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So they're bombing the public relations department.

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Adam Currie, John C.

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Dvorak.

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It's Sunday, September 14, 2025.

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This is your award-winning Give My Nation

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Media assassination episode 1799.

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This is no agenda.

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We've got the magic number and we're broadcasting

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live from the heart of the Texas Yellow

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Country here in FEMA region number six.

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In the morning, everybody.

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I'm Adam Currie.

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And from northern Silicon Valley, where wait, the

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roommate was a trans named Twigs.

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What?

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I'm John C.

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Dvorak.

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This is Crackpot and Buzzkill.

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In the morning.

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Yeah.

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This whole thing smells bad, Mr. Dvorak.

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Well, I know a couple of things that

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are obvious.

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Fox.

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I have this clip from this morning I

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sent as a bonus clip.

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Okay, you got it.

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They are avoiding this topic like the plague.

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Foxes?

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I don't think it's going to last long,

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but Howard Kurtz's show, he does a kind

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of a clone on the media.

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He's like one of the media guys.

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He comes on once a week.

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Oh, okay.

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Deconstruct the media.

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Does he do that on the weekend?

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I don't think I've ever seen him.

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Yeah, only weekends.

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It's like Sunday only.

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I don't even think he does a Saturday

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And so it kind of came up in

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the conversation.

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Man, this is the clip TG.

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They went so far.

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They just said they just dropped this like

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a hot potato.

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Nobody wants to talk about it at Fox.

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Megan, do the media need to know this?

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Whether the report is that he was rooming

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with a transgender person, or is that just

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something to glom onto because then we can

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blame it on the other side?

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I said earlier, all Democrats are out for

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murder, that kind of like painting with a

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broad brush.

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I don't necessarily think we need to know

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the murder.

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I think he was mentally unstable, and I

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think he committed murder, which is horrendous and

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unnecessary on a basic level.

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But I think that we're always going to

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find people who don't like our views, whether

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or not they're moderate, whether or not they're

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left, or whether or not they're to the

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I got a threat on Friday.

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I'm a very moderate Democrat who comes on

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Fox, who comes on all the stations.

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Yes.

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And it's very moderate.

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I should not be getting threats in my

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social media, but we do.

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I'm sure you get them- But you

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have on this- Literally on Friday.

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I'm sure you get them, and we all

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get them.

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I don't care what their motives are.

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They shouldn't be violent.

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It shouldn't matter.

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You should have the freedom to say what

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you want to say.

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That's the end of story.

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That's our democracy.

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I think this is a part of something

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else.

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I believe that all of the networks on

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all sides of the same spectrum, as they

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all are really, have all gotten the message,

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we've got to calm it down because we're

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all somehow responsible for this.

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And you don't want to get fired because

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people are getting fired left and right.

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Right now only left, but I think right

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is coming.

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And the media has gotten some message to

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tamp it all down and not blame it

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on a side.

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Well, you know, the funny thing out here,

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it's kind of just completely dissipated from the

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whole thing is gone.

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No, I mean, I'm looking at the quad

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screen and Fox is talking to Mike Johnson

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for the past 48 hours.

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That's got to be high entertainment.

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this morning.

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I mean, the guy's making the rounds.

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But before we do that, everybody was waiting

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for Saturday.

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You know, we had the, oh, you know,

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the FBI.

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You got a press conference 20 minutes late.

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We're looking at the empty stage.

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We've got a, we got the four minute

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warning.

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We got the two minute warning.

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Okay, it's coming.

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And then we got this.

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In 33 hours, we have made historic progress

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for Charlie.

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In less than 36 hours.

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33 to be precise.

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There's one more good.

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Let me play all three.

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Just so you get it all in context.

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These are in linear fashion.

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In 33 hours, we have made historic progress

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In less than 36 hours.

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Bad stuff happens.

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Why the laughter?

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I was.

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The laughter from the governor of Utah was

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the weirdest one.

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As he turns around and looks at Cash

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Patel and says for.

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Bad stuff happens.

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And for, for 33 hours.

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What is up with that?

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This was Tina comes in from the bathroom.

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She's like, what is going on?

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I'm like, well, for almost 18 years.

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We've been tracking this and we can't now.

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All of a sudden, no avail.

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But it's always, always something up with this.

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And what was the emphasis?

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You could have said in less than 48

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hours, a little over 24.

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Less than a day and a half.

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No, 33, 33, 33.

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This bugged me to no end.

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said 36 and then he corrected it to

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Yes, in less than 36, 33.

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To be exact, and which is bullcrap, because

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we all know anyone who's ever worked for

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a living or done anything.

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You can't pinpoint, you know, your, your success

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at a certain number of exact hours to

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be exact.

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That's not even possible.

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So this was, so that's code.

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Of course it's code.

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And all of the stuff that's coming out

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and the information that's from sources, because mind

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you, I don't think there's been an official

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Notice has it, has this person even been

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officially charged yet?

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Because on Saturday, Kash Patel was very clear.

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We have 36 hours to file charging documents.

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So this person hasn't even officially been charged

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as far as I know.

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The whole thing stinks.

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We were at, there was a big benefit

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concert last night for, you know, for the

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flood victims.

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Trace Atkins performed, if you've ever, if you've

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never seen Trace Atkins, man, that guy's good.

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But the, my buddy, Mike, the, the sheriff,

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he was, you know, in charge of a

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lot of the security there.

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And he's, and he came right up to

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me, he said, Adam, we, you know, I

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guess they may have some inside knowledge.

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I don't know if Gillespie County Sheriff's office

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gets that or not, but he said, she

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is unlikely, but okay.

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They talk, you know, people talk.

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And so whatever talk there is, I'm just

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passing it on.

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He says, one, no way.

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He says, no way this went down the

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way they're saying it.

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he says, we've got a video with, with

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audio of two shots.

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That I'm like, okay, well send, he hasn't

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sent it to me yet, but I said,

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send it to me.

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I'd love to hear that.

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a ricochet, it could be an echo, but

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it's not like these guys don't know what

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that sounds like.

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So the whole thing was, everything's off about

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got the etchings on the casing, which we

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still have not seen.

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We've only heard about it.

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And we have, where's the photo?

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At least with the other guy, they showed

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us, you know, his video showing all the

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etchings and commentary.

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They showed it and put it online.

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Almost like that was predictive programming.

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You know, it's like, well, it'll be just

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like that.

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You saw it, you saw it with that

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other guy.

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So, you know, it's the same here.

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Hey, the whole thing is just.

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Well, it's one of those things we can't

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do anything about except note it.

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Well, because we don't know.

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No, no, but it, but it leaves, it

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leaves so much open.

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And I think that's exactly the point.

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Yes.

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I mentioned that in the newsletter today or

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yesterday, which is that this is good.

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This could lead, especially if something happens to

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this character.

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How there were screwed.

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How likely is that?

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I'd be stunned.

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And so we'd be stuck with this kind

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of speculation forever.

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This is like a real time sink.

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What's interesting about this particular case is the

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amount of stories coming out about people getting

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fired for their response online.

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And I just, I just pulled one story

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from Ohio, which actually has three stories in

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it.

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Just because you have a computer or phone

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handy, doesn't mean you can say whatever you

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Monroe Falls City Council Vice President John Empolizari

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is feeling the heat after post-criticizing Charlie

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Kirk saying in part, quote, the world is

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a better place now that he's gone, end

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And 19 News has confirmed a Cleveland firefighter

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and EMS staff member are under internal investigation

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after the city was made aware of social

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media activity.

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Cleveland attorney Danny Karen says the first amendment

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protections are not limitless.

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There are certain restrictions on the first amendment,

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but as it concerns kids, teachers, whomever popping

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off, council people popping off online, saying awful

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incendiary things, not real smart.

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Why?

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Because a lot of us have codes of

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conduct or codes of ethics that control our

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work experiences.

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You may be surprised to learn it does

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not matter if you're a government employee or

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work for a private company.

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By the way, all the reports are similar

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to this.

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It's like they keep talking about this thing

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called free speech, which I'm not sure what

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that is.

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It's just, you know, what used to be

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called freedom of speech is now just free

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speech.

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Like you don't have to pay.

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It's like a podcast.

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It's free.

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You don't have to pay for it.

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It's free, free speech.

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And that this is that kind of turning

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it into a debate about, you know, well,

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I have the right to say whatever I

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want to say, which is ludicrous.

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But the reason this is interesting is these

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city council people, other officials, like in the

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fire department, people at schools.

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The reason they said this stuff is because

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they clearly thought everybody agrees.

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This is what's so eye opening.

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Can you hear me?

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Yeah.

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Can you not hear me?

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No, it was my fault.

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I, you know, this thing goes, it mutes

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itself.

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I was just going to say in that

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list of people that you're talking about, you

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know who else got nailed?

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Who?

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George Conway.

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Oh, really?

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Interesting.

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George Conway posted a picture comparing Charlie Kirk

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to some Ugan Nazi from the 30s and

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had a picture of them side by side.

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And he's just getting blessed.

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And this is, you know, I, every time

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I see this character, who's just a lunatic.

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How did he ever hook up with Kellyanne

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Conway?

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Who's a power baby, political power.

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He had political power at the time.

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That's what it was.

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But, but she was an idiot.

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But let's just go back to the, to

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the point I'm trying to make here is

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that they clearly thought it was okay to

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post this, whatever, whatever the post was, you

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know, it varied from, you know, oh, well,

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yeah, he said that some victims would have

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to fall for, for defending the second amendment

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to good riddance, all these.

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But I, I'm convinced that these people truly

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believe that everybody around them had the same

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opinion.

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But wait, wait, you had a thing about

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pre-programming earlier in your commentary here.

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Yes, yes.

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How about Luigi?

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There you go.

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There's the pre-programming because everybody was all

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in love with Luigi and then nobody got

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burned for it.

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Exactly.

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Ah, very good point.

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Very good point.

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Huh.

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Isn't that interesting?

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Well, and these guys are getting really the

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libs of tic-tac girl.

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Yeah.

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She has been posting one teacher because she,

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you know, she really goes after teachers, one

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teacher after another who have posted some nasty

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stuff and, and names the school and everything.

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Well, well, she always finishes with the same

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line.

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Do you want this person teaching your children?

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Doesn't that prove the point that the entire

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education system believes that this was okay?

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This is okay.

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Everybody agrees.

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Hey, if you could come back and kill

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baby Hitler in a time machine, wouldn't you

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do it?

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Well, sure I would.

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Which brings me to the supercut.

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I've got a better one than the one

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we just kind of hastily patched together on,

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on Thursday.

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This is primarily MSNBC.

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Primarily.

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But it's, it's not just talking heads.

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It's, you know, the guests.

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It's, it's, it's captains of industry.

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Of course, Nancy Pelosi's in there as well.

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And when you listen to it in this

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context of just a supercut, you go, well,

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yeah, of course I would come back and

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kill baby Hitler and Goering and Goebbels and

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every single one of the, of the Hitlerjugend,

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which, well, listen.

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We have to start calling his supporters, supporters

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racist as well.

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That MAGA, uh, had that MAGA symbol has

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come to represent something.

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It is the new Nazi symbol.

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It is the new, uh, could.

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Because they're not a party, right?

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They're Sinn Fein to the IRA.

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They're, they're the PLO to Hamas.

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They're a dime storefront for a terrorist movement.

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The Republican party is basically a domestic terrorist

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cell at this point, and they should be

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treated as such.

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There are elements of the GOP that are

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starting to look like the jihadists.

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Not a political party.

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They're a white nationalist movement.

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They're a fascist threat to our nation.

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That's not hyperbolic.

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That's academic.

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Would have once seemed hyperbolic, but it increasingly

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does feel like the Republican party has become

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a death cult.

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And it's all about Donald Trump.

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There is no alternative right now because the

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Republican party project today is a fascist authoritarian

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project.

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Fact is, Republicans in Congress are still in

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the grip of the ultra-MAGA agenda.

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Party of dupes, party of knuckleheads, party of

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weirdos, party of freaks.

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That is a simple, simple message.

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And underneath that, it's the party of nothing.

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It has become an authoritarian embracing cult.

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It is fascist.

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We take an oath to protect and defend

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the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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And sadly, the domestic enemies to our voting

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system and our honor and our Constitution are

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right at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with their allies

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in the Congress of the United States.

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Trump's modern-day Giscopo is scooping folks up

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off the streets.

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They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped

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off to foreign torture dungeons.

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No chance to mount a defense, not even

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a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye.

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Just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into

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those vans.

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The old films of the Gestapo grabbing people

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off the streets of Poland, and you compare

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them to those nondescript thugs who grabbed that

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student, that graduate student.

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It does look like a Gestapo operation.

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Because if we just roll this clock on

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the wall back 75 years, we'd be looking

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at a time in Nazi Germany, where people

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ran around with signs like this new ICE

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sign that says report all foreign invaders to

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ICE.

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With Uncle Sam there holding up the sign.

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This could have been a Gestapo member 75

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years ago.

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Report all Jews.

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Bolts of authoritarian personality in league with autocrats

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and kleptocrats and dictators all over the world.

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They're taking direct aim at our democracy.

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Autocratic-leaning remarks he has made in recent

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weeks and months, such as ones that echo

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Hitler.

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Hitler in 1933 was talking about his designs

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on America.

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And Hitler described you could get Americans to

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give up their own democracy and to be

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ready for a fascist takeover.

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It's a disaster.

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We need extreme measures.

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Now, it's not that all the kids in

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the world are watching MSNBC, but you know

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every single teacher is.

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Because remember the liberal school teacher from Austin

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who we used to hang out with, who

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we don't anymore?

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She watched MSNBC religiously.

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It was her church.

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So this is what's happening.

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Yeah, well that's why they had to, that's

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why Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast who

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owns MSNBC, had to spin it off.

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Yes, he wanted out.

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By the way, I have the Fox, actually

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this might have been the last moment that

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Fox News talked about the trans part of

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this story.

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Breakout.

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A Fox News alert, FBI sources tell Fox

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News Digital that the man charged with assassinating

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Okay, so the FBI sources, FBI sources, who

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do they call?

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Fox Digital.

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Really?

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That's who they call?

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Wouldn't they be calling Hannity?

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No, we're calling, hey boys, let's leak some

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information.

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Let's call Fox Digital, yeah.

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A Fox News alert, FBI sources tell Fox

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News Digital that the man charged with assassinating

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Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner.

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Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson was in

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a romantic relationship with someone transitioning from male

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to female.

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They say that individual is fully cooperating with

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their investigation, claims to have had no idea

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of Robinson's plans, and is not currently accused

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of any criminal activity.

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Oh, thank you very much for that update.

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I want to hear some of the, I

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know you have some anal quips.

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I think I can predict a quote from

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that trans woman when she, he, they, I

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don't know what her pronoun is, nobody told

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me.

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The first thing she said was, you did

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what?

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Okay.

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It's going to ruin that person's life, it's

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going to ruin the family.

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The family of the kid.

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Luna is the person's name.

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Luna.

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I thought it was Twigs.

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Well, no, that's the online, I don't know.

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Who cares?

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Luna Twigs.

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Yeah, Lance S.

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Twigs, also known as Luna.

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And by the way, big mistake in this

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whole thing, sorry to say it, but why

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doesn't Tyler Robinson have a middle name?

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This is not a good, this is not

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a, we're missing a middle name.

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33 motif.

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Yes, you have to have a middle name,

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three, which means three names.

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We got to have the middle name.

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So something's up here.

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You want to just hear some of the

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morning shows since we got them from this

552
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morning?

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This is all the latest.

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Most of my stuff is the analysis clips.

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Which is important.

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I want to play those afterwards.

557
00:19:34,090 --> 00:19:35,450
I want to hear the morning shows.

558
00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:36,630
I'm sure we're gems.

559
00:19:36,730 --> 00:19:37,910
Here's ABC this week.

560
00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:39,430
This morning, the New York Times is reporting

561
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:41,450
that in the hours after Charlie Kirk's murder,

562
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:44,290
his alleged gunman, Tyler Robinson, was messaged in

563
00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:46,950
a group chat by an acquaintance jokingly questioning

564
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:49,910
where he was, suggesting he resembled the man

565
00:19:49,910 --> 00:19:51,110
police were looking for.

566
00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:53,430
According to the Times, Robinson responded that his

567
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:55,910
doppelganger was trying to get me in trouble

568
00:19:55,910 --> 00:19:58,670
while making other jokes about the manhunt, including

569
00:19:58,670 --> 00:20:00,830
saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.

570
00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:03,830
ABC News has not independently verified those messages.

571
00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:05,750
Authorities announced the- By the way, do

572
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:06,970
you hear that insert?

573
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:09,230
Hey, hey guys.

574
00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:12,030
Listen, you just said that.

575
00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:13,970
We need to add a little disclaimer there

576
00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:16,330
that we haven't independently verified what the New

577
00:20:16,330 --> 00:20:17,430
York Times said, please.

578
00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:19,790
Because you never know, it could be bullcrap.

579
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:22,190
Including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk.

580
00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:25,170
ABC News has not independently verified those messages.

581
00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:26,990
Authorities announced- Did you hear the insert?

582
00:20:27,390 --> 00:20:28,370
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:29,050
You could hear it.

584
00:20:29,150 --> 00:20:29,710
It was a flip in.

585
00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:32,790
The arrest of 22-year-old Tyler Robinson

586
00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:33,530
on Friday.

587
00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:34,810
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

588
00:20:35,650 --> 00:20:36,390
We got him.

589
00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:38,950
But until his capture, the suspect had been

590
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:41,430
an unknown man in grainy surveillance images.

591
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:45,050
Images, authorities say, were recognized by the suspect's

592
00:20:45,050 --> 00:20:45,650
own father.

593
00:20:45,890 --> 00:20:48,290
A family member of Tyler Robinson reached out

594
00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:51,290
to a family friend who contacted the Washington

595
00:20:51,290 --> 00:20:54,770
County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had

596
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:56,890
confessed to them or implied that he had

597
00:20:56,890 --> 00:20:58,250
committed the incident.

598
00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:01,010
Authorities tell ABC News hundreds of investigators stitched

599
00:21:01,010 --> 00:21:03,310
the alleged gunman's path from the moment he

600
00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:05,450
drove onto campus at 8.29 a.m.

601
00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:06,030
on Wednesday.

602
00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:08,870
TMZ obtaining this video, appearing to match the

603
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:11,450
description of the shooter, who police say appears

604
00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:13,230
to walk with a stiff right leg.

605
00:21:13,630 --> 00:21:15,550
And that his ability to bend his right

606
00:21:15,550 --> 00:21:17,030
leg appears to be restricted.

607
00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:20,230
Law enforcement sources tell us investigators believe Robinson

608
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:22,750
was hiding his long gun under his clothing.

609
00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:24,890
And at some point, authorities say he changed

610
00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:27,150
into the outfit seen in photos released during

611
00:21:27,150 --> 00:21:29,450
the manhunt and climbed up a campus stairwell

612
00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:31,610
to a roof at about 11.50 a

613
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:33,490
.m. And then he's seen dressed in a

614
00:21:33,490 --> 00:21:36,150
black cap, sunglasses, and a black shirt emblazoned

615
00:21:36,150 --> 00:21:38,030
with an American flag and an eagle.

616
00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:42,170
Yeah, missing everywhere is him reassembling a gun

617
00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:44,150
that was either in his backpack or walking

618
00:21:44,150 --> 00:21:46,870
with a four-foot-long rifle with his

619
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:48,610
legs bent up the stairs.

620
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:54,170
I mean, the FBI showed a picture, apparently

621
00:21:54,170 --> 00:21:56,930
it's an FBI picture, with the scope mounted

622
00:21:56,930 --> 00:22:00,290
in, according to our experts, the wrong spot.

623
00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:05,070
It's just like the whole thing, the 33s,

624
00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:06,390
that got me right away.

625
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:08,790
Yeah, the 33 is a problem.

626
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:12,770
Since TMZ was mentioned in there, I didn't

627
00:22:12,770 --> 00:22:15,050
get any clips of this, but I should

628
00:22:15,050 --> 00:22:15,210
have.

629
00:22:15,310 --> 00:22:17,030
There's a couple out there that are good.

630
00:22:18,670 --> 00:22:20,810
Harvey's, you know, TMZ, I think, is owned

631
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:21,330
by Fox.

632
00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:26,430
And Harvey turned pale white and came out

633
00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:26,930
and did a thing.

634
00:22:27,070 --> 00:22:32,130
Because during the announcement of the death of

635
00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:34,210
Charlie Kirk, There were tears, tears.

636
00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:37,170
The staff, and this has been posted over

637
00:22:37,170 --> 00:22:38,870
and over again, showing the exact timeline.

638
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:42,570
Time codes, I know, the internet sleuths are

639
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:43,370
on the case.

640
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:46,510
I'm telling you, the online sleuths are unbelievable.

641
00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:48,050
So they had the time codes, the things

642
00:22:48,050 --> 00:22:51,230
all synced up, and they obviously were cheering,

643
00:22:51,530 --> 00:22:53,390
because exact same moment that they had made

644
00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:53,990
this announcement.

645
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:56,530
Harvey came on later in the show and

646
00:22:56,530 --> 00:22:58,590
said, though it was because they were watching

647
00:22:58,590 --> 00:22:59,190
the police chase.

648
00:22:59,350 --> 00:23:00,330
Police chase, yeah.

649
00:23:00,330 --> 00:23:01,350
And it was bullcrap.

650
00:23:01,490 --> 00:23:04,490
And he was not, he was shook.

651
00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:07,210
He says, we wouldn't have people working here

652
00:23:07,210 --> 00:23:08,590
that would do that.

653
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:11,910
When in fact, he's like a Trump hater.

654
00:23:12,130 --> 00:23:14,070
And so he's only going to hire other

655
00:23:14,070 --> 00:23:15,710
people of like mind.

656
00:23:15,970 --> 00:23:18,690
And it's just, it's pathetic.

657
00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:32,910
Into position on the roof, then lay down

658
00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:35,850
in a sniper position, about 175 yards from

659
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:36,390
the stage.

660
00:23:36,910 --> 00:23:39,310
One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering

661
00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:39,890
a question.

662
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:42,630
Now listen to the edit on this.

663
00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:46,710
You think Fox didn't want to talk about

664
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:48,370
the trans information?

665
00:23:48,650 --> 00:23:49,970
Listen to how they added this one.

666
00:23:50,050 --> 00:23:52,290
One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering

667
00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:54,050
a question about gun violence.

668
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:55,850
Police say the suspect fired.

669
00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:57,650
Do you know how many mass shooters there

670
00:23:57,650 --> 00:24:00,110
have been in America over the last 10

671
00:24:00,110 --> 00:24:00,370
years?

672
00:24:00,510 --> 00:24:02,350
They're not zoning gang violence.

673
00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:02,850
Great.

674
00:24:03,850 --> 00:24:06,290
They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing.

675
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:07,170
Wow.

676
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:07,990
Pulled it out.

677
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:08,930
Pull it out.

678
00:24:10,170 --> 00:24:13,530
That is deceptive and not news.

679
00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:16,090
This is ABC this week.

680
00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:17,710
From this morning.

681
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:19,590
That is, that is.

682
00:24:20,650 --> 00:24:21,230
Disturbing.

683
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:23,390
It was more than that.

684
00:24:23,490 --> 00:24:27,610
It is disgusting that they can't even present.

685
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:29,290
I don't know.

686
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:31,110
It's annoying.

687
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:35,090
Let's listen to the man of the day.

688
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:37,430
Mike Johnson appearing everywhere.

689
00:24:37,790 --> 00:24:38,310
Don't worry, Mike.

690
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:39,330
Mike's okay though.

691
00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:42,070
The burdens of speakership are always manifold.

692
00:24:42,290 --> 00:24:44,610
You know that previous speakers I've covered know

693
00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:44,950
that.

694
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:47,950
But they feel particularly heavy after the events

695
00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:48,710
of this week.

696
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:50,190
I just want to ask you, Mr. Speaker,

697
00:24:50,250 --> 00:24:50,850
how are you doing?

698
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:52,370
I'm doing okay, Major.

699
00:24:52,450 --> 00:24:53,130
Thanks for asking.

700
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:54,110
No question.

701
00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:55,150
It was a difficult week.

702
00:24:55,450 --> 00:24:56,670
It's so hard for me.

703
00:24:56,850 --> 00:24:58,650
For the country, certainly.

704
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:59,370
He had a throat.

705
00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:00,670
He had a cough tale too.

706
00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:03,270
Let's listen to that again.

707
00:25:03,550 --> 00:25:04,230
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

708
00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:04,890
How are you doing?

709
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:06,430
I'm doing okay, Major.

710
00:25:06,510 --> 00:25:07,190
Thanks for asking.

711
00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:08,170
No question.

712
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:10,270
It was a difficult week for the country.

713
00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:12,810
Certainly, it was felt on Capitol Hill.

714
00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:15,230
There's a mixture of, you know, anger and

715
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:18,130
sadness and fear, frankly, on the part of

716
00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:18,750
a lot of people.

717
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:21,490
It cast a large shadow across the country

718
00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:22,370
and the nation's capital.

719
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:25,010
But what I do know, Major, is that

720
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:27,450
my good friend Charlie would not want any

721
00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:29,570
of us to be consumed by despair.

722
00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:31,570
He would want us to go forward boldly.

723
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:32,430
That was his message.

724
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:33,710
And to do it in love.

725
00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:35,750
And I think that, I hope, is the

726
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:37,470
message that continues in the days ahead.

727
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:39,290
Yeah, this is interesting.

728
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:41,190
So we're getting—well, actually, you'll hear in the

729
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:43,730
next two clips that now all the politicians

730
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:45,350
are very concerned for their safety.

731
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:47,370
Mr. Speaker, you mentioned the word fear a

732
00:25:47,370 --> 00:25:47,950
moment ago.

733
00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:50,390
It is on the lips of members of

734
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:52,830
Congress in ways I've never experienced before.

735
00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:53,910
They are talking openly.

736
00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:55,670
They already have canceled events.

737
00:25:56,370 --> 00:25:58,230
Other members are talking about whether or not

738
00:25:58,230 --> 00:26:01,450
it's proper in their family conversations to seek

739
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:02,050
reelection.

740
00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:04,610
This is—that's a great way to honor Charlie,

741
00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:05,810
to cower.

742
00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:07,470
That's a great way to do it, cower

743
00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:09,010
and not show up in public.

744
00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:11,230
That honors Charlie Kirk's memory.

745
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:11,790
Very good.

746
00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:14,850
How do you feel this particular space of

747
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:17,090
anxiety for your membership, Republican and Democrat?

748
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:18,510
Space of anxiety.

749
00:26:18,770 --> 00:26:19,010
Wow.

750
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:21,410
Yeah, well, I've been talking with a lot

751
00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:23,450
of them over the last few days about

752
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:26,370
that and trying to calm the nerves to

753
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:29,290
assure them that we will make certain that

754
00:26:29,290 --> 00:26:31,530
everyone has the level of security that's necessary,

755
00:26:31,550 --> 00:26:33,810
that the resources will be there for their

756
00:26:33,810 --> 00:26:35,950
residential security and their personal security.

757
00:26:36,330 --> 00:26:39,450
We're evaluating all the options for that.

758
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:42,350
But I think if we all adopt these

759
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:44,990
practices together and we turn down the rhetoric,

760
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:50,330
we cease with this idea that policy disputes

761
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:53,450
are somehow an existential threat to democracy or

762
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:54,050
the republic.

763
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:56,190
We stop calling one another names.

764
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:58,570
I mean, calling people Nazis and fascists is

765
00:26:58,570 --> 00:26:59,110
not helpful.

766
00:26:59,650 --> 00:27:02,310
Look, there are some deranged people in society.

767
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:04,390
And when they see leaders using that kind

768
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:07,410
of language so often now, increasingly, it spurs

769
00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:08,190
them on to action.

770
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:10,650
We have to recognize that reality and address

771
00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:11,370
it appropriately.

772
00:27:11,370 --> 00:27:14,110
And I'm heartened to know, Major, and to

773
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:16,130
see that many of my colleagues on both

774
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:17,710
sides of the aisle are stepping up and

775
00:27:17,710 --> 00:27:19,610
saying that and addressing it.

776
00:27:19,910 --> 00:27:22,390
I think this could be a turning point,

777
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:25,930
frankly, to use Charlie's term for the country.

778
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:26,810
And I hope that's true.

779
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:30,150
You know, I will tell you that if

780
00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:31,770
this is what I think it may be,

781
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:36,070
which is part of a larger operation to

782
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:39,530
sow discord in the United States, to get

783
00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:41,290
people to hate each other even more than

784
00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:44,170
they already did in our country, I would

785
00:27:44,170 --> 00:27:48,490
be looking more towards other very big conservative

786
00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:49,190
voices.

787
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:53,450
If I were any of those big podcasters,

788
00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:55,510
that's who should be careful.

789
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:59,850
Well, that's interesting you say that because Tim

790
00:27:59,850 --> 00:28:01,830
Poole was on Jesse Waters.

791
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:03,190
Yeah, you got a clip?

792
00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:06,450
I had a clip.

793
00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:07,430
Did you have a clip?

794
00:28:07,450 --> 00:28:08,410
I should have got the clip.

795
00:28:08,410 --> 00:28:11,450
I have a lot of clips, but I

796
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:12,830
can't get every clip that...

797
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:13,250
No, no, no.

798
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:14,630
You can just tell us what he said.

799
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:16,170
I, of course, did not see this.

800
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:16,890
So what did he say?

801
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:21,150
He said he has a contingent of bodyguards

802
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:24,190
and he's had them for quite a while.

803
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:26,470
He went on and on about it.

804
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:27,650
I mean, he was actually quite...

805
00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:29,010
I should have recorded it now that I

806
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:31,550
think about it because Tim Poole was quite

807
00:28:31,550 --> 00:28:36,430
erudite in discussing this and it would be

808
00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:37,190
worth recording.

809
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:39,870
But he did mention in the process that,

810
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:43,050
yes, he talked about the security that Kirk

811
00:28:43,050 --> 00:28:43,270
had.

812
00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:45,470
He says he's got the same security because

813
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:48,230
he's under a constant threat, I guess.

814
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:52,150
Does anybody care that much about Tim Poole?

815
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:54,950
I'm thinking bigger than Tim Poole.

816
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:56,030
I don't want to name names.

817
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:57,810
I know, but I'm just saying at the

818
00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:59,390
Tim Poole level, you have this.

819
00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:01,270
I don't know who bigger would be Joe

820
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:01,670
Rogan.

821
00:29:01,810 --> 00:29:02,710
He's the biggest.

822
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:06,010
You know, you've got Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson.

823
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:07,630
You've got Candace Owens.

824
00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:08,630
Yeah, Tucker's up there.

825
00:29:08,790 --> 00:29:10,230
You've got people up there.

826
00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:12,470
You know, if this is what I think

827
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:13,810
it is, we'll get to that much later.

828
00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:15,650
But first of all, we've got to blame

829
00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:16,370
it on something.

830
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:16,930
What?

831
00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:20,310
I'm in that camp.

832
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:22,590
I don't see this as being anything more

833
00:29:22,590 --> 00:29:23,190
than it is.

834
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:23,910
No, that's fine.

835
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:24,490
That's fine.

836
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:28,010
I just have ideas and thoughts.

837
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:29,530
But first, we need to blame it on

838
00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:29,890
something.

839
00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:34,350
This is still CBS face the nation.

840
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:35,990
Going to take a closer look at the

841
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:37,810
problem of political violence in America.

842
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:39,410
And we're joined now, I'm glad to say,

843
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:41,750
by University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape.

844
00:29:41,890 --> 00:29:44,070
He's the founding director of the Chicago Project

845
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:45,530
on Security and Threats.

846
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:47,630
Now, listen to this guy, because his numbers

847
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:48,810
are all over the place.

848
00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:50,750
Professor, it's great to have you with us.

849
00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:51,530
Thanks for joining us.

850
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:53,230
What are the trend lines and what is

851
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:55,230
the key terminology you want my audience to

852
00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:55,630
understand?

853
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:58,550
We are now in a watershed moment, what

854
00:29:58,550 --> 00:30:03,050
I call the era of violent populism in

855
00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:03,670
America.

856
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:08,270
This era is defined first and foremost by

857
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:09,190
two factors.

858
00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:10,670
Trump and Trump.

859
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:14,110
Number one, a rising tide of political violence

860
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:16,070
on both the right and the left.

861
00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:18,630
Our center at the University of Chicago Project

862
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:20,990
on Security and Threats, we have been conducting

863
00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:25,130
highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the

864
00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:27,490
support for political violence among Americans for over

865
00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:28,110
four years.

866
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:28,910
Stop the clip.

867
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:32,030
So who is he to say out of

868
00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:35,070
the blue, highly reliable political survey?

869
00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:35,990
Oh, it gets better.

870
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:37,570
It gets much better in this.

871
00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:38,610
I mean, yeah, immediately.

872
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:40,810
That's to me, it's a red flag for

873
00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:41,850
a guy who's full of shit.

874
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:42,430
Of course.

875
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,910
Our center at the University of Chicago Project

876
00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:48,270
on Security and Threats, we have been conducting

877
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:52,410
highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the

878
00:30:52,410 --> 00:30:54,770
support for political violence among Americans for over

879
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:55,550
four years.

880
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:57,630
We started this in the summer of 2021.

881
00:30:57,630 --> 00:31:02,450
Our most recent survey in May found higher

882
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:05,190
levels of support for political violence on both

883
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:06,730
the right and the left than we have

884
00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:07,330
ever seen.

885
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:08,430
OK, hold on.

886
00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:12,670
He's had this highly reliable information for four

887
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:13,130
years.

888
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:16,810
And now the information shows it's worse than

889
00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:17,790
we've ever seen.

890
00:31:18,890 --> 00:31:22,590
But he wasn't surveying anything before four years

891
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:22,970
ago.

892
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:25,930
No, the evidence is just the opposite, too.

893
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:27,570
I mean, I went through the 60s and

894
00:31:27,570 --> 00:31:32,610
70s where you had you had unbelievable political

895
00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:33,130
violence.

896
00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:34,290
Besides, you know, it's starting.

897
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:36,750
It actually started with the death of Kent,

898
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:39,310
with the assassination of Kennedy, the assassination of

899
00:31:39,310 --> 00:31:43,210
RFK, and then the assassination of Martin Luther

900
00:31:43,210 --> 00:31:45,350
King, who is a high highest order guy

901
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:45,950
you can kill.

902
00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:48,470
There was Huey Newton was killed in Oakland.

903
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:52,530
And there was a bunch of Larry Flint,

904
00:31:52,670 --> 00:31:56,550
the publisher of Hustler magazine, was shot.

905
00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:01,490
And George Wallace was shot in Ronald Reagan.

906
00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:03,290
Ronald Reagan was shot.

907
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:06,630
George Ford, Gerald Ford was shot or shot

908
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:07,510
at twice.

909
00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:09,930
And you ended up with over a thousand

910
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:11,510
bombings in the 70s.

911
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:13,650
And this is what we're seeing now.

912
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:15,530
This stuff that's going on now is worse.

913
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:16,430
Are you kidding me?

914
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:18,470
Well, we can all blame it on one

915
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:19,250
obvious thing.

916
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:22,590
Does your research buttress the point that both

917
00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:25,510
Senator Lankford and Senator Coons made, which is

918
00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:28,570
the Internet is an accelerant and an amplifier?

919
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:31,030
It's an accelerant, but it's not the root

920
00:32:31,030 --> 00:32:31,750
cause.

921
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:35,170
So studying this problem now for five years,

922
00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:38,630
I found that just as around the world,

923
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:43,230
big social change, it drives political violence.

924
00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:45,130
We see this in other countries around the

925
00:32:45,130 --> 00:32:45,430
world.

926
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:48,150
But the details of the change vary.

927
00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:51,590
We are now moving for the first time

928
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:53,670
in our country's 250 year history.

929
00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:55,270
OK, what are we moving towards?

930
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:55,790
Come on.

931
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:57,250
We've got to blame it on something.

932
00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:58,270
What can we blame it on?

933
00:32:59,330 --> 00:33:01,710
What are we moving toward in our 250

934
00:33:01,710 --> 00:33:02,430
year history?

935
00:33:02,730 --> 00:33:04,690
First time in 250 year history.

936
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:08,790
From my perspective, we're moving toward nothing different.

937
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:11,470
But I could see that somebody who's a

938
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:14,870
lunatic that's been studying this four years, as

939
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:16,830
you said earlier, then he suddenly says five

940
00:33:16,830 --> 00:33:22,370
years, which I find interesting contradiction, probably fascism.

941
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:24,450
No, much simpler.

942
00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:25,910
Come on.

943
00:33:26,170 --> 00:33:26,690
Simpler.

944
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:27,350
Here we go.

945
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:28,110
Populism.

946
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:29,790
No, no, no.

947
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:30,350
Here we go.

948
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:33,330
From a white majority democracy to a white

949
00:33:33,330 --> 00:33:34,850
minority democracy.

950
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:36,010
It's racism.

951
00:33:36,550 --> 00:33:39,950
In 1990, we were 76% non-Hispanic

952
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:40,210
white.

953
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:43,670
Today, we're 57% non-Hispanic white.

954
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:46,150
It will be another 10 years, maybe 15,

955
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:49,310
if we deport a lot of those undocumented

956
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:52,530
illegal immigrants before we make the transition to

957
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:54,730
a truly white minority democracy.

958
00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:58,550
Well, this generational change has happened, it started

959
00:33:58,550 --> 00:34:00,350
about 10 years ago with a real tipping

960
00:34:00,350 --> 00:34:03,290
point generation and corresponds with the rise of

961
00:34:03,290 --> 00:34:03,890
Donald Trump.

962
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:07,170
Why his issue of immigration is meteoric.

963
00:34:07,389 --> 00:34:11,230
Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people

964
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:14,449
crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers

965
00:34:14,449 --> 00:34:16,929
of people because there are people on the

966
00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:18,989
right who want to stop or reverse this

967
00:34:18,989 --> 00:34:21,550
and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump

968
00:34:21,550 --> 00:34:22,170
on the left.

969
00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:23,510
This guy is an agent.

970
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:25,469
Parts of the left who want to keep

971
00:34:25,469 --> 00:34:26,170
this going.

972
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:28,730
This is really the taproot.

973
00:34:28,929 --> 00:34:31,250
And that's why we need to expect this

974
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:33,330
left to its own devices will get worse

975
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:34,790
and be with us for 10 years.

976
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:38,409
I've never, the term taproot is funny.

977
00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:39,469
It's a, it was a.

978
00:34:39,469 --> 00:34:40,469
No, that's a debt.

979
00:34:40,870 --> 00:34:42,949
That's not a term that's used in academia.

980
00:34:43,350 --> 00:34:45,949
That is a term that's used someplace else.

981
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:48,929
That's a milieu term that's used some places.

982
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:50,550
I don't know where we can probably find

983
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:50,710
it.

984
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:52,650
You know, if we do enough research, it

985
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:54,150
could be an Intel term.

986
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:54,790
We don't know.

987
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:57,410
Well, the only other place I've ever heard

988
00:34:57,410 --> 00:35:01,830
taproot is it was an addition to Bitcoin.

989
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:07,990
Um, about seven years ago that enabled the

990
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:08,690
lightning network.

991
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:10,290
And it was called taproot.

992
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:13,210
Uh, when we asked the computer, should we

993
00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:13,870
ask the computer?

994
00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:17,230
Oh, I think she needs to.

995
00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:17,610
Yes.

996
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:19,710
I think this is a great addition to

997
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:20,190
the show.

998
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:23,070
Except for the fact that there's a, there's

999
00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:23,610
a lag.

1000
00:35:23,950 --> 00:35:25,390
Well, I'm going to try the way this

1001
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:26,230
lag is not as bad.

1002
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:27,650
That old lag you used to have with

1003
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:28,450
that other device.

1004
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:30,710
Well, that was when I was still using,

1005
00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:31,090
uh.

1006
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:33,150
That was, that was terrible.

1007
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:34,210
Okay.

1008
00:35:35,010 --> 00:35:36,010
Uh, error.

1009
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:39,850
What is, what is the origin of the

1010
00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:41,030
term taproot?

1011
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:45,350
It comes from botany, describing a plant's main

1012
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:47,930
root that digs deep like a taproot, while

1013
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:49,250
others branch out shallowly.

1014
00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:52,410
First used in the 17th century, think tap

1015
00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:54,730
as in a spout or peg, implying something

1016
00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:56,190
central and piercing down.

1017
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:58,770
Not related to modern taps like faucets though.

1018
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:00,950
So it's a botanist.

1019
00:36:01,090 --> 00:36:03,510
That's did suck.

1020
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:06,950
I think it's the question was asked poorly,

1021
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:07,570
by the way.

1022
00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:10,310
So JC was at dinner recently and he,

1023
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:12,690
who was very deeply involved in all this.

1024
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:14,690
He had, he had told me the three,

1025
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:17,330
there's three huge flaws that everybody in the

1026
00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:18,530
business knows about AI.

1027
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:21,010
And one of them, which I thought was

1028
00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:23,070
the, I don't remember the other two.

1029
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:25,030
I'll get them and write them up.

1030
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:28,710
But, but the one of them that it

1031
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:30,630
was the most fascinating to me is that

1032
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:34,710
they can't learn from the questions or the

1033
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:36,210
corrections you make to them.

1034
00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:37,270
Oh, no, of course not.

1035
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:38,550
That wouldn't imply memory.

1036
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:40,330
They have their, their corpus and they use

1037
00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:40,610
that.

1038
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:42,530
And you say, no, no, that's not true.

1039
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:45,390
You know, what, what you should know is

1040
00:36:45,390 --> 00:36:47,690
that I'm actually, to tell him, say about

1041
00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:50,390
yourself, I'm actually the inventor of podcast.

1042
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:50,930
Oh yes.

1043
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:51,250
Okay.

1044
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:51,730
You are.

1045
00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:53,650
They'll say that back to you, but then

1046
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:55,110
it won't go back into the corpus.

1047
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:57,130
If they don't learn that they'll have the

1048
00:36:57,130 --> 00:36:58,710
same bogus answers later.

1049
00:36:58,710 --> 00:37:00,610
It can't go into the corpus because that

1050
00:37:00,610 --> 00:37:02,270
has to translate into tokens.

1051
00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:05,290
And that costs a lot of compute, compute

1052
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:07,450
way too much money, massive compute.

1053
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:10,810
So there's no interaction whatsoever in a real

1054
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:11,330
sense.

1055
00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:13,210
So tap roots though.

1056
00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:16,550
Anyway, well, maybe one of our, maybe a

1057
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:17,030
spook term.

1058
00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:18,910
Oh, hold on.

1059
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:19,230
Hold on.

1060
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:20,210
You can ask the question.

1061
00:37:20,290 --> 00:37:20,570
Hold on.

1062
00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:20,850
Ready?

1063
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:21,270
Go.

1064
00:37:22,650 --> 00:37:26,470
What is the use of the term tap

1065
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:29,770
root in the intelligence community or other social

1066
00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:30,550
networks?

1067
00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:37,920
Oh, wow.

1068
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:39,940
Wow.

1069
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:40,760
We got nothing.

1070
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,700
It wouldn't answer it.

1071
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:43,800
Okay.

1072
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,860
That that's odd.

1073
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,320
I don't know what to say.

1074
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,200
You want to try it again?

1075
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:55,730
Yeah, I'll try it with, I'll reword it

1076
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:56,130
a little bit.

1077
00:37:58,340 --> 00:38:02,060
How is the word or phrase tap root

1078
00:38:02,060 --> 00:38:05,300
used in the intelligence community or other social

1079
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:05,940
networks?

1080
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,220
It's literally not registering you, John.

1081
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Well, maybe it's not being fed to her

1082
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:12,660
properly.

1083
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,320
Well, let me see.

1084
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,980
How is the term tap root used in

1085
00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:18,460
intelligence or other networks?

1086
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,620
Tap root pops up in intelligence and network

1087
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:24,500
context too.

1088
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,740
Borrowing from the plant idea, a hidden central

1089
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:29,200
root feeding everything else.

1090
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:32,060
In cyber ops, it's slang for a covert

1091
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:35,140
command hub in espionage nets, like a deep

1092
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:38,240
undetected node coordinating spies or malware.

1093
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:41,580
Some sources link it to blockchain privacy upgrades

1094
00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:42,280
on Bitcoin.

1095
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,240
Wow.

1096
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:44,700
Okay.

1097
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Well, that's interesting.

1098
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:46,760
Yeah.

1099
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:48,740
So it's, so it is used in Intel

1100
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:50,460
and that guy, and it's not, I know

1101
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:51,660
it's not used in academia.

1102
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:55,800
So that guy is something else.

1103
00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:57,320
He's something else.

1104
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:57,860
All right.

1105
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,200
Well, you spotted it.

1106
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,200
Yeah.

1107
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,140
Tap root.

1108
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,500
It's like, cause that's, I've heard it in

1109
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:03,600
the context of Bitcoin.

1110
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:03,940
Okay.

1111
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,520
So now we have to listen to what

1112
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,920
exactly that guy said again.

1113
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:08,660
Hold on a second.

1114
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,040
Uh, it was somewhere here.

1115
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Let's listen.

1116
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:14,860
And that's one of the reasons why I

1117
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,480
ran a and may found higher levels of

1118
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,740
support for political violence on both the right

1119
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:21,520
and the left than we have ever seen.

1120
00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:23,560
And that's one of the reasons why I

1121
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,300
rang the alarm bell with that big op

1122
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,100
-ed in the New York national surveys on

1123
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,660
political violence, the support for political violence among

1124
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:32,320
Americans for over four years.

1125
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:34,220
Uh, we started this in the summer of

1126
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:35,220
2021.

1127
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:35,940
No, sorry.

1128
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:36,660
It's number this.

1129
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:38,200
This is the clip now.

1130
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,280
And now I want to know.

1131
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,440
You know, change has happened absurd about 10

1132
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,720
years ago where the real tipping point generation

1133
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,340
and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump.

1134
00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:49,580
Why his issue of immigration is meteoric.

1135
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,620
Why it's morphed from immigration, meaning stop people

1136
00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:56,880
crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers

1137
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,340
of people because there are people on the

1138
00:39:59,340 --> 00:40:01,420
right who want to stop or reverse this.

1139
00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:03,960
And also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump

1140
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,460
on the left on parts of the left

1141
00:40:05,460 --> 00:40:07,200
who want to keep this going.

1142
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,800
This is really the tap root.

1143
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:12,280
And that's why we need to expect this

1144
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,460
left to its own devices.

1145
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,680
What do you make of that then in

1146
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,420
that context?

1147
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:18,220
I, I don't know.

1148
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:19,560
It's just almost like code.

1149
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:20,040
Yeah.

1150
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,120
He's using it casually, which is, which is,

1151
00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:24,180
that's the weird thing.

1152
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:24,400
Yeah.

1153
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,780
He's, yeah, that's because it's in his milieu.

1154
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,260
It's a casual word that actually means a

1155
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:30,140
lot to that group.

1156
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,320
Well, maybe we don't know.

1157
00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:32,660
We're not in that group, so we don't

1158
00:40:32,660 --> 00:40:33,360
know what it means.

1159
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,020
He could just be a botanist for all

1160
00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:36,260
we know in his spare time.

1161
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,360
He's not a botanist.

1162
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:37,920
He's gardening.

1163
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,320
He's not a botanist.

1164
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:41,120
And he is.

1165
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:46,820
And he is intelligence of whatever, whoever with.

1166
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,500
I mean, there's so many now who can

1167
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:50,640
tell, but it's, it's.

1168
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:51,240
How about this?

1169
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,780
That's a globalist opinion that needs to be

1170
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:55,640
rooted out of our intelligence community.

1171
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,840
There you go.

1172
00:40:57,020 --> 00:40:57,540
All of them.

1173
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,440
There you go.

1174
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,180
So I want to get to, I have

1175
00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:02,280
two more and then we'll get to your,

1176
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,620
your analysis clips.

1177
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,360
This was a cute idea.

1178
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,760
I appreciated it.

1179
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:10,340
Everyone was tagging me, sharing this.

1180
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,120
I'm like, we need to just explain once

1181
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,000
again what this particular act was and how

1182
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,120
this is a misunderstanding of it to, to

1183
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,900
some degree.

1184
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:24,740
President Trump, as a supporter who voted for

1185
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:27,520
you three times, I am hoping and praying

1186
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,440
that you will revisit what Barack Obama and

1187
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,100
Joe Biden got rid of back in 2013,

1188
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,220
which is the Smith-Mundt Act, which held

1189
00:41:34,220 --> 00:41:36,380
news corporations accountable for lying to the American

1190
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:38,780
people and spreading propaganda instead of truth.

1191
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:39,240
Okay.

1192
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:40,320
That's the problem.

1193
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
The Smith-Mundt Act did not hold news

1194
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,420
organizations accountable.

1195
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,380
I saw this too.

1196
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:50,600
The Smith-Mundt Act was specifically forbidding the

1197
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,540
American government from propagandizing its own people.

1198
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,040
And the biggest perpetrator of this was the

1199
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Voice of America group, the Broadcast Board of

1200
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,840
Governors, i.e. Tucker Carlson's dad's position back

1201
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,380
in the day.

1202
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,960
And the, it got put in, the, the

1203
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,200
act was reformed, i.e. struck as a

1204
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,460
part of the National Defense Authorization Act because

1205
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:23,120
we could no longer, the, the way the,

1206
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,000
the, the wording was is we can no

1207
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,800
longer propagandize the rest of the world if

1208
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,700
we're using the internet because invariably we're going

1209
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:32,700
to be propagandizing Americans.

1210
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,300
Now, that doesn't, in no way to the

1211
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,800
ever, can it ever, should it ever stop

1212
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,080
news organizations from doing whatever they want to

1213
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,320
do, right?

1214
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,540
On the sideline of that, I will say

1215
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:54,920
that looking at Operation Mockingbird, obviously, if you

1216
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,140
have government agents functioning inside your organization, which

1217
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:02,920
is where all this came from, ultimately, because

1218
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,060
they were writing the stories, they were for

1219
00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:07,700
CBS News, they were writing every, they were

1220
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:09,880
writing the stories for Newsweek, etc.

1221
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:11,620
I think it was Newsweek.

1222
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,860
So, obviously, when you let on a whole

1223
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:20,440
bunch of these ex-agents, ex-intelligence officer,

1224
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,040
ex, you know, generals, when you let them

1225
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,780
on the air and let them do their

1226
00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:28,220
thing, obviously that's propaganda, but it's not really

1227
00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:29,260
the news network.

1228
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:33,400
So, you know, and it's, honestly, it's very

1229
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,760
un-American and unconstitutional for people to be

1230
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,700
calling to hold the news agencies to account.

1231
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,160
That's bullcrap.

1232
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:46,900
And this whole thing was, this little pitch

1233
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:49,680
by this girl, went on and on and

1234
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,760
on about it, completely misleading, and it was

1235
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,240
reposted by Trump himself, or at least whoever

1236
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:55,340
does it.

1237
00:43:55,340 --> 00:43:57,680
Well, of course, it's what you do, it's

1238
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:57,980
a troll.

1239
00:43:57,980 --> 00:44:01,820
But it is a bad, it's a misdirection,

1240
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,740
if ever there was.

1241
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:03,660
It's bullcrap.

1242
00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:03,960
Yeah.

1243
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,540
So, because people got all excited.

1244
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:08,600
Yeah, man, you guys talked about Smith-Munn,

1245
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,500
yeah, this is what he's talking about, then

1246
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:11,020
bring it back.

1247
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,060
But that's, you can't.

1248
00:44:12,180 --> 00:44:14,400
I know, it just kills me that it's

1249
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:14,940
so easy.

1250
00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:17,420
But she does this, she's almost like a

1251
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:17,800
pro.

1252
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,120
She's non-descript, you know, kind of non

1253
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,420
-descript, you know, plain Jane.

1254
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:29,580
And she's presenting it in a very reasonable

1255
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:31,480
fashion, and it's just BS.

1256
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,900
Yeah, I'll come back after your analysis clips

1257
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,080
with some Chris Coons stuff.

1258
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,920
But I just could not resist because they

1259
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,800
did an emergency pod.

1260
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:44,320
We have to do an emergency pod right

1261
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:44,740
away.

1262
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:47,000
Emergency pod, everybody.

1263
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:50,140
Here we go with the liberal intellectual elites

1264
00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:51,000
of Pivot.

1265
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,220
Officials say Robinson made incriminating statements to relatives

1266
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:57,200
and sent discord messages about retrieving a rifle

1267
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,540
from a drop point.

1268
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,120
Investigators also say they found messages on the

1269
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,320
ammunition, the bullets.

1270
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,640
Who said investigators?

1271
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,660
No, you just heard sources, Kara Swisher, great

1272
00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:10,040
journalist that you claim to be.

1273
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,200
From a drop point.

1274
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,060
Investigators also say they found- No investigator

1275
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:15,200
has said anything.

1276
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,440
Great journalist that you are.

1277
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,400
A rifle from a drop point.

1278
00:45:19,860 --> 00:45:24,000
Investigators also say they found messages on the

1279
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,120
ammunition, the bullets, including anti-fascist slogans and

1280
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,720
references to video games and online memes and

1281
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,160
also an anti-gay remark.

1282
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,780
Robinson is a registered voter in Utah but

1283
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:36,120
doesn't have a party affiliation.

1284
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:41,860
His family seems to be Republican, Christian, gun

1285
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:44,640
-oriented, as many people in Utah are.

1286
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:45,740
Are you gun-oriented?

1287
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:47,720
What, they own a gun shop?

1288
00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:49,460
No, what's a new type of gender?

1289
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:50,800
I'm gun-oriented.

1290
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,740
Scott, what are your initial thoughts when you

1291
00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:54,960
heard about this suspect?

1292
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:57,620
Well, my initial thoughts are how disappointed Representative

1293
00:45:57,620 --> 00:46:00,380
Mace, President Trump, and Jesse Watters might be

1294
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:03,180
that it's not a transgender woman with blue

1295
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:05,220
hair working on immigration for AOC.

1296
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,520
That was your first thought, hmm.

1297
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,000
Exactly.

1298
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:11,660
They have all promised us in exchange for

1299
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:13,440
this needless death that they were going to

1300
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,220
declare war.

1301
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:15,920
And so my question is, are they going

1302
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,260
to declare war on young white heterosexuals?

1303
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:20,740
Has anyone, did Jesse Watters declare war?

1304
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,200
He just declared war.

1305
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,740
Well, they said- In fact, the response,

1306
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,420
I think, is pretty well put by the

1307
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:30,080
guy who was the governor of Utah.

1308
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,220
Everyone's calm.

1309
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,420
It's not like what happened with George Floyd.

1310
00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,920
No, no, they're going to declare war.

1311
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,280
All promised us that in exchange for this

1312
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,700
needless death that they were going to declare

1313
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:41,240
war.

1314
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:42,940
And so my question is, are they going

1315
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:45,900
to declare war on young white heterosexual men

1316
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,300
who come from Mormon families who traditionally have

1317
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:49,800
voted Republican or gun owners?

1318
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,660
So the notion somehow that they are trying

1319
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:54,440
to pin this on, quote unquote, the radical

1320
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,120
left is just so insane.

1321
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,800
It's eminently clear this kid was online, deeply

1322
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,320
and unfortunately online.

1323
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,540
Deeply online.

1324
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,320
I would say.

1325
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,620
There are two obvious common sense solutions that

1326
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:14,540
unfortunately cost a lot of money or diminish

1327
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:16,460
the shareholder value of key companies that are

1328
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:18,680
driving our entire economy and get in the

1329
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,360
way of the political narrative of special interest

1330
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,340
groups in charge right now.

1331
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,720
The first and most obvious solution is that

1332
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,560
Australia and the UK just don't have cultures

1333
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,540
that much different than us.

1334
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,820
The last time they had a mass shooting,

1335
00:47:28,140 --> 00:47:30,140
they put in place sensible gun control.

1336
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:30,820
What do you know?

1337
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,620
No mass shootings.

1338
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,760
Since Charlie Kirk.

1339
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:33,960
You know what's amazing?

1340
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:37,860
Somehow Scott Galloway, who lives in the in

1341
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:41,400
London currently and clearly knows what's going on

1342
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:41,900
in Australia.

1343
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:45,860
He doesn't see the knives, the machetes, the

1344
00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:47,000
zombie knives.

1345
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,800
Are you kidding me now?

1346
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,500
Did you see the the girl who was

1347
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:52,720
slaughtered on the train?

1348
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:53,420
Was that a gun?

1349
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:54,880
No.

1350
00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:55,880
Okay.

1351
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:56,640
Mass shootings.

1352
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:57,800
Maybe that's what he's looking at.

1353
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,460
Mass shootings was murdered.

1354
00:47:59,580 --> 00:48:01,260
More people have been shot and killed in

1355
00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:02,960
the US and will be shot and killed

1356
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,540
in the UK over the next year.

1357
00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:06,800
The UK will lose 30 people.

1358
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,080
He says we shot and killed.

1359
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,880
Are you shooting and killing people over there,

1360
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:10,100
Scott?

1361
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,860
Charlie Kirk was murdered.

1362
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,680
More people have been shot and killed in

1363
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,380
the US and will be shot and killed

1364
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:16,920
in the UK over the next year.

1365
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,540
The UK will lose 30 people to gun

1366
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:20,820
violence in the next 12 months.

1367
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:22,780
We lose 120 people a day.

1368
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:23,300
That's a lot.

1369
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:27,620
If you want to take down political violence

1370
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:30,020
and all gun violence, you just have to

1371
00:48:30,020 --> 00:48:31,060
have sensible gun reform.

1372
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:31,520
Okay.

1373
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:35,480
Yeah, that's it.

1374
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:36,520
That will do it.

1375
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:36,960
Sensible.

1376
00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:39,020
Sensible gun reform is new.

1377
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:39,480
Sensible.

1378
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:40,760
Yeah.

1379
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,260
All right.

1380
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:42,240
That's probably a new one.

1381
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,480
They're going to you're going to hear it

1382
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:43,840
again.

1383
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Sensible gun control.

1384
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:46,120
Yeah, we'll put it in the book.

1385
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:46,780
All right.

1386
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,680
You got some analysis.

1387
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,820
Well, first, let's start with just the NPR

1388
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:50,640
overview clip.

1389
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,140
This is Kirk killer NPR.

1390
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:53,780
Okay.

1391
00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:56,600
The 22 year old man accused of killing

1392
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,060
Charlie Kirk is being held without bail in

1393
00:48:59,060 --> 00:48:59,380
Utah.

1394
00:48:59,380 --> 00:49:02,100
And as Steve Futterman reports, Kirk's widow made

1395
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,840
her first public comments hours after escorting his

1396
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,700
body home to Arizona from Utah.

1397
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,780
Erica Kirk blamed what she called evildoers for

1398
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:10,920
the death of her husband.

1399
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,900
The movement my husband built will not die.

1400
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:15,300
It won't.

1401
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,200
I refuse to let that happen.

1402
00:49:18,380 --> 00:49:21,160
Since Tuesday's killing, there have been vitriolic debates

1403
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,840
in public and on social media between supporters

1404
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,440
and opponents of Charlie Kirk.

1405
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,660
The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox Friday, urged

1406
00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:31,080
people to take a break from social media.

1407
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:33,660
The tone, he said, must calm down.

1408
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:34,460
This is our moment.

1409
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:37,780
Do we escalate or do we find an

1410
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:38,180
off ramp?

1411
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,340
It's a choice.

1412
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:41,920
Investigators are still trying to determine if some

1413
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,020
specific thing triggered Tyler Robinson.

1414
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,680
He will be formally charged next week.

1415
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,480
All right.

1416
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:49,600
He will be charged.

1417
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:52,140
Okay, so now I've got two series here.

1418
00:49:52,140 --> 00:49:54,160
The one is Robinson, the killer.

1419
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,840
And this, I believe, is from NPR.

1420
00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:58,860
And this you start with Robinson, the killer

1421
00:49:58,860 --> 00:49:59,740
analysis.

1422
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,980
NPR man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is

1423
00:50:02,980 --> 00:50:05,260
being held without bail at a Utah jail

1424
00:50:05,260 --> 00:50:05,620
today.

1425
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:08,680
Twenty two year old Tyler Robinson allegedly fired

1426
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,000
the single shot from a high powered rifle

1427
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,200
that on Wednesday killed the conservative activists and

1428
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,700
media personality known for his appeal to young

1429
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:17,060
people.

1430
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:19,880
Police arrested Robinson Thursday night.

1431
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Steve Futterman joins us from outside the Utah

1432
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,000
County Jail in Spring Fork, Utah.

1433
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:24,940
Hi, Steve.

1434
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:26,100
Hi there, Scott.

1435
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,460
So Robinson is being held where you are

1436
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:28,760
now.

1437
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,280
Officials said yesterday they don't believe anyone else

1438
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,100
was involved.

1439
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,360
Is that still the case?

1440
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:34,220
Yeah.

1441
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:34,560
Yes.

1442
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,520
However, like any investigation, authorities want to go

1443
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,500
through things like Robinson's cell phone, any computers

1444
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:42,240
he used, and they want to speak with

1445
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,140
those who knew him.

1446
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,300
Now, yesterday, officials said that Robinson had expressed

1447
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:48,860
negative views about Charlie Kirk and one of

1448
00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:51,540
those unused bullet casings had the words, hey,

1449
00:50:51,660 --> 00:50:53,740
fascist catch written on it.

1450
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,980
But if the motive was political, like it

1451
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:58,400
appears to be to some officials want to

1452
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,660
know if there was something that pushed Robinson

1453
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:01,580
over the edge.

1454
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:04,420
Last night we heard from Charlie Kirk's widow.

1455
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:05,320
Tell us about that.

1456
00:51:05,820 --> 00:51:06,500
Yeah, that's right.

1457
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:08,960
Erica Kirk spoke on a live stream for

1458
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,220
around 15 minutes.

1459
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,780
She spoke from Phoenix, from the same studio

1460
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:15,220
that Kirk often used for his podcasts.

1461
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:17,000
Now, at times, her voice cracked.

1462
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,320
She dabbed her eyes on several occasions.

1463
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:21,640
But her main message seemed to be that

1464
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,680
Charlie Kirk's movement will continue.

1465
00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:26,580
And Erica Kirk blamed what she called evil

1466
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:28,600
doers for the death of her husband.

1467
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,600
And as police try to figure out Tyler

1468
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,300
Robinson's motivations, people who knew him, people in

1469
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,440
his hometown are taking this all in.

1470
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,560
What are we hearing from them?

1471
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:37,760
Yeah, absolutely.

1472
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:40,020
He lived with his parents in the small

1473
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:43,020
southwest Utah town of Washington with a population

1474
00:51:43,020 --> 00:51:44,660
of around 30,000.

1475
00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:46,360
It's not far from the city of St.

1476
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:46,760
George.

1477
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:48,580
We have not heard, at least at this

1478
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:51,020
point, any neighbors describe him as odd or

1479
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:51,800
acting strange.

1480
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,520
People who knew him have told reporters Robinson

1481
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,320
wasn't necessarily part of the cool kids in

1482
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,540
high school, but he was well liked and

1483
00:51:59,540 --> 00:52:00,320
a good student.

1484
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,700
OK, a couple of things.

1485
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,760
One, now he lives with his parents, according

1486
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,460
to NPR.

1487
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:08,760
So that's it.

1488
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,200
And also that there's never been a disparaging

1489
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,060
comment, which we heard plenty of.

1490
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,180
Yes.

1491
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,360
And the second one, just on a sidetrack,

1492
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,040
I watched Erica's live stream.

1493
00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:24,660
I think that if she can, you know,

1494
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:26,900
how many times have we seen it where

1495
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:29,480
you have a big movement and the leader

1496
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,540
gets taken out and the movement dies?

1497
00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:33,940
And of course, I saw that in the

1498
00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:37,520
Netherlands with Pim Fortuyn when his party won

1499
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,320
posthumously as he was assassinated two weeks before

1500
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,940
the election in Holland, in Holland of all

1501
00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:43,360
places.

1502
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,780
And of course, the movement became just, you

1503
00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:48,380
know, without him, it fell apart.

1504
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,140
If Erica steps up, I think that I

1505
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:53,160
think Turning Point USA actually has a chance

1506
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:53,700
of continuing.

1507
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:56,380
She's she's got something there.

1508
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,560
She can really do this.

1509
00:52:57,660 --> 00:52:57,900
Maybe.

1510
00:52:58,020 --> 00:53:01,440
But I think your other example, which is

1511
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,700
more common, the thing just kind of slowly

1512
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:08,400
deteriorates because when you have a charismatic leader

1513
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,120
that is not only charismatic, but is a

1514
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,000
organizational genius in my, at least that's the

1515
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,700
way I see it.

1516
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,640
It's pretty tough.

1517
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,000
And the problem with with Charlie Kirk is

1518
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,100
not what he was saying.

1519
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,220
The problem was people were listening.

1520
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,560
That's the problem.

1521
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,600
And to get people to listen to someone

1522
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,600
the way they listen to Charlie Kirk, that's

1523
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:31,960
tough.

1524
00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:32,940
That's going to be tough.

1525
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:35,460
Yes, that charisma is a big piece of

1526
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:35,600
it.

1527
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:38,340
Melissa Tate, a neighbor of the Robinson family,

1528
00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:41,920
told our colleagues at member station, KUER, that

1529
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,440
she worries events like this are becoming more

1530
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,380
and more normal.

1531
00:53:45,580 --> 00:53:50,220
This is everywhere, every community, every town, every

1532
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:50,820
state.

1533
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:55,780
It's going to be everybody's neighbor, everybody's classmate.

1534
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:58,700
It's not at all unusual anymore.

1535
00:53:59,180 --> 00:54:01,340
And of course, it was Robinson's father who

1536
00:54:01,340 --> 00:54:03,840
initially confronted his son, telling him that he

1537
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,800
thought his son was the one being shown

1538
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,740
in pictures released by police.

1539
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:10,000
Now on the Utah Valley University.

1540
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,940
Do we even know that, by the way?

1541
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:13,240
That still is not.

1542
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,680
I mean, I've seen nothing official about this.

1543
00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:17,180
And I haven't heard any comments.

1544
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:20,540
But if you recall, the early moments was

1545
00:54:20,540 --> 00:54:21,540
like a minister.

1546
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:22,720
A minister had.

1547
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,920
Although it was a friend of his.

1548
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:28,760
He was one of his buddies that talked

1549
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,080
to the minister who then talked to him.

1550
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,180
And then he was going to kill himself.

1551
00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:34,840
And the minister talked him out of it

1552
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,240
and said, you got to turn yourself in.

1553
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,860
Then now somehow that completely disappeared from the

1554
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:40,700
narrative completely.

1555
00:54:41,140 --> 00:54:41,240
Yep.

1556
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,060
Shown in pictures.

1557
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:42,900
To the dad.

1558
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:43,380
Yep.

1559
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:44,780
Released by police.

1560
00:54:45,180 --> 00:54:47,880
Now on the Utah Valley University campus where

1561
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,280
Kirk was killed, there's a sense of relief

1562
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,840
today that someone has been arrested.

1563
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:55,000
But Raymond Lopez, a nursing student, says there

1564
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,440
are still plenty of concerns.

1565
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,140
My and a lot of our peers, our

1566
00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:01,420
biggest fear is retaliation or something happening again.

1567
00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:03,880
Class has been pushed off till Wednesday.

1568
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:07,020
I will say that I did sign the

1569
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:08,720
petition for him not to come because I

1570
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:09,920
thought it was going to incite violence.

1571
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Sadly, I think that is what happened.

1572
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:15,200
You know, I just had another thought because

1573
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,020
I got tons of thoughts going through my

1574
00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:18,760
head about this ever since the 33.

1575
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:19,520
I'm like, OK.

1576
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,760
How many times have we seen the FBI

1577
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:29,760
itself radicalize someone online for a year, two

1578
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,760
years hyping them up, getting them ready, getting

1579
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,620
them bomb materials, et cetera?

1580
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,860
Perhaps just on an off chance.

1581
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:40,100
What if, you know, let's hype this kid

1582
00:55:40,100 --> 00:55:40,220
out?

1583
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:41,480
He'll never he'll never hit.

1584
00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:43,220
He'll never with that rifle.

1585
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:44,460
He'll never hit the mark.

1586
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,620
It'll just be a warning shot.

1587
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:49,380
And that could also funny because there was

1588
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:53,700
some guy on one of the shows that

1589
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:55,840
said this because there was an argument going

1590
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,860
on between these people.

1591
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,960
So there's a professional hit, which we kind

1592
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,400
of thought it was a professional hit.

1593
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,460
And the other guy says there's no chance

1594
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:04,420
it was a professional hit.

1595
00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:06,260
That guy was just a lucky shot.

1596
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,780
Well, show me the forensics.

1597
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:11,100
Show me the cartridges with all these etchings

1598
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:11,540
on them.

1599
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:12,720
Show us anything.

1600
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,340
One woman that was an ex Intel person,

1601
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,360
she says what's bothering her is they have

1602
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:18,760
yet.

1603
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:20,820
Did they ever find the bullet that hit

1604
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:21,200
Kirk?

1605
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,180
She says no one's ever discussed the bullet.

1606
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:26,100
Where is it?

1607
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:28,000
It's a mess.

1608
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,320
If this was it sounds like a typical

1609
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,620
botched FBI op.

1610
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:35,560
To be honest, this is like, oh, we

1611
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,840
left too many loose ends.

1612
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:37,600
I don't know.

1613
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:39,700
Well, there's a lot of loose ends.

1614
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:41,160
There's a lot of loose ends on this

1615
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:41,360
one.

1616
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:44,040
That's why I wonder if this guy's going

1617
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,020
to live through this process.

1618
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:47,820
Well, he's in this and they already dropped

1619
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:48,260
the bomb.

1620
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,620
You know, again, I'm going to bring it

1621
00:56:49,620 --> 00:56:50,640
back to pre programming.

1622
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:54,120
In the early reporting that said that the

1623
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,700
minister had to come in because the kid

1624
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:56,780
wanted to kill himself.

1625
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,000
Ah, yeah, you're right.

1626
00:56:59,380 --> 00:57:01,140
Well, he's in a special holding cell where

1627
00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:02,100
you can't kill himself.

1628
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,380
You know, yeah, right.

1629
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:04,440
He's got cameras.

1630
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,200
No worries.

1631
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:06,880
No worries.

1632
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,060
No one can get in or out without

1633
00:57:08,060 --> 00:57:08,820
us seeing it.

1634
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,220
No worries.

1635
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:13,920
It would be it would be a tidy

1636
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,440
way to end this whole thing.

1637
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:19,280
It would definitely make it less messy.

1638
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:19,700
Yeah.

1639
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:22,460
I think there's a third clip here.

1640
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:23,660
So is it fair to say that now

1641
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:26,280
at the Utah University campus, there's a growing

1642
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,280
memorial with flowers and the next event we're

1643
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,360
waiting for is Tyler Robinson to be formally

1644
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:31,780
charged.

1645
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:33,080
That's expected on Tuesday.

1646
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:35,020
At that time, he will make his first

1647
00:57:35,020 --> 00:57:35,680
court appearance.

1648
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,420
That is Steve Futterman in Spring Fork, Utah.

1649
00:57:38,620 --> 00:57:39,260
Thank you so much.

1650
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Okay.

1651
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,740
Does he have a lawyer?

1652
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:42,280
Where's the lawyer?

1653
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,740
Don't they don't usually have a lawyer out

1654
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:46,800
there saying something?

1655
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:48,620
No point.

1656
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:49,800
I hadn't thought of that.

1657
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,000
Now we have a series of clips that

1658
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,960
are about is expert on polarization.

1659
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:58,280
And these are not necessarily they stem from

1660
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,740
the shooting, but they're more kind of standalone.

1661
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:01,480
Interesting.

1662
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,360
And they're called polarization WTF, which means I

1663
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,540
thought they were interesting.

1664
00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:11,680
That's John's John speak for.

1665
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:12,280
Wow.

1666
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:13,300
That's interesting.

1667
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,200
Yeah.

1668
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:14,820
Wow.

1669
00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:16,160
That's fabulous.

1670
00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:17,200
That's fabulous.

1671
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Fabulous.

1672
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,320
That's fabulous.

1673
00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:21,640
Yes, that's what it means.

1674
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,200
That's it.

1675
00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:22,580
All right.

1676
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,020
Here we go.

1677
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,000
Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the

1678
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,720
polarization and extremism research innovation lab at American.

1679
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:30,120
Wow.

1680
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:30,640
Hold on.

1681
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,920
This is where they make it up.

1682
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,100
The polarization research and innovation lab.

1683
00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:38,520
Are they coming up with new ideas here?

1684
00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:40,780
Yeah, this is on PBS and just ran

1685
00:58:40,780 --> 00:58:41,220
yesterday.

1686
00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:41,760
Wow.

1687
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,120
Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the

1688
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,840
polarization and extremism research innovation lab at American

1689
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,360
University.

1690
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:50,040
And she joins me now.

1691
00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:53,300
Cynthia, looking at the pattern of violence in

1692
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:56,940
recent years, what fits into that pattern from

1693
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:58,900
this and what might be new?

1694
00:58:59,180 --> 00:59:02,660
Well, we've been seeing rising political violence, rising

1695
00:59:02,660 --> 00:59:05,580
hate fueled violence for several years now.

1696
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,120
We're at a level that we haven't seen

1697
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,680
since the 1970s.

1698
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,180
And over the last couple of years in

1699
00:59:12,180 --> 00:59:15,360
the US in particular, we've seen rising assassination

1700
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,220
attempts and assassinations as a tactic within that

1701
00:59:19,220 --> 00:59:20,420
political extremism.

1702
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:22,400
And that's also been happening overseas.

1703
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,600
So, you know, I think it's it was

1704
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,000
to be expected that political assassinations would continue

1705
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,560
if we weren't able to tamp down the

1706
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:30,880
rhetoric.

1707
00:59:31,220 --> 00:59:33,140
To be expected to hear those words is

1708
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:34,380
really quite stunning.

1709
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,700
But you are the one doing the research

1710
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:38,340
and you're talking about the rhetoric, which is

1711
00:59:38,340 --> 00:59:39,960
a big part of the conversation right now.

1712
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,580
How much is rhetoric responsible for political violence

1713
00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:46,640
and especially that moment where someone isn't just

1714
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,840
expressing anger, as we see online everywhere, kind

1715
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,040
of a toxic culture online?

1716
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,740
How much does political rhetoric influence someone to

1717
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:57,420
move from saying words to doing something violent?

1718
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:58,920
Or does it?

1719
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,120
Yeah, I mean, one of the things we've

1720
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,560
seen, and I said this a year ago

1721
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,840
after Trump, the first assassination attempt against President

1722
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,540
Trump was that it was only a matter

1723
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:11,260
of time with the kind of rhetoric that

1724
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:12,580
we see that we were going to get

1725
01:00:12,580 --> 01:00:13,540
to political assassination.

1726
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,500
So, you know, that's what I mean by

1727
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:16,040
expected.

1728
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,360
It sounds very cynical, but it was very

1729
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,420
predictable, you know, shocking, but not surprising is

1730
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:22,920
the way that that I think of it.

1731
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:25,280
Well, I just look this group up.

1732
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:26,420
I don't know if you had time to

1733
01:00:26,420 --> 01:00:26,880
do that.

1734
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:30,300
But the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation

1735
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:31,560
Lab is an acronym.

1736
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,740
Peril.

1737
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:34,820
Peril.

1738
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Perilresearch.com.

1739
01:00:37,660 --> 01:00:43,820
Their initiatives include gendered violence, anti-Semitism, community

1740
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:48,020
advisory resource and education centers, i.e. CARE,

1741
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,440
and VEER, the violent extremism education and resilience.

1742
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,580
Let's look at some of their most recent

1743
01:00:55,580 --> 01:00:56,280
articles.

1744
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:58,960
August 18th, been a month.

1745
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:01,540
Meme coins and misogyny.

1746
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:05,920
What the dildo throwing trend at WNBA games

1747
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,920
can teach us.

1748
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:14,110
August 12th, CDC shootings highlights risk of public

1749
01:01:14,110 --> 01:01:15,550
health misinformation.

1750
01:01:17,310 --> 01:01:21,830
July 29th, why Manosphere content is appealing to

1751
01:01:21,830 --> 01:01:22,750
some young men.

1752
01:01:23,630 --> 01:01:27,210
My goodness, the fact that these people have

1753
01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:29,090
money, are funded.

1754
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:31,410
Yeah, by the USAID.

1755
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:34,030
Yeah, they should have a podcast at minimum.

1756
01:01:34,930 --> 01:01:36,190
Meme coins and misogyny.

1757
01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:37,470
That'd be a great podcast.

1758
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:38,330
I'd probably listen to it.

1759
01:01:38,330 --> 01:01:40,390
Meme coins and misogyny, everybody.

1760
01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:42,310
Yeah, meme coins and misogyny.

1761
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:44,030
That's a show title.

1762
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:44,650
That's a classic.

1763
01:01:45,730 --> 01:01:48,870
So the point is that now this person

1764
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:51,330
reminds me of the clips you played earlier

1765
01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:54,090
of the taproot guy who comes out of,

1766
01:01:54,190 --> 01:01:57,070
you know, Polar or Intel or nowhere.

1767
01:01:57,070 --> 01:01:59,470
Yeah, but he's in a milieu.

1768
01:02:00,110 --> 01:02:02,250
And just let me ask you a question.

1769
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:06,390
Your PBS or your CBS, whatever.

1770
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:09,570
And the number one person you call is

1771
01:02:09,570 --> 01:02:10,790
from peril research.

1772
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:13,230
That's number one on your call list.

1773
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:16,270
Is that I would like to know the

1774
01:02:16,270 --> 01:02:19,150
mechanism for getting on these shows in this

1775
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:19,510
way.

1776
01:02:19,650 --> 01:02:21,130
This is not a minor piece.

1777
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:23,470
This is a I have four clips from

1778
01:02:23,470 --> 01:02:25,370
it and it went on for half the

1779
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:25,690
show.

1780
01:02:25,690 --> 01:02:26,210
Wow.

1781
01:02:26,310 --> 01:02:30,490
This is a major feature on the Saturday

1782
01:02:30,490 --> 01:02:31,410
show.

1783
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:33,590
Yeah, it's a message is what it is.

1784
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:36,090
So there is something going on with that.

1785
01:02:36,190 --> 01:02:37,410
And the one you played, I think, is

1786
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:38,210
the same thing.

1787
01:02:38,270 --> 01:02:41,510
It was a messenger that was that was

1788
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:44,430
hooked in somehow to the Booker or there's,

1789
01:02:44,530 --> 01:02:46,750
you know, there's who knows how how some

1790
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:47,750
of these things work.

1791
01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:49,830
I mean, I know how you get on

1792
01:02:49,830 --> 01:02:50,250
these shows.

1793
01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:52,070
You know, the Booker producer and you get

1794
01:02:52,070 --> 01:02:52,650
on the show.

1795
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:56,170
But the Booker producer rhymes with I'm telling

1796
01:02:56,170 --> 01:02:58,130
you about the Booker.

1797
01:02:58,330 --> 01:03:01,150
So the Booker producer usually, you know, and

1798
01:03:01,150 --> 01:03:03,050
you make and the key.

1799
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:05,470
And, you know, this and most people have

1800
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:07,550
ever done any hits on these different shows.

1801
01:03:07,830 --> 01:03:09,550
Notice that if you make friends with the

1802
01:03:09,550 --> 01:03:12,930
Booker producer or one of the lead producers,

1803
01:03:12,930 --> 01:03:14,090
that's how you do it.

1804
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:15,550
Good to show you're good.

1805
01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:16,390
You're good to go.

1806
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:19,090
Yeah, that's what you've done for Rogan's six,

1807
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:20,010
six Rogan's.

1808
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:22,890
But but Rogan invites me personally.

1809
01:03:23,070 --> 01:03:24,930
I only the first time did it go

1810
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:25,590
through his Booker.

1811
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:28,250
Yeah, well, once you get but you got

1812
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:30,570
what you hooked up with the real Booker

1813
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:30,870
producer.

1814
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:32,230
He just called me out of the blue.

1815
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:33,270
No, that's what I'm saying.

1816
01:03:33,450 --> 01:03:37,270
Yeah, he Rogan is the real producer.

1817
01:03:37,290 --> 01:03:37,870
I'm sorry.

1818
01:03:37,950 --> 01:03:38,590
Yes, he's the real.

1819
01:03:38,810 --> 01:03:40,490
But I don't say, hey, Joe, time for

1820
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:41,370
me to come on again.

1821
01:03:43,090 --> 01:03:45,270
No, but you you talk to him and

1822
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:46,690
you try to keep in touch to the

1823
01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:48,310
point where he remembers that you can come

1824
01:03:48,310 --> 01:03:50,110
on at the drop of a hat, which

1825
01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:51,290
is the great idea.

1826
01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:53,990
Yes, because somebody's got to be Tony Randall

1827
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:55,130
or Regis Philbin.

1828
01:03:55,310 --> 01:03:55,830
That's me.

1829
01:03:56,330 --> 01:03:58,250
Philbin was not as good as Randall, but

1830
01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:59,150
Philbin did it, too.

1831
01:03:59,490 --> 01:03:59,630
Yeah.

1832
01:04:00,790 --> 01:04:02,090
All right, too.

1833
01:04:03,690 --> 01:04:07,270
When you have political rhetoric that consistently positions

1834
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:10,670
us versus them in existential terms, when people

1835
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:14,290
online are celebrating the assassination of a United

1836
01:04:14,290 --> 01:04:17,270
Healthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence

1837
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:20,450
being valorized, not just seen as a last

1838
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:23,450
type of solution, but as an acceptable or

1839
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:24,590
even preferable one.

1840
01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:27,190
That was an outstanding observation, John.

1841
01:04:27,250 --> 01:04:28,950
No doubt because you saw this, it triggered

1842
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:29,430
your memory.

1843
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:31,470
But the fact that nobody got burned for

1844
01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:34,350
celebrating that, that is telling.

1845
01:04:34,890 --> 01:04:38,170
There was also, by the way, I think

1846
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:42,210
her use of the word valorized is dynamite.

1847
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:43,950
Oh, yeah, that is good.

1848
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:45,010
Let's roll that back.

1849
01:04:45,010 --> 01:04:47,330
Type of solution, but as an acceptable or

1850
01:04:47,330 --> 01:04:48,470
even preferable one.

1851
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:52,490
There was also celebration online of this assassination.

1852
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:54,870
And at the same time, we also know

1853
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:57,350
there are some supporters of Charlie Kirk who

1854
01:04:57,350 --> 01:04:59,010
are using more and more sort of warlike

1855
01:04:59,010 --> 01:05:02,070
kind of talk after a tragedy like this.

1856
01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:03,610
There are all sorts of ways that people

1857
01:05:03,610 --> 01:05:04,430
deal with the grief.

1858
01:05:04,590 --> 01:05:06,670
But where do you think we are right

1859
01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:08,530
now in the rhetoric about this event?

1860
01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:10,910
I think we're at a really very risky

1861
01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:11,390
moment.

1862
01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:13,970
I will say that the elected officials rhetoric,

1863
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:18,570
the bipartisan, mostly bipartisan condemnation of the violence

1864
01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:21,370
and of the idea that no one deserves

1865
01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:23,010
to be shot no matter how much you

1866
01:05:23,010 --> 01:05:25,190
disagree with them, I think has been very

1867
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:25,590
clear.

1868
01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:28,470
But among ordinary people, especially young people on

1869
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:30,950
social media, we have seen much more divisive

1870
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:34,610
rhetoric, both calling for civil war and celebrating

1871
01:05:34,610 --> 01:05:37,330
the death of the killing of someone with

1872
01:05:37,330 --> 01:05:39,770
whom people often vehemently disagreed.

1873
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:41,730
And so I think one of the things

1874
01:05:41,730 --> 01:05:43,690
I've been urging people is to not just

1875
01:05:43,690 --> 01:05:45,810
look to political leaders for solutions, but look

1876
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:46,850
across the dinner table.

1877
01:05:47,310 --> 01:05:49,430
That's a moment to engage with dialogue and

1878
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:50,950
really try to walk back that rhetoric.

1879
01:05:51,570 --> 01:05:51,730
Yeah.

1880
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:52,090
Okay.

1881
01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:53,050
At the dinner table.

1882
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:53,430
Okay.

1883
01:05:54,810 --> 01:05:57,130
Hey, son, stop talking that way.

1884
01:05:58,890 --> 01:05:59,870
Okay, go with three.

1885
01:06:00,350 --> 01:06:01,750
One thing I've noticed in the past few

1886
01:06:01,750 --> 01:06:06,630
days is a rise in conservatives doxing or

1887
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:11,030
publishing the personal information of people, individuals who

1888
01:06:11,030 --> 01:06:14,070
are not remotely famous, who may have in

1889
01:06:14,070 --> 01:06:16,290
some cases celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk,

1890
01:06:16,350 --> 01:06:18,590
as you said, that's something obviously deplorable to

1891
01:06:18,590 --> 01:06:18,830
do.

1892
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:21,230
But in some cases, maybe not gone that

1893
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:23,190
far, just offended some folks.

1894
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:26,090
We spoke to someone from Wired magazine who's

1895
01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:29,330
covering this, talking about specifically this moment.

1896
01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:31,270
I've spoken to multiple people this week who

1897
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:35,410
have had their employment terminated as a result

1898
01:06:35,410 --> 01:06:36,590
of what they posted online.

1899
01:06:36,590 --> 01:06:39,310
In some cases, they were celebrating Charlie Kirk's

1900
01:06:39,310 --> 01:06:39,910
death.

1901
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:42,590
In other cases, it was much, much less

1902
01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:43,050
than that.

1903
01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:45,830
And they were just making points about divisive

1904
01:06:45,830 --> 01:06:46,450
US society.

1905
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:49,070
This has been not just about shaming people,

1906
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:51,150
but about affecting their lives.

1907
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:52,730
And in some cases, there's been death threats

1908
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:53,350
as well.

1909
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:56,050
I wonder what you make of this tactic,

1910
01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:58,150
not just something a few people are doing,

1911
01:06:58,250 --> 01:07:00,710
but people are collecting databases to do this

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01:07:00,710 --> 01:07:00,970
now.

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01:07:00,970 --> 01:07:05,910
Yeah, doxing is a very dangerous tactic.

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01:07:06,430 --> 01:07:08,030
We've seen it from the left and from

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01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:08,430
the right.

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01:07:08,590 --> 01:07:09,990
And what we've seen over the years is

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that often when someone is doxed, their personal

1918
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:16,510
information leaked, there have been cases where people

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01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:18,870
show up at the wrong address where they

1920
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:20,550
used to live, let's say, and threaten the

1921
01:07:20,550 --> 01:07:22,130
kind of innocent family who lives there.

1922
01:07:22,490 --> 01:07:25,930
You're putting at risk family members, children, others

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01:07:25,930 --> 01:07:27,390
who might live at that address.

1924
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:29,610
How about the people who actually are meant

1925
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:30,230
to be doxed?

1926
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:31,130
That's not dangerous.

1927
01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:33,390
So, you know, one of the things I

1928
01:07:33,390 --> 01:07:35,450
would really urge people to do is avoid

1929
01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:36,390
that temptation.

1930
01:07:36,610 --> 01:07:39,590
Whatever the motivation to look for accountability, this

1931
01:07:39,590 --> 01:07:41,990
is a moment to allow the rule of

1932
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:46,030
law to allow social media policies to handle

1933
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:46,450
that.

1934
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:48,750
Social media policies?

1935
01:07:49,350 --> 01:07:51,110
It's not social media policies.

1936
01:07:51,450 --> 01:07:51,770
Censorship.

1937
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:54,530
And by the way, what's her name?

1938
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:55,930
Lisa Desjardins.

1939
01:07:55,930 --> 01:07:56,830
She goes on.

1940
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:58,690
She's all upset about this, but she never

1941
01:07:58,690 --> 01:08:02,090
has said jack about doxing, you know, the

1942
01:08:02,090 --> 01:08:03,470
ICE guys.

1943
01:08:04,070 --> 01:08:05,090
No, of course not.

1944
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:07,270
Or any police, for that matter, who have

1945
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:09,170
to wear masks because these guys come up

1946
01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:09,350
to them.

1947
01:08:09,350 --> 01:08:12,390
But again, what they're all missing is the

1948
01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:14,350
fact that all of these people did it

1949
01:08:14,350 --> 01:08:15,729
because they felt comfortable.

1950
01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:17,189
They thought everybody is on.

1951
01:08:17,290 --> 01:08:17,990
Everyone's on board.

1952
01:08:18,029 --> 01:08:18,790
Everyone agrees.

1953
01:08:18,790 --> 01:08:23,170
Isn't this, this is the weak mindedness of

1954
01:08:23,170 --> 01:08:28,470
certainly our educators that, oh, I mean, everyone

1955
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:29,090
thinks this.

1956
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:30,350
I've told my children this.

1957
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:31,330
Everyone knows this.

1958
01:08:31,770 --> 01:08:33,490
All my colleagues, they all believe it.

1959
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:35,609
No, you're not going to get an argument

1960
01:08:35,609 --> 01:08:37,010
from me on that regard.

1961
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:39,410
But the fact that they are comfortable.

1962
01:08:39,770 --> 01:08:41,069
Comfortable, yes, comfortable.

1963
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:44,590
Talking about some guy getting killed is pathetic.

1964
01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:47,590
Well, they didn't.

1965
01:08:47,710 --> 01:08:48,470
Well, you know what?

1966
01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:50,029
They didn't get in trouble with Luigi.

1967
01:08:50,029 --> 01:08:52,229
That's part, that may be part of the

1968
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:53,790
mechanism for all we know, John.

1969
01:08:53,830 --> 01:08:56,810
Yeah, it's pretty schemey, if that's true.

1970
01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:57,910
It's very schemey.

1971
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:58,750
A little outrageous.

1972
01:09:00,069 --> 01:09:02,029
It's hard for me to believe they're that

1973
01:09:02,029 --> 01:09:02,510
good.

1974
01:09:02,830 --> 01:09:04,630
But, you know, it's always possible.

1975
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:06,790
Now, the last clip, this is the last

1976
01:09:06,790 --> 01:09:06,970
clip.

1977
01:09:07,029 --> 01:09:08,450
They convinced us we went to the moon.

1978
01:09:08,649 --> 01:09:10,729
So, you know, it's like anything's possible.

1979
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:11,109
Hey, yo.

1980
01:09:14,410 --> 01:09:16,189
There's two, you got two more clips here.

1981
01:09:16,370 --> 01:09:17,330
You got, oh, you got Trump.

1982
01:09:17,410 --> 01:09:19,850
You got Trump, the Trump stuff now?

1983
01:09:21,010 --> 01:09:21,649
So, let's see.

1984
01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:25,170
Kirk Trump reaction and analysis is what I

1985
01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:25,330
have.

1986
01:09:25,609 --> 01:09:27,189
That would be last, I think.

1987
01:09:28,689 --> 01:09:30,109
The third was the last one.

1988
01:09:30,250 --> 01:09:31,270
That was the last Robinson.

1989
01:09:31,569 --> 01:09:32,270
That was the last.

1990
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:32,750
Oh, right.

1991
01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:35,090
No, there should be polarization for Dudd.

1992
01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:35,890
Yep, there is.

1993
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:38,930
Now, the reason I call it, wait, I'm

1994
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:40,890
just going to give a heads up.

1995
01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:42,090
So they go on and on.

1996
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:42,950
This goes on forever.

1997
01:09:43,109 --> 01:09:44,870
And this is how they finish it.

1998
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:46,350
And I'm listening to this.

1999
01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:47,290
It says, wait a minute.

2000
01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:49,410
You go through, you make us watch this

2001
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:49,830
crap.

2002
01:09:50,029 --> 01:09:51,910
For this period of time, I'm doing this,

2003
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:53,410
by the way, in advance of this clip,

2004
01:09:53,470 --> 01:09:54,910
because you're going to do it if I

2005
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:55,270
don't.

2006
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:58,810
This is a Dudd out on us.

2007
01:09:59,330 --> 01:10:01,070
In a few seconds, we have left here.

2008
01:10:01,330 --> 01:10:03,810
We've seen these moments in history before where

2009
01:10:03,810 --> 01:10:06,970
we have assassination attempts happening over a decade

2010
01:10:06,970 --> 01:10:09,130
or two decades kind of thing before.

2011
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:11,370
But I wonder, you mentioned people need to

2012
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:12,890
talk to each other across the dinner table.

2013
01:10:13,450 --> 01:10:15,890
What else gets the country out of moments

2014
01:10:15,890 --> 01:10:16,450
like this?

2015
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:16,990
Vax.

2016
01:10:16,990 --> 01:10:18,970
Well, one of the things we really need

2017
01:10:18,970 --> 01:10:22,270
is more serious and systematic investments in prevention,

2018
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:24,570
which is something that other countries have.

2019
01:10:24,970 --> 01:10:26,790
We in this country tend to rely on,

2020
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:30,550
after the fact, increases in security, better barricades,

2021
01:10:30,750 --> 01:10:32,370
better security detectors.

2022
01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:34,490
And that's expensive.

2023
01:10:34,510 --> 01:10:37,430
And it requires a perfection every time.

2024
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:39,530
But you can also invest in helping people

2025
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:43,190
be less persuaded by propaganda online, less persuaded

2026
01:10:43,190 --> 01:10:45,910
by manipulative efforts that say violence is the

2027
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:46,390
solution.

2028
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:49,770
And help people know how to recognize warning

2029
01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:51,670
signs and know where to get more help.

2030
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:54,050
Cynthia Miller Idris, thank you so much for

2031
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:54,490
joining us.

2032
01:10:54,730 --> 01:10:56,890
All that was missing was her saying, therefore,

2033
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:59,530
I recommend listening to the best podcast in

2034
01:10:59,530 --> 01:11:02,010
the universe, the No Agenda Show, so you

2035
01:11:02,010 --> 01:11:03,870
will not be radicalized that easily.

2036
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:07,090
You know, the funny irony to that last

2037
01:11:07,090 --> 01:11:10,530
bit in the commentary is that the United

2038
01:11:10,530 --> 01:11:15,510
States really can't afford to let people think

2039
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:18,710
for themselves that much because the entire advertising

2040
01:11:18,710 --> 01:11:22,230
model for selling products requires it.

2041
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:25,010
Oh, our entire system.

2042
01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:26,850
We've been through this system.

2043
01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:28,230
Yes, the entire system.

2044
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:31,150
I'm just thinking advertising, but it requires you

2045
01:11:31,150 --> 01:11:32,030
be gullible.

2046
01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:34,590
Well, not just be gullible, but be outraged.

2047
01:11:34,650 --> 01:11:36,210
The constant state of outrage.

2048
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:37,810
That's how our media works.

2049
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:39,450
That's how our politics works.

2050
01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:42,770
That's how our social media works, which is

2051
01:11:42,770 --> 01:11:44,530
why people are getting all of, you know,

2052
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:46,630
your algorithms are showing all the things that

2053
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:48,130
are going to get you mad.

2054
01:11:48,610 --> 01:11:51,510
And the Chinese model, which soon will go

2055
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:53,930
away whenever President Trump figures out how to

2056
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:56,710
make it American, TikTok, you just get everything

2057
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:57,170
you want.

2058
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:59,590
There's no, you know, Facebook does this.

2059
01:11:59,610 --> 01:12:01,650
They all do this, like inject stuff, inject

2060
01:12:01,650 --> 01:12:02,650
stuff, inject stuff.

2061
01:12:02,710 --> 01:12:04,070
Keep you busy, keep you on there.

2062
01:12:04,590 --> 01:12:06,970
And that's our, that is, that has always

2063
01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:07,890
been our model.

2064
01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:08,550
Yeah.

2065
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:10,370
So you get what you pay for.

2066
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:11,770
Which is nothing.

2067
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:16,250
Oh, junk, Chinese junk, it turns out to

2068
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:17,290
be currently junk.

2069
01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:17,670
Okay.

2070
01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:18,690
So I got the, yeah, right.

2071
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:19,570
Kirk Trump.

2072
01:12:19,690 --> 01:12:20,910
I forgot about these clips.

2073
01:12:20,970 --> 01:12:22,650
This is another, I don't know.

2074
01:12:22,690 --> 01:12:24,590
I guess all my clips are analysis clips,

2075
01:12:24,730 --> 01:12:27,270
this show, but Kirk Trump reaction.

2076
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:29,210
This is, this is, this is kind of

2077
01:12:29,210 --> 01:12:31,030
funny because they're just doing, they just do

2078
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:31,970
everything they can.

2079
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:33,530
It's Trump's fault, by the way.

2080
01:12:33,870 --> 01:12:34,890
We're going to take a few minutes now

2081
01:12:34,890 --> 01:12:36,890
to look at how President Trump has handled

2082
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:37,690
all of this.

2083
01:12:37,690 --> 01:12:39,950
At difficult moments for the nation, it's often

2084
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:42,570
the role of the president to deliver meaning,

2085
01:12:43,130 --> 01:12:44,390
resoluteness, and calm.

2086
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:45,450
Think of George W.

2087
01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:47,590
Bush in the immediate wake of 9-11

2088
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:48,810
as one recent example.

2089
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:51,910
This week, in the hours immediately after the

2090
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:54,670
assassination of Charlie Kirk, President Trump took a

2091
01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:55,390
different approach.

2092
01:12:55,610 --> 01:12:57,590
He blamed his political opponents.

2093
01:12:57,990 --> 01:13:00,830
Radical left political violence has hurt too many

2094
01:13:00,830 --> 01:13:04,210
innocent people and taken too many lives.

2095
01:13:04,210 --> 01:13:07,030
Trump said his administration would be coming for

2096
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:10,690
people and organizations that contribute to political violence.

2097
01:13:11,210 --> 01:13:13,450
NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins

2098
01:13:13,450 --> 01:13:13,730
us now.

2099
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:15,970
Hi, Scott.

2100
01:13:16,150 --> 01:13:17,770
You have covered Trump for a long time.

2101
01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:20,670
This is unfortunately far from the first violent

2102
01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:22,290
political act that he has had to respond

2103
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:22,990
to as president.

2104
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:25,530
So how does his handling here compare to

2105
01:13:25,530 --> 01:13:26,250
the other times?

2106
01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:28,990
Trump and members of his family were quite

2107
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:31,690
close to Charlie Kirk, so this attack was

2108
01:13:31,690 --> 01:13:32,750
personal for Trump.

2109
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:36,030
And his response was immediately partisan.

2110
01:13:36,610 --> 01:13:38,310
Compare that to what happened after the shooting

2111
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:41,050
at a congressional baseball team practice in 2017.

2112
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:44,690
In that case, Republican lawmakers were targeted by

2113
01:13:44,690 --> 01:13:46,390
a man who had been a Bernie Sanders

2114
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:46,950
supporter.

2115
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:49,650
But in a scripted address, Trump took a

2116
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:52,730
very traditional approach and said, the nation is

2117
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:54,270
strongest when we are unified.

2118
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:57,650
We may have our differences, but we do

2119
01:13:57,650 --> 01:14:00,910
well in times like these to remember that

2120
01:14:00,910 --> 01:14:04,810
everyone who serves in our nation's capital is

2121
01:14:04,810 --> 01:14:09,710
here because, above all, they love our country.

2122
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:11,610
And Tam, we have to talk about a

2123
01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:12,350
big factor here.

2124
01:14:12,430 --> 01:14:14,790
The president himself was shot at last summer

2125
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:16,250
at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

2126
01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:19,050
Remind us of his rhetoric after that assassination

2127
01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:20,110
attempt against him.

2128
01:14:20,690 --> 01:14:22,310
It was interesting because a lot of his

2129
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:25,450
supporters were really fast to blame left-wing

2130
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:27,710
rhetoric, but Trump was more restrained.

2131
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:31,150
OK, what's interesting about this clip is there's

2132
01:14:31,150 --> 01:14:33,750
a little modicum of truth in there where

2133
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:35,850
the president said he was going after those

2134
01:14:35,850 --> 01:14:37,170
that finance it.

2135
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:39,990
Yes, yes, exactly.

2136
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:42,690
That's a little different than going after political

2137
01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:43,430
opponents.

2138
01:14:44,110 --> 01:14:48,870
Yes, but the whole, yes, yes, yes, yes.

2139
01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:51,410
The beginning of the clip is a fallacious

2140
01:14:51,410 --> 01:14:54,130
argument and a false analogy.

2141
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,870
He starts off by saying, look at how

2142
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:59,710
Bush handled the 9-11 thing.

2143
01:15:00,790 --> 01:15:03,350
9-11 wasn't an attack by the Democrat

2144
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:05,830
Party or common leftists.

2145
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:08,070
It was attacked by a foreign entity.

2146
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:09,650
Or whatever, or whatever.

2147
01:15:10,030 --> 01:15:12,370
We're going to go with the cover story.

2148
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:13,870
OK, we're going to go with that story.

2149
01:15:13,930 --> 01:15:16,270
So Bush isn't about to go and start

2150
01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:17,750
blaming the leftists.

2151
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:19,070
I mean, it's not going to happen.

2152
01:15:19,210 --> 01:15:21,090
And he says, compare that to Trump.

2153
01:15:21,490 --> 01:15:22,830
That's not a comparison.

2154
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:24,090
What are you kidding me?

2155
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:26,370
So you start at the very beginning of

2156
01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:29,990
the presentation with a fallacious analogy.

2157
01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:31,350
And you go from there.

2158
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:33,370
But meanwhile, it's just stuck in the person's

2159
01:15:33,370 --> 01:15:33,630
brain.

2160
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:34,410
We have this.

2161
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:39,930
In other words, the preconceived conclusion is already

2162
01:15:39,930 --> 01:15:42,650
planted if you don't catch it right away.

2163
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:45,270
This is like a pathological liar talking to

2164
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:45,490
you.

2165
01:15:45,870 --> 01:15:49,010
If he if you watch the media pathological

2166
01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:52,330
liars, what if he gets you early?

2167
01:15:52,330 --> 01:15:54,330
Then he'll start to reel you in.

2168
01:15:54,410 --> 01:15:56,650
And that's exactly what happens with these guys

2169
01:15:56,650 --> 01:15:59,050
at NPR do this all the time.

2170
01:15:59,130 --> 01:16:01,810
And in that case, the ideology of the

2171
01:16:01,810 --> 01:16:04,250
shooter who was killed by police is to

2172
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:05,930
this day still quite unclear.

2173
01:16:06,330 --> 01:16:09,290
His list of potential targets included Democrats and

2174
01:16:09,290 --> 01:16:09,730
Republicans.

2175
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:12,370
Like we said, unfortunately, a lot of examples

2176
01:16:12,370 --> 01:16:12,950
to pick from.

2177
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:14,290
But I do want to ask about one

2178
01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:16,270
recent example a lot of people have brought

2179
01:16:16,270 --> 01:16:16,990
up this week.

2180
01:16:16,990 --> 01:16:19,990
And that's the targeted attacks on Minnesota Democrats

2181
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:22,230
this past summer that killed former House Speaker

2182
01:16:22,230 --> 01:16:23,230
Melissa Hortman.

2183
01:16:23,730 --> 01:16:25,650
How did Trump respond this summer after those

2184
01:16:25,650 --> 01:16:25,930
shootings?

2185
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:28,790
Hortman and her husband were murdered.

2186
01:16:29,050 --> 01:16:31,530
Another Democratic lawmaker was gravely injured.

2187
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:33,170
It was a targeted attack.

2188
01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:35,890
Trump posted about the attack on social media,

2189
01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:39,270
saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated

2190
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:40,810
in the United States of America.

2191
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:43,510
But he didn't get into the partisan nature

2192
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:44,350
of the targeting.

2193
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:46,750
And he hasn't really mentioned it since.

2194
01:16:47,150 --> 01:16:49,410
There was no conclusion on that.

2195
01:16:49,410 --> 01:16:51,890
It wasn't partisan.

2196
01:16:52,510 --> 01:16:54,890
No, there's no evidence of that.

2197
01:16:57,420 --> 01:16:58,700
It was probably a yes.

2198
01:16:58,940 --> 01:16:59,700
So this is again.

2199
01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:01,600
So what they've done is they've already lied

2200
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,760
to you at the beginning with a false

2201
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:03,240
analogy.

2202
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,340
And then they're starting to reel you in.

2203
01:17:05,420 --> 01:17:09,640
And then they start to drop phony bombs

2204
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,160
in the middle so they can make the

2205
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,860
point that Trump's a bad guy.

2206
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,440
Yeah, he is.

2207
01:17:14,660 --> 01:17:16,060
I mean, is it fair to say that

2208
01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:18,220
he just downplays it when violence comes from

2209
01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:19,080
the political right?

2210
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,360
Yeah, let me give you another example.

2211
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,780
In 2018, a Trump supporter who sent explosives

2212
01:17:25,780 --> 01:17:29,760
to Democrats and also CNN was taken into

2213
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:30,120
custody.

2214
01:17:30,340 --> 01:17:33,740
President Trump responded by praising law enforcement and

2215
01:17:33,740 --> 01:17:37,020
criticizing the media for mentioning the suspect's political

2216
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:37,780
affiliation.

2217
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,260
He said the media was using the sinister

2218
01:17:40,260 --> 01:17:43,680
actions of one individual to score political points

2219
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,440
against him and Republicans.

2220
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:49,840
Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to

2221
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,920
murder congressional Republicans and severely wounded a great

2222
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,660
man named Steve Scalise and others, we did

2223
01:17:58,660 --> 01:18:01,780
not use that heinous attempt at mass murder

2224
01:18:01,780 --> 01:18:05,660
for political gain because that would have been

2225
01:18:05,660 --> 01:18:06,320
wrong.

2226
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:09,500
So in 2018, he was saying a partisan

2227
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:12,640
response to a terrible crime would be wrong.

2228
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,080
But in this case, with the murder of

2229
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,860
Charlie Kirk, Trump is quite firmly sticking to

2230
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:20,880
his view that Democrats and harsh rhetoric on

2231
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,300
the left are to blame.

2232
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:23,320
You say quite firmly.

2233
01:18:23,580 --> 01:18:24,740
Is it fair to say he has not

2234
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:27,880
softened his rhetoric since the alleged assailant was

2235
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:28,620
taken into custody?

2236
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:29,720
Right.

2237
01:18:29,860 --> 01:18:32,180
He was on Fox and Friends yesterday and

2238
01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:35,220
Ainsley Earhart gave him an opportunity to offer

2239
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:36,460
a unifying message.

2240
01:18:36,740 --> 01:18:38,520
How do we fix this country?

2241
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:39,860
How do we come back together?

2242
01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:41,160
I'll tell you something that's going to get

2243
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:42,740
me in trouble, but I couldn't care less.

2244
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,560
The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical

2245
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,380
because they don't want to see crime.

2246
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:50,740
They don't want to see crime.

2247
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:52,800
So take that and then compare it to

2248
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,260
the way he describes the other side.

2249
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:56,760
The radicals on the left are the problem,

2250
01:18:56,860 --> 01:18:59,300
and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're

2251
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:00,320
politically savvy.

2252
01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:02,600
And in this way, Trump is like so

2253
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,800
many others in this polarized country who think

2254
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,800
their side is essentially fine and it's the

2255
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,420
other side that's evil.

2256
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:11,440
The difference, of course, though, is that he's

2257
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:12,940
the president of the United States.

2258
01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:14,640
He has all the power.

2259
01:19:16,060 --> 01:19:18,980
I want to take this for me to

2260
01:19:18,980 --> 01:19:20,740
a conclusion because we need to end this

2261
01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:21,320
at some point.

2262
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,020
We can just go on forever about this.

2263
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:23,360
I'm done.

2264
01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:27,900
And this, you'll roll your eyes, but that's

2265
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:30,420
OK because you're used to it by now.

2266
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,700
Almost 18 years.

2267
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:32,740
That's right.

2268
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:37,560
So when President Trump talks about those financing

2269
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,760
this, and we talked about this the other

2270
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,000
day and you put the blame on people

2271
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,600
like Soros, as an example, the Open Society

2272
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,220
Foundation, which clearly is one of his financial

2273
01:19:48,220 --> 01:19:53,840
motives is to destabilize a currency, a country,

2274
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:55,060
anything to hedge.

2275
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,060
He's a hedge fund guy.

2276
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,500
And that's so it may not even be

2277
01:19:59,500 --> 01:19:59,900
that.

2278
01:19:59,900 --> 01:20:02,320
He's one of the greatest currency traders in

2279
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,220
the history of investing.

2280
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,040
And he may not even be doing it

2281
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,380
that much for ideological reasons more than financial.

2282
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:11,660
I mean, that's possible.

2283
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:13,500
We don't really know much about him other

2284
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:14,740
than he's kind of creepy.

2285
01:20:15,660 --> 01:20:18,360
And it was there was this one brief

2286
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,420
moment in kind of the fog of post

2287
01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:25,860
this assassination when and the clip is not

2288
01:20:25,860 --> 01:20:26,740
widely distributed.

2289
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:28,460
I was able to find it.

2290
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:31,840
It's like on places where, you know, you

2291
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:32,300
have that.

2292
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,820
This is a media, but they have like

2293
01:20:34,820 --> 01:20:36,340
an audio watermark.

2294
01:20:36,420 --> 01:20:37,940
So I was able to find a version

2295
01:20:37,940 --> 01:20:38,720
of it without that.

2296
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:39,740
It's only 50 seconds.

2297
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:41,360
I found it without that.

2298
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:45,280
This was Hannity, which if it was just

2299
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,800
Hannity, I've been like, OK, whatever.

2300
01:20:47,580 --> 01:20:50,580
That was also John Solomon and John Solomon.

2301
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:55,080
I think he's pretty good with his investigative

2302
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,920
sourcing because this is all sources.

2303
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,560
And this came out and I haven't heard

2304
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:01,340
about it since.

2305
01:21:01,460 --> 01:21:04,400
Have a source in the intelligence community, John,

2306
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:08,880
that said that there might be post assassination

2307
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:12,460
pieces of a puzzle that might be put

2308
01:21:12,460 --> 01:21:14,880
together, that there might be a foreign component

2309
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:15,480
to it.

2310
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,860
Again, we don't know for sure.

2311
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,620
I know it's being discussed.

2312
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:21,780
Have you heard the same thing?

2313
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,380
Yes, there is a group or two of

2314
01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:26,040
interests that are in the Salt Lake City

2315
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,520
area that they're looking at just because of

2316
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,100
certain recent activities overseas and certain intelligence shared

2317
01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:34,620
by a foreign friendly from the United States

2318
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:37,400
doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to

2319
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:37,780
the shooting.

2320
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,040
I suspect, though, it's going to result in

2321
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,780
some action, even if it's not resulted, not

2322
01:21:42,780 --> 01:21:43,800
tied to the shooting.

2323
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,940
But there is a small foreign component that's

2324
01:21:45,940 --> 01:21:46,460
being looked at.

2325
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,980
Again, all leads are open.

2326
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,740
I don't think they've locked into a final

2327
01:21:49,740 --> 01:21:50,760
theory of the case yet.

2328
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,220
Just thought it was interesting.

2329
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:52,900
Like, huh.

2330
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,980
OK, now, I actually saw that.

2331
01:21:55,980 --> 01:21:56,500
Yeah.

2332
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:57,360
What was your thought?

2333
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,600
And my thought was that they're trying as

2334
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,340
hard as they can to blame Israel.

2335
01:22:04,940 --> 01:22:06,820
And this is kind of a roundabout way

2336
01:22:06,820 --> 01:22:07,480
of doing it.

2337
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,580
And I say that because that meme is

2338
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:11,400
floating around.

2339
01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:14,180
I think it's silly, but it's floating around.

2340
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:15,920
And it even came to the dinner table

2341
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:21,360
because JC and Jesse both had some thoughts

2342
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,540
on this that involved Israel.

2343
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:26,760
And he also had a couple other memes

2344
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:27,820
that he picked up on.

2345
01:22:27,940 --> 01:22:30,040
And one of my favorites, which I observed,

2346
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,500
too, even though thinking about it, I realized

2347
01:22:32,500 --> 01:22:34,600
it's not really possible to tell.

2348
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,880
But when when the kid jumped off the

2349
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,380
roof and landed like a paratrooper beautifully, by

2350
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:43,040
the way, from a two story building, I

2351
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,460
can't jump off a two story building.

2352
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:45,800
Not anymore.

2353
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,620
Back in the heyday, you could.

2354
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:49,580
I'm not absolutely sure I could ever.

2355
01:22:49,580 --> 01:22:53,680
But he jumps off the building, lands perfectly

2356
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,500
and then runs.

2357
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:54,820
Is it?

2358
01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:55,480
Where's the gun?

2359
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:56,060
Where's the gun?

2360
01:22:56,140 --> 01:22:58,800
Because he supposedly ran into the gun, but

2361
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,440
you couldn't see the gun.

2362
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,600
But but that video was enhanced and enhancement

2363
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,880
can easily take the gun out of the

2364
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:06,100
picture.

2365
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:07,200
He could have been running with a gun

2366
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:08,120
for all we know.

2367
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,880
So I so I'm not I like the

2368
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,020
idea that people have all observed is where's

2369
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:13,280
the gun?

2370
01:23:13,340 --> 01:23:13,960
Where's the gun?

2371
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:17,180
Because he's running like a maniac at high

2372
01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:19,360
speeds after jumping off the building and there's

2373
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,840
no gun that he went to with a

2374
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,660
towel around it that he ditched.

2375
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:26,760
And that is suspicious.

2376
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,680
But at the same time, when you do

2377
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,960
video enhancing, it's easy to wipe stuff out.

2378
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:33,940
I mean, I can you know, you've done

2379
01:23:33,940 --> 01:23:34,160
it.

2380
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,140
Yeah, but you're you're floating away from the

2381
01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:36,480
topic.

2382
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,920
The topic was a foreign entity.

2383
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,820
Well, yeah, I'm just saying that that came

2384
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:41,660
up at the conversation.

2385
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:43,580
But they also they would they were thinking

2386
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:44,240
Israel.

2387
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,880
And it goes like, OK, I know where

2388
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,080
I don't know where it was.

2389
01:23:48,740 --> 01:23:51,100
Oh, it's it's around and it's around.

2390
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,240
Yeah, it's around and people hate Israel.

2391
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:56,580
Well, and the reason the younger generation actually

2392
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:58,680
Charlie Kirk had a roundtable on this, which

2393
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:59,160
I listened to.

2394
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,960
I won't play the clips, but he had

2395
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:01,600
a roundtable.

2396
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:02,480
He was asking them.

2397
01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:06,660
And what it came down to was we're

2398
01:24:06,660 --> 01:24:09,540
pissed off because we can't afford our rent.

2399
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,360
Yet we're sending money to Israel.

2400
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:12,740
The fire is here.

2401
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:14,400
Why are you trying to put fires out

2402
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:14,780
there?

2403
01:24:14,780 --> 01:24:18,620
And that's an although that's a misunderstanding of

2404
01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:21,840
appropriation of money because it's very little compared

2405
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,140
to, you know, other things the U.S.

2406
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:25,460
government spends its money on.

2407
01:24:25,780 --> 01:24:29,520
But the secondary part was interesting where they

2408
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,020
said, well, if people are going to call

2409
01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:33,200
me an anti-Semite for saying that, for

2410
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,360
being upset with sending money, supporting Israel with,

2411
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,180
you know, whatever Israel does with the money,

2412
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:43,200
which, you know, is killing Palestinians, bombing Qatar,

2413
01:24:43,420 --> 01:24:43,800
et cetera.

2414
01:24:44,420 --> 01:24:45,960
Maybe drawing us into wars.

2415
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,080
Then what the Gen Z-ers are saying

2416
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,460
is, and Charlie Kirk agreed with them because

2417
01:24:51,460 --> 01:24:52,900
he's, you know, almost of that, he's a

2418
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:54,120
little bit older, but he's close to that

2419
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:54,580
generation.

2420
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,940
He said, well, you know, if we're going

2421
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:58,720
to be accused of the crime, I might

2422
01:24:58,720 --> 01:24:59,460
as well do it.

2423
01:25:00,100 --> 01:25:01,700
But that's not where I'm going with this.

2424
01:25:01,780 --> 01:25:04,540
I certainly kept that open on Thursday.

2425
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,900
Like, well, could this have been some retaliation?

2426
01:25:07,340 --> 01:25:08,920
By the way, Israel is not the same

2427
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,720
as the government of Israel in my mind.

2428
01:25:11,420 --> 01:25:13,600
Bibi Netanyahu has a lot of issues.

2429
01:25:14,380 --> 01:25:16,600
But it was, and this is something that

2430
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,960
Mo tried to explain to me, and I

2431
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,940
understood theoretically what he was talking about.

2432
01:25:22,020 --> 01:25:24,740
And for 100 episodes of Mo Facts with

2433
01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:27,600
Adam Curry, he talked about the white supremacy.

2434
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:30,780
And he was always taking it back to

2435
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:32,920
Europe, to the European families.

2436
01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:34,760
And that was, it was not a color.

2437
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:35,800
It was a system.

2438
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:39,540
And someone sent me this video of these

2439
01:25:39,540 --> 01:25:40,620
two women.

2440
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:42,500
They're older.

2441
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:45,680
When I say older, I'm 61.

2442
01:25:45,900 --> 01:25:47,560
I'm like, man, I hope I don't look

2443
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:48,600
like that when I'm 65.

2444
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,740
But they're probably in their mid-60s.

2445
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,160
This is one of them, Susan Kokinda.

2446
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,520
And they have this group called the Prometheus,

2447
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:58,340
what is it called?

2448
01:26:00,380 --> 01:26:01,320
Prometheus Action.

2449
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,080
And as I was listening, it kind of

2450
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,080
dawned on me, like, let's just say this

2451
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:13,100
was an operation to destabilize America, destabilize possibly

2452
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:15,380
the president's agenda, which I think it actually

2453
01:26:15,380 --> 01:26:16,880
had the adverse effect.

2454
01:26:16,940 --> 01:26:18,940
I think the enemy always overplays his hand.

2455
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,000
But if there has been a destabilizing factor

2456
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,600
throughout, really, certainly the last 10 years, but

2457
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,400
maybe forever in the existence of our country,

2458
01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:33,680
these ladies are very, very articulate.

2459
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,420
And I have two short clips, both a

2460
01:26:35,420 --> 01:26:38,760
minute each, just to introduce this to you.

2461
01:26:39,500 --> 01:26:41,440
And I'm going to be staying on this.

2462
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:43,520
This is going to be my new, this

2463
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:44,740
is going to be a new theorem for

2464
01:26:44,740 --> 01:26:46,180
me to stick with.

2465
01:26:46,340 --> 01:26:47,920
What if I told you that Donald Trump's

2466
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,480
biggest enemies are not the Obama-Clinton-Biden

2467
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,740
networks, whose heads are on the line in

2468
01:26:52,740 --> 01:26:55,180
the Russiagate revelations, or even the deep state,

2469
01:26:55,180 --> 01:26:57,460
but it's the European monarchies who have never

2470
01:26:57,460 --> 01:26:59,900
stopped their war against the American Republic?

2471
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,220
Most people think that this is just politics,

2472
01:27:02,500 --> 01:27:05,600
Republicans versus Democrats, or maybe America versus the

2473
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,260
globalists.

2474
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:08,780
You see the daily battles over Ukraine funding,

2475
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,380
Fed policy, or the environmental regulations as separate

2476
01:27:12,380 --> 01:27:12,800
issues.

2477
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,720
Even Trump supporters often miss the big picture,

2478
01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:19,220
focusing on individual bad actors or policy disputes.

2479
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,480
But what we're fighting is a system properly

2480
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:23,760
named the Anglo-Dutch system.

2481
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,800
And what we're witnessing is unprecedented.

2482
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,280
An American president waging direct war against the

2483
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,840
very Anglo-Dutch system that we fought the

2484
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,180
American Revolution against.

2485
01:27:33,460 --> 01:27:35,240
Trump isn't just fighting globalists.

2486
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:38,460
He's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy,

2487
01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:40,700
led by the British monarchy and its Dutch

2488
01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:41,860
and European partners.

2489
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,800
This is what's been bleeding America dry through

2490
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,000
its central banking system, its environmental death cult,

2491
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,220
and its endless imperial wars.

2492
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:53,000
I'm Susan Kokinda, and I've been tracking this

2493
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,960
imperial system for over five decades.

2494
01:27:55,620 --> 01:27:58,280
I've documented how these same royal families created

2495
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,900
the Federal Reserve, launched the environmental movement, and

2496
01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:03,660
started every major war.

2497
01:28:03,940 --> 01:28:05,300
So she had my attention.

2498
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:07,040
I'm like, huh, that's interesting.

2499
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:08,340
Mainly because...

2500
01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:09,860
Since you're Dutch and lived in England.

2501
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:10,400
Yes.

2502
01:28:10,580 --> 01:28:12,100
I'm like, huh, okay.

2503
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:13,260
Continue, please.

2504
01:28:13,380 --> 01:28:16,440
Today, I'm exposing three fronts in Trump's war

2505
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:18,120
against the European oligarchies.

2506
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,520
First, how King Charles and the Dutch are

2507
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,260
desperately keeping Ukraine burning.

2508
01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:26,020
Second, how Trump's economic policies are dismantling their

2509
01:28:26,020 --> 01:28:28,900
centuries-old ideology of environmental destruction.

2510
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,860
And third, how his Fed battle strikes at

2511
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:34,960
the very heart of the financial empire that's

2512
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,540
ruled the United States since 1913.

2513
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,780
So why is the Ukraine war continuing when

2514
01:28:40,780 --> 01:28:42,740
Trump has a clear mandate to end it,

2515
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:44,540
and he wants to end the killing?

2516
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,600
Because of the empire's stranglehold over Europe.

2517
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,240
So look at this.

2518
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,820
The very first European country to pony up

2519
01:28:51,820 --> 01:28:55,360
almost $600 million in arms purchases from the

2520
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,340
United States to keep the Ukraine conflict going

2521
01:28:58,340 --> 01:28:59,700
is the Netherlands.

2522
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,240
$600 million.

2523
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:02,480
That's a small country.

2524
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:05,140
This is the Netherlands, as in the Dutch

2525
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:07,780
half of the Anglo-Dutch imperial system.

2526
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:10,560
And the other European countries that immediately jumped

2527
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:10,820
in?

2528
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,920
Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

2529
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,160
Notice something?

2530
01:29:14,460 --> 01:29:15,460
They're all monarchies.

2531
01:29:15,460 --> 01:29:17,720
You can use your favorite AI to look

2532
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,240
at the ties between these royal families and

2533
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:21,080
the British monarchy.

2534
01:29:21,220 --> 01:29:22,740
So I don't need to use AI because

2535
01:29:22,740 --> 01:29:26,060
I know the history of the monarchies.

2536
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,640
And as I'm thinking about this, I'm like,

2537
01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:31,900
where did Trump's Russia problems really stem from?

2538
01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:37,340
The Steele report, Christopher Steele, former MI6 agent.

2539
01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:41,020
We have British journalists showing up in our

2540
01:29:41,020 --> 01:29:43,460
news all the time because, is it just

2541
01:29:43,460 --> 01:29:45,200
because they sound authoritative?

2542
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,740
Robert Maxwell.

2543
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,100
Very interesting if you tie that into Jelay

2544
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:50,500
Maxwell.

2545
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:54,420
Yes, he was an agent, they say, for

2546
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:57,020
Mossad, but he was also an MI6 agent.

2547
01:29:57,140 --> 01:29:59,160
This was the big thing, is that he

2548
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,280
was a double agent.

2549
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,540
Soros started his career with banks as part

2550
01:30:04,540 --> 01:30:05,680
of the City of London.

2551
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:11,360
The big banks, ING Group, Dutch, HSBC Holdings

2552
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:16,240
operating from British colonial Hong Kong, Barclays, JPMorgan

2553
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,060
Chase, now mainly, primarily American, but it has

2554
01:30:19,060 --> 01:30:25,100
Anglo roots, Rutgers University, Columbia University, Hofstra, Harvard,

2555
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:32,860
Cambridge, Yale, Pharmaceuticals, Glaxo, Viatris, AstraZeneca, Media and

2556
01:30:32,860 --> 01:30:36,520
Publishing, Reed Elsevier, now it's the Relics Group,

2557
01:30:36,980 --> 01:30:39,880
Thomson Reuters, where most of our news comes

2558
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,600
from, is regurgitated from Reuters.

2559
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,780
Education, Pearson, publishing giant in education.

2560
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:53,240
Energy, Shell, BP, retail consumer goods for advertising,

2561
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:59,720
Ahold, Dutch, big corporation, Unilever, Dutch, US, Dutch,

2562
01:30:59,980 --> 01:31:00,500
British.

2563
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,240
ASML, big part of our chip manufacturing.

2564
01:31:06,820 --> 01:31:11,440
I just had never really considered, particularly seeing

2565
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:13,520
now what the EU is doing and how

2566
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,600
badly they want war and what President Trump,

2567
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,480
if you look at it in that light,

2568
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,620
and he says, I'm going after the people

2569
01:31:20,620 --> 01:31:23,640
that are funding all of this stuff, it

2570
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,220
put my head in a different space and

2571
01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:26,880
I can't make any conclusions.

2572
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:29,800
I don't know if you're rolling your eyes,

2573
01:31:29,940 --> 01:31:33,000
but I'm like, you know, there's something to

2574
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,080
this and I'm going to go down this

2575
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,180
rabbit hole for a while.

2576
01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:39,120
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased as punch that

2577
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,140
Adam is back to his crackpot status, which

2578
01:31:42,140 --> 01:31:44,340
will improve the show to no end.

2579
01:31:47,180 --> 01:31:49,740
People have always bitched and moaned about this

2580
01:31:49,740 --> 01:31:51,440
and now it's back.

2581
01:31:51,660 --> 01:31:53,140
Well, I can't just do it on demand.

2582
01:31:53,140 --> 01:31:55,480
I like it, but hey, I'm not rolling

2583
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:56,140
my eyes at all.

2584
01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:58,680
I think it's great.

2585
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,100
Well, thank you.

2586
01:32:01,820 --> 01:32:05,260
Kind of unexpected, but the thing the thing

2587
01:32:05,260 --> 01:32:07,100
that got me was Christopher Steele.

2588
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,240
That that report, that's what started it.

2589
01:32:10,740 --> 01:32:12,400
And now it's a it's a confluence of

2590
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,320
a whole bunch of things that Christopher Steele

2591
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,200
is a trigger, but that those women and

2592
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:18,600
when she says she's been doing this for

2593
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,860
50 years, I believe she probably has been

2594
01:32:20,860 --> 01:32:23,800
and she's probably so deep, deep down in

2595
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,700
the hole that that should provide some very

2596
01:32:27,700 --> 01:32:29,340
entertaining segments for the show.

2597
01:32:29,620 --> 01:32:31,320
Yes, well, you're going to get them for

2598
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:31,720
sure.

2599
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:33,200
Yeah, this is great.

2600
01:32:33,340 --> 01:32:34,760
Look at this is just what we needed

2601
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:35,880
for second half of the show.

2602
01:32:36,060 --> 01:32:37,140
Well, I'm not going to put it in

2603
01:32:37,140 --> 01:32:37,480
second.

2604
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,120
Look at look at the first big.

2605
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,020
Casualty of Epstein information being released.

2606
01:32:49,450 --> 01:32:52,710
UK ambassador to the US, Mandelson, one week

2607
01:32:52,710 --> 01:32:55,230
before President Trump is scheduled to go over

2608
01:32:55,230 --> 01:32:56,910
there and have some kind of meeting.

2609
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:59,130
It's very possible.

2610
01:32:59,430 --> 01:33:02,750
You know, his background is Scottish, but we've

2611
01:33:02,750 --> 01:33:04,830
actually had clips on this show that indicate

2612
01:33:04,830 --> 01:33:07,870
that the British in particular, I never thought

2613
01:33:07,870 --> 01:33:09,950
of the Dutch as part of it.

2614
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:11,510
But OK, the Dutch are one of the

2615
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:11,710
largest.

2616
01:33:12,190 --> 01:33:14,790
The Dutch are one of the largest investors

2617
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:16,030
in the United States.

2618
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:19,650
The British in particular have always been trying

2619
01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:20,770
to run games on.

2620
01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:21,510
They hate us.

2621
01:33:21,630 --> 01:33:23,310
They never they never got over it.

2622
01:33:23,810 --> 01:33:25,270
They never got over.

2623
01:33:25,290 --> 01:33:26,450
I believe that to be true.

2624
01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:29,330
Now, they've never gotten over the fact that,

2625
01:33:30,190 --> 01:33:32,410
in fact, if you read, I've always noticed

2626
01:33:32,410 --> 01:33:36,350
this because I'm a book collector, among other

2627
01:33:36,350 --> 01:33:36,770
things.

2628
01:33:37,490 --> 01:33:39,430
And so I have a lot of history

2629
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:46,090
books that were written between 1860 and 1910.

2630
01:33:47,310 --> 01:33:48,750
And there's a lot of history books written

2631
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:48,990
in there.

2632
01:33:48,990 --> 01:33:53,150
And after World War One, these books all

2633
01:33:53,150 --> 01:33:53,510
changed.

2634
01:33:53,650 --> 01:33:56,790
But before World War One, these history books,

2635
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:59,390
you can find any old history book and

2636
01:33:59,390 --> 01:34:02,110
start reading about the British and the hatred

2637
01:34:02,110 --> 01:34:04,970
and vitriol that is expressed in these history

2638
01:34:04,970 --> 01:34:06,850
books is unbelievable.

2639
01:34:07,630 --> 01:34:10,470
It was just we hated them and hated

2640
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:12,430
them and hated them until they suckered us

2641
01:34:12,430 --> 01:34:13,570
into World War One.

2642
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:16,630
And then all of a sudden, the propaganda

2643
01:34:16,630 --> 01:34:18,270
machine got into play.

2644
01:34:18,270 --> 01:34:20,010
We had the Bernays phenomenon.

2645
01:34:20,210 --> 01:34:21,470
We had all the public relations.

2646
01:34:22,030 --> 01:34:22,990
All this came into play.

2647
01:34:23,430 --> 01:34:24,110
Bertrand Russell.

2648
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:26,330
And the next thing you know, right.

2649
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:27,230
Bertrand was British.

2650
01:34:27,570 --> 01:34:29,150
And the next thing you know, we're big

2651
01:34:29,150 --> 01:34:29,870
British powers.

2652
01:34:30,090 --> 01:34:31,730
Austin Powers, big troublemaker.

2653
01:34:32,710 --> 01:34:33,190
Anglophiles.

2654
01:34:33,790 --> 01:34:36,110
After hating and hating and hating on them

2655
01:34:36,110 --> 01:34:37,210
for over 100 years.

2656
01:34:37,290 --> 01:34:39,390
Who brought us the slaves, the Dutch?

2657
01:34:40,770 --> 01:34:41,850
Yeah, they transported.

2658
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:46,270
Who who wage war on China with the

2659
01:34:46,270 --> 01:34:47,090
opium wars?

2660
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:48,030
Yeah.

2661
01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:49,670
And we're paying the penalty for that.

2662
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:52,730
And who has an opioid problem right now?

2663
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:54,290
Where are these precursors made?

2664
01:34:55,010 --> 01:34:56,930
Could that be one of the big pharmaceuticals?

2665
01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:00,270
There's a lot of open questions.

2666
01:35:00,650 --> 01:35:02,470
I'm all I'm I'll be all in on

2667
01:35:02,470 --> 01:35:03,450
you doing this.

2668
01:35:03,850 --> 01:35:05,790
Well, you just you're in your new beat.

2669
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:07,030
It is my new beat.

2670
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:08,150
And the other thing.

2671
01:35:08,230 --> 01:35:09,070
So get off Fox.

2672
01:35:09,250 --> 01:35:11,730
There was you're the you're the Fox guy.

2673
01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:12,690
I'm not really on Fox.

2674
01:35:13,170 --> 01:35:18,650
Um, it was hot when when Putin and

2675
01:35:18,650 --> 01:35:21,950
Xi and Modi, they all got together.

2676
01:35:22,170 --> 01:35:25,570
And it wasn't really played up much.

2677
01:35:25,690 --> 01:35:27,850
But there was, from what I understand, there

2678
01:35:27,850 --> 01:35:31,650
was talk about building energy projects in Russia

2679
01:35:31,650 --> 01:35:35,710
with what's our Westinghouse, which doesn't seem like

2680
01:35:35,710 --> 01:35:37,770
you're anti American if you want to build

2681
01:35:37,770 --> 01:35:41,110
an energy project in Russia with Westinghouse.

2682
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:44,290
But it was always the finance minister.

2683
01:35:44,510 --> 01:35:46,710
I haven't I haven't been able to find

2684
01:35:46,710 --> 01:35:46,930
it yet.

2685
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:50,170
But he posted two pictures, like mean pictures,

2686
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:52,850
like AI, generally like no agenda art generator

2687
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:53,290
stuff.

2688
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:56,450
And one was with, you know, like the

2689
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:59,950
the the panda bear and the Russian bear.

2690
01:36:00,390 --> 01:36:01,410
And what do you have?

2691
01:36:01,510 --> 01:36:02,570
What is India's symbol?

2692
01:36:02,670 --> 01:36:03,850
What kind of animal do they have?

2693
01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:06,130
Oh, it's a good question.

2694
01:36:06,230 --> 01:36:07,030
I forget what it is.

2695
01:36:07,090 --> 01:36:07,750
Someone in the chat.

2696
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:09,510
And so they had those three and then

2697
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:11,670
one underneath it, adding the United States and

2698
01:36:11,670 --> 01:36:12,730
had the U.S. flag.

2699
01:36:13,050 --> 01:36:15,010
And it was which one would you prefer?

2700
01:36:17,150 --> 01:36:21,570
And I'm just thinking, you know, how Trump

2701
01:36:21,570 --> 01:36:25,090
really wants to do business with Russia.

2702
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:28,890
President Putin got a great relationship with him.

2703
01:36:29,410 --> 01:36:31,510
President Xi, I got a great, great relationship

2704
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:32,130
with him.

2705
01:36:33,850 --> 01:36:35,690
Modi, good guy.

2706
01:36:36,630 --> 01:36:38,930
OK, he's impressed with Modi in a different

2707
01:36:38,930 --> 01:36:41,370
way, because if you recall, during his first

2708
01:36:41,370 --> 01:36:42,790
term, he went to a rally.

2709
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:45,890
Yeah, the big rally in the in the

2710
01:36:45,890 --> 01:36:46,230
stadium.

2711
01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:46,710
Oh, yeah.

2712
01:36:46,830 --> 01:36:48,990
And it made it made Trump's rallies look

2713
01:36:48,990 --> 01:36:50,050
like small potatoes.

2714
01:36:50,050 --> 01:36:52,510
And Trump had these massive rallies compared to

2715
01:36:52,510 --> 01:36:53,270
everybody else.

2716
01:36:53,370 --> 01:36:53,910
He loved it.

2717
01:36:53,950 --> 01:36:55,910
He loved he was so impressed with it.

2718
01:36:55,930 --> 01:36:56,230
Wow.

2719
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:57,310
How do you do this?

2720
01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:00,110
Hundreds of thousands of people in this massive

2721
01:37:00,110 --> 01:37:00,630
stadium.

2722
01:37:00,630 --> 01:37:04,970
So so just for a moment, I'm just

2723
01:37:04,970 --> 01:37:09,790
imagining what if President Trump is completely savvy

2724
01:37:09,790 --> 01:37:10,230
to this?

2725
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:11,770
He's known this from the get go.

2726
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:14,270
And this would be the five D chess

2727
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:15,410
that everyone talks about.

2728
01:37:15,690 --> 01:37:18,510
And he's like, how do we bring down?

2729
01:37:18,890 --> 01:37:21,390
Because remember, it's Swift is not run by

2730
01:37:21,390 --> 01:37:22,170
the Federal Reserve.

2731
01:37:22,370 --> 01:37:23,950
Swift is run out of Brussels.

2732
01:37:24,970 --> 01:37:27,830
The, you know, the Bank of the the

2733
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:30,590
city of London, they're the ones that screwed

2734
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:32,850
up the dollar with the trade that kind

2735
01:37:32,850 --> 01:37:35,530
of, you know, that necessitated all kinds of

2736
01:37:35,530 --> 01:37:37,230
changes to the financial systems.

2737
01:37:37,570 --> 01:37:41,510
The forex trade, you know, the LIBOR scandal,

2738
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:44,890
LIBOR scandal, which screwed up our interest rates.

2739
01:37:45,050 --> 01:37:46,950
All of these things all came out of

2740
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:49,710
the Anglo Dutch monarchy organizations.

2741
01:37:49,710 --> 01:37:50,670
I got to come up with a better

2742
01:37:50,670 --> 01:37:51,050
acronym.

2743
01:37:51,210 --> 01:37:53,150
These ladies have the Anglo Dutch system is

2744
01:37:53,150 --> 01:37:53,570
no good.

2745
01:37:53,570 --> 01:37:56,690
It's like, you know, the limey Gouda head

2746
01:37:56,690 --> 01:37:57,450
system, whatever.

2747
01:37:57,610 --> 01:37:58,330
We'll come up with something.

2748
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:59,090
I'm working on it.

2749
01:37:59,570 --> 01:38:02,410
But what if he really wants to team

2750
01:38:02,410 --> 01:38:06,690
up with India, China, Russia and bring those

2751
01:38:06,690 --> 01:38:11,430
those Brits down and those and those flatlanders

2752
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:13,470
for once and for all?

2753
01:38:14,050 --> 01:38:16,950
Well, you always get the impression, especially during

2754
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:19,350
when Trump was out and Biden was in

2755
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:22,570
and even before Trump, that Putin has been

2756
01:38:22,570 --> 01:38:24,650
aware of something like this.

2757
01:38:25,090 --> 01:38:26,990
Yeah, because he acts like it.

2758
01:38:27,030 --> 01:38:28,230
And he always he was blaming for.

2759
01:38:28,350 --> 01:38:29,450
He says, you know, the people are getting

2760
01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:30,970
suckered into this and that and the other

2761
01:38:30,970 --> 01:38:31,310
thing.

2762
01:38:31,490 --> 01:38:35,790
And it's possible that Putin is clued in.

2763
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:38,410
I mean, it's perfect for the show.

2764
01:38:38,470 --> 01:38:39,370
Let me put it that way.

2765
01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:41,950
It has a lot of legs.

2766
01:38:42,710 --> 01:38:44,090
It's a bottomless pit.

2767
01:38:44,450 --> 01:38:47,370
Yes, for 50 years, more years.

2768
01:38:48,450 --> 01:38:49,550
50 years.

2769
01:38:50,150 --> 01:38:55,590
And so, yeah, I'm totally a subscriber to

2770
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:56,530
these sorts of things.

2771
01:38:56,890 --> 01:38:59,030
And so if you're talking about just to

2772
01:38:59,030 --> 01:39:01,610
briefly bring it back to Charlie Kirk, if

2773
01:39:01,610 --> 01:39:03,890
you're talking about some kind of professional hit

2774
01:39:03,890 --> 01:39:06,950
with a patsy that is meant to destabilize

2775
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:11,070
America's youth, our political system, get when you

2776
01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:14,430
have people fighting each other, that's that's how

2777
01:39:14,430 --> 01:39:15,150
you conquer them.

2778
01:39:15,530 --> 01:39:16,370
It's obvious.

2779
01:39:16,930 --> 01:39:19,150
And the fact that the president said, I'm

2780
01:39:19,150 --> 01:39:21,270
going after the people who finance it.

2781
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:27,530
That's like, OK, and that's clearly the Soros

2782
01:39:27,530 --> 01:39:30,910
clearly is from the U.K. banking system.

2783
01:39:32,230 --> 01:39:33,690
And by the way, these people don't care

2784
01:39:33,690 --> 01:39:34,630
about the Brits either.

2785
01:39:34,730 --> 01:39:35,470
They do not care.

2786
01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:37,050
They just care about the empire.

2787
01:39:37,610 --> 01:39:38,970
And, you know, we've been watching we watch

2788
01:39:38,970 --> 01:39:43,670
the Gilded Age, where all of the it's

2789
01:39:43,670 --> 01:39:45,590
actually a lot of the Dutch were in

2790
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:46,750
New York early.

2791
01:39:47,070 --> 01:39:49,910
You know, the New Amsterdam, New Amsterdam, the

2792
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:50,590
Driesmans.

2793
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:53,350
This is the early rise of J.P.

2794
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:53,670
Morgan.

2795
01:39:53,870 --> 01:39:55,870
And of course, after that, we went back

2796
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:58,750
and we're watching Downton Abbey, which is actually

2797
01:39:58,750 --> 01:40:02,470
quite enjoyable, mainly from the historical perspective.

2798
01:40:02,890 --> 01:40:04,910
And you just see like, yeah, man, I

2799
01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:05,950
can't believe these Brits.

2800
01:40:06,090 --> 01:40:08,130
We kicked their butt and that was it.

2801
01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:10,490
That the pride went away.

2802
01:40:10,570 --> 01:40:11,710
I don't believe it for a second.

2803
01:40:11,710 --> 01:40:14,810
Not from these families and the monarchies and

2804
01:40:14,810 --> 01:40:16,650
how everyone's connected and inbred.

2805
01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:19,610
And it's only 250 years ago.

2806
01:40:19,710 --> 01:40:20,830
That's not very long.

2807
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:22,670
Amsterdam was the center.

2808
01:40:22,970 --> 01:40:24,770
They invented the stock exchange.

2809
01:40:25,610 --> 01:40:27,470
They invented the whole concept.

2810
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:31,790
They invented the Ponzi scheme or the I'm

2811
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:32,830
sorry, tulip mania.

2812
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:35,610
Ponzi scheme, I think, was invented in Italy.

2813
01:40:35,890 --> 01:40:36,530
Yeah, the bubble.

2814
01:40:36,730 --> 01:40:38,290
They invented the bubble.

2815
01:40:38,910 --> 01:40:40,710
So all of these things, if you go

2816
01:40:40,710 --> 01:40:42,790
back and we never we never taught this

2817
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:43,310
in school.

2818
01:40:43,470 --> 01:40:45,770
We never go back far enough into history

2819
01:40:45,770 --> 01:40:47,030
to even think about these things.

2820
01:40:47,150 --> 01:40:51,390
Murica, you know, 70s, because to kids, world

2821
01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:52,450
history is boring.

2822
01:40:52,650 --> 01:40:56,350
But but my experience with history and people

2823
01:40:56,350 --> 01:40:58,990
who teach it, it's not boring in the

2824
01:40:58,990 --> 01:40:59,410
least.

2825
01:40:59,410 --> 01:41:01,390
It's the teachers who are boring.

2826
01:41:01,810 --> 01:41:02,130
Yes.

2827
01:41:02,810 --> 01:41:05,070
So this kind of fits in with this

2828
01:41:05,070 --> 01:41:05,550
latest.

2829
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:09,750
This latest move by the president against the

2830
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:10,890
NATO allies.

2831
01:41:11,530 --> 01:41:14,550
US President Donald Trump on Saturday called on

2832
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:17,090
NATO allies to stop buying Russian oil while

2833
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:19,850
also threatening China with massive tariffs for its

2834
01:41:19,850 --> 01:41:21,570
own purchases of Russian petroleum.

2835
01:41:23,090 --> 01:41:25,430
In a social media post, Trump called the

2836
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:28,650
oil buying by some NATO members shocking, saying

2837
01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:31,990
it greatly weakens the alliance's negotiating position.

2838
01:41:32,130 --> 01:41:33,050
Russian Federation.

2839
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:35,510
While attacking his comments come just days after

2840
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:39,150
Russian drones violated Polish airspace, prompting NATO to

2841
01:41:39,150 --> 01:41:42,330
launch a new Eastern Sentry deterrence program type

2842
01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:44,650
objects into Polish airspace.

2843
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:47,230
The remarks also follow last month's summit in

2844
01:41:47,230 --> 01:41:49,530
Alaska between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which failed

2845
01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:51,590
to achieve a breakthrough on ending the war.

2846
01:41:52,250 --> 01:41:55,470
Several NATO members, including Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia,

2847
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:57,570
continue to be major buyers of Russian oil

2848
01:41:57,570 --> 01:41:58,910
after the invasion of Ukraine.

2849
01:41:59,470 --> 01:42:01,770
D.C. Trump also repeated his claim that

2850
01:42:01,770 --> 01:42:04,710
the conflict is Biden's and Zelensky's war and

2851
01:42:04,710 --> 01:42:06,490
would not have occurred if he had been

2852
01:42:06,490 --> 01:42:08,870
president when it began in early 2022.

2853
01:42:09,230 --> 01:42:11,070
So President Trump is saying, yeah, sure, I'll

2854
01:42:11,070 --> 01:42:11,930
do sanctions.

2855
01:42:12,010 --> 01:42:14,810
You guys stop buying their oil, which would

2856
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:17,110
cripple them because we all know that they're

2857
01:42:17,110 --> 01:42:18,110
buying Russian oil.

2858
01:42:19,290 --> 01:42:20,610
It would cripple them.

2859
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:22,930
So this seems like a like a by

2860
01:42:22,930 --> 01:42:24,530
the way, it's a pretty good trick.

2861
01:42:24,530 --> 01:42:26,650
By the way, I was just thinking, wouldn't

2862
01:42:26,650 --> 01:42:29,530
it be so typical for the and when

2863
01:42:29,530 --> 01:42:31,490
I say Anglo Dutch, I'm talking about the

2864
01:42:31,490 --> 01:42:33,350
Dutch people or the or the British people.

2865
01:42:33,570 --> 01:42:35,550
I'm talking about the Anglo Dutch system.

2866
01:42:36,690 --> 01:42:38,310
To get everyone to blame it all on

2867
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:39,810
the Jews, you can just see them laughing

2868
01:42:39,810 --> 01:42:40,330
about that.

2869
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:43,370
We got to blame the Jews for it.

2870
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:44,390
They're bankers.

2871
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:45,450
Yes, exactly.

2872
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:47,970
And the Rothschilds are involved.

2873
01:42:48,230 --> 01:42:48,450
Yeah.

2874
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:49,230
Oh, yeah.

2875
01:42:49,390 --> 01:42:50,490
Wouldn't it be fantastic?

2876
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:53,010
Here's something I don't think they're going to

2877
01:42:53,010 --> 01:42:53,670
do that.

2878
01:42:53,670 --> 01:42:55,870
Well, they're not, but it's happening.

2879
01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:56,850
It's happening.

2880
01:42:57,030 --> 01:43:00,210
I think that's I don't know what's going

2881
01:43:00,210 --> 01:43:00,570
on there.

2882
01:43:00,630 --> 01:43:02,010
I think there's an explanation.

2883
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:04,890
Well, here is they're blaming the Jews.

2884
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:05,910
I think they're really out there.

2885
01:43:05,970 --> 01:43:08,130
Something about Netanyahu they have to deal with

2886
01:43:08,130 --> 01:43:09,070
and they don't like him.

2887
01:43:09,790 --> 01:43:10,550
No, there's that, too.

2888
01:43:11,450 --> 01:43:12,670
There's a lot of things not to like

2889
01:43:12,670 --> 01:43:13,070
about him.

2890
01:43:13,790 --> 01:43:15,350
He's not a player, probably.

2891
01:43:16,110 --> 01:43:19,590
Uh, here is a little too short clip

2892
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:23,690
breakdown from my boy Andrew Rasulis on on

2893
01:43:23,690 --> 01:43:27,470
Trump's message here that is, hey, you stop

2894
01:43:27,470 --> 01:43:29,510
buying your oil, then we'll put some sanctions

2895
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:29,830
on.

2896
01:43:30,030 --> 01:43:32,710
Joining us now is Andrew Rasulis, retired official

2897
01:43:32,710 --> 01:43:34,810
of the Department of National Defense.

2898
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:36,630
Mr. Rasulis, welcome.

2899
01:43:36,970 --> 01:43:38,890
What do you make of Trump's calls today

2900
01:43:38,890 --> 01:43:40,350
on NATO allies?

2901
01:43:40,510 --> 01:43:42,330
Do you think it could make any difference

2902
01:43:42,330 --> 01:43:44,470
on Russia's stance at this point?

2903
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:47,270
I don't think it'll even get there because

2904
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:49,010
it's a very weak statement.

2905
01:43:49,650 --> 01:43:52,130
It carries a very large if and the

2906
01:43:52,130 --> 01:43:56,210
if is all European countries stop importing Russian

2907
01:43:56,210 --> 01:43:56,530
oil.

2908
01:43:57,170 --> 01:44:01,910
Now, that means chiefly Hungary, Slovakia and Turkey,

2909
01:44:02,130 --> 01:44:04,830
which import vast amounts of Russian oil.

2910
01:44:05,530 --> 01:44:09,110
Their economies are dependent on cheap Russian oil

2911
01:44:09,110 --> 01:44:12,450
to now expect that they will do Trump's

2912
01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:15,950
bidding and stop with the sort of underlying

2913
01:44:15,950 --> 01:44:19,970
understanding that the Americans will then put some

2914
01:44:19,970 --> 01:44:22,850
undefined sanctions on top of all the other

2915
01:44:22,850 --> 01:44:25,250
sanctions that he put on Russia and somehow

2916
01:44:25,250 --> 01:44:26,650
bring the war to an end.

2917
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:31,390
I think this is a very illusory statement

2918
01:44:31,390 --> 01:44:32,230
by the president.

2919
01:44:32,450 --> 01:44:33,790
I don't think there's much to it.

2920
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:36,410
Yeah, well, because it's a troll, basically.

2921
01:44:38,010 --> 01:44:40,170
And of course, we want to know how

2922
01:44:40,170 --> 01:44:42,050
this might affect China if it does at

2923
01:44:42,050 --> 01:44:42,290
all.

2924
01:44:42,810 --> 01:44:46,490
What about China, who he directly called out?

2925
01:44:46,830 --> 01:44:49,430
What sort of impact could tariffs have there?

2926
01:44:50,150 --> 01:44:50,710
Well, exactly.

2927
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:53,270
I mean, he did on India.

2928
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:53,690
All right.

2929
01:44:53,730 --> 01:44:55,090
He did on India and it had no

2930
01:44:55,090 --> 01:44:55,430
effect.

2931
01:44:55,630 --> 01:44:56,990
The Indians have said, forget it.

2932
01:44:57,010 --> 01:44:58,530
We're going to continue to buy Russian oil

2933
01:44:58,530 --> 01:45:00,670
despite the tariffs imposed on them by the

2934
01:45:00,670 --> 01:45:01,350
United States.

2935
01:45:01,710 --> 01:45:04,370
On China, it's a very different degree.

2936
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:08,590
The Chinese import the most of Russian oil

2937
01:45:08,590 --> 01:45:12,510
and the Americans depend very much on Chinese

2938
01:45:12,510 --> 01:45:14,010
trade bilaterally.

2939
01:45:14,430 --> 01:45:17,490
So if they impose tariffs on China for

2940
01:45:17,490 --> 01:45:20,590
goods entering the United States, this will have

2941
01:45:20,590 --> 01:45:23,970
a significant impact on the American economy and

2942
01:45:23,970 --> 01:45:24,970
American consumers.

2943
01:45:25,550 --> 01:45:28,570
So Trump has never actually followed through on

2944
01:45:28,570 --> 01:45:28,790
this.

2945
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:30,670
He's been saying that this has been going

2946
01:45:30,670 --> 01:45:32,530
for weeks now, but he's pulled back.

2947
01:45:32,530 --> 01:45:34,470
Because that is impractical.

2948
01:45:34,890 --> 01:45:39,190
So basically, there are very strict limits as

2949
01:45:39,190 --> 01:45:41,230
to what the United States and Europeans or

2950
01:45:41,230 --> 01:45:43,850
Canadians can do to actually affect the Russian

2951
01:45:43,850 --> 01:45:44,350
economy.

2952
01:45:44,990 --> 01:45:46,490
Yeah, he doesn't actually want to.

2953
01:45:46,710 --> 01:45:49,630
Now, through this new lens, he doesn't want

2954
01:45:49,630 --> 01:45:50,230
to do that.

2955
01:45:50,770 --> 01:45:52,670
We want to screw those guys over there.

2956
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:54,790
And I think if you were to flip

2957
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:56,910
the bricks on its head and make it

2958
01:45:56,910 --> 01:46:02,470
the A-bricks, America, Brazil, Russia, India, China,

2959
01:46:03,310 --> 01:46:05,890
South Africa, we'll just add them in there.

2960
01:46:06,110 --> 01:46:09,310
Which, I mean, hey, boys, guess what?

2961
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:11,810
We're all going to use this stable coin

2962
01:46:11,810 --> 01:46:12,390
over here.

2963
01:46:12,890 --> 01:46:15,690
Screw those Europeans with their digital euro.

2964
01:46:16,190 --> 01:46:17,210
Cue Lagarde.

2965
01:46:17,530 --> 01:46:20,690
One year on from the release of Mario

2966
01:46:20,690 --> 01:46:23,870
Draghi's report on the future of European competitiveness,

2967
01:46:24,270 --> 01:46:27,530
it remains essential to follow up on its

2968
01:46:27,530 --> 01:46:32,070
recommendations with further concrete action and to accelerate

2969
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:36,190
implementation in line with the European Commission's roadmap.

2970
01:46:37,670 --> 01:46:41,910
Governments should prioritize growth-enhancing structural reforms and

2971
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:46,130
strategic investment while ensuring sustainable public finance.

2972
01:46:47,090 --> 01:46:50,950
It is critical to complete the Savings and

2973
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:54,290
Investment Union and the Banking Union to an

2974
01:46:54,290 --> 01:46:58,350
ambitious timetable and to rapidly establish the legislative

2975
01:46:58,350 --> 01:47:02,030
framework for the potential introduction of our digital

2976
01:47:02,030 --> 01:47:02,450
euro.

2977
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:04,950
Too little, too late, baby.

2978
01:47:05,450 --> 01:47:06,450
You can't catch up.

2979
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:07,610
Stable coin is here.

2980
01:47:11,450 --> 01:47:13,090
It's much more fun to look at the

2981
01:47:13,090 --> 01:47:13,750
world this way.

2982
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,640
No wonder people want to leave Britain.

2983
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,380
Oh, yeah, it's getting bad.

2984
01:47:20,620 --> 01:47:21,700
You saw the protest.

2985
01:47:22,660 --> 01:47:23,600
I have a clip.

2986
01:47:23,820 --> 01:47:25,760
Okay, let me see.

2987
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:27,240
London.

2988
01:47:28,140 --> 01:47:29,080
Huge protest.

2989
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:30,840
Easy to find.

2990
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,900
A far-right protest turned violent in London

2991
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:34,360
today.

2992
01:47:34,660 --> 01:47:37,440
Vicki Barker has this report from the British

2993
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:37,960
capital.

2994
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,680
Chanting anti-immigrant slogans and waving flags, though

2995
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:47,660
marchers, more than 100,000, police estimate, filled

2996
01:47:47,660 --> 01:47:49,500
the streets of central London.

2997
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:53,300
And they heard the anti-immigrant, anti-Islam

2998
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:56,720
activist Tommy Robinson tell them to savour the

2999
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:58,860
moment, to feel their strength.

3000
01:47:59,020 --> 01:48:02,840
You are part of a tidal wave of

3001
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:07,000
patriotism that is sweeping across this country.

3002
01:48:07,340 --> 01:48:09,840
Britain, he said, has finally awoken.

3003
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:15,260
A few thousand counter-demonstrators from the group

3004
01:48:15,260 --> 01:48:18,000
Stand Up to Racism held their rally a

3005
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,380
few hundred yards away.

3006
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:21,900
It was like a hundred thousand versus it

3007
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:23,040
looked like a thousand.

3008
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:25,200
Yeah, that's what they said in the report.

3009
01:48:25,340 --> 01:48:26,040
A hundred thousand.

3010
01:48:26,220 --> 01:48:27,780
And then, of course, why even mention the

3011
01:48:27,780 --> 01:48:28,220
other groups?

3012
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:31,140
Only, you know, one one hundredth away.

3013
01:48:31,300 --> 01:48:32,500
You guys are racist.

3014
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,980
Yeah, who had the professionally printed signs?

3015
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:38,740
The smaller group, of course.

3016
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:42,720
But meanwhile, some of this pressure may be

3017
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:43,600
having an effect.

3018
01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:46,740
And this is why this is why a

3019
01:48:46,740 --> 01:48:48,020
war economy is needed.

3020
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:50,700
This is why we're going to we'll get

3021
01:48:50,700 --> 01:48:52,600
into Eastern Century.

3022
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,320
France is teetering.

3023
01:48:55,460 --> 01:48:57,820
France's sovereign credit score is at its lowest

3024
01:48:57,820 --> 01:48:58,820
level on record.

3025
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:02,160
Previously rated AA minus, the country has been

3026
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:04,520
downgraded by one notch to A plus by

3027
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,040
credit rating agency Fitch.

3028
01:49:06,380 --> 01:49:08,740
The agency explains this is a consequence of

3029
01:49:08,740 --> 01:49:10,360
continuing political instability.

3030
01:49:11,060 --> 01:49:13,060
They say the government's defeat in a confidence

3031
01:49:13,060 --> 01:49:16,660
vote illustrates the increased fragmentation and polarization of

3032
01:49:16,660 --> 01:49:17,560
domestic politics.

3033
01:49:18,020 --> 01:49:21,340
This instability weakens the political system's capacity to

3034
01:49:21,340 --> 01:49:23,560
deliver substantial fiscal consolidation.

3035
01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:27,200
In its report, Fitch paints a grim picture

3036
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,220
of the state of France's public finances.

3037
01:49:30,180 --> 01:49:32,520
According to the agency, the deficit is expected

3038
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,280
to remain above five percent next year, and

3039
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,180
debt is expected to rise to one hundred

3040
01:49:37,180 --> 01:49:39,380
and twenty one percent of GDP in twenty

3041
01:49:39,380 --> 01:49:41,760
twenty seven, up from one hundred and fourteen

3042
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:42,580
percent today.

3043
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,420
For this economist, the downgrade has limited but

3044
01:49:45,420 --> 01:49:46,460
real consequences.

3045
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,500
The impact of this downgrade is a lower

3046
01:49:50,500 --> 01:49:53,820
quality debt, meaning certainly an increase in risk

3047
01:49:53,820 --> 01:49:54,720
that could continue.

3048
01:49:55,480 --> 01:49:57,820
And so this concretely means for France an

3049
01:49:57,820 --> 01:50:00,620
increased debt burden, which means a higher level

3050
01:50:00,620 --> 01:50:02,740
of interest that it repays each year.

3051
01:50:04,620 --> 01:50:07,400
The outgoing minister of the economy, Eric Lombard,

3052
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,240
has taken note of Fitch's decision.

3053
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,180
The new prime minister, Sebastian Le Corneau's mission

3054
01:50:12,180 --> 01:50:14,240
is to present a budget that's acceptable to

3055
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:14,800
the opposition.

3056
01:50:15,740 --> 01:50:17,640
Both those on the left and the right

3057
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,140
have opposing ideas of how to balance France's

3058
01:50:20,140 --> 01:50:20,400
books.

3059
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,420
These divisions will make a consensus difficult to

3060
01:50:23,420 --> 01:50:23,880
achieve.

3061
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,500
The difficulty is you don't have your own

3062
01:50:26,500 --> 01:50:27,340
money anymore.

3063
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:28,960
That's the difficulty.

3064
01:50:29,180 --> 01:50:30,760
Once you went on the euro, you can't

3065
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:32,480
inflate your way out of a out of

3066
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:33,660
a crisis like this.

3067
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:36,260
Yeah, the Greeks taught us that.

3068
01:50:36,380 --> 01:50:39,260
Yes, austerity measures coming to France and they're

3069
01:50:39,260 --> 01:50:40,400
not going to like it.

3070
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,620
And then we have and we have another

3071
01:50:43,620 --> 01:50:45,280
French revolt all the time.

3072
01:50:45,340 --> 01:50:47,560
So this could be like the Fifth Republic

3073
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,420
or whatever number you're up to.

3074
01:50:49,480 --> 01:50:50,500
But it used to be cool.

3075
01:50:50,660 --> 01:50:52,120
You know, they cut off heads and stuff.

3076
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:54,620
It was still do that.

3077
01:50:54,940 --> 01:50:57,080
Well, they could they could get back to

3078
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:57,300
it.

3079
01:50:58,500 --> 01:51:01,100
We have a new a new actor on

3080
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:01,600
the scene.

3081
01:51:03,460 --> 01:51:08,800
The Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO, who

3082
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:09,440
I've never.

3083
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,520
I don't think I can't recall this guy

3084
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:12,580
ever showing up.

3085
01:51:13,380 --> 01:51:15,800
And there he is next to Mark Ritter.

3086
01:51:16,780 --> 01:51:18,580
And well, here we go, everybody.

3087
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:19,860
Eastern Century.

3088
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:21,560
We've activated it.

3089
01:51:21,780 --> 01:51:21,900
Yeah.

3090
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,240
So a couple of comments.

3091
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:28,060
I have issued the order tonight for Eastern

3092
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:28,920
Century to begin.

3093
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:32,300
The order went out as this press conference

3094
01:51:32,300 --> 01:51:32,720
began.

3095
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,040
And so operations are being brought together immediately

3096
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:38,640
underneath my authorities as SACEUR.

3097
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:41,400
Now, it will take some time for us

3098
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,700
to bring everything together with the new contributions

3099
01:51:43,700 --> 01:51:45,240
that have been coming in, and we'll continue

3100
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,520
to work on this and refine the design

3101
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:48,760
of the operation moving forward.

3102
01:51:48,900 --> 01:51:51,620
But it begins immediately on.

3103
01:51:51,820 --> 01:51:53,780
I'll just make one comment on the drone

3104
01:51:53,780 --> 01:51:54,980
wall, Secretary General.

3105
01:51:55,660 --> 01:51:57,380
This is very in line with some of

3106
01:51:57,380 --> 01:52:00,260
our thoughts of fortifying our eastern flank from

3107
01:52:00,260 --> 01:52:02,140
from a land and air domain perspective.

3108
01:52:02,220 --> 01:52:04,600
And just coming back from the Baltics, the

3109
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:07,200
number of states are making investments in technologies,

3110
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:09,720
learning lessons from Ukraine about what kind of

3111
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,380
sensors and what kind of weapons kinetic and

3112
01:52:12,380 --> 01:52:13,660
non kinetic might be effective.

3113
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,820
And so integrating those sorts of defenses into

3114
01:52:16,820 --> 01:52:19,900
our daily deterrence activities and into our regional

3115
01:52:19,900 --> 01:52:21,780
plans is absolutely going to be something that

3116
01:52:21,780 --> 01:52:22,860
we want to do moving forward.

3117
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:25,280
OK, so why is this guy standing next

3118
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:26,160
to Mark Ritter?

3119
01:52:26,780 --> 01:52:28,620
Because he's part of the sales team.

3120
01:52:28,660 --> 01:52:29,800
They brought in the closer.

3121
01:52:30,300 --> 01:52:33,720
This guy's like, hey, y'all want to

3122
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:36,620
get your your eastern flank all squared away.

3123
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:37,980
We're going to help you, but you need

3124
01:52:37,980 --> 01:52:38,660
new gear.

3125
01:52:38,860 --> 01:52:40,620
You need to buy some gear from us.

3126
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:42,120
Do you think it was a highly successful

3127
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:46,200
operation intercepting the drones that we did with

3128
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,800
our with the Dutch F-35s and the

3129
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,380
other assets that contributed to that?

3130
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:54,520
As successful as we are, we always learn

3131
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,260
something in the debrief, as we would say,

3132
01:52:56,340 --> 01:52:57,540
in the in the fighter business.

3133
01:52:57,540 --> 01:53:01,040
And so we are always looking for ways

3134
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,380
to enhance to learn from the smallest tactical

3135
01:53:04,380 --> 01:53:06,500
error to how we're approaching certain problems.

3136
01:53:07,020 --> 01:53:10,220
And in my judgment, the scale of the

3137
01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:13,220
incursion the other day was it was obviously

3138
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:15,700
larger than previous incursions that we've had.

3139
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,140
So bringing additional resources to bear on this

3140
01:53:18,140 --> 01:53:19,400
problem will help to solve that.

3141
01:53:19,480 --> 01:53:22,760
So that's why we're starting this operation the

3142
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:23,320
way we are.

3143
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,360
I'll also highlight the comment I made about

3144
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:29,640
working with Allied Command Transformation and Admiral Vendee.

3145
01:53:30,020 --> 01:53:32,760
That is an effort to ensure that we

3146
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,520
get lower cost weapons that we can use

3147
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,880
to defend ourselves to make this a sustainable

3148
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:39,080
operation over time.

3149
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,140
And as Secure, one of my responsibilities is

3150
01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:43,600
to make sure that we don't just defend

3151
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,620
today, but that we're set up to defend

3152
01:53:45,620 --> 01:53:46,040
tomorrow.

3153
01:53:46,540 --> 01:53:49,100
And the last comment I'll make is when

3154
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:51,140
when there's a fighter pilot that's in the

3155
01:53:51,140 --> 01:53:53,700
air or someone on the ground who's defending

3156
01:53:53,700 --> 01:53:55,960
the alliance, I don't want them thinking about

3157
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:57,100
how much their weapons cost.

3158
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:58,680
I want them defending our citizens.

3159
01:53:59,060 --> 01:54:00,280
Yeah, yeah.

3160
01:54:00,620 --> 01:54:02,420
Don't think about cost, boys.

3161
01:54:03,100 --> 01:54:04,180
Don't worry about it.

3162
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:04,940
Fire away.

3163
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:05,460
Fire away.

3164
01:54:05,580 --> 01:54:06,200
Fox one.

3165
01:54:06,380 --> 01:54:07,000
Fox two.

3166
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:07,720
Oh, yeah.

3167
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:09,980
By the way, it turns out these were

3168
01:54:09,980 --> 01:54:10,660
not Shaheed.

3169
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:14,840
These were Gerand drones, which pretty much are

3170
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:15,700
unarmed.

3171
01:54:16,500 --> 01:54:19,260
They are autonomous.

3172
01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:20,500
They have funny.

3173
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,100
One of the reports did say Shaheeds.

3174
01:54:23,260 --> 01:54:25,560
No, I know that initially we heard Shaheed,

3175
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,140
but I got a lot of people who

3176
01:54:27,140 --> 01:54:28,980
know what they're talking about emailing me.

3177
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:30,260
So, no, these are Gerand drones.

3178
01:54:30,740 --> 01:54:33,080
And then this morning or yesterday, there was

3179
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,140
a bunch of incursions over Romania.

3180
01:54:35,740 --> 01:54:36,100
Yes.

3181
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:38,260
I think I actually have a clip of

3182
01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:38,640
that.

3183
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:39,280
Hold on.

3184
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:41,580
Yes, here it is.

3185
01:54:42,020 --> 01:54:44,440
It was two F-16 fighter jets like

3186
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:47,320
these that detected a drone in Romania's airspace.

3187
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:49,740
The Romanian defense ministry says the jets were

3188
01:54:49,740 --> 01:54:52,720
patrolling near the border following Russian airstrikes on

3189
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:53,940
Ukrainian infrastructure.

3190
01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:57,800
At 1823, F-16 aircraft detected a drone

3191
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,760
in national airspace, which they tracked to approximately

3192
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:04,800
20 kilometers southwest of Cilievece, where it disappeared

3193
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:05,440
from radar.

3194
01:55:05,860 --> 01:55:08,380
The drone did not fly over populated areas

3195
01:55:08,380 --> 01:55:11,020
and did not pose an imminent danger to

3196
01:55:11,020 --> 01:55:12,240
the safety of the population.

3197
01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:14,720
It's the second breach of NATO airspace in

3198
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:16,760
just a matter of days after Poland said

3199
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,060
it shot down several Russian drones earlier in

3200
01:55:19,060 --> 01:55:19,440
the week.

3201
01:55:19,740 --> 01:55:21,640
In response, the alliance is beefing up its

3202
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:24,540
defenses with a new operation dubbed Eastern Sentry,

3203
01:55:24,780 --> 01:55:27,000
which aims to reinforce its eastern border with

3204
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:28,660
Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

3205
01:55:28,980 --> 01:55:30,500
The U.S. has also vowed to defend

3206
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:32,360
every inch of NATO territory.

3207
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:33,280
It shouldn't happen.

3208
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:34,900
I don't think anybody's happy about it seeing

3209
01:55:34,900 --> 01:55:35,140
happen.

3210
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:36,920
You saw NATO respond to it appropriately.

3211
01:55:37,300 --> 01:55:38,740
We don't want to see it happen again.

3212
01:55:38,860 --> 01:55:43,420
We think it's an unacceptable and unfortunate and

3213
01:55:43,420 --> 01:55:46,140
dangerous development in this regard.

3214
01:55:46,140 --> 01:55:50,160
With tensions high, Poland's Lublin airport temporarily closed

3215
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,440
on Saturday after a drone alert was issued.

3216
01:55:52,700 --> 01:55:54,900
Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus are pressing on with

3217
01:55:54,900 --> 01:55:57,080
their joint operations near the Polish border.

3218
01:55:57,380 --> 01:55:59,540
Known as Zapad 2, the two countries had

3219
01:55:59,540 --> 01:56:02,640
already carried out similar exercises back in 2021,

3220
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:05,940
just months before Russia's full-scale invasion of

3221
01:56:05,940 --> 01:56:06,180
Ukraine.

3222
01:56:06,700 --> 01:56:07,680
Full-scale invasion.

3223
01:56:08,420 --> 01:56:09,760
Yeah, the more I think about it, the

3224
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:11,500
more genius this is starting to look.

3225
01:56:12,140 --> 01:56:14,960
Like, bleed them dry of all their money

3226
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:17,640
for, not for today's war, but tomorrow's war.

3227
01:56:17,860 --> 01:56:19,600
You don't want your boys in the sky

3228
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,300
thinking about what it's going to cost.

3229
01:56:21,980 --> 01:56:22,440
I love that.

3230
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:23,220
You don't want that.

3231
01:56:23,260 --> 01:56:24,360
That's a great sales pitch.

3232
01:56:24,380 --> 01:56:26,480
You don't want fighters to be thinking, you

3233
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:27,800
don't want, you want those guys to be

3234
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:29,560
- They should be making this as a

3235
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:30,360
consideration.

3236
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,040
Going to save money for your government.

3237
01:56:34,260 --> 01:56:34,460
Yeah.

3238
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:36,560
You don't want that.

3239
01:56:37,060 --> 01:56:38,880
You know, the French are shutting down their

3240
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,060
nuclear power plants.

3241
01:56:41,060 --> 01:56:41,840
Germans.

3242
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:42,400
Yes.

3243
01:56:43,260 --> 01:56:45,140
Oh yeah, they've decommissioned- The French are

3244
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:47,420
all, the whole country is run by those

3245
01:56:47,420 --> 01:56:47,580
nukes.

3246
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:49,020
No, I think they shut down two of

3247
01:56:49,020 --> 01:56:49,500
them already.

3248
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,280
No, they may be for maintenance.

3249
01:56:51,460 --> 01:56:52,820
I can't believe they're going to shut any

3250
01:56:52,820 --> 01:56:53,280
of them down.

3251
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:55,180
Well, the Germans certainly did.

3252
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:56,600
And Germany- Germans did.

3253
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:57,340
They're stupid.

3254
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:58,880
But that's the green agenda.

3255
01:56:59,060 --> 01:57:00,720
They've turned it on themselves.

3256
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:02,660
And we're going to screw them with their

3257
01:57:02,660 --> 01:57:04,640
money, with the stable coin.

3258
01:57:05,500 --> 01:57:07,440
We were taking away the, you know, LIBOR

3259
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:07,940
is gone.

3260
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:09,200
You don't control that anymore.

3261
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:12,060
Now we just got to get those mainly

3262
01:57:12,060 --> 01:57:15,120
City of London oriented banks who are, you

3263
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:16,640
know, not to be named in the Federal

3264
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:17,020
Reserve.

3265
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:18,100
Get them out of the picture.

3266
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:20,620
Which Besant is, they've got plans.

3267
01:57:22,140 --> 01:57:25,120
You know, this could get very- Well,

3268
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:28,120
if Trump can keep himself alive, you know,

3269
01:57:29,020 --> 01:57:31,000
they don't put those James Bond movies into

3270
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:31,960
your mind for nothing.

3271
01:57:32,540 --> 01:57:34,440
Yeah, we got our agents.

3272
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:35,460
They can kill anybody.

3273
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:36,200
You can get anybody.

3274
01:57:36,300 --> 01:57:38,120
They can get the man anytime they want.

3275
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:40,320
But we'll make them look like Austin Powers.

3276
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,200
So you don't, you're not pretty, you're not,

3277
01:57:42,280 --> 01:57:44,560
you're not clued into what we're really doing.

3278
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:46,880
Yeah.

3279
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:47,940
Yeah.

3280
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:48,400
Yeah.

3281
01:57:49,340 --> 01:57:51,080
Well, I think we're on to something.

3282
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:51,520
Yes.

3283
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:58,360
The- Oh, this- See, I-

3284
01:58:00,260 --> 01:58:04,300
Actually, there was a kind of doubling back,

3285
01:58:04,380 --> 01:58:06,300
but coming back to technology.

3286
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,540
Which is obviously some- By the way,

3287
01:58:10,620 --> 01:58:13,480
how about all those European Union finding our

3288
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:15,400
companies billions of dollars?

3289
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:17,540
Yeah, well, that's been going on since the

3290
01:58:17,540 --> 01:58:18,500
entire show.

3291
01:58:18,860 --> 01:58:19,700
Yeah, they hate it.

3292
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:20,600
They hate our technology.

3293
01:58:20,620 --> 01:58:22,740
It started with Microsoft years ago, then Google,

3294
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,300
and then now Meta, and then Google again.

3295
01:58:25,540 --> 01:58:26,920
Yeah, because they hate our influence.

3296
01:58:27,220 --> 01:58:28,340
They want to control it.

3297
01:58:28,420 --> 01:58:29,220
That's a gouge.

3298
01:58:29,380 --> 01:58:30,580
It's a rip off.

3299
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:31,420
It's a simple rip.

3300
01:58:31,420 --> 01:58:32,220
They don't hate us.

3301
01:58:32,380 --> 01:58:33,300
They love us.

3302
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:35,320
They can get all these billions of dollars

3303
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:36,280
for doing absolutely something.

3304
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:37,900
Well, that's true.

3305
01:58:38,020 --> 01:58:39,260
Let's sit on our ass and do nothing,

3306
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:41,720
and then, oh, no, you get fined.

3307
01:58:42,620 --> 01:58:43,880
Why would they hate us?

3308
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:44,900
Sounds like a podcast.

3309
01:58:45,180 --> 01:58:46,700
Let's sit on our ass and do nothing.

3310
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:48,680
Yeah, well, it's both podcasts.

3311
01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:49,820
Not this one.

3312
01:58:52,780 --> 01:58:55,280
So, obviously, now we have to- This

3313
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,940
is your girl, Kristen Welker.

3314
01:58:57,100 --> 01:58:58,580
And that's why I have the clips from

3315
01:58:58,580 --> 01:58:59,400
Meet the Press.

3316
01:58:59,900 --> 01:59:04,620
And she's talking to the governor, Spencer Cox.

3317
01:59:05,300 --> 01:59:06,240
Spencer Cox.

3318
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:07,820
Is that the guy?

3319
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:09,940
Is that- Cox, the Utah governor?

3320
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:10,660
Yeah, yeah.

3321
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,720
Yeah, he's a very politically savvy guy.

3322
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:15,800
He could run for president.

3323
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,360
Well, from what I'm reading, a lot of

3324
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:24,180
people think he is a proverbial rhino, a

3325
01:59:24,180 --> 01:59:25,640
Republican in name only.

3326
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:29,160
And you certainly don't want this guy as

3327
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:29,440
president.

3328
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,620
Listen to his thoughts and his ideas about

3329
01:59:31,620 --> 01:59:33,900
online and radicalization.

3330
01:59:33,900 --> 01:59:35,320
Governor, I want to ask you about something

3331
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:36,160
you said on Friday.

3332
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,720
You said, quote, there was a radicalization that

3333
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:42,100
happened in a fairly short amount of time.

3334
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:44,660
How was the suspect radicalized?

3335
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:45,940
How quickly did it happen?

3336
01:59:46,180 --> 01:59:48,420
By the FBI, by the MI6.

3337
01:59:48,700 --> 01:59:51,540
I mean, this radicalization can happen from anybody,

3338
01:59:51,740 --> 01:59:52,020
people.

3339
01:59:52,780 --> 01:59:55,180
Well, again, those are pieces of information that

3340
01:59:55,180 --> 01:59:57,100
we're still gathering, trying to understand.

3341
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:58,240
We do know.

3342
01:59:58,500 --> 01:59:59,500
And again, this is- Is he in

3343
01:59:59,500 --> 02:00:01,240
intelligence all of a sudden, this guy?

3344
02:00:01,300 --> 02:00:05,020
Yeah, we're gathering this- He has that

3345
02:00:05,020 --> 02:00:05,260
look.

3346
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:05,780
You're right.

3347
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:07,380
Now, as you mentioned, he has an intelligence

3348
02:00:07,380 --> 02:00:07,760
look.

3349
02:00:07,820 --> 02:00:09,700
He looks like a spook.

3350
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:12,640
And he says the right things.

3351
02:00:12,980 --> 02:00:14,920
And when they bring up some of these

3352
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:18,080
radicalization programs, you know, the intelligence people are

3353
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:19,560
the ones who could, you know, they got

3354
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:21,280
all these, you know, Quantico and all these

3355
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,920
people that do personality analysis, and they know

3356
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:25,520
your weak spots, and they can come in

3357
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:28,080
and convince you of something that's not going

3358
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:28,500
to happen.

3359
02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:30,120
Like you have a whole group of them

3360
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:32,740
down there in Fredericksburg that think, you know,

3361
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,920
the grid's going down or whatever they want

3362
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,700
to try as a joke.

3363
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:40,200
Yeah, exactly.

3364
02:00:40,460 --> 02:00:41,820
They sigh up our people here.

3365
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:44,980
He is, of course, in Utah.

3366
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:49,600
He is, I believe he is, yes, he

3367
02:00:49,600 --> 02:00:51,480
went on mission for the- So he's

3368
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:54,060
a Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

3369
02:00:54,060 --> 02:00:58,100
-day Saints, which- Right, and by the

3370
02:00:58,100 --> 02:00:59,340
way, that's what you're supposed to say.

3371
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:01,460
They don't like the word Mormon.

3372
02:01:01,580 --> 02:01:01,980
No, they don't.

3373
02:01:01,980 --> 02:01:03,920
That's why I said Church of Jesus Christ

3374
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:04,820
of Latter-day Saints.

3375
02:01:05,100 --> 02:01:06,160
But I'm just pointing that out to the

3376
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:06,440
audience.

3377
02:01:06,580 --> 02:01:09,460
Yes, but they are very deeply entrenched in

3378
02:01:09,460 --> 02:01:10,320
intelligence.

3379
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:13,780
They have records on everybody.

3380
02:01:14,740 --> 02:01:16,700
Didn't Ancestry.com start with them?

3381
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:21,020
I think you might be right.

3382
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:23,540
Yeah, they- Yes, because they have the

3383
02:01:23,540 --> 02:01:26,700
belief as a religion that they can baptize

3384
02:01:26,700 --> 02:01:27,460
you in death.

3385
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:28,020
That's right.

3386
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:31,060
That's right, which is appreciated, but it's okay.

3387
02:01:31,160 --> 02:01:32,400
I already gave it the office.

3388
02:01:33,140 --> 02:01:35,080
It's not appreciated by everybody.

3389
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:36,200
I gave it the office.

3390
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:37,240
I don't need it anymore.

3391
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,500
It's information that we're still gathering, trying to

3392
02:01:39,500 --> 02:01:40,000
understand.

3393
02:01:40,460 --> 02:01:42,760
We do know, and again, this has been

3394
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:46,100
well publicized, that this was a very normal

3395
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:49,360
young man, a very smart young man, 4

3396
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,460
.0 student, I think it's a 34 on

3397
02:01:51,460 --> 02:01:55,220
the ACT, went to- How does he

3398
02:01:55,220 --> 02:01:56,200
know all this stuff?

3399
02:01:56,920 --> 02:02:00,560
I haven't seen any of his scholastic record.

3400
02:02:00,740 --> 02:02:02,200
Yeah, that came out.

3401
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:07,380
34 on the ACT, went to my alma

3402
02:02:07,380 --> 02:02:09,780
mater, Utah State University, but was only there

3403
02:02:09,780 --> 02:02:11,120
for a very short amount of time.

3404
02:02:11,220 --> 02:02:13,460
I mean, he dropped out after less than

3405
02:02:13,460 --> 02:02:15,740
one semester, and it seemed to happen kind

3406
02:02:15,740 --> 02:02:19,720
of after that, after he had moved back

3407
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:22,520
to the southern part of Utah.

3408
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,680
Clearly, there was a lot of gaming going

3409
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:26,100
on.

3410
02:02:26,500 --> 02:02:29,080
Friends confirmed that there was kind of that

3411
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:31,720
deep, dark internet- The dark.

3412
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:35,900
Reddit culture and these other dark places of

3413
02:02:35,900 --> 02:02:39,080
the internet where this person was- Will,

3414
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:39,740
stop for a second.

3415
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:42,960
I take back what I said about him

3416
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:46,260
being a potential presidential candidate because of this

3417
02:02:46,260 --> 02:02:47,920
interaction he's going through right now.

3418
02:02:48,060 --> 02:02:51,160
He is using a scattergun style of talking,

3419
02:02:51,580 --> 02:02:53,800
so it's not smooth.

3420
02:02:53,880 --> 02:02:54,860
He's not smooth.

3421
02:02:55,060 --> 02:02:56,880
I mean, when he gave his prepared speeches,

3422
02:02:57,120 --> 02:03:00,960
he sounded very presidential, but here's- He's

3423
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:01,820
all over the map.

3424
02:03:02,020 --> 02:03:03,940
He doesn't have a structured flow.

3425
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:06,120
It doesn't come off well.

3426
02:03:06,540 --> 02:03:06,640
No.

3427
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:07,660
So, no, he's out.

3428
02:03:07,860 --> 02:03:11,280
No, he's- And also, Utah has all

3429
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:12,360
the big data centers.

3430
02:03:14,060 --> 02:03:15,380
Any place- At least I'm in Colorado.

3431
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:17,980
Yeah, I know, but Utah, well known.

3432
02:03:18,300 --> 02:03:18,840
Well known.

3433
02:03:19,220 --> 02:03:20,900
He's a fan of the band The Killers.

3434
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:21,300
Okay.

3435
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,920
It's kind of that deep, dark internet, the

3436
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:29,420
Reddit culture, and these other dark places of

3437
02:03:29,420 --> 02:03:33,520
the internet where this person was going deep.

3438
02:03:33,860 --> 02:03:36,020
And you saw that on the casings.

3439
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:37,800
I think, I mean, I didn't have any

3440
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:39,940
idea what the- You saw that on

3441
02:03:39,940 --> 02:03:40,660
the casings.

3442
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:42,820
Again, we didn't see anything.

3443
02:03:42,820 --> 02:03:43,720
We didn't see anything.

3444
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:45,960
He's stammering like a maniac.

3445
02:03:46,340 --> 02:03:49,480
He's stammering to the extent that- That

3446
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:50,060
he's lying.

3447
02:03:50,820 --> 02:03:51,760
He's not being honest.

3448
02:03:51,940 --> 02:03:52,260
Exactly.

3449
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:53,880
Was going deep.

3450
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:56,400
And you saw that on the casings.

3451
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:58,140
I think, I mean, I didn't have any

3452
02:03:58,140 --> 02:04:00,660
idea what those inscriptions- Many of those

3453
02:04:00,660 --> 02:04:01,720
inscriptions even meant.

3454
02:04:02,300 --> 02:04:05,100
But they are, you know, certainly the memification

3455
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:07,120
that is happening in our society today.

3456
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,060
By the way, this podcast, The No Agenda

3457
02:04:09,060 --> 02:04:11,380
Show, is only available on the dark web.

3458
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,140
Governor, I want to delve into some of

3459
02:04:14,140 --> 02:04:16,500
the messaging that we have heard from you.

3460
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:18,440
Lawmakers, governors- Messaging.

3461
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:21,900
Both parties across the country have frankly praised

3462
02:04:21,900 --> 02:04:24,100
what we heard from you on Friday.

3463
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:25,660
Your unifying message.

3464
02:04:25,860 --> 02:04:27,940
You said you see this as a watershed

3465
02:04:27,940 --> 02:04:29,160
moment.

3466
02:04:29,820 --> 02:04:32,140
How can this nation step back from the

3467
02:04:32,140 --> 02:04:32,780
brink, Governor?

3468
02:04:33,020 --> 02:04:34,160
No, he was so good.

3469
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:35,640
From the brink.

3470
02:04:35,900 --> 02:04:37,640
He was so good that you even kind

3471
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:38,980
of fell for it until you heard this

3472
02:04:38,980 --> 02:04:39,360
interview.

3473
02:04:39,540 --> 02:04:40,420
Because he was good.

3474
02:04:40,980 --> 02:04:44,500
He had a, you know, a message that

3475
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:45,780
was needed at that moment.

3476
02:04:45,780 --> 02:04:48,300
But we needed some details too.

3477
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,300
So look, this is- What?

3478
02:04:52,460 --> 02:04:53,940
You mentioned it in the introduction.

3479
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:55,260
But we have seen an escalation- What

3480
02:04:55,260 --> 02:04:56,320
was that all about?

3481
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:58,480
Well, let's- Starts right away with a

3482
02:04:58,480 --> 02:04:59,040
laugh tale?

3483
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:00,640
Let's listen to her lead in again.

3484
02:05:00,980 --> 02:05:02,640
And by the way, I resent the fact

3485
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:04,120
you said that I fell for it.

3486
02:05:04,140 --> 02:05:05,960
Well, I don't- Because I did.

3487
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:07,380
But it's beside the point.

3488
02:05:09,940 --> 02:05:13,520
It's not- By the way, I need

3489
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:14,780
to apologize for something.

3490
02:05:14,780 --> 02:05:16,480
Not for that comment I just made.

3491
02:05:17,420 --> 02:05:18,660
What would that be?

3492
02:05:18,940 --> 02:05:20,500
What else did you say about me that

3493
02:05:20,500 --> 02:05:21,600
you need to apologize for?

3494
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:22,720
It was not about you.

3495
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,340
I said something about Brennan.

3496
02:05:26,060 --> 02:05:27,140
Oh, yes, Brennan.

3497
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:29,540
Brennan and Jay were quite upset about you

3498
02:05:29,540 --> 02:05:32,600
calling him, as I recall, the exact word

3499
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:35,020
was a deadbeat when it's anything but.

3500
02:05:35,060 --> 02:05:36,840
He's a very responsible- And by the

3501
02:05:36,840 --> 02:05:39,460
way, he's an Eagle Scout, if anybody cares.

3502
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:41,040
But a lot of Eagle Scouts out there.

3503
02:05:41,500 --> 02:05:43,180
And a very responsible person.

3504
02:05:43,180 --> 02:05:47,140
And it was, I think, actionable insult.

3505
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:49,000
Well, it was not- It was meant

3506
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,880
as a joke, obviously.

3507
02:05:51,180 --> 02:05:52,700
Well, Mimi noticed it was kind of a

3508
02:05:52,700 --> 02:05:52,900
joke.

3509
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:55,320
Because you make these offhanded comments.

3510
02:05:55,700 --> 02:05:58,340
It was a joke coming from the love

3511
02:05:58,340 --> 02:05:59,360
you have for the family.

3512
02:05:59,500 --> 02:05:59,800
Yes.

3513
02:05:59,900 --> 02:06:01,960
And it came in a conversation where you

3514
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:03,680
were making fun of Mimi's voice.

3515
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:05,680
So I'm like, it's fair game now.

3516
02:06:06,780 --> 02:06:08,260
But that's- But I apologize.

3517
02:06:08,260 --> 02:06:09,160
That's not true.

3518
02:06:11,220 --> 02:06:12,500
Okay, I'm sorry.

3519
02:06:12,500 --> 02:06:13,800
No, that's right.

3520
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,220
It was right before you called me-

3521
02:06:15,220 --> 02:06:16,400
And I wasn't making fun of her voice.

3522
02:06:16,540 --> 02:06:18,360
She's- Her mic voice is a very

3523
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:19,760
sexy voice she's developed.

3524
02:06:19,900 --> 02:06:21,080
I called her out on it later.

3525
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,360
I called her and said, where'd you get

3526
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:24,880
- Where are you developing this voice?

3527
02:06:24,940 --> 02:06:27,100
Because she wears the cans and she doesn't

3528
02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:27,780
like her voice.

3529
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,260
And so she's working on- Hello.

3530
02:06:29,700 --> 02:06:31,840
So she's working on this bullcrap voice.

3531
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:32,900
It sounds terrific.

3532
02:06:33,020 --> 02:06:34,600
She could get it worked doing that voice.

3533
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:37,180
It was right before- Right after you

3534
02:06:37,180 --> 02:06:38,120
called me a bigot.

3535
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:42,000
And before you called me an egomaniac about

3536
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:43,460
the sound of my own voice.

3537
02:06:44,140 --> 02:06:44,780
So- Yes.

3538
02:06:45,780 --> 02:06:47,120
Yes, that's true.

3539
02:06:47,340 --> 02:06:49,940
But- Okay, so instead of- I'm

3540
02:06:49,940 --> 02:06:50,220
fair game.

3541
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:50,900
I'm fair game.

3542
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:53,440
Instead of your normal attack of me, you

3543
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:54,880
went after poor old Brennan.

3544
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,120
It was, I said it because I know

3545
02:06:58,120 --> 02:07:01,520
that, you know, because of the departure of

3546
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:03,220
what company left?

3547
02:07:03,420 --> 02:07:04,440
Oh, the Chevron, right?

3548
02:07:04,520 --> 02:07:04,760
The Chevron.

3549
02:07:04,900 --> 02:07:05,040
Yeah.

3550
02:07:05,380 --> 02:07:06,820
So I'm sorry, of course.

3551
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:08,700
Something's going- By the way, I remember

3552
02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:10,260
Jay- It's sweet of you to apologize

3553
02:07:10,260 --> 02:07:10,900
to Brennan.

3554
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:11,420
Yes.

3555
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:14,100
And also to Jay, you know, because they're

3556
02:07:14,100 --> 02:07:15,520
married and, you know, I'm sure she got

3557
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:15,640
that.

3558
02:07:15,740 --> 02:07:18,180
And she didn't mention anything to me, but

3559
02:07:18,180 --> 02:07:19,220
this got back to me.

3560
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:20,140
And so I'm really sorry.

3561
02:07:20,580 --> 02:07:22,360
I've known Jay since she was 15.

3562
02:07:23,180 --> 02:07:26,760
And I love her working with us and

3563
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:28,440
- And she does a terrific job.

3564
02:07:28,500 --> 02:07:29,280
And Brennan's a good guy.

3565
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:30,820
I've never met him, but you like him.

3566
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:32,540
So that automatically qualifies.

3567
02:07:32,660 --> 02:07:32,820
He's a nice guy.

3568
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:33,620
So I'm sorry.

3569
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:35,480
This is what you get when you only

3570
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:37,300
listen to the No Agenda show once in

3571
02:07:37,300 --> 02:07:37,660
a while.

3572
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:39,520
You haven't heard all the other stuff we

3573
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:40,240
talked about you.

3574
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:41,940
So I'm sorry.

3575
02:07:42,060 --> 02:07:42,640
I really am.

3576
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:47,000
I think that they should be listening to

3577
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:47,240
the show.

3578
02:07:47,500 --> 02:07:48,800
Jay was listening to the show with more

3579
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:49,380
consistency.

3580
02:07:50,260 --> 02:07:52,540
And Brennan listens once in a while.

3581
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:53,900
He was listening in the car, I guess,

3582
02:07:53,940 --> 02:07:54,920
when you insulted him.

3583
02:07:57,020 --> 02:07:59,380
And they should listen to the show.

3584
02:07:59,540 --> 02:08:00,100
I don't understand this.

3585
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:02,080
Did they almost drive their Tesla off the

3586
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:02,320
road?

3587
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:06,720
Driving a minivan.

3588
02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:07,340
All right.

3589
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:07,880
Onward.

3590
02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:09,020
Unifying message.

3591
02:08:09,200 --> 02:08:11,300
You said you see this as a watershed

3592
02:08:11,300 --> 02:08:12,520
moment.

3593
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:15,500
How can this nation step back from the

3594
02:08:15,500 --> 02:08:16,100
brink, Governor?

3595
02:08:17,620 --> 02:08:21,920
So look, you mentioned it in the introduction,

3596
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:24,160
but we have seen an escalation in violence

3597
02:08:24,160 --> 02:08:25,960
that has been happening across the country.

3598
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:28,380
We've had periods like this in our past

3599
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:28,660
history.

3600
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:30,940
I've mentioned before in the late 60s and

3601
02:08:30,940 --> 02:08:31,700
early 70s.

3602
02:08:31,700 --> 02:08:35,160
We saw these types of high profile political

3603
02:08:35,160 --> 02:08:35,940
assassinations.

3604
02:08:36,300 --> 02:08:38,160
Another dark time in our history.

3605
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:43,300
People keep waiting for somebody to lead us

3606
02:08:43,300 --> 02:08:43,740
out of this.

3607
02:08:43,860 --> 02:08:45,480
And I think that's a mistake.

3608
02:08:45,860 --> 02:08:48,000
I don't think any one person, certainly not

3609
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:48,380
a governor.

3610
02:08:48,820 --> 02:08:49,820
I don't think a president.

3611
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:53,560
I don't think anyone can change the trajectory

3612
02:08:53,560 --> 02:08:54,100
of this.

3613
02:08:54,380 --> 02:08:56,420
It truly is about every single one of

3614
02:08:56,420 --> 02:08:56,520
us.

3615
02:08:56,760 --> 02:09:00,140
And I can't emphasize enough the damage that

3616
02:09:00,140 --> 02:09:03,640
social media and the Internet is doing to

3617
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:04,500
all of us.

3618
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:05,400
Cox for president.

3619
02:09:05,780 --> 02:09:09,180
Those dopamine hits, these companies, trillion dollar market

3620
02:09:09,180 --> 02:09:11,540
caps, the most powerful companies in the history

3621
02:09:11,540 --> 02:09:13,640
of the world have figured out how to

3622
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,580
hack our brains, get us addicted to.

3623
02:09:16,580 --> 02:09:17,180
Hold on a second.

3624
02:09:17,240 --> 02:09:17,540
Stop.

3625
02:09:18,860 --> 02:09:21,180
What social media company has a trillion dollar

3626
02:09:21,180 --> 02:09:21,820
valuation?

3627
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:26,960
I can tell you what companies have.

3628
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:27,280
Meta?

3629
02:09:27,540 --> 02:09:27,800
Meta?

3630
02:09:28,020 --> 02:09:29,540
I don't think they have a trillion dollar

3631
02:09:29,540 --> 02:09:31,460
valuation, not a market cap.

3632
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:33,780
I know Apple does.

3633
02:09:33,980 --> 02:09:34,980
But that's not social media.

3634
02:09:35,500 --> 02:09:37,460
I think Amazon goes.

3635
02:09:37,980 --> 02:09:40,680
I think Microsoft for sure.

3636
02:09:41,220 --> 02:09:43,260
Yeah, but those aren't social media companies.

3637
02:09:43,740 --> 02:09:45,660
The social media companies to me are.

3638
02:09:45,740 --> 02:09:46,220
Make no money.

3639
02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:48,620
Well, no, they make money.

3640
02:09:48,900 --> 02:09:49,840
I mean, Meta makes money.

3641
02:09:50,540 --> 02:09:52,040
Meta is a good example.

3642
02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:55,140
But I don't think they're, I'll look it

3643
02:09:55,140 --> 02:09:55,280
up.

3644
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:57,500
But that'd be the only one possibly with

3645
02:09:57,500 --> 02:09:58,800
a trillion dollar market.

3646
02:09:59,020 --> 02:10:00,480
Well, also, there's not the most.