We're in trouble. I expect help from the chat room. Adam curry,
John C. Dvorak
is Thursday, May 22 2014. It's time for your gizmo nation media
assassination episode 619. This is no agenda. Podcasting from
tomorrow for the last time in the hot pocket. Wasabi tour love
hotel in the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry
and podcasting from the past. In Detroit, Michigan. I'm John C.
Dvorak.
Buzzkill. That's right. This is the only podcast that is
broadcasting on two different days simultaneously.
Yeah, in the future and in the present are actually the past
mess right? I am not I'm actually in a town called the
Ypsilanti which is known by the locals as yips.
Yeah Ypsilanti.
Yeah, which is just outside of Ann Arbour.
Okay, so, I'm in still in Tokyo, Japan, this is the last last
night we will be here it is 12:12am And after the show and
the post production everything will go to bed for a few hours
and then we will leave for Narita airport to fly back to to
the Travis heights hideout. John is in outside and arbour
Michigan, you said
yeah. Between Ann Arbour and Detroit. And it's a very
interesting experience being around here. And I'm sitting on
their muzzle mentioned this I want to thank merit networks.
For I'm actually sitting on a on a fibre you owe me maybe the
biggest in Michigan. It's an ad essentially on disconnection.
I'm 100 up and 100 down
your connection right now between the two of us is not the
problem. No, I I've had other issues just to get all this
start. It's not about are you in a hotel room or you weren't so
I told that I was I gave a speech to the to this group
which is a fantastic operation I might add they essentially
did the check clear. Yeah, fantastic operation Yes. Great.
Fantastic operation. So they anyway, they I asked him the I
was at we ran meet up and we're having another no agenda meet up
tonight. Oh, great. Anyone who's listening into Michigan area,
and I think it's gonna be at the rusty bucket in Plymouth at
around 737 to 7030. Okay. Anyway, it's kind of a little
business are starting to email everybody. I'm sure they're not
listening. Why just pick up the show on Saturday,
we just hop into the, in fact, I got an email from from one of
our producers here. It's like, Hey, I hope you're here. You're
in Tokyo. I can't wait to meet you. Are you doing a meet up?
Like okay, yeah, he says no, I'm I'm a few shows behind. See,
this is exactly. This is exactly what happens.
I know I did. We just tell people not to think about it.
But that's what's going to happen. When I get back to
California, we get a bunch of people saying that they wanted
to meet up. Anyway. So I met I'm actually in a boardroom where
they dropped me a where I got an Ethernet direct connection. So
but the problem is, is boardroom is in the where they're having a
conference, and attend the conference. They have these
meeting rooms all around me. And every time it lets out about
once every hour, it's just it's a cacophony of people yakking in
the hall and it may come through on the show
isn't one of those glass conference rooms where everyone
sees you sitting there?
Not just close. All right, and but I have to say I've been to a
lot of different events, but this thing that these guys do
now tell me exactly what is this event what? There's just a
message. It's like a mute. I don't even know what they call
it. They get but they have different names for each day.
But Merritt net Oryx puts on this event for its members,
which are mostly school districts. And it turns out that
Michigan has apparently 1000s of of school districts and lots of
schools and lots of colleges more than you think. I mean,
right in the area, right and just outside of this town is I'm
driving to Ann Arbour on a back row, and I say, Oh, there's the
big giant University of Michigan Stadium which is in Ann Arbour.
And but it wasn't it was the Eastern Michigan University
Eastern Michigan Stadium and there's just like school after
school that I've never heard of. Whatever the case i Although
I've heard of Eastern Michigan is they haven't they haven't
they bring all these guys in to discuss current security issues,
internet,
cyber, cyber John, are you doing? Are you doing a Cyber
Conference?
And the most interesting guy so far has been this is guys this
guy hauled him in from University of Michigan who
apparently University of Michigan has something going on
in the computer science department called the censorship
resistance movement. And they spent a lot of time dreaming up
kind of screwball protocols and things that you can use to
bypass censorship mechanisms around the world. And they've
got to keep experimenting with these things. And they've got
one now they think works
isn't the main thing proxies? And
yeah, but the Yeah, but the problem is the Chinese. Like, if
you get a proxy, you say, You're a proxy guy in China, you got a
proxy using a proxy in China, the Chinese just shut down the
proxies, when you know, they find them first, of course, you
can get stuff,
you got to find them, it's, it seems to be easier than using a
proxy, from what I understand. I have spoken to a number of
people here, in fact, getting YouTube here, at times is very
problematic, particularly Russia today. The Chinese have the
Japanese and the Russians, they don't like each other. So you
can't get on. That's funny. Yeah. So whenever I've been
trying to look at some Russia Today stuff, very hard to get to
it. And then I flip on the proxy, and boom, I'm good to go.
Well, they have the technique, they're using his proxy lists on
the on the recipient side. So you don't use a proxy. You just
your your you have like this piece of code that is being
updated on our this is for extreme censorship, not that
it's casual Japanese stuff, you know, if you want to get into
Saudi Arabia, and they have it, so there's a tag in that header
that is very, it's encrypted, that doesn't really mean
anything. But when it's received by the ISP on the other side of
the ocean, right, it triggers a a Oh, okay. And it reroutes the
IP address of whatever it is you're looking for. And it comes
in with a different with a different IP address and
encrypted. So you can sneak stuff around. And so it's very
interesting.
And you are at this conference to tell everybody that the
internet as they know it is fucked and and nothing is going
to be good. Yeah, I got
a huge cheer.
This was your new speech. Right? Yeah. My
new speech. Yeah. Which says everything's bad. went over
well, and actually, then the people that were in the room I
did, sensually the speech condemned them all.
This always works. It always works. Yeah. No, they loved it.
Did you get any in the mornings? Any anyone there? Yeah, there's
actually quite a few
fans in the audience. Good, which I thought was interesting.
And not to mention the people that went went to the meetup.
Right. Of course, there's a group joining us some storage
when we have a donation from one of them that resulted in a very
funny story. Oh, good. But just generally speaking, this area,
Detroit, I recommend people visit it just to go driving
around because Detroit is the weirdest place I've ever seen is
impossible to catch in in with just simple pictures, you
actually have to experience it. It is a desolation of some sort
that the downtown's fine because they've you know, essentially
torn down everything that's bad. And then they've rebuilt most of
it. And they've got a lot of cool stuff there. But the
outskirts. It's not even really the outskirts, but just outside
of the centre of town. And then further and further out. It's
the weirdest thing because you could look at it and I have a
lot, I would take a lot of pictures. In a there's a form
called ruination photography, which is apparently a member of
now. You go around and you see these just huge, beautiful
apartment buildings that were built in, like 1915, or 1925,
that kind of era stuff. And it's just abandoned and just banded.
It's just like, there's nothing there is in
the end. These are the buildings that you can buy for a buck as
long as you pay the taxes and fix it up. Or
turns out that buying this stuff for a buck is easier said than
done. But yeah, these are the kinds of buildings but then
again, you then you're screwed on some other basis because of
the back taxes, because and I talked to some people to
yesterday about this as I was touring one of the areas, and
about the real key to success to fix to fix all this is that the
banks, you have property and it's sitting there, somebody's
got to pay property tax. Right. And if it Yeah, exactly. If the
banks had to pay the property tax, because they now own it,
because people walked from the deal, because they just left the
place and embedded. But the banks aren't paying the taxes.
Because they've written you know, they've written themselves
out of the law. So they don't want to pay the taxes on this
property they accumulated
why not? I mean, they they own us, they rule us. We're just
that our slave masters, why would they have to pay taxes?
That makes no
sense. make sense to me? That would
be crazy. And Jamie Dimon, wasn't he just in in Detroit?
With $100 million investment probably buying up some some
property?
Yeah, but it's probably going to be downtown. I don't think
they're buying up too much out the outskirts. Most of the
downtown is owned by pretty much one company. They also own the
Detroit Tigers and then they own a bunch of Bill Links and they
own a lot of the downtown. And you could make it guess who it
is, but you'd never guess. Little Caesars Pizza Pizza.
Pizza Pizza. The family that owns Little Caesars owns most of
downtown Detroit. Wow. Yeah. And they own the Tigers and the
Tiger Stadium if anybody likes baseball This is a one beautiful
place hits like they got giant Tiger statues out in front
growling at Yeah, it's just astonishing what a pretty park
that is. When anyway, so I but so I've talked about this with
Mimi and some of the locals about the feeling you get when
you're in these areas that are just literally abandoned.
It's a bit like a bit like the Ninth Ward postscript Katrina
idea maybe
you know, the Ninth Ward is more of them is more of a disaster
area. There's three kinds of things there's the disaster and
I've been to the Ninth Ward after the disaster
as is our way on the on the Hot Pockets tour. Right and
you go through there and you see all this and you see you know
people trying to catch you know, they're trying to rebuild. This
is different. And this is you know, they like to call it
blight but this isn't blight. Blight is also different. Blight
is an area that's just crap and people are living there. This is
like a ghost town. It's got this ghost town feeling. There's
nobody around in many of these places. And if there are they're
just stragglers who yell at you if they see you taking pictures.
But it's like being in a ghost town.
Hey, you you white privilege man you get off my lawn
pretty much and it but if you had but this ghost town idea is
you know if you go to modern ghost or some of the newer ghost
towns that have been completely abandoned, always one or two
people living there still. And that's kind of like the way this
isn't some parts of his town. And it but his ghost town not
Blyton is just like it's weirdly pathetic and creepy. And you
keep thinking to yourself, what other places could could this
happen to? Because a population
Travis heights Austin, Texas,
I'm thinking the same thing. New York City would be the best. But
if you take a city that went for I think there's like 2.2 million
people here. And then when everyone abandoned the city,
you're and it took a little while it wasn't overnight it
began. I thought it began in the 60s with the riots. But I now
I'm looking at the I went to the Packard factory yesterday to
look to Dyson
as in as in the old car Packard. Yes. They're nice.
It's a massive course it's completely gutted in its in
ruins and recode on fire me. But the thing is, a mile by a mile
is a giant mess. And I have a movie, I'll post on it. And that
closed in 1958 It started to decay. And that's when it all
began when they started abandoning these car factories
and the Packard factory may be the initial. So it took this
long to get where it is, which means it's not going to reverse
that fast. It has to be rebuilt from scratch essentially the
whole area. So it's so it's a long process it seems to me to
get to this this abandonment and I think I think it could happen
in San Francisco. I think it could happen in Chicago. Cool.
Cool. I you'll be there to report on everything that takes
place. Yeah, exactly. Love it.
But once you get outside and go back into the Ann Arbour places
like datamine, so it's fine. But How about
how about Christ or he I used to have Chrysler as a as a client
back in the 90s. And we built we actually built one of those
first dealer network kind of websites and was called I think
we had a name for it, of course, like web mechanic or something.
It was it was a dealer. It was one of the really the first
dealer locators and then the Mopar parts and all this and we
would go to, to headquarters. And it was, you know, it was
kind of at that point, even in the 90s, mid 90s. You know,
things were dire in Detroit. But the headquarters was one of
those glass buildings and they had all the really big like Star
Trek chairs everywhere. A really old school, Motor City, if you
will, you know what I mean? It was a building that that fits
that bill is the General Motors Building, which is still
downtown Detroit, and it's beautiful. Right? And, and it's
huge. It's a big, big building says General Motors in the top,
and all the factories that still make cars or at least pieced
them together from parts made in Mexico, are still in the
outskirts of town. I mean, Lansing and Detroit and places
like that are not Detroit but Dearborn. But Detroit itself,
which did I guess have the packer factory and a couple
other and there's a lot of industrial, industrial. I mean,
I don't even know what these places are there. I ran into one
a couple of days ago. It's huge. Again, mile long facility that
is just all bricks, they made these things out of bricks, it's
just it's like a it's like if you've been to the mill area in
New Hampshire where they all these abandoned Mills because it
was a big production facility, their production facilities
there for making clothes and things and material. And they
they're just all abandoned. This is the same thing on steroids.
These things, these buildings are massive. And then it just,
it's weird. I'd recommend people come out. So
essentially, you're kind of living in Atlas Shrugged is what
you're saying
by iron Rand. Yeah. Essentially, it's definitely it's a trip, I
have to say I would if anyone has, if you're a photographer,
you just dream come true. If you like,
Nikki, hear it? Don't let Mickey hear it.
Oh, she'd love it. She would go crazy taking pictures. So
I gotta tell you, we went crazy tonight, here in Tokyo. And I
don't think that this was around last when you were last in
Tokyo. Many people have told me about it. But we went to the
robot bar. Okay, are you familiar with this? No, no. And
I definitely did not see that. Oh,
man. This is one of these days, kind of, in a way. It's like
what you're describing with the buildings where it doesn't
really translate in a photograph kind of like how the, the Grand
Canyon doesn't translate the robot bar, you have to think
it's a it's a cross between first of all, if you're on acid,
just an I don't know if you've ever done acid, I think you
might have but you wouldn't admit to it. But and I've never
done it. But I've done DMT Some say it's close to that. So it's
an acid trip. And it's like you're in Vegas. But it the it's
a show. And the show is Russia's opening of the Winter Olympics.
With robots
and hot chicks. That would be very hard to imagine.
Just Just Google robot bar Tokyo so you can see some pictures.
And of course, Sir Mark and de mastered took us even edit. And
these people they had been so nice and so gracious as hosts,
besides day master letting us have her pet hair. You know,
they have a big pitch tomorrow and like, oh, no, we're gonna
take it, we gotta go to the robot bar. And it was the most
bizarre experience, either makiya. And of course. You know,
they have audience participation and they got like robots boxing
and stuff. And as we're coming in, the guy at the door goes,
Ah, you want to you want to fight robot. And oh, pretty,
pretty tall go on to fight robot. And Nikki saying I don't
want I want to know I don't want to do and? And I do. Yes, you
do. Yes, you do. And Mark and I are like yeah, she does. And we
got the best seats, of course. Because you know, you get like
your seat number 100 to the right in the right in the middle
perfect positioning. But this is it was like really high
fidelity, really low tech. And it was it was a like a modern
day circus. Anyone who's been to the robot bar in Tokyo will know
what I'm talking about. I wish I could explain how it is how it
works and what it is. But it's unexplainable, other innocents
inexplicable really, other than it was just an insane
experience.
Looks like a party. I'm looking at the photos. It's
cool. It's an old and everything's gaffer tape and
plastic. But it looks super real. And it's just hard to
explain.
Yeah, well, that's the same kind of thing. You have to some of
these things are a lot of things around the world that you have
to actually go we're just got to do it. You got to do can't You
can't even virtual, you could take the Google you know, the
going Google Maps and then get Street View and drive around
Detroit. Yeah, you could see a lot of this stuff. But it's
still not the same. No, no, no, because there is a an atmosphere
that's hard to describe.
I couldn't I could imagine. But this is Wow, what an
international show we have here. John.
I'm well, and on top of that. So I met this event to listen to
these. This is one of the best events I've ever been to because
the speakers are so interesting, including the year the guy this
morning from the EU going on about the Council of Europe and
all this bull crap. It was unbelievable. Those are the guys
that really I think run the show that Council of Europe.
Well, that's the I think the European Council runs the show.
And then the Council of Europe, which is
the Council of Europe. Oh, no, that's the business association.
The Council of Europe is no, it's the human rights
organisation. Okay.
It's so confusing. Hey, by the way, by the way, everyone's
voting today. Yeah. Today the EU. parliamentary vote starts
and it goes it's a three day party. So everyone in Europe is
supposed to go out and vote. Good for them. Yeah, do whatever
you do. Don't vote for those right wing Nazi parties. No,
because what will happen like you campin freedom and party in
Holland and LePen in France don't vote for them. They're all
Neo Nazis
talking about Neo Nazis. So concurrent with the event I met
there is a law enforcement event. And it's all the whole
thing is focused on sobriety, home arrest and then they've got
all the tracking devices here and they're all everyone's good
pitching I went and chatted with these guys are all pitching
their device or their little ankle it to the ankle bracelet.
They've all got so here's what I'm looking at this this press
release the Lindsay Lindsay Lohan jewellery. Yeah, sober
link SL two there's all these
silverlink SL two, we hear it soberly, I think that we have
the perfect device to deter your your, your customer from leaving
their area.
So well the silverlink SL two is the monitoring device. So it's
it's different than the ankle bracelet. This is the rugged one
piece mobile alcohol monitoring device that measures breath
alcohol content by collecting deep lung breath samples. Yes,
I'm I'm looking at their webpage right now.
This is interesting. Listen to this. The SL two incorporates an
adaptive facial recognition. evidentiary grade fuel cell
technology and multiple acquisition technology to ensure
the client is accurately lie in a fight and tested below. Rely
on tests are properly reported to the central monitoring
computer system via cellular connection. So essentially, you
gotta be breathing into this thing
all day. This is red has a little webcam. It has this
because they don't want like if I'm too drunk, and I'm supposed
to be breathing this thing. I can't give it to you to breathe
into. Yeah. So that's why you need the facial recognition. Now
you could use one of those masks, picture yourself.
It has tempered detection sensors, high resolution camera,
D O T grade fuel cell nice and a little tube, a little tube to
blow. Although if you brush your teeth and you use mouthwash,
apparently these things get set off.
Oh, yeah, you can't do that. You have to have bad breath to be
one of my friends. I'm reliably informed. This is a very is a
hideous thing. And it's an it runs on Verizon.
There you go. Which means you got to pay that bill to Oh,
yeah. Oh, yeah. No, you have to pay rental for the device. You
have to pay for the service, the monthly service. You have to pay
for the thing to be installed. Oh, yeah. No, it's a it's run by
Mothers Against Drunk Driving.
So I've gone through, there's a bunch of these booths, and they
have all kinds of different things. And of course, I took
pins from everybody. There's one product called the atom, which I
got to pan I'm sending it to you how cool. It says Adam on an on
it. It's the automated detection and monitoring or something.
Yeah, of course,
they'd have an acronym for me, wouldn't they?
Yeah, of course. So I'm going to each one of these booths. That
self driving cars gonna put you guys out of business?
Oh, well, you know, it's funny you say that I was I was in the
show notes, which is a little discombobulated today, there was
see if I can find this really good story about the self
driving car and the story. I have. I'm sceptical about the
self driving car business anyway. But when you think about
how much money municipalities and cities and states make on
traffic violations,
yeah, no, they're done. They're all the cities are done. Yeah.
And
this Google, the Google car apparently has now driven
700,000 miles without a single traffic violation. Yeah, well,
yeah, no traffic cops. Yeah, well, this will never happen. So
this little this thing will never get its permission is not
going to happen. No way.
Well, there's that you can make that argument because that would
be exactly what I if I was in the city, I would not allow the
cars to exist. There was
a Slashdot story here it is. I gotta get driverless cars could
cripple law enforcement budgets.
Yeah, great. They should yeah, most cops they don't do policing
they just give you traffic tickets. There would be no
traffic tickets there would be no traffic police there'd be no
any it all this stuff would be gone the infrastructure the
whole thing. And
now if you if you want to drive by if you want to drive by the
hookers, how does that work? You programme it into the doesn't
know how to slow down and do the cruise?
I don't know. That's a good question. We have to figure that
out. Or how about just cruising for gay boys. I mean, does it
have a cruise mode? Well, you
could stop Yeah, you could say stop. Stop.
Stop. Stop. Okay, Google. Stop. Oh, oh my god. Two days ago, we
were in the Takeshita Street, which is where all the Japanese
schoolgirls out now three days
ago. Well, the Jackie's hanging out there for some reason. Oh,
Mickey
wanted to take pictures. And by the way, when you read the name
the sign it looks like take shit uh, but anyway, that's just me.
And there are not a lot of guising like foreigners. In
Tokyo, we kind of stick out and if you see someone else who's to
pitch you do clearly not Japanese they stick and there
were these this woman and man boy and girl, probably mid, mid
30s Maybe. And he was a glass hole with a blue powder blue.
Google Glass and they were just kind of hanging out. And we
walked past them and of green Of course, Mickey now like glatzel.
And then they showed up in the robot bar tonight. All dressed
up
themselves. That's so that's, yeah, that's Japanese
intelligence. They're following
alright. No, no, but they're not. They're American.
I think, oh, CIA's following Yes. No, I
think it's like Vice magazine or doing some kind of some kind of
documentary, Japan through glass or some bullcrap. Like, I could
just smell them. That was the they were up to no good. That
didn't like didn't like it at all. Hey, can I give you a few
last Japanese impressions before board impressions of Japan? I
should say. Some things that I've noticed within things that
happened before we move on to other matters. Yeah, the
pressing matters. Yes. First of all, Paul McCartney was supposed
to perform here. Yeah. And he first he delayed his he was
supposed to do two nights he delayed one and that he wound up
cancelling the two gigs because he had the norovirus.
The neuro Yeah, yeah. But Nora only last two days. There's no
reason to do that. But okay,
well, he showed up last minute and you know, there's no not
like the the Rolling Stones who show up 10 days ahead of time
and get acclimated.
He showed up last minute got sick and on the day of the
event. Yeah, was it I can't do it exactly. Poor. I've had Noro
actually everyone that most people have had it. It's a poop
it out. It's pooping and puke. And it says miserable and it
lasts about two days max.
But then we feel Paul McCartney, why do you admit to that? I mean
anything but um, puking and poop and that's just not a good vibe
for. I didn't even want to think about the beetle pooping and
puking. Nanos, my arm you know, something, you got something
cool skateboard accident, anything skiing. Now, here's
here's something very annoying. We're we're here in Tokyo. And
of course, we're using Nikki's iPhone with Google Maps. And,
and Myka uses Google or I think maybe Apple my Google Maps. But
the same with Apple Maps. When you're using it in Tokyo, it
goes upside down. So unlike if we're driving in Texas, and you
know
and North is north and you're going are you going into
direction
going into Yes. You're going your heads up direction up right
direction and here is direction down and you can't change it
it's the wit you have to literally turn the phone upside
down.
Yeah, because you're not used to that but why
why is it doing it? Let's
speak some cultural thing. That's the way they've done no
because nonummy you think it would be sideways? Hey, John,
good one.
Astrid has a daughter. She's She was also complaining about it.
Yeah, no, I have the same thing on my on my maps. And it's all
her friends. These kids are kids these kids know this. Hey, and I
got I got the new the cool hip kid app. But all the kids are
using his line from line Lyle, why any L I N E. That's what all
the cool kids are using here. That's instead of instead
of if you wanted a line, is that what you're doing?
Instead of WhatsApp they use line. Okay, and well pay
attention. This is this will be the next thing that someone will
buy for $10 billion if all the Asians are on it, and of course
I instal it and immediately everybody in my contacts gets
line by line. Yeah. I did a ham contact. I took the the KX three
my mobile rig which I had got, we went to Akihabara I think I
told you about that we went to the to get my little my
connector that I left at home. And then I took the the rig into
the park strung up an antenna half over some. I was kind of in
the corner of the of the part of the Emperess park and I was
doing this CW contact I got a que eso going with Japanese ham.
It was very confused. So I'm just using my us call He's like,
I can't believe how strong your signal is. And, and I was kind
of sitting on the ledge and technology was sitting on the
ledge, and a cop and the cop comes over. And he's like, oh,
like, oh, man, I'm busted because of course, I don't have
you know, I didn't get the paperwork. To do this stuff
efficiently. You have to fill out paperwork six months in
advance to get signed mission. Oh, yeah. It's not in every
country, but in Japan. You do. Okay. Yeah. And but he comes
over. I'm busted. Didn't go. Right. Right, right. I was
sitting I was disrespectful. from Mississippi sitting. He
didn't, he didn't mind the wire strung from a monument into the
tree transmitting illegally. But it was the sitting that was a
problem. Okay, that's fine.
What happened?
Know that and I stood up and he said, Okay.
You were sitting with somebody we're supposed to be sitting on
what's
not allowed to sit? You're not It's not allowed. I was sitting
on a little kind of the edge of the park on a ledge. Oh, yeah.
You can't sit and it was disrespectful. Yeah. Which
Which, by the way of drinking and or eating and walking is
also considered wrong and not good. You can't walk in? Well,
you can. Well, you people. frown. It's frowned upon. Yeah,
because like, what you can't just sit and enjoy your meal. So
I assume that loud cell phone calls are frowned upon.
I have yet to hear a loud cell phone call. Here in Japan.
Everybody's walking. First of all, you walk on the street, and
we just been walking around everywhere. The Japanese I have
to say pretty much are zombies. When you know, they just walk
and they even kind of walk with a kind of a Frankenstein type.
If you ever notice how the Japanese walk like a like Adam
curry.com Seriously, they it's kind of like they're falling
forward. Like they're shuffling their feet a little bit. They
have this zombie Walker, you know what I'm talking about?
Yeah,
actually, they do drag their feet in a funny way in in a very
Japanese like manner.
And I don't know what that is. And then they kind of just stare
and now that the the school girls are, you know, they're
giggly and stuff. That's what school girls do. But in general,
people just zombified. And this is also a if you want to know
why we're behind. Now, of course, I've gotten the dough a
little bit of the business community here through mark and
Astrid are BB super uber producers. Vikon vi Countess.
His people working 12 to 10 at night, midnight. It's normal
here. Again, no decisions, they work their ass off. You can't
compete with this. These people don't care. Like oh,
you know, I've had so many people that have lived there for
a long time. Tell me that this? Because I noticed that too. And
I was over there. There. They never go home. And in fact, in
some neighbourhoods outside of Tokyo pull up you show up at
home first in the neighbourhood. Yeah. And I was told by some
guys, just there all attempts at this is bullcrap. He says most
of the guys there they Yeah, they stay at work for a long
time. And then they go, they don't go clubbing. But they go
out to dinner with their buddies and they hang out and they
drink. Yeah. And then they stay stay out as long as they can. So
they won't be that humiliated one that shows up at home too
soon. And they make sure they get on the get their cab or
whatever, go get their train, ride, pick up the train stop
working at midnight, and you have to cap it out to the
outskirts if you don't pay attention, but they all hit out
as late as they can. And it's the fact that they don't work
that hard. What's nice is that they work smarter than Americans
they and we and if you look at the productivity numbers, our
numbers are still higher because we actually do work hard. So I'm
not you know, this is a I think this is a myth.
Well there's there is a point now there is a point that it
takes three of them to one of us I have bike see that too. But I
can just see it, I can see that there's there's just a lack of
actual, they're putting the hours in, but I don't think the
productivity is there. It's just a generalised statement.
Everybody don't get all mad at me. It was just kind of a
general thing. Meanwhile, the country here is currently of
course running on liquid and on gas from Australia, as they are
still working on restoring power through nuclear power plants.
And here's something you might have known this. There is a
there are two different electricity networks in Japan.
And they they pretty much West and East if you if you would,
too. If you look at Japan as west and east, north, north
south, kind of but northeast Southwest, and right around the
middle point there. is there's a divide. And there was when we
when the Fukushima hit, there was plenty of electricity and
power available in the south, but they literally could not
send it up north. Do you know why? No cop? I'm so happy to
know this one. There are two networks that the one in the in
the north
is because one is one tan and the other is two, no,
no one is 60 hertz, Bill and no one is 50. So the 60 hertz
network was built by GE. And the 50 hertz network was built by
AEG by the Germans. And so they can't convert it.
Yeah, that's hard to convert.
You could it was not basically doing what you know, it's not
worth it. It's not worth it not worth it. How effed is that?
You know, I didn't know the answer that because I remember
when I was over there, and I was in some, you know, is there was
some situation with what can go, you know, converters to use, and
there was like this. I was reading about the two different
60s and 50s. And this and that, and I'm thinking this is weird.
What he's supposed to do, and I think Tokyo was 60, wasn't it?
Tokyo is 60. Yes, Tokyo is Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly the same as
the US and then Osaka is, is 50. And this this Tokyo Osaka
rivalry thing is very strange. And example, they have the 5060
cycles. Also, when you are in the subway in Tokyo, you stand
on the left so people can walk by on the right. In Osaka, you
stand on the right so people can walk by in the left. This is a
weird country, man. It's funny. And the economy economies is a
big pro. First of all, it's cheaper than Austin here. I have
now I've been here long enough to say cheaper than Austin and
no tipping. No tipping. I love this place. It's Vegas. You're
cheap. No, no, no, no, I'm not I'm I'm a very real I'm a good
tipper. I've always tip 20% But it's also because it's easy,
because I see annoyed by this. I don't know the Common Core, you
know, so but I just like 20% I can figure that out just times
two, and then divided by 10 or 100. Or whatever. 10. Yeah, I
got it. Here's your tip. Here, but here, it's it's beautiful.
You save so much money and also, you know, like you you don't
have the feeling that someone's looking at you like asshole
beating you to mean it. You know, none of that. None of
that. I love that concept. And it's really, really good. No
tipping. And it's man, I'm telling you, we're having a
meal, the two of us were 20 bucks. With with alcohol. No
way. Could you find that anywhere else in the US? It's
just no way not in the restaurant.
I mean, ever no one's ever made this accusation that Tokyo is
cheaper than Austin. But okay,
it currently with the no tipping it is cheaper than Austin. Of
course, the economy. The problem that they have is, well, there's
a lot of them. But everybody was kind of waiting to see if the if
they will get the Olympics, then they got the Olympics for 2020.
And then all the end, of course, I know a little bit about the
scene now. If they everyone start jacking up their prices
for buildings, and the no one has the money now. But there's
like this big standstill and stuff is not really happening.
But probably in the next couple of years. It'll really pick up
you've got to figure that the Olympics is going to be a huge
economic boom. And then what I've told you are night and day
in here, of course, what will happen is it will ruin the
country as it's intended to do.
Yeah, no every time. I think there's only one Olympics in
history that ever made money. And that was the one that Uber
off or whatever his name is did in LA I think
you're right that with Lionel Richie and the flying pianos
that was a good was,
and it was good. But the they already had the Coliseum. They
had all the facilities didn't build a bunch of new crap. I
said, Well, you lose your ass. And
they have the 1964 Olympic stadium here. But are we going
to? Oh, we can't reuse that. No, we're going to build a whole new
one. Oh, yeah. No, can't do that.
So So what's kind of new she getting over there? And what did
they have? What actually before we get into that I wanted to
talk about this. I do at that put, I put this clip I grabbed
this clip, this old clip, because you were talking about
the thing about the shopping malls. And what was it again?
What do you mean? What do you mean? There was there was they
were doing I said I had that I had the tape of the exercises
going on the shopping malls because they were doing one of
the agencies was worried about shopping malls or something like
that. Yeah, yeah, us you don't remember.
I remember that. But I don't remember what I said about it.
But that's what I was wondering if you could remember what you
said I don't I otherwise, yeah, whatever. John shopping mall?
Yeah. Okay.
Well, the reason I said I've got a clip that's perfect, but I
don't have the I don't have it. I didn't send it this week. But
now that you don't remember what you were talking about, the clip
has less meaning. But it was about something about shopping
malls, and I had this clip that I wanted to play. Well, maybe if
we play the clip, I'll remember. Okay, well, here's the clip.
This is the Hayward mall, exercise.
And this is a drill for terrorists, I presume to drill
for who knows what, of course, terror terrorists, you'll get to
who knows what apart when you hear the kicker
pull in Hayward? Don't panic. It's only a drill, a drill that
Kristen says involves a lot of guys running around with guns,
Kristen. Yeah, that's right. FBI agents asking people in Hayward
to stay away from Southland mall tonight. And you can see why all
those emergency vehicles, ambulances behind me SWAT
vehicles. This is as you said, just a drill inside the mall,
law enforcement, mall security, firefighters and paramedics all
practising what to do in the event of a terror attack or a
mall shooting, there will be actors and role players and
these guys will be out here at least until three in the morning
running through these scenarios. FBI agents telling us tonight
it's pretty rare that all of these agencies get to come
together and coordinate something like this. And what
they are actually doing inside is top secret.
Okay, I still don't remember what it was. But it was top
secret, but it does tie in it does tie into something else.
I think they're rehearsing. Yeah, this is actors and
players. And oh, no, they're, they're rehearsing rehearsing.
Yeah,
I can tell you exactly what form because so there's two types of
news I've been receiving. One is local Asian news. For instance,
I only heard about Solange Knowles yesterday. I didn't know
anything about this elevator seriously until yesterday. And
I'm not a disconnected guy. I mean, I'm clearly not reading
TMZ. But so there's all this other stuff that I am aware of.
But there's also just CNN. They they are so good with
propagating whatever formula is brought out. And there is this.
So it's clear. We need the we we've messed up everything.
Ukraine has messed up by the way. They're they're going to be
voting on the 25th. So that's just a couple of days away.
Syria is severely messed up. And the whole idea was we were
supposed to stop that pipeline. The the Islamic pipeline is is
known. The Iran Iraq, Syria pipeline, and, and help are
buddies. They're from Qatar and had the pipeline move up from
Qatar into Turkey. So he messed all that up. So clearly, and now
the Assad regime is kicking everybody out. And then all the
al Qaeda fighters, you know, they're getting on buses and
leaving, because not working on the bus in the Maori is. So we
need to go we need to take some serious stuff. We gotta bomb
this place. We got to move in. We got to do it. So we need to
create a new narrative. And the narrative is safe haven in
Syria. This is it. The new one the safe haven in Syria,
in Syria amid the fighting al Qaeda is planting its flag
leading to a dire warning from the director of the FBI about
the rise of al Qaeda affiliates.
This was the beauty of the Comey, the former HSBC banker
who became FBI director. So it could help you know, the
laundering of all the money. He was testifying about the FBI in
the Senate for good, almost a good two hours. So just gems of
clips coming out of this guy's piehole
its progeny in throughout the Middle East and Africa, are
virulent and bent on doing great harm to Americans abroad and
here at home.
virulent,
virulent, doing great harm to Americans abroad and here at
home standby wait for it. Get ready for your mommy says one of
the most virulent threats of virulent again is a meme. Yeah,
well that's not the virulent it's the safe haven it's the
safe area
and opportunity that is attracting droves of
droves of jihad ease What is it drove how many in a drove John
It depends what kind of drove or China's cattle it's got to be
we should I think we should evaluate how we just hold on a
sec I need to know this how many units in a drove let's see, I'm
using Duck Duck go by the way which I'm finding quite
ugly my opinion on this. Duck Duck go is great because you
know they don't Keep all your searches and all the rest of it.
But then it it, it it, it puts some code in your browser. So
Duck Duck go shows up in moments when you're using Google, it
shows us Duck Duck go, it's annoying.
They have they have the Duck Duck go next, they have a new,
they're like a beta search engine, and was very easy to
configure Firefox to use it. And so I'm kind of evaluating it.
And I'm, at least I'm not being tracked by Google. Okay, how
many units in a drove while I Well, DuckDuckGo fails?
Well, here I'm looking at the definition, essentially, large
group of people or animals that move or act together. It doesn't
say
he's calling them animals. How racist is that?
To come to Syria, to learn new things, build new relationships.
Apparently, there's a tinder app in Syria where you can
learn new things. Hey, we're having a conference and there's
going to be a webinar by webinar who sings
new things on the webinar, and we make new contacts. Hey,
what's up? Hey, can you see these guys
exchanged some cards? Social meeting,
he's got a name tag. Hi, my name is Mohammed Ahmed.
Come to Syria, to learn new things, building relationships,
and then most dangerously evolved at some point to flow
out of Syria, there will be a terrorist diaspora out of Syria.
Guys loaded with there will be a terrorist
diaspora
in law enforcement, national security and the intelligence
community are determined not to allow lines to be drawn between
an outflow from Syria and future nine elevens. Future nine
elevens
future 911 future nine
elevens that's that's really pouring it on pretty thick when
you're doing future 911.
The US estimate 70 or more Americans have gone to Syria to
fight. Nobody knows how many are back in the US. Comey joins
wouldn't the Customs and Border Patrol know
you think they would know when they come in? Why don't they
know? Well, let me let me just stop for a second. What happens
when Mickey comes into the country? She gets detained?
Well, then they would do that with all these people for sure.
You would think
yes. I mean, unless they're sneaking in through Canada or
Mexico, which seems those borders are even harder. Yeah.
Many
are back in the US. Is it a miracle me joins a chorus of
national security officials.
A chorus of national security officials who all sang acapella
are increasingly
warning of the threat of an al Qaeda attack in the US by
fighters from Syria. Ah,
we're seeing now he parents of training complexes in Syria to
train people to go back to their countries.
Way Stopstopstop they find they know of training complexes in
Syria? Is that what he just said? Yes, this is just bomb it.
That's the point. You're catching on real quick, John.
That's the point. The whole idea is to go bomb
threat of an al Qaeda attack in the US by fighters from Syria.
We're seeing now the parents of training complexes in Syria to
train people to go back to their countries. And and, of course,
conduct more terrorist acts.
Now a new revelation
Oh, by you sitting down your fibre might overheat from the
new Revelation. John, the al Qaeda
presence in Syria. Do you agree with Director Clapper? Oh, hold
on a second stop again. Do you notice these are both the all
the douchebags and including that guy who Lindsey Graham.
Also McCain does the same thing. Yeah. And all these other guys.
They don't ask questions. They lead the witness three. Do you
agree? You agree? Do you agree? Do you agree? Do you agree?
Okay. Just pointing it out. While it was kind of good. Can
you do that again? Do you agree? Do you agree? Do you agree, obey
must obey. Obey.
And, of course, conduct more terrorist acts.
And now a new revelation.
The Al Qaeda presence in Syria. Do you agree with Director
Clapper that it represents a direct threat to the homeland
the al Qaeda safe haven in Syria? Yes. Okay. Do we have a
plan to deal with that? As a nation? Yes,
we're going to do training exercises in the Hayward Mall.
And we're good to go. The Safe Haven al Qaeda safe haven in
Syria now.
How is that even possible Assad hates those guys. How do you
create it? Does anything dominate Syria? This zero said
doesn't matter.
Well, of course it makes zero sense. But there's no analysis.
This is just being fed in by the true propaganda arm of, and
they're not the only ones of NPR, PBS, everybody's on board
with it and they don't even know half the time, that to live not
doing actual analysis, not thinking not just doing whatever
they're told and, and of course they're doing because they get a
job and they're happy to have a job. I don't care. There's no
risk is zero risk. They're not sleeping on futons and Tokyo.
Oh, they're there in the Grand Hyatt. I'm not complaining by
the way. No, you
have a nice little place. I'm
not complaining. I'm not complaining. Now. I need to play
one more. Because I got really I did. I did some crazy. I did
something crazy. Someone referenced something on CNN
again. And I went looked at the document to see if it was true.
It wasn't I can't believe I did this. I'm so stupid. What have
we heard consistently about the Sarnath brothers? The alleged
Boston bombers and their pressure cookers? Where did they
learn to create these pressure cooker bombs?
Well, I mean, they tried to I've watched a bunch of coverage of
this, and they've tried to reverse engineer it to push it
into that stupid magazine. Yes. But the magazine didn't print
the information until after the bombing. It was
even worse than that. It's even worse. And that was the cue and
it misfired. And we'll find out was it it was inspiration. No,
it's inspire mag Inspire.
And in some cases, some surprising details coming out in
this court filing I wanted to get your take on what you saw
terror experts in this document that you didn't know before that
may have surprised you Christmas
this is what is happening now is the FBI is who did not read
Dzhokhar shun if his Miranda rights under a under a precedent
which states if there is a imminent danger to the homeland,
you don't you can continue to question somebody without their
lawyer present without their or without reading them their
rights. And of course, because they had no idea how many more
bombs there would be, you know, so that they're trying to build
their case, which the whole thing is botched. We know that
this was maybe two operations that crossed lines it was
supposed to be a six week cycle, the bombs weren't supposed to go
off. There was also a drill taking place. It was completely
messed up. And now they have to cover their tracks cover their
ass. So they're doing everything they can and and now they have
to prove that there was there were real bombs. And these bombs
were created based upon the al Qaeda inspired inspire magazine
and al Qaeda operation, but that they were lone wolves and not
connected to our code. It's a mess, like
model car parts. Fireworks.
Well, okay, we actually did know a lot of this before. But what
this document shows is that United States Government
counterterrorism were concerned in the days after the Boston
bombings that these individuals, the brothers may be acting with
others because that device was relatively sophisticated and
tricky to put together. That's what they believed, possibly was
the case a year ago, but there's been a lot of investigation
since and no evidence now to suggest that they trained
overseas or were acting with others. Well, most of the bombs
they put together was from a recipe and inspire magazine,
which is a magazine put out by al Qaeda in the Arabian
Peninsula.
Okay. Now let me just say I went to find the this is based upon
the mega bomb in the kitchen of your mom from the 2010 edition
of Inspire magazine. And although they do indeed mention
a nine volt battery with Christmas lights as the ignition
device, they specifically do not mention at all anything about
fireworks. In fact, quite the opposite using matchstick heads.
And here's the one here's the thing that really blew me away.
Not a single mention of a pressure cooker. Yeah, only a
pipe
as a pipe bomb
was one bit of the bomb, which was different, which was a toy
car remote detonating mechanism. And that's actually something
that would be the smallest difference. The fact that it
was, I don't know not a pipe is
quite tricky to put together. So there's been some speculation
from experts that they may have need some sort of tuition to do
that, but it wouldn't be something impossible for them to
do. We've got to we've got to push this through. Why not? When
and how could they have come from the outside in the back
pull this
off without me some kind of Training Training Training
for purely homegrown terrorists these sorts of devices
homegrown from this safe harbour what was it? safe haven in
Syria? This is where it's going. We're going to I hate to say
ladies and gentlemen, they're going to light something off in
America that now we need to have a boom it's sad and sad and
what she hears I hear I think there's a problem here with the
agencies and how they're you know, battling and all the rest
of it. It between each other and the FBI has to have their six
week thing going on. I think there was a I think they've had
meetings that must have had meetings where they were they
went like this, the NSA with his big budget. Wait a minute, why
didn't let's do the meeting? Okay, all right. You I'll be the
the NSA guy, you're the FBI guy and you're hell bent on doing
something big.
Okay, are we at my place or your place?
We're at a cafe as usual place we're not You're not coming over
to our place and look around. Hey, how you doing man? Hey, a
curry.
What's up Devorah What's up we're
a little bit we're getting a bit concerned about a couple of
things that you guys have worked on recently they
Hey easy easy easy we got good guy we got budgets to take care
of here you know we got stuff that we got to do we got to
stop here's the deal what this last event especially the Boston
bombing thing It makes us look like idiots
But hold on a second this was this was not our this was not
our fault we had everything there was no one who was
supposed to light anything off we were good to go on this
you know that Japanese boy toy been hanging around with and
exchanging emails with you know, you want that to get out. You
guys have better stop doing these things because we have to
our job is to prevent anything from happening because we're
plugged in to everything it looks like we're a bunch of
boneheads if you blow something up again. So unless you want to
get blown up by us, quite a bit of startup,
wait a minute, why are you blackmailing me? You telling me
you got pictures of me and my boy?
Yeah, videos, dude.
I knew I shouldn't have accepted that teddy bear. Anyway, that's
okay. No. Okay, so you so you're saying that they will not slide
something off because they're being blackmailed by the NSA.
I think they can't light something off because if they
do, it's going to ruin the NSA is game of spying on everybody.
Now there is a moment I think there is an opportunity, a
window of opportunity, because I'm listening to Hayden at some
of these guys. And it was a really good thing that you
missed. Because you were in Japan, but there were two parts
of the United States of secrecy on
Oh, no. I haven't downloaded for the plane ride back. Yeah.
You'll you'll enjoy. The second part is a potboiler. They
actually the first part is good. The second part is like It's
like one of these things where they put I think it was an hour
and a half the first part and a bias by
the way Divorce Act of work. You may want to you may not want to
sit there get in the hot tub with the cover on. Just letting
you know.
Yeah. Well, we got more money than you do. That's so the thing
is, is you have you had the first part, which is the long
episode and then they did a second one, which I think was an
hour and they ran out of material about
15 minutes into it. Okay, yeah, hate it. Okay, whatever. And
then the music bits get longer with no
narration. Yeah. And so Hayden is, you know, discussing
something that long,
long drawn shots of empty wet streets and alleyways.
Those are the heinous in there. And so he's so I'm thinking that
this possibility for June 15 the next opportunity for an event is
because because Hayden pulled the union, the best part of the
second thing is hate and pull the old cowboy analogy. He says,
Well, you know, and it's essentially from a cowboy movie,
the cowboy and he doesn't say it's from a cowboy movie. He
says it some other way. But it's from a cowboy movie. It's an old
melodrama theme and it goes like this. The town's out of control
people are killing each other to tough Sheriff comes into town,
cleans up the mess shoots other bad guys. And then you know, now
he's the sheriff. And and
he's standing against the screw Miss Elia above the saloon.
But he knows what happens is he gets run out of town, because
he's too strict. Ah, gotcha. We don't need you anymore. So you
think well, why are we paying this guy? Everything's cleared
up. Yeah. And then they fire him because they don't need him
anymore. So he gets screwed out of the deal. And this is
essentially what Hayden saying is happening to the NSA. They've
protected us from all this stuff. And now that data and now
they're gonna they want us to cut back and we're gonna, you
know, some bad's gonna happen is the great scare the public
tactic, Joe, I think there's a slight window that the NSA and
the FBI can be together on and have something horrible happen
and and then blame it on Snowden.
Haha well Snowden is is is he's a marked man. There is no doubt
about it. In fact, I've been against better judgement but you
know, I kind of had to I've been reading our our granary era,
Greenwald's book. And it very clearly states that as he was
vetting the legitimacy of Greenwald of the of Snowden that
he sent him his CIA badge number. Id let me repeat that.
See I A. That is NSA ID his CIA ID. Does anyone read these
books? CIA, this is our theory that this is an NSA CIA feud is
so right on this. It's so right on.
Yeah. And then of course, when they had the long interview with
Snowden it was never played in the United States. No, no, it
wasn't only in Germany. Yeah, it was played in Germany and and
once you watch it, he mentions it was a mission.
Yes, No, exactly. The mission. My mission is completed my
mission
so what do you mean mission?
Have wonder if I still have that clip? I might have it somewhere.
Yes, I have it here. Hold on a second. I just have to put this
I gotta say, I'm pretty. Pretty happy with my system here. Yeah.
You ended up in Russia. Many of the intelligence community
suspect you made a deal classified material
for scientists is the German interviewer here in Russia,
the chief of the task force investigating me as recently as
December said that their investigation had turned up no
evidence or indications at all that I had any outside help or
contact or made a deal of any kind to accomplish my mission I
worked
to accomplish my mission. Hello.
Now there was a funny thing that came up in that frontline piece
it was the apparently you know the guy who did the article in
the Washington Post at Barton Gellman yep Gelman is on there
and he says that he went to you know, I mean, we knew about this
I don't know if Mary was talking about it. But Gilman went to
Russia met with Snowden and did a 14 hour interview. Oh really?
says it in this documentary and I it shows he said it I thought
to myself Wow, where's that
and But wasn't it the way I understood it? The Washington
Post wanted nothing to do with it or they didn't they turn it
down. It doesn't really matter if it's something else. Let me
let me tell you let me tell you something else. So the briefing
is well this was this is so the Greg Greg Greenwald on RAF and
all the interception the first look and appear drive my car the
$250 million WordPress blog has now resulted in this stellar
News Daily reported
the National Security Agency had been intercepting and recording
nearly every cell phone call that had taken place in the
Bahamas and storing them for 30 days.
In the Bahamas, ladies and gentlemen, that is a
showstopper. Yeah, that's news. There you go. The Bahamas. The
Bahamas people. Come on, is that all you've got left?
Before we get started the show today? I'm reading I'm looking
at the tweets because I had to I wanted to tweet the show but I
can't tweet it on my regular computer. I have to do it on the
phone because I don't I can't you don't know your password.
Yeah, you donate but my phone right you have the Twitter thing
on there. So I just did a dare. So in there I saw those
Greenwald. He always likes to retweet anything in the world
about him as long as it's about him. Exactly. So he retweets
with some snide remark this Michael Kinsley review of his
book. Oh, and it's in the New York Times and I think when I
look Kinsley is probably a you know, he's a bold slate guys
kind of he's kind of a company man like, company man and a jerk
but I'm reading this is a great article.
It is gotta be read from you got something to share from it.
I had it see if I still have it on my little phone. The he's
just go goes after Greenwald. Let's see here. It is good. I
mean, he just goes after him with this nasty stuff. Let me
see if I can find that where it begins where it's really funny.
Reformers can be difficult people but they come in
different flavours and he goes out to the there are narcissists
like Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks. These are self
canonised, men who feel that as saints they're entitled to
ignore the rules that constrain ordinary ordinary mortals.
Greenwald notes indignity with indignity that Assange has been
criticised along the lines well, before he was accused of sex
crimes by two women and sweeten them into someone in the way to
hold on their political romantics. Greenwald in his in
his mind he's not a reformer, but a ruthless revolutionary
Robespierre or Trotsky. Sen regime is corrupt through and
through and he is the man who will topple it. Sounding now
like Herbert Mark Houston is once fashionable theory of
Repressive Tolerance. Greenwald writes at the implicit bargain
is offered to citizens pose no challenge. It was on his
mission. Look at this a long piece by the way, I'll put
it in the show notes people. Yeah, definitely. And and
there's there's obviously something there is there as good
to what has come out of this. But Greenwald is he is such an
egomaniac. He CBC just he loves himself so much. So and so much
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Is that all you have left?
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And right and you had your example of the surgeon like
yeah, be what you don't want priority over your packets when
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Sharpton resist we much followed by Charlie Rose it's in your
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Do we have the Sharpton resist we much should I have no
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we resist we much. That's one where you just botched the whole
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I do have to I gotta put that in the system. Okay, I just don't
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pod comedy podcasts end up repeating some of the show.
Bullcrap means that mainstream media is cooked up and dished
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It's right now it's 1:26am. What do you think I'm doing here?
This is the one word that I read as a stoner. Ah, yeah. He wants
to creepy Charlie Rose sexualities.
Yeah. Okay. I don't know how that crept into the. Okay. Well,
all right. Well, thank you again, Spencer.
Talking about stone nations, Alicia and Scott in Ann Arbour
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Scott later today we're gonna go photographing the central he's
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Thank you so much cool. You've got karma keeping JCD busy. I
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So Danis crews in Beaverton, Oregon to Owens and he sent an
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No, don't dig it up for the second second reading. And that
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anyway. I'm gonna have to Well, if that's the case, things are
not well. Things are not going well for us. Okay. That's it.
That's it. Yeah, that's it. So we, we move on in the second
half with the other guys and I'll look up Cruz's email, see
if he's got anything in there. All right, well,
we I will be travelling tomorrow flying back. I fly back in time
and arrive the same day. Friday, which means we will have a
regular show on Sunday. But regular show, but nothing is and
I have a feeling that we're going to do more travelling.
Starting this year starting now. We hopefully will come back to
Japan. We have invites for Australia and for Singapore and
for Shanghai. And I think we should do it i People seem to
really like it when we're on the road. To the to the show I don't
think suffers greatly. We're still we were still able to
assassinate media, but it also gives an extra slant
and how we should plan a couple things every so often, I
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every two months, I think will be good.
Yeah, I think my next trip, I'll take a trip up to Chico,
California and check out the college there. And I'm going to
be going to, I'm also thinking of maybe taking a trip down to
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Yeah. No chance.
I wanted to add something to the packet inequality a conversation
we have we've we've pretty much beat this horse to death. Horse.
Yeah. Well, the there was something happened that that
gave me one more little piece of insight that I thought was
interesting to add. So we all understand what is going on. And
it happened after this week in law, which I never watch. But
everyone told me Oh, you got to watch this. You got to watch
this. This is part of the twit network. And Denise Howell is on
the show. Who I like as a person as a host. She's shit. And she's
a beautiful woman don't put the big headphones on her with a
microphone in front of her face. This is unnecessary. I noticed
since 2014
Yeah, what year are we in here? You can meet these cans as they
like to Oh big cans on her head and she's pretty You know, and
she's good looking woman.
And it's just it's distracting and I'm sure she's, she knows
her stuff when it comes to law and everything, but it just
didn't work for me. So she had one of my least favourite people
on Nilay Patel, who he was on my last this week and twit this
week in tech this week on twit this week in tech, when nine
Yeah, after I got kicked off for good band from the band from the
airwaves. Yeah. And he's annoying. He's a lawyer. But
he's one of these works with the verge. And all those guys over
there. They're all huffy, puffy, you know, they got venture
capital monies, they think they're all waiting until you
run out of that. So they think they're all though they'll do
that in the bag of chips. And he's on there pontificating
about net neutrality and the evil common, and he can't even
explain how the two Democrats have voted well below the
Democrats had to vote for they had to say yes, because the
three Democrats who say they had to vote yes. Because, you know,
it's like, it's not exactly what they want, either. Yes. It's not
exactly what ya know exactly what they want. But you know,
they have to get go. And somehow it's very hard time explaining
why you know, why they want this regulation.
Yeah, why did and why the two Democrats voted for it. The two
Republicans voted against. It has all the liberals like.
What? Exactly. And then they bring on this guy, Bert, Baron
Zoca. Baron Zoca. And he is from an outfit called Tech freedom, a
nonprofit. Oh, boy, you know how much I love that. Bow. Let me go
look into this nonprofit. But before I get to that, I'm just
going to play the very end. And I was very surprised because
Baron Zoca. Is he starts off by saying, Well, this net
neutrality debate is a hoax. Like yeah, that's good. Yeah.
All right. You got my attention. It's like this is a hoax. This
whole thing is a hoax. It just came out. And it didn't really
come out of nowhere. He actually put me onto a path to figure out
why this all happened. I just wanted to play at the very end
just so you can kind of hear how the conversation ended with
Nilay Patel, who was no match for this guy. I felt it Miss
Miss Mickey was listening to me while I was watching listen to
her while I was watching it on Monday or whatever. Or two. I
can't remember what day it was. It was finally I hear just some
people talking about something that was it was a very
interesting conversation. But here's how Neela thinks that
he's hung up and he's all pissed off, which the guy is, but he
didn't. And then you kind of hear what a bad sport Patel is.
And how this Baron zuka Zoca guy I like him. I like what he's
doing.
But we're not going to forget this show anytime soon. And I'm
not going to forget how grateful I am. That you were able to join
us today.
And Eli? Yeah, I enjoyed it. And Baron, I enjoyed the
conversation as heated as it might have become. It's a good
one. Yeah, me too. And really, really, really no, Baron still
here. I think, Baron, you're still here. Right?
Well, I have to say I don't enjoy this conversation. I would
rather have a conversation about how to promote broadband
deployment and how to actually write a new Telecom Act that
makes sense in the real world. I'm tired as you can probably
tell. I'm talking about imaginary problems and imaginary
legal authority for the FCC to solve them. Yeah, no, you're a
great guy. I gotta go. Talk to you soon. Thank you.
You're a great guy. Dose. Oh, total. That was.
That was That was funny. I liked hearing that. It was very funny.
Okay,
so. And I looked into this, this barren guys, outfit tech
freedom, very small nonprofit. They're doing about and I have
to say I couldn't find their 990s and I tweeted him and
someone got back to me. And they sent me the 2011 and said, Hey,
man, send me the 2000. They sent the 2012 they changed her name.
That's why it didn't show up in the regular places. And very
small. I mean, and it's it's being run out of a two room
condo in DC, which I'm going to think is is Barron's condo. And
they did like 380,000 in 2011 Did a little more in 2012. They
may have done a lot more but 500,000 And of course he's taken
a salary and so the money is not a lot of money, but it's a think
tank. And and although you don't know where the money's coming
from, if you look at his past, it seems pretty obvious. It's at
least coming from Google. You can you can because he actually
he tweeted me something I was going to ask you. He said are
our donations come from Big Tent. Are you familiar with this
phrase Big Tent.
I've heard that Nagi mentioned I've heard the phrase but I had
no idea what it means. Big Tent.
I couldn't quite figure out what he meant by Big Tent. And I
didn't want to seem like an idiot and say
hi. Did you have you googled it to see what Big Tent Yeah,
you get a whole bunch of weird stuff that Not really. There's,
there are lots of things called Big Tent anyway, it's pretty
clear that, you know, he's,
you should have just said what the? What is Big Tent?
I figured I'd ask you I thought I thought Daddy would know.
I didn't know. Exactly.
So also, and then I started looking and I think he's
probably he's legit in his thinking, although he is coming
from Google, but that it made a lot of sense. And I just wanted
to lay this out for you as a piece an extra piece of this
this because when he said hoax, I was like, Well, you know,
you're right, it is a hoax. Why did this thing all of a sudden
heat up and is being used primarily by outfits, like
freedom of the press, or press freedom, whatever it's called,
who have $3 million, by the way in annual revenues, as you know,
they're like, literally, if you look at their website, which is
home like you got to look at this. You'll laugh? I think it's
is it press freedom.org? Or freedom? It's sorry,
look, they've had that better prepared by depressed
foundation.
Yeah, is it freedom press.org
That'd be press freedom. foundation.org there is also
here we go. Freedom house.org
press freedom. foundation.org. Okay, I think now that may be
the now that's the wrong it doesn't matter. Sorry about
that.
Wait a minute. Let me look at the rest. It's
freedom. I think it's freedom press.
Freedom house.org
Freedom press. Let me just see. This is dumb.
newseum press. Well, here it is. Press this press freedom.org.au.
Now no, you don't want that. Well, I'm not kidding. Now. I'm
not. I'm just showed. Anyway, I tweeted out a link for it. For
Christ's sake. Sorry for taking the Lord's name in vain. But
there it goes to that guy in Pittsburgh again.
Let me just look at my own. My own guy just waits for that. And
then he said, I know and I was mad. He says
yeah, you know what? You took the Lord's name in vain, so I'm
not donating he's never donated. Yeah, okay, here this loads are
coming. Here it is louds in Michigan.
Here it is. I don't even know how anyway they have on their on
their homepage. Save the intranet. Donate now to us. This
is what everyone is doing. I get emails from don't let them slow
down the net.org. And you know, donate don't let them break the
internet and this wouldn't Eli Patel is also doing help unfuck
The Internet is what he writes a Come on. So what really happened
here, what really went down and this all stems from one thing.
And the one thing is the acquisition of Time Warner Cable
by Comcast. This is when this really started that predates
this. I disagree. It predates the Netflix issue. It predates
Netflix. Now check it out. Yes it does. The Comcast Time Warner
Cable announcement was more reason for no I don't think so.
I think so.
I don't think so.
I think so. But
okay, we can agree to disagree on that. Well, we
had to get the date straight timeline. Okay. Let's see.
reference to this is
but how do we even do that? How do we even find out do it
by writing and Time Warner Comcast and hit the News tab and
you should have the stories that came out when they first came
out. They're still going
on but how are you going to find out when it first came out?
Well, you just look for their first apparently here is the Ars
Technica made may 18. Okay, let's just keep looking for the
earliest date.
Okay, May 18. And then I'll look I have feud over Netflix traffic
may 19. May 18. May 20. Right seems okay. It seems to be
recent.
It almost doesn't matter for the show. For the for the for the
theory at least.
I buy eyeball Yeah, but it does if I don't buy it. If you don't
wait here it is here it is here. It is way this gets back
further. Here's may 8. Congress to hear concerns is when they
get into the congressional thing. So we got
the announcement came much earlier, John, the announcement
was was months ago. I think so. But I think they I the way I
remember it. We first had the Time Warner Comcast deal that
was announced that they were going to do that. This is a lot.
This is months. Go,
am I okay, okay, I will stop. I won't disagree. We'll look into
it. We'll look at it. You're you might you might be right. There
wasn't I remember there being an early announcement and had
everybody all jacked up in fact that God, I'm so jacked up, they
had a congressional hearing. So and then Frank and Frank, it
would know, because he's all over this thing. And I can SAS
call his office up, and they'll tell me, it's DeVore I could get
that guy's called another or you can call any of these offices
up. If you if you ask the when the all these congressional
offices, you don't try to get a hold of Franken, he's not going
to talk to you. But you used to say I like to talk to one of the
staffers who can answer a question.
Well, why don't we Why don't we look at isn't Comcast the isn't
that CMC t what is their signal? Oh, that's a good cmcsa I think
it is their signal. Oh, what is this signal? It's 1:42am. Okay,
finance,
that you're excused every time? It's a great excuse. You're
right, it wouldn't be listed in the it would go to Yahoo. Yahoo.
Finance? Yes. And they will have a listing of all the press
releases, and it will have that one date, they will have, you
will have to keep talking while like
if you go to the news. Well, now, it's kind of irrelevant
headlines. But see, it's got to be this is months ago. Anyway.
Okay. Here is the thesis. And I will do it in my timeline,
whether it's true or not, but I'm pretty sure that that came
first. And what really does it mean when they're buying Time
Warner, they're not buying a competitor. They're adding on to
their network that adding on to more as their
that is their basis, the basic argument. And
it's also true there. I don't think there are any markets
where Comcast and Time Warner compete. So they're essentially
just becoming bigger. They are becoming a what do you call it,
kind of the utility monopoly but utility
or utility utility, I should mention a couple of things,
because that's why I would have called frankenz office
apparently, during this congressional hearings, Comcast
made the claim that this will be good for the customers, because
now that they have these, these two operations, consolidate, you
know, crappy hear about this, again, consolidate this and
that, and it gives them bigger reach. And then they have, you
can pressure the companies to give better deals, so their
customers get better deals. So you're
what you're, but but from a shareholder standpoint,
you will let me finish. Okay. And so apparently, what frankenz
People did is they listened to the quarterly call, and in the
quarterly call is just the opposite what the guy said,
yeah, he says, This is gonna be great for us, we can make more
money we can get out you didn't say gouge the customer. There's
a lot of more leverage, and we can we will profit from this.
Now back to the original thesis that this Baron Ahsoka guys
called it a hoax, because it did come it came out of nowhere, but
it came from the Netflix controversy, so called
controversy. And so if you're if you really think about this for
a moment now, what the one thing Comcast clearly wants is they
want to buy up all broadband, they want to own at 50 or $60
billion, whatever they're paying for Time Warner, whatever the
number is, that is, you know, is not chicken feed. This is a
real, this is a real big deal. This is the mack daddy purchase
is a big one. And it's just expanding their markets and
buying a competitor, they're expanding their markets, they
really want to be the ISP for the United States. And you can
have nothing better, really, you can have nothing better than to
be deemed a common carrier and thus a utility, because it does
one thing. It discourages any competitor from entering that
marketplace. And then and this is the thing that people get
wrong. And I'm going to agree with this Baron guy, even though
I'm pretty sure it's being paid by Google, there are
competitors. Google is in fact, a competitor in Austin. And they
and how does this work? It's it's kind of sad, but why is
there so little competition I kind of buy into this argument
when you go into a local municipality or into a town like
Austin. And you say, hey, you know, I want to lay fibre and I
want to, you know, be a competitor to Comcast or
whatever you have are 18 What do you but let's just say with Time
Warner and Austin, and by the way in Austin, we do have
another cable company that competes but okay. Then Austin
says, Yeah, that's great. As long as you wire up the schools
and wire up the libraries and wire up a wire up all of the
government buildings. Oh, and Suck my cock. Because this is
exactly what these greedy assholes do everywhere. And if
you go back and you read what happened to FiOS when they
basically buckled in order to rent space on the telephone
poles, it was cost prohibitive because all of these local
municipalities, they all want kickbacks, they're all greedy.
And that's where the real problem is now Google, they,
they have real money and real reach. And they're, you know,
what are they, they're small, but they can become a
competitor. But not, if this broadband business is going to
be regulated as a common carrier, as a as a utility, it's
not going to be interesting for them, then any regulation,
they're not going to be interested because Google's
model is not even necessarily on a pure revenue basis. They want
to sell ads to your nest to your fridge, which by the way, you
call them is totally right. They want to sell ads everywhere. And
they'll probably give you free fibre eventually, for the
privilege for doing that. That's their business model. But if
they can't do that, because there's regulation, then you
know, then they're not they're just not going to do it. They
may try, you know, like the wireless or whatever, but
they're not going to do it. That's why Comcast wants this
enter. Reed Hastings, with his little with a little fractious
over, over the over the slowdown. Oh, well, this is
where the net neutrality debate came from. And if you as we
know, with the stupid slaves in most countries, but certainly in
the United States, you know, you can drone Americans, you can
have cops ripping people's heads off shooting old people in the
back black ladies of 98 killing him, but you slow down my
fucking Netflix, baby, I'm up in arms. I'm changing my icon. And
I'm getting mad. And I'm calling I'm calling for net neutrality.
And then you get all of these nonprofits, all sponsored by
open society, Open Society Institute, all sorrows of stuff,
then God knows where it's coming from, from family, the nonprofit
management agencies, all this money flowing in everybody's all
riled up over a hoax, because there is no evidence of actual
degradation based upon do their content versus my content. It's
just it's just really not true. It's all made up. Except for the
Netflix thing.
And isn't it interesting? And it was Netflix a really initiate.
Thank you.
And would it be interesting, if Netflix have now they have some
kind of deal and they're working it down, and they're, you know,
maybe they can figure something out with Comcast, maybe they
become the new default video on demand service? For Comcast,
it'd be that is not beyond the realm of possibility these guys
have been working together from day one, from day one, purposely
making this happen to stir up this debate to get the
regulation. And I agree that this is this should not be this
should be Congress, this should not be the FCC. Congress should
should, should be making up any if there's gonna be laws, it
should be Congress. But it's going to be a nightmare if the
FCC is really going to try and regulate this. But I think that
this is one big setup, to remove all competition and so far
playing out beautifully. So the only thing that I could if I'm
wrong about the timing of it, and I really thought the Netflix
thing came later at least I was aware of it later than I than I
was have the Time Warner acquisition. I'm going to call
setup and say these guys were working together.
Well, the Time Warner thing has to go through before you can
confirm your theory.
Correct. But even with Comcast is big. And in people keep
saying VA we need local loop unbundled like in the UK Oh
really? Is that really what you want where everybody's using the
same pipes and all the government has to do is not is
closed on one pipe instead of 14. And that end, the content
blocking in the UK is very real. That's real content blocking it
begins and then you have to buy bundles and you'd be forced to
buy Virgin Mobile with your virgin internet screw that you
don't want local loop unbundled. There is possible there is a
chance for real competition. But not as this thing is. He is a
util I think Google I'm no fan of Google as you know but I
think that they really can be a competitor. They are doing it in
Austin. They are doing it in Utah they are doing it in as
their as another southern state to Kentucky I think
they're doing it all over here and there but
but look at Austin's a very interesting market. We have a
competing cable company. We have 18 t now has their giga, giga,
giga, giga Cooper, which is their super fast hydromatic
thing, which is their version of Google fibre. We have Google
fibre coming in. We have Comcast, there is some real
competition. It's there. And everyone keeps saying, Oh, well,
there's no competition. Well, no, but I can guarantee you one
thing, if you turn this into a utility, and the government
regulates it, you're not going to have any competition Correct.
You will not have the battle that turns it into the power can
you choose from different power companies where you are? Or
different water?
There was a moment no water not No way. But there was a moment
trash? No, no, we got waste management WM where the mob?
Yeah, yeah. And they they run it. They do a great job. So just
like but again, it's the no your trash deal is one deal. There's
no competitive trash
on this from the chat room from the chat room. I have Time
Warner Comcast. February 13. Netflix, February 24. If that's
true, that's pretty uncanny.
Yeah, after that close. So one two punch to get the attention
of the of the community of freaks. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, if you look at who invented the term net
neutrality, I mean, it was like, I suppose the Whoo. But then
again, it wasn't, I mean, it was his coinage. But then he didn't
was not an agreement with it with the thesis that says,
That's devolved into what it is. And you have the same guys, you
know, that are bitching and moaning and is mostly hysterics.
I mean, that's the key
hoax. And it's being used as a political tool to get people to
vote vote for me, I'll save the internet. And literally, there
are just scores, which I think is is a score 144
scores? I don't know it's it's sort of war Four score and seven
years. It's no, it's
more than one. And there are several the several, several
nonprofits, which are not nonprofits. If you don't, if you
click the donate button, it goes to another nonprofit, than to
not to their nonprofit or their Action Fund. The whole It's, uh,
I, you know, I look at this stuff. And it's just the
$250,000 a year it's like one guys is, you know, gets that
money. Or one girl, I think in this case, in the slow doubt,
don't don't let them slow down the net.org. Me on that just
raising money for themselves. And bit, but then it really
nothing has really happened, but nothing has really did. Nothing
has really happened. They made a
fuss. Yeah, send us money, and we'll make a fuss.
So I Yeah. But anyway, they'd kind of made me happy because
I'm thinking of at least someone else's thinking this way, even
though he's probably being paid by Google. And maybe I don't
know who else maybe he is, you know, no, no, I don't know. But
he's, if you look at the Google fellow programme, the tech
freedom is listed on it, you can get a fellowship
to think a TNT would be the guys that would be big. Now he's
done.
He's done a lot of work for Google. So be sure Google's in
Yeah, but it doesn't really matter. To me, because
competition is good. And you have the right to, you know, to
to what does it petition your government? I'm not against
that. It's funny. I get accused of people say yeah, curious
angle. Just wait, you know, when it comes down to it, when the
when the podcast trolls are shut down podcast, those who are
talked favourably about that will probably still be allowed
to be around. The same goes for neutrality. They won't slow down
his podcast because he was second up to him. There you go.
That's a logical argument. If
you Oh, I gotta play something funny for you. This is funny. I
might as well get it all out of my system while I'm doing it.
Yeah, let's don't talk about this anymore.
Now we're gonna talk about but I just wanted to lay down this
what I think is the sequence of events. And we're not going to
talk about it anymore unless something drastic happens. And
I'm also not going to talk about the podcast patent after on this
show. But I do have to do it one more time. Because the missing
info and it only happened because someone on Twitter like
irks me, where they you know, the Curie bullcrap, man Coronas
producer, he's he's fighting for you, man. He's fighting for you.
Yeah, just because you don't make enough money for them to
come after you man. But
it's the angry old hippie.
So so someone points out the Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla show which
have Horses is the Dr. Drew and guest host show because Adam
Carolla you don't even podcasting right now he's
promoting his book which and he's getting hammered by the by
gay Inc which is another V did an interview in salon by the
gayest interviewer they have and he's now he's you know he's I
have to give him that curl doesn't care if he says yeah you
can't make gay jokes anymore in this town I've never seen it
like this and now the into the stories are well Corolla he
hates the gays can't believe it he's comparing us to paedophiles
the whole thing was it's a nightmare, the guy that is bad
Yeah, well, he shouldn't what he said was dumb, but just don't
mean don't do interviews is my policy. That's not a bad policy.
So, in front of every podcast on the PA Adam Carolla Podcast
Network, there's this little ditty
Hi, this is Adam Carolla.
I want to thank you for supporting this podcast on the
Corolla digital network. Everyone here at Corolla digital
is very proud of the shows that we put out every week and are
excited about the future of our network. However a patent troll
is threatening that future by suing us we need to fight back
and beat the troll down if we go down all the other shows on the
other networks you've grown to love are gonna go down next
okay. So this is just a lie and I want to disclaim I want to
except for the no agenda show, we have this is this is a lie
that he is asking people and it does hurt me because they want
an I definitely did more for podcasting and personal audio or
Adam Carolla EB to to be begging for money with this lie that all
podcasting is gonna go down. I'm sorry pisses me off, visit fund
anything.com forward slash patent troll to donate and find
out other ways that you can help beat the patent troll. Okay,
thank you, and mahalo. All right. So the reason why I bring
this up is then I was it was brought to my attention that Dr.
Drew, who normally does the Adam Carolla Dr. Drew show, and the
guy's name is Adam to and his AC. This is all very annoying.
Here so Corolla is up promoting his book, so he has the Sklar
brothers on who I guess are a comedy duo who also Podcast. I'm
not familiar with their work. And this is how the so what
really happens here is there is a patent, the so called 506
podcast patent that was awarded. And, and I think it's a valid
patent. And I don't like it. And there may be prior art, which
the EFF is correctly, they're challenging the proper way the
right job. Yes, they're challenging that patent in the
proper way. And and I and I support them in that I do not
support them. The way they approached me was we got to fuck
this patent troll. I'm sorry. Just because someone moves there
wants to hear a case in Texas doesn't mean that there. This
happens all the time. court cases are moved all the time all
come for all different reasons. But this is not a company. This
is the guy who was awarded the patent is seeking redress for
this and it has not sold it. Okay, so it is not it is not
like Nathan Myhrvold who buys up patents just to go sue people is
not the same thing. Now he's the guy who was awarded the patent
that is very important. What happened with this and what is
going to be said and just have to stop the insanity because
this propagation is an incorrect message. And I don't care what
happens because we haven't received any demand letter. I
also haven't seen any demand letter. I don't know what would
Adam Carolla got, I don't know if he they really said give me
$3 million. I don't know what they said. I don't know why his
lawyers cost a million dollars. I don't know any of this. But
people are handing over money to him fine. If you want to do that
fine. My job is to give you some information. But this when you
hear how this is propagated it makes me mad continue to do this
entertainment for a long
Yeah. Which is nice. And it's the only way you can do it is
I've got three kids. My Oh yeah. Carl has to buy more cars. Yeah,
yeah. Like his children. But anyway, he deserves what he
gets. And he course has made a giant industry out
of this. Yes, he's made a giant industry out of this. Oh, this
is called the pod father. I'll say I'm a little irked by that.
I'm waiting a little irked by
that yeah, the giant Thank you. Thank you, Adam Carolla for
making this giant industry. I'm happy I will give him that.
Thank you very much. I appreciate the work you've done.
And
we also have to we have to support him fighting the
patent trolls we have to this is something we are so passionate
about. I mean if you if you this is a simple battle, and I want
to break it down to it's good versus evil.
Okay, kids. Just listen very closely. He's gonna break it
down for you, which is something Alex Jones says but let me break
this down for you. It's really simple. No, it's not. It's not
that simple, but Okay, it's good versus evil.
I mean, it's the people who create things versus the people
who are trying to tear that shit down to you. Do you like
bullies? Do you support bullying in grade school? This is adult
bullying.
Okay, so now patent laws become adult bullies to some adult
bullying bullshit where they literally are trying this there
are people in offices and fucking office parks in Texas or
wherever they don't even show up the office they they buy these
excuse the address, they use the address they buy these patents
these general patents okay, they did not buy a patent. This is
the guy who was awarded the Pat there is a difference.
I own the patent on someone saying words into a microphone
now. Now the
patent that he has, I've read the 506 patent is very specific
about a media file that lists episodes the file is known the
file is retrieved it says here's a new episode essentially
exactly explains what has what was invented with and really
technology isn't gonna invent it evolves it evolves and then the
guy patented it and he got awarded the patent okay there
may be prior art there's a way to handle that but he this is
what they're saying is a lie. So
now I can I can charge podcast middle aged
back in charge podcast what does that mean? It's just making this
up
shame on the government for allowing that to happen while
they're starting to do so shame on the
government I get a lot of this to the Corolla is fighting the
government man big government. No, we're not fighting big
government little
bit. But we need we need as grassroots people to stand up
and say no, we need to be so vocal, we need to be as vocal as
the NRA.
Okay, that's really helpful. You're doing us all a service
to remind ourselves what they would do they avoid iTunes and
Amazon, who have they are using this quote, patent.
Okay, now, let me just say something Dr. Drew, you should
stop, you should be fixing the Hollywood druggies, Apple
computers. But Apple was sued by personal audio. And all of this
is in the show notes. And they paid $8 million for two things
for a patent regarding playlists on mp3 players. And this payment
was for use of this patent and any other patents in the future,
which includes the 506 podcast patent. This is what no one is
telling you. Apple paid already. So it's not like Apple's not
getting sued. Apple got sued. They paid $8 million flat fee
one time they can use the technology forever now. And
personal audio actually tried to go back and say hey, man, that's
messed up. We and they actually they their lawyers did a bad
job. And they messed it up for them. So they only got 8 million
and Apple can use any version of that initial patent
in the future to have a big red light blinking or anything.
Yeah,
I got a big red. So you well, anyway. That was great. Yeah,
we're recording now. Ah, that was great, wasn't it? Okay, so
you missed it. You missed it. All right. What did we miss?
I'll tell you what you missed because I remember when this
thing went off. I didn't think much about it at the time. We
missed missed a final. Adam Carolla analysis ended with some
additional material that you added and could you know, we got
lost and then you missed a little exposition on the drug
situation with this drug. But it was good.
It was good. We'll do the drug thing on Sunday. Because we get
we can just we can just do the whole drug thing over again.
Yeah, that's easy. And then we take that straight into the NFL
Draft. Now we can leave we can drop that I'm really sorry let
me tell you what happened. So there was some glitch and you
remember when I couldn't play the rest of the clip? Right and
that glitch also killed the stream and the recording and I
and honestly it being 2:30am I just spaced My bad?
Don't Don't ever say My bad. Why not? That is the worst. I hate
that.
Basically. They my bad is that worse than that? Then gazillion.
I don't say gazillion. I'm just asking. Is it worse than
gazillion? Yeah. Oh,
yes. is much worse than kazillion.
Okay, it was my fault.
Yes, there you go.
I'm sorry. I feel I feel quite bad about that.
Of course you do. Is a flawless podcast people and then wishes
which means likely we're gonna Get to the donation segment
next, and then I have a story Imagine all the people who could
do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun
we do have a few people to think. And again, we have to
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I know it does. It looks like it.
In fact, this is I'm telling you, this is the 618
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Well, that's what I suggested earlier.
Well, part part of what you said
I don't remember iodine in beer. I do actually
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And he's got a birthday coming up on the fourth, which is new
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You've got karma might as well do it.
I believe that Jeff is a newer listener and I think a lot of
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One of our listeners about five years ago, said in 5510 and are
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So he had the double nickels on the diamond and all of a sudden
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But he had a job that he picked up in Mid Michigan someplace.
And it was a cult of bookstore, you know, the not at all cult,
and oh, cult bookstore, you know, see Samuel
black covers with pentagrams. Yeah,
that kind of a place. And the guy said to him, he says, You
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I thought. That's harsh. Yeah, that was just one of those
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I thought I liven it up for you.
You know, I've, how funny is it that we sat here and we're
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think that happens once in a while. A conversation with my
wife.
What did you say? What? Were you talking to me?
Wow. You just you're just obsessing on this.
Yeah, of course, I'm obsessive. i It's, it's the one of the
worst things that can ever happen. Well, I'm obsessing on
it because I sat here and I looked at the blank slate with
no recordings going and then at a certain point, I'm like, Hey,
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No, I think we when people spend money on parking tickets, they
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Yeah. And they were they send their money to Corolla which you
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But this see this see this as as healthcare than it truly is. We
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by the way, that kind of message I got at the at the meetup I had
you know, this one guy he had his kid there with at the meetup
and he was the kid was the cutest kid ever. And you know,
and he had and he's already trying to drug the kid he says
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uncomfortable about the idea. And there's a lot of the you
know, this concept that I feel better about things because I at
least listen to two guys who are saying and these two guys by the
way, neither one of us are taking anything that would alter
our consciousness or make us nuts well not by force.
Government eating
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pharmacy.
So you know, you have a cognac and you're fine.
No, no, in fact, I have I don't have a cognac I have I picked up
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Tories. It's very funny. It's really this is probably a shitty
one. But wow, there's some Tory whiskey is really good is some
Tories? I guess that the water they use is that is that the
Toledo
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it's really smooth. I like it a lot.
It really tastes blended whiskey is designed to be very smooth.
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Well, hopefully on Sunday, Somerville. We haven't had an
instant night for a while. That's what we're looking for
things
tonight. Yeah. Of course, the big news, which I've been
following for years now. And it finally happened to you. It was
very interesting to see. So many of the news outlets going, Oh,
well, they didn't sign the gas deal. And then, at the very end
there. We had the Chinese and the Russians, under the watchful
eye sign their $400 billion deal for the pipeline from Siberia up
to China, which is a very small, it's it's much smaller than it
sounds. I'd be no way will it make up for anything they lose
in in sales to Europe, the and it's also nothing near what
China really needs. But it's significant. They've been trying
to get this deal together for 10 years. And I think the whole
Putin going over there. It was really a show. The audience was
the United States government. I think you would agree with me on
that, John? Yeah, obviously. Yeah. It's like, Hey, look at
what we're doing. And that's really what that was about.
What's it but something very odd happened. And I haven't I have a
short clip. This is holder. So now here's what we have. We have
Putin going over to China to do this deal. And to the end. And
by the way, there's also some security conference, a whole
bunch of stuff going on over there. Were floundering away
with Nudelman. And all the Neo cons in Ukraine, trying to set
up this this Bogut of election which will take place on what
the 20 The fifth so that's what does that Sunday?
I guess. Yeah, looks like it was Saturday.
And then, you know, the kind of the, you know, if we look at the
pivot to Asia, if you look at the bricks and you know, my
thesis, of course the, you know, slowly but surely there's an
there's a there's a movement underway to rid the world of the
petro dollar and this Russia China deal. Although it seems
like the pricing is still done in dollars, it's going to be in
local currency. So whether there's remedy B or whether it's
rubles or, oh, god forbid, SDRs there's not going to be in
dollars. So this is you know, it's just a little little chink
a little chunk a little a little bit. And then holder are the
United States, the highest man and all of justice above even
the Comey do show you heard I mean, he's the guy everyone
reports to. He comes out and does this.
We are here this morning to discuss a matter that proves
this threat warned about by the president is all too real.
Today, we are announcing an indictment against five officers
of the Chinese People's Liberation Army for serious
cybersecurity breaches against six American victim companies.
Victim companies by the way, please note the victim companies
represent
the first ever charges against known state actors for
infiltrating United States commercial targets by cyber
means. A federal grand jury in Pittsburgh has found that these
five Chinese military officers conspired together and with
others, to hack into the computers of organisations in
the western Pennsylvania and elsewhere in the United States.
The victim entities include Westinghouse Electric, Alcoa,
Allegheny Technologies Incorporated, United States
Steel, the United Steelworkers union, and Solar World. And this
was very interesting to me. First of all, I don't know how
much intellectual property the Chinese need to steal from Solar
World. Don't the Chinese have cheaper solar panels and better
technology than we do?
Yeah, they're the ones that took over the market. Right? And then
steel, really, though, the Chinese kind of own the steel
market.
Me with
right, so apparently, it was some kind of deal for someone
and this is the you'll hear in a second from holder that they
they they sold, I guess they sold the PowerPoint or
something. They went and stole their pitch deck.
This is a case alleging economic espionage by members of the
Chinese military. The range of trade secrets and other
sensitive business information stolen in this case is
significant. And demands and aggressive response. Yeah, we
should bomb them. The indictment alleges that these PLA officers
maintained unauthorised access to victim computers to steal
information from these entities that would be useful to their
competitors in China, including state owned enterprises. In some
cases, they stole trade secrets that would have been
particularly beneficial to Chinese companies at the time
that they were stolen.
Okay, it's it to me sounds like a pitch. The It's sounds as if
anything, it sounds like a pricing issue. Like the Chinese
somehow this these five Chinese and it's very fun. Did you hear
their names who he indicted? This is funny.
Yeah, I know. It's almost like that. Something wrong? Yeah.
That's exactly what it was. It was Wong Dong. I was afraid the
rest of hold on we can talk
about and others based on sensitive internal
communications that would provide a competitor or an
adversary in litigation with insight into the strategy and
the vulnerabilities of the American entity. In some, the
alleged hacking appears to have been conducted for for no other
reason than to advantage state owned companies and other
interests in China at the expense of businesses here in
the United States. This is a tactic that the United States
Government categorically denounce this. Yeah, of course,
we never do this, as President Obama has said on numerous
occasions, we do not collect intelligence to provide a
competitive advantage to United States companies, the United
States commercial sector, our economic security and our
ability to compete fairly in the global marketplace are directly
linked to our national security.
There you go. Yeah, we don't we don't do that. So there's an
indictment of five guys who are never going to catch up because
they're in
China. It's it could be just anonymous names for all we know.
It's so why does holder do this? Why when there's such an
important meeting happening Wait, is this guy insane? In
fact, before you answer, let's go to our friend Matt from
Associated Press, who asked Jen Psaki this very question.
So in other words, what you're saying is the Department of
Justice came to you and said, we're going to do this. And you
said, the building set. Okay. And then you went and told the
Chinese that before the announcement, that's not it?
Well, that is about the timeline of things. Yes. Okay. We say
assaults with governments on a regular basis as the State
Department, did the State Department think that it was a
good idea to do this, given the reaction of the Chinese
government, to indictments that even the Justice Department
doesn't think it will ever be able to prosecute. And the fact
that it happened as President Putin was flying to China. Can
you explain how this was not an what seems to be just an epic
fuckup
timing disaster? You are, correct me if I'm wrong, seeking
Chinese help, cooperation on any number of issues ranging from
North Korea, to Iran, to Syria to wherever is that right? Even
at the same time, you are engaged in preparatory
discussions for the SN Ed.
That's the at the security Economic Summit. I think it is
the SEC, I
think so something like that.
So I don't know, I just find it very difficult to believe that
the State Department would say to the Justice Department, okay,
yeah, this is a good idea. Let's announce these indictments which
we're never going to prosecute. It's just for show, as the
attorney general surge is a wake up call to the Chinese. And, and
you just basically drove the Chinese into Putin's arms.
So what's your take on this, John, because that's exactly the
take I had on it.
I'm not buying that they drove the Chuck, I think this is a one
for one thing that let's start with the reality of this, that
building that they found this bull crap going on and was
spotted and and discussed in the media about two or three months
ago, even longer ago, I think, maybe could be my timeframe
could be wrong, but it's been a known entity, it's been sitting
there. And now they I guess they penetrated it somehow, or it
took them that long, or they always knew all along. And so
they had to do do this thing out of the blue at the last minute
or for this particular at this moment. I'm thinking that, you
know, it's just like, I have no idea why they timed it for this.
It is a meaningless effort. It has something to do with
hacking, you know, the hacking newsletter hacking stories.
Do you think do you think it's possible that it was meant to
actually, the oil of the pipeline deal wasn't signed?
until the last minute, you don't think that there was just no,
just a little push? No,
no, no, I don't think so. I really think that we don't have
a clue why they did this at this moment. It's just I saw felt the
same way as Why didn't you actually clip it or deal with
it? Because I was baffled by the whole thing. It's like, it may
have to do with that special that frontline ran. I mean, it's
Ryan, the timing of that is right on the money. It's like
frontline runs a special this the United States of secrecy.
And then they throw this thing into the pot, which we would
known was going on all along, right in the middle of the
showing of that story, which was getting, I'm sure a lot of
people calling their congressmen bitching. And so they throw this
thing in there. Now they got it. Well, you know, we have to do it
because the Chinese do it. That's the only thing that's
even remotely possible in my mind. Good point.
And well, so the interesting thing, of course, is, you know,
it's another little chink in the armour. I'm just not I'm not
sure who's on whose side you know, but I'm not completely
convinced that as you know, that anyone has America's best
interests at heart. I just I just don't see any we we know
that. Kerry and Nudelman all the Neo cons. They all want the the
IMF reform signed and ratified because they're all globalist
they all want the SDR stuff to happen. They don't care.
Everyone's got their kids in Kyiv. Yeah. Hey, kids in Kyiv
There you go.
Oh, and they got in Biden's kids working in Did you so so by the
way? Yeah. I want to get I have Ukraine clip that I want to get
out of the way because it to kind of complicates the matter
of the of Ukraine. Dice that it kind of confuses things and this
is the one you I've had this clip for a couple of weeks, but
I just haven't had an excuse to play It played this clip because
it's very interesting. In the wake of the severance of
political ties between Kyiv and Moscow, both countries are
looking at how to limit the damage to their multibillion
dollar military industries which have been entwined for decades.
Kyiv could ex trade with Moscow, its biggest buyer of military
equipment may be able to offset 1000s of job losses by exploring
newly opened market opportunities in the EU.
However, Russia faces a lengthy and expensive challenge in
replacing the hundreds of Ukrainian companies we provide
crucial parts of the Russian arsenal. About 400 Russian
defence companies over a third of the country's total rely on
Ukrainian expertise and military manufacturing. If Kyiv outlawed
such cooperation, Russia's state armaments programme would be
seriously damaged. Russia's arms industry relies on motor sich
aeroplane engines built in the Ukrainian city of Persia and
turbines from the Zarya mesh project complex in Nikolaev in
southern Ukraine are an important component of Russia's
maritime fleet. Russia also needs Ukrainian expertise from
state owned company usually which oversees maintenance of
Russia's nuclear missiles huge mesh also a state owned company
manufactures missiles, satellites and spacecraft used
by Russia. Experts say it could be at least a decade before
Russia would be able to gain military independence from
Ukraine is Moscow needing to invest heavily in constructing
entirely new arms manufacturing sectors. Although a complete
termination of military alliances between Russian and
Ukrainian defence companies would be catastrophic for both
countries in
the short run prospects for Ukraine look better with a host
of EU defence manufacturers already eager to enter the
lucrative Ukrainian market.
War. All wars are banker wars beautiful. And
fun find that an interesting report.
Yeah. Yeah, we need more war. Well, it's going to happen.
Something bad is going to happen. And I can tell you why
the signals are right here. May 25. Sunday, we have the vote for
this is the presidential election. And there will be a
team of observers to supervise the presidential election. And
who will be leading that team.
Biden, close enough. Madeleine Albright oh my god worse.
I mean, you could not have a worse. First of all, she's a
zombie. She is She is a zombie. And she's essentially they're
just
hiring her. Something's wrong with her. Well,
they're hiring her company but she has a huge rip the Albright
what does that what does that thing called the Albright it's
huge. Everybody's in that thing. The Albright can Albright
consulting. I think this makes sense. Right. All right.
Consulting. Here we go. No, that's not it. What is that
thing called the John?
Aid adult break?
Look at it. Albright Stonebridge Group. There you go. The
Albright Stonebridge Group. This thing is big, global strategy
and business advisory firm led by former US Secretary of State
in the Clinton administration, Madeleine Albright. Embassy, Sam
Berger is in there. We have they got offices in Beijing,
Shanghai, San Paulo, New Delhi, the Albright group, and stone
bridge LLC, they merged in 2009. They've worked in 65. So in when
you want something to happen in a country, you call these guys,
but you want to get a deal together. You call these guys.
That's who you want to. That's who you want to call of now
they're overseeing the election process. Yeah. We speak the
languages of businesses and governments translating
opportunities and risks and the benefits and rewards. See if
there's anything under news, Albright stonebridge.com. Wow,
that is funny. They're doing all kinds of voting stuff. The
senior counsellor Ambassador Gyps are an op ed in the
upcoming South African elections. Senior Advisor Brown
has profile and see voting continues in India are bad you
know, such a big game. It's such a big game nobody understands
this.
You Yeah, well, we do not cut part of it. That's for sure.
Interesting report that came out about in regard to Common Core
ore and the whole stem push science, technology, engineering
and math. And I don't know if you saw any of this, John, the
report, which I looked at the report, who did this report,
there wasn't actually it was a report and they brought in a
number of reports from the RAND Corporation, epi Economic Policy
Institute. And as it turns out, there is absolutely no shortage
of workers with STEM degrees for STEM jobs. And this whole push
for STEM, which as we know, certainly in the Common Core
realm is being paid for by Microsoft and Motorola and
Intel. And Dell is only meant for one thing and one thing only
wage suppression.
Okay, yeah, you know, that's what you said is that I should
have spotted it myself as a former Union organiser. Yeah,
it's exactly what it is. You're paying too much money and it's
getting too difficult to get the Indians to come over because you
they'll work for cheap. And yeah, that's good. I like it.
Yeah. And it makes the guy this is what this guy at Davis has
been saying for years. This is all this stuff is bullcrap.
We've got plenty of people that will can do any of these jobs,
but no one wants to pay him what they're worth.
Yeah. And we just had that big lawsuit. Apple and everyone's
rooting Yeah,
right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, Apple they should
throw somebody in jail over this but they
won't. Really wasn't a jailable offence in your in your I think
it was your house. You can't read Siddhanta its antitrust
anti competitive thing. I think it's I think it's like a
misdemeanour. I think it's a jailable. Or maybe even worse is
a mind it's not a minor thing. What they did. That kind of
collusion is against is just solidly against the law. Right.
Well, that's so that's, that's what's going on. And anyone you
know, pushing your kids towards, no, I in fact, I'm going to play
you a little clippy.
Hey, tell them to take the saxophone. Instead,
I found that this is a fun little clippy, you're going to
tell me who this is. There we go. What's this
child, I dreamed of what I wanted to become a doctor, a
teacher, a scientist and architect. Children today have
these same dreams, we encourage them to think big and set their
sights high. But from
this, I'll tell you what this is about. This is a promotional
video, for a foundation of big American Corporation Foundation,
who are financing charter schools, which of course,
actually one of our producers sent this to me, he heard an
entire piece on NPR about Common Core. And the underwriter of the
piece was this outfit
millions of students in America, it's much harder for that dream
to come true. These students are handed a system that doesn't
give everyone the same opportunity to succeed. Students
from low income communities are often forced to attend
underperforming schools that fail to prepare them to succeed
in college and their careers. Nearly three quarters of low
income fourth graders are not proficient in reading.
You've got to see the video to this but they use that OECD data
but they're not really seeing you really using the data you
just see little maps of countries you see Japan and
China and their charts are way bigger than America. No numbers
are just like a big bar chart. It says that we just suck. We
just horrible. We're dumb with dummies which is which is not
true and rough. Which is not true. No, it's percentage small
percentages
of every five black and Hispanic teenagers do not graduate from
high school, cutting their dreams short and setting the
stage for unemployment, increased crime and a host of
other problems. Like drugs failure affects all of America
as we all sort of our ideals of equal opportunity lag farther
and farther behind other countries.
All right, who do you think it is? The reveal is coming
Microsoft
Academic Achievement as a parent even know for immediate action
the Google will transform our public schools is better and
give our children the opportunity to not only dream
big but also see their dreams come true. The Walton Family
Foundation
right the cheapest bastards in Walmart, there's a huge one
that's doing they're doing a huge push here about we're gonna
hire 100,000 veterans you know as and is obviously you know,
low paying jobs you say a load of people coming in. We have to
wrap this up because you have to go to bed and I'm fearful that
because of the mistakes that have had happened on the show,
including mine of sending the old spreadsheet. I looked it up.
I'm just
I'm just getting into it. I'm just having fun. Now you want to
have a you know, you want to quit?
Well, it's like if we, you know, at some point we have to cut the
show off and finish. Yeah. So you can well, the way I see it
hosted fall asleep in the meantime. Well, the way
I see it is we are at two hours without because we lost 20
minutes. We're now at two hours and 25 minutes. So we got five
more minutes to go. You have something I will I will fill
this with joy.
Okay, fill it.
The 911 Museum opened in in New York City to a lot of
controversy, obviously, because they're selling little
tchotchkes
the burning building globe and a snow globe.
Do you know this for a fact, it was a burning
building snowglobe it's an moneymaker.
Like, you know, little pieces of steel keychains and there's a
lot of controversy. A lot of people are very angry about this
very angry. And and so of course, you know, we need to
circumvent this. And we need to bring in some experts and the
best thing you can do is just turn it into a truther thing.
Two clips both from CNN, of course. Don Lemon first, he is
now going to spin the Truther museum which it sounds pretty
disgusting to me. And we so this is a memorial. This is where all
these people died. And instead of saying hey, you know this
museum is a little weird with the burning building snowglobe
No, let's make it about 911 truthers and both he and Jake
Tapper, just Jake Tapper, and he's not he's not even
pretending to care anymore. But Don Lemon still kind of gets
into it back with me now,
New York State Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis. Allison, I
want to turn to you because you're you said that you're okay
with this gift shop. But what do you how do you feel about these
truthers that are coming out and sort of promulgating this whole
myth of 911 that it was an inside job outside the museum at
the memorial. What do you make of that
now now? So this is a New York Assemblywoman and he's he's just
washed away the whole the controversy over the gift shop.
And what do you make of these crazy truthers? She has some new
information I was not aware of.
Well, I think it's very unfortunate, and it's very
insensitive of these people. But this is a country that has
freedom of speech. So I you know, I suppose they have their
right to say whatever they feel they're not well informed. Oh,
you know, nobody was standing there pushing a button and
saying, Alright, time to collapse the buildings that the
buildings were, were structurally compromised by.
Okay, let me just say no one asked you for this opinion.
Nobody was saying there were the button.
The attacks and when they were built, as I understand it, I
attended the the skyscraper safety hearings for the 911
Commission.
Now I've never heard of the skyscraper safety hearings for
the 911 commission I follow this very closely I read the report
of course I've never heard of this commission she attended it
and here's some new information
and I understood that these buildings were designed to come
straight down if anything happened which was unimaginable
that time to prevent a larger greater damage of them toppling
over in
okay let me get this straight these buildings including John
Gallo which had absolutely no plane fly into it were designed
were designed mind you to collapse at the at the speeds
drop down straight down at gravity speed. Even if there was
just fire
in one piece so you know, it wasn't topple over like a Jenga
look out its toppling push that button and said Alright time to
collapse these things they just just
no no you know when you say this twice lady no one pressed a
button and says try to collapse they just
came down. Oh, no, you know, people have been saying the
world is ending. Oh, yeah. Big newspaper headlines. Oh,
so now the newspapers are conspiracy theorists apparently
long
time so it's just I put it in that category. Oh, of
newspapers, okay. of utter nonsense. You know, people just
need to be informed.
Okay, we need to be informed. Okay. All right. So I'm just a
little confused about how
the gift shop to Okay, let's
go to Jake Tapper. Now he brings on that he's running out of
ideas or the CNN is so they couldn't get the assembly woman
let's bring on I don't know, some debts from Slate Magazine.
What do you say John? That that could be funny. Robert 11th
memorial museum opens to the public this week in lower
Manhattan in some conspiracy theorist crazies who are
apparently no strangers to Photoshop I plan on attending.
According to the Village Voice, this is really good newspaper
which broke the story that conspiracy group architects and
engineers for 911 truth. This is now a conspiracy group, I have
to say of all the people
of all the groups that is the most legitimate it's yes,
that end pilots for 911 Truth, which I'm a member of, because
you know, the NIST report says these aircraft fluid 530 miles
per hour 2000 feet? I don't think so. But okay, and there's
all kinds of discrepancies, but architects and engineers, that's
a conspiracy group now. Wow. Plan on standing outside the
entrance on opening day to hand out fake museum brochures
designed to look exactly like the real ones. Okay, so let's
not talk about the museum. Let's talk about crazy truthers. Take
a look on the left side of your screen the real deal Welcome to
the 911 Memorial preview visitors guide for adults on the
right, the group's handiwork Welcome to the other story about
911 That's of course, the false one. Inside they claim they've
compiled quote a vast amount of evidence. I'm using the term
loosely they're probing I'll tell you Jake, cuz you know, of
course Jake has his own thoughts, but he's been told to
hate you. What you need to do is discredit these guys and
distract attention away from the museum, which is kind of sick.
And just go, Jake, we're gonna get this this ditzy chicken just
go nuts. That's their word, not ours. But all three World Trade
Centre skyscrapers were deliberately destroyed by
explosives on 911. Of course, they don't actually prevent
anything except for man's capacity for believing crazy
things. And man's insensitivity to for instance, the families of
the approximately 3000 people killed in New York, the Pentagon
and in a field in Pennsylvania, by Islamic terrorists with al
Qaeda as every credible investigation has actually
proven. Do you think Jake could sleep at night after this one?
Yeah. Do you think do you think he was okay?
I think he was fine. Let's bring in. These guys aren't all in on
this.
Let's bring in and well let's bring in Emily. Emily is great.
And your editor at slate for more on this app. Does anyone
still read Slate Magazine? Is that is that a website? Or what
is that?
It's owned by Microsoft. So you. We are more than a decade after
the crash take it back to Washington Post bought it.
Okay, it was even worse. Yes. It's Amazon is that Microsoft is
Amazon. Gotcha. And why did these truthers have such staying
power?
It's such a good question the persistence of this theory, you
know, usually with a conspiracy theory, you imagine that people
are trying to make sense of the senseless. But with 911, we have
a real conspiracy called Al Qaeda. And so one has to imagine
that the anti government motivation of the 911 truthers
is really what's driving this because if you could imagine
that the nine that the government made up 911 As a
hoax, then the government is completely monstrous. There is
no reason to believe anything any federal official says, and
certainly no reason to pay your taxes,
you're making my point for me. So pay your taxes, the lady from
Slate said it don't pay it. There's no reason if you think
the government is evil, don't pay your taxes. There's no
reason. And what happens when this kind of nonsense hits the
echo chamber of the internet. Oh, well, that's what makes a
good podcast, of course,
well, it tends to multiply online and you see these dark
corners of the internet.
Hello, I mean, the dark corner of the internet over here. It
covered the dark corner
where people pile on and there's this very minute parsing of the
technicalities of the suppose that evidence and more and more
detail gets added and accumulated and it kind of feeds
on itself.
And the idea here, he's not going to stop right. It's not
just that the three buildings were destroyed by explosives
that it's all part of this grand conspiracy where the US
government. I mean, let me let me state if I hadn't made it
clear enough. None of this is true. This is all just crazy
talk. This is crazy talk. Don't pay your taxes, crazy talk, but
that the US government faked it killed all these people
intentionally. It was just to start a war in Iraq and another
one in Afghanistan. Is that is that that the idea that they're
going for here? Let me see. Let's listen to General Wesley
Clark for a second. About
10 days after 911. I went through the Pentagon and I saw
Secretary Rumsfeld and, and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz, I
went downstairs just sail over some of the people in the joint
staff who used to work for me and one of the generals call me
and he said, Sir, you got to come in. You got to come in and
talk to me a second. I said, Well, you're too busy. He said,
No, no, he says you We've made the decision. We're going to war
with Iraq. This was on our about the 20th of September. I said,
we're going to war with Iraq. Why?
He said, I don't know. He said, I guess they don't know what
else to do.
So I said, Well, do they find some information collect,
connecting Saddam to al Qaeda? And he said, No, no, it's just
there's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to
go to war with Iraq. He said, I guess it's like, we don't know
what to do about terrorists. But we got a good military, and we
can take down governments. And he said, I guess if the only
tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later. And by that time,
we were bombing in Afghanistan, I said, Are we still going to
war with Iraq? And he said, Oh, it's worse than that. He said,
He reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper. He
said, I just, he said, I just got this down from upstairs
meeting the secretary of defence office today. And he said, this
a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven
countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then
Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran,
is just crazy talk. It's just crazy talk.
That's the idea. And just to stay to this to show how
horrifying it is. I suppose that given that the American
government did put forward some false ideas to motivate going
into Iraq, in particular, the whole idea that there were
weapons of mass destruction there that's like the tiny, tiny
kernel of truth that
is just a tiny teeny little itty bitty crumb of little piece of
nothing. This is nothing.
There's in some way related to this completely crazy theory.
There's also a lot of scapegoating involved Jews,
Jews, there's anti semitism, anti Israel, anti corporations,
right. Jews
sweet and I think you see these virulent
suape Wait, wait, wait for it. How about Republicans brains
that are related to each other and familiar from fringe, right?
It's the word virulent again,
yes. This is this is virulent what we should look this word
up.
What was a meme at the beginning? All right. Oh,
Viru lens. What does virulent mean? Means? Ah, watching
actively poisonous, intensely noxious?
You're gonna hear it a lot. virulent,
actively poisonous. Oh, I like this. This is very, very nice.
Exactly. And I think you see these virulent strains that are
related to each other and familiar from fringe, right
wing. And that Yes, exactly.
Drug right wing talk. Do Republicans Oh, get
kind of weirdly braided together in this particular theory. I've
had it with her stop. This woman is an idiot how she's lovely.
Just still, he's got that screechy voice like the woman
with the with putting the the flute in herself.
26 more seconds. I know you can handle it. And historically,
historically, we can't. Oh, yes, you can. This is Jake, this is
Jake. This is five
minutes in the history of the show. Viruses come
after very upsetting events, Kennedy assassination, the
assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. Is there a pattern
there? Oh.
Is there a pattern? Yes. I think that each time something really
scary and disastrous happens people search for meaning. And
then sometimes even when there is a clear explanation because
we have that for 911 in a way that we didn't for the Kennedy
assassination certainly at first, when then you have this
search for for suppose it other evidence out there and people
just kind of pick it up and run with it even when it seems
completely unwarranted in this one time. At Bandcamp. I stuck a
flute in my purse and Ghazi Benghazi, Benghazi. Alright,
cheese.
See you. Next time. I have a boring clip of some Nutch job.
And you say, Oh, I can't play it anymore. You're playing it?
Yeah, no, but she was terrible. I know. I did. But unlistenable
terrible. She was she was annoying. And it was a terrible
clip. It was it was two minutes of my life. I'll never
You're right. I'm sorry. I apologise.
She's a horrible person. I think the point why was she even on
the show? That's my Toyne expert in it. I know. But you didn't
have to let her talk.
She was funny. I like what she said about this little itty
bitty this little thing about weapons of mass destruction. It
was killed a million Iraqis. It's no big deal.
Well, that was amusing, but I think you're punchy. I'm punchy.
Yeah, it's late in the day. You didn't get a nap today and
you're just thinking you think this ad it's hilarious, when in
fact she's just an idiot.
Well then I'll let you take us home big boy.
Well, I want to thank everybody for listening.
You got to have one clip to take us home. Oh, I
got Well I do have a Rubio clip which cracks me up. I have Torah
torture, but that's no fun.
Well, let's see if you can tolerate it. Let's even top my
my girl from Slate. Come on. Me the baddest. No, no, no, make it
better. Okay,
let's put in oh, let's play the actually let's play. Let's play
the student loan crisis clip. No, it's too long. No, I got
nothing. Brah Hey, Brahimi. This guy they the guy used to be the
go between between the UN and Syria. Yeah, play him
presidential elections for June, Canada.
But the question is, how many more that how much more
distraction that is going to be before Syria becomes again the
Syria we have known the new Syria that will be different
from the theory of the past. That it will be the Syria we
have loved and admired for many, many years for him his
resignation.
Wait a minute, the Syria that we've loved and admired
yesterday. We've known Uriah was always a steady terrorist.
Hello. We had one of the worst countries ever. We had recorded
this UN guy that we'd known and loved.
We put the chars wife in Vogue magazine. Everybody was hanging
out with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, we're driving around
Damascus having lunch? Oh, how quickly we forget.
This is the country that probably brought down that Pan
Am flight.
No, that was a CIA drug running operation was different.
I'm sure it was involved somehow. But they're the ones
who buy things they bought. They're the ones that were
responsible for a whole crapload of terrorists things that they
used to use too. Well,
does that mean you don't have to love them?
No, it says it was a country we all known and loved. And we
heard
John, when are you? When are you flying home? Tomorrow? Okay. Oh,
so you're done for tonight? You don't have to do any. You have
to do anything. I got another meet up. Alright. But but no. No
speaking gibberish. Cool. All right. Well, we fly home
tomorrow. It'd be a long flight. We leave tomorrow. We fly home
yesterday and we arrived yesterday. And looking forward
to the show on Sunday. And thank you all for putting up with my
punchiness here. Of course it is 3:20am in the what.
Yeah. Okay, go on. Yes. 3:20am Think about it. It
happens it happens. All right, coming to you from the Hot
Pockets wasabi tour love hotel, here in Tokyo in the morning,
everybody. I'm Adam curry.
And coming from a Marriott someplace in Michigan. I'm John
C. Dvorak
and we will be back on Sunday right here on no agenda that's
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