1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,200 John C Dvorak: It was all corrupt. 2 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:06,090 Adam Curry: Adam curry Jhansi Devora July 21 2024. And this 3 00:00:06,090 --> 00:00:09,990 year award winning give a nation media assassination episode 1670 4 00:00:09,990 --> 00:00:10,740 Nice 5 00:00:10,830 --> 00:00:13,680 Unknown: is no agenda battling 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,980 Adam Curry: blue screens in broadcasting live from the heart 7 00:00:17,010 --> 00:00:20,880 of the country here and femur. Reason number six in the morning 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,410 everybody. I'm Adam curry 9 00:00:22,620 --> 00:00:24,930 John C Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley we're all saying 10 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:26,820 false flag. I'm John Cena moreq 11 00:00:28,350 --> 00:00:29,100 Unknown: Buzzkill. 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,450 Adam Curry: Even better than that breaking, breaking breaking 13 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:38,430 by Alert, alert, Alert, alert, Biden drops out. He just dropped 14 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:42,330 out. He just dropped out literally minutes before we 15 00:00:42,330 --> 00:00:42,870 started. 16 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:46,020 John C Dvorak: Well, he didn't drop out during the speech. 17 00:00:46,050 --> 00:00:46,290 Yeah, 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,270 Adam Curry: I know. I know. You're gonna 19 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,080 John C Dvorak: say he didn't drop out during the speech. I 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,450 thought you're gonna when he should have dropped out? Yeah, 21 00:00:54,450 --> 00:00:55,020 well, 22 00:00:55,230 --> 00:00:57,570 Adam Curry: they had a had a different distraction in mind. 23 00:00:57,750 --> 00:01:01,530 Remember, the whole idea was to distract from the RNC to have 24 00:01:01,530 --> 00:01:05,370 Biden drop out Sunday night or sorry, Thursday night or Friday 25 00:01:05,370 --> 00:01:10,380 morning didn't happen. Instead, we got a glitch. You want to 26 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:14,700 hear his his note what he wrote? Yes, please. Now I had to check 27 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,730 it with other mainstream sources, because it's not on 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,080 official presidential letterhead, which I found, oh, 29 00:01:22,110 --> 00:01:25,140 to be suspicious. I know it'd 30 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:27,510 John C Dvorak: be, could be Babylon be well, 31 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:31,740 Adam Curry: then I went to let's just go to cnn.com Biden drops 32 00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:36,870 out of race. Okay. So what if we've were duped everybody's to 33 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:39,840 my fellow Americans. For the past three and a half years, 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,390 we've made great progress as a nation, blah, blah, blah, blah, 35 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:45,150 blah. I know, none of this can be done without you, the 36 00:01:45,150 --> 00:01:47,730 American people, blah, blah, blah. We protected our 37 00:01:47,730 --> 00:01:50,370 democracy. It has been the greatest honor of my life to 38 00:01:50,370 --> 00:01:52,350 serve as your President. And while it has been my intention 39 00:01:52,350 --> 00:01:54,600 to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my 40 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,930 party and the country for me to stand down and focus solely on 41 00:01:57,930 --> 00:02:00,420 fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of 42 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:03,750 my term. I guess they finalize the deal. 43 00:02:05,370 --> 00:02:10,140 John C Dvorak: Yes, as Vivek, put it, so aptly put it in the 44 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:11,610 in his analysis. 45 00:02:12,870 --> 00:02:14,670 Adam Curry: What did he say? Well, he 46 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:18,120 John C Dvorak: did play a four or five clips of him do Oh, 47 00:02:18,540 --> 00:02:22,680 yeah. And he said that he's just holding that for a better deal. 48 00:02:22,890 --> 00:02:23,730 Yeah. Well, we 49 00:02:23,730 --> 00:02:25,620 Adam Curry: knew that. I mean, we didn't know in fact, listen 50 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:30,000 to this show. We didn't need him to repeat what we're saying. The 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,810 President does say a Taiwan's thank Vice President come out 52 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:36,270 Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner and all 53 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,400 this work and let me express my heartfelt appreciation for the 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,430 American people. So no, no news on that what they're going to do 55 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:43,680 now. So I'm sure you know, it's like, but 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,940 John C Dvorak: we know what you're going to do to get to 57 00:02:44,940 --> 00:02:47,970 pick Kamla. If they don't or come Allah depends. Is she 58 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:51,000 black? Either one, Mala she's why she's Camela. It can be 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:51,300 either 60 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:55,020 Adam Curry: one. I mean, as long as it's her because if you don't 61 00:02:55,020 --> 00:03:01,290 pick Camela Humala, you you lose the black vote, you lose that, 62 00:03:01,410 --> 00:03:04,650 that that would be especially after all this black judge, 63 00:03:05,070 --> 00:03:09,060 black guy in the military, you know, all that stuff. Well, 64 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:11,580 John C Dvorak: that it was brought up on the books. I 65 00:03:11,580 --> 00:03:13,710 didn't want to start with that. By 66 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:17,130 Adam Curry: the way, Brooke Blitzer. We did Brooks. I think 67 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:18,630 Brooks listens to this show. 68 00:03:20,010 --> 00:03:22,980 John C Dvorak: What do you say? Well, you didn't say no agenda 69 00:03:22,980 --> 00:03:25,020 is a great podcast. Well, 70 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:27,210 Adam Curry: first of all, it would be hard to imagine that 71 00:03:27,210 --> 00:03:30,180 someone hadn't said, Hey, have you heard the podcast that rips 72 00:03:30,180 --> 00:03:33,210 on you all the time? So I'm sure someone said that to him. At 73 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:37,440 some point. He wrote in his column in his column 74 00:03:37,470 --> 00:03:39,840 John C Dvorak: is true. You would eventually at some point 75 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,950 after getting ripped on for years. Of course, you think 76 00:03:43,950 --> 00:03:46,860 maybe a tune in at least once. Of course. It's 77 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:49,140 Adam Curry: like unavoidable. It's unavoidable. 78 00:03:50,820 --> 00:03:51,600 John C Dvorak: In the column, 79 00:03:51,630 --> 00:03:53,880 Adam Curry: yes. Hold on a second. I'm gonna get it up 80 00:03:53,880 --> 00:04:00,870 here. If Democrats want to beat Magga it's not enough to say, 81 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:07,620 Orange Man bad. Orange Man. Bad talk. I actually got a couple of 82 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:10,290 people emailing that to me. Hey, Brooks is listening to your 83 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:15,240 show. Did we come up with orange MAN bad? I don't know. I don't 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,750 think we came up with but we have incessantly Orange Man bad. 85 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:22,350 We have used that quite a lot. So thanks, Brooks. Next time 86 00:04:22,380 --> 00:04:29,250 best podcast in universe. So well, I guess, man, it's so 87 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:32,880 annoying. The new cycle has been I go I get whiplash. I got 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,270 whiplash. There's so much going on. We we had an assassination 89 00:04:36,270 --> 00:04:41,190 attempt. We had a meandering, rambling speech. 90 00:04:43,380 --> 00:04:46,770 John C Dvorak: Then we let's start with that. Okay. Okay. I 91 00:04:46,770 --> 00:04:50,280 watched the entire convention because it was interesting. It 92 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:54,090 was a show it was fabulous. It was a good show. If he would 93 00:04:54,090 --> 00:04:58,980 doesn't win an Emmy for Best Production. Oh, I'm telling you, 94 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:02,550 when they put the full lashing Trump that big Trump in lights 95 00:05:02,550 --> 00:05:04,770 and then he came out and then they that was good. That was 96 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:07,740 that was ritual sets left and right. The White 97 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:11,280 Adam Curry: House behind them the White House I loved from for 98 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:16,410 multiple reasons, but when they brought out compra tours uniform 99 00:05:18,660 --> 00:05:22,500 Yeah, I mean, everything was just fantastic. 100 00:05:23,340 --> 00:05:25,530 John C Dvorak: But they will What made you think they'd win 101 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:30,900 an Emmy? They should. But no, well go to some Netflix special. 102 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,590 Adam Curry: I mean, it had something for everybody. It even 103 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:37,380 satisfied the Jesus freakin me. There was everything. Anything, 104 00:05:37,410 --> 00:05:39,150 everything for everybody, including 105 00:05:39,150 --> 00:05:42,900 Unknown: so all you criminals, all you lowlifes. All you 106 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:47,550 scumbags. All you drug dealers, and all you crooked politicians 107 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:52,170 need to answer one question, brother, what you're gonna do 108 00:05:52,290 --> 00:05:57,540 when Donald Trump and all trouble maniacs run wild on you, 109 00:05:57,540 --> 00:05:58,080 brother. 110 00:06:00,450 --> 00:06:03,930 Adam Curry: I think the count was about 18 times you said 111 00:06:03,930 --> 00:06:05,160 brother. No, 112 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,840 John C Dvorak: actually, it was nine I counted. It was over and 113 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:10,560 under a date. 114 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,470 Adam Curry: It was pretty good. Also think when it comes to 115 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:20,640 television production for my tastes, it was brilliantly 116 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,570 timed. If people like it was too long he would he wasn't even in 117 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:30,900 primetime. Wow. No, no, no. He came on at like 1030 118 00:06:31,950 --> 00:06:36,510 John C Dvorak: East Coast time. It was to EA was after 10 Yeah, 119 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:36,570 it 120 00:06:36,570 --> 00:06:40,170 Adam Curry: was close to 1030. So the first half hour of him 121 00:06:40,170 --> 00:06:43,620 talking about you know, that was all the solemn kind of stuff and 122 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:46,200 talk and he's I'm only gonna talk about this once. Of course, 123 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,190 he's been talking about nonstop since then. That was all up 124 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:53,130 until the 11 o'clock hour that I think you know, if people just 125 00:06:53,130 --> 00:06:56,850 wanted to see it and get a get a taste. And then everyone who 126 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:59,370 really was interested could watch all the way to the end. I 127 00:06:59,370 --> 00:07:02,310 thought the timing was brilliant. He hit that primetime 128 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:05,640 slot perfectly. And then all the other stuff that he likes to do 129 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,690 after you know the 130 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:10,410 John C Dvorak: normals. is normal says Normal stick. Yeah, 131 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:14,220 Adam Curry: I do have to wrap ups. So I hate hate wrap ups. 132 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,140 Cuz, right, right after he was done. I mean, it was right. I 133 00:07:19,140 --> 00:07:24,600 was like, rambling. Meandering hasn't changed the bit. No, 134 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,020 good. We're back. We're back on the race. 135 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:30,270 John C Dvorak: Actually, I got to two clips too after you're 136 00:07:30,270 --> 00:07:33,810 done. But let me just say I would like I said, I watched the 137 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:38,310 whole thing. And a couple of things. One, I thought it was 138 00:07:38,310 --> 00:07:42,300 just a classic set, you know, where he does his bits. He does 139 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:45,570 his jokes. I don't think it was rambling. It was you know, 140 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:48,960 because he changed it. He does change topics quickly. But it's 141 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,590 to keep the body and salary. It's very professional at that. 142 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,100 And I watched the whole 92 minutes, which everyone made a 143 00:07:56,100 --> 00:08:00,660 point of 92 minutes long as a movie longer than a movie. I 144 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:03,840 watched the whole 92 minutes and I I didn't have any troubles 145 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:06,690 keeping up with it or listening to me me bitched about it 146 00:08:06,690 --> 00:08:09,120 everybody else was on the West Coast. Everyone watched the 147 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,600 whole thing because it was earlier but it was like I didn't 148 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,490 find it to be that rambling or bad or anything off his normal 149 00:08:17,490 --> 00:08:21,900 pace or you know what I found? I don't personally get it. No, I 150 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:23,700 Adam Curry: thought it was fine. What I what I thought was 151 00:08:23,700 --> 00:08:27,750 interesting. I did not clip it is at one point he said it's 152 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:31,560 been such a it's been such a great convention. I hope I don't 153 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,330 blow it oh boy. I just gave them an idea. Which he literally did. 154 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,080 Or maybe he just telegraphing he knew that that's what the what 155 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,720 the media would do was go out was a great convention until 156 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,180 Trump spoke because that's that was pretty much which is 157 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:49,800 actually what everybody said, here's here's the Anna Navarro. 158 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:52,050 Unknown: I'm speaking to fellow Christians. I was raised 159 00:08:52,050 --> 00:08:56,790 Catholic. I'm a Christian girl. When something like this happens 160 00:08:56,790 --> 00:08:59,520 to you like this assassination attempt and you say something 161 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,700 like God is watching it was watching me that is a very 162 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,520 unChristian thing to say because it's very narcissistic what 163 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,920 about what about Cory which is a fireman who also 164 00:09:13,170 --> 00:09:15,390 Adam Curry: I really care about the Corey what's his name guy 165 00:09:15,390 --> 00:09:15,690 saved 166 00:09:15,690 --> 00:09:18,720 Unknown: because it's very nice. Wow what about what about Corey? 167 00:09:18,750 --> 00:09:25,380 What's his name? Good Chris What about all those guys? Yeah, 168 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:30,210 killed on Sandy Hook all of those. It's Oh, God was watching 169 00:09:30,210 --> 00:09:32,760 me and not watching them. There's something very 170 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,360 disturbing. I should have pulled the plug on that Mike yesterday. 171 00:09:38,670 --> 00:09:40,680 Adam Curry: This was very consistent. You know, it's like, 172 00:09:40,770 --> 00:09:44,040 Oh, God only save President Trump but doesn't save 173 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:48,540 Ukrainians are children are filling the classic, very 174 00:09:48,540 --> 00:09:53,730 classic atheists nonsense, but the best wrap up and and I think 175 00:09:53,730 --> 00:09:58,350 this is also award winning has to be from joy read. Kudos to 176 00:09:58,350 --> 00:09:58,650 joy 177 00:09:58,650 --> 00:10:01,440 Unknown: Trump's big campaign moment. it last night followed 178 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,500 an introduction from the Ultimate Fighting Championship 179 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:08,850 cheap Dana White, infamous for getting caught on tape slapping 180 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:11,220 his wife during a New Year's party. 181 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:13,860 Adam Curry: Do you remember this? Have you heard of this of 182 00:10:13,860 --> 00:10:16,740 him? So, I didn't know this. By the way. Biden just gave his 183 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:17,760 full support to Kamala, 184 00:10:18,270 --> 00:10:20,880 Unknown: and a certain ribbing endorsement from Hulk Hogan, the 185 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,720 longtime WWE character now infamous for dropping F bombs, 186 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,020 and suing Gawker out of existence with billionaire Peter 187 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:29,130 Thiel money. 188 00:10:29,310 --> 00:10:31,410 Adam Curry: I think she missed the part where he got radically 189 00:10:31,410 --> 00:10:35,340 saved and baptized like a year ago, but okay, but 190 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:39,150 Unknown: needless to say, Trump really dug their presentations. 191 00:10:39,630 --> 00:10:42,360 And it was also failed rapper turned in some kind of musician 192 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,800 or other Maga character, Kid Rock. Wow. 193 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,620 Adam Curry: He's one of the most successful touring acts of the 194 00:10:49,620 --> 00:10:51,450 moment after the intro. 195 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:53,880 John C Dvorak: Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's just okay, 196 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,280 but he's back in him in this good. This is good. After 197 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,980 Unknown: the intros, Trump made a dramatic entrance strutting 198 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:02,070 onto the stage with his last day Ben blazoned behind him in 199 00:11:02,070 --> 00:11:05,250 bright tacky lights. And he delivered what was essentially a 200 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:08,910 rally speech, a bizarre and boring stream of consciousness 201 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:13,560 rant, full of lies, complaints, and xenophobia. All of this 202 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:16,470 despite Trump and some in the media assuring us that he was a 203 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:20,550 changed man seeking what was it again? Oh, yes, unity. My 204 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:23,190 colleagues and I, we all had the speech in front of us last 205 00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:26,040 night. Okay. And the audience could also see the speech in 206 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,940 this big teleprompter. So we were trying to follow along, as 207 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:33,420 Trump veered off script and deep into a rambling series of lies 208 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:37,110 that stretch the speech from a time like maybe 25 minutes to 209 00:11:37,110 --> 00:11:40,980 more than 90. Journalists in the room reported that as Trump is 210 00:11:40,980 --> 00:11:44,040 banged on and on audience members were checking their 211 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,860 phones stealing glances at the teleprompter slumping in their 212 00:11:46,860 --> 00:11:50,490 chairs and even falling asleep. Some even left. Oh, 213 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,330 Adam Curry: wow. Okay, good job, Joy. Good, good. 214 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:57,120 John C Dvorak: You had you don't have the clip where she equates 215 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Biden getting COVID. With Trump. We get we played 216 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,280 Adam Curry: that in the last show. Oh, did we? Yeah, you want 217 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,480 to hear it again? I do have it. 218 00:12:03,630 --> 00:12:05,700 John C Dvorak: Yes. Play it again. A second. 219 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,410 Adam Curry: Joy. Here it is. 220 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:14,790 Unknown: Donald Trump is an elderly man who, for whatever 221 00:12:14,790 --> 00:12:16,560 reason was given. This 222 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,630 Adam Curry: may be a replay she doing this again? Because I 223 00:12:18,630 --> 00:12:24,000 remember she did it live with Jen Psaki sitting there or does 224 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,220 a psyche. It sounds very 225 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:27,990 John C Dvorak: easy wish she was sitting there with Jen Psaki. 226 00:12:27,990 --> 00:12:29,250 Maybe this is the same Donald 227 00:12:29,250 --> 00:12:32,760 Unknown: Trump is an elderly man who, for whatever reason was 228 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,600 given nine seconds to take a iconic photo op during an active 229 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,100 shooter situation, his survival of that and bouncing right back 230 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:43,980 and going right to his convention is being conveyed in 231 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:48,120 the media world as a sign of strength. This current President 232 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:53,010 of the United States is 81 years old, and has COVID. Should he be 233 00:12:53,010 --> 00:12:56,580 fine in a couple of days? Doesn't that convey exactly the 234 00:12:56,580 --> 00:13:00,240 same thing? That he's strong enough older than Trump to have 235 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,200 gotten something that used to really be fatal to people his 236 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:04,710 age? 237 00:13:05,070 --> 00:13:07,080 Adam Curry: I think I think we played that on Thursday. 238 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:11,610 John C Dvorak: So so if you take and listen to that, how does she 239 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:14,550 rationalize to Trump getting shot coming back on stage going 240 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:17,610 out and giving a speech to Biden getting COVID Then quitting the 241 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:18,360 campaign? 242 00:13:18,930 --> 00:13:21,300 Adam Curry: You're not actually taking her serious, you're not 243 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:22,470 gonna deconstruct what she 244 00:13:22,770 --> 00:13:24,870 John C Dvorak: is saying you have to take well, you have to 245 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:27,630 take her serious enough that she's making she's influential 246 00:13:27,630 --> 00:13:30,300 she wouldn't be on the air. And you know, these people. There's 247 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:34,290 a study that was just recently done by Fox that says, one in 248 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:39,540 three Democrats believe that the shooting was false. False flag. 249 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,470 Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, 250 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Unknown: hold on. I 251 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,660 Adam Curry: have. I have one of the premiere here. Here it is 252 00:13:45,660 --> 00:13:48,180 the premiere guy Keith Olbermann. After five 253 00:13:48,180 --> 00:13:52,680 Unknown: days of no confirmation that the injury to Trump's ear 254 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,500 and the assassination attempt was actually from a bullet. We 255 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:59,580 have to now assume that they're lying about something that 256 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:03,210 happened to Trump on Saturday. No one has confirmed it and 257 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:07,740 there is no good reason why no one has confirmed it. All that 258 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:11,640 and much more on the Thursday countdown edition of the podcast 259 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,590 now available wherever you podcast 260 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:15,210 Adam Curry: wherever you podcast wherever your 261 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:18,330 John C Dvorak: podcast by the way I feel saw the Rooney by 262 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:20,100 says it was real, by the way. 263 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,860 Adam Curry: Trump is is fake, but Sandy Hook was real. Just 264 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:26,160 that. 265 00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:29,700 John C Dvorak: So let's play this deconstructing Trump. This 266 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,800 is PBS along the lines of your last clips. 267 00:14:31,830 --> 00:14:34,680 Unknown: He made good on the promise of a unifying tone. 268 00:14:34,950 --> 00:14:39,300 As Americans we are bound together by a single fate and a 269 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:44,730 shared destiny. We rise together or we fall apart. He 270 00:14:44,730 --> 00:14:47,790 shared the story of surviving last weekend's assassination 271 00:14:47,790 --> 00:14:48,330 attempt. 272 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,060 The amazing thing is that prior to the shot, if I had not moved 273 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:59,100 my head at that very last instant, the assassin's bullet 274 00:14:59,130 --> 00:15:04,440 would have frankly, hit its mark. And I would not be here 275 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,640 tonight to spend. But 276 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,630 after that the tone and rhetoric shifted, as Trump staying on 277 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:13,770 brand, repeatedly went off script, repeating some stump 278 00:15:13,770 --> 00:15:17,550 speech claims that Republicans love, but which don't hold up 279 00:15:17,580 --> 00:15:21,810 Oh, under my presidency, we had the most secure border and best 280 00:15:21,810 --> 00:15:24,990 economy in the history of our country in the history of the 281 00:15:24,990 --> 00:15:28,050 world. We had no inflation soaring incomes, 282 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:32,820 so we call that false. Jacobson and PolitiFact. But for all the 283 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:36,540 standard metrics, things like the unemployment rate, things 284 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:43,800 like wages, wage growth, GDP, these the first three years of 285 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:48,780 Trump's tenure, we're not somehow the greatest in the US 286 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:52,980 history, we can find examples of better economies in the 60s, for 287 00:15:52,980 --> 00:15:56,610 instance, much less the entire world. 288 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:02,610 John C Dvorak: Now, a couple of things there one, he says we 289 00:16:02,610 --> 00:16:06,630 had, Trump says we had no inflation. We had the inflation 290 00:16:06,630 --> 00:16:10,710 rate was 1.8. That's not zero. No. So they call that a lie. 291 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:15,960 It's a lie and have no inflation we had 1.8 That's inflation is 292 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,710 the smallest 293 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:19,050 Adam Curry: low know what inflation even means. 294 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,110 John C Dvorak: And the other thing is, they never disputed 295 00:16:22,110 --> 00:16:25,590 his border policy. They just said he lied about his 296 00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:31,800 hyperbolic con. comment that the we had the best economy in the 297 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,130 history of the world wishes, you know, nobody's taking that too 298 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:38,130 seriously. Why there's probably been better economies during the 299 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:39,600 Roman times. But who cares. 300 00:16:39,630 --> 00:16:44,790 Adam Curry: But if you measure by the Dow at the time, the Dow 301 00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:48,390 was hitting new records, everyone's 401k was doing great. 302 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:48,930 Well, 303 00:16:48,930 --> 00:16:50,580 John C Dvorak: if you're gonna if you would do that, and you 304 00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:54,510 wanted to call it a lie, with the way you the way you would do 305 00:16:54,510 --> 00:16:58,830 it correctly, in my opinion, would be to say, well, you know, 306 00:16:58,830 --> 00:17:02,730 he bragged about the Dow, but Biden is taking it to new record 307 00:17:02,730 --> 00:17:07,140 highs, which he has, I mean, this was way over what it should 308 00:17:07,140 --> 00:17:08,670 be. It's in the 40,000 they can't 309 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:10,830 Adam Curry: give Biden credit for anything over there at PBS 310 00:17:10,830 --> 00:17:14,790 because he's gotta go. He's gotta go go anyway, anyway, 311 00:17:14,790 --> 00:17:16,440 John C Dvorak: here's, here's part two of this. 312 00:17:17,490 --> 00:17:20,370 Unknown: Another example bad things are going to happen. 313 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:24,900 Meanwhile, our crime rate is going up while crime statistics 314 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:27,930 all over the world are going down. That 315 00:17:27,930 --> 00:17:32,160 is mostly false. So violent crimes, the things that people 316 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,610 really care probably the most about, have been consistently 317 00:17:35,610 --> 00:17:38,850 going down under Biden, in terms of property crimes, at least 318 00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:41,220 some kinds of property crimes, particularly motor vehicle 319 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:46,620 thefts, those actually are up. So there's a grain of truth 320 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:53,220 there. But for the most part, most types of crime despite all 321 00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:57,810 the here on TV, and from, you know, Trump himself, actually, 322 00:17:58,290 --> 00:18:03,840 if you look at the total number, and the percentage, it's been 323 00:18:03,930 --> 00:18:06,840 going down for several years in a row, oh, man, 324 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:08,760 Adam Curry: now muta, Noca, 325 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,060 John C Dvorak: the who cares? Well, I didn't play the clip 326 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:19,950 because nobody cares. The point is, and PBS refuses to 327 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:23,640 acknowledge it, and very few outlets will, which is that for 328 00:18:23,670 --> 00:18:26,580 the last couple of years, the way crime statistics are 329 00:18:26,580 --> 00:18:33,960 reported has been changed at the at the FBI level, which is never 330 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,900 mentioned. So that sort of the numbers are always going to vary 331 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,600 from what they used to be because the ways reported is 332 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,930 change. And the police departments aren't reporting in 333 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:46,320 some cases anything because they just figured what's the point? 334 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,640 That's like Frederick, with a lot of unreported crimes and and 335 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,480 indeed, there's a lot of crimes like in California because of 336 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,760 prop 47. The shoplifting crimes that are reported not a crime 337 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,850 these are unreported so we have a situation where the reporting 338 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:06,210 is completely screwed up. So we really don't know have a clue 339 00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:08,100 about how bad it is. The 340 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:10,350 Adam Curry: biggest crime is joy Reid is still on the air. I 341 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:14,070 mean, that's, that's a chronic callback. It's like It's like 342 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:16,980 Fredericksburg. You know, if you look at our newspaper, oh, we 343 00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:20,010 had the sunshine Festival, the wine and cheese festival 344 00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:23,460 everything's groovy. Now talk about the about the drug 345 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:27,450 dealing, talking about the theft. Oh, no, it's all good. So 346 00:19:27,450 --> 00:19:28,800 beautiful. sound beautiful. 347 00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:31,590 John C Dvorak: Is there drug dealing in Fredericksburg? I 348 00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:33,180 don't know. Absolutely. 349 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,940 Adam Curry: Oh, we have. We have Ms. 13 up here. Oh, yeah, 350 00:19:35,970 --> 00:19:39,420 John C Dvorak: they just live you have Ms. 13. In Dendrix. Oh 351 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:41,460 Adam Curry: yeah, they work in Korea, but they live in 352 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:47,940 Fredericksburg. For sure, for sure. That's why we elected a 353 00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:53,700 new sheriff. Everyone's sick of it. So we I want to I want to 354 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:56,310 have three short clips here because Trump went to Michigan 355 00:19:56,310 --> 00:20:00,450 the next day, nor Yes, I saw part of that and and He has some 356 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:04,590 new stick. He has some he has some funny new stick, which I 357 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:08,040 liked a lot. Normally, this is your beat, I have three, three 358 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,360 quick punch lines all less than 30 seconds. And this is his 359 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:15,810 first one. This is about, you know, as he promised he would 360 00:20:15,810 --> 00:20:19,350 never talk about the shooting again. So of course, he's 361 00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:22,110 talking about the shooting again, and talking and talking 362 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:25,200 about him looking off to the sign. I never look at the sign. 363 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,500 I never look, I never look over there is amazing, you know, I 364 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:31,680 would have been dead who's you? What a great sign. Look 365 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,940 Unknown: at the great results that we had on immigration just 366 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:42,180 looking at them. If I didn't say that, and just because we had 367 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:46,080 like a crane holding this massive sign. I call it the 368 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,280 million dollar sign that they're expensive. But that sign was 369 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,620 very good. I think I'm going to sleep with it tonight. 370 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,570 John C Dvorak: Heard one good stick. Okay. He did. He did a 371 00:21:00,570 --> 00:21:06,150 prelude to that. Because as he was riffing on the RNC speech, 372 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:11,040 he came to him to talk about the importance of the sign because 373 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,640 he was doing that. That's not the bit he did, but I can see 374 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,600 where he developed it, 375 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:19,290 Adam Curry: ya know, and it's a good bit, and then this is an 376 00:21:19,290 --> 00:21:20,670 obvious one, but what 377 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:22,650 Unknown: they do is misinformation and 378 00:21:22,650 --> 00:21:25,650 disinformation. And they keep saying he's a threat to 379 00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:28,920 democracy. I'm saying What the hell did I do for democracy? 380 00:21:29,370 --> 00:21:31,740 Last week, I took a bullet for democracy. 381 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,990 Adam Curry: Come on, man. That's what you want from your 382 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:43,800 president. You want jokes. And this last one self deprecating 383 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,160 humor from Trump is always dynamite. You know, 384 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,890 Unknown: I have to just interject, if you would turn off 385 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:52,470 those cameras, because I don't want to see the screen up there 386 00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:57,300 of me. That's very severe that come over that says that's the 387 00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:02,340 severe sucker. What's with that one? It looks okay from the 388 00:22:02,340 --> 00:22:11,400 other side. But that is very severe. I apologize. I looked up 389 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:18,180 there. I said, Whoa. Look at that. Wow. That's like a work of 390 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:18,510 art. 391 00:22:19,050 --> 00:22:22,110 Adam Curry: I mean, making jokes about your own comb over comb 392 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:25,350 over is that's just classic. That's great. That's 393 00:22:26,010 --> 00:22:28,860 John C Dvorak: the thing is about a good third of the public 394 00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:34,530 doesn't see any humor, anything he does now just beyond me. It's 395 00:22:34,530 --> 00:22:38,880 hilarious. So I do have the clips from Brooks and K part 396 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,260 talking about all this. 397 00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:43,170 Adam Curry: Okay, let's do that. And then before we get to some 398 00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:45,630 shooter stuff, because I do have some things to talk about there. 399 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,640 Let us also do the CrowdStrike thing, but let's go to Brooks 400 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,090 and boy, 401 00:22:51,090 --> 00:22:54,810 John C Dvorak: yeah, yeah. Now, I gotta tell you saw the 402 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:55,740 CrowdStrike stuff. 403 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:58,620 Adam Curry: Everyone's we all got crowds. It's too much. It's 404 00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:01,050 too much cross. But yes. Okay. K part, 405 00:23:01,050 --> 00:23:04,560 John C Dvorak: but it's important. Yeah, it is. Okay, 406 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,320 we're going to Brooks and K part. This was on last Friday's 407 00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:09,000 PBS news hour. 408 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:11,250 Unknown: We were all together every night of the Republican 409 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:14,370 National Convention. You were there as night after night, 410 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:18,090 Jonathan. People would say, Mr. Trump has been changed. He's a 411 00:23:18,090 --> 00:23:21,540 more contemplative man. Now after that attempt on his life 412 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:24,540 that he's going to deliver a unity message that turned out 413 00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:27,210 not to be true. When we heard his speech. What did you take 414 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,710 away from his remarks in the end? 415 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:32,670 Well, what we heard last night in Milwaukee was his stump 416 00:23:32,670 --> 00:23:36,540 speech. Now, most people probably didn't realize that was 417 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,960 his stump speech, because the convention is the one time when 418 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,080 maybe more people than usual are watching. This was an 419 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,400 opportunity for Donald Trump to represent himself to the nation, 420 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,280 certainly after the the attempted assassination, the 421 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:54,810 assassination attempt. But what we saw in the first 30 minutes 422 00:23:54,810 --> 00:23:59,610 was you know, sort of new sort of measured Donald Trump but at 423 00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:04,020 the 30 minute mark, just about in came crazy, Nancy Pelosi. And 424 00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:04,170 by 425 00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:06,930 Adam Curry: the way, by the way, 30 minutes exactly what I said 426 00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:09,690 right after primetime, and then he's off to the races 427 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,650 Unknown: just about in came crazy. Nancy Pelosi, and it went 428 00:24:13,650 --> 00:24:17,760 downhill from there. And so you know, it was it was grievance, 429 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,930 it was anger, there was a lot of attention paid or illegal 430 00:24:21,930 --> 00:24:25,470 immigration, what he wanted to do about that. And I just think 431 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:29,310 it was a missed opportunity on the point on the part of the 432 00:24:29,310 --> 00:24:32,730 former president because he has been basically silent for the 433 00:24:32,730 --> 00:24:35,370 last three weeks because of the implosion happening on the 434 00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:40,230 Democratic side. And yet he took that took that chance yesterday 435 00:24:40,260 --> 00:24:43,650 and just showed the country what his party what his faithful have 436 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:45,150 been seeing for months now, 437 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:49,470 Adam Curry: that before we continue. Let's just talk for a 438 00:24:49,470 --> 00:24:54,450 second about Trump's thinking here, because they handed out 439 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:59,550 the written speech to the media or at least pieces of it before 440 00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:01,590 he spoke. Okay, they were already read because I was 441 00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:04,020 switching around, they were ramping up to it. Oh, it's gonna 442 00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:08,610 be really reconciliatory. It's going to be unifying. What is 443 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,060 his besides the strategy that I think he had, which is let me do 444 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:15,030 all that stuff in prime time and then let her rip. What do you 445 00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:18,360 think about his thinking of going in and out and bringing 446 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,590 back some of the tropes? 447 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:26,850 John C Dvorak: I thought it was I enjoyed the speech. It was I 448 00:25:26,850 --> 00:25:29,730 didn't even think it was that long. In fact, I, of course, I 449 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:33,420 was talking to me about this again. And we we've documented 450 00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:37,950 this, the two of us on this show, starting in 2015, where we 451 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:42,660 started to notice him go long, because when he first began as a 452 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:47,460 candidate, he was it was going around 2025 minutes, maybe even 453 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:50,430 shorter. And then he was starting to stretch it further 454 00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:52,920 and further and further. And this is one of those things 455 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,730 where he got when he got to an hour we used to comment on he 456 00:25:56,730 --> 00:25:59,190 was doing an hour he go from place to place to play, 457 00:25:59,190 --> 00:26:02,070 sometimes two or three speeches a day, and he do an hour they 458 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:07,530 started doing 115. Then he got like this most to go round. He's 459 00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:11,520 doing consistently doing an hour and a half. But he's holding the 460 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,460 audience. It's not like, you know, people were walking out in 461 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:17,460 droves, because he was so boring, because he's not. I 462 00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:18,450 think he's great. 463 00:26:18,570 --> 00:26:20,970 Adam Curry: Yeah, me too. And I think the audience thought it 464 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:24,270 was well, in fact, if anything, they wanted more, they wanted a 465 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:25,260 little more of that. 466 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,710 John C Dvorak: Like when I was watching it, I didn't think he 467 00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:32,190 had gone the hour and a half. And he was at 92 minutes when he 468 00:26:32,190 --> 00:26:38,220 quit. It's it's just it's just I think his pace and flow is good. 469 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:41,850 I think he knows how to do this, right? He's got it down. He's 470 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:44,460 worked on it so many times that he can do an hour and a half, 471 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:48,210 like falling off a log, he can probably move it up to 145. Even 472 00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:49,650 though I think that'd be pushing it. By 473 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:52,830 Adam Curry: the way. Can I just say that's not easy to do. 474 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:55,080 You're a public speaker, I'm a public speaker, it's 475 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,130 John C Dvorak: very hard to do to do. You can do it. If you're 476 00:26:59,130 --> 00:27:03,300 a public speaker, it's usually very easy to do an hour, 45 477 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:04,110 minutes, 45 478 00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:05,820 Adam Curry: minutes, and then q&a done. 479 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,930 John C Dvorak: That's the typical public speaker. But to 480 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:16,230 do an hour and a half solid, have pretty much off the cuff. I 481 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:18,210 mean, he does goes to the prompter, and you can tell the 482 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:21,930 difference because of his cadence. But doing an hour and a 483 00:27:21,930 --> 00:27:25,440 half with or without priming. When I gave a lot of speeches, I 484 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,520 would use PowerPoint presentations as the prompter. 485 00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,990 Yeah, because I would you have 30 smallest points of 30 slides, 486 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:38,490 you know, you're going to be about for 38 minutes. I do 487 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,640 probably run around 20 slides, but I did say each slide would 488 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,760 have a bunch of really bullet points on it. And I would tag 489 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,570 the slide. If I was if I start to forget what I was going to be 490 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:49,110 talking I 491 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:51,810 Adam Curry: would pay good money for an old Jhansi Dvorak 492 00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:54,660 PowerPoint presentation. I'm sure a few of them are floating 493 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:58,170 around here. You have one on an on a disk drive somewhere. I bet 494 00:27:58,170 --> 00:27:59,340 it's great. Yeah, I 495 00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:01,530 John C Dvorak: bet they're great. Probably right next to my 496 00:28:01,530 --> 00:28:06,570 other stuff lost in the house. Like, anyway, the point is, is 497 00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:09,750 that you're doing an hour and a half. And to do it sometimes 498 00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:14,430 twice a day. It's just ridiculous. And it's it should 499 00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:18,180 be admired, not condemned. I agree. I agree. Although, you 500 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:23,100 know, I think in that situation of the DEA and the RNC, he could 501 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:27,240 have probably cut it to an hour and it wouldn't nobody would 502 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,550 complain. I like to like if it would. I liked listening to him 503 00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:34,560 for an hour. I don't like listening to an hour and a half 504 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,400 all the time, because I've only heard maybe five of his whole 505 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,520 speeches because they're just they're too long. Yeah. But 506 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,650 they're enjoyable, but they're just too long. I don't have that 507 00:28:43,650 --> 00:28:44,760 much time just and 508 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,770 Adam Curry: it was it was a Thursday night we'd done the 509 00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:48,750 show, you know you chill. 510 00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:50,790 John C Dvorak: Yeah, I have no problem watching on Thursday 511 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:51,660 night. Back 512 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:53,610 Adam Curry: and Martini. You know, it's like, Yeah, bring it 513 00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:55,320 on. This is good. Let's go. Let's go. 514 00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:59,670 John C Dvorak: Alright, yeah, can bring back a martini after 515 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:09,210 the show. wasted. So anyway, onward with Brooks and key part 516 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:11,340 because there's a funny couple of funny bits in here. 517 00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:13,860 Unknown: David, did we get a sense that you had a sense of 518 00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:16,950 what a second Trump administration would look like 519 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:19,710 from those remarks? And to Jonathan's point, was that a 520 00:29:19,710 --> 00:29:20,640 missed opportunity? 521 00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:23,100 Yeah, I mean, first, I should say, I think it was an extremely 522 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:25,860 successful convention. I thought, you know, the spirit 523 00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:29,790 was unlike any other convention I've been to. People were 524 00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:32,160 joyful. People were unified. There were a lot of good 525 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,130 spirits, speakers, a lot of good, memorable moments. There 526 00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:37,650 was only one bad speaker and the problem for the Republicans it 527 00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:41,430 was from the nominee. And so I agree with Jonathan, I agree 528 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:43,860 with Jonathan. I agree with Jonathan that it was it was 529 00:29:43,860 --> 00:29:46,830 sorted out well, and then it just deteriorated. And what it 530 00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:50,070 said to me the guy who had only one job, there were remarks on a 531 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:53,280 teleprompter. All he had to do was read the remarks and he 532 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,820 would be crude. 533 00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:57,120 Adam Curry: That would mean you could be president moron. No, 534 00:29:57,150 --> 00:29:58,830 no, that's not how it worked. Just read the 535 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:01,260 Unknown: teleprompter and be present. Densho made the remarks 536 00:30:01,290 --> 00:30:02,640 and he stops 537 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160 John C Dvorak: up. So I want to meet you. I've always thought 538 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,040 this because I've been I was giving a lot of talks, I would 539 00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:11,580 go to these events and hear other people. Obviously you do 540 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:16,080 that. And one of the things I've always been bugged by or people 541 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,590 that either read their speech they had an on paper, yeah. 542 00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:22,950 Usually didn't have teleprompters at most events is, 543 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,570 for most general conferences, there's not teleprompters there. 544 00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:29,970 Because you know, Bayview work in a studio, there's 545 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:35,190 teleprompters, but they would sit there and they had their 546 00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:40,110 speech written out, and they would read the speech for 45 547 00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:43,380 minutes, like you said, 45 minutes, and maybe some q&a. And 548 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:47,910 I'm thinking, why am I listening to somebody read a speech, just 549 00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:50,490 send me the speech, I could probably read it to myself 550 00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:54,900 faster. It was I always found it very annoying to listen to some 551 00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:58,380 public speaker. The best public speakers are very 552 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:02,550 conversational. Mike. I heard Ray Bradbury was a good example. 553 00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:06,450 I got to see him and breakfast of them the next day to just to 554 00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:11,400 name drop there. Oh, I wonder what Hey, Ray Ray Bradbury would 555 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,480 just talk. And it was fascinating, because he's an 556 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,320 interesting guy. 557 00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:20,340 Adam Curry: By the way, that's exactly what Tucker did to. Yes, 558 00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:24,090 Tucker came out. 1012 minutes. Just no prompter just talking. 559 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,110 He's very good at that. Tucker is an excellent orator. 560 00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:32,610 John C Dvorak: Yes, I agree. Okay, can I'm sorry, continue 561 00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:33,090 the clip. 562 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:36,000 Unknown: All he had to do was read the remarks, and he would 563 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,410 be cruising today. But he has incapable of self control, 564 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:44,940 incapable of non self indulgence, incapable of non 565 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:48,480 narcissism. And so what I took away from the speech was any 566 00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:52,380 hope that some people may have heard that a second Trump term 567 00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:54,450 would look different than the first Trump term because the guy 568 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:57,360 is suddenly organized and disciplined. That hope has to go 569 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,450 out the window. I mean, the second Trump term looks to be as 570 00:32:00,450 --> 00:32:03,660 shambolic and as chaotic as the first Trump term was if it 571 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:07,290 happens, because the guy's incapable of self control. I 572 00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:09,930 Adam Curry: love how everyone has to if he wins, do you hear 573 00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:13,860 that constantly? Well, there's this new Trump presidency. If it 574 00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:16,050 happens, they'll catch themselves. Yeah, they'll 575 00:32:16,050 --> 00:32:18,960 John C Dvorak: catch him. So they make one more complaint 576 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,920 here. Okay. Why do we have Brooks and K part? But like he 577 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,100 says, I agree with him on I agree with you more. So I, Chip 578 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,490 and Dale, it's unbelievable. Why don't we have somebody that 579 00:32:29,490 --> 00:32:32,910 actually has a perspective that's different. We have two 580 00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:36,450 people. This is the crap that PBS puts out. And it shouldn't 581 00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:40,140 be supported by anybody that listens to this show. They have 582 00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:42,600 two people that are in total agreement with each other and 583 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,840 all they do is reconfirm what the other guy said, This is not 584 00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:47,820 of any value to the audience. 585 00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:50,550 Adam Curry: And that's why we're giving it to our audience so 586 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:52,680 they can have valueless value. 587 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:56,400 John C Dvorak: Okay, that's a good one. Nice, dry. 588 00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:00,540 Adam Curry: Onward. Number three, yes, please, 589 00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:01,830 Unknown: much more dangerous 590 00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:05,340 kind of vicious language targeting really black and brown 591 00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:08,760 immigrants talking about them carrying disease and attacking 592 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,880 women and stealing jobs. Did that stick out to you at all? 593 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,820 Adam Curry: If he had said that? I didn't hear black and brown 594 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:20,130 immigrants. I didn't hear that whatever 595 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,860 Unknown: jobs did that stick out to you at all? Yes, I 596 00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:26,280 did. It's paradoxical. And I can't remember another ticket 597 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,630 where both candidates are married to an immigrant or 598 00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:34,080 children of immigrants, illegal immigrants. I think what's 599 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,830 happened is that global populism has done two things. One is fed 600 00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:41,070 on each other the or bonds Giorgia Maloney is the Marine Le 601 00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:42,900 Pen's and, and this has 602 00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:46,860 Adam Curry: to stop too. By the way. This is a very mainstream 603 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:52,980 thing when you are just an empty suit of vapid waste of co2. The 604 00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:57,480 GA Maloney's the Tucker Carlson's the Keith Olbermann 605 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,220 means that there's only one of each of those people. It's 606 00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:04,320 starting to work on my nerves. 607 00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:08,760 John C Dvorak: You know what I mean? But what do you think that 608 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,650 the psychology is behind doing it? Why, you know, they they 609 00:34:13,650 --> 00:34:17,610 cite or bond and how about this trying to demonize these people 610 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:19,650 by grouping them together? Yeah, but 611 00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:21,779 Adam Curry: you group them by the like this. There's only one 612 00:34:21,779 --> 00:34:24,119 Georgia Maloney. There's not a whole bunch of Georgia 613 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,549 Maloney's. There's no one. She's 614 00:34:26,549 --> 00:34:28,079 John C Dvorak: a totally different person than Marine 615 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:32,069 LePen and totally different than Orban they're very singular. The 616 00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:35,639 only thing they have maybe in common is what these guys like 617 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,209 to define as popular. You don't populism you don't 618 00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:42,210 Adam Curry: say the Adolf Hitler's you know, there was 619 00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:47,850 only one. So it's a weird it's a weird thing. And it's, I think 620 00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:50,280 it shows low IQ honestly. One 621 00:34:50,279 --> 00:34:53,579 Unknown: is fed on each other. The autobahns GA Maloney is the 622 00:34:53,579 --> 00:34:54,719 Marine LePen once you 623 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:59,430 Adam Curry: just say Orban Maloney LePen that would be I 624 00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,530 don't know this something weird about it that I haven't quite 625 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:02,040 figured out 626 00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:04,890 Unknown: what it's fed on each other the or bonds the GA 627 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:08,130 Maloney's, the Marinela pens and, and the Donald Trump's have 628 00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:11,310 fed. This anti immigrant theme is the thing that unites them 629 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:15,090 globally. And so it's gotten uglier and darker and Trump, our 630 00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:18,570 grievance has gotten more menacing. But at the same time 631 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,840 bid Maga is a much more intellectually serious movement 632 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,260 than it was. It has an agenda. It has a group of intellectuals 633 00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:29,040 that has a group of magazines, all of which is magazines. I 634 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:29,250 hadn't 635 00:35:29,250 --> 00:35:32,340 Adam Curry: heard that. I hadn't heard the magazines. 636 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,590 John C Dvorak: I don't know anything about the magazines. By 637 00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:34,890 the way. I 638 00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:38,370 Adam Curry: think that's a fantastic products. You know, AI 639 00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:43,200 guns, zine ar 15 magazines telling you, there's a product 640 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,110 right there. Hello, no, that's a good one. Yeah, mag, 641 00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:50,310 Unknown: all of which is is personified by JD Vance. And the 642 00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:53,520 fact that the teamsters were the president was represented there 643 00:35:54,030 --> 00:35:57,870 was a sign that something much bigger here is happening, that 644 00:35:57,870 --> 00:36:01,200 Trump's grievance and the ugliness is true. But the idea 645 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,990 that there is an intellectual movement here on defense of the 646 00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:06,780 working class, that is also true. And so I think both those 647 00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:09,270 realities, one kind of impressive the way they've 648 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:11,730 intellectually come together around that agenda, and the 649 00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:15,660 other kind of alarming that the level of prejudice seems only to 650 00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:16,170 increase. 651 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:21,600 Adam Curry: rather alarming. The level of prejudice, prejudice 652 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,130 seems to increase. Oh, my God. They they this is the way they 653 00:36:26,130 --> 00:36:30,450 talk on the Upper East Side at those dinner parties. Rush or 654 00:36:30,450 --> 00:36:34,050 Briefing Books, rah rah, shrinker lovers. Yeah. 655 00:36:35,850 --> 00:36:37,470 John C Dvorak: Yeah. So far 656 00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:41,280 Adam Curry: divorced from normal people and podcasters that 657 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:45,330 they're losing my attention. Luckily, only one more. Do you 658 00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:45,990 need setup? 659 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,410 John C Dvorak: No setup. This is a key part telling it like it 660 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:50,700 is. Jonathan, 661 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,430 Unknown: you reference the implosion within the Democratic 662 00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:57,090 Party right now telling me about how what we saw happen inside 663 00:36:57,090 --> 00:37:00,150 the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee is 664 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:03,420 impacting what's happening on the Democratic ticket right now. 665 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:06,570 It doesn't seem like it's impacting it at all. But I just 666 00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:08,850 want to push back on one thing that David said it was more than 667 00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:12,870 one bad speaker, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, Eric 668 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:16,380 Trump, Speaker Johnson. These were people who were also 669 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:20,850 feeding red meat to the Trump faithful in in the hall. Now, 670 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:24,600 you would you would think that the Democrats would be focused 671 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:27,450 on not just Donald Trump's speech, but all the other 672 00:37:27,450 --> 00:37:31,170 speeches that were happening in the lead up to Senator Vance's 673 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:35,070 speech and Donald Trump's speech. But instead, Democrats 674 00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:38,970 have been spending all their time trying to push out the 675 00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:42,330 sitting president of their own party from running as the 676 00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:46,350 nominee of their party and you have the President having 677 00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:50,610 contracted COVID be in isolation and Jehovah's having all of 678 00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:55,560 these people bringing more pressure to bear on him to get 679 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,990 out of the race, just as we're on the air. I don't know if 680 00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:01,080 you've reported it yet. Senator Sherrod Brown just said that the 681 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,340 President should should give up his reelection bid. What 682 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:08,310 does that say to you that Sherrod Brown, someone who has 683 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:11,430 known Joe Biden for as long as he has in a critical state of 684 00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:13,530 Ohio, that he's come forward to do this. And 685 00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:17,250 this tells me that the pressure is going to continue to mount 686 00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:21,300 that. It could be that the President will have no choice 687 00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:24,990 but to give up his reelection campaign. But the big concern I 688 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:29,490 have is great. You guys succeed in getting President President 689 00:38:29,490 --> 00:38:32,610 Biden to give up his presidential bid, but you don't 690 00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:36,060 say who should be the top of the ticket? And I'll say it again, 691 00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:39,300 if vice president Kamala Harris is not the top of the ticket 692 00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:42,330 Democrats are guaranteed to lose. Yeah, 693 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,400 Adam Curry: I agree. I agree most most so to see if they pass 694 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,640 or lose anyway with her. Oh, but it'll be fun. And be fun. Couple 695 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,810 more terrible. 696 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:58,620 John C Dvorak: Low thinks that the blacks are going to turn out 697 00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:02,040 in droves to vote for Kamala Harris or Kamala no is her name 698 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,130 Kamal? I like binge be pronouncing his she was black or 699 00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:07,230 Camela if she was a white girl and Mo 700 00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:10,740 Adam Curry: is saying is that the the black women who still 701 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:13,950 are all in loyal will be outraged. 702 00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:16,980 John C Dvorak: And when they will be the black women will 703 00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:20,250 come out but the black woman would have voted for Biden so 704 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:25,200 wouldn't really change anything. But they might bail. They won't 705 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,460 Adam Curry: vote they won't go vote. 706 00:39:26,730 --> 00:39:29,070 John C Dvorak: Yeah. Now I agree with that. But what about the 707 00:39:29,070 --> 00:39:32,340 black men does have anything to say about that? I can't see 708 00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:35,820 black any black male wanting to vote for No, no. Comala 709 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:38,130 Adam Curry: for Trump, they're voting for Trump. But I'm just 710 00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:42,600 saying that from a party perspective skipping over the 711 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,160 black woman it would be destructive to their entire No, 712 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:51,810 John C Dvorak: we've we V Yeah. I have being put this into play 713 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,120 long time because it can't be done a couple of 714 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,280 Adam Curry: things. And then I want to then I want to go to 715 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,710 CrowdStrike and then we'll come back to because the conspiracy 716 00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:05,190 therapist needs to step in The last song that Trump played or 717 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:07,440 that was, I guess he does the playlist. I think he does the 718 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,280 playlists. These are his songs is what he likes. So during the 719 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,450 balloon drop, oh, it's the balloon drop. Did you do you 720 00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:20,160 catch the song? Nessun Dorma. For you he 721 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:25,800 John C Dvorak: was to do was to with the FBI also did a version 722 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,830 of some other patriotic song at the very end. 723 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,980 Adam Curry: He before that, now at the very end, that's not the 724 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:35,910 last song. Norma was the last song was the very last song at 725 00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:40,380 the very, very end. And although I think I've heard this before, 726 00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:43,950 I can't remember where in connection to Trump. What a lot 727 00:40:43,950 --> 00:40:47,340 of people were sending me is Do you know what this means? And 728 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:52,110 I'm like, No, it's a power. I know. It's a Pavarotti top 10. 729 00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:57,720 No, it is a song that's played at the end of the movie some of 730 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:02,130 the world and which I have not seen, but I've now gone back and 731 00:41:02,130 --> 00:41:05,340 I've seen the clips. And so the subplot of this movie. So this 732 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:09,750 is Russia, blows up a nuke in America. And it's really between 733 00:41:09,780 --> 00:41:13,530 between Russia and the United States. But it's the subplot is 734 00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:17,340 the President of the United States, they plot to take them 735 00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:20,490 out with an assassination attempt, which fails, as at the 736 00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:23,640 very end of the movie, where the President United States is 737 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,720 signing a peace treaty with the Russian president. This song 738 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:32,010 starts to play. And then you see Hitman going around to every 739 00:41:32,010 --> 00:41:35,850 single one of the people who are involved in the conspiracy to 740 00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:38,040 assassinate the president and they're shooting him in the 741 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,770 head. They're blowing up their cars, they're slitting their 742 00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:46,380 throats. And people saw that as very symbolic Godfather Part One 743 00:41:46,380 --> 00:41:52,410 very much so very, I thought and I like Yeah, good one. Put them 744 00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:58,410 on notice. Anyway, we'll get back to we got to talk about JD 745 00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:02,850 Vance. We got to talk about the about the conspiracies whirling 746 00:42:02,850 --> 00:42:06,330 around because that is of course what I do. But first, let's go 747 00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:09,510 to something that actually impacted the entire world in a 748 00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:10,680 massive way. It's 749 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,800 Unknown: a massive computer outage wreaking havoc worldwide 750 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,130 grounding flights across the globe, hitting airlines, banks, 751 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,000 stores, and even some 911 services. It makes 752 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,580 taking care of people in the emergency room extremely 753 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:27,660 difficult, and time consuming as if it wasn't already the 754 00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:30,750 outage appears to stem from an update from a cybersecurity 755 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:34,410 company called CrowdStrike. Causing users of Microsoft 756 00:42:34,410 --> 00:42:38,940 Windows operating systems to crash CrowdStrike tells NBC News 757 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:42,450 at suffered a major outage impacting businesses globally. 758 00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:46,230 The CEO says in a statement CrowdStrike is actively working 759 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:50,490 with customers impacted by a defect found in a single content 760 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,720 update. That is not a security incident or cyber attack. At 761 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,530 least three major US airlines Delta American and united 762 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,910 grounded flights earlier this morning. The FAA says several 763 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:05,970 airlines requested assistance lines have been growing at 764 00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:07,290 airports nationwide. 765 00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:11,130 There's no information there's no flights taking off, you have 766 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:13,260 no idea what's going on, American 767 00:43:13,260 --> 00:43:16,650 says has now been able to safely reestablish our operation. 768 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,400 Across the country users on social media have been posting 769 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,580 messages of their computer screens stuck on what's called 770 00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:28,260 the Blue Screen of Death. Around the World. Microsoft has 771 00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:31,500 released a statement saying we acknowledge how impactful this 772 00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:34,920 is to our customers. And we are working to restore services for 773 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,040 those still experiencing disruptions as quickly as 774 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,450 possible. So 775 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:41,040 Adam Curry: a couple things before we get into some other 776 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,230 clips here first of all, technically, that's not really 777 00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:46,620 the blue screen of death, the blue screen of death is you get 778 00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:50,700 a bunch of binary code. I mean this Microsoft still uses the 779 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:54,450 blue screen. It was far from the blue screen of death because 780 00:43:54,450 --> 00:44:00,060 there was a relatively easy fix, which people could do. But I 781 00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:03,510 hope everybody was nice to their dudes named Ben and dudettes 782 00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:07,560 named Bernadette because this was a nightmare for sis admins. 783 00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:11,400 Since almost every computer I talked to Dave Jones at quite 784 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,030 some length about this. Basically every computer that 785 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:21,180 was affected had to be manually manually restored which means 786 00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:23,520 hands on or you have to walk someone through it over the 787 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,990 phone. And of course the the fun part of this and I've learned 788 00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:34,650 this myself if you have machines that have BitLocker then you got 789 00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:40,590 to make sure you got all those BitLocker unlock codes and you 790 00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:43,260 wind up typing those in every single time that boots up it's 791 00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:51,660 very arduous process very, very annoying. I just from what I 792 00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:56,430 understand that crowd CrowdStrike releases these 793 00:44:56,460 --> 00:45:00,270 updates all the time, so I was kind of like wow, why Would you 794 00:45:00,270 --> 00:45:05,940 do this on a Friday morning, early or late Thursday night? It 795 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:10,530 was, you know, it's a no point error, it's seems like something 796 00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:14,340 that could have been avoided. Why wouldn't you test this? For 797 00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:16,320 those of you who had your, if you're in a corporate 798 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480 environment course, I had no problem with the unit, neither. 799 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,740 If you had your computer shut down during the night, this is a 800 00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:25,830 little tip. If you shut down your computer, at the end of the 801 00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:29,850 day, if something like this happens, you're more likely to 802 00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:34,830 boot up after they fix it and get a proper version or not a 803 00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:38,580 bug version. So it would not affect you at all. And so I 804 00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:41,580 think a lot of sis admins are learning that they have to get 805 00:45:41,580 --> 00:45:47,670 their their workers to shut down the computers at night. But wow, 806 00:45:47,700 --> 00:45:53,040 did this show how vulnerable the world is to this centralized 807 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,990 system? That was nothing 808 00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:57,390 John C Dvorak: like nothing. This is microservices 809 00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:58,290 architecture. 810 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,830 Adam Curry: Yeah. But it comes from one spot. Well, that 811 00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:05,130 John C Dvorak: one element amongst the micro services comes 812 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:07,980 from one spot. And this is the problem. It could have been from 813 00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:12,480 any any number of these crappy systems that are but it's a 814 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,190 centralized together. It's 815 00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:17,190 Adam Curry: a centralized bug. Now it's I understand your 816 00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:20,550 microservices thing. But that's not what that is. This is 817 00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:26,250 everybody on one service. That's the problem. Everybody on one 818 00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:29,640 service, except, of course, Southwest Airlines, who still 819 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,900 run on Windows 3.1, and Windows 95. And they their computers 820 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,300 work just fine, which is probably the most beautiful 821 00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:40,560 message I've read in a long time. Tina was actually flying 822 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,240 out she's on a Southwest is fine. 823 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,920 John C Dvorak: But actually, there's some irony. Oh, yeah. to 824 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,760 an extreme. 825 00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:50,250 Adam Curry: I go that's Well, hold on. Before we get there. 826 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,340 Before we get to a couple more things. Just to show you the 827 00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:56,820 severity of this because we we've heard we've heard reports 828 00:46:56,820 --> 00:47:00,600 and airline Jaya, this and that So Christina, who works in 829 00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:06,030 basically One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. People with like 830 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:09,960 drug addiction and other issues. She said they couldn't use the 831 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,980 phones, you know, none of the computers worked and the 832 00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:18,300 Netherlands, Schiphol Airport completely shut down KLM and 833 00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:22,830 subsequently Delta grounded because they're so integrated. 834 00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:26,670 They're like an annex of Microsoft Windows architecture. 835 00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:29,850 So everybody should be rethinking this stuff because 836 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,210 you know, yeah, it was CrowdStrike today, it could be a 837 00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:37,350 bad Windows update tomorrow. A boots on the ground from one of 838 00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:42,150 our producers hospital just to give you an idea of Ohio State 839 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:45,390 Cincinnati Children's Cleveland Clinic all hit pretty hard. They 840 00:47:45,390 --> 00:47:48,180 had to cancel emergency surgeries not show a show how 841 00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:52,140 they're functioning at all. He says here's a real life example 842 00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:56,040 from UPMC. In Pittsburgh, every unit has a medicine dispensing 843 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,930 cabinet, think vending machine for drugs nice. The nurses have 844 00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:03,870 to pull from that to administer any drugs to patients because of 845 00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:06,210 course you know, they gotta protect us because nurses 846 00:48:06,210 --> 00:48:09,810 otherwise getting high and so almost out the back door. All 847 00:48:09,810 --> 00:48:13,620 the medicine cabinets blue screen calls start to generate 848 00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:16,470 by five in the morning the vendor that supplies support for 849 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:19,590 the cabinets was pressured not to wait for a fix because people 850 00:48:19,590 --> 00:48:22,530 need their medication. So service technicians went in 851 00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:27,390 started replacing hard drives, which is not just a swap all the 852 00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:29,850 information that the cabinet previously held the stored on a 853 00:48:29,850 --> 00:48:32,670 server from the vendor. And of course, that's where all the 854 00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:35,580 configurations drugs and quantities patient information. 855 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,700 So they replaced the hard drives but the server was affected so 856 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:41,040 they couldn't download anything. The cabinet was still not 857 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,500 restored. The only way to access these drugs is through 858 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,920 specialized proprietary keys that unlock mechanical overrides 859 00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:52,110 in these are real, real problems that people went through payment 860 00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:56,070 terminals banks. Mind you Bitcoin worked just fine. This 861 00:48:56,070 --> 00:48:56,730 is a side note. 862 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,310 John C Dvorak: So I wouldn't it? Well, I mean, mind you, my 863 00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:03,900 computer work just fine. 864 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:06,690 Adam Curry: My point is that people couldn't use their they 865 00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:09,180 couldn't pay for stuff. They couldn't buy stuff they couldn't 866 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:10,530 use get their money. 867 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,850 John C Dvorak: I want to just as a note, let me read this boots 868 00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:19,470 on the ground. This is producer Eric. I'm a dude named Ben for 869 00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:21,990 one of the larger counties in Iowa, you got this note. 870 00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:25,950 Approximately two years ago, the state of Iowa's CTO signed a 871 00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:29,640 contract with CrowdStrike that would allow the state of Iowa to 872 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,760 offer the Falken endpoint application suite, which is what 873 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,080 we're talking about to every county municipality, police, 874 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:43,830 Sheriff's Department, prisons, et cetera, for free. Yeah, yeah, 875 00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:46,380 I'd never I still have yet to figure out what their business 876 00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:48,930 model is. If they're given this away, your entity would sign an 877 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:51,780 agreement that you would install this application on all your 878 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:55,650 endpoints and the state of Iowa's own NOC would Manage 879 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,860 Alerts etc. For each of these entities, the adoption rate was 880 00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:03,150 over 75% Amongst these groups, I mean, it's free. In meetings 881 00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:06,420 I've attended with other county IT staff statewide, the question 882 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:09,150 was raised as to why some of the room didn't take up to free 883 00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:13,830 offer. The main points were lack of control. Yeah, to get 884 00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:17,880 somebody it guys doing. Yeah, lack of control of your endpoint 885 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,080 security and, quote, if we are all in the same protection, we 886 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,640 all have the same exposure. 887 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,130 Adam Curry: Yes, connection is protection. 888 00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:29,970 John C Dvorak: I was called by our 911 dispatchers about five 889 00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:33,300 minutes after all the systems in our comm center started 890 00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,450 rebooting Yeah, as well as our jail. 891 00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:39,540 Adam Curry: Reboot the jail. 892 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,060 John C Dvorak: This is ridiculous. 893 00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:44,310 Adam Curry: What's not like people? This is not like we 894 00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:46,380 didn't all know this. Well, you 895 00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:48,510 John C Dvorak: and I have been bitching about CrowdStrike since 896 00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:50,070 the pew pew days, here we 897 00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:52,560 Unknown: go. Alright, Clinton paid for it. And the Democrats a 898 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:57,480 lot of it had to do they say with Ukraine, but Mr. President 899 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,600 are interesting. It's very interesting. They have this 900 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,870 server right from the DNC Democratic National Committee 901 00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:07,410 who has the the FBI went in and they told him get out of here, 902 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:09,600 you're not gonna We're not giving it to you. They gave the 903 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,170 server to CrowdStrike, or whatever it's called, which is a 904 00:51:13,170 --> 00:51:17,910 country which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And 905 00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:20,820 I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never 906 00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:24,780 gotten that server. That's a big part of this whole thing. Why 907 00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:26,880 did they give it to a Ukrainian company where 908 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,690 you are they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine? 909 00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:31,290 No, 910 00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:33,600 that's what the word is. And that's what I asked, actually, 911 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,510 in my phone call if you know, I mean, I asked it very point 912 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:40,140 blank, because we're looking for corruption. There's tremendous 913 00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:43,560 corruption we're looking for, why should we be giving hundreds 914 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,470 of millions of dollars to countries where there's this 915 00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:47,430 kind of corruption? 916 00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:49,740 Adam Curry: So that's the first thing I thought of when this 917 00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:54,300 happened. Just going back to the convention, whatever we do, 918 00:51:54,330 --> 00:51:57,990 we've got Biden out sick, we've got Trump, you know, he's, he's 919 00:51:57,990 --> 00:52:00,240 going to be the story of the day, they're already trying to 920 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,020 massage the story, although also smartly, all the newspapers, 921 00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:06,870 they had a deadline, I probably 11 You would know better than I 922 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:10,200 would, because I looked at the New York Times, LA, the LA Times 923 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,420 had some snarky stuff in there, because they were in a different 924 00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:16,410 time schedule. But everything on the East Coast had emailed Trump 925 00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:19,230 speaks after assassination attempt, they didn't have any of 926 00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:24,000 the narrative of rambling, hate filled all of that stuff. So it 927 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,840 gives later. So if you really want to change the news cycle, 928 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,040 and boy did it, you pull one of these stones, I completely 929 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:39,240 believe this was sabotage. Completely. And that was also 930 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:43,170 CrowdStrike. I think it was timed, I really did not put that 931 00:52:43,170 --> 00:52:45,150 past this company in particular. 932 00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:50,100 John C Dvorak: They, they're not going to argue with you on this. 933 00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:52,080 Adam Curry: I think they're dirty, I think they're dirty. 934 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,210 And we've always thought 935 00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:55,830 John C Dvorak: that we were always suspicious of this 936 00:52:55,830 --> 00:53:00,270 operation. Guess for a lot of giving this stuff away for free. 937 00:53:00,270 --> 00:53:03,930 And then I asked him, you know, our producer about this, and he 938 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,910 didn't come back with the right answer. And I had to ask him 939 00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:10,020 again, wrong, why another reason why, where's what's the business 940 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:12,750 model for making everybody and you know, say, hey, look what we 941 00:53:12,750 --> 00:53:15,810 got here. You can have it for free. Oh, sweet. I mean, they 942 00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:16,650 okay, we'll take it. 943 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,010 Adam Curry: But they're also in essence, an extension of the 944 00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:23,610 intelligence community. They're in continuous contact about, you 945 00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:27,660 know, fuzzy bear and foggy dude, or whatever, you know, all these 946 00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:30,570 different to Oh, but they got another thing coming out. So 947 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,830 there's an open pipe between intelligence and these guys. So 948 00:53:34,830 --> 00:53:39,390 it just what a great way to just change the news cycle. We need 949 00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:42,570 something listen, here's the meeting. Look, we've got Trump 950 00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:47,640 out there and he's taken a bullet for democracy. The RNC 951 00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:51,690 gentlemen, what are we doing? Well, who's producing the DNC? 952 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,590 Our stuff sucks compared to what Trump did? This is great. He had 953 00:53:55,590 --> 00:53:59,460 Hulk Hogan, Bad Kid Rock. What are we doing? We got to change 954 00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:03,660 this narrative. Quick. We got Joe down President down. I know 955 00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:08,700 what we'll do. Seriously. I mean, I have before you get to 956 00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,310 your clips, I have a couple of clips from the CEO that 957 00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:13,110 John C Dvorak: should mention something according to at least 958 00:54:13,110 --> 00:54:18,090 one of the guys who posted on Twitter, which is that Blackrock 959 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,230 owns a chunk of a huge chunk of CrowdStrike. BlackRock is deep 960 00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:26,340 in the White House. Yeah, well, they're everywhere. So the show 961 00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:29,130 your thesis that, you know, somebody came up with this idea. 962 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,440 You know, just let's do this. Yeah. Is not completely out of 963 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,330 the realm of possibility. That's 964 00:54:36,330 --> 00:54:40,170 Adam Curry: the word because you'll recall, I got the word 965 00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:43,620 Thursday during the show Biden's quitting tonight. And I said 966 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:47,850 that would be great. Because you I mean, Biden would have to quit 967 00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:50,580 eventually. But it'd be great because then you can change the 968 00:54:50,580 --> 00:54:54,540 news narrative. And I guess they went beyond the the negotiating 969 00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:57,660 deadline and by the 100 million dollars, which we discussed that 970 00:54:57,660 --> 00:55:01,080 specific amount is everywhere. Now. 100 million dollars. Yeah 971 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,210 for the foundation 100 million dollars, give them a nice 972 00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:06,480 parachute 100 million dollars. So they had to negotiate that 973 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,440 exit they held out for you know, maybe they wanted a net jets 974 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,180 card or something. I don't know. 975 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,120 John C Dvorak: No, no jet. No god, no. 976 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,830 Adam Curry: No jet out show title. No jet no deal. Exactly. 977 00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:27,780 So they went beyond the beyond the deadline. And they had to 978 00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:33,750 pull something. I do not put it past these goals at all. So I'm 979 00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:37,080 gonna explain two quick clips from the CrowdStrike CEO who 980 00:55:37,110 --> 00:55:40,410 moved and it was hilarious. Australia. This was one of my 981 00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:44,010 dreams. Actually. You had television shows which could 982 00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:47,880 barely stay on the air. Because Chiron is didn't work scripts 983 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,870 didn't work. I mean, more of this, please. But just for the 984 00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:54,810 for the television networks. That's what I've always said, 985 00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:58,260 how can we don't take those guys out. So that was taking place so 986 00:55:58,260 --> 00:56:01,740 that today's show manages to cobbled together everyone to get 987 00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:05,550 on the air and they bring in George Kurtz, the CEO of 988 00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:06,180 CrowdStrike. 989 00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:08,160 Unknown: George, it's good to see a lot of people woke up, 990 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,520 they saw that blue screen of death, we've been hearing all 991 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,460 about the messes at the airports, a lot of broadcast 992 00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:18,390 channels, Australia, even ours. Here. We were, we had those blue 993 00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:22,950 screens everywhere. People are wondering, what happens. So what 994 00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:24,720 did happen? Yeah, 995 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,390 so first, thank you for giving me the opportunity to chat with 996 00:56:27,390 --> 00:56:31,830 you first, on air. And I want to start with saying we're deeply 997 00:56:31,830 --> 00:56:35,550 sorry for the impact that we've caused to customers, to 998 00:56:35,580 --> 00:56:39,390 travelers to anyone affected by this including our company. So 999 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,770 we know what the issue is, we're resolving and have resolved the 1000 00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:46,410 issue. Now it's recovering systems that are out there. And 1001 00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:48,960 essentially, as you've talked about in the statement I put out 1002 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:55,590 is the system was sent an update and that update had a software 1003 00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:59,490 bug in it and caused a an issue with a Microsoft operating 1004 00:56:59,490 --> 00:57:03,900 system. And we identified this very quickly and remediated the 1005 00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:07,200 issue. And our systems come back online. As they're rebooted, 1006 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,190 they're coming up and they're working. And now we are working 1007 00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:13,560 with each and every customer to make sure that we can bring them 1008 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,030 back online. But that was the extent of an issue, the issue in 1009 00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:21,120 terms of a bug that was related to our update. 1010 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,160 Adam Curry: Now listen to this next clip. And 1011 00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:26,640 John C Dvorak: before we continue, what's with this guy's 1012 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:32,700 haircut? He's got to run blue Mohawk. Because that's 1013 00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,490 Adam Curry: what you do, man. When you have a haircut 1014 00:57:35,490 --> 00:57:38,040 John C Dvorak: is this for a CEO of a company like this? You look 1015 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,250 at this guy goes, This guy's a CEO. What is this haircut? 1016 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:46,170 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah. It's douchey. That's what you do when 1017 00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:52,710 you're a mogul? The mogul with the Mohawk? Now tell me if this 1018 00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:55,530 because he says, Great to be with you first. So I don't know 1019 00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:57,930 if he had done a whole bunch of interviews, or this was his 1020 00:57:57,930 --> 00:58:01,200 first interview. It sounded like, Hey, I'm glad I can break 1021 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,640 this with you. They're NBC Today show. So was he tired from 1022 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,610 talking? Was he parched? Or was he emotional 1023 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,340 Unknown: error in the cybersecurity business? And I 1024 00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:14,340 certainly don't even pretend to understand this. But according 1025 00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:18,720 to your statement, it was a single content update that has 1026 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,160 managed to shut down air travel credit card payment systems, 1027 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:29,460 banks, broadcast street lights 911 Emergency around the globe. 1028 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,670 Why is there not some kind of redundancy or some sort of 1029 00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:36,780 backup? How has it been one single software bug can have 1030 00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:39,360 such a profound and immediate impact? 1031 00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:42,540 Adam Curry: It was just a glitch lady. It was just the glitch. 1032 00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:43,890 Unknown: Well, 1033 00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:47,220 when you look at the complexity of cybersecurity are always 1034 00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:51,540 trying to stay what once Excuse me one step ahead of the 1035 00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:53,220 adversary. Now, 1036 00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:57,000 Adam Curry: is she choking? Is the emotional listen again, it 1037 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,590 goes on a little bit longer. He's like, I 1038 00:58:58,590 --> 00:59:00,420 John C Dvorak: think it's a tell he's lying. 1039 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,950 Unknown: Well, when you look at the complexity of cybersecurity 1040 00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:09,630 are always trying to stay once. Excuse me one step ahead of the 1041 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:10,860 adversaries. Yeah. 1042 00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:13,620 Give me just one second. 1043 00:59:14,970 --> 00:59:16,980 Oh, yeah, take take a drink of water. 1044 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,410 Adam Curry: I think it's the gun pointed at his head from behind 1045 00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:20,640 the camera. Yeah, sorry. 1046 00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:24,120 Unknown: It's been a long night, we're always trying to stay one 1047 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:28,320 step ahead of the adversaries. And in this particular case, you 1048 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,230 know, our systems are always looking for the latest attacks 1049 00:59:31,230 --> 00:59:35,250 from these adversaries that are out there. So this content, 1050 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,330 update one out and as as it does, and it's been doing 1051 00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:43,020 before, for many, many years, obviously, we've got a robust 1052 00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:45,390 team that's looking at the safety and security and the 1053 00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:48,720 quality of these updates. And we have to go back and see what 1054 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,500 happened here. But if there's a negative interaction with the 1055 00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,230 way some of these operating systems work, in this particular 1056 00:59:55,230 --> 00:59:57,720 case, it was it was only a Microsoft operating system that 1057 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,010 was impacted. You'll see your reaction like this and this is 1058 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,210 you know what we've seen here. 1059 01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:06,480 Adam Curry: I mean, that was that was who cares? That was 1060 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,100 what I think there was a he's just he's just trying to to 1061 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:16,740 speak you know, like oh yeah, this these things do not happen 1062 01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:20,880 certainly not frequently in these types of companies I mean 1063 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,100 it's just it just doesn't happen it can't happen these things 1064 01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,070 cannot happen and it did happen and it destroyed their 1065 01:00:29,070 --> 01:00:33,120 reputation be interesting to see how the stock does tomorrow 1066 01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:39,630 John C Dvorak: well when you want to get to my clips from PBS 1067 01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:42,000 go ahead let's let's roll well you want to do them now because 1068 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,720 it does this they bring on okay they do it the base I'm gonna 1069 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,030 give you the rundown because there's fighting five or six 1070 01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:53,040 clips. Yeah. They do the basic rundown of the problem. They use 1071 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,710 the word glitch too much they bring in an expert who is a 1072 01:00:55,710 --> 01:01:00,450 cyber security guy who's an old man with a white beard and one 1073 01:01:00,450 --> 01:01:06,210 of those little Scott Scotsman's caps a golf cap thing. 1074 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,270 Unknown: Why? Why? And 1075 01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:11,040 John C Dvorak: so they bring this guy in who's a grump and 1076 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:17,760 he's actually pretty decent. But the it brings up the thing in my 1077 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,330 mind, which is of course the the bad guys couldn't have done a 1078 01:01:21,330 --> 01:01:25,500 better job of shutting down half the world than these guys did 1079 01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:27,690 just by suppose it accident. How 1080 01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:30,180 Adam Curry: about government? I mean, do you have any idea the 1081 01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:33,030 government's basically shut down everywhere? 1082 01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:36,570 John C Dvorak: Everything shut down. That it was involved with 1083 01:01:36,570 --> 01:01:42,750 this not obviously the 25% of the Iowa counties didn't use the 1084 01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:46,230 product error probably hold on, sir, I'm sure. Southwest there's 1085 01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:46,620 this 1086 01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:50,700 Adam Curry: little something I gotta tell you. Headline 1087 01:01:52,350 --> 01:01:56,910 CrowdStrike global tech outed snarls early voting in Arizona. 1088 01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:00,690 I thought these things were supposed to be a networked. 1089 01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:05,280 Unknown: Wow. Yeah. 1090 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,520 Adam Curry: He from their own website cybersecurity and 1091 01:02:08,550 --> 01:02:11,550 election security Resource Center. Cybersecurity is a 1092 01:02:11,550 --> 01:02:13,950 fundamental pillar of election security. The elections 1093 01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:17,130 community and their partners in government NGOs, and the private 1094 01:02:17,130 --> 01:02:20,190 sector must remain vigilant in the face of potential threats, 1095 01:02:20,430 --> 01:02:23,040 elections, infrastructure and systems enterprises that 1096 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,980 administer elections campaigns, and the channels through which 1097 01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:28,980 elections information results are communicated can all be 1098 01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:33,510 targeted by us. Awareness is the first step learn how cried 1099 01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:35,850 CrowdStrike can help. Yeah. 1100 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,290 John C Dvorak: So just what you said, I thought these things 1101 01:02:40,290 --> 01:02:42,750 weren't connected to the internet. They're not supposed 1102 01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:43,980 voting systems. 1103 01:02:44,190 --> 01:02:47,160 Adam Curry: So this could also be a nice dry run for the 1104 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:47,700 election. 1105 01:02:48,990 --> 01:02:50,820 John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, they gotta if they're gonna get 1106 01:02:50,820 --> 01:02:54,240 Camberley and they're gonna have to do it through to choose 1107 01:02:54,510 --> 01:02:55,680 various means Can I 1108 01:02:55,740 --> 01:02:57,720 Adam Curry: Can I just get the glitch thing out of my system 1109 01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,660 and then you won't hear me hear me about it again. Just just 1110 01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:01,410 Sure. 1111 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,350 Ladies and gentlemen of the press of the media. This was not 1112 01:03:25,350 --> 01:03:32,760 a glitch. A glitch is when your television goes first, second, a 1113 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,000 glitches when you're when your lights flash off for a second. 1114 01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:41,100 This is not a glitch. This was for all intents and purposes a 1115 01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:46,650 centralized attack on the entire world from one company whose now 1116 01:03:46,650 --> 01:03:47,520 like owes 1117 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:48,330 Unknown: glitch. 1118 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,260 Adam Curry: It's a very it's very poor reporting. You should 1119 01:03:52,260 --> 01:03:53,430 have to turn in your press 1120 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:55,830 John C Dvorak: Oh gee, poor reporting in today's day and 1121 01:03:55,830 --> 01:04:00,030 age. I just me write this down and get the date. Again, 1122 01:04:00,810 --> 01:04:02,040 reporting go don't 1123 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,040 Adam Curry: like the glitch term. It is. How can you call 1124 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,640 this a glitch people died. You got guaranteed people died. 1125 01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:12,570 Weddings weren't attended. Birthdays weren't celebrated. 1126 01:04:12,690 --> 01:04:16,260 Medications were not given. Not a glitch. 1127 01:04:17,580 --> 01:04:20,820 John C Dvorak: All right. Like the mere fact that they have 1128 01:04:20,820 --> 01:04:24,750 this thing hooked to a medical Cabinet will become believable. 1129 01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:25,200 Have you not 1130 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,750 Adam Curry: seen Soprano's? I mean, the nurse was hooked on 1131 01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:28,440 this stuff. 1132 01:04:29,070 --> 01:04:30,960 John C Dvorak: Oh, no, I know. No, I'm not talking about that. 1133 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,830 I'm talking about the fact that this system, this overriding 1134 01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:41,130 International System of interconnections would be hooked 1135 01:04:41,130 --> 01:04:44,430 to one of these cabinets, you'd think it would just be a million 1136 01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:47,490 ways secure things you want to go through this these guys. 1137 01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:53,700 Okay, let's start. This is the PBS news hours presentation. I 1138 01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:57,120 believe they use glitch and they do all the other mistakes and I 1139 01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,070 have thoughts on every one of these clips. 1140 01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:01,440 Unknown: All right, we started With numero uno, we start 1141 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,620 tonight with a tech outage around the world that halted 1142 01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:08,220 flights disrupted emergency services and created headaches 1143 01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:09,210 for businesses. 1144 01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:12,300 The underlying problems behind the glitch were fixed by the 1145 01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:15,120 afternoon. But the ripple effects have lasted throughout 1146 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,610 the day and may continue well into tomorrow. 1147 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,300 And as William Brangham reports, 1000s of passengers are still 1148 01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:23,670 trying to get to their destinations tonight. 1149 01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:28,680 It was the glitch filth around the world. Today's software 1150 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,980 failure triggered far reaching and frustrating outages 1151 01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:35,640 globally, air travelers were among the most directly affected 1152 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,960 with 10s of 1000s of flights delayed and 1000s more canceled. 1153 01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:42,690 I've never seen it like this before. Especially in this 1154 01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:45,300 airport. This airport is my favorite because it's usually 1155 01:05:45,330 --> 01:05:46,770 getting it out. The 1156 01:05:46,770 --> 01:05:49,890 outage was caused by a faulty software update within 1157 01:05:49,890 --> 01:05:54,120 Microsoft's Windows operating system. Many users first notice 1158 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:58,050 the problem when they saw the notorious so called Blue Screen 1159 01:05:58,050 --> 01:06:01,770 of Death. The faulty update was issued by the cybersecurity firm 1160 01:06:01,770 --> 01:06:05,970 CrowdStrike CEO George Kurtz offered a mia culpa this morning 1161 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,530 on the Today Show, we're 1162 01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:11,670 deeply sorry for the impact that we've caused to customers, to 1163 01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:15,510 travelers to anyone affected by this including our company. So 1164 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,890 we know what the issue is. We're resolving and have resolved the 1165 01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:20,490 issue now. 1166 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,740 Adam Curry: I just want to make a correction. It was not the 1167 01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:26,850 sopranos it was Jackie Edie Falco, who was on The Sopranos 1168 01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:27,720 played the nurse 1169 01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:31,560 John C Dvorak: carry on this that we didn't know what you 1170 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,490 said. No, I said you said have you seen The Sopranos? Yeah, but 1171 01:06:35,790 --> 01:06:39,870 she played Jack. She had a spin off. So Jackie, the other thing 1172 01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:43,920 Oh, yeah, she was she was the neuro ICU. You associated okay. 1173 01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:44,220 Yeah. 1174 01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:44,970 Adam Curry: Yeah. 1175 01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:46,470 John C Dvorak: Thanks for the correction. Yeah. Well, 1176 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:49,470 Adam Curry: I Hey, we don't want to be fact checked on the show. 1177 01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:52,680 John C Dvorak: Ever. That'll be the day. 1178 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,510 Adam Curry: All right. So that was the end of that commentary 1179 01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:58,920 and every clip. Yeah, 1180 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,040 John C Dvorak: I do. Okay, let's start off with the Oh, we're so 1181 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:08,220 sorry. Where is the liability of aspect of this? Where are the 1182 01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:10,650 Legal Eagles? I 1183 01:07:10,650 --> 01:07:13,680 Adam Curry: asked Dave Jones about this. I said they're gonna 1184 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:14,310 get sued. He said 1185 01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:18,060 John C Dvorak: he laughed. I mean, I would laugh too, because 1186 01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:18,690 I he 1187 01:07:18,690 --> 01:07:22,500 Adam Curry: said there every single EULA contains so many 1188 01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:25,830 outs for the US companies. There's no way you can you guess 1189 01:07:25,830 --> 01:07:30,180 John C Dvorak: is because the EULA has been in the EULA has 1190 01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:34,260 been turned into a protective mechanism illegally I might add 1191 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,410 by the court system because they don't want to deal with what the 1192 01:07:37,410 --> 01:07:41,280 possibilities are. I mean, if you remember what the Supreme 1193 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,520 Court oh my god because we're going to drop the Chevron 1194 01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,010 deference is going to be resulted in a bunch of actual 1195 01:07:47,010 --> 01:07:52,170 work we're going to have to do Oh no. So the EULA which has 1196 01:07:52,170 --> 01:07:53,880 been enshrined just 1197 01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:57,150 Adam Curry: give everybody for those who don't know EULA e u l, 1198 01:07:57,150 --> 01:08:01,560 a end user license agreement. That is when you install it when 1199 01:08:01,770 --> 01:08:04,860 when your iPhone says want to update you say yeah, it gives 1200 01:08:04,860 --> 01:08:06,780 you that big screen you go Yeah, I agree. 1201 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,500 John C Dvorak: Because you have to or it won't work it won't 1202 01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:14,910 work you get a EULA when you buy a Tesla yeah so when the cart 1203 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:18,750 when you put it on autopilot and slams you into a brick wall in 1204 01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:23,160 your dad your family really can't sue tough which was you 1205 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,760 know if you have the opportunity as a business guy to install a 1206 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:32,520 EULA on everything giving you free at you know you're in other 1207 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,680 words your your judgment proof basically yeah, you're gonna do 1208 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,890 that. But let's continue I make this is gonna be my main 1209 01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:42,360 complaint but can DFA 1210 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,480 Unknown: temporarily grounded major US airlines including 1211 01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:53,790 United American and delta with flight stalled check ins were 1212 01:08:53,790 --> 01:08:57,330 brought to a standstill. You're his passenger in Minneapolis was 1213 01:08:57,330 --> 01:08:59,400 disappointed with his airlines response. 1214 01:08:59,609 --> 01:09:03,299 What's interesting to watch is the airline have no idea what's 1215 01:09:03,299 --> 01:09:07,079 happening. Because it is such a such an issue that they don't 1216 01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:10,169 have a grasp on yet, at least here at the Minneapolis Airport 1217 01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:10,769 across the 1218 01:09:10,770 --> 01:09:14,220 world in Australia, travelers had to fend for themselves. 1219 01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:14,940 flights 1220 01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:17,580 have been canceled. So they're we're trying to find a 1221 01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:21,840 combination in Sydney, which is not easy towards the trying to 1222 01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,950 do that online. And then we'll have to try and get a flying 1223 01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:29,610 home somewhere else somewhere. sometime. I don't know. It 1224 01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:32,820 wasn't just air travel that was affected. hospitals and 1225 01:09:32,820 --> 01:09:36,510 healthcare systems overseas were also locked up forcing the 1226 01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:39,720 cancellation of appointments and the closing of clinics. 1227 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,110 Massachusetts General Hospital had to limit operations 1228 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,680 announcing quote, due to the severity of this issue, all 1229 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,550 previously scheduled non urgent surgeries, procedures and 1230 01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:54,090 medical visits are canceled today. The outage also impacted 1231 01:09:54,090 --> 01:09:58,590 911 Call systems in many places and emergency services in 1232 01:09:58,590 --> 01:10:03,750 Oregon, Alaska. Arizona global news outlets like Sky News were 1233 01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:06,570 unable to broadcast their regular programs. A 1234 01:10:06,570 --> 01:10:11,340 major global IT outage is impacting many of the world's 1235 01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:14,910 largest companies, including us here at Sky News. 1236 01:10:19,260 --> 01:10:22,800 John C Dvorak: Okay, yeah, I don't have any comments on that 1237 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,980 client made a mistake kind of bogus. I mean, besides the fact 1238 01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:29,700 that Dallas is just more than three states that were 911 1239 01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,730 services were affected. It was everywhere. It was every because 1240 01:10:32,730 --> 01:10:36,630 everybody and I back it to the guy in Iowa says this was a free 1241 01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:37,350 product 1242 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,080 Adam Curry: until it's free. That's got to make you 1243 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:40,980 suspicious. 1244 01:10:41,730 --> 01:10:44,490 John C Dvorak: It makes me to this minute it makes me very 1245 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:47,070 suspicious. Why was it free, for example, for 1246 01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:51,660 Adam Curry: exactly this moment? When I need to pull the ripcord 1247 01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:58,680 CrowdStrike is your uncle. This Dr. Pepper is flat in the can. 1248 01:10:59,850 --> 01:11:02,640 John C Dvorak: That's weird. You have a flat Dr. Pepper. 1249 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:04,950 Adam Curry: It didn't even go up. 1250 01:11:06,510 --> 01:11:08,610 John C Dvorak: Maybe Oh, it's probably had a pinhole 1251 01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:12,720 somewhere. I used to be a cannon Specter. I know this sounds 1252 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:13,200 weird. Well, 1253 01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,360 Adam Curry: this was not inspected by John C. Dvorak. 1254 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,220 That's for sure. So we used 1255 01:11:17,220 --> 01:11:20,040 John C Dvorak: to have I used to work at Kaiser Aluminum, this is 1256 01:11:20,250 --> 01:11:24,480 going to be an aside, I do actually go to hear the story 1257 01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:25,410 when people come for 1258 01:11:25,410 --> 01:11:26,160 Adam Curry: their stories. 1259 01:11:26,190 --> 01:11:28,950 John C Dvorak: So I so I'm working the can I mean, I'm in a 1260 01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:32,640 Spectre two, which is the only if anyone kids out there become 1261 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,670 an inspector, that's your best bet. So I'm an inspector on the 1262 01:11:35,670 --> 01:11:41,220 candy factory. And they the CANS go flying by this giant in 1263 01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:44,730 accumulate and you can look down and you can see the CANS that 1264 01:11:44,730 --> 01:11:47,790 don't have the coating inside there's they spray a coating 1265 01:11:47,790 --> 01:11:50,670 inside all the cans. And it's a different coating for a 1266 01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:54,720 different taste flavor. Decoding, there's two there were 1267 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,190 two coatings at this factory. And they one of them was the was 1268 01:11:59,190 --> 01:12:02,190 a special epoxy coating that I think they had to use on Coca 1269 01:12:02,190 --> 01:12:06,870 Cola or any drinks that had a phosphate, phosphoric acid in 1270 01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:10,470 the in the in the mix, and the data was a different color. But 1271 01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:12,660 there you could tell the ones that weren't coded and there'd 1272 01:12:12,660 --> 01:12:15,600 be a candidate would come to every so often it was encoded. 1273 01:12:15,810 --> 01:12:18,630 And it would be like silvery, because it was just the color of 1274 01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:22,860 the aluminum and never had the coating on it. And so I wasn't 1275 01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:26,760 the only guy who did this. But once in a while, you'd look over 1276 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,100 at final inspection because there's another guy down way 1277 01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:35,100 down the line. And if he was away from his is his station 1278 01:12:35,130 --> 01:12:38,430 could end they had to go do something and you saw one of 1279 01:12:38,430 --> 01:12:43,470 these cans with this pure silver which you'd normally pull out. I 1280 01:12:43,470 --> 01:12:46,530 know I just I'm a terrible employee for doing this but 1281 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,640 everybody did this. You'd let the can go through and see it 1282 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,570 get palletized and go over to Coca Cola, or whoever it was 1283 01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:00,270 where they were they they would fill it with some caustic soda 1284 01:13:00,270 --> 01:13:04,620 and then soda pop is caustic and then you just know that it would 1285 01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:10,170 very slowly dissolve the aluminum and become a submitter 1286 01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:13,500 just just the ink on the outside. You've already blow up 1287 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:18,180 on the line. But there was there were opportunities for the 1288 01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:22,020 coating not to be completely then you which we couldn't catch 1289 01:13:22,110 --> 01:13:26,070 and it would create this just a pinhole area that pinhole would 1290 01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:30,300 get it it could be microscopic could get eaten away by the soda 1291 01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:35,490 Dr peppers of phosphoric acid base soda and he would have a 1292 01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:40,890 pinhole and it would just slowly leash the co2 over a period of 1293 01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:43,410 about a month as that's what you get one of those cans. 1294 01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:47,220 Adam Curry: Well first of all, a story I have not heard first 1295 01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:51,240 time in 17 years appreciate it. I love the term working the 1296 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:56,340 cans. Because from now on that's all I can ever associate with 1297 01:13:56,340 --> 01:14:01,350 you sir. Work in the can inspector he's had so many jobs. 1298 01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:02,790 You are a versatile man. 1299 01:14:03,810 --> 01:14:05,640 John C Dvorak: Like an inspector. 1300 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,480 Adam Curry: He see my stepdaughter she's beautiful. 1301 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,260 She I'm sure here we go neatly brought me to fresh cans. Thank 1302 01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:13,980 you so much. 1303 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:18,210 Unknown: All right here we go. In Paris. Olympic officials say 1304 01:14:18,210 --> 01:14:22,440 some of their systems were also down. In many places, courts 1305 01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:29,280 were also closed or delayed. While the underlying software 1306 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,840 problem has been fixed, security experts say residual problems 1307 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,590 could continue for several days. So to help us understand more 1308 01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:41,280 about what went wrong and the broader risks to our system. We 1309 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,950 turn again to Bruce Schneier. He's an expert in computer 1310 01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:47,430 security and technology, a lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy 1311 01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:51,090 School and writes the wonderful blog Schneier on security 1312 01:14:51,090 --> 01:14:54,030 wonderful Schneier. Thanks so much for being here again. How's 1313 01:14:54,330 --> 01:14:56,970 your stand the basics here, what is it that went wrong? 1314 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,300 Adam Curry: Every every solution from Bruce is Spinrite Eight 1315 01:15:00,330 --> 01:15:02,640 spin, right? Just you spin right? It'll bring it right 1316 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:03,150 back. 1317 01:15:03,210 --> 01:15:06,600 Unknown: You know, basically there are hundreds of companies 1318 01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:10,050 that do small things that are critical to the internet 1319 01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:13,170 functioning. And today, one of them failed. 1320 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,570 Adam Curry: So you knew it was Bruce, you just said the guy 1321 01:15:15,570 --> 01:15:17,820 with the hat. You didn't want to give it away that was shine 1322 01:15:17,820 --> 01:15:20,310 Schneier shine or shine or what's his name? Bruce? 1323 01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:21,810 Unknown: Yeah, Bruce. 1324 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,980 Adam Curry: Yeah. Oh, I'm 1325 01:15:22,980 --> 01:15:24,150 John C Dvorak: sorry, the Spinrite. Guy you're 1326 01:15:24,150 --> 01:15:26,340 Adam Curry: thinking of Jimson? Yeah, I'm thinking of Gibson. 1327 01:15:26,370 --> 01:15:28,620 Anyway, it's still the solution to everything. 1328 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,880 John C Dvorak: But the point is, is this guy brings out this 1329 01:15:33,570 --> 01:15:36,930 micro East he's discussing microservices architecture never 1330 01:15:36,930 --> 01:15:40,710 says it. But he claims and microservices architecture holds 1331 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:43,860 up to the internet, which isn't true. So we're right away at the 1332 01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:48,480 right at the beginning here is assertions are wrong? Boy, 1333 01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:50,310 Unknown: it's company you've probably never heard of and 1334 01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:54,060 wouldn't hear of if it didn't fail. It's one of many. The 1335 01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,870 details are geeky. But basically one of the critical things that 1336 01:15:57,870 --> 01:16:00,240 holds the internet up fell down. Okay, 1337 01:16:00,270 --> 01:16:06,240 but no simple little is not true glitch today. Stopped surgeries 1338 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:11,160 from happening had 911 systems go down? I mean, if that can be 1339 01:16:11,370 --> 01:16:14,490 happening because of an accident. I mean, what would 1340 01:16:14,490 --> 01:16:17,460 happen if there was a motivated bad actor getting into these 1341 01:16:17,460 --> 01:16:18,270 systems, 1342 01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:22,020 we see that remember, change healthcare, we don't get 1343 01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:24,690 prescriptions because a ransomware. Remember, Colonial 1344 01:16:24,690 --> 01:16:27,450 Pipeline where oil stopped flowing in the East Coast, 1345 01:16:27,450 --> 01:16:31,140 because the ransomware we see this again, and again, sometimes 1346 01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:35,190 it's malice, sometimes it's accident. But there are so many 1347 01:16:35,190 --> 01:16:40,680 critical things that make this network function. And if any one 1348 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,680 of them fails, the network fails. So 1349 01:16:43,710 --> 01:16:47,850 or is it just that we are too over reliant on a concentrated 1350 01:16:47,850 --> 01:16:50,220 number of companies? It's 1351 01:16:50,220 --> 01:16:55,830 concentrated and the fact that there's no, no resilience, that 1352 01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:59,070 it's a very fragile system? And a lot of that is the way is the 1353 01:16:59,070 --> 01:17:02,490 economics? Right, it redundancies are viewed as 1354 01:17:02,490 --> 01:17:05,850 inefficient. So they're pulled out of the system because of 1355 01:17:05,850 --> 01:17:09,480 profits. But that ends up with a very fragile system. It all 1356 01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,910 works great when it works. When it fails. It fails 1357 01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:13,800 catastrophically, which is what we saw today. 1358 01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:17,760 So is that the incentive here? Is that to change to make a 1359 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,030 meaningful incentive to sort of build in that redundancy? Is it 1360 01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:22,500 economics? Principally, 1361 01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:26,430 it's economics, we have the technology here, you know, I can 1362 01:17:26,430 --> 01:17:30,120 describe ways that CrowdStrike could have rolled out this 1363 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,060 change incrementally and caught this before it was a disaster. 1364 01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:35,640 We could talk about maybe there being a dozen companies do the 1365 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,990 same thing so that the disaster is contained. But really it is 1366 01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:44,070 funnily economics, the business incentive is to grow and become 1367 01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:46,860 critical, and then run as lean as absolutely possible. 1368 01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:49,290 Adam Curry: So I have a question for you. I think everyone 1369 01:17:49,290 --> 01:17:54,330 deserves to hear your definition of microservices. Because first 1370 01:17:54,330 --> 01:17:58,530 of all, I believe that 95% of all problems on the actual 1371 01:17:58,530 --> 01:18:01,440 network when this was not a network problem, this was a this 1372 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:06,180 was a a specific problem related to one company that delivers a 1373 01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:11,730 service to Windows network computers. 95% of the problems 1374 01:18:11,730 --> 01:18:15,540 is DNS, which do you consider DNS to be a micro service? 1375 01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,110 John C Dvorak: No, DNS is a basic service. Okay, what is 1376 01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:22,020 micro, you can't do anything without DNS. You can do plenty 1377 01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:25,650 without micro services. So explain micro services. micro 1378 01:18:25,650 --> 01:18:31,470 services are subsystems that a lot of bigger systems rely on. 1379 01:18:31,470 --> 01:18:34,680 So exam, for example, that does CrowdStrike thing or anything, 1380 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:35,490 give me another exam 1381 01:18:35,490 --> 01:18:36,390 Adam Curry: that give me another exam. 1382 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,120 John C Dvorak: I'll give you some examples. You have, you 1383 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:43,680 have databases of birth dates. And so somebody like Amazon, 1384 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,010 Amazon doesn't keep any of this information. They go to a micro 1385 01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:49,170 service, look up your birthday and send you Hey, happy 1386 01:18:49,170 --> 01:18:51,480 birthday. It's your birthday today. Okay, that'd be wrong. 1387 01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:54,510 Could be right. Okay. So micro services are telling you what 1388 01:18:54,510 --> 01:18:57,630 your location is in Miami. 1389 01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:03,420 Adam Curry: Hold on to like Ticketmaster. They, I think was 1390 01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:06,840 Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster, it wasn't just recently you said, 1391 01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:10,800 Oh, well, you know, a third party was hosting our database 1392 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,410 with information or something like that. And that one got 1393 01:19:13,410 --> 01:19:13,890 hacked. That's 1394 01:19:14,460 --> 01:19:16,260 John C Dvorak: those, those third parties are all micro 1395 01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:20,370 services. micro service will will say, Well, we're this. 1396 01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:25,350 It'll say, well, you're like I'm using, I use VPNs. And now all 1397 01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:28,230 of a sudden, I go to some system, and it says, Oh, I see 1398 01:19:28,230 --> 01:19:31,740 that you're in New Mexico. I see you're here. You're there. 1399 01:19:31,950 --> 01:19:36,210 That's not where I am. I'm in. I'm in Berkeley. But no, no, no. 1400 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,290 Because a microservice tells them that I'm in New Mexico. We 1401 01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:41,940 Adam Curry: used to call web services. 1402 01:19:43,740 --> 01:19:45,990 John C Dvorak: Yeah, web services. Yeah. Okay. And 1403 01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:48,750 they're always and they're part of the overall system and 1404 01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:53,280 they're being pinged for information constantly and a lot 1405 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,200 of them are, are, are in such a way they're done. They're 1406 01:19:58,710 --> 01:20:02,370 architected in such a way way into the main software that if 1407 01:20:02,370 --> 01:20:06,150 they fail, the whole system fails. Now a lot of them don't 1408 01:20:06,210 --> 01:20:09,780 aren't designed that way. But a lot of them are designed to be, 1409 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,650 you know, if if this fails, and this isn't gonna work at all 1410 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,380 Adam Curry: right? So snowflake, who actually was hosting all 1411 01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:19,500 that data for Ticketmaster and for many other companies 1412 01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:24,960 microservice. And actually, for 25 apps and services out there 1413 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,980 podcast index.org, is by that definition of micro service. And 1414 01:20:28,980 --> 01:20:32,280 if we go down, then all those apps have problems. 1415 01:20:33,630 --> 01:20:35,700 John C Dvorak: I would say that's true. And it's also micro 1416 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:38,670 services, it can get to the point where the minutia, where 1417 01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:44,640 microservice is actually telling you what time it is. Yeah, and 1418 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,250 that conscript. So I mean that these little things, but they 1419 01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,610 some of them are crucial, and there's no redundancy and the 1420 01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:53,880 code isn't written properly. So if the micro service fails, it 1421 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,440 just ignores the lack of data and keeps on his merry way. 1422 01:20:58,470 --> 01:21:01,440 Obviously, that didn't happen with this. Now this guy may 1423 01:21:01,470 --> 01:21:04,110 makes the point that redundancies couldn't be made 1424 01:21:04,140 --> 01:21:07,020 built anywhere, you have two microservices, one covering for 1425 01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:10,590 the other, doing the exact same thing. But oh, that would cost 1426 01:21:10,590 --> 01:21:13,320 an extra nickel even though the service they're giving it away 1427 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,200 for free. But it will cost somebody and Nagel in 1428 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,850 Adam Curry: this case, I think the level of access that the 1429 01:21:21,420 --> 01:21:25,620 this crowdsite microservice has is right into the the core of 1430 01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:29,490 the of the boot up process and the networking, so probably 1431 01:21:29,490 --> 01:21:33,300 wouldn't be able to failover to something else. But that's a 1432 01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:33,960 separate issue. 1433 01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:37,560 John C Dvorak: Well, I think it could, if it would, what this 1434 01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,360 guy's point was, is that it's it's cheaper to do it the way 1435 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,970 they're doing it and you make more money, and you can have big 1436 01:21:44,970 --> 01:21:49,650 bonuses and get million dollar payouts for the CEO, and on and 1437 01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:54,120 on. Which none of this would be the case this none of this would 1438 01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,130 have happened. None of this would have been the case. If 1439 01:21:56,130 --> 01:22:00,510 these guys were liable. If they were liable for screwing over 1440 01:22:00,510 --> 01:22:04,830 the airline customers and they could be sued for not you missed 1441 01:22:04,830 --> 01:22:06,720 your flight. You missed this, you missed that you missed a 1442 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,920 business meeting. I am suing you. If you could sue over this 1443 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,150 stuff not and you can't because of EULAs, which are made as some 1444 01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:20,610 government protection for the software industry. It's bullcrap 1445 01:22:20,670 --> 01:22:23,460 it these things should be banned immediately. And we should have 1446 01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:27,450 a normal system. Like if you make a piece of a product A made 1447 01:22:27,450 --> 01:22:32,040 out of, you know, like a car and the car fails and you there's no 1448 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,800 EULA involved, you can sue them. And it's what happened with the 1449 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:39,120 Pinto and the exploding gas tanks. You can sue you can't sue 1450 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,780 over this because of these, the government protection based on 1451 01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:46,170 the courts allowing these Ulus to exist in the US are bogus 1452 01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:49,380 because it's you can't you either can't use the product. If 1453 01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:53,310 you don't sign off, or you just can't use it you're not you 1454 01:22:53,310 --> 01:22:57,540 know, you can get it as a kid to sign it and the kids are liable 1455 01:22:57,540 --> 01:23:02,430 for they can't legally signed contracts. So there's some angle 1456 01:23:02,430 --> 01:23:07,320 there. But this is government. This is protectionism, John C de 1457 01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:09,480 Bourgh. Acts as Eva de 1458 01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:15,870 Adam Curry: Yeah, feel the Feels good, doesn't it? Onward. 1459 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,480 Unknown: So what do you think the downstream consequences for 1460 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:21,870 CrowdStrike? And or Microsoft will be? Or will there be none? 1461 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:22,110 There 1462 01:23:22,110 --> 01:23:24,690 will be none? What were the downstream consequences for 1463 01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:27,600 Colonial Pipeline or change healthcare, or the dozens of 1464 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,010 other incidents like this in the past few years? We move on, 1465 01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:35,340 right? Politics is all consuming. This is a blip 1466 01:23:35,460 --> 01:23:37,500 tomorrow, I don't even think it's gonna be news 1467 01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:42,300 on a practical basis for an individual who late last night 1468 01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:46,560 or today might have done some online transaction paid a bill 1469 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,470 transferred money, do they need to worry it? Could this have 1470 01:23:49,470 --> 01:23:51,840 impacted them in some way, make 1471 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,690 it good. If they were flying today, if they wanted to, you 1472 01:23:54,690 --> 01:23:57,630 know, needed nine on one services, hospitals, a lot of 1473 01:23:57,630 --> 01:24:00,870 things collapsed, but really is individual, there's nothing you 1474 01:24:00,870 --> 01:24:04,260 can do. You're not in charge of these networks. You don't get to 1475 01:24:04,260 --> 01:24:08,340 say what products and services are used or not. We are all at 1476 01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:12,960 the mercy of mercenary, large consolidated systems. And when 1477 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:17,370 they fail, you know, our life is impacted. The only way to make 1478 01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:20,970 this change at the political level, right agitate for some 1479 01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:26,130 meaningful rules here that will keep companies from being this 1480 01:24:26,130 --> 01:24:27,570 lean while you're kind of 1481 01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:29,490 Adam Curry: on board with what he's saying. 1482 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,000 John C Dvorak: No I'm not he wants to regulate do regulation. 1483 01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:34,890 Adam Curry: Oh, no. I mean, he's saying we need something at the 1484 01:24:34,890 --> 01:24:38,370 government level which would be changing the the EU law nonsense 1485 01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:40,170 you said it's protectionism protectionism from the 1486 01:24:40,170 --> 01:24:42,390 government that's kind of what you said Miss unless Yes, 1487 01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:44,910 John C Dvorak: that's what it is is protectionism but but going 1488 01:24:44,910 --> 01:24:48,900 toward the focus on regulation? Oh, we should regulate when you 1489 01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:52,530 all you have to do is pull the plug on EULAs and say hey, no, 1490 01:24:52,530 --> 01:24:56,730 no, this is a product. You bought the product a product has 1491 01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,430 made guarantees to you about certain things if you bought a 1492 01:24:59,430 --> 01:25:01,980 product from should do this, that and the other and it 1493 01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:05,280 doesn't, it fails. It doesn't do this, that and the other doesn't 1494 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,450 do anything. You can sue over that. I can't do that today. I 1495 01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:09,630 would 1496 01:25:09,630 --> 01:25:13,410 Adam Curry: like all of our producers who also work at CNBC 1497 01:25:13,410 --> 01:25:17,970 or other television news stations, you should get Jhansi 1498 01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:22,920 Dvorak on the air. This is this. You got one of those hats one of 1499 01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,150 those little like, if like 1500 01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:26,490 John C Dvorak: a guy with a little French hat, Scottish 1501 01:25:26,730 --> 01:25:27,630 Scottish cap, 1502 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,410 Adam Curry: you got to have a look. If you have a look, then 1503 01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,380 they'll keep calling you. Oh, yeah, we go to Jhansi Dvorak. So 1504 01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:37,470 John C Dvorak: the point is, is that this guy's again, the old 1505 01:25:37,470 --> 01:25:39,750 you know, this is a liberal attitude. Oh, let's just do 1506 01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:43,290 regulations, regulations. This is an example you should 1507 01:25:43,290 --> 01:25:47,730 deregulate, you should get rid of EULAs deregulate let the 1508 01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:51,990 legal system takes due course I don't understand and this idea 1509 01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:54,000 of regulating what are you going to regulate? 1510 01:25:54,030 --> 01:25:56,250 Adam Curry: You think you've made your point? Yeah, I 1511 01:25:56,250 --> 01:25:58,590 John C Dvorak: know. I just, I'm just pounding at home. I'm doing 1512 01:25:58,590 --> 01:26:02,370 what I've taken. Finally. I do Nick curry. Yeah. 1513 01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:04,860 Adam Curry: You know, what happens? You're gonna get a lot 1514 01:26:04,860 --> 01:26:07,470 of email, you get annoyed at people who said, 1515 01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:11,220 John C Dvorak: because that's what I already get that I know, 1516 01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:13,530 I know, everything from the tip of the day, I will tell you 1517 01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:15,630 about that. Okay, I'll leave 1518 01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:17,880 Adam Curry: that for later. Okay, last clip here who were 1519 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:18,510 getting through it. 1520 01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:20,700 Unknown: But you know, the difficulties of that kind of a 1521 01:26:20,700 --> 01:26:23,370 thing. One, that's not a constituency that's naturally 1522 01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:25,800 out there that's organically fighting for this kind of a 1523 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,820 thing. Absent that, are there? Are there political leaders that 1524 01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:32,100 could be doing this that can be pressing this in a regulatory 1525 01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:32,490 way? 1526 01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:36,330 I mean, there can I don't think there will be. It's we have a 1527 01:26:36,330 --> 01:26:38,190 lot of trouble because the United States regulating 1528 01:26:38,190 --> 01:26:41,760 anything. And this is certainly not the worst disaster. This is 1529 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:46,020 just one of many this is today's disaster. So yes, there could be 1530 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:50,220 change, I wouldn't expect it. EU is doing better. You see more 1531 01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:53,460 meaningful regulation there. But even there, they're not doing 1532 01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:57,810 the kinds of things that will make our critical infrastructure 1533 01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:59,820 more redundant, more resilient. 1534 01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:02,850 All right, Bruce Schneier of Schneier on security. Thanks so 1535 01:27:02,850 --> 01:27:04,740 much for being here. Wow. 1536 01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:11,040 Adam Curry: All right. Thanks so much again. Geez. So the fallout 1537 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,070 from this will be I don't know if we're gonna get much 1538 01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:17,280 reporting on it from here on out because it was just a glitch. 1539 01:27:17,310 --> 01:27:21,330 Yeah, big deal. But I think a 1540 01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:24,090 John C Dvorak: billions of dollars to the economies of the 1541 01:27:24,180 --> 01:27:25,020 of the world 1542 01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:30,120 Adam Curry: a nice or at least everyone got hit a nice October 1543 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:35,700 surprise, oh, voting machines glitch glitch, which, I mean, if 1544 01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:38,370 a voting machines are connected to this, they can put all kinds 1545 01:27:38,370 --> 01:27:40,800 of stuff in there. They're at the low one of the lowest levels 1546 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,010 of the operating good. They don't think they've been doing 1547 01:27:44,010 --> 01:27:48,330 it. I'm sorry, what am I even saying? Yes. So this should be 1548 01:27:48,330 --> 01:27:52,740 very telling. I've always been led to believe voting machines 1549 01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:56,520 are not connected to the network. They keep saying it, 1550 01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,090 don't they, by definition, if CrowdStrike is in there, and 1551 01:28:00,090 --> 01:28:06,390 it's working as advertised, it's connected to something. So that 1552 01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:11,610 should be a Gillespie County. Pen and paper. No voting 1553 01:28:11,610 --> 01:28:16,980 machines here. All right, let me let me put up the sign here. The 1554 01:28:16,980 --> 01:28:26,340 conspiracy therapist is an All right. Couple of things. Related 1555 01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:29,880 to the shooting, first of all, thank you. We have the best 1556 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:35,730 podcast producers in the universe. Douchebag. Pat came in 1557 01:28:36,090 --> 01:28:40,590 regarding the shorting of the D J. T stock prior to the 1558 01:28:40,590 --> 01:28:46,140 shooting. Well, well, well. I mean, how many emails did we not 1559 01:28:46,140 --> 01:28:49,680 receive about? Oh, yeah, BlackRock and Clinton. They're 1560 01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:54,030 shorting and made money just like 911 Airlines. And 1561 01:28:54,090 --> 01:28:57,420 douchebag. Pat says, Well, I looked at the volume price 1562 01:28:57,420 --> 01:29:00,120 action since July, when the stock button was very subdued 1563 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,180 average trading range less than normal. The stock price was flat 1564 01:29:03,180 --> 01:29:05,850 during the entire time, the average daily volume was about 1565 01:29:05,850 --> 01:29:09,270 11 million shares. So it's almost impossible that 12 1566 01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:12,870 million got shorted without any ramifications. He says I checked 1567 01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:16,260 the put value volume. This would be the snapshot of how many 1568 01:29:16,260 --> 01:29:19,410 contracts existed at the end of the day on July 12. Before the 1569 01:29:19,410 --> 01:29:22,320 shooting, I put up a chart of every single option contract 1570 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,770 that had over 1000 contracts. Most of the put buying occurred 1571 01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,410 after the run ups that can be attributed to things like the 1572 01:29:28,410 --> 01:29:33,480 debate in June, as far as reports of 120,000 put contracts 1573 01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:37,380 being bought. There were not even 120,000 Put contracts in 1574 01:29:37,380 --> 01:29:41,940 existence. Yep, I saw zero evidence of any ramped up put 1575 01:29:41,940 --> 01:29:47,520 buying during July through the 12th before the shooting. And so 1576 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,660 he says this is bogus. That is absolutely absolutely bogus. 1577 01:29:52,230 --> 01:29:54,000 John C Dvorak: Probably true that was unclear should be 1578 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:55,800 ashamed of themselves for sending us this. 1579 01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,320 Adam Curry: They don't know I mean that no, they should know 1580 01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:59,970 they should be Dogen 1581 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,190 John C Dvorak: The listener should get included some 1582 01:30:02,190 --> 01:30:05,190 Adam Curry: police should not be ashamed. It's just what it is. 1583 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,310 Okay, they shouldn't be ashamed. Now a couple a couple of other 1584 01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:11,580 things. Now I just want you to read it reiterate. I believe 1585 01:30:11,580 --> 01:30:15,870 you're on board with this general thesis that from the no 1586 01:30:15,870 --> 01:30:19,290 agenda perspective, we seen this many times. This looks like the 1587 01:30:19,290 --> 01:30:22,500 FBI specifically, by the way, FBI with the guys on the roof 1588 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:28,290 hosing it down. Closing down the evidence. Hello, FBI. The minute 1589 01:30:28,290 --> 01:30:33,420 we heard that this kid had some bombs with a remote control up 1590 01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:38,880 on the roof. Immediately this this is a very stereotypical FBI 1591 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,600 six week cycle operation, you find some weak brother online, 1592 01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:46,410 who's talking terrorism is yelling about Allahu Akbar. 1593 01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:52,020 Don't get mad at me. I'm just saying. You know, and then they 1594 01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:55,200 jack him up like, yeah, it was all Yeah. Do you want to cause 1595 01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,680 some mayhem? Yeah, we should do this. And they jack them around 1596 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,200 for two months. And then they give him a phony baloney 1597 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,870 detonator. And then the minute he goes to press the button, 1598 01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:06,810 which doesn't work, they swoop in save the day, we almost 1599 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,230 almost blew everybody up. And the funny 1600 01:31:10,230 --> 01:31:12,960 John C Dvorak: thing is, we keep overlooking the Whitmer 1601 01:31:13,050 --> 01:31:18,180 kidnapping, murder plot was largely one of these operations. 1602 01:31:18,780 --> 01:31:19,290 Well, 1603 01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:21,870 Adam Curry: interesting that you bring that up. Here's two clips 1604 01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:25,560 Unknown: or sign here. Whitmer kidnap plot victim, but you were 1605 01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,260 one of them. You were one of the ones to talk to you for very 1606 01:31:28,260 --> 01:31:30,510 long. So real quick, I'm gonna go back to Miranda but tell me 1607 01:31:30,510 --> 01:31:33,390 real quick. We only got about 20 seconds. All right. You're so 1608 01:31:33,390 --> 01:31:35,910 you're one of the ones that got arrested for the plot. Yes, sir. 1609 01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:39,900 Eric, I'm Eric Molitor. Tell me about it real quick, real quick. 1610 01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:43,290 I don't even know where to start. FBI infiltrated basically 1611 01:31:43,290 --> 01:31:46,380 set it up. Am I right? The FBI set everything out. They drove 1612 01:31:46,380 --> 01:31:49,440 people they paid for everything how they wrote the script, 1613 01:31:49,470 --> 01:31:52,380 Governor Whitmer herself open her scheduling book and decided 1614 01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:55,050 with the FBI and State police wouldn't be the best time for 1615 01:31:55,050 --> 01:31:58,530 the daytime ride the nighttime ride, then they do people into 1616 01:31:58,530 --> 01:32:01,230 it. They even have proof we even have proof of them telling 1617 01:32:01,230 --> 01:32:03,990 people get as many people in the trucks as possible and don't 1618 01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:05,760 tell them what you're doing until they're already on the 1619 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,330 road. The idea was 100% setup and Governor what Marian if they 1620 01:32:09,330 --> 01:32:12,510 can do it to nobody like me. They will come after everybody 1621 01:32:12,510 --> 01:32:15,660 else. So let me ask your partner this without getting I don't 1622 01:32:15,660 --> 01:32:17,340 know if you're still going through the legal battles on it 1623 01:32:17,370 --> 01:32:19,950 acquitted man acquitted, acquitted. So this is one of 1624 01:32:19,950 --> 01:32:23,010 those things. She's still out there pushing this as if it was 1625 01:32:23,010 --> 01:32:26,070 a legitimate thing that there was a kidnap plot against her 1626 01:32:26,220 --> 01:32:29,700 that she set up with the FBI. It's walk me through what 1627 01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:32,700 actually happened that night. Oh my gosh, man. So I didn't go on 1628 01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:35,280 to what's known as the nighttime ride. I was duped into the 1629 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,880 daytime ride. And oh my gosh, again, there's so much that goes 1630 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,700 into anyways, I set up a Civil Defense Force for my area in 1631 01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:45,090 Wexford Cadillac city, because Antifa bail almost coming up 1632 01:32:45,090 --> 01:32:47,940 there. Through this process. I met Adam Fox who lived down here 1633 01:32:47,940 --> 01:32:52,470 in Grand Rapids actually, after a while he got me a job in 1634 01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:54,570 private security, which was really awesome. I thought that 1635 01:32:54,570 --> 01:32:56,850 Stewart was really, really cool. And he actually is a good guy, 1636 01:32:56,850 --> 01:32:57,600 by the way. So 1637 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,440 Adam Curry: you get the idea. Actually, I have a longer clip 1638 01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:04,650 of that, but it was fake. And then NPR stations. So one of the 1639 01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:07,410 troll room just posted are still talking about it in Michigan as 1640 01:33:07,410 --> 01:33:10,110 if it all was real and happened it wasn't the guys were 1641 01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:12,000 acquitted. It was a setup. 1642 01:33:12,540 --> 01:33:14,580 John C Dvorak: So this is where all acquitted because they got 1643 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,860 the FBI got busted. So this is 1644 01:33:16,860 --> 01:33:21,690 Adam Curry: very typical of the FBI, specifically the FBI. And 1645 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,230 no one typically no one gets hurt, but they can swoop in. 1646 01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:30,030 Remember the guy with the drones in DC like this huge, remote 1647 01:33:30,030 --> 01:33:34,080 controlled aircraft drive it over and over and over again. We 1648 01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:35,910 see this except you're 1649 01:33:35,910 --> 01:33:39,420 John C Dvorak: right, the FBI goes out of their way or tries 1650 01:33:39,420 --> 01:33:41,670 to go out of their way. So nobody gets hurt. Yeah, they 1651 01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:45,780 just get arrested. And they and the FBI budget goes up. Well, 1652 01:33:45,780 --> 01:33:48,630 Adam Curry: or at least they maintain it or it goes up. And 1653 01:33:48,630 --> 01:33:53,430 yeah, and so our thinking is that this kid kind of went rogue 1654 01:33:53,490 --> 01:33:56,430 as you say freelance and he brought his dad's rifle I like 1655 01:33:56,430 --> 01:33:58,560 yeah, you know what, I'm gonna really I'm gonna do something 1656 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,470 here. Everything points towards this, including 1657 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,390 John C Dvorak: so much more, including the dad calling 911 1658 01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:06,930 Yes, 1659 01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,980 Adam Curry: yes. The Wall Street Journal has a lot of reporting. 1660 01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:15,660 They say he was for the past year, he was quietly quietly 1661 01:34:15,660 --> 01:34:19,320 receiving nice reporting Wall Street Journal, quietly 1662 01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,530 receiving several packages that were marked hazardous material, 1663 01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,020 some of which law enforcement officials think he might have 1664 01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:28,470 used to make a pair of homemade bombs. Now notice there was no 1665 01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:33,120 detonation of the bombs. No one has told about I mean, we know a 1666 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,330 little bit about what was in them basically, you know, like 1667 01:34:36,330 --> 01:34:41,340 your standard ammonium bomb was some nitro flicker makan in 1668 01:34:41,340 --> 01:34:44,580 there, whatever. It doesn't matter nitrates what you're 1669 01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:47,490 saying. But they didn't they didn't explode. They didn't 1670 01:34:47,490 --> 01:34:54,570 detonate them. He had a he had a fireworks ignition system. By 1671 01:34:54,570 --> 01:34:57,930 the way the antenna was broken off at least in the picture I 1672 01:34:57,930 --> 01:35:02,310 saw. He had two cell phone It's I mean, this reeks of an FBI 1673 01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:05,730 setup. But the kid who has a horrible shot, he's like, you 1674 01:35:05,730 --> 01:35:08,880 know, I'm going to show that I'm a good shot. And he comes in and 1675 01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:13,050 he tries to shoot Trump and comes very close. This there's 1676 01:35:13,050 --> 01:35:17,910 something else that if if there was any noise out there or some 1677 01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:21,390 rumor, you remember the first headlines, what were the first 1678 01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:27,330 headlines that came out? When? When, when when Trump was shot 1679 01:35:28,110 --> 01:35:32,520 during the first headlines? No, I don't loud noises scare Trump. 1680 01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:35,370 John C Dvorak: Oh, that was the headlines from the from from 1681 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,570 multiple, multiple multiple outlets that tried to downplay 1682 01:35:39,570 --> 01:35:40,290 the whole thing, 1683 01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:46,140 Adam Curry: or were they expecting loud noises? were they 1684 01:35:46,140 --> 01:35:51,330 expecting some pre written maybe? Maybe I'm just saying 1685 01:35:51,390 --> 01:35:51,720 it's just 1686 01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,000 John C Dvorak: that they made fools of themselves by putting 1687 01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:55,740 in the headlines. Oh, Trump falls. So 1688 01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:58,920 Adam Curry: I think that it's very possible that a couple of 1689 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:04,680 these outlets, were ready to go. Loud noises Trump, you know, 1690 01:36:04,710 --> 01:36:08,370 there was a couple of headlines. And we all looked at it and 1691 01:36:08,370 --> 01:36:11,460 said, Oh, man, they can't even say that he got shot. I mean, 1692 01:36:11,490 --> 01:36:13,770 obviously, it's the difference between loud noises and 1693 01:36:13,770 --> 01:36:16,830 gunshots. Gunshot everyone heard was gunshots. There was no 1694 01:36:16,830 --> 01:36:19,770 mistake in that whatsoever. Where did these headlines come 1695 01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:23,910 from? That that I think it just adds to our possible scenario 1696 01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:30,450 here. Then we hear there's a lot of multiple shooter stuff out 1697 01:36:30,450 --> 01:36:35,010 there. And so there's some really grainy video where you 1698 01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:38,490 have the water tower, you see the water, even the top of the 1699 01:36:38,490 --> 01:36:41,640 water tower is going back and forth because the camera is 1700 01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:45,480 zooming in and zooming out. I mean, know that. As far as I 1701 01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:45,900 know, there were 1702 01:36:46,140 --> 01:36:48,210 John C Dvorak: these things that people are buying. It's just 1703 01:36:48,210 --> 01:36:49,980 like, what if they were they? 1704 01:36:50,460 --> 01:36:53,430 Adam Curry: If there were two shooters, Trump would be dead? 1705 01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:58,740 If I even heard today. The guy had a zipline, he zipline down 1706 01:36:58,740 --> 01:37:02,820 from the water tower. Okay, all right. It's nonsense. Then we 1707 01:37:02,820 --> 01:37:08,010 have the audio analysis, multiple guns, multiple 1708 01:37:08,010 --> 01:37:11,970 shooters. I liked it. A little bit about audio. I liked this. 1709 01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:16,890 By the way, I liked the idea of looking at the sound, the crack 1710 01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:21,900 and the retort. So pluck, pluck foam, pluck foam, two seconds 1711 01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:26,370 between each one. And then the last one on the last four shots, 1712 01:37:26,370 --> 01:37:31,320 or three or four shots. You hear there's a different distance 1713 01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:38,460 between the talk and film. What I think I can dispute this, this 1714 01:37:38,490 --> 01:37:43,620 audio is taken outside, on a camera on a phone, which is 1715 01:37:43,620 --> 01:37:48,240 moving around, you're going to get different acoustics you're 1716 01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:52,260 going to get all kinds of different slap backs from a 1717 01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:55,680 camera that is not stationary. It's not like it was a 1718 01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,210 stationary mic. 1719 01:37:58,020 --> 01:38:00,090 John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's also the thing that seems to be 1720 01:38:00,090 --> 01:38:03,690 ignored. wish there were two shooters. One of them was the 1721 01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:07,230 Secret Service sniper shooting at the kid. 1722 01:38:07,230 --> 01:38:10,890 Adam Curry: Well, supposedly, the ninth shot is that one. But 1723 01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,830 we don't know. Breaking news. We don't really know. 1724 01:38:13,860 --> 01:38:16,740 John C Dvorak: We don't know. But it's since the ninth shot 1725 01:38:16,740 --> 01:38:20,940 was that one. We have one guy who has? No he's just kind of 1726 01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:23,460 chuckling to himself as though he's solved the whole thing. And 1727 01:38:23,460 --> 01:38:27,960 he shows the guy shooting three times. This hole is just 1728 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:28,950 ridiculous. 1729 01:38:29,460 --> 01:38:31,770 Adam Curry: So there is a large contingent of people out there 1730 01:38:31,770 --> 01:38:35,670 believing this was a complete setup. I mean, people I respect, 1731 01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:39,060 this is the biggest show on earth. I and I have to say 1732 01:38:39,060 --> 01:38:44,850 again, no. If this was not if it was October, I would give you 1733 01:38:44,850 --> 01:38:48,660 some leeway. They make Oh, but this was for he was going to win 1734 01:38:48,660 --> 01:38:52,950 the nomination anyway, this is not to get him nominated. This 1735 01:38:52,980 --> 01:38:58,170 makes no sense that this was a false flag. Already. It was you 1736 01:38:58,170 --> 01:39:01,440 know, he he had a little ear clip, you know, He clipped his 1737 01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:04,830 own ear. And when he put his head no, no. How about it was 1738 01:39:04,830 --> 01:39:09,840 real. How about that for a second? It was real. But the 1739 01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:14,220 mounting evidence, evidence and circumstances of this kid is 1740 01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:18,900 amazing. We're seeing a narrative being built. It is all 1741 01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:24,450 coming from sources. From phone calls that people aren't allowed 1742 01:39:24,450 --> 01:39:26,970 to talk to there's no briefing for everything else in the 1743 01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:30,390 world. We get daily briefings, we get the FBI, they're up 1744 01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:33,240 there, you know, you maybe get the Secret Service, someone's 1745 01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,850 going to be talking about it, but there's nothing there's none 1746 01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:39,690 of that. So it's very fishy, that that's not happening. And I 1747 01:39:39,690 --> 01:39:42,570 don't think it's because there's some conspiracy outside of the 1748 01:39:42,570 --> 01:39:46,500 FBI trying to pull off one of the little gambits but then we 1749 01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:47,520 have this bombshell. 1750 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,470 Unknown: In the meantime, we do want to get into this new 1751 01:39:49,470 --> 01:39:52,980 bombshell report right now shell just moments ago coming in from 1752 01:39:52,980 --> 01:39:56,250 the Wall Street Journal, and I'm going to read from some of the 1753 01:39:56,250 --> 01:39:59,220 piece and this is quite stunning. Let's take some of 1754 01:39:59,220 --> 01:40:01,170 this video out there. Here's what we know. According to The 1755 01:40:01,170 --> 01:40:03,870 Wall Street Journal, they just published this piece that a 1756 01:40:03,870 --> 01:40:07,650 gunman who tried to kill Donald Trump was able to fly a drone 1757 01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:10,230 and get aerial footage of the Western Pennsylvania 1758 01:40:10,230 --> 01:40:13,590 fairgrounds. Shortly before the former president was set to 1759 01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:16,170 speak their law enforcement officials briefed on the matter 1760 01:40:16,170 --> 01:40:19,650 said further underscoring the stunning security lapses ahead 1761 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,250 of Trump's assassination. They go on to say And they're 1762 01:40:23,250 --> 01:40:27,060 reporting that Thomas Matthew crooks flew the drone on a 1763 01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:32,460 programmed flight path earlier in the day on July the 13th. to 1764 01:40:32,460 --> 01:40:36,150 scour the butler farm Showgrounds ahead of Trump's ill 1765 01:40:36,150 --> 01:40:39,570 fated rally according to the officials, the predetermined 1766 01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:43,320 path, the officials added, suggests crooks flew the drone 1767 01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:47,670 more than once as he researched and scoped out the event site. 1768 01:40:48,270 --> 01:40:48,480 So 1769 01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:52,020 Adam Curry: I would like to see said drone. I'd like to get a 1770 01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:54,690 little bit of information about this drone. What kind of drone 1771 01:40:54,690 --> 01:40:59,160 was it because there was a TFR in place a temporary flight 1772 01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:04,110 restriction has very normal when the when someone of this stature 1773 01:41:04,110 --> 01:41:08,760 speaks, and it's a zone and it was all around this entire area 1774 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,970 where you cannot fly it and they put it out and in no time notice 1775 01:41:11,970 --> 01:41:16,380 to Airmen. Oh, I'm sorry. That's misogynistic. And as a part of 1776 01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:23,010 it, and so even even a drone flying would be under this TFR 1777 01:41:23,010 --> 01:41:26,520 and in fact, it says in the know time the Department of Defense, 1778 01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,550 the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of 1779 01:41:29,550 --> 01:41:33,330 Justice may take security action that results in the interference 1780 01:41:33,330 --> 01:41:38,580 disruptions seizure, damaging or destruction of unmanned aircraft 1781 01:41:38,580 --> 01:41:41,730 deemed to pose a credible safety or security threat to protected 1782 01:41:41,730 --> 01:41:46,740 personnel or assets. So possible, that's just bullcrap. 1783 01:41:46,740 --> 01:41:49,620 And they're not looking at all for drones. I don't think drones 1784 01:41:49,620 --> 01:41:52,380 have transponders. But if there were serious about this 1785 01:41:52,650 --> 01:41:57,150 security, then you know, as they portend here, yes, then that is 1786 01:41:57,150 --> 01:42:00,840 something that probably should not have been able to happen. I 1787 01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:04,320 John C Dvorak: want to correct your terminology. sexist and 1788 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:06,630 misogyny is not they're not synonyms. I'm 1789 01:42:06,630 --> 01:42:08,700 Adam Curry: sorry. Yes, sexist. I'm just sexist. 1790 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,270 John C Dvorak: Wait, since you're playing that, like that's 1791 01:42:12,270 --> 01:42:16,680 a distraction. Let's play this Josh Hawley clip. It's a false 1792 01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:17,100 report. 1793 01:42:17,190 --> 01:42:19,440 Adam Curry: You're jumping ahead, but okay, we can do this. 1794 01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:22,680 Where is yes, Jess, harlot. Can we just wait one second on the 1795 01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:27,900 Josh Holly thing? Because the secret services is last. Secret 1796 01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:30,660 Services last. All right, then it will play it. Yeah. Yeah. 1797 01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:33,690 Because he has the whistleblower. So now we're 1798 01:42:33,690 --> 01:42:37,590 starting to supposedly Yeah, now now we're starting to build up a 1799 01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:40,650 little bit of a profile with different news reports. 1800 01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:43,860 Unknown: They do know that he registered as a Republican a 1801 01:42:43,860 --> 01:42:47,700 couple of days after his 18th birthday. But that's, you know 1802 01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:51,060 that and I think his final search on the internet was for 1803 01:42:51,060 --> 01:42:56,070 pornography. He also looked for pictures of both Trump and 1804 01:42:56,070 --> 01:43:00,510 Biden. And also Chris Wray, the FBI director and Merrick 1805 01:43:00,510 --> 01:43:04,920 Garland. So he was very angry, I think with the government in 1806 01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:05,460 general, 1807 01:43:05,550 --> 01:43:09,120 Adam Curry: beautiful. First of all, he's he's an INCEL. Looking 1808 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:13,110 for porn. Couldn't be FBI couldn't be involved because he 1809 01:43:13,110 --> 01:43:16,830 had a picture of FBI director Chris rea on his phone. So the 1810 01:43:16,830 --> 01:43:19,650 Department of Justice because you know, we got the Attorney 1811 01:43:19,650 --> 01:43:21,630 General there. No, wait, where'd 1812 01:43:21,630 --> 01:43:22,770 John C Dvorak: you get this clip? 1813 01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:26,940 Adam Curry: I don't remember where I got that from it. 1814 01:43:27,450 --> 01:43:30,690 John C Dvorak: This is planned his story. This is his plan. I 1815 01:43:30,690 --> 01:43:33,450 don't have to be nice to know the source. Okay. Yes, someone 1816 01:43:33,450 --> 01:43:35,400 Adam Curry: sent it to me and it was no source I should have 1817 01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,630 asked for a source. Normally habits such as this as CNN, 1818 01:43:39,660 --> 01:43:43,770 here's a big part of the of the story that's being created law 1819 01:43:43,770 --> 01:43:46,260 Unknown: enforcement sources telling CNN that there were 1820 01:43:46,260 --> 01:43:50,010 pictures on the shooters phone of both President Biden and 1821 01:43:50,010 --> 01:43:53,490 President Trump, but law enforcement. Sources also noted 1822 01:43:53,490 --> 01:43:56,880 that there were other Political figures on his phone as well, 1823 01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,190 including pictures of House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, 1824 01:43:59,340 --> 01:44:02,790 and speaker Mike Johnson, but no threatening language 1825 01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:04,740 accompanying any of those photos. And 1826 01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:06,720 Adam Curry: you know, what I love about there were pictures 1827 01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:11,190 on what did he have in an album, they have him as his screen, his 1828 01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:11,910 lock screen, 1829 01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:14,190 John C Dvorak: we had to look at the picture of Trump mood before 1830 01:44:14,190 --> 01:44:15,390 he took the shot to make sure. 1831 01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:20,100 Adam Curry: I mean, this is completely bogus. The 1832 01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:23,220 Unknown: other thing is new information is that crooks 1833 01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,640 apparently has searched for information on major depression 1834 01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,250 disorder. But still law enforcement officials say that 1835 01:44:29,250 --> 01:44:33,300 there's no evidence that he himself had any diagnosis. And 1836 01:44:33,300 --> 01:44:36,270 the last thing, sir, that I'll note is from the House Briefing 1837 01:44:36,270 --> 01:44:41,010 law, say legislative sources were telling us that the shooter 1838 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,760 actually visited that rally site twice before the shooting. And 1839 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,570 cellphone data shows that he was at that rally site at least 70 1840 01:44:48,570 --> 01:44:50,280 minutes prior to the shooting. So 1841 01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:52,710 Adam Curry: this is new, this is something new, they have not 1842 01:44:52,710 --> 01:44:55,080 done it before, which tells me they're a little desperate, 1843 01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,650 because clearly, this is not politically motivated. We can't 1844 01:44:58,650 --> 01:45:03,030 blame it on that. Can't blame it on the FBI in the oh, he was 1845 01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:06,420 very interested in Hakeem Jeffries. Okay, sure. But the 1846 01:45:06,420 --> 01:45:08,250 Daily Mail expert 1847 01:45:08,490 --> 01:45:10,770 John C Dvorak: before before he go on, I want to say what you're 1848 01:45:10,770 --> 01:45:17,010 doing. You are showing that the FBI was reverse engineering, a 1849 01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:21,360 possible scenario because of the screw up but of the kids growing 1850 01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,760 up with this kid with the kid going rogue so now what are we 1851 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,970 going to do? Yes, let's start piecing together a phony story. 1852 01:45:26,970 --> 01:45:27,240 Yes. 1853 01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:29,700 Adam Curry: Including and this is new. They never do this. 1854 01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:34,410 Doctors say antidepressants may have pushed Trump shooter Thomas 1855 01:45:34,410 --> 01:45:40,080 crooks over the edge as Oh, as concerning new details emerge. 1856 01:45:40,890 --> 01:45:44,250 Now and remember, let me just read a few pieces from this 1857 01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:48,210 report. Details are beginning to emerge about the state of mind 1858 01:45:48,210 --> 01:45:52,080 of Donald Trump's would be assassin after the FBI gain 1859 01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,110 access to his cell phone this week apparently had two or three 1860 01:45:55,110 --> 01:45:58,650 but okay. Though no concrete motive has been established 1861 01:45:58,650 --> 01:46:03,120 Thomas crooks exclusive story. Internet history revealed he 1862 01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:06,210 searched for information about major depressive disorder in the 1863 01:46:06,210 --> 01:46:10,200 days leading up to the attack. In addition to that, 1864 01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,290 John C Dvorak: well, by the way that shows there's a flaw 1865 01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,010 because according to the reports, he never went got 1866 01:46:17,010 --> 01:46:19,740 diagnosed by a doctor. So how did he get the prescription? 1867 01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:22,080 Adam Curry: We Oh, we don't know if he if he was looking for 1868 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:23,610 prescription, but this Oh 1869 01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:25,440 John C Dvorak: no. How did he get the prescription? He was 1870 01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,710 told if they're gonna start blaming drugs on this. Somebody 1871 01:46:28,710 --> 01:46:30,240 has yet to get diagnosed. 1872 01:46:31,980 --> 01:46:35,460 Adam Curry: Well, they haven't figured that one out yet. But 1873 01:46:35,460 --> 01:46:39,420 this story, I have never seen this before. This story from The 1874 01:46:39,420 --> 01:46:46,890 Daily Mail links to an Oxford Department of Psychiatry. Story 1875 01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:50,940 depression linked to violent crime study finds. Wow, didn't 1876 01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:55,350 hear about that. Three times more likely, according to 1877 01:46:55,380 --> 01:47:00,210 Oxford, three times more likely to commit violent acts, violent 1878 01:47:00,210 --> 01:47:04,560 crimes. If you're on antidepressants. Gee, what next? 1879 01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:09,210 Video games make you do this stuff? I mean, come on. I'm 1880 01:47:09,210 --> 01:47:11,490 trying to see if this there was one more piece let me see if 1881 01:47:11,490 --> 01:47:12,120 this is it. a 1882 01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,520 Unknown: clearer picture of the shooter and the actions of 20 1883 01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:16,950 year old Thomas Matthew crooks is emerging. 1884 01:47:19,470 --> 01:47:21,090 Adam Curry: From the FBI at you 1885 01:47:21,090 --> 01:47:23,790 Unknown: crooks is emerging. A source familiar with the 1886 01:47:23,790 --> 01:47:26,850 investigation telling NBC News crooks flew a drone oh, 1887 01:47:26,850 --> 01:47:29,370 Adam Curry: by the way, crooks worked at a nursing home maybe 1888 01:47:29,370 --> 01:47:31,710 had access to drugs there. You never know. Those 1889 01:47:31,710 --> 01:47:34,260 Unknown: familiar with the investigation telling NBC News 1890 01:47:34,260 --> 01:47:37,620 crooks flew a drone at the rally site mere hours before Donald 1891 01:47:37,620 --> 01:47:40,860 Trump took the stage. While common for the Secret Service to 1892 01:47:40,860 --> 01:47:44,250 banned drones over areas they are securing. It's unclear if 1893 01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:47,190 that happened in this case, drone and drone equipment were 1894 01:47:47,190 --> 01:47:50,370 found in Crixus car according to a senior law enforcement source. 1895 01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:54,330 To senior law enforcement sources tell NBC News The FBI 1896 01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,210 has uncovered more than 14,000 links on the phone to the 1897 01:47:57,210 --> 01:47:59,970 shooter. And then online searches by crooks involved 1898 01:47:59,970 --> 01:48:03,720 depressive disorder, explosive materials and chemical compounds 1899 01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:07,200 as well as information about the 2021 Oxford High School mass 1900 01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,540 shooting and convicted shooter Ethan crumbly 1901 01:48:10,620 --> 01:48:14,040 Adam Curry: that's the one who's the one whose parents went to 1902 01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:14,460 jail. 1903 01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:19,110 John C Dvorak: Cromley maybe yeah, criminally maybe I'm using 1904 01:48:19,110 --> 01:48:25,290 14,000 links first of all with a phone first got is cracked. It's 1905 01:48:25,290 --> 01:48:28,740 there is nothing on it. If I don't know maybe I just heard 1906 01:48:28,740 --> 01:48:33,600 that. And now all of a sudden this 14,000 14,000 links on your 1907 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:37,230 phone you guys gotta get he's got to have some tendinitis in 1908 01:48:37,230 --> 01:48:41,760 his thumbs. Well, there's a lot of links. I mean, 1909 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,960 Adam Curry: one one web page could have 100 links. We have no 1910 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:50,550 and breaking news. We have no information. We're building a 1911 01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:54,900 story as you said the reverse engineering a story around this 1912 01:48:54,900 --> 01:48:58,290 kid because it did not do what they wanted. They wanted some 1913 01:48:58,290 --> 01:49:02,700 loud bang bang noises this kid Oh crazy. Oh yeah, they probably 1914 01:49:02,700 --> 01:49:04,800 would have killed him. Probably. 1915 01:49:06,630 --> 01:49:10,110 John C Dvorak: Not necessarily. I'm gonna kill these other guys 1916 01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:13,530 like the crazy guys that were trying to blow up one thing you 1917 01:49:13,530 --> 01:49:16,380 know that Muslims, that guys that they were at a party and 1918 01:49:16,380 --> 01:49:20,610 they're going to blow up something Florida alive. I'm 1919 01:49:20,610 --> 01:49:22,950 going to say necessarily kill anybody. 1920 01:49:22,980 --> 01:49:25,560 Adam Curry: I'm going to set you up for the holly clip or the 1921 01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:27,330 Unknown: House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed the 1922 01:49:27,330 --> 01:49:30,630 Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheeto to appear before that 1923 01:49:30,630 --> 01:49:32,970 panel on Monday as they investigate the security 1924 01:49:32,970 --> 01:49:36,420 breakdown. That apparently made the shooting possible over the 1925 01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:39,600 past weekend. Republican Congressman Mark Alford of 1926 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,810 Missouri joins me now. Congressman, thank you very much 1927 01:49:42,810 --> 01:49:47,040 for joining us. I guess. First of all, we know that law 1928 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,650 enforcement officials briefed members of Congress yesterday 1929 01:49:49,650 --> 01:49:53,550 about some of the details of that assassination attempt over 1930 01:49:53,550 --> 01:49:56,820 the weekend. What did you hear from that briefing regarding the 1931 01:49:56,820 --> 01:49:58,080 shooting that stood out to you 1932 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,290 Well, Jim, thanks for having me on. 1933 01:50:01,290 --> 01:50:04,440 Yes, I was on that briefing call. It was an Off The Record 1934 01:50:04,440 --> 01:50:07,170 call. So there's not a lot that I can share with you. I will 1935 01:50:07,170 --> 01:50:10,140 tell you in generalities though director Cheadle and director 1936 01:50:10,140 --> 01:50:15,180 Ray did acknowledge that this was a failure, insecurity. And I 1937 01:50:15,570 --> 01:50:18,660 believe that Mike Johnson, our speaker was the one to say that 1938 01:50:18,660 --> 01:50:21,960 this was the biggest security failure for the Secret Service 1939 01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:26,250 since Ronald Reagan was shot. They gave us a timeline, a very 1940 01:50:26,250 --> 01:50:29,700 detailed timeline of what went on, but no real answers. And 1941 01:50:29,700 --> 01:50:33,090 they said, at this point, we're really not ruling anything out 1942 01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:36,420 that we have to continue the investigation, in a candid let 1943 01:50:36,420 --> 01:50:38,700 the facts lead us where they may. So of 1944 01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:40,890 John C Dvorak: course, to continue writing the script, 1945 01:50:40,890 --> 01:50:44,070 we're not we're not done with the script too many we get some 1946 01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:46,620 creative people, it takes them a while sometimes. Yeah. And you 1947 01:50:46,620 --> 01:50:48,270 Adam Curry: know, there was a strike, so it's hard to get them 1948 01:50:48,270 --> 01:50:55,830 back. So now we have all kinds of new reporting. Turns out 1949 01:50:55,830 --> 01:51:00,540 well, you know, we kind of had resource issues. That's why we 1950 01:51:00,540 --> 01:51:04,170 went all dei to get anybody in there that we could, some of 1951 01:51:04,170 --> 01:51:07,740 these secret service agents probably weren't even really, 1952 01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,160 you know, regular Secret Service agents, we have to sometimes get 1953 01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:15,540 local people turns out, just like I said, we're not living in 1954 01:51:15,540 --> 01:51:18,990 the West Wing people. This is not a Harrison Ford Presidential 1955 01:51:18,990 --> 01:51:23,190 movie. It's real life. Government sucks. They don't 1956 01:51:23,190 --> 01:51:27,240 protect anybody or anything. Not really. They don't protect you. 1957 01:51:27,870 --> 01:51:30,990 And, you know, even President Biden I got a picture from one 1958 01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:37,110 of our producers when he arrived at Delaware Air Force Base 1959 01:51:37,110 --> 01:51:40,290 Delaware. Yeah. He says I just got in with my regular 1960 01:51:40,290 --> 01:51:42,840 credentials went right up to the up to the fence took this 1961 01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,630 picture. I could have done anything. Could have done 1962 01:51:45,630 --> 01:51:49,320 anything at that. I could have picked him right off. Probably 1963 01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,690 yeah, because it's it's a hoax does 1964 01:51:51,690 --> 01:51:53,790 John C Dvorak: or is this when he went to Baphomet where is 1965 01:51:53,820 --> 01:51:58,500 that? Baphomet Delaware's? Really? Baphomet Are you kidding 1966 01:51:58,500 --> 01:51:58,710 me? 1967 01:51:58,710 --> 01:52:02,250 Adam Curry: Baphomet the he goes to Baphomet please tell me it's 1968 01:52:02,250 --> 01:52:05,730 Baphomet is there a bathroom? It? Oh, no, no, no, we 1969 01:52:05,730 --> 01:52:09,600 John C Dvorak: hold that over Jehovah the bathroom that some 1970 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,010 Taos Baphomet 1971 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:15,270 Adam Curry: he better not. Baphomet? No, there's no such 1972 01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:21,690 thing as bad from Delaware. But he may have gone to see Baphomet 1973 01:52:21,690 --> 01:52:24,150 I don't know. All right. So now you're 1974 01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:27,600 John C Dvorak: this is a short clip from Fox News. And this is 1975 01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,810 only part of the long, long, long clip on this, but I thought 1976 01:52:30,810 --> 01:52:34,620 it would at least it brings in another element of confusion and 1977 01:52:34,620 --> 01:52:37,650 Unknown: we continue to follow the latest here in Trump's 1978 01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,670 attempted assassination. We are getting big breaking news here 1979 01:52:41,670 --> 01:52:47,490 on this Friday. This is all recording. Josh Hawley. He has 1980 01:52:47,490 --> 01:52:51,870 whistleblowers coming to him that detail most of Trump's 1981 01:52:51,870 --> 01:52:56,250 security detail working the event last Saturday, we're not 1982 01:52:56,280 --> 01:53:01,620 even Secret Service. Again, we're not even Secret Service 1983 01:53:01,620 --> 01:53:08,400 Day, DHS assigned unprepared and inexperienced personnel. So this 1984 01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:13,620 is the letter A right now that Senator Josh Hawley just put out 1985 01:53:14,190 --> 01:53:19,140 to the Department of Homeland Security saying I write to raise 1986 01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:22,350 concerns brought to me by whistleblowers about your 1987 01:53:22,350 --> 01:53:26,130 department's stunning failure to protect former President Trump 1988 01:53:26,130 --> 01:53:30,930 on July 13 2024. As Secretary of Homeland Security, you are 1989 01:53:30,930 --> 01:53:34,860 ultimately responsible for your agency. And its components, 1990 01:53:34,890 --> 01:53:39,270 including the US Secret Service, whistleblowers who have direct 1991 01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:42,270 knowledge of the event have approached my office. According 1992 01:53:42,300 --> 01:53:46,950 to the allegations, the July 13 rally was considered to be a 1993 01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:48,930 loose security event. 1994 01:53:50,850 --> 01:53:53,340 Adam Curry: There's all kinds of stories out there. 1995 01:53:53,460 --> 01:53:55,710 John C Dvorak: And it doesn't make any sense with the fact 1996 01:53:55,710 --> 01:53:59,970 that supposedly another I think misdirection which is that Iran 1997 01:53:59,970 --> 01:54:04,350 has got a hit on Trump. Yeah, was my favorite. Yeah, so this 1998 01:54:04,350 --> 01:54:07,650 is just this is bordering on ridiculous, and it doesn't help 1999 01:54:07,650 --> 01:54:11,820 by the way with all the false flag narratives and the rest of 2000 01:54:11,820 --> 01:54:13,500 it. The whole thing is a joke, 2001 01:54:13,530 --> 01:54:16,800 Adam Curry: but we've all been conditioned to this. We've all 2002 01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:20,370 been conditioned to be looking at these things. Well, I mean, 2003 01:54:20,370 --> 01:54:23,460 this is so our comes razor for the show, at least, like come 2004 01:54:23,460 --> 01:54:26,280 on. We've seen this we've seen this script. We've seen the 2005 01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:30,330 reverse engineering of the of the actor, and it's so obvious 2006 01:54:30,330 --> 01:54:34,260 the kids stopped me he went got 50 rolls 50 rounds, man, that's 2007 01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:38,700 half a box but what is that? 50 rounds, nothing. Cut 50 rounds, 2008 01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:39,060 but 2009 01:54:39,570 --> 01:54:41,820 John C Dvorak: that's a pretty big bullet. Don't think that's 2010 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:46,110 half of I think it's I think they come in 100 I don't think 2011 01:54:46,110 --> 01:54:51,360 that big bullet comes in 100 big bullet. It's a 556 is a big 2012 01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:51,960 bullet. It's 2013 01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:54,570 Adam Curry: not a 2002 You know, it's a 556 2014 01:54:54,780 --> 01:54:57,870 John C Dvorak: they they've discovered they fit rods been 2015 01:54:58,170 --> 01:55:02,730 brought out and just discussed The lot. That is a 556 2016 01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:05,640 Adam Curry: Douchebag Pat says 50 rounds in a box 2017 01:55:06,630 --> 01:55:09,240 John C Dvorak: of that big 556 bullet. I don't think so. 2018 01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:11,220 Adam Curry: 556 is not that big. 2019 01:55:13,019 --> 01:55:17,579 John C Dvorak: Okay, 5050 rounds in a box. So we bought a box. 2020 01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:20,669 One got a box, whatever you bought whatever he bought, he 2021 01:55:20,669 --> 01:55:21,419 took his dad's 2022 01:55:21,420 --> 01:55:25,530 Adam Curry: gun. The dad's like, hey, I can call a 911. We think 2023 01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,720 we don't know. Breaking this true to 2024 01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:29,880 John C Dvorak: we don't have any proof of back don't know 2025 01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:33,900 anything Russian. So no, the whole thing is bad. It's bad 2026 01:55:33,900 --> 01:55:34,500 morning. 2027 01:55:34,980 --> 01:55:37,320 Adam Curry: And before Biden resigned. Thank you everybody 2028 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:41,040 for jumping in. Biden resigned. Thank you. I'm it's like people 2029 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:41,760 are texting me. 2030 01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:43,950 John C Dvorak: Yes. A little late. 2031 01:55:43,980 --> 01:55:46,110 Adam Curry: I got you. That's okay. News travel. We 2032 01:55:46,110 --> 01:55:48,420 John C Dvorak: opened the show with Biden resigned. Not 2033 01:55:48,420 --> 01:55:50,370 Adam Curry: everyone. Not everybody had people just trying 2034 01:55:50,370 --> 01:55:56,520 to be helpful, just trying to be helpful. So, the word the 2035 01:55:56,520 --> 01:56:00,240 headlines were that Cheeto was going to resign, which she 2036 01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,270 better do because she didn't she wants to resign before she I 2037 01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:07,050 don't know if she can get out of this hearing. But you want some 2038 01:56:07,050 --> 01:56:11,580 ratings. Man Cheeto. Tomorrow is going to be fantastic. I 2039 01:56:11,790 --> 01:56:14,850 John C Dvorak: hate to say it, but you're right. So I'm going 2040 01:56:14,850 --> 01:56:19,140 to end up to go opening up the C span. Yeah. So 2041 01:56:19,170 --> 01:56:21,780 Adam Curry: Captain Obvious Jesse waters somehow got to 2042 01:56:21,810 --> 01:56:24,960 President Trump on in the studio. No one 2043 01:56:25,110 --> 01:56:26,040 Unknown: told you not to 2044 01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:28,800 take the stage. Nobody mentioned it. Nobody said there was a 2045 01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:32,490 problem. And I would have waited for 15. They could have said 2046 01:56:32,490 --> 01:56:36,000 let's wait for 15 minutes. 20 minutes, five minutes, something 2047 01:56:36,630 --> 01:56:39,990 nobody said I think that was a mistake. How did somebody get on 2048 01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:43,050 that roof? And why wasn't he reported because people saw that 2049 01:56:43,050 --> 01:56:49,110 he was on the roof. We knew had Trumpers screaming a woman in 2050 01:56:49,110 --> 01:56:53,220 the red in the red shirt. She was screaming in a man on the 2051 01:56:53,220 --> 01:56:56,310 roof and then other people's it is a man on the roof who's got a 2052 01:56:56,310 --> 01:57:01,230 gun? And that was quite a bit before I walked onto the stage. 2053 01:57:01,380 --> 01:57:03,240 So you would have thought somebody would have done 2054 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:04,800 something about it? No. 2055 01:57:05,010 --> 01:57:08,820 Adam Curry: And I'm just gonna keep it where it is. FBI sting 2056 01:57:08,850 --> 01:57:13,320 typical six week cycle went wrong. Supposed to be Bang Bang 2057 01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:16,170 Trump was supposed to be cowering make him look all 2058 01:57:16,170 --> 01:57:19,050 scared running away. Maybe that's why the photographer was 2059 01:57:19,050 --> 01:57:22,800 there. Who got the who got the shot, you know, with the bullet 2060 01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:25,740 flying through the air, which Thank you. At least 100 2061 01:57:25,740 --> 01:57:29,220 photographers have told us this is completely possible. Not 2062 01:57:29,220 --> 01:57:34,800 crazy. Not fake. Not phony. So calm down every mostly 2063 01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:38,280 John C Dvorak: about that one. 8000s. Shutter speed. More notes 2064 01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:39,450 on that than anything. 2065 01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:40,740 Adam Curry: Yeah, calm down. I 2066 01:57:40,740 --> 01:57:42,990 John C Dvorak: don't think we said it was impossible. Did we? 2067 01:57:42,990 --> 01:57:43,380 I 2068 01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:46,560 Adam Curry: know. You actually said bullcrap. But it's okay. I 2069 01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:51,180 said bull crap. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. People are more upset 2070 01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:53,940 about your tip of the day than that. Trust me. So 2071 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,370 John C Dvorak: they are they're upset about them. I'm going to 2072 01:57:56,370 --> 01:57:59,460 stop doing Tip of the day because they get so much blow 2073 01:57:59,460 --> 01:58:01,710 for you don't get that was Oh crap. 2074 01:58:03,180 --> 01:58:07,860 Adam Curry: Oh, by entities that people love you. Hey, you know 2075 01:58:07,860 --> 01:58:11,580 you're over the target when you're getting Flack. Oh, 2076 01:58:12,210 --> 01:58:13,230 John C Dvorak: yeah, must be it. 2077 01:58:14,460 --> 01:58:16,440 Adam Curry: Alright, I'm gonna close the conspiracy. Well, no, 2078 01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,720 I'm gonna keep the door open for a minute because we gotta go 2079 01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:22,530 into the next piece, which is critically important. Lo and 2080 01:58:22,530 --> 01:58:26,820 behold, on the Bill Maher show, which I just happen to catch on 2081 01:58:26,820 --> 01:58:31,170 CNN because I was prepping last night. And you know I was having 2082 01:58:32,040 --> 01:58:34,680 scanning through the channels just to see if I need to clip 2083 01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:36,840 anything which by the way, YouTube TV, here's a tip of the 2084 01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:40,620 day. YouTube TV is so awesome for that because you can just 2085 01:58:40,620 --> 01:58:44,040 stop it. Click back a little bit, get my clip machine going 2086 01:58:44,070 --> 01:58:47,640 roll it got the clip. Fantastic. And that's how I got who told 2087 01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:51,390 you this? You did. So it should have been Tip of the Day. It 2088 01:58:51,390 --> 01:58:51,630 should 2089 01:58:51,630 --> 01:58:53,790 John C Dvorak: have been Yeah, YouTube TV is dynamite because 2090 01:58:53,790 --> 01:58:57,720 of his virtual record fueled recording system is a virtual 2091 01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:02,190 PCR and you can basically record everything and it keeps it for 2092 01:59:02,190 --> 01:59:03,750 like 90 days. Yeah, 2093 01:59:03,780 --> 01:59:05,580 Adam Curry: I mean, I've already got all my favorite Olympic 2094 01:59:05,580 --> 01:59:09,090 sports lined up as great recording fencing. 2095 01:59:09,630 --> 01:59:11,940 John C Dvorak: I doubt well you'd have that but that would 2096 01:59:11,940 --> 01:59:15,300 be the only one no and athletic. Yes, that's not gay enough for 2097 01:59:15,300 --> 01:59:21,630 you. Fencing is wow. The I'm sorry that it was uncalled for 2098 01:59:21,630 --> 01:59:22,020 fencing 2099 01:59:22,020 --> 01:59:24,900 Adam Curry: is anything but gay. That's a real man sport. 2100 01:59:26,430 --> 01:59:28,860 John C Dvorak: Without all the protective gear I say yes. 2101 01:59:30,900 --> 01:59:33,960 Adam Curry: So who shows up for the opening interview on Bill 2102 01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:39,750 Maher show? Mayor Pete. Pete Buda judge, very interesting. 2103 01:59:39,900 --> 01:59:42,690 Spoke better than he usually does. Should 2104 01:59:42,690 --> 01:59:46,200 Unknown: Joe Biden have fired the Secret Service head. I mean, 2105 01:59:46,230 --> 01:59:48,120 I don't understand that. I'm 2106 01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:51,180 not in on all the details of the Homeland Security side. I know 2107 01:59:51,180 --> 01:59:55,860 there's really serious after action report and process and a 2108 01:59:55,860 --> 01:59:58,050 whole lot of scrutiny going on there. I think you know, 2109 01:59:58,050 --> 02:00:01,020 everything that led up to that moment that horrible moment is 2110 02:00:01,020 --> 02:00:03,960 under a microscope. And I believe that President Biden in 2111 02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:05,670 the administration will do the right thing. But you didn't 2112 02:00:05,670 --> 02:00:08,460 need a microscope to see it. Yeah, but you also was on the 2113 02:00:08,460 --> 02:00:13,080 roof. Like, like, not that far away with a rifle for a long 2114 02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:17,370 time. I mean, I know. I've seen people fired for less. And it 2115 02:00:17,370 --> 02:00:20,610 just looks bad. It looks like Well, the other guy from the 2116 02:00:20,610 --> 02:00:24,330 other party got shot, we'll look into it. If we got time. I think 2117 02:00:24,330 --> 02:00:27,090 it's doing something of this gravity happens. You don't just 2118 02:00:27,090 --> 02:00:30,510 dash off a decision, you do a comprehensive process to find 2119 02:00:30,540 --> 02:00:33,780 every single piece of anything that could go wrong. And then 2120 02:00:33,780 --> 02:00:35,340 there's going to be accountability, and there's 2121 02:00:35,340 --> 02:00:37,080 going to be changed. I'm sure of that. Again, I'm not in the 2122 02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:39,210 middle that obviously that's not my lane. But I know that's 2123 02:00:39,210 --> 02:00:39,510 what's going 2124 02:00:39,570 --> 02:00:42,930 Adam Curry: on I lane, that's not my lane. It's not his lane. 2125 02:00:42,930 --> 02:00:45,000 So it's like, well, we know what pizza lane is. 2126 02:00:45,570 --> 02:00:48,540 John C Dvorak: So Whoa, that well, that's what triggered me 2127 02:00:48,540 --> 02:00:49,350 on the other thing. 2128 02:00:50,460 --> 02:00:53,310 Adam Curry: That's that's what happened. So then he gets into 2129 02:00:53,310 --> 02:00:56,460 JD Vance. And I have a few things to say about JD Vance, 2130 02:00:56,460 --> 02:00:58,860 because I've done some reflection and thinking about 2131 02:00:58,860 --> 02:01:02,250 it. And all of a sudden became incredibly clear to me, 2132 02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:07,110 actually, Thursday night when I was watching JD Vance. And and 2133 02:01:07,140 --> 02:01:10,140 you know, and his wife and just seeing all the dynamics 2134 02:01:10,140 --> 02:01:15,180 happening. JD Vance, of course, people have a lot of issues with 2135 02:01:15,180 --> 02:01:20,250 him, mainly because he switched from a never Trumper which Vance 2136 02:01:20,250 --> 02:01:23,670 himself says, Well, that was, you know, I was 30. I said dumb 2137 02:01:23,670 --> 02:01:27,270 things. And I got three girls around 30. And I agree with 2138 02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:31,260 that. When you're 30. I've said dumb stuff when I was 30. But he 2139 02:01:31,260 --> 02:01:34,050 changed his tune. Then of course, there's the very 2140 02:01:34,050 --> 02:01:40,830 problematic connection to the PayPal Mafia to Elon and to 2141 02:01:40,830 --> 02:01:45,540 teal. And he was in the, you know, was a venture capital guy 2142 02:01:45,540 --> 02:01:50,820 and now and teal helped him win Ohio and it went so fast and he 2143 02:01:50,820 --> 02:01:54,030 changed his name. You know, he changed his last name. He 2144 02:01:54,030 --> 02:01:57,690 changed his first name, manufactured candidates. So 2145 02:01:57,690 --> 02:01:59,040 let's hear from Mayor Pete. 2146 02:01:59,070 --> 02:02:02,070 Unknown: I know a lot of guys like JD Vance. I run into a lot 2147 02:02:02,070 --> 02:02:05,040 of guys like him not so much. When I was growing up at Diageo. 2148 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:09,210 Peter Thiel is his big backer. Yeah, for sure. Okay, if people 2149 02:02:09,210 --> 02:02:12,300 aren't who that is, he started PayPal. If he's gay, he's a 2150 02:02:12,300 --> 02:02:15,480 billionaire. I mean, I've had a couple of people who knew you 2151 02:02:15,480 --> 02:02:18,120 were coming on this week's Ask Pete. What do you thinks about 2152 02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:21,780 Peter Thiel being so in love with JD Vance who is against 2153 02:02:21,780 --> 02:02:24,090 flatly against gay marriage? So 2154 02:02:24,510 --> 02:02:26,970 I think it's a profound contradiction, but maybe it's 2155 02:02:26,970 --> 02:02:28,800 not that complicated. I know. There are a lot of folks who say 2156 02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,230 what's going on with some of these Silicon Valley folks 2157 02:02:31,230 --> 02:02:34,920 veering into Trump world with the JD Vance and backing Trump. 2158 02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:37,500 What are they thinking still come Valley's supposed to be you 2159 02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:39,420 know, they're supposed to care about climate they're supposed 2160 02:02:39,420 --> 02:02:42,690 to be, you know, our pro science and rational and libertarians. 2161 02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:45,180 Normally, Libertarians don't like authoritarians. What's up 2162 02:02:45,180 --> 02:02:49,380 with that? I think it's actually we've made it wait. These are 2163 02:02:49,380 --> 02:02:54,870 very rich men who've decided to back the Republican Party that 2164 02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:57,510 tends to do good things for very rich men. 2165 02:03:03,180 --> 02:03:08,040 That's kind of what you're getting is. That's kind of what 2166 02:03:08,040 --> 02:03:12,210 you're getting with Jay do. Right. So I knew a lot of people 2167 02:03:12,210 --> 02:03:14,940 like him. When when I got to Harvard, I found a lot of people 2168 02:03:14,970 --> 02:03:18,930 like him who would say whatever they needed to get ahead. And 2169 02:03:19,110 --> 02:03:22,080 five years ago, that seemed like being the anti Trump 2170 02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:25,110 Republicans. So that's what he was talking about how he was on 2171 02:03:25,110 --> 02:03:29,280 fitted, how he was cynical, called him an OP fighter, which 2172 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:31,260 is kind of a weird thing to say about a person but definitely a 2173 02:03:31,260 --> 02:03:38,850 really good I mean, for somebody whose identity is that they're 2174 02:03:38,850 --> 02:03:41,520 connected to Appalachia, which has an opioid crisis. That 2175 02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:45,360 really is the darkest thing you could possibly say about Donald 2176 02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:45,810 Trump. 2177 02:03:46,230 --> 02:03:48,930 Adam Curry: Okay, so first thing we need to look at is the 2178 02:03:48,930 --> 02:03:53,100 Silicon Valley connection Trump talked about, talked about the 2179 02:03:53,100 --> 02:03:56,070 power needed for AI is like, Yeah, I'll get you as much power 2180 02:03:56,070 --> 02:03:58,530 as you want. Drill, baby drill, by the way, before I forget, 2181 02:03:58,980 --> 02:04:05,250 Trump also told gave a signal to the military industrial complex, 2182 02:04:05,490 --> 02:04:08,700 but you heard him say, big, beautiful ship being built here. 2183 02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:13,590 Big beautiful ship and an Iron Dome around America. Does it get 2184 02:04:13,590 --> 02:04:17,430 any better? The contracts are being written as we speak, so 2185 02:04:17,430 --> 02:04:21,210 there'll be no war, but we'll have finally Reagan Star Wars, 2186 02:04:21,420 --> 02:04:24,510 or as Trump called it spaceship or whatever 2187 02:04:25,260 --> 02:04:26,730 John C Dvorak: he has, he screwed it up. 2188 02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:30,510 Adam Curry: I mean, he set up Space Force. So we're going to 2189 02:04:30,510 --> 02:04:33,180 have an Iron Dome. Perfect. So there's your military guys. 2190 02:04:33,180 --> 02:04:36,090 They're like, Oh, okay, well, good. We got lucky with that a 2191 02:04:36,090 --> 02:04:40,440 lot of work to do. But bringing in the Silicon Valley, money 2192 02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:45,300 people who are as we've discussed horrors, because 2193 02:04:45,300 --> 02:04:48,120 they're Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter whoever is 2194 02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:52,500 going to be their guy who was going to and that's what Peter 2195 02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:55,740 Thiel was doing. He was of course funding JD Vance. Let's 2196 02:04:55,740 --> 02:04:59,970 get him in. You know, then we because you know, he understands 2197 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,270 And he can get the regulation lifted on AI because those guys 2198 02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:07,260 still believe in it. They gotta believe in something. Crypto 2199 02:05:07,260 --> 02:05:11,820 regulation, Bitcoin. All of that makes total sense. And just to 2200 02:05:11,820 --> 02:05:15,660 give you a little idea of I mean, this blew my mind. 2201 02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:20,100 Zuckerberg Zuckerberg even saying things like this, 2202 02:05:20,130 --> 02:05:22,110 Unknown: I've done some stuff personally in the past, I'm not 2203 02:05:22,110 --> 02:05:25,710 planning on doing that this time. And that includes, you 2204 02:05:25,710 --> 02:05:29,400 know, not endorsing either of the candidates. Now, look, I'm 2205 02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:31,110 there's obviously a lot of crazy stuff going on in the world. 2206 02:05:31,110 --> 02:05:33,570 I've been to historic events over the last, like, over the 2207 02:05:33,570 --> 02:05:38,730 weekend. And I mean, a personal note, it's, yeah, I mean, seeing 2208 02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:43,680 Donald Trump get get up after getting shot in the face, and 2209 02:05:43,710 --> 02:05:48,300 pump his fist in the air with the American flag is one of the 2210 02:05:48,300 --> 02:05:52,200 most badass things I've ever seen in my life. But, but look, 2211 02:05:52,230 --> 02:05:56,820 I mean, it's, you know, as I think like, it's some level as 2212 02:05:56,820 --> 02:05:59,940 an American, it's like, look look hard to not get kind of 2213 02:05:59,940 --> 02:06:03,420 emotional about that spirit. And that fight. And I think that 2214 02:06:03,420 --> 02:06:05,670 that's why a lot of people, like the guy, 2215 02:06:06,540 --> 02:06:10,020 Adam Curry: Mark Zuckerberg has no emotional bone in his body. 2216 02:06:10,170 --> 02:06:13,290 He's like, Oh, regulation for Facebook, facebook, you know, 2217 02:06:13,530 --> 02:06:18,120 Trump's gonna hate me because now we kicked them off. And so 2218 02:06:18,150 --> 02:06:22,920 so it's very normal for a guy like Trump to bring in the 2219 02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:26,460 Silicon Valley clan, bring in the money, bring all the big 2220 02:06:26,460 --> 02:06:30,900 boys in, bring in the social media guys, Elon, what flipped 2221 02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:34,740 on a dime said he never endorsed any candidate makes total sense. 2222 02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:39,480 Now we get to, will he be reliable? Can you trust him as a 2223 02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:42,180 vice president? Will he be a true partner five 2224 02:06:42,180 --> 02:06:44,850 Unknown: years later, one way he gets ahead is that he's the 2225 02:06:44,850 --> 02:06:47,940 greatest guy since sliced bread. And actually watch this exact 2226 02:06:47,940 --> 02:06:51,000 same process with somebody else I got to know, in my days in the 2227 02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:54,390 Midwest, which was my former governor, Mike Pence, who I 2228 02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:57,720 watched start out as an evangelical Christian who cared 2229 02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,990 about rectitude and family values, and then get on board 2230 02:07:01,230 --> 02:07:05,670 with a guy who was mixed up with a porn star, make excuses for 2231 02:07:05,670 --> 02:07:08,850 him, so that he could have power. And then he did. He got 2232 02:07:08,850 --> 02:07:12,660 four glorious years, I guess, as vice president United States. 2233 02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:17,220 And it ended on the west front of the Capitol with Trump 2234 02:07:17,220 --> 02:07:21,630 supporters proposing that he be hanged for using the one shred 2235 02:07:21,630 --> 02:07:24,030 of integrity, he still had to stand up to an attempt to 2236 02:07:24,030 --> 02:07:26,790 overthrow the government. So I guess, maybe not as a 2237 02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:29,070 politician, but as a human being. What I'll say is that I 2238 02:07:29,070 --> 02:07:31,440 hope things work out a little bit better for JD Vance. 2239 02:07:35,190 --> 02:07:39,900 Adam Curry: All right. What does everyone get all panties all in 2240 02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:43,830 a bunch about the connection to the intelligence community 2241 02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:50,370 because Peter Thiel Palantir Whitney Webb WOTUS wrote a 6800 2242 02:07:50,370 --> 02:07:56,280 word essay about JD Vance, the man behind Trump's VP, VP pick 2243 02:07:56,280 --> 02:08:01,530 is worse than you think. Intelligence. totally new thing 2244 02:08:01,530 --> 02:08:04,920 for me information awareness. This is the worst thing Trump is 2245 02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:07,980 a dummy. He's an idiot. He's bringing in the intelligence. 2246 02:08:08,010 --> 02:08:12,510 We're gonna be all under surveillance. 24/7 Welcome to my 2247 02:08:12,510 --> 02:08:18,060 office here in the conspiracy therapist. suite of offices. 2248 02:08:19,530 --> 02:08:28,440 Trump is smart. When when pence became untrustworthy, he just 2249 02:08:28,440 --> 02:08:33,420 says guys a loser. When JD Vance is untrustworthy, guys, a loser 2250 02:08:33,420 --> 02:08:37,560 will know very quickly. But first, you're bringing in the 2251 02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:43,740 Silicon Valley billionaires. And he's an art of an art of war 2252 02:08:43,740 --> 02:08:47,010 guy. You keep your friends close, but your enemies even 2253 02:08:47,010 --> 02:08:51,180 closer. Of course, you want the intelligence community in your 2254 02:08:51,180 --> 02:08:54,450 vice president. So you can miss direct, you can give me a little 2255 02:08:54,450 --> 02:08:58,980 bit of information, see where it comes back. This is a brilliant 2256 02:08:58,980 --> 02:09:02,760 move. You want the intel community? You want to know who 2257 02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:06,990 the guy is? I think Vance is probably reasonably smart, but 2258 02:09:06,990 --> 02:09:11,970 maybe not super smart. This is exactly what you want to do. 2259 02:09:12,090 --> 02:09:16,830 Because the intelligence community is the danger. So this 2260 02:09:16,860 --> 02:09:21,900 I mean, I cannot agree with all of these. These people getting 2261 02:09:21,900 --> 02:09:24,930 their panties in a bunch and getting all spun up. This is 2262 02:09:24,930 --> 02:09:27,780 what you want. You want a president who knows what the 2263 02:09:27,780 --> 02:09:30,900 Intel communities are doing? Because he's got them in the 2264 02:09:30,930 --> 02:09:35,700 office next door. And he knows the guy. This is what you do. 2265 02:09:35,730 --> 02:09:38,700 You want to find a leak in your company. Give some information 2266 02:09:38,700 --> 02:09:41,400 to somebody that only that person has. See where it comes 2267 02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:45,120 out. I'm closing the door. 2268 02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,740 John C Dvorak: Does sound effect Yes. 2269 02:09:49,770 --> 02:09:53,580 Adam Curry: So don't worry everybody. Now, will trump stay 2270 02:09:53,580 --> 02:09:57,900 alive? I mean, I heard this morning. There was what's his 2271 02:09:57,900 --> 02:10:02,910 face Sorkin Sorkin who wrote the West Wing didn't eat and Sorkin 2272 02:10:02,910 --> 02:10:05,280 write the West Wing and was one of the one of the West Wing 2273 02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:07,440 producers. Andrew Ross Sorkin. 2274 02:10:07,860 --> 02:10:10,710 John C Dvorak: I don't think so. I thought he was I think you're 2275 02:10:10,710 --> 02:10:14,700 thinking of the other guy who is the well, we'll just keep 2276 02:10:14,700 --> 02:10:17,040 talking about check it out. Okay. Yeah. You know, we don't 2277 02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:18,930 have to guess. Yes, please. 2278 02:10:24,120 --> 02:10:31,440 Adam Curry: So he's, he does an op ed in in the Aaron 2279 02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:32,280 John C Dvorak: Sorkin 2280 02:10:32,940 --> 02:10:35,820 Adam Curry: Oh, okay. That's why I was confused. Well, Andrew 2281 02:10:35,820 --> 02:10:39,660 Ross Sorkin isn't is a weenie anyway. He does an op ed in the 2282 02:10:39,660 --> 02:10:44,490 New York Times and he says, Joe Biden out the solution. Mitt 2283 02:10:44,490 --> 02:10:50,520 Romney, the Democrats should run Mitt Romney which I think is 2284 02:10:50,610 --> 02:10:55,110 probably what Vivek was been talking about. Oh, no. Oh, no. 2285 02:10:55,110 --> 02:10:57,540 The Who are they? You watch you they're gonna pick you watch and 2286 02:10:57,540 --> 02:11:01,470 we'll never be Trump to hate so they actually suggest Mitt 2287 02:11:01,470 --> 02:11:03,450 Romney for the Democrats. How about that? 2288 02:11:04,350 --> 02:11:06,750 John C Dvorak: That's very funny. If it was a humor column 2289 02:11:06,750 --> 02:11:07,890 I take it down 2290 02:11:07,890 --> 02:11:11,130 Adam Curry: on unfortunately these guys are void of any humor 2291 02:11:12,990 --> 02:11:16,230 so I think that's about all we all we can answer right and 2292 02:11:16,230 --> 02:11:19,470 wrong. That's about all we can answer right now. Because 2293 02:11:19,530 --> 02:11:22,530 breaking news, nobody knows anything. We have no information 2294 02:11:22,770 --> 02:11:23,220 there bill. We're 2295 02:11:23,220 --> 02:11:25,200 John C Dvorak: not gonna get any more than we're doing our 2296 02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:26,970 analysis as far as it goes. 2297 02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:28,380 Adam Curry: And with that, I'd like to thank you for your 2298 02:11:28,380 --> 02:11:30,660 courage say in the morning to you the man who put the C in the 2299 02:11:30,660 --> 02:11:33,360 can inspectors say hello to my friend on the other end, the one 2300 02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,130 and only Mr. John. 2301 02:11:39,090 --> 02:11:40,650 John C Dvorak: Good morning to you, Michelle and Kareem is 2302 02:11:41,370 --> 02:11:43,980 watching graphene near subs in the water. And all the names of 2303 02:11:43,980 --> 02:11:44,580 knights out there. 2304 02:11:45,180 --> 02:11:52,830 Adam Curry: Well, we are an hour late. Wow, I'm pretty impressed. 2305 02:11:52,830 --> 02:11:57,870 Actually. 20 899 Two hours in. 2306 02:11:58,830 --> 02:11:59,340 Unknown: That's good. 2307 02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,710 Adam Curry: That's good. That's a great number. Hello, trolls. 2308 02:12:01,710 --> 02:12:05,040 Good to have you here. Of course, we had 1000 come in to 2309 02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:11,070 tell us that Biden quit. So we appreciate you guys so much that 2310 02:12:11,070 --> 02:12:11,490 matches 2311 02:12:11,490 --> 02:12:13,290 John C Dvorak: the price equipment he did. I thought it's 2312 02:12:13,290 --> 02:12:15,090 gonna go another week at least. Well, I mean, 2313 02:12:15,090 --> 02:12:17,940 Adam Curry: I had Thursday night, you know, so I was that 2314 02:12:17,940 --> 02:12:21,630 was I was. I was close. Well, we had we had a different 2315 02:12:21,630 --> 02:12:24,330 distraction, because it was but no cigar. They didn't get the 2316 02:12:24,330 --> 02:12:27,630 jet card. So they had to come up. Which brings us to the bonus 2317 02:12:27,630 --> 02:12:31,410 clip. Oh, look at that. Is that something that you sent that I 2318 02:12:31,410 --> 02:12:32,670 don't have? No, 2319 02:12:32,670 --> 02:12:34,830 John C Dvorak: I have it right here. No, it's on the list by 2320 02:12:34,830 --> 02:12:38,190 his bonus for the we always like to say that people are nations. 2321 02:12:38,190 --> 02:12:38,730 Yes. 2322 02:12:38,730 --> 02:12:41,820 Adam Curry: But for the for the bonus clip? Yes. Okay. 2323 02:12:41,850 --> 02:12:44,010 John C Dvorak: Blyden not going anywhere. 2324 02:12:45,390 --> 02:12:48,330 Unknown: President Joe Biden's campaign meanwhile, continues to 2325 02:12:48,330 --> 02:12:51,210 insist this weekend that Biden will not step down as the 2326 02:12:51,210 --> 02:12:54,330 Democratic presidential candidate calls for Biden to 2327 02:12:54,330 --> 02:12:57,030 drop out of the race have continued to grow with the 2328 02:12:57,030 --> 02:13:00,240 latest coming from a senator from the Midwest. NPRs Elena 2329 02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:01,320 more explains, 2330 02:13:01,350 --> 02:13:05,490 we saw Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio come forward. And he's in a 2331 02:13:05,490 --> 02:13:09,480 really competitive race this fall. And he argues that the 2332 02:13:09,480 --> 02:13:12,480 speculation around Biden's political future is actually 2333 02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:16,080 taking away from the messaging around issues that he is trying 2334 02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:18,990 to use to keep his seat you know, and you know, he was 2335 02:13:18,990 --> 02:13:22,350 actually the fourth senator to call for Biden to step aside and 2336 02:13:22,500 --> 02:13:25,680 there's been more than two dozen elected House Democrats who have 2337 02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:26,910 said the same thing 2338 02:13:29,310 --> 02:13:32,220 John C Dvorak: this weekend he's not quitting no not quit just so 2339 02:13:32,220 --> 02:13:35,280 you get that out. Yeah. All right. So there's these reports 2340 02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:37,710 are bogus I guess because today is part of the weekend 2341 02:13:37,740 --> 02:13:39,900 Adam Curry: now and we've been calling we've been telling this 2342 02:13:39,900 --> 02:13:43,260 is gonna happen. We were so clear. It was obvious that it 2343 02:13:43,260 --> 02:13:46,500 only happened two days later. Not bad. Not bad. 2344 02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:49,770 Unknown: So three, actually. 2345 02:13:50,850 --> 02:13:54,450 Adam Curry: Okay, three, still pretty close. We had the number 2346 02:13:54,450 --> 02:13:57,300 right and you watch the jet card will be a part of it. Along with 2347 02:13:57,300 --> 02:14:01,530 the foundation. Excuse me, along with the foundation 100 million 2348 02:14:01,530 --> 02:14:07,650 dollars. It's gonna be some money. Yeah, seed money. Party, 2349 02:14:07,740 --> 02:14:11,550 everybody party at Hunter's house. So those trolls that we 2350 02:14:11,550 --> 02:14:14,490 just counted are in the troll room troll room.io You can find 2351 02:14:14,490 --> 02:14:17,430 that 24/7 There's always trolls hanging out there. It's part of 2352 02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:20,790 the no agenda stream empire. We have shows on there all the 2353 02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:25,230 time. As I said 24/7 Some of them are the podcast had been 2354 02:14:25,230 --> 02:14:28,950 recorded previously or we do have a schedule so us or bemrose 2355 02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:31,470 schedules everything nicely. So you whenever you go in there, 2356 02:14:31,470 --> 02:14:33,690 there's something fresh a lot of live shows. Darren O'Neil does 2357 02:14:33,690 --> 02:14:37,110 his live show before our Thursday and Sunday shows and 2358 02:14:37,170 --> 02:14:39,600 and often there's a live show afterwards. Let me see. Do we 2359 02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:46,350 have a live show after today? Oh, yes. Yeah. Unrelenting. I 2360 02:14:46,350 --> 02:14:47,880 don't know if that's live or not, but they're doing the 2361 02:14:47,940 --> 02:14:53,220 CrowdStrike chaos so it's a good place to hang out. And you can 2362 02:14:53,220 --> 02:14:57,090 also use a modern podcast app, which will alert you when we go 2363 02:14:57,090 --> 02:14:59,370 live or any of these shows go live really which is kind of 2364 02:14:59,370 --> 02:15:02,310 cool. And it also tells you within 90 seconds of us 2365 02:15:02,310 --> 02:15:04,260 publishing your show if you couldn't listen live that it's 2366 02:15:04,260 --> 02:15:07,380 there. It's got chapters with cool art. Dred Scott does those 2367 02:15:07,380 --> 02:15:10,080 for us. It's got transcripts. It's got a Hootenanny of 2368 02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:13,950 features and it's brought to you by independent people who are 2369 02:15:13,950 --> 02:15:17,640 doing this just to keep podcasting free and open. I 2370 02:15:18,150 --> 02:15:25,800 there was a an interesting article about podcast numbers in 2371 02:15:25,800 --> 02:15:28,740 the United Kingdom, because, you know, they had this big 2372 02:15:29,010 --> 02:15:32,580 political week in the UK, you're not allowed to do any political 2373 02:15:32,580 --> 02:15:37,410 stuff on television or radio. So everyone was looking to podcasts 2374 02:15:38,010 --> 02:15:42,030 to to get their political information. And so now they 2375 02:15:42,030 --> 02:15:46,380 have gotten the this is UK is a country of 60 60 million, 2376 02:15:46,380 --> 02:15:50,850 probably 65 million now with all the illegal people. podcasters 2377 02:15:50,850 --> 02:15:53,490 are very secretive about exact listener numbers, but they did 2378 02:15:53,490 --> 02:15:59,910 get a few. And for instance, what do you think the news 2379 02:15:59,910 --> 02:16:05,280 agents the hottest podcast, the hottest podcast out there? What 2380 02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:11,310 do you think they get in the UK? Average episode view per 2381 02:16:11,310 --> 02:16:12,060 episode? 2382 02:16:13,110 --> 02:16:15,930 John C Dvorak: This is a question for me to guess. Yeah. 2383 02:16:16,440 --> 02:16:17,010 Adam Curry: Listen, not 2384 02:16:17,010 --> 02:16:18,420 John C Dvorak: a view or less 2000. 2385 02:16:21,330 --> 02:16:24,720 Adam Curry: It's the hottest the podcasts out there are the 2386 02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:28,800 hottest one. It's the hottest one the news at 2500. Now it's 2387 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:30,420 it's 42,000. 2388 02:16:31,050 --> 02:16:31,860 Unknown: Wells. 2389 02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:35,730 Adam Curry: We better we get multiple times that? 2390 02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:39,900 John C Dvorak: Yeah, we get more long lines of 800,000. How about 2391 02:16:39,930 --> 02:16:43,530 Adam Curry: pod save the UK? Which is the The Daily Show for 2392 02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:48,450 pod save pod save America. So it's the crooked media. It's the 2393 02:16:49,020 --> 02:16:55,020 valued, yeah. 30,000 An episode. And these people are making big 2394 02:16:55,020 --> 02:16:56,250 money. Well, 2395 02:16:56,250 --> 02:16:58,110 John C Dvorak: that's because they had they take advertising 2396 02:16:58,110 --> 02:17:01,530 and they send they soak the advertisers. It takes skill. But 2397 02:17:01,530 --> 02:17:04,230 the problem is, of course, you can't really do a reasonably 2398 02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:09,210 good podcast if you're going to be beholding to some corporate 2399 02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:11,370 advertiser that's going to want you to say, 2400 02:17:11,880 --> 02:17:15,960 Adam Curry: actually, I copied You are my response. You know, 2401 02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:18,570 they're so desperate they're looking for inventory because 2402 02:17:18,780 --> 02:17:22,260 turns out most of these podcasts are just getting crap numbers. 2403 02:17:22,740 --> 02:17:27,090 Buddha mud pudsey of the UK, no one's listening to you douche. 2404 02:17:27,660 --> 02:17:30,390 No agenda, best podcast in the universe. So they're so 2405 02:17:30,390 --> 02:17:34,620 desperate for inventory. They're emailing us, hey, we'd like to 2406 02:17:34,620 --> 02:17:38,850 know what what it would cost to run the NetSuite ads are no 2407 02:17:38,850 --> 02:17:42,900 agenda. Have you ever listened? This 2408 02:17:42,899 --> 02:17:45,359 John C Dvorak: is well, you know, this reminds me. I want to 2409 02:17:45,359 --> 02:17:50,609 tell another story. Oh, come on. Okay, so I'm on the Highlander, 2410 02:17:50,609 --> 02:17:54,179 which is the Forbes yacht. Forbes magazine. 2411 02:17:56,430 --> 02:17:59,880 Adam Curry: drinking champagne eating caviar with potato chips. 2412 02:18:00,450 --> 02:18:01,410 Pretty much. Yeah. 2413 02:18:02,459 --> 02:18:04,829 John C Dvorak: They have a full time chef on board a really nice 2414 02:18:04,829 --> 02:18:05,189 yacht. 2415 02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:06,330 Unknown: Highlander. Let 2416 02:18:06,330 --> 02:18:08,790 John C Dvorak: me I gotta call the Highlander. Yeah. They have 2417 02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:13,830 matchbooks everyone's Gauchos. Yeah. So it was a big deal to go 2418 02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:16,980 on this thing because if they don't normally writers on but I 2419 02:18:16,980 --> 02:18:18,480 was on the thing for and it was 2420 02:18:19,140 --> 02:18:22,770 Adam Curry: buyers. This thing is amazing. The Highlander. 2421 02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:27,060 Yeah. Nice boat. Yeah, it's not a boat. It's a ship. 2422 02:18:27,479 --> 02:18:31,409 John C Dvorak: So they gave us a tour around Manhattan. While it 2423 02:18:31,409 --> 02:18:35,459 was really a tour for the media buyers. Yeah, of course. Thanks. 2424 02:18:35,459 --> 02:18:38,669 So this one. And then people will always irked about this and 2425 02:18:38,729 --> 02:18:42,869 there's a lot of stores that bought this boat, confronting 2426 02:18:42,899 --> 02:18:46,139 other small boats and other publishers tried to you know, 2427 02:18:46,139 --> 02:18:51,899 impress people with gone by red, gone by giving them the finger. 2428 02:18:52,499 --> 02:18:57,359 So, so I got to talk to a bunch of they're all young women just 2429 02:18:57,359 --> 02:19:01,109 out of school. And they're all media buyers. And so there's 2430 02:19:01,109 --> 02:19:04,409 it's mostly a boat full of women that are all media buyers. Hey, 2431 02:19:04,409 --> 02:19:08,819 girls, there's Jaws pretty much and so you get to chat with 2432 02:19:08,819 --> 02:19:11,129 them. And it's like, oh, yeah, we bought this we're gonna be 2433 02:19:11,129 --> 02:19:14,159 good to buy do a buy purchase for so and so they're all part 2434 02:19:14,159 --> 02:19:18,359 of some advertising agency. And they're they they buy space in 2435 02:19:18,359 --> 02:19:20,969 the different magazines and they were you know, forced takes them 2436 02:19:20,969 --> 02:19:23,219 on this little boat, right? So that impresses them and they 2437 02:19:23,219 --> 02:19:28,079 feel obliged to buy to push advertising to Forbes at the 2438 02:19:28,079 --> 02:19:34,409 time. And they not one of the media buyers I've ever talked 2439 02:19:34,409 --> 02:19:38,849 to, at least on this particular voyage. knew they'd never looked 2440 02:19:38,849 --> 02:19:43,349 at any of these magazines. They were totally no no. You know, 2441 02:19:43,409 --> 02:19:46,349 we're just here to get a free boat ride. I'm giving you 2442 02:19:46,349 --> 02:19:48,479 advertising it was all corrupt. 2443 02:19:50,100 --> 02:19:51,570 Adam Curry: What your 2444 02:19:52,530 --> 02:19:54,450 John C Dvorak: gambling going on? Yeah, don't 2445 02:19:54,450 --> 02:19:57,450 Adam Curry: say Yeah. Yeah. It's not like any of these media 2446 02:19:57,450 --> 02:19:59,460 buyers. Listen to the podcast. They're buying 2447 02:19:59,910 --> 02:20:02,430 John C Dvorak: it No. And that's the point you were making. Yeah. 2448 02:20:02,700 --> 02:20:03,810 You saw my reply 2449 02:20:03,810 --> 02:20:07,440 Adam Curry: said 17 years we've been listener funded. We don't 2450 02:20:07,440 --> 02:20:10,800 take advertising. I mentioned this exact thing on your boss's 2451 02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:13,470 podcast just three weeks ago. Yeah, 2452 02:20:13,500 --> 02:20:14,940 John C Dvorak: they don't even listen to their own bosses. 2453 02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:18,480 Unknown: I thought I thought that was funny. 2454 02:20:20,700 --> 02:20:24,480 Adam Curry: Ah, yes. Hey, girls, I got a podcast. 2455 02:20:26,010 --> 02:20:26,970 Unknown: Where's your bikini? 2456 02:20:28,620 --> 02:20:30,870 Adam Curry: Did they have bikinis on? No, there? 2457 02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:33,840 John C Dvorak: Were just there were just a classic CO is just 2458 02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:38,730 out of school COVID style sorority sisters old drink 2459 02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:42,390 eating the filet mignon and drinking the booze. That was 2460 02:20:42,390 --> 02:20:43,380 lots of it. 2461 02:20:44,100 --> 02:20:45,810 Adam Curry: Awesome. We're in the wrong business. 2462 02:20:46,470 --> 02:20:48,510 John C Dvorak: Yeah, probably. 2463 02:20:50,220 --> 02:20:52,860 Adam Curry: So as you just heard, we run this value for 2464 02:20:52,860 --> 02:20:57,270 value, which means we don't take your NetSuite advertising. And 2465 02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:59,760 though and we've got a bigger audience anyway, so stand on the 2466 02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:03,990 sidelines and Boo hoo, bully you. You can't buy us we're 2467 02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:08,970 unviable. Well, until it's time for an exit, but for now we're 2468 02:21:08,970 --> 02:21:12,150 unviable. Yeah, well, there's everyone has a price 2469 02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:18,060 John C Dvorak: said no one's getting close. So no one's 2470 02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:20,880 Adam Curry: coming close. You can support us with your 2471 02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:24,120 financial contributions that no boat ride here by the way, 2472 02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:26,730 you'll get a credit if you're an executive or Associate Executive 2473 02:21:26,730 --> 02:21:30,360 Producer. But you can also help us with your time your talent 2474 02:21:30,360 --> 02:21:33,720 you can support us by getting other people to listen you know 2475 02:21:33,720 --> 02:21:40,860 it's always every single day I see on on my timeline on x I see 2476 02:21:40,860 --> 02:21:43,440 people Oh yeah, you should listen to no agenda, Corinne 2477 02:21:43,440 --> 02:21:47,610 Dvorak. My favorite is when someone from some podcast goes 2478 02:21:47,610 --> 02:21:51,360 Who should I have on as a guest next? And it's always yeah Adam 2479 02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:54,150 curry Jhansi Dvorak and that we've never been booked on those 2480 02:21:54,150 --> 02:21:56,820 so you can stop we never do get it never that nice 2481 02:21:56,820 --> 02:21:59,640 John C Dvorak: CSS competition or something I'm not sure and 2482 02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:02,670 we're not but he gets a log rolling well, 2483 02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:04,860 Adam Curry: they know that they'll never get us together 2484 02:22:04,860 --> 02:22:08,580 because you only get we he would you both do that show? Nope. No, 2485 02:22:08,580 --> 02:22:11,340 no, if you want Adam and John together you this is the only 2486 02:22:11,340 --> 02:22:17,670 place and that's our secret sauce. We get a lot of talent 2487 02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:22,260 from our artists who use no agenda, our generator.com 2488 02:22:22,260 --> 02:22:25,110 Another fine value for value contribution for cerebral 2489 02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:28,830 couture, which has been running for a long time for us keeps all 2490 02:22:28,830 --> 02:22:31,920 the art in check. It's a great place to upload anybody can 2491 02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:34,800 compete anybody can go take a look at it. Right after the show 2492 02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,440 we we get the you know everything together we do the 2493 02:22:37,440 --> 02:22:43,620 credits, we get the title and then artwork and then we choose 2494 02:22:43,620 --> 02:22:46,770 one and that's really something we use for marketing the show 2495 02:22:46,770 --> 02:22:50,280 and it's a big help. It's a lot of value to us. There's no way 2496 02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:52,920 you could get you know artists to do 2030 pieces for every 2497 02:22:52,920 --> 02:22:55,560 single show done while we're doing the show live now it 2498 02:22:55,560 --> 02:22:58,050 doesn't mean that everything is great AI has certainly hurt the 2499 02:22:58,050 --> 02:23:00,060 quality of the of the work everything kind of looks the 2500 02:23:00,060 --> 02:23:00,510 same. 2501 02:23:02,130 --> 02:23:05,160 John C Dvorak: But it's hurt the I don't think it's hurt the 2502 02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:06,000 quality. 2503 02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:08,460 Adam Curry: Well it's hurt the look it's the it's I think it's 2504 02:23:08,460 --> 02:23:08,730 hurt. 2505 02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:12,030 John C Dvorak: I think the look is a Korean TV I ish Yeah, the 2506 02:23:12,030 --> 02:23:15,660 Adam Curry: soul is gone out. Which is kind of what I liked 2507 02:23:15,690 --> 02:23:20,280 about Dame Kenny Ben, one of our Dutch masters, who and we had a 2508 02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:23,490 big argument over this. In fact, John's like you owe me with this 2509 02:23:23,490 --> 02:23:24,390 one you owe me. 2510 02:23:25,140 --> 02:23:27,600 John C Dvorak: I thought it was two in a row. You owe me twice. 2511 02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:28,440 You owe me double. 2512 02:23:28,890 --> 02:23:31,740 Adam Curry: I thought it was an excellent piece. I understood 2513 02:23:31,740 --> 02:23:37,830 the humor of it. It was the sloped rope roof with a little 2514 02:23:37,830 --> 02:23:41,310 was it was it little traffic sign with a little man slipping 2515 02:23:41,310 --> 02:23:44,760 on the slope roof. And the reason why John didn't like it 2516 02:23:45,930 --> 02:23:49,110 is because and this is very interesting because there's a 2517 02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:54,270 chimney on it. But you kept saying chimney chimney. Is it 2518 02:23:54,270 --> 02:23:55,710 chimney or chimney? 2519 02:23:56,280 --> 02:23:57,360 John C Dvorak: Most probably both. 2520 02:23:57,420 --> 02:23:59,400 Adam Curry: I think it's just chimney. Well, 2521 02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:01,560 John C Dvorak: chimney. You kept saying chimney. Yeah, there's 2522 02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:02,970 I'm adding an eye. Yeah. 2523 02:24:04,770 --> 02:24:06,030 Adam Curry: Chimney chimney, some 2524 02:24:06,030 --> 02:24:07,950 John C Dvorak: Midwestern affectation. 2525 02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:11,040 Adam Curry: He kept saying chimney was a chimney chimney. 2526 02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:11,160 He's 2527 02:24:11,160 --> 02:24:11,970 John C Dvorak: got a chimney. 2528 02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:14,400 Adam Curry: Not a chimney is that chimney? Damn Kenny Ben 2529 02:24:14,400 --> 02:24:16,680 brought us that artwork. We really appreciate it. Stolen 2530 02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:20,970 cookies, the title of episode 1678. We had a hard time we had 2531 02:24:20,970 --> 02:24:23,850 a hard to be honest with you. We had a hard time finding anything 2532 02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:28,530 that we thought was. Now we did talk a lot about Darren O'Neal. 2533 02:24:28,650 --> 02:24:32,940 you'd liked his his Olympic boxes with the bed on it. 2534 02:24:32,970 --> 02:24:34,650 John C Dvorak: I thought it was outstanding. I 2535 02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:36,810 Adam Curry: thought it was too early because the Olympics 2536 02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:39,690 aren't happening yet. And it's a little absurd. We were talking 2537 02:24:39,690 --> 02:24:42,570 about the cardboard box where I didn't know the Rubik's cube by 2538 02:24:42,570 --> 02:24:45,300 Darren and all AI Of course, all AI 2539 02:24:45,300 --> 02:24:48,090 John C Dvorak: which Yeah, he's gone nuts he's gotten into he's 2540 02:24:48,090 --> 02:24:53,100 become a pump jockey. Yeah. But that's not the real controversy. 2541 02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:56,040 The controversy and I'm very irked about this as Matthew 2542 02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:56,700 dropped co 2543 02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:59,220 Adam Curry: Oh yes, because that's the first one we wanted. 2544 02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:00,510 Yeah. 2545 02:25:01,290 --> 02:25:03,540 John C Dvorak: And we took a look at it and you said, explain 2546 02:25:03,540 --> 02:25:06,870 what it is explain what it is. Okay, it's a picture of three 2547 02:25:06,870 --> 02:25:10,290 versions of Spider Man. We've all pointing at each other in 2548 02:25:10,290 --> 02:25:14,670 the meme. And one says local police departments Secret 2549 02:25:14,670 --> 02:25:16,590 Service have been they're all pointing at each other. So it's 2550 02:25:16,590 --> 02:25:23,490 their fault. And so you said, and we've stopped doing this, we 2551 02:25:23,490 --> 02:25:27,570 used to always almost routinely check on image search. Yeah, I 2552 02:25:27,570 --> 02:25:30,780 said, this is this has got to be something. And there's about 2553 02:25:30,780 --> 02:25:34,590 1000 versions of this all the exact same drawing. He just 2554 02:25:34,590 --> 02:25:38,880 stole it. I mean, it's so stolen is ridiculous. So now I can't 2555 02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:40,770 trust anything dropped code gives us 2556 02:25:41,940 --> 02:25:44,790 Adam Curry: well, to be fair, I mean, this is this meme has been 2557 02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:48,330 used so much in the past, but you saw it with local PD, Secret 2558 02:25:48,330 --> 02:25:52,500 Service, FBI, those three tags, or not? 2559 02:25:52,530 --> 02:25:55,020 John C Dvorak: No, I just said the art. It was just different 2560 02:25:55,020 --> 02:25:58,470 versions of the same thing. It's beside the point. Yeah, it 2561 02:25:58,470 --> 02:26:01,560 wasn't exactly the same. And now, obviously, nothing said no 2562 02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:04,830 agenda. It's just that it's just like, there was nothing 2563 02:26:05,370 --> 02:26:10,470 original. I mean, yeah, you could know. Now as far as I'm 2564 02:26:10,470 --> 02:26:11,580 concerned, it was it allowed 2565 02:26:11,610 --> 02:26:13,350 Adam Curry: me man was abandoners. Not 2566 02:26:13,380 --> 02:26:15,270 John C Dvorak: it's not what there was one or two of them. 2567 02:26:15,480 --> 02:26:17,760 We're talking 2030 4050 2568 02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:20,370 Adam Curry: has been around. This has been around, it's been 2569 02:26:20,370 --> 02:26:21,660 around, we're gonna get 2570 02:26:21,660 --> 02:26:25,140 John C Dvorak: called out by comic strip blogger 2571 02:26:26,010 --> 02:26:28,410 Adam Curry: that has stolen an Aardvark that is not original. 2572 02:26:28,530 --> 02:26:34,290 That is bad meme. College logger is about to never get you when 2573 02:26:34,290 --> 02:26:39,090 you upload 15 versions of your API, you know, all next to each 2574 02:26:39,090 --> 02:26:41,490 other. It's like my eyes glaze over. How 2575 02:26:41,490 --> 02:26:44,730 John C Dvorak: about this for an idea? Find? Only upload the good 2576 02:26:44,730 --> 02:26:45,510 one. Yeah, 2577 02:26:45,540 --> 02:26:49,620 Adam Curry: well, there you go. It's still you got to have soul. 2578 02:26:49,620 --> 02:26:53,220 It's got to have humor. Now just because it looks, you know, 2579 02:26:53,220 --> 02:26:59,640 slick, doesn't mean that it's good. Anyway, rant over. We 2580 02:26:59,640 --> 02:27:02,040 appreciate the true Dutch masters rant. 2581 02:27:02,340 --> 02:27:04,890 John C Dvorak: Yes. The true Dutch Master said there's 2582 02:27:04,890 --> 02:27:08,910 nothing we're going to be able to do about it. We're resigned 2583 02:27:08,940 --> 02:27:15,180 to resigned to the fact that this AI RT. Yeah. I mean, the 2584 02:27:15,180 --> 02:27:19,140 good side is that this costing the AI companies money, because 2585 02:27:19,140 --> 02:27:22,800 there's no way that you can produce that much material and 2586 02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:24,060 not be losing your ass. 2587 02:27:24,090 --> 02:27:27,090 Adam Curry: So one of our producers, I typically don't 2588 02:27:27,090 --> 02:27:31,470 like this because people do this to me, like, Hey, I sent every 2589 02:27:31,470 --> 02:27:36,000 back issue of QR Z Magazine to your Pio box is great, all that 2590 02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:41,070 ham radio information. So a box will show up with like 150 dusty 2591 02:27:41,070 --> 02:27:45,210 old magazines. And it's like, okay, I'm not divorced. I'm not 2592 02:27:45,210 --> 02:27:50,340 an archivist. But one of our producers sent me every single 2593 02:27:50,820 --> 02:27:55,650 back issue of Wired magazine that had some AI related story. 2594 02:27:56,370 --> 02:28:01,680 Pretty interesting. This nonsense this belief in you 2595 02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:07,080 know, in artificial intelligence has been going on for a long 2596 02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:12,810 time. And just because we got a bot that now can chat with you, 2597 02:28:12,930 --> 02:28:16,830 it's stupid. So you always had a bot that could share with you 2598 02:28:16,830 --> 02:28:20,610 exactly. All this image stuff. It's all gonna go away once the 2599 02:28:20,610 --> 02:28:22,380 funding dries up. Well, 2600 02:28:22,380 --> 02:28:25,950 John C Dvorak: one yet, if you're taking a beating, which 2601 02:28:25,950 --> 02:28:27,450 you have to be doing, yeah, 2602 02:28:28,620 --> 02:28:30,960 Adam Curry: at some point, but I'd have to spend 20 bucks a 2603 02:28:30,960 --> 02:28:31,650 month they got 2604 02:28:31,890 --> 02:28:34,230 John C Dvorak: 20 bucks that would Darren Oh Neil's using 2605 02:28:34,260 --> 02:28:38,130 1000s of dollars worth of cycle time to develop computer art 2606 02:28:38,130 --> 02:28:41,130 he's doing I don't know what comic strip bloggers it's called 2607 02:28:41,130 --> 02:28:42,540 Adam Curry: his pewter compute. 2608 02:28:44,700 --> 02:28:48,540 John C Dvorak: He commonage By the way, heard a new term. So 2609 02:28:48,540 --> 02:28:51,990 it's so JC is at the dinner table. And he keeps saying out 2610 02:28:51,990 --> 02:28:54,840 of the blue. He keeps saying this term. And I called him I 2611 02:28:54,840 --> 02:28:56,970 stopped him. I asked him, Where are you? What venture 2612 02:28:56,970 --> 02:28:59,460 capitalist? Did you get this room? And what I kept hearing 2613 02:28:59,460 --> 02:29:03,120 was, oh, yeah, well, the wind direction, the wind direction. I 2614 02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:06,750 kept hearing wind directions that like the term is the term 2615 02:29:06,750 --> 02:29:13,290 is when wind direction is a term they're using in Silicon Valley 2616 02:29:13,290 --> 02:29:14,550 now amongst the VCs. 2617 02:29:14,610 --> 02:29:17,130 Adam Curry: I mean, the direction of winning. Yeah. 2618 02:29:17,970 --> 02:29:21,960 John C Dvorak: The win direction. Wow. And I'm 2619 02:29:21,960 --> 02:29:24,540 listening to this. I'm saying because it's out of the blue. I 2620 02:29:24,540 --> 02:29:28,230 mean, he doesn't just start using some term out of the blue. 2621 02:29:28,830 --> 02:29:33,120 And I stopped, I said, Where did you get this, this stupid term 2622 02:29:33,150 --> 02:29:37,800 wind direction? And in a sudden he thought about he didn't say 2623 02:29:37,800 --> 02:29:39,270 it again. Wind 2624 02:29:39,300 --> 02:29:41,130 Adam Curry: erection? No, he's 2625 02:29:41,130 --> 02:29:44,190 John C Dvorak: saying when direction and I could just see 2626 02:29:44,190 --> 02:29:47,760 it as a kind of one of those bogus terms here. These guys 2627 02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:50,280 like to throw out there. Well, our wind direction will be 2628 02:29:51,480 --> 02:29:53,970 Adam Curry: Wow, that's even lamer than usual. 2629 02:29:54,990 --> 02:29:57,360 John C Dvorak: It's pretty blamed, but at the same time, I 2630 02:29:57,360 --> 02:30:01,950 can see it because it's just has a ring to it. I don't know who 2631 02:30:01,950 --> 02:30:06,450 dreams these, these these isolates up. But wind direction 2632 02:30:06,450 --> 02:30:09,750 is just like, Oh, we're gonna do Yeah, we're going to change our 2633 02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:14,670 wind direction because when our wind wind direction is stronger 2634 02:30:14,850 --> 02:30:18,270 than it used to be, you could use it in place of pivot, which 2635 02:30:18,270 --> 02:30:19,140 is another way a 2636 02:30:19,140 --> 02:30:24,390 Adam Curry: pivot was a big one. Yeah. Mm hmm. For a while there 2637 02:30:24,420 --> 02:30:28,560 in the advertising world, we had the conceit. What's the conceit 2638 02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:32,910 of the campaign? The conceit? Yes. The conceit of the 2639 02:30:32,910 --> 02:30:38,070 campaign. Oh, my God. I know. I know. They know. It's horrible. 2640 02:30:38,430 --> 02:30:42,210 Anyway, Treasurer time, we'd like to thank all of our 2641 02:30:42,210 --> 02:30:44,850 producers now we can't thank every single one of you. Because 2642 02:30:44,850 --> 02:30:47,670 we luckily, we have many people who are doing sustaining 2643 02:30:47,670 --> 02:30:51,180 donations. If everybody did that, we it'd be great. But 2644 02:30:51,180 --> 02:30:54,000 that's a pipe dream. It's not, that's not our wind direction. 2645 02:30:55,830 --> 02:31:00,390 On under $50, there already, I'm gonna keep using it. Under $50. 2646 02:31:00,480 --> 02:31:05,280 We don't mention anything for an anonymity and you can set up 2647 02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:08,670 your own frequency, your own amount, whatever value you get 2648 02:31:08,670 --> 02:31:12,000 out of the program, and I think we're, we've been people emails, 2649 02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:17,880 Hey, your wind direction is great these days. So we want to 2650 02:31:17,880 --> 02:31:20,730 thank those producers. We will we're gonna go through 2651 02:31:20,730 --> 02:31:24,390 everything in one go here because we went very long on in 2652 02:31:24,390 --> 02:31:28,980 the conspiracy therapy office. But our executive producers who 2653 02:31:28,980 --> 02:31:32,040 really always saved the day for us, and many of you saw the sad 2654 02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:37,110 Poppy come out and we thank you for that. We did okay. $200 and 2655 02:31:37,110 --> 02:31:39,180 above, you get an Associate Executive producer credit, it's 2656 02:31:39,180 --> 02:31:42,180 a real credit all these count towards your knighthood, even $1 2657 02:31:42,210 --> 02:31:45,420 a month if you want, I mean, everything will get you to 2658 02:31:45,420 --> 02:31:48,570 $1,000 Eventually, and then you get a knighthood or a dame hood 2659 02:31:48,570 --> 02:31:53,160 and a ring and your ceiling wax and the official certificate of 2660 02:31:53,160 --> 02:31:56,730 authenticity $300 above you and executive producer and now you 2661 02:31:56,730 --> 02:32:01,890 can use both of these producer credits at IMDb or you can put 2662 02:32:01,890 --> 02:32:04,620 in your LinkedIn or any other stupid social media thing you're 2663 02:32:04,620 --> 02:32:08,970 on and, and people will think you're very impressive. Because 2664 02:32:08,970 --> 02:32:11,880 you are an actual producer, and unlike Hollywood by the way, 2665 02:32:12,060 --> 02:32:14,970 anyone questions that you send them to us will vouch for you. 2666 02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:18,180 So we're going to start with our executive producers first and we 2667 02:32:18,180 --> 02:32:23,100 kick it off with our top producer with $600 Andrew 2668 02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:27,300 Alexandrou comes in from Santa Fe New Mexico 600 I have no note 2669 02:32:27,300 --> 02:32:30,270 from Andrew Alexander. And you don't have a note either, I 2670 02:32:30,270 --> 02:32:31,680 presume? Well, 2671 02:32:31,710 --> 02:32:34,530 John C Dvorak: I'm looking up everyone who's named Andrew 2672 02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:37,980 Yeah, it should be alone I gotta listen we got Andrew 2673 02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:43,590 Adam Curry: no okay. You got a double up karma then he's got 2674 02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:46,320 Karma 2675 02:32:48,510 --> 02:32:50,550 John C Dvorak: can read the I gotta read this subject and one 2676 02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:55,860 of them another Andrew says kid on roof never hit Trump's Here 2677 02:32:58,620 --> 02:33:07,230 catch up. Catch up ketchup. Okay, we go to Cody oz burn Ozy 2678 02:33:07,230 --> 02:33:11,910 br n parts unknown. 350 93 ITM responding to the call for aid. 2679 02:33:12,090 --> 02:33:15,390 Only been listening for seven months or so. But thanks for all 2680 02:33:15,390 --> 02:33:19,560 you both do. I need the most drastic baby making karma you 2681 02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:25,290 guys can muster. My wife is 60 and she is beyond pissed. Let's 2682 02:33:25,290 --> 02:33:28,470 make it happen. And Godspeed. All All right. 2683 02:33:28,680 --> 02:33:29,640 Adam Curry: Let's get her pitch. 2684 02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:35,340 Unknown: You've got perma 2685 02:33:37,770 --> 02:33:40,590 Adam Curry: free funny Cody. Danielle parks Frederick, 2686 02:33:40,590 --> 02:33:46,530 Maryland. 343 dot 75. Hello. She says, you often mentioned the 2687 02:33:46,530 --> 02:33:48,690 importance of parents getting their kids out of traditional 2688 02:33:48,690 --> 02:33:53,460 schools and I agree 100% No jingles but yet karma would be 2689 02:33:53,460 --> 02:33:55,980 appreciated for all us parents trying to keep our kids from 2690 02:33:55,980 --> 02:34:03,540 being indoctrinated. Yes. Parents in the DMV 2691 02:34:04,620 --> 02:34:09,270 John C Dvorak: and the DMV? I think that's mess. Maryland, 2692 02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:11,310 Virginia District of Columbia. Ah, 2693 02:34:11,310 --> 02:34:13,380 Adam Curry: okay. It's not like Department of Motor Vehicles. 2694 02:34:13,380 --> 02:34:19,200 Okay, gotcha. Yes. That Yes. Maryland. Yes. seeking ways to 2695 02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:28,950 do that. Sure. Check out Apogee Hoko. A p o gechoco.org. It's an 2696 02:34:28,980 --> 02:34:32,880 innovative education campus focused on developing character 2697 02:34:32,880 --> 02:34:35,850 and critical thinking in an environment free from political 2698 02:34:35,850 --> 02:34:39,120 agendas. I'm including a link to the website in case you'd be so 2699 02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:41,640 kind to include it in the show notes. Sure, I will. Thanks and 2700 02:34:41,640 --> 02:34:47,730 keep up the great work and again, Apogee, apo GEHO co.org, 2701 02:34:47,730 --> 02:34:49,680 and some yet karma for y'all. 2702 02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:54,630 Unknown: You've got karma 2703 02:34:56,010 --> 02:35:01,290 John C Dvorak: Baron Fox bat in Cincinnati 3437. Five. Hey, John 2704 02:35:01,290 --> 02:35:03,930 and Adam Barron Fox bat here. It's been a while since 2705 02:35:03,930 --> 02:35:06,690 donating, so I decided to respond to the sad puppy. Thank 2706 02:35:06,690 --> 02:35:10,680 you. John, if you consider getting together with someone 2707 02:35:10,680 --> 02:35:15,840 like Andrew Oh, and doing a tech podcast would be great. That 2708 02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:18,510 would be great. That man with a tan. 2709 02:35:18,900 --> 02:35:22,500 Adam Curry: Andrew Orlovsky, I guess, could 2710 02:35:22,500 --> 02:35:26,130 John C Dvorak: be Andrew Andrew. We talk every so often. Yeah, 2711 02:35:26,130 --> 02:35:29,580 it'd be it would be a different kind of tech podcast, but I've 2712 02:35:29,580 --> 02:35:32,340 given up on the idea of tech podcasting. I think nobody 2713 02:35:32,340 --> 02:35:32,820 cares. 2714 02:35:33,270 --> 02:35:36,090 Adam Curry: I had an order last, I think, I don't know if I 2715 02:35:36,090 --> 02:35:39,570 clipped it. He was on some podcasts. And he was he was 2716 02:35:39,570 --> 02:35:44,670 saying exactly what I said about AI. He said, Ah, AI has been 2717 02:35:44,670 --> 02:35:47,130 around for 10 years, but then there's some parlor trick where 2718 02:35:47,130 --> 02:35:49,440 all of a sudden that sounds like a human everyone loses their 2719 02:35:49,440 --> 02:35:52,380 crap and invest a trillion dollars. He's like, This is 2720 02:35:52,380 --> 02:35:54,810 dumb. It's not going to work. And who is the man? 2721 02:35:56,850 --> 02:35:58,800 John C Dvorak: Yeah, he's been very skeptical of lots of 2722 02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:00,210 technologies. And 2723 02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:03,900 Adam Curry: rightly so. Baron sir Good fellow, Davenport. 2724 02:36:03,900 --> 02:36:07,680 Floor 333 dot 33. Our favorite number barons are good fellow 2725 02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:10,770 here. It's been far too long since my last donation. I'll 2726 02:36:10,770 --> 02:36:16,050 keep it simple, more Africa news. Deconstruct more bills 2727 02:36:16,050 --> 02:36:20,760 from Congress and rent your AV gear from gig rent at gig 2728 02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:27,030 rent.com. No jingles no karma. Thank you. Yes. More Africa 2729 02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:29,580 news. You got it coming up. Well, 2730 02:36:29,580 --> 02:36:33,990 John C Dvorak: Bill of Ohio and Columbus. Three, three 3.33 ITM 2731 02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:37,290 and two years ago, yesterday, July 20, I hosted a central Ohio 2732 02:36:37,290 --> 02:36:40,650 Michigan meetup, which introduced I'm sorry, Central 2733 02:36:40,650 --> 02:36:45,090 Ohio, meet up the Michigan two, which introduced me to a bunch 2734 02:36:45,090 --> 02:36:48,330 of wonderful people as the people I have met along with the 2735 02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:52,560 show have kept me sane is these past few years although sanity 2736 02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:56,490 is overrated. Special thanks to Sir Leary for keeping the 2737 02:36:56,490 --> 02:37:00,030 planning and organizing of the central Ohio meetups going 2738 02:37:00,030 --> 02:37:05,160 consistently. Come to one. prove you're not a fed and join the 2739 02:37:05,160 --> 02:37:08,190 local troll room. That connection is protection. I 2740 02:37:08,190 --> 02:37:12,210 shall be henceforth known it as Wild Bill is getting knighted of 2741 02:37:12,210 --> 02:37:17,340 Ohio de douceur of Joe Rogan. Also it's my 37th birthday 2742 02:37:17,340 --> 02:37:22,260 strippers and nonfat no blow please swell bill of Ohio de 2743 02:37:22,260 --> 02:37:25,140 douche yes de douche or of Joe Rogan. Does 2744 02:37:25,140 --> 02:37:26,970 Adam Curry: he needed dilution? No, 2745 02:37:26,970 --> 02:37:27,870 John C Dvorak: I don't think so. 2746 02:37:28,110 --> 02:37:32,580 Adam Curry: Hey there, sir era Darien from finely. Yes, in 2747 02:37:32,580 --> 02:37:36,000 California Associate Executive Producer to under $50. He says 2748 02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:38,700 thank you. Well, thank you, sir era. 2749 02:37:39,090 --> 02:37:40,470 Unknown: Thank you. Thank you. 2750 02:37:40,500 --> 02:37:41,250 Adam Curry: Thank you, 2751 02:37:41,550 --> 02:37:44,970 John C Dvorak: John by in Golden Colorado to 1060. Thinking about 2752 02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:49,620 the stopping of JDS good news segment corresponded with some 2753 02:37:49,620 --> 02:37:53,580 bad happening. Probably the best best to bring it back to make 2754 02:37:53,580 --> 02:37:56,580 the world a smiley, happy place. Today, and 2755 02:37:56,580 --> 02:37:58,620 Adam Curry: I think it's a very valid point ever since we 2756 02:37:58,620 --> 02:38:03,450 stopped doing good news the world has gone nuts. That's not 2757 02:38:03,450 --> 02:38:08,340 it. That's not as interesting thought. Then we have Eli the 2758 02:38:08,340 --> 02:38:12,000 coffee guy from Bensenville Illinois as a standard staple in 2759 02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:16,050 the Associate Executive Producer realm 207 21. Crowd strikes 2760 02:38:16,050 --> 02:38:19,830 failure on Friday made me think how dependent our society is on 2761 02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:22,680 just a few companies for the backbone of our technological 2762 02:38:22,680 --> 02:38:26,640 infrastructure, Google, AWS, Microsoft and all the rest. 2763 02:38:26,970 --> 02:38:30,630 Simplicity is sustainability by local get to know your neighbors 2764 02:38:30,630 --> 02:38:33,750 and utilize technology just don't become a slave to it. A 2765 02:38:33,750 --> 02:38:36,660 good way to utilize technology to save time and simplify your 2766 02:38:36,660 --> 02:38:39,480 life is to get fresh roasted coffee shipped right to your 2767 02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:42,510 door. So for a great coffee at a great price visit gigawatt 2768 02:38:42,510 --> 02:38:47,280 coffee roasters.com use code ITM 20 for 20% off your order. Stay 2769 02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:51,060 caffeinated Eli, the coffee guy. Thank you. Yes, I actually wound 2770 02:38:51,060 --> 02:38:53,010 up helping a couple of my neighbors who are remote 2771 02:38:53,010 --> 02:38:57,030 workers. And I got them out of the blue screen that says what 2772 02:38:57,030 --> 02:39:01,230 you do for your neighbors is what you do. There they hit the 2773 02:39:01,230 --> 02:39:05,520 blue screen. Yeah, remote worker. So their computers they 2774 02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:06,180 left them on 2775 02:39:06,180 --> 02:39:08,850 John C Dvorak: that stinks. Yeah, Baroness Monica and 2776 02:39:08,910 --> 02:39:13,920 Drayton Valley. Alberta does not stink and she gives us $22.02 is 2777 02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:17,160 still enjoying your media deconstruction, with an 2778 02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:21,180 exclamation mark and his karma for Ken and Lance. Thank you 2779 02:39:21,180 --> 02:39:22,920 kindly, Baroness Monica. 2780 02:39:24,480 --> 02:39:26,190 Unknown: You've got karma. 2781 02:39:27,930 --> 02:39:30,360 Adam Curry: Again to the end here of the Associate Executive 2782 02:39:30,360 --> 02:39:36,600 Producers urban Wheeldon urban urban marry Nebraska $200 I need 2783 02:39:36,600 --> 02:39:43,470 a D do. You spend D deuced. And Urban says I have completed 54 2784 02:39:43,470 --> 02:39:46,290 trips around the sun on July 20. So we're only one day late. 2785 02:39:46,290 --> 02:39:48,060 You're on the list. Congratulations, Ervin. 2786 02:39:49,170 --> 02:39:52,800 John C Dvorak: And then we get to Linda LAPACK in there she is. 2787 02:39:53,490 --> 02:40:00,750 Lakewood, Colorado. Jobs karma and John's Donate. Donate For a 2788 02:40:00,750 --> 02:40:04,830 resume that gets results visit image makers inc.com For all 2789 02:40:04,830 --> 02:40:10,650 your go to for all your executive, your go to. I can't 2790 02:40:10,650 --> 02:40:14,730 do the read today watching your read your go to for all your 2791 02:40:14,730 --> 02:40:17,610 executive resume and job search needs. That's the image makers 2792 02:40:17,610 --> 02:40:20,790 neat with a k.com and good and work with Linda that Linda Lou 2793 02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:23,550 the Duchess of jobs and writer of resume she's going to be 2794 02:40:23,550 --> 02:40:27,750 listed on the producer listing click her name I believe 2795 02:40:28,800 --> 02:40:30,120 Adam Curry: when we do it the other way around 2796 02:40:30,150 --> 02:40:34,440 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's go 2797 02:40:46,920 --> 02:40:54,720 Adam Curry: classic, thank you Linda Lou. Rob cardi $200. And 2798 02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:59,070 he has an attached notes. Let me see. I believe I have it here. I 2799 02:40:59,070 --> 02:41:03,000 do know this it is here he is right here is the official 2800 02:41:03,900 --> 02:41:07,620 constitutional lawyer of the no agenda show gear Adam and John 2801 02:41:07,620 --> 02:41:11,010 ITM go ahead and cash the enclosed $2 check now but kindly 2802 02:41:11,010 --> 02:41:14,970 save the announcement for your July 21 show. That's my 59th 2803 02:41:14,970 --> 02:41:17,640 birthday. Could you kindly add me to the list is taken care of 2804 02:41:17,640 --> 02:41:21,990 three quick notes one, Linda Lou packin is a saint who deserves 2805 02:41:22,020 --> 02:41:25,860 all this. This is great. This is better than advertised he 2806 02:41:25,860 --> 02:41:27,690 John C Dvorak: gets more publicity from other people 2807 02:41:27,690 --> 02:41:29,610 she's gonna stop donating Linda Lou 2808 02:41:29,610 --> 02:41:32,700 Adam Curry: Pat Ken is a saint who deserves all the success no 2809 02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:35,670 agenda has bestowed on her and more lately she's been helping 2810 02:41:35,670 --> 02:41:41,130 my daughter Danielle. Linda is a genius and a magnificent soul to 2811 02:41:41,310 --> 02:41:44,040 I had been providing time and talent for a while now and 2812 02:41:44,040 --> 02:41:46,590 hitting many months but I understand that treasure is what 2813 02:41:46,590 --> 02:41:49,800 keeps the lights on and the pantry stocks please dee doo 2814 02:41:52,320 --> 02:41:53,730 Unknown: dee doo Wow. 2815 02:41:53,940 --> 02:41:57,900 Adam Curry: Time talent and treasure and he's a lawyer three 2816 02:41:57,930 --> 02:42:01,380 Texas and California producers can check out my firm at me at 2817 02:42:01,380 --> 02:42:06,000 Rob dot lawyer. Yep, that's the URL Rob dot lawyer. We help 2818 02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:10,680 private litigants and business people with Ulus. I also help 2819 02:42:10,680 --> 02:42:14,010 fellow lawyers with appeals and complex or critical briefings. 2820 02:42:14,160 --> 02:42:17,190 So check out Rob dot lawyer and let's see how I can help get mo 2821 02:42:17,190 --> 02:42:21,000 nation. I respectfully request open up Adam curry because you 2822 02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:29,550 keep open up Adam curry karma to keep us all out of jail. All 2823 02:42:29,550 --> 02:42:31,410 right, Rob Carney. Thank you, Rob, you've 2824 02:42:31,410 --> 02:42:32,760 Unknown: got karma. 2825 02:42:34,350 --> 02:42:36,270 Adam Curry: Make sure you check out the show notes. Sometimes we 2826 02:42:36,270 --> 02:42:38,820 don't get to his excellent deconstructions 2827 02:42:39,300 --> 02:42:41,700 John C Dvorak: a nice signature. Yeah, well, 2828 02:42:41,700 --> 02:42:43,500 Adam Curry: that's what you do as a lawyer. You want to have 2829 02:42:43,500 --> 02:42:46,680 something that's recognizable, as good as he does. Is it 2830 02:42:46,680 --> 02:42:51,420 Houston? Yes, he is that Canyon Lake. That's not quite Houston. 2831 02:42:51,810 --> 02:42:56,340 That's his office. But in the shownotes I often have a boots 2832 02:42:56,340 --> 02:42:59,640 on the ground from him, which is deconstructing any of like the 2833 02:42:59,640 --> 02:43:02,610 Chevron deference. I mean, he helped us a lot on that. So 2834 02:43:02,850 --> 02:43:05,670 thank you, brother. Appreciate it. And you're on the list. And 2835 02:43:05,670 --> 02:43:08,790 that concludes our executive and Associate Executive producers 2836 02:43:09,060 --> 02:43:15,510 for episode 16 What are we at 79 Wow, getting up there. We're 2837 02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:18,450 gonna keep it going all the way through to thank everybody up 2838 02:43:18,450 --> 02:43:22,140 until $50 and I'll I'll kick it off here with Nathan Cochran 2839 02:43:22,140 --> 02:43:27,570 because he's our buddy for Mercy Me 102 112 3.45 still listening. 2840 02:43:27,570 --> 02:43:29,970 Still laughing still playing music. Thank you very much, 2841 02:43:29,970 --> 02:43:31,050 John. Take it all the way. 2842 02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:35,010 John C Dvorak: What happened to our Weezer guy is on a mission 2843 02:43:35,010 --> 02:43:37,170 Raleigh, North Carolina 120 are 2844 02:43:37,170 --> 02:43:41,640 Adam Curry: Weezer Patrick. Patrick, he's he's over 2845 02:43:41,640 --> 02:43:45,870 John C Dvorak: John Wooden 105 35 Simon Bruce Cassidy in 2846 02:43:45,870 --> 02:43:52,650 Oslo, Norway. 105 35. Brian Keefe in Sierra Vista Arizona 2847 02:43:52,650 --> 02:43:55,020 want to fight there if do we can do this list because very short, 2848 02:43:55,020 --> 02:43:57,630 actually, after we get past here, it's gonna follow up all 2849 02:43:57,630 --> 02:44:03,390 apart. Brian Kenneth Ryan in Bonita Springs, Florida 100 2850 02:44:04,410 --> 02:44:09,750 Milton Mize in Covington, Louisiana. 100 is a broken 2851 02:44:09,750 --> 02:44:16,680 donation, broken donation Brian Lillard and prosper Texas. 8888. 2852 02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:23,730 Adam Frederick in orange, Vermont is 60 at 66 and he's got 2853 02:44:23,730 --> 02:44:27,780 a birthday on the show day. Kevin McLaughlin Arias, the 2854 02:44:27,810 --> 02:44:33,120 Archduke of Luna lover of American boobs with 808 Boobs. 2855 02:44:34,470 --> 02:44:43,140 Kiernan Stinson in Harrogate, Tennessee 7676 Kyle Pok last in 2856 02:44:43,140 --> 02:44:56,490 Hannibal, Missouri 70 Some something, sir but he he says a 2857 02:44:56,490 --> 02:45:02,430 butcher his name so it's poachy ak poate poach Yes, poach poach 2858 02:45:02,460 --> 02:45:08,910 off. Okay, I dwelled on, put Porcius SC purchased. That's 2859 02:45:08,910 --> 02:45:13,770 gotta be it. Sir Rick in Arlington, Washington, 6996 2860 02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:17,520 Brian McFadden in Hampton, Virginia 56. And other birthday 2861 02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:24,030 boy, Baron sir lineman of the net in Atlanta, Illinois. 5533. 2862 02:45:25,560 --> 02:45:36,120 Steven A's and Mon in Chicago 5325. Craig core Teece in Abu 2863 02:45:36,120 --> 02:45:40,440 Dhabi, hey, get some photos 50 to 70 chew this funny, funny 2864 02:45:40,440 --> 02:45:46,380 stuff to take pictures of. Paul a John Paul Beth batch I think 2865 02:45:46,380 --> 02:45:48,240 it's Bashi in but it's bad. What's bad 2866 02:45:48,240 --> 02:45:50,820 Adam Curry: on the background there what noise Am I hearing? 2867 02:45:52,260 --> 02:46:00,600 John C Dvorak: That is a noisy. Tree train load of of oil is oil 2868 02:46:00,630 --> 02:46:05,310 go okay. Oil tankers going by by the boatload. All right. So in 2869 02:46:05,310 --> 02:46:09,690 shipping our oil to China, Andrew, bat bat tn in Crestview, 2870 02:46:09,690 --> 02:46:12,840 Florida 5271. Now we got him 50s already starting with 2871 02:46:12,840 --> 02:46:16,650 Christopher Hodges and union Mississippi Nicholas Ruda, which 2872 02:46:16,650 --> 02:46:21,150 in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia Larry Gardner in Ormond Beach, 2873 02:46:21,150 --> 02:46:27,150 Florida. Lisa piles in South Lake Texas. Brian ward in in 2874 02:46:27,150 --> 02:46:33,330 coming Georgia, Michael stadium, Hartson unknown Derrick Allison 2875 02:46:33,330 --> 02:46:37,950 in Rock Springs, Wyoming. He also has a douchebag call out 2876 02:46:37,950 --> 02:46:43,350 for Travis Baggett. And less than a very short list of only 2877 02:46:43,350 --> 02:46:48,660 total of 4040 people. John Siebert in Auburn California 2878 02:46:48,660 --> 02:46:53,070 $50. And that's concludes our group of producers for shows 2879 02:46:53,370 --> 02:46:54,750 1679 2880 02:46:54,810 --> 02:46:57,210 Adam Curry: Again, thank you to everyone who came in under $50. 2881 02:46:57,210 --> 02:47:00,420 For anonymity, we do not mention any of those, but we do see you 2882 02:47:00,420 --> 02:47:03,690 and we're very appreciative and anyone have any amount? The 2883 02:47:03,690 --> 02:47:06,660 whole point is we can't look at your pocketbook, whatever is 2884 02:47:06,660 --> 02:47:09,720 value to you. You send that to us and we're even Steven, fair 2885 02:47:09,720 --> 02:47:12,930 and square. We appreciate it. Obviously, thanks to our 2886 02:47:12,930 --> 02:47:15,390 executive and Associate Executive producers for episode 2887 02:47:15,390 --> 02:47:18,810 1679. Thank you very much for being part of the grand 2888 02:47:18,810 --> 02:47:21,360 experiment. That is the no agenda show formula 2889 02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:25,320 Unknown: is this. We go out. We had people in the mouth 2890 02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:38,850 Adam Curry: become a producer today and no agenda 2891 02:47:38,850 --> 02:47:40,170 donations.com. 2892 02:47:46,740 --> 02:47:50,400 And here is our list for today. Urban Wheeldon turns 54 2893 02:47:50,400 --> 02:47:55,050 Yesterday, Rob, Rob Carney, the official constitutional lawyer 2894 02:47:55,050 --> 02:47:58,860 of the no agenda show turns 59 Today if you see him wave and 2895 02:47:58,860 --> 02:48:02,100 say hi, congratulations, Adam Frederick celebrating today 2896 02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:07,260 Brian McFadden turns 56 on the 24th and we'll Wild Bill of Ohio 2897 02:48:07,260 --> 02:48:10,620 turns 37 We say happy birthday to everybody here from the best 2898 02:48:10,620 --> 02:48:17,670 podcast in the universe. So we have a oh yes, we have the 2899 02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:22,200 instant it note from the last show Luber Benda and Lubar says 2900 02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:25,800 Dear Sirs, I seriously overspent on the last show must have been 2901 02:48:25,800 --> 02:48:29,400 under the influence of unknown forces but the four years I've 2902 02:48:29,400 --> 02:48:32,070 been listening to your show was worth every penny of it so 2903 02:48:32,070 --> 02:48:37,410 please call me sir guy call me sir guy called Ben protector Oh 2904 02:48:37,410 --> 02:48:42,450 bohemian giant of Bohemian giant mountains or something okay, 2905 02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:46,470 just steak and good local meat for the roundtable thank you he 2906 02:48:46,470 --> 02:48:49,980 says well good because we have some we always have good local 2907 02:48:49,980 --> 02:48:53,190 meat and some steak ready I've got my sword out John if you can 2908 02:48:53,220 --> 02:48:57,870 grab your sword so I get the big boy Nice. So along with a Lubar 2909 02:48:57,870 --> 02:49:02,460 Bender Bender while Bill of Ohio come on up gentlemen both you 2910 02:49:02,460 --> 02:49:05,430 become knights today of the no agenda roundtable Let me grab 2911 02:49:05,430 --> 02:49:07,950 this big thing out here the one that John put in my hands and I 2912 02:49:07,950 --> 02:49:11,010 am very proud to pronounce the katumbi as Sir guy called Ben 2913 02:49:11,010 --> 02:49:14,670 protector over he means giant mountains or something and Sir a 2914 02:49:14,670 --> 02:49:18,390 Wild Bill of Ohio de douceur of Joe Rogan gentlemen for you 2915 02:49:18,390 --> 02:49:22,290 we've got that beautiful local mean in a beautiful state. We 2916 02:49:22,290 --> 02:49:25,410 got strippers and non fentanyl blow of course we have red boys 2917 02:49:25,410 --> 02:49:27,390 and charred nation that'd be your preference but I don't 2918 02:49:27,390 --> 02:49:31,620 think so. Ruben as feminine was a guy says and sock a buck 2919 02:49:31,620 --> 02:49:33,780 Manila bong hits and bourbon here at the table sparkling 2920 02:49:33,780 --> 02:49:37,320 cider s for ginger ales and dribbles. We got Oh of course 2921 02:49:37,350 --> 02:49:39,420 got the mutton in the meat as always, that's what you can 2922 02:49:39,420 --> 02:49:42,450 always snack on. We appreciate you supporting us and thank you 2923 02:49:42,450 --> 02:49:46,440 all for continuing to support your no agenda show. Not for 2924 02:49:46,440 --> 02:49:49,830 nothing the big the best podcast in the universe. You guys go to 2925 02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:53,550 no agenda rings.com You'll see there that you can size your 2926 02:49:53,550 --> 02:49:56,100 ring finger the one you want to send that into us with an 2927 02:49:56,100 --> 02:49:58,800 address to ship off your ring comes with wax to seal your 2928 02:49:58,800 --> 02:50:01,680 important correspondence and and an official certificate of 2929 02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:05,040 authenticity signed by myself and John C. Dvorak. Thanks. And 2930 02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:05,670 welcome to the rounds 2931 02:50:12,269 --> 02:50:13,139 Unknown: so we have a 2932 02:50:14,429 --> 02:50:16,889 Adam Curry: number of meetup reports. Remember, these are the 2933 02:50:16,919 --> 02:50:20,939 producer organized meetups where people get together hang out. It 2934 02:50:20,939 --> 02:50:23,369 is your local community, typically, although some people 2935 02:50:23,369 --> 02:50:26,759 drive hours just to go to some of these. And we finally got a 2936 02:50:26,759 --> 02:50:30,779 full report from the Amsterdam, the Netherlands meetup where I 2937 02:50:30,779 --> 02:50:34,169 attended which was over a month ago now I think, so I might as 2938 02:50:34,169 --> 02:50:37,109 well play it since they sent it in and did all the work in the 2939 02:50:37,109 --> 02:50:41,999 morning. Hey, everybody, this is a crackpot. I am filled with 2940 02:50:41,999 --> 02:50:45,269 hookers and blow what a great meetup. I 2941 02:50:45,270 --> 02:50:47,070 Unknown: just deduced myself up 2942 02:50:49,770 --> 02:50:54,600 in the morning life, from Texas to labor in the morning, hey, 2943 02:50:54,600 --> 02:50:54,720 I'm 2944 02:50:54,720 --> 02:50:57,960 gonna talk to Neil. Hey, listen, I'm looking for the Dutch 2945 02:50:57,960 --> 02:51:01,170 masters here. Have you seen them? Can you then or Darren or 2946 02:51:01,170 --> 02:51:05,280 mu or networks or Francisco Scaramanga? Have you seen them? 2947 02:51:05,340 --> 02:51:06,270 I can find them. 2948 02:51:07,080 --> 02:51:08,280 Now the welcome home 2949 02:51:15,090 --> 02:51:18,300 morning Sellersburg was Big Mike. 2950 02:51:19,470 --> 02:51:21,000 This is the most crazy pizza 2951 02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:27,840 I came here to take the screaming goat home John I 2952 02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:29,940 followed your advice I bought Alexis 2953 02:51:32,100 --> 02:51:34,260 in the morning, Dutchess are 2954 02:51:34,260 --> 02:51:38,700 awesome hi this is surplus I deny everything I got hairy legs 2955 02:51:38,820 --> 02:51:39,930 sir hair go nuts 2956 02:51:42,090 --> 02:51:45,450 in the morning connection is protecting sir Ron Lauren years. 2957 02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:53,010 I found out that cannabis actually gateway drug tobacco 2958 02:51:53,370 --> 02:51:54,030 cigars 2959 02:51:54,750 --> 02:51:57,930 again connections in the morning and this has got to be the 2960 02:51:57,930 --> 02:51:58,440 longest 2961 02:51:58,440 --> 02:51:59,610 meet up report ever. 2962 02:51:59,640 --> 02:52:02,160 I like my old Lexus. And I love what to do. 2963 02:52:03,240 --> 02:52:07,080 Hey, Caroline, having a blast of the time in the morning. 2964 02:52:07,320 --> 02:52:08,580 Fantastic second you been 2965 02:52:11,940 --> 02:52:14,280 Adam Curry: tired? I was really tired. You can tell why I was 2966 02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:17,580 tired after that after that meetup. These people are high 2967 02:52:17,580 --> 02:52:21,450 maintenance but super fun. And didn't turn to Neil sounds 2968 02:52:21,450 --> 02:52:25,920 sweet. And a lot of people drive like sigh from the Netherlands 2969 02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:28,710 we go to Sonoma Wine Oh counter a country 2970 02:52:28,800 --> 02:52:32,010 Unknown: in the morning. This is Sir recalcitrant crazy Steve the 2971 02:52:32,010 --> 02:52:35,850 second here at the Sonoma Wine Oh country made up 4.0. And 2972 02:52:35,850 --> 02:52:37,830 we're all convinced there was a second shooter. 2973 02:52:38,220 --> 02:52:41,280 Suresh Meister here in beautiful Sonoma County, 2974 02:52:41,370 --> 02:52:43,410 sir monta can join a beautiful afternoon. 2975 02:52:43,740 --> 02:52:47,610 This is a dude named Ben named Ben Cal San Francisco soon to be 2976 02:52:47,640 --> 02:52:51,900 Duke of San Francisco and may the second shooter was using the 2977 02:52:51,900 --> 02:52:52,380 drone 2978 02:52:52,620 --> 02:52:55,440 is Brian from work. I think there might have been third, 2979 02:52:55,440 --> 02:52:59,790 fourth and fifth shooters. next meetup will be at OCAs chairs. 2980 02:53:00,060 --> 02:53:03,150 This is Cynthia from naughty wine accessories. If she doesn't 2981 02:53:03,150 --> 02:53:04,650 care about any of that. Thank you. 2982 02:53:05,730 --> 02:53:08,100 John, And the Lord. 2983 02:53:09,900 --> 02:53:12,090 Adam Curry: We stay in California for the San Diego 2984 02:53:12,090 --> 02:53:12,570 Mita. 2985 02:53:12,600 --> 02:53:13,740 Unknown: Connie ago go 2986 02:53:13,980 --> 02:53:14,790 in the morning. This 2987 02:53:14,790 --> 02:53:16,860 is Ryan in the morning. This 2988 02:53:16,860 --> 02:53:21,990 is Tim in the morning, sir Mike and congratulations. Kania. Gogo 2989 02:53:22,320 --> 02:53:25,770 in the morning de mon. In the morning Dean Kelly of the 2990 02:53:25,770 --> 02:53:26,700 crushed grapes. 2991 02:53:26,940 --> 02:53:32,940 In the morning everybody. We're here at the Santiago meet up a 2992 02:53:32,940 --> 02:53:38,070 little Ron Burgundy reference for y'all. Enjoy yourselves. And 2993 02:53:38,130 --> 02:53:39,810 over now. See 2994 02:53:39,810 --> 02:53:42,210 Adam Curry: these meetups even have their own language. It's 2995 02:53:42,210 --> 02:53:45,150 amazing what's going on? They sent a picture along with this 2996 02:53:45,150 --> 02:53:48,540 meetup report. The Chicago meetup. The Chicago crew is that 2997 02:53:48,540 --> 02:53:50,010 good looking crew 2998 02:53:50,250 --> 02:53:51,720 Unknown: service in Chicago. 2999 02:53:51,750 --> 02:53:54,990 Hi, David Gordy here in the morning in the morning. This is 3000 02:53:54,990 --> 02:53:58,950 Sir NBS in Chicago representing down by the river in the 3001 02:53:58,950 --> 02:54:02,010 morning. This is Laura from Green Bay Sir Brian with a while 3002 02:54:02,040 --> 02:54:03,750 doing it live. Hi, William. 3003 02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:05,310 In the morning, morning. 3004 02:54:07,140 --> 02:54:08,700 And someone will edit that right yeah, 3005 02:54:08,700 --> 02:54:11,220 Adam Curry: sure. I always edit everything when necessary. No 3006 02:54:11,220 --> 02:54:13,350 problem at all. Thank you so much for sending in your Meetup 3007 02:54:13,350 --> 02:54:17,460 reports. We have a couple of meetups taking place. Let me see 3008 02:54:17,460 --> 02:54:20,460 to day it being Sunday Margarita meet up two o'clock. It's 3009 02:54:20,460 --> 02:54:23,850 underway at Palm Beach Gardens Florida. Linares, Alton Hello 3010 02:54:23,850 --> 02:54:27,870 everybody there. We have East Central Illinois. Their Meetup 3011 02:54:27,870 --> 02:54:32,700 is underway at triptych brewing. I think it is in Savoy, 3012 02:54:32,730 --> 02:54:36,450 Illinois, North Georgia monthly start to six o'clock at Cherry 3013 02:54:36,450 --> 02:54:40,440 Street brewing Alpharetta, Georgia. And a special mention 3014 02:54:40,440 --> 02:54:43,860 let me see we have I want to mention that we have the Houston 3015 02:54:43,860 --> 02:54:48,030 meetup coming on August 3, I think is that the Houston meetup 3016 02:54:48,390 --> 02:54:51,900 that something was coming up on the 11th as well. But there's 3017 02:54:51,930 --> 02:54:56,190 we've got Oshkosh on July 26. We've got visa Baden, Germany 3018 02:54:56,190 --> 02:55:01,140 Hello, here's the half of East Boston July 27. La on the 27th 3019 02:55:01,140 --> 02:55:05,190 Ironton, Minnesota Mount Juliet, Tennessee Columbus, Ohio, Tokyo 3020 02:55:05,280 --> 02:55:09,900 Shibuya, Japan on the 27th need to meet up report followed by 3021 02:55:09,900 --> 02:55:14,310 the 28th Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad, Amsterdam, the 3022 02:55:14,310 --> 02:55:16,950 Netherlands on the third of August Edmonds, Washington, 3023 02:55:16,950 --> 02:55:20,400 Norwich Vermont Norwood, Massachusetts, Houston, Texas, 3024 02:55:20,610 --> 02:55:23,790 Garden City, Idaho on the 10th Keyport, New Jersey on the 11th 3025 02:55:23,790 --> 02:55:27,660 Keene New Hampshire on the 11th Alberni California. That's 3026 02:55:27,810 --> 02:55:30,990 another get John out of the house meet up August 17. And 3027 02:55:30,990 --> 02:55:33,870 we're into September galega, Lita, California and Tucson 3028 02:55:33,870 --> 02:55:37,440 Arizona many more to come. Many more to be found. You can even 3029 02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:40,470 start one yourself if you can't find one near you. The no agenda 3030 02:55:40,470 --> 02:55:45,660 meetups, no agenda meetups.com Always a party to 3031 02:55:46,170 --> 02:55:51,930 Unknown: go hang out with you. 3032 02:55:56,760 --> 02:56:01,200 You say? 3033 02:56:04,500 --> 02:56:07,890 Adam Curry: Yes, indeed. It's like a party. And guess what? 3034 02:56:07,890 --> 02:56:11,250 You're going to win the ISO today because today I have zero 3035 02:56:11,250 --> 02:56:12,030 ISOs. 3036 02:56:14,940 --> 02:56:17,130 John C Dvorak: Okay, I win, then. Yes. Thank you. 3037 02:56:17,160 --> 02:56:19,230 Adam Curry: Which one do you win with? Oh, are we here? I 3038 02:56:19,230 --> 02:56:20,160 shouldn't have it's here. 3039 02:56:20,190 --> 02:56:22,770 John C Dvorak: Yeah, let's start with I got two versions of 3040 02:56:22,770 --> 02:56:25,050 thanks. I got one and to start with one. Thanks 3041 02:56:25,050 --> 02:56:27,360 Unknown: so much for being here. Okay, 3042 02:56:27,930 --> 02:56:29,190 that too. Yeah. 3043 02:56:29,220 --> 02:56:32,670 Thanks for having me. Glad we're on. Okay. 3044 02:56:33,300 --> 02:56:36,750 John C Dvorak: Okay. Well, I think and then we have a a sent 3045 02:56:36,750 --> 02:56:39,330 in by a producer. The what to 3046 02:56:40,320 --> 02:56:40,830 Unknown: clip. 3047 02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:43,710 What the hell was that? Go? 3048 02:56:43,710 --> 02:56:47,670 Adam Curry: I got that one too. I discarded it. I'm like, well, 3049 02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:50,730 that's Family Guy. I mean, I'm not going to use that. I'm not 3050 02:56:50,730 --> 02:56:54,510 going to insult you. But you did it. Well, I 3051 02:56:54,510 --> 02:56:55,800 John C Dvorak: used it instead. 3052 02:56:55,890 --> 02:56:57,690 Adam Curry: Thanks so much for being here. I'm going to use 3053 02:56:57,690 --> 02:57:00,090 that one if you don't mind. I think I think that's the best 3054 02:57:00,090 --> 02:57:03,000 one. All right, everybody. This may be the last time but that's 3055 02:57:03,000 --> 02:57:03,870 all on you. 3056 02:57:07,980 --> 02:57:10,140 Unknown: Just JC? 3057 02:57:11,190 --> 02:57:14,760 Adam Curry: I hope it's not I hope it's not the last time I 3058 02:57:14,760 --> 02:57:18,030 hope you're not thwarted by these people who just say nasty 3059 02:57:18,030 --> 02:57:20,730 things. I mean, get used to it be your your celebrity your 3060 02:57:20,730 --> 02:57:22,140 superstar. I 3061 02:57:22,140 --> 02:57:24,960 John C Dvorak: decided to go with the most obscure thing I 3062 02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:30,300 can come up with today. Okay. And that is an antiseptic that 3063 02:57:30,300 --> 02:57:33,540 would get you get people talk and because of his they saw it 3064 02:57:33,540 --> 02:57:38,340 is always tends to be the label tends to be in Russian. Okay. 3065 02:57:38,820 --> 02:57:42,300 And as a product, you can look this up on Wikipedia so you can 3066 02:57:42,300 --> 02:57:45,810 find out the details about it. It's a it's actually a dye 3067 02:57:46,110 --> 02:57:51,060 called brilliant green. It's used in Ukraine and Russia for 3068 02:57:51,060 --> 02:57:55,710 anything that happens on your skin. It kills all gram negative 3069 02:57:55,710 --> 02:58:01,290 bacteria. It prevents the flesh eating bacteria kills staph does 3070 02:58:01,290 --> 02:58:04,020 all this stuff on the draw. 3071 02:58:05,430 --> 02:58:08,460 Adam Curry: It kills staph infection. Yeah. Because 3072 02:58:08,460 --> 02:58:11,430 normally you have to be on like antibiotics for a month and you 3073 02:58:11,430 --> 02:58:12,240 can't just 3074 02:58:12,240 --> 02:58:15,600 John C Dvorak: stuff on it. You believe me? The gag. This came 3075 02:58:15,630 --> 02:58:18,990 the original tip comes from my friend. Therefore I'm not my 3076 02:58:18,990 --> 02:58:25,380 friend. Well, I do know him. David Duncan, who was lived in 3077 02:58:25,380 --> 02:58:30,450 Ukraine for a couple of years, and talked about he got his hand 3078 02:58:30,450 --> 02:58:34,470 got impaled. And he ended up getting the doctor so just puts 3079 02:58:34,470 --> 02:58:37,830 it put the green stuck the green goo they call it their what's it 3080 02:58:37,830 --> 02:58:38,250 called? What's 3081 02:58:38,250 --> 02:58:39,330 Adam Curry: your product name again? 3082 02:58:39,690 --> 02:58:44,820 John C Dvorak: brilliant green. Soylent Green. brilliant green. 3083 02:58:44,820 --> 02:58:52,380 Brilliant and it's a die. Ah. Wow. And it went why just dies? 3084 02:58:52,380 --> 02:58:56,070 Yeah. And so this it's used by everybody and a heals everything 3085 02:58:56,100 --> 02:58:58,320 that is skin situation like 3086 02:58:58,350 --> 02:59:00,000 Adam Curry: windex for white people. 3087 02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:04,440 John C Dvorak: Well, the product drawback is it's a green dye. 3088 02:59:04,590 --> 02:59:08,160 And it leaves Lee is it takes three or four days before it 3089 02:59:08,160 --> 02:59:13,740 rubs off. But it's a very effective wow, if you can get it 3090 02:59:13,740 --> 02:59:15,750 you're gonna have to talk to your Russian friends to find it 3091 02:59:15,750 --> 02:59:19,950 because it's so cheap to make that the pharmaceutical 3092 02:59:19,950 --> 02:59:21,930 companies won't even touch it because they can there's no 3093 02:59:21,930 --> 02:59:22,650 profit in it. 3094 02:59:22,650 --> 02:59:25,530 Adam Curry: I can hear sir Jean whipping up a website already. 3095 02:59:26,040 --> 02:59:26,670 Sir G 3096 02:59:26,670 --> 02:59:28,890 John C Dvorak: knows about this. I guarantee it. And once again 3097 02:59:28,890 --> 02:59:31,140 you asked him he decided that Oh, yeah. Everybody uses that 3098 02:59:31,140 --> 02:59:31,470 stuff. 3099 02:59:31,470 --> 02:59:32,340 Adam Curry: What's it called again? 3100 02:59:33,060 --> 02:59:36,960 John C Dvorak: brilliant green. brilliant green is also has a 3101 02:59:37,140 --> 02:59:43,350 slang term is a link as e l e n k consult Linka. Wow. 3102 02:59:44,400 --> 02:59:47,970 Adam Curry: Well, that's a good tip. I hope you keep it up. I'm 3103 02:59:47,970 --> 02:59:50,040 sure to get lots of a bunch of great 3104 02:59:50,190 --> 02:59:52,440 Unknown: tip of the day. Thanks for listening. 3105 02:59:53,370 --> 02:59:55,020 Y'all come back now you hear 3106 02:59:56,700 --> 03:00:00,720 Adam Curry: please do come back y'all for Another tip of the 3107 03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:04,020 day, although I agree that ever since we stopped doing the good 3108 03:00:04,020 --> 03:00:09,630 news segment the world has just gone downhill. Scary. Scary, so 3109 03:00:09,630 --> 03:00:13,740 scary. All right, you're up to speed and you're spun down. 3110 03:00:14,100 --> 03:00:18,360 That's the way we like to see. Everybody take care. We'll be 3111 03:00:18,360 --> 03:00:21,990 learning lots more about Joe quitting and then we'll have we 3112 03:00:21,990 --> 03:00:25,620 got a nice three days before it will four days, I guess Monday, 3113 03:00:25,620 --> 03:00:28,860 Tuesday about three days. Until the next show. I'm looking 3114 03:00:28,860 --> 03:00:33,090 forward to it. Life is about to get super interesting. As if it 3115 03:00:33,090 --> 03:00:38,790 wasn't already. In the film mix. Chris Wilson DS laughs and Jesse 3116 03:00:38,790 --> 03:00:42,780 Coyne Nelson. Remember everybody? It's not a glitch. 3117 03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:48,090 propagate that formula. Up next on no agenda stream.com Troll 3118 03:00:48,090 --> 03:00:52,950 room.io And your modern podcast app unrelenting episode 122 3119 03:00:53,130 --> 03:00:56,430 CrowdStrike chaos coming to you from the heart that's X Hill 3120 03:00:56,430 --> 03:01:00,030 Country, Fredericksburg, Texas FEMA Region number six in the 3121 03:01:00,030 --> 03:01:02,040 morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry 3122 03:01:02,340 --> 03:01:05,610 John C Dvorak: in from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain 3123 03:01:05,610 --> 03:01:06,660 I'm John C. Dvorak. 3124 03:01:06,690 --> 03:01:10,200 Adam Curry: We'll see you here on Thursday. Remember us and no 3125 03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:13,800 agenda donations.com dvorak.org/and A 3126 03:01:13,800 --> 03:01:20,100 until then adios mofos Oui oui. And such blaming glitch and I 3127 03:01:20,100 --> 03:01:23,730 did this work in 10 minutes it wasn't that hard to find blame 3128 03:01:23,730 --> 03:01:25,860 John C Dvorak: it on the glitch. Yeah, well reporters don't hear 3129 03:01:26,130 --> 03:01:27,720 this kind of okay, here's a song I 3130 03:01:29,160 --> 03:01:31,200 Unknown: was gonna keep going with Interledger 3131 03:01:32,400 --> 03:01:35,250 John C Dvorak: said the song idea. Find this song It's 3132 03:01:35,250 --> 03:01:38,610 Michael Jackson blame it on the boogie to blame it on the 3133 03:01:38,610 --> 03:01:39,270 glitch. 3134 03:01:39,960 --> 03:01:41,520 Unknown: If you can't take that in, 3135 03:01:41,940 --> 03:01:43,170 I think it can be done 3136 03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:44,310 Adam Curry: it can be blamed on the button. 3137 03:01:45,780 --> 03:01:48,870 John C Dvorak: Now this sounds too similar. I can hear that 3138 03:01:48,870 --> 03:01:50,070 three rights and lyrics to get the 3139 03:01:50,070 --> 03:01:54,120 Unknown: rhymes right. Chris pop in another beer as we speak. To 3140 03:01:54,120 --> 03:01:59,070 blame it on the bass. Don't blame it on the law firm or 3141 03:02:00,420 --> 03:02:07,950 blame it on the glitch don't blame it on the law firm over 3142 03:02:09,000 --> 03:02:10,140 blame it on the glitch 3143 03:02:13,050 --> 03:02:16,170 guys becoming alcoholics and stealing stuff from the show. 3144 03:02:17,310 --> 03:02:18,210 Drunk don't worry about 3145 03:02:20,340 --> 03:02:23,790 read the article about the cost of connection the power of 3146 03:02:23,790 --> 03:02:27,240 podcast 2.0 is protection producing takes planning and 3147 03:02:27,240 --> 03:02:30,780 promotion provision that dimension to my father who had 3148 03:02:30,780 --> 03:02:34,020 an initial vision for all practical purposes they made a 3149 03:02:34,020 --> 03:02:37,110 decision if he doesn't win the peace process we'll look back 3150 03:02:37,110 --> 03:02:40,920 with revisions and now when that canard presented my membership, 3151 03:02:41,190 --> 03:02:44,910 we don't need a Costco card local plague is coming back to 3152 03:02:44,910 --> 03:02:48,120 your review paper by these cool pens and think tanks are to 3153 03:02:48,120 --> 03:02:51,390 combat the fact check and the journalists have been captured 3154 03:02:51,390 --> 03:02:54,900 in this aspect. There was something that conspiring to 3155 03:02:54,900 --> 03:02:58,680 silence the scientists a climate denier book column denialists Do 3156 03:02:58,680 --> 03:03:01,530 you believe with all your heart Are you a buyer and now you buy 3157 03:03:01,530 --> 03:03:05,490 in this general consensus science belies a liar or lie of 3158 03:03:05,490 --> 03:03:09,060 risk potentials and expertise the information dam is cracking 3159 03:03:09,060 --> 03:03:13,200 I mean come on please pause and centralize similar to Swiss 3160 03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:18,060 cheese. Centralized similar to Swiss cheese a eyes do and work 3161 03:03:18,060 --> 03:03:21,810 up in the sky generate of AGI overload the nation grid and 3162 03:03:21,810 --> 03:03:24,510 upgrade the power supply as Google's greenhouse gas 3163 03:03:24,510 --> 03:03:28,380 emissions bootie judge is making so many bonehead decisions 3164 03:03:28,440 --> 03:03:32,790 500,000 charging stations we got that one know someone who wanted 3165 03:03:32,790 --> 03:03:39,030 to make America needs to go down with AC renewable What's the 3166 03:03:39,030 --> 03:03:40,740 benefit of this energy? 3167 03:03:42,930 --> 03:03:45,420 Adam Curry: That's where we're going you don't need to have 3168 03:03:45,720 --> 03:03:48,690 don't need to have the biggest numbers don't need to be at the 3169 03:03:48,690 --> 03:03:51,990 top of the leaderboard or the rancor it's just not necessary. 3170 03:03:52,200 --> 03:03:53,190 In this new model. 3171 03:03:54,510 --> 03:03:55,980 Unknown: You're a mean one. 3172 03:03:58,440 --> 03:04:00,270 Glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch. 3173 03:04:00,930 --> 03:04:04,350 Frustrated target customers stuck in long lines when a 3174 03:04:04,350 --> 03:04:08,730 computer glitch caused problems at checkout. Taxpayers waited 3175 03:04:08,730 --> 03:04:11,760 till the last day to pay Uncle Sam may have suffered some 3176 03:04:11,850 --> 03:04:15,720 digital distress Tuesday. The US internal revenue services 3177 03:04:15,720 --> 03:04:19,020 computers were hit with a glitch hit up the midnight tax 3178 03:04:19,020 --> 03:04:19,590 deadline. 3179 03:04:20,010 --> 03:04:22,470 Did you guys get affected by this? I really want to know how 3180 03:04:22,470 --> 03:04:23,460 many people got affected by 3181 03:04:23,460 --> 03:04:25,020 the Facebook glitch in the past week. 3182 03:04:26,370 --> 03:04:27,810 You're a mean one. 3183 03:04:29,130 --> 03:04:32,100 John C Dvorak: Leaks, glitch glitch glitch glitch glitch 3184 03:04:32,100 --> 03:04:32,490 ditch 3185 03:04:32,910 --> 03:04:35,790 Unknown: technical glitch that caused chaos at London airports 3186 03:04:35,790 --> 03:04:39,570 on Friday has now been fixed and air traffic control systems are 3187 03:04:39,570 --> 03:04:41,700 returning to normal. They were 3188 03:04:41,700 --> 03:04:45,420 deployed longer than any other combat unit in Iraq and now 3189 03:04:45,420 --> 03:04:48,090 they're fighting the Pentagon over benefits. Their their 3190 03:04:48,090 --> 03:04:53,100 ployment orders were written for 729 days. That happens to be one 3191 03:04:53,100 --> 03:04:57,750 day short of the 730 days needed to qualify for benefits under 3192 03:04:57,750 --> 03:05:01,860 the GI Bill. Well tonight the The army is telling NBC News 3193 03:05:01,860 --> 03:05:05,280 they predict this glitch will be fixed and the guardsmen will be 3194 03:05:05,280 --> 03:05:07,110 eligible for those benefits. 3195 03:05:07,590 --> 03:05:10,140 John C Dvorak: But I think the big glitch, the major glitch, 3196 03:05:10,140 --> 03:05:14,040 the Whopper is going to supersede everything you said. 3197 03:05:14,220 --> 03:05:20,400 And that is the automated update of Windows Windows. That seems 3198 03:05:20,400 --> 03:05:21,870 down everything that 3199 03:05:30,750 --> 03:05:34,380 Unknown: oppo for.org/and 3200 03:05:36,420 --> 03:05:37,620 Thanks so much for being here.