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John C Dvorak: Keep the guy on
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on the call. Adam curry

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Adam Curry: Jhansi Dvorak April
16 2023 This is your award

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winning get one nation media
assassination episode 1547. This

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is no agenda devoid of any
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broadcasting live from the heart
of the Texas hill country here

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in the Marines in number six in
the morning, everybody. I'm Adam

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John C Dvorak: and from Northern
Silicon Valley where somebody's

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celebrating the fact that
today's the day the German shut

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down their last two nukes I'm
John Cena, borax.

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Unknown: Buzzkill

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I'm glad you brought that up. I
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insanity. Unbelievable what is
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John C Dvorak: I'm of the
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on purpose to try to jack the
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Unknown: Well, they're gonna get
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this is also the same week that
Finland finally opened up their

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1.6 gigawatt nuclear reactor
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John C Dvorak: No, I did not
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Unknown: have a clip of that, of
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Why would you tell anybody about
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of their energy is going to be
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Nick, talk to us a little bit
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I left this in. You can hear how
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So the guy standing. I don't
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in front of the nuclear reactor
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from HQ. And then this hilarity
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Monte I lost the phone
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hear that question. But I know
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so phony like wow, they all know
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tell me what the history I knew
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That's that'll go away that's
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noise. Now it's it's someone's
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connection. But did this their
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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reactor, and to the skepticism
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then it grew until in the 1990s,
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the whole process of contesting
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of government here was the
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John C Dvorak: a moment makes it
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Unknown: it. Not only that, but
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disaster. And yes, there there
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the rods, but no one fried if
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up. No one's dying over there.
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old plants. So by from their
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it's 2% per plant. Yeah. So we
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under some kind of mind control.
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what's wrong logically, with
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summer alone, the US saw five
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1000 years? Not five. Is this
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John C Dvorak: Oh, there's just
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because it sounds bad. But what
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they need to we need to build
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reservoirs or what's the deal?
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John C Dvorak: Infrastructure is
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change. Let's listen to

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floods from the Midwest to Texas
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John C Dvorak: it can mean
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aqua ducks. I just talked about
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John C Dvorak: But have you now
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John C Dvorak: in on cooking
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John C Dvorak: Yeah, he says he
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know, flooding the house but the
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John C Dvorak: all those poor
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John C Dvorak: It didn't
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John C Dvorak: Well, probably
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Tiki huts. Lord is needing more
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Unknown: Literally. They're
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all for sending us your videos
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a cat fish swimming around my
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to be flopping forte gotta be
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prediction. You know they have
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Unknown: Well, I think we need
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news of the week. Which I which
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clip at least. How the US News
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news media is handling this by
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are we used to think you can
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clearance, you are not allowed
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is the incredible news that was
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John C Dvorak: What kind of by
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about this before on the show,
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you're a spook and the other
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information is bullcrap. But
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before we get into it, so I just
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John C Dvorak: Let me just Well,
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of that will be in the clips. At
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Unknown: Oh, I have warnings I
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John C Dvorak: Hold on a second.
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what they're saying. And there's
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John C Dvorak: That Well luckily
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intelligence communities to take
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sensitive information. That's
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sensitive documents came to
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member of the Air National Guard
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he leaked highly classified
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about Russian moves in Ukraine
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Ukrainian army. Joining us now
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miles. So what steps can the
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after a breach like that? Well,
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first thing, obviously, is to
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kind of information. Now there
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who have access to this
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came out of the Joint Chiefs of
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claiming did he just say the
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restrict people who have access
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John C Dvorak: I thought I
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from reading your stop stopping
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that's what he said. Okay. Yeah,
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Unknown: Numero Oops, here. Yes,
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adversaries. So the US is
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communications like phone calls
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Russians. That will all quickly
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phone numbers, radio
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which information came from
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MPRs Tom Bowman thank you so
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What was that report?

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John C Dvorak: That would was
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Unknown: They're out of order
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exclamation mark. I'm sorry.
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titled them with exclamation
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John C Dvorak: still says three.

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John C Dvorak: Okay, well, that
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just pretend you didn't hear
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it wasn't that interesting.
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two, which is interesting. Okay.

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Unknown: Already the Pentagon is
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information. I was talking with
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that access, and they have high
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continue as far as how many
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just don't know. And then

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Pentagon nor the Justice
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at all. Right now, I spoke with
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have access to this kind of
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to share likely gained access to
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worldwide intelligence
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wicks, Pentagon likes acronyms.
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that would contain all kinds of
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that's how Chelsea Manning the
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whistleblower convicted back in
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grab 1000s of documents and
release them. Now. When that

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happened, the Pentagon and other
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miles, you're an intelligence
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Taiwan issues. After that you
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to anything related to Ukraine.
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Ukrainian issue. Maybe you could
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what's being picked up on
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John C Dvorak: know you're not
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bit from Amy, which is coming
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they said. Which is the their
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Chelsea Manning thing happened.
We remit we know that. So they

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supposedly said well, oh, geez,
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things. So. So now it's was
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man, by the way people should be
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John C Dvorak: Yeah. Ray. Mash.
Yeah. So you have this guy

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having access to all this stuff.
And just, it's so deep homage

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goes back. Right back to the man
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systems within Defense
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there's, this is what like, I
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a journeyman for some reason,
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or he's contracted out to do
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comes to IT admin stuff, one of
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SIS admin for the drone systems.
And when that person she but

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when that person left she, you
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stick to the admin password on a
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monitor, you remember that?

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you know, and things were
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drone signals were unencrypted.
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that's the or not but now that
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entities that come in and so
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know, this is billions, hundreds
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it every single day and the the
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million dollars one one bidder
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a website just at the level that
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John C Dvorak: goes and when
they're canceling that this this

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contracting thing is completely
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where they're contracting out
food services. Yeah. Is that

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what you remember when you when
I was a kid there you always

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joke about why you getting the
army do you do KP appeal to the

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potatoes? Nobody feels potatoes.
You get Burger King? Yeah, or

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yeah, whatever, guys, the
airlines It was horrible for

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Unknown: maps. Let me just run
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interestingly enough, actually
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the leaked Pentagon documents
reveal. I thought that was

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surprising. The BBC. I'll just
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to accommodating to Russia,
which is Antonio Gutierrez. He

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was apparently too willing to
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according to file so so cheap
now he is. That's not good for

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the UN Secretary General was not
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feared Chinese retaliation over
Huawei. Did you even hear about

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that being in these documents?
Nope. No,

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John C Dvorak: no, no, the thing
is you these documents are deep.

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Yes. And I'm sure this little
list that you have here is

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something no one's heard about
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But that's the tip of the
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Unknown: Russian infighting over
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it'd be a what's the real
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operating inside Ukraine be
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France, the US and the
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boots on the ground. Yep. US
DIMMs hopes for Ukraine

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offensive. Egypt secretly
planned to supply rockets to

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Russia. Yeah. South Korea torn
on delivering weapons to

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Ukraine. Last night, we kind of
knew that. China conducted

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experimental weapons tests with
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mean, these are kind of
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John C Dvorak: Well, that takes
us to me. No, I'm not going to

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play the warning. No, you don't
have to play you already played

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at once. All right. So that's
her report. And this was I

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think, on Friday, was a lot of a
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going to play one of them
because I think it's very

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interesting. And then I want to
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this guy Bamford who's a spy. He
writes books about display.

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Bamford we know this guy band
for Don't ya? I can't remember

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his first name. He said he
introduces them. But let's play

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leaks tidbits. This is I think
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the United States spied on its
own allies. One like Pentagon

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memo alleges that the Mossad
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Israelis to take part in the
massive protests against Prime

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Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is
planned to gut the Israeli

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judiciary.

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John C Dvorak: So that was
interesting. And by that I did a

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little research on this for
previous show. This gutting the

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judiciary and the fact that the
Mossad is turned against

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Netanyahu and everybody that
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the way CIA did with Trump. Yep.

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Unknown: Not kind of exactly. If
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judiciary problem where, you
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determine anything they wanted.
In Israel. It's very much like

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the CIA against Trump.

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John C Dvorak: So the what what
Netanyahu wants to do? He thinks

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it's a problem that the
judiciary has so much power, and

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they can pretty much just feed
on any law that the Knesset and

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he and a buddy puts together and
he doesn't like that. And I

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don't know if he's going to ever
get that fixed. But there he's

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not trying to get them. What it
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is, I think, more important, is
that the way things are now, to

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get a new member into the
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people, yeah, they decide, they
decide they have to have it's

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got to be one of their buddies.
So it's like is as if the

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Supreme Court all of a sudden
could say, oh, you can't put him

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in it. Well, that's we need
another conservative How would

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you like that situation to be
like that? That's no good.

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Unknown: Yeah, in fact, they
they say that democracy is over

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in, in Israel. I didn't play Oh,
I don't have a whole bunch of

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clips on this. And all this
demonstration was basically like

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Black Lives Matter, you know,
outraged leftists who are just

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causing a ruckus making it look
like the whole country was

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against Netanyahu. Yeah. Which
is far from the truth. This

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James Bamford guy. You trust
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John C Dvorak: I like what he's
got to say in this in these. I

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don't distrust him,

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Unknown: because he's basically
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has no end he's a Berkeley alum.

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John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, they
because that's not

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Unknown: good. No, that's
striking. Well, hello, there you

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go. Now we know why your he's
your buddy. Okay, let's go.

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John C Dvorak: Okay, let's go
with the part one. And this is

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not the clip that you'll get a
kick out of one of these clips.

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Unknown: many of the documents
are based on information

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gathered by some of the most
secret wings of the US

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intelligence community,
including National

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Reconnaissance Office, the NRO
National Geospatial Intelligence

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Agency, the State Department's
Bureau of Intelligence and

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Research the Pentagon's dia
Defense Intelligence Agency, and

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the National Security Agency,
the NSA. We go now to Washington

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DC, where we're joined by James
Bamford longtime investigative

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journalist and author for cuts
down the intelligence community

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in 1982, he published the puzzle
Palace, the first book exposing

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the inner workings of the NSA,
the National Security Agency,

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his latest book, just out is
called spy fail, foreign spies,

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moles, saboteurs and the
collapse of America's counter

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intelligence. Jim, welcome back
to Democracy Now. It's great to

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have you with us again. Why
don't you just start off by as

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you evaluate what has been
released this intelligence, if

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it's real, and it by all
accounts, it looks real. of the

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US spying on adversaries and
allies. I talk about what's most

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significant and where are these
documents are from?

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I think the most significant

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outcome of this is, is a danger
that we may lose actual human

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beings and in Russia, because a
lot of the documents indicate

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that we have collected
information from the inner

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workings of the Russian
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services and the military. So
there are people that may be

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giving us information. And now
that these documents have come

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out, it gives the Russians that
opportunity to do a more hunt

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the hunt for people who are
giving that information away. As

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00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:25,920
a matter of fact, officials told
The New York Times in The

449
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,180
Washington Post that the
revelations might lead Russian

450
00:26:30,210 --> 00:26:35,280
mole hunters to the doorsteps of
Americans faiz in their ranks,

451
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,450
machine roll mole hunters so
that kind of explains the Wall

452
00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:45,870
Street Journal guy maybe. Yvonne
golden off? Yeah. Well, he's,

453
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,410
you know, he's been detained in
Russia as a spy. All right,

454
00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:50,580
John C Dvorak: right. Right,
right. Yeah.

455
00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:52,200
Unknown: Mole Hunter, Russian mo
hunter. I

456
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,030
like that. Yeah, hunting for
moles. That

457
00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:58,200
sounds like a good reality show.
Russian, that would be a great

458
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,540
reality. So we should we should
talk to Burnett about it.

459
00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:03,810
John C Dvorak: Okay, on to get
clipped to his more kind of a

460
00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:06,630
background or just a basic
thing, before we get to the good

461
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:06,900
one,

462
00:27:07,469 --> 00:27:11,069
Unknown: what they call sources
of methods, both human and

463
00:27:11,069 --> 00:27:15,599
technical that were released by
the documents. Now, strangely,

464
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:21,029
it mostly documents that are
leaked appear in major news

465
00:27:21,059 --> 00:27:23,999
organizations and New York
Times, Washington Post, Wall

466
00:27:23,999 --> 00:27:28,799
Street Journal, whatever. They
never appear on gaming

467
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:34,079
platforms. So this is a first
for that. It's hard to say why

468
00:27:34,109 --> 00:27:37,769
any of this stuff is appearing,
or why it's appearing on those

469
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:43,049
platforms. Using this three
reasons for spying. That was one

470
00:27:43,049 --> 00:27:45,869
of the reasons I wrote spy
failed, because there are so

471
00:27:45,869 --> 00:27:51,839
many spies out there that the US
never ends up catching. And

472
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,099
there's three main reasons one
is money. Obviously, most spies,

473
00:27:56,099 --> 00:28:00,179
so want to sell secrets for
money. Another is ideological,

474
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,249
they want to help a foreign
government. They don't care much

475
00:28:05,249 --> 00:28:09,299
about money. And the third
reason is basically the thrill.

476
00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:16,529
Or I'll say, anger. So that
could be the reason that these

477
00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:19,889
documents were released. The
third reason anger, somebody was

478
00:28:19,889 --> 00:28:22,769
angry, and they decided that
they're just going to put these

479
00:28:22,769 --> 00:28:26,699
documents on whatever platform
they happen to be using. So it's

480
00:28:26,699 --> 00:28:30,689
very hard to hard to know, the
key point is that the government

481
00:28:30,719 --> 00:28:33,059
keeps losing documents.

482
00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:38,670
Now, for some reason, I get a
high like, magenic vibe from

483
00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:42,060
this whole thing. I'm not sure
why. Maybe it's just because

484
00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:44,520
he's right book writes books and
stuff. I don't know.

485
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,190
John C Dvorak: Maybe I mean, you
should you go with your gut.

486
00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:51,750
Yeah. But I want you to listen
to this last clip from this guy.

487
00:28:51,780 --> 00:28:57,420
All right, which is the wild
clip. And I want you to tell me,

488
00:28:57,660 --> 00:29:01,560
if you've heard of any of this,
because you brought up something

489
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960
earlier with one of the clips
that came out at the beginning.

490
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,410
They said John ever heard of
that? Never knew that. We're

491
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:10,350
starting to do things that are
in this. Things are revealing,

492
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:14,340
but he just talks about stuff
that he's been been discovering

493
00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:18,690
over time. And I'd like to know
why we don't know any of this

494
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,580
Unknown: is that the government
keeps losing documents. A few

495
00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:30,510
years ago, just a few years ago,
the NSA lost upwards of half a

496
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:34,890
billion documents. Employees
just walking out the door with

497
00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:40,290
these documents. They lost three
quarters of cyber weapons, the

498
00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:44,460
United States cyber weapons, the
NSA, lost three quarters of

499
00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:48,720
them. Somebody stole them and
put them up on auction. The

500
00:29:48,750 --> 00:29:52,170
North Koreans ended up getting
the cyber weapons and so did the

501
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:56,790
Russians. And they turned him on
the United States. So there is a

502
00:29:56,820 --> 00:30:01,320
complete lack of accountability.
already when it comes to

503
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:06,930
classified information, top
secret documents and so forth,

504
00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:10,230
walks out the door and nobody
ever gets fired. Is he

505
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:15,210
is now easy confusing it with
vault nine, which was the CIA

506
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:15,870
tools?

507
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,870
John C Dvorak: I don't think so
he's talking about NSA tools.

508
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:19,620
Were so they

509
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:22,530
Unknown: don't share their
tools. There's no I would say no

510
00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:28,680
tool sharing going. You think
I'm probably not? Okay. So part

511
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,100
of this.

512
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,560
John C Dvorak: I know. And then
those were just freely

513
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,890
available, the east side about
stuff that was stolen, and then

514
00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:40,020
auction to the North Koreans. On
the block on the dark web,

515
00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:42,300
Unknown: he should have said,
and they paid for it in Bitcoin

516
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:43,380
that would have completed it

517
00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:45,840
John C Dvorak: would have been
interesting. It probably did,

518
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,620
actually. But the point is, is
that I didn't know of this.

519
00:30:50,190 --> 00:30:53,070
Unknown: No, this I had not
heard either, but it's it sounds

520
00:30:53,070 --> 00:30:54,420
a bit like volt nine.

521
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:58,830
John C Dvorak: But volt nine
wasn't auctioned. As true. It's

522
00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:59,280
true.

523
00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:04,260
Unknown: So here's what I get a
little bit from this. A bit of a

524
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:12,240
like Q anon bait. Yeah. So a lot
of this may be true. Most of all

525
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,640
of it may be true. But it just
seems like why is this why are

526
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,420
we only hearing about this? Now?
Why do we, your point is valid?

527
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:24,630
Why are we only hearing about
these tools that walked out the

528
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:28,110
door now? Why did we hear this
before? Why is this

529
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:30,240
John C Dvorak: where they were
in his book? So the book has

530
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,890
been out so well? How can we
didn't hear about and why did we

531
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:38,640
not hear about it then? Because
who's going to cover it? Nobody

532
00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:42,300
because they're all because
they're all read in? They they

533
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:47,220
can't look at this stuff. I
think the media is so read in

534
00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:48,090
and so.

535
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,580
Unknown: Oh, yeah, five by five
all the way. They're all they

536
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:57,630
all have class. I think they all
have clearance. Yeah. And

537
00:31:57,630 --> 00:31:59,670
John C Dvorak: because of the
stupid rule that if you have

538
00:31:59,670 --> 00:32:02,730
clearance, you can't look at
this stuff. That's why they read

539
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:03,900
those domains. Why

540
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,770
Unknown: Dana Perino said it she
said that not for not for anyone

541
00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:11,370
watching Fox News. No she said
it for her colleagues. Hey boys,

542
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:14,670
John C Dvorak: boys and girls to
MIT just to remind them so

543
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:17,880
Unknown: let's listen to the M
five M and maybe we can pick up

544
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:25,020
some things because a lot of
this feels very set up. Again,

545
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:28,620
somehow I get this Q anon vibe
with whenever I hear discord and

546
00:32:28,620 --> 00:32:31,710
then belling cat and 4chan or
belling

547
00:32:31,710 --> 00:32:34,710
John C Dvorak: cat No. Let's
stop Bellingcat was involved in

548
00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:39,720
you and belling cat. Anytime you
hear belling cat that is the red

549
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,640
flag for you major Yes,

550
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:46,050
Unknown: it is. Yes Bellingcat
is a bull crap organization that

551
00:32:46,050 --> 00:32:50,820
is that when they're involved in
NBC is quoting them meal like Oh

552
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:55,650
yeah. Alright, so here's ABC
This is Martha Raddatz.

553
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,210
He sat on his parents back deck
a news helicopter hovering

554
00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:00,960
overhead.

555
00:33:00,990 --> 00:33:04,980
Okay, so right there. Why did
the news helicopter have no

556
00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:08,880
right away to be there? They
were they were they were clued

557
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:16,920
in because this is a true FBI.
FBI in in armored vehicles with

558
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,230
flak flak jacket with with camo

559
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,270
John C Dvorak: flak jackets and
the camo and the troop carrier.

560
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:28,560
Come on. So oh, by the way, so I
mentioned in the newsletter that

561
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,670
there was one female FBI agent,
yeah, no helmet with no helmet

562
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:35,520
and somebody wrote me an email
one of our producers send in a

563
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:41,850
note intonations, she said, or
he said that it was probably

564
00:33:41,850 --> 00:33:44,580
done on purpose to make it clear
to everyone that they had enough

565
00:33:44,580 --> 00:33:47,280
diversity that they wouldn't
have a female there and they had

566
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,240
to make clear. Yes. Yeah, exact
good points. So she can't wear

567
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,260
the helmet because you wouldn't
know no man. That would be that

568
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:57,810
which makes it even more of a
charade.

569
00:33:58,050 --> 00:34:00,030
Unknown: Yep. So when you have
the news helicopter and they

570
00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:02,280
don't have the guy in custody,
they're still getting him.

571
00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:06,540
That's a setup. They Yeah, they
told the news media we're gonna

572
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:07,620
go get him. He

573
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:11,880
sat on his parents back deck, a
news helicopter hovering

574
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,800
overhead as an FBI SWAT teams
want full tactical gear of

575
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,460
kroetsch This is the moment they
arrested the young man

576
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:24,270
authorities believe may be
responsible for the massive leak

577
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:25,710
of top secret again.

578
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:31,650
John C Dvorak: So is there at
your day do due diligence on

579
00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:35,400
these things? Because it seems
to me that there was no way that

580
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,150
a SWAT team was necessary
because unless they don't know

581
00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:43,920
anything. They're completely
idiots and they don't know who

582
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,520
this guy is wearing anything
about him. They've done no work

583
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,460
whatsoever. They think is the
you know, I don't know what

584
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:54,420
they're expecting from this
family with a kid 21 year old

585
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:58,620
Airman First Class that they
would come in with full force a

586
00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:03,690
SWAT team unless they don't know
what they're doing, or I don't

587
00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:04,410
believe that

588
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,390
Unknown: now it's just a full
setup. It's a fault. This is

589
00:35:06,420 --> 00:35:08,460
this is television magic and
authorities

590
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:12,480
believe may be responsible for
the massive leak of top secret

591
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,260
information that has rattled
America and our allies around

592
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:20,190
the world. 21 year old Sherif
with his hands on

593
00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:23,730
a could they get the age, right?
That's 20s 21 And no one has the

594
00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:24,900
age and a consistent

595
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,490
21 year old jack to share with
his hands on his head, walking

596
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:33,420
out of his family home in North
Dighton Massachusetts, agents

597
00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:38,250
ordered him to turn around and
slowly he backs towards them. He

598
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:42,630
is seized, taken into custody
and led to an SUV

599
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:47,460
John C Dvorak: shop again. He's
not led to an SUV. He's led to a

600
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:51,990
troop carrier. He sits on the
back of it. Now. First of all, I

601
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:56,010
Unknown: do have my clips. I
love this Kiki Patek

602
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:03,660
John C Dvorak: Bhagawan. Thank
you, Kara. So he comes out his

603
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:06,630
hands on his his walk and they
tell him to turn around and walk

604
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,150
backwards. Why?

605
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:11,970
Unknown: Well, because you know,
he might have a Ninja throwing

606
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:12,540
star.

607
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,610
John C Dvorak: Well, if he does,
he might be in the front.

608
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,060
Unknown: But while you're he
could whip it out.

609
00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:20,939
John C Dvorak: He's not going to
care in the back necessarily.

610
00:36:21,149 --> 00:36:24,569
But what is the point of what
just what is the point if he's

611
00:36:24,569 --> 00:36:27,179
coming out? Come on. He's got
his hands behind his back. He's

612
00:36:27,179 --> 00:36:31,499
walking toward them. Now turn
around and walk backwards. What

613
00:36:31,499 --> 00:36:35,039
is the point? I'm asking? Is
there a law enforcement people

614
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,639
out there? What is the point of
the stupidity he could trip over

615
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:42,209
a rock walking backwards? He
can't see where he's going. It's

616
00:36:42,209 --> 00:36:45,779
stupid. And if he trips over a
rock and falls on his Astor they

617
00:36:45,779 --> 00:36:46,499
shoot him.

618
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:49,830
Unknown: Why didn't they rush
him?

619
00:36:51,060 --> 00:36:53,010
John C Dvorak: Again, why didn't
they rush? Well, that's a good

620
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:54,210
point is SWAT

621
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,070
Unknown: they should have done
this with Trump. That would have

622
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:58,980
been great. Make him turn
backwards walk backwards into

623
00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:59,700
the courthouse.

624
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Today the Justice Department
arrested Jack Douglas to share a

625
00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:06,180
connection with an investigation
into a lead

626
00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:08,520
and I'm amazed everyone knew how
to pronounce his name I look at

627
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,950
that name and like texture was
so what tissue Bucha two

628
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:13,020
John C Dvorak: could you if
there was a kid in my when I was

629
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:13,770
named

630
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:18,480
Unknown: Jack Douglas to share a
connection with an investigation

631
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,660
into alleged unauthorized
removal, retention and

632
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:24,900
transmission of classified
national defense information

633
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,280
to share with a low ranking
enlisted airmen IT specialist

634
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,090
for the intelligence wing of the
Massachusetts Air National Guard

635
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,260
at Otis Air Force Base in Cape
Cod ever since the story of the

636
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:41,700
massive leak exploded into the
headlines. The Pentagon and FBI

637
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:45,510
have been on the hunt for the
culprit. Was it a spy? Was it a

638
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:49,950
rogue foreign power? Then
overnight, a blockbuster report

639
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:53,250
in The Washington Post
describing the man behind the LI

640
00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:57,750
not as an international criminal
mastermind, but as a young man

641
00:37:57,750 --> 00:38:02,040
trying to impress a small group
of other young men and teenagers

642
00:38:02,190 --> 00:38:08,310
in a 25 person invitation only
chat group online gaming forum

643
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:09,270
discord,

644
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:12,870
so they don't even really know
what Discord is. And that's kind

645
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:16,110
of fun. Do you have discord?
Discord servers, you know, you

646
00:38:16,110 --> 00:38:20,160
have discord itself? You know,
they immediately say it's

647
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520
associated with a game well,
yeah, it is. But not necessarily

648
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,420
lots of people have discord
servers. This This guy also

649
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:31,140
sounds to me not like a sysadmin
he sounds more like the guy who

650
00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:36,330
fixes your laptop. You know what
I mean? So maybe there was a

651
00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:39,990
laptop open a you know, I can't
fix something I can't print.

652
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:46,170
Typical. Oh, I'll print for you.
Let's let's that's whoa, this

653
00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:50,670
too. I know from from my dudes
named Ben. There's the tune top

654
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:56,790
of it. Specialist demands one.
My password doesn't work, which

655
00:38:56,790 --> 00:39:00,030
is typically because the Caps
Lock is on. And the other is I

656
00:39:00,030 --> 00:39:03,840
can't print. So someone's over
there. I can't print Oh, would

657
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,930
you look at this not printed for
you don't worry, because it was

658
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:12,450
printed out and then fold it up.
He did not exfiltrate it with a

659
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:16,230
USB drive or anything. You
printed it which should be

660
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:21,030
pretty easy. You know, as you
have told us for years that all

661
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:25,590
printers have markings on them.
So you can find out exactly

662
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:29,820
which printer printed out a
document Correct?

663
00:39:30,149 --> 00:39:34,169
John C Dvorak: Yep. They put the
little light yellow codes that

664
00:39:34,169 --> 00:39:38,309
you can't see with the naked
eye. So that would all printers

665
00:39:38,309 --> 00:39:43,259
have is it was the idea was and
it's not well known, but it's a

666
00:39:43,259 --> 00:39:47,159
fact because it's to prevent
counter as the catch

667
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,029
counterfeiters that use ink
Jetson laser printers

668
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,890
Unknown: now we continue the
posts

669
00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:56,640
that are talking to one of those
teams appearing in shadow with

670
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,740
his mother's permission. This

671
00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:05,010
I love so this guy In this team,
this team who guess was under

672
00:40:05,010 --> 00:40:10,920
18. And Og, as they called him
was his best friend. Now, you

673
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:15,090
know, this is all too stupid
this is actually insulting to

674
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:17,400
our intelligence. But you know,
hey, you know, we cover this

675
00:40:17,549 --> 00:40:21,719
host talking to one of those
teams appearing in shadow with

676
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,469
his mother's permission. He
described the person who he said

677
00:40:25,499 --> 00:40:28,139
posted all those classified
documents.

678
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:34,170
He was a young charismatic man
who loved nature God, who loved

679
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:36,870
shooting guns and racing cars.

680
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:41,040
John C Dvorak: Isn't this a
clip? You played last show? I

681
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,210
think so. No. Yeah. You somebody
Have you played this clip? No,

682
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:46,950
I'm not talking about that clip.
You're playing now. I'm talking

683
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:51,030
about this kid. Different play
this sub clip.

684
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:53,280
Unknown: This is different. This
is by the way that people are

685
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:56,190
questioning your printer story
saying that sounds like some

686
00:40:56,190 --> 00:40:59,700
Steve pathetic bullcrap. We're
not talking about the quantum

687
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,640
watermarks. Okay. Just explain
how you know this.

688
00:41:04,110 --> 00:41:08,430
John C Dvorak: From a printer
maker. Yeah. I was told about

689
00:41:08,430 --> 00:41:13,680
this. Probably in the late 80s.
Yeah, they had here's the

690
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:19,020
problem. The laser printers in
particular, were getting so good

691
00:41:19,530 --> 00:41:23,700
that you could print a you know,
$100 Bill $20 bills, mostly 20s

692
00:41:23,850 --> 00:41:25,800
People were started printing
these things on these early

693
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,320
laser printers. And so something
had to be done to track them

694
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,980
down. And so they developed this
idea of printing these very

695
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:39,240
light, serial, essentially, it's
a serial number of dots of very

696
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,600
super light yellow dots that can
be detected with if you put them

697
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,300
under a microscope, you can find
him just run a couple of blank

698
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,360
sheets of paper through your
printer. And you'll see these

699
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,700
little don't necessarily appear
on a blank sheet. You have to

700
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,330
print something I got to print
out Yeah, because otherwise they

701
00:41:57,330 --> 00:42:00,750
heads just gonna stay there. But
it's on ink jets and I'm pretty

702
00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:03,540
sure it's on ink. Jess was on
ink Jensen lasers. I stand with

703
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:07,740
you on this one. It makes sense.
Of course. Why wouldn't you do

704
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:08,160
this?

705
00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:11,280
Unknown: Onward who loved
shooting guns and

706
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,550
I love I love the bringing some
white Christian stuff with this

707
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:15,930
as always good and racing

708
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:18,780
cars. God did have sort of a
bossy attitude at some points,

709
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:21,630
but it was more of a fatherly
bossy. He did see himself as the

710
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:23,910
leader of this group and
ultimately he was leader of this

711
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:25,620
group. This this this

712
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:28,890
kids I mean, does it sound like
your typical 17 year old or 16

713
00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:32,700
year old? Boy is this someone
talking about him? I'm unsure

714
00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:33,840
he said that starting?

715
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,030
John C Dvorak: No, the teen she
said this kid that's talking is

716
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:42,810
a supposedly the 1718 year old
that doesn't sound like to meet

717
00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:46,290
the man who sounds more mature.
Sounds more matured? And he's

718
00:42:46,350 --> 00:42:48,300
he's not. He's a plant?

719
00:42:48,569 --> 00:42:52,739
Unknown: Yes. where's the
where's Have you heard 16 and 17

720
00:42:52,739 --> 00:42:56,939
year olds talk like, like, he
was kind of like the leader like

721
00:42:56,939 --> 00:43:01,289
of the group. You know, like he
was the OG I sit with him. This

722
00:43:01,289 --> 00:43:02,159
is not that guy

723
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:05,460
wants but it was more of a
father. He did see himself as

724
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:07,620
the leader of this group, and
ultimately, he was leader of

725
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:08,160
this group.

726
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:12,090
The team said that starting last
fall, the man who he called OG

727
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:16,470
posted hundreds of pages of
classified documents to impress

728
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:17,970
his friends in the group.

729
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,650
The documents were often listed
as Ukraine versus Russia at

730
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:26,130
first, however, it slowly
spiraled into just intelligence

731
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:29,370
about everything. How did that
feel to know things before the

732
00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:33,690
rest of the world? It felt like
I was on top of Mount Everest, I

733
00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:37,350
felt like I was above everyone
else to some degree. And that

734
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,450
John C Dvorak: allowed stop. So
you you're a theory that this is

735
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:46,500
a plan. Of course, he's obscured
because his mom wouldn't let you

736
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:48,300
talk about what his mom

737
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,820
Unknown: let him tell you. How
can we just have one of those

738
00:43:50,850 --> 00:43:51,960
voice changers?

739
00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:56,430
John C Dvorak: But he definitely
needs one because it does sound

740
00:43:56,430 --> 00:44:02,580
to you sounds like he's in his
20s or 30s. And so it doesn't

741
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:07,470
make sense what he's saying that
you know, okay, so I'm a 17 year

742
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,500
old and I'm getting I'm in a
discord chat room I'm talking

743
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,770
about some games I'm you're
doing deconstructions of of

744
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:16,590
different strategies so we can
have something to do with who

745
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:20,070
knows what and the all of a
sudden you get a bunch of

746
00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:25,530
classified top secret documents
about the relationship of Poland

747
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:30,870
to the Lithuania to to the
Jewish Mossad stuff. And now you

748
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:32,790
feel like you're on top of the
world mount

749
00:44:33,390 --> 00:44:34,560
Unknown: Mount Everest mountain

750
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,400
John C Dvorak: Mount Everest.
Really? Even if I saw that

751
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,830
stuff, I wouldn't feel that way.

752
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:44,640
Unknown: Where's What is this
Mount Everest coming from? Hello

753
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,910
1980 Who's all like they're like
I was on top of Mount Everest.

754
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:53,430
Today we'd say something else
helped me out drills. I might be

755
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:53,730
right

756
00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:55,380
John C Dvorak: about that.
That's a good catch. Just

757
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:57,450
doesn't find it doesn't sound
right. Yeah. You wouldn't be

758
00:44:57,450 --> 00:45:00,510
saying stuff that you know here.
Welcome to the seven You know,

759
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,080
Unknown: I felt like I was on
top of Mount Everest. I felt

760
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,120
like I was above everyone else
to some degree. And that I

761
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,690
would, I'd be able to brag to
some people that I knew stuff

762
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:13,620
that they didn't. But in

763
00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:16,800
the months that followed, the
documents were shared well

764
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,700
beyond that small chat group.
That Post reporter also viewed

765
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:25,230
video of the man identified as
OG standing at a shooting range

766
00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:30,060
with a rifle yelling racial and
anti semitic slurs before firing

767
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:30,840
his weapon.

768
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:36,000
John C Dvorak: All right. Let's
throw that in.

769
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:42,000
Unknown: Hey, you black Jew. I
hate you. And why don't we see

770
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,670
why don't we have this video?
This is dynamite stuff. We need

771
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:45,480
this video.

772
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:48,600
John C Dvorak: We got the kid.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for the

773
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,390
manifesto from the shooter.
Yeah, right. We're not seeing

774
00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:52,680
that either. All right, I'm

775
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:55,830
Unknown: standing at a shooting
range with a rifle yelling

776
00:45:55,830 --> 00:46:00,360
racial and anti semitic slurs
before firing his weapon at a

777
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,570
target. But when the story of
the leaks mushroomed into an

778
00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:08,460
international crisis, the teen
said, Oh gee became alarmed. He

779
00:46:08,460 --> 00:46:12,480
says, Oh, gee said goodbye to
the group. Just a few days ago,

780
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:15,420
he was just saying that this may
be the last year overseas

781
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:18,810
advice. And he was thanking us
for all the good times that we

782
00:46:18,810 --> 00:46:22,770
had together and hoping that
everything would blow over

783
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,730
was going to kill himself is
going to blow himself up.

784
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:30,240
John C Dvorak: So do they have
copies of these? This transcript

785
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:30,360
if

786
00:46:30,990 --> 00:46:33,510
Unknown: we have not seen that
we have not seen you think it'd

787
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:36,900
be easy to get? This is a
dynamite report. By the way.

788
00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:41,280
That's what ABC has gone above
and beyond to give us great

789
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,740
content. Thank you. Thank you,
Martha. Martha, as

790
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:47,460
you noted there, Jack to Shara
is a very low ranking member of

791
00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:50,130
the armed services, raising even
more questions, a question about

792
00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:53,550
why he had such access to top
secret information.

793
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:57,480
You know what, he may not even
have been approved to see what

794
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,020
he allegedly copied. We just
don't know that yet. But he was

795
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:06,150
an IT specialist, meaning he may
have computers there. All right,

796
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:06,870
information.

797
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:10,260
Yeah, he worked on computers
that hack. And I think that that

798
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:14,610
sounds like the perfect
honeypot? Yeah, there's there's

799
00:47:14,610 --> 00:47:18,960
plenty of thinking out there
that this need, maybe not all of

800
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,870
this. But some of this needed to
come out. Some of it needs to be

801
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:24,930
talked about because of the
obvious poor situation in

802
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:28,590
Ukraine. And we need to back out
of that. And, you know, we need

803
00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:31,140
to start preparing people for
the fact that this is going to

804
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:36,330
be another Afghanistan debacle
is no good. And here's the final

805
00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:38,460
clip in the series. Hey, Martha.

806
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:40,590
We know it's early in the
investigation, but what are you

807
00:47:40,590 --> 00:47:43,740
learning about whether the
Pentagon will reassess who can

808
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:47,130
see these kinds of classified
documents in the future? Well,

809
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:47,970
already today, the

810
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:51,690
Secretary of Defense has ordered
a review of who gets access to

811
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:55,950
top secret documents and how
that information is handled and

812
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:56,640
contained.

813
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:59,520
Wow, you'd think they'd have
done that. As you pointed out,

814
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,830
you know, maybe Chelsea Manning
might have been the time to do

815
00:48:01,830 --> 00:48:06,240
that. Or no, no, no, though.
This smells let's go to NBC.

816
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,120
Let's see what would they have
over there new information

817
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,390
tonight about the Chinese spy
balloon shot down earlier this

818
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:15,660
year. The details coming from
the classified documents

819
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:19,260
allegedly leaked by 21 year old
National Guard airman jack to

820
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:20,280
share I hadn't heard

821
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,180
about this there's balloon
information that he's leaked

822
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:24,630
now.

823
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:28,620
John C Dvorak: Now it's becoming
more obvious as something is

824
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:33,060
amiss because it does this like
we've dug ourselves into a bunch

825
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:36,870
of different holes that we can't
seem to get ourselves out of. So

826
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:40,620
let's leak our own information
so it so we can always go well

827
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:43,590
you know yeah it sounds like
that from the front from the you

828
00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:47,370
know what you're what the public
facing that doesn't look good

829
00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:52,560
but you but you as you can tell
back here and back in the back

830
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,650
we've already determined that
this and that and the other

831
00:48:55,650 --> 00:49:00,870
thing so it looks like a cover
your ass situation that's very I

832
00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:04,530
mean this is our these all seem
to be cover your ass I mean okay

833
00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:08,040
yeah sure we got and also burned
a few bridges that you might

834
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,570
want to burn out let's see if we
were burned the UN guy he's told

835
00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:17,460
Let's burn them aside or not? Or
whatever that's all about we

836
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:21,840
don't know for sure. Yeah, yeah,
this burn Let's burn this stupid

837
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,600
Ukraine war that we're going
broke send his stuff over

838
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,580
because we got to start
concentrating on China's How

839
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:26,790
about

840
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:29,220
Unknown: this? How about a
consolidation of intelligence

841
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:34,920
power? Because what you're not
hearing here is CIA's not

842
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:35,670
getting burned.

843
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,080
John C Dvorak: No, that's an
interesting theory too. I think

844
00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:42,360
well, there could be that could
be involved that could be part

845
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:42,690
of it.

846
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:43,680
Unknown: Alright, let's go to

847
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:45,840
John C Dvorak: cover your ass
moment

848
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:48,600
Unknown: was reports that
Chinese spy balloon carried

849
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,080
sensors and antennas and that
the US knew of up to four

850
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,650
additional Chinese spy balloons.
The paper also reporting on

851
00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:59,610
Taiwan's vulnerability to a
Chinese attack citing a pentagon

852
00:49:59,610 --> 00:50:02,070
assessment meant that China
would quickly gain air

853
00:50:02,070 --> 00:50:05,340
superiority if it invaded
Taiwan. There are also new

854
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:08,460
insights tonight into why the US
government didn't know for

855
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:12,690
months that state secrets had
been posted online at issue the

856
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:16,380
limits on what kind of checks
are done on the 1.3 million

857
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:20,130
Americans with top secret
security clearance. Critics say

858
00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:23,040
the government now can't keep
track of all the people with

859
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,020
access to sensitive information

860
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,630
Okay, all right. This is now
this this is turning into

861
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,800
something good because I have a
feeling that all the exactly

862
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,690
what you said all these things
we're hearing they're not even

863
00:50:33,690 --> 00:50:37,140
in the documents. We haven't
seen all we've seen is some maps

864
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:41,550
of Ukraine a couple we haven't
seen any of this. Where is it?

865
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:44,640
Where are these documents? Where
these hundreds of documents

866
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,200
where are they? Where are they?
I mean if they were on Discord

867
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:52,560
they've been copied they've been
distributed everywhere where are

868
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,510
how come I have Why Why don't I
have a copy?

869
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,660
John C Dvorak: No, you probably
should so I'm thinking another

870
00:50:57,660 --> 00:51:01,410
thing here and this was I think
this is brought up with some

871
00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:04,860
other situation we had where
this were first released or at

872
00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:10,230
least started to get released a
good ones months ago. So they're

873
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:13,500
getting released and Amanda guys
who are doing the planning for

874
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,410
this whole scam, just saying
okay, we got these releases. We

875
00:51:16,410 --> 00:51:19,470
got that release this guy's
printing it let's see wait to

876
00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:22,980
the news media catches it. week
goes by

877
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,930
Unknown: or maybe it's just
maybe it's just

878
00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:27,630
John C Dvorak: no, no, let me
finish. Okay, so the week goes

879
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:30,810
by planning nobody picks up on
it. Another week goes by nobody

880
00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:33,540
picks up on it. Another week
goes by nobody picks up on it.

881
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:38,670
Nobody's picking up on what's
going on. They freak out. And

882
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:41,580
this is all you know, this is
should have started a month ago

883
00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:43,980
because it's costing us money
with the stuff we're sending to

884
00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:48,180
Ukraine. I think this whole
thing was had to be blown out by

885
00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:52,140
the Intel people themselves
because the news media was so

886
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:57,870
lacks that they couldn't catch
this thing going on. Don't you

887
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:58,200
think?

888
00:51:58,230 --> 00:52:00,900
Unknown: Possible I just when
you say planning department, I

889
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:03,990
just I just visualize these guys
with Gantt charts on the wall

890
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:07,170
you know, planning department.
Yeah. Leaking planning

891
00:52:07,170 --> 00:52:09,600
department. Well, let's see.
There's more MVC here.

892
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:12,720
He is just the latest 20
Something accused of leaking.

893
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:15,390
There's a lot about 20
somethings to I'm hearing a lot

894
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:18,690
about 20 Somethings young people
good 20 Somethings 20 Somethings

895
00:52:18,690 --> 00:52:22,230
low level low level as a lot of
a lot of the memes going on here

896
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:23,010
from the mainstream.

897
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,400
He is just the latest 20
Something accused of leaking top

898
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,360
secret information. Jack to
share. Oh wait.

899
00:52:32,070 --> 00:52:33,300
John C Dvorak: I know we're
never gonna get through these

900
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:33,600
clips.

901
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,870
Unknown: I enjoyed this so much.
No, wait, but wait.

902
00:52:37,710 --> 00:52:40,770
John C Dvorak: He's the latest.
Yeah, exactly. 20 something who

903
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:43,770
are the other ones there? You
gotta been leaking top secret

904
00:52:43,770 --> 00:52:44,370
document. I

905
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:47,730
Unknown: must have missed
something. PS the idol remember

906
00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:48,300
John C Dvorak: this?

907
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,850
Unknown: Troll room. What other
20 Somethings were involved in

908
00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:54,330
this?

909
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,530
John C Dvorak: It Back it up and
he didn't listen to that little

910
00:52:58,530 --> 00:52:59,550
ditty again.

911
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,120
Unknown: He's just the latest 20
Something accused of leaking top

912
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,140
secret information.

913
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:10,740
I mean, reality winner maybe.
But she was she's now 15. That

914
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:15,630
was so long ago. Right. Snowden
wasn't 20 something more? Maybe

915
00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:16,860
he was? No, I

916
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:20,370
John C Dvorak: don't think so. I
think it was 3030. That's 10

917
00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:23,340
years ago, and that's 10 years
old. It's not the latest. So

918
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:28,140
it's not the latest? It's a
reemergence you could say maybe

919
00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:31,740
but I don't think that snowed in
applies to Snowden definitely

920
00:53:31,740 --> 00:53:34,140
doesn't apply to Assange. The
guy's 90

921
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,000
Unknown: poor poor

922
00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:38,610
John C Dvorak: looks nary for
guards.

923
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:40,740
Unknown: I mean, yeah, I guess I
guess you could say that. But

924
00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:44,430
how about this 20 Somethings are
a problem. We got to do

925
00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:45,120
something with them

926
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:49,290
jack to share his job as a cyber
transport systems journeyman

927
00:53:49,529 --> 00:53:52,559
cyber transport systems
journeyman.

928
00:53:53,490 --> 00:53:56,070
John C Dvorak: That means he
took out the removable hard

929
00:53:56,070 --> 00:54:00,630
disks cyber cyber transfer and
then he put a new disc in there

930
00:54:00,630 --> 00:54:03,930
Unknown: cyber transport jerk
but journeyman isn't journeyman

931
00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:06,840
someone who was hired gun for
something.

932
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:12,570
John C Dvorak: No journeyman ism
is a guy who is adept and is

933
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,970
highly qualified for his for a
for a layer of of jobs. He's an

934
00:54:17,970 --> 00:54:21,000
attorney knows what he's doing.

935
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,650
Unknown: Now, historically
speaking, a trained worker who

936
00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:27,510
was employed by someone else

937
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:33,060
John C Dvorak: okay, but in the
labor force, it's a guy who

938
00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:35,220
knows what he's doing is a
journeyman the book of

939
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:39,270
knowledge. began her a new guy
or what Okay, well, he's

940
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:45,480
Unknown: cyber transport. This
is new cyber transport jacked as

941
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,110
a removable

942
00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:46,860
John C Dvorak: hard disk.

943
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:51,120
Unknown: job as a cyber
transport systems, journeyman

944
00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:52,260
and it worker with

945
00:54:52,439 --> 00:54:57,509
no transport systems. That means
he worked on cars, trucks, cars

946
00:54:57,509 --> 00:54:58,199
and trucks.

947
00:54:58,230 --> 00:55:01,350
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he's a good
He was a good guy when it came

948
00:55:01,350 --> 00:55:03,870
to automatic transmissions. I
guarantee you

949
00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:06,870
Unknown: there's there's men and
women in our armed forces who

950
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:09,450
are rolling their eyes at us
right now I'm going to already

951
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:11,820
writing emails and I can't wait
to read them back to

952
00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:15,660
share with us job as a cyber
transport systems journeyman and

953
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:19,350
it worker with access to secret
systems require that he was at

954
00:55:19,350 --> 00:55:23,550
least 17 hold a driver's license
and undergo 18 months of

955
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:24,030
training.

956
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:26,100
That sounds good enough for for
sure.

957
00:55:27,150 --> 00:55:27,960
John C Dvorak: Go for it

958
00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:28,980
Unknown: sounds good.

959
00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:31,770
John C Dvorak: That's the way to
keep our secrets give it to a 17

960
00:55:31,770 --> 00:55:32,550
year old

961
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:35,490
Unknown: four star general Barry
McCaffrey no question you

962
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:38,220
shouldn't have had even a remote
access to that kind of

963
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:43,500
information. Nor should the Air
National Guard. I mean, at the

964
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:47,160
end of the day, it's a
compromise. But veteran

965
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,420
intelligence experts say 1.3
million Americans have access to

966
00:55:51,420 --> 00:55:53,730
top secret information from
Mila.

967
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:57,660
It is my understanding that
there's more like 3 million

968
00:55:57,660 --> 00:56:01,320
Americans Here they come again
with 1.3 million I think and 10.

969
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:04,200
Could even be that. Well, the
classification. I don't know if

970
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,340
it's top secret, but we always
heard it was about 3 million top

971
00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:12,870
secret. Class people love top
secret clearance. And they keep

972
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:16,350
NBC keeps throwing out this 1.3
million but they can't keep

973
00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:17,070
track of them.

974
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:20,820
Okay, top secret information
from military and government

975
00:56:20,820 --> 00:56:24,840
workers to outside contractors.
And the military has always

976
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,730
relied on 20 Somethings

977
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:31,320
Did you there it is again. 20
Somethings. So this is a hit job

978
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,850
on the military to you stupid
military, you can't rely on 20

979
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:36,540
Somethings,

980
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:39,750
it's the very youngest members
of the service that have the

981
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:41,910
skill sets and talents inside.

982
00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:47,130
Ah, there it is. Because only
the 20 Somethings can understand

983
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:50,010
discord to become administrators

984
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,120
of their systems

985
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:54,990
need to know is based on
patriotism, trust and threat of

986
00:56:54,990 --> 00:56:58,350
prosecution that you'll never
disclose national secrets for

987
00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:01,500
the rest of your life or face
possible prison time

988
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:04,890
need to know and patriotism I
didn't can you measure

989
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:10,950
patriotism? What's interesting,
and you know I do have no CBS

990
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:17,730
clips just again tells me that
some of this is CIA CIA throwing

991
00:57:17,730 --> 00:57:18,180
it's gonna be

992
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,630
John C Dvorak: a massive up, it
could be CIA versus dia.

993
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:22,890
Unknown: Well,

994
00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:25,710
John C Dvorak: I don't think
that that battle needs to be

995
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:29,370
done in this manner, which is
fine. It just is some sort of an

996
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,970
if it's some sort of if it's
some sort of an OP, which it

997
00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:37,620
looks like more and more as
deconstruct we have to figure

998
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:41,490
out why. And I think I'm going
to stick with my theory which is

999
00:57:41,490 --> 00:57:44,670
a cover your ass situation.
They're going to burn a few

1000
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:48,660
people so what we got to stop
this Ukraine war we've got to

1001
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,480
deal with this and we got to
deal with that. We got to let it

1002
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,720
be known that we've already we
knew about this all along. The

1003
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,010
Chinese balloon was no surprise
and all the other bull crap they

1004
00:57:59,010 --> 00:58:01,560
canceled explain. Right back to
NBC.

1005
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,800
Unknown: He is just the latest
20 Something accused of leaking

1006
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,190
top secret information. 23 year
old Chelsea Manning provided

1007
00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:10,680
some 100,000 documents to
WikiLeaks

1008
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,030
John C Dvorak: 23 There it is.
Here's

1009
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:15,990
Unknown: your 23 So these are
all dumb shits can't believe it.

1010
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,410
John C Dvorak: They're not dumb
shits are untrustworthy.

1011
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,520
Unknown: 29 year old Edward
Snowden to Russia Okay there it

1012
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:23,670
is.

1013
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:26,130
Now we now we understand it's
the 29 year olds that the

1014
00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:30,960
military employs the military is
partly hit job on dia

1015
00:58:30,990 --> 00:58:35,490
us secrets jack to share us job
as a cyber transport systems

1016
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:39,630
journeyman and it worker with
access to secret systems require

1017
00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,780
that he was at least 17 hold a
driver's license. And

1018
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:47,610
I think the judge does not play
this clip. I'm sorry. Back to

1019
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,460
now Hallie jumping up now we get
into a couple other issues

1020
00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:58,200
because the big thing on twitter
etc. Is this is this is to to

1021
00:58:58,470 --> 00:59:04,680
hurry along the Restrict act.
And we kind of had that initial

1022
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,870
thinking as well because they
were talking about Oh, it's on

1023
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:09,510
social media, social media, but
now it's no longer on social

1024
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:14,940
media. Now it's on the focus on
Discord and private chats.

1025
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,460
ADC news is learning tonight
that Intel agencies are looking

1026
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:21,180
to change how they monitor chat
rooms and social media online

1027
00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:24,210
According to multiple sources
familiar with this, after that

1028
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:28,260
huge leak of sensitive Pentagon
documents on Discord. Apparently

1029
00:59:28,260 --> 00:59:31,650
they're looking to expand now
how many kinds of sites like

1030
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:35,370
this day watch? After all of
that classified information was

1031
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:38,820
exposed, it was mostly related
to the war in Ukraine. The

1032
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:42,210
Pentagon really showing it does
not want a repeat at all of

1033
00:59:42,210 --> 00:59:45,480
these super sensitive documents.
Just hang it out for maybe weeks

1034
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:45,750
without

1035
00:59:46,110 --> 00:59:49,320
just hanging out. What does that
what is that Hallie Jackson?

1036
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:51,930
Hanging out,

1037
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:54,420
John C Dvorak: but like he does
that every so often with her

1038
00:59:54,450 --> 00:59:57,720
presentation. She does that
little high voice kind of

1039
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:59,400
borderline squeal

1040
01:00:01,829 --> 01:00:03,449
Unknown: Like limited hanging
out,

1041
01:00:04,019 --> 01:00:07,529
the Pentagon really showing it
does not want a repeat at all of

1042
01:00:07,529 --> 01:00:10,799
these super sensitive documents
just hanging out for maybe weeks

1043
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:13,379
without anybody noticing. And
this is Dan Deleuze is joining

1044
01:00:13,379 --> 01:00:14,039
us now. So

1045
01:00:15,179 --> 01:00:18,809
they have this discord chat
sound going on in the

1046
01:00:18,809 --> 01:00:23,429
background, which is I think
meant to to aggravate your

1047
01:00:23,429 --> 01:00:26,219
nervous system for some reason
is really bad. You are

1048
01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:29,550
among the team reporting on this
you currently others? What are

1049
01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:32,250
the changes these Intel agencies
want to make here? Like is this

1050
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,240
getting more staff looking at
places more discord, other

1051
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,650
corners of the internet, etc?

1052
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:40,830
corners of the internet? Like
those damn podcast?

1053
01:00:41,279 --> 01:00:44,609
Yes, it is. And of course,
there's no guarantee it's still

1054
01:00:44,609 --> 01:00:47,219
really difficult. Right? Right.
And the problem is

1055
01:00:47,549 --> 01:00:50,789
what's really difficult, right?
What is so difficult, right? You

1056
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:54,029
guys own? Own the wires, you can
look at anything you want.

1057
01:00:54,059 --> 01:00:58,559
You've got room 204, whatever it
was, you copy the internet in

1058
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,539
Utah, how difficult is it right?

1059
01:01:00,749 --> 01:01:04,049
Yes, it is. And of course,
there's no guarantee it's still

1060
01:01:04,049 --> 01:01:07,529
really difficult, right? And the
problem is, these documents

1061
01:01:07,529 --> 01:01:11,069
appeared in a pretty obscure
corner of the internet. And what

1062
01:01:11,069 --> 01:01:11,189
is

1063
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:13,140
this corner is it square

1064
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:18,840
John C Dvorak: is a big square.
And there's a corner

1065
01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:21,240
Unknown: where we're in the
corner

1066
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,090
of the unit. And the problem is
these documents appeared in a

1067
01:01:24,090 --> 01:01:28,920
pretty obscure corner of the
internet and discord, the social

1068
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,490
app where they first appeared,
it is known by cyber experts as

1069
01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:36,480
a place where you can kind of
move illicit data, that it's a

1070
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,500
place where sometimes criminals
put out malware or stolen data.

1071
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,680
So some critics are saying the
US should have been a little bit

1072
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,970
more vigilant. On the other
hand, we can't watch everything.

1073
01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:50,820
So they're trying to expand the
number of sites they'll look at.

1074
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:54,000
They're also looking at
restricting how many people get

1075
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,390
access to some of this
classified information to try to

1076
01:01:57,390 --> 01:01:58,560
reduce the risk.

1077
01:02:00,630 --> 01:02:06,240
restrict how many people get
access to reduce the risk. I

1078
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,350
think you're right. At this
point, it's just a thing. It's

1079
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:14,010
just the discord server and the
20 Somethings, and you can say

1080
01:02:14,010 --> 01:02:17,070
whatever you want. Well, you
know, we all know that that

1081
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,280
information was leaked out by
the 20 Somethings on the discord

1082
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,730
in a corner of the internet. You
can just say it, we haven't seen

1083
01:02:23,730 --> 01:02:27,000
we have no proof of what they're
saying. We have no proof. We

1084
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,620
have a common I've seen five,
six images of maps that are

1085
01:02:31,620 --> 01:02:34,530
folded. What have you seen? Have
you seen more than that?

1086
01:02:34,770 --> 01:02:36,510
John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's a
lot more than that. I've seen

1087
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:39,480
what have you seen? There's just
a bunch of documents. There's

1088
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,040
just a variety of just, you
know, memos and other crazy

1089
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,560
stuff. It's just there's a lot
of stuff my was was

1090
01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:51,210
Unknown: I haven't seen much of
that. To you. Don't whatever you

1091
01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:52,380
do, don't What about?

1092
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:54,180
John C Dvorak: I know you can't
look at it? No.

1093
01:02:55,710 --> 01:02:57,390
Unknown: Really, really, you're
gonna help me like

1094
01:02:58,110 --> 01:03:01,710
privacy laws and how that plays
a part in this because that's a

1095
01:03:01,710 --> 01:03:02,700
factor here too.

1096
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:04,290
Absolutely.

1097
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:08,130
This is good. Now we're talking
about privacy laws. This is

1098
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:09,660
really interesting fact you're
here to

1099
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:13,590
absolutely. And it's
complicated. It's not so easy.

1100
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:17,400
You cannot burst into a private
chat room without probable

1101
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:17,910
cause.

1102
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:24,210
Yeah, this is good. This is this
is why they had to employ

1103
01:03:24,210 --> 01:03:29,730
Bellingcat to get around the
possibility that anyone says,

1104
01:03:29,730 --> 01:03:32,190
Hey, wait a minute. What are you
guys doing in our private chat?

1105
01:03:32,190 --> 01:03:33,360
You can't do that

1106
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,660
John C Dvorak: way. We will have
to stop you there. Why? Why

1107
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:37,710
can't they do that?

1108
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,370
Unknown: You can't spy on
Americans. You're not spying

1109
01:03:41,370 --> 01:03:42,630
John C Dvorak: on anybody.
You're just going in and

1110
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:45,990
checking the price. It's a chat
room. It's on the internet. It's

1111
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:48,690
like there's no corner a corner
of the internet. I don't care if

1112
01:03:48,690 --> 01:03:54,450
it's a corner or if it's
triangle. There is a there's no

1113
01:03:54,450 --> 01:03:57,150
what is that word they use?
There's no expectation of

1114
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,880
privacy. It's the internet.

1115
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,250
Unknown: Which is for porn.
Absolutely. And it's

1116
01:04:05,250 --> 01:04:08,910
complicated. It's not so easy.
You cannot burst into a private

1117
01:04:08,910 --> 01:04:14,280
chat room. Because no matter
what is bullcrap to you are so

1118
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:17,429
John C Dvorak: Wait, stop, I got
another thought on this. They're

1119
01:04:17,429 --> 01:04:22,469
saying this. Because that's what
a honeypot operation would do.

1120
01:04:22,739 --> 01:04:26,639
Right? You'd say something like
this, which is bullcrap. Because

1121
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:30,629
there's no expectation of
privacy on the internet period.

1122
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:34,409
So you'd say something like what
he just said, Well, you know if

1123
01:04:34,409 --> 01:04:36,989
you're in our private chat, you
know the IRC maybe it'd be in

1124
01:04:36,989 --> 01:04:39,899
their in their crazy room there
and now we can't do anything

1125
01:04:39,899 --> 01:04:43,589
without a warrant. That's bull
crap. He's just lying to

1126
01:04:43,589 --> 01:04:45,899
suckers, people stupid people.

1127
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,010
Unknown: Here you go, God
probable cause no matter what

1128
01:04:50,010 --> 01:04:53,490
government agency you are. So
just like after 911 There's

1129
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:56,820
going to be this balance here.
Where they try. Try to be

1130
01:04:56,820 --> 01:04:59,400
vigilant. Try to prevent this.
Okay.

1131
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,220
This gives a little bit of
credence to the Restrict Act,

1132
01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:07,200
also known as patriot 2.0. Just
like after 911, and we had a new

1133
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:12,720
idea, we had to have a balance
there we had ever bans. There

1134
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,450
may be some credence to that I'm
kind of liking that idea now,

1135
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:19,169
where they tried to try to be
vigilant, try to prevent this.

1136
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:21,869
But there still has to be some
kind of legal authority if

1137
01:05:21,869 --> 01:05:24,899
you're looking at a private chat
room. And these documents

1138
01:05:24,899 --> 01:05:28,319
started out on a private chat
room. So there is no easy

1139
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:31,709
solution here. I should also
add, you know, this is kind of

1140
01:05:31,709 --> 01:05:35,819
an unusual situation. This isn't
like previous leaks, at least so

1141
01:05:35,819 --> 01:05:39,839
far, right? You don't have if
you have a whistleblower who

1142
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:42,869
wants to take their information
to a media outlet, for example,

1143
01:05:42,989 --> 01:05:45,179
they want to broadcast it
publicly. So

1144
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,340
yeah, because the media outlets
will immediately broadcast it

1145
01:05:50,340 --> 01:05:55,980
publicly. No, no, that's not
true. That you can't even look

1146
01:05:55,980 --> 01:05:57,510
at it because you have
clearance.

1147
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:00,270
If you have a whistleblower,
they want to take their

1148
01:06:00,270 --> 01:06:03,060
information to a media outlet,
for example, they want to

1149
01:06:03,060 --> 01:06:06,300
broadcast it publicly. So why
would a whistleblower go to a

1150
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:09,390
private chat room? We're really
small group of people see it,

1151
01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:12,120
right? And if you're a spy and
you want to pass it to a foreign

1152
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,670
government, why would you go to
a chat room where you don't or

1153
01:06:14,670 --> 01:06:16,980
everyone in the room, so it's a
very odd case?

1154
01:06:18,750 --> 01:06:22,530
With all that stuff that guy
said is weird. That was really

1155
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:22,710
all

1156
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:25,380
John C Dvorak: bullcrap. It's
all part of the honeypot scheme

1157
01:06:26,460 --> 01:06:29,280
Unknown: Okay, so let's break
this down. How did this work?

1158
01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:32,070
What what what is the what is
happening here? What is the what

1159
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:34,860
do we think is the point what is
the official no agenda stance on

1160
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:35,280
this?

1161
01:06:35,490 --> 01:06:38,160
John C Dvorak: I don't think we
have a unified stance on this

1162
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,520
but I have my thesis which is
that this is a cover your ass

1163
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,390
moment is trying to make up for
all us mainly for you. Mainly

1164
01:06:45,390 --> 01:06:48,990
for Ukraine, mainly for Ukraine
but also the balloon let's throw

1165
01:06:48,990 --> 01:06:51,660
it out whatever else we can
throw in there to you know make

1166
01:06:51,660 --> 01:06:54,870
up for lost time. And and then
let's

1167
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:59,730
Unknown: throw the book at him
burn a few people. Yeah, but

1168
01:06:59,730 --> 01:07:01,560
John C Dvorak: you burn a few
people and you may be burning

1169
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,940
people you want to burn as
possible to you know, the guys

1170
01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:08,580
in Russia perhaps if there is
anybody that could have all been

1171
01:07:08,580 --> 01:07:11,040
done as you listen to this
Bamford guy he also mentioned as

1172
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,920
a possibility exists it was all
just the signals guy that picked

1173
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,480
up all his information. There
was no HUMINT type guys over in

1174
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,860
Russia giving us anything.

1175
01:07:20,819 --> 01:07:25,679
Unknown: So in the so I think it
was the New York Times

1176
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:27,929
photographs of some of the
documents first appeared on

1177
01:07:27,929 --> 01:07:32,249
Discord app channels focus on
the Minecraft computer game,

1178
01:07:32,489 --> 01:07:35,189
which is is that alternate?
Isn't it like 12 year olds?

1179
01:07:36,270 --> 01:07:38,820
John C Dvorak: Is that still a
thing? Yeah, it's

1180
01:07:38,820 --> 01:07:42,300
Unknown: a huge, and followers
of a minor YouTube celebrity

1181
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:46,710
known as wild Mao, according to
Bellingcat, and other online

1182
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:50,700
experts, thanks Bellingcat the
photograph dub so that's your

1183
01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:53,940
that's your injection of the alt
right there Bellingcat. The

1184
01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:56,670
photograph documents then
eventually made their way to the

1185
01:07:56,670 --> 01:08:01,470
image board 4chan, then pro
Russian telegram channels and

1186
01:08:01,470 --> 01:08:05,520
Twitter. The New York Times
first reported on the documents

1187
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:10,350
last week. Former official said
quote watching a public chat

1188
01:08:10,350 --> 01:08:13,860
room is fair game. But law
enforcement agencies don't have

1189
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:17,820
the legal authority to monitor a
private online chat room without

1190
01:08:17,820 --> 01:08:20,640
probable cause. This is calling
for legislation.

1191
01:08:21,150 --> 01:08:23,520
John C Dvorak: Dad, by the way,
is bullcrap. What they just

1192
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,380
said, this reminds me I'm gonna
remind you,

1193
01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:29,220
Unknown: I want you to remind
us, but I just want to say it's

1194
01:08:29,220 --> 01:08:33,390
bullcrap. But they want some
kind of legislation by saying

1195
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:33,840
that

1196
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:36,750
John C Dvorak: and it's gonna be
good. They definitely wouldn't

1197
01:08:36,750 --> 01:08:40,140
give him a course that's
restrict act probably only

1198
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:42,930
restrict that's really bad.
Yeah, so I'm remind I want to

1199
01:08:42,930 --> 01:08:47,250
remind people that in TV dramas,
yeah. And they've been doing

1200
01:08:47,250 --> 01:08:49,500
this and they keep doing it. And
we all should know that is

1201
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,590
bullcrap. Where the guy gets
hold to keep the guy on the

1202
01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:57,420
line, we're putting a trace on
the call. My absolute favorite

1203
01:08:57,420 --> 01:08:58,740
bullcrap bit. That's it?

1204
01:09:02,130 --> 01:09:05,760
Unknown: Oh, it was only 27
songs we couldn't we couldn't

1205
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,470
complete the tricks. Really, you
watch those shows? They still do

1206
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:11,010
in that

1207
01:09:11,460 --> 01:09:14,490
John C Dvorak: they're still
pulling that bull crap because

1208
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,090
in today's world, modern
switches they give you the

1209
01:09:18,090 --> 01:09:19,710
number immediately.

1210
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,190
Unknown: Someone Someone gave
this kid this information

1211
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:30,270
John C Dvorak: suddenly just
says that someone did to goaded

1212
01:09:30,270 --> 01:09:34,890
him with if you're seeing a
picture of him now with his

1213
01:09:34,890 --> 01:09:37,770
little mustache and beard, but
if you've seen his photo,

1214
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,290
Unknown: he looks like a like a
wimpy punk.

1215
01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:44,400
John C Dvorak: He looks like
he's 12 Yeah, yeah. And he looks

1216
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,930
so naive. It's not even funny.
And it's like, no, no, now

1217
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:52,590
something was something's more.
Something's up and there he's

1218
01:09:52,590 --> 01:09:55,350
gonna get off on a technicality
or something. You get

1219
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:56,220
discharged.

1220
01:09:56,490 --> 01:10:00,210
Unknown: No, no, no, throw this
throw the book at this kid. as

1221
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,640
John C Dvorak: well that reminds
me let's listen to some right

1222
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,780
wing talkers in Tampa Florida.
Okay, here's the mike and Mark

1223
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:07,530
show Mike and

1224
01:10:07,530 --> 01:10:09,900
Unknown: Mark show everybody how
you doing in the afternoon

1225
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:13,260
heroes scoundrel or somewhere in
the middle go. Scoundrel. I

1226
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:16,080
mean, he's, he's a criminal and
everybody knows he's a criminal.

1227
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:20,370
He's a 21 year old criminal who,
you know, has put lives in

1228
01:10:20,370 --> 01:10:24,120
jeopardy has embarrassed the
United States. I hope he rots in

1229
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,290
jail. But that's

1230
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:28,590
Wow, these guys I'm telling you
these guys, they can't look at

1231
01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:30,390
the documents. Trust me,

1232
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:35,040
the Tucker Carlson sort of red
meat. Marjorie Taylor Greene

1233
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,820
response and I'm I kind of think
I'm one of them. But not on this

1234
01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:42,750
one. And I'm just wondering,
there's there's a fun I love

1235
01:10:42,750 --> 01:10:46,530
this Patriot virtue signaling
they're doing these two guys

1236
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,450
I've never heard of Mark and
Mike.

1237
01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:51,690
John C Dvorak: Are they be and
Mike Gallagher is fairly famous

1238
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:54,720
as a talk show guy and Mark
Miller, so I can't remember his

1239
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,390
last name, but they do it. This
is like yeah, there's the

1240
01:10:57,390 --> 01:11:02,460
typical local yokels. And in
this case, they're do a combo

1241
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:05,160
show in the morning. I'm sure
it's the morning shows can't be

1242
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,280
afternoon and Morning Show in
Tampa.

1243
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:11,250
Unknown: No, because we have
that other fine product in the

1244
01:11:11,250 --> 01:11:14,220
afternoon. What does it what
used to be Limbaugh What is it

1245
01:11:14,220 --> 01:11:18,630
now? Though? Bungee No, no, no,
no, no, no. The two punch you

1246
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:21,240
know took Limbo is no no, no.
Those two guys took

1247
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,780
John C Dvorak: over. No, no, no.
Yes. Well, at least locally.

1248
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:26,370
Mancino took the spot.

1249
01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:32,700
Unknown: But these guys named
Buck Buck Sexton bucks. A buck

1250
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:37,740
and bucking buck, buck, buck,
buck and duck is ex CIA. One.

1251
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:42,570
Yeah, that's correct. Clay
Travis and Buck and Buck Sexton

1252
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,600
they took they took over the
actual slot

1253
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,030
John C Dvorak: that I think
initially was shows the two

1254
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:49,800
spooks was that right? Am I
right? Or am I wrong?

1255
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,030
Unknown: Two spokes one cup, but
not on this one. And I'm just

1256
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:57,960
wondering, there's there's a
phenomenon called I call it

1257
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,960
contrarian ism. Everybody's
gotta be a contrarian.

1258
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,720
Everybody's gotta go the
opposite way, which is exactly

1259
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,330
what you're doing. Gotta be a
contrarian. Everybody's got to

1260
01:12:06,330 --> 01:12:09,690
go the opposite way. We're so
cynical of the government, and

1261
01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:13,350
we should be by the way we
should be. I don't believe a lot

1262
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:16,860
of what they're telling us. I
don't isn't it is peculiar that

1263
01:12:16,860 --> 01:12:20,370
The New York Times was at this
kid's doorstep before the Feds

1264
01:12:20,370 --> 01:12:24,480
showed up. It is peculiar. They
had news camera crews hovering

1265
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,130
overhead and they managed to tap

1266
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,220
oh, wait a minute, to do my
material here. What is this

1267
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:30,780
STOP, STOP STOP stops

1268
01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:34,110
up overhead and they managed to
tap? Isn't that something they

1269
01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:38,550
the stunning video they captured
the arrest? Wait, so the whole

1270
01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:41,220
it stinks to high heaven?
There's no question about it.

1271
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:45,810
But that doesn't change that we
don't want to leak classified

1272
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,160
information that puts our troops
and our people in harm's way

1273
01:12:50,370 --> 01:12:55,200
to spooks. One honeypot is the
spooks was the name of the show.

1274
01:12:56,610 --> 01:13:00,000
John C Dvorak: That'd be good.
Where's you know so that's what

1275
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,220
you're gonna hear from some of
these guys. You need this

1276
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:11,520
Unknown: got all about whooping
that will be Yeah, we have you

1277
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,550
have this. Member this a place?

1278
01:13:18,510 --> 01:13:19,830
To play that? I gotta play.

1279
01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:24,660
Gotta play that end of show
that's too good. Classified.

1280
01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:28,410
Haven't played that in a long
time. Nut Job. She can do that.

1281
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:31,920
Again. She should pull out that
classified? That when was it?

1282
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,260
When did that happen? Even like,
a long time ago. So yeah, so I

1283
01:13:37,260 --> 01:13:43,590
think we have we have some,
yeah, the Ukraine stuff was

1284
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:48,150
planted. We had to get that out
because it's not going well. And

1285
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:51,630
we need to get some real
information out there. Tony

1286
01:13:51,630 --> 01:13:54,630
Stark, kind of soft pedaling and
talking about it. Ukraine's not

1287
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:58,500
even in the news anymore. No one
cares. It's all China, China and

1288
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:01,860
Trump. And then yeah, I think
you're right, then it's just

1289
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:04,650
like, oh, man, what an
opportunity. Well, let's just

1290
01:14:04,650 --> 01:14:07,530
throw everything out there that
we can and let's burns and

1291
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:10,050
people get burned. I like the
burning of people. That's great.

1292
01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:15,330
That that really that fits well.
And then we have this story,

1293
01:14:15,570 --> 01:14:20,250
which kind of comes in in an odd
way. You know, talking about

1294
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:23,220
restrict act. This is this was a
good this is a great little,

1295
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:25,260
little side story. Yes

1296
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:27,810
tonight Montana late today
becoming the first state in the

1297
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:32,190
US to pass a bill banning Tik
Tok on all personal devices. The

1298
01:14:32,190 --> 01:14:35,010
bill prohibits the popular
social media app from operating

1299
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:38,160
within the state. If signed by
the governor it would take

1300
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,910
effect in January. Tick tock has
suggested it will take legal

1301
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:45,720
action. The Biden administration
has threatened a nationwide ban

1302
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,200
demanding tiktoks Chinese owners
sell the company because of

1303
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,260
concerns China could access
users personal data.

1304
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,960
And in this in this Montana
bill, they even say well, if the

1305
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:03,450
company sells to a US company,
then it be okay. And I'm very

1306
01:15:03,450 --> 01:15:05,370
curious how they want to do
this. So they have to go to

1307
01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:09,870
Apple and Google and they have
to say Apple and Google. You

1308
01:15:09,870 --> 01:15:12,900
cannot have your users in. I
mean, is it people who are

1309
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:15,690
residents in Montana? Or only if
you're in the geographic

1310
01:15:15,690 --> 01:15:21,390
location of met a Montana? How
will you idea and that kind of

1311
01:15:21,390 --> 01:15:24,720
starts by? No, you have no idea,
but let's just think about it. I

1312
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,180
mean, how would that be
enforceable? And that really

1313
01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:30,420
starts off I mean, oh, you know,
this book. We've been this book

1314
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:36,060
in Montana. Amazon, make make
sure no one can download it. And

1315
01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:39,450
can you really? Can you really
enforce that?

1316
01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:43,620
John C Dvorak: I think it's
unenforceable I would I would

1317
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:46,710
agree. A dead letter law right
from the get go. was a dead

1318
01:15:46,710 --> 01:15:51,060
letter law. Ms. A law that's on
the books, but nobody has ever

1319
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:53,940
enforced. There's a lot of tons
of them. There's like kissing

1320
01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:56,640
laws here. And they're in
certain areas from the 1800s.

1321
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,540
And you're on the books you can
kiss in public in some town. But

1322
01:16:00,540 --> 01:16:02,550
no, no. Yeah.

1323
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:04,530
Unknown: That might be in
Fredericksburg. A lot

1324
01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:08,520
John C Dvorak: to check. There's
there's tons of laws against

1325
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,680
Kissing in public that are on
the books.

1326
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:16,770
Unknown: Wow. And we're worried
about LGBTQ when we should look

1327
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:19,020
at some of these laws. Wow.

1328
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:29,340
Just um, tick tock, briefly, I
was reading. I was reading an

1329
01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:34,080
article from the Dutch press.
Oh, that was the Dutch. The

1330
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,700
government press nos. And it's
your tourist season. Actually.

1331
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:41,130
It's a little early but you
know, April, May if you get the

1332
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:43,620
weather is beautiful in
Amsterdam and beautiful in the

1333
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:46,620
Netherlands in general. It's
really it's just it's a small

1334
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:50,340
window. It's like a caramel
tulips crop. Right. Tulips. And

1335
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:50,640
yeah, it's

1336
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,380
John C Dvorak: just dynamite. If
you had been there during that

1337
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:55,050
time of year and the tulips are
everywhere. It's beautiful. I

1338
01:16:55,050 --> 01:16:56,520
rented the Tulip Festival,

1339
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:57,990
Unknown: the floor yada.

1340
01:16:58,980 --> 01:16:59,880
John C Dvorak: I guess Yeah,
that's

1341
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,680
Unknown: what it is floor yada.
So now, there's a phenomenon

1342
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,390
taking place. That people there
will be an hour long wait a

1343
01:17:09,390 --> 01:17:14,370
queue in front of a french fry
stand. Because a went viral on

1344
01:17:14,370 --> 01:17:19,830
Tiktok. And people get in the
line it completely self

1345
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:22,590
perpetuating. It can be of
course, like, hey, I want to get

1346
01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:24,600
some french fries. Where should
we go? Oh, let's look on tick

1347
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,450
tock. As we know, this is
Google's big problem. This is

1348
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:30,840
one of the reason for trying to
get rid of them is because

1349
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,980
Google and and meta platforms.
They're all losing big

1350
01:17:34,980 --> 01:17:37,350
advertising money. We have
nothing but example after

1351
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:40,200
example, of people in the
advertising business or to

1352
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,080
billions departments within
their companies are saying, oh,

1353
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,400
yeah, we're allocating all our
money to tick tock. And so they

1354
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:51,030
they search for it on tick tock,
they see a cool video. And then

1355
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:53,130
Oh, cool. We're gonna go there.
And then they go there. And then

1356
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,650
oh, there's a line. Oh, look at
the line, they tick tock that on

1357
01:17:55,650 --> 01:17:58,650
the line. Right. And they don't
want to leave because there's

1358
01:17:58,650 --> 01:18:01,440
people behind them in line and
you don't want to go home and

1359
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:04,020
people say, Hey, you weren't
Holland, did you go that that

1360
01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:06,930
french fries? Stan? No, you
didn't go to the one on Tiktok.

1361
01:18:06,930 --> 01:18:11,220
We're kind of doofus Are you.
And these people and this is

1362
01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:15,300
without, you know, the French
fries stands don't really have a

1363
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:19,500
lot of marketing department
tradition. And it's creating big

1364
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:23,310
problems is creating problems
for other retailers in the in

1365
01:18:23,310 --> 01:18:25,500
the same neighborhood. These are
the little little streets in

1366
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:30,600
Amsterdam. And it's just an hour
long queue for a french fry. So

1367
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,680
this Tiktok thing of their algo,
which we've discussed, is is

1368
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,660
very, very, very popular and a
big problem for for, for people

1369
01:18:39,660 --> 01:18:44,100
who don't like it. I think it's
great. And by the way, let's

1370
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:46,260
just talk briefly, I don't want
to talk about Dylan Mulvaney.

1371
01:18:46,260 --> 01:18:49,200
But we actually think we should
talk about influencers and

1372
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:54,360
influence campaigns. And this is
exactly what I said this was

1373
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,080
this was no spokes model. This
was not a big you know, the

1374
01:18:58,110 --> 01:19:02,880
dealer Mulvaney is the you know,
we're hiring him as you know to

1375
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,150
be the face of our product. No,
none of that. This is the

1376
01:19:06,150 --> 01:19:09,960
influence of departments which
is very cheap way. And they use

1377
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,230
these influencers. Where's
Mulvaney Mulvaney is on tick

1378
01:19:13,230 --> 01:19:19,110
tock, tick tock, tick tock is is
where all the marketing is

1379
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:23,700
going. And you've got all these.
Remember, when I had to think

1380
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:27,450
new ideas, but I would have the
biggest company Reebok was a

1381
01:19:27,450 --> 01:19:30,870
great example. Reebok, we built
their website planet reebok.com,

1382
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:35,340
also built to Anheuser Busch and
budweiser.com Bud light.com. But

1383
01:19:35,550 --> 01:19:38,670
they were a little more they
didn't say the following, which

1384
01:19:38,670 --> 01:19:42,510
Reebok did. Yeah, we'd like you
to build our website and we'd

1385
01:19:42,510 --> 01:19:45,120
like to have, you know, some
reporting. And we'd like to have

1386
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,790
the human rights now foundation
information in there and you

1387
01:19:47,790 --> 01:19:52,050
know, our sports stars and
Danielle, we have Shaq, so we'd

1388
01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:55,680
like to do a chat with Shaq and
we've, you always get this, we'd

1389
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,070
like you to create a viral video
because they thought you could

1390
01:19:59,070 --> 01:20:02,790
just create a viral Video. And
this was the very sophisticated

1391
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:04,920
marketing department who just
didn't know anything about SEO

1392
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,240
goes on. I'm sure it does. So
now it's like they you know, so

1393
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:15,270
it was not this VP of Marketing,
who created this Mulvaney

1394
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:18,840
campaign? No, it was the
influencer marketing department.

1395
01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:25,860
And I think that this is going
to be a a case study in the

1396
01:20:25,860 --> 01:20:29,940
dangers of of influencer
marketing, and it's going to dry

1397
01:20:29,940 --> 01:20:33,630
up I think big brands are gonna
say, Oh, crap, we saw what

1398
01:20:33,630 --> 01:20:38,910
happened. And we don't want that
to happen to our brand. And it's

1399
01:20:38,910 --> 01:20:42,840
going to come from the top down
because the CEO who, who issued

1400
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:48,510
a statement, which it wasn't an
apology, it was just a statement

1401
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:49,740
like, Hey, man,

1402
01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:52,530
John C Dvorak: was it just?
Well, I understand mount Gox

1403
01:20:52,530 --> 01:20:58,500
whole thing is so fishy. I'm
almost of the opinion that this

1404
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:02,970
has been done on purpose. This
woman and a guy the ex CIA guy

1405
01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:09,180
that was the CEO of a Anheuser
Busch. This guy is great came

1406
01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:11,880
out of military intelligence.
And he went to the CIA, then he

1407
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,930
went to Pepsi. And he has a very
interesting background and good

1408
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,840
you know, he's looks like a male
model. You'll see a few pictures

1409
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,390
of him he's always got that big
smile, you listen, you know, it

1410
01:21:21,390 --> 01:21:23,640
just looks too good. Couldn't
that you don't even know it's

1411
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:30,270
him. And we have to realize that
InBev which is a Bella Belgian

1412
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:34,470
multinational actually is
Brazilian Belgian. Oh, and the

1413
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:40,170
CEO of in Bev is resilient. I
did not know this. And the

1414
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:45,510
Anheuser Busch part of it was a
hostile takeover. Correct, that

1415
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:48,210
the Bush family was not too
happy about

1416
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:51,030
Unknown: they reverse back into
the stock. That's why it's a B

1417
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:52,710
InBev on the on the

1418
01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:55,050
John C Dvorak: dead. But that
was like they still aren't

1419
01:21:55,050 --> 01:21:57,270
happy. They rather run this
thing themselves. The Bush

1420
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:59,370
family is famous for their
they've been doing this for

1421
01:21:59,370 --> 01:22:03,300
1800s. And they'd figure they
can do it better than Woody and

1422
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:06,900
this woman. Well, let me finish
my little tidbits here. This

1423
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:11,280
woman who was the so called VP
of Marketing, if you look up the

1424
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,330
wiki page, you'll find that
she's actually the CO president

1425
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:19,770
with the CIA guy at least for a
while. And then she got

1426
01:22:19,770 --> 01:22:24,750
downgraded this whole thing
stinks to high heaven. I think

1427
01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:28,470
that she's There's pictures of
her that were Joel was suddenly

1428
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:32,040
leaked on The Daily Caller knows
about her being an out and out.

1429
01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:38,790
frat boy drunk sorority chick a
Sally floating around and the

1430
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:43,920
parties. Is that called a Sally?
Sally's. Yeah. It's an old term.

1431
01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:47,910
But yeah, she's, uh, Sally
hanging out with the frat boys

1432
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:51,120
drinking too much with their
friends. You know, whooping it

1433
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:57,450
up. And you know, pre flicker,
the old actual 35 year old which

1434
01:22:57,450 --> 01:23:00,270
means they're real photographs
that somehow they got into the

1435
01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:02,760
color. Oh, couldn't have been
like,

1436
01:23:02,970 --> 01:23:05,310
Unknown: I thought I thought
they were from her Instagram.

1437
01:23:06,150 --> 01:23:08,220
John C Dvorak: I don't know
that. Yeah, well, whatever. They

1438
01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:11,460
whatever the case I don't think
she has I don't think not

1439
01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:12,060
anymore.

1440
01:23:12,090 --> 01:23:15,450
Unknown: No one none of them
have a LinkedIn or in everyone's

1441
01:23:15,450 --> 01:23:20,100
learning from this. I shouldn't
have put my resume on LinkedIn.

1442
01:23:21,660 --> 01:23:23,160
Said the CIA guy.

1443
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:26,730
John C Dvorak: Well, the whole
thing is fishy. And I think it's

1444
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:33,840
I think it may be a scheme to
like hurt a B InBev. If they

1445
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:38,220
can, I don't know that they can
to get debt to make them have to

1446
01:23:38,220 --> 01:23:42,030
start selling off they have so
many properties. People think

1447
01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:42,750
it's this and that.

1448
01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:43,620
Unknown: I know it's a lot.

1449
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,820
John C Dvorak: So boots on the
ground in it's about 1000 beer

1450
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:48,390
companies

1451
01:23:48,420 --> 01:23:53,460
Unknown: boots on the ground.
Insider from HQ A B InBev are

1452
01:23:53,460 --> 01:23:56,250
boots on the ground producer
says it's a crazy place to work

1453
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:59,460
right now. He knows the person
in charge of the influencer

1454
01:23:59,460 --> 01:24:01,980
campaigns. He's pretty sure that
person is going to be fired.

1455
01:24:02,220 --> 01:24:05,520
Alyssa Heiner shot also probably
going to be fired, but she was

1456
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,150
not the one who greenlit this.
It was done to the influencers

1457
01:24:09,150 --> 01:24:14,520
campaign department, and there's
a different VP for that. And

1458
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:19,620
what I hear yes, it is hurting
Anheuser Busch because Anna the

1459
01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:23,040
way the beer business works is
the distributors and the

1460
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:27,900
distributors are seeing the the
the fall back in purchase.

1461
01:24:30,420 --> 01:24:36,150
distributorship of beer is a big
deal to get one and and and the

1462
01:24:36,150 --> 01:24:40,200
distributors kind of they're the
boss. That's a moneymaker. They

1463
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,860
have a lot to say. When it comes
you know Frank Sinatra had a

1464
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,680
it's a distributorship for beer

1465
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:49,110
John C Dvorak: and they're very
exclusive. You don't there's not

1466
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:51,540
like competition because there's
some so mobbed up.

1467
01:24:51,570 --> 01:24:55,170
Unknown: Oh, hello, Sinatra.
Hello.

1468
01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:58,290
John C Dvorak: Yeah, if you've
got Atlanta, you've got Atlanta,

1469
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,250
you own Atlanta.

1470
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:05,730
Unknown: Exactly. Exactly well
that may be but um I don't know

1471
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:13,170
much about the mob it's more
your territory but I have a

1472
01:25:13,170 --> 01:25:17,190
feeling that influencer
marketing is going to end with

1473
01:25:17,190 --> 01:25:20,970
this is going to be dangerous
people is not going to see that

1474
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:25,830
you can't you can't have these
nut jobs running around on

1475
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:30,390
Tiktok promoting your product
because inevitably you have no

1476
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:35,820
control over them. I I'm telling
you this is going to be big and

1477
01:25:35,820 --> 01:25:39,390
it's also going to be a problem
for Silicon Valley because this

1478
01:25:39,390 --> 01:25:45,630
is part of their business is the
influencer marketing without

1479
01:25:45,690 --> 01:25:48,960
without that demand, who wants
to be an influencer if you can't

1480
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,250
make money on it anymore?

1481
01:25:53,670 --> 01:25:58,020
John C Dvorak: We'll see. Okay,
I mean, I think it has I mean,

1482
01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:01,980
you could be totally right but I
think it's just the selection

1483
01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:08,160
process of picking some of these
screw balls like Dylan Mulvaney

1484
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:09,180
who are an embarrassment

1485
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,120
Unknown: Yeah, yeah, it's super
super embarrassment.

1486
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:15,330
Okay, now see

1487
01:26:15,330 --> 01:26:16,200
John C Dvorak: the latest thing

1488
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,710
Unknown: from please let's not
talk about Mulvaney gotta be

1489
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:20,490
something Well, I'm

1490
01:26:20,490 --> 01:26:23,490
John C Dvorak: gonna talk about
me. That's what I meant. What's

1491
01:26:23,490 --> 01:26:25,260
his name? O'Keefe

1492
01:26:25,740 --> 01:26:28,290
Unknown: media. Yeah, exactly.
I'm

1493
01:26:28,290 --> 01:26:32,250
John C Dvorak: tracking her down
to hotel him. Yo track tracking

1494
01:26:32,610 --> 01:26:33,810
it down at the hotel.

1495
01:26:33,839 --> 01:26:36,689
Unknown: Yeah, I didn't even
watch it. So I watched it.

1496
01:26:36,690 --> 01:26:39,030
John C Dvorak: It was like a
typical okay thing. There was no

1497
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:42,570
substance. What's the point?
Just following somebody around

1498
01:26:42,570 --> 01:26:45,030
the microphone is sticking into
their face and tell him to say

1499
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:48,120
somebody's not Not really. I'm
not impressed.

1500
01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:51,180
Unknown: Well, I'm not impressed
by O'Keefe for the same reason.

1501
01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:54,900
It's all dumb. This is all
blowing up in everybody's face.

1502
01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:58,800
No one can we have talked about
O'Keefe seemed like a nice guy.

1503
01:26:58,950 --> 01:27:03,630
But what has he really done for
humanity? She actually named one

1504
01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:09,720
Project Veritas reveal that has
changed anything. One.

1505
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,130
Thank you. You can't

1506
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,450
what is the one thing that
Project Veritas did under

1507
01:27:18,450 --> 01:27:19,140
O'Keeffe's

1508
01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:22,680
John C Dvorak: stewardship? That
a busted acorn

1509
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:27,480
Unknown: that was the one thing
and and what happened Obama

1510
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:29,370
still was president for two
terms

1511
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:34,920
John C Dvorak: it's yeah, it
didn't do any good

1512
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,000
inconsequential.

1513
01:27:38,190 --> 01:27:41,460
Unknown: The sock much more
douchebags. So as predicted

1514
01:27:42,510 --> 01:27:45,720
substack did indeed release a
social network. It's called

1515
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,650
substack notes. I'm sure you've
been invited to it. Know that

1516
01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:53,100
you're part of it. You have the
oasis. You're not You're getting

1517
01:27:53,100 --> 01:27:57,420
blocked by your email server.
Come on. Ooh, maybe? Yeah, must

1518
01:27:57,420 --> 01:28:03,240
be so notes notes. This is what
Elon Musk accused substack of

1519
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:08,580
doing is trying to scrape
Twitter somehow to get accounts

1520
01:28:08,580 --> 01:28:11,160
for their social for their
Twitter clone. It's not exactly

1521
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:15,330
a clone. I'm not sure if it I
mean it feels like Twitter. It

1522
01:28:15,330 --> 01:28:18,570
looks like Twitter to social
network like Twitter. But when

1523
01:28:18,570 --> 01:28:21,690
you follow someone you also get
subscribed to their newsletter

1524
01:28:21,690 --> 01:28:23,580
which is something that I'm not
interested.

1525
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:24,870
John C Dvorak: I don't

1526
01:28:26,220 --> 01:28:27,450
Unknown: really want maybe

1527
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,350
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
it is but I think they they

1528
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:35,430
substack randomly just subscribe
to the various newsletters you

1529
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:39,750
have to quit it's like what am I
reading this guy's sucks he

1530
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:42,510
can't even write so you have to
keep on subscribing and they

1531
01:28:42,510 --> 01:28:43,350
keep doing this

1532
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:44,940
Unknown: to me when you
unsubscribe and they keep

1533
01:28:44,940 --> 01:28:46,050
sending you emails.

1534
01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:48,870
John C Dvorak: Well here's
another thing I've sent you

1535
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:51,240
targeting going to start talking
about this I will miss I did

1536
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:56,070
join a new social network
nostril No, I don't even know

1537
01:28:56,070 --> 01:29:03,960
how to get into nostril this one
is like it's like normally I go

1538
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:10,470
into my with my finger man so
normally I think to some of the

1539
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:14,010
you know the Macedon spin offs
or like Macedon dot social and

1540
01:29:14,010 --> 01:29:18,060
some of those manuals. The worst
the worst sort of people Yes,

1541
01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:20,640
but they're all kind of a lot of
them are brand name war story

1542
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:22,770
people's. Yeah, tribal.

1543
01:29:23,460 --> 01:29:25,770
Unknown: That sounds old. Isn't
tribal, really old?

1544
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,440
John C Dvorak: I don't know but
it's got the worst sort of

1545
01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:33,900
people. Everybody in there is
just a left wing nut job

1546
01:29:33,900 --> 01:29:36,510
although there's not like famous
New Left wing nut jobs when

1547
01:29:36,510 --> 01:29:39,690
everyone's in there there's like
this one guy keeps posting in

1548
01:29:39,690 --> 01:29:42,780
every print every post he has
every LinkedIn wherever it is

1549
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:48,750
always starts with Republicans
are rotten to the core. That's

1550
01:29:48,750 --> 01:29:50,520
every post

1551
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,400
Unknown: tribal man I don't
think tribal

1552
01:29:54,090 --> 01:29:56,070
John C Dvorak: at that but it's
spelled weird.

1553
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,530
Unknown: Was not spelled T ri ba
l you L E L oh then it's

1554
01:30:01,530 --> 01:30:05,370
something I've done is something
I don't know about. Try Bell try

1555
01:30:05,370 --> 01:30:06,330
bell.com

1556
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:10,770
John C Dvorak: Yeah, Dr. ltr
IBEL I don't know that it's old

1557
01:30:10,980 --> 01:30:12,570
says new to me and never heard
of it.

1558
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:19,950
Unknown: Huh no by a tribal with
an A? Uh huh. I don't know what

1559
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:27,870
that other thing got sold. No,
no, no, the one that Kanye was

1560
01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:35,400
grumble now the one that Kanye
was gonna buy. Chatter No, no

1561
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:39,600
this slander how many of these
dumb things on there all you

1562
01:30:39,630 --> 01:30:42,330
want that you only need? You
only need nostril people. That's

1563
01:30:42,330 --> 01:30:45,570
all you need. And you wait,
they're gonna go after that.

1564
01:30:45,930 --> 01:30:48,720
John C Dvorak: You can blow it
out your nose? Or you go haha.

1565
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:56,220
Unknown: No, so so back to
substack. So substack is now it

1566
01:30:56,220 --> 01:31:01,710
is a Twitter clone is a social
network. So now we have to, you

1567
01:31:01,710 --> 01:31:05,370
know, there are rules. Do you
know the rules? If you start a

1568
01:31:05,370 --> 01:31:09,000
social network Jhansi Dvorak,
you know the rules. You know,

1569
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,490
you have to have you have to get
mankind you have to be

1570
01:31:11,490 --> 01:31:14,940
moderation in moderation.
Moderation. Yeah, absolutely.

1571
01:31:14,940 --> 01:31:19,380
Safety, Team safety, safety and
standard. Oh, excuse me before I

1572
01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:24,180
continue. So again, we've got
all these clones of my Twitter,

1573
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:30,360
my Twitter thing popping up of
me, so it's like it'll be

1574
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,760
underscore at underscore add

1575
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:35,880
John C Dvorak: underscore like
for some reason they love

1576
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:36,750
cloning you

1577
01:31:37,230 --> 01:31:42,330
Unknown: well and Well, I think
it's because I I'd be like a

1578
01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:45,600
Bitcoin guy. And so then they'll
what they do is they copy my

1579
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:50,610
profile, they make a whole bunch
of the copy a lot of my posts

1580
01:31:50,610 --> 01:31:55,650
from the past month or so. And
then they start following people

1581
01:31:55,950 --> 01:31:59,940
who follow my my, my pro, my
official profile, and then

1582
01:31:59,940 --> 01:32:05,730
people go out because people are
surprisingly dumb. But oh Adams

1583
01:32:05,730 --> 01:32:08,910
following me knowing fully well
that I'm not going to follow any

1584
01:32:08,940 --> 01:32:12,510
I don't follow many people. They
like a couple 100 Which I've

1585
01:32:12,510 --> 01:32:18,420
subscribed to 15 years or 10
years ago. And then then Adam

1586
01:32:18,420 --> 01:32:22,590
curry the at underscore Adam
curry underscore starts DMing

1587
01:32:22,590 --> 01:32:27,090
them, hey, you know, have this
is a backup account. So I'm just

1588
01:32:27,090 --> 01:32:29,970
following you to make sure that
I've got all my followers and

1589
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,220
via would you like to buy some a
crypto?

1590
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:35,730
John C Dvorak: Oh, I see what
you're up to.

1591
01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:40,170
Unknown: Yeah. So like, it's so
creative. It's so creative. It's

1592
01:32:40,170 --> 01:32:45,210
a confidence game. con game. And
so people start telling me this,

1593
01:32:45,210 --> 01:32:47,700
um, then, you know, and of
course, I'm blocked from these

1594
01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:52,350
accounts. So I report the
account. And it used to be,

1595
01:32:52,830 --> 01:32:55,230
well, they tried it again, like
well, okay, if there's

1596
01:32:55,230 --> 01:32:58,560
impersonating you upload your
government ID and I said, Look,

1597
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,640
I've done this. I'm not going to
keep uploading my government ID

1598
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:09,390
to you. No, this is me. I have
91,000 followers. This is me.

1599
01:33:09,420 --> 01:33:13,320
This is not me. And they're
copying my profile. And now what

1600
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:18,300
you get back is now we've looked
at it this is this isn't no this

1601
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:24,150
is not impersonation. Twitter.
says this is not impersonation.

1602
01:33:24,990 --> 01:33:27,300
John C Dvorak: No wonder you
hate Elon Musk.

1603
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,590
Unknown: No, I don't I don't
really care. It's just

1604
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:35,850
surprising. It's just him
Twitter support impersonation of

1605
01:33:35,850 --> 01:33:40,350
underscore at Adam curry
underscore will read it to you

1606
01:33:40,380 --> 01:33:43,680
we've investigated the reported
account and determined it is not

1607
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,080
in violation of Twitter's
misleading and deceptive

1608
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:50,310
identities policy. What is
totally misleading in order for

1609
01:33:50,310 --> 01:33:52,770
an account to be in violation of
the policy it must portray

1610
01:33:52,770 --> 01:33:56,130
another person or business in a
misleading or deceptive manner.

1611
01:33:57,390 --> 01:33:59,610
For more information, please
make sure to read and understand

1612
01:33:59,610 --> 01:34:02,490
our full policy. We appreciate
your help and encourage you to

1613
01:34:02,490 --> 01:34:05,250
reach out again in the future if
you see potential violations.

1614
01:34:05,370 --> 01:34:07,980
Please note any document you may
have uploaded will be deleted,

1615
01:34:08,250 --> 01:34:11,790
which I did not upload. So

1616
01:34:11,969 --> 01:34:14,699
John C Dvorak: so they didn't
even do this a bot dollars total

1617
01:34:14,699 --> 01:34:19,529
bot. Yeah. So they don't even
have the well they look at the

1618
01:34:19,529 --> 01:34:23,879
numbers show you under 100,000
Oh gives a shit. Hey, this guy's

1619
01:34:23,879 --> 01:34:27,569
bitching and moaning about being
calm. Let me see. He's guessing

1620
01:34:27,569 --> 01:34:31,649
if he had a million Yeah, maybe
but none. I don't know. If we

1621
01:34:31,649 --> 01:34:36,329
don't have time for this
bullcrap. So what? That's what

1622
01:34:36,329 --> 01:34:38,909
they're thinking that's I'm
being in the office so white.

1623
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,520
Unknown: Yeah, well, you know, I
don't have a blue checkmark. So

1624
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,130
I get Yeah, you don't have the
blue checkmark. So

1625
01:34:44,130 --> 01:34:45,780
John C Dvorak: So what Sir
Andrew

1626
01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:48,570
Unknown: Gardner checks in I was
one of those Air Force veterans

1627
01:34:48,570 --> 01:34:51,840
that was rolling my eyes at you
and John thinking a journeyman

1628
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,630
was someone knowledgeable. Here
we go. This is boots on the

1629
01:34:54,630 --> 01:34:58,260
ground in real time. The Air
Force job codes known as Air

1630
01:34:58,260 --> 01:35:01,530
Force Specialty codes have a
skill To level signifier that

1631
01:35:01,530 --> 01:35:08,130
uses 1357, and nine, I do not
believe one is ever actually

1632
01:35:08,130 --> 01:35:11,820
used. Three is someone right out
of their initial technical

1633
01:35:11,820 --> 01:35:15,450
training school. And then after
some test and further learning

1634
01:35:15,570 --> 01:35:19,110
jobs specific determines how
much one gets their five level

1635
01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:22,230
to a journeyman as just someone
who has been on the job for a

1636
01:35:22,230 --> 01:35:25,020
little and completed the minimal
tasks needed.

1637
01:35:25,890 --> 01:35:27,900
John C Dvorak: That may be in
the military. I was explaining

1638
01:35:27,900 --> 01:35:30,180
journeyman in the normal world

1639
01:35:30,210 --> 01:35:33,180
Unknown: that it's not a slam
again, she was explaining this

1640
01:35:33,180 --> 01:35:34,650
kid had no business seeing any

1641
01:35:34,650 --> 01:35:36,270
John C Dvorak: No, they given
what they would that's I think

1642
01:35:36,270 --> 01:35:40,710
we've he doesn't know that would
that's what we said, well, he

1643
01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:43,650
Unknown: rolled his eyes and
Hey, come on. Thank you use what

1644
01:35:43,650 --> 01:35:44,520
you say. Thanks.

1645
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:46,140
John C Dvorak: Just yeah, thanks
for nothing.

1646
01:35:47,460 --> 01:35:50,100
Unknown: So back to substack.
I'm trying to get to this one

1647
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:54,360
clip. So if what you're taking
forever if you're substack, and

1648
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,420
you're starting a social
network, well, you know, you

1649
01:35:57,420 --> 01:36:01,650
have to talk to Nilay Patel from
the verge, and Nilay Patel is

1650
01:36:01,650 --> 01:36:05,220
gonna call you to account. I'm
gonna call you on the mats. Yo

1651
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:11,640
guy. I know. Like Patel was on
the show that Leo railroaded me

1652
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,090
into saying the moon landing was
fake. What did I didn't believe

1653
01:36:15,090 --> 01:36:17,910
in it. I never said it was fake.
I said, I have a hard time

1654
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:21,270
believing it. I have no proof.
It actually happened to me like

1655
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:25,380
Patel was on that show. So I
don't like him. Just disclosure.

1656
01:36:25,410 --> 01:36:27,150
John C Dvorak: Oh, I don't like
him either. I was in the show

1657
01:36:27,150 --> 01:36:29,700
with him over there. And he
called me a racist.

1658
01:36:29,730 --> 01:36:32,430
Unknown: Oh, well, you could be
the CEO of substack. Then

1659
01:36:32,460 --> 01:36:35,130
I just want to be clear, if
somebody shows up on substack

1660
01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:38,100
and says all brown people are
animals, and they shouldn't be

1661
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:40,530
allowed in America. You're gonna
censor that.

1662
01:36:41,010 --> 01:36:44,790
So we do have a terms of service
that that, you know, have nearly

1663
01:36:45,330 --> 01:36:48,510
please note, by the way, the so
called journalists saying,

1664
01:36:48,690 --> 01:36:51,000
You're gonna censor that, aren't
you?

1665
01:36:51,480 --> 01:36:54,390
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I love
journalists are into censorship.

1666
01:36:54,420 --> 01:36:56,670
Unknown: That's right. I just
want to use a lawyer to be

1667
01:36:56,670 --> 01:37:00,270
clear, if somebody shows up on
some stack, and says all brown

1668
01:37:00,270 --> 01:37:02,580
people are animals, and they
shouldn't be allowed in America.

1669
01:37:02,820 --> 01:37:04,170
You're gonna censor that.

1670
01:37:04,650 --> 01:37:08,370
So we do have a terms of service
that, you know, have nearly

1671
01:37:08,370 --> 01:37:12,150
prescribes, you know, things
that are out there, there are

1672
01:37:12,150 --> 01:37:14,430
extreme cases, right. And I'm
not going to get into like the

1673
01:37:14,460 --> 01:37:19,500
way in America 23. That is not
so extreme. Right, we should not

1674
01:37:19,500 --> 01:37:22,560
allow as many brown people in
the country not so extreme. Do

1675
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,120
you allow that on sub stack?
Would you allow them in sub

1676
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:24,630
segments?

1677
01:37:25,290 --> 01:37:28,410
I think like, the way that we
think about this is we want to

1678
01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:31,110
put the writers and the readers
in charge. Now I really want you

1679
01:37:31,110 --> 01:37:34,170
to answer that question. I'm not
going to get into gotcha

1680
01:37:34,230 --> 01:37:35,220
content. Moderation. It's

1681
01:37:35,220 --> 01:37:37,590
not a gotcha. I'm a brown
person. Do you think people in

1682
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:41,070
subsections actually get kicked
out? Yes. Do

1683
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:47,880
you want to say something?
First, I'm a brown person. He's

1684
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,520
Indian, if I'm not mistaken, the
Indian,

1685
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:52,680
John C Dvorak: I believe, well,
he could be Bangladesh. She

1686
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:55,470
could be Pakistani. I'm not
sure.

1687
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:58,290
Unknown: I went to Jamaica. look
him up. I'm a brown person.

1688
01:37:58,470 --> 01:38:01,530
I'm not gonna get into gotcha
content, moderation. It's

1689
01:38:01,530 --> 01:38:03,900
not a gotcha. I'm a brown
person. Do you think people on

1690
01:38:03,900 --> 01:38:05,880
substack should say I should get
kicked out of the country?

1691
01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:08,100
I'm not going to engage in

1692
01:38:08,130 --> 01:38:10,710
John C Dvorak: I'd say, Yes, not
because you're a brown person.

1693
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:13,860
Unknown: Do you think people on
substack should say I should get

1694
01:38:13,860 --> 01:38:15,720
kicked out of the country? I'm
not

1695
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,980
going to engage in content
moderation, would you watch it

1696
01:38:19,980 --> 01:38:21,810
this or that? Questions?

1697
01:38:22,650 --> 01:38:26,610
But it's the thing that you have
to do. Right? I mean, you have

1698
01:38:26,610 --> 01:38:27,900
to make these decisions. So

1699
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:32,160
the way that we think about this
is, yes, there is going to be a

1700
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,950
terms of service, we are going
to have you know, we have

1701
01:38:35,220 --> 01:38:39,660
content policies that are
deliberately tuned to allow lots

1702
01:38:39,660 --> 01:38:43,170
of things that we disagree with
that we've you know, strongly

1703
01:38:43,170 --> 01:38:46,440
disagree with. We think we have
a strong commitment to freedom

1704
01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:49,770
of speech, freedom of the press,
we think these are, you know,

1705
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,740
essential ingredients in a free
society. We think that it would

1706
01:38:52,740 --> 01:38:58,530
be a failure for us to build a
new kind of network that can't

1707
01:38:58,620 --> 01:39:02,910
support those ideals. And we
want to design the network in a

1708
01:39:02,910 --> 01:39:06,390
way where people are in control
of their experience where

1709
01:39:06,390 --> 01:39:07,710
they're able to do that stuff.

1710
01:39:07,740 --> 01:39:10,770
By the way. 30 more seconds.
This guy is a fail.

1711
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:13,980
John C Dvorak: I agree. 100% I
don't

1712
01:39:13,980 --> 01:39:17,070
Unknown: know what he was
thinking. I don't I don't I

1713
01:39:17,070 --> 01:39:19,650
don't know what he was thinking
in general that you can in

1714
01:39:19,650 --> 01:39:22,950
today's climate with
journalists. And you know, the

1715
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:26,310
Twitter was the journalists
owned a journalist journalists

1716
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:27,900
are Babu Bri controlled Twitter.

1717
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,560
John C Dvorak: To tell you this
month, I'm looking at his wiki

1718
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:35,760
page and Neil Nilay me live. If
this guy's not a spook, I don't

1719
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:39,090
know who is Oh, interesting. And
I'll say that because he's one

1720
01:39:39,090 --> 01:39:41,010
of those wiki where there's
nothing on it. There's no

1721
01:39:41,010 --> 01:39:44,280
information whatsoever, just a
bunch of random little things.

1722
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,830
He was one of those what do we
do with this guy? I don't know.

1723
01:39:47,940 --> 01:39:51,210
Unknown: Oh, so but he's so he's
actually vying for a consultant

1724
01:39:51,210 --> 01:39:58,140
ship to help sensor when he gets
the information from government,

1725
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:03,840
okay, all right, but this one
We're Chris Chris guy. He was

1726
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,270
really he bit off more than he
can chew with this thing.

1727
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,940
We're at the very early innings
of that we don't have all the

1728
01:40:08,940 --> 01:40:12,300
answers for how the things work,
we are making a new thing. And

1729
01:40:12,300 --> 01:40:16,020
we are, you know, literally, we
launched this thing one day ago,

1730
01:40:16,050 --> 01:40:19,350
no bad answer. We're gonna have
to figure a lot of this stuff

1731
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:22,080
out. I don't think it's yours to
figure it out.

1732
01:40:22,110 --> 01:40:25,320
You have to figure out should we
allow overt racism on sub

1733
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:26,580
segments to figure that out?

1734
01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:29,490
No, I'm not gonna get into.

1735
01:40:30,030 --> 01:40:32,970
You know, this is a very sad
response to this question right

1736
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,270
here. We are aware that you've
you've blundered into this. You

1737
01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:39,240
should just say no. And I'm
wondering what's keeping you

1738
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,950
from just saying now what a Deke
deke.

1739
01:40:45,450 --> 01:40:48,390
He should do a show podcast with
Kara Swisher, there'll be great

1740
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:48,930
together.

1741
01:40:48,990 --> 01:40:51,690
John C Dvorak: We'll actually if
you look at the wiki page,

1742
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,540
there's a connection between the
two of them because she did a

1743
01:40:54,540 --> 01:40:59,190
special on him, or an article
called Nilay Patel, no longer

1744
01:40:59,190 --> 01:41:02,640
managing editor of The Verge
moves to vox.com Oh, I

1745
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,290
Unknown: thought he was with the
verge. Well, I

1746
01:41:04,290 --> 01:41:05,670
John C Dvorak: think he's back
with the verge. I don't know

1747
01:41:05,670 --> 01:41:09,450
what he is anymore. Now. He's
with. Yeah, he's back with the

1748
01:41:09,450 --> 01:41:15,330
verge. Ben, it's hard to say.
That's the kind of like I said,

1749
01:41:15,330 --> 01:41:18,930
this thing is so vague. This
just Wiki pages is like useless.

1750
01:41:18,930 --> 01:41:19,080
He's

1751
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,180
Unknown: a brown person posing
as a journalist.

1752
01:41:22,830 --> 01:41:25,200
In America. Hmm. Yeah.

1753
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:28,140
John C Dvorak: And he says very
carefully in black, so you can

1754
01:41:28,140 --> 01:41:31,230
click on it. nationality, what
do you think his nationality is?

1755
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:32,730
Unknown: by Indian?

1756
01:41:33,810 --> 01:41:34,680
John C Dvorak: American?

1757
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,740
Unknown: Well, that was my faux
pas. Yes, of course. I'm sure

1758
01:41:37,740 --> 01:41:41,340
he's American. No, it says right
there American. Yeah, that was

1759
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:43,320
that was me being racist. We
don't know

1760
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,840
John C Dvorak: where he is who
his parents are. We don't know

1761
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,930
where he was born. We don't know
anything, which is one of those.

1762
01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:53,730
Those entries that is like
problematic. I use the word

1763
01:41:53,730 --> 01:41:56,610
Unknown: advisedly. I'm going to
talk to my guy. My guy knows my

1764
01:41:56,610 --> 01:42:00,840
guy can get it. I got some
Indian mafia friends. Know,

1765
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,540
they'll know that. Oh, yeah. And
you know, and they hate these

1766
01:42:03,540 --> 01:42:07,950
kinds of posers. They don't like
these guys at all. Its tech guys

1767
01:42:07,950 --> 01:42:13,740
to tech guys. Interesting. Well,
let's, let's just finish up the

1768
01:42:13,740 --> 01:42:19,140
tech bashing. And I just want to
say that John and I, the reason

1769
01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:23,640
why we scoff at these things so
easily is we've been around we

1770
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:28,680
have seen things come and go. We
have seen the hype, the overhype

1771
01:42:29,010 --> 01:42:32,970
the things that just fall apart.
I think we have. I mean, we

1772
01:42:32,970 --> 01:42:36,480
don't always get it right. But
at least we couch it in in

1773
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,720
language like there's no
evidence. But in general, in

1774
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:45,720
general, we we have seen things.
I mean, did you ever think OS

1775
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:49,410
two would work that it would be
a big a big seller? I was hoping

1776
01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:51,480
it was a book. I liked it too.

1777
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:53,460
John C Dvorak: But did you
really it was a good product.

1778
01:42:53,460 --> 01:42:53,580
But

1779
01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:57,030
Unknown: did you really think it
would work? Well, IBM was a

1780
01:42:57,030 --> 01:43:00,990
bunch of of exactly. We know how
operates.

1781
01:43:01,290 --> 01:43:06,420
John C Dvorak: IBM was not up to
it. No, no. And then they had

1782
01:43:06,420 --> 01:43:09,510
that moment at one of the big
shows one of the big trade shows

1783
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:13,890
it they came out with a version
of OS two that was uncrushable

1784
01:43:14,370 --> 01:43:18,000
be crap was that warp OS two
warp. It may have been more I

1785
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,000
love and a bomb Rex Rex.

1786
01:43:21,030 --> 01:43:22,380
Unknown: I've got a program in
Rex.

1787
01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:25,590
John C Dvorak: Rex is actually
pretty good. Yes, it was a nice

1788
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:28,110
little scripting language. It
was like a lot better than

1789
01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:34,470
batch. So we're AppleScript so
Steve Ballmer came in with a

1790
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:39,210
with a disk with a floppy disk
with some code on it. And he

1791
01:43:39,210 --> 01:43:42,180
went into the IBM booth. He says
this thing won't crash and he

1792
01:43:42,180 --> 01:43:44,550
says let's see what the what it
does with this disk. He sticks a

1793
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:49,080
disk and it crashes with a bunch
of people around him so they can

1794
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,450
Unknown: all write about write
it up. Oh, it was journalists

1795
01:43:51,450 --> 01:43:52,620
around. Yeah,

1796
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:54,420
John C Dvorak: I think I think
it would he made a big fuss

1797
01:43:54,420 --> 01:43:57,360
about it. Yeah, it was kind of
the idea Why won't crash we'll

1798
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:03,630
look at just crash you guys
suck. It's funny because I the

1799
01:44:03,630 --> 01:44:08,070
original OS two was partnered
with Microsoft. And they were

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01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:12,960
partnership for OS two and I
have a little I still have a

1801
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:18,720
little pin. The lapel pin that
says Microsoft Oh is to wow.

1802
01:44:18,930 --> 01:44:22,920
Another collector's item yet
it's gonna go on the Etsy site

1803
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:24,600
for sale. How was that

1804
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,400
Unknown: doing? You? Uh, do you
still have stuff on your Etsy

1805
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:27,480
site for sale? Well, we're

1806
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:30,000
John C Dvorak: trying to
reincorporate new stuff. Oh,

1807
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:30,840
Jay. Okay, you

1808
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:31,950
Unknown: making J work? Okay.

1809
01:44:31,980 --> 01:44:34,890
John C Dvorak: Do I Yeah. And
she's like, Oh, I hate the SEC.

1810
01:44:36,150 --> 01:44:40,560
Unknown: Alright, now let's talk
about AI because another day,

1811
01:44:40,590 --> 01:44:45,690
another 20 stories about how AI
is going to kill us all. And I'm

1812
01:44:45,690 --> 01:44:51,900
a little tired of it. To be
honest. By the way, just to

1813
01:44:51,900 --> 01:44:55,620
reiterate, there's no business
model for AI. No one wants to

1814
01:44:55,620 --> 01:45:01,650
pay for it. It uses more energy
than Bitcoin. Yeah, and water by

1815
01:45:01,650 --> 01:45:05,940
the way Mollywood wrote about
this chat GBT is consuming a

1816
01:45:05,940 --> 01:45:12,750
staggering amount of water. I
guess it gets to cool stuff. But

1817
01:45:12,780 --> 01:45:18,750
chat GPT you really use a lot of
energy and a lot of GPUs and

1818
01:45:18,810 --> 01:45:26,010
yeah and if watch for what? So,
Deutsche Avella, they had a

1819
01:45:26,010 --> 01:45:34,830
long, tedious interview with an
MIT professor Max Tegmark, Max

1820
01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:39,660
Tegmark, and um, this guy was
all jacked and Jedi because all

1821
01:45:39,660 --> 01:45:45,270
you hear anyone who's in the AI
space, I think base Yes, I think

1822
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:48,690
is really there. I mean, how
many times have we seen this

1823
01:45:48,690 --> 01:45:53,880
type of hype? You know what I
mean? But oh, this is it. Oh,

1824
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,990
this is this almost like we've
seen the pod video, podcast,

1825
01:45:57,990 --> 01:46:01,590
video podcast video podcast. Now
we've been through this cycle.

1826
01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:07,890
It podcasters will be audio
podcasters. Video podcasters is

1827
01:46:07,890 --> 01:46:11,040
on YouTube. This is YouTube
shows or rumble or whatever is

1828
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:15,720
not the same thing. Rumble. Will
you agree with me? We've seen

1829
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:16,680
these cycles.

1830
01:46:17,310 --> 01:46:20,790
John C Dvorak: Oh, 10 times over
back social

1831
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:22,890
Unknown: networks. I think we're
kind of done. Now. You know,

1832
01:46:22,890 --> 01:46:23,400
Facebook

1833
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:26,130
John C Dvorak: blogs, remember
the blog phenomenon? Blogs? Oh,

1834
01:46:26,130 --> 01:46:28,500
everyone had to have a blog. It
was going to free the inner

1835
01:46:28,500 --> 01:46:31,080
everyone's going to have their
own blog. We'd have citizen

1836
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:32,010
journalists.

1837
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,120
Unknown: Yeah, remember that
citizen journalist. But also,

1838
01:46:36,510 --> 01:46:41,490
like I've said, for the past 10
years that Facebook can also go

1839
01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:47,160
away. Facebook can fall out of
favor. And to a degree it has me

1840
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,530
fell out of favor. The
Instagram, they bought

1841
01:46:49,530 --> 01:46:52,890
Instagram, and Instagram fell
out of favor for tick tock. This

1842
01:46:52,890 --> 01:46:57,750
is the cycle of life in
technology. Companies don't like

1843
01:46:57,750 --> 01:47:01,320
to go. So anyway. Now we have
this new thing, which let's be

1844
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:07,020
honest. It popped up the end. It
was like a fluke because someone

1845
01:47:07,020 --> 01:47:11,520
started using chat GPT which
chat GPT and then everybody had

1846
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:15,240
to have chat GPT because they
know Oh, this is the hot new

1847
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:20,280
thing, as witnessed by Google
who are pretty careful with how

1848
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,860
they roll products, how they
roll out products, they have a

1849
01:47:22,890 --> 01:47:27,660
bad track record, but they were
even open about how flimsy this

1850
01:47:27,660 --> 01:47:31,050
really was. And they come up
with barf. And then the thing

1851
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:34,800
you know, screws up so bad, they
lose 100 billion in market cap

1852
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,290
on the first day. Can people
like oh crap, Google can't

1853
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:40,830
figure this out. So now they're
throwing all kinds of money at

1854
01:47:40,830 --> 01:47:44,010
it. They're rejiggering their
finances to make sure they can

1855
01:47:44,010 --> 01:47:48,180
throw the money at it without a
business model. So long lead in

1856
01:47:48,330 --> 01:47:53,370
this. Do this douche booze
interviewing the MIT douche abou

1857
01:47:53,370 --> 01:47:54,630
chat gpj

1858
01:47:54,690 --> 01:47:58,350
This is not science fiction.
Intelligence is not something

1859
01:47:58,350 --> 01:47:58,740
miss this.

1860
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:03,600
This by the way. It's a style
peace. This is the MIT professor

1861
01:48:03,810 --> 01:48:05,190
Max Tegmark.

1862
01:48:05,250 --> 01:48:08,910
This is not science fiction.
Intelligence is not something

1863
01:48:08,910 --> 01:48:13,260
mysterious that can only exist
in human brains. It's something

1864
01:48:13,260 --> 01:48:17,970
we can also build. We're
basically building these alien

1865
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:21,540
minds that are much smarter than
us. Who we're gonna have to

1866
01:48:21,540 --> 01:48:24,780
share the planet with. Right and
the pessimism is basically

1867
01:48:24,780 --> 01:48:28,440
everybody who's driving the race
towards this cliff is in denial

1868
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:32,580
about there even being a cliff
but they can't stop. No company

1869
01:48:32,700 --> 01:48:36,810
can pause alone, because they're
just gonna have a lunch, their

1870
01:48:36,810 --> 01:48:39,810
lunch eaten by the competition
and get killed by the shareable

1871
01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:43,740
lunch. Otherwise, there might
simply not be any humans on the

1872
01:48:43,740 --> 01:48:47,160
planet at all. This is not an
arms race. It's a suicide race.

1873
01:48:48,810 --> 01:48:51,720
Billions of dollars are pouring
into artificial intelligence.

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01:48:52,110 --> 01:48:55,020
But our private companies
putting the world in danger in a

1875
01:48:55,020 --> 01:48:58,200
race to create better even so
called godlike artificial

1876
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,770
intelligence. My guest today is
Max Tegmark. He's a Swedish

1877
01:49:01,770 --> 01:49:04,740
American physicist, cosmologist
and machine learning researcher.

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01:49:05,070 --> 01:49:07,170
He's a professor at the
Massachusetts Institute of

1879
01:49:07,170 --> 01:49:09,990
Technology and the scientific
director of the foundational

1880
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:13,110
questions Institute. Max,
welcome to the show. I want to

1881
01:49:13,380 --> 01:49:15,930
begin with a general question
before we really launch into

1882
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,440
specifics. And I'd ask you to be
as brief as possible with your

1883
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:22,440
answer as much as you can. And
that question is are a handful

1884
01:49:22,440 --> 01:49:27,840
of companies leading us down a
dangerous path? Yes.

1885
01:49:31,980 --> 01:49:33,000
John C Dvorak: That was the
punch line.

1886
01:49:33,059 --> 01:49:35,159
Unknown: That was his punch line
and that he literally stopped

1887
01:49:35,159 --> 01:49:37,559
because, of course, as I said,
the interview was long and

1888
01:49:37,559 --> 01:49:38,039
tedious.

1889
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:40,170
John C Dvorak: And they don't
want to hear the interview then,

1890
01:49:40,290 --> 01:49:43,710
but I have one other point. He
said yes. But he said it with a

1891
01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:44,820
thick accent

1892
01:49:44,849 --> 01:49:47,699
Unknown: because he's a Swedish.
Swedish American.

1893
01:49:47,730 --> 01:49:49,110
John C Dvorak: Yes.

1894
01:49:49,140 --> 01:49:51,030
Unknown: But you heard him in
the beginning. That's him

1895
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:55,380
saying, We intelligence is not
just for human beings. I just

1896
01:49:55,380 --> 01:49:57,720
like to when you talk about
artificial, it's fake,

1897
01:49:58,110 --> 01:50:03,510
artificial meat, art. Official
Nether artificial, give me some

1898
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:06,900
other artificials in our life,
everyone understands artificial

1899
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:09,900
is not real. It's not the real
thing. There is no intelligent

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01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:11,310
John C Dvorak: official breasts.

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01:50:11,550 --> 01:50:14,490
Unknown: Thank you artificial.
That's not a great example

1902
01:50:14,490 --> 01:50:15,120
because that

1903
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:19,500
John C Dvorak: I knew that stop.
That's not a great example.

1904
01:50:21,090 --> 01:50:25,440
Unknown: So, but now he's going
to tell us why we're all gonna

1905
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:30,510
die. It's a suicide race, the
billions of dollars are being

1906
01:50:30,510 --> 01:50:32,640
poured into it because that's
really what this is about. No

1907
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:36,180
one can stop. Everybody has to
participate, even though they

1908
01:50:36,180 --> 01:50:41,340
are raising money with the
suicide race thing. And now

1909
01:50:41,340 --> 01:50:45,570
listen to how he justifies and
tells us what we actually have

1910
01:50:45,570 --> 01:50:46,980
achieved today.

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01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:50,100
How much of a breakthrough? Are
these new generative AI models?

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01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:51,150
Like chat, GBT?

1913
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,170
It's what looks like a
breakthrough in the media is

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01:50:55,170 --> 01:50:59,580
really quite steady progress on
work on AI. It's been happening

1915
01:50:59,580 --> 01:51:03,750
for a long time. You know, in
the 60s, the term artificial

1916
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:09,240
intelligence was coined by an
MIT professor. And for a long

1917
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:11,580
time, and the people be like,
Man, this is much harder than we

1918
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:17,040
thought. And gradually, the list
of things, though, that humans

1919
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,890
can do, the machines cannot do
is cut and shorter and shorter.

1920
01:51:20,280 --> 01:51:24,030
And one of the holy grails Alan
Turing, famously called the

1921
01:51:24,030 --> 01:51:28,170
Turing test is being able to
talk like a human really master

1922
01:51:28,170 --> 01:51:32,730
language. And that's no
breakthrough. We've seen now

1923
01:51:33,180 --> 01:51:36,690
manifested and rung up before
and tools like this.

1924
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:39,840
Thank you. I was, I was hoping
that you would say that is not

1925
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:44,760
what the Turing test is, before
you say anything, he works at

1926
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:50,100
the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, he is a professor in

1927
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:51,240
this field.

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01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:54,750
John C Dvorak: He said that the
Turing test was that machine

1929
01:51:54,750 --> 01:52:01,410
that could talk, you know, like,
computer, computer working,

1930
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:05,820
working, I mean, that's, you
know, the Turing test is the

1931
01:52:05,820 --> 01:52:09,600
point where you would have a
exchange with a computer that

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01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,630
you wouldn't be able to tell if
it was a computer or a person.

1933
01:52:13,710 --> 01:52:18,270
So I go into a chat room, and I
started a chat by typing the

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01:52:18,270 --> 01:52:21,240
Turing test was not involved
with talking by when you could

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01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:25,620
be the same could be talking,
and you will be chatting with it

1936
01:52:25,620 --> 01:52:30,240
in one way or another. And you
would not be able to tell Yeah,

1937
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,090
under any circumstances, as a
machine, that's

1938
01:52:33,090 --> 01:52:36,540
Unknown: the answer that is a
Turing test, the Turing test is

1939
01:52:36,540 --> 01:52:36,780
not

1940
01:52:36,780 --> 01:52:40,380
John C Dvorak: just a machine
talking, working, working.

1941
01:52:40,890 --> 01:52:42,630
Unknown: Let's, let's just
listen again, to what you said

1942
01:52:42,630 --> 01:52:42,990
here,

1943
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,990
for a long time, and that people
realize, man, this is much

1944
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:50,250
harder than we thought. And
gradually, the list of things,

1945
01:52:50,250 --> 01:52:53,940
though, that humans can do the
machines cannot do is cut in

1946
01:52:53,940 --> 01:52:58,110
shorter and shorter. And one of
the holy grails Alan Turing,

1947
01:52:58,110 --> 01:53:01,530
famously called the Turing test
is being able to talk like a

1948
01:53:01,530 --> 01:53:05,580
human really master language.
And that's the big breakthrough

1949
01:53:05,610 --> 01:53:07,200
we've seen. So he's

1950
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:10,680
saying that the big forget the
Turing Test definition, he says,

1951
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,820
the big breakthrough is that it
can talk like a human being, I'm

1952
01:53:14,850 --> 01:53:17,250
not convinced that this has been
achieved.

1953
01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:21,960
John C Dvorak: Oh, I'm with you
on that. I mean, I don't know

1954
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,210
how many people aren't
convinced. I'm not it's not even

1955
01:53:24,210 --> 01:53:24,720
close.

1956
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:28,890
Unknown: I mean, I see big
flowery sentences and just going

1957
01:53:28,890 --> 01:53:32,280
on and on anyone who talks like
that and be like, I don't like I

1958
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:37,470
don't want to talk to you, you
know, you're not normal. Then,

1959
01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:42,120
but for some reason, and and
also, Geek isn't just talking

1960
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,550
like a human being or do you
also have to make sense and be

1961
01:53:44,550 --> 01:53:48,120
somewhat correct it? Would that
be a part of the of the Turing

1962
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:48,690
test?

1963
01:53:49,260 --> 01:53:51,780
John C Dvorak: Or just be able
to fool the Turing test? Going

1964
01:53:51,780 --> 01:53:53,670
back to the real Turing test?
That means you can't tell if

1965
01:53:53,670 --> 01:53:56,790
it's a person who's right. I
mean, if you're, if you could

1966
01:53:57,030 --> 01:54:00,420
pretty suppose that the, that
the person you're talking to is

1967
01:54:00,420 --> 01:54:05,010
a moron, I suppose the Turing
test would be a lot more liberal

1968
01:54:05,010 --> 01:54:06,660
in the way you interpret it.

1969
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,930
Unknown: Can the Turing Test
speak multiple languages like I

1970
01:54:09,930 --> 01:54:10,320
can,

1971
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,490
John C Dvorak: as well, that was
never included in detail, but

1972
01:54:14,490 --> 01:54:14,730
I'm

1973
01:54:14,730 --> 01:54:17,610
Unknown: just I'm just curious,
does it? Does the Turing test

1974
01:54:17,610 --> 01:54:20,490
have to work in all languages?
So it would be Java? I

1975
01:54:20,490 --> 01:54:21,570
John C Dvorak: think, so. I
don't

1976
01:54:21,570 --> 01:54:25,230
Unknown: think it can do any
other languages. yet? No,

1977
01:54:25,230 --> 01:54:28,710
seriously, think about it. The
internet is predominant enough

1978
01:54:28,710 --> 01:54:31,050
John C Dvorak: trouble
translating, you know, when you

1979
01:54:31,050 --> 01:54:34,140
go to a French translation
through Google or one of these

1980
01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:37,980
guys. So when you say I'm gonna
buy some Chateau le feet, they

1981
01:54:37,980 --> 01:54:44,670
changed it to Castle. Castle,
you want to buy some castle of

1982
01:54:44,670 --> 01:54:50,070
feet, Castle of foot. So it's
like, whoa, this isn't what did

1983
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:53,970
this even in? We call it Chateau
le feet because that's what it

1984
01:54:53,970 --> 01:54:57,330
is. It's not castle of feet,
because that's the translation

1985
01:54:57,330 --> 01:55:02,580
of the word chateau. So I mean,
you don't even know that much.

1986
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:07,230
Unknown: Right? So is this just
a continuous? You're complaining

1987
01:55:07,230 --> 01:55:11,070
please? Well, I'm gonna ask you
a question. Would you do you

1988
01:55:11,070 --> 01:55:13,980
think that this is really just a
Hail Mary and that the

1989
01:55:13,980 --> 01:55:18,660
technology business is in deep
trouble a Silicon Valley Bank

1990
01:55:18,810 --> 01:55:24,150
ruined all of the all of the the
money went away or the scam of

1991
01:55:25,230 --> 01:55:28,530
the venture capital scam, which
now we understand how that

1992
01:55:28,530 --> 01:55:29,160
works.

1993
01:55:29,220 --> 01:55:31,800
John C Dvorak: What's the cycle?
The venture capitalist scam is a

1994
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:32,490
cycle

1995
01:55:32,519 --> 01:55:36,269
Unknown: but the scam of
creating money by by making

1996
01:55:36,269 --> 01:55:39,269
everybody put their money in the
same bank. So banks basically

1997
01:55:39,269 --> 01:55:41,549
the bank had three times the
billion dollars.

1998
01:55:41,610 --> 01:55:43,590
John C Dvorak: So that was you
know, that was, I think that's

1999
01:55:43,590 --> 01:55:44,760
fairly recent. pretty

2000
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:46,770
Unknown: new. That's a pretty
that's a good one. But that was

2001
01:55:46,770 --> 01:55:53,010
pretty new. But they need to
have something and

2002
01:55:53,429 --> 01:55:55,409
John C Dvorak: they need to,
right they always need to have

2003
01:55:55,409 --> 01:55:58,469
some gimmicky thing that gets a
lot of attention. This happened

2004
01:55:58,469 --> 01:56:01,259
in the 80s with the artificial
intelligence bullshit happened

2005
01:56:01,259 --> 01:56:03,419
to be a fourth generation
computer.

2006
01:56:03,450 --> 01:56:06,060
Unknown: We had podcasts pocket
Well, hot, hot, hot pockets, and

2007
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:08,820
it was juiced. Oh, you gotta be
like juice.

2008
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:11,460
John C Dvorak: Juice, you keep
bringing juice

2009
01:56:11,460 --> 01:56:14,280
Unknown: back up irritates me,
it was like juiced and then you

2010
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:16,440
have to just Skype, we have to
everyone's gonna be Skype, you

2011
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:20,250
gotta be Oh, it's gonna be IP,
IP wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe,

2012
01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,560
wipe. What are the ones that we
have? What are the great

2013
01:56:22,620 --> 01:56:25,680
John C Dvorak: SIP saps but
more,

2014
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,290
Unknown: more general, more
general then we had social

2015
01:56:28,290 --> 01:56:34,530
media. But I think blogging, or
blogging differs a little bit.

2016
01:56:34,620 --> 01:56:37,620
Blogging was more an acquisition
target. It wasn't really

2017
01:56:37,620 --> 01:56:40,680
something that people that VC
put their money in. Oh, well,

2018
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:46,230
one of the big ones right now is
personal drones that you fly,

2019
01:56:46,260 --> 01:56:50,580
you know, the like the Jetson
one, and all these, all these

2020
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:54,990
these nutty? New flying
contraptions? Oh, yes. We're

2021
01:56:54,990 --> 01:56:59,880
going to have air taxis air
taxis everywhere. There must be

2022
01:56:59,880 --> 01:57:01,710
100 100 Well,

2023
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:05,880
John C Dvorak: that is that's
another cycle that goes way

2024
01:57:05,880 --> 01:57:09,030
back. Yeah. Flying Machines.
Yeah, I think goes back to the

2025
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:12,390
back to the 70s The first time I
ran into some guy in Sacramento

2026
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:17,220
had this flying machine this
flying car. Yeah. And he go out

2027
01:57:17,220 --> 01:57:19,740
of you know, nothing would
happen. He gets some money then

2028
01:57:19,770 --> 01:57:21,780
20 years later there it was.
Again, same guy

2029
01:57:21,810 --> 01:57:24,210
Unknown: as we talked about in
the last show segway the Segway

2030
01:57:24,210 --> 01:57:26,070
was was one of those things Oh,

2031
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:29,820
John C Dvorak: yes. Always gonna
change the way we design cities.

2032
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:35,100
Unknown: And they have to create
their own hype. And they've done

2033
01:57:35,100 --> 01:57:41,970
it they've done it to a crazy
degree that chat GPT crazy

2034
01:57:41,970 --> 01:57:44,550
degree, and then you know, and I
think there's no more there's no

2035
01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:48,570
more exits in in green green
stuff

2036
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:51,630
in there trying the green stuff
was always a disaster. Yeah,

2037
01:57:51,690 --> 01:57:54,750
I remember that. Kleiner Perkins
tried to do their green tech and

2038
01:57:54,780 --> 01:57:56,670
they lost all I think
everything.

2039
01:57:56,730 --> 01:57:58,740
John C Dvorak: They I don't know
that they had a Green Fund that

2040
01:57:58,740 --> 01:58:01,350
made a nickel. No, I don't think
they had one. But I don't think

2041
01:58:01,350 --> 01:58:02,340
it made a nickel right. I

2042
01:58:02,340 --> 01:58:04,380
Unknown: think they had more
than one. They couldn't even do

2043
01:58:04,380 --> 01:58:09,570
the the electric car right. They
did the thing that kept catching

2044
01:58:09,570 --> 01:58:10,140
fire.

2045
01:58:11,610 --> 01:58:13,350
John C Dvorak: Was that could be
any car.

2046
01:58:14,250 --> 01:58:16,470
Unknown: No, but they were
early. They were early on the

2047
01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:20,910
burning up stuff. It was there
was that really expensive one

2048
01:58:20,910 --> 01:58:25,650
the Husker Fisker Thank you
Fisker. Yeah. And then they

2049
01:58:25,650 --> 01:58:28,020
tried the scooters. That was
gonna be another one. They all

2050
01:58:28,020 --> 01:58:29,220
invested in scooters,

2051
01:58:29,550 --> 01:58:32,880
John C Dvorak: and all they had
to Kleiner Perkins offices. They

2052
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:37,050
all had a Segway in their
offices on a charger.

2053
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:42,750
Unknown: Yeah, of course, I do
it all riding around. And then

2054
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:46,380
what else? I mean, there was
DVRs that was another one with

2055
01:58:46,740 --> 01:58:49,380
the one hit the TiVo, TiVo,
TiVo.

2056
01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:52,860
John C Dvorak: But it was, I
think, cleaner. It was into

2057
01:58:52,860 --> 01:58:58,860
replay TV. Right? Yeah, they got
nervous replay TV and attend the

2058
01:58:58,860 --> 01:59:02,340
replay TV guy. It's kind of
interesting. I had lunch with

2059
01:59:02,340 --> 01:59:08,820
him once after he started roku.
And he's a Roku guy. And he Oh,

2060
01:59:08,820 --> 01:59:11,310
okay. Something of a genius.
He's the one who really invented

2061
01:59:11,310 --> 01:59:15,900
the idea and I think he felt he
was stiffed on the replay TV

2062
01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:18,210
because TiVo got all the
attention and they ended up

2063
01:59:18,210 --> 01:59:21,300
being the big moneymaker and
replay TV just disappeared and

2064
01:59:21,300 --> 01:59:24,630
he went off because I brought
something up to him and he was

2065
01:59:24,660 --> 01:59:29,340
he got mad turned from a nice
lunch to like it took about 10

2066
01:59:29,340 --> 01:59:31,110
minutes for him to calm down.
John Have you

2067
01:59:31,110 --> 01:59:33,360
Unknown: ever noticed this is
kind of what you do with people

2068
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:37,110
it's just kind of what you do.
Just say and with that I'd like

2069
01:59:37,110 --> 01:59:40,680
to thank you for your courage in
the morning to them to you the

2070
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:44,970
man who put the sea in the bowl
craps is a chat GPT ladies and

2071
01:59:44,970 --> 01:59:48,210
gentlemen, please say hello to
my friend on the other end Mr.

2072
01:59:48,210 --> 01:59:49,110
John Cena

2073
01:59:53,550 --> 01:59:55,500
John C Dvorak: in the morning
you Mr. Adam curry also in the

2074
01:59:55,500 --> 01:59:58,110
morning all ships and sea boots
on the ground feet near subs in

2075
01:59:58,110 --> 01:59:59,970
the water and all the games and
nights out there.

2076
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,040
Unknown: As in the morning to
the trolls and the troll room

2077
02:00:02,040 --> 02:00:07,890
who have been somewhat helpful
today. scurrying away. That's

2078
02:00:07,890 --> 02:00:11,880
what I thought 2309 I think
that's good for for a Sunday.

2079
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:16,140
It's good. It's 100 Over 100
Over 100 Over, and the only one

2080
02:00:16,140 --> 02:00:20,010
donation segment today, it will
be somewhat was was short,

2081
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:26,700
weird. Anyway, that's fine. It's
value for value. Trolls absorb

2082
02:00:26,700 --> 02:00:30,300
everyone's sitting in their rut
scurrying away running away. You

2083
02:00:30,300 --> 02:00:33,030
get the show for free. There's
no charge. There's not behind a

2084
02:00:33,030 --> 02:00:35,910
paywall. We don't, you have to
sit through advertisements,

2085
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:38,820
which means we don't have to
have any type of meetings with

2086
02:00:38,820 --> 02:00:41,370
advertisers, which is good,
which also means if we talk

2087
02:00:41,370 --> 02:00:45,180
about a product because we like
it, we actually like it. If we

2088
02:00:45,180 --> 02:00:47,520
don't, and we don't like it, or
we don't talk about it because

2089
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:54,060
we don't care. There's no
subscription, no Patreon No, if

2090
02:00:54,060 --> 02:00:58,020
you get value from this podcast,
send it back. timed out.

2091
02:00:58,230 --> 02:01:00,840
John C Dvorak: We don't do
special episodes for this

2092
02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:04,500
Unknown: free premium content
premium content.

2093
02:01:05,370 --> 02:01:08,160
Free we I love for you. So what
you're listening to

2094
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:11,730
John C Dvorak: now is the worst
idea ever subpar.

2095
02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:14,550
Unknown: Now, but you can have
premium content, that's really

2096
02:01:14,550 --> 02:01:19,530
what you want. And that's where
it's going. The trolls, they

2097
02:01:19,530 --> 02:01:22,230
hang out at troll room.io where
you can listen to the show live

2098
02:01:22,230 --> 02:01:26,100
on Thursdays and Sundays. That's
the no agenda stream, which runs

2099
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:30,030
24 hours a day. And there's
always a podcast being done

2100
02:01:30,030 --> 02:01:32,880
live. Oh, that's always a pod.
It's the best podcast network in

2101
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,940
the universe. Again, no
commercials or anything like

2102
02:01:35,940 --> 02:01:39,570
that. You can log into the chat
room you can you can if it's a

2103
02:01:39,570 --> 02:01:42,990
live show, you can boost along
do all kinds of fun stuff. You

2104
02:01:42,990 --> 02:01:46,950
can also get this in a podcast
app we have we have redesigned

2105
02:01:47,220 --> 02:01:52,410
podcasting with with 30 new
features. But the one that we

2106
02:01:52,410 --> 02:01:54,300
love the most because we've been
doing these live shows for

2107
02:01:54,300 --> 02:01:58,950
almost 15 years is you get
podcast attic, podcast, Guru,

2108
02:01:59,190 --> 02:02:02,820
pod verse or curio caster. And
right where you get your

2109
02:02:02,820 --> 02:02:05,460
podcast, you can import it from
your legacy podcast app and

2110
02:02:05,460 --> 02:02:09,420
works with all other old
podcasts. When we go live, it's

2111
02:02:09,420 --> 02:02:12,330
right there in the same app
don't have to be struggling with

2112
02:02:12,330 --> 02:02:15,180
a webpage. You use it right in
the app, you got the chat room,

2113
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:20,010
you got the stream all live. And
that's one way you can you can

2114
02:02:20,010 --> 02:02:23,580
hang out with us. You can also
follow Adam at no agenda

2115
02:02:23,580 --> 02:02:27,300
social.com We have a mastodon,
we should probably get a tribal

2116
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:30,420
account, just to be with all the
hip kids. And I actually

2117
02:02:30,420 --> 02:02:33,000
John C Dvorak: had to travel
account I open is no agenda

2118
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:33,360
show.

2119
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,830
Unknown: No, very good. And do
you have a discord? Because, you

2120
02:02:37,830 --> 02:02:39,930
know, that's where all the 20
Somethings hang out?

2121
02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:41,580
John C Dvorak: And not yet.
Okay.

2122
02:02:42,660 --> 02:02:46,260
Unknown: And it's Jhansi Dvorak
at no agenda. social.com that

2123
02:02:46,260 --> 02:02:49,890
is, John and I are there lots of
people that also the artists,

2124
02:02:50,310 --> 02:02:53,310
which I wanted to talk about one
of the artists in particular,

2125
02:02:53,610 --> 02:02:57,090
because yeah, roundy Well, this
is kind of beautiful Roger

2126
02:02:57,090 --> 02:03:02,580
roundy and he's been posting on
no agenda social.com He, he said

2127
02:03:02,580 --> 02:03:07,080
that he has now been hired by
The Daily Caller to do political

2128
02:03:09,390 --> 02:03:15,810
illustrations. And he's and He
attributes his his job, the

2129
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:18,990
getting this job to his work for
the no agenda show.

2130
02:03:19,860 --> 02:03:22,020
John C Dvorak: Yeah, he does.
Then he bails out on us and he's

2131
02:03:22,020 --> 02:03:22,260
not

2132
02:03:23,370 --> 02:03:26,730
Unknown: quit he didn't quit.
He's still listening. He's still

2133
02:03:26,730 --> 02:03:28,620
on no agenda socially. You'll
know that.

2134
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,560
John C Dvorak: He said his Daily
Caller is that the Tucker or is

2135
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:33,480
that Tucker Shapiro her Tucker.

2136
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:36,750
Unknown: He said he said he
wasn't leaving the show in any

2137
02:03:36,810 --> 02:03:37,770
any but you know,

2138
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:41,100
John C Dvorak: I will note ISIS
is Fuck you guys right at the

2139
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:41,730
end of the No.

2140
02:03:42,300 --> 02:03:48,990
Unknown: Job? No, no, you must
have read your on tribal. And I

2141
02:03:48,990 --> 02:03:53,760
wanted to say that he is
incorrect. The reason why he got

2142
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:59,610
this job is not because he won
many different pieces of art as

2143
02:03:59,610 --> 02:04:03,630
album art, which we see as an
award for an artist. The reason

2144
02:04:03,630 --> 02:04:06,480
why he got this job is because
of our criticism of the things

2145
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:07,920
that we didn't choose of his.

2146
02:04:08,940 --> 02:04:12,570
John C Dvorak: No, I agree. 100%
It was listening to the two art

2147
02:04:12,570 --> 02:04:15,240
directors that would be you and
me correct as part time art

2148
02:04:15,240 --> 02:04:20,610
directors, listening to us go
over the art and it's something

2149
02:04:20,610 --> 02:04:23,460
that most artists never get to
hear. That's right. You don't

2150
02:04:23,460 --> 02:04:25,950
get criticism when we say you
don't know why your art was

2151
02:04:25,950 --> 02:04:31,080
rejected Correct? At this. So
once again, when I believe that

2152
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:34,830
what you said is true. We can
credit another success story to

2153
02:04:34,830 --> 02:04:37,950
us. Yeah, I am in total
agreement with myself on the

2154
02:04:37,950 --> 02:04:40,440
back for that. While you do

2155
02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:46,320
Unknown: we want all the time.
We want to thank I think brand

2156
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:50,520
new to the lineup. Francisco
Scaramanga. Yeah, he's been

2157
02:04:50,670 --> 02:04:53,190
John C Dvorak: submitting before
he's been submitting as we want

2158
02:04:53,190 --> 02:04:55,320
it, and they're saying they're
always interesting.

2159
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:58,260
Unknown: Yes. And he just hasn't
quite made it yet. For a number

2160
02:04:58,260 --> 02:05:00,090
of reasons. You'd have to go
back and listen to The

2161
02:05:00,090 --> 02:05:05,070
criticisms we had but he was,
which picks his art for episode

2162
02:05:05,490 --> 02:05:10,770
1546 appropriately titled cat
hole, which the Dutch John I

2163
02:05:10,770 --> 02:05:14,730
mean, you are the hero of the
Dutch no agenda contingent. They

2164
02:05:14,730 --> 02:05:19,470
think your translation of Koto
fell into cat hole. I saw you

2165
02:05:19,470 --> 02:05:21,240
got a postcard from cattle.

2166
02:05:21,510 --> 02:05:22,860
John C Dvorak: Yeah, using the
newsletter

2167
02:05:25,860 --> 02:05:28,800
Unknown: as something incredibly
funny about that, you have to

2168
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,800
speak Dutch to understand it,
but it's, it's really it's very

2169
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:33,030
well done. We'd like that.

2170
02:05:33,809 --> 02:05:36,329
John C Dvorak: Well, the piece I
liked in competition was the

2171
02:05:36,329 --> 02:05:39,089
winner from networks he could
have won again with the SS

2172
02:05:39,089 --> 02:05:42,689
climate change. It was very
close. Yeah, it was very close.

2173
02:05:42,689 --> 02:05:45,299
And actually the SS climate
change is a little more

2174
02:05:45,299 --> 02:05:50,099
artistic. But it was less less
connected to the show than to

2175
02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:56,579
our mouse theme. Yep. And so
this this scam scaremonger piece

2176
02:05:56,579 --> 02:05:59,609
was just what we want what the
doctor ordered and it was cute

2177
02:06:00,029 --> 02:06:03,869
and he just did a lot of stuff
and he came in second year like

2178
02:06:03,869 --> 02:06:08,159
the week before with a Go Go
back with the rabbit and the

2179
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:11,909
Christ figure out a bit much
which is sacrilegious to tell

2180
02:06:11,909 --> 02:06:12,509
decided not

2181
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:18,480
Unknown: Yeah, no, I agree with
other good ideas. Network. I

2182
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:22,560
agree. Networks had the and this
is what happens sometimes. And

2183
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,970
he had a great piece of art, but
it just didn't quite fit in with

2184
02:06:26,970 --> 02:06:31,230
the fish flopping. Now other
people tried Miami fish, no

2185
02:06:31,230 --> 02:06:36,690
other things. Which jet didn't
hit the mark either. Who was

2186
02:06:36,690 --> 02:06:40,410
this? Twitter, which is also
scar manga so he's been trying a

2187
02:06:40,410 --> 02:06:45,390
couple things. I kind of like
Boyce verts printing steak.

2188
02:06:47,580 --> 02:06:51,000
John C Dvorak: Darren O'Neal had
a nice printing food piece too.

2189
02:06:51,059 --> 02:06:53,669
Unknown: Which one was that? Oh,
yeah. Yeah, I thought it was too

2190
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:54,539
complicated.

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02:06:54,750 --> 02:06:56,970
John C Dvorak: It was too
complicated. And it was that was

2192
02:06:56,970 --> 02:06:59,940
also small. You get getting a 33
is the brand name of the

2193
02:06:59,940 --> 02:07:02,400
machine. It was small. Can't see
it. Yeah.

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02:07:04,350 --> 02:07:07,260
Unknown: I don't think there was
anything else that really that

2195
02:07:07,260 --> 02:07:13,050
really hit the mark that even or
came close. college should

2196
02:07:13,050 --> 02:07:17,640
blogger. Oh, no. But this time
he had an ozempic shot going to

2197
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:19,740
someone's belly. No, I was just
creepy.

2198
02:07:21,810 --> 02:07:23,460
John C Dvorak: No, it was
nothing new. We had this this

2199
02:07:24,030 --> 02:07:26,520
piece looks good. It worked. It
worked.

2200
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:29,280
Unknown: So congratulations,
Francisco Scaramanga and web

2201
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:34,590
though and you know what? I
wanted to mention this she has

2202
02:07:34,590 --> 02:07:42,330
his own lucky town threads.com
which is she's got she's got

2203
02:07:42,330 --> 02:07:50,220
merch he makes T shirts. With
Sin City What am I seeing here?

2204
02:07:50,670 --> 02:07:51,840
Wax addict

2205
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:54,420
John C Dvorak: got a lot of T
shirts lot of yeah t shirt list

2206
02:07:54,420 --> 02:07:55,680
of T shirts. Yes.

2207
02:07:55,710 --> 02:07:59,670
Unknown: Back door cover I mean
Yeah, lucky town threads. So

2208
02:07:59,670 --> 02:08:02,670
that was interesting job he
definitely has as artistic

2209
02:08:02,670 --> 02:08:06,690
chops. He just like sports
sports T shirts and stuff so it

2210
02:08:06,690 --> 02:08:12,330
was kind of cool. And thank you
very much for bringing us the

2211
02:08:12,330 --> 02:08:16,110
artwork for episode 1546 I was I
was really good we thank all of

2212
02:08:16,110 --> 02:08:18,750
our artists of course you can
join their ranks have

2213
02:08:18,750 --> 02:08:22,170
congratulating each other, which
they do begrudgingly? Some I

2214
02:08:22,170 --> 02:08:28,350
think are sincere but you can
see what that guy won again. But

2215
02:08:28,380 --> 02:08:32,100
you know, anybody can win except
comics or Blogger was aI

2216
02:08:32,100 --> 02:08:36,210
generated art we just we tried
to catch the AI generated stuff

2217
02:08:36,210 --> 02:08:40,080
and we just I've just been told
that I don't like it. I want you

2218
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:42,870
to use your way calm tablet at
all times.

2219
02:08:44,730 --> 02:08:50,160
Is welcome I thought was way
calm. Maybe it is okay then

2220
02:08:50,370 --> 02:08:53,160
don't correct me unless you're
sure okay.

2221
02:08:53,849 --> 02:08:55,859
John C Dvorak: I know I never
correct you yesterday I thought

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02:08:55,859 --> 02:09:01,199
it was dope was

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02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:06,990
Unknown: she this? This is why
people get mad at you. You have

2224
02:09:06,990 --> 02:09:09,150
a way you have a way it's
amazing. You have

2225
02:09:09,150 --> 02:09:11,640
John C Dvorak: a way yes called
parsing ah

2226
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:16,110
Unknown: as part of our time
talent and treasure which is the

2227
02:09:16,140 --> 02:09:19,470
well all we ask in return I was
explaining this Some people were

2228
02:09:19,470 --> 02:09:25,290
having dinner with how do you do
this? By the way I'm looking for

2229
02:09:25,290 --> 02:09:28,950
someone in Phoenix Arizona who
can do some audio engineering

2230
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:33,090
for producing a podcast email me
someone wants some help. So

2231
02:09:33,090 --> 02:09:36,090
yeah, well you know we've been
doing this for 15 to 15 years

2232
02:09:36,090 --> 02:09:39,750
and and trying to explain time
talent treasure and it's like

2233
02:09:39,780 --> 02:09:42,420
scary for people and they think
about it but once you really get

2234
02:09:42,420 --> 02:09:45,150
into it once you do it once
you've built up your own get mo

2235
02:09:45,150 --> 02:09:49,440
nation which is not easy. takes
time. You have to have patience,

2236
02:09:49,740 --> 02:09:52,860
John C Dvorak: you have to have
quality product SN key There you

2237
02:09:52,860 --> 02:09:54,120
go. Yes outstanding

2238
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:57,570
Unknown: product is a
requirement. And then

2239
02:09:57,630 --> 02:10:00,360
John C Dvorak: I mean I can I
listen to podcast is not As much

2240
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:03,660
as you do by listen to a lot of
them and it's like who's gonna

2241
02:10:03,690 --> 02:10:07,410
do these podcasts are just two
guys gassing? You know we do

2242
02:10:07,410 --> 02:10:10,590
some of that but we don't we try
to put real content in.

2243
02:10:11,700 --> 02:10:17,280
Unknown: Yes, correct. And I'll
say that, you know, people keep

2244
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:19,860
telling me oh, you got to go on
the tool boy and the pool boy at

2245
02:10:19,860 --> 02:10:25,440
pool boy show? No. I will say
that his I said that twice. His

2246
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:28,770
Culture Show is actually pretty
good. Have you seen his culture

2247
02:10:28,770 --> 02:10:29,070
show?

2248
02:10:29,130 --> 02:10:31,140
John C Dvorak: I don't know what
you're talking about Tim the

2249
02:10:31,140 --> 02:10:31,770
pool boy.

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02:10:32,370 --> 02:10:35,520
Unknown: I know Tim the pool
boy. Yeah. So he has a he has a

2251
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:39,090
beanie. Yes. He has another
podcast where he just sits with

2252
02:10:39,090 --> 02:10:42,780
people are Joe Rogan. Then he's
got good. Yes. It's

2253
02:10:42,780 --> 02:10:43,890
John C Dvorak: a Joe Rogan
clone.

2254
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,770
Unknown: Yes. It's a Joe Rogan
clone. Yes. Which is exactly why

2255
02:10:46,770 --> 02:10:49,950
I'll never go on it. Because
that would be like going on The

2256
02:10:49,950 --> 02:10:52,710
Tonight Show and then being a
whore and going on The Late

2257
02:10:52,710 --> 02:10:54,930
Show. Yeah.

2258
02:10:55,560 --> 02:10:58,140
John C Dvorak: You're the Joe
Rogan guy. You go on Joe Rogan

2259
02:10:58,140 --> 02:10:58,440
show

2260
02:10:58,470 --> 02:11:01,890
Unknown: exactly. I will never I
will never butcher betray Joe

2261
02:11:01,890 --> 02:11:03,090
Rogan? Never. But you

2262
02:11:03,090 --> 02:11:07,110
John C Dvorak: did go and Glenn
Beck. Yeah, not to say not the

2263
02:11:07,110 --> 02:11:10,500
same. I would say Glenn Beck's
in a different category. Yes.

2264
02:11:10,770 --> 02:11:13,440
Diff very different category.
But my dad would say,

2265
02:11:14,040 --> 02:11:17,460
Unknown: interestingly enough,
when I went on, Glenn Beck, Joe

2266
02:11:17,460 --> 02:11:21,060
called me to come on, like two
weeks later. I think that was

2267
02:11:21,060 --> 02:11:22,530
his signal to say, hey,

2268
02:11:23,550 --> 02:11:25,260
John C Dvorak: anyway, he was
telling you not to go on back

2269
02:11:25,260 --> 02:11:28,050
anymore. I think Beck should get
word of this.

2270
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:32,310
Unknown: Maybe get you back on
Beck has not called that. Oh,

2271
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:35,640
you know who called who
contacted me? Who wants me back

2272
02:11:35,640 --> 02:11:36,600
on for full hour.

2273
02:11:38,850 --> 02:11:43,800
Come on. Ruben. No, Ruben. I've
never been on Rubin. Back on.

2274
02:11:44,730 --> 02:11:49,680
Oh, back on. Yeah. Oh, uh, Tom
would know. Not full hour. Oh, I

2275
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:53,040
John C Dvorak: know who it is.
Yeah. Kelly. Yeah, that's

2276
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:59,460
Unknown: right. Megan. Yeah. I
think we got one. One new

2277
02:11:59,460 --> 02:12:01,020
listener from the Megyn Kelly
show.

2278
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:07,350
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Yes, I
think it was one. One. Yeah. I

2279
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:09,510
don't think it's going to end
you go on her show. Again. It's

2280
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:11,160
going to be another one.

2281
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:12,900
Unknown: Probably I like her
those

2282
02:12:12,900 --> 02:12:15,210
John C Dvorak: and have the
crossover that Rogan has as a

2283
02:12:15,210 --> 02:12:16,650
problem. Once you

2284
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:20,190
Unknown: know that. You'd hope
that you could get some people

2285
02:12:20,190 --> 02:12:23,700
to come listen to us but I think
we got one Yeah, we got one.

2286
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:25,860
Kelly donation mega did she put

2287
02:12:25,860 --> 02:12:28,770
John C Dvorak: a that she put at
lower third on there with the no

2288
02:12:28,770 --> 02:12:33,000
agenda show underneath her name?
No. Yes, she did. I don't think

2289
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:34,170
so. Yeah, sure, dude.

2290
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:37,800
Unknown: I'm pretty sure she
did. She mentioned it.

2291
02:12:39,090 --> 02:12:41,640
John C Dvorak: Though she met
mentioning it is not the same as

2292
02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:42,450
a lower third.

2293
02:12:42,510 --> 02:12:45,810
Unknown: Okay. I will. Well, I
think it was on the lower third.

2294
02:12:45,810 --> 02:12:49,320
I will ensure it is on the lower
third. I will have her put Adam

2295
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:54,120
curry co host no agenda show.
Joe Rogan's boy.

2296
02:12:55,019 --> 02:12:57,629
John C Dvorak: Yeah. Well, you
if you put I think it was maybe

2297
02:12:57,629 --> 02:13:03,029
had maybe it was Adam crepe
podcasters. Yeah, that's what

2298
02:13:03,029 --> 02:13:05,519
you're gonna get if you don't
think was make a point. No, I

2299
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:09,000
Unknown: always make a point.
But I think she had x MTV VJ.

2300
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:11,430
John C Dvorak: Yeah, I think it
was.

2301
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:16,950
Unknown: Tina was mad because
what was she just fangirling

2302
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:19,470
over MTV? Who cares? Look at all
the stuff. You're done. Look at

2303
02:13:19,470 --> 02:13:23,190
what you're doing. And she's
right. She's right. She's right.

2304
02:13:23,640 --> 02:13:27,690
Keep her nose. We kick off our
and by the

2305
02:13:27,690 --> 02:13:30,600
John C Dvorak: way, that's what
these podcasts are. It's like

2306
02:13:30,630 --> 02:13:35,340
all of them are supposed to be
log rolling. Anyway. That's what

2307
02:13:35,340 --> 02:13:38,880
you do. Log is like people don't
come on The Tonight Show just to

2308
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:42,060
because they're nice guys. They
got a movie. You got a new

2309
02:13:42,060 --> 02:13:45,390
motion promotion? It's all about
promotion. Yes. And who and

2310
02:13:45,390 --> 02:13:47,700
anyone who doesn't think that's
true? Which is by the way, we

2311
02:13:47,700 --> 02:13:48,810
have no guests,

2312
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:53,370
Unknown: correct? Because that's
the reason.

2313
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:56,370
John C Dvorak: Well, that's one
reason the other guy got a

2314
02:13:56,370 --> 02:14:00,600
million reasons. But that's one
good reason. But if you're going

2315
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:03,840
to be on these shows that are
all promotional. You just want

2316
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:06,210
to get promoted. Chase. Yes.
Does

2317
02:14:06,210 --> 02:14:09,480
Unknown: it take I agree. I
agree. What does it

2318
02:14:09,480 --> 02:14:11,040
John C Dvorak: take to get a
drink around here?

2319
02:14:13,710 --> 02:14:17,010
Unknown: We kick it off with our
monthly donation from one of our

2320
02:14:17,010 --> 02:14:20,610
top donors of all time Serrana
Miss of Dogpatch and Lois LeBeau

2321
02:14:20,610 --> 02:14:24,720
via comes in to save the day
once again with a coded donation

2322
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:28,410
amount. Let's make sure we say
it right this time to five to

2323
02:14:28,410 --> 02:14:33,360
nine. This is again, I presume
in cash was several $2 bills you

2324
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:35,010
received it. So confirm

2325
02:14:35,070 --> 02:14:37,500
John C Dvorak: I was counted by
two people to make sure it was

2326
02:14:37,500 --> 02:14:42,030
exactly where I eat and it was
two to $2 bills and a fiver and

2327
02:14:42,210 --> 02:14:45,090
Unknown: oh and right so a fiver
and it was only out of 20 and

2328
02:14:45,090 --> 02:14:50,340
then 2500s Yeah. Oh my god.
Thank you sir. animus of

2329
02:14:50,340 --> 02:14:53,190
Dogpatch and Loris LeBeau via we
don't know much about him. But

2330
02:14:53,190 --> 02:14:55,950
he does always send in a note
which is usually or always

2331
02:14:55,950 --> 02:15:00,660
thoughtful. And generally, yeah,
and it's long More than normal

2332
02:15:00,660 --> 02:15:04,530
this time but here he is Chag
Pesach sama some ants I'm a

2333
02:15:05,370 --> 02:15:09,720
happy Easter and Ramadan Kareem
to all producers, religious

2334
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:13,260
periods are so important despite
the ridiculous new cycle that

2335
02:15:13,260 --> 02:15:16,470
has virtually eliminated their
coverage and importance in the M

2336
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:20,610
five M, particularly after our
democratically elected officials

2337
02:15:20,610 --> 02:15:24,780
and many that were not elected,
close all houses of worship

2338
02:15:24,780 --> 02:15:26,070
during the lockdown.

2339
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:29,250
John C Dvorak: There are
atheists Hello, I encourage I

2340
02:15:29,250 --> 02:15:29,760
encourage

2341
02:15:29,790 --> 02:15:32,790
Unknown: all to reengage in
their faith rather than permit

2342
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:35,850
this drivel or this drive
towards a secular belief in

2343
02:15:35,850 --> 02:15:39,150
material things. I'll repeat
that. I encourage you all to

2344
02:15:39,150 --> 02:15:42,660
reengage in their faith rather
than permit this drive toward a

2345
02:15:42,660 --> 02:15:47,130
secular belief in material
things. Focusing on a prayerful

2346
02:15:47,130 --> 02:15:51,210
and faithful life has its
advantages. For those whose

2347
02:15:51,210 --> 02:15:54,810
holiday has passed. I hope you
have renewed your faith. John,

2348
02:15:55,020 --> 02:15:57,780
thank you for correcting that
donation amount from last month.

2349
02:15:57,930 --> 02:16:03,690
You will reward a railroad trip
for you. Check out the new

2350
02:16:03,690 --> 02:16:11,070
railroads station stamps at UPS
usps.com. Although they they're

2351
02:16:11,070 --> 02:16:13,500
no match for the
Transcontinental Railroad

2352
02:16:13,500 --> 02:16:18,150
stamps, I suspect you would like
them. So is this a prize that

2353
02:16:18,150 --> 02:16:20,580
you get or is he telling you to
go get some stamps?

2354
02:16:20,610 --> 02:16:22,560
John C Dvorak: He's telling me
to go get some stamps? He knows

2355
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:27,930
I was as a kid. I was adamant
stamp collector. Yes, because I

2356
02:16:27,930 --> 02:16:30,720
still buy a plate now and again.
I had a

2357
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:34,110
Unknown: penny black as a kid.
Good for you. You don't even

2358
02:16:34,110 --> 02:16:37,650
know what that is? No, I don't
know. Very, very, very famous

2359
02:16:37,650 --> 02:16:38,070
stamp.

2360
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:39,360
John C Dvorak: But you still
have it.

2361
02:16:39,539 --> 02:16:42,089
Unknown: I wish. I think I
traded. I traded it for an

2362
02:16:42,089 --> 02:16:42,989
outboard motor.

2363
02:16:44,460 --> 02:16:46,530
John C Dvorak: Let's probably
worth a million bucks by now.

2364
02:16:47,820 --> 02:16:53,280
Unknown: I also sold 65 Bitcoin
at $900. Yeah, go. I'm a genius.

2365
02:16:53,430 --> 02:16:54,450
John C Dvorak: You should have
kept that.

2366
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:58,800
Unknown: Go. Thanks, John.
Thanks for that tip. The artwork

2367
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:02,400
on the $2 bill I was referencing
was Trimble's depiction of the

2368
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:05,400
signing of the Declaration of
Independence on the back of the

2369
02:17:05,400 --> 02:17:09,150
bill as it captures all of the
signers. Yes. And I have seen

2370
02:17:09,150 --> 02:17:12,180
people who have told me that
they went out and got some $2

2371
02:17:12,180 --> 02:17:15,660
bills they liked it and they
liked the $2 bill. No jingles

2372
02:17:15,660 --> 02:17:22,470
but goat karma for them it's my
no jingles but goat karma for

2373
02:17:22,470 --> 02:17:25,890
the millions of goats and other
animals that will be sacrificed

2374
02:17:26,010 --> 02:17:30,000
this eat Yes indeed. And as
always, thank you very much sir

2375
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:32,340
animus of Dogpatch and lower
slobodian

2376
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:37,860
You've got karma

2377
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:42,930
John C Dvorak: Nice. Goat meats
delicious by the way.

2378
02:17:43,170 --> 02:17:46,590
Unknown: You know I've had bad
goat meat I've had in Jamaica. I

2379
02:17:46,590 --> 02:17:51,120
like some jerk goat meat. But I
had a goat meat at a Mexican

2380
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:55,020
restaurant. It was nasty. It
smelled like goat meat.

2381
02:17:55,740 --> 02:17:57,300
John C Dvorak: You're not
supposed to oh that's no good.

2382
02:17:57,300 --> 02:17:59,670
No meat doesn't have any issues
smell at all

2383
02:17:59,699 --> 02:18:00,419
Unknown: correct.

2384
02:18:01,770 --> 02:18:05,100
John C Dvorak: But that's just
bad goat meat those bad any meat

2385
02:18:05,100 --> 02:18:06,420
smells is no good.

2386
02:18:06,450 --> 02:18:08,640
Unknown: Anything that smells
like goat is generally not a

2387
02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:09,420
good product.

2388
02:18:09,660 --> 02:18:12,120
John C Dvorak: No agenda shops
up next from Fayetteville

2389
02:18:12,120 --> 02:18:18,300
Georgia 608 25 This is the
latest share of the No 608 25

2390
02:18:18,420 --> 02:18:21,660
This is the latest share of the
no agenda shop profits. Sorry

2391
02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:24,450
for the lack of updates recently
we've been putting our no agenda

2392
02:18:24,450 --> 02:18:28,590
education to use launching a
personal podcast at still

2393
02:18:28,590 --> 02:18:34,110
chillin.com any positive karma
would be greatly appreciated. We

2394
02:18:34,110 --> 02:18:36,030
give him some karma go podcast
things.

2395
02:18:39,540 --> 02:18:42,360
Unknown: My God, I haven't had
to go podcasting thing on this

2396
02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:46,470
show in a long time. I have to I
have to thank him. Our guy there

2397
02:18:46,470 --> 02:18:53,400
No, no agenda shop.com Go when
it was my problem here. Go pod.

2398
02:18:53,460 --> 02:18:55,650
Do you remember what that good.
Podcasting is from? Do you

2399
02:18:55,650 --> 02:18:56,280
remember

2400
02:18:56,370 --> 02:18:59,010
John C Dvorak: when Yeah, it was
you were at one of the few

2401
02:18:59,580 --> 02:19:03,060
events you gone to that was a
podcasting event. You gave a

2402
02:19:03,060 --> 02:19:07,320
speech and then you dropped a
microphone and said Go podcast

2403
02:19:07,320 --> 02:19:10,620
Unknown: told me you told me
before I went there he said when

2404
02:19:10,620 --> 02:19:14,370
you're done you just you should
just just yell go podcasting.

2405
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:19,320
John C Dvorak: I did. Yeah, I
know. You dropped Okay, drug to

2406
02:19:19,320 --> 02:19:21,060
mic after obviously. Yeah.

2407
02:19:21,239 --> 02:19:23,579
Unknown: So I wanted to thank
our guy over there because I

2408
02:19:23,579 --> 02:19:28,109
ordered six t shirts. Six of the
day. Are you familiar with the

2409
02:19:28,109 --> 02:19:30,599
band Mercy Me? Never heard of
them?

2410
02:19:31,019 --> 02:19:33,479
No, I'm not. They had a huge hit

2411
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:37,169
a couple of years ago. I can
only imagine like triple

2412
02:19:37,169 --> 02:19:41,939
platinum. And they're playing in
San Antonio tonight. Turns out

2413
02:19:42,359 --> 02:19:45,779
they are huge. No agenda fans.
And they ended

2414
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:48,270
John C Dvorak: this reminds me
of our Weezer drummer. Yeah, I

2415
02:19:48,270 --> 02:19:49,830
don't know what happened to him.

2416
02:19:50,460 --> 02:19:53,730
Unknown: He's not a huge no
agenda fan like Mercy Me. In

2417
02:19:53,730 --> 02:19:57,930
fact, I did a movie about this
band. With Dennis Quaid played

2418
02:19:57,930 --> 02:20:02,430
the guy's dad Bart's dad. So So,
I would love for you and Tina to

2419
02:20:02,430 --> 02:20:06,150
come. Come on. Come on down in
your booth backstage you parked

2420
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:10,410
parked next to the bus. And so
So yeah, let's order some t

2421
02:20:10,410 --> 02:20:13,590
shirt drive. Yes. Well, we have
to have to boogie right after

2422
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:14,970
the show. We do have to Oh, it's

2423
02:20:14,970 --> 02:20:15,900
John C Dvorak: gonna be today
that

2424
02:20:17,220 --> 02:20:19,920
Unknown: I'm taking the T shirts
tonight. And and so our no

2425
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:23,160
agenda shop guy. He made sure he
got the T shirts to us in time

2426
02:20:23,160 --> 02:20:26,730
threw in a couple extra ones.
Super, super. Thank you very

2427
02:20:26,730 --> 02:20:31,080
much. I want him to give the
card there we go. Karma as

2428
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:36,510
requested. You've got karma. Sir
Donek is from Raritan, New

2429
02:20:36,510 --> 02:20:40,530
Jersey. I've been there five ad
dot o h. So it's boobs

2430
02:20:40,530 --> 02:20:45,570
backwards. Nice. And he says a
split switcheroo is going to be

2431
02:20:45,570 --> 02:20:48,660
complicated. Sir Dominic of the
Raritan Valley here. Fresh out

2432
02:20:48,660 --> 02:20:51,690
of the 732 meet up. Oh, that was
the one with Sir Daniels. My

2433
02:20:51,690 --> 02:20:55,170
deepest apologies for my lame
attempt my lame accent during

2434
02:20:55,170 --> 02:20:57,630
the subsequent meetup report.
I'll be playing that in a bit.

2435
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:02,070
That being said, I want to take
a new friend halfway there.

2436
02:21:03,210 --> 02:21:08,700
Please attribute $500 of this
donation to karaoke. The

2437
02:21:08,700 --> 02:21:12,750
remaining boob donation is for
Rick, the hidden host of our

2438
02:21:12,750 --> 02:21:17,430
amazing meetup. Stay strong.
Stay safe, stay safe and stay

2439
02:21:17,430 --> 02:21:22,230
lit. Got it man. I will put
karaoke as a switch route for

2440
02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:23,460
you. Thank you very much.

2441
02:21:24,390 --> 02:21:26,550
John C Dvorak: I'm gonna read
the next two starting with Barry

2442
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:31,380
Grol in Franklin Tennessee 500
bucks nice no note

2443
02:21:31,500 --> 02:21:35,070
Unknown: double up. Double Up
karma for him. You've got

2444
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:41,820
John C Dvorak: karma and then
there sir scurvy. Of the

2445
02:21:42,180 --> 02:21:45,540
Charlotte North Carolina is also
sir SCOBY Earl of the Piedmont

2446
02:21:45,900 --> 02:21:53,310
no note people and it's 33333
and we give him a double Yes.

2447
02:21:55,890 --> 02:21:56,700
Unknown: You've got

2448
02:21:58,830 --> 02:22:04,050
karma and a reminder that if you
can't fit the note into PayPal

2449
02:22:04,050 --> 02:22:08,400
which you should be able to or
if for some reason. You feel

2450
02:22:08,400 --> 02:22:12,480
compelled to send the notes and
the two notes at no agenda

2451
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:18,240
show.net And I exactly and
anonymous from Aurora Colorado

2452
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:24,960
send 333 dot 13 And Sam says
jingles in the morning Mexican

2453
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:31,410
version Spanish perhaps. And our
2d to karma MJ MK back in MX IVF

2454
02:22:31,410 --> 02:22:34,560
baby making karma and new
consulting practice karma from

2455
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:36,210
anonymous driver of the gap.

2456
02:22:37,980 --> 02:22:40,320
You got it? No problem. You've
got

2457
02:22:42,780 --> 02:22:47,310
John C Dvorak: karma. Ashley
Corollas in need Ville, Texas

2458
02:22:47,310 --> 02:22:53,340
What a name for a town
Needville. Must be Democrats 333

2459
02:22:53,940 --> 02:22:57,420
As she writes love listening to
the both of you. Thank you for

2460
02:22:57,420 --> 02:22:59,040
all your hard work.

2461
02:22:59,070 --> 02:23:02,040
Unknown: No, thank you. You're
welcome. Very much. So

2462
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:09,090
next is Ryan George from crest
Hill, Illinois. 333. Thank you.

2463
02:23:09,090 --> 02:23:11,520
I'd like to make a switcheroo
donation for my smokin hot

2464
02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:15,660
girlfriend Danielle Doherty. All
right, hold on a second. So

2465
02:23:15,690 --> 02:23:19,440
Daniel Doherty. I'm doing this
on the fly because we get the

2466
02:23:19,440 --> 02:23:22,260
spreadsheet. On the day of the
show.

2467
02:23:22,290 --> 02:23:24,780
John C Dvorak: Everything's last
second. Because we do everything

2468
02:23:24,780 --> 02:23:27,810
to the minute. Yeah, our shows
up to date.

2469
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:32,220
Unknown: Correct. We're in a
very small town with a trans

2470
02:23:32,220 --> 02:23:35,190
epidemic. Wow.

2471
02:23:37,260 --> 02:23:40,740
John C Dvorak: Hold by crest
Hill, Illinois. Illinois. Crest

2472
02:23:40,740 --> 02:23:42,840
Hill, Illinois. Yeah,

2473
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:46,380
Unknown: I just wanted to say
it's everywhere. I have received

2474
02:23:46,380 --> 02:23:50,160
notes from multiple producers
who have this happening in their

2475
02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:57,030
family. The Trans Maoism is
taking hold. So we're gonna

2476
02:23:57,030 --> 02:24:00,030
various schools and a lot of
this just like the girls who

2477
02:24:00,030 --> 02:24:03,960
have ticks on tick on on
Instagram and Instagram mainly

2478
02:24:04,110 --> 02:24:08,160
also on they have Tourette's,
which it's contagion. It's not

2479
02:24:08,370 --> 02:24:11,760
it's not really Tourette's. Take
it from a Tourette's guy. This

2480
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:14,100
is contagion. These girls like
it. They all get the same

2481
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:18,780
Tourette's and it's a contagion
is like when someone pukes

2482
02:24:18,780 --> 02:24:22,590
everyone else has to puke. It's
that kind of mass hysteria.

2483
02:24:22,620 --> 02:24:26,640
Thank you mass hysteria. There
you go. Not always of course not

2484
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:29,430
always there are exceptions but
it clearly something's going on

2485
02:24:29,430 --> 02:24:32,070
when a very small time with a
trans epidemic. I hope I don't

2486
02:24:32,070 --> 02:24:39,120
get shivved Can I get a D
douching and a gay frogs Keep up

2487
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:39,750
the good work.

2488
02:24:41,460 --> 02:24:43,710
You've been D deuced. I don't

2489
02:24:43,710 --> 02:24:46,530
like putting chemicals in the
water that turn the friggin

2490
02:24:46,530 --> 02:24:48,240
frogs gay you go.

2491
02:24:49,980 --> 02:24:52,110
John C Dvorak: There we go to
Associate Executive Producer

2492
02:24:52,110 --> 02:24:57,780
starting with Brian McDonough.
Big Dano in Coppell, Texas and

2493
02:24:57,780 --> 02:25:02,370
his 253 is an honor of his Human
Resources winning score which

2494
02:25:02,370 --> 02:25:06,930
was 253, I assume and this match
of last week's PBA tournament in

2495
02:25:06,930 --> 02:25:13,320
Houston. No. What's his name? I
should know the name of the of

2496
02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:14,040
the bowler?

2497
02:25:14,490 --> 02:25:18,060
Unknown: Well, his socials are
bowling Brady. I think Brady

2498
02:25:18,060 --> 02:25:19,920
bowling Brady. Bowling Brady

2499
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:25,979
John C Dvorak: is the youngest
ever PBA champion at 15. Yeah,

2500
02:25:25,979 --> 02:25:26,969
holy moly,

2501
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:30,390
Unknown: you know you used to be
a pro bowler, right? No,

2502
02:25:30,390 --> 02:25:33,720
John C Dvorak: I was under I was
an NCAA college bowlers the best

2503
02:25:33,720 --> 02:25:38,910
I got but I had my my doubles
partner, which he won the

2504
02:25:38,970 --> 02:25:42,330
intramural championship with the
University of California became

2505
02:25:42,360 --> 02:25:48,780
went on to become a beat carried
me. We went, believe me. He he

2506
02:25:48,780 --> 02:25:53,250
went on to become a pro and won
a number of tournaments. And

2507
02:25:53,250 --> 02:25:55,950
he's done now he still teaches
bowling enrich karuah

2508
02:25:56,040 --> 02:26:01,560
Unknown: I love that we have we
have Ashley's, Ashley. The the

2509
02:26:01,590 --> 02:26:06,540
formula Toyota racer, she's also
very young. And I think we will

2510
02:26:06,540 --> 02:26:10,380
have no agenda on her car this
season. Then we have bowling

2511
02:26:10,380 --> 02:26:13,620
Brady 300 youngest ever PBA
champion we

2512
02:26:13,620 --> 02:26:16,110
John C Dvorak: got that all all
that's astonishing, by the way.

2513
02:26:16,140 --> 02:26:18,150
Unknown: Yeah, all the cool kids
hang with no agenda.

2514
02:26:18,180 --> 02:26:20,610
John C Dvorak: He must have a
wait. We don't know they listen

2515
02:26:20,610 --> 02:26:25,680
to the show, but he must have
one hell of a shot. All right,

2516
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,980
she probably has thrown a 302
Onward

2517
02:26:28,980 --> 02:26:32,400
Unknown: Central Jersey 730 to
meet up in Parlin New Jersey.

2518
02:26:32,730 --> 02:26:36,510
Row aduc short one to 22 switch
a roo This is the winner of the

2519
02:26:36,510 --> 02:26:39,990
coaster raffle where you get a
coaster and a chance to win a

2520
02:26:39,990 --> 02:26:43,530
raffle for donating for the
Central Jersey 730 to meet up

2521
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:49,410
and the winner is Rob Diggle Rob
Diggle Alright, Rob did a long

2522
02:26:49,410 --> 02:26:53,340
name all credits go to rob
Diggle. So, consider that done.

2523
02:26:53,790 --> 02:26:55,590
You got it. Thank you very much.

2524
02:26:55,949 --> 02:26:59,249
John C Dvorak: Joseph terian.
White, Georgia is up next. And

2525
02:26:59,249 --> 02:27:01,979
he came up with just a flat 200
bucks and said John, I'm sorry,

2526
02:27:01,979 --> 02:27:04,829
I'm late to the party. Happy
belated birthday. May you have

2527
02:27:04,829 --> 02:27:08,459
many sweet returns Joe Clarion
white, Georgia.

2528
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:13,919
Unknown: Shawn Olson is in San
Pedro, California and want some

2529
02:27:13,919 --> 02:27:18,689
jingles. Can you see that juice?
That's not a great question and

2530
02:27:18,689 --> 02:27:21,839
goat karma. Hello. Oh, this is
from flight of the no agenda

2531
02:27:21,839 --> 02:27:24,329
meet up in Riverside California
also have a meet up report from

2532
02:27:24,359 --> 02:27:27,329
them as well. I can't believe I
was on the same side of an

2533
02:27:27,329 --> 02:27:33,239
argument as Lady G. Oops. Lady
G. Well, no more. Thanks for

2534
02:27:33,239 --> 02:27:35,789
clearing up how silly the US
Lindsey Graham. Thanks for

2535
02:27:35,789 --> 02:27:39,239
clearing up how silly that is. I
can't believe he said he's pro

2536
02:27:39,239 --> 02:27:42,809
China pro one China, but will
also defend Taiwan. What a

2537
02:27:42,809 --> 02:27:46,619
stooge. Also thank you for the
coverage on the destabilizing

2538
02:27:46,619 --> 02:27:49,229
trans movement. I have no we
don't want churches to be

2539
02:27:49,229 --> 02:27:52,079
politicized. But I think more
should be speaking out against

2540
02:27:52,079 --> 02:27:55,529
this movement, the trans Maoist
movement I think we should call

2541
02:27:55,529 --> 02:28:00,209
it specifically. That's a little
more detailed and accurate. And

2542
02:28:00,239 --> 02:28:02,189
yes, we got the jingles for you.
Oh, my

2543
02:28:02,190 --> 02:28:05,040
gosh. Can you see that juice?

2544
02:28:05,070 --> 02:28:09,090
John C Dvorak: Great question.
That's not a great question.

2545
02:28:10,020 --> 02:28:12,930
Unknown: You've got JCD karma.

2546
02:28:13,470 --> 02:28:17,070
Now this next note, you and I
have not discussed this, but I

2547
02:28:17,070 --> 02:28:20,670
would recommend that there's a
lot of medical and personal I'm

2548
02:28:20,670 --> 02:28:20,970
going

2549
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:25,380
John C Dvorak: to I've already
done this. Okay, good. I, in

2550
02:28:25,380 --> 02:28:29,490
this regard, we think alike.
Yes. So this is an anonymous

2551
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:34,800
donation. $200. And a very long
note, I'm only going to read the

2552
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:37,830
beginning of it and the very
end, probably you had the same

2553
02:28:37,830 --> 02:28:44,100
idea. Yes. There's too much.
Details on things that are very

2554
02:28:44,400 --> 02:28:48,270
personal. For an anonymous note.
I was just listening to Adam

2555
02:28:48,270 --> 02:28:50,700
discussing the thoughts and the
Dylan Bud Light issue and I had

2556
02:28:50,700 --> 02:28:53,610
to write before Adam spoke to
words, I was thinking to myself

2557
02:28:53,640 --> 02:28:56,970
if Budweiser marketing one had
nothing to do with us. Could

2558
02:28:56,970 --> 02:29:01,320
they even say so? Or do anything
to do with this? Could they even

2559
02:29:01,320 --> 02:29:05,940
say so? Why don't they kind of
did. I've been trying to discuss

2560
02:29:05,940 --> 02:29:08,850
injuries from childhood vaccines
for two decades, in a sense has

2561
02:29:08,850 --> 02:29:11,970
been a nightmare. It would be an
understatement to censorship

2562
02:29:11,970 --> 02:29:16,020
alone has been terrifying go on
about the pages, but I won't

2563
02:29:16,020 --> 02:29:18,690
briefly I've been arrested in a
mall because the owner didn't

2564
02:29:18,690 --> 02:29:21,720
like my sign had been lied to
and censored and threatened with

2565
02:29:21,720 --> 02:29:25,860
arrest by the local chapter head
of a well known autism support

2566
02:29:25,860 --> 02:29:32,820
group. And then she goes on with
more details. And then she none

2567
02:29:32,820 --> 02:29:37,140
of it good. And so I'm just
going to go to the end with it

2568
02:29:37,170 --> 02:29:41,460
because it's pretty long note my
ex told me years ago you'll shut

2569
02:29:41,460 --> 02:29:46,080
up if you know is good for your
family. Damnit, I hate to say

2570
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:49,860
but he was right. Yeah, I think
the trans thing is perverted fat

2571
02:29:49,860 --> 02:29:54,690
at their perverted media pushes.
I also think it's atherogenic

2572
02:29:54,690 --> 02:29:57,540
which means doctors caused it I
don't have reams of evidence

2573
02:29:57,540 --> 02:30:01,110
like I do for the VAX autism
link but my gut feeling they're

2574
02:30:01,110 --> 02:30:03,960
trying to desperately to
normalize it the same as they

2575
02:30:03,960 --> 02:30:07,290
did for autism. I know this
long, but it made me feel so

2576
02:30:07,290 --> 02:30:09,900
much better to hear it read on
your show. Please keep me

2577
02:30:09,900 --> 02:30:12,150
anonymous. Thanks for all you do
sincerely.

2578
02:30:12,480 --> 02:30:14,310
Unknown: Yes, thank you. And
then we have you in our

2579
02:30:14,310 --> 02:30:18,360
thoughts? Because it seems like
you got a lot of a bum ride on a

2580
02:30:18,360 --> 02:30:19,200
lot of things.

2581
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:24,120
Would that be the right way to
say it? Bum ride real bum ride,

2582
02:30:24,300 --> 02:30:25,080
John C Dvorak: bum ride,

2583
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:28,110
Unknown: thank you so much for
supporting the show the same

2584
02:30:28,110 --> 02:30:32,280
time. And that does wrap off our
executive and Associate

2585
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:37,230
Executive producers for episode
1415 47. We're gonna continue

2586
02:30:37,230 --> 02:30:39,780
all the way through since it was
a pretty short list down to the

2587
02:30:39,780 --> 02:30:43,560
50s. And then we've got we've
got a knighting to do some

2588
02:30:43,560 --> 02:30:45,090
birthdays and to meet ups. John.

2589
02:30:46,440 --> 02:30:48,300
John C Dvorak: Let's go down to
the rest of these and starting

2590
02:30:48,300 --> 02:30:53,460
with Anonymous 167 10. Another
anonymous at 151 42. May I

2591
02:30:53,460 --> 02:30:55,680
Unknown: just say something
here? These are orange because

2592
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:57,180
these were Bitcoin donations.

2593
02:30:57,690 --> 02:30:59,190
John C Dvorak: I would like to
know where that money is going.

2594
02:30:59,190 --> 02:31:00,660
Because I don't see it in the
bank account.

2595
02:31:00,870 --> 02:31:03,270
Unknown: That should be it
should be in the bank account.

2596
02:31:04,770 --> 02:31:06,150
John C Dvorak: I don't see a
nickel of it. And I

2597
02:31:07,860 --> 02:31:10,710
Unknown: will check because it
all it all comes in at midnight.

2598
02:31:10,710 --> 02:31:13,830
It's all swept into the bank
account. You've seen no, you see

2599
02:31:13,830 --> 02:31:14,730
no transfers?

2600
02:31:15,060 --> 02:31:17,520
John C Dvorak: I have not seen
one. Okay. But we'll we'll make

2601
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:21,780
sure I may have seen one. Yeah.
Well, that was comes in at a

2602
02:31:21,780 --> 02:31:22,890
cloud something or

2603
02:31:22,890 --> 02:31:26,910
Unknown: other. Yeah, I think
that's what it is. So reminder,

2604
02:31:26,910 --> 02:31:29,280
if you're if you're going to pay
that way, you got to put your

2605
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:34,170
name in the note. Otherwise, you
get this anonymous. So yeah,

2606
02:31:34,200 --> 02:31:36,540
thank you very much. Thank you
very much to both of you.

2607
02:31:37,320 --> 02:31:40,740
John C Dvorak: The second one
we're 151 42 says a douchebag.

2608
02:31:40,740 --> 02:31:45,420
No jingles no car. Okay. You're
a douchebag. Allison comes in

2609
02:31:45,420 --> 02:31:50,880
with 150. And this was done as a
straight up bank transfer and to

2610
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:54,150
this company and you saw that
came in? Yeah, that came in as a

2611
02:31:54,150 --> 02:31:58,920
bank transfer as a swift bank
transfer. She's in Taiwan or

2612
02:31:58,920 --> 02:32:03,120
someplace and she had to do it
that Oh, wow. Okay. And she says

2613
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:06,630
old fashioned bank transfer has
been completed. And I didn't see

2614
02:32:06,630 --> 02:32:09,480
that coming. Lucas Williams in
Roswell, New Mexico. $100

2615
02:32:09,480 --> 02:32:13,350
Theresa Marcin and Plymouth,
Michigan $100. Kevin McLaughlin

2616
02:32:13,380 --> 02:32:22,740
808. Up there. Lucas, North
Carolina. On a run, yeah. Greg

2617
02:32:22,770 --> 02:32:27,990
melon in Glenmore Pennsylvania
7147 Happy Birthday John. Josh

2618
02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:32,310
Buford is also Happy Birthday 71
Dawson Midlothian, Virginia

2619
02:32:32,310 --> 02:32:39,420
Jacob Ali in Wichita, Kansas
5533. She's got a birthday wish

2620
02:32:39,420 --> 02:32:44,010
for a birthday or husband or
hyperthermia human resource. I'm

2621
02:32:44,010 --> 02:32:48,510
sorry. It's a guy in me. Jacob
okay. There's no no husband

2622
02:32:48,510 --> 02:32:54,060
involved. John Tucker in Omaha,
Nebraska. 5510. Great stories.

2623
02:32:54,060 --> 02:33:00,000
Grandpa John. He writes. James
Edmondson in South Plainfield,

2624
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:04,170
New Jersey, double nickels on
the dime Richard Futter in UK,

2625
02:33:04,500 --> 02:33:12,390
London to the 510 David kicked
off in San Tan Valley. Arizona

2626
02:33:12,450 --> 02:33:15,000
is a rural carrier. Oh, which
reminds me.

2627
02:33:16,830 --> 02:33:18,540
Unknown: I have a clip about
that later.

2628
02:33:18,600 --> 02:33:21,600
John C Dvorak: i Okay, good.
Because I have some I get going

2629
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:25,290
back and forth with the guy
who's a union steward. And he

2630
02:33:25,290 --> 02:33:30,000
says the problem with eat by the
way. David needs a D douching.

2631
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:31,080
Let's do that first.

2632
02:33:33,660 --> 02:33:35,160
Unknown: Band D deuced.

2633
02:33:35,490 --> 02:33:40,050
John C Dvorak: He also needs to
call out Mack clan as a

2634
02:33:40,050 --> 02:33:48,510
douchebag 70 threes in seven Dr.
Cake. He says that the there's

2635
02:33:48,510 --> 02:33:51,570
two unions. He says the Union
for the rural carriers is not

2636
02:33:51,570 --> 02:33:57,630
the same as the losers that are
that are this city carriers got

2637
02:33:57,660 --> 02:34:01,680
a lousy union. And they're the
ones getting the most screwed by

2638
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:05,520
everything. And he says we're
unfortunately mixing up our

2639
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:10,500
details as we go as we try to
deconstruct what's going on with

2640
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:15,090
with the Postal Service. So we
should at least know that much

2641
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:19,620
All right. And he's seems to be
an he is a steward a shop

2642
02:34:19,620 --> 02:34:23,040
steward as a big deal if you're
in the union, shall be Losi in

2643
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:27,780
Rapid City South Dakota 5037
Happy birthday to smokin hot

2644
02:34:27,780 --> 02:34:33,510
husband Baron sir economic
hitman in Tomball, Texas $5.01.

2645
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:38,580
Now we have $50 donors name and
location. Kevin deals are Kevin

2646
02:34:38,580 --> 02:34:44,070
in Huntersville North Carolina.
Christian Freeman in San Marcos

2647
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:52,590
Texas. Titus Chow in Houston
Texas. Easy landscapes in North

2648
02:34:52,590 --> 02:34:53,940
Stonington Connecticut.

2649
02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:57,150
Unknown: Love guys who do that

2650
02:34:59,460 --> 02:35:02,370
John C Dvorak: Michael Thompson
a new Browns fells Texas law

2651
02:35:02,370 --> 02:35:07,170
Texas today in the $50. Donor
link race. Phillip blue,

2652
02:35:07,530 --> 02:35:10,710
Louisville, Kentucky, Chris
Lewinsky Sir Chris up in

2653
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:14,910
Sherwood Park, Alberta. Kelly
megadeal in Mission Hills

2654
02:35:14,910 --> 02:35:20,970
Kansas, big, big papa
productions Inc. in Minneapolis,

2655
02:35:20,970 --> 02:35:24,960
Minnesota, Timothy Moore in
Arlington, Texas, Ken quarry

2656
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:29,370
cats in Cave Creek, Arizona.
That is our list of Associate

2657
02:35:29,370 --> 02:35:33,330
Executive Producers executive
producers and plain old donators

2658
02:35:33,570 --> 02:35:36,630
to the no agenda show 1547

2659
02:35:36,660 --> 02:35:39,000
Unknown: Thank you all very much
for supporting especially our

2660
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:42,600
execs and Associate Executive
producers and people under $50

2661
02:35:42,600 --> 02:35:46,140
Who do that for reasons of
anonymity but also because

2662
02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:49,170
they're on those sustaining
donations which do help out

2663
02:35:49,170 --> 02:35:53,790
those little recurring payments
you can make there's many many

2664
02:35:54,270 --> 02:35:56,820
versions you can make one up
yourself you can find out about

2665
02:35:56,820 --> 02:35:57,240
them here

2666
02:35:57,270 --> 02:36:01,140
for.org/n A and especially

2667
02:36:01,140 --> 02:36:03,930
associate XR execs those are
titles you keep forever

2668
02:36:03,930 --> 02:36:05,130
congratulations.

2669
02:36:05,250 --> 02:36:06,240
Our formula is

2670
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:09,930
this we go out we had people in
the mouth

2671
02:36:29,820 --> 02:36:32,880
Yes, here is our birthday list.
We got sir Andy of Terrigal

2672
02:36:32,880 --> 02:36:35,580
beach and Dame Kylie have the
double D cups wishing their

2673
02:36:35,580 --> 02:36:39,540
beautiful daughter Cantrell a
happy birthday she turns 15

2674
02:36:39,540 --> 02:36:43,050
Tomorrow, Shelby loads wishes
are spoken out husband Justin

2675
02:36:43,050 --> 02:36:49,830
Loza. Happy birthday 37 Today
Daniel. Did I say Cantrell on

2676
02:36:49,830 --> 02:36:54,030
the trip she celebrates today.
I'm sorry, Daniel Puga Johnny 38

2677
02:36:54,030 --> 02:36:57,330
Tomorrow. There we go. Kirkus
maximas celebrating on the 18th

2678
02:36:57,330 --> 02:37:03,690
Teresa Marcin wishes her Josh
Klein's or some Josh our son,

2679
02:37:03,960 --> 02:37:07,560
Josh Klein to Happy Birthday.
That will be on the 21st Jacob

2680
02:37:07,560 --> 02:37:11,100
Ali celebrates and Jacob Ali
wishes his human resource chemo

2681
02:37:11,100 --> 02:37:14,220
boasting a happy birthday and we
say happy birthday for everybody

2682
02:37:14,220 --> 02:37:18,270
here at the best podcast in the
universe. Before I go to our

2683
02:37:18,270 --> 02:37:21,900
knighting we have a note from
our night. Tim Moore, who says

2684
02:37:21,900 --> 02:37:24,030
in the morning I'm requesting a
bladed knighthood after

2685
02:37:24,030 --> 02:37:27,240
finishing the layaway program
last May it took me a year to

2686
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:30,960
decide on my night name and
round table selection which is

2687
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:34,830
why I'm only just now sending
this note so just so you know,

2688
02:37:35,130 --> 02:37:38,460
you can achieve knighthood with
these layaways and it can take a

2689
02:37:38,460 --> 02:37:42,780
long time but it does happen.
Please Knight me Sir Tim of the

2690
02:37:42,780 --> 02:37:46,080
Tarrant swamp lands and we'll
have Glenfiddich and fried

2691
02:37:46,080 --> 02:37:49,200
bologna sandwiches at the
roundtable Yes, breakfast of

2692
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:51,480
champions. No jingles no comma.
Thanks for all you do.

2693
02:37:51,480 --> 02:37:54,660
Sincerely, Sir Tim Well about to
be served to him as we get our

2694
02:37:54,660 --> 02:37:58,290
blades out John for this Cha
here it is. There we go.

2695
02:37:58,680 --> 02:38:02,910
Alright, Tim Marsden. Thank you
very much for your layaway

2696
02:38:02,910 --> 02:38:06,180
program knighthood it's just as
valid as any other one and I'm

2697
02:38:06,180 --> 02:38:11,670
very proud to pronounce the K D
today as Sir Tim of the Tarrant

2698
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:14,970
swamp lands and for you, sir
Sam. We got hookers and blow

2699
02:38:14,970 --> 02:38:18,120
rent boys and Chardonnay and by
request Glenfiddich and fried

2700
02:38:18,120 --> 02:38:20,430
bologna sandwiches right here at
the roundtable. Look at him.

2701
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:23,790
Smells great. These pine
fellatio if you want it we got

2702
02:38:23,790 --> 02:38:26,370
harlots and hell doll Borg
goodies for your beers a bunch.

2703
02:38:26,490 --> 02:38:29,070
We got Rubenesque women and
Rosae gauges and sock a baka

2704
02:38:29,070 --> 02:38:32,550
Manila bong hits and bourbon,
sparkling cider an escort ginger

2705
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:34,980
ale and Jerboas. We got breast
milk and pablum. We got some

2706
02:38:34,980 --> 02:38:38,520
diet soda and video games
poultice potato vodka, but maybe

2707
02:38:38,520 --> 02:38:41,160
you just want the mutton and
meat everybody seems to live it

2708
02:38:41,190 --> 02:38:44,130
the love it. Sure Tim. Drink up
on that along with your

2709
02:38:44,130 --> 02:38:49,380
Glenfiddich and your baloney
sandwich. And head over to no

2710
02:38:49,380 --> 02:38:53,580
agenda rings.com where you can
select your ring sizes, send

2711
02:38:53,580 --> 02:38:56,130
that to us, tell us where to
send it. Anybody can look at no

2712
02:38:56,130 --> 02:38:59,760
agenda rings.com You can look at
that with envy, envy because the

2713
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:02,220
only way you can get us become a
knight or dame of the no agenda

2714
02:39:02,220 --> 02:39:04,470
roundtable. And thank you so
much for supporting your no

2715
02:39:04,470 --> 02:39:05,160
agenda show.

2716
02:39:13,980 --> 02:39:17,610
blew our friends away last night
at dinner about about our value

2717
02:39:17,610 --> 02:39:19,740
for value model. And then I said
oh yeah, by the way, we have

2718
02:39:19,740 --> 02:39:23,160
these meetups and meetups. So
yeah, these meetups, they're

2719
02:39:23,160 --> 02:39:26,580
self organizing. Everyone goes
to no agenda meetups.com all

2720
02:39:26,580 --> 02:39:29,790
over the world, people get
together groups of five groups

2721
02:39:29,790 --> 02:39:33,510
of 50. We're expecting quite a
big one. Tomorrow as to the

2722
02:39:33,510 --> 02:39:38,940
keeper and I will be flying to
Nashville. For the this was a do

2723
02:39:38,940 --> 02:39:42,630
over since I had COVID last
year. Not that it mattered that

2724
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:46,320
much but no one wanted me
around. This will be the tax day

2725
02:39:46,320 --> 02:39:49,920
family skating meet up at River
gate skate Center in Madison,

2726
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:52,590
Tennessee, the Duke of the
South. Mr. Patrick Coble is

2727
02:39:52,590 --> 02:39:54,540
organizing that and we're
looking forward to seeing

2728
02:39:54,540 --> 02:39:58,290
everybody. Before we get to the
rest of our meetups. Let's have

2729
02:39:58,290 --> 02:40:02,520
a couple of reports he is flight
of the NOAA agenda which I don't

2730
02:40:02,610 --> 02:40:04,410
think was number 40 At this
point

2731
02:40:06,300 --> 02:40:10,440
Hey Adam Ville over here at the
meetup flooded the no agenda.

2732
02:40:10,830 --> 02:40:13,530
Give me an F cancer out there.
My wife starts treatment on the

2733
02:40:13,530 --> 02:40:14,730
17th we love

2734
02:40:14,730 --> 02:40:18,240
the last episode every episode,
but it was fantastic. We'll talk

2735
02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:18,810
to you in the morning.

2736
02:40:19,349 --> 02:40:22,049
In the morning it's Steve. Hey,

2737
02:40:22,050 --> 02:40:24,000
I'm not being triggered or held
to blame

2738
02:40:24,060 --> 02:40:28,650
in the morning Jesse here at the
meetup no longer a douchebag

2739
02:40:28,650 --> 02:40:31,860
Hey, shake that rain sick like a
man we need some more rain down

2740
02:40:31,860 --> 02:40:32,340
here.

2741
02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:35,310
All right by request

2742
02:40:39,780 --> 02:40:41,400
he's got karma

2743
02:40:42,360 --> 02:40:46,890
now we go to the no agenda 732
Central Jersey meet up report.

2744
02:40:46,890 --> 02:40:50,730
This is Sir our Daniels at the
732 Central Jersey meet up at

2745
02:40:50,730 --> 02:40:54,180
the Garden State distillery in
Toms River. Be brave, do

2746
02:40:54,180 --> 02:40:57,660
something. Thank you for keeping
us informed and inspired. And by

2747
02:40:57,660 --> 02:41:01,260
the way, I checked with Dan he's
doing okay. In the morning this

2748
02:41:01,260 --> 02:41:03,210
Mappy thank you guys for your
courage

2749
02:41:03,390 --> 02:41:06,870
in the morning to John anatomy.
This is Rob. Hope you're having

2750
02:41:06,870 --> 02:41:09,720
a fantastic springtime. Watch
out for those allergies

2751
02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:14,010
in the morning. This is karaoke.
He's feeling a little loopy from

2752
02:41:14,010 --> 02:41:18,570
seaweed in oyster vodka, Craig
Kosha. Newbie. Happy to be here.

2753
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:21,090
Hi, Hotchkis as always great to
get together.

2754
02:41:21,570 --> 02:41:23,460
In the morning. Rob had a great
time. Thank

2755
02:41:23,460 --> 02:41:27,450
you, Dan. Paul says, Hey, mate,
this is Sir Donica of the

2756
02:41:27,450 --> 02:41:32,010
Raritan Valley just saying hey,
keep it up. Hey, this is Dave

2757
02:41:32,010 --> 02:41:35,520
and all my graphs are hockey
sticks. And finally this is Sir

2758
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:37,710
nobody with no clue what's going
on.

2759
02:41:41,220 --> 02:41:44,010
Okay, so now I know what that
accent was. I got one of them

2760
02:41:44,010 --> 02:41:47,340
there. Okay, thank you very
much. South Jersey exit 103 Toms

2761
02:41:47,340 --> 02:41:50,910
River Spencer, Kansas City meet
up Peter middle middle promo for

2762
02:41:50,910 --> 02:41:51,240
us.

2763
02:41:52,230 --> 02:41:56,550
In Kansas City. We're known for
our traditions, bebop, jazz,

2764
02:41:58,770 --> 02:42:07,500
hundreds of fountains and above
all else, barbecue. Join us for

2765
02:42:07,500 --> 02:42:12,120
our smokin hot spring barbecue
this Sunday, April 23 at 333 at

2766
02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:16,560
electric Park in Lenexa get all
the details and RSVP at no

2767
02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:21,480
agenda meetups.com It's like a
party, Kansas City style.

2768
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:26,790
By now I think the Friends of
freedom meetup and Clover Park

2769
02:42:26,790 --> 02:42:29,700
brewery in Marietta Georgia is
probably winding down they

2770
02:42:29,700 --> 02:42:32,730
started at 130 this afternoon.
Crossroads of America the no

2771
02:42:32,730 --> 02:42:35,550
agenda tribal meetup spirit
installation in Westfield,

2772
02:42:35,550 --> 02:42:39,660
Indiana mash house at the West
Fork whiskey company. That is

2773
02:42:39,660 --> 02:42:42,660
about an hour underway so you
can join them there if you want

2774
02:42:42,660 --> 02:42:46,830
Indiana's a big meet up a state
impromptu Utah Valley meet up

2775
02:42:46,830 --> 02:42:49,590
three o'clock just getting
underway at strap tank brewery

2776
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:53,280
in Springville Utah. We have the
I Can't Believe It's Not 1000s

2777
02:42:53,280 --> 02:42:56,550
of sealed indictments meet up
four o'clock at in Jefferson,

2778
02:42:56,550 --> 02:43:01,260
Texas. So that's in a private
home so you need to get that off

2779
02:43:01,260 --> 02:43:04,470
of no agenda meet ups.com and
hurry up as it starts in about

2780
02:43:04,470 --> 02:43:07,560
10 minutes. On Monday Tax Day
family skating meetup talked

2781
02:43:07,560 --> 02:43:10,080
about earlier six o'clock at
River gate skate central

2782
02:43:10,200 --> 02:43:13,710
Madison, Tennessee. Adam and the
keeper will curry and the keeper

2783
02:43:13,710 --> 02:43:17,730
will be there looking forward to
all the no agenda. People out

2784
02:43:17,730 --> 02:43:21,390
there, which will be fun and I'm
not going to be rollerskating

2785
02:43:21,390 --> 02:43:24,750
because that's the I don't need
that. We know what will happen.

2786
02:43:26,010 --> 02:43:30,690
On Wednesday the red pillar club
33 meetup 633 Xian us Italian

2787
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:33,570
eatery du Pont road and Fort
Wayne Indiana toy those guys are

2788
02:43:33,570 --> 02:43:36,630
nuts who he who he organizes and
on the next show day Thursday

2789
02:43:36,630 --> 02:43:42,690
for 20 Ah remember John for 20
donation day write it down for

2790
02:43:42,690 --> 02:43:49,050
2424 20 Born day to be me Darius
unity two o'clock at the nation

2791
02:43:49,050 --> 02:43:54,510
mall Washington DC OS spook meet
up also on 420 Saturday brigade

2792
02:43:54,510 --> 02:43:58,110
Third Thursday five o'clock at
Selkirk Abby and Post Falls

2793
02:43:58,140 --> 02:44:03,450
Idaho. And we have the Virginia
Maryland West Virginia tri state

2794
02:44:03,450 --> 02:44:07,140
meet up at six o'clock. Also on
Thursday the Union Jack pub and

2795
02:44:07,140 --> 02:44:10,410
restaurant in Winchester,
Virginia. And finally for this

2796
02:44:10,410 --> 02:44:13,320
list on Thursday Charlotte's
thirsty Third Thursday seven

2797
02:44:13,320 --> 02:44:17,040
o'clock edge tavern Charlotte
North Carolina as always, no

2798
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:20,070
agenda meetups connection is
protection. This is where you

2799
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:22,920
find your community your
community is no agenda and you

2800
02:44:22,920 --> 02:44:26,910
can find all these meetups at no
agenda meetups.com If you can't

2801
02:44:26,910 --> 02:44:31,170
find one near you start one
yourself it's easy to

2802
02:44:31,650 --> 02:44:42,780
go hang out with Tyson days you
won't be triggered. You want to

2803
02:44:42,780 --> 02:44:48,570
be where everybody feels the
same. It's like oh

2804
02:44:51,210 --> 02:44:55,950
man, I have no ISOs I've just I
know I realized I was I have no

2805
02:44:55,950 --> 02:44:57,240
ISO. Do you have an ISO?

2806
02:44:57,660 --> 02:44:58,890
John C Dvorak: I have a good
one.

2807
02:44:59,160 --> 02:45:02,250
Unknown: Well, thank good Is
this the only one you have?

2808
02:45:02,280 --> 02:45:04,950
John C Dvorak: I see. Yeah, I
only have one and it's it's,

2809
02:45:05,430 --> 02:45:09,750
it's a slam was done with a
producer friend. Oh, Lee found

2810
02:45:09,750 --> 02:45:12,510
it. King of the Hill show. What
the hell was

2811
02:45:14,009 --> 02:45:16,709
Unknown: it'll have to do. It's
not bad. It's not bad. It's not

2812
02:45:16,709 --> 02:45:20,669
bad. I promised I'd play the

2813
02:45:21,810 --> 02:45:26,010
clip. Where's my clip here about
the

2814
02:45:27,780 --> 02:45:31,530
about USPS. Here it is from ABC

2815
02:45:31,560 --> 02:45:34,410
Gerald Groff spent years
delivering the mail during the

2816
02:45:34,410 --> 02:45:39,270
week and worshiping faithfully
on Sundays. That is until 2015.

2817
02:45:39,270 --> 02:45:42,600
When Amazon contracted with the
Postal Service to deliver

2818
02:45:42,600 --> 02:45:43,380
packages,

2819
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:47,700
they began to ask people in my
position to deliver on Sundays

2820
02:45:47,730 --> 02:45:51,120
or holidays, and I told them,
I'm not gonna be able to work on

2821
02:45:51,150 --> 02:45:51,900
the Lord's Day at

2822
02:45:51,900 --> 02:45:55,290
all. At first, the postmaster
accommodated grace, but a year

2823
02:45:55,290 --> 02:45:57,930
later, his boss said things had
changed.

2824
02:45:58,020 --> 02:46:00,810
She said the basic you're going
to find another job where you're

2825
02:46:00,810 --> 02:46:02,130
going to work Sundays, this
time.

2826
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:05,160
unwilling to compromise his
faith Groff transferred to a

2827
02:46:05,160 --> 02:46:09,000
post office nearby, one that had
just four carriers and still did

2828
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:12,570
not deliver on Sundays, but as
demand for Amazon delivery

2829
02:46:12,570 --> 02:46:15,960
soared. Groff eventually could
not avoid Sunday assignments,

2830
02:46:16,140 --> 02:46:20,910
shifts, he chose to skip 24
times over two years. Groff

2831
02:46:20,910 --> 02:46:25,560
resigned in 2019. And sued
federal law requires employers

2832
02:46:25,560 --> 02:46:28,800
to accommodate the religious
beliefs of workers and less it

2833
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:33,030
would pose an undue hardship on
business, the postal service and

2834
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:36,930
to lower federal courts say
graphs refusal to work Sundays

2835
02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:40,740
was clearly a hardship graph who
now works in the mailroom at a

2836
02:46:40,740 --> 02:46:44,010
private retirement community
wants the Supreme Court to force

2837
02:46:44,010 --> 02:46:46,950
employers to be more
accommodating of the religious

2838
02:46:46,950 --> 02:46:50,100
beliefs of workers, Rachel Lazar
with Americans United for

2839
02:46:50,100 --> 02:46:53,610
Separation of Church and State
says the impact could be

2840
02:46:53,610 --> 02:46:54,630
sweeping this

2841
02:46:54,630 --> 02:46:59,310
case opens the floodgates to
every employee in the workforce

2842
02:46:59,310 --> 02:47:04,560
being forced to carry the burden
of someone else's religious

2843
02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:09,060
practices, whether it's in a
pharmacy context asking to not

2844
02:47:09,060 --> 02:47:12,780
feel birth control
prescriptions, or in a workplace

2845
02:47:12,780 --> 02:47:16,380
asking to have the right to
discriminate against LGBTQ

2846
02:47:16,380 --> 02:47:17,610
people. Oh, yeah.

2847
02:47:18,690 --> 02:47:22,380
I thought that was funny more
than interesting. Not so legal.

2848
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:26,280
Right? The whole story not so
legalistic about these things.

2849
02:47:26,280 --> 02:47:31,830
But this is because of the
contracting of USPS for Amazon

2850
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:35,580
packages, etc. This is what has
driven all of our mail carriers

2851
02:47:35,580 --> 02:47:39,690
into into a tailspin as we've
received note after note because

2852
02:47:40,020 --> 02:47:43,530
they're now asked to work six,
seven days. They're not getting

2853
02:47:43,530 --> 02:47:46,830
the the bonuses they thought
they were getting it's part of

2854
02:47:46,830 --> 02:47:50,250
an IT problem was scanners and
you spoke to a union person.

2855
02:47:51,720 --> 02:47:53,760
John C Dvorak: He's I'm gonna
read some of his notes in the

2856
02:47:53,760 --> 02:47:58,110
next couple of shows. Yes, but
he made it clear. And I think

2857
02:47:58,110 --> 02:48:01,710
this situation is that the union
representing this guy who is

2858
02:48:01,710 --> 02:48:04,770
bitching, obviously, I mean,
it's a union thing you can't

2859
02:48:04,770 --> 02:48:07,770
make the if there's a union
involve you just can't make

2860
02:48:07,770 --> 02:48:10,740
people all of a sudden have to
work on Sunday. It's not in the

2861
02:48:10,740 --> 02:48:13,380
union contract. It's not in the
contract that you can use. You

2862
02:48:13,380 --> 02:48:17,100
can just change the rules. If
there's a union that's that's a

2863
02:48:17,100 --> 02:48:21,450
real union. So this is there's
something fishy about that

2864
02:48:21,450 --> 02:48:24,060
story, and I hope to clear it
out to

2865
02:48:24,060 --> 02:48:26,280
Unknown: debunk it. Pre bucket.

2866
02:48:26,820 --> 02:48:29,640
John C Dvorak: Now I have a
couple of leftovers if you want

2867
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:33,570
to hear him. There's a world how
about a world story? How about

2868
02:48:33,810 --> 02:48:37,620
let's at least get this into our
show with Oh yeah, dance. Yeah

2869
02:48:37,620 --> 02:48:38,040
away. She's

2870
02:48:38,040 --> 02:48:38,550
Unknown: crazy.

2871
02:48:38,550 --> 02:48:41,250
At least 25 people have been
killed and hundreds injured

2872
02:48:41,250 --> 02:48:44,070
after fighting erupted this
weekend across the dance capital

2873
02:48:44,070 --> 02:48:46,950
of Khartoum. The fighting is
between Sudan's army and the

2874
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:49,830
powerful paramilitary
paramilitary rapid support

2875
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:53,340
forces known as RSF. The
conflict which is unfolding in

2876
02:48:53,340 --> 02:48:56,010
Khartoum and other cities has
been roundly condemned by the

2877
02:48:56,010 --> 02:48:59,400
international community but it
is continuing as amperes Emanuel

2878
02:48:59,400 --> 02:49:00,510
aka watch, it reports

2879
02:49:00,540 --> 02:49:04,110
a power struggle between the RSF
and Sudan's army has turned

2880
02:49:04,110 --> 02:49:07,470
parts of the country into a
battlefield. After months of

2881
02:49:07,470 --> 02:49:11,250
rising tensions. People in
Sudan's capital, Khartoum walked

2882
02:49:11,250 --> 02:49:14,790
at gunshots and fierce fighting
on Saturday, continuing into the

2883
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:18,540
night. Both forces have accused
each other of instigating the

2884
02:49:18,540 --> 02:49:21,840
ongoing fighting, which is seen
civilians scrambling for shelter

2885
02:49:22,050 --> 02:49:25,770
and open conflict in residential
and commercial areas. The

2886
02:49:25,770 --> 02:49:30,060
battles follow a bitter dispute
between the military and the RSF

2887
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:33,600
on who will lead during the
country's fragile transition to

2888
02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:36,270
democracy that now appears in
jeopardy.

2889
02:49:36,870 --> 02:49:40,920
So I've been looking at the
story and some of the military

2890
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:44,130
context have sent me some videos
of stuff going on, which

2891
02:49:44,280 --> 02:49:48,630
immediately makes me wonder who
is really fighting here? What's

2892
02:49:48,630 --> 02:49:51,600
really going on? Is it us with
someone else? I mean, there's

2893
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:53,520
clearly something messed up
here.

2894
02:49:53,700 --> 02:49:55,470
John C Dvorak: Well, this
country is in the West Clark

2895
02:49:55,470 --> 02:49:57,270
seven is never been taken over.

2896
02:49:57,300 --> 02:50:03,120
Unknown: Oh, good point. su Don
is in the West Clark seven.

2897
02:50:04,319 --> 02:50:06,179
John C Dvorak: Pa you want to
play it? Yeah, hold

2898
02:50:06,180 --> 02:50:11,190
Unknown: on a second. Ah, Wes
Clark. Here we go west Clark

2899
02:50:11,190 --> 02:50:11,670
seven.

2900
02:50:12,750 --> 02:50:17,220
So I came back to see him a few
weeks later. And by that time we

2901
02:50:17,220 --> 02:50:19,680
were bombing in Afghanistan. I
said, Are we still going to war

2902
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:22,950
with Iraq? And he said, Oh, it's
worse than that. He said, He

2903
02:50:22,980 --> 02:50:24,990
reached over on his desk. He
picked up a piece of paper. He

2904
02:50:24,990 --> 02:50:28,350
said, I just, he said, I just
got this down from upstairs when

2905
02:50:28,350 --> 02:50:31,230
he was Secretary Defense Office
today. And he said, this a memo

2906
02:50:31,230 --> 02:50:35,280
that describes how we're going
to take out seven countries in

2907
02:50:35,280 --> 02:50:39,780
five years, starting with Iraq,
and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya,

2908
02:50:39,780 --> 02:50:46,500
Somalia, Sudan, and finishing
off Iran. Wow, good call. Ha,

2909
02:50:47,250 --> 02:50:49,980
John C Dvorak: what his five
year plan or theirs was a little

2910
02:50:50,010 --> 02:50:54,870
off. Was it been 20 years since
he did that little spiel?

2911
02:50:54,990 --> 02:50:58,770
Unknown: 2001 Yeah. And more
than 20 years ago, but still

2912
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:01,140
okay. sometimes think, well,
they got some other ones there.

2913
02:51:01,170 --> 02:51:05,850
We got Libya. Who did that live?
Somalia? Got some goodies in

2914
02:51:05,850 --> 02:51:10,680
there? Oh, wow. Okay, well, so
yeah, I presume we're involved

2915
02:51:10,680 --> 02:51:15,270
in that. Which stinks. That's
horrible. Well, then maybe this

2916
02:51:15,300 --> 02:51:20,160
other world story. Since you
will not see and even this

2917
02:51:20,160 --> 02:51:25,710
report from France 24 will not
show you the, the writing in

2918
02:51:25,710 --> 02:51:29,100
France and people's heads being
busted open. I mean, not now.

2919
02:51:29,100 --> 02:51:31,410
They're really fighting. Now.
It's not funny, but well, you

2920
02:51:31,410 --> 02:51:32,850
won't see that in this report.
Just

2921
02:51:32,880 --> 02:51:35,790
hours after the Constitutional
Council gave his bill the green

2922
02:51:35,790 --> 02:51:38,550
light on Friday evening,
President Macron signed his

2923
02:51:38,550 --> 02:51:42,030
controversial pension reform
into law. Opposition parties

2924
02:51:42,030 --> 02:51:44,970
denounced the council's decision
to approve a bill that is widely

2925
02:51:44,970 --> 02:51:47,910
rejected by the public new
seminars you nap. As I look,

2926
02:51:47,910 --> 02:51:50,490
Kelly, we are in an impasse in
which they have put us in the

2927
02:51:50,490 --> 02:51:52,830
past. And this is not this
decision of the Constitutional

2928
02:51:52,830 --> 02:51:55,860
Council that will change the
mind of an entire people who are

2929
02:51:55,860 --> 02:51:58,980
determined not to let this
pension reform pass the council

2930
02:51:58,980 --> 02:52:01,920
rejected some measures in the
pension bill. But the raising of

2931
02:52:01,920 --> 02:52:05,130
the retirement age from 62 to
64, has always been the

2932
02:52:05,130 --> 02:52:08,040
cornerstone of the reform. The
government says that the reforms

2933
02:52:08,040 --> 02:52:10,920
will be implemented on the first
of September, according to the

2934
02:52:10,920 --> 02:52:13,470
Prime Minister. There were no
winners on Friday, the

2935
02:52:13,470 --> 02:52:16,620
Constitutional Council has ruled
that the reform was in line with

2936
02:52:16,620 --> 02:52:19,380
our Constitution. The bill has
reached the end of its

2937
02:52:19,380 --> 02:52:22,890
democratic process. Tonight,
there are no winners and no,

2938
02:52:23,610 --> 02:52:26,160
it's reached the end of his
democratic process, which was

2939
02:52:26,160 --> 02:52:28,410
not democratic at all, at least.
Well, you

2940
02:52:28,410 --> 02:52:30,570
John C Dvorak: know, this is
interesting because at least

2941
02:52:30,600 --> 02:52:35,280
from what I can tell, looking
into this McCrone, when he ran

2942
02:52:35,280 --> 02:52:39,600
for the job, he ran on the
platform that he was going to do

2943
02:52:39,600 --> 02:52:43,800
this. So really democratically
elected for the purposes of

2944
02:52:43,800 --> 02:52:46,140
changing this and now all of a
sudden everyone's bent out of

2945
02:52:46,140 --> 02:52:48,150
shape. This is very suspicious.

2946
02:52:48,180 --> 02:52:53,190
Unknown: Oh, then he can get one
other thing I've heard. Again,

2947
02:52:53,190 --> 02:52:57,210
Stoltenberg is out at the end of
this year, but I think it's his

2948
02:52:57,210 --> 02:53:01,440
term and you know, who is now
being whispered around Brussels

2949
02:53:01,440 --> 02:53:02,670
as his replacement.

2950
02:53:06,900 --> 02:53:08,640
John C Dvorak: Who's Queen
Ursula? Yes.

2951
02:53:08,670 --> 02:53:10,620
Unknown: Nailed it. No, yes.

2952
02:53:10,710 --> 02:53:12,390
John C Dvorak: I just guessed
that. Well,

2953
02:53:12,420 --> 02:53:15,150
Unknown: it makes sense because
you know, the Pfizer text

2954
02:53:15,150 --> 02:53:18,030
messages and is it Neo so much?
She's looking a little ragged,

2955
02:53:18,030 --> 02:53:22,950
too much controversy. She's
tainted as and maybe France

2956
02:53:22,950 --> 02:53:27,150
Timmermans. My guy can become
the new queen over there. per m

2957
02:53:27,150 --> 02:53:30,330
she can become the new NATO
chief. They're talking about

2958
02:53:30,330 --> 02:53:32,490
that. I think she'd be perfect
for that.

2959
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:36,810
John C Dvorak: Oh, God. Yes.

2960
02:53:37,020 --> 02:53:38,310
Unknown: Don't you think she'd
be great?

2961
02:53:38,789 --> 02:53:41,969
John C Dvorak: For she looks
like a type. Anyway. All right.

2962
02:53:41,969 --> 02:53:45,209
I got one last clip. Let me
finish. Oh, yeah, more.

2963
02:53:45,779 --> 02:53:47,879
Unknown: Yeah, I was gonna I was
going to do this one because

2964
02:53:47,909 --> 02:53:52,319
I've had this on my list for
weeks. weeks. We have not talked

2965
02:53:52,319 --> 02:53:56,399
about it. I finally there was a
I think there's a CNBC interview

2966
02:53:56,699 --> 02:54:01,319
with Jamie Dimon about this
lawsuit, this Epstein lawsuit,

2967
02:54:01,889 --> 02:54:05,759
which is taking place in the US
Virgin Islands. And here's a

2968
02:54:05,759 --> 02:54:08,459
short into very short interview
about it

2969
02:54:08,460 --> 02:54:11,850
five years and that is Jeffrey
Epstein. JPMorgan is being sued

2970
02:54:11,850 --> 02:54:15,240
now by the US Virgin Islands.
They're alleging that your bank

2971
02:54:15,240 --> 02:54:18,690
helped facilitate payments
Epstein's victims and benefited

2972
02:54:18,690 --> 02:54:21,960
from human trafficking while
ignoring warnings. Do those

2973
02:54:21,960 --> 02:54:23,280
allegations have merit?

2974
02:54:23,640 --> 02:54:28,050
I cannot talk about current
litigation except to say that

2975
02:54:28,050 --> 02:54:31,170
whenever these things come up,
we have some of the best lawyers

2976
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:35,160
in the world compliance out of
the DOJ out of sec and fourth

2977
02:54:35,190 --> 02:54:38,760
divisions who review all of
these things and make decisions

2978
02:54:38,820 --> 02:54:41,490
at the time based on what they
know. As best as they know.

2979
02:54:42,120 --> 02:54:42,480
You're

2980
02:54:42,480 --> 02:54:45,690
gonna be deposed. We've learned
now in this case in the spring

2981
02:54:45,720 --> 02:54:48,660
in retrospect, Jamie, do you
think JP Morgan should have

2982
02:54:49,320 --> 02:54:52,380
acted more quickly after Epstein
pleaded guilty to one of these

2983
02:54:52,380 --> 02:54:55,470
charges in 2008? Because he was
her client for five more years,

2984
02:54:56,010 --> 02:54:57,420
is a fabulous gift.

2985
02:54:57,900 --> 02:55:00,420
What I liked about this clip is
that he just says hey, We've got

2986
02:55:00,420 --> 02:55:02,670
the best bid we hire all the
best people right out of the

2987
02:55:02,670 --> 02:55:05,280
government agencies after they
did all our bidding. We give

2988
02:55:05,280 --> 02:55:08,850
them great jobs here and they're
the best people. We got all the

2989
02:55:08,850 --> 02:55:11,760
best people. Yeah, it's so sick.

2990
02:55:12,750 --> 02:55:14,820
John C Dvorak: Yeah do is
actually what he did. There was

2991
02:55:14,820 --> 02:55:20,070
also send the message out. Mm
hmm. You know, Rob bar, you

2992
02:55:20,070 --> 02:55:23,100
know, you give us a little
rubber doctor, you're gonna get

2993
02:55:23,100 --> 02:55:25,350
paid, you're gonna get repaid.
Don't worry about it. Rubber

2994
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:26,220
money.

2995
02:55:26,670 --> 02:55:27,720
Unknown: You'll be fine. You'll
be good.

2996
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:29,670
John C Dvorak: You get your kick
back. Don't worry about it. So

2997
02:55:29,670 --> 02:55:30,180
good.

2998
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:31,350
Unknown: All right, last clip
for you.

2999
02:55:32,010 --> 02:55:38,280
John C Dvorak: All right. This
is a Biden clip. Here. Okay,

3000
02:55:38,280 --> 02:55:42,480
here's Biden mumbling something
about something and he's dead.

3001
02:55:42,480 --> 02:55:44,130
He's gonna lick the world.

3002
02:55:44,279 --> 02:55:46,559
Unknown: There's nothing our
nations can achieve if we do it

3003
02:55:46,559 --> 02:55:50,249
together. I really mean it. So
thank you all God Bless You All

3004
02:55:50,249 --> 02:55:58,469
Let's go. Let's go like the
world he really did

3005
02:55:58,470 --> 02:56:01,050
say like the world didn't he?
Yeah,

3006
02:56:01,050 --> 02:56:06,510
let's go like go Lick.

3007
02:56:08,850 --> 02:56:13,080
Lick the world. That is. Thanks,
John. That's something I can

3008
02:56:13,080 --> 02:56:20,040
never unhear now. It's perfect.
Perfect. I everybody. That is

3009
02:56:20,040 --> 02:56:23,220
your deconstruction for today.
Make sure you send in those

3010
02:56:23,220 --> 02:56:27,870
boots on the ground reports. We
appreciate that. Also, remember

3011
02:56:27,870 --> 02:56:32,670
that we'll be here on Thursday.
And I will have a 420 That's

3012
02:56:32,670 --> 02:56:37,650
420. By will have a detailed
reports from the meet up in

3013
02:56:37,650 --> 02:56:41,250
Nashville. Very excited about
going there should be a good

3014
02:56:41,250 --> 02:56:43,950
one. Coming to you from the
heart of the Texas hill country

3015
02:56:43,950 --> 02:56:47,820
here in FEMA Region number six.
In the morning, everybody. I'm

3016
02:56:47,820 --> 02:56:48,510
Adam curry

3017
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:51,450
John C Dvorak: in from Northern
Silicon Valley where I remained

3018
02:56:51,450 --> 02:56:52,440
on Jhansi Dvorak

3019
02:56:52,470 --> 02:56:55,680
Unknown: we return on Thursday.
Please remember us at the

3020
02:56:55,680 --> 02:57:02,160
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3021
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:06,780
it any longer? And of show mixes
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3022
02:57:06,780 --> 02:57:11,760
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3023
02:57:11,760 --> 02:57:15,600
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3025
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until Thursday, adios mofos Hui
Hui and

3026
02:57:29,970 --> 02:57:36,480
sis gender dysphoria. I don't
know what all that means.

3027
02:57:37,710 --> 02:57:42,540
There aren't sis kids. Since
this is the delusion sis ness is

3028
02:57:42,540 --> 02:57:47,670
the lie. You force it on them.
Trans this is what we actually

3029
02:57:47,670 --> 02:57:48,900
are we are fluid.

3030
02:57:49,710 --> 02:57:51,840
I really don't know what all
that means.

3031
02:57:52,679 --> 02:57:58,079
We are God God is change God is
trans. The Lord rebuke you

3032
02:57:58,079 --> 02:58:06,089
Satan. God is trans God is trans
God is trans the LORD

3033
02:58:06,120 --> 02:58:11,310
rebuke you Satan and all of your
demons and all of your hips.

3034
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:17,430
We're saying be whatever you are
baby demons and demons and

3035
02:58:18,840 --> 02:58:21,840
demons and demons in

3036
02:58:23,160 --> 02:58:27,060
the free be water be like the
sky because

3037
02:58:27,510 --> 02:58:32,670
guess what? Guess what? Guess
what? Guess what? That's what we

3038
02:58:32,670 --> 02:58:35,190
actually are donate donate
donate

3039
02:58:45,450 --> 02:58:54,840
node node node node for dotard
slash in a node node one node

3040
02:58:54,840 --> 02:58:55,440
slash in

3041
02:59:01,410 --> 02:59:04,440
person I believe in a One China
policy but I would be willing to

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fight for Taiwan

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at the end of the day, but
ClearQuest at the end of the

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day, go to the lengths of
setting up the server in Israel

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today she should have been the
opposite what

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have you

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been Secretary now they're
classified with just five

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whatever class five when

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Have you ever been secretary?

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MoPhO boruch.org/in A What the
hell was that?