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Hey, what is cyber? Is that what
you want?

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Adam curry, John C. Dvorak.

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Sunday October 27 2013. Time for
your get my nation media

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assassination episode five. This
is no agenda. Celebrating six

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years of substance abuse from
the traverse high tide out in

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the capital, the golden star
state a very wet Austin tea

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house in the morning, everybody.

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I'm curry from Northern Silicon
Valley where I'm happy

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celebrating the sixth
anniversary of the show. I'm

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John C. Dvorak.

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That's right. And before we
start, John, I have to bring

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something to the table a huge
problem. Okay. You know how I

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will you have this too, but it's
been since the summer that last

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summer I've had this problem
where songs get stuck in my

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head. Oh, good. Well, not so
good. Because all the songs have

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been replaced and I can't stop
it. I can't stop doing

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it the firewall Come on. It's we
had to practice it. So you might

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have practised in your head, but
it's

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really but it comes out of my
mouth. This is the problem.

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Oh, you actually like doing the
voice. But this might be this

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might be your

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career. My ticket out of the
beginning it's time. Someone

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pointed out to me that this is
very similar to Towelie.

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From South Park. I wasn't
familiar with Thalia until

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someone showed the video to me.
Totally. Yeah. And then I was

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like, Oh, I'm not that unique.

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Well, that type of voice is not
unique at all. I mean, it's it's

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a variation of a lot of them. I
mean, it's it sounds somebody

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put sound or like Spongebob but
it's not quite as high pitch.

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No, it's in fact the cadence is
exactly like Tali and I've

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always seen I think totally is
on one episode or something

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going. Don't forget you want to
watch porn?

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Oh, right. It's Holly kid. Yeah.

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No, it's not even a kid. It's
just a towel. Okay, it's a

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towel. And my mom would be so
proud. I'm plagiarising an

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imitation of a towel. That's
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You're not plagiarising.
plagiarising refers to stealing

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the material not the voice. True
people have voices. You sound

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like Bing Crosby. You're not
plagiarising Bing Crosby. Okay,

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good point.

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Thank you for your courage in
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You're welcome. And thank you
for your courage for doing the

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tally voice.

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Thank you for six years of the
no agenda show John, the best

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podcast in the universe. Any
thoughts?

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Yeah, it was been a long six
years.

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I was thinking about I think I
actually verbalise this to miss

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Mickey the other day. What a
strange relationship you and I

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have. Okay, have you ever
considered how weird it really

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is?

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No, no. Not really.

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But well, I don't think a lot of
people realise that. The only

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time we talk is during the show.
And we're not we don't hang out

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while we talk. Yeah, I know.
Because if you're talking to

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some guy for six hours a week,
you really don't need to see him

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much longer than that. When we
do the show, we'd probably can

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can conversate once in a while.

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Not for six hours. No, that's

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what I'm saying. Ever. No, no, I
don't conversate six hours with

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anybody. That's

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my point. Isn't that a weird
relationship? We don't. I mean,

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when the show was over and when
it's done during the week, do

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you ever think of me? No, never.
Exactly. I never think of

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you unless I come up with some
Jim and myself with some kind of

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as I as I kind of wring my hands
and won't have this one. I got

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him

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the bastard. Exactly. We're in
constant competition.

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For that moment. No, this has
just happened. No, he's never

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heard of this.

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Here's my favourite. When I when
I get an email with some

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spectacular analysis or a
fantastic link, I'm like, Oh,

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this is great. And then like,
oh, crappy copy John on it shit.

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Because then I know that you've
seen it.

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Yeah, well, they luckily they
stuff that luckily, this stuff

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sent to us copied to me, but do
the same thing to me. Although

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once in a while, because since I
control the I Am the bottleneck

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when it comes to the some of the
email addresses. Right. Julie,

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someone will just send it to the
no agenda show which goes to my

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box, right. And so then I get
the exclusive rights.

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Yeah, exactly. But don't you
have a moment where you're like,

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you're looking at the emails
like is it Oh, crap he's copied,

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I was checked out right away.

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It's not unique, I hopes up. I
think that, the longer you've

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been in media, and when I first
started out, arguably, I started

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when I was 15 email, but that's
how I was all cute and you know,

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pirate radio and stuff. But I
really I started getting paid

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for it when I was 19. And in the
beginning, you really care what

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people say about your
performance or your show, or,

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you know, I can hear you
chuckling already. As you go

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along,

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like, what am I gonna do? Or,
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know, everyone has something to
say about it. And of course,

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it's so easy to do a show, it's
the easiest thing is just to guy

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all we got to do is get out of
bed and Yap at each other.

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That's nothing else goes.

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What we do. Yeah. That's all it
takes, man. Everybody try it.

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Right. And

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so of course, we make it look
easy. But you know, I've done

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performances, literally for most
of my life. I certainly all of

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my professional life. And as you
get older, you know, and now

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I'm, you know, I've been doing
this for a while, there's very

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few people left, who you whose
opinion about your show you care

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about? And honestly, John, if I
can count mine on one hand,

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you're one of them. And so I
think that's kind of what's

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still magical is that, and this
is the only time that we have we

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have private conversations.
After the show. We never have a

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private conversation before the
show. We're always streaming. So

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just you know, we roll right
into it. But there's always

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a conversation at the end is,
why did you do that? Change the

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direction of the show?

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We literally have 45 seconds of
review. And as usual, here's

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usually how it goes. Don't ever
say that again. We're very

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direct, which I learned from
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actually.

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Well, that's because it keeps
the conversation short. Yeah, it

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does.

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And I've learned so much from
you in that regard.

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Well, you know, let me get you
instead of beating around the

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bush head, let's

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just say it. Let's just get it
out. Let's

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say I have to say when somebody
does that to you, but it's the

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same time you get over it.

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It's yeah, no, you get well it
took me a little while John, I

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have to say the first somewhere
in the first 100 episodes or so

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you went off on me. I don't
remember what after the show,

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and you have your moods, you
know, like everybody and

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sometimes just roll my eyes.
Other times like yeah, he's got

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a real point there. But yeah,
but once I figured out that it

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is so much easier. If you don't
take offence to something and

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just take the information it's
it's it really works people

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should we should write a book
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actually, your wife honey stink

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Well, I don't quite do it with
everybody. And this is one

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particular topic this is one
particular thing that only you

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and I do but I like it. I like
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that much so it's not a big deal
anyway, now it's true. It shows

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so damn good. Always impressed
occasion. Well, I'm not always

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impressed. But once in a while I
go cheese. You know, I I tend to

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learn something from the show. I
think the audience gets a kick

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out of it. They like listening
to our report. And the it's just

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it makes you really understand
what people say why don't I

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can't watch the news the same
way anymore, since we have to be

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tuned into a 24/7 I can see why
you can't watch the news that

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way anymore. Once you start
getting a clue about what

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bullcrap is being propagated by
the corporate media it's It's

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ridiculous. It's kind of a nice
loop and I don't want to be

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uppity about Oh, we're so much
better than them. But it's just

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like company can't they try a
little harder

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and it's kind of a loop that we
get into because we're aware of

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everything 24/7 It irritates all
the time but then we have this

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lovely opportunity to get it off
our chest I'm after the show I'm

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really done done complaining.
I'm okay I don't know about you

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but laning

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is not the same thing that
happens to me probably never

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been done complaining I just a
complainer No but I don't get to

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test once

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I don't get into it with people
that much anymore.

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I just can't you know

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I'm the same way I back off on a
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already know where it's headed
if an argument out you know

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breaks out Yeah. And it's not
pleasant and and we're not

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getting paid.

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Yeah, exactly. Hey, pay me and
I'll talk to you

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we don't get any there's no
right compensation at all for

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getting into a random argument
with somebody. Now am I wasting

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my time with this person arguing
when they don't have the no

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agenda background right well,
sometimes the show and disagreed

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and then I I'm game. So he's

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sometimes you want to you want
to get some information out of

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someone, you can prod them
along, it kind of helps. But I

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agree in general that happened
at Halcyon yesterday. Sir Jean

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was there. Of course, I went
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100% So she's still still at
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house, kinda. Which isn't saying
much. And so after the farmers

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market, you know, had a little
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guys who's there, you know, I'd
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Sergio and I were talking about
ham radio, of course. And this

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guy is like, the NSA is listen
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You know, and I and I was like,
and I kind of got into Do you

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think it's possible that maybe
this isn't just like a single

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whistleblower that maybe there's
more behind this perhaps there's

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other agencies that don't like
the NSA and maybe there's

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internal stuff going on, and
they have the goods and other

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people and politicians and, and
then I just caught myself like,

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crazy. Stop this. I gotta go. I
gotta go. Anyway, all I'd like

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to say on this sixth
anniversary, John is thank you

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for being my partner in this
show. Thank you for putting up

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sometimes with my irrational
behaviour, and Tourette's. And

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above all, thank you for
allowing me to consistently and

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constantly go down to route into
rabbit holes without prejudice.

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Of course, you will mock and
analyse the ones that have come

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out but you've never stopped me
from in fact, you've encouraged

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me to go down many crazy rabbit
holes and there's not a lot of

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people who understand how
important that is, to me

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at least. Well, I have
discouraged an occasion. No, I

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don't think so. Yeah, no, in
that rabbit hole when you were

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in the jumped and down the wrong
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one.

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Yeah, you've never stopped me
from jumping down a hole. No,

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you go into

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a fight you dig? You dig a lot
of stuff up. You're out. You are

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a burrower

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I'm trying to think is there
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Lapidus Lapita Dominus isn't
like the Yeah,

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I found that word, but I
couldn't pronounce it. So I

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skipped it. Is Labrador.

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No, rabbit. genus.

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genus is that the is that the
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it's not a mammal. Is it a
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No, it's a rodent? I think.

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I am a road into truth.

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Oh, here's one. Here's an
interesting name for let me get

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this thing that come up.
Rabbits. There's no There's why

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the other mammals obviously, the
small students who was a rat.

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They're small mammals in the
family. Laporta day, and the

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order our Lego Morpha found in
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are eight different genera I
think that's the correct

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pronunciation to classify as
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rabbit, or, or Rick toe legis.
cunnilingus. No, no, no. Wrong.

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Tail rabbits genus. So it's
somebody who's a rabid guy goes,

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you know, can you just can you
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Joan. Just

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just take the compliment. Let's
move on. Who cares if he cares

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about the rabbits anymore? And I
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Morpha.

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the producers of this programme,
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female rabbit is a dough.

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caught on very early, after we
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real work and we need to be paid
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you the person who was listening
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contributed financially or the
information or both? We have

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quite an interesting array of
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the programme. Certainly the
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over the years man we've had a
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characters and the talents that
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have been a part of the show it
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is part of the show. In fact,
they are the producers this

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word, and I give you credit for
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that because they contribute to
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monetarily a lot of them don't
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also contribute ideas and
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and real facts. So occasionally
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occasionally a lot of insiders
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essentially have put together a
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We are the Rubicon, we are the
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we're a we're developing an
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our listeners, executive
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Should we roll right into our
execs and then move on with the

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show we have

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a lot of obviously this is the
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going to be as dense with
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thank yous. But let's thank our
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which is 560 and starting right
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there are 4k. What's his name of
his company? 4k TVs didn't put

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it in this note. I've got it.
Pick it up. Duca Silicon Valley,

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David Foley who came in with
apparently a 555 membership plus

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a six six celebrating six years
of the best podcasting

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University writes for K
special.com. Yes for K

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special.com Wishing you
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another six years of no agenda.
And he came up with $1,225.66

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which was a very generous in his
heart.

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And what was it oh, this is a
559 membership and a huge sack

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of sixes so he also is six My
goodness Wow,

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we got 12345 Huge sacks of sixes
including James pirates in

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Escondido, California. Six Six
thanks for the best podcast in

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the universe longtime listener
first time contributor on my way

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to knighthood please de
douchebag Oh no, please

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douchebag the NSA and give karma
to Sinclair, Ed and Chris

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okay. And I say and here's the
karma. You've got karma.

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Keep up the fantastic work. We
need more like you just that

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don't just drink the Kool Aid we
are given blow in Russian

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hookers for all as long as the
carbon is taxed. Dennis Stephens

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or Stevens but it's probably
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Colorado. Thank you both for
your courage. It's been about a

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year since I donate so I thought
it'd be a great time to provide

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the best podcast in the universe
of value for value Dennis

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Stephens Parker, Colorado at
Parker tech guy this will take

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me over the $1,000 mark. I would
like to be known as the Mile

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High Knight. Thanks for all you
do. We need more we need you now

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more than ever. Here's to at
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ever have you? Are you remember
the Mile High Club? I wish I am.

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Oh, good for you. Yeah. Virgin
Atlantic.

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Not in the bathroom either. Oh,
no. Virgin Atlantic that

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is what if you're not in the
bathroom seems risky. No, no,

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they use you can't do it
anymore. But we didn't Did the

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purpose

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of the sixth anniversary show is
not for you. Right. Okay, I'm

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sorry. You have because you
should be at the ready with a

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theme

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with a theme.

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Yeah, button. You push a button.

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You're right. I suck. Here we
go. Ah, yes. I'm sorry, John. I

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was too occupied with my Mile
High Club performance. Yes.

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Thank you for reminding me.

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Else blockers 666 that six sixes
in Belgium. ITM gentlemen, happy

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sixth anniversary, I hope is a
good omen. The 666 reference for

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you both for all and for all
Knights and Dames are the

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greatest podcast in universe.
Thank you for your courage. Yes,

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indeed. Thank you, sir. Sir.
Grand Duke Stephen pals mockers

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of Belgium and France.

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Yes, he has Belgium and France
we can't overlook that fact. A

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Baron sir Dr. Sharkey in
Jackson, Tennessee. 60 666 Dots

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six six C P and B case sending a
super stack of sixes on Sunday

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spectacular sixth anniversary
special I suspect the show be

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full of surprises scandals, and
six sexy cynicism without a

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snippet of saccharin
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That's pretty good. Actually
that took that took some time to

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put that together.

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It sincerely Baron sir Dr.
Sharkey. Please give karma to

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both your families for allowing
us to listen to you

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and that's a good point. I think
we should thank our families as

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well for putting up with us.
You've got karma honey, Trust

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me. Trust me. This show will pay
the rent one day.

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David Julian 333 33 in Morgan
Hill, California Happy

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Anniversary blue reflect your
fire hydrant no agenda.

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I love this David. Julian you're
crazy.

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You are nuts.

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I love it. So so you know
somewhere that some guys sitting

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in a shack with with your with
headphones ongoing? Yes. Third

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time blue reflector fire
hydrant.

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Simon Boyd 330 333 in Perth,
which I've never been to I

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gratulations guys on years of
solid and relevant news,

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deconstruction recently upped my
game to 333 33 from 1111 a month

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if there's any boarding passes
left, please put me down. Maybe

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they will have fridges that
order Milk, milk and beer from

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there. Forget forgot to donate
the show for 20 So here's some

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value. Oh, I get it. So there's
some value in Perth for 20 some

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karma for all thanks. Simon
Perth, West oz. PS there's a new

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jingle suggestion. It could be
good as a duo without harmonica

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enhancements devora.org
insolvent slaves you must pay.

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I think we gotta think we got to
work.

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Give him a farmer. He needs one.
Absolutely. You've got karma. To

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get to Australia we have Gavin
bowed in Sydney to 7270 Obeah

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Associate Executive Producer
Happy anniversary, John and Adam

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and thank you for your courage.
It's been long since my last

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donation so please kind of have
a deep douching Yes, we'll

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do that in a moment.

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I have enclosed 666 for both of
you and a double 6969 One for me

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and one for all the other
supporters I've heard that na

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karma works and and I need all
the love life help I can get at

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the moment so please fire some
love life girlfriend karma my

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way. Anyway, gents, keep up the
awesome work and keep being

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phenomenal. For all our sakes.

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Wow. I don't know what I can do
with compliments. pretty

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hardcore. You've been de dmsc
Where's the word? I leave the

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somewhere I have the girlfriend
karma. Ah yes, here it is.

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You've got karma Veritas love
life girlfriend karma.

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Anthony garland girl and Downers
Grove, Illinois. To 10 Heil

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guardians of reality and Friday
the firewall thank you for your

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courage as promised, as say hi
again. Hi. That one broke up. As

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promised there's a little
tribute courtesy of my recent

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wedding please note the amount
to 10 which is 21 times 10 to 21

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a winning score in a game of
cornhole etc. And the 10 Well,

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that just puts in the Associate
Producer range. There are no

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objections. I would like to dub
this the cornhole darn donation

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and request to hear the cornhole
recipe for success jingle.

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Whenever someone donates this
amount. Oh, he's trying to say,

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Ah, you setting it up. I get it.
So anyone who donates to 10 they

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want you to play that idiotic
clip tonight.

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It's the cornhole recipe for
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Ah yeah,

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if you can find it yeah, nice
reminded Adams getting some gigs

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outside of the no agenda show.
Keep up the great work. Yes, I'm

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going to combine that I think
with a Karma someone's getting

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cornhole today. Sounds like a
recipe for success. Not karma.

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That's not you. I don't know who
is Diana hole Saint saint. Once

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you say that sounds like a
recipe for success. Let me just

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say it.

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That sounds like a recipe for
success to me. Kisses, same guy.

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Selling cornhole today. Sounds
like a recipe for success to me.

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Wow. And finally, Diane Holst
$200.33, she's in FEMA Region

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seven. All right, also Iowa. And
I do have a note from her and

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let me go

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it's just one of these women who
are just shocked about the

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sexism on the show.

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No, most of the women aren't
shocked about the sexism on the

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show. There's only newbies that
come along are noobs noobs,

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noobs, noobs. These new just
because they've never heard a

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freewheeling show where you can
just say whatever we are the

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freewheelers There you go. We
don't have people taking our

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advertising money away because
we say something that may appear

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to be sexist when is mostly
observant. Yes, I've been

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exposed. I thought I was a
casual listener. But when it was

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pointed out to me that I see
that I knew the NA jingles and

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inside jokes, oh, there was
nowhere to hide. Please accept

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this donation and my apologies.
So she is I don't know what to

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do what the subtext is, but
apparently she sounds like her

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man or something. No, it sounds
like she had to admit this to

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herself. Oh, okay. She's like
probably grousing about this

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show. And this is one of my
thinking. I get I'm getting it

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all wrong. And then so she
donated and became an Associate

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Executive Producer for show 560.
We do have a show coming up on

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Thursday. And we want to
continue we'll continue the

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celebration on Thursday, if
enough people are interested or

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didn't get in on time and I
think some people missed the

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deadline. And so good to know
agenda show.com no agenda

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nation.com but mainly divorced
that org slash and and channel

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direct.com/naagin and jump on
the donation bandwagon. Let's

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keep this going.

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Yeah, for another six years at
least at forex.org/and, a two

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quick PR mentions, which is kind
of fun on this show. We got an

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email from BU. Hey, Adam. After
a year at my publishing company,

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I finally wormed my way into the
office with the deciders on need

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some echo for that. The signers
I have convinced them to launch

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a beer si P. Are you familiar
with this term? The with the

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acronym S IP?

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Sip? Yeah. Special under the
Internet Protocol, special

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interest publication?

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It's always like SIG. What's
that special interest group?

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Degas? Well, that we're
relatively small, we have

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expansive distribution, aka
Walmart, etc. So we will be able

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to do something of value that
people will actually get to see.

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Here's the opportunity. No one
around here knows spit about

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suds. If you could reach out to
our no agenda Brewer squad, I

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can infiltrate the magazine with
no agenda freelance writers

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provided they are willing to be
underpaid, underappreciated, but

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with the opportunity to suddenly
slip in, it's to the mouth on it

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to a national audience. I would
also like to be in touch with

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these guys, if nothing else to
pick their brains about what

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they would like to see in a beer
magazine. So send me an email

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I'll forward it on to to our to
our ACIP publisher. I think

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that's kind of cool. As a
promotional opportunity.

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Yeah, well, you know, we tried
to do stuff with the beers

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before and it just didn't work
out and we was one of these dead

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ends we do this occasionally we
come up with some idea and then

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you know, we get a bunch of beer
in the mail and with all kinds

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of crazy instructions you got to
put the beer aside for two

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months and

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three hours that's something I
didn't get out

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of that box it was so
complicated.

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instructions aren't just open
top consume no no

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You gotta Oh no drinking at
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On the third day, barometric
pressure, the 30th of the month,

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not not before midnight, like
it's Satan's I grew.

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So I do want to make good on our
buddy in Reykjavik. Break up big

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IO. Because they wanted a
Reykjavik IO one a day. A calm I

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want to give them a karma.

447
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:37,890
Okay, this is from Thursday show
something we messed up.

448
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,580
Well, yeah, it was long
complicated note and

449
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,880
Okay, is this the mate good?
Just like it was a long

450
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,880
complicated No, but we just
gonna give them a karma. Is that

451
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,010
it? Yeah. Okay, good. You've got
karma.

452
00:27:55,170 --> 00:27:58,050
And then the most important
thing, yes.

453
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And then somewhere in the about
Reykjavik, io

454
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and the whole thing and then
talking about my stories about

455
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Reykjavik about the women, about
the women in Reykjavik.

456
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:13,230
And then there's one more link
in the PR show notes, which I

457
00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:16,650
think might come up later during
the donation segment. But just

458
00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:21,930
in case, the brand new no
agenda, no agenda droid app for

459
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Android. Yeah, right. Right.
Right, which there's a that's in

460
00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:31,470
the Play Store, which apparently
has quite a lot going on. With

461
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:33,570
show notes, and everything is in
there.

462
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,630
Yeah, purely you get the show
notes across this app, and the

463
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whole thing, which would be kind
of interesting. We encourage

464
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this sort of thing we do indeed.

465
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And of course, thank you again,
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466
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469
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470
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473
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474
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475
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476
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what he makes always. So will we
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477
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478
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479
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when you go out there and
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480
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481
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mouth

482
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
All right. So you got anything?
Yeah, I

483
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,040
got a number of things.
Actually, I

484
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:07,890
know you. You're the one that
went and watched that crazy

485
00:30:07,890 --> 00:30:11,670
thing where the only thing I got
was this one clip from this

486
00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:13,800
douchebag from I think this is
the

487
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:17,760
this is the healthcare that four
hours of healthcare.gov

488
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,570
testimony.

489
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:21,930
Yeah, I got the monkey court
thing.

490
00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:26,070
Yeah. Playing. Okay. I didn't
even clip that one. But yeah.

491
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,890
Because I think we should start
with that monkey court.

492
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,550
Congressman, and then I think
that sets the stage for your

493
00:30:32,670 --> 00:30:34,590
deeper analysis. Yeah. So

494
00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:37,320
this is just to reiterate this
would this was taking place

495
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,310
during Thursday's show there was
a congressional hearing about

496
00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:47,550
the the botched launch of
healthcare.gov the signature

497
00:30:47,580 --> 00:30:52,710
legislation doorway the doorway
to the signature legislation of

498
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:56,490
this administration, which is
just not working and so they had

499
00:30:56,490 --> 00:31:00,330
the the consultants up there in
the in the witness box, and

500
00:31:00,330 --> 00:31:01,800
everyone was grilling him and

501
00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:05,370
so once again, here we have my
Republican colleagues trying to

502
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:08,280
scare everybody where the
gentleman you know, I will not

503
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,100
yield to this monkey court or
whatever this thing is, is not a

504
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:15,450
monkey, cool. Whatever you want.
I had not yielding. Was this.

505
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:18,630
Just a guy from Illinois, and I
didn't unfortunately wrote his

506
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:19,650
name down on the back of it. Let

507
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:22,920
me just say, I, because I've
seen this clip on television.

508
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,270
I've heard it for the first time
like, this guy is so gay. Oh,

509
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:31,200
you think I didn't know I
didn't, not until now. Just let

510
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,090
me just hit this again. Let me
just say this again about this

511
00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:37,410
monkey cart. So once again, once
again, this. This is good. My

512
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:40,950
God. He's bitching. And here we
have publican colleagues, Trump

513
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:44,880
Republicans who hate gays, the
hate gays trying to scare

514
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,320
everybody. No, I will not yield
to this monkey corner. whatever

515
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,250
this thing is not.

516
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,710
I think it's a banana republic
or a monkey cool. I've never

517
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:58,800
heard the term monkey court.
This is like such. What is he

518
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,200
confused with these confused
with banana republic root

519
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,760
kangaroo court? Monkey? Oh,
whatever they say in Australia,

520
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,650
where the where the surfers are
really hot lookin? Wow. Yeah,

521
00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:15,210
that was a low point. I thought
the absolute low, low low point.

522
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:16,980
Yeah, it was that's what
everyone clipped.

523
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:19,950
So I was actually going to take
you in in a different direction.

524
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:23,220
But now let's stick with this.
Because I dropped into a whole

525
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:27,510
different thing. Once I hit the
C span and was surfing around,

526
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:34,920
on C span, C span, c dash span,
video.org, I think, or even on

527
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,540
the regular C span, you can make
clips of pieces of the

528
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:43,590
legislation. And I'm so proud of
some of our producers who are

529
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:47,280
just sending me links. And if
they pre clip it, you can put a

530
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,500
description in there, it's
actually it's really quite a

531
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:51,420
good little piece of
functionality. They've got there

532
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:55,200
for an otherwise horrific
experience of online video

533
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,340
because C span.org really is
shit. When it comes to the the

534
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:03,240
video itself. You know, it
restarts it does all kinds of

535
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,400
stuff. You could but the
searching on the on the

536
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,180
transcript, it really is a great
resource. I'm very, very pleased

537
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:11,730
that the cable industry does
that for us, because we're

538
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:13,380
probably the only people using
it.

539
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,920
I'm sure we're close to being
the only one.

540
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:20,700
So I'll take you down that other
hole in a second. As I get the

541
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,700
kind of found a couple of
things. I was kind of all over

542
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:28,620
the map. The first thing that
you may or may not have seen was

543
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:32,790
just a separate bit of Kathleen
Sebelius who got berated for

544
00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:33,990
saying the following

545
00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:38,550
no, and no one has been fired.
My My goal is to actually get

546
00:33:38,550 --> 00:33:43,710
the website up and running. Have
you people who

547
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:48,210
are calling for you to resign?
Well, the majority of people

548
00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:51,330
calling for me to resign, I
would say are people who I don't

549
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:51,990
work for.

550
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,190
Yeah. Yeah, that's just not a
good thing to say that's gonna

551
00:33:56,190 --> 00:34:00,210
come back and haunt her for a
long time. Yes. Like using you

552
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:03,960
people. Yeah. I don't want to
work for these people. Now you

553
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,010
work for the public. You work
for you work for the people,

554
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:12,990
lady. Okay. So I was I'll roll
you into this with kind of an

555
00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:16,560
obvious statement. This is one
of the witnesses. His name is

556
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,260
Slavitt. He's from one of the
consulting companies. It really

557
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:24,180
doesn't matter who has what
piece but he's from QSS. i And

558
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:27,330
he did a an end to end tests

559
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:28,800
at the government website and

560
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,590
Slavitt did you personally try
and get onto the system? Yes, I

561
00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:35,400
did. And what for what state? I
attempted. I think I put in

562
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,910
Texas. Is that where you from?
I'm not but I was just testing

563
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:43,350
the system. What did work? Well,
I logged on to create an account

564
00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:47,460
was able to do so. I just never
received a confirmation email.

565
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:49,380
So it didn't work. Didn't work.

566
00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:53,400
I was thinking about that. Do
you? I mean, I don't know if

567
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,450
these guys have any idea what it
takes to even get that piece of

568
00:34:57,450 --> 00:35:01,590
a process right confirmation
emails. With the way email was

569
00:35:01,590 --> 00:35:05,340
run these days today have an
agreement with it with Hotmail

570
00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:09,420
and with Gmail and with Yahoo
mail to let all this stuff

571
00:35:09,420 --> 00:35:12,720
through and not throw it into
promotion, tabs, doubtful.

572
00:35:13,110 --> 00:35:17,610
Doubtful. Okay, so this, this
comes down to one, Issue four

573
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:21,780
hours of testimony, it really
comes down to one thing that

574
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:25,290
took place one thing that
happened already, it has been

575
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:32,310
picked up as a political move
and, and is being used against

576
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:36,630
the administration. I'm not too
sure, but it certainly smells a

577
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:39,600
lot like smoke coming out of the
gun. And this has to do when you

578
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,990
have a big project like this,
the main thing everyone's on the

579
00:35:42,990 --> 00:35:47,040
lookout for is a change order.
And you can have a change order,

580
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:51,270
which should be simple across
the board that says, okay, the

581
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:54,690
style has changed, we have a
different background. Or you can

582
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:58,800
have a change order that can be
you know, if it goes into direct

583
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,520
functionality, it can affect a
lot and change orders are

584
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,460
written into these contracts,
you know, hey, if you give us a

585
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:10,020
change order, within X amount of
time before the due date, then

586
00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:12,900
all bets are off risk is yours.
And you'll probably wind up

587
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:16,020
paying by the hour for us to fix
anything that doesn't work at

588
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:17,730
the last minute. Would you
agree? That's kind of how it

589
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:19,740
works, John, on these big
integration projects,

590
00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:22,710
I think that would be sounds
right to me. So

591
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,860
apparently, some change orders
came in

592
00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:30,180
to to make this programme
function function efficiently

593
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:33,690
and effectively. And I urge my
colleagues to work with us. And

594
00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:36,780
let's work with these witnesses
to get it right. Thank you. I

595
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:38,940
yield. I'm sorry, I shouldn't
click. Here we go.

596
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:41,430
Thank you. Thank you for being
here. Today. I have a series of

597
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:42,120
quick questions. That

598
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,460
would be fun if one of them said
thank you for your courage but

599
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:44,880
never

600
00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:50,520
like to get to Miss Campbell,
how many change orders have you

601
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,510
received by estimate and either
formally or informally leading

602
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:58,830
up to the launch? In the end,
what the what function that they

603
00:36:58,830 --> 00:36:59,820
wanted you to perform?

604
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,480
We've received approximately
eight change orders

605
00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:05,190
a change orders one was the most
recent,

606
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:10,800
I believe as recent as August of
this year.

607
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:15,210
That's Mr. Slab it? I don't know
the answer to that. But I think

608
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:20,430
it was a low number, if any. I
don't know the answer. Okay. Is

609
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:24,330
are you both making changes now
with code in order to fix any of

610
00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:28,680
the so called glitches or non
performance issues? Campbell yes

611
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:28,950
or no?

612
00:37:29,129 --> 00:37:30,119
That would be yes.

613
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,860
Yes, we make modifications along
the way. Sure. Great, and how

614
00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:38,760
many organisational boundaries
between the piece of information

615
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,670
travelling from the United
States government to the web

616
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:45,060
portal? How many boundaries? How
many organisational boundaries,

617
00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,690
including the states and their
access to information? Does that

618
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:50,250
piece of information cross?

619
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,040
I'd have to get back to you with
that answer. It's given. So I'm

620
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,190
not

621
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:56,340
quite sure about this. This
guy's at Rogers, I think it was

622
00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:58,770
asking the questions. But he was
very good. And he knew exactly

623
00:37:58,770 --> 00:38:01,770
what he was what he was driving
towards knew exactly what to ask

624
00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:07,470
next, because the most important
change order that took place was

625
00:38:07,470 --> 00:38:11,730
the change from allowing someone
to come into healthcare.gov and

626
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:17,010
browse around and look at
different plans, anonymously, as

627
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:20,040
they say, or let's just call it
window shopping without

628
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,270
registering, there was a last
minute change order that forced

629
00:38:24,270 --> 00:38:29,400
everyone to register. Now in
some pieces of this, of this

630
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,640
implementation, which is large
across multiple systems, it's a

631
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,930
very small change. But of
course, when it comes to load,

632
00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:42,660
and, you know, just general
stress on the on the systems on

633
00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:46,800
the back end, that is, of course
a massive change. And that came

634
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:49,830
at the very last moment, and
there is some speculation as to

635
00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:51,360
why that happened. And did the
White

636
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,710
House ever order order your
company for political reasons to

637
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:59,700
mass the sticker shock of
Obamacare by disabling this

638
00:38:59,730 --> 00:39:01,440
anonymous shopper function?

639
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,100
So let me answer two things.
One, I don't believe that

640
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:10,650
members of CGI actually made
those statements directly in the

641
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:13,890
in that manner. I think they may
have been taken out of context,

642
00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:16,800
but I think they I'd have to get
back to you with confirmation of

643
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,940
that. And to my knowledge, no,
the White House has not given us

644
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:22,920
direct instructions. There you
go.

645
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,900
So this is what happened. And I
think I have a clip where they

646
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:30,240
both say, Oh, I have no idea but
to

647
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,980
to make this programme, this one
here.

648
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:37,500
Before we go on. There was
somebody did manage to get to

649
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,200
that page that they're talking
about trying to get people to

650
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,690
avoid looking at and I have a
copy of it somewhere.

651
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,280
I have a copy of the
spreadsheet.

652
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:47,550
I mean, this spreadsheet shows
all these crazy prices. Yeah.

653
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:49,170
Holy mackerel.

654
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:52,950
Well, so there's a lot of things
happening in the insurance

655
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:57,210
world. CBS I have to say is
actually reporting pretty

656
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:04,350
forthright about the The not
just the website, but also

657
00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:07,050
what's taking place with the
Affordable Care Act itself. And

658
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:09,660
existing insurances Have a
listen,

659
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,470
the Affordable Care Act was
signed by the President in 2010.

660
00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:17,790
And since then he has repeated
one reassuring phrase,

661
00:40:18,209 --> 00:40:22,139
if you like your insurance plan,
you will keep it. No one will be

662
00:40:22,139 --> 00:40:23,279
able to take that away from you.

663
00:40:23,309 --> 00:40:26,759
But it is happening. The
President's health care law

664
00:40:26,759 --> 00:40:29,849
raises the standards for
insurance policies, which many

665
00:40:29,849 --> 00:40:33,809
consider to be a good thing. But
hundreds of 1000s of Americans

666
00:40:33,809 --> 00:40:36,989
whose policies don't meet the
new standards are being told

667
00:40:36,989 --> 00:40:39,389
that their health plans are
being cancelled.

668
00:40:39,419 --> 00:40:44,759
Before I had a plan that I had a
$1,500 deductible, I paid $199 a

669
00:40:44,759 --> 00:40:47,519
month, the most similar plan
that I would have available to

670
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:53,219
me would be $278 a month, my
deductible would be $6,500. And

671
00:40:53,459 --> 00:40:56,639
all of my care after that point
would only be covered 70%. So

672
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,609
now I'm being forced to choose
from a bunch of new plans that I

673
00:40:59,609 --> 00:41:01,829
don't want to choose from,
they're all more expensive. So

674
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:06,269
what's happening is, a lot of
the existing plans are being

675
00:41:06,269 --> 00:41:10,679
cancelled. And this is happening
under the fine print in any

676
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:13,709
insurance policy that says,
Well, you know, if government

677
00:41:13,709 --> 00:41:15,719
says it has to be something
else, we'll cancel, and then

678
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,839
we'll create a new plan. And
it's funny, because I had to

679
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:22,019
pick up some meds for and I hate
saying that. I don't know why I

680
00:41:22,019 --> 00:41:26,099
said medication for Miss Mickey.
And I went to the people's

681
00:41:26,099 --> 00:41:31,409
pharmacy, and we the insurance
that I have had been changed. I

682
00:41:31,409 --> 00:41:35,399
got new cards on September 30.
And it's actually it's the same

683
00:41:35,399 --> 00:41:40,229
number, but it's a new card.
And, you know, so I'm excited.

684
00:41:40,229 --> 00:41:42,479
It all sounds like Yes, that'll
be $90 that will doesn't

685
00:41:42,479 --> 00:41:44,339
insurance pay for it? No, no,
your insurance has been

686
00:41:44,339 --> 00:41:48,929
cancelled. And, of course, I
knew that was just an

687
00:41:48,929 --> 00:41:51,869
administrative issue. And it
took me about 45 minutes to

688
00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:56,279
figure it out. But the ease with
which it was said to me told me

689
00:41:56,279 --> 00:41:59,249
that this is happening a lot.
Like it's the most normal, I

690
00:41:59,249 --> 00:42:01,589
don't know, your insurance got
cancelled. Like it's the most

691
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:05,069
normal thing in the world, the
way this is, is is thrown out.

692
00:42:05,729 --> 00:42:09,089
So I think it is taking place. I
think that this that,

693
00:42:09,449 --> 00:42:13,439
ironically, where a lot of
people have been trying to bring

694
00:42:13,439 --> 00:42:17,159
down this White House, they've
really brought the wrath upon

695
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,959
themselves with this idiocy. And
here's the piece of testimony,

696
00:42:22,139 --> 00:42:25,409
where we find out that no one
really quite knows where this

697
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,429
last change order came from at
the very last minute, which

698
00:42:29,429 --> 00:42:33,389
indeed changed the anonymous
browsing of prices and plans to

699
00:42:33,389 --> 00:42:36,899
a registered process. And in
fact, not just registered to

700
00:42:36,899 --> 00:42:40,979
browse them, but a lot more to
it. But no one really knows who

701
00:42:41,009 --> 00:42:44,309
gave the order. Except there
seems to have been some kind of

702
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:47,369
meeting at the White House.
gentleman from Pennsylvania, Dr.

703
00:42:47,369 --> 00:42:47,819
Murphy.

704
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,660
Thank you, Miss Campbell, when
healthcare.gov went live on

705
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:56,460
October 1, it was not possible
to browse the site. In order to

706
00:42:56,460 --> 00:42:59,550
see the prices you had to
register. Who made that

707
00:42:59,550 --> 00:43:00,090
decision?

708
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:05,850
A CMS made that decision within
CMS. I can I don't have the

709
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:11,640
exact name of the person. i If I
might, I would say Henry Chow,

710
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:13,590
from CMS.

711
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:17,070
And are you aware of any White
House involvement in that

712
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:18,030
decision process?

713
00:43:18,149 --> 00:43:21,329
I am not. Okay. So what
challenges

714
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:25,260
arise when you switch a website
where individuals can browse to

715
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:29,760
one just browse versus one where
you first have to register? does

716
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,380
this require a substantial
amount of work?

717
00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:37,530
Well, it's it definitely puts a
different additional burden on

718
00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:38,070
the system.

719
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,400
Do you have to write a new code
to make that happen? Well,

720
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:44,820
well, for us to turn it off, it
was just putting a flag in our

721
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:47,340
system to not allow for
anonymous data.

722
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:50,730
And how much more time does this
then take them to test a system

723
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:52,770
like that once you've made those
kinds of decisions?

724
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:56,910
It just became part of the
normal testing process.

725
00:43:57,569 --> 00:43:59,519
But you never tested the whole
system, right?

726
00:44:00,690 --> 00:44:02,400
CGI did not okay.

727
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,160
No. Mr. Slavitt. When were you
aware? When were you made aware

728
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,680
of the decision that the website
would not allow browsing and

729
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,740
would require registration
first. We weren't made aware of

730
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:16,920
this until the final days prior
to the launch that final day has

731
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,870
been what day? Was I believe it
was within 10 days. Do you know

732
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:24,990
who made that decision? I don't
know. I don't know what made the

733
00:44:24,990 --> 00:44:27,930
decision. We don't know when the
decision was made. And we don't

734
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:32,820
know why the decision was. And
you were but it was someone from

735
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:35,520
CMS HMS the administration, the
White House, do you have any

736
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,740
idea? We don't know? Yeah, we

737
00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:42,960
don't know. Okay. So now it's I
think it's Darryl Eisah. Who is

738
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,780
who was you know, of course
digging down as deep as

739
00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:48,540
possible. And I think it's
plausible. I think it's very

740
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:51,030
plausible. Having looked at that
at that spreadsheet and having

741
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:54,390
heard what's happened, what's
taking place. It appears to me

742
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:56,880
John, and maybe you have a
different feeling but the

743
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,480
insurance industry of course,
which is which is the Financial

744
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,350
Industry insurance is finance
Warren Buffett, big insurer, you

745
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:07,350
know the money guys are all in
insurance. This is this is where

746
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:11,070
it big, big money goes. So it's
not just it's not I

747
00:45:11,070 --> 00:45:15,060
also mentioned that Obama's
number one grant contributors,

748
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:17,550
this is an insurance scam. This
is what I'm about to say, which

749
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:21,090
is why he didn't go single payer
when he had this house. I don't

750
00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:23,370
think he when he got elected
president, he expected to have

751
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:27,360
the House and the Senate with a
sick with a supermajority in the

752
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,870
Senate, US Senate, where he
could have ramrodded anything

753
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:34,740
through because he had the, you
know, 2008 when he was elected,

754
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:37,980
he had the public was way behind
him. And he could have said

755
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:41,370
we're going to do single payer
socialised medicine. Vote yes,

756
00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:44,820
let's do it, and they would have
passed it but no, he stalled. It

757
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:47,910
didn't want to do that because
he's not he doesn't want that he

758
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:50,730
wants the insurance companies to
he wants the he needs to pay

759
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:51,330
them back.

760
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,630
And I think that he or it's not
fair to say he I think that the

761
00:45:57,630 --> 00:46:01,620
President and his Chicago Cabal,
including Valerie Jarrett, and

762
00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:05,880
all the sky represents the
ghetto that they did not expect

763
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:10,050
the insurance company to fuck
them. I'm telling you,

764
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,210
they I'm sure you might be
right. They probably say they

765
00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:15,930
thought you had a fight song and
dance. Go with this. You're

766
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:19,650
gonna be it's gonna be the right
name is gonna be attached to it.

767
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:20,640
It's Obamacare.

768
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:25,050
Exactly. And then they turn
around and they shove it to him.

769
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,510
They really are. I mean, they're
really, really screwing him. And

770
00:46:30,510 --> 00:46:33,600
of course, the American public
at the same time. Yeah,

771
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,050
well, this woman who said she
had $199 A month plan, they gave

772
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:40,260
her all these benefits. And now
it's 270 bucks, and she doesn't

773
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:42,630
have any of the benefits. She's
got higher deductible,

774
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:47,880
everything going does cost a lot
more. My son's fiancee Jesse was

775
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:52,680
had insurance. And then for him,
she's working at a cheesemaking

776
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,760
operation. And she lost her
insurance because she went to go

777
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,160
do something else. And so she
had to take in, you've heard of

778
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,410
Cobra. Yes. Which is extremely
expensive kind of a bridge.

779
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,830
Yeah. That's it for 60 days or
90 days or 90 days

780
00:47:07,830 --> 00:47:11,070
a cobra and you can extend it,
but it's extremely expensive. So

781
00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:14,310
if you have some health care
provider and you're working for

782
00:47:14,310 --> 00:47:18,690
a company, they offer you Cobra,
which keeps it going because

783
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:21,120
there's something about that way
you can kind of it's all bull

784
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,370
crap because that we can kind of
stretch it just like you're

785
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:25,020
still working, you're still
getting insurance. They didn't

786
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:28,020
get a different plan and, and
it's all kosher. It's it's, it's

787
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:29,550
a bogus situation, whatever.

788
00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:33,570
Consolidated, Omnibus Budget
Reconciliation Act.

789
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:37,410
Yes. And it's extremely
expensive. She got Cobra and

790
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:40,710
then she looked at the
Obamacare. It was it was 30

791
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:43,680
bucks less than Cobra, which is
the most overpriced thing in the

792
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,370
world. She was just a gas at the
get the call, she can't afford

793
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:47,850
it. No.

794
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:55,020
No, it's and the deductibles are
up to $5,000 It's, it's quite

795
00:47:55,020 --> 00:48:01,020
insane. So and, and a part of
this, and this is why this zines

796
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:03,960
guy and when we have one of our
producers stack from was in the

797
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,370
Chicago area you want he goes
down a rabbit hole and comes out

798
00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:12,510
in Australia and goes where's
the rabbit. But he the stuff

799
00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:15,930
that he digs up and passes along
it's quite refreshing. Uh, he

800
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:21,570
sent me a link to a story from
2000 July 2010. And there we see

801
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:25,800
all smiling we have Jeff
resigns, he's the guy has been

802
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,860
brought into to fix it. He was
the Chief Performance Officer of

803
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:33,210
the US government remember
OLALIA along with vet Qudra,

804
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,570
Chief Information Officer and
any show Oprah, Assistant to the

805
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:39,810
President and Chief Technology
Officer. These were the guys who

806
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:45,180
put the dashboard, the IT
dashboard in place who were all

807
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:51,450
about all about health care and
and automating it and the data.

808
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:54,060
And then and this is Todd Park,
who was our current chief

809
00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:57,900
technology officer who somehow
is not mentioned anywhere who

810
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:02,550
came from Health and Human
Services. In his role as health

811
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:05,460
and in at Health and Human
Services. You serve as a change

812
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:11,100
agent and entrepreneur in
residence, helping HHS harness

813
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:16,140
the power of data technology and
innovation to provide to improve

814
00:49:16,140 --> 00:49:19,230
the health of the nation. This
is on the whitehouse.gov

815
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:26,160
biography page. He by the way is
the founder of Athena health

816
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:26,550
care

817
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:29,220
oh I did not know that yes.

818
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:34,230
And check this out. So remember,
last year or the year before

819
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:39,720
they had the healthcare data
palooza? Yeah I vaguely remember

820
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:42,330
and there and it was like
everyone's excited. This is

821
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:46,320
essentially a place for these
these consultants and insurance

822
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,570
companies. And anyone who's
associated with what is it the

823
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:58,740
ABC co What is it the home on
the Papa doesn't even that that

824
00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:03,390
drinking club we talk about The
American business whatever it is

825
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:08,670
the thing that that they they do
science is a part of Yeah. So

826
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:11,790
you know that's like it's a big
consultant meeting. And park of

827
00:50:11,790 --> 00:50:15,270
course is speaking at it. And I
go look at the at the page and

828
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:21,960
there's a 2014 conference coming
up on a second I bring up the

829
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,460
link here health data, data
palooza. Number one sponsor

830
00:50:27,330 --> 00:50:33,390
Athenahealth. The guys own
company is sponsoring this crap.

831
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:39,689
So this guy is the CTO, he was a
Apparently, he's been in the

832
00:50:39,689 --> 00:50:43,889
government as a CTO since 2009.
To tar and feather this guy,

833
00:50:43,919 --> 00:50:47,519
this is the CTO of the US
Department of Health and Human

834
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,609
Services before he became the
chief technology officer of the

835
00:50:50,609 --> 00:50:55,469
United States. How come this guy
is not being grilled? Shouldn't

836
00:50:55,469 --> 00:50:57,299
he have something to do with
this?

837
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,330
Should I tell you why I think I
think this guy has power. I

838
00:51:00,330 --> 00:51:00,570
think

839
00:51:00,930 --> 00:51:04,410
that's a possibility. But the
other thing is this job is

840
00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:08,040
bullcrap. It's a waste of the
taxpayers money they he doesn't

841
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,120
do anything. No, he's not he's
got no job at all. This is just

842
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,050
a pick up pay off. What did a
nice job forever do? He went

843
00:51:16,050 --> 00:51:19,710
around from place to place and
gave speeches? Yep. Now this is

844
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:22,170
a disaster. This whole thing?
What would the play? Yeah, I

845
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:23,490
want to hear it ice as to say,

846
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,310
Oh, I don't have no ice. I
wasn't there. I don't have ice

847
00:51:26,310 --> 00:51:26,580
it. Oh,

848
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:30,150
I thought I said was it there?
Oh, no, no, no ice is taking

849
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:35,430
is taking meetings with these
consultants digging in. And

850
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:37,950
everyone knows it. But no one
knows. That's why they're asking

851
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:41,220
these consultants will what?
What did you find out? What does

852
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:44,520
Eisah know that? We don't know?
Did this order come from the

853
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,250
White House? Now here's what we
have a lot of really smart

854
00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:49,650
people who listen to the show.
And I got some analysis that I

855
00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:53,520
went oh, well, of course. So now
we have that. So Zeiss is

856
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,580
brought in now this guy has been
in before I believe that these

857
00:51:56,580 --> 00:52:00,960
guys were all in. They knew this
was coming, of course in 2010.

858
00:52:01,230 --> 00:52:04,860
So we had the Indian Cabal, as
we've called them. They set

859
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:08,310
everything up. They set up there
outside guys included. Yeah, the

860
00:52:08,310 --> 00:52:12,060
advisory board Corporation and
the advisory board Corporation.

861
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:15,390
What they do is they're
consultants to the healthcare

862
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:20,340
industry. And they were getting
the in fact, I have a little

863
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:27,780
little clip here. From let me
see if I can find the the title

864
00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:31,980
of the clip is are is your
company insurance company ready

865
00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:37,290
for the patient tsunami. So they
were preparing everybody because

866
00:52:37,290 --> 00:52:42,630
they saw this as a huge
boondoggle big, big, big money

867
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:42,990
coming in

868
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:45,630
24 million people are going to
burst through your front door,

869
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,810
will you be ready for them.
Insurance companies are already

870
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:51,690
competing just to be listed on
the exchanges. And their plans

871
00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:54,300
are going to be ranked to make
comparison shopping easier.

872
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:57,840
See, they knew it was going to
be great.

873
00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:00,360
When the exchanges go live, it
can net the insurance companies

874
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,360
24 million new customers who
will then become your new

875
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,180
patients. And these patients may
be young have a limited

876
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:09,270
education or speak a language
other than English. They may

877
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:12,000
even have unmanaged or
undiagnosed chronic conditions

878
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,520
and minimal experience with
preventive and elective care.

879
00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:16,860
Pretty interesting what they
were preparing this, this is for

880
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:18,840
the health care providers I
guess what they were preparing

881
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,350
them for not the people you're
seeing standing next to the

882
00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:25,920
president apparently on
television. But for immigrants

883
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,050
who don't speak English who are
sick. Very interesting what this

884
00:53:31,050 --> 00:53:33,750
advisory board corporation doing
so it's all these guys set

885
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:39,600
everything up and ready for the
big the big Bonanza they got out

886
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,360
and they went to companies where
they can go you know, make money

887
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,920
off their stock options or
whatever. And then Oh crap.

888
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:52,740
Someone effed it up. Now they're
coming back in and trying to fix

889
00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:56,130
stuff. But here's, here's the
analysis I got. We have this

890
00:53:56,130 --> 00:54:00,240
deadline now. November 30. It's
going to work. Right, which is

891
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,210
another it's one of those
things. Rule number one in

892
00:54:03,210 --> 00:54:07,200
management of these projects.
Never ever do that. Don't say

893
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,590
it's gonna be done by a certain
date. It's just It's dumb. It's

894
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:17,850
really you. That's what you do
soft launch. Beta. public beta

895
00:54:18,090 --> 00:54:21,450
is a million ways we mask this
stuff. You don't say it'll work?

896
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,880
Let I'm going to presume that
and if this is not the case,

897
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,820
then I would be not just highly
surprised will be flabbergasted.

898
00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:35,070
I'm going to presume that across
the board before this change

899
00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:40,350
order came in when things were
working 10 days before. Perhaps

900
00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:43,590
the White House said, oh my
goodness, we can't have people

901
00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:47,130
just seeing all these prices. We
have to have registration and

902
00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:50,160
slow down the process and get
them in before we show them

903
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,760
anything. I wouldn't be
surprised if not none of these

904
00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:00,090
companies were using a
versioning system. So you It

905
00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:05,670
should be very easy to say,
Guess what, let's all roll back

906
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:11,760
to 10 days before the rollout
and deploy, it should work.

907
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:17,610
That's how software is built in
the Big Boy world.

908
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,040
Yeah, well, let's I got a clip
here we have to have I wasn't

909
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,370
gonna play it, but now I want to
play it, which is that we're not

910
00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:27,960
dealing with what you and I and
Pete most of our listeners, it's

911
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:33,480
a monkey court. kind of
understand. plake Clay Johnson,

912
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,040
who Clay Johnson is a was a
member of the Obama

913
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,570
administration. And he he also
is enough. He's a developer that

914
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:46,290
that put together the original
2008 Before he got became a

915
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:49,740
member of government then I
guess got ousted. In 2008, put

916
00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:54,960
together the Obama websites. And
he is talking on Democracy Now

917
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,370
about the situation.

918
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,750
Well, government doesn't have a
lot of people to choose from

919
00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:04,650
when they're looking for
contractors to build this stuff.

920
00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:08,040
And I think part of the problem
is that the same people that are

921
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,070
building drones are building
websites. When government is

922
00:56:11,070 --> 00:56:14,700
building a website like this,
they have to use a system called

923
00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:19,590
procurement, which is about 1800
pages worth of regulation that

924
00:56:19,590 --> 00:56:23,340
all but ensures that the people
who are building this stuff are

925
00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:25,440
the people with the best
lawyers, not the people with the

926
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,450
best programmers. And so you
have this sort of fundamental

927
00:56:30,450 --> 00:56:34,890
lack of talent amongst the
contractor ecosystem. That's

928
00:56:34,890 --> 00:56:39,210
building the stuff that it's
bound to be bad work. That

929
00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:43,770
combined with the fact that in
1996, Congress lobotomized

930
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:46,800
itself by getting rid of its
technology think tank called the

931
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,280
technology assessment office. So
when they're writing bills, they

932
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,490
don't understand the technology
that they're requiring in their

933
00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:56,970
laws. This is what you get when
you have a Congress that is

934
00:56:56,970 --> 00:56:59,580
basically brainless on
technology and government who

935
00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:04,350
can only pick from a few old
stodgy contractors, you're bound

936
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:07,800
to have this result. And in
fact, the standards group came

937
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,120
out earlier this week and
pointed out that over for all

938
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,930
procurements over
$10,000,000.90 4% of them fail.

939
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:21,900
Yeah, I'm still not buying a no
versioning system

940
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:27,030
implementation. That seems very
unlikely to me. It seems like

941
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:29,880
this should be able to be rolled
back to when it was working.

942
00:57:32,610 --> 00:57:37,170
Yeah, I'm dime I am on the
opposite side of this argument.

943
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,530
I'm with this guy. Really, there
is no version and they would

944
00:57:40,530 --> 00:57:40,920
have done

945
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:44,580
really fine. You're telling me
there's no versioning?

946
00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:46,620
Yeah, that's what I'm telling
you.

947
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:49,680
How can work this four hours of
testimony? How come there's not

948
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:55,230
one single single representative
of our government? who represent

949
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:58,530
you in the in the People's
Republic of California or me in

950
00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:02,490
the great nation of Texas?
Because we're always a nation

951
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:04,740
that can ask this simple
question.

952
00:58:04,860 --> 00:58:07,920
Well, I think we're now that's
you brought it up. You can play

953
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,960
Clay Johnson, part two. What
about CGI the main contractor

954
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,190
here? Did you have any
experience with their track

955
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:18,240
record in the past?

956
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:21,690
I've never worked with them
directly. But I can tell you

957
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:24,360
from watching the hearing
yesterday, that from a

958
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,460
technologist point of view, both
the questions from Congress were

959
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:32,970
sort of absurd, and not
particularly helpful. And the

960
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,320
answers from the contractors
were also just demonstrably

961
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:41,670
ignorant of the technology that
they were managing. And so you

962
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:44,610
have this these bizarre
exchanges where, you know, a

963
00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:49,140
member of Congress is asking the
the vice president of CGI

964
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:55,200
federal about code inside of the
website that isn't even being

965
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,780
displayed, and isn't even
relevant to the user. And CG and

966
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:04,290
the VP of CGI federal not even
recognising that it's not

967
00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:07,200
displayed and not even relevant
to the user is this really

968
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,500
baffling set of exchanges? It's
like watching my one year old

969
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:11,580
argue with my cat.

970
00:59:13,530 --> 00:59:19,170
Yeah, no, I'm with him on that,
too. on his side? Yeah, these

971
00:59:19,170 --> 00:59:22,350
are these are managers. Yeah.
It's very typical. It's very,

972
00:59:22,350 --> 00:59:26,160
very typical of a project like
this. But if I just like to know

973
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,000
can someone can someone who gets
out of the house, which should

974
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,020
not be URI? Because No, we just
armchair it. Could someone

975
00:59:34,020 --> 00:59:37,560
please ask these some this
simple question. Is there not a

976
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,890
versioning system? And
hopefully, I mean, listen,

977
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,410
GitHub. Hello. GitHub would be
great. It's free.

978
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:51,240
They're not I would you put
money on them not using GitHub

979
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,810
and I didn't want to do I know I
know that. GitHub was developed

980
00:59:54,810 --> 01:00:00,000
by Linus Torvalds as the de
facto versioning system for all

981
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,800
All modern software developing

982
01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:05,850
and and a lot of what they would
need is actually in this. I

983
01:00:05,850 --> 01:00:08,550
mean, there's, there's lots of
different versioning systems you

984
01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:11,460
can use, and I'm sure they would
never use a public system like

985
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:16,590
GitHub, then you know, they
would use any other number of

986
01:00:16,590 --> 01:00:18,930
systems and maybe steal
something from the mainframe

987
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:24,750
world, I don't know. But that is
this. That's how you do it. I

988
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:29,940
mean, that is that is very, that
is basic, even I know this, too,

989
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:33,450
they can't roll it back to pre
the change orders, then then

990
01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:36,480
forget about it, then then
November 3, eight is not going

991
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,330
to happen either. And what I'm
hearing, interestingly enough,

992
01:00:40,140 --> 01:00:44,550
is a lot of noise out of
Washington, DC, saying that this

993
01:00:44,550 --> 01:00:48,150
is all going to drive single
payer health care. Have you

994
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:48,990
heard this at all?

995
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:53,520
Yeah, this is a subtext. In
fact, even Sean Hannity on one

996
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,120
of his shows,

997
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:56,340
if this is why I'm suspicious,
because I'm thinking that this

998
01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:57,390
is when he's

999
01:00:57,750 --> 01:01:02,280
advocating it. No, no, he was
just saying it and yeah, I don't

1000
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,860
know what what your suspicions
what were they stammer, what

1001
01:01:04,860 --> 01:01:07,950
were you think they're headed?
But yes, the right wing is

1002
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:10,290
talking about this. I'd haven't
heard Rush Limbaugh say

1003
01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:13,050
anything. Yeah, no, no, he's
he's also saying it apparently.

1004
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,340
Okay. That wouldn't surprise me.

1005
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,930
Now. Explain why. Explain. Just
so we understand what is what is

1006
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:21,840
single? What is the difference
between what is being shown now

1007
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,020
and single payer? And why would
the right wing be against it?

1008
01:01:27,390 --> 01:01:31,290
Well, the right wing, why would
they be against it as the the

1009
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:32,400
interesting question,

1010
01:01:32,790 --> 01:01:34,950
for more? Why would they be
maybe they're not? Maybe they're

1011
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:35,730
propagating? And

1012
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:38,520
I don't think so because we're
single payer is essentially,

1013
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,640
here's, I'll explain for people
who don't know, most people, I

1014
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,790
think do but single payer is
essentially the model of

1015
01:01:44,790 --> 01:01:49,380
Medicare, it is government
healthcare, essentially, you go

1016
01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:52,740
to the doctor, or you go to a
hospital, and you show your

1017
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:56,430
Medicare card, and then the the
the single payer is the

1018
01:01:56,430 --> 01:02:00,210
government. And so everything is
based on a fee schedule. So you

1019
01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:05,010
can't, you can't take the price
of some pill, and then triple

1020
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:07,350
the price because you know that
insurance companies are gonna

1021
01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:10,440
pay it because they will and
that's what's been going on with

1022
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,890
the healthcare going up is
because the Big Pharma is just

1023
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,250
gouging but arguably Medicaid
and or Medicare is doing the

1024
01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:20,460
same thing. Medicare Medicaid
many, many different but

1025
01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:24,240
Medicare is is paying those
prices to no no Medicare

1026
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,890
is paying. Medicare is paying
some of it the Medicare though

1027
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:31,530
if you ever get the pure single,
that's because they they're

1028
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:34,560
fighting against the there's a
big fight going on. Because you

1029
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,490
can't have this mixed system
with kind of single payer on the

1030
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:41,910
one hand, and then open warfare
on the other with these all

1031
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:45,180
these insurance companies. So
what would happen with one

1032
01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:47,610
single payer when in place,
which means it would be said

1033
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,660
some people call it Medicare for
everybody. Some people just

1034
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:54,180
simply call it single payer,
which means it's all coming from

1035
01:02:54,180 --> 01:02:58,620
one pot. When it's all coming
from one pot, the government can

1036
01:02:58,620 --> 01:03:01,980
say, wait a minute, why are you
doubling the price of this

1037
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:04,410
product out of the blue? I get
it,

1038
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,320
I get it, I get it. Now, I know
why the Republicans are using

1039
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:12,720
this as leverage. They're
floating this to probably to get

1040
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,270
money out of the insurance
companies to say, oh, you know,

1041
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:18,150
this is such a debacle. You
know, we could push towards

1042
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:21,630
single payer, but you're not
going to like that. Maybe you

1043
01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:25,590
should be financing my 2014 re
election Ron,

1044
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:30,600
that's a cynical approach.
Probably right. Geez, you may

1045
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,790
have nailed that, Gee, why
exactly. I would explain a lot

1046
01:03:35,790 --> 01:03:38,220
of it because the way single
payer is being dropped into the

1047
01:03:38,250 --> 01:03:43,140
there was a woman on there's a
couple of, of organisations that

1048
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:46,200
are promoting single payer, and
single payer was the thing that

1049
01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:49,530
Obama, like I said a few minutes
ago could have pushed through

1050
01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:52,560
right away, and it would have
been over the whole fight would

1051
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,350
have been done. And I met a
quick question.

1052
01:03:55,710 --> 01:04:01,500
In the single payer system, how
is the money to pay for this

1053
01:04:01,650 --> 01:04:06,420
extracted from the citizenry?
Taxes just pure taxes, is it

1054
01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:10,440
well, no, it's taxes and it's a
combination of taxes and a fee.

1055
01:04:10,740 --> 01:04:16,230
So if you're a Medicare
recipient, you have to pay in

1056
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,650
it's it's very little money it's
like a couple 100 bucks, which

1057
01:04:19,650 --> 01:04:23,640
amounts to attacks, additional
tax for you because you're out

1058
01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:26,520
essentially you can take you
what right now right hold on a

1059
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,760
second right now you can't take
Medicare out of the general

1060
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,880
funds because it's only
applicable to a few people in

1061
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,450
the in the population if it
becomes applicable to everybody.

1062
01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:39,990
In other words, that would be
called Medicare for All then

1063
01:04:40,020 --> 01:04:42,450
there wouldn't be anything it
would be come straight out of

1064
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:43,410
the tax pot.

1065
01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:47,340
So it's, it's very similar. So a
single payer for on system would

1066
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:48,240
be like the British

1067
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,480
Health System, or Canada, Canada
is a better example. Right?

1068
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:51,660
Because

1069
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:54,090
the Netherlands is offered now
the Netherlands, the Netherlands

1070
01:04:54,090 --> 01:04:57,690
now effectively has Obamacare.
They actually rolled it out

1071
01:04:57,690 --> 01:04:58,650
successfully.

1072
01:04:59,009 --> 01:05:03,089
Right, but we know Oh, that the
Netherlands as you've said over

1073
01:05:03,089 --> 01:05:05,819
and over again, our problems are
the closest thing to more

1074
01:05:05,819 --> 01:05:11,039
corrupt and it's horrible,
horribly. So they, for the for

1075
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:15,119
the Dutch to go off of single
payer to this kind of thing,

1076
01:05:15,269 --> 01:05:19,649
which is a gouge system is it's
it's unconscionable and we saw

1077
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:23,490
it happen we saw it happen when
we were member we admit Ms.

1078
01:05:23,490 --> 01:05:28,560
McKee was stuck in exile. The
the changeover date was January

1079
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:34,200
1 2013. And we saw all the ads
and it was it was slick man, it

1080
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,790
was it was really, really slick.
But they had the it part worked.

1081
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:42,120
Of course, that was done, you
know, everything. I mean, the

1082
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,280
Dutch government, I think it's
just a bunch of guys who sit

1083
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,220
there in the in Parliament,
everything is commercial, and

1084
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:51,210
everything. But the Dutch people
have no idea. And then we look

1085
01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:55,650
and everyone's paying more their
their services are less doctors

1086
01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:59,280
are leaving the profession is
exactly what Obamacare is

1087
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,380
exactly the same except the
Dutch are just silent. Let's

1088
01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:10,080
argue about Black Pete. Okay,
all right. So this is very

1089
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,350
interesting, because I know you
notice that and I noticed and

1090
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:16,260
like, hey, wait a minute,
there's all this. This is going

1091
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:19,140
towards single payer, everyone's
kind of talking about it. So

1092
01:06:19,290 --> 01:06:24,150
this must be the leverage. And
it's, it's possible. I'm not

1093
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:26,730
quite sure where the leverage is
or who has it? Well,

1094
01:06:26,730 --> 01:06:32,070
I can say this. Single payer has
been talked about for 20 years.

1095
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:36,930
Right. And it's used and it is
not to mention it, I think it's

1096
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,010
always been used. And I think
maybe Obama got a lot of that

1097
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,530
millions and millions of dollars
from the insurance companies by

1098
01:06:43,530 --> 01:06:46,650
hint, because he was a single
payer guy, right? He says, Yeah.

1099
01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:49,290
And so why would he all of us if
he's for single payer, why do

1100
01:06:49,290 --> 01:06:51,750
all these insurance companies,
why are they coughing up all

1101
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:55,140
this money? Because they're out
of business, what single payer

1102
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:57,420
goes through, they would be
absorbed, it'd be it would be a

1103
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:59,610
pass through, it would take a
while it wouldn't be overnight,

1104
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:02,700
they'd be shut down. But they're
doomed. Right? So why would

1105
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:06,420
Obama who's this who ran
essentially on a single payer

1106
01:07:06,420 --> 01:07:09,480
message? Why would he gets so
much money from insurance

1107
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,810
companies, and then not execute
single payer? This is not, you

1108
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:15,630
know, he obviously, they
leverage the insurance game, he

1109
01:07:15,630 --> 01:07:18,270
said, Look, here's what we're
going to do. But wait, what, you

1110
01:07:18,270 --> 01:07:21,390
know, maybe we can put this off,
you know, we could use some

1111
01:07:21,390 --> 01:07:24,960
money in the campaign coffers,
when wouldn't hurt anybody?

1112
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,990
Worst case scenario, you know,
doesn't work out for you, but

1113
01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:29,400
good chance that it might

1114
01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:34,650
be interesting. I personally
think would be better to have a

1115
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:37,800
single payer system, it seems
like I've always felt that way.

1116
01:07:37,830 --> 01:07:41,220
You know, it's funny, because we
have, there are certain things

1117
01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:48,300
in America that I'll call
capitalistic socialism. In the

1118
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:53,100
other day, the only one in all
of Texas, as far as I know, is

1119
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:57,090
the Weeksville food Co Op. And I
don't know if people are

1120
01:07:57,090 --> 01:08:01,680
familiar with the concept of a
co op. But I like it Am I nuts

1121
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,110
to like this and like some kind
of commie now that I like this

1122
01:08:04,110 --> 01:08:04,830
call, you've always

1123
01:08:04,830 --> 01:08:07,470
been something of a commie. But
just because you're from

1124
01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:10,830
Holland. Although they don't
seem to be holding up their end

1125
01:08:10,830 --> 01:08:14,340
of the deal, let me actually
know the co ops are very popular

1126
01:08:14,340 --> 01:08:17,460
in California and they've been
popping their get very popular

1127
01:08:17,460 --> 01:08:21,960
during the Depression
depressions. Now in France, for

1128
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,470
example, co ops are part of the
culture, they're built into

1129
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:28,920
everything. And in fact, if you
go to a wine growing area, there

1130
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,510
will generally be one or two, or
sometimes even more co ops in

1131
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,060
and in famous wine growing
areas. As a matter of fact, you

1132
01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:40,410
go to San Tamiya on this is
number of coops. And the co ops

1133
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:43,860
are for the very small growers
who eke out a living, they bring

1134
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:46,410
all their grapes into the coop,
and they can either bottle it

1135
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:51,060
under their own label at the Co
Op, it would it would free help

1136
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:54,360
from the end consultants and all
the rest of it, or they can put

1137
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,600
it into a into a blend of other
grey everybody, a whole bunch of

1138
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,270
these get put in then they all
share in the profits from some

1139
01:09:00,270 --> 01:09:04,650
regional wine. And this has been
a way of doing business forever.

1140
01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:08,520
In France, it's extremely Co Op
oriented. We come in and out of

1141
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,150
it, because people we all we
can't can you compete with that?

1142
01:09:12,330 --> 01:09:14,430
It's unfair to small businesses.

1143
01:09:14,939 --> 01:09:17,549
This is a small business. That's
what I like. And let me explain

1144
01:09:17,549 --> 01:09:20,969
for people who don't know
talking about so this Weeksville

1145
01:09:20,969 --> 01:09:23,429
Co Op, they have two stores in
Austin, it's a grocery store.

1146
01:09:23,429 --> 01:09:29,579
It's and it's it's kind of a mix
between what we call heb here,

1147
01:09:29,579 --> 01:09:32,339
which is just like Ralph's in LA
or you know, kind of like a

1148
01:09:32,519 --> 01:09:37,769
regular convenience store and a
whole foods. But the prices are

1149
01:09:37,799 --> 01:09:42,179
in some cases, interestingly
enough, cheaper than the market

1150
01:09:42,179 --> 01:09:46,019
where the same products are sold
by the producers. So for

1151
01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:52,619
instance, the pickles that I
get, and the rattlesnake oil is

1152
01:09:52,619 --> 01:09:56,369
80 cents cheaper at the store,
then the actual people who make

1153
01:09:56,369 --> 01:09:59,459
it who sell it at the Austin
farmers market. Now this of

1154
01:09:59,459 --> 01:10:02,159
course has As refund because of
bulk, etc. And the way it works

1155
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:04,949
is you can walk into the store
and just buy whatever you want.

1156
01:10:05,339 --> 01:10:07,829
And you don't have to be a
member or anything or an owner

1157
01:10:07,829 --> 01:10:11,339
as they call it. But if you
become an owner, then you have a

1158
01:10:11,339 --> 01:10:14,729
vote and one owner, one vote,
you vote on the board members,

1159
01:10:14,939 --> 01:10:18,569
and you vote on what what is
done with the profits. And it's

1160
01:10:18,569 --> 01:10:21,869
it's a very simple majority, no
representative, no

1161
01:10:21,869 --> 01:10:25,679
representative stuff or anything
like that. It's ever you own you

1162
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:29,279
own one share. And you get one
vote, and the majority vote

1163
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:33,449
wins. And it's really nice,
because you do feel like you

1164
01:10:33,449 --> 01:10:37,889
have some kind of influence. And
the prices are good. And it

1165
01:10:37,919 --> 01:10:42,599
typically has the products you
want. And and everyone's nice to

1166
01:10:42,599 --> 01:10:45,119
me. That's my favourite part.
Hello,

1167
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,020
that's weird.

1168
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:49,050
Hello. Are you an owner? Why
yes, I am. Here's my owner card.

1169
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,120
Oh, so nice. And I say how you
doing today, Rachel? Well, I

1170
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:59,760
thanks, owner. And yeah, so they
they're not in it for profit.

1171
01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:03,780
They're in it for growth,
certainly, but not for insane

1172
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:07,410
growth. And I have to say, I
think it's, I think it's a very

1173
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:10,950
nice system. And I don't think
it's, well, anti American.

1174
01:11:11,190 --> 01:11:13,410
This is funny, I can't think of
the name of this operation

1175
01:11:13,410 --> 01:11:16,500
called veniam, or some crazy
thing like that. And they just

1176
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:19,740
had a meeting, they have this
meeting, where it's a co op like

1177
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:23,100
organisation is actually done
out of France. And it's a co op

1178
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:26,640
for making wine from everyone
contributes a certain amount of

1179
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:30,780
grapes. But it's it's making a
one or two barrels of wine. And

1180
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:34,830
the people that are in the coop
are all billionaires. And the

1181
01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:38,010
whole reason for the co op is so
they can have their own label

1182
01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:41,610
their own wine that they gets
claimed that they blended. Well,

1183
01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:46,980
of course, this all this is the
opposite. purposes. Right.

1184
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:47,460
Right.

1185
01:11:47,820 --> 01:11:51,810
Well, then there's that. Yeah,
then there's that. Well, anyway,

1186
01:11:51,810 --> 01:11:56,910
so I think I'm at heart I'm kind
of a single payer guy. All I

1187
01:11:56,910 --> 01:12:00,150
know is that every it's messed
up. I know. It's I know, that

1188
01:12:00,330 --> 01:12:03,720
all it seems better than this.
And all I say yes. And all I see

1189
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,310
happening is a general
practitioners leaving just

1190
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:11,340
leaving leaving the practice of
medicine because they're being

1191
01:12:11,340 --> 01:12:16,140
replaced by your health care
provider, which is pretty much a

1192
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:18,360
registered nurse, nothing
against registered nurses.

1193
01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:21,840
They're great, but a registered
nurse who is applying the band

1194
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,820
aid. And for this, you have to
go see a specialist. And the

1195
01:12:26,820 --> 01:12:30,780
specialists are going to start
making out like bandits. But the

1196
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:35,760
whole thing is it's it's very,
it's wrong. Everything is wrong

1197
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,690
about this. And meanwhile, just
to move it along a little bit.

1198
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,290
Here's a John Kerry, our
Secretary of State pontificating

1199
01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:46,200
about how awesome we really are.
I've

1200
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:51,330
often said that America is not
exceptional, because we talk

1201
01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:54,030
about ourselves as being
exceptional, and beat our chests

1202
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:57,450
and stand up and say, We're
exceptional. It's not because we

1203
01:12:57,450 --> 01:13:03,300
say we are. It's because we do
exceptional things. And we've

1204
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:07,410
always done that were the nation
that defeated the Axis powers

1205
01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:11,220
and then invested billions of
dollars in their recovery. And

1206
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:12,930
we never asked to be paid back.

1207
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:16,260
Alright, so I just playing this
for a reason to say

1208
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,170
we have lots of asking to be
paid back things going on. I'm

1209
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:24,120
playing it always asked to be
paid. But

1210
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:31,080
I know, I'm playing this to say
what you know, our government is

1211
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:36,450
lame, not our system. But the
execution, I'm sorry. And now

1212
01:13:36,450 --> 01:13:42,510
we'll get down to the hole I was
in. So example, right here is

1213
01:13:42,510 --> 01:13:48,690
this healthcare thing, which is
just very typical of our

1214
01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:53,010
exceptionalism where we
exceptionally suck in a lot of

1215
01:13:53,010 --> 01:13:56,700
things that we've allowed our
government to take over. And

1216
01:13:56,700 --> 01:14:02,250
this is a great example. Now the
other thing is this whole NSA

1217
01:14:02,250 --> 01:14:07,980
spying business and this is kind
of what I what I fell on. While

1218
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:10,650
looking at the health care
stuff. I don't know if you saw

1219
01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:14,580
this, but the Emperor hair
Kaiser Alexander did an

1220
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:20,850
interview or with a Department
of Defence blogger. Did you see

1221
01:14:20,850 --> 01:14:26,460
this? Oh, I'm so happy. Okay.
Yes, no, no, he did an interview

1222
01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:31,650
with the Department of Defence
blogger. Now, let me explain a

1223
01:14:31,650 --> 01:14:37,020
few things. When you do an
interview, where you control the

1224
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:41,820
interviewer, it's called
propaganda. It's not called

1225
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:48,360
journalism or an interview or
anything like that. Now the I

1226
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:53,430
Spy no lie is the title of the
blog post. And this was done by

1227
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:58,860
Jessica Tozer who blogs for the
Department of Defence and it's

1228
01:14:58,860 --> 01:15:01,560
it gets even better because This
30 minute interview which of

1229
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,930
course was edited consists of
hair Keyser Alexander sitting on

1230
01:15:06,930 --> 01:15:12,510
a chair in his in like a corner
of his command centre. With I

1231
01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:16,140
heard her questions are not
heard there's title cards She's

1232
01:15:16,140 --> 01:15:18,930
just sitting in the chair now
you don't even hear ask a single

1233
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:21,810
question. And throughout the
entire thing they've put like

1234
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:25,980
some Star Trek space music in
the background like this is

1235
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:32,580
going to ease me at listening to
his answers. And at the end of

1236
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:35,700
this interview, and I'd actually
went back and found another clip

1237
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:42,120
from him. I am going to tell you
that not only is Keyser

1238
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:48,540
Alexander a maniacal
megalomaniac insane, bumbling,

1239
01:15:48,570 --> 01:15:54,120
moronic idiot. I don't think he
has any of the capabilities that

1240
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:59,220
are being leaked. I think that
he is playing in a sandbox. I

1241
01:15:59,220 --> 01:16:02,940
think he is afraid of other
people in government, which I

1242
01:16:02,970 --> 01:16:08,940
can pretty much prove. And he is
just an overgrown douchebag who

1243
01:16:08,940 --> 01:16:14,640
I think is probably lying about
what he can do at all. The man

1244
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,500
is not well in his head.

1245
01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:20,100
Plug has a funny look about him
that ball.

1246
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:24,390
Well, let's look I made really
short clips in general all about

1247
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:28,980
40 seconds. And but I do have a
couple because this was a 30

1248
01:16:28,980 --> 01:16:33,000
minute interview and I just I
was astounded. I had instead of

1249
01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:35,640
pulling clips, I recorded the
whole thing and had to cut it up

1250
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,000
because it's just too much this
guy is saying that proves he is

1251
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:40,710
not a right in his head.

1252
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:47,790
Because America, the United
States runs on cyber. You know,

1253
01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:51,630
we do our banking online. We
have all everybody has iPhones,

1254
01:16:51,630 --> 01:16:54,690
you have iPads, you have
computers, computer networks,

1255
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,130
the finance industry runs on
computer networks.

1256
01:16:59,790 --> 01:17:00,720
We hear this music.

1257
01:17:02,580 --> 01:17:05,190
What's the point of that? It
sounds like some sort of a cheap

1258
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,860
house. It has a funny eerie
quality various doors like some

1259
01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:14,910
sort of Yeah, propaganda. This
is like that thing you did one

1260
01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:17,760
time. The propaganda bit. You
mean

1261
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,570
the Hague thing? Yeah, protect
their freedom.

1262
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:23,430
Yeah, this reminds me of that.

1263
01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:30,180
intelligence work takes place
within a strong legal framework.

1264
01:17:30,690 --> 01:17:35,280
We operate under the rule of law
and are accountable for it. In

1265
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,490
southern countries secret
intelligence is used to control

1266
01:17:38,490 --> 01:17:42,720
their people. In ours, it only
exists to protect their

1267
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,440
freedoms.

1268
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,140
So he's talking about cyber as
cyber as as if this is some kind

1269
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:52,470
of thing now cyber where I come
from mean cybersex, but okay.

1270
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:56,250
And that probably means, let's
say if you say Hey, want to go

1271
01:17:56,250 --> 01:17:58,290
cyber to some girl online or go

1272
01:17:59,610 --> 01:18:01,080
to cyber? Yeah.

1273
01:18:06,060 --> 01:18:06,960
I'm gonna write that down.

1274
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:16,200
A, what is cyber? Is that what
you want? Alright, go on.

1275
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,630
But somehow when you say it,
it's super creepy.

1276
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:22,290
Yeah, do make super creepy voice
we have

1277
01:18:24,330 --> 01:18:30,420
the power runs off of data
systems, just about everything

1278
01:18:30,510 --> 01:18:35,310
in our lives, runs on computer
networks. And most of those are

1279
01:18:35,310 --> 01:18:40,620
not as secure as they need to
be. And we are seeing and if you

1280
01:18:40,620 --> 01:18:47,220
look at over the past year, and
three months, about over 350

1281
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:49,140
distributed denial of service
attacks,

1282
01:18:49,170 --> 01:18:55,980
blue 350 distributed denial of
service attacks, that let's

1283
01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:59,880
remember this is where there's
like 350 a day. And how much

1284
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,480
money is this guy getting for
his department for this? I mean,

1285
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:06,810
this, he literally is talking.
This is the level he's talking

1286
01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:10,800
about. And to me, as you as we
go through these clips, it is so

1287
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,580
insulting on so many levels.
Yes, I understand. A lot of

1288
01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:17,550
people don't necessarily
understand the how the internet

1289
01:19:17,550 --> 01:19:20,190
works, but a hell of a lot of
people do

1290
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:25,800
on Wall Street. And we have seen
destructive attacks against

1291
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:29,520
Saudi Aramco in August of 2012.

1292
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:32,910
Yeah, who cares? Are you
protecting Saudi Aramco now?

1293
01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:37,950
And we saw destructive attacks
against Ross gas.

1294
01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:42,420
are we protecting Ross gas now
that's not our companies

1295
01:19:42,510 --> 01:19:48,720
in 2012 August, the one against
Saudi Aramco wipe the data and

1296
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,730
destroyed the content of the
data on over 30,000 computer

1297
01:19:53,730 --> 01:19:54,180
system.

1298
01:19:54,210 --> 01:19:58,320
I don't know if he believes what
he's saying, John. But the story

1299
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,960
is, as I read it, and as I
understand ended if there was a

1300
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,320
virus and there were 30,000
desktops that were that were

1301
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,640
affected. He's He's equating
Windows workstation desktops to

1302
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:15,630
30,000 data systems. You know,
it's called it it's called IT

1303
01:20:15,630 --> 01:20:18,180
management, you know, you got to
have some protection. So yeah,

1304
01:20:18,180 --> 01:20:21,060
your computer's I mean, you're
telling me that important data

1305
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:23,850
is stored on individual
workstations. You don't have a

1306
01:20:23,850 --> 01:20:26,820
backup last forever, forever,
and it's gone. You don't have a

1307
01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:30,090
backup. This is this is scare
mom, fear mongering and bull

1308
01:20:30,090 --> 01:20:31,170
crap. Okay,

1309
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,280
keep playing it's good.

1310
01:20:32,969 --> 01:20:37,529
And then a similar impact on
South Korea in March and again

1311
01:20:37,529 --> 01:20:38,039
in June.

1312
01:20:38,789 --> 01:20:42,209
Remember South Korea where all
of a sudden the TV network

1313
01:20:42,269 --> 01:20:46,799
flickered. Remember that bull
crap report. So he's just

1314
01:20:46,829 --> 01:20:48,929
propagating live 2013.

1315
01:20:49,260 --> 01:20:52,200
So we see distributed denial of
service attacks going on, we'll

1316
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,300
see a lot of exploitation of
intellectual

1317
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:58,110
property, exploitation of
intellectual property, theft of

1318
01:20:58,110 --> 01:21:00,600
intellectual property theft,
theft of your

1319
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:05,970
Visa, MasterCard, type data,
your social security numbers,

1320
01:21:05,970 --> 01:21:10,260
all of this is disruptive and
destructive attacks.

1321
01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:14,880
Okay. So that's kind of his
setup for why the NSA exists at

1322
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,140
all. I didn't hear a single
thing about terrorism, or it's

1323
01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:23,580
all about protecting our
freedoms, essentially. So now we

1324
01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:27,270
have to bring it all together.
This is the Kaiser talking about

1325
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:29,610
iPhone Cyber Command and the NSA
and

1326
01:21:29,610 --> 01:21:32,070
iPhone. Okay, so they're great,
right? You get to do neat things

1327
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:34,800
on it, you probably got all
these apps that you can do. The

1328
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,670
problem with the iPhones and all
the current phones is they're

1329
01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:40,680
not as secure as your landline
system.

1330
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:46,380
What does that mean? They're not
as secure as my lamp, the iPhone

1331
01:21:46,650 --> 01:21:53,370
is not as secure as my landline
system. What does that mean? I

1332
01:21:53,370 --> 01:21:55,140
don't know. What does it mean? I
don't know.

1333
01:21:55,620 --> 01:21:59,880
But we would like to use those
for I wallet. Right? And for

1334
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:03,210
me, it has this annoying Silicon
Valley thing where he goes right

1335
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,570
at the end till Yeah, right. So
you don't question. So you don't

1336
01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:07,740
question what he's saying

1337
01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:10,470
banking and for all these other
things. So we've got to secure

1338
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:11,970
that infrastructure. So there
are things,

1339
01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:16,080
it's not your job to secure that
infrastructure, I'm sorry, it is

1340
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,470
not your job to make the iPhone
secure. It's not

1341
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:21,870
we have to do to fix the phones.
And the vendors are going to

1342
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:24,750
work that there are things that
we did you just hear that

1343
01:22:25,050 --> 01:22:29,610
the vendors are going to work
that this guy is insane to do

1344
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:33,690
to fix our infrastructure. And
we all have to work that. And

1345
01:22:33,690 --> 01:22:35,850
then there are things that the
adversary is going to try to do

1346
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:38,670
to steal intellectual property,
we have to defend against that.

1347
01:22:39,150 --> 01:22:43,110
And then to disrupt our
communications or destroy our

1348
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:47,190
communications infrastructure.
Soon those last two, it's

1349
01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:50,760
actually across that spectrum,
where NSA and Cyber Command come

1350
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:55,080
together. NSA think of that as
the indications in warning and

1351
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,810
situational awareness for
cyberspace. They're the ones

1352
01:22:57,810 --> 01:23:01,530
that can see just like we do
terrorist communications, you

1353
01:23:01,530 --> 01:23:05,850
can see malicious software. And
Cyber Command is the one who

1354
01:23:05,850 --> 01:23:09,870
would respond to it. That's the
platform for defending the DoD

1355
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:14,400
networks defending the nation.
And responding as policymakers

1356
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,510
would ask us to do if the if
someone were to attack us.

1357
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:23,220
I think Johnny he actually
believes this bullcrap. He

1358
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:27,090
really is saying it like he
believes it like this, like this

1359
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:30,840
protection of our communications
infrastructure, which the

1360
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:36,990
adversaries are trying to bring
down all the time. Man, it makes

1361
01:23:36,990 --> 01:23:44,100
no sense. Which adversary al
Qaeda, Tali Bong, they want to

1362
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:49,470
cripple our communications
infrastructure, really? Of

1363
01:23:49,470 --> 01:23:53,670
course, all of this that he is
doing, it's all okay because all

1364
01:23:53,670 --> 01:23:57,450
the oversight of the entire US
government all has its eyes on

1365
01:23:57,450 --> 01:23:57,900
him.

1366
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,050
The oversight and compliance on
these programmes is greater than

1367
01:24:01,110 --> 01:24:05,910
any other programme in our
government. It's from within NSA

1368
01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:10,650
by the General Counsel, the
Inspector General, the oversight

1369
01:24:10,650 --> 01:24:15,030
and compliance directorate from
the demonise general counsel and

1370
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:17,940
Inspector General and civil
liberties and privacy officer by

1371
01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:22,200
DOD is Inspector General, and
General Counsel by Department of

1372
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,640
Justice by the White House and
by Congress, both committees.

1373
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:28,710
And so when you look at that

1374
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:32,610
sounds like a bunch of secret
bullshit artists to me, a whole

1375
01:24:32,610 --> 01:24:36,690
bunch of people as analysing
this in secret, including the

1376
01:24:36,690 --> 01:24:37,650
FISA court, these

1377
01:24:37,650 --> 01:24:41,280
are ones who who apply oversight
and and can see what we're

1378
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,910
doing. It is not a programme,
the secret it's one that

1379
01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:51,660
Congress, the administration,
and the courts have all approved

1380
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:55,470
and the court is the final one
in this. So from my perspective,

1381
01:24:55,470 --> 01:24:58,410
we have convinced all three of
those that this is necessary

1382
01:24:58,469 --> 01:25:03,509
now very interesting words. From
my perspective, he says, we've

1383
01:25:03,509 --> 01:25:06,299
been in we've convinced them
this is very necessary, not

1384
01:25:06,299 --> 01:25:11,099
proven, not based upon the
evidence that we have based upon

1385
01:25:11,099 --> 01:25:12,809
fact none our, the right

1386
01:25:12,810 --> 01:25:15,810
way would be shown. Yes. But he
but he said, from my

1387
01:25:15,810 --> 01:25:18,300
perspective, we've shown that
this is important initiative,

1388
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:22,230
we've convinced them. Yeah.
truth always comes out. There it

1389
01:25:22,230 --> 01:25:24,540
is. Yeah. In other words of
convincing visitors not to say

1390
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:27,660
it does. Trick, you could also
say tricked. Yeah, they

1391
01:25:27,660 --> 01:25:29,910
shouldn't use a trick, you must
just forget it, cut to the

1392
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:31,260
chase. Alright, so

1393
01:25:31,260 --> 01:25:33,930
now now we're about halfway
through this interview. And now

1394
01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:36,990
he starts to go off the deep
end. And he has to explain to

1395
01:25:36,990 --> 01:25:40,620
the stupid Human Resources of
America, who clearly don't

1396
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:45,930
understand that he is Superman,
protecting the world from cyber.

1397
01:25:47,250 --> 01:25:49,440
He's going to give you some
metaphors.

1398
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:54,990
And so the question is, it has
been successful? Can somebody

1399
01:25:54,990 --> 01:25:59,040
come up with a better way of
doing it? That's the issue.

1400
01:25:59,430 --> 01:26:01,980
We've not been able to come up
with one. So we've been working

1401
01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:04,590
with Congress in the courts, but
that's the best we can do right

1402
01:26:04,590 --> 01:26:09,480
now. We protect civil liberties
and privacy, no content in the

1403
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:13,950
metadata programme. And I think
that's the right way to run it.

1404
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:17,640
You see, nobody's come forward
with a better it's like, it's

1405
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,150
like saying, we know how you
know. It's like when you were

1406
01:26:21,150 --> 01:26:23,850
younger when this is for boys.
You know, when you're younger?

1407
01:26:23,850 --> 01:26:27,900
You say I don't want to take a
bath. So no, I'd never take a

1408
01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:29,520
bath. Why do we want to take a
bath? Well, you gotta take a

1409
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,030
bath clean, nice to touch. said
But isn't there a better way?

1410
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,570
Oh, we don't. So we had to take
baths Right? Or showers my

1411
01:26:36,570 --> 01:26:39,480
shower. What about here? What is
there? What's the better way to

1412
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:40,290
stop terrorists?

1413
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:45,990
Apparently, only boys take the
hate taking baths. And he goes,

1414
01:26:46,140 --> 01:26:50,370
take a bath daddy, daddy da.
What this is this is not a guy I

1415
01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:54,960
want running cyber Daddy. Oh,
well, let's let's do another

1416
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:55,650
analogy.

1417
01:26:55,710 --> 01:26:59,130
I liken this to holding a
hornet's nest. Ah, thank you.

1418
01:26:59,130 --> 01:27:02,160
Okay, so here we are holding
this hornet's nest. Now I would

1419
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,730
like to give it to somebody
else. And say you protect the

1420
01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:06,960
nation with this data set.

1421
01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:14,040
He's literally going Oh, yeah.
You can you do it better? I

1422
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,160
don't think so here you hold the
hornet's nest.

1423
01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:20,490
Everybody's looking around. So I
don't want to hold that. You

1424
01:27:20,490 --> 01:27:24,510
hold what somebody's got to hold
for the good of the nation's.

1425
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:29,250
Remember, the oversight and
compliance we have here is

1426
01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:32,880
better than any other programme
ensuring our civil liberties and

1427
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,150
privacy and that of our allies.
We do it better than anybody

1428
01:27:36,150 --> 01:27:40,770
else. Oh, yeah. So despite what
the papers say in here, we do it

1429
01:27:40,770 --> 01:27:41,100
better than

1430
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:43,860
anyone. We do it better than
anybody. I need one more

1431
01:27:43,860 --> 01:27:44,520
analogy,

1432
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:47,430
saying it just doesn't make it.
So what is this guy?

1433
01:27:47,490 --> 01:27:50,430
I need one more analogy. Let's
see we've had taking a bath.

1434
01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:54,060
We've had hornet's nest. What
else can we do?

1435
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:59,280
These programmes were started to
defend this country. If you have

1436
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,350
a better way, put it on the
table.

1437
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:05,520
Again. This with the defensive?
Oh yeah. Can you show me a

1438
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,440
better way? You don't have a
better you guys have better

1439
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:08,700
ideas? Put it on the table?

1440
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:15,630
If you don't, let's discuss it.
But don't stop protecting. It's

1441
01:28:15,630 --> 01:28:18,030
like saying, well, we're not
sure seatbelts protect people

1442
01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:21,540
anymore. Nobody has to wear
seatbelts. Right? Right. What

1443
01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:25,170
would you say to your children?
Yeah. So if they said, okay,

1444
01:28:25,170 --> 01:28:27,990
just put them in the back. Yeah,
you wouldn't do it, would you?

1445
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:31,950
You wouldn't go back. But you
see, we've learned that lesson

1446
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:39,660
on how we take care of our
people. brings that mean?

1447
01:28:39,660 --> 01:28:44,100
So when did the NSA get get into
business? What year was it was

1448
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:46,290
right after the Truman
administration, wasn't it? I

1449
01:28:46,290 --> 01:28:49,500
don't know. That part of the
security system was done it they

1450
01:28:49,530 --> 01:28:52,230
kept it a secret for a long
time. What did they do with this

1451
01:28:52,230 --> 01:28:56,520
fantastic mechanism? To protect
us from the 911 episode with

1452
01:28:56,610 --> 01:28:57,750
with the building's Oh,

1453
01:28:57,750 --> 01:29:00,870
well, please. Well, apparently,
this is all just less than has

1454
01:29:00,870 --> 01:29:01,380
been going

1455
01:29:01,380 --> 01:29:03,570
on. I mean, they've they've been
they were in this doing the same

1456
01:29:03,570 --> 01:29:06,810
business that they could this is
the, the no matter, great job

1457
01:29:06,810 --> 01:29:07,500
that they're doing.

1458
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:11,130
Now. You see, it wasn't until
Kaiser Alexander came in,

1459
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:14,820
because the NSA sucked so bad
during 911. You see,

1460
01:29:14,850 --> 01:29:18,900
you know, it's lessons that we
learned after 911. When you look

1461
01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:22,500
at the 911 Commission, it
faulted the intelligence

1462
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:26,670
community for not connecting the
dots. We didn't have the tools,

1463
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,150
tools. These are tools that help
us connect the dots. And we can

1464
01:29:30,150 --> 01:29:30,330
take

1465
01:29:30,510 --> 01:29:32,550
away crap is the same old tools,

1466
01:29:33,390 --> 01:29:36,690
new tools, tools, he has new
tools just no such thing

1467
01:29:36,690 --> 01:29:41,280
as new tools. What helps them
connect the dots? He has no

1468
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,450
clue what helps them connect the
dots, full information

1469
01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:51,000
dominance. That's that is his
word information dominance. This

1470
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,610
good look it up. This is the
word he uses information

1471
01:29:53,610 --> 01:29:57,000
dominance. But this guy's
insane. And by the way,

1472
01:29:57,540 --> 01:29:59,700
whistleblowing kills

1473
01:29:59,820 --> 01:30:03,240
people MS is the bad guys are
amongst us, they will figure it

1474
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,260
out. This happened in 1998,
after the East African embassy

1475
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:12,480
bombings, somebody revealed
publicly that the way we tracked

1476
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:16,710
bin Laden was through SATCOM
communications. Within two days,

1477
01:30:16,710 --> 01:30:19,050
we never saw bin Laden and
communications again.

1478
01:30:20,970 --> 01:30:25,650
Right, so just to translate
someone, I guess he doesn't even

1479
01:30:25,650 --> 01:30:26,250
know who

1480
01:30:27,570 --> 01:30:30,090
Lee has. He got so much
information. Who was this

1481
01:30:30,090 --> 01:30:30,690
someone

1482
01:30:30,690 --> 01:30:34,860
leaked this incredible
information that they were

1483
01:30:34,860 --> 01:30:38,940
tracking Osama bin Laden through
satellite phone technology,

1484
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:43,110
which of course, the sand
bunnies are too dumb to know.

1485
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:47,700
But oh, no, someone leaked the
information. Now the man in the

1486
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:51,690
cave knows we're tracking his
satellite phone. Oh, my

1487
01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:56,010
goodness, he couldn't figure
that out for himself. Dick.

1488
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,780
My concern is the revealing of
these programmes allow

1489
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:03,360
terrorists to know the best
weapons that we have against

1490
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:07,950
them. It will cause irreversible
and significant damage. And it

1491
01:31:07,950 --> 01:31:10,650
means that terrorists now have
an upper edge in conducting

1492
01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:13,110
attacks probably in Europe and
potentially in the United

1493
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:17,850
States, just like that toppling
is reduced. And so when people

1494
01:31:17,850 --> 01:31:21,600
die, those that are responsible
for leaking it are the ones who

1495
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,080
should be held accountable. Gang
Hey, Glenn

1496
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,960
Greenwald. You are gonna die,
you're gonna be off guard aren't

1497
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,630
gonna be hung. Now, he takes it
further.

1498
01:31:33,660 --> 01:31:36,060
Whereas what he's saying what
he's what the subtext is, is

1499
01:31:36,060 --> 01:31:39,870
that our systems are so weak.
And we're so borderline

1500
01:31:39,870 --> 01:31:43,170
incompetent that one little
piece of information gets out

1501
01:31:43,230 --> 01:31:46,320
like the fact that that we're
buying falls apart because

1502
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:49,860
there's we have note that the
thing is not sturdy, it's not

1503
01:31:49,860 --> 01:31:50,790
rugged. It's

1504
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:55,290
proof is in the pudding. Boston,
Boston Marathon bombing, the

1505
01:31:55,290 --> 01:32:00,210
proof is right there doesn't
work. Doesn't work. It didn't

1506
01:32:00,210 --> 01:32:02,910
know no one picked it up. No one
knew anything. These guys, I'm

1507
01:32:02,910 --> 01:32:05,640
just telling you the official
story. Hey, these guys were over

1508
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,490
there. And you know, the former
Russian stage and getting

1509
01:32:08,490 --> 01:32:11,790
information and mosques and
everything. Didn't work it full

1510
01:32:11,790 --> 01:32:15,330
of shit Kaiser. But you know
what, we got to stop the press?

1511
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:15,630
Well,

1512
01:32:15,660 --> 01:32:22,770
the other part is I think it's
wrong that that newspaper

1513
01:32:22,770 --> 01:32:26,160
reporters have all these
documents, 50,000, whatever they

1514
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:30,990
have, and are selling them and
giving them out. As if these you

1515
01:32:30,990 --> 01:32:34,020
know, just doesn't make sense.
We got to come up with a way of

1516
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:36,660
stopping it. I don't know how to
do that. That's more of the

1517
01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:40,200
courts and the policymakers. But
from my perspective, it's wrong.

1518
01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:42,510
And to allow this go on is
wrong.

1519
01:32:43,230 --> 01:32:46,290
If you can't allow it to go on,
we have to stop this

1520
01:32:46,290 --> 01:32:49,680
guy is an anti American
douchebag. You're right, let

1521
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,980
me play. But let me just let you
know what he considers

1522
01:32:52,980 --> 01:32:53,940
himself a patriot.

1523
01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:55,380
Thank you for asking.

1524
01:32:55,410 --> 01:32:58,020
All of these things are running
together. I think it's

1525
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:01,650
absolutely superb. And by
bringing that together, our

1526
01:33:01,650 --> 01:33:05,340
nation, Team cyber is better
protected, and it would ever be

1527
01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:09,930
great people doing a great job.
They're the heroes. It should

1528
01:33:09,930 --> 01:33:14,580
never be a question in anyone's
mind. This leaker is not a Hero,

1529
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:19,170
hero, he will have caused lives.
Why I think that's irresponsible

1530
01:33:19,170 --> 01:33:22,770
and significant damage to this
nation, irreversible and

1531
01:33:22,770 --> 01:33:27,900
significant damage. And that
will come out eventually. But

1532
01:33:27,900 --> 01:33:31,710
the people who are protecting
us, those people of NSA and

1533
01:33:31,710 --> 01:33:34,830
Cyber Command, they're the
heroes, and they're the ones

1534
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:39,180
that deserve the kudos from the
American people.

1535
01:33:40,650 --> 01:33:43,950
Kudos, because for what have
they done?

1536
01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:51,840
spying and they haven't stopped
well, okay, so no, so So now I

1537
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,920
started to look around. Now
you're the one that that brought

1538
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:02,910
up. And the fifth big 54 Number.
The 54 number is the 54

1539
01:34:03,930 --> 01:34:12,300
incidents that the NSA has
apparently stopped. Big 54 And I

1540
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,390
didn't pull the old clip from
the Who was the guy that that we

1541
01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:16,740
played the clip from John. Yeah,
he

1542
01:34:16,740 --> 01:34:19,710
was one of the he was briefing a
bunch of staffers, right. I

1543
01:34:19,710 --> 01:34:22,440
can't remember his name. Right.
Right. The big staffer day. It

1544
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:25,770
was a staffer day and he was in
his he went through the whole

1545
01:34:25,770 --> 01:34:28,320
thing he says there was none
there was no there was bad.

1546
01:34:28,350 --> 01:34:30,690
Pretty much. He can't find that
clip because there's actually a

1547
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,360
funny bit in there where they
they even make claims that

1548
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,150
weren't true. Like the jury
found there was no jury kind of

1549
01:34:36,150 --> 01:34:36,420
thing.

1550
01:34:37,019 --> 01:34:40,949
I could probably find that
pretty quick. You'd be amazed.

1551
01:34:40,949 --> 01:34:47,039
Let me see. Just go for 54 Let's
see while I search. Oh my make

1552
01:34:47,039 --> 01:34:52,949
it lucky. Well, I went back and
I found I guess both of us miss

1553
01:34:52,949 --> 01:34:58,349
this Kaiser Alexander on October
2 was being grilled by Lee

1554
01:34:58,559 --> 01:35:07,259
Leahy. Lay he? And I think lay
he somehow this guy. Oh no, I

1555
01:35:07,260 --> 01:35:09,540
don't think we miss it. I know
exactly what this clip is. I

1556
01:35:09,540 --> 01:35:12,330
think we had this clip. This is
where les he calls him out on

1557
01:35:12,330 --> 01:35:13,200
the 54.

1558
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:17,310
I don't remember this. Yes, I we
had the clip and we played it.

1559
01:35:17,340 --> 01:35:20,550
And what do you recall him
saying about the 50? Forces? It

1560
01:35:20,550 --> 01:35:24,390
was bullcrap. Right? So let's it
but But what lay it again? Yeah.

1561
01:35:24,450 --> 01:35:28,680
So this is the 54. Turns out, it
was really only maybe 13. And

1562
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:29,280
not all

1563
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,910
of them were dubious. And it was
mostly about money transfer.

1564
01:35:32,910 --> 01:35:35,130
There was no real terrorist
plots been stopped. But the

1565
01:35:35,130 --> 01:35:37,830
thing that I heard and this is
about a minute and a half,

1566
01:35:38,130 --> 01:35:44,880
listen to Kaiser Alexander melt
into this little timid boy,

1567
01:35:45,540 --> 01:35:50,370
because I think a key knows
that, you know, he's really

1568
01:35:50,370 --> 01:35:55,170
running an empty shop. To be I
think lay he has something on

1569
01:35:55,170 --> 01:35:55,590
him.

1570
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,620
Yeah, this I got that same
impression. There's something up

1571
01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:00,900
with something's going on with
this, that you're gonna play.

1572
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:06,150
Lay he lazy, the lazy, so hard.
Yes. Right. There's something

1573
01:36:06,150 --> 01:36:06,420
going

1574
01:36:06,690 --> 01:36:10,470
for terrorists pause for
thwarted by the use of Section

1575
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:15,480
215 and or section 702
authorities has plainly wrong.

1576
01:36:16,590 --> 01:36:19,440
But we still get it in the
letters to members of Congress,

1577
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:23,430
we get it in statements. He's
written all plots and they

1578
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:28,200
weren't all thwarted. The
American people are getting left

1579
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:32,670
with inaccurate impression of
the effectiveness of NSA

1580
01:36:32,670 --> 01:36:38,430
programmes. Would you agree with
the 54 cases that keep getting

1581
01:36:38,430 --> 01:36:42,420
cited by the administration or
not all plots? And other

1582
01:36:42,420 --> 01:36:45,930
vertical only 13 had some nexus
to the US? Would you agree with

1583
01:36:45,930 --> 01:36:51,480
that? Yes or no? Yes. Okay. At
our last hearing, Deputy

1584
01:36:51,480 --> 01:36:55,050
Director English testimony
stated that there's only really

1585
01:36:55,050 --> 01:37:01,200
one example of a case where but
for the use of Section D, I

1586
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:07,440
liked it just Yes. Yes. He just
he just Yes, done. Yes. And now

1587
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:11,070
he tries to crawl back a little
bit by saying, Well, you know,

1588
01:37:11,190 --> 01:37:14,640
what, only 13 were in the UN and
lay, he's going to shut his ass

1589
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:15,240
down. Listen

1590
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:19,650
to 15, bulk phone records
collection, terrorist activity,

1591
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:21,960
we stopped doing this right.

1592
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:27,780
is right. I believe he said to
Chairman, I may have that wrong,

1593
01:37:27,780 --> 01:37:31,140
but I think he said too. And I
would like to point out that it

1594
01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:34,650
could only have applied in 13 of
the cases because of the 54

1595
01:37:34,650 --> 01:37:39,360
terrorist plots or events. Only
13 occurred in the US business

1596
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,160
record. Pfizer was only used.
Well, I

1597
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:46,350
understand that. But I worry
about some of the statements at

1598
01:37:46,350 --> 01:37:50,100
all as all as well. And we have
these overstatements, what's

1599
01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:52,920
going on? We're talking about
massive, massive, massive

1600
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:58,290
collection. I totally have to do
that. To protect us. And then

1601
01:37:58,290 --> 01:38:02,820
statistics are rolled out. If
they're not accurate, it doesn't

1602
01:38:02,820 --> 01:38:05,160
have the credibility here and
the Congress doesn't have the

1603
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:06,240
credibility with us.

1604
01:38:07,019 --> 01:38:10,139
And I think I'm not even hearing
lady being on our side of this

1605
01:38:10,139 --> 01:38:13,499
argument. I'm hearing him like,
Hey, listen, you little twerp.

1606
01:38:13,709 --> 01:38:15,899
Shape up your statistics, you
moron.

1607
01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:19,410
Yeah, you're making us look bad.

1608
01:38:19,410 --> 01:38:24,510
Yeah, you're making us look bad
when we know you're slipping. So

1609
01:38:24,570 --> 01:38:28,080
So I am of the opinion after
listening. And you and if you if

1610
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,690
you see this interview, of
course, in the show notes, 560

1611
01:38:30,690 --> 01:38:34,380
dot n a show notes.com. With the
creepy music going on the whole

1612
01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:42,000
time. It is unnerving. And I do
not believe the NSA is capable

1613
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:48,750
of anything. Except after the
fact that they are essentially a

1614
01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:54,270
big data storage and the FBI and
other agencies already using

1615
01:38:54,270 --> 01:38:57,360
them. So they can subpoena
information. And the FBI

1616
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,900
is using this is just the sweep
it's dragnet. Exactly. And

1617
01:39:00,930 --> 01:39:04,410
there's other aspects involved
and only Dennis cousine edge.

1618
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:08,070
The only guy so far that I've
heard who says this, and I have

1619
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:11,340
the clip here, only Dennis would
say this, here he goes,

1620
01:39:12,210 --> 01:39:15,060
of surveillance that's occurring
of world leaders. But there's

1621
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:17,040
another issue here too. And I
know we don't have a lot of

1622
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:21,660
time, but keep this in mind. We
don't we don't we don't look at

1623
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:23,970
Germany as being a threat.
There's not some terrorism issue

1624
01:39:23,970 --> 01:39:26,820
here. But there is an economic
issue. And we've got to start

1625
01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:31,080
asking questions. Is this spying
being done to advantage certain

1626
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,050
corporate interest in the United
States and other corporate

1627
01:39:34,050 --> 01:39:36,990
interests globally? Because
there's terrorism isn't an

1628
01:39:37,020 --> 01:39:41,460
issue. We need to know to find
out

1629
01:39:41,550 --> 01:39:46,950
Yeah, AlJazeera had a great Al
Jazeera America had a very good

1630
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:49,800
piece on this and this does kind
of flow into where I think a lot

1631
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:55,020
of this is headed. You know,
yesterday there was a big or

1632
01:39:55,020 --> 01:39:57,810
there was supposed to be a big
demonstration in Washington

1633
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:03,420
called Stop watching. us, and
it's a little was this an eff

1634
01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:07,950
thing because if you go to a
website, it doesn't really say

1635
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:12,330
who's behind this. And they had
they didn't really. I mean,

1636
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,810
whoever did this and they had
professional signs. That really

1637
01:40:15,810 --> 01:40:20,640
sucked. Okay. It was and I'm all
for the protesting. I think it's

1638
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,610
good. I think, you know, I did
see some homemade signs so I

1639
01:40:23,610 --> 01:40:26,940
think some people are really
getting into protesting stop

1640
01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:31,710
watching us. This the Celebrate
ease they had were Wil Wheaton.

1641
01:40:33,630 --> 01:40:40,950
Maggie Jagan jag and Hall met
her name is Daniel Ellsberg. And

1642
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:45,240
I think they had one senator.
Now, if Wil Wheaton had gone to

1643
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,210
DC, and he may have but I
certainly didn't see they had no

1644
01:40:48,210 --> 01:40:53,370
celebrities. They had no one. No
one piping up. No one there for

1645
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:59,100
you know for the big show. And
so here's how NBC portrayed the

1646
01:40:59,610 --> 01:41:01,320
the the demonstration.

1647
01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:06,870
hundreds of demonstrators
marched on Capitol Hill today

1648
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:11,400
protesting NSA surveillance, the
whistleblowers and cheering a

1649
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:15,300
fresh message from their hero in
Moscow. Fugitive ex NSA

1650
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:16,890
contractor, Edward Snowden.

1651
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,080
Do you hear how this is being
positioned? Isn't that

1652
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,150
interesting? They're here on
Moscow,

1653
01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:25,650
the loron Tea Party Republican
Congressman Justin Tea Party OSH

1654
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:26,520
said Snowden

1655
01:41:26,580 --> 01:41:30,030
this is this is mind boggling.
That this is George

1656
01:41:30,030 --> 01:41:33,360
Stephanopoulos, a Clinton
operative a democratic

1657
01:41:33,540 --> 01:41:36,570
Stephanopoulos? Yes, though this
is ABC,

1658
01:41:37,170 --> 01:41:40,320
or maybe ABC. I'm sorry, why
does NBC maybe it's not him. It

1659
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:45,480
doesn't matter to NBC. Whatever
it is, it's not. It's anti right

1660
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:48,990
wing. It's pro Obama
administration. And yeah,

1661
01:41:48,990 --> 01:41:51,300
it sounds like in 100
protesters. I mean, why even

1662
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:55,020
cover it? But but that's not I
mean, the the throw in Snowdens

1663
01:41:55,020 --> 01:41:56,010
in Moscow opened

1664
01:41:56,010 --> 01:41:59,430
America's eyes to what the NSA
is doing. are you grateful that

1665
01:41:59,430 --> 01:42:02,580
he's done what he did? We
wouldn't have the reforms to the

1666
01:42:02,580 --> 01:42:08,940
NSA, if not for what he did. It
comes amid yet more fallout

1667
01:42:08,940 --> 01:42:11,010
overseas from the Snowden
disclosures.

1668
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,020
Okay, so he's like we have to
talk about what

1669
01:42:13,050 --> 01:42:13,980
reforms

1670
01:42:14,309 --> 01:42:18,779
there's no reforms, still
reforms, talking about another

1671
01:42:18,779 --> 01:42:21,149
vapid vac vacuous Cypher.

1672
01:42:21,450 --> 01:42:24,990
The German magazine Der Spiegel,
which has gotten access to some

1673
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:28,110
Snowden documents reported
today, the NSA had actually

1674
01:42:28,110 --> 01:42:31,650
targeted German Chancellor
Angela Merkel's cell phone since

1675
01:42:31,650 --> 01:42:36,180
2002. By the way, it's Angola,
not Angela, while she was still

1676
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:40,020
an opposition leader. This just
days after President Obama was

1677
01:42:40,020 --> 01:42:43,260
forced to personally apologise
to Merkel over earlier

1678
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:47,190
disclosures of NSA snooping, as
well as a presidential pledge to

1679
01:42:47,190 --> 01:42:51,150
Mexican President Enrique Pena
Nieto to investigate reports the

1680
01:42:51,150 --> 01:42:55,530
NSA hacked into his computer,
but one world leader did rally

1681
01:42:55,530 --> 01:42:57,150
to the NSA is defence. Who could

1682
01:42:57,150 --> 01:43:00,270
that be? Who wouldn't be
rallying to our defence? Let me

1683
01:43:00,270 --> 01:43:03,480
see somebody we have a special
relationship with

1684
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:05,550
British Prime Minister David
Cameron

1685
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:09,780
is doing and to an extent what
the newspapers are doing in

1686
01:43:09,780 --> 01:43:11,340
helping him doing what he's
doing.

1687
01:43:14,490 --> 01:43:17,100
Okay, to the extent the
newspapers are helping doing

1688
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:19,770
what he's doing to the thing he
was doing while I was doing this

1689
01:43:19,770 --> 01:43:21,300
and doing that, it's not good
what

1690
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:23,730
the newspapers are doing and
helping him doing what he's

1691
01:43:23,730 --> 01:43:24,120
doing.

1692
01:43:25,860 --> 01:43:30,150
Who wrote that who wrote that?
Fire that is frankly,

1693
01:43:30,179 --> 01:43:35,969
signalling to people who mean to
do us harm? How to evade and

1694
01:43:35,969 --> 01:43:41,939
avoid intelligence. Wow. Wow,
crap.

1695
01:43:41,969 --> 01:43:45,959
What's there was he but fucking
Kaiser Alexander? I'm sorry, I

1696
01:43:45,959 --> 01:43:48,539
did that. That was my
Tourette's. I'm angry about

1697
01:43:48,539 --> 01:43:53,189
this. This is so insulting. This
is so insulting. How these

1698
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:56,729
people are propagating this
message in in the news media.

1699
01:43:57,959 --> 01:44:01,109
He's not calling anyone on this.
What are they talking about?

1700
01:44:02,069 --> 01:44:06,059
This, it's simply not true. We
just went through a half hour of

1701
01:44:06,059 --> 01:44:09,419
listening to all this fantastic
stuff that the NSA does, which

1702
01:44:09,419 --> 01:44:13,919
is normal, like, you know, wow,
Gee, what a surprise. We sniff

1703
01:44:13,919 --> 01:44:17,579
packets or whatever. We listen
to phone calls. But because the

1704
01:44:17,579 --> 01:44:21,989
terrorists now know this, oh, my
god, we're all going to die. And

1705
01:44:21,989 --> 01:44:25,979
this has been propagated by
world leaders CBS and they have

1706
01:44:25,979 --> 01:44:29,339
no shame protesters in America.
Don't look at that

1707
01:44:29,340 --> 01:44:33,480
but been convinced and you know
this, even though you think ABC

1708
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:36,450
I have always believed CBS is at
the forefront of this the

1709
01:44:36,450 --> 01:44:36,900
Western

1710
01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:40,290
edition of the broadcast. Some
of the strongest allies of the

1711
01:44:40,290 --> 01:44:43,890
United States are among its most
vocal critics tonight, amid

1712
01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:47,370
revelations that the NSA
eavesdropped on world leaders.

1713
01:44:47,700 --> 01:44:50,730
Several 100 demonstrators
rallied near the US Capitol this

1714
01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:53,850
afternoon, criticising the
practice of electronic

1715
01:44:53,850 --> 01:44:57,060
surveillance and that's enough
about that. But it's Kelly Kobe

1716
01:44:57,060 --> 01:45:03,120
as far from Washington. And
that's actually better by all

1717
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:04,320
accounts the leaders of

1718
01:45:05,220 --> 01:45:10,470
all right, so then we have I
think this is Kelly woman now

1719
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:12,300
she had it right. And this is
where we're going to kind of

1720
01:45:12,300 --> 01:45:15,120
wait before I get to that. Let
me play you a little bit of tour

1721
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:20,850
a tour ad Touray, who probably
right now is on MSNBC saying,

1722
01:45:21,300 --> 01:45:25,230
Oh, lewrie died. Wow, that's
horrible. Which he did. By the

1723
01:45:25,230 --> 01:45:26,250
way, Lou Reed died.

1724
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,520
Yes. I know. He tweeted, yeah,
so,

1725
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,390
so horrible, because Touray is a
music journalist, or a music

1726
01:45:33,420 --> 01:45:39,480
aficionado or whatever. So how
does he as a as a as a

1727
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:44,760
prostitute? How does he defend
what this administration is

1728
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,410
doing to the American citizen I

1729
01:45:46,559 --> 01:45:49,199
was when I was a kid, I did
something really bad. And my dad

1730
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:51,089
took me to my grandmother's
house and he told her what I

1731
01:45:51,089 --> 01:45:54,029
did. And she pulled me aside and
she said, it's not bad that you

1732
01:45:54,029 --> 01:45:56,999
did it. It's bad that you got
caught. And I think that's what

1733
01:45:56,999 --> 01:45:59,729
we have going on here. That it's
really bad that we got caught

1734
01:45:59,729 --> 01:46:06,149
and my damage. Oh, absolutely.
Love her God rest her soul. But

1735
01:46:06,329 --> 01:46:09,029
you know what, it's gonna damage
some relationships. But if we

1736
01:46:09,029 --> 01:46:14,309
weren't doing it until spying on
people like this, Angela Merkel,

1737
01:46:14,309 --> 01:46:17,369
Kim Jong Il Kim Jong Un anybody,
then we would be derelict in our

1738
01:46:17,369 --> 01:46:20,099
duty. Of course, we should be
spying on these folks. We have

1739
01:46:20,099 --> 01:46:23,459
to have the information. That's
why we have a CIA we have to

1740
01:46:23,459 --> 01:46:27,269
know, look, Germany, in
particular is shorting the euro.

1741
01:46:27,269 --> 01:46:30,269
We have to know that what
they're telling us publicly is

1742
01:46:30,269 --> 01:46:32,399
what they actually believe
privately so we can have

1743
01:46:32,399 --> 01:46:34,619
confidence in what's going on in
the Eurozone.

1744
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:37,680
saying, okay,

1745
01:46:37,710 --> 01:46:40,830
hold on. You did this to me a
couple of times. I'm doing it to

1746
01:46:40,830 --> 01:46:44,430
you. I don't want to hear
another clip from that idiot

1747
01:46:44,580 --> 01:46:45,750
ever again.

1748
01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:50,070
But he's so entertaining. He is
an idiot. Okay. All right, that

1749
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:53,610
you have every right in the
world. I will not play another

1750
01:46:53,610 --> 01:46:55,830
clip from him ever, no matter
how good it is.

1751
01:46:57,750 --> 01:47:00,960
So I they're not good. None of
them are good. It's just a guy

1752
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:06,000
who shouldn't even this guy
should not be on the air. He's

1753
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,970
just an idiot. He's just going
on and on with this kind of

1754
01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:14,400
bullcrap. Now, that said, I do
have a clip from France 20 van

1755
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:17,970
cat, on spying. And this was
they have these little round

1756
01:47:17,970 --> 01:47:21,900
tables. And they put together a
little team, they had a guy from

1757
01:47:21,900 --> 01:47:24,750
a Huffington Post, but the guy
that they first started talking

1758
01:47:24,750 --> 01:47:28,140
to his a French guy, even though
he has a weird English accent, I

1759
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:30,690
don't know where he's where he
learned his English. But he

1760
01:47:30,690 --> 01:47:33,960
talks and I think, and this is
the meme, that's been you've

1761
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:37,830
been complaining about it. I've
been complaining about this,

1762
01:47:37,860 --> 01:47:42,300
this guy exhibits the same meme
from a French perspective. And

1763
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:43,920
it's I think it's unacceptable

1764
01:47:43,950 --> 01:47:47,490
businesses business and the
business of intelligent snooping

1765
01:47:47,610 --> 01:47:50,250
and snooping on each other as
part of the game. It is

1766
01:47:50,250 --> 01:47:54,600
expected. It always has been so
from the World War Two, I mean,

1767
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:59,310
ever, ever. So I think what is
shocking to the French and the

1768
01:47:59,310 --> 01:48:03,870
Europeans is not the spying by
itself. It's the extent and the

1769
01:48:03,870 --> 01:48:07,710
systematic character of the
spying, which they did not

1770
01:48:08,070 --> 01:48:09,510
suspect. But perhaps

1771
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:11,880
I mean, that's the senior
correspondent in new spying, you

1772
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:15,090
know, you know how the world
works. But as a private

1773
01:48:15,090 --> 01:48:18,810
individual, do you care any in
any way, shape or form that

1774
01:48:18,810 --> 01:48:24,090
perhaps your SMS is sent to your
family or to your businesses may

1775
01:48:24,090 --> 01:48:25,890
have been intercepted and read?

1776
01:48:26,669 --> 01:48:30,989
You see, I, British colleague of
mine wrote a long piece on that.

1777
01:48:31,019 --> 01:48:35,129
What I remember is that I could
not avoid the conclusion. He

1778
01:48:35,129 --> 01:48:39,749
said, unless you want to go back
to the caves, there is no way

1779
01:48:39,749 --> 01:48:43,229
you can avoid it. So if you
can't, if you can't beat them,

1780
01:48:43,229 --> 01:48:48,029
just accept it, then I meant you
imagine. The firewall says if

1781
01:48:48,029 --> 01:48:51,569
you can, just sniffing packets.

1782
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,980
Now we take this back and let's
go back to what's really going

1783
01:48:55,980 --> 01:49:01,650
on here. Blackmail, insider
trading. Yes, US espionage,

1784
01:49:01,770 --> 01:49:04,620
industrial espionage, which we
were always trained was a bad

1785
01:49:04,620 --> 01:49:07,200
idea and a bad thing. It has to
be stopped. That's what we're

1786
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,530
doing. It's this, and I think
has been proven with I think

1787
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:14,610
Kristin has nailed it. There is
no terrorism plot coming from

1788
01:49:14,610 --> 01:49:18,270
Merkel's phone. She's not going
to be talking about let's you

1789
01:49:18,270 --> 01:49:20,850
know, Let's bomb something
that's so why is she being

1790
01:49:20,850 --> 01:49:23,010
monitored? Well, she because
first of all, she would say

1791
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,100
information that leads to
somebody making a profit,

1792
01:49:26,130 --> 01:49:30,060
yes, in the euro zone. And by
the way, she would say let's

1793
01:49:30,060 --> 01:49:34,680
bombed. Kizer Alexander,
actually, I'll go back to this.

1794
01:49:34,710 --> 01:49:38,970
He explained the French example.
And in his explanation, he

1795
01:49:38,970 --> 01:49:43,080
admits we have record or I don't
know if you wouldn't call it

1796
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:48,330
recorded, but we have a copy of
the content. This is what's so

1797
01:49:48,330 --> 01:49:52,050
funny about his answer, which
again, no one will talk about no

1798
01:49:52,050 --> 01:49:53,820
one will analyse this. And I
think

1799
01:49:53,820 --> 01:49:59,100
what's happened is the papers
convolute the stories and they

1800
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:02,340
immediately say 70 million, you
know, think of this. We got one

1801
01:50:02,340 --> 01:50:06,090
today about 70 million phone
calls that are being intercepted

1802
01:50:06,090 --> 01:50:10,110
in Paris over a one month time
period. Think about that. 17

1803
01:50:10,110 --> 01:50:12,840
million phone calls. Now, I
don't know how many phone calls

1804
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:16,980
you get a day, let's say 30. But
let's say they're in a foreign

1805
01:50:16,980 --> 01:50:21,180
language, because most French
people speak French. Just

1806
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,120
putting it on the table, just
not a hard thing to fall. It's

1807
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:25,020
not complicated.

1808
01:50:25,050 --> 01:50:28,860
It's not complicated. What, how
patronising? Can you be a whole?

1809
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:32,460
So you'd need French language?
And if you were did 2 million

1810
01:50:32,460 --> 01:50:36,960
French phone calls a day? Listen
to him and tried to write them

1811
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:46,380
down? How many people would that
take? More than a few more than

1812
01:50:46,380 --> 01:50:51,750
too few months. So you know,
their average analyst might be

1813
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:54,300
able to do one every 15 minutes
for an hour times.

1814
01:50:54,630 --> 01:50:58,230
That's interesting information.
Or average analyst only does it

1815
01:50:58,230 --> 01:51:01,440
15 minutes, he's giving away the
fact that they do this.

1816
01:51:02,070 --> 01:51:04,140
So you know, their average,

1817
01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:08,460
by the way, that's a breach.
That's a security breach. Right?

1818
01:51:08,460 --> 01:51:09,150
There were of course

1819
01:51:09,150 --> 01:51:12,720
it is, of course, the guy is he
his name is Kaiser breach,

1820
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:13,560
Alexandros might

1821
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:17,100
be able to do one every 15
minutes for an hour times h 32.

1822
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:20,820
Divide 32 into there, you're
gonna need about, you know, a

1823
01:51:20,850 --> 01:51:25,140
little bit less than 100,000
people, just for France, and

1824
01:51:25,140 --> 01:51:28,680
France as an ally. It's absurd.
They get it wrong. It actually

1825
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,950
has nothing to do with
collecting on France. But the

1826
01:51:31,950 --> 01:51:35,610
reporters who got this see this
data and quickly run to the

1827
01:51:35,610 --> 01:51:36,690
wrong conclusion.

1828
01:51:37,470 --> 01:51:40,590
The conclusion is, you can't
even do it.

1829
01:51:41,130 --> 01:51:44,730
Well, the just to the wrong
conclusion is obvious. Yeah,

1830
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:50,010
it's about industrial espionage.
It's about blackmail. It's about

1831
01:51:50,010 --> 01:51:53,190
insider trading. It's not about
that. So the wrong conclusion is

1832
01:51:53,190 --> 01:51:55,440
that they're spying on the
French for that there is no

1833
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:58,740
conclusion. The mainstream media
and except for cousine, it was

1834
01:51:58,740 --> 01:52:02,640
not in the media has never
brought this possibility up. All

1835
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:05,520
they talk about is the terror
terror threat. Now

1836
01:52:05,550 --> 01:52:09,390
now. Now, I'm going to get to a
place with some help from one of

1837
01:52:09,390 --> 01:52:13,140
our producers. First back to
CBS, who of course called the

1838
01:52:13,140 --> 01:52:17,880
real potential issue that is
being discussed now at the EU

1839
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:18,990
summit, the US

1840
01:52:18,990 --> 01:52:23,070
seems just as surprised to find
another secret was out. Thanks

1841
01:52:23,070 --> 01:52:27,750
once again, to NSA leaker Edward
Snowden. Now senior White House

1842
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:30,870
officials tell CBS News that
they're warning their allies

1843
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:33,330
about what Snowden might release
next.

1844
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:36,660
Interesting, right. So then so
this is very interesting, what's

1845
01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:39,360
taking place here. And I think
there's something behind it that

1846
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:43,410
Fleetway stop before he'd say Go
on. Can I asked something here,

1847
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:49,920
of course. Did Snowden release
all this stuff already to be

1848
01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:50,940
doled out?

1849
01:52:52,110 --> 01:52:56,070
Well, when people say that what
they're really saying is Glenn

1850
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:59,580
Greenwald or Laura Poitras, or

1851
01:52:59,730 --> 01:53:00,630
Snowden is out of the

1852
01:53:00,630 --> 01:53:03,780
loop. Yes, no, he's given
everything. Apparently he you

1853
01:53:03,780 --> 01:53:08,160
know, this is all just being
handled by Pierre Omidyar at

1854
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:08,790
eBay now.

1855
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:13,920
So this report is basically
inaccurate from the get go.

1856
01:53:13,980 --> 01:53:14,580
Well,

1857
01:53:15,270 --> 01:53:18,480
yes, and no, you just let me
follow through on this.

1858
01:53:18,509 --> 01:53:21,119
Okay. I'm just gonna say I just
want people to realise that this

1859
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:23,939
is. This is dramatising
bullcrap, this

1860
01:53:23,940 --> 01:53:26,820
is the same as WikiLeaks,
WikiLeaks was not releasing

1861
01:53:26,820 --> 01:53:31,590
anything WikiLeaks had given
information for analysis to the

1862
01:53:31,590 --> 01:53:36,360
times to Spiegel to The
Guardian, it's the same thing.

1863
01:53:36,570 --> 01:53:40,440
It is press and who controls
press who controls media,

1864
01:53:40,860 --> 01:53:43,770
corporate entities and
governments control that. So

1865
01:53:43,770 --> 01:53:46,920
this is something on a bigger
scale that has nothing to do

1866
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:51,120
with little whistleblowers and I
would also say has nothing to do

1867
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,210
with little Greenwald's. I think
they're just peons in a bigger

1868
01:53:54,210 --> 01:53:57,030
game. And part of the game has
come into play here in this

1869
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:57,720
reports,

1870
01:53:58,140 --> 01:54:01,950
there is a better understanding
of what Snowden has, but there

1871
01:54:01,950 --> 01:54:05,580
is no way of knowing the next
shoe to drop. German leader

1872
01:54:05,580 --> 01:54:09,240
Angela Merkel said her trust in
the US has been severely shaken

1873
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:13,020
after allegations this week that
the NSA tapped her private cell

1874
01:54:13,020 --> 01:54:16,800
phone. Snowdens latest batch of
leaked documents delivered to a

1875
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:21,420
newspaper also alleged that the
NSA access to 10s of 1000s of

1876
01:54:21,420 --> 01:54:26,430
French phone records and tapped
the phones of 35. World leaders.

1877
01:54:26,610 --> 01:54:30,300
State Department spokeswoman Jen
Psaki said spying tactics were

1878
01:54:30,300 --> 01:54:33,360
under review. We want to ensure
we're collecting information

1879
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,840
because we need it and not just
because we can. Germany and

1880
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:40,230
France are demanding to know why
the National Security Agency

1881
01:54:40,230 --> 01:54:44,430
through such a wide spying net,
they were caught up in it. They

1882
01:54:44,430 --> 01:54:48,480
want the US to sign up to a code
of conduct like the no spying

1883
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:51,900
deal the US has with Canada,
Britain, Australia and New

1884
01:54:51,900 --> 01:54:56,280
Zealand. And there's talk of
multimillion dollar fines for US

1885
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:59,580
companies who don't protect the
privacy of their European

1886
01:54:59,580 --> 01:55:02,880
customers. are saying Here
comes. There's a lot at stake,

1887
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,630
including a massive free trade
deal with Europe. The European

1888
01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:08,850
Union and the German
intelligence service are both

1889
01:55:08,850 --> 01:55:11,550
sending teams to the US next
week to meet with government

1890
01:55:11,550 --> 01:55:14,700
officials about spying. But as
one former French Foreign

1891
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:18,360
Minister put it, let's be
honest, we eavesdropped to.

1892
01:55:18,690 --> 01:55:25,440
Okay, now I got an email from
one of our producers, and she, I

1893
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:30,540
believe, is in the military. I
did not talk to her about that

1894
01:55:30,540 --> 01:55:32,850
I'm not going to mention I'm not
gonna give a name. But I do want

1895
01:55:32,850 --> 01:55:35,940
to read this note, because it
got me thinking that maybe we're

1896
01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:40,470
seeing this thing completely
wrong, and that maybe it's not

1897
01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:44,250
just the individual pieces, but
there might be a coordinated

1898
01:55:44,250 --> 01:55:48,960
attack taking place. Adam, thank
you, John, for your courage. So

1899
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,210
I'm listening to the show and
you're talking about Frau Merkel

1900
01:55:51,210 --> 01:55:53,550
being so pissed, I'd like to
draw your attention to something

1901
01:55:53,550 --> 01:55:57,870
I believe is one angle.
Remember, the BRICs. Everything

1902
01:55:57,870 --> 01:56:01,170
ties together nicely when you
stop thinking in terms of Putin

1903
01:56:01,170 --> 01:56:04,560
and Russia and see everything as
the BRICs. That's Brazil,

1904
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:09,300
Russia, India, China and South
Africa, who would love to make a

1905
01:56:09,300 --> 01:56:12,600
a competing bank to the IMF and
the World Bank? Now go back to

1906
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:16,110
the Snowden leak the countries
named were Brazil, India, China

1907
01:56:16,140 --> 01:56:19,770
and the EU and Germany. Outside
of Germany, everything falls

1908
01:56:19,770 --> 01:56:22,560
into place except for Germany,
but you can't do a massive

1909
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:25,110
takeover of the banking
industry. Without it without the

1910
01:56:25,110 --> 01:56:29,460
EU and more importantly, Germany
behind you, Brazil, as we know,

1911
01:56:29,460 --> 01:56:32,040
refuse to come to a state
dinner. Next thing that happened

1912
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:34,350
is Brazil's calling for an
immediate meeting of the Latin

1913
01:56:34,350 --> 01:56:37,440
American countries, followed by
a protest at the UN meeting.

1914
01:56:37,470 --> 01:56:41,940
Where does Greenwald live?
Brazil? Where is Snowden right

1915
01:56:41,940 --> 01:56:47,460
now? Russia. China is calling
for a less Americanized world.

1916
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:51,870
It's noted landed first in Hong
Kong, then moved on to Moscow.

1917
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:55,290
Now we have France and from
Merkel furious Germany signed a

1918
01:56:55,290 --> 01:56:58,920
huge trade deal with China a
year or two ago, whereas Laura

1919
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:03,000
portress, Germany, keep an eye
on trade deals with the BRIC

1920
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:06,570
countries or larger trade deals
in South America also watch

1921
01:57:06,570 --> 01:57:09,870
Germany's energy problems.
Russia, I think will swoop in

1922
01:57:09,870 --> 01:57:13,680
and save Germany's energy
problems soon. Russia just

1923
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:17,100
passed the anti Hollywood laws
just in time for China to build

1924
01:57:17,100 --> 01:57:20,010
a new movie studio. Again, I
think the BRICS have been

1925
01:57:20,010 --> 01:57:22,920
overlooked and not taken
seriously imagine what the world

1926
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,350
would look like if say a few
Latin American countries other

1927
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:29,580
than Brazil, Germany, and the
African countries and China lead

1928
01:57:29,580 --> 01:57:32,820
the IMF and World Bank and join
a new BRICS Bank. I don't think

1929
01:57:32,820 --> 01:57:34,860
this will happen tomorrow. But
it could be a power play in

1930
01:57:34,860 --> 01:57:38,520
motion. John Saudi theory makes
sense even more so if you take

1931
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,790
the bricks into account. The
Saudis are furious over Syria,

1932
01:57:41,790 --> 01:57:45,420
Kerry testified before Congress
that the coat a ribs were

1933
01:57:45,420 --> 01:57:48,570
willing to pay for everything
Obama not invading as Bush would

1934
01:57:48,570 --> 01:57:50,940
have done is probably the final
straw. They could be pissed

1935
01:57:50,940 --> 01:57:55,830
about. Oops, where am I pissed
about Houston's involvement. The

1936
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:58,350
Clintons and Leviathan, the
Saudi royals cannot be happy

1937
01:57:58,350 --> 01:58:01,080
about how much oil and gas
Israel has their hands on now.

1938
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:06,030
Until this goes on for a little
bit. But when you think about

1939
01:58:06,030 --> 01:58:10,530
this, and this kind of got me
into into a new, a new view of

1940
01:58:10,530 --> 01:58:17,280
all of it, it is very possible
that the United States is under

1941
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:22,380
a coordinated attack from
Brazil, Russia, India, not so

1942
01:58:22,380 --> 01:58:25,950
sure where they fit in. But you
gotta you gotta watch him,

1943
01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:32,100
China. And and what is being
used is the so called Snowden,

1944
01:58:32,730 --> 01:58:34,920
who we really don't know all
that much about, we've seen a

1945
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:38,460
video of a guy one video, you
know, we got a lot of talk from

1946
01:58:38,460 --> 01:58:41,610
people coming from the EU,
specifically from Germany,

1947
01:58:41,610 --> 01:58:46,290
specifically, Glenn Greenwald
from Brazil. Maybe we're under

1948
01:58:46,290 --> 01:58:49,890
attack, John. And the
credibility is the first thing

1949
01:58:49,890 --> 01:58:53,040
that's going we need to kill
this T tip deal. So Russia

1950
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:56,130
maintains dominance over their
largest customer, which is the

1951
01:58:56,130 --> 01:59:01,590
EU. And maybe there's something
going on the picture so big,

1952
01:59:01,590 --> 01:59:02,610
we're not even seeing it.

1953
01:59:04,290 --> 01:59:07,440
I could imagine. I mean, I would
also assume the Russians had

1954
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:09,840
something to do with it. Well,
they're part of that part of it,

1955
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:13,290
not the Saudi part, which would
be China, but to Chinese maybe

1956
01:59:13,290 --> 01:59:15,540
have something to do with the
whole thing. We don't know. You

1957
01:59:15,540 --> 01:59:20,670
read. But but our bankers, which
are really international? I

1958
01:59:20,670 --> 01:59:25,860
don't know that. Yeah, no, this
is I would side with a couple of

1959
01:59:25,860 --> 01:59:29,010
things I want to back up on one
is the is the industrial

1960
01:59:29,010 --> 01:59:34,380
espionage angle, the NSA. I
don't think that's necessarily

1961
01:59:34,770 --> 01:59:39,030
necessarily a bad thing for
Americans, except for the fact

1962
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:42,330
that the Americans are not
benefiting. We have this

1963
01:59:42,330 --> 01:59:45,150
ridiculous unemployment rate, if
you look at shadow stats is

1964
01:59:45,180 --> 01:59:51,210
pushing 25%. There's a bunch of
rich dudes that are really

1965
01:59:51,210 --> 01:59:54,090
benefiting from this and is not
being redistributed to the

1966
01:59:54,270 --> 01:59:57,300
public at large and so they do
have a problem on their hands,

1967
01:59:57,300 --> 02:00:00,120
which is the public relations
aspect of all this. No one's is

1968
02:00:00,150 --> 02:00:03,780
going to be sympathetic to
industrial espionage that

1969
02:00:03,780 --> 02:00:06,930
doesn't benefit everybody. And
it's then it doesn't. So it's

1970
02:00:06,930 --> 02:00:12,060
just bullcrap. If anybody can
come out of this winning though

1971
02:00:12,060 --> 02:00:16,110
I, I really, always Can't I just
can't imagine us being beaten at

1972
02:00:16,110 --> 02:00:21,210
our own game. Oh, it's really
hard for me to. Because that's

1973
02:00:21,210 --> 02:00:25,800
all we do. I was with somebody
recently. And it was like we're

1974
02:00:25,830 --> 02:00:27,900
discussing there from

1975
02:00:28,590 --> 02:00:31,590
Oh, hold on. Let me just back
up. You said, all we do is

1976
02:00:31,590 --> 02:00:36,450
industrial espionage, cheat and
lie and spy on people for

1977
02:00:36,450 --> 02:00:37,350
financial gain.

1978
02:00:37,590 --> 02:00:41,370
Yeah, okay. That's our game. And
we're, and we're good at it

1979
02:00:41,370 --> 02:00:46,200
dammit. No, we're really good at
it. And I was at of debt, this

1980
02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:48,870
at a luncheon and there was this
woman from New Zealand and I was

1981
02:00:49,350 --> 02:00:52,410
another American was sitting and
we're talking across the sea.

1982
02:00:52,410 --> 02:00:52,680
Sorry,

1983
02:00:52,890 --> 02:00:55,080
I'm just I'm just loving how we
just like, yeah, that's what we

1984
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:56,490
do. And we're exceptional.

1985
02:00:57,300 --> 02:00:59,880
And so we're, all of a sudden,
we just start talking about

1986
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:03,750
stock market, and then this kind
of it and I turned to the woman

1987
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:06,210
from New Zealand, and I said,
Yeah, this, by the way, your

1988
02:01:06,210 --> 02:01:09,420
witness you want Americans, it's
all we do, is we just talk about

1989
02:01:09,420 --> 02:01:13,620
money making money, somehow,
whatever methodology we need to

1990
02:01:13,620 --> 02:01:18,300
employ. Welcome to America. What
do you think about this

1991
02:01:18,300 --> 02:01:18,960
constant?

1992
02:01:18,990 --> 02:01:22,590
Would you like your seat at the
table? How we can in business in

1993
02:01:22,590 --> 02:01:26,280
America, I've learned the whole
game is how can I screw that guy

1994
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:28,740
out of his money before he
screws me out of my money?

1995
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:33,810
There is that element. That's
kind of what we get. So we were

1996
02:01:33,810 --> 02:01:41,340
honed like a fine weapon. If
anybody thinks that I'm in and

1997
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:44,340
you're right, Kaiser Alexander
is exhibiting bonehead

1998
02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:47,070
characteristics. He is not the
guy for the job. They got to get

1999
02:01:47,070 --> 02:01:49,500
rid of him. But if anybody
thinks that the, that the

2000
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:54,150
Russians or the Europeans or any
of these, these old fashioned,

2001
02:01:54,150 --> 02:01:57,660
stodgy characters and include
the Chinese in this who have all

2002
02:01:57,660 --> 02:02:01,530
kinds of cultural issues, can
beat us at our own game. It's

2003
02:02:01,530 --> 02:02:06,120
crazy talk. Yeah, play it out.
Let's see what happens. And then

2004
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:07,260
will you know,

2005
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:11,430
yeah, okay. Okay. So right,
let's follow with this logic for

2006
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:16,950
a moment. Here's the problem.
And, wow, this is this is very,

2007
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:21,060
very deep. And as someone who
really has always loved his

2008
02:02:21,060 --> 02:02:25,320
country, it's very hard to say,
because I love people in the

2009
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:28,830
universe, and I want rainbows
and unicorns. But it appears

2010
02:02:28,830 --> 02:02:35,130
that in order to maintain that
stance, maintain that we we are

2011
02:02:35,610 --> 02:02:43,110
have this, we are good at spying
and cheating and stealing and,

2012
02:02:43,140 --> 02:02:45,990
and whatever it takes, maybe
it's not even that whatever it

2013
02:02:45,990 --> 02:02:51,030
takes to get a foot a foot up a
leg up, and advantage. But we

2014
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:54,780
always have had this big
backstop where we'd say Oh, and

2015
02:02:54,780 --> 02:02:58,740
by the way, if you don't like
it, I'm going to kill you. And

2016
02:02:58,770 --> 02:03:02,940
this administration's has been
washed, Drew has been wishing

2017
02:03:02,940 --> 02:03:05,760
you know, they've they've not
only have they not said we'll

2018
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:09,600
kill you. They've they've
they've taken it down to some

2019
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,180
dumb level of like drone
strikes. You know, there's no

2020
02:03:12,180 --> 02:03:16,710
big grand threat anymore. And I
think that if you if you if we

2021
02:03:16,980 --> 02:03:18,000
take your your

2022
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:21,210
letter, the letter writer
pointed this out that the Saudis

2023
02:03:21,210 --> 02:03:24,420
might be irked by the fact that
we weren't like, trigger happy

2024
02:03:24,660 --> 02:03:27,870
when it came to Syria. And that
would you know, even though I

2025
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:30,900
personally think that all these
idiotic wars in the Middle East

2026
02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:33,960
are useless, but I can see where
somebody would think, well, you

2027
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:36,720
know, the Americans, they'll go
in there, they'll go in there

2028
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:39,210
and they'll go crazy. And we
didn't,

2029
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:42,840
because that's what we're known
for. And we piss on dead bodies

2030
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:43,320
and stuff.

2031
02:03:43,650 --> 02:03:48,240
Ya know, weird. Meanwhile, you
should pay attention.

2032
02:03:48,690 --> 02:03:54,870
Yeah, I mean, we Yes. Meanwhile,
China. And this follows on your

2033
02:03:55,800 --> 02:04:01,920
your revelations on Thursday, is
very close to a deal with Turkey

2034
02:04:02,340 --> 02:04:08,610
for their missiles. Over NATO
supplied stuff and people are

2035
02:04:08,610 --> 02:04:19,200
freaking out. And it's Turkey
insane. Fair to one is

2036
02:04:19,710 --> 02:04:23,370
that Turkey, I believe that the
Turks have watched this crap

2037
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:27,600
going on in the and they know
that they're the Islamist have

2038
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,870
taken over Turkey. They've kind
of they haven't gone all the way

2039
02:04:30,870 --> 02:04:33,570
yet. But they're headed that way
to Sheree and all the rest of

2040
02:04:33,570 --> 02:04:39,450
it. And they know what they see
the rubble. Next Door, they're

2041
02:04:39,450 --> 02:04:41,610
looking they're saying, you
know, these Americans are not

2042
02:04:41,730 --> 02:04:45,600
really yeah, they talk a big
game. Don't clean up their room.

2043
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:49,530
They'll clean up their rooms are
making a mess. And we're next

2044
02:04:49,559 --> 02:04:53,579
Yeah. So they're there. By the
way,

2045
02:04:53,790 --> 02:04:57,960
if you buy a missile from I
don't think this is publicised,

2046
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:02,310
and I can't prove it. I don't
know it's true. Who? But if you

2047
02:05:02,310 --> 02:05:06,870
buy a missile from Raytheon that
missile will not hit an American

2048
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:07,290
target.

2049
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:11,310
No. It's programmed not to have
beacons. Yeah, it's pre

2050
02:05:11,550 --> 02:05:14,280
programmed Of course it's not
going to hit an American target.

2051
02:05:14,460 --> 02:05:18,210
Now we got a little beacons the
BBB BBB Don't hit me. And it's

2052
02:05:18,210 --> 02:05:22,170
like that the tape you can buy
that that that glows is some you

2053
02:05:22,170 --> 02:05:25,710
it's what infrared tape that you
put on your top of your helmet.

2054
02:05:26,070 --> 02:05:29,040
And you won't get droned? Oh,
yeah. Yeah,

2055
02:05:29,070 --> 02:05:36,450
I hear that's really effective.
For billion dollar deal. For the

2056
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:40,020
for the Chinese to supply
missile missile weaponry to

2057
02:05:40,020 --> 02:05:46,140
Turkey. This is really, really
this is big.

2058
02:05:46,650 --> 02:05:50,700
Yeah, that's bad. It's not good.
But then again, they could all

2059
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:52,020
be sabotage for all you know,

2060
02:05:52,140 --> 02:05:54,600
and part of this, you know, so
part of what's going on here, I

2061
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:58,260
think is also has to deal with
the so called Internet freedom.

2062
02:05:58,740 --> 02:06:02,640
I think that this will come into
play very quickly, that the

2063
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:07,590
United States is abusing
internet freedom. You can just

2064
02:06:07,590 --> 02:06:11,370
see it happening. I really have
a feeling, John that we are on

2065
02:06:11,370 --> 02:06:14,850
the losing end of the stick
here. It is. And I'm just saying

2066
02:06:14,850 --> 02:06:18,720
the collective we that the
United States it just seems like

2067
02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:25,290
every single day, boy, you guys
are bullying dickheads? Or am I

2068
02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:26,760
read misreading the mess? No,

2069
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:29,970
I think the I think you're why
don't I disagree with your final

2070
02:06:29,970 --> 02:06:30,780
conclusion? No, I'm

2071
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:33,270
not. I'm saying this. I know
what you're saying. This, the

2072
02:06:33,270 --> 02:06:36,420
evidence is keeps the key. And I
think it's one of those deals

2073
02:06:36,420 --> 02:06:39,240
where you're down and you're out
for a moment you're in a you're

2074
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:42,450
in a wrestling match, or you're
or you're in a boxing match. And

2075
02:06:42,450 --> 02:06:45,480
then you're knocked down to the
ground. And you look around and

2076
02:06:45,480 --> 02:06:48,420
you look around and you see
who's still rooting for you and

2077
02:06:48,420 --> 02:06:51,600
who's taking the other guy side.
You have to do that once in a

2078
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,660
while. Because there's a bunch
of turncoats out there that will

2079
02:06:54,660 --> 02:06:57,690
do they're all there at your
best. But then the next thing

2080
02:06:57,690 --> 02:07:01,470
you know, they're not your best
buddy. It turns out well, you

2081
02:07:01,470 --> 02:07:04,950
know, you go when you go back to
the top of the heap, these guys

2082
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:08,220
that pay the price, I think we
may be in the process of taking

2083
02:07:08,220 --> 02:07:08,610
names.

2084
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:11,700
Just wait and yeah, just wait
until we decide not to give the

2085
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:13,800
next Batman movie to you,
Europe.

2086
02:07:14,370 --> 02:07:15,420
That could be part of it.

2087
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:17,970
Well, I find that

2088
02:07:18,269 --> 02:07:20,879
the Russians don't seem to want
to watch our Batman movies.

2089
02:07:20,910 --> 02:07:24,090
No, I don't Well, they do. They
just want to get paid extra for

2090
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:29,580
the whole thing I find is, is
fascinating. But my conclusion

2091
02:07:30,120 --> 02:07:34,200
really is along the lines with
yours is just we're not we're

2092
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:37,560
not good at spying. We don't
really have any capability. We

2093
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:40,590
are good at sucking stuff up and
storing it even that apparently

2094
02:07:40,590 --> 02:07:44,100
seems to be an issue since the
data centre keeps exploding or

2095
02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:50,910
whatever the report is. But when
it boils down to it, I think

2096
02:07:50,910 --> 02:07:55,560
there's no capability. I think
it's a bunch of empty suits. Who

2097
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:58,920
talk say, Yeah, well, not just
the NSA, but everything. They're

2098
02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:02,130
all just empty that talk a
really big game and we're great

2099
02:08:02,130 --> 02:08:07,020
and you were graded that to show
business and PR and propaganda.

2100
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:11,130
But it really there's not a lot
to show for it. And you know,

2101
02:08:11,130 --> 02:08:17,850
this is not it's like our cars.
You know what I mean? All hat no

2102
02:08:17,850 --> 02:08:18,360
cattle?

2103
02:08:20,430 --> 02:08:23,220
Well, there's that element that
cars American cars have never

2104
02:08:23,220 --> 02:08:24,390
been top drawer.

2105
02:08:24,510 --> 02:08:27,540
But isn't that just kind of par
for for everything?

2106
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:33,390
Well, I do like to new Cadillac.
Really. There's one cat like I

2107
02:08:33,390 --> 02:08:35,790
think is really well designed is
probably still a cat you know,

2108
02:08:35,790 --> 02:08:37,200
it's still a GM Junker.

2109
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:39,780
But it's a new one. Well, it's

2110
02:08:39,780 --> 02:08:42,060
I'll show you a picture of it.
It's just a real slick looking

2111
02:08:42,060 --> 02:08:46,890
car. There's a couple of them.
Well, on that note,

2112
02:08:47,370 --> 02:08:52,350
anyway, I did just want to wind
up by saying that, I'd like to

2113
02:08:52,350 --> 02:08:55,830
know who if the EFF the
Electronic Frontier Foundation

2114
02:08:55,830 --> 02:08:57,030
was behind the

2115
02:08:57,870 --> 02:09:00,390
huge demonstration of almost 100
people, which

2116
02:09:00,420 --> 02:09:05,790
well, they the EFF on their home
on their website says that it

2117
02:09:05,790 --> 02:09:13,350
was a couple 1000 people. But if
if they were behind it, you

2118
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:17,430
know, they need some help here
because it was not well

2119
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:21,870
executed. And all it did is just
function does a little bit of B

2120
02:09:21,870 --> 02:09:26,070
roll to talk about Angular
Merkel. Nothing about the actual

2121
02:09:26,070 --> 02:09:29,790
mission point. Well, this is
what I'm worried about. I mean,

2122
02:09:29,790 --> 02:09:35,130
this isn't and this is an outfit
that got $8 million in 2012. For

2123
02:09:35,130 --> 02:09:40,740
their in their donations. I
pulled their form 990 Just the

2124
02:09:40,770 --> 02:09:43,770
just kind of as a lark to see,
you know, they they got like a

2125
02:09:43,770 --> 02:09:48,840
million dollars in executive
salaries. They have 3 million in

2126
02:09:48,840 --> 02:09:52,950
other salaries. Most of them
only a million bucks or so comes

2127
02:09:52,950 --> 02:10:00,330
from donations. The rest all
comes from corporate. You or

2128
02:10:00,750 --> 02:10:05,670
even lawsuits like $250,000 They
won with litigation. It's kind

2129
02:10:05,670 --> 02:10:10,110
of becoming a little bit of like
a weird lobbying thing. And it's

2130
02:10:10,110 --> 02:10:13,140
just not to be trusted in my
mind. I hate to say it, I like

2131
02:10:13,140 --> 02:10:17,250
to trust them, but I can't. I
can't when you fail so miserably

2132
02:10:17,940 --> 02:10:21,630
at this if indeed they were,
they were behind this stop

2133
02:10:21,630 --> 02:10:25,440
watching us. You know, you got
to figure out better ways to use

2134
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:26,070
your $8 million.

2135
02:10:29,340 --> 02:10:31,800
Yeah, well, they're not experts
at this sort of thing. That's

2136
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:38,460
the problem. All right. I do
have a couple of offbeat clips

2137
02:10:38,460 --> 02:10:40,890
that we can play or we can. Why
don't we should we go?

2138
02:10:41,610 --> 02:10:42,540
I think it's a good idea.

2139
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:46,290
I'm gonna show my son moved by
donate to no agenda. Imagine all

2140
02:10:46,290 --> 02:10:48,840
the people who could do that.
Oh, yeah. That'd be fun

2141
02:10:55,980 --> 02:11:01,500
is it the SRX crossover that you
like? No. It's a dog.

2142
02:11:02,220 --> 02:11:03,000
I don't like it.

2143
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:05,250
No, I'm just trying to I'm
trying to figure out which car

2144
02:11:05,460 --> 02:11:08,550
doors themselves to me is like a
weird element. Do

2145
02:11:08,550 --> 02:11:10,380
you like the ATS sedan? Maybe?

2146
02:11:10,920 --> 02:11:14,130
i There's a there's an there's
one. It's a two door. That's a

2147
02:11:14,130 --> 02:11:18,390
very futuristic look at the CTS
coupe. Maybe no, that's the

2148
02:11:18,390 --> 02:11:19,440
little sportscars Yeah,

2149
02:11:19,470 --> 02:11:21,330
that's two door. Yeah, it's

2150
02:11:21,330 --> 02:11:24,480
true. Anyway. I'm not buying a
car if that's what you're

2151
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:24,840
wondering.

2152
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:28,950
I just I was curious. I think
Cadillacs are very ugly.

2153
02:11:30,180 --> 02:11:32,100
No, there's a good look. And
there's two good looking ones. I

2154
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:34,140
liked that little sports car and
there's another one that looks

2155
02:11:34,140 --> 02:11:38,520
great, ugly. Well, what's ugly
to you? You're in Texas used to

2156
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:40,980
be seeing these things common
common. Hello. I'm in Austin.

2157
02:11:41,340 --> 02:11:45,780
Oh, yeah, right. Oh,
everything's a BMW. Gerald, want

2158
02:11:45,780 --> 02:11:49,200
to thank a few people who helped
us out to celebrate sixth sixth

2159
02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:54,900
anniversary, Gerald jianye in
London, Canada. 177 77 tanks

2160
02:11:54,900 --> 02:11:57,720
with six great years a bag of
six little stripper rain.

2161
02:11:58,380 --> 02:12:01,200
Wishing karma on the two of you.
Thank you. Oh, that's

2162
02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:04,950
nice. So he gave us the the
111 11 which is making it rain

2163
02:12:04,950 --> 02:12:07,950
and the bag is a sack of six.
It's very nice. Yeah, I was very

2164
02:12:07,950 --> 02:12:08,880
creative. Thank you.

2165
02:12:09,269 --> 02:12:18,029
I made a mod goulard In Landgraf
134 40 Congratulations on six

2166
02:12:18,509 --> 02:12:21,239
wants to clean and he what he
did was cleaned out his Pay Pal

2167
02:12:21,239 --> 02:12:24,029
cash. And we love that it's a
great Ash is what people should

2168
02:12:24,029 --> 02:12:27,119
do. We have Zachary Wilson
WorldMark Willdan Mar,

2169
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:31,769
California 111 11. Andrew Lim
Anthony, who has been

2170
02:12:32,009 --> 02:12:36,449
consistently messines lesson
domestically lesson. 111 11

2171
02:12:36,449 --> 02:12:41,639
Colorado Springs making it rain.
Jacob share and Crystal

2172
02:12:41,639 --> 02:12:47,639
Minnesota nuts. Making it rain
when 1111 John Richard in New

2173
02:12:47,639 --> 02:12:53,219
Orleans 100 says beaver time not
sure what that means? Crow Kutta

2174
02:12:53,219 --> 02:12:56,639
Computer Services and Pacifica
California over here. $100 Adam

2175
02:12:56,639 --> 02:13:00,989
Smith in Calgary, Alberta. Where
all the money is $100 Charlie

2176
02:13:00,989 --> 02:13:07,109
Brown 78 of a note. All righty.
Handwritten note came in.

2177
02:13:08,849 --> 02:13:13,199
Charlie Brown, would you say it?
Yeah, ITM thanks for your

2178
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:16,589
courage. I have a set amount of
money I donate to charities

2179
02:13:16,589 --> 02:13:19,019
throughout the year. I've been
pondering how I might

2180
02:13:19,049 --> 02:13:21,509
redistribute those donations
this year and make room for a

2181
02:13:21,509 --> 02:13:25,619
real charity case. No agenda
show. Yay. You'll be happy to

2182
02:13:25,619 --> 02:13:29,699
know that I figured it out. My
boss David has been a real bully

2183
02:13:29,699 --> 02:13:32,699
to me recently making threats
that he's going to call me out

2184
02:13:32,699 --> 02:13:37,199
as a boner on the show for not
donating. Like these companies

2185
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:40,349
where the boss is a listener.
Yeah, coincidentally, our

2186
02:13:40,349 --> 02:13:43,439
employer has just begun their
annual charitable contribution

2187
02:13:43,439 --> 02:13:46,889
drive this week since you are
not on my employer's list of

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02:13:46,889 --> 02:13:50,099
potential donation recipients.
I'm sending you my donation

2189
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directly. 78, which is $3 per
paycheck. It seemed like the

2190
02:13:54,269 --> 02:13:58,619
logical way to respond to the
cloud of crisis. You can do your

2191
02:13:58,619 --> 02:14:02,189
part in Bully Prevention now by
de douching. Me

2192
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:09,420
Well, hell yeah. Here we go.
You've been de deuced

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02:14:11,250 --> 02:14:16,350
Absolutely. And he's actually
has calls. Case seven h YK.

2194
02:14:16,410 --> 02:14:23,490
S cable Fox five surely would
remember. Exactly. We had we had

2195
02:14:23,490 --> 02:14:26,520
a gathering of the of the no
agenda hams Friday night.

2196
02:14:26,850 --> 02:14:28,080
Yeah. How'd it go? Yeah, it

2197
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:30,990
was great. random dudes talking
away.

2198
02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:35,130
That's what they do as wood hams
do until there's an emergency

2199
02:14:35,190 --> 02:14:35,490
then.

2200
02:14:36,930 --> 02:14:43,830
We will save the unit. Now it's
not true. It's not true. Maybe a

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02:14:43,830 --> 02:14:44,760
little bit true but

2202
02:14:45,090 --> 02:14:52,380
Justin fish 7777 And cloak cat
Minnesotan nuts. He thought if

2203
02:14:52,380 --> 02:14:55,620
666 donation will be supporting
my competition and he's been

2204
02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:58,440
receiving through airtime in the
past few hours my donations blah

2205
02:14:58,440 --> 02:15:03,720
blah blah. Right for Karstadt
Okay, well here we go. 69

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02:15:05,730 --> 02:15:12,030
Barston Nielsen in Denmark 6969
Brian Brown in Orange,

2207
02:15:12,030 --> 02:15:15,900
California and Maxwell Frey in
Brooklyn, New York and Edward

2208
02:15:15,900 --> 02:15:19,800
Hines in Jacksonville, Florida
6969

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02:15:21,300 --> 02:15:24,840
Now we get our full on list of
sacks of sixes, which is

2210
02:15:25,290 --> 02:15:28,410
appreciated. Oh, wait. You're
right. All right.

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Norristown, Pennsylvania decided
to jump jump the line on a 6667

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02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:42,270
Not so sure what they're making.
Is there. Okay, here we go. 66

2213
02:15:42,270 --> 02:15:45,690
second sixes J Zookal. In Los
Angeles, California, Scott

2214
02:15:45,690 --> 02:15:50,670
Henkel in Sunland, California,
Bulldog PC in Athens, Georgia as

2215
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:54,450
Christian Schroeder and Covelli
Illinois. Joseph Gauld. And

2216
02:15:54,450 --> 02:15:57,750
Raritan, New Jersey, Jason
Becker in Austin, Texas right up

2217
02:15:57,750 --> 02:16:00,510
the street from you. Robert
Evans, San Jose, California

2218
02:16:00,510 --> 02:16:03,540
right down the street from me.
Aaron Kramer in so wickedly

2219
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:08,340
Pennsylvania, Sam Leung in
Toronto. He's been on everything

2220
02:16:08,340 --> 02:16:12,810
sort of Sam to you, sir Sam to
me. Brian Morton Casper, Wyoming

2221
02:16:12,810 --> 02:16:21,060
Baronet tests. Janice Kang in
Milpitas, Omar Munoz in Mexico

2222
02:16:21,060 --> 02:16:26,790
City. Barry Kroger in Greeley,
Colorado, Charles eaves in Lake

2223
02:16:26,790 --> 02:16:36,030
Zurich, Illinois. Maura Carlos
in Hong Kong. Paul Jason now ski

2224
02:16:36,030 --> 02:16:40,290
in Winooski, Vermont, I think
St. kowski Dan kowski I'm sorry.

2225
02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:45,030
It's exactly right saying kowski
Rick Barkhouse Oh, is Smith

2226
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:48,810
falls Ontario, Robert Johnston
and Phoenix Arizona Michael

2227
02:16:48,810 --> 02:16:52,860
Miller in Tiburon, California.
Chris Duffer, Dexter in

2228
02:16:52,860 --> 02:16:56,100
Richland, Washington. Chris
Cowan right up the street from

2229
02:16:56,100 --> 02:17:00,180
you in Austin, Texas. 6666 Sir
Chris Jacob, San Rafael,

2230
02:17:00,180 --> 02:17:06,000
California. Robert Mueller,
Robert Mueller, in Virginia, in

2231
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:07,110
Chesapeake, Virginia,

2232
02:17:07,140 --> 02:17:09,540
the former FBI Director Hey
Robert.

2233
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:15,720
Sir Brian Barrow and Rutan
Bassett. In the UK, Lauren shell

2234
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:20,160
in Lancaster, California, Chris
Trueheart, in Abbotsford, BC.

2235
02:17:21,180 --> 02:17:26,280
Sam Harrelson in Columbia, South
Carolina, Daniel Rudan. in Cedar

2236
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:31,200
Rapids, Iowa, Michael Robertson,
Milwaukee, Oregon, Brielle,

2237
02:17:31,260 --> 02:17:35,100
Garling, in Shoreline,
Washington, Christopher yaghi,

2238
02:17:35,430 --> 02:17:38,640
in Kannada, Ontario, Canada

2239
02:17:38,669 --> 02:17:42,479
Brielle, by the way, of course
is Lehman. Cello baby. Sister, I

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02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:44,189
think. Yes.

2241
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:50,790
Daniel Votto or vo tower in
Scarborough, Ontario, Canada.

2242
02:17:51,240 --> 02:17:57,780
Sam Minar in Box Hill, South
Victoria failure. Jeffrey

2243
02:18:00,570 --> 02:18:06,300
Jeffrey Lanntair as lunches,
lunches in hell videos loose

2244
02:18:06,330 --> 02:18:11,220
have a food slash, no food,
sloths, sloths. Eventually I'll

2245
02:18:11,220 --> 02:18:15,030
have one of these down Kurt
Winkle Mueller in Kerwin

2246
02:18:15,060 --> 02:18:21,570
Australia, Robert Cain and
colombiana Alabama, Martin

2247
02:18:21,690 --> 02:18:28,860
oosterhout in Albany, New York,
Drew Vanaman in Genoa, Illinois,

2248
02:18:28,890 --> 02:18:34,800
sir Dean Bertram in bibra. Lake
Washington merriness Vaughn

2249
02:18:35,639 --> 02:18:37,619
and Medina is fond of St.
Laurent

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02:18:38,010 --> 02:18:41,910
of xhale. Marinas Vaughn of
Zealand in app Doom

2251
02:18:41,939 --> 02:18:45,689
Apple Doran. Oh, I like Apple
Doom better though. That's

2252
02:18:45,690 --> 02:18:47,610
great. Richie to our runs.

2253
02:18:48,090 --> 02:18:51,270
I know but believe me if you've
ever been to Apple Dorn Apple

2254
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:52,260
Doom is pretty good.

2255
02:18:53,969 --> 02:18:57,929
I'll take that and another
advice. Willie is Lunasin

2256
02:18:57,929 --> 02:19:04,829
teunissen earnest and in grace
Rafa glava Francine Hardaway so

2257
02:19:05,219 --> 02:19:06,659
by the way, Francine for us,

2258
02:19:06,660 --> 02:19:10,110
by the way, John, when I give
you the Dutch pronunciation,

2259
02:19:11,010 --> 02:19:17,850
pronouncing it like a Nazi is
this it's not necessary. I'm

2260
02:19:17,850 --> 02:19:23,130
just telling you the Dutch are a
little sensitive. Dame Francine

2261
02:19:23,130 --> 02:19:23,670
Hardaway

2262
02:19:23,700 --> 02:19:28,290
Yes, yes and half Holberton
Copperopolis California, which

2263
02:19:28,290 --> 02:19:29,550
is a cool place Baroness

2264
02:19:29,550 --> 02:19:30,450
von stealth mode.

2265
02:19:30,930 --> 02:19:34,620
James Murray in Huntington
Beach, California cutting edge

2266
02:19:34,620 --> 02:19:39,120
solutions in Glasgow, Scotland.
Chris burger we had a lot of

2267
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:43,920
people came in Yeah, outlets
Wisconsin Marcee Marcel Marcel

2268
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:51,480
Lee Jodan. In Houston BC,
Richard McCutcheon in Odenton

2269
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:55,200
Maryland, Nathan Goldsmith in
Tucson, Arizona and Kevin McComb

2270
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:59,160
in Port orchard, Washington.
Another cool little area, sir

2271
02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:05,730
Mitch bid drawn in Long Beach
California margin vote Brecht in

2272
02:20:05,730 --> 02:20:10,440
Berlin Deutschland Arthur go
bits and Zaandam

2273
02:20:11,130 --> 02:20:16,440
again again with the Nazi thing
said Nazi well you believe me

2274
02:20:16,590 --> 02:20:21,480
with as with a sensitive Dutch
ear, you know really got a

2275
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:26,430
little bit ah yeah okay I've
said it so people understand

2276
02:20:26,430 --> 02:20:27,720
it's not intentional right to do

2277
02:20:27,720 --> 02:20:33,240
it in a more Swedish so that's
worse chop or tap in Canmore

2278
02:20:33,240 --> 02:20:38,580
Alberta Matthew shower in
Beverly Hills California nice

2279
02:20:39,810 --> 02:20:44,490
thank you for your courage he
says Sir James mon in Ringgold,

2280
02:20:44,490 --> 02:20:48,030
Louisiana Daniel Terrell yo he's
got a birthday coming or

2281
02:20:48,030 --> 02:20:49,860
somebody does in Charleston
South Carolina.

2282
02:20:49,890 --> 02:20:53,040
I want to I just want to thank
Jim Kito Fox five Yankee Alpha

2283
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:53,490
echo

2284
02:20:55,200 --> 02:21:02,490
Stephen stepping off Victor in
Russia. We get so don't say me

2285
02:21:02,490 --> 02:21:04,830
name he says please call me Mr.
Snow. Well, I guess that didn't

2286
02:21:04,830 --> 02:21:09,240
work out did it? He says he's
worried that Friday the firewall

2287
02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:13,470
will stop just Well, no, it
didn't Friday, the firewall

2288
02:21:13,470 --> 02:21:19,200
never stops a donation. Carsten
over Schwartz Nielsen in

2289
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:25,020
Denmark, Thomas Bissell in Reno,
Nevada, or Nevada as I just

2290
02:21:25,020 --> 02:21:28,620
stupidly said once in a while.
Maurice Tate and Sacra tomato,

2291
02:21:28,620 --> 02:21:35,280
California, Andre Rodriguez in
port to God. I don't know where

2292
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:40,050
he is in Portugal. I can't tell
ya the permit later. Alexander

2293
02:21:40,050 --> 02:21:46,620
Souls is Shullsburg souls burger
in Deutschland? Oh, this is

2294
02:21:46,620 --> 02:21:50,100
interesting. Oh, this is a this
is our friend from Ghana West

2295
02:21:50,100 --> 02:21:58,380
Africa. He's a knight Eric as
ZAZ tennis as Lawndale

2296
02:21:58,380 --> 02:22:02,700
California Kurt Anderson and New
Hope Minnesota nuts. Bashir

2297
02:22:02,730 --> 02:22:10,560
Osman in Middlesex, UK Royce
Cami and I. E a Hawaii surge ad

2298
02:22:10,740 --> 02:22:17,340
in Santa josei, California
bogatin Len CIT, Bogdan lead

2299
02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:22,380
Chen DRO. in Irvine, Texas.
Trisha Peterson in St. Louis,

2300
02:22:22,410 --> 02:22:26,130
Missouri. And that concludes our
brow, our donors, thank you for

2301
02:22:26,130 --> 02:22:28,530
our for our donors for this part
of the show. We still have some

2302
02:22:28,530 --> 02:22:31,740
donors dimension, but these are
the people that gave us 6666. So

2303
02:22:31,740 --> 02:22:33,240
we thank them profusely.

2304
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:37,470
And everyone else who was
leading up to today has handed

2305
02:22:37,470 --> 02:22:41,100
us sacks of sixes. It's really
nice. It's Thank you, I that's

2306
02:22:41,100 --> 02:22:45,090
all I can say thank you. Thank
you, I that's value for value. I

2307
02:22:45,090 --> 02:22:45,930
feel good about it.

2308
02:22:46,470 --> 02:22:48,930
And Trisha did send in a
handwritten note I should

2309
02:22:48,930 --> 02:22:52,500
mention, I guess. She's in the
morning writing a donation my

2310
02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:56,130
husband's name, and he's got a
birthday coming up my husband

2311
02:22:56,310 --> 02:22:58,590
and said we'd like those from
women who tell us how they got

2312
02:22:58,590 --> 02:23:01,110
to listen to the show. Because
we there's a strong belief that

2313
02:23:01,110 --> 02:23:03,480
women hate us. Yeah. And we're
going to talk about that in a

2314
02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:06,690
moment. By the way, my husband
hit me in the mouth a few months

2315
02:23:06,690 --> 02:23:09,390
ago, and I have been passing
this forward. Hopefully I was

2316
02:23:09,390 --> 02:23:11,790
successful in doing this with my
daughter's high school history

2317
02:23:11,790 --> 02:23:15,240
teacher, even though I received
a highly dramatic teenage

2318
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:19,710
eyeroll an outburst of from the
daughter I guess, quote,

2319
02:23:19,860 --> 02:23:24,270
everyone is going to think
you're a freak. Must you be so

2320
02:23:24,270 --> 02:23:30,030
embarrassing? What did she do?
To which I replied, absolutely.

2321
02:23:30,060 --> 02:23:33,540
Oh my God. That's what my mom
used to say parenting words why?

2322
02:23:35,250 --> 02:23:38,250
My mom used to say that to why
else should I be a parent if I

2323
02:23:38,250 --> 02:23:39,300
can't embarrass you?

2324
02:23:40,410 --> 02:23:43,230
That that's common amongst a lot
of them. Have you ever said have

2325
02:23:43,230 --> 02:23:46,650
you ever said that? No, I've
never said it. But Mimi has Oh,

2326
02:23:46,650 --> 02:23:52,530
wow. It's kinda like embed J,
that our daughter is so easily

2327
02:23:52,530 --> 02:23:58,560
embarrassed. Like, we're, I'm at
a stop at a crosswalk. And I

2328
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:01,950
got, I got the window down. And
I all say to her, she'd be

2329
02:24:01,950 --> 02:24:04,950
sitting there and I'll say, that
guy looks like the biggest idiot

2330
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:07,500
I've ever seen. Look at the way
he's walking. And she'll go,

2331
02:24:07,740 --> 02:24:12,570
she's gonna hear you. He's not
gonna hear me. There's no way

2332
02:24:12,570 --> 02:24:15,450
he's gonna hear me. He's gonna
hear you. So then, you know, I

2333
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:16,140
just,

2334
02:24:16,470 --> 02:24:21,450
that's funny. That's funny. That
is that's a well, but they

2335
02:24:21,450 --> 02:24:23,850
finished Trisha bookmarking for
another time. Yes.

2336
02:24:24,270 --> 02:24:27,330
She has never listened to your
show. So don't take it that

2337
02:24:27,330 --> 02:24:29,730
personally. Thanks for all the
effort you guys put into the

2338
02:24:29,730 --> 02:24:32,430
show. It's really enlightening.
Enjoyable take care and happy

2339
02:24:32,430 --> 02:24:37,500
anniversary. Thank you. And Job
karma for her husband would be

2340
02:24:37,500 --> 02:24:39,960
so great. She says once you do
that for her.

2341
02:24:40,410 --> 02:24:44,490
Okay, almost. Yeah, well, we
have special job and we have a

2342
02:24:44,490 --> 02:24:48,000
lot of karma for the job karma
for everyone who needs it by the

2343
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:56,310
way jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's go for jobs. Some job

2344
02:24:56,310 --> 02:24:57,090
karma anyone who

2345
02:24:57,090 --> 02:25:00,180
needs some five people left over
Joseph gas and Wilmington. Hello

2346
02:25:00,180 --> 02:25:04,470
worst came in with 66 Jason
Morel in Augusta, Georgia 60 And

2347
02:25:04,470 --> 02:25:08,970
then $50 from Peter toe tase
Parts Unknown shad rich. And

2348
02:25:08,970 --> 02:25:13,200
Seattle and Marcus Kaz Marais
have a note

2349
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:16,830
from Marcus actually, I have a
note. Okay, I get to read a note

2350
02:25:16,830 --> 02:25:20,940
my name is Marcus cosmetic and
wife Raylene, we've decided that

2351
02:25:20,940 --> 02:25:23,970
we do not want to be boners
anymore, so we decided to become

2352
02:25:23,970 --> 02:25:27,330
a night with the $50 a month
donation we also then donate

2353
02:25:27,330 --> 02:25:31,260
another single 1666 for the
total this month's payment to be

2354
02:25:31,260 --> 02:25:34,020
a sack of sixes for your six
years and start my knighthood.

2355
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:37,050
And for those that don't support
the show, I say push the button

2356
02:25:37,050 --> 02:25:40,410
Now it's worth it could use a
Karma call out for getting cars

2357
02:25:40,410 --> 02:25:43,020
fixed and a milk call out for
the wonderful mother of my 15

2358
02:25:43,020 --> 02:25:47,340
year old homeschooled daughter.
Sometimes you just got to pull a

2359
02:25:47,340 --> 02:25:51,540
note out of the out of the big,
big pile there. So a milk and a

2360
02:25:51,540 --> 02:26:01,020
karma. That's one you've got
karma, and karma and gratitude

2361
02:26:01,020 --> 02:26:04,410
for everyone else who wants to
remain anonymous below the $50

2362
02:26:04,410 --> 02:26:08,400
level are boarding pass
mothership boarding pass 30

2363
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:12,900
threes are 1111 or 12 twelves or
fives or fours, these straggling

2364
02:26:12,900 --> 02:26:16,560
twos it's all highly highly
about the straggling twos. It's

2365
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:17,520
highly appreciated.

2366
02:26:17,790 --> 02:26:18,180
Yeah.

2367
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:21,810
And I'll tell you, I'm ready to
go. I'll do another six. I'll do

2368
02:26:21,810 --> 02:26:27,720
another 60 years I'm damn down.
I'm this makes me feel good. You

2369
02:26:27,720 --> 02:26:30,720
haven't really mentioned at all
about how you feel about the

2370
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:32,010
show. I do love it. I

2371
02:26:32,010 --> 02:26:34,110
think this is one of the best
shows we've ever done.

2372
02:26:34,590 --> 02:26:37,680
It's the only show we've ever
done. We've noticed true. We've

2373
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:39,780
never done any other show. But I
mean, just in general isn't

2374
02:26:40,380 --> 02:26:45,000
a promo or something once it
isn't, isn't this just Well,

2375
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:47,580
what's good about it just seems
to me and I don't want to sound

2376
02:26:47,580 --> 02:26:51,120
like some sort of, we want to
hear this is real support. This

2377
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:54,840
is people saying okay, you guys
are doing this work. And you're

2378
02:26:54,840 --> 02:26:56,760
getting you're coming up with
this kind of stuff, which really

2379
02:26:56,760 --> 02:26:59,970
explains a lot to me because
there's displays a lot to us, by

2380
02:26:59,970 --> 02:27:03,600
the way. Because the two of us
don't, you know, we don't talk

2381
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:07,710
and we find the things out from
each other. Yeah, and you it's

2382
02:27:07,740 --> 02:27:11,370
just a better way to go. I mean,
people the PBS the media miles

2383
02:27:11,370 --> 02:27:13,620
all the rest of them are crap if
you can produce a product that

2384
02:27:13,620 --> 02:27:16,110
people like, and they will
support with their hard earned

2385
02:27:16,110 --> 02:27:19,440
money, when to keep it going.
Then you know, you're doing the

2386
02:27:19,440 --> 02:27:23,100
right thing. It's just It's like
a It's, you're doing the right

2387
02:27:23,100 --> 02:27:26,340
thing if you're if somebody says
here, keep doing this, and

2388
02:27:26,340 --> 02:27:27,420
that's what they did today.

2389
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:36,390
i Yes. And we just don't often
stop and think I'm today. It

2390
02:27:36,390 --> 02:27:38,910
actually started last night or
yesterday of course our actual

2391
02:27:38,910 --> 02:27:41,970
anniversary was yesterday. I
just can't help but think like

2392
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:46,230
what a fantastic thing that's
taking place here. It's like a

2393
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:46,800
co op.

2394
02:27:47,940 --> 02:27:49,440
It is very much like it

2395
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:55,140
really is like a co op and I
count my lucky stars every

2396
02:27:55,200 --> 02:28:00,420
single day. It's like it's like
the best pension plan in the

2397
02:28:00,420 --> 02:28:04,530
world. As long as I can as long
as I can get get up in the

2398
02:28:04,530 --> 02:28:08,460
morning and do this and I can't
keep doing it and up

2399
02:28:08,460 --> 02:28:11,490
in the morning watch C span two
or three hours

2400
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:13,500
as long as we can keep each
other alive

2401
02:28:13,529 --> 02:28:18,539
and then you apparently listen
to Touray show no i don't know i

2402
02:28:18,539 --> 02:28:22,589
believe is worth 100 or 200
bucks from anyone know that put

2403
02:28:22,589 --> 02:28:23,369
up with that guy.

2404
02:28:23,400 --> 02:28:28,830
There's this is a lot of people
help a lot and you know, I think

2405
02:28:28,830 --> 02:28:34,710
the most work for me goes into
I'm pretty meticulous with the

2406
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:40,380
emails. I read every single
email that comes in I just can't

2407
02:28:40,380 --> 02:28:43,980
reply to all of them. And some
of them just don't warrant a

2408
02:28:43,980 --> 02:28:47,280
reply. And I'll have

2409
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:53,490
a I have a clip for you for your
email All right, well stick to

2410
02:28:53,490 --> 02:28:55,620
itiveness play the oh my
goodness after

2411
02:28:56,820 --> 02:29:02,580
Oh my goodness. Okay, what is
this? Oh? Oh, somehow that got

2412
02:29:02,580 --> 02:29:07,860
stuck after all that I'm sorry.
Something weird happening.

2413
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:09,210
Oh my goodness.

2414
02:29:09,689 --> 02:29:13,979
Really? That is what I think of
when you go on about your email.

2415
02:29:14,490 --> 02:29:18,930
Well, no, but it's the the
amount of if you give if you

2416
02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:22,440
were willing to feed back and
this is really a lot of what I

2417
02:29:22,440 --> 02:29:25,530
do you know so we got the what I
do I know I'd love to hear a

2418
02:29:25,530 --> 02:29:28,080
little bit more about what you
do because I think it's very

2419
02:29:28,110 --> 02:29:31,170
mysterious and if you have no
intention of telling it's fine

2420
02:29:31,950 --> 02:29:36,030
but mysterious isms but I'm I'm
I'm always looking at the emails

2421
02:29:36,030 --> 02:29:40,650
I'm I'm not a zero inbox guy.
And I look at my emails not but

2422
02:29:40,650 --> 02:29:43,440
I'm just telling you how I
prepare for the show. That

2423
02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:47,550
people send me stuff and I and
and I will go down the hole for

2424
02:29:47,550 --> 02:29:49,920
them. When they send me these I
do

2425
02:29:49,949 --> 02:29:53,789
I say that for some other time
my friend. I go

2426
02:29:53,790 --> 02:29:58,500
down the hole for my listeners.
I do and sometimes it's very,

2427
02:29:58,500 --> 02:30:04,050
very rewarding sometimes is
really shite and and sometimes

2428
02:30:04,230 --> 02:30:07,680
people think that it's okay that
we can have an ongoing dialogue

2429
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:13,080
on email which is not and the no
agenda news network contributors

2430
02:30:13,110 --> 02:30:17,160
all of that stuff it really
works it's this is this is I'm

2431
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:19,680
afraid to talk too much about it
because someone else will figure

2432
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:22,800
it out Hey, we should do it
those guys are doing

2433
02:30:23,100 --> 02:30:26,490
as well they people keep trying
to do what these guys are doing.

2434
02:30:26,490 --> 02:30:30,840
But the problem is you have to
have a mindset though just oddly

2435
02:30:30,870 --> 02:30:33,870
the two of us working together
have the mindset that

2436
02:30:34,260 --> 02:30:38,970
cumulatively the two of us is a
combination is highly unusual.

2437
02:30:40,290 --> 02:30:44,430
It just happens to work because
we we think in a certain way,

2438
02:30:44,460 --> 02:30:47,190
but I don't want to go on about
this. Now. It's about us we

2439
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:49,650
should be for we have too much
material here.

2440
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:53,070
Yeah, absolutely. Right. Okay,
so thank you again, everybody.

2441
02:30:53,070 --> 02:30:55,620
Really appreciate it. That's our
weird that's my weird way of

2442
02:30:55,620 --> 02:30:58,170
saying thank you, but it comes
from the heart I really mean it.

2443
02:30:58,410 --> 02:31:02,910
And we continue the episode 561
will be on Thursday. We continue

2444
02:31:02,910 --> 02:31:08,730
to need your support to continue
what we do evora.org/n A

2445
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:19,740
always happy to congratulate our
producers Jacob shear celebrates

2446
02:31:19,740 --> 02:31:23,730
on the 28th tomorrow as does
Gavin bowed. Trisha Peterson we

2447
02:31:23,730 --> 02:31:26,850
just heard her note says Happy
Birthday to her husband Alan

2448
02:31:26,850 --> 02:31:29,820
Peterson on the third of
November. rice cook kami Happy

2449
02:31:29,820 --> 02:31:32,310
Birthday to Krishna Nanda
celebrated yesterday and

2450
02:31:32,310 --> 02:31:37,650
Danielle Torello. Daniel son,
Ethan Jorge celebrated,

2451
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:41,610
celebrates tomorrow and will be
one year old brand new human

2452
02:31:41,610 --> 02:31:45,330
resource happy birthday from the
entire staff and management here

2453
02:31:45,330 --> 02:31:52,020
at the no agenda show. Um, and
let me see.

2454
02:31:52,110 --> 02:31:54,960
I bet we have a we have a
controversy with the Knights.

2455
02:31:55,800 --> 02:31:59,220
Okay. Well, Jennifer, and I
don't know as Eric sent the

2456
02:31:59,220 --> 02:32:00,120
note, and I was

2457
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:02,430
just about to look don't mention
her last name yet, because

2458
02:32:02,430 --> 02:32:04,950
I have not mentioned your last
name at all. That's why I said

2459
02:32:04,950 --> 02:32:09,480
Jennifer. She had donated she
would be a dame today. But she

2460
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:13,950
had donated in the past 2011 I
think 2011 We keep tabs on

2461
02:32:13,950 --> 02:32:17,160
everybody. So we try what you're
up to we try by the way,

2462
02:32:17,160 --> 02:32:20,250
sometimes we try we're not great
by any means. We're actually

2463
02:32:20,250 --> 02:32:21,210
stink. We don't.

2464
02:32:21,480 --> 02:32:24,060
Yeah, we don't have like
congressional staff or anything.

2465
02:32:24,510 --> 02:32:24,840
But

2466
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:28,470
Eric did notice that in 2011,
she wanted to be anonymous. Now

2467
02:32:28,470 --> 02:32:31,050
the years later, she may not
want to be anonymous anymore.

2468
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:34,860
But we have to get her
permission to use her last name

2469
02:32:34,860 --> 02:32:37,320
even though I blew an anonymous
donation earlier today that

2470
02:32:37,320 --> 02:32:40,740
nobody seemed to have noticed.
But it's you know, these that's

2471
02:32:40,740 --> 02:32:43,470
an accident and when we don't
there's not an accident. So we

2472
02:32:43,470 --> 02:32:47,190
know that so she will be
knighted. David Hold on. I've

2473
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:50,700
got I'm looking at the message
right here. And she wants to

2474
02:32:50,700 --> 02:32:51,660
remain anonymous.

2475
02:32:52,199 --> 02:32:55,499
Still. Yep. Okay, then she'll be
just Dame Jennifer.

2476
02:32:56,279 --> 02:33:04,649
Okay. There you go. See 600
episodes. I mean, 606 years of

2477
02:33:04,649 --> 02:33:11,729
episodes. We're moving on 600
and my sword is still sharp as

2478
02:33:11,729 --> 02:33:21,149
ever. How about yours? No. Dull
Whoa, let's try that again.

2479
02:33:22,919 --> 02:33:26,669
Dennis Stephens and Jennifer
please step forward. Both of you

2480
02:33:26,669 --> 02:33:29,009
have contributed to the best
podcast in university amount of

2481
02:33:29,009 --> 02:33:34,469
$1,000 more and our gratitude
could not be any huger. And

2482
02:33:34,469 --> 02:33:37,919
because of that you both join
the Elite roundtable so I hereby

2483
02:33:37,919 --> 02:33:43,529
pronounce the dame Jennifer and
Sir Dennis the Mile High nights.

2484
02:33:44,459 --> 02:33:47,879
For you. We have opium and warm
orange juice, hookers and blow

2485
02:33:47,879 --> 02:33:50,039
three geishas and a bucket of
fried chicken, red boys and

2486
02:33:50,039 --> 02:33:53,369
Chardonnay hot pans and booze.
wenches a beer, or maybe just

2487
02:33:53,369 --> 02:33:55,409
some simple mutton in need. It's
all here for you at the

2488
02:33:55,409 --> 02:33:59,699
roundtable. Thank you and go to
no agenda nation.com/rings We

2489
02:33:59,699 --> 02:34:03,689
still have some in various
sizes, and you are well

2490
02:34:03,719 --> 02:34:08,009
deserving of that. The only
other thing I wanted to mention

2491
02:34:08,009 --> 02:34:11,789
briefly about now that we're on
our sixth sixth anniversary, we

2492
02:34:11,789 --> 02:34:15,839
have never won an award for the
show. Not that we're looking for

2493
02:34:15,839 --> 02:34:19,379
one per se would be nice,
because awards is how you get

2494
02:34:19,379 --> 02:34:21,749
out in the public eye. The
Podcast Awards are coming up. I

2495
02:34:21,749 --> 02:34:25,139
would like to be nominated in
the comedy category this year if

2496
02:34:25,139 --> 02:34:28,349
possible. I think I think we
deserve to be in the comedy

2497
02:34:28,349 --> 02:34:29,219
category though. We're

2498
02:34:29,220 --> 02:34:31,440
as funny as any of those comedy
shows. Thank

2499
02:34:31,440 --> 02:34:35,640
you. I think we really I think
we really deserve it. We

2500
02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:38,940
shouldn't be in the comedy
category. Yeah, exactly. Oh my

2501
02:34:38,940 --> 02:34:43,140
goodness. What is that from?
That's kind of creepy. Just a

2502
02:34:43,140 --> 02:34:43,380
little

2503
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:47,850
clip if you want to hear the
clip, no. It's the Pinterest

2504
02:34:47,850 --> 02:34:51,390
clip. Where they're using
Pinterest. I just thought I only

2505
02:34:51,390 --> 02:34:55,860
made this clip because it was
like such an obvious plug for

2506
02:34:55,860 --> 02:35:00,930
Pinterest. They're putting dogs
in one of this The peninsula

2507
02:35:00,930 --> 02:35:04,860
cities that missing dogs are now
being posted on Pinterest. And I

2508
02:35:05,190 --> 02:35:07,980
thought it was like it sounds
like a commercial for Pinterest.

2509
02:35:07,980 --> 02:35:11,070
But this woman got a little
puppy and she was oh my goodness

2510
02:35:11,070 --> 02:35:12,930
little cute little puppy. And
that's where that comes from.

2511
02:35:13,350 --> 02:35:14,280
For Silicon Valley

2512
02:35:14,280 --> 02:35:17,070
cities are using high tech tools
to reunite people with their

2513
02:35:17,070 --> 02:35:21,570
stolen or lost property. And
that includes pets and BC

2514
02:35:21,570 --> 02:35:23,520
barriers. Marian favo shows us
how

2515
02:35:24,900 --> 02:35:25,980
oh my goodness,

2516
02:35:26,279 --> 02:35:29,699
we don't know the name of the
sweet dog, but her owner does.

2517
02:35:29,879 --> 02:35:32,819
And the city of Sunnyvale is
using Pinterest to try and

2518
02:35:32,819 --> 02:35:34,529
reunite them. Oh, okay. I

2519
02:35:34,530 --> 02:35:37,950
gotcha. There's something we
didn't talk about on Thursday

2520
02:35:37,950 --> 02:35:43,620
was my fault. Because this we've
been noticing for a while this

2521
02:35:43,620 --> 02:35:49,260
war on men. Yeah. And I watched
the documentary The Sharon Stone

2522
02:35:49,260 --> 02:35:50,970
documentary femme. Oh,

2523
02:35:50,970 --> 02:35:54,450
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Forgot. Why
didn't want to watch it. That's

2524
02:35:54,450 --> 02:35:55,800
the key. And you did?

2525
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:57,390
Yes. I watched it with Miss
Mickey.

2526
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:58,650
Did she stab you?

2527
02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:03,000
I'm still here. I'm still

2528
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:04,590
breathing. I just mean, you
weren't Stan. I'm

2529
02:36:04,590 --> 02:36:08,910
still breathing. Okay. And she
agrees with me on it. Because I

2530
02:36:08,910 --> 02:36:11,040
really wanted this to be good. I
wanted this to be a great

2531
02:36:11,040 --> 02:36:17,190
documentary. Wow, this was like
someone's High School Final Cut

2532
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:23,130
Pro project. It was such a piece
of shit. It was so poorly done.

2533
02:36:23,160 --> 02:36:27,390
I mean, it literally John. You
know, the the Star Wars credits

2534
02:36:27,420 --> 02:36:30,060
were the were the, you know, it
says once upon a time in a

2535
02:36:30,060 --> 02:36:32,700
galaxy far, far away, and the
credits are going off into

2536
02:36:32,700 --> 02:36:33,360
infinity,

2537
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:36,300
which is a mockery of early
serials. They

2538
02:36:36,300 --> 02:36:39,330
use that same credit, right?
Yes.

2539
02:36:39,990 --> 02:36:43,500
Yes. I don't believe yes.
Throughout that lame to do.

2540
02:36:43,529 --> 02:36:46,169
Yes. And it would go from
section to section. Yeah. And so

2541
02:36:46,169 --> 02:36:48,869
the kind of like, have a
question or a statement. And

2542
02:36:48,869 --> 02:36:49,019
that

2543
02:36:49,260 --> 02:36:52,440
aside, would they do that that
was done as a SAT tie. Oh, John,

2544
02:36:52,470 --> 02:36:55,950
it was so bad. And here's what
happened. So they essentially

2545
02:36:55,950 --> 02:36:59,640
interviewed, they say hundreds,
but maybe the only I don't think

2546
02:36:59,640 --> 02:37:03,180
probably 20 women. You know, a
lot of them well known, some of

2547
02:37:03,180 --> 02:37:06,930
them extremely interesting. And
then they filled up the rest of

2548
02:37:06,930 --> 02:37:11,340
this thing with B roll of the
craziest things like, you know,

2549
02:37:11,340 --> 02:37:17,790
like old public domain footage
of, you know, slaves and

2550
02:37:17,790 --> 02:37:23,070
slavery. And it was it was so
dumb. And it was kind of three

2551
02:37:23,070 --> 02:37:25,950
parts. I'll break it up into
three parts. So the first one

2552
02:37:25,950 --> 02:37:31,080
was some kind of history lesson.
That at one point in history,

2553
02:37:31,080 --> 02:37:34,140
there was a matriarchal society
and women ruled the world

2554
02:37:34,140 --> 02:37:37,860
apparently. And they show like
some statues of women and

2555
02:37:37,860 --> 02:37:41,550
Cleopatra. And that's proof.
It's all Cleopatra. Yeah. And

2556
02:37:41,550 --> 02:37:44,490
then they went Venus de Milo and
some other things. And then they

2557
02:37:44,490 --> 02:37:47,970
just when she ruled on that, and
all that, and then they move on,

2558
02:37:48,510 --> 02:37:53,070
to how women how, when men,
stoke women member, we played

2559
02:37:53,070 --> 02:37:56,340
that little clip from the
trailer, that women really

2560
02:37:57,480 --> 02:38:02,430
become great. And then at the
end, that all kind of revolves

2561
02:38:02,430 --> 02:38:09,600
back to men and women, when they
work together, form a perfect

2562
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:15,000
union that is more powerful than
anything in the universe. And

2563
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:15,300
little

2564
02:38:15,300 --> 02:38:19,200
spiritual there. Yeah, he knew
he was great. Yes, it made you

2565
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:19,530
alert.

2566
02:38:20,010 --> 02:38:22,380
It was very new agey, there were
a couple of women in there who

2567
02:38:22,380 --> 02:38:27,840
just were fascinating to listen
to, and nothing I wanted to pull

2568
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:30,630
any clips from. But it was
interesting, because a lot of

2569
02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:35,730
the same women and seriously it
was about men and women together

2570
02:38:35,730 --> 02:38:39,390
and men and women. That was the
takeaway. Men and women when

2571
02:38:39,390 --> 02:38:42,030
they work together in perfect
unison, then that's how the

2572
02:38:42,030 --> 02:38:45,240
universe was meant to be. And it
wasn't even about men serving

2573
02:38:45,240 --> 02:38:47,730
women or women being better but
equal

2574
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:52,380
and gay, but it was the same.
That's a reasonable Yes,

2575
02:38:52,380 --> 02:38:56,430
but then it's the same people
who are advocating for same sex

2576
02:38:56,430 --> 02:38:58,770
marriages and LGBTQ Q

2577
02:38:58,950 --> 02:39:01,590
and that's makes no logical
exactly what you

2578
02:39:01,590 --> 02:39:06,810
say doesn't fit into somewhere
it has to give. And actually,

2579
02:39:06,930 --> 02:39:09,360
you know, I've had some
arguments over this but I said,

2580
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:14,040
so if it truly is the female
energy in the male energy that

2581
02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:17,670
that that create this perfect
unison together, okay, but you

2582
02:39:17,670 --> 02:39:20,580
know, I think it's people not
just I don't see it as male

2583
02:39:20,580 --> 02:39:25,860
female. Because I think you
know, the two gay people gay or

2584
02:39:25,860 --> 02:39:28,590
lesbian or whatever, they can
also create look at us, John, I

2585
02:39:28,590 --> 02:39:32,220
mean, here we are. We're, we're,
we're vicarious and whatever you

2586
02:39:32,220 --> 02:39:37,620
are, we're not. Yeah, I'm
questioning, um, the queue and

2587
02:39:37,620 --> 02:39:38,130
question in

2588
02:39:38,130 --> 02:39:38,820
the queue.

2589
02:39:40,470 --> 02:39:44,010
But so to me, this really
failed, but I've now been

2590
02:39:44,010 --> 02:39:49,800
keeping my eye open on thing for
for this clearly agenda. 21

2591
02:39:49,800 --> 02:39:56,040
driven objective in the BBC
propagated the formula with some

2592
02:39:56,040 --> 02:40:04,530
bogus HIV study The headline
women better at multitasking

2593
02:40:04,530 --> 02:40:05,310
than men.

2594
02:40:08,220 --> 02:40:10,860
And it's interesting because
that kind of that's may or may

2595
02:40:10,860 --> 02:40:13,440
not be true, I'm assuming is
bullcrap. But whatever the case

2596
02:40:13,440 --> 02:40:16,860
is, the latest studies are
showing that multitasking is not

2597
02:40:16,860 --> 02:40:21,900
good to accomplish anything. So
you know, this this like I'm a

2598
02:40:21,900 --> 02:40:23,670
great multitasker, I get nothing
done.

2599
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:29,700
Then there was this. This IW M
F, the International Women's

2600
02:40:29,700 --> 02:40:34,830
Media Foundation and to prove a
point, they rigged an ATM

2601
02:40:34,830 --> 02:40:37,170
there's a video of this, but
there's no sound that makes any

2602
02:40:37,170 --> 02:40:41,610
sense and happen I think in
Sweden or maybe Norway, when

2603
02:40:41,610 --> 02:40:45,810
they say here's equal pay for a
day. Where was it Switzerland.

2604
02:40:46,470 --> 02:40:51,360
And whenever a man came up to
the ATM, let's say he wanted 100

2605
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:56,310
euros, they'd give him 80 euros.
And then you know the guy would

2606
02:40:56,310 --> 02:40:58,380
be standing there for like five
minutes, you know, tapping the

2607
02:40:58,380 --> 02:41:01,320
screen trying to figure out why
he only got 80 euros and then

2608
02:41:01,500 --> 02:41:05,700
the receipt would pop out and it
would say women are are

2609
02:41:05,700 --> 02:41:09,300
regularly paid 20% less than
equally skilled men and

2610
02:41:09,300 --> 02:41:12,450
comparable positions. How does
it feel this is Equal Pay Day?

2611
02:41:14,070 --> 02:41:18,420
And I'm like this Alan fun tow
this camera. This is a serious

2612
02:41:18,450 --> 02:41:21,900
at the IW MF International
Women's Media Foundation is a

2613
02:41:21,900 --> 02:41:23,940
serious not for profit.

2614
02:41:24,420 --> 02:41:27,120
Read I know but what's the point
of this, this this trick?

2615
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:33,450
To make men feel bad apparently.
And, and, and I'm just seeing

2616
02:41:33,450 --> 02:41:37,770
more and more of this. And I
have a here's a here's another

2617
02:41:37,770 --> 02:41:42,450
one. They another test. Scarcity
of college men leads women to

2618
02:41:42,450 --> 02:41:48,000
choose briefcase over baby. So
they did a study at UT in San

2619
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:53,190
Antonio and University of
Minnesota. And they told women

2620
02:41:53,370 --> 02:41:56,970
on campuses whether it was true
or not. They said well, there's

2621
02:41:57,000 --> 02:42:01,710
no there's a scarcity of men on
in this college. And these women

2622
02:42:01,800 --> 02:42:06,480
during this test, excelled and,
and put family and relationship

2623
02:42:06,480 --> 02:42:10,200
aside and became career
professionals. When they told

2624
02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:14,460
another group of women that
there's an abundance of men,

2625
02:42:14,490 --> 02:42:17,040
they chose family and
relationships somehow this this

2626
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:18,450
proves something apparently

2627
02:42:18,450 --> 02:42:20,760
sounds like it wasn't done
properly. Well, it sounds

2628
02:42:20,760 --> 02:42:24,840
to me like it's kill men is what
it says to me. The wish to kill

2629
02:42:24,840 --> 02:42:29,700
men and then men, right. But
here's the only thing and we're

2630
02:42:29,700 --> 02:42:31,920
just going to keep our eye on
this. But I would like to say

2631
02:42:31,920 --> 02:42:35,550
one thing too and and then I'll
get off my soapbox for a while

2632
02:42:35,550 --> 02:42:40,170
on this women. Particularly this
conversation that is happening

2633
02:42:40,170 --> 02:42:44,040
in our world now about equality
and pay equality in the

2634
02:42:44,040 --> 02:42:47,010
workplace. Certainly when it
comes a lot of people listen to

2635
02:42:47,010 --> 02:42:52,590
the show or other podcasts about
women in technology. You know

2636
02:42:52,590 --> 02:42:56,400
that, you know, and women on
boards of companies that has to

2637
02:42:56,400 --> 02:43:02,610
be equal. Let me if you really
want to equalise women with men

2638
02:43:02,610 --> 02:43:07,830
in in this modern world, stop
complaining about Facebook and

2639
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:12,180
Twitter and even General
Electric or boards or whatever

2640
02:43:12,180 --> 02:43:18,450
it is. And please go after the
top three evil male dominated

2641
02:43:18,450 --> 02:43:21,990
women discriminating
organisations in the world. If

2642
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:25,620
you start with the top three,
who discriminate women

2643
02:43:25,620 --> 02:43:29,520
historically for hundreds of
years and on a consistent basis,

2644
02:43:29,850 --> 02:43:34,140
you might change something and
they are bigger than Twitter and

2645
02:43:34,140 --> 02:43:38,340
Facebook and GE and the top
three are the Catholic Church,

2646
02:43:38,550 --> 02:43:43,560
the Jewish temple, and the
Muslim synagogue, a mosque.

2647
02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:49,650
Mosque, and just go look,
Catholic Church. Screw women,

2648
02:43:49,890 --> 02:43:52,500
Jewish Temple Oh, yes, women,
you're allowed. We have to sit

2649
02:43:52,500 --> 02:43:57,600
up in the attic. And the Muslims
do I really have to tell you how

2650
02:43:57,600 --> 02:43:58,500
women are treated.

2651
02:43:59,760 --> 02:44:02,610
Well, there you have it. So
Sinead, you nailed it. If they

2652
02:44:02,610 --> 02:44:05,220
if that is accomplished and
you'll you'll be a happy camper.

2653
02:44:05,280 --> 02:44:08,610
That's never gonna happen. And
here's what's more likely to

2654
02:44:08,610 --> 02:44:12,000
happen. Now, this clip I've got
here,

2655
02:44:12,210 --> 02:44:14,730
can I just say something, John?
Yeah, I'm giving this

2656
02:44:14,730 --> 02:44:19,290
information to our listeners
because the next time someone

2657
02:44:19,290 --> 02:44:22,470
goes off, but women are not
treated equally, all you have to

2658
02:44:22,470 --> 02:44:25,350
say is, hey, you really want to
change the world start with

2659
02:44:25,350 --> 02:44:27,090
those three groups. You change
those guys.

2660
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:31,230
I think we all got that
information, and I will use it

2661
02:44:31,230 --> 02:44:34,590
to I like I was wondering what
it was gonna be I thought maybe

2662
02:44:34,590 --> 02:44:38,250
General Electric, but I'm an
American and I think business I

2663
02:44:38,250 --> 02:44:41,040
think stocks I think insider
trading as well. You know, I

2664
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:44,370
think NSA was spying on people.
Industrial Esther. I didn't even

2665
02:44:44,370 --> 02:44:46,500
then a million years thinking
we're gonna drop three religions

2666
02:44:46,500 --> 02:44:46,650
on.

2667
02:44:46,680 --> 02:44:49,230
You know what the worst thing
is? Remember when sinead

2668
02:44:49,230 --> 02:44:51,210
o'connor but the Buddhist by the
way,

2669
02:44:51,210 --> 02:44:52,320
I think there's the same thing.

2670
02:44:52,830 --> 02:44:55,590
I remember when Sinead O'Connor
was on Saturday Night Live and

2671
02:44:55,590 --> 02:44:59,250
she ripped up the picture of the
Pope. Yeah. And at the time I

2672
02:44:59,250 --> 02:45:02,820
was not awake. And I didn't
quite understand. And I thought

2673
02:45:02,820 --> 02:45:08,010
she was an idiot. I was like,
What a dick. And now I'm like,

2674
02:45:08,040 --> 02:45:09,960
oh my god, she was so right.

2675
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:11,640
She was ahead of her way ahead

2676
02:45:11,640 --> 02:45:12,270
of her time.

2677
02:45:13,410 --> 02:45:16,410
With the haircut too. I might.
Yeah, absolutely. Here's it. Now

2678
02:45:16,410 --> 02:45:19,020
this is football season that
this relates to what you just

2679
02:45:19,020 --> 02:45:22,080
said, because this is the way
women are used in college

2680
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:25,620
athletics. I didn't know I was I
kind of was aware of this, but I

2681
02:45:25,620 --> 02:45:28,200
wasn't totally aware of it. This
is a report a new book came out

2682
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:30,780
and I'm gonna I know you don't
like sports or football and this

2683
02:45:30,780 --> 02:45:33,840
is college football season. But
you've got to like this story.

2684
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:40,290
Apparently, the colleges are
essentially using hookers to get

2685
02:45:40,290 --> 02:45:43,050
people to join their various
football programmes are called

2686
02:45:43,050 --> 02:45:46,380
hostesses. And here is the
hostess programme.

2687
02:45:46,590 --> 02:45:51,930
Wait, wait a minute, we've
evolved from the sex with little

2688
02:45:51,930 --> 02:45:53,400
boys to hookers

2689
02:45:53,910 --> 02:45:59,580
is what was was isolated. I
think what is this man? This is

2690
02:45:59,580 --> 02:46:02,130
more common. I believe what an
advancement

2691
02:46:02,130 --> 02:46:04,800
is a lot of case studies here
men and many of the recruiting

2692
02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:08,880
scandals rise out of the many of
the scandals rise out of

2693
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:12,360
recruiting. Absolutely. One of
the ones you're talking about is

2694
02:46:12,360 --> 02:46:15,570
called the so called hostesses
and it's a case at the

2695
02:46:15,570 --> 02:46:18,840
University of Tennessee now
that's one that you know you

2696
02:46:18,840 --> 02:46:21,900
don't see when you're watching
Saturday the day absolutely what

2697
02:46:21,900 --> 02:46:23,940
are hostesses and tell us
hostesses are

2698
02:46:23,940 --> 02:46:27,540
essentially the first face that
a college recruit a high school

2699
02:46:27,540 --> 02:46:30,480
recruit will see coming on
campus. They're vivacious,

2700
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:33,780
they're flirtatious. They know
the programme inside and out.

2701
02:46:33,870 --> 02:46:37,260
They had been trained to act as
the as the really the outfront

2702
02:46:37,260 --> 02:46:41,220
face of the programme. What Jeff
and I document and on the record

2703
02:46:41,220 --> 02:46:44,430
through a young woman named
Lacey pro herbs at Tennessee was

2704
02:46:44,430 --> 02:46:48,150
her experience as known as the
closer she was the top hostess

2705
02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:52,620
there. And what happens is, is
there are sexual relationships

2706
02:46:52,620 --> 02:46:56,760
that go on between the college
girls and the high school

2707
02:46:56,760 --> 02:46:59,610
athletes coming in not in
Lacey's case, but there's a

2708
02:46:59,610 --> 02:47:03,210
tremendous amount of flirtation
and intimation that the

2709
02:47:03,210 --> 02:47:07,650
possibility of a relationship
exists. And that's a powerful

2710
02:47:07,650 --> 02:47:11,670
allure. Think about it. A high
school boy 17 or 18 year old on

2711
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:15,420
essentially a weekend date with
a 21 or 22 year old girl. It's a

2712
02:47:15,420 --> 02:47:17,760
very powerful it's kind of like
a secret weapon that they

2713
02:47:18,030 --> 02:47:23,520
say it's under the under the
well it's known by this the the

2714
02:47:23,550 --> 02:47:26,010
the authorities in this game.
Oh, absolutely. The schools.

2715
02:47:26,130 --> 02:47:29,130
You know, the hostess programmes
are integral parts of the

2716
02:47:29,130 --> 02:47:32,040
athletic departments in many
ways. And certainly in the media

2717
02:47:32,040 --> 02:47:37,050
guides. They're treated as the
sort of inert but outgoing

2718
02:47:37,050 --> 02:47:40,920
aspects of the programme, when
in fact, particularly in

2719
02:47:40,920 --> 02:47:44,310
conferences that are so
competitive like the SEC, they

2720
02:47:44,310 --> 02:47:47,640
are crucial to getting these
recruits to commit.

2721
02:47:50,490 --> 02:47:53,640
One of the popular schools
apparently is Morehead State.

2722
02:47:54,750 --> 02:48:02,340
Wow. Yes, I got just still
baffled by the clip.

2723
02:48:02,370 --> 02:48:06,300
I was thinking to myself, you
weren't thinking? Oh, well,

2724
02:48:06,330 --> 02:48:12,330
yeah, I'm like, wow. Mahama I
missed out on so much. I could

2725
02:48:12,330 --> 02:48:14,400
have been I could have been a
basketball player.

2726
02:48:14,790 --> 02:48:17,520
You tall enough to be in your
era. Yeah. I could have been in

2727
02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:21,600
a good centre, or at least the
centre. No, no, no centre. No,

2728
02:48:21,630 --> 02:48:24,960
no, even back in the day, you
wouldn't be a centre, maybe a

2729
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:27,210
forward crowd. You're too short.

2730
02:48:27,540 --> 02:48:30,630
So where does this leave us? Is
this it? Will something change

2731
02:48:30,630 --> 02:48:33,270
in this outrage? No. Will women

2732
02:48:33,420 --> 02:48:37,770
who was that change anything?
Well, the girls are having a

2733
02:48:37,770 --> 02:48:42,450
good time. Wow. So I got another
clip here. I want to get out of

2734
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:44,880
out of the way, right. Oh, this
was an interesting thing. This

2735
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:49,200
is not reported at all, by
anybody except the one of these

2736
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:54,060
crazy news outlets, the EURO
NEWS. And it was I think it's a

2737
02:48:54,060 --> 02:48:58,680
very interesting piece of news
clowns in Mexico.

2738
02:49:02,220 --> 02:49:07,110
Mexico City has been invaded by
peace loving clowns, coming from

2739
02:49:07,110 --> 02:49:10,440
all over Latin America. They
were in town for the 18th annual

2740
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:13,830
clown convention. Though their
business may be laughs They had

2741
02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:18,750
a serious message. They wanted
to spread their message of peace

2742
02:49:18,750 --> 02:49:22,080
in the country, which has seen
600,000 deaths due to drug

2743
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:27,270
related violence in the last
seven years. We want peace since

2744
02:49:27,270 --> 02:49:29,790
there's so much violence in
Mexico. We know how the

2745
02:49:29,790 --> 02:49:33,240
situation is right now. We want
a little bit of peace. We spread

2746
02:49:33,240 --> 02:49:39,480
happiness laughter smiles.
That's why we're clowns. Clowns

2747
02:49:39,480 --> 02:49:43,350
are an integral part of life and
Mexico. They can often be seen

2748
02:49:43,350 --> 02:49:46,260
performing in the streets to
earn a living, but it's a tough

2749
02:49:46,260 --> 02:49:49,860
life. The convention will see a
series of workshops to help them

2750
02:49:49,860 --> 02:49:53,130
hone their craft. One clown
explains the importance of

2751
02:49:53,130 --> 02:49:58,680
getting together every year.
Mass but I cannot train

2752
02:49:58,680 --> 02:50:02,100
ourselves better. So there'll be
one minutely as clowns that are

2753
02:50:02,100 --> 02:50:04,980
trained and not worried about
that. We don't suffer a lot like

2754
02:50:04,980 --> 02:50:08,160
the majority of society who will
start dying from hunger when

2755
02:50:08,160 --> 02:50:09,360
there are no children left

2756
02:50:16,980 --> 02:50:18,360
clowns in Mexico

2757
02:50:18,390 --> 02:50:22,110
i i am not a fan of clowns.

2758
02:50:22,650 --> 02:50:24,780
You're Are you one of those
little kids that were scared of

2759
02:50:24,780 --> 02:50:25,440
clowns? No,

2760
02:50:25,470 --> 02:50:27,840
no, I've just never thought they
were funny. Never thought they

2761
02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:34,500
were interesting. I never got
the joke. I didn't is I think

2762
02:50:34,500 --> 02:50:38,100
the world can be split up into
two groups, people who are all

2763
02:50:38,100 --> 02:50:40,800
in and people who are not all in
on the clown thing.

2764
02:50:41,099 --> 02:50:44,699
Yeah, I there's a lot of people
that hate clowns. I don't hate

2765
02:50:44,699 --> 02:50:47,309
they're called clown haters that
you

2766
02:50:47,790 --> 02:50:50,820
hurry. Where are you on the
clown thing? I find

2767
02:50:50,820 --> 02:50:54,600
cars to be amusing. They fall
down and they do crazy things

2768
02:50:54,600 --> 02:50:56,880
they get into they usually drive
around a little car and a whole

2769
02:50:56,880 --> 02:51:00,540
bunch of them get in it and they
run around and they got funny

2770
02:51:00,540 --> 02:51:05,730
feet and they got a crazy makeup
jobs are unbelievable. All

2771
02:51:05,730 --> 02:51:08,610
right, one more clip and then
I'm gonna let you slide.

2772
02:51:08,730 --> 02:51:11,160
Oh, you will you let me go after
one more.

2773
02:51:12,660 --> 02:51:16,740
Coat. This is a story that needs
to have more publicity. This is

2774
02:51:16,740 --> 02:51:20,280
a disgusting story coach seats
on American did you feel

2775
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:23,880
the squeeze flying coach on a
consumer watch tonight Julie

2776
02:51:23,880 --> 02:51:26,370
Watts explains. There's a good
reason for that.

2777
02:51:27,720 --> 02:51:30,870
Airlines are shrinking their
seats. According to The Wall

2778
02:51:30,870 --> 02:51:34,230
Street Journal first they
slimline them now big carriers

2779
02:51:34,230 --> 02:51:38,160
like American Air Canada and Air
France are adding an extra seat

2780
02:51:38,190 --> 02:51:43,020
to each row and coach there will
now be 10 seats across shrinking

2781
02:51:43,020 --> 02:51:46,560
the seat with just 17 inches.
Take a look at how that compares

2782
02:51:46,560 --> 02:51:50,250
to the 21 inch first class See,
even though is look tiny

2783
02:51:50,250 --> 02:51:53,490
compared to your average movie
theatre seat. But to really put

2784
02:51:53,490 --> 02:51:56,790
it in perspective, the new
longhole Coach seats are

2785
02:51:56,790 --> 02:52:01,350
significantly smaller than even
Amtrak seats and stadium seats

2786
02:52:01,380 --> 02:52:02,010
yeah that's

2787
02:52:02,010 --> 02:52:07,200
great news. We're we've booked a
flight to to Amsterdam and

2788
02:52:07,200 --> 02:52:12,750
November or for a week because
Miss Mickey's Expo has been

2789
02:52:12,750 --> 02:52:15,720
extended there so she can you
know do some crafts and sell

2790
02:52:15,720 --> 02:52:16,050
some stuff

2791
02:52:16,050 --> 02:52:20,700
get it has a fly coach. Yeah, of
course. Is it gonna be one of

2792
02:52:20,700 --> 02:52:23,670
these IDI? I mean I'm gonna I
would we have to put a website

2793
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:27,960
together with this seat widths
and the leg rooms on every

2794
02:52:27,960 --> 02:52:30,630
airline and you should not fly
on these airlines John

2795
02:52:30,630 --> 02:52:34,110
that's a great idea another
fantastic we can't even get our

2796
02:52:34,110 --> 02:52:37,530
own show website looking
anything decent after six years.

2797
02:52:38,310 --> 02:52:41,460
We have one way somebody out
there should do it. We have a

2798
02:52:41,460 --> 02:52:45,300
one page website and I like it
that way. I know people are

2799
02:52:45,330 --> 02:52:46,590
starting to condemn us for that.

2800
02:52:46,620 --> 02:52:49,620
Well no one's condemning us it
was they do on the Twitch show.

2801
02:52:49,710 --> 02:52:53,640
No, they're not condemning us.
Please. Okay, I got

2802
02:52:53,640 --> 02:52:56,190
one trailer listen to this. This
is a good one this we should

2803
02:52:56,190 --> 02:52:59,340
have played earlier in the show.
This is a movie trailer for a

2804
02:52:59,340 --> 02:53:02,640
movie that's such a piece of
crap that nobody would take the

2805
02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:07,110
movie except the National
Geographic channel. It's called

2806
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:07,920
blackout

2807
02:53:07,950 --> 02:53:09,750
you know that we've played this
right

2808
02:53:10,830 --> 02:53:14,130
the same clip I know we played
it but I don't know if it's the

2809
02:53:14,130 --> 02:53:14,670
same clip

2810
02:53:14,700 --> 02:53:16,650
Yeah, I think so.

2811
02:53:16,740 --> 02:53:20,370
We are in the midst of what
appears to be a colossal and

2812
02:53:20,370 --> 02:53:21,930
history making blackout

2813
02:53:28,260 --> 02:53:35,070
we're stuck we gotta get some
water the current blackout is

2814
02:53:35,070 --> 02:53:42,300
the result of a cyber attack
American blackout a premiere

2815
02:53:42,300 --> 02:53:45,750
movie event tomorrow at nine on
a National Geographic Channel.

2816
02:53:45,780 --> 02:53:47,610
Is that tonight? Or was that
last night?

2817
02:53:48,810 --> 02:53:50,610
It would be tonight would be
that when they're showing the

2818
02:53:50,610 --> 02:53:51,030
movie?

2819
02:53:51,720 --> 02:53:56,640
Oh, we got to watch this is
isn't the the actual drill

2820
02:53:56,640 --> 02:54:00,840
taking place this week as well
the cyber attack grid blackout

2821
02:54:00,840 --> 02:54:01,290
drill.

2822
02:54:02,190 --> 02:54:04,530
I don't know if that's true
because but there's another

2823
02:54:04,530 --> 02:54:07,290
drill going on all over the Bay
Area called and I have a clip

2824
02:54:07,500 --> 02:54:11,070
the urban shield drill when they
they actually it seems to me

2825
02:54:11,070 --> 02:54:14,100
scare these kids because you can
hear a little girls screaming

2826
02:54:14,100 --> 02:54:16,470
their heads off as though
something bad is happening.

2827
02:54:16,470 --> 02:54:16,920
Seven News

2828
02:54:16,920 --> 02:54:18,810
reporter Cornell Barnard has the
story.

2829
02:54:22,050 --> 02:54:25,470
Terrified students run from this
Castro Valley Elementary school

2830
02:54:25,470 --> 02:54:29,430
after a gunman fire shots on
campus. what you're watching is

2831
02:54:29,430 --> 02:54:33,090
not real. It's only a drill. But
the realistic situation being

2832
02:54:33,090 --> 02:54:35,790
created here a vital exercise
for first

2833
02:54:35,790 --> 02:54:39,090
responders. We try to replicate
what happens in these situations

2834
02:54:39,090 --> 02:54:42,120
and we tried purposely try to
make a chaotic and we purposely

2835
02:54:42,120 --> 02:54:46,680
try to make it a mess. So that
when if and hopefully not this

2836
02:54:46,680 --> 02:54:49,110
ever happens. Teams will be
ready.

2837
02:54:50,400 --> 02:54:53,340
This training session one of
many across the bay area this

2838
02:54:53,340 --> 02:54:57,150
weekend. Part of urban shield,
the largest real life drill for

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02:54:57,150 --> 02:55:02,700
police and fire in the country.
Yeah, nice. feel real safe? I

2840
02:55:02,700 --> 02:55:03,210
really do.

2841
02:55:03,810 --> 02:55:07,920
What I am telling you those kids
were those screams weren't like

2842
02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:12,420
say scream because drills you
know they have drills that fire

2843
02:55:12,420 --> 02:55:13,140
drills in school but

2844
02:55:13,140 --> 02:55:15,720
who knows whether they
frightened to kids? Did you see

2845
02:55:15,720 --> 02:55:18,480
the video where the kid
screaming or was it was a bunch

2846
02:55:18,480 --> 02:55:18,810
of kids

2847
02:55:18,810 --> 02:55:21,930
running and waving their arms
running up the thing. Kids

2848
02:55:22,529 --> 02:55:24,839
problem was probably they
probably had some clown walking

2849
02:55:24,839 --> 02:55:29,249
around. Alright, I'm gonna I got
my last two for you demolition.

2850
02:55:30,179 --> 02:55:33,329
This is the US version of the
report and then we'll play the

2851
02:55:33,329 --> 02:55:35,159
BBC version right after that

2852
02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:37,590
demolition now underway at Sandy
Hook Elementary School in

2853
02:55:37,590 --> 02:55:40,530
Connecticut, the site of that
horrific shooting in Newtown

2854
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:45,060
contractors reportedly told to
erase every inch of the school.

2855
02:55:45,150 --> 02:55:47,670
The job is expected to take
several weeks. The students

2856
02:55:47,670 --> 02:55:49,650
displaced after the mass
shooting last year had been

2857
02:55:49,650 --> 02:55:52,020
going to school in a
neighbouring town and a new

2858
02:55:52,020 --> 02:55:55,710
school is set to open a new town
in 2016.

2859
02:55:55,740 --> 02:55:59,250
So these are the contractors
that have to sign nondisclosure

2860
02:55:59,370 --> 02:56:03,960
disclosures and they have to
destroy every single inch.

2861
02:56:04,410 --> 02:56:08,190
Sandy Hook Elementary School in
Newtown, Connecticut, where 26

2862
02:56:08,190 --> 02:56:11,520
people were killed in a mass
shooting last December is to be

2863
02:56:11,550 --> 02:56:15,330
demolished. A task force voted
unanimously to tear down the

2864
02:56:15,330 --> 02:56:18,660
school and build a new one in
its place. Every part of the

2865
02:56:18,660 --> 02:56:21,510
building will be destroyed to
make sure that pieces of it are

2866
02:56:21,510 --> 02:56:24,060
not kept as souvenirs. Gah.
Okay,

2867
02:56:24,330 --> 02:56:29,460
that makes sense. souvenirs.
Okay, it's the souvenir hunters.

2868
02:56:29,460 --> 02:56:31,320
That way we have to stop really

2869
02:56:32,220 --> 02:56:33,480
seems unlikely.

2870
02:56:33,510 --> 02:56:38,370
Yeah. All right, I'm following
some Bill and Melinda Gates

2871
02:56:38,370 --> 02:56:41,400
Foundation stuff, which I'm
going to save for Thursday, but

2872
02:56:41,400 --> 02:56:47,610
it's pretty fun. Okay. In
general, just more eugenic

2873
02:56:47,610 --> 02:56:51,390
stuff, which is, you know, yeah,
I'm kind of loving all that. As

2874
02:56:51,390 --> 02:56:56,940
well as the whole Silk Road.
Bitcoin thing is very bothersome

2875
02:56:56,940 --> 02:57:00,390
still how that's being reported.
So we'll we'll check in on that.

2876
02:57:01,260 --> 02:57:09,780
Some news from Africa. And yes,
yeah. And some more email. So

2877
02:57:10,020 --> 02:57:14,280
working on stuff. Just working
working for you here at your

2878
02:57:14,280 --> 02:57:17,730
service doing the best we can.
How about you?

2879
02:57:18,210 --> 02:57:20,280
I've got a couple of things.
There's still a couple of things

2880
02:57:20,280 --> 02:57:22,590
on here. I could run one last
little shorty.

2881
02:57:22,650 --> 02:57:25,830
Oh, okay, before we leave last
one, then. Yeah, the touching

2882
02:57:25,830 --> 02:57:30,120
the belly clip is a kind of like
a Baffler. That is like cheesy.

2883
02:57:30,480 --> 02:57:31,980
Does this make sense? But okay.

2884
02:57:32,609 --> 02:57:36,269
I knew law makes it illegal to
touch pregnant women's tummies

2885
02:57:36,299 --> 02:57:39,659
Pennsylvania passed the law this
week after a stranger kept

2886
02:57:39,659 --> 02:57:43,949
touching a woman's belly against
her will. Watch.

2887
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:51,510
Stop touching my belly. Wow.
Wow, your will? What? Would they

2888
02:57:51,510 --> 02:57:53,640
tire down? I don't know this.
Well,

2889
02:57:53,730 --> 02:57:57,750
there is. I have seen this.
There's an annoying thing where

2890
02:57:57,780 --> 02:58:01,530
people walk up to pregnant women
and say can I catch you badly? I

2891
02:58:01,530 --> 02:58:02,100
have seen it.

2892
02:58:02,100 --> 02:58:06,360
It is why I've seen it you but
what is the point? It's not it's

2893
02:58:06,360 --> 02:58:08,280
a fascination in touch. You're
pregnant? Well, I mean, I've

2894
02:58:08,280 --> 02:58:11,400
touched a pregnant woman's
belly. But I don't know that I'm

2895
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:12,390
compelled to.

2896
02:58:12,420 --> 02:58:15,750
It's it's a fascination with
life. And it's a beautiful thing

2897
02:58:15,750 --> 02:58:21,120
that's happening and you makes
you feel human. And you can't do

2898
02:58:21,120 --> 02:58:23,490
that slave STOP TOUCHING
bellies.

2899
02:58:25,020 --> 02:58:27,360
Now it's against the law in
Pennsylvania. Anyway.

2900
02:58:28,020 --> 02:58:31,110
That's it for six years.

2901
02:58:31,350 --> 02:58:34,650
Yeah, six years. We're going on
to start in year seven on on

2902
02:58:34,650 --> 02:58:40,950
Thursday, which would be
561 5616 plus one is seven. And

2903
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:45,600
so we have that coming up and
really loaded for bear because

2904
02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:47,730
there's doesn't seem to be by
the way, this should be the week

2905
02:58:47,730 --> 02:58:50,250
where there is an incident.
That's right, six weeks cycle

2906
02:58:50,250 --> 02:58:54,510
starts a six week cycle so that
we're gonna give it till the

2907
02:58:54,510 --> 02:58:57,360
next show, which would be
Sunday, the next suddenly the

2908
02:58:57,360 --> 02:59:00,870
next Sunday show for something
this week to happen. We'll see.

2909
02:59:01,500 --> 02:59:05,400
Coming to you from Austin, Texas
in the morning. I'm Adam curry,

2910
02:59:05,670 --> 02:59:09,210
and from Northern Silicon
Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak.

2911
02:59:09,240 --> 02:59:13,440
We will talk to you again on
Thursday right here. On no

2912
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:20,460
agenda. Shut up, slave Tamati
adios MoPhO Oh my goodness.

2913
02:59:25,050 --> 02:59:28,710
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