John C. Dvorak: You're hurting me.
Unknown: Adam curry John C Dvorak,
Adam Curry: Sunday, June 16 2019. This is your award
winning keep on nation media assassination episode 1147
Unknown: is no agenda,
Adam Curry: spelunking. The echo chambers of media and
broadcasting live from the Titanic hotel in Belfast, home
to conspiracy theories since 1912. In the morning, everybody,
I'm Adam curry
John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where
I'm still waiting in line at Target, I'm John C Dvorak
Unknown: and buzzkill
Adam Curry: Boom shakalaka Hey, John, glitch oh don't eat Don't
even start with that. I do now many people will email me and
tweet me when something like that. Oh, and I have the clip
here.
Unknown: Trouble at Target today register to set stores worldwide
were down due to a technical glitch. The glitch prevented
cashiers from scanning merchandise causing massive
lines and it stores worldwide frustrating shoppers. The
company closed some stores rather than risk further
aggravating people. Target says the outage lasted about two
hours and blamed the problem on a quote internal technology
issue.
We were just shopping around and there was an overhead and all
the systems were down in target they were gonna nobody can buy
anything. So they're gonna close the
store. Target says the glitch was not a data breach.
information was compromised it was
Adam Curry: a double glitch. Not just one glitch at the beginning
but two glitches in the report completely unacceptable
reporting we'll just seconder Professor we we fixed the glitch
is oh lame AP Associated Press lead lead lead off their
reporting of this with a glitch that's the first two words in
their reporting. I'd like to know what actually happened
Target has had a lot of issues with
John C. Dvorak: their systems got a huge IT problem. And it
doesn't make sense that the whole system would go down
doesn't have like local backups or any way of doing anything.
Adam Curry: Crazy. It makes sense to you crazy idea. Could
anyone pay with cash? Yeah, I get I don't think so. I don't
think they were
John C. Dvorak: you did I don't have a little you'd write it up?
Adam Curry: I don't think so.
John C. Dvorak: I don't think so. Using a pen you know pen on
a piece of paper. Oh, no, no, I don't think so. Calculator.
Adam Curry: People have no idea tire world.
John C. Dvorak: Target is closed just on a banker's holiday kind
of thing.
Adam Curry: It is people have it's cute now and it's still
cute when you call it a glitch and oh, well, we didn't know
what to do. We were just wandering around for two hours.
We couldn't buy anything. Wait until something really good
happens. And then people will be like, Well, what is this is the
word glitch lien mumbled or something more, we should look
at the interesting Jeopardy episode the other day.
Unknown: The category for final today is word history players.
Here's your clue. This word for a bug or malfunction was
popularized in the 1962 book into orbit by the Mercury
astronauts. 30 seconds. Good
Adam Curry: luck. Oh my goodness. What could it be? Let
me think for a second a bug mercury. So I don't know. Let's
go to the answers. Ally. Please let me know.
Unknown: Jim, you're smiling. Why is that you couldn't come up
with anything. So what did you write down? What is FUBAR? Okay,
it's 4200 that drops you down to 6600. Let's go to the middle
now. Adrian Griffin. She had 12,700. Her response was the
correct one. What is a glitch? John Glenn came up with that
word and you almost double your score. Oh,
Adam Curry: wonderful.
John C. Dvorak: John Glenn. Yes. He
Adam Curry: used to blame. He's to blame. I realize that.
John C. Dvorak: I don't. I'm wondering if it's true.
Adam Curry: Oh, you questioned the Jeopardy?
John C. Dvorak: Yes, I do at this point. Oh, my goodness. I
don't question the way they phrased that. That. The way they
phrased that answer our question, do you have to ask it
as a brother, whatever. It may be fine, but I'm not sure the
genesis of the word glitch comes from somebody just making it up
out of the blue. Oh, that's I don't know. I will dig into
Adam Curry: but regardless, regardless when it comes to
reporting to news, this is just not in today's world. This is no
longer acceptable as news reporting you need to give they
could have at least said it was the point of sale system it was
they could have given us some information. It's just a glitch.
And then Ah, whatever. And these glitches they're going to ruin
your life because
John C. Dvorak: we've got too many glitches and and this
situation with target and the whole world wide. goes down. Do
we have any IT guys I think we have a few guys Eight dudes
named Ben. Yeah, someone's gonna maybe help us out here. So he's
got to have some ideas. Somebody has to actually somebody in our
audience knows what happened. Yes.
Adam Curry: And they should be telling us they should be
sharing that information with us. Well, I've had a lot of
glitches in the past 48 hours, as we were in about two hours
from Belfast, two hours north, north north Northern Ireland, at
a wedding destination, the Belle Isle Castle, where we were a
guests.
John C. Dvorak: And was the castle that was having the
wedding. Yes, the
Adam Curry: castle that was having the women moving into the
castle. No, it was the castle that had the wedding. Oh, and I
and we were supposed to be there for me to do the show today. And
it would have been really cool. And of course, they, you know,
I, I did some scouting ahead and made sure I got multiple
confirmations, the Wi Fi is outstanding. And indeed, the Wi
Fi was outstanding. The problem was the connection to the
internet from the Wi Fi. Castle was just in like an no gozone
They have there's no wired internet, they literally had an
antenna on the roof, getting the Wi Fi their internet signal. I
think it might have been Yeah, like some wi MAX type misled, a
little bit misled,
John C. Dvorak: that somebody says is the Wi Fi any good?
Yeah, if the wife doesn't, we're not talking about the signal
strength of the actual Wi Fi we're talking about is
connectivity to the internet. And that's the whole well as
Adam Curry: well. But it is a misnomer because you know, as
I'm troubleshooting this then you know Tina would look at her
stuff. She said well, I got full I got full signal here. And of
course, you know, the Wi Fi was outstanding. They had a great Wi
Fi system with repeaters everywhere. You could walk all
over the ground, you had Wi Fi, it just wouldn't it would drop
the connection to the internet. So we decided instead of staying
the extra day, we got a crack of dawn and drove to Belfast and
and kind of just got the first hotel that I knew would because
it's a business center business area. And it's the Titanic hotel
in Belfast, which is where the Titanic was built. Ah. Oh, okay.
Yeah, it's this is the were the White Star Shipping line. And
also of course, the was at the Olympia what was the ship that
was act that actually sank? You know, the old switcheroo was
with the Olympia.
John C. Dvorak: The Olympia was the hospital ship. The carbon
copy of
Adam Curry: the Yeah, the carbon copy the one that was supposed
to sing or whatever it was I I forget. I forget the complete
conspiracy theory.
John C. Dvorak: I've never heard this. This.
Adam Curry: Oh, you've never heard this. Oh, no. Well, it's
even better because this hotel is very modern. And there's an
expo center as a whole business center. They still build
something here with ships. But what is is the pure attraction
is the Titanic studios that are located right here. And do you
know what they shoot in the Titanic studios?
John C. Dvorak: Newbies
Adam Curry: Game of Thrones.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, okay. So there's this I would pack them
in?
Adam Curry: Oh, my goodness. There's Game of Thrones, you
know, tours and then expert. Yeah, look at this. God, check
that out. It's only 140 pounds of what? So needless to say, we
are not going to check out the the Game of Thrones Expo. But
the Wi Fi. The Wi Fi is great. And it connects to the internet.
So I'm very, very happy. Very happy. Sounds good? Yes. And
anyway, we did have a wonderful time was it was great. Up in the
island. It was nice to be in the fresh air. I do have to say a
couple of things about leaving London. Before we before we
left, was that Monday, I know what they are we now know
Friday. God wouldn't we get the show Thursday, Friday. Before we
left, we did a little walk around. We had some time to
basically to walk towards past Hyde Park up to Buckingham
Palace. And I was very excited to show Tina something that I
recall seeing when I was 15 years old when I went to London
for the first time with my dad. And that was Speaker's Corner.
Okay, Speaker's Corner is empty. Yeah, there's no one there. No
one speaks anymore on Speaker's Corner. Here's what this is.
It's like It's legendary. Isn't there supposed to be this
Speaker's Corner is
John C. Dvorak: the one it's not even a soapbox. It used to be
there. Now.
Adam Curry: Now it's kind of a monument and it explains that in
1100 something rather they used to do public hangings there,
which just a small step from a public hanging to free speech,
it's about the same. And this became the place where you could
exercise free speech. And I think it's still the only place
in the UK where you actually can exercise 100% free speech,
because they don't have a constitution where this is
protected. As far as I know, they have Magna Carta, but it's
not explicitly spelled out that the government cannot make any
rules against the freedom of speech or freedom of the press,
which is what we have in the United States. So yeah, and
people just given up. They don't even go there anymore.
John C. Dvorak: You went, you took her over there. Yeah.
Adam Curry: I wanted to look the Speaker's Corner so
John C. Dvorak: deep. Some people show up for their well,
Adam Curry: and it was disappointing. What was
fantastic, is we took a cab back from the London Eye to go get
our suitcases
John C. Dvorak: didn't go into London. It was sure did an hour.
What do you mean an hour? Isn't an hour to go around that thing?
Adam Curry: No, it's like 20 minutes. 25 minutes? No, this is
a nice photo op teen has never been to London so it's perfect.
Photo, view the city, although there's new buildings like the
shard it's just that this is the tall building. It looks like
glass shards. That's no escaping the gherkin.
John C. Dvorak: was called the gherkin. Yeah, the Gherkin
Adam Curry: was behind is behind it. You can't see the Gherkin is
John C. Dvorak: a shame that should have blocked the building
of the new building.
Adam Curry: So we went to we took a cab back and of course,
I'm not going to take any Ubers while I'm in London, you take a
proper British cab. And if you've never been in a British
cab, it's it's it's an interesting experience. Because
the cabbie sits up front here, obviously, he's kind of
isolated, but he has an intercom system. And there's lights
everywhere it says, Oh, and this red light is on then the cabbie
can hear you and then he can speak back to you. And, you
know, he had his windows were open out and it was difficult
hearing him cuz it's just so it's like a kind of a no, but
there was a telegraph gag, but there was a telecoil logo in the
cab and I've never used this. So I switched my hearing aids to
telecoil, which is this induction based system, where
just a wire in the cab will beam the audio into the hearing aids
and it worked really well. It was it was like magical. Like,
oh, all of a sudden the guy's broadcasting right into my head.
Hmm, yeah, it's really and now it's like movie theaters. I'm
I'm switching that man in an elevator. Oh, telecoil let me
turn it off.
John C. Dvorak: I've never heard it this. Oh, well.
Adam Curry: You've seen the logos you'll see him on ATM.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, but I paid zero attention obviously. Yeah,
it's
Adam Curry: a it's a loop system induction loop.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I know how to.
Adam Curry: Not everybody knows how it works.
John C. Dvorak: I'm kind of surprised that these exist.
Well, they
Adam Curry: exist everywhere. Now. Now now that I've noticed
one like, oh, this stuff is showing up everywhere. But it
works really well which was the surprising part like this will
never work. But yeah, sure, sure enough and that you if you move
your head a little forward, then it would fade out you know, you
have to kind of be in the right spot, but they worked was nice.
Which was a good feeling for what came next which was the
Gitmo nation trip through easy jets. backdrop and boarding
system. Holy crap, it's gotten really bad. I shall explain. Now
easy jet is is I love EasyJet I've always liked it. I've
always liked their prices. I like I don't know if Stavos
where the guy's name is if the Greek guy if he still owns it,
runs it, whatever. But I've always liked their vibe. Kind of
like Southwest which I also like although you can reserve your
your seats. But you can no longer check in at the airport
you have to check in online, which is for me was problem
number one, because the way they asked you to do this is to
download their app on your smartphone. No, I don't have an
app and I don't have a smartphone. So the next thing
you can do is you can print it out and take it with you which
in a hotel involves because the hotels don't seem to have
printers anymore, or business centers you have to email it to
the front desk notice this too. Why is this this is some this is
not a good development in my opinion.
John C. Dvorak: I don't know why. I mean maybe people have
been abusing it or they've been wrecking the good year or I'm
kind of baffled by it myself. And that I mean some hotels
obviously still do. I'm not everybody's bailout. But I think
people just don't have like, oh, there's a computer over there
and then you go over there doesn't work.
Adam Curry: All right. I think that people don't have
requirements for printing anything anymore. Everything's
digital. Just wait until the glitches start to happen people
all right
John C. Dvorak: there yet this is good point paperless this
before, you know what, there'll be no toilet, people flashing
their phones, they put the little boarding pass on their
phone and they go underneath the light and it seems to work a lot
did it doesn't work for some people and I find it to be
risky. Well, personally
Adam Curry: Well, so here's the process. So had it printed out.
And by the way, you know, Tina has has her her iPhone with her
which she needs for for work purposes, but she refuses to
download any app from some some outfit and put the EasyJet app
on your phone the apps that the is where all the spying takes
place. So print out the boarding passes, and then we go to
EasyJet. EasyJet has a new system where you drop your bag,
but you can't just drop your bag. Oh, no, you need to put
your passport in first. So it can scan your passport, then you
put the bags on, then it says look here scans your face. So
now he's made the connection between your passport official
document photo and your face. So thank you very much. Now you're
in the system. And then you go to the boarding gates, you go
through the security, which I have to say security was
reasonably easy or at least pleasant. So they had to open up
all my bags as usual because, you know, hey, looks like that
guy's got a vibrator in there.
John C. Dvorak: Let's get it's embarrassing.
Adam Curry: It's always the microphone. And then you go to
your gate. There's no more gate check in, there's no person. You
go through another scanner where you scan your boarding card,
your boarding pass or my printed boarding pass in this case. And
again, it has to identify that you're the one and it takes
another picture of you fit another facial recognition shot
and then you just walk onto the plane. So now my face my you
know connected to my passport is in the system. And no one asked
me that there's no disclaimer, there's no Hey, just just so you
know, here's we're gonna use terms and conditions. None of
that.
John C. Dvorak: Did you think of making a goofy face? Yeah.
Adam Curry: And you know, at first I had my glasses on, and
then it wouldn't do anything. It just sat there. And this the way
the camera works, it's on it's on a pole, and it will
automatically slide up to your eye height. And it's an flashes
like Look here look here slave look here. And then it says look
again, keep looking. And nothing's happening. And some
you know, someone apparently minding the process as Take off
your glasses. You take your glasses off and then then it
finally figured out who I was. Now if you can make you can make
all the stupid faces you want but it won't connect you to the
what it has in its system, which is based on your passport photo.
John C. Dvorak: So it's like well, this is a lousy system.
I've gone through these systems and if you're wearing glasses,
it shouldn't make a difference.
Adam Curry: No doesn't work at all.
John C. Dvorak: That's that's a cheap ass system you're using
Adam Curry: so I look this up and this is from the UK this
implementation. Let me see here's Gatwick Airport and
EasyJet. This is from Mays was a year ago launched biometric
technology trial. And Gatwick Airport has launched an end to
end biometrics trial where personal data collected at the
airports self service backdrops will be recognized by new
automated self boarding gates that technology aims to simplify
and speed up the process for passengers and reduce the risk
of human error and again there's no real you know, where's my
where's my general data protection rules and you know,
where do I get to opt in where do I get the say I agree to this
egregious egregious process. Yeah, and so if this is now how
they are going to help you travel help you travel wait for
the glitch, bitch yeah, the wait for the glitch bitch
John C. Dvorak: all of target down world
Adam Curry: was gonna screw up your travel like no one else's
business. It won't take much. Especially with
John C. Dvorak: a little camera at the end before the gate.
Yeah. So you put you're standing there. This is Cameron a first
year in the queue, you're in the queue. Here's a cue cue. But the
cameras do first thing goes and looks at and then they go in now
you walk
Adam Curry: no, you walk. No, no, no, you walk up to the
there's like a gate. You know like get like a sheep before you
get the probe in your neck to the slaughter gate. The Yeah. So
then first you have to put your boarding pass or your phone, I
guess. But I had the printed boarding pass on the scanner,
and then it goes, Okay, this is who this has to be. And then the
camera directs you to look at it. And then it makes the
connection that you were the guy who dropped the bag off under
this boarding pass and you are the guy who dropped the bag off
who is this person on your passport?
John C. Dvorak: Which is and then what?
Adam Curry: And then it opens and then you can get on? Oh,
there's something that opens? Oh, yeah, it's just like, you
just can't you barely know you know, the tube. Where you get
off the tube. This is another thing people may not know if you
travel by train in the United Kingdom, and you buy your
ticket. Don't discard the ticket after it's been checked on the
train. This is a mistake. This is a travel tip. People do this
often. Because in in most normal countries by Okay, I'm done. I
got a check. And you just don't you forget about it. You cannot
get out of the train station. There's turnstiles that will
prohibit you from leaving unless you insert your ticket which you
just use for your trip then it will let you out.
John C. Dvorak: Yes, like Bart,
Adam Curry: does Bart have that?
John C. Dvorak: Wow. Okay. You have to Yeah, but you could
check in with the thing and then you check out with the thing.
Adam Curry: Right and I understand when people are
checking in checking out with their with a pass like an easy
rail pass that is touched to identify this is a paper a paper
ticket.
John C. Dvorak: Yes. Same with the original Bart a little paper
thing and go in.
Adam Curry: So the same, the same type of slaughter gate is
what you have to go to the airplane it will not open until
it's approved you until it's approved. Yo. It just really
irked me it really pissed me off. Did not like this at all.
John C. Dvorak: Well, it's not gonna get any better. So you're
going to just get more and more irked? Yes, no,
Adam Curry: I just find that. And I'm sure that you know, this
is what the TSA is talking about. But it's the airline
that's doing this. That's the part. This is a commercial
company who now has all my biometrics or certainly some
biometrics. Yeah, what I don't like it. And nowhere do I see it
and oh, don't worry, we'll take care of it. Could they could get
hacked to hack my face.
John C. Dvorak: Well, let's see. You could do next step, of
course will be your Have you had to put your palm down in this
scan your hand. Oh, yeah. Well, in addition to your
Adam Curry: before, before we get to the actual game class,
your face before we get to know before we get to the the chip
implant, we have to do the palm. Yeah. That's the next could hack
John C. Dvorak: your face and to be some phony baloney out there
this potent, you know, somehow the, I think you could pry it
seems to me, there are there are a finite point number of points
that are checked on the face when they do the face facial
recognition software, and there's probably a way of
gobbing somebody up was with paint and pieces of clay and,
and whatever, you get the exact same number.
Adam Curry: Well, don't you think? No, no, no, no, I think I
think facial recognition is pretty advanced. And I think
that I think these guys have got it down. And that
John C. Dvorak: you can check it.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, how long is it going to last is giving
that up? Here's my point. In the past week, we've heard about
multiple airlines grounding their flights because their that
transponder systems were not working. They could not acquire
a GPS signal. What had happened is aircraft outfitted with
Collins ADSB navigation and transponder equipment received
an over the air update which bricked their what didn't break
it, but broke their system date. Yeah. So So that's just one
example of a glitch reported as such a glitch that that ruined
people's air travel, then you have Target, Target glitch
ruined your purchasing process. Just wait until something
happens to the facial recognition database at your
favorite airline. These things will stack up it's going to be
like dominoes. I can't understand why people don't see
that this is just prone for badness, bad, bad, bad
experience. It
John C. Dvorak: doesn't take a genius to figure that out. But I
think the big glitch, the major glitch, the Whopper is going to
supersede everything you said and that is the automated update
of Windows Windows. Yeah, that brings down
Adam Curry: everything that's the mother lode that's the one
we've been waiting for. Of course, it's gonna happen.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course. When I remember when
this began, just as little story here, all right. This was during
the era of MSN when Microsoft decided to compete with AOL. And
they came with their product. MSN was very slowly deteriorated
and all sorts of things. It wasn't supposed to be supposed
to be an AOL clone. But it was poorly done and poorly
implemented. And no, but not well thought out. It was dumb in
every way. But Microsoft was hoping to they were, they kept
watching how AOL did these automatic updates. Because AOL
would do that. They were just all of a sudden they just update
and they would, you'd had no control over this. You couldn't
stop it. You couldn't wait. You couldn't see. I'll do it
tomorrow. You couldn't do it? Right.
Adam Curry: Right, right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, I remember
that. Yeah, it would take hours sometimes, especially if you
hadn't if you hadn't logged on in a while.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, Mike looked at this and said, you
know, our life would be so much easier when it's supported if we
everybody was on the exact same version. So if we could do what
AOL does, and they were always jealous of AOL. And they've been
trying to get to that point where they could do a deep dive.
And they just thought it was a means to an end, right to do
these automatic updates. And they do them kind of now, but
they kind of spread them out a little bit. And they used to be
Patch Tuesday, which has now devolved into whatever the hell
it is. I don't even know what they're doing. But they want to
do this. So one of these days, that's going to happen they're
going to do they're going to have the be all end off
Microsoft patch. And it's gonna bring every
Adam Curry: great country people Yeah, the world country, the
world world, the world,
John C. Dvorak: the entire world will go down.
Adam Curry: Just along these lines, I happen to have two
clips from Amazon. And the first is with their chief technology
officer who I know Verner fulfils because he's a Dutch
guy, and he's a really nice guy. But here he is defending facial
recognition, their technology, which as we know, is being used
quite extensively in many of their products, their what's
their their Alexa video thing? And of course, the ring
doorbell. And, but it's great,
I don't think we're pushing it. I think we're building we have
built a really great product.
And you know, I liked the guy, it's so hard for me not to make
furniture for how he's speaking because it's just fucking funny
how he does that. But anyway, let's go on pushing it,
I think we're building we have built a really great product.
And it's up for our customers to start designing whether they
want to use the product or not. All of this comes down to how to
fine tune the model. Yeah, and if customers are actually having
a particular data set, and really tune the model really
well can work with about,
Unknown: I think, somewhat look at the tuning of the technology,
as a part of the process that right now is hurting certain
people's in individual rights. And if police forces are using
your technology, and it's not fully ready as you yourself just
destroyed. Is tuning the technology worth it? If that's
what it means to people with real people
Adam Curry: in the world. That's not my decision to make some
pips somebody might think it would be Amazon. No, I think
providing that we've got, I mean, let's say your storage
engine can be used by by for very good use can be used by by
let's say bad actors equally, doesn't mean we should not be
offering storage technology. Now, I mean, the fact that this
technology has been used for goods in many places, it's in
society's direction to actually decide which technology is
applicable under which conditions and as such it's a
societal this dis discourse and decision and policymaking that
needs to happen there to decide where can you apply which tech
technologies if I think about the simple answer this if you
look at steel, very massive steel mills they build
incubators very very young born babies get kept being healthy
and we also make guns we steal a society we decide whether it's
acceptable use and what is not.
And that's pretty much the responsibility that Silicon
Valley takes over what they create a society's problem not
RST, we make steel. We just make steel. You can make a gun out of
it. Whenever you want. incubator. A fan reprehensible
is very cavalier is absolutely true. That's Cavalier, though
it's Cavalier. Of course it is Cavalier when you're making
John C. Dvorak: money hand over fist, yeah. Right. The Cavalier
and that's what you do
Adam Curry: speaking of your your architecture that couldn't
survive a glitch Holy crap, famous on Web Services goes
down. You're gonna kiss a lot. Goodbye. Quite a lot.
John C. Dvorak: I believe that I'm, I believe, I don't know. I
believe you should
Adam Curry: say I do believe.
John C. Dvorak: I do believe that. I do believe that. That
Amazon is was architected with a lot of redundancy that make it
almost impossible for the whole thing to go down. Sure, it
caused this kind of problem, which is different than
Microsoft, breaking all the Windows machines out in the
world because nobody's, there's no, I don't have a redundant
way, I have a couple of Windows machines. And I could easily
take, I could like, get one bricked and then take the other
ones offline. If I came to the realization what was going on,
which I probably wouldn't be dicking around trying to fix it.
And I could use the machines that while they were not go to
the internet, but I don't see any way there's no redundancy
the way that a big central system would have or should have
and I'm sure has some that I'm less concerned about AWS than I
am about these windows updates.
Adam Curry: Well, well, while I believe I do believe, I do
believe that government governments should be very
involved with this technology and looking very closely at how
it's being used and what the implications are. And perhaps
Perhaps there's some things that should be legislated. I
definitely am concerned about data theft theft of my face face
theft. So when hacks if I could just steal my face and then use
that everywhere you know, who knows we're just beginning with
this. Now instead everyone's all jacked up and Jide about deep
fakes and I need to really call out NPR and maybe I'm just maybe
it's just me like no it's not listen to this story. Now we
have to government officials we got Warner calling for
legislation of deep fakes and I think Schiff is more
interesting. And this is a report from NPR and listened
very carefully. This NPR still radio right? It's not it's not
video is radio.
John C. Dvorak: Yes. Still radio and it's never it's podcasting
and radio, which is repurposed radio.
Adam Curry: Well listen to this story.
Unknown: What you will hear next was never actually said, it
looks like a Facebook office. It looks like Mark Zuckerberg
giving an interview. It looks like his mouth is moving along
with the words.
Imagine this for a second one man with total control of
billions of people stolen data, all their secrets, their lives,
their futures,
but that wasn't the founder of Facebook. Okay,
Adam Curry: so the rest of the story I want to play. But I do
not understand how when you're listening to something you can
say that this sounds like Mark Zuckerberg, because it does not
you played a deep fake the other day. And now that play that that
exact one,
John C. Dvorak: right? So
Adam Curry: let me play
Unknown: Zuckerberg now at the same time. It's important not to
lose sight of some of the more straightforward and and larger
ways that Facebook plays a role in elections. How
Adam Curry: the hell does that sound like this?
Imagine this for a second one man with not
even the right inflection total control.
John C. Dvorak: The elections are wrong. It's everything's
wrong. There's a little I know what were the connection is, I
think when you
Adam Curry: see the video people goes, it's like when we look at
CSI, and we hear about about cineleisure. I know, but I want
to say it again.
John C. Dvorak: But let me just say something, which is I think
dig dig. There's a little gravelly aspect to His voice and
I think they captured that
Adam Curry: not even fucking close snarls,
John C. Dvorak: but he'll just think it's not even in the same.
No, it's not
Adam Curry: in the same league at all. When you see the video.
Apparently NPR gets as stupid as everybody else. Oh, that must be
Zuckerberg. It's not. There are voice actors who do a better job
than this.
John C. Dvorak: I would agree. Well, that's true. In fact, one
of the Obama one that is floating around was actually
done by Peele, they the same? Yeah, sure, sure. He just did.
He does a good impression of Obama. And he just they just
made Obama's mouth move around a little differently, which was
pretty poorly done. And he did voice and it sounded odd.
There's Obama. But that could be actually both of these could
make if you went through one of those voice systems DAC, and one
of these reporters hasn't done this.
Adam Curry: Thank you. Here's my point. As we deconstruct this,
how is it possible that NPR does a minute and a half report and
replay the whole report that does that? No one thought to
listen to what Zuckerberg sounds like, because it's not him. And
this, oh my god, it's machine learning and all kinds of deep
fakes. It's amazing. I can't believe it's so realistic. It's
not realistic. You can get this probably 100 100 people you
could hire to do a better job for your deep fake. But now
somehow, this is illusion being created, which we need to
legislate clearly that machine learning can create deep fakes.
Again, the real Zuckerberg,
Unknown: these effects operated much larger scales of 100 times,
or 1000 times bigger than what we're discussing here today. And
here's the deep fake thing along with the words.
Imagine this for a second, one man with total control of
billions of people's stolen data, all their secrets, their
lives, their futures.
Many of these dynamics were new in this election, and at a much
larger scale than had ever been seen before it history wasn't
the founder of Facebook, it was instead a deep fake created by
an artist in the UK and posted on Instagram. This technology is
quickly becoming a national security concern. Oh shit. The
House Intelligence Committee held a hearing Thursday, warning
of the threat
John C. Dvorak: was sufficient training data. These powerful
deep fake generating algorithms can portray a real person doing
something they never did, or saying words they never uttered.
Unknown: That's Committee Chairman Adam Schiff. The
disaster scenarios are obvious. A deep fakes showing a 2020
candidate inciting violence against an ethnic group, or
false audio of a military official giving orders to mass
troops at a border.
Adam Curry: How come no one ever said oh my goodness, a voice
actor could do this. Oh, we need laws against acting.
Unknown: There is no easy solution. Up until now, social
media companies have a general legal immunity to content posted
on their platform. But that may be changing to this question
from Schiff
is a time to do away with that immunity so that the platforms
are required to maintain a certain standard of care.
Any effort addressing the threat of deep fakes, their standard of
care involves increasing dopamine.
Adam Curry: Well, you'll hear you'll hear it, they've actually
make an interesting point
John C. Dvorak: without immunity so that the platform is required
to maintain a certain standard of care.
Unknown: Any effort addressing the threat of deep fakes
involves increasing public awareness. But even this poses a
problem. It's called the liars dividend. Here's Citron
explaining what that is,
once you get everyone all educated, then you have
wrongdoers point to real video, genuine audio and video that
show them doing something illegal or wrong, right. And
they get to say ads and deep fake pay no attention.
These technologies are evolving rapidly to the point that almost
anyone can use it. Here's Lindsey Gorman, the fellow for
emerging technologies at the Alliance for securing democracy,
what used to be something that was available only to
sophisticated machine learning is now becoming available to the
general public. So
as the witnesses to Thursday's committee hearing a test, it may
only be a matter of time until deep fakes affect our politics
and our national security.
Adam Curry: I mean, it's just so it's so ludicrous. And that NPR
and audio programming outfit, says, Oh, my goodness, that's
just like Zuckerberg, can't you hear it? I mean, how
John C. Dvorak: here's another these guy I don't understand if
you're going to do a long report like this and look into this and
be especially if you're going to be panicky and hand wringing and
sounding like an old woman of why you don't bring it aren't
journalists? I'm asking you I should I can answer this. Why
aren't journalists doing what you're supposed to do which is
have competing opinions here's the yes the no and the maybe,
and had bringing bring out the guy who's a voice Graham guy or
guy can run it through a machine and say this is clearly not
Zuckerberg voice. Problem solved.
Adam Curry: We noticed that video had taken over people's
brains many years ago. We used it we don't do it anymore. I
just have just grabbed one a 22nd clip. We used to play clips
called bad acting clips. We take you John in particular, you take
a clip from a television show CSI as an example. And you just
listen to the audio and then you hear how bad the acting is. I
can't you just love her.
Unknown: She's so easy to love.
You know nothing about my daughter. You hear me? Nothing.
I know that she is good and strong. And deserves all the
love this world has to give. Can't you see that?
Adam Curry: Sounds so believable. I mean, that is
totally great. That's Emmy award winning shit right there ladies
and gentlemen. People are losing the ability to hear and anyway,
Warner Senator right Senator Warner yeah believes he ties
this deep fake thing into PA we need to legislate because this
is about legislating. Now they're only saying social
media. I have no idea where you probably would want to think
about legislating the technology but okay, and I guess social
media If they want to take away this section 203 they're doing
in their very stupid way. And this is,
Unknown: well, you'll hear at Trump in 2016. He may have been
a naive candidate, and but he welcomed Russia, that they've
got dirt on Clinton lay it out? Well, you would have thought
after two and a half years in office, he would have learned
that that's not appropriate behavior. That is, this man has
so little moral center, that he doesn't understand taking help
from a foreign government is wrong, then we need to put in
place a law that would say, if a foreign government tries to
intervene in the election in a presidential campaign, the
campaign has an affirmative obligation to report that to the
FBI, there's been lots of concern voiced by a lot of my
Republican partners that they know our election system is not
safe in 2020. And I think the least we should do is put this
law in place that will say, you've got to report to the FBI
if we've got foreign agents intervening. Secondly, let's
pass on election security law to make sure there's a paper trail
after every vote, so people have belief in the integrity of their
vote. And third, let's go ahead and put some guardrails around
some of these social media companies. So you cannot use
deep fake technology, or create fake personas, the way the
Russians did on Facebook in 2016.
Adam Curry: What what the Russians use deep fakes all of a
sudden,
John C. Dvorak: Holy mackerel target by jumping to
conclusions? It's like deep fakes. Wave is ludicrous. So the
reporter talking to him asked him immediately, what were the
deep fakes that the Russians did to get a response right
Adam Curry: now? They went straight to another topic on the
show? No, of course not. It's just accepted.
John C. Dvorak: Ask them obviously, what what deep fakes.
Were involved in the 2016 campaign specifically? And he
would have Denny what would he say, Well, what is wrong with
these reporters? This is great stuff.
Adam Curry: So this backs into this interview that Trump did
President Trump did with George Stephanopoulos. Where were and
to me, it was just one big troll. He was like, Well, you
know, if I got some oppo research on I'm not gonna call
the FBI went take a look at the oppo research first and
everybody's freaking out. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, you have
him. If you get information from the Russians, or from the
British, I guess that's also a foreign government, British to
Canadian, Canadian, the Italians, you need to report
that to the FBI. Exactly. Like, you know, the Democrats didn't
do. So they're trying to back this into a law and in fact,
that is Senate Bill 1247, the duty to report act, and here is
pantsy. Explosive explaining.
Unknown: So that is part of our legislate, investigate,
litigate?
Adam Curry: What did she say?
John C. Dvorak: She's got to say Nancy, explosive,
Adam Curry: pantsy, explosive. So
Unknown: that is part of our legislate, investigate,
litigate, legislate, investigate,
John C. Dvorak: litigate, talking about what the
Unknown: agenda, we're doing this and at the same time, we
are honoring our oath of office to protect and defend the
Constitution,
Adam Curry: you see that she's introducing a bill or the
concept of this bill that's that now running through the Senate,
and she's trying to say this is our responsibility is legislate,
investigate. And what was the third one, litigate, litigate
that apparently is her job now that is the job of everybody in
Congress,
Unknown: state. Yesterday president gave us once again
evidence that he does not know right from wrong. It's a very
sad thing. Very sad thing that he does not know right from
wrong. I believe that he has been involved in a criminal
cover up. I've said that before. And our investigation is
demonstrating that the Muller report shows
Adam Curry: now listen to the flub, obstruction of
Unknown: justice, and 10 At least 10 Perhaps 11 places, but
for the President to be so cavalier to disregard to be
indifferent to wall and any sense of ethics about who we are
as a country to say he would invite aren't an intervention
further the intelligence community with great competence
is put forward that the Russians interfered interfered in our
election. That's an assault on our democracy and assault on our
democracy. This president says it's a hoax. He suppose that he
takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, but I
guess it doesn't include him in terms of being to be held
accountable to obey the law. So we Have a package that we're
putting forth in light of the Muller report, a package of
legislation duty report, someone comes to you for mandating that
campaigns report foreign offers of assistance.
Adam Curry: So she is now taking oppo research, which is what the
President discussed multiple times. She actually says the
word up ah, and then she turns it into something else
Unknown: legislation duty report, someone comes to you for
mandating that campaigns report foreign
Adam Curry: offers. Instead of oppo oppo rip off offers
shouldn't
Unknown: even it's so self evident as a matter of ethics,
but we'll have to codify it. These people are so
John C. Dvorak: stupid to work with the with the steel dossier.
Adam Curry: Was this is this is this is why I think it's
trolling because this is exactly what happened. They took oppo
research, I'm sorry, offers from a foreign country, literally
from a British spy. And there was involvement from Italy and
Australia and Russia. And now they're going to create a law
against it. I can actually tell you a little bit about the text
of this. I don't know if this is going to pass or not. It's the
duty to report Act, which they just pulled out of there. But
John C. Dvorak: I want to mention something that I do. And
unfortunately we don't have that we should play the entire clip
and I keep forgetting to get it. The step INNOPOLIS thing with
Trump because Trump's having a normal conversation with him as
though he's a purse.
Adam Curry: I actually expected you would have it. That's why I
didn't you know, I
John C. Dvorak: expected that I would have to respect it. I
would have it for the last thing wrong with you. It happened on
Wednesday of last week.
Adam Curry: I know it's so disappointing.
John C. Dvorak: It we're taking forever to get to this but but I
do remember a couple of points in there. And Trump was
shrugging his shoulders and he says to stepping up was was was
great honesty. You know, I've never called the FBI. Right. And
I was thinking about it. Have you ever called the FBI? report
something? No.
Adam Curry: What is their number one 800? Call FBI?
John C. Dvorak: FBI. I've never called the FBI to report some I
don't know who's ever called the FBI. It's it's just like they do
their own thing. But then I'm reminded of Thomas Drake, the
NSA whistleblower who said it he says at the beginning of all his
speeches, do not talk to the FBI have ever, ever Exactly.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you can get in big trouble with stuff you say.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I mean, there's Flynn talk to the FBI
liquid Avenham.
Adam Curry: So here is this Senate Bill, 1247 and perm. And
they kind of try to make this oppo research sound like it
would be something that was given to you. Let me see here we
have in general if a political committee or applicable
individual receives an offer orally in writing or otherwise
of a prohibited contribution, donation expenditure, or
disbursement, the committee or applicable individual seller
shall within 24 hours of receiving the offer. Report to
the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the extent
known the name, address and nationality, the foreign
national making the offer, the amount and type of contribution
donation expenditure or disbursement in general should
be unlawful to knowingly and willingly failed to comply with
this subsection
John C. Dvorak: Oh, this can be a nightmare if you think about
it, somebody's impossible to do. Yeah, yeah. But think about
somebody being spammed by fake offers oh sure of from foreign
governments just keep sending them in and if they don't report
them, you know, you can bust them and I
Adam Curry: like how they add in here the the definition of
applicable individual who has the duty to report that means an
agent of political of a political committee a candidate
an individual who was an immediate family member of a
candidate Hello Donald Jr. or any individual affiliated with a
campaign of a candidate an immediate family member
individual affiliated with a compound pain for this purposes,
the term immediate family member means with respect to a
candidate parent, parent and law spouse, adult child sibling, and
and it goes on and on and
John C. Dvorak: on. But this really invites entrapment big
time.
Adam Curry: Try this out I don't know if this will pass.
John C. Dvorak: It probably was just kind of dumb. There's
already laws on the books but it's
Adam Curry: just so funny to me. That they you know, they're all
outraged by this then you know, that is this appointee neither
of us got this clip. It's it's about opposition research. And
they're all outraged that the President said not right. I'll
take it. Everyone else does. Everyone does. This is what it's
that's why it has a name oppo research. Everybody knows this.
I'll take it. Oh, oh, he's above the law breaking the law, huh?
John C. Dvorak: Oh, they've gone berserk over this is
unbelievable nuts. But it's like one of the things you noticed
they they looking for these? I don't know what they they hope
that these things hit the home run or something. I'm not sure.
Adam Curry: I have no idea. But it's, I mean, it's anyone
running the country anymore. What are we doing?
John C. Dvorak: I know, no one's running the country. In my
opinion. It's a good thing. Let's take a look here. With
Adam Curry: nothing to say. That's a good thing. I
John C. Dvorak: guess. It is good.
Adam Curry: What are we catching up with?
John C. Dvorak: The Trump campaign outlines on CBS
Unknown: Okey dokey. President Trump is getting ready to kick
off his reelection campaign. But just days before Mr. Trump's
announcement that we'll seek a second term. Some opponents are
trying to keep him from finishing this one calling on
Congress to launch impeachment proceedings. Nicole Kellyanne is
at the White House.
President Trump spent part of his birthday weekend at the golf
course ready to take a campaign swing to Florida Tuesday to
launch his reelection. He started making his case for 2020
on Twitter writing. The Trump economy is setting records and
has a long way up to go. However, if anyone but me takes
over in 2020 there will be a market crash the likes of which
has not been seen before. He added we're doing great in the
polls even better than in 2016 and will be packed at the
Tuesday announcement rally.
We've had over 100,000 RSVPs. So far. They keep coming in every
single day. I think it means the enthusiasm is pretty good out
there.
But it rallies across the country protesters sounded more
calls for the president's impeachment. And we must begin
it now. And he continued to take heat for these comments to ABC
News. And
if someone else offers you information on opponent, should
they accept it or should they call the FBI?
I think maybe you do both. I think you might
want to listen, despite trying to walk them back.
John C. Dvorak: I reported to the Attorney General the FBI
Unknown: Democratic presidential candidate Pete budaj Edge tells
face the nation's Margaret Brennan, the president should
draw clear line. If you think there's a foreign effort to
tamper with an American election and you're an American. Who
cares about America. You call the FBI. This shouldn't be hard.
The President and his campaign team dispute some polls that
show him trailing key Democrats like front runner Joe Biden, a
Trump adviser tell CBS News expect the President to unleash
more attacks against the former Vice President as he jumps into
full campaign mode. Rena
Nicole Killian at the White House,
Adam Curry: can you imagine if this is a bill like this past,
you the people, the FBI will be overwhelmed if people actually
stuck to it. The amount of how
John C. Dvorak: they think about it, I did try to get the call
the FBI once I went there was had to do with it was had to do
with these robo calls. Or something along those lines. And
so you go to the FBI to find who to call and there's nobody to
call and but they say if you already have this problem to
some scam, go here and you go to a website. And then the website
gives you a bunch of instructions that are just like
too much for anybody in their right mind to do. They obviously
do not want to be contacted on every little stupid thing. Call
your local police is their attitude. And it's apparent that
the FBI would be against this because they they would be just
swamped with bullcrap kind
Adam Curry: of everything. The way I read the proposed bill, I
mean, people in Congress receive I mean, lobbying, lobbyists
contact them all the time. By just by the definition of the
bill. You could say that a lot of these lobbyists are trying to
interfere. Hey, here's what I'd like to have done. So it's just
it makes no sense.
John C. Dvorak: Especially when their lobbyists not you
mentioned there's a lot of foreign agent lobbyists to
crawling all over the place or from every country in the world.
Adam Curry: Luckily, though, everyone voted for a salary
increase so they won't have to, you know, they won't have to
take money from lobbyists and they won't have to do insider
trading is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez said
John C. Dvorak: so know what it does. It gives them more money
to trade with
Adam Curry: another 4500 bucks, bison puts
John C. Dvorak: up Whoa, let's go along.
Adam Curry: Oh, man.
John C. Dvorak: So I just was embraced some news that none of
the media is picking up on. All right. And I got a kick out of
it when I spotted it, and I thought it would be something
worth listening to. Oh, Jay Simpson has decided to go on
Twitter. Yes. Hey,
Unknown: Twitter world, this is yours truly. Now coming soon to
Twitter, you'll get to read all my thoughts and opinions on just
about everything. Now, there's a lot of fake OJ accounts out
there. So this one, at the real OJ 32 is the only official one.
So it should be a lot of fun to get and even to do. So God
bless, take care.
John C. Dvorak: Getting even with somebody, here's the second
post he's done to now
pay toward the world. You know, for years, people have been able
to say what ever they wanted to say about me with no
accountability. But now I get the challenge and a lot of that
BS and set the record straight. More importantly, I'll be able
to talk about everything, especially sports, fantasy
football, and even politics. But for now, let me just say to my
fellow fathers out there, Happy Father's Day, and God bless.
So this is a new low for Twitter. And where's this blue
checkmark? Oh,
Adam Curry: he doesn't even give him a checkmark. No. We need to
Alright, so we need to start a campaign get OJ a checkmark.
John C. Dvorak: So he puts up these two posts and he's already
up to 325,000 verify
Adam Curry: OJ hashtag verify OJ you'll be over a
John C. Dvorak: million shortly. To do these half drunken kind of
rants or whatever you're gonna get back and some PSU booths
just
Adam Curry: see a drink and it'd be great so your drinker Is he a
drinker?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know but he's he's getting sold this
could be just old age but but whatever the case, this is going
to be great and I think is marked a new low for Twitter.
Can I Can I just get all the media has refused to cover the
story.
Adam Curry: Can I offer some advice to some colleagues out
there? I would like to offer advice to Spotify and Pandora
gimlet. This is the guy you want to do a podcast with this is the
podcast you want on your network. You want the OJ cast?
That is money in the bank people.
John C. Dvorak: I agree. as sick as it is cash. It's it's exactly
true. Shoot, maybe we should just produce it just just get a
hold of me just you can be sure he's got a bunch of scammers.
Hmm, maybe
Adam Curry: DM at the real OJ 32 Go on, John. You're the sports
guy. Everybody knows. He knows you. The juice. Yes, the juice
is loose the juice pot the juice cast. I use Campsie and I'm
seeing some great adds. It adds some some you know some great
products. Give me a lot of Ginsu Knife Set me all kinds of hate
when do Ginsu knife sets on them? You know have that as a as
an
John C. Dvorak: allergy call it the murder cast.
Adam Curry: By the way, I'm a little disappointed you've not
talked about the biggest sports story of the decade curry lens
in the title is yours. The Toronto Raptors or the 2019 NBA
champions vs. Golden State Warriors So
John C. Dvorak: hi, Miss that game. So why what happened to
get the Raptors Who are they? I hear
Adam Curry: candy Navia kicked your ass Golden State. How
disappointing is that and why is Canada in the NBA? How does that
work?
John C. Dvorak: You know this came up at the table the other
day and people don't realize that that basketball was
invented in Canada go and follow the follow that up. The first
NBA game in history was first played in Toronto, CA. So that's
why they probably could use a couple of teams. You could use
one on the on the West Coast.
Adam Curry: I did not realize that so so Canada invented
basketball.
John C. Dvorak: That's what distorts dust what they that
this came up in the in all those games they were playing over and
over again. Yeah, QA. All right, well, that was given by John
Naisbitt as I recall, but
Adam Curry: naysmith kinase naysmith naysmith not naes base
Neysa
John C. Dvorak: you know more than I do know I'm
Adam Curry: really I'm really the troll room. I have the troll
room open that's how i How could you have for you for a second
thing I knew more about sports than you just isn't logical.
John C. Dvorak: You surprised me that's why. Anyway, back to you
couldn't be a closet sports junkie for all I know.
Adam Curry: Back to I think the the glove cast may be so better
name for the O J o the glove cast. We are so sick. Yes
podcast ladies and gentlemen they're taking over the world
witnessed the BBC
Unknown: back in the real world. It was announced today that this
show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast. No, no
cast. I mean, there's no limit to the depths of depravity to
which BBC schedules are prepared. This is a podcast
anyway, it was a podcast. If God had meant ports to be cast, he
wouldn't have invented the wireless. The good news is, he's
free.
Adam Curry: That's one of my favorite clips of the week.
John C. Dvorak: depravity tip,
Adam Curry: I got an ISO podcast. I just love that.
That's just how he's denigrating this guy. That's was Andrew
Neil, whatever his name is Andy. Andy was beginning again,
Unknown: back in the real world. It was announced today that this
show is being replaced in the autumn by a podcast, podcast. I
mean, there's no limit to the depths of depravity, which BBC
schedules are prepared.
Adam Curry: It makes me so proud. Very, very proud of that.
John C. Dvorak: I would give you a clip of the day but I'm not
going to
Adam Curry: end with that. I would like to thank you for your
courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the C in
Canadian basketball John C. Barek. Back.
John C. Dvorak: Well, in the morning to you Mr. Adam curry
also in the morning to all the ships at sea. And the boots on
the ground ended subs in the water and all the games and all
the nights out there.
Adam Curry: And in the morning to our trolls we got a lot of
them the trolls are in the troll room, you can find him at no
agenda stream.com where you can also listen live to the program.
And there's many programs, it's 24 segments. There's always
someone in there listening, commenting, trolling, and we're
not bashful about it, there's trolls. So go in there, you know
show your best troll edge. No agenda stream.com. And we also
like to say in the morning to see SB I think I think CSB has
changed his his name on the Art Generator. I don't know you
could do that. Yeah, you can apparently. And he's what is
John C. Dvorak: his name, then comment. Let me get something.
It's Charlize. Charlie Sierra Smith. Baramulla Bingham.
Adam Curry: Well, it turns out it's the name CSB has now been
hijacked by some dude named comic strip blogger.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, no. And
Adam Curry: who was very mad at you? Because you apparently have
blocked him on Twitter. So
John C. Dvorak: just Yeah. Well, that's because he was well, I
not that I don't like the guy.
Adam Curry: Yeah, he's blocked him though. That doesn't, that's
not a real likable thing to do.
John C. Dvorak: Well, you know, he was, he was, I was getting
too much material that wasn't
Adam Curry: doped with all the great material is what you're
saying. That's what a block means to us. It's just too much
good material. Please. I have to slow you down.
John C. Dvorak: It is not there to I'm just there to I don't
know why I'm there. I don't even know why go on Twitter. I should
get off of it.
Adam Curry: Well, this was the artwork for episode 1146. The
title of that was Googlers. And CSB, aka comics, your blogger
did a great piece of art. It was the former Trump logo. It was
nice. It was done with kind of pixelated camouflage background.
And it made sense in context of the episode that we had, and we
appreciate it. It's no agenda, art generator.com, where you can
see all the artwork that's submitted where you can submit
artwork, and lots of people do and we always have to make a
very difficult choice. And it was this esbs, who we chose. And
again, thank you, it's part of our value for value model is
really helps when we have fresh artwork to show because people
it catches people's eye in where they find podcasts everywhere.
So thank you.
John C. Dvorak: Well, we have three executive producers and
again, no associates for some
Adam Curry: Wow, second time in a row. This is odd.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Also, this is the second time in a row that
we had no checks that are over $50 that came in. In fact, that
pile of checks is very small. It doesn't make a lot of sense to
me unless you think that's the way the intelligence agencies
are sending us money.
Adam Curry: Checks and checks and we're not doing they're not
doing we're not doing it
John C. Dvorak: right and doing their bidding. I don't know what
it is. We said wrong. But the top of the list is in fact, I
have the bonus clip. This is Sir Dave Fukase Otto. Oh, hold on
Oklahoma. Where
Adam Curry: was your bonus clip? I didn't I didn't I didn't
listen to your to your bonus clip. So I didn't know what it
was food. That now I know what it is. Let's just make sure we
recognize that name again. Food Gazoo Oh, Right sir Dave
John C. Dvorak: covered I play debt for J. She's in a. She's in
an office and she's doing something and she hears this
photo screech. And she can What? What the hell is that? I play it
again. And it makes you laugh because Fletcher cracks his
voice in some very controlled way at the end of the food is
doto food God
Adam Curry: is just on the end there, isn't it?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it's unbelievable how good this guy
is. And so I was going back and forth. And I said, Maybe we
should reintroduce the old we had a gimmick about four years
ago, I think, where we would let people go donate a certain
amount of money. They get a they get a Fletcher call out.
Adam Curry: Oh, that's a cool idea. Yeah, they did it yet. But
yes, we did it. But it's a long time ago. We see some of the
yells we have done. That's one. Of course there's the classic.
Oh, it's the crack at the voice every single time.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, he's very controlling. Very good. No, I
mean, that is a skill that I was talking to Jay about. I said,
this is a voiceover skill. That is not something anyone can do.
And I don't know anyone else who can do it is like this. I mean,
it's unbelievable
Adam Curry: wasn't as good one. It's it's funnier when he's when
it's just him when it's no music
John C. Dvorak: screaming Yeah. Yeah,
Adam Curry: I don't know if I have any. Anyway, so. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yes. This is the one
Unknown: ladies and gentlemen. It is time to Robert
Adam Curry: that's a good one. Right. So there's a promotion
you're working on? Very good.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And I'm thinking for the dead till we
get to the promotion anyone who donates. Sir Dave. Did $999.99
Anyone who does a grand or more will we'll get a call out for
him. Oh, wow. Yeah, meantime, but the promotion will be the
original promotion I went back and forth with the Fletcher John
with about this. And he reminded me that it was it was an old pie
donation at 314 Whenever one five that we did it for and we
did it for about two or three months but I was thinking just
doing it for about a month but if anybody wants to do 1000
bucks at any time, we will I think you'd be more amenable to
throw out the your last name and then you can put it on your
phone or whatever you want to do. That was the original idea.
Oh, but anyway, so let me get to the donation so Sir David
through 999 99. This donation three times 33333 is a
recognition and thanks for all the karmic goodness requested
during show 1111 The super uber mega karma episode Okay, Melody
is well on her way to success as a grad student student lady
Isabel enjoyed great success in the last Irish dance competition
out in Portland. Yes, I'm retired from the army as of the
30th of the month and have landed a job and our house just
sold. Not saying that requesting karma back then had anything to
do with all of it. But hey, it certainly didn't hurt all you
freeloaders out there and you know who you are. should try
donating some time and getting some of your own. It's a super
uber mega amazing or as he puts it amazing. Balancing all that
however bad my buddy with the brain cancer went into the
hospice a couple of days ago and we brothers in arms are watching
watching and waiting and watching and waiting mode. Kind
of a bummer. Some F cancer karma would be appreciated. Let
Adam Curry: me do that right here right
Unknown: you've got karma got to
Adam Curry: separate that out.
John C. Dvorak: I'm kind of lost track for a while but I recently
went back and updated my accounting and apparently I've
leveled up the VI count. I request a peerage upgrade during
today's show and I would like to expand my territory to include
America's heartland and the Saudi Arabia also an episode or
two ago the question arose as to what whether or not a cot count
is an 11 as a love whether or not count that was the last show
is a level in the no agenda peerage system going to divorce
rack slash org peerage and a book of knowledge page on
Italian nobility count is synonymous with Earl go not by
Count okay we don't use count again we don't use the the
Italian nobility we'll use the British yes finally according to
the update from the UAE ease last episode, Riyadh is also hot
as I typed this it's 100 thorough he's he's there, right
is 113 degrees but without the humidity that our UAE producer
is likely enjoying. And there's a headline from today's Arab
news Filipina players dominate at women's bowling championship
in Jeddah. Congrats ladies.
Adam Curry: Way to go do they have cute outfits is the
question.
John C. Dvorak: Keep up the great work and thank you for
your courage.
Adam Curry: Thank you for your courage, sir Dave. Yeah, so he I
mean to see what what do I have? Dave? Yeah be Vikon of America's
heartland and Saudi Arabia. Outstanding. And thank you for
your support. Longtime support is highly
John C. Dvorak: irregular karma so you can add to his
collection. You've got karma.
Serendipity came in from Colombia, Portugal, Portugal, I
believe yes. For 30 to 34. Once all operational expenses are
taken care of. I like to suggest that part of my donation goes to
help add and pay a romantic dinner to Mrs. Mrs. Tina the
keeper. Enjoy your vacations here.
Adam Curry: Yes, we're going to Portugal tomorrow. And that's
where our actual honeymoon.
John C. Dvorak: Oh, that's right. I
Adam Curry: remember that. That's where the actual
honeymoon takes place.
John C. Dvorak: You get to go to old Porto.
Adam Curry: Possibly. We're so tired.
John C. Dvorak: You're gonna go to Lisbon and you're hanging
out. We're going to the Algarve.
Adam Curry: And to hang out. You're gonna wear
John C. Dvorak: the Algarve. Oh, never heard of it. The Algarve?
Adam Curry: It's like the entire the beautiful coast is where you
vacation. The Algarve? It's a region.
John C. Dvorak: Okay. Well, anyway, I want to say anyone
that likes to do it has never visited Portugal and you're a
photographer, Lisbon. It's the most photographic city I've ever
been to. Not because it's ornate and beautiful. It's like
Barcelona. It's kind of dingy, but in a very photogenic way. By
the way, I'm a regular passenger on the emergency row of the O O
P O AMS flights. So if you see a sales looking guy seated there,
drop an ITM. It might be me. Finally.
Adam Curry: We're not we're flying from Belfast and we're
flying EasyJet. So unfortunately, we won't we won't
see you.
John C. Dvorak: Finally a gift to the no agenda listeners with
for human resources already am donating all of my baby making
karma. I won't cut my tubes. But I'm done. Please play the
Hillary cackle to the head, then that's wrong, followed by brown
shoes karma.
Unknown: You've got a karma.
Adam Curry: By the way, I appreciate very much, but the
keeper actually is paying for this part of the journey for the
Portugal rest
John C. Dvorak: to Portugal.
Adam Curry: Yes, she booked everything. She the best?
John C. Dvorak: Well, a couple of things I should mention is I
think Portugal is fantastic. But it has some of the lowest price
wines, high quality wines, locally made dry and sweet. But
mostly but the dry wines are outstanding. And the whites are
terrific. They're way under priced worldwide. You get over
here too cheap. They're extremely inexpensive in
Portugal. And they also do the same thing with their olive oil.
So all of us are way under priced. So if you're you can
find a good one. You can get it for next to nothing. You could
do it the check in luggage and bring it back.
Adam Curry: I'm sure that in the 11 years we've discussed it. But
you know, I was very famous for a little while in Portugal when
it was still a third world country.
John C. Dvorak: You talked about this because when I've never
been to Portugal, pre EU, so I never got to see the dirt roads
that are now giant freeways.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was. So this this was 1982 or 83. And
there was an international consortium called Europa
television. And Europa television was all the public
broadcasters from the EU at the time, it was even a precursor to
the euro, the you know, like the EU Eurovision coming together.
And to people were doing news and sports and we provided a
half hour of music videos every single day. And typically this
was broadcast and it'd be you know, because Europe had a lot
of cable penetration. So you could get all these crazy
channels with Sky channel those music boxes MTV, but in
Portugal, they only had two stations RTP one RTP two, and it
was over the air there was no cable, but for some reason they
decided every day and as a public broadcaster to take Our
show called Countdown and air that on television over the air.
So here were kids who have and Portugal was a third world
country in the early 80s. I mean, it was it. This is all
before the big EU money came in. So there's just nothing but dirt
roads. And now here was a guy who all the first time they're
seeing Bon Jovi videos, they've never seen this before. It's
like Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Tina Turner, the end
and people would send me mail postcards, remember those, and
they would be post sacks full, I mean, just huge mailbags and I'd
be reading their notes. And so when we went there to just, you
know, do a couple shows from Portugal, we were at the
airport. And you know, we had to import all of our camera gear
back in the day, it was a lot bigger and you had to have a car
and a car and E T A corne which was it's like a travel document
for your, for your gear so that you know when you enter the
country and you leave again, you didn't sell off some $100,000
piece of equipment that they didn't know about. So it took a
little while for us to get through customs. But we kept
hearing this weird sound and I thought it was the baggage
carousel at the airport which it could have been because was
rickety. But it turned out when we finally had the corne set and
we're going through customs the doors open there were 5000 kids
standing there waiting for Adam Korea, Adam Cudi out of Korea.
And I'd made jokes on the show like, Oh, we're going to go into
Portugal. Yeah. All right, girls, make sure you you show up
in my hotel with a Lamborghini. Dude, I still have paper
clippings front page where girls showed up with their dad's
Lamborghini to give to me, it was outrageous. And just the one
of the trickiest things I've ever witnessed. And now, no one
knows who I am. It's done. It's nothing. Fame is fleeting. So
I'm gonna, I'm gonna see if we can find the old people while
we're there. Like, Hey, man, remember me? Let me show you a
picture of what it used to look like.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you should do they do get a badge or
button? Maybe Maybe I'll get some big giant button like the
podcasting button. We got a big champion with your with your
face on his head. This used to be my I
Adam Curry: used to be famous.
John C. Dvorak: Surely you remember me famous? All right,
well, maybe someone will recognize you happens. Yeah,
maybe not.
Adam Curry: We'll find out. Not. I do. I do recall. Someone gave
me a port wine from my birth year. 1964. And I save that and
when I turned, I think 40 I opened it. God that was some
Dracut completely gone bad. It was horrible.
John C. Dvorak: No, 64 is not a good year. Now if they were
smart and giving you a 63 which is still good to this day, and
just text out to three and four. No, no, none of that I had a
file of killer port.
Adam Curry: Oh man. I remember. At a certain point. I was we had
all these autograph sessions and he was like, and we had this
promoter like Alessandro Bosch was the name da Alessandra Bosch
with a today we take autographs very close by. And we get in
this. Renaud espouse van and we drive for three and a half hours
through these dirt roads. Like what are we doing? And then you
know, there'd be a crowd of several 100 kids there but then
the punk showed up and they were on you know, like mopeds and
bicycles and they were spitting at the car and jumping on it was
it was crazy. I gotta find some of that video. I gotta post that
if I can find any Yeah, good times. Thank God the EU came in
and straighten those people out well made him enslave them into
obedience.
John C. Dvorak: Well they under their old rulers, it wasn't much
better to call in the friendly Fat Man is or last associate
exec or executive producer this these the third one is all we
got during the $60 nice donation. Sir Colin Colin the
friendly fat man from Cincinnati. Couple of things on
the list for today one I want to wish my father Arthur a very by
the way we did have a father. Father's Day promotion for
Father's Day and as usual, yeah, everyone hates their dads. They
hate their dads they hate their moms they have no Valentine's
but they love Fibonacci number. That's
Adam Curry: right. Go Fibonacci boo dad boo mom.
John C. Dvorak: I want to wish my father Arthur a very Happy
Father's Day. He's a man of heroic character and unwavering
conviction that I aspire to imitate daily in my own feeble
way. He has made me into the man I am today and there's nothing I
could ever do to repay him for all he has done for me and my
six siblings. So the next best thing is to recognize him and
the best podcast in the universe is donation amount is Magical
shapeshifting jus $18 donation times 27 Kids and 13 grandkids
oh god bless them. Nice. I also want to wish you a Happy
Father's Day to my brother Stephen and our Steven and my
two brothers in law Chris and Kevin. I was involved in the
Cincinnati meetup back in May and forgot to send you guys the
picture attached of our group it was a great get together and and
we even had a baron humble us presence Nice. As many have said
it was an amazing feeling to be able to talk about whatever we
wanted without much if any concern for upsetting our table
mates. Yes. First step number four I recently took that was
number three. Number four. I recently took my first step into
the property ladder and bought house. Yes, I knew it was I knew
it was the one when I saw the street address, and included the
magic number 33. Now my mother would really like me to find a
keeper of my own ego and go along with it. Go along with it
so I could get some house relationship karma. Yeah, that's
what he wants. Yeah, well, that's what his mom wants. Yeah,
that's his mom, which will give him some too.
Adam Curry: We know what he wants is really just some
awesome hookers.
John C. Dvorak: Right You heard that Tina? On the subject of
houses Adam. I was the one who sent you the high and mighty
wall hangings. I hope you liked it. Yes. I hope you liked it. It
worked out for you. Hearing your thoughts would be great. What is
he talking about? Okay, it would be so hard mentioned a website
designer designed to be stuck up.com My fellow producer I'm
glad
Adam Curry: that he finally sent this in Sir Colin. So when we
said that we were the we bought a house and we're going to move
into the house he sent us a whole bunch of these designed to
be stuck up items. And you can what? Well it's hooks but also
there's a shelf so there's no holes you don't drill any holes.
And it's it's you have to look at the website to understand the
system but you can hang up up to like 3040 pounds in some cases
without drilling holes the stuff just sticks to the wall or wood
and drywall does it with drywall too. It's It's very cool.
Designed to be stuck up.com
John C. Dvorak: Thanks for everything and along with the
Karma can I get some magical shapeshifting Jew and Putin on
the wrist? On the rich RETs Thanks for calling the friendly
fat
Unknown: blue and you don't know where this fake news Why don't
you get joke get
dressed up like a million dollar true
trying not to look like Anderson Cooper. Calm let's mix with John
Podesta walks with kids though. I mean pizzas in his mid boot
and on the Reds shapeshifting shapeshifting Jews All right.
Well,
John C. Dvorak: Jonas, thank these three folks for becoming
the executive producers for show 1147 Yeah,
Adam Curry: and once again, no Associate Executive producers
which is very odd. Very odd. We don't see that often. He did
mention the Cincinnati meet up I do Missy. Dave. There was no
agenda torrent. Dave back in the day at the London meetup. He did
do a $50 cash on the spot donation he neglected to add a
note. He just wanted to be deduced. You've been de deuced
and I have a report from the Copenhagen meetup, which was
just the other day. This is from Eric organized greetings from
Copenhagen. We just finished our first successful meetup six
producers, including two knights who came out of hiding to speak
freely. And then nurse hangovers the Dane hangover, apparently,
and discuss the future of Scandinavia from an agenda
perspective. It was a huge success and plans are already in
the works to make it a regular thing. Adam, I hope when you
were finally done with honeymoons, you were able to
join us next time. I'd love to go to Copenhagen. I would do
I'll go in honor of the Copenhagen nights and our
lengthy discussion of the number 33 And how much Adam really
knows about its origin I've made a donation 6666 will be thanking
him later on. Of course, as this is my first donation please
deduce me and kindly call out Pablo Ponting as a massive
douchebag thanks to you and John for your hard work. Hope you're
proud that it brings sick strangers together halfway
across the world. Yes. I think we are extremely proud of this.
John C. Dvorak: John, I'm actually stunned by it. I'm,
although I'm not surprised. And I'm specifically not surprised
about the fact that people all get along. Because the nature of
the show is it does have a mindset that if people subscribe
to it, they will be happier. They won't have an inflamed
amygdala. And they will get along with each other. Yeah. And
they always do. And I've never, you know, yet to see anybody's
say otherwise, you wouldn't come to the thing if you weren't a
normal person.
Adam Curry: And the fact that they're doing it, that they're
already planning the next one means good news. Good news
there. Now. Oh, here's your D, do. You spend D? Do you want to
call him before? Yeah.
Unknown: You've got karma. So thank
Adam Curry: you. Thank you to our executive producers of
Episode 1147, you'd certainly made up picked up some slack,
which is highly appreciated. For those of you who are interested
in our value for value proposition. All you have to do
is think about what the show was worth to you. What kind of value
would provide this episode, one more than one episode? How many
been listening to? And just send this to us? And you can do that
very simply at vortrag.org/and. That's right. I'll be doing
another show from the honeymoon on Thursday. Make sure you're
there.
John C. Dvorak: Our formula is this. We go out for you hit
people in the mouth.
So I have a clip that confirms something I was brought up a
couple of years ago. You were never you were all in on this
too. And this is Steve pathogenic.
Adam Curry: Hey, what are you doing on my beat with my
handler?
John C. Dvorak: Steve magenic. On North Korea Tourism for
Unknown: the most part, North Korea right now is a country
waiting to be held. And why do I say that there are beaches there
on the southeast of North Korea, and they want to open it up and
make it a tourist attraction by October 2019. And Trump is the
right person in the right place for the right time in order to
make that type of deal with Kim Jong on. Now Kim Jong Un knows
he has to open up North Korea, there are no more missiles, he
can fire there's no more radiation that he can shoot out
because it's really not a benefit to North Korea. He knows
that tourism, primarily by the Chinese last year, I think about
100,000 Chinese came into the southeast part of North Korea on
the beaches was not enough. He wanted to open it up to the
world. And the way he could do that was to establish a personal
relationship, what we would call in Chinese Guan chi with
President Trump because Trump, of course knows how to develop
resorts. He knows how to build hotels, and he correctly said,
Look, whatever happened in the CIA didn't occur under my
auspices, but nevertheless, I have a very good relationship
with Kim Jong on. I believe that and I believe that Kim Jong on
will in fact make a deal with Trump. My suspicion is it'll be
around October of 2019. I could be wrong, but I hope I'm right.
Oh,
Adam Curry: is that like an October surprise? I don't know.
Yeah, of course, it is possible. Right. Right. Before the
John C. Dvorak: October you want the
Adam Curry: 2020? October. Right. Right. Right. I'm sorry.
John C. Dvorak: I think it's also premature. I don't think I
think he's not far enough along for that to happen this year.
But
Adam Curry: okay. Now, for those of you who are relatively new to
the program, my uncle, Don Greg. Yeah, gr E G. G,
John C. Dvorak: who's listed in Wikipedia, if you want his
background, the SEC,
Adam Curry: he's on the Wikis as a high ranking CIA. He's up in
his late 80s. Now the I don't think he's actually stopped all
work. But he was ambassador to South Korea after the Iran
Contra affair where I believe he didn't protect his boss
properly. So off he was to South Korea. But he had been to North
Korea many many times and we were talking about what was
happening at the time when you came up with the tourist
destination. And he confirmed that confirmed absolutely the
All they want is peace and a true end of the war. We only
have an armistice there's the war was never officially ended.
And they would love nothing more than to be a tourist
destination. In fact, it was after he tried to talk to the
The Obama administration and they pretty much just threw him
right out. And I went out interested in listening to you
that, that he said to me, sorry.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it was it was Greg that they didn't want
to listen to. I didn't want to get
Adam Curry: to Uncle Don. He said, Adam, Dennis Rodman
understands North Korea better than anybody in the entire
administration. And I think this turns out to be true. That's
true. Yeah, it seems
John C. Dvorak: true. Now the one thing they're doing though,
is that you can tell that they're they're trying to line
up they have some mountainous areas that were I guess they can
crispy skiing, and they've got the hotels up there and
everything ready to go they haven't really have any
experience with with massive wood. Lots of people, especially
with lie grouchy, German tourists, let's say, Americans,
the two worst tourists by most standards, although the Chinese
are getting up there, and the beaches and all the rest, but
the one thing that that is never discussed is that giant pageant
they have every year, North Korea's largest soccer stadium
in the world. I think it holds on into if you look at large
stadiums, though, the biggest one is, is a North Korean one.
And I think it holds 120 or 140,000. People's huge, and they
pack a man for this pageant that they have every year. That is
the most spectacular thing. You can see videos of it. Madeleine
Albright saw it,
Adam Curry: she got to witness it. Well, there's tons of
reporters who go
John C. Dvorak: and a lot of reporters go but the thing about
this thing is it holds so many people they could do one for
tourist, and I'm telling you people would pay $1,000 A seat
Adam Curry: you could do a just like the Main Street Electrical
Parade at Disneyland. You could do it two times, two times a
week easy.
John C. Dvorak: Well, I never thought about doing it more than
once. Yeah. And and have grown weekly
Adam Curry: and have grand marshals. Yeah, you know, like,
John C. Dvorak: oh, Jerry Dubai, me would build up to that
because people are still skeptical about going to North
Korea, but I'd go in at the drop of a hat. And, well, there is
this spectacular display of coordination. And it's just a
just astonishing thing to say
Adam Curry: there is yet again, noises coming from Agent Orange
are our Dutch military intelligence guy that the
opportunity may open up for the show to go to North Korea, but I
don't think we should we should not go together. That's probably
not a good idea.
John C. Dvorak: No, it is going to be hard to broadcast from
there. Well,
Adam Curry: it because it would be part of some military thing.
He says that he feels that that may be possible, but not now. If
it's hard to broadcast live, then maybe it does make sense
for us to go together. That'd be the first and only time we ever
do a show near each other. Yeah, I don't want to break tradition.
Okay, screw North Korea. No, no, no, no, it's pretty bad when I
got into you want to ruin the show?
John C. Dvorak: We'll get the North Korea one way or the
other. What I've told him you know, my lip Joe so you said
this was done? Yeah, yeah, I'd love to go to North Korea. What
Why would you go to them? See that murder is screw North
Korea. Why would you do this? And these are liberals. So these
Adam Curry: are guys who used to write for New York Times and
they've been teachers professors liberal professors liberal.
Yeah, that's that. Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: So I've been watching the the action on the
tanker attack.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I got a couple of clips on this.
John C. Dvorak: Well, that's I have a I have a couple of clips
too. And I didn't I have a clip that actually makes sense. Okay.
Most of the clips are just you know, hysterical. Not an
interesting way. I don't know why.
Adam Curry: They have a BBC background or since I'm over
here, I thought it might be interesting to get
John C. Dvorak: a BBC then I'll play mine. And I have the the
kicker clip is is the from RT, which has a different
Adam Curry: power. So once again, we have to go outside of
United States broadcasting to get anything of any use. Here's
the BBC.
Unknown: Well, the Iranians are saying it wasn't us. But the
Americans are saying yes, it was they're blaming Iran for a
suspected attack on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman. One
is reported to have been hit by a torpedo. We know that crew had
to be rescued from both. And we have this video that's been
released by the Iranian Navy, which shows the Norwegian ship
the front Altair. It's carrying 75,000 tonnes of a particular
type of crude oil. And we know the crew reported three
explosions. That is the Iranian foreign minister saying reported
attacks on Japan related tankers occurred when Prime Minister
Shinzo Abe a was meeting the Ayatollah Khomeini for extensive
talks. He says suspicious doesn't begin to describe what
likely transpired this morning now to explain. One of the ships
certainly is Japanese owned. The other though is owned by Norway,
so I'm not sure why he's suggesting both related Japan to
Japan. Either way, Orion has many suspicions. For so to the
Americans, Here's Mike Pompeo.
Adam Curry: It is the assessment of the United States government,
that the Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the
attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today. This
assessment is based on intelligence, the weapons used
the level of expertise needed to execute the operation, and a
whole bunch of new world order bullshit, recent similar Iranian
attacks on shipping. And the fact that no proxy group
operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act
with such a high degree of sophistication
Unknown: help us understand what the Iranians are saying thing
happened here.
Adam Curry: Well, other than what you you read, which is we
were set up the idea that the supreme leader was meeting with
the Prime Minister of Japan as this happened, and given that
one of the ships was Japan owned, it is creating that sort
of doubt, even inside Iran, and especially from the point of
view of the government that this was a an operation to embarrass
them or or make that trip unsuccessful. However, in that
very meeting, the Supreme Leader of Iran said that he's not going
to respond to any message that President United States had sent
through the Japanese Prime Minister because it was America
and it this administration in Washington that has violated the
nuclear deal has brought back sanctions. He even pointed out
that it right before Prime Minister of Japan's trip to
Iran, US took another step in sanctioning Iran's petrochemical
industry, which is huge part of Iran's exports. So it was clear
from the Iranian point of view that there was nothing to talk
about to this administration, as long as they are in violation of
the deal of UN Security Council to 231. Yet to have this
incident happen on the very same day, it does give them some
leeway to at least argue that this seems something far fetched
from something they would do because there's nothing to be
gained from it. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: that's kind of a long winded similarity to the rt
report, which is a little tighter. The British like to
talk. Yeah. But it's a lot different than what we get here.
This is the CBS report on oil tankers. Okay, sorry about that.
Here we go.
Unknown: Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are calling
for decisive action to protect energy supplies. After two oil
tankers were attacked this week. President Trump says Iran is to
blame. Charlie Dagda is in the UAE tonight with the latest.
The tanker front Altair in flames and adrift is now
reportedly under tow to the United Arab Emirates. It's
everything okay. It's 23 crew members rescued by the Iranian
military and detained are soon headed home to Iran insists it
had nothing to do with Thursdays back to back attacks on the
Altair and Japanese tanker kokuka. Courageous despite
repeated accusations from the Trump administration.
John C. Dvorak: Well Iran did do it and you know, they did it
because you saw the boat I guess one of the mines didn't explode
and it's probably got essentially Iran written all
over it.
Unknown: Images from US military phase the
Adam Curry: president Hi, when he's saying this stuff, what is
wrong with him? What is wrong with it?
Unknown: One of the mines didn't explode. And it's probably got
essentially Iran written
all over it. Images from US military officials show a tanker
with a hole blown in its side. And what military officials say
is an unexploded mine still attached to the hall. Later, the
US military released this grainy video footage showing what
appeared to be Iranian forces removing the mind and making off
with it. Oh,
Adam Curry: I love the grainy footage, we can see a matchstick
from space. But oh, grainy footage,
Unknown: Germany's Foreign Minister cast doubt on the
evidence and even the UAE has stopped short of directly naming
Iran. This has only been possible by a state sponsored
attacks. Now investigators here will be able to take a closer
look at one of the crime scenes as the kokuka Courageous arrives
here just offshore in the coming hours and its contents safely
transferred to another ship.
Adam Curry: I would like to remind us of United States
presidents and these types of operations. Certainly when the
Neo cons were free flourishing under the Obama administration
in 2012. This is Patrick Clawson of the Washington Institute for
Near East studies, which is a neocon a whole blow the world up
Think Tank. Listen to what this guy was saying. I frankly think
Unknown: that crisis initiation is really tough. And it's very
hard for me to See how the United States president can get
us to war with Iran? Which leads me to conclude that if in fact
compromise is not compelling that the traditional way of
American American gets to war is what would be best for us
interest. Some people might think that Mr. Roosevelt wanted
to get us into World War Two, as David mentioned, you may recall,
we had to wait for Pearl Harbor. Some people might think Mr.
Wilson wanted to get us into World War One. You may recall,
he had to wait for the Lusitania episode. Some people might think
that Mr. Johnson wanted to send troops to Vietnam, you may
recall, we had to wait for the Gulf of Tonkin episode. We
didn't go to war with Spain until the USS delamain exploded.
And may I point out that Mr. Lincoln did not feel he could
call out the Federal Army until Fort Sumter was attacked, which
is why he ordered the commander at Fort Sumter to do exactly
that thing, which the South Carolinians had said would cause
attack. So if in fact, the Iranians aren't going to
compromise, it would be best to somebody else started the war,
one can combine other means of pressure with sanctions. I
mentioned that explosion. On August 17, we could step up the
pressure. I mean, look, people irradiance submarines
periodically go down someday one of them might not come up. Who
would know why we can do a variety of things if we wish to
increase the pressure. I'm not advocating that. But I'm just
suggesting that if this is not a either or proposition of you
know, it's just sanctions has to be has to succeed or other
things. We are in the game of using covert means against the
Iranians. We could get nastier that.
Adam Curry: So the two things I thought interesting about this
clip from 2012 is one dimension of Iranian submarines that could
go down and not come up. And notice how he just skipped over
911 Is every false flag known to man, even some that disputed in
the lexicon? There's no 911 things I'm talking about that,
just skip over that. But that's the
John C. Dvorak: thinking that recent that's what 25 years
before the Gulf of Tonkin thing, even though we knew it was a
fake, got into the news media didn't the news media, they
dropped the ball for 25 years, maybe longer?
Adam Curry: Oh, I have a couple more than until 911 can be
uncovered for real?
John C. Dvorak: Well, it's got a lot more to go. So that's the
here's let's hear what Artie has to say. Which is again, very
similar to the BBC report with a little more. A little a little,
even though it's a discussion. It's a little break gets to the
point a little better about what
Unknown: happened. We have not only the government sources, but
the media rushing to pin the tail on the designated culprit,
under circumstances that seem awfully convenient, don't they?
I mean, here how many people have been saying that the the
rush to war toward Iran seems to be abating somewhat. We've got
we've got our be going to Tehran, maybe he's got a message
from Trump, maybe there's a first step to working things
out. And then bam, something happens is, you know, it's
awfully convenient. And you say to yourself, all right, is it
too convenient.
So it's important to point out by the way, that Iran was in the
midst of high level and friendly meetings with the Japanese Prime
Minister in and around the time the tanker attacks took place.
What's I guess most important here is that the tanker was a
Japanese vessel. And Iran officials asked what sense would
it make for us to attack a Japanese vessel while we're
meeting in a friendly confines with Japanese officials.
Meanwhile, one other note, and this is important, the attack
has sent the price of oil across the globe way, way up. And the
trend has continued.
Adam Curry: I have a clip that follows this perfectly from the
CIA Broadcast Systems. CBS, our old buddy Mike Morel was asked
to comment, former deputy director and at one point Acting
Director of the CIA,
Unknown: how much risk is there of this becoming a military
conflict? Margaret, I don't think the United States will
respond militarily here because we were not attacked directly.
And I think that would be predicate for the President to
respond militarily. But I think the risk of conflict is growing.
And I think it's growing dangerously. And I think the way
it could play out is that one of our allies, the United Arab
Emirates, or Saudi Arabia, would respond to this attack or
another attack like it to deter the Iranians. And that would
escalate into a broader conflict that could draw us in today,
Iran's top diplomat called the timing of this suspicious,
trying to distance themselves from it. So why would they go
through with an attack? They are under a tremendous amount of
pressure because of the sanctions that we've put on
them, their economy is suffering. Their response here
is to try to get the rest of the world to put pressure on us to
ease up and they want to do that by raising oil prices in
creating an atmosphere of a risk of war. I think it ultimately
backfires on them. Margaret and they ended up more isolated.
John C. Dvorak: Hmm. This is bull this guy. He's not the guy
you want to be doing this stuff with. He's not a good actor. No.
And and he doesn't make a lot of sense. What he said made zero
sense. It doesn't he just he accent the accent he acts. He
didn't say, right. What was that thing always says
Adam Curry: he uses it. Right? Right. Right. Right. He's off of
that. Maybe he fixed that. Well, maybe somebody finally said,
bro, stop that.
John C. Dvorak: Right, bro. I'm saying right.
Adam Curry: right all the time. But do we have an example of him
doing that? Probably. He
John C. Dvorak: is not pulling this off very well. It's the
whole thing makes no sense. I think if he would have stayed
there. The other thing is you if you're going to make these kinds
of done and Cohen tell points. You want to do it with just
finding one good point. And he point was was kind of made for
the RT report. And he morale made it but he didn't make it
strongly enough, which is, well, it's obvious that the Iranians
are trying to do they're hurting for money they make as they make
most of their money still by selling oil under the table at a
discounted rate, right. So let's jack up the price of oil by
sending a few missiles at these tankers. It'll jack up the price
of oil we'll get we'll get out of debt. It's just it's just a
money grab. If you just go with that. I think you've solved it.
You the Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Uh huh. And then you kind
of just, you know, just move the argument around a little bit.
Adam Curry: But how but how long did the price actually spiked?
And it come down again, isn't it isn't?
John C. Dvorak: I think it's still spike. Not. It's not spike
never spiked. It started moving up. I mean, it's a different
than moving up and a spike.
Adam Curry: Right. And well, the thing is, I mean, no matter
what, if you're on the inside of these types of operations, it's
a moneymaker. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, if we had known,
hey, you're going to make a big deal about some Japanese ship by
a couple calls in oil, or whatever the instrument
John C. Dvorak: you're using. There's all kinds of ways of
doing it. Let's see what the price up all kinds
Adam Curry: of ways that we never do. It is what you're
trying to tell me.
John C. Dvorak: Well, last was 5251. But that's
Adam Curry: Oh, I thought I thought it went up to 60. Plus,
John C. Dvorak: I think that was Brent. Oh, it's two guys oil and
the cheesier. One is cheaper. The
Adam Curry: what's the cheap crude, crude oil? Why is it
cheesy?
John C. Dvorak: It's because you got to sell a lot of sulfur and
it has to be treated. Just cheesy oil. But it's what most
oil is not that great stuff.
Adam Curry: But knew what no one ever talks about is what is to
become of Iran. Once we go full rubber like
John C. Dvorak: Fletcher clip plant
Adam Curry: as it was to become from Iran, when we go we go full
carbon neutral. Well,
John C. Dvorak: they they themselves believe that their
oil is a short term thing, because they're they want to do
and they claim this I don't believe I do believe I do
believe that they are building bombs where they want to build
bombs, but they want to build nuclear power plants. Yeah. And
so to Saudi Arabia, actually. And then some of them I guess it
was one of the country's I think it's one of the sand Baron
countries there. They put up these giant solar arrays that
are massive, and it just covering a bunch of truly
lifeless desert.
Unknown: Gentleman, it is time to run.
John C. Dvorak: Anyway, so the on the other news front, well,
then we shall be good to catch up on Yeah. Is Assange?
Adam Curry: Ah, yes. I guess the extra extradition order was was
signed?
John C. Dvorak: I'm not absolutely sure it was signed.
But I do have some interesting clips on again from RT. So
Julian Assange sorry. I would the first one is the got two of
them. So you want you don't want to thought you went Julian
Assange or the Rick Sanchez and a rundown with a kicker.
Unknown: So Julian Assange appeared in court today for what
may very well be one of the most important legal decisions of our
time on trial is the notion that a country in this case our
country, can reach out anywhere in the world and arrest someone
for writing something saying something or publishing
something, it does not what decimated
John C. Dvorak: now, he said this, he's supposed to say
disseminated,
Adam Curry: he said decimated and he stupidly said decimated,
kind of fits in the odd way.
John C. Dvorak: It does fit in our way but it's a it was a kick
out of hearing it because he never corrected himself longer.
So he's obviously just reading like a robot if you're not
listening to yourself, anyway it goes on he brings in Chris
Hedges they kind of lefty Pulitzer Prize winning
journalist is really a good journalist, but he's, you know,
very compromised by by his left wing leanings thoughts on
killing kill. I said thoughts on Julian Assange on RT with hedges
Sanchez clip.
Unknown: You know, I've been following part of the arguments
from the United States and they're saying something about
that it has nothing to do with him being someone who
disseminates or publishes information. And then it has
more to do with the fact that it was espionage and that he
cracked some kind of code. Can you get Can you put some clarity
behind what the United States is saying about this code that he
apparently cracked and what Assange his side is saying about
this?
Right? Well, that goes back to the issue I just spoke about it
was an attempt to essentially bypass the security the password
and security so that Chelsea Manning could cover her tracks.
So it wasn't clear that it was Chelsea Manning breaking in and,
and downloading these documents. The the charges under the
Espionage Act are just frankly, legally bizarre. Julian Assange
is not an American citizen. He's an Australian citizen. And at
one point, before Lenin Moreno revoked his citizenship. He was
an Ecuadorian citizen. WikiLeaks is not a US based publication.
And so the legal precedent that this sets is, number one that
anyone who publishes classified material. It can be subject to
the Espionage Act as recent editorials in the New York Times
The Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post correctly
pointed out But secondly, that any journalist any where in the
world that in the eyes of the United States violates security
can be seized and carted back to the United States for trial
Adam Curry: Mall. Yeah, that's why China decided to do the same
thing like tit for tat everybody was
John C. Dvorak: correlation I wanted to make Yeah, China and
their SP, you know, their extradition laws into Hong Kong,
which have some clips of because that seems to be falling apart,
is doing the same thing. They're just copying our lead.
Adam Curry: And there's nothing wrong with it. We're number one,
baby.
John C. Dvorak: So Chris Hedges on espionage. He continues by
discussing the chilling effect of the Espionage Act and the
spread his problems. And I think, you know, the fact that I
have to go to RT to get this opinion, and even though we can
do these opinions ourself, is kind of pathetic, that the
American media doesn't do something about or make a bigger
stink about this Chris Hedges on espionage, Espionage Act
problems,
Unknown: right. And I have to say this began under the Obama
administration with the misuse of the Espionage Act, a 1917 act
passed by Woodrow Wilson, which was the equivalent of the
British foreign Secrets Act, ie, it is about giving classified or
top secret information to a hostile power. That's what it
was designed for. It wasn't designed to shut down
whistleblowers, Obama. It had been used three times, including
unsuccessfully against Daniel Ellsberg. Obama used it nine
times against a for instance, Edward Snowden and others, John
chiriaco. And, and that had a huge chilling effect. Because
all of those people with a conscience within the systems of
power, that traditionally I had had the courage to reach out to
journalists and expose abuses of power No longer did so because
number one, of course, they're they know they're monitored. We
now know from Snowden, they're completely monitored, but also
because they knew how they would be charged. And this is really
compounding that problem. It will now if Julian is extradited
to the United States, if he is charged under the Espionage Act,
although as I mentioned, he's not a US citizen. This is going
to send a very ominous message to publications like The New
York Times and others, that you better not try this. I really
fear that it could drop a kind of iron curtain between the
public and the inner workings of power. I think it
Adam Curry: bears worth repeating what Botanik said
about this, since he is my official handler, and we did
this and what, two weeks ago, just to refresh your memory on
November 1 of 2016. We had never heard of botanic But I played
this clip.
Unknown: So we initiated a counter coup through Julian
Assange, who has been very brave, and again, really quite
formidable in his, and his ability to come forth and
provide all the necessary emails that we gave to him in order to
undermine Hillary and Bill Clinton. Again, America, were
going through a major, major transition, and quite frankly, a
second American Revolution.
Adam Curry: And when I asked him, What are we doing? He's
very brave. We, we the big we gave him the emails to eliminate
Hillary and Bill Clinton, what are we going to do when we
extradite him? And the answer that came back was the
extradition is under will go he will go to a military court
where he will be sent home and set free under quote, special
circumstances which the military does not have to disclose. And
I'm gonna take his word for it.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I know that happening is not going to
change the fact that this still will have a chilling effect on
the media. The agreed agreed agreed, bringing the guy back
and making you know, making a fuss about him and then saying
this is going to happen to you too. If you do anything like
this. It still has it's it's still works and and the fact
that Obama did this night use the this Espionage Act nine
times is act as completely dead letter launch and even be on the
books, including the one he mentioned, the one guy that
Curie I can never pronounce his name. That guy was an NSA won't
care, acute
Adam Curry: care Q Kirakira. Curious, curious, went to jail,
the guy went to jail.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Big Five of whistleblowers from the NSD
out of the NSA who kept seeing wrongdoing. And nobody would
listen to course they have to always there's mechanisms, you
can go and you can tell your boss and then he'll report it.
And then the bad. The bad people will be you know, scolded
doesn't work. So we went, you know, blew it out and took it to
the media. Anyway, so it's a problem.
Adam Curry: Well, not a problem for us. Now. Well, we
John C. Dvorak: just No, not really.
Adam Curry: We're just a podcast.
John C. Dvorak: We're not doing we're doing analysis. We don't
do or we don't find documents, and then expose them.
Adam Curry: Well, we get lots of information from people. That's
for sure. And we need more of that. But never I've never
received any documents, so to speak of anything good. Anything
worthwhile to go short? No, for sure. So just back to Iran for a
second. And when I hear the President talk like that, the
heat, it's that's gotta be just total crap. He knows this is
bullshit. He knows it.
John C. Dvorak: He's sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I still got
Bolton working in there, which is the disappointing part.
Adam Curry: Because that guy's trigger happy and dangerous with
Pompeo. I put Pompeo there to both of them, but as a
negotiation, because he does talk about oh, yeah, and I'm
ready to negotiate with them. We'll talk anytime they want to
talk. That seems to be kind of the way he does it. But what
really happened, if this was a if they tried to do a Gulf of
Tonkin, or Lusitania, or any of these witches the interestingly
a lot of these quote unquote false flags involve ships. What
the hell kind of lame op was this? And these ships didn't
sink in an explode in a ball of fire. That they've been tucked
back to wherever you know, that didn't sink.
John C. Dvorak: With something we have to think about
Adam Curry: a torpedoes here's a torpedo at torpedo strike a fear
that torpedo
John C. Dvorak: everyone's pulled back on the torpedo.
Okay, now they're like little, you know, little missiles or
something coming and hitting the sides of the boat. The torpedo
theory was debunked I think because somebody was on the deck
and saw the missiles coming in
Adam Curry: missiles Yeah.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Where the if you look at the ship, they
had the tube dents in the side. Yeah. Those are for missiles.
Somebody shot some low grade missile and bounced along the
water just above the waterline and hit the boat.
Adam Curry: He's more like a like a starter pistol
John C. Dvorak: and missiles. Remember those missiles the
French had these missiles that were used to sink some boats
during the Falkland Islands wars. I don't recall. I can't
remember the name said someone in the chat room which will
remain remember the name of these anti ship missiles
Adam Curry: all I think the missiles I think the exact quote
was called Flying Objects well not quite the same as a missile
John C. Dvorak: yeah it is. It can be through a rocket somebody
it's a missile that's also
Adam Curry: a flying Okay. All right. All right then good. I
gotcha. Gotcha. You get my point though. Thing is land that
John C. Dvorak: what kind of flying object would be a couple
of seagulls with bombs attached I mean, I just don't understand
let's look
Adam Curry: at it from it. Let's look at it from a different
perspective and I'll give you a reason to fire Bolton and Pompeo
this fail outright fail in Venezuela,
John C. Dvorak: who was designed to do nothing more than raised
the price of oil it didn't okay
Adam Curry: that was that was what we what we came up with on
the last show but but you know the President's Oh yes. Is
whether this was an attack. These guys are failing left and
right Venezuela what happened in Venezuela? Did that just end
everything is hunky dory don't hear about it anymore. Do we
take over or we run in the place is a
John C. Dvorak: grinder you're saying I see what you're where
you're headed you're headed with did the whole thing so
incompetent completely fire and fire these Boneheads? Yeah,
there's no gonna sink a ship I'm gonna show my mood by donating
to no agenda Imagine all the people who could do that oh
yeah, that'd be fun
Well, we do have a few people to thank for show them 47 And we do
have some call outs for some dads guy you want off the top
here which is Sir John the brewer came in with $194.70 for
same base St. Louis Mississippi. And He is father Jack was born
in 1947 He doesn't listen to the show but well wishes anyway need
to update my night moniker as I'm no longer brewing. Sir John,
the brewer is now sir Rocket Man Baron at the bay. Oh,
Adam Curry: let me just make sure he's Yes. He's on the title
change lifts. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: he's no longer brewing. No,
Adam Curry: he's Rocket Man.
John C. Dvorak: The heck Well, it
Adam Curry: could be good for us. Maybe we we
John C. Dvorak: used to get beer from now we're gonna get a
rocket.
Adam Curry: I don't know. We'll get some rocket info for sure.
John C. Dvorak: You know, maybe know what it was. I read these
you look over and see if there's any dads who call out I think
there wasn't a couple instances where,
Adam Curry: since we tend to is a pretty short list. I do want
to read a few of these. Peter White, who is the Jubu. Now we
met the Jubu at at the London meetup. And he's a Jewish
Buddhist, which is why it's called the Jubu. And his $108,
he says is a very sacred powerful donation. Of course we
know now that 18 is a Jewish sacred offering number combined
with six the number that manifest intention and ideas in
the physical world is 108 by this offering, by offering this
3.3 point 3.2 point two May the guardians of reality be
empowered to continue their vital deconstruction work and
many be hit in the mouth. I understood most of that. But
otherwise, thank you very much Jubu. Appreciate it. Like Judy.
Just sounds funny.
John C. Dvorak: Gwendolyn Adams comes in next $103.15 And she
has a note Yeah. Hello, gentlemen. Congrats Adam and
Tina like to wish my longtime loving baby daddy Bill Happy
Father's Day. Like my donation account towards his eventual
tight ledge. Don't forget I shouldn't mention this because
we're seeing more and more people discussing these these
movements of money. As if we we account for it, you can track
Yeah, you do your accounting. If you want to designate so much of
your donation to bill then you just do that when when it comes
around time for him to be knighted or whatever he becomes.
When he was first she were they two of them went to the first
meetup in Sarasota two weeks ago and had a great time. It was
three ladies and several dudes named Ben, of course. Mostly
Bucha dudes named Ben. She says in parents, everyone agree we
should do it again. And hopefully we will I suppose I
should call out the other listeners that aren't attending
their own meetups as douchebags. Right? Oh, oh, oh, oh, boy.
Something douchebag short circuit ladies and gentlemen,
let me see if I can snag Deutsche Bank short circuit.
Adam Curry: Well, let's see if I can fix this. What's going on
here? Let me say I fixed it.
John C. Dvorak: Finally. I'm closing. Thank you for your hard
work as always informative and we would love to go to a Miss
Florida meet up to me, Matt in Brighton and she came in with
$103.15. Matt in Brighton.
Adam Curry: Oh, yes, Matt gave us an empty envelope during the
meetup Yeah. And this is he says is filling the empty envelope I
gave Adam matter Brighton. Thank you for your courage. Appreciate
it
John C. Dvorak: cute. Gregory McGregor in Madrid Spania
$100.01 Does he have a dead here? He's got some two year old
son former Jingle All you want to do is karma for his wife.
We'll put that at the end for Yes for sure. So a shout out to
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newsletter and where it shows up and what mailbox so he comes
with this last one it came in did last May mailing was weird
because he came in to set it was went to the regular box. Yeah,
and there was a lot of kickback a lot of you know Auto Replies
when there's more than three of those I know that the newsletter
went out and did
Adam Curry: okay, he's a canary in the coal mine
John C. Dvorak: was one of them. Every single other monitor I
have and there's about five of six of them. They all said it
went into promotions. Cash Yes, the total of the thing is
completely baffling.
Adam Curry: So he says I wish to lose my smoking husband sir DH
Slammer Happy Father's Day and a happy birthday on June 18 We I
think I think we congratulated him on the last show for that as
well. PR some boobs for your special day which he saying to
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John C. Dvorak: Lisgar back in Springfield, Pennsylvania. 5510
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Adam Curry: I think we were kind of off there. A lot of people
love their dads.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, I'm sorry, I said otherwise. Sure.
Milkman, the 5150 year old our dear grandpa passed away two
weeks ago. He's a loving father and stepfather to our dad.
Patrick Gus or Patrick Coble. They're in Murphysboro. 51, they
are nearby 5136 Happy Father's Day to my dad. And to all the
producers that are dads to some travel karma as I head back from
the London meetup. What a great group of people and I think they
will be doing it again. It was more difficult. It was more
difficult tasks to pay for almost everyone's tab. Oh, she
was a able to
Adam Curry: does Patrick wind up paying for everybody.
John C. Dvorak: That's what it sounds like. She does that he
has
Adam Curry: this guy. He is a true gem of a human resource.
What a great guy the Earl of Tennessee Sir Patrick Coble,
thank you so much great.
John C. Dvorak: It is quite entertaining to talk to. I was
able to treat a lot of people with drinks which was fun. Thank
you both for everything you do for this community after going
to now four different meetups Nashville, Sacramento train
museum, Des Moines and London. It is clear you're all building
a community of similar thinking people that may not all agree
but can deconstruct news and have different opinions without
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Jackson in level in Texas 5050 As I do a Father's Day call it
for my dad, Dan Butler, my grandpa Harold Harold quarter
and my father in law sent dos karma for all the fathers out
there but that again, John Campion antlers Oklahoma 50 The
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sir best dad in the universe from dame's Karen John Haller in
Missoula, Montana. Keith Yarborough in Austin, Texas.
Pete snakes are Amsterdam sir. Sir pate sir pate. Sir Chris
Lewinsky for that matter in Sherwood, Alberta, once the
richest place in Canada. And last but not least Oliver Reich
in South San Francisco, California who should come to
one of our meetups when we do them around here. Let's see what
else we have here. Then might we have a Father's Day call from
Melissa? To our best dads by hooking the best dads I know my
smokin hot best boyfriend Mark Stewart. We have a birthday from
one guy. Let's see we can we have
Adam Curry: Matt Matthew funk? I think he's saying Happy Father's
Day to Bob PhoneCopy. Bakersfield. Lisa Stelter, Happy
Father's Day to Paul from Lisa, Amelia and Sammy and our soon to
be new human resource, Olivia. And let me scroll down. I think
that's what we have. Yeah, one of one of our producers sent me
an email. And I wish that let me see if I could find this. It was
a it was a happy it was a happy Dad, if Happy Father's Day card
from his 15 year old. And it said and he sent me a picture of
it. His Happy birthday to the best dad in the universe,
according to the Muller report. I mean, that's it. That's
a cool kid.
I like that a lot. It's very funny. Well, that's it.
John C. Dvorak: That's our group of well wishers. And Father's
Day greeters. There'll be some carryover in the next show on
Thursday. I'm sure a few people came in late with some well
wishes for their father. And we'll put the put that on the
next show. So just stay tuned, you will not be forgotten. Yeah,
that's
Adam Curry: it. All of the donations and support of the
show are always appreciated. And I think it is pretty clear that
the producers love dads more than moms, I can't help it. It's
just as to what it is. I'm having to agree with you. That's
what it seems to be. We of course,
John C. Dvorak: always get to that.
Adam Curry: Get gypped no poor moms in Egypt. We do appreciate
everyone's support of the show, including those under $50, which
is often for reasons of anonymity. We did a couple of
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for Happy Father's Day. And Happy Father's Day to you, John
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place on no agenda? meetups.com To add a report and photos of
how it went? Seems like that's something that should that
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Yeah, upload the picture. Yeah, then we'll ask me if she can
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John C. Dvorak: well there was that they never put us on their
top podcasts list. Now my advice to people I
Adam Curry: mean let me just explain what we're talking about
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John C. Dvorak: no of course not. Now I would do if you
notice the the author of that article leaves his email address
there. And all the email addresses for everybody on PC
Magazine is the same as first name underlying last name Ben
more PC mag dot and more. Yes benmore Ben Ben more something
Yes, kid looks like he's a young millennial probably never heard
of us ever. And yeah, just write him a note saying hey, you know,
you should maybe write him maybe a couple of notes.
Adam Curry: Well, they actually say it actually says right here
in the in the article it says our collection is just a small
sampling of podcasts though. There are certainly many more
quality ones out there. If your favorite is not on the list, let
us know in the comments.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, you should do that too. And I
guarantee they will no, no.
Adam Curry: There's one comment.
John C. Dvorak: No Jenny racist magazine from or
Adam Curry: there's one comment from Kevlar Oddish editor Kevlar
editor. The no agenda show should be on this list. There
you go. That's the no agenda nation. Thank you guys. We get
no respect.
John C. Dvorak: Well, yeah, well, it's mostly you know, the
problem is that these these podcast bullcrap podcasts are
ones that are largely repurposed. NPR shows that not a
podcast. Yeah. Michael Savage is actually doing a podcast. He's
been kinda kicked off the air for some reason. It started with
W ABC in New York got
Adam Curry: kicked off by Ben Ben Shapiro.
John C. Dvorak: Shapiro. Yes, taken over Shapiro's a neocon
pretty much a Trump hating neocon who just puts up with
Trump so he doesn't get hate mail. And it's really serious.
This only reason he does it. And if you remember, he's the one
who did the setup with the Lewinsky. They got Lewinsky fire
where that girl was manhandled by Oh Toski or whatever is the
Lewandowski is his
Adam Curry: name. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. hurting me.
John C. Dvorak: And then you watch the video and you can see
nothing came up. was bullcrap.
Adam Curry: And then she tweeted a picture of her wrist was
bruised.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. And then yeah, you'd make apple do that,
by the way, good makeup. You know how you use makeup, you can
make anything look bruised. So you got a picture. And so
Shapiro got all bent out of shape and because Breitbart knew
this was a scam or bullcrap. And so he got bent out of shape and
said, Oh my god, I'm quitting. I'm quitting Breitbart. I'm
gonna go. We're gonna start our own magazine ad. It was
obviously in the works. The Daily Caller guy. Yes, yes. He
went over there. And that's where he created his podcast,
which became a radio show, and I'm not gonna say he's not a
decent broadcaster. I mean, he's, he's not the best I've
ever heard. But he's, he's professional enough that he can
do it. And, but he's still a truck, you know? And he was a
Trump hater all along. And now he relents. he relents because
he was just what's his choice? He's got no other choice. He's
got to fall in line with one of these Democrats are no good. So,
but he's a neocon of sorts. And I don't trust him.
Adam Curry: You know, the keeper used to listen to him a lot. And
she actually kind of got turned off by his transitions to adds
to it. She said, so it's jarring. It's so jarring. I
John C. Dvorak: know some blacks Yeah, could not move and he
can't
Adam Curry: even say I mean, his segways are so dorm dorky. And
then it's before you know it like what is it just yelling at
you with an ad now apparently, I think she stopped listening
because of that. Because of the odd. Those. Yeah, just jarring.
She said jarring.
John C. Dvorak: It is jarring. He's not good at that. And it's
a that's a certain skill that he doesn't have.
Adam Curry: But he clearly has an audience of hot chicks.
John C. Dvorak: Maybe, no, I'm pretty sure I'm reasoning. He's
He's some women consider him to be a handsome, fast talker.
Adam Curry: There you go. Quick on the Draw.
John C. Dvorak: He's definitely a guy you wouldn't want to get
into an argument with because he is quick witted. Very quick.
Adam Curry: See? Oh, yes. I've been holding on to this for a
bit here. And let's see we have some green New Deal stuff. What
did I Oh, yeah. California. It's very interesting. Uber iOS.
Yeah. You know, California, is now trying to, and there's
reasons for this is trying to cement into the psyche, that
hydropower, ie water is not renewable energy. They don't
yeah, they don't want it to count as renewable energy. Where
I think it's just like sun and wind. Isn't it kind of the
definition of renewable energy?
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you put a dam up and it fills up and water
goes through the dam and grace it lectricity It rains fills the
dam up goes through. Yeah, it's very renewable. So the college
did less renewable than sunshine.
Adam Curry: Well, here, here's where here's what becomes
important. I'm sorry, important, important. It becomes important,
where they have targets to hit, you know, by 2030 60% of all
electricity in California a needs to come from renewable
sources. So does this mean that they're trying to get more money
into wind and solar and say, Oh, no, that doesn't count. You
can't say that. That's part of our 60% more money into wind and
solar, whereas I think hydropower is without question.
Very effective.
John C. Dvorak: Well, they've been taken some dams out. Now
brother, and they did that in Washington State too. They
screwed up some area that
Adam Curry: why why why are they taking the dams out the fish
John C. Dvorak: to fish are having trouble getting all the
Adam Curry: fish? Well, here's the Doofus of the Week clip from
that true doe your candid Navion PM. This is virtue signaling
gone wrong where he is asked about what he's really doing to
conserve and to to be a part of you know, not ruining the
environment you
Unknown: and your family do to cut back on plastics. We, we
have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of
water out of when we have water bottles out of a plastic sorry,
away from plastic towards paper. Like drink box, water bottles
sort of things. There's there's a number
Adam Curry: of Drink, drink box, water, drink box, water bottles
type of things. You want to get that one again. because it's so
good the beauty of you and
Unknown: your family do to cut back on plastics we we have
recently switched to drinking water bottles out of water out
of when we have water bottles out of a plastic sorry away from
plastic towards paper like drink box water models sort of things
Adam Curry: there's big box water drinks bog water bottle
thing kind of for him please say well we don't use plastic we are
we're we're good. We're good to the environment. That's virtue
signaling gone wrong, ladies and gentlemen.
John C. Dvorak: Was Yeah, to epic fail. Yes. Drew, what do
you what name would show me a picture one of these drink box
water thing.
Adam Curry: So the FCC is, is working on some tactics here
regarding 5g, which is probably worth looking at. Now we know
that as 5g rolls out, there's a whole bunch of issues with where
we're going to place where we where the the microwave
transmitters are going to be placed. And already we have
municipalities are in what's passing laws, they want to make
sure that you know there's not too much money can be spent and
the network's are looking for ways, easy ways to pay people
with properties to put up antennas basically. And there's
there's an acronym for it. It's Oh tarde, which I like a lot o
tard. Everybody, it turns
Unknown: out the Federal Communications Commission, the
FCC has an old rule called the O tard rule, which stands for over
the air reception device. The rule was adopted as part of the
1996 Telecommunications Act, and it prohibits any local authority
or private landlord from restricting the right of
homeowners or tenants to install a satellite dish or other
antenna to receive video signals back in 2002. In response to the
fast growing internet, the FCC changed the wording of this rule
to include transmitting antennas as well as receiving antennas.
But even then, the antenna had to be primarily for use by the
tenant or homeowner, the Oh tarde rule has never ever
applied to transmitting antennas intended to send signals to
other people in the neighborhood. Until now, the FCC
has quietly proposed a change in the O tarde rule that would
cover what they call hubs. This would allow any homeowner to
have a 5g wireless antenna installed on his property. And
according to the FCC, and power consumers to help bring
competitive wireless broadband to their community by hosting
hub sites. Yeah, since the attendance will be on private
property, there will be no hearing no notice, no
opportunity to object. You might not even know about it. Unless
of course you had a meter to measure the radiation.
Adam Curry: So this is concerning that your neighbor
can now put one at will when the rule changes your neighbor could
put up a hob and be the rule. Sorry, stop the rule. Yeah, who
that but they're all for the rule.
John C. Dvorak: It's a dumb rule. Now let's start you get
Did you This is now i Very irked about this by the way.
Adam Curry: I thought I'm glad you are. So
John C. Dvorak: do you. So I have one of these five G
repeaters in my roof. For the beam down on my neighbor's
Adam Curry: let's say yes to fry get paid. Yes. Yeah, you'll get
paid so much. I don't know. Yeah, but I'm sure handsomely.
John C. Dvorak: I know you get paid handsomely. If you have a
giant cell tower with a whole bunch of antennas and radios on
the you've seen this, there's a bookstore if you one of the most
famous bookstores in Detroit, that is an old used bookstore
that's like six seven storeys high of all the maybe taller of
just a fantastic collection of old books. And it's everyone in
Detroit knows this place is very famous. And I've always wondered
how they ever make a living it because all the good old
bookstores like homes in Oakland for example, had been shut down
because it really didn't nobody buys books, nobody gives a shit.
But then I saw on the roof they have a huge antenna array.
They're making all their money you know by selling their roof
to the cell phone guys and they make a lot of money. I think you
get paid a fortune for every one of these towers like 10 grand a
month.
Adam Curry: Oh really? Oh, that's pretty damn good. Well, I
John C. Dvorak: and there was a number floating around I can't
remember it but if you're gonna put this thing in your house and
you're gonna be sitting there as a as a stool pigeon, stupid
transmitter, you better get paid a grand or two. Yeah. They want
what they can't afford it.
Adam Curry: But regardless, you'll be called an O tard. And
just like the name, I just, we got all kinds Hamza tardes. And
I'm happy that we you know, if you're all this is just a new no
agenda rule, if you're all in on 5g, you're an O tard.
John C. Dvorak: I've advised people I have one of these
getting some of these signal processing load the VI handheld
devices, you just have two of them. You should have one that
does radio frequency and it can sense all these frequencies
around so you can see if you gotta
Adam Curry: hear what's going on a spectrum analyzer. What do you
have? Yes, exactly. Which we did, which was a little handy. I
want to know what you have. So we can we can offer these I have
John C. Dvorak: to go I kind of lost it in the house. But
Adam Curry: don't worry, it's under some recipes somewhere
it's around.
John C. Dvorak: The other one is a everyone's I was looking at
this because I was watching some guy floating around on one of
his YouTube videos with his little Geiger counter. And he
had the brand he showed the guy who kind of looked up the brands
and his Geiger counter cost $1,000 Low expensive I started
looking into Amazon for Geiger counters and there's some pretty
cheap Geiger counters you can get that are apparently are
quite good.
Adam Curry: But what does it respond to? It responds to
plutonium or uranium or any any any radiation you should I have
one of those old those old school world war two yellow
ones.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah, those are great. Does it have the probe or
not? Like it doesn't have low
Adam Curry: pro, but it does, it does have a probe?
John C. Dvorak: Oh, well, that probably still works, because
it's a Geiger tube, which is what the probe is. But you can
buy these little Geiger tubes. And you put one on your phone,
and it works with like, I think Apple has some software. So you
can put the Geiger tube on your on your Apple phone, and then
you can turn it on and run as software. Oh, we have one of
these, which we should sell remediation sneak Yes. Oh, tar
detectors. But this wouldn't be for Oh tardes. That's the other
thing. You need the RF frequency analyzer for that. Okay. But
just the devices, everyone should have a couple of these,
you should have two of these devices. You have an RF
frequency analyzer and you should have a handheld Geiger
counter. And you should just check stuff you don't know
Adam Curry: everybody needs one. Listen up people. You need one
of these frequency analyzer, spectrum analyzer and an Geiger
counter Geiger counter. How can you live without it? We should
be selling iodine. Just the thought, No,
John C. Dvorak: I didn't know about that. I'm not getting that
far off. Topic. Well, let's take a look. Here's a couple of dumb
stories. Oh, no. Let's go back to the politics. So this is a
classic and this is two people presenting the story. This is
this is just killing me. Kellyanne Conway and the Hatch
Act that got two clips. Let's start with the PBS version.
Unknown: The White House today dismissed a call to fire
presidential aide Kellyanne Conway, the US Office of Special
Counsel unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Muller's office
said that Conway repeatedly violated the Hatch Act, a law
that limits political activity by government employees. The
independent agency cited Conway's criticism of Democratic
presidential candidates. It also quoted her as saying, if you're
trying to silence me through the Hatch Act, it's not going to
work. The White House condemned the finding as deeply flawed.
John C. Dvorak: So the Hatch Act was designed to keep people the
president from taking everybody in the White House and having
him do calls, phone calls to duck to get money. I mean,
that's pretty much what the thing was designed for.
Kellyanne goes out and she says, Yeah, this guy's an idiot. Oh,
that's that's political. That's political. She says it's not
really political. It's a comment. And it's probably
accurate. But let's hear a democracy. Now. It takes it to
the next level and they really slammer.
Unknown: A federal watchdog recommended Thursday, Kellyanne
Conway be removed from her post as White House counselor for
violating the Hatch Act a law barring federal employees from
engaging in political activity as part of their official
duties. And reports submitted to President Trump the Office of
Special Counsel called Conway a repeat offender saying she's
repeatedly used TV appearances and social media to disparage
Democratic presidential candidates. Among Conways ethics
violations. She twice violated the Hatch Act by endorsing
Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore while
speaking in her official capacity for the White House. In
early 2017. Conway used an appearance on Fox and Friends to
promote the Ivanka Trump clothing line sold by the
president's daughter. Ivanka stuff is what I would find
myself today it's a wonderful line. I own some of it. I fully
I'm gonna just give it I'm gonna give a free commercial here. Go
buy it today. Everybody could find it online. Legal experts
say the Office of Special Counsel does not have the
authority to discipline Conway and President Trump can simply
ignore the agency's recommendation. He did.
John C. Dvorak: Ivanka Trump makes some nice clothes. Go buy
it. How's that political?
Adam Curry: I'm asking you It's well, I'm confused about
something else about this this constant. It's not Robert
Mueller it but on one hand, it was Democracy Now was this is
the special Counsels office but in the PBS it was, well, this is
PBS
Unknown: White House today dismissed a call to fire
presidential aide Kellyanne Conway, the US Office of Special
Counsel unrelated to Special Counsel Robert Muller's, aka
Adam Curry: the US Office of Special Counsel. I'm not
familiar with the US Office of Special Counsel, what is that?
John C. Dvorak: I don't know. But apparently they're busy
bodies. They have no power. They make all these e6. And why don't
they do with all the press? I mean, it's like, this is
bullcrap. I mean, it's the worst kind of bullcrap they're
looking, they're just grasping at straws. They're doing the
same thing with this clip here. This is unfortunately I wrote it
Trump as our EU, because it's M O rumo. Okay,
Unknown: this election, way to go.
The head of the Federal Elections Commission warned
Thursday that candidates for public office are prohibited by
law from receiving help from foreign government. The warning
was a clear rebuke to President Trump, after he told ABC is
George Stephanopoulos this week that he might accept dirt on
political rivals from foreign actors in the 2020. Election,
your campaign this time around if foreigners if Russia if China
if someone else offers you information on opponent, should
they accept it, or should they call the FBI?
I think maybe you do both. I think you might want to listen,
I don't there's nothing wrong with listening. If somebody
called from a country, Norway, we have information on your
opponent. Oh,
I think I'd want to hear it. You want that kind of interference
in our elections. It's
John C. Dvorak: not an interference. They
Unknown: have information. I think I'd take it.
In a statement posted online one day after Trump's remarks aired
on ABC FEC chair Ellen Weintraub said, let me make something 100%
clear to the American public and anyone running for public
office. It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept or
receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection
with the US election. This is not a novel concept she wrote.
All right. I really
Adam Curry: want to know what Norway knows. Because these
things don't don't come out of nowhere. United States Office of
Special Counsel is a permanent independent federal
investigative and prosecutorial agency whose basic legislative
authority comes from four federal statutes, the civil
service reform act, the Whistleblower Protection Act,
the Hatch Act and the Uniformed Services Employment and
Reemployment Rights Act. OSC its primary mission is the
safeguarding of the merit system in federal employment by
protecting employees and applicants from prohibited
personnel practices. So they should have actually gone to
Kellyanne Conway and said, Hey, you should not be doing this.
Instead, they go to the media, I guess, is what I'm seeing. Well,
John C. Dvorak: if you if you reread what you just read, which
is the prosecutorial aspect of it, why don't they indict her?
Why don't they prosecutor if their prosecutorial it, which is
what it said that what you read?
Adam Curry: Yes, well, this is Wikipedia. So who knows? The
hash could be wrong,
John C. Dvorak: but generally speaking with this sort of
thing, they're not wrong. So if that's the case, why and because
everyone disclaims as well, that he doesn't have to do anything,
he doesn't have to do anything. Well, why don't they do it?
Well,
Adam Curry: hold on. There's some exemptions. Here, the Hatch
Act of 1939. Officially an act to prevent pernicious political
activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision
prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal
government except the President, Vice President and certain
designated high level officials from engaging in some forms of
political activity. So let's take a look at who these high
level officials could be. So what are the what are the what
are the exemptions? Well,
John C. Dvorak: they wouldn't have made a fuss if Kellyanne
was an exemption. So the exemption has to be the vice
president for sure.
Adam Curry: Well, it's it says vice president and certain
designated high level officials, I think it has anyone been
prosecuted under this.
John C. Dvorak: This is a bull crap operate. This is a drinking
club. There's a bunch of these little government agencies that
do nothing more than why they got it. Hey, we haven't done a
report in five years. What are we going to do?
Adam Curry: So these employees who who fall under the Hatch Act
may not use official authority or influence to interfere with
an election? Jeez,
John C. Dvorak: that's pretty broad that has to do with Ivanka
Trump's dresses
Adam Curry: solicit or discourage political activity of
anyone with business before their agency, solicit or receive
political contributions? Oh, there it is because she receives
some clothing. be candidates for public office in partisan
elections, engage in political activities while on duty and
government office wearing An official uniform using a
government vehicle. It is bullcrap. It's total. It's
misogynist is what it is.
John C. Dvorak: Well, in this case, yes, I agree completely
misogynist.
So, unfortunately Sarah Sanders is quitting. I do have a clip to
announce that.
Unknown: Separately, President Trump announced that White House
press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders is leaving at the end of
the month. At a White House event. He called her a warrior.
Sanders said she's going home to Arkansas to spend more time with
her family.
This has been the honor of a lifetime the opportunity of a
lifetime. I couldn't be prouder to have had the opportunity to
serve my country, and particularly to work for this
President. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to be one of
the most outspoken and loyal supporters of the President and
his agenda.
Sanders worked on the Trump campaign joined the White House
staff and took over as press secretary in mid 2017. Her
tenure was marked by the end of regular media briefings and
questions about her credibility
Adam Curry: on the virtual virtue signaling Twitter. It was
quite discouraging to see fellow countrymen post such stuff as I
hope she never works. Again that line bit touches people leave.
It's really gotta wonder how many people that are cesspool
John C. Dvorak: that's for sure.
Adam Curry: I have one here about the president united we
Unknown: know you disagree about that we have a whole day ahead
to go on this before we go. One of the things you have as
presidents the access to all the information in the world, all
the mysteries out there, and I was just struck in the last
couple of weeks reading more and more reports of Navy pilots
seeing lots and lots of UFOs. If you've done that, what do you
make? If
John C. Dvorak: I have I think it's probably I want them to
think whatever they think they do say I mean, I've seen I've
seen and I've read and I've heard and I did have one very
brief meeting on it, but people are saying the same UFOs do I
believe it? Not particularly do you think you'd
Unknown: know? If there were evidence of extraterrestrial who
I think by
great, our great pilots would know. And some of them really
see things that are a little bit different than in the past. So
we're gonna see, but we'll watch it, you'll be the first to know.
John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Be the first to know. So that's a lie,
lie. That would go down as a lie. Yeah.
Adam Curry: So if he really knows everything, the question I
would have asked was, so Did you ever see the birth certificate?
That's the question, I'd want to know
John C. Dvorak: that these guys aren't asking anything that we'd
ask.
Adam Curry: This was probably a good reason for it. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: that's why we're here. Doing a podcast.
Adam Curry: I'll give you one more than we gotta go. It's time
Well, I
John C. Dvorak: actually have I need to put two because one
knows the story don't want short, just 20 seconds, just to
get it out of the way this the heatwave in India. So we know
this is not being reported.
Unknown: Meanwhile, Indian officials are blaming an intense
heat wave and drought for at least 36 deaths in some region
south of Mumbai, India, whole villages have been evacuated,
with an estimated 90% of residents fleeing their homes in
recent weeks due to searing drought and crop failures. On
Monday, India's capital Delhi recorded an all time high
temperature of 48 degrees Celsius, nearly 120 degrees
Fahrenheit.
Adam Curry: Well, that was the whole report. Yeah, that can't
be the whole report.
John C. Dvorak: But because she didn't go on and on about global
warming Yeah,
Adam Curry: the climate crisis. Yeah,
John C. Dvorak: I know why she went into next segment she
brought it up okay. But it wasn't about this. I don't know
why she didn't bring it up it just who actually baffling Yes,
and the lat the it's totally bad. I agree. And the last tip
is just to catch us up so we keep up with this is the only a
lot of clips I could play but this we do have to keep up with
China versus Hong Kong and this is the update so 149 is long
clip. Okay,
Unknown: after a week of protests, a concession from the
head of Hong Kong's government, she announced the indefinite
suspension of a controversial bill that would allow
extraditions to mainland China.
My relevant colleagues and I have made our best efforts. But
I have to admit that our explanation and communication
work has not been sufficient or effective. The console will hot
as work in relation to the bill until our working communication
explanation and listening to opinions is completed.
Adam Curry: The move comes amid intense pressure from the
streets more than a million demonstrators last weekend
according to organizers, followed by another mass march
on Wednesday. That protest was marked by clashes with the
police fired off rubber bullets as well as tear gas opponents of
Bill aren't satisfied with the government's announcement.
They're maintaining a call to protest on Sunday.
Unknown: This bill passes. It's definitely unfair to Hong Kong.
We don't want postponement or more deliberation, it must be a
withdrawal. We will definitely come out and stand our ground
Sunday and tell them we want to treat without withdrawal of the
bill.
Adam Curry: A pro democracy lawmaker also expressed
disappointment. Criticizing Hong Kong chief executive Carrie Lam
refuses to withdrawal to this election felt altogether. It
would mean
Unknown: we wouldn't retreat has lost credibility amongst the
Hong Kong people. She must step down.
Critics of the proposed law say it encroaches on Hong Kong's
autonomy. China for its part, says it supports the decision to
suspend the bill.
Adam Curry: One of our producers who is Chinese Canadian American
sent me a note kind of a scathing note. He says I'd like
to get and I called him on I said, you cannot bitch at us. If
you if your boots on the ground or your Chinese and you are
reading stuff and you know what's happening you just tell
us and not come on bitch that we're that we suck because we
didn't get it right. Apparently, this law stems from a case of
failed extradition, which set a murderer free, this guy chopped
up his girlfriend is pregnant girlfriend, cut her up into
pieces and then stuffed her into his briefcase. He escaped back
to Hong Kong. And so the Taiwanese failed to extradite
him back to Taiwan for trial. And so somehow, this then led to
this extradition order so they could pull people back from
anywhere. But the Genesis was a brutal murderer. And I think
that we us us probably took advantage of the situation and
helped stoke these these protests to make China look
stupid.
John C. Dvorak: Of course, so we do. Yeah. And we didn't know
what was Taiwan. Yeah. What's that got to do with the
mainland,
Adam Curry: as well, because they want to be able to
extradite from, from anywhere we know anywhere in the world.
John C. Dvorak: If it was Taiwan, they just shipped to get
it back to Taiwan. Hey,
Adam Curry: I'm just reading the news our producers give us I
don't have the answers, but I'm pretty sure we were all up in
arms and happy to stoke some of these protests and get
everybody. Lamb. Yes. It's ongoing has not stopped yet. are
good,
John C. Dvorak: just same way I feel about bringing Assange in
under some screwball pretense. Exactly. And these million
people, it's over a million people that are bitching and
moaning in Hong Kong. They can't, where they're all wrong.
And this, you know, the Chinese are writing they're
misunderstood according to lamb. That's what she says it's a
failure to communicate is nonsense.
Adam Curry: Well, hopefully, more of our producers will still
weigh in with more information, which we will gladly disseminate
to you, or decimate, as some would say. On the next episode,
which will be Thursday, and I'll be in Portugal. John will be
somewhere
John C. Dvorak: in northern selenium line at Target.
Adam Curry: If you're listening to us on no agenda stream.com
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John C. Dvorak: not going to happen. These guys done this
Adam Curry: versus the smart. This is what we heard everybody.
Unknown: When Rachel Maddow went up sigo Sean Hannity,
they're creatures of their opinion.
The left right paradigm gives me insanity, trying to tell me
about the Buddha Buddha. Well, every time I watch it used to
give it another try. Someone always says you're all gonna
die. I can do no agenda cures bad summertime news, hurricanes,
storms, wildfires.
We are dying now.
These are the discussions that have to be happening right now.
Well, I heard in May they spoke Oreo cookies and a new study
tonight. Around it consumes so much fun though he got so used
to getting news off the internet. So I think
my TV out doesn't make me sick living on a deserted island
might do the trick. Due to agenda cures bad small town
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I tried to click out of it but the following is following the
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tensions rising in the Gulf following the tanker attack near
Iran, the
Adam Curry: Islamic Republic of Iran is responsible for the
attacks that occurred in the Gulf of Oman today,
Unknown: an attack that came exactly as Japanese Prime
Minister Shinzo Ave met with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran
supreme leader.
If you actually look at domestic shale producer stocks yesterday,
they all went up the US shale boom is insulating the US
economy and financial markets from events like this, which is
really good news for the for the US economy. This assessment is
based on intelligence. Isn't that right intelligence? That is
affirmative.
Yeah. It is inexcusably inaccurate to suggest that
anyone lied about
the idea that we adopted such intelligence is completely and
totally false. He talked about how you fell to your stomach
when you found that there were no weapons of mass destruction
in the next century, the community of nations may see
more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now. A
rogue state with weapons of mass destruction.
I wish we'd found weapons of mass destruction. Bottom line,
there were no weapons of mass destruction. They said there are
weapons of mass destruction, I will get
worse, there are things I would do differently. And I actually
have thought about that time.
I'd be more skepticism the American Congress in 2002, that
war could not have been waged, at least not at any rate, not on
the basis of weapons of mass destruction.
The one about the two said suggested you know, when the
Times published that story on the front page, and you know,
with kind of welcome sign for Dick Cheney and Condi Rice to go
on the Sunday show us blamed Iran and will raise the issue
with the United Nations Security Council meeting,
Adam Curry: these unprovoked attacks present a clear threat
to international peace and security, a blatant assault on
the freedom of navigation and an unacceptable campaign of
escalating tension by Iran. Now, I
Unknown: want to make the case for secrecy and government when
it comes to the conduct of national security affairs and
possibly for deception where that's appropriate. If I had to
say something I knew was false to protect American national
security. I would do it
obviously, the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake. All right.
Well, Iran didn't do it. And you know, they did it because you
saw the boat. I guess one of the mines didn't explode and it's
probably got essentially Iran written all over it.org/in
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