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Do you like you're ready?

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I'm ready. I'm ready. I was born
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Let's do it. Adam curry,

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John C. Dvorak.

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It's Thursday, August 11 2016.
This is your award winning give

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donation media assassination
episode 850. This is no agenda.

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Sitting in a jersey fleabag
motel and broadcasting almost

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live from the Garden State here
in FEMA Region three in the

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morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,

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and from Northern Silicon Valley
where I remain from John C.

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Dvorak.

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Hey, I'm hitting it, but it's
not go.

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Buzzkill.

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I think we keep it don't do a
thing was great.

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Yeah, probably okay. It's just
we're still talking. Yeah,

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throwback

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to the good old days when
conductivity was crap. And

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today's not that much better.
Really? Well, you're sounding

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reason,

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a little better. In fact, let's
explain what we're up to here.

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Because you say you said you
preface the show with your lead

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in by saying almost live.

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That's right. We are not live at
this moment. For this particular

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program. I am on a brief
vacation. John, you were on a

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brief vacation one show. That's
about all we do.

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Yeah, we wash it once in a
while. And I think this is a

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number of years ago, we did two

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in a row. And we could also just
do a show right now. And it

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would be very simple. It would
be everyone hates Donald Trump.

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And that was the show. Goodbye,

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everybody. Yeah, everyone hates
Donald Trump.

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So this is one of these shows
that we'd like to put together

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from time to time we've been
doing it since episode 200

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became 200.5. And the most
recent one we did, for some

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reason became 200. No, no, it
was a progression. So 200.7 That

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was almost a year ago, a little
over a year ago.

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Right. And that was after 2.6
which is about three a year

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three years earlier or something
like that. Yeah, we did three of

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these. Yeah, and on the last one
I will and you'll hear it

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because you're gonna hear this
this show this

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we we've kind of stack them on
top of each other and yeah, it

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is like an onion. Exactly.

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And what you're gonna hear is us
promising show to never do this

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again.

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To do another 200.5 from scratch
because what you have is a shirt

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older and older progression and
show 200.5 is an old that's a

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long time ago that's a 600

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shows ago and the quality was so
different.

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The quality was mediocre and I
have to say this I didn't notice

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this the first time or the
second time we were pretty show

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200.5 which is going to be
reprises for a third time. You

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had you had us I don't know what
mic you were using but it was

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crap. And compared to the road
that you have now. Yeah. Also, I

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was listening on a pop and like
a son of a bitch. There's lots

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of stuff wrong with that pop pop
pop,

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you know there was always my
quest from now going on in my

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11th year to create a very small
all digital portable system that

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you could pretty much run off of
your laptop anywhere. And I

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think after 200.5 Somewhere in
the three hundreds I'd said

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screw it and I just got the
whole huge bunch of outboard

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gear which was completely not
portable, but it sounded better

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and and then we were just doing
trips again and we decided to

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try it on all digital and at one
point I because yeah, you have

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to listen to the sound you have
to monitor the final signal

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otherwise you have to what a lot
of people do is go back and they

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add compression and all these
things after the fact that it

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never works out though that well
but in order to do that back in

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the day I think I explained it
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like a like a half second delay
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doing the show

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which was what you're driving me
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well you don't use headphones at
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and I'm not gonna be deaf like
all these other guys.

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So the quality is decent today
although I don't know for some

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reason the dongle is is
crunching a little bit here and

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there. But as I was listening
last night I also heard us say

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hello to us from the future.
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listening to the show in the

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past I wanted to be the first to
say hello hello to the US in the

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next future. Yes okay. Do your
Adele Hello my friend in the

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future. I

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came on the other day and before
the song really kicks in She

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sounds just like you. It's
uncanny. Hello now the real the

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read the reason we like to do
these shows and the reason why I

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think the stacking is okay in
this case is there's so many

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things that newcomers really
don't have a grasp on things we

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talk about things we say the
Genesis even of in the morning

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we show here coming up. Here's I
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It has taken some people who I
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what an evergreen is. And we
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evergreen Yeah, but it's not
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know, we make that mistake a
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if you're in some industry, you
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inside chatter the inside, right
phrases, the inside stuff like

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it when the newspapers if you
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there's a thing called the lead
the beginning of the whatever

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you're writing is the lead,
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of the time, you won't realize
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e, d e, a lot of people don't
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Because why would you do that?
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a lead le ad. Now you do
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as gra F, everything that you
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all misspelled on purpose. So
they don't end up in the copy.

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Oh, is that the reason why I
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you

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want you want to make sure.
That's why everything is

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completely misspelled that this
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go, you got to do this, you got
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always misspelled. So it draws
attention to Oh, God, this good

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stuff was slipped into the copy.
If you put Well, this is a

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pretty good lead. Somebody could
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be the first sentence.

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Oh, I didn't realize that.

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And so that's just a bit draw
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Another word.

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I'm sorry. Sorry, no, you're
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Another term that we use is ISO.
And if you just roll into that,

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what the hell is an ISO? And I
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the word I saw, I was 19. I just
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the Netherlands. And it was in
Dutch. So what the hell is and

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so as I as Oh, which is the
short for isolated? And then and

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you know, when you're working in
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didn't want to ask I mean, I
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director did I really remember
that. So what happened is the

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director do except yell at
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he but I saw directors that I
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the way I learned is a camera
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switching system, but also has a
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So you have an isolated
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actually, when you look at it,
it means a lot of different

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things, but it doesn't mean
isolated or isolation. And we

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use it. Yeah, I use it just for
a little clips of clips. Yeah.

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more it's more like a standalone
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gonna see maybe I have an
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you probably

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have other little phrases we
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here's here's an example of an
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Warren, take them out now. So
that's an ISO but comes from a

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longer clip and we isolate a
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mistake. That happens a truce.
I'm human. Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, that's my favorite of the
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proves me human proves I'm
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From one year ago, there are a
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different. First of all,

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your comedic timing, and I don't
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the the gear that we're using
that we hear each other better.

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And the timing is better. And I
guess we have low latency,

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pretty low latency on the Skype,
your comedic timing has gotten

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impeccable. With your, your
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and

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I heard new ones that I hadn't
heard the third time I heard

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this show.

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Oh my god, you throw things in
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off color. Yes.

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Oh, yeah, for sure.

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There's something there's
something that I wanted to bring

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up. And that is the chat room
and and on the last note two

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shows ago on 848. I quit the
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explain exactly how the chat
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much producing the technical end
of the show. And you don't look

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at the chat room and that that's
that's good. Actually, I think

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that's a good thing. That when
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because like that way I can
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third party, an outsider, right.
But Chatham do this and that and

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I'm actually curious going

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so when I'm producing the show,
I have my hands full. I got you

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know, I'm looking for clips and
I'm listening to you which is of

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course why often don't hear your
fantastic comedic zingers they

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are zingers I got my foot on the
on the mute switch in case Oh,

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that's

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right. You're still like the one
man band I am from top to tail

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between your legs and your
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So on my screen I have a number
of things. I have alerts if if

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certain emails come through
because people do respond in

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real time. I have a back channel
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little bit off to the side. And
that's in, you know, if we have

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technical issues, that's where
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are sitting in there. And they
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say the chat room, it's pretty
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in a terminal window. So it's
just scrolling by, and there's

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some highlights, you know, some
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person's handled, etc. And, of
course, when someone also says

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something directly to me in the
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so it's integrated into
everything I do. And this stems

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from, I think, I was thinking
about why, why am I able to do

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this, you know, like, I just
pick things out to see the

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scrolling by all the time, and
sometimes there's something

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really good in there, and I'm
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realize it stems back to that
must have been 10. And I was

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talking to Uncle Don, who, of
course, you know, famous CIA guy

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went along as an ambassador, and
all kinds of stuff. And we've

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talked about him many times on
the show. And he told me, I

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remember him telling me a story
about a group of guys that he

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worked with. And he I don't
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he was talking about CIA at the
time was so young. But I recall

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very distinctly saying we had
these guys who were very good at

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neural network recognition, I
think that's the term he used.

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And what that meant was, he had
there were guys who could look

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at a map, an aerial map, and
because of their neural ability,

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they could see patterns and say,
Oh, that looks like a covered up

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airbase are that looks like they
had that capability. And maybe

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that stuck in my brain, because
I have this capability to pull

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things out. Sadly, I also pull
the things out that are shit,

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that really pissed me off, when
I really don't need it. So my

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point is, the chat room truly is
integrated into everything we

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do, at least from from my side.
And if if the signal to noise is

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off than then then it messes
with my head, I can't do it. So

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it's important for people to
understand that when you're in

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the chat room, and you hear
everyone's chatting around and

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making jokes, and sometimes
these jokes are funny, we bring

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up punch lines in the chat room
all the time. But often, you

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know, when no one says Oh, what
was it the other day like? Oh,

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someone better try that
conversion therapy on Curry's

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daughter. It's like, I didn't
need it at that moment. So I

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know when Yeah, what's his? What
was it the other day like, Oh,

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someone better try that
conversion therapy on Curry's

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daughter. It's like, I didn't
need it at that moment. So I

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gotta get

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to the trigger point was when
somebody says whatever it is,

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he's always they're always
defending Trump.

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That was the right that was the
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didn't bring that up as you go
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along with we have a latency
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shame. Yeah, I'm going to fix it

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for the next show. The
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for the show. And the irony of
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presidential candidate who is
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candidate. And who continuously
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is dishonest, mainstream media
sucks. They lie. They're no

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good. We do our job at
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doing. And a lot of it I look at
the TV's like, you can play the

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game, switch the channel. And if
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say Trump then never watch the
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doesn't happen, it's always it's
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talking about Trump. So there's
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don't we don't investigate.
We're not necessarily

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journalist. we deconstruct
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every single time. And the irony
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the media is dishonest. We show
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we get penalized. We literally
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because people think we're big
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a note from Professor Dave
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contributors, and I thought I'd
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of funny. You're ready. Yeah,
I'm there. Hey there crackpot

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and buzzkill I don't know why it
took me so long but now I

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figured it out. It is so
blatantly obvious what you two

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are doing. The no agenda podcast
is a three letter US government

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agency production. Yes, it's
obvious. Twice a week view and

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John are furnished with nicely
produced pre edited clips in

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order to spread misinformation
to the public and keep them

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confused. This is why you can
say anything you want and not

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get in trouble because it is
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propaganda or disinformation.
I've been in the music

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production business for 46
years. I know how difficult

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difficult it is to record random
clips from various sources and

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perfectly edit them. Adam, this
would be impossible for you to

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achieve twice a week by
yourself. John would definitely

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be hopeless at doing it. You
guys don't Sit around

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meticulously cutting those clips
together 24/7 In order to play

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them on the show. Now the clips
are all pre prepared and pre

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edited, accompanied by text for
both of you to read period.

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These clips are prepared and
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government. This also helps
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is some kind of free country
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anything he or she wants.
Definitely bullshit. And you

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know what, after having lived in
Holland for a few years now,

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you're all of a sudden a flag
waving American patriot. It's

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really noticeable when you're
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reading a breakdown that has pre
has been pre written and

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prepared for you. After 849
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of making it seem spontaneous.
But as Lincoln once said, You

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can fool all the people all of
the time. Well, you can't you

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guys don't sit around 24/7
monitoring all the world's media

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the US government does it. Your
silly jingles karma knighting

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and birthday wishes are included
to make the show appear more

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homemade. Adam, this is most
likely the only work that you

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really do. That's why you always
defend playing your stupid

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repetitive jingles. As this is
your only real contribution to

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the show. Is this the best you
have to offer. It's really

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pathetic. Logically, nobody in
the right mind would donate

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money to the show. The donation
letters are obviously pre

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written and pre written as well.
Nobody can prove or disprove

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them. But the real donations and
salary you guys receive

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certainly comes from the US
government. Of course, you will

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refute all of this and typical
Adam curry fourth grader

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fashion, but I don't care what
you say. As it is so obvious

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that you guys are doing you are
just two shields working for the

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US government. This is also why
you have never had live

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interviews on the show with real
people like President Obama and

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Marc Maron, for example. You
couldn't let somebody else come

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in and possibly gum up the works
besides they might see that you

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guys are the really up to best
podcast in the universe my ass.

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They could have made that gag a
little shorter. Yeah, I could

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have come on. But that's the way
i i wish that would be ideal.

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Yeah, right. That's what I was
thinking.

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Yeah, government check and the
whole show handed to you on a

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silver platter. We have to do
any clips or anything. It'd be

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fantastic.

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We have about I looked at the
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clips a show average.

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That's I'm trying to I'm trying
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did on the last show. I had my
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noticed that 12 back I thought
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started doing clips. I did too.

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That's right. That's right. You
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I did a couple of clips and I
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about a month before you started
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was an evolution we haven't
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not part of the show idea. And
but we as we transferred over to

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and if you listen to the boat
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after we're done with a little
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the original show 200.5 We
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moving toward media
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really hit our stride until that
oil pipeline show. Yeah, and it

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probably in the three hundreds
of four hundreds I think we're

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on the show 400 Perhaps we
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deconstructors And that required
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point where where every once in
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couple of shows ago after these
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were brutal how were we hit?
That's when we had like 50 clips

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50 clips, it's not pot this too
many clips because we cannot if

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you listen to those those shows
after the convention you hear a

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lot of words this clip. I don't
know. I don't know. I'm gonna

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see if I can find it. Well, I
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see well. Oh, I Oh, here it is.
Here it is. Here it is. I

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misspelled a word. Oh, yeah.
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bad. It's not that Oh, yes. It's
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You think? Oh, no, it was not
every time. I'm just saying it

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happens too much. And after that
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the second one. Yeah, I get a
biggest kick out of the second

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convention. We've had just the
craziest stuff. I think we got

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more out of the second one than
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one was kind of I thought was
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good television event, really.
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for finding clips. Meanwhile,
that woman who does full frontal

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Samantha Bee Yeah, she's a she's
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extreme. And she's very funny.
And she's she's structures gags

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very well. She's got this show
called Full Frontal. I can't

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barely get through it because
it's really laden with hate. And

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so she did the Republican
convention. And you know, it's

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all is Trump, Trump, Trump. And
then she comes in as the

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Democratic Convention is going
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that as soon as the studio are
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PBS NewsHour, they actually have
the booth right in the

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convention hall. And she comes
in and she says, Oh is a gold

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mine. This was as this thing was
wrapping up to the Trump

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convention was a gold mine is
hilarious. Everything was funny.

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Just you know, I can't get
anything from this convention

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has nothing. Very funny. How's
that possible? That's an

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analyst. Holy crap. How all in
Are you? Yeah, usually there's a

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comic you're supposed to is
finding humor and everything is,

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comics should not be.

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Comics are comedians. She's a
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is she?

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Okay, she is sort of synonymous
in business now. Okay. But most

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of themselves, they call
themselves comics, generally

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speaking. And Mimi used to
produce comedy. We know a lot of

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comedians. That's why I asked
you, as the acid comedians

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there, because it actually
sounded better. I don't know

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why. But yeah, I just flipped
back and forth between the two

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terms. But she's a common
comedian, whatever. I think

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she's I think she's hilarious.
But she's really got a lot of

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hate. And it's very It hurts her
show. Yeah. And you see this

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with even Bill Maher. He has
this kind of he has hate that is

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kind of I think it's a kind of a
gimmick, in some ways, because

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he gets all worked up about
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Muslims is he hates Muslims.

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Yeah. Why he hates religion in
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A right his religion in general,
he's a hater. I don't know where

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it's going.

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I'm not sure where you were
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that was gone that we're getting
too many clips from the SEC.

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There's just the opposite.

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But there's something else that
happened is throughout the past

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couple of years. And I think
you're right around that

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pipeline episode. And that is
true. That's four years ago,

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almost five years ago. Yeah. Oh,
my goodness.

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That was a seminal presentation.

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What also has increased is just
the pure availability of

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televised segments online, which
makes it easier for me, say that

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the TV and you're always
recording off the TV, I did a

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lot of that during the
conventions. But it's much

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easier when it when possible to
say Ah, okay, that's great, I

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gotta get that clip, write it
down, go back, find the program.

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And then it's, you know, it's on
YouTube. Or it's, you can always

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find something somewhere and
then clip it from that, which is

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so much easier, then you have a
link for the show notes. I like

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providing that as well, instead
of like for your clips, we never

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really have a link because
you're getting right off TV and

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they're not available online.
And so that has changed and just

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the pure availability. And our
producers, our producers have

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really hit their stride they've
hit their stride with making

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little packages and clips and
and and really the no agenda

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thinking that has dramatically
improved the the product.

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There's a lot of, you know,
agenda thinking is out there far

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enough that a lot of the clips
are brought in to your Twitter

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and to the feeds. And so you can
go just to follow your own

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Twitter feed, you can get a
bunch, you can get two or three

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clips from the digital read
here. This is a lot, of course,

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heard already done on the
previous show. Because we are

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pretty up to date with stuff
that we present. But it's very

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handy. Very Yeah, I can when I'm
just sometimes if I'm traveling,

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I have to rely on YouTube and
some other things to get clips

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because I don't really have any
way of hooking up to the TV in

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the hotel, right. And there's no
DVR so it wouldn't do me any

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good if I did right, right. So

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and I'll point out, I'll point
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like I am today, I'm in New
Jersey to hang out with some

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friends who I haven't seen for
26 years. It's although I have

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to work on the connection, but
in general, we can do it from

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anywhere. And we do we don't

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we try not to skip anything. Try
to stay on top of everything and

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bring you an outstanding
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Now I have a bunch of note that
I think we can probably do after

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we play this 200 points seven
which incorporates 200.5 and

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2.6. A's last Rice's gone. 26
was lost in the shuffle. To

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enterprise six was what we did
with 20.7, which I think was

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probably a mistake, instead of
incorporating to 200 point I

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think there's a reason for
there's something in 2.6 That

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was not it wasn't interesting,
or it was dated or wasn't,

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wasn't a good analysis. So we've
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Plays 2.5 which is the original
and use after remember that this

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was the introductory show. So if
we if you wanted to get somebody

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into no agenda, they don't get
it. There's all this noise and

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they keep saying in the morning

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and the

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2.5 was done to explain get you
up to speed Need to enter point

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six and then and then
subsequently to enter point

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seven was to correct. The eight
the old material that was in

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2.5. This all been it's been
kicked out of the show, there's

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a lot of stuff that's changed.
We don't do everything that we

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that was talked about in 2.5
anymore, we decided for one

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reason or another that, you
know, the, we explained a couple

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of things that 2.7 What we've
dropped. But this show that what

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we're doing now is just doing a
point eight is going to make

443
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:34,650
another group of corrections
that we will do that at the end

444
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,480
of the onion that we're about to
play. So we're going to start to

445
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,320
enter point seven, which will
segue into tuner point five,

446
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,950
which segues out a tuner point
five, twice, actually, because

447
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:49,320
it does it in the middle once
and it goes back into the show.

448
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:51,840
And then because we're not going
to do another middle, middle,

449
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,320
it's fine. We count more middle.
So the show comes out. And we'll

450
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,530
make a noise and then boom,
we're going to talk about what

451
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:06,000
maybe should be noted. That's
changed yet again. It was in the

452
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,690
last year.

453
00:26:06,990 --> 00:26:12,210
All right. All right. So I would
say let's get ready to go into

454
00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:14,340
the 200.7 show.

455
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:19,440
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.

456
00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:23,370
Thursday, July 5 2015. Time once
again, forget my nation media

457
00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:25,950
assassination episode 736.

458
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,960
This is no agenda,

459
00:26:28,889 --> 00:26:32,549
analyzing ourselves once again
and broadcasting live from the

460
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:35,819
crackpot condo and FEMA Region
six downtown Austin J house in

461
00:26:35,819 --> 00:26:37,709
the morning, everybody. I'm Adam
curry,

462
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:41,610
and from Northern Silicon
Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak.

463
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:43,890
Levin books kill.

464
00:26:47,460 --> 00:26:49,320
Immediately I noticed you're
different when we don't have an

465
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:58,770
audience. That's yeah. So this
is episode 200.7.

466
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,550
AKA minute, let's back up a
minute. Why would I be different

467
00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:05,430
when there's an audience? I
don't know. I'm a ham.

468
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:09,570
I'm just, I'm just Yes. Just
presuming I'm just presuming

469
00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:09,990
that.

470
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:10,800
That's funny.

471
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:16,680
Now you were like, Hey, I'm John
C. Dvorak. But Episode 200.7,

472
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,850
aka 736. And we do rise
periodically.

473
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:25,530
We're done at once, before or
twice before, we did a show

474
00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:28,770
called 2.5, which was kind of an
introduction to people to the

475
00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:33,090
show. I had that don't get a lot
of the memes and the noises and

476
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:35,880
the things that we do and some
of the history of the show. Then

477
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,600
we Redux the show we did it
again. Two years

478
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840
later, which was around 435. I
think you're

479
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:46,710
in the four hundreds and, and we
didn't do it since and we're

480
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:50,430
almost in the into the eight
hundreds now. So we felt that we

481
00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:55,590
should do one more look at the
history of no agenda as we

482
00:27:56,490 --> 00:27:58,680
apparently I'd listened to the
show again last night.

483
00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:03,720
Apparently, we don't even know
the history of the show. I don't

484
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,630
know the answers to any we had
people ask us questions, we

485
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:09,870
couldn't really answer many of
them. We had a lot of theories.

486
00:28:10,410 --> 00:28:14,280
And we never discussed much
about the show being performance

487
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,430
art, which has that element. And
I don't think we talked about

488
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:21,600
that at all, which is odd since
it was always been that way. And

489
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840
really wanted to do this one
more time with maybe some more

490
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,830
explanatory stuff, play that one
old show again. But I want to

491
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:31,110
mention that this will be the
last time we do this. We are

492
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:36,990
going to at some point in the
next year or two, do a another

493
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,020
deconstruction of our own show,
but we're going to do it from

494
00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:43,290
scratch. Right? We'll have to
we'll start over we probably

495
00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:46,140
have to bring the weenie and the
butt back into the cup,

496
00:28:46,139 --> 00:28:49,439
which was one of my favorite
parts of listening to 200.5.

497
00:28:49,439 --> 00:28:51,089
Again, it's like Oh, yes. Yeah,

498
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,570
that was actually the highlight
of the whole show.

499
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:59,190
I noticed a number of things,
though. Well, let me ask you,

500
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:02,580
what did you notice listening
to? Well, we listened to 200.6,

501
00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:07,110
which included 200.5 Morning
things that that?

502
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:12,210
Well, what I heard was a lot of
fact of the matter. Exactly.

503
00:29:12,210 --> 00:29:14,490
Yeah. No essential, essentially.

504
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,550
Actually,

505
00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:22,170
all the crap that we moan and
groan about we had not really

506
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:23,550
we had not caught on to it.

507
00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:29,070
In 2012, and this was done. We
hadn't caught on to it. And so

508
00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:31,800
you hear it, and you just cringe

509
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,630
cringe worthy I know. But
seriously, yeah. No all over the

510
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:41,880
place, essentially, actually,
what I write down here, whatever

511
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,660
the case,

512
00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:44,850
whatever the case, end of the
day,

513
00:29:44,879 --> 00:29:48,689
oh, man, the fact of the matter.
So does this mean we've gotten

514
00:29:48,689 --> 00:29:50,609
better or are we just anal?

515
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:54,300
I think we're more cognizant, I
think it's self awareness. I

516
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,810
think that's what's important.
But I think also think that the

517
00:29:57,810 --> 00:30:01,770
listeners are in the producers
that Follow us, since we've been

518
00:30:01,770 --> 00:30:04,140
bitching and moaning about this.
And we just got a letter in from

519
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:06,960
somebody saying, Well, yeah, no,
it's fine. You should be able to

520
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,820
say that he had all these
rationales. We don't want to say

521
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:11,160
it. That's the key. Yeah. But
we've broken. We've made

522
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,450
everybody else aware of these
little peccadilloes. Yeah. And,

523
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:18,210
and I know that this the same
thing like that we're going

524
00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:20,910
through and you watch a TV show,
or you listen to somebody on the

525
00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:22,620
radio, and they keep saying, and
the fact of the

526
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:26,670
matter and at the end of the
day, I know it's horrible day.

527
00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:30,330
Well, you know, change your
words, change your world. What?

528
00:30:30,780 --> 00:30:32,940
That's a book I once read,
change your words, change your

529
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:33,480
world, but

530
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,090
I think that's probably true.
Yeah. Thanks for speaking

531
00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:36,960
another language.

532
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,900
And of course, the other thing I
know, well, I'll tell you, I'll

533
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:43,890
say what I noticed. Another
thing is audio quality,

534
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,880
be a different form as of 2010,
audio quality was terrible.

535
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:49,140
Yeah. And you were

536
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:51,870
bitching about it. In fact, you
were saying, hey, my mic sounds

537
00:30:51,870 --> 00:30:54,090
like crap. And it wasn't
something I could necessarily do

538
00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:55,050
anything about at the time,

539
00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:57,810
apparently did something about
it, because in the 2012,

540
00:30:57,810 --> 00:31:01,830
presentation, it sounded great.
And now if you step away, right,

541
00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:05,490
except for the middle of it, the
middle bit, know that cutouts,

542
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:09,270
the cutouts, I will recon
commonly had say something like,

543
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,460
well, one of the reasons that
I've done that is because and so

544
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:16,800
that's the way it works be this
long.

545
00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:21,270
Oh, right. Right. Right. Right.
And lots of dropouts. Yep. Yeah,

546
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,450
well, that is Skype that has
just improved, and we have much

547
00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:27,660
higher bandwidth now. But the
main thing that's changed and

548
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:33,240
I've been on my end of you even
say in in, in 200.5, you'd be

549
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,900
saying, you know how good you
were anal about audio, really,

550
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,180
like audio quality has to be
good. And we were just

551
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:43,470
struggling with what we had. I
think at one point, during that

552
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:47,730
time, I was because I wanted
everything to be as digital as

553
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:50,310
possible or as contained as
possible because of you know,

554
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:53,790
going on trips and traveling
abroad and not wanting to schlep

555
00:31:53,790 --> 00:31:58,260
along an entire studio. And a
lot of it was external gear. I

556
00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:01,200
remember at one point, I was
actually doing the show probably

557
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,460
for a year and a half, with a
very slight delay on my

558
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:08,490
headphones. So I could monitor
in real time what was happening,

559
00:32:08,790 --> 00:32:11,340
because we record pretty much
Direct to Tape as you as you

560
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:13,980
call it, you know, direct
directors, I just need to know

561
00:32:13,980 --> 00:32:17,070
what the the end product is. So
we don't have to go back and do

562
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:21,930
things after the fact. And not
that that's necessarily all that

563
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:27,630
noticeable in, in our
performance. But anyway, Wow,

564
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:30,690
big difference what we have now.
And that is purely because of

565
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:36,360
this Universal Audio, real time
zero latency plugin system that

566
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:36,960
we're using,

567
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:40,650
right, which makes a difference
in the sound. And also, that's

568
00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:43,530
another reason we had to do the
show again from scratch sometime

569
00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:47,460
next time. Because the
information that we gave out

570
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:51,930
about the technical aspects of
the show is all stemmed from my

571
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:56,850
still talking free free air with
us. You are fascinated with both

572
00:32:56,850 --> 00:33:02,100
show up on the show, but I don't
use headphones.

573
00:33:02,490 --> 00:33:05,490
The reason why I was well first
of all I'm still fascinated by

574
00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:07,980
it because it's just not a
typical radio thing. I don't

575
00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:08,220
think

576
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:12,660
that again, I'll use the
anecdote a guy in Vancouver used

577
00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:17,070
to do that on the air.
Vancouver. Nuff said. Big market

578
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:18,510
Vancouver is not a slouch town

579
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:23,610
we had a we had a long period
where because I didn't have

580
00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:26,940
proper noise gating and other
effects where I would hear

581
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:29,460
myself come back through from
your speakers into your

582
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:30,000
microphone

583
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:33,480
yeah and then you play the clip
turned down your speaker

584
00:33:33,510 --> 00:33:37,290
oh wow I don't even have talked
about that in the show. I don't

585
00:33:37,290 --> 00:33:38,760
know if I have that let me see

586
00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:43,200
turned turned down your speakers
which was annoying yeah jarring

587
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,680
and it was I banned it here it
is down your speaker that was

588
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,130
you

589
00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:52,080
know, that's Michael Butler.
Yeah.

590
00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:57,270
But you so Butler as good as
good but that was a function of

591
00:33:57,270 --> 00:33:59,040
my not using headphones and

592
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,090
yeah, well it is it has dropped
the audio equipment has

593
00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:07,200
drastically changed the show.
Because we can pretty much do

594
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,150
the same show no matter where I
am. And you also are able to do

595
00:34:12,150 --> 00:34:14,100
it almost from anywhere because
you pretty much just have to

596
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,790
have your own microphone here is
you are you still using your M

597
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:19,710
audio breakout box? Is that what
you're using?

598
00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:24,120
Well, I'm using the newer one
that has two channels. Right and

599
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,630
because the other one blew up
I'm when I'm in Washington.

600
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:32,550
North I do use the old MRT o
boxes I have to I had two of

601
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:36,030
them. One of them blew up and I
use it up there. But this one is

602
00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:38,700
really a nice box. This new one
I can't remember that doesn't

603
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:42,300
just says MIT I want to see if
it's got a model number. It's

604
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:47,730
the m track something or other.
The other ones M track two but

605
00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:52,980
there's a two channel black is
really pretty. And I don't know

606
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:56,370
that it works perfectly but it
does work, I think. And

607
00:34:56,850 --> 00:34:58,920
it's fantastic. It sounds good.
But you're also you're the

608
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,210
you're the mic man you Have you
have found the microphone that

609
00:35:03,210 --> 00:35:08,550
is perfect for your voice for
our setup? is outstanding.

610
00:35:09,210 --> 00:35:12,630
Yeah, I've got a good mic here.
And I've got to I used a PR 40.

611
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:18,810
Up north. It's just dead I don't
want to deal with with the 48

612
00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:21,390
volts and all the rest of it
because the whole demo audio I

613
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:24,120
don't believe has a phantom
power hour. Right,

614
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,250
right. Anyway, to talk about,

615
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:32,580
I took a lot of notes we can
talk about at the mid break. You

616
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:35,580
had a bunch of stories that we
talked about, we were gonna be

617
00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:38,430
here's where he let me give the
design of what we're up to.

618
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:42,990
We've cut out the original 2000
points six opening, because it

619
00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:45,180
makes no sense. It was most
mostly about Adam getting

620
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:48,240
married, right? That's exactly
what the show. Right. Right. So

621
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,940
he's just pulling that. And then
the mid break, which answers

622
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:54,210
questions. Unfortunately, the
questions and the answers are

623
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:57,600
dated. Yeah, agreed. There's a
couple of things in there that

624
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,540
are okay. But I and I may drop
them in when I edit this thing.

625
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:03,570
But we're pulling that out,
we're going to do a new one. And

626
00:36:03,570 --> 00:36:06,780
that's we're going to do halfway
through the show. And then at

627
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:10,350
the end, we're going to have the
the original ending, which is

628
00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:13,470
the tuner point five ending. And
then as we go to Music Week,

629
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:17,490
they interrupt those two guys,
those dudes, John and Adam have

630
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,840
chosen 12 from from the past,
and they interrupt the ending,

631
00:36:22,050 --> 00:36:24,930
and they're going to yak about
something. And then we, the John

632
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:28,380
and Adam from 2015, are going to
interrupt them and finish the

633
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:30,660
whole thing. And you're going to
have a nice piece of

634
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:34,380
entertainment and realize that
this will be the this is being

635
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:34,950
retired.

636
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:39,600
So just but just in case, just
in case, for whatever reason, in

637
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,350
a year or two, we decide to
still use something from this

638
00:36:43,350 --> 00:36:48,210
200.7 show. I know, we agree we
won't, I just want to say hi to

639
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:51,300
Adam and John from the future.
Just want to make sure that

640
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:51,960
they're all happy.

641
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Yeah, they may or may not be,
you know,

642
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:59,460
one more thing that that. And
that partially has to do with

643
00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:05,940
the setup. And, you know, we've
really, we've improved a lot of

644
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:08,280
the technical pieces, a lot of
that is just Moore's law, you

645
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,340
know, computers will become
better and, and just the whole

646
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:16,200
setup is much easier to handle
for me, I noticed that I am able

647
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,000
to listen to you. I can have
better listening skills now than

648
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,280
I had in both of those eras.
Let's call him that. And I still

649
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,030
have to this day after this is
maybe a little known fact, after

650
00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:32,670
the show was posted. And we're
done. We always do a post

651
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:36,630
mortem, we gossip about stuff,
nothing really show related just

652
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:39,600
why old wives gossip, you know,
whatever.

653
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:43,530
This show had some issues. We
talk about that always, which is

654
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:45,450
what we're supposed to do. But
we ended up gossip

655
00:37:45,450 --> 00:37:49,980
and we end up gossiping. I
always listen to the show. And

656
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:53,790
and to this day still there
moments. I'm like, Oh, I didn't

657
00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,580
hear what he was saying I didn't
I didn't understand. And that's

658
00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:59,970
mainly because I'm doing things,
getting clips ready, or I'm

659
00:37:59,970 --> 00:38:02,400
listening, trying to anticipate
what clip you're talking about.

660
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,240
Because if in case it wasn't
clear, and maybe this needs to

661
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:10,050
be reiterated, we don't talk
outside of the show rarely. I

662
00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:12,780
have no idea what stories John's
working on. He has no ideas what

663
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,690
I'm working on. Of course, we
kind of now throughout the years

664
00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:19,920
know what we may or may not pick
up on and I can actually say, I

665
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,380
don't have to worry about that.
I think John will cover that.

666
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:26,850
But and sometimes I do and
sometimes they don't I think I

667
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:30,270
missed one thing recently we're
in New grouse that

668
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,940
yeah, it was the White House
Correspondents Dinner. Right. I

669
00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:35,670
missed it. I missed it. It was
my night. You're right. I should

670
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:38,310
have had a couple of one line
good clips from one liners in

671
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:41,310
something funny. And I missed
the whole thing. I didn't even

672
00:38:41,310 --> 00:38:44,100
get to why I like to watch the
red carpet thing. It's very

673
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:47,640
one of these days, we're going
to do live commentaries.

674
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:51,510
We're never going to we never
know. Probably not.

675
00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:57,090
But I think that I've gotten
better at listening to what you

676
00:38:57,090 --> 00:39:00,210
have to say. And when I listened
to Oh, it's to me it's cringe

677
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:04,170
worthy. Man you had no you
didn't you didn't understand at

678
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,120
all what he was talking about.
And that's probably one of the

679
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,830
biggest problems in life. But
certainly in media, where most

680
00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:12,900
people if they're interviewing
somebody, we're not interviewing

681
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:14,700
each other, but we're having a
conversation.

682
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:17,970
Well, we make clips from people
that that botch, you know,

683
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:20,940
something crazy, and then the
guy just ignores them.

684
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,220
Yep. So I'm completely guilty of
that. And but it's mainly

685
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:28,920
because I'm doing a whole bunch
of other things to say I also

686
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,880
keep my eye on the chat room,
which is well known you don't do

687
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:38,700
and and there's more benefit
than not to, for me, looking at

688
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:39,300
the chat room,

689
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:46,350
I'd get benefit out of it. But I
said I think in one of these

690
00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:50,040
shows, I think in 2000 to under
point five that AI is so

691
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,640
distracting to me because I just
end up reading what they have to

692
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,380
say instead of doing the show,

693
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,130
right? Well, yeah, it is
distracting and I read something

694
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:02,190
and then Yeah, that I just
didn't just don't hear stuff. So

695
00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:04,770
I've gotten better. I'm happy
with that personal improvement

696
00:40:04,770 --> 00:40:05,310
goal.

697
00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:08,550
Yeah, I think I've personally
improved on some things too. I

698
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:12,480
should have I probably not as
much as I'd like. I haven't been

699
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:17,400
read replaying clips that were
played on previous shows as

700
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,420
much. I don't think I've done
it. Maybe once every two or

701
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:22,740
three months, maybe what

702
00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:24,450
do you I don't know. I don't
understand what you're saying.

703
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,590
You play a clip,

704
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:30,780
like on show 250 and then 252. I
play the clip as though it's

705
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:34,620
new. Remember that? Yeah. The
horn Yeah.

706
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:39,450
Yeah. Now the buzzer which for
some reason is one channel. Oh,

707
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:42,930
no, no, that wasn't the buzzer
used to use that. That submarine

708
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:45,900
dive sound. Wah wah wah, wah.

709
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:46,920
I don't know if I have that.

710
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:48,990
I don't think you I don't think
was the buzzer for that.

711
00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:52,650
I think we've also we banded
lost a lot of clips. No, we

712
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:55,740
haven't really lost a lot of
them. Well, they're

713
00:40:55,740 --> 00:41:00,030
a lot. They're not technically
lost. They're like stuff in my

714
00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:00,900
archives.

715
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,920
I have no idea what that sound
effect was. Well, it's not

716
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,490
important. It was

717
00:41:05,490 --> 00:41:08,190
something it was a whoop or
something. It was one of those

718
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,690
military sounding things.

719
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,510
I don't know what it was. All
right, fine. All right. Well,

720
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:17,130
let's just start with the show.
200.5, which is the introduction

721
00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:20,940
show for people who don't know
the history of the show. We try

722
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:25,320
to discuss the history and then
there's a break and when we

723
00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:27,600
would get to the break point,
we'll come back and Okay, here

724
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,390
we go. Adam curry, John C.
Dvorak.

725
00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:33,720
It's May 16 2010. times your
gizmo nation media

726
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,840
assassination, Episode 200.5.

727
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:39,990
This is no agenda. Welcome to a
special

728
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:43,020
backstage tour of the no agenda
Show coming to you from the

729
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:45,780
hilltop Watchtower crackpot
command center and get my nation

730
00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:49,410
West in the People's Republic of
Southern California. Yay. In the

731
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:50,880
morning, I'm Adam curry.

732
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,210
And it's not really a media
assassination today. It's a no

733
00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:57,480
agenda assassination. I'm John
C. Dvorak.

734
00:41:59,070 --> 00:42:00,270
Vaughn Buzzkill.

735
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,810
We still get to say in the
morning,

736
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:07,230
yeah, definitely, in the morning
never goes away. You know, the

737
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:09,990
thing is, we wish to tell people
since this is really a show

738
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:12,150
where we're just essentially
going to talk about the show.

739
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:15,420
And we're going to ask answer a
lot of questions, and probably

740
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:20,820
ask some. But you know, the one
of the things you should

741
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:24,180
immediately note, we actually
had the debate as to whether

742
00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:25,500
we're going to play the opening.

743
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,430
We it's kind of sad that we
didn't put the debate on the

744
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:33,450
backstage show. This is kind of
where we Yeah, I think on this

745
00:42:33,450 --> 00:42:39,360
show, which is driven by support
from our producers, slash donors

746
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,370
supporters, where we kind of
bear at all not that we have any

747
00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:46,860
secrets, I don't think but
people just want to know a lot

748
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:50,610
of stuff that we don't put into
the show, because little known

749
00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:52,440
facts, we make it look easy.

750
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:56,010
And also a lot of this personal
stuff that they're asking,

751
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:58,710
because we I sent out a message
on Twitter to get some

752
00:42:58,710 --> 00:43:00,900
questions. And we also got a
couple of emails and you've

753
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:03,600
worked up some questions
yourself. To be honest about it.

754
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,400
A lot of it is just plain
boring.

755
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,860
Yes, indeed. You know, John and
I have been in. In fact, you

756
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:14,040
said this on episode 200. We've
been in media in all forms of

757
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,000
media from print, you've
probably been around

758
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,750
typesetting.

759
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,200
Actually, I used to be a
typesetter part time when I was

760
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:22,620
in college.

761
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:27,000
So it doesn't surprise me all
the way through to today's

762
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,640
reality based television
programming and everything in

763
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,320
between, on mainstream media.
And I would say, Well, I

764
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,700
certainly gave up a number of
years ago and, and I am patently

765
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,970
unhireable by mainstream media.
In fact, the last,

766
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:45,840
especially after you did the NBC
thing. Well,

767
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:49,950
yeah, that's right. When I said
Michael Jackson was probably

768
00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:52,950
killed, and they cut me off. And
of course, now it turns out, he

769
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:57,450
probably was. But the last radio
station I was on, which was

770
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,480
around the time we started the
show, actually, in fact,

771
00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:03,720
no, you were doing this that
show while we're doing this

772
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:04,110
show,

773
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:07,830
here, but I think we started
this show. Yeah. But I'd only

774
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:10,590
done a couple like a week or
two. And then we started doing

775
00:44:10,590 --> 00:44:13,710
this show, right? I was doing
that first was No, no, I think

776
00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:17,190
you were fired during fire
during we were doing no agenda

777
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:19,830
when I was fired. But it only
just started that show.

778
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:21,630
Yeah, no, I think we did it for
about a month.

779
00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:28,560
So I was trying to think back,
because that was I think 26 of

780
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,230
either October or November 2007.
The first episode was like 35

781
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:39,090
minutes. The good old days.
Yeah, I was living in London,

782
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:42,090
which did give the show a very
different flavor. I have to say

783
00:44:42,090 --> 00:44:43,800
I was also baked out of my mind.

784
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,920
Right. Although, you know, to be
honest about it. I don't think

785
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,700
that was apparent. And I
actually argue with you. I don't

786
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,820
think you've personally has
changed that much from stop

787
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:55,290
since you stopped smoking.

788
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,430
Right? But I Well, there's a
couple of episodes there where I

789
00:44:59,430 --> 00:45:01,800
remember one time I'm actually
went off on some tangent and I

790
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,870
said, Dude, I'm so baked.

791
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:07,950
Yeah. But yeah, I do remember
that the

792
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:10,410
personality. Yeah. Well, I'm
happy to hear that. I'm just

793
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:13,500
more awake. And I can do more
and I'm more focused.

794
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,770
Yeah. And you finally got a rig
that makes me sound decent.

795
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:17,730
Yeah, but

796
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:22,110
that's, well, you know, we had
we had a pretty good setup, it

797
00:45:22,110 --> 00:45:25,650
sounded okay. But this is the
best one. I have to say. This is

798
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:31,350
definitely the best one. So we
met at, I guess, what did we

799
00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:33,030
meet John was on crack hands.

800
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:38,970
Gents. Dan gents.com, on Twitter
asked the question. The real

801
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:41,670
Devorah can curry have a unique
relationship? How did you guys

802
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:44,010
meet? So when did you hit it
off? Right away?

803
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,690
I'll tell you something I found
in my crap that arrived from

804
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:56,640
from the UK, I found a videotape
of the CNET pilots, where we

805
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,180
actually first met for the very
first time, although that was in

806
00:46:00,270 --> 00:46:06,360
1993. Three or four maybe think
was three? Yeah, and I and I'm

807
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,760
gonna get one of those VHS to
DVR things to transcode all this

808
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,420
stuff. But this was when CNET
did not have a website. In fact,

809
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:19,500
I registered cnet.com and said
to Halsey minor, Hey, dude, you

810
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:21,960
know, I'll do your email, if you
want, you know, you might want

811
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,270
to have a web thing that I think
that would be more appropriate

812
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,630
for what you're doing here. But
all right. They paid me like 20

813
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:32,250
grand to do that pilot, which
was nice. And you were doing

814
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:36,240
kind of a McLaughlin Group Type
roundtable as the pilot for that

815
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:36,750
show.

816
00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:39,840
Yeah, they that's kind of
interesting, because we've seen

817
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,810
that they actually went through
a whole bunch of people before

818
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:45,870
they decided they wanted me to
do it. And I didn't really want

819
00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:48,570
to do it. I actually be honest,
I never wanted to work for CNET.

820
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,000
But I did like the idea of
watching Kevin Wendell at work

821
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,690
once they brought him he was he
was the guy from Fox. Yeah, he's

822
00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:59,340
a guy from some ways Hollywood,

823
00:46:59,550 --> 00:47:03,120
you'd set up the Fox network. He
was one of the driving

824
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,040
programming forces behind Fox

825
00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:09,450
early. I don't remember that.
Whatever the case was, he was a

826
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:13,650
slick operator. And it was fun
to watch him work. And but they

827
00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:17,100
first wanted Leo Laporte to be
that McLaughlin guy. And Leo

828
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:21,480
wanted to do it. Badly. He was
always wanted that torque that

829
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,990
sort of gig. And because but
it's because very serious, and

830
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:28,260
it's, you know, this and that.
And but they had me do it. But

831
00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:30,780
that never got off the ground.
It just wasn't going to work.

832
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:34,740
And so then they gave me some
other job of being a kind of a

833
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:39,120
clownish co host with a Gina St.
John. Oh,

834
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,870
yeah. Well, they offered me to
move out to San Francisco and be

835
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:46,380
there full time. And they
offered like really low salary,

836
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:49,140
but 2 million shares of stock
and I declined.

837
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,440
Yeah, well, that was an error.

838
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:53,700
Well, who knows what, you know,
I

839
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,370
was like, Well, yeah, no, it's a
crapshoot. I did the same thing.

840
00:47:57,510 --> 00:48:00,600
I said, How many? How many
shares outstanding? Wow, it's

841
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,330
vague, right? I was like, Yeah,
I got a pretty good thing here

842
00:48:03,330 --> 00:48:04,710
at MTV. I'm good.

843
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,360
So anyway, so we met 93.
Casually, casually, very

844
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,060
casually, but you know, we
followed each other's careers a

845
00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:15,180
little bit, but then I was kind
of triggered by that when you

846
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:19,230
had your moment of richness. And
I was floating around Europe,

847
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,050
and I ran into a newspaper with
one of these, one of these

848
00:48:22,050 --> 00:48:24,870
papers. I think it was a Dutch
story somewhere. And it had a

849
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:28,440
picture of you and your Euro
some superstar in Holland and

850
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,980
this is unbelievable. So this
guy makes so much money. Yeah.

851
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,280
And so then you showed up in
town again and so then we just

852
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,750
kind of forced myself

853
00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:41,310
wasn't wasn't it a yes. And that
was nice. But wasn't it a wasn't

854
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:42,990
a cranky geeks when we
connected?

855
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,370
No, I think we met up first and
then I put you on cranky geeks.

856
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:51,600
But where the hell was it John
because Well, we I we did some

857
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:54,930
an email exchange. And I said
let's go have lunch or

858
00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:58,500
something. We had our first or
lunch our initial the remeeting

859
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:03,150
lunch at differing guile. And we
talked about you know, getting

860
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:07,380
some getting a daily news show
the tech five thing ideas like

861
00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:10,140
that. And then I then we went
and had a big meeting with Ron

862
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,450
in the office. You aren't cranky
geeks after that.

863
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,570
I'm trying to look now in my
email if I have something from

864
00:49:18,570 --> 00:49:20,910
you from that must have been
2007. Right.

865
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:24,090
Probably not. How

866
00:49:24,090 --> 00:49:26,970
do you do that? Gmail? Do you do
date? 2007?

867
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:31,350
I don't know. Anyway, that's the
basically the story and then we

868
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:37,320
we I don't know. But anyway, I
just say we just kind of

869
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,070
naturally got I

870
00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:40,740
really don't know. That's the
answer. We really don't know how

871
00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:41,880
that happened. We actually

872
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,700
get along just in some funny
way. It's not really

873
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:46,890
explainable. It's like, you
know, you meet somebody and

874
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:49,200
you've all you've known him for
a long time. So you know that

875
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,020
they're obviously not assassins.
Of course, that may not be true.

876
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,380
But whatever the case is, you
you've always had, you know, you

877
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:57,600
had an acquaintance and then you
decide that you know, now you're

878
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,270
working together. It's almost
like you know, where people Meet

879
00:50:00,270 --> 00:50:02,670
on a Hollywood set and they're
hanging out a lot. And then they

880
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:05,820
go off their separate ways. But
instead of going off our

881
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:09,480
separate ways, since we were
both looking at me VO, we

882
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,250
decided to start doing a show.
And that now it's debatable is

883
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:16,770
that you know how it got named
when we started,

884
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:18,360
I think I came up with a name.

885
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:21,660
I don't know if that's true. I
think you're the one that

886
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:24,960
approved the name. But you gotta
tell me it was your brain fart?

887
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:28,140
I think it was I say, well, we
got you know why we got no

888
00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:30,870
agenda? And then you said let's
call it no agenda. That sounds

889
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:34,320
about right, actually. And it
sounds good. Something like

890
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,890
that. And then, and then as it
evolved, we got into other

891
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:40,320
things, which are kind of the
same kind of like, we don't

892
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,930
know, who came up with the idea.
I mean, the donation thing?

893
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:46,560
Well,

894
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:49,860
before we get to that, because
the show started off with a very

895
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:52,620
different format. It was in
fact, I think our first show was

896
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:57,450
on a Friday, and like a Friday
afternoon, Friday morning for

897
00:50:57,450 --> 00:51:00,150
you. And we would just talk
about stuff. And I would grab

898
00:51:00,150 --> 00:51:02,730
the Financial Times. But we
would also just talk about

899
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:05,730
stuff, you know, the difference
between America and Europe.

900
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,020
Right. And it was just like a
casual conversation, just like a

901
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:10,860
conversation.

902
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:15,480
Yeah, and this was, in my
opinion, I've always felt that a

903
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,350
two guys is an interesting
conversation between two people

904
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:23,220
is interesting to everybody. And
I've always believed I could

905
00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:26,340
sell conversations I have with
my wife. And I always felt that

906
00:51:26,340 --> 00:51:30,510
a good conversational show where
there's not a lot of rehearsal

907
00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:33,240
or for preparation, but just
guys, we're just talking about

908
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,210
stuff that they know a lot
about. And coincidentally,

909
00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:40,380
because the two of us are so
extremely well traveled. And I

910
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:44,490
mean, pretty much been
everywhere, and observant

911
00:51:44,490 --> 00:51:46,920
because you know, we're
generally floating around

912
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:50,220
looking at stuff. It turns out
that we have enough life

913
00:51:50,220 --> 00:51:54,210
experience to to have an
interesting conversation. And

914
00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:56,010
it's and we're both from
slightly different backgrounds.

915
00:51:56,010 --> 00:51:59,610
So we could complement each
other in ways that I thought was

916
00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:01,860
interesting for those people to
listen in on.

917
00:52:02,070 --> 00:52:06,450
Yeah. And from my perspective, I
was looking to do a show with

918
00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:10,620
total honesty. Not in the regard
of oh, let's all hold hands and

919
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:14,010
tell each other a secret. But
more like, why don't we just say

920
00:52:14,010 --> 00:52:17,280
what it is and not be fake and
just talk about stuff. And we

921
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,070
can contradict and we can have
an argument and we don't have

922
00:52:20,070 --> 00:52:24,450
to. In fact, we had no no
thoughts. Even I think about

923
00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:28,230
making money doing no agenda.
Yeah, we had absolutely no

924
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:32,130
agenda. And I was just happy
that someone would listen to my

925
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:35,640
bullshit. Like, hey, here's a
guy who actually knows more than

926
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:41,580
me, because he's been around
longer for sure. And, and, and

927
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:44,280
will listen to some of the
things I think I was. I was

928
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,340
maybe a late bloomer, I was
like, saying, oh, wait a minute,

929
00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:49,620
the world kind of works a little
bit differently, because I was

930
00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:53,400
so embedded in the hits. Now,
that's all I did. I played hits

931
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,790
on radio on television, like,
you know, I knew what what all

932
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:59,490
the celebrities were doing. And
all of a sudden, like, this,

933
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:01,290
this is there's something else
going on here.

934
00:53:01,529 --> 00:53:04,499
I think I corrupted you more
than you corrupted me when it

935
00:53:04,499 --> 00:53:09,239
comes to this show. Correct? I
would agree. Mainly because of

936
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,869
my natural cynicism. I you know,
I took a test one, there's a it

937
00:53:12,869 --> 00:53:15,209
was a computer software program
some years ago, I've always

938
00:53:15,209 --> 00:53:19,289
found it fascinating. That was a
career guidance. It was almost

939
00:53:19,289 --> 00:53:21,659
like it was a very elaborate
take to computer test you to

940
00:53:21,659 --> 00:53:24,269
either answer a million
questions, it was like an MMPI,

941
00:53:24,269 --> 00:53:28,649
or Minnesota multi phase
Personality Inventory that

942
00:53:28,649 --> 00:53:31,919
people take in some companies.
It's actually illegal tests, you

943
00:53:31,919 --> 00:53:34,859
shouldn't be forced to take it.
But it can tell whether you're a

944
00:53:34,859 --> 00:53:36,689
psycho and all these other
things. And this was to

945
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,349
determine what your what your
career path should be. And I

946
00:53:40,349 --> 00:53:42,719
took the test a couple of times,
and it was the weirdest thing to

947
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,049
get back at the top of a career
path. This is telling you, this

948
00:53:46,049 --> 00:53:48,929
is what you should go be doing.
Critic.

949
00:53:50,010 --> 00:53:56,370
Really? Yeah. That's awesome.
That's really good. I like that.

950
00:53:56,610 --> 00:53:59,430
So anyway, so yeah, we've got
that thing. We when we started,

951
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,170
there's a couple, you know,

952
00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:06,420
I got like hand worker on all my
tests, shoveling shit, boy, you

953
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:08,250
shouldn't be in any kind of
business.

954
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,920
You might be surprised that test
was pretty amazing. I had other

955
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,110
people taking it was just like
nailing people left and right. I

956
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:16,410
wish I could, if I could find it
in my archives, you can find

957
00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:21,060
that I'll be producing a modern
format. It'd be nice. So anyway,

958
00:54:21,060 --> 00:54:27,480
we started the show with just
casually and it had a it really

959
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,720
started picking up a following
quickly. And people were feeding

960
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,650
back into the mechanism,
encouraging the continuation of

961
00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:36,690
the show, and then somewhere
along the line. This was your

962
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:40,080
idea. I'm sure of it, because it
could have been mine. You

963
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,600
decided to do two shows a week.

964
00:54:44,580 --> 00:54:48,750
Yeah. I don't remember why.

965
00:54:49,649 --> 00:54:51,659
There were some reason because I
think we're starting to show

966
00:54:51,659 --> 00:54:53,369
we're starting to get blogs get
long and

967
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:55,560
we said well, why don't we Why
don't we do to show actually,

968
00:54:55,890 --> 00:54:59,700
that's when we made a real
commitment though. And for now

969
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:02,370
that was was much later in the
game. We made a real commitment

970
00:55:02,370 --> 00:55:05,040
to do two shows after we we
said, hey, you know, this is

971
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,090
real. We're building an
audience. But I think we were

972
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,460
going for a good year there just
on one show,

973
00:55:11,490 --> 00:55:14,580
probably one a year, building an
audience and we had a kind of a

974
00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:17,490
weird audience because there
were really your fans separate

975
00:55:17,490 --> 00:55:20,670
from my fans and my fancy say,
You should do the show by

976
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:25,200
yourself. You should get rid of
curry and get to the head man.

977
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:29,790
And I can begin the same kind of
commentary and it's always made

978
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:32,910
me laugh because it's like, oh,
yeah, that's what you want just

979
00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:37,920
some guys. Solid. Either way, I
have never no conversation, no

980
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,910
pace and flow.

981
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:42,150
I've never received never
received an email of someone

982
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:43,860
saying your bit of divorce, like
ever.

983
00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:48,660
I've seen I have seen to get rid
of divorce. I mean, on Twitter,

984
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:50,160
on Twitter, and I've seen it
here and

985
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,920
I've never seen I've never seen
it and

986
00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:58,860
then well, then your fans are
less. Less crazy. Oh, yeah.

987
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:00,630
Hostile. Okay. So,

988
00:56:01,049 --> 00:56:04,169
at a certain point, though, I
think that what what really drew

989
00:56:04,169 --> 00:56:09,059
us together is we're both radio
guys at heart. I think we're you

990
00:56:09,059 --> 00:56:13,619
know, and I know I am. And I
grew up and Radio Television was

991
00:56:13,619 --> 00:56:18,719
more like a sidetrack for me. I
never felt like, too tall. I'm

992
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,079
too lanky. I'm too geeky. I have
Tourette's there's a whole bunch

993
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,689
of stuff that would make me not
ideal for television. My head

994
00:56:24,689 --> 00:56:28,679
isn't big enough to be really
successful. No about that. You

995
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,649
gotta you gotta have a huge not
not metaphorically speaking but

996
00:56:31,709 --> 00:56:35,279
physically a huge head that
makes you successful on TV.

997
00:56:35,279 --> 00:56:39,419
We've already established that
well, but it was our it was our

998
00:56:39,449 --> 00:56:43,619
I think I really our mutual love
of radio and

999
00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:46,650
the I love radio. And the reason
there's a lot of reasons I think

1000
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:49,020
it should be explored. One is
that fact that you don't have

1001
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:55,020
to. It's, it's a different, it's
different. I mean, radio is, and

1002
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:57,150
this is basically what we're
doing is radio, and it's a

1003
00:56:57,150 --> 00:57:01,980
modern form of radio,
podcasting. You don't have to

1004
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:05,790
get dressed, you don't have to
scrimp.

1005
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:09,540
More than that. It's theater of
the mind is what I like about

1006
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:09,660
it,

1007
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:12,240
right. And you can also write
well, the theater of the mind

1008
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,530
part, which is extremely
valuable. I don't know. I mean,

1009
00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:20,790
my first broadcasting training
was in Ray, I went to Foothill

1010
00:57:20,790 --> 00:57:23,100
College for a while and went on
that was on the radio station.

1011
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:27,690
And I just loved it, I produced
a radio play. And I did a lot of

1012
00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:30,600
radio was, I got a third class
license, which you had to have

1013
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,440
at one time, FCC license, I
still have mine. Nobody needs

1014
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,780
them anymore. And I've always
liked. And I'm very kind of a

1015
00:57:39,780 --> 00:57:42,450
sound not I like good quality
sound, which is why I was always

1016
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:47,820
carping on the quality of this
podcast. Even when I was doing

1017
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:53,550
when I was doing silicon spin at
Tech TV.

1018
00:57:55,110 --> 00:57:57,450
Sound is always forgotten on
television. Oh, yes.

1019
00:57:57,450 --> 00:58:00,540
And so but as but I made a big
stink about it, because it

1020
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:03,390
sounded so bad. And to have the
sound engineers that were

1021
00:58:03,390 --> 00:58:04,230
working there where I was

1022
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:08,010
their hero. I know, the hero of
the sound engineers,

1023
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,290
because the sound engineers
couldn't get anybody to listen

1024
00:58:10,290 --> 00:58:13,350
to the fact that they were using
cheap mics and they weren't

1025
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:16,590
doing notching or anything,
right. And so the sound, it

1026
00:58:16,590 --> 00:58:19,380
sounded like a cheap ass
production. Now, the thing

1027
00:58:19,380 --> 00:58:22,950
that's interesting is that MIT
did during the Negroponte era,

1028
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:25,860
when they had a media lab, they
had studied this to death. And

1029
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:29,070
they had done double blind
studies over and over again, and

1030
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:32,130
it kept coming up. If you take a
group of people and have them

1031
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:37,710
watch a TV show with shitty
sound, and then have them

1032
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:43,320
compare, and then show another
TV show with really great sound

1033
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,040
like Dolby five channel much
longer. No, it's not just that

1034
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,070
if when they do an analysis,
they claim the pictures better.

1035
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,860
That's fantastic. That makes
sense. And I'm a sound nut,

1036
00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:58,320
although I've had a lot of
trouble just because of the

1037
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,220
technology we've been using. But
now. Okay, so now it's where it

1038
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:07,470
should be. I am way into
creating a custom sound that

1039
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:11,520
gives you something that affects
the listener in other ways. By

1040
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:11,640
the

1041
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,940
way, you have their record
button pushed. Oh, yes, I

1042
00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:20,790
do. So you know, we have
compression. I put noise gates

1043
00:59:20,790 --> 00:59:24,210
on because I don't want to hit
when I when either I'm talking

1044
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,300
or this by the way. I love
silence. When neither of us say

1045
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:30,840
anything, the noise gates kick
in, it's completely silent. If I

1046
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,660
didn't have those on, then I'd
hear your room and you might

1047
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:38,430
hear stuff. You've run rustling
of papers. And that's, to me an

1048
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:40,470
important part of our sound. And
I love it because in the

1049
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:45,330
beginning certainly when we had
a huge Skype delay people would

1050
00:59:45,330 --> 00:59:49,380
be like, Oh, I know I keep
grabbing my my iPod or my mp3

1051
00:59:49,380 --> 00:59:51,810
player because I think that the
thing is stopped or it's crapped

1052
00:59:51,810 --> 00:59:54,240
out but then you guys talk
again, and it gets people's

1053
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,130
attention. Silence is beautiful.

1054
00:59:56,460 --> 01:00:00,480
Yeah, yeah, it does work. And we
do have a moment have silence

1055
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,100
every so often. But anyway, so
the two of us are kind of have

1056
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:10,380
a, we have amenable
personalities. So we were

1057
01:00:10,410 --> 01:00:12,270
complimentary. We're not, you
know, people say, oh, there's

1058
01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:14,580
your work because you're the
opposite. So we're hardly the

1059
01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:18,450
opposite. Not at all. We're just
complementary. We have different

1060
01:00:18,450 --> 01:00:22,860
kinds of needs and issues,
perspectives, but they're not

1061
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,420
opposite. They're just
different. And it's all worked

1062
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:31,200
out. So we have a show that
works. Very rare to do these

1063
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,620
kinds of partnerships. Somebody
else who asked a question, let

1064
01:00:34,620 --> 01:00:38,700
me go to this one. Who is the
star of the show? And of course,

1065
01:00:38,730 --> 01:00:39,960
that's would be me.

1066
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:45,540
Yeah, exactly. So right on.

1067
01:00:47,790 --> 01:00:50,640
I thought I'd get that in before
you gave the same line. I

1068
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,800
was wondering if we could
actually say it at the same

1069
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,980
time, like now, it'll never work
on Skype will never hit that at

1070
01:00:55,980 --> 01:00:56,850
the same moment,

1071
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:59,640
though. But that would have been
funny on stage. So

1072
01:01:00,030 --> 01:01:02,970
yeah, Smothers Brothers kind of
humor way.

1073
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,890
There's no star of the show.
Because, and there's no like

1074
01:01:07,890 --> 01:01:10,650
sidekick. I mean, it's not like
there's a dominant character. I

1075
01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:13,140
mean, they've right Adam
produces the show. So he picks

1076
01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:16,980
up the dominant side of the
production because he's the one

1077
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:19,200
that hits the buttons it says in
the morning, and he's the one

1078
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,890
who opens the show, because he's
got all that gear. But it's it's

1079
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:25,290
just happens to be what you have
to do if you're producing

1080
01:01:25,290 --> 01:01:28,350
because if I was producing it,
you know, I starting the clips,

1081
01:01:28,350 --> 01:01:32,010
I'm starting to think myself but
so it's not that somebody has to

1082
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:35,610
produce you can't have two
producers no socket

1083
01:01:36,090 --> 01:01:41,100
with what happened. And a lot of
a lot of people talk about this

1084
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:44,340
at least I've seen it around
like well, you know, used to be

1085
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:47,850
in fact, we used to say the show
that has reopened we would open

1086
01:01:47,850 --> 01:01:51,060
the show the show that has no
jingles, no sound effects, no

1087
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:55,350
agenda. And then I think you
because people need to know that

1088
01:01:55,350 --> 01:01:59,250
John is a is the kind of guy and
this I really appreciate this,

1089
01:01:59,250 --> 01:02:02,940
by the way, who will see
something on television or find

1090
01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:06,150
a crazy documentary or something
that you're generally interested

1091
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:09,060
in? And it's often I think it's
stuff that you don't even

1092
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:12,570
believe in or care about
yourself, but he'll burn you a

1093
01:02:12,570 --> 01:02:16,830
DVD and make a nice label on it.
And you know, and I'm always

1094
01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:20,190
amazed by the labels is always
nice art and it's you know, it's

1095
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:21,210
labeled beautifully

1096
01:02:21,509 --> 01:02:23,939
that we have the expense bustin
they look at it, they say, I'll

1097
01:02:23,939 --> 01:02:26,729
just bust this isn't a bootleg
this guy. It's gonna be the real

1098
01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:29,490
deal. But that's not like
movies. It's you know, it's

1099
01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:34,260
documentaries, it's different
shows that he's seen and you

1100
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:40,230
handed me a copy of the Family
Guy with the episode weenie and

1101
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:45,180
the but and that really got the
because again, we're both radio

1102
01:02:45,210 --> 01:02:48,690
freaks. And we figured this
would just be funny to do and it

1103
01:02:48,690 --> 01:02:52,140
kind of stuck and I think
that'll be fun. That's also

1104
01:02:52,140 --> 01:02:56,220
where in the morning came from,
by the way. And it's such a take

1105
01:02:56,220 --> 01:03:00,510
off on the morning zoo format
and which we both I would say

1106
01:03:00,510 --> 01:03:04,470
love and hate at the same time.
Low Of course now it's just so

1107
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:07,890
old fashioned. But when you
listen to this, you can

1108
01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:12,180
understand why radio guys get
off on weenie in the butt. Two

1109
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:16,170
minutes this oh that's the Hulu
the Hulu preroll What's your

1110
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:18,750
favorites anytime for free Hulu
everybody it's

1111
01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:22,140
rainy in the bud here live at
the go hog air show we're all

1112
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:24,420
ready for the weenies sound
alike contest.

1113
01:03:24,450 --> 01:03:26,880
I don't know but I don't think
they can say my catchphrase

1114
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,550
because they know funny.

1115
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,140
Oh, there it is. And if you
think you can say that just like

1116
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:38,370
weenie here. You could win 97.1
dollars for the cool weekend

1117
01:03:38,370 --> 01:04:00,750
ahead morning weekends and
welcome back. Excuse me. I

1118
01:04:00,750 --> 01:04:02,760
gotta find a lost kid. Can I use
your mic?

1119
01:04:02,790 --> 01:04:03,990
That's what she said.

1120
01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:04,980
Whoa, you

1121
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:06,510
got butt slam?

1122
01:04:09,090 --> 01:04:10,710
Listen, I could really use a
hand here.

1123
01:04:10,740 --> 01:04:17,910
That's what he said. That's
manic monkey on 97.1

1124
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,080
Monkey. Weekends in the

1125
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,550
morning, all weekend long. In
the morning,

1126
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:27,780
radio.

1127
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,670
Give me Stewie Griffin, will you
please report to the radio booth

1128
01:04:32,670 --> 01:04:35,730
Stewie Griffin. Hey, that's
quite a voice you've got there.

1129
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,240
You ever think about doing
radio? Well, I've listened to a

1130
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,270
lot of radio. Peter and Lois
leave the radio on when they go

1131
01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:44,310
out. So I feel like somebody's
home. Well, here's

1132
01:04:44,310 --> 01:04:44,880
my card.

1133
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,000
Call me if you're interested.
Hey, okay, we've got our first

1134
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,370
contestant. Let's see your
winnings. catchphrase.

1135
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,710
Day No, fine.

1136
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:59,820
I think we have a wiener and
that's Dickey the punch line

1137
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:02,100
down Do 97.1 to key the

1138
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:15,720
punch line on. On 97 point

1139
01:05:16,110 --> 01:05:16,650
97

1140
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:23,610
It's one of the greatest moments
in Family Guy history, it really

1141
01:05:23,610 --> 01:05:23,850
is.

1142
01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:26,400
And you know, they produced all
of that stuff and they must have

1143
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,940
had a ball because it really was
like that in the 90s in the 80s.

1144
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:34,410
And the 90s radio was absolutely
in the morning on the context of

1145
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,210
point one, zero content, all
filler, and I used to hate it,

1146
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,350
we got to do liner cards. Here
read this hit the jingle. All

1147
01:05:43,350 --> 01:05:49,170
right, 100.1 dollars in cash for
you on Z 100 G 100 serving the

1148
01:05:49,170 --> 01:05:49,920
universe.

1149
01:05:51,630 --> 01:05:56,340
So we kind of decided we didn't
decide it just happened most of

1150
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:58,590
the show, by the way for people
knowing what we're asking all

1151
01:05:58,590 --> 01:06:02,520
these questions is really an
evolution. Yeah, there's no we

1152
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:03,660
don't have meetings, we don't

1153
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:09,660
know. We we in fact, that's if
there's a rule we generally

1154
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:12,240
agree not to talk about what
we're going to talk about

1155
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:15,000
because we know that what'll
happen is we'll start talking

1156
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,870
about it and then we bring it up
on the show and then it always

1157
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:22,170
suck there's like it's like it's
been rehearsed there's no

1158
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:26,220
tension there. Right and you
know so so anyway said this

1159
01:06:26,220 --> 01:06:28,080
evolved but what happened with
that then of course, you ran

1160
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,400
into Jeff Smith

1161
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,050
and so we ended up getting a
bunch of these jingles and

1162
01:06:34,050 --> 01:06:35,940
things which some people
complain about but the fact of

1163
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:39,570
the matter is it paces the show
well it is a mockery of the of

1164
01:06:39,570 --> 01:06:43,440
the other model and it but it
adds kind of a nice kind of know

1165
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,990
what it is the atmosphere is
improved by it the in the

1166
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:50,280
morning thing is used as a as a
rimshot. Generally, or should be

1167
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,330
and it is often so I say
something funny, which is very

1168
01:06:54,330 --> 01:06:56,580
common on the show, and then he
hits the

1169
01:06:57,390 --> 01:07:00,690
bar if you go off on a tangent
for x.

1170
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,240
So we have a bunch of these
things which we use. And now we

1171
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,230
had a couple of questions.

1172
01:07:07,860 --> 01:07:12,810
That's an old radio trick for a
segue it's really it helps

1173
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,710
transition the listeners brain
from one segment to the next it

1174
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:18,300
jars you for a moment there

1175
01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:22,980
and if you listen to our last
show, show 200 Adam was going

1176
01:07:23,010 --> 01:07:27,570
off the deep end on some topic a
good kept tie was way at least

1177
01:07:27,570 --> 01:07:30,720
two three minutes overdue to
stop it and I told him to play

1178
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,440
the Adam Curry's pet peeve of
the day jingle which I knew what

1179
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,620
transition it would do it you
know stop him in his tracks

1180
01:07:40,980 --> 01:07:44,040
That's right, it also stops me
You're right yeah, it works

1181
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:44,850
perfectly that way.

1182
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:48,660
So the show hears from one of
our listeners the show you do

1183
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:51,540
today is very different from the
show when you first started eg

1184
01:07:51,540 --> 01:07:55,410
personal anecdotes are gone no
they're not. Audio clips and

1185
01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:58,560
jingles are now prevalent.
Originally less than an hour

1186
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,860
week is now four hours a week
and listeners are now asked to

1187
01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:05,100
contribute cash is the show
where you want it to be or

1188
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:08,010
you're planning more changes we
did show just evolved so we

1189
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:12,810
don't plan anything all although
we do things individually that

1190
01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:14,310
may or may not stick

1191
01:08:14,370 --> 01:08:19,530
in fact if anything. We're
always trying and it's more like

1192
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,820
the when I when I find something
and by the way, we'll get into

1193
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:27,240
this but a lot of people send me
stuff that's that's how I get a

1194
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,540
lot of good information and
either that's good or I'll find

1195
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:34,200
something else that is good that
that relates to it. I'm thinking

1196
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,230
Oh man, I'm gonna blow John away
with this. He's gonna love this

1197
01:08:37,230 --> 01:08:39,540
when I play this I can just hear
what he's gonna say that's what

1198
01:08:39,540 --> 01:08:40,110
I'm thinking

1199
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:44,220
yeah, there's that and there's
the other time today curiously

1200
01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:47,220
though, we both tend to be on
the same stories which is kind

1201
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:50,580
of interesting but we had a show
I camera was about six or seven

1202
01:08:50,580 --> 01:08:53,610
shows ago where you had actually
collected the clips that were

1203
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,510
all complimentary to my Yeah,
yeah discussion and it was like

1204
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:59,460
because I didn't get some of
these clips that I wanted you

1205
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:03,030
had them and I actually thought
that was the most unbelievable

1206
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:06,780
show we've ever done because it
it was it looked rigged

1207
01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:11,160
yeah it really flowed very
nicely and that happens from

1208
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:16,080
time to time but yeah, I'm I'm
on board with the evolution we

1209
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,230
there's nothing is absolutely
nothing is planned. I have my

1210
01:09:19,230 --> 01:09:23,280
own things. John has his things.
Sometimes we might send each

1211
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:27,060
other a link from time to time
and even then usually the link

1212
01:09:27,060 --> 01:09:29,340
doesn't get discussed because
there are we saw well whatever

1213
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:35,430
you know, it's over. But we have
a couple of common interests of

1214
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:38,640
things that are funny that we
think are funny usually they

1215
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,460
have to do with mainstream
media. I think that's that's the

1216
01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:44,670
most fun is when we when we rag
on mainstream media and pull it

1217
01:09:44,670 --> 01:09:47,850
apart and simultaneously open
people's eyes as to what's

1218
01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:50,400
really going on and on
television.

1219
01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:52,920
You know, that may have been
triggered by the weenie in the

1220
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,180
bud episode. Probably the Family
Guy because once we start once

1221
01:09:57,180 --> 01:10:00,660
we can start mocking that model
we still are looking at the

1222
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:04,680
media bitching about it
generally, on a higher plane I

1223
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,480
believe than the the people at
Fox have ever thought of. And we

1224
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,940
started, we realized that it was
actually interested, we were

1225
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:14,010
entertaining ourselves. And we
knew it was very valuable

1226
01:10:14,010 --> 01:10:17,190
information. And we had the
time. It's not like anyone can't

1227
01:10:17,190 --> 01:10:20,460
do this, but most people work
for a living, if you're gonna

1228
01:10:20,460 --> 01:10:24,450
have a job at Goldman Sachs, and
you're there till, you know,

1229
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:27,450
seven at night, and you have to
get in early or whatever. And

1230
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:29,880
then you have to drink all day,
which seems to be what the job

1231
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,440
is about. strippers, you know,
what strippers, you don't have

1232
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:38,400
time to go and start digging
around these stories, to find

1233
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,310
the one you know, the missing
element or the the kind of the

1234
01:10:41,310 --> 01:10:44,670
crazy connection, you just
haven't got time to do it. And

1235
01:10:44,670 --> 01:10:47,550
then you know, the fact that the
mainstream media doesn't do it,

1236
01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:51,090
and they don't, is just makes
you wonder.

1237
01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:56,220
So I will say that there were
two seminal moments when we had

1238
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:01,140
our equivalent of a meeting. And
the one is when we spoke on the

1239
01:11:01,140 --> 01:11:04,080
phone said, You know what, this
thing is real, this is really

1240
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,130
catching on, let's do two shows
a week that I do, remember, and

1241
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:10,260
that was like, Well, you know,
something's happening here. This

1242
01:11:10,260 --> 01:11:15,300
is really special, we should
just do it. And then I even

1243
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:17,880
recall you saying, Okay, I've
got to switch this around. I've

1244
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,760
got cranky geeks on Wednesday. I
mean, this is when we started to

1245
01:11:20,970 --> 01:11:24,390
really integrate the show into
our daily schedule into our

1246
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:29,580
lives, because actual work does
go into it. I don't know about

1247
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:36,360
you, but I every single day,
here's my system, I have labels

1248
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,330
set up in my email like Gmail
labels, and whenever I come

1249
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:42,150
across something that I think is
interesting, or that someone

1250
01:11:42,150 --> 01:11:47,340
sends me, or that I find, I'll
email it, and tag it with that

1251
01:11:47,340 --> 01:11:52,830
label. So I have a label now for
show 201. And then, the night

1252
01:11:52,830 --> 01:11:57,480
before the show. That is, if I
haven't found anything that that

1253
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,660
showed up that I really needed
to dig into, which of course,

1254
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:06,210
can take hours of extra work and
investigation, then, you know, I

1255
01:12:06,210 --> 01:12:10,740
sit down and I start to start to
assemble everything into a huge

1256
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:13,500
outline of stuff. And then I
have to read everything, you

1257
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,590
know, look at all the YouTube
clips. And in the meantime,

1258
01:12:16,590 --> 01:12:21,030
whenever I can, without
destroying my relationship, I'm

1259
01:12:21,090 --> 01:12:26,040
I'm watching C span C span, one,
two, and three. I'll skim by

1260
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:31,260
HLN, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, just to
see what they're doing. See, if

1261
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:34,140
I find anything funny, I find
myself watching less of Fox

1262
01:12:34,140 --> 01:12:38,490
these days. It's just too
annoying for me. But C span I

1263
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:44,250
find to be just, I love it so
much. And to me, that is it is

1264
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,980
actual entertainment. And of
course, C span has done a great

1265
01:12:46,980 --> 01:12:50,070
job with their video library.
Because all you have to do is

1266
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:53,370
remember a line that someone
said, which is typically what

1267
01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:57,000
I'm looking for, you go to the
archive, you type it in search

1268
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,640
transcripts, it'll search the
transcripts and come up with

1269
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,610
that actual piece of video and
cue the video to the spot where

1270
01:13:02,610 --> 01:13:06,210
the line is it I mean, it's
amazing what they've done there.

1271
01:13:06,210 --> 01:13:08,460
It's a very valuable resource.
And you know, the thing is on

1272
01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:11,580
the weekend, they have this what
I really like, and I like the

1273
01:13:11,610 --> 01:13:14,910
regular C span, but on the
weekend of this book TV. Yeah,

1274
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:18,570
they bring these various our
writers in and many of them have

1275
01:13:18,570 --> 01:13:21,270
written crazy books in one way
or the other right wing, left

1276
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:24,840
wing everything. And they sit
them down with a guy who really

1277
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,300
is a good conversationalist, or
sometimes somebody that's in

1278
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:31,020
their same field of study. And
they talk to him for an hour or

1279
01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:35,190
more, usually an hour, and it's
a whole hour and it's extremely

1280
01:13:35,190 --> 01:13:38,730
basically it's like books on
tape. I mean, you get the whole

1281
01:13:38,970 --> 01:13:41,100
pretty much the perspective
you're looking for you find

1282
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,100
everything out from this person.
They it's just amazing. It's a

1283
01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:47,310
it's much better than any talk
show, Charlie Rose or any of

1284
01:13:47,310 --> 01:13:47,940
these commercials.

1285
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:51,540
Yeah. And what's nice, what's
nice about that is I know I kind

1286
01:13:51,540 --> 01:13:54,720
of know what you're watching. So
I know that I don't have to

1287
01:13:55,170 --> 01:13:57,990
wait, I must say from time to
time it happens every other

1288
01:13:57,990 --> 01:14:01,560
week, probably you'll either
you'll send me sometimes I send

1289
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,610
you an SMS, a text message
saying dude, C span three now.

1290
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:08,310
Right? And then we'll both sit
down and watch something at the

1291
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:10,740
same time. Does that happen to
me that I've been in the car,

1292
01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:14,610
and I get like a C span to now
like, oh crap, but I'd love to

1293
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:17,370
have the C span iPhone app and
I'll listen to the audio. It's

1294
01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:20,520
like It's sickening. We're like
we're like the guys from the

1295
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,120
Muppets.

1296
01:14:21,450 --> 01:14:24,690
It's a little crazy. Yeah, it
is. But it's not as though you

1297
01:14:24,690 --> 01:14:26,790
know and the funny thing is I
don't think when we first began

1298
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:30,180
this show that we're gonna get
so heavily embedded into current

1299
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:32,430
events to this extremely like
somebody says, you know, your

1300
01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:35,880
show was about you guys going
out to dinner and you know, and

1301
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,760
it just Yeah, it was a lot of
moments. It was still discussed

1302
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,060
wine and food occasion when it
comes up. And but we don't

1303
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:44,760
instead of sitting around
talking about our meal that

1304
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,150
people can live vicariously
through our, you know, steaks

1305
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:53,310
and, and Cabernet. It did pretty
much kind of just went by the

1306
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:56,820
wayside because it wasn't I
don't know if

1307
01:14:57,270 --> 01:15:01,110
the audience also drove that and
the Only way to measure that is

1308
01:15:01,110 --> 01:15:04,590
by feedback that you get and the
growth of the audience. And it

1309
01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:07,530
was pretty clear what people
were interested in. And they

1310
01:15:07,530 --> 01:15:11,370
were interested in on our take
of current events. We're

1311
01:15:11,370 --> 01:15:15,210
interested in our unveiling, if
you will. And this is purely

1312
01:15:15,210 --> 01:15:19,110
because of our experience our
unveiling of the bullshit and

1313
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:24,840
the, I would say, the deception
of mainstream media. And it's n.

1314
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:27,930
And I think it's helped a lot of
people see things in a different

1315
01:15:27,930 --> 01:15:30,960
light. And that's what the
audience wants. And you know,

1316
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:33,390
John, you and I are both in the
audience business at the end of

1317
01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:33,870
the day.

1318
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:37,650
Yeah. And in fact, it is we, you
can tell, by the way people send

1319
01:15:37,650 --> 01:15:40,530
you notes. I mean, yeah, every
once in a while, some buddy that

1320
01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:43,260
was there from the original
show, and they kind of liked the

1321
01:15:43,260 --> 01:15:45,390
fact that we have a wind tip
once in a while, which I can

1322
01:15:45,390 --> 01:15:49,110
still do. Or there's some
observations we made about the

1323
01:15:49,170 --> 01:15:52,680
trends in food. That's
Firewatch, which is now

1324
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,980
different than me complaining in
the earlier show that show 200,

1325
01:15:55,980 --> 01:16:00,210
about the raw milk issues.
That's kind of a foodie thing.

1326
01:16:00,420 --> 01:16:03,360
But the point is, is that the
people that really got jacked

1327
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,630
up, and the ones are pretty much
financing the show, because they

1328
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:10,620
send in big contributions and
say, Wow, we like the way you

1329
01:16:10,620 --> 01:16:13,110
deconstruct these stories, the
way you tear him apart the way

1330
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:18,270
you show us. Me, is it where we
where you show me that this that

1331
01:16:18,270 --> 01:16:21,210
I'm being led astray people,
it's very valuable for people to

1332
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,810
have some sense of understanding
of what they're being bombarded

1333
01:16:24,810 --> 01:16:25,170
with.

1334
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,040
So when did we start asking for
donations?

1335
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:40,230
That began sometime in 2009. I
believe we semi seriously may

1336
01:16:40,230 --> 01:16:44,070
have done something in late
2008. And as always, I can say

1337
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:46,890
this because I can look at the
Pay Pal accounts since we did it

1338
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:52,110
as a Pay Pal thing and we did
it. At the beginning, I think

1339
01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:57,780
with trepidation. Not complete
trepidation. But I think you may

1340
01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:00,000
have had a little more night
because I've always felt there

1341
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:07,500
was a model of direct support.
And I was thinking about this, I

1342
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:09,750
could keep thinking of different
arguments, because you know, the

1343
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:13,980
ones that do it the best are
public broadcasting. And

1344
01:17:14,669 --> 01:17:17,219
you're right. That's what it
was. We were talking about that.

1345
01:17:17,219 --> 01:17:20,579
And then we were talking about
PBS. And I said why why did

1346
01:17:20,579 --> 01:17:26,099
those dickheads who are clearly
shills not all and all the time,

1347
01:17:26,099 --> 01:17:30,029
but why did they get away with
this? And why did people support

1348
01:17:30,029 --> 01:17:34,049
that? It appears that we have a
large number of people who like

1349
01:17:34,049 --> 01:17:37,259
us the same way they either
currently do or used to like

1350
01:17:37,259 --> 01:17:38,399
Public Broadcasting?

1351
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:42,600
Right. And they ban public
broadcasting also has the the

1352
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,300
issue with the fact that they
have commercials and we played

1353
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:47,910
you know, we really played up a
couple of clips that we

1354
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:52,140
developed, we found about, you
know, the admitting that they're

1355
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,160
under right, let's

1356
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:58,020
play that one because we can't
play that enough. This was the

1357
01:17:58,020 --> 01:18:04,890
president of PBS NPR, was the
NPR Yes. NPR, being asked about

1358
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,850
underwriters. Yeah, about their
underwriters and how the state

1359
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:11,250
of affairs and here was our
answer. Okay, moving on to

1360
01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:11,820
money.

1361
01:18:12,059 --> 01:18:15,539
How are NPRs corporate
underwriting revenues holding up

1362
01:18:15,539 --> 01:18:18,299
in the recession? And what about
foundation grants

1363
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:25,260
to difference stories?
Underwriting is underwriting is

1364
01:18:25,290 --> 01:18:28,650
is down, it's down for
everybody. I mean, this is this

1365
01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:32,070
is this is the area that is most
down for us is is in is in

1366
01:18:32,250 --> 01:18:35,310
sponsorship, underwriting,
advertising, call it whatever

1367
01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:35,760
you want.

1368
01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:38,970
Right, call it whatever you
want. And then I think we

1369
01:18:38,970 --> 01:18:41,940
started to open people's eyes.
This is kind of the way when we

1370
01:18:41,940 --> 01:18:44,850
start to open people's eyes
about how it really worked. And

1371
01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:47,340
people like wow, you know,
Monsanto sponsors, this Archer

1372
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:49,710
Daniels Midland sponsors that
and we're like, Well, okay, so

1373
01:18:49,710 --> 01:18:51,810
how about the objective
reporting about those companies?

1374
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:55,980
Well, that doesn't seem to be a
hell of a lot of it. And I think

1375
01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:58,770
a lot of people, this is maybe
how it really started, John, and

1376
01:18:58,770 --> 01:19:01,830
I'm just vague on it. But as
people start to send us like

1377
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:04,290
$100, and say, Well, this is
what I would have normally spent

1378
01:19:04,290 --> 01:19:08,670
on PBS, the national treasure. I
want to spend it on you. And I

1379
01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:11,850
think that's where we said, oh,
wait a minute. There's something

1380
01:19:11,850 --> 01:19:12,240
here,

1381
01:19:12,510 --> 01:19:16,080
this an evolutionary show. And
like with anything in evolution,

1382
01:19:16,110 --> 01:19:19,800
just a model. It's very
difficult to put your finger on

1383
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,890
a spot. I mean, I could we can
do the weenie in the bend, but

1384
01:19:23,310 --> 01:19:26,160
spot and then that has some
influence. And we can point

1385
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,760
right to it. But the rest of it
is always vague because it just

1386
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,880
kind of evolved. And we were
actually very, you know, being

1387
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,150
an open source show, which is
another idea that we decided to

1388
01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:40,620
go with. In other words, we
don't care if you steal the

1389
01:19:40,620 --> 01:19:42,450
show. I actually

1390
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:46,230
do remember I was in New York
with Mickey and it was winter,

1391
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:52,080
it must have been winter 2009
And I remember I called you and

1392
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,890
I said, you know, hey, this this
model that we've been kind of,

1393
01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:58,950
well, not really working on but
that has evolved. It seems to be

1394
01:19:58,950 --> 01:20:02,010
working we should really go for
this, we should really try. And

1395
01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:05,280
I think at that point, I said,
Boy, I would love to do this

1396
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,670
full time, I would love to do
nothing else. But this, I enjoy

1397
01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:09,540
it so much.

1398
01:20:09,780 --> 01:20:14,760
Well, well, the model that I
was, I remember, I was always

1399
01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,840
for it from the get go. Because
I've always admired the model

1400
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:22,170
itself, I always admire the fact
that you can get, if you get

1401
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,830
give people what, you know,
essentially, you're doing, it's

1402
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:27,990
like the Max Headroom thing,
where they had the direct

1403
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:30,990
numbers, you know, the guy was
the show was going downhill, the

1404
01:20:30,990 --> 01:20:33,600
numbers would go down, and you
can see it in real time, you can

1405
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,210
see if we're doing the right
thing, if we're doing a good

1406
01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:42,060
job, directly, it's not value
for value, you can't go off the

1407
01:20:42,060 --> 01:20:44,970
deep end, and we can't turn the
show into like an analysis of

1408
01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:48,570
the 60s music. And that's all we
talk about for two hours and

1409
01:20:48,570 --> 01:20:52,890
expect to get any money from
anyone. So we're only doing it

1410
01:20:52,890 --> 01:20:56,220
now at the same time, we don't
obviously don't want to be

1411
01:20:56,220 --> 01:21:01,500
pushed around by the audience,
we have to lead them as, as

1412
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:04,590
opposed to just doing whatever
they want. So you have to have

1413
01:21:04,590 --> 01:21:07,410
some leadership, this is like a
company that you know, you you

1414
01:21:07,410 --> 01:21:11,070
don't focus group everything.
Focus grouping takes you, it

1415
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:13,230
shows you what they used to
like, but if you want to move

1416
01:21:13,230 --> 01:21:15,900
the show in new directions, or
tried different things, you

1417
01:21:15,900 --> 01:21:18,390
actually have to experiment with
it. But you will get that

1418
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:21,180
feedback, you're gonna get a
push back to now, you know, this

1419
01:21:21,180 --> 01:21:26,370
sucks. Don't do that again. And
you know, and then the donations

1420
01:21:26,370 --> 01:21:29,850
go way down. So it's an
interesting tightrope walk, but

1421
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:34,470
it's directs support from the
listeners. And, and people have

1422
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:37,890
come up with all kinds of
different complaints about it.

1423
01:21:38,610 --> 01:21:42,330
You know, you know, why do we
Why do I have to spend $100,

1424
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:46,500
because I go see a movie for 50
bucks, and they put a lot of

1425
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:49,020
money into making those movies
and you guys don't put any money

1426
01:21:49,020 --> 01:21:52,350
into making this show. And they,
this is kind of weird kind of

1427
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:55,770
complaints about production
costs I've been getting every

1428
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:58,920
once in a while on. And I might,
I'd never had a real good retort

1429
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,810
for it. Except Well, it's you
know, it's difference, like

1430
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,390
you're paying for books on tape.
It's like a book, we're really

1431
01:22:03,390 --> 01:22:05,880
competing with books on tape,
we're not competing with avatar.

1432
01:22:06,270 --> 01:22:08,070
And then I started thinking,

1433
01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:11,790
we're also competing with radio,
but you know, radio, you get 22

1434
01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:15,660
minutes an hour of action? Well,
less radio is terrible. 17

1435
01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:18,930
minutes of programming and 13
minutes of commercials, you

1436
01:22:18,930 --> 01:22:20,220
know, make your choice.

1437
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:23,220
Right? And then how much is your
time worth? So I've used that

1438
01:22:23,220 --> 01:22:25,410
argument. But then I also find
another one, which I really

1439
01:22:25,410 --> 01:22:28,830
haven't exploited on the show.
But, you know, because people

1440
01:22:28,830 --> 01:22:30,810
didn't as production? Well, it
costs a lot of money to make a

1441
01:22:30,810 --> 01:22:35,250
movie. What about a novel,
novels are one of the first in

1442
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,310
that one of the first businesses
that are directly user

1443
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:43,050
supported. Good point, you buy a
book, good point. And you read

1444
01:22:43,050 --> 01:22:44,910
the book and you've you know,
you've already paid your money

1445
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:47,520
though, of course, unlike our
show, the book you pay in

1446
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:52,560
advance for the book, and you
pay in advance for the for the

1447
01:22:52,590 --> 01:22:54,930
avatar movie, you pay in advance
for a lot of these things. We

1448
01:22:54,930 --> 01:22:58,320
don't do that. We're more of the
church model where you, you

1449
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,090
know, if you don't like the
sermon, you don't have to put

1450
01:23:00,090 --> 01:23:03,480
anything in the coffers. But
it's the same thing. Your books

1451
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:07,260
are user supported. And when
there's no ads in a book,

1452
01:23:07,290 --> 01:23:10,620
no and what and once you get
over the personal hurdle coming

1453
01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:15,960
from mainstream, where by the
way, we hate commercials, I've

1454
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,490
always hated commercials. I hate

1455
01:23:17,519 --> 01:23:19,679
that's where the DVR is such a
godsend. No,

1456
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,680
but I mean, just even as a
creative as a creator of

1457
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,110
content, or like, you know, I
got it. I got to hit the

1458
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:27,450
commercial break. I gotta wait
for the commercial. Yeah.

1459
01:23:27,870 --> 01:23:30,450
Terribly. You got us interrupt
your flow. Watch one of these

1460
01:23:30,450 --> 01:23:33,600
shows anyone listening to this
on Fox or in places and they get

1461
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,300
somebody in a really heated
debate, but they're on a hard

1462
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:36,870
break?

1463
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:42,450
Yeah. I've seen this with Tom
Brokaw and the president. And

1464
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:45,390
they got some some guy screaming
in his ear counting down to

1465
01:23:45,390 --> 01:23:47,730
commercial and the President's
actually just saying something

1466
01:23:47,730 --> 01:23:51,630
really interesting. And it's
annoying. It's very, very

1467
01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:56,070
annoying as a creator to go
through that. But then it was

1468
01:23:56,070 --> 01:24:00,930
kind of weird. At least for me,
it was you know, you feel

1469
01:24:00,930 --> 01:24:05,160
embarrassed to ask people for
money. And there is a

1470
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:09,810
psychological hurdle. And but
once you're over that, it's got

1471
01:24:09,810 --> 01:24:12,060
over it pretty quickly. It's
easy sailing, you know, it's

1472
01:24:12,060 --> 01:24:12,750
like hey,

1473
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:18,180
I had some pushback from the
family like and I won't say who

1474
01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:21,990
but they know who they are. How
can you bring yourself to

1475
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:25,350
begging for money for this? How
can you do that it's beneath you

1476
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:28,890
can't you get some advertisers?
I don't want any advertisers if

1477
01:24:28,890 --> 01:24:31,890
I can get money directly from
the listeners. I mean, why would

1478
01:24:31,890 --> 01:24:35,760
I want that? The product it just
ruins the product. I mean,

1479
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,490
there's nobody and the thing is
the most of the people have not

1480
01:24:38,790 --> 01:24:42,090
we've taken it to one of the
reasons that we do this show and

1481
01:24:42,090 --> 01:24:46,050
we do this the money asking for
money and support donations is

1482
01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:52,020
because whatever you want to
call it is because it gets us

1483
01:24:52,020 --> 01:24:54,390
closer to the audience was
actually a good close

1484
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:57,030
connection. You know, you know,
you know what you're getting for

1485
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:59,970
your money. It just it just
makes you feel more honest.

1486
01:25:00,539 --> 01:25:03,089
And then there's another thing
we did, which I know was my

1487
01:25:03,089 --> 01:25:07,259
initiative. And I think it
helped us in a number of ways is

1488
01:25:07,259 --> 01:25:11,519
we decided to stream it live
when we do the show. And that

1489
01:25:11,519 --> 01:25:14,789
did a number of things. One it
gave, at least me, I appreciate

1490
01:25:14,789 --> 01:25:18,509
the instant feedback loop of the
chat room. Now, I can't watch it

1491
01:25:18,509 --> 01:25:22,589
all the time. But sometimes a
punch line will come through,

1492
01:25:22,589 --> 01:25:25,139
and they're always on a 25
second delay. So it's

1493
01:25:25,139 --> 01:25:28,139
interesting how that works. But
a punch line will come through

1494
01:25:28,139 --> 01:25:32,879
or someone might drop a link in
there. But I personally, even

1495
01:25:32,909 --> 01:25:35,279
even if I didn't have the chat
room, just knowing that people

1496
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:38,639
are listening live at that
moment gives me an energy that

1497
01:25:38,669 --> 01:25:41,879
I've always loved doing things
live, I'm not a big fan of

1498
01:25:41,879 --> 01:25:45,509
recording. If I'm, if I have to
record something, it's got to be

1499
01:25:45,509 --> 01:25:48,329
live to tape, like I do daily
source code, like you do cranky

1500
01:25:48,329 --> 01:25:52,229
geeks, all of that stream live
as well. Now, I just want to

1501
01:25:52,259 --> 01:25:55,769
live live live, because then you
can leave all the warts in there

1502
01:25:55,769 --> 01:25:58,619
and all the all the crazy shit
and actually makes it more

1503
01:25:58,619 --> 01:26:03,029
interesting when it's not highly
produced. And it also forces us

1504
01:26:03,029 --> 01:26:06,479
to kind of you know, I think
before we're doing it live, it's

1505
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,359
like, hey, what time should we
do the show? Well, I got this, I

1506
01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:13,559
got that. Now. It's like,
there's my schedule is Thursday

1507
01:26:13,559 --> 01:26:19,619
morning. I get up, I get up same
630. I get up. And from then on

1508
01:26:19,649 --> 01:26:22,979
out, it's no agenda Sunday
morning, 630. I get up from then

1509
01:26:22,979 --> 01:26:24,029
on. It's no agenda.

1510
01:26:24,030 --> 01:26:26,190
I know, I had the same thing he
said, but occasionally we've had

1511
01:26:26,190 --> 01:26:28,950
to move the show to Wednesday
night. It hasn't. We haven't had

1512
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:31,260
that in a long time. But we're
gonna have it next month because

1513
01:26:31,260 --> 01:26:34,770
I have a travel thing that's
interrupting both shows. Which

1514
01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:37,500
brings me to a wait, let me
finish one more thing about the

1515
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:40,530
donations. One of the things
that when we went into the

1516
01:26:40,530 --> 01:26:45,060
donation thing we started asking
for, for money, direct support

1517
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:48,930
from the listeners. This has
never really been I've been

1518
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,230
figuring this out. Because it's
a form of marketing. It's that

1519
01:26:52,230 --> 01:26:55,170
interests me but one of the
things that I that people say

1520
01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:57,060
wow, you can't me yeah, how are
you? I'm sure you're starving to

1521
01:26:57,060 --> 01:26:59,910
death. And you can't do it. Once
you get an advertiser, they

1522
01:26:59,910 --> 01:27:04,710
always say, no one except us.
And I believe me, I haven't seen

1523
01:27:04,710 --> 01:27:07,500
anything close. And I there may
be some religious programming

1524
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:10,410
that I'm not aware of. But
nobody doing podcasting,

1525
01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:14,820
professional level, good quality
podcasting, as we're doing has

1526
01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:20,160
taken it serious. Yeah, we are
seriously you know, we have

1527
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,770
programs, we can't wait the
night thing, we've got a

1528
01:27:22,770 --> 01:27:23,550
different kinds of this.

1529
01:27:23,730 --> 01:27:27,660
So don't don't call it a tip
jar. We don't work for tips

1530
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,930
do this, we're seriously doing
this. And it's like, take it or

1531
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:34,470
leave it, this is the model
we're working with. It's gonna

1532
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:36,930
be a lot better the product,
you're gonna get a lot better if

1533
01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:39,300
you get anything out of it, you
get something out of it, you

1534
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:42,900
know, contribute. I mean, just
the way he was just new.

1535
01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:46,350
Do you feel the show serves as
more than just a source of

1536
01:27:46,350 --> 01:27:49,380
entertainment? If yes, what do
you hope to accomplish? Well,

1537
01:27:49,380 --> 01:27:55,170
first of all, let me say, from
my perspective, I absolutely see

1538
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:59,190
this as a form of entertainment.
I hope everyone is entertained

1539
01:27:59,190 --> 01:28:02,250
by our show, they have to if
you're not entertained, we have

1540
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,940
blown it. You have there has to
be a moment where an

1541
01:28:05,940 --> 01:28:09,000
entertainment comes in, in
different ways. It can be funny,

1542
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,270
it can be dramatic, it can be
sad, it can be frightening,

1543
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:15,390
whatever emotion button we're
hitting, it has to be

1544
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:19,320
entertainment, otherwise, why
Listen, them just be boring.

1545
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:21,930
I remember somebody sent us a
link. So well, there's a couple

1546
01:28:21,930 --> 01:28:24,480
of people that do a show like
yours. And they send us a link

1547
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:27,930
to somebody show that was very
much like ours, they

1548
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:31,440
deconstructed the news a bit.
They tended to not to have our

1549
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,990
perspectives, but they you know,
they did a fairly decent job.

1550
01:28:34,020 --> 01:28:39,120
And it was so dull. They had no
it was just like this academic

1551
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,260
Drew, you can't get you know,
it's just the modern audience is

1552
01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:46,320
the modern audience. And and no
matter how intellectual you

1553
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,190
might think you are, you will be
better served by someone who

1554
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:54,870
feed you information in a way
that keeps your attention and to

1555
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:56,820
keep your attention. You have to
have an element of

1556
01:28:56,820 --> 01:28:59,280
entertainment. Our
personalities, generally

1557
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,420
speaking, I think are, are are
the entertainment.

1558
01:29:04,350 --> 01:29:07,710
Well, so and I've only had this
one I humor? Of course, yes.

1559
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:11,850
Obviously. I've only had this
one other time in my career, the

1560
01:29:11,850 --> 01:29:15,270
sometimes you just find these
magical combinations. And it's

1561
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:18,180
not by design, you can't train
for it, you can't go to school

1562
01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:21,750
for it. It just happens and you
have these combos that just

1563
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:24,840
work. And this is one of those
that just work. In fact, my

1564
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,450
biggest fear now, and I know
what yours is, John, but my

1565
01:29:27,450 --> 01:29:30,180
biggest fear is you're going to
roll over and die one day and

1566
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:33,450
the show will be over and I know
you're in use at least

1567
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:37,530
you're gonna go crazy and leave
Mickey and go off the deep end.

1568
01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:38,490
I mean, I know what you're

1569
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:43,230
thinking. Yeah, I think that can
happen any minutes. Our pledge

1570
01:29:43,230 --> 01:29:47,340
asks on Twitter, Mr. Dvorak,
your campaign seems to have the

1571
01:29:47,340 --> 01:29:49,740
momentum of a runaway freight
train.

1572
01:29:49,770 --> 01:29:53,400
Hey, there's the meme. Why are
you so popular?

1573
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:59,370
I think we answered that
question just now. Also the no

1574
01:29:59,370 --> 01:30:02,010
agenda chat folks wanted to
moderate should be invited,

1575
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,720
they've donated a lot of their
time when they're invited to

1576
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,330
listen to the show, and we're
done with it. We next time,

1577
01:30:06,330 --> 01:30:07,740
maybe we can do something more
for them.

1578
01:30:07,770 --> 01:30:11,190
This show is the first one a
long time that we're not

1579
01:30:11,190 --> 01:30:14,670
streaming live. But also, this
is a different type of show.

1580
01:30:14,670 --> 01:30:17,490
We're just kind of. So let's
answer the second part of that

1581
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:20,940
question, though. What do you
hope to accomplish? What do you

1582
01:30:20,940 --> 01:30:22,710
hope to accomplish John with the
show?

1583
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,090
I think at Sutton and this is
going to be this sounds really

1584
01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:31,380
this is not going to sound good.
Because that, because it makes

1585
01:30:31,380 --> 01:30:35,820
you sad. There's a kind of a
you'll you'll see what they

1586
01:30:35,820 --> 01:30:40,680
take. No, no, I think that we I
think, honestly believe that

1587
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:45,810
we're doing a serious public
service to bring people

1588
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,210
generally peep people that are
listening to the show, I've

1589
01:30:48,210 --> 01:30:50,550
always believed this was even
when I'm a writer, people always

1590
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:53,310
say, Well, what do you what?
When I'm writing like in PC

1591
01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:56,550
Magazine, when I was writing all
those years and inside track, I

1592
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:59,280
always had a vision of what what
was I trying to accomplish and

1593
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,800
what I was trying to accomplish,
because I knew it would get me

1594
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,860
more readers a bit busy for
selfish reason, by the way, I

1595
01:31:04,860 --> 01:31:08,010
knew it to get me more readers.
My concept was if I could if

1596
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:12,180
somebody read my column, and
they're, and they're working in

1597
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:16,170
a cubicle, and my cut, my column
was designed to give them an

1598
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:20,040
edge over the guy in the other
cubicle who wasn't reading my

1599
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:24,090
column. And I've always believed
that this is your, you know, the

1600
01:31:24,090 --> 01:31:27,180
value proposition. It's a phrase
I hate. But it was one of the

1601
01:31:27,180 --> 01:31:29,430
things I've always it's always
in the back of my mind. I'm

1602
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:33,600
trying to give people some edge
over the people who aren't

1603
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:34,950
paying attention to me,

1604
01:31:35,010 --> 01:31:39,360
oh, no, this is basically we
want you the audience to be able

1605
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,270
to get laid because you sound
smarter listening to us.

1606
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,900
Exactly. I mean, at the end of
the day, isn't that it? Or a job

1607
01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:49,350
or a promotion or anything, it
can enrich your life because you

1608
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:52,230
had that one little bit of
information that someone went,

1609
01:31:52,530 --> 01:31:55,380
Oh, like I said something
interesting. She has an

1610
01:31:55,380 --> 01:32:00,390
interesting take on stuff that
and for me, it's that maybe it

1611
01:32:00,390 --> 01:32:04,440
just that this is for, you know,
I'll tell you what it is. This

1612
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:07,890
is I think I was born to do
this. I think everyone is born

1613
01:32:07,890 --> 01:32:11,310
to do something. And it took me
a long time with a lot of

1614
01:32:11,310 --> 01:32:14,790
detours. And I've been counting
down the hits. And I've you

1615
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:18,660
know, I've pretended to run
companies with varying degrees

1616
01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:23,430
of success but but basically
riding off of fame and fortune,

1617
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:28,260
which in itself is interesting
to have a perspective from from

1618
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:33,450
that angle. But this I love
this. I so love it. People say

1619
01:32:33,450 --> 01:32:36,120
man, you work really hard. You
do a lot. We have house guests,

1620
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,520
and they'll be like, Oh, my God,
Adams always on our thing. And

1621
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,820
he's editing and he's recording
stuff. And I love it. And it's

1622
01:32:41,820 --> 01:32:45,000
not it doesn't even feel like
work. I love this. I love what

1623
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:49,620
we do. I love what I do. But and
that's also completely selfish.

1624
01:32:49,620 --> 01:32:51,600
But to get you laid, hey,

1625
01:32:51,630 --> 01:32:55,410
no, no good, actually good.
works generally are selfish at

1626
01:32:55,410 --> 01:32:58,770
some level. Because you you
know, if you think you're

1627
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:01,350
helping somebody sometimes it's
selfish because you get a good

1628
01:33:01,350 --> 01:33:04,170
feeling from it. And that's a
selfish thing. Although it

1629
01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:07,110
wouldn't be defined as such by
anybody in their right mind. So

1630
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:09,900
let's talk about the open source
model for just no way before we

1631
01:33:09,900 --> 01:33:12,210
do that, since you brought kinda
brought it up. I want to bring

1632
01:33:12,210 --> 01:33:15,240
in Simon Smith's question from
Twitter, which is when we offer

1633
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,880
relationship advice on no
agenda. My wife doesn't react

1634
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,010
well to the hookers and blow
angle.

1635
01:33:21,210 --> 01:33:25,740
Really? She should try it. What
does that mean?

1636
01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:27,300
I don't know. Some people just

1637
01:33:28,290 --> 01:33:32,040
you know, we do get i Here's a
certain thing. Two things I

1638
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:36,510
hear. One is people don't like
the hookers and blow because

1639
01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:42,360
they it puts some people off.
Okay. That's just who we are. I

1640
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:46,500
guess and we find it amusing.
You know, I don't think, John,

1641
01:33:46,530 --> 01:33:50,070
I've never done blow. And I
certainly have never done the

1642
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:54,150
combination of hookers and blow
at the same time. So,

1643
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,760
so you admit to doing hookers?
Yeah, absolutely.

1644
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:58,410
You'd like you've never done
hookers.

1645
01:33:59,850 --> 01:34:03,180
And I don't discuss these things
in public. Or was this odd? By

1646
01:34:03,180 --> 01:34:08,280
the way though hookers situation
is a cycle and the 30s of the

1647
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,880
70s Big Lots of hookers. And so
we're gonna get we're going into

1648
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:16,410
a new cycle of hookers in
probably starting around 2012

1649
01:34:16,440 --> 01:34:19,590
I mean, well, that's why I am
not against hookers. I think

1650
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:21,780
that there's a lot of bad stuff
that happens in the sex

1651
01:34:21,780 --> 01:34:26,100
industry. But if you know
there's a lot of women who

1652
01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:30,240
support their children and and
themselves and if that's what

1653
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,000
they want to do, and it can be
done in a safe manner power to

1654
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,760
you I grew up in Amsterdam I saw
it working quite well. Thank

1655
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:39,870
you. The what's the problem is
when it gets driven underground.

1656
01:34:40,890 --> 01:34:42,030
That's a whole separate show.

1657
01:34:42,450 --> 01:34:43,950
So now what was your right now
What was your

1658
01:34:43,950 --> 01:34:47,820
the second one? People say?
Well, I tried to help people

1659
01:34:47,820 --> 01:34:50,400
listen to the show, but then
they hear the opening and the

1660
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,420
hole in the morning thing. I
think it's some BS, top 40 You

1661
01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:56,550
know, weenie in the butt show
and then they don't listen.

1662
01:34:57,870 --> 01:35:00,690
And I don't know what we can do
about that. Nothing but

1663
01:35:00,690 --> 01:35:03,750
I actually like it because you
have to once you get over that

1664
01:35:03,750 --> 01:35:09,270
hump, then then you can get kind
of sucked in. So, no, that's

1665
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:11,790
also a mask that's probably
important to you imagine like

1666
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,260
some meeting going on at the NSA
or the CIA and they're like,

1667
01:35:16,830 --> 01:35:19,260
we've got to get rid of these
guys. I hear bad things about

1668
01:35:19,260 --> 01:35:22,140
that Korean War, Oculus, listen
to the show, and they hear this

1669
01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:24,960
hole in the morning bit. And
like, wow, that can't be

1670
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:25,530
anything.

1671
01:35:27,450 --> 01:35:29,940
Definitely puts puts people or
maybe

1672
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:33,000
Echelon you know, Echelon is
sniffing a show and they're

1673
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:33,570
like, Oh, this

1674
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,020
is just what you said the guy
goes into a meeting says these

1675
01:35:37,020 --> 01:35:40,380
guys are they're subversive
these two guys and the guys is

1676
01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:42,420
really well let me hear what let
me hear the show and then they

1677
01:35:42,450 --> 01:35:45,750
start playing it with that
opening. That Greg Levin

1678
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:52,080
Buzzkill. Guy says, Get the hell
out of my office you crack

1679
01:35:53,490 --> 01:35:58,740
by the way that is now that you
mentioned it. I purposely love

1680
01:35:58,830 --> 01:36:01,530
and I don't know who came up
with the moniker but I love

1681
01:36:01,530 --> 01:36:03,900
being called the crackpot
because it is the ultimate

1682
01:36:03,900 --> 01:36:07,890
shield. The ultimate because
some of the stuff we say and I

1683
01:36:07,890 --> 01:36:11,250
think we get pretty close to the
truth and a lot of issues. I

1684
01:36:11,250 --> 01:36:13,860
would rather people say he's
just a conspiracy theorist. He's

1685
01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:17,100
just a crackpot. Because that
will save me from getting

1686
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:20,160
killed. We've talked about

1687
01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:24,000
Yeah, excellent. I think it's a
good theory. And it's it's an

1688
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,940
unlikable theory. But that, you
know, we shot to track down the

1689
01:36:26,940 --> 01:36:31,590
guy who coined crackpot and
buzzkill it was an email I got

1690
01:36:31,620 --> 01:36:34,530
we mentioned on the next show,
he mentioned it and you thought

1691
01:36:34,530 --> 01:36:38,160
it was great to be called the
crackpot love and so then we our

1692
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,070
artwork started to have a
crackpot and buzzkill put on it.

1693
01:36:41,070 --> 01:36:43,410
So we did just reiterated the
whole thing, we

1694
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:47,700
should not move into that open
source nature of the show. So

1695
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:52,200
two amazing things which are a
part of the model, a part of the

1696
01:36:52,230 --> 01:36:55,380
openness and the freedom and the
and the support of through

1697
01:36:55,380 --> 01:36:59,670
donations is we don't own
anything. We don't well, I guess

1698
01:36:59,670 --> 01:37:01,500
technically, if you really
looked at it, we do have a

1699
01:37:01,500 --> 01:37:05,340
microphone. Yeah. But the show
is whatever it is. And we have

1700
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:10,740
people cutting this up splicing
it putting it into all kinds of

1701
01:37:10,770 --> 01:37:16,440
making rants, ringtones, making
trans music out of it. But we

1702
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:20,010
also have people who who create
things. So a lot of our jingles

1703
01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:22,740
by the way, we could use a lot
more and we'd love them. But we

1704
01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:25,230
are very critical. We don't just
use everything people send in a

1705
01:37:25,230 --> 01:37:27,750
lot of people send in stuff that
we just feel is not good enough.

1706
01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:35,610
We have artwork, and we have two
main artists, sir Randy Asher

1707
01:37:35,610 --> 01:37:40,320
and Sir Paul T. And they, you
know, these guys have jobs, they

1708
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:44,640
do. What, who knows what they
do. And they they spend their

1709
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:48,570
time they they create artwork
for us for almost every single

1710
01:37:48,570 --> 01:37:51,390
show. Now there's no agenda
art.com where people can drop

1711
01:37:51,390 --> 01:37:54,570
art. And we've used the art from
different artists, if anything,

1712
01:37:54,930 --> 01:37:57,420
we add. So after every show,
people should know we have a

1713
01:37:57,420 --> 01:38:00,180
discussion. So the first thing
we say is what do we think of

1714
01:38:00,180 --> 01:38:04,080
the show? And there's been a
couple of times we said, Well,

1715
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,690
that sucked. And we're pretty
brutal with each other. Although

1716
01:38:06,690 --> 01:38:09,420
John never agrees with my
criticism of him. If I say,

1717
01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:11,700
Well, you sucked on that. It's
like, No, that was really good.

1718
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:16,110
And if you criticize me, you're
usually right. And I just take

1719
01:38:16,110 --> 01:38:22,140
it like a man. Hi. So we we talk
about that. And then we talk

1720
01:38:22,140 --> 01:38:22,650
about

1721
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,680
what essentially it's important
post mortem that most

1722
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:26,940
publications do? Yeah.

1723
01:38:26,969 --> 01:38:30,839
Then we'll say what, what do we
call the show? So we think about

1724
01:38:30,839 --> 01:38:34,199
what will get the best SEO
results? What will people be

1725
01:38:34,199 --> 01:38:37,919
searching, we want all those
accidental hits. And then we

1726
01:38:37,919 --> 01:38:40,679
have to choose from the artwork.
And that is sometimes the

1727
01:38:40,679 --> 01:38:44,639
hardest part because this it's
so good. We don't want to have

1728
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:47,999
one guy put off over the other
guy because they both sent them

1729
01:38:47,999 --> 01:38:50,789
something great. It's that's a
hard choice sometimes.

1730
01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:54,330
Yeah, it's amazing. We have and
there's other artists waiting in

1731
01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:57,900
the wings to contribute on an
occasional basis. We have some

1732
01:38:57,900 --> 01:39:01,650
tremendous support from these
guys. And then, you know, I

1733
01:39:01,650 --> 01:39:04,920
asked her set up his own t shirt
shop and through I don't know

1734
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:09,630
what mechanism and you know, we
you know, stuff that calm stuff.

1735
01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:12,870
Yeah. And we have, you know, all
these guys, and we've encouraged

1736
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:15,300
it and we don't we don't have
our name trademark. Somebody

1737
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:18,090
came up with an email the other
day that said, Senator, I think

1738
01:39:18,090 --> 01:39:21,420
I got a good promotional idea.
Why don't you trademark in the

1739
01:39:21,420 --> 01:39:24,990
morning. And then every time you
hear anybody saying it on any

1740
01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:28,170
show whatsoever, send them a
cease and desist order, and then

1741
01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:31,410
they'll promote you. And you'll
get free publicity, although

1742
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:34,770
it's actually a funny idea, but
it's not our model at all.

1743
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:39,210
It sounds like work and that's
one thing we hate to do any

1744
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:43,470
work. We actually don't want to
do anything. We just want to do

1745
01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:46,320
this show. We don't want to have
any extra work. We don't want to

1746
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,220
do any, you know, extra
promotion stuff that involves

1747
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:51,300
leaving a computer.

1748
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:57,690
Or we're gonna interrupt right
there and talk about some of the

1749
01:39:57,690 --> 01:40:00,630
things that we talked about on
that show and then Also, we're

1750
01:40:00,630 --> 01:40:04,290
going to maybe do a little bit
of a reiteration of what our

1751
01:40:04,290 --> 01:40:08,460
common buys two years later,
where we corrected ourselves.

1752
01:40:08,460 --> 01:40:12,690
Because after two years from
2010 to 2012, a lot changed. A

1753
01:40:12,690 --> 01:40:14,850
lot change. And we're going to
discuss a little bit of that.

1754
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:16,980
And we'll get back to the show.
But let's talk about a couple of

1755
01:40:16,980 --> 01:40:18,630
things. I wrote down some notes
on this.

1756
01:40:18,630 --> 01:40:21,930
Can I say something first? Sure.
I want to thank you for putting

1757
01:40:21,930 --> 01:40:27,420
up with my shit. We cut the
whole middle part, the same

1758
01:40:27,420 --> 01:40:27,870
state,

1759
01:40:27,870 --> 01:40:30,750
I didn't know you know what I
mean, you get the viewer

1760
01:40:30,750 --> 01:40:31,770
insulting. In some

1761
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:37,050
Yes. And I apologize for that.
But it one point you said that

1762
01:40:37,050 --> 01:40:39,600
we're talking about, you know,
what is our greatest fear? I'm

1763
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,940
like, Oh, I'm afraid that you
know, you're gonna drop dead one

1764
01:40:41,940 --> 01:40:47,160
day won't have a show. And then
you and you were afraid of I

1765
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:51,690
would leave Mickey and go crazy.
So you had part of it? Right?

1766
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,110
You let him make it? He went
crazy. Wow.

1767
01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:01,380
No, no, but I listened. I'm
like, Wow, man, you know, you

1768
01:41:01,380 --> 01:41:06,240
certainly certainly into in the
in the earlier part of the, of

1769
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,840
the sequence of shows that he's
no agenda. You put up a lot of a

1770
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,420
lot of my crap, and I appreciate
it. You start out with me. You

1771
01:41:12,420 --> 01:41:13,290
hung in there?

1772
01:41:13,890 --> 01:41:17,160
Well, I knew we had something
going. And then you had this

1773
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:19,080
episode 100 where I wanted to

1774
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,650
quit. Yeah, you actually wanted
to quit. Full time.

1775
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:26,010
How stupid was that? No, I did a
couple of times

1776
01:41:26,430 --> 01:41:28,710
100. By the way, it was the
deuce club show. We did very

1777
01:41:28,710 --> 01:41:32,760
well. We had a lot of support.
And we're changing our club

1778
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:35,640
structure. So we can so people
can all be deduced club members

1779
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:39,660
will be part of the the club.
Yeah, we'll figure out some how

1780
01:41:39,660 --> 01:41:43,050
to wait to put that together
shortly. Let's talk talk about a

1781
01:41:43,050 --> 01:41:46,470
few of the things that we
discussed in the interim that

1782
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:50,910
have changed and one of them was
show prep. Okay. You made a wish

1783
01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:53,760
you'd had a different way of
doing show prep in 2010. You

1784
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,210
changed it a little bit in 2012,
which was then you talked about

1785
01:41:57,210 --> 01:42:01,320
it. Now your show prep is
completely different. to an

1786
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,110
extreme, I'd say. And it what is
it now?

1787
01:42:04,170 --> 01:42:08,760
Okay. Yes, that's a good
question. Dave Jones, who was

1788
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:12,630
one of our producers, who lives
in Alabama, he's a dude named

1789
01:42:12,630 --> 01:42:17,010
Ben for, I think a tax
preparation firm, as small or

1790
01:42:17,010 --> 01:42:21,570
smallish firm. And he and I were
we were kind of working on Dave

1791
01:42:21,570 --> 01:42:26,400
Winer was a big outliner guy,
besides, you know, working

1792
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,030
together at podcasting, but he's
always been about organizing

1793
01:42:30,030 --> 01:42:34,380
information and outline, I've
naturally drawn to the idea of

1794
01:42:35,850 --> 01:42:38,700
the organizing information and
outliner with expanding you

1795
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:42,570
know, trees, and you can see
what's underneath it. And Dave

1796
01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:45,060
Jones just on his own time, and
this has been going on for I

1797
01:42:45,060 --> 01:42:47,520
think we're now in our fifth
year have been building the

1798
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,100
system, which we call the
freedom controller, which is

1799
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:52,860
open source, you can download it
run on your own server, you can

1800
01:42:52,860 --> 01:42:55,020
do anything you can you can
replicate everything we're

1801
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:58,470
doing. It's you know, it has
documentation to and updates,

1802
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:03,990
where we have this template for
each show that has a lot of the

1803
01:43:04,020 --> 01:43:05,790
initial things that are in
there. But also there's an

1804
01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:10,200
entire system, whenever I see an
article that I think is

1805
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:12,810
interesting, or if you send me a
link that that is an article

1806
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:16,170
that's interesting, I have a
bookmarklet on my phone, and any

1807
01:43:16,170 --> 01:43:20,910
any browser I have, and it will
not only it will place that

1808
01:43:20,910 --> 01:43:24,840
article into an outline into an
outline format, and also save an

1809
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:29,130
offline copy. A stripped down
kind of like a What does that

1810
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,730
mean abstract? Well, it's just
without it's just without

1811
01:43:32,730 --> 01:43:36,480
formatting. It's without the
format it Yeah, but it says it

1812
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:38,940
has everything in there,
including the images will save

1813
01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:42,870
all of that. And what's cool
about it is, you know, I set up

1814
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:46,800
all the all of that. And what's
cool about it, is, you know, I

1815
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,350
set up all these topics, and
then I can drag and drop all the

1816
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:52,800
sound files in that we use after
the fact. And pretty much the

1817
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,700
show prep is already the show
notes. So when we're done, often

1818
01:43:56,700 --> 01:44:00,270
we're still doing our post show
post mortem and our gossip. And

1819
01:44:00,270 --> 01:44:04,110
then I'll pretty much I hit
publish. And it turns the show

1820
01:44:04,110 --> 01:44:07,260
notes of all these topics. And
then I can drag and drop all the

1821
01:44:07,260 --> 01:44:10,740
sound files in that we use after
the fact. And pretty much the

1822
01:44:10,740 --> 01:44:14,610
show prep is already the show
notes. So when we're done, often

1823
01:44:14,610 --> 01:44:18,180
we're still doing our post show
post mortem on our gossip. And

1824
01:44:18,180 --> 01:44:22,020
then I'll pretty much I hit
publish. And it turns the show

1825
01:44:22,020 --> 01:44:25,800
notes, all the stuff that we use
into the show prep into the show

1826
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:30,780
notes. It's a it's a dynamite
system. It is one up for me, at

1827
01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:36,420
least on the production side. It
is it really, really completes

1828
01:44:36,420 --> 01:44:39,480
the whole product that we're
making. And because it's all

1829
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:44,070
structured data, we've had these
great developers who have been

1830
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:47,820
able to create apps, but also
the search

1831
01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:51,990
search.na shownotes.com. All of
that flows very easily, very

1832
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:54,990
automatically into anything
because of the format that it's

1833
01:44:54,990 --> 01:44:58,290
in. That's the main the main
difference. It also saves me

1834
01:44:58,620 --> 01:45:03,180
hours and hours. Are hours of
time I can even if you send me

1835
01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:05,520
an email, and I did want to talk
about that from it, if you send

1836
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:10,290
me an email that I put it into a
folder on my, on my iMac but

1837
01:45:10,290 --> 01:45:14,070
email system, and then when I'm
doing my show prep, usually the

1838
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:17,700
evening before the show, I can
hit import, and it'll import all

1839
01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:20,370
of the emails that I've saved,
which just have no text or

1840
01:45:20,370 --> 01:45:22,590
something interesting that
someone said, and I can go in

1841
01:45:22,590 --> 01:45:26,610
and edit out, you know, any, any
email address or anything I want

1842
01:45:26,610 --> 01:45:31,200
to. So it everything flows into
this one system. And it's really

1843
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,700
dynamite. It's I think that
every podcast should be using it

1844
01:45:35,790 --> 01:45:36,510
when honestly.

1845
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:41,370
Well, the night before, what do
you do that you say show prep,

1846
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,050
this is kind of show prep,
right?

1847
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,470
So the night before I Well, it
does the night before in the

1848
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:48,660
morning before and I don't have
to get up as early as you do.

1849
01:45:48,660 --> 01:45:51,210
But I get up at seven. And the
show starts at 11 for me, so I

1850
01:45:51,210 --> 01:45:54,930
have all this time, the night
before, that's really when I go

1851
01:45:54,930 --> 01:45:58,680
crazy, just getting as many
clips, recording clips, doing as

1852
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,280
much as I can, which will also
be intermingled with if I have

1853
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,620
an analysis of something. So if
there's a document, if there's

1854
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:06,780
legislation, if there's
something else, I'll really

1855
01:46:06,780 --> 01:46:09,480
spend a lot of time the evening
before, I typically don't go to

1856
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:13,350
bed before one or 2am. So it's a
short night of that gap in the

1857
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:15,510
morning. And then I hit so the
clips are kind of all ready to

1858
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:19,710
go. And then I start organizing
all of the topics into the

1859
01:46:19,710 --> 01:46:22,110
familiar if you'd look at the
show notes into all the familiar

1860
01:46:22,140 --> 01:46:26,520
sub headings of, of different of
different topics that we

1861
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:31,530
discuss. And then just before
the show, you know, I organize

1862
01:46:31,530 --> 01:46:35,220
the clips into little folders,
you send your clips, I don't

1863
01:46:35,220 --> 01:46:38,130
listen to him. I just drop them
right in. I don't even really

1864
01:46:38,130 --> 01:46:39,630
look at him at all. If you say

1865
01:46:39,630 --> 01:46:42,180
you've decided not to listen to
my clip. I've never listened to

1866
01:46:42,180 --> 01:46:45,960
it for the purposes of
extemporaneous discussion.

1867
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:47,040
Surprise.

1868
01:46:47,070 --> 01:46:49,200
I mean, yeah, that's the way

1869
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:53,010
our whole theory. I think we
talked about it on and we do we

1870
01:46:53,010 --> 01:46:56,250
do? Yeah, our whole theory is,
and this is based on a lot of

1871
01:46:56,250 --> 01:47:00,540
different things we both
experience is the pre interview

1872
01:47:00,540 --> 01:47:05,250
and the rehearsal. Yeah. If you
do like this, yeah, life is

1873
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:09,990
drained from a show like this,
if we rehearsed. So it's done as

1874
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:15,930
a performance. Performance art,
it's done like, like improv. And

1875
01:47:15,930 --> 01:47:18,660
a lot of people are surprised by
it, because we are so good

1876
01:47:18,660 --> 01:47:20,400
working together, which is the
reason I think you'd like

1877
01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,040
working with me is that I am
fairly good, not as good as I

1878
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:28,200
could be at cueing you to. So
I'd be saying something and it's

1879
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:31,530
a cue for a clip, you'll be
looking for the clip. And then I

1880
01:47:31,530 --> 01:47:34,920
say, and then you can't believe
what he said, boom, the clip

1881
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,670
starts playing. Yeah. And that's
all this engineering talent that

1882
01:47:38,670 --> 01:47:42,750
you have. And your ability to do
that is wireless. It surprises

1883
01:47:42,750 --> 01:47:45,840
people. We we talked about this
off the air, about how we do

1884
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:47,340
have a lot of radio people that
was

1885
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:50,820
they think we have a whole staff
and we have messaging lights,

1886
01:47:50,820 --> 01:47:56,490
and you're starting clips or no
idea. I want my morning show to

1887
01:47:56,490 --> 01:47:58,980
sound like that. I said, well,
good luck with that, buddy.

1888
01:47:58,980 --> 01:47:59,880
That's not gonna happen.

1889
01:47:59,970 --> 01:48:04,650
So it's all single handed, which
is, and slick. We do drop the

1890
01:48:04,650 --> 01:48:07,650
ball occasionally. And something
I have to stop the clip because

1891
01:48:07,650 --> 01:48:10,950
I didn't set it up completely.
And Adams jumped into God. And

1892
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:13,350
sometimes you're in a queue and
there wasn't one there, or

1893
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:13,680
you'll be

1894
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,230
cute. Or you'll be you'll be
talking about a clip like what

1895
01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:20,430
is it but then instead of
digital, it'll play the wrong

1896
01:48:20,430 --> 01:48:21,510
clip on occasion.

1897
01:48:22,140 --> 01:48:24,090
You just misspell clips
sometimes?

1898
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:31,170
No, and that's sometimes often I
have a tendency to want to wreck

1899
01:48:31,470 --> 01:48:33,900
doing the clips out here. Just
type something in that I think

1900
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:38,550
I'm hitting the right keys.
Never edited it. So it goes in

1901
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:39,570
this you know something,

1902
01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:42,090
because it might have your clips
alphabetically.

1903
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:51,600
The story about Jordan could be
ended up as y j, p, Jad n s t y.

1904
01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:56,220
I've learned I've learned to S
or y So learn to work around it.

1905
01:48:56,250 --> 01:48:56,580
But

1906
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,580
I know that's why. In fact, if
you hadn't learned to work

1907
01:48:59,580 --> 01:49:02,580
around it, I'd probably put more
effort into making this spelling

1908
01:49:02,580 --> 01:49:03,570
correct. There's

1909
01:49:03,570 --> 01:49:07,200
something else that has changed
in the interim since our last

1910
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:13,650
since two 200.6 podcasting has
seen a resurgence. And so

1911
01:49:13,650 --> 01:49:17,310
the mainstream media picks Well,
I think I think about this, I'm

1912
01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:21,660
sure you do too. But it's almost
as if the mainstream media and

1913
01:49:21,690 --> 01:49:25,590
the broadcast media, the radio
people for sure, have said they

1914
01:49:25,590 --> 01:49:28,770
finally came into a meeting and
said, you think that these guys

1915
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:31,680
could actually, you know,
replace us because they don't

1916
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,340
have really the overhead we have
right? Well, we can do

1917
01:49:35,340 --> 01:49:36,450
podcasting, too.

1918
01:49:36,480 --> 01:49:39,180
That's right. The union said Oh,
no. Oh, no.

1919
01:49:39,630 --> 01:49:42,210
So you so they start doing
podcasting and all of a sudden

1920
01:49:42,210 --> 01:49:44,910
they're interested and so they
write articles about it. Yeah.

1921
01:49:45,450 --> 01:49:48,450
Yeah, of course. We're generally
even though we're I'd say

1922
01:49:48,450 --> 01:49:51,930
pioneers having going on our
eighth year. We never get

1923
01:49:51,930 --> 01:49:54,960
mentioned in these articles.
Just barely mentioned each

1924
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:59,100
other. Oh, PBS has got early, a
podcast about about gemstones.

1925
01:49:59,130 --> 01:49:59,670
Yeah,

1926
01:49:59,730 --> 01:50:03,600
well But the big difference. And
this is something that we just

1927
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:07,740
naturally understood and have
done from day one, radio or

1928
01:50:07,740 --> 01:50:12,870
television, any type of linear
media, they always do 59 minutes

1929
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:16,080
and 58 seconds, it's going to be
exactly an hour that you know,

1930
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,480
everything is back timed. You
know, Bo, we're going to talk

1931
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:21,330
this light. In fact, if you look
at scripts, even for podcasts

1932
01:50:21,330 --> 01:50:27,090
that NPR does, it's the it's the
script that has the seconds next

1933
01:50:27,090 --> 01:50:30,390
to it. So each line is a second,
right? You know what I mean to

1934
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:34,590
Chris, and we don't have to
worry about the next show. You

1935
01:50:34,590 --> 01:50:37,980
don't have to worry about
hitting a sponsor break. No hard

1936
01:50:37,980 --> 01:50:41,310
break, no heartbreaks, no news.
If we can go as long as when we

1937
01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:44,880
could start with the hour. Now
we can start whenever we want a

1938
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:48,750
graphic on the eighth or the
Yes, or the threes, or the sixes

1939
01:50:48,750 --> 01:50:53,700
and we take it we have from the
get go. Seeing that I think is

1940
01:50:53,700 --> 01:50:56,850
completely liberating. Like oh,
I could, you know, I can just

1941
01:50:56,850 --> 01:51:00,840
talk until the either faces Oh,
yeah, well, until we both know

1942
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:05,220
that it's time or bored. You
know, yours boring. When we call

1943
01:51:05,220 --> 01:51:07,920
each other you call me out more
often than I call you out. But

1944
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:11,730
you know, it's good. And I liked
the raw nature of it. I feel

1945
01:51:11,730 --> 01:51:14,640
that people are mad. We've
always felt as if people are so

1946
01:51:14,970 --> 01:51:19,620
tired of the pro formulaic way
that programming is put

1947
01:51:19,620 --> 01:51:20,880
together, we mock

1948
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,660
it once a while we catch a
democracy. Now the guy said one

1949
01:51:24,660 --> 01:51:26,970
of the worst thing about this is
that they're gonna have a

1950
01:51:26,970 --> 01:51:30,390
meeting tomorrow, and we got to
hit sorry, we're done for today.

1951
01:51:30,450 --> 01:51:31,980
Your I will talk to you later.

1952
01:51:32,850 --> 01:51:35,820
Sorry, yeah, got to go. Just
when it's getting interesting,

1953
01:51:35,850 --> 01:51:36,510
exactly.

1954
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:43,080
This happened in Media Writing
media, too. And as a columnist,

1955
01:51:43,860 --> 01:51:48,780
when you're writing for print,
you write to the generally

1956
01:51:48,780 --> 01:51:52,680
speaking, you write to a number.
So you they want 650 words, you

1957
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:58,620
try to get 635, just 656 760,
maybe, and they cut out stuff,

1958
01:51:58,620 --> 01:52:02,100
put something in, right, or they
just pad but you try you because

1959
01:52:02,100 --> 01:52:04,980
there's a spot there that you
think is going to appear in it.

1960
01:52:04,980 --> 01:52:08,490
It's only so much area, right?
So you have to write the

1961
01:52:08,490 --> 01:52:11,910
numbers. So you do and there's
different styles, you can do 500

1962
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:16,230
word essay, 650 word essay,
750s 1200, they're all pretty

1963
01:52:16,230 --> 01:52:18,930
standard. You can after years
and years of doing it, you can

1964
01:52:19,290 --> 01:52:23,340
in your brain, you can add, it's
astonishing to do, you can go

1965
01:52:23,340 --> 01:52:27,240
right to 650 and stop and you do
a word count boom, six. Right,

1966
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:31,860
right. Right, right. Well with
the internet that ended and that

1967
01:52:31,860 --> 01:52:33,990
again, is liberating, because
now you maybe want to ramble a

1968
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:37,260
little bit. So it goes to 752,
which has these different

1969
01:52:37,260 --> 01:52:39,210
numbers, it could be anything
you wanted to because there's no

1970
01:52:39,210 --> 01:52:42,600
real page layout that you have
to worry about. I was amused by

1971
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:45,480
one of my editors, I think it
was at PC computing for a number

1972
01:52:45,480 --> 01:52:50,220
of years. John Zilber, who
became a PR guy later, but he

1973
01:52:50,220 --> 01:52:54,720
used to be one of these guys and
I think this is the drawback he

1974
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,870
would start writing and that
because it was no end he would

1975
01:52:57,870 --> 01:53:01,620
just go crazy he writes 7000
words on something well

1976
01:53:01,620 --> 01:53:04,620
but this is also a problem and
so if you look at the intercept

1977
01:53:04,620 --> 01:53:08,430
which is the $250 million
WordPress blog from PR Dr. Mike

1978
01:53:08,430 --> 01:53:13,200
calm and he media, they don't
have editors and it goes on so

1979
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,590
long they just your eyes glaze
over like I can't read anymore

1980
01:53:16,590 --> 01:53:20,430
I'm so tired of it and we don't
allow that to happen. Because we

1981
01:53:20,460 --> 01:53:24,180
we stopped each other either
naturally just suddenly we go

1982
01:53:24,180 --> 01:53:27,030
into another topic we are
editing either at the same time

1983
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:29,250
in real time. That said

1984
01:53:30,210 --> 01:53:34,110
when we did show 200.5 which
people have heard or heard half

1985
01:53:34,110 --> 01:53:38,970
of so far we do discuss all the
show an hour and a half you know

1986
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:42,360
are all right we we can't I
think we ended it was saying

1987
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:46,200
something like to do it. We
couldn't go under an hour and a

1988
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:51,300
half or two hours or something
that's like a joke. Now. Why is

1989
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:56,550
that? Well, I think we do deeper
digs. I think that's a part of

1990
01:53:56,550 --> 01:54:00,000
it that digs deeper on the
material. The shadow, I think

1991
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:03,120
there's a shallowness to some of
those earlier shows and stuff.

1992
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:05,280
And it wasn't as interesting.
And that's also

1993
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,250
just what the amount of material
available on the internet that

1994
01:54:08,250 --> 01:54:10,800
has helped us tremendously.
People publishing stuff

1995
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,030
everywhere. It's great.

1996
01:54:12,150 --> 01:54:14,850
We have each of us have our
little list of things we want to

1997
01:54:14,850 --> 01:54:19,320
talk about on each show. And
then many times complimentary,

1998
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:24,570
sometimes not. And it drags on
and it goes too long. The

1999
01:54:24,570 --> 01:54:28,140
shooting for 245 that's what we
try. Yeah, but I can imagine

2000
01:54:28,170 --> 01:54:31,950
five years from now. Tons money

2001
01:54:31,980 --> 01:54:34,440
we're gonna go to sleep for a
moment. We'll be right back

2002
01:54:34,530 --> 01:54:38,850
reducers in five hours. Now,
it's not gonna happen. I think

2003
01:54:38,910 --> 01:54:44,250
we've decided although I say we
may have decided before, we were

2004
01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:48,540
going over three hours on a lot
of shows. That was I felt that

2005
01:54:48,540 --> 01:54:53,610
we were going to listen that
long and it was dragging on and

2006
01:54:53,610 --> 01:54:56,010
sometimes the material could
have been cut down and just

2007
01:54:56,010 --> 01:54:57,960
certain things we didn't need to
talk about. So

2008
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:03,810
here is the the challenge In a
way, but also it's a benefit. We

2009
01:55:03,810 --> 01:55:09,960
are episodic. And this is why
even though we, I think

2010
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:14,310
discourage it, mainly, people
want to hear all of what we've

2011
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:17,130
said in a previous episode. So
that because we do reference

2012
01:55:17,130 --> 01:55:19,830
things, and I'm getting better
at saying Hold on a second,

2013
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:23,850
let's just explain what this is
also for ourselves, right? I do

2014
01:55:23,850 --> 01:55:27,000
that too. Yeah. I've gotten this
question. I've gotten better at

2015
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:30,720
it. Just to stop and say, Okay,
this is where this comes from,

2016
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,360
again, about something from a
year ago. I mean, we've had to

2017
01:55:33,390 --> 01:55:36,840
read discuss the Benghazi
thesis, which is it was a

2018
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:40,590
kidnapper failed kidnapping
attempt, right? We've just other

2019
01:55:40,590 --> 01:55:42,870
things that we've come up with
over the years. In fact, there

2020
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:46,560
was something in the in show
200.5, where we mentioned the

2021
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,250
Hill and Knowlton was behind the
Oh, yeah, farming thing, and I

2022
01:55:50,250 --> 01:55:54,870
forgot all about my bad
connection. Yeah. Well, let's

2023
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:58,200
lower some more stuff on the
list here. You made a big deal

2024
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:01,050
about me handing you DVDs that
were highly produced and very

2025
01:56:01,050 --> 01:56:02,610
pretty. We don't do that with

2026
01:56:02,610 --> 01:56:05,100
labels. Now. We don't do that.
That's, that's that, well, we

2027
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:06,600
also don't see each other
anymore.

2028
01:56:06,900 --> 01:56:08,970
Right? We don't see each other
anymore, even though I'm gonna

2029
01:56:08,970 --> 01:56:13,320
head down there. Oh, don't
threaten me. We were just

2030
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:16,590
talking about three Shows a
week. And we actually, I think

2031
01:56:16,590 --> 01:56:21,300
it was, last year, we did a
third show for for the purposes

2032
01:56:21,300 --> 01:56:26,880
of another vacation. And so we
did a show to remember. And we

2033
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,730
were so tired from doing that
third show that we there's no

2034
01:56:29,730 --> 01:56:32,040
way now when we're doing an hour
and a half, we thought it might

2035
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:34,590
be a good way to divide it up,
it would give us three, four and

2036
01:56:34,590 --> 01:56:38,220
a half hours a week right of
material over three shows. But

2037
01:56:38,370 --> 01:56:40,530
it turns out that when we're
talking about something, we

2038
01:56:40,530 --> 01:56:43,350
can't keep it down to an hour
and a half. It's just not

2039
01:56:43,350 --> 01:56:46,320
possible it isn't. So the three
show things fell by the wayside.

2040
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:47,010
It was never,

2041
01:56:47,580 --> 01:56:49,500
it's just not a good idea,
because you just don't have

2042
01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:53,730
them. Even the Friday, Saturday,
before we do the Sunday show.

2043
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,690
It's tight. But that was chosen
specifically, because Friday is

2044
01:56:57,690 --> 01:57:00,210
when the throwaway news is put
out there that you're really not

2045
01:57:00,210 --> 01:57:02,880
supposed to know. But it's is
put out there because they need

2046
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:05,340
to publish something. And that's
where I personally, I catch a

2047
01:57:05,340 --> 01:57:07,860
lot of stuff on the Friday
afternoon news cycle, if you

2048
01:57:07,860 --> 01:57:08,160
will.

2049
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:13,320
And then I thought it was funny,
we had a discussion of the

2050
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:17,250
artists who at the time were
Randy Asher and Paul T, the

2051
01:57:17,250 --> 01:57:20,250
dominant artists, this is during
the era when we actually would

2052
01:57:20,250 --> 01:57:23,790
allow our pictures of the two of
us to be on the artwork, which

2053
01:57:23,790 --> 01:57:29,220
we know is banned. Yeah. And
because it was just, it's just

2054
01:57:29,250 --> 01:57:33,870
wasn't good. Right? Now, we
don't really become conceptual,

2055
01:57:33,870 --> 01:57:34,980
it's much more advanced and

2056
01:57:35,850 --> 01:57:41,010
so good. Beside that, or in
addition to that, the

2057
01:57:41,040 --> 01:57:43,500
productions that people are
making, and again, I'm gonna say

2058
01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:46,800
this is also Moore's law, just
better computers and editing,

2059
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:51,630
etc. We now have entire songs
mash up stuff put in the right

2060
01:57:51,630 --> 01:57:55,620
key, I mean, really top notch
stuff that when I was working in

2061
01:57:56,190 --> 01:57:59,850
top 40 hit radio B, we would
contract with people who would

2062
01:57:59,850 --> 01:58:02,580
do that for a living. And then
typically they'd make something

2063
01:58:02,580 --> 01:58:05,820
or a spoof song, and they'd send
it to 20 stations and get

2064
01:58:05,850 --> 01:58:08,820
because they're all on the
payroll. We have people doing

2065
01:58:08,820 --> 01:58:11,910
such our producers doing such
high quality work. It's really

2066
01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:14,970
astounding some of the stuff
that we receive and use on the

2067
01:58:14,970 --> 01:58:15,420
show.

2068
01:58:16,590 --> 01:58:18,960
Right, I think there's a
function of our open source

2069
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:24,060
nature and the volunteer nature
of the show, which is unique. We

2070
01:58:24,060 --> 01:58:27,270
did discuss a little bit about
the how the how the funding

2071
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:31,650
works. We had, there was one
part of the conversation that

2072
01:58:31,650 --> 01:58:35,070
thought was interesting, and
wasn't really explored, but I

2073
01:58:35,070 --> 01:58:38,490
like a brightly lit room and
Adam, do you still like a dark,

2074
01:58:38,910 --> 01:58:41,640
dingy kind of cave like
atmosphere when you do the

2075
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,850
podcast? Yes, I do. Why is this?

2076
01:58:45,180 --> 01:58:49,380
I don't know. It's I think I
explained it previously

2077
01:58:49,380 --> 01:58:52,980
and breed in the dark here, but
I'm reading stuff all the time.

2078
01:58:52,980 --> 01:58:55,290
Yeah, but I'm reading the
screens that you read on paper,

2079
01:58:55,290 --> 01:58:59,640
I read off screens. For me it's
a romantic it's part of our

2080
01:58:59,670 --> 01:59:04,470
Okay, for me, it's part of the
theater of the mind. I like to

2081
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:05,430
be closed off

2082
01:59:05,490 --> 01:59:07,170
the dark room. Yes,

2083
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:11,340
I didn't Well back in that old
boiler back when I was smoking

2084
01:59:11,580 --> 01:59:15,630
and I smoke continuously during
the show. You know, I only

2085
01:59:15,630 --> 01:59:18,390
needed a green visor and then I
would have been set you know, I

2086
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:23,850
am sitting here with the single
light bulb somewhere and so now

2087
01:59:23,850 --> 01:59:28,770
actually, it's in the second
bedroom is the studio and I have

2088
01:59:28,830 --> 01:59:33,000
one of those big heavy moving
blankets. You know the kind that

2089
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:38,250
ya accumulate after many moves,
then it's on to set a wall no

2090
01:59:38,250 --> 01:59:41,520
because I'm facing the window
the shades are drawn on the

2091
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:44,400
window and then this big black
moving blankets in front of

2092
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,740
mainly for noise of course for
the you know, so I don't have an

2093
01:59:46,740 --> 01:59:49,710
echo we sound to make a little
debtor in the room. Yeah, but it

2094
01:59:49,710 --> 01:59:54,990
also really brings down the
ambient light. I like it. It's

2095
01:59:54,990 --> 01:59:57,270
just what I've always I've
always romanticize I've always

2096
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:59,730
wanted to be the night disc
jockey even though that's where

2097
01:59:59,730 --> 02:00:00,330
the Shit.

2098
02:00:01,530 --> 02:00:04,260
Denouncing your mouth close over
your mouth and a close up of the

2099
02:00:04,260 --> 02:00:07,530
microphone. Your lips come close
to it. Yeah, and it's uh, Hey,

2100
02:00:07,530 --> 02:00:12,030
Ben, it's raining outside. He's
driving and going back and forth

2101
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:14,340
to you on the radio. This is the
night owl. I'm

2102
02:00:14,340 --> 02:00:17,250
telling you what's going on. We
play another set of Led Zeppelin

2103
02:00:17,250 --> 02:00:21,150
from beginning to end. Yeah,
that's my romantic nature.

2104
02:00:21,690 --> 02:00:25,290
Whatever works. Yeah. I in the
other hand, I've thought about

2105
02:00:25,320 --> 02:00:28,680
getting dead dinning up the
room, because I know that when

2106
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:31,710
you have a dead room, you have a
nice sound, but I don't I let

2107
02:00:31,710 --> 02:00:34,650
the ambience do its thing. And I
don't know that it hurts that

2108
02:00:34,650 --> 02:00:36,990
much. I play the mic pretty
close. So I'm not like too

2109
02:00:36,990 --> 02:00:41,580
concerned about it, even though
it's not as directional as the

2110
02:00:41,820 --> 02:00:43,230
Heil pr 40.

2111
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:44,400
And what are you using now?

2112
02:00:44,610 --> 02:00:48,540
I'm using a cat 3000 from China.
China. I know.

2113
02:00:49,050 --> 02:00:53,370
I know. Nice. I'm using my I'm
using the road. I've changed I'm

2114
02:00:53,370 --> 02:00:57,960
using the road Procaster I'm a
close mic or I like to spit in

2115
02:00:57,960 --> 02:00:58,560
the mic.

2116
02:00:59,730 --> 02:01:03,870
Well, I use this mic because I
was doing research on mods. And

2117
02:01:03,870 --> 02:01:07,230
I do have a mod mic which I use
for quite a while the Joli mic,

2118
02:01:07,710 --> 02:01:09,990
and it which has modded
everything. The whole thing is

2119
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:13,020
just a completely remake of of a
Chinese mic, which is these

2120
02:01:13,020 --> 02:01:16,920
monitors love to do. And so I
ran into this one guy who is a

2121
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:22,530
major major monitor, and he
likes to fix mics and do crazy

2122
02:01:22,530 --> 02:01:27,300
things. But he claims a lot of
things people do especially move

2123
02:01:27,300 --> 02:01:30,270
removing the capsule is just a
waste of time. You just want to

2124
02:01:30,270 --> 02:01:33,270
deal with the electronics. And
so I asked him specifically

2125
02:01:33,270 --> 02:01:37,560
Well, you do a lot of mods. What
is the best mic? Made in China?

2126
02:01:37,710 --> 02:01:40,950
Period? You didn't have any
idea? He said any name this mic.

2127
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:45,060
He says this is the best mic
he's ever seen coming out of

2128
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:48,630
China. It's an American company.
But it's Chinese mic

2129
02:01:48,810 --> 02:01:51,600
is no one in California. Cat
Cat. No

2130
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,320
cat is in the Midwest, I
believe. Okay. Something audio

2131
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:58,770
devices. And I think they're in
Indiana. I'm not I don't

2132
02:01:58,770 --> 02:02:02,280
remember. But the mic is Chinese
mic and it looks like a Chinese

2133
02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:06,210
mic. And, and it's as I we
listen to all these mics. And

2134
02:02:06,210 --> 02:02:09,270
you you do when you have to have
final approval on the mic. And

2135
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:12,300
you said that mic sounds
terrific. And so I've kept this

2136
02:02:12,300 --> 02:02:16,740
mic. And I've been using it with
this with a split screen. And

2137
02:02:17,070 --> 02:02:19,860
I'm very happy with the sound of
it. And it's a good mic. It's

2138
02:02:19,860 --> 02:02:24,180
got three it's got like, it's
got to figure eight pattern.

2139
02:02:24,180 --> 02:02:26,670
It's gotten capsules in front
and back. It's got a nice.

2140
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:30,240
Overall I think the build is
nice. And it was 200 bucks.

2141
02:02:30,330 --> 02:02:34,140
Nice. Well, here's the here's a
little thing. I'll just point

2142
02:02:34,140 --> 02:02:37,200
just show everyone how it works.
I'm big on noise gates, I

2143
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:41,340
believe if you can't afford the
NPR like studio, that which is

2144
02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:44,610
really dead. And I wrote an
article recently about the sound

2145
02:02:44,610 --> 02:02:48,150
is there's a whole philosophy
behind it. But yeah, so you need

2146
02:02:48,150 --> 02:02:51,750
to have a very fast acting noise
gate. So that when you're

2147
02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:53,730
talking, you can hear the brain
and when you're when I'm talking

2148
02:02:53,730 --> 02:02:55,830
when you're talking you can hear
there's ambient noise, you know,

2149
02:02:56,040 --> 02:02:59,310
especially if you have your
window open or the fan on or

2150
02:02:59,310 --> 02:03:02,700
anything like that. So I'll just
turn yours off right now and

2151
02:03:02,700 --> 02:03:07,200
return mine off. And you'll end
people who are listening to the

2152
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:10,470
show, and I even have a low
rumble coming from somewhere.

2153
02:03:10,830 --> 02:03:14,880
It's so different. You know this
we sculpt the sound to what we

2154
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:15,780
want it to be.

2155
02:03:17,850 --> 02:03:20,670
Yeah, curiously, Horowitz has a
noise gate that he uses when we

2156
02:03:20,670 --> 02:03:23,670
do his the Horowitz show. DHL
unplugged is that

2157
02:03:23,670 --> 02:03:24,300
recent.

2158
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:28,680
It's pretty recently he actually
took over he called,

2159
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,650
he called me and he said, I want
to set this up and I walked in

2160
02:03:31,650 --> 02:03:35,070
for like two hours. I walked him
through what he needed. And

2161
02:03:35,070 --> 02:03:39,000
those kinds of like, helping the
stewardess land the 747 in a way

2162
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:42,990
on the phone. Turn the noise
gates back on home. Yes. And,

2163
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:45,720
and I said, No, you want to
noise gate. Man, you really want

2164
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:51,480
this because it just enhances
the closeness and the personal

2165
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:55,800
nature of the sound. And I like
it when it's completely dead.

2166
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:58,320
And I love the fact that we have
silence from time we talked

2167
02:03:58,320 --> 02:03:58,950
about that. Um, yeah.

2168
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:01,050
Yeah, you harped on it. I

2169
02:04:01,050 --> 02:04:02,700
like it. I like it. Yeah, like
if people

2170
02:04:02,700 --> 02:04:06,780
did die. I actually liked the
dead room sound. I mean, I don't

2171
02:04:06,780 --> 02:04:08,700
mind that NPR sound.

2172
02:04:09,330 --> 02:04:12,420
But it's as good as a noise
gate. The NPR sound is is dead.

2173
02:04:12,809 --> 02:04:16,289
It's totally dead. And I know
how to do that sound. And we had

2174
02:04:16,289 --> 02:04:19,319
the cranky geek show. And it was
being produced in San Francisco.

2175
02:04:19,589 --> 02:04:22,979
We had the black because I
wanted to abyss. Look at this

2176
02:04:23,009 --> 02:04:26,879
look. I like on TV, because it's
cheap. And it works. And it's I

2177
02:04:26,879 --> 02:04:31,349
don't know why this not used
more than a busy set. So Charlie

2178
02:04:31,349 --> 02:04:35,339
Rose is the is the best user of
the Abyss, right? So you're in a

2179
02:04:35,339 --> 02:04:39,149
big black room. It's actually a
form of black velvet that you

2180
02:04:39,149 --> 02:04:42,299
can't the camera can pick up
where it is. It's like magicians

2181
02:04:42,299 --> 02:04:44,519
use it constantly. So you can't
figure out where the mirrors

2182
02:04:44,519 --> 02:04:46,709
are, where the rabbits coming
from and where the rabbit is

2183
02:04:46,709 --> 02:04:51,479
coming from. And it also deadens
the room and if it's in far

2184
02:04:51,479 --> 02:04:55,679
enough, so you can get a very
nice sound can use the cheapest

2185
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:57,539
microphone and you sound pretty
good.

2186
02:04:57,660 --> 02:05:01,170
What was interesting is when I
before I disclosed what had

2187
02:05:01,170 --> 02:05:05,130
happened with my personal life.
I was in this apartment, and I

2188
02:05:05,130 --> 02:05:07,080
didn't have any stuff. I had
nothing. I didn't have the

2189
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:11,040
moving blankets. And the number
of people said, Hey, what's

2190
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:13,830
going on? I hear something.
Something's different about the

2191
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:19,860
sound. Wow. You have a stick?
Stick notice that. Yeah.

2192
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:23,760
Well, anyway, go back to the
question, especially the list.

2193
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:27,450
cost of producing somebody
brought that up, and there was

2194
02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:30,030
no real answer. I mean, we do
have to pay for bandwidth now.

2195
02:05:30,030 --> 02:05:30,870
And it's not cheap.

2196
02:05:30,930 --> 02:05:35,640
And again, we have void zero.
Sort of 19 inch rack.

2197
02:05:35,730 --> 02:05:39,810
Yeah. And he doesn't do all the
heavy heavy lifting for he's the

2198
02:05:39,810 --> 02:05:42,240
sysop that super talented dude

2199
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:45,660
named Ben. Yeah, he runs the
infrastructure. Of course we do

2200
02:05:45,660 --> 02:05:48,420
have to pay for but he's come up
with this is a legacy from the

2201
02:05:48,450 --> 02:05:52,410
no agenda stream folks, Mr. Oil.
When they set all of that up,

2202
02:05:52,410 --> 02:05:54,930
they were thinking of starting a
business and that didn't really

2203
02:05:54,930 --> 02:06:00,300
pan out. But we were very happy
to assume what they had created.

2204
02:06:00,330 --> 02:06:03,660
And and Mark does that for us
out of love for the show. We

2205
02:06:03,660 --> 02:06:09,660
love him for it. And his, his
partner, Iris who when he was in

2206
02:06:09,660 --> 02:06:13,590
the hospital, she was running.
He'd given her instructions. She

2207
02:06:13,590 --> 02:06:15,630
was making sure everything was
working, make sure the stream

2208
02:06:15,630 --> 02:06:18,390
was up and changing stuff and
cool.

2209
02:06:19,710 --> 02:06:24,510
Now on my list here, I have an
anomaly that I spotted. I don't

2210
02:06:24,510 --> 02:06:27,750
know why I don't know that I
noticed this in 2006. But the

2211
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:33,540
2006 200.6 show i You said
something about how we promote

2212
02:06:33,540 --> 02:06:37,380
or something and and then you
said, I said something about why

2213
02:06:37,380 --> 02:06:41,100
tell people to go to the no
agenda wiki page. And then you

2214
02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:44,430
went kinda like why why you're
sending people to that.

2215
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:46,290
With that noise. Even I
remember,

2216
02:06:46,530 --> 02:06:49,860
it could have been, and I and it
was like I was befuddled by this

2217
02:06:49,860 --> 02:06:53,190
because it was it's always been
a good page. It has a rundown of

2218
02:06:53,190 --> 02:06:56,220
some of the basics of the show.
And one time when they edited it

2219
02:06:56,220 --> 02:06:59,190
down to next to nothing. I
bitched and somebody put it all

2220
02:06:59,190 --> 02:07:02,280
the good stuff back up there,
right as meaning of the jingles

2221
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:06,510
and the rest. But I was kind of
befuddled by your response to

2222
02:07:06,510 --> 02:07:10,560
that. And then then you I think
it was because that was the era

2223
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:13,950
when you were irked about
somebody messing with your your

2224
02:07:14,190 --> 02:07:16,560
personal homepage or something
that had nothing to do with

2225
02:07:16,650 --> 02:07:18,900
anything I was talking about.
Remember that?

2226
02:07:18,929 --> 02:07:23,729
Yeah. I also remember that,
luckily, they put our height on

2227
02:07:23,729 --> 02:07:24,629
the wiki page.

2228
02:07:25,110 --> 02:07:26,730
Yeah, you were talking about
that? I don't know if that's

2229
02:07:26,730 --> 02:07:30,330
still up. I know it's humorous
height. He was like, I don't

2230
02:07:30,330 --> 02:07:34,650
know, four feet and 500 inches
or some five foot 17. Yeah,

2231
02:07:35,100 --> 02:07:37,410
I don't know, I like, I just
want people to listen to our

2232
02:07:37,410 --> 02:07:41,610
show. And as witnessed by our
great websites, we really don't

2233
02:07:41,610 --> 02:07:46,050
care much other than get the
show. And if you want to go to

2234
02:07:46,050 --> 02:07:49,050
the show notes, they're detailed
and you can get to them. Then

2235
02:07:49,050 --> 02:07:51,810
they're indexed and they just
like it, we'd still be typing no

2236
02:07:51,810 --> 02:07:55,410
agenda into a search engine. You
the first couple of pages are

2237
02:07:55,500 --> 02:07:57,660
seven, seven now. That's great.

2238
02:07:57,810 --> 02:08:00,450
Ben seven for a while. Right.
And there's somebody everyone's

2239
02:08:00,450 --> 02:08:03,060
wants something sneaks in. It's
always galling when you see

2240
02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:03,510
that. So

2241
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:06,840
it's been a while since I've
searched for our

2242
02:08:07,410 --> 02:08:11,070
Manny Pacquiao says he has no
agenda and a fight you know, so.

2243
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:14,100
Okay. All right. I gotcha. I
gotcha. Yeah, that kind of

2244
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:18,300
thing. I don't really have
anything. I do have a couple of

2245
02:08:18,300 --> 02:08:22,020
questions myself. Do you still
use that sound byte software?

2246
02:08:22,050 --> 02:08:26,760
I do? Yes, I do. So it runs on
my original iPad, one Wi Fi

2247
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:31,530
only. And you run a little
program on the computer. But one

2248
02:08:31,530 --> 02:08:34,800
of these days I will publish the
whole setup. It's just I want to

2249
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:35,580
do it. But you've been

2250
02:08:35,580 --> 02:08:38,640
saying that for years, because I
need someone's vinegar book.

2251
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:39,540
I'll put it over here.

2252
02:08:40,980 --> 02:08:43,980
Okay, yeah, we'll see who
releases it. First you the

2253
02:08:43,980 --> 02:08:48,450
vinegar book or the the sound
setup. But it's really it's nice

2254
02:08:48,450 --> 02:08:53,610
to have a number of go to things
and let's see 12345123 There's

2255
02:08:53,610 --> 02:08:58,710
50 clips that we use regularly,
which includes for instance, the

2256
02:08:59,970 --> 02:09:02,160
this may be for some people
interesting, so we do the

2257
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:06,840
birthday song. So that's, that's
pretty much one bed and it goes

2258
02:09:06,840 --> 02:09:10,140
on and on and on. And then when
it's time for me to end that I

2259
02:09:10,140 --> 02:09:14,190
start the second one, and then I
just stopped the first one. So

2260
02:09:14,220 --> 02:09:16,740
you can make it as long as you
want. I'm not really that

2261
02:09:16,740 --> 02:09:20,310
talented. I can fit everything
into these pre produced beds.

2262
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:24,540
This is a stunning thing. And
then I do time this to say no,

2263
02:09:24,540 --> 02:09:29,790
this is episode 736. This is no
agenda and then that ends. And

2264
02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:32,820
then there's a second one that I
start here, which is this. And

2265
02:09:32,820 --> 02:09:35,190
that just goes on and then you
come in and whenever you're done

2266
02:09:35,190 --> 02:09:40,830
you say I'm John C. Dvorak. Then
I hit raglan. Buzzkill. So

2267
02:09:40,830 --> 02:09:41,220
that's all

2268
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:45,450
second pro was an extension of
the first. That's interesting.

2269
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:46,650
So I didn't know that it's
funny.

2270
02:09:47,850 --> 02:09:49,080
Things you don't need to know.

2271
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:51,300
I don't need to know and I don't
don't want

2272
02:09:51,300 --> 02:09:53,940
to know what other questions
that you

2273
02:09:53,940 --> 02:09:57,750
had. Well, now that we're here
in this segment segment before

2274
02:09:57,750 --> 02:10:01,050
we go back to the show, I think
you should playset one of the

2275
02:10:01,050 --> 02:10:03,930
things that we've done only
recently but Adam, I've

2276
02:10:03,930 --> 02:10:06,480
encouraged him to do these
medley of clips at the end of

2277
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:10,380
the show. So as it makes the
show kind of you know, it's like

2278
02:10:10,380 --> 02:10:13,680
the desert the way I see it, and
people you know, they give you

2279
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:15,540
the list of the whole show they
might as well get a kick out of

2280
02:10:15,540 --> 02:10:19,260
some of the clips. Why don't you
play as like about it just play

2281
02:10:19,260 --> 02:10:22,560
us a shot and not long ones but
shot of all the short clips you

2282
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:26,310
can you can quickly get to say
you got your little push button

2283
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:26,970
device there.

2284
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:27,780
Yeah, but those

2285
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:30,480
you mean short clips or the
longer clips or the short ones.

2286
02:10:30,510 --> 02:10:34,230
Okay? Just I want you to just
rundowns on what's right on the

2287
02:10:34,230 --> 02:10:35,250
thing right there go

2288
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:40,050
Okay, here we go. That's the
news flash sound effects we have

2289
02:10:40,050 --> 02:10:42,630
the this of course when we
always tell people to go out and

2290
02:10:42,630 --> 02:10:46,020
hit people in the mouth, which
is also two clips formula is

2291
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:46,290
this

2292
02:10:46,620 --> 02:10:50,490
one we go out we had people in
the mountain and the second part

2293
02:10:50,490 --> 02:10:56,970
of that clip is this one was the
New World Order stuff and then I

2294
02:10:56,970 --> 02:10:57,960
might add this in

2295
02:11:00,330 --> 02:11:05,070
that's all separate Hey citizen
we have the I have a ding Do you

2296
02:11:05,070 --> 02:11:08,790
have a bell? I have a digital
Bell see my bell is is this and

2297
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:11,040
then we have our phone call
whenever we do a little phone

2298
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:30,810
call did we have that we have
this one your favorite by iron

2299
02:11:30,810 --> 02:11:34,200
Rand. And then we have the to to
the head. Of course we have

2300
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:39,690
this. That's one mother. I liked
that I have three science clips.

2301
02:11:39,690 --> 02:11:47,730
So the longer one is the
sciences we have the science

2302
02:11:47,730 --> 02:11:54,390
Isodyne. Or we have the
sciences. And then of course we

2303
02:11:54,390 --> 02:12:02,340
have our standard. Got the
Spanish, Chinese, French,

2304
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:08,760
German. We got of course. A new
entry. Hey, man, first of all,

2305
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:17,790
of course. Not to forget. We
have been de Deus. And of course

2306
02:12:17,790 --> 02:12:21,840
we have the karma jingle there
as well. You've got karma. And

2307
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:25,890
then there's a few small ones
like, what do we have? We have

2308
02:12:25,890 --> 02:12:30,840
this one. Take that to the bank.
You got that? Not often used but

2309
02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:33,210
when used it's always it's
always appropriate

2310
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:34,980
John Cena for x.

2311
02:12:36,750 --> 02:12:38,190
And that's probably about half
of them.

2312
02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:44,070
Who did the deed douching one
have no idea. We have to We

2313
02:12:44,070 --> 02:12:48,300
should give her cry her him as a
gauge. Obviously, with female

2314
02:12:48,300 --> 02:12:51,900
voice. She may have produced it
or somebody else made it

2315
02:12:51,900 --> 02:12:55,200
producer we need to give whoever
it is credit someday because I

2316
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:58,200
forgot who that was. And when it
came in, I really want many of

2317
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:00,330
these things we should and we've
talked about this, I think in

2318
02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:04,980
2014, but not emphasized it.
Most of the show's direction has

2319
02:13:04,980 --> 02:13:09,930
been from the producer listener,
they have pushed the show in a

2320
02:13:09,930 --> 02:13:12,630
certain direction, the douchebag
thing we never called anybody

2321
02:13:12,630 --> 02:13:15,240
and no spat. No, no, they call
each other douchebag. And then

2322
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:19,350
somebody came up with the damn
jingle. Yeah. And and then the

2323
02:13:19,350 --> 02:13:22,440
day douching jingle came after
that we had nothing that was not

2324
02:13:22,440 --> 02:13:26,130
an invention by us most of the
stuff. I mean, we invented the

2325
02:13:26,130 --> 02:13:30,030
producer ship idea. The club now
coming up in the night was a

2326
02:13:30,030 --> 02:13:34,680
these are but this is kind of
meta this day, this way the show

2327
02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:41,280
flows is largely promulgated, or
I would say or pushed along by

2328
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:46,230
the people who listen to the
show and produce it and come up

2329
02:13:46,230 --> 02:13:48,090
with stuff. They come up with
all kinds of things,

2330
02:13:48,570 --> 02:13:51,420
and good things. And there's a
lot of stuff that isn't all that

2331
02:13:51,420 --> 02:13:54,000
well, I want to say when we do
our final segment, I have a

2332
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:56,790
couple of things about how you
can best interact with us and

2333
02:13:56,790 --> 02:14:00,150
how you can help us when you
want to win as a producer. If

2334
02:14:00,150 --> 02:14:02,280
you want to add something,
obviously not just the financial

2335
02:14:02,280 --> 02:14:05,070
part. But there are some things
it would be very helpful for me

2336
02:14:05,070 --> 02:14:09,240
certainly, I'm trying to find
this one producer who has made a

2337
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:14,730
who's done a lot of these
jingles and this is the problem.

2338
02:14:15,060 --> 02:14:18,390
Well, I will mention here since
it needs to be mentioned. I

2339
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:21,480
think it was really mentioned
that much in 2000 to two I know

2340
02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:26,970
I keep saying 2,002.5 or six
that we'd still need donations

2341
02:14:26,970 --> 02:14:29,100
even though we're doing the show
so if you go to na

2342
02:14:29,130 --> 02:14:33,510
devore.org/and A Yeah, I think
it would be appreciated. We will

2343
02:14:33,510 --> 02:14:37,320
have people who have given
producer and executive producer

2344
02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:41,730
amounts to the shows mentioned
when we were done on our little

2345
02:14:42,090 --> 02:14:43,350
vacation moment.

2346
02:14:43,500 --> 02:14:46,050
There's of course one jingle I
didn't play which is also on the

2347
02:14:46,050 --> 02:14:46,800
soundboard

2348
02:14:46,890 --> 02:14:50,130
devora.org/n

2349
02:14:50,190 --> 02:14:51,960
A also don't know who made that.

2350
02:14:52,500 --> 02:14:56,040
And let's go back to show 200.5

2351
02:14:58,860 --> 02:15:01,710
A couple of questions from Are
Troy Walters I just want to go

2352
02:15:01,710 --> 02:15:05,400
down the list make sure we
didn't miss anything. How did

2353
02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:07,650
you come up with promotions like
the knighthoods

2354
02:15:08,849 --> 02:15:11,699
and although the knighthood
thing by the way, I will take

2355
02:15:11,699 --> 02:15:15,029
credit for that and I'll tell
you why. I although I think we

2356
02:15:15,029 --> 02:15:17,309
discussed and I think you're the
one that probably pushed the

2357
02:15:17,309 --> 02:15:18,209
idea I could

2358
02:15:18,210 --> 02:15:20,730
probably probably the name of a
knighthood is probably what is

2359
02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:22,020
my contribution?

2360
02:15:22,199 --> 02:15:25,019
Well the knighthood thing and
one of the one day and I've said

2361
02:15:25,019 --> 02:15:26,999
this, I've done this with
everybody who knows me will have

2362
02:15:26,999 --> 02:15:28,949
heard this probably at one time
or another. And I know I took

2363
02:15:28,949 --> 02:15:32,459
random paths to Adam, every time
some American I think it's

2364
02:15:32,459 --> 02:15:34,589
supposed to be illegal to
receive a knighthood from the

2365
02:15:34,589 --> 02:15:37,949
Queen, but they do. Anyway,
every time somebody said, Why is

2366
02:15:37,949 --> 02:15:40,949
what's the query? What's so
special about England? That

2367
02:15:40,949 --> 02:15:44,729
they're granting? knighthoods?
Why don't we grant knighthoods,

2368
02:15:44,729 --> 02:15:47,879
right? Why can't we just grant
and what can anybody work at

2369
02:15:47,879 --> 02:15:50,309
Ford Motor Company? Grant
knighthoods what there is

2370
02:15:52,290 --> 02:15:55,110
that's good, so So ours are just
as good as the Queen's

2371
02:15:55,140 --> 02:15:58,080
I think so. And I think we have
a better group, that's for sure

2372
02:15:58,080 --> 02:16:01,500
that nights that have been on
our list or they're fantastic

2373
02:16:01,500 --> 02:16:02,610
people, every one of them,

2374
02:16:02,730 --> 02:16:09,540
I have a plan by the way of
making a night iPhone app. That

2375
02:16:09,630 --> 02:16:14,010
will only be for nights. And
it'll be limited for a number of

2376
02:16:14,010 --> 02:16:19,170
reasons, but only be for nights.
And, and it'll be like our, our

2377
02:16:19,170 --> 02:16:23,220
communication model, like a
network a night network. Now,

2378
02:16:23,220 --> 02:16:25,860
that's a good idea. Yeah, I
think it'd be kind of fun. And

2379
02:16:25,860 --> 02:16:28,380
we'd like a bad signal. I still
want a bad signal. We're going

2380
02:16:28,380 --> 02:16:29,460
to need it one of these days.

2381
02:16:29,610 --> 02:16:32,970
We've got a lot of professional
people in the knighthoods. We

2382
02:16:32,970 --> 02:16:34,470
don't have a doctor, we have a
dentist,

2383
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:37,949
do we have a lawyer? Oh, you
know, we need a lawyer. That's

2384
02:16:37,949 --> 02:16:39,629
what you need. Right? You need a
lawyer?

2385
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:42,060
Or we need a butcher?

2386
02:16:42,539 --> 02:16:50,729
Yes, hell yeah. A farmer? Farm?
What drives the new promotions?

2387
02:16:52,529 --> 02:16:54,989
That's a good question. Depends
on how you interpreted Of

2388
02:16:54,989 --> 02:17:00,779
course. And I will say, all the
emails, promotion ideas, John

2389
02:17:00,779 --> 02:17:03,989
does all of that I do the
production of the show, John

2390
02:17:03,989 --> 02:17:05,039
does all of that stuff.

2391
02:17:05,940 --> 02:17:09,840
Yeah, I haven't a marketing guy.
But mainly because I've always

2392
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:13,470
admired certain forms of
marketing that are very rarely

2393
02:17:13,470 --> 02:17:17,550
executed by the general public.
And by that I mean, or by

2394
02:17:17,550 --> 02:17:20,850
General companies, or little
operations like ours. And by

2395
02:17:20,850 --> 02:17:27,540
that, I mean PBS, and, and
religion, churches, it because

2396
02:17:27,540 --> 02:17:31,650
the model is so interesting that
you get people that like you so

2397
02:17:31,650 --> 02:17:34,320
much, because you're doing
something for them. And that's

2398
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,650
what PBS and churches are
perceived as doing. They one's

2399
02:17:37,650 --> 02:17:40,110
giving you you're helping you're
spiritually and the other ones

2400
02:17:40,170 --> 02:17:47,100
educating you out of mainstream
media supposedly, and, and I

2401
02:17:47,130 --> 02:17:50,130
their model for getting money.
And by the way, I have a

2402
02:17:50,130 --> 02:17:54,300
background in public radio, I
had a couple of shows two

2403
02:17:54,300 --> 02:17:57,570
different shows, that were on
public radio for over almost 10

2404
02:17:57,570 --> 02:18:02,250
years, about computers. And I
saw the mechanism, how it works

2405
02:18:02,250 --> 02:18:05,700
and how much money they get, and
all the rest of it. And I always

2406
02:18:05,700 --> 02:18:08,700
said, you know why, you know,
why does it just have to be

2407
02:18:08,700 --> 02:18:11,610
those two groups? And then of
course, the publishing, you

2408
02:18:11,610 --> 02:18:14,790
know, the the direct payment for
a novel is a different kind of a

2409
02:18:14,790 --> 02:18:17,670
thing? Why are these the only
two groups that are using this

2410
02:18:17,670 --> 02:18:21,090
model? A? And does anyone notice
that they're actually pretty

2411
02:18:21,090 --> 02:18:24,360
successful with this model?
Thank you. There's some churches

2412
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:27,270
out there that have, you know,
not counting the mega churches,

2413
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:31,320
but but decent sized churches
with maybe 2000 to 3000

2414
02:18:31,350 --> 02:18:34,950
parishioners, and they got the
guy with a Cadillac and a big

2415
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:38,100
house, and they got plenty of
money. And it's only like 2000

2416
02:18:38,100 --> 02:18:41,820
people that are supporting this
entire parish. And it's like,

2417
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:45,000
does anybody notice that this
looks like, you know, these

2418
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:47,940
courts to tax free thing doesn't
hurt the guy. But it's like,

2419
02:18:47,970 --> 02:18:51,120
obvious it's a model that works
and people don't mind the model.

2420
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:54,420
I mean, we're not getting
knighthood, donations, because

2421
02:18:54,420 --> 02:18:59,370
people think this is a dumb
idea. Well, anyway, so I do the

2422
02:18:59,370 --> 02:19:02,910
promotions, I, I come up with
them. You know, every once in a

2423
02:19:02,910 --> 02:19:06,780
while, we one comes forward and
say well, here's an idea we this

2424
02:19:06,780 --> 02:19:10,380
is this people would like so you
know, it's kind of like selling

2425
02:19:10,380 --> 02:19:14,730
the dream kind of thing. I'm not
sure that I used to be in direct

2426
02:19:14,730 --> 02:19:15,810
marketing. And I say

2427
02:19:15,810 --> 02:19:18,210
that, you know, when people ask
me about this, I say looking and

2428
02:19:18,210 --> 02:19:21,540
we have a church and our
religion is the truth or as

2429
02:19:21,540 --> 02:19:22,710
close as we can get to it.

2430
02:19:23,039 --> 02:19:26,399
There's that element. I think we
you know, we seem to offend a

2431
02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:29,159
few people if we go over the the
off the deep end with the church

2432
02:19:29,159 --> 02:19:31,259
angle, but the fact of the
matter is we do the thing on

2433
02:19:31,259 --> 02:19:34,769
Sunday morning, and I'm sure a
lot of people don't go to church

2434
02:19:34,769 --> 02:19:39,899
and listen to us instead. Or
football. It'd be interesting to

2435
02:19:39,899 --> 02:19:43,679
see what since we're in Full
Tilt here trying to maximize our

2436
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:47,759
incomes. It'll be interesting to
see what the drop off is on

2437
02:19:47,819 --> 02:19:50,999
listenership and the live stream
during the football season. Oh,

2438
02:19:50,999 --> 02:19:51,539
interesting.

2439
02:19:51,540 --> 02:19:53,490
Yeah, well, that well and by the
way, we do look

2440
02:19:53,490 --> 02:19:56,460
at that, that we look at all the
numbers we keep track of stuff.

2441
02:19:56,460 --> 02:20:01,410
Eric likes to dream up weird
reports and Uh, we look at them

2442
02:20:01,410 --> 02:20:04,500
and we know where we're headed
and we're doing fine. We're not

2443
02:20:04,530 --> 02:20:07,860
doing well enough that we can
quit and do this full time. And,

2444
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:11,010
and you know, that's which is
okay being in a struggling

2445
02:20:11,010 --> 02:20:16,080
situation is not a bad thing.
And the show I think, is sound.

2446
02:20:16,770 --> 02:20:17,670
If I can say is it

2447
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:21,810
harder to be excited for the
next show if donations are down

2448
02:20:21,810 --> 02:20:22,980
on the previous show?

2449
02:20:23,340 --> 02:20:24,390
It is for Adam.

2450
02:20:25,560 --> 02:20:29,190
That's not true. It's not like
I'm less excited. Who said so

2451
02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:33,060
once? No. And then you
misinterpreted what I said, what

2452
02:20:33,060 --> 02:20:36,450
I what I meant was, first of
all, it bums me out because I

2453
02:20:36,450 --> 02:20:39,810
take that as a, as a direct
result of the program of the

2454
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:43,530
product that we produced. It
bums me out. Yeah, it bums me

2455
02:20:43,530 --> 02:20:46,740
out. Does it make me less
excited? No, it motivates me. It

2456
02:20:46,740 --> 02:20:52,500
gets me motivated to do a better
show that we've deconstructed.

2457
02:20:52,500 --> 02:20:55,320
And John, by the way, you got to
know this. He's like, like the

2458
02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:59,250
horrible uncle you never wanted.
He'll send you notes like, well,

2459
02:20:59,250 --> 02:21:02,160
that thing you did that made
donations dropped through the

2460
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:05,970
floor as horrible. And I know,
and it took me like two months

2461
02:21:05,970 --> 02:21:09,030
to figure out that this is just
writing that just to piss me

2462
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:09,450
off.

2463
02:21:09,720 --> 02:21:13,050
No, I was writing it for a good
reason. Because I believed it to

2464
02:21:13,050 --> 02:21:13,800
be true.

2465
02:21:15,690 --> 02:21:20,070
It's the way you write it is
like the way email, grandpa.

2466
02:21:20,220 --> 02:21:22,320
Yeah, sorry. Don't be such a
dick.

2467
02:21:22,410 --> 02:21:24,960
I suppose I should put a bunch
of smiley faces and that would

2468
02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:25,950
make you happy.

2469
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:31,470
Yeah. Good. This is what I love
about you. What is the single

2470
02:21:31,470 --> 02:21:34,290
most enjoyable element of the
show for each of you?

2471
02:21:36,300 --> 02:21:38,850
Hmm, that's a great question.
And I don't like saying the term

2472
02:21:38,850 --> 02:21:43,380
a great question. But it's a
thoughtful question makes you

2473
02:21:43,380 --> 02:21:46,170
think what do we like to think
when the show ends?

2474
02:21:48,930 --> 02:21:51,120
I think ours.

2475
02:21:51,810 --> 02:21:54,630
First of all, there is no
element in the show. I think

2476
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:57,960
that's that's that we have no
fixed elements. That's true. The

2477
02:21:57,960 --> 02:22:00,150
only thing that's fixed is
donations.

2478
02:22:01,710 --> 02:22:04,740
And we do that about an hour and
45 minutes to an hour. Yeah. So

2479
02:22:04,740 --> 02:22:07,260
we've talked about that. Because
we noticed the donations fall

2480
02:22:07,260 --> 02:22:10,320
off if we push that thing off to
near the end, because a lot of

2481
02:22:10,320 --> 02:22:12,960
people to be honest about do not
listen to the entire show.

2482
02:22:12,990 --> 02:22:16,020
Yeah, I agree. I agree. I get a
lot of emails from people. I'm

2483
02:22:16,020 --> 02:22:19,140
like, can we just we just did
that two weeks ago? Like how can

2484
02:22:19,140 --> 02:22:21,330
you send me this email? And
yeah, I agree. A lot of people

2485
02:22:21,330 --> 02:22:23,520
don't get through the whole
show. Which by the way, it's

2486
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:28,260
okay. It's okay. And for people
who listen to who'd like oh,

2487
02:22:28,260 --> 02:22:32,010
that was this. This is what I
love this fast forward, you can

2488
02:22:32,010 --> 02:22:34,830
fast forward through something
you think is boring. I guarantee

2489
02:22:34,830 --> 02:22:43,710
you'll be backing up. I think so
too. For me. Wow, this is gonna

2490
02:22:43,710 --> 02:22:47,640
sound kind of weird. most
enjoyable, personally enjoyable.

2491
02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:52,350
I like it when I have either an
article or a clip. And I get

2492
02:22:52,650 --> 02:22:53,640
praise from you.

2493
02:22:54,540 --> 02:22:58,290
Yeah, I'll do that because I
actually keep a running score.

2494
02:22:58,620 --> 02:23:01,140
But it's just for me, but you I
know you're paying attention to

2495
02:23:01,140 --> 02:23:06,540
it. And I'll and I'll score a
goal for you when you hit one

2496
02:23:06,540 --> 02:23:10,320
that is like completely catches
me flat footed. I got nothing on

2497
02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:13,050
it. I got maybe my take is even
wrong, because your take is

2498
02:23:13,050 --> 02:23:17,160
better. And it's and it's
interesting. And so you get I

2499
02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:20,310
saw I'll give you a Kudo right
on the spot. And it's very

2500
02:23:20,310 --> 02:23:24,300
insincere, by the way and you
usually only do it when I know I

2501
02:23:24,300 --> 02:23:26,910
can't top you. You can actually
come up with something that's

2502
02:23:26,910 --> 02:23:29,790
better than that, where you got
the kudos something really

2503
02:23:29,790 --> 02:23:34,470
stunning, but I know I've got a
tougher. Yeah. And so I won't

2504
02:23:34,470 --> 02:23:35,490
give you the kudos. And

2505
02:23:35,790 --> 02:23:38,400
so that's kind of interesting.
Do we have a weird father son

2506
02:23:38,400 --> 02:23:39,540
relationship? No, no,

2507
02:23:39,810 --> 02:23:41,880
no, it says a teammate
relationship where you're trying

2508
02:23:41,880 --> 02:23:45,540
to compete for that position of
dominance. Okay. Yeah. I think

2509
02:23:45,540 --> 02:23:48,720
as a team, it's a team
orientation where the two guys

2510
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:51,900
are working to to win, but you
know, but you want to be the guy

2511
02:23:51,900 --> 02:23:55,110
that, hey, if you score the
goal, yeah, you scored the goal.

2512
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:57,090
Okay, you scored the goal. Next
time, I'll score the goal, you

2513
02:23:57,090 --> 02:23:57,810
prick. Yeah.

2514
02:23:58,680 --> 02:23:59,850
That's a good analysis.

2515
02:24:00,120 --> 02:24:03,150
So Father is something doesn't
work that way. Because father

2516
02:24:03,150 --> 02:24:06,300
and son would be it's be more
patronizing and not patronizing.

2517
02:24:06,300 --> 02:24:07,620
I'm straightforward. That's

2518
02:24:07,620 --> 02:24:08,550
true. That's true.

2519
02:24:09,210 --> 02:24:11,730
I'll give you that. I know how
much you'd like that to be the

2520
02:24:11,730 --> 02:24:17,400
case. No, not gonna happen. I
don't think so. I got a little

2521
02:24:17,400 --> 02:24:24,060
thing here a little aside. I had
Eric run the numbers on which

2522
02:24:24,060 --> 02:24:28,110
country listens to us and where
we get most of our support from?

2523
02:24:28,140 --> 02:24:29,880
That's actually that is a
question so

2524
02:24:30,540 --> 02:24:33,600
and here's the answer. What
Okay, now I'm gonna I'm gonna do

2525
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:36,210
it too, because I have the
numbers and you don't so this is

2526
02:24:36,210 --> 02:24:38,970
my rare opportunity to make you
do what we do on the show quite

2527
02:24:38,970 --> 02:24:42,300
a bit which is make one the
other person guests knowing full

2528
02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:44,670
well that they'll never guessed
it correctly. And it's just kind

2529
02:24:44,670 --> 02:24:47,520
of a stalling tactic. But guess
who's number one?

2530
02:24:47,700 --> 02:24:51,750
Now is this in total amount of
donation, this will be both

2531
02:24:51,750 --> 02:24:55,020
donors in the amount, but it's
gonna go by the total amount,

2532
02:24:55,020 --> 02:24:58,260
but it's this but turns out the
numbers match pretty well with

2533
02:24:58,260 --> 02:25:03,060
the One Two One pretty much with
the donors versus and totals

2534
02:25:03,090 --> 02:25:07,740
I will say that the Netherlands
is very high on the list. Who's

2535
02:25:07,740 --> 02:25:16,140
number one? Oh, please. Well,
number one's got to be America,

2536
02:25:16,290 --> 02:25:17,010
of course

2537
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:21,150
by a factor of nine. Yeah. All
right. So now it gets

2538
02:25:21,150 --> 02:25:26,670
interesting. Number two, and I
before you answer I'm going to

2539
02:25:26,670 --> 02:25:28,440
tell you right now you're not
going to get it.

2540
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:30,120
Australia.

2541
02:25:30,570 --> 02:25:31,860
Oh, geez, you got it.

2542
02:25:32,490 --> 02:25:37,470
suits the scars. Oh, no, I know.
I knew I knew Australia had to

2543
02:25:37,470 --> 02:25:39,240
be really high. Oh, I

2544
02:25:39,240 --> 02:25:41,370
shouldn't have given you the
tea's No, no, I

2545
02:25:41,370 --> 02:25:47,010
knew it. I knew this because I
mean, we've had I tried I tried

2546
02:25:47,010 --> 02:25:51,090
to kind of in my head I'm like,
Man, I get stories. The Aussies

2547
02:25:51,090 --> 02:25:56,040
are. They're really into us and
you but don't mess with them.

2548
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:59,670
Man. These guys will mess you
up. And they don't like what's

2549
02:25:59,670 --> 02:26:04,230
going on and I can almost guess
you know by which country is is

2550
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:08,910
the most oppressed? So of course
America wins. And then Australia

2551
02:26:08,910 --> 02:26:12,180
and I think the Netherlands has
got to be third or fourth on the

2552
02:26:12,180 --> 02:26:12,660
list

2553
02:26:12,720 --> 02:26:16,380
for now actually, Netherlands
actually comes in six it goes

2554
02:26:16,380 --> 02:26:19,650
like this United States
Australia Canada Canada, right

2555
02:26:19,650 --> 02:26:22,980
yeah, I forgot United Kingdom
and Netherlands UK as well. Of

2556
02:26:22,980 --> 02:26:23,730
course. Yeah.

2557
02:26:24,030 --> 02:26:24,300
Yeah.

2558
02:26:25,020 --> 02:26:26,760
I actually thought that
Netherlands would come in a

2559
02:26:26,760 --> 02:26:32,820
little higher but no. And the
guys who the reason is because

2560
02:26:32,820 --> 02:26:35,790
the Netherlands The guys who do
contribute to the show from from

2561
02:26:35,790 --> 02:26:42,690
Belgium are very they're they're
aggressive. Right? Pels, mockers

2562
02:26:42,690 --> 02:26:45,930
oh he's in Belgium Belgium Yeah,
yeah, well Belgian comes in they

2563
02:26:45,930 --> 02:26:49,770
did it comes Germany, Belgium,
Norway, Sweden, Finland,

2564
02:26:49,800 --> 02:26:57,840
Switzerland. Mexico and then we
have an anomaly with Japan which

2565
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:00,120
has very few people listening
but they give a lot of money and

2566
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:02,850
same with Hong Kong that's where
all the money is. Then we got

2567
02:27:02,850 --> 02:27:07,200
Spain Italy France Denmark is
actually hire but they don't

2568
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:09,240
give any money. They're like
they're

2569
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:10,830
cheap. Cheap

2570
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:13,830
damn Danes,

2571
02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:18,870
the Danish or girl but she cheap
and then polish Poland which is

2572
02:27:18,870 --> 02:27:21,630
like that doesn't count they
don't use this the the non

2573
02:27:21,630 --> 02:27:23,370
English speaking countries it
doesn't bother me.

2574
02:27:23,730 --> 02:27:27,060
Very interesting for the amount
of that's really interesting.

2575
02:27:27,420 --> 02:27:30,720
For the amount of time we spend
on or have spent on stories

2576
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:34,230
about Poland. They're way down
on the list. Oh, they're way

2577
02:27:34,230 --> 02:27:37,470
down the amount of time we spend
on the UK and Australia that's

2578
02:27:37,470 --> 02:27:41,100
about right. Yeah, so and and
Canada we probably should do

2579
02:27:41,100 --> 02:27:42,210
more on Canada.

2580
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:44,520
Yeah, the Canadians are
completely starting to complain

2581
02:27:44,520 --> 02:27:47,340
about it. And they're why and
you know, it's easy enough to do

2582
02:27:47,340 --> 02:27:50,040
I mean it's kind of hard to beat
this hour has 22 minutes or

2583
02:27:50,040 --> 02:27:53,580
whatever the name of the show is
that nails and constantly we got

2584
02:27:53,580 --> 02:27:56,670
some support in Singapore I mean
almost every country's is

2585
02:27:56,670 --> 02:28:00,900
Estonia, Dominican Republic,
Malaysia, Qatar Israel one

2586
02:28:00,930 --> 02:28:04,830
person which is that actually is
the one that really surprises me

2587
02:28:04,830 --> 02:28:08,310
the most that we'd have one
listener in Israel you may be

2588
02:28:08,310 --> 02:28:14,100
blocked there for all I know
could be could and Portugal with

2589
02:28:14,100 --> 02:28:18,960
me got much. You didn't get have
more from Brazil, since I'm a

2590
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:22,080
writer. They're fairly well
known. But it's again, it's in

2591
02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:23,040
translation.

2592
02:28:24,090 --> 02:28:26,130
They may be writing all kinds of
crap. You don't know what

2593
02:28:26,130 --> 02:28:27,240
they're translating it to

2594
02:28:27,450 --> 02:28:29,850
know the I know what they're
trying to say. I've had a lot of

2595
02:28:29,850 --> 02:28:32,430
people I know a lot of
Brazilians. And they one guy

2596
02:28:32,730 --> 02:28:36,060
said to me, once I know the
translator, he's a great guy.

2597
02:28:36,060 --> 02:28:40,320
I've sat down with him and
PowerPoint, like in 10 minutes.

2598
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:42,090
The guy's fantastic. Let me

2599
02:28:43,230 --> 02:28:49,350
what was the PA? Oh, here's one
that I can't answer. What are

2600
02:28:49,350 --> 02:28:52,650
the current subscriber numbers?
So first of all, subscriber

2601
02:28:52,650 --> 02:28:55,170
numbers, since the word
subscriber is a misnomer?

2602
02:28:55,530 --> 02:29:00,690
Because we really don't know how
many people listen to the show

2603
02:29:00,690 --> 02:29:04,140
by downloading. We absolutely
just don't know that. John, how

2604
02:29:04,140 --> 02:29:06,570
often and by the way, I don't
think anyone knows in

2605
02:29:06,570 --> 02:29:10,170
podcasting, what their actual
real numbers are. There is so

2606
02:29:10,170 --> 02:29:13,320
much smoke, about numbers,

2607
02:29:13,529 --> 02:29:21,419
you'd have to guess. And would
you guess? Well, based on normal

2608
02:29:21,419 --> 02:29:28,889
direct marketing returns and the
kind of money we get. It's hard

2609
02:29:28,889 --> 02:29:33,179
to say I mean, it could be
anywhere from 50,000 to 400,000.

2610
02:29:33,209 --> 02:29:33,989
Yeah, that's

2611
02:29:33,990 --> 02:29:38,160
about the same range. And it's
impossible to tell from the

2612
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:43,140
downloads. And you know, the
proxies. And of course, I'm sure

2613
02:29:43,140 --> 02:29:47,370
there's a small percentage that
is maybe not downloading at all,

2614
02:29:47,640 --> 02:29:51,630
listening only to the stream.
There's people getting a bit

2615
02:29:51,630 --> 02:29:52,440
torrent

2616
02:29:54,060 --> 02:29:56,610
because we only had you know, in
terms of pure subscribers that

2617
02:29:56,610 --> 02:30:00,780
are paying the $5 we only have
about 1500 of those people. We

2618
02:30:00,780 --> 02:30:05,910
have not pushed very, very hard
to do the $5 thing. Some people

2619
02:30:05,910 --> 02:30:08,340
have done the 30. Some people
say, I'm not going to do it till

2620
02:30:08,340 --> 02:30:12,030
you make it 10. And I haven't
put that up. So I mean, that's,

2621
02:30:12,060 --> 02:30:14,130
you know, and then they every
time they change their credit

2622
02:30:14,130 --> 02:30:16,890
card or some number, they get
bounced by Pay Pal. So they

2623
02:30:16,890 --> 02:30:19,320
don't have the subscription
anymore. I get letters saying,

2624
02:30:19,320 --> 02:30:21,930
Well, I sorry, but I didn't
realize I haven't had a

2625
02:30:21,930 --> 02:30:25,290
subscription for six months
because Pay Pal bounced it. And

2626
02:30:25,290 --> 02:30:29,280
I gotta re subscribe. Sorry, you
know, they apologize. And some

2627
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,980
people get bounced for no good
reason. That's, you know, we

2628
02:30:32,010 --> 02:30:36,300
were not that stable, that we
need more subscribers, for sure.

2629
02:30:36,360 --> 02:30:39,660
We'll push that we'll be pushing
that. Probably on the show more.

2630
02:30:39,720 --> 02:30:44,100
Okay, I've two more things. One
more. One is I actually would

2631
02:30:44,100 --> 02:30:49,290
like to know, how you prep for
the show. I think I already

2632
02:30:49,290 --> 02:30:50,250
explained what I do,

2633
02:30:50,400 --> 02:30:54,870
I don't do, I don't generally
what I do is I typically take

2634
02:30:54,870 --> 02:30:58,530
the articles and things that
I've found, and I print them out

2635
02:30:59,250 --> 02:31:03,930
and pile them up as they as they
come because I get most of my

2636
02:31:03,930 --> 02:31:07,410
stuff online. And then I'm
always making clips because they

2637
02:31:07,410 --> 02:31:11,010
have an h2 recorder by the by my
side at all times. And I'm

2638
02:31:11,340 --> 02:31:14,490
constantly jumping up even with
everything full family could be

2639
02:31:14,490 --> 02:31:17,010
watching a movie or something
I'm jumping up and stopping the

2640
02:31:17,010 --> 02:31:20,940
movie, backing it up and then
getting a clip. And then you

2641
02:31:20,940 --> 02:31:23,280
know, so I collect a lot of I
spent most of my time collecting

2642
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:27,510
clips and articles, and I don't
organize them very well is

2643
02:31:27,540 --> 02:31:29,940
because of the nature of the
show, I've always assuming that

2644
02:31:29,940 --> 02:31:33,180
it's going to go anywhere,
because you never know what you

2645
02:31:33,180 --> 02:31:35,850
know who's gonna bring up a
topic that gets interesting in

2646
02:31:35,850 --> 02:31:39,960
the conversation itself. So I
show I'm probably underprepared

2647
02:31:41,130 --> 02:31:45,150
in terms of pure preparation,
not in terms of the work that

2648
02:31:45,150 --> 02:31:47,820
goes into getting the clips and
all that and reading a lot. But

2649
02:31:47,820 --> 02:31:49,920
in terms of like thinking about
what I'm going to do, I do

2650
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:52,680
occasionally will take a bunch
of notes. Or if you watch the,

2651
02:31:52,890 --> 02:31:55,500
or listen to the show, maybe a
year ago, I would have these

2652
02:31:55,500 --> 02:31:58,920
notes, I used to ridicule myself
for having taken terrible notes

2653
02:31:58,920 --> 02:32:02,070
I can't read. And that was a
little more preparation, but I

2654
02:32:02,070 --> 02:32:04,410
find that it really hasn't that
didn't do anything to improve

2655
02:32:04,410 --> 02:32:09,030
the show. And it also kind of
puts you if I if I prepare too

2656
02:32:09,030 --> 02:32:13,050
much, I'll try to dominate the
show. And which Ryan who kind of

2657
02:32:13,080 --> 02:32:14,190
was the patient flow.

2658
02:32:14,910 --> 02:32:18,420
In the for me, the only I do
collect everything, because I

2659
02:32:18,420 --> 02:32:21,450
find if you look at the show
notes versus what we talked

2660
02:32:21,450 --> 02:32:25,110
about in the show, I mean, the
show notes are often four times

2661
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:29,100
as much information. And I think
that is a valuable part of the

2662
02:32:29,100 --> 02:32:33,930
show for people to be able to go
and research stuff and look at

2663
02:32:33,930 --> 02:32:37,770
things and there is a reasonable
segment of the audience that

2664
02:32:37,770 --> 02:32:41,370
really uses that and appreciates
it and looks at it. Some of the

2665
02:32:41,370 --> 02:32:46,350
iPhone apps give you good access
to it and search ability. But

2666
02:32:46,350 --> 02:32:51,180
I'm all I'm typically always
hoping, just hoping that I can

2667
02:32:51,180 --> 02:32:55,620
find from a radio production
perspective. Here it is. I'm

2668
02:32:55,620 --> 02:32:58,560
hoping that there's one or two
zingers that I have either it's

2669
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:02,220
a clip or it's a story or
something and I'll work on that.

2670
02:33:02,220 --> 02:33:06,540
And I cannot go to bed on a
Wednesday night or a Saturday

2671
02:33:06,540 --> 02:33:09,660
night without knowing I have
something and I sometimes will

2672
02:33:09,660 --> 02:33:13,620
try out my my rap on Mickey.
I'll say how does this sound?

2673
02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:16,170
And usually I get shot down.

2674
02:33:16,440 --> 02:33:19,410
Yeah, I refuse to do that. I
think that's overdoing it.

2675
02:33:19,440 --> 02:33:21,450
I get shut down. Good.

2676
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:26,580
So here's a quiz question that
somebody has for you. What

2677
02:33:26,580 --> 02:33:29,970
happened to the global blank
fund? Adam was supposed to have

2678
02:33:29,970 --> 02:33:34,380
a big report on it. The what?
Number that fun? You were

2679
02:33:34,380 --> 02:33:37,890
talking about that that money
that was hidden during the

2680
02:33:37,890 --> 02:33:39,510
Reagan administration or
something?

2681
02:33:39,570 --> 02:33:44,610
Oh, you know? Yeah, the was a
French name.

2682
02:33:46,500 --> 02:33:49,770
Yeah, this vote from Monday.
Okay. Why do we not that was

2683
02:33:49,770 --> 02:33:50,820
there's your answer, Brian.

2684
02:33:50,940 --> 02:33:53,940
Yeah, no. Well, I hit so many
dead ends, and I just don't have

2685
02:33:53,940 --> 02:33:57,540
the time to spend my life. Yeah.
And it's not going to break

2686
02:33:57,540 --> 02:34:00,720
bring anything apart is there's
there's, I guess the answer is,

2687
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:03,990
no one has done enough reporting
that at least that I could find

2688
02:34:04,020 --> 02:34:08,340
that makes it believable,
believable or credible enough.

2689
02:34:08,610 --> 02:34:11,370
And the only way to really get
into it is I'd have to do the

2690
02:34:11,400 --> 02:34:13,950
investigative work myself. And
that's obviously not going to

2691
02:34:13,950 --> 02:34:14,370
happen.

2692
02:34:14,580 --> 02:34:18,240
Okay. Hugs a lot asks, what's
the actual cost of producing the

2693
02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:22,080
show? Most podcasts have zero
budgets and still produce shows.

2694
02:34:22,350 --> 02:34:24,330
DSC is done free?

2695
02:34:24,360 --> 02:34:28,680
No, no, it's not. That's not
true. DSC is a part of what

2696
02:34:28,680 --> 02:34:31,830
these founding and sustain
sustaining producers of the no

2697
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:34,620
agenda stream donated their
money for and we'll have to do

2698
02:34:34,620 --> 02:34:40,410
another drive. And you know,
what is the actual cost? And

2699
02:34:40,410 --> 02:34:43,740
what does it cost you to go to
work? You know, there's actual

2700
02:34:43,740 --> 02:34:48,720
cost. This is actual time it's
there's preparation money, value

2701
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:51,990
for value. That's the way it
works. Time is definitely money.

2702
02:34:52,350 --> 02:34:56,040
So is there actual, you know,
would you like me to charge by

2703
02:34:56,040 --> 02:34:59,280
the hour the amount of time it
took me to set up the studio?

2704
02:34:59,310 --> 02:35:00,960
That's just one little We'll
thing now you're not

2705
02:35:00,960 --> 02:35:03,270
sure what I actually the
question to me is vague. I don't

2706
02:35:03,270 --> 02:35:07,860
know what it means. dz picks
asks what iPhone iPad app does

2707
02:35:07,860 --> 02:35:10,920
Adam use for the jingles sound
bank,

2708
02:35:11,880 --> 02:35:21,630
I use a program called sound
bite b y t, one word sound bite

2709
02:35:21,660 --> 02:35:30,030
on the Mac. It is created made
by black cat software. And I've

2710
02:35:30,030 --> 02:35:33,420
just kind of been, they
essentially replicated a cart

2711
02:35:33,420 --> 02:35:36,480
machine. They look like cards,
you can color them like you

2712
02:35:36,480 --> 02:35:39,420
would call her an ecard as a
cartridge just as the old school

2713
02:35:39,420 --> 02:35:43,560
way of putting Jean jingle
machine. And it's pretty

2714
02:35:43,560 --> 02:35:46,380
customizable. And what's nice
about it is they released an

2715
02:35:46,380 --> 02:35:49,860
iPhone app, which I can run on
the iPad, although it kind of

2716
02:35:49,860 --> 02:35:53,580
sucks because it's it runs in
iPhone mode, and you kind of

2717
02:35:53,580 --> 02:35:56,490
enlarge it and it doesn't work
very well. In fact, today, I

2718
02:35:56,490 --> 02:36:02,760
didn't use it at all. But
normally, I do. And it brings up

2719
02:36:02,760 --> 02:36:07,140
the screen of your cart deck the
way it looks on the computer

2720
02:36:07,140 --> 02:36:10,020
screen. And the only way if I
had, I would prefer to have an

2721
02:36:10,020 --> 02:36:15,660
extra monitor instead of having
the the iPad run that. Because I

2722
02:36:15,660 --> 02:36:18,060
use two monitors because I have
a lot of stuff that I have to

2723
02:36:18,090 --> 02:36:22,470
monitor. And really what I need
is I need to be able to connect

2724
02:36:22,500 --> 02:36:26,340
a third screen to my laptop. I
don't think that's an easy thing

2725
02:36:26,340 --> 02:36:27,030
to do, though.

2726
02:36:28,410 --> 02:36:33,030
Okay. Here's an interesting
question. You Me You I should be

2727
02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:35,250
able to answer I'm gonna have
you do it if you can I bought

2728
02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:38,520
Nokia 71. Because you said you
like and how do I get the stream

2729
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:39,630
to work on it? Can we do that?

2730
02:36:41,400 --> 02:36:45,810
There is actually in the Nokia
Ovi Store, which is their

2731
02:36:45,810 --> 02:36:50,880
version of the app store. There
is a just released if you go

2732
02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:55,590
there. And it's like create your
own Nokia app, I think they're

2733
02:36:55,590 --> 02:37:00,330
actually calling them apps, you
can enter the RSS feed for no

2734
02:37:00,330 --> 02:37:04,590
agenda. And it will create an
app for your phone. And then you

2735
02:37:04,590 --> 02:37:08,400
can put that on your phone. It
does not do the streaming bit

2736
02:37:08,400 --> 02:37:15,660
but you can get streaming
programs all over the place for

2737
02:37:15,690 --> 02:37:18,510
for the Nokia. But I think it's
more interesting just to be able

2738
02:37:18,510 --> 02:37:23,940
to, to make your own app for the
for the for the episodes. So

2739
02:37:23,940 --> 02:37:27,660
that's how you do that. And
Blackberry, by the way, also was

2740
02:37:27,660 --> 02:37:30,690
coming out they called me like
yeah, we're gonna do podcasting

2741
02:37:30,690 --> 02:37:34,380
on the BlackBerry key you log in
and put in your shows for your

2742
02:37:34,380 --> 02:37:39,750
company and I put it in no
agenda, daily source code, tech,

2743
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:45,030
five top five cranky geeks and
then I got bored. So apparently

2744
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:51,510
there's some podcasting thing on
BlackBerry. So yeah. anymore

2745
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:51,960
from the chat

2746
02:37:51,960 --> 02:37:55,440
room, Twitter and Twitter. Let
me see it. There's one more

2747
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:56,760
here. There was one hold on one
second,

2748
02:37:56,760 --> 02:37:58,410
just good to see who's texting
me.

2749
02:37:58,440 --> 02:38:03,660
Oh, my cute guy says the shows
gone from a show with no jingles

2750
02:38:03,660 --> 02:38:09,450
and no talent to a glut of both.
That that was kind of unique.

2751
02:38:09,900 --> 02:38:13,560
It's gone to a what? We have a
glut of talent apparently on the

2752
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:17,940
show. It's just the same two
guys. Somebody else asks, the

2753
02:38:17,940 --> 02:38:20,460
show has changed a lot since its
inception is the same guy

2754
02:38:20,460 --> 02:38:24,150
actually opera now? Do you
prefer the new format? And uh,

2755
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:27,690
you know, obviously we do, or we
wouldn't be doing it. And the

2756
02:38:27,690 --> 02:38:30,210
audience does more than the
audience does, too. I mean, you

2757
02:38:30,210 --> 02:38:32,460
know, the show is, you know, has
its, you

2758
02:38:32,460 --> 02:38:35,580
know, you know, I've been
broadcasting long enough. You

2759
02:38:35,580 --> 02:38:38,760
always have people who say, Oh,
it was much better than Oh, it

2760
02:38:38,760 --> 02:38:39,630
was better than Oh,

2761
02:38:39,630 --> 02:38:41,880
no, I have the same thing. As a
writer, you get this. I have

2762
02:38:41,880 --> 02:38:44,250
people that still say when you
are writing that column for

2763
02:38:44,250 --> 02:38:47,460
InfoWorld, it was much better.
Yeah. And I looked at those I

2764
02:38:47,460 --> 02:38:51,930
can go back and look at that old
crap. And it wasn't. Generally

2765
02:38:51,930 --> 02:38:54,030
speaking, things improve. Yeah,

2766
02:38:54,060 --> 02:38:57,300
I guess it's just, it's just the
nature of the beast,

2767
02:38:57,359 --> 02:39:00,929
I suppose in the nostalgia or
you know, people at some point

2768
02:39:00,929 --> 02:39:04,049
people either like you more in
time, because they hear you more

2769
02:39:04,049 --> 02:39:06,899
or they read you more, or they
like you less in time, and then

2770
02:39:06,899 --> 02:39:08,879
they associate that with maybe
you were doing something

2771
02:39:08,879 --> 02:39:11,999
different before. Generally
speaking, you weren't.

2772
02:39:12,510 --> 02:39:18,060
Alright, so wrapping this up?
What's the future? Well,

2773
02:39:18,060 --> 02:39:19,560
we got another 200 shows to do.

2774
02:39:19,980 --> 02:39:24,180
At least now we have what we
have at least until episode 333.

2775
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:28,800
Well, before we do another
promotion like the deuce Club.

2776
02:39:28,830 --> 02:39:31,320
Well, we got to thank all the
dues club members profusely,

2777
02:39:31,320 --> 02:39:37,800
we'll do that over time and then
on the webpage, and I think, you

2778
02:39:37,800 --> 02:39:42,150
know, we not showing any
indication of slower growth, but

2779
02:39:42,150 --> 02:39:44,850
people still like to show I
think the great thing and we've

2780
02:39:44,850 --> 02:39:48,900
talked about this off off off
the air a lot. There's a there's

2781
02:39:48,900 --> 02:39:50,550
so much material for us.

2782
02:39:50,700 --> 02:39:54,390
Yeah, I think the show there's
only there's only growth because

2783
02:39:54,420 --> 02:39:56,580
it just comes automatically it

2784
02:39:57,029 --> 02:40:00,689
is getting worse. Yeah, they're
laying everybody off. After the

2785
02:40:00,719 --> 02:40:04,919
the Obama administration is
getting worse, they're lying to

2786
02:40:04,919 --> 02:40:09,899
the public just straight out.
You know, there's these crazy

2787
02:40:09,899 --> 02:40:12,089
things that Hill and Knowlton
are doing. I mean, now that I

2788
02:40:12,089 --> 02:40:14,669
find that they're the behind all
the global warming stuff, you

2789
02:40:14,669 --> 02:40:17,669
know, we're doomed, that that's
going to go through because you

2790
02:40:17,669 --> 02:40:21,659
can't stop Hill and Knowlton. I
don't know, are you?

2791
02:40:21,870 --> 02:40:24,540
Are you worried that the show
will ever get like taken off the

2792
02:40:24,540 --> 02:40:24,900
air?

2793
02:40:26,220 --> 02:40:29,070
Not seriously. But it could be
it could take be taken off the

2794
02:40:29,070 --> 02:40:29,910
air. I don't think

2795
02:40:30,300 --> 02:40:34,110
this, by the way, is a huge
benefit of, of our model.

2796
02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:37,650
Because if you have advertisers,
that's the attack mechanism,

2797
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:40,950
that's where your weakest when
the minute someone doesn't like

2798
02:40:40,950 --> 02:40:44,160
what you say, Look at look at
Imus, you know, and that's just

2799
02:40:44,190 --> 02:40:47,220
one example. The minute you go
somewhere that they don't like

2800
02:40:47,220 --> 02:40:50,700
you then then the audience. For
us, it's easy. The audience like

2801
02:40:50,700 --> 02:40:53,250
what we do we get no money. It's
like, okay, we can turn that

2802
02:40:53,250 --> 02:40:56,700
around around in one episode, we
can go, Okay, we went off the

2803
02:40:56,700 --> 02:41:00,240
track there, we can get back on.
But when your advertisers pull

2804
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:02,970
out, then the network goes nuts.
And then you're then you're out

2805
02:41:02,970 --> 02:41:05,250
of a job, you're dead. You're
gone your history,

2806
02:41:05,670 --> 02:41:08,250
and you lost it. You know, there
was you don't have control from

2807
02:41:08,250 --> 02:41:11,310
the get go. Yep. And that's
another reason I think the

2808
02:41:11,310 --> 02:41:14,760
direct support is the way to go.
It's open source, we don't care.

2809
02:41:15,060 --> 02:41:17,430
One of the things that's great
about our say, well, one of the,

2810
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:19,770
you know, if somebody's
bootlegs, the show puts on their

2811
02:41:19,770 --> 02:41:22,860
own website takes credit for say
they produce, I don't care. The

2812
02:41:22,860 --> 02:41:27,750
fact is, our messages are
embedded in the show. And they

2813
02:41:27,810 --> 02:41:30,840
it goes with us, we don't need
to prove numbers. We know. So

2814
02:41:30,840 --> 02:41:35,370
all our numbers from Arbitron
came in and we got to three,

2815
02:41:35,370 --> 02:41:39,300
three, and this is a hero Look,
Mr. advertiser, give us some

2816
02:41:39,300 --> 02:41:43,170
more money. We have a better
CPM, we have a certain demo,

2817
02:41:43,410 --> 02:41:46,200
they have to prove our demo. And
we have to prove the CPM and

2818
02:41:46,200 --> 02:41:48,000
this and that. And the other
thing, I mean, it's ridiculous

2819
02:41:48,029 --> 02:41:50,609
for those days when when you'd
wait for the arbitrage to come

2820
02:41:50,609 --> 02:41:54,089
out and the whole station was
like tiptoeing around. Well, we

2821
02:41:54,089 --> 02:41:58,259
know the trends are down. So
we're at How bad will it be? Or?

2822
02:41:58,590 --> 02:42:01,560
Yeah, we don't deal with any of
that. We don't want to it's

2823
02:42:01,560 --> 02:42:04,890
ridiculous. And we completely
independent. We don't have

2824
02:42:04,890 --> 02:42:08,430
anybody telling us what to do.
We don't have advertisers

2825
02:42:08,430 --> 02:42:11,640
telling us what to do, which is
the real danger here. And I did

2826
02:42:11,670 --> 02:42:15,090
without exception, the only way
we would be taken off the air is

2827
02:42:15,090 --> 02:42:18,930
if the government or somebody
sued us, or the government

2828
02:42:18,930 --> 02:42:21,630
decided to pull the plug or they
who knows I mean that but that's

2829
02:42:21,630 --> 02:42:24,420
not going to happen. We're gonna
look we're below the radar,

2830
02:42:24,420 --> 02:42:28,260
we're crackpots. We believe it.
We're conspiracy theory people

2831
02:42:28,260 --> 02:42:32,610
who know. And maybe we'll get
taxed for being conspiracy

2832
02:42:32,640 --> 02:42:35,190
theory, guys. Yeah, that's the
worst thing that could happen.

2833
02:42:35,190 --> 02:42:38,160
Well, I can live well, it seems
to me that Alex Jones will get

2834
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:40,830
taken out before we do. And that
would be a nice warning shot.

2835
02:42:40,830 --> 02:42:43,380
We'd he's the he's the canary in
the cage, as far as I'm

2836
02:42:43,380 --> 02:42:45,600
concerned, even though I don't
think he does have to do work we

2837
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:45,900
do.

2838
02:42:47,130 --> 02:42:49,800
I think he has good guests. But
that's a different format.

2839
02:42:50,460 --> 02:42:52,440
But no, we can't. That's another
thing. That's the one question

2840
02:42:52,440 --> 02:42:56,190
we should at least before we
finish, that we cannot do two

2841
02:42:56,190 --> 02:43:00,510
hours. Yeah, we've done it
again. Before we finish, you

2842
02:43:00,510 --> 02:43:03,450
know, the people say, Well, can
I be a guest on your show? Do

2843
02:43:03,450 --> 02:43:05,580
you how can we don't do this?
Second, we don't do that. We may

2844
02:43:05,580 --> 02:43:07,950
do some separate interview show
separately that will be on the

2845
02:43:07,950 --> 02:43:11,640
stream that will be part of some
other initiative. This show is

2846
02:43:11,640 --> 02:43:15,150
what it is. It's two guys
talking to each other about the

2847
02:43:15,180 --> 02:43:17,850
current events just like you do
in a coffee shop with your

2848
02:43:17,850 --> 02:43:20,820
buddies is no guests. We don't
you when you're in a coffee

2849
02:43:20,820 --> 02:43:25,350
shop, you know, it's a man
coming in to have a guest you

2850
02:43:25,350 --> 02:43:27,840
know, so and so just finished
the book. So what was your book

2851
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:30,450
about? This is not the Larry
King show,

2852
02:43:30,480 --> 02:43:34,680
right? Well, anyway, so yeah, we
were gonna do an hour. We're

2853
02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:39,030
moving up now. What are we had
to have the exact recording here

2854
02:43:39,030 --> 02:43:44,190
we are at 145. Good job. Thank
you again, to everyone who

2855
02:43:44,190 --> 02:43:48,540
supports no agenda, who
supported this show. The deuce

2856
02:43:48,540 --> 02:43:52,260
club. Thanks to everyone who's
out there and making websites

2857
02:43:52,260 --> 02:43:59,850
and crazy ideas and promoting
us. It is also your show. So I

2858
02:43:59,850 --> 02:44:01,890
can just say thank you, John.
Thank you.

2859
02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:03,030
I thank you.

2860
02:44:03,060 --> 02:44:07,740
I really it's the highlight of
my week. Twin that happens twice

2861
02:44:07,740 --> 02:44:08,130
a week.

2862
02:44:08,760 --> 02:44:11,580
And we'll try to do these
special third shows every so

2863
02:44:11,580 --> 02:44:16,020
often. And what are we gonna
talk about? Well, I think we

2864
02:44:16,020 --> 02:44:20,280
talked out I'll bet we could do
another two hour I

2865
02:44:20,280 --> 02:44:22,770
you know, I was just about to
say not a problem.

2866
02:44:24,480 --> 02:44:27,360
And in our in our spouse, what
do you think it's so weird that

2867
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:28,290
you don't use headphones?

2868
02:44:28,949 --> 02:44:32,249
It's it's a typical for for
radio guys. And

2869
02:44:32,820 --> 02:44:37,440
a typical but, but I've managed
it because I use this the the

2870
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:42,450
the pop screen, yeah, as my
point of departure. And so if I

2871
02:44:42,450 --> 02:44:45,150
keep my lips within a quarter
inch of the pop screen, I'm

2872
02:44:45,180 --> 02:44:47,700
within range of this microphone.
We're back,

2873
02:44:47,699 --> 02:44:52,979
by the way with the last bit of
this special episode. And this

2874
02:44:52,979 --> 02:44:56,129
is you can tell that we speak
exactly the same way off air as

2875
02:44:56,129 --> 02:44:59,969
we do. Why do you think that's
it?

2876
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,350
Weird. That's, you know, it
reminds me of like, I tell

2877
02:45:04,350 --> 02:45:07,530
people this when you give them
try to give people teleprompter

2878
02:45:07,530 --> 02:45:10,620
training that. And then the
funny thing is when I remember

2879
02:45:10,620 --> 02:45:14,040
years and years ago is doing
some, some body or radio thing

2880
02:45:14,040 --> 02:45:17,430
of some sort, and I was reading
advertising copy. And there was

2881
02:45:17,430 --> 02:45:21,690
just a moment where the read
became my actual voice. Oh,

2882
02:45:22,050 --> 02:45:24,870
that's where you get the gig,
obviously. And you go, Oh, my

2883
02:45:24,870 --> 02:45:30,120
God, that sounds so cool. Yeah,
sounds actually natural. Now, by

2884
02:45:30,120 --> 02:45:32,580
the way, there's one thing I did
want to mention that in the

2885
02:45:32,580 --> 02:45:35,340
first half, is this that
stammering I do all the time, I

2886
02:45:35,340 --> 02:45:38,430
think is annoying. Thank God,
people don't bitch about it.

2887
02:45:39,000 --> 02:45:40,290
I don't notice that at all.

2888
02:45:40,710 --> 02:45:43,170
Yeah, well, I do when I hear
myself. Well,

2889
02:45:43,890 --> 02:45:46,740
you know, everyone has, there's
a lot of stuff I don't like

2890
02:45:46,740 --> 02:45:47,940
about how I talk.

2891
02:45:49,350 --> 02:45:54,780
Now, you sound a lot better than
I do. Anyway. So I think this is

2892
02:45:55,140 --> 02:45:56,820
pretty much wraps this show up?

2893
02:45:57,030 --> 02:46:00,240
Well, I just wanted to say
they're the format. We're not

2894
02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:03,840
the format. If anything, the
show has kind of developed a

2895
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:09,990
format. That for me, you know,
there there there is a change,

2896
02:46:09,990 --> 02:46:14,520
which was driven more by the
world around us. And when I say

2897
02:46:14,520 --> 02:46:18,750
the world, I mean, the media
world, is that now that there's

2898
02:46:18,750 --> 02:46:26,040
less and less news, actually
being presented in our in our in

2899
02:46:26,040 --> 02:46:29,580
the mainstream media, I think
that both of us have have taken

2900
02:46:29,580 --> 02:46:34,260
it upon ourselves to work much
harder, had actually finding,

2901
02:46:34,290 --> 02:46:36,750
you know, knew the words. I
mean, we're doing more

2902
02:46:36,750 --> 02:46:39,570
uncovering and I mean, I
jokingly call myself with

2903
02:46:39,570 --> 02:46:41,130
government legislation analyst.

2904
02:46:41,610 --> 02:46:44,130
Did you get the email from the
guest says that was redundant.

2905
02:46:44,370 --> 02:46:46,530
No, I don't or I haven't seen it
yet.

2906
02:46:46,620 --> 02:46:48,960
Oh, yeah. Well, a guy says,
well, could you call yourself

2907
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:52,590
that all legislation is
government legislation or can't

2908
02:46:52,590 --> 02:46:55,260
be called legislation? So you're
being redundant? You shouldn't

2909
02:46:55,260 --> 02:46:58,410
be calling yourself an
independent legislation analyst.

2910
02:46:58,440 --> 02:46:58,980
No, that's

2911
02:46:58,980 --> 02:47:01,170
something that doesn't sound
good at cocktail parties. When

2912
02:47:01,170 --> 02:47:03,930
you say an analyst. Yeah, no,

2913
02:47:03,960 --> 02:47:08,430
I'm just telling you, you need
to realize it's redundant. Now,

2914
02:47:08,430 --> 02:47:11,880
yeah, I think that will you've
done a lot more reading of deep

2915
02:47:11,880 --> 02:47:16,170
reading and gotten into reading
legislation. I had not gone that

2916
02:47:16,170 --> 02:47:21,000
way I have. I'm more of I'm
still flipped, floundering in

2917
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:21,480
some of this

2918
02:47:21,480 --> 02:47:24,150
stuff. Because I disagree.
Because you're doing something

2919
02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:27,120
interesting. You, especially the
last couple of shows, you've

2920
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:30,180
been tuning into a lot of
foreign media sources as still

2921
02:47:30,180 --> 02:47:31,800
English spoken in general.

2922
02:47:32,460 --> 02:47:35,130
Yeah, I have gone to the foreign
sources. And then, because

2923
02:47:35,130 --> 02:47:37,200
that's the only thing I've been
able to do where I'll bring

2924
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,120
these stories up. And you
haven't heard him, which proves

2925
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:42,480
my point, that the stories are
not getting out there yet. Some

2926
02:47:42,480 --> 02:47:45,780
of the stories are interesting,
like the Cambodian child,

2927
02:47:46,290 --> 02:47:49,440
it hits CNN now actually. Yeah,

2928
02:47:49,650 --> 02:47:52,830
we that's another thing we've
done over we sent the Red Book

2929
02:47:52,830 --> 02:47:55,590
began. And actually even before
that, people are finally

2930
02:47:55,590 --> 02:47:58,260
realizing that we're way ahead
of the curve on some of these

2931
02:47:58,260 --> 02:48:00,180
stories are way ahead of the
curve.

2932
02:48:00,420 --> 02:48:02,880
Well, yeah, just look at drones.
I mean, I think I don't think it

2933
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:06,450
was in 205 that I can remember,
but I know we were talking about

2934
02:48:06,450 --> 02:48:11,610
drones as far back as 2010. And
it kind of creeps up on you. And

2935
02:48:11,790 --> 02:48:13,770
sometimes just gotta remind
myself like, man, we've been

2936
02:48:13,770 --> 02:48:17,400
talking about this for so long.
And we were joking about drones

2937
02:48:17,400 --> 02:48:21,390
overhead. Now it's mainstream
conversation, just mainstream

2938
02:48:21,390 --> 02:48:22,290
conversation.

2939
02:48:22,650 --> 02:48:25,530
So let's wrap this one up, give
people a heads up on the next

2940
02:48:25,530 --> 02:48:30,870
show. And then we hope they'll
keep helping us here. Yes, with

2941
02:48:30,870 --> 02:48:35,730
the donations to even though
we're not live. We are live to

2942
02:48:35,730 --> 02:48:35,970
tape,

2943
02:48:35,970 --> 02:48:37,710
but it's kind of a and we're
gonna be back.

2944
02:48:38,910 --> 02:48:41,340
Let's interrupt these guys once
again, as we were talking about

2945
02:48:41,340 --> 02:48:44,880
earlier in the show. Yeah. Now
this is the end. We've

2946
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:49,020
interrupted ourselves twice
here. And anything else? So

2947
02:48:49,020 --> 02:48:51,480
there's a couple of things that
I suppose we should wrap with.

2948
02:48:51,690 --> 02:48:55,230
I'd like to I'd like to talk
about how best to interact with

2949
02:48:55,230 --> 02:48:59,520
the show with with stories and
ideas. And this is this is

2950
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,640
really from my end, I don't know
you opinion

2951
02:49:02,670 --> 02:49:06,450
discussed yet. Yeah. Discuss it
occasionally on the regular

2952
02:49:06,450 --> 02:49:06,930
show, right.

2953
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:12,150
So when you're when you have a
lot of email as an example, I've

2954
02:49:12,150 --> 02:49:14,760
tried to do this before, you
know, please be descriptive in

2955
02:49:14,760 --> 02:49:17,940
your subject line, etc. And
please be as short as possible,

2956
02:49:17,940 --> 02:49:20,340
but sometimes it's just not
possible people have a story, if

2957
02:49:20,340 --> 02:49:22,740
you have a story to tell if
there's something important if

2958
02:49:22,770 --> 02:49:25,860
you have new information, new
shit has come to light. All of

2959
02:49:25,860 --> 02:49:28,650
that of course is fine. But
again, subject lines are very

2960
02:49:28,650 --> 02:49:33,240
important. We think about going
through two or 300 emails that

2961
02:49:33,240 --> 02:49:36,210
you know 10 seconds makes a
difference in my life. It really

2962
02:49:36,210 --> 02:49:40,590
does. So for me, please if you
have a link or something that's

2963
02:49:40,590 --> 02:49:44,670
just funny, or something you
feel is relevant. Tweet it to me

2964
02:49:44,700 --> 02:49:49,950
I read every single tweet. I
probably will not retweet if you

2965
02:49:49,950 --> 02:49:51,960
send some something that I'm
going to use on the show I will

2966
02:49:51,960 --> 02:49:55,500
always favorite it so you know
that I've read it and the reason

2967
02:49:55,500 --> 02:49:58,560
why is it's I go down a list and
it's Ling Ling Ling Ling Ling. I

2968
02:49:58,560 --> 02:50:01,920
don't have to open an email
don't have to go to a next email

2969
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:04,530
don't have to read a whole
thing, just you're limited to

2970
02:50:04,530 --> 02:50:08,790
140 characters is beautiful, if
you send it that way. And the

2971
02:50:08,790 --> 02:50:12,630
same for John the same thing,
and also don't send the same

2972
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:16,890
great idea to both of us, that
sucks. Send that to John or to

2973
02:50:16,890 --> 02:50:20,370
me, don't sending it to both is
generally not a good idea.

2974
02:50:20,370 --> 02:50:23,610
Because sometimes I think, Oh,
well, John will have that. Or

2975
02:50:23,610 --> 02:50:26,250
you may think I'm doing it. And
sometimes you wind up not even

2976
02:50:26,250 --> 02:50:30,720
covering it. These are very,
very important things and

2977
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:35,130
encryption, if you really, truly
are sending some government guy,

2978
02:50:35,550 --> 02:50:38,640
you need to encrypt because I
can promise you anonymity

2979
02:50:38,640 --> 02:50:42,270
because my system is set up. So
I will know that I won't, you

2980
02:50:42,270 --> 02:50:45,720
know, blow the blow your cover,
but there's going to be copies

2981
02:50:45,720 --> 02:50:47,730
and there's just stuff you know,
you if you really want to be

2982
02:50:47,730 --> 02:50:50,760
protected, then learn how to do
encryption, it's not all that

2983
02:50:50,760 --> 02:50:51,210
hard.

2984
02:50:52,320 --> 02:50:55,650
Yeah, and send the encrypted
stuff down. Because I know a lot

2985
02:50:55,650 --> 02:50:59,520
I don't. And then a lot of time
worrying about it. Many people

2986
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:02,310
will send me clips. So they'll
have oh, here's four clips I

2987
02:51:02,310 --> 02:51:06,420
made. Please don't do that. I
appreciate it. But typically,

2988
02:51:06,480 --> 02:51:10,050
I'm just winding up, you know,
clipping your clips, if you want

2989
02:51:10,050 --> 02:51:12,090
to send me a sound file of
something that's highly

2990
02:51:12,090 --> 02:51:15,630
appreciated, because that saves
me a lot of time in recording

2991
02:51:15,630 --> 02:51:18,390
something or encoding it or
taking it off the web, whatever.

2992
02:51:19,440 --> 02:51:22,950
Let me see. So that's yeah,
those are the only thing I

2993
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:23,310
actually

2994
02:51:23,310 --> 02:51:26,430
don't have so much of a problem
with the clips to send them to

2995
02:51:26,430 --> 02:51:29,520
me. But if you have a long clip,
or a reference clip where it

2996
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:33,150
says, Oh, look at this YouTube
video do put the time.

2997
02:51:33,660 --> 02:51:37,410
Oh, yes, please. Yeah, please
tell me where it's real. And

2998
02:51:37,470 --> 02:51:41,100
some kind of descriptor. Like,
you'll love this at 54 minutes.

2999
02:51:41,100 --> 02:51:44,400
20. No, I won't. I don't love
that.

3000
02:51:44,670 --> 02:51:47,970
Yeah, that sort of thing is not
good. Now. It's not helpful.

3001
02:51:48,060 --> 02:51:49,710
That's our listen to this. Are

3002
02:51:50,910 --> 02:51:53,760
we? You won't believe this.
Yeah. And I

3003
02:51:53,790 --> 02:51:57,210
don't mind getting the email.
But you have to realize I get

3004
02:51:57,210 --> 02:52:01,740
more email than Adam. I'm
betting I don't think so. I get

3005
02:52:01,740 --> 02:52:08,700
over 450 pieces a day? Oh, no,
I'm probably I get about 40 an

3006
02:52:08,700 --> 02:52:13,410
hour is what I get. Well, that
would be 800. And well, but it

3007
02:52:13,410 --> 02:52:13,620
does

3008
02:52:13,619 --> 02:52:17,279
slow down during certain hours.
So we're probably close, not far

3009
02:52:17,279 --> 02:52:17,759
from it.

3010
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:22,080
I go through my email. And
pretty much if I look at my

3011
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:26,040
email page right now, like from
several essays from yesterday,

3012
02:52:26,250 --> 02:52:28,620
and there'll be a page of I
think there's like 35 on the

3013
02:52:28,620 --> 02:52:32,700
page, the way squirrel mail
delivers it. Squirrel mail, I

3014
02:52:32,700 --> 02:52:39,960
use squirrel mail, these 35
entries and I'd say three were

3015
02:52:39,960 --> 02:52:45,330
opened. I do it based on on
subject lines. And person if

3016
02:52:45,330 --> 02:52:48,120
it's somebody I know that I
have, you know, commonly

3017
02:52:48,300 --> 02:52:51,780
converse with Yeah, I'll check
theirs out. But I probably

3018
02:52:51,780 --> 02:52:55,050
looked at or read you these. Now
you say why? Why am I opening

3019
02:52:55,050 --> 02:52:58,170
this or the worst thing that
happens to the email, which is

3020
02:52:58,170 --> 02:53:01,590
the FIFO problem that we've
discussed on the show? I'll say,

3021
02:53:01,620 --> 02:53:02,190
Oh, this

3022
02:53:02,190 --> 02:53:05,310
is good. We didn't discuss this
in 200.5 or six.

3023
02:53:05,670 --> 02:53:09,060
We've discussed it on the
regular show, which is the last

3024
02:53:09,060 --> 02:53:12,060
thing that comes in as the first
thing that goes out. And here's

3025
02:53:12,060 --> 02:53:14,910
how it works. I get an email.
Oh, this is great. I'm gonna

3026
02:53:14,910 --> 02:53:17,580
have to do this for the show.
Now, if I don't print the email

3027
02:53:17,580 --> 02:53:20,310
out, which is why I use a
printer. Adam doesn't if I

3028
02:53:20,310 --> 02:53:23,370
don't, because he uses the
freedom controller. If I don't

3029
02:53:23,370 --> 02:53:26,820
print it out right there. And I
say to myself, which I know I

3030
02:53:26,820 --> 02:53:29,550
shouldn't do but I'll do it
anyway. I'll get back

3031
02:53:29,550 --> 02:53:33,270
to that doesn't happen. Flagging
and all that stuff never works?

3032
02:53:33,360 --> 02:53:36,690
No, it doesn't work. I never get
back to because I can't find it.

3033
02:53:36,690 --> 02:53:40,200
I said who sent that? Who sent
that? What was the title and I

3034
02:53:40,200 --> 02:53:43,080
tried to dream up that do
searches on subject lines. I can

3035
02:53:43,170 --> 02:53:45,300
now I was in it. And it's gone.

3036
02:53:46,620 --> 02:53:50,880
Right? Oh another thing it is
not helpful to if you have a

3037
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:55,320
great like, oh, this document or
this legislation. People will

3038
02:53:55,320 --> 02:54:00,120
send that to me on show day
morning. And what happens is of

3039
02:54:00,120 --> 02:54:03,960
course I don't have time to dive
into it. The oh this would be

3040
02:54:03,960 --> 02:54:07,560
great for today's show. No it
won't because I'm already way

3041
02:54:07,590 --> 02:54:10,020
way down the path. There's
always room for things but

3042
02:54:10,020 --> 02:54:12,900
certainly something I have to
read and parse and I like

3043
02:54:12,900 --> 02:54:17,730
marking up PDFs no send it to me
after the show or a day before

3044
02:54:17,730 --> 02:54:21,900
not not show morning at that's
it sad because there's a lot of

3045
02:54:21,900 --> 02:54:24,450
good stuff and then I have the
same problem. By the time I'm

3046
02:54:24,450 --> 02:54:27,420
back around. It's like I don't
remember it or you know, I

3047
02:54:27,420 --> 02:54:31,110
didn't put it in the right place
or just the stuff you get his

3048
02:54:31,110 --> 02:54:37,860
stuff between pacific time
anyway. between noon and I'd say

3049
02:54:37,860 --> 02:54:42,960
five on Wednesdays and Saturday.
That's helpful. Yeah, it has a

3050
02:54:42,960 --> 02:54:46,830
better shot. But then I have
this Trump because we talked

3051
02:54:46,830 --> 02:54:50,400
about how we finished the show.
And on show nights where I call

3052
02:54:50,400 --> 02:54:52,590
show night which is the night
before the show. That's where

3053
02:54:52,590 --> 02:54:55,620
you with no sex. Is that what
you call? Well,

3054
02:54:56,550 --> 02:55:00,540
sex would be better but
distracting show All night would

3055
02:55:00,540 --> 02:55:04,560
be, you have your getting your
clips organized and thing I get

3056
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:08,550
to I have to go to bed at right
after I closed the books at

3057
02:55:08,550 --> 02:55:11,730
midnight, right at midnight
Pacific time. So if you'd get a

3058
02:55:11,730 --> 02:55:14,610
donation and after that doesn't
get it goes to the next show, it

3059
02:55:14,610 --> 02:55:18,870
doesn't go on. And we're pretty
strict. Yeah. And so, like close

3060
02:55:18,870 --> 02:55:21,450
that I send all this stuff, I
also have to type in all the

3061
02:55:21,450 --> 02:55:24,480
checks that came in over $50. So
that's like a little, just extra

3062
02:55:24,480 --> 02:55:28,500
work, which is fine. Cuz some of
the checks are, you know, nice.

3063
02:55:28,530 --> 02:55:31,560
They got notes. And it's
interesting. So I had to send it

3064
02:55:31,560 --> 02:55:34,230
all at Eric. And then that's
about done with all that about

3065
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:36,930
1220. And I have to go to bed
because they gotta get up at

3066
02:55:36,930 --> 02:55:41,790
seven to do the to move the
clips from. And I produced my

3067
02:55:41,790 --> 02:55:44,550
clips in the morning before the
show, because the clips

3068
02:55:44,550 --> 02:55:47,340
themselves even though I've
tried, I will put very

3069
02:55:47,340 --> 02:55:51,900
descriptive stuff. And this is
the job put the democracy now.

3070
02:55:51,900 --> 02:55:54,600
And I'll put the name of the
wood who's saying something and

3071
02:55:54,600 --> 02:55:56,400
what were they're talking about.
I tried to put it all in there.

3072
02:55:56,400 --> 02:56:01,350
But 90% of the time, I can't get
it all in there. And because

3073
02:56:01,350 --> 02:56:04,890
it's too long of a file name.
And so what I do I do the clips

3074
02:56:04,890 --> 02:56:08,640
in the morning before the show,
I produce them, so I can

3075
02:56:08,640 --> 02:56:12,990
remember them. So when I look at
the clips, right 20 clips, and I

3076
02:56:12,990 --> 02:56:16,680
just I just produced them like
an hour earlier. Yeah, I can

3077
02:56:16,680 --> 02:56:20,040
look at the clip and say, I know
that I just heard it. I have the

3078
02:56:20,040 --> 02:56:20,550
same

3079
02:56:20,550 --> 02:56:24,000
thing I that's the last thing I
do before we start the show is I

3080
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:27,270
organize the clips into little
folders, my clips, your clips

3081
02:56:27,270 --> 02:56:30,420
are always in one folder. And
that's the only way I can

3082
02:56:30,420 --> 02:56:33,360
remember them. Otherwise, if
it's done too far in advance

3083
02:56:33,360 --> 02:56:35,820
now, they won't remember either.
What the hell was that?

3084
02:56:36,180 --> 02:56:41,130
Yeah, like sometimes I'll carry
a clip over for a week. In the

3085
02:56:41,130 --> 02:56:42,570
next show, and I won't know what
it was.

3086
02:56:43,860 --> 02:56:47,340
Bear is that what is that?
Something that I really knew

3087
02:56:47,340 --> 02:56:50,820
what that meant? Three days ago,
but now I don't know what it

3088
02:56:50,820 --> 02:56:51,540
means. Hey, I

3089
02:56:51,540 --> 02:56:56,700
want to thank Eric the shill.
Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Sorry.

3090
02:56:56,730 --> 02:57:00,540
Yeah, he he does all the rings
and stuff. And he's customer

3091
02:57:00,540 --> 02:57:03,780
support, I guess would be what
we'd call he's good at that.

3092
02:57:04,260 --> 02:57:08,490
He's really good. And I want to
thank Nene. Who makes sure that

3093
02:57:09,300 --> 02:57:12,420
that we're all on the straight
and narrow. Yeah, she does that.

3094
02:57:12,570 --> 02:57:17,190
And that's it. That's that's the
whole no agenda. I don't think

3095
02:57:17,310 --> 02:57:19,770
well, the producers, of course,
be our supporters.

3096
02:57:20,460 --> 02:57:23,520
Our grand dukes, we got time.
Yep. It's a big deal.

3097
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:28,920
Pals. mocker and holy, holy
moly. Yeah. No, I'm not going to

3098
02:57:28,920 --> 02:57:35,400
do that. And but everyone, all
the people who are students of

3099
02:57:35,400 --> 02:57:38,580
this people on you know, fixed
income social, your age

3100
02:57:38,610 --> 02:57:42,270
of producers or listeners I have
to say it's astonishes me that's

3101
02:57:42,270 --> 02:57:47,550
the most interesting thing is
the number of the range that we

3102
02:57:47,550 --> 02:57:50,850
have of listeners, the demo is
out of control. There's no way

3103
02:57:51,240 --> 02:57:52,890
you can isolate the demo. We

3104
02:57:52,890 --> 02:57:56,520
couldn't even sell this to an
advertiser. Demo is all over the

3105
02:57:56,520 --> 02:57:59,820
map. We don't know what the
anonymous cell Mars bars or

3106
02:57:59,850 --> 02:58:02,430
geriatric underwear, we're not
sure what we're supposed to sell

3107
02:58:02,430 --> 02:58:03,000
on your show

3108
02:58:03,060 --> 02:58:09,540
pablum. Exactly. I have no idea.
And I think it's great to have a

3109
02:58:09,540 --> 02:58:13,320
wide variety because that way
our input we get a lot of input.

3110
02:58:13,620 --> 02:58:17,010
The input is from a wide variety
of people. We have people in the

3111
02:58:17,010 --> 02:58:19,170
government, we have people in
the intelligence we have people

3112
02:58:19,170 --> 02:58:24,390
in the military, we have steel
workers, we have data we talked

3113
02:58:24,390 --> 02:58:27,630
about on the on the 200.5 show,
which I wanted to mention is

3114
02:58:27,630 --> 02:58:30,900
that we mentioned is that we
were lamenting some of the

3115
02:58:30,900 --> 02:58:35,370
people that we had, you know who
was the was the oldest show is

3116
02:58:35,370 --> 02:58:38,580
knighthoods random a rundown and
we're talking well, we need

3117
02:58:38,760 --> 02:58:42,930
lawyers and we need to put yours
we'd like to have a butcher

3118
02:58:42,930 --> 02:58:47,010
listening we have at this point
years later, five years later

3119
02:58:47,100 --> 02:58:50,820
that show we have all of them.
Yeah, we have a knight who's a

3120
02:58:50,820 --> 02:58:53,160
butcher, we have a knight who is
a dentist we have plenty of

3121
02:58:53,160 --> 02:58:55,260
doctors who are nice we have
plenty of lawyers, we have

3122
02:58:55,260 --> 02:59:00,090
professors, we have professors
we have again military men, we

3123
02:59:00,090 --> 02:59:03,450
have entrepreneurs, so
everybody's on board and we try

3124
02:59:03,450 --> 02:59:06,690
to do the best we can to keep
everybody entertained as best we

3125
02:59:06,690 --> 02:59:08,460
can I think we do a good job

3126
02:59:08,670 --> 02:59:12,210
I think so it's not we wouldn't
be the show would be over

3127
02:59:12,240 --> 02:59:16,410
yes and that could happen if you
no support if we lose our way or

3128
02:59:16,410 --> 02:59:17,940
we lose our it would be our
fault.

3129
02:59:17,970 --> 02:59:18,870
Yeah, I agree.

3130
02:59:18,990 --> 02:59:22,470
Something would change and
everyone rushed all this new

3131
02:59:22,470 --> 02:59:26,130
show these guys are doing dumb
agenda. Dump agenda. I've never

3132
02:59:26,130 --> 02:59:28,710
heard a dumb agenda. I've heard
a no agenda but not dumb agenda.

3133
02:59:28,710 --> 02:59:31,860
All dumb agenda so much better.
Much better listed. There's no

3134
02:59:31,860 --> 02:59:34,890
way Yeah, really. It happened?

3135
02:59:35,130 --> 02:59:38,370
Yes, I'm cognizant of it every
single every single show. I'm

3136
02:59:38,370 --> 02:59:41,310
always happy that we get to do
another one.

3137
02:59:41,820 --> 02:59:44,790
Right. And that just determined
on a weekly basis and it's

3138
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:48,420
actually a twice weekly basis.
And it depends on your help your

3139
02:59:48,420 --> 02:59:52,200
donations and your support to
divorce.org/na. It'd be my last

3140
02:59:52,200 --> 02:59:53,730
plug for that and

3141
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:59,730
the newsletter, I will say is of
extreme important importance to

3142
02:59:59,730 --> 03:00:03,600
the show. Once you do all that,
and that is your science, your

3143
03:00:03,630 --> 03:00:07,140
you really work very hard on
getting people to open the

3144
03:00:07,140 --> 03:00:10,830
newsletter. Yeah, that was a
challenge. And I encourage

3145
03:00:10,830 --> 03:00:14,130
everyone, I've started moving
the signup link to the top of

3146
03:00:14,130 --> 03:00:16,980
the show notes right on the
homepage, sign up for the

3147
03:00:16,980 --> 03:00:19,770
newsletter. And then make sure
that if you're on Gmail, maybe

3148
03:00:20,010 --> 03:00:22,620
it's probably in the promotions
tab. Yeah, always

3149
03:00:22,620 --> 03:00:25,410
shows up in the promotions tab,
it will show up and spam once in

3150
03:00:25,410 --> 03:00:27,900
a while because these guys don't
care about

3151
03:00:27,900 --> 03:00:32,130
you know, at all. And that is
the bottom line. This is your

3152
03:00:32,130 --> 03:00:37,710
show. You produce it. That's how
it works. I can't say now the

3153
03:00:37,710 --> 03:00:40,980
way people are producing weed.
Yeah, we have the the final

3154
03:00:40,980 --> 03:00:42,990
production, we put it all
together, we try to lead you

3155
03:00:42,990 --> 03:00:46,890
into places where we think it'll
be interesting. That's what we

3156
03:00:46,890 --> 03:00:51,060
do. But it really is. It's, I
hate the word, but it's a

3157
03:00:51,060 --> 03:00:51,720
community.

3158
03:00:51,930 --> 03:00:53,490
Yeah, you don't hate the word,
you're full of it.

3159
03:00:54,750 --> 03:00:58,440
It's like one of those words as
a good word. Okay. It's a

3160
03:00:58,440 --> 03:01:01,860
community. And everyone's a part
of it. And, and I like

3161
03:01:01,860 --> 03:01:02,220
everyone's

3162
03:01:02,220 --> 03:01:05,400
a part of it. And they this
next, over the next year or so

3163
03:01:05,400 --> 03:01:08,130
we're going to try to create the
more meetups so people can have

3164
03:01:08,130 --> 03:01:11,340
their little get togethers
because it turns out and we've

3165
03:01:11,340 --> 03:01:14,130
both witnessed this is that if
you're out with the no agenda

3166
03:01:14,130 --> 03:01:18,000
community in anywhere from
Michigan, to Tennessee, to

3167
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:18,660
wherever, and there's

3168
03:01:19,380 --> 03:01:21,420
Moscow, Moscow, you need

3169
03:01:21,750 --> 03:01:24,660
a few of them gather. A few of
them gather together, and they

3170
03:01:24,660 --> 03:01:28,380
all like each other. Yeah, it's
like it's like a social thing.

3171
03:01:28,710 --> 03:01:31,770
Because anyone who listens to no
agenda will have a certain take

3172
03:01:31,770 --> 03:01:34,380
on the world. And that take on
the world, a fixture personality

3173
03:01:34,380 --> 03:01:37,350
and just the way that other
people who listen to no agenda

3174
03:01:37,530 --> 03:01:40,170
usually end up liking each
other. So it's a, we could

3175
03:01:40,170 --> 03:01:43,350
create a lot of long lasting
friendships, if we put a lot

3176
03:01:43,350 --> 03:01:45,870
more effort into that part of
it. And I think we're going to

3177
03:01:46,260 --> 03:01:48,030
attempt to do more. And

3178
03:01:48,120 --> 03:01:53,970
certainly I plan to be on the
road. In the in the coming fall.

3179
03:01:54,270 --> 03:01:57,900
I plan. I still want to do my
trip to the Sacramento train

3180
03:01:57,900 --> 03:02:03,390
museum on the Amtrak. Nice,
great, everybody gets on the

3181
03:02:03,390 --> 03:02:08,340
train, chugging through
Sacramento, and we all go to the

3182
03:02:08,340 --> 03:02:11,550
train museum, look around, meet
up having lunch in Sacramento

3183
03:02:11,550 --> 03:02:13,770
and then jump on the train and
go back or stay there whether

3184
03:02:13,920 --> 03:02:15,960
anyone wants to do I think it'd
be fantastic.

3185
03:02:18,750 --> 03:02:20,370
Planes ban.

3186
03:02:21,390 --> 03:02:24,330
We pick up everyone from from
San Jose up through the

3187
03:02:24,360 --> 03:02:26,370
peninsula through San Francisco
ng on

3188
03:02:26,460 --> 03:02:29,790
nice. Well, I think I think we I
think we did it.

3189
03:02:30,269 --> 03:02:32,639
I think so plus out my stroke.
Yes.

3190
03:02:32,670 --> 03:02:36,660
I said this is another one of
those things on the board. For

3191
03:02:36,660 --> 03:02:40,110
the Oh, yes, of course. For
those of you who had the

3192
03:02:40,110 --> 03:02:43,950
opportunity to listen to the
show live has its own merit and

3193
03:02:43,980 --> 03:02:48,780
is interesting. Certainly if
you're in the chat room, and not

3194
03:02:48,810 --> 03:02:52,260
not everybody knows that
probably half an hour before we

3195
03:02:52,260 --> 03:02:57,090
start live. There's a pre stream
and you know, play songs and

3196
03:02:57,090 --> 03:02:59,220
some of the sometimes even
things we'll be playing in the

3197
03:02:59,220 --> 03:03:02,520
show itself. We've got some
longer jingles or things that

3198
03:03:02,520 --> 03:03:04,500
have been sent in and it's a
it's kind of a for me,

3199
03:03:04,500 --> 03:03:10,890
personally, I like it. Yeah, to
get all hyped up and pumped up.

3200
03:03:10,920 --> 03:03:14,640
That's right, pumped up and
ready for the show. Okay, so the

3201
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:18,330
next program that'll be your two
interviews with Scully and how

3202
03:03:19,020 --> 03:03:21,360
did you say hail apples, John
Sculley.

3203
03:03:22,800 --> 03:03:25,380
I didn't dream up hail Apple
until after I did that

3204
03:03:25,380 --> 03:03:28,290
interview. It's too bad. It's
too I went to the Apple store

3205
03:03:28,320 --> 03:03:30,510
locally here though. And I got
recognized by two or three of

3206
03:03:30,510 --> 03:03:34,410
these Apple guys. And I brought
up the hail apple. Did they like

3207
03:03:34,410 --> 03:03:35,610
it? They didn't get it?

3208
03:03:37,290 --> 03:03:40,890
Well, I'll say hail apple. John.
I've raised my arm. Hail Apple

3209
03:03:40,890 --> 03:03:44,130
to you. Coming to you from the
crackpot condo here in FEMA

3210
03:03:44,130 --> 03:03:47,130
Region six in downtown Austin,
Texas in the morning, everybody.

3211
03:03:47,130 --> 03:03:47,880
I'm Adam curry,

3212
03:03:47,940 --> 03:03:51,450
and from Northern Silicon
Valley, where I remain. I'm John

3213
03:03:51,450 --> 03:03:52,470
C. Dvorak. We'll

3214
03:03:52,470 --> 03:03:56,940
be back with the interview show
next week on 737. Adios mofos

3215
03:04:00,630 --> 03:04:02,160
All right. Yay.

3216
03:04:02,939 --> 03:04:06,539
You heard Okay, so what we did,
and we're back now this is 2.8

3217
03:04:06,539 --> 03:04:09,089
You're hearing us? It's not like
we're not in and out and in and

3218
03:04:09,089 --> 03:04:13,499
out. Yeah, this is the this is
us before the next Sunday show.

3219
03:04:14,309 --> 03:04:19,379
And what do you have for notes?
I have some notes that I'd love

3220
03:04:19,379 --> 03:04:22,829
to hear him. Let's hear your
notes. I noticed that there was

3221
03:04:22,829 --> 03:04:26,759
the word there's something about
punch the donkey. That was in

3222
03:04:26,759 --> 03:04:31,169
the Winnie in the bud show. Ah,
yeah. And I when I heard it the

3223
03:04:31,169 --> 03:04:34,859
second time, or the third time
the fourth time, I realized it

3224
03:04:34,859 --> 03:04:37,199
was the sexual innuendo the
donkey punch and

3225
03:04:37,380 --> 03:04:42,030
that that came up one time on
the show actually, maybe back in

3226
03:04:42,030 --> 03:04:46,110
the two hundreds there. Were you
I recall you mentioning the

3227
03:04:46,110 --> 03:04:49,260
donkey punch or something then I
just remember getting a lot of

3228
03:04:49,260 --> 03:04:51,540
email explaining what it is.
It's not good.

3229
03:04:52,560 --> 03:04:55,680
No, no, no, no, no, it's not
good. But that would be just

3230
03:04:55,680 --> 03:05:00,330
Seth MacFarlane is kind of
humor. I also know Okay, let's

3231
03:05:00,330 --> 03:05:02,310
go over these things from the
beginning to the end. I got,

3232
03:05:02,580 --> 03:05:08,400
like we said a lot of en knows,
ya know, there's some bow radio

3233
03:05:08,400 --> 03:05:11,760
stations. I put a note here, but
I put it early when I listen to

3234
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:15,060
this thing. So I forgot what
that means. Comments on time,

3235
03:05:15,060 --> 03:05:20,070
some overall style but box
French fresh roll. Yeah, you

3236
03:05:20,070 --> 03:05:24,000
were talking about or somebody
was talking about working at

3237
03:05:26,370 --> 03:05:29,760
with the Kindle, Kevin Wendell.
And you saw He's a producer, a

3238
03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:30,570
fox some of

3239
03:05:30,570 --> 03:05:35,250
our lives actually. Now he, and
I want to restate that because I

3240
03:05:35,250 --> 03:05:39,360
heard that too. He started not
Fox News. But what he called the

3241
03:05:39,360 --> 03:05:43,680
coat hanger network. He was
intimately involved in putting

3242
03:05:43,680 --> 03:05:46,830
together all that because Fox
wasn't a network, per se. It

3243
03:05:46,830 --> 03:05:49,950
started they bought, why they
buy it over like UHF stations

3244
03:05:49,950 --> 03:05:52,770
and all these crazy stations,
they were buying up. And that's

3245
03:05:52,770 --> 03:05:55,230
why it was called the coat
hanger network when it was was a

3246
03:05:55,230 --> 03:05:55,980
part of that as

3247
03:05:56,790 --> 03:06:00,090
well as his main thing was he
was the producer of Fresh Prince

3248
03:06:00,090 --> 03:06:00,660
of Bel Air.

3249
03:06:01,500 --> 03:06:04,380
Right? What wasn't a Quincy
Jones?

3250
03:06:06,330 --> 03:06:11,250
window was was the the cycle. He
was like a producer actually

3251
03:06:11,250 --> 03:06:15,930
worked like the show runner. He
may have been the showrunner. I

3252
03:06:16,410 --> 03:06:18,510
don't know that he was but he
was one of the guys that was

3253
03:06:18,510 --> 03:06:20,520
actually working on like Quincy
Jones, who was like the

3254
03:06:20,520 --> 03:06:23,250
executive producer, like we, you
know, that just you know, has

3255
03:06:24,450 --> 03:06:27,690
financial, that importance.

3256
03:06:27,780 --> 03:06:31,080
What was harder for me it was
that we both realize that we had

3257
03:06:31,080 --> 03:06:35,880
done the pilot for CNET. And we
both had declined the millions

3258
03:06:35,880 --> 03:06:37,830
of the stock.

3259
03:06:39,030 --> 03:06:41,910
And that was a mistake. John
said that was

3260
03:06:41,970 --> 03:06:45,750
you took stock. I took stock. I
didn't get that kind of stock.

3261
03:06:45,750 --> 03:06:49,080
But I took stock and I sold it
rather quickly. I was and I was

3262
03:06:49,080 --> 03:06:51,450
like you I didn't have any
confidence in this. Right? All

3263
03:06:51,450 --> 03:06:53,460
right. That was a mistake.

3264
03:06:53,490 --> 03:06:56,640
Yes. It was a mistake. We might
bite us. But we might not have

3265
03:06:56,640 --> 03:06:56,970
been doing

3266
03:06:56,970 --> 03:07:01,740
this show I can give you. We've
read No. In half of these deals

3267
03:07:01,740 --> 03:07:04,890
that we dropped. We didn't do or
you didn't do it right. Or lost

3268
03:07:04,890 --> 03:07:08,820
money doing something else. We
wouldn't be doing this show.

3269
03:07:09,090 --> 03:07:15,570
Yeah, you're right. Import sound
silence. East Asia, this thesis

3270
03:07:15,570 --> 03:07:18,120
about sound going dead. This is
good sound.

3271
03:07:18,390 --> 03:07:22,080
Oh, yeah. No, that that's the
thesis of the noise gate, which

3272
03:07:22,080 --> 03:07:28,530
we only started using the past
couple of 100 shows. And I like

3273
03:07:28,650 --> 03:07:32,040
it. So when we don't when we
both are quiet, and it's all in

3274
03:07:32,040 --> 03:07:35,430
digital, then there is zero
signal. There's not a single bit

3275
03:07:35,430 --> 03:07:41,100
of anything being recorded. It's
just zero, nothing. No. And I

3276
03:07:41,100 --> 03:07:45,450
like it. Because I know that
when we end we're very good at

3277
03:07:45,450 --> 03:07:48,750
it. But it's natural. We don't
set out to do it. When we don't

3278
03:07:48,750 --> 03:07:51,660
talk for like that half a second
too long. It gets everyone's

3279
03:07:51,660 --> 03:07:58,800
attention like oh, did something
like? So I like that I decided I

3280
03:07:58,800 --> 03:08:01,860
learned that from Scott Shannon.
He said silence is one of the

3281
03:08:01,860 --> 03:08:05,850
best things. Let's let the room
breathe for a minute. You'll

3282
03:08:05,850 --> 03:08:07,980
have to look up Scott Shannon,
if you don't know who he is.

3283
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:10,950
Look him up. He's my radio
mentor.

3284
03:08:12,510 --> 03:08:16,530
amenable personality distinguish
good? That is more important

3285
03:08:16,530 --> 03:08:19,290
than people like to think and we
don't. And we don't see each

3286
03:08:19,290 --> 03:08:21,630
other. And I think it's good. I
think we'd get if we were

3287
03:08:21,630 --> 03:08:27,360
actually we this show would have
not gone towards show 900 If we

3288
03:08:27,360 --> 03:08:29,580
had been in the same studio,

3289
03:08:30,420 --> 03:08:32,460
it certainly wouldn't have been
the same show. I agree.

3290
03:08:33,060 --> 03:08:35,550
No, wouldn't be the same show.
And I wouldn't be I don't even

3291
03:08:35,550 --> 03:08:38,340
know we could get that far.
Because I believe that this

3292
03:08:38,340 --> 03:08:43,770
won't happen Martin and Lewis,
you can do get pretty far with a

3293
03:08:43,800 --> 03:08:48,480
long distance relationship. If
it's if it's paying the bills

3294
03:08:48,480 --> 03:08:51,090
and doing all these things, but
if it's a short distance

3295
03:08:51,090 --> 03:08:54,180
relationship, it's so you're
seeing the guy all the time.

3296
03:08:54,210 --> 03:08:57,480
Yeah, yeah, we'd get on your
nerves because people have, you

3297
03:08:57,480 --> 03:09:02,430
know, especially older guys, you
have certain habits and it just

3298
03:09:02,430 --> 03:09:06,840
would get on your nerves, go
drive me nuts. And we made a

3299
03:09:06,840 --> 03:09:09,720
point or actually, you made the
bigger point about it. We don't

3300
03:09:09,720 --> 03:09:12,210
even want to even see each
other. We can't do the show in

3301
03:09:12,210 --> 03:09:15,000
the same room. Because when you
work with somebody for a long

3302
03:09:15,000 --> 03:09:17,220
time, and this is fully
understood by anyone doesn't do

3303
03:09:17,220 --> 03:09:22,350
stuff like this, is that you cue
off each other. And you see that

3304
03:09:22,350 --> 03:09:26,550
oh, okay. I think I think okay,
and you're cueing off the guy's

3305
03:09:26,580 --> 03:09:30,870
you know, he's making a face or
he's always is maybe pauses are,

3306
03:09:31,080 --> 03:09:33,570
I mean, the greatest thing you
can do if you want to cue off

3307
03:09:33,570 --> 03:09:37,260
each other radio, you can be
talking and then the guy picks

3308
03:09:37,260 --> 03:09:39,450
it up and he starts talking a
little bit and he instead of

3309
03:09:39,450 --> 03:09:43,530
cueing you with a kind of the
right kind of a lead into you

3310
03:09:43,530 --> 03:09:47,040
playing a clip, for example. You
just make a hand signal. Right?

3311
03:09:47,070 --> 03:09:50,430
Right. We don't have that luxury
and that we don't have that

3312
03:09:50,430 --> 03:09:53,970
luxury. So we have to work on
these other ways of cueing it

3313
03:09:53,970 --> 03:09:57,090
only works about it works a lot
but it works 70 I think he's

3314
03:09:57,090 --> 03:10:00,120
maybe 30% of the time they fail.
Yeah, but nobody cares. So,

3315
03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:05,249
to this day, I get people
saying, Wow, how many people do

3316
03:10:05,249 --> 03:10:07,829
you have running the show?
Because your clip is so tight

3317
03:10:07,829 --> 03:10:10,499
and it's right on top of each
other and the clips are really

3318
03:10:10,499 --> 03:10:16,469
tight. It's not always always
tight. It's not that I know a

3319
03:10:18,089 --> 03:10:20,009
little bit more critical but
yeah.

3320
03:10:21,840 --> 03:10:26,760
started the show gag was funny.
For producer went on because

3321
03:10:26,760 --> 03:10:30,270
Frank wrote to stamp producer
not elaborate not not elaborated

3322
03:10:30,270 --> 03:10:32,310
or something. I'm not sure what
that means. I don't know what

3323
03:10:32,310 --> 03:10:36,330
that is. Producer lenient, but I
got a star thing here draw back

3324
03:10:36,360 --> 03:10:38,850
to benefits. I don't even know
what that means. This is

3325
03:10:38,850 --> 03:10:41,640
terrible. Yeah, this is like me
going. Remember the early shows

3326
03:10:41,640 --> 03:10:42,990
used to read my notes? And

3327
03:10:42,990 --> 03:10:47,550
yeah, lasted about 10 episodes.
Because I couldn't read it. I

3328
03:10:47,550 --> 03:10:48,870
can't read my notes.

3329
03:10:49,740 --> 03:10:52,140
People complained. Oh, yeah, the
fact of the matter

3330
03:10:52,140 --> 03:10:55,290
way, way, a lot of a lot of fact
of the matter.

3331
03:10:55,710 --> 03:11:01,980
We talked about that 207 is even
something immediate origins of

3332
03:11:01,980 --> 03:11:04,320
mediate deconstruction, I don't
know the

3333
03:11:05,370 --> 03:11:07,890
overs going back to what you
were talking about the hand

3334
03:11:07,890 --> 03:11:12,150
signals. So we force ourselves
really to listen to each other.

3335
03:11:13,980 --> 03:11:16,260
In order to get the subtle cues,
or,

3336
03:11:16,619 --> 03:11:18,809
well, you know, this is really,

3337
03:11:18,870 --> 03:11:22,710
this is really, you know, no, it
goes because I don't need a cue.

3338
03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:22,860
I

3339
03:11:22,860 --> 03:11:26,130
mean, I can just jump in, I'll
just step behind you. I mean, I

3340
03:11:26,130 --> 03:11:30,630
don't need to hit a button on
it. With a clip I've got coming

3341
03:11:30,660 --> 03:11:32,940
up, you're the one that has to
really pick up on the cues more

3342
03:11:32,940 --> 03:11:36,000
than I do. I don't I don't think
I'm under that much pressure.

3343
03:11:36,900 --> 03:11:43,110
It's, well, maybe not. But when
either one of us has a thing we

3344
03:11:43,110 --> 03:11:47,490
want to set up and discuss. I
think in the past couple of

3345
03:11:47,490 --> 03:11:51,180
years, we've gotten much better
at understanding Okay, he's got

3346
03:11:51,180 --> 03:11:53,100
to think because we don't
discuss any of this i You don't

3347
03:11:53,100 --> 03:11:56,520
tell me hey, I got a package or
I got a couple clips in a row or

3348
03:11:56,700 --> 03:12:02,400
yourself I want to do and
sometimes we we misunderstand

3349
03:12:02,400 --> 03:12:06,030
but to me, really. And this is
brought up in the in those

3350
03:12:06,030 --> 03:12:10,860
previous point shows. It is all
theater of the mind. It is all

3351
03:12:11,190 --> 03:12:14,010
Yeah, it is all encompassing.
And I think it's what would

3352
03:12:14,010 --> 03:12:18,180
podcast when we're in someone's
head, typically on the on the

3353
03:12:18,180 --> 03:12:21,300
earbuds although I don't know if
that's if that's the typical way

3354
03:12:21,300 --> 03:12:24,510
people listen to anymore things,
a lot of Bluetooth in the car

3355
03:12:24,510 --> 03:12:27,120
and stuff like that, but it is
but if you're listening on

3356
03:12:27,120 --> 03:12:31,770
headphones or earbuds, it's
important. It all matters and

3357
03:12:31,770 --> 03:12:37,680
listening is a skill that is
diminishing in our world

3358
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:42,780
today. I would think so. Yeah.
Well, because people are always

3359
03:12:42,780 --> 03:12:43,500
on their phone.

3360
03:12:45,750 --> 03:12:48,690
Exactly. And you still haven't
learned a song on your

3361
03:12:48,690 --> 03:12:51,540
harmonica. Hey, shows.

3362
03:12:52,950 --> 03:12:57,930
I haven't played the harmonica
for more than 400 shows. I'm

3363
03:12:57,930 --> 03:13:00,540
still trying to what I'm trying
to do with the harmonica is I'm

3364
03:13:00,540 --> 03:13:03,510
trying to understand completely
the harmonic and the different I

3365
03:13:03,510 --> 03:13:07,800
have a bunch of different ones
in different keys. And I want to

3366
03:13:07,800 --> 03:13:17,130
be able to do little harmonica
hits. Ah yes and so I get the

3367
03:13:17,130 --> 03:13:19,380
feel for it. And then I get I
got up I've already got got the

3368
03:13:19,380 --> 03:13:23,700
definitive book on how to play
songs on a harmonica. How one of

3369
03:13:23,700 --> 03:13:24,660
these days I'm gonna surprise

3370
03:13:25,950 --> 03:13:34,710
okay. We had the one. We didn't
discuss this properly. On the

3371
03:13:34,710 --> 03:13:38,340
end of the show so far. The
hookers and blow anecdote and

3372
03:13:38,340 --> 03:13:42,900
the people who say hookers and
blow it says rude. I didn't

3373
03:13:42,900 --> 03:13:45,450
mention this. But one of the
people that objected to was one

3374
03:13:45,450 --> 03:13:49,140
of our first and earliest
dame's. They said she was an

3375
03:13:49,140 --> 03:13:55,680
older woman. And still is I
guess. And she didn't know that

3376
03:13:55,680 --> 03:13:58,260
blow meant cocaine. Oh, she

3377
03:13:58,260 --> 03:14:02,100
thought it was blow job. Yeah,
that's what she saw was rude.

3378
03:14:02,340 --> 03:14:06,090
Oh, well, like hookers like
cocaine and hookers isn't rude.

3379
03:14:06,090 --> 03:14:06,690
But okay.

3380
03:14:07,260 --> 03:14:08,760
Well, not compared to blow jobs.

3381
03:14:11,100 --> 03:14:13,170
And that's and that's it. I
wonder how many people think

3382
03:14:13,170 --> 03:14:17,040
that that's a good question.
Yeah, but it's, for me. It's a

3383
03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:20,220
music industry term. It's like a
joke that we've been going

3384
03:14:20,220 --> 03:14:23,490
around for 100 years. Yeah, lots
ogres and blow though. I mean,

3385
03:14:23,490 --> 03:14:24,690
it's just it's been around.

3386
03:14:25,980 --> 03:14:28,860
Yeah, it's a music industry term
because that's, you know, and

3387
03:14:28,860 --> 03:14:29,580
limos.

3388
03:14:30,810 --> 03:14:36,930
limos who has a limo anymore?
Well, they used to fools used to

3389
03:14:36,930 --> 03:14:40,980
be a big deal. Now it's the
Escalade. Oh, they used to

3390
03:14:41,010 --> 03:14:44,340
fools. Used to be a big deal.
This limo. Now it's the

3391
03:14:44,340 --> 03:14:45,030
Escalade.

3392
03:14:46,320 --> 03:14:48,810
Now, here's a couple of things
you interrupt when you're

3393
03:14:48,810 --> 03:14:51,180
talking about the open source
model but you did come back to

3394
03:14:51,180 --> 03:14:54,150
it but I wanted to discuss
something they actually came up

3395
03:14:54,150 --> 03:14:56,970
with that joke letter that
you've gotten read about us

3396
03:14:56,970 --> 03:15:05,970
being you know supposed to do
something The Iron Tux I've

3397
03:15:05,970 --> 03:15:08,160
explained before on various
shows I'm going to sit explain

3398
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:11,580
again why we developed the model
we have for for this show. I

3399
03:15:12,630 --> 03:15:16,290
think I forgot to point out this
really kind of we present an

3400
03:15:16,320 --> 03:15:18,600
eavesdropping shows two guys
talking to each other you get to

3401
03:15:18,630 --> 03:15:21,690
listen in to Goddess listens in
and then they say get anything

3402
03:15:21,690 --> 03:15:26,310
out of it, they hopefully donate
and contribute to the show. It's

3403
03:15:26,850 --> 03:15:29,670
just a number of things I've
noticed going through, I don't

3404
03:15:29,670 --> 03:15:34,620
know decade or more of doing
television, cable stuff and, and

3405
03:15:34,620 --> 03:15:39,150
other blogs are the end than
cable internet stuff is that

3406
03:15:39,150 --> 03:15:42,870
when you have a have to have
people on the show, this is why

3407
03:15:42,870 --> 03:15:46,020
we refuse to have people on the
show, we do not interview

3408
03:15:46,020 --> 03:15:49,650
anybody. Or if we did interview
somebody I would do for example,

3409
03:15:49,920 --> 03:15:53,520
and it standalone interview that
would be used as a filler show,

3410
03:15:53,520 --> 03:15:56,640
we've done this a couple of
times. And we would run it just

3411
03:15:56,640 --> 03:15:59,730
as a straight interview. Or I
could take a clip from it from

3412
03:15:59,730 --> 03:16:03,660
it. But nobody's coming on the
show to tell us anything. And

3413
03:16:03,660 --> 03:16:06,210
the reason is that over the
years, I've determined that the

3414
03:16:06,210 --> 03:16:09,930
only good show is the show
without guests. Hmm. Which is

3415
03:16:09,930 --> 03:16:13,050
pointed out in that letter. And
the reason for this is a number

3416
03:16:13,050 --> 03:16:17,640
of reasons. And they're all good
reasons. One, you don't have to

3417
03:16:17,640 --> 03:16:22,380
deal with a dud, which happens a
lot. It happens way more than

3418
03:16:22,380 --> 03:16:25,560
you'd think most people are, are
not good guests. They can not

3419
03:16:25,560 --> 03:16:28,440
talk they freeze up or they
don't have anything to say. Or

3420
03:16:28,440 --> 03:16:31,380
they you know, or they're only
only there to promote something,

3421
03:16:31,710 --> 03:16:35,250
or they're only there to promote
stuff. And the second thing

3422
03:16:35,250 --> 03:16:38,070
about not having guest is really
great is that you make it a

3423
03:16:38,070 --> 03:16:42,720
policy. And then you don't get
pestered by every PR woman in

3424
03:16:42,720 --> 03:16:48,330
the world. Oh, my CEOs would be
a great guest on your show. Or,

3425
03:16:48,630 --> 03:16:51,720
by the way you do get them to
stuff that still happens. And

3426
03:16:51,720 --> 03:16:54,300
then you can say to them, so
you've never listened to the

3427
03:16:54,300 --> 03:16:58,470
show. I take it. Yeah. Because
if they're asking if they can

3428
03:16:58,470 --> 03:17:01,950
put their CEO on the show,
they've never heard the show

3429
03:17:01,950 --> 03:17:02,340
ever.

3430
03:17:02,820 --> 03:17:07,800
You know, honestly, for me, I
find your more interesting. Then

3431
03:17:07,830 --> 03:17:08,430
when most

3432
03:17:08,430 --> 03:17:12,540
guests I mean that I want to
talk to some guest. I mean, we

3433
03:17:13,020 --> 03:17:13,470
have done

3434
03:17:13,500 --> 03:17:16,590
1000s We have an agenda and a
show that guests have an agenda

3435
03:17:16,590 --> 03:17:21,780
the show is no agenda. Yes. They
always have an agenda. And

3436
03:17:22,110 --> 03:17:26,220
another thing that's a problem
besides the DIS guessing the

3437
03:17:26,220 --> 03:17:29,400
guest not showing up I know the
problem doesn't show up. Yeah.

3438
03:17:30,150 --> 03:17:33,180
Or he forgets or he can't we
cancelled at the very last

3439
03:17:33,180 --> 03:17:39,630
minute. Michael Arrington failed
to show up at a cranky geek

3440
03:17:39,630 --> 03:17:42,930
show. He's booked everything
time and everything. He was in

3441
03:17:42,960 --> 03:17:46,920
stayed in bed. And he wouldn't
apologize. Wow, there's a guy

3442
03:17:46,920 --> 03:17:51,390
for you. Yeah. So that it all
these and these. This is a

3443
03:17:51,390 --> 03:17:53,070
nightmare and and

3444
03:17:53,100 --> 03:17:56,880
of the timing of it. It's like,
well, we can't do Thursday. Can

3445
03:17:56,880 --> 03:18:01,470
you do Saturday? Can you do
Tuesday and it was all this. But

3446
03:18:01,710 --> 03:18:07,440
to me? I'm not really interested
in them. Just I like hearing

3447
03:18:07,440 --> 03:18:10,290
other people the ask them
questions. And I can use their

3448
03:18:10,290 --> 03:18:12,360
answers the same questions
probably

3449
03:18:14,520 --> 03:18:19,890
clip, a one minute clip, which
is the kind of the nut which is

3450
03:18:19,890 --> 03:18:23,940
another journalism term, which
kind of the nut of somebody's

3451
03:18:23,940 --> 03:18:27,210
interviewed that one thing
that's really interesting, we

3452
03:18:27,210 --> 03:18:31,320
can pull that out and just run
it as a carry use little one

3453
03:18:31,320 --> 03:18:34,440
minute. Exactly. As opposed to
having the guy on the show for

3454
03:18:34,440 --> 03:18:37,440
30 minutes. And if you listen to
these guys, we watch all this

3455
03:18:37,440 --> 03:18:40,260
stuff through C span and Charlie
Rose and all these other guys.

3456
03:18:40,800 --> 03:18:45,120
It's mostly blather, bad lab,
lab, lab labs, nothing and then

3457
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:48,210
there's maybe something good and
we can pull that it's a much

3458
03:18:48,210 --> 03:18:50,220
better approach. It is.

3459
03:18:50,880 --> 03:18:57,750
It's kind of peeve of mine.
Yeah, it's kind of the maybe

3460
03:18:57,750 --> 03:19:00,300
not, it's a little bit like The
Daily Show. But I think we were

3461
03:19:00,300 --> 03:19:03,780
doing this a lot earlier. And
because it's audio clips, we can

3462
03:19:03,780 --> 03:19:06,450
do so much more. We're not
limited. We're not limited in

3463
03:19:06,450 --> 03:19:10,620
general by a whole bunch of
things that television does. But

3464
03:19:10,620 --> 03:19:14,220
just to you know, just tube and
we look we deconstruct media

3465
03:19:14,220 --> 03:19:17,310
with it. It says it right there
on the packaging, that is what

3466
03:19:17,310 --> 03:19:20,250
we do. So we look at media, we
don't have to necessarily

3467
03:19:20,250 --> 03:19:23,520
deconstruct people, although
that's also fun, and deconstruct

3468
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:25,620
words and things people say you
know, like

3469
03:19:25,620 --> 03:19:29,160
that a lot. Actually, that's a
good point. We don't deconstruct

3470
03:19:29,160 --> 03:19:34,350
people we deconstruct media and
interviews are people. So we

3471
03:19:34,350 --> 03:19:37,380
also should mention that we won
the podcasting awards so that

3472
03:19:37,380 --> 03:19:39,840
running gag that we're never
going to win an award is over

3473
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:41,850
and we didn't mention that
because it wasn't done by show

3474
03:19:41,850 --> 03:19:42,630
200.7

3475
03:19:42,780 --> 03:19:45,360
And let me go polish up my
award. Oh, I'm sorry. There is

3476
03:19:45,360 --> 03:19:48,690
no award it's just it says the
title there's no actual trophy.

3477
03:19:49,470 --> 03:19:52,920
Well, there is if somebody's
does what they said they were

3478
03:19:52,920 --> 03:19:58,530
going to do. Mainstream by the
way,

3479
03:19:59,220 --> 03:20:01,440
let's take a listen. On the open
source model for a moment,

3480
03:20:01,440 --> 03:20:04,590
because I can't reiterate that
enough and right here by see

3481
03:20:04,590 --> 03:20:09,330
questions coming in, the whole
idea is, and we started off very

3482
03:20:09,330 --> 03:20:12,630
early by please copy the show,
put it anywhere you want, you

3483
03:20:12,630 --> 03:20:16,170
know, we'd like for you to put
the whole show in one place, not

3484
03:20:16,170 --> 03:20:21,030
cut it up, but reblog it, reblog
it, retweet it. But also, you

3485
03:20:21,030 --> 03:20:25,710
know, and I think this was early
days when bandwidth to Australia

3486
03:20:25,710 --> 03:20:29,850
was particularly problematic.
We'd have people create low,

3487
03:20:29,880 --> 03:20:33,240
very low bandwidth version. So
it wouldn't kill people's data

3488
03:20:33,240 --> 03:20:36,030
caps in other parts of the
world, right? I forgot about

3489
03:20:36,030 --> 03:20:39,750
Yeah, we had we had anyway, the
Lo Fi stream, all kinds of stuff

3490
03:20:39,750 --> 03:20:46,350
like that. And anything you want
to use, it's okay. The same goes

3491
03:20:46,350 --> 03:20:49,380
for the branding for the logo,
you want to create the

3492
03:20:49,380 --> 03:20:51,960
merchandise sell again, we hope
would be nice. If you gave us a

3493
03:20:51,960 --> 03:20:57,930
piece of it, that'd be great.
It's not a prerequisite. And the

3494
03:20:57,930 --> 03:21:03,630
only thing that I stopped doing
is putting, publishing the

3495
03:21:03,630 --> 03:21:07,350
jingles that we have. Because I
got really sick of hearing our

3496
03:21:07,350 --> 03:21:10,920
jingles on every other podcast
with no attribution. And hi,

3497
03:21:10,920 --> 03:21:15,870
it's not funny Alec now that's
not cool. So I didn't want to

3498
03:21:15,870 --> 03:21:18,270
make that too easy. But there's
lots of people who who cut stuff

3499
03:21:18,270 --> 03:21:21,570
out of the show and collect them
like phone boy, he does that. So

3500
03:21:21,600 --> 03:21:25,260
we feel that everything except
for our likeness, our own Adam

3501
03:21:25,260 --> 03:21:28,110
and John likeness, everything is
pretty much fair game. And we'd

3502
03:21:28,110 --> 03:21:32,460
like you, we encourage people to
do that because it is a part of

3503
03:21:32,460 --> 03:21:35,700
our distribution. And then
there's it's, there's a YouTube

3504
03:21:35,730 --> 03:21:38,340
version made every show and
there's all kinds of things that

3505
03:21:38,340 --> 03:21:42,360
are that are then sometimes they
go away they fail. There's tons

3506
03:21:42,360 --> 03:21:48,240
of of I mean, seriously tons of
extra sites and websites and

3507
03:21:48,240 --> 03:21:51,990
initiatives that people start
sometimes they've they peter

3508
03:21:51,990 --> 03:21:55,800
out, but often they they keep
going like no agenda book club

3509
03:21:55,800 --> 03:22:00,600
is still they're still going
strong. And in return. I'm

3510
03:22:00,600 --> 03:22:00,990
sorry,

3511
03:22:01,920 --> 03:22:04,980
say with the movie club is
defunct, it's a riot.

3512
03:22:05,640 --> 03:22:09,450
And in return, since we realize
that there's no way we could

3513
03:22:09,450 --> 03:22:12,060
ever, I think probably started
like no one's going to advertise

3514
03:22:12,060 --> 03:22:14,550
on the show. And I think we had
our doubts about advertising on

3515
03:22:14,550 --> 03:22:18,390
podcasts in general. But I said
no one will advertise on this

3516
03:22:18,390 --> 03:22:24,330
that'll that'll never work for
us. And we decided to introduce

3517
03:22:24,330 --> 03:22:28,140
the value for value model, which
Hey, did you get some value from

3518
03:22:28,140 --> 03:22:31,950
listening to us, which we
continuously hear it helps

3519
03:22:31,950 --> 03:22:35,370
people deal with the bull crap
of being particularly these days

3520
03:22:35,370 --> 03:22:40,080
inundated with making them ill
physically ill mentally

3521
03:22:40,080 --> 03:22:43,590
and a lot of people get sick
listening to the news. They get

3522
03:22:43,590 --> 03:22:47,280
confused. They get this the
cognitive dissonance and they

3523
03:22:47,280 --> 03:22:50,460
have this horrible look on their
face develops. I was watching a

3524
03:22:51,000 --> 03:22:55,260
democracy now and they had Chris
Hedges that kind of communist is

3525
03:22:55,260 --> 03:22:58,950
very interesting guy to listen
to most of the time and against

3526
03:22:58,950 --> 03:23:02,670
this guy that Paul rule was that
Reuben was that short read a

3527
03:23:02,670 --> 03:23:05,100
very short Department of Labor
guy that used to be in the

3528
03:23:05,100 --> 03:23:08,730
Clinton administration is now
teaching a cow and his name is

3529
03:23:08,760 --> 03:23:13,380
eluding me but he was on and he
was so he was a Bernie supporter

3530
03:23:13,380 --> 03:23:16,770
but he's Oh, he's all in for
Clinton and and hedges doesn't

3531
03:23:16,830 --> 03:23:19,740
he says it's all bull crap
hedges actually. I'm trying to

3532
03:23:19,740 --> 03:23:23,610
get a quote for future show. But
hedges says what doesn't make

3533
03:23:23,610 --> 03:23:26,820
any difference if Hillary wins
or if Trump wins is the system

3534
03:23:26,820 --> 03:23:30,000
is the system is they can't do
anything about it. And there's

3535
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:32,100
not going to be any change in
this and that and he listed all

3536
03:23:32,100 --> 03:23:33,750
these things it's I don't see
why anyone would get worked to

3537
03:23:33,750 --> 03:23:37,920
be look a lot more relaxed than
this poor character from Cal.

3538
03:23:38,070 --> 03:23:45,570
Oh, yes. Looks like he's wearing
it on his face. Yeah. It's just

3539
03:23:45,570 --> 03:23:50,190
and I think a lot of people end
up wearing on their face as with

3540
03:23:50,190 --> 03:23:54,480
immediate immediate does does a
pre a pre at ages, you it causes

3541
03:23:54,720 --> 03:23:57,660
your can cause you to be
confused, you can't think

3542
03:23:57,660 --> 03:24:00,810
straight. So terrible business.
In fact, that came up while

3543
03:24:00,810 --> 03:24:03,720
listening to the shows. I came
up with another new little

3544
03:24:03,720 --> 03:24:07,020
phrase that we can use once in a
while, which is the mainstream

3545
03:24:07,020 --> 03:24:14,340
media is not your friend. I like
it. They're not Yeah, they're

3546
03:24:14,340 --> 03:24:19,200
not they're evil. Yes, totally
evil. It's like Evil Corp.

3547
03:24:19,530 --> 03:24:25,230
And the then I cannot reiterate
enough, again, that we truly

3548
03:24:25,230 --> 03:24:28,200
consider people who are
listening in because that's what

3549
03:24:28,200 --> 03:24:33,510
it is you're listening in. There
are producers, you are producing

3550
03:24:33,510 --> 03:24:36,660
the show. And I think that is
the big secret and I can't

3551
03:24:36,660 --> 03:24:41,370
really explain how it happened
or why it happened or, or you

3552
03:24:41,370 --> 03:24:48,120
know how that came to be. But I
feel that the majority of our

3553
03:24:48,120 --> 03:24:50,850
listeners do feel like they're
producers and that's not

3554
03:24:50,850 --> 03:24:53,550
necessarily financial support.
That's all kinds of support

3555
03:24:53,550 --> 03:24:56,100
that's going out and promoting
us as a million different ways

3556
03:24:56,100 --> 03:24:58,650
people can help and they find
new and interesting and

3557
03:24:58,650 --> 03:25:03,300
innovative ways to do that. So
you are deemed a producer. And

3558
03:25:03,360 --> 03:25:06,510
you're that's the NPR should
have figured that out decades

3559
03:25:06,510 --> 03:25:11,670
ago. But instead, they're still
doing the Hey, send us 10 bucks,

3560
03:25:11,670 --> 03:25:13,770
we'll give you a tote bag which
it's just not it doesn't give

3561
03:25:13,770 --> 03:25:15,810
you the same vibe, you're not
really a part of the

3562
03:25:15,810 --> 03:25:16,710
programming.

3563
03:25:17,070 --> 03:25:21,600
It's like send a guess and that
loser a tote bag and a coffee

3564
03:25:21,600 --> 03:25:28,800
mug. Now the we didn't mention
our original artists was Paul T.

3565
03:25:28,800 --> 03:25:32,160
And Randy Asher was pulled on
tour who came in later right and

3566
03:25:32,160 --> 03:25:33,060
did the website

3567
03:25:34,230 --> 03:25:37,110
which has no agenda Art
Generator dot and he did he

3568
03:25:37,140 --> 03:25:39,720
designed the arrange the
original ring and a couple of

3569
03:25:39,720 --> 03:25:43,530
other things he did before he
kind of quit everything but the

3570
03:25:43,530 --> 03:25:50,520
website. And we now we have
probably, I think a core cache

3571
03:25:50,520 --> 03:25:56,910
of about six artists, perhaps
more. You know, led by a series

3572
03:25:56,910 --> 03:26:01,410
of wins by J, Martin J, J and
Nick to rat and then we have

3573
03:26:01,620 --> 03:26:02,970
some more professional

3574
03:26:03,780 --> 03:26:07,500
guys like Mark G who have come
out of work artists and

3575
03:26:08,580 --> 03:26:11,580
other guys that do just
tremendous, tremendous work,

3576
03:26:11,610 --> 03:26:17,580
there was a list somewhere of
the number of accepted artwork

3577
03:26:17,700 --> 03:26:21,330
for the covers. And it's
interesting because everybody

3578
03:26:21,360 --> 03:26:26,100
kind of gets in every so often.
If this they try hard enough.

3579
03:26:27,660 --> 03:26:31,020
But there's still a few guys
would kind of dominate the scene

3580
03:26:31,020 --> 03:26:35,820
because of the the gist of some
of these artworks is like

3581
03:26:35,820 --> 03:26:40,140
exactly what we're looking for.
It's hard to explain. And I want

3582
03:26:40,140 --> 03:26:43,650
to remind anyone, some budding
artists, and Martin JJ was

3583
03:26:43,650 --> 03:26:48,120
probably one of the most is he
submitted probably more than

3584
03:26:48,120 --> 03:26:53,460
anyone, historically. And I
think he went for years without

3585
03:26:53,460 --> 03:26:56,910
anything getting picked up,
right. And then all of a sudden,

3586
03:26:56,910 --> 03:26:59,970
he caught some change. And this
happens when this happens in

3587
03:26:59,970 --> 03:27:02,610
everything that's happened as a
neural network of the brain.

3588
03:27:02,880 --> 03:27:05,250
This happens if you're a bowler,
this happens if you're a

3589
03:27:05,250 --> 03:27:08,490
pitcher, it just happens in
sports a lot. All of a sudden,

3590
03:27:08,490 --> 03:27:11,130
something changes in you now
you're good, because you've

3591
03:27:11,130 --> 03:27:13,470
practiced a lot. And he's
essentially practice like, then

3592
03:27:13,470 --> 03:27:17,430
he's just on a streak. It was it
was he had to actually retire

3593
03:27:17,430 --> 03:27:19,710
for a short time because we
couldn't find any art better.

3594
03:27:19,710 --> 03:27:23,550
There's too much, too much
money. I'm kicking everyone's

3595
03:27:23,550 --> 03:27:27,630
ass, I'm gonna take time off.
And then everybody, but everyone

3596
03:27:27,630 --> 03:27:30,000
brought their game of his very
interesting phenomenon that art

3597
03:27:30,000 --> 03:27:31,260
because that art is

3598
03:27:33,060 --> 03:27:37,620
very unique in that the
extensions or namespace was set

3599
03:27:37,620 --> 03:27:41,430
up specifically to allow that,
interestingly, the Apple podcast

3600
03:27:41,430 --> 03:27:48,180
app doesn't do that very well or
at all? Probably some do. But

3601
03:27:48,270 --> 03:27:54,420
the larger beauty of this is, we
would not be able to do the show

3602
03:27:54,450 --> 03:27:58,770
without all of this without all
of the cloud all of the content.

3603
03:28:00,000 --> 03:28:04,380
If even if we had to hire one
producer, we wouldn't be able to

3604
03:28:04,380 --> 03:28:09,870
make enough money to make it
work. And that we have no

3605
03:28:09,870 --> 03:28:13,890
producers No. Well, we have we
have we have 1000s of producers,

3606
03:28:13,890 --> 03:28:14,610
but we haven't have

3607
03:28:14,609 --> 03:28:18,089
any in house people twiddling
dials and that is that I don't

3608
03:28:18,089 --> 03:28:20,309
think it would be nearly as good
as show you that because you're

3609
03:28:20,309 --> 03:28:26,039
better at talking and twiddling
dials at the same time. Then

3610
03:28:26,039 --> 03:28:27,989
most dedicated dial Twizzlers

3611
03:28:28,020 --> 03:28:31,800
not just the dialing but the you
know the links, we get the

3612
03:28:31,800 --> 03:28:35,880
stories the of course, a lot of
the InMail we got guys in Rio

3613
03:28:35,880 --> 03:28:39,990
right now dudes named Ben, I'd
be talking about that. The

3614
03:28:39,990 --> 03:28:43,200
upcoming show and you know, they
have real insight. And for me,

3615
03:28:43,200 --> 03:28:46,440
the real boots on the ground,
real boots on the ground who are

3616
03:28:46,440 --> 03:28:50,160
in these situations who are in
these places. To get that now

3617
03:28:50,160 --> 03:28:55,020
you need a whole staff. So this,
somehow we've come across a

3618
03:28:55,020 --> 03:28:58,530
model that that AI is
Futuristic, it's

3619
03:28:59,400 --> 03:29:03,840
evolved, and it evolved largely
due to the and we've said this

3620
03:29:03,840 --> 03:29:09,390
on the other two shows. It
evolved largely by the producers

3621
03:29:09,390 --> 03:29:12,600
themselves. In other words, our
audience pushed the show alone.

3622
03:29:12,900 --> 03:29:16,530
And the example I used it was
used in the other show is the

3623
03:29:16,530 --> 03:29:21,300
douchebag thing we never had, or
even karma. But the douchebag

3624
03:29:21,300 --> 03:29:24,540
thing was the real classic that
we had nothing to do with this.

3625
03:29:24,960 --> 03:29:27,330
And I remember in the early days
when when the douchebag thing

3626
03:29:27,330 --> 03:29:30,480
started to appear, and then we
had to douchebag jangle people

3627
03:29:30,480 --> 03:29:33,630
saying, Oh, these guys they suck
and they're calling their

3628
03:29:33,660 --> 03:29:37,170
audience douchebags. What kind
of professionals? Are they

3629
03:29:37,170 --> 03:29:41,100
calling their audience names?
And I want to remind anyone who

3630
03:29:41,100 --> 03:29:45,480
thinks that's off? Kind of crazy
to do. Listen to the Jim Rome

3631
03:29:45,480 --> 03:29:51,300
show someday and see what he
calls his audience. It's quite

3632
03:29:51,330 --> 03:29:55,380
amusing. But, but that wasn't
even our idea.

3633
03:29:55,410 --> 03:29:59,010
No, no. Nor was it our jingle.
Same for karma. All of this has

3634
03:29:59,010 --> 03:30:01,890
been produced in handed to us.
And it's highly, highly

3635
03:30:01,890 --> 03:30:02,550
appreciated.

3636
03:30:04,230 --> 03:30:06,450
So there you have it. I think
that's an honor. Do you have any

3637
03:30:06,450 --> 03:30:07,530
notes that you want to wrap? No,
I

3638
03:30:07,530 --> 03:30:09,990
died? No, I did my notes in the
beginning. Let me just check.

3639
03:30:12,720 --> 03:30:18,060
The ISOs. No, no,

3640
03:30:18,269 --> 03:30:21,989
no, I mean, the obvious things,
it's just the obvious changes

3641
03:30:21,989 --> 03:30:25,739
that we've seen in the past
year. The increase of clips,

3642
03:30:26,129 --> 03:30:29,819
which actually makes it much
easier for for deconstructing

3643
03:30:31,829 --> 03:30:36,269
think that, you know, the half
promise of getting out on the

3644
03:30:36,269 --> 03:30:39,329
road more is starting to kind of
work, you know, to have the

3645
03:30:39,599 --> 03:30:42,869
stream of consciousness and it's
nice to go out and meet people

3646
03:30:42,869 --> 03:30:44,459
why You sound very, what does
that mean?

3647
03:30:46,110 --> 03:30:49,110
Well, we make big big talkers
when it comes to going out on

3648
03:30:49,110 --> 03:30:49,470
the road.

3649
03:30:50,550 --> 03:30:53,430
I actually go on the road buddy
talking about,

3650
03:30:53,880 --> 03:30:55,830
hey, I was on the road once.
Yeah.

3651
03:30:57,150 --> 03:31:00,240
Well, let's make a solemn pledge
that we got on the road more

3652
03:31:00,240 --> 03:31:01,260
often. I was just

3653
03:31:01,260 --> 03:31:05,640
in New York, and we had a big
meet up. Yeah. Let's Let's do

3654
03:31:05,640 --> 03:31:08,130
more of that. Yeah. Well, I'd

3655
03:31:08,130 --> 03:31:10,710
like to, then the viewers we
have in San Francisco, I should

3656
03:31:10,710 --> 03:31:13,170
go to one of these meetups, they
happen once in a while. And now

3657
03:31:13,170 --> 03:31:15,810
that guy was putting them
together, bail out and shut it

3658
03:31:15,810 --> 03:31:16,800
down. Now,

3659
03:31:16,830 --> 03:31:20,130
though, that is the downside of
having producers you don't have

3660
03:31:20,130 --> 03:31:26,220
on the payroll? Well, I'll take
our system any day. Yeah,

3661
03:31:26,250 --> 03:31:29,370
I'm sure we can get I still have
to do the beat up at the train

3662
03:31:29,370 --> 03:31:30,960
museum. That's going to be
great.

3663
03:31:30,990 --> 03:31:33,330
I gotta get on the stick for
that. All right. Well, I know

3664
03:31:33,330 --> 03:31:36,840
it's been three years I've been
talking about it. But we have

3665
03:31:36,840 --> 03:31:37,230
paid when

3666
03:31:38,010 --> 03:31:39,510
we have patients. It's okay.

3667
03:31:41,940 --> 03:31:44,430
All right, I guess that should
wrap it up to them for a show

3668
03:31:44,430 --> 03:31:48,120
200.8 I think 8.78 to 1.5.

3669
03:31:48,180 --> 03:31:50,280
And we'll never do it again.

3670
03:31:52,230 --> 03:31:54,510
We'll never do it again. And you
can don't forget the

3671
03:31:54,510 --> 03:31:59,430
board.org/in. A. Yes. Or get us
through this episode.

3672
03:31:59,460 --> 03:32:02,640
Yeah, for Sunday show. And I'll
be returning from Europe on

3673
03:32:02,640 --> 03:32:08,250
Saturday. And we'll be all good
to go to bring you another show

3674
03:32:08,280 --> 03:32:12,720
on Sunday. And we'll be
deconstructing whatever has come

3675
03:32:12,720 --> 03:32:14,730
our way in the meantime, and
I'll probably have a little

3676
03:32:14,730 --> 03:32:19,500
report from Europe since I will
be in France near Nice. So boots

3677
03:32:19,500 --> 03:32:20,220
on the ground?

3678
03:32:21,000 --> 03:32:22,140
Yeah, see what's going on?

3679
03:32:22,290 --> 03:32:25,950
Is this part of what I do?
Alright, everybody. So now

3680
03:32:25,950 --> 03:32:28,080
you're up to speed on how we put
it together while you put it

3681
03:32:28,080 --> 03:32:33,150
together and a historical
smorgasbord of audio that you've

3682
03:32:33,150 --> 03:32:35,850
listened to thank you very much.
We're all yours make

3683
03:32:35,850 --> 03:32:39,690
sure and also use this as a as a
show to refer people to have you

3684
03:32:39,690 --> 03:32:42,690
tried to get him into the show
at all. Excellent. But if they

3685
03:32:42,690 --> 03:32:45,000
come back, it usually can get
them in and listen to an episode

3686
03:32:45,000 --> 03:32:48,420
they say that's still confusing,
is saying in the morning all day

3687
03:32:48,960 --> 03:32:52,830
is not the morning. And so just
say hey, go listen to this show.

3688
03:32:52,830 --> 03:32:57,870
Nick explains all the stuff we
do kind of mostly. So there.

3689
03:32:58,019 --> 03:33:01,829
And with that coming to you from
the Garden State and FEMA Region

3690
03:33:01,829 --> 03:33:04,199
three in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam curry and from

3691
03:33:04,200 --> 03:33:08,340
Northern Silicon Valley, which
is it's kind of the brown state

3692
03:33:08,820 --> 03:33:12,390
in more ways than one. Um, John
C. Dvorak will talk to you right

3693
03:33:12,390 --> 03:33:16,290
here on Sunday on no agenda.
Adios mofos

3694
03:33:16,470 --> 03:33:24,570
Hey man.org/n A