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Oh. How long does it last? Well,
as long as there's mold, there's

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always mold, right, but it's
Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. It's

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Thursday, July

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5 2015. Time once again forget
my nation media assassination

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episode 736. This is no agenda,
analyzing ourselves once again

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and broadcasting live from the
crackpot condo and FEMA Region

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six downtown Austin J house in
the morning, everybody. I'm Adam

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curry,

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and from Northern Silicon
Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. Drag

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Levin books kill.

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Immediately I noticed you're
different when we don't have an

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audience. That's yeah. So this
is episode 200.7.

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AKA minute, let's back up a
minute. Why would I be different

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when there's an audience? I
don't know. I'm a ham.

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I'm just, I'm just Yes. I'm just
presuming I'm just presuming

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that.

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That's funny.

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Now you were like, Hey, I'm John
C. Dvorak. But Episode 200.7,

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aka 736. And we do rise
periodically.

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Were done at once, before or
twice before, we did a show

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called to enter point five,
which was kind of an

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introduction to people to the
show ahead that don't get a lot

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of memes and the noises and the
things that we do and some of

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the history of the show. Then we
Redux the show we did it again.

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Two years later,

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which was around 435. I think it
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in the four hundreds and, and we
didn't do it since and we're

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almost into into the eight
hundreds now. So we felt that we

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should do one more look at the
history of no agenda as we

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apparently I'd listened to the
show again last night.

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Apparently, we don't even know
the history of the show. I don't

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know the answers to it. We had
people ask us questions, we

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couldn't really answer many of
them. We had a lot of theories.

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And we never discussed much
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art, which has that element. And
I don't think we talked about

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that at all, which is odd, since
it was always been that way. And

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we wanted to do this one more
time with maybe some more

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explanatory stuff, play that one
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mention that this will be the
last time we do this. We are

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going to at some point in the
next year or two, do a another

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deconstruction of our own show,
but we're going to do it from

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scratch. Right? We'll have to
we'll start over, we probably

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have to bring the weenie and the
butt back in and

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which was one of my favorite
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Again, it's like Oh, yes.

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Yeah, that was actually the
highlight of the whole show.

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I noticed a number of things,
though. Well, let me ask you,

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what did you notice listening
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which included 200.5. Brian,
things that that? Well,

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what I heard was a lot of fact
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Exactly. Yeah. No, essentially,
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all the crap that we moan and
groan about we had not really we

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had not caught on to it. In
2012, and this was done. We

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hadn't caught on to it. And so
you hear it, and you just cringe

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cringe worthy I know. But
seriously, ya know, all over the

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place, essentially, actually,
what I write down here, whatever

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the case,

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whatever the case, end of the
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a fact of the matter. So does
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I think we're more cognition. I
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think that's what's important.
But I think, also think that the

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listeners are in the producers
that follow us, since we've been

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bitching and moaning about this.
And we just got a letter in from

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somebody saying, Well, yeah, no,
is fine. You should be able to

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say that he had all these
rationales. We don't want to say

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it. That's the key. Yeah. But
we've broken we've made

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everybody else aware of these
little peccadilloes. Yeah. And,

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and I know that this the same
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through when you watch a TV
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on the radio, and they keep
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matter, and at the end of the
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well, you know, change your
words, change your world. What?

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That's a book I once read,
change your words, change your

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world, but

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I think that's probably true.
Yeah. Thanks for speaking

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another language.

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say what I noticed. Another
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be a different form as if it did
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bitching about it. In fact, you
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like crap. And it wasn't
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anything about at the time. I

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apparently did something about
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presentation, it sounded great.
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except for the middle of it, the
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the cut out. I will recon in
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like, well, one of the reasons
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and so that's the way it works
be this long. Yeah.

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Lots of dropouts. Yeah. Yeah,

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well, that is Skype that has
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higher bandwidth now. But the
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I've been on my end, have you
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be saying, you know, how good
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really, like audio quality has
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struggling with what we had. I
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time, I was because I wanted
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possible or as contained as
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going on trips and traveling
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along an entire studio. And a
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remember at one point, I was
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for a year and a half, with a
very slight delay on my

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headphone, so I could monitor in
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because we recorded pretty much
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call it, you know, direct
directors, I just need to know

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what the the end product is. So
we don't have to go back and do

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things after the fact. And not
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noticeable in, in our
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big difference what we have now.
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this Universal Audio, real time
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right, which makes a difference
in the sound. And also, that's

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another reason we have to do the
show again from scratch sometime

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next time. Because the
information that we gave out

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about the technical aspects of
the show is all stemmed from my

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still talking free free air with
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shows. It doesn't come up on the
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The reason why it was well first
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it, because it's just not a
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that again, I'll use the
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to do that on the air.
Vancouver. Nuff said. Wow, this

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big market Vancouver is not a
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proper noise gating and other
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myself come back through from
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Oh wow. I don't even have talked
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turn turn down your speakers
which was annoying. Yeah,

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jarring and it was I banned it
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That was you know, that's
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saw Butler as good as good but
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yeah, well it is it has dropped
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drastically changed the show.
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the same show no matter where I
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it almost from anywhere because
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have your own microphone here is
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audio breakout box is that what
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Well I'm using the newer one
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because the other one blew up
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North I do use the old M audio
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them one of them blew up and I
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really a nice boxes new one I
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says m audio on it. See if it's
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track something or other. The
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a two channel Black is a really
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works perfectly. But it does
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oh no, it's fantastic. It sounds
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you're the mic, man, you know,
you have found the microphone

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that is perfect for your voice
for our setup is outstanding.

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Yeah, I've got a good mic here.
And I've got to I used a PR 40

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up north. It's just dead I don't
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volts and all the rest of it
because the whole demo audio I

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don't believe has a phantom
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right. Anything else we need to
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I took a lot of notes we can
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had a bunch of stories that we
talked about we were gonna be

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here's where he let me give the
design of what we're up to.

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We've cut out the original 2000
points six opening because it

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makes no sense. It was most
mostly about Adam getting

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married. Right? And that's
exactly what this show. Right.

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Right. So he's just pulling that
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answers questions.
Unfortunately, the questions and

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the answers are dated. Yeah.
Agreed. There's a couple of

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things in there that are okay.
But I and I may drop them in

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when I edit this thing. But if
we're pulling that out, we're

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going to do a new one. And
that's we're going to do halfway

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through the show. And then at
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have the the original ending,
which is the 200.5 ending. And

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then as we go to Music Week,
they interrupt those two guys,

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those dudes, John and Adam have
chosen 12 from from the past,

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and they interrupt the ending,
and they're going to yak about

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something. And then we, the John
and Adam from 2015, are going to

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interrupt them and finish the
whole thing. And you're going to

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have a nice piece of
entertainment and realize that

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this will be the this is being
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just but just in case, just in
case, for whatever reason, in a

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year or two, we decide to still
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show. I know, we agree we won't.
I just want to say hi to Adam

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and John from the future. Just
want to make sure that they're

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all

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happy. Yeah, well, they may or
may not be you don't know.

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One more thing that that. And
that partially has to do with

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the setup. And, yeah, we've
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the technical pieces, a lot of
that is just Moore's law, you

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know, computers, we've got
become better and, and just the

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whole setup is much easier to
handle for me, I noticed that I

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am able to listen to you. I can
have better listening skills now

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than I had in both of those
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I still have to this day after
this is maybe a little known

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fact, after the show was posted.
And we're done. We always do a

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post mortem. We gossip about
stuff, nothing really show

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related. Just the old why old
wives gossip, whatever.

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Gossip this show had some
issues. We talked about that

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always, which is what we're
supposed to do. But we ended up

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gossip and

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we ended up gossiping. I always
listen to the show. And and to

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this day still there there
moments. I'm like, Oh, I didn't

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hear what he was saying I didn't
I didn't understand. And that's

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mainly because I'm doing things,
getting clips ready, or I'm

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listening, trying to anticipate
what clip you're talking about.

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Because if in case it wasn't
clear, and maybe this needs to

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be reiterated, we don't talk
outside of the show rarely. I

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have no idea what stories John's
working on. He has no idea what

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I'm working on. Of course we
kind of now throughout the years

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know what we may or may not pick
up on and I can actually say, I

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don't have to worry about that.
I think John will cover that.

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and sometimes I do and sometimes
I don't I think I missed one

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thing recently we're in new

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ground step. Yeah. It was the
White House Correspondents

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Dinner.

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Right. I missed it. I missed it.
It was my night. You're right. I

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should have had a couple of one
live good clips from one liners.

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It's something funny. And I
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even get to what I liked to
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these days, we're going to do
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We're never going to we never
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Probably not. But I'm I think
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listening to what you have to
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it's to me, it's cringe worthy.
Man you had no you didn't you

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didn't understand at all what he
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probably one of the biggest
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in media, we're most people if
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we're not interviewing each
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conversation.

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something crazy, and then the
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Yep. So I'm completely guilty of
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because I'm doing a whole bunch
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keep my eye on the chat room,
which is well known you don't

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do. And and there's more benefit
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the chat room,

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I'd get benefit out of it. But I
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shows, I think in 2000 to 200.5
that AI is so distracting to me

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because I just end up reading
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doing the show.

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Right, right. Well, and so yeah,
it is distracting, and I read

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something and then beyond that I
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you just don't hear stuff. So
I've gotten better. I'm happy

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with that personal improvement
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Yeah, I think I've personally
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should have I probably not as
much as I'd like. I haven't been

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read replaying clips that were
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much. I don't think I've done
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three months. Maybe what

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do you I don't know. I don't
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You play a clip.

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Like on show 250 and 252. I play
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Remember that? Yeah. The horn
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Yeah, now the buzzer which for
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that wasn't a buzzer used to use
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Wah wah wah wah.

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I don't know if I have that. And
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you I don't think was the buzzer
for that.

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I think we've also we banded
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haven't really lost a lot of
them. Well, they're

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lost. They're not technically
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archives.

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I have no idea what that sound
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important. It

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was something it was one person
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military sounding things.

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I don't know what it was. All
right, fine. All right. Well,

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let's just start with this show.
200.5 which is the introduction

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show for people who don't know
the history of the show. We try

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to discuss the history and then
there's a break and we'll when

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we would get to the breakpoint,
we'll come back in.

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Okay, here we go. Adam curry,
John C. Dvorak. It's May

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16 2010. times your gizmo nation
media assassination, Episode

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200.5. This is no agenda.
Welcome to a special backstage

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tour of the no agenda Show
coming to you from the hilltop

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Watchtower crock pot command
center and get more nation West

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in the People's Republic of
Southern California. Yay. In the

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morning, I'm Adam curry.

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And it's not really a media
assassination today. It's a no

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agenda assassination. I'm John
C. Dvorak. Vaughn Buzzkill.

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We still get to say in the
morning,

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yeah, definitely, in the morning
never goes away. You know, the

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thing is, we should tell people
since this is really a show

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where we're just essentially
going to talk about the show.

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And we're going to ask answer a
lot of questions, and probably

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ask some. But you know, the one
of the things you immediately

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note, we actually had to debate
as to whether we're going to

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play the opening jingle,

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it's kind of sad that we didn't
put the debate on the backstage

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show. This is kind of where we,
yeah, I think on this show,

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which is driven by support from
our producers slash donors

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supporters. Were we kind of bare
at all, not that we have any

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secrets, I don't think but
people just want to know a lot

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of stuff that we don't put into
the show. Because little known

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fact, we make it look easy.

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And also a lot of this personal
stuff that they're asking it

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because we I sent out a message
on Twitter to get some

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questions. And we also got a
couple of emails and you've

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worked up some questions
yourself. To be honest about it.

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A lot of it is just plain
boring.

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Yes, indeed. You know, John and
I have been in. In fact, you

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said this on episode 200. We've
been in media in all forms of

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media from print, you've
probably been around

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typesetting.

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Actually, I used to be a
typesetter part time when I was

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in college. So

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it doesn't surprise me all the
way through to today's reality

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based television programming and
everything in between on

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mainstream media. And I would
say, Well, I certainly gave up a

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number of years ago and, and I
am patently unhireable by

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mainstream media. In fact, the
last,

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especially after you did the SEC
thing. Well,

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yeah, that's right. When I said
Michael Jackson was probably

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killed, and they cut me off. And
of course, now it turns out, he

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probably was. But the last radio
station I was on, which was

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around the time we started the
show, actually, in fact,

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no, you were doing this debt
show while we're doing this show

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here, but I think we started
this show. Yeah, but I've only

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done a couple like a week or
two. And then we started doing

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this show, right? I was doing
that first was No, no, I think

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you were fired during I was
fired during it. We were doing

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no agenda when I was fired. But
it only just started that show.

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Yeah, no, I think we did it for
about a month.

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So I was trying to think back
cuz that was I think 26 of

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either October or November 2007.
The first episode was like 35

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minutes. The good old days.
Yeah, I was living in London,

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which did give the show a very
different flavor. I have to say

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I was also baked out of my mind.

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Right. Although, you know, to be
honest about it. I don't think

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that was apparent. And I
actually argue with you. I don't

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think you your personality has
changed that much from stop

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since you stopped smoking.

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Right. But I Well, there's a
couple of episodes there where I

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remember one time I actually
went off on some tangent and I

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said, Dude, I'm so baked.

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Yeah. But yeah, I do remember
that.

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The personality that Well, I'm
happy to hear that. I'm just

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more awake. And I can do more
and I'm more focused.

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Yeah. And you finally got a rig
that makes me sound decent.

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Yeah, but

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that's, well, you know, the end
there. We had we had a pretty

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good setup. It sounded okay. But
this is the best one. I have to

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say. This is definitely the best
one. So now we met at, I guess,

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what did we meet John was on
cranky

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hands. Gents. Dan gents.com on
Twitter asked the question. The

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real Devorah can curry have a
unique relationship? How did you

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guys meet? So when did you hit
it off right away?

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I'll tell you something I found
in my crap that arrived from

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from the UK I found a videotape
of the CNET pilots, where we

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actually first met for the very
first time although that was in

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1993 Three or four maybe? I
think was three. Yeah. And I and

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I'm gonna get one of those A VHS
to DVR things to transcode all

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of this stuff. But this was when
CNET did not have a website. In

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fact, I registered cnet.com and
said to Halsey minor Hey, dude,

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you know, I'll do your email if
you want, you know, you might

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want to have a web thing that I
think that would be more

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appropriate for what you're
doing here. But alright, they

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paid me like 20 grand to do that
pilot, which was nice. And you

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were doing kind of a McLaughlin
Group Type roundtable as the

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pilot for that show.

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Yeah, they that's kind of
interesting, because we've seen

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that they actually went through
a whole bunch of people before

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they decided they wanted me to
do it. And I didn't really want

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to do it. I actually, to be
honest, I never wanted to work

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for CNET. But I did like the
idea of watching Kevin Wendell

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at work once they brought him he
was he was the guy from Fox.

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Yeah, he's a guy from somewhere.
He's a Hollywood guy.

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You'd set up the Fox network. He
was one of the driving

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programming forces behind Fox

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early. I don't remember that.
Whatever the case was, he was a

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slick operator. And it was fun
to watch him work. And but they

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first wanted Leo Laporte to be
that McLaughlin guy. And Leo

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wanted to do it. Badly. He was
always wanted that tort that

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sort of gig. And because but
it's because very serious, and

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it's, you know, this and that.
And but they had me do it. But

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that never got off the ground.
It just wasn't going to work.

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And so then they gave me some
other job being a kind of a

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clownish co host with a genius
ain't John. Oh, yeah.

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Well, they offered me to move
out to San Francisco and be

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there full time. And they
offered like really low salary,

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but 2 million shares of stock
and I declined.

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Yeah, well, that was an error.
Well, who

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knows what, you know, I was
like, Well, I

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know it's a crapshoot. I did the
same thing.

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How many? How many shares
outstanding? Wow, it's vague,

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right? I was like, Yeah, I got a
pretty good thing here at MTV.

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I'm good.

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So anyway, so we met 93.
Casually, casually, very

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casually. But you know, we
followed each other's careers a

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little bit. But then I was kind
of triggered by that when you

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had your moment of richness. And
I was floating around Europe,

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and I ran into a newspaper with
one of these, one of these

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papers. I think it was a Dutch
story somewhere. And it had a

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picture of you and your Euro,
some superstar in Holland. And

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this is unbelievable. So this
guy makes so much money. Yeah.

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And so then you showed up in
town again. And so then we just

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kind of forced myself I

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was it wasn't a yes. And that
was nice. But wasn't it a wasn't

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like cranky geeks when we
connected?

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No, I think we met up first and
then I put you on cranky geeks.

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But where the hell was it, John?
Because when we I we did some an

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email exchange. And I said,
Let's go have lunch or

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something. We added our first or
lunch our initial the remeeting

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lunch at differing guile. And we
talked about you know, getting

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some getting a daily news show
the tech five thing ideas like

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that. And then I then we went
and had a big meeting with Ron

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in the office. Yeah. You aren't
cranky geeks. After that.

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I'm trying to look now in my
email, if I have something from

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you from that must have been
2007. Right.

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Probably,

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how do you do that? Gmail? Do
you do date? 2007?

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I don't know. Anyway, that's the
basically the story and then we?

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We, I don't know, then we I just
say we just kind of naturally

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got I really don't know, that's
the answer. We really don't know

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how that happened. We actually
get along

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just in some funny way. It's not
really explainable. It's like,

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you know, you meet somebody, and
you've all you've known them for

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a long time. So you know, that
they're obviously not assassins.

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Of course, that may not be true.
But whatever the case is, you

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you've always had, you know, you
had an acquaintance. And then

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you decide that, you know, now
you're working together. It's

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almost like, you know, where
people meet on a Hollywood set,

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and they're hanging out a lot.
And then they go off their

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separate ways. But instead of
going off our separate ways,

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since we're both looking at me,
VO We decided to start doing a

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show. And that now it's
debatable is that you know, how

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it got named when we started?

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I think I came up with a name.

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I don't know if that's true. I
think you're the one that

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approved the name. But you kind
of told me it was your brain

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fart?

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I think it was I say, well, we
got you know why we got no

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agenda? And then you said let's
call it no agenda. That sounds

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about right, actually. And it
sounds good. Something like

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that. And then, and then as it
evolved, we got into other

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things, which are kind of the
same kind of like, we don't know

441
00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:39,540
who came up with the idea. I
mean, the donation thing. Well,

442
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,840
before we get to that, because
the show started off with a very

443
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,600
different format. It was in
fact, I think our first show was

444
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,400
on a Friday, and like a Friday
afternoon, Friday morning for

445
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,190
you. And we would just talk
about stuff and I would grab the

446
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:56,310
Financial Times but we would
also just talk about stuff, you

447
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:59,790
know the difference between
America and Europe. Right and it

448
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:01,590
was just took like a casual

449
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:04,590
conversation, just like a
conversation. Yeah. And this

450
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:10,260
was, in my opinion, I've always
felt that a two guys interesting

451
00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:14,760
conversation between two people
is interesting to everybody. And

452
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,120
I've always believed I could
sell conversations I had with my

453
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,820
wife. And I always felt that a
good conversational show where

454
00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:25,110
there's not a lot of rehearsal
or preparation, but just guys

455
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:28,260
were just talking about stuff
that they know a lot about. And

456
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:31,710
coincidentally, because the two
of us are so extremely well

457
00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:36,660
traveled, and I mean, pretty
much been everywhere, and

458
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,900
observant, because, you know,
we're generally floating around

459
00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:43,170
looking at stuff. It turns out
that we have enough life

460
00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:47,490
experience to, to have an
interesting conversation. And

461
00:25:47,490 --> 00:25:49,230
we're both from slightly
different backgrounds. So we

462
00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:52,590
could complement each other in
ways that I thought was

463
00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:54,840
interesting for those people to
listen in on.

464
00:25:55,050 --> 00:25:59,400
Yeah. And from my perspective, I
was looking to do a show with

465
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,600
total honesty. Not in the regard
of, oh, let's all hold hands and

466
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960
tell each other a secret. But
more like, why don't we just say

467
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,230
what it is and not be fake and
just talk about stuff. And we

468
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:13,050
can contradict and we can have
an argument and we don't have

469
00:26:13,050 --> 00:26:17,670
to. In fact, we had no no
thoughts even think about making

470
00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:23,250
money doing no agenda? Yeah, we
had absolutely no agenda. And

471
00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:25,110
and I was just happy that
someone would listen to my

472
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:28,620
bullshit. Like, hey, here's a
guy who actually knows more than

473
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:34,680
me, because he's been around
longer for sure. And, and we'll

474
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,860
listen to some of the because I
think I was, I was maybe a late

475
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:40,890
bloomer, I was like, saying, oh,
wait a minute, the world kind of

476
00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:43,440
works a little bit differently.
Because I was so embedded in the

477
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,100
hits. You know, that's all I
did. I played hits on radio on

478
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,860
television, like, you know, I
knew what, what all the

479
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:53,070
celebrities were doing. And all
of a sudden, like, there's

480
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:54,270
something else going on here.

481
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:57,480
I think I corrupted you more
than you corrupted me when it

482
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,220
comes to this show. Correct? I
would agree. Mainly because of

483
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:05,820
my natural cynicism. I you know,
I took a test one, there's a it

484
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:08,190
was a computer software program.
Some years ago, I've always

485
00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:12,270
found it fascinating. That was a
career guidance. It was almost

486
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:15,120
like it was a very elaborate
take computer test you to answer

487
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:18,570
a million questions. It was like
an MMPI, or Minnesota multi

488
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,010
phase Personality Inventory that
people take in some companies.

489
00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:26,070
It's actually an illegal test,
you shouldn't be forced to take

490
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:28,830
it. But it can tell whether
you're a psycho and all these

491
00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:30,930
other things. And this was the
determine what your what your

492
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:34,470
career path should be. And I
took the test a couple of times,

493
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:37,650
and it was the weirdest thing to
get back at the top of a career

494
00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:40,440
path. This is telling you, this
is what you should go be doing.

495
00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:41,910
Pro critic.

496
00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:47,700
Really? Yeah. That's awesome.
That's really good.

497
00:27:48,510 --> 00:27:51,930
I like that. So anyway, so yeah,
we've got that thing. We when we

498
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:54,150
started, there's a couple of,
you know,

499
00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:59,370
I got like hand worker on all my
tests, shoveling shit, boy, you

500
00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:01,200
shouldn't be in any kind of
business,

501
00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:03,900
you might be surprised that test
was pretty amazing. I had other

502
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,090
people taking it was just like
nailing people left and right. I

503
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,390
wish I could, if I could find it
in my archives. If you can find

504
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:14,040
it, I'll be producing a modern
format. It'd be nice. So anyway,

505
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:20,460
we started the show with just
casually and it had a it really

506
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:23,700
started picking up a following
quickly. And people were feeding

507
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:27,630
back into the mechanism,
encouraging the continuation of

508
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:29,640
the show. And then somewhere
along the line, this was your

509
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,030
idea. I'm sure of it. Because it
could have been mine. You

510
00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:38,400
decided to do two shows a week?
Yeah.

511
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:41,700
I don't remember why.

512
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:44,370
And there were some reason
because I think we're starting

513
00:28:44,370 --> 00:28:45,570
to show we're starting to get
along and

514
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:47,400
get along. Yeah. And we said,
Well, why don't we Why don't we

515
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,580
do to show actually, that's when
we made a real commitment,

516
00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:54,180
though. And for now that was
that was much later in the game.

517
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:57,450
We made a real commitment to do
two shows. After we we said hey,

518
00:28:57,450 --> 00:29:01,260
you know, this is real. We're
building an audience. But I

519
00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:04,440
think we were going for a good
year there just on one show,

520
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:07,530
probably one a year building an
audience. And we had a kind of a

521
00:29:07,530 --> 00:29:10,470
weird audience because there
were really your fans separate

522
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:13,650
from my fans and my fans who say
huge, you should do the show by

523
00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:18,180
yourself. You should get rid of
curry and get to the head man

524
00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:22,740
when I can get the same kind of
commentary and it's always made

525
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:25,860
me laugh because it's like, oh,
yeah, that's what you want. Just

526
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:30,900
some guys. Solid. By the way, I
have never Oh conversation, no

527
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:31,890
pace and flow.

528
00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:35,130
I've never received never
received an email of someone

529
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:36,840
saying you're a bit of a divorce
duck ever.

530
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,610
I've seen I have seen the get
rid of divorce meme on Twitter,

531
00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:43,770
on Twitter, and I've seen it
here and now. I've never

532
00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:44,250
seen it.

533
00:29:45,270 --> 00:29:48,810
I've never seen it nice then.
Well, then your fans are less.

534
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:54,000
Less crazy. Oh, yeah. Hostile.
Okay. So,

535
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:57,509
at a certain point, though, I
think that what what really drew

536
00:29:57,509 --> 00:30:02,069
us together is we're both With
radio guys at heart, I think

537
00:30:02,069 --> 00:30:06,989
we're and I know I am. And I
grew up in Radio Television was

538
00:30:06,989 --> 00:30:12,059
more like a sidetrack for me. I
never felt like, too tall. I'm

539
00:30:12,059 --> 00:30:15,449
too lanky and too geeky. I have
Tourette's there's a whole bunch

540
00:30:15,449 --> 00:30:18,029
of stuff that would make me not
ideal for television my head

541
00:30:18,029 --> 00:30:22,049
isn't big enough to be really
successful know about that you

542
00:30:22,049 --> 00:30:25,049
got you got to have a huge not
not metaphorically speaking but

543
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,649
physically a huge head that
makes you successful on TV.

544
00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:32,789
We've already established that
well, but it was our it was our

545
00:30:32,819 --> 00:30:37,979
I think I really our mutual love
of radio in the I love radio.

546
00:30:37,980 --> 00:30:40,350
And the reason there's a lot of
reasons I think it should be

547
00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:44,550
explored. One is that fact that
you don't have to. It's, it's a

548
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:48,660
different, it's different. I
mean, radio is, and this is

549
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:51,450
basically what we're doing is
radio, and it's a modern form of

550
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:56,640
radio, podcasting. You don't
have to get dressed, you don't

551
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,130
have to scrimp.

552
00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:02,910
More than that. It's theater of
the mind is what I like about

553
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:03,000
it,

554
00:31:03,030 --> 00:31:05,610
right. And you can also write
well, the theater of the mind

555
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:09,900
part, which is extremely
valuable. I don't know. I mean,

556
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:14,130
my first broadcasting training
was an array, I went to Foothill

557
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:16,470
College for a while and went on
that was on the radio station.

558
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:21,030
And I just loved it, I produced
a radio play. And I did a lot of

559
00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:23,970
radio was I got a third class
license, which you had to have

560
00:31:23,970 --> 00:31:27,810
at one time, FCC license, I
still have mine. Nobody needs

561
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:33,150
them anymore. And I've always
liked. And I'm very kind of a

562
00:31:33,150 --> 00:31:35,790
sound not I like good quality
sound, which is why I was always

563
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:41,190
carping on the quality of this
podcast. Even when I was doing

564
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,890
when I was doing silicon spin at
Tech TV.

565
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,400
Sound is always forgotten on
television. Oh,

566
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:53,910
yes. And so but as but I made a
big stink about it, because it

567
00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:56,730
sounded so bad. And to have the
sound engineers that were

568
00:31:56,730 --> 00:31:58,320
working there were I was their
hero.

569
00:31:58,530 --> 00:32:01,380
I know, the hero of the sound
engineers,

570
00:32:01,410 --> 00:32:03,660
because the sound engineers
couldn't get anybody to listen

571
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:06,720
to the fact that they were using
cheap mics and they weren't

572
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,960
doing notching or anything,
right. And so the sound, it

573
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720
sounded like a cheap ass
production. Now, the thing

574
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,320
that's interesting is that MIT
did during the Negroponte era,

575
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,230
when they had a media lab, they
had studied this to death, and

576
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:22,740
they had double blind studies
over and over again, and it kept

577
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:26,400
coming up. If you take a group
of people and have them watch a

578
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,370
TV show with shitty sound, and
then have them compare, and then

579
00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:37,770
show another TV show with really
great sound like Dolby five

580
00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:41,100
channel much longer. No, it's
not just that if when they do an

581
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:43,440
analysis, they claim the
pictures better.

582
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:49,230
That's fantastic. That makes
sense. And I'm a sound not

583
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:51,540
although I've had a lot of
trouble, you know, just because

584
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:55,140
of the technology we've been
using. But now. Okay, so now

585
00:32:55,140 --> 00:33:00,120
it's where it should be. I am
way into creating a custom sound

586
00:33:00,510 --> 00:33:04,020
that gives you something that
affects the listener in other

587
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:05,220
ways. By the way, you

588
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:08,310
have their record button pushed.
Ooh, yes, I

589
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:14,160
do. So you know, we have
compression. I put noise gates

590
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,580
on because I don't want to hit
when I would either. I'm talking

591
00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:20,670
over this, by the way, I love
silence. When neither of us say

592
00:33:20,670 --> 00:33:24,210
anything, the noise gates kick
in, it's completely silent. If I

593
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:27,210
didn't have those on, then I'd
hear your room and I'd hear

594
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:31,770
stuff. You wrote rustling of
papers. And that's, to me an

595
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:33,810
important part of our sound. And
I love it. Because in the

596
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:38,670
beginning, certainly when we had
a huge Skype delay, people would

597
00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:43,080
be like, Oh, no, I keep grabbing
my my iPod or my mp3 player,

598
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,390
because I think that the thing
is stopped or it's crapped out,

599
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:48,150
but then you guys talk again,
and it gets people's attention.

600
00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:49,500
Silence is beautiful.

601
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:53,850
Yeah, yeah, it does work. And we
do have a moment of silence

602
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:59,040
every so often. But anyway, so
the two of us are kind of have a

603
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:04,740
we have amenable personalities.
So we were complimentary. We're

604
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:06,390
not you know, people say, oh,
there's your work, because

605
00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:08,970
you're the opposite is no, we're
hardly the opposite. Not at all.

606
00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:13,050
We're just complementary. We
have different kinds of needs

607
00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:17,940
and issues, perspectives, but
they're not opposite. They're

608
00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:21,570
just different. And it's all
worked out. So we have a show

609
00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:24,810
that works. Very rarely do you
know, these kinds of

610
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:28,290
partnerships. Somebody else who
asked a question, let me go to

611
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:32,460
this one. Who's the star of the
show? And of course, that's

612
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:33,330
would be me.

613
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:38,910
Yeah, exactly. So right on.

614
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,219
I thought I'd get that in before
you gave the same line. I was

615
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:46,890
wondering if we could actually
say it at the same time, like

616
00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:49,740
now, it'll never work on Skype.
We'll never hit that at the same

617
00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:50,190
moment,

618
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:53,010
though. But that would have been
funny on stage. So

619
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,340
yeah, in a Smothers Brothers
kind of humor way.

620
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,259
There's no star of the show
because and there's no like

621
00:35:01,259 --> 00:35:04,019
sidekick. I mean, it's not like
there's a dominant character. I

622
00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,509
mean, they've right Adam
produces the show. So he picks

623
00:35:06,509 --> 00:35:10,319
up the dominant side of the
production because he's the one

624
00:35:10,319 --> 00:35:12,569
that hits the buttons it says in
the morning, and he's the one

625
00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:15,929
who opens the show, because he's
got all that gear. But it's,

626
00:35:16,019 --> 00:35:18,629
it's just happens to be what you
have to do if you're producing

627
00:35:18,629 --> 00:35:21,839
because if I was producing it,
you know, I started the clips on

628
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:25,079
like, he's starting to think
myself, but so so and somebody

629
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,979
has to produce you can't have
two producers. No, sorry. But

630
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:34,470
with what happened and a lot of
a lot of people talk about this,

631
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:37,530
at least I've seen it around
like, well, you know, it used to

632
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:40,980
be in fact, we used to say the
show that has reopened we would

633
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:44,430
open the show the show that has
no jingles, no sound effects, no

634
00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:48,720
agenda. And then I think you
because people need to know that

635
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,440
John is a is the kind of guy and
this is I really appreciate

636
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,310
this, by the way, who will see
something on television or find

637
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:59,520
a crazy documentary or something
that you're generally interested

638
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,430
in. And it's often I think it's
stuff that you don't even

639
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:05,910
believe in or care about
yourself, but he'll burn you a

640
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:10,170
DVD and make a nice label on it.
And you know, and I'm always

641
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:14,010
amazed by the labels it's always
nice art and it's labeled

642
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:15,240
beautifully that we

643
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,490
have the expense bustin they
look at it they say I'll just

644
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:19,140
bust this isn't a bootleg, this
got to be

645
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:22,860
the real deal. But that's not
like movies. It's you know, it's

646
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:27,630
documentaries, it's different
shows that he's seen and you

647
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:33,600
handed me a copy of the Family
Guy with the episode weenie and

648
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,550
the but and that really got the
because again, we're both radio

649
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:42,060
freaks. And we figured this
would just be funny to do and it

650
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:45,630
kind of stuck and I think that
it'll be fun. That's also where

651
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:50,040
in the morning came from, by the
way. And it's such a take off on

652
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,240
the morning zoo format and which
we both I would say love and

653
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,020
hate at the same time. Low Of
course now it's just so old

654
00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:01,770
fashioned. But when you listen
to this, you can understand why

655
00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:05,910
radio guys get off on weenie in
the butt to about two minutes

656
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:09,930
this oh that's the Hulu the Hulu
pre roll. What's your favorites

657
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anytime for free Hulu,

658
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,490
everybody it's really in the bud
here live at the go hog Air

659
00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:17,940
Show. We're all ready for the
weenies sound alike contest. I

660
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,250
don't know but I don't think
they can say my catchphrase

661
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:26,460
because they know funny. Oh,
there it is. And if you think

662
00:37:26,460 --> 00:37:30,060
you can say that just like
weenie here. You could win 97.1

663
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:32,250
dollars for the cool weekend
ahead.

664
00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:54,960
97.1 weekends and welcome back.
Excuse me. I gotta find a lost

665
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,360
kid. Can I use your mic? That's
what she said.

666
00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:59,880
Whoa, you got butt slam?

667
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:04,050
Listen, I could really use a
hand here.

668
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:12,270
That's what he said. That's
manic monkey on 97.1 Monkey.

669
00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:19,890
Weekends in the morning, all
weekend long. In the morning,

670
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,150
radio.

671
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:25,680
Give me Stewie Griffin, will you
please report to the radio

672
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,770
booth. Stewie Griffin. Hey,
that's quite a voice you've got

673
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:32,430
there. You ever think about
doing radio? Well, I've listened

674
00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:35,370
to a lot of radio. Peter and
Lois leave the radio on when

675
00:38:35,370 --> 00:38:37,800
they go out. So I feel like
somebody's home. Well, here's my

676
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,010
card. Call me if you're
interested. Hey, okay, we've got

677
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:45,180
our first contestant. Let's see
your weenies catchphrase, Dan

678
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:52,590
No, fine. I think we have a
wiener. And that's Dickey, the

679
00:38:52,590 --> 00:39:13,950
punch line donkey on
97.17 97.1 97.1

680
00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:16,440
of the greatest moments in
Family Guy history.

681
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:19,440
It really is. And you know, they
produced all of that stuff. And

682
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,050
they must have had a ball
because it really was like that

683
00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:25,830
in the 90s in the 80s. And the
90s. Radio was absolutely in the

684
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:26,370
morning

685
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,200
on the context of point one,
zero content, all filler

686
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,040
and I used to hate it. We got to
do liner cards. Here. Read this

687
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,260
hit the jingle. All right. 100.1
dollars in cash for you on Z 100

688
00:39:40,890 --> 00:39:43,290
G 100 Surfing the universe.

689
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,680
So we kind of decided we didn't
decide it just happened most of

690
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,960
the show by the way for people
knowing what we're asking all

691
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,860
these questions is really an
evolution. Yeah, there's no we

692
00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:57,030
don't have meetings. We don't

693
00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:03,000
know. We we in fact, that's If
there's a rule, we generally

694
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:05,610
agree not to talk about what
we're going to talk about.

695
00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:08,340
Because we know that what'll
happen is we'll start talking

696
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:11,880
about it. And then we bring it
up on the show. And then it

697
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,150
always suck. There's like, it's
like it's been rehearsed.

698
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:16,410
There's no tension there.

699
00:40:16,830 --> 00:40:20,040
Right? And, you know, so. So
anyway, so this evolved, but

700
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,170
what happened with that, then,
of course, you ran into Jeff

701
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:27,300
Smith. And so we ended up
getting a bunch of these jingles

702
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,310
and things which some people
complain about. But the fact of

703
00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:32,310
the matter is, it paces the
show. Well, it is a mockery of

704
00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:36,600
the of the other model, and it
but it adds kind of a nice kind

705
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,760
of know what it is the
atmosphere is improved by it,

706
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:41,820
the end of mourning thing is
used as a as a rim shot,

707
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,740
generally, or it should be and
it is often. So I say something

708
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:50,100
funny, which is very common on
the show. And then he hits the

709
00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:51,210
bar if

710
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:54,060
you go off on a tangent for x.

711
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:59,610
So we have a bunch of these
things, which we use. And now we

712
00:40:59,610 --> 00:41:00,570
had a couple of questions.

713
00:41:01,230 --> 00:41:06,180
That's an old radio trick for a
segue. It's really it helps

714
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:10,020
transition the listeners brain
from one segment to the next

715
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:11,700
jars you for a moment there.

716
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:16,350
And if you listened to our last
show, show 200 Adam was going

717
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:20,700
off the deep end on some topic
and he kept talking was way

718
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,700
these two three minutes overdue
to stop it. And I told him to

719
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:27,690
play the Adam Curry's pet peeve
of the day jingle. Which I knew

720
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:31,020
what transition it would do, you
know, stop him in his tracks.

721
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:37,410
That's right. It also stops me.
You're right. Yeah, it works

722
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:38,250
perfectly that way.

723
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:41,910
So the show here's it from one
of our listeners, the show you

724
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:44,460
do today is very different from
the show when you first started

725
00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:48,780
eg personal anecdotes are gone.
No, they're not. Audio clips and

726
00:41:48,780 --> 00:41:51,930
jingles are now prevalent.
Originally less than an hour

727
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:55,230
week is now four hours a week
and listeners are now asked to

728
00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:58,500
contribute cash is the show
where you want it to be or

729
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,410
you're planning more changes we
did show it just evolved. So we

730
00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:06,210
don't plan anything all although
we do things individually that

731
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:07,710
may or may not stick.

732
00:42:07,770 --> 00:42:12,930
In fact, if anything. We're
always trying and it's more like

733
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:16,860
that when I when I find
something and by the way, we'll

734
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:19,320
get into this but a lot of
people send me stuff that's

735
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:23,160
that's how I get a lot of good
information. And either that's

736
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,770
good, or I'll find something
else that is good that that

737
00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:29,220
relates to it. I'm thinking Oh
man, I'm gonna blow John away

738
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:31,830
with this. He's gonna love this
when I play this I can just hear

739
00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:33,510
what he's gonna say. That's what
I'm thinking.

740
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:37,620
Yeah, there's that in his the
other time they curiously

741
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:40,620
though, we both tend to be on
the same stories, which is kind

742
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:43,680
of interesting. But we had a
show I camera was about six or

743
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,740
seven shows ago where you had
actually collected the clips

744
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:50,520
that were all complimentary to
my Yeah, yeah, discussion. And

745
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,380
it was like, because I didn't
get some of these clips that I

746
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:55,140
wanted. You had them. And I
actually thought that was the

747
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:58,950
most unbelievable show we've
ever done. Because it it was it

748
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,150
looked rigged.

749
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,530
Yeah, it really flowed very
nicely. And that happens from

750
00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:09,450
time to time. But yeah, I'm I'm
on board with the evolution we

751
00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:12,240
there's nothing there's
absolutely nothing is planned. I

752
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,530
have my own things. John has his
things. Sometimes we might send

753
00:43:16,530 --> 00:43:20,220
each other a link from time to
time and even then usually the

754
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:22,710
link doesn't get discussed,
because we saw Well, whatever

755
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:28,830
you know, it's over. But we have
a couple of common interests of

756
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:32,040
things that are funny, that we
think are funny, usually they

757
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,860
have to do with mainstream
media. I think that's that's the

758
00:43:34,860 --> 00:43:38,040
most fun is when we when we rag
on mainstream media and pull it

759
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,220
apart and simultaneously open
people's eyes as to what's

760
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:43,770
really going on in on
television,

761
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:46,320
you know, that may have been
triggered by the weenie in the

762
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,580
bud episode, probably the family
got because once we start once

763
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:54,600
we can start mocking that model,
we started looking at the media

764
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:58,590
bitching about it generally, on
a higher plane I believe than

765
00:43:58,590 --> 00:44:03,540
the people at Fox have ever
thought of. And we started we

766
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,790
realized that it was actually
interested we were entertaining

767
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:08,220
ourselves. And we knew it was
very valuable information. And

768
00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:11,310
we had the time. It's not like
anyone can't do this. But most

769
00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:15,180
people work for a living. If
you're to have a job at Goldman

770
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,930
Sachs, and you're there till,
you know, seven at night, and

771
00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:21,240
you have to get in early,
whatever. And then you have to

772
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:25,170
drink all day, which seems to be
what the job is about drippers

773
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,520
you don't want strippers. You
don't have time to go and start

774
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,550
digging around these stories to
find the one you know the

775
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:36,690
missing element or the the kind
of the crazy connection. You

776
00:44:36,690 --> 00:44:39,270
just haven't got time to do it.
And then you know, the fact that

777
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:43,890
the mainstream media doesn't do
it and they don't is just makes

778
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:44,460
you wonder.

779
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:49,620
So I will say that there were
two seminal moments when we had

780
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,510
our equivalent of a meeting and
the one is when we spoke on the

781
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:57,480
phone said you know what? This
thing is real. This is really

782
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,500
catching on. Let's do two shows
a week. that I do remember, and

783
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,630
that was like, Well, you know,
something's happening here, this

784
00:45:03,630 --> 00:45:08,670
is really special, we should
just do it. And then I am going

785
00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:11,280
to call you saying, Okay, I've
got a switch this around, we've

786
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,160
got cranky geeks on Wednesday. I
mean, this is when we started to

787
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:17,790
really integrate the show into
our daily schedule into our

788
00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:22,980
lives, because actual work does
go into it. I don't know about

789
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:29,760
you, but I every single day,
here's my system, I have labels

790
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,700
set up in my email like Gmail
labels, and whenever I come

791
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:35,520
across something that I think is
interesting, or that someone

792
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,740
sends me, or that I find, I'll
email it, and tag it with that

793
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:46,200
label. So I have a label now for
show 201. And then, the night

794
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,850
before the show. That is, if I
haven't found anything that that

795
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:54,060
showed up that I really needed
to dig into, which of course,

796
00:45:54,060 --> 00:45:59,610
can take hours of extra work and
investigation, then, you know, I

797
00:45:59,610 --> 00:46:04,110
sit down and I start to start to
assemble everything into a huge

798
00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:06,900
outline of stuff. And then I
have to read everything, you

799
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,960
know, look at all the YouTube
clips. And in the meantime,

800
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,400
whenever I can, without
destroying my relationship, I'm

801
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:20,400
I'm watching C span C span, one,
two and three. I'll skim by HLN,

802
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:24,720
CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, just to see
what they're doing. See, if I

803
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,510
find anything funny, I find
myself watching less of Fox

804
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:31,860
these days. It's just too
annoying for me. But C span I

805
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:37,650
find to be just, I love it so
much it to me that is it is

806
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,350
actual entertainment. And of
course, C span has done a great

807
00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:43,470
job with their video library.
Because all you have to do is

808
00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:46,770
remember a line that someone
said, which is typically what

809
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:50,400
I'm looking for, you go to the
archive, you type it in search

810
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,010
transcripts, it'll search the
transcripts and come up with

811
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:55,980
that actual piece of video and
cue the video to the spot where

812
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,610
the line is it I mean, it's
amazing what they've done. There

813
00:46:59,610 --> 00:46:59,790
is

814
00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:01,920
a very valuable resource. And
you know, the thing is on the

815
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,980
weekend, they have this what I
really like, I mean, I liked the

816
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:08,280
regular C span, but on the
weekend read this book TV. Yeah,

817
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:11,970
they bring these various our
writers in and many of them have

818
00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:14,670
written crazy books in one way
or the other right wing, left

819
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:18,240
wing everything. And they sit
him down with a guy who really

820
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,700
is a good conversationalist, or
sometimes somebody that's in

821
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,420
their same field of study. And
they talk to him for an hour or

822
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:28,170
more, usually an hour, and it's
like a whole hour and it's

823
00:47:28,170 --> 00:47:31,980
extremely basically it's like
books on tape. I mean, you get

824
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:34,590
the whole pretty much the
perspective you're looking for

825
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:37,080
you find everything out from
this person. They it's just

826
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,740
amazing. It's a it's much better
than any talk show, Charlie Rose

827
00:47:40,740 --> 00:47:41,880
or any of these commercials.
Yeah,

828
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,480
what's nice. What's nice about
that is I know, I kind of know

829
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,830
what you're watching. So I know
that I don't have to, we I must

830
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:52,500
say from time to time it happens
every other week, probably

831
00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:56,550
you'll either you'll send me
sometimes I send you an SMS or a

832
00:47:56,550 --> 00:48:00,510
text message saying dude, C span
three now. Right? And then we'll

833
00:48:00,510 --> 00:48:02,730
both sit down and watch
something at the same time. This

834
00:48:02,730 --> 00:48:05,580
has happened to me that I've
been in the car, and I get like

835
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:08,970
a C span to now like, Oh, crap,
but I looked at the C span

836
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,550
iPhone app, and I'll listen to
the audio. It's like It's

837
00:48:11,550 --> 00:48:14,850
sickening. We're like, we're
like the guys from the Muppets.

838
00:48:15,180 --> 00:48:15,660
It's

839
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:18,630
a little crazy. Yeah, it is. But
it's not as though you know. And

840
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:20,580
the funny thing is, I don't
think when we first began to

841
00:48:20,580 --> 00:48:23,910
show that we're going to get so
heavily embedded into current

842
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:26,160
events to this extreme, like
somebody says, you know, your

843
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,610
show was about you guys going
out to dinner. And you know, and

844
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:32,490
it just Yeah, it was a lot of
moments, it was still discussed

845
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,790
wine and food occasion when it
comes up. And but we don't

846
00:48:35,790 --> 00:48:38,490
instead of sitting around
talking about our meal, that

847
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:41,880
people can live vicariously
through our, you know, steaks

848
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:47,040
and, and Cabernet, it pretty
much kind of just went by the

849
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,580
wayside because it wasn't. I
don't know if

850
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,720
the audience also drove that.
And the only way to measure that

851
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,230
is by feedback that you get and
the growth of the audience. And

852
00:48:58,230 --> 00:49:01,260
it was pretty clear what people
were interested in. And they

853
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:05,730
were interested on our take of
current events. We're interested

854
00:49:05,730 --> 00:49:09,330
in our unveiling, if you will,
and this is purely because of

855
00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:14,400
our experience our unveiling of
the bullshit and the, I would

856
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,140
say the deception of mainstream
media. And it's n. And I think

857
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,110
it's helped a lot of people see
things in a different light. And

858
00:49:22,110 --> 00:49:25,320
that's what the audience wants.
And you know, John, you and I

859
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,600
are both in the audience
business at the end of the day.

860
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:30,990
And yeah, and in fact, it is we
you can tell by the way people

861
00:49:30,990 --> 00:49:34,110
send you notes. I mean, yeah,
every once in a while some buddy

862
00:49:34,110 --> 00:49:36,990
that was there from the original
show, and they kind of liked the

863
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:39,120
fact that we have a wine tip
once in a while, which I can

864
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,840
still do. Or there's some
observation we made about the

865
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:46,740
trends and food. That's fine,
which which is now different

866
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:49,980
than me complaining on the
earlier show that show 200 about

867
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:54,990
the raw milk issues. That's kind
of a foodie thing. But the point

868
00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:57,480
is, is that the people that
really got jacked up and the

869
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,840
ones are pretty much financing
the show because they send in

870
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,010
big contributions and say, Wow,
we like the way you deconstruct

871
00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:07,710
these stories, the way you tear
them apart the way you show us.

872
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,330
Me, is it where we where you
show me that this that I'm being

873
00:50:12,330 --> 00:50:15,510
led astray people, it's very
valuable for people to have some

874
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:18,900
sense of understanding of what
they're being bombarded with.

875
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,770
So when did we start asking for
donations?

876
00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:33,960
That began sometime in 2009. I
believe we semi seriously may

877
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,800
have done something in late
2008. And as long as I can say

878
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,590
this, because I can look at the
Pay Pal accounts since we did it

879
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,840
as a Pay Pal thing and we did
it. At the beginning, I think

880
00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:51,510
with trepidation, not complete
trepidation. But I think you may

881
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:53,730
have had a little more night
because I've always felt there

882
00:50:53,730 --> 00:51:01,260
was a model of direct support.
And I was thinking about this, I

883
00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:03,120
have to keep thinking of
different arguments, because you

884
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,600
know, the ones that do it the
best are public broadcasting.

885
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:07,710
And

886
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,950
you're right. That's what it
was. We were talking about that.

887
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:14,280
And then we were talking about
PBS. And I said, Why Why do

888
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,380
those dickheads who are clearly
shills, not all and all the

889
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:23,310
time, but why do they get away
with this? And why do people

890
00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:26,880
support that? It appears that we
have a large number of people

891
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,690
who like us the same way they
either currently do or used to

892
00:51:30,690 --> 00:51:32,130
like Public Broadcasting?

893
00:51:32,430 --> 00:51:36,330
Right. And Nate Van public
broadcasting also has the the

894
00:51:36,330 --> 00:51:39,120
issue with the fact that they
have commercials and we pick you

895
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,640
know, he really played up a
couple of clips that we

896
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,870
developed. We found about, you
know, the admitting that there's

897
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:46,080
the

898
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,610
let's play that one because we
can't play that enough. This was

899
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:57,960
the president of PBS NPR, was
the NPR Yes. NPR, being asked

900
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,310
about underwriters. Yeah, about
their underwriters and how the

901
00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:04,380
state of affairs and here was
our answer. Okay,

902
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:08,610
moving on to money. How are NPRs
corporate underwriting revenues

903
00:52:08,610 --> 00:52:12,000
holding up in the recession? And
what about foundation grants

904
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:18,990
to different stories?
Underwriting is underwriting is

905
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:22,380
is down, it's down for
everybody. I mean, this is this

906
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:25,800
is this is the area that is most
down for us is in is in

907
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:29,040
sponsorship, underwriting,
advertising, call it whatever

908
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:29,490
you want.

909
00:52:30,210 --> 00:52:32,700
Right, call it whatever you
want. And then I think we

910
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,580
started to open people's eyes.
This is kind of the way it went,

911
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:38,580
we started to open people's eyes
about how it really worked. And

912
00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:41,070
people like wow, you know,
Monsanto sponsors, this Archer

913
00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:43,440
Daniels Midland sponsors that
and we're like, Well, okay, so

914
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,540
how about the objective
reporting about those companies?

915
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:49,710
Well, that doesn't seem to be a
hell of a lot of it. And I think

916
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:52,500
a lot of people, this is maybe
how it really started, John, and

917
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,560
I'm just vague on it. But is
people start to send us like

918
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,230
$100 and say, Well, this is what
I would have normally spent on

919
00:52:58,530 --> 00:53:02,400
PBS, the national treasure, I
want to spend it on you. And I

920
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,580
think that's where we said, oh,
wait a minute. There's something

921
00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:05,970
here,

922
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,810
this an evolutionary show. And
like with anything in evolution,

923
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,530
just the model, it's very
difficult to put your finger on

924
00:53:13,530 --> 00:53:17,610
a spot. I mean, I can we can do
the weenie in the bend, but spot

925
00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:19,890
and then that has some
influence. And we can point

926
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:23,490
right to it. But the rest of it
is always vague because it just

927
00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:26,610
kind of evolved. It we were
actually very, you know, being

928
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:29,880
an open source show, which is
another idea that we decided to

929
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,350
go with. In other words, we
don't care if you steal the

930
00:53:34,350 --> 00:53:34,680
show.

931
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:38,880
I actually do remember I was in
New York with Mickey and it was

932
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:44,760
winter, it must have been winter
2009. And I remember I called

933
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,020
you and I said, you know, hey,
this this model that we've been

934
00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:51,210
kind of, well, not really
working on, but that has

935
00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:54,630
evolved. It seems to be working,
we should really go for this, we

936
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:58,050
should really try. And I think
at that point, I said, Boy, I

937
00:53:58,050 --> 00:54:01,380
would love to do this full time.
I would love to do nothing else.

938
00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:03,270
But this I enjoy it so much.

939
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:09,420
Well, well, the model that I was
I remember, I was always for it

940
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:13,110
from the get go because I've
always admired the model itself.

941
00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:16,350
I always admire the fact that
you can get if you get give

942
00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:19,560
people what, you know,
essentially you're doing it's

943
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,720
like the Max Headroom thing
where they had the direct

944
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,690
numbers, you know, the guy was
the show was going downhill, the

945
00:54:24,690 --> 00:54:27,330
numbers would go down, and you
can see it in real time. You can

946
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:30,600
see if we're doing the right
thing, if we're doing a good job

947
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:36,120
it directly it's not value for
value. You can't go off the deep

948
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,240
end and we can't turn the show
into like an analysis of the 60s

949
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,750
music. And that's all we talk
about for two hours and expect

950
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:46,920
to get any money from anyone. So
we're only doing it now at the

951
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,670
same time. We don't obviously
don't want to be pushed around

952
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:56,160
by the audience. We have to lead
them as as opposed to just doing

953
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,010
whatever they want. So you have
to have some leadership. This is

954
00:54:59,010 --> 00:55:02,130
like a company that you No, you,
you don't focus group

955
00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:05,820
everything. Focus grouping takes
you, it shows you what they used

956
00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:08,280
to like. But if you want to move
the show in new directions or

957
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,160
tried different things, you
actually have to experiment with

958
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,650
it, but you will get that
feedback, you're gonna get a

959
00:55:13,650 --> 00:55:17,340
push backs. And now you know,
this sucks. Don't do that again.

960
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:21,630
And you know, and then the
donations go way down. So it's

961
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:26,190
an interesting tightrope walk,
but it's direct support from the

962
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:29,250
listeners. And, and people have
come up with all kinds of

963
00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:33,930
different complaints about it.
You know, you know, why do we

964
00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:39,240
Why do I have to spend $100,
because I go see a movie for 50

965
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,460
bucks, and they put a lot of
money into making those movies

966
00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:43,980
and you guys don't put any money
into making this show. And they,

967
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:48,150
this is kind of weird kind of
complaints about production

968
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:50,970
costs I've been getting every
once in a while on, and I might,

969
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,790
I'd never had a real good retort
for it. Except Well, it's you

970
00:55:53,790 --> 00:55:55,830
know, it's difference like
you're paying for books on tape

971
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:58,230
is like a book, we're really
competing with books on tape,

972
00:55:58,230 --> 00:56:01,770
we're not competing with avatar.
And then I started thinking,

973
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,520
we're also competing with radio,
but you know, radio, you get 22

974
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,390
minutes an hour of action? Well,
less radio is terrible. 17

975
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:12,660
minutes of programming and 13
minutes of commercials, you

976
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:13,920
know, make your choice.

977
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,950
Right? And then how much is your
time worth? So I've used that

978
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:19,140
argument. But then I also find
another one, which I really

979
00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:22,560
haven't exploited on the show.
But, you know, because people

980
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,510
didn't, it's production. Well,
it costs a lot of money to make

981
00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:28,980
a movie. What about a novel,
novels are one of the first in

982
00:56:29,010 --> 00:56:32,040
that one of the first businesses
that are directly user

983
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,780
supported? Good point, you buy a
book, good point. And you read

984
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:38,700
the book, and you've you know,
you've already paid your money.

985
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,250
Although, of course, unlike our
show, the book you pay in

986
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:46,290
advance for the book, and you
pay in advance for the for the

987
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,660
avatar movie, you pay in advance
for a lot of these things. We

988
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,050
don't do that we're more of the
church model where you, you

989
00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:53,820
know, if you don't like to
serve, and you don't want to put

990
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:57,210
anything in the coffers, but
it's the same thing. Your books

991
00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:00,990
are user supported. And when
there's no ads in a book,

992
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:04,350
no and what and once you get
over the personal hurdle coming

993
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:09,930
from mainstream, whereby the way
we hate commercials, I've always

994
00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:11,220
hated commercials. I hate

995
00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:13,590
that's where the DVR is such a
godsend. Oh, but I

996
00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:17,100
mean, just even as a creative as
a creator of content, or like,

997
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,130
you know, I gotta I gotta hit
the commercial break. I gotta

998
00:57:20,130 --> 00:57:21,180
wait for the commercial. Yeah.

999
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,210
Terribly. You got to interrupt
your flow. Watch one of these

1000
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:27,090
shows anyone listening to this
on Fox, or anyplace else, and

1001
00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:29,670
they get somebody in a really
heated debate. But they're on a

1002
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:30,600
hard break.

1003
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:36,180
Yeah. I've seen this with Tom
Brokaw and the president. And

1004
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:39,120
they got some some guy screaming
in his ear counting down to

1005
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,460
commercial. And the President's
actually just saying something

1006
00:57:41,460 --> 00:57:45,360
really interesting. It's
annoying. It's very, very

1007
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,800
annoying as a creator to go
through that. But then it was

1008
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,660
kind of weird. At least for me,
it was, you know, you feel

1009
00:57:54,660 --> 00:57:58,890
embarrassed to ask people for
money. And there is a

1010
00:57:58,890 --> 00:58:03,510
psychological hurdle. And but
once you're over that, some got

1011
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:03,750
over

1012
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:04,710
it pretty quickly. Yeah, it's

1013
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:06,450
easy sailing. You know, it's
like, Hey,

1014
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,400
I had I had some pushback from
the family. Like, and I won't

1015
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,790
say who, but they know who they
are. Yeah. Oh, Holly, can you

1016
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:18,120
bring yourself to begging for
money for this? How can you do

1017
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,060
that? It's beneath you? Can't
you get some advertisers? I

1018
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:24,120
don't want any advertisers. If I
can get money directly from the

1019
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,200
listeners? I mean, why would I
want that? product, it just

1020
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,900
ruins the product. I mean,
there's nobody and the thing is

1021
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,870
the most of the people have not,
we've taken it to one of the

1022
00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:37,440
reasons that we do this show.
And we do this the money asking

1023
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,770
for money and support donations,
is because whatever you want to

1024
00:58:40,770 --> 00:58:47,190
call it, is because it gets us
closer to the audience was

1025
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,770
actually a good close
connection, you know, you know,

1026
00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:52,500
you know what you're getting for
your money. It just, it just

1027
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:54,000
makes you feel more honest.

1028
00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:56,820
And then there's another thing
we did, which I know was my

1029
00:58:56,820 --> 00:59:00,990
initiative, and I think it
helped us in a number of ways is

1030
00:59:00,990 --> 00:59:05,250
we decided to stream it live
when we do the show. And that

1031
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:08,520
did a number of things. One it
gave at least me, I appreciate

1032
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,240
the instant feedback loop of the
chat room. Now. I can't watch it

1033
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,440
all the time. But sometimes a
punch line will come through and

1034
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,500
they're always on a 25 second
delay. So it's interesting how

1035
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:22,260
that works. But a punch line
will come through or someone

1036
00:59:22,260 --> 00:59:26,970
might drop a link in there. But
I personally, even even if I

1037
00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:29,100
didn't have the chat room, just
knowing that people are

1038
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:32,850
listening live at that moment
gives me an energy that I've

1039
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:36,330
always loved doing things live
I'm not a big fan of recording.

1040
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:39,600
If I'm if I have to record
something, it's got to be live

1041
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,540
to tape like I do daily source
code like you do cranky geeks,

1042
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:46,710
all of that stream live as well
now, I just want to live live

1043
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:49,860
live because then you can leave
all the warts in there and all

1044
00:59:49,860 --> 00:59:52,350
the all the crazy shit and
actually makes it more

1045
00:59:52,350 --> 00:59:56,730
interesting when it's not highly
produced. And it also forces us

1046
00:59:56,730 --> 01:00:00,210
to kind of you know, I think
before we're doing it live I was

1047
01:00:00,210 --> 01:00:03,090
like, hey, what time should we
do the show? Well, I got this. I

1048
01:00:03,090 --> 01:00:07,920
got that now. It's like, there's
my schedule is Thursday morning.

1049
01:00:08,430 --> 01:00:13,650
I get up, I get up same 630. I
get up. And from then on out,

1050
01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:17,220
it's no agenda Sunday morning,
630. I get up from then on. It's

1051
01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:17,850
no agenda. I

1052
01:00:17,850 --> 01:00:19,920
know, I had the same thing he
said, but occasionally we've had

1053
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,680
to move the show to Wednesday
night. It hasn't. We haven't had

1054
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,840
that in a long time. But we're
gonna have it next month,

1055
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,870
because I have a travel thing
that's interrupting both shows.

1056
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:31,170
Which brings me to a wait, let
me finish one more thing about

1057
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:34,230
the donations. One of the things
that when we went into the

1058
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:38,760
donation thing we started asking
for, for money, direct support

1059
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,660
from the listeners. This has
never really been, I've been

1060
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:45,960
figuring this out. Because it's
a form of marketing. It's that

1061
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,900
interests me but one of the
things that I that people say

1062
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:50,790
wow, you can't me yeah, how are
you? I'm sure you're starving to

1063
01:00:50,790 --> 01:00:53,610
death. And you can't do it. Once
you get an advertiser, they

1064
01:00:53,610 --> 01:00:58,440
always say, no one except us.
And I believe me, I haven't seen

1065
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,230
anything close. And I there may
be some religious programming

1066
01:01:01,230 --> 01:01:04,140
that I'm not aware of. But
nobody doing podcasting,

1067
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,550
professional level, good quality
podcasting, as we're doing has

1068
01:01:08,580 --> 01:01:13,890
taken it serious. Yeah, we are
seriously you know, we have

1069
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,500
programs, we can't wait the
night thing, we've got a

1070
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:17,130
different kinds of,

1071
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:21,390
don't call it a tip jar. We
don't work for tips,

1072
01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:24,660
do this, we're seriously doing
this. And it's like, take it or

1073
01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:28,200
leave it, this is the model
we're working with. It's gonna

1074
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,480
be a lot better the product,
you're gonna get a lot better.

1075
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,940
If you ever get anything out of
it, you get something out of it,

1076
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:36,180
you know, contribute? I mean,
just the way you would this is

1077
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:36,630
new,

1078
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:40,080
do you feel the show serves as
more than just a source of

1079
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,110
entertainment? If yes, what do
you hope to accomplish? Well,

1080
01:01:43,110 --> 01:01:48,870
first of all, let me say, from
my perspective, I absolutely see

1081
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:52,920
this as a form of entertainment.
I hope everyone is entertained

1082
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,950
by our show, they have to if
you're not entertained, we have

1083
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:59,670
blown it. You have there has to
be a moment where an

1084
01:01:59,670 --> 01:02:02,730
entertainment comes in, in
different ways. It can be funny,

1085
01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:06,000
it can be dramatic, it can be
sad, it can be frightening,

1086
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,120
whatever emotion button we're
hitting, it has to be

1087
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,050
entertainment. Otherwise, why
Listen, number just be boring.

1088
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,690
I remember somebody sent us a
link. So well, there's a couple

1089
01:02:15,690 --> 01:02:18,210
people that do a show like
yours. And they send us a link

1090
01:02:18,210 --> 01:02:21,660
to somebody show that was very
much like ours, they

1091
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:25,170
deconstructed the news a bit.
They tended not to have our

1092
01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:27,720
perspectives, but they you know,
they did a fairly decent job.

1093
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:32,820
And it was so dull. They had no
it was just like this academic

1094
01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:36,990
Drew, you can't get you know,
it's just the modern audience is

1095
01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:40,050
the modern audience. And and no
matter how intellectual you

1096
01:02:40,050 --> 01:02:43,920
might think you are, you will be
better served by someone who

1097
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,480
feed you information in a way
that keeps your attention. And

1098
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,550
to keep your attention. You have
to have an element of

1099
01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:53,010
entertainment. Our
personalities, generally

1100
01:02:53,010 --> 01:02:57,150
speaking, I think are are are
the entertainment.

1101
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,440
Also, and I've only had this one
I humor? Of course, yes.

1102
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,580
Obviously. I've only had this
one other time in my career, the

1103
01:03:05,580 --> 01:03:09,000
sometimes you just find these
magical combinations. And it's

1104
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,910
not by design, you can't train
for it, you can't go to school

1105
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:15,480
for it. It just happens. And you
have these combos that just

1106
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,570
work. And this is one of those
that just work. In fact, my

1107
01:03:18,570 --> 01:03:21,150
biggest fear now. And I know
what yours is, John, but my

1108
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:23,880
biggest fear is you're going to
roll over and die one day and

1109
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:27,180
the show will be over. And I
know you're in use at least

1110
01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:28,140
you're afraid

1111
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:31,260
I'm gonna go crazy and leave
Mickey and go off the deep end.

1112
01:03:31,260 --> 01:03:32,220
I mean, I know what you're

1113
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:36,960
thinking. Yeah, I think that can
happen any minute. Our pledge

1114
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,070
asks on Twitter, Mr. Devaraj,
your campaign seems to have the

1115
01:03:41,070 --> 01:03:43,470
momentum of a runaway freight
train.

1116
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:44,700
Hey, there's the

1117
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:49,710
meme. Why are you so popular? I
think we answered that question

1118
01:03:49,710 --> 01:03:54,420
just now. Also, the no agenda
chat folks, one of the

1119
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:56,670
moderators should be invited.
They've donated a lot of their

1120
01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:58,230
time when they're invited to
listen to the show and we're

1121
01:03:58,230 --> 01:04:01,020
done with it. We next time,
maybe we can do something more

1122
01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:01,470
for them.

1123
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:04,890
This show is the first one a
long time that we're not

1124
01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:08,520
streaming live but also this is
a different type of show. We're

1125
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,580
just kind of so let's answer the
second part of that question

1126
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:15,000
though. What do you hope to
accomplish what do you hope to

1127
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,440
accomplish John with this show?

1128
01:04:17,340 --> 01:04:20,820
I think at Sutton and this is
going to be this sounds really

1129
01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:25,110
this is not going to sound good.
Because that because it makes

1130
01:04:25,110 --> 01:04:29,610
you sad there's a kind of a
you'll you'll see what I eat

1131
01:04:29,610 --> 01:04:34,410
cake. No, no, I think that we I
think honestly believe that

1132
01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:39,540
we're doing a serious public
service to bring people

1133
01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:41,940
generally peep people that are
listening to the show. I've

1134
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:44,130
always believed this would be
even when I'm a writer, people

1135
01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,710
always say well what do you
what? When I'm writing like in

1136
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:49,200
PC Magazine when I was writing
all those years and inside

1137
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,530
track, I always had a vision of
what what was I trying to

1138
01:04:52,530 --> 01:04:55,080
accomplish and what I was trying
to accomplish because I knew it

1139
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,780
would get me more readers a bit
busy for selfish reason. By the

1140
01:04:57,780 --> 01:05:01,320
way, I knew it to get me more
readers Mike concept was if I

1141
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,280
could if somebody read my
column, and they're working in a

1142
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,840
cubicle, and my, my column was
designed to give them an edge

1143
01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:13,080
over the guy in the other
cubicle who wasn't reading my

1144
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,950
column. And I've always believed
that that this is your, you

1145
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:19,920
know, the value proposition.
It's a phrase I hate. But it was

1146
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,050
one of the things I've always
it's always in the back of my

1147
01:05:22,050 --> 01:05:26,280
mind. I'm trying to give people
some edge over the people who

1148
01:05:26,310 --> 01:05:28,020
aren't paying attention to me,

1149
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:32,400
oh, no, this is basically we
want you the audience to be able

1150
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,310
to get laid because you sound
smarter listening to us.

1151
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,940
Exactly. I mean, at the end of
the day, isn't that it? Or a job

1152
01:05:38,970 --> 01:05:40,200
or a promotion or

1153
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,320
anything? It can enrich your
life? Because you had that one

1154
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,830
little bit of information that
someone went, Oh, like I said,

1155
01:05:46,830 --> 01:05:49,590
something interesting. She has
an interesting take on stuff.

1156
01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:56,460
And for me, it's that maybe it
just that this is for you. No,

1157
01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:59,310
I'll tell you what it is. This
is I think I was born to do

1158
01:05:59,310 --> 01:06:02,610
this. I think everyone was born
to do something. And it took me

1159
01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:06,060
a long time with a lot of
detours. And I've been counting

1160
01:06:06,060 --> 01:06:09,330
down the hits. And I've you
know, I've pretended to run

1161
01:06:09,330 --> 01:06:14,250
companies with varying degrees
of success but but basically

1162
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,660
writing off of fame and fortune,
which in itself is interesting.

1163
01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:23,820
To have a perspective from from
that angle. But this I love

1164
01:06:23,820 --> 01:06:27,120
this. I so love it. And you
know, people say, Man, you work

1165
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,340
really hard. You do a lot. We
have house guests, and they'll

1166
01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:31,680
be like, Oh, my God, Adams
always on my thing. And he's

1167
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,130
editing and he's recording
stuff. I love it. And it's not

1168
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,520
it doesn't even feel like work.
I love this. I love what we do.

1169
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,560
I love what I do. But and that's
also completely selfish. But to

1170
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,310
get you laid,

1171
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:48,480
hey, no, no good, actually good.
works generally are selfish at

1172
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,810
some level. Because you you
know, if you think you're

1173
01:06:51,810 --> 01:06:54,390
helping somebody, sometimes it's
selfish because you get a good

1174
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:57,210
feeling from it. And that's a
selfish thing. Although it

1175
01:06:57,210 --> 01:06:59,760
wouldn't be defined as such by
anybody in their right mind.

1176
01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:02,580
So let's talk about the open
source model for just well wait,

1177
01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:03,090
before we do

1178
01:07:03,090 --> 01:07:05,250
that, since you brought kind of
brought it up. I want to bring

1179
01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:07,890
in Simon Smith's question from
Twitter, which says when we

1180
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:10,920
offer relationship advice on no
agenda, my wife doesn't react

1181
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,080
well to the hookers and blow
angle.

1182
01:07:14,250 --> 01:07:16,050
Really? She should try it.

1183
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,540
What does that mean? I don't
know. Some people just you know,

1184
01:07:21,540 --> 01:07:21,690
we

1185
01:07:21,690 --> 01:07:27,720
do get i Here's a certain thing.
Two things I hear. One is people

1186
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,930
don't like the hookers and blow
because they it puts some people

1187
01:07:30,930 --> 01:07:36,390
off. Okay. That's just who we
are. I guess. And we find it

1188
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:40,380
amusing. You know, I don't
think, John, I've never done

1189
01:07:40,380 --> 01:07:44,190
blow. And I certainly have never
done the combination of hookers

1190
01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:45,660
and blow at the same time.

1191
01:07:46,590 --> 01:07:49,800
So sure, you admit to doing
hookers? Yeah, absolutely.

1192
01:07:49,830 --> 01:07:51,450
You'd like you've never done
hookers.

1193
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,220
And I don't discuss these things
in public. Or was this odd? By

1194
01:07:56,220 --> 01:08:02,070
the way the hookers situation is
a cycle and the 30s of the 70s

1195
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:04,920
Big Lots of hookers. And so
we're gonna get we're going into

1196
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,510
a new cycle of hookers in
probably starting around 2012

1197
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:10,200
This way,

1198
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,530
I am not against hookers. I
think that there's a lot of bad

1199
01:08:13,530 --> 01:08:17,970
stuff that happens in the sex
industry. But if you know

1200
01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:21,900
there's a lot of women who
support their children and and

1201
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:24,600
themselves and if that's what
they want to do, and it can be

1202
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,300
done in a safe manner power to
you. I grew up in Amsterdam. I

1203
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:31,230
saw it working quite well. Thank
you. What's the problem is when

1204
01:08:31,230 --> 01:08:35,070
it gets driven underground.
That's a whole separate show.

1205
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:36,990
So now what was your right now?
What was your

1206
01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:40,890
the second one? People say?
Well, I tried to help people

1207
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:43,440
listen to the show. But then
they hear the opening and the

1208
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:47,460
hole in the morning thing. I
think it's some BS, top 40 You

1209
01:08:47,460 --> 01:08:49,590
know, weenie in the butt show.
And then they don't listen.

1210
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:53,610
And I don't know what we can do
about that nothing.

1211
01:08:53,610 --> 01:08:56,580
But I actually like it because
you have to once you get over

1212
01:08:56,580 --> 01:09:02,310
that hump, then then you can get
kind of sucked in. So no, that's

1213
01:09:02,310 --> 01:09:04,830
also a mask that's probably
important. Can you imagine like

1214
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,300
some meeting going on at the NSA
or the CIA and they're like,

1215
01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:12,300
we've got to get rid of these
guys. I hear bad things about

1216
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:15,180
that Korean War analysts listen
to the show. And they hear this

1217
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:18,030
whole in the morning bit. And
like, wow, that can't be

1218
01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:18,570
anything.

1219
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,650
Definitely puts like puts people
or

1220
01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:26,040
maybe echelon. You know, Echelon
is sniffing a show. And they're

1221
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,940
like, Oh, this is

1222
01:09:28,050 --> 01:09:30,300
just what you said. The guy goes
into a meeting says these guys

1223
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:33,420
are they're subversive, these
two guys. And the guy says

1224
01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:35,340
really? Well, let me hear what
let me hear the show. And then

1225
01:09:35,340 --> 01:09:38,790
they start playing it with that
opening. That Greg Vaughn

1226
01:09:38,790 --> 01:09:44,700
buzzkill, the guy says, Get the
hell out of my office you

1227
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:45,180
practice

1228
01:09:46,529 --> 01:09:51,809
by the way that is now that you
mentioned it. I purposely love

1229
01:09:51,869 --> 01:09:54,569
and I don't know who came up
with the moniker but I love

1230
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:56,939
being called the crackpot
because it is the ultimate

1231
01:09:56,939 --> 01:10:00,959
shield. The ultimate because
some of the stuff We say and I

1232
01:10:00,959 --> 01:10:04,289
think we get pretty close to the
truth and a lot of issues. I

1233
01:10:04,289 --> 01:10:06,779
would rather people say, Oh,
he's just a conspiracy theorist.

1234
01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,139
He's just a crackpot. Because
that will save me from getting

1235
01:10:10,139 --> 01:10:13,199
killed. We've talked about

1236
01:10:13,499 --> 01:10:17,099
Yeah, excellent. I think it's a
good theory. And it's it's a

1237
01:10:17,099 --> 01:10:20,009
likeable theory. But that, you
know, we shot to track down the

1238
01:10:20,009 --> 01:10:24,629
guy who coined crackpot and
buzzkill it was an email I got

1239
01:10:24,629 --> 01:10:27,359
and we mentioned on the next
show, we mentioned it and you

1240
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:29,759
thought it was great to be
called the crackpot. Yeah, I

1241
01:10:29,759 --> 01:10:33,059
love and so then we our artwork
started to have a crackpot and

1242
01:10:33,059 --> 01:10:36,449
buzzkill put on it. So we just
reiterated the whole thing we

1243
01:10:36,449 --> 01:10:36,689
should.

1244
01:10:36,959 --> 01:10:40,859
So now please, let's move into
that open source nature of the

1245
01:10:40,859 --> 01:10:44,789
show. So two amazing things
which are a part of the model, a

1246
01:10:44,789 --> 01:10:48,779
part of the openness and the
freedom and the and the support

1247
01:10:48,779 --> 01:10:53,369
of through donations is we don't
own anything. We don't well, I

1248
01:10:53,369 --> 01:10:55,799
mean, I guess technically, if
you really looked at it, we do a

1249
01:10:55,799 --> 01:10:59,609
microphone. Yeah. But the show
is whatever it is. And we have

1250
01:10:59,609 --> 01:11:05,009
people cutting this up, splicing
it, putting it into all kinds of

1251
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:10,709
making rants, ringtones, making
trans music out of it. But we

1252
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:14,279
also have people who who create
things. So a lot of our jingles

1253
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,009
by the way, we could use a lot
more and we'd love them. But we

1254
01:11:17,009 --> 01:11:19,499
are very critical. We don't just
use everything people send in a

1255
01:11:19,499 --> 01:11:21,989
lot of people send in stuff that
we just feel is not good enough.

1256
01:11:23,609 --> 01:11:29,879
We have artwork, and we have two
main artists, sir Randy Asher

1257
01:11:29,879 --> 01:11:34,589
and Sir Paul T. And they, you
know, these guys have jobs, they

1258
01:11:34,589 --> 01:11:38,909
do stuff, who knows what they
do. And they they spend their

1259
01:11:38,909 --> 01:11:43,109
time they create artwork for us
for almost every single show.

1260
01:11:43,109 --> 01:11:45,959
Now there's no agenda art.com
where people can drop art. And

1261
01:11:45,959 --> 01:11:48,839
we've used the art from
different artists, if anything,

1262
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,689
we so after every show, people
should know we have a

1263
01:11:51,689 --> 01:11:54,449
discussion. So the first thing
we say is what do we think of

1264
01:11:54,449 --> 01:11:58,319
the show? And there's been a
couple of times we said, Well,

1265
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:00,959
that sucked. And we're pretty
brutal with each other. Although

1266
01:12:00,959 --> 01:12:03,689
John never agrees with my
criticism of him. If I say,

1267
01:12:03,689 --> 01:12:05,969
Well, you sucked on that. It's
like, No, that was really good.

1268
01:12:07,709 --> 01:12:10,379
And if you criticize me, you're
usually right. And I just take

1269
01:12:10,379 --> 01:12:16,379
it like a man. Hi. So we we talk
about that. And then we talk

1270
01:12:16,379 --> 01:12:16,919
about

1271
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,950
what's actually it's important
post mortem that most

1272
01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:20,880
publications do.

1273
01:12:20,970 --> 01:12:24,840
Yeah. Then we'll say what, what
do we call the show? So we think

1274
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,470
about what will get the best SEO
results? What will people be

1275
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:32,190
searching, we want all those
accidental hits. And then we

1276
01:12:32,190 --> 01:12:34,950
have to choose from the artwork.
And that is sometimes the

1277
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:39,180
hardest part because it's so
good. We don't want to have one

1278
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:42,270
guy put off over the other guy
because they both sent them

1279
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:45,030
something great is that's a hard
choice sometimes.

1280
01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:48,600
Yeah, it's amazing. We have, and
there's other artists waiting in

1281
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,170
the wings that contribute on an
occasional basis. We have some

1282
01:12:52,170 --> 01:12:56,280
tremendous support from these
guys. And then you know, Asher

1283
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,640
set up his own t shirt shop and
through I don't know what

1284
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,690
mechanism and you know, we

1285
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,230
Genda stuff that calm stuff.
Yeah.

1286
01:13:04,350 --> 01:13:07,230
And we have, you know, all these
guys, and we've encouraged it,

1287
01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:09,780
and we don't we don't have our
name, trademark. Somebody came

1288
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,420
up with an email the other day
that said, Senator, I think I

1289
01:13:12,420 --> 01:13:15,690
got a good promotional idea. Why
don't you trademark in the

1290
01:13:15,690 --> 01:13:19,260
morning. And then every time you
hear anybody saying it on any

1291
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:22,440
show whatsoever, send them a
cease and desist order, and then

1292
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,680
they'll promote you. And you'll
get free publicity, although

1293
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,040
it's actually a funny idea. But
it's not our model at all.

1294
01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:33,480
It sounds like work. And that's
one thing we hate to do any

1295
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:37,740
work, we actually don't want to
do anything. We just want to do

1296
01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:40,590
this show. We don't want to have
any extra work. We don't want to

1297
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:44,940
do any extra promotion stuff
that involves leaving a

1298
01:13:44,940 --> 01:13:45,570
computer.

1299
01:13:48,510 --> 01:13:51,780
How are we going to interrupt
right there and talk about some

1300
01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:54,240
of the things that we talked
about on that show. And then

1301
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:57,810
also, we're going to maybe do a
little bit of a reiteration of

1302
01:13:57,810 --> 01:14:02,550
what our commentary was two
years later, where we corrected

1303
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:06,360
ourselves because after two
years from 2010 to 2012, a lot

1304
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,330
changed. A lot change. And we're
going to discuss a little bit of

1305
01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:11,280
that and we'll get back to the
show. But let's talk about a

1306
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,680
couple of things. I wrote down
some notes on this. Can I say

1307
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:13,980
something

1308
01:14:13,980 --> 01:14:20,400
first? Sure. I want to thank you
for putting up with my shit. We

1309
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,530
cut the whole middle part the
same state

1310
01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:25,410
I didn't know you know what I
mean? You get the viewer

1311
01:14:25,410 --> 01:14:26,430
insulting in some

1312
01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:31,710
Yes. And I apologize for that.
But it one point you said that

1313
01:14:31,710 --> 01:14:34,260
we're talking about, you know,
what is our greatest fear? I'm

1314
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:36,570
like, Oh, I'm afraid that you
know you're gonna drop dead one

1315
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:41,820
day won't have a show. And then
you and you were afraid of I

1316
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:46,350
would leave Mickey and go crazy.
So you had part of it right?

1317
01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:50,790
You love Mickey? He went crazy.
Wow. No, no.

1318
01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:56,430
No, but I listen, I'm like, Wow,
man. You know, you certainly

1319
01:14:56,430 --> 01:15:00,990
certainly into in the in the
earlier part of the Have the

1320
01:15:00,990 --> 01:15:04,500
sequence of shows that he has no
agenda. You put up a lot of a

1321
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,050
lot of my crap, and I appreciate
it. You start out with me, you

1322
01:15:07,050 --> 01:15:07,950
hung in there.

1323
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:11,160
Well, I knew we had something
going. And then you

1324
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,190
had this episode 100 where I
wanted to quit.

1325
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:17,580
Yeah, you actually wanted to
quit. Full time. How

1326
01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:20,430
stupid was that? No, I got a
couple of

1327
01:15:21,090 --> 01:15:23,370
100. By the way, it was the
deuce club show we did very

1328
01:15:23,370 --> 01:15:27,420
well, we had a lot of support.
And we're changing our club

1329
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:30,300
structure. So we can so people
can all be deduced club members

1330
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:34,320
will be part of the the club.
Yeah. I'll figure out some how

1331
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,500
to wait to put that together
shortly. But let's start talking

1332
01:15:37,500 --> 01:15:41,130
about a few of the things that
we discussed in the interim that

1333
01:15:41,130 --> 01:15:45,570
have changed and one of them was
show prep. Okay. You made a wish

1334
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,420
you'd had a different way of
doing show prep in 2010. You

1335
01:15:48,420 --> 01:15:51,870
changed it a little bit in 2012,
which was then you talked about

1336
01:15:51,870 --> 01:15:55,980
it. Now your show prep is
completely different. to an

1337
01:15:55,980 --> 01:15:58,800
extreme, I'd say, and what is it
now?

1338
01:15:58,830 --> 01:16:03,420
Okay. Yes, that's a good
question. Dave Jones, who was

1339
01:16:03,420 --> 01:16:07,290
one of our producers, who lives
in Alabama, he's a dude named

1340
01:16:07,290 --> 01:16:11,670
Ben for, I think a tax
preparation firm, as small or

1341
01:16:11,670 --> 01:16:16,230
smallish firm. And he and I were
we were kind of working on Dave

1342
01:16:16,230 --> 01:16:21,060
Winer, was a big outliner guy,
besides, you know, working

1343
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:24,690
together at podcasting, but he's
always been about organizing

1344
01:16:24,690 --> 01:16:29,040
information and outline, I've
naturally drawn to the idea of

1345
01:16:30,510 --> 01:16:33,360
the organizing information and
outliner with expanding you

1346
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,200
know, trees, and you can see
what's underneath it. And Dave

1347
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,720
Jones just on his own time, and
this has been going on for I

1348
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,180
think we're now in our fifth
year have been building the

1349
01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:44,730
system, which we call the
freedom controller, which is

1350
01:16:44,730 --> 01:16:47,520
open source, you can download it
run on your own server, you can

1351
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,680
do anything you can you can
replicate everything we're

1352
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,130
doing. It's you know, it has
documentation to and updates,

1353
01:16:54,180 --> 01:16:58,650
where we have this template for
each show that has a lot of the

1354
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,450
initial things that are in
there. But also there's an

1355
01:17:00,450 --> 01:17:04,860
entire system whenever I see an
article that I think is

1356
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:07,470
interesting, or if you send me a
link that to that is an article

1357
01:17:07,470 --> 01:17:10,350
that's interesting, I have a
bookmarklet on my phone and bet

1358
01:17:10,350 --> 01:17:15,570
any any browser I have, and it
will not only it will place that

1359
01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:19,500
article into an outline into an
outline format, and also save an

1360
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:23,790
offline copy. A stripped down
kind of like a What does that

1361
01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:27,390
mean abstract? Well, it's just
without it's just without

1362
01:17:27,390 --> 01:17:31,140
formatting. It's without the
format it Yeah, but it says it

1363
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:33,330
has everything in there,
including the images, it will

1364
01:17:33,330 --> 01:17:37,290
save all of that. And what's
cool about it is, you know, I

1365
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:39,810
set up all these topics, and
then I can drag and drop all the

1366
01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:43,290
sound files in that we use after
the fact. And pretty much the

1367
01:17:43,290 --> 01:17:47,190
show prep is already the show
notes. So when we're done, often

1368
01:17:47,190 --> 01:17:50,730
we're still doing our post show
post mortem on our gossip. And

1369
01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:54,570
then I'll pretty much I hit
publish. And it turns the show

1370
01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:58,380
notes, all the stuff that we use
into the show prep into the show

1371
01:17:58,380 --> 01:18:03,360
notes. It's a it's a dynamite
system, it is one for me, at

1372
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:08,970
least on the production side, it
is it really, really completes

1373
01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:12,030
the whole product that we're
making. And because it's all

1374
01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:16,620
structured data, we've had these
great developers who have been

1375
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:20,640
able to create apps, but also
the search

1376
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,810
search.na shownotes.com. All of
that flows very easily, very

1377
01:18:24,810 --> 01:18:27,810
automatically into anything
because of the format that it's

1378
01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:31,110
in. That's the main, the main
difference, it also saves me

1379
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:36,540
hours and hours of time I can
even if you send me an email,

1380
01:18:36,540 --> 01:18:38,490
and I did want to talk about
that from it, if you send me an

1381
01:18:38,490 --> 01:18:43,410
email that I put it into a
folder on my on my IMAP email

1382
01:18:43,410 --> 01:18:46,890
system. And then when I'm doing
my show prep, usually the

1383
01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:50,520
evening before the show, I can
hit import, and it'll import all

1384
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,130
of the emails that I've saved,
which just have you know, text

1385
01:18:53,130 --> 01:18:55,410
or something interesting that
someone said, and I can go in

1386
01:18:55,410 --> 01:18:59,700
and edit out any, any email
address or anything I want to.

1387
01:19:00,210 --> 01:19:04,020
So it everything flows into this
one system. And it's really

1388
01:19:04,020 --> 01:19:08,520
dynamite. It's I think that
every podcast should be using it

1389
01:19:08,610 --> 01:19:09,330
when honestly.

1390
01:19:10,890 --> 01:19:14,190
Well the night before, what do
you do that you say show prep,

1391
01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:15,870
this is kind of show prep,
right?

1392
01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:19,290
So the night before I well it
does the night before in the

1393
01:19:19,290 --> 01:19:21,480
morning before and I don't have
to get up as early as you do.

1394
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:24,030
But I get up at seven and the
show starts at 11 for me so I

1395
01:19:24,030 --> 01:19:27,750
have all this time. The night
before, that's really when I go

1396
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:31,500
crazy, just getting as many
clips recording clips, doing as

1397
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:35,100
much as I can, which will also
be intermingled with if I have

1398
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:37,440
an analysis of something. So if
there's a document if there's

1399
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,260
legislation if there's something
else, I'll really spend a lot of

1400
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:42,690
time the evening before I
typically don't go to bed before

1401
01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:46,170
one or 2am So it's a short
night, but that gets in the

1402
01:19:46,170 --> 01:19:48,330
morning and then I hit so the
clips are kind of all ready to

1403
01:19:48,330 --> 01:19:52,530
go. And then I start organizing
all of the topics into the

1404
01:19:52,530 --> 01:19:54,930
familiar if you'd look at the
show notes into all the familiar

1405
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,340
sub headings of of different of
different topics that we

1406
01:19:59,340 --> 01:20:04,380
discuss. And then just before
the show, you know, I organized

1407
01:20:04,380 --> 01:20:08,040
the clips into little folders,
you send your clips. I don't

1408
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,950
listen to him. I just drop them
right in. I don't even really

1409
01:20:10,950 --> 01:20:12,690
look at him at all. If you say
you've

1410
01:20:12,690 --> 01:20:15,090
decided not to listen to my
clip, I've never listened to it

1411
01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:18,780
for the purposes of
extemporaneous discussion,

1412
01:20:18,810 --> 01:20:23,670
surprised. I mean, yeah, that's
the way our whole theory. I

1413
01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:27,450
think we talked about it. And we
do we do. Yeah, our whole theory

1414
01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:30,330
is, and this is based on a lot
of different things we both

1415
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:35,670
experience is the pre interview
and the rehearsal. Yeah. If you

1416
01:20:35,670 --> 01:20:40,230
do, like, yeah, life is drained
from a show like this, if we

1417
01:20:40,230 --> 01:20:45,870
rehearsed. So it's done as a
performance. Performance Art,

1418
01:20:45,870 --> 01:20:50,100
it's done like, like improv. And
a lot of people are surprised by

1419
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:52,560
it, because we are so good
working together, which is the

1420
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,230
reason that you like working
with me is that I am fairly good

1421
01:20:55,230 --> 01:20:59,790
and not as good as I could be at
cueing you to. So I'd be saying

1422
01:20:59,790 --> 01:21:03,090
something and it's a cue for a
clip, you'll be looking for the

1423
01:21:03,090 --> 01:21:06,840
clip. And then I say, and then
you can't believe what he said,

1424
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:10,200
boom, the clip starts playing.
Yeah. And that's all this

1425
01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:13,080
engineering talent that you
have. And your ability to do.

1426
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,830
That is why it was It surprises
people. We talked about this off

1427
01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:20,220
the air, about how we do have a
lot of radio people that listen,

1428
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:20,610
they think

1429
01:21:20,610 --> 01:21:24,300
we have a whole staff and we
have messaging lights, and

1430
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:29,310
you're starting clips or no
idea. I want my morning show to

1431
01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:31,800
sound like that. I said, well,
good luck with that, buddy.

1432
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:32,700
That's not gonna happen.

1433
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:37,020
So it's all single handed, which
is, and slick. We do have

1434
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:39,990
dropped the ball occasionally.
And something I have to stop the

1435
01:21:39,990 --> 01:21:42,570
clip because I didn't set it up
completely. And Adams jumped in

1436
01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:45,660
the guy. And sometimes you're in
a queue and there wasn't one

1437
01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:46,740
there, or you'll be cute,

1438
01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:49,290
or you'll be you'll be talking
about a clip and like, what is

1439
01:21:49,290 --> 01:21:51,630
it but then instead of digital,
it'll be

1440
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:54,330
play the wrong clip on occasion.

1441
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,840
You just misspell clips
sometimes? No, and

1442
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:04,590
that's sometimes often I have a
tendency to want to wreck doing

1443
01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:06,840
the clips out here. Just type
something in that I think I'm

1444
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,980
hitting the right keys. If it
goes and I never edit it, so it

1445
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:12,390
goes in this you know something,

1446
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:14,910
because it might have your clips
alphabetically.

1447
01:22:15,210 --> 01:22:23,910
The story about Jordan could be
ended up as y j, p, Jad n. S T

1448
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:24,420
Y.

1449
01:22:24,930 --> 01:22:28,320
I've learned I've learned to
vote yes or why some learn to

1450
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,040
work around it.

1451
01:22:29,070 --> 01:22:32,400
But I know that's why, in fact,
if you hadn't learned to work

1452
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,400
around it, I'd probably put more
effort into making this spelling

1453
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:35,910
correct.

1454
01:22:36,150 --> 01:22:39,450
There's something else that has
changed in the interim since our

1455
01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:47,040
last since to 200.6. Podcasting
has seen a resurgence. And as

1456
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:47,160
the

1457
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,730
mainstream media picks what I
think I think about this, I'm

1458
01:22:50,730 --> 01:22:55,080
sure you do too, but it's almost
as if the mainstream media and

1459
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:59,070
the broadcast media, the radio
people for sure, have said it

1460
01:22:59,070 --> 01:23:02,190
finally came into a meeting and
said, you think that these guys

1461
01:23:02,190 --> 01:23:05,100
could actually, you know,
replace us because they don't

1462
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:08,760
have really the overhead we have
right? Well, we can do

1463
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,870
podcasting, too.

1464
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:12,600
That's right. The union said Oh,
no. Oh, no.

1465
01:23:13,050 --> 01:23:15,630
So you so they start doing
podcasting and all of a sudden

1466
01:23:15,630 --> 01:23:18,330
they're interested and so they
write articles about it. Yeah.

1467
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:21,870
Yeah, of course. We're generally
even though we're I'd say

1468
01:23:21,870 --> 01:23:25,350
pioneers having going on our
eighth year. We never get

1469
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:28,380
mentioned in these articles. No,
just barely mentioned each

1470
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:32,520
other. Oh, PBS has got early a
podcast about about gemstones.

1471
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:36,810
Yeah, well, the big difference.
And this is something that we

1472
01:23:36,810 --> 01:23:41,160
just naturally understood and
have done from day one, radio or

1473
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:46,290
television, any type of linear
media. They always do 59 minutes

1474
01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:49,500
and 58 seconds it's going to be
exactly an hour that you know

1475
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:51,900
everything is back times. You
know, Bo, we're going to talk

1476
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:54,930
this lot in fact, if you look at
scripts even for podcasts that

1477
01:23:54,930 --> 01:24:00,510
NPR does, it's the it's the
script that has the seconds next

1478
01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:03,810
to it so each line is a second
right. You know what I mean to

1479
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:08,130
Chris and we don't have to worry
about the next show we don't

1480
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:11,880
have to worry about hitting a
sponsor break no heartbreak no

1481
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,270
heartbreaks no news if we can go
as long as when we can start

1482
01:24:15,690 --> 01:24:19,080
with the hour now we can start
whenever we want a graphic on

1483
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,800
the eighth or the yes or the
threes or the sixes and we take

1484
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,120
it we have from the get go
seeing that I think is

1485
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,600
completely liberating like Oh, I
could you know I can just talk

1486
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,410
until the either faces Oh yeah,
well until we both know that

1487
01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:38,940
it's time or bore you know yours
boring when we call each other

1488
01:24:38,940 --> 01:24:41,670
you call me out more often than
I call you out but you know,

1489
01:24:41,790 --> 01:24:45,570
it's good. And I like the raw
nature of it. I feel that people

1490
01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:50,010
are mad we've always felt as if
people are so tired of the pro

1491
01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:53,700
formulaic way that programming
is put together

1492
01:24:53,730 --> 01:24:57,480
we mock it we every once a while
we catch a democracy now the guy

1493
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,000
said one of the worst thing
about this is that they're gonna

1494
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,120
have a meeting tomorrow. And we
got to hit sorry, we were done

1495
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,400
for today. Your talk to you
later.

1496
01:25:05,940 --> 01:25:08,730
The guy sorry, yeah, got to go
just when it's getting

1497
01:25:08,730 --> 01:25:09,930
interesting Exactly.

1498
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:16,500
This happened in Media Writing
media too. And as a columnist,

1499
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:22,200
when you're writing for print,
you write to the, generally

1500
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:26,100
speaking, you write to a number.
So you they want 650 words, you

1501
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:32,040
try to get 635, just 656 760,
maybe, and they cut out stuff,

1502
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,520
put something in, right, or they
just pad but you try you because

1503
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,400
there's a spot there that you
think is going to appear in it.

1504
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,910
It's only so much area, right?
And so you have to write two

1505
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:45,570
numbers. So you do and there's
different styles you 500 word

1506
01:25:45,570 --> 01:25:50,070
essay, 650 word essay, 750s 1200
they're all pretty standard. You

1507
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:53,700
can after years and years of
doing it, you can in your brain.

1508
01:25:53,790 --> 01:25:58,230
You can It's astonishing to do
you go right to 650 and stop and

1509
01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:02,040
you do a word count boom, six.
Right, right. Right, right. Well

1510
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:06,060
with the internet that ended and
that, again, is liberating,

1511
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:09,660
because you maybe want to ramble
a little bit. So it goes to 752,

1512
01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:11,520
which has these different
numbers, it could be anything

1513
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,220
you wanted to because there's no
real page layout that you have

1514
01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:17,520
to worry about. I was amused by
one of my editors, I think it

1515
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,150
was at PC computing for a number
of years. John Zilber, who

1516
01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:25,650
became a PR guy later, but he
used to be one of these guys.

1517
01:26:25,650 --> 01:26:29,520
And I think this is the drawback
he would start writing and that

1518
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,660
because it was no end, he would
just go crazy. He writes 7000

1519
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:35,190
words on some row but

1520
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:38,040
this is also a problem. And so
if you look at the intercept,

1521
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,850
which is the $250 million
WordPress blog from PR Dr. Mike

1522
01:26:41,850 --> 01:26:46,620
calm and he media, they don't
have editors and it goes on so

1523
01:26:46,620 --> 01:26:49,620
long. They just your eyes glaze
over. Like, I can't read

1524
01:26:49,620 --> 01:26:52,710
anymore. I'm so tired of it. And
we don't allow that to happen.

1525
01:26:53,130 --> 01:26:57,180
Because we we stopped each other
either. Naturally, just suddenly

1526
01:26:57,210 --> 01:27:00,390
we go into another topic, we are
editing each other at the same

1527
01:27:00,390 --> 01:27:01,500
time in real time.

1528
01:27:01,740 --> 01:27:06,810
That said, when we did show 200
at point five which people have

1529
01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:11,370
heard or heard half of so far,
we do discuss on the show an

1530
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,210
hour and a half you know are all
right we we can't I think we

1531
01:27:15,210 --> 01:27:18,870
ended it was saying something
like to do it. We couldn't go

1532
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:22,110
under an hour and a half or two
hours or something that's like a

1533
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:23,220
joke. Now.

1534
01:27:24,330 --> 01:27:25,290
Why is that?

1535
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:30,510
Well, I think we do deeper digs.
I think that's part of it the

1536
01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:33,960
digs deeper on the material. The
show, I think there's a

1537
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,300
shallowness to some of those
earlier shows when we came up

1538
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:38,700
with stuff and it wasn't as
interesting. And that's

1539
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:41,400
also just what the amount of
material available on the

1540
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,130
internet that has helped us
tremendously. People publishing

1541
01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:45,660
stuff everywhere, it's great.

1542
01:27:45,780 --> 01:27:48,480
We have each of us have our
little list of things we want to

1543
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,950
talk about on each show. And
that many times complimentary,

1544
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:56,400
sometimes not. And it drags on
and it goes

1545
01:27:57,510 --> 01:28:01,110
too long. The shooting for 245
that's what we try. Yeah, but

1546
01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:06,030
I can imagine five years from
now. Tons money, we're gonna

1547
01:28:06,030 --> 01:28:08,070
go to sleep for a moment, we'll
be right back

1548
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:12,480
reducers in five hours. Now,
it's not gonna happen. I think

1549
01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:17,880
we've decided, although I say we
may have decided before, we were

1550
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:22,320
going over three hours on a lot
of shows. That was I felt that

1551
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:27,240
people were gonna listen that
long and it was dragging on. And

1552
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,640
sometimes the material could
have been cut down. And just

1553
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,890
certain things we didn't need to
talk about. So here

1554
01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:37,950
is the the challenge in a way,
but also it's a benefit. We are

1555
01:28:37,950 --> 01:28:44,370
episodic. And this is why even
though we I think discourage it,

1556
01:28:44,370 --> 01:28:48,780
mainly, people want to hear all
of what we've said in a previous

1557
01:28:48,780 --> 01:28:51,690
episode. So that because we do
reference things, and I'm

1558
01:28:51,690 --> 01:28:54,570
getting better at saying Hold on
a second, let's just explain

1559
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:59,160
what this is also for ourselves,
right? I do that too. Yeah. I've

1560
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,830
gotten this question. I've
gotten better at it. Just to

1561
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:04,410
stop and say, Okay, this is
where this comes from. I'm

1562
01:29:04,410 --> 01:29:06,990
going about something from a
year ago. I mean, we've had to

1563
01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:11,040
read discuss the Benghazi thesis
which is it was a kidnap I

1564
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,490
failed kidnapping attempt,
right? We've just other things

1565
01:29:14,490 --> 01:29:16,620
that we've come up with over the
years. In fact, there was

1566
01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:20,580
something in the show 200.5
where we mentioned the Hill and

1567
01:29:20,580 --> 01:29:24,510
Knowlton was behind the Oh yeah,
alarming thing and I forgot all

1568
01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:29,130
about my bad connection. Yeah.
Well, let's go over some more

1569
01:29:29,130 --> 01:29:32,640
stuff on the list here. You made
a big deal about me handing you

1570
01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:35,940
DVDs that were highly produced
and very pretty. We don't do

1571
01:29:35,940 --> 01:29:38,700
that with labels now. We don't
do that. That's that's that we

1572
01:29:38,700 --> 01:29:40,260
also don't see each other
anymore.

1573
01:29:40,530 --> 01:29:42,600
Right. We don't see each other
anymore even though I'm gonna

1574
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,950
head down there. Oh, don't
threaten me. We do. We just

1575
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:51,000
talked about three Shows a week.
And we actually I think it was

1576
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:55,530
last year we did a third show
for for the purposes of another

1577
01:29:55,530 --> 01:30:00,900
vacation. And so we did a show.
If you remember And we were so

1578
01:30:00,900 --> 01:30:04,020
tired from doing that third show
that we there's no way now when

1579
01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:05,970
we're doing an hour and a half,
we thought it might be a good

1580
01:30:05,970 --> 01:30:08,250
way to divide it up. And it
would give us three, four and a

1581
01:30:08,250 --> 01:30:11,850
half hours a week, right of
material over three shows. But

1582
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,160
it turns out that when we're
talking about something, we

1583
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,980
can't keep it down to an hour
and a half. It's just not

1584
01:30:16,980 --> 01:30:19,950
possible it isn't. So the three
show things fell by the wayside.

1585
01:30:19,950 --> 01:30:21,690
It was never, it's just not

1586
01:30:21,690 --> 01:30:25,290
a good idea, because you just
don't have even the Friday,

1587
01:30:25,290 --> 01:30:28,920
Saturday before we do the Sunday
show. It's tight. But that was

1588
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,070
chosen specifically, because
Friday is when the throwaway

1589
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:34,350
news is put out there that
you're really not supposed to

1590
01:30:34,350 --> 01:30:36,930
know. But it's is put out there
because they need to publish

1591
01:30:36,930 --> 01:30:39,270
something. And that's where I
personally, I catch a lot of

1592
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:41,790
stuff on the Friday afternoon
news cycle, if you will.

1593
01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:46,950
And then I thought it was funny,
we had a discussion of the

1594
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:50,880
artists who at the time were
Randy Asher and Paul T, the

1595
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,880
dominant artists, this is during
the era when we actually would

1596
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,420
allow our pictures of the two of
us to be on the artwork, which

1597
01:30:57,420 --> 01:31:02,850
we have now is banned. Yeah. And
because it was just, it's just

1598
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:07,500
wasn't good. Right? Now we don't
art is really become conceptual

1599
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:08,610
is much more advanced and

1600
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:14,640
so good. Well, beside that we're
in addition to that, the

1601
01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:17,130
productions that people are
making, and again, I'm gonna say

1602
01:31:17,130 --> 01:31:20,430
this is also Moore's law, just
better computers and editing,

1603
01:31:20,430 --> 01:31:25,260
etc. We now have entire songs
mash up stuff, putting the right

1604
01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:29,370
key, I mean, really top notch
stuff that when I was working in

1605
01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:33,600
top 40 hit radio, you would
contract with people who would

1606
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,360
do that for a living and then
typically they'd make something

1607
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,570
or a spoof song and they'd send
it to 20 stations and get

1608
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,570
because they're all on the
payroll. We have people doing

1609
01:31:42,570 --> 01:31:45,660
such our producers doing such
high quality work. It's really

1610
01:31:45,660 --> 01:31:48,720
astounding some of the stuff
that we receive and use on the

1611
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:49,170
show.

1612
01:31:50,340 --> 01:31:53,760
Right, I think that's a function
of our open source nature and

1613
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,990
the volunteer nature of the
show, which is unique. We did

1614
01:31:57,990 --> 01:32:01,530
discuss a little bit about the
how the how the funding works.

1615
01:32:02,220 --> 01:32:05,700
We had there was one part of the
conversation I thought was

1616
01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:09,570
interesting, and wasn't really
explored but I like a brightly

1617
01:32:09,570 --> 01:32:14,310
lit room and Adam Do you still
like a dark? dingy kind of cave

1618
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:18,600
like atmosphere when you do the
podcast? Yes, I do. Why is this?

1619
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:23,220
I don't know. It's I think I
explained it previous and

1620
01:32:23,220 --> 01:32:26,820
breed in the dark. But I'm
eating stuff all the time. Yeah,

1621
01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:26,940
but

1622
01:32:26,940 --> 01:32:29,460
I'm reading the screens that you
read off paper I read off

1623
01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:34,140
screens. For me it's a romantic
it's part of our Okay, for me

1624
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:39,210
it's part of the theater of the
mind. I like to be closed off

1625
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,370
the dark room Yes, I did back in
my old boiler back when I was

1626
01:32:44,370 --> 01:32:47,550
smoking and I smoked
continuously during the show.

1627
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,300
You know I only needed a green
visor and then I would have been

1628
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:54,420
set you know I am sitting here
with the single light bulb

1629
01:32:54,420 --> 01:33:00,750
somewhere and so now I actually
it's in the second bedroom is

1630
01:33:00,750 --> 01:33:04,740
the studio and I have one of
those big heavy moving blankets.

1631
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,790
You know the kind that ya
accumulate after many moves,

1632
01:33:09,060 --> 01:33:14,250
then it's on to it's on a wall
no because I'm facing the window

1633
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,770
the shades are drawn on the
window and then this big black

1634
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:19,380
moving blankets in front of
mainly for noise of course for

1635
01:33:19,380 --> 01:33:21,630
the you know, so I don't have an
echoey sound to make it a little

1636
01:33:21,630 --> 01:33:27,900
better in the room. But it also
really brings down the ambient

1637
01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:30,000
light. I like it it's just what
I've always I've always

1638
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,700
romanticize I've always wanted
to be the night disc jockey even

1639
01:33:32,700 --> 01:33:34,110
though that's where the shit

1640
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:36,930
though the closer you did
announcing two miles closer to

1641
01:33:36,930 --> 01:33:39,570
your mouth and a close up of the
microphone. Your lips come close

1642
01:33:39,570 --> 01:33:42,240
to it. Yeah, and it's uh Hey
baby. Hey Ben. It's raining

1643
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,560
outside. He's driving and going
back and forth. To you under

1644
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:46,980
radius

1645
01:33:46,980 --> 01:33:49,500
is the night owl. I'm telling
you what's going on. We play

1646
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:53,700
another set of Led Zeppelin from
beginning to end. Yeah, that's

1647
01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:54,930
my romantic nature.

1648
01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:59,070
Whatever works yeah. I in the
other hand, have thought about

1649
01:33:59,070 --> 01:34:02,550
getting dead dinning up the room
because I know that when you

1650
01:34:02,550 --> 01:34:05,580
have a dead room you have a nice
sound but I don't I let the

1651
01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:08,400
ambience do its thing and I
don't know that it hurts that

1652
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,770
much. I play the mic pretty
close. I'm not like too

1653
01:34:10,770 --> 01:34:15,360
concerned about it, even though
it's not as directional as the

1654
01:34:15,570 --> 01:34:16,980
high LPR 40

1655
01:34:17,070 --> 01:34:18,180
And what are you using now?

1656
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:22,290
I'm using a cat 3000 from China.
China No,

1657
01:34:22,530 --> 01:34:26,760
no, no nice. I'm using my I'm
using the road. I want I've

1658
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,990
changed I'm using the road
Procaster I'm gonna close mic or

1659
01:34:30,990 --> 01:34:32,310
I like to spit in the mic.

1660
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:37,620
Well, I use this mic because I
was doing research on mods. And

1661
01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:40,560
I do have a mod mic which I use
for quite a while the the Joli

1662
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,740
mic and it which has modded
everything. The whole thing is

1663
01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:46,800
just a completely remake of of a
Chinese mic, which is these

1664
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,670
monitors love to do. And so I
ran into this one guy who is a

1665
01:34:50,670 --> 01:34:56,520
major, major Mater and he likes
to fix mics and do crazy things

1666
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,810
but he claims a lot of things
people do Whew, especially the

1667
01:35:00,810 --> 01:35:03,840
move, removing the capsule is
just a waste of time. You just

1668
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,420
want to deal with the
electronics. And so I asked him

1669
01:35:06,420 --> 01:35:09,450
specifically, well, you do a lot
of mods. What is the best mic?

1670
01:35:10,170 --> 01:35:13,410
Made in China? Period? You
didn't have any idea? He said

1671
01:35:13,410 --> 01:35:18,240
any name this mic. He says this
is the best mic he's ever seen

1672
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:21,540
coming out of China. It's an
American company. But it's

1673
01:35:21,540 --> 01:35:22,410
Chinese mic

1674
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,870
is the one in California. Cat

1675
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:29,070
Cat. No cat is in the Midwest, I
believe. Okay. Something audio

1676
01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:32,520
devices. And I think they're in
Indiana. I'm not I don't

1677
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,030
remember. But the mic is Chinese
mic, and it looks like a Chinese

1678
01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:39,960
mic. And, and it's as I we
listen to all these mics. And

1679
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,050
you you do when you have to
final approval on the mic. And

1680
01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:46,080
you said that mic sounds
terrific. And so I've kept this

1681
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:50,490
mic. And I've been using it with
this with a split screen. And

1682
01:35:50,820 --> 01:35:53,610
I'm very happy with the sound of
it. And it's a good mic. It's

1683
01:35:53,610 --> 01:35:57,930
got three it's got like, it's
got to figure eight pattern.

1684
01:35:57,930 --> 01:36:00,420
It's gotten capsules in front
and back. It's got a nice,

1685
01:36:00,870 --> 01:36:04,020
overall, I think the build is
nice. And it was 200 bucks.

1686
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,920
Nice. Well, here's the here's a
little thing. I'll just point

1687
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,950
just show everyone how it works.
I'm big on noise gates, I

1688
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:15,120
believe if you can't afford the
NPR like studio, that which is

1689
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,360
really dead. And I wrote an
article recently about the sound

1690
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,110
is noon. So there's a whole
philosophy behind it. But it's a

1691
01:36:22,110 --> 01:36:25,950
you need to have a very fast
acting noise gate. So that when

1692
01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:27,720
you're talking you can hear the
brain and when you're when I'm

1693
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,030
talking when you're talking you
can hear there's ambient noise,

1694
01:36:30,030 --> 01:36:32,940
you know, especially if you have
your window open or if the give

1695
01:36:32,940 --> 01:36:35,850
a fan on or anything like that.
So I'll just turn yours off

1696
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,560
right now and return mine off.
And you and people who are

1697
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,160
listening to the show, and I
even have a low rumble coming

1698
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,640
from somewhere. It's so
different. You know this that we

1699
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,130
sculpt the sound to what we want
it to be.

1700
01:36:52,170 --> 01:36:55,020
Yeah, curiously Horowitz has a
noise gate that he uses when we

1701
01:36:55,020 --> 01:36:57,720
do hitch the Horowitz show. DHL
unplugged

1702
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:58,650
is that recent.

1703
01:37:00,150 --> 01:37:02,550
It's pretty recently, he
actually took over the he

1704
01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:05,550
called, he called me and he
said, I want to set this up and

1705
01:37:05,550 --> 01:37:08,340
I walked in for like two hours.
I walked him through what he

1706
01:37:08,340 --> 01:37:11,850
needed. And those kinds of like,
helping the stewardess land the

1707
01:37:11,850 --> 01:37:15,900
747 in a way on the phone. Turn
the noise gates back on, hold

1708
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:19,530
on. Yes. And, and I said, No,
you want to noise gate man, you

1709
01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:24,630
really want this because it just
enhances the closeness and the

1710
01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:29,340
the personal nature of the
sound. And I like it when it's

1711
01:37:29,340 --> 01:37:32,160
completely dead. And I love the
fact that we have silence from

1712
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:33,300
time we talked about that. Um,
yeah.

1713
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:35,940
Yeah, you harped on it. I like
it. I

1714
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:38,670
like it. Yeah, like if people
did die, people awake.

1715
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,910
I actually liked the dead room
sound. I mean, I don't mind that

1716
01:37:41,940 --> 01:37:43,020
NPR sound.

1717
01:37:43,650 --> 01:37:46,740
But it's as good as the noise
gate. The NPR sound is dead.

1718
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,640
It's totally dead. And I know
how to do that sound on we had

1719
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,670
the cranky geek show. And it was
being produced in San Francisco.

1720
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:57,300
We had the black because I
wanted the abyss. Look at this

1721
01:37:57,330 --> 01:38:01,230
look, I like on TV because it's
cheap. And it works. And it's I

1722
01:38:01,230 --> 01:38:05,070
don't know why this not used
more than a busy set. So you

1723
01:38:05,130 --> 01:38:09,300
Charlie Rose is the is the best
user of the Abyss, right? So

1724
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:12,360
you're in a big black room, it's
actually a form of black velvet

1725
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:16,050
that you can't the camera can't
pick up where it is. It's like

1726
01:38:16,050 --> 01:38:18,360
magicians use it constantly. So
you can't figure out where the

1727
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,970
mirrors are, where the rabbit is
coming from and where the rabbit

1728
01:38:20,970 --> 01:38:25,560
is coming from. And it also
deadens the room and if it's in

1729
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,550
far enough, so you can get a
very nice, you can use the

1730
01:38:29,550 --> 01:38:31,890
cheapest microphone and you
sound pretty good.

1731
01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:35,520
What was interesting is when I
before I disclosed what had

1732
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:39,480
happened with my personal life,
I was in this apartment. And I

1733
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:41,400
didn't have any stuff. I had
nothing. I didn't have the

1734
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,720
moving blankets. And the number
of people said hey, what's going

1735
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,470
on? I hear something Something's
different about the sound. Wow.

1736
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:54,180
So you have a stick? Stick
notice that Yeah.

1737
01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:58,110
Well, anyway, get back to the
question, especially the list

1738
01:38:58,710 --> 01:39:02,040
cost of producing somebody
brought that up and there was no

1739
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,470
real answer. I mean, we do have
to pay for bandwidth now and

1740
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:05,190
it's not cheap.

1741
01:39:05,250 --> 01:39:09,990
And again, we have void zero
sort of 19 inch rack

1742
01:39:10,110 --> 01:39:14,130
and he doesn't do all of the
heavy heavy lifting for us the

1743
01:39:14,130 --> 01:39:16,830
sysop that super talented dude
named

1744
01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:19,980
Ben Yeah, he runs the
infrastructure of course we do

1745
01:39:19,980 --> 01:39:22,770
have to pay for but he's come up
with this is a legacy from the

1746
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,730
no agenda stream folks, Mr. Oil.
When they set all of that up,

1747
01:39:26,730 --> 01:39:29,250
they were thinking of starting a
business and that didn't really

1748
01:39:29,250 --> 01:39:34,650
pan out but we were very happy
to assume what they had created.

1749
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,980
And and Mark does that for us
out of love for the show. We

1750
01:39:37,980 --> 01:39:44,010
love him for it and his his
partner, Iris who when he was in

1751
01:39:44,010 --> 01:39:47,940
the hospital, she was running.
He'd given her instructions. She

1752
01:39:47,940 --> 01:39:49,950
was making sure everything was
working, make sure the stream

1753
01:39:49,950 --> 01:39:52,710
was up and changing stuff and
cool.

1754
01:39:54,030 --> 01:39:58,830
Now on my list here I have an
anomaly that I spotted. I don't

1755
01:39:58,830 --> 01:40:01,830
know why I don't know that I
know. NOTICE This in 2006, but

1756
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:07,890
the 2006 200.6 show I said
something about how we promote

1757
01:40:07,890 --> 01:40:11,700
or something and and then you
said, I said something about why

1758
01:40:11,700 --> 01:40:15,450
tell people to go to the no
agenda wiki page. And then you

1759
01:40:15,450 --> 01:40:18,180
went kind of like why why you're
sending people to

1760
01:40:18,180 --> 01:40:21,270
that was that noise even I
remember, it could

1761
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:24,510
have been, and I and it was like
I was befuddled by this because

1762
01:40:24,510 --> 01:40:27,660
it was, it's always been a good
page that has a rundown of some

1763
01:40:27,660 --> 01:40:30,570
of the basics of the show. And
one time when they edited it

1764
01:40:30,570 --> 01:40:33,510
down to next to nothing. I
bitched and somebody put it all

1765
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:37,920
the good stuff back up there.
Meaning of the jingles and rest.

1766
01:40:38,370 --> 01:40:41,370
But I was kind of befuddled by
your response to that. And then

1767
01:40:41,370 --> 01:40:45,030
I then you I think it was
because that was the era when

1768
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:48,990
you were irked about somebody
messing with your your personal

1769
01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:51,480
homepage or something that had
nothing to do with anything I

1770
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:53,250
was talking about. Remember
that?

1771
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:58,080
Yeah. I also remember that,
luckily, they put our height on

1772
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:58,950
the wiki page.

1773
01:40:59,430 --> 01:41:02,910
Yeah, you were talking about
that. I know it's humorous

1774
01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:06,930
height. It was like, I don't
know, four feet and 500 inches

1775
01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:08,250
or some five foot 17.

1776
01:41:09,660 --> 01:41:12,450
I don't know I like I just want
people to listen to our show.

1777
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:16,440
And as witnessed by our great
websites, we really don't care

1778
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:20,670
much other than get the show.
And if you want to go to the

1779
01:41:20,670 --> 01:41:23,610
show notes, they're detailed and
you can get to them. Then

1780
01:41:23,610 --> 01:41:26,340
they're indexed and by just like
it we'd still be typing no

1781
01:41:26,340 --> 01:41:29,910
agenda into a search engine. You
the first couple of pages are

1782
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:32,190
our seven, seven now. That's
great.

1783
01:41:32,340 --> 01:41:35,010
Ben seven for a while. Right.
And there's somebody everyone's

1784
01:41:35,010 --> 01:41:37,590
was something sneaks in is
always galling when you see

1785
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:38,040
that. So

1786
01:41:39,450 --> 01:41:41,370
it's been a while since I've
searched for our

1787
01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:45,570
Manny Pacquiao says he has no
agenda and a fight you know, so.

1788
01:41:45,929 --> 01:41:47,549
Okay. All right. I got you. I

1789
01:41:47,550 --> 01:41:51,630
got you. Yeah, that kind of
thing. I don't really have any

1790
01:41:51,630 --> 01:41:54,480
there. I do have a couple of
questions myself. Do you still

1791
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,580
use that soundbite software?

1792
01:41:56,610 --> 01:42:01,320
I do? Yes, I do. So it runs on
my original iPad, one Wi Fi

1793
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:06,090
only. And if you run a little
program on the computer, but one

1794
01:42:06,090 --> 01:42:09,060
of these days, I will publish
the whole setup. It's just I

1795
01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:10,110
want to do it. But you've been

1796
01:42:10,110 --> 01:42:13,590
saying that for years because I
need some vinegar book. I'll put

1797
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:14,070
it over here.

1798
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:18,510
Okay, yeah, we'll see who
releases it. First you the

1799
01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:22,980
vinegar book or the the sound
setup. But it's really it's nice

1800
01:42:22,980 --> 01:42:28,140
to have a number of go to things
and let's see 12345123 There's

1801
01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:33,240
50 clips that we use regularly,
which includes for instance, the

1802
01:42:34,530 --> 01:42:36,690
this may be for some people
interesting, so we do the

1803
01:42:36,690 --> 01:42:41,370
birthday song. So that's, that's
pretty much one bed and it goes

1804
01:42:41,370 --> 01:42:44,670
on and on and on. And then when
it's time for me to end that I

1805
01:42:44,670 --> 01:42:48,720
start the second one, and then I
just stopped the first one. So

1806
01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:51,270
you can make it as long as you
want. I'm not really that

1807
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:54,840
talented. I can fit everything
into these pre produced bones.

1808
01:42:55,170 --> 01:42:58,080
This is the way you do it.
You're doing it. Yeah. Well,

1809
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,390
that's all Pro.

1810
01:43:00,420 --> 01:43:04,200
Yeah, exactly. So I do still use
that. And I like it a lot

1811
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:04,800
because I can have

1812
01:43:05,850 --> 01:43:07,860
things like that you do that
with anything. The opening of

1813
01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:09,120
the show. The show is the

1814
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,400
same. Yep, did actually that's
three elements.

1815
01:43:13,260 --> 01:43:15,420
Did you know that? No, I didn't
I was always to

1816
01:43:15,450 --> 01:43:18,300
know. So it's the first one is
that one curry, John C. Dvorak.

1817
01:43:18,300 --> 01:43:21,960
And then that goes on. I do my
opening thing. And then I do

1818
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,250
time this to say, you know, this
is episode 736. This is no

1819
01:43:26,250 --> 01:43:29,280
agenda and then that hands and
then there's a second one that I

1820
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,460
start here, which is this. And
that just goes on. And then you

1821
01:43:32,460 --> 01:43:35,190
come in and whenever you're done
and you say I'm John C. Dvorak,

1822
01:43:35,190 --> 01:43:41,190
then I hit raglan. Buzzkill. So
that's all standard radio second

1823
01:43:41,190 --> 01:43:44,190
pro was an extension of the
first. That's interesting. So I

1824
01:43:44,190 --> 01:43:47,820
didn't know that it's funny.
Things you don't need to know. I

1825
01:43:47,820 --> 01:43:49,800
don't need to know and I don't I
don't want

1826
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,410
to know what other questions
that you

1827
01:43:52,410 --> 01:43:56,250
had. Well, now that we're here
in the segment segment, before

1828
01:43:56,250 --> 01:43:59,550
we go back to the show, I think
you should play us one of the

1829
01:43:59,550 --> 01:44:02,430
things that we've done only
recently but Adam I've

1830
01:44:02,430 --> 01:44:04,980
encouraged him to do these
medley of clips at the end of

1831
01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:08,850
the show. So as it makes the
show kind of you know, it's like

1832
01:44:08,850 --> 01:44:12,240
the desert the way I see it and
people you know they gave the

1833
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,040
list of the whole show they
might as well get a kick out of

1834
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,550
some of the clips. Why don't you
play as like about like you just

1835
01:44:17,550 --> 01:44:20,970
play us a shot and not long ones
but shot of all the short clips

1836
01:44:20,970 --> 01:44:24,510
you can you can quickly get to
say you got your little push

1837
01:44:24,510 --> 01:44:25,470
button device there

1838
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:28,410
Yeah, but those you mean short
clips or the longer clips or the

1839
01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:29,610
short ones okay?

1840
01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:33,210
Just I want you to just run down
what's right on the thing right

1841
01:44:33,210 --> 01:44:33,720
there go

1842
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:38,550
Okay, here we go. That's the
news flash sound effects we have

1843
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:41,130
the this of course when we
always tell people to go out and

1844
01:44:41,130 --> 01:44:44,490
hit people in the mouth, which
is also to eclipse formula is

1845
01:44:44,490 --> 01:44:48,420
this one. We go out? Well yet
people in the mountain and the

1846
01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:51,120
second part of that clip is this
one is the new world order

1847
01:44:51,120 --> 01:45:00,660
stuff. And then I might add this
in that's all set bread Hey

1848
01:45:00,660 --> 01:45:04,680
citizens, we have the I have a
ding Do you have a bell I have a

1849
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,220
digital Bell. See my bell is, is
this and then we have our phone

1850
01:45:08,220 --> 01:45:12,000
call whenever we do a little
phone call, we have that we have

1851
01:45:15,780 --> 01:45:16,410
this one

1852
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:31,200
you have your favorite by iron
Rand. And then we have the two

1853
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,670
to the head. Of course we have
this. That's one mother, I liked

1854
01:45:36,420 --> 01:45:42,360
that I have three science clips.
So the longer one is the

1855
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:47,010
sciences. So we have the science
ISOs.

1856
01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:51,390
Or we have the sciences.

1857
01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:56,760
And then of course we have our
standard. Got the Spanish?

1858
01:45:58,260 --> 01:46:06,570
Chinese, French, German. And we
got of course, a new entry. Hey,

1859
01:46:06,570 --> 01:46:14,490
man, first of all, of course.
Not to forget. We have you've

1860
01:46:14,490 --> 01:46:18,240
been de Deus. And of course we
have the karma jingle there as

1861
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,650
well. You've got karma. And then
there's a few small ones like

1862
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,340
what do we have? We have this
one take that to the bank got

1863
01:46:26,340 --> 01:46:30,750
that? Not often used but when
used it's always you. It's

1864
01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:35,550
always appropriate John Cena for
X pet peeve of the day. And

1865
01:46:35,550 --> 01:46:36,720
that's probably about half of
them.

1866
01:46:38,430 --> 01:46:41,010
Who did the D douching? One have

1867
01:46:41,010 --> 01:46:41,820
no idea.

1868
01:46:42,090 --> 01:46:45,150
We have to We should give her
cry her him as a gauge.

1869
01:46:45,150 --> 01:46:49,830
Obviously, with female voice.
She may have produced it or

1870
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:51,840
somebody else may have produced
it. We need to give whoever it

1871
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,110
is credit someday. Because yeah,
I forgot who that was. And when

1872
01:46:55,110 --> 01:46:57,690
it came in, I really want many
of these things we should. And

1873
01:46:57,690 --> 01:47:00,780
we've talked about this, I think
in 2,000.5, but not emphasized

1874
01:47:00,780 --> 01:47:06,450
it. Most of the shows direction
has been from the producer

1875
01:47:06,450 --> 01:47:09,150
listener, they have pushed the
show in a certain direction. The

1876
01:47:09,150 --> 01:47:12,300
douchebag thing we never called
anybody, no shebang, no, no,

1877
01:47:12,330 --> 01:47:14,280
they call each other douchebag.
And then somebody came up with

1878
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:18,930
the damn jingle. Yeah. And and
then the douching jingle came

1879
01:47:18,930 --> 01:47:22,350
after that we had nothing that
was not an invention by us most

1880
01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:26,220
of the stuff. I mean, we
invented the producer ship idea.

1881
01:47:26,250 --> 01:47:29,400
The club now coming up in the
night was a these are but this

1882
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:34,740
is kind of meta. This day. This
way the show flows is largely

1883
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:41,580
promulgated, I would say or
pushed along by the people who

1884
01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:45,270
listen to the show and produce
it and come up with stuff. They

1885
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:46,620
come up with all kinds of
things,

1886
01:47:47,100 --> 01:47:49,920
and good things. And there's a
lot of stuff that isn't all that

1887
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,500
well, I want to say when we do
our final segment, I have a

1888
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:55,410
couple things about how you can
best interact with us and how

1889
01:47:55,410 --> 01:47:58,980
you can help us when you want to
win as a producer, if you want

1890
01:47:58,980 --> 01:48:01,560
to add something, obviously not
just the financial part. But

1891
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,570
there are some things that would
be very helpful for me.

1892
01:48:03,570 --> 01:48:07,770
Certainly, I'm trying to find
this one producer who has made a

1893
01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:12,690
who's done a lot of these
jingles. And this is the

1894
01:48:12,690 --> 01:48:13,230
problem.

1895
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:17,070
Well, I will mention here says
it needs to be mentioned I think

1896
01:48:17,070 --> 01:48:20,040
it was really mentioned that
much in 2000 to two I know I

1897
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:25,500
keep saying 2002 and 2.5 or six
that we'd still need donations

1898
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:27,630
even though we're doing the
show. So if you go to na

1899
01:48:27,660 --> 01:48:31,800
divorce.org/and A Yeah, I think
it would be appreciated and we

1900
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,850
will have people who have given
producer and executive producer

1901
01:48:35,850 --> 01:48:39,180
amounts to the show was
mentioned when we were done on

1902
01:48:39,210 --> 01:48:43,170
our little vacation moment,
which will be only I think two

1903
01:48:43,170 --> 01:48:47,700
shows and the next show will be
a inner couple interviews

1904
01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:51,600
including a really fascinating
interview with John Sculley. Oh,

1905
01:48:52,140 --> 01:48:58,020
guy, the Apple guy, Apple guy
who's kind of merged in the

1906
01:48:58,020 --> 01:49:00,180
Apple community. We talked about
that a little bit. It's a very

1907
01:49:00,180 --> 01:49:03,300
interesting thing. We also have
Bob Heil, the microphone.

1908
01:49:03,570 --> 01:49:10,410
Excellent x very inventive. He
invented a modern stage music

1909
01:49:11,490 --> 01:49:17,700
loud. He's a power trio. You can
thank him. Yeah. And he was just

1910
01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:22,350
into clear, clear and loud
sound. And so that'll be I think

1911
01:49:22,350 --> 01:49:23,550
we will find that interesting.

1912
01:49:23,580 --> 01:49:26,070
There is of course one jingle I
didn't play which is also on the

1913
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:31,980
soundboard devorah.org/and A
also don't know who made that.

1914
01:49:32,490 --> 01:49:36,060
And let's go back to show 200.5
A

1915
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:41,730
couple of questions from Sir
Troy Walters I just want to go

1916
01:49:41,730 --> 01:49:45,390
down the list make sure we
didn't miss anything. How did

1917
01:49:45,390 --> 01:49:47,670
you come up with promotions like
the knighthoods

1918
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:51,690
and although the knighthood
thing by the way I will take

1919
01:49:51,690 --> 01:49:55,020
credit for that and I'll tell
you why. I although I think we

1920
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:57,300
discussed and I think you're the
one that probably pushed the

1921
01:49:57,300 --> 01:49:57,870
idea

1922
01:49:57,900 --> 01:50:00,330
like probably the probably the
name of a knighthood is Probably

1923
01:50:00,330 --> 01:50:02,010
what would I make a
contribution?

1924
01:50:02,220 --> 01:50:05,040
Well the knighthood thing and
one of the one day and I've said

1925
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,020
this, I've done this, but
everybody who knows me will have

1926
01:50:07,020 --> 01:50:08,970
heard this right at one time or
another. And I know I took

1927
01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:12,450
random past Adam, every time
some American, I think it's

1928
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:14,580
supposed to be illegal to
receive a knighthood from the

1929
01:50:14,580 --> 01:50:17,970
Queen, but they do. Anyway,
every time somebody said, Why is

1930
01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:20,970
what's the query? What's so
special about England? That

1931
01:50:20,970 --> 01:50:24,750
they're granting? knighthoods?
Why don't we grant knighthoods,

1932
01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:27,900
right? Why can't we just grant
and what can anybody why can't

1933
01:50:27,900 --> 01:50:30,420
Ford Motor Company grant
knighthoods? What differences?

1934
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,100
Yeah, that's good. So So ours
are just as good as the Queen's

1935
01:50:35,130 --> 01:50:38,100
I think so. And I think we have
a better group, that's for sure

1936
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:41,490
that nights that have been on
our list or they're fantastic

1937
01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:42,600
people, every one of them,

1938
01:50:42,750 --> 01:50:49,530
I have a plan by the way of
making a night iPhone app. That

1939
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,030
will only be for nights. And
it'll be limited for a number of

1940
01:50:54,030 --> 01:50:57,930
reasons, but only be four
nights. And, and it'll be like

1941
01:50:57,930 --> 01:51:02,640
our, our communication model,
like a network a night network.

1942
01:51:03,089 --> 01:51:03,839
Now, that's a good idea.

1943
01:51:03,870 --> 01:51:07,170
Yeah, I think it'd be kind of
fun. And we like a bad signal. I

1944
01:51:07,170 --> 01:51:09,450
still want a bad signal. We're
gonna need it one of these days.

1945
01:51:09,630 --> 01:51:12,960
We've got a lot of professional
people in the knighthoods. We

1946
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,410
don't have a doctor, we have a
dentist, we have a lawyer? Oh,

1947
01:51:16,410 --> 01:51:16,680
you know,

1948
01:51:17,820 --> 01:51:19,770
that's what you need. Right? You
need a lawyer?

1949
01:51:20,190 --> 01:51:22,170
Or we need a butcher?

1950
01:51:22,650 --> 01:51:30,870
Yes, hell yeah. A farmer? Farm?
What drives the new promotions?

1951
01:51:32,670 --> 01:51:35,100
That's a good question. Depends
on how you interpreted Of

1952
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:35,550
course.

1953
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:41,280
And I will say, all the emails,
promotion ideas, John does all

1954
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:44,730
of that I do the production of
the show, John does all of that

1955
01:51:44,730 --> 01:51:45,180
stuff.

1956
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,980
Yeah, I haven't the marketing
guy. Mainly because I've always

1957
01:51:49,980 --> 01:51:53,610
admired certain forms of
marketing that are very rarely

1958
01:51:53,610 --> 01:51:57,660
executed by the general public.
And by that I mean, or by

1959
01:51:57,660 --> 01:52:00,990
General companies, or little
operations like ours. And by

1960
01:52:00,990 --> 01:52:07,740
that, I mean PBS, and, and
religion, churches, because the

1961
01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:11,790
model is so interesting that you
get people that like you so

1962
01:52:11,790 --> 01:52:14,460
much, because you're doing
something for them. And that's

1963
01:52:14,460 --> 01:52:17,790
what PBS and churches are
perceived as doing. They one's

1964
01:52:17,790 --> 01:52:19,950
giving you you're helping,
you're spiritually and the other

1965
01:52:19,950 --> 01:52:24,180
ones educating you, out of
mainstream media supposedly,

1966
01:52:24,660 --> 01:52:29,850
and, and I their model for
getting money. And by the way, I

1967
01:52:29,850 --> 01:52:34,290
have a background in public
radio, I had a couple of shows

1968
01:52:34,290 --> 01:52:37,470
two different shows, that were
on public radio for over almost

1969
01:52:37,470 --> 01:52:42,360
10 years, about computers. And I
saw the mechanism, how it works,

1970
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,840
and how much money they get, and
all the rest of it. And I always

1971
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,840
said, you know why, you know,
why does it just have to be

1972
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,750
those two groups? And then, of
course, the publishing, you

1973
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:54,930
know, the direct payment for a
novel is a different kind of a

1974
01:52:54,930 --> 01:52:57,810
thing. Why are these the only
two groups that are using this

1975
01:52:57,810 --> 01:53:01,020
model? A? And does anyone
noticed that they're actually

1976
01:53:01,020 --> 01:53:03,450
pretty successful with this
model of work? Thank you.

1977
01:53:03,570 --> 01:53:06,300
There's some churches out there
that have, you know, not

1978
01:53:06,330 --> 01:53:09,210
counting the mega churches, but
but decent sized churches with

1979
01:53:09,210 --> 01:53:13,380
maybe 2000, to 3000
parishioners, and they got the

1980
01:53:13,380 --> 01:53:16,380
guy with a Cadillac and a big
house, and they got plenty of

1981
01:53:16,380 --> 01:53:19,500
money. And it's only like 2000
people that are supporting this

1982
01:53:19,530 --> 01:53:24,240
entire parish. And it's like,
does anybody notice that this

1983
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,010
looks like, you know, these
courts, the tax free thing

1984
01:53:26,010 --> 01:53:29,190
doesn't hurt the guy. But it's
like, obvious it's a model that

1985
01:53:29,190 --> 01:53:32,790
works and people don't mind the
model. I mean, we're not getting

1986
01:53:32,820 --> 01:53:35,910
knighthood, donations, because
people think this is a dumb

1987
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:41,100
idea. So anyway, so I do the
promotions, I, I come up with

1988
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:45,690
them. You know, every once in a
while we one comes forward. So

1989
01:53:45,690 --> 01:53:48,840
well, here's an idea. We this is
this people would like so you

1990
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,840
know, it's kind of like selling
the dream kind of thing. I'm not

1991
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,950
sure that I do. I used to be in
direct marketing. And I say

1992
01:53:55,950 --> 01:53:58,260
that, you know, when people ask
me about this, I say, Look, you

1993
01:53:58,260 --> 01:54:01,680
know, we have a church and our
religion is the truth, or as

1994
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:02,850
close as we can get to it.

1995
01:54:03,179 --> 01:54:06,539
There's that element. I think we
you know, we seem to offend a

1996
01:54:06,539 --> 01:54:09,299
few people if we go over the the
off the deep end with the church

1997
01:54:09,299 --> 01:54:11,399
angle, but the fact of the
matter is, we do the thing on

1998
01:54:11,399 --> 01:54:14,909
Sunday morning, and I'm sure a
lot of people don't go to church

1999
01:54:14,909 --> 01:54:20,039
and listen to us instead. Or
football. It'd be interesting to

2000
01:54:20,039 --> 01:54:23,819
see what since we're in Full
Tilt here trying to maximize our

2001
01:54:23,819 --> 01:54:27,899
incomes. It'll be interesting to
see what the drop off is on

2002
01:54:27,929 --> 01:54:31,139
listenership on the live stream
during the football season. Oh,

2003
01:54:31,139 --> 01:54:31,679
interesting.

2004
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:34,200
Yeah, well, well, and by the
way, we do look at that, that

2005
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:35,070
kind of you look at all the

2006
01:54:35,070 --> 01:54:38,430
numbers, we keep track of stuff,
Eric likes to dream up weird

2007
01:54:38,430 --> 01:54:42,900
reports. And we look at them and
we know where we're headed and

2008
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:46,380
we're doing fine. We're not
doing well enough that we can

2009
01:54:46,380 --> 01:54:49,680
quit and do this full time and
and you know, that's which is

2010
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,950
okay being in a struggling
situation is not a bad thing.

2011
01:54:53,370 --> 01:54:58,290
And the show I think is sound.
If I can say is it harder

2012
01:54:58,290 --> 01:55:02,160
to be excited for the next show
if donations are down on the

2013
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,090
previous show,

2014
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:04,530
it is for Adam.

2015
01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:09,330
That's not true. It's not like
I'm less excited who said so

2016
01:55:09,330 --> 01:55:13,200
once No. And even then you
misinterpreted what I said what

2017
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,590
I what I meant was, first of
all, it bums me out because I

2018
01:55:16,590 --> 01:55:19,950
take that as a, as a direct
result of the program of the

2019
01:55:19,950 --> 01:55:23,670
product that we produced. It
bums me out. Yeah, it bums me

2020
01:55:23,670 --> 01:55:26,880
out. It doesn't make me less
excited. No, it motivates me. It

2021
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:32,640
gets me motivated to do a better
show that we've deconstructed

2022
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,430
and John, by the way, you got to
know this. He's like, like the

2023
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:39,390
horrible uncle. You never wanted
to send you notes like, well,

2024
01:55:39,390 --> 01:55:42,270
that thing you did that made
donations dropped through the

2025
01:55:42,270 --> 01:55:46,110
floor as horrible. And I know
and it took me like two months

2026
01:55:46,110 --> 01:55:48,870
to figure out that this is
bullshit that he's just writing

2027
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:50,130
that just to piss me off.

2028
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:53,730
No, I was writing it for a good
reason. Because I believed it to

2029
01:55:53,730 --> 01:55:54,480
be true.

2030
01:55:56,370 --> 01:56:00,750
It's the way you write it is
like the way email, grandpa.

2031
01:56:00,900 --> 01:56:03,000
Yeah, sorry. Don't be such a
dick.

2032
01:56:03,090 --> 01:56:05,640
I suppose I should put a bunch
of smiley faces and that would

2033
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:06,630
make you happy.

2034
01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:12,150
Yeah. Good. This is what I love
about you. What is the single

2035
01:56:12,150 --> 01:56:14,970
most enjoyable element of the
show for each of you?

2036
01:56:16,980 --> 01:56:19,530
Hmm, that's a great question.
And I don't like saying the term

2037
01:56:19,530 --> 01:56:24,060
a great question. But it's a
thoughtful question makes you

2038
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:30,300
think what do we like to think
when the show ends? I think

2039
01:56:30,930 --> 01:56:31,800
hours

2040
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:35,310
that, first of all, there is no
element in the show. I think

2041
01:56:35,310 --> 01:56:38,640
that's that's that we have no
fixed elements. That's true. The

2042
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,830
only thing that's fixed is
donations.

2043
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:45,420
And we do that about an hour and
45 minutes to an hour. Yeah. So

2044
01:56:45,420 --> 01:56:47,940
we've talked about that. Because
we noticed the donations fall

2045
01:56:47,940 --> 01:56:51,000
off if we push that thing off to
near the end, because a lot of

2046
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,640
people to be honest about do not
listen to the entire show.

2047
01:56:53,670 --> 01:56:56,700
Yeah, I agree. I agree. I get a
lot of emails from people. I'm

2048
01:56:56,700 --> 01:56:59,820
like, can we just we just did
that two weeks ago? Like how can

2049
01:56:59,820 --> 01:57:02,370
you send me this email? Yeah, I
agree. A lot of people don't get

2050
01:57:02,370 --> 01:57:07,230
through the whole show. Which by
the way, is okay. It's okay. And

2051
01:57:07,230 --> 01:57:10,260
for people who listen to who'd
like oh, that was theirs. This

2052
01:57:10,260 --> 01:57:13,230
is what I love this fast
forward. You can fast forward

2053
01:57:13,230 --> 01:57:15,750
through something you think is
boring. I guarantee you will be

2054
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:24,630
backing up. I think so too. For
me. Wow, this is gonna sound

2055
01:57:24,630 --> 01:57:28,950
kind of weird. most enjoyable,
personally enjoyable. I like it

2056
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:33,960
when I have either an article or
a clip. And I get praise from

2057
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:34,320
you.

2058
01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:38,970
Yeah, I'll do that because I
actually keep a running score.

2059
01:57:39,300 --> 01:57:41,820
But it's just for me but you I
know you're paying attention to

2060
01:57:41,820 --> 01:57:47,220
it. And I'll and I'll score a
goal for you when you hit one

2061
01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:51,000
that is like completely catches
me flat footed. I got nothing on

2062
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,730
it. I got maybe my take is even
wrong, because your take is

2063
01:57:53,730 --> 01:57:57,840
better. And it's and it's
interesting. And so you get I

2064
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,990
saw I'll give you a Kudo right
on the spot. And it's very

2065
01:58:00,990 --> 01:58:04,980
insincere, by the way and you
usually only do it when I know I

2066
01:58:04,980 --> 01:58:07,590
can't top you. You can actually
come up with something that's

2067
01:58:07,590 --> 01:58:10,470
better than that where you got
the kudos something really

2068
01:58:10,470 --> 01:58:15,150
stunning, but I know I've got a
topper. Yeah. And so I won't

2069
01:58:15,150 --> 01:58:16,170
give you the Kudo then.

2070
01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:19,080
So that's kind of interesting.
Do we have a weird father son

2071
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:19,980
relationship? No,

2072
01:58:19,980 --> 01:58:22,590
no, no, it says a teammate
relationship where you're trying

2073
01:58:22,590 --> 01:58:26,220
to compete for that position of
dominance. Okay. Yeah. I think

2074
01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:29,400
as a team, it's a team
orientation where the two guys

2075
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,580
are working to to win, but you
know, but you want to be the guy

2076
01:58:32,580 --> 01:58:36,030
that hey, if you score the goal,
yeah, you scored the goal. Okay,

2077
01:58:36,030 --> 01:58:38,160
you scored the goal. Next time,
I'll score the goal, you prick.

2078
01:58:38,190 --> 01:58:40,530
Yeah. That's a good analysis.

2079
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:42,690
So knowing that father is
something doesn't work that way

2080
01:58:42,690 --> 01:58:46,110
because father and son would be
it's be more patronizing. I'm

2081
01:58:46,110 --> 01:58:48,630
not patronizing. I'm
straightforward. That's true.

2082
01:58:48,690 --> 01:58:52,050
That's true. I'll give you that
I know how much you'd like that

2083
01:58:52,050 --> 01:58:54,990
to be the case but no, not gonna
happen.

2084
01:58:55,019 --> 01:58:56,039
I don't think so.

2085
01:58:57,630 --> 01:59:02,100
I got a little thing here a
little aside. I had Eric run the

2086
01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:07,080
numbers on which country listens
to us and where we get most of

2087
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:08,790
our support from

2088
01:59:08,820 --> 01:59:11,640
that's actually that is a
question so and here's

2089
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,580
the answer what Okay, now I'm
gonna I'm gonna do it too

2090
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:17,430
because I have the numbers and
you don't so this is my rare

2091
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:19,890
opportunity to make you do what
we do on the show quite a bit

2092
01:59:19,890 --> 01:59:23,190
which is make one the other
person guests knowing full well

2093
01:59:23,190 --> 01:59:25,440
that they'll never guess it
correctly and it's just kind of

2094
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,200
a stalling tactic. But guess
who's number one

2095
01:59:28,380 --> 01:59:31,890
now is this in total amount of
donation this

2096
01:59:31,890 --> 01:59:35,280
will be both donors and amount
but it's gonna go by the total

2097
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,340
amount but it's this but turns
out the numbers match pretty

2098
01:59:38,340 --> 01:59:43,050
well with the one to one pretty
much with the donors versus and

2099
01:59:43,170 --> 01:59:43,740
totals

2100
01:59:43,770 --> 01:59:46,950
I will say that the Netherlands
is very high on the list.

2101
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:56,280
Who's number one? Oh, please.
Well, number one's got to be

2102
01:59:56,280 --> 02:00:01,560
America, of course by a factor
of nine. Yeah. All right, so now

2103
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:07,230
it gets interesting. Number two,
and I before you answer I'm

2104
02:00:07,230 --> 02:00:09,210
going to tell you right now
you're not going to get it.

2105
02:00:10,170 --> 02:00:16,080
Australia. Oh geez, you got it.
See you soon see scores. Oh, no,

2106
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:20,010
I know. I knew I knew Australia
had to be really high. Oh, I

2107
02:00:20,010 --> 02:00:21,570
shouldn't have given you the
T's. Oh

2108
02:00:21,570 --> 02:00:27,030
no, I knew it. I knew this
because I mean we've had I

2109
02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:29,760
trained I tried to kind of in my
head I'm like, Man, I get

2110
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:35,370
stories. The Aussies are.
They're really into us you know,

2111
02:00:35,370 --> 02:00:39,780
but don't mess with them man.
These guys will mess you up. And

2112
02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:42,720
they don't like what's going on
and I can almost guess you know

2113
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:47,400
by which country is is the most
depressed so of course America

2114
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:51,600
wins. And then Australia and I
think the Netherlands has got to

2115
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,430
be third or fourth on the list

2116
02:00:53,460 --> 02:00:55,620
through now actually add
Netherlands actually comes in

2117
02:00:55,620 --> 02:00:59,760
six. It goes like this United
States, Australia, Canada,

2118
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,580
Canada, right. Yeah, I forgot
United Kingdom and Netherlands

2119
02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:05,070
UK as well. Of course. Yeah.
Yeah.

2120
02:01:05,790 --> 02:01:07,500
I actually thought the
Netherlands would come in a

2121
02:01:07,500 --> 02:01:13,410
little higher. But no. And a
couple of the guys the reason is

2122
02:01:13,410 --> 02:01:15,900
because the Netherlands The guys
who do contribute to the show

2123
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:19,890
from from the from Belgium, are
very, they're they're

2124
02:01:19,890 --> 02:01:24,060
aggressive. Right. You know,
Pels, mockers? Oh, he's in

2125
02:01:24,060 --> 02:01:26,940
Belgium, Belgium. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, Belgium comes in then it

2126
02:01:26,940 --> 02:01:31,680
comes Germany, Belgium, Norway,
Sweden, Finland, Switzerland,

2127
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:38,760
ah, Mexico. And then we have an
anomaly with Japan, which has

2128
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:40,890
very few people listening, but
they give a lot of money. And

2129
02:01:40,890 --> 02:01:43,470
same with Hong Kong. That's
where all the money is. There we

2130
02:01:43,470 --> 02:01:47,700
got Spain, Italy, France,
Denmark is actually higher, but

2131
02:01:47,700 --> 02:01:50,760
they don't give any money.
They're like, they're cheap,

2132
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:57,120
cheap. But damn Danes. They're
the Danish or GrapeCity cheap.

2133
02:01:57,600 --> 02:02:00,780
And then Poland, Poland, which
is like, that doesn't count.

2134
02:02:00,780 --> 02:02:03,540
They don't use this the non
English speaking countries, it

2135
02:02:03,540 --> 02:02:04,140
doesn't bother me.

2136
02:02:04,500 --> 02:02:07,230
Very interesting for the amount
of Well, that's really

2137
02:02:07,230 --> 02:02:10,710
interesting. For the amount of
time we spend on our have spent

2138
02:02:10,740 --> 02:02:14,670
on stories about Poland. They're
way down on the list. Oh,

2139
02:02:14,670 --> 02:02:17,400
they're way down the amount of
time we spend on the UK and

2140
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:21,270
Australia. That's about right.
Yeah. So and and Canada. We

2141
02:02:21,270 --> 02:02:22,980
probably should do more on
Canada.

2142
02:02:23,130 --> 02:02:25,290
Yeah, no, the Canadians are
completely starting to complain

2143
02:02:25,290 --> 02:02:28,170
about it. And their why and you
know, it's easy enough to do I

2144
02:02:28,170 --> 02:02:30,750
mean, it's kind of hard to beat
this hour has 22 minutes,

2145
02:02:30,750 --> 02:02:34,170
whatever the name of the show is
that nails them constantly. We

2146
02:02:34,170 --> 02:02:37,050
got some support in Singapore. I
mean, almost every countries,

2147
02:02:37,260 --> 02:02:41,640
Estonia, Dominican Republic,
Malaysia, Qatar, Israel one

2148
02:02:41,670 --> 02:02:45,000
person for raw which is that
actually is the one that really

2149
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:48,720
surprises me the most that we'd
have one listener in Israel, you

2150
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,930
may be blocked there for all I
know could be me, I could and

2151
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:58,680
Portugal with me got much. You
didn't get to have more from

2152
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:01,740
Brazil, since I'm a writer there
and fairly well known. But it's

2153
02:03:01,740 --> 02:03:03,810
again, it's in translation.

2154
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:06,900
They may be right and all kinds
of crap. You don't know what

2155
02:03:06,900 --> 02:03:08,010
they're translating it to?

2156
02:03:08,220 --> 02:03:10,620
No, they I know what they're
trying to say. I've had a lot of

2157
02:03:10,620 --> 02:03:13,200
people I know a lot of
Brazilians. And they one guy

2158
02:03:13,500 --> 02:03:16,800
said to me, once I know the
translator, he's a great guy.

2159
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,790
I've sat down with him and
powerful PowerPoint, like in 10

2160
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:22,830
minutes. The guy's fantastic.
Let me

2161
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:30,120
what was the PA? Oh, here's one
that I can't answer. What are

2162
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:33,390
the current subscriber numbers?
So first of all, subscriber

2163
02:03:33,390 --> 02:03:35,940
numbers, since the word
subscriber is a misnomer?

2164
02:03:36,270 --> 02:03:41,430
Because we really don't know how
many people listened to the show

2165
02:03:41,430 --> 02:03:44,910
by downloading. We absolutely
just don't know that. John, how

2166
02:03:44,910 --> 02:03:47,310
often? And by the way, I don't
think anyone knows in

2167
02:03:47,310 --> 02:03:50,940
podcasting, what their actual
real numbers are. There is so

2168
02:03:50,940 --> 02:03:54,240
much smoke, about numbers,

2169
02:03:54,450 --> 02:04:02,340
you'd have to guess. And would
you guess? Well, based on normal

2170
02:04:02,340 --> 02:04:09,570
direct marketing returns and the
kind of money we get it, it's

2171
02:04:09,570 --> 02:04:14,100
hard to say I mean, it could be
anywhere from 50,000 to 400,000.

2172
02:04:14,130 --> 02:04:18,510
Yeah, that's about the same
range. And it's impossible to

2173
02:04:18,510 --> 02:04:22,620
tell from the downloads. And you
know, the proxies. And of

2174
02:04:22,620 --> 02:04:27,090
course, I'm sure there's a small
percentage that is maybe not

2175
02:04:27,090 --> 02:04:31,560
downloading at all, listening
only to the stream, there's

2176
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:33,360
people getting a bit torrent

2177
02:04:34,980 --> 02:04:37,440
because we only have you know,
in terms of pure subscribers

2178
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,830
that are paying the $5 we only
have about 1500 of those people.

2179
02:04:41,490 --> 02:04:46,260
We have not pushed There you go.
That's very hard to do the $5

2180
02:04:46,260 --> 02:04:48,900
thing some people done the 30
Some people say I'm not going to

2181
02:04:48,900 --> 02:04:52,530
do it till you make it 10 And I
haven't put that up. So I mean,

2182
02:04:52,530 --> 02:04:54,750
that's you know, and then they
every time they change their

2183
02:04:54,750 --> 02:04:57,810
credit card or some number they
get bounced by Pay Pal so they

2184
02:04:57,810 --> 02:05:00,240
don't have the subscription
anymore. I get letters saying,

2185
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:02,850
Well, I sorry, but I didn't
realize I haven't had a

2186
02:05:02,850 --> 02:05:06,210
subscription for six months
because Pay Pal bounced it. And

2187
02:05:06,210 --> 02:05:10,200
I gotta re subscribe. Sorry, you
know, they apologize. And some

2188
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:13,140
people get bounced for no good
reason. It's, you know, we were

2189
02:05:13,140 --> 02:05:17,580
not that stable that we need
more subscribers for sure. We'll

2190
02:05:17,610 --> 02:05:20,580
push that we'll be pushing that,
probably on the show more.

2191
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:25,020
Okay, I've two more things. One
more. One is I actually would

2192
02:05:25,020 --> 02:05:30,180
like to know, how you prep for
the show. I think I already

2193
02:05:30,180 --> 02:05:31,170
explained what I do,

2194
02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:35,790
I don't do, I don't, generally
what I do is I typically take

2195
02:05:35,790 --> 02:05:40,920
the articles and things that I
found, and I print them out and

2196
02:05:41,130 --> 02:05:44,850
pile them up as they as they
come because I get most of my

2197
02:05:44,850 --> 02:05:48,330
stuff online. And then I'm
always making clips because they

2198
02:05:48,330 --> 02:05:51,930
have an h2 recorder by the by my
side at all times. And I'm

2199
02:05:52,260 --> 02:05:55,410
constantly jumping up even with
the full family could be

2200
02:05:55,410 --> 02:05:57,930
watching a movie or something
I'm jumping up and stopping the

2201
02:05:57,930 --> 02:06:01,860
movie, backing it up and then
getting a clip. And then you

2202
02:06:01,860 --> 02:06:04,200
know, so I collect a lot of I
spent most of my time collecting

2203
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:08,400
clips and articles, and I don't
organize them very well is

2204
02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:10,860
because of the nature of the
show, I've always assuming that

2205
02:06:10,860 --> 02:06:14,100
it's going to go anywhere,
because you never know what you

2206
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:16,770
know who's going to bring up a
topic that gets interesting in

2207
02:06:16,770 --> 02:06:20,880
the conversation itself. So I
shall I'm probably underprepared

2208
02:06:22,050 --> 02:06:26,040
in terms of pure preparation,
not in terms of the work that

2209
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:28,860
goes into getting the clips and
all and reading a lot. But in

2210
02:06:28,860 --> 02:06:30,840
terms of like thinking about
what I'm going to do, I do

2211
02:06:30,930 --> 02:06:33,600
occasionally will take a bunch
of notes early, if you watch the

2212
02:06:33,810 --> 02:06:36,420
or listen to the show, maybe a
year ago, I would have these

2213
02:06:36,420 --> 02:06:39,840
notes, I used to ridicule myself
for having taken terrible notes

2214
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:42,990
I can't read. And that was a
little more preparation. But I

2215
02:06:42,990 --> 02:06:44,910
found that it really hasn't,
that didn't do anything to

2216
02:06:44,910 --> 02:06:49,380
improve the show. And it also
kind of puts you if I if I

2217
02:06:49,410 --> 02:06:53,280
prepare too much out, I'll try
to dominate the show. And which

2218
02:06:53,310 --> 02:06:55,110
Ryan who kind of was the patient
flow.

2219
02:06:55,830 --> 02:06:59,340
In the for me, the only I do
collect everything, because I

2220
02:06:59,340 --> 02:07:02,370
find if you look at the show
notes versus what we talked

2221
02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:06,030
about in the show, I mean, the
show notes are often four times

2222
02:07:06,030 --> 02:07:10,020
as much information. And I think
that is a valuable part of the

2223
02:07:10,020 --> 02:07:14,760
show, for people to be able to
go and research stuff and look

2224
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:17,850
at things and there is a
reasonable segment of the

2225
02:07:17,850 --> 02:07:21,420
audience that really uses that
and appreciates it and looks at

2226
02:07:21,420 --> 02:07:25,410
it. Some of the iPhone apps give
you good access to it and search

2227
02:07:25,410 --> 02:07:30,750
ability. But I'm all I'm
typically always hoping, just

2228
02:07:30,750 --> 02:07:35,520
hoping that I can find from a
radio production perspective.

2229
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,670
Here it is. I'm hoping that
there's one or two zingers that

2230
02:07:38,670 --> 02:07:42,660
I have either it's a clip or its
story or something and I'll work

2231
02:07:42,660 --> 02:07:47,010
on that. And I cannot go to bed
on a Wednesday night or a

2232
02:07:47,010 --> 02:07:50,460
Saturday night without knowing I
have something and I sometimes

2233
02:07:50,460 --> 02:07:54,090
will try out my my rap on
Mickey. I'll say how does this

2234
02:07:54,090 --> 02:07:57,690
sound? And usually I get shut
down. Yeah,

2235
02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:00,300
I refuse to do that. I think
that's overdoing it.

2236
02:08:00,330 --> 02:08:02,370
I get shot down. Good.

2237
02:08:02,430 --> 02:08:07,500
So here's a quick question that
somebody has for you. What

2238
02:08:07,500 --> 02:08:10,890
happened to the global blank
fund? Adam was supposed to have

2239
02:08:10,890 --> 02:08:15,300
a big report on it. The what?
Remember that fun. You were

2240
02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:18,810
talking about that? That money
that was hidden during the

2241
02:08:18,810 --> 02:08:21,150
Reagan administration or
something? Oh,

2242
02:08:21,180 --> 02:08:25,530
you know? Yeah, the was a French
name.

2243
02:08:27,420 --> 02:08:30,870
Yeah, was brought from Monday.
Okay. Well, you know, there's

2244
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:31,740
your answer, Brian.

2245
02:08:31,860 --> 02:08:34,860
Yeah, no, well, I hit so many
dead ends, and I just don't have

2246
02:08:34,860 --> 02:08:36,570
the time to spend my life.

2247
02:08:37,110 --> 02:08:39,570
Yeah. And it's not going to
bring bring anything. It is

2248
02:08:39,570 --> 02:08:39,840
there's

2249
02:08:39,870 --> 02:08:43,530
there's, I guess the answer is,
no one has done enough reporting

2250
02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:46,920
that at least that I could find
that makes it believable,

2251
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:50,970
believable or credible enough.
And the only way to really get

2252
02:08:50,970 --> 02:08:53,850
into it is I'd have to do the
investigative work myself. And

2253
02:08:53,850 --> 02:08:55,290
that's obviously not going to
happen.

2254
02:08:55,470 --> 02:08:59,160
Okay. Hugs a lot asks, what's
the actual cost of producing the

2255
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:03,000
show? Most podcasts have zero
budgets and still produce shows.

2256
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:05,250
DSC is done free?

2257
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:09,600
No, no, it's not. That's not
true. DSC is a part of what

2258
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,750
these founding and sustain
sustaining producers have the no

2259
02:09:12,750 --> 02:09:15,540
agenda stream donated their
money for and we'll have to do

2260
02:09:15,540 --> 02:09:21,330
another drive. And you know,
what is the actual cost? And

2261
02:09:21,330 --> 02:09:24,660
what does it cost you to go to
work? You know, there's actual

2262
02:09:24,660 --> 02:09:29,790
cost this is actual time it's
there's preparation. Value for

2263
02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:33,990
value. That's the way it works.
Time is definitely money. So is

2264
02:09:33,990 --> 02:09:37,110
their actual, you know, would
you like me to charge by the

2265
02:09:37,110 --> 02:09:40,410
hour the amount of time it took
me to set up the studio? That's

2266
02:09:40,410 --> 02:09:41,580
just one little thing. No, you

2267
02:09:41,580 --> 02:09:44,070
don't not sure what I actually
the question to me is vague. I

2268
02:09:44,070 --> 02:09:48,570
don't know what it means. dz
picks asks what iPhone iPad app

2269
02:09:48,570 --> 02:09:51,840
does Adam used for the jingles
sound bank?

2270
02:09:52,769 --> 02:10:01,619
I use a program called sound
bite. Be one I T E, one word

2271
02:10:01,619 --> 02:10:07,049
sound bite on the Mac. It is
created made by black cat

2272
02:10:07,079 --> 02:10:13,169
software. And I've just kind of
been, they essentially

2273
02:10:13,169 --> 02:10:16,889
replicated a cart machine, they
look like cards, you can color

2274
02:10:16,889 --> 02:10:19,829
them like you would color a an A
card is a cartridge just as the

2275
02:10:19,829 --> 02:10:22,949
old school way of putting
jingles into a jingle machine.

2276
02:10:23,609 --> 02:10:27,389
And it's pretty customizable.
And what's nice about it is they

2277
02:10:27,389 --> 02:10:31,139
released an iPhone app, which I
can run on the iPad, although it

2278
02:10:31,139 --> 02:10:34,859
kind of sucks because it's it
runs in iPhone mode, and you

2279
02:10:34,859 --> 02:10:37,559
kind of enlarge it and it
doesn't work very well. In fact,

2280
02:10:37,619 --> 02:10:43,739
today, I didn't use it at all.
But normally, I do. And it

2281
02:10:43,739 --> 02:10:48,209
brings up the screen of your
cart deck the way it looks on

2282
02:10:48,209 --> 02:10:50,879
the computer screen. And the
only way if I had, I would

2283
02:10:50,879 --> 02:10:55,199
prefer to have an extra monitor
instead of having the the iPad

2284
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:58,799
run that because I use two
monitors because I have a lot of

2285
02:10:58,799 --> 02:11:03,179
stuff that I have to monitor.
And really what I need is I need

2286
02:11:03,179 --> 02:11:06,569
to be able to connect a third
screen to my laptop. I don't

2287
02:11:06,569 --> 02:11:08,579
think that's an easy thing to
do, though.

2288
02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:14,760
Okay. Here's an interesting
question you should be able to

2289
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:18,060
answer I'm gonna have you do it
if you can. I bought Nokia 71.

2290
02:11:18,060 --> 02:11:20,400
Because you said you like and
how do I get the stream to work

2291
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:21,150
on it? Can we do that?

2292
02:11:22,950 --> 02:11:27,360
There is actually in the Nokia
Ovi Store, which is their

2293
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:32,430
version of the app store. There
is a just released if you go

2294
02:11:32,430 --> 02:11:37,110
there. And it's like create your
own Nokia app, I think they're

2295
02:11:37,110 --> 02:11:41,880
actually calling them apps, you
can enter the RSS feed for no

2296
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:46,140
agenda. And it will create an
app for your phone. And then you

2297
02:11:46,140 --> 02:11:49,950
can put that on your phone. It
does not do the streaming bit

2298
02:11:49,950 --> 02:11:57,210
but you can get streaming
programs all over the place for

2299
02:11:57,240 --> 02:12:00,060
for the Nokia. But I think it's
more interesting just to be able

2300
02:12:00,060 --> 02:12:05,280
to, to make your own app for the
for the for the episodes.

2301
02:12:05,310 --> 02:12:09,210
So that's how you do that. And
Blackberry, by the way, also was

2302
02:12:09,210 --> 02:12:11,160
coming out they called me like
yeah,

2303
02:12:11,160 --> 02:12:14,820
we're gonna do podcasting on the
Blackberry. Can you log in and

2304
02:12:14,820 --> 02:12:18,360
put in your shows for your
company and I put it in? No

2305
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:22,800
agenda, daily source code, tech,
five top five cranky geeks and

2306
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:28,650
then I got bored. So apparently
there's some podcasting thing on

2307
02:12:28,650 --> 02:12:33,750
BlackBerry. So yeah. Any more
from the chat room?

2308
02:12:34,980 --> 02:12:37,500
Twitter, Twitter. Let me see if
there's one more here. There was

2309
02:12:37,500 --> 02:12:40,560
111. Second, just got to see
who's texting me. Oh, my cute

2310
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:45,510
guy says the show's gone from a
show with no jingles and no

2311
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:51,000
talent to a glut of both.
Thought that was kind of unique.

2312
02:12:51,450 --> 02:12:54,930
It's gone to a what? At? We have
a glut of talent. And apparently

2313
02:12:54,930 --> 02:12:59,160
on the show. It's just the same
two guys. Somebody else asks,

2314
02:12:59,370 --> 02:13:01,980
the show has changed a lot since
its inception is the same guy

2315
02:13:01,980 --> 02:13:05,700
actually opera now? Do you
prefer the new format? And uh,

2316
02:13:05,700 --> 02:13:09,240
you know, obviously we do, or
wouldn't be doing it. And the

2317
02:13:09,240 --> 02:13:11,970
audience does more? The audience
does, too. I mean, you know, the

2318
02:13:11,970 --> 02:13:14,370
show is, you know, has its, you
know,

2319
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,910
you know, I've been broadcasting
long enough, you always have

2320
02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:20,760
people who say, Oh, was much
better than Oh, it was better,

2321
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:21,180
though. Oh,

2322
02:13:21,180 --> 02:13:23,400
no, I have the same thing. As a
writer, you get this. I have

2323
02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:25,800
people that still say when you
are writing that column for

2324
02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:29,010
InfoWorld, it was much better.
Yeah. And I looked at those I

2325
02:13:29,010 --> 02:13:33,480
can go back and look at that old
crap. And it wasn't. Generally

2326
02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:35,550
speaking, things improve. Yeah,

2327
02:13:35,580 --> 02:13:38,850
I guess it's just, it's just the
nature of the beast

2328
02:13:38,910 --> 02:13:42,480
is that it's in the nostalgia or
you know, people at some point

2329
02:13:42,480 --> 02:13:45,390
people either like you more in
time, because they hear you

2330
02:13:45,390 --> 02:13:48,300
more, they read you more, or
they like you less in time, and

2331
02:13:48,300 --> 02:13:50,430
then they associate that with
maybe you were doing something

2332
02:13:50,430 --> 02:13:53,550
different before. Generally
speaking, you weren't.

2333
02:13:54,059 --> 02:13:58,409
Alright, so wrapping this up?
What's the future?

2334
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:01,110
Well, we got another 200 shows
to do.

2335
02:14:01,530 --> 02:14:05,700
At least now we have what we
have at least until episode 333.

2336
02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:07,200
Well, before we

2337
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:10,860
do another promotion like the
deuce Club. Well, we got to

2338
02:14:10,860 --> 02:14:14,850
thank all the dues club members
profusely, we'll do that over

2339
02:14:14,850 --> 02:14:20,250
time and in the on the web page.
And I think, you know, we not

2340
02:14:20,250 --> 02:14:24,660
showing any indication of slower
growth, but people still like to

2341
02:14:24,660 --> 02:14:27,660
show I think the great thing and
we've talked about this off off

2342
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:32,100
off the air a lot. There's a
there's so much material for us.

2343
02:14:32,250 --> 02:14:35,940
Yeah, I think the show there's
only there's only growth because

2344
02:14:35,970 --> 02:14:37,950
it just comes automatically

2345
02:14:37,980 --> 02:14:41,910
it's getting worse. Yeah,
they're laying everybody off the

2346
02:14:41,940 --> 02:14:46,470
the the Obama administration is
getting worse. They're lying to

2347
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:51,450
the public just straight out.
You know, there's these crazy

2348
02:14:51,450 --> 02:14:53,640
things that Hill and Knowlton
are doing. I mean, now that I

2349
02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:56,160
find that they're the behind all
the global warming stuff that

2350
02:14:56,160 --> 02:14:58,860
you know, we're doomed, that
that's going to go through

2351
02:14:58,860 --> 02:15:03,060
because you can't stop The Hill
and Knowlton, I don't know, are

2352
02:15:03,060 --> 02:15:03,210
you?

2353
02:15:03,420 --> 02:15:06,090
Are you worried that the show
will ever get like taken off the

2354
02:15:06,090 --> 02:15:06,450
air?

2355
02:15:07,770 --> 02:15:10,620
Not seriously, but it could be
it could take be taken off the

2356
02:15:10,620 --> 02:15:11,460
air. I don't think

2357
02:15:11,850 --> 02:15:15,630
this, by the way is a huge
benefit of, of our model.

2358
02:15:15,870 --> 02:15:19,200
Because if you have advertisers,
that's the attack mechanism,

2359
02:15:19,230 --> 02:15:22,500
that's where your weakest when
the minute someone doesn't like

2360
02:15:22,500 --> 02:15:25,710
what you say, Look at look at
Imus, you know, and that's just

2361
02:15:25,740 --> 02:15:28,770
one example. The minute you go
somewhere that they don't like

2362
02:15:28,770 --> 02:15:32,220
you then then the audience. For
us, it's easy. The audience like

2363
02:15:32,220 --> 02:15:34,650
what we do, we get no money.
It's like, okay, we can turn

2364
02:15:34,650 --> 02:15:37,770
that around around in one
episode, we can go, Okay, we

2365
02:15:37,770 --> 02:15:40,860
went off the track there, we can
get back on. But when your

2366
02:15:40,860 --> 02:15:43,770
advertisers pull out, then the
network goes nuts. And then

2367
02:15:43,770 --> 02:15:46,230
you're then you're out of a job,
you're dead. You're gone your

2368
02:15:46,230 --> 02:15:46,770
history.

2369
02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:49,800
And you lost it. You know, there
was you don't have control from

2370
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:52,860
the get go. Yeah. And that's
another reason I think the

2371
02:15:52,860 --> 02:15:56,280
direct support is the way to go
is open source. We don't care.

2372
02:15:56,610 --> 02:15:58,980
One of the things that's great
about our say, well, one of the,

2373
02:15:59,220 --> 02:16:01,320
you know, if somebody's
bootlegs, the show puts on their

2374
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:03,990
own website takes credit for say
they produce it, I don't care.

2375
02:16:04,260 --> 02:16:09,300
The fact is, our messages are
embedded in the show. And they

2376
02:16:09,330 --> 02:16:12,390
it goes with us, we don't need
to prove numbers. We don't say

2377
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:16,920
all our numbers from Arbitron
came in and we got to three,

2378
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:20,760
three, and this is due here.
Look, Mr. advertiser, give us

2379
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:23,970
some more money. We have a
better CPM, we have a certain

2380
02:16:23,970 --> 02:16:26,940
demo, they have to prove our
demo. And we have to prove the

2381
02:16:26,940 --> 02:16:28,980
CPM and this and that. And the
other thing, I mean, it's

2382
02:16:28,980 --> 02:16:29,550
ridiculous

2383
02:16:29,580 --> 02:16:32,160
for those days when you when you
wait for the arbitrage to come

2384
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:35,640
out and the whole station was
like tiptoeing around. Well, we

2385
02:16:35,640 --> 02:16:39,810
know the trends are down. So
we're, How bad will it be? Or?

2386
02:16:40,139 --> 02:16:43,109
Yeah, we don't deal with any of
that. We don't want to it's

2387
02:16:43,109 --> 02:16:46,439
ridiculous. And we completely
independent. We don't have

2388
02:16:46,439 --> 02:16:49,979
anybody telling us what to do.
We don't have advertisers

2389
02:16:49,979 --> 02:16:53,189
telling us what to do, which is
the real danger here. And I did

2390
02:16:53,219 --> 02:16:56,609
without exception. The only way
we would be taken off the air is

2391
02:16:56,609 --> 02:17:00,479
if the government or somebody
sued us or the government

2392
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:03,179
decided to pull the plug or they
who knows I mean that but that's

2393
02:17:03,179 --> 02:17:05,969
not going to happen. We're gonna
look we're below the radar.

2394
02:17:05,969 --> 02:17:09,809
We're crackpots. We believe it.
We're conspiracy theory people

2395
02:17:09,809 --> 02:17:14,129
who know. And they will get
taxed for being conspiracy

2396
02:17:14,129 --> 02:17:16,709
theory, guys. Yeah, that's the
worst thing that could happen.

2397
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:19,709
Well, I can live well, it seems
to me that Alex Jones will get

2398
02:17:19,709 --> 02:17:22,379
taken out before we do. And that
would be a nice warning shot.

2399
02:17:22,379 --> 02:17:24,929
We'd he's the he's the canary in
the cage. As far as I'm

2400
02:17:24,929 --> 02:17:27,149
concerned, even though I don't
think he does have to do work we

2401
02:17:27,149 --> 02:17:27,449
do.

2402
02:17:28,680 --> 02:17:31,350
I think he has good guests. But
that's a different format.

2403
02:17:32,010 --> 02:17:33,960
But no, we can't. That's another
thing. That's the one question

2404
02:17:33,960 --> 02:17:37,740
we should at least before we
finish that we cannot do two

2405
02:17:37,740 --> 02:17:42,060
hours. Yeah. Well, we've done it
again. Before we finish it, you

2406
02:17:42,060 --> 02:17:45,000
know, the people say, Well, can
I be a guest on your show? Do

2407
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:47,130
you how can we don't do this?
How can we don't do that? We may

2408
02:17:47,130 --> 02:17:49,470
do some separate interview shows
separately that will be on the

2409
02:17:49,470 --> 02:17:53,160
stream that will be part of some
other initiative. This show is

2410
02:17:53,160 --> 02:17:56,700
what it is. It's two guys
talking to each other about the

2411
02:17:56,730 --> 02:17:59,370
current events just like you do
in a coffee shop with your

2412
02:17:59,370 --> 02:18:02,610
buddies is no guests. We don't
do when you're in a coffee shop.

2413
02:18:02,610 --> 02:18:07,320
You don't say man coming in to
just have a guest you know, so

2414
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:09,840
and so just finished the book.
So what was your book about?

2415
02:18:10,560 --> 02:18:12,000
This is not the Larry King show,

2416
02:18:12,030 --> 02:18:16,200
right? Well, anyway, so yeah, we
were going to do an hour we're

2417
02:18:16,260 --> 02:18:17,040
moving up now.

2418
02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:21,510
What are we had to have the
exact recording here we are at

2419
02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:26,610
145. Good job. Thank you again,
to everyone who supports no

2420
02:18:26,610 --> 02:18:31,620
agenda, who supported this show.
The deuce club thanks to

2421
02:18:31,620 --> 02:18:35,610
everyone who's out there and
making websites and crazy ideas

2422
02:18:35,610 --> 02:18:41,910
and and promoting us. It is also
your show. So I could just say

2423
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:46,290
thank you, John. Thank you. I
thank you I really it's the

2424
02:18:46,290 --> 02:18:49,680
highlight of my week twin that
happens twice a week

2425
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:53,129
and we'll try to do these
special third shows every so

2426
02:18:53,129 --> 02:18:54,899
often. And

2427
02:18:55,170 --> 02:18:56,370
what are we gonna talk about?

2428
02:18:57,059 --> 02:19:01,709
Well I think we talked out I'll
bet we could do another two hour

2429
02:19:01,709 --> 02:19:07,259
I you know I was just about to
say not a problem and in our in

2430
02:19:07,259 --> 02:19:09,239
our spouse what do you think
it's so weird that I don't use

2431
02:19:09,239 --> 02:19:09,839
headphones

2432
02:19:10,500 --> 02:19:13,800
it's it's a typical for for
radio guys in

2433
02:19:14,459 --> 02:19:20,159
a typical but but I managed
because I use this the the pop

2434
02:19:20,159 --> 02:19:24,659
screen yeah as my point of
departure. And so if I keep my

2435
02:19:24,659 --> 02:19:27,659
lips within a quarter inch of
the pop screen I'm within range

2436
02:19:27,689 --> 02:19:29,249
of this microphone. We're back

2437
02:19:29,250 --> 02:19:34,530
by the way with the last bit of
this special episode. And this

2438
02:19:34,530 --> 02:19:37,680
is you can tell that we speak
exactly the same way off air as

2439
02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:41,910
we do. Why do you think that's a
weird?

2440
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:46,590
That's you know, it reminds me
of like I tell people this when

2441
02:19:46,590 --> 02:19:49,590
you give them trying to give
people teleprompter training

2442
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:52,830
that and then the funny thing is
when I remember years and years

2443
02:19:52,830 --> 02:19:56,310
ago is doing some some body or
radio thing of some sort and I

2444
02:19:56,310 --> 02:19:59,850
was reading advertising copy.
And there was just a moment

2445
02:19:59,850 --> 02:20:02,580
where The Read became my actual
voice.

2446
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:06,240
Oh, that's when you get the gig,
obviously. And you go, Oh

2447
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:10,110
my God, that sounds so cool.
Yeah, sounds actually natural.

2448
02:20:11,340 --> 02:20:13,590
Now, by the way, there's one
thing I did want to mention that

2449
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:16,860
in the first half is this does
stammering I do all the time, I

2450
02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:19,980
think is annoying. Thank God,
people don't bitch about it.

2451
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:21,810
I don't notice that at all.

2452
02:20:22,260 --> 02:20:24,090
Yeah, well, I do when I hear
myself.

2453
02:20:24,270 --> 02:20:28,080
Well, you know, everyone has,
there's a lot of stuff I don't

2454
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:29,490
like about how I talk.

2455
02:20:30,900 --> 02:20:36,300
Now, you sound a lot better than
I do. Anyway. So I think this is

2456
02:20:36,690 --> 02:20:38,370
pretty much wraps this show up?

2457
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:41,790
Well, I just wanted to say
they're the format. We're not

2458
02:20:41,790 --> 02:20:45,390
the format. If anything, the
show has kind of developed a

2459
02:20:45,390 --> 02:20:51,540
format. That for me, you know,
there there there is a change,

2460
02:20:51,540 --> 02:20:56,070
which was driven more by the
world around us. And when I say

2461
02:20:56,070 --> 02:21:00,300
the world, I mean, the media
world, is that now that there's

2462
02:21:00,300 --> 02:21:07,590
less and less news, actually
being presented in our in our in

2463
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:11,130
the mainstream media, I think
that both of us have have taken

2464
02:21:11,130 --> 02:21:15,780
it upon ourselves to work much
harder, had actually finding,

2465
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,300
you know, knew the words. I
mean, we're doing more

2466
02:21:18,300 --> 02:21:21,480
uncovering and I mean, I
jokingly call myself government

2467
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:22,680
legislation analyst.

2468
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:25,680
Did you get the email from the
guest says that was redundant.

2469
02:21:25,890 --> 02:21:26,460
No, I

2470
02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:29,370
don't or I haven't seen it yet.
Oh, yeah. Well, a guy says,

2471
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:32,460
well, could you call yourself
that all legislation is

2472
02:21:32,460 --> 02:21:35,610
government legislation or can't
be called legislation? So you're

2473
02:21:35,820 --> 02:21:37,620
being redundant. You shouldn't
be calling yourself an

2474
02:21:37,620 --> 02:21:39,960
independent legislation analyst.

2475
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:42,570
No, or something that doesn't
sound good at cocktail parties.

2476
02:21:42,570 --> 02:21:45,480
When you say, government
legislation analyst? Yeah, no,

2477
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:49,980
I'm just telling you, you need
to realize it's redundant. Now,

2478
02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:53,430
yeah, I think that will you've
done a lot more reading of deep

2479
02:21:53,430 --> 02:21:57,720
reading and gotten into reading
legislation. I had not gone that

2480
02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:02,850
way I have. I'm more. I'm still
flipped, floundering in some of

2481
02:22:02,850 --> 02:22:03,300
this stuff.

2482
02:22:03,300 --> 02:22:06,330
No, I disagree. Because you're
doing something interesting.

2483
02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:08,790
You're especially the last
couple of shows you've been

2484
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:12,030
tuning in to a lot of foreign
media sources. Still English

2485
02:22:12,030 --> 02:22:13,350
spoken in general?

2486
02:22:14,010 --> 02:22:16,680
Yeah, I have gone to the foreign
sources. And then, because

2487
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:18,750
that's the only thing I've been
able to do where I'll bring

2488
02:22:18,750 --> 02:22:20,670
these stories up. And you
haven't heard in, which proves

2489
02:22:20,670 --> 02:22:24,030
my point, that these stories are
not getting out there yet. Some

2490
02:22:24,030 --> 02:22:26,250
of these stories were
interesting, like the Cambodian

2491
02:22:26,730 --> 02:22:27,780
child, but yeah,

2492
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:31,470
it hits CNN. No, actually, me.
Yeah, we

2493
02:22:31,500 --> 02:22:34,380
that's another thing we we've
done over we since the Red Book

2494
02:22:34,380 --> 02:22:37,110
began. And actually even before
that, people are finally

2495
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:39,810
realizing that we're way ahead
of the curve on some of these

2496
02:22:39,810 --> 02:22:41,700
stories are way ahead of the
curve.

2497
02:22:41,970 --> 02:22:44,430
Well, yeah, just look at drones.
I mean, I think I don't think it

2498
02:22:44,430 --> 02:22:48,000
was in 205 that I can remember,
but I know we were talking about

2499
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:53,160
drones as far back as 2010. And
it kind of creeps up on you. And

2500
02:22:53,340 --> 02:22:55,320
sometimes just gotta remind
myself like, man, we've been

2501
02:22:55,320 --> 02:22:58,950
talking about this for so long.
And we were joking about drones

2502
02:22:58,950 --> 02:23:02,940
overhead. Now it's mainstream
conversation, just mainstream

2503
02:23:02,940 --> 02:23:03,840
conversation.

2504
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:07,080
So let's wrap this one up, give
people a heads up on the next

2505
02:23:07,080 --> 02:23:12,420
show. And then we hope they'll
keep helping us here. Yes, with

2506
02:23:12,420 --> 02:23:17,280
the donations to even though
we're not live. We are live to

2507
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:20,730
tape, but it's kind of a and
we're gonna be back. Let's

2508
02:23:20,730 --> 02:23:22,890
interrupt these guys once again,
is what we're talking about

2509
02:23:22,890 --> 02:23:26,430
earlier in the show. Yeah. Now,
this is the end. We've

2510
02:23:26,430 --> 02:23:30,570
interrupted ourselves twice
here. And anything else? So

2511
02:23:30,570 --> 02:23:33,030
there's a couple of things that
I suppose we should wrap with.

2512
02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:36,780
I'd like to I'd like to talk
about how best to interact with

2513
02:23:36,780 --> 02:23:41,070
the show with with stories and
ideas. And this is this is

2514
02:23:41,070 --> 02:23:43,290
really from my end. I don't know
you. Yeah, this

2515
02:23:43,290 --> 02:23:47,640
hasn't been discussed yet. Yeah.
Discuss it occasionally on the

2516
02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:48,480
regular show, right.

2517
02:23:48,750 --> 02:23:53,670
So when you're when you have a
lot of email as an example, I've

2518
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:56,310
tried to do this before, you
know, please be descriptive in

2519
02:23:56,310 --> 02:23:59,520
your subject line, etc. And
please be as short as possible.

2520
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,890
And sometimes it's just not
possible people have a story, if

2521
02:24:01,890 --> 02:24:04,290
you have a story to tell if
there's something important if

2522
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:07,410
you have new information, new
shit has come to light. All of

2523
02:24:07,410 --> 02:24:10,200
that, of course is fine. But
again, subject lines are very

2524
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:14,910
important. We think about going
through two or 300 emails, you

2525
02:24:14,910 --> 02:24:17,760
know, 10 seconds makes a
difference in my life. It really

2526
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:22,140
does. So for me, please if you
have a link or something that's

2527
02:24:22,140 --> 02:24:26,220
just funny, or something you
feel is relevant. Tweet it to me

2528
02:24:26,250 --> 02:24:31,500
I read every single tweet I
probably will not retweet if you

2529
02:24:31,500 --> 02:24:33,510
send some something that I'm
going to use on the show I will

2530
02:24:33,510 --> 02:24:36,720
always favorite it so you know
that I've read it. And the

2531
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:39,750
reason why is it's I go down a
list and it's Ling Ling Ling

2532
02:24:39,750 --> 02:24:42,630
Ling like I don't have to open
an email, don't have to go to

2533
02:24:42,630 --> 02:24:45,450
the next email don't have to
read a whole thing. Just you're

2534
02:24:45,450 --> 02:24:49,590
limited to 140 characters is
beautiful. If you send it that

2535
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:53,760
way. And the same for John the
same thing and also, don't send

2536
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:57,810
the same great idea to both of
us. That sucks. Send that to

2537
02:24:57,810 --> 02:25:01,500
John or to me. Don't say sending
it Both is generally not a good

2538
02:25:01,500 --> 02:25:05,040
idea. Because sometimes I think,
Oh, well, John will have that.

2539
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:07,500
Or you may think I'm doing it
and sometimes you wind up not

2540
02:25:07,500 --> 02:25:12,270
even covering it. These are
very, very important things and

2541
02:25:12,270 --> 02:25:14,610
encryption, if you really, truly

2542
02:25:15,030 --> 02:25:17,460
are sending some government guy,
you need

2543
02:25:17,460 --> 02:25:20,970
to encrypt, because I can
promise you anonymity because my

2544
02:25:20,970 --> 02:25:25,230
system is set up. So I will know
that I won't blow the blow your

2545
02:25:25,230 --> 02:25:28,050
cover, but there's going to be
copies and there's just stuff

2546
02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:31,050
you if you really want to be
protected, then learn how to do

2547
02:25:31,050 --> 02:25:32,760
encryption. It's not all that
hard.

2548
02:25:33,870 --> 02:25:36,210
Yeah, and send the encrypted
stuff down. Because I, you know,

2549
02:25:36,210 --> 02:25:40,170
I more lacks about I don't, and
then a lot of time worrying

2550
02:25:40,170 --> 02:25:40,590
about it,

2551
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:43,890
many people will send me clips.
So they'll have oh, here's four

2552
02:25:43,890 --> 02:25:47,520
clips I made. Please don't do
that. I appreciate it. But

2553
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:51,450
typically, I'm just winding up,
you know, clipping your clips,

2554
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,090
if you want to send me a sound
file of something that's highly

2555
02:25:54,090 --> 02:25:57,630
appreciated, because that saves
me a lot of time in recording

2556
02:25:57,630 --> 02:26:00,360
something or encoding it or
taking it off the web, whatever.

2557
02:26:01,410 --> 02:26:04,710
Let me see. So that's yeah,
those are probably the only

2558
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:05,280
thing I actually

2559
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:08,430
don't have so much of a problem
with the clips to send them to

2560
02:26:08,430 --> 02:26:11,490
me. But if you have a long clip,
or a reference clip where it

2561
02:26:11,490 --> 02:26:15,120
says, Oh, look at this YouTube
video do put the time.

2562
02:26:15,660 --> 02:26:19,380
Oh, yes, please. Yeah, please
tell me where it's real. And

2563
02:26:19,470 --> 02:26:23,100
some kind of descriptor like,
you'll love this and 54 minutes

2564
02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:26,400
20 No, I won't. I don't love
that.

2565
02:26:26,670 --> 02:26:29,940
Yeah, that sort of thing is not
good. Now. It's not helpful.

2566
02:26:30,060 --> 02:26:31,680
That's our listen to this. Are

2567
02:26:32,880 --> 02:26:35,760
we? You won't believe this.
Yeah. And I

2568
02:26:35,790 --> 02:26:39,210
don't mind getting the email.
But you have to realize I get

2569
02:26:39,210 --> 02:26:43,740
more email than Adam. I'm
betting I don't think so. I get

2570
02:26:43,740 --> 02:26:51,210
over 450 pieces a day? Oh, no,
I'm probably about 40 an hour is

2571
02:26:51,210 --> 02:26:55,890
what I get. Well, that would be
800. And well, but it does slow

2572
02:26:55,890 --> 02:26:59,250
down during certain hours. So
we're probably close, not far

2573
02:26:59,250 --> 02:26:59,760
from it.

2574
02:26:59,880 --> 02:27:04,080
I go through my email. And
pretty much I if I look at my

2575
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:08,430
email page right now, like from
Zillow says from yesterday, and

2576
02:27:08,430 --> 02:27:11,130
there'll be a page of I think
there's like 35 on the page, the

2577
02:27:11,130 --> 02:27:15,540
way squirrel mail delivers it.
Squirrel value squirrel mail,

2578
02:27:17,550 --> 02:27:24,180
these 35 entries, and I'd say
three, were opened. I do it

2579
02:27:24,180 --> 02:27:28,020
based on on subject lines. And
person if it's somebody I know

2580
02:27:28,020 --> 02:27:31,860
that I have, you know, commonly
converse with Yeah, I'll check

2581
02:27:31,860 --> 02:27:35,610
theirs out. But I find looked at
or read through these. Now you

2582
02:27:35,610 --> 02:27:38,640
say why am I why am I opening
this or the worst thing that

2583
02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:41,520
happens to the email, which is
the FIFO problem that we've

2584
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,190
discussed on the show? I'll say,
Oh, this

2585
02:27:44,190 --> 02:27:47,280
is good. We didn't discuss this
in 200.5 or six.

2586
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:51,030
We've discussed it on the
regular show, which is the last

2587
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:54,060
thing that comes in as the first
thing that goes out. And here's

2588
02:27:54,060 --> 02:27:56,880
how it works. I get an email.
Oh, this is great. I'm gonna

2589
02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:59,580
have to do this for the show.
Now, if I don't print the email

2590
02:27:59,580 --> 02:28:02,310
out, which is do I use a
printer? Adam doesn't? If I

2591
02:28:02,310 --> 02:28:05,340
don't, because he uses the
freedom controller. If I don't

2592
02:28:05,340 --> 02:28:08,820
print it out right there. And I
say to myself, which I know I

2593
02:28:08,820 --> 02:28:11,550
shouldn't do, but I'll do it
anyway. I'll get back

2594
02:28:11,550 --> 02:28:14,610
to that doesn't happen. Yeah,
flagging and all that stuff

2595
02:28:14,610 --> 02:28:15,270
never works.

2596
02:28:15,330 --> 02:28:18,660
No, it doesn't work. I never get
back to because I can't find it.

2597
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:22,200
I saw who sent that. Who sent
that? What was the title and now

2598
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:25,440
try to dream up that do searches
on subject lines. I can now I

2599
02:28:25,440 --> 02:28:27,270
was in it. And it's gone.

2600
02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:32,850
Right? Oh, another thing. It is
not helpful to if you have a

2601
02:28:32,850 --> 02:28:37,530
great like, oh, this document or
this legislation. People send

2602
02:28:37,530 --> 02:28:42,420
that to me on show day morning.
And what happens is of course I

2603
02:28:42,420 --> 02:28:46,290
don't have time to dive into it.
The Oh, this would be great for

2604
02:28:46,290 --> 02:28:50,220
today's show. No it won't
because I'm already way way down

2605
02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:52,350
the path. There's always room
for things but certainly

2606
02:28:52,350 --> 02:28:56,100
something I have to read and
parse and I like marking up PDFs

2607
02:28:56,790 --> 02:29:01,140
no send it to me after the show
or a day before not not show

2608
02:29:01,140 --> 02:29:04,050
morning. And that's it sad
because there's a lot of good

2609
02:29:04,050 --> 02:29:06,720
stuff and then I have the same
problem. By the time I'm back

2610
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:09,420
around. It's like I don't
remember it or you know, I

2611
02:29:09,420 --> 02:29:13,110
didn't put it in the right place
or just the stuff you get his

2612
02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:13,380
stuff

2613
02:29:13,380 --> 02:29:21,750
between pacific time anyway.
between noon and I'd say five on

2614
02:29:22,020 --> 02:29:25,290
Wednesdays and Saturday. That's
helpful. Yeah, it has a better

2615
02:29:25,290 --> 02:29:29,190
shot. But then I have this Trump
because we talked about how we

2616
02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:32,910
finish the show. And on show
nights where I call show night

2617
02:29:32,910 --> 02:29:34,680
which is the night before the
show. That's where you

2618
02:29:34,830 --> 02:29:37,620
with no sex is that what you
call Well,

2619
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:42,960
sex would be better but
distracting show night would be

2620
02:29:43,140 --> 02:29:46,800
you have your getting your clips
organized and thing I get to I

2621
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:51,120
have to go to bed at right after
I closed the books at midnight,

2622
02:29:51,630 --> 02:29:54,360
right at midnight Pacific time.
So if you'd get a donation and

2623
02:29:54,360 --> 02:29:56,970
after that doesn't get it goes
to the next show. It doesn't go

2624
02:29:56,970 --> 02:30:01,050
on and we're pretty strict.
Yeah. And so So I closed that I

2625
02:30:01,050 --> 02:30:03,990
send all this stuff, I also have
to type in all the checks that

2626
02:30:03,990 --> 02:30:07,290
came in over $50. So that's like
a little, just extra work, which

2627
02:30:07,290 --> 02:30:10,950
is fine. Cuz some of the checks
are, you know, nice, they got

2628
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:14,130
notes. And it's interesting. So
I had to send it all at Eric.

2629
02:30:14,130 --> 02:30:17,760
And then that's about done with
all that about 1220. And I have

2630
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:21,030
to go to bed because I gotta get
up at seven to do the to move

2631
02:30:21,030 --> 02:30:24,690
the clips from. And I produced
my clips in the morning before

2632
02:30:24,690 --> 02:30:27,720
the show, because the clips
themselves even though I've

2633
02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:31,020
tried, I will put very
descriptive stuff and this is

2634
02:30:31,020 --> 02:30:35,010
the job put the democracy now
and I'll put the name of the

2635
02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:37,410
wood who's saying something and
what were they're talking about,

2636
02:30:37,410 --> 02:30:41,010
I try to put it all in there.
But 90% of the time, I can't get

2637
02:30:41,010 --> 02:30:44,700
it all in there. And because
it's too long of a file name.

2638
02:30:44,700 --> 02:30:48,450
And so what I do I do the clips
in the morning before the show,

2639
02:30:48,450 --> 02:30:52,560
I produce them, so I can
remember them. So when I look at

2640
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:56,970
the clips, right 20 clips, and I
just I just produced them like

2641
02:30:56,970 --> 02:31:00,630
an hour earlier. Yeah, I can
look at the clip and say, I know

2642
02:31:00,630 --> 02:31:01,620
that I just heard it.

2643
02:31:01,650 --> 02:31:04,830
I have the same thing. I that's
the last thing I do. Before we

2644
02:31:04,830 --> 02:31:08,010
start the show is I organized
the clips into little folders,

2645
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:11,880
my clips, your clips are always
in one folder. And that's the

2646
02:31:11,880 --> 02:31:14,850
only way I can remember them.
Otherwise, if it's done too far

2647
02:31:14,850 --> 02:31:17,010
in advance now that I won't
remember either one. What the

2648
02:31:17,010 --> 02:31:17,820
hell was that?

2649
02:31:18,180 --> 02:31:23,130
Yeah, like sometimes I'll carry
a clip over for a week. On the

2650
02:31:23,130 --> 02:31:26,700
next show, and I won't know what
it was. It says bear is that

2651
02:31:26,700 --> 02:31:30,240
what is that? Something that I
really knew what that meant?

2652
02:31:31,260 --> 02:31:33,720
Three days ago, but now I don't
know what it means. Hey, I want

2653
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:34,710
to thank Eric

2654
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:38,670
the shill. Okay. Thank you.
Thanks. Sorry.

2655
02:31:38,700 --> 02:31:42,540
Yeah, he he does all the rings
and stuff. And he's customer

2656
02:31:42,540 --> 02:31:45,780
support, I guess would be what
we'd call he's good at that.

2657
02:31:46,260 --> 02:31:50,460
He's really good. And I want to
thank Mimi, who makes sure that

2658
02:31:51,300 --> 02:31:54,420
that we're all on the straight
and narrow. Yeah, she does that.

2659
02:31:54,540 --> 02:31:59,490
And that's it. That's that's the
whole no agenda. Things. Well,

2660
02:31:59,490 --> 02:32:01,800
the producers of course, the PL
supporters

2661
02:32:02,460 --> 02:32:04,080
are grand dukes, we got time.

2662
02:32:04,110 --> 02:32:05,490
Yeah, it's a big deal.

2663
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:11,010
Pals. mocker and holy holy moly,
yeah. No, I'm not going to do

2664
02:32:11,010 --> 02:32:17,550
that. And but everyone, all the
people who are students of this

2665
02:32:17,550 --> 02:32:20,580
people on you know, fixed income
social wider range

2666
02:32:20,610 --> 02:32:24,270
of producers or listeners I have
to say it's astonishes me that's

2667
02:32:24,270 --> 02:32:29,550
the most interesting thing is
the number of the range that we

2668
02:32:29,550 --> 02:32:32,850
have of listeners, the demo is
out of control. There's no way

2669
02:32:33,240 --> 02:32:34,740
you can isolate the demo. We
could

2670
02:32:34,740 --> 02:32:38,490
we couldn't even sell this to an
advertiser. Demos all over the

2671
02:32:38,490 --> 02:32:41,790
map. We don't know what they're
gonna sell Mars bars or

2672
02:32:41,820 --> 02:32:44,430
geriatric underwear. We're not
sure what we're supposed to sell

2673
02:32:44,430 --> 02:32:45,000
on your show

2674
02:32:45,060 --> 02:32:51,240
pablum. Exactly. You have no
idea. I mean, I think it's great

2675
02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:54,660
to have a wide variety because
that way our input we get a lot

2676
02:32:54,660 --> 02:32:58,590
of input. The input is from a
wide variety of people. We have

2677
02:32:58,590 --> 02:33:00,900
people in the government we have
people in intelligence, we have

2678
02:33:00,900 --> 02:33:04,590
people in the military, we have
steel workers, we have dance,

2679
02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:08,700
things we talked about on the on
the 200.5 show, which I wanted

2680
02:33:08,700 --> 02:33:11,700
to mention is that we were
lamenting some of the people

2681
02:33:11,700 --> 02:33:15,900
that we had, you know who was
the was the oldest show is

2682
02:33:15,900 --> 02:33:19,110
knighthoods random a rundown and
we're trying well we need

2683
02:33:19,260 --> 02:33:23,460
lawyers and we need to put yours
we'd like to have a butcher

2684
02:33:23,460 --> 02:33:27,540
listening we have at this point
years later, five years later

2685
02:33:27,630 --> 02:33:31,050
that show we have all those all
of them. Yeah, we have a knight

2686
02:33:31,050 --> 02:33:33,240
who's a butcher, we have a
knight who's a dentist we have

2687
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:35,670
plenty of doctors who are nice
we have plenty of lawyers, we

2688
02:33:35,670 --> 02:33:39,750
have professors, we have
professors we have again

2689
02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:43,200
military men, we have
entrepreneurs, so everybody's on

2690
02:33:43,200 --> 02:33:45,840
board and we try to do the best
we can to keep everybody

2691
02:33:45,870 --> 02:33:48,990
entertained as best we can I
think we do a good job

2692
02:33:49,170 --> 02:33:52,740
I think so. If not we wouldn't
be the show would be over

2693
02:33:52,770 --> 02:33:56,130
yes and that could happen if you
know support if we lose our way

2694
02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:59,910
or we lose our it would be our
fault Yeah, I agree. Something

2695
02:33:59,910 --> 02:34:03,930
would change and everyone rushed
all this new show these guys are

2696
02:34:03,930 --> 02:34:07,500
doing dumb agenda dump agenda
I've never heard a dumb agenda

2697
02:34:07,530 --> 02:34:10,800
heard of no agenda but not dumb
agenda all dumb agenda so much

2698
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:15,420
bad much bad listed as no. Yeah,
really? It happened?

2699
02:34:15,660 --> 02:34:18,870
Yes, I'm cognizant of it every
single every single show I'm

2700
02:34:18,870 --> 02:34:21,840
always happy that we get to do
another one.

2701
02:34:22,350 --> 02:34:25,290
Right. And that just determined
on a weekly basis and it

2702
02:34:25,290 --> 02:34:28,920
actually a twice weekly basis.
And it depends on your help your

2703
02:34:28,920 --> 02:34:32,430
donations and your support to
direct.org/and Eight It'd be my

2704
02:34:32,430 --> 02:34:34,230
last plug for that. And

2705
02:34:34,290 --> 02:34:40,260
the newsletter, I will say is of
extreme important importance to

2706
02:34:40,260 --> 02:34:44,100
the show which you do all that
and that is your science. Your

2707
02:34:44,130 --> 02:34:47,640
you really work very hard on
getting people to open the

2708
02:34:47,640 --> 02:34:51,360
newsletter. Yeah, that was a
challenge. And I encourage

2709
02:34:51,360 --> 02:34:54,720
everyone I've started moving the
signup link to the top of the

2710
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:57,510
show notes right on the
homepage, sign up for the

2711
02:34:57,510 --> 02:34:59,970
newsletter there and then make
sure that if you're on Gmail

2712
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,150
they'll make the probably in the
promotions tab or yeah always

2713
02:35:03,150 --> 02:35:03,450
shows

2714
02:35:03,450 --> 02:35:06,420
up in the promotions tab will
show up in spam once in a while

2715
02:35:06,420 --> 02:35:08,400
because these guys don't care
about

2716
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:12,630
you know, at all. And that is
the bottom line. This is your

2717
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:18,240
show. You produce it. This how
it works. I can't say now the

2718
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:21,480
way people are producing weed.
Yeah, we have the the final

2719
02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:23,520
production, we put it all
together, we try to lead you

2720
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:27,420
into places where we think it'll
be interesting. That's what we

2721
02:35:27,420 --> 02:35:31,560
do. But it really is. It's, I
hate the word, but it's a

2722
02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:32,220
community.

2723
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:34,020
Yeah, you don't hate that word,
you're full of it.

2724
02:35:35,250 --> 02:35:38,940
It's like one of those words as
a good word. Okay, it's a

2725
02:35:38,940 --> 02:35:42,720
community. And everyone's a part
of it. And I'm like, everyone's

2726
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:45,930
a part of it. And they, we this
next, over the next year or so

2727
02:35:45,930 --> 02:35:48,660
we're going to try to create the
more meetups so people can have

2728
02:35:48,660 --> 02:35:51,840
their little get togethers
because it turns out, and we've

2729
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,660
both witnessed this is that if
you're out with the no agenda

2730
02:35:54,660 --> 02:35:58,500
community in anywhere from
Michigan, to Tennessee, to

2731
02:35:58,500 --> 02:36:02,700
wherever, and there's an AI of
Moscow, Moscow, you, if you have

2732
02:36:02,700 --> 02:36:05,610
them gather, a few of them
gather together, and they all

2733
02:36:05,610 --> 02:36:08,910
like each other. Yeah, it's like
it's like a social thing.

2734
02:36:09,240 --> 02:36:12,300
Because anyone who listens to no
agenda will have a certain take

2735
02:36:12,300 --> 02:36:14,370
on the world. And that take on
the world affects your

2736
02:36:14,370 --> 02:36:17,250
personality, and just the way
that other people who listen to

2737
02:36:17,250 --> 02:36:20,700
no agenda usually end up liking
each other. So it's a, we could

2738
02:36:20,700 --> 02:36:23,880
create a lot of long lasting
friendships, if we put a little

2739
02:36:23,880 --> 02:36:26,370
more effort into that part of
it. And I think we're going to

2740
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:28,560
attempt to do more. And

2741
02:36:28,620 --> 02:36:34,500
certainly I plan to be on the
road. In the in the coming fall.

2742
02:36:34,770 --> 02:36:38,400
I plan I still want to do my
trip to the Sacramento train

2743
02:36:38,400 --> 02:36:40,140
museum on the Amtrak

2744
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:43,650
beat up nice, great, everybody
gets

2745
02:36:43,650 --> 02:36:48,750
on the train, they chunk it up
to Sacramento. And we all go to

2746
02:36:48,750 --> 02:36:51,510
the train museum, look around,
meet up having lunch in

2747
02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:54,090
Sacramento and then jump on the
train and go back or stay there

2748
02:36:54,090 --> 02:36:58,350
where anyone wants to do I think
it'd be fantastic. trains,

2749
02:36:59,250 --> 02:37:04,350
planes ban. We think of everyone
from from San Jose, up through

2750
02:37:04,350 --> 02:37:06,900
the peninsula through San
Francisco and on

2751
02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:10,320
nice. Well, I think I think we I
think we did it.

2752
02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:13,170
I think so play us out my
stroke. Yes.

2753
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:17,190
I said this is another one of
those things on the board. For

2754
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:20,640
the Oh, yes, of course. For
those of you who have the

2755
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:24,480
opportunity to listen to the
show live has its own merit and

2756
02:37:24,510 --> 02:37:29,340
is interesting, certainly if
you're in the chat room, and not

2757
02:37:29,370 --> 02:37:32,760
not everybody knows that
probably half an hour before we

2758
02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:37,620
start live. There's a pre stream
and you know, play songs and

2759
02:37:37,620 --> 02:37:39,750
some of those sometimes even
things we'll be playing in the

2760
02:37:39,750 --> 02:37:43,020
show itself, we've got some
longer jingles or things that

2761
02:37:43,020 --> 02:37:45,000
have been sent in and it's a
it's kind of a for me,

2762
02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:51,420
personally, I like it to get all
kind of hyped up and pumped up.

2763
02:37:51,450 --> 02:37:55,170
That's right, pumped up and
ready for the show. Okay, so the

2764
02:37:55,170 --> 02:37:58,830
next program that'll be your two
interviews with Scully and how

2765
02:37:59,550 --> 02:38:01,860
did you say hail apples and John
Sculley?

2766
02:38:03,300 --> 02:38:05,910
I didn't dream up hail Apple
until after I did that

2767
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:08,790
interview. It's too bad. It's
too I went to the Apple store

2768
02:38:08,820 --> 02:38:11,040
locally here though. And I got
recognized by two or three of

2769
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:14,910
these Apple guys, and I brought
up the hail apple. Did they like

2770
02:38:14,910 --> 02:38:16,110
it? They didn't get it?

2771
02:38:17,790 --> 02:38:19,290
Well, I'll say hail apple. John.
I've

2772
02:38:19,290 --> 02:38:23,190
raised my arm. Hail Apple to
you. Coming to you from the

2773
02:38:23,190 --> 02:38:26,550
crackpot condo here in FEMA
Region six in downtown Austin,

2774
02:38:26,550 --> 02:38:28,410
Texas in the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam curry

2775
02:38:28,470 --> 02:38:31,980
and from Northern Silicon
Valley, where I remain I'm John

2776
02:38:31,980 --> 02:38:33,060
C. Dvorak. We'll be

2777
02:38:33,060 --> 02:38:37,470
back with the interview show
next week on 737 Adios mofos