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Adam Curry: Is Clippy on
steroids? Adam curry, John C.

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Devorah. It was November
23 2023. This Year Award winning

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UNH in media fascinating episode
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Unknown: This is no agenda

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Adam Curry: accepting
accelerationism broadcasting

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live from the heart of the
country here and FEMA Region

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number six in the morning
everybody I'm Adam curry in

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John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where everyone's

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watching Thanksgiving Day
Parade. I'm John C. Dvorak skill

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Adam Curry: which has been
interrupted by protesters.

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John C Dvorak: Did you see it? I
saw some clips of the

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protesters. The parade in
Washington parade on NBC which

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is not affiliated with blah blah
blah. I didn't see any gay

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anything

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Adam Curry: any any what any gay
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John C Dvorak: well, they're
supposed to be all these gay the

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big gays. No, no, no, no, no,
no,

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Adam Curry: this is the
Palestinian protesters. The gays

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are stayed home for the
Palestinians are

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John C Dvorak: supposed to be
gays incorporated into parade.

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That was like two days. I'm
sorry. Now gay trans is it's a

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different queers. different

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Adam Curry: careers for turkeys.

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John C Dvorak: All I knows I
didn't get to see much. No like

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me. Me who did the big giant
list today. Big

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Adam Curry: giant. The giant
list. Oh, the donation list. You

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mean? No.

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John C Dvorak: The list. The
meat is the meat. That giant?

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Well, she said it was a huge one
today. She's talking to me.

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Nevermind. A show.

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Adam Curry: Oh wow. Yes, yes.
Oh, oh. Anaconda. DeVore. Ack.

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Yes. Yes. What can we do for you

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John C Dvorak: stay calm. She
said you'd ever played the book

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anymore? Oh,

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Adam Curry: boy. Wow. She's
getting feisty. Yeah, well, it's

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never one of our one of our
producers plug the book just the

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other day and the meetup
segment, they were plugging it.

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Never plugged the book anymore
was sales are slacking off. And

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now she's like, she has to come
to the no agenda show to fix it.

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Hello. I didn't mean to insult
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John C Dvorak: said it. I said
we said it just to say hello. I

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didn't

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Adam Curry: mean to insult you.
Hey, hold on a second. Are you

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there? Yeah. Okay. Well, what
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John C Dvorak: We'll see. I may
have to switch networks.

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Adam Curry: Okay. Anyway, I
believe this is the first

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Thanksgiving that you and I have
celebrate together. We both have

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turkey calls.

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John C Dvorak: Oh, that's right.
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Adam Curry: both have a turkey
call. Where's your turkey? Call?

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Man?

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John C Dvorak: Good question.

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Adam Curry: Don't tell me don't
have your one day when you

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should be.

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John C Dvorak: I never thought
about it. Wow. Me

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Adam Curry: too busy worrying
about too many eggs.com. I mean,

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you go well, while you're
looking for that, in along the

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lines of your newsletter, which
was very good. As usual. I will

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play a clip from a from I
believe this to be a millennial

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aged woman in America. Looks
like. There you go. There you

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go. Looks like she's got a nice
little nice pad out there in the

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wilderness. She's just sitting
on a nice balcony. And she just

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doesn't believe in traditional
Thanksgiving. Oh, no.

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Unknown: Can we decolonize
Thanksgiving the same way we

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decolonized Columbus Day, can we
renamed thanksgiving to tribal

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nations Day, a day where we
still have dinner with our

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families or friends or for
babies. But we also have with

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Native Voices and native
businesses. And we learn the

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true history of tribal nations
within this country, and where

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we decolonize our landscapes and
plant native plants instead of

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invasive species. And that will
in turn, also support native

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wildlife and to decolonize our
foods and incorporate

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traditional foods from within
our area. I think all of this

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will help decolonize our spaces
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Adam Curry: our spaces. Why
can't we just have traditional

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like Thanksgiving? You know,
where we just all get together

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and we thank we give thanks.
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John C Dvorak: wants to make a
fuss? Yes. Everybody

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Adam Curry: does want to make a
fuss. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to

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tell everyone the true story of
Thanksgiving as you often do on

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this, this day of giving thanks?
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John C Dvorak: I wasn't prepared
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every year. There was a link to
the story in the newsletter from

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a previous newsletter, which I
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but it largely was kind of came
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Thanksgiving, it was always
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killed. And after the Civil War,
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would I think amounts to the
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the initial story is just bogus.
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festival. They had something
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couple of years, but not a whole
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false. Okay, and so I always
thought that it would be under

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pressure to be changed to
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Adam Curry: national tribe
betrayed tribal nations day has

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taken it a bit far. But see,

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John C Dvorak: the problem is
it's like a trip this

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Thanksgiving has become a
tradition. I think since the

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Depression. Yeah, and it has and
it gives you that extra the key

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is that extra Friday off, you
start Yes, that's what it's all

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about messing with thanksgiving,
you're messing with that extra

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day off and it could go the
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you're gonna lose a four day
holiday. We're in the middle of

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nowhere, which is really people
price. This is a big deal to get

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that that many days off for a
bogus holiday. Yes. And

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Adam Curry: it's always change
it. It's a difficult one,

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particularly for, for Americans
post COVID. Because, you know,

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we have to get together with our
families and families were split

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were ripped apart over divides
not just there's

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John C Dvorak: at least a year
or maybe two where you it was

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like illegal to have
Thanksgiving dinner because

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Adam Curry: you would kill
Grandma Grandma would be dead.

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So you know, we still have these
uncomfortable conversations.

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What are we going to talk about
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if it's politically there's
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and there was a lady who called
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was going to tell her relatives
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Unknown: Hi, how are you?
Morning? I have a couple of

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comments when it comes up at my
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will remind my family because
we're all dog lovers. I don't

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think Trump loves dogs. He's
always cutting down dogs and

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treating terrorists calling them
dogs. And anyone that has no

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compassion for animals is not on
my bucket list. So I'm going to

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remind them about that

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Adam Curry: Trump hates dogs.
Like it isn't it's not on my

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bucket list of you hate dogs.
Hey, lady, I was a dog hater for

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a long time have come around.
It's true. But I will say I'm

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very thankful this year
extremely thankful for no agenda

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nation. For the clip collector,
the clip custodian for bar end

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of show mixers, for artists for
our producers, yes, for every

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single producer who delivers
time, talent and treasure to the

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show. I'm grateful that we get
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giving of thanks. National
Tribal day, nation. Was it

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tribal nations day, First
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And of course, I'm thankful for
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mean, that I'm thankful for you.
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were shopping yesterday. We and
we know when we encounter so

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much. So what are you thankful
for this year? And it's it takes

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many people by surprise. What?
What? They haven't even thought

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about it. This is how deep we've
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country. And the people don't
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it? I'm thankful for Black
Friday, thankful for Cyber

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Monday, and they'll get me on
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Black Friday week, is Black
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mean, they have England has the
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Black Friday. But there was one
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Tim was buying, like a tree
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And we say it she says to the
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about 40 I'd say like 30 What
are you thankful for? I am just

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happy to be alive. I'm like,
yep, praise the Lord. Yes. She

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says because I had a heart
attack last year, like what just

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yet came out of nowhere. Tina
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yeah, no, I shouldn't have said
that. Uh, gee, I forgot. Hey,

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did you get the VAX? No, no, no,
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fantastic week as the Great
Awakening has begun. I already

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felt this was coming as I was
texting with taxi Eric, about

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the Dutch elections. And
Christina and my nephew both

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were saying, we're so sick of
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everything. I think Christina
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our country. They really have
nice unicorn dreams but we're

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sick of this. And they all voted
for feared builders

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Unknown: in the Netherlands. The
Dutch popular As to heat Villars

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for a landslide election win
tonight, and the latest far

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right victory across Europe.
Supporters celebrated this

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evening in The Hague, as
projections showed builder's

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anti Islam anti immigration
party winning the most seats in

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parliament. He called for a
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is the company of obey. Now the
campaign is over and the voters

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have spoken. And now we will
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with each other. From a
wonderful position with 35

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seats, we can no longer be
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Before the election, mainstream
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any talk of a coalition with
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Adam Curry: poor report from
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John C Dvorak: what do you
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I had to but it is interesting
how the other parties refused to

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have anything to do with him.
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Adam Curry: through, but that's
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John C Dvorak: well, good. This
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than I thought

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Adam Curry: the other so there
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Labour Party, they got together
and still couldn't get them

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nowhere near the amount of seats
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actually changed his message
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look, look like we he really
pull he dialed back the

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Islamophobic stuff, which he
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country. And Islam brings
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and said, All right, everybody
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Dutch. I'm here for all Dutch
people. And the VVD, which is

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the center right party. They
they got a new gal to run the

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show. And she said, you know, we
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builders. So now you have and
he's like, the far right.

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John C Dvorak: I mean, he's the
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Adam Curry: I got that too. But
let me just let me just tell

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you, I mean, so Europe is
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Oh, no, they're all gonna fall
far right? Oh, no, we're

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shocked. We're shocked. Of
course, LePen in France is like,

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Hey, this is good. But
everyone's got a shot now. Still

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work there. France is saying,
Oh, no, this is this is a

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problem. And they kind of
recognize that immigration is an

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issue. Scandinavia. Oh, far
right. islamophobe. But the this

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is, this is what he handily did.
The guy has been in Dutch

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politics for almost 25 years.
And he finally got his shot

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because it was time everybody
was sick. And the reason why the

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Dutch government fell the
cabinet fell is over immigration

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that people are waiting in
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country. You're waiting five
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to rent a home and incomes boop
boop boop Hey, I'm an asylum

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seeker. I'm taking your home
thanks government. So people

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were sick of it. Just a couple
of these clips is BBC News Hour

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had their typical slant

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Unknown: the first exit polls so
the Dutch general election are

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showing a commanding lead for
the far right populist anti

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immigrant Freedom party led by
here builders. The other main

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player in the ballot, former EU
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left green alliance to better
than predicted in the polis. Our

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correspondent Anna Halligan
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this lead for the Freedom party
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substantiated by early results?

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There's a lot to unpack there
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surpass, I think probably even
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Garrett fielder's Freedom Party
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what that means is not
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next Prime Minister of the
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given the first opportunity to
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government and we have had an
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has made a victory speech. And
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the other parties signaling he's
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wants to control the tsunami of
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for the party that they wanted,
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nervousness I would imagine in
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join him in a governing
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refuse to do that they will be
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the voice of the people when
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the population who voted for
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of Brussels, bear in mind, in
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Adam Curry: Oh, now he has a man
if he's not interesting, it's

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called a party program. But the
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John C Dvorak: disassociated
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these guys do in fact using the
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real sense he's a conservative
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is another associative term used
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and manifestos got you got your

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Communist Manifesto. Yes, it's
ridiculous report. And the same

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goes for by the way,
mispronouncing his name over and

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over and over again is also a
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Adam Curry: of course, and the
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we have the same thing happening
in Argentina. And he is by his

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own description of libertarian
which is forgive me if I get it

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wrong, but libertarian is not
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John C Dvorak: No and no I that
but it turns out according to

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I've been watching this too.
He's the first actual

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libertarian libertarian has ever
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libertarians usually don't get

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elected. No,

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Adam Curry: no, the Libertarians
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offense to them at all. But I
was always like, I'm a

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Republican, but I don't want to
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have my own family say to me
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because I'm not a member of any
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you're, you're a libertarian,
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John C Dvorak: What do you mean,
like claiming to be a

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libertarian for about a year?
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this does nothing, there is no,
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just a bull crap. moniker that
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this, I would call it like
Republicans who believe in get

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in it in abortion. So

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Adam Curry: the Dutch, someone
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the hat somewhere. It's a Dutch
Libertarian Party. Not that I

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would ever consider it but and
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and, and the leadership of the
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too controversial. Oh, why is he
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they're pussies. And I know I'm
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John C Dvorak: You know, there's
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to that conclusion. Well, that's
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Adam Curry: but do we call him a
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Unknown: a seismic political
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Argentina, as the far right
radical, outsider, an unknown

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political force, far right,
radical outsider, Chile has

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become elected president. Now
his supporters are flocking to

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this hotel, which has become his
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lecture, that causing

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the chanting his chanting
liberty, the name of his party

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is Liberty advances. They're
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solution to Argentina's chronic
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struggling at the moment with
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it means that 40% of the
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poverty line. He only became a
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Gillis, he's promising radical
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compared to Trump in the US. In
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dollar as the official currency
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close down the central bank and
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relaxing gun laws. Now, how much
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actually implement remains to be
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new, and he only has a fraction
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chamber and also a fraction of
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too. So he's gonna have to do a
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moment, these people here don't
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chance on this unknown
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be able to solve the country's
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Adam Curry: think PBS also had a
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they had this thing on him here.

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Unknown: Argentinian President
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his election when amidst a
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boy, MP samosa Wilton a party
today we turn the page on our

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history, and we return to the
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promising a new political era.
Bhakta

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stop this impoverished model of
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Adam Curry: What is his voice
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because then, you know,
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can. But it's very odd PBS.

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Adam Curry: I think he's doing
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bathroom somewhere doing this
voiceover hearing that you don't

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supporters filled the streets of
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malaise election that means an
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crises. Good luck. And

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I think this time Argentina
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I bet on this new proposal.

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Adam Curry: I'll just skip to
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him bored of it. But this was
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Unknown: Chris Kennedy once
Yeah, Florida, Malay also

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opposes abortion rights, wants
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gender and diversity and to
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then he also famously has for
cloned dogs created in a New

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York lab, whom he thanked when
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Thank you. I want to thank the
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Milton, Robert,

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and Lucas,

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a novice politician who has
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professions, oldest rules, if
you want a friend and politics,

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get a dog, or four,

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Adam Curry: I didn't know what
they were cloned dogs that he

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had. That's kind of weird. He
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John C Dvorak: So there's been
cloned dogs for a long time.

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Adam Curry: But the thing that I
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interesting was that me, my
daughter, and she, she's now in

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social services, she she works
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believe it or not. And then he
says he has a lot of lefties

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around. But not everybody.
They're sick of it. They're

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sick, sick, sick of it. They're
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of everything that's going on.
And I need to give him props.

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Jordan Peterson was on Bill
Maher. And for as much crap as

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we give him about this arc
outfit, he kind of nailed it

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Unknown: Well, this is but this
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mean, part of the reason that
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university campuses, too, is
because people have bought this

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idiot meta Marxism, which is
that the way to look at every

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social relationship that people
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power. And the that is we can
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of universities, as far as I'm
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marriage is a patriarchal
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nothing but oppression. And you
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situation that emerged
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oppressed. And then once you get
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two minutes, if you say that in
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sort of thing, you have a lens
to moralize about the whole

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world true. And then you see the
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morally righteous. And even more
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the victim, then you're morally
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you do with your own life. And
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university students are taught
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university classroom. And that's
how they, you know, orient

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themselves morally Well, and
that's at the hands of the

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radical left to Bill and one of
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have to pay the price for, I
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refusal to draw a line between
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extremist. They're completely
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I've talked to 40 senators and
congressmen in the last five

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years, I asked them all the same
question cluding RFK? He

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wouldn't answer either. When
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we certainly bloody well saw in
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Because they got the oppressor
oppressive narrative a little

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mocked up, we might say, and
we're gonna their consequences

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and how they're going to unfold
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John C Dvorak: She did nails
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Adam Curry: sure, now it's
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happening. And the big thing is
politically, like now people

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are, oh my god. I have these
really short little clips. Some

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some of these people took their
children I'm talking seven year

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olds seem like they were some
five year olds. They took them

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to Washington DC. stood them
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the camera put little cliffy A's
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in their Palestinian scarves.
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things. This Oh no, this is this
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John C Dvorak: when you say this
not gonna fold the next couple

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of months. I don't see it. It's
still going in the wrong

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direction. It's going to be
years before this is turned

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around. Well, well, you're just
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an example No,

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Adam Curry: no, I think what
we're seeing now the reason why

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they're going to have to turn
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but also Ukraine we'll get to
that is because when you have

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kids on the news doing this

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that's just but now listen to
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Biden Biden, why Do you say

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John C Dvorak: you say how many
kids have you killed today?

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Adam Curry: How many kids? Oh,
genocide

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John C Dvorak: Joe has got to
go. And that's another one

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Adam Curry: that's you know,
that's just kids who just the

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parents taught him this stuff.
But this kid caught by outside

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of the purview of his parents
has the quote of the day. Don't

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believe Joe Biden. That's your
future Democrat voter. It is

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Unbeliev Joe Biden ever. And
then you know, in Hollywood,

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Hollywood is messy.

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John C Dvorak: The kid even
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who Joe Biden is. Not Of course,
it's Perth. You're right. This

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is child abuse at his war at the
most extreme, yes.

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Adam Curry: And then you get
stuff like this

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Unknown: academy award winning
actress Susan Sarandon has been

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dropped from major Hollywood
agency Uta, following her

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comments that American Jews are
getting a taste of what it feels

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like to be a Muslim. And Her
comments come at a time America

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is seeing a rise in anti
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from the hit movies Thelma and
Louise, and you want her Oscar

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for dead man walking. But now
the internet is flooded with

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calls for Susan Sarandon to
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divisive rhetoric. She made the
comments that a pro Palestinian

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rally in New York City last
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There are a lot of people that
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Jewish at this time and are
getting a taste of what it feels

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like to be a Muslim.

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Adam Curry: And she was a top
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So it's falling apart. And then
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John C Dvorak: a minute stop
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recall this, but she actually
was originally for Trump for

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half a second. Well, until they
her peer group got on her. Yes.

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And then she

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Adam Curry: put a pussy hat on.
It was good to go. But we've

446
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also reached peak incubator they
have nothing left to do. There's

447
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no more propaganda. Once you're
here in

448
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Unknown: each of these
incubators, fragile, tiny lives,

449
00:27:13,410 --> 00:27:17,730
their babies are sick and
emaciated, born prematurely and

450
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even more vulnerable because
during those first crucial

451
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weeks, they were surrounded by
war. They evacuated first to

452
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southern Gaza from the embattled
they'll ship a hospital in the

453
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north on Monday to were reunited
with their mother. Today was the

454
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first time I was able to see my
daughter's 39 days after I gave

455
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birth. She says the feelings of
fear and worry and my emotional

456
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state was very difficult. The
twins were among the 28 Babies

457
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then evacuated to Egypt. A
freelance journalist working for

458
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CBC News took this video has
they left to receive urgent care

459
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so

460
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Adam Curry: they had all the
babies in the incubator out of

461
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the incubators incubator, I
mean, your peak incubator. So

462
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then all right, the phone call
goes out like bro, Bb, bro, we

463
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got to do something this You're
killing us over here, man.

464
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Unknown: After a grueling 46
days, the Israeli parliament has

465
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voted in favor of a hostage deal
with Hamas. Qatar has mediation

466
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along with Egypt and the US have
secured a short but crucial

467
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period of respite. It

468
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looks ahead to me this deal
could signal a change in the

469
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general atmosphere of this
conflict. This will be a break

470
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in the wave and we'll create a
new reality that may convince

471
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the Israelis that power doesn't
always achieve the desired

472
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results. And that sitting at a
negotiation table is better and

473
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can bring more practical results
for us. And for them, yeah, more

474
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than what they can gain from the
battlefield.

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Gonna deal promises some relief
for both sides. But Netanyahu

476
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has made it clear. This is only
temporary.

477
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But there is nonsense out there
as if after the ceasefire to

478
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return the hostages. We will
stop the war and I'd like to

479
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make it clear. We are at war and
we will continue the war until

480
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we achieve all our goals,
eliminate a mass return all the

481
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hostages and missing and
guarantee that there will be no

482
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threat to Israel in Gaza.

483
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Adam Curry: So they're there.
They're there already. They got

484
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it all set. There's nothing left
of Gaza is realized. They got

485
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the aid. They've played the
incubator card. He's done.

486
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John C Dvorak: What once you
play the incubator card, you're

487
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done. I mean,

488
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Adam Curry: especially when you
play it. I mean, that's like the

489
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aces of incubators. I mean,
that's just you're you're done

490
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:43,620
you're just it's there's not
there's no turning back at that

491
00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:48,420
point. It's so bad now that our
state depart this guy, this

492
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:52,590
State Department guy, he's no
good. Which one? Which one? The

493
00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:54,300
one who does the press
briefings?

494
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John C Dvorak: Is that is that
Jake Sullivan look like? Yeah,

495
00:29:58,260 --> 00:30:01,200
yeah, yeah, but he's not looks
like If you look at him, he

496
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,020
looks like a 1920 Silent
filmmaker.

497
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Adam Curry: Well, it would be
better if he didn't speak

498
00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:09,510
because he flubbed this one up
bad.

499
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Unknown: Whatever infrastructure
exists at a hospital under a

500
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hospital, no matter who put it
there, terrorists should not be

501
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using that infrastructure to
embed themselves underneath the

502
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civilian target, underneath a
civilian civilian hospital

503
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underneath a hospital that is
supposed to exist for the care

504
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of civilian civilian

505
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Adam Curry: targets. I mean,

506
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,870
Unknown: and making that using
that in that facility, shields

507
00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:36,360
homina, homina, homina Homina
separate issues and who might

508
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,820
have built whatever room it is
the former prime minister was

509
00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:39,990
referring to Yeah, have the
habit

510
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,220
Adam Curry: blah, blah. Now we
BB do something. You're killing

511
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:48,840
us. This is no good, but
Democrats, we don't look good,

512
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,240
man. We do not look good. And
then meanwhile, Ukraine is

513
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,420
really this is over. This is
over Richard Haass went on

514
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:06,930
Morning, Joe. And he wrote this
big article about the war and

515
00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:11,430
the end his Council on Foreign
Relations former shut was it was

516
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:16,050
the Secretary of Defense. He was
up there. He definitely was. On

517
00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:20,550
a second. Oh, wait a minute. He
was have him here. Then always

518
00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:21,870
Council on Foreign Relations,

519
00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:23,820
John C Dvorak: which you?
Definitely

520
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Adam Curry: the president of the
Council on Foreign Relations.

521
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:32,220
Yeah, he runs the place. Yeah.
Or he just stopped I think he he

522
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was in his visor. Up policy
planning for the Department of

523
00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:42,210
State adviser to Colin Powell.
When he was he

524
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John C Dvorak: was one of these
he was advisors like he

525
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:49,380
basically what he is still ahead
as CFR is an advisor but the

526
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:53,280
only thing is really looks like
he did anything for crap was the

527
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,420
was the special envoy for
Northern Ireland. The rest of it

528
00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:01,380
is pretty much all cons on
Foreign Relations. So he has

529
00:32:01,380 --> 00:32:05,220
like he won the Presidential
Citizens Medal. I'd like to know

530
00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:06,270
but okay, so he's

531
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Adam Curry: written an article
that is basically end the war in

532
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,940
Ukraine. Now, you co wrote

533
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:14,340
Unknown: a new piece this
morning for Foreign Affairs

534
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:20,910
entitled a new strategy must
balance means and ends. Explain

535
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:25,320
your concern, especially as the
White House is managing wars on

536
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,480
two completely different fronts

537
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:30,990
will make it the White House is
managing two wars. But in both

538
00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:33,840
of them, I would say we're
increasingly at odds with our

539
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560
allies and partners, we just
talked previous hour about their

540
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:41,640
differences with Israel, about
how the wars being fought and

541
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,610
about what comes after. In
Ukraine, I think we've got a

542
00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:48,390
real problem where there's
simply an enormous gap between

543
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:52,680
what the goals are of the of the
of the policy and what the

544
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,660
realities are. The idea that
Ukraine is going to militarily

545
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liberate all the land that
Russia occupies approximately

546
00:33:00,570 --> 00:33:04,560
20% of their territory. It's
laudable, I support it, it's

547
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,640
just not going to happen.

548
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:09,510
Adam Curry: Well, this is a
change. It's just not going to

549
00:33:09,510 --> 00:33:15,240
happen. And then he explains why
and what should be done. And, of

550
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,740
course, it's time to rebuild. We
need to get the dollars flowing

551
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:23,310
to rebuild Ukraine. We got to
get this thing going people

552
00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:25,110
there's money, how long

553
00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:27,900
Unknown: to our allies in Europe
who've all done? I think,

554
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:31,620
together, NATO has done an
extraordinary job. How much

555
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:40,230
longer do we continue pushing? I
think, what what many people in

556
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:44,250
Pentagon would think see
unrealistic goal of Ukraine

557
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:48,990
driving every last Russian out
of out of their country.

558
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:52,740
It's exactly the right.
Question, Joe. And what concerns

559
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me is when people get this
solution and increasingly come

560
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:59,610
to the way you were, you and I
are that Oh, desirable as it is

561
00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:02,550
simply not feasible. They're
going to increasingly sandwich

562
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:04,080
house we're hearing I'm

563
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,180
John C Dvorak: sorry. I think
Scarborough's is

564
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,700
Adam Curry: obviously a far
Yeah, yeah. But it puts him and

565
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,910
put Scarborough squarely in the
stop the war can

566
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:12,839
Unknown: increasingly come to
the

567
00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:15,360
John C Dvorak: EU. And I was
telling him

568
00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:18,150
Adam Curry: yeah, this is the
message, Joe, this is where we

569
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are right, Joe?

570
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Unknown: as desirable as it is.
It's simply not feasible.

571
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They're going to increasingly
say, and we're hearing it in the

572
00:34:25,410 --> 00:34:28,200
house, we're hearing in parts of
Europe, why should we keep doing

573
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,600
this? We're already stretched
for trying to support Israel,

574
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we're worried about Taiwan. And
even if we give everything we

575
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:38,040
need to give or want to give to
Ukraine, it still won't lead to

576
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,790
success. What I argued,
therefore, is the United States

577
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:45,300
needs to have some very direct
conversations with Ukraine with

578
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:49,020
President Solinsky talking about
reducing their emphasis on

579
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liberating land increasingly put
all their emphasis on holding on

580
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to what they've got.

581
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Adam Curry: Be happy with what
you God's the landscape just you

582
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:01,110
can look you got 8% is Good is
good. You

583
00:35:01,110 --> 00:35:03,060
John C Dvorak: know, you might
have stumbled onto something

584
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:09,300
here. This guy as the head of
CFR went on to shows possibly to

585
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:14,700
turn Joe around, boom,
specifically 45 seconds left

586
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:16,920
Unknown: here, in the long run
diplomatically through

587
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,040
sanctions, yes, we can try to
see the rest of their territory

588
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,370
return. But for right now, let's
have 80% of this country save

589
00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:27,600
80% of this country, rebuilt, I
would actually rebuild the

590
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,570
ceasefire as an interim
arrangement to expose the

591
00:35:30,570 --> 00:35:34,800
Russians for what they are so we
can rebuild support for Ukraine

592
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,330
in this country. But we've had
two fighting seasons, the idea

593
00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:42,180
that one or two or three more
years of this is going to result

594
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in success. I simply don't see
it. Russia is on a war footing.

595
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They have access also to arms
from North Korea and Iran. So I

596
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:52,890
just think anytime in foreign
policy anytime in life, there's

597
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:55,980
a big gap between what you're
trying to Enlai your ability to

598
00:35:55,980 --> 00:36:00,150
do it, you've either got a crush
or mines or low goals. And I

599
00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:03,990
think here the only realistic
option as a tactical measure, is

600
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to lower our goals. And

601
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Adam Curry: right on cue, the G
20 brings back Vladimir

602
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:13,200
Unknown: was the first G 20
summit Vladimir Putin has

603
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,700
joined, albeit remotely since
the 2022. Ukraine conflict. In a

604
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,460
virtual meeting with world
leaders on Wednesday, the

605
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:23,910
Russian president softened his
usual hostile tone, referring to

606
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:27,150
the conflict as a tragedy. And
even at one point, using the

607
00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:30,390
word war to describe Russia's
full scale invasion of Ukraine,

608
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instead of his preferred term of
special military operation.

609
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:34,920
colleagues

610
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have already said in their
speeches, that they are shocked

611
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:41,730
by the ongoing aggression of
Russia in Ukraine. And we must

612
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:44,880
think about how to stop this
tragedy. By the way, because

613
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:49,020
Russia has never refused peace
negotiations with Ukraine. It's

614
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:52,860
not Russia and Ukraine that has
publicly announced that it's

615
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:55,830
withdrawing from the negotiation
process. This is

616
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Adam Curry: he's signaling he's
like, Okay, I hear you CFR,

617
00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:04,410
we're good. But all we ever
wanted was that 20% Now, that's

618
00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:07,500
our that's our turf. And cried
me, yeah, you're not getting

619
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:11,370
that back. No, that's for sure.
Yeah. So be happy with it.

620
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:13,320
Volodymyr McGregor was

621
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John C Dvorak: on what his
normal talk show that he keeps

622
00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:18,120
showing up on coughing
constantly.

623
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,000
Adam Curry: I should probably
Oh, that's not good. Well, he's

624
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,120
John C Dvorak: coffee. Yes, but
then he I'm watching him. And

625
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,860
He's coughing coughing, and I
any pull. Um, this is a I'm

626
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:32,490
gonna throw out a pro tip for
all you podcasters and wannabes.

627
00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:38,250
Here we go. He picks up a glass
of ice water with ice cubes in

628
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:42,960
it and takes a big swig because
He's coughing so much. If you

629
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:49,140
have an issue coughing, you want
tepid water tepid and not ice

630
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:52,800
water makes you cough more tepid

631
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,650
Adam Curry: is the word of the
day. Can you use epic in

632
00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:56,460
essentially what

633
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:59,640
John C Dvorak: tepid water
tepid? You keep drinking? I

634
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,390
mean, I drink cold soda on this
show and I'll start coughing

635
00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:06,720
near the end. Yes, but I know
better I just haven't delight

636
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:10,800
for it. But when I saw him and
he kept picking his glass of

637
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,440
iced water up and causing more
noise and it was terrible.

638
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:18,840
McGregor McGregor made the
conclusion that our side what

639
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,130
the Washington side is very
funny clip. Our side is so

640
00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:26,070
incompetent that we're the ones
that are preventing anything

641
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:30,120
from ending in Ukraine because
we've got nobody that can even

642
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,110
admit that we're wrong or can do
any negotiating it's a mess. And

643
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:38,700
so he predicts the worst he
doesn't see an ending like Haas

644
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,060
would like to see it because our
site is got a bunch of

645
00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:44,070
Boneheads. Well

646
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:46,500
Adam Curry: then because it's
Thanksgiving, all of a sudden

647
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:49,830
the candy Navia shows up with
some good news. One of our

648
00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:52,830
producers got this one through
to me. It looks like to

649
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:59,820
conservatives in in the Canadian
Parliament caught caught a fast

650
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:06,210
one being pulled, which may have
been one of the or it may still

651
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:10,380
be one of the intended uses for
Ukraine. Because you know,

652
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:13,560
Ukraine is going to be very
useful. It's gonna be useful for

653
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,840
a while it's still going to be
great for money laundering, it's

654
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,530
still going to be great for
crime for cybercrime. It's still

655
00:39:19,530 --> 00:39:23,460
going to be fantastic for
hookers and drugs. You know it

656
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:26,220
now it'll be more controlled.
It'll be controlled by whoever

657
00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:30,690
ultimately controls Volodymyr.
But a fast one was pulled

658
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:32,880
Unknown: but also in Ottawa.
There was heated debate today in

659
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,090
the House of Commons on the
updated candidate Ukraine Free

660
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:39,000
Trade Agreement. The
Conservatives voted on this

661
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:41,670
against the new legislation this
week and leader Pierre Paul you

662
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:45,660
have said the bill imposes a
carbon tax on the people of

663
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:46,140
Ukraine.

664
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:49,710
Adam Curry: Pathological
obsession these liberals have

665
00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:54,480
with carbon taxes has now
reached a level where it is safe

666
00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:59,970
to impose their destructive
carbon tax on the people. If

667
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Ukraine to

668
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Unknown: turn down a free trade
agreement with a beacon of

669
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democracy like Ukraine. What is
up with that party?

670
00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:10,230
That's what Canadians want to
know. And this carbon tax

671
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:12,120
excuse, no one's buying

672
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:16,320
helped me understand this free
trade legislation, free trade

673
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,950
deals. They're mutually
negotiated. For pure polyester

674
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is saying that Canada is
imposing a carbon tax on Ukraine

675
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,910
while they have a knife to their
throat. What's the truth of

676
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this?

677
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Okay, just a note, of course, I

678
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work with whatnot for the
Ukraine.

679
00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:35,880
It's the point here being that
is a scene that's peculiar and

680
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,840
kind of disappointing
interpretation. The fact is that

681
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yes, this was a mutually
negotiated agreement. And that

682
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it simply says that both sides
will consult on and promote the

683
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idea of carbon pricing,

684
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Adam Curry: which is the most
important thing they will need

685
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:57,780
to get a price on carbon they've
been trying this for a decade.

686
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And the and it sounds longer.
Well that we've really been

687
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:08,700
aware of it this longer carbon
pricing. So Good one, good one

688
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:13,230
tried to do some carbon pricing,
get it get a price on carbon. By

689
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:15,960
the way, just before we slip
away from the pressure on

690
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,190
genocide, Joe

691
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John C Dvorak: Welby, I think I
have a Ukraine clip. Okay. Yeah,

692
00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:25,860
yeah. Sure. You got what you're
buying them? Like I was saying

693
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:26,340
them like,

694
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Adam Curry: okay, bang away.

695
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:30,120
John C Dvorak: Do I have a
Ukraine?

696
00:41:31,470 --> 00:41:32,250
Adam Curry: Ukraine clip?

697
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,340
John C Dvorak: No, I'm mad at
Ukraine clips. Well, I have one

698
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:36,840
for Sunday. Well,

699
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:38,760
Adam Curry: because you sent me
an article, put it in the show

700
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,430
notes and I found another one.
Because APEC AIPAC is also

701
00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:47,490
leaning heavily on the Democrat
party in America.

702
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:52,740
John C Dvorak: Yay, Pac. You
mean, the Arab Israeli American

703
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:57,000
Israeli AIPAC as opposed to
AIPAC, the meet up that you just

704
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:57,540
had in San

705
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:00,690
Adam Curry: Francisco? That's
APEC. No, this is a PAC, the

706
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:06,210
American Israel Public Affairs
Committee. Right. So they, they

707
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:10,860
pretty much got a Republican in
Michigan, but kicking the

708
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:14,550
Democrat out, and why because
the Democrat was like, Oh, I

709
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:20,670
like AOC. The squad's cool,
they're great. Boom. So the

710
00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:24,180
Democrats out the Republicans in
and now and this is Oh, this

711
00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:27,810
this just came through on Yahoo.
This is horrible. AIPAC seeks to

712
00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:31,680
unseat Congressional Black
Caucus members over Israel.

713
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:39,000
John C Dvorak: They get money.
Yes. So in the wherewithal, they

714
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,160
have people that know how to do
marketing.

715
00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:44,820
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, that's I
mean, these all these

716
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:47,040
politicians own fault, then
they're not they don't work for

717
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,530
the people. They don't talk to
the people. They talk to money.

718
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:53,370
Yeah, and the parties. Oh, I
need a million dollars to be on

719
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:54,690
a committee. It's also

720
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,360
John C Dvorak: corrupt. Yeah,
we've we haven't talked about

721
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,200
that for years. Well, it's true.
If you know it is true. You have

722
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,170
to pay to be the if you're the
chairman of a major committee,

723
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:08,220
you have to pay your party.
Millions of dollars.

724
00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:10,590
Adam Curry: So you have to be
raising millions of dollars all

725
00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:15,720
the time. Otherwise the you have
no power, no influence. It's

726
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:20,280
also cynical. So we need to we
need one of those melee guys are

727
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,960
a feared builders. Wait, we have
one Trump, the Dutch Trump. We

728
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,980
got the American Trump.

729
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:29,490
John C Dvorak: Who do we have
the American Trump yet well,

730
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:29,760
they

731
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,090
Adam Curry: are freaked out
about the American Trump. The

732
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:39,150
end the best Trump hate is
coming from MSNBC. Without a

733
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:44,520
doubt it's fantastic. Well,
let's just stay with the with

734
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,040
the with the Jew hate. Jen Psaki
trying out a new hairdo, which

735
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,520
is not working. She's trying to
flip flip, flip up flip downs

736
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,610
like flippy curls look just like
an idiot. Yes, she does. You're

737
00:43:59,610 --> 00:44:04,350
right. Nailed it. And she had on
the governor of Illinois, who

738
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:08,460
streets are filled with
genocide, Joe protesters. But

739
00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:13,860
she's great Pritzker, the Jewish
himself to come on and talk

740
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:16,590
about you know, because you
know, Trump is clearly Adolf

741
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:19,200
Hitler. We just got to go back
to that mean, bring it back.

742
00:44:19,230 --> 00:44:21,210
Unknown: The migrant crisis,
though, is front and center for

743
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:23,700
a lot of people in this country
on the border, but also states

744
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:27,930
like Illinois. Are you worried
that his talk tough approach is

745
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:30,690
going to be appealing to some
people in the country? Jen, you

746
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:34,440
know, I lead the building of a
Holocaust Museum.

747
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:39,660
Adam Curry: We built a Holocaust
Museum ladies, what to do with

748
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:42,660
Trump. That just shows he's a
good Jew have

749
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:46,800
Unknown: a Holocaust Museum. The
rhetoric that's being used by

750
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,100
Donald Trump, the rhetoric
that's being used by some of the

751
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:55,950
Magga extremists is rhetoric
that was used in the 1930s in

752
00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:56,190
when

753
00:44:56,190 --> 00:44:59,190
Adam Curry: you call when you
call people from a political

754
00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:03,240
party extreme remember is that
not by itself rhetoric that has

755
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,880
been used throughout dictatorial
and

756
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,370
John C Dvorak: the 30s from
Hitler 30s from Islam is more

757
00:45:08,370 --> 00:45:09,510
like Hitler than Trump.

758
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:15,119
Unknown: Maga extremists is
rhetoric that was used in the

759
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:21,449
1930s. In Germany. I am very
concerned about the direction of

760
00:45:21,449 --> 00:45:25,199
the country. If we see policies
like what Donald Trump is

761
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,319
espousing come to light for our
country.

762
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:32,430
I think you're referencing in
part. He used the word, vermin.

763
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:38,070
Adam Curry: He used the word
vermin. And by the way, Trump

764
00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:42,720
does this purposefully. And as
we call nom, yum, yum, yum.

765
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:44,970
There's their sucky taking the
bait,

766
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:49,890
Unknown: just recently to
describe who he was targeting as

767
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:52,110
one of the leading Jewish
governors in the country. I

768
00:45:52,110 --> 00:45:53,580
mean, what did you eat it when
you heard

769
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:55,830
John C Dvorak: that? What Wait,
did she say one of the douche

770
00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:56,430
governors?

771
00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:00,330
Adam Curry: Yes. She said one of
the Yeah, she said one of the

772
00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:02,340
leading douche Governors of the
country?

773
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:07,500
Unknown: Well, it's just one in
a long series of remarks, words

774
00:46:07,650 --> 00:46:11,670
that Donald Trump has used that
are unfortunately reminiscent

775
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:15,840
of, you know, the past? Yes. Let
me just be clear,

776
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:19,350
Adam Curry: very, very
reminiscent of the past, in

777
00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:20,040
Germany

778
00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:24,180
Unknown: in the 1930s people
that they didn't want to have

779
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:30,150
power people that they wanted to
separate and segregate. They

780
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:33,810
began calling them immigrants,
even people who were has been

781
00:46:33,810 --> 00:46:35,970
injured that began calling them
immigrants.

782
00:46:36,930 --> 00:46:37,470
Adam Curry: Yeah, what does

783
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:40,980
John C Dvorak: she read? Is he
redesigning the whole world war

784
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:45,090
two scenario here? Yes. And the
immigrants bull crap. This is

785
00:46:45,090 --> 00:46:45,900
not true.

786
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:49,410
Adam Curry: Remember, he led the
building of the Holocaust

787
00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:50,310
Museum. So

788
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:52,470
Unknown: then he must be right.
Yeah, they began calling them

789
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:56,220
immigrants. Even people who were
had been in Germany for

790
00:46:56,250 --> 00:47:02,280
generations, Jews who were
doctors, lawyers in government,

791
00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:06,660
at the time, became known as
immigrants, even though they

792
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:10,740
were German. And this is a way
to begin to segregate people.

793
00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:13,950
And then eventually, at least
what happened in Germany is that

794
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:18,330
they turned it into a way to
almost dehumanize almost, and

795
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:21,420
then they did in fact dehumanize
by calling them vermin and kill

796
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:25,380
people. I don't know where it's
going. With Donald Trump. What I

797
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:28,710
can tell you is the things that
he talks about are frightening

798
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:33,240
to those of us who know the
history of Europe in the 1930s

799
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,370
and 40s. And now,

800
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:37,920
Adam Curry: could this be
anything like calling people

801
00:47:38,610 --> 00:47:41,880
calling for people to die if
they if they want to go to the

802
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,600
hospital to have a heart attack?
Because the unvaccinated people

803
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,840
who don't wear masks telling
them to just die? Is that kind

804
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:53,130
of is that similar to what he's
saying here? Just other reaction

805
00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:55,860
that way, because I think he
pretty much did that.

806
00:47:56,490 --> 00:47:58,650
John C Dvorak: He did. Yeah,
totally. Cuz he basically said,

807
00:47:58,650 --> 00:48:02,130
if you don't get vaccinated, you
die. Yes. This guy by the way,

808
00:48:02,220 --> 00:48:06,390
this Pritzker guy is really the
scum of the earth.

809
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:09,630
Adam Curry: Oh, this whole
family is horrible. And you said

810
00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:12,630
scum of the earth, your family,
you know, what you just said is

811
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:15,630
reminiscent of the 1930s. You
called? Yeah. Well, the earth,

812
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:18,570
John C Dvorak: I think is
reminiscent of an old novel. I

813
00:48:18,570 --> 00:48:19,800
read his brother,

814
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:24,300
Adam Curry: his brother, I'm
sorry. Now Sr. is at the base of

815
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:26,490
this whole trans Maoist
movement.

816
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,580
John C Dvorak: Because they're
the people that are funding much

817
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:33,150
of it. Yes. Yes. And his

818
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:36,090
Adam Curry: that's anti semitic.
By the way, you just called a

819
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:39,450
Jew, someone who's funding
something bad, John, bad, bad

820
00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:39,960
bad.

821
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:45,330
Unknown: predilection for
revenge. And what that will mean

822
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:46,650
for you know,

823
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,050
Adam Curry: groups of
predilection for revenge, this

824
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:49,830
is the problem

825
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:53,850
Unknown: that didn't support
him. That sounds to me like he

826
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:55,470
gets elected. What

827
00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:57,570
Adam Curry: is going on here?
And here's the next clip from

828
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:03,900
morning, Joe. Again, the the
established the state's let's

829
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,290
just call the state and it will,
it's not necessarily Democrats,

830
00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:11,670
it's the it's people in
agencies, the people who have

831
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:15,570
corrupted this country, our
country have corrupted it. They

832
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:18,810
are afraid because they know not
now there's too much is out

833
00:49:18,810 --> 00:49:22,770
there. We've seen the Twitter
files, you know, we understand

834
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:26,970
fake news, no agenda, but
everyone listens to no agenda.

835
00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:30,780
And wow, that boy, that's all
crap. You know, we're kind of

836
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:33,840
part of the problem. But now
they're all worried that Donald

837
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,050
Trump will come in and is going
to hang them. Do

838
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:41,370
Unknown: you want to be fair,
then you will frame this as Joe

839
00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:45,060
Biden being the candidate that
supports American democracy, and

840
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:48,210
Donald Trump, a candidate who
supports a new form of

841
00:49:48,210 --> 00:49:52,050
government hear this
authoritarian, a new it's a new

842
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:52,440
form

843
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,660
Adam Curry: of government, a new
form of government,

844
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:57,360
authoritarian, it's a new form
it's never been done before

845
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:57,750
managed

846
00:49:57,750 --> 00:50:00,270
John C Dvorak: to do that with
with the powers that With the

847
00:50:00,270 --> 00:50:03,840
way that things are balanced of
powers Well, we saw we have set

848
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,320
up in this country with the
justice and the legislator and

849
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,650
the executive branches, the
three branches. How does that

850
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:14,010
work? How can that even be done?
We saw him I mean, I don't

851
00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:18,510
understand this. All I see we go
on the mat, the counter Mastodon

852
00:50:18,510 --> 00:50:21,840
me not our Mastodon, but you
listen to the other guys. The

853
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,900
other side, they're all the
lefties who have quit Twitter in

854
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,590
a huff. And all they do is say
the same thing that the is the

855
00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:31,470
end of democracy is the end of
this is the end of that if Trump

856
00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:35,220
gets in, but the system won't
allow Trump to do much, as you

857
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:37,890
saw the last time he was in how
did that work

858
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,550
Adam Curry: when he had four
changed? No, the only thing he

859
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:44,850
did was defend himself against
Russian allegations most the

860
00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:48,090
time he wasn't able to do much.
Well, I guess that was good work

861
00:50:48,090 --> 00:50:49,530
everybody. Government

862
00:50:49,530 --> 00:50:52,350
Unknown: here, this
authoritarian. It's really that

863
00:50:52,350 --> 00:50:56,250
simple. And by the way, it's
really that simple. It's that

864
00:50:56,250 --> 00:51:01,290
simple. Oh, you can't compare
leaders. Listen

865
00:51:01,290 --> 00:51:04,560
Adam Curry: to mica she's she's
like doing callbacks on the

866
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,000
side. She's like, like she's
really respond. common response.

867
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:09,360
Yes.

868
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,680
John C Dvorak: Black church.
Yes. It's

869
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,990
Unknown: really that simple. And
by the way, wherever now, when

870
00:51:12,990 --> 00:51:14,970
people go, Oh, you can't compare

871
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,080
Adam Curry: leaders like diamond
and silk get comparing

872
00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:23,100
Unknown: this past Nazi leader
or that past fascist leader,

873
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,780
because he hasn't done that.
Well. What hasn't He done? He

874
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:33,150
hasn't done the things that the
American judicial system did not

875
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:38,970
allow him to Yes, last time, may
very well allow him to do this

876
00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:40,530
time or what?

877
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,560
Adam Curry: So it didn't happen
last time. But it's gonna happen

878
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,450
this time. A judicial

879
00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:49,260
Unknown: system that will be
ignored by Donald Trump. Oh, ran

880
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:50,850
over by Donald Trump. Do

881
00:51:50,850 --> 00:51:53,430
Adam Curry: you mean like all
the executive orders Joe Biden

882
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:56,100
did the minute he came into
office like that

883
00:51:56,130 --> 00:51:58,980
Unknown: to create the greatest
constitutional crisis of our

884
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:03,690
lifetimes? Because he hasn't
done it yet. Doesn't mean he

885
00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:09,390
won't do it. When he gets a
chance to do it. And logic

886
00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:09,600
because

887
00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:13,170
Adam Curry: it gets better. It
gets better, doesn't

888
00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:17,490
Unknown: mean he won't do it,
when he gets a chance to do it.

889
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:21,720
And if he has voted into office,
then a lot of these people that

890
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:24,780
are talking about literal or
figurative or whatever the hell

891
00:52:24,780 --> 00:52:30,480
they're saying, You gotta look
like idiots. Because he will do

892
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:36,780
he will get away with he will
imprison he will execute through

893
00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:38,070
whatever he's

894
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,190
Adam Curry: allowed. He's gonna
execute people he's gonna kill

895
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:42,900
they're gonna hang them who in
prison

896
00:52:42,990 --> 00:52:49,290
Unknown: gilia teens execute.
Drive from the country. Just

897
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,030
look at his past.

898
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:52,890
Adam Curry: Yeah, where he
executed everybody.

899
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,230
John C Dvorak: He had a gun,
pulled it out and shot him in

900
00:52:55,230 --> 00:52:56,340
the Oval Office. He

901
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:59,790
Adam Curry: didn't even lock up
Hillary Clinton. Come on. He

902
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:03,780
John C Dvorak: didn't even right
he's Hillary go without any

903
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:05,220
issue at all. But

904
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:08,610
Adam Curry: then then come this
my final trump hate clip. But

905
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:13,350
then comes the now this is kind
of dangerous when you start

906
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:18,270
saying this stuff. But just
imagine if if a maga Republican

907
00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:21,120
had said this. This is
representative Daniel Goldman,

908
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,730
who I believe is from
California. He's Goldman from

909
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:25,620
California. I don't know we have

910
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:26,790
John C Dvorak: hundreds.
Alright, so

911
00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:29,160
Unknown: there's been so much
speculation contemplation,

912
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,370
discussion of what Trump wanted
to do discussion, contemplation,

913
00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:35,310
what he knew or didn't know. I
mean, do you think as a

914
00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:38,070
prosecutor repressor this is
something that could be useful

915
00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:41,010
in the case against Trump? How
will be used? Yeah,

916
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,770
well, I mean, look, he says it
would be well received, because

917
00:53:43,770 --> 00:53:47,070
he knows that the people who
were there are his supporters

918
00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:51,780
who he riled up and incited to
invade and riot at the Capitol

919
00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:54,870
and tried to disrupt the proper
counting of the Electoral

920
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:59,190
College votes. So every time he
talks, he's putting himself into

921
00:53:59,190 --> 00:54:03,360
a bigger criminal hole. But but
that's not his objective. His

922
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,650
objective is purely political at
this point. Politics don't work

923
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:10,080
in a courtroom, as I think he's
finding out in the New York

924
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,710
Attorney General's case in New
York, a civil case and that's

925
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:16,200
going to continue in his
criminal trials. But his

926
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,160
rhetoric is really getting
dangerous, more and more

927
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,360
dangerous who saw what happened
on January 6, when he uses

928
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,230
inflammatory red

929
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:27,690
Adam Curry: when he told
everybody to stop it when he

930
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:31,590
said peaceful Don't Don't do
anything crazy. That rhetoric is

931
00:54:31,590 --> 00:54:35,100
we saw what happened when he was
please please don't do it happen

932
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:35,220
on

933
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:39,690
Unknown: January 6, when he uses
inflammatory rhetoric now and

934
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:45,930
his recent true social post is
incredibly incredibly scary for

935
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:52,110
anyone that might be trying to
work in government. Because

936
00:54:52,350 --> 00:54:53,790
Adam Curry: I don't know he's
because it's not really

937
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,110
Unknown: incredibly because he's
projecting is really what's

938
00:54:58,110 --> 00:55:03,600
going on incredibly scary for or
anyone that might be trying to

939
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,890
work in government.

940
00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:08,460
Adam Curry: He that's
interesting trying to he was

941
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:12,300
gonna say operate. But then he
said working government I don't

942
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,030
know maybe the lifestyle was
weird you're right

943
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:19,920
Unknown: is incredibly,
incredibly scary for anyone that

944
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:24,870
might be trying to work in
government and it is just

945
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:30,570
unquestionable at this point
that that man cannot see public

946
00:55:30,570 --> 00:55:35,340
office again he is not only
unfit, he is destructive to our

947
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:39,750
democracy. And he has to be, he
has to be eliminated.

948
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,000
eliminated, eliminated, there

949
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,130
John C Dvorak: is a threat that
the secret server should look

950
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:48,360
into. It's

951
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:54,450
Adam Curry: Trump. You can say
whatever you want. I do you see

952
00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:58,680
my bid on Psaki. I said Trump
should be eliminated. Hey, touch

953
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,010
me.

954
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,690
John C Dvorak: So crazy. I only
have to Trump clips which are

955
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:08,640
base clips about the winner
freaking out over his numbers

956
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,330
going up.

957
00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:14,850
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Oh, no. His
numbers are going up this NTD

958
00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:18,720
Unknown: Yeah, get another win
for former President Trump and a

959
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,020
major poll of Trump's
presidential campaign has been a

960
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:25,320
success so far. Congress,
meanwhile is a bit less

961
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,620
successful. Dozens of lawmakers
are resigning some out of

962
00:56:28,620 --> 00:56:32,610
frustration. Entities area and
pasture brings you an election

963
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,210
update.

964
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:36,510
Former President Trump is
widening his lead over President

965
00:56:36,510 --> 00:56:40,230
Biden in a hypothetical 2024
matchup. That's according to the

966
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:43,950
prominent Emerson College Poll.
In November last year, the poll

967
00:56:43,950 --> 00:56:48,810
found that Biden was leading
over Trump with 45 to 41%. A

968
00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:53,610
month ago Trump was leading with
47 to 45%. Now Trump's lead

969
00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:58,770
increased by two points to 47 to
43%, Biden took a big hit in

970
00:56:58,770 --> 00:57:03,060
support among minorities, losing
a total of 26 percentage points

971
00:57:03,060 --> 00:57:06,180
over the last year. Meanwhile,
at Congress, California

972
00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:09,000
representative and assured this
week announced that she's

973
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,870
stepping down after three
decades. So far over 30

974
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:15,360
lawmakers this year announced
that they're not seeking

975
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,680
reelection. This comes after too
exhausting House Speaker races

976
00:57:19,890 --> 00:57:23,250
to near government shutdowns and
multiple attempts to impeach

977
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,240
censor or expel officials and
all that while Congress is still

978
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,810
in its first session. Various
lawmakers are disappointed with

979
00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:33,780
the way things are going on the
hill. Representative Earl

980
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:37,320
Blumenauer, who has been in
Congress for over 25 years told

981
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,160
Punchbowl news it's insane and
it adds no value to my life. The

982
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,620
things I care about, I can do
better not here.

983
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:48,840
Adam Curry: Mr. NTD are the
Chinese just making the AI

984
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,750
people now? This guy very
robotic read?

985
00:57:52,020 --> 00:57:54,390
John C Dvorak: You see these
guys and they're they don't look

986
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:57,600
like they sound? That's what's
weird about it. Well,

987
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,670
Adam Curry: it's it's definitely
I mean,

988
00:57:59,670 --> 00:58:02,550
John C Dvorak: it's exciting.
This is diversity in action.

989
00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,130
This is true diversity is kind
of off putting Why should

990
00:58:05,130 --> 00:58:06,390
everyone sound like the same

991
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:10,260
Adam Curry: guy. Okay, but it's,
it sounds like a robot.

992
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,940
John C Dvorak: There's a part
two to this.

993
00:58:12,180 --> 00:58:15,180
Unknown: Now over to local
elections. In South Carolina,

994
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:18,540
the City of Charleston voted for
a Republican mayor for the first

995
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:24,180
time since 1877. That's almost
150 years. Former South Carolina

996
00:58:24,180 --> 00:58:27,120
GOP Representative William
Coxwell. won the race on

997
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,990
Tuesday. And in New York, former
Governor Andrew Cuomo is

998
00:58:30,990 --> 00:58:34,110
reportedly considering running
for mayor of New York City.

999
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:38,010
According to political websites
that Cuomo might run if current

1000
00:58:38,010 --> 00:58:41,130
Mayor Eric Adams resigns or
decides not to run for re

1001
00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:41,640
election

1002
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:43,260
Adam Curry: who there was

1003
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:46,680
John C Dvorak: the R word in
there. And there goes our guy.

1004
00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:51,420
Oh, we can't have that. We need
that guys is because now that's

1005
00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:54,000
Adam Curry: interesting, because
you have they have they first of

1006
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,150
all, I think Eric Adams got
kicked out of the club because

1007
00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:01,290
he said, Hey, this is not
working in New York City. You

1008
00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,050
know, this is going to cost us
too much money, Cardi B how he

1009
00:59:04,050 --> 00:59:04,920
hates him. Now.

1010
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:05,880
John C Dvorak: You got Cardi B

1011
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:09,720
Adam Curry: cardi V hating you,
then that's pretty bad. And then

1012
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:09,870
that

1013
00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:12,810
John C Dvorak: fact is a clip
we'd play but it's so insane is

1014
00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:14,490
his whole F words. Get it?

1015
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:18,510
Adam Curry: And, you know, and
he was like, Well, you know,

1016
00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:22,200
this is no good. These migrants
and they, they kicked him out of

1017
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,710
the club. They sent him on a
reeducation tour. And then they

1018
00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:29,580
and now they're investigating
his largest fundraiser, this

1019
00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:34,260
guy's gonna get knocked out. And
he's gonna get thrown into one

1020
00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:40,680
of those local prison camps.
Yeah, I mean, New York get out

1021
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:41,580
of New York.

1022
00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:44,220
John C Dvorak: Did you see some
good clips floating around about

1023
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:48,210
New York and the prison camps.
Now, back to the election and

1024
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Trump and versus Biden. I do
have a couple of clips from the

1025
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:58,530
birthday. But Biden just had a
birthday. Hey, isn't at 92 Come

1026
00:59:58,530 --> 01:00:03,420
on. Now. Let's not be ageist
8181 anyone so he was on and Fox

1027
01:00:03,420 --> 01:00:07,680
and Friends on that that's not
foxes Fox weekend they just

1028
01:00:07,710 --> 01:00:12,840
botched everything I mean I have
to say and I'm listening to Fox

1029
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:18,720
why more than you are they are
just they are just making

1030
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:23,670
mistakes left and right and I
want you to I'm gonna play these

1031
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:26,220
tips and I'm going to be very
critical here Fox are people who

1032
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:27,480
think that we'd like Fox

1033
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:31,020
Adam Curry: ever liked Fox no
and you in particular because

1034
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:32,610
run by Democrats we all know it

1035
01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:35,970
John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's run by
Democrats. So I want to play

1036
01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:40,170
this is the Biden beat a rap
gaffe and I want you to you

1037
01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:41,880
should be able to spot the gaps
by the way.

1038
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:45,390
Adam Curry: When I say rump, I'd
have no hate against Democrats.

1039
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:47,940
I really don't. But the
Democrats system just like the

1040
01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:51,690
Republican system, the jack
offs, all of them. Okay, back to

1041
01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:52,170
you, Bob.

1042
01:00:54,030 --> 01:00:56,670
John C Dvorak: So let's go with
Biden birthday gift. What do you

1043
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:57,720
apologizing for?

1044
01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:00,090
Adam Curry: I just want people
to understand that I

1045
01:01:00,090 --> 01:01:01,680
John C Dvorak: love you don't
hate Democrats.

1046
01:01:01,710 --> 01:01:03,630
Adam Curry: I don't hate people
who are who vote Democrat.

1047
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:04,980
People. Okay. You're

1048
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:07,590
John C Dvorak: a lover. Not a
hater. Hey, too many eggs.com

1049
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:20,340
Too many. Christmas that's my
out by Biden birthday right now

1050
01:01:20,370 --> 01:01:23,310
you I think the gaps right away
and then we'll we can see you'll

1051
01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:25,740
spot it. But you might not
President

1052
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:28,200
Unknown: Biden landed on the
South Lawn here at the White

1053
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,480
House just a short time ago. And
it's safe to say there's going

1054
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,720
to be no surprise at first
birthday party for him tonight,

1055
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,110
here at the White House. And
when the clock strikes 12 and

1056
01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:39,780
probably not tomorrow, either,
with all expected to be a low

1057
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:43,230
key affair with all focus on the
turkey part and maybe a shot a

1058
01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:47,220
wild turkey for the staff. But
here's what David Axelrod told

1059
01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:50,550
The New York Times about
President Biden quote, I think

1060
01:01:50,550 --> 01:01:55,020
he has a 5050 shot here but no
better than that maybe a little

1061
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:58,620
worse. He thinks he can cheat
nature here and it's really

1062
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:01,560
risky. They've got a real
problem if they're counting on

1063
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,430
Trump to win it for them. I
remember Hillary doing that too.

1064
01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:09,300
Now on Fox News Sunday, Senator
Chris Coons responded to

1065
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:09,990
Axelrod.

1066
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:15,000
That's an interesting point from
David in 2007. A year out from

1067
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,570
the 2008 election. I'll remind
you that poll after poll was

1068
01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:22,350
showing that Barack Obama was
going to lose to Rudy Giuliani,

1069
01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:26,010
and in 2011 that Barack Obama
was going to lose to Mitt

1070
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:29,370
Romney, head to head polls a
year out frankly, don't say much

1071
01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:30,330
at all. Now,

1072
01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:33,360
a recent article in Politico by
Jonathan Martin titled here's

1073
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,360
how Biden can turn it around top
Democrats agree that the

1074
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,490
President needs more
aggressiveness, more help from

1075
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:41,760
his friends, and a few more
friends Liz Cheney, Rahm Emanuel

1076
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,030
Mitt Romney can help says the
President's had issues with

1077
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:49,560
Axelrod in the past. The peace
warns quote, calling David

1078
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,590
Axelrod a P word that I've been
told I'm not supposed to say on

1079
01:02:52,590 --> 01:02:56,010
news here it rhymes with stick.
Lisa, as a person who has heard

1080
01:02:56,010 --> 01:03:00,510
Biden use the words as he does
in private is not a strategy to

1081
01:03:00,510 --> 01:03:05,010
win children 70 electoral votes.
Now there's a new NBC poll out

1082
01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:09,150
today shows that 80 years old
soon to be 81 by the way tonight

1083
01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:12,180
at the stroke of midnight, by
not having the necessary mental

1084
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:16,290
and physical health to be
president for a second term. 59%

1085
01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:17,790
say that's a major concern.

1086
01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:21,660
Adam Curry: Well, first of all,
did Biden run against Giuliani?

1087
01:03:22,110 --> 01:03:22,530
No, of

1088
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:24,660
John C Dvorak: course not. He
ran against McCain was

1089
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:27,990
Adam Curry: gonna say was how
that that was the gaffe. Right.

1090
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:28,920
Yeah.

1091
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,220
John C Dvorak: And the gaffe was
was, here's the thing about the

1092
01:03:32,220 --> 01:03:36,570
gaffe. It was Giuliani was never
really in the picture that

1093
01:03:36,570 --> 01:03:38,070
you're no you can't say,

1094
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:41,100
Adam Curry: oh, Ron Paul was in
the picture more than

1095
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:45,510
John C Dvorak: Giuliani. But
here's the thing about the gaff.

1096
01:03:45,930 --> 01:03:51,570
Chris Coombs, is Biden's
campaign manager. I didn't know

1097
01:03:51,570 --> 01:03:55,800
that. He so that's one aspect of
this. The second thing is you

1098
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:00,270
got four people on this show,
sitting at the Dyess. None of

1099
01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:03,210
them caught that. And then you
have another five people

1100
01:04:03,210 --> 01:04:08,190
minimum, the more in the control
room with people in their ears.

1101
01:04:08,340 --> 01:04:11,430
None of them caught it. There's
a floor manager. He didn't catch

1102
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:14,220
it. What is wrong with this
place? Well,

1103
01:04:14,220 --> 01:04:17,040
Adam Curry: wait, you're telling
me that cable news is full of

1104
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,170
crap. Imagine Here

1105
01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:22,800
John C Dvorak: we go. A second
gaff coming up. That is just

1106
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,190
right part of this first gaff,
and it's just like, every blows

1107
01:04:26,190 --> 01:04:28,380
by everybody. Here we go with
part two

1108
01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:31,290
Unknown: 15% say it's a moderate
concern, whatever that means.

1109
01:04:31,740 --> 01:04:37,410
12% minor concern and 14% say
it's no real concern. And by the

1110
01:04:37,410 --> 01:04:40,860
way, that poll also showed Biden
with the lowest approval rating

1111
01:04:40,890 --> 01:04:42,150
of his presidency, you guys.

1112
01:04:43,020 --> 01:04:45,660
Well, you know, they've had 80
years to prepare for it.

1113
01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:46,890
I hope it's a great party

1114
01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:51,930
tonight. Tomorrow. Thank you,
Lucas. Oh, 81. Yeah,

1115
01:04:52,530 --> 01:04:56,340
yeah, well, but the he just
starts his 81st year so they've

1116
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:58,740
had only 80 years to prepare for
it.

1117
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,310
Adam Curry: I mean, I didn't
know what that was about.

1118
01:05:04,049 --> 01:05:09,179
John C Dvorak: It was idiotic.
It's he's on his 82nd year. He

1119
01:05:09,179 --> 01:05:11,849
says he's David 80 years to
prepare for it. And the girl

1120
01:05:11,849 --> 01:05:16,289
says no 81 Because he's 81. So
he's had 81 years and he's been

1121
01:05:16,289 --> 01:05:19,709
in business for 81 years. It's
like when you're a one year old

1122
01:05:19,709 --> 01:05:22,649
you're you're not starting your
first birthday. You're you're

1123
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:24,719
you're already one you're going
to to know

1124
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,640
Adam Curry: what's happening as
you're watching these shows, and

1125
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,740
you're getting riled up just
like they are you like, it's

1126
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:30,630
like, you're like listening to
idiocy.

1127
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:33,750
John C Dvorak: Yes. The fact
that he said he calls her and

1128
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:38,670
says, no, no. He says, No, he's
gonna He's gonna he's working on

1129
01:05:38,670 --> 01:05:42,720
his ad first year, she says to
her in cheek, and she has, I

1130
01:05:42,750 --> 01:05:47,100
don't want to say it. But as a
submissive woman, Oh, apparently

1131
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:52,050
Oh, here we go. She backs off to
the male's intent was foolish

1132
01:05:52,050 --> 01:05:55,500
shit, by the way, this guy. And
she shouldn't say anything. And

1133
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:58,140
the other female that's on the
panel doesn't say anything. And

1134
01:05:58,140 --> 01:06:02,100
the other male, who I think
might even be Gutfeld. But it's

1135
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:05,520
not something that's either got
fields on the on the five. And

1136
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,640
so but it's somebody else, and
it's nobody calls the guy on

1137
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,880
this bullshit. In fact, I have
the follow up what happens right

1138
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,750
afterwards, which is just
wanders off of you. This is

1139
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:18,720
stunning to me that this is so
stupid on Fox, you

1140
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,780
Adam Curry: can't watch this.
This is not healthy for you. You

1141
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:22,320
John C Dvorak: play this

1142
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,340
Unknown: report, only 80 years
to prepare for it. Dr. Sapphire,

1143
01:06:26,730 --> 01:06:28,080
you know, explain this to us.

1144
01:06:28,110 --> 01:06:32,670
I mean, you know, at this kind
of age, he's gonna be at six. If

1145
01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:36,900
you were to win another term and
finish. What are the problems? I

1146
01:06:36,900 --> 01:06:41,670
mean, what, what, what could go
wrong here? anything

1147
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:45,390
can go wrong with any single
person any day of the week. Hey,

1148
01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:49,410
Adam Curry: he's, he's handing
you the alley up lady. What

1149
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:52,740
you're supposed to say is he
could die. That's that wasn't

1150
01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:56,700
that the alley up right there.
What could go wrong? He's 81.

1151
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:59,790
What could pop by the way.
That's also ages. I don't like

1152
01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:00,600
any of it.

1153
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:04,560
John C Dvorak: That's not nice.
That's his fox. This. This

1154
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,330
really deteriorated?

1155
01:07:07,290 --> 01:07:11,130
Adam Curry: Yes. Ever since
Tucker left. There was never so

1156
01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:12,330
Greg and Kelly left.

1157
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,470
John C Dvorak: Actually, I think
you could probably trace it back

1158
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:20,370
to Megan Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. All
right. But she left it was her

1159
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:23,430
fault for the whole thing
because she was all in on the on

1160
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:26,670
the me to thing that was going
on at the station to get rid of

1161
01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:28,440
the guy who started the whole
thing.

1162
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,040
Adam Curry: Let's talk about
something we know about.

1163
01:07:33,810 --> 01:07:36,150
John C Dvorak: We know about
this we know about? Well,

1164
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:39,960
Adam Curry: first I need to
congratulate and commend you for

1165
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,730
being right for four days. Yeah,
it was right for for me, okay.

1166
01:07:44,730 --> 01:07:47,940
You called it you called it you
called it. Everybody was like,

1167
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,770
wow. And usually they attribute
that to me. But they got it

1168
01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:55,620
right. Like John, really? You
called it Sam Altman going to

1169
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:59,430
Microsoft. I mean, you nailed
it. The clip was very clear.

1170
01:07:59,730 --> 01:08:02,910
Like you said, oh, yeah,
Microsoft sucks these guys right

1171
01:08:02,910 --> 01:08:06,960
up. And I was like, wow, there
you go. That's perfect. And then

1172
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,340
things started to change. And
this is, I have a lot of

1173
01:08:11,340 --> 01:08:14,670
thoughts on this, as you can
imagine, because we've uncovered

1174
01:08:14,670 --> 01:08:17,970
so much about what was really
going on at open AI. And I think

1175
01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:23,070
we are in fact, at peak AI hype,
and I have a feeling all of this

1176
01:08:23,070 --> 01:08:26,970
is about to fall apart quicker
than we expected. But first, let

1177
01:08:26,970 --> 01:08:31,140
us listen to the experts of
finance over at CNBC led by

1178
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:34,650
Andrew Ross Sorkin, who of
course is one of the CO creators

1179
01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:38,520
of the hit show billions on
Showtime. Explain what's going

1180
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,120
on. Let's talk

1181
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,640
Unknown: about the big news that
broke overnight because a lot of

1182
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,640
Adam Curry: folks by the way,
this is big news. You know, the

1183
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,470
world stopped. Kara Swisher your
protege was running around on

1184
01:08:49,470 --> 01:08:52,320
Twitter. God, I called it I
called it I'm great. I'm the

1185
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,250
best reporter ever. Look at my
reporting. I am so proud of my

1186
01:08:56,250 --> 01:09:01,650
reporting. She's really
unconscionable very harshly

1187
01:09:01,710 --> 01:09:02,910
John C Dvorak: spiking the ball.

1188
01:09:04,170 --> 01:09:05,310
Adam Curry: What happened to

1189
01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:07,140
John C Dvorak: mosh pit

1190
01:09:07,170 --> 01:09:10,200
Adam Curry: Do you think that
that as a child she no one ever

1191
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,580
told her she was worth worthy or
something? Because you're right.

1192
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:17,610
All she's doing is spiking the
ball and then I call that he's

1193
01:09:17,610 --> 01:09:19,950
going to Microsoft. I call that
he's not going to make it up.

1194
01:09:20,130 --> 01:09:23,700
This is my great reporting. I've
got Satya Nadella. Now I like

1195
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:26,520
exclusive interview. Satya
Nadella is on every single

1196
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,540
channel doing interviews.
Anyway, back to the the boy

1197
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:31,680
genius have

1198
01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:34,080
John C Dvorak: you know, I think
you should get a room.

1199
01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:38,220
Adam Curry: I would give her a
piece of my mind that's for sure

1200
01:09:38,790 --> 01:09:39,030
about

1201
01:09:39,029 --> 01:09:41,699
Unknown: the big news that broke
overnight because a lot of folks

1202
01:09:41,819 --> 01:09:45,359
focused on it already this
morning open AI posting on X

1203
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:49,619
that Sam Altman will now
officially return as CEO, former

1204
01:09:49,619 --> 01:09:53,789
Salesforce CEO Brett Taylor, and
former Treasury Secretary Larry

1205
01:09:53,789 --> 01:09:57,959
Summers will join AI's opens
board. Taylor was named board

1206
01:09:57,959 --> 01:10:02,009
chair and then chorus CEO Adam
D'Angelo will remain on the

1207
01:10:02,009 --> 01:10:06,359
board all and posted on AIX. I
love open AI and everything I've

1208
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,419
done over the past few days has
been in service of keeping this

1209
01:10:09,419 --> 01:10:12,539
team and its mission together.
When I decided to join

1210
01:10:12,539 --> 01:10:16,799
Microsoft. On Sunday evening, it
was clear that was the best path

1211
01:10:16,799 --> 01:10:21,179
for me and the team with the new
board. And with such as support,

1212
01:10:21,209 --> 01:10:24,599
I'm looking forward to returning
to open AI and building on our

1213
01:10:24,599 --> 01:10:27,599
strong partnership with
Microsoft now in response

1214
01:10:27,599 --> 01:10:30,389
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella
posting in part quote we

1215
01:10:30,389 --> 01:10:34,439
encouraged by the changes to the
open AI board we believe this is

1216
01:10:34,679 --> 01:10:38,639
a first essential step on a path
to a more stable, well informed

1217
01:10:38,639 --> 01:10:42,569
and effective governance. And
ousted Chairman Greg Brockman

1218
01:10:42,569 --> 01:10:46,499
posting returning to open AI and
getting back to coding tonight.

1219
01:10:46,529 --> 01:10:49,469
So he hit the keyboard. Alright,

1220
01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:52,230
Adam Curry: so Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Hit the keyboard. So

1221
01:10:52,230 --> 01:10:55,710
the couple of things happening
here. One, no one is talking

1222
01:10:55,710 --> 01:10:58,740
about the board that just got
wiped off the face of the map,

1223
01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:03,210
including Helen toner, all of
these Effective Altruism, all

1224
01:11:03,210 --> 01:11:07,410
members, possibly members of the
crazy sex cults in San Francisco

1225
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:11,040
with the poly cules. Who knows
what's going on there. That

1226
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:16,770
board just got wiped out. Except
for the Adam D'Angelo, I think,

1227
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,300
who is I think he's, he is he's,
he's friends with such an Adela.

1228
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:24,450
That may be his guy for now. So
now they have a three person

1229
01:11:24,450 --> 01:11:25,590
board mole.

1230
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,310
John C Dvorak: I'm sorry. Yeah,
mole. them all.

1231
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,220
Adam Curry: Then you have Larry
Summers. I mean, so what is

1232
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:35,700
John C Dvorak: what the hell's
that guy doing in there? I mean,

1233
01:11:35,970 --> 01:11:37,590
he got a big check to

1234
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:39,030
Adam Curry: be applied check
everybody.

1235
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:41,070
John C Dvorak: I mean, Larry
Summers is the only Council on

1236
01:11:41,070 --> 01:11:44,490
Foreign Relations guy in there.
So he might be just a guy is

1237
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:45,510
like a spook.

1238
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,650
Adam Curry: Well, so now keeping
an eye on things? Well, yes.

1239
01:11:49,650 --> 01:11:54,450
And, and I think what I'm
starting to feel here is that

1240
01:11:55,470 --> 01:12:01,500
open AI, and Sam Altman is just
marketing. The marketing was,

1241
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,930
let's get everybody all crazy
about AI. Throw out your chat.

1242
01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:13,140
GPT. Three, which really is not
impressive. Yes, it can. It can

1243
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,130
answer you like you're human.
But you know, it's it's unusable

1244
01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:21,420
for liability in all aspects.
Don't worry, chat. GPT four

1245
01:12:21,420 --> 01:12:24,840
would be better. Don't worry.
We've got generative AI. Oh,

1246
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,560
we've got sentient AI, it's all
coming. And this, he's like, the

1247
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,100
Elizabeth Holmes of this stuff.
And he's, and he's just has that

1248
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:37,110
complicated talk, you know,
like, well, you know, I think

1249
01:12:37,410 --> 01:12:44,040
that AI will if not, if we don't
do it, right, right. Right. It

1250
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,580
will, it could, you know, could
be dangerous to the world, which

1251
01:12:47,610 --> 01:12:54,000
is why we at open AI are working
right to, to do this kind of

1252
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,670
thing. But i i I see the just,
he's not a coder. He's just a

1253
01:12:59,670 --> 01:13:02,760
talker. He's like Elon Musk.
Like he's like

1254
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,430
John C Dvorak: one of the main
coders is this alien guy who is

1255
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:08,190
the one who was responsible for
getting him ousted if you look

1256
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:12,420
into it, yes, I think he's gone
and he's like the Russian kid

1257
01:13:12,900 --> 01:13:16,440
who's also got a very weird
background he's been all over

1258
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,710
the place and he's he seems more
like the guy who actually knows

1259
01:13:19,710 --> 01:13:21,300
what that how this thing works,

1260
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:25,590
Adam Curry: but it's but besides
the copyright violations of

1261
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:29,820
written word and images, it's
just not impressive. You know,

1262
01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:34,590
you've got you've got
competitors to chat GPT also

1263
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,940
using already opening up App
Store so you can load all your

1264
01:13:38,940 --> 01:13:42,330
it's like okay, so we could load
all the no agenda information in

1265
01:13:42,330 --> 01:13:45,480
there. And we could go in and we
could say what did Adam and John

1266
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:49,530
say about this? And it would pop
something out it may be right we

1267
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:53,040
have your own it being a.io does
kind of the same thing already

1268
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,910
you can decide for yourself. But
then as I'm listening to the

1269
01:13:56,910 --> 01:14:01,740
brilliant journalist always spot
on who's who does journalism.

1270
01:14:02,190 --> 01:14:08,040
Kara Swisher with her great gets
such an Adela two days after

1271
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,180
he's been on every he's been on
Bloomberg has been on CNBC. And

1272
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:15,900
she's trying to go to men. And
this Satya Nadella. What a

1273
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:19,380
character this guy is. Great.

1274
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:26,610
Microsoft, this is how he talks.

1275
01:14:26,970 --> 01:14:30,360
John C Dvorak: Yeah. And he's
got to stock jacked up. Yes.

1276
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:33,030
Adam Curry: And I understand the
good and I understand why

1277
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:40,290
because what what is the big
story of AI? It's not AI. It's

1278
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:45,360
that companies like Microsoft
can sucker people into compute

1279
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,860
resources using their as your
cloud. That's what this is

1280
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:53,670
about. It's not about ai ai.
It's about selling cloud cycles

1281
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:59,970
and services. And the whole open
AI valuation is some hyped up

1282
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,650
Bull crap and

1283
01:15:01,650 --> 01:15:05,280
Unknown: our partners and
customers, whether they're using

1284
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,070
open AI or Microsoft, but the
point is we have a great

1285
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:10,620
contract and not only ability,
we have all the IP rights and

1286
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:12,900
all the capability. I mean,
look, look right, if tomorrow

1287
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:15,720
opening, I disappeared, I don't
want any customer of ours to be

1288
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,300
worried about it, quite
honestly. But wait

1289
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:21,450
Adam Curry: a minute. So if open
AI disappears, it's no problem.

1290
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,900
We got all the IP, we got all
the people, we've got all the

1291
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:28,050
compute side, because we don't
need them. Except to act as a

1292
01:15:28,050 --> 01:15:31,680
buffer in case there's a
lawsuit, or to blame something

1293
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:32,010
on

1294
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,020
Unknown: it don't want any
customer of ours to be worried

1295
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:36,000
about it, quite honestly,
because we have all of the

1296
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,400
rights to continue the
innovation not just to serve the

1297
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:43,170
products. But we can, you know,
go and just do what we were

1298
01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:46,740
doing in partnership ourselves.
And so we don't need those guys,

1299
01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:49,380
the people we have the compute,
we have the data, we have

1300
01:15:49,380 --> 01:15:51,120
everything, everything.

1301
01:15:51,210 --> 01:15:53,970
Adam Curry: We don't need those
guys. In fact, Sam Altman go

1302
01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:55,140
back to home base.

1303
01:15:55,650 --> 01:15:58,440
Unknown: And so but at the same
time, I'm committed to open AI

1304
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:00,870
partnership, and that's kind of
what I expressed to them.

1305
01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:04,650
And where does that stand?
Because you have you invested?

1306
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,490
Is it 13 billion or 12 billion
in the company? Very

1307
01:16:08,490 --> 01:16:11,070
Adam Curry: interesting
question. Did they really invest

1308
01:16:11,070 --> 01:16:14,610
$12 billion? Well, no.

1309
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:19,080
Unknown: It's a complicated
thing. We have a significant

1310
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,640
investment, we it sort of comes
in the form of not just dollars,

1311
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,550
but it comes in the form of
compute and what have you and

1312
01:16:27,060 --> 01:16:28,740
gives us significant rights.

1313
01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:33,570
Adam Curry: They gave them $10
billion worth of compute, which

1314
01:16:33,570 --> 01:16:38,490
yes, which act, which is what is
that the retail price? Is? No,

1315
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,610
yeah, that's probably retail
times 10. It could be you

1316
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:43,380
John C Dvorak: know, here's the
thing you kind of stumbled on

1317
01:16:43,380 --> 01:16:48,180
everyone I mentioned before you
finish this clip. He had almond

1318
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:52,800
over there. And then he had to
an analyze or the company

1319
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,310
itself, or his or his lawyers
had to say, look, and I don't

1320
01:16:56,310 --> 01:17:00,900
know if anyone's familiar with
something called a shim. A shim

1321
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:04,110
is software code to keep you for
example, if you're using one of

1322
01:17:04,110 --> 01:17:08,310
these canoe, Linux or something
like that, in any kind of one of

1323
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:12,900
these canoe products, you if you
use it, you have to give up your

1324
01:17:12,930 --> 01:17:15,660
rights to it and you have to
give all these rights. So they

1325
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:19,140
people design software code,
that's called a shim, which is

1326
01:17:19,140 --> 01:17:24,270
something to place you between
Yes. Liability, have me be

1327
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:28,500
liable and demand the company
that the new guys, so this is

1328
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:32,970
kind of what he's must have been
thinking when he said yet, when

1329
01:17:32,970 --> 01:17:36,480
he hired Altman over and he
said, No, you go back and do it

1330
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,610
over there. Because that
prevents us if there's some May,

1331
01:17:41,610 --> 01:17:45,210
were there deep pockets here.
Yes. If there's a major lawsuit,

1332
01:17:45,330 --> 01:17:48,300
you guys, you know, for you
copyright violation, whatever,

1333
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:51,330
eat it, you guys can eat it and
just go out of business. We'll

1334
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:54,360
hire you that back then and do
some little thing on the side

1335
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:58,500
here. But we can't be even close
to this kind of liability. So

1336
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:03,300
they create a shim, something
that buffer them from the woods

1337
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:08,130
bound to happen, which is you
always complain about this. It's

1338
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:11,580
bound app and a big giant
lawsuit. They can take him take

1339
01:18:11,580 --> 01:18:12,000
him out.

1340
01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:16,200
Adam Curry: Well just announced
yesterday, nonfiction authors

1341
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,770
who open eyes open AI for
copyright infringement. That's

1342
01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:22,980
just the beginning. That's just
the beginning. Because they've

1343
01:18:22,980 --> 01:18:27,540
all said, Oh, we we've we've
sucked in all of your

1344
01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:32,970
information. But that's fair
use, you say? And it's

1345
01:18:32,970 --> 01:18:36,420
John C Dvorak: fair use. Okay.
So the law interesting, this was

1346
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,630
actually going to happen in is
this is going to this is going

1347
01:18:39,630 --> 01:18:42,570
to be a Supreme Court case,
eventually, because no Fair Use

1348
01:18:42,570 --> 01:18:46,380
law which we use, we use, we
have these clips, these are all

1349
01:18:46,380 --> 01:18:49,890
fair uses. They're very small
snippets of what's goes on for

1350
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:50,730
an hour. That's

1351
01:18:50,730 --> 01:18:54,510
Adam Curry: not what determines
fair use. Fair use is if it's an

1352
01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:59,190
educational setting, if you're
using also a different use.

1353
01:18:59,850 --> 01:19:04,260
Yeah, but I'm just saying it's a
fair use if we play a clip being

1354
01:19:04,260 --> 01:19:07,260
in which is we are in an
educational news gathering

1355
01:19:07,260 --> 01:19:08,070
setting does

1356
01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:10,710
John C Dvorak: that yes, there's
a lot of there's a deep

1357
01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:14,730
definition. Yes. But sucking
everything up and then

1358
01:19:14,730 --> 01:19:16,200
regurgitating it is

1359
01:19:16,740 --> 01:19:18,030
Unknown: not for use.

1360
01:19:19,740 --> 01:19:20,820
Adam Curry: is not fair use. I

1361
01:19:20,820 --> 01:19:23,340
John C Dvorak: can see where
you'd think it was. Because

1362
01:19:23,340 --> 01:19:27,660
look, I guess. Okay, let's let
me make the argument. So I, I'm

1363
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:32,790
the AI. And so I've sucked up
every novel by Ernest Hemingway.

1364
01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:38,400
And I've decided to write an
essay that in the form in the

1365
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,390
style of Ernest Hemingway, and
so the AI as AI crank out it

1366
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:45,780
like, I don't know let's say
2500 word piece, but I have

1367
01:19:45,780 --> 01:19:49,890
sucked up Why don't know 5
million words. So I'm only

1368
01:19:49,890 --> 01:19:54,270
taking 2500 words out of 5
million and it's and let's say

1369
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:57,090
the pieces education or it's
it's different enough or it's

1370
01:19:57,090 --> 01:20:00,720
humorous, because dot affair
yesterday pair He is allowed

1371
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:06,300
here and he's free game. So So
what did I do wrong?

1372
01:20:07,980 --> 01:20:12,690
Adam Curry: Well, the I would
say go talk to vanilla ice. Go

1373
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:20,790
Go talk to what's the guy who
did Robin Thicke. I mean, in

1374
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:24,480
music this is well established
you use one little sample one

1375
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:30,540
little lick one little riff, and
you got a lawsuit on your hands.

1376
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:35,250
Now, the thing is open AI, it's
questionable whether they have

1377
01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:38,670
any actual revenue. They say we
got 100 million people paying us

1378
01:20:38,670 --> 01:20:42,090
$20 A month questionable. We
don't really know that. But

1379
01:20:42,090 --> 01:20:47,190
that's even that is chump change
to Satya Nadella what he wants,

1380
01:20:47,340 --> 01:20:50,910
and I know because my buddy Vic,
he has an integration company.

1381
01:20:50,910 --> 01:20:54,990
He sells this stuff, Microsoft
mainly to call centers. But the

1382
01:20:54,990 --> 01:20:59,490
AI that is going to come with
Microsoft will be transcripts of

1383
01:20:59,490 --> 01:21:02,580
meetings, especially your you
know your team, Microsoft team

1384
01:21:02,580 --> 01:21:06,300
meetings, you get a transcript,
it will have action items, and

1385
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:08,640
then the action items will
automatically be put on your

1386
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,230
calendar. That's the kind of
stuff we're talking about. Oh, I

1387
01:21:13,230 --> 01:21:15,360
see your Clippy on steroids.

1388
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:17,940
John C Dvorak: I see flippy.
That's exactly right. Yeah,

1389
01:21:17,970 --> 01:21:21,600
you're just Clippy on steroids.
You're trying yet to see a

1390
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,320
beefed up Clippy someone's to do
some art for that. So, but

1391
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,320
today's art has to be
Thanksgiving art. So yeah. So

1392
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,120
Adam Curry: someone you know,
it'd be like, Oh, I see you're

1393
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,850
trying to write a letter
scolding your underlings here in

1394
01:21:32,850 --> 01:21:35,910
the organization, let me help
you write that, yeah, it'll be

1395
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:39,090
fine. And what they're selling
what Microsoft will be selling,

1396
01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:45,240
and I know this firsthand, is
compute cycles to suck in all of

1397
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:49,260
your company's data. So let's
say you have a, it could be a

1398
01:21:49,260 --> 01:21:52,620
law office, but could be any
could just be you sell fireworks

1399
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:55,710
for living doesn't matter, you
know, suck up all that data,

1400
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,910
what is the most resource
intensive is creating the large

1401
01:21:59,910 --> 01:22:04,890
language model the LLM. So you
create your own LLM, which has

1402
01:22:04,890 --> 01:22:08,040
to be fine tuned, you get all
kinds of expensive guys like

1403
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,460
comic strip blogger, to do what
because that's what he does to

1404
01:22:11,460 --> 01:22:15,330
fine tune at all that costs
millions of dollars,

1405
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:19,380
particularly in very expensive
compute resources, which is all

1406
01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:23,130
Azure Cloud. And then you can
get, you can probably retrieve

1407
01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:26,340
some pretty reliable information
about your organization, you

1408
01:22:26,340 --> 01:22:28,770
could also just hire a couple
people who know what the heck

1409
01:22:28,770 --> 01:22:33,570
they're doing. So this is all
some kind of pipe dream. But

1410
01:22:33,570 --> 01:22:36,990
Microsoft, your customers, it
customers aren't waiting for

1411
01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:40,170
some robot to come in and do
their business. Now their

1412
01:22:40,170 --> 01:22:44,010
customers are wanting a better
script for the call center. This

1413
01:22:44,010 --> 01:22:47,430
is not impressive. It's just not
what people think it is. And I

1414
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:49,590
think we are at peak AI, let's
continue.

1415
01:22:49,650 --> 01:22:53,490
Unknown: It's a complicated
thing. We have a significant

1416
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:58,020
investment we it's sort of comes
in the form of not just dollars,

1417
01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:01,350
but it comes in the form of
compute and what happened. And

1418
01:23:01,350 --> 01:23:05,040
that gives us significant
rights. As I said, and also this

1419
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,070
thing, it's not fenced off
right? We are in there we are

1420
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:12,690
below them about them, Allah
around them. positions, we build

1421
01:23:12,690 --> 01:23:16,080
tools, we build the
infrastructure. We don't need

1422
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,990
them. So the industry analysts
are saying, Oh, wow, there is

1423
01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:24,360
this it's really a joint project
between Microsoft and open AI.

1424
01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:30,360
And, and, and the reality is we
are as I said very self

1425
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:31,590
sufficient and all of this

1426
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:34,140
Adam Curry: so this is
completely the new blockchain

1427
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:38,910
This is such an Adela telling us
look we own we own those guys

1428
01:23:38,910 --> 01:23:42,000
lock, stock and barrel but
they're your right our shim. So

1429
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,020
in case anything comes along
that we don't like he our Altman

1430
01:23:46,020 --> 01:23:50,460
rd did his work. His work was to
get protections for the largest

1431
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:55,440
companies with the largest
compute cycles ie Amazon's, AWS,

1432
01:23:56,010 --> 01:23:59,760
Microsoft, Azure and Google.
Because all anything that's

1433
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,450
created has to be done by those
guys to make sure that your AI

1434
01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:06,330
for your fireworks company
doesn't eat the world because

1435
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:12,870
Oh, it's a robot. It's so smart
bull crap. And to to accentuate

1436
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:19,200
this for 14 hours, they had an
interim CEO, Emmett shear,

1437
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:27,600
Edmund shear is he was the CEO
of Twitch. And so this gives you

1438
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:35,910
an idea of the insanity of these
spun up just crazy people inside

1439
01:24:35,940 --> 01:24:41,580
the not just open AI, but the
entire AI universe, how nuts

1440
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:46,440
they are. He's sitting down for
a podcast with red points. This

1441
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:49,260
is a new thing now with you and
I know a bit about venture

1442
01:24:49,260 --> 01:24:51,780
capital guys. You know, we've
been around we've raised money.

1443
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,650
And so now all the venture
capital guys will have a junior

1444
01:24:55,650 --> 01:24:59,490
partner and the junior partner
does the podcast. He says the

1445
01:24:59,490 --> 01:25:03,540
podcast Ask for the vet for the
VC. So this is some, you know,

1446
01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:08,880
minor limited partner douche
who's interviewing Emmett shear

1447
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:12,120
about AI and he's like, Y'all
will always agreeing with

1448
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,510
everything of course because
they put money they got money

1449
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:20,340
into AI Oh, yes, please give us
money when invested for you in

1450
01:25:20,370 --> 01:25:23,040
AI projects. This thing is
coming apart at the seams.

1451
01:25:23,130 --> 01:25:27,960
Listen to this. This is probably
my favorite techno douche of all

1452
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:28,680
time image

1453
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,810
Unknown: here. And really I'm
I'm very pro technology. And I

1454
01:25:30,810 --> 01:25:33,660
really believe the upsides
usually outweigh the downsides.

1455
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,570
Everything's technology can be
misused. Regulating early is

1456
01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:40,080
usually a mistake, I have a very
specific concern about AI, we

1457
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,880
built an intelligence, it's kind
of amazing, actually, we may not

1458
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,550
be the smartest intelligence,
but it is unintelligence it can

1459
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:49,200
solve problems and make
arbitrary plans. At some point,

1460
01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:52,410
as it gets better, the kinds of
problems that we'll be able to

1461
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:56,550
solve will include programming,
chip design, material science,

1462
01:25:56,970 --> 01:26:00,660
power production, all the things
you would need to design an

1463
01:26:00,750 --> 01:26:04,530
artificial intelligence. At that
point, you'll be able to point

1464
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,920
the thing we've built back
itself and this will happen

1465
01:26:07,950 --> 01:26:10,020
before you hit that point with
humans in the loop already is

1466
01:26:10,020 --> 01:26:12,180
happening with humans in the
loop but that loop will get

1467
01:26:12,180 --> 01:26:15,660
tighter and tighter and tighter
and faster and faster and faster

1468
01:26:15,660 --> 01:26:20,700
until it can fully self improve
itself at which point it will

1469
01:26:20,700 --> 01:26:23,670
get very fast very quickly now

1470
01:26:23,670 --> 01:26:25,500
Adam Curry: just so we
understand what he's saying he's

1471
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:28,560
saying we're going to build
something that is has some

1472
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,950
intelligence it solves problems
we're going to point it at

1473
01:26:31,950 --> 01:26:36,240
itself and then it will start
developing itself into sentient

1474
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,200
being and

1475
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,250
Unknown: that kind of
intelligence is just an

1476
01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:40,680
intrinsically very dangerous
thing dangerous because

1477
01:26:40,890 --> 01:26:43,440
intelligence is power power
human beings are the dominant

1478
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,750
for our life on this planet
pretty much entirely because

1479
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:49,140
we're smarter than the other
creatures now I just laid out a

1480
01:26:49,140 --> 01:26:52,320
chain of argument with a lot of
if this then this if this then

1481
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:52,500
this

1482
01:26:54,930 --> 01:26:57,540
Adam Curry: jump could you lay
out a chain of argument with a

1483
01:26:57,540 --> 01:27:00,360
lot of if this then this then
this if this then this

1484
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,070
Unknown: please when beings are
the dominant for our life on

1485
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:04,770
this planet pretty much entirely
because we're smarter than the

1486
01:27:04,770 --> 01:27:08,160
other creatures now I just laid
out a chain of argument with a

1487
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,870
lot of if this then this if this
and this if it's in this I know

1488
01:27:12,900 --> 01:27:18,810
allies are things that like
we're all doomed for sure. I buy

1489
01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:21,990
his doom argument I buy the
chain and the logic like my P

1490
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:23,430
Doom my probability of doom

1491
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:24,180
Adam Curry: okay,

1492
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:28,890
John C Dvorak: I buy the do i i
love Do

1493
01:27:29,970 --> 01:27:33,900
Adam Curry: I love the chain of
logic and the P Doom he is okay.

1494
01:27:34,230 --> 01:27:37,590
So that chain of login logic and
my P Doom is a little different

1495
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:38,730
than his picture.

1496
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,280
Unknown: By by his doom argument
I buy the channel the logic like

1497
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,510
my P Doom my probability of doom
is like my bid ask spread and

1498
01:27:48,510 --> 01:27:49,980
that's pretty high because I
have a lot of uncertainty

1499
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:52,260
Adam Curry: but oh John, what's
your bid ask spread? What's your

1500
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:53,340
bid ask spread?

1501
01:27:54,510 --> 01:27:57,780
John C Dvorak: Like God is this
guy just nothing but cliches?

1502
01:27:57,810 --> 01:28:00,480
Adam Curry: I've never even
heard this one. So he's

1503
01:28:00,900 --> 01:28:04,230
John C Dvorak: a bit I've never
known. It's a stock market. Yes.

1504
01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:08,250
Adam Curry: But he hasn't been
asked spread of probability of

1505
01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:09,570
doom his P do.

1506
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:12,270
Unknown: I buy his doom
argument? I buy the chain and

1507
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:16,950
the logic. Like my P Doom, my
probability of doom is like, my

1508
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:18,600
bid ask spread and that's pretty
high because of a lot of

1509
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:24,330
uncertainty. But I would say
it's like between, like five and

1510
01:28:24,330 --> 01:28:25,560
55

1511
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,750
Adam Curry: and 50. That's quite
the spread, young man.

1512
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,110
Unknown: There's a wide spread,
which I think Paul Cristiano,

1513
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:31,980
here's

1514
01:28:31,980 --> 01:28:33,900
Adam Curry: the here's the VC
douche piping,

1515
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:38,370
Unknown: five and 50 There's a
wide spread. I think Paul

1516
01:28:38,370 --> 01:28:41,250
Christiano 50 Cristiano who
handled

1517
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,920
John C Dvorak: back it up, but
why? He says is the large spread

1518
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:50,250
but what is the five represent
and what is the 50 Represent?

1519
01:28:50,250 --> 01:28:50,430
It's

1520
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:52,710
Adam Curry: these guys to just
talk about their butthole

1521
01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:59,160
unbelievable so here's his bid
so there's 5% that I don't know

1522
01:28:59,220 --> 01:29:01,680
I really don't know and then
this other guy says, Well, you

1523
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:06,180
know that guy his his bid ask
spread is different. No wonder

1524
01:29:06,630 --> 01:29:11,460
these VCs lost their ass on FTX
was Sam bank when freed they let

1525
01:29:11,460 --> 01:29:15,840
these people come in who either
talk like this guy or talk like

1526
01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:22,650
Altman uncomplicated talker
because I'm a deep deep thinker,

1527
01:29:22,770 --> 01:29:31,440
or like Elon Musk, when you
know. AI could could could lead

1528
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:35,160
the world, right? If we don't
have guardrails? It's very

1529
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,880
important to do that. These
people are full of crap.

1530
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:44,790
Unknown: Five and 50. So there's
a wide spread. I think Paul

1531
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:49,110
Cristiano 50 Cristiano who
handled you know, a lot of the

1532
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:53,460
stuff within open AI, I think,
said 25 to 50. It's like if you

1533
01:29:53,460 --> 01:29:56,490
if you talk to most AI,
researchers or some

1534
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,980
preponderance of people, that's
good that should, that should

1535
01:29:58,980 --> 01:30:02,070
cause you to shut your pants.
spinneys human level extinction.

1536
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:05,820
The human level extinction is
such an exciting thing humans is

1537
01:30:05,820 --> 01:30:09,000
bad enough. It's like potential
destruction of all value in the

1538
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,240
light cone. Like, like not just
for us, but for any species

1539
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,460
caught in the wake of the
explosion. It's like a universe

1540
01:30:14,460 --> 01:30:16,680
destroying bomb. This is not a
figured out later thing. This is

1541
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,280
like a big fucking problem. It's
like someone who invented a way

1542
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,400
to make like 10x more powerful
fusion bombs out of like sand

1543
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:30,030
and bleach. That like anyone
could do at home. Yeah. It's

1544
01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:32,700
terrifying. And I've had enough
time with it now that I can

1545
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:36,540
laugh about it when I first
realized it was fucking

1546
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:38,760
heartstopping heartstopping

1547
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,270
Adam Curry: technology. It's
not. It used to be disruptive.

1548
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:46,380
Now it's heartstopping. Because
the P Doom Bid and Ask spread is

1549
01:30:46,410 --> 01:30:49,410
out of control. And all that's
right, while thrive. How much do

1550
01:30:49,410 --> 01:30:55,590
we invest in? It's so bad that
Bobby The Op RFK Jr. is all in

1551
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:59,760
on this stuff to book I know,
uses his own campaign video that

1552
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,630
he put on x. Look, I know, you
know a lot about AI. Right. And

1553
01:31:03,630 --> 01:31:07,680
you know how dangerous he's
talking to Lex Friedman. You

1554
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,370
know, another one of these guys
complicated talkers. I'm from

1555
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:17,070
MIT, and I wear a black suit
with a black tie for all my

1556
01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:22,950
interviews. Now, you know, I'm
from Russia, right? So, AI, we

1557
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:26,070
have to have guardrails. But
look, I know you know a lot

1558
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:30,210
about AI, right. And you know,
how dangerous it is potentially

1559
01:31:30,210 --> 01:31:33,540
to humanity and what
opportunities it also but it did

1560
01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:36,870
kill us all. I mean, Elon said,
first is going to steal our job,

1561
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:39,840
and it's going to kill us. And
it's probably not hyperbole,

1562
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,470
it's actually you know, if it
follows the laws of biological

1563
01:31:43,470 --> 01:31:46,200
evolution, which are just the
laws of mathematics, that's

1564
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:50,070
probably a potential endpoint,
but we need to make sure it's

1565
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:53,790
regulated, and it's regulated
properly for safety in every

1566
01:31:53,790 --> 01:31:57,210
country. And that includes
Russia and China, we should be

1567
01:31:57,210 --> 01:32:00,180
putting all the weapons of war
aside and sitting down with

1568
01:32:00,180 --> 01:32:02,820
those guys and say, How are we
going to do this? There's much

1569
01:32:02,820 --> 01:32:06,150
more important things to do this
stuff is gonna kill us if we

1570
01:32:06,150 --> 01:32:09,420
don't figure out how to regulate
it. And leadership needs to look

1571
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:12,960
down the road and what is the
real risk here and the real risk

1572
01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:18,570
is that AI will will enslave us.
Yeah, you lost my vote Bobby,

1573
01:32:18,570 --> 01:32:18,720
the

1574
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:20,460
John C Dvorak: boy I'll say love

1575
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,300
Adam Curry: the very real
enslave. And I think I'm, I'm

1576
01:32:24,330 --> 01:32:27,180
obviously not a programmer, I
barely hack together the first

1577
01:32:27,180 --> 01:32:30,900
podcast grip. I think, you know,
programmers always talk about

1578
01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:36,690
recursion. And that is what that
that Emmett shear was basically

1579
01:32:36,690 --> 01:32:39,480
saying, it's like we turn
looking at itself, but it's

1580
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:44,250
always degenerative. It's like
when you hold a mirror up

1581
01:32:44,250 --> 01:32:46,650
against the mirror to a certain
point it's just no good it's

1582
01:32:46,650 --> 01:32:49,560
infinity and you don't Yes,
exactly goes away. I think

1583
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:50,400
mathematically

1584
01:32:50,430 --> 01:32:53,250
John C Dvorak: back at bat you
put the two mirrors up in the

1585
01:32:53,250 --> 01:32:57,990
same way in the back you can see
is barely mess recurrent gross.

1586
01:32:57,990 --> 01:33:00,390
There's recursion

1587
01:33:00,870 --> 01:33:05,070
Adam Curry: freezes the system.
It never it never in fact

1588
01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:08,370
doesn't get better. No, it
always gets worse. And he's

1589
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:12,450
saying, you know, his bid ask
spread is P Doom factor is based

1590
01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:16,950
upon, I think this mathematical
fallacy that oh, we'll turn it

1591
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:22,740
on itself. No, I just don't
think so. Anyway. Now the only

1592
01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:26,250
the only people who are talking
about what was really going on

1593
01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:30,360
in this open AI company, and I'm
thinking, I'm thinking Satya

1594
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,320
Nadella, who is very he turned
Microsoft around. He took it

1595
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:38,910
from bombers mess and turn it
around into a powerhouse.

1596
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,970
John C Dvorak: The stock the
bombers mess wasn't really much

1597
01:33:41,970 --> 01:33:47,190
of a mess. It was a stable
operation that had no it had no

1598
01:33:47,190 --> 01:33:48,210
pizzazz.

1599
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,370
Adam Curry: I apologize. The
stock

1600
01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:53,310
John C Dvorak: price was
stagnant. Yeah, it was it was

1601
01:33:53,310 --> 01:33:57,330
stagnant. It was like a summer
was not you know, ever since he

1602
01:33:57,330 --> 01:34:00,300
left his program Marketing
Marketing programmers

1603
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:04,260
programmers or whatever it was
jumping up and down. days ever

1604
01:34:04,260 --> 01:34:08,100
since those days left the
company, the excitability was he

1605
01:34:08,100 --> 01:34:10,590
was basically just to calm

1606
01:34:12,060 --> 01:34:16,350
Adam Curry: that's saying a lot
about Ballmer. Such an Adela,

1607
01:34:16,650 --> 01:34:19,500
who has been at Microsoft for a
quarter of a century probably.

1608
01:34:19,650 --> 01:34:23,700
He, he you know, he he, I mean,
you could see it comment. He

1609
01:34:23,700 --> 01:34:27,960
made Microsoft exciting. It's
also I mean, in my opinion,

1610
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:31,260
Windows is horrible. It's never
been as bad as it is now.

1611
01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:36,870
Windows has become an app and
it's talking to Microsoft all

1612
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:40,680
the I just hate it too much too
much weight, but the excitement

1613
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,920
is there. And then as you're
going cloud, you know, cloud

1614
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:49,170
became a thing. He saw that he
needed something to ignite the

1615
01:34:49,170 --> 01:34:54,480
cloud service. And this is his,
his fuel that he throws in my

1616
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:58,230
fire. It's Yes, because he's
telling all his customers. You

1617
01:34:58,230 --> 01:35:00,240
better get in on this AI stuff
now. Oh,

1618
01:35:00,510 --> 01:35:03,030
John C Dvorak: because she does
have a lot of cycles. Yes it

1619
01:35:03,390 --> 01:35:03,720
because

1620
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:06,420
Adam Curry: it chews up cycles
and we need you to pay for that.

1621
01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:10,470
If you've ever rented a server
from Amazon Web Services, you

1622
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:14,220
know how expensive it can get
very, very quickly unless you

1623
01:35:14,250 --> 01:35:17,760
really know what you're doing.
And I think he saw this Altman

1624
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,840
character and went by should
have clipped it but Kara Swisher

1625
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:25,320
was even asking, Well, isn't
Altman the kind of guy who could

1626
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:29,700
become the CEO of Microsoft?
That Dell was looking at this

1627
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:36,660
like, are you insane woman?
Altman is a weirdo. Who He is.

1628
01:35:36,690 --> 01:35:40,200
He's a, it's a marketing guy
just like Elon Musk. I've always

1629
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:44,250
said Elon Musk hasn't invented
anything new. He he's, he has

1630
01:35:44,250 --> 01:35:48,120
that complicated. Elizabeth
Holmes talk. Except Elizabeth

1631
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:51,540
Holmes really didn't have anyone
to execute. Elon has got people

1632
01:35:51,540 --> 01:35:53,100
who execute all over the place.

1633
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:55,410
John C Dvorak: And they're
almost at a higher and

1634
01:35:55,410 --> 01:35:59,940
Adam Curry: Altman. It's clear
now to me, he wanted to move

1635
01:35:59,940 --> 01:36:02,850
ahead. He said, we're going to
do the app store because there's

1636
01:36:02,850 --> 01:36:07,200
no other sex that's left,
there's no sexiness left in, in

1637
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:11,640
open AI, other than you can
create your own apps and they

1638
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:16,260
have SDKs and toolkits. And all
of it crunches up as your

1639
01:36:16,290 --> 01:36:19,410
compute cycles. This is the
industry they're trying to

1640
01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:24,480
bamboozle everybody with. And
the only people still looking at

1641
01:36:24,510 --> 01:36:31,500
the nut jobs in open AI the x.
What is it effective altruists?

1642
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,810
He is the techno douche is from
France 24. And so now and it's

1643
01:36:36,810 --> 01:36:40,320
rampant there. Because now the
techno chick is going to explain

1644
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,160
it to us. Let me

1645
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,080
Unknown: just ask you that
Julia. What do you think has

1646
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:44,910
been happening on was

1647
01:36:44,910 --> 01:36:48,210
for sure is that the official
reason of his early dismissal is

1648
01:36:48,210 --> 01:36:51,000
still unclear. But in the
backdrop of all of this, you

1649
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:53,970
have this battle between two
different currents of thought on

1650
01:36:53,970 --> 01:36:57,630
how to develop AI on one hand,
you have what we call people who

1651
01:36:57,630 --> 01:37:01,410
are in the Effective Altruism,
current. So what that means is

1652
01:37:01,410 --> 01:37:04,890
that you're for the development
of AI, but to answer let's say,

1653
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:07,170
general interest questions for
the greater good of the world,

1654
01:37:07,170 --> 01:37:10,950
and they tend to be you know, in
favor of regulation. On the

1655
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:13,560
other you have what we call
effective acceleration ism. So

1656
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,870
here the goal is really to
advance technologically as

1657
01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:19,860
quickly as possible and to deal
with problems as they emerge. So

1658
01:37:19,860 --> 01:37:23,400
Adam Curry: there you have it.
Altman was in a different column

1659
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:27,360
different called he was an
access to an effective X

1660
01:37:27,390 --> 01:37:31,650
effective accelerate RISM. Have
you ever heard of something so

1661
01:37:31,650 --> 01:37:36,240
stupid, effective, accelerate
them, okay,

1662
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,510
Unknown: in real time, and they
tend to be against regulation.

1663
01:37:39,510 --> 01:37:42,600
So of course, this is simply
put, but you can understand the

1664
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,290
dilemma of companies who buy
wanting to be a little bit too

1665
01:37:46,290 --> 01:37:50,220
ethical, they also risk to lose
the market share. Now, what's

1666
01:37:50,220 --> 01:37:53,130
been said about Sam Altman is
that he could have been

1667
01:37:53,130 --> 01:37:56,550
transitioning towards a more
accelerationist vision, which

1668
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:59,670
could have divided open AI as
board members. Now you have to

1669
01:37:59,670 --> 01:38:02,790
understand that most companies
who work in the AI sector are

1670
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:08,130
actually in a frenzy race to go
towards what we call general,

1671
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:11,310
artificial intelligence, so an
artificial intelligence that

1672
01:38:11,310 --> 01:38:14,370
would surpass us as humans in
all the tasks and all domains.

1673
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:17,430
Now, of course, not yet. We're
not there yet. We shouldn't even

1674
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:19,920
be talking about artificial
intelligence, most of the time,

1675
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,950
we should refer to deep learning
machine learning. So when

1676
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:25,860
algorithms are using data to
train themselves, but there

1677
01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:28,260
isn't any intelligence there,
per se,

1678
01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:33,630
there's no intelligence. Oh, no
techno trick do tell me more. So

1679
01:38:33,630 --> 01:38:35,970
it's impressive Giulia, but we
know that there are big

1680
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:37,230
challenges as well. Whereas
there

1681
01:38:37,230 --> 01:38:40,830
are it's very imperfect, there's
what we call algorithmic bias.

1682
01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:44,130
So this is when the AI is going
to reflect the, the bias in the

1683
01:38:44,130 --> 01:38:47,520
data that it uses to train
itself and the data of the bias

1684
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,920
of the data scientists. There's
problem, there's a lack of

1685
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,860
transparency, which is huge,
especially when we talk about

1686
01:38:52,860 --> 01:38:56,430
deep neural networks. So these
are neural networks are trying

1687
01:38:56,430 --> 01:38:59,970
to mimic the human brain in the
way that it actually thinks. And

1688
01:39:01,050 --> 01:39:04,590
Adam Curry: these people, this
of actual thought in Silicon

1689
01:39:04,590 --> 01:39:09,060
Valley, oh, we can do better
than the brain. We can do better

1690
01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:12,330
than that. I mean, people only
use a certain mode, although

1691
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,900
that's been debunked, but it's
like it we can do better. We can

1692
01:39:15,900 --> 01:39:18,240
do better than God. And this is
no problem we can we can create

1693
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:19,950
neural pathways. And

1694
01:39:19,950 --> 01:39:23,130
Unknown: here, it's very opaque.
We don't know well, how the

1695
01:39:23,130 --> 01:39:26,100
decision process is happening.
So what's the decision tree? For

1696
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:27,600
instance? Of course, we're
talking about the

1697
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,960
Adam Curry: decision tree. We're
back to skip logic, John, there

1698
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,770
it is the decision. What's the
decision tree here? Who planted

1699
01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:36,720
the seed for the decision tree?
What's the

1700
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,640
Unknown: decision tree for
instance? Of course, we're

1701
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,400
talking about data. So there's
security and confidentiality

1702
01:39:41,730 --> 01:39:45,930
issues, ethical issues, when
we're talking about autonomous

1703
01:39:45,930 --> 01:39:48,570
decision making by machines.
There's of course,

1704
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:53,370
accountability issues, if there
are errors, goes to open AI, and

1705
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,920
we often talk about this and I
think it's very important the

1706
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,740
impact of course on
unemployment, because of this

1707
01:39:58,740 --> 01:40:02,730
automation powered by AI is
going to disrupt, you know, many

1708
01:40:02,730 --> 01:40:06,510
jobs. And so these are all of
the problems. But of course,

1709
01:40:06,510 --> 01:40:09,270
there's the other side of the
coin is going to revolutionize

1710
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:12,840
so many sectors. Let's take just
one example of the health

1711
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,290
sector. Now we're talking about
early diagnosis thing to AI,

1712
01:40:16,290 --> 01:40:18,030
we're talking about predictive
health, we're talking about

1713
01:40:18,030 --> 01:40:20,940
personalized treatment that's
going to reduce cost is going to

1714
01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:24,150
reduce side effects for
patients. And ultimately, it's

1715
01:40:24,150 --> 01:40:28,020
going to save lives. So I think,
before it actually replaces us

1716
01:40:28,020 --> 01:40:31,470
completely, is really going to
start, you know, assisting us at

1717
01:40:31,470 --> 01:40:35,190
least in the tests that we have
on a daily basis. It's not

1718
01:40:35,220 --> 01:40:36,510
Adam Curry: No, it's not.

1719
01:40:36,630 --> 01:40:38,880
John C Dvorak: This was the
medical smart systems that were

1720
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:43,140
developed in the 80s. Expert
systems was determined back then

1721
01:40:43,140 --> 01:40:44,130
in 80s, who

1722
01:40:44,130 --> 01:40:46,740
Adam Curry: do tell you that no,
no, give us some history. I love

1723
01:40:46,740 --> 01:40:47,100
hearing Oh,

1724
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:49,320
John C Dvorak: yeah, the expert
did this is the first this is

1725
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:53,370
the last time we had this is
flirtation with artificial

1726
01:40:53,370 --> 01:40:56,700
intelligence was in the 80s.
With the fifth generation

1727
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:59,160
computing and all the rest of
it. They had all the Stanford

1728
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:03,060
had their Michigan lab and ran
my lab and they're working on

1729
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:06,510
all this stuff. And one of the
things they came up with expert

1730
01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:10,470
systems, and expert systems was
exactly what they're talking

1731
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:13,830
about. She's kind of talking
about where the ended medical

1732
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,760
was going to be transformed by
expert systems and you put your

1733
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:23,550
symptoms into the computer and
the computer with its AI was aI

1734
01:41:23,550 --> 01:41:26,610
at the time, which was an expert
system, we'd come back with a

1735
01:41:26,610 --> 01:41:31,170
diagnosis and this was, what 45
years ago

1736
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,630
Adam Curry: that actually has
come back. It's interesting. You

1737
01:41:33,630 --> 01:41:37,260
bring that up because I heard on
my hatless and I won't obviously

1738
01:41:37,260 --> 01:41:42,480
won't play it. This was a couple
of weeks back they had on a guy

1739
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:50,550
clearly, you know, was meant to
be promoted on their show. And

1740
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:55,200
he had developed kiosks. Yes,
kiosks, where you walk into the

1741
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:59,160
kiosk and the AI goes What is
your problem? And then you say,

1742
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:02,490
Well, I got a scratchy throat to
put on this sensor. And then you

1743
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,460
strap a sensor on and then and
then poop it'll say you need

1744
01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:09,120
this and it'll pop out some that
pill for you to take. This is

1745
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:14,130
the same thing. This I'm not
going to use it.

1746
01:42:15,630 --> 01:42:18,240
John C Dvorak: So they got rid
of the free pills.

1747
01:42:19,620 --> 01:42:25,890
Adam Curry: They got rid of they
got rid of the Helen toner who

1748
01:42:25,890 --> 01:42:28,560
was Australia not British. Thank
you for correcting me everybody.

1749
01:42:29,580 --> 01:42:34,560
They got rid of all those Kooks
and then put Sam back in. And

1750
01:42:34,590 --> 01:42:37,470
and he's You're right. He's the
shim. So you sit there you sit

1751
01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:41,550
pretty. And then if you get sued
out of all

1752
01:42:41,550 --> 01:42:43,350
John C Dvorak: hell breaks
loose, you're on your own. Yeah.

1753
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:46,650
That may be doing you worry
about it. Because we'll go back

1754
01:42:46,650 --> 01:42:48,030
it will take in Yeah,

1755
01:42:48,060 --> 01:42:50,670
Adam Curry: we have beaten up
and we have the IP, we have the

1756
01:42:50,670 --> 01:42:51,720
compute. And we have

1757
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:55,500
John C Dvorak: IP why Microsoft
is dynamite getting IP and

1758
01:42:55,500 --> 01:42:59,520
they're doing nothing with it.
They had they stole all the IP

1759
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:00,360
of the

1760
01:43:00,780 --> 01:43:03,330
Adam Curry: IP is intellectual
property. For people who don't

1761
01:43:03,330 --> 01:43:04,110
know they've took all

1762
01:43:04,110 --> 01:43:06,090
John C Dvorak: the AI if you
remember that era, it was

1763
01:43:06,090 --> 01:43:09,240
another little fad that took
place just started kind of came

1764
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,810
and went just before we began
our show 16 years ago with these

1765
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:15,960
with these machine translation
systems. And there was a bunch

1766
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,890
of them. And some of them were
pretty good. And heard nearly

1767
01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:23,520
something learn out in the house
be and there's a whole bunch of

1768
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,280
them. You may be somehow
Microsoft, and they were and

1769
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,280
they work? Well, you mean we
talk

1770
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,020
Adam Curry: and then it would it
would translate your speech,

1771
01:43:31,290 --> 01:43:33,480
speech to text. Yeah.

1772
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,780
John C Dvorak: And it worked
pretty well. And in fact, it

1773
01:43:36,780 --> 01:43:38,910
worked better than it should
have left the house being

1774
01:43:38,910 --> 01:43:42,090
learner to whatever that one
system was. And Microsoft's

1775
01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:44,910
always invested a little bit
here and there. And they ended

1776
01:43:44,910 --> 01:43:50,130
up as part of the investment.
When the company is all all went

1777
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:54,180
under, they all went under. And
Microsoft ended up with all the

1778
01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:57,270
IP that was part of the deal is
like, well, if you go broke,

1779
01:43:57,270 --> 01:44:00,450
we're gonna give you money. But
if you go broke, right here in

1780
01:44:00,450 --> 01:44:04,350
the contract, we now have the IP
this is like, that's

1781
01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:07,260
Adam Curry: Microsoft. That's
how Microsoft rolls, Microsoft.

1782
01:44:07,710 --> 01:44:09,780
John C Dvorak: But the thing is,
they ended up collecting all

1783
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:13,620
this IP. And I remember writing
about this, Microsoft I was told

1784
01:44:13,620 --> 01:44:16,950
by one of the X guys from one of
these companies that all

1785
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:20,250
Microsoft is going to kick ass
in this field because they own

1786
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:24,870
all the IP of all the companies
that did any of this work. And

1787
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:28,890
they're going to be the company
that does no, never have they

1788
01:44:28,890 --> 01:44:33,030
just IP still there nobody. They
sit on it and they don't do crap

1789
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:36,330
with it. It's like the I don't
know what it is about them, but

1790
01:44:36,330 --> 01:44:39,000
they suck up IP and then they
let it languish

1791
01:44:40,290 --> 01:44:46,290
Adam Curry: to weird well, that
they do whatever they want. So

1792
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,900
yeah, I know whether it might
have been I don't know how you

1793
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:52,170
feel about it, but I think this
thing is falling apart. Now I

1794
01:44:52,170 --> 01:44:52,620
don't think it's

1795
01:44:52,620 --> 01:44:55,470
John C Dvorak: falling apart
yet. You're always a little

1796
01:44:55,470 --> 01:44:58,050
ahead of this with your
prediction. I think he's got a

1797
01:44:58,050 --> 01:45:01,590
Adam Curry: year to go or maybe
okay, but not Not much, but I'm

1798
01:45:01,590 --> 01:45:03,300
John C Dvorak: gonna give you
some kudos. I'm not gonna give

1799
01:45:03,300 --> 01:45:06,450
you any kudos for the following
clip. But I think it'd be a nice

1800
01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:12,240
break and clip edge. Play this,
okay? And it's not necessarily

1801
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:15,570
kudos, but it's like I roll as
far as I'm concerned.

1802
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,340
Adam Curry: Can you just add
them you're great you don't have

1803
01:45:17,340 --> 01:45:19,770
to play clip you can just say
you Good job, Adam. Whatever it

1804
01:45:19,770 --> 01:45:20,100
is.

1805
01:45:20,130 --> 01:45:24,270
John C Dvorak: Well, I'm not
gonna say yet. So I'm watching

1806
01:45:24,270 --> 01:45:28,740
the the value tainment. Guys Oh
PBD.

1807
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:32,760
Adam Curry: Yes, the value
tainment guys

1808
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:35,340
John C Dvorak: and for so some
unknown reason. I don't know why

1809
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,640
the beginning never explained
it. But Roger Stone was sitting

1810
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:39,000
there.

1811
01:45:41,250 --> 01:45:43,110
Adam Curry: I can already feel
where this is going.

1812
01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:46,920
John C Dvorak: Is so they're
talking about every thing.

1813
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:50,610
They're talking about the
sambangan. This not saying but I

1814
01:45:50,610 --> 01:45:56,130
did the same thing. Sam Altman.
Get those two confused. Sam

1815
01:45:56,130 --> 01:46:00,450
Altman and how he got it. Dad
analysis was here. Before

1816
01:46:00,450 --> 01:46:05,070
Adam Curry: you intro this clip,
just to fix to accentuate we're

1817
01:46:05,070 --> 01:46:09,840
talking about Sam Altman. He ran
Y Combinator. And that was one

1818
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:14,190
of the really one of the 2000s
one of the big things was an

1819
01:46:14,220 --> 01:46:18,000
incubator. It's a technology
incubator, and it works. Went to

1820
01:46:18,030 --> 01:46:19,860
Yeah, Oh, totally. I think
didn't zoom

1821
01:46:19,860 --> 01:46:22,020
John C Dvorak: come out of that.
And slack and a lot of stuff

1822
01:46:22,020 --> 01:46:24,150
came out of and he made a lot of
money. Yeah. And so

1823
01:46:24,180 --> 01:46:28,320
Adam Curry: but what but what
you do is, you say, Okay, you

1824
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:31,020
couple of guys, you're good.
Come in here, give us 50% of

1825
01:46:31,020 --> 01:46:36,480
your company. And that will give
you a desk, enjoy. And then when

1826
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:40,560
something pops out, then you
hook those guys up with your red

1827
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,640
point. VC guys, and you're an
angel investor, and you make out

1828
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:48,090
like a bandit. And if you're
lucky, like one or two of these

1829
01:46:48,090 --> 01:46:51,600
will sell and you make a lot of
money. And all the rest of those

1830
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,570
kids are just you know, they're
the ones that got wiped, wiped,

1831
01:46:54,570 --> 01:46:59,310
wiped off of the sidewalks of
San Francisco when she came to

1832
01:46:59,310 --> 01:47:04,110
town, but it doesn't mean that
he's he's some AI Genie.

1833
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:09,690
John C Dvorak: Anyway, no, not.
Anyway, so it so this was about

1834
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:12,780
politics, and they go on and on
about what's going to happen and

1835
01:47:12,780 --> 01:47:15,720
how and they were talking about
Trump's numbers going up like

1836
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:20,460
that we just played. And he goes
on and on. And so they asked him

1837
01:47:20,460 --> 01:47:24,030
for a rundown on what's going on
with, what are they going to do

1838
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:26,430
about Biden and rest? And I
thought this was quite

1839
01:47:26,430 --> 01:47:29,790
interesting. And I think you'd
enjoy it. Roger,

1840
01:47:29,790 --> 01:47:32,790
Unknown: who Roger who's going
to make that decision to say,

1841
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,810
President Biden, thank you for
your service. Please step aside.

1842
01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:36,930
How

1843
01:47:36,930 --> 01:47:39,420
does the inner workings the
inner plumbing of the DNC,

1844
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:41,670
actually work? Who's making that
decision? Most

1845
01:47:41,670 --> 01:47:44,610
Influential Democrat in the
country today is Barack Obama.

1846
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:49,920
There is no question about that.
And these these affiliated news

1847
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:56,550
outlets respond very much to
him. He can he can and the way

1848
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:58,800
their convention is set up is
very different than the

1849
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,460
Republican convention. So you
can dump a nominee because of

1850
01:48:02,460 --> 01:48:06,630
the super delegates far more
easily. So the fact that that

1851
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,780
the filing deadlines have
already passed in the Democratic

1852
01:48:09,810 --> 01:48:15,150
primary and caucus schedule for
for New Hampshire, New Hampshire

1853
01:48:15,150 --> 01:48:17,700
and Iowa have been neutered,
they've taken away their

1854
01:48:17,700 --> 01:48:22,110
delegates to make South Carolina
the first contest, a state with

1855
01:48:22,110 --> 01:48:25,890
an absolute majority of African
American voters in their primary

1856
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:30,480
in Chicago, the convention is
where Chicago the Obamas

1857
01:48:30,510 --> 01:48:35,370
hometown. I have predicted for
some time that Michelle Obama is

1858
01:48:35,370 --> 01:48:41,580
the most likely news. Here's
here's why. It's quite simple.

1859
01:48:42,210 --> 01:48:45,510
You have an African problem you
have a woman of color who's the

1860
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:48,750
vice president, she's next in
line how do you how do you

1861
01:48:48,750 --> 01:48:52,020
rationalize passing her by if
Joe doesn't run? How can you get

1862
01:48:52,020 --> 01:48:53,610
away with passing her by she's
out to

1863
01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:56,310
pull the race card you have
right well, identity politics

1864
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:57,210
show you show

1865
01:48:57,210 --> 01:49:00,000
you replace a woman of color
with a far more popular you're

1866
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:00,720
gonna have two

1867
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,210
women running the cartoon or I'm
out? No,

1868
01:49:03,210 --> 01:49:06,930
not necessarily. But I don't
think that they can. I mean, you

1869
01:49:06,930 --> 01:49:11,040
can't just bypass Kamala Harris,
despite the fact that she

1870
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,260
doesn't have dementia, but she
makes less sense than

1871
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,100
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, he's
been on this tip for a while.

1872
01:49:21,180 --> 01:49:23,520
John C Dvorak: So I just thought
I'd give you a little Yeah,

1873
01:49:23,550 --> 01:49:26,580
Adam Curry: yeah, we will boost
stigma 2020 for everybody.

1874
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:32,730
John C Dvorak: The American
public who would really recoil

1875
01:49:32,730 --> 01:49:33,570
against this Do

1876
01:49:33,570 --> 01:49:38,970
Adam Curry: you really think so?
Oh, yeah. Well, maybe, I don't

1877
01:49:38,970 --> 01:49:41,940
know. You know what, it will be
good for the show.

1878
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,460
John C Dvorak: It wouldn't be
good for the show. Great for the

1879
01:49:44,460 --> 01:49:49,710
show. As for sure. I have
nothing but Rando Rando clips.

1880
01:49:49,740 --> 01:49:52,200
Adam Curry: What can we do?
Farmer them before we get into

1881
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:54,570
some randos we want to randos
first

1882
01:49:54,630 --> 01:49:57,600
John C Dvorak: I'd like to start
the farm off with my the Maderna

1883
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,270
CEO at a W E F meet ink.

1884
01:50:00,930 --> 01:50:03,900
Adam Curry: This used to be old,
does it got to be old? I don't

1885
01:50:03,900 --> 01:50:04,740
know, it's

1886
01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:07,380
John C Dvorak: just a question
and answer the date is unknown,

1887
01:50:07,380 --> 01:50:14,040
but but it's not more than a
year old. But it's where he clip

1888
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,060
is called CEO of Maderna
predicting the pandemic,

1889
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:21,330
Unknown: I'm gonna go with the
Stefan ban. So let's talk about

1890
01:50:21,330 --> 01:50:23,340
vaccine development, because
we've heard how it happened,

1891
01:50:23,340 --> 01:50:26,820
obviously, with COVID-19,
starting from 2022, and how

1892
01:50:26,820 --> 01:50:30,030
extraordinary the process was
also in terms of the speed, how

1893
01:50:30,030 --> 01:50:33,120
is development, adoption and
scaling of vaccine going on when

1894
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:36,030
it comes for different variants
and sub variants, because this

1895
01:50:36,030 --> 01:50:39,720
is one of the big concerns. As
we as we're all here now, and

1896
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:42,780
we're discussing, we understand
the context and this is a great

1897
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:43,800
deal.

1898
01:50:44,250 --> 01:50:46,470
Sure, like Good morning and
thank you for having me on the

1899
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:52,590
panel. So the great news is us
2020 Where we are today is we

1900
01:50:52,590 --> 01:50:56,790
have manufacturing capacity, as
Jeff knows when the pandemic

1901
01:50:56,850 --> 01:51:03,720
happened more than made $100,000
in 2019 for the whole year. And

1902
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,450
I remember walking after that I
was into the office of my other

1903
01:51:06,450 --> 01:51:08,880
manufacturing and I say how we
make a billion dollars next year

1904
01:51:09,660 --> 01:51:12,810
and they look at me a bit funny
say what Yeah, we'd make a beat

1905
01:51:12,810 --> 01:51:14,400
on those next year there's gonna
be a pandemic

1906
01:51:17,580 --> 01:51:19,800
John C Dvorak: This was taken
this was cut off I didn't get

1907
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,990
the whole clip I couldn't find
it but probably

1908
01:51:22,170 --> 01:51:27,180
Adam Curry: funny. Yeah. I think
I have it somewhere the

1909
01:51:27,180 --> 01:51:28,800
John C Dvorak: whole one to
where he goes on because I like

1910
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:30,240
nobody says afterwards.

1911
01:51:32,250 --> 01:51:34,170
Adam Curry: Majority of us by
the way, while you're

1912
01:51:34,170 --> 01:51:36,210
John C Dvorak: looking for that
I do have the new pandemic or

1913
01:51:36,210 --> 01:51:39,390
when possible one Oh yes. You
heard about this. Yes, I

1914
01:51:39,390 --> 01:51:42,090
Adam Curry: have a I couldn't
get get an American clip. You

1915
01:51:42,090 --> 01:51:42,960
have an American clip?

1916
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:45,150
John C Dvorak: I have the NTD
clip. Oh,

1917
01:51:45,150 --> 01:51:48,480
Adam Curry: we'll do the NTD
clip and then we will do the W

1918
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:52,170
IOM clip they are the only ones
that seem to be on this. See

1919
01:51:52,170 --> 01:51:57,570
what do you have it called here?
NEW NEW NEW NEW. Yes new new

1920
01:51:57,630 --> 01:52:00,600
Unknown: wave of mystery
pneumonia is breaking out in

1921
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:04,080
China affecting mostly children
and overwhelming Chinese

1922
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:08,160
hospital. Doctors there tell us
the disease can be traced back

1923
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:12,810
to some combined pathogens like
COVID-19. The flu and mycoplasma

1924
01:52:12,810 --> 01:52:16,590
pneumonia. Parents say the
symptoms aren't usually severe.

1925
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:22,020
This time the child had a high
fever repeatedly, which never

1926
01:52:22,020 --> 01:52:26,580
went down. This is too scary. A
former Chinese reporter posted a

1927
01:52:26,580 --> 01:52:30,360
conversation in a group chat
indicating that a child died on

1928
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:34,050
the new pneumonia. The wave hit
the area around Beijing but also

1929
01:52:34,050 --> 01:52:38,220
Dalian a city almost 500 miles
from Beijing. Hospitals are

1930
01:52:38,220 --> 01:52:42,030
overwhelmed with sick children.
Hospital staff from Tianjin city

1931
01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:46,620
told us some children have to
wait days to be treated. Parents

1932
01:52:46,620 --> 01:52:50,760
starts grumbling several days in
advance to get the numbers. We

1933
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:54,960
only have so many doctors and we
can only handle so many people

1934
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:58,590
every day. So we give out a
certain amount of numbers every

1935
01:52:58,590 --> 01:53:02,760
day. You can book in events, but
you have to be able to grab one

1936
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:07,320
first because a huge number of
children are getting sick. This

1937
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:10,500
wave started a month ago and
it's getting worse. Recently

1938
01:53:10,530 --> 01:53:14,220
parents told us some schools
suspended classes as both

1939
01:53:14,220 --> 01:53:17,400
teachers and students are sick.
They said the authorities are

1940
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:20,310
trying to block informations
from circulating online.

1941
01:53:20,430 --> 01:53:24,090
Adam Curry: Oh this is very
good. Oh, excellent. Well, wi O

1942
01:53:24,090 --> 01:53:27,240
N was a little more explicit
about it trying to relate it to

1943
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,520
the the OG pandemic

1944
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,610
Unknown: undetermined pneumonia
outbreak in China is hitting

1945
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:34,650
children hard. Children's

1946
01:53:34,650 --> 01:53:38,490
Hospitals are overwhelmed in
multiple locations. Reports

1947
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,430
of a spike in pneumonia cases in
China are similar to early

1948
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:45,450
reports of a mystery pneumonia
outbreak in 2019 in Wuhan, which

1949
01:53:45,450 --> 01:53:48,870
heralded the emergence of
COVID-19 Now

1950
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:52,620
the reports referenced swamped
pediatric hospitals in multiple

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01:53:52,620 --> 01:53:56,610
locations including Beijing and
allowing a which is around 800

1952
01:53:56,610 --> 01:53:58,440
kilometers away from faults also

1953
01:53:58,440 --> 01:54:01,290
say the pneumonia outbreaks have
led to school cancellations and

1954
01:54:01,290 --> 01:54:03,120
some illnesses in teachers.

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01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:05,370
Adam Curry: So a couple of
things here by

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01:54:05,370 --> 01:54:07,890
John C Dvorak: the way, why they
ping pong in the report.

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01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:12,360
Adam Curry: That's how they roll
that's how they do it. Stupid

1958
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,340
John C Dvorak: was says one
sentence the other one says

1959
01:54:14,340 --> 01:54:16,560
another sentence and that goes
back and forth back and

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01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,930
Adam Curry: forth. This is why
we're doing a podcast we're not

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01:54:18,930 --> 01:54:24,240
running W Iowan. So what we need
to see now, people be aware we

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01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:28,290
need to see children dying on
Tik Tok. That will be one I

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01:54:28,290 --> 01:54:31,650
mean, originally we saw people
falling down on tick tock in the

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01:54:31,650 --> 01:54:34,050
middle of the street. You
remember those videos? Those are

1965
01:54:34,050 --> 01:54:36,330
the good old days and we need
something like that. Then we

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01:54:36,330 --> 01:54:36,480
need

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01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,610
John C Dvorak: an ISP being
sprayed with some powder.

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01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:39,330
Remember that one?

1969
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Adam Curry: Yes. And then we
need a landing zone in the west

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where you know well, some babies
got on a flight and they flew

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over there and the other babies
so we see Seattle will be good.

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And and then we'll take it from
there. You know we already have

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all the drill We know how to do
it. We know how to talk to

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people. We know how to
communicate, and we Johns

1975
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Hopkins. When they start getting
on this train, then we should be

1976
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worried. And at the same time,
Mandy Cohen,

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John C Dvorak: you heard it here
first, by the way? Yes, yes.

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Adam Curry: It's totally we're
all over this. We're ready for

1979
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it. Dr. Mandy Cohen, who is the
new Director of the CDC, man she

1980
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is she's also a, a marketing
person. She's like the Sam

1981
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Altman of Big Pharma. And she's
going out there and she's

1982
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getting everybody ready and
getting everybody worried and

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everyone confused and it'll be
be a little less anxious because

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you don't want to kill grandma.
Remember, it's Thanksgiving,

1985
01:55:41,550 --> 01:55:43,740
everybody. Let's have a happy,
cheery report

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Unknown: as millions get ready
to gather for the holiday health

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officials are urging people to
take some extra precautions.

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That's because the CDC estimates
there have already been up to

1989
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1.6 million flu cases. RSV
infections are also on the rise,

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especially impacting kids under
the age of four and COVID-19.

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Still a concern for a lot of
families, but only about 15% of

1992
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adults have received that
updated shot. So let's break it

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down to what it all means. How
we can protect ourselves and our

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loved one mandate. CDC is new
director, Dr. mandato. Dr. Koh

1995
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I'm so happy that you're here
with us today. You

1996
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Adam Curry: know, the news
stations are so happy. They

1997
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don't have to deal with Fauci
anymore. They got Dr. Mandy,

1998
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she's up. She's exciting. She's
young, you know, they're happy

1999
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to have her on the show.

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Unknown: As we said, tons of
people are on the road, people

2001
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are going to be gathering. Not
many people have gotten the flu

2002
01:56:31,770 --> 01:56:35,100
shot or the COVID shot. How
concerned are you about these?

2003
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Leaving

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the witness? Well, look,

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we love to gather during the
holidays. And it's wonderful to

2006
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:41,730
be here with both of us. So fun.
So

2007
01:56:41,730 --> 01:56:44,370
Adam Curry: fun. It's wonderful
to be here with both of you so

2008
01:56:44,370 --> 01:56:46,110
fun. But as we get

2009
01:56:47,460 --> 01:56:52,830
John C Dvorak: specifically what
makes it fun. You've done a hit.

2010
01:56:54,750 --> 01:56:56,670
Adam Curry: She's there with
him. She's in studio.

2011
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:58,050
John C Dvorak: She's in the
studio.

2012
01:56:58,260 --> 01:57:02,340
Adam Curry: It's so fun. So fun
getting up at the crack of dawn,

2013
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:06,330
getting in your limo and getting
into makeup and then waiting

2014
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:10,200
around and drinking crappy
coffee. It's so fun holiday

2015
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gatherings.

2016
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Unknown: Well, look, we love to
gather during the holidays. And

2017
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first it's wonderful to be here
with both of us. So fun. But as

2018
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we get into the holidays, we
need to protect each other. And

2019
01:57:19,530 --> 01:57:22,200
yes, too few people have gotten
the vaccines Hold on

2020
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:25,680
Adam Curry: a second. We need to
protect each other. Is she

2021
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:31,410
repeating the completely
debunked lie? That being

2022
01:57:31,410 --> 01:57:39,780
vaccinated somehow stops the
spread. We have to protect each

2023
01:57:39,810 --> 01:57:43,140
other. So I have to get
vaccinated for you. I thought we

2024
01:57:43,140 --> 01:57:44,130
were past that you

2025
01:57:44,130 --> 01:57:45,870
John C Dvorak: have to get
vaccinated for me and you have

2026
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to be matched up double mask
from three, five and six feet

2027
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:50,850
away.

2028
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:53,340
Adam Curry: So okay, so we're
just back to that old script.

2029
01:57:53,340 --> 01:57:55,920
And it's just so fun to be here.
And we're not questioning that

2030
01:57:55,950 --> 01:57:57,030
NBC Today Show

2031
01:57:57,060 --> 01:58:00,300
Unknown: to be here with both of
us so fun. But as we get into

2032
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the holidays, we need to protect
each other. And yes, too few

2033
01:58:03,180 --> 01:58:06,300
people have gotten the vaccine
so far and I know folks are over

2034
01:58:06,300 --> 01:58:08,850
COVID and they want to leave it
in the rearview mirror but it's

2035
01:58:08,850 --> 01:58:12,330
here with us. So the three
reasons to get vaccinated one

2036
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:15,330
the virus has changed. So you
want the most updated protection

2037
01:58:15,330 --> 01:58:18,840
you can get second if you had
COVID before or you've had been

2038
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:22,410
vaccinated, that protection has
decreased over time so you want

2039
01:58:22,410 --> 01:58:25,200
the boosted up protection and
third people are still getting

2040
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,040
long COVID Right the long
symptoms from from that virus

2041
01:58:29,070 --> 01:58:31,770
even if you get a mild case so
all three reasons we don't want

2042
01:58:31,770 --> 01:58:33,810
to be sick but we certainly
don't want to be sick for a long

2043
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time. So getting vaccinated is
still really the most important

2044
01:58:36,990 --> 01:58:39,990
way you can protect yourself and
your family. Oh

2045
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:43,950
Adam Curry: well. Thanks doctor
manual But wait, there's more. I

2046
01:58:43,950 --> 01:58:47,340
mean, wasn't there a shortage of
all these wonderful this try

2047
01:58:47,340 --> 01:58:48,120
valence hard

2048
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:50,850
Unknown: to get the COVID
vaccine in the early going this

2049
01:58:50,850 --> 01:58:53,370
more updated one Do you feel
like all those wrinkles have

2050
01:58:53,370 --> 01:58:56,220
been kind of ironed out and it's
pretty accessible? Yeah, so

2051
01:58:56,280 --> 01:58:58,680
moving out of the emergency the
federal government wasn't

2052
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,350
purchasing and distributing the
private sector was doing it they

2053
01:59:01,350 --> 01:59:03,690
did have some hiccups right at
the beginning but that's all

2054
01:59:03,690 --> 01:59:07,200
really been ironed out plenty of
plenty of supply of vaccine for

2055
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:10,230
COVID and flu get your
appointment now it's never too

2056
01:59:10,230 --> 01:59:13,170
late to get vaccinated. I know
folks are saying oh it's already

2057
01:59:13,170 --> 01:59:16,260
in the middle of season No it's
actually just starting right now

2058
01:59:16,290 --> 01:59:18,150
so plenty of time to get
vaccinated

2059
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:20,250
Adam Curry: plenty of time to
get vaccinated right

2060
01:59:20,430 --> 01:59:22,680
John C Dvorak: if it's starting
right now there's not plenty of

2061
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:23,100
time.

2062
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:27,150
Adam Curry: Now does that make
any cuz she's she's doing a

2063
01:59:27,150 --> 01:59:30,960
sales job here she's got her
brown shoes on and she's selling

2064
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:35,970
by the way karma for us are Mark
Hall he finally got COVID The as

2065
01:59:35,970 --> 01:59:39,840
he had he had not gotten COVID
got COVID be text me so happy

2066
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:44,490
Thanksgiving. I've COVID And you
know what? The doctor pushed on

2067
01:59:44,490 --> 01:59:50,550
him right away. remdesivir No,
I'm not a doctor. But no, no,

2068
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:54,090
no, no, no, not at all. Let's go
back to Doctor man. The number

2069
01:59:54,090 --> 01:59:54,150
of

2070
01:59:54,150 --> 01:59:57,630
Unknown: people who have the
flu. It seems pretty high. Do

2071
01:59:57,630 --> 02:00:00,330
you think this is all because we
had been isolate Thank you for

2072
02:00:00,330 --> 02:00:02,880
so much because now I know is
because your immune system is

2073
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:06,300
shot people like people have had
these long coughs for months

2074
02:00:06,300 --> 02:00:07,650
that's been going on and on.

2075
02:00:09,059 --> 02:00:11,219
Adam Curry: Yeah, you had a
cough going on for quite a long

2076
02:00:11,219 --> 02:00:11,579
time.

2077
02:00:11,610 --> 02:00:14,100
John C Dvorak: Yeah, you should.
I had a cough that went on for a

2078
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:15,270
month and you should mask

2079
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:17,010
Adam Curry: up, I don't want to
come on through the wires. There

2080
02:00:17,010 --> 02:00:17,220
are

2081
02:00:17,220 --> 02:00:19,710
Unknown: a lot of bugs that are
circulating. It's never too late

2082
02:00:19,710 --> 02:00:23,100
to get vaccinated viruses and
bacteria. But we have ways to

2083
02:00:23,100 --> 02:00:26,460
protect ourselves vaccine is
one. But also if you get sick

2084
02:00:26,460 --> 02:00:29,040
over this holiday season, make
sure you're getting tested.

2085
02:00:29,250 --> 02:00:31,500
Because testing allows you to
know what you have

2086
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:34,620
John C Dvorak: done even worse.

2087
02:00:35,970 --> 02:00:39,480
Unknown: Boxes of tests, we have
treatment for flu and for COVID.

2088
02:00:39,630 --> 02:00:41,280
And that treatment could save
your life.

2089
02:00:42,510 --> 02:00:44,820
John C Dvorak: Or damage. What
do you need the vaccine for?

2090
02:00:45,330 --> 02:00:46,080
Yeah,

2091
02:00:47,010 --> 02:00:47,280
Unknown: yeah,

2092
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:50,760
the flu and for COVID. And that
treatment could save your life

2093
02:00:50,760 --> 02:00:53,880
you can get for free tests.
COVID. Tessa COVID test.gov

2094
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:56,310
Right now we actually just
yesterday said you can get for

2095
02:00:56,310 --> 02:01:00,960
free new ones. So get your 10
with you. If so, you know if

2096
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:02,280
you're getting sick, take

2097
02:01:02,310 --> 02:01:04,440
Adam Curry: the app. So you so
you know if you're getting sick,

2098
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:07,350
this is all so dystopian.

2099
02:01:07,740 --> 02:01:10,230
John C Dvorak: Is such bold,
grand last, you know you're

2100
02:01:10,230 --> 02:01:14,130
getting sick. Just keep taking
the test over and over. Exactly

2101
02:01:14,130 --> 02:01:14,370
right.

2102
02:01:14,370 --> 02:01:16,290
Unknown: Dr. Cohen, you're the
new sheriff in town, the new

2103
02:01:16,290 --> 02:01:18,570
head of the CDC and I don't have
to tell you the

2104
02:01:18,570 --> 02:01:23,220
Adam Curry: new sheriff in town.
She's the new sheriff in town.

2105
02:01:23,700 --> 02:01:25,110
She's not a Doctor Jim.

2106
02:01:25,110 --> 02:01:28,020
John C Dvorak: She's just a
bureaucrat. The sheriff is an

2107
02:01:28,020 --> 02:01:31,590
EDC become the spokesperson for
all this stuff. I remember 10

2108
02:01:31,590 --> 02:01:35,610
years ago, they never showed it.
It's only recent. Yeah. We never

2109
02:01:35,610 --> 02:01:41,340
heard from the CDC. There was
something crazy outbreak of

2110
02:01:41,340 --> 02:01:43,050
salmonella. Yeah. Well, let's

2111
02:01:43,050 --> 02:01:44,400
Adam Curry: go back to the new
sheriff in

2112
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:46,530
Unknown: town, Dr. Konya, the
new sheriff in town, the new

2113
02:01:46,530 --> 02:01:49,050
head of the CDC. And I don't
have to tell you, they're happy

2114
02:01:49,050 --> 02:01:52,560
she Oh, she's laughing in the
background. Yes, I am Dr. Koh

2115
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,230
into the new sheriff in town,
the new head of the CDC. And I

2116
02:01:55,230 --> 02:01:57,990
don't have to tell you there
have been some questions about

2117
02:01:57,990 --> 02:02:01,230
trust in the agency in the wake
of the pandemics public trust, a

2118
02:02:01,230 --> 02:02:05,970
few surveys will show you that
the CDC is held in low regard,

2119
02:02:05,970 --> 02:02:09,540
but the trust is not there as it
used to be. What are you doing

2120
02:02:09,570 --> 02:02:10,530
to turn it around?

2121
02:02:10,530 --> 02:02:13,890
Yeah, so I'm about six months
into the job. We're focused on

2122
02:02:13,890 --> 02:02:16,140
transparency, where I think
that's important to build trust,

2123
02:02:16,290 --> 02:02:19,710
communicating faster, more
simply making sure we're focused

2124
02:02:19,710 --> 02:02:23,220
on giving folks simple ways to
protect themselves, certainly

2125
02:02:23,220 --> 02:02:25,860
building relationships. And I
personally have been traveling

2126
02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:29,550
all around the country, so that
folks can hear from me directly.

2127
02:02:29,550 --> 02:02:31,650
So I'm not just a CDC director.
I'm a mom.

2128
02:02:33,090 --> 02:02:34,980
Adam Curry: I'm not just the
president of the HAIR CLUB. For

2129
02:02:34,980 --> 02:02:36,000
men. I'm a client,

2130
02:02:36,690 --> 02:02:39,270
Unknown: so that folks can hear
from me directly. So I'm not

2131
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:42,240
just a CDC director. I'm a mom.
I have two daughters who are

2132
02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:45,300
nine and 11. And I want them to
know what I did for my own

2133
02:02:45,300 --> 02:02:48,420
daughters. And I got both of
them the updated COVID vaccine

2134
02:02:48,420 --> 02:02:51,720
and the flu shot because I
wanted them to be protected. Why

2135
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:54,480
don't you give them the RSV
shot. Same with myself, I got

2136
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:57,900
myself vaccinated my parents, I
wouldn't recommend something for

2137
02:02:57,900 --> 02:03:00,960
the American people I wouldn't
do for my own family. And I want

2138
02:03:01,110 --> 02:03:03,420
to hear from from me directly.
So I've been all over the

2139
02:03:03,420 --> 02:03:04,200
country sharing that

2140
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:06,630
message with Dr. Cohen, we wish
you the best of luck. Thank you

2141
02:03:06,630 --> 02:03:07,710
for coming to see us. Thank

2142
02:03:07,710 --> 02:03:09,030
you so much. Thanks for having
me.

2143
02:03:09,150 --> 02:03:12,540
Adam Curry: Right. Well, so, you
know, honestly, that's all

2144
02:03:12,570 --> 02:03:17,100
unless this new Chinese thing
gets some get some legs which I

2145
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:19,920
don't know. I don't know if
that's gonna work or not.

2146
02:03:20,190 --> 02:03:22,140
John C Dvorak: I think it would
have been picked up by someone

2147
02:03:22,140 --> 02:03:24,480
by now. It could have been a
month in the making.

2148
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:29,460
Adam Curry: Yeah, well, it took
a while for COVID to really be

2149
02:03:29,460 --> 02:03:32,460
at first it was a slow burn. We
had the Tick Tock video we need

2150
02:03:32,460 --> 02:03:34,650
the Tick Tock videos. We need
dead babies

2151
02:03:34,860 --> 02:03:37,710
John C Dvorak: COVID I think
began in earnest when the case

2152
02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:39,480
is appeared in in Seattle

2153
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:42,870
Adam Curry: no when it was in
Italy that's when it started no

2154
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:43,140
no it

2155
02:03:43,140 --> 02:03:45,060
John C Dvorak: was the Seattle
cases that's when we got

2156
02:03:45,180 --> 02:03:50,850
involved that we we hear yes
true true. We hear God and all

2157
02:03:50,850 --> 02:03:54,240
jacked up and it was I still
have the clips where they go

2158
02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:58,650
well you know we have to wait
and see bad bad for these old

2159
02:03:58,650 --> 02:03:59,160
people.

2160
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:03,390
Adam Curry: Let's let's just
finish this out with some ABC

2161
02:04:04,860 --> 02:04:09,360
ABC the see that they got they
got a little buy on ABC not not

2162
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:13,890
a big buy. But they did do and
someone was emailed us asking

2163
02:04:13,890 --> 02:04:17,520
about this. Because you didn't
really understand about the

2164
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:21,240
native ad and I had to explain
that when the pharmaceutical

2165
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:23,460
companies or any company
McDonald's is even better

2166
02:04:23,460 --> 02:04:26,250
example. McDonald's has, you
know, they're bringing back the

2167
02:04:26,250 --> 02:04:29,580
McNugget or the make rib
sandwich and then so they say

2168
02:04:29,580 --> 02:04:34,140
okay, we're gonna buy $5 million
worth of advertising one of

2169
02:04:34,140 --> 02:04:37,980
spots running on ABC. But then
you know to kick it off we want

2170
02:04:37,980 --> 02:04:42,330
to have the morning crew now
eating our McRib sandwich. Yeah,

2171
02:04:42,330 --> 02:04:45,240
John C Dvorak: and then by the
way that should be noted that we

2172
02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:49,530
always time these out. And they
always run almost exactly two

2173
02:04:49,530 --> 02:04:55,830
minutes. Like it definite by the
spot anyway, if it goes any

2174
02:04:55,830 --> 02:04:58,470
longer you people have given
each other the evil eye

2175
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,600
Adam Curry: Let's see. Let's
talk about let's see if ABC Good

2176
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:05,340
Morning America if they have
anything and with

2177
02:05:05,340 --> 02:05:08,340
Unknown: that ginger flu and
respiratory illness season

2178
02:05:08,340 --> 02:05:12,060
getting underway the CDC issuing
its first report of the season

2179
02:05:12,090 --> 02:05:16,050
on where activity is already. Hi
Stephanie Ramos is here with

2180
02:05:16,050 --> 02:05:17,850
more good morning Stephanie.
Robin Good

2181
02:05:17,850 --> 02:05:20,970
morning. We are in the thick of
the flu season new data from the

2182
02:05:20,970 --> 02:05:24,330
Centers for Disease Prevention
indicates that several seats are

2183
02:05:24,330 --> 02:05:27,810
grappling with elevated flu
activity. The CDC is latest

2184
02:05:27,810 --> 02:05:31,650
report reveals many spikes in
influenza this is across seven

2185
02:05:31,650 --> 02:05:34,740
states including Louisiana,
Alabama, Florida, Georgia,

2186
02:05:35,070 --> 02:05:39,240
Mississippi Republicans New
Mexico and South Carolina.

2187
02:05:39,660 --> 02:05:43,920
Additionally, DC and Puerto Rico
are experiencing elevated flu

2188
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:47,460
levels. Some good news though,
despite increased flu and COVID

2189
02:05:47,460 --> 02:05:51,240
19 cases hospitalizations have
been lower compared to last

2190
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:54,990
year. However, health officials
caution against complacency, the

2191
02:05:54,990 --> 02:06:00,300
CDC estimates which has been
more than 780,000 Flu illnesses

2192
02:06:00,510 --> 02:06:04,830
and nearly 500 deaths from
October of last year, up until

2193
02:06:04,830 --> 02:06:08,010
last week, while flu
hospitalizations have remained

2194
02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:11,700
lower than this time last year.
Emergency Rooms brace for what

2195
02:06:11,700 --> 02:06:18,990
could be challenging. An RRSP
flu and COVID now as the holiday

2196
02:06:18,990 --> 02:06:21,720
season approaches Thanksgiving
is just this week, health

2197
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:24,150
officials warned about the
potential for super spreader

2198
02:06:24,150 --> 02:06:27,810
events and urge caution during
gatherings. Lindsay COURAGING

2199
02:06:27,810 --> 02:06:31,410
people to mask up once again
Stephanie, our thanks to you go

2200
02:06:31,410 --> 02:06:31,560
up.

2201
02:06:31,590 --> 02:06:34,800
Adam Curry: No one said that the
CDC didn't say it. She just said

2202
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:38,160
encouraging people to mask up.
So I don't know what that was

2203
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:42,630
about but Pax Lovitt got got
some some some advertising in

2204
02:06:42,630 --> 02:06:43,200
here. All right.

2205
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:45,930
Unknown: Dr. Darian, you are
taking a look at COVID cases

2206
02:06:45,930 --> 02:06:48,120
they are taking up around the
country and looking up as an

2207
02:06:48,120 --> 02:06:52,140
uptick and people are revisiting
questions around pecs, lovin.

2208
02:06:52,170 --> 02:06:54,690
Tell us about that, who's
benefiting from it. So

2209
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:56,520
I think it's really important to
talk about this when I'm

2210
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:59,070
diagnosing patients and they
have a higher risk. I usually

2211
02:06:59,070 --> 02:07:01,860
talk to them about passivate.
And it's helpful effectiveness

2212
02:07:01,860 --> 02:07:04,410
in preventing COVID-19
complications. So here's the

2213
02:07:04,410 --> 02:07:06,870
four things I think you should
know. Oh,

2214
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:09,240
Adam Curry: so he's not the
vaccine guy. He's the Pax COVID

2215
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,580
guide, not Pax Lovitt, the Pax
livid guy shouldn't so

2216
02:07:11,580 --> 02:07:13,980
Unknown: here's the four things
I think you should know. Number

2217
02:07:13,980 --> 02:07:16,830
one, who are they for a Pax
event is indicated for anyone

2218
02:07:16,860 --> 02:07:20,790
over the age of 50. And or those
who have long in heart disease

2219
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:24,750
or a compromised immune system.
We've known previously in

2220
02:07:24,750 --> 02:07:27,510
clinical trials that packs a bit
has reduced the risk of

2221
02:07:27,510 --> 02:07:31,440
hospitalization by as much as
90%. Now, you might see numerous

2222
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:34,560
studies that show a decrease
effectiveness, that doesn't mean

2223
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:38,190
that the medication is
decreasing the effectiveness. I

2224
02:07:38,190 --> 02:07:41,550
love that doesn't mean we're
comparing it to though the

2225
02:07:41,550 --> 02:07:43,620
comparable group, those who have
been vaccinated those who have

2226
02:07:43,620 --> 02:07:46,650
had COVID 19 infections. That's
why we see that number change.

2227
02:07:46,980 --> 02:07:47,790
Do you understand

2228
02:07:47,790 --> 02:07:50,250
Adam Curry: what he just said?
Yeah, he didn't say anything.

2229
02:07:50,610 --> 02:07:54,030
You may read stuff about, okay,
go out there and debunk whatever

2230
02:07:54,030 --> 02:07:54,150
you

2231
02:07:54,150 --> 02:07:56,250
John C Dvorak: read is wrong. To
me studies that

2232
02:07:56,250 --> 02:07:58,950
Unknown: show a decrease
effectiveness, that doesn't mean

2233
02:07:58,950 --> 02:08:01,080
that the medication is
decreasing the effectiveness.

2234
02:08:01,350 --> 02:08:03,930
We're comparing it to though the
comparable group those who have

2235
02:08:03,930 --> 02:08:06,720
been vaccinated those who have
had COVID 19 infections. That's

2236
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:10,200
why we see that number change.
Thirdly, what it looks like it

2237
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:12,900
is a combination of two
medications, three pills you

2238
02:08:12,900 --> 02:08:15,840
take twice a day. And then
lastly, the possible side

2239
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:17,910
effects that we should all pay
attention to it can include an

2240
02:08:17,910 --> 02:08:21,270
altered sense of tastes, nausea,
diarrhea, and sometimes muscle

2241
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:24,360
aches. That's that's the same
thing as as COVID.

2242
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:26,640
Taken COVID

2243
02:08:27,870 --> 02:08:29,610
John C Dvorak: basically COVID
in a pill

2244
02:08:29,730 --> 02:08:31,770
Unknown: and of course, we
always talk about the risk of

2245
02:08:31,770 --> 02:08:34,830
packs of it rebound which is a
small but important to note

2246
02:08:34,830 --> 02:08:36,330
population were to call

2247
02:08:37,470 --> 02:08:39,150
it anti bar antiviral
medication, certainly helping

2248
02:08:39,150 --> 02:08:39,480
many.

2249
02:08:39,540 --> 02:08:42,330
Adam Curry: Absolutely,
absolutely. Absolutely.

2250
02:08:42,420 --> 02:08:45,390
Absolutely. Good job here to
check it out of here, Doc.

2251
02:08:46,170 --> 02:08:48,180
John C Dvorak: But that of
course, is not checked goes the

2252
02:08:48,180 --> 02:08:49,500
other way. Yeah, well, this

2253
02:08:49,530 --> 02:08:55,470
Adam Curry: this is true. This
of course, is not the big pharma

2254
02:08:55,740 --> 02:09:02,070
ad for this season. No, this
season is all about

2255
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:08,220
Thanksgiving. Is it? Do you say
Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving? I

2256
02:09:08,220 --> 02:09:10,440
hear people say Thanksgiving
instead of Thanksgiving.

2257
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:11,700
John C Dvorak: I say
Thanksgiving.

2258
02:09:13,230 --> 02:09:15,600
Adam Curry: Thanksgiving. Yeah.
For Thanksgiving.

2259
02:09:16,260 --> 02:09:18,720
John C Dvorak: It's
Thanksgiving. Okay.

2260
02:09:20,940 --> 02:09:24,570
Adam Curry: Anyway, back to the
season. Of course. We have

2261
02:09:24,870 --> 02:09:28,680
something fantastic on the
market right now. We're so happy

2262
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:32,040
to have this because people
usually struggle around this

2263
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:36,330
season, when there's a lot of
food around and luckily we've

2264
02:09:36,330 --> 02:09:39,600
got some weight loss drugs for
you. Which one shall we sell on

2265
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:40,110
NBC

2266
02:09:40,140 --> 02:09:42,480
Unknown: we gather tonight with
friends and family getting ready

2267
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:45,840
for the Thanksgiving holiday.
Some are changing the way many

2268
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:48,420
people think about their
Thanksgiving feast. The growing

2269
02:09:48,420 --> 02:09:52,500
popularity of weight loss drugs,
Stephanie Goss on a holiday meal

2270
02:09:52,500 --> 02:09:53,220
game changer.

2271
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:58,320
It's a game changer. stepaside
stuffing and pumpkin pie for

2272
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:01,920
many Americans the focus this
Thanksgiving may be less on the

2273
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:05,520
food. The use of revolutionary
weight loss and diabetes

2274
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:10,170
medications is skyrocketing for
some people that this holiday is

2275
02:10:10,170 --> 02:10:13,950
about piling up a lot of food on
your plate. Is that something

2276
02:10:13,950 --> 02:10:16,230
that you would do anymore? Now?

2277
02:10:17,010 --> 02:10:19,200
Absolutely not. Absolute Barrow

2278
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:23,880
lost 75 pounds in the last year
taking the diabetes drug Manjaro

2279
02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,630
and just not eating the same
amount that you used to. But it

2280
02:10:27,630 --> 02:10:31,110
all looks so good, but you just
don't have anywhere to put it.

2281
02:10:31,470 --> 02:10:33,990
At the end of the day. How can
you resist that pumpkin pie?

2282
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:40,950
Jackie? You can't resist you
know, just a little bit. The

2283
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:43,890
conservative estimate is that at
least 3 million people are

2284
02:10:43,890 --> 02:10:48,240
taking Diabetes drugs ozempic
And Manjaro or the obesity drug

2285
02:10:48,270 --> 02:10:52,050
will go V Do you think people
are gonna buy less turkeys? I

2286
02:10:52,050 --> 02:10:54,450
doubt that's gonna happen this
Thanksgiving. But while the

2287
02:10:54,450 --> 02:10:58,170
bottom line for food companies
hasn't changed, the industry is

2288
02:10:58,170 --> 02:11:01,860
definitely paying attention. In
October Walmart CEO told

2289
02:11:01,860 --> 02:11:04,350
Bloomberg that shoppers who were
picking up prescriptions to

2290
02:11:04,350 --> 02:11:07,890
weight loss medications, were
buying less food. Why do you

2291
02:11:07,890 --> 02:11:10,200
think food companies will start
adapting

2292
02:11:10,290 --> 02:11:14,640
easy options are things like
portion control. If people are

2293
02:11:14,640 --> 02:11:18,570
saying I get full faster, then
maybe I want to pivot to

2294
02:11:18,570 --> 02:11:20,700
something that smaller portion
sizes,

2295
02:11:20,820 --> 02:11:23,670
which is what grandmother Jackie
Barrows says she will prefer

2296
02:11:23,670 --> 02:11:27,240
tomorrow while she enjoys some
of her newfound energy.

2297
02:11:27,420 --> 02:11:30,120
I'll be running around with the
kids. I am thankful

2298
02:11:30,150 --> 02:11:34,380
I am going to be able to do this
and enjoy it more this time with

2299
02:11:34,380 --> 02:11:38,730
a little less food and lots more
family. Wonderful. This

2300
02:11:38,730 --> 02:11:40,950
John C Dvorak: is a new load
thing in there. As you catch it

2301
02:11:41,850 --> 02:11:47,130
increases your energy to run
around with the kid granny

2302
02:11:51,180 --> 02:11:54,600
Adam Curry: I did get boots on
the ground very well done boots

2303
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:58,680
on the ground from a family
physician in the Netherlands. I

2304
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:06,930
just got out of a Pfizer lunch
and a walltime yes about the

2305
02:12:06,930 --> 02:12:11,040
winter respiratory infections.
It seems like they are lining up

2306
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:15,630
medical professionals for more
awareness on Respiratory

2307
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:21,600
Syndrome by E trying to scare
them by have to disagree with J

2308
02:12:21,630 --> 02:12:25,260
JCD. RSV has been a very common
respiratory infection in

2309
02:12:25,260 --> 02:12:29,160
children up to one year has no
specific treatment, but as a

2310
02:12:29,160 --> 02:12:31,920
common reason for
hospitalization for support or

2311
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,580
oxygen where they present with
an asthma attack. However, Mike

2312
02:12:35,610 --> 02:12:39,000
John C Dvorak: my thing you
can't disagree with me. Because

2313
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:43,980
I never said anything except the
following. I have never heard of

2314
02:12:43,980 --> 02:12:46,260
this disease until three years
ago. Yes,

2315
02:12:46,260 --> 02:12:48,060
Adam Curry: that's correct. You
have not ever heard of it.

2316
02:12:48,090 --> 02:12:49,560
That's correct. Lots of

2317
02:12:49,830 --> 02:12:51,900
John C Dvorak: people disagree.
I am not lying.

2318
02:12:53,370 --> 02:12:56,070
Adam Curry: No, you're not
lying. It's in fact it is a

2319
02:12:56,070 --> 02:13:00,240
classic JCD move. There's no
evidence and evidence I've ever

2320
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:02,640
heard of this. There's no
evidence you ever heard of this?

2321
02:13:02,850 --> 02:13:06,510
Up until three years ago?
Correct. Both Pfizer and

2322
02:13:06,510 --> 02:13:11,070
GlaxoSmithKline have an RSV
vaccine in the pipeline's about

2323
02:13:11,070 --> 02:13:15,360
70 pregnant mothers need to take
the vaccine to prevent one

2324
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,000
hospitalization of their
children. This is the data you

2325
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:22,320
got from the lunch. The GSK
trial has problems with higher

2326
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:26,160
rates of preterm birth and even
death. Sounds like

2327
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:28,680
John C Dvorak: a winner who is
giving on the seminar again was

2328
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:33,240
the name of the company. Pfizer
Pfizer Of course, why are they

2329
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:35,910
gonna start plugging the other
guys products? I don't think so.

2330
02:13:35,940 --> 02:13:38,820
No, he's not plugging the guy.
He's Oh, no, the Pfizer they're

2331
02:13:38,820 --> 02:13:41,520
gonna present some they're not
gonna present good news about

2332
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:44,160
Jesus Exactly. GlaxoSmithKline

2333
02:13:44,190 --> 02:13:46,410
Adam Curry: No, they said that
their vaccine is killing

2334
02:13:46,410 --> 02:13:49,650
John C Dvorak: people still is
killing people. It's

2335
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:53,370
Adam Curry: probably a minor
problem in adults compared to

2336
02:13:53,370 --> 02:14:00,480
flu COVID and Mikako. Pneumonia
RSV was found in 5.7% of about

2337
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:05,550
20,000 elderly in a Dutch study
median age 75 non wherever

2338
02:14:05,550 --> 02:14:12,480
hospitalized. You go so so this
giving it to old people is the

2339
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:16,140
new thing, which is of course
there it was to rip off Medicare

2340
02:14:16,140 --> 02:14:19,980
and, and government totally
government money. That's what

2341
02:14:19,980 --> 02:14:22,620
it's about that just to make
money. Just tell everybody.

2342
02:14:24,300 --> 02:14:26,580
John C Dvorak: When I'm old
enough, I've been collecting

2343
02:14:27,060 --> 02:14:34,260
Medicare Medicare for years, and
you see it when you go just for

2344
02:14:34,260 --> 02:14:38,190
a checkup or anything. They are
trying to come up with anything

2345
02:14:38,190 --> 02:14:41,580
they can do to charge more to
the government. And I see right

2346
02:14:41,610 --> 02:14:44,130
I'm looking at what I know why
don't want this just I don't

2347
02:14:44,130 --> 02:14:46,590
want that shot. I don't want
this. I don't want that and they

2348
02:14:46,590 --> 02:14:50,670
always back off. Oh yeah, you
don't really need it. But they

2349
02:14:50,670 --> 02:14:54,180
really want you to sign up for
everything so they can gouge the

2350
02:14:54,180 --> 02:14:57,240
government. Yeah, this is really
the problem with Medicare.

2351
02:14:57,630 --> 02:14:59,250
Adam Curry: Of course it is.
It's horrible.

2352
02:14:59,370 --> 02:15:00,840
John C Dvorak: Why is it going
I'm broke because they're

2353
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:02,880
gouging the government. Yeah.

2354
02:15:04,770 --> 02:15:09,360
Adam Curry: I'm just I have two
more clips before I can take a

2355
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:15,510
break. And then we can certainly
do some randos. The and we had a

2356
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:18,150
dinner the other night. I'm
looking at this copper price.

2357
02:15:18,150 --> 02:15:21,690
Did you see that this this
copper company collapsed. This

2358
02:15:21,690 --> 02:15:26,850
Chinese copper company mica
metals? Yeah. I mean, the copper

2359
02:15:26,850 --> 02:15:31,980
is, there's no way that this
something is wrong. We have all

2360
02:15:31,980 --> 02:15:36,870
these manufacturers saying we're
going to make electric vehicles,

2361
02:15:37,110 --> 02:15:40,140
but there's no demand for copper
and the copper mines are

2362
02:15:40,140 --> 02:15:44,940
closing. I don't understand it.
That makes no sense. And then we

2363
02:15:44,940 --> 02:15:50,040
had a dinner and there's a guy
who works at Mercedes Benz and

2364
02:15:50,070 --> 02:15:55,500
he says it's horrible. He says
it is it is horrible was

2365
02:15:55,500 --> 02:15:58,560
happening because he's like a
he's like a internal combustion

2366
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:03,330
engine guy. He says this is no
good. And they said they, I

2367
02:16:03,330 --> 02:16:08,190
guess the EQ. I don't know what
it's there's some Evie Mercedes

2368
02:16:08,190 --> 02:16:14,280
sells. And the battery, just the
battery, guess how much it costs

2369
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:19,260
just to just $30,000? Or do you
6000? He says, you have an

2370
02:16:19,260 --> 02:16:23,430
accident. Immediately that thing
has to be replaced. He says no,

2371
02:16:23,460 --> 02:16:25,650
the insurance companies are not
going to insure

2372
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:28,500
John C Dvorak: total everything
out. They're not going to insure

2373
02:16:28,500 --> 02:16:30,570
the insurance for those cars is
going to go way up.

2374
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:34,080
Adam Curry: And so I said I
said, so. What is Formula One

2375
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:37,110
McLaren? Are they going to do
all battery cars? He says no,

2376
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:42,390
it's worse. He says the AMG now
AMG is the like the high end

2377
02:16:42,390 --> 02:16:44,070
Mercedes with a aftermarket

2378
02:16:44,670 --> 02:16:48,720
John C Dvorak: company for
jacking up Mercedes cars. Right.

2379
02:16:48,720 --> 02:16:51,930
But they sell them as new. I
mean it ya know, their new cars.

2380
02:16:51,930 --> 02:16:54,960
Yeah. And they put their jacked
up, they get better horsepower,

2381
02:16:54,960 --> 02:16:57,150
they look better. Everything
about him is cool, right?

2382
02:16:57,270 --> 02:17:02,490
Adam Curry: So they're now so I
said, he said, what's gonna

2383
02:17:02,490 --> 02:17:05,850
happen with the AMG S he said,
they're gonna put batteries in

2384
02:17:05,850 --> 02:17:12,690
them and then like a four
cylinder engine. So they're

2385
02:17:12,690 --> 02:17:15,960
gonna they're still gonna sell
this AMG as a high high

2386
02:17:15,960 --> 02:17:20,400
horsepower car. But it's all
coming from batteries. And the

2387
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:23,070
engine just going to be a little
four cylinder clunker. Yeah,

2388
02:17:23,070 --> 02:17:28,050
like the case. 100 cc or
something? Yeah, some motorcycle

2389
02:17:28,050 --> 02:17:31,980
engine. I mean, what are people
gonna buy this? I can't believe

2390
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:34,320
people are gonna buy this will

2391
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,110
John C Dvorak: from him. They'll
buy anything from AMG. I mean,

2392
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:39,780
the Prius you people don't
realize that a Prius which is

2393
02:17:39,780 --> 02:17:43,650
the highest the real winner of a
hybrid? Yeah, it's doesn't even

2394
02:17:43,650 --> 02:17:48,120
have a normal combustion engine
in the front to make it a hybrid

2395
02:17:48,210 --> 02:17:52,590
is some three cylinder weird
engine. That's yeah, it's not

2396
02:17:52,590 --> 02:17:55,950
even a normal engine. So why
ankle and when it starts up the

2397
02:17:55,950 --> 02:17:58,230
whole car shakes like a son of a
bitch.

2398
02:17:58,470 --> 02:18:01,560
Adam Curry: It's a wacko motor.
I tell you know, now Toyota has

2399
02:18:01,560 --> 02:18:03,990
announced a car that runs on
ammonia.

2400
02:18:04,650 --> 02:18:06,660
John C Dvorak: Yeah, this
doesn't sound right. They're

2401
02:18:06,660 --> 02:18:09,960
gonna get an ammonia car. Forget
it. Not me flying

2402
02:18:09,960 --> 02:18:14,070
Adam Curry: bombs, what they
think is stupid. Anyway, they

2403
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:18,060
will be necessary because, well,
maybe not. We're basically dead.

2404
02:18:18,090 --> 02:18:21,060
I mean, we've missed it. We've
blown it. We're supposed to keep

2405
02:18:21,060 --> 02:18:25,950
the temperature down 1.5 degrees
41 here and in the hill country.

2406
02:18:25,950 --> 02:18:29,280
But okay. That's not the lead
story. CNN Earth

2407
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:31,590
Unknown: matters series a moment
scientists have been warning

2408
02:18:31,590 --> 02:18:34,350
about for decades. For the first
time, the global average

2409
02:18:34,350 --> 02:18:37,830
temperature on Friday was more
than two degrees Celsius hotter

2410
02:18:37,830 --> 02:18:41,730
than levels, industrialization.
That's a crucial threshold that

2411
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,630
have irreversible impacts on the
planet. Let's go to CNN CHIEF

2412
02:18:45,630 --> 02:18:48,570
climate correspondent Bill Weir.
So Bill, walk us through the

2413
02:18:48,570 --> 02:18:51,540
significance of this and what
the impacts could be.

2414
02:18:52,590 --> 02:18:55,830
well beyond that, of course, the
Paris accord was hoping to hold

2415
02:18:55,830 --> 02:19:00,960
things at 1.5 degrees Celsius
with a limit of two 1/3 of the

2416
02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:04,950
days this year, we're above 1.5
degrees. That's how hot the last

2417
02:19:04,950 --> 02:19:09,390
12 months had been. And yes,
humanity reached that red letter

2418
02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:12,360
two degrees Celsius point. This
is the really the troubling

2419
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:15,090
point. Science has always
pointed to as a point where we

2420
02:19:15,090 --> 02:19:18,390
start to see these tipping
points where methane is released

2421
02:19:18,390 --> 02:19:22,200
in the Arctic perhaps or I
shells on the Antarctic might

2422
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:25,050
break off and things could
happen suddenly, that of course

2423
02:19:25,050 --> 02:19:27,180
might happen after decades of
bubble

2424
02:19:27,210 --> 02:19:30,600
Adam Curry: that's that's
totally climate, climate of

2425
02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:34,620
fear. Where you know, where they
blew up a part of the Arctic

2426
02:19:34,620 --> 02:19:37,800
shelf, and then a piece of ice
broke off. And that was the

2427
02:19:37,800 --> 02:19:39,840
worst thing that could ever
happen, which he doesn't

2428
02:19:40,050 --> 02:19:44,310
exactly. Explain what happens.
But when that ice shelf breaks,

2429
02:19:44,340 --> 02:19:45,600
we're all dead in the

2430
02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:49,230
Unknown: Arctic, perhaps or ice
shelves on the Antarctic might

2431
02:19:49,230 --> 02:19:52,080
break off and things could
happen suddenly, that of course

2432
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:55,380
might happen after decades above
two degrees, not just a short

2433
02:19:55,380 --> 02:19:57,660
period. But if you look at that
chart from Copernicus, this is

2434
02:19:57,660 --> 02:20:01,980
the UN's or the Jarrah, you Your
space and climate agency, you

2435
02:20:01,980 --> 02:20:04,980
see the red line where we are
right off the charts compared to

2436
02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:08,460
the decades that come before the
spaghetti at the bottom are 10

2437
02:20:08,460 --> 02:20:12,150
year periods going back to the
40s. Off The Charts, warmest and

2438
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:15,660
125,000 years. And on top of
this, we just got a new

2439
02:20:15,660 --> 02:20:18,900
projection from the UN that just
looked at the plans for fossil

2440
02:20:18,900 --> 02:20:21,990
fuel extraction. Are you ready?
What's underway? What's in the

2441
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:27,750
pipeline? They say well warm us
up to double right now. Point

2442
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:31,200
nine degrees as well, that
despite all the pledges to

2443
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:37,230
decarbonize that emissions hit a
record in 2022, over 57 tonnes

2444
02:20:37,230 --> 02:20:40,860
of carbon put up in the sky, it
needs to come down at a rate of

2445
02:20:40,860 --> 02:20:46,320
29% by the end of this decade by
2030. The honor we're on track

2446
02:20:46,320 --> 02:20:50,640
now, just with all the pledges
met be less than 10% decrease.

2447
02:20:50,670 --> 02:20:51,720
Oh, no, we're

2448
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:54,360
Adam Curry: dead. Man. I can't
believe you're alive. I know.

2449
02:20:54,420 --> 02:20:57,510
Are you are you going with me? I
mean, we shouldn't be dead by

2450
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:58,740
this. It's just horrible.

2451
02:20:58,740 --> 02:21:01,500
John C Dvorak: I don't know.
Now, I like the weather.

2452
02:21:02,700 --> 02:21:04,560
Adam Curry: Warm over there.
It's nice. We could use a little

2453
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:09,750
warmer I could take two to two
degrees Celsius. So now this is

2454
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:16,200
a gym. So sometime in 2024. If
all goes according to the evil

2455
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:22,710
plans of the elites, we will
have this this W H O World

2456
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:26,850
Health Organization treaty
signed and ratified by all

2457
02:21:27,060 --> 02:21:32,280
member states. And this includes
the United States, as our

2458
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:37,200
country has a treaty we have the
treaty is already in place. This

2459
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:41,820
is an upgrade to the treaty,
which I believe does not even

2460
02:21:41,820 --> 02:21:45,960
have to be ratified by our
Congress. That's where they can

2461
02:21:45,960 --> 02:21:49,020
get sort of grandfathered in.
It's something like that. And

2462
02:21:49,050 --> 02:21:52,980
what Angela and this is being
warned about in European

2463
02:21:52,980 --> 02:21:56,340
Parliament. I haven't really
seen it in Congress, but you

2464
02:21:56,340 --> 02:21:58,980
know, there's a lot of people
saying, hey, they're gonna have

2465
02:21:59,010 --> 02:22:04,050
a lot of power. You know? I'm
sorry. Too much power too much

2466
02:22:04,050 --> 02:22:07,860
power. Now. No one's really
taken this seriously because you

2467
02:22:07,860 --> 02:22:12,690
get that what's the douchebags
name from Nigeria? does or does

2468
02:22:12,690 --> 02:22:17,370
does, man. What's his name? The
the head of the who the guy we

2469
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:19,620
kept. We kept that guy. That's
his name.

2470
02:22:19,650 --> 02:22:22,170
John C Dvorak: trollee just call
him that guy. Back to understand

2471
02:22:22,170 --> 02:22:23,520
him half the time that guy

2472
02:22:23,610 --> 02:22:28,020
Adam Curry: Wow. I'm a bit
annoyed. No, not Desmond Tutu.

2473
02:22:29,490 --> 02:22:34,380
Troll. I'm trying to be helpful.
No, Tedros Tedros. There we go.

2474
02:22:34,380 --> 02:22:40,080
Tadros headrace. So yeah, he's
hard to take serious. But there

2475
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:48,510
is a person at the W H. O. Who
kind of scares me. Who is our

2476
02:22:48,510 --> 02:22:54,450
envoy? Who is the the United
States is Deus do chef when it

2477
02:22:54,450 --> 02:23:00,930
comes to climate change? I don't
know who John Kerry. Oh, that

2478
02:23:00,930 --> 02:23:05,250
guy. Right? Well guess where his
daughter is? Our guest

2479
02:23:05,250 --> 02:23:08,700
Unknown: today is Vanessa Kerry
In June she became the first

2480
02:23:08,700 --> 02:23:13,710
ever climate change and health
boy for the One Health.

2481
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:18,000
John C Dvorak: Is she like a
climatologist or she famous

2482
02:23:18,660 --> 02:23:21,720
scientist and he's done a lot of
research and a lot of papers and

2483
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:24,990
she knows all about climate is
out why she got this position?

2484
02:23:25,380 --> 02:23:28,200
Adam Curry: Well, I don't know.
But the unfortunate things is

2485
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:30,960
that she has her dad's face. So

2486
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:32,970
John C Dvorak: oh my god. Our

2487
02:23:32,970 --> 02:23:36,210
Unknown: guest today is Vanessa
Kerry In June she became the

2488
02:23:36,210 --> 02:23:41,130
first ever climate change and
health Special Envoy for the

2489
02:23:41,130 --> 02:23:44,790
World Health Organization's as
such, she will be front and

2490
02:23:44,790 --> 02:23:50,130
center at the upcoming cop 28 in
Dubai. So we'll be her father,

2491
02:23:50,130 --> 02:23:54,270
John Kerry, who is the Special
climate envoy of the Biden

2492
02:23:54,270 --> 02:23:55,200
administration. She

2493
02:23:55,200 --> 02:24:00,450
Adam Curry: is in fact a doctor.
She is a she's a picture on her

2494
02:24:00,450 --> 02:24:05,130
Wikipedia. She's wearing a lab
coat with a stethoscope around

2495
02:24:05,130 --> 02:24:05,760
her neck.

2496
02:24:06,300 --> 02:24:09,000
John C Dvorak: She actually
there's one picture of her here.

2497
02:24:09,690 --> 02:24:12,720
Straight up straight on. She
looks you know kind of okay. But

2498
02:24:12,750 --> 02:24:16,560
there's any semi profile. She
looks like a transgender male.

2499
02:24:16,620 --> 02:24:19,770
Unknown: And Dr. Vanessa Kerry
joins us from Boston. Thank you

2500
02:24:19,770 --> 02:24:23,040
very much. So obviously, when
people think about climate

2501
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:27,780
change, they don't necessarily
think about health. You're

2502
02:24:27,780 --> 02:24:31,080
appointed the first to be
appointed in that position. What

2503
02:24:31,080 --> 02:24:35,550
does it tell us about the
importance of health in the

2504
02:24:35,550 --> 02:24:37,020
climate change issue?

2505
02:24:37,110 --> 02:24:40,980
Well, I think we have learned
with great, great understanding

2506
02:24:40,980 --> 02:24:43,590
in the most recent years that
the climate crisis is a health

2507
02:24:43,590 --> 02:24:45,570
crisis. And already

2508
02:24:45,570 --> 02:24:47,730
Adam Curry: climate. You're
moving through it but you're

2509
02:24:47,730 --> 02:24:51,510
missing what she's saying, say
climate crisis is a health

2510
02:24:51,510 --> 02:24:51,810
crisis

2511
02:24:51,810 --> 02:24:53,970
Unknown: and health crisis in
the most recent years that the

2512
02:24:53,970 --> 02:24:58,020
climate crisis is a health
crisis. And already we see 7

2513
02:24:58,020 --> 02:25:02,040
million people a year die Ain't
from air pollution, for example.

2514
02:25:02,370 --> 02:25:05,520
That's more than we saw in the
entire COVID pandemic over three

2515
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:08,790
years. And that's one person
every five seconds so that by

2516
02:25:08,790 --> 02:25:11,640
the time I complete my next
sentence, someone else will have

2517
02:25:11,640 --> 02:25:12,060
died.

2518
02:25:12,090 --> 02:25:13,770
Adam Curry: Stop, no, no, stop
talking.

2519
02:25:15,150 --> 02:25:18,210
Unknown: You're killing people.
And we see this in every aspect

2520
02:25:18,210 --> 02:25:21,960
of health, the way climate
change is impacting our lived

2521
02:25:21,960 --> 02:25:25,860
experience. And so there's a
very real Oh,

2522
02:25:25,860 --> 02:25:29,070
Adam Curry: our lived
experience, oh, goodness, this

2523
02:25:29,070 --> 02:25:30,240
cheesy cliche, every

2524
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,790
Unknown: aspect of health, the
way climate change is impacting

2525
02:25:33,360 --> 02:25:38,280
our lived experience. And so
there's a very real opportunity

2526
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:41,550
for us to have a health centered
approach to climate change, and

2527
02:25:41,550 --> 02:25:45,300
to be able to ensure that we're
protecting how we live, how we

2528
02:25:45,300 --> 02:25:50,820
breathe, how we know what we can
do in our lives. And so the

2529
02:25:50,820 --> 02:25:56,340
appointment is really just an
opportunity to continue to

2530
02:25:56,340 --> 02:25:58,920
really flag the urgency of what
we face.

2531
02:25:59,220 --> 02:26:04,980
Adam Curry: Save the climate
wear a mask. This this we're

2532
02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:09,000
gonna this is how you get
climate lockdowns is bad for

2533
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:13,380
your health right now. Because
you're driving a internal

2534
02:26:13,380 --> 02:26:19,020
combustion engine you need to
stay home these people and this

2535
02:26:19,020 --> 02:26:25,080
is what kind of nepotism is
this? Have John Kerry's daughter

2536
02:26:25,080 --> 02:26:31,230
at the who? Social convoy
Special Envoy oh yes I'll be

2537
02:26:31,230 --> 02:26:35,310
communicating with with Tadros
Yeah, you know, Teddy and I we

2538
02:26:35,310 --> 02:26:37,530
had a meeting, we think you
should lock your

2539
02:26:37,650 --> 02:26:41,460
John C Dvorak: co founder or the
founder of the nonprofit Seed

2540
02:26:41,460 --> 02:26:47,460
Global Health and that seems to
be her her and she still does

2541
02:26:47,460 --> 02:26:51,330
that seems to be her main thing
formerly known as the Global

2542
02:26:51,330 --> 02:26:57,120
Health Services core founded in
2011, Peace Corps for doctors

2543
02:26:57,120 --> 02:26:57,840
and nurses

2544
02:27:01,770 --> 02:27:04,320
Adam Curry: I have one last
boots on the ground I just

2545
02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:08,610
wanted to read and we have
noticed certainly with the with

2546
02:27:08,610 --> 02:27:13,410
the multiple wars that we are
funding that the reports often

2547
02:27:13,410 --> 02:27:18,000
have a lot of gunfire and
missile launchers and rockets

2548
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:22,080
and bombs and I have a new one
for today's show. Well if you if

2549
02:27:22,080 --> 02:27:24,990
you play it then I'll I will
hold my boots on the ground. So

2550
02:27:25,020 --> 02:27:26,640
after we've played that because
this

2551
02:27:26,670 --> 02:27:30,510
John C Dvorak: is actually on
the ISO list, okay, and it's the

2552
02:27:30,510 --> 02:27:37,200
ISO rat that tat just nice.
longtime

2553
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:39,270
Adam Curry: listener started
longtime listener started

2554
02:27:39,270 --> 02:27:42,480
listening during COVID will not
that long. boots on the ground

2555
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:45,120
report when it comes to the
explosions you guys always make

2556
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:48,720
fun of when listening to a News
Package. They're called NAT

2557
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:57,000
pops. Ie natural sounds na T P O
P s NAT pops are natural sounds

2558
02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:01,800
ie guns firing explosions jet
zooming by that are indeed used

2559
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:06,390
to break up reporter track in a
news package. It's a strategy we

2560
02:28:06,390 --> 02:28:10,770
use to bring the viewer into the
story. In real life our world is

2561
02:28:10,770 --> 02:28:14,520
filled full of NAT pops. It's
supposed to draw the viewer in

2562
02:28:14,520 --> 02:28:17,220
at least that's the theory. It's
a lot less boring than just

2563
02:28:17,220 --> 02:28:20,010
hearing a reporter track a voice
all throughout the package.

2564
02:28:20,370 --> 02:28:24,420
Anybody who works editing video
in News knows this strategy. And

2565
02:28:24,420 --> 02:28:27,630
the bosses are always making
sure we use these not pops in

2566
02:28:27,630 --> 02:28:31,710
our storytelling. video editors
who don't use this strategy are

2567
02:28:31,710 --> 02:28:35,520
usually the sucky are ones also
in my humble opinion and

2568
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:41,400
everybody else who edits video
not pops separate. Separate bad

2569
02:28:41,400 --> 02:28:45,210
or okay stories from great
stories. For anyone wondering

2570
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:48,630
I'm a photojournalist for a news
company in Phoenix shoot, edit

2571
02:28:48,630 --> 02:28:52,080
and even write stories I work in
tandem with reporters and news

2572
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:53,430
producers daily

2573
02:28:54,300 --> 02:28:57,090
John C Dvorak: There you go he's
he's in the business he's in the

2574
02:28:57,090 --> 02:28:59,940
Adam Curry: biz net but we've
never had a name for it not pop

2575
02:28:59,940 --> 02:29:00,240
no

2576
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:03,510
John C Dvorak: we never did we
were well we never worked in

2577
02:29:03,510 --> 02:29:09,030
that field but reporting war
stories net POM that pops yeah

2578
02:29:09,060 --> 02:29:09,870
Adam Curry: not pops.

2579
02:29:09,930 --> 02:29:12,180
John C Dvorak: I like it. Good
so Okay, now we know and

2580
02:29:12,180 --> 02:29:13,830
Adam Curry: with that I'd like
to thank you for your currency

2581
02:29:13,830 --> 02:29:16,830
in the morning to you the man
who put the sea in the chain of

2582
02:29:16,830 --> 02:29:19,500
argument ladies and gentlemen
say hello to my friend on the

2583
02:29:19,500 --> 02:29:20,970
other end one only Mr. John

2584
02:29:24,840 --> 02:29:27,540
John C Dvorak: Well, in the
morning do Mr. Adam curiosity in

2585
02:29:27,540 --> 02:29:30,840
the morning all ships and sea
boots on the ground feed near

2586
02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:34,530
subs in the water and all the
dames knights out there and in

2587
02:29:34,530 --> 02:29:34,950
the morning.

2588
02:29:36,840 --> 02:29:39,090
Adam Curry: Now we don't expect
a lot of trolls but let's see

2589
02:29:44,010 --> 02:29:49,830
there's a shortage of trolls
1316 That's probably the worst

2590
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:50,520
Have you ever had

2591
02:29:51,090 --> 02:29:53,940
John C Dvorak: 1316 is the
lowest for Thursday but this

2592
02:29:53,970 --> 02:29:58,200
Thursday? I don't remember doing
this count last Thanksgiving.

2593
02:29:58,770 --> 02:30:01,410
Adam Curry: No probably did not
And we'd like to remind

2594
02:30:01,410 --> 02:30:03,180
everybody we're working on
Thanksgiving.

2595
02:30:04,350 --> 02:30:06,870
John C Dvorak: Yeah. So we
probably like Well, I figured

2596
02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:10,410
we'd lost to it. I've always
thought we'd lose 20% of the

2597
02:30:10,410 --> 02:30:13,740
audience on these holidays,
though, and we're sure

2598
02:30:13,740 --> 02:30:17,700
Adam Curry: Well, there you go.
And more than 20%, probably. And

2599
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:23,610
now back in the day, I remember
many, many a Thanksgiving, when

2600
02:30:23,610 --> 02:30:28,650
you would need to pause the show
to baste your turkey.

2601
02:30:30,270 --> 02:30:33,300
John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, we're
having to Turkey tomorrow. Oh,

2602
02:30:33,300 --> 02:30:34,410
of course. Of course.

2603
02:30:34,650 --> 02:30:37,470
Adam Curry: The Devorah acts.
Yes. We have Christmas in

2604
02:30:37,470 --> 02:30:45,210
January. Is giving on Friday.
Okay. Why is it whoa, because

2605
02:30:45,210 --> 02:30:46,830
Mimi has come as Mimi coming
down.

2606
02:30:47,220 --> 02:30:47,730
John C Dvorak: No,

2607
02:30:48,330 --> 02:30:49,260
Adam Curry: she's not coming.

2608
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:52,980
John C Dvorak: Not this time
while she's busy setting up the

2609
02:30:52,980 --> 02:30:55,080
Kindle. Oh,

2610
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:57,300
Adam Curry: this by the way is
this is Mimi have too many

2611
02:30:57,300 --> 02:30:58,920
eggs.com? Yeah,

2612
02:30:58,920 --> 02:31:02,100
John C Dvorak: too many eggs.com
Get some Christmas gifts while

2613
02:31:02,100 --> 02:31:05,010
you're at it. She is in the
kennel

2614
02:31:05,070 --> 02:31:07,350
Adam Curry: during the hey, you
know, you got to be careful with

2615
02:31:07,350 --> 02:31:07,920
the kennel.

2616
02:31:08,790 --> 02:31:11,130
John C Dvorak: You know about 30
Very busy tomorrow because of

2617
02:31:11,130 --> 02:31:12,090
the holiday.

2618
02:31:12,120 --> 02:31:14,280
Adam Curry: Oh, I wouldn't be so
sure.

2619
02:31:15,540 --> 02:31:17,790
John C Dvorak: We are all that
we know all about it. We know

2620
02:31:17,790 --> 02:31:22,020
all about the disease. And
there's certain things we will

2621
02:31:22,020 --> 02:31:24,930
do with this candle that no
other candles will do. Like dogs

2622
02:31:24,930 --> 02:31:26,130
can't share a ball.

2623
02:31:27,150 --> 02:31:30,780
Adam Curry: Well, so I just want
so you obviously know but we

2624
02:31:30,780 --> 02:31:34,350
didn't play any clips that
there's a mysterious dog illness

2625
02:31:34,350 --> 02:31:36,900
John C Dvorak: on the loose.
Yeah, the dog virus new dog

2626
02:31:36,900 --> 02:31:37,680
virus. I'm

2627
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:40,650
Adam Curry: waiting for mRNA
shot for your dog. That's what

2628
02:31:40,650 --> 02:31:41,400
I'm waiting for.

2629
02:31:41,610 --> 02:31:43,170
John C Dvorak: It's obviously
that's what's coming.

2630
02:31:43,590 --> 02:31:46,860
Adam Curry: It must be so it's
no ball sharing that that's the

2631
02:31:46,860 --> 02:31:47,550
ball sharing,

2632
02:31:47,550 --> 02:31:48,990
John C Dvorak: you know water
bowl sharing.

2633
02:31:50,820 --> 02:31:53,010
Adam Curry: No coughing each
other. Do you make the dogs wear

2634
02:31:53,010 --> 02:31:55,740
masks? You'd have to wear a
mask. All wear

2635
02:31:55,740 --> 02:31:57,630
John C Dvorak: masks to get
masks definitely come in.

2636
02:32:00,270 --> 02:32:03,240
Adam Curry: If you want to be a
troll, you can of course join

2637
02:32:03,240 --> 02:32:06,930
us. You can join us early on
show days. Darren O'Neill does

2638
02:32:07,020 --> 02:32:09,030
the rock'n'roll pre show you can
go to

2639
02:32:09,060 --> 02:32:12,540
John C Dvorak: and by the way,
Jack White stinks. And you know

2640
02:32:12,540 --> 02:32:16,320
that that last play was Jack
White and it was just a

2641
02:32:16,320 --> 02:32:20,820
cacophony of it was a mess. It
was not musical by any means.

2642
02:32:20,820 --> 02:32:21,060
Jack

2643
02:32:21,060 --> 02:32:24,300
Adam Curry: White is a weird
dude to man. He's weird. He's a

2644
02:32:24,300 --> 02:32:29,610
weird guy. He's just weird. You
ever met him? Yeah.

2645
02:32:29,790 --> 02:32:32,520
John C Dvorak: I wouldn't have
no no opportunity to meet him

2646
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:33,510
that I can think of

2647
02:32:33,720 --> 02:32:37,830
Adam Curry: weird dude.
Successful though. He's he's

2648
02:32:37,860 --> 02:32:40,380
he's pretty certain that he's
tz. Yeah, well, and that's not

2649
02:32:40,410 --> 02:32:44,100
that's not necessarily a given.
But he's parlayed that pretty

2650
02:32:44,100 --> 02:32:49,620
well as his own place where he
gigs and gotten pretty good to

2651
02:32:49,620 --> 02:32:53,310
meet him. Oh, my God. So long
ago. I don't remember. I've met

2652
02:32:53,310 --> 02:32:56,520
everybody. You name it. Name it
them Tchaikovsky met him.

2653
02:32:57,570 --> 02:32:59,040
John C Dvorak: George W. Bush.

2654
02:33:00,990 --> 02:33:02,190
Adam Curry: No, but

2655
02:33:02,550 --> 02:33:04,680
John C Dvorak: I did Donald
Trump.

2656
02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:08,250
Adam Curry: Hey, I should have
met him by now. Yeah,

2657
02:33:08,250 --> 02:33:10,290
John C Dvorak: you should have
been I feel that you know,

2658
02:33:11,100 --> 02:33:13,410
support for him is out the
window.

2659
02:33:13,740 --> 02:33:16,410
Adam Curry: Lost my vote. He can
go sit there with the with Bobby

2660
02:33:16,410 --> 02:33:24,870
The up. I'm Big Mike 2024. Baby.
That's where I'm going. You can

2661
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:28,170
become a troll by going to troll
room.io. I did meet Stephen

2662
02:33:28,170 --> 02:33:30,720
Hawking. Yes, I did. Stephen
Hawking. I met him remember

2663
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:34,890
that? No, no. Yes. I was in a
restaurant in Los Angeles. And

2664
02:33:34,890 --> 02:33:38,550
he was at the table next to me
and he had all these hot nurses.

2665
02:33:39,150 --> 02:33:39,960
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he always
had

2666
02:33:41,040 --> 02:33:46,770
Adam Curry: a wrench. Yes. Babel
Rama. A baby got him over here.

2667
02:33:48,510 --> 02:33:51,360
You can become a troll by going
to troll room.io where you can

2668
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:56,370
log in, you can start posting
right away. Or, and also, of

2669
02:33:56,370 --> 02:33:58,440
course, we have the stream
there. No agenda stream.com.

2670
02:33:58,440 --> 02:34:01,740
It's 24/7. As always a cool
podcast rolling. A lot of them

2671
02:34:01,740 --> 02:34:05,100
are live these days. And if not,
then it's still fun to troll

2672
02:34:05,100 --> 02:34:08,010
along with your fellow trolls.
You can get a modern podcast

2673
02:34:08,010 --> 02:34:13,050
app, go to podcast apps.com. A
number of them have the live

2674
02:34:13,050 --> 02:34:17,040
feature. And a curio caster
actually is if you don't even

2675
02:34:17,250 --> 02:34:21,240
need an app for that. It's a
website and you can that has the

2676
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:24,210
chat room right in there and
have been trolled along and do

2677
02:34:24,210 --> 02:34:27,150
everything. These are these are
great apps. And you'll want that

2678
02:34:27,150 --> 02:34:30,480
because when this show updates,
those apps know within 90

2679
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:35,160
seconds No more waiting around
for Apple to finally figure Oh,

2680
02:34:36,090 --> 02:34:40,890
there's a new new podcast No,
you know right away the magic of

2681
02:34:40,890 --> 02:34:47,820
pod ping. The value for value
proposition is what we started

2682
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:52,320
just about 16 years ago, and it
has kept us on the air and kept

2683
02:34:52,320 --> 02:34:56,400
us being able to continue to
deconstruct media for you twice

2684
02:34:56,400 --> 02:34:59,880
a week didn't we actually didn't
at some point we do three shows

2685
02:34:59,880 --> 02:35:01,050
that weak for maybe a

2686
02:35:01,050 --> 02:35:02,730
John C Dvorak: couple of weeks.
Never.

2687
02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:04,140
Adam Curry: I thought, Well, we
came we

2688
02:35:04,140 --> 02:35:06,300
John C Dvorak: came threatening
it. We came close. Like it was

2689
02:35:06,300 --> 02:35:09,750
like a running gag. Yeah. And
then we never did it. I

2690
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:12,360
Adam Curry: thought we tried it
once and was no no, that doesn't

2691
02:35:12,360 --> 02:35:13,410
work. No,

2692
02:35:13,440 --> 02:35:15,840
John C Dvorak: we did something
else. It was like we did a, I

2693
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:18,180
think one of our 200 She went
over our bonus shows or

2694
02:35:18,180 --> 02:35:19,950
something that was going to be
used for something else. And we

2695
02:35:19,950 --> 02:35:23,130
did it in the same during the
week when we did the other shows

2696
02:35:23,130 --> 02:35:26,370
and we realized we it's too much
work. Yeah, three Shows a week

2697
02:35:26,670 --> 02:35:31,680
Adam Curry: is actual work. I
mean, people like you just Yep.

2698
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:39,630
And it's like it's a it's not
just a job. It's a lifestyle.

2699
02:35:40,050 --> 02:35:42,540
It's a lifestyle. I mean,
literally, here we are on

2700
02:35:42,540 --> 02:35:46,710
Thanksgiving. The minute we're
done, I have to jump in the

2701
02:35:46,710 --> 02:35:49,530
shower, get ready, and I have 30
minutes to get to the

2702
02:35:49,530 --> 02:35:52,710
Thanksgiving dinner that that
we've been invited to. Where are

2703
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:55,410
you going? The international
arms dealer.

2704
02:35:56,760 --> 02:35:58,740
John C Dvorak: We should always
take your USA International

2705
02:35:58,740 --> 02:36:02,550
House of Pancakes. A great
Thanksgiving dinner there.

2706
02:36:02,580 --> 02:36:03,870
Adam Curry: Now the
international arms dealer is

2707
02:36:03,870 --> 02:36:07,590
great that his wife is moms for
Liberty leader so it'll be

2708
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:08,130
lively.

2709
02:36:08,250 --> 02:36:12,030
John C Dvorak: I might have so
with food be good. Oh, she

2710
02:36:12,030 --> 02:36:15,030
Adam Curry: isn't out she is top
notch. She's a

2711
02:36:15,030 --> 02:36:19,380
John C Dvorak: go there all the
time. What we do? A lot.

2712
02:36:21,000 --> 02:36:24,360
Adam Curry: My wife is a good
cook. I'm a good cook. But But

2713
02:36:24,360 --> 02:36:28,980
Andreea she, she her
presentation is above anything

2714
02:36:28,980 --> 02:36:32,370
we could achieve. She got great
presentation. He has great soft

2715
02:36:32,370 --> 02:36:36,270
skills. Yeah, no, she's good.
She's really good. And I'm

2716
02:36:36,270 --> 02:36:44,730
bringing a Dutch dessert which
is called spec cook. People

2717
02:36:44,730 --> 02:36:49,920
should take note of this spec
cook SPE K Koe K spec Cook,

2718
02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:54,630
which was sent to me by a
producer and he make it no I'm

2719
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:58,350
going to tell everybody I did
though. Please, Chad made way

2720
02:36:58,350 --> 02:37:00,960
you do it. I've made it. This is
what I used to do with stuffing.

2721
02:37:01,170 --> 02:37:04,140
I make stovetop and people would
love it. Oh, this is great

2722
02:37:04,140 --> 02:37:07,410
stuffing. Of course it is I
slaved over it's a family

2723
02:37:07,410 --> 02:37:10,200
recipe. Just stove top is the
best

2724
02:37:10,710 --> 02:37:13,770
John C Dvorak: stovetop. So what
is spec cook?

2725
02:37:14,070 --> 02:37:18,420
Adam Curry: Well look it up.
It's it's a multi layered cake.

2726
02:37:18,870 --> 02:37:23,040
And you usually cut it into
small pieces. small slices. No

2727
02:37:23,040 --> 02:37:29,400
more than a centimeter thick.
And it has just layers of like

2728
02:37:29,430 --> 02:37:34,950
soft cookie type substance. You
know like syrup maple syrupy

2729
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:39,120
type taste in there. It's it's
sweet. Look it up spec Cook. I'm

2730
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,250
John C Dvorak: looking at it
right now. Okay, and what do you

2731
02:37:41,250 --> 02:37:44,220
1000 layer cake. It's called.
Oh,

2732
02:37:44,940 --> 02:37:47,400
Adam Curry: okay, we called spec
cook. 1000.

2733
02:37:47,820 --> 02:37:50,880
John C Dvorak: Spec cook. 1000
layer cake mobile app is

2734
02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:53,940
Adam Curry: legit that takes
that's Chad GPT who just made

2735
02:37:53,940 --> 02:37:54,450
that? Oh, am

2736
02:37:54,450 --> 02:37:56,070
John C Dvorak: I looking at Jet
TPP

2737
02:37:57,060 --> 02:37:58,050
Adam Curry: it's a colonizer

2738
02:37:58,470 --> 02:38:00,900
John C Dvorak: go there's a
green version? Yes. Yep, there's

2739
02:38:00,900 --> 02:38:02,790
Adam Curry: green versions.
Yeah, this is the brown make the

2740
02:38:02,790 --> 02:38:03,000
green.

2741
02:38:03,030 --> 02:38:04,170
John C Dvorak: Is this the green
version?

2742
02:38:04,200 --> 02:38:07,440
Adam Curry: I don't know. I
haven't cut into it. I don't

2743
02:38:07,710 --> 02:38:10,230
green could be on the inside.
That could be you have a green

2744
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:14,220
layer on the inside. It's it's
very tasty. Very rich. It's very

2745
02:38:14,220 --> 02:38:17,370
people go that's rich. Very well
layered

2746
02:38:17,370 --> 02:38:20,400
John C Dvorak: spice cake spice
cake out. This extremely

2747
02:38:20,400 --> 02:38:25,710
harmonious blend of eastern and
western flavors. Yes. Indonesian

2748
02:38:25,740 --> 02:38:30,180
it's yeah all the good cooking
in in Holland is famed Indonesia

2749
02:38:30,330 --> 02:38:31,140
Indonesian

2750
02:38:31,140 --> 02:38:34,410
Adam Curry: influences Correct?
Yeah, thank you for reminding me

2751
02:38:34,440 --> 02:38:39,150
I cannot This is has Indonesian
influences. You can I pick this

2752
02:38:39,150 --> 02:38:43,620
up when I lived in Holland. I
picked up the art of spec cook

2753
02:38:43,740 --> 02:38:45,960
you know some people call it
1000 layer cake.

2754
02:38:46,230 --> 02:38:49,260
John C Dvorak: There's no
There's no way I'm looking at

2755
02:38:49,260 --> 02:38:52,650
this cake I'm saying there's no
way you're gonna cook this

2756
02:38:52,680 --> 02:38:56,340
Nobody that I know will make
this cake as little layers

2757
02:38:56,370 --> 02:39:00,060
Adam Curry: that's me baby I so
many layers I slaved over it. I

2758
02:39:00,060 --> 02:39:00,840
want people to

2759
02:39:01,260 --> 02:39:04,020
John C Dvorak: really believes
this story is there they have to

2760
02:39:04,020 --> 02:39:05,040
have something wrong with them.

2761
02:39:05,370 --> 02:39:08,700
Adam Curry: Well, there you go.
We are in the hill country. So

2762
02:39:08,700 --> 02:39:12,030
we appreciate time talent
treasure. That's that's what we

2763
02:39:12,090 --> 02:39:16,200
love getting from people. And
the way that works is look, you

2764
02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:19,710
got the show. You're hanging
around. Hey, wow, these guys

2765
02:39:19,710 --> 02:39:23,430
gave me some value some value
tainment and then they gave that

2766
02:39:23,430 --> 02:39:26,250
to me for free. I could just
listen to whenever I wanted to.

2767
02:39:26,250 --> 02:39:28,860
There's there's no subscription
fee, there was no

2768
02:39:28,860 --> 02:39:34,050
advertisements. There was no
Patreon no levels, didn't have

2769
02:39:34,050 --> 02:39:36,480
to do no paywall where you get
the premium

2770
02:39:36,480 --> 02:39:40,290
John C Dvorak: content or bonus
content at all. All premium

2771
02:39:40,290 --> 02:39:45,480
called 100%. Black every all the
content be premium. It was the

2772
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:46,560
rest of its crap.

2773
02:39:46,770 --> 02:39:49,470
Adam Curry: Exactly. Well, of
course the stuff that you get

2774
02:39:49,470 --> 02:39:52,770
for free is going to be crap.
Our stuff is Primo. It's a one

2775
02:39:52,770 --> 02:39:56,520
steak sauce right up front. And
all we ask is it from time to

2776
02:39:56,520 --> 02:40:00,660
time like that was valuable to
me. Send us them value back

2777
02:40:00,660 --> 02:40:04,140
time, talent, treasure. We have
a lot of people who provide us

2778
02:40:04,140 --> 02:40:06,870
with time. Namie provides us
with time and talent. She does.

2779
02:40:07,140 --> 02:40:10,980
The meetup list we have Daniel
he does meet up. And no agenda

2780
02:40:10,980 --> 02:40:12,180
meetups.com page.

2781
02:40:12,330 --> 02:40:15,240
John C Dvorak: Yes. Which is a
lot of work. Yes.

2782
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:19,710
Adam Curry: We have void zero
managing stuff. We have tons of

2783
02:40:19,710 --> 02:40:22,620
things we have. We have people
doing so much work posting

2784
02:40:22,620 --> 02:40:25,470
memes. I know agenda social.
Thank you for that value. That's

2785
02:40:25,470 --> 02:40:28,650
really highly appreciated. And
of course, I

2786
02:40:28,650 --> 02:40:29,370
John C Dvorak: like it and I'm,

2787
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:32,400
Adam Curry: I'm sure you do. If
you don't know now I've given

2788
02:40:32,400 --> 02:40:37,350
up. I'm done. I'm not even gonna
I'm not even liking or boosting

2789
02:40:37,350 --> 02:40:38,640
anybody anymore. I'm

2790
02:40:38,640 --> 02:40:41,250
John C Dvorak: not ever had in
the past. I know. I

2791
02:40:41,250 --> 02:40:44,010
Adam Curry: boosted a lot. Not
anymore. I'm done. I know.

2792
02:40:44,010 --> 02:40:48,030
Because the minute I say
something, the minute I troll.

2793
02:40:48,330 --> 02:40:52,200
Hey, man, that's not cool, man.
Yeah, he was annoyed.

2794
02:40:54,120 --> 02:40:55,950
John C Dvorak: Just blocked him.
Oh,

2795
02:40:56,340 --> 02:40:59,610
Adam Curry: and so I blocked
this one guy. And here's what he

2796
02:40:59,610 --> 02:41:06,120
did. So he took the picture of
me holding up the PhD. And then

2797
02:41:06,120 --> 02:41:10,740
he put an Israeli flag on it and
it says no agendas, new sponsor.

2798
02:41:12,060 --> 02:41:15,720
I'm like, so I blocked him. But
like you're always telling me to

2799
02:41:15,720 --> 02:41:20,220
do yes, you should. And then
he's like, reaching out to me

2800
02:41:20,220 --> 02:41:22,830
through back channels. You know,
other places grow

2801
02:41:22,830 --> 02:41:24,960
John C Dvorak: him if he's gonna
be that kind of a douchebag.

2802
02:41:24,990 --> 02:41:25,290
Hey,

2803
02:41:25,290 --> 02:41:29,760
Adam Curry: man, you couldn't
take the ribbing? The ribbing?

2804
02:41:29,790 --> 02:41:31,890
John C Dvorak: That's not
ripping us insulting. Yes.

2805
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:34,440
Adam Curry: Always. Eds has been
other insulting they use very

2806
02:41:34,440 --> 02:41:35,580
insulting if there's a

2807
02:41:35,580 --> 02:41:37,350
John C Dvorak: couple of guys
out there that are just nothing

2808
02:41:37,350 --> 02:41:40,110
more than do we insulting types?

2809
02:41:40,290 --> 02:41:42,150
Adam Curry: Clip Crestodina it
wasn't you

2810
02:41:43,530 --> 02:41:46,200
John C Dvorak: clip custodian.
He's like, I'm sorry.

2811
02:41:49,020 --> 02:41:54,480
Adam Curry: Anyway, so artists,
now the artists, the ones who

2812
02:41:54,480 --> 02:41:58,680
have been around know what we
like, and they really try very

2813
02:41:58,680 --> 02:42:01,230
hard. It's a competition but
it's also they're professional

2814
02:42:01,230 --> 02:42:04,830
artists. We we had Roger roundy
guy was top notch. He got a gig

2815
02:42:05,250 --> 02:42:09,120
when he left us. I mean, that's
that's how that's how important

2816
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:09,840
these artists are.

2817
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:12,030
John C Dvorak: He won once and
then that was the end.

2818
02:42:13,080 --> 02:42:16,080
Adam Curry: He was winning it.
He was winning and even thanked

2819
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:20,040
us without because he went to,
you know, to make political, the

2820
02:42:20,040 --> 02:42:23,940
illustrations he learned on the
job doing it for us for free.

2821
02:42:24,300 --> 02:42:27,720
And then once he got a gig, he
said screw those guys are

2822
02:42:27,720 --> 02:42:31,980
working for free. And we still
love him. That's okay.

2823
02:42:32,460 --> 02:42:35,100
John C Dvorak: He's on the he's
very active on the new agenda.

2824
02:42:35,100 --> 02:42:39,180
Social. Yeah, not constantly
boosting stuff. And he's taking

2825
02:42:39,180 --> 02:42:42,900
pictures of himself at meetups.
He's taking pictures of himself

2826
02:42:42,900 --> 02:42:46,890
with his girlfriend. He's taking
life there and he's taking

2827
02:42:46,890 --> 02:42:48,870
pictures of himself here and
there. Yeah,

2828
02:42:48,900 --> 02:42:53,460
Adam Curry: well, I'm glad I'm
glad he's able to do that. So we

2829
02:42:53,460 --> 02:42:55,380
of course want to thank the
artists who brought us the

2830
02:42:55,380 --> 02:42:59,520
artwork for the previous episode
1609 we've titled that one pain

2831
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:04,230
sponge, one of our snappier
titles, and pet Rex brought us

2832
02:43:04,230 --> 02:43:08,640
the obvious AI generated art but
that was okay because it was an

2833
02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:16,410
AI generated Monster eating the
world. And it was okay. I'd say

2834
02:43:16,410 --> 02:43:18,960
it was a seven and a half on a
scale of one to 10 but there

2835
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:21,780
really wasn't anything else we
looked at a number of things

2836
02:43:22,290 --> 02:43:22,860
trying to bring

2837
02:43:22,890 --> 02:43:25,650
John C Dvorak: pieces didn't
make any sense. Yeah, I'm not

2838
02:43:25,650 --> 02:43:28,440
sure with the AI artists is
sometimes doesn't make any

2839
02:43:28,440 --> 02:43:31,560
sense. It just looks good and
people like oh, it looks good.

2840
02:43:31,560 --> 02:43:35,400
Therefore, Darren Darren has got
a piece that was generated by AI

2841
02:43:35,400 --> 02:43:38,490
is pretty obvious for the girl
holding his sign say no to

2842
02:43:38,490 --> 02:43:43,290
genocide. I can barely read this
jet design. And he couldn't make

2843
02:43:43,290 --> 02:43:44,250
the sign any bigger

2844
02:43:44,340 --> 02:43:46,500
Adam Curry: and there's a lot
there's also a lot of stuff that

2845
02:43:46,500 --> 02:43:47,670
came in late

2846
02:43:48,960 --> 02:43:50,970
John C Dvorak: well those pieces
at the top came in late but that

2847
02:43:50,970 --> 02:43:55,200
wasn't going to change anything.
Now what was that all about? Ai

2848
02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:59,370
Adam Curry: so that Darren is
genocide Joe was the cute girl

2849
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:04,650
cute little cartoon girl say no
to genocide Joe but yeah, he

2850
02:44:04,650 --> 02:44:08,640
just throws it into dolly and
says make it we discussed for a

2851
02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:14,970
while the network's Firestorm
which was kind of cool. The gas

2852
02:44:14,970 --> 02:44:21,030
mask fireman's helmet with the x
we discussed that one but then

2853
02:44:21,300 --> 02:44:22,650
John C Dvorak: the day Well,
I'll tell you a couple things we

2854
02:44:22,650 --> 02:44:25,470
discussed about one I said hey,
it's a good one. I picked it. I

2855
02:44:25,470 --> 02:44:28,800
said let's get this because
it'll pop your hand and you

2856
02:44:28,800 --> 02:44:31,680
notice that because it's a white
on a white background and then

2857
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:35,790
you said it's not Yeah, it's on
a green bag and you said

2858
02:44:35,790 --> 02:44:39,570
greenish I think I said pink.
Okay, it's on a pink background

2859
02:44:39,570 --> 02:44:42,510
and as soon as you said that I
saw yes on a pink background.

2860
02:44:42,510 --> 02:44:45,840
It's not gonna pop that much. So
I don't know why I did that way

2861
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:46,080
put

2862
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:48,270
Adam Curry: it on a background
that has some off color. He

2863
02:44:48,270 --> 02:44:50,370
could have been a contender
networks and

2864
02:44:50,370 --> 02:44:53,190
John C Dvorak: you also did but
you didn't like the curry DeVore

2865
02:44:53,190 --> 02:44:54,570
egg on the axe heads.

2866
02:44:56,220 --> 02:45:00,300
Adam Curry: Well said no, I
didn't know on the AI Answer I

2867
02:45:00,300 --> 02:45:03,060
didn't like the curry Dvorak I
thought it was just a throwaway

2868
02:45:03,090 --> 02:45:07,380
there was no there was no love
put into our names there wasn't

2869
02:45:07,380 --> 02:45:11,730
look at it which one on the on
the part on the piece that one

2870
02:45:12,450 --> 02:45:15,420
creative work at the bottom? Yes
not this not there's no love.

2871
02:45:15,480 --> 02:45:15,690
That's

2872
02:45:15,690 --> 02:45:18,690
John C Dvorak: fine. That's what
you said. colorblindness came

2873
02:45:18,690 --> 02:45:20,790
into play that is a color
blindness color.

2874
02:45:23,310 --> 02:45:25,500
Adam Curry: And there was a lot
of Elon stuff which would

2875
02:45:25,500 --> 02:45:32,280
doesn't really funny. But tick
tock with babies. No, it was it

2876
02:45:32,280 --> 02:45:32,760
was there's

2877
02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:35,760
John C Dvorak: an AI piece at
the bottom by capitalist agenda.

2878
02:45:36,360 --> 02:45:42,540
That is so over the top AI is a
cute kind of piece but come on

2879
02:45:42,540 --> 02:45:45,960
people and I think we're doomed
we're not going to get anything

2880
02:45:45,960 --> 02:45:48,060
that's actually well done with
this is

2881
02:45:48,060 --> 02:45:52,230
Adam Curry: the problem with AI
is people get lazy that throws

2882
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:56,370
like make a thing with a guy
with a television put in a

2883
02:45:56,370 --> 02:45:59,850
turkey. Put him there this
letter and go

2884
02:46:02,010 --> 02:46:03,270
John C Dvorak: pretty much it
Yeah.

2885
02:46:04,110 --> 02:46:07,380
Adam Curry: Yeah, you can. You
know, it's funny. Because I had

2886
02:46:07,380 --> 02:46:10,680
my own AI here. Then you can
have a lot of fun with Michelle

2887
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:14,730
Obama if he asked the art to do
the if you ask the AI to do

2888
02:46:14,730 --> 02:46:15,570
certain things,

2889
02:46:15,930 --> 02:46:18,360
John C Dvorak: but push it on
then no agenda social. Oh, no.

2890
02:46:19,290 --> 02:46:23,670
Adam Curry: I delete them right
away. It's so harmful. is bad as

2891
02:46:23,670 --> 02:46:29,490
bad as bad. Well, anyway, thank
you very much pet Rex for and

2892
02:46:29,490 --> 02:46:34,950
Patrick's has won a couple of
times. I think Rex had a couple

2893
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:36,510
of wins in the past. Yeah.

2894
02:46:37,050 --> 02:46:39,810
John C Dvorak: A couple of
pieces twice before he's won.

2895
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:40,170
He's got

2896
02:46:40,170 --> 02:46:43,290
Adam Curry: a style it's got a
nice style. And it was a pet Rex

2897
02:46:43,290 --> 02:46:44,220
Dutch did we figure

2898
02:46:44,220 --> 02:46:47,130
John C Dvorak: that out? Yes,
no, he's Yeah, he's Dutch we we

2899
02:46:47,130 --> 02:46:50,400
did figure that out as pet Rex
we have a lot of Dutch artists

2900
02:46:50,400 --> 02:46:54,030
for some reason. They know what
they're good at. Sorry, spec

2901
02:46:54,030 --> 02:46:59,550
cook. They may just make the
best call and make the make the

2902
02:46:59,550 --> 02:47:00,150
best spec

2903
02:47:00,150 --> 02:47:03,120
Adam Curry: cook in the world.
Thank you very much pet Rex, we

2904
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:06,240
really appreciate that. And, and
thank you for that very

2905
02:47:06,240 --> 02:47:09,750
valuable. It's important,
particularly when we spread the

2906
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:13,950
good news of a of a new episode
people like they just like it's

2907
02:47:13,950 --> 02:47:17,370
fun. It's fun. These are memes
you can use that I approve of.

2908
02:47:17,970 --> 02:47:21,300
That's how you should look at
it. Now let us thank the people

2909
02:47:21,300 --> 02:47:25,890
who brought us the final T of
the three T's the treasurer good

2910
02:47:25,890 --> 02:47:30,000
showing today short notes highly
appreciate it. It's really I

2911
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:34,140
mean, the amount of people came
in, of course you let everybody

2912
02:47:34,140 --> 02:47:35,430
know what the PhD

2913
02:47:37,590 --> 02:47:41,040
John C Dvorak: wrapping. I'm
sorry. It's wrapping it's

2914
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:41,490
wrapping.

2915
02:47:41,490 --> 02:47:45,150
Adam Curry: Yes, the PhD program
is ending. And I mean, that'll

2916
02:47:45,150 --> 02:47:48,330
be it. It's the 330/3 day of the
year which is this coming

2917
02:47:48,330 --> 02:47:51,990
Wednesday and then it's over. So
a lot of people got in on that

2918
02:47:51,990 --> 02:47:55,320
and we had yet again near the
end of the year. It's always

2919
02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:58,920
beautiful a nother show number
donation. This makes two in a

2920
02:47:58,920 --> 02:48:02,940
row. The Duke of Central Florida
from Winter Park came in with

2921
02:48:02,940 --> 02:48:08,040
1610 mind boggling we haven't
had show numbers, donations in a

2922
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:12,330
long time. Also we get two in a
row. He says show number

2923
02:48:12,330 --> 02:48:15,540
donation from the Duke of
Central Florida. The Fibonacci

2924
02:48:15,540 --> 02:48:19,200
Duke There you go. Thanks,
Diego. Thanks for working on

2925
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:22,830
Thanksgiving Day so we can enjoy
your deconstruction thanks for

2926
02:48:22,830 --> 02:48:27,600
the opportunity to gain a PhD no
jingles no karma. I love that.

2927
02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:29,490
Thank you so much. duco Central
Florida.

2928
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:35,940
John C Dvorak: An interesting
PhD. came in later row after

2929
02:48:35,940 --> 02:48:39,780
discuss. Jason Adams is next on
this list was Smyrna, Georgia

2930
02:48:40,140 --> 02:48:48,120
111133 And he sent it oh he sent
a note to follow I didn't get to

2931
02:48:48,120 --> 02:48:51,660
note and Jay didn't get to know
it. So I'm looking to be read as

2932
02:48:51,660 --> 02:48:54,480
a make good I guess I know
eventually a note either, so I

2933
02:48:54,480 --> 02:48:56,430
guess we didn't get it. Got it.
Another note

2934
02:48:56,460 --> 02:49:02,190
Adam Curry: Rodney Lilly bridge
in Lewiston. 106 9.69

2935
02:49:02,250 --> 02:49:06,330
interesting PhD donation for
Rodney J. Lily bridge, aka air

2936
02:49:06,330 --> 02:49:12,570
sir JMO black Baron of North
Idaho. And that's it. These are

2937
02:49:12,570 --> 02:49:13,680
good. Thank you.

2938
02:49:13,710 --> 02:49:18,180
John C Dvorak: So contrast with
Robert Knutson, who wrote coin

2939
02:49:18,180 --> 02:49:24,870
kurta Lane title. Oh no. Yes. to
Idaho. Ian's to Idaho's Idaho's.

2940
02:49:26,730 --> 02:49:32,640
1033 And he sent a physical note
it with a check. My name is Rob

2941
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:40,050
Knutson. Can Knutson kids
Knutson to his name is Rob

2942
02:49:40,050 --> 02:49:44,010
Knutson. I blew it recently ran
for city council in my town of

2943
02:49:44,010 --> 02:49:49,200
corte lane, corps Delaine, Idaho
before becoming a knight or

2944
02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:51,990
getting a PhD in media
deconstruction as a first time

2945
02:49:52,020 --> 02:49:57,330
candidate I received 1033 votes,
almost 10% of the vote, but

2946
02:49:57,330 --> 02:50:00,690
failed to make voters giddy
enough to win me a seat Maybe my

2947
02:50:00,690 --> 02:50:04,320
failed candidacy serve as a
warning to all the kids out

2948
02:50:04,320 --> 02:50:07,620
there who desire an elected
office. Please get knighted

2949
02:50:07,620 --> 02:50:11,880
first. And or buy it before
running for office.

2950
02:50:11,910 --> 02:50:12,930
Adam Curry: What a canard

2951
02:50:13,080 --> 02:50:18,870
John C Dvorak: you are a shoo in
for Mayor so he enclosed 1033 is

2952
02:50:18,870 --> 02:50:23,490
total vote count. Please note me
sir Bobby J the K. Norwegian

2953
02:50:23,490 --> 02:50:27,000
night of the quarterly quarter
Lane we requested jingle

2954
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:32,160
consists of I was I was really
Blotto with an F 35 Scream

2955
02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:36,210
enhancement at the roundtable.
May I request a random can of

2956
02:50:36,210 --> 02:50:40,980
plain seltzer water from John's
secret stash not so secret.

2957
02:50:41,610 --> 02:50:43,500
Robert Knutson.

2958
02:50:43,740 --> 02:50:46,740
Adam Curry: Okay, the only thing
I didn't have Do we have any of

2959
02:50:46,740 --> 02:50:52,110
John's seltzer water? Is it just
the plain thing is that we were

2960
02:50:52,110 --> 02:50:54,930
drinking the plain plain seltzer
anybody

2961
02:50:54,930 --> 02:50:57,480
John C Dvorak: seltzer water,
ink. Okay,

2962
02:50:57,510 --> 02:51:02,100
Adam Curry: plain salts or
water. Okay. And yes, I think I

2963
02:51:02,100 --> 02:51:05,700
do have this request that you
have. I was really Blotto.

2964
02:51:07,440 --> 02:51:09,360
John C Dvorak: Never heard that
before. Remember it

2965
02:51:12,060 --> 02:51:18,990
Adam Curry: karma that's that's
me from Swamp Thing. Oh, it was

2966
02:51:18,990 --> 02:51:22,680
the it was the the line that I
argued with the producer and

2967
02:51:22,680 --> 02:51:26,280
writer over to no one says
Blotto in rock'n'roll.

2968
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:28,170
John C Dvorak: No one says
Blotto anywhere

2969
02:51:29,790 --> 02:51:34,500
Adam Curry: and he's I think
he's a knight the writer but we

2970
02:51:34,500 --> 02:51:43,590
still disagree. Brian Teleki
Lincoln Nebraska. 1033 cents ITM

2971
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:46,740
I could not resist this
opportunity to become Dr. Otter

2972
02:51:46,740 --> 02:51:51,060
of the freshwater with his Ph.
D. That's a good one. As a

2973
02:51:51,060 --> 02:51:54,450
trucker, I love listening to the
show while driving it gets me

2974
02:51:54,450 --> 02:51:57,870
around 200 miles down the road.
Oh, there you go. See? We're

2975
02:51:57,870 --> 02:52:00,300
good. We're good for something
we're good for 200 miles.

2976
02:52:00,810 --> 02:52:04,680
Sharpton medley chemtrails,
little girl yay. And the F 22

2977
02:52:04,680 --> 02:52:08,610
guys scream for relationship
karma. I'll do the F 35 guy if

2978
02:52:08,610 --> 02:52:12,120
you don't mind. He says thanks
for all you do. This is the

2979
02:52:12,150 --> 02:52:13,200
medley version.

2980
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:21,330
Unknown: He's getting lunch at
Chipotle the tortoise in the

2981
02:52:21,330 --> 02:52:31,800
race. Kim Kardashian we Weaver?
ESP ICT they are all Jide ESP

2982
02:52:31,800 --> 02:52:45,390
ICT there's no real conference
exists we must we must test and

2983
02:52:45,390 --> 02:52:49,680
we will much about that

2984
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:07,020
John C Dvorak: you've got karma
buenas Flores in Albuquerque,

2985
02:53:07,080 --> 02:53:14,760
New Mexico $1,000 and one penny
binary 33 You know that 1001 I

2986
02:53:14,760 --> 02:53:19,230
do know when I do binary 33 I
didn't know that. Oh, check it.

2987
02:53:19,680 --> 02:53:22,080
Thank you for all you do another
great note. Thank you for all

2988
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:26,550
you do couldn't resist a PhD and
night and knighthood combo.

2989
02:53:28,710 --> 02:53:34,110
Adam Curry: Well, that was easy.
That was easy. Anonymous, with

2990
02:53:34,110 --> 02:53:39,150
1000 ITM Tech TV donation. Now
were you on Tech TV?

2991
02:53:40,110 --> 02:53:42,840
John C Dvorak: Yeah, of course.
Silicon spin was Tech TV.

2992
02:53:43,230 --> 02:53:45,810
Adam Curry: Oh, it didn't. Oh, I
didn't realize that was Tech TV.

2993
02:53:46,140 --> 02:53:48,030
Was that the only thing you did
on Tech TV.

2994
02:53:48,870 --> 02:53:52,050
John C Dvorak: I also ended up
doing long story by ended up

2995
02:53:52,050 --> 02:53:56,100
doing big thinkers for a couple
years. Oh, big thinker. So I got

2996
02:53:56,100 --> 02:53:57,480
to meet a lot of interesting
people.

2997
02:53:57,480 --> 02:53:59,490
Adam Curry: I bet Who were some
of the one was gonna be one

2998
02:53:59,490 --> 02:54:01,560
interesting person. One big
thinker. You're the guy

2999
02:54:01,560 --> 02:54:03,840
John C Dvorak: who invented the
cell phone was on that show.

3000
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:07,320
What's his. Here's my favorite
one. He wasn't on the show. I

3001
02:54:07,320 --> 02:54:11,520
did but he was on Stan Lee
Stanley was on the show. I

3002
02:54:11,520 --> 02:54:15,090
talked to him for a while. J
jayate. I did have him on the

3003
02:54:15,090 --> 02:54:18,960
show. I guess. Everybody was
interesting. Oh, but here's the

3004
02:54:18,960 --> 02:54:22,170
kicker I had just slapped myself
in the head when I think of

3005
02:54:22,170 --> 02:54:24,570
this. Stanley is on the show.

3006
02:54:25,710 --> 02:54:27,060
Adam Curry: Explain who Stan Lee
is.

3007
02:54:27,240 --> 02:54:30,270
John C Dvorak: Stanley is the
guy that invented all the Marvel

3008
02:54:30,270 --> 02:54:35,040
Comics comic characters II that
are DC one of the trees to phase

3009
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:38,790
Marvel. I think people in the
troll room know for sure, but

3010
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:42,930
Stanley is very famous. So he's
on his show and he's just a nice

3011
02:54:42,930 --> 02:54:46,440
guy. He's kind of a goofball,
actually, and where was I'm?

3012
02:54:46,590 --> 02:54:51,210
He's there. Why didn't I buy a
handful like maybe high res

3013
02:54:52,260 --> 02:54:55,710
comic books and have them signed
have them sign him? Those comic

3014
02:54:55,710 --> 02:55:03,630
books is signed Stan Lee comic
book is worth one to $2,000 So

3015
02:55:03,630 --> 02:55:07,920
I'm just like basically let you
like $20,000 walk out the door

3016
02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:08,100
so

3017
02:55:08,100 --> 02:55:09,540
Adam Curry: like not buying
Bitcoin

3018
02:55:10,650 --> 02:55:13,140
John C Dvorak: at 25 cents 25
cents

3019
02:55:13,140 --> 02:55:17,520
Adam Curry: Yes. So you were
basically the OG Joe Rogan

3020
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:21,240
you're in Joe Rogan show

3021
02:55:21,270 --> 02:55:23,940
John C Dvorak: with Joe Rogan.
He's got a longer show he's

3022
02:55:24,090 --> 02:55:27,780
different interview style. No, I
don't think so.

3023
02:55:28,260 --> 02:55:32,040
Adam Curry: And we move on back
to anonymous Thanks for working

3024
02:55:32,040 --> 02:55:34,140
through the holidays. You're
welcome. We do it with great

3025
02:55:34,140 --> 02:55:37,350
pleasure jingles. I got
information man. And fear is

3026
02:55:37,350 --> 02:55:40,590
freedom. I'd like to be knighted
sir geese mill of the Four

3027
02:55:40,590 --> 02:55:44,460
Corners demilitarized zone and
we shall make it so I've got

3028
02:55:44,460 --> 02:55:50,730
information man. New shit has
come to life. Freedom

3029
02:55:56,910 --> 02:55:57,690
Unknown: this world

3030
02:56:07,350 --> 02:56:10,680
John C Dvorak: you go. Terrell
Peterson comes in from Auburn

3031
02:56:10,680 --> 02:56:14,760
California, pleasant town just
north of Sacramento. $1,000

3032
02:56:14,760 --> 02:56:18,300
Happy Thanksgiving. She writes.
Thank you keep up the good work.

3033
02:56:19,020 --> 02:56:24,150
Jobs karma for everyone. Dame
named Dame mareel reeltastic

3034
02:56:24,150 --> 02:56:28,830
route reeltastic of the Sierra
foothills. Okay, jobs,

3035
02:56:28,980 --> 02:56:31,590
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs

3036
02:56:32,010 --> 02:56:34,200
John C Dvorak: are short. No.
Yes. They're all short.

3037
02:56:34,350 --> 02:56:34,860
Beautiful.

3038
02:56:35,850 --> 02:56:39,450
Adam Curry: Amy McDaniel.
BlackDiamond. Washington.

3039
02:56:39,450 --> 02:56:42,240
$1,000. John. Adam, thanks so
much for the entertaining

3040
02:56:42,270 --> 02:56:46,110
education you provide each week.
I look forward to each show and

3041
02:56:46,140 --> 02:56:50,670
I'm not disappointed. Thanks,
Amy McDaniel. Thank you, Amy.

3042
02:56:51,630 --> 02:56:56,400
John C Dvorak: Timothy McKay. In
Battle Creek, Michigan. Battle

3043
02:56:56,400 --> 02:57:00,240
Creek. Kellogg's. Gentlemen,
thank you for your courage and

3044
02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:03,480
kudos for working the holiday.
Please accept this reciprocation

3045
02:57:03,480 --> 02:57:08,070
of my treasured for your talent.
You may anoint me as sir

3046
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:14,430
Cordwainer of your I'd like
grass fed ribeyes and rice as

3047
02:57:14,430 --> 02:57:21,390
racks besides Iraq why Ray says
Rachael Ray at the round table

3048
02:57:21,390 --> 02:57:24,600
no jiggles no karma Timothy
McKay Battle Creek Michigan.

3049
02:57:24,600 --> 02:57:24,900
Yes,

3050
02:57:24,900 --> 02:57:28,290
Adam Curry: we got the grass fed
grain finished for you out

3051
02:57:28,290 --> 02:57:36,180
that's okay. que que da we know
Q Q. Q Key West Florida 1000. If

3052
02:57:36,180 --> 02:57:40,230
I still qualify for the PhD,
then good. If not, you still

3053
02:57:40,230 --> 02:57:43,350
deserve this donation for all
the good things you do to change

3054
02:57:43,350 --> 02:57:48,600
the world. Wow, I that's a big
pretty big kudos, man. I don't

3055
02:57:48,600 --> 02:57:49,590
know if we changed Well,

3056
02:57:49,890 --> 02:57:52,140
John C Dvorak: if you change
your underwear, it's about it.

3057
02:57:53,490 --> 02:57:58,110
And I'm not even sure about him.
Kevin Steffensen muscle, muscle

3058
02:57:58,140 --> 02:58:06,000
muscle, muscle Shores, Alabama
shows, shows guest shows in the

3059
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:08,640
morning and happy Thanksgiving.
He writes I've enjoyed and

3060
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:11,700
learned a lot from John's
articles in PC Magazine back in

3061
02:58:11,700 --> 02:58:15,360
the day. Then I found this
podcast and I'm enjoying Adams

3062
02:58:15,360 --> 02:58:20,880
just as much you to brighten my
week. I was in K 12 education in

3063
02:58:20,880 --> 02:58:25,170
Alabama as a CTO for over 26
years and loved it. But when

3064
02:58:25,170 --> 02:58:29,880
COVID and online forced learning
forced us to give every child a

3065
02:58:29,880 --> 02:58:34,380
Chromebook and then support them
and the teachers at home day and

3066
02:58:34,380 --> 02:58:38,340
night. Essentially my health
took a downturn and I'll bet I

3067
02:58:38,340 --> 02:58:41,700
must say I took the early
retirement option and left the

3068
02:58:41,700 --> 02:58:44,220
best move I've made and now I
work for a private company

3069
02:58:44,220 --> 02:58:47,820
selling educational websites
also found out at least seven of

3070
02:58:47,820 --> 02:58:51,720
my peers across the state that I
know have had health issues at

3071
02:58:51,720 --> 02:58:55,500
the time due to the added stress
of incredible amounts of federal

3072
02:58:55,500 --> 02:58:58,710
funding for hardware software
but regulations that couldn't be

3073
02:58:58,710 --> 02:59:02,580
spent on additional salaries. I
remember this and CTOs are not

3074
02:59:02,580 --> 02:59:06,450
hourly workers like the
technicians we took the brunt of

3075
02:59:06,450 --> 02:59:07,800
it and many left we

3076
02:59:08,460 --> 02:59:11,220
Adam Curry: we talked about this
we talked about tech guys going

3077
02:59:11,220 --> 02:59:15,330
no we can't do this you you just
politicians you're like yeah,

3078
02:59:15,330 --> 02:59:18,450
come on. Chromebooks is good
learn at home. And they're like

3079
02:59:18,690 --> 02:59:21,840
we need you can't support all
this stuff. And teachers we're

3080
02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:25,410
getting angry at them. This
sucks it's not working fix it.

3081
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:29,490
John C Dvorak: So yeah, this
poor guys Yeah, yeah, you get in

3082
02:59:29,490 --> 02:59:32,670
the middle your tech guy knows
best since I have more change in

3083
02:59:32,670 --> 02:59:35,880
my pocketbook now or my pocket
and I no longer want to be a

3084
02:59:35,880 --> 02:59:41,340
douche bag and so please de
douche. You've been de deuced we

3085
02:59:41,340 --> 02:59:43,830
should make me an instant I
didn't know agenda scholar for

3086
02:59:43,830 --> 02:59:48,720
my night name. I'd like to be
sir trs 80. I'll take Blanton's

3087
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:52,350
and carrot cake at the round
table. And as for jingles, I'd

3088
02:59:52,350 --> 02:59:56,910
love John spooky donate and our
two day to karma Keep up the

3089
02:59:56,910 --> 03:00:01,950
great work Kevin in Muscle
Shoals Oza Alabama

3090
03:00:04,200 --> 03:00:05,010
Unknown: you've got

3091
03:00:11,849 --> 03:00:22,499
Adam Curry: karma you've got
karma we got sir Moscow bass

3092
03:00:22,499 --> 03:00:25,799
from Silver Spring Maryland with
1000 no notes I will give him a

3093
03:00:25,799 --> 03:00:28,289
double up karma as he deserves.
You've got

3094
03:00:31,950 --> 03:00:34,320
John C Dvorak: to take the next
one. Now take the next one. You

3095
03:00:34,320 --> 03:00:36,750
can take the long one. No, it's
not that long but okay, it's

3096
03:00:36,750 --> 03:00:41,010
shorter. Matthew Gebhardt 1000.
After all these years crown you

3097
03:00:41,010 --> 03:00:44,460
graduated with my PhD. Oh, this
is the one I noticed not the

3098
03:00:44,460 --> 03:00:48,690
one. The learning never stops.
Next, I'm enrolling into no

3099
03:00:48,690 --> 03:00:53,310
agenda Institute of theoretical
and applied podcasting where you

3100
03:00:53,310 --> 03:00:56,970
can help us open it could make a
positive difference in the

3101
03:00:56,970 --> 03:00:58,560
world. Keep up the great work.
Thank you.

3102
03:00:58,770 --> 03:01:02,160
Adam Curry: Lee North 1000 My
wife thinks I'm crazy. But I

3103
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:04,920
couldn't pass up the chance for
a PhD and a credit for the

3104
03:01:04,920 --> 03:01:08,700
Thanksgiving Day special. I
guess my new title should be

3105
03:01:08,700 --> 03:01:13,080
barren sir. Dr. Goon thank you
for your courage as always jobs,

3106
03:01:13,080 --> 03:01:20,640
jobs, jobs and RTD to karma. Lee
North Kansas City Quito Fox 00

3107
03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:24,870
Bravo Echo Hotel, 70 threes
kilo, five alpha, Charlie,

3108
03:01:24,870 --> 03:01:27,960
Charlie, the weight your wife
thinks you're crazy for donating

3109
03:01:27,960 --> 03:01:32,970
getting a PhD but not for being
a ham. I supposed to be honest

3110
03:01:32,970 --> 03:01:38,610
about that. Well, I'm glad she
didn't protest too much. She's

3111
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:41,190
obviously a fantastic woman
jobs,

3112
03:01:41,340 --> 03:01:46,380
John C Dvorak: jobs, jobs and
jobs. That's Volker jobs. You've

3113
03:01:46,380 --> 03:01:56,340
got karma. Kenny Demis Keaney or
Evgeny damask GYN in Boston,

3114
03:01:56,340 --> 03:01:59,700
Massachusetts, is I think this
is the first day of Guinea that

3115
03:01:59,700 --> 03:02:04,770
we've ever had to great name
$1,000 And he says, I want my

3116
03:02:04,770 --> 03:02:08,010
framed PhD where you're going to
get your PhD but it's not going

3117
03:02:08,010 --> 03:02:11,220
to get or sell yourself. It's
very carefully packed so I

3118
03:02:11,220 --> 03:02:12,180
wouldn't worry about that. Yeah,

3119
03:02:12,180 --> 03:02:15,600
Adam Curry: comes in in an
official envelope like a fold

3120
03:02:15,600 --> 03:02:20,310
open thing, just like while it
is a real PhD. It's

3121
03:02:20,340 --> 03:02:26,340
indistinguishable from one from
an institution like an asylum.

3122
03:02:27,510 --> 03:02:30,960
Sir Jim watts, Baron of
Whistler, Whistler BC I've been

3123
03:02:30,960 --> 03:02:31,620
to Whistler

3124
03:02:31,710 --> 03:02:34,200
John C Dvorak: okay, this is the
questionable this we'll have to

3125
03:02:34,200 --> 03:02:35,910
discuss is very questionable. I

3126
03:02:35,910 --> 03:02:39,840
Adam Curry: will read the note
and then we shall discuss 1000

3127
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:44,700
Canadian in closed for a cut
rate PhD. We celebrated

3128
03:02:44,700 --> 03:02:48,870
Thanksgiving on October on
October they harvest celebration

3129
03:02:48,870 --> 03:02:52,680
up here I will stay with Baron
title as it has a nice ring jobs

3130
03:02:52,680 --> 03:02:56,940
karma please Jim watts, Baron of
Whistler. Now we didn't

3131
03:02:56,940 --> 03:03:01,230
necessarily say that you could
get a cut rate PhD now did we?

3132
03:03:02,010 --> 03:03:02,460
No.

3133
03:03:03,630 --> 03:03:05,670
John C Dvorak: No, but we didn't
say you couldn't.

3134
03:03:05,940 --> 03:03:07,890
Adam Curry: Now there's no
evidence we didn't say we

3135
03:03:07,890 --> 03:03:09,420
couldn't. So

3136
03:03:09,420 --> 03:03:13,110
John C Dvorak: I was very torn
when I saw the $733 donation for

3137
03:03:13,110 --> 03:03:16,920
the cut rate PhD Yeah, because
the Canadians we've always given

3138
03:03:16,920 --> 03:03:20,790
them full credit for Australia
and Australia and New Zealand

3139
03:03:20,790 --> 03:03:24,270
and Australians the two of them
and Zealanders if they anyone

3140
03:03:24,270 --> 03:03:25,170
listens and

3141
03:03:25,170 --> 03:03:27,690
Adam Curry: soon Argentinians
but

3142
03:03:30,450 --> 03:03:32,820
John C Dvorak: we won't get too
many listeners down there. So I

3143
03:03:32,820 --> 03:03:36,960
don't know what I mean is Yeah,
I can't not give it to him. But

3144
03:03:37,440 --> 03:03:40,980
is it we only have one week left
as any other Canadians who want

3145
03:03:40,980 --> 03:03:42,930
to come in for 733

3146
03:03:42,990 --> 03:03:45,570
Adam Curry: but I mean if anyone
if anyone argues with this I

3147
03:03:45,570 --> 03:03:49,590
think you should just go kick a
Canadian in the shins but I

3148
03:03:49,590 --> 03:03:50,430
think we should do it

3149
03:03:51,270 --> 03:03:54,030
John C Dvorak: yeah, because we
likely is only one more week

3150
03:03:54,030 --> 03:03:56,250
left in a promotion so that's
the end of it. All right.

3151
03:03:56,250 --> 03:03:58,380
Adam Curry: Well, here's your
jobs karma and congratulations

3152
03:03:58,380 --> 03:04:00,840
on your well deserved PhD jobs,

3153
03:04:00,990 --> 03:04:07,680
Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs
Let's vote for jobs. Karma

3154
03:04:08,970 --> 03:04:16,170
John C Dvorak: Zachary Michael
in also in Canada, seven 30.3

3155
03:04:16,440 --> 03:04:19,350
Which probably adds up to the
right number to take for

3156
03:04:19,350 --> 03:04:21,360
everything you do I thought of a
few things to say but knowing

3157
03:04:21,360 --> 03:04:25,440
how much you to adore long notes
I will refrain from doing so and

3158
03:04:25,440 --> 03:04:28,290
deprive you of such
gratification. It goes on and

3159
03:04:28,290 --> 03:04:34,200
on. However in that handsome
millennial gals get however, as

3160
03:04:34,200 --> 03:04:39,270
a handsome millennial gals get
at me please tell me sir cow

3161
03:04:39,300 --> 03:04:43,110
1984 and look forward to my PhD
a second Canadian in the same

3162
03:04:43,110 --> 03:04:47,190
show that comes up with a basic
the same calculation how could

3163
03:04:47,190 --> 03:04:50,550
anyone pass up a chance to get
two birds stoned at once? For

3164
03:04:50,550 --> 03:04:54,270
jingles possibly play the medley
just take the vaccine at the end

3165
03:04:54,270 --> 03:04:57,960
of the show. Thanks again sir.
See a Canada sir Canada so

3166
03:04:57,960 --> 03:05:01,200
Adam Curry: I looked for this I
couldn't find medley for so

3167
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:05,340
medley maybe means a supercut I
could not find a just take the

3168
03:05:05,340 --> 03:05:08,430
vaccine I mean there's not a
supercut of just take the

3169
03:05:08,430 --> 03:05:12,600
vaccine I don't remember it
either now so I couldn't be hurt

3170
03:05:12,600 --> 03:05:15,840
it someplace else. But we do
have a good end of show mix for

3171
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:18,570
you and we appreciate your
support anonymous in Chicago

3172
03:05:18,570 --> 03:05:22,620
Illinois 34567 Very much
appreciate having something good

3173
03:05:22,620 --> 03:05:25,980
to listen to says anonymous
couple of submissions for you. I

3174
03:05:25,980 --> 03:05:29,670
had a friend in college who
exclaimed yep or Skipper for any

3175
03:05:29,670 --> 03:05:33,120
answers in the affirmative
sometimes shortening to yeppers

3176
03:05:33,720 --> 03:05:38,340
and for the weight loss drug
game Dyson die in thin or

3177
03:05:38,340 --> 03:05:42,720
something there abouts. A very
sincere thank you for your

3178
03:05:42,720 --> 03:05:44,310
courage PS It appears I

3179
03:05:44,310 --> 03:05:47,280
John C Dvorak: get it. What? Die
thin.

3180
03:05:47,340 --> 03:05:52,950
Adam Curry: Oh, die. Ha. Got it.
PS it appears Ice Age farmer has

3181
03:05:52,950 --> 03:05:56,910
gone silent. Adams mentioned
reminded me about him nothing

3182
03:05:56,910 --> 03:06:01,080
online for at least a year. I
hope he's okay. I don't know who

3183
03:06:01,080 --> 03:06:05,550
it is. Ice Age farmer. Yeah. We
played the clip of him

3184
03:06:05,550 --> 03:06:09,510
predicting that you know, the
big food shortages and I played

3185
03:06:09,510 --> 03:06:12,120
every year short and I played
every year hobby starved to

3186
03:06:12,120 --> 03:06:12,420
death.

3187
03:06:13,320 --> 03:06:16,770
John C Dvorak: So yes, he thanks
us for working on Thanksgiving

3188
03:06:16,770 --> 03:06:17,850
and we appreciate that.

3189
03:06:18,270 --> 03:06:18,930
Unknown: We're good with that.

3190
03:06:19,320 --> 03:06:22,860
John C Dvorak: Now we go with
the Aaron Sean prairie Ville,

3191
03:06:22,860 --> 03:06:28,800
Louisiana. Three Three
switcheroo I appreciate you all

3192
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:31,740
so much especially since y'all
work on important holidays like

3193
03:06:31,740 --> 03:06:36,390
this one. This donation is for
my smokin hot husband. Sure Jew

3194
03:06:36,390 --> 03:06:41,400
claw All right, sir, towards
upping his peerage in the

3195
03:06:41,400 --> 03:06:44,280
future. I don't think I need any
jingles. We barely need to jobs

3196
03:06:44,280 --> 03:06:46,710
karma for something I'm trying
to accomplish with my business

3197
03:06:46,710 --> 03:06:50,700
in the near future. Gotta get my
mom out of my house karma. Oh,

3198
03:06:51,180 --> 03:06:55,080
lol I know there isn't one of
those since her house caught

3199
03:06:55,080 --> 03:06:58,590
fire two foot point five months
ago and she's been living with a

3200
03:06:58,590 --> 03:07:02,220
sense of finding a new house and
this market is not proving to be

3201
03:07:02,220 --> 03:07:05,910
very easy. And lastly, I'd like
to mention the upcoming no eight

3202
03:07:05,910 --> 03:07:10,530
Yeah, no, a no agenda meetup in
southern Louisiana that we're

3203
03:07:10,680 --> 03:07:13,080
hosting on Friday, December 1.

3204
03:07:13,140 --> 03:07:15,660
Adam Curry: That'll get your mom
out of the house bring a bunch

3205
03:07:15,660 --> 03:07:16,950
of no agenda people in

3206
03:07:18,300 --> 03:07:21,090
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I think
that's about it. We'll do it. I

3207
03:07:21,090 --> 03:07:24,480
should call out a few douchebags
I know at the upcoming meetup

3208
03:07:24,480 --> 03:07:28,770
but I'll keep them anonymous for
now. Thanks Aaron Shaw, Dame

3209
03:07:28,770 --> 03:07:29,640
Mary moon

3210
03:07:29,670 --> 03:07:32,730
Adam Curry: and because of that,
we'll give you a TPP jobs karma

3211
03:07:32,730 --> 03:07:39,420
jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. Jobs,
job karma. Let us know if it

3212
03:07:39,420 --> 03:07:45,810
works. Aaron Brzezinski and
Atewa Tennessee 333 dot 33 If

3213
03:07:45,810 --> 03:07:49,890
you're in El Paso area, stop by
downrange brewery. See Gabe and

3214
03:07:49,890 --> 03:07:52,650
his wife for the best beer and
the best people in town. John

3215
03:07:52,650 --> 03:07:54,600
and Adam thank you for the
greatest podcast in the

3216
03:07:54,600 --> 03:07:58,350
universe. Happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you

3217
03:07:58,980 --> 03:08:03,600
John C Dvorak: sir Ronald
Gardner is San Diego California.

3218
03:08:04,530 --> 03:08:09,930
Three Three is also sir wrong to
33 ITM gents wanted to express

3219
03:08:09,930 --> 03:08:13,170
our gratitude and thanks for the
work you do to make no agenda

3220
03:08:13,170 --> 03:08:16,320
the best podcast in the universe
especially during the holidays

3221
03:08:16,320 --> 03:08:21,300
where you continue to work and
we slack off. Thank you ever so

3222
03:08:21,300 --> 03:08:24,090
much. This donation will make me
a Viking on please change my

3223
03:08:24,090 --> 03:08:29,610
title to Sir Ronald Gardner via
account of insane Diego and

3224
03:08:29,610 --> 03:08:33,030
surrounding waters we would like
some house selling moving karma

3225
03:08:33,030 --> 03:08:35,550
as we try to escape from the
Socialist Republic of

3226
03:08:35,550 --> 03:08:38,940
California. Happy Thanksgiving
and many blessings to you and

3227
03:08:38,940 --> 03:08:41,730
your families and to all the
Knights and Dames out there stay

3228
03:08:41,730 --> 03:08:43,860
safe cheers, sir wrong 33

3229
03:08:45,000 --> 03:08:50,160
Adam Curry: You've got karma.
And coming in from Amsterdam sir

3230
03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:55,290
Pete's sir pates are Pete's PPP
tu tu tu tu tu rove ducks itMs

3231
03:08:55,290 --> 03:08:58,620
repeat here. I love the show.
Even better lately. He's been

3232
03:08:58,620 --> 03:09:01,830
around for a long time. Thank
you. Here's a sack of ducks in

3233
03:09:01,830 --> 03:09:04,620
return. Could you grace my
fellow producers and myself with

3234
03:09:04,620 --> 03:09:08,730
some jobs karma. Love is lit.
And he says oh, he wants a

3235
03:09:08,730 --> 03:09:12,180
jingle requests. He has a
healthy diet, which I think is

3236
03:09:12,180 --> 03:09:17,700
the healthy news diet. F 35 goat
karma so we'll combine that with

3237
03:09:17,700 --> 03:09:19,260
your jobs requests. You wake

3238
03:09:19,260 --> 03:09:22,830
Unknown: up with the blues.
Jennifer, your dangerous news.

3239
03:09:23,280 --> 03:09:27,630
There's one thing you must
remember no agenda and moanin

3240
03:09:28,050 --> 03:09:33,630
or a healthy balanced news diet.
Try no agenda show.com jobs,

3241
03:09:33,780 --> 03:09:42,990
jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote
for jobs. Karma

3242
03:09:45,240 --> 03:09:49,440
John C Dvorak: Paul Crowe
Schulich in Binghamton, New

3243
03:09:49,440 --> 03:09:55,260
York. Two, two 2.22 another road
ducks. Paul from Bing Bing

3244
03:09:55,260 --> 03:09:58,830
Hampton New York Bing Bing into
now we always say Binghamton,

3245
03:09:58,830 --> 03:10:02,790
but it's being ham eaten? No
jingles? No Carmen, thank you.

3246
03:10:03,690 --> 03:10:09,030
Adam Curry: And then we have oh
yes, one of these is always the

3247
03:10:09,030 --> 03:10:15,030
Joker's Shawn in Stafford,
Virginia 212 at pay J and A

3248
03:10:15,030 --> 03:10:17,580
after three plus years of
listening glad to no longer be a

3249
03:10:17,580 --> 03:10:22,020
douchebag here's my 212 ad. My
most recent pay raise brought me

3250
03:10:22,020 --> 03:10:26,760
to 4333 I can't deny the pod
father anymore after that number

3251
03:10:26,760 --> 03:10:29,550
came my way thanks for working
Thanksgiving really It means a

3252
03:10:29,550 --> 03:10:32,400
lot to get quality content on
the holiday I will be listening

3253
03:10:32,400 --> 03:10:36,210
for the fat lady to sing at 2pm
while making while milking

3254
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:43,410
milking my holiday double time
and has a very known sequence

3255
03:10:43,410 --> 03:10:47,550
Trump I'm going to come Kamala
don't come Joe whole load and a

3256
03:10:47,550 --> 03:10:52,230
Howard Dean screen. I'm gonna
come. I'm going to give you the

3257
03:10:52,230 --> 03:10:56,670
whole load. Did you go never
heard that one.

3258
03:10:59,340 --> 03:11:02,190
John C Dvorak: Here, Eric Adler
in Punta Gorda, Florida thought

3259
03:11:02,190 --> 03:11:07,110
it was time to donate when I was
giving a frequency change to Jax

3260
03:11:07,110 --> 03:11:12,480
at 133 Point 33 He's a pilot
well at 33,000 feet is upon

3261
03:11:12,480 --> 03:11:13,560
banks MorphOS

3262
03:11:15,990 --> 03:11:19,560
Adam Curry: that's pretty cool.
If that really is possible.

3263
03:11:19,560 --> 03:11:23,910
There's 130 3.3 frequency for
Jackson for Jacksonville.

3264
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:24,780
Jacksonville now

3265
03:11:24,780 --> 03:11:29,220
John C Dvorak: finishes up with
Linda lo pagkain. in Lakewood,

3266
03:11:29,220 --> 03:11:34,230
Colorado. Jobs karma for resume
search that gets results go to

3267
03:11:34,260 --> 03:11:37,140
go for a resume actually that
gets results go to Image makers

3268
03:11:37,140 --> 03:11:41,970
inc.com For all your executive
resume and job search needs.

3269
03:11:42,540 --> 03:11:47,400
That's image makers Inc iMk with
a k.com or just find Linda Lou

3270
03:11:47,400 --> 03:11:51,660
patcon on the producer list her
stream continues thankful for

3271
03:11:51,660 --> 03:11:55,560
you guys are street canal is
amazing. Yeah, I know she's a

3272
03:11:55,560 --> 03:12:01,800
staredown so I want to say that
Eric, ours Joe in Stockholm,

3273
03:12:01,800 --> 03:12:08,460
Sweden that came in at one nine
9.99 is really a $200 donation

3274
03:12:08,460 --> 03:12:10,620
and that happens to be just
exchange rates.

3275
03:12:11,010 --> 03:12:14,040
Adam Curry: Okay, so he is
definitely on the list for he's

3276
03:12:14,040 --> 03:12:14,220
got

3277
03:12:14,220 --> 03:12:16,890
John C Dvorak: no note
associated. Recognize him and

3278
03:12:16,890 --> 03:12:18,780
let's give him a double up
karma. No, wow.

3279
03:12:19,950 --> 03:12:26,520
Adam Curry: Moved up No.
Perfect. Karma. Well, we of

3280
03:12:26,520 --> 03:12:29,310
course think our executive and
associated executive producers

3281
03:12:29,310 --> 03:12:33,300
and congratulate our PhDs. Our
new PhDs will actually have a

3282
03:12:33,300 --> 03:12:36,840
little ceremony for you in a
moment. This this is ending

3283
03:12:36,840 --> 03:12:40,620
though. And Sunday will be the
last time no Wednesday the 333rd

3284
03:12:40,620 --> 03:12:43,230
day of the year last day, you
can pick that up. Thank you so

3285
03:12:43,230 --> 03:12:46,920
much. We this makes me feel good
about working on the holiday. I

3286
03:12:46,920 --> 03:12:49,530
hope it makes you feel good. The
value has been exchanged. It is

3287
03:12:49,530 --> 03:12:52,500
highly appreciated. We have a
lot more people to thank who

3288
03:12:52,500 --> 03:12:55,410
supported us today. John is
gonna take us through the 50s

3289
03:12:56,190 --> 03:13:00,240
John C Dvorak: We'll starting
with Patricia Lewis and Merced

3290
03:13:00,240 --> 03:13:05,670
California 16667 She actually
sent a little note in it's uh, I

3291
03:13:05,670 --> 03:13:10,200
think she sent the guard Yeah,
she sent a card. She says

3292
03:13:10,200 --> 03:13:13,020
Thanks, John. And and she's cute
card. She got good at you know

3293
03:13:13,020 --> 03:13:16,170
what? She looks it looks like
Tina's handwriting.

3294
03:13:17,010 --> 03:13:21,570
Adam Curry: Ah, yeah. Tina says
a little less. balloony

3295
03:13:22,830 --> 03:13:25,080
John C Dvorak: anonymous in
Calgary, Ella she came into

3296
03:13:25,080 --> 03:13:30,270
16667 Anonymous in Calgary,
Alberta. 121 some baby making

3297
03:13:30,270 --> 03:13:33,330
karma give you that at the end
Don Malley in Fremont,

3298
03:13:33,330 --> 03:13:42,180
California. 113 in field 100
Rachel Pillet kowski no amount.

3299
03:13:42,210 --> 03:13:47,760
She's in Portage, Wisconsin. She
says don't say the amount. So we

3300
03:13:47,760 --> 03:13:51,270
won't. But it's funny where it's
located on the list she

3301
03:13:51,270 --> 03:13:52,320
Adam Curry: wants to be deduced.

3302
03:13:54,030 --> 03:13:58,080
John C Dvorak: You've been de
deuced William gherkin and

3303
03:13:58,080 --> 03:14:04,080
Centennial Colorado. Happy
Thanksgiving. Joseph solino in

3304
03:14:04,080 --> 03:14:10,860
East Syracuse, New York. 100.
Steven Rivas in Rowland Heights

3305
03:14:10,860 --> 03:14:19,680
California 100. Dame twin mama
inator. Incoming Georgia 100 and

3306
03:14:19,680 --> 03:14:24,720
other Happy Thanksgiving Brian
Lillard and prosper Texas. 888.

3307
03:14:25,020 --> 03:14:30,210
Jack Schofield, our field in
yankeetown, Florida. Looks like

3308
03:14:30,210 --> 03:14:33,120
he's going to be a night and I
think this is a note you have to

3309
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:35,010
read because of it. Yes,

3310
03:14:35,010 --> 03:14:37,020
Adam Curry: because having
completed 20 monthly payments

3311
03:14:37,020 --> 03:14:39,660
for knighthood. Let's do a
switcheroo for my lovely life's

3312
03:14:39,750 --> 03:14:43,800
lovely wife Susie, who has
managed to take 51 trips around

3313
03:14:43,800 --> 03:14:48,870
the sun with me Yes, we had a
few fights 51 years together. Oh

3314
03:14:48,870 --> 03:14:52,920
wow. Please name her Dame Suzie
boot scooter of the nature

3315
03:14:52,920 --> 03:14:58,710
coast. What is that name all
about? No jingles no karma. We

3316
03:14:58,710 --> 03:15:01,770
have been blessed. No
specialfare Just half portions

3317
03:15:01,770 --> 03:15:08,010
at the round table and please do
doo dee doo. I will renew and

3318
03:15:08,010 --> 03:15:11,460
continue to fill my contract of
monthly donations and until I do

3319
03:15:11,460 --> 03:15:14,430
so will remain a douche is
keeping a promise and fulfilling

3320
03:15:14,430 --> 03:15:19,200
a contract is very important.
Love them boobs. Yes. Susie's

3321
03:15:19,200 --> 03:15:21,780
birthday is less than 24. Please
put on the birthday, Liz. She's

3322
03:15:21,780 --> 03:15:26,040
on there, Jack Schofield. John.
It's phonetically Schofield. You

3323
03:15:26,040 --> 03:15:29,550
got it. Love you guys. ITM Love
you too. And we look forward to

3324
03:15:29,550 --> 03:15:31,080
welcoming soon Jason

3325
03:15:31,080 --> 03:15:34,500
John C Dvorak: Maurer in
Vancouver, Washington. 808. And

3326
03:15:34,500 --> 03:15:37,620
so it's Jack's by those eight
oh, wait. And then we get to

3327
03:15:37,620 --> 03:15:41,610
Kevin McLaughlin are Archduke of
Luna lover of American boobs in

3328
03:15:41,610 --> 03:15:46,170
Concord, North Carolina with 808
with a commentary. Did you know

3329
03:15:46,170 --> 03:15:49,890
boobs are approved men can focus
on two things at once.

3330
03:15:51,090 --> 03:15:52,620
Adam Curry: That's a good. I
like that.

3331
03:15:52,890 --> 03:15:54,630
John C Dvorak: That's a good
observation. Yeah, it's

3332
03:15:54,630 --> 03:15:59,100
observations just sure line man
and Illinois. 808. Thanks for

3333
03:15:59,100 --> 03:16:05,010
working on the holiday Joseph
whitish in Miami. of Miami,

3334
03:16:05,010 --> 03:16:10,650
California is what it says. does
have a note. Does it say on

3335
03:16:10,650 --> 03:16:16,440
here? No. Miami, Florida. It was
misinterpreted. Miami, Florida

3336
03:16:16,440 --> 03:16:25,080
7777. Gregory kiradech In
Padova, Italy, hey, patois. Hey,

3337
03:16:25,080 --> 03:16:28,140
and he says, are you happy
Thanksgiving. Thank you, Kate

3338
03:16:28,140 --> 03:16:33,450
Smith and Leonard town,
Maryland. 7272. Sir Rick, in

3339
03:16:33,480 --> 03:16:36,990
early days, actually now he's
bearing Rick, I think in

3340
03:16:36,990 --> 03:16:42,120
Arlington, Washington, not 6996
We have to now get it in our

3341
03:16:42,120 --> 03:16:48,360
mindset. It's barren Rick, Josh
Magnuson and Kyle, Texas. 6969.

3342
03:16:48,360 --> 03:16:48,600
Was

3343
03:16:49,230 --> 03:16:52,680
Adam Curry: he was yeah, it was
at the Austin meetup donation.

3344
03:16:53,520 --> 03:16:58,350
John C Dvorak: Sure, doctor, sir
becoming heroic in Schererville,

3345
03:16:58,380 --> 03:17:06,240
Indiana 6886 which he calls
jiggly boobs. Scott, Brian to

3346
03:17:06,240 --> 03:17:09,870
look at that and figure that
out. Scott Riley in Meridian,

3347
03:17:09,900 --> 03:17:17,400
Idaho. 66 Cameron Linga in North
Branch Minnesotan at 6010. errs

3348
03:17:17,400 --> 03:17:21,870
Kevin McLaughlin again with 606
small boobs. Ladies, are you

3349
03:17:21,870 --> 03:17:27,300
living your best life? Oh, he's
inserted upon into

3350
03:17:27,300 --> 03:17:31,020
Adam Curry: this. He's, hey,
he's still there. We love you.

3351
03:17:31,500 --> 03:17:32,370
Yes.

3352
03:17:32,910 --> 03:17:35,730
John C Dvorak: Astonishing. Tim
Freeman in Placerville,

3353
03:17:35,730 --> 03:17:41,040
California, 606 and other
aficionado Matthew LRH in

3354
03:17:41,070 --> 03:17:45,030
Weatherford, Texas. 606 Ryan
Smith in Raleigh, North Carolina

3355
03:17:45,030 --> 03:17:53,730
606 Matthew Martin como New
South Wales, Australia. 60. Sir,

3356
03:17:53,730 --> 03:17:59,520
not Jake and Thompson,
Connecticut 5678 Sir Edward of

3357
03:17:59,520 --> 03:18:05,940
the henpecked in Omaha, Nebraska
at 555 Paul Webb in Twickenham

3358
03:18:06,510 --> 03:18:09,570
Middlesex UK to defy 55

3359
03:18:09,750 --> 03:18:12,000
Adam Curry: He says Happy
Thanksgiving gents. Don't worry.

3360
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:14,250
Everyone in the UK is working
today as well. While that's

3361
03:18:14,250 --> 03:18:14,580
true,

3362
03:18:15,810 --> 03:18:17,970
John C Dvorak: Stephen said
they're getting ready for Black

3363
03:18:17,970 --> 03:18:23,190
Friday. Stephen Smith and
maynardville Tennessee 5510.

3364
03:18:24,090 --> 03:18:28,440
Barron Henry of the outpost
Weston Rancho Palos Verdes days

3365
03:18:28,440 --> 03:18:35,220
California five to four to Alan
Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa. 5042

3366
03:18:35,610 --> 03:18:41,520
Jordan, Jordan Brown and
Centerville Ohio 5033 is we're

3367
03:18:41,520 --> 03:18:45,840
getting to the 50s fours Martin
505 Andrew Ben's in Missouri

3368
03:18:45,840 --> 03:18:49,560
505. And now we get the $50
donors. And we'll wrap this

3369
03:18:49,560 --> 03:18:54,090
thing up starting with Robert
case and mill spring North

3370
03:18:54,090 --> 03:18:57,840
Carolina Matt Killingsworth.
Illingworth in Montclair, New

3371
03:18:57,840 --> 03:19:03,210
Jersey, Julian Robbins in Aptos.
California Matthias Paczynski in

3372
03:19:03,210 --> 03:19:08,340
Hawthorne, California. Nicholas
Ruda, which in Harpers Ferry

3373
03:19:08,340 --> 03:19:13,350
West Virginia Daniel, a boy in
Bath minutes, Michigan. Michael

3374
03:19:13,380 --> 03:19:18,390
Sikora in New Richmond,
Wisconsin. Tatiana prints in

3375
03:19:18,390 --> 03:19:23,400
Hollywood, Florida. Sir Patrick
McCaw, Macomb in New York City,

3376
03:19:23,400 --> 03:19:28,590
Robert Hanna in Poway,
California. Kate Haskell Islam

3377
03:19:28,590 --> 03:19:33,990
today, Haskell in San Rafael,
California David Perdue and Snow

3378
03:19:33,990 --> 03:19:38,580
Hill, North Carolina, Michael
Romano and Sebastopol, gaucho

3379
03:19:38,580 --> 03:19:43,230
woodworking, check them out in
Redondo Beach, California Greg

3380
03:19:43,410 --> 03:19:49,200
off in Austin, Texas, Alexa
Delgado in another Aptos dweller

3381
03:19:50,670 --> 03:19:56,550
Ronald stereo in Riverview,
Florida, Carrie Meeks in

3382
03:19:56,550 --> 03:20:01,080
Franklin, Tennessee, Rita
Harrington and sparks Nevada.

3383
03:20:01,650 --> 03:20:06,660
Happy Thanksgiving to you,
Alexis Robles in Chula Vista.

3384
03:20:07,290 --> 03:20:12,150
Um, the two uncles he never had.
She never had. Devon O'Connell

3385
03:20:12,150 --> 03:20:16,800
and Boylston Boylston,
Massachusetts, James Farrell in

3386
03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:21,120
Haverhill, Massachusetts. And
last on the list is Michael

3387
03:20:21,120 --> 03:20:25,650
stadium. And he's from Parts
Unknown on this list. So we want

3388
03:20:25,650 --> 03:20:29,220
to thank these, these a lot of
people today for helping us out

3389
03:20:29,220 --> 03:20:32,790
OSHA 1610 making it a
possibility. Thank

3390
03:20:32,790 --> 03:20:35,460
Adam Curry: you all get a
winner. Yes, thank you all so

3391
03:20:35,460 --> 03:20:39,660
much, and thank you to those of
you who donated under $50 We do

3392
03:20:39,660 --> 03:20:42,660
not mention those names to make
sure they're anonymous if people

3393
03:20:42,660 --> 03:20:46,830
want to be anonymous. 4999 works
perfectly for us. And of course,

3394
03:20:47,040 --> 03:20:50,280
if you don't one of those many
sustaining donations, which you

3395
03:20:50,280 --> 03:20:53,280
can make, make up your own
number a lot of people like 333

3396
03:20:53,280 --> 03:20:57,150
a lot of people like 33. So I'm
like 1212 1111, you can find a

3397
03:20:57,150 --> 03:20:58,170
whole bunch more at

3398
03:20:58,170 --> 03:21:02,340
Unknown: volterra.org/and a more
at no

3399
03:21:02,340 --> 03:21:05,280
Adam Curry: agenda donations.com
Thank you for making our

3400
03:21:05,280 --> 03:21:10,200
overtime here. Very valuable to
us. We hope you appreciate it as

3401
03:21:10,200 --> 03:21:16,980
well. And we look forward to
handing out those PhDs but also

3402
03:21:17,280 --> 03:21:20,520
the titles of executive producer
and Associate Executive producer

3403
03:21:20,520 --> 03:21:22,890
for the people we mentioned
earlier. They're real. You can

3404
03:21:22,890 --> 03:21:26,160
put them on your LinkedIn, you
can put them on your resume and

3405
03:21:26,160 --> 03:21:28,740
of course, they are completely
valid and you can open up an

3406
03:21:28,740 --> 03:21:32,100
IMDB profile account with them.
Thank you very much for

3407
03:21:32,100 --> 03:21:36,690
supporting the best podcast in
the universe episode 1610 Now,

3408
03:21:36,990 --> 03:21:41,670
our formula is this. We go out
hit people in the mouth.

3409
03:22:01,290 --> 03:22:04,650
Oddly enough, the birthday list
is pretty short. We have David

3410
03:22:04,680 --> 03:22:11,700
CatCard turns 45 will turn 45 on
November 15. Jack show Schofield

3411
03:22:11,730 --> 03:22:15,990
wishes his wife Susie a happy
birthday turns 51 on November

3412
03:22:15,990 --> 03:22:22,110
24. That is tomorrow. And Jordan
brown wishes his son Ren Brown a

3413
03:22:22,110 --> 03:22:24,960
happy birthday he'll be turning
one year old tomorrow. And

3414
03:22:24,960 --> 03:22:27,720
Patricia Lewis wishes her
daughter Emily Mitchell a happy

3415
03:22:27,720 --> 03:22:30,570
birthday for the 29th we say
happy birthday from everybody

3416
03:22:30,570 --> 03:22:32,700
here's the best podcast in the
universe

3417
03:22:41,580 --> 03:22:45,870
don't want to be induced. We
have two title changes. Sir

3418
03:22:45,900 --> 03:22:49,320
Ronald Gardiner Baron of insane
Diego and surrounding waters

3419
03:22:49,320 --> 03:22:53,250
become sir Ronald Gardiner vi
counts of insane Diego and

3420
03:22:53,250 --> 03:22:57,390
surrounding waters in sir goon
becomes barren sir Dr. Goon and

3421
03:22:57,390 --> 03:23:01,740
we congratulate both of you and
we'd like to welcome our fresh

3422
03:23:01,740 --> 03:23:07,080
PhD candidates up here. The day
is coming up here. Duke of

3423
03:23:07,080 --> 03:23:10,290
Central Florida Jason Adams
Rodney Lilly bridge, Robert

3424
03:23:10,290 --> 03:23:14,820
Knutson, Brian Teleki Ernest
Flores anonymous Sherelle

3425
03:23:14,820 --> 03:23:19,650
Patterson AMI McDaniel Timothy
McKay QQ. Kevin Stevenson, sir

3426
03:23:19,650 --> 03:23:25,770
Moskovitz Matthew Gephardt Lee
north you Have you any dumber

3427
03:23:25,770 --> 03:23:30,150
scheme Uh, sorry, sir Jim watts,
Baron of Whistler, and Zachary

3428
03:23:30,150 --> 03:23:35,700
Michael. Welcome new no agenda
MD PhD to the society of learned

3429
03:23:35,700 --> 03:23:39,690
persons. The paths of this high
academic honor for some of you

3430
03:23:39,690 --> 03:23:42,240
has been a long one and costly
one some of the price has been

3431
03:23:42,240 --> 03:23:45,690
paid for by your hard earned
wisdom and someone other ways

3432
03:23:45,690 --> 03:23:48,600
but today is not the end No, it
is only a beginning. From this

3433
03:23:48,600 --> 03:23:52,860
point forward go forth and
spread the no agenda word far

3434
03:23:52,860 --> 03:23:55,350
and wide we will not be
silenced. We will not be

3435
03:23:55,350 --> 03:23:58,320
deterred. Trump is out there now
going fine.

3436
03:24:01,890 --> 03:24:04,830
John C Dvorak: You always laugh
at me is actually getting a

3437
03:24:04,830 --> 03:24:07,650
little better because you're so
dramatic. Working

3438
03:24:07,650 --> 03:24:11,100
Adam Curry: on it. I'm working
on it. Hey, we also have some

3439
03:24:11,100 --> 03:24:14,430
days and nights is a good day
here at the OK Corral bring.

3440
03:24:20,280 --> 03:24:24,900
Sherelle Patterson Suzie Brian
Teleki anonymous Timothy McKay

3441
03:24:24,900 --> 03:24:28,560
Keven Kevin Stephenson, Zachary,
Michael and Robert Knutson.

3442
03:24:28,710 --> 03:24:30,870
Please join us here on the
podium you're all in our

3443
03:24:30,870 --> 03:24:33,630
official names and Knights have
no agenda roundtable I'm very

3444
03:24:33,630 --> 03:24:37,230
proud to pronounce Casey as Dame
realistic of the Sierra

3445
03:24:37,230 --> 03:24:40,890
foothills Dame Suzy boots
shooter of the nature coast, sir

3446
03:24:40,890 --> 03:24:43,920
Dr. Otter of the freshwater sir
geese mill of the Four Corners

3447
03:24:43,920 --> 03:24:47,850
demilitarized zone, sir
Cordwainer of your SIR trs 80

3448
03:24:47,850 --> 03:24:52,110
circa 1984 and Sir Bobby J
decay, where you have got

3449
03:24:52,110 --> 03:24:56,490
hookers and blow rent boys and
Chardonnay, along with plain

3450
03:24:56,490 --> 03:25:00,840
seltzer water, grass fed rebuys
and rice as racks Blanton's and

3451
03:25:00,840 --> 03:25:03,630
carrot cake and of course,
you've got the mutton and meat.

3452
03:25:04,080 --> 03:25:08,250
Man what a lot of activity we
have here today. Please go to no

3453
03:25:08,250 --> 03:25:12,300
agenda rings.com and give us
your ring size and address where

3454
03:25:12,300 --> 03:25:15,990
we can send it PhDs also go to
no agenda rings.com and see in

3455
03:25:15,990 --> 03:25:19,230
the menu that you can fill out
the official name you'd like on

3456
03:25:19,230 --> 03:25:23,640
you listed on your PhD will be
sent to you and give us an

3457
03:25:23,640 --> 03:25:27,090
address for that and ring
recipients. Obviously, it comes

3458
03:25:27,090 --> 03:25:30,360
with the wax to seal your
official correspondence and your

3459
03:25:30,360 --> 03:25:33,690
official certificate of
authenticity. Thank you all for

3460
03:25:33,690 --> 03:25:37,260
becoming Knights and Dames of
the no agenda roundtable. No one

3461
03:25:44,280 --> 03:25:47,340
well, amazingly, there are a
couple of meetups that are

3462
03:25:47,340 --> 03:25:50,460
taking place this week tomorrow
to be exact, but first we have a

3463
03:25:50,460 --> 03:25:52,950
report from the San Francisco
meetup. Hello,

3464
03:25:52,950 --> 03:25:55,500
Unknown: this is lavish
reporting to live from the San

3465
03:25:55,500 --> 03:25:58,770
Francisco meetup at sunset
reservoir brewing. This is Sir

3466
03:25:58,770 --> 03:26:02,040
recalcitrant crazy Steve the
second and just letting you know

3467
03:26:02,070 --> 03:26:04,860
we're baman baman baman. And
again,

3468
03:26:04,980 --> 03:26:08,130
is it Sir Paul last night of the
Bay Area my first meetup.

3469
03:26:08,430 --> 03:26:12,690
This is Baroness Sarah rooper
listener from episode one. I'm

3470
03:26:12,690 --> 03:26:15,990
here with the original sucker,
baby pilot.

3471
03:26:16,260 --> 03:26:19,680
And this is her better half.
Jonathan Bird. First time meet

3472
03:26:19,680 --> 03:26:22,350
up in the morning. Captain Luke
here. Thank you for your

3473
03:26:22,350 --> 03:26:22,950
courage.

3474
03:26:23,190 --> 03:26:26,430
This dude named Ben named Ben
can of San Francisco exploring

3475
03:26:26,430 --> 03:26:28,770
all the beers San Francisco has
to offer.

3476
03:26:28,980 --> 03:26:32,010
Fair Annette Boyle here drinking
the beers and

3477
03:26:33,300 --> 03:26:36,030
Adam Curry: yeah, I can tell you
that in the morning sound like

3478
03:26:36,030 --> 03:26:39,240
it was done after some of the
beers. Yeah, yeah, here's what

3479
03:26:39,240 --> 03:26:42,360
we have. Come on up tomorrow.
Uh, no agenda meetup wise. We

3480
03:26:42,360 --> 03:26:45,210
have the Fort Worth Thanksgiving
recovery meet up at one o'clock

3481
03:26:45,390 --> 03:26:48,060
at flips Patio Grill that
weather permitting. It'll be

3482
03:26:48,060 --> 03:26:51,630
outside Fort Worth, Texas. And
also tomorrow flight of the no

3483
03:26:51,630 --> 03:26:54,900
agenda. You could never go wrong
with beer and tacos meet up.

3484
03:26:54,990 --> 03:26:58,830
That'll be at 3:33pm Pacific
whoa tortilla Cantina. in

3485
03:26:58,830 --> 03:27:01,740
Torrance, California. Of course.
Leo Bravo. He does all of those

3486
03:27:01,740 --> 03:27:06,090
out there. And then there's this
huge list that Mimi no no too

3487
03:27:06,090 --> 03:27:09,510
many eggs.com sent it's not that
big. And I'm just going to

3488
03:27:09,540 --> 03:27:11,880
mention a couple of them
November 30 Tilburg, the

3489
03:27:11,880 --> 03:27:16,140
Netherlands. We got Higgins from
Connecticut on December 2.

3490
03:27:16,140 --> 03:27:19,290
Remember Indianapolis Indy Hello
Indy curry and the keeper are

3491
03:27:19,290 --> 03:27:22,050
coming your way on December the
fourth. We got Houston on

3492
03:27:22,050 --> 03:27:24,240
December the ninth
Fredericksburg, Virginia on the

3493
03:27:24,240 --> 03:27:26,730
ninth we got Epping, New
Hampshire on the 16th this is in

3494
03:27:26,730 --> 03:27:29,700
December, Charlotte, North
Carolina December 21. We've got

3495
03:27:29,700 --> 03:27:32,820
them all the way up until
Christmas. No agenda meetups you

3496
03:27:32,820 --> 03:27:36,180
deserve to go to one of these.
It is the perfect companion to

3497
03:27:36,180 --> 03:27:39,210
the no agenda podcast where you
get to meet people hang out with

3498
03:27:39,210 --> 03:27:43,230
them feel good communicate with
human beings no AI allowed and

3499
03:27:43,230 --> 03:27:45,450
of course connection is
protection go to no agenda

3500
03:27:45,450 --> 03:27:49,080
meetups.com If you can't find
one near you start one yourself.

3501
03:27:49,080 --> 03:27:50,670
It's easy and always a party.

3502
03:27:53,370 --> 03:28:03,030
Unknown: With all the dates and
days, you will be triggered. You

3503
03:28:03,030 --> 03:28:03,570
want to be

3504
03:28:08,760 --> 03:28:15,450
Adam Curry: like alright, I only
have two ISOs so I'll I'll just

3505
03:28:15,450 --> 03:28:19,380
go first with my ISIS. Here's
the first one. Yeah, okay.

3506
03:28:21,300 --> 03:28:26,310
Here's the second one. Don't
believe Joe Biden. I could not

3507
03:28:26,310 --> 03:28:27,030
resist

3508
03:28:27,090 --> 03:28:30,870
John C Dvorak: this acuity. I
could not resist. Okay, I've got

3509
03:28:30,870 --> 03:28:37,560
for all of them pretty decent.
Be SBS is top one. Bullshit.

3510
03:28:37,590 --> 03:28:39,540
Unknown: It's all bullshit.
Anyway,

3511
03:28:39,540 --> 03:28:42,720
Adam Curry: who is this? I
recognize that bullshit. Trump.

3512
03:28:43,890 --> 03:28:49,050
John C Dvorak: Trump. Yeah. Then
we have a classic bye bye. Oh,

3513
03:28:49,110 --> 03:28:50,880
Adam Curry: I don't like the
ending but okay.

3514
03:28:52,320 --> 03:28:55,230
John C Dvorak: And then we have
the sound effect, which I

3515
03:28:55,440 --> 03:29:01,770
appreciate it. Yes. Good Ending
for Thanksgiving show. And I

3516
03:29:01,770 --> 03:29:04,740
think this is probably the best
one which is Thank God. Thank

3517
03:29:04,740 --> 03:29:07,350
God it's over. Yeah. Okay,

3518
03:29:07,350 --> 03:29:10,530
Adam Curry: I'm with you on that
one. I'm ready. That's it. Good.

3519
03:29:10,530 --> 03:29:11,850
We'll take that now. It's time

3520
03:29:11,850 --> 03:29:16,950
Unknown: for Google. JCD

3521
03:29:18,030 --> 03:29:19,710
John C Dvorak: All right. I do
have a good news.

3522
03:29:19,740 --> 03:29:21,810
Adam Curry: Of course you have a
good news clip because it's your

3523
03:29:21,810 --> 03:29:23,310
beat and you need to do it

3524
03:29:25,620 --> 03:29:28,440
John C Dvorak: well, this is a
unfortunately is a long clip and

3525
03:29:28,440 --> 03:29:31,680
then a fight has little follow
kicker good news. Good news.

3526
03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:31,920
Good

3527
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:34,380
Adam Curry: news clip can never
be can never get too much good

3528
03:29:34,380 --> 03:29:35,820
news. Well,

3529
03:29:35,820 --> 03:29:38,280
John C Dvorak: this is good news
for people with alopecia.

3530
03:29:38,460 --> 03:29:41,880
Unknown: And now to a story that
is positively San Diego a

3531
03:29:41,880 --> 03:29:45,990
student at a well PR Lady of
Peace in North Park has just won

3532
03:29:45,990 --> 03:29:49,380
the highest Girl Scout honor
called the gold award and it's

3533
03:29:49,380 --> 03:29:52,860
for her dedication, leadership
and commitment to making a

3534
03:29:52,860 --> 03:29:54,060
difference in her community.

3535
03:29:54,060 --> 03:29:57,540
ABC reporter Perla Shaheen joins
us now live from North Park

3536
03:29:57,540 --> 03:30:00,510
pearly had a chance to talk to
this young woman about her

3537
03:30:00,510 --> 03:30:04,470
struggle with alopecia and how
she's turning all of it into a

3538
03:30:04,470 --> 03:30:05,700
positive. Jared

3539
03:30:05,700 --> 03:30:08,820
we met right here at the Academy
of Our Lady of Peace. This is

3540
03:30:08,820 --> 03:30:11,940
her high school. And let me tell
you sitting in front of a 17

3541
03:30:11,940 --> 03:30:15,270
year old who was so well spoken,
and so accomplished was

3542
03:30:15,270 --> 03:30:18,840
extremely impressive. And this
tote bag that I'm carrying is

3543
03:30:18,840 --> 03:30:22,500
just one part of her mission to
spread awareness around

3544
03:30:22,500 --> 03:30:26,640
alopecia. It's a disease that
causes sudden and severe hair

3545
03:30:26,640 --> 03:30:31,350
loss. At 14 years old Gabriella
caminos started losing large

3546
03:30:31,350 --> 03:30:36,990
patches of hair on her scalp,
losing my hair my thick hair was

3547
03:30:37,020 --> 03:30:41,100
scary to me no had just started
high school at Our Lady of Peace

3548
03:30:41,250 --> 03:30:45,270
near University Heights. Doctors
assumed the sudden bolding was

3549
03:30:45,270 --> 03:30:48,420
correlated to stress it takes a
toll on your mental health your

3550
03:30:48,420 --> 03:30:53,520
self confidence you feel very
alone finally in May of 2021

3551
03:30:53,550 --> 03:30:57,030
Samina was diagnosed with
alopecia areata, she turned to

3552
03:30:57,510 --> 03:31:00,840
scout troop for support, but no
one understood the disease

3553
03:31:00,870 --> 03:31:01,260
looking

3554
03:31:01,260 --> 03:31:05,010
through the photos online and
there were only pictures of

3555
03:31:05,010 --> 03:31:09,030
middle aged men with bald spots
in their beards or their heads

3556
03:31:09,060 --> 03:31:12,660
but didn't really feel
represented this project

3557
03:31:12,660 --> 03:31:14,400
alopecia tote bag so Samina

3558
03:31:14,400 --> 03:31:17,400
decided to use her Girl Scout
Gold Award project as an

3559
03:31:17,400 --> 03:31:20,730
opportunity to raise awareness
of the disease. She started a

3560
03:31:20,730 --> 03:31:23,700
Health and Wellness Fair at her
school, giving women the

3561
03:31:23,700 --> 03:31:27,450
opportunity to donate their
hair, and she created tote bags

3562
03:31:27,450 --> 03:31:30,270
filled with educational
pamphlets and books that

3563
03:31:30,270 --> 03:31:33,060
students could pick up to learn
more about alopecia.

3564
03:31:33,150 --> 03:31:36,480
Each of those tote bags were put
into every school in the Diocese

3565
03:31:36,480 --> 03:31:37,170
of San Diego.

3566
03:31:37,230 --> 03:31:40,680
Her work was so profound, the
Girl Scouts recognized her with

3567
03:31:40,680 --> 03:31:43,650
the gold award. It's their
highest honor and only a

3568
03:31:43,650 --> 03:31:46,440
shortlist of members are
awarded. Wow.

3569
03:31:46,470 --> 03:31:48,990
Adam Curry: I mean, not just
good news but good news with a

3570
03:31:48,990 --> 03:31:55,080
tote bag. And did you ever
second part to this good news.

3571
03:31:55,080 --> 03:31:55,200
Oh,

3572
03:31:55,200 --> 03:31:55,890
John C Dvorak: second part.

3573
03:31:56,250 --> 03:31:58,560
Adam Curry: Wow, this is fans.
How did you feel when

3574
03:31:58,560 --> 03:31:59,310
Unknown: you had earned it?

3575
03:31:59,580 --> 03:32:03,840
It was definitely fulfillment, a
lot of accomplishment, a lot of

3576
03:32:04,050 --> 03:32:08,670
gratitude that I actually
experienced everything. I turned

3577
03:32:08,670 --> 03:32:12,810
a negative into a positive and I
would never go back

3578
03:32:12,990 --> 03:32:17,010
in just a week. Gabby is going
to start her senior year here at

3579
03:32:17,010 --> 03:32:20,400
Our Lady of Peace and she plans
to continue this work in

3580
03:32:20,400 --> 03:32:23,850
college. And then she will join
the gold award ceremony for the

3581
03:32:23,850 --> 03:32:28,230
Girl Scouts next year. Live in
North Park Perla Shaheen, ABC 10

3582
03:32:28,230 --> 03:32:28,560
News.

3583
03:32:28,680 --> 03:32:32,340
Adam Curry: Wow. Well, John, I
can only say you've just you've

3584
03:32:32,340 --> 03:32:35,280
outdone yourself good news and a
tote bag.

3585
03:32:36,090 --> 03:32:42,210
Unknown: A good news story from
JC Edie had the vibes for you

3586
03:32:42,210 --> 03:32:48,150
and me and we all feel better
now. He's done his bit. Back to

3587
03:32:48,150 --> 03:32:50,280
reality. That's turning to shit.

3588
03:32:54,330 --> 03:32:57,870
Adam Curry: Sir Chris Wilson, he
lives and we love him for it.

3589
03:32:58,650 --> 03:33:02,400
Alright, affiliates, we're at
three hours. 33 minutes and 33

3590
03:33:02,400 --> 03:33:05,400
seconds. How about that,

3591
03:33:05,400 --> 03:33:07,200
John C Dvorak: huh? Too long,

3592
03:33:07,230 --> 03:33:12,540
Adam Curry: too long. Well, it's
what it is. It's a special

3593
03:33:12,540 --> 03:33:16,110
Thanksgiving episode. Special
Show special show just for

3594
03:33:16,110 --> 03:33:19,320
y'all. Coming up next the no
agenda stream as you continue to

3595
03:33:19,320 --> 03:33:21,810
hang out here. I'm sure since
who wants to hang out with the

3596
03:33:21,810 --> 03:33:26,400
relatives? Oh, it's episode 65
of carrying the keeper. Which

3597
03:33:26,400 --> 03:33:32,160
was podcast and just last night
fresh. Fresh off the grill. And

3598
03:33:32,160 --> 03:33:35,640
the show mixes DS laughs or
Michael Anthony. We got Danny

3599
03:33:35,640 --> 03:33:38,760
loosen sir Starkweather we thank
them very much. We thank all of

3600
03:33:38,760 --> 03:33:41,310
you. Thank you trolls for being
here in the chat room. Have a

3601
03:33:41,310 --> 03:33:44,850
happy Thanksgiving coming to you
from the heart of the Texas Hill

3602
03:33:44,850 --> 03:33:47,700
Country in the morning
everybody. I'm Adam curry in

3603
03:33:47,700 --> 03:33:49,530
John C Dvorak: from Northern
Silicon Valley where it's

3604
03:33:49,530 --> 03:33:53,370
actually hot and hazy for some
reason today. I'm Jhansi Dvorak.

3605
03:33:53,520 --> 03:33:53,850
We

3606
03:33:53,850 --> 03:33:56,370
Adam Curry: look forward to
being right back here with you

3607
03:33:56,370 --> 03:34:01,020
on Sunday. We hope you will join
us remember connectionist

3608
03:34:01,020 --> 03:34:07,290
protection and don't eat too
much Turkey, your turkeys. until

3609
03:34:07,290 --> 03:34:12,150
Sunday, remember us at the
vorak.org/na Adios mofos a hui

3610
03:34:12,150 --> 03:34:18,030
Hui, and such so far no good.

3611
03:34:19,950 --> 03:34:22,320
John C Dvorak: But again, we're
so far ahead of the game on this

3612
03:34:22,350 --> 03:34:25,080
deconstruction stuff that we
think could be months from now

3613
03:34:25,110 --> 03:34:25,620
does happen

3614
03:34:26,790 --> 03:34:29,190
Unknown: and spotting lies let
me give you some clues non

3615
03:34:29,190 --> 03:34:32,250
pertinent information I mean, it
puts you in the shoes

3616
03:34:32,400 --> 03:34:36,210
masquerading as the news stories
amplified given to the public

3617
03:34:36,240 --> 03:34:39,660
but think about it who's to
choose information war

3618
03:34:39,660 --> 03:34:43,350
supplements and so much more on
short next in line young Alex

3619
03:34:43,350 --> 03:34:47,100
Jones analyses when time 60 days
on trumped up charges so then

3620
03:34:47,100 --> 03:34:51,330
I'm calling you all out. Pigs in
human swine law enforcement what

3621
03:34:51,330 --> 03:34:54,780
their lives easier eating donuts
over pounding the pavement. It's

3622
03:34:54,780 --> 03:34:58,770
not evil, but it is tastier. A
funny statement nonetheless.

3623
03:34:59,070 --> 03:35:03,060
very unpopular. Left amongst our
base yes Global Citizen and

3624
03:35:03,060 --> 03:35:06,900
never made sense to me. You can
only live your life as a private

3625
03:35:06,900 --> 03:35:10,350
entity can we all agree
collectivism over your

3626
03:35:10,350 --> 03:35:14,280
individuality is a hell of a
schism. What makes the show

3627
03:35:14,280 --> 03:35:18,210
special when loser drone drifts
the Monday's produces put away

3628
03:35:18,210 --> 03:35:22,020
the phone preferably in a drawer
what do we now have in store

3629
03:35:22,020 --> 03:35:26,250
PhDs in media deconstruction
that means so much more. That

3630
03:35:26,250 --> 03:35:30,210
goes to no agenda store? No
watching that you the bomb, I

3631
03:35:30,210 --> 03:35:35,010
could just go on and on. Tab
never wrap up the news. Wrap up

3632
03:35:35,010 --> 03:35:37,050
the news that coming up and up
the song.

3633
03:35:39,930 --> 03:35:46,740
Happy Thanksgiving in New York
City as your base base into last

3634
03:35:46,740 --> 03:35:52,530
time he went on a holiday in
turkey and ham while I am in

3635
03:35:52,530 --> 03:35:57,930
tofurkey and yams and enjoy your
meat why you can we already had

3636
03:35:57,930 --> 03:36:03,360
meatless Mondays in school vegan
Fridays and we're going to keep

3637
03:36:03,360 --> 03:36:07,200
trying to make all your plant
base but if you're still going

3638
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:10,890
to eat meat, the FDA just
approved lab grown chicken for

3639
03:36:10,890 --> 03:36:14,850
human consumption and if you're
still not satisfied with that

3640
03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:20,190
recall make only crickets and
cockroaches like I say enjoy

3641
03:36:20,190 --> 03:36:24,330
that you're gonna be eating rats

3642
03:36:30,510 --> 03:36:35,640
symptomatic transmission has
never been to the driver of

3643
03:36:35,640 --> 03:36:41,340
outbreaks. The driver of
outbreaks is always symptomatic

3644
03:36:41,340 --> 03:36:51,990
person who models in the 90s are
quite clear and 66 sided facts

3645
03:36:52,200 --> 03:36:58,170
we keep having six out of the 60
see bewildered slow but a that

3646
03:36:58,170 --> 03:37:01,980
was the worst answer he's ever
given for any question sick

3647
03:37:01,980 --> 03:37:07,950
person. An epidemic is not
driven by asymptomatic care

3648
03:37:07,980 --> 03:37:13,770
carriers Superbad we record
these things Yeah, we keep the

3649
03:37:13,770 --> 03:37:14,580
website

3650
03:37:17,820 --> 03:37:25,950
alerted. So we sort of had to
discover it on our own. way

3651
03:37:25,980 --> 03:37:28,170
language is suddenly fast.

3652
03:37:32,190 --> 03:37:39,630
Side effects team of scholars on
staging gas cans will slow down

3653
03:37:39,630 --> 03:37:40,560
the mouse mouse and

3654
03:37:43,590 --> 03:37:46,260
flu is over the

3655
03:37:49,800 --> 03:37:51,930
winter is coming to is

3656
03:37:52,320 --> 03:37:55,230
one was called Atlantic storm
and the other one was called

3657
03:37:55,230 --> 03:37:57,510
Dark Winter Dark Winter darkest

3658
03:37:57,510 --> 03:38:00,030
Adam Curry: and worst days of
this pandemic, unfortunately,

3659
03:38:00,030 --> 03:38:00,900
are ahead of us not

3660
03:38:01,170 --> 03:38:05,460
Unknown: dark winter more. Look
at it. Go through all the

3661
03:38:05,460 --> 03:38:09,240
processes and by the way, we're
about to go into a dark winter.

3662
03:38:09,570 --> 03:38:11,340
The recent Dark Winter exercise.

3663
03:38:11,670 --> 03:38:13,080
Adam Curry: It's a very dark
moment.

3664
03:38:21,030 --> 03:38:27,390
Unknown: MoPhO boruch.org/and
Thank God it's over.