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Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December
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splits. Board members Hello,
assessors. Hello, witnesses up

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dot social. It's on the
fediverse I'm Adam curry here in

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the heart of Texas Hill Country
and an Alabama. Here's the pings

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to every woman's You can't lie
to me like that. He's the pod to

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every woman's paying say hello
to my friends come together. And

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ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave
Jones.

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Still can't help it. What
happened?

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I stepped out for one moment and
mayhem mayhem mayhem, I tell

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you,

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the chat room go that goaded me
that goaded me into. That was

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no. So that you have to
understand that arrangement of

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my house. Where our podcast from
the room that I podcast in is,

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is directly across the hall,
this little short hallway from

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the bathroom where I go to the
little podcasters room for the

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show. Okay, so I am like, okay,
Adams going I'm done with my

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tweeting and tooten I'm gonna go
over here to the to the to the

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bathroom. Oh, in NP before the
show.

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And you had the door open and
the mic on?

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Oh, yeah. I mean I didn't know
both doors were closed but we

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have very thin walls in the nose
like I get back I get back and

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blueberries like lol in any says
the stream is strong with this.

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So I'm just like, given every
tweet out here less shows love

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and then everybody tunes I didn
t stream I think we

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have just received some audio.

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This is a live stream in every
sense of the word.

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So Oh, goodness. Okay. Early.
Yeah,

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you get the full string. Well,

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for those who are using one of
those handy dandy podcasting 2.0

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apps with notifications, which
is one pod verse, pod verse will

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notify you that we're live and
you can we do some reliably

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informed Good. Well, of course,
PR curio caster has all the

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features, but doesn't have the
alert system at being web based.

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And there's another one coming
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Yeah, fountain city is going to
do it.

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Oh, I did not yet. I'm sure he
wants to do it to know how far

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they were those everyone's
working on stuff, man. There's a

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lot of work to do an app.

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You get. You gotta you gotta go
heads down and and get some in

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start right and write some code.
It's not easy. Not easy at

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all. And let me tell you, so let
me tell you something. So Tina

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and Tina switch to fountain.
Some time ago. She was number

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she was a big pod friend user.
She liked pod friend a lot that

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she liked the whole experience.
So she moved to another she's my

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canary in the coalmine. Mine is
looking at what what she's

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doing. And I think the most
recent release came out and I

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said, Oh, hey, you know, there's
a update, just make sure that

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fountain is updated so that you
get that and she says, yeah,

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they sure needed. That was about
time. I'm like what? Oh, hater.

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What you know, here's what I've
noticed. Typically, I think it's

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by default that, you know, that
fountain will stream the

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podcast. I don't think it
downloads at first, I'm not

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quite sure what the cache is on
that. But for sure, there are

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spots in the house where and
actually when she's driving,

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she's driving from
Fredericksburg to Austin,

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there's going to be a spot
somewhere where you just kind of

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lose your your cell phone
connection. It's you know, it's

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this hill country, Texas. So
there's a couple of spots where

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it may drop out. Immediately
fountain sucks. So

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what So is the I heard Marco in
a recent podcast saying that if

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he could do anything over again,
when it comes to writing

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overcast, he would eliminate
streaming and just do download

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only? And 100% agree with that.

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I'm 100%

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I totally agree with that. I
mean, because he like the the

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building I work in. Every time I
go into the elevators, the

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elevator or a stair with the
stairway shaft that cinderblock.

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I lose, I lose connection. So
like I hate it. I mean, it's

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like it drives me nuts. The
whole promise of podcasting was

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that you get the full delivery
ahead of time, so that you don't

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have to worry about well

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let now let's be honest about
it, because the only thing that

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really changes that is the
notification system. So if Marco

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decides tomorrow, like, Okay,
why don't I just not notify

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anybody until it's automatically
downloaded onto your device?

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Problem solved. I mean that that
is the true way to solve it. And

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I think that should be an
endless that's the, as you write

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the original blog post was the
original. The original concept

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is have it ready for me? When
I'm ready. And let it come to

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me. There should just be it's
very simple, just an old school

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toggle mode. It's like, Hey, you
want to you want to this old

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school and the way it was
intended. And they will just

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notify the people after it's
downloaded. And it's an auto

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download situation. That's all I
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implement.

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I don't know why. People, some
people seem to be just a real,

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real download haters, they just
really want they think the whole

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thing should be streamed. This

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is OCD people. And I will say
that Tina is probably one of

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those if she knew about it, if
you said hey, by the way, all

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these episodes that are
unlisted, too. They're actually

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sitting there on your drive in
your memory not being used.

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She's Dave, Dave, my wife
deletes text messages.

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Probably I don't know, she's one
of those.

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Hey, hey, don't be a hater.
There's a lot of she's like

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those. It's I think it's a woman
thing, too.

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It's cross gender. Gender. Like
you go, there's so many things,

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these are the same. I'm going to
predict I don't know this for

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sure, I'm going to predict that
Tina also flicks her apps to

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kill them out of memory. Oh,
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But it's not five min. But it's
not to get it's not to get them

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out of memory. It's just to
clean things up. For real, she

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also will delete photos off her
phone. And yeah, I rarely don't

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need this don't need this one.
This is why and what she keeps

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is very necessary. But you know,
know, your customer, people know

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your customer here. Yeah, I
think there's a lot of a lot of

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assumptions being made, which
makes an ass out of you and me a

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lot of assumptions about how
people use this stuff. And as we

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know from the data that female
listeners women, I think is what

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the term is used. A lot of them
listen on just a website with a

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web player. So know your
customers here.

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Female listeners also known as
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You gotta you gotta hate
whatever the data was. You want

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to have it correct. I don't
think it was the same women and

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female listeners apparently not
the same in the data anymore. So

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just saying.

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So let me know. Like, I haven't.
We haven't even done an episode

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in like three weeks. So what how
great. I need a girl report.

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How's the grill

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the grill? The grill is doing
fine. So it was kind of severe,

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the whole thing was a five and a
half hour operation, or

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procedure, I should say. was
interesting that they use

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fentanyl on me which didn't work
all that well, because I kept

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waking up. And they kept saying
and we have enough immunity to

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kill an elephant to kiss ChatOps
go to sleep.

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They didn't use the Mexican
fentanyl. They use the mill.

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He's the bargain basement. So

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are you Irish? I said no, I'm
not Irish, red, red hair, red

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hair and the family. No, no,
yeah. Because you know, gingers

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have no souls and no. Others and
typically, you know, that's a

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that's a genetics that people
need two to three times the

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amount of sedation. And then we
just all chalked it up to my

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education in Amsterdam, you
know, I might have some high

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tolerance for some reason.
You're hitching. Brene Brown

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bringing the lowlands in
general, it feels like I was hit

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by a bus and real slow motion.
So you know, the impact is

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there. I don't really know
what's happening. Then three

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days later, your whole face
swells up. Now it's gone down, I

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can actually start to eat some
solid food and very small bites.

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And now I'm feeling the soreness
of where they put these

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temporary three millimeter
screws to help my bone grow

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before they go with a full.
That's titanium. It's very cool

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technology. Right? Yeah,

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that's the same thing that same
thing grants gotten his leg got

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to touch.

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Exactly. And they enter they
take some of your Bloods and pig

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blood and some other crushed up
bones or something from some

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witch doctor in New Orleans as a
witch's brew. And then they

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paste that all over and actually
that's a plate on my on my bone.

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And then this will grow. That's
where the two screws are. Then

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the bone will grow around that
plate. And then in a couple of

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months, they can drill some
titanium posts in there and put

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my real teeth in. In the
meantime, be I spent a lot of

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time effort and funds to create
a temporary set. That sounds

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good.

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Oh yeah. You sound zero
different. You sound no

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different at all. Just like you
always did

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yesterday, the tarp flipped out
at the end of no agenda. I mean,

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literally, it landed on the on
the podcast decimal point.

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And no, no, yes.

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I finished it without the tarp
and there was a little

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difference.

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It's like those little chatter
teeth, toys for teeth.

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But what they are, is they you
know, the use of vampire teeth

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you buy for Halloween, you slip
them over your own, it's exactly

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like that. Except they're only
slipped over the two canines,

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upper and lower because there's
nothing more in the middle. I

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know less

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Billy Bob. You know, the front
teeth. Exactly.

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Ladies, I know. It's a visual
that just gets you all hot and

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bothered. I know. But, you know,
they're basically 3d printed.

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And so I got it. Ah, because
it's one piece. I'll have to

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ask. I'll have to ask my guy. I
should know but it you know,

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it's all compute. It doesn't
right there in the office. And

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so I'm thinking now now that
this fits, because you know, get

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it it's very precise. I made it
fit right away. And of course,

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you do have to put a little bit
of Geriatric paste on it to keep

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it in, which lasts 24 hours,
hence the don't go long on the

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podcast, they might pop out. In
fact, I got about two and a half

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hours before I'm do

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what you asked me how long we
wanted to give. Yes, exactly.

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I want to know, do I have to
reapply before the show?

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We're at the 15 minute mark, I
gotta get my colleague or

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whatever.

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It's exactly what it is. It's,
it's so it's so harsh. It is

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Polly dent. Literally. I'm
thinking maybe I can get an

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endorsement deal from him.
Anyway, I totally can. Yeah, so

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I want to see can I can I get a
QR code version with a QR code?

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You know, 3d printed? Can I get
one with literally would like

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some some gold grill? I mean,
there's you interchange them,

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you know, it's gonna be a couple
of months. And they were How

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about just real fangs, like,
real

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code. Imagine this QR code is
the missing, you know, like, the

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black and the white blobs of the
QR code are just missing teeth.

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Like, you

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know, I was thinking because
when you know, these, these

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teeth look amazing. People had
no idea these were temporaries

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like, they're like really, if
you look really close, you see

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that they're not actually
separated. But if you

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sent me a picture and they
looked really real true. Yeah.

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Because a lot of times what you
see with do with the like

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partials and temporaries and
stuff are is that they make they

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sit unnaturally some people's
lips like kind of pushed by poof

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out. But it didn't look like
like these look totally normal.

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If I should they're well aligned
so I can put them together and

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that could and then all the
whole teeth could have a full QR

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code in four quadrants.

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With with error correction.

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Speaking of as we move into some
more important stuff other than

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my face, I had the presentation
meeting with Ibex today I BX

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these are the these are the kids
who are doing the Satoshi

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receiving Satoshi lightning and
sending it to the company in

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Fiat for no agenda.

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So give me give me the guy is
Can you reveal the report with

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the minutes public for this?

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I actually I tweet Yes, I can.
Actually a tweet tweeted, I

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tweeted a QR code and and it
works right now you can it's

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basically an ln URL.

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And where did you Where did you
turn you turn it on?

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I did a I did a Yeah, I did a
reboot on podcast index or boost

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I should say. So yeah, anyway,
it works because people are

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sending it to me and you can
even have a link that creates a

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link or QR code that has a
predetermined amount so you know

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exactly the kind of stuff
hopefully I'm gonna give this to

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Devorah because that's the same
way he uses PayPal when he does

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a link for the newsletter or
something like that. And then

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people will be able to donate
with lightning and for tax

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purposes because we know there's
issues and reasons while we

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don't want to have Bitcoin
hitting a no agenda account it

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is settled in in Fiat in the
currency of your choosing right

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into the bank account through
what is it the overnight

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automatic ACH what does

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that yeah the yeah the wire
transfer. Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, that's what it's called.
It's called something else.

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What's so what is what is this
QR code? What am I what am I

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seeing here this Ellen URL but
for how what you can use to hit

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it with strike and it doesn't do
anything?

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No, it may not work with strike
or cash app. It's uh, you need

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you need breeze or What else? Do
we have? Blue wallet or wild of

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Satoshi? Okay, I'll

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let them breathe. And I'll try.
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will do it. So it's basically
just an open send send money.

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Yeah. So it's an open donation.
And what's cool about it is you

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put in, I mean, it's, it's
nothing, it's nothing special,

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the special part is on the back
end that you can determine it

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100% Or a sliding scale of how
much you want paid out and Fiat.

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And that's, that's the thing.
That's, that's good here,

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because this is what a lot of
people want. And it's much

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easier for your accounting you
have, you have a little

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spreadsheet export, which is
perfect, just like heli pad. And

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it's only 1% fee. I think that
they're charging.

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Yeah, that totally went through
with breeze. 1000 1000 SATs.

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Yeah, awesome.

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Yeah. So so the next step is to
make it case and enabled. So

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that's what they're working on
now. So then then we can use it

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as in the value block and talk
about it in the value block on

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our agenda. Hello, hello, this
is why I'm doing it for

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this. So beautiful. I love it.

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And the third, which will take a
little bit more thought and

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discussion. And of course, the
elusive Bolt 12 would help but

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no will when hell freezes over
is some kind of subscription

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type mechanism. And with that, I
mean recurring payment, not

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subscription. And I there's,
this has become a thing that is,

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is floating around about having
recurring payments done by a

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service. Right, I'm hearing
different versions of it, and I

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think is becoming really, really
confusing.

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So that's, uh, you want to delve
into that.

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But I'd love to hear your your
what you're thinking about it,

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because you know what I'm
talking about. Right? It's like,

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yeah, absolutely. Why do you I
mean, I do this. So I mean, I'm

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I would be hypocritical if I
said that, that, you know,

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sending automated payments is,
is BS. I mean, like I cron job

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payments to, to shows that I
listened to. And the odd reason

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about the reason I do it,

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can I ask you a question before
you continue? Yes. Do you use

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all of the splits in the value
block when you do that? I do

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not. Okay, so this is my
problem. This is, that's where I

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have a problem.

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Yeah, I do not, I do not do that
I quickly hacked it together.

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And it's been on my radar to go
back and do it that way to like

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to modify it to where I'm doing
it the right way. But when there

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and the correct way, right way
is to do it with a you query the

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value block as it currently
stands, and then, and then send

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just like a normal pay of value
for value, lightning payment to

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all to all splits all receivers,
Bob. And so I hacked this

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together because I went through
a period. And this happens to me

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so often, every so often, where
it gets so busy, that I can't, I

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just don't have time to listen
to two shows. And so I went you

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know, three weeks without
listening to the intergalactic

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boombox. And then I was like,
you know, I've got to, I gotta

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make, I want to make sure that
I'm at least supporting these

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shows that I love, because I
don't want my lack of luck, what

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I want is for when I return to
that show, for it to still be

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there. And that means you got to
support

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this is not this is a very good
point. And that was the point

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that the devil's advocate raised
on on the pod news weekly, is

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that people definitely want to
make sure that you have ongoing

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revenue, even if you the
listeners tuned out and I think

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it's fantastic. I think that's
really the only thing I would

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want is a it has to be open,
voluntary from the sender side

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and it has to respect the value
block. Otherwise, you know,

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that's I mean, that those are
the things and that's I think

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it's a great idea.

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Yeah, that's exactly what it's
for on my side. I'm just doing

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it the wrong way.

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Yes, shame on you.

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I know. And I feel ashamed, I
feel a bit deep but I

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did I had my own discovery
because on the Umbral now they

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have something called the oak
oak node

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and I think I may have installed
you're gonna saw that

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I mean, it's it's really it's
very, very cool. And it uses

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something called Bikram so
instead of using a clock, it

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uses the the kind of block clock
of Bitcoin, the estimated every

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10 minutes being being a block
and you can sketch It has little

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handy calculator. So you don't
have to think how many blocks it

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will be to do a daily or a
weekly or a monthly recurring

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payment. And actually tried it
out I sent. I think I sent like,

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was it 10,000 or 24,000 SATs so
1000 SATs an hour to James

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Cridland, which he never
acknowledged by the way. I'm

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looking at and I'm looking
because yeah, you can schedule

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that. And interestingly, one
payment failed. I see one

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payment failed,

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I think, easily a thing that
could be done by a fountain or

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Alby just hanging out, and I
wouldn't be able to know and I

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would gladly pay them a 1% fee
on top of this to facilitate and

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automate

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right on, I think that's the way
it should be. And then as long

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as we're respecting the value
block, which would be a guest

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retrieved through the GUID or if
it's not if it's not in a

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podcast app, but if it's in an
app already, then you already

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know what podcast it is. I would
support that, too. I think it's

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a great idea. But I just want to
make sure that people don't get

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ahead of themselves, because
it's already go and we're going

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to integrate this and that's it
but not seven, SM se like it has

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to be like you have to sign a
document that they can take it

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from you. I'm like, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, there's not

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going to work this the wrong way
around.

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We don't know contracts. That's
no, no. So I would say breeze

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could do this too. In its future
incarnation. I don't think they

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could do it now. But like when
they on their next generation of

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service? They could do this too.
I would think absolutely. Yeah.

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You know, as you'll have like an
always on

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now there are people are going
to developers have to start

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thinking about stuff. Because
you know, it's real easy to

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drain a wallet if you if you
mess something up, you know, so

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the UX and, and taking all
stupid use cases into account I

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think is important.

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Sup Yo sup? In the chat room, he
says maybe setting a monthly set

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donation limit, like a million
set. So I don't I just see what

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he's saying. And I think that's
also another possibility. Of

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course, you can say like, there
could be like, so we've talked

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about just pure V for V at the
moment, you send a vault, you

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send a manual payment each time.
And then we've talked about

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like, setting a per minute
amount, and then it goes up to a

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certain limits and stops. Well,
the the the sort of third

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variation of that, is that you
say, Okay, I want to send, let's

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just say 50, set a maximum of
75,000, or 100,000 SATs for this

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particular show that you like a
lot each month. And at the end

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of the month, if it's not, if
you haven't sent it all, it just

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sends it sends the rest of it.
Yeah, that's another that's a

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third option.

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I mean, it's, it's, it's clearly
a podcast app feature, a wallet

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feature. It could be it could be
a service, which would be some

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kind of custodial thing. I mean,
there's a lot of different ways

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to do it. I really liked the oak
node. And I just haven't gotten

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around to but I made a note to
myself to reach out to the oak

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node folks and say, Hey, exact
same thing. Only I want to get

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it, you know, just hook it up to
this API. And I want to be able

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to select the podcast, select
the do all the rest of the

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stuff, and then just in and just
let it go from my from my

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current wallet or whatever it
is.

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Good speaker. Speaking of splits
for a minute, can we throw I

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would like to put in Alex gates
for 5% For this episode and

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Steven crater for 5% you down
with them?

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Of course, because

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Alex helped me it's so much dig
with the pod pain dot cloud

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stuff he I want to give him some

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documentation again, of course,
right? Stephen is

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like the he's like the left
hemisphere of my brain. Like he

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just does things before I even
know that I want that I need to

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do them. He'll come up and just
like eMERGE some pull requests

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and like, Oh, crap, thanks.

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I didn't do we have lightning
addresses for these gents? Yeah,

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I'll get them for

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you. Okay, yeah. But that's I
just didn't want to forget that.

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But that's, I think that's I
think all of those things are on

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the table. All those variations
of V for V isn't the V 50. It's

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a part of the spirit of values
values that it's well it's

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voluntary and overspent yes and
open Yeah, exactly. So So

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monthly if I choose to send you
monthly a specific amount Well,

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I miss my choice and that's just
as fun as doing it any other

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way.

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You know Roi. Roi of breeze he
he tweeted, let me see what he

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tweeted here. He tweeted about
the millions Yeah, status screen

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from from his breeze account. He
says hashtag V For V works, I've

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boosted over 1 million SATs to
podcasts index.org show this

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year, which is more than any
subscription I have. And it's

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true. It's about the it's about
the open net. It's like, Ah,

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it's the open nature of it. It's
the open nature of the you will

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have people who give 10,000
times more than then then 90% of

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the other. But it starts to
equal out stick with it people.

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I listed new media show live the
other day. Yeah,

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I missed them. They were they
just gone off air. And I'm like,

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oh, man, I missed him. Yeah.

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Boosted him because I was like,

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finally, finally it

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worked. Yeah. It was like, Yay,
there's just this this sort of

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like sense of euphoria. And I
wanted to be part of the show.

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Yes, exactly.

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That's so true. So true.

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But the cloud working good. By
the way, the new version rolled

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out. Well, yes, sir. That was
five in the pipe.

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That was actually first on my
top of my list is pod pink 2.0.

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You've been heads down with Alex
Of course. And and Stephen

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crater on the on the
transcriber. Dude, tell us

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what's going on what's happening
seems like everything is

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working, what has changed? Do we
need to know or just it says

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what it does was says on the
tin.

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Some of that, I mean, like some
of the stuff at the internals is

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interesting. So the, the, it was
a long way to go on the back

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end, just to get a little bit,
just just to get something small

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on the front end, like in so
like, what we needed was the

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ability to send pod ping dot
cloud. And let me let me briefly

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review me, let me go by please.
And pod. So pod paying you, you

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send your ELS to it. And then
people can watch the pod ping

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system and, and see those URLs
within a few seconds after you

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send that and do whatever they
want. Right. And so there's

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right now there's one backend
writer and that's for the hive

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blockchain. So we what we need
it that's a complex thing to do,

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no matter what Brian says, that
is a hard thing to do.

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What is yeah,

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what is the hard thing to do the
high the high, getting set up

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with hive, posting keys and
setting up the, the script to

439
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:31,740
the hive writer. And I was like,
that's, that's not for the it's

440
00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:34,230
not something that you just jump
into without knowing know,

441
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:38,070
which, which is why we had a
basic endpoint, right that

442
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:38,820
people could hit.

443
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,750
Yeah, so we started, that's what
poppin dot cloud was meant to

444
00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:46,740
alleviate all the pain of
onboarding. So we do all that on

445
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:50,520
the back end, as sort of a
master host. I mean, you can

446
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,970
either run your own Mastodon or
you can fire up a $10 month

447
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:57,360
master dose. So that's what
we're doing, we're doing the pot

448
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:02,100
where so poppin dot cloud is the
front end to the to the

449
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:05,010
complexity of the back end of
what popping really is on the

450
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,070
public on blockchains. And
whatever else we do in the

451
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:11,580
future, which should be a
gossip. So I've been other IPFS

452
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:16,080
things. So that that's what
popping cloud is. So a read of

453
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,940
the original incarnation of it
was you send, you just send the

454
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:23,850
feed URL, all you're doing is
you're letting the in the world

455
00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:24,270
know

456
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,170
that data, right. And now we
have reason codes, I think

457
00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:31,500
origin there's a new format that
that comes along with this 2.0.

458
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:34,710
So we have two extra URL
parameters and pod bean dot

459
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:39,150
cloud. So you sit you still send
your URL equals the feed URL.

460
00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:44,910
Now you can also send two extra
parameters with that. Reason

461
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:47,670
equals and then a reason code.
And those reason codes are

462
00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:52,950
either live update, or live end.
And there will be new ones in

463
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:58,770
the future. And you all can, you
can also send a medium. And the

464
00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:03,630
medium is there's like medium
equals all the available mediums

465
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:06,480
that are listed in the podcast
namespace. And then some that

466
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,810
are that are new that are coming
that are the L versions of those

467
00:29:09,810 --> 00:29:10,890
mediums, which are lists.

468
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:17,520
And this is to save people the
hassle of looking up what medium

469
00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:21,690
said feed would contain. Well
just get it right away.

470
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,150
It's it's more of a dis the
medium aspect of this looks,

471
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,970
looks down. Looks down field a
little bit. So you're it's more

472
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:37,560
of a heads up to an app. So
imagine in the future,

473
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:41,550
right? If switch switch, switch
to music. We got music incoming.

474
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:44,340
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. So
that's what I mean. So instead

475
00:29:44,340 --> 00:29:47,100
of them having to determine that
they get the information right

476
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,600
away can switch UI.

477
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,860
And they can Yeah, they can.
They'll like if this if this app

478
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:57,240
really only cares about live
music. You you want them to be

479
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,670
able to filter that always out
right? In only see music streams

480
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:07,710
that go live. So, so just adding
those two URL parameters that

481
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:12,570
that seems like a small thing,
but it ended up being a big a

482
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:17,670
big lift. No kidding. Because
the front end, Alex had to re

483
00:30:17,670 --> 00:30:22,350
engineer the back the back end.
And I needed to re engineer the

484
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:27,330
backside of the front end to
speak. Cam proto over these over

485
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:27,960
the socket.

486
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,020
Okay. And just briefly, because
I remember you were very excited

487
00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:33,420
about Captain proto along with
your captain crunch in the

488
00:30:33,420 --> 00:30:37,260
morning. So what exactly this is
Captain Pro? Let me ask you

489
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:42,600
this. Has Captain proto lived up
to your expectations? Oh,

490
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:44,040
100% 100%.

491
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:46,830
What's the one time all right i
So it

492
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:53,640
totally has. You. So you, you're
familiar enough with? Like TCP

493
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:59,670
sockets, right? Yeah. So imagine
that you imagine I have Mission

494
00:30:59,670 --> 00:31:05,250
video Computer A and computer B,
and open a TCP socket between

495
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:09,630
the two. Now what you just have
it you have you have? You have a

496
00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:14,400
pipe? And you can put anything
through that pipe? Yes. There's

497
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,290
no, nothing is gonna keep you
from doing from sending anything

498
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:23,130
and everything over this pipe?
Which is chaos. You have to

499
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:26,760
agree on a protocol. Yes, to
some degree. Yeah, you have to

500
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,880
see, see buffer overflows, see
how this chaos works. So you,

501
00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:36,060
you have to agree on a protocol
on both ends of the pipe, the

502
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:41,010
protocol, we agreed to, in the
first iteration of pod paying

503
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,430
dot cloud, was that all that's
going to come through the pipe

504
00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:47,670
is going to be an A null
terminated a new line terminated

505
00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:53,220
URL? String. That's it. That's
all you get the pet the dog, you

506
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:56,850
know? Yeah, I'm there. I'm gonna
get I'm going to receive it. And

507
00:31:56,850 --> 00:32:01,320
then I'm going to send that over
to the back end writer. Well, we

508
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,770
now if you got reasons and
mediums and stuff was just, what

509
00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:07,740
are you going to come up with a
stupid copy? No, like complex

510
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:12,810
String, String thing where you
have like, comma separated or

511
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:18,030
something like that? No, that's
this, this crazy. So. So Alex

512
00:32:18,030 --> 00:32:20,460
was like, let's let's use
Captain proto, which will allow

513
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:24,420
us to create types, typed
messages, strongly typed

514
00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:30,600
messages, that has enums in it,
integers, strings, you know,

515
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:35,460
whatever. And so that's what we
did, we created, he created a

516
00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:39,840
schema, using the captain proto
message form a strongly typed

517
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,290
message format. So we're gonna
now we're passing those back and

518
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:49,950
forth. And it's beautiful. It's
beautiful. It's so efficient. So

519
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:58,170
crack open a colon. And so we,
we, we had this thing working.

520
00:32:58,950 --> 00:33:05,250
But it was, it was slow. Like,
it was like, the problem here is

521
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:11,400
the is the Z MQ, which is the
which is the pipe. We're using

522
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:21,660
the Z MQ socket, doesn't handle
multi threading, who will on the

523
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:23,820
rusts on the rusts. IDE, and I
don't know if that's a

524
00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:26,940
limitation of the C library that
has this wrapped? I don't know.

525
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:31,080
But but you get, it's just not
where it doesn't work? Well, we

526
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,910
were limited to just a single
thread, right? And so what's

527
00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:37,380
going to happen, you know, what
you have to do is you have to

528
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:40,530
send a message, and then you
have to wait for a reply. So

529
00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:43,830
something is going to block each
time, like you're going to be

530
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:49,560
waiting to either send or reply,
or receive. So there's this this

531
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,720
weird, it was just really slow
to finally we were like, we kept

532
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,080
debating this and making little
small incremental improvement

533
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,500
improvements. And then also, and
then I was like, okay, look,

534
00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:05,070
this is what I'm going to do,
every time we send for every

535
00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:09,960
URL, I'm also going to attempt
to receive, and I'm going to set

536
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,140
a 500 millisecond timeout on the
receive, so it waits for half a

537
00:34:13,140 --> 00:34:16,590
second. And if it doesn't get a
reply, it just moves on and

538
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:21,180
sends the next one. Okay, that
started working really well. And

539
00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:24,390
then, and then Alex. And I was
like, Okay, this is great. I

540
00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:27,660
mean, we're sending like, This
is going really fast. And then

541
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:30,150
Alex was like, Oh, you don't
need these like you 500

542
00:34:30,150 --> 00:34:32,880
milliseconds wait too long. He's
like just said for, like, 10

543
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,240
milliseconds. So I dropped the
thing down to 10 milliseconds.

544
00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:43,050
Oh my god. It was like, we threw
10,000 phase out and it was one

545
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:50,340
of these things. It's 30
seconds. It was amazing. And so

546
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:53,220
So then, of course, then we get
addicted to and we start

547
00:34:53,220 --> 00:34:56,100
thinking today Alex is like
don't 100 Edit, go, go go and

548
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,350
100,000 feet 100,000 phases.
thing and Brian's asleep in

549
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:05,430
Israel. He wakes up the next
morning and his little chart

550
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:08,790
thing looks like, you know, it
looks like a bomber, you know,

551
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:12,690
attack the city, because he's,
you know, he's stats chart. And

552
00:35:12,690 --> 00:35:16,830
he's like, Oh my God, what did
y'all do? Like we ran the test

553
00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:20,100
net out of resource credits or
whatever that means and all this

554
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:24,000
kind of stuff. And as I was
throwing 200,000 at it, in the

555
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,270
end, he was like, brown welcome
was like you, whatever you did

556
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:31,050
don't ever do that again.
Anyway,

557
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,580
what does that actually do on
Brian's and what did it did?

558
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,110
What did that do?

559
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:41,760
It just basically just, like,
blew the hive thing up. I mean,

560
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,940
like, it was just like rocking
that thing. Like, it's fast, it

561
00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:49,740
was saturated as fast as it
would go the blockchain. So

562
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:54,810
we're basically we could not
feed it any faster. So our our

563
00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:58,560
side is as efficient as it can
get is what that translates

564
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,090
into. So then you just multiply
that times we have five, five,

565
00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:06,540
load balanced wrapping cloud
hosts, right, right, you know,

566
00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:13,320
and we can go, we can go 25,000
Feed URLs, you know, a minute.

567
00:36:13,859 --> 00:36:19,949
So these now these the pod Pink
Dot cloud hosts, those are just

568
00:36:19,949 --> 00:36:23,189
regular servers that are Pat,
they're synced together that are

569
00:36:23,189 --> 00:36:25,979
serving that to each other what
exactly is happening on just so

570
00:36:25,979 --> 00:36:31,259
I understand is hive still the
backbone of the system?

571
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:36,240
Yeah, yeah, it is. So we have we
have five servers. And we have

572
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,230
and each one of them has their
own set of posting keys. So

573
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:44,280
each, all five of them can post
simultaneously. And it just gets

574
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,620
load balanced between every
request and

575
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:49,050
where do they post they post
into the into the hive

576
00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:49,770
blockchain.

577
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:53,970
Yes, around. That's right. Yeah.
So but one of the RE

578
00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:57,360
architecture, one of the aspects
of this re architecture is we

579
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,830
want to also have, we want to do
other backends. So we want to

580
00:37:01,830 --> 00:37:08,520
have, like IPFS gossip sub. And
also, I want an object storage

581
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:11,250
IPFS gossip sub?

582
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:19,440
Yes. So it's like Pub Sub over
IPFS. It's using live lib p2p

583
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,580
protocol. So yes, that thing I
showed you I gave you.

584
00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:30,120
It's is that anything like this
hole punch, keep business

585
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:30,810
similar.

586
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,400
I don't know enough about a hole
punch to know what that even is

587
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:35,760
yet.

588
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,500
Me neither. It's like, I set up
a room, everyone joined. And

589
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:42,510
that was the end of the test.
And I'm still in there like,

590
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:46,620
hello, hello. anybody doing
anything here?

591
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:51,810
My buddy Tim. He's really good.
He's been sending me stuff about

592
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,680
key in hole punch for a few
months. He's really into it. And

593
00:37:55,950 --> 00:38:00,480
that's the first time I've have
been in a room. And like seen it

594
00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:03,390
because someone sent sent that
to me. And the message was like,

595
00:38:04,050 --> 00:38:07,920
Excuse me. It was like, pull
punch. Check it out. This is

596
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,960
what cross app comments. file
hosting. Everything will be on

597
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:19,050
this in the future. Like okay,
I'll check that out. Now, I you

598
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:22,590
know, it's basically a messaging
system that ties into lightning

599
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:27,390
and some DHT, which is
distributed hash tables, I think

600
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,740
DHT space.

601
00:38:29,730 --> 00:38:34,110
That's it. That's the thing is I
don't it ties into lightning for

602
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:36,660
micro payments, but it doesn't
use lightning for his

603
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:37,620
communication. No,

604
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:39,390
no, it's just in there. Just and
I was glad.

605
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:42,750
Yeah, when I, when I first saw
it, I was like, oh, no, they're

606
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:46,590
gonna try to use Lonnie for
chat, which is not good. But

607
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:48,690
yeah, so I mean, we want to have
this stuff.

608
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,550
Were you able to play that file
I put in there.

609
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,580
Oh, I didn't see a file.

610
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,580
It was a player. It was a no
agenda episode.

611
00:38:57,450 --> 00:39:00,420
Oh, I hadn't you haven't? I
didn't see it. Oh, it will still

612
00:39:00,420 --> 00:39:01,920
up on my screen on my other
computer.

613
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:07,800
It was probably in there before.
Before you logged in, I don't

614
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,620
know. I don't understand. I
don't understand why. I like it.

615
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:16,680
If it's true, but you know, I
like IPFS too. There's all kinds

616
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,110
of cool stuff. Alright, so it's
open now. So it can be other

617
00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:20,490
back end. Interesting. All

618
00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:23,250
right. Good. Yeah. Yep. So and
hopefully and I think that's

619
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,550
necessary. I mean, because yeah,
you know, you never want all

620
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:30,540
your eggs and eggs in one basket
and you want to diversify. So

621
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:33,330
we're gonna, I want I want that
object. I want to have it on

622
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:36,810
object storage every you know,
every few seconds to read a new

623
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:40,200
object storage block. You know,

624
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600
tell me about the object storage
because that's what you want. So

625
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,420
I'm paying extra attention to
maybe it's a stocking stuffer or

626
00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:48,120
something and get you for under
the tree. Tell me what you want.

627
00:39:48,509 --> 00:39:52,679
Give me an s3 bucket and my
stock. Yeah, that's yeah, that's

628
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,379
the basically just just in a
bucket. You know, like an a

629
00:39:55,379 --> 00:40:02,009
public bucket goes back like
they may have like the last Half

630
00:40:02,009 --> 00:40:06,929
a million blocks of feed URLs
day, and somebody can just watch

631
00:40:06,959 --> 00:40:11,129
you know that if it because, you
know, I mean none of these,

632
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:15,750
I still don't I still understand
what blocked object storage is.

633
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,940
Well, so I mean object storage
is just like s3 bucket s3.

634
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:23,040
I gotcha, I gotcha.

635
00:40:23,610 --> 00:40:26,670
So we'd have a, we'd have a file
that just rotates every, you

636
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:29,490
know, every few seconds, that
has a new that has the new

637
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:31,530
stuff, and then people could
just pull it if they wanted to.

638
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:33,450
It's funny to think about, you
know, there's no need just

639
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:35,280
thinking about all these
different options. It's funny

640
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,710
you say that, because, you know,
I've always been like an object

641
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:41,820
storage guy. I always like the
idea of tiny files in folders

642
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:44,790
that you can, you know, access
easily. It's just, it's so easy

643
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:50,400
to kind of maintain. And I
installed something that I

644
00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:54,570
popped up on the Umbral, maybe
it always been there. It's

645
00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:59,520
called Trillium, t r i, L I, um,
so it's one L, that's critical,

646
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,830
because there's some other
things out there with Double L.

647
00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:07,140
And this, what is it, and it's,
well, it's a server. So you can

648
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:11,280
access it through a web browser,
but you can synchronize, I think

649
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,490
they have a I know they have a
Windows client, I'm using an A

650
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:16,980
Linux client and some
experimental Mac note, no

651
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:23,250
mobile. And it's, it's kind of
like freedom controller for the

652
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:28,770
rest of my life. And as I delve
into it more, I realize it's

653
00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:35,670
actually frontier, in but
written in proper database, with

654
00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:41,340
modern with modern languages,
because it's outliner based, and

655
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:44,370
the nodes can have properties.
And the nodes can also run

656
00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:48,690
JavaScript. So you can you can
run and compile a JavaScript

657
00:41:48,690 --> 00:41:52,140
that does stuff as it makes the
application useful. And it has a

658
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:57,540
database back end. And it
actually integrates almost

659
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:01,980
perfectly with freedom
controller. Were it not that the

660
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:07,890
export of all versions of OPML
that they claim is 2.0? It's not

661
00:42:07,890 --> 00:42:09,810
Yeah, you know, it doesn't
include include the link

662
00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:13,860
property, it's all and of
course, which is like, it's so

663
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:17,970
close, you're so close to the
property of the note, and they

664
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:21,870
have their own properties to all
kinds of source, it's open

665
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:26,610
source. And, and it's, it's,
it's, I got to tell you, man,

666
00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:31,140
this thing has changed the way I
organized myself. Because you

667
00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:35,820
know, an hour Lilla you know,
don't want L one, l one l look,

668
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,130
it's endless, because I
understand outliners. And so it

669
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:45,300
lets me work, it has all kinds
of good shortcuts and tools for

670
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:48,990
Outliner, which really is
creating, you know, having a UI

671
00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:51,840
for creating different types of
nodes. So there's a node that

672
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,740
becomes a folder node, that's a
link, a node that to to do,

673
00:42:55,770 --> 00:43:00,780
which you know, is taken from,
from org mode. You know, it, it

674
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:04,470
has a beautiful editor in it.
This is this is the main thing.

675
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:09,000
So every node, you can edit the,
you know, with a full on wiziwig

676
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,080
markdown, and I just have I've
been holding back on this just

677
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,780
to tell you how excited I am
about it, because it's kind of

678
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:19,140
something I think you might like
it. I mean, it's, it's it's

679
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:21,660
really changed the way I
organized my life. And Tina has

680
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:23,760
gone. Who are you?

681
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:25,980
You remember?

682
00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:30,420
You did this at 7am. You're like
you already had all that change

683
00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:34,830
and checked what is going on?
Yeah, it's really helping me get

684
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:35,520
things done.

685
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,290
TriMet says Trillium
hierarchical notetaking

686
00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:42,510
application with focus on
building large personal

687
00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:43,980
knowledge bases. Yeah, this

688
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:47,610
guy's got kick ass search, which
is, you know, one drawback of

689
00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:49,680
most of these systems can import

690
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:50,550
OPML. Yep.

691
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:54,330
Yeah, yes, it will. It will
suck. No, it will suck. It will

692
00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:57,510
not import the properties. It'll
import basically, the node

693
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:58,110
structure

694
00:43:59,070 --> 00:44:00,930
will import the links at least
No,

695
00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:03,780
no, no. Why would it do that?
No. Why would it do that? That

696
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:06,930
would be completely well, it's
probably just a small fix. You

697
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:10,380
know, it's I'm not quite there
yet. But I'm committed to the

698
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:11,010
system.

699
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,580
And then they're there UK, their
Ukraine flag on their GitHub

700
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:16,800
repos as big as the screenshot
of the product. Yeah,

701
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,710
I kind of I just, I just looked
past the Yes. I would love to

702
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:25,860
support the developer. I'm not
going to support Ukraine. Okay.

703
00:44:26,190 --> 00:44:29,730
That's not going to support the
military industrial complex.

704
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,900
That just check it out.

705
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:39,900
Something to have a look at.
Okay, here's a question. Oh, no,

706
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,090
no. Well, okay.

707
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:46,110
Yeah, I just I just saw my
monitor over. Yeah, I'm good.

708
00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:54,030
So real lot of excitement
around. Mastodon, a lot of

709
00:44:54,450 --> 00:45:00,000
exciting development people are
discovering activity activity.

710
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,740
Pub Sub hub thing called cross
act comments. It's now or never.

711
00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:12,030
And I just want to understand
why it seems not to be

712
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:12,660
happening.

713
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:26,790
It could be it could be because
people do when people go into

714
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,570
this, I think we need to accept
this as a possible as a possible

715
00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:34,530
reality here. Now Now, whether
or not this thing I'm about to

716
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:41,790
say is true, does not ultimately
decide doesn't bear on whether

717
00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:45,780
or not the social interact tag
or the way that we've built it

718
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:52,020
is needs to exist, because I
think it does, regardless. Isn't

719
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:55,620
it's never a bad idea to have a
good protocol for a thing.

720
00:45:56,790 --> 00:46:05,430
Right. But it could be that most
people don't want anything

721
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:07,080
social in their podcast app.

722
00:46:09,570 --> 00:46:13,590
Okay, so here's what I think. I
think first of all, there's only

723
00:46:14,490 --> 00:46:19,170
I know maybe there may be some
cast apod feeds out there.

724
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:22,590
There's every single one of my
feeds no agenda, and if you want

725
00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:25,290
some traction, please go look at
op three and tell me if you

726
00:46:25,290 --> 00:46:29,190
think no agenda has the traction
for you to try something. I

727
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:32,400
always put a route post in
there. There's action on the

728
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,750
route post because people
respond to that in the no agenda

729
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:41,550
social Mastodon so it's a not
being surfaced. And there's no

730
00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:48,870
one has a log into your Mastodon
to join the conversation. And so

731
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:53,610
therefore, in my mind, that's
how we move things forward as if

732
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,540
and this is down to the app
developers has to come first in

733
00:46:57,540 --> 00:47:01,080
my mind because I already have
that we're creating the content

734
00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:07,170
with enough enough users for it
to not be a dead feature. And

735
00:47:07,170 --> 00:47:11,130
then only then will hosting
company start to consider adding

736
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:15,120
that themselves. For the for the
larger audience. This is what

737
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,390
we've seen in the past two
years. This is how it works. But

738
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:22,500
for some reason people and I do
blame a little bit on Cridland

739
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:28,470
with pushing the the booster
Graham calm comments in, in

740
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:31,500
Fountain, because fountain is
just that's their ecosystem. Now

741
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,260
fountain almost can't do cross
app comments. They've kind of

742
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:37,230
painted themselves into a
corner, which I'm not against.

743
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:41,880
In fact, I like it very much.
But But if if no one is going to

744
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,790
pick up the cross app comments
and activity pub, I'm going to

745
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:48,210
go full in on on doing it with
lightning whatever fountain is

746
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:52,800
doing, because my content is not
not being surfaced.

747
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:07,530
Will so who who would do it? Who
would like so What app do you

748
00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:10,470
expect? would do cross F
comments in

749
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:19,470
the breeze? Fountain, curio
caster cast a PA? Cast thematic.

750
00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:26,280
Okay, and I would hope this
would be a great thing for

751
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Pocket Casts.

752
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,830
Yeah, Pocket Cast course.
They're going all in on activity

753
00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:35,670
pet pub, so let's please let
someone else go first. But I'm

754
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:36,750
asking our group.

755
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,660
I would think that the tip to me
Pocket Casts makes the most

756
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:47,490
sense for this feature. Man,
maybe I'm nuts. But I mean, to

757
00:48:47,490 --> 00:48:50,880
me, it just it just seems like
it's right in their wheelhouse.

758
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:55,890
It's an open protocol. I mean,
they're all about social and

759
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:59,130
about, you know, I mean, it's
owned by the company that

760
00:48:59,190 --> 00:49:03,690
created WordPress. Like that's,
that's in WordPress is all about

761
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:07,800
interop. And, you know, they
sort of in in not invented but

762
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:11,460
absolutely popularized the
notion of having comments on a

763
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:15,510
blog post. I mean, all that
stuff just makes sense that

764
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:19,350
Pocket Casts would be the one to
do cross app comments and

765
00:49:19,350 --> 00:49:23,700
surface them in their app is in
there. And it's open now. So

766
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,840
somebody can go at it. Now
that's a complex feature,

767
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:31,740
probably require some back end a
they would want that, that at

768
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:34,350
least as far as the UI goes, I
mean, that could that could be

769
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:36,930
helped by the open open
developers now.

770
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:40,410
I'm just I'm not condemning
anybody. I'm just I don't

771
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:44,820
understand. And we have a real
push a real push. There's,

772
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:48,750
there's developers, there's
users, this real users coming in

773
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:54,060
and and, and I'm very excited
about the differences that the

774
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:58,470
fediverse has in a just how the
culture is and the vibe of it

775
00:49:58,470 --> 00:50:01,980
all and so perfect to do this.
Now, and I just checked on curio

776
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:04,530
caster, I can't find it if the
comments are there. I don't

777
00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:07,140
think pod verse surfaces them.

778
00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:10,020
Um, yeah, commercial app and the
with

779
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:12,030
Missy pod pod verse.

780
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,160
It's in both,

781
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,670
right, but I can't let me say

782
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:21,750
swipe you swipe to get to and
upon verse on the app. Okay,

783
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:28,110
let me see. So I'm playing it
here. And I swipe Well, I don't

784
00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:32,100
see how I swipe on not on the
web app.

785
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:37,050
I don't think oh, no, you're on
the web app. Yeah, now it's on

786
00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:42,060
the mobile app. It's, it's
there. Right? You swipe over to

787
00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:47,970
I think you swipe left to get to
it. Okay, I just opened my pod

788
00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:50,460
verse and it shows a little live
emblem wrapper. So you gotta

789
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:50,670
love.

790
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:55,440
Right? But no, but no comments
there. But I want to just on the

791
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,170
last one, I'm sorry, everybody.
I'm doing this while you're

792
00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:00,300
listening to me doing it, which
is kind of creepy.

793
00:51:01,590 --> 00:51:05,340
It is on the web app. You just
not like you don't swipe. I

794
00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:08,250
think it's just on a different
location. Like the comments are

795
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:11,910
collapsed by default on the pod
verse app. So you don't you

796
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:15,810
don't like you don't see it
unless you Oh, expand the

797
00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:16,470
comments.

798
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:19,620
I'm probably not logged in. So
that may that may be part of the

799
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:20,340
problem here.

800
00:51:21,090 --> 00:51:23,010
Let me say podcasting to

801
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:27,810
look at ours. Now. I'm going
into and I see the live live

802
00:51:27,810 --> 00:51:29,850
works is so beautiful love pod
Molly.

803
00:51:29,850 --> 00:51:31,950
Yeah. So if you if you click on
pod, Molly

804
00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:34,500
Yeah, no.

805
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:38,250
comments there. Transcript
comments, chapters, clips,

806
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,740
and I have no comments. Oh,
yeah, there's no, I have no

807
00:51:40,740 --> 00:51:42,240
comments. And the second

808
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,820
it takes a second hit it, it
takes a second to play, it has

809
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:48,360
to go grab all the comments. But
anyway,

810
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:51,600
like jokes there, but you can't
respond. But you can't respond.

811
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,860
It's not it's not prominently
featured. And of course, if you

812
00:51:55,860 --> 00:51:59,220
want if you want to, I don't
know, I think Misha has seen an

813
00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:02,310
uptake in pod verse users. And
why is that is because it's the

814
00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:05,850
only podcast that gives you an
alert when no agenda goes live.

815
00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:10,410
And so what I say is, hey, you
can go get to go get pod verse,

816
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,620
If you want to be alerted when
no agenda show goes live. And

817
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:16,950
you can get right into the what
we call the troll room. And the

818
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:20,310
comments are just saying I will
promote everybody's app.

819
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:27,240
Okay, well, they think you just
answered the question. What

820
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:31,590
causes apps to implement
features? This goes right back

821
00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:34,980
to what we've known the whole
time. apps won't implement

822
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:38,940
features that don't have content
available to certain that it can

823
00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:39,630
surface. As

824
00:52:39,629 --> 00:52:44,009
I said, every single one of my
shows, has it and has content in

825
00:52:44,009 --> 00:52:46,349
it historically, for many shows,

826
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,320
right? But Pocket Casts is not
going to do something that's

827
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,010
only on one or two podcasts. Why
not one more comment?

828
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,420
Why do you make that assumption?

829
00:52:56,490 --> 00:53:00,360
Because they're a big app, and
they don't want to spend time on

830
00:53:00,450 --> 00:53:03,960
something that only has one or
two buckets?

831
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:06,900
I think that's presumptuous. I'm
not so sure. They also made it

832
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,450
open source, you know, like it's
a big app. And by the way, it's

833
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:12,120
open source. I don't know, I'm
not so sure that they wouldn't

834
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:13,110
want to implement that.

835
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,440
I mean, I think they want to
implement it. I'm just saying

836
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,880
it's probably a hard.

837
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:21,630
Okay, but am I okay, back to my
original point. If we all want

838
00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:24,900
to wait until Apple does it or
Pocket Casts or someone big?

839
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,200
It's disappointing to me. We've
kind of went away. No, I'm just

840
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,510
saying we've proven I'm not
saying this to you, we prove.

841
00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:36,570
We've proven that when we show
more than one app doing

842
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:40,440
something people start to take
it up. Transcripts is a great

843
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,550
example. It's a slow lift, but
it's getting there. And

844
00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:47,310
eventually it will just become
standard. Which brings me to the

845
00:53:47,340 --> 00:53:51,270
inside we can leave this brings
me to the next piece. Did Apple

846
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:56,880
just accept using the podcast
namespace by accepting the TX T

847
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,240
record? or is this some back end
deal that transistor has that

848
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,400
isn't really using the
namespace?

849
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:06,600
No, I think it's I think it's I
think it's been sanctioned.

850
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,980
But is has there been less it
hasn't been a press release or

851
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:11,550
as someone

852
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:15,420
acknowledged this? No, but I
think I think it's

853
00:54:16,050 --> 00:54:22,260
so if I make a feed with a TXT
record to be verified on Apple

854
00:54:22,260 --> 00:54:26,640
podcast, I will put that in my
feed in the TX T tag.

855
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,520
Right hmm yeah, so I think I
think what they're I think

856
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,800
Apple's push the way I
understand it, Apple's push and

857
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,120
I sent you a screenshot but
yeah,

858
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,620
I got I got to thank you. Adam
getting would really is that

859
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:51,780
what the screenshots like? Is
that all? No wonder. All right.

860
00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:55,530
So we can have Adam getting wood
clips, but we can't have

861
00:54:55,530 --> 00:54:58,380
comments. Okay. All right. All
right.

862
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,390
All only children, only childish
people get move the world

863
00:55:04,290 --> 00:55:10,500
forward. Yeah. Okay. So I think
I think apples. I mean, I think

864
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:15,570
they're going to the way I
understand it push hosts to

865
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:18,720
adopt the txt tag for
verification. So

866
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:24,570
can I say, in my own marketing
materials, Apple has adopted the

867
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,630
podcast namespace with the first
tag, which is the TX T tag for

868
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:31,560
verification.

869
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,990
I think you can say whatever you
want.

870
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:37,560
I don't want people I don't want
people get mad.

871
00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:44,100
Well, I mean, run it by run, run
by Ted. So hey, Ted, can I can I

872
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:46,890
say this out loud? I don't think
in public.

873
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,680
The point X No, the point is,
alright, fine. I'm not gonna beg

874
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,520
anybody. I just want to know, I
mean, if if Apple actually is

875
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,040
recognizing the namespace would
be nice for them to say it.

876
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,330
Okay, if they don't want to

877
00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:03,450
tip, I'm looking to say it out
loud. I'd be very appreciative

878
00:56:03,450 --> 00:56:03,870
of that.

879
00:56:04,290 --> 00:56:07,590
I'd be super appreciative of it.
But it feels like to me, it

880
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:10,800
feels like there was this thing,
Apple's gonna do this. And

881
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,590
everyone's talking about it,
and, and they're gonna announce

882
00:56:13,590 --> 00:56:17,340
it, and there's no announcement.
And I'm like, okay, so what was

883
00:56:17,340 --> 00:56:20,730
the big secret about did it
actually happen? Is it true? To

884
00:56:20,730 --> 00:56:25,290
me, it feels like transistor has
just some API thing on the back

885
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:29,580
end. So they don't put an email
address in and they hand it off

886
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:32,460
properly to Apple, it doesn't
feel like well,

887
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,490
now they're putting the TXT
record in now. That's, that's

888
00:56:35,490 --> 00:56:39,480
it's going in the feed. They're
doing it I'm transistors do it.

889
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:45,960
100% did it the right 100% 100%
They did it the right way. And

890
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,920
so and, and I think my
understanding is Apple has had

891
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,730
what at such a time because you
know, the Okay, I think the the

892
00:56:53,790 --> 00:57:01,350
the the mix up here is that?
Yeah, Apple has, as press

893
00:57:01,350 --> 00:57:07,800
forecasted that they are going
to in the future, deprecate the

894
00:57:07,830 --> 00:57:12,810
iTunes author, iTunes owner,
TASH are sure so but they

895
00:57:12,810 --> 00:57:17,430
haven't done it yet. They said
early 23. So my, you know, I

896
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:21,360
would, the way this would go, I
think is that they would say,

897
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:24,990
here, you know, on the official
day, when they actually

898
00:57:24,990 --> 00:57:29,070
deprecated then they would have
a thing that says, and here's

899
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:33,690
what we recommend you do
instead. That's a bet you that's

900
00:57:33,690 --> 00:57:35,340
the way that is going to come
down the pipe.

901
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,550
I do not see a single TXT record
in any feeds.

902
00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:44,130
Because you don't because
nobody's moving you only use it

903
00:57:44,130 --> 00:57:46,830
when you move your when you can
train and you need to verify.

904
00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:50,550
Okay, it goes in there when you
verify

905
00:57:50,850 --> 00:57:52,980
I'm just suspicious

906
00:57:58,260 --> 00:58:00,990
that's gonna be that's gonna be
the subtitle of your

907
00:58:00,990 --> 00:58:02,850
autobiography. Adam curry

908
00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:06,330
it's Adam curry held hostage by
my hair.

909
00:58:06,569 --> 00:58:12,929
I'm going abroad stats by the
great because

910
00:58:12,930 --> 00:58:15,540
I have some questions about
that. My mommy, I'm interested

911
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:16,410
in your stats.

912
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:20,610
I just get this is something
I've been wanting to add some

913
00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:27,750
been in my craw for for a while
is you know, Spurlock publishes

914
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:33,120
these monthly stats. Where he
goes bang is like the you know,

915
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:38,430
the number of new episodes. I
always wonder. What I've always

916
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:43,350
wanted to dig down on is how
many of these new episodes like

917
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:46,440
he's, he'll say, here's the here
are the hosting companies that

918
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,050
published the most new episodes
for November. And I've always

919
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:58,290
wondered, how many of those
feeds that published a new

920
00:58:58,290 --> 00:59:04,260
episode? How many of those were
existing feeds versus new feeds?

921
00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:10,020
So how many of what percentage
of those shows that published in

922
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:14,700
November? How many of those was
how many of those feeds was that

923
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:19,950
their first episode, if that
makes sense, so indicating that

924
00:59:19,950 --> 00:59:23,820
it's a brand new feed that's
never existed before versus an

925
00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:28,650
existing feed that is just
publishing another episode. So

926
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:34,530
in November, the number of
unique feeds that published an

927
00:59:34,530 --> 00:59:42,390
episode was 366,849. So that's
pretty I mean, that's pretty

928
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:47,310
good. That's that's in line with
what it normally is. Of those

929
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:55,500
366,849 shows that published an
episode. Anchor represented

930
00:59:55,500 --> 01:00:04,350
96,391 of those. So That's 26%.
So 26% of the feeds that

931
01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:08,400
published a new episode 26% were
anchor, and this is in November.

932
01:00:09,930 --> 01:00:14,340
So if you've drill if you if you
sort of get down further and

933
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:22,020
say, how many of that 366,849
feeds that published in

934
01:00:22,020 --> 01:00:26,340
November, how many of those
feeds were created in November?

935
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:38,040
It's 9% 34,188. So just shy of
10% of November's feeds that

936
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,880
published an episode were brand
new. There were feeds that had

937
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,600
not existed before. And then if
you drill down a little bit

938
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,640
further than that, you can say,
of those escaping out of those

939
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,440
but but but anchor feeds that
were created out of thin air in

940
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:04,500
November were 10,032%. So it
13,032 So 3% of the total, were

941
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,330
brand new phase, created on
Anchor so. So the way we take it

942
01:01:09,330 --> 01:01:14,190
as a third of a third of the new
feeds that were created in

943
01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:19,680
November, were created on Anchor
is basically what you can say.

944
01:01:21,810 --> 01:01:28,800
That's pretty. That's pretty
good. I mean, like, and let me

945
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:33,840
explain what I mean, by good. I
mean, obviously, anchors this

946
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,470
huge Gen gigantic free hosts, so
you're gonna they're gonna suck

947
01:01:37,470 --> 01:01:41,970
all the air out of the room most
of the time. But you really are,

948
01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:45,990
you're only looking at a third,
that means two thirds of all the

949
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:50,130
brand new feeds in the month of
November came from other hosting

950
01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:55,590
companies that were not anchor.
So that's, I mean, that's

951
01:01:55,590 --> 01:01:56,790
actually encouraging to me.

952
01:01:56,820 --> 01:02:01,080
Can I ask a couple questions
here? Yes, because I see a lot

953
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:06,750
of this work going on. I see. We
got some kind of stats package

954
01:02:06,750 --> 01:02:10,560
that some, some new developer
came in and was really

955
01:02:11,250 --> 01:02:15,210
introduced that it's always nice
when when a developer bursts a

956
01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:20,280
new project into the world.
Yeah, I enjoy that. And so I

957
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,760
have a couple of questions that
roll into one. And it really

958
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,840
that my main question is, what
is the why of this? So you

959
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,500
You're guessing to new, you're
gonna see well, I'll expand a

960
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:34,710
little bit and I just want to
understand, besides creating

961
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:38,790
endless content for pod news and
and reports for podcast

962
01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:43,290
consultants, I think the stats
are interesting. But what is the

963
01:02:43,290 --> 01:02:46,470
objective? And what is the
analog in the radio or any other

964
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:49,050
publishing industry? I've never
cared what television people

965
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:52,950
used to watch me or what radio
device? Is this for hosting

966
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:54,030
company marketing.

967
01:02:55,290 --> 01:03:00,690
My interest in this is purely to
get a sense of the overall

968
01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:07,110
health of the podcasting. In the
independent podcast hosting

969
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:09,390
ecosystem. Well, you you can't

970
01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:12,630
determine health without knowing
if what is what is coming out.

971
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:16,050
It could be love. It could be
shit, you don't know what it is.

972
01:03:16,050 --> 01:03:18,030
I mean, you don't know the
content of these things. You

973
01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:21,330
just it's just random. To me.
It's the other side of the

974
01:03:21,330 --> 01:03:26,610
Dalvik issue. I mean, the
podcast industrial complex fell

975
01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:32,220
so flat on its face, once again,
when anybody can just use some

976
01:03:32,250 --> 01:03:36,600
like Samsung use some user agent
and it it screwed up all the

977
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,070
charts all the rankers it
completely defrauded advertisers

978
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:45,540
at some point. I think this
whole thing is broken. And it

979
01:03:45,540 --> 01:03:49,170
just to me is feels like the
only thing I can see is that

980
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:54,330
perhaps the John Spurlock sees
this as being some type of open

981
01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:58,140
system that advertisers, some
advertisers or some sponsors may

982
01:03:58,140 --> 01:04:02,790
ultimately use to some degree,
but I just don't understand the

983
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:04,560
why of this project.

984
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:09,420
This is not these stats that I'm
talking about. And the monthly

985
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:13,410
stats from John these are not
download stats, these are these

986
01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:14,610
are feed stats,

987
01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:17,370
but it's all part of the same
thing to me. No

988
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,350
Well, yeah, but that's disagree
because because the the feed

989
01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:25,860
stats the download stats get
into all the achiness and the

990
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:30,360
yuckiness of of advertising and
in and reach and

991
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,020
we agree on that but um, but all
this other stuff, I'm just like,

992
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:35,610
Okay,

993
01:04:36,090 --> 01:04:40,260
let's see the so when I say
health I mean like we're talking

994
01:04:40,260 --> 01:04:47,130
about capture I don't you know,
we don't want one behemoth

995
01:04:47,130 --> 01:04:51,300
company a hosting company to
essentially capture the entire

996
01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:55,770
you know, suck all of the
podcasting into itself and so

997
01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:58,080
they can they then begin to
dictate term okay.

998
01:04:59,490 --> 01:05:04,290
God So, a and I'm not fighting I
love you, you know that right?

999
01:05:04,290 --> 01:05:07,530
I'm just this. This is highly
interesting to me because I see

1000
01:05:07,530 --> 01:05:10,470
all the energy that's going in,
I want to figure out, what can I

1001
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:15,090
do with this energy? Is it
useful? So if what's the trip

1002
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:18,030
wire when what you just said,
Okay, someone's sucking all the

1003
01:05:18,030 --> 01:05:20,910
energy out of the room there's
somehow they're they're

1004
01:05:20,910 --> 01:05:24,360
garnering too much power. What
is the trip wire? And what is

1005
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,760
the resolution? What is the
action we need to take?

1006
01:05:27,210 --> 01:05:31,290
Then that's when we that's when
we trigger the this top secret

1007
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:31,890
weapon. Okay,

1008
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:37,140
so I think just as I thought
it's useless exercise. You have

1009
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:39,900
no, you have no answer for my
questions. Dave Jones, I want

1010
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:42,390
you to enjoy, I want you to
enjoy doing what you do. I

1011
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:45,210
really do. I just I don't know
if I'm supposed to be paying

1012
01:05:45,210 --> 01:05:48,360
attention or not. I don't I
don't know. It's hard because

1013
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:51,900
just like, Okay, I have
boundless energy. I don't have

1014
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,900
cross app comments, but I know
exactly which hosting company is

1015
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:56,520
doing well, as

1016
01:05:57,690 --> 01:06:00,660
well. But okay. All right. Let
me let me take that. Let me let

1017
01:06:00,660 --> 01:06:03,540
me take that ball and run with
it. You know, exactly. Which

1018
01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:07,560
which hosting companies are
doing well, well, now. That's

1019
01:06:07,590 --> 01:06:10,890
the pitch. No, that's a little
bit of a misnomer to I mean, I'm

1020
01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:13,110
sure anchor is losing money. So
they're not actually doing well.

1021
01:06:13,140 --> 01:06:15,600
Good point. Good point. You
can't look in someone's pocket

1022
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,440
book for sure.

1023
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:22,320
Yeah. So but but this also tells
you whether like this gives you

1024
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:29,340
ideas about whether or not
certain about whether Elissa

1025
01:06:29,370 --> 01:06:29,490
well

1026
01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:32,160
here's here's an example. Here's
an excerpt from the chat room.

1027
01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:38,040
Ice Cube soup says, I think some
interesting stats would be feed

1028
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:42,000
which published its 20th,
episode 50th episode at cetera,

1029
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:45,120
feeds, which published an
episode three years after its

1030
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,580
first published event, five
years, etc.

1031
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:50,100
And I'm saying interesting in
any way. Thank

1032
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:53,400
you. This is my point. Where is
the interesting data? Where is

1033
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,900
something that will interest me?

1034
01:06:57,690 --> 01:07:01,800
Let me let me say that but you
imagine that we did this, okay.

1035
01:07:01,830 --> 01:07:06,270
Imagine, imagine that I brought
these stats and instead, instead

1036
01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:10,320
of the mundane stats that I gave
you a while ago, if instead what

1037
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:16,770
I what I what I reported was
that. Okay. 366,849 feeds were

1038
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:23,760
published a new episode in
November, and 50% of those were

1039
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:29,280
new feeds created on Anchor.
Yeah, all of the sudden, you're

1040
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,510
like, No, okay, way to say, Oh,
you'd be the proper response to

1041
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:38,340
that would be there, is
something majorly wrong within

1042
01:07:38,340 --> 01:07:39,120
podcasting.

1043
01:07:39,810 --> 01:07:43,710
I don't know. Why would he be
wrong? Why would something be

1044
01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:47,100
wrong? What is wrong? They mean,
I don't understand this. This is

1045
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:48,540
exactly what I don't understand.

1046
01:07:48,930 --> 01:07:52,680
But what would be wrong would be
you would be right to conclude

1047
01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:58,440
that, that very few people are
actually signing up for new

1048
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,590
podcast, and most of them are
just dicking around on Anchor,

1049
01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:05,010
but it's not a bad thing. Yeah,
it would be a bad thing. Why?

1050
01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:07,470
Why is that? Why is it a bad
thing?

1051
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,800
Because it would be hard to go
out and convince people to

1052
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,910
implement new namespace
features. If they if the hosting

1053
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:17,100
companies are actually looking
at their books and being like,

1054
01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:21,420
Oh, my God, we can't pay the
bills. Like that. To me. That's

1055
01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:22,860
what I mean by health like,

1056
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:27,630
right. But if you if you have an
industry, where you have a huge

1057
01:08:27,690 --> 01:08:32,340
VC funded player who was giving
away free stuff, your industry

1058
01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:33,930
may be in trouble anyway.

1059
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:37,110
Right, but I don't I don't know
how much trouble there.

1060
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,970
Okay. You should write up a
report. And you should, I think

1061
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:48,150
you should do a sub stack. Yeah,
I think it's a good idea to do a

1062
01:08:48,150 --> 01:08:50,430
sub stack. And here's this.
Here's the health of the

1063
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:56,850
industry. I think it would be a
hit. I do. Don't done. I'm

1064
01:08:56,850 --> 01:09:04,590
telling you. Damn. Listen,
Daniel J. Daniel J. Lewis, point

1065
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:07,410
of personal privilege is going
to do this now that I've given

1066
01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:11,160
this idea. health of the podcast
industry.

1067
01:09:12,510 --> 01:09:14,700
It'll be his next episode. Yeah.

1068
01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:21,480
If you're loving those stats,
I'm happy. I just I don't know.

1069
01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:23,700
I'm just going I don't
understand. I wouldn't

1070
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:26,220
say I loved him. It was actually
painfully boring.

1071
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:34,170
To the show database was there
and it needs to be mined. I get

1072
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:37,410
it. I totally understand. I
understand that. I understand.

1073
01:09:38,790 --> 01:09:43,350
Oh, man. There's some new app
popped up which I didn't quite

1074
01:09:43,350 --> 01:09:45,450
understand. castled you take a
look at this.

1075
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,690
had not looked at it yet. No.
Castle

1076
01:09:48,690 --> 01:09:52,050
is an interactive podcast player
for people who want to go beyond

1077
01:09:52,050 --> 01:09:55,950
listening. Transcribe save,
share and search podcast content

1078
01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:59,100
all from one simple platform.
Castle's goal is to bring

1079
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:02,790
scripts is Bring the next level
of collaboration and learning to

1080
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:05,130
the podcast world. Hey Castle,
guys, why don't you do some

1081
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,730
cross app comments if that's
your goal? Oh,

1082
01:10:08,730 --> 01:10:12,270
yeah, totally. So sure like I
said Greenfield project get you

1083
01:10:12,270 --> 01:10:15,480
could make it right in from the
beginning, right? Perfect. Yeah,

1084
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:16,200
good time to do it.

1085
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:20,850
Oh, man, oh, man. Oh, man.

1086
01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:25,260
Oh, let me let me just let me
just say that I've been Somebody

1087
01:10:25,290 --> 01:10:30,690
contacted me through email and
did a sort of an in depth

1088
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:38,730
analysis on the index to find
duplicates. Oh, and what he

1089
01:10:38,730 --> 01:10:42,870
found what he sent me though his
methodology and everything which

1090
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:46,710
is sound is good. It's a good
it's a good way to do it. He

1091
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:49,020
found 50,000 duplicates index.

1092
01:10:49,050 --> 01:10:53,520
Well, wait a minute. That's
That's what 1% Yeah, that's 1%

1093
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,860
that's pretty. That's pretty
good, man. Congratulations. I

1094
01:10:55,860 --> 01:10:57,240
feel good about this shirt.

1095
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:02,040
Holy crap. A virtual Well, hold
on

1096
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:10,560
I need to have this thing a
little more. A little more

1097
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:19,200
standby. 1% 1% 1% is
gratulations. Man, that's really

1098
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:25,080
good. That is really incredibly
good. Do we? How about the

1099
01:11:25,620 --> 01:11:27,570
Slurpee, the slipper Slurpee

1100
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,110
that was still going we're
closing in where you'd like

1101
01:11:31,530 --> 01:11:36,420
50,000 feeds of music. I think
you said or posted 44,000?

1102
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:39,060
Close? That's not bad. Yeah,
that's a good start.

1103
01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:44,430
And you know, dystopia unleashed
their, their, their value block

1104
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:49,800
integration in their, in their?
Their medium tags. So we got to

1105
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,450
get them on the show. Have

1106
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,930
you ever seen anything show up
from them on in the index any

1107
01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:55,710
feeds with?

1108
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,030
I'm gonna look for I'm gonna get
some. I'm gonna bring some stats

1109
01:12:00,060 --> 01:12:00,540
next week.

1110
01:12:01,890 --> 01:12:08,730
These are stats, I'm very
interested in day. Oh, goodness,

1111
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:13,260
no, thanks. Yeah, definitely,
let's this is value for value,

1112
01:12:13,260 --> 01:12:16,680
by the way. And if you would
like this to continue, not just

1113
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,100
this banter, but the whole
project, which seems to kind of

1114
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,370
be centered around podcasts.
index.org. Most of the people

1115
01:12:23,370 --> 01:12:26,280
who use it like to support it,
you never want it to go away.

1116
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:28,650
It's to say it's the other side
of the conversation about

1117
01:12:28,650 --> 01:12:32,100
regular payments that you want
to keep handing off to a podcast

1118
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:35,310
or sees the value block. It's it
all makes total sense. This is

1119
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:38,520
and I like I love that what you
said earlier that, you know,

1120
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:41,250
it's all value for value. And
there's many different ways we

1121
01:12:41,250 --> 01:12:45,660
can expand that and I completely
agree. And so one of that is

1122
01:12:45,690 --> 01:12:49,770
recurring donations, which
people do with us right now by

1123
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:53,460
by force, it has to be through
PayPal with the Fiat fun

1124
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:56,760
coupons, but we also get lots of
boosted grants. And if you want

1125
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,360
to support us go to podcast
index.org There is an on chain

1126
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,830
QR code there or at least a link
to one that you can can hit if

1127
01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:09,000
you which no one does. Or you
can just use the power button.

1128
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,420
And of course get a modern
podcast at podcast new podcast

1129
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:17,250
apps.com and boost us boost away
so let's we who do we have to

1130
01:13:17,250 --> 01:13:21,870
thank today. Oh, we get we get
we get? We have? This is from

1131
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:24,420
like two weeks since we were
off.

1132
01:13:24,450 --> 01:13:32,070
Yeah. We've got coming in right
off the top rss.com The boys in

1133
01:13:32,220 --> 01:13:37,950
the boys and gold they're $1,500
Wow.

1134
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:41,490
Shot Caller 20 blades on am

1135
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:44,610
Paul. That's what I'm talking
that's some value for value,

1136
01:13:44,610 --> 01:13:46,590
right is that that's the thing.
It's the biggest baller we've

1137
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:47,460
ever received.

1138
01:13:48,420 --> 01:13:53,100
We had one bigger baller than
that. And that was the anonymous

1139
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:54,420
cash donation in the pod.

1140
01:13:54,660 --> 01:14:01,080
Yes. That's right. Yeah. That
was pretty cool. I was Sir

1141
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:01,920
omnibus wasn't it?

1142
01:14:02,430 --> 01:14:08,190
I think that's I think that's
the speculation. Yes. Ben, Ben

1143
01:14:08,190 --> 01:14:12,120
in Alberta said to Dave and Adam
and everyone who has worked on

1144
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,570
the mission of the podcast index
in 2022. Thank you for all your

1145
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:19,200
time and and talents this year.
Because Because of you all

1146
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,050
podcasting is still open and
free Happy Holidays and Happy

1147
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:24,000
New Year from the team@rss.com

1148
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:30,240
Thank you guys so much. I got to
hit this 40 podcast. Thank you,

1149
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,450
thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
That is that's our month. That's

1150
01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:34,560
a month right there.

1151
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:35,970
Straight up.

1152
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:37,440
Thank you. Thank you.

1153
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:43,200
We also had Marco coming in with
500 again this thank you I'm

1154
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:43,530
gonna give

1155
01:14:43,530 --> 01:14:48,480
him a shot call off 20 his
blades only him Paula

1156
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,120
thank you very much Mark. I
highly appreciate and of course

1157
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,520
for him also value for value.
This is what you're seeing.

1158
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:57,780
These are people who have a
business. And so I don't mind if

1159
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:59,940
you if you placate them with
your stats

1160
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:03,629
Now now that we have now I
understand

1161
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:07,080
why you do this. Okay, I got it.
Yes it works good. Good work

1162
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,250
Dave more more hosting company
stats. I think it's working.

1163
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,300
It's it we'll do it we'll do a
feature every

1164
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:15,990
week. I love it.

1165
01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:23,010
I love it. The the live item tag
and that would be a really good

1166
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:28,110
fit for overcast I think it
makes a lot of sense. I lit we

1167
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:33,600
get Buzzsprout coming in with
$500 Wow, this

1168
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,620
is Blake on I am Paula

1169
01:15:37,650 --> 01:15:41,550
day if we shall have some some
bacon with our girl.

1170
01:15:44,430 --> 01:15:48,750
I mean, like we should take two
weeks off more often. This is

1171
01:15:48,750 --> 01:15:49,380
the way you do.

1172
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,590
All right. I was making money
while we sleep everybody.

1173
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:58,080
This fountain coming in with
$200 Thank you, Oscar.

1174
01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:01,170
Thank you guys. Thank you so
much. It's so cool.

1175
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,240
Yes, and we thank Tom and Kevin
in the in the guys over there

1176
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,800
Buzzsprout to very much

1177
01:16:07,889 --> 01:16:11,129
Joe. I actually hit the live
boosted grams that came in while

1178
01:16:11,129 --> 01:16:11,939
we were yakking.

1179
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,390
Let me let me do these two other
papers. We Oh, sure. Sure. Sure.

1180
01:16:15,570 --> 01:16:22,710
We got two more. Emilio Kondo
Molina sent us $20 A pound, no

1181
01:16:22,710 --> 01:16:29,160
note on that. And basil Philip
sent us actually a new automatic

1182
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,020
payment subscription for $25 a
month.

1183
01:16:31,650 --> 01:16:36,510
Thank you very much. Especially
those those monthlies, man, it

1184
01:16:36,510 --> 01:16:37,500
makes a big difference.

1185
01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:40,800
Well, we had we had a couple of
20 fives cancel cancel on the

1186
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:40,980
Pay

1187
01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:42,030
Pal. Yeah, the Pay Pal.

1188
01:16:42,570 --> 01:16:45,450
Yeah. Hey, pal, again. Yes. All
right, hit it.

1189
01:16:46,830 --> 01:16:53,940
Well, coming in 22 minutes ago
97,531 SATs from chimp who says

1190
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:57,000
love to have the duo back in
action? Any updates on the

1191
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,670
hackathon game Jennifer working
her magic?

1192
01:17:00,870 --> 01:17:04,350
We have we have discussed and
mandate Jennifer had discussed

1193
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:08,550
the hackathon. I think things
just get too busy. But maybe the

1194
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:11,490
new year I'll be picking up in
January now. Okay. And yeah, I

1195
01:17:11,490 --> 01:17:13,110
think we're gonna pick it up
January Jim

1196
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:22,440
says can I get a go podcast
podcast? 33,333 from Eric p p

1197
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:25,740
says welcome back. Thank you see
Brooklyn, one 112 Back to

1198
01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:30,810
businesses the booster gram
12345 sets. Tone record was row

1199
01:17:30,810 --> 01:17:34,950
ducks 2222 pod verse alert hit
for live so sending some welcome

1200
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:40,740
back sets. There you go. It
works. Blueberry 17,766 Big

1201
01:17:40,740 --> 01:17:46,080
Patriot boost. Live is lit and
all that shit. We got chip cost

1202
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,670
peatland noise that's now I'm in
I'm looking at my helipad Nam

1203
01:17:50,670 --> 01:17:53,910
into now. That's that's what we
that's what we had for the live

1204
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:56,250
boosts for now. Thank you. Thank
you very much.

1205
01:17:57,030 --> 01:18:01,380
Okay. You know, I'm sending out
a lot of a lot of piping

1206
01:18:01,380 --> 01:18:04,410
authorization headers popping
doc cloud this is this is good.

1207
01:18:04,650 --> 01:18:06,930
A lot of we're seeing a lot of
adoption last couple of weeks.

1208
01:18:07,230 --> 01:18:11,820
Good. We got some booster grams
from last two weeks we have

1209
01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:15,600
Mitch down a 10,000 SATs no
note. Thank you, Mitch.

1210
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,900
Appreciate that. Oscar merry
also known as Mary asked her

1211
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:22,470
10,000 SAS through fountain ad
says to add any fountain user to

1212
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:25,650
the split. You can find their
value block info with the custom

1213
01:18:25,650 --> 01:18:29,490
key custom value by clicking on
the bolt on their Web Profile

1214
01:18:29,490 --> 01:18:34,050
link and it gives the URL https
colon slash slash fountain dot

1215
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:37,320
him but data.fm/marry Oscar

1216
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:44,610
and big, big props to Steven B's
sovereign feeds Matt, he's this.

1217
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:48,270
I love this program. So he's
made it so that if you want to

1218
01:18:48,270 --> 01:18:52,170
add something to the value
block, and you do add new split,

1219
01:18:52,350 --> 01:18:57,180
you can also use lb fountain or
the V four V app to get the

1220
01:18:57,180 --> 01:19:02,760
credentials just by using the
the lightning the lightning

1221
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,580
address and it resolves it and
pre populates the fields. I

1222
01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:06,780
mean, it's beautiful.

1223
01:19:07,019 --> 01:19:14,969
That's cool. And that's so nice.
Yeah, yep. 2222 from John TMS.

1224
01:19:15,269 --> 01:19:22,139
No note. Thanks jaunty. WDS from
Blue ours from RSS blue. sent us

1225
01:19:22,139 --> 01:19:25,349
through fountain regarding
episode 111 discussion on the

1226
01:19:25,349 --> 01:19:30,269
formal definition of a schmuck.
Larry David put it best. There

1227
01:19:30,269 --> 01:19:33,779
are only two types of people
poor schmucks and rich pricks

1228
01:19:33,809 --> 01:19:35,039
there's no one in between.

1229
01:19:37,050 --> 01:19:38,760
I'm down with that. That makes I
like

1230
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:43,590
it. Yes. Right on Macintosh then
is 100 SAS which is low but but

1231
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:46,290
he says he had a good note here
balance of Satoshi sounds just

1232
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:49,560
like the type of thing I was
going to code and never get

1233
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,440
around to doing so glad someone
is handling this. I'll check it

1234
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:52,710
out.

1235
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,370
Oh man, that program has been
around for a while and has it's

1236
01:19:56,370 --> 01:19:57,840
a lot of it's bulletproof.

1237
01:19:58,410 --> 01:19:59,250
Is a Swiss army

1238
01:19:59,250 --> 01:20:02,220
knife. Yeah. as it is very,
very, very handy.

1239
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:08,550
Ralph he sent us 500 says it's a
loss of love rohlfing Daylin

1240
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,960
send us 6500 SATs they found and
he says, I don't have the dogs

1241
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,760
handy but Pleroma and it's
forks, a coma and rebased which

1242
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,490
are competing activity posts.
servers with Mastodon already

1243
01:20:20,490 --> 01:20:23,580
can be configured as an identity
provider for other services.

1244
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:29,580
Futures now, guys, okay, cool.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

1245
01:20:29,580 --> 01:20:34,560
Yeah. Identity. Yeah, federated
identity. I like it. George

1246
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,550
Orwell send us a row sticks 1111
through fountain nice says have

1247
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:44,310
you guys already looked into?
noster

1248
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:48,990
and this just pop up? Where did
I see this? noster business?

1249
01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:57,000
Yeah. noster GG mentioned it.
And Alex looked into it. Is this

1250
01:20:58,380 --> 01:21:01,860
telegram bot? Is that what
noster? Is? Is noster a bot?

1251
01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:07,020
I don't know. I have not looked
into it long enough to

1252
01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:12,450
understand what it is or what
it's about. I don't know. But I

1253
01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:12,780
have no

1254
01:21:12,780 --> 01:21:15,480
start. And Oster is I'm just
reading from the GitHub, the

1255
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:18,870
simplest open protocol that is
able to create a censorship

1256
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:26,700
resistant global social network
once and for all. And then it

1257
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:32,190
says join the telegram group.
Okay. That makes sense. Yeah,

1258
01:21:32,190 --> 01:21:34,560
you know what? It's like, oh,
there's all this stuff out

1259
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,490
there. And I'm gonna stick fast
to cross out comments on

1260
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:41,430
activity pub until until it
doesn't happen then I'm just

1261
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:44,370
going to gonna go with any wind
that blows my way.

1262
01:21:45,059 --> 01:21:47,849
I think Alex was concerned about
it, because he thinks a system

1263
01:21:47,849 --> 01:21:51,749
that let it enabling censorship
in some way. I don't know. I'll

1264
01:21:51,749 --> 01:21:52,529
have to ask him,

1265
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,320
but he's the guy to ask for
sure. Yeah, yeah.

1266
01:21:55,589 --> 01:21:58,679
But I don't know. I mean, I
don't want to please don't take

1267
01:21:58,679 --> 01:22:03,449
that as gospel because I don't
know. Mere Mortals podcast 3333

1268
01:22:03,449 --> 01:22:06,749
through fountain. Kira, and our
buddy over there streaming sets

1269
01:22:06,749 --> 01:22:10,319
is a dopamine drip more than a
dopamine hit. It still feels

1270
01:22:10,319 --> 01:22:13,799
crazy, like crazy good drugs,
but I'm not going to sell my

1271
01:22:13,799 --> 01:22:17,219
imaginary children to get more
mostly because I'm rich and SATs

1272
01:22:17,219 --> 01:22:20,159
afterwards and don't need I
don't need to boy

1273
01:22:22,260 --> 01:22:24,360
Okay, boy oh, boy.

1274
01:22:25,260 --> 01:22:28,110
Oh, our buddy Franco Celerio
developer of the cast ematic

1275
01:22:28,110 --> 01:22:32,760
app. Hello, send us a boost of
1000 Sassy says debugging new

1276
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,850
code or report failed Lightning
Network transactions to the user

1277
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:37,950
disregard this message no I'm
not going to disrupt

1278
01:22:37,980 --> 01:22:41,250
oh no no boost Thank you very
much Franco

1279
01:22:41,310 --> 01:22:45,210
Jean been sent us elite boost
1337 through cast ematic he says

1280
01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:47,700
I hope Buzzsprout takes your
idea on Oh authoring the

1281
01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:55,020
fediverse Me to floydian slips
5000 SATs through curio caster

1282
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,900
he says I don't want to I don't
always remember to boost but

1283
01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:01,980
when I do it's to bowl after
bowl. But that you boosted does

1284
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:02,490
it

1285
01:23:02,490 --> 01:23:05,070
really is a little low for a
promo boost.

1286
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:11,130
My Dale our buddy over blueberry
the Senior Vice President of

1287
01:23:11,130 --> 01:23:16,170
podcasting 2.0 relations. He
sent us a first album boost the

1288
01:23:16,170 --> 01:23:17,220
pod verse for 1000s

1289
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:21,120
in the in the chat room breaking
news pod save Dave Jones

1290
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,180
condemns noster for censorship
Now that's how you write a

1291
01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:27,600
headline that's how you that's
how you

1292
01:23:28,349 --> 01:23:35,039
I'm gonna hear about that 7777
Ooh, from Steve welcome striper

1293
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:38,549
boost works striper boost
through cast thematically says

1294
01:23:38,609 --> 01:23:44,099
regarding Christian rock metal
bands see skillet. S k i l l e t

1295
01:23:44,099 --> 01:23:44,699
skillet

1296
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:46,440
I don't do you remember skill it

1297
01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:47,790
never heard a skill it?

1298
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,200
I don't think I've ever heard of
me.

1299
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,160
Never heard it skill. Well, I
have a feeling we're about to

1300
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:53,520
hear some

1301
01:23:53,580 --> 01:23:56,430
i Well yeah. Are you kidding me?
I mean, I would never give up an

1302
01:23:56,430 --> 01:23:58,770
opportunity to play a little
skillet for you all to see

1303
01:23:58,770 --> 01:24:02,490
skillet psycho in my head. That
sounds like a good little heavy.

1304
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:04,800
Oh yeah. Oh,

1305
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:22,620
yeah. You ready? To stop singing
that's not good. It was all fine

1306
01:24:22,620 --> 01:24:25,890
until I started singing. I liked
the ear daggers not to sing

1307
01:24:26,340 --> 01:24:32,550
dynamite. 100,000 100,000 SATs.
Oh, wow. Okay, Linkin Park rules

1308
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:37,830
send us 100,000 SATs through pod
verse. Hey, Adam and Dave. Have

1309
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:41,160
you checked out what Matt Odell
has done with guys are fun for

1310
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,700
his V Furby podcast at adult
dispatch. He has his node

1311
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:47,760
connected to the campaign. So
the public can see all the

1312
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,060
boosts and says streamed in real
time with a leaderboard. Oh,

1313
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:52,770
yes, we need to talk polls.

1314
01:24:54,810 --> 01:25:00,600
Polls boost boost boost. I think
that the poll, I think Go went

1315
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,050
to that site I saw the
announcement but I didn't quite

1316
01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:07,410
get it but now if it's if it's
basically just displaying his

1317
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,170
Lee's leaderboards and stuff is
cool what was it called again

1318
01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:11,400
geyser what was it called

1319
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,000
geyser dot fund slash project
slash Citadel

1320
01:25:16,020 --> 01:25:18,000
hmm geyser dot fund

1321
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,410
I feel like I felt like is it
was missed here that Linkin Park

1322
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:32,310
rules and as 100,000 says it
feels like a baller is not a

1323
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:32,850
baller

1324
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:44,430
I mean compared to $500 This is
a Bala you should play on Bala

1325
01:25:44,430 --> 01:25:49,260
we see what he's doing here.
Okay, so it shows right

1326
01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:53,730
interesting play a part in world
changing ideas by contributing

1327
01:25:53,730 --> 01:25:57,780
to them and launching them on
geyser. Okay, I see the SAT

1328
01:25:57,780 --> 01:25:58,560
streaming in

1329
01:26:00,630 --> 01:26:01,980
I don't know what guys are it
kind of

1330
01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:08,130
looks like a front facing
helipad. Yeah. Which by the way

1331
01:26:08,130 --> 01:26:11,550
I want people to know is still
the best way to get the most

1332
01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:13,260
accurate export from your node.

1333
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:20,370
I mean, just just to be clear,
hella pad has an API. Oh, yeah.

1334
01:26:20,370 --> 01:26:23,190
query it if you want to get
stats and display them on a on a

1335
01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:24,570
public website.

1336
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:30,570
Yeah. And, and yeah, and I love
Saturn and, and contracts, but

1337
01:26:30,570 --> 01:26:33,180
they don't always catch
everything. You know, there's

1338
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:36,720
still work in progress. It's
beta. It's beta says it's all

1339
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,330
beta. Hello, or makes any of
this show works. Hello.

1340
01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:42,780
That's right. Yeah. It always it
always makes me so it always

1341
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:46,440
gives me lots of encouragement
when I see that. Like that.

1342
01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:52,350
Lightning Labs is releasing.
Fixed lnd they d o v 15.1 Dash

1343
01:26:52,350 --> 01:26:53,430
beta, like

1344
01:26:54,900 --> 01:26:58,950
right now. And I'm updating
always at midnight, you know,

1345
01:26:58,950 --> 01:27:02,820
like here we go. Dave. You know,
look,

1346
01:27:02,850 --> 01:27:06,540
I don't look I just wake up in
the morning and see the see the

1347
01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:09,840
butt clenching are still
working. Yes. Good. Good. Good.

1348
01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:13,530
Oh, Mike Dell back again. 5000
SAS pod verse. He says Happy

1349
01:27:13,530 --> 01:27:15,900
turkey day. Go podcasting. Oh,
boy.

1350
01:27:15,930 --> 01:27:17,340
Thank you. Podcast.

1351
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,320
Steve Wilkinson back again
through cast. Manik he says

1352
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:26,040
thanks for all you do for
podcasting. 33 333 Nice. Thank

1353
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:26,610
you, Steve.

1354
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:31,980
Thank you, Steve. Gene Everett
25,000. SAS he says boost boost.

1355
01:27:32,130 --> 01:27:35,550
By the way I'm back on Twitter,
so follow me and no agenda and

1356
01:27:35,550 --> 01:27:37,680
podcasting. 2.0 fam. Oh, we

1357
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:38,790
got unbanned huh?

1358
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:48,090
Gene, Gene every 33 Okay, cool.
As he says a follow up booths of

1359
01:27:48,090 --> 01:27:52,260
3333 to correct a typo in the
previous booths. He says I mean,

1360
01:27:52,290 --> 01:27:58,470
podcasting. 2.0 not 2.9 No,
gotcha. Nomad and nomadic coder

1361
01:27:58,950 --> 01:28:02,850
sent a boost of 1555 He says
earlier this year, you played

1362
01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:05,550
clips with James Montgomery
Boice. In this week, you

1363
01:28:05,550 --> 01:28:09,000
mentioned Alvin Plantinga. These
are names I would never have

1364
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,300
imagined out here on an Adam
curry podcast. Well,

1365
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:16,020
well, you never know. It's Adam
curry, Dave Jones joint so

1366
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:18,300
that's why you heard it. You
still wouldn't hear that from

1367
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:21,690
me. You're the pod sage brother.

1368
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:28,860
Roy scheinfeld. Hello. Hello,
Roy. 54321 through breeze and he

1369
01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:30,420
says I love Adam and Dave.

1370
01:28:31,170 --> 01:28:32,670
We love you too.

1371
01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:33,810
We love you too.

1372
01:28:34,170 --> 01:28:38,490
In a world where Roy loves Adam
and Dave and Adam and Dave love

1373
01:28:38,490 --> 01:28:48,150
Roy back. Showers and bros bro.
What do you say, bro? Hugs bro

1374
01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:53,280
hugs. We gotta get our ass over
to Israel, that's for sure.

1375
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,830
Yeah, we gotta go hang with Roy.
He's a party animal.

1376
01:28:56,220 --> 01:28:57,300
That's a great trail. He

1377
01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:00,630
calls he calls me like oh, I had
said Adam I had such a I was

1378
01:29:00,630 --> 01:29:03,420
partying all night. On Sunday.
Sounds like Arnold

1379
01:29:03,420 --> 01:29:03,960
Schwarzenegger

1380
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:05,190
was just like Roy

1381
01:29:08,130 --> 01:29:09,180
I was partying

1382
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:16,290
of London in the hive Dao
118,596 knots

1383
01:29:18,780 --> 01:29:22,140
20 blades on I am Paula thank
you.

1384
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,920
He says in Israel if someone has
crooked teeth as I do, the

1385
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:33,810
Hebrew expression is shunned.
I'm anglais literally English I

1386
01:29:33,810 --> 01:29:35,580
really should fix my teeth too.

1387
01:29:35,850 --> 01:29:39,090
Well, I got a great address for
you and before this is all over

1388
01:29:39,090 --> 01:29:41,250
he'll be accepting bitcoin FYI.

1389
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,780
QR code for you go under That's
right.

1390
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,120
Good to go. Mr. Curry.

1391
01:29:49,530 --> 01:29:53,700
100,000 SATs from Bhumi overdale
Be nice. Oh,

1392
01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:55,770
no, I gotta hit a ball every
single

1393
01:29:56,219 --> 01:30:02,549
play. Ball is my fault. The
podcast index app. Oh, that's

1394
01:30:02,549 --> 01:30:04,919
us. That's the website and he
says, oh, cool catching up with

1395
01:30:04,919 --> 01:30:08,009
some of the past episodes after
the adopting Bitcoin Conference.

1396
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:09,749
Cheers from El Salvador.

1397
01:30:10,110 --> 01:30:14,220
Wow, he was no Salvador. Nice.
So I got some reports about El

1398
01:30:14,220 --> 01:30:17,730
Salvador. From various people in
the media.

1399
01:30:17,850 --> 01:30:22,560
If you're is if this is the Alex
Trebek pronunciation. It's El

1400
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:23,970
Salvador, El Salvador.

1401
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,800
Well, there's a lot of cinema
about El Salvador. And let me

1402
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:34,500
tell you what the finance people
say. Okay. It is definitely it's

1403
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:38,190
definitely true that it is, you
know, that everything is alive

1404
01:30:38,190 --> 01:30:42,180
and reviving. And the Bitcoin
story has something to do with

1405
01:30:42,180 --> 01:30:45,900
that. But to think that everyone
accepts Bitcoin, it's all hunky

1406
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:50,130
dory and the Chivo, or chives
app works is not exactly true.

1407
01:30:50,130 --> 01:30:54,660
It's all still a little bit as
you would expect, buggy. But

1408
01:30:54,660 --> 01:30:59,700
every single every report from
El Salvador is, is always so

1409
01:30:59,700 --> 01:31:04,770
incredibly positive that I'm
like, so it's definitely doing

1410
01:31:04,770 --> 01:31:08,040
well, but it's not quite up
there with what you might

1411
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,110
expect. That's, that's the
report. That's the report I'm

1412
01:31:10,110 --> 01:31:10,530
getting.

1413
01:31:11,130 --> 01:31:14,100
I mean, financially, they were
in such bad shape. You gotta

1414
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:16,200
imagine it's just going to take
a long time to dig out of that

1415
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:16,620
hole,

1416
01:31:16,740 --> 01:31:19,950
then, which is just the Bitcoin
beach and the infrastructure,

1417
01:31:19,950 --> 01:31:22,650
you know, it's like, yeah, it's
getting there for sure. Because,

1418
01:31:22,650 --> 01:31:27,120
you know, it's it's it's legal,
legal currency. But very, very

1419
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,180
few people are using it,
honestly, tourists are using it,

1420
01:31:30,660 --> 01:31:31,200
which is good

1421
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:35,190
time. There's a anytime there's
a there's too much government

1422
01:31:35,190 --> 01:31:38,730
control, and too much government
interference in an economy.

1423
01:31:39,090 --> 01:31:44,340
There always is a thriving black
market. So the because the black

1424
01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:47,460
market becomes the black market
is actually the real market,

1425
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,900
because the the official market
ceases to function correctly. So

1426
01:31:51,930 --> 01:31:55,560
you'll never be able to tell the
health and then economy by the

1427
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:00,300
official government metrics,
because that's not the real

1428
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:01,080
market anymore. And

1429
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,120
why don't you get in there and
let them know what the health is

1430
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,880
their economy, you can look up
the stats package for it.

1431
01:32:06,210 --> 01:32:09,000
I do abroad. wadded up dirt on
the floor.

1432
01:32:11,070 --> 01:32:12,570
Are you mad at me about that?

1433
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:13,950
No, no, I

1434
01:32:13,950 --> 01:32:18,150
love that you love me is
different from being mad at me.

1435
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:22,740
Yes, you can be mad at someone
and love them dearly.

1436
01:32:22,740 --> 01:32:27,810
Absolutely. Bumi sent 21,000
SATs again and he says podcast

1437
01:32:27,810 --> 01:32:31,440
and he says listening to you is
so incredibly exciting. And it

1438
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,500
is so good to hear others having
such productive conversations

1439
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:37,650
and caring about the values that
make me work on open web stuff.

1440
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,580
Since ever. Podcasting 2.0
brings back a lot of my past

1441
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:43,140
excitement about the early web.

1442
01:32:43,260 --> 01:32:46,710
Can I just stop for a moment and
just stop you for a moment as

1443
01:32:46,710 --> 01:32:51,390
him I'd like us all to consider
that it was only 80 years ago. I

1444
01:32:51,390 --> 01:32:58,290
mean 80 years you know people
who are older than 80 Right 80

1445
01:32:58,290 --> 01:33:04,140
years ago our boys were out
shooting it their boys trying to

1446
01:33:04,140 --> 01:33:10,380
kill each other in France you
know, and it's just beautiful to

1447
01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:16,350
see you know I really mean this
I love seeing all these

1448
01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:19,860
different maybe because I grew
up in the Netherlands that I'm

1449
01:33:19,860 --> 01:33:23,790
that I'm so aware of really
recent history global history

1450
01:33:23,790 --> 01:33:26,850
and how pissed off everybody was
that we'd bomb each other and

1451
01:33:26,850 --> 01:33:30,840
kill each other and world war
two and here we are all excited

1452
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,600
working together the technology
has connected us just wanted to

1453
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,550
take a moment just want to say
it's beautiful.

1454
01:33:36,270 --> 01:33:38,070
freedom and openness

1455
01:33:38,099 --> 01:33:38,729
yes

1456
01:33:38,849 --> 01:33:42,689
yes it created yields dividends
right

1457
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,780
and let us let us be careful
with that you know there's a lot

1458
01:33:45,780 --> 01:33:49,830
of a holes in the in the in the
liberal world order because

1459
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:53,550
they'd like to call it who wants
to divide us based order the

1460
01:33:53,550 --> 01:33:56,850
rules based order who wanted to
bite us and want to make us mad

1461
01:33:56,850 --> 01:33:59,580
at each other and there's no
reason because we all get along

1462
01:33:59,580 --> 01:34:02,400
and we love each other and we're
doing good stuff we're creative

1463
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:06,510
together and so when he says how
excited he is I want to play

1464
01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:13,680
that back and say you know we'd
like you knew Germans you're

1465
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,880
good guys. You are Yes. And
we're not bad either when the

1466
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,400
Americans kind of dickish here
and there but we're working

1467
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,990
everywhere Pretty much yeah,

1468
01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:29,130
there's a list Yeah, floaty and
slips 2000 SATs there Curio

1469
01:34:29,130 --> 01:34:32,670
caster. Thank you and he says,
Just found your show. Listen to

1470
01:34:32,670 --> 01:34:35,760
the last one and thought of a
name for a full access show

1471
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,830
called ch mod 777.

1472
01:34:40,530 --> 01:34:41,250
As funny

1473
01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:47,430
like that's a good one. Don't
record 3333 He says the week

1474
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:50,250
seems bland when you two aren't
holding a board meeting for us

1475
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:53,400
plebs to drop in. Oh no, wait,
wait. We will take exception to

1476
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:57,060
that. You are not a pleb you are
a full member of the board.

1477
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,330
Exactly. Board Member but on
your business card. Put on your

1478
01:35:00,330 --> 01:35:00,960
LinkedIn.

1479
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:05,100
That's right. Looking forward to
the episode return and a hefty

1480
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:08,070
set of updates to catch up on
speedy recovery has hopefully

1481
01:35:08,070 --> 01:35:10,920
occurred for Adam already by the
time the SATs move over.

1482
01:35:10,980 --> 01:35:13,860
Indeed, indeed. And I appreciate
all the thoughts, prayers and

1483
01:35:13,860 --> 01:35:16,200
everything everybody sent. It
really helped made a big

1484
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,670
difference to me. Appreciate it.

1485
01:35:18,210 --> 01:35:20,880
And following up with the
delimiter is comma strip blogger

1486
01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:26,460
Hello 33 015 through fountain
and he says, howdy, David, Adam.

1487
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,910
So thank you for your service
for podcasting. 2.0 And let's

1488
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:33,630
hope that 2.0 features will
reach mainstream someday and

1489
01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:36,840
your audience is invited to
listen to AI dot cooking podcast

1490
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,750
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1491
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:44,910
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1492
01:35:44,910 --> 01:35:50,610
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1493
01:35:50,610 --> 01:35:54,270
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1494
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:58,890
Thank you very much CSP every
single, every single podcast he

1495
01:35:58,890 --> 01:36:05,070
supports. So cause as harsh as
baby, you bet. Yeah, my mouth is

1496
01:36:05,070 --> 01:36:06,840
a little askew now. Like,

1497
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:08,970
we got to wrap this, but

1498
01:36:11,250 --> 01:36:13,920
they're kind of getting there.
But it's more like the molars

1499
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,620
now have a different bite. As
you know what's cool about what

1500
01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:20,880
happened though. I put the
headphones on for the first time

1501
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:26,130
on Wednesday, it had been a good
week. And right away, I noticed

1502
01:36:26,130 --> 01:36:31,710
my hearing has improved. Oh, and
interesting. And it's it's all

1503
01:36:31,710 --> 01:36:34,260
connected. And also my allergy.
This is one of the reasons is

1504
01:36:34,260 --> 01:36:37,410
for health reasons. Also,
because I had low grade

1505
01:36:37,410 --> 01:36:42,120
infection in in the, in my bone
of my upper jaw, which was

1506
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,970
starting to affect my sinuses,
which is why for 10 years, I

1507
01:36:44,970 --> 01:36:48,120
thought I had allergies, but it
was really when I'm chewing so I

1508
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,510
go to a restaurant in Austin,
and then we'd be having dinner,

1509
01:36:51,690 --> 01:36:54,720
and all sudden, I get near my
nose and my eyes are running my

1510
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:59,130
nose. And it's just disgusting.
I have to go and blow my nose

1511
01:36:59,130 --> 01:37:02,130
and all this stuff. And I
thought it's damn Aaron Austin.

1512
01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:05,850
But of course it's the eating
the pressure, it would aggravate

1513
01:37:05,850 --> 01:37:11,520
the the inflammation. And so
that probably also since it's

1514
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,800
all connected, affected my
hearing.

1515
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,800
That's really odd that that is
one of those things that you

1516
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,160
wouldn't that's just one of
those things you would never

1517
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:24,540
like put the two and two
together.

1518
01:37:24,690 --> 01:37:25,710
Of course not.

1519
01:37:27,060 --> 01:37:30,210
That's so strange. I mean,
that's awesome. Because you I

1520
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:31,800
mean, your hearing is critical.

1521
01:37:32,190 --> 01:37:37,830
Well, it's weird because what it
is, is I really got I got more

1522
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:42,390
high end back for some reason.
Which is it's interesting.

1523
01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:47,850
Well, you know this, they're not
not really on the same base.

1524
01:37:47,850 --> 01:37:50,370
It's kind of similar. You know,
my daughter, my daughter, my

1525
01:37:50,370 --> 01:37:55,980
youngest, she had a skin
infection in her face. But about

1526
01:37:55,980 --> 01:38:00,480
three weeks ago, and so like it
was cellulitis so and they think

1527
01:38:00,510 --> 01:38:04,860
oh, she's got braces? Ah yeah,
they think they should get an

1528
01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:09,390
old sir from her braces. And
some bacteria get into her

1529
01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:14,760
cheek, which ended up in a went
up to her eyes below her. I was

1530
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:15,900
very puffy. I was like,

1531
01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:18,210
I was thinking of her because
that could happen that could

1532
01:38:18,210 --> 01:38:20,220
have happened with me the exact
same thing.

1533
01:38:20,610 --> 01:38:23,640
Yeah, and this cellulitis is I
mean, that's like a big deal.

1534
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:28,380
But she was on some heavy, like
shockingly high antibiotics

1535
01:38:28,380 --> 01:38:33,120
like, like, to the point where
the pharmacist was like, Are you

1536
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,570
sure this is right? She actually
called the hospital really into

1537
01:38:36,690 --> 01:38:38,730
Yeah, because she was like this
is a lot.

1538
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,790
What do you know what it was a
joke. Do you know what it was?

1539
01:38:41,790 --> 01:38:42,300
What kind of

1540
01:38:42,990 --> 01:38:48,390
antibiotics there was? It was
Bactrim and? And augmentin, but

1541
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:51,720
both doses were like extremely
high. They were it was like

1542
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:52,980
every four hours.

1543
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,890
And it was that was the right
one that was the right dosage.

1544
01:38:56,190 --> 01:38:56,820
Yeah, they said

1545
01:38:56,820 --> 01:38:59,790
that she they said they thought
the effective. They said they

1546
01:38:59,790 --> 01:39:04,860
thought that basically she was
just below the threshold of

1547
01:39:04,860 --> 01:39:08,250
having to do IV antibiotics and
so they should still do oral.

1548
01:39:09,420 --> 01:39:14,040
Yeah, it was the colitis is one
of the more dangerous infections

1549
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:19,530
to get. So we were kind of
freaked out. Yeah. I know your

1550
01:39:19,530 --> 01:39:21,000
mouth infections are no joke.

1551
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,030
Now. What's cool now is if I
stand on one leg and I

1552
01:39:24,030 --> 01:39:27,060
positioned myself a little bit
north northwest, I can receive

1553
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:35,310
60 meters in the air. Started
33.

1554
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,620
out straight straight from the
Omnisphere two you're just

1555
01:39:40,620 --> 01:39:40,950
right.

1556
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:43,620
This is incredible. It's
incredible with modern science

1557
01:39:43,620 --> 01:39:45,720
and technology can do. It's
really amazing.

1558
01:39:45,810 --> 01:39:47,700
We've got some monthlies. You
want to run them? Yeah, of

1559
01:39:47,700 --> 01:39:52,620
course. Please, please, please.
We've got let's see here, pod

1560
01:39:52,620 --> 01:39:58,470
verse $50. Thanking bankers, pod
news. $50. They dry Thanks,

1561
01:39:58,470 --> 01:40:04,620
James. Yeah, Paul air skin
$11.14 Michael Gagan $5 Charles

1562
01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:09,660
current $5 Christopher Raymer
$10 James Sullivan $10 Sean

1563
01:40:09,660 --> 01:40:16,050
McCune $20 Cohen glotzbach $5
Jordan Dunnville $10 dribs Scott

1564
01:40:16,290 --> 01:40:23,730
$15. Lesley Martin $2 Michael
Kimmerer $5.33 Aaron Renaud $5

1565
01:40:23,730 --> 01:40:30,330
Pedro gone calvess $5 Chad
Farrow $20.22 Scott Jalbert $12

1566
01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:35,970
Mark Graham $1 New Media $1.
David metus. $10. Joseph maraca

1567
01:40:35,970 --> 01:40:43,170
$5. Jeremy knew $5 Cameron rows
$25 Lauren ball $24.20

1568
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:48,180
Christopher horrible Eric $10
and our buddy Mitch Downey $10.

1569
01:40:49,020 --> 01:40:51,930
Thank you all. So very much.
Remember when you're supporting

1570
01:40:52,230 --> 01:40:54,570
through these methods, when
you're supporting through value

1571
01:40:54,570 --> 01:40:58,650
for value in one of the podcasts
and 2.0 apps, you're supporting

1572
01:40:58,650 --> 01:41:03,960
the whole system. So you and
today you're supporting Alex and

1573
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:06,900
Steven crater who worked very
hard on getting pod paying up

1574
01:41:06,900 --> 01:41:10,500
and running, you're supporting
multiple apps, I mean, really,

1575
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:13,980
you're supporting a lot of the
system and that works that way

1576
01:41:14,370 --> 01:41:17,670
for this podcast, but it also
works supporting your favorite

1577
01:41:17,670 --> 01:41:20,700
podcasts and I think the big
takeaway from the board meeting

1578
01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:24,630
today was that it's all value
for value as long as we respect

1579
01:41:25,530 --> 01:41:27,810
respect the splits one way or
the other.

1580
01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:30,690
And the teacher by the way,
respect the splits

1581
01:41:32,010 --> 01:41:36,420
thank you I needed a title There
you go There it is. Yeah,

1582
01:41:36,420 --> 01:41:39,600
respect the splits All right,
well, maybe we should have

1583
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,660
another maybe another t shirt
which is like I'll put you my

1584
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:43,740
value block baby

1585
01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:48,120
too long and have to wrap around
the bat just

1586
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:51,210
a thought just a thought
anything else for the for the

1587
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:51,990
for the wrap up?

1588
01:41:54,210 --> 01:41:57,930
I'm good let's not do it. Let's
not wait. Let's not do this this

1589
01:41:57,930 --> 01:41:59,370
long. Between shows again,
though. It's

1590
01:42:00,570 --> 01:42:03,870
I'm sorry. I didn't know what to
do with myself. Getting surgery.

1591
01:42:05,820 --> 01:42:08,700
Alright everybody, we will be
back here next week folks show

1592
01:42:08,700 --> 01:42:11,550
with podcasting. 2.0 Please join
us at the board meeting Dave

1593
01:42:11,550 --> 01:42:12,390
we'll see you then brother.

1594
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:33,030
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