1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,510 Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 23 2022, episode 114 Proto 2 00:00:06,510 --> 00:00:12,720 flexible. Oh, hello, everybody once again, it is time to unwrap 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,530 the real gift on your tree for Christmas. It's your board 4 00:00:16,530 --> 00:00:19,260 meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening in this 5 00:00:19,260 --> 00:00:24,810 past weekend podcast index.org, the namespace pod being I mean, 6 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:28,110 there's too much to mention because we are the news when it 7 00:00:28,110 --> 00:00:31,170 comes to podcasting. Of course everything happening at podcast 8 00:00:31,170 --> 00:00:34,020 index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas 9 00:00:34,020 --> 00:00:36,750 Hill Country and in Alabama, where the wind chill was at 10 00:00:36,750 --> 00:00:39,660 minus three degrees Fahrenheit. Say hello to my friend on the 11 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:42,750 other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,560 Oh is surviving the Siberian Express. 13 00:00:47,580 --> 00:00:51,330 Yeah, so it's colder now where you are I think I think that the 14 00:00:51,330 --> 00:00:55,320 storm moves a little bit away from us and towards you. Think 15 00:00:55,350 --> 00:00:55,800 let me 16 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:57,360 let me investigate man. 17 00:00:57,390 --> 00:01:00,300 Wait, man, I think no, I may have been a mid 18. Oh, I think 18 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,900 we have. Let me see what I have right now. Do I have 21 degrees? 19 00:01:03,930 --> 00:01:04,530 Let me say 20 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:06,090 no. It's balmy, 21 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:09,870 balmy 21 in downtown Fredericksburg everywhere. 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,410 Yeah, it was 10 When I woke up this morning 10 23 00:01:13,410 --> 00:01:17,160 degrees. I know it was crazy. Very very, very, very cool. And 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,410 of course our central RH back is not working properly. 25 00:01:23,130 --> 00:01:27,420 Oh, of course. I mean, this You deserve this is the Tijuana 26 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:33,570 Tempest the Texas to Texas Yeah, y'all originate all this now. I 27 00:01:33,570 --> 00:01:36,690 was needing aurka I need an ERCOT update. How's the grid, 28 00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:41,970 the grid is holding a fight last night. We had four I'll have to 29 00:01:41,970 --> 00:01:45,000 call them glitches because they were really like out and then it 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840 was I mean, the the generators didn't kick in until 30 seconds 31 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:52,320 for this very reason. Because, you know, it may come back on 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,710 within 30 seconds. So you went out, come back on and of course 33 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:59,400 my everything's going down. Memories, everything needs to be 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:05,580 reset. Especially the Umbral nodes there one is really good 35 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:07,920 and comes back and everything's great and the other one which 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,060 runs on the surface laptop is not so great. What are the power 37 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:15,030 outage even though is the surface well always but it's a 38 00:02:15,060 --> 00:02:19,650 boon to and the surface because it decided that when the power 39 00:02:19,650 --> 00:02:22,950 goes off, it's on battery to save battery it should switch 40 00:02:22,950 --> 00:02:25,260 off Wi Fi now Whoever heard of that, 41 00:02:25,590 --> 00:02:28,410 you know because because if there's anything in a computer 42 00:02:28,410 --> 00:02:33,240 that uses so tons of energy it's got to be Wi Fi I mean that 43 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,170 thing or that thing it'll make toast for you it's so much power 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:37,710 so I'm 45 00:02:37,710 --> 00:02:40,290 like what is this I finally figured that out this morning 46 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:43,320 after the note had been off like has happened again I guess to to 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,680 this morning something went off but never long enough to to 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,800 actually kick in the generator which selfishly I kind of want 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,490 to see happen 50 00:02:54,060 --> 00:02:57,300 if you don't mind you've got your it's like you get your you 51 00:02:57,300 --> 00:03:00,420 got your bunker and you need to use the you need to use 52 00:03:00,420 --> 00:03:04,680 nothing Yeah, I got a bunker and no atomic fallout in this isn't 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,690 bad can have this 54 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:11,430 debit there's real trauma in Texas from what happened last 55 00:03:11,430 --> 00:03:13,170 year I mean, but but people are scared what was 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,040 about it was two years ago two years ago two years ago well I 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,250 had trauma that's why when we moved here right away I'm like 58 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,200 okay, I'm not going through that again. And and we got we got as 59 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:28,470 I was talking to Borik about he said no this is this is how it's 60 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:30,600 supposed to work you get the generator and then your power 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,950 never fails ever again. 62 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:38,670 This big middle finger from the universe. But what I did I sent 63 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:40,110 you a picture did you get this signal? 64 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,740 Oh, is it woof? Is that the ice on the outside of your window? 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,420 That is on the inside? 66 00:03:50,130 --> 00:03:52,920 It looks like you live in a in the dungeon of a church is that 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,340 possible? 68 00:03:54,269 --> 00:03:58,319 Yeah. Our house was built in 1892 So you can imagine the 69 00:03:58,319 --> 00:03:59,909 level of insulation that's in this house 70 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:02,070 Oh my goodness. Can I put that in the show notes that's 71 00:04:02,070 --> 00:04:02,670 hilarious. 72 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:09,870 Well so that the the we have we have a propane or natural gas 73 00:04:10,980 --> 00:04:16,230 heater in in our living room area and the something about you 74 00:04:16,230 --> 00:04:19,680 know I'm no I'm no chemist here but something about the 75 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,590 combustion of natural gas produces as a byproduct to 76 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:30,570 moisture like water vapor. Sure it's humidity and so it parks 77 00:04:30,630 --> 00:04:32,970 this thing pumps out humidity which is actually kind of nice 78 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:37,440 because you know forced air gas furnaces are notoriously dry the 79 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,430 air out Yes, yes indeed even Santas prompt. So this thing is 80 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,540 it's humidifying the air as we as it warms us, but the side 81 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:49,170 effect is it condensates on the window on our single pane 82 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:51,660 windows dos Indane raises 83 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:56,250 hey could you please Could somebody please boost for Dave's 84 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:58,830 windows we need to get him double pane at least this is 85 00:04:58,830 --> 00:04:59,100 this is 86 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:02,460 bad with that So that gas or that juice in there, the argon 87 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:03,120 or whatever it is, 88 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,780 oh, goodness, well, we've got lots of people pre boosting. 89 00:05:06,780 --> 00:05:09,540 Very happy to hear those coming in. Hello, everybody. Welcome to 90 00:05:09,540 --> 00:05:13,320 the board meeting, the Board meeting where we talk about 91 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,340 everything boring board board boarded, where we bore you. 92 00:05:17,370 --> 00:05:21,390 Here's what I've been noticing end of year. And next, next 93 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:24,960 Friday, we have the final board meeting for the end of the year. 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,950 Right. And it was James joining us for that. 95 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:31,530 He is he will he will be joining us. 96 00:05:31,590 --> 00:05:37,500 Good. cuz I'll get him ready. We'll Yes, he will. And that's a 97 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:44,490 good thing. Another thing is, and that's, that's, that's the 98 00:05:44,490 --> 00:05:47,190 thing. That's a good thing. Well, the reason why I'm 99 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:51,690 interested is I have noticed at this end of year, which is very 100 00:05:51,690 --> 00:05:56,250 odd, on some top top name podcast that I happen to listen 101 00:05:56,250 --> 00:06:01,050 to. Victor Davis Hanson, which is actually Tina, listen to 102 00:06:01,050 --> 00:06:05,640 that. So I listened through by by approximation by being around 103 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,500 her Megyn Kelly, which I do listen to from time to time. And 104 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,320 pivot, my hate Listen, all three of them. 105 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,480 What a trifecta right? 106 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:19,890 Now pivot without a doubt is a very popular podcast. There's no 107 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:24,210 denying that and Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway they've been 108 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:27,540 promoting the their show and lots of people talk about it. 109 00:06:27,540 --> 00:06:29,610 Look, I listened to it, I hate listen to it, but listen to it. 110 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,420 They were taking ad breaks that were empty, all three of these 111 00:06:33,420 --> 00:06:38,190 shows. They would literally go away. We'll be right back after 112 00:06:38,190 --> 00:06:42,000 these ads. And you hear blue, blue, blue, blue, and then blue, 113 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,010 blue, blue, blue, then they come back. And then the show 114 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:48,450 continued. They are not there's no nothing to fill the inventory 115 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:54,540 on three arguably two top shows near the end of the year. What 116 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:55,590 is going on? 117 00:06:58,410 --> 00:07:05,280 On the on the mastodons. Eve EVO piped in with the thing that 118 00:07:05,310 --> 00:07:09,300 typically I typically hear this is almost always the response 119 00:07:10,020 --> 00:07:12,810 when when this is brought up that there was empty ad slots. 120 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:20,130 That that, you know, you it's probably you because the ad 121 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,800 targeting programmatic engine is targeting whoever you are, by 122 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,570 whatever means they target you. And they ran in in you have run 123 00:07:30,570 --> 00:07:35,100 out of impressions. So like, you know, they've already they've 124 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:40,590 determined by some way that they've already targeted you X 125 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:45,150 number of times and now you're not gonna get any more ads. I 126 00:07:45,150 --> 00:07:46,440 don't believe I find 127 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,080 that very hard to believe that Unpivot are read by the hosts so 128 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,650 they are inserted later. It's dynamically inserted. But But 129 00:07:55,650 --> 00:08:00,720 Kara does and these are top these are top name sponsors. I 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,620 mean, it's not automotive quite yet but it's recognizable brands 131 00:08:04,620 --> 00:08:08,220 and they both read them. And they're I don't I find that very 132 00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:11,640 hard to believe in. I found it very hard to believe too, until 133 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:18,600 I read the variety interview with Spotify exec Dawn Ostroff 134 00:08:19,590 --> 00:08:23,880 have heard this name. And she is she comes from Hollywood. What 135 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:29,790 is she? What is her? What is her title again? Spotify is Chief 136 00:08:29,790 --> 00:08:32,730 Content and advertising business officer. 137 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,670 Can I be that can it be that you are you are 138 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:40,830 right now the the completely in charge of our content and 139 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:44,100 business advertising. Congratulations. You can put 140 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:44,550 that on your 141 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:48,240 card. Dan Benjamin texted me this morning and said hey, your 142 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,070 mark your art like logo stuff in this GitHub. This sucks. You 143 00:08:53,070 --> 00:08:56,550 know what? I was like? He's like, you don't have transparent 144 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:59,700 black backgrounds on your there's no press kit. I was like 145 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:06,150 Dan press kid. You've discovered that the widely known secret 146 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:08,760 that we're terrible at marketing or any of this. This is not 147 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:09,780 news. But up 148 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:13,170 stepping up. Dan Craig, get a press kit together for us, 149 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:19,440 please. Yeah, yeah. So until I got to this part. In the in this 150 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,450 interview, this is where it all came together. For me. Still, 151 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,110 Spotify so far hasn't seen a financial payback on the podcast 152 00:09:28,110 --> 00:09:32,850 play. Oh, in 2021. The company's podcast business generated 153 00:09:32,850 --> 00:09:38,520 nearly 200 million euros in revenue up 300% year over year. 154 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:43,560 But unfortunately, the CFO Paul Vogel said the at the investor 155 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:46,290 day presentation in June that the podcast segment had a 156 00:09:46,290 --> 00:09:54,450 negative gross margin of 57 to minus 57%. losses. Losses weight 157 00:09:54,450 --> 00:09:59,970 loss is projected to be even higher in 2022. Now Spotify 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,050 believes that Podcasts can achieve potential gross margins 159 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:10,320 of 40 to 50% within the next five years, which is 15% higher 160 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,070 than their gross market margin target for for music, and here 161 00:10:14,070 --> 00:10:18,480 it is. Ostroff without commenting on specific podcast 162 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,270 financials, which they just don't do. It's so embarrassing, 163 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:25,110 apparently. Obviously, quote, obviously podcasting for us is 164 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:29,460 still a new business. It's still an investment business. What is 165 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:33,240 a billion dollar business? How can it still be an investment 166 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,800 business unless someone's full of shit? Let's continue and 167 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,430 looking to bulk up its ad revenue. Spotify continues to 168 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:44,220 pitch Madison Avenue on the unique attributes of its 169 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:48,780 listening platform, including its streaming ad insertion si as 170 00:10:48,780 --> 00:10:52,920 AI technology. When Spotify first entered podcasting, 171 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,400 marketers had not embraced it as a general advertising medium. Is 172 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,120 that true? I thought we already had at least half a billion. The 173 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,240 company released Ostroff said the company recently 174 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,440 commissioned a study from neuro marketing firm neuro insight for 175 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,530 what Spotify said is the largest audio study of its kind, 176 00:11:10,740 --> 00:11:11,700 according to their new 177 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:15,870 insights sounds like a CA. VC 178 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:22,260 MK ultra thin. In Q tel sponsored neuro insight study 179 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:25,980 which tracks you which track the brain activity of users to 180 00:11:25,980 --> 00:11:30,420 measure engagement it's so bad at Spotify with advertising they 181 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:34,290 have to resort to some bullshit company which tracks brain 182 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:37,020 activity. No, no no no. 183 00:11:37,410 --> 00:11:38,670 It's how brain waves 184 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:43,200 how many people heard the ad that's how advertising works. 185 00:11:43,770 --> 00:11:47,430 We know we have to we know we can't downloads are not in a 186 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:51,210 good metric. No, we need brain waves alpha waves in the brain. 187 00:11:51,390 --> 00:11:55,260 Like that's that's the next thing you plug into USB C to 188 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:56,130 your dad's 189 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,700 John's. German to Hillman. Oh, John Spurlock get ready. We're 190 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:03,600 expanding. Oh, p3 with brainwave activity. Get on Yeah, 191 00:12:03,660 --> 00:12:05,730 you're not going to be driving it'd be self driving cars, you 192 00:12:05,730 --> 00:12:08,610 just stick the Hillman on and you get targeted ads. 193 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,650 Meanwhile, Ostroff sees a quote huge opportunity to increase 194 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:17,280 engagement with podcast through through what could the solution 195 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,400 be it's always the same it's always the same I went through 196 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,550 the same thing when when podcast when advertising was not working 197 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:26,880 at pod show because it doesn't work. What What was the 198 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:33,870 solution? Video versions of the shows video yes, yes. Alex 199 00:12:33,870 --> 00:12:39,300 Cooper, of course have called her daddy wants to do more video 200 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:43,170 Barstool Sports more videos guests, including Hailey Bieber 201 00:12:43,170 --> 00:12:45,570 and Julia Fox recording Oh, Stauffer shows with video have 202 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,840 delivered twice the audience compared to those that are audio 203 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:55,680 only. I'm sorry. This article tells me that that advertising 204 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:01,380 in podcasting is no market. And I learned and I'd like anyone to 205 00:13:01,380 --> 00:13:05,490 step forward and give me some real numbers. What give me some 206 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:09,900 real numbers, not the Spotify saying sorry. Yeah, we did 200 207 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:14,400 million euro. But you know, unfortunately, we lost. We lost 208 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:20,460 350 basically. So where is it? Where's this billion dollars? 209 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:23,100 I'm just I'm just gonna keep hammering on this until someone 210 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:26,310 comes clean. And that's why I can't wait for James next week. 211 00:13:27,390 --> 00:13:32,820 That dance answer for your industry. This is The Billion 212 00:13:32,820 --> 00:13:36,180 Dollar like if you look at the Magellan thing that comes out 213 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:40,980 every month which month which I do so that you don't have to 214 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:47,250 look at this crap in it every I never can add up more than about 215 00:13:47,250 --> 00:13:52,350 25 million in ad spend ad spending Exactly. Across the top 216 00:13:52,350 --> 00:13:55,590 and once you get below that top level, I mean it drops off like 217 00:13:55,590 --> 00:14:00,180 a rock so the number 25 advertisers probably I mean that 218 00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:02,100 you're that's low numbers. 219 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:06,780 So meanwhile, podcast bowel movement announced their first 220 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:10,950 round of speakers for podcast bowel movement, evolution this 221 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:13,530 podcast belma did I say that? I'm sorry, that must have been 222 00:14:13,530 --> 00:14:14,370 something subliminal. 223 00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:19,320 The hero is neuro and intelligence or whatever the way 224 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:19,890 All right, what was it 225 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,670 we have to find a logical in Euro insights? Let me just see. 226 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:30,930 Is it your neurological and now I have to find it when I was 227 00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:35,340 in sippy Incipio insipid dose of neuro 228 00:14:35,340 --> 00:14:38,760 insight. Yes. Neuro Insight's. Yes, that's a potential title. 229 00:14:39,510 --> 00:14:46,230 Neuro has because we, because we all know how trustworthy fMRI 230 00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:51,030 is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 231 00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:56,160 So meanwhile, at the Podcast Movement, evolution speakers 232 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,920 have been announced. Let's see. Amy Wilson. And Margaret April's 233 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,310 is that her full name Amy Wilson Margaret April's of adolescent 234 00:15:05,310 --> 00:15:09,420 media presents sell ads. Okay, so there's an ad person letter 235 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:16,560 named Angie Griffith. Let's see. Make a podcast that sells Okay. 236 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:20,640 Cameron Hendrix and John go forth a Magellan AI present 237 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:26,520 podcast advertising. Danielle does designare Corbett how to 238 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,880 stand out to potential sponsors and secure more lucrative brand 239 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,920 deals Dierdre chin of capture the three tactics high income 240 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,070 podcasters attribute to their shows how you can use them to 241 00:15:38,130 --> 00:15:44,280 how you can make more money with ads. I mean, seriously, when 242 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:48,660 when we just give it up people, it's all ads. And I just I'm 243 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:49,470 just not seeing it 244 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,800 is exactly what you said. It's all pretty people selling 245 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,880 things. And then there's like this underbelly of just regular 246 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,450 old podcast hosting companies, meeting people and selling 247 00:16:00,810 --> 00:16:01,920 podcast subscriptions. 248 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:04,950 And and so what was interesting I don't know if I don't know if 249 00:16:04,950 --> 00:16:09,480 you saw this but we were or value for value was mentioned in 250 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,550 a Bitcoin magazine article. 251 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,060 I have a copy of Yes, right here. 252 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,550 Oh, you have the actual Bitcoin magazine? 253 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:21,360 No, no, I have a printed out Copy, print things. 254 00:16:21,420 --> 00:16:26,550 And this was lightning. paywalls versus value for value asks, 255 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,110 where lightning powered micro 10 transaction paywall beats a 256 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:37,020 value for value Bitcoin asked a nuanced breakdown. Now nowhere 257 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:39,930 in the article did I see where lightning powered micro 258 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:43,560 transaction paywall actually beat value for value because I 259 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,960 don't think it exists. 260 00:16:46,829 --> 00:16:49,409 Looking for the print where was the exhibit a I didn't see that 261 00:16:49,409 --> 00:16:50,099 anywhere in here. 262 00:16:50,250 --> 00:16:57,900 But but the the author who is will shul cop show cop makes a 263 00:16:57,900 --> 00:17:03,840 good point. Let me see what is he doesn't say what he does. 264 00:17:03,870 --> 00:17:07,380 It's a guest post anyway. So we'll he says, hey, you know 265 00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:11,820 what, the thing that that doesn't work for everybody with 266 00:17:11,820 --> 00:17:14,880 value for value is the ask, acknowledge, repeat, which is 267 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,000 exactly what you need. You need an ask now. He's, uh, he said, 268 00:17:18,030 --> 00:17:21,750 I'm an author, I want people to pay for each page. And I'm 269 00:17:21,750 --> 00:17:26,610 thinking, you know, if he says, there's no you can ask for, you 270 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:29,550 can ask for a donation if someone's reading page by page, 271 00:17:29,670 --> 00:17:32,460 but how you can't acknowledge them. This is static content, 272 00:17:32,490 --> 00:17:36,540 etc, etc, etc. And I just wanted to point out, the fallacy of 273 00:17:36,540 --> 00:17:41,880 this article, is the author thinking that the apps you use 274 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,680 today for reading a book are appropriate for value for value, 275 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:51,360 they're not an excellent example of value for value was an 276 00:17:51,390 --> 00:17:54,720 acknowledgement that does not require a new episode, or a new 277 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,130 book or a new magazine to be created, is a leaderboard, or 278 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,220 what's very effective is crowdfunding. What is great 279 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:05,610 about crowdfunding, you get to put a comment in Hey, everybody, 280 00:18:05,610 --> 00:18:09,420 I love you. Here's my $100. That is the same. And then people can 281 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:12,870 comment, hey, that's a great donation, leaderboards, 282 00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:18,360 comments, Tally coin, enables that these are all things that 283 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:22,290 can work in the Ask acknowledged repeat model. And all I know is 284 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,680 I just looked at our value for value. And maybe it's because 285 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:32,580 it's year end, but I see 555,555 sets from Dred Scott. Twice. I 286 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:38,640 say another 333,333 from Dred Scott all in the last hour. I 287 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:44,460 see one and a half million SATs from Arrow statica. I see 288 00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:50,040 777,000. I mean, it's it's insane. The amount of SATs we're 289 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,390 getting for an ask and recognize and a repeat and acknowledgement 290 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:58,680 and repeat. So I don't know. I don't know what everyone's 291 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,220 doing. And I appreciate that the that people are at least 292 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:07,200 thinking about value for value. But man, they really are light 293 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:09,990 on going unreal. I mean, I think there's so many preconceived 294 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:13,440 notions, then people just haven't really tried it 295 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,160 properly. 296 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,380 As it I just have a fundamental disagreement that there's a 297 00:19:19,410 --> 00:19:23,610 there's a difference between what what we conceive of a 298 00:19:23,610 --> 00:19:29,640 paywall, and like, and maybe there's maybe that's not the 299 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:32,940 right way to describe it. What I'm trying to get at is, I have 300 00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:38,610 a recent experience with with a subscription. I don't love I've 301 00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:47,880 subscribed to the Peter Atea podcast and the reason so this 302 00:19:48,030 --> 00:19:54,630 he he does it very well and it's, it's basically it's is 303 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,110 most of the way there to vie for V with but it's missing one is 304 00:19:58,110 --> 00:20:01,830 missing two critical pieces, but it's It's most it's most of the 305 00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:04,320 way there it's V four v inspired. 306 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,160 V four v adjacent. is V 307 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,980 four v adjacent. Yes. So, that didn't mean all of his main 308 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:21,090 episodes are free. With, with some, not ads, it's just more 309 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:26,550 like a bunch of asking for for you to subscribe so all that 310 00:20:26,550 --> 00:20:28,740 stuff's gone in the end. But then there's these other 311 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:33,990 episodes that you get in the feed, where it's like, it's like 312 00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:36,600 an Ask me anything, it's like an AMA, it's like a, I think it's 313 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,230 like a every two weeks or something like that. The AMA is 314 00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:43,560 you don't get unless you subscribe. And but they but they 315 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,530 still drop the A, they dropped the first like five minutes of 316 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:49,980 the AMA just give you a little preview into the feed. And so 317 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,780 you're getting you get a full understanding, you know, by the 318 00:20:54,780 --> 00:20:57,600 time that you hit the subscribe button, you know what you're 319 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,910 going to get once you get behind the paywall. I don't. So what 320 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:06,240 I'm trying to say is it's it's, it's V for V adjacent, because 321 00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:10,620 you're getting the content, you're getting a full experience 322 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:16,590 of what that content is going to be. It's just not, although it 323 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:20,370 hasn't gone the extra step to say, here is all of it and you 324 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:22,650 can give me whatever you want. Because he's still he's limiting 325 00:21:22,650 --> 00:21:27,840 himself to like 19 bucks a month or whatever. But the spirit of 326 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,640 what is is there is the only way this works. The end, that's 327 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,820 what's missing, I think in a lot of the these sort of constructs 328 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:39,270 is like okay, V for V versus pay wall. It's like the idea that 329 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:42,300 you when you say that the idea that you conjure up in your head 330 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:46,380 is okay, here's the here's the for V on one side where all the 331 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:48,600 content is free, there's no restrictions, there's no ads, 332 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,580 and then you just give me a donation. And then at verses, 333 00:21:54,270 --> 00:21:57,570 you can't even read it or see it or hear it or anything until 334 00:21:57,570 --> 00:22:00,870 after the fact you've already paid for it. And I don't think 335 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,920 like that. And I think that's a sort of a false, like a phony 336 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:10,980 mental model, because, well, I think what we're seeing is the 337 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:16,500 subscription model paywall model is moving more towards V for V 338 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:21,060 than PE, maybe people realize because that hard limit of you 339 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:25,290 can't even you cannot even sniff my content until you pay me up 340 00:22:25,290 --> 00:22:30,420 front. That that's a tough one. That's a hard sell. 341 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,740 Well, he's the author. He's and by the way, I want to make sure 342 00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:37,500 that he said very clearly my aim is not to attack anyone 343 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:41,340 personally, I'm using quotes, but my intent is to respectfully 344 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,130 challenge ideas. So we're not attacking him either. But what 345 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:48,360 he says is as a content creator, in my case, a writer, this 346 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,410 problem with the internet hits home. And he's talking about GGS 347 00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:55,200 article, the freedom of value where he says, the problem with 348 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,230 the internet is that information wants to be free. And this is of 349 00:22:58,230 --> 00:23:01,740 course, completely true. If you write something dynamite, it 350 00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:07,050 will be copied and stolen. I don't steal content, I pay for 351 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:10,440 content as much as I can. But if I go to Bloomberg, and I'll see 352 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,860 your story, and it's and Bloomberg is super paywalled. 353 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:18,030 For me, I will search with the title of that story and I will 354 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,300 find an outfit that is apparently licensed the 355 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,120 Bloomberg article so I can read it there and I'll read it for 356 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,110 whatever basically from nothing but I'm not stealing it. Right 357 00:23:28,140 --> 00:23:31,110 but information wants to be free. If it's really good. It'll 358 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:35,520 get copied and passed around see torrents see you know, whatever 359 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,030 you look at search for movies on podcasts index, if we haven't 360 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:42,270 started, we haven't cleaned it up today you can find so as a 361 00:23:42,270 --> 00:23:45,330 content creator, He says in my case, a writer the problem with 362 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:48,630 the internet hits home, it's a lot of work to write good 363 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:53,340 content subjective, subjective, and I don't work for free. I 364 00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:58,140 look to be compensated for my proof of work. As the Joker says 365 00:23:58,140 --> 00:24:00,660 if you're good at something, never do it for free. 366 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:04,380 So whoever said any whoever said V for V was worrying we don't 367 00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:05,100 work for free 368 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,410 give it this is so Exactly. He feels that if he is not charging 369 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:17,040 something for it, it is free. And what we say is no. Ask 370 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,580 people what it's really worth to them. People who find it 371 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:25,260 worthless are not going to pay anyway. They're not they're not 372 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:28,500 going to pay for it. The people who freeload, they're 373 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,800 freeloaders and all you can do is keep asking and shaming them 374 00:24:31,980 --> 00:24:36,420 which is interestingly in our business, it will add value for 375 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:40,740 value where I started with with no agenda. The people who were 376 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:44,310 paying for it or found value in it and return value started 377 00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:49,110 calling out the people themselves. I did not make up 378 00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:52,650 the douchebag thing. This is this is something that that 379 00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:55,680 people themselves made up about other people who they felt were 380 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,120 not pulling their weight on on the Wii for Wii donations. So As 381 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,170 many ways that that happened, but the 4% that do donate of 382 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:08,490 every single project, I would have to say, you probably 383 00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:15,000 wouldn't get 4% Buying your great content, either of all the 384 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,690 people who come across it, it may even be less may even be 1%. 385 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:25,890 And then that 1% is funneled into one price, I believe that 386 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:28,500 you will always make less doing it that way. 387 00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:34,350 That that's that's the way that. So that's the erroneous belief 388 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:40,980 that if you put a price on something, it keeps people, it 389 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:47,070 keeps people from getting it for free. Or if you put, if you put 390 00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:51,990 a price on it, it keeps it makes it to where everybody has to 391 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:55,950 pay. But all you're doing is you're just low, you're your 392 00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:59,010 art, you're artificially limiting, who can see your 393 00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,760 content to people who would have never paid you anyway. Because 394 00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:07,050 like, if somebody passes by, if, if you put it in physical goods 395 00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:10,800 terms, if you set up a booth, and you have you have t shirts, 396 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:15,270 and you mark them at $15 a shirt, you're gonna have a 397 00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:18,180 certain percentage of people that buy it, if you put it put, 398 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:21,090 if you move it up to 25, you're gonna have a smaller percentage, 399 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:25,020 or some other different percentage that buys it as the 400 00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:34,650 price if the price does not get you. Like, it's it's a, it's no, 401 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,550 it's not a different mechanism. If I listen to your stuff, and 402 00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:43,110 and then pay you after the fact, pay for it before the fact you 403 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:47,130 didn't get a bigger or larger audience because of that. You 404 00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:50,520 just got a different amount of money because of that, right? 405 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:53,520 whatever that happens to be. That's, that's in the realm of 406 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,930 psychology of market psychology, I don't know, and neither 407 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,980 neither do they. If you put I mean, if if, if I put five bucks 408 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:05,490 on it, you may just say, Well, I've just dropped my 409 00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:12,240 listenership by 78%. But you still haven't increased the 410 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,120 amount of people who would have paid you anyway? Correct. You're 411 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,190 not really not improving anything is what I'm trying to 412 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:17,790 say. Correct. 413 00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:21,360 And when I reading through this article, they talk about the 414 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:29,520 empty X problem, which is the mental transaction paradox. The 415 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,780 most? Well, it's like, do so as like, Okay, I'm being asked to 416 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:36,780 pay for this. How much is it? Is it worth it for me? Do I want to 417 00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:41,760 pay for this? The friction, it's friction. Exactly. And the 418 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,370 article says, Well, this, you have this friction either way. 419 00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:46,560 It's just you're you're you're paying it at a different point. 420 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,000 And I say no, I say no, it's not. It's just it's entirely 421 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,350 different. You're saying what? Hey, was that did you like it? 422 00:27:55,830 --> 00:28:00,570 Yeah. Okay, what was it worth to you? Do you want more? It's that 423 00:28:00,570 --> 00:28:01,230 simple. 424 00:28:01,650 --> 00:28:04,920 As we move the boot up, the boost button is right there in 425 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,640 the app? 426 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,670 Well, of course, you could have and you know, what we're about, 427 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:15,210 we're about to get a real world challenge, as I believe now, 428 00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:21,600 I've seen it happen on GitHub. It looks like Al Albie is 429 00:28:21,630 --> 00:28:24,720 setting up LSAT, which is something that you and I looked 430 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:31,830 at three years ago to do just this. And to add a second 431 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:38,400 payment option for well, it will be for podcasts, I believe, and 432 00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:44,760 Brees is implementing this. And I think it'd be very interesting 433 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,270 to see 434 00:28:45,929 --> 00:28:48,629 if this is going to be for like recurring subscriptions or 435 00:28:48,629 --> 00:28:49,019 something. 436 00:28:49,620 --> 00:28:53,790 Do you want to listen to his podcast? You have to pay? Yeah, 437 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,930 pay pay? Listen. 438 00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:58,230 Yeah, well, that's gonna be in. If that's going to be an A B 439 00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:04,020 test. We'll see. We'll see. We will see whether or not podcasts 440 00:29:04,020 --> 00:29:08,460 that put themselves behind a pay for play versus play for pay. 441 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:12,360 We'll see what the results are. And I don't think though, I 442 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,500 think I think for big shows, if you if you get to a certain if 443 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,600 you get to a certain level, and I'm not going to I'm not going 444 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,840 to name what criteria that would be like like whether it's 445 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,880 audience size or audience, you know, commitment or, or niche 446 00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:30,960 level or something like that. There's some level that you get 447 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,050 to where you could be considered a maybe a quote unquote, big 448 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:41,220 podcast. You have a lot of momentum there. At that level. I 449 00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:45,030 don't know that there's going to be a whole lot of difference 450 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:48,720 between the number of people willing to pay, but there will 451 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,410 be in my I predict there will be a lot of difference in how much 452 00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:57,450 money the Creator makes. The V for V will result in much more, 453 00:29:57,690 --> 00:30:02,640 the high end Ceiling is much higher. Because you're not let 454 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,930 you're on artificially limiting. I could not pay Peter Atea more 455 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:08,880 money he just said $19. Right. 456 00:30:09,210 --> 00:30:14,640 Exactly. That's it go away with your money. Yeah. Well, we'll 457 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,050 see. Well, it all remains to be seen. But when I see dystopia, 458 00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:22,650 for instance, you know, I wanted to send some musician somewhere 459 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,870 where they could get set up value for value. I couldn't I 460 00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:28,080 couldn't with a with a with a clear conscience and then to 461 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,890 dystopia, because when you hit dystopia, they're all about web 462 00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:36,450 monetization and what is their other? What is the other thing? 463 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,850 I thought they had an ABI integration, 464 00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:46,500 but they may want this but when you go to their website here we 465 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,920 go. Music podcasts, video, audio books, merch designed for 466 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,030 dreamers powered by your audience. Get started today. 467 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:58,530 Okay, so you go in one platform, and then it shows you all the 468 00:30:58,530 --> 00:31:01,530 things you get the bandwidth, and it doesn't really tell me 469 00:31:01,530 --> 00:31:06,120 how I'm going to make money. Let's see. So it already it's 470 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,810 like, I don't really understand it. For creatives, here we go. 471 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:18,150 podcasters. No, I want music. Sorry. podcasters. We know. So 472 00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:23,580 already, I'm kind of lost here. music artists, here we go. 473 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:29,070 Perfect for artists, musicians. Pay per play right there. We 474 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:32,550 will pay two pennies for every true play. No need to calculate 475 00:31:32,550 --> 00:31:35,970 how many streams or album plays we pay when it's played? Period? 476 00:31:36,090 --> 00:31:37,410 No, I'm done. 477 00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:42,720 Yeah, that. Okay, so that was an episode about this, because I 478 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,130 discussed it with these guys as they were building it. That that 479 00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:51,630 was their original model that was meant to be sort of like the 480 00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:56,970 Spotify, you know, David versus Goliath model. And their idea 481 00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:59,310 was, you know, we're actually going to we're actually going to 482 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:04,470 pay you real meaningful money not not pennies out, you know, 483 00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:07,830 out the pipe six months from now. And so that was the 484 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:11,220 original model they've been layered on to my knowledge, I'm 485 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,720 almost 100% Sure this is correct. They've layered on some 486 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,930 Alby integration. Now, for V V for V. That's the best recent 487 00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:26,280 that's been within the last couple of months. So I think 488 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,940 what I think what you're seeing may just be, I don't think 489 00:32:29,940 --> 00:32:31,590 you're seeing the full scope of what 490 00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:35,910 oh, it's completely possible. But until it's there, I can't I 491 00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:38,520 can't send an artist over here and say, Oh, value for value 492 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,430 over here. There's, there's no, there's no writing about it. So 493 00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:43,710 that's just when they're ready for it. They'll 494 00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:45,120 be brisket impressed. 495 00:32:45,149 --> 00:32:47,969 They need a press kit and some transparent logos. I mean, come 496 00:32:47,969 --> 00:32:54,449 on, together over there. I did. Someone did reach out to me that 497 00:32:54,449 --> 00:32:59,939 I spoke to a long time ago. And it was the Oh goodness, what was 498 00:32:59,939 --> 00:33:06,269 it called, I think was the Dutch outfit. And I met him at I met 499 00:33:06,269 --> 00:33:13,949 this guy at I want to say South by Southwest, maybe 10 or 11 500 00:33:13,949 --> 00:33:19,469 years ago. And how does it get his PhD? It's called What was 501 00:33:19,469 --> 00:33:23,189 this thing called? It's some Free Music Archive. That's it. 502 00:33:23,999 --> 00:33:27,209 The Free Music Archive and in that brings a band in the 10 503 00:33:27,209 --> 00:33:33,089 years since since we met this thing has really grown up this 504 00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:38,489 this Free Music Archive. And I was connected to him by Dave 505 00:33:38,489 --> 00:33:40,259 from automatic. 506 00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:43,110 Oh, okay, 507 00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:47,250 who you know, we're still on their radar. Apparently. 508 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,390 Music archive.org is the name of this. 509 00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:57,120 Yeah. And so they have Creative Commons licenses. And I haven't 510 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,810 looked at it too much what they're doing these days, but it 511 00:34:00,810 --> 00:34:04,140 makes total sense. This could be this could be a great match. 512 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,890 This is a great this this was pretty cool. 513 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,840 I should put it in the show notes actually. Free Muse will 514 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:13,800 archive 515 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:17,220 that leads that leads to a discussion I know we want to 516 00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:24,990 have which is about the 100% Retro chat stream. Yes. This was 517 00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:31,410 a this was a fun. This is a fun project. And it was I mean it's 518 00:34:31,410 --> 00:34:35,310 a little cheese, you know, just kind of but it was nice to take 519 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:36,660 a break from sort of 520 00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:38,820 from pod ping the lower end work 521 00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:46,470 and do something easy PHP and just all you know simple but you 522 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:50,280 know so what we have it's it's opened it up it's not a 523 00:34:50,430 --> 00:34:53,160 beautiful script or anything but it's just you know, it's it's a 524 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,550 want 525 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:59,040 let's explain what this is. So we had so okay, there's a guy I 526 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,910 know in Neville in Belgium actually, I got in touch with 527 00:35:02,910 --> 00:35:06,240 him a year ago. So a mutual friend I know this guy because 528 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,960 he's actually a booker of artists across the Benelux. So 529 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,660 he's, he's my age, you know and he's been around for a long time 530 00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:17,730 he's booked all the basically anything that is a 6070s or 80s 531 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:22,290 or even 90s band he will book at festivals and do stuff and DJs 532 00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:25,080 and whatever so that yeah, he's a he's a promoter, basically a 533 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,280 concert promoter Booker for clubs and big venues. And he's 534 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:33,360 been a looks Benelux? Yes. Well in Belgium, Netherlands 535 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,410 Luxembourg, Ben. 536 00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:36,450 Okay, like that Texarkana. 537 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,900 But yes, yeah, the tri state area trashy? Yeah, it's like New 538 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:45,810 York, New Jersey, Connecticut. Idea, only much smaller. You 539 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:49,530 know, like half half the amount of people. So he was putting 540 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:54,780 together a radio station online. And at first it was called, was 541 00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:58,470 it called something? It was like, tomorrow land or something 542 00:35:58,470 --> 00:36:00,570 like it? Well, that's great. No, that's dumb. 543 00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:03,540 And Disney World, and 544 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:06,630 I can't remember how it came up. And I don't make any money with 545 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:10,860 this guy. I'm not a paid advisor. I like him. I think 546 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,140 it's interesting project. And I don't want any work. I want to 547 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:16,560 not have to talk to him if I don't feel like it is the 548 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,250 easiest way and not working for you. But if I can find something 549 00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:24,540 that will work for both of us, I'll set it up. So he's 550 00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:28,290 streaming this thing. He's got a full on schedule. He's got 551 00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:32,400 people doing it. I don't think they're live. One or two may 552 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,970 actually be live like some some of the morning shows. But a lot 553 00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:38,580 of it is tracked. And it's you know, it rolls out automatically 554 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:41,670 like most of the radio stations you listen to, but it does have 555 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:44,910 a very specific music mix. And he has talent all across the 556 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:47,670 world to hit different time zones. And he has a whole 557 00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:52,230 concept of how that works and listening to it. At my age. I 558 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:54,420 enjoy it. And we were listening to what we were talking about 559 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,150 Mott the Hoople, all the young dudes before we started the 560 00:36:57,150 --> 00:37:00,180 show. So stuff like that, then, and somehow we came up with the 561 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:04,890 name 100%. Retro. And I say, well, let's put they they pay 562 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:09,330 their ASCAP, BMI, BMI stem, right, all of that stuff, they 563 00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:14,040 pay for it. So it's all legit. And I said, Well, why don't we 564 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,540 put this stuff into, into value for value with with the lit tag, 565 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,480 and this was just when lit was starting to come together. And 566 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,930 so I set it up. And then, you know, when I showed him how I 567 00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:29,490 was listening, and he saw in his Albea wallet, SATs come in, and 568 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:33,660 I was like, What is this? I said, Yeah. And he said, Wait a 569 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:37,080 minute, so I can show this to my investors and say, you know, we 570 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,170 have money coming in already. So yeah, absolutely. Not a lot but 571 00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:45,420 and so he loved it. And then you and I start brainstorming and 572 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:49,530 then you come up with a with a generator that creates the feed 573 00:37:49,530 --> 00:37:52,050 for them because I basically started created the first feed 574 00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:59,280 did it and sovereign feeds that takes their their electronic 575 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,390 programming grid there guide as to who's on at what time, and 576 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:08,160 you create a new feed with a new lit tag whenever a new show 577 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,740 starts. And you're linking out to the art of the of the air 578 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:17,670 talent and little blurb and it works. And so I get a 579 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:22,380 notification, you know, maybe seven or eight a day, depending. 580 00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:25,260 I'm waiting for the weekend because there's there's actually 581 00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:27,600 one show that I really want to hear but I don't know when it 582 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,110 starts it's been leibrandt He's a friend of mine. He does 583 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:34,260 massive DJ mixes really really good stuff. 584 00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:37,830 Oh, that guy? Yes. I saw his name in the list. Yeah, 585 00:38:37,830 --> 00:38:40,560 so I'm excited for his trip. I think it's Saturdays so he'll 586 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,490 pop up and then I'll listen to it. And as we're looking at this 587 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:48,690 like Okay, now we really got something now and what he wants 588 00:38:48,690 --> 00:38:52,560 to do you know, and we'll talk after after the holidays, is he 589 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,250 wants his his air talent to be soliciting booster grams. He 590 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,520 wants some reading booster grams. He wants the chat room, 591 00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:03,510 all the stuff that we've talked about. And you basically took a 592 00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:05,250 couple days and set most of it up. 593 00:39:06,330 --> 00:39:10,830 Yeah, yeah, that's like that's, that's exactly right. So this, 594 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:14,370 what I wanted, this is called it the mega cron, because this is 595 00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:18,570 like the, you know, cron job on steroids. Some things I learned 596 00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:24,390 here. If they do a form of one of these midnight format, format 597 00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:28,890 changes I'm going to I'm going to go and beat somebody with a 598 00:39:28,890 --> 00:39:35,760 hammer. This this so the what what I wanted for this. Oh, also 599 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,700 Yeah, I agree with you. It's some of these I don't think some 600 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:40,410 of these DJs are actually they're 601 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:45,030 just like, well, like Kim Wilde. She just does. She tracks it in 602 00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:47,850 the studio. Someone else puts it all together for I don't think 603 00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,100 she's sitting there DJing live for sure. 604 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:52,770 Because it'll come on and be like, you know, they'll play of 605 00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:56,250 track and they'll be like, big Steve Kelly on 100% retro and 606 00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:58,710 then we'll play another track and and then we'll do that for 607 00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:00,900 an hour and I never actually hear back Steve Kelly saying 608 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,970 anything? Oh, really? Okay, yeah, well, 609 00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:05,760 maybe Steve Kelly wasn't there for this particular show that 610 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,470 does happen, or he didn't get his check. 611 00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:11,340 I mean, maybe he's using the bathroom, I think 612 00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:15,270 we really want. And they're not, they're not sending that 613 00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:18,570 metadata where their feed yet, but I think that's what you want 614 00:40:18,570 --> 00:40:21,660 you want to do it from that we get the metadata, the metadata 615 00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:25,350 changes, you want to be able to say, Okay, this, this metadata 616 00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:29,400 is this portion changes, I need to create a new feed and a new 617 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,780 tag with this. So that they, so they exhorts not on a schedule 618 00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:37,620 that could change and would mean that we'd have to change. What 619 00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:41,640 the script is doing is it's take it we, it's got a big scare, 620 00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:44,670 it's got a big schedule, which is essentially a an associative 621 00:40:44,670 --> 00:40:48,990 array. In the the array, the top level index of the array is the 622 00:40:48,990 --> 00:40:54,660 day. So it's numbered, like day of week, like 1234567, in cron, 623 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:59,430 job numbering. And then the second level index of the array 624 00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:04,200 is the hour that the show starts. And then the in then 625 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:11,040 within that index, there is a set of properties for that 626 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,340 script, then title, the show the description, who the DJ is their 627 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,760 bio, their image, blah, blah, blah, how and how long and the 628 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,710 duration, how long it lasts. This is pretty, pretty 629 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:27,150 straightforward. The longest amount of time was just taking 630 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:32,820 in building that huge schedule array instead, but in the reason 631 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:37,950 I did it that way. Like, because I think it's instructive because 632 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:42,690 this was meant to to open like, say this open, there's a repo in 633 00:41:42,690 --> 00:41:47,520 the GitHub now, I think it's just called 100. Retro. What I 634 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,050 want is something very simple and easy to read for pretty much 635 00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:58,050 any programmer to say, okay, here is how I can take, as long 636 00:41:58,050 --> 00:42:02,520 as I have something that looks like this, like a schedule that 637 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,290 they will recognize the format of, then I can plug that into a 638 00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:13,200 script that looks like this. And output, this feed that is going 639 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,640 to be podcasting 640 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,940 2.0 compatible, right, something that can be replicated somewhere 641 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:18,360 else. 642 00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:21,000 Yes, it's going to have a lit it's going to have all the live 643 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,260 item tags. It it takes the current at that you run into the 644 00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:28,860 top of every hour, it looks and sees, okay, what is the 645 00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:32,700 currently playing show, and throws in a live item for that 646 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,850 with lifestyle with status equals alive. And then it just 647 00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:39,600 runs through the next five shows in the in the schedule index and 648 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,260 adds those as pending, with start and end times. That's, 649 00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:46,470 that's all it does. It just runs once in once an hour. And if 650 00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:49,740 there if there is no show that hour, then it just doesn't do 651 00:42:49,740 --> 00:42:54,090 anything. So then it builds the coffee. It builds the feed, 652 00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:59,130 pushes it up to object storage, our feeds dot podcast, index.org 653 00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:04,020 bucket, and then sends out of pod ping. Beautiful. So that 654 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,540 it's got oh gosh, a bunch of a bunch of 2.0 tags us a medium 655 00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:20,700 live item. Location, person. Gu ID. It's got a march I listed 656 00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:26,280 them all out. So this you could take in you could say because of 657 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,550 the Locate like the location tag goes in there, and you in the 658 00:43:29,550 --> 00:43:34,680 location for since it's a global radio station location tag, 659 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:37,740 there's one lady in South Africa, I think there's someone 660 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,550 there's other whole city. Yeah. 661 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,840 And then you there's a guy in Australia like you could, you 662 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,770 could slice and dice this all kinds of ways. If you're a 663 00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:55,350 podcast app, you can you could say, okay, if I'm, if I'm a 664 00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:58,020 podcast app that wants to have like, really good, robust 665 00:43:58,020 --> 00:44:02,040 support for radio streams, then I could say, 666 00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:05,310 that's why I haven't seen it. Okay. But, 667 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:10,140 you know, it would be silly to say that. It'd be silly to say 668 00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:12,510 that radio stations haven't been doing podcasting because they 669 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,980 they have, except they haven't been able to be full 670 00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:20,010 participants because of they've got all these licensing issues. 671 00:44:20,010 --> 00:44:23,250 You can't create correct downloadable episode of a bunch 672 00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:31,590 of songs. Correct. So this is a way to get it to get radio, the 673 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:37,380 radio industry to be a first class citizen within podcasting 674 00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:43,590 by bringing the live item to them, this is something they can 675 00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:49,350 use. They can now they can now be in a podcast app as a as a 676 00:44:49,350 --> 00:44:54,120 legitimate thing. Because they have the thing that they need 677 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,480 now, right. And it's also musics, you know, it can be 678 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:03,330 music centric, it emerges music into podcasting in a natural 679 00:45:03,330 --> 00:45:08,760 way, which is the radio way? I guess I'm I'm fond of things 680 00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:12,300 like this when you say, okay, hey radio is time to get on 681 00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:16,920 board with podcasting, like in a legit way. And here's how you 682 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,220 can do it. I'm really fond of these things like where you 683 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:26,940 build a protocol or technology that allows people to come into 684 00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:30,150 podcasting or whatever this this this space that you're working 685 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:34,320 in, without having to like do a total upheaval of everything 686 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,580 they know, right? Like, you're lowering the bar, the barrier to 687 00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:39,000 entry. 688 00:45:39,029 --> 00:45:44,129 It's interesting, you bring that up because they the 100%, retro, 689 00:45:44,879 --> 00:45:47,819 had someone working on an app, and I think they have an app. 690 00:45:48,299 --> 00:45:51,749 I'm not sure where it's available. But know, what 691 00:45:51,749 --> 00:45:54,629 basically comes back to me is so we spend all this time and 692 00:45:54,629 --> 00:45:58,169 effort on an app. And you're telling me that we automatically 693 00:45:58,169 --> 00:46:02,939 are now available in all apps already? Yes, yeah. Yes. 694 00:46:02,939 --> 00:46:06,209 Correct. That is pretty much it, right. And so unless you want to 695 00:46:06,209 --> 00:46:10,379 stay in radio, like this is our you know, where you want to keep 696 00:46:10,379 --> 00:46:13,079 everybody and lock them in, which I don't think is a great 697 00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:16,229 future, then, you know, with your own app, so it's only and 698 00:46:16,229 --> 00:46:20,369 we even have the Wii, and although not quite sure how 699 00:46:20,369 --> 00:46:27,059 it'll work. But comments are the social interact, which, which 700 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:31,889 Alex gates correctly pointed out. So what exactly how exactly 701 00:46:31,889 --> 00:46:35,879 does that work? Because the way it's set up right now, if I make 702 00:46:35,879 --> 00:46:39,149 a comment, it's it's a comment to something to a piece of media 703 00:46:39,149 --> 00:46:44,159 that doesn't exist. It's just a comment thread from a certain 704 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,409 point in time. Is that does that sound right? 705 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,710 Yeah. And I see the I definitely see the issue there that you're 706 00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:55,800 you're basically commenting on what he called an ephemeral 707 00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:56,580 item. 708 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160 Yeah, that just disappears. 709 00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:03,960 Yeah. And then I know, I get it, I totally get that. It's more 710 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:10,110 like just a, it's an x, it's a way to show what's possible, I 711 00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:14,850 really just did that as more of a tech demo of here's, because I 712 00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:17,040 don't know what the future is going to look like when it comes 713 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:23,070 to this kind of cross pollinates with this other. I don't know if 714 00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:29,640 it's a push or more of just an exploration of ideas of Mitch 715 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,690 was the last one to mention it. But it's been mentioned before 716 00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:37,110 by by Christian Decker and other people in the lightning side is 717 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:44,550 splitting out the messages from the payments. That your so that 718 00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:47,670 your booster grounds are going over activity pub or XMPP or 719 00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:51,630 nostril. Reuters. Right. But then, but then the actual 720 00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:53,880 payments taking place on line nine running and then you do 721 00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:58,740 it's, it's a way to sort of split the data from the payment, 722 00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:59,670 which is, 723 00:47:59,670 --> 00:48:03,660 which is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. As long as 724 00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:09,120 it's Yeah, go ahead. Well, well, the there's pros and cons there. 725 00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:16,320 And the the Pro is you have unlimited space. Now, it's not 726 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,800 really about Unlimited, unlimited space, it's about the 727 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,560 fact that within a booster gram, you don't know how much space 728 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,580 you have, at any given time because the onion size changes, 729 00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:31,560 right? So you could be working with 1300 Bytes one minute, and 730 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,490 then you know, it 731 00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,730 could be 1100 In the next Yeah, just just because the routing of 732 00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:38,850 the payment. Yeah. So it has it has to be short no matter what. 733 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,560 It's certainly not a really efficient way of using the 734 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,490 Lightning Network. 735 00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:50,250 It's not the only you know, the cons are the constant splitting 736 00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:53,400 them in these aren't you can't discount these. And this, this 737 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:59,790 goes back again to lowering the barrier of entry. It's common, 738 00:48:59,820 --> 00:49:05,100 now you're adding some complexity. You split. It may 739 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,790 not be ideal, but I'm not sure we would even have booster grams 740 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:11,160 yet. If we had set out to do it that way. I 741 00:49:11,759 --> 00:49:14,039 completely agree. 100%. 742 00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:15,990 Because if you're saying if you're saying okay, you need an 743 00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:19,350 AP, you got to have AP, you got an activity pub over here. And 744 00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:21,660 then you're gonna have to have Lightning Lightning payments 745 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:25,680 over here. And now you're gonna have to have a payment, a proof 746 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,760 of payment mechanism that goes between the two. Like, I think 747 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,520 that that is an aspirational goal and an important one that 748 00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:35,700 that needs to happen, but it could not have happened at the 749 00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,970 beginning. I don't think it would have gone I don't think it 750 00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:39,240 would have 751 00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,990 I agree and ground. In fact, let's let's remember the Genesis 752 00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:49,620 was Sphinx, the Sphinx app. And they they were doing boosts or 753 00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:55,650 boosts and did the booster gram come while we were taught that 754 00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:59,310 what did they have that already or do we know I think I think 755 00:49:59,310 --> 00:50:02,190 was built into their system, they were already using the TLV 756 00:50:02,190 --> 00:50:07,500 for just for chat pieces. Right? So you, yeah, you would the TLV 757 00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:09,750 carried the short message, I think 758 00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:14,880 you're right in the TLV. In the TLVs. Registry, there is a 759 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,200 sphinx registration in there for payment information, like 760 00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:23,490 there's a TLV already, so they just switched it. Okay. I mean, 761 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:28,770 like, here's, here's the way that it looks to me is you need 762 00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:40,230 more. You need more interested parties pushing the in the same 763 00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:44,490 direction, in order to go from the level we're at now to the 764 00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:48,240 next level. And that's another reason, you know, I mean, 765 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,360 bringing it back to the radio thing yet again. There are once 766 00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:58,020 once we get to a certain level of momentum, you know, maybe 767 00:50:58,020 --> 00:51:00,960 radios, maybe radio stations begin to come into this party, I 768 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,540 don't know. Once we get to a certain level of momentum, then 769 00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:06,540 you can say, okay, at some point when it makes sense, and you 770 00:51:06,540 --> 00:51:09,570 have a lot of people that are saying that are saying, we're 771 00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:13,290 willing, you know, we want to push us back forward, then we 772 00:51:13,290 --> 00:51:18,300 can say, okay, v2. Now, now we have like all these people 773 00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:23,850 willing to get on board and push, push this push a new spec, 774 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,870 a new flavor forward. And, to me, that feels like the right 775 00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:32,010 thing to do. Because, unfortunately, the Tech Tech 776 00:51:32,010 --> 00:51:35,190 doesn't exist in a vacuum. You know, I've said before, you 777 00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:39,090 know, half of our half of the stuff I do is not even it has 778 00:51:39,090 --> 00:51:42,120 nothing to do with code or anything. It's like, responding 779 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,710 to people's emails responding to like helping having a phone call 780 00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:51,900 with a hosting company. It's like evangelism. Yeah. It's 50%. 781 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:55,830 Tech and 50%. Evangelism, and you can't, like if you just 782 00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:01,230 projects die when they don't do the evangelism part, when they 783 00:52:01,230 --> 00:52:05,010 don't work with people and that kind of stuff. So if we have, it 784 00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:07,410 doesn't matter how good the tech is, you have to sort of meet 785 00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:11,010 people where they're at. And then I feel like that's the way 786 00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:15,000 forward because I want I want to get that part done. But I feel 787 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,150 like we need some more. I don't know there's some there's a 788 00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:21,420 missing piece here that we needed. There's not a missing 789 00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:24,480 piece. But there's there's missing parties here. Because 790 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,780 the lightning people there. They're not interested enough. 791 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,030 We're having to do all this crap ourselves. 792 00:52:33,060 --> 00:52:35,190 Oh, no, they're not interested in micro payments. They're not 793 00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:39,000 at all at all at all. They don't care at all. That's frustrating. 794 00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:42,180 They don't actually most lightning people also don't care 795 00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:45,810 about value for value is my experience. They really want 796 00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:51,870 transactions fast. Lots of them got big enough numbers that they 797 00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:58,170 that it makes sense for them. I don't see any real from that. 798 00:52:58,170 --> 00:53:00,810 When you say the lightning folks. I mean, like lightning 799 00:53:00,810 --> 00:53:03,120 labs specifically. They don't care. 800 00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:06,510 Yeah, they told us, they told us flat out on a phone call one day 801 00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:08,010 just just do bigger payments, get 802 00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:11,430 bigger payments, if you want it to work. We're like no, not the 803 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:14,940 way this works, actually. And so of course, when we get a big 804 00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:18,660 payment, this is what we learned from Arrow statica, who boosted 805 00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:24,630 2 million SATs on the last show from from fountain fountain only 806 00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:32,580 had a 2 million sat channel with us. Which was you know, was 1.8 807 00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:37,860 million was on our side already. So yeah, that's gonna fail. And 808 00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:40,230 so we didn't we didn't get it. We couldn't announce it. 809 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,920 Luckily, the two people we had in our in our splits got, they 810 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,120 got their their portion, which was great. But there yet there's 811 00:53:48,510 --> 00:53:51,150 an interesting reverse of the whole problem where we've been 812 00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,660 focused on micro payments, just making it all work, very small 813 00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:57,120 payments, you know, with the fees and everything to keep that 814 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,560 kind of flowing. Someone comes along with a reasonable sized 815 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,550 payment and we fall down. And it didn't get to us through any 816 00:54:05,550 --> 00:54:08,850 other means either because we got lots of incoming liquidity, 817 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:11,550 but it just didn't get to us. So you know, 818 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,690 what, a two amp amp is going to solve everything. Yeah, and 819 00:54:15,690 --> 00:54:20,850 Bolt 12 Bolt. Like I keep seeing Bolt 12 github messages so 820 00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:24,210 they're working on it. I don't know if that'll ever happen. 821 00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:28,650 I've been doing on the cross app comments from I've been spent 822 00:54:28,650 --> 00:54:30,030 some time researching noster 823 00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:34,920 da I had this on my on my list last I wanted to pop it to 824 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,100 surprise you with it. I've been spending some time on Nastar 825 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:38,790 myself. Okay, 826 00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,860 let's let's do it last then let's get let's do it. Let's 827 00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:42,390 suppose we get other stuff talking about 828 00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:45,420 All right, then let's process comments because it leads into 829 00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:50,460 it. Right? Yes, I had I had an experience which I wanted to 830 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:51,000 relay. 831 00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:52,560 Yes, please relay. 832 00:54:54,180 --> 00:54:57,210 So a lot of things happened since we were last talking about 833 00:54:57,210 --> 00:55:00,060 this. And one of the things that came back to me when I'm I'm 834 00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:05,160 planning I'm saying giving up. We're publishing social interact 835 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,150 tags, which is quote unquote, cross app comments on every show 836 00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:13,410 I do. And what came back to me was, well, you know, what you're 837 00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:17,250 using on podcasting. 2.0 is broken you using the slug, it 838 00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,290 never should have been used, even though I was told 839 00:55:19,290 --> 00:55:24,540 specifically to use it. And so that delta is basically holding 840 00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:28,170 it wrong. Yes, it's exactly what I felt like, Okay, I'm holding 841 00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:31,950 it wrong. I'm sorry. And that wasn't malice on anyone's part. 842 00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:34,590 But I understand how these things work, which is why I was 843 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:36,960 I was kind of saying, Hey, I'm just gonna give up. I'll keep 844 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,530 publishing the content. But I don't, I'm not I'm getting tired 845 00:55:40,530 --> 00:55:43,230 of asking for someone to implement it. And then it's 846 00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:45,420 like, well, it's all kind of there. You know, it's you just 847 00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:49,080 can't, you can't log in from an app. And so I let me go try 848 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,820 this. And I know that Caitlin is like me, he's putting his social 849 00:55:53,820 --> 00:56:00,180 interact, tags him. And so I on pod news. I on pod verse, the 850 00:56:00,180 --> 00:56:03,990 pod news, I go to go to comments, I tap on the comment 851 00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:07,920 thinking that I shouldn't be, you know, that I maybe I'll have 852 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,500 to log into my instance, once. But no, here's the here's what 853 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:17,730 happens. You go to that particular post, which is the 854 00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:18,570 route post, 855 00:56:18,930 --> 00:56:21,480 okay, you're in, I'm in the meat. Let me make sure I'm 856 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,890 tracking. You're in pod verse. 857 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,270 I'm in pod verse. And I click on the post, and it opens that 858 00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:32,460 post, I think in a browser in the app. I like it pops, like a 859 00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:36,120 web view. The web G Correct. Okay. Okay. And there, I'm 860 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:42,420 greeted by, if you want to reply to this, you have to copy this 861 00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:46,980 URL, go to your own site, search, put it into the search 862 00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:51,690 box, then it will pop up, and then you can comment on it. And 863 00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:56,370 this seems to be a thing. Whether you're in an app or not, 864 00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,680 I don't see the problem. What's it what's wrong with this? 865 00:57:00,390 --> 00:57:03,990 You don't see what's wrong with this. Every single. Okay, thank 866 00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:07,380 you. It was a very bad experience, 867 00:57:07,529 --> 00:57:10,019 you need to queue up that ISO, by the way, because I feel like 868 00:57:10,019 --> 00:57:11,669 we're gonna have to use that a lot. I'm ready for do 869 00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:15,300 you need it? Now? It's needed. Now. That's not entirely true. 870 00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:19,470 That's a good one. It's not entirely true. I'm gonna use 871 00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:19,980 this. 872 00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:27,990 The. So I think why that is happening to you. And it would 873 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,720 make sense that it would happen on every mobile devices. Because 874 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,860 when you when you open up a web view from inside another app, 875 00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:40,980 it's sandbox you don't have it doesn't inherit your cookie 876 00:57:40,980 --> 00:57:44,400 collection and things like that. You're not logged in 877 00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:48,210 correct. Make sense. But when I logged in on the same app, and I 878 00:57:48,210 --> 00:57:51,960 did, and I went to my own site, I had to do the same thing. 879 00:57:52,350 --> 00:57:54,840 Right row, I think I think you're gonna do Yeah, I think 880 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,570 you're gonna have that's going to be a problem. That's why the 881 00:57:57,570 --> 00:58:01,740 cross app comment reply, activity, pub replies need to be 882 00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:06,750 baked in to the app itself, and not a WebView. I don't think the 883 00:58:06,810 --> 00:58:10,680 the WebView is not going to work is not going to work. It's not 884 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,010 good. It's 885 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,370 interesting that I'm the only person who actually tried this 886 00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:17,040 apparently, I don't think a single person in our group has 887 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,190 ever actually tapped on a comment and tried to comment in 888 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:23,220 the app. And that was a huge letdown for me. 889 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,830 This that is not entirely true. This is this is the conundrum of 890 00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:35,850 cross app comments, and I feel like cross F comments boils down 891 00:58:35,850 --> 00:58:42,990 to one issue. That really ultimately there are there are 892 00:58:42,990 --> 00:58:50,070 sub sub issues, but the one made major issue is it's not, it will 893 00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:53,310 not gain traction until it becomes visible. 894 00:58:53,370 --> 00:58:59,520 Yep. I agree. It's, it's completely hidden. The replies 895 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,030 are not showing up. Because I noticed that their replies I 896 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:09,270 find today I did see my reply. Interestingly, I guess James is 897 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:13,020 using the same route post, I'm not quite sure, because it 898 00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:19,290 showed up on the new episode of pod news. And it was the comment 899 00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:22,200 I put in two days ago. Regardless, there's two things 900 00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:26,820 it's not showing up this is why the booster gram interaction on 901 00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:31,320 fountain shows up prominently. So you show that guess what 902 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:37,500 people use it. Now they also have a vibe notice fountain if 903 00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,320 it's not a value for value enabled podcast, they have 904 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,400 something called comment. I have no idea what that is. I have no 905 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:50,040 idea. I'm sure it doesn't go into the social interact tag. So 906 00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:52,350 you know that that thing is very confusing to me. 907 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,870 Now, I think we I think we had a good solution or not as not as 908 00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:02,250 it's not a full solution, but I think we had a good Wait is to 909 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,730 do get more visibility and traction, which is, you know, 910 01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:11,190 cross pollinate the two cross F comment technologies together so 911 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:15,360 that they both live in the URL. And I'm gonna go I'm just gonna 912 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,610 go ahead and go into the nostre thing. The did some did some 913 01:00:20,610 --> 01:00:27,180 looking this I get it noster makes some sense. 914 01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:31,710 I want to tell people what noster is because I'm not so 915 01:00:31,710 --> 01:00:33,270 sure people understand. 916 01:00:33,899 --> 01:00:39,809 Okay, not noster is a protocol by the same guy or guys that did 917 01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:47,129 Ellen URL, I'm pretty sure. And it is supposed to be what is 918 01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:51,749 described as a censorship resistant pronouns gene 919 01:00:51,779 --> 01:00:56,729 protocol. Yeah. And the idea here is that you have noster 920 01:00:56,729 --> 01:01:02,669 relays, which will relay messages back and forth, you 921 01:01:02,669 --> 01:01:06,119 know, essentially gossip them around around the their noster 922 01:01:06,359 --> 01:01:10,559 network. And everybody you know, you get a public, you get a 923 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:15,899 private key. And every master message is signed with the 924 01:01:15,899 --> 01:01:20,099 private key and can be verified that you know, you are who you 925 01:01:20,099 --> 01:01:27,209 say you are, by public key authentication. And this way, 926 01:01:27,209 --> 01:01:32,549 it's supposed to be censorship resistant because as opposed to 927 01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:38,249 something like Mastodon where you have different we have we 928 01:01:38,249 --> 01:01:43,529 have instances that you're you are a my my account on podcast 929 01:01:43,529 --> 01:01:48,359 index dot social is linked intimately to podcasts index dot 930 01:01:48,359 --> 01:01:51,659 social. So there's somebody blocks our instance I am blocked 931 01:01:51,659 --> 01:01:56,669 as a as a result than being sort of like, in the nostril Ward, 932 01:01:56,669 --> 01:02:02,099 you would each each entity is is stands on its own. It stands on 933 01:02:02,099 --> 01:02:05,819 its own. It's not, it's censorship resistant in that 934 01:02:05,819 --> 01:02:06,059 way. 935 01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:08,790 And so the censorship resistant part, I didn't get that 936 01:02:08,790 --> 01:02:13,800 marketing, I don't care. I see it as something this is not us. 937 01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:17,700 So, of course, what's going to happen? Because this is how it's 938 01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:21,930 been launched this protocol, everyone's going to see it as a 939 01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:24,750 censorship resistant Twitter, that is already the marketing 940 01:02:24,750 --> 01:02:30,690 and that is just completely incorrect. What I like seeing is 941 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:36,720 Chester, which is a chess, it's a chess app. And you and you 942 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,110 literally play chess against other people through noster. 943 01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:46,080 Because Okay, noster is the way I see it, of course, like with 944 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,240 everything, oh, yeah, it's censorship, resistant, 945 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,170 decentralized, but you need all these relays, okay. They're 946 01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:56,460 really easy to run to the relay thing is like, it's to me, it's 947 01:02:56,460 --> 01:02:59,940 like it's little it's its own little mini activity, pub, and 948 01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:03,090 you can run your own. And that's where you'll have censorship or 949 01:03:03,090 --> 01:03:07,380 not, in fact, I would probably want to make sure that if I got 950 01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:11,070 a whole bunch of porn stuff that it doesn't spam, if I have, if 951 01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:16,110 I'm looking at a firehose, to me. noster is a protocol that, I 952 01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:18,570 mean, it would be more interesting to see pod ping rot. 953 01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:21,060 And I didn't want to bring that up, because no one wants to deal 954 01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:23,850 with POD ping for the next month. But it would be more 955 01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:26,940 interesting to see pod ping being published on it and being 956 01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:30,000 ingested than any other common thing. 957 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,330 Does that make reading mama? You're reading my mind. Okay. 958 01:03:33,330 --> 01:03:40,500 And so the NASPO to me, noster is it's fine, what it for what 959 01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,460 it wants to be. And I don't necessarily have a problem with 960 01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:49,140 it. Except there's a couple of the I don't see how it's any 961 01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:52,740 different than, I don't see how it's going to be any different 962 01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:57,510 than Tor. Because what you have is these relays, essentially our 963 01:03:57,510 --> 01:04:02,250 exit nodes. And then, like, if you just all of a sudden start 964 01:04:02,250 --> 01:04:05,820 spewing out a bunch of a bunch of illegal materials through one 965 01:04:05,820 --> 01:04:09,690 of these relays. Like, How's that different than just getting 966 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,450 the tour, you're gonna get, you're getting all sudden, 967 01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,360 you're gonna get really starting to get blocked, you're gonna 968 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,530 have a lot you know, in every time if you if you if you sell 969 01:04:19,530 --> 01:04:23,640 this as censorship resistant, it's a huge mistake. It's going 970 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,160 to hit every all the bad guys are going to go there and 971 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,350 they're going to start doing a bunch of crap that you that 972 01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:28,830 what's already 973 01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:31,920 happening. I mean, someone literally sure spammed the 974 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,070 entire firehose of a whole bunch of relays with Asian porn. And 975 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,460 so relay started filtering that out. This is exactly what this 976 01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:46,350 so it's all the same. What I like about it, is you don't 977 01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:50,820 actually need to have an instance. So instead of you 978 01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:54,390 having to sign up somewhere, and I believe you can even just use 979 01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:59,730 your Albie wallet or your your lightning address. You could say 980 01:04:59,730 --> 01:05:04,050 hey, This is um, generally I'm using this lightning node ID as 981 01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:09,780 my identity. And what they have done or what I'm seeing is that, 982 01:05:10,290 --> 01:05:13,920 and I think it's mainly Jack Dorsey who was all over this 983 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,490 thing. I mean, I logged over noster Oh, I logged on right 984 01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:20,610 away. I'm getting Hey, Adam. I'm getting you know, hang 10 Emojis 985 01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:27,870 from from Dorsey? Because he has invested in an app I think that 986 01:05:27,870 --> 01:05:31,800 uses noster. Of course, yeah. Well, you know what, that's 987 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,040 okay. If he wants to criticism, no, no, in fact, I think that's 988 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,520 great, because it probably will never come back to him in any in 989 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:43,140 any fashion or not for a long time, if it's an investment. But 990 01:05:43,140 --> 01:05:48,690 I kind of like that idea that that you don't and you can use 991 01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:55,440 one identity for for anything, essentially, within within the 992 01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,480 nostril world. And I mean, I see it as a, it seems like a very 993 01:06:00,510 --> 01:06:07,500 interesting protocol to look at for things. Forget cross app 994 01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,110 comments for a second because right now, no one's demanding 995 01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:13,290 it. No one's sending me emails. I'm not getting any FedEx here. 996 01:06:13,290 --> 01:06:16,380 Say, Oh, if only I could have comments. None of that. 997 01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:23,700 Yeah, so Spencer said that Dorsey put he gave 14 Bitcoin to 998 01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:27,930 fiat just nostril foundation. Okay, well, good. And yeah, it 999 01:06:27,930 --> 01:06:30,510 basically subsidizes censorship resistant, except when you post 1000 01:06:30,510 --> 01:06:32,610 porn, we can easily sit straight without much resistance. 1001 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,310 Right. But But yeah, but for me, it's much more interesting, 1002 01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:38,730 because I think, look, we're right now podcasts index the 1003 01:06:38,730 --> 01:06:43,740 node that functions as a very important piece in in, in 1004 01:06:43,770 --> 01:06:47,610 providing liquidity from left to right all over the place. In 1005 01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:50,460 fact, more than more than most people know when you when you 1006 01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:53,730 look at what's really running on stuff that we're that we're 1007 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,760 providing. So it would be very logical for us to have a relay 1008 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,240 and us and a network of trusted relays, you know, you don't have 1009 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:08,010 to be part of one huge network. As long as we do what we've done 1010 01:07:08,010 --> 01:07:11,490 so far, it's all kind of the same thing. And I feel that, to 1011 01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:16,230 me, personally, noster has a place in podcasting 2.0, where 1012 01:07:16,230 --> 01:07:17,520 I'm not quite sure yet. 1013 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,320 But But, but I think it has a place in pod pain. Yes, it 1014 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,420 does. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think it has a real 1015 01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:27,420 good place with POD ping. I just didn't really want to bring it 1016 01:07:27,420 --> 01:07:30,930 up. Because if I say pod Fang and you know, it should be a 1017 01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:34,590 nostalgia, we can complain a row like not everyone's gonna hate 1018 01:07:34,590 --> 01:07:35,010 me. 1019 01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:39,810 No, no, here's, here's the. So this is why I said while ago, 1020 01:07:39,810 --> 01:07:44,910 you read my mind, because the here's here's, I don't flee, I 1021 01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:48,990 don't see how you break out of this problem. Every one of these 1022 01:07:48,990 --> 01:07:54,780 technologies is going, whether it's Tor, or Noster, or activity 1023 01:07:54,780 --> 01:08:01,890 pub, or IPFS, or Lappi, to P blockchains. They're all going 1024 01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:06,270 to have ultimately this problem, which is, how do you keep out 1025 01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:10,680 the truly terrible stuff? Because Because as soon as that 1026 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:16,350 stuff begins to come in, and it will, they're all it just makes 1027 01:08:16,350 --> 01:08:20,910 everything bad. I mean, they it attracts heat that nobody wants. 1028 01:08:21,540 --> 01:08:25,440 And that's, that's just the reality of the world that we 1029 01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:33,180 live in. Agree. And so to me, what is the only way to truly be 1030 01:08:33,210 --> 01:08:36,570 redundant in a way where you can say we're not putting all of our 1031 01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:41,460 eggs in one basket. And this is what all of the prod pink 2.0 1032 01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:46,050 work was built on this idea that we are going to support multiple 1033 01:08:46,050 --> 01:08:50,400 protocols. So that's the truth. That's the only way that you 1034 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,790 solve this problem is you. You don't you don't say okay, we're 1035 01:08:53,790 --> 01:08:55,890 going to, okay, we're gonna solve this. We're not going to 1036 01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:59,460 do hive, we're gonna do noster No, no, no, we're gonna say, you 1037 01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:02,220 say no, we're gonna do, we're gonna do hive, we're gonna do 1038 01:09:02,220 --> 01:09:08,100 noster we're going to activity pub, we're gonna do IPFS we're 1039 01:09:08,100 --> 01:09:10,590 gonna do object storage, we're gonna, we're gonna do we'll have 1040 01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:16,590 10 different protocols that are all that are all doing. pod bay. 1041 01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:20,640 And you just, if one falls down, you flip over to the other end. 1042 01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:24,660 To me, that's the only solution for true redundancy. 1043 01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:31,470 Gotcha. I agree. I would love to see. And I'd need more. We need 1044 01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:34,650 more analysis probably I certainly have not been all I've 1045 01:09:34,650 --> 01:09:37,530 been been able to do is just see that it works. I've been able to 1046 01:09:37,530 --> 01:09:42,060 try, you know, move to different interfaces using just my my 1047 01:09:42,060 --> 01:09:47,280 private key. You know, I have a real good understanding of what 1048 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,160 the system is where exactly what you said where the weaknesses 1049 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,130 are. I've that said, I've had a really good time because there 1050 01:09:53,130 --> 01:09:58,680 are people on noster that I know a lot of people and they're 1051 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,960 finding me I don't know don't know exactly how. But so it 1052 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,350 probably because it's still relatively small. I would love 1053 01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:13,680 to see it integrated into into pod ping and perhaps the app 1054 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,820 side so apps can receive pod pings and make their own 1055 01:10:17,820 --> 01:10:20,460 decisions at that point. Does that make sense? 1056 01:10:21,449 --> 01:10:28,709 Yeah, well, yeah. So the it needs to be protocol. agnostic. 1057 01:10:28,859 --> 01:10:32,909 Right. And, and flat and protocol flexible. 1058 01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:37,860 Proto credit. Proto flexible. I like um, this is a new word. 1059 01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:41,700 protozoan. Flexible? That's a gender. 1060 01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:44,550 It is. It is proto flexible. Yes. 1061 01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,890 What? What are your pronouns for proto flexible? 1062 01:10:48,930 --> 01:10:51,750 Nut? noster? hosters. Shuster? 1063 01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:57,090 hoster. noster? Yes. By the way, I couldn't resist. I had to 1064 01:10:57,090 --> 01:11:00,180 register noster dot dog. I don't know why it was available. I 1065 01:11:00,180 --> 01:11:03,330 just thought it was funny. Dog. Dog. I want to be the noster 1066 01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:05,550 dog. Naughty Dog. 1067 01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:07,770 It doesn't look great dog name anyway. 1068 01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:09,540 noster coming austere. 1069 01:11:12,750 --> 01:11:17,580 That to me, to me, they all it's just one. It's I'm not enamored 1070 01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:21,690 with it the way some people are. But it it is. It can just be 1071 01:11:21,690 --> 01:11:24,180 another thing in the stack. 1072 01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:27,780 So what you're saying is it should it could be another thing 1073 01:11:27,780 --> 01:11:32,010 in the it could be another protocol in the social interact 1074 01:11:32,010 --> 01:11:32,520 stack? 1075 01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:36,000 Yeah, possibly. 1076 01:11:36,450 --> 01:11:39,390 Why is why? Why not? Why? Why only possibly? 1077 01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:46,230 Because I've yet to see somebody actually do it. Do what like do 1078 01:11:46,230 --> 01:11:52,350 any of it. Like because this? Now, I mean, a lot of times 1079 01:11:52,350 --> 01:12:00,240 people show up. And this was not the case here. Somebody 1080 01:12:00,270 --> 01:12:04,740 mentioned nostre. To me with social interact. And I and they 1081 01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:10,530 were, they're truly willing to build it. But really, a lot of 1082 01:12:10,530 --> 01:12:13,410 times, people Oh, with the end of this should be nostre. And 1083 01:12:13,410 --> 01:12:17,580 then just to never do anything. So like, I mean, 1084 01:12:17,610 --> 01:12:22,020 right? If someone shows up and builds it then yeah, of course. 1085 01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:25,200 So I just want to make sure whoever is interested in 1086 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,360 building this it we're open to that, I would say but jump. 1087 01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:35,250 Here's is that uh, no. You went, huh? What did this? I don't 1088 01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:39,930 know. Did it? I don't know. I sound we're open. We're open to 1089 01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:41,190 building a new mine, huh? 1090 01:12:43,980 --> 01:12:44,790 That was involuntary, 1091 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,030 dense, diverse, sensitive, darling, to what you to all of 1092 01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:56,220 your noises I so that's not entirely true. Because I had 1093 01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:58,950 very similar thing. I was like, oh, okay, this is the new 1094 01:12:58,950 --> 01:13:03,060 matrix. And that turned out to be a total flop as far as I'm 1095 01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:05,790 concerned. A total mess. 1096 01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,830 How many of these are we had? I'm just I'm so burned out. I 1097 01:13:10,830 --> 01:13:14,610 agree. I we should do so. And so because I'm just like, you know, 1098 01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:19,140 matrix activity pub noster XMPP. It's just like, I mean, this 1099 01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:24,390 making my head spin. The reason a light lightning comment. So 1100 01:13:24,420 --> 01:13:29,580 Oscar, to his credit, built a fully fleshed out functional 1101 01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:34,200 system for lightning comments. He put his money where his mouth 1102 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:39,150 is in his not his money. He put his time where his mouth is, is 1103 01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:41,220 built a thing that actually works. 1104 01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:44,430 How about this? Can I interrupt you for one second? Yes, yes, 1105 01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:51,180 yes. What if Oscar took his lightning comments system and 1106 01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:57,360 duplicated those comments in noster. So they could at least 1107 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,760 show up in other places, without having because I've been racking 1108 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,840 my brain, you know, without having to put a split for every 1109 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:13,620 app out there. This might be an interesting way to replicate the 1110 01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:17,190 light lightning comments to other places, other apps other 1111 01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:17,880 places 1112 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,930 you got you essentially get to the same the same place you did 1113 01:14:22,260 --> 01:14:26,820 on my sheet here just says bridges is the solution. Yes, 1114 01:14:26,820 --> 01:14:28,110 Bridge is the solution 1115 01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:29,970 is the solution. Okay, 1116 01:14:30,420 --> 01:14:33,150 well, here's how you can go Why don't we go? I should 1117 01:14:33,150 --> 01:14:36,330 just let you do the show which say the same thing. Why am I why 1118 01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:38,730 are we wasting our time here? We agree on everything. 1119 01:14:40,050 --> 01:14:41,040 You send out minutes. 1120 01:14:42,420 --> 01:14:48,360 Right? We'll just have some chat GPT right up. Right up the 1121 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,250 meeting the meeting minutes everybody 1122 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:56,400 noster bridges adopted. That to me, that's that's your activity. 1123 01:14:57,060 --> 01:14:59,970 Whatever the parent protocol is, doesn't doesn't necessarily 1124 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,390 matter, it can be activity pub, it can be XMPP, it can be 1125 01:15:04,140 --> 01:15:06,690 noster. It can be whatever lightning comments, whatever. 1126 01:15:06,930 --> 01:15:11,490 But it just need then it needs to bridge out to the broader 1127 01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:21,720 ecosystem. So that if you try to if you build noster you need to 1128 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,050 also bridge it to activity pub. Yeah. Yeah, that's where people 1129 01:15:25,050 --> 01:15:25,320 are. 1130 01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:27,660 Yes, I agree. 100% agree. 1131 01:15:28,230 --> 01:15:30,660 In the other way or the other way around? If you I mean, if 1132 01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:33,480 you know that you're a lot of your audience are Bitcoiners. 1133 01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:37,530 And they're high on noster. Right now we'll activity pub 1134 01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:40,920 bridge out to noster. I mean, like, I just want to see this. 1135 01:15:41,130 --> 01:15:44,190 Well, the main the main thing, the point you made earlier, is 1136 01:15:44,190 --> 01:15:47,970 the main point, lightning comments in Fountain are 1137 01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:54,870 surfaced right there. Lightning comments in pod verse three 1138 01:15:54,870 --> 01:16:00,240 swipes over. And I will say if I look now look at the no agenda 1139 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,890 episode from yesterday. And I always start the route post with 1140 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,130 no agenda episode and then the number of comment thread. So 1141 01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:11,640 there's three or four replies on that. And it's showing up. But 1142 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,880 you know, it just it shows up and you know, and then you tap 1143 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,960 on it and says, Leave pod verse for website outside the app. 1144 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,730 Yes. And then I go. Now this does go to no agenda social.com 1145 01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:27,480 in the in, and I'm already logged in and authenticated. But 1146 01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:29,400 that's but I have an account there. 1147 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:35,190 Maybe we made maybe we need to bolster the visibility of 1148 01:16:35,190 --> 01:16:39,540 things. Yeah. With something. Maybe that's 1149 01:16:40,050 --> 01:16:42,270 well, and so again, I'll tell you, I'll tell you because I 1150 01:16:42,270 --> 01:16:48,630 remember everything, the pushback, mainly at the time. I 1151 01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:52,320 think it was Martin. It's like, well, I don't want to have an 1152 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,880 app that sometimes has comments and sometimes doesn't. And 1153 01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,240 that's exactly what fountain did, they created this new 1154 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,920 category, which is comments, which cost you 10 SATs to post 1155 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,190 and there's a whole nother section of people who think it's 1156 01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:12,600 wrong that you charge money to post. And we don't even need to 1157 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,980 go down that road. Because that's just an opinion. And then 1158 01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:20,640 there's going to be another whole crowd was like, Well, what 1159 01:17:20,670 --> 01:17:23,880 if it's on noster? Or activity, but can you delete it? Can you 1160 01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:27,660 can you actually get rid of stuff? So you know all that's 1161 01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:31,080 the conversation I don't want to have anymore? And neither do 1162 01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:31,410 you. 1163 01:17:31,860 --> 01:17:36,870 If it's if if we're totally unprepared to proceed in this 1164 01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:41,160 fashion mentally. If two years from now, we're still talking 1165 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,090 about cross F comments and visibility. I'm, I am prepared 1166 01:17:45,090 --> 01:17:46,620 to declare it as a dead 1167 01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:50,160 idea I declare to get on the last board meeting. 1168 01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:54,570 Well, I'm not going to read declare it. I'm going to say it 1169 01:17:54,570 --> 01:18:00,060 is dead. In the sense it is dead in the sense that it is it will 1170 01:18:00,060 --> 01:18:04,950 be clear at that point that people do not want comments in 1171 01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:05,700 their podcasts. 1172 01:18:06,030 --> 01:18:09,090 I think that's clear already. Honestly, I think it's clear. 1173 01:18:09,810 --> 01:18:14,010 Okay. i To me, the lightning comments is one thing because 1174 01:18:14,010 --> 01:18:17,670 it's booster grams, it's always positive. There's no, I've not 1175 01:18:17,670 --> 01:18:23,430 seen someone boost anything and say this show sucks. Yeah. Or 1176 01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:27,780 even even, I haven't even seen anyone do spam. And you know, 1177 01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:31,320 which will be interesting if you pay to pay to play spam or ads 1178 01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:37,410 or whatever. And it goes both ways, Dave, there's zero demand 1179 01:18:37,410 --> 01:18:41,760 from listeners. And there's really very little motivation 1180 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,850 from app developers. So and I'm okay with that. 1181 01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:48,990 Maybe people want comments in their social media apps, and 1182 01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:51,090 they want podcasts in their podcast apps 1183 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,740 could be totally true. But that's very possible. I still 1184 01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:58,320 think there's an interesting place for noster. I'm not quite 1185 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,340 sure where except I came up with the same thing, pod pig. That 1186 01:19:02,340 --> 01:19:03,990 would be very interesting to see just, 1187 01:19:04,650 --> 01:19:07,260 just, yeah, just another member of the pod paying family. I 1188 01:19:07,260 --> 01:19:07,650 mean, I could 1189 01:19:07,650 --> 01:19:15,300 see someone build a podcast app based on noster. If you haven't 1190 01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,760 been you haven't, if you have the appropriate bridges. Why 1191 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:23,040 not? Oh, I mean, you could have a noster publish your RSS feed? 1192 01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:25,980 Correct. 1193 01:19:27,930 --> 01:19:31,680 Like the entire thing over Nasr, the whole URL or the I like the 1194 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,170 XML content of the feed? Mm hmm. Maybe? 1195 01:19:35,700 --> 01:19:43,140 More or a link to it. Those? I don't know. I just think that 1196 01:19:43,380 --> 01:19:48,210 I'm just I am not viewing noster as a social network. I view it 1197 01:19:48,210 --> 01:19:51,330 as a whole different beast and the chest thing Chester? 1198 01:19:53,550 --> 01:20:00,360 Ornette, ah, yes, c h e SSTR. That kind of got me right Oh, 1199 01:20:00,450 --> 01:20:03,450 you could have any kind of application. And you can 1200 01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:06,930 communicate to a whole bunch of people. It's, in a way, it's a 1201 01:20:06,930 --> 01:20:11,910 little bit like IPFS I guess. Not the storage side, but the 1202 01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:14,910 notification side and the subscription side. These are 1203 01:20:14,910 --> 01:20:16,140 this is not bad. 1204 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:26,040 So the this solves a similar, it's a, I keep fall starting 1205 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,640 here. Okay, here, here's, here's, here's, here's what I'm 1206 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:35,520 trying to say. There is a push back against blockchains from 1207 01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:39,480 the Bitcoin community right now. The Bitcoin No, no, no, 1208 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,980 no, no, no, there are Bitcoin Maxis, who are assholes. And 1209 01:20:43,980 --> 01:20:46,800 they run around and they tell people that they shouldn't be 1210 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,140 doing this and shouldn't be doing that. And they're assholes 1211 01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:52,230 about it. And it's very disappointing that people do 1212 01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:54,960 that. That's what you I'll just say it for you. Because I think 1213 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:55,860 that's what you want to say. 1214 01:20:56,940 --> 01:21:02,790 And that's so like, you hear people say, in this I was 1215 01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:07,650 listening to I think it was the Kevin rook show. And they were 1216 01:21:07,650 --> 01:21:09,600 saying, you know, not everything needs to be a blockchain, not 1217 01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:13,830 just not Kevin, but his guest. Some lightning developer, not 1218 01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:15,960 everything needs to be blockchain. And that's true as 1219 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:22,680 100% true that that is that is incontrovertible. But I think 1220 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,790 this just the nostre thing has taken everybody because it's 1221 01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:30,900 sort of like the first expression of this this from 1222 01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:35,970 within the within the club, so to speak. And he has really 1223 01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:39,600 taken people but you know, by storm, and people are wanting to 1224 01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:43,470 find great things to do with it. And there's money there and that 1225 01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:46,350 kind of thing. And it's all fine. It's all fine. It's all 1226 01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:51,780 fine. I'm, I'm fine with it. But I just I'm just, I'm tired of 1227 01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:53,130 putting all my eggs in one basket. 1228 01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,850 I hear your brother. I hear you. Yeah. And so So I came up with 1229 01:21:56,850 --> 01:22:05,550 one final thing. noster might work might work well, to either 1230 01:22:05,550 --> 01:22:11,820 bridge for a lit chat, or be the live chat. Because not everybody 1231 01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:14,310 has an IRC server what we're currently using, 1232 01:22:14,340 --> 01:22:19,230 Oh, get on to it for further ephemeral. Yes. Yeah. Okay, that 1233 01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,200 that, I think because you can have that in the app. Here's 1234 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:27,750 your chat room for this podcast. For this podcast. Yeah. And then 1235 01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:31,620 maybe if it's a femoral or not, I'm not sure. Maybe that can 1236 01:22:31,620 --> 01:22:34,290 stick around and can be attached to the episode. 1237 01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:38,460 I don't think anybody wants their chat sticking around. I 1238 01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:42,570 think everybody wants it to just be ephemeral. That's not 1239 01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:46,410 entirely true. I, I want it to stick around. I like it. 1240 01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:48,450 I traverse ISO me. 1241 01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:53,040 I like it. Because I've I've always enjoyed watching a replay 1242 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,700 of the chat in real time. YouTube does that often. 1243 01:22:57,930 --> 01:23:00,780 How long does things how long? Do things stick around in 1244 01:23:00,780 --> 01:23:01,320 noster? 1245 01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:05,670 That's a good question. I don't know if there's an expiration 1246 01:23:05,670 --> 01:23:06,930 on? I don't know, 1247 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,570 is it? Is it like Snapchat, where they hit it? 1248 01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:12,570 Just? No, I think I think it depends on the relay that you're 1249 01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:17,490 hitting. The relay will have rules and stuff set up. 1250 01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:22,320 But either way, good point. That's a good that's a good one 1251 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,330 though. I like I liked that I did that make you know, 1252 01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:29,190 honestly, that Roy had mentioned nostre to me the other day? That 1253 01:23:29,190 --> 01:23:37,200 may I was interpreting his his comment is his talk with me as 1254 01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:42,030 cross up comments. He may have been meaning chat. I'd taught 1255 01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:43,200 him about I give him a call. 1256 01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:48,300 Oh, this he doesn't call me anymore. No, is he just blows me 1257 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:48,990 off now. 1258 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,260 He's too busy doing conferences with with Ben Brown of London. I 1259 01:23:55,260 --> 01:23:59,310 mean, what he's doing and Brian of London is speaking at a 1260 01:23:59,310 --> 01:24:04,680 Bitcoin Conference with Roy in some way. It is what Brian said. 1261 01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:08,700 All right. Is this all of these please tell me Is this a virtual 1262 01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:13,290 one? I mean, is Brian gonna have a bulletproof vest on? You 1263 01:24:13,290 --> 01:24:19,290 better walk walking in with a hive t shirt? This is great. To 1264 01:24:19,290 --> 01:24:23,430 have a helmet and by the way, who do I see on noster? Brian of 1265 01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:23,970 London. 1266 01:24:24,599 --> 01:24:26,519 Oh, is he on the Oh yeah, protocol. 1267 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,660 So that may be an interesting way to do it to tie it into lit 1268 01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:34,440 that might like that, that might be something worth doing. That 1269 01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:36,990 might be something worth doing because that that could be just 1270 01:24:36,990 --> 01:24:42,810 something that that just flows along with the app. You signify 1271 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:50,580 either a relay you signal relay, or I guess, some some noster ID 1272 01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:51,300 or something. 1273 01:24:51,809 --> 01:24:54,929 Well, global identities bother me a little bit like I don't I'm 1274 01:24:54,929 --> 01:25:00,689 not that seems creepy. And but but in this context That's 1275 01:25:00,689 --> 01:25:05,039 probably not as big of an issue because you mean you X sort of 1276 01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:08,729 salt serves the role of of a nickserv within us. Exactly. 1277 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,150 Exactly. You don't have to reregister. Yeah. Or you can 1278 01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:15,570 register a separately on every single show if you want to be a 1279 01:25:15,570 --> 01:25:16,380 different person. 1280 01:25:16,769 --> 01:25:20,639 Right, this and that's this. Yeah. This is a good idea. I 1281 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:21,509 like this idea. 1282 01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:26,340 Okay. Hold on a second. Where's that thing? Where's my gavel? 1283 01:25:26,970 --> 01:25:28,680 In the minutes? Just put in 1284 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,140 there. That is ephemeral. 1285 01:25:31,740 --> 01:25:32,910 Chat. noster. 1286 01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:42,420 Adopted. Okay, ephemeral him 12 chat, pimp. 12. Adopted. Okay. 1287 01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:47,340 Okay. What the hell we just did, but okay. Good to go. 1288 01:25:48,570 --> 01:25:51,510 Just a general comment about the slowdown in the pace of 1289 01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:56,670 namespace work. That's intentional. I'm sorry, I'm not 1290 01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,260 ignoring the namespace. But I see the discussions happening 1291 01:26:01,260 --> 01:26:04,080 there. But I feel like this is another one of these periods. 1292 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,180 We've had these before. We need to slow down a little bit and 1293 01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:09,630 let people catch up. There's been a lot, there's been a lot 1294 01:26:09,630 --> 01:26:15,270 of stuff. I mean, we're writing feeds generators for radio 1295 01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:20,010 stations to try to get them to use. If we just keep pledges 1296 01:26:20,010 --> 01:26:22,650 plowing through and creating feature feature feature feature 1297 01:26:22,650 --> 01:26:25,830 for you. I mean, like it just, we, we need a little bit of we 1298 01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:27,660 need a little bit of breather. We need a breather here for a 1299 01:26:27,660 --> 01:26:29,940 couple of months. I agree. I agree. And then bring back 1300 01:26:29,940 --> 01:26:33,090 everything. We push the TXT record fast. So we're, I think 1301 01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:34,410 we need to slow down just a bit, 1302 01:26:34,710 --> 01:26:40,620 and wanted to welcome a new developer, David Foley, also 1303 01:26:40,620 --> 01:26:44,190 known as Grand Duke, David Foley. Come in, and he is 1304 01:26:44,190 --> 01:26:46,950 creating a 2.0 app for roku. 1305 01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:50,490 Beautiful, nice. Yeah, 1306 01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:53,310 the first thing he said was, Hey, man, these images are 1307 01:26:53,310 --> 01:26:59,130 pretty big. They are you know, and thank Thank you. James 1308 01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:02,010 Cridland because James jumped in right away and gave all the 1309 01:27:02,010 --> 01:27:04,560 infos Well, here's, you know, we've wanted this for a long 1310 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,200 time. Here's, here's how I do it. Here's how you can get the 1311 01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,980 smaller sizes. I was beautiful. So now he's off to the races. 1312 01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:13,500 Yeah, I'm gonna grab Nathan to be on the show with us Nathan 1313 01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:16,200 gathright Because he's, he's built. He's got two or three 1314 01:27:16,230 --> 01:27:21,480 projects, 2.0 oriented projects that he's got in the fire. One 1315 01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:24,660 of them is an image resizing service. Finally, you know, 1316 01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:27,030 we've been doing that for what forever and he's also doing a 1317 01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:30,600 transcript that steno.fm Transcript service and that kind 1318 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,150 of thing, so we need to grab him to get it get on how 1319 01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:37,500 do we how do we integrate? Can we put the image service into a 1320 01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:40,470 split or is that actually something that might work better 1321 01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:42,060 with an LSAT just 1322 01:27:42,150 --> 01:27:45,240 actually almost texted him the other day and asked that same 1323 01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,020 question. Can we pay for this with with with a with a 1324 01:27:49,019 --> 01:27:51,869 split? Yeah. Okay. 1325 01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:54,150 We will get him on the show. We'll password 1326 01:27:54,150 --> 01:27:58,050 we are so thinking the same? Yeah, it's Christmas. Just 1327 01:27:58,050 --> 01:28:00,000 Christmas spirit. It is the Christmas spirit. We're 1328 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,950 also Dean Martin and Barolos. 1329 01:28:03,390 --> 01:28:05,070 Know, what is this? 1330 01:28:05,970 --> 01:28:08,610 Yeah, you know, the the Christmas music was just was get 1331 01:28:08,610 --> 01:28:10,140 everybody thinking in the same direction. 1332 01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:13,680 Christina and I are watching one Christmas movie every night. 1333 01:28:14,670 --> 01:28:16,170 When Okay, give me your lineup. 1334 01:28:16,650 --> 01:28:19,530 Well, it's it's a lot. We're trying to watch ones we haven't 1335 01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:22,290 watched before that she had never seen White Christmas, 1336 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:28,560 which is well worth watching. I thought you know, and it's been 1337 01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:36,120 Crosby, Danny K. Clooney, Rosemary Clooney. is black and 1338 01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:41,430 why you know, it's it's just the whole thing is it's also 1339 01:28:41,460 --> 01:28:46,500 Hollywood studio is so obvious. The backdrop. But yeah, but big 1340 01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:49,740 Crosby man. He does have a smooth, beautiful voice you 1341 01:28:49,740 --> 01:28:53,070 listen to him saying it's like I the guy could sing too bad that 1342 01:28:53,070 --> 01:28:58,110 he was I think he abused his wife thing was a wife beater. 1343 01:28:58,140 --> 01:29:01,560 No, no, I didn't tell Tina that we're watching because I knew 1344 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,790 we'd have to turn it off right away. 1345 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:08,340 We also is and who's the other crooner? Guy, Andy. Andy 1346 01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:10,950 Williams. Anyway, EMS Yes, Andy Williams. 1347 01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:15,240 And so there's a new one with Will Ferrell though. I think 1348 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,930 it's called spirited. So we're watching that tonight. The 1349 01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:21,450 Christmas movie? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he has a new Christmas 1350 01:29:21,450 --> 01:29:24,360 movie. So you know that's gonna be spirited 1351 01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:28,500 will will. Me and Marigold washed Krampus the other night. 1352 01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,600 Also a good one is good. It's just good. Like, no. You're just 1353 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,540 like, who cares? It's just a good like, goofy watch. 1354 01:29:36,570 --> 01:29:41,730 So spirited. Spirited is Will Ferrell Ryan Reynolds right 1355 01:29:41,730 --> 01:29:45,030 there. That's enough for me. Yeah, you sold me if you throw 1356 01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:51,990 in some Tracy Morgan just you know for some diversity. And I 1357 01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:54,780 think it's like the Scrooge story, but it's a musical. So 1358 01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:55,710 it'll be great. 1359 01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,970 Can't wait to meet the old Bill Murray Scrooge. That's a classic 1360 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,280 bathrobe. bathrobe VCR, VCR. That's how I did it this year. 1361 01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:09,540 VCR, VCR. Bitcoin wallet. 1362 01:30:10,350 --> 01:30:13,920 Thank you, brother. You sent me a Bitcoin wallet in the mail. 1363 01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:18,720 And I got it. It is the Oculus. This thing is is beautiful to 1364 01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:19,020 look at. 1365 01:30:19,050 --> 01:30:21,900 Well, you shamed me because you sent me a beautiful book. We 1366 01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:25,950 haven't exchanged gifts ever. And ever and all of a sudden out 1367 01:30:25,950 --> 01:30:27,600 of the blue, you send me a nice gift 1368 01:30:28,170 --> 01:30:32,220 for the flag away the lives we don't do that we will. We will 1369 01:30:32,220 --> 01:30:35,550 Reese will stop this. We will not do this again. 1370 01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:40,530 No, no, I like it. I had fun shopping for you. Like what 1371 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:45,060 was it to get Daler wallet? This thing is so nice. Yeah, it was 1372 01:30:45,060 --> 01:30:45,750 beautiful. 1373 01:30:45,870 --> 01:30:50,610 Well, it's a badass. It's a you know, basically. What is it near 1374 01:30:50,610 --> 01:30:54,180 field communication card looks like a credit card. And that's 1375 01:30:54,180 --> 01:30:58,650 your, that's your key. And so you lose that card, or you lose 1376 01:30:58,650 --> 01:31:03,030 the phone, either one, you're back to your seeds, your seed 1377 01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:07,860 words, then you have triple authentication. So it's the 1378 01:31:07,860 --> 01:31:12,780 card. It's a biometric. And it's a pin. So you can set it up. So 1379 01:31:12,780 --> 01:31:16,470 you can look at what you have and accept and receive. But you 1380 01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:19,290 can't send unless you have all of the pieces put together. You 1381 01:31:19,290 --> 01:31:21,390 can leave the card at home and your vault, you know, then it's 1382 01:31:21,390 --> 01:31:25,230 basically a cold wallet. I love that thing. And that's kind of 1383 01:31:25,230 --> 01:31:27,540 my main my main wallet now that I use, 1384 01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:31,110 I think I'm going to use it as the cold card. It also makes you 1385 01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:33,690 feel like a total badass character from Gattaca or 1386 01:31:33,690 --> 01:31:35,370 something like that when you use this thing. 1387 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,860 Just tap myself in Yeah. Does it have that vibe to it? I 1388 01:31:40,860 --> 01:31:46,290 agree getting on the rocket to go to space. What is your what 1389 01:31:46,290 --> 01:31:50,160 is your favorite version of Christmas story? Because there 1390 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:55,170 are multiple versions of Ma. I'm am not a purist in the sense 1391 01:31:55,170 --> 01:31:59,010 that I like the colorized version better than the black 1392 01:31:59,010 --> 01:32:02,520 and white. But it still but it has to have the part that they 1393 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:03,240 removed. 1394 01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:05,460 Now which one are you talking about? 1395 01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,480 The It's A Wonderful Life, 1396 01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:11,700 which Oh, It's a Wonderful Life. Okay. Yeah. 1397 01:32:12,150 --> 01:32:14,490 I like the part that like, you know, they removed that part 1398 01:32:14,490 --> 01:32:16,110 where she's hiding in the bush. Oh, 1399 01:32:16,110 --> 01:32:18,270 I didn't know any of that. Didn't know that was censored. 1400 01:32:18,630 --> 01:32:19,590 Yes. It was censored. 1401 01:32:20,010 --> 01:32:24,150 Like, you know, the part where he's still the robe from her. 1402 01:32:24,150 --> 01:32:27,270 Yes. And she's hiding in the bush or whatever. They cut that 1403 01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:31,320 part out. It was in Italy at some point, like maybe in the 1404 01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:36,090 last 1015 years. So I like I like the pure there, the uncut 1405 01:32:36,090 --> 01:32:37,470 version, but colorized 1406 01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:44,220 I like pure I like pure, pure black and white. Yeah, black and 1407 01:32:44,220 --> 01:32:48,120 white, for sure. 100%. But really, there's only one 1408 01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,880 Christmas story. And it's the one that I have read to my 1409 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,500 daughter, and was read to me every single Christmas Eve for 1410 01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:58,650 as long as I can remember. It was the night before Christmas. 1411 01:32:59,100 --> 01:33:02,220 And all through the house. Not a creature was stirring not even a 1412 01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:07,380 mouse with my minor in her curfew for me and my cat. We had 1413 01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:10,800 just settled down for a long winter's nap, et cetera, et 1414 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:16,440 cetera, et cetera et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I said no, I 1415 01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:20,400 love that. I love Christmas. Christmas is a good vibe. It's a 1416 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,340 good vibe. And Happy Hanukkah, everybody. While we're at it, 1417 01:33:23,340 --> 01:33:26,100 yes. Day five. I think of Hanukkah. 1418 01:33:27,150 --> 01:33:29,280 Do we want to thanks thankful people? Yeah, 1419 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,740 we do have some booster grams that have been coming in. So 1420 01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:35,310 I'll hit those. Right off the bat. Hold on a second. Let me 1421 01:33:35,820 --> 01:33:42,810 get all set here. Where are we? Okay, here we are. We got Dred 1422 01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:48,240 Scott 3333 boosting for the Roku app and another Dred Scott 3333. 1423 01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,890 Pew pew pew. Yeah, you could do some news for you. No problem. 1424 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,880 Steven B 1111. You know what would solve this cross app 1425 01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:03,810 comments thing? Dot dot dot hive. I did want to mention how 1426 01:34:03,810 --> 01:34:08,190 we got a note from Ken the code did you see this from Ken? Ken 1427 01:34:08,190 --> 01:34:12,480 has set up hive the hive tube? Yeah, I haven't. I haven't 1428 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:17,190 played with it. But he has Hi dash tube.com Okay, hey guys, 1429 01:34:17,190 --> 01:34:19,770 we're listening to you for the first time loving your show 1430 01:34:19,770 --> 01:34:25,050 referred to you by Brian TGIF and Hollywood, Byron, TGIF and 1431 01:34:25,050 --> 01:34:28,560 Hollywood. He lives in Acapulco I've built hive too but does 1432 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,040 audio video podcasts, audio books, music, live streams 1433 01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,940 movies, it'll wash your car and do the dishes. It also uses 1434 01:34:35,940 --> 01:34:39,270 activity pub with the hive blockchain and of course for 1435 01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:42,960 user commenting a voting tipping even automated recurring tips 1436 01:34:42,990 --> 01:34:48,000 which is my Patreon killer. I have not looked at this. He also 1437 01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,480 wants to put live online radio stations on hive tube so we know 1438 01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:55,230 this is something to just want to mention hive to hive dash 1439 01:34:55,230 --> 01:34:56,040 tube.com 1440 01:34:56,130 --> 01:34:58,740 That'd be pretty not a hive guy but I love it when people build 1441 01:34:58,740 --> 01:35:00,810 stuff me too. I get it Stay for you, man. 1442 01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:07,290 Hello, Sam Saffi Hello Sam Sethi. 100,000 SAS just came in 1443 01:35:10,230 --> 01:35:12,060 very nicely and Tom Jones 1444 01:35:14,460 --> 01:35:17,640 The Indian Tom Jones. I don't know why you said that, but I 1445 01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:18,030 like it. 1446 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,300 He referred to himself as that on the on the pod news weekly. 1447 01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:26,970 Oh, no, I must have missed that 3333 From chat F verifying my 1448 01:35:26,970 --> 01:35:30,150 account on noster he sent his public key Thank you very much. 1449 01:35:31,050 --> 01:35:35,730 austere dot directory Martin Linda's code rush boost 2112 1450 01:35:36,060 --> 01:35:39,420 Couldn't mass of WordPress Tumblr Pocket Casts fix the 1451 01:35:39,420 --> 01:35:48,390 cross comments thingy? No, no we have Bhumi 21,000 saps can't 1452 01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:51,360 listen live want to stop by and wish you guys happy holidays 1453 01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,930 looking forward to the next great podcasting 2.0 year and I 1454 01:35:54,930 --> 01:36:00,930 could not agree more. All of the good Albie guys great to have 1455 01:36:00,930 --> 01:36:08,340 you in our in our in our sphere. Really enjoy it? Yeah. striper 1456 01:36:08,340 --> 01:36:12,270 boosts from Eric p p 7777. Merry Christmas to you guys. Thank you 1457 01:36:12,270 --> 01:36:19,530 very much Blueberry. Blueberry 22,222 That would be a super row 1458 01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:22,710 of ducks and definitely deserves a little bit of document they're 1459 01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:27,840 meant to have more SATs on the last one. I guess he boosted 1460 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,010 gram before here's an ISO for Dave. Okay, hold on a second. 1461 01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:35,609 Need to random audio from a booster gram always 1462 01:36:35,730 --> 01:36:43,260 always great. Let's see here that's not entirely true. Okay, 1463 01:36:43,290 --> 01:36:49,440 boy, I know we're all over the place. Number 2112 from Martin 1464 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:52,860 Linda's code come on back Dave boot Yes, that's when we when 1465 01:36:52,860 --> 01:36:57,060 you dropped out earlier I'm 5554 from Dred Scott boosting for the 1466 01:36:57,060 --> 01:37:00,360 boot when you're gone we were entertaining ourselves 1467 01:37:01,530 --> 01:37:04,290 Martin even though it takes forever for me to realize I'm 1468 01:37:04,290 --> 01:37:09,300 gone and I'm like you're on a roll it out and then I'm like 1469 01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:11,520 wait Adam is really solid Oh 1470 01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:16,770 6969 from blueberry my two cents on paywalled shows as we talked 1471 01:37:16,770 --> 01:37:19,350 about earlier there's only been two I've paid for upfront to 1472 01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:22,170 access the second half one being the higher side chats and other 1473 01:37:22,170 --> 01:37:25,320 is Great America outlawed awesome shows, but I don't care 1474 01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:29,700 for set it and forget producing the other foot is I assume most 1475 01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:32,520 paywalled shows will never be live which is kind of you know, 1476 01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:37,470 not lit. Yes. We got it. It's kind of not lit. Yeah. 10101 1477 01:37:37,470 --> 01:37:40,590 from Steven Be Merry Christmas podcasting. 2.0 was like a 1478 01:37:40,590 --> 01:37:43,530 subscription to the jelly of the Month Club. It's a gift that 1479 01:37:43,530 --> 01:37:47,220 keeps on giving all year. Beautiful Man. Thank you. Then 1480 01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:52,560 we have 33,333 from firms sir Spencer, long lived value for 1481 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,890 value. The most detrimental effect of the paywall. Patreon 1482 01:37:55,890 --> 01:38:00,120 model is the ceiling you put on yourself. We just read a $100 1483 01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,520 check in the mail last Tuesday in the week before we had a 1484 01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:07,500 $122.22 cent donation for our son's birthday. These types of 1485 01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:11,430 donations are not even possible outside the V for V model. V 1486 01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:14,880 four v is tough to grok until you participate on both sides of 1487 01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,580 the value exchange. Good point. 1488 01:38:17,850 --> 01:38:18,960 That is a good point. 1489 01:38:18,990 --> 01:38:23,040 That's why few understand all caps. Merry Christmas, Dave and 1490 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,920 Adam. Thank you Spencer. I'm going to add this to my arsenal. 1491 01:38:26,220 --> 01:38:29,460 You can't understand it as a podcast or until you've lived it 1492 01:38:29,460 --> 01:38:30,330 as a listener. 1493 01:38:31,170 --> 01:38:33,690 You get to understand it you got to do it. 1494 01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:39,450 Very astute. Yes. 3333 from Chad f this is why I love streaming 1495 01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:44,070 sad so much I pay while I listen and we love it as well. 5555 1496 01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:48,870 from Dred Scott another pew pew 3333 from servo I have nothing 1497 01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:51,420 interesting to say but sending an empty booster Graham feels 1498 01:38:51,420 --> 01:39:00,240 wrong. Yes it is. 77,777 SATs from Mike Newman. Thank you very 1499 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:04,110 much Mike for Christmas Hanukkah striper boost wishing Felice 1500 01:39:04,110 --> 01:39:07,920 Navidad to the boardroom and we appreciate it then we have just 1501 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,870 the absolute Allah 1502 01:39:09,929 --> 01:39:13,679 Sakala 20 his blades on am Paula 1503 01:39:13,710 --> 01:39:20,880 dred Scott's booster grams check this out. 555,555 cent from post 1504 01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:26,730 ematic my first boost failed due to index node busy. I don't 1505 01:39:26,730 --> 01:39:30,720 think so. Boosting for the generator trauma and for Dave's 1506 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,160 heating Merry Christmas. 1507 01:39:32,849 --> 01:39:36,809 Yes. To melt the ice from the Windows side of the windows 1508 01:39:36,990 --> 01:39:43,170 3333 from en for VX PC 202 The moon thank you for your coding 1509 01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:45,330 and there's another Dred Scott I think this is the one he thought 1510 01:39:45,330 --> 01:39:52,350 that didn't send I don't know. Oh, he sent another 555,555 with 1511 01:39:52,350 --> 01:39:55,200 the same note boosting for the generator trauma and then we 1512 01:39:55,200 --> 01:40:00,960 have Drib on pod verse with 333,330 Three boosting for the 1513 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,280 generator tramo drip, if you'd like some of these back, we're 1514 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,980 happy to send some back brother because I think you might have 1515 01:40:08,190 --> 01:40:11,610 and I've had this happen with fountain where I split it down. 1516 01:40:11,730 --> 01:40:15,570 No, no, no that's that's breeze breeze you hold the button down. 1517 01:40:15,570 --> 01:40:18,360 You're just you're spewing SATs everywhere. It's like it's like 1518 01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:26,010 an Uzi of SATs. Coincidence. And no, 1519 01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,410 I think you get a phone call. 1520 01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:33,840 Yeah. Hey, this show has precedence. No on fountain it 1521 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:39,090 happened twice. I send a big ass boost a b, a b, two. I think it 1522 01:40:39,090 --> 01:40:45,420 was pod news. Pod news weekly review. And the app said sorry, 1523 01:40:45,420 --> 01:40:49,800 something went wrong. Check your wallet, checked a wallet. I saw 1524 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,350 nothing went back did it again. Then I went back to the wallet 1525 01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:56,580 and saw that I had boosted the same amount twice. So there's 1526 01:40:56,580 --> 01:41:01,380 something and that was I don't know if that's found an idea. 1527 01:41:01,830 --> 01:41:06,810 Or an idea. For a sanity check. There would be very good idea. 1528 01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:11,280 Keep the last. Keep the last boost or something about some 1529 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:15,360 sort of hash or something if it ends up if the app tries to send 1530 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,810 the same thing again. Yeah, like warn the user like are you sure 1531 01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:21,000 you want to do this? It looks like this may be a great idea. 1532 01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:26,340 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's a good idea. We have tone wrecker. 1533 01:41:26,370 --> 01:41:29,940 1111. The Art of Noise style percussion jam pre show roll was 1534 01:41:29,940 --> 01:41:30,540 loopable 1535 01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:34,650 Well, it's a lot of words and that boosts I 1536 01:41:34,650 --> 01:41:41,610 know. I see Brooklyn 112 Big striper. 77,777 Merry 1537 01:41:41,610 --> 01:41:46,110 podcasting. Here's some candy Oh candy canes. Yeah. Oh sevens are 1538 01:41:46,110 --> 01:41:50,880 candy canes. That's a good one. I like that like that. The NA 1539 01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:55,680 Millennials 16,630 Happy Festivus hope to hear some cross 1540 01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,860 app common grievances being aired well we did deliver didn't 1541 01:41:58,860 --> 01:42:04,230 weigh or whatever we delivered. Blueberry comes in with the 1542 01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:09,990 counterbalance to the striper boosts This is the 66,666 Boost 1543 01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:18,150 Hello Satan. Okay, why do god knows that hatchet and Katana 1544 01:42:18,150 --> 01:42:22,500 were ordered? We ordered finally arrived now when you boost 1545 01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:28,290 66,066 Live to BTS you have one of three ways to murder a goat 1546 01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:32,280 sorry forward slash me check notes. There's four I got the 1547 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,550 chain Sword came in late last night. Nobody called the police 1548 01:42:35,550 --> 01:42:40,740 because this is very legal. Wow. You if that had come in in 1549 01:42:40,740 --> 01:42:43,140 anything but a booster gram I would not have read it. 1550 01:42:44,099 --> 01:42:49,199 No and you would have done and they would have gotten $2,500 1551 01:42:49,229 --> 01:42:50,159 deducted from their pay pal 1552 01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:54,180 can No kidding. Yeah, right away. 2112 again for Martin 1553 01:42:54,180 --> 01:42:58,470 Linda's coke Mary Yuletide and has a whole question about what 1554 01:42:58,470 --> 01:43:02,280 music we listened to during the holidays. Yes. Dave listens to 1555 01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,890 rush. I listened to Kylie Minogue response. 1556 01:43:05,639 --> 01:43:08,579 You know, the John Denver Christmas album rhodamine. Chris 1557 01:43:08,609 --> 01:43:09,749 Dobby does, 1558 01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,400 from RSS blue.com 25,000 sets and to us from Brees. Merry 1559 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:19,560 Christmas. And thank you very much. And I think that is pretty 1560 01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,190 much what I have. If anything else came in overnight. I missed 1561 01:43:23,190 --> 01:43:28,830 it on my node because of previous power outages. And 1562 01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:31,500 maybe we should just head over and thank the people that you 1563 01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:33,750 have on your on your list. Dave have got 1564 01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:40,020 a gotta make good boost from last week from chyron. I think I 1565 01:43:40,020 --> 01:43:43,140 cut off the timing a little bit too quickly. And so I didn't get 1566 01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:46,830 his boost on there. But it's 2222 and he says if when I start 1567 01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:50,280 a podcasting 2.0 Colt, this will become one of the tenets 1568 01:43:50,340 --> 01:43:53,400 probably closer to when I solemnly swear to respect the 1569 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:56,520 splits. I solemnly swear to respect the splits. 1570 01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:00,480 Were happy. 1571 01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:03,690 Yes. You must proclaim allegiance to the split. 1572 01:44:03,690 --> 01:44:06,630 That was the title of the show. Yes, respect this. 1573 01:44:07,710 --> 01:44:15,150 We got two of ours. Every month big donors Marco Arment $500 1574 01:44:15,150 --> 01:44:16,350 Merry Christmas to us. 1575 01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:22,350 Sakala 20 is Blaze own Ambala Thank 1576 01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:25,980 you, Marco. Really appreciate that man. And that's value that 1577 01:44:25,980 --> 01:44:28,380 is very, very much appreciated. 1578 01:44:29,130 --> 01:44:34,980 I'm really hoping that live item is one of the things that comes 1579 01:44:34,980 --> 01:44:38,190 into overcast. It makes a lot of sense and 1580 01:44:38,190 --> 01:44:42,150 makes sense for him to show yeah, the live show exam 1581 01:44:42,150 --> 01:44:44,640 because I see now on Monday now that they've moved all their 1582 01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,550 stuff to Mastodon I see the posts they say we're going to be 1583 01:44:47,550 --> 01:44:51,480 live in 15 minutes, right like that could just just make so 1584 01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:55,950 much more so much sense. Buzzsprout $500 Thank you The 1585 01:44:55,950 --> 01:44:56,250 boys 1586 01:44:58,380 --> 01:45:02,100 Sakala 22 Is bleh on I am Paula 1587 01:45:02,130 --> 01:45:06,030 and of month value for value is heartwarming. 1588 01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:11,700 Yes. Thank you so much guys. You are on their video thing. 1589 01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:13,230 Yes Did you Did you like it? 1590 01:45:13,890 --> 01:45:16,410 I've only watched the first minute or so and I'm gonna 1591 01:45:16,410 --> 01:45:17,130 finish it up now they 1592 01:45:17,130 --> 01:45:24,270 didn't use my joke. What was the question was What do you think 1593 01:45:24,270 --> 01:45:29,820 about the t x t thing? And I said well I'm so happy because 1594 01:45:29,820 --> 01:45:32,550 we did this for one person only we only did it for James 1595 01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:35,550 Cridland said I liked getting the spam though I enjoyed 1596 01:45:35,550 --> 01:45:39,570 getting I enjoyed learning about how I could make money with 1597 01:45:39,570 --> 01:45:42,300 advertising and what great guests I could get but you know 1598 01:45:42,330 --> 01:45:45,570 we love James so the whole industry made sure that we would 1599 01:45:45,570 --> 01:45:49,260 remove spam from James and I had a great rap about it and they I 1600 01:45:49,260 --> 01:45:50,160 don't think they used it. 1601 01:45:50,700 --> 01:45:57,480 Merry Christmas DJ we got some boosts Roy scheinfeld 54321 1602 01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:01,530 Yay call me Roy you know sometimes 1603 01:46:01,770 --> 01:46:07,560 He's Just Not That Into You he's noster is different from AP 1604 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:11,910 matrix etc it's really simple and super powerful hope you 1605 01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:14,520 don't mind if I explore it further not we don't mind at 1606 01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:15,000 all. 1607 01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:18,360 No put it out of court. Hey Roy well here's what you should do 1608 01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:23,100 get some lit stuff working in your app boots and then and 1609 01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:25,620 integrated this I think we basically laid it out for him 1610 01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:28,980 right? Yeah, it's a perfect way to do it perfect waited and we 1611 01:46:29,010 --> 01:46:32,970 love the work that you're doing on Pog so I just a little little 1612 01:46:32,970 --> 01:46:39,180 side note. The Johanna who cuts my hair cutting my hair for over 1613 01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:39,780 a decade 1614 01:46:40,170 --> 01:46:43,950 is Johanna Johanna Johanna. Okay. 1615 01:46:44,580 --> 01:46:49,410 She's actually she's Syrian of origin. And so Johanna, I've 1616 01:46:49,410 --> 01:46:53,040 known for 10 years she's cut my hair and I still go to Austin to 1617 01:46:53,070 --> 01:46:57,060 because I like chatting with her. And she always takes her 1618 01:46:57,090 --> 01:47:00,750 her payment through Venmo. And of course she's now by cash, 1619 01:47:01,020 --> 01:47:05,160 like IKEA. They're gonna start to taxing everything that 1620 01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,340 checking the $600 limit, not that I don't think she was 1621 01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:14,460 futzing anything with her with not paying taxes or anything but 1622 01:47:14,460 --> 01:47:19,230 it's oh it's irksome. This $600 thing so you know what, let me 1623 01:47:19,230 --> 01:47:25,440 set you up. And so I set her up with breeze. I put I put 500,000 1624 01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:28,440 SATs on there I said this is your Christmas gift and all 1625 01:47:28,440 --> 01:47:32,490 gratuity I'll pay I'm going to pay for my hair cut through 1626 01:47:33,210 --> 01:47:37,470 through Venmo I have one phone here at home and the iPhone 1627 01:47:37,470 --> 01:47:39,840 seven that has I don't want Venmo on any of my devices 1628 01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:43,170 except that one which I don't use so I'll pay for the for the 1629 01:47:43,170 --> 01:47:47,370 haircut but all gratuity will go through and I showed her I 1630 01:47:47,370 --> 01:47:55,680 showed her what is it the bit refill? Bit refill? And she's 1631 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:59,880 like this is great. And then she's looking she said What's 1632 01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,760 this podcast thing is Oh, that's all the cool podcasts apps that 1633 01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,480 you can support with she's like this is interesting and she is 1634 01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:11,700 not a podcast listener not on apps she is a click play on the 1635 01:48:11,700 --> 01:48:12,240 website 1636 01:48:13,170 --> 01:48:17,670 so this may she may be a convert and bring you on boarded you 1637 01:48:17,970 --> 01:48:21,870 on boarded her breeze i did and it was a very I've had some bad 1638 01:48:21,870 --> 01:48:25,650 experiences onboarding to breeze in the past this was a very very 1639 01:48:25,650 --> 01:48:28,860 pleasant very pleasant experience and it worked right 1640 01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:31,080 did right there in the chair and 1641 01:48:31,410 --> 01:48:37,440 the the the the bad the bad part is that breeze no longer heats 1642 01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:38,550 up your phone so I 1643 01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:41,040 know it's no longer a foot warmer for me 1644 01:48:41,400 --> 01:48:44,490 right yeah it's bad time of year to switch onboard to switch to 1645 01:48:44,490 --> 01:48:45,330 hurry we really 1646 01:48:45,330 --> 01:48:50,610 I really do miss that heat and loss of battery power I miss 1647 01:48:51,299 --> 01:48:54,209 you too can convert lithium ions into into warm 1648 01:48:55,710 --> 01:48:58,260 needs Bitcoin miners when you've got breeze? 1649 01:48:58,650 --> 01:49:01,680 That's right, but not anymore. Not anymore. Cohen McCormick 1650 01:49:01,710 --> 01:49:05,910 2022 through fountain he says hey, I love you guys love These 1651 01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:09,450 meetings. Oh, I will be making the move to self hosting America 1652 01:49:09,450 --> 01:49:14,940 plus before Castillo's charges me again soon in 2023 will be me 1653 01:49:14,940 --> 01:49:18,000 building a node as well. The future is in the value rocket 1654 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:18,360 ship. 1655 01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:21,030 Yeah. Bruce 1656 01:49:21,660 --> 01:49:25,890 well see I don't know where you're gonna host Oh, Sal, oh, 1657 01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:31,650 self hosting sc sc 2222. No note from Mike Dell, or brother from 1658 01:49:31,650 --> 01:49:36,390 another mother at blueberry indeed. Oh, and he said he sent 1659 01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:40,440 us another 11234 SATs through pod verse and he says I 1660 01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:45,120 predicted that ads suck. I predict that as well. And Mike 1661 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:51,120 whoosh Yeah, we have the same prediction. So funny do is 1662 01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:58,230 interesting that way. SLC 12,498 SATs through fountain and he she 1663 01:49:58,230 --> 01:50:01,920 says Pupu Musk is helping them My relationship with MPC family 1664 01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,250 members, they're surprised that I don't trust him. And I explain 1665 01:50:05,250 --> 01:50:10,350 what WeChat is. Why are why are so many blind to this nonstarter 1666 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:15,030 because people are too too enamored with the distraction. 1667 01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:19,560 Oh look, the FBI was D platforming people no shit 1668 01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:25,800 Sherlock really can't believe it boost boost boost that special 1669 01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:30,480 announcement, no agenda, February one, it will be 1670 01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:36,330 accepting bitcoin for value for value and we should have it 1671 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:42,990 plugged into into value for value booster grams, et cetera. 1672 01:50:43,230 --> 01:50:47,550 And this will be great because everybody who wants to use this 1673 01:50:47,550 --> 01:50:52,290 system can can determine if they want it to be sent to a bank 1674 01:50:52,290 --> 01:50:58,140 account in US dollars, or Bitcoin or a combination you can 1675 01:50:58,140 --> 01:51:01,470 actually slide back and forth and we'll probably have one of 1676 01:51:01,470 --> 01:51:04,170 the ibex people on once that's all working to talk about 1677 01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:07,980 because I think it's a game changer for people who want to 1678 01:51:08,010 --> 01:51:12,870 get into into value for value with their podcast. And just to 1679 01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:15,780 get started have a plop right into your bank account. 1680 01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:19,860 Eric p p says key sindelle Feb one is that right? That's the 1681 01:51:19,860 --> 01:51:23,310 idea. Okay, two one on 2121 Everybody 1682 01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:26,580 Q one Q one is going to be great for no agenda. We just keep 1683 01:51:26,580 --> 01:51:30,030 saying that in the hope that someone will do something. q1 or 1684 01:51:30,030 --> 01:51:30,960 it's going to be great. 1685 01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,320 This is the power of positive thinking manifest your own your 1686 01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:39,660 own beauty. SLC again 12,498 Sastra fountain he says Damn, I 1687 01:51:39,660 --> 01:51:44,250 never knew I played the sax when I was younger, but have but have 1688 01:51:44,250 --> 01:51:47,910 put away creepy things though. Oh, that's our I think we're 1689 01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:55,620 ribbon on sex. Sex. All right. Let's see a boost grant from 1690 01:51:55,620 --> 01:52:00,960 Bhumi. To the podcast index website, how you doing? 10,000 1691 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,140 SATs? How much 210,000 1692 01:52:04,170 --> 01:52:10,770 Hello, come on. 20 is Blaze on am Paulo come on in Bhoomi 1693 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,050 when we bought our booming, big booming baller, 1694 01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:14,850 go podcasting 2.0 1695 01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,500 You gotta go podcast. 1696 01:52:18,810 --> 01:52:23,010 Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar marason is 2450 through fountain 1697 01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:28,470 new note. Thank you Oscar. thank you Steven crater 100,000 SATs 1698 01:52:29,010 --> 01:52:30,840 pod verse and he says Merry Christmas 1699 01:52:30,840 --> 01:52:33,630 Thank you very much. That's so nice. How you 1700 01:52:33,630 --> 01:52:38,970 doing bleak? Appreciate you Stephen a lot. setups. 1701 01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,270 You know what Steven did? He basically got 100,000 SATs from 1702 01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:46,770 the split. That Rebecca gave it right back to us. I mean, I love 1703 01:52:46,770 --> 01:52:48,660 you for that man as beautiful. Yeah, thank you. 1704 01:52:48,660 --> 01:52:51,600 But But keep some for yourself. Stephen didn't please buy 1705 01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:57,330 yourself some nice. See dubs 10101. Through podcast index 1706 01:52:57,330 --> 01:53:01,770 website, no note thank you see Dubs. 6969. From a citizen 1707 01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:05,970 through the pod first app, he says, you owe on part of the 1708 01:53:05,970 --> 01:53:10,500 show narcissism. That's not entirely true. 1709 01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:18,360 This isn't great. Oh, Dave, my brother, what will happen we 1710 01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:22,920 need to celebrate you and I. It's blood. It's public 1711 01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:30,030 information. So happen. We, as of right now. 1712 01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,080 Officially, we crossed the limit and crossed the threshold, 1713 01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:38,460 we crossed the threshold podcast index, which started out with a 1714 01:53:38,460 --> 01:53:43,230 $1,500 investment in whatever, I don't remember how many sets 1715 01:53:43,230 --> 01:53:48,540 that was at the time. We have now gotten to one Bitcoin. We 1716 01:53:48,570 --> 01:53:48,870 have a 1717 01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:51,360 full coin on the node 1718 01:53:51,420 --> 01:53:55,740 on the node a full coin on the node Bouverie says, 1719 01:53:55,830 --> 01:54:00,720 are you having a baby? Baby, 1720 01:54:00,990 --> 01:54:07,770 we had a baby. Were 100,000 18,212 Satoshis. 1721 01:54:08,429 --> 01:54:11,639 So we passed we crossed the one bitcoin threshold we cost 1722 01:54:12,030 --> 01:54:16,710 congratulations, Dave. We're not gonna we're not gonna see any of 1723 01:54:16,710 --> 01:54:20,130 that money. If we just leave it there. That's for liquidity 1724 01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:23,370 people. If you need liquidity, let us know. We're here to help. 1725 01:54:23,550 --> 01:54:27,030 It's also to pay for the node itself, which is $150 a month 1726 01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:30,270 pretty much that bill comes due in January, I think. Oh, that's 1727 01:54:30,270 --> 01:54:32,820 right. And we pay that in Bitcoin, don't we? Yeah. It's 1728 01:54:32,820 --> 01:54:33,150 like yeah, 1729 01:54:33,150 --> 01:54:35,190 we pay it cuz it's cheaper in Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. I 1730 01:54:35,190 --> 01:54:38,430 think if we pay, we pay in Bitcoin and works out to like, 1731 01:54:38,430 --> 01:54:42,120 1500 a year instead of, you know, whatever. It was, like 1732 01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:46,950 150 a month. I think it's a lot. It's like 1800 1733 01:54:47,130 --> 01:54:51,240 Well, to be honest, the amount of service we get, is pretty 1734 01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:55,530 much 24/7. I mean, you know, I can ping Graham and say, Dude, I 1735 01:54:55,530 --> 01:54:58,650 don't know what's going on. And he's always there. Always. 1736 01:54:59,519 --> 01:55:02,639 Yeah, I mean, when you're talking about giving birth to 1737 01:55:02,639 --> 01:55:05,759 Bitcoin babies like this is important stuff he's like he's 1738 01:55:05,759 --> 01:55:10,829 like the dot he's the on obstetrician, podcast index 1739 01:55:10,829 --> 01:55:11,579 obstetrician, 1740 01:55:11,610 --> 01:55:13,590 he's the midwife let's just be honest. 1741 01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:18,510 Podcast midwife, 1742 01:55:19,470 --> 01:55:23,100 Graham from now on you have a nickname my friend you are the 1743 01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:25,920 podcasting 2.0 midwife Nice. 1744 01:55:26,010 --> 01:55:27,930 Oh, what a great Christmas present. Thank 1745 01:55:27,930 --> 01:55:30,870 you all everybody this is really appreciate it because it's your 1746 01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:34,290 booths that have helped this project and, and I love that we 1747 01:55:34,290 --> 01:55:36,090 can just see where it all goes. There it is. 1748 01:55:36,900 --> 01:55:42,630 Yeah. Scott Scott is Cora scutts. Scott's Acorah? Yeah. 1749 01:55:42,630 --> 01:55:45,660 Scott's the chorus in his 50,000 says through fountain he says 1750 01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:47,970 thank you for a great year of all the new developments you 1751 01:55:47,970 --> 01:55:52,290 have made in podcasting. Thank you also, thank you for being my 1752 01:55:52,290 --> 01:55:54,930 absolute favorite over my head and I don't get any of it 1753 01:55:54,930 --> 01:55:59,730 podcasts. Your enthusiasm makes it all worth it. Yes. You don't 1754 01:55:59,730 --> 01:56:02,700 show up to understand it you just show up for the enthusiasm 1755 01:56:02,700 --> 01:56:03,330 Who the hell no. 1756 01:56:03,660 --> 01:56:05,190 Do you think I know what I'm talking about. 1757 01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:13,050 That 2023 brings you many great new ideas fruitful developments 1758 01:56:13,050 --> 01:56:15,450 in tremendously fun times enjoying that international 1759 01:56:15,450 --> 01:56:18,750 lifestyle. Scott from the talking beards podcast, which 1760 01:56:18,750 --> 01:56:21,960 anyone is allowed to follow and boost to their heart's desire go 1761 01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:23,520 podcasting go podcast, 1762 01:56:23,730 --> 01:56:25,920 podcast, boost 1763 01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:32,370 gene been since elite boost through pod verse he says I like 1764 01:56:32,370 --> 01:56:35,250 the idea of booster gram seeding activity post comment threads. 1765 01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,860 Yep. Yeah, we got even more now. 1766 01:56:38,580 --> 01:56:41,010 More More noster grams everything. 1767 01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:46,110 Yeah, exactly. Wilkinson sent us 33 333 Three cast thematic. 1768 01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,570 Thank you very much, man. Appreciate that. 1769 01:56:49,590 --> 01:56:53,490 Follow up with 3390s is emptying the vif resets for the year 1770 01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:54,180 thanks. 1771 01:56:59,250 --> 01:57:03,900 B glass sent us 2000 SATs through fountain no note. And 1772 01:57:03,900 --> 01:57:08,910 here's the here's the legendary often talked about but never 1773 01:57:08,910 --> 01:57:13,710 seen until now. aerostatic a 1.5 million said boost through 1774 01:57:13,710 --> 01:57:18,330 fountain and he says I've tried twice to boost 2 million sets 1775 01:57:18,330 --> 01:57:21,570 but I broke the system both times. So let's see where the 1776 01:57:21,570 --> 01:57:25,680 line is. I'm upping the ante. As always, thanks for all you do to 1777 01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,710 keep speech free. And thanks to Oscar and felted for making it 1778 01:57:28,710 --> 01:57:33,000 easy. Booster grands aren't being tracked by the FBI. Yet 1779 01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:37,890 bolo Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula 1780 01:57:42,150 --> 01:57:45,420 arrow statica Thank you brother. 1781 01:57:45,420 --> 01:57:48,720 I think he pushed us over the finish line to the one bitcoin 1782 01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,160 totally did totally 1783 01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,670 did. And we we might not I was wondering if what's going to 1784 01:57:53,670 --> 01:57:55,800 happen for Christmas or New Year's because I kind of been 1785 01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,910 watching and I think I think you're right. We wouldn't have 1786 01:57:59,910 --> 01:58:02,850 made it without without anybody if we wouldn't have done none of 1787 01:58:02,850 --> 01:58:07,110 this would be happening with any of our value participants in the 1788 01:58:07,110 --> 01:58:08,850 entire project, obviously. 1789 01:58:09,269 --> 01:58:12,359 Well, he he's like the it's not going to football team. The big 1790 01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:14,789 fat guy that gets behind you pushes the running back over the 1791 01:58:14,789 --> 01:58:24,539 touchdown like I like grits. trug grits. sinas are true 1792 01:58:24,539 --> 01:58:28,259 grits. True grits. That's it true grits 1000 says through 1793 01:58:28,259 --> 01:58:31,709 fountain. He says that A is 400 joke really hit home with me. 1794 01:58:32,939 --> 01:58:36,689 Oh, I'm glad you like he says I work for Costco. We still use 1795 01:58:36,689 --> 01:58:37,889 this. That garbage 1796 01:58:37,890 --> 01:58:44,310 system. Well. IBM as 400 division was my client. Really? 1797 01:58:44,340 --> 01:58:47,970 Yeah, we built a website for them. That could not run on the 1798 01:58:47,970 --> 01:58:48,810 NAOs 400. 1799 01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:55,710 My dad was an ace 400 programmer for his entire career. You can 1800 01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:59,820 still you can still have a career and as 400 programming. 1801 01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:03,930 Heck yeah, he programmed RPG. If anybody's ever heard of that 1802 01:59:03,930 --> 01:59:08,970 RPG, RPG, this is RPG 400 was the name of the programming 1803 01:59:08,970 --> 01:59:15,300 fantastic last nomadic coder since 1555. Through pod vs. Wow, 1804 01:59:15,330 --> 01:59:17,820 Dave, whenever I listen to podcasts, and people know I have 1805 01:59:17,820 --> 01:59:20,460 to review my philosophy notes when I study for my master's 1806 01:59:20,460 --> 01:59:24,060 degree. On the Masons. I don't know if you give me that much 1807 01:59:24,060 --> 01:59:27,120 credit. On the Mises Institute. I believe Lew Rockwell and 1808 01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,700 Murray Rothbard. formed it over the objection of the Koch 1809 01:59:29,700 --> 01:59:32,940 brothers after the Cato Institute off from San Francisco 1810 01:59:32,940 --> 01:59:38,580 to DC. Yes, that is that is the story. You are correct. Cato 1811 01:59:38,580 --> 01:59:44,490 Yeah. Franco Celerio. Our friend from Ito Italia sent his 10,000 1812 01:59:44,490 --> 01:59:46,830 SATs through cast ematic and he says count me in for the new 1813 01:59:46,830 --> 01:59:48,630 international Prosecco lifestyle. 1814 01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:55,260 I forgot about all these humor we had on the last episode. 1815 01:59:55,559 --> 01:59:59,399 We're going about that too, is how offensive is Prosecco to an 1816 01:59:59,399 --> 02:00:02,219 Italian is Just gotta be just the worst thing 1817 02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:05,310 for a French Frenchman probably worse than Yeah, 1818 02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:11,010 mere mortals podcast, boob donation 8008 nice mountain and 1819 02:00:11,010 --> 02:00:13,230 he says a huge thanks to everyone for all their amazing 1820 02:00:13,230 --> 02:00:16,890 work on P 2.0. Over this last year, has really changed my 1821 02:00:16,890 --> 02:00:19,290 approach to podcasting and given me an outlet to behave in a more 1822 02:00:19,290 --> 02:00:22,920 ethical manner has also inspired me to learn Python so I can 1823 02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:25,440 hopefully contribute more directly going forward. Go 1824 02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:26,130 podcasting? 1825 02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,170 Indeed, Brother Go podcast. 1826 02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:34,050 The podcast, Project inspired Kyron to be more ethical, 1827 02:00:34,530 --> 02:00:36,450 what kind of what kind of criminal was he? 1828 02:00:39,090 --> 02:00:42,420 I'm confused by this and also by the fact that we would inspire 1829 02:00:42,450 --> 02:00:45,540 anybody in a mall to be more moral than they normally are. I 1830 02:00:45,540 --> 02:00:47,760 just thought I thought we had the opposite approach seems 1831 02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:51,090 like a dichotomy. It just seems like that well explain boostin 1832 02:00:51,090 --> 02:00:52,380 explain a b&e 1833 02:00:53,010 --> 02:00:57,990 be the chat F 33 333 through pod version he says was beef 1834 02:00:57,990 --> 02:01:00,120 Milkshake Day stage name at Club 30 1835 02:01:02,700 --> 02:01:08,430 And now welcome to stage beef milkshake. He's got it laid is 1836 02:01:08,460 --> 02:01:12,210 everything you want in a beef you surprise 1837 02:01:12,270 --> 02:01:18,600 it's just be shake for the lady. Meet us send us 19826 through 1838 02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:22,260 curio caster, he says we would like to thank everyone in the PC 1839 02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:26,520 2.0 community for all you have done for us at Fun Fact Friday 1840 02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:30,030 with Leland David. Our final episode will be lit on Thursday 1841 02:01:30,030 --> 02:01:33,900 December 29 With invite everyone come to listen to the final 1842 02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:35,250 facts go podcasting. 1843 02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:38,700 Oh nice and thank you too for being a part of this as well. 1844 02:01:38,730 --> 02:01:42,930 Very, very fun to have you in the podcasting 2.0 Space 1845 02:01:43,110 --> 02:01:47,910 podcast. Family family is what we Man Yes, definitely. 1846 02:01:48,420 --> 02:01:51,840 Tone Ricker 100,000 SATs through breeze and he says Minnesota is 1847 02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,300 in a deep freeze but keeping warm boosting sets through 1848 02:01:54,300 --> 02:01:56,760 breeze Merry Christmas will be for free friends. 1849 02:01:57,090 --> 02:02:00,090 Yes that breeze app used to keep you warm because they're cool 1850 02:02:00,090 --> 02:02:00,570 Yes. 1851 02:02:00,990 --> 02:02:06,900 Now it leaves you out in the cold as a third oh here we go. 1852 02:02:07,140 --> 02:02:08,310 Wait wait wait did you already 1853 02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:11,430 read I did not I did not read the delimiter if that's what 1854 02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:11,580 your 1855 02:02:11,580 --> 02:02:14,940 as you read the pre boosting 101 A one from hard hat? 1856 02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:18,870 I don't think so. Okay, I just did 1857 02:02:19,140 --> 02:02:23,460 one a one on one from hard hat and he says pre boosting and 1858 02:02:23,460 --> 02:02:29,220 Macintosh sin as 1111 Row sticks to fountain and he says Merry 1859 02:02:29,220 --> 02:02:32,070 Christmas and Happy Holidays gentleman go podcasting. 1860 02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:34,140 Thank you very much Pope's. 1861 02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:44,640 30 3015 from comic strip blogger, the delimiter through 1862 02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:48,600 fountain and he says Dave and Adam. Could AI be the 1863 02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:53,010 counterfeit God, an overlord prompting doomsday Jesus to 1864 02:02:53,010 --> 02:02:56,580 bring an angel of mercy. Bringing the latest news about 1865 02:02:56,580 --> 02:02:59,940 the advancement of sentient algorithms is the podcast AI dot 1866 02:02:59,940 --> 02:03:06,510 cooking fire it up. Ready budget. Burn up read by Gregory 1867 02:03:06,510 --> 02:03:09,960 William Forsythe Foreman and angel of mercy never stoned and 1868 02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,840 drunk has been on the blessed Hell Ride in this river where 1869 02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:15,330 blood is thicker than water. Merry Christmas. Yo, 1870 02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:19,380 moose. You comics your boy what is hard fat saying those pre 1871 02:03:19,380 --> 02:03:22,620 boosts get missed now? I did almost every single pre boost. 1872 02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:29,370 Yeah, we don't miss a pre Mr. Pre boost. I'll say that. I 1873 02:03:29,370 --> 02:03:32,160 mean, no, I don't think so. I think we're pretty good with 1874 02:03:32,190 --> 02:03:36,540 unless it was days ago. You know? I'm sorry. I probably did 1875 02:03:36,540 --> 02:03:41,040 miss it. Because if it came in three this morning when I reset 1876 02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,500 my node that I that I missed it. So that is 1877 02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:47,430 that is true. That is true. Well, I wow. I picked it up. 1878 02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:49,830 We have any monthly back here though. Yes. 1879 02:03:51,750 --> 02:03:56,820 We got. Let's see here. Pod news. $50. Thank 1880 02:03:56,820 --> 02:03:58,530 you. Thank you. Thank you, James. 1881 02:04:00,570 --> 02:04:06,900 Shaw McCune $20 Paul Erskine $11.14, David would find $3 1882 02:04:06,900 --> 02:04:11,850 Michael Goggin $5 Charles current $5 kin glotzbach $5 1883 02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:16,140 James Sullivan $10 shown the way we already rich John Christopher 1884 02:04:16,140 --> 02:04:19,680 Remer $10 and Jordan Dunnville $10. 1885 02:04:19,830 --> 02:04:24,150 God, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all so much. This 1886 02:04:24,150 --> 02:04:27,570 is value for value. It's a very, very simple system. All you have 1887 02:04:27,570 --> 02:04:30,990 to do is determine if you got any value out of this podcast. I 1888 02:04:30,990 --> 02:04:34,080 thought of the project if you'd like it, it could have been for 1889 02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,240 a project you're working on it could have just been for pure 1890 02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:40,500 entertainment. Maybe you got an idea maybe just felt good. Maybe 1891 02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:45,780 a laugh maybe you haven't as 400 and felt loved you you can 1892 02:04:45,780 --> 02:04:48,810 return that value whatever you want time talent treasure, we 1893 02:04:48,810 --> 02:04:51,960 love the treasure it is important. You can also send us 1894 02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:55,140 unchained Bitcoin, which no one does, but we do have that on 1895 02:04:55,230 --> 02:04:58,830 podcast index.org If you have a coin laying around, you know 1896 02:04:59,610 --> 02:05:06,030 that's He tally tally coin. And that's all a podcast index.org 1897 02:05:06,030 --> 02:05:09,210 Also for the Fiat fun coupons, you can do that through Pay Pal 1898 02:05:09,210 --> 02:05:12,720 but we really want and really enjoy is when you use a modern 1899 02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:16,650 podcast app, new podcast apps.com There's quite a number 1900 02:05:16,650 --> 02:05:19,410 of them that you can use with more coming online every single 1901 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:23,010 day. I believe we'll also be able to use the the boosting and 1902 02:05:23,010 --> 02:05:25,800 booster grams from the Roku interface. And that'll be 1903 02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:29,520 interesting to see how that works. And for that, go to new 1904 02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,390 podcast apps.com. And thank you all so much for another great 1905 02:05:33,390 --> 02:05:38,430 year. This is our now we're well into year. Two, right? We have 1906 02:05:38,430 --> 02:05:41,130 two and a half years. I think that we're doing this now. My 1907 02:05:41,130 --> 02:05:44,040 saying that row. Yeah, well, let me see. When 1908 02:05:44,040 --> 02:05:48,660 did we first started in August of 2020? Yeah, yeah. The 1909 02:05:48,660 --> 02:05:52,230 first show was August 28th. 1910 02:05:53,490 --> 02:05:56,430 Yeah. Okay. So we're a little shove a 1911 02:05:56,460 --> 02:05:58,560 little shy of two years and a half years, two and a half 1912 02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:03,630 years. Yeah. Well, it's the best project I've ever worked on. 1913 02:06:03,660 --> 02:06:06,990 I've have not had as much fun doing this. And that includes 1914 02:06:07,260 --> 02:06:13,980 everything I've done. This outstrips MTV by Miles was can 1915 02:06:13,980 --> 02:06:17,790 you say what other project can you say that you actually birth 1916 02:06:17,790 --> 02:06:19,020 a Bitcoin baby? 1917 02:06:19,410 --> 02:06:25,590 None of birth shitty websites in my career. But never a Bitcoin 1918 02:06:25,590 --> 02:06:29,520 Baby, baby. So thank you all very much podcast index.org And 1919 02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:33,240 of course if you'd like to join in the fun and join him the work 1920 02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:35,400 that we do on the development you're more than welcome to go 1921 02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:38,970 to podcasts. index.org and we'll hook you up with an invite come 1922 02:06:38,970 --> 02:06:42,840 on in not if you just want to you know, just have a podcast. 1923 02:06:43,650 --> 02:06:46,050 But if you really want to help with the development and you can 1924 02:06:46,050 --> 02:06:49,650 read what's going on in podcasts index, dot social distancing, 1925 02:06:49,680 --> 02:06:52,680 get a flavor for it. Or if you have your own Mastodon account, 1926 02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:56,490 you can follow Adam at podcast index on social or Dave podcast 1927 02:06:56,490 --> 02:07:01,530 index dot social. Thank you all so much. And I think we ran a 1928 02:07:01,530 --> 02:07:02,820 little long do you 1929 02:07:03,090 --> 02:07:08,430 okay, we were in law. No, no, we're good. I'm off today. Oh, 1930 02:07:08,430 --> 02:07:11,700 nice. Today, we're going to the in laws house here in a couple 1931 02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:15,330 hours. Yeah. Is that you got family, you got Christine 1932 02:07:15,330 --> 02:07:15,720 industry. 1933 02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:19,890 Everybody bailed? No, everyone hates us know that now the kids 1934 02:07:19,890 --> 02:07:23,610 are doing their own thing. Of course, Christina's boyfriend 1935 02:07:23,610 --> 02:07:28,110 slashed fiance still cannot enter the United States. As if 1936 02:07:28,110 --> 02:07:32,040 you are a non resident alien or a non citizen, you have to have 1937 02:07:32,070 --> 02:07:36,180 boosters and everything up to date. And seeing as he started 1938 02:07:36,180 --> 02:07:40,050 to get heart issues after the first vaccine, he decided to 1939 02:07:40,050 --> 02:07:40,560 stop 1940 02:07:41,820 --> 02:07:45,420 work when you're required to have boosters. But there's, 1941 02:07:45,690 --> 02:07:50,070 there's European countries that don't like Denmark that have 1942 02:07:50,070 --> 02:07:54,450 stopped allowing boosters for men under a certain age. 1943 02:07:54,509 --> 02:07:57,989 It's a whole the whole thing is horseshit. And they make the 1944 02:07:58,019 --> 02:08:02,519 airlines check. So the airlines just need to see some piece of 1945 02:08:02,519 --> 02:08:04,949 paper they can say your whatever that's good here you're good to 1946 02:08:04,949 --> 02:08:08,219 go to each wave it and easily wave in their face pretty much. 1947 02:08:08,219 --> 02:08:11,549 Yeah, pretty much. And I think but that's supposed to end 1948 02:08:11,549 --> 02:08:14,699 January. We're the only country in the world that still have 1949 02:08:14,729 --> 02:08:17,909 really Yep. And I was talking to the primerica guys finally did 1950 02:08:17,909 --> 02:08:18,809 their podcast, 1951 02:08:19,170 --> 02:08:22,470 by the way, where's the they're not like they're not lit. I 1952 02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:23,700 tried to find it. And now that 1953 02:08:23,850 --> 02:08:27,270 I know, I know. It's a travesty that we'll get we'll get them on 1954 02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:29,430 board now they do value for value, but we'll get them on 1955 02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:32,130 board with with the lit stuff. But they were like hey, you guys 1956 02:08:32,130 --> 02:08:35,460 should come down to Texas. Well, if you change change your 1957 02:08:35,550 --> 02:08:38,760 horrible border laws I'm like, Oh, that's right. You guys can't 1958 02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:42,720 can't come in because you Canadians. It's ridiculous. And 1959 02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:46,110 I think it has something to do with the title 42 thing and the 1960 02:08:46,110 --> 02:08:48,750 whole thing it's America you know what Why would you come 1961 02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:53,730 Don't hit stones just stay home. We suck right now. We got to 1962 02:08:53,730 --> 02:08:56,460 clean some stuff up here. Then we'll send out an invite when 1963 02:08:56,460 --> 02:08:57,330 we're ready for y'all 1964 02:08:57,540 --> 02:08:59,880 need advice? or CPE and evite 1965 02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:06,390 right. So you're with the in laws for for Christmas already. 1966 02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:07,830 This is just for today. You going up? 1967 02:09:08,070 --> 02:09:10,020 Yeah, we're just going to eat dinner up there. It's about they 1968 02:09:10,020 --> 02:09:13,140 live about an hour away at north of us and then we'll go to my my 1969 02:09:13,140 --> 02:09:16,260 folks tomorrow and then have Christmas Day here with with our 1970 02:09:16,380 --> 02:09:17,430 with our kids. Yeah. 1971 02:09:17,460 --> 02:09:20,970 Now we're tonight we have pastor Jimmy and Damon net. We're going 1972 02:09:20,970 --> 02:09:23,370 to have dinner with them. And Pastor Jimmy is going to do a 1973 02:09:23,370 --> 02:09:28,710 value for value podcast. Oh, Izzy? Yep, yeah. Oh, cool. Oh, 1974 02:09:28,710 --> 02:09:33,720 nice. Yeah. He's very excited about it. That's fun. I have the 1975 02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:36,810 pod father producing so I'll get you set up man. He's a musician. 1976 02:09:36,810 --> 02:09:39,210 He has all the he has. He knows how to do it. He knows how to 1977 02:09:39,450 --> 02:09:43,440 just I just need to put all the pieces together for him. And 1978 02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:48,510 then see tomorrow and then I'm working Sunday. No agenda goes 1979 02:09:48,510 --> 02:09:50,700 on as scheduled. We work on holidays 1980 02:09:51,030 --> 02:09:52,230 on Christmas. 1981 02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:56,670 And New Year's Day. Yeah. Yeah. What's a great opportunity 1982 02:09:56,670 --> 02:10:01,350 because all mainstream has gone you know All reruns and crap. 1983 02:10:01,830 --> 02:10:03,180 And that podcast 1984 02:10:03,180 --> 02:10:06,600 and the podcast episode publishing rate is down almost 1985 02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:10,050 10% This week, like on your buddies publishing podcast, this 1986 02:10:10,050 --> 02:10:11,790 is a great time to launch this is 1987 02:10:13,290 --> 02:10:14,670 get to stage two yourself. 1988 02:10:14,700 --> 02:10:17,280 This is a great time to launch your podcast people I'm just 1989 02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:21,120 saying, Dave, have a very, very merry Christmas. You too, 1990 02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:24,810 brother. Love and peace and happiness to the to you in the 1991 02:10:24,810 --> 02:10:29,520 family. And we'll be we'll be working just before the New Year 1992 02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:32,040 and that'll be the next the next board meeting and we'll have 1993 02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:33,360 curriculum with us. So that'll be fun. 1994 02:10:33,930 --> 02:10:36,750 Yep, that'd be good. That'll be able to get you. Peace and Love 1995 02:10:36,750 --> 02:10:38,760 to your family to and to all a good night. Yes. 1996 02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:42,210 Good night, everybody. Thanks for attending the board meeting. 1997 02:10:42,210 --> 02:10:45,570 We highly appreciate it. And remember, we're podcasting. 1998 02:10:45,570 --> 02:10:48,750 next.org And we'll see you next week for the final board meeting 1999 02:10:48,750 --> 02:10:49,320 of the year. 2000 02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:07,920 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts 2001 02:11:07,950 --> 02:11:11,280 index.org For more information because they're cool. 2002 02:11:12,960 --> 02:11:15,870 That's not entirely true. moost