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podcasting 2.0 for October
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hello everybody. And once again
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Adam curry here in the heart of
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Alabama ladies, they'll get to
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to my friend on the other end
Mr. Dame Jones

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were early victims of the
tredinnick

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not you know if only they had
used tried Demick instead, they

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use triple Demmick which is dumb
is bad marketing.

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What would the twin demic was
the one the previous one yes. So

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this is the I guess they
couldn't they didn't set the

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standard with by by dynamic they
had to go that it gets keep with

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the same off off label usage. So
they went with try triple

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Dimmick.

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Now we discussed this on no
agenda, and we decided that it

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was bad marketing because if you
say dried Demick it sounds kind

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of scary. If you say triple
Demmick it sounds like something

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you'd get at McDonald's.

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Or a ride at an amusement ride.
Yes,

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it's a triple Demmick I want to
go on the trip with David daddy.

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The like the sense it's like a
rat in The Simpsons area of

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Universal Studios. Exactly.
Mary, Mary marigold my youngest

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my 12 year old she

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beautiful. Marigold. Thank you.
Do you call her Mary for short

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or just hey, you know what,

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when when everything's when
times are good. Yeah, it's Mary

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Mary

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and Mary gold. Yeah. Yeah,

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she woke up this morning with
fever. Then my wife's coffin and

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everything. Like oh crap, you

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see, triple damage down for the
count. Super bug. We're all

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gonna die who has monkey pox
these days.

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But it's coming. It just weighs
it's gonna be the next big thing

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just you just got to wait. It's
not here yet.

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Now just briefly, say my empty
nester now, how you doing proper

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Alright, it's I'm getting there.

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You'll be laughing about this
and it's six months.

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It's been rough man. I'm Miss
missed the hell out of my kids.

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So you just had the one left?

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Yeah, we spent. I mean, we spent
20 years

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trying to get rid of them.

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Ya know, in the trenches, I
mean, like, not just not just

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with we didn't just have kids we
like had day I had to manage

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them on a daily basis. You know,
now then they leave and you're

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like, Ah, crap. You're like
should we play a board game?

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What exactly should

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the little shit I know.

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I understand. We have that
crocheted on a pillow the little

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shifts a

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little shit. Hey, nice to see
the pod verse livestream page.

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That was kind of a cool idea.

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It's a very cool idea. I mean,

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pod verse.fm/live streams I
think let me see. Let's Yeah, it

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is and there we are. We're live
it shows us live and it shows us

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pending before and it shows the
100% Retro stream live it shows

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curio caster live which is I
didn't know Steven B had a

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stream

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I didn't I think that may be the
in a stream I don't think that

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it actually him let me see
because I leave it in it. I told

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you it is thinks that may be the
in a struggle you better cut

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that off its inception. We're
gonna we're gonna die. Melt the

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internet.

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Well, that's that's okay. So I
have a good question about this

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right off the bat. Is this a
value for value? Just check.

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There's a link to the live
stream things it's like a May

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it's a first class citizen right
there on the left hand side of

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pod verse that FM

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Oh, yeah, no, I know I saw that
cool. But so Okay, so this curio

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caster stream now this is
interesting, because I think it

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was Chad F who said to me hey,
can you make a feed of the no

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agenda livestream? Like Well,
that's cuz I did the feed for

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100% retro, which I love how
curio casters promoting it a

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little little banner there had
you heard it yet? And I said,

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Oh, that's a good idea. We
should do that. And then as I

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was thinking about it, this is
an interesting challenge.

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Because the no agenda stream is
used for podcasts, and

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increasingly more live shows.
I'd say I don't know what the

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ratio is. But there's a lot of
people going live particularly

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since the lit tag came into
existence, because there's

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boosting and there's interaction
that's fun. And man that is it.

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Is a bowl for bowl who have you
know, you trigger a certain

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amount of SATs and a goat sound
goes off and No, that's, that's

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behind the behind the schemes,
right? So yeah, Insanity is

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beautiful. But if no, I love
this, I wish that was packaged,

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I wish I could use it. I mean, I
love those things, those little

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breaks, I'd set it really high
and like I want the bell to go

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off and fireworks and so all
this stuff. But if we do it on

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the stream, and then people are
listening to the no agenda

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stream, the feed that I set up,
that mean, there is currently no

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way to dynamically switch the
value block based upon metadata

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coming from the spring from the
stream or something else.

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Because otherwise, it'll just go
into whatever splits or whatever

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I determined. And I feel it'd be
beautiful, if somehow we can, we

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can. It's kind of follows on
what we talked about. On the

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last show where 100% retro, they
want to be able to trigger pod

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ping events. But it's kind of
more interesting, when you can

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trigger just based upon the
metadata of the stream, a switch

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in the value block. I'm not sure
where that happens or how that

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works. But you understand that
the basic issue why it wouldn't

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be right for me to have an
overall stream whereas it would

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value for value. And if people
are listening and curio caster

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and the listening to you know,
Jean and and Darren and they

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want to boost they'd be there
wouldn't be boosting them

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directly. If that makes sense.
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Yeah, I understand exactly what
you say. This is the thing that

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I brought up last week that you
told me was no problem because

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icecast had metadata and there's
not a problem.

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Right? But I mean, it has
metadata data, but how do we how

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do we catch it? How do we how do
you dynamically change the

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block? How does all that work?

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I think that first thing
wouldn't be pod pay, I mean, pod

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pain, makes sense that there
would be a pod paying event that

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fires off. Like that we'll see.
So what you're doing like this,

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the, I guess we get about it,
let's let's let's back up here

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for a second. So there's like a
bunch of different things that

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we need to talk about in around
this entire idea of stream of

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feeds, with things in them that
don't have items. So we won't

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have

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I have items now. I mean, I feel
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I didn't do that initially with
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they actually cutting promos
every week. That's, you know,

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this week on 100%. Retro and I
make that an item?

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Because I don't feel like you
should have items. Okay, I

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disagree. I don't

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think I didn't put it in and it
broke a lot of shit. So that was

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my that was my cue. It was like,
Oh, I think I need items.

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Right. So let's go down there
reference eight. So the I mean,

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the first I think we talked last
week. I think Harv has right, I

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think the chat. I think we
talked about somehow attaching a

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chapters file.

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Right? Right, right. Live
chapters. Yes, we did talk about

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that. That would

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be one way to do it. But then
again, I think if you if you if

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we if we, you know, rewind here,
if we go back to the original

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concept of a live item, then the
live item is not meant to

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specify a stream, it's meant to
specify an event. Yeah, event

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would be the change of DJ or the
change of show. So you would

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have a feed that would have
multiple live items in it. All

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with pending, except one of them
is live. And then the next one,

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that one rolls off in the and
the next one goes live. So like

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your so that's the way it's
supposed to work.

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And then the value block changes
automatically.

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Right? So you would just need to
send another pod ping to say

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live, and it would reference the
same stream and then things

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would refresh writing in the
value block would come through.

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My My head's exploding. That's
very cool. We basically have all

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the bits there.

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Yeah, I think it's already it's
the problems already solved. The

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issue is that nobody's doing a
feed that looks like that. So we

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don't see. Like, like, we don't
see it. Okay, so perception

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issue,

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right. So what would basically
have to happen this case? So if

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I put in 24 hours of it, by the
way, I have no commercial

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involvement. I just liked this
guy. I've known him for 100

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years. He used to book me on
gigs in Belgium, and, you know,

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he's just, he's just a dude
trying to do something

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different. And I appreciate it.
Could I would fill up 24 hours

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which would say be like five
different blocks of, you know,

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or six different blocks of four
or our or something like that

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and put them pending in the
feed? The only thing that would

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then still because the feed will
read them and we'll know okay,

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that one's dead. This is this is
the next this is the next one,

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but somewhere it has to flip to
live in the in the feed, so that

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that would be a logic that logic
would be on the publishing side.

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Yes, that's right. You know,
actually, I think,

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do you think Stephen B is
already built it? I mean, he's

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getting just excuses about being
cut up and stuff. But um,

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yeah, I mean, like he got, he
got knifed in the gut 20 times

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or something like,

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Oh, my goodness, I'm so happy.
He's okay. We got real quiet

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around him like, oh, no, this is
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good. I'm looking at live on him
real quick, because I find out

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if I remember,

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I find this incredibly exciting.
By the way, I don't know why.

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But I just and I still am not
getting Todd's new media show.

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Live pod pings.

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That assay this time we'll see.
I'm trying to look and see what

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the attribute. Okay, so status
start and end are all required.

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Which is real easy with a with a
linear radio stream, you know

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exactly when it stops, which is
kind of cool.

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And that could be CMS can just
drop that thing. Well,

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you could also it could be
automatically generated by their

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playout system.

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So yeah, just come just
straight. And just to try and

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just translate that right into
XML. Yeah,

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they have, they have a full full
scheduling system. With all the

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metadata, everything's in there.

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See, this is what Sam says he
needs for his river radios.

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Well, this would be the same
exact scenario you just wrote,

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he just run that playout system
into XML to generate the feeds,

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I use em air list. And that's
something that's highly

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configurable, you can do script
some stuff. So that might be

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some of the low.

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Well, okay, so this, but on the
broader, sort of, like on the on

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the bigger view here, this
brings up what we were talking

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about while ago, which is having
a feed that has nothing in there

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has no items in it. And this
this can, if you will permit me,

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I would like to also bring in a
discussion of the podcast remote

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item tag, which is phase six.
Yes, of course. Because I think

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they are tangential to one
another. So the

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just don't use don't use big
words like tangential me just

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hit me like I'm five please
share.

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The podcast remote item tag is
going to suffer suffer the same

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sort of limbo as as a feed as
the live item. Because what you

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can imagine is a we'll go over
remote on a second, but you can

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imagine is a feed and RSS 2.0
feed that has no item tags in

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it. And off the bat that is
fine. According to the according

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to the RSS 2.0 spec, it's fine
to have a chance to have an RSS

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feed versus 2.0 feed with just a
channel that has zero items in

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it. It's just

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a parsing issue and decision
that the client makes. Yeah,

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in the language says quote any
the channel can have quote any

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number of items. Zero. Yeah, so
that means if any number or zero

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is a number so we can have zero

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with a zero exist.

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Zero in Infinity do not exist.
Yeah, but they are numbers. Oh.

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So this so it's valid XML it's
valid RSS. And so that means

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it's it's okay. So if we put in
a bunch if we have a feed like

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we're talking about with the
100% Retro a feed with a whole

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bunch of let's just say for the
for our blocks has six live item

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tags in it that all rotate and
move up as the thing goes

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through. That's fine. I just it
like the problem is the podcast

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index website does not recognize
is not displaying remote live

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items yet. So it looks like that
it looks like the feed doesn't

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have anything in it. That's Yes,
it does. So that's

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that's our course. Our parser
decision Right exactly. In that

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in those lot of those live items
are actually in the database.

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We're just nobody has a website.

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Nobody's right. Nobody has done
that. No one cares. No one wants

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to help

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and lazy when when I say nobody
that's a deflection that's

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pointing the finger at somebody
else besides me. Because why

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would I ever do something like
that? I'm telling you man, never

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never ever such a lazy guys are
in here.

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So explain to me remote item
again.

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Okay, so remote item. And he
just, he just updated the spec

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for it. This is Alex's proposal
remote item list, I will read

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from our read from this
proposal. The intent of this

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proposal is to provide a tag
that allows another item to be

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referenced without outright
copying it. This shouldn't be an

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item in another feed entirely.
So this is like a playlist.

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Gotcha. Yeah,

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that's, that's really what this
is supposed to be, um, you can

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have a remote item. It's
perfectly valid to have a remote

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item in a normal RSS feed that
has items. But you can really

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see the power of this that that
would in that scenario, me back

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up in that scenario, that would
prevent you from doing things

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from hand to do funky stuff like
air dropping another person's

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episode into your RSS feed.

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Right? So the the item to be
inserted can be an item or even

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a channel can only be an item
itself.

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Yes. So you would have an item
in let's just say, Oh, perfect

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example here. Immediate show.
The there live episode from

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Podcast Movement. James was a
guest on that show. So he just

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used that episode, Todd said
it's cool if you just use this

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episode and drop this enclosure
into your foot

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whereas it would have been easy
for him just to say remote item

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boom and points to that.

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points to the media show feed
and that good and he doesn't

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have to drop another person's
feed enclosure into his I mean

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feed item into his RSS feed.

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So what you automatically want
at least what I automatically

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want? No, Nevermind. Nevermind.
Um, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, I'm just trying to think, Is
this more? Because you're James

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is I'm just going to guess you
would not use that in that case,

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because he wants his own
branding around the episode he

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wants to explain in his words,
what, what what this episode is

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about. And so in that case, you
really only limited the mp3. So

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this seems this remote item
seems more applicable to music

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for creating playlists than
anything else. Because then then

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you really want to give the
creator of that item. The full

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control over what how that
surface is not just the the

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media file, but also the album
art and transcripts, which might

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be lyrics, etc. That's where it
seems like super important.

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Yes, I think you're exactly
right. I think what,

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but Alex designed it with that
in mind. Oh, yeah,

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of course. Yeah, it's exactly
what it was for. The remote item

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has utility outside of a
playlist context. But play with

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play lists are really where it's
distinction. I

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think we should talk about it in
the context of what it was

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designed for. So it's not about
James dropping in an episode.

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It's about me putting together a
mixtape from my lover Dave.

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Oh, sweet. Yeah, bro. is what I
was doing. I was I was laying

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out the, the use case where
everybody would be like, then I

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was gonna follow it up with with
the right hook playlist. And

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everybody's gonna be like,

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Okay, well, you got me, you got
me? Yes, I was there. I was

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there. I was there, I just
jumped the gun. I'm sorry, I

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didn't realize there was a punch
line.

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The the first section of the
proposal is cross app playlists.

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And this is as this allows one
to provide lists of other items,

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which one does not own copyright
to, such as playlists, and

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various different types of audio
video mediums, in combination

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with list mediums, and we'll
talk about the rule, we'll talk

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about that too. One can use a
theme made entirely of podcast

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remote item tags, to share them
in a manner that allows

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applications to recognize them
as playlists.

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So then you get into the reverse
issue, are you ready? I'm gonna

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blow your mind. So let's, so
let's say I can, I can envision

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a world where making playlists
of remote items with a very, you

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know, simple tool becomes
incredibly fun. I mean, I can

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see exactly how the app taps
into the index. It's you know,

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you can even drag and drop and
all this stuff is the whole

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experience is very clear in my
mind, and that all under the

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hood is you basically building
up a feed of remote items. So at

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a certain point, some people
will be very influential. And

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and people will, they will want
to take advantage of that. And I

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think other people want to get
on their list and there can be

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an economy there. If we can
figure out how do you get that

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list? Creator into the remote
Item Value block so that they

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can get a maybe it's a maybe
it's a slug, a placeholder.

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Something like that, you know,
here's 5% from whoever puts us

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into a playlist. Does that make
sense?

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Yeah. The that I knew you were
gonna go there.

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And do you prep do you use? Do
you lay awake at night and think

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about what does Adam going to
say about?

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First I'm gonna suck him in when
flame

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Boom, baby, boom, I'm gonna need
a whip. I do have a whip.

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Sorry. Um, yeah. So. So that
brings up a good. That brings up

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a good point. I think in the
original spec. I don't see it in

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this one I may be overlooking, I
think. Alex said that the value

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blocks that this should not
contain value blocks. The remote

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item tag? Oh, why? And I think
we'll see what here it is. An

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element defines a remote item
one or more may be defined per

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channel. It refers to an item
outside of the feed. This should

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only be used for list medium
types. We'll see. This should

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not utilize any value related
tags contained within the feed.

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Only the value tags on the
referenced feed should be

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respected. So right, like,
right. Yeah. So that you're

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that and then there's the
problem. How do you how do you

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get the how do you get? How do
you reward someone for creating

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a playlist?

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Yeah, no, no, because

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because there'll be the DJs of
the future, you see, and we need

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to cut them in because then it
incentivizes people to do all

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kinds of cool stuff and
promotion around it. And that

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and, and, and the tide lifts all
boats.

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See, here's my, here's my,

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you know, don't say fear. Don't
say you can't handle that.

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Here is my anxiety,

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anxiety, oh, my god, okay,

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that's even worse than fear. So,
in one sense, you can say that

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making playlists and becoming a
playlist, Curator or creator, or

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whatever you want to call it is
awesome. And that should be

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rewarded with value. But then in
the other sense, it feels like

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That way lies madness, because
you could imagine a popular

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playlist curator, be like
throwing in an EPA in reference

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to a remote item to let's just
say no agenda every single week.

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And they're getting a cut, even
though they're not really doing

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any work.

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Oh, nobody. I disagree. I could
not disagree with you more.

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I mean, like the fuse, let me
have it. I see that as value.

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Thank you for exposing me to
your audience. As you can see my

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remote item. Thing about Bob
Snicket Joker. I have reserved

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5% for anyone in the value blog
for anyone who puts this as a

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remote item into their feed. I
don't know how that happens, but

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that's what I want. I see it as
added value. Not not like

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they're not stealing from me. I
want to I want to cut them in.

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Okay, just like an app.

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Okay. Oh, okay. Well, there that
may be your that.

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I think you just have it as
habit as a fee.

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stumbled upon the answer there.
There could be a there can be an

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entry. That's a certain type of
entry in the value block. This

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says this that is for this this
for it just a placeholder and it

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says remote. I have no idea what
to call this. But when you parse

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it, you say, Okay, this podcast
podcaster has just specified

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that whenever somebody places a
reference to their episode into

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a remote item list, and that's
the source, they get X, whatever

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it is a value, whether it's a
percentage or hardcoded amount

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or whatever, they get this so so
then you it's almost like a

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variable. It's, it's what I call
a slug, like insert your, your

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value block here.

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Okay, yeah, and then this is
just like a place a placeholder

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that can be that can mean
anybody that does this.

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Yes. Anyone who anyone who is
using this as a remote remote

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item, you get 5%. And okay, so
this is where it gets beautiful.

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One of the things I've been
looking forward to and comics to

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Blogger brought this up is to
have no agenda producers uh art

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producers, I want them when we
check pick their art I want them

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to automatically be added into
the value block into the into

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the split, that with get Albie
addresses this is really easy

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every artist can can sign up for
get Alby address. And what

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comics or Blogger did what I
asked you said, on the Art

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Generator putting your profile
there because I looked at the

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profile, I get the name, I have
to put that into the credits,

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put your lb address in there and
then boom, if you're chosen,

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I'll put you into the into the
value block. So same way I'd

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love to. Maybe it's overkill,
but it seems like there's an

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opportunity there. It's all
dynamic stuff, basically. Right?

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So maybe we're just making life
harder that way? Well, now,

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because I'm thinking I was
thinking put a slug in for the

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art and then that fog it I'll do
it myself. I'll copy paste. It's

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easy. Let's get the remote item
thing fixed. And I'll copy paste

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until then. Well,

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I think what you're thinking,
recursion as

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everyone always, yeah, that's
what I'm looking for.

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It's like what we did with free
material editor where you could

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put these variables in there.
And you could just generate a

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template. Yeah, it would be

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which I still use twice a week,
but what more than twice a week,

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several times a week.

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And so that's, that can be I
think we could forge a way

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forward with this one once we
get the remote item in place.

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Because this doesn't really have
to be part of the remote item

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spec.

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Well, but here's here's the next
thing because I think this flows

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into in a weird way. Podcast
events.

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Now we're gonna have John
Spurlock on next week to talk

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about that.

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Oh, good as well. Good. But I
think Sam Sethi is doing some

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praise, like hinting about it on
Potlatch. Oh, I got something

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special to talk about next week.

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Oh, cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah,
let it

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slide it up, Sam. Okay, good.
Well, I'm excited about the

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podcast events that I'm starting
to think about what that can

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mean, I think it's gonna be very
invigorating. And I certainly

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when it comes to audience doing
stuff, and I see it from music,

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too, I see all kinds of great
things that can come from it.

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And I want to thank all of the
developers for creating all

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those great music apps. You
really, really right on point.

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Okay, oh, music. Yeah. Well,
we're not done with remote

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remote. I'm

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sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't I was
like, Okay, done the cross that

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off the list. I was

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I'm going to come back to I'm
going to come back to music mark

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my sheet. remote, remote, yes.
Just due to flesh this out. The

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current is like, imagine a feed
alright. Do you have pictured in

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your mind an RSS feed?

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You bet I dream of this all the
time.

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Okay. Inside the channel, you
know, you have your various

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things like title, description,
Link, language generator, all

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that kind of stuff well, in the
channel have have a playlist of

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what is going to be considered a
playlist, which is, you know,

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just an XML feed full of remote
items. You would also have a

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medium in there as well. A
medium tag. Yeah. So that that

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gives you so here's, this is the
other part of this issue. So

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part of the struggle the apps
have is when they hit a feed

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that doesn't have any content in
it. Like content being defined

443
00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:40,830
as item tags, ie an

444
00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:48,060
anchor show. Sorry, man, I just
got to contribute to the

445
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:49,740
conversation somehow. No, I

446
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:53,790
endorsed this. By the way, what
happened to anchor it? They

447
00:28:53,790 --> 00:28:56,760
don't know. Nobody even talks
about it's like they don't

448
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,150
exist.

449
00:28:57,180 --> 00:29:01,560
All they are is just a counter
for the Spotify press release.

450
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:03,750
How many? What's the number?
What's the number anchor?

451
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:06,420
Puppet puppet puppet?

452
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:09,870
People what's what's the number
what you got up there? I

453
00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:18,390
got it. That's all in it.
Spotify doesn't even talk about

454
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:24,450
anchor anymore. It's like they
don't exist now. So the podcast

455
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
like you can imagine that you
would need or it would be very

456
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,230
helpful to have a medium
designated for this type of

457
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:39,420
thing. So in this feed, the
aggregator sees there's no items

458
00:29:39,420 --> 00:29:45,300
in this thing. So there are you
know WTF. So then the chat the

459
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:51,630
channel tag within this feed can
have a medium of something like

460
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,540
music L and the L means list. So
there's a new set as part of the

461
00:29:57,540 --> 00:30:02,190
Poke podcast remote items spec
There will also be an update to

462
00:30:02,190 --> 00:30:07,590
the podcast medium tag that
corresponds to new types of

463
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:13,440
mediums. And the new mediums
would all be an L version of an

464
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,540
existing medium type. So you can
have, you would have music l

465
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:23,790
podcast, l, audio book, l net,
the elders means list. So this

466
00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:30,120
feed, if it has a medium type of
music L is a playlist, a music

467
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:36,990
playlist. App can expect when it
parses this feed, it can expect

468
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:41,820
to find a bunch of remote items
in here that are music that are

469
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:47,640
of the medium type of music.
Okay. So that that's going to

470
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,530
help because right now, right
now, you just don't decorators

471
00:30:52,530 --> 00:30:54,840
that haven't any, it doesn't
have anything to

472
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:58,110
add does? No, it has no context
it does. There's no way I can

473
00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:00,900
know because the medium tag is
channel level, you need to have

474
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:02,610
that item level for the remote
item.

475
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:11,970
Right? Yes. So that's, that's
the idea there and then remote.

476
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:18,690
So here's something that needs
to be discussed. It feels like

477
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:29,460
there needs to be a new medium
of live, live brand and live L.

478
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:35,340
So for a list of live remote
items, you get a remote, remote

479
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:40,050
item could reference a live
item, which would be you maybe

480
00:31:40,050 --> 00:31:41,700
you have a playlist

481
00:31:41,729 --> 00:31:46,289
we are literally building an
automated radio station playout

482
00:31:46,289 --> 00:31:49,619
system. This has literally been
developed

483
00:31:50,189 --> 00:31:53,159
in detail. It's this is like a
deep like the chef's have like

484
00:31:53,159 --> 00:31:57,419
deconstructed chicken salad.
Yeah. deconstructed playoff

485
00:31:57,689 --> 00:32:03,059
system. Yeah. Okay. So that's
what this mean? Do you agree? I

486
00:32:03,059 --> 00:32:03,689
mean, if it feels like,

487
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,410
I'm with you, and I'm gonna keep
going, keep going. Yeah. So

488
00:32:07,439 --> 00:32:11,279
if you have a list of, if you
have a medium type of live L,

489
00:32:11,399 --> 00:32:13,619
then you have a list of risks.
And then people could curate

490
00:32:13,619 --> 00:32:19,739
lists of lives of live streams
that they listened to, or that

491
00:32:19,739 --> 00:32:23,159
are interesting, or related, or
whatever, and share those things

492
00:32:23,159 --> 00:32:27,809
out. And then you can have, so
it would be almost just like the

493
00:32:27,809 --> 00:32:32,699
pod verse.fm live streams page.
But you can handle you can

494
00:32:32,699 --> 00:32:37,079
curate them yourself, and share
them. And if you're, like we

495
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,119
were talking about with the
value stuff, if we can figure

496
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,809
that part out the fun, find new
live streams and get value for

497
00:32:42,809 --> 00:32:42,869
it.

498
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:47,820
I mean, you can also see if I
have this right, you could

499
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:53,850
literally program a station,
which consisted of individual

500
00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:59,340
entities wherever they are. And
as long as they have, you know,

501
00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:05,970
a stream, you can literally be
listening to one, one feed, and

502
00:33:05,970 --> 00:33:09,720
it'd be switching between these
different live streams. Yeah, in

503
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,940
real time. Yeah. That's pretty
cool. That's pretty cool.

504
00:33:15,449 --> 00:33:20,579
Yeah, you can do and also it
becomes like a, like a radio

505
00:33:20,579 --> 00:33:23,879
dial. I mean, like, you're you
have a list. Yeah,

506
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,170
you can just and you know, what,
what a concept to do a dial

507
00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:31,230
instead of a list, just as a UI
UX moment.

508
00:33:31,709 --> 00:33:34,949
Yeah. Yeah. What they call that
skeuomorphism we can just go

509
00:33:35,249 --> 00:33:35,699
back to this.

510
00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:40,200
Yes, make it look like a radio
dial, that'll work.

511
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:45,600
In the, like, you can just
literally, like pop back and

512
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,710
forth between between radio
stations in real time. On the

513
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:51,060
podcast on the podcast

514
00:33:51,060 --> 00:33:54,630
app, you know, I gotta tell you
that 100% Retro guys there

515
00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:58,770
beside themselves with with joy
about this. Because, you know,

516
00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:02,220
some people are boosting to get
a little boost here and there.

517
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,360
They definitely see the stream
stream numbers, you know, this

518
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,130
is very few. But you know, and I
see people even tweeting about

519
00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:15,060
it like this kind of cool, what
the hell is this thing? So it is

520
00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:18,630
live and more as most of us
live, some of it may be tract

521
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:20,010
but it has a live feel to it.

522
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:24,570
Are you going to put in are you
going to rearrange the fate so

523
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:26,940
that has a bunch of live items?
Are you going to try that

524
00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:32,550
technique? Because it feels like
your feed is just a mad

525
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:35,130
laboratory of trying things for
this.

526
00:34:35,250 --> 00:34:40,860
Well, that's my life. That's the
lifestyle I've chosen. Stephen B

527
00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:49,410
he posted he posted something
that some generator that is his

528
00:34:49,410 --> 00:34:52,500
brain is already working. He's
listening so he'll come up with

529
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:54,570
something because the whole
thing is I just need a

530
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:58,920
programming thing. You know,
that just fires at certain times

531
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,500
and then hits the pod during the
live update,

532
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,290
we'll discover and fades. Can it
handle multiple live items? And

533
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:10,080
yes, it can. Okay, I'm good.

534
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,710
But I still need to hit turn it
live, I still need to switch it

535
00:35:13,710 --> 00:35:15,180
live and republish the feed.

536
00:35:16,350 --> 00:35:19,740
That's right. It's right. Or

537
00:35:19,770 --> 00:35:25,440
orc. And that's something I
would enjoy. Hey, I put curio

538
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,340
caster and sovereign feeds in my
splits. You know, maybe they'll

539
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:33,270
have figured out a way to
automate that for me. You know,

540
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:36,030
it's, it's feed generation
logic.

541
00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:40,860
Could you do it? And this is all
off the rails, but could you do

542
00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:46,620
it from the icecast metadata?
When you see that change, that

543
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:48,180
can regenerate the feed?

544
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:53,010
That was my that was my thinking
of after the fact. Well, but But

545
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,130
yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm
also thinking, it makes so much

546
00:35:56,130 --> 00:36:02,160
more sense. If we have an ingest
format, then people who use

547
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,540
these playout systems can just
export, their their schedule.

548
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:10,680
And it should, and it lines up,
I mean, obviously, if they get

549
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,720
out of sync, then you know,
that's their problem. But the

550
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,870
whole idea is that it stays in
sync, and then it I mean, it

551
00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:18,240
could even trigger, it could
even trigger the pod ping, I

552
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,330
mean, we have a way to go. But
we'll get to that source where I

553
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:24,930
think it will just generate a
feed, upload it that make the

554
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:28,230
changes, upload it, pod, ping,
boom, good to good to go

555
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:32,130
to that. So the playout system,
their playoff system, we just

556
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,660
export, like a structured file,
whatever,

557
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,390
whatever we need. Yeah, whatever
we need to ingest to make it

558
00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:39,870
work.

559
00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:41,400
Will it be JSON?

560
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,430
I gosh, I hope so. But, but I'm
also thinking, why couldn't the

561
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:53,010
playout system just generate the
RSS feed? FTP at pod ping?

562
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:55,200
I don't know you know about
those play out.

563
00:36:55,260 --> 00:36:58,560
I mean, do that. Why would they
have all kinds of stuff like

564
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:05,100
that built in these days?
Consultant let me let me if only

565
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:09,150
I knew a radio consultant. Yeah,
I bet you don't know any of

566
00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:13,500
those. I do. James Cridland he's
the radio consultants. Alright,

567
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,830
James marching orders. Isn't he
the radiologists? Let me see

568
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,700
layer process strong. Oh, I
would strongly recommend you do

569
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:23,310
not use this configuration
program will play out as running

570
00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:28,350
continue anyway. Yes, of course.
Of course. What could go wrong?

571
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:31,680
My pussy? Yeah, let me see
remote controls. That's the MIDI

572
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,980
remote control what else kind of
remote control by okay. Let me

573
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:43,170
see advanced it has these
things. Let me see the logging

574
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:47,190
database. I mean it has it has a
whole database you know, you can

575
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:49,860
you can get into a database and
just export it

576
00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:56,220
well, that I mean, that's just
Well, there you go. I mean, I

577
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:57,300
mean, everything's there.

578
00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:01,980
Yeah, you couldn't oh goodness
nearly done in there last year.

579
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:06,180
merilis. So you can do you can
connect to an iTunes database

580
00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:09,570
you can connect to Sam
broadcaster V four, which then

581
00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:12,420
will pass your meta that mean
that's that's like an ice cast

582
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:16,590
streamer. So you can then stream
the metadata from your system.

583
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:24,180
You can just a script whatever
that is. Anyway, I get some info

584
00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:24,960
this

585
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:28,199
Yamo Eric PP No, no, no, I
handle please.

586
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,540
Discard all changes and close.
Yes. Okay. Does this. Oh shit.

587
00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:40,200
Oh, fuck. Honestly, do I spell
Dr. Pepper hora. Oh, that's

588
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,820
really bad. mush. Oh, no

589
00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:46,110
chips. Yeah, it's in the
keyboard. Oh, oh, no. Disaster.

590
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:56,280
Yeah, hold on. Oh, I could
doodle do. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh,

591
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,200
no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

592
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:08,430
Oh, did you like that was that
was a good?

593
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:12,060
I mean, I thought I was gonna
have to play the show out

594
00:39:12,060 --> 00:39:12,540
myself.

595
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:16,530
Let me just rub this. Okay, so

596
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,500
yeah, I think rub it out. Just
rubbish. I'm

597
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,610
just rubbing one out here. Dave.
Give me a second. The show is

598
00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:30,090
off the rails. And we have a
heart out. The other day I

599
00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:33,750
spilled. I broke a wineglass and
it spilled over it and it was

600
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:36,840
kind of made my midi controller
a little wonky.

601
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,880
Built it in the keyboard.

602
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:44,040
You both Yeah. Oh, that's very
keyboard and I have backups if I

603
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,180
need but we're

604
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,970
gonna have to read it. We're
gonna have to take away your

605
00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:49,380
drink privileges within the

606
00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:53,250
my own damn fault. I was horsing
around I shouldn't have done I

607
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:56,010
have special spots for drinks.
It's almost like a cup holder.

608
00:39:56,010 --> 00:39:59,970
But do I use it new love course
now. Okay, let me see you soon.

609
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,470
scissors. Okay, we're back.
We're back in business. So yeah,

610
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:08,400
okay, so that's so that's
something that can be worked on.

611
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:16,440
I think we need to get the
remote the remote item squared

612
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,590
away and that'll start to play
out and we'll we'll get there

613
00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:20,550
when it's time right?

614
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:25,620
Yeah, was that a Diet Dr. Pepper
no straight up Dr. Pepper the

615
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:26,610
real things straight.

616
00:40:26,610 --> 00:40:29,460
It was a small can one of those
little minis? Because I don't

617
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:31,950
like a 10 ounce or something?
Yeah, I don't really want the

618
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:35,940
poison. But to do this show, you
know, I'm stoned all day like

619
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:36,840
I'm gonna go sugar on

620
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:41,010
the phenol kid in neuro
whatever. Yes, yeah. Yeah. So we

621
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:44,520
can do that. Yeah, that's that.
One interesting thing about this

622
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:49,920
is that in we're gonna see more
of this over time, I believe.

623
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,580
And so we've got to figure out
how to go down this road at some

624
00:40:53,580 --> 00:41:00,330
point. Is the podcast good? So
the way these remote items are

625
00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:01,740
referenced?

626
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,850
Oh, yeah, I have your own. I
have a bad good.

627
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,270
Do you? Oh, yeah. You're in
Korean. The keeper?

628
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,220
I don't know how that happened.
But yeah.

629
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:20,070
So you the what a remote item
looks like, is it is a it's got

630
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:25,440
three attributes. Two of which
are required ones. One's

631
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,230
optional. So the it's got the
item good attribute, which is

632
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:36,120
the GU ID from the feed that is
being referenced. That's fine.

633
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:41,400
For the most part, because you
know, that's the I think, as an

634
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,250
industry, we've pretty much with
Apple coming on board to require

635
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:48,660
Gu ID now EPS enclosure episode
level Gu IDs. I mean, you can

636
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:50,880
just say, Well, I mean, if
you're not putting goods in your

637
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,380
feed, you know, you don't get to
play at the party. Right? The

638
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:59,550
feed Gu ID is the one that's
going to have to be dealt with

639
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,790
over time, which in the feed
good is a reference to the

640
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:05,130
podcast co lon Gu ID tag

641
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:10,140
that thank you for doing kolam.
There's nothing in Britain.

642
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:19,740
So the podcast guid tag is
actually been adopted quite a

643
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:22,770
bit. I mean, it's getting some
reach. So

644
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,660
it's really, it really needs to
be promoted as the ISBN of

645
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:30,780
podcasting. And people should do
this. I mean, and then we can

646
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:33,390
market it that way, people will
say, Oh, I really need to get

647
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:38,430
that. So that also means we need
to surface easy to go in and say

648
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:42,150
what is this podcast good.

649
00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:47,460
In that that's where I'm headed.
So what? That's what there's

650
00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:52,200
already in the API, an API,
there's already a podcast by

651
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:58,620
GUID. API endpoint that will
give you that result. But it

652
00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:04,140
feels like there needs to be it
needs to be something. This

653
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:09,330
almost needs to be a stand alone
type of thing. Where you can

654
00:43:09,330 --> 00:43:16,230
just ask, you know, ask a where
you can easily just grab a feed

655
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:19,950
URL of a Gu ID and not even not
have to necessarily use an API

656
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:23,550
call. I mean, it'll ultimately
it ultimately everything's sort

657
00:43:23,550 --> 00:43:24,750
of an API call, right? So

658
00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:29,310
in a script, you just say,
podcast GUID, this, and then

659
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:33,180
that, and then the script knows
how to get that information?

660
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,490
Yeah, yeah. That's one of the
things it's really just for

661
00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:38,430
developers, because you're lazy
to type all the information and

662
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:41,370
you just want to token Am I
right? Am I right?

663
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:44,880
Yeah, yeah. So it could be
something as easy as a service,

664
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:52,620
where that's called like, I
don't know. That's good podcast,

665
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:57,750
Gu id.net, I don't know. And
then you just give it in a slash

666
00:43:57,750 --> 00:44:00,960
into GUID. And it just returns
nothing but the end, it just

667
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,100
returns the feed URL. Like, like
some simple result, like a

668
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:11,160
resolver, not an API call. I
feel like that's probably the

669
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,610
way to go with this thing.
Because the GU IDs are going to

670
00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:17,970
become more of a thing. And then
we're going to start referencing

671
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,520
them more in these tags.

672
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:22,860
So are we going to be the
centralized resolver?

673
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:26,550
Well, I don't want to be the
centralized resolver owner on a

674
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:32,190
server but I mean, we could set
up some sort of system like I

675
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:34,860
don't know if clubs or workers
are single, whatever

676
00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:38,940
we do, whatever we do before we
make any decisions. Let's make

677
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:40,440
sure we run it past GG

678
00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:49,530
Yes, yes, God knows. If you
don't, there's hell to pay.

679
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:53,520
That's my one joke for today
about it. Okay.

680
00:44:54,900 --> 00:45:00,630
Yes, we must. It must be fully
decentralized. Whatever in

681
00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:03,330
whatever way that that means
whatever week way that that

682
00:45:03,330 --> 00:45:07,500
means. So anyway, I don't know
about that. I'm just it feels

683
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,180
like I would like to hear

684
00:45:09,209 --> 00:45:12,179
here's why. here's and here's a
weird thing just just because

685
00:45:12,179 --> 00:45:21,629
I'm weird could I make my my
podcast good? My lightning node

686
00:45:21,629 --> 00:45:24,359
or my bitcoin wallet? Address?

687
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:33,510
Not the cording taka unit and
the year on let me look at the

688
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:34,200
spec Arnie

689
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:40,230
does it have to be a certain
number of numbers or patches or

690
00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:41,010
salted?

691
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,270
It's it's supposed to it's
supposed to be a V five Gu ID

692
00:45:46,050 --> 00:45:48,150
excuse me a V five UU ID?

693
00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:53,220
Oh, you know, you the composite
of a UU ID is different from

694
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:55,650
from a cryptographic address.

695
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,310
Right. Yeah. Yeah, it looks a
lot different format. And I

696
00:45:59,310 --> 00:46:02,940
think I'm afraid that if you did
that, it's not going to follow

697
00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:06,330
the format, then it may get cut
off in certain databases. Okay.

698
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:10,080
Yeah, I don't think it's
probably just better not to do

699
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,630
that. Good. Yeah. So I'm thing
is, I think a result, I would

700
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:19,650
like to know if other people
think a resolver of some sort is

701
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:22,080
probably the way to go. And then
how to properly properly go

702
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,720
about that in a way that we
liked.

703
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,800
I really liked the idea. And I
think it's critical that that we

704
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,720
get that up and running. Because
that is when you do that. Then

705
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:41,190
you can also have a GUID for
albums, songs. These are all

706
00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:44,280
these are all important things
to have that people can confine

707
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,350
them based upon that detail.

708
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:53,010
Yeah. There's enough there's
enough spread. Now. Buzzsprout

709
00:46:53,010 --> 00:47:00,090
includes Gu IDs, who was cast
dos includes goods and all their

710
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:04,860
feeds. I have to look at the
list. But it's quite it's,

711
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:08,640
there's quite a lot. So I feel
like we're there. And we're

712
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,190
ready to sort of like flip the
switch and take the next step on

713
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:13,890
that. And then it will I mean,
we'll have to because in remote

714
00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:17,850
item will need it right. As long
as we put it on. As long as

715
00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:20,970
whatever form it takes is on
hive, then there won't be any

716
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:22,110
push back ever.

717
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:25,080
So we're good to go. Yeah.

718
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,860
I don't want to so funny. Okay,
so I think we're good on remote.

719
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,350
And I think everybody probably
understands what that does.

720
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:38,520
Yeah, I like it. I really like
it. These are exciting things.

721
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,340
So how does this move forward?
Just this is the

722
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:44,340
basics just progresses.

723
00:47:44,370 --> 00:47:46,260
Okay, good. Good. Yeah.

724
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,450
It's on it's on the list. And
we're so in Well, one of the

725
00:47:51,450 --> 00:47:57,570
things Alex is finishing up the,
the 2.0 version of pot of the

726
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:00,030
pod paying hive writer, and
that's going to have this stuff

727
00:48:00,030 --> 00:48:06,060
in it through the socket. So we
can we can specify these

728
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:08,370
mediums, these list of mediums
and that kind of thing as part

729
00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:12,000
of the schema. That'll be in
there. So we'll be good to go.

730
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:13,710
Nice. Yeah.

731
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:17,940
I don't want to keep going if
you've got some you got anything

732
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:20,910
else that you want to insert? I
don't want to just steamroll.

733
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:29,340
Just Just go on a different
topic for a minute. Go for the

734
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:32,490
squad cast patent, I think you
and I have different ideas about

735
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:34,710
that. I wanted to see where
where you were at.

736
00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:41,730
I just don't like it. I don't
like it feels and I could be

737
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:44,310
completely wrong. I don't know
this. I don't know those guys at

738
00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:47,190
all. Other than Harry Duran, I
know him. I was on his show. And

739
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:48,930
he seems like a really great
guy. I think he's like an

740
00:48:48,930 --> 00:48:52,170
advisor or something. But I
don't really know anybody else

741
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:52,650
there.

742
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,130
Well, let me ask you this. How
did you interpret what you read

743
00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:56,760
about it?

744
00:48:58,470 --> 00:49:07,350
I interpreted it to be that they
were trying to hit a broad a

745
00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:13,410
patent for something broad, that
would be a natural evolution of

746
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:19,590
any product like that, in order
to carve out some mark in order

747
00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:21,840
to code like basically put a
line in the sand for their

748
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,800
market share, because that's a
crowded market. There's a lot of

749
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,220
people there's a lot of players
in there like Riverside, clean

750
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:30,660
feed shoutcast

751
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,940
Did you have an opportunity to
read the patent?

752
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:38,220
I read I read the the first
whatever you call it, like the

753
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:43,560
the initial sizes, summary,
probably summary, or any

754
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,310
reasoning that he was like
giving us like something like

755
00:49:47,310 --> 00:49:50,610
more broadly. And I can't
remember the exact wording and

756
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:54,480
that's what gave me pause. I was
like, Oh, wait, whatever the way

757
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,810
that it was worded made me
think, Oh, they're going to try

758
00:49:57,810 --> 00:50:02,370
to come after anybody who He
uploads parts of a file and

759
00:50:02,370 --> 00:50:05,280
stitches them together later in
a way that doesn't lose the

760
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,890
timestamping. Like, well, I
mean, that just, that's the

761
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:11,940
word, but he's had to do that.

762
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:17,310
So the way I read it was, here's
these problems. People have

763
00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:21,570
solved these problems in certain
ways or not. We have solved

764
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:24,120
these problems in this
particular way. And we're

765
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,310
patenting our solution. I don't
think you can, you can patent

766
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,040
the time to drift. Because
there's too much prior art and

767
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,150
people have done it. But just
like Apple, they didn't know

768
00:50:39,150 --> 00:50:44,550
Apple patented, have passed
podcast patents they patented. I

769
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:52,710
think their namespace so. And I
read through all the blog posts

770
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:56,790
from squad cast and in what they
were doing, and it was it seemed

771
00:50:56,790 --> 00:51:00,690
to me more really about the
actual technology that they've

772
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,500
or the algorithm or whatever
they've developed than anything

773
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:10,320
else, because it it, their way
of doing it is apparently very

774
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,280
lightweight. And now you can do
a lot more on mobile and other

775
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,710
things that you couldn't do
before but I did not read that

776
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:19,770
they were patenting the process
itself.

777
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:26,280
says in the description, it says
the invention in one form is

778
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,460
directed to a method that
ensures that recorded all the

779
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:31,200
Indian males are always except a

780
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,860
method a method. Yeah, not the
method a method.

781
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:42,600
Okay, and so it gets in, save it
has saved the file. Okay. Well,

782
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,350
I haven't read step by step
through this. And I may just be

783
00:51:46,350 --> 00:51:48,210
ignorant about what can be.

784
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:51,840
And I understand that the knee
jerk reaction, I'm not I don't,

785
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:55,500
I don't participate in the
patent system. But I'm certainly

786
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:59,820
not anti patent, I feel I am
anti the abuse of the patent

787
00:51:59,820 --> 00:52:03,360
system, which is what you were
referring to. But my initial

788
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,350
reaction to that, I was actually
surprised when I saw all the

789
00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:11,520
posts about fuck these guys. I
hate patent trolls like hohoho.

790
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:15,270
Have we read this thing? And it
to me, it was just like, Okay,

791
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:18,630
we figured out some some new
ingredient of how to do

792
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:22,380
something that other people are
doing, but our way it no one has

793
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:25,020
done. We want to patent that
because we want to take

794
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:28,200
commercial advantage of that
moving forward. But I didn't

795
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,740
really get any of the feeling
that they're out to potentially

796
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:35,280
protect their turf or squash
others. It seems like this is an

797
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,030
innovation, at least what I read
that it's an innovation on what

798
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:40,980
is currently being done which
you can patent.

799
00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:46,320
So I guess one, I guess one way
to think about is what? Why

800
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,870
would you in this? I'm not
saying this the right way. But

801
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:57,720
why would you patent something
where you can't know if the

802
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,880
patent is being violated or not?

803
00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:03,510
What do you mean that this is
exactly what patents are about?

804
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:06,840
Look at Silicon Valley, look at
the look at the lawsuits that

805
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,410
did go back 10 years you used
our code here, you use their

806
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:13,560
code there. That, of course is
why I don't use the patent

807
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,100
system.

808
00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:19,020
Well, I guess what I'm saying is
like what? Coke, okay, so in

809
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:22,950
this instance, if they've
patented, if What if what

810
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:28,320
they've patented is a specific
algorithm like, like step one,

811
00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:32,400
do this, do you know, do this
function on this part part of

812
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,670
the audio to do to look at this
step two, blah, blah, blah. So

813
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:39,390
if, if, if that's if they've
essentially patented, what will

814
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:47,970
what amounts to pseudo code on
how to do a thing? Then how can

815
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:53,430
the only thing the only way they
can know when they see let's

816
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:56,250
just say that clean feed does
the same at some point in the

817
00:53:56,250 --> 00:54:00,750
future. Also, on the fly, upload
audio to a Citroen to back to

818
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:05,190
the mothership, and stitches it
together, then squad cast is

819
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:10,530
going to have to sue clean feed
in order to get discovery on

820
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:14,070
whether or not their algorithm
is the same as squad cast, which

821
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:14,220
is

822
00:54:14,220 --> 00:54:18,600
a very risky business to be in.
Because if you if you have a

823
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,530
frivolous claim, then you can
wind up paying for everything

824
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:25,560
first off the bat. And then
there could be a counterclaim,

825
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,140
if there's any suspicion that
you were doing this on anti

826
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:29,340
competitive grounds.

827
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:34,620
Okay, all right. So that's so
would that be what it would be?

828
00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:37,080
will students be anti considered
anti competitive?

829
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:42,600
What if if, if they if they just
start suing people look if you

830
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:46,020
if you sue people and you're
wrong, you definitely have to

831
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:46,890
pay the cost?

832
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:51,210
Right off the bat, right? Yeah,
pay for the damages or whatever.

833
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:51,630
Well, you

834
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:55,740
got you got to pay lawyers fees,
court fees, and then that can be

835
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,550
that can be inconvenience fees,
and then there could be Hey,

836
00:54:59,550 --> 00:55:02,820
wait a minute. Do you guys want
to after us for no reason, I

837
00:55:02,820 --> 00:55:06,840
think really what they're
they're trying to protect. And I

838
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,170
don't know, I don't use squad
cast, I use clean feet, I like

839
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:13,440
clean feet, I certainly wouldn't
want anyone to have any, any

840
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,920
issues. I just think that they
have created something that

841
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,040
they're saying Holy crap, this
is groundbreaking look at what

842
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,430
we can do in a lightweight and
even mobile environment with

843
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:29,430
this stuff. And there's very,
very specific about about that.

844
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,630
And so they want to protect
their competitive upside, which

845
00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:38,760
I think is marginal. Now, it
could also be, just to be honest

846
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,620
about it, that they're raising
money. And, and you know, the

847
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:47,010
final thing they had to do was
show some patented technology.

848
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,670
This is not uncommon. Yeah, this
is not uncommon. Oh, look, we

849
00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:54,240
got we got into it. So they have
some patented technology. And

850
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,060
now yeah, now you're better for
some investment. I mean, these,

851
00:55:57,150 --> 00:56:01,320
there's a lot going on. I just,
I'm a conspiracy therapist, and

852
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,690
when I see one where I just
think, you know, everyone's kind

853
00:56:03,690 --> 00:56:06,510
of going off on this. And let me
see what's happening. I just

854
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:06,720
felt

855
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,700
like you want to look at the
other side, you want to look at

856
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:11,520
the other side, I always try to
look at all sides. Yeah,

857
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,940
whenever it'd be, you're
essentially a betting line. When

858
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:16,500
everything's on one side, you
look at the other

859
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:19,920
100% That's the gig.

860
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,840
No, I think that's I think
that's fair. I mean, it you

861
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,540
know, I think I grew up, I grew
up in the open source,

862
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,350
generation of Sun Microsystems
coming after everybody has a

863
00:56:31,350 --> 00:56:35,640
patent troll. Oh, sure, you
know, with the, with the SCO,

864
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,020
Unix junk, and then, and then
the podcast, that podcast,

865
00:56:40,110 --> 00:56:43,980
patent troll from, you know,
seven or eight years ago, it's

866
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:48,510
like, you've got so much of this
stuff that use it a bad taste in

867
00:56:48,510 --> 00:56:52,020
your mouth. As soon as you see
it. It's like, don't, don't do

868
00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:52,500
that,

869
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,710
you know, Dave Weiner, and I
didn't patent anything on on

870
00:56:55,710 --> 00:57:02,430
RSS, sort of not anything on
podcasting, none of that. If we

871
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:06,900
had you, and I most likely would
not be sitting here talking and

872
00:57:06,930 --> 00:57:12,060
the people might not even know
what a podcast is. And what I've

873
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:16,350
discovered is I like the, the
open way I like, you know, if

874
00:57:16,350 --> 00:57:19,560
you want to call it Foss, but
you know, whatever this project

875
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,910
is, because I know that just
from the experience of RSS,

876
00:57:24,090 --> 00:57:28,080
throughout its its inception,
I've made millions of millions

877
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,560
of dollars, millions have spent
more but millions of dollars.

878
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:36,060
And I don't think I ever would
have gotten that in any in any

879
00:57:36,060 --> 00:57:37,230
patent fees.

880
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:44,550
No, no, yeah. Not at all. Well,
kind of in a related note, if we

881
00:57:44,970 --> 00:57:49,440
I chose licenses for the
namespace

882
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,240
I saw you got

883
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:57,870
that much. The choice I made was
literally with I mean it was it

884
00:57:57,870 --> 00:58:00,930
can be boiled down to just
rolling some dice. And just

885
00:58:00,930 --> 00:58:04,350
seeing what came out the other
end I have no idea. I just use

886
00:58:04,350 --> 00:58:07,830
the same thing that I always
use, which is first things like

887
00:58:07,830 --> 00:58:11,190
this. I think it was the
Creative Commons. It was the one

888
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:15,690
that basically does everything
it puts it in public domain but

889
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:19,350
in a safe way. It was that
creative commons one is the Do

890
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:20,910
you think that's the right one
to go with?

891
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:25,110
I as you know, I've defended
Creative Commons in court and I

892
00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:27,780
one where do I see the license?

893
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,770
It's on the on the podcast
namespace on GitHub. Let me flip

894
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:38,850
back up here. It's on the right
hand side is the CC zero dash

895
00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:40,620
1.0 license I see

896
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:42,900
CCS zero what is it?

897
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:47,820
CC zero 1.0 Universal license
point oh,

898
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:55,740
I see what it entails Yeah, let
me go let me see public let me

899
00:58:55,740 --> 00:59:00,450
just see what the protection is
no copyright. Okay, the person

900
00:59:00,450 --> 00:59:02,580
who associated work dedicated
the work to public domain

901
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:06,840
waiving all of his rights you
can copy modify, distribute in

902
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,480
no way is in no way or the
patent or trademark rights of

903
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,630
any person affected unless
expressly state otherwise versus

904
00:59:12,990 --> 00:59:20,760
power by bah. So where's the
protection this this is just

905
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,630
it's me You can copy modify,
distribute and perform the work

906
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:27,150
even for commercial purposes all
without asking permission.

907
00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:33,210
I mean, that sounded like the
way to get it because I've

908
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:35,100
always heard you don't want to
actually do you don't want

909
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:37,620
actually want to use public
domain you want to use a license

910
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:39,690
that gives you public domain in
a safe way.

911
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:45,330
Yes, where you you can say I
have this document that says I

912
00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:45,930
can use it.

913
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,280
Yeah. It says limited
permissions commercial use

914
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,800
modification, distribution,
private use limitations,

915
00:59:52,830 --> 00:59:56,700
liability trademark use patent
use and warranty. Where's that?

916
00:59:57,090 --> 01:00:00,600
I don't see that. That's at the
top of the page like it's GitHub

917
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:06,210
giving you like a little a
little rundown? If, if you're on

918
01:00:06,210 --> 01:00:09,540
the live if you go to podcast
namespace slash licensed.md

919
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:11,160
That's the

920
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:14,040
Oh yeah. Oh, this is actually
the whole thing is pretty long.

921
01:00:14,070 --> 01:00:16,410
It's good. Yeah. No, that's
good. Okay. That's what we want.

922
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,080
Yeah. Here no trademarks or
patent rights. Yeah, this is

923
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,410
good. Okay. All right. I think
that's perfect. I love Creative

924
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:24,990
Commons. I'm a I'm a fan. I
think it's it's the way to go.

925
01:00:24,990 --> 01:00:29,670
I've used it I've again, I've
I've used it to defend assholes

926
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:32,610
against the assholes. I mean,
oh, and it worked.

927
01:00:33,179 --> 01:00:36,479
Yeah, it was that the Dutch
photographer stuff? Yeah, they,

928
01:00:36,809 --> 01:00:37,079
yeah, they

929
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:40,349
took pictures from my Flickr at
the time, which were all in

930
01:00:40,349 --> 01:00:42,869
Flickr, I put them on Flickr,
because you could mark them with

931
01:00:42,869 --> 01:00:46,679
a Creative Commons license. And,
and you're printing them on the

932
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:49,559
front page of the gossip
magazines. And I said, Well,

933
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:52,139
what are you gonna pay me? They
laughed, I said, Okay, I sue

934
01:00:52,139 --> 01:00:59,339
them. Now, you know, and you
have to understand that in a

935
01:00:59,789 --> 01:01:02,069
socialist country, they're not
going to give you some big

936
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:04,769
award, but I said, Look, this is
what I think it would be worth.

937
01:01:05,339 --> 01:01:11,309
And so they gave, they gave me
no reward or award. But if it

938
01:01:11,309 --> 01:01:14,879
ever happens again, it's some
ridiculous amount of like,

939
01:01:14,939 --> 01:01:19,169
10,000 euros per copy per day,
you know, I would be a

940
01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:20,729
millionaire.

941
01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:22,740
Brian of London level money.

942
01:01:23,069 --> 01:01:26,489
I basically don't show up in any
magazines ever again, like

943
01:01:26,489 --> 01:01:30,749
curry. He's like kryptonite man,
which is, which is mission

944
01:01:30,749 --> 01:01:32,999
accomplished. I would say
mission accomplished.

945
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,390
Yeah, that's, that's That's it.
They beat the intern. But if he

946
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:42,930
tried if he tries to push them
then on the CMS Yeah. Buzzsprout

947
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:46,170
removed all the email addresses
from their feeds. Would you say

948
01:01:46,170 --> 01:01:46,470
that?

949
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:50,280
I saw the announcement. Yeah.
Yeah. So that there's like,

950
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,460
click here or forever hold your
peace? Yes.

951
01:01:53,610 --> 01:01:57,540
So I feel like that means a
couple of things like,

952
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,480
well, there goes half my income.
How are we going to spend

953
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,490
podcasters with my great deals?

954
01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:07,620
Oh, I know, I know with with
your beef initiatives that

955
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:09,450
you're clearly a founder

956
01:02:09,450 --> 01:02:13,440
of Yes. Oh, obviously, the Oh
coordinates. Yeah, I got I got

957
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,710
points and everybody's deal.
Sure. That's me. I'm not an

958
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:19,770
advisor. Actually, I am an
advisor. I'm an unpaid adviser

959
01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:22,020
of beef advisors. Right? That's
right.

960
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,650
So pod ping allows it so the way
they're doing it, I thought this

961
01:02:28,650 --> 01:02:31,710
is interesting to bring up. The
way they're doing it is they're

962
01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:36,510
removing the The email address
is not going to be in there. And

963
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:40,980
we made a change to the lock
tag, because previously email

964
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:46,530
address was required for the
lock tag. Not right. We made it

965
01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:50,340
optional. And I'm not really
sure why we ever made it mandate

966
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:51,630
require just went

967
01:02:51,630 --> 01:02:54,120
in there. And without a vote you
just willy nilly change

968
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:58,080
something in the in the holy
namespace? Yes, excellent work.

969
01:03:00,420 --> 01:03:06,930
Somebody stopped me. And I was
like, wow, I kept thinking, I

970
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:08,700
was like, there must have been a
reason there must have been

971
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:13,620
reason we did this. It made it
required. And for the life of me

972
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:16,710
could not check and can't
remember and require and

973
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:19,800
required things are like
kryptonite anyway. So that you

974
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,230
don't, you don't ever want to
use them unless you actually

975
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:26,370
have, like this supreme reason
that makes sense to everybody.

976
01:03:27,209 --> 01:03:29,879
We can remember if we can't even
remember them. It's

977
01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:34,170
ridiculous. Yeah. So remove
that. And that allowed them to

978
01:03:34,170 --> 01:03:39,330
take that out of the law tech.
So the, the pot, so they're

979
01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:43,590
going to remove that. And I'm
just saying they can, they're

980
01:03:43,590 --> 01:03:45,270
not going to be in there. But
then you're gonna have the

981
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:49,530
option in their dashboard to
turn it on for 24 hours. And

982
01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:53,670
then we'll put it back in there,
send a pod ping, we will report

983
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:57,000
the feed, suck the email address
in if it's if we don't have it.

984
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:01,620
So the neat there's like a
filter. So I think we need to

985
01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:07,470
clean clean the database. When
an email address is removed. I

986
01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:10,170
don't think the code is
currently doing that.

987
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,480
Oh, yeah. Well, of course you
want to do that. Yeah, well,

988
01:04:12,510 --> 01:04:17,100
yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we don't
want that if we don't want it

989
01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:22,260
otherwise. Or Or you still have
some value. I'm good. bundle

990
01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:22,890
that shit up.

991
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,620
Yeah, so yeah, we can make
playlists out of it. Just you

992
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:34,920
know, get get websites for
spamming people's email. The

993
01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:39,030
Yeah, so that I think that's a
Oh, one other thing I did. And

994
01:04:39,030 --> 01:04:43,710
this may be interesting. I
started sucking in some music

995
01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:48,360
medium tags for this long
running music analysis project.

996
01:04:49,620 --> 01:04:51,870
How many how many days is that
been running?

997
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,360
Many? I don't know how.

998
01:04:55,170 --> 01:04:57,900
I'll bet you you're probably
like 30 or 40% through it all.

999
01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:58,680
If that.

1000
01:04:59,070 --> 01:05:02,070
I don't know where else Alex is
on his because we split the load

1001
01:05:02,070 --> 01:05:02,820
half in half.

1002
01:05:02,970 --> 01:05:05,820
And I'm wondering what you're
doing just so everyone knows.

1003
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:13,770
Yeah. Okay, so we're, we wrote a
tool called Slurpee that will

1004
01:05:13,770 --> 01:05:19,410
bring, they will suck down all
of the enclosures, it'll suck

1005
01:05:19,410 --> 01:05:22,770
down all the the most recent
enclosure from each feed in the

1006
01:05:22,770 --> 01:05:28,140
database in the index and save
it as an mp3 file in the file

1007
01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:33,930
system. Then another, a Python
script comes along behind it,

1008
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,430
that does like a machine
learning algorithm to detect

1009
01:05:38,430 --> 01:05:45,870
whether or not the mute the
audio in that mp3 is music or

1010
01:05:45,870 --> 01:05:49,770
speech in and then it flags one
or the other. So it just goes

1011
01:05:49,770 --> 01:05:52,680
through and does that all
through. It actually gives it

1012
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:59,010
three categories it gives it it
gives it classifies it as either

1013
01:05:59,010 --> 01:06:04,080
music. Maybe, which is kind of
like maybe music but I'm not

1014
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:09,150
sure time to review or nothing.
Yeah, or nothing. Yeah. So the

1015
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:17,610
out of I am on podcasts index
IDX 628,774. So I'm going

1016
01:06:17,610 --> 01:06:22,710
through up to 2 million. And
then Alice has started at 2

1017
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:25,380
million and is going to go
through to the end.

1018
01:06:25,710 --> 01:06:30,060
There's a lot I'm looking at the
curio Castro music tab. There's

1019
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:34,230
more in here. Okay, definitely
more than than the last time I

1020
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:37,290
looked. Let me see. Let me see
how many there it looks like I'm

1021
01:06:37,290 --> 01:06:40,020
missing a few like where did
April Kirby go?

1022
01:06:41,310 --> 01:06:44,010
Oh, yeah. Okay, so this is yeah,
this is from what I started.

1023
01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:49,440
Yep. Yeah, this is me putting
these these in here. So what I'm

1024
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,300
started doing this morning, is
let's just say you queue

1025
01:06:54,300 --> 01:07:02,280
stories. The key is, we're gonna
have to, we're gonna have to as

1026
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,060
run some sort of verification on
this. Because I'm already seeing

1027
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:08,340
a few that may have been
misclassified. You mean

1028
01:07:08,340 --> 01:07:09,240
conversations

1029
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:17,790
with a chef? Let's see what
let's see why the AI this would

1030
01:07:17,790 --> 01:07:20,910
be one of the reasons let's see
how long the intro song is.

1031
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,210
Hi, and welcome to

1032
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:27,870
another episode of conversation
with the chef. I'm Joe Ricci.

1033
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:30,780
And I love sharing with you the
conversations I get to have with

1034
01:07:30,780 --> 01:07:34,530
talented and passionate chefs.
Interesting she had to mute her

1035
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:38,070
mic is so tinny sounding it
almost sounds like it's part of

1036
01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:39,660
the part of the song

1037
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,040
I wonder if you keep going in
that episode. Is there a Music

1038
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,240
Bed through the whole thing?

1039
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:50,640
I'll bet you there is not much
and although we'd like to sit

1040
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,610
Yeah, absolutely not the whole
thing but the first

1041
01:07:54,690 --> 01:07:57,780
and then lots of background
noise for that that first few

1042
01:07:57,780 --> 01:08:02,250
minutes man ai i can't wait
until it's controlling my car so

1043
01:08:03,690 --> 01:08:08,910
good machine ml everybody
machine learning

1044
01:08:09,930 --> 01:08:14,400
jealousy there's a bunch of
things are clearly music but

1045
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,460
yeah, wrapped out radio was
wrapped out radio everybody.

1046
01:08:17,490 --> 01:08:18,900
Let's check it out. Ooh, they

1047
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:20,550
talk to me. You talking about

1048
01:08:21,089 --> 01:08:25,109
talking about dropping a beat
baby go home picking up. Yeah,

1049
01:08:25,109 --> 01:08:30,179
nice, man. It's good stuff. I
gotta listen to I'm already

1050
01:08:30,179 --> 01:08:32,639
digging this. There's some good
stuff. I'll bet where's this?

1051
01:08:33,539 --> 01:08:39,719
See what's the what's the
website? There's, I wonder where

1052
01:08:39,719 --> 01:08:42,029
it's coming from? Is that coming
from SoundCloud? Some of the

1053
01:08:42,029 --> 01:08:42,509
stuff.

1054
01:08:43,020 --> 01:08:45,540
Yes, all of this is actually
coming from SoundCloud what I've

1055
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:48,870
done what I'm doing right now in
in in in an effort to get some

1056
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:52,320
content in there for people to
start playing with for music

1057
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,670
apps. I'm trying to go ahead and
suck in some some of these ones

1058
01:08:56,670 --> 01:09:01,170
that we feel pretty good about.
But to make that even more

1059
01:09:01,170 --> 01:09:04,290
accurate, I'm just I'm only
doing the ones that are on

1060
01:09:04,290 --> 01:09:07,410
SoundCloud for now if they have
a SoundCloud URL, I'm going to

1061
01:09:07,410 --> 01:09:10,620
mark those with them within if
they're on SoundCloud URL in the

1062
01:09:10,650 --> 01:09:15,180
in the the the machine learning
was really confident that it was

1063
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:20,370
music. I'm gonna I'm gonna mark
those right, there's about nine

1064
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:31,980
out of 628,774 it has found so
far. 9775 So, I mean, this is

1065
01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:39,120
really just I want to say that
we we know from talking to some

1066
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,860
other people that there are
definitely going to be music

1067
01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:47,400
podcasts coming down the pipe
soon.

1068
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:52,260
Oh, yeah. Let me just check this
thing. What is this? I? Yeah, we

1069
01:09:52,260 --> 01:09:58,560
back. Me and Darren.
Interesting. I got to say, Oh,

1070
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,490
this is because people haven't
entered To bite length I get

1071
01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:07,350
zero minutes one second but it's
an hour. Oh, I see. Yeah. Anyway

1072
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:12,000
okay, Dave I love this stuff
man. I love this stuff I love

1073
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,230
this this is so cool

1074
01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:17,280
ending on random music interface
for a podcast app or a music

1075
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:19,979
based your life just got a heck
of a lot easier as what we're

1076
01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:21,089
saying yeah, you got

1077
01:10:21,089 --> 01:10:27,089
content now and then if you even
if you have even thought about

1078
01:10:27,089 --> 01:10:30,119
doing that I encourage you to
please go ahead and start coding

1079
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:31,739
something because it's gonna

1080
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:35,130
go fast it's gonna have an
influx go ahead and say we're

1081
01:10:35,130 --> 01:10:36,900
gonna have an influx coming

1082
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,080
yeah that's not that's not just
a prediction That's for real

1083
01:10:40,110 --> 01:10:40,470
Yeah.

1084
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:48,540
Blood force locked down rested
volatile mix cool super duper

1085
01:10:50,220 --> 01:10:53,580
I love this what is air you on
the curio caster pages that were

1086
01:10:53,610 --> 01:10:56,100
Yeah, the music and music
Tennessee number three from the

1087
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:58,710
Top Gun. Guns you underground
radio?

1088
01:10:58,739 --> 01:11:03,449
Sure do. Let's give it a shot.
I'm Joe hippie now. Gongfu short

1089
01:11:03,449 --> 01:11:05,459
Dushane mix present day

1090
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:08,520
present time

1091
01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:10,860
nice

1092
01:11:18,510 --> 01:11:20,820
man, people doing some creative
stuff.

1093
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,390
Oh, yeah. This is a way to get
out there. This is really cool.

1094
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:26,610
All new opportunity. Man just

1095
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:30,420
think anyone could help them.
vie for V enable their feeds

1096
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:34,140
wouldn't take much they can do
it themselves. They can go to

1097
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:36,840
podcast a wallet.com

1098
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,520
I don't. I don't know if you've.
Let's see. Is there anything

1099
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:47,160
else on music? See? Now Oh,
yeah. Well, here's what I guess

1100
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,790
one more thing on music is? How
do we want to go about there's

1101
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:53,550
gonna be some cute human
validation of these things to

1102
01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:56,850
weed out the ones that are
misclassified. And how do we

1103
01:11:56,850 --> 01:12:01,230
want to do that? is sure to be a
UI for that or what? Well,

1104
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,900
podcast events

1105
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:08,669
Oh, this this

1106
01:12:08,670 --> 01:12:12,090
song is is this this feed is
misclassified?

1107
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:15,690
Oh, okay, that's a good idea.
Actually.

1108
01:12:15,930 --> 01:12:16,830
That's why I'm here brother.

1109
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:23,550
Sir, you've you've proven your
utility

1110
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:27,180
should we think a few people
considering Do we have a heart

1111
01:12:27,180 --> 01:12:31,860
out in 45 minutes? Well, we do
we have a heart out we have we

1112
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:35,550
got stuff to do. I can't believe
we you accepted this invitation

1113
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:36,000
time we should

1114
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,280
have said I'm no years old.
Every time you say heart out it

1115
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:39,060
makes me giggle.

1116
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:45,570
Here's what's been coming in
lots of lots of live booths, we

1117
01:12:45,570 --> 01:12:49,290
really appreciate that value for
value this entire project. It's

1118
01:12:49,290 --> 01:12:51,990
all run by the people who
support it and they support it

1119
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:54,840
because it get value from it and
they send it back to us. So I'm

1120
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,420
do it through PayPal. We'll talk
about that in a moment that you

1121
01:12:57,420 --> 01:13:01,020
can get to it podcast index.org
And of course we want you to

1122
01:13:01,020 --> 01:13:03,990
have an app that has a boost
button. If you don't quickly

1123
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:09,870
have a look up go to nude
podcast app.com and select a new

1124
01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:14,640
one for nude one. Freudian slips
5000 SATs Can you explain why

1125
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,990
the transcripts dot SRT spec is
only 2032 character line

1126
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:22,860
lengths? I can't find an export
option with Wasko or whisper to

1127
01:13:22,860 --> 01:13:25,200
manipulate line length or
segment length.

1128
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,010
Then I do I need that even means

1129
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,180
well it's the it's the output I
this is something I don't know.

1130
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:37,770
Well maybe someone can boost an
answer floydian slips again 5000

1131
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:40,950
Here's some stats to buy new Dr.
Pepper. Although with all these

1132
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:44,160
native ads, you probably have a
solid cache of soda. Oh yeah,

1133
01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:48,960
sure. Native. Sure. Yeah, that's
me, Mr. native ad. Oh, what is

1134
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:55,320
this donation? In honor of
episode 200 of grumpy old bands

1135
01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:00,120
and in case you need a new
keyboard from Aaron Oh 500,000

1136
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,830
SATs bolo.

1137
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:05,460
20 is Blaze only Impala.

1138
01:14:06,659 --> 01:14:12,569
Do I get a t shirt now? He says.
Yes, you do. Yes. Yes, you do.

1139
01:14:12,569 --> 01:14:17,549
And he ends up with a go
podcasting. Thank you very much.

1140
01:14:18,150 --> 01:14:21,840
Yes. Just send me your Darren
just send me your T shirt size

1141
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:22,920
and your address. I'll get you
one.

1142
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:27,690
Thank you, brother. That's very
cool. Yeah, Carolyn Carolyn

1143
01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:32,370
comes in with 18,888 No such
thing as too off the rails when

1144
01:14:32,370 --> 01:14:38,820
it comes to podcasting. 2.0 run
with scissors. One on One one

1145
01:14:38,820 --> 01:14:42,360
from hard hat 3333 from
blueberry but my county says

1146
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,740
it's 18 live shows per week on
the no agenda stream. Well,

1147
01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:48,660
that's pretty good. I'd say
there's a lot to be done.

1148
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:53,370
They're 23 and live items 2300
from floydian slips enjoying my

1149
01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:56,730
curio Castor wallet. Anyone
listening should do the same. A

1150
01:14:56,730 --> 01:15:08,670
row of ducks 22222 So two Only
2222 from Eric P. 1419 48. From

1151
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:12,300
Brian of London pod ping is
pinging and hive is living. Yes,

1152
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:18,090
it is. More ducks for the pond
2222 from Mike Dell, the bird is

1153
01:15:18,090 --> 01:15:22,680
free. Oh yeah, well, I'll just
say it right now. Don't be all

1154
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:27,300
don't get too all giddy about
Twitter being free. Because I'm

1155
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:30,240
gonna I'm gonna tell you right
now what's coming next, you will

1156
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,960
be forced to verify your
identity. It's the only way you

1157
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:38,460
can get rid of the spam and the
bots. And then the fun is over.

1158
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:41,670
Because you can get sued for
saying things for trolling, you

1159
01:15:41,670 --> 01:15:44,850
can do things that are wrong in
certain countries. Certainly.

1160
01:15:45,329 --> 01:15:49,199
Did you see what Elon said when
he posted his open letter to

1161
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:53,789
Avatar advertisers? Did you see
that? No. He said, he said a

1162
01:15:53,789 --> 01:16:01,169
lot. But he said, no doubt. As
part of it. He said, I also very

1163
01:16:01,169 --> 01:16:04,169
much believed that advertising
when done right can delight,

1164
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,099
entertain and inform you. It can
show you a service or product or

1165
01:16:08,099 --> 01:16:10,229
medical treatment that you never
knew existed but is right for

1166
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:13,229
you. Right for this to be true.
It is essential to show Twitter

1167
01:16:13,229 --> 01:16:16,979
users advertising that is as
relevant as possible to their

1168
01:16:16,979 --> 01:16:22,379
needs. Low relevancy ads are
spam. But high relevant ads are

1169
01:16:22,379 --> 01:16:26,999
actual content. Fundamentally,
Twitter aspires to be the most

1170
01:16:26,999 --> 01:16:30,539
respected advertising platform
in the world that strengthens

1171
01:16:30,539 --> 01:16:33,539
your brand and grows your
enterprise. Let's build

1172
01:16:33,539 --> 01:16:35,159
something extraordinary
together.

1173
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,490
No, okay, that's fair enough.
Sounds good. Like,

1174
01:16:38,489 --> 01:16:41,789
that's good. But, I mean, if you
think about it, in terms of

1175
01:16:42,179 --> 01:16:46,949
monetizing the network, you
can't get high relevancy from

1176
01:16:46,949 --> 01:16:49,469
the network itself without
invading people's privacy.

1177
01:16:49,890 --> 01:16:54,180
That's the only way and he will
have that and, and the

1178
01:16:54,180 --> 01:16:58,320
government will love it. And
lawyers will love it and the fun

1179
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,780
will be over the trolling will
be over. If it's not anonymous,

1180
01:17:00,780 --> 01:17:02,010
it's not going to be fun.
Anyway,

1181
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:04,530
they're gonna they're gonna be a
better Facebook than Facebook.

1182
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:10,110
Dude, Facebook is so dead. It's
not even funny. They're the only

1183
01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:13,260
halfway down and they only have
a billion dollars in free cash

1184
01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:15,240
flow they generated that's

1185
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:17,699
a problem. That's not good at
all.

1186
01:17:19,050 --> 01:17:25,170
3333 from servo boosting from
Chrome tab 33,333 from blueberry

1187
01:17:25,170 --> 01:17:28,530
self hosting a mastodon instance
has been most excellent join us

1188
01:17:28,530 --> 01:17:31,890
at spooked dot social, where
instead of boosting posts you

1189
01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:35,460
can glow them like a true spook.
Stay tuned after no agenda this

1190
01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:43,350
Sunday for a lit behind the
scheme's all goats must go yeah

1191
01:17:46,170 --> 01:17:53,010
sure. 2022 for Macintosh row
with ducks. Thank you we have I

1192
01:17:53,010 --> 01:17:56,100
think that is it. Yeah, those
are our live booth sweep. And of

1193
01:17:56,100 --> 01:18:00,990
course, you can follow along and
curio Kassar curio caster.com or

1194
01:18:01,020 --> 01:18:06,030
get your alerts right there in
pod verse, pod verse.fm. Or you

1195
01:18:06,030 --> 01:18:08,910
have to go get the app and of
course the pod verse, dot F m

1196
01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:11,430
slash live stream page, which is
very cool. And thank you all so

1197
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:14,640
much for supporting us early on.
Pre boosting before we even got

1198
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:15,750
to the donation segment.

1199
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:23,910
There are 730 830-940-4010 My
God 40 234 of us

1200
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:30,480
don't have 52 Do do you? We got
to have cut offs. Dave 16. Too

1201
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,820
many too many. You got to cut
off man. You got to start

1202
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:35,580
cutting off at 10,080

1203
01:18:35,609 --> 01:18:41,519
I'm trying to add up all these
streams 12345 streaming, what

1204
01:18:41,519 --> 01:18:41,969
streams

1205
01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:43,890
are you doing? I thought you
were adding up number of

1206
01:18:43,890 --> 01:18:46,440
donations and like we can't do
ad donations.

1207
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:50,550
No. I mean, there's there's
Okay, that would that was 90.

1208
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:55,590
Auburn citadel. Sin us. Okay,
we're gonna have to come back to

1209
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:59,610
this. I'll do pay pal. First he
he's got his stream amount set

1210
01:18:59,610 --> 01:19:03,900
to 3333 He's streaming is 3333 a
minute.

1211
01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:07,380
Just do you think he realizes
this? And he did it last week

1212
01:19:07,380 --> 01:19:07,710
too. He's

1213
01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:10,080
got to realize it. Surely he's
done because he'd have to

1214
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:10,800
reload.

1215
01:19:11,670 --> 01:19:13,530
Holy guacamole is

1216
01:19:13,530 --> 01:19:17,820
crap. I will we'll do math on
that in a second. Let's see we

1217
01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:22,290
got some. We got some some
papers starting off Buzzsprout

1218
01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:24,330
$500.

1219
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:29,610
Ah Sakala 20 is blades on am
Paula

1220
01:19:29,610 --> 01:19:32,910
so appreciated. Caller thank you
so much.

1221
01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:37,080
Thank you guys. Thank you, Tom.
so much, guys. Thank you, Kevin.

1222
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,010
In the crew at Buzzsprout. Thank
you every month for that.

1223
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,220
Yeah, thank you for thinking of
us. Yes, we do. Yes we do.

1224
01:19:44,940 --> 01:19:48,300
Also our buddy, Oscar at
fountain

1225
01:19:48,449 --> 01:19:53,639
sorry. This is I just opened in
the world. That's the that's the

1226
01:19:53,639 --> 01:20:00,419
Alby Saturn interface you can go
to live and so it's shows you

1227
01:20:00,419 --> 01:20:04,469
boosts but it also shows you the
per per minute so I was looking

1228
01:20:04,469 --> 01:20:06,779
to see if I can see the 3330
there's

1229
01:20:09,029 --> 01:20:11,219
I thought you're playing Subway
Surfers to get us some more

1230
01:20:11,249 --> 01:20:12,209
download numbers

1231
01:20:12,210 --> 01:20:17,070
and this page has I have to say
so massive, massive confetti

1232
01:20:17,070 --> 01:20:20,190
flying all over it when
something comes in it's it's

1233
01:20:20,190 --> 01:20:24,930
quite spectacular. Oh my
goodness.

1234
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:31,889
Our buddies big spurt. Oscar and
Nick over fountain gave us $200

1235
01:20:31,889 --> 01:20:34,709
They do this every month. I'll
do we're very appreciative.

1236
01:20:34,739 --> 01:20:35,999
Yeah, not an advisor.

1237
01:20:36,750 --> 01:20:37,830
Not not a paid advisor.

1238
01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:42,960
Thank you so much. Oscar. You
have been chatting with Oscar a

1239
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,320
little bit about Bitcoin in the
UK.

1240
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:50,280
He also said that they're once
he's done with all this this

1241
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,530
most recent round of
improvements. They're going to

1242
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:53,430
work on lit.

1243
01:20:54,329 --> 01:20:57,299
Oh, that'd be good. That'd be
good. That's a big missing piece

1244
01:20:57,299 --> 01:21:01,199
there for them. Yeah, it's
because I messaged you because

1245
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:05,669
you don't if you saw it, the UK
had some like they've had some

1246
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:06,899
regulations come.

1247
01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:12,180
I was not. Not not followed or
what happened? What was the was

1248
01:21:12,180 --> 01:21:12,690
the rag?

1249
01:21:13,409 --> 01:21:17,789
I asked him what he thought
about and he said he thinks is a

1250
01:21:17,789 --> 01:21:21,989
net positive. I don't remember
the exact details. Take a look.

1251
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,199
Yeah, they he thinks that he
thinks it was a good thing.

1252
01:21:26,609 --> 01:21:31,649
Jennifer Navarette. She still
has not said how to pronounce

1253
01:21:31,649 --> 01:21:34,229
her name. But she continues to
come in every week.

1254
01:21:34,230 --> 01:21:36,180
It's okay. That way.

1255
01:21:37,050 --> 01:21:39,390
$30 this week,

1256
01:21:39,420 --> 01:21:41,460
thank you. Very appreciated.

1257
01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:45,360
First, thank you. Podcasting has
new life because of podcast

1258
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:50,040
index and 2.0. Y'all rock. This
30 is for the 30 upcoming

1259
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,730
episodes of podcasting in the
blockchain, which is part of the

1260
01:21:53,730 --> 01:21:58,890
November 1, the 30th National
podcast post month mush national

1261
01:21:58,890 --> 01:22:06,480
podcast post month challenge,
aka not pod Pomo hashtag. I aim

1262
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:09,600
to teach folks a bit about the
beautiful blend of podcasting

1263
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,240
2.0 and web three, it's magic.

1264
01:22:12,269 --> 01:22:13,799
Nice to hear.

1265
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:19,199
Thank you, Jennifer. Appreciate
that. And we get $20 donation

1266
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,869
from digitex solutions. No note
but thank you.

1267
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:26,010
Thank you digitary Which does
help this just keep servers

1268
01:22:26,010 --> 01:22:27,630
running? This is really
appreciated.

1269
01:22:28,140 --> 01:22:31,380
Yeah, we did lose. We lost a $20
monthly subscribers.

1270
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:36,990
Yeah, people. Apparently PayPal
just snuck their $2,500 fine

1271
01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:40,980
right back into their acceptable
use policy and just Oh, yeah,

1272
01:22:41,010 --> 01:22:42,300
it's in there. Yep.

1273
01:22:43,050 --> 01:22:47,280
Are you kidding me? No, no no
news at all. They just came

1274
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,240
right back and no

1275
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:52,230
reporting on it as you notice.
It's important to note it's

1276
01:22:52,230 --> 01:22:58,050
important to note the under the
Pay Pal terms and conditions you

1277
01:22:58,050 --> 01:23:03,030
may not post right speak fart
negatively about Pay Pal.

1278
01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:08,340
Otherwise, that is grounds for
them to cut you off. Just

1279
01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:10,200
letting you know. Yeah.

1280
01:23:10,350 --> 01:23:11,520
Well, that's that's a

1281
01:23:11,580 --> 01:23:14,790
that's long term policy. They've
had that policy for a long time.

1282
01:23:15,330 --> 01:23:18,000
Let's do a riff in this way. It
is in sports, too. If you

1283
01:23:18,060 --> 01:23:21,000
badmouth the referee or the
conference that you're a part of

1284
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,570
you get you get heavy, heavy
fine, like they can they can

1285
01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:27,690
smack you down. So got on.

1286
01:23:28,409 --> 01:23:32,159
Yeah, but 2500 bucks right out
of your bank account is a little

1287
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:35,399
different than being smacked
down. It's like, that's a lot of

1288
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:35,939
money.

1289
01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:41,970
Now, that's no, that's, I mean,
that would be devastating. So we

1290
01:23:41,970 --> 01:23:46,110
don't yeah, that's like three
months worth of donations. Well,

1291
01:23:46,110 --> 01:23:51,000
it's not just that if you read
the language, if you support

1292
01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:57,180
something that promotes dismiss
information, you know,

1293
01:23:57,210 --> 01:24:01,710
terrorism, whatever else, you
can get dinged as the financial

1294
01:24:01,710 --> 01:24:02,160
year

1295
01:24:03,089 --> 01:24:04,949
and you also get the 2500 hit

1296
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:10,920
you get the $2,500 hit it's not
the recipient necessarily if you

1297
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,110
are funding that yes

1298
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:19,800
it's it stands me that they did
it and then apologized and said

1299
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:23,250
oh no, no, we didn't mean to and
then immediately went back and

1300
01:24:23,250 --> 01:24:23,940
did it again

1301
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:28,500
doesn't does it as does it
really it doesn't really

1302
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:29,250
surprise you.

1303
01:24:31,079 --> 01:24:35,429
That kind of does honestly that
that does because they were so

1304
01:24:36,209 --> 01:24:41,759
like I don't know they were so
like anonymous apologetic but

1305
01:24:41,759 --> 01:24:44,489
they were like oh no, no, no, we
didn't meet that wasn't supposed

1306
01:24:44,549 --> 01:24:48,209
to be that was just a draft
proposal. Some wording. I don't

1307
01:24:48,209 --> 01:24:52,109
think that no one does surprise
me. Yeah. That they came back

1308
01:24:52,109 --> 01:24:53,579
within just went right back in
there.

1309
01:24:53,909 --> 01:24:57,779
None of this surprises me. This
is why we got together two and a

1310
01:24:57,779 --> 01:25:03,509
half years ago. Yeah. None of it
surprises me all right we got

1311
01:25:03,509 --> 01:25:03,959
any more

1312
01:25:03,989 --> 01:25:05,969
prepare for the future but you
don't like to see happen.

1313
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:10,049
I think it's exciting that even
though we got her we got her

1314
01:25:10,079 --> 01:25:15,479
pretty pretty good by by people
canceling PayPal. Those are the

1315
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:19,799
Sustaining monthly donations
they matter. They matter. Six by

1316
01:25:19,799 --> 01:25:23,639
the way we celebrated 15 years
of the it's the celebrate the

1317
01:25:23,639 --> 01:25:28,019
15th anniversary week this week
for no agenda. Happy birthday.

1318
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:30,869
Thank you. It was it's it you
know what the hard part about

1319
01:25:30,869 --> 01:25:33,989
value for value? It's hard after
all these years and for all the

1320
01:25:33,989 --> 01:25:36,959
value that people have provided.
I'm talking and of show mixers,

1321
01:25:36,959 --> 01:25:41,669
artists, I mean, you know, you
can't thank everybody. And if

1322
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:47,099
you try you, you'd miss
hundreds. It's possible. Yeah,

1323
01:25:47,129 --> 01:25:51,179
but it's anyway. Yes. We made it
15 years, we're still alive.

1324
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,440
Do you have access to a
calculator? I do. Can you

1325
01:25:55,440 --> 01:26:00,120
calculate what 3333 times 108
is?

1326
01:26:00,930 --> 01:26:09,090
Okay. 3333 times 108 359,964

1327
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:12,090
Bagram citadel? Yeah. Oh.

1328
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:17,070
SATCOM Sakala 20 his blades only
Impala

1329
01:26:17,550 --> 01:26:20,970
nice so I don't think he had the
streaming set for that. I think

1330
01:26:20,970 --> 01:26:23,130
it was just he was boosting
without a boost to Graham.

1331
01:26:23,850 --> 01:26:25,620
Every minute. Yeah, why

1332
01:26:25,620 --> 01:26:29,280
not? It wouldn't it wouldn't
show up in your list if it

1333
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:30,150
wasn't a boost

1334
01:26:34,260 --> 01:26:38,790
you may be right how did he I'm
gonna have to invent this this

1335
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:41,130
is calls for investing Where did
he Where did where did he boost

1336
01:26:41,130 --> 01:26:43,410
from what app fountain

1337
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:47,610
maybe just kept hitting it

1338
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,700
huh? I'm gonna have this dis
requires investigation. I'm

1339
01:26:53,700 --> 01:26:54,750
gonna get to the bottom of the
web,

1340
01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:57,210
minus 30 minutes for your heart
out.

1341
01:26:59,610 --> 01:27:04,320
That's what that means speed up.
Really Schonfeld? 54321.

1342
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:12,000
And may I say? The latest breeze
update? Oh, my goodness. The

1343
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:14,970
Have you have you used breeze
since update?

1344
01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:18,960
I have not opened it. But I know
that it notified me that I

1345
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,240
needed to because it said my
chain was out of sync.

1346
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:27,870
You will love it. It feels like
a feather. Oh, it is so fast. It

1347
01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:31,050
is it things are just it feels
like it's like I don't know

1348
01:27:31,050 --> 01:27:33,480
what, I can't even explain it.
But of course, you know, I use

1349
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:37,410
all these apps. So you feel that
difference? The payments work

1350
01:27:37,410 --> 01:27:41,220
faster, or at least what's
shown. It's good is and the

1351
01:27:41,220 --> 01:27:43,560
podcasting features are kind of
coming up there and is that

1352
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,080
really working hard or making a
good podcast app in it?

1353
01:27:46,829 --> 01:27:50,429
Okay, I just opened in Linux
sync and then I'll use it on way

1354
01:27:50,429 --> 01:27:55,169
back to the office. Rosenfeld
54321 Thank you, Roy.

1355
01:27:55,530 --> 01:27:55,890
Roy.

1356
01:27:56,220 --> 01:28:01,890
Yeah 10,000 SAS from absurd
didn't note thank you absurd

1357
01:28:01,890 --> 01:28:06,600
isn't 2222 from coal McCormick,
he says boosting while having my

1358
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,510
nightly dessert, frozen
blueberries and raw cream from

1359
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:11,610
rural farms in Fresno,
California.

1360
01:28:12,750 --> 01:28:24,030
Ducks. 5552 from Satoshi stream
will smiley face. And another

1361
01:28:24,030 --> 01:28:29,160
one for 5252 Excuse me 5582 From
Satoshi stream in the Gnosis

1362
01:28:29,310 --> 01:28:37,410
speaking slowly as hard. It is.
Mere Mortals podcast is our

1363
01:28:37,410 --> 01:28:40,710
friend chyron. He says long form
and unedited are my favorite

1364
01:28:40,710 --> 01:28:45,420
podcasts by far. One and I also
regularly call each other out on

1365
01:28:45,420 --> 01:28:50,010
and off air for the repetitive
non useful words. Like is a

1366
01:28:50,010 --> 01:28:52,890
serial offender for me. And the
classic Aussie positive

1367
01:28:52,890 --> 01:28:55,170
negative. Yeah, no or no. Yeah.

1368
01:28:55,740 --> 01:29:00,270
Yeah, no. This I think relates
to the conversation we had about

1369
01:29:00,270 --> 01:29:06,690
the editing the decent roof
editing tool, I think. Yeah. And

1370
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,510
there's one of the things I
wanted to mention about that. I

1371
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:17,790
hear in regularly, I'd say maybe
once every 10 days out here, an

1372
01:29:17,790 --> 01:29:20,940
edit that was not picked up,
which I think is the fault of

1373
01:29:20,940 --> 01:29:25,230
the script. And I'm not sure if
it's a bug. And I and I hear

1374
01:29:25,230 --> 01:29:29,460
James do it a lot. And I heard
one on pod news this week. Yeah,

1375
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:32,400
I hear them all the time. And
he'll he'll pick it up but then

1376
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,700
it wasn't corrected and the Edit
wasn't made. And I wonder if

1377
01:29:35,700 --> 01:29:39,840
it's, it could be where you're
if you're just reading. If

1378
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,720
you're just reading the
transcript and you're making

1379
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,110
your edits that way it may be
very easy to miss a double word,

1380
01:29:46,110 --> 01:29:49,950
you know, end of end of previous
line beginning of the next line.

1381
01:29:50,460 --> 01:29:54,660
That's what it sounds like a
little bit sometimes when you

1382
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:58,590
read it as a perfect sentence.
Use your ears, people

1383
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,270
I like I like it when that
happens because I get to laugh

1384
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:04,830
at him in the car while I'm
driving.

1385
01:30:05,369 --> 01:30:07,619
Why are we even that you're
right our secret little

1386
01:30:07,619 --> 01:30:14,459
humorous? Guilty pleasure. Yes.
ruined it ruined it.

1387
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:19,410
Okay. That was 22 to 22. From
Karen. Thank you guys.

1388
01:30:19,650 --> 01:30:24,420
Appreciate you all anonymous
1337 says, what if? What if you

1389
01:30:24,420 --> 01:30:27,930
shift some of the opinions and
thoughts on GitHub issues into

1390
01:30:27,930 --> 01:30:29,250
GitHub discussions?

1391
01:30:29,819 --> 01:30:32,219
I think that magazine trended
Yeah, I think, given this

1392
01:30:32,219 --> 01:30:34,259
discussion, yeah, absolutely.
Good idea.

1393
01:30:34,739 --> 01:30:39,719
I'm taking that that approach of
feral apothecaries and as 1400

1394
01:30:39,719 --> 01:30:43,199
SAS they found a no note. Thank
you, feral apothecary. True.

1395
01:30:43,259 --> 01:30:49,589
True ghee. True grits. True
grits. Since 17010. That's the

1396
01:30:49,619 --> 01:30:53,909
Star Trek boost was 1701 says
you have got to bring Chris last

1397
01:30:53,909 --> 01:30:57,029
from Jupiter broadcasting back
on about this very subject of

1398
01:30:57,029 --> 01:30:59,489
using the Lightning Network to
transform software development.

1399
01:30:59,669 --> 01:31:02,219
I know this is something that he
has had a lot of thoughts on

1400
01:31:02,219 --> 01:31:05,279
over the past few months. I
always was glad to have

1401
01:31:05,279 --> 01:31:10,139
Christmas. Yeah, for sure me.
Boost. Permanent invitation.

1402
01:31:10,409 --> 01:31:14,369
Farrell, apothecary 20 202
Fountain No, no note again. He's

1403
01:31:14,579 --> 01:31:22,199
got Hey citizen through pod
verse 6969. And the note here is

1404
01:31:22,499 --> 01:31:24,959
DROP TABLE gimlet semicolon

1405
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:34,079
we've got another one from a
citizen 6969 says Drop

1406
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:37,469
tablespace podcasting underscore
industrial underscore complex

1407
01:31:37,469 --> 01:31:44,489
semicolon 16 I did a bit of a
little bit of database humor

1408
01:31:44,489 --> 01:31:49,739
there. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Yes.
10,000 SATs from Sir. Doug go

1409
01:31:49,739 --> 01:31:59,309
podcasting. Thank you sir. Coral
hummingbird says 69,420 SATs

1410
01:31:59,309 --> 01:32:01,019
through breeze. Wow. I

1411
01:32:01,020 --> 01:32:05,370
think we should get a little a
little big boost. Maybe a boost

1412
01:32:05,370 --> 01:32:06,690
boost boost. Thank you.

1413
01:32:07,020 --> 01:32:09,720
Well, that matches up just fine
because of coral hummingbirds

1414
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,160
node is developers developers
developers. Boost boost. You

1415
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:14,640
felt it?

1416
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:15,870
I did I guess

1417
01:32:17,399 --> 01:32:24,659
Steve Webb OG God casters 77777.
Their fountain the striper

1418
01:32:24,659 --> 01:32:29,429
boost. That's right. The work he
says the work of PC 2.0 is

1419
01:32:29,429 --> 01:32:31,379
changing the world at the speed
of science.

1420
01:32:32,730 --> 01:32:38,460
Yeah, we're getting the the oh
what's it called Dave the family

1421
01:32:38,490 --> 01:32:44,550
the family of ah, that huge
podcast network they got 3

1422
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:49,290
million Focus on the Family.
Focus on the Family. Yeah. So

1423
01:32:49,290 --> 01:32:51,480
we're helping them out a little
bit you more than me because you

1424
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:53,760
know all this stuff better. But
you figured out what their

1425
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,490
problem was? I didn't quite
understand the problem, I guess.

1426
01:32:57,029 --> 01:32:59,909
Yeah. Dewpoint no bringing
bringing them along.

1427
01:33:00,569 --> 01:33:03,809
That's a big God cast network.
Congrats to

1428
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:06,600
everyone who has contributed
their time talent or treasure to

1429
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:10,200
make it happen. Thank you. I
invite all to join me as we read

1430
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:13,020
through the Bible in a year at
audio Bible dot link go

1431
01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:13,710
podcasting?

1432
01:33:13,770 --> 01:33:15,390
Indeed go podcast

1433
01:33:19,050 --> 01:33:25,440
this is 2020 52 sets from the
tone wrecker. I mean like

1434
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:30,420
record. That sounds like a like
a wrestler like a WWE thing. Oh

1435
01:33:30,420 --> 01:33:40,470
the tone. Thinking no note from
the tone record 40 A 407 says

1436
01:33:40,470 --> 01:33:43,980
from Brian of London and hive
Dao and V for V app and he says

1437
01:33:43,980 --> 01:33:46,890
I can't say much more but we
largely won our little court

1438
01:33:46,890 --> 01:33:50,340
skirmish last week. Meta won't
get too creepy personal details

1439
01:33:50,340 --> 01:33:51,210
they asked us for

1440
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:53,610
are you better hurry up man that
could be out of money by the

1441
01:33:53,610 --> 01:33:54,960
time you win all that crap

1442
01:33:58,050 --> 01:34:00,120
would that not be the biggest
kick in the crotch?

1443
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,570
It would be horrible if they
completely went bankrupt just at

1444
01:34:03,570 --> 01:34:07,980
the time when and by the way, if
Brian wins, they will bankrupt

1445
01:34:08,130 --> 01:34:10,650
they will be big they will be
bankrupt yes

1446
01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:15,330
we're safe guys. We got $100
billion in the bank we got

1447
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:22,140
injured the GM Brian comes along
and bingo. Dobby dice 21 Oh 12

1448
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:25,620
Oh nice. 21,012 sets the
fountain and he says boost

1449
01:34:25,619 --> 01:34:28,319
and that is a rush boost boost.

1450
01:34:29,729 --> 01:34:32,939
It violates that is intended to
be a rush boost. I've got a

1451
01:34:32,939 --> 01:34:33,659
yellow card.

1452
01:34:33,689 --> 01:34:34,919
That's right flag.

1453
01:34:35,579 --> 01:34:42,749
There's like a row in there.
Yes. And 2222 for Macintosh row

1454
01:34:42,749 --> 01:34:45,419
ducks Macintosh. Nope.

1455
01:34:46,979 --> 01:34:48,209
Got your ducks right here.

1456
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,010
And finishing up with the
delimiter comma street blogger.

1457
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:59,250
15,033 Sassy says howdy David
Adam. live happy. And by the

1458
01:34:59,250 --> 01:35:02,520
way, a warm humbly invite you
and your audience to listen to

1459
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,610
the podcast about artificial
intelligence neighbor narrated

1460
01:35:05,610 --> 01:35:09,630
by the British voice of Gregory
William Forsythe Forman, the TV

1461
01:35:09,630 --> 01:35:13,440
show developer. Just enter AI
dot cooking in your web browser

1462
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,780
or in your podcast player app.
Yo.

1463
01:35:20,069 --> 01:35:23,999
jasa, thank everybody. Thank
you, everybody for your support

1464
01:35:24,029 --> 01:35:29,399
of the show. Good numbers. Nice.
Nice boost today. Oh, I love

1465
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:33,179
that. Thank you so much the
valley. And so this is the value

1466
01:35:33,179 --> 01:35:37,109
return. And this is how it
should work. And it's not going

1467
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:40,019
to be much more than three or 4%
of the people who participate in

1468
01:35:40,019 --> 01:35:43,439
the project, listen to the
podcast, but everybody can

1469
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,979
participate in many different
ways, providing value back to

1470
01:35:46,979 --> 01:35:49,229
podcast and to porno, and thank
you so much.

1471
01:35:49,859 --> 01:35:54,029
We get some get some monthlies
to finish that off. And it's pod

1472
01:35:54,029 --> 01:35:57,029
news. James over there upon you
send us $50 Thank you, James.

1473
01:35:57,719 --> 01:36:02,909
Well, Shawn McCune $20 Jeff
Miller $20 And by the way, Jeff,

1474
01:36:02,909 --> 01:36:06,869
I looked, Jeff has been
supporting us with a $20

1475
01:36:06,869 --> 01:36:08,999
subscription since September of
2020.

1476
01:36:09,359 --> 01:36:15,299
Hey, there's something wrong
here. But I can't What is this?

1477
01:36:15,929 --> 01:36:20,849
It's very sad news. I just got a
live boost from Sam Sethi.

1478
01:36:21,599 --> 01:36:26,459
10,000 SATs. Another great show
guys can't wait for the Spurlock

1479
01:36:26,459 --> 01:36:31,409
interview. But it's goodbye from
pod land episode 100. Next week

1480
01:36:31,529 --> 01:36:32,879
is our last one.

1481
01:36:33,689 --> 01:36:34,889
Whoa, what?

1482
01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:39,480
I what I understand

1483
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,770
this is they must be I heard

1484
01:36:43,769 --> 01:36:46,919
him joking on the show. I'm
like, maybe they're changing the

1485
01:36:46,919 --> 01:36:51,749
format or something. Don't get
me all. If this is your idea of

1486
01:36:51,749 --> 01:36:55,709
some kind of promotional item
where you get me all emotionally

1487
01:36:55,709 --> 01:36:59,849
involved. Because I like pod
land is one of the podcasts I

1488
01:36:59,879 --> 01:37:02,519
listened to religiously. I'm
pissed off when it doesn't come

1489
01:37:02,519 --> 01:37:03,479
in on Thursday.

1490
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:07,499
Guys, it's it's October 28 is
not April 1. This is not

1491
01:37:07,499 --> 01:37:08,069
appropriate.

1492
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:14,730
Anyway, if it is, then you know,
Sam, I'll do a podcast with Sam.

1493
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,920
I have I have another I have a
day somewhere don't I?

1494
01:37:17,489 --> 01:37:18,689
Yeah. Wednesday.

1495
01:37:22,290 --> 01:37:23,700
Thank you, Sam. Appreciate that.

1496
01:37:24,630 --> 01:37:28,350
Cone gloss bucks in his $5
Christopher Raymer $10 James

1497
01:37:28,350 --> 01:37:34,680
Sullivan $10 Jordan Dunnville
$10 Paul Saltzman $22.22 Paul,

1498
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:40,440
dribs Scott $15. Also a
subscription since September of

1499
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:45,000
2020, almost as the beginning,
Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Lesley

1500
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:51,420
Martin $2 Pedro con calvess $5.
And also since September 2020,

1501
01:37:51,420 --> 01:37:53,820
Aaron Renaud $5

1502
01:37:54,060 --> 01:37:59,520
Thank you all so much for
supporting podcasting 2.0 Boost

1503
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:03,060
more often boost booths, people.

1504
01:38:04,649 --> 01:38:08,909
Do you know just on a lark?
Well, we're at 211

1505
01:38:08,939 --> 01:38:14,429
we have we have 90 minutes to
manage 19 for the heart. Ouch.

1506
01:38:18,329 --> 01:38:19,949
Thanks, control room. Thanks,

1507
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:25,110
Rob. Just for just for giggles.
I pulled our download numbers

1508
01:38:25,110 --> 01:38:26,040
from the OP three.

1509
01:38:26,670 --> 01:38:29,490
Oh, good, because I want to I
had a question about that. Yeah.

1510
01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:32,550
So what range and what did you
do? What did we get here?

1511
01:38:32,970 --> 01:38:38,610
And then while he's printed this
out looks like just a few off

1512
01:38:38,610 --> 01:38:43,050
the off the cuff stats here. So
we got our biggest podcasting

1513
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:46,500
two point or the podcast Nippon
2.0 app that people listened to

1514
01:38:46,500 --> 01:38:55,170
us the most honest fountain and
then we'll see looking through

1515
01:38:55,170 --> 01:38:58,920
so we got this fountain will
obviously apples to the Apple

1516
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:05,010
podcast app fountain, Google
Chrome. That's number two. So

1517
01:39:05,010 --> 01:39:08,670
Chrome is the second most it's
probably curio Castro, but I

1518
01:39:08,670 --> 01:39:12,240
would think so. Yeah, probably
Pocket Cast is right behind that

1519
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:16,620
then antenna pod, podcast
addict, overcast.

1520
01:39:17,429 --> 01:39:23,039
And how many Apple will see
seeing an apple it's only up to

1521
01:39:23,039 --> 01:39:25,589
seven. So it's very low on the
scale.

1522
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:30,180
Is the Apple iPhone generic is
probably the streaming so it's

1523
01:39:30,330 --> 01:39:33,000
it's somewhere. I'm thinking
that somewhere probably around

1524
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,550
2500 app, Apple podcasts.

1525
01:39:36,359 --> 01:39:38,489
And this is over what period?

1526
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,349
This is for. I just picked our
steak and eggs episode one. Oh,

1527
01:39:43,409 --> 01:39:45,899
just one episode. Oh, so how
many total?

1528
01:39:46,649 --> 01:39:54,509
How many total was flipped over
here? 7355. There are 99 of

1529
01:39:54,509 --> 01:39:55,559
those were bots.

1530
01:39:56,489 --> 01:39:58,469
How many? Seven 7000 usin.

1531
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:02,790
That's that's Total downloads.
And so if you it's going to be

1532
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:09,270
rearranged is somewhere around
1400 I think and so I think the

1533
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:13,920
total true number is around
4000.

1534
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:17,580
Now sounds good. Sounds about
right. This more than I thought

1535
01:40:17,580 --> 01:40:18,090
actually

1536
01:40:18,689 --> 01:40:22,079
get a little more than that
thought to. But then our, our

1537
01:40:22,079 --> 01:40:25,739
most will see we Chicago is
still the first that's probably

1538
01:40:25,739 --> 01:40:29,459
just an artifact within Dallas,
maybe get some regional stuff is

1539
01:40:29,459 --> 01:40:33,929
cool. Yeah, just curiosity. More
than anything,

1540
01:40:33,989 --> 01:40:37,169
because I think how many
episodes have no agenda have I

1541
01:40:37,169 --> 01:40:38,189
put up there now?

1542
01:40:39,569 --> 01:40:42,119
Quite a few. Yeah. We haven't
that every week or?

1543
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:44,339
Yeah, every show. Do we have a
month's worth yet?

1544
01:40:45,420 --> 01:40:46,890
Oh, that we do. Do?

1545
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,150
Do we don't let me see. That
would be we have to finish up.

1546
01:40:51,330 --> 01:40:54,030
How does it work? You have to
finish out the month right. So

1547
01:40:54,030 --> 01:41:00,750
we may see favorite feeds or
favorite feeds? No agenda. Here

1548
01:41:00,750 --> 01:41:09,630
we go. Let me see. A month ago
would be I think episode 1490.

1549
01:41:09,630 --> 01:41:13,380
That was on podcast index run
now. Now that we need it needs

1550
01:41:13,380 --> 01:41:15,540
to be 1491.

1551
01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:23,070
Yep. 1491 had op three in it.
Yep. Okay, so 1490 had it in it.

1552
01:41:24,420 --> 01:41:25,800
And 1489.

1553
01:41:25,949 --> 01:41:29,519
Right, right. But we need to
finish out we need to finish out

1554
01:41:29,519 --> 01:41:32,099
the month. We'll just do it over
the date range. Not not the

1555
01:41:32,099 --> 01:41:35,969
episode, but I just want to know
how many suppose it so called

1556
01:41:35,969 --> 01:41:37,139
downloads in a month.

1557
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:42,690
So not September 25 was the
first episode that had mp3 in

1558
01:41:42,690 --> 01:41:45,360
it. And so we're already past
the month mark. We're on October

1559
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:48,329
28. Okay. Oh, so we can pull
that we can pull that data?

1560
01:41:48,779 --> 01:41:51,569
Sure. Thanks. So we can
calculate how much we would make

1561
01:41:51,569 --> 01:41:56,279
with advertising. That's the
only reason I do it. Get a kick

1562
01:41:56,279 --> 01:42:00,959
out of it. But we look how rich
we could be doing it right.

1563
01:42:02,010 --> 01:42:05,820
No, we don't have we don't have
an exit. We'll just go down with

1564
01:42:05,820 --> 01:42:06,270
the ship.

1565
01:42:07,319 --> 01:42:10,109
Let me see. I don't think I had
anything else. That's all. I

1566
01:42:10,109 --> 01:42:13,559
mean, at least not not that
aren't longer topics to dive

1567
01:42:13,559 --> 01:42:14,039
into.

1568
01:42:15,090 --> 01:42:17,190
Oh, let's get some stuff.

1569
01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:22,020
I'm just looking at our 14
minutes we have left for our

1570
01:42:22,020 --> 01:42:26,370
hurricane. Okay, I'm just
saying. Like, nevermind, we got

1571
01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:29,340
142 on the clock, buddy. I think
we're good. We've done it. Once

1572
01:42:29,340 --> 01:42:31,350
again. We've gotten through a
whole board meeting without

1573
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:31,890
fighting.

1574
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:34,830
Which we do so much.

1575
01:42:36,689 --> 01:42:38,939
Thank you everybody in the chat
room. Thank you everybody who's

1576
01:42:38,939 --> 01:42:42,899
listening live. You can do that
on curio cast or you can do it

1577
01:42:42,899 --> 01:42:46,859
on pod verse. But of course, all
of the podcasting 2.0 apps add

1578
01:42:46,859 --> 01:42:51,119
new podcast apps.com Nude
podcast apps.com And if you want

1579
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:54,449
to join in, go to podcast index
dot social and request an invite

1580
01:42:54,449 --> 01:42:57,539
and we'll hook you up. Thank
you, brother. Another great week

1581
01:42:57,539 --> 01:43:02,369
Dave? Nothing but the future's
so bright. You gotta wear

1582
01:43:02,369 --> 01:43:06,059
shades. We will be back next
week with another episode or

1583
01:43:06,089 --> 01:43:09,269
should I just say another board
meeting of podcasting? 2.0 Take

1584
01:43:09,269 --> 01:43:10,049
care everybody. See

1585
01:43:10,050 --> 01:43:30,660
you then. Bye bye. You have been
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1586
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:34,440
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