,549
why? Why would you? Yeah, it

1738
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:46,140
doesn't do any it doesn't need
it. It just keeps

1739
01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:49,770
on Dave shit works people.
That's the bottom line. That's

1740
01:49:49,770 --> 01:49:55,530
right. SAA here You did an
upgrade. Okay, I don't know when

1741
01:49:56,490 --> 01:50:02,100
some upgrade Oh, Ah, okay.
Meanwhile, thank you all very

1742
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:04,800
much for boosting the dip
recently because that was great

1743
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:05,400
for us.

1744
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:09,600
Oh, well you bleeps and bloops
going on Yeah, that's

1745
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:16,140
a Windows Bitcoin now. 19,342
That's like 16,000 a day ago or

1746
01:50:16,140 --> 01:50:17,250
something. It's crazy.

1747
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:19,920
Yeah, what was your theory on
that there's something they've

1748
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,510
found FTX money or something?

1749
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:29,610
JUST A THEORY $5 billion in FTX
assets apparently were found big

1750
01:50:29,610 --> 01:50:35,850
story on CNBC. So this is in the
financial National Enquirer and

1751
01:50:35,850 --> 01:50:40,620
it was a combination of cash and
liquid assets and then they said

1752
01:50:40,620 --> 01:50:43,290
but we're worried about and they
literally said we're we're in

1753
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:47,280
this article I think I sent it
to you we're worried about the

1754
01:50:47,340 --> 01:50:50,610
the assets because the minute we
start selling them flooding the

1755
01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:54,930
market it's going to kill that
asset. So my thinking yeah, my

1756
01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:58,260
thinking is that some kind of
token shit coin or maybe a

1757
01:50:58,260 --> 01:51:01,980
stable coin, which would be a
real if it's a stable coin, it's

1758
01:51:01,980 --> 01:51:06,090
a real problem. Because that
will affect the bond market

1759
01:51:06,090 --> 01:51:08,940
Believe it or not, so my theory
is that people had borrowed

1760
01:51:08,940 --> 01:51:14,100
Bitcoin to buy this shit coin or
stable coin whatever it is, and

1761
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:19,230
when they heard that too, like
oh crap, we better cover our

1762
01:51:19,230 --> 01:51:22,380
Bitcoin borrow because you know
when you borrow it, you have to

1763
01:51:22,380 --> 01:51:26,130
pay it back and the idea is well
bitcoins going down this token

1764
01:51:26,130 --> 01:51:29,280
is going up so I'll borrow the
Bitcoin and then a certain point

1765
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,920
I'll have you know, I'll have
Bitcoin will be going down

1766
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,800
enough where I buy the actual
Bitcoin and give back the bar

1767
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,950
Bitcoin that's a short and the
token will have gone up so now

1768
01:51:37,950 --> 01:51:40,560
the inverse is possibly
happening so people are freaking

1769
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:45,360
out going, Oh, I better right
away buy some bitcoin to cover

1770
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:47,400
the Bitcoin that I borrowed

1771
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:51,450
the day what started out as a
hedge turned into a short

1772
01:51:51,450 --> 01:51:51,990
squeeze.

1773
01:51:52,380 --> 01:51:55,560
Yeah, and actually the short
squeeze that will really happen

1774
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:00,990
if they think if this goes to
20,500 Then you'll see something

1775
01:52:00,990 --> 01:52:03,900
massive happen and it's
interesting because I think the

1776
01:52:03,900 --> 01:52:07,950
market itself today was
predominantly down maybe went up

1777
01:52:08,010 --> 01:52:09,180
while we're doing the show.

1778
01:52:09,810 --> 01:52:13,200
So yeah, that tells you this
some technical going on and it's

1779
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:17,460
not a Yeah, it's not just up you
know, up with everything else up

1780
01:52:17,460 --> 01:52:18,330
type of deal. No,

1781
01:52:18,330 --> 01:52:22,200
because I know the Dow Jones was
down two or 300 it closed at 93

1782
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,710
Up 93 Nasdaq closed up a little
bit yeah,

1783
01:52:25,770 --> 01:52:28,470
I like that theory. That sounds
that sounds right. It definitely

1784
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:29,850
feels like a technical thing.

1785
01:52:29,940 --> 01:52:33,270
Yeah, this is not just everyone
going wow, Bitcoin. Oh, I've

1786
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:36,030
seen the light. No, I don't
think I don't think that

1787
01:52:36,030 --> 01:52:40,470
happens. Oh, my God. This is
gonna save the world. No,

1788
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:41,640
probably not probably.

1789
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:48,240
All right, bro. Brazil didn't
Brazil passed some bridges

1790
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:48,780
nation for

1791
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:51,120
Brazil have a government at this
point?

1792
01:52:51,390 --> 01:52:54,630
Yeah, I have no tail. There's no
tail. Yeah, I don't

1793
01:52:54,630 --> 01:52:57,660
know. I've noticed that. I don't
I don't think that moves the

1794
01:52:57,660 --> 01:52:59,910
needle at all. I think this is
okay. Yeah, you're right.

1795
01:52:59,910 --> 01:53:04,380
Something technical. Something's
going on. And well, never a

1796
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:07,320
boring moment in the Bitcoin
game. Never a boring moment.

1797
01:53:07,950 --> 01:53:12,570
Thank you all so much for for
boosting for keeping us moving

1798
01:53:12,570 --> 01:53:15,060
ahead for greasing the wheels
for your value for value.

1799
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,360
appreciate it so much. Thank you
all for being with us here on

1800
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:21,420
the live show. And if you're
listening, post taste on the

1801
01:53:21,450 --> 01:53:24,690
podcast. Hope you enjoyed this
board meeting. We short love

1802
01:53:24,690 --> 01:53:26,160
doing it. My brother Dave, thank
you.

1803
01:53:27,090 --> 01:53:30,150
Thank you, man. See you around
next week.

1804
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:34,830
Yeah, I'm somewhere next week.
The door will be opened

1805
01:53:34,830 --> 01:53:37,140
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