1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,250 Adam Curry: Are they hiring people on voice anymore on NPR 2 00:00:02,250 --> 00:00:05,220 or are they just hiring anybody? I don't know. 3 00:00:05,580 --> 00:00:07,590 Unknown: Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,560 Adam Curry: Sunday, May 5 2019. This is your award winning get 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,100 my nation media assassination episode 1135. 6 00:00:14,250 --> 00:00:18,390 Unknown: This is no agenda. Celebrating several 7 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:20,610 Adam Curry: CEOs and broadcasting live from the 8 00:00:20,610 --> 00:00:23,610 frontier of Austin, Texas Capitol drove Star State in the 9 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:25,560 morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry, 10 00:00:25,770 --> 00:00:28,020 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where 11 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:35,610 everybody's celebrating Cinco de Mayo. I'm John C. Dvorak. Raglan 12 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:36,420 Buzzkill. 13 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:42,540 Adam Curry: Wow, was that your Mexican thing? It's very 14 00:00:42,540 --> 00:00:43,230 authentic. 15 00:00:43,830 --> 00:00:46,800 John C. Dvorak: As opposed to what? I don't know. I don't have 16 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:47,670 my guitar. 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,930 Adam Curry: Well, Happy Cinco de Mayo. Junk lower by 18 00:00:51,930 --> 00:00:52,770 John C. Dvorak: sombrero. 19 00:00:52,830 --> 00:00:53,730 Adam Curry: Yes, yes. 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,980 John C. Dvorak: So a bunch of other events today. If you look 21 00:00:55,980 --> 00:00:58,830 on the list, it's unbelievable. How many things are going on the 22 00:00:58,830 --> 00:01:01,440 day like this? Well, you know, you know, five, this is the 23 00:01:01,830 --> 00:01:06,930 night you know, for 405 and do for the first No, I'm sorry, the 24 00:01:06,930 --> 00:01:11,640 first perfect game was pitched by Cy Young. I put that in the 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,580 newsletter, but it says nobody got the newsletter. I thought I 26 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:15,660 mentioned it on the show. 27 00:01:15,690 --> 00:01:18,210 Adam Curry: Now is this really true? Is this what happened that 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,490 people didn't receive? I received it. But of course I 29 00:01:20,490 --> 00:01:23,790 don't use Gmail. And it was a good newsletter at 30 00:01:23,790 --> 00:01:25,230 John C. Dvorak: Gmail phenomenon. I think it's 31 00:01:25,230 --> 00:01:27,720 MailChimp. tell you why I say that. Because of all the 32 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,120 different ones. There are a lot of people that use Gmail in the 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,370 background. But it was I asked and I got note after note after 34 00:01:35,370 --> 00:01:38,190 No, no, I looked here I looked in spam. I looked at trash, I 35 00:01:38,190 --> 00:01:42,720 didn't see it. And I wrote all their names down. And this like 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,960 dozens. And I'm sure that most people, you know, some people 37 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:49,410 won't even get the second note. But it takes a little effort to 38 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:54,450 just I'm sure that the the names and email addresses I received 39 00:01:54,450 --> 00:01:58,770 back saying they never could find it is only a portion 40 00:01:59,130 --> 00:02:00,960 because most people aren't going to bother. Do 41 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,720 Adam Curry: I have a theory about it? I might my theory now 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,890 we were celebrating different Santos today. And my theory is 43 00:02:07,890 --> 00:02:10,380 that Theo adorables picture broke the internet. 44 00:02:11,070 --> 00:02:15,720 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. If actually such that could be, but 45 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,380 somebody actually came up with a very interesting, a little out 46 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:25,020 there and a little creepy explanation, which I noted might 47 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:32,130 be a possibility. All right. In the caption on his picture in 48 00:02:32,130 --> 00:02:35,970 particular, I mentioned bank passwords. 49 00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:40,740 Adam Curry: Oh, that's right for yet. And it was family passwords 50 00:02:40,740 --> 00:02:44,520 and bank accounts or something like that. Yeah. And you think 51 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,860 that they're going that deep into the content to filter out 52 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:49,320 and that would be dangerous or? Well, I guess it would be seen 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:55,590 as spam. Yeah, passwords bank. Or at least suspicious? Well, 54 00:02:56,010 --> 00:02:59,550 the thing that got me is, man, this kid looks just like you. 55 00:02:59,730 --> 00:03:01,830 That's I couldn't get past that. 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,340 John C. Dvorak: He looks just like my son actually. 57 00:03:05,370 --> 00:03:10,650 Adam Curry: Wow, dude. He's a little mini JCD if I ever saw 58 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:13,530 one people's mouths fall open when they see that picture of 59 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:16,230 him. Way to exploit them. By the way, Gramps. Good job. 60 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,320 John C. Dvorak: Yeah. Nobody gets the email. 61 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:27,810 Adam Curry: Well, all right. So it's a Cinco de Mayo for Mexico. 62 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,210 It is Theodore Bowles. Is it second birthday third? Second 63 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:34,020 second birthday. 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,690 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I'm on the list by the way. I never put 65 00:03:36,690 --> 00:03:37,380 them on the list. 66 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:40,740 Adam Curry: That's interesting. No one put them on a list the 67 00:03:40,740 --> 00:03:45,660 whole Devorah clan left out the door abused the kid for the 68 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:49,020 newsletter. But don't give them any any props or anything in the 69 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:52,560 show. So who should I say this is coming from? Is it from 70 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,400 grandpa John? 71 00:03:54,990 --> 00:03:58,080 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, you say guess what does he call you? 72 00:04:02,250 --> 00:04:03,390 He's not a talker. 73 00:04:09,210 --> 00:04:11,310 Adam Curry: Okay, he's not a doctor. 74 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:17,430 Well, I'd say as long as he's the entire time he's not a taco 75 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:18,870 talker is probably good. 76 00:04:20,790 --> 00:04:24,030 John C. Dvorak: Once they start, it's all over. Yak, yak, yak, 77 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:24,660 yak yak. 78 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,500 Adam Curry: It is also Liberation Day in the 79 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:32,340 Netherlands which is celebrated quite largely. Yeah, with the 80 00:04:32,340 --> 00:04:33,150 day used to be 81 00:04:33,180 --> 00:04:35,910 John C. Dvorak: EU day today. I think they've moved us to the 82 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:37,080 ninth to the nine 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,210 Adam Curry: Yes, yeah. They moved it to the ninth I don't 84 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:41,250 know if anyone actually celebrates it. What do they do 85 00:04:41,250 --> 00:04:48,810 on EU day? No. It's okay because we will be able to we will be 86 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:51,090 able to celebrate it on the next show. I believe the ninth is 87 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:53,430 Thursday so it works out perfectly. We can still 88 00:04:53,430 --> 00:04:59,940 participate in EU day night and today is also mine the keepers 89 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,850 The fourth anniversary of our first date. 90 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,320 John C. Dvorak: Do you have an anniversary of your first kiss 91 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:07,650 too? 92 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,890 Adam Curry: It is interesting how women do keep track of 93 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:20,760 dates. Mine does. Because actually, today was the 15th. 94 00:05:21,479 --> 00:05:24,989 John C. Dvorak: Are you claiming ownership? You said mine? 95 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:27,510 Adam Curry: Mine was fine. What? 96 00:05:27,780 --> 00:05:30,090 John C. Dvorak: Are you claiming ownership of this woman? 97 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:36,000 Adam Curry: Oh, hell yeah. I put a ring on that. That's when 98 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,910 that's where you get to own it. And although the question is 99 00:05:38,910 --> 00:05:42,990 who's really owned here and the relationship? Yeah, let's see, 100 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:49,830 we celebrated last night we went out to dinner for we went to one 101 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:52,500 of our favorite places when we live downtown, which you can 102 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:55,620 only go to once in a while. It's true Lux. 103 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,130 John C. Dvorak: Yesterday we talked about. Yeah. 104 00:06:00,570 --> 00:06:04,140 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was nice. Ah, so yeah. So lots to 105 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:07,410 celebrate today. Congratulations, everybody. And 106 00:06:07,410 --> 00:06:13,080 I wanted to jump in with Venezuela for a very specific 107 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,940 reason, because I received after the last show, I received three 108 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:21,150 separate emails, one was addressed to both of us. And 109 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:26,370 John, you replied to it. Did you remember when Hillary Clinton 110 00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:30,780 State Department was recruiting and training technical experts? 111 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,450 John C. Dvorak: Oh, yeah, that we made a big deal about that on 112 00:06:33,450 --> 00:06:36,180 the show. Yeah, she had techno experts in there. That's when 113 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:39,450 they that's when the internet in a box was available. 114 00:06:39,479 --> 00:06:43,679 Adam Curry: That was part of it. And they were training kids all 115 00:06:43,679 --> 00:06:47,729 over the world and getting him special, special techno expert 116 00:06:47,729 --> 00:06:48,959 universities. 117 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:51,780 John C. Dvorak: And that was eventually handed over to Soros. 118 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:53,310 Well, 119 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:57,990 Adam Curry: I have a feeling that we've looked at this at 120 00:06:57,990 --> 00:07:02,610 this attempted coup. And pretty much what we said on the last 121 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:06,180 show was, okay, we see what's going on. But this is this is 122 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:11,160 50s 50s ideas. I said 80s you correctly took it back to the 123 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,370 50s. They're doing it in a way that is wag the dog style, you 124 00:07:14,370 --> 00:07:17,520 know, it's not working, we're not falling for television 125 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,450 doesn't work the same. So now they bring out I think the 126 00:07:21,450 --> 00:07:25,500 techno experts and for some bizarre reason they've latched 127 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:28,470 on to us, which could mean that we're of some importance. I 128 00:07:28,470 --> 00:07:31,800 don't know, we're I probably think we're just on a list in 129 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,310 the State Department. But all of these emails were the same, 130 00:07:35,340 --> 00:07:37,620 except they were from different people. And I found this to be 131 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:39,780 interesting. So read this. Yeah, only 132 00:07:39,780 --> 00:07:43,350 John C. Dvorak: got it. Well, let's say that I got the one 133 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:47,700 which I responded to. And now that you mentioned it was didn't 134 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:51,900 really make any sense because it was not based on anything we 135 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:56,370 said, Well, exactly. So that's why I didn't know if I got the 136 00:07:56,370 --> 00:07:57,570 other two. You said no, no, 137 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,130 Adam Curry: the other two were just to me. So I don't know if 138 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:02,010 you got any individually, but they were only sent to me. So 139 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:05,430 the one the one that you reply to was from 140 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:09,179 John C. Dvorak: once you read it and read my reply. Oh, okay. 141 00:08:09,930 --> 00:08:11,760 Adam Curry: Well, you don't have your reply handy. 142 00:08:12,780 --> 00:08:15,420 John C. Dvorak: No, I'm not ready for this segment. So of 143 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:15,690 course, 144 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:18,330 Adam Curry: you should always be ready. 145 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:24,150 Excuse me, Adam And, John, you must correct your stance on 146 00:08:24,150 --> 00:08:27,150 Venezuela. You have many donors belonging to the Venezuela 147 00:08:27,150 --> 00:08:30,960 diaspora and Trump slash Magga supporters. You must support 148 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,290 President Donald Trump, Mike Pompeo, Elliott Abrams and John 149 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:37,350 Bolton in seeking freedom and democracy for the Venezuelan 150 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:40,860 people, just like you currently enjoy. This is where I'm already 151 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:44,100 like, you're putting all those people into the same list. It's 152 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:47,490 like and we're supposed to support those those douchebags. 153 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,720 Nicolas Maduro is an evil authoritarian dictator who has 154 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,360 turned our once wealthy and flourishing country into a 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,410 basket case. And here comes the common thread. Please watch the 156 00:08:58,410 --> 00:09:01,620 video from Dr. Steve botanic on YouTube. It is highly 157 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:05,370 educational and informative. And there's a link. I'm sure if you 158 00:09:05,370 --> 00:09:08,010 change your stance donations will rapidly increase and will 159 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:10,920 highlight the revolutionary success of the value for value 160 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,810 model. Last but not least, as an American you should genuinely 161 00:09:15,810 --> 00:09:18,660 support the dismantling of Russian Chinese Iranian 162 00:09:18,660 --> 00:09:24,750 Hezbollah Narco terror project in Venezuela. And to which you 163 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:30,960 responded. I didn't actually put the response in my show notes on 164 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,060 my show prep, but I have it here somewhere. 165 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,100 I thought it was thought I did at least well, what would you 166 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:43,590 have said if if you remember what 167 00:09:43,589 --> 00:09:46,499 John C. Dvorak: it was that you know what we're not here? I 168 00:09:46,499 --> 00:09:49,679 said, Yeah, we don't like the Maduro guy. We never liked 169 00:09:49,709 --> 00:09:53,399 Chavez. But we're here to deconstruct news and make news 170 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:56,759 more understandable for the public. And we're not here to 171 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:00,539 promote revolution any place it's not what we do. We're dues 172 00:10:00,539 --> 00:10:05,549 and analysts period. Then I left it at that because that's what 173 00:10:05,549 --> 00:10:09,839 we do. We don't we're not here to pound the drum for some 174 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:10,679 operation. 175 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:14,550 Adam Curry: Interestingly, interestingly, we think we even 176 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:16,950 said yeah, you know, we see what's going on. We can have 177 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:20,970 ballistic missiles from the Russians just like the Cuba 178 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:24,870 crisis, quote too close to us. But Trump should just be honest 179 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:26,610 and say, here's what we're doing. Here's what we're doing 180 00:10:26,610 --> 00:10:30,180 about it. So here's the next Texas Tech no expert. The 181 00:10:30,180 --> 00:10:35,520 similarities are interesting. You sir, dearest Adam curry your 182 00:10:35,730 --> 00:10:39,330 wrist Dyrus you can almost hear the the form letter. You sir, 183 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:43,590 are misleading your viewers to this person. Wait, hold on. This 184 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:46,560 is a new one. Yeah, this is a second one. Yeah, viewers. Yeah. 185 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:48,810 So they don't don't even know what the show is. But listen, 186 00:10:49,140 --> 00:10:51,720 because it's the same as what you receive. So this person does 187 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,170 not know that there's nothing to view so they've never heard the 188 00:10:55,170 --> 00:10:59,760 show. You, sir, are misleading your viewers and painting a CIA 189 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,660 led conspiracy theory on Venezuela. This behavior is 190 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:06,960 utterly shameful and short sighted. The Venezuelan people 191 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,930 are struggling under a horrific, brutal regime where women are 192 00:11:09,930 --> 00:11:12,510 raped and children are tortured as political intimidation and 193 00:11:12,510 --> 00:11:16,200 retribution. As you have cited numerous times. Here it is. Dr. 194 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,050 Steve polygenic is an individual of impeccable standing and 195 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:22,350 credibility in the field of Foreign Affairs. I hereby refer 196 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:25,530 you refer you to his YouTube video on the matter, titled Opus 197 00:11:25,530 --> 00:11:29,310 147 Venezuela coup slow start, you will find facts that you 198 00:11:29,310 --> 00:11:32,190 should repeat to your viewers on the show this coming Sunday. 199 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:36,060 Hello Viewers pay attention. President Trump and his national 200 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:38,940 security team are working diligently and effortlessly to 201 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:41,700 bring peace, tranquility and prosperity to the Venezuelan 202 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:45,060 people. Unfortunately, the illegal Maduro regime and its 203 00:11:45,060 --> 00:11:48,780 enablers Russia, Iran, Cuba and Hezbollah stand in the way. We 204 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:51,390 Venezuelan people wholeheartedly welcome and encouraged Trump to 205 00:11:51,390 --> 00:11:54,210 take the next step military intervention whether in the form 206 00:11:54,210 --> 00:11:56,820 of ground troops or precision strikes against the Maduro 207 00:11:56,820 --> 00:12:00,120 regime. The suffering cannot continue. Please do not be 208 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,050 another enabler of the Maduro communist regime. We witnessed 209 00:12:04,050 --> 00:12:07,590 enough of that with Code Pink and Ilan Omar, your criticism of 210 00:12:07,590 --> 00:12:14,550 John Bolton and Elliott Abrams is untoward. Unto Ward Wow, who 211 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:19,410 says that anymore? Done toward the 50s they have rushed? Yes, 212 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,290 there you go. They have ushered in prospering democracies in 213 00:12:22,290 --> 00:12:25,830 Latin America that have replaced totalitarian dictatorships. 214 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:31,560 Okay, what name one best wishes Rodolfo, so you see the 215 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,950 commonalities. And then the third one. Dear Mr. Curry with 216 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:39,270 utmost interest, I listened to your show episode 1134 titled 217 00:12:39,270 --> 00:12:42,570 opinion people in which you discuss the crisis in Venezuela. 218 00:12:43,410 --> 00:12:47,220 Your views are not acceptable to the grayling people. We are 219 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:50,100 suffering under the vicious dictator Nicolas Maduro, who has 220 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:53,910 used our country to provide safe haven to Russians, Cubans, 221 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:57,390 Iranians and Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah. They will use 222 00:12:57,390 --> 00:12:59,730 Venezuelan territory to instigate and launch attacks 223 00:12:59,730 --> 00:13:02,190 against the United States and its people. This is a threat to 224 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:05,850 you and your family safety in highest level of an illegitimate 225 00:13:05,850 --> 00:13:08,820 Venezuelan Government right hand man to Maduro is Lebanese 226 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:13,590 Hezbollah operative Tarek al Osama as I saw me, The New York 227 00:13:13,590 --> 00:13:16,590 Times expose his illegal activities and a bombshell 228 00:13:16,590 --> 00:13:21,390 report a few days ago link. He has used Venezuelan national 229 00:13:21,390 --> 00:13:24,330 resources to prop up Syria and mass murdering dictator who 230 00:13:24,330 --> 00:13:27,960 gassed his own people Bashar Al Assad till now he sends to Syria 231 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,550 Vinhas oil to prop up Russian puppet Assad. He's formerly ally 232 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:36,540 of that goes on and on and on. I hope you reconsider and change 233 00:13:36,540 --> 00:13:39,630 your tune for your show on Sunday, you must support 234 00:13:39,630 --> 00:13:42,390 liberation of Venezuela from crutches of these entities 235 00:13:42,390 --> 00:13:45,090 Bolton Abrams have the best interest of the Venezuelan 236 00:13:45,090 --> 00:13:49,740 people. I suggest you listen to Dr. Steve magenic, who supports 237 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:52,650 the liberation of Venezuelan people through coup or military 238 00:13:52,650 --> 00:13:55,800 action. We understand if Trump must use military and precision 239 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,620 strikes against Venezuelan Government to liberate us. You 240 00:13:58,620 --> 00:14:00,930 have previously stated Dr. Steve is knowledgeable on these 241 00:14:00,930 --> 00:14:04,950 matters. Listen to him and repeat on your show. From Mr. 242 00:14:04,950 --> 00:14:09,090 Alec on your show, Mr. Alejandro VAs squares who was an engineer 243 00:14:09,090 --> 00:14:15,330 and techno consult apparently. So this is coordinated obviously 244 00:14:15,450 --> 00:14:21,420 the biggest commonality of of interest is botanic and the 245 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:30,240 botanic link so maybe I guess Chantix running an app could be 246 00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:35,310 and these are his people or maybe form I don't know who it 247 00:14:35,310 --> 00:14:35,430 is 248 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:43,650 John C. Dvorak: maybe it's botanic but he put one in if 249 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:47,940 he's really good. He would put one of the mess one of the males 250 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:53,610 would say your viewers and yeah, and make it seem like this. 251 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:57,780 Could be well I 252 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:02,100 Adam Curry: was kind of happy when I got After like a week, we 253 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:07,710 matter. We matter in some small insignificant way. Someone cares 254 00:15:07,710 --> 00:15:08,520 about what we say, 255 00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:10,680 John C. Dvorak: well, what it says to me is that I wasted my 256 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,880 time with my email back to this guy because it went felt it. No, 257 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,260 he fell on deaf ears but didn't even go to anybody. This was not 258 00:15:19,290 --> 00:15:21,780 there's not nothing to respond to on this, you can't even get 259 00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:25,950 to a back and forth. Because these are just a barrage. 260 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:28,770 Adam Curry: Barrage, only three is not a barrage. 261 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:32,790 John C. Dvorak: But they could be if it would if it was more 262 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:37,770 of. I'm sure somebody, some people get barrages. And we 263 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:40,680 could get a barrage at some point. But but it would be too 264 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,400 obvious. The problem with us is that says all we really do is 265 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,270 deconstruct stuff. We don't take sides necessarily. I mean, we 266 00:15:48,270 --> 00:15:52,260 takes some way of a sign here and there. But since we don't 267 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:54,900 take says we mostly in the deconstruction, they can't send 268 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,720 us a barrage because it would be too obvious. There was obviously 269 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,550 the only three, what are they going to do now? Because we 270 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:05,520 actually read the emails, we actually analyze the emails and 271 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,500 we find three sketchy emails that come in pretty much 272 00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:14,940 formulaic, and we identify him immediately and then report on 273 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:17,970 him what it would do, you can't be sending us stuff like this, 274 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,790 Adam Curry: it appears to me that this sushi, this is a 275 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:26,580 continuation of their 50 1950 strategies. The way they're 276 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:29,970 doing this, I mean, it's not just douchey it's short sighted 277 00:16:29,970 --> 00:16:33,180 and just dumb. I mean, how are we not going to figure this out? 278 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,910 So they take a bunch of someone's taking a bunch of 279 00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:38,610 techno experts, and I personally, I'm thinking our own 280 00:16:38,610 --> 00:16:42,090 State Department would do this. I'm sure that's what they have. 281 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:45,120 They have lists of important podcasts, I'm sure Rogan is 282 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,320 getting getting emails and you know, whoever else, if you 283 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,220 manage if you mentioned Venezuela in the wrong way, then 284 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:57,660 you get an email from the State Department. There even even what 285 00:16:57,660 --> 00:17:00,510 they're doing, I'm in mainstream. So this is from the 286 00:17:00,510 --> 00:17:05,070 BBC, they're still using? Well, in this case, I'll say the memes 287 00:17:05,070 --> 00:17:09,030 from the 80s to get everybody all riled up. This is a spokes 288 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:13,470 hole for guaido. A Vanessa Neumann and she's talking to the 289 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:17,280 BBC One let's talk to one way those representative here in the 290 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,010 UK, she's Dr. Vanessa Neumann, welcome 291 00:17:20,310 --> 00:17:23,700 Unknown: to the program that yesterday was a disaster for 292 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:24,420 you, wasn't it? 293 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:28,440 No, absolutely not. In fact, we are keenly aware that this is 294 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,130 the beginning of a longer term operation. We know that this is 295 00:17:32,130 --> 00:17:36,030 a protest, you do not overthrow a 20 year dictatorship, really, 296 00:17:36,030 --> 00:17:39,510 in one day, especially with a military that is basically the 297 00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:42,450 world's biggest drug cartel. And part of the reason why they are 298 00:17:42,450 --> 00:17:46,620 not flipping is because they make $8.8 billion a year of 299 00:17:46,620 --> 00:17:50,040 their illicit trade, which includes narcotics, weapons, 300 00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:54,210 gasoline and the food that they provide to the little bit of 301 00:17:54,210 --> 00:17:57,300 food that they provide to the starving people. This is 302 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:00,810 unstoppable. What we do have is that everybody from the middle 303 00:18:00,810 --> 00:18:04,920 ranks on down. They are families in the in the military, their 304 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,910 families are also starving, they their children are also dying of 305 00:18:08,910 --> 00:18:11,970 a lack of medicine, there is still oppression in the 306 00:18:11,970 --> 00:18:14,820 barracks, do not forget that they operate in the state of 307 00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:18,480 terror. So we have over 100 military commanders who have 308 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,870 previously attempted uprisings before the even the appearance 309 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:24,240 of why though, in order to come in, in line with the 310 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,260 Constitution, they are being tortured. So we are aware that 311 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:31,200 this is a protest we are fighting for, not just for our 312 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,580 freedom, but for our very lives. Our compatriots. So we know that 313 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:38,580 this is going now the military, can I just come in? They did not 314 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:42,390 fire on us. Yeah. Can we we have sense weakness? And we know we 315 00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:43,350 can take it all the way. 316 00:18:43,649 --> 00:18:45,719 Adam Curry: She's just not giving up. It's yeah, they're 317 00:18:45,719 --> 00:18:48,809 starving us. And it's horrible. And then you always got to bring 318 00:18:48,809 --> 00:18:50,309 this one in. Were you expecting their 319 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:53,280 Unknown: senior figures to come over to your side yesterday, 320 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,920 though, and and if so, you must be disappointed that they 321 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,870 suddenly back down? Well, I 322 00:18:57,870 --> 00:19:02,100 think that, you know, this, this is a negotiation. I mean, I 323 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,400 think it's I think it's a disappointment that all military 324 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,460 will not, will not defend the Constitution. We are still 325 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:12,000 engaging them. President Juan guaido Is the constitutional 326 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,660 leader. What we have is Maduro is a leading a drug cartel, 327 00:19:15,660 --> 00:19:18,060 which is the number one provider of narcotics to the United 328 00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:23,490 Kingdom. That that won't step aside and let the Constitution 329 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:27,570 happen. So if we can the Constitution happened and we 330 00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:30,270 think that eventually they will, we know that they Well, because 331 00:19:30,270 --> 00:19:32,430 they're are actually still having those conversations. 332 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:34,620 They're still applying to take Maduro out. 333 00:19:34,890 --> 00:19:37,260 Adam Curry: This woman lives in Britain, it's almost like the 334 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:41,760 Syrian observe observation group or whatever, which is one guy 335 00:19:43,380 --> 00:19:45,960 John C. Dvorak: pretending to be tweeting from the frontlines. 336 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,380 Yeah. 337 00:19:47,070 --> 00:19:50,340 Adam Curry: So it's, it's incredibly embarrassing, 338 00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:53,490 John C. Dvorak: and he's just getting more kinky, but a 339 00:19:53,490 --> 00:19:54,060 second, 340 00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:56,910 Adam Curry: and did they have any way out? 341 00:19:58,260 --> 00:19:59,700 I guess I guess you were joking about 342 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:01,320 John C. Dvorak: that. A guy's trying to overturn the 343 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,050 government and take over the place in the drug business for 344 00:20:04,050 --> 00:20:04,680 themselves. 345 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,780 Adam Curry: While you say oil, I say there. I'm 346 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:09,060 John C. Dvorak: sorry, I don't expect to get any more notes. 347 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:17,340 Yeah, I don't know. They just like I said, I recall it what it 348 00:20:17,340 --> 00:20:21,840 is was a Bosch. And its remains a botch, and now they're just 349 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,690 making it worse. They have to regroup. 350 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,620 Adam Curry: So how do I approach botanic about this? I got a 351 00:20:28,620 --> 00:20:31,740 call. And I said, Dude, did you like send a whole bunch of 352 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:33,060 technical experts to me? 353 00:20:34,620 --> 00:20:36,660 John C. Dvorak: Or, hey, well, definitely stop 354 00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:39,780 Adam Curry: emailing me, Steve, about that, hey, stop emailing 355 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:40,050 me. 356 00:20:40,620 --> 00:20:43,410 John C. Dvorak: But I would believe the following. He 357 00:20:43,410 --> 00:20:47,610 doesn't even know. He probably has some hint at this. I don't 358 00:20:47,610 --> 00:20:50,910 think he's behind it. Because he's got other things to do. 359 00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:54,210 He's not interested, I'm sure I don't think he's ever listened. 360 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:58,350 And he doesn't listen to the show. And you should tell him 361 00:20:58,350 --> 00:21:01,680 what's going on and that they're using him as leverage to that's, 362 00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:05,250 that's the approach right? You're probably doing this with 363 00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:09,960 everybody and, and it's apparently obvious to you 364 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,440 because you saw these messages, then he should do something 365 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:13,860 about it. 366 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:17,910 Adam Curry: All right. I will report back on Thursday. If 367 00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:19,440 Thursday ever comes. 368 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,550 John C. Dvorak: It's gonna be a long week you think? 369 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:26,700 Adam Curry: Well, I don't know. It's like, you know, you start 370 00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:28,320 messing with the techno experts. 371 00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:31,170 John C. Dvorak: Techno experts or techno weenie? 372 00:21:31,410 --> 00:21:34,170 Adam Curry: Do we have like a clip or something about the 373 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,630 techno experts? I'm sure we have something. State techno experts. 374 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:40,110 What's this? 375 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:46,650 Unknown: Oh, this question comes from our foresee feed at USA 376 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:49,530 door foresee. It's a two part question. Let 377 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:51,630 Adam Curry: me get to newlon technical experts 378 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,970 Unknown: on the support dating back. I think it's almost two 379 00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:59,790 years now. There was support thing when Ambassador Ford was 380 00:21:59,790 --> 00:22:02,610 still there, and he would go out to meet with the local 381 00:22:02,610 --> 00:22:03,780 coordinating committees. 382 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:07,320 Adam Curry: And that's too long. What is this Hillary on meddling 383 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:07,680 with the 384 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,960 John C. Dvorak: way we stopped? Stop? There was something you 385 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,990 know, I talked about meal use and identifiable meal use by 386 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:13,620 voices. 387 00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:14,820 Adam Curry: Yeah. That was Matt Lee. 388 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,190 John C. Dvorak: No, not him. The woman who did the opening 389 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:26,820 wordage. In that clip? Yes. He has the exact same voice and 390 00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:33,360 probably from the same area of if you have the clip of the NPR 391 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:38,760 woman, the voice of the person asking the NPR woman about 392 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,960 funding. 393 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,590 Adam Curry: That's the hardest clipped to find that Oh, was 394 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:46,710 messed it up? So I'll take your word for it. 395 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,990 John C. Dvorak: But it's this exact same voice? 396 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:52,200 Adam Curry: Of course, how about this one, 397 00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:56,130 Unknown: we're doing a lot of work to try to come up with 398 00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:59,760 technologies that can circumvent the jamming and the 399 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:06,060 interruption. The tracking that the regime are engaged in right 400 00:23:06,060 --> 00:23:11,880 now. You know, is more effective than others to use technology to 401 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,090 circumvent internet it is freedom of speech and being 402 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,840 entitled to but we have also seen the regime. 403 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:21,720 Adam Curry: It's about Iran anyway. I can't find I should 404 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,820 have. I should have looked for that earlier. Yes, techno 405 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:26,790 experts. I'll talk to him. We'll see what happens. See if 406 00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:31,170 anything pops up. Yeah. And otherwise, 407 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:33,510 John C. Dvorak: I got nothing. Like he's being used as he's 408 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:35,520 being used as a tool. 409 00:23:35,550 --> 00:23:39,030 Adam Curry: But to say that Elliott Abrams and Bolton are 410 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:41,550 good, guys. I don't care what pressure you're under. 411 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,110 John C. Dvorak: I agree with this. It's 412 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:47,070 Adam Curry: just not there's no no, they're just not. No, not in 413 00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:49,710 John C. Dvorak: particular. Oh, Abrams. Xaviers was a music 414 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:53,460 cool. Yeah. He's terrible to terrible guys. Yep. 415 00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:57,540 Adam Curry: But I hope that everyone in Venezuela gets what 416 00:23:57,540 --> 00:24:01,800 they want. I do. I just want I just want people to no longer no 417 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,680 longer be sleeping under i 35. Yeah. 418 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:07,680 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it doesn't do you any good. And the I 35 419 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,130 problem. 420 00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:12,000 Adam Curry: Are you step out of your car in the morning? You got 421 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,290 a needle right next to you, 422 00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:16,680 John C. Dvorak: you know, or you're stepping in poop? Is that 423 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,000 human poop? Well, something couple of interesting things 424 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,720 going on. And I did get a reply. He hated to do it. But I did 425 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,130 follow the Miss USA. 426 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,890 Adam Curry: Oh, I missed it. When was this? 427 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:35,610 John C. Dvorak: It was Friday night or maybe it should have 428 00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:36,690 been Saturday or Friday night. 429 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,760 Adam Curry: All right. Great. So you watched you saw something 430 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:44,010 you got the highlights sounds like 431 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,100 John C. Dvorak: watch because these shows are too long and 432 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:48,270 they're boring and they're dumb, 433 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:50,190 Adam Curry: but they're always political. And the questions are 434 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:51,750 funny, and that's why we follow it. 435 00:24:52,050 --> 00:24:55,200 John C. Dvorak: That's pretty much all I do. And the thing 436 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,980 was, there was a there was a there was a overlaying overlay. 437 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,680 to explain it, but there were there was an IT overlay to the 438 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:09,030 to the event and the overlay consists of something going on 439 00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:11,790 in the Bay Area. And I believe it's going on all across the 440 00:25:11,790 --> 00:25:14,760 country. And it's called natural hair. 441 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:18,840 Unknown: That is this is a movement. Yes, big time. 442 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:23,220 John C. Dvorak: Let's listen to Nat. SB 188, one of ours, 443 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:27,000 California State Senators introducing bill, Senate Bill 444 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,040 188. To address this problem. 445 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,860 Unknown: Senate Bill 188 By Senator Mitchell and aqualane to 446 00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:33,990 discrimination. Senator Mitchell. 447 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:37,440 Thank you very much, Madam President. Colleagues. Today I'm 448 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,630 presenting SB 188. The Crown act to the goal the act to create a 449 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:46,890 respectful and open workplace for natural hair. Colleagues. 450 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,350 The purpose of introducing this bill and bringing it before you 451 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:54,930 today is really twofold. First, to help dispel myths and educate 452 00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:58,320 those of you who need it about the unique qualities of black 453 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,550 hair, its texture and the black hair experience. Secondly is to 454 00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:06,450 challenge CommonHealth myths about what constitutes 455 00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:10,590 professionalism in the workplace. Until very recently, 456 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,900 a Google image search for quote, unprofessional hairstyles 457 00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:21,210 yielded only pictures of black women with their natural hair or 458 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:25,920 rate or wearing braids or twists. Although disheartening, 459 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:29,940 this fact was not very surprising. Eurocentric 460 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:33,150 standards of beauty have established the very 461 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:36,780 underpinnings of what was acceptable and attractive in the 462 00:26:36,780 --> 00:26:42,630 media, and academic settings and in the workplace. And so even 463 00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:45,720 though African Americans were no longer explicitly excluded from 464 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,470 the workplace, black features and mannerisms remained 465 00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:54,120 unacceptable and quote, unprofessional. Until recent 466 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,720 decades, black men and women didn't often challenge these 467 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,070 standards. They donned wigs or straightened their hair with 468 00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:06,360 harsh chemical relaxers to meet those Eurocentric standards. 469 00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:10,140 Some people believe that this is an issue of the past that were 470 00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:13,320 beyond such outright discrimination based on 471 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,070 appearance. 472 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:17,760 Adam Curry: Yeah, I think I saw this or an article not but I 473 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,700 didn't know it was a that they don't have to pass but I didn't 474 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,110 know there was a law they were looking 475 00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:27,270 John C. Dvorak: into this this past 37 zip. And so the well all 476 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:29,700 across the country. Their stories like this. This is the 477 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:31,500 gnat hair girl in Lake County. 478 00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:34,710 Unknown: To change her locks, 479 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,210 they had a problem with 480 00:27:36,210 --> 00:27:38,760 her natural hair. Fox 35 down 481 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,850 your llama is live on this one. She's in Lake County with her 482 00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:45,630 story. Danielle, what's the problem here? Well, guys, we 483 00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:49,560 started looking into this story when a mom called us upset her 484 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,820 straight A student was being singled out because of her hair. 485 00:27:54,150 --> 00:27:57,360 We started making phone calls to the school mom had a meeting and 486 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,560 tonight there's a new dress code policy here at mon verd Academy. 487 00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:04,170 People say they love my hair because it's so diverse and 488 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,150 curly and Afro centric. 489 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:10,920 16 year old Nicole or says she's known for her hair, but she 490 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,130 never thought she would be singled out in school because of 491 00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:14,400 it. 492 00:28:14,459 --> 00:28:17,729 I received a call saying that my daughter needed to get her hair 493 00:28:17,969 --> 00:28:22,529 done. And she wears her hair natural. And I was kind of taken 494 00:28:22,529 --> 00:28:23,399 aback by it. 495 00:28:23,699 --> 00:28:27,569 Her parents say your school administrator contacted them and 496 00:28:27,569 --> 00:28:31,679 said this violated their dress code. She literally felt that 497 00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,419 wow, what's wrong with my hair? 498 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,720 The Caucasian girls are able to wear their natural hair 499 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,350 straight. 500 00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:40,650 Why can I wear my natural hair, the way that it grows, 501 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,650 they were referred to the handbook where one line in 502 00:28:43,650 --> 00:28:45,210 particular stood out 503 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:50,910 tread like hair. And so that could be ambiguous and it could 504 00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:55,170 give you latitude to target a certain person or a certain 505 00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:55,500 group. 506 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400 Adam Curry: Oh, brother is this all in California? 507 00:29:00,150 --> 00:29:02,280 John C. Dvorak: I believe this to be going on everywhere. And I 508 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,820 think it's part of a bigger movement. And it was confirmed 509 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:13,620 as important because Miss USA coincidentally has natural hair. 510 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:19,500 Okay. She's got that boobs just it's such a hair, her hair. It's 511 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,580 it's done. It's not as though it's just sticking out 512 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:27,150 everywhere. So it's quite attractive on her and she's a 513 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:30,990 beautiful woman. She was one of the prettiest girls and and made 514 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:34,710 it clear to us over and over referring to the fact that she's 515 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:35,520 a lawyer. 516 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:40,350 Adam Curry: This is a Chelsea Chris from North Carolina. Yes. 517 00:29:40,380 --> 00:29:43,590 Yeah. It looks like giant Diana Ross had this hair for a while 518 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:45,360 in the late 70s 80s. 519 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,510 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, and so it's a natural it's not a fro 520 00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:52,920 No. It's just the hair just hanging all over the place and 521 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,470 attractively in this woman's case, but it's been cut and 522 00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:58,800 trimmed and make the made to look the best it could. But it's 523 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:02,580 but it's part of a bigger scheme because all these things are 524 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:05,790 incremental. You don't just make a big fuss about some of this 525 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:08,160 obviously something you don't need to make a fuss about, but 526 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,800 they do it anyway. And so there's a bitching and moaning 527 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,230 about this natural hair and they have the students and I'm sure 528 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,710 there's other people can find stories around the country that 529 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:21,720 have this situation occurring. But this is a movement I noticed 530 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,930 this some years ago, and they started to big and they pulled 531 00:30:24,930 --> 00:30:27,960 back and disappeared and they're deciding to go with it. Well, 532 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,860 where 533 00:30:28,860 --> 00:30:31,230 Adam Curry: were these social justice warriors? When I got 534 00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:34,320 fired once from my hair from MTV, they hired me back but they 535 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,730 fired me because I wouldn't cut it. 536 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:39,450 John C. Dvorak: You wouldn't cut it or you wouldn't cut the hair 537 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:46,230 I would not cut Come on. Yeah, so anyway, wouldn't cut the 538 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:50,700 hair. Justice words weren't out there. Now, the thing that I 539 00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:54,000 picked up on this a long time ago to what this is really about 540 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360 is to is to is to inc just start to increment because their 541 00:30:57,510 --> 00:31:02,550 initial, the initial attempt to to in California was about it 542 00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:07,050 was during our show era, but it was early on and it was an 543 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:11,220 attempt to end all discrimination against 544 00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:16,230 appearance. And this was for people who would go into a job 545 00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:20,610 interview with spikes in their face and face tats. 546 00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:23,850 Adam Curry: Hidden Camera, hidden camera stuff 547 00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:27,270 John C. Dvorak: ear get gauged ears and they had a big hole in 548 00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:30,870 their head. I mean, the whole they were horrible looking 549 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:35,910 people and so they were going for the anti discrimination laws 550 00:31:35,910 --> 00:31:39,150 and nobody was buying it because employers weren't going to hire 551 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:41,970 these people especially if they were front facing now there was 552 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:45,600 going to be an account or a person or and I go into a donut 553 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,550 shop and I see some guy with gauged ears and bone in his nose 554 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:52,980 Adam Curry: does it make you not want the donut does not make you 555 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,270 want to don't want the donut, 556 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:55,680 John C. Dvorak: I will not buy the donut. 557 00:31:59,190 --> 00:32:02,070 Adam Curry: You're incredibly bigoted Mr. Dvorak, you won't 558 00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:06,000 buy the donut because someone's got a blown out ear lobe, 559 00:32:06,150 --> 00:32:08,130 John C. Dvorak: like guys creeping me out. I'm not buying 560 00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:14,610 the donut. So. So they backed off on this, this idea, because 561 00:32:14,610 --> 00:32:18,360 they went too far right away. And I believe that this natural 562 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,660 hair thing is an increment. And they're going to start to move 563 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:26,220 forward again, with it in mind that long term, you have to hire 564 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:30,900 somebody who's got, you know, holes in their ears and, and 565 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:35,070 bones in their nose. And we're already like maybe some of the 566 00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:38,310 one guy in Oakland's got a couple of horns that he had 567 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:43,170 implanted into his brain into his skull. I've seen this guy, 568 00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:45,930 and he's and he's painted his face red. So it looks like the 569 00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:49,830 devil, you have to hire him. That's what this is about. 570 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,110 Adam Curry: Well, yeah, of course, if he's talented, you 571 00:32:52,110 --> 00:32:56,460 got to hire him. I mean, if it's a front, I can see the issue if 572 00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:59,490 it's a customer facing job, but I guess they're going after 573 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:00,540 exactly that, huh? 574 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,510 John C. Dvorak: That's what they're going for. Yeah, you 575 00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:05,130 can, it's just gonna take okay, but 576 00:33:05,130 --> 00:33:08,550 Adam Curry: can I just say it's not the same as your hair comes 577 00:33:08,550 --> 00:33:11,730 out of your head as it comes out of your head. The horns don't 578 00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:14,610 naturally come out of the head. So that's it's not exactly a 579 00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:15,210 natural. 580 00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:18,300 John C. Dvorak: This is what is this is what this is. This is 581 00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:22,800 untoward, I tell you. It this reminds me of its marketing 582 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,350 tricks. I mean, in a lot of marketing strategies that you 583 00:33:28,350 --> 00:33:31,890 start with the hardest thing to do. And that's what they did 584 00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:34,950 when they tried to make it so you can't discriminate against 585 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:38,370 people because of their appearance, right? And so that 586 00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:41,130 failed. Because if that went through, then what's the point 587 00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:44,520 of doing anything else who cares is all done. But that wasn't 588 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,150 going to happen? Because it just doesn't make any sense. And so 589 00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:50,220 now they're backing off and they're going to increment 590 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:53,280 things and see how far they get. And so they 591 00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:54,420 Adam Curry: who was they? 592 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,820 John C. Dvorak: They it's vague, man. It's 593 00:33:56,820 --> 00:34:00,630 Adam Curry: the vase. Okay, it's the days. It's the politically 594 00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:01,800 correct elites, 595 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:06,300 John C. Dvorak: the elites, but it's a certain group of them. I 596 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,330 don't know what their point is. But let's go back to Miss USA. 597 00:34:09,330 --> 00:34:14,220 And here we have. We have a natural hair winter that this 598 00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:17,220 woman from North Carolina who just goes on every chance she 599 00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:20,970 gets, she says she's a lawyer, or a law firm, she said was one 600 00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:24,180 of her quotes. Okay. Now I looked at the women as they came 601 00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:28,500 out and pick my 123456 or seven of the ones I thought they were 602 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:33,180 the prettiest, and they all got into the top 15 Except for 603 00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:37,920 Alaska who may have been she's kind of he has exaggerated 604 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,710 features. I may have been. She's more moist looks like she looked 605 00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:49,650 like an exaggerated Elizabeth Berkley. If anybody remembers 606 00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:54,540 that actress and Miss Kentucky who should have been called up 607 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:58,620 and she was dumped, and then when they brought the top 15 out 608 00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:01,770 I thought the best one should have been the winner or the best 609 00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:06,240 one was the Blondie from Florida who I thought was very pretty. 610 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:11,490 But she got kicked at the end where they had no whites. It was 611 00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:17,910 there was an all black finals. I know when when Latina, made a 612 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:23,520 big point of it, and then she also lawyer, one Latino, one 613 00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:29,130 woman who was black and Chippewa or something. She's a very 614 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,940 strange looking combination of people, and then Miss Miss North 615 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:36,510 Carolina, who was a beautiful woman and could have won any 616 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:39,930 competition. But they were obviously not going to let her 617 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:43,620 compete with everybody. But because she had a natural hair, 618 00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:46,920 there was two women, two black women that had natural hair. And 619 00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:51,600 this one was the one that was going to be picked. Needless to 620 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,370 say, I felt the thing was semi rigged. But gee, 621 00:35:57,630 --> 00:35:58,680 Adam Curry: imagine that. 622 00:36:00,270 --> 00:36:02,190 John C. Dvorak: So we had the one Mexican and the two blacks 623 00:36:02,190 --> 00:36:04,680 at the end, as the three finalists, they had five 624 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,060 finalists in the eliminated. They eliminated two of them. I 625 00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:10,920 don't know why they do it this way. But they did. 626 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:14,910 Adam Curry: Procedure, parliamentary inquiry procedure 627 00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:19,050 question. Was this the year where they had no bathing suits? 628 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,420 John C. Dvorak: No, they had made these this Miss USA not 629 00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:22,620 Miss America? Oh, I'm sorry. 630 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,260 Adam Curry: Okay. My mistake. All right, good. Well, let's, 631 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:28,590 John C. Dvorak: let's do some commentary on the who had the 632 00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:32,970 best figure. Oh, yeah, miss, I thought Miss Florida handled 633 00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:39,300 herself the best in the bathing suit to Miss Ohio guardian, who 634 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,690 for a while, and it was 15. And she looked like Savannah 635 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:46,020 Guthrie. And, and then in one view, she looked a little like 636 00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:46,650 Mickey, 637 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,040 Adam Curry: I should remind I should remind everybody that we 638 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:56,910 do this from a television production standpoint, and not a 639 00:36:57,180 --> 00:37:00,720 old douchebag white guy who's sitting in his crock standpoint. 640 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:01,560 Yeah, we do it 641 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,540 John C. Dvorak: from a very objective perspective. 642 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,060 Adam Curry: And particularly because it's political. 643 00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,110 John C. Dvorak: Well, that's the thing that this was the worst 644 00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:13,500 case scenario, because in this case they've been over the years 645 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,690 we've noticed they've been slipping in more and more and 646 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:19,290 more political questions, hoping that people spew some sort of 647 00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:25,380 left wing message. That's my belief. And this year was all I 648 00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:27,840 have all five questions are there short, I cut them way 649 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,600 down. So you only have to quit. You don't have to intro and miss 650 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,590 the you Arkansas. Come on. Hello, the I killed all that. 651 00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:40,350 And we have the five questions and answers that you got. So 652 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:45,990 these are short. And then I have the Miss North Carolina's answer 653 00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:49,320 to the last question where they ask the same exact question this 654 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,240 pretty this, by the way, amuse me to no end. So they got to got 655 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,420 the question at the end with the three girls. And they're going 656 00:37:57,420 --> 00:38:00,960 to ask the same question. So they put a headphones on them. 657 00:38:01,410 --> 00:38:03,330 And as soon as they said, they're going to do that. I 658 00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:07,590 said, Holy crap. How are they going to do this with Miss North 659 00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:08,220 Carolina 660 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:09,480 Adam Curry: with her natural hair? 661 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:14,250 John C. Dvorak: Her hair, it was theirs. You couldn't I don't 662 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:18,540 know if you'd be about a foot between their headphone, and her 663 00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:20,700 head. Because that is a hair. 664 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:23,040 Adam Curry: So it was basically a racist thing for them to even 665 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,850 suggest. 666 00:38:24,540 --> 00:38:27,660 John C. Dvorak: Well, I think there wasn't in fact, but the 667 00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,930 solution was simple. Bring her out first. You never put 668 00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:35,550 Adam Curry: that's the way to go. Perfect. Perfect. Great. 669 00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,290 Great, innovative. 670 00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:40,410 John C. Dvorak: Alright, so let's listen to some questions 671 00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:46,740 here. Starting with Miss USA, Arkansas. Okay, at your 672 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:50,820 Unknown: question is, America is one of the most racially diverse 673 00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:54,450 countries in the world, yet it is also one of the most racially 674 00:38:54,450 --> 00:38:56,700 divided. Why do you think this is? 675 00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:01,230 Well, I think diversity is one of the most unique things about 676 00:39:01,230 --> 00:39:04,260 our country, and it's one of the most special and we should 677 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,560 cultivate that we shouldn't be divided. We shouldn't look at 678 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,860 our fellow contestants our fellow man and say you aren't 679 00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:15,360 like me. So I don't like you. You don't look like me. So I am 680 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,100 racist against you. We should come together and involve 681 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,400 everyone in our lives. I think these 51 contestants that have 682 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,120 stood up here tonight represent our country so well because they 683 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,430 are so diverse. And I think that that is exactly what we need in 684 00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:34,680 our world. We need to celebrate our diversity. 685 00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:40,620 John C. Dvorak: Say racist against you. You don't look like 686 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:42,420 me so I'm racist against 687 00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:49,560 Adam Curry: I'm gonna Hey, don't be racist on that mountain that 688 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,340 mofo 689 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:54,930 John C. Dvorak: looked at me so I'm a racist against you. So she 690 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:59,370 was the one white girl in the fight and she was the question 691 00:39:59,370 --> 00:40:02,970 even though out, she's done, done. She was done. And it was 692 00:40:02,970 --> 00:40:06,690 like that was her and she was going on and on about diversity. 693 00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:10,080 But this was you notice this message was also in the report 694 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,730 about the natural hair, which we played earlier where hair is 695 00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:17,910 diversity according to the girl wearing crazy or of course it 696 00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:23,190 is. Hair is diversity now, okay, well, whatever. So let's go to 697 00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:25,050 Miss USA Nevada's question. 698 00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:30,270 Unknown: So your question is, in October, my friends, Kelsey 699 00:40:30,270 --> 00:40:34,980 Quayle was fatally shot well and instantly driving to work. And 700 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:38,310 your opinion, what is the largest contributing factor to 701 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,950 the high rate of gun violence in our nation? 702 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:43,620 Adam Curry: Oh, God, can I can I take this one? Can I can answer 703 00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:44,100 this one. 704 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,220 John C. Dvorak: You won't quite get it right. Because did the 705 00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:48,780 girl pull the switcheroo on? 706 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,390 Adam Curry: Because I'm expecting her to say the problem 707 00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:53,940 is guns, because guns kill people. 708 00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:59,100 Unknown: I think that what contributes to the high rate of 709 00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:03,330 gun violence is the availability to all of the weapons, I think 710 00:41:03,330 --> 00:41:07,500 there has to be another look into the gun reform. And we have 711 00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:11,400 to consider mental health in this situation as well, because 712 00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:17,820 this is not just about guns. This is about what is going on 713 00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:19,530 in the in the minds of these 714 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:25,740 John C. Dvorak: realized, so she starts off with the right answer 715 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:29,760 by gun reform even though or the gun gun something that gun 716 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,090 reforms. She Sue. She says mental health for some reason, I 717 00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:36,750 think this applause I went on too late. And it sounded as 718 00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:39,270 though they're applauding her mention of mental health. I 719 00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:42,720 Adam Curry: think they are applauding her in the mental 720 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,140 health case 721 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:45,180 John C. Dvorak: was you know, she was on one track and she 722 00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:50,310 changed tracks. Well, she's oh my god, this is I'm on the right 723 00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:54,960 track as you so so. So dropping the gun availability issue. She 724 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480 went on and on about mental health. And I thought that was 725 00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:58,140 hilarious. But 726 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:00,780 Adam Curry: I also think that's the right answer for this crowd. 727 00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:04,170 That is what the diverse social justice warriors want to hear. 728 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:09,120 Because you get therefore, the person who uses the gun to kill 729 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:15,360 people is also a victim, you say? Right, another 730 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,840 Unknown: look into the gun reform. And we have to consider 731 00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:25,050 mental health in this situation as well, because this is not or 732 00:42:25,050 --> 00:42:25,440 maybe 733 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,810 Adam Curry: just someone walked by like Jack Nicholson or 734 00:42:27,810 --> 00:42:28,290 something. 735 00:42:29,610 --> 00:42:35,520 Unknown: Mental health situation, because this is not 736 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,660 just about guns. This is about what is going on in the in the 737 00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:48,000 minds of these of these of these people. Who are using these 738 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,900 weapons against? It's definitely a mental health issue. It's not 739 00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:52,230 just 740 00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:55,680 Adam Curry: at any point. Was there steam coming out of our 741 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,840 ears when she was trying to answer the question was like, 742 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,280 well plumes of smoke. 743 00:42:59,850 --> 00:43:02,430 John C. Dvorak: I wouldn't say dingbat. No, 744 00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:03,990 Adam Curry: that'd be very rude. 745 00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:06,330 John C. Dvorak: It was using gibberish. She was a cute and 746 00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:10,200 she was trying to get the answer out. And she I think she just 747 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,890 was confused. 748 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,290 Adam Curry: Okay. Did anyone have a question about Trump? 749 00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:13,740 Come on. 750 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,790 John C. Dvorak: I don't think there was a direct question 751 00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:23,280 about Trump. Let's go to USA Miss New Mexico. The 2020 752 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,010 Unknown: election is right around the corner. What is one 753 00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:29,220 issue you would like all candidates to address and why? 754 00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:34,560 Well, being from a border state and being born and raised in a 755 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,560 border city, immigration is something that is very important 756 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,160 to me. This is not a black and white issue. And that is why we 757 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,460 need to have discussions and continue to listen to each 758 00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:48,150 other. I think that there's so many people out there wanting 759 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:50,700 the American dream. And my parents immigrated here from 760 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:57,300 Monterrey, Mexico. Their representation of their American 761 00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,610 dream. Thank you New 762 00:43:59,610 --> 00:44:03,930 Adam Curry: Mexico. Where was this held? This? This event? 763 00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:05,730 John C. Dvorak: I think was in Vegas or Reno. 764 00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:07,680 Unknown: Okay. All right. David Reno. 765 00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:10,830 Adam Curry: Is it safe safe answer Safe, safe, safe? 766 00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:16,290 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, it was okay. She was pretty and and 767 00:44:16,290 --> 00:44:19,050 then we have not yet there's a guy out to North Carolina here. 768 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,840 You don't want to play the final question. I'm gonna play Miss 769 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,390 USA, North Carolina. And that's This is the winner. And this is 770 00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:27,960 her answer to these these this dumb series of questions which 771 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,810 were asked by, by the losers by the way 772 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,540 Adam Curry: before before we move on now. Do they have judges 773 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:38,280 in the on the panel? And the judges? Yeah, there are judges 774 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,660 who was the who were the judges? 775 00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:41,820 Unknown: I don't know. So your question is 776 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:45,000 Adam Curry: the only one that matters is you John, I'm just 777 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:45,330 asking. 778 00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:48,210 John C. Dvorak: What difference does it make? They're just a 779 00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:52,050 bunch of schlubs and they're given a script. Dara judging 780 00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:52,620 anything. 781 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:56,490 Unknown: So your question is for the past two years, the hashtag 782 00:44:56,490 --> 00:45:00,420 me too and hashtag time's up, have dominated our national 783 00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:04,050 conversation. However, some believe it has only deepened the 784 00:45:04,050 --> 00:45:07,350 divide between men and women. Have these movements gone too 785 00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:07,800 far? 786 00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:12,330 I don't think these movements have gone too far what me too, 787 00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:16,200 and time's up are about our making sure that we foster safe 788 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,250 and inclusive workplaces in our country. As an attorney. That's 789 00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:23,220 exactly what I want to hear. That's exactly what I want for 790 00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:26,100 this country. I think they're good movements. Thank you North 791 00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:26,790 Carolina. 792 00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:32,130 Adam Curry: Yeah, yeah, that that's sad, kind of, but then 793 00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:35,340 maybe it's good for women. When the talent portion of the 794 00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:38,730 competition is your lawyer. That's really what it is. I 795 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:43,530 mean, it used to be I can twirl a baton. Oh, I can dance. I can 796 00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:47,100 play a piano. I can. I am a ventriloquist. But now you just 797 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:49,680 show up your lawyer. I think your your you kind of got a 798 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,300 couple steps ahead. Right there. 799 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:55,470 John C. Dvorak: Oh, she was milking it too. Fantastic. Good 800 00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:58,350 honor. Her law firm she mentioned earlier. 801 00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:01,770 Adam Curry: What kind of law does she practice? And we 802 00:46:01,770 --> 00:46:02,310 learned that 803 00:46:02,430 --> 00:46:04,800 John C. Dvorak: it never we never found out it you I'm sure 804 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,940 our wiki page will determine that. But that answer, you know, 805 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:12,300 it's just a stent. Yes, good. She's an attorney. She's going 806 00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,290 to be quicker on her feet than most of them. And so the last 807 00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:19,050 question comes up, and I didn't record all of them. And it was 808 00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:22,590 not. It was not that interesting. But I did record 809 00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:25,410 the winners North Carolina's answer to the last question, 810 00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:27,960 which everybody got asked, not everybody. But the three 811 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:34,830 finalists got asked, and this is and that was Oklahoma, New 812 00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:38,970 Mexico and North Carolina and also other states, or states 813 00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:43,980 south. And this is the question, this is her answer. And it was, 814 00:46:43,980 --> 00:46:45,000 you know, May? 815 00:46:45,689 --> 00:46:49,469 Unknown: Here's your question. Millennials are often labeled as 816 00:46:49,469 --> 00:46:52,739 entitled. But they've also been called one of the most socially 817 00:46:52,739 --> 00:46:56,339 conscious generations in decades. What is one word you 818 00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:59,579 would use to describe your generation? And why? 819 00:47:01,530 --> 00:47:04,830 I would say that my generation is innovative. I'm standing here 820 00:47:04,830 --> 00:47:09,720 in Nevada, in the state that has the first majority female 821 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:14,430 legislature in this entire country. Maya is the first 822 00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:18,120 generation to have that forward looking mindset that has 823 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,410 inclusivity diversity and strength and empowered women. 824 00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:25,770 I'm looking forward to continued progress with my generation. 825 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,080 Thank you, North Carolina. 826 00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:30,900 Adam Curry: That sounds good. Yeah, 827 00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:32,820 John C. Dvorak: I can see why she does good except for the 828 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:37,680 fact that the majority women legislature in Northern Nevada 829 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,950 is not millennials, but okay, she'll take credit for it like 830 00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:45,900 millennials do. I was thinking, take credit for it. And you 831 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:47,940 know, like you said, I'm the judge here 832 00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:50,670 Adam Curry: last night, I realized that we are now into 833 00:47:50,670 --> 00:47:55,350 our second generation of producers on the show. We're 11 834 00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:59,280 years didn't we just didn't we educate an entire generation? 835 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,350 And now we're taking on their younger, they're younger 836 00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:03,900 siblings, or who else who else is coming now? 837 00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:08,850 John C. Dvorak: Well, we're hoping so that was that 838 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,450 Adam Curry: went away? No. So now is she going to leave her 839 00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:16,620 law practice and go on the tour and speak to children and 840 00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:19,860 particularly young girls around the world? Is that Is that what 841 00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:20,850 she's going to do? Is that 842 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,380 John C. Dvorak: let's see. She's, let's be honest about 843 00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:30,480 she's a beautiful woman with a lot of potential for media. 844 00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:33,300 Adam Curry: She's going to be on TV, she's gonna be on TV so 845 00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:33,780 quick. 846 00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:36,060 John C. Dvorak: Actually, there's a there was at least I 847 00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:40,380 would say at least 10 women throughout the competition that 848 00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:44,790 are just yet anchorwoman written all over me you know, newsreader 849 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:45,900 maybe just 850 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:48,390 Adam Curry: news model we attend to call 851 00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:53,970 John C. Dvorak: spokesmodel and so they have so she so let's 852 00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:58,380 let's go over this analysis analyze your question by asking 853 00:48:58,530 --> 00:49:03,090 so you have this woman that set and she's actually more or less 854 00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:07,410 media more movies. That's what it is. She has that look of a 855 00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:12,210 movie actress and she has a choice of going on the road and 856 00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:16,350 and showing you know herself to just various groups and 857 00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:22,560 practicing being in front of large audiences. Or she could 858 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,570 stay at or law firm and drudge away on a day to day basis going 859 00:49:27,570 --> 00:49:30,690 over paperwork and contracts. Yeah, 860 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,650 Adam Curry: I think I'd love to be on CNN all day. Well, maybe 861 00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:36,480 she could replace Joy Reid. 862 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,140 John C. Dvorak: She's she's got she's got bigger things got 863 00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:43,620 bigger things. Gonna be at that level. She's net worth but you 864 00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:47,580 could tell she's. Hey, she could end up by Fox because she's a 865 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:48,210 lawyer. 866 00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:51,989 Adam Curry: Now then. PBS needs her the news our the Where did 867 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:55,259 Gwen wood we lost Gwen Eiffel. We need a yes. 868 00:49:55,830 --> 00:49:59,190 John C. Dvorak: replace her with this job. Misha woman has your 869 00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:59,970 house yummy. 870 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,630 Adam Curry: LLC under or Kham Kham has come Conquistador. 871 00:50:04,110 --> 00:50:08,520 John C. Dvorak: And she and I can date have, I don't know how 872 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,070 to deal with her. She's very amateurish, and she should be 873 00:50:11,070 --> 00:50:14,910 out. And this woman doesn't look like a news type. She really 874 00:50:14,910 --> 00:50:18,450 looks like she should be in an act as an actress in the in the 875 00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:19,650 Hollywood period. 876 00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:22,620 Adam Curry: Well, speaking of speaking of natural hair, I 877 00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:27,510 watched the knock down the house documentary on Netflix, which is 878 00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:30,330 an award winning Sundance documentary I might point out, 879 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:36,360 which features the four social justice Democrats and how they 880 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,450 were picked and how they were trained. And it's their own. 881 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,750 It's the their own footage. And they're very proud of how they 882 00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:47,340 did it. And it's, I recommend everybody watch it. And you and 883 00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:54,570 the see Amy vilella, Cory Bush, Paula Jean swearing in, they 884 00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:57,570 didn't when you can end it also, they've really cut down their 885 00:50:57,570 --> 00:51:02,790 pieces significantly in this documentary, but AOC Wow, it 886 00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:06,690 proves you really can take someone who's standing by in a 887 00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:09,450 bar, and you can put them in the US Congress, and it was well 888 00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:15,180 done. And it was emotional. I always get emotional by 889 00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:19,200 achievement. So I like that. The thing that really struck me 890 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,030 though, is and this comes back to the natural hair, it starts 891 00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:27,540 off and she's in her. I think it's a hotel room. I don't think 892 00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:30,090 it's her apartment, a hotel room and she's doing her makeup in 893 00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:33,180 the morning. She's talking about how it's so easy for men because 894 00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:36,240 it's throw on you know, they just throw on a suit and tie and 895 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:39,300 they're done with thanks. No, that's not true, but Okay, 896 00:51:39,330 --> 00:51:42,150 that's fair. You believe it. And she's women have to put on their 897 00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:46,680 makeup. So she was completely without makeup. And, John, I 898 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:52,680 gotta tell you, with a long hair and her Latin features I had I 899 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,770 did a double take. She looked just like Christina's ex 900 00:51:55,770 --> 00:52:01,230 boyfriend one. From Los Angeles. It was uncanny. Completely 901 00:52:01,230 --> 00:52:08,220 different. Just like one I like this one. It was the same line 902 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:11,790 one is you know, he's like 30 in LA. He's going nowhere. Gloves 903 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:16,470 wrestling. No wonder Christina dumped him. But he's a great 904 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:18,960 guy. He's a sweet guy and very talented artists, but does 905 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,170 nothing with it. But anyway, he's just passing. This is one. 906 00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:24,300 John C. Dvorak: She looks like a man. Is that what you're telling 907 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:24,480 me? 908 00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:27,630 Adam Curry: Yeah, to me. Yeah. Without her makeup is very, very 909 00:52:27,630 --> 00:52:32,940 different. Anyway, now you really understand that when 910 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:36,300 she's got her notes, and when she's following the program and 911 00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:41,040 her training her script, then she's, it's fine. And the minute 912 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,250 she goes off, she loses the plot. But she's, yeah, you can 913 00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:47,340 see how this works is great. And they had some money. I don't 914 00:52:47,340 --> 00:52:51,090 know who the Justice Democrats. They had money to get this 915 00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:52,980 going. I'm sure they have a lot more. But it's 916 00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:54,960 John C. Dvorak: they have a lot more. Now. They didn't have that 917 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,440 much. Then 918 00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:57,420 Adam Curry: they had a little bit with their headquarters in 919 00:52:57,420 --> 00:53:00,750 Kentucky. But there were 20 people on the payroll getting 920 00:53:00,750 --> 00:53:01,470 stuff done. 921 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,280 John C. Dvorak: And I'm sure a lot of is borderline she very, 922 00:53:05,310 --> 00:53:08,910 Adam Curry: you're very, of course. Very impressive, though. 923 00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:11,310 I was impressed. 924 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:13,680 John C. Dvorak: It was impressive operation. There's no 925 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,650 doubt about deplorable but depressed but 926 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,370 Unknown: I don't know if it's deplorable. deplorable. And 927 00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:25,200 Adam Curry: let's talk about the purge for a moment. I am very 928 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,790 happy to report that NPR whenever it's about anything 929 00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:34,200 from Silicon Valley, even if it's a political conversation 930 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,590 about who's being D platformed. This week, they love to bring in 931 00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:40,620 their millennials. This one's kind of special though. 932 00:53:40,740 --> 00:53:43,560 Unknown: Paris Martineau covers social media and internet 933 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,190 culture for Wired Magazine and joins us from our studios in New 934 00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:50,520 York. So exactly. Who are we talking about? Who was banned? 935 00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:57,360 Yeah. So on Thursday afternoon, Facebook banned six high profile 936 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,390 extremists and one conspiracy theorists site. 937 00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:09,090 Adam Curry: High profile extremists. This is good. Laura 938 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:15,270 Loomer is a high profile extremist. Is she apparently I 939 00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:17,640 mean, she's one of the six that got 940 00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:23,010 John C. Dvorak: an extremist in what what realm a high political 941 00:54:23,010 --> 00:54:25,980 realm is it a military realm, 942 00:54:26,460 --> 00:54:28,920 Adam Curry: high profile extremists. 943 00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:34,560 Unknown: Facebook banned six high profile extremists and one 944 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,760 conspiracy theorist site that includes inflammatory 945 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,470 figureheads in the far right like Laura Loomer. Infowars Alex 946 00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:49,350 Jones and Paul Joseph Watson as well as white supremacist Paul 947 00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:53,010 Nehlen and radical Muslim preacher Louis Farrakhan. 948 00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:55,800 So President Trump and other conservatives have accused 949 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,640 various social media companies for censoring right opinions 950 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,950 John C. Dvorak: That woman she's talking too fast. 951 00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,650 Adam Curry: Throughout the they're both kind of did. The 952 00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:13,620 one from Wired is almost doing was an ASMR recording extremely 953 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:16,260 fast. And then the other ones just blast and Pastor 954 00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:17,940 Unknown: Trump and other conservatives have accused 955 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:21,030 various social media companies for censoring right wing 956 00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:25,020 opinions of Alex Jones Milo Yiannopoulos. Louis Farrakhan. 957 00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:27,690 They've been around for a long time. So why is Facebook doing 958 00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:28,080 this now? 959 00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:30,960 So a Facebook spokesperson told me that the company has always 960 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,080 banned individuals and organizations that promote or 961 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,140 engage in violence and hate regardless of ideology. But the 962 00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:40,440 people and organization ban Thursday were just as extreme 963 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,260 and peddled just as much misinformation and hate a year 964 00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:45,360 ago as they did Thursday. 965 00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:47,640 What's been the fallout from this? 966 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:52,320 The fallout has largely been the people banned. Protesting 967 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,990 they're banned, there was a bit of a snafu in the fact that 968 00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:58,380 Facebook kind of seated number of media outlets on Thursday 969 00:55:58,380 --> 00:56:01,500 afternoon with this story in advance, then 970 00:56:01,650 --> 00:56:04,050 Adam Curry: I gotta stop this for a second. Here's what's 971 00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:10,440 interesting about this. There was no official press release, 972 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,850 no written word from Facebook about this at all. And it went 973 00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:19,740 around really fast because this so called snafu where they see 974 00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:24,900 did some press, I think Atlantic and a couple others have maybe 975 00:56:25,140 --> 00:56:29,700 Whopper Whopper Whopper WaPo. And, and they and they said, 976 00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:31,800 Well, here's what's going down, here's what's gonna happen, but 977 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,970 they hadn't knocked those people off yet. So they were just 978 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,460 letting everybody know ahead of time that they were going to be 979 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:41,160 kicked off. And so and that was under embargo, because of 980 00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,340 course, you know, the willing media is very willing to sit on 981 00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:50,130 that. I will wait under embargo until you kick them off. Still 982 00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:50,850 reporting 983 00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:54,030 Unknown: exactly the way the ACC, I know, I know. 984 00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:59,940 Adam Curry: Now I live with a communications expert. And she 985 00:56:59,940 --> 00:57:04,290 says this is Bogota. That would be the keeper. This is Bogota 986 00:57:04,290 --> 00:57:08,070 live, they that's no snafu. They're trying to be relevant 987 00:57:08,070 --> 00:57:11,310 because I'm quoting now because all Facebook is now is old 988 00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:14,760 people and nonprofits, which I thought was pretty good 989 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,370 analysis. And they're just trying to show that they are 990 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,470 clean as a whistle for whatever may be lurking behind this. I'm 991 00:57:25,470 --> 00:57:30,270 sure there was not some horrible outrage that ensued over Laura 992 00:57:30,270 --> 00:57:33,630 Loomer, or whatever she might have posted or Allume. All 993 00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:35,130 Joseph Watson 994 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,620 John C. Dvorak: and Paul Joseph Watson day I've heard his 995 00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:40,050 material it strikes I plainer, 996 00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:42,660 Adam Curry: I can't even watch him. It's like, it should be 997 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:44,910 thrown off because it's not entertaining. How about that? 998 00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:46,890 I'm with you on that Facebook. Let's listen to the rest of 999 00:57:46,890 --> 00:57:47,010 this. 1000 00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:49,470 Unknown: And there was a bit of a snafu in the fact that 1001 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,860 Facebook kind of seed a number of media outlets, and Thursday 1002 00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:57,180 afternoon with the story in advance, then struggled to 1003 00:57:57,450 --> 00:58:01,950 actually take down the accounts at the time the story out 1004 00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:05,970 drawing these extremist figureheads to publish on their 1005 00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:09,450 fan soon to be banned Instagram accounts, follow me on the other 1006 00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:10,320 platform. Hmm. 1007 00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:13,620 So is this I mean, is this setting a precedent or we're 1008 00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:17,040 gonna see Facebook, continue to ban accounts and who makes those 1009 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,640 decisions? 1010 00:58:18,180 --> 00:58:20,070 Those are all great questions. I think 1011 00:58:20,610 --> 00:58:21,600 John C. Dvorak: you want they're not. 1012 00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:25,800 Unknown: Facebook is like Facebook, oftentimes going to do 1013 00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:29,220 whatever it wants. And we will, it'll be interesting to see how 1014 00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:32,010 it continues to apply this going forward, whether it'll stick 1015 00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:32,340 with it. 1016 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,200 Adam Curry: Okay. All right. Thank you. 1017 00:58:35,070 --> 00:58:36,300 John C. Dvorak: Thank you for your time. 1018 00:58:36,570 --> 00:58:39,390 Adam Curry: Thank you for your courage. Thank you for your fry. 1019 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,070 I have some thoughts about this. You any thoughts about why this 1020 00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:47,310 is taking place? Why they why they've done this seemingly for 1021 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,100 for no real issue? 1022 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,810 John C. Dvorak: Oh, I mean, if I don't have any serious thoughts, 1023 00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:59,130 I have some unserious thoughts like maybe this is a prelude for 1024 00:58:59,130 --> 00:59:04,470 the 2020 elections. They want to keep anybody who's who might, 1025 00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:09,990 you know, interfere with, with the Litany with the West Coast. 1026 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,420 liberal bias. Don't need this kind of aggravation. People 1027 00:59:15,450 --> 00:59:17,970 questioning authority. I don't know. Well, 1028 00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:20,970 Adam Curry: Zuckerberg has been calling for regulation for a 1029 00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:24,090 while. I mean, he said now it's time for the government to 1030 00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:29,040 regulate the internet. So I'm thinking it is he's setting He's 1031 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,960 planting a flag but maybe EO MasterCard has been I think 1032 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,970 they're holding a shareholder vote to determine whether 1033 00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:42,690 MasterCard should have a program in place that can cut off 1034 00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:49,110 payments for far right on the political scale. Facebook is 1035 00:59:49,110 --> 00:59:53,310 also trying to do they want to do a currency a crypto currency, 1036 00:59:54,270 --> 00:59:56,190 and they're looking I think they were looking to do like a 1037 00:59:56,190 --> 01:00:02,040 billion dollar coin offering or Something like that. Yeah, 1 1038 01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,860 billion. And they've been talking to a lot of banks and 1039 01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:08,160 maybe that maybe they're talking to MasterCard. I don't know it. 1040 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,310 To me this feels like a corporate move in in regard like 1041 01:00:11,310 --> 01:00:15,510 there's something they want to do. They want to make sure they 1042 01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:18,420 don't have it's like brand safe to the extreme. Let's put it 1043 01:00:18,420 --> 01:00:18,870 that way. 1044 01:00:22,110 --> 01:00:23,910 John C. Dvorak: Why don't they do it in general, though? I 1045 01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:29,250 mean, there's some very important people on Facebook and 1046 01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:32,580 Twitter for that matter who are on the left, I would say, How 1047 01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:37,800 does Carl Reiner continue to spew his venom? On Twitter? It 1048 01:00:37,830 --> 01:00:39,030 makes no sense to me. 1049 01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:43,350 Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, then the only brand safe 1050 01:00:43,350 --> 01:00:46,620 John C. Dvorak: for the left me what you is just to encourage 1051 01:00:46,830 --> 01:00:49,260 Democrats to advertise there. I'm not sure what we're gonna 1052 01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:50,130 get it. While I 1053 01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:51,630 Adam Curry: was talking more about if you're invited. 1054 01:00:52,110 --> 01:00:55,170 Everybody wants to be beat all Silicon Valley companies 1055 01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,150 ultimately have one final goal Apple is getting there. They 1056 01:01:00,150 --> 01:01:04,050 want to be your bank. Apple, I think is pretty far along. 1057 01:01:04,050 --> 01:01:06,660 Google has their initiatives. Facebook has been looking at 1058 01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:09,390 this for a long time they all want to control and whether 1059 01:01:09,390 --> 01:01:11,580 they're really your bank, or whether just controlling your 1060 01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:15,120 purchase mechanism is taking a piece of the action. Right? But 1061 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,330 they they want to be a much, much, much bigger player in 1062 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,190 where else are they going to go? They already have your 1063 01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:22,740 information. The only thing the only data they don't actually 1064 01:01:22,740 --> 01:01:26,010 have 100% access to is the data in your bank account. They want 1065 01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:29,190 to control that to that's in there. That is in their DNA. 1066 01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:32,070 That's what these companies do. They need to grow. 1067 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,040 John C. Dvorak: I Oh get you're not making it, you're not 1068 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,400 connecting the dots. Yeah, I'm connecting the dots between make 1069 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,320 more sense after I play the next well notice 1070 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,910 Adam Curry: that I'm connecting the dots by saying MasterCard, 1071 01:01:44,970 --> 01:01:47,580 which is an important player and anyone who's going to do 1072 01:01:47,580 --> 01:01:49,770 anything with any type of money, we'll have to deal with 1073 01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:54,330 MasterCard online. They're talking about having a committee 1074 01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:58,590 that can D platform users from even using their transaction 1075 01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:01,980 system. Facebook wants to do transactions, maybe they're 1076 01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:04,980 prepping for some kind of big deal. That's what I'm, 1077 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,410 John C. Dvorak: I understand that part of your argument. I 1078 01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:10,620 just don't understand. Why does it have to be a bunch of right 1079 01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:14,370 wingers? Or borderline right wingers are just goofballs, like 1080 01:02:14,370 --> 01:02:19,050 Laura Loomer, who Luber rises people and makes fools out of 1081 01:02:19,050 --> 01:02:23,040 them and interrupts public meetings to make some you know 1082 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,820 valid points I think in many cases I don't get it what why 1083 01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:27,690 just them 1084 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,540 Adam Curry: well he they also kicked off Farah can so that was 1085 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,160 exactly its 1086 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,790 John C. Dvorak: choice to assuage the right Oh, we got rid 1087 01:02:35,790 --> 01:02:39,210 of Farah can't do who else who else did you get rid of besides 1088 01:02:39,210 --> 01:02:45,270 Farah can? Nobody? Oh, we'll see. And when you only compare 1089 01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:48,930 it to like Paul like to Watson and Loomer, I would put both 1090 01:02:48,930 --> 01:02:52,890 into categories. It's like they're dumb. They're not 1091 01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:56,790 promoting hate or weirdness or anything, it seems to me. 1092 01:02:58,290 --> 01:03:01,350 Watching just complains, and Loomer just tries to make fools 1093 01:03:01,350 --> 01:03:01,920 out of me. That's 1094 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,490 Adam Curry: my theory, 1095 01:03:02,490 --> 01:03:04,770 John C. Dvorak: I don't even think of Alex Jones is much more 1096 01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:06,570 than a really very entertaining guy. 1097 01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:09,000 Adam Curry: So what's your theory? 1098 01:03:09,959 --> 01:03:13,289 John C. Dvorak: I don't have one. Okay. All right. My 1099 01:03:13,289 --> 01:03:16,499 theories are just trying to stop right wing debates, or they're 1100 01:03:16,499 --> 01:03:19,829 just trying to prove virtue signaling to the to the 1101 01:03:19,889 --> 01:03:23,519 douchebags in Silicon Valley who have for some unknown reason, 1102 01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:27,569 over the last 20 or 30 years have gone cover left wing from 1103 01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:29,759 left wingers and get it 1104 01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:32,130 Adam Curry: that must be very disturbing can live there and 1105 01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:32,910 see that happen. 1106 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:37,650 John C. Dvorak: It was extremely disturbing in it, but it's more 1107 01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:43,170 of a quizzical thing. It's like, Wait a minute. This happened. I 1108 01:03:43,170 --> 01:03:46,770 know some of the reasons for it. I mean, John Doerr is one of the 1109 01:03:46,770 --> 01:03:50,040 number one Democrat supporters and a big promoter of this to 1110 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,790 the point where he calls people out and he gets into rec, he 1111 01:03:53,790 --> 01:03:56,340 Adam Curry: still is he still a big deal in in Silicon Valley. 1112 01:03:56,340 --> 01:04:00,150 Even after all these failures, it's the money including my 1113 01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:00,660 company. 1114 01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:06,030 John C. Dvorak: Well, he's not the big deal he wants was right. 1115 01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:09,570 Insofar as V venture capital is concerned, he's not no, they 1116 01:04:09,570 --> 01:04:14,190 don't turn to him. But when it comes to politics, which is 1117 01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:17,490 where he resides now, I mean, he's the one who brought Al Gore 1118 01:04:17,490 --> 01:04:21,600 into the company. He's the one who was promoted on the new 1119 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,320 Bano. barndo auto and green, green, green, that's invest in 1120 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,540 green, that's where the money is. I mean, it was a huge 1121 01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:29,280 Adam Curry: green tech Green Tech. 1122 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,160 John C. Dvorak: It goes back to if anybody wants to chide you, I 1123 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,190 don't even know if anybody still at Kleiner Perkins knows about 1124 01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:42,780 the snowblower fiasco of years early snowblower 1125 01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:45,210 Adam Curry: I don't even know the snowblower fiasco 1126 01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:47,340 John C. Dvorak: apparently they funded some but they thought was 1127 01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:50,250 gonna be the future of something I don't all I remember it's it's 1128 01:04:50,250 --> 01:04:55,170 vague now, but it's been vested millions and millions to some 1129 01:04:55,380 --> 01:04:59,190 snowblower company that somehow attached a snow blower to a 1130 01:04:59,190 --> 01:05:05,070 bicycle And the sidewalks are some I don't remember. 1131 01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:09,450 Adam Curry: I mean, I know that they, I think they were in the 1132 01:05:09,450 --> 01:05:13,050 first at the Segway. I remember that. Oh, the Segway they were 1133 01:05:13,050 --> 01:05:14,850 all they were all over on the 1134 01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:20,580 John C. Dvorak: bus. While everybody in the offices I was 1135 01:05:20,580 --> 01:05:25,050 riding them around way. I never saw anybody driving around but 1136 01:05:25,050 --> 01:05:27,960 they all had a Segway and they all have these big glassed in 1137 01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:31,830 offices. And each one have it had a Segway plug plugged into 1138 01:05:31,830 --> 01:05:34,050 the wall as if they were going to use it. 1139 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,760 Adam Curry: If so, right. And then when they, when they got 1140 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,790 the 500 million that was Ray lane, he got the $500 million 1141 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,800 from the government to support Fisker which went up a little 1142 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:52,320 smoke. They everybody was driving Fiskars and plugging him 1143 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,100 in named me. I got a plug in my $300,000 car. 1144 01:05:57,930 --> 01:05:59,670 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, yeah. Had 1145 01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,210 Adam Curry: you been? I guess the moral of the story is, you 1146 01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:07,800 would be surprised how the people who fund a lot of 1147 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:13,650 companies and men really run what goes where? How inadequate, 1148 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,240 and stupid they are. 1149 01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:20,730 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, well, they made the money is made on the 1150 01:06:20,730 --> 01:06:24,300 leverage with a very few companies that just skyrocket in 1151 01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:28,020 value. And it makes everybody filthy rich isn't like the shake 1152 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:29,250 of the dice. It's just, 1153 01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:31,980 Adam Curry: they didn't even get it on Google. They had to buy in 1154 01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:34,320 because they missed the boat. And they missed the swing to 1155 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,010 take credit 1156 01:06:35,010 --> 01:06:37,500 John C. Dvorak: for it. Yeah, everybody. I noticed this too. 1157 01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,190 It's like I know when Google started. And then all of a 1158 01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:44,760 sudden they start to go public. All these guys buy in at the 1159 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,190 highest prices, so they could say they were part of the 1160 01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:49,920 founding. Crap. 1161 01:06:50,250 --> 01:06:52,920 Adam Curry: Yeah, it was. I'd heard that whole story from I 1162 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:57,180 think maybe from John Doerr told me where they had to deal with 1163 01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:59,610 this some deal was happening and they weren't in on it. And then 1164 01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:02,790 they call it was a you got to we got to be in on this deal. And 1165 01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:05,580 then they did this at three in the morning. So they still had a 1166 01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:08,880 piece of it because it would be too embarrassing. It's 1167 01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:11,460 John C. Dvorak: where were you guys when Google happened? Yeah, 1168 01:07:11,490 --> 01:07:11,850 kinda. 1169 01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:15,480 Adam Curry: Well, with that, John, John Claude, I would like 1170 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,550 to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you 1171 01:07:17,550 --> 01:07:20,790 the man who put the C in MailChimp John C. 1172 01:07:22,740 --> 01:07:24,870 John C. Dvorak: Mr. Adam curry in the morning all ships and sea 1173 01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:26,970 boots on the ground feet in the air subs in the water and all 1174 01:07:26,970 --> 01:07:27,990 the names and nights out there 1175 01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:31,410 Adam Curry: in the morning to everyone in the troll room. No 1176 01:07:31,410 --> 01:07:34,650 agenda stream.com is where you can troll to your heart's 1177 01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:37,710 content. You can do it with your other fellow trolls come in as a 1178 01:07:37,710 --> 01:07:42,270 lone troll whatever you need. And we love it because I get my 1179 01:07:42,270 --> 01:07:45,150 one liners that get to correct did get information and 1180 01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:48,270 sometimes, it's just fun to be trolled. Thank you. No agenda 1181 01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:53,220 stream.com Merci beaucoup. Also in the morning to Woody. I do 1182 01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:57,900 not believe woody has ever scored a pic for album art. No, 1183 01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:02,010 he's done a couple over the weekend for notice. That's more 1184 01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:05,610 than a couple that several done several over the course of his 1185 01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:10,290 career and nailed it with the bar bunch in the Brady Bunch 1186 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:15,480 montage for episode 1134. That episode was titled opinion 1187 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,860 people. And it was just good. I mean, it's a classic. It's we've 1188 01:08:19,860 --> 01:08:24,300 had them similar to this before. But you can't go wrong with 1189 01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:27,780 bringing in all of the nut jobs in bar and call it the bar 1190 01:08:27,780 --> 01:08:30,720 brunch. It was it was fun. Good. And we appreciate it. Woody, 1191 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,170 thank you very much. No agenda art generator.com. Which, 1192 01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:37,500 thanks, Paul for keeping that thing fresh up and running. As 1193 01:08:37,500 --> 01:08:40,290 part of our value for value model. People doing stuff. 1194 01:08:40,290 --> 01:08:48,090 You're all producers. And truly a fascinating either we're such 1195 01:08:48,090 --> 01:08:51,210 a great global group. I was looking at some of the meetup 1196 01:08:51,210 --> 01:08:55,980 pictures and looking at the list of meetups. What we've achieved 1197 01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:59,070 here and not not you and I but with everybody. It's it's pretty 1198 01:08:59,070 --> 01:09:04,770 phenomenal when you think about the talent. The knowledge, the 1199 01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:09,120 knowledge that people have. I mean, it goes from six year 1200 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:14,250 olds, about nine year olds to retired to marine colonels. 1201 01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:18,450 We've got doctors, we've got a I got a ton of big farm of people 1202 01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:22,410 who giving us their boots on the ground reporting. It's just 1203 01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:27,600 there's so much. I don't think anyone can really can really get 1204 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,850 to where we've got you. There's no shortcut. Let me put it that 1205 01:09:29,850 --> 01:09:32,850 way. And I've written I know, I speak on behalf of John, we 1206 01:09:32,850 --> 01:09:36,180 appreciate it. And especially those who support us 1207 01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:39,390 financially, in particular one it's difficult even to get a 1208 01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:42,030 reminder out because you do have to do that in this value for 1209 01:09:42,030 --> 01:09:44,400 value model. You have to remind people you have to show remind 1210 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,430 people that we need to be supported and those who can do 1211 01:09:47,490 --> 01:09:50,520 and so people did come in some people did receive the message 1212 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,770 and we're going to thank them right now as our executive 1213 01:09:52,770 --> 01:09:54,870 producers and Associate Executive producers for episode 1214 01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:58,020 1135 1135. 1215 01:09:59,130 --> 01:10:00,330 John C. Dvorak: Well, considering it's Ain't got a 1216 01:10:00,330 --> 01:10:03,660 mile we only got four or four and what am I saying? We got 1217 01:10:03,660 --> 01:10:06,300 three one executive producer and two associates. So it's not 1218 01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:09,540 gonna be a long segment except for the fact that the these 1219 01:10:09,540 --> 01:10:15,150 people are long winded. David Duncan starts us off from Orem, 1220 01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:21,120 Utah, 103 and $33.33. And he says heads up by he wants to 1221 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:25,230 sharpen up tolerance. Here's a bevy of threes for you. Thanks 1222 01:10:25,230 --> 01:10:27,780 to both for the best podcast in the universe. According to the 1223 01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:32,460 Muller report, and many years of sanity you have imparted, I 1224 01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:37,050 don't care to ingest much news anymore, but when I do I view it 1225 01:10:37,050 --> 01:10:40,350 through the no agenda lens which dramatically reduces the anxiety 1226 01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:45,600 would otherwise cause a big shout out to Mike scolara that 1227 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,340 sir Mike Snyder, the jig averse to you for repeatedly hitting me 1228 01:10:50,340 --> 01:10:53,700 in the mouth many years ago even when I quit listening after 1229 01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:56,730 trying a few episodes. A few shows back you mentioned the 1230 01:10:56,730 --> 01:11:00,660 Mormon CIA never Trumper a connection as a Utah Mormon who 1231 01:11:00,660 --> 01:11:04,260 graduated from BYU I took particular interest in your 1232 01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:08,250 Mormon CIA never Trumper deconstruction Mormons have a 1233 01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:12,360 strong sense of patriotism and are short on on the vices which 1234 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,380 can compromise many agents no drinking no drugs no 1235 01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:22,290 extramarital sex. That's interesting. Oh, is the CIA only 1236 01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:30,630 refers to one. No drugs leads correct. It's true. Which leads 1237 01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:36,390 to heavy recruiting at BYU by the FBI, the CIA and the NSA. As 1238 01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:41,460 a bonafide as bonafide prudes. It's easy for Mormons to dislike 1239 01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:44,640 Trump. I thought it was a never Trumper for a while I got 1240 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,630 better. While I still dislike Trump personally, not to mention 1241 01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:52,920 his past womanizing, I take him over fellow Mormons 1242 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,240 backstabbing, flip flopping flip flopping hypocrite Mitt Romney, 1243 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:04,860 or spy hillary supporter, Evan McMullen any day. Mike Lee, 1244 01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:08,910 however, seems to be gaining some respect for Trump. Note the 1245 01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:13,830 first few seconds of Mike Lee's CPAC speech last year, quote, I 1246 01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:17,340 say bring it on. Let's roll. Let's keep making America great 1247 01:12:17,340 --> 01:12:21,900 again. That's quite the endorsement. It was well I you 1248 01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:24,120 know, I have somebody else wrote me another I had a couple of 1249 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,320 Mormons write me and, and time one of them was very concerned 1250 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,890 because he was convinced that Mike Lee was a huge Trump 1251 01:12:31,890 --> 01:12:35,310 supporter and I had to brief them on Mike Lee's anti Trump 1252 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,620 nature and then he's and then he cited his Twitter feed. And I 1253 01:12:40,620 --> 01:12:44,280 said if you read his Twitter feed, which I did, a it's really 1254 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,750 just very he's very pro Republican. And so at some 1255 01:12:48,750 --> 01:12:51,360 point, he has to support the president and that's been as far 1256 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,410 as it goes. Anyway, I note the last week he goes on anyway, 1257 01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:58,110 thanks for the sanity I'd love and Al Sharpton montage of some 1258 01:12:58,110 --> 01:13:04,740 Kermit Dave Duncan Orem Utah. Oh 73 is k f seven UWL. Yes. Or as 1259 01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:08,610 he puts a kilo Foxtrot seven uniform whiskey Lima then and in 1260 01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:09,030 the morning 1261 01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:11,970 Unknown: to you. 70 threes kilo five alpha, Charlie, Charlie, 1262 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:19,050 thank you very much for your support. During lunch at 1263 01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:30,150 Chipotle, the tortoise in the race, Kim Kardashian Weaver wash 1264 01:13:30,150 --> 01:13:31,920 our ESP IICT. 1265 01:13:32,370 --> 01:13:40,860 They are all Jide ESP 30 There's no real conference. This we must 1266 01:13:42,420 --> 01:13:43,170 resist. 1267 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:55,200 We must. We must. And we will much about that. Be committed. 1268 01:13:57,870 --> 01:13:59,550 You've got karma. 1269 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,590 Adam Curry: figured it was time to play the long version of 1270 01:14:01,590 --> 01:14:01,920 that. 1271 01:14:03,630 --> 01:14:05,460 John C. Dvorak: And talking about long versions is a note 1272 01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:06,390 that's oversized 1273 01:14:06,420 --> 01:14:09,000 Adam Curry: I think you can skip through some parts of this. 1274 01:14:09,390 --> 01:14:16,380 John C. Dvorak: Maybe yes, I was gonna miss tuna. $33.69 ITM John 1275 01:14:16,380 --> 01:14:20,820 Adam in the squeaky chair. What's that chair? 1276 01:14:20,910 --> 01:14:22,230 Adam Curry: It's not oh, what's it oh, 1277 01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:23,970 John C. Dvorak: he says hi back to share says hi 1278 01:14:24,030 --> 01:14:26,970 Adam Curry: God. Now you'd like Pee Wee. Herman. Wait, wait. 1279 01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:30,960 John C. Dvorak: Okay, I'm not gonna repeat that's not worth 1280 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,830 repeating. Sir. I'm a listener since about Oh, sure. I'm a 1281 01:14:34,830 --> 01:14:37,620 listener since about 950 is my first donate. So I need a D 1282 01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:38,550 douching. Okay. 1283 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,180 Unknown: You've been D deuced. 1284 01:14:44,370 --> 01:14:46,800 John C. Dvorak: Now, he goes on about how the black boxes work 1285 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,180 in cars. And he apparently is an expert in black box technology 1286 01:14:51,180 --> 01:14:54,060 and well known. That's when their reasoning was to be 1287 01:14:54,060 --> 01:15:00,600 anonymous. He says what we're referring to as a black box is 1288 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,080 an airbag computer which also acts as an event data recorder. 1289 01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:07,830 As it works today that upon deployment of the airbag, the 1290 01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:12,660 send key algorithm that typically allows us computer 1291 01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:16,890 taking software updates being erased and overwritten to and 1292 01:15:16,890 --> 01:15:20,070 participating in the CAN bus controllers get central 1293 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,850 Controller Area Network. This is a reason that if your airbag 1294 01:15:23,850 --> 01:15:26,070 goes off, you're told you also need to replace the airbag 1295 01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:30,990 computer. Anyway. Cut to the chase. He says this is all about 1296 01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:35,940 the change in the 2020 2021 smog machines though, the new smog 1297 01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:40,830 machines requires that all auto computers remain untouched. 1298 01:15:40,890 --> 01:15:45,270 Unlike today, where aftermarket products existed tune enhanced 1299 01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:48,060 the operation of a vehicle for timing and fuel delivery and 1300 01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:53,460 other exposed and defined parameters. Soon you will not be 1301 01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:57,150 able to pass aftermarket products that you're not be able 1302 01:15:57,150 --> 01:16:00,210 to pass smog if any of these computers have been modified in 1303 01:16:00,210 --> 01:16:03,480 any way. And they and the send key index 1304 01:16:04,890 --> 01:16:08,190 Adam Curry: seed key to cc xes 1305 01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:12,210 John C. Dvorak: seed key index algorithm protecting them today 1306 01:16:12,450 --> 01:16:16,230 are being switched to rolling rainbow encryption is like 1307 01:16:17,010 --> 01:16:20,340 Adam Curry: Oh, I gotta write that down. Rolling rainbow 1308 01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:23,280 John C. Dvorak: hellos that is we'll find out is likely soon 1309 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,630 you will be issued a ticket based on your decision to speed 1310 01:16:27,630 --> 01:16:30,930 four months ago on a Sunday morning. However, that does not 1311 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,200 exist today with today's vehicles. Well, you will that's 1312 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,390 what the point is, which we've been predicting. It's obvious 1313 01:16:36,390 --> 01:16:39,930 that's what you want to do, of course, but I do it's not 1314 01:16:39,930 --> 01:16:48,840 answered in this note. Is the question of so I have a 25 year 1315 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:55,500 old Lexus. And is it if I swap out the computer which would 1316 01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:59,730 give I can get lots of horsepower out of this car. And 1317 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,380 does it apply to old computers that have been switched out or 1318 01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:08,550 just a new ones after the 2020 model? is no joke it's not a 1319 01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:10,380 kind of good note from an app perspective. 1320 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,060 Adam Curry: When you when you drive in that in that Lexus all 1321 01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:20,880 people do is look and salute you. They don't care. They're 1322 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,490 like look at that old guy. Remember when you grow up you 1323 01:17:23,490 --> 01:17:26,310 say oh look at that guy in a model for the Model T ER model 1324 01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:31,380 A. Wow, that's so cool. That's who you are now. Yeah, it's just 1325 01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:34,110 doesn't look the car just looks different. Yeah, it looks kind 1326 01:17:34,110 --> 01:17:34,800 of groggy but 1327 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,920 John C. Dvorak: the car is still collectible by the community at 1328 01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:42,240 large. People still offer to buy it constantly. Shout out to my 1329 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,470 smokin hot wife big see as we celebrate 11 years on Friday May 1330 01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:50,370 3 Oh nice pleased some house buying karma best of you all. 1331 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:51,270 Loomis 1332 01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:54,780 Adam Curry: Yes. And thank you very much for your support of 1333 01:17:54,780 --> 01:17:59,400 the program and keep us informed as that what we own is no longer 1334 01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:00,120 really ours. 1335 01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:03,660 Unknown: You've got karma. 1336 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,370 John C. Dvorak: Jim Watson Whistler. Wow Whistler BC One of 1337 01:18:11,370 --> 01:18:17,040 the most picturesque places in the world $233.33 resource. 1338 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:17,850 Sorry, 1339 01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:20,370 Adam Curry: I've been I've been to Whistler. Very pretty. I 1340 01:18:20,370 --> 01:18:24,000 skied it. I skied with ski Whistler, man 1341 01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:26,790 John C. Dvorak: he's our associate second Associate 1342 01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:30,300 Executive Producer and last one on the list. Happy birthday to 1343 01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:33,930 me donation rather than grouse about my birthday being hijacked 1344 01:18:33,930 --> 01:18:38,370 by the Mexican liquor cartel as I have in the past, I will 1345 01:18:38,370 --> 01:18:42,300 change my title from Sir James of the mountains to Dude, I 1346 01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:46,230 don't know if he's if this if you serious about this. Just sir 1347 01:18:46,230 --> 01:18:50,250 Sanko de mio having passed Baronet level some time ago. 1348 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:51,000 Hmm, 1349 01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:54,000 Adam Curry: well, I think I think it's on the official list. 1350 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,880 I see we had a title change. 1351 01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:59,910 John C. Dvorak: We can do that. No, no, no, 1352 01:18:59,970 --> 01:19:02,280 Adam Curry: I guess he's just throwing it in for fun. It's 1353 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,090 John C. Dvorak: okay, if you give us a confirmation on this 1354 01:19:06,090 --> 01:19:08,640 change, then we'll do that. Yes, we'll do it later. We're not 1355 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,540 going to do it. Just when it sounds like a joke. Alright. 1356 01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:17,490 Jingles Sir Chris has to channel lose goat karma please. 1357 01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:19,230 Adam Curry: So Geez lose 1358 01:19:21,150 --> 01:19:23,670 two channel I don't know what that means. But we'll give it a 1359 01:19:23,670 --> 01:19:24,090 shot. 1360 01:19:26,250 --> 01:19:27,030 Unknown: You've got 1361 01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:35,940 Adam Curry: all right, thank you very much. That's great. 1362 01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:38,520 forgotten that want to forget forget what people make somebody 1363 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,460 good jingles? Good stuff. That was it though. 1364 01:19:41,490 --> 01:19:44,460 John C. Dvorak: Sadly. Yeah, that was it for a show. 1135 1365 01:19:44,460 --> 01:19:47,250 want to thank these folks for producing the show and we'll 1366 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,120 have more producers in general listed later. Yeah, we 1367 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,310 Adam Curry: do. $50 and above in our second segment. These are 1368 01:19:53,310 --> 01:19:55,950 very valuable credits. They're just like Hollywood you 1369 01:19:55,950 --> 01:19:59,040 recognize it executive producer or Associate Executive Producer. 1370 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,100 They work they work where people understand what credits are 1371 01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:06,420 about. So use them display them proudly. And if anyone ever 1372 01:20:06,420 --> 01:20:09,600 questions it, I will be happy to hop on a phone call and vouch 1373 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,020 for you. And please consider supporting us again on Thursday 1374 01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:18,180 at VO rec.org/and. No one can tell you that you don't know 1375 01:20:18,180 --> 01:20:21,480 everything to be deconstructed about hair. We got it. Our 1376 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:21,990 formula 1377 01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:37,350 Unknown: is this. We go out yet people in the mouth shut us 1378 01:20:42,510 --> 01:20:45,870 Adam Curry: different font different farmer news. 1379 01:20:47,730 --> 01:20:52,950 Very interesting case that is taking place in particular 1380 01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:58,410 because it is a criminal case against a CEO and an entire 1381 01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:01,680 pharmaceutical corporation. A couple of clips I'd like to 1382 01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,110 share this is the background of it. It's on NPR. 1383 01:21:04,710 --> 01:21:08,640 Unknown: Prosecutors laid out what they say was a nationwide 1384 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,420 scheme to 1385 01:21:09,630 --> 01:21:12,060 Adam Curry: are they hiring people on voice anymore on NPR 1386 01:21:12,060 --> 01:21:14,820 they just hiring anybody? I don't 1387 01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:19,290 Unknown: know. The prosecutors laid out what they say was a 1388 01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:24,570 nationwide scheme to boost sales of this opioid painkiller. And 1389 01:21:24,570 --> 01:21:27,210 you can think about it in three different steps. The first thing 1390 01:21:27,210 --> 01:21:30,870 they did was they targeted doctors who are known to over 1391 01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:34,050 prescribe opioids, the head of sale somebody who presided 1392 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,970 Adam Curry: over what over prescribe opioids does she say 1393 01:21:38,970 --> 01:21:40,440 the word prescriber. 1394 01:21:40,590 --> 01:21:41,640 Let's listen again, 1395 01:21:41,670 --> 01:21:44,730 Unknown: the first thing they did was they targeted doctors 1396 01:21:44,730 --> 01:21:47,160 who are known to over prescribe opioids 1397 01:21:47,340 --> 01:21:48,390 Adam Curry: over prescribe. 1398 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,350 John C. Dvorak: I just look over beside. Okay, 1399 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:55,080 Adam Curry: well, it's overprescribe how to 1400 01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,420 Unknown: sail somebody who pleaded guilty and testified for 1401 01:21:57,420 --> 01:22:02,850 the prosecution said that the company ran toward pill mills 1402 01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:05,940 not away from them to Insys Therapeutics. He said, pill 1403 01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:09,840 mills meant dollar signs. The next thing they did was as you 1404 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,260 said they bribed doctors to write prescriptions. That often 1405 01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:16,620 meant that people were being prescribed really high opioids. 1406 01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:19,980 And these people these patients didn't necessarily need it. They 1407 01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:24,030 set up a sham speakers program where doctors are paid not to 1408 01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:27,060 give lectures but to write prescriptions. And then the last 1409 01:22:27,060 --> 01:22:30,780 thing they did was they set up a whole call center where insist 1410 01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:34,320 employees deceived insurance companies saying whatever was 1411 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,290 necessary to get their expensive medication covered. That 1412 01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:39,870 includes fabricating cancer diagnoses. 1413 01:22:40,530 --> 01:22:45,240 Adam Curry: So this is a spray the spray fentanyl? Yeah, and, 1414 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:50,040 and this this to the no no agenda producers who have been 1415 01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,890 around like, Okay, we know exactly how this works. They 1416 01:22:53,130 --> 01:22:56,040 they bribe the doctor to get him speaking fees for things they 1417 01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,770 don't have to speak at. They give him hookers, they've taken 1418 01:22:58,770 --> 01:23:00,450 it to a whole new level. In this case. 1419 01:23:00,450 --> 01:23:02,760 Unknown: Throughout the trial, the prosecutors basically 1420 01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,420 depicted a company that was corrupt through and through, for 1421 01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:10,650 example, insists sales reps received higher bonuses when 1422 01:23:10,650 --> 01:23:14,280 they convinced doctors to write prescriptions in higher doses. 1423 01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:18,120 The idea was get patients hooked and kind of keep them coming 1424 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,780 back for more. They even made a music video that was shown 1425 01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:23,490 during the trial about this. Here's 1426 01:23:23,490 --> 01:23:26,400 a clip. We can come into your office we can go and bring some 1427 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,470 lunch and while your stuff is good and fair, we can start 1428 01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:29,820 discussing SubSys Yes. 1429 01:23:31,410 --> 01:23:33,240 Adam Curry: I've watched the whole video I put a link in the 1430 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:37,740 show notes. Once your white guy douchebags during the hip hop 1431 01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:40,620 video about drugging up people's dynamite 1432 01:23:40,650 --> 01:23:44,070 Unknown: That is That is incredible. Clearly the lengths 1433 01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:45,960 that they were willing to go to to do this. 1434 01:23:46,650 --> 01:23:50,970 Yeah, and things got even crazier. They they hired a 1435 01:23:50,970 --> 01:23:54,090 former exotic dancer to be part of their sales team. She was 1436 01:23:54,090 --> 01:23:56,700 actually one of the defendants who was found guilty yesterday 1437 01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:58,290 in the trial. And she 1438 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:04,860 Adam Curry: what there's there's sex used in sales 1439 01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:07,260 Unknown: attendants who was found guilty yesterday in the 1440 01:24:07,260 --> 01:24:11,310 trial. And she she gave a lap dance to a doctor to try and 1441 01:24:11,310 --> 01:24:13,890 convince him to prescribe their opioid medication. 1442 01:24:16,410 --> 01:24:18,810 Adam Curry: You gotta hear so she firstly does that whole Wow 1443 01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:26,670 thing and then was it in that work that the very end she does 1444 01:24:26,670 --> 01:24:27,180 another one. 1445 01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:29,640 Unknown: She was actually one of the defendants who was found 1446 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,750 guilty yesterday in the trial. She she gave a lap dance to a 1447 01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:36,450 doctor to try and convince him to prescribe their opioid 1448 01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:37,170 medication. 1449 01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:39,179 Oh my, oh, my. 1450 01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:43,380 Adam Curry: They're so shocked about this. This has been going 1451 01:24:43,380 --> 01:24:48,840 on for a long time. And interestingly, well, I'll get to 1452 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,630 that in a second. Here's the last the last clip because this 1453 01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:54,990 is a criminal trial. That's what's great and new about this 1454 01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:59,250 Unknown: is a criminal case, not a civil case often. You see 1455 01:24:59,250 --> 01:25:02,400 pharmaceutical companies getting in trouble in civil cases that 1456 01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,900 means big fines. But this criminal case means possible 1457 01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:11,460 prison time these executives are facing up to two decades behind 1458 01:25:11,460 --> 01:25:15,270 bars. The other thing to note here is that they were charged 1459 01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:19,680 with racketeering conspiracy. That means this crime these 1460 01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,670 crimes were systemic, they were conspiring. This was not just a 1461 01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:27,780 few bad actors. racketeering was originally designed to go after 1462 01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:31,230 organized crime. The prosecutors are essentially saying this, 1463 01:25:31,260 --> 01:25:34,380 these pharmaceutical executives were like drug lords. This kind 1464 01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:37,020 of represents an aggressive strategy by the federal 1465 01:25:37,020 --> 01:25:39,600 government to go after pharmaceutical companies for 1466 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,260 their role in fueling the opioid epidemic. And experts say that 1467 01:25:43,260 --> 01:25:46,440 this is likely the beginning of a trend and that this case could 1468 01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:48,990 be a blueprint for future prosecutions. 1469 01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:52,020 Yeah, baby. 1470 01:25:52,980 --> 01:25:58,500 John C. Dvorak: I had a clip I had this clip from me I have to 1471 01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:02,250 do a search that they just got overlooked, but it was done on I 1472 01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:06,300 had Amy's version of this when it first started off. Because I 1473 01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:11,400 think if you do this search drug drug lords Democracy Now Deanne 1474 01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,720 at the end, might find I just can't find it my old lists. 1475 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,660 Adam Curry: Yes, white collar drug lord, does that sound about 1476 01:26:18,660 --> 01:26:18,990 right? 1477 01:26:18,990 --> 01:26:21,390 John C. Dvorak: That's the same story. This is this is when it 1478 01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:25,530 first began. And it might be worth playing as as a adjunct to 1479 01:26:25,530 --> 01:26:26,640 what you just played in New 1480 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,370 Unknown: York City. Federal prosecutors announced criminal 1481 01:26:29,370 --> 01:26:29,910 charges the 1482 01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:31,680 Adam Curry: girl who we just heard is going to grow up to be 1483 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,210 Amy, you hear how that voice went? 1484 01:26:34,230 --> 01:26:37,710 John C. Dvorak: From possibility. I wonder what you 1485 01:26:37,710 --> 01:26:40,980 asked about do they check on? I think that they probably got her 1486 01:26:41,010 --> 01:26:44,430 she's professional voice person, you know, sex chat line, 1487 01:26:44,430 --> 01:26:44,850 probably. 1488 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,750 Unknown: Well, let's just listen a little bit to her laughter 1489 01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:49,950 pharmaceutical companies 1490 01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,980 in New York City, federal prosecutors announced criminal 1491 01:26:52,980 --> 01:26:58,950 charges Tuesday against the Rochester drug cooperative, a 1492 01:26:58,950 --> 01:27:02,220 major producer of opioids, charging them with a conspiracy 1493 01:27:02,220 --> 01:27:04,620 to profit by illegally distributing controlled 1494 01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:07,440 substances. This is Jeffrey Berman, US Attorney for the 1495 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,630 Southern District of New York artists. These 1496 01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:15,960 former CEO Lauren style is in custody and will be presented to 1497 01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,100 a judge in the Southern District of New York this afternoon. Dowd 1498 01:27:20,130 --> 01:27:24,930 is charged with conspiring to distribute oxycodone and phenol 1499 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,180 Adam Curry: that this isn't this. This is a different guy. 1500 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,390 They're not talking about this case, are they? 1501 01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:33,270 John C. Dvorak: I don't know. I mean, I'm wondering it's not 1502 01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:35,790 because this sounds different. This is not the CEO, the CEO of 1503 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,820 NAFTA a different good different group of people than me, but 1504 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:42,060 this is the same thing criminal fentanyl, 1505 01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:47,340 Unknown: conspiring to defraud the DEA dialed lead or DC during 1506 01:27:47,340 --> 01:27:51,300 the entire period of the charge conspiracy, and as alleged, 1507 01:27:51,450 --> 01:27:55,830 personally directed and profited from much of its criminal 1508 01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:56,370 activity. 1509 01:27:56,610 --> 01:27:59,910 That company's chief compliance officer also faces criminal 1510 01:27:59,910 --> 01:28:03,360 charges. Both executives face possible life in prison. 1511 01:28:03,509 --> 01:28:05,429 Adam Curry: Yeah, it's about time we throw some people in 1512 01:28:05,429 --> 01:28:09,359 jail, but it's it's kind of baffling to me because you've 1513 01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:12,539 got these stories like oh my God, what's going on? Look at 1514 01:28:12,539 --> 01:28:15,419 the corruption just to give them more medication that they didn't 1515 01:28:15,419 --> 01:28:19,889 need. But meanwhile, no one seems to connect the dots to oh, 1516 01:28:19,889 --> 01:28:22,709 I don't know the MMR vaccination. If you 1517 01:28:22,710 --> 01:28:26,580 Unknown: dodge the needle for measles. That's illegal. For if 1518 01:28:26,610 --> 01:28:31,560 you catch the measles, you will die, die. Everyone, all 1519 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,800 Adam Curry: of our producers chipped in. Got some good stuff 1520 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,560 to work with. Let's get an update on the measles outbreak 1521 01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,970 from Fox and Friends. 1522 01:28:40,710 --> 01:28:42,780 Unknown: Health Alert for you now hundreds of passengers 1523 01:28:42,780 --> 01:28:46,710 quarantined on a cruise ship due to a measles outbreak. Health 1524 01:28:46,710 --> 01:28:49,440 officials docking the ship believed to be used by the 1525 01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:53,100 Church of Scientology in St. Lucia. The infected crew member 1526 01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:56,280 is in isolation we're told the ship is set to depart today, 1527 01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,400 back on lands in the meantime, a woman with measles attended a 1528 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,690 packed California movie theater to see Avengers endgame. 1529 01:29:03,930 --> 01:29:06,900 Officials now warning other movie goers may have been 1530 01:29:06,900 --> 01:29:12,090 exposed. There are now 700 reported cases nationwide Merkin 1531 01:29:12,090 --> 01:29:14,160 company says that they have increased production of the 1532 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,730 vaccine. They are the only supplier of the measles vaccine 1533 01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:18,960 in the US. 1534 01:29:18,990 --> 01:29:20,700 Adam Curry: Oh yeah. 1535 01:29:23,490 --> 01:29:26,610 This is so good. So they have a number of quick little ditties. 1536 01:29:26,610 --> 01:29:32,820 Here. We're going back to NPR to understand about the MMR. Again. 1537 01:29:33,810 --> 01:29:38,610 We just went through this and we have trials going on criminal 1538 01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:42,150 trials of pharmaceutical companies and executives pushing 1539 01:29:42,150 --> 01:29:47,310 shit on people that they didn't need. It was too much of it over 1540 01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:51,720 prescribing yet complete silence on this and I actually have some 1541 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,470 stats here because we got a lot of a lot of people in the in the 1542 01:29:55,500 --> 01:29:59,610 healthcare industry telling us what's going on. You know the 1543 01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,810 just To give you an idea of the measles outbreak, which, 1544 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:09,330 interestingly, in 2014 ophthalmologists in California, 1545 01:30:11,130 --> 01:30:15,990 were able to become licensed to hand out to vaccinate people. So 1546 01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:18,420 you can go to your local ophthalmologist and so the 1547 01:30:18,420 --> 01:30:22,020 ophthalmologist published a couple things in conjunction 1548 01:30:22,020 --> 01:30:26,730 with the CDC. And right now we have the 704 cases, we're 1549 01:30:26,730 --> 01:30:31,980 tripping out. But in 2014, it was 667. It's not like, you 1550 01:30:31,980 --> 01:30:36,360 know, wow, what happened? How did that happen in these in, in 1551 01:30:36,660 --> 01:30:40,290 five short years, you know, and GE, it's all the way up to 700. 1552 01:30:40,290 --> 01:30:44,310 It's, it's not even, not even 100 more than what it was, but 1553 01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:47,550 okay, we're all supposed to be afraid, and NPR is participating 1554 01:30:47,550 --> 01:30:48,480 beautifully. And I have 1555 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,410 Unknown: to say every time I hear another story about another 1556 01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:57,000 piece of this measles outbreak, I wonder about all of the people 1557 01:30:57,030 --> 01:31:01,020 in this country who may have been vaccinated so long ago that 1558 01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:04,230 they don't even know what the status of their own vaccination 1559 01:31:04,230 --> 01:31:07,080 is, I have to say, I texted my mom and said, By the way, we 1560 01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:10,170 were vaccinated for Measles, weren't we? And she said, Yes, 1561 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,710 yes, you were. But at what point? Do kids get vaccinated 1562 01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:17,160 for this? And how long does the vaccination last? 1563 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,080 Well, children start to be vaccinated either at 12 or 15 1564 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:26,880 months of age, and then they get a second dose, usually, at age 1565 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:31,440 four, or five or six, somewhere in there. Fortunately, the 1566 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:37,950 protection from the vaccine is life long for 97% of us. So 1567 01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:40,440 that's really an excellent vaccine. 1568 01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:43,290 So there's no booster shot needed as an adult. 1569 01:31:43,710 --> 01:31:48,840 There's no booster shot needed for an adult. Now, that said, if 1570 01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:52,380 you're an adult who was vaccinated before 1989, and 1571 01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:56,310 you're going to an area of the world where there's ongoing 1572 01:31:56,310 --> 01:32:01,530 measles transmission, you might want to review your status to 1573 01:32:01,530 --> 01:32:06,690 make sure you got vaccinated and if there's any insecurity, just 1574 01:32:06,690 --> 01:32:08,850 get another dose of MMR 1575 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:13,140 Adam Curry: to be sure. This is my favorite. That's my favorite 1576 01:32:13,140 --> 01:32:18,360 thing. Just getting take two kids three shots, it's not gonna 1577 01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,940 kill you. What can we do to worry about if 1578 01:32:20,940 --> 01:32:23,880 Unknown: you have come in contact with someone who has 1579 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,140 measles but you yourself are vaccinated? Can you pass measles 1580 01:32:28,140 --> 01:32:29,400 on to a third person? 1581 01:32:30,150 --> 01:32:34,410 No, you will not because your protection will prevent that 1582 01:32:34,410 --> 01:32:39,690 from happening. So you're not only protecting yourself, you're 1583 01:32:39,690 --> 01:32:43,320 protecting people around you because you will not be a 1584 01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:44,340 transmitter. 1585 01:32:44,730 --> 01:32:47,970 What do you think needs to happen right now, Dr. Schaffner 1586 01:32:47,970 --> 01:32:51,180 to get this measles outbreak under control and make sure that 1587 01:32:51,540 --> 01:32:54,180 next week and the week after that, and the week after that, 1588 01:32:54,270 --> 01:32:57,990 we're not hearing story after story about a new outbreak 1589 01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:59,070 somewhere else in the world. 1590 01:33:00,180 --> 01:33:05,640 You've just heard me sigh because every child that is 1591 01:33:05,820 --> 01:33:11,610 unvaccinated, if they were vaccinated today, this problem 1592 01:33:11,610 --> 01:33:16,680 would end completely in two weeks. The issue really is 1593 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:22,890 unvaccinated children. We need to extend the protection of the 1594 01:33:22,890 --> 01:33:27,390 vaccine to all of those children. And we can once again 1595 01:33:27,660 --> 01:33:33,960 eliminate measles from the United States. Government 1596 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:34,560 children. 1597 01:33:34,710 --> 01:33:36,780 Adam Curry: That's right. They're coming for your kids. 1598 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,070 This is what they want. Let 1599 01:33:38,070 --> 01:33:40,200 John C. Dvorak: me let me read a note from one of our producers 1600 01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:43,260 Mike. longtime listener wanted to say thanks for having a 1601 01:33:43,260 --> 01:33:45,630 positive effect on my family regarding vaccines. And for 1602 01:33:45,630 --> 01:33:48,330 Brian, you backup for the importance of your reporting. 1603 01:33:48,330 --> 01:33:53,250 We're not anti vaxxers But have learned to question thanks. Our 1604 01:33:53,250 --> 01:33:58,020 state Virginia required papers, quote unquote, showing double 1605 01:33:58,020 --> 01:34:03,960 vaccination for MMR before admittance to school. Our kids 1606 01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:09,930 were vaccinated once we asked for a lab test instead of double 1607 01:34:09,930 --> 01:34:14,460 vaccination and were threatened with the $300 fee for each 1608 01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:20,700 child. But, but insisted anyway, kids were shown to be fully 1609 01:34:20,700 --> 01:34:25,260 immune by the lab tests and issued the proper quote unquote 1610 01:34:25,260 --> 01:34:29,490 papers and the insurance paid for the tests. Thank you for 1611 01:34:29,490 --> 01:34:30,690 your courage, Mike. 1612 01:34:31,050 --> 01:34:34,590 Adam Curry: It's interesting. I got one from Jim and I recently 1613 01:34:34,590 --> 01:34:37,230 took a job that requires me to have a series of vaccines or 1614 01:34:37,230 --> 01:34:39,780 prove that I had these vaccines it is in the healthcare 1615 01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:41,940 industry, but in my position I would likely never face a 1616 01:34:41,940 --> 01:34:47,070 customer. Still I must have MMR detach a T DHAP, Tdap and 1617 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:50,340 varicella. Any records of my vaccines as a child are long 1618 01:34:50,340 --> 01:34:53,520 gone I either had to take the vaccines or prove my immunity 1619 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,510 which is called a titer test is that ti t er titter tighter, 1620 01:34:57,810 --> 01:35:01,260 tighter. This test can prove immune Do you or may show that 1621 01:35:01,260 --> 01:35:04,350 you do not have immunity? Then you had to take the vaccines. My 1622 01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:06,900 insurance did not pay for the test but it did pay for the 1623 01:35:06,900 --> 01:35:09,480 vaccines. I elected to get the vaccines. 1624 01:35:11,070 --> 01:35:12,030 Nice knowing your gym 1625 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,750 John C. Dvorak: and just distilled water. 1626 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:22,260 Adam Curry: When rev Morgan when Obamacare first came through a 1627 01:35:22,260 --> 01:35:25,200 real time of health care upheaval, the local hospital was 1628 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:30,210 insisting pastors get flu shots. And some of the in some type of 1629 01:35:30,210 --> 01:35:33,270 physical to visit the hospital, they did a blood test and looked 1630 01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:36,630 at my antibodies. They insisted I get a new MMR since mine was 1631 01:35:36,630 --> 01:35:42,090 from 1973 years later, I'm upset about taking it. I'm not an anti 1632 01:35:42,090 --> 01:35:45,150 Vaxxer. But now I think some of this is overboard and a money 1633 01:35:45,150 --> 01:35:48,750 grab you think they do already want the requirement you 1634 01:35:48,750 --> 01:35:51,510 predicted on the last show. The vaccine requirement has kind of 1635 01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:57,630 fallen away though. Well, let's listen to the propaganda of 1636 01:35:57,630 --> 01:36:02,700 this. And again, it's you know, it's it's the measles. This 1637 01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:06,630 keeps it within perspective, people. But how about Stephen 1638 01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:09,210 Colbert? He's got a whole new take on this. But let's 1639 01:36:09,210 --> 01:36:13,380 Unknown: get away for a moment from our political crisis to 1640 01:36:13,380 --> 01:36:17,100 focus instead on the cheery news of our public health crisis is 1641 01:36:17,220 --> 01:36:21,900 the CDC reports that more than 700 people have been infected by 1642 01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:25,950 measles this year, marking a 25 year high for the infectious 1643 01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:26,520 disease. 1644 01:36:27,090 --> 01:36:30,270 Adam Curry: Ignoring the 2014 Almost 700 but okay, 1645 01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:33,900 Unknown: because people aren't vaccinating against it. What is 1646 01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:39,120 wrong with you? As the son of an immunologist? This might be the 1647 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,270 scariest news I have ever heard. 1648 01:36:44,670 --> 01:36:47,460 Adam Curry: Really, man, the scariest I mean, scarier than 1649 01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:47,940 Trump. 1650 01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:59,250 Unknown: Just this might be news I have ever heard. I people have 1651 01:36:59,250 --> 01:37:03,270 decided they're not sure if they want to be immune from disease. 1652 01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:07,380 Your ancestors are saying I would trade places with you, but 1653 01:37:07,380 --> 01:37:12,840 I died of measles. The roots of the anti Vax nonsense might be a 1654 01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,600 little more complex and nefarious than you'd think. 1655 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:15,870 Because 1656 01:37:15,870 --> 01:37:18,300 Adam Curry: no Where do you think he's going with this? If 1657 01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:20,550 you haven't, if you've seen it, don't don't but if you if you 1658 01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:22,470 didn't see it, where do you think he's going? 1659 01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:25,620 John C. Dvorak: Well, you do the RE intro give me the intro again 1660 01:37:25,620 --> 01:37:28,260 to the give me the premise again, and then I'll just make a 1661 01:37:28,260 --> 01:37:29,070 guess. Or 1662 01:37:29,070 --> 01:37:34,020 Unknown: trade places with you, but I died of measles. Now, the 1663 01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:37,410 roots of the anti Vax nonsense might be a little more complex 1664 01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:40,470 and nefarious than you'd think. Because it turns out 1665 01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:44,310 Adam Curry: okay. As what as it turns out what 1666 01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:47,640 John C. Dvorak: oh, the roots Well, it has to be maybe there's 1667 01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,960 some jab or needling Jenny McCarthy are better than that. 1668 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,130 Better than now. Yeah, it's a go to it's a classic got to be a 1669 01:37:56,130 --> 01:37:59,880 Trump thing, then close. Yeah, in a way 1670 01:37:59,910 --> 01:38:02,760 Unknown: Here we go are complex and nefarious than you'd think 1671 01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:07,680 because it turns out Russian trolls promoted anti vaccination 1672 01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,580 propaganda that may have paused measles outbreak, are you 1673 01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:15,600 telling me that Russian trolls helped promote a devastating 1674 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:22,440 disease that could weaken our nation, and now measles? Even 1675 01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:32,970 worse, gotta make the long war. Even more alarming, these trolls 1676 01:38:32,970 --> 01:38:35,580 were tweeting about both sides of the vaccine debate and 1677 01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:38,400 getting into an argument with themselves. Because Russia 1678 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,250 doesn't care if we're vaccinated or not. According to this 1679 01:38:41,250 --> 01:38:45,330 report, it is after a far bigger prize the exacerbation of 1680 01:38:45,330 --> 01:38:49,320 America's distrust of one another and in turn the erosion 1681 01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:53,550 of their confidence in society. Russia, you don't have to erode 1682 01:38:53,700 --> 01:38:57,180 our confidence in society. Twitter does that all on its 1683 01:38:57,180 --> 01:39:01,440 own? Just let it ride. We came up with the tide pod challenge 1684 01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:02,580 all by ourselves. 1685 01:39:04,290 --> 01:39:06,960 Adam Curry: But he's serious about that about this Russian 1686 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,690 this Russian is a real story. Yeah, 1687 01:39:09,690 --> 01:39:12,000 John C. Dvorak: here the Russians have managed to so 700 1688 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,940 people got wouldn't have what was really the Russians involved 1689 01:39:14,940 --> 01:39:17,190 in 2014 to win there were 700 There must 1690 01:39:17,190 --> 01:39:18,840 Adam Curry: have been them. They must have been involved with 1691 01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,480 damn Russia stem Russians, man. They've been in it for five 1692 01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:24,900 years. How is the general public right now? 1693 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,480 Unknown: cases have been surging in the lab is a 25 1694 01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:28,200 year high. 1695 01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:29,580 Adam Curry: Are you sure it's the measles. 1696 01:39:32,130 --> 01:39:36,510 Can't do any kind of vaccination story without the latest update 1697 01:39:36,510 --> 01:39:39,960 on the Democratic Republic of Congo. We've upped the ante now 1698 01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:45,090 on the Ebola outbreak, am just waiting for us to send some 1699 01:39:45,090 --> 01:39:48,660 troops. Ebola always brings the military 1700 01:39:48,690 --> 01:39:52,710 Unknown: more than 1500 people in the Democratic Republic of 1701 01:39:52,710 --> 01:39:56,760 Congo have contracted Ebola since the outbreak was declared 1702 01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:00,330 nine months ago. And the rate of infection is accelerate. meeting 1703 01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:05,880 Dr. Ted Ross and Dr. miletti, our regional director have 1704 01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:10,170 recently returned from from the Democratic Republic of Congo, 1705 01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:18,660 where they found the situation on the ground to be worse than 1706 01:40:18,660 --> 01:40:20,370 it has been previously. 1707 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:24,180 It's not just a virus that healthcare workers are battling. 1708 01:40:24,540 --> 01:40:28,050 Efforts to control Ebola are hampered by violent attacks. 1709 01:40:28,140 --> 01:40:32,220 Insecurity has become a major impediment to ensuring that we 1710 01:40:32,220 --> 01:40:36,060 can access engage with and serve the communities we wish to 1711 01:40:36,060 --> 01:40:41,490 serve, and Ebola control. Since January we've experienced 119 1712 01:40:41,490 --> 01:40:46,470 separate attacks 42, which directly on health facilities, 1713 01:40:46,770 --> 01:40:52,500 with 85 health personnel either injured or killed in those 1714 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:58,320 settings. So we are dealing with a difficult and volatile 1715 01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:59,550 situation a funeral 1716 01:40:59,550 --> 01:41:03,240 was held on Thursday for epidemiologist Richard mizuko, 1717 01:41:03,570 --> 01:41:08,190 who was shot dead by militia who reportedly shouted Ebola doesn't 1718 01:41:08,190 --> 01:41:08,910 exist. 1719 01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,300 Adam Curry: That's why they keep setting the treatment centers on 1720 01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:18,000 fire. They think that all they're doing is injecting the 1721 01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:23,580 population with shit that is just going to do something bad 1722 01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:26,640 to them. They they're not buying it. They don't buy it. 1723 01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:28,920 John C. Dvorak: I noticed and they're dying 1724 01:41:29,130 --> 01:41:30,060 Adam Curry: of Ebola. 1725 01:41:31,050 --> 01:41:33,270 John C. Dvorak: Well, there's an also a good connection between 1726 01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:39,120 both Ebola and measles with the thing that nobody's reporting on 1727 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:45,630 to any extreme which they should be, which is African swine 1728 01:41:45,660 --> 01:41:47,040 fever, yeah. 1729 01:41:47,310 --> 01:41:50,130 Adam Curry: Pig, pig, Ebola, pig Ebola, 1730 01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:54,360 John C. Dvorak: but, man, this is yeah, go ahead. This. This is 1731 01:41:54,360 --> 01:42:01,050 wiping out. Pigs everywhere. Now that it got I have a clip. This 1732 01:42:01,050 --> 01:42:06,420 is a lecture from Christopher aura in 2015. This is not a new 1733 01:42:06,420 --> 01:42:09,480 disease. By the way, if anybody thinks it might be made it for 1734 01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:10,650 Diedrich or anything. 1735 01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,780 Adam Curry: Is this the same thing as swine flu? Or is this 1736 01:42:12,780 --> 01:42:13,200 different? 1737 01:42:13,740 --> 01:42:15,720 John C. Dvorak: No compared there's not swine flu. It's not 1738 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:19,920 swine fever. It's African swine fever is a very specific 1739 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:26,910 disease. And it is 100% fatal. It spreads like wildfire. It 1740 01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:32,310 will spread from a ham sandwich. 1741 01:42:35,070 --> 01:42:40,680 Adam Curry: way away from a ham sandwich. A dead sliced up pig 1742 01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:41,550 cooked 1743 01:42:42,510 --> 01:42:49,590 John C. Dvorak: and salted. No. Yes. Wow. And what happens is 1744 01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:53,250 that it doesn't affect humans and people my wife is all bent 1745 01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,490 out of shape about this Oh, was a duck gets into China and ducks 1746 01:42:56,490 --> 01:42:58,650 gonna sneeze and they get no, we're gonna we're just gonna 1747 01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,950 know this has been around. This has been a serious problem in 1748 01:43:01,950 --> 01:43:06,930 parts of the world since the 1900s. But it's never gotten. 1749 01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,620 It's never gotten into Europe, which it now has, has never 1750 01:43:10,620 --> 01:43:13,500 gotten into Russia, which now has, and it never got into 1751 01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:18,180 China, which is it's spread throughout China almost 1752 01:43:18,180 --> 01:43:18,840 instantly. Well, 1753 01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,360 Adam Curry: hello, the Chinese are all over Africa there, bring 1754 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:22,740 it back. That's the problem. 1755 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,610 John C. Dvorak: When the problem is, is that this didn't take 1756 01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:30,270 it's not here yet. But I bet you it'll get here. Even though 1757 01:43:30,270 --> 01:43:33,150 apparently our people are doing a very good job of keeping 1758 01:43:33,540 --> 01:43:37,950 contaminated ham sandwiches out of the country. Now, we'll get 1759 01:43:37,950 --> 01:43:40,650 going learn a lot and catch up with this before it hits the 1760 01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:45,390 real news cycle by listening to this night 2015 lecture, which 1761 01:43:45,390 --> 01:43:50,190 really explains a lot about this horrible disease. And I have 1762 01:43:50,190 --> 01:43:56,100 some thoughts on why it went. Got to join in when passed 1763 01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:58,080 around so quickly. But let's listen to this. 1764 01:43:58,110 --> 01:44:01,380 Unknown: I wanted to emphasize why we do need to worry about 1765 01:44:01,380 --> 01:44:05,490 African swine fever virus in the Caribbean region. It is 1766 01:44:05,490 --> 01:44:10,110 spreading around the world as we speak at the moment in new 1767 01:44:10,110 --> 01:44:14,580 areas. It's already wreaked havoc in the Caribbean regions, 1768 01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:18,030 and our colleagues from certain Caribbean countries in the North 1769 01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:22,020 may remember this virus or when it decimated their pig 1770 01:44:22,020 --> 01:44:25,590 industries in the Caribbean. It's a really tough and 1771 01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:29,280 resistant virus. So when you get it, it's extremely difficult to 1772 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:33,060 get rid of. And in the Caribbean, we have many people 1773 01:44:33,060 --> 01:44:38,040 coming from Africa over to the Caribbean, and we've seen the 1774 01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:42,720 virus being transported in pig products. In Dare I say 1775 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:47,190 sandwiches in pork it sticks around and survives for very, 1776 01:44:47,190 --> 01:44:51,780 very long periods of times even in processed or salted or cured 1777 01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:57,000 meats. So it's a real risk to us. African swine fever virus is 1778 01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,330 very similar in a lot of ways to classical swine fever virus. And 1779 01:45:00,330 --> 01:45:03,030 you can't tell the difference, but there are there are subtle 1780 01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:07,140 differences. As with a classical swine fever virus, it's a 1781 01:45:07,140 --> 01:45:11,460 hemorrhagic fever. However, most of African swine fever viruses 1782 01:45:11,460 --> 01:45:15,660 out there cause a 100% mortality. We call it the Ebola 1783 01:45:15,660 --> 01:45:20,760 virus of pigs, because it disintegrates the inside of pigs 1784 01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:24,750 like Ebola does to the people that get it and they bleed out. 1785 01:45:25,410 --> 01:45:30,090 Isn't that has natural reservoir hosts? Especially in Africa, 1786 01:45:30,090 --> 01:45:34,560 what togs Bush pigs are the natural reservoirs hosts. And 1787 01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,770 here you can see a warthog here in Africa. But there's also soft 1788 01:45:37,770 --> 01:45:42,030 ticks or near the door as ticks. And we do have species of soft 1789 01:45:42,030 --> 01:45:45,600 ticks that are capable of transmitting African swine fever 1790 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,140 virus in the Caribbean region. Where is it at the moment, I'll 1791 01:45:49,140 --> 01:45:51,960 have another quick slide on this. But it's endemic in many 1792 01:45:52,050 --> 01:45:55,230 African countries. It's been endemic in Sardinia, a little 1793 01:45:55,230 --> 01:46:00,600 island in Europe for 35 years. The European Union has thrown 1794 01:46:00,630 --> 01:46:05,310 everything at it, and it can't get rid of it and Sardinia. But 1795 01:46:05,310 --> 01:46:08,940 really this is the this is the thing at the moment is it's now 1796 01:46:08,970 --> 01:46:12,720 in a large area, and I'll explain to you in Russia, and 1797 01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,800 it's in the European Union, and it's spreading. As I said, it's 1798 01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,250 invaded the Caribbean, our colleagues in Cuba, Haiti and 1799 01:46:20,250 --> 01:46:23,610 Dominican Republic will know about it. And critically, there 1800 01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:26,940 is no vaccine. So there is nothing you can do about it as 1801 01:46:26,940 --> 01:46:30,540 regards vaccination. That's what makes it so dangerous. Such a 1802 01:46:30,540 --> 01:46:34,350 nasty disease, potentially threatening the pig industries 1803 01:46:34,350 --> 01:46:38,340 around the world. I think it's the biggest veterinary threat. 1804 01:46:38,700 --> 01:46:41,490 At the moment. I would say that, that I think it's the biggest 1805 01:46:41,490 --> 01:46:45,270 veterinary threat to livestock industries around the world. You 1806 01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:48,330 don't know how many pigs there are in China. But if it goes to 1807 01:46:48,330 --> 01:46:51,600 China is going to be a dis global disaster. 1808 01:46:52,140 --> 01:46:53,820 Adam Curry: All right, I have a couple of questions before we 1809 01:46:53,820 --> 01:46:58,470 get your thoughts one. So this cannot, this does nothing to 1810 01:46:58,470 --> 01:47:02,520 humans. Yeah, it's only for pigs. It cannot morphs. There's 1811 01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,430 no example of that. It's just just kills pigs. 1812 01:47:05,970 --> 01:47:08,970 John C. Dvorak: Well, it's been around since the 1700s, when it 1813 01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:12,120 was first trek traced, and it has yet to go to humans. And it 1814 01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:15,360 seems unlikely that it will know but it will know the Chinese 1815 01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:16,920 practices you never know. 1816 01:47:17,130 --> 01:47:19,890 Adam Curry: Well, and so the next question is, you said it 1817 01:47:19,890 --> 01:47:23,400 can even be transmitted through a ham sandwich, which he just 1818 01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:28,260 said to Yeah. Do pigs eat ham sandwiches? Do they eat 1819 01:47:28,290 --> 01:47:32,730 themselves? Do they eat ham? Yeah. Okay. And can you get it 1820 01:47:32,730 --> 01:47:35,640 as a ham radio operator? That was the most important question. 1821 01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:41,730 Took a while to get all right. Well, this could also be 1822 01:47:42,030 --> 01:47:45,990 economic. I mean, what if this could be warfare, and pigs are 1823 01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:46,590 important, but 1824 01:47:46,590 --> 01:47:49,620 John C. Dvorak: I was thinking about this because there was 1825 01:47:49,650 --> 01:47:54,000 when I started researching this, for example, the whole pig 1826 01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:57,150 phenomenon eating pigs, at least in the West, not so much in 1827 01:47:57,150 --> 01:48:03,750 China stems from a another disease, which is called this is 1828 01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:07,290 kind of interesting, which was a horse which was a cattle disease 1829 01:48:07,290 --> 01:48:11,910 called the render pest. And render PES wiped out a lot of 1830 01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:18,240 the livestock. Beef it like it would just feed, sell it here. 1831 01:48:19,980 --> 01:48:23,190 Render pets, right wiped out a lot of the livestock a round, 1832 01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:29,040 like the years 1000 1200 And like that. And the kicker here 1833 01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:35,610 is the measles virus emerged from render passed as a zone as 1834 01:48:35,610 --> 01:48:40,470 a disease between 1011 100 ad, a period that may have been 1835 01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:44,610 preceded by limited outbreaks involving a virus not let, yet 1836 01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,540 fully acclimatized to humans. So this render pass like wiped out 1837 01:48:48,540 --> 01:48:53,610 the herds of cattle. And so they started using pigs and he 1838 01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:58,950 brought pigs and another years cows dead render pests in South 1839 01:48:58,950 --> 01:49:02,910 Africa in the late 1800s, that cows are getting wiped out by 1840 01:49:02,910 --> 01:49:05,280 this and it finally got a vaccination for it. It got 1841 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:10,800 eradicated around 2021 or something, it's fairly recent. 1842 01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:15,600 And then the pig thing started showing up. And so even this 1843 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:20,460 deadly render pass when it morphed to a human ailment it 1844 01:49:20,460 --> 01:49:24,750 was measles, it wasn't like something killing people. And I 1845 01:49:24,750 --> 01:49:27,090 thought that was a weird connection because now African 1846 01:49:27,090 --> 01:49:32,100 swine fever is in fact that reading this, if you read the 1847 01:49:32,670 --> 01:49:35,520 China calls, you hear China call, here's I got one article 1848 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:40,440 China calls 200,000 pigs, and then you read on another group 1849 01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:46,260 200 They have called millions of pigs, and they do it by burning 1850 01:49:46,260 --> 01:49:49,860 him alive and it's just a horrible situation. And so I was 1851 01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:54,600 thinking this is a it turns out that render pass was, was 1852 01:49:54,600 --> 01:50:02,760 actually run as a chemical, biological warfare idea in World 1853 01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,970 War One and World War Two. And so it's going to be it could 1854 01:50:05,970 --> 01:50:09,810 have been used as an agent, but they tend not to use these types 1855 01:50:09,810 --> 01:50:12,810 of things as a mechanism of war because it backfires and kills 1856 01:50:12,810 --> 01:50:13,860 all your things do. 1857 01:50:15,210 --> 01:50:19,410 Adam Curry: I haven't had last paragraph from an article from 1858 01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:22,350 Bloomberg about this, the epidemic could have political 1859 01:50:22,410 --> 01:50:26,670 repercussions as well. Zhi Jing ping may want to finalize trade 1860 01:50:26,670 --> 01:50:30,120 negotiations with the United States president to both ease 1861 01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:33,930 the importation of much needed pork, poultry and beef supplies, 1862 01:50:33,930 --> 01:50:37,410 and to enable Chinese lawmakers to focus solely on quelling 1863 01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:42,210 outbreaks. This is this, this is a big deal. And 1864 01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:45,030 John C. Dvorak: it's good cause a revolution in China, Chinese 1865 01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:50,400 cuisine is 50% dependent on pork, they make it one stat I 1866 01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:56,010 saw was that if every pork producer in the world sent all 1867 01:50:56,010 --> 01:51:01,230 their pork to China, it wouldn't feel the need to Chinese grow 1868 01:51:01,230 --> 01:51:06,210 that many pigs Wow. And so it's just a spit in the bucket to 1869 01:51:06,210 --> 01:51:09,630 send them pork and there is a as a tariff on and that they have 1870 01:51:09,630 --> 01:51:12,510 to reduce the tariff to get the pork and it could cause civil 1871 01:51:12,510 --> 01:51:14,760 unrest. And so the first thing you think of, well, maybe this 1872 01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:18,240 is like some sort of a scheme that, you know, a form of 1873 01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:22,320 warfare, which is not, I don't believe would be done because if 1874 01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,650 it was ever if it ever got out of danger, this stunt 1875 01:51:25,740 --> 01:51:28,560 Adam Curry: because what what, what would we do without bacon 1876 01:51:28,590 --> 01:51:30,000 America would freak out? 1877 01:51:30,810 --> 01:51:33,510 John C. Dvorak: Well, there's that distance that this disease 1878 01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:38,400 is gonna get here. And it is going to affect bacon. And so 1879 01:51:38,430 --> 01:51:42,180 but I'm thinking who would be who would benefit the most from 1880 01:51:42,180 --> 01:51:45,960 killing off all their having all the pigs die and, and ending the 1881 01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:55,620 whole pig business? PETA they don't care about the death of 1882 01:51:55,620 --> 01:52:01,500 these pigs. They don't want people eating meat, right? So if 1883 01:52:01,500 --> 01:52:04,140 you're floating around, and this stuff is available in a ham 1884 01:52:04,140 --> 01:52:08,730 sandwich, yes, you're tourists in China and you saw the pig 1885 01:52:08,730 --> 01:52:11,460 farms and you just throw a ham sandwich or you throw something 1886 01:52:11,460 --> 01:52:15,780 over the over the fence. Boom, that whole herd is wiped out. 1887 01:52:16,380 --> 01:52:19,530 Within Well, that would be rather than four days, by the 1888 01:52:19,530 --> 01:52:22,860 way, the pigs die in four days, once they get this disease, this 1889 01:52:22,860 --> 01:52:25,080 Adam Curry: stuff's got to morph over to humans, that would be so 1890 01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:25,530 cool. 1891 01:52:26,250 --> 01:52:27,660 John C. Dvorak: That wouldn't be cool. It would wipe out 1892 01:52:27,660 --> 01:52:31,050 everybody. Yeah. But I already would become a measles and it 1893 01:52:31,050 --> 01:52:33,390 wouldn't be that big of a deal. It's just not the kind of thing 1894 01:52:33,390 --> 01:52:37,950 that morphs over. So it's too been around too long. But it's 1895 01:52:37,950 --> 01:52:41,520 now out of control. And it's gonna wipe out we have to 1896 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:46,860 rethink our, our, our pigs, our pigs strategy. Pig stretch is 1897 01:52:46,860 --> 01:52:50,610 gonna be different. It's just like, I don't know, it's just as 1898 01:52:50,610 --> 01:52:53,580 the end of the pig. And it's the year of the pig who wins. 1899 01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,190 Adam Curry: In China, it is the the end of 1900 01:52:56,190 --> 01:53:03,780 the pig, the end of the end of the pig spit that isn't it's not 1901 01:53:03,780 --> 01:53:07,530 bad. I'm bad. Wow, thanks for the illumination on that. 1902 01:53:08,250 --> 01:53:12,390 John C. Dvorak: It's gonna become big news. Right now, you 1903 01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:15,030 know, then this is I gave the lecture or played the lecture 1904 01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:19,320 from 2015 i and it's not this has been stopped bubbling 1905 01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:23,100 underneath. There it is. It is real. And the news media is so 1906 01:53:23,100 --> 01:53:27,330 preoccupied with really raw bars from Muller. They're not telling 1907 01:53:27,330 --> 01:53:30,960 us anything like this. This is a horrible situation. It could 1908 01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:34,620 cause civil unrest in in China to an extreme it could cause the 1909 01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:37,230 collapse of the Chinese government. It could cause the 1910 01:53:37,230 --> 01:53:41,070 stock market to collapse. This has ramifications that are out 1911 01:53:41,070 --> 01:53:45,060 of control. And yet reports are sketchy. Mute. 1912 01:53:46,110 --> 01:53:49,020 Adam Curry: So we care about don't care about anything else. 1913 01:53:49,020 --> 01:53:50,910 Unknown: But Mueller. Yeah, Mueller. 1914 01:53:50,940 --> 01:53:54,120 Adam Curry: Oh, I do have interesting news. Do you recall 1915 01:53:54,120 --> 01:54:01,650 on the day that the back carbon tax was implemented in Canada, 1916 01:54:01,890 --> 01:54:05,490 for our friends, and we're sorry for their challenge the 1917 01:54:05,490 --> 01:54:10,530 Canadians that it was sold on the same day as Canada is 1918 01:54:10,530 --> 01:54:13,320 warming up twice as fast as the rest of the world. 1919 01:54:14,190 --> 01:54:17,550 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, I don't know how that works. And global 1920 01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:22,500 warming should be like, you know, it's not it's not like Ray 1921 01:54:22,500 --> 01:54:24,300 beam that's aimed at Canada. 1922 01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:27,180 Adam Curry: Well, one of our producers sent me a note and 1923 01:54:27,180 --> 01:54:34,230 said, Hey, have you ever done a search on Bing? Have you ever 1924 01:54:34,230 --> 01:54:38,040 been twice as fast as the rest of the world and removed Canada 1925 01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:44,010 from the results? So remember, the claim was, Canada is warming 1926 01:54:44,010 --> 01:54:48,900 up twice as fast as the rest of the world doing this search. And 1927 01:54:48,900 --> 01:54:51,390 these are all recent search search results. I shall read to 1928 01:54:51,390 --> 01:54:54,930 you some of the results. The Arctic is warming up twice as 1929 01:54:54,930 --> 01:54:58,410 fast as the rest of the world. Why Singapore is heating up 1930 01:54:58,410 --> 01:55:01,890 twice as fast as the rest of For the rest of the world, China's 1931 01:55:01,890 --> 01:55:05,640 heating up twice as fast as the rest of the world. Mountains are 1932 01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:10,230 warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. Are you 1933 01:55:10,230 --> 01:55:13,650 getting the you're getting it now people are understanding how 1934 01:55:13,650 --> 01:55:14,310 it works. 1935 01:55:16,199 --> 01:55:18,719 John C. Dvorak: It's unbelievable. Yeah, that's a 1936 01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:21,209 good one, by the way, I'll give you I'll give you a 10 on that. 1937 01:55:21,509 --> 01:55:25,769 Well, the I do have a that was watching a global warming 1938 01:55:25,799 --> 01:55:29,609 lecture. I don't have the guy's name doing it. But he had some 1939 01:55:29,819 --> 01:55:32,819 some Jim Hanson, the you know, the guy who's really behind the 1940 01:55:32,819 --> 01:55:37,289 whole global warming fear. He Jimmy Hansen. He's got a Jim 1941 01:55:37,289 --> 01:55:38,669 Hanson anecdote here. 1942 01:55:38,699 --> 01:55:41,489 Adam Curry: Jim Hanson. Not the guy from the Muppets. Jim 1943 01:55:41,489 --> 01:55:44,579 Hanson. That's Jim Henson. Oh, okay. Thank you got it. 1944 01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:47,700 John C. Dvorak: So let's hear what he has to say. 1945 01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:50,400 Unknown: This is Jim Hanson, that Jim Hanson. By the way, if 1946 01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:57,510 you go back in 1988, he was asked by a reporter, how do you 1947 01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:59,970 see things in 40 years and he says, Well, you see the highway 1948 01:55:59,970 --> 01:56:02,310 down here, the Western highway outside of his office, it's not 1949 01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:08,340 going to be there anymore. Based on a doubling of co2 from pre 1950 01:56:08,340 --> 01:56:14,460 industrial times, well, right now we've gone 25 years into 1951 01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:18,480 that 40 years, we've had one inch of sea level rise, there 1952 01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,870 are 10 feet to go for him to make his prediction. And it's 1953 01:56:21,870 --> 01:56:26,970 got to happen within the next 15 years. You take a look at the 1954 01:56:27,540 --> 01:56:34,800 assay. This is Jim Hanson slide. Where he decided realizing a sea 1955 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,380 level was not rising. He said it's really going to be 1956 01:56:37,380 --> 01:56:41,790 exponential. So by the mid century really isn't going to 1957 01:56:41,790 --> 01:56:44,070 rise at all, you won't even be alive here. Neither will lie. 1958 01:56:45,090 --> 01:56:48,690 And yet, we're gonna get four, four meters of righteousness is 1959 01:56:48,690 --> 01:56:54,690 meters, not feet, in the last 20 years of the century. Don't hold 1960 01:56:54,690 --> 01:56:55,680 your breath on just one either. 1961 01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:58,110 Adam Curry: How's the mud flats? 1962 01:56:59,490 --> 01:57:01,950 John C. Dvorak: As my flats, they're intact. There hasn't 1963 01:57:01,950 --> 01:57:05,010 been either dive in an inch of sea level rise as far as I can 1964 01:57:05,010 --> 01:57:09,240 tell. But yeah, no, it hands so handsome. So they what they do 1965 01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:12,900 is they change, you know, instead of having a linear graph 1966 01:57:12,900 --> 01:57:16,560 course, and make they put into some sort of geometric thing. So 1967 01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,270 it's yeah, it's not gonna rise right now. And then all of a 1968 01:57:18,270 --> 01:57:21,000 sudden, it's gonna go crazy is the old hockey stick. Right? 1969 01:57:21,150 --> 01:57:25,440 Adam Curry: I've been reading the Theodore Kaczynski, he's 1970 01:57:25,470 --> 01:57:30,510 anti tech revolution book, which I think was published in I want 1971 01:57:30,510 --> 01:57:37,260 to say 2015, I think. And he goes quite quite a bit into the 1972 01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,780 global warming thing, though. He's not a you know, he says, 1973 01:57:39,780 --> 01:57:44,790 Hi, biosphere, sure, warm, cool, etc. He says that this will all 1974 01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:47,970 lead to geoengineering. And this is a guy who has been in jail 1975 01:57:47,970 --> 01:57:52,470 for what 30 years to this all going to lead to geoengineering, 1976 01:57:52,500 --> 01:57:58,530 which in turn, will then cause the heat to be trapped, and all 1977 01:57:58,530 --> 01:58:06,210 the oceans will actually evaporate. And, yeah, and that's 1978 01:58:06,210 --> 01:58:09,060 not good. And the sick thing of geoengineering is when you 1979 01:58:09,060 --> 01:58:11,910 geoengineering you're blocking out sunlight, well, then your 1980 01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:15,960 solar panels also start to decrease in efficacy or 1981 01:58:15,960 --> 01:58:20,370 effectiveness. So it's not done with the book yet, somewhere in 1982 01:58:20,370 --> 01:58:23,040 the book, I expect him to tell me how I stopped this evil tech 1983 01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:26,700 revolution. And I can't wait to find out what I have to do and 1984 01:58:26,700 --> 01:58:27,870 who I have to recruit for it. 1985 01:58:29,190 --> 01:58:31,110 And I'm about to say, 1986 01:58:31,290 --> 01:58:34,140 John C. Dvorak: yes. Well, before we do, I do have some 1987 01:58:34,140 --> 01:58:35,100 funny stuff. Well, I 1988 01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:37,590 Adam Curry: was going to mention something that will take us into 1989 01:58:37,590 --> 01:58:42,720 it. Just understanding how we how we operate our business 1990 01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:46,230 where we ask you, how much is this show worth to you? Is it 1991 01:58:46,230 --> 01:58:49,890 valuable? That's our value for value model is very simple. You 1992 01:58:49,890 --> 01:58:54,450 produce it, you listen to it, you give us stuff. Did you like 1993 01:58:54,450 --> 01:58:58,530 it? Was it worth five bucks? 50 bucks? is the equivalent of 1994 01:58:58,530 --> 01:59:02,430 going out on the weekend? How much time did you spend? And the 1995 01:59:02,430 --> 01:59:04,920 reason why is we need to be completely independent for 1996 01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,060 everything. You can't discuss these topics. Even Why is pig 1997 01:59:09,060 --> 01:59:12,690 Ebola not discussed? Is it just because of Bob Muller Barr 1998 01:59:12,690 --> 01:59:16,170 Muller Trump? Is that on my bat? Is that is that the only reason? 1999 01:59:16,410 --> 01:59:18,750 Or are there other issues at hand? You don't know you can't 2000 01:59:18,750 --> 01:59:23,520 even ask them. And we have another one biting the dust as 2001 01:59:23,550 --> 01:59:27,480 well. It never really was an independent media outlet. It was 2002 01:59:27,540 --> 01:59:34,140 run by or really set up and pre financed by former MTV guru at 2003 01:59:34,140 --> 01:59:39,210 Tom Freston, whose great guy comes from the Afghanistan 2004 01:59:39,210 --> 01:59:43,650 import export business. Not kidding. So he said, advice 2005 01:59:43,650 --> 01:59:47,760 media. And, you know, we've always seen that this kind of an 2006 01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:51,090 advertising agency, a lot of people put a lot of stock into 2007 01:59:51,090 --> 01:59:55,230 what Vice media does, and they think they're very cool and 2008 01:59:55,320 --> 02:00:01,470 irreverent and great. But they ran out of money. And they did a 2009 02:00:01,470 --> 02:00:11,370 new debt financing deal, which was led by Come on. Soros yes in 2010 02:00:11,370 --> 02:00:20,220 one go exactly. Right. $250 million from a consortium led by 2011 02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:25,380 Soros. Wow. Yeah, they've laid off. They've laid off 250 2012 02:00:25,380 --> 02:00:28,590 employees about 10% of their staff, then just a few months 2013 02:00:28,590 --> 02:00:28,920 ago. 2014 02:00:29,490 --> 02:00:31,230 John C. Dvorak: Well, the funny thing is that you bring this up 2015 02:00:31,230 --> 02:00:36,030 because I do have a vice clip. Oh, okay. Now, I this was 2016 02:00:36,030 --> 02:00:38,040 something that stemmed out of Twitter. 2017 02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:40,110 Adam Curry: That's not funny. That's just how our beautiful 2018 02:00:40,110 --> 02:00:41,400 magic works sometimes. 2019 02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:45,900 John C. Dvorak: So So Carly, Louisiana's it sends me this 2020 02:00:45,900 --> 02:00:48,990 clip, cuz I was doing your backing for something with David 2021 02:00:48,990 --> 02:00:53,490 Icke. And there was this special on David Icke that Vice had 2022 02:00:53,490 --> 02:00:59,070 done, and it was just a slam him. And I watched and I said to 2023 02:00:59,070 --> 02:01:04,680 the note to her, I said, you notice the whipsaw? And she said 2024 02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,650 no. And she said, Okay, I said, I'm gonna play it on the show. 2025 02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:12,030 So this is the report that this whole thing was a kind of an 2026 02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:16,770 anti Ike documentary done by Vice, and it was done in a very 2027 02:01:16,770 --> 02:01:20,760 snide way and it goes into his history. And there's a whipsaw 2028 02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:24,600 right at the very beginning, which is just like, why you 2029 02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:27,930 Dwight is the point of doing this, but Okay, let's go 2030 02:01:27,990 --> 02:01:30,090 Unknown: after arthritis had ended a promising career in 2031 02:01:30,090 --> 02:01:32,880 football, he'd become a broadcaster. But that all ended 2032 02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,060 in one remarkable appearance on the Terry Wogan show, David pike 2033 02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:37,710 in a turquoise 2034 02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:44,700 Adam Curry: I'll let it play again. I just had to stop that. 2035 02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:48,600 That's their entire clip of him Ontario, Ontario Wogan show. 2036 02:01:49,170 --> 02:01:49,950 That's it? 2037 02:01:50,580 --> 02:01:53,520 John C. Dvorak: No, they play a long clip. But I don't know why 2038 02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:54,630 they did it that way. It's 2039 02:01:54,990 --> 02:01:57,180 Unknown: arthritis had ended a promising career in football, 2040 02:01:57,180 --> 02:02:00,390 he'd become a broadcaster. But that all ended in one remarkable 2041 02:02:00,390 --> 02:02:04,350 appearance on the Terry Wogan show, David pike. In a turquoise 2042 02:02:04,350 --> 02:02:07,290 tracksuit, he'd announced that he was the Son of God, and the 2043 02:02:07,290 --> 02:02:10,830 world will be ending that year. It didn't an egg seem destined 2044 02:02:10,830 --> 02:02:13,140 to disappear beneath a typhoon of public laughter. 2045 02:02:14,130 --> 02:02:17,370 It's quite it's quite funny, really. You know, 2000 years 2046 02:02:17,370 --> 02:02:21,630 ago, had a guy called Jesus sat here and said the same things 2047 02:02:21,630 --> 02:02:24,000 you would still be laughing. It's really, really funny that 2048 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,370 we've not really moved on that much. They're laughing at you. 2049 02:02:26,940 --> 02:02:27,840 They're not laughing with. 2050 02:02:31,530 --> 02:02:32,760 But like wouldn't disappear. 2051 02:02:33,090 --> 02:02:35,250 Adam Curry: You know, I've seen that interview. That's a total 2052 02:02:35,250 --> 02:02:39,180 mischaracterization of the interview that that he said the 2053 02:02:39,210 --> 02:02:41,400 world would end in a year and he compared 2054 02:02:42,090 --> 02:02:44,940 John C. Dvorak: the whipsaw. First of all, he claims that he 2055 02:02:44,940 --> 02:02:48,600 said he's the son of God, he doesn't doesn't he doesn't. He 2056 02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:52,440 says that if Jesus was sitting here instead of me instead of 2057 02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:56,130 me, not that I'm the son of God, he would have gotten the same 2058 02:02:56,130 --> 02:02:59,670 response, which meant probably would be true, but especially if 2059 02:02:59,670 --> 02:03:05,010 you watch the way the Family Guy portrays Jesus, and and then he 2060 02:03:05,010 --> 02:03:07,530 never says anything about the world is going to end this year. 2061 02:03:08,460 --> 02:03:13,530 And the clip clearly, and they play this clip, and I'm not 2062 02:03:13,530 --> 02:03:19,500 getting it. Why is what is the point? Well, mischaracterization 2063 02:03:19,500 --> 02:03:21,120 is It was outrageous to me. 2064 02:03:21,150 --> 02:03:24,180 Adam Curry: If you're vying for 250 million from George Soros 2065 02:03:24,180 --> 02:03:27,510 you know, you do the same this is just another version of D 2066 02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:33,060 platforming some crazy right wing Nazi Quadroon the 2067 02:03:33,060 --> 02:03:39,000 terrorists nationalist supremacist Bold Guy it's the 2068 02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:42,120 same it's all the same everyone's following the money 2069 02:03:42,330 --> 02:03:45,870 these systems like every ces just like us we're just here 2070 02:03:45,870 --> 02:03:49,740 surviving we don't I mean, we have our our network a network 2071 02:03:49,740 --> 02:03:53,640 of producers the people who participate in our program and 2072 02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:57,270 we're just out for survival vices out for survival Twitter's 2073 02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:59,820 Facebook throw out for survival and give a shout out think 2074 02:03:59,820 --> 02:04:04,140 Twitter Facebook don't give a crap about anything but 2075 02:04:04,140 --> 02:04:07,710 surviving because that's what the organisms do. That's what 2076 02:04:07,710 --> 02:04:11,490 the self propagating that's what all propagating systems do just 2077 02:04:11,490 --> 02:04:14,760 survival mode we may even be seeking way too much meaning 2078 02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:18,420 behind it but in this case the survival Yeah, virtue signal 2079 02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:22,650 make everyone with a different comments Soros is a fuckin alien 2080 02:04:22,650 --> 02:04:25,680 and reptile at minimum. So you got to discredit the guy who's 2081 02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:26,610 calling him out. 2082 02:04:30,330 --> 02:04:33,480 John C. Dvorak: Reptile ratio looks like one 2083 02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:37,020 Unknown: I'm gonna show my school by donating to no agenda 2084 02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:40,200 Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fun 2085 02:04:47,610 --> 02:04:49,830 John C. Dvorak: we do have a few people think few people to thank 2086 02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:56,520 for loving 35 Starting with Matthew Cole para Cohn I guess 2087 02:04:56,670 --> 02:04:57,090 Paris 2088 02:04:57,120 --> 02:04:58,980 Adam Curry: Paris Coney, actually he says please give me 2089 02:04:58,980 --> 02:05:02,100 jobs karma to go Oh from contractor to full time and also 2090 02:05:02,100 --> 02:05:05,070 marriage karma from my July 4 wedding we'll put that at the 2091 02:05:05,070 --> 02:05:06,600 end of the segment fo sho 2092 02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:10,350 John C. Dvorak: 12345 Sir Donald of the fire bottles of icon of 2093 02:05:10,350 --> 02:05:13,050 Eastern Washington came in with one of his notes and he's I 2094 02:05:13,050 --> 02:05:17,430 don't know if he's if he's squandering the letterhead from 2095 02:05:17,430 --> 02:05:20,040 the United Federation of Planets but he All he says is please 2096 02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:22,980 find enclosed the monthly rent payment for my place of sanity. 2097 02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:24,330 Cheers. All right. Thank 2098 02:05:24,330 --> 02:05:25,230 Adam Curry: you. Gracias 2099 02:05:26,340 --> 02:05:33,810 John C. Dvorak: needed to be on letterhead. Joe Salish shower. 2100 02:05:34,290 --> 02:05:38,220 What do you think? Joe Salah shower. Albert 2101 02:05:38,610 --> 02:05:41,430 Adam Curry: was salam Salam Chu our Salah shower. Yeah, 2102 02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:43,020 something like that. Sal the shower? Yes. 2103 02:05:43,260 --> 02:05:46,320 John C. Dvorak: Is the night and training $121 Sure veto the 2104 02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:50,640 mountain whop one one 1.73. 2105 02:05:52,110 --> 02:05:55,560 Adam Curry: Wait, this is an early wedding donation for Adam 2106 02:05:55,560 --> 02:06:01,680 and Tina. In bocca al lupo says something I should I should 2107 02:06:01,680 --> 02:06:03,300 understand a V 2108 02:06:03,300 --> 02:06:06,360 John C. Dvorak: put into a Spanish translator maybe. Okay. 2109 02:06:08,010 --> 02:06:15,540 Onward with a show Walter $111. Send a long note. worked in 2110 02:06:15,540 --> 02:06:18,180 government medical research once you take a look at that when I 2111 02:06:18,180 --> 02:06:21,240 go on and see what she's got to say about something. Probably 2112 02:06:21,240 --> 02:06:27,030 measles. No one should have kids all I see on there. Peter new 2113 02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:36,030 collage or new collage $111.11 ITM burrows nonnamous 100 David 2114 02:06:36,030 --> 02:06:44,070 K. 100 Bruce Wilkie 100 John Robin a 100. Also there's a 2115 02:06:44,070 --> 02:06:47,970 noted from Wilkie. I'll read later, Sir Charles of Wyoming in 2116 02:06:47,970 --> 02:06:58,380 Mesa Arizona. Sorry, I find it funny. Seven v 7370. Sorry. Hey, 2117 02:06:58,380 --> 02:07:00,360 we lost sir a green of hams. 2118 02:07:00,570 --> 02:07:02,130 Adam Curry: What do you mean we lost them and you go overboard. 2119 02:07:02,130 --> 02:07:02,160 I 2120 02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:04,890 John C. Dvorak: have not seen a note he sent us out of a check 2121 02:07:04,890 --> 02:07:08,310 that was sent automatically for months and months and years and 2122 02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:11,310 years. And then about four or five months ago. It stopped 2123 02:07:11,310 --> 02:07:11,700 well, 2124 02:07:11,730 --> 02:07:14,430 Adam Curry: maybe maybe he had to save his money. 2125 02:07:15,510 --> 02:07:18,360 John C. Dvorak: David C pew and Massillon, Ohio is not the case 2126 02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:24,450 with him. 6969 Chris Baylor 6789 from Grafton, Wisconsin. Adam 2127 02:07:24,450 --> 02:07:29,760 wood in London. UK 5678 he does 2128 02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:32,070 Adam Curry: he does need to douching I believe I've been a 2129 02:07:32,070 --> 02:07:35,730 douche for quiet long and for quite long enough for 2130 02:07:35,730 --> 02:07:39,360 approximately a year Mike. compensation program begins 2131 02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:45,750 today. You've been de deuced no one should have to wade through 2132 02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:49,860 as much M five M cobblers as both you do without some value 2133 02:07:49,860 --> 02:07:52,170 coming your way. Thank you. That's exactly right. 2134 02:07:52,650 --> 02:07:58,470 John C. Dvorak: SpaceForce named Jean is no douche is 5611 Anna 2135 02:07:58,920 --> 02:08:03,900 Mercuri of in St. Louis, Missouri. 5555 Pete Federici 2136 02:08:03,900 --> 02:08:14,760 5555 Brandon Turner Velez 5555 and Aaron groan 5519 And this is 2137 02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:19,530 the 5519 was the 55 cent go to mile donation for today. So I'm 2138 02:08:19,530 --> 02:08:23,430 going to read the 5519 donations which helped us quite a bit. 2139 02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:33,150 name and location Jacob ponen. Beth Bradshaw, sir latte Lord of 2140 02:08:33,150 --> 02:08:38,760 the brim willows in Bremerton, Washington. John Fosco. Sir John 2141 02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:42,570 fosse got to leave micro Foucault. If you go if you go to 2142 02:08:42,570 --> 02:08:47,370 go to go now there is a first go into to this is not him. Sorry. 2143 02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:52,230 Just sun in my eyes. Michel Ballard in Dallas Town 2144 02:08:52,230 --> 02:08:57,930 Pennsylvania. Michael Winget. Do dude named Ben in southwest 2145 02:08:57,930 --> 02:08:58,650 Kansas. 2146 02:08:58,980 --> 02:09:02,640 Adam Curry: Oh, my Michel Ballard. From Dallas Town never 2147 02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,880 got a D douching. First first donation. Let's do it. 2148 02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:09,060 Unknown: You've been deed dude. 2149 02:09:11,940 --> 02:09:14,730 John C. Dvorak: All right. We got Mike covered. Michael Meili. 2150 02:09:15,150 --> 02:09:22,830 Dennis Adams. In Odom in weed. My favorite town names. Weed, 2151 02:09:22,860 --> 02:09:28,830 California, Morgan neck. Evan Gable, sir daddy cast of the 2152 02:09:28,830 --> 02:09:36,780 Love House. Joseph Finley Mary beam in Hagerstown, Robert 2153 02:09:36,810 --> 02:09:43,650 newbie, but it's new by and EWB why? Alexander Smith, Robert 2154 02:09:43,710 --> 02:09:49,890 Siegel Victor Greg. Anthony Rodriguez, Tucson. Some guy in 2155 02:09:49,890 --> 02:09:55,710 Phoenix. And he's in Phoenix, Bill Johnson. Kailyn. Nice 2156 02:09:55,710 --> 02:10:02,310 store, sir upper Decker. is Cassidy Stewart in Oklahoma 2157 02:10:02,310 --> 02:10:09,660 City, Scott Wald her are here. Jason Doolin Richard Hufford, 2158 02:10:09,870 --> 02:10:18,510 Gregory Malaya Sir Richard Chow, sir woody of the falls. de voz 2159 02:10:18,690 --> 02:10:21,870 bozi bow wave gi YZ 2160 02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:25,530 Unknown: de bois Z. E. Boise from Israel. 2161 02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:29,760 John C. Dvorak: Yes, Alexander Sol's Berg that's Baron 2162 02:10:29,790 --> 02:10:32,640 Adam Curry: Baron ghee by the way, Baron yeah of the 2163 02:10:34,290 --> 02:10:35,490 John C. Dvorak: disputed promise 2164 02:10:35,670 --> 02:10:38,970 Adam Curry: I heard him for a while. He's an old timer man 2165 02:10:38,970 --> 02:10:39,720 he's been around 2166 02:10:40,770 --> 02:10:44,460 John C. Dvorak: he's back. And James mores are last on the list 2167 02:10:44,460 --> 02:10:46,950 and then from there we get to thank all of them for the for 2168 02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:50,460 the celebration donation of 5519, which celebrates both the 2169 02:10:51,690 --> 02:10:54,120 Theodorus birthday a lot of other birthdays, apparently and 2170 02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:58,380 also Cinco de Mayo and if you go to the wiki page, which I linked 2171 02:10:58,380 --> 02:11:01,320 to in the newsletter, take a look at the stuff that goes on 2172 02:11:01,320 --> 02:11:05,670 on the fifth of May. Anyway, Brian moss comes in with 5510 2173 02:11:05,670 --> 02:11:09,960 Double nickels on the dime day. David, a white chick in Fort 2174 02:11:09,960 --> 02:11:15,150 Myers, Florida came in and he does have he bet he should be he 2175 02:11:15,150 --> 02:11:17,130 says Does he listed on the nights 2176 02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,090 Adam Curry: No, I think he may be is there a title change in 2177 02:11:21,090 --> 02:11:23,730 order for him Let me check. No, no 2178 02:11:23,730 --> 02:11:24,660 John C. Dvorak: he's a night 2179 02:11:27,960 --> 02:11:30,990 Adam Curry: No, he's there was no night night things that all 2180 02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:35,910 John C. Dvorak: well if if Eric's doing a search on night, 2181 02:11:36,450 --> 02:11:37,680 this was a misspell 2182 02:11:37,830 --> 02:11:41,310 Adam Curry: Ah, yes, I see. Okay, so Dan will check let me 2183 02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:44,220 we can add him right now. There's no problem. Hey, guys, 2184 02:11:44,250 --> 02:11:47,250 get the roundtable ready. We Yeah, we have a knighting 2185 02:11:48,450 --> 02:11:52,170 John C. Dvorak: Okay, and he wants to be sir Dan of the J 2186 02:11:52,170 --> 02:11:52,950 W's. 2187 02:11:54,180 --> 02:11:58,500 Adam Curry: Okay, Knights and 2188 02:12:00,120 --> 02:12:02,400 John C. Dvorak: Evernight spelt with a K people just 2189 02:12:03,210 --> 02:12:07,890 Adam Curry: and he wants to hold on a second. Sir. Dan of the JW 2190 02:12:08,820 --> 02:12:11,430 Yeah. Does he have anything for the roundtrip that'd be used? 2191 02:12:11,970 --> 02:12:17,280 The Jay Jay Jay W's. And does he have anything for the roundtable 2192 02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:18,300 he wants at the table 2193 02:12:18,630 --> 02:12:21,030 John C. Dvorak: is pronounced white check. 2194 02:12:21,930 --> 02:12:24,180 Adam Curry: White check. Got it. Yeah. 2195 02:12:24,570 --> 02:12:27,660 Okay. Well, thank you very much. And when? Welcome Dan, are we 2196 02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:30,600 bringing the table in as we speak at a workout? No problem. 2197 02:12:31,500 --> 02:12:34,680 John C. Dvorak: John Lopez, Scott fuller. Both these are 2198 02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:36,780 both certified double nickels on a dime. I don't know why this 2199 02:12:36,780 --> 02:12:41,220 became so popular today. Scott Fuller and coming Georgia and 2200 02:12:41,220 --> 02:12:46,620 Sir Tom dari in DeForest, Wisconsin, all with 5510 than a 2201 02:12:46,620 --> 02:12:49,320 55 bucks or Dan the man protector of the Cape Coral and 2202 02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:52,410 the islands of Sanibel and Captiva and Cape Coral, Florida. 2203 02:12:52,830 --> 02:12:56,730 Got a birthday coming up for his daughter. Yeah, he gets 2204 02:12:56,730 --> 02:13:00,540 requested some he needs some more karma I think. Eric bird 2205 02:13:00,540 --> 02:13:06,030 5490 We'll put that at the end. Eric bird 5419 Anthony fields 2206 02:13:06,030 --> 02:13:10,860 5419. There's some symbolism there. Michael gates 5280, Eric 2207 02:13:10,860 --> 02:13:16,470 Hoko and mole rose Deutschland of 32. And then we're back to 2208 02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:20,490 Ric art. We're back to our Unicode issues with his name. 2209 02:13:21,630 --> 02:13:28,980 Eric Butler in level in Texas, Tom Van Van Laurie Laurie and 2210 02:13:28,980 --> 02:13:33,510 Hasselt Belgium. Fun Lara? Fun louder 2211 02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:38,160 Adam Curry: and hot wife Isabelle says right there. 2212 02:13:39,059 --> 02:13:39,899 John C. Dvorak: issue that 2213 02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:44,610 Adam Curry: I need your help with baby girl karma. gender 2214 02:13:44,610 --> 02:13:48,660 selection is not allowed in most European countries. We can we 2215 02:13:48,660 --> 02:13:53,220 can go to Cyprus and pay something like 10,000 euros I 2216 02:13:53,220 --> 02:13:57,390 guess. But I decided to donate to no agenda instead. Well, you 2217 02:13:57,390 --> 02:14:03,990 got a quite a deal. Yeah. Let's give him baby girl Carmen. Make 2218 02:14:03,990 --> 02:14:08,490 it a girl. You've got karma. All right. Let us know how that 2219 02:14:08,490 --> 02:14:08,910 went. 2220 02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:15,420 John C. Dvorak: John, oh, Kelly 15. These are $50 donors name 2221 02:14:15,420 --> 02:14:18,660 and location. John Kelley. Matthew. Jana Zhu ski in 2222 02:14:18,660 --> 02:14:25,980 Chicago. Paul van Vaughn corte lar In I moved in a mountain, a 2223 02:14:25,980 --> 02:14:31,710 mountain Villa rial Villa rial in Mercedes Texas. Todd Moore in 2224 02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:38,190 Arlington Scott e night and lost wages in Nevada. Arthur cloak 2225 02:14:38,190 --> 02:14:40,170 hide cloak it to cloak IDs, 2226 02:14:40,260 --> 02:14:43,770 Unknown: cloak cloak Eid cloak Eid cloaky. 2227 02:14:43,890 --> 02:14:48,270 John C. Dvorak: Okay, Victorville California Jason 2228 02:14:48,330 --> 02:14:52,710 dysert. Jason I think is sore now by now sir j should be Jason 2229 02:14:52,710 --> 02:14:55,740 deluzy on Chester, Pennsylvania sir Brett Farrell in Oklahoma 2230 02:14:55,740 --> 02:14:58,680 City, Oklahoma want to thank all these people for producing show 2231 02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:02,490 and help He knows to get show 1135 out the door 2232 02:15:02,550 --> 02:15:08,460 Adam Curry: yes and you matter you do Eric Byrd who came in at 2233 02:15:08,460 --> 02:15:12,270 254 19 also said big thanks and karma go to surge GQ for 2234 02:15:12,270 --> 02:15:15,060 organizing the Baltimore meet up May the Fourth be with you I 2235 02:15:15,060 --> 02:15:19,170 guess that was yesterday. And then was one other thing I 2236 02:15:19,170 --> 02:15:24,900 caught here yes Dame Gina says Happy eighth anniversary to Sir 2237 02:15:24,900 --> 02:15:28,020 Gator of the North Texas swamps the family that listens to no 2238 02:15:28,020 --> 02:15:31,530 agenda together does indeed stay together. Thank you for your 2239 02:15:31,530 --> 02:15:34,890 courage Dame Gina and thank you all for supporting your best 2240 02:15:34,890 --> 02:15:38,460 podcast in the universe. If you didn't this time, you can always 2241 02:15:38,460 --> 02:15:44,160 consider Thursday because we'll be back here go to vora.org/and 2242 02:15:44,220 --> 02:15:45,570 A Tom's calm has to hand 2243 02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:50,700 Unknown: jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. 2244 02:15:53,370 --> 02:16:03,870 You've got karma Yeah, it's a brand new month 2245 02:16:03,870 --> 02:16:06,120 Adam Curry: it is the month of May and the fifth is the day 2246 02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:09,540 Cinco Demayo Happy Birthday to Jim Watts he celebrated today. 2247 02:16:10,110 --> 02:16:13,260 Peter neutralised says Happy birthday it was son Logan who 2248 02:16:13,260 --> 02:16:17,640 was turning 11 Sir Dan the man his awesome daughter turns 24 2249 02:16:18,090 --> 02:16:22,260 Tomorrow sir Greg Birch How you doing up there Mr. DDS also 2250 02:16:22,260 --> 02:16:25,740 celebrating his birthday tomorrow. And grandpa John says 2251 02:16:25,740 --> 02:16:29,760 Happy Birthday to Thea adorable he turns two years old today and 2252 02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:32,670 they never had a fight. Happy birthday from everybody here the 2253 02:16:32,670 --> 02:16:45,870 best podcast in the universe you don't want to be a douchebag we 2254 02:16:45,870 --> 02:16:50,910 got two title changes Sir Victor of Albania becomes bear hat of 2255 02:16:50,910 --> 02:16:54,180 the Talladega ridge and Ser F's or Fahrenheit becomes the 2256 02:16:54,180 --> 02:16:58,590 cognitive dissident Baronet of the baritone saxophone and thank 2257 02:16:58,590 --> 02:17:03,540 you for your renewed status in our peerage letter. And that is 2258 02:17:03,570 --> 02:17:07,680 of course because they up their donations up to another $1,000 2259 02:17:07,680 --> 02:17:13,290 cannot be thankful enough. See, oh, then we have our knighting 2260 02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:16,200 well before the still getting the table done. I do want to 2261 02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:20,070 mention the meetups. We have now in the shownotes handy links to 2262 02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:24,570 no agenda meetups.com For each of these the 18th of May 2263 02:17:24,570 --> 02:17:28,890 Cincinnati, Ohio may 25. Eastern North Carolina the 25th as well 2264 02:17:28,890 --> 02:17:33,960 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, June 6 The second Seattle Washington 2265 02:17:33,960 --> 02:17:37,530 meetup or maybe the third by now and June 8 Oklahoma City make 2266 02:17:37,530 --> 02:17:41,370 sure you tweet out pictures of everybody. And John do you have 2267 02:17:41,370 --> 02:17:45,390 the high res versions of our heads for sticks? Or does 2268 02:17:45,390 --> 02:17:47,400 someone have that because I'm getting requests and I don't 2269 02:17:47,400 --> 02:17:52,200 have it? Who has the high res stick heads? We have the 2270 02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:53,700 John C. Dvorak: one called stick heads 2271 02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:57,780 Adam Curry: what do you call them them? Bless you Yeah, yeah 2272 02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:03,540 no idea. We need a resource for this bless you okay just what's 2273 02:18:03,540 --> 02:18:03,960 going on? 2274 02:18:03,960 --> 02:18:05,850 John C. Dvorak: Oh the stick kid thing got me sneezing 2275 02:18:05,880 --> 02:18:08,070 Adam Curry: What can you see grab your blade then for a sec? 2276 02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:13,200 Yeah, here it is. Hey, God, why'd you step on an app I'm 2277 02:18:13,440 --> 02:18:17,910 glad we caught that sir. through to the misspelling but there you 2278 02:18:17,910 --> 02:18:21,480 go. Thanks for your support of the no agenda podcast you might 2279 02:18:21,480 --> 02:18:24,600 have $1,000 or more you have reached the roundtable the no 2280 02:18:24,600 --> 02:18:27,360 agenda Knights and Dames I'm here by very proud to pronounce 2281 02:18:27,360 --> 02:18:32,070 the K the sedan of the J who is for you, my friend. We've got 2282 02:18:32,250 --> 02:18:35,640 hookers and blow rent boys and Chardonnay. We have the cookies 2283 02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:39,210 and vodka zucchini and meatloaf, pug and boy brisket and barrel 2284 02:18:39,210 --> 02:18:42,720 aged copper ale goat chops and goat milk, beer and blondes 2285 02:18:42,720 --> 02:18:45,210 Reuben Esselman. And Rosae, geishas and sock a buck and 2286 02:18:45,210 --> 02:18:47,700 vanilla Hawkinson. Berman, sparkling cider Ness scores 2287 02:18:47,700 --> 02:18:50,850 ginger ale and Jerboas breast milk and pablum, cowgirls and 2288 02:18:50,850 --> 02:18:55,500 coffin varnish and mutton in Mead. It's everybody's favorite. 2289 02:18:55,500 --> 02:18:58,380 So you are good sir can head over to no agenda 2290 02:18:58,380 --> 02:19:03,450 nation.com/rings And Eric, the show will take off. Take all of 2291 02:19:03,450 --> 02:19:06,000 your information and get you your ring and your sealing wax 2292 02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,010 and their certificate and everything you need to join the 2293 02:19:08,010 --> 02:19:11,370 roundtable officially. And of course, we thank you very much 2294 02:19:11,370 --> 02:19:15,120 for your courage. Gracias 2295 02:19:18,450 --> 02:19:21,210 John C. Dvorak: a well I got a little ditty here. That's good. 2296 02:19:21,270 --> 02:19:24,990 All right. This is a compilation somebody made from one single 2297 02:19:24,990 --> 02:19:30,960 speech of Joe Biden. And just little snippets from his speech, 2298 02:19:31,290 --> 02:19:35,310 and it's a drunk no drunk thing oh, by the jingle if you wanted 2299 02:19:35,310 --> 02:19:37,860 to play this, but it's pretty obvious to me the answer. 2300 02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:41,700 Adam Curry: Let me see we have the jingle for the 2301 02:19:46,860 --> 02:19:49,500 Unknown: rich Fitzgerald account executive of Allegheny County 2302 02:19:49,500 --> 02:19:52,680 Executive being here in all my time in public life for the 2303 02:19:52,680 --> 02:19:56,340 stuff gotten involved. The country wasn't built by Wall 2304 02:19:56,340 --> 02:20:01,020 Street bankers, CEOs and and hedge fund managers. At the data 2305 02:20:01,020 --> 02:20:04,890 price, it's hard times everybody took a hit. union workers, the 2306 02:20:04,890 --> 02:20:10,410 UAW took incredible cuts in the future, the pensions in the lead 2307 02:20:10,500 --> 02:20:15,210 to get GM workers. They also got that last year, and try to cut 2308 02:20:15,210 --> 02:20:18,570 wages or freeze wages for the people. Right? Today. The same 2309 02:20:18,570 --> 02:20:21,480 is happening in big hospitals, big hospital systems, I have 2310 02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:25,860 regret to rethink how we define what constitutes a successful 2311 02:20:25,860 --> 02:20:28,410 economy. Folks in America don't think your children are gonna 2312 02:20:28,410 --> 02:20:31,710 have the same standard of living they had. How can a person 2313 02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:36,870 dignity be maintained, be why they do that. It means investing 2314 02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:39,780 much more in medical research, to comfort to conquer 2315 02:20:39,780 --> 02:20:43,110 devastating diseases like cancer and addiction and Alzheimer's. 2316 02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:46,410 So God bless you all and may God protect our troops 2317 02:20:53,130 --> 02:20:55,440 Adam Curry: if you think that's drunk or is just old slurry, 2318 02:20:55,440 --> 02:20:55,950 man. 2319 02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:59,940 John C. Dvorak: I mean, it does have junk. Not that slurry. 2320 02:20:59,940 --> 02:21:02,760 Normally, I you know, he goes to these things. He's out of town. 2321 02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:06,630 A he's one of those guys that Jake, let's go out to lunch. You 2322 02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:08,520 want a low low wine, Joe? 2323 02:21:09,029 --> 02:21:10,499 Adam Curry: I really think he's hammered, huh? 2324 02:21:11,490 --> 02:21:13,530 John C. Dvorak: Well, maybe he's not if he's not hammered that 2325 02:21:13,530 --> 02:21:14,550 he's really shot. I 2326 02:21:14,550 --> 02:21:17,070 Adam Curry: was rather tickled about that China comments he 2327 02:21:17,070 --> 02:21:20,850 made that we played on the last show. Yeah, I saw drunk there 2328 02:21:20,850 --> 02:21:26,460 too. Well, the reason why I was tickled by it is that he said, 2329 02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:29,250 Hey, come on, guys. You have to worry about China, yet 2330 02:21:29,250 --> 02:21:34,320 forgetting that he and his sons or that his son set up a huge 2331 02:21:34,320 --> 02:21:40,050 hedge fund with a billion dollars of Chinese money. A week 2332 02:21:40,050 --> 02:21:43,020 after he and his son returned from a trip to China. 2333 02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:45,960 John C. Dvorak: Yeah, so yeah, it needs to be noted. 2334 02:21:45,960 --> 02:21:49,110 Adam Curry: Well, thank you. That's the only saying it needs 2335 02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:52,470 to be noted. Wouldn't that be something that needs to be 2336 02:21:52,470 --> 02:21:53,280 noted? 2337 02:21:54,360 --> 02:21:57,750 John C. Dvorak: And they will note it now. I did. I thought I 2338 02:21:57,750 --> 02:22:00,870 had an ISO from this, which I listened to later because I 2339 02:22:00,870 --> 02:22:02,550 thought it would be nice at the end of the show because of the 2340 02:22:02,550 --> 02:22:05,820 one that that kind of reflected the show but then I listened to 2341 02:22:05,820 --> 02:22:07,890 this it was terrible use play it be 2342 02:22:08,460 --> 02:22:09,600 Unknown: why they do that. 2343 02:22:11,970 --> 02:22:15,060 John C. Dvorak: Then I decided to just take an ISO from a clip 2344 02:22:15,060 --> 02:22:18,450 I can't play on the show and I want people to just go look this 2345 02:22:18,450 --> 02:22:23,160 up. And you would search for it and on YouTube under dead 2346 02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:25,560 raccoon in McDonald's. 2347 02:22:25,980 --> 02:22:27,270 Adam Curry: Right. Can't we play that? 2348 02:22:28,500 --> 02:22:33,570 John C. Dvorak: It is nothing but cussing. Okay. We could but 2349 02:22:33,570 --> 02:22:38,190 I took an it's all just cussing it but it's hilarious because of 2350 02:22:38,190 --> 02:22:43,560 this dead raccoon. Now you should look it up to but so by 2351 02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:46,890 did pull one thing out of it, which might be a nice ISO which 2352 02:22:46,890 --> 02:22:50,370 is only in San Francisco. Okay. 2353 02:22:51,090 --> 02:22:54,090 Adam Curry: San Francisco. Oh, that's good. That's a beautiful 2354 02:22:54,090 --> 02:22:56,310 ISO done. End of show. Perfect. 2355 02:22:56,310 --> 02:22:59,850 John C. Dvorak: Nice of Yes. He's talking about the dead 2356 02:22:59,850 --> 02:23:02,250 raccoon only in San Francisco. I can't wait 2357 02:23:02,250 --> 02:23:04,770 Adam Curry: for this. Can you give me his Can you give us a 2358 02:23:04,770 --> 02:23:07,230 summary of what happened? Yeah, you're holding out a 2359 02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:11,700 John C. Dvorak: white guy. And it also changes the usage of the 2360 02:23:11,730 --> 02:23:18,180 N word to refer to white bums. Some white homeless guy brought 2361 02:23:18,180 --> 02:23:22,200 a dead raccoon that was stiff and had rigor mortis and puts it 2362 02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:26,220 on the table in a McDonald's. And so this guy starts filming 2363 02:23:26,220 --> 02:23:29,340 it. And it's like the guy the white guy is like, I don't know 2364 02:23:29,340 --> 02:23:32,760 what his problem is. But this guy just starts raving about 2365 02:23:32,760 --> 02:23:37,740 this idiot bringing this this rabid raccoon into the into the 2366 02:23:37,740 --> 02:23:40,050 McDonald's plays and then yelling at the McDonald's 2367 02:23:40,050 --> 02:23:45,030 employees. It's just a very, it's a classic YouTube video. 2368 02:23:45,060 --> 02:23:47,490 Okay, dead raccoon and McDonald's. 2369 02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:51,240 Adam Curry: riveted now I can't wait. I want to end the show 2370 02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:52,770 early just so I can get to it. 2371 02:23:53,099 --> 02:23:56,249 John C. Dvorak: Now I have one other medley of stuff. But this 2372 02:23:56,249 --> 02:23:59,729 is a distance from the Free Beacon. And this is Maxine 2373 02:23:59,729 --> 02:24:04,799 Waters. That they stitched together all her rants about 2374 02:24:04,799 --> 02:24:08,159 impeachment and the Muller and all the rest of it. I thought it 2375 02:24:08,159 --> 02:24:09,029 was worth playing 2376 02:24:09,060 --> 02:24:12,390 Unknown: here. You have a president who I can tell you and 2377 02:24:12,390 --> 02:24:15,540 guarantee you is in collusion with the Russians. I say that he 2378 02:24:15,540 --> 02:24:18,390 was in collusion with Putin. I believe that there really has 2379 02:24:18,390 --> 02:24:22,350 been collusion I say that he was in collusion with the Kremlin I 2380 02:24:22,350 --> 02:24:27,060 am so depending on our special counsel, Robert Muller to 2381 02:24:27,060 --> 02:24:30,360 connect the dots to connect those dots connect the dots dot 2382 02:24:30,390 --> 02:24:35,880 dot dot dot dots that dots the dots are connected. The dots are 2383 02:24:35,880 --> 02:24:38,550 getting closer. If there was collusion, we'll get to 2384 02:24:38,550 --> 02:24:41,940 collusion they have my hopes are Moeller as most people do, I 2385 02:24:41,940 --> 02:24:45,120 think is going to be proven that if Muller does his job, I 2386 02:24:45,150 --> 02:24:47,880 believe that was collusion and collusion will lead to 2387 02:24:47,880 --> 02:24:50,610 impeachment. This is gonna lead right to impeachment, and he 2388 02:24:50,610 --> 02:24:53,910 ought to be impeached. So I believe it is possible to 2389 02:24:53,910 --> 02:24:56,970 impeach him but we need to impeach him. How long is it 2390 02:24:56,970 --> 02:25:01,200 gonna take? I don't know but I give it to about December. We've 2391 02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:04,950 got to get the facts. We've got to do the investigation. That is 2392 02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:08,040 what leads to impeachment. I think it will lead to the 2393 02:25:08,040 --> 02:25:11,670 impeachment of this President and we've got a Millennials stay 2394 02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:14,730 well, she does good stuff, doesn't 2395 02:25:14,730 --> 02:25:16,920 Adam Curry: she? Now that she's got it, 2396 02:25:17,579 --> 02:25:19,349 John C. Dvorak: but she shouldn't be given any airtime. 2397 02:25:19,349 --> 02:25:20,339 She's insane. 2398 02:25:21,060 --> 02:25:23,490 Adam Curry: I want to do the economic stuff at the very end 2399 02:25:23,490 --> 02:25:25,260 here. And we've got a few minutes. 2400 02:25:25,679 --> 02:25:28,469 John C. Dvorak: Well, I do have my Brexit clip that I keep 2401 02:25:28,469 --> 02:25:30,869 promising and I want to play it so we can be thinking about it 2402 02:25:30,869 --> 02:25:32,459 for the next show. Okay, 2403 02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:33,450 Adam Curry: let's do that now. 2404 02:25:34,019 --> 02:25:37,139 John C. Dvorak: Want to do it now? Yeah. Okay, this, I found a 2405 02:25:37,139 --> 02:25:43,319 new strategy that I believe is being used, or is going to be 2406 02:25:43,319 --> 02:25:45,779 used, they're going to try to use it and it was and they 2407 02:25:45,779 --> 02:25:51,479 tested it, they test marketed it at TVNZ at a New Zealand on the 2408 02:25:51,479 --> 02:25:55,229 Haley Holt Breakfast Show. And I think if you read between the 2409 02:25:55,229 --> 02:25:57,209 lines, you can see what they're going to try to do. And this 2410 02:25:57,209 --> 02:26:00,689 would be this would be the methodology you'd use to get a 2411 02:26:00,689 --> 02:26:01,499 redo. 2412 02:26:01,620 --> 02:26:04,350 Adam Curry: Okay, so again, this is about Brexit. This is where 2413 02:26:04,350 --> 02:26:08,010 we've been waiting for the typical European Union scenario 2414 02:26:08,010 --> 02:26:12,510 where they say you voted wrong, Let's vote again. And we've just 2415 02:26:12,510 --> 02:26:15,750 been waiting for that for years now. And this may be the 2416 02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:18,420 strategy to make it happen. British democracy 2417 02:26:18,420 --> 02:26:21,480 Unknown: has been shaken by revelations of cheating by the 2418 02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:24,870 Vote Leave campaign during the Brexit referendum. They've been 2419 02:26:24,870 --> 02:26:27,690 found guilty of breaking electoral law, with two people 2420 02:26:27,690 --> 02:26:30,210 now being referred to the police. So what does this all 2421 02:26:30,210 --> 02:26:33,570 mean for the future of Brexit? To explain, we have Professor 2422 02:26:33,570 --> 02:26:36,630 Robert Patman from Otago University Good morning. 2423 02:26:36,780 --> 02:26:41,310 Good morning. In may leave EU which was one of the major 2424 02:26:41,310 --> 02:26:45,930 campaigning groups for Brexit was fine for overspending. And 2425 02:26:45,930 --> 02:26:49,440 now vote leave which was fronted by Michael Gove who's a cabinet 2426 02:26:49,440 --> 02:26:53,940 minister and Boris Johnson until recently, Foreign Secretary that 2427 02:26:53,970 --> 02:26:58,680 has just been fined this week more than 60,000. And also 2428 02:26:58,710 --> 02:27:00,810 matters have been referred to the police for further 2429 02:27:00,810 --> 02:27:04,860 investigation. This is actually very serious, because vote leave 2430 02:27:04,890 --> 02:27:07,560 which goes right to the cabinet, including the Prime Minister, 2431 02:27:07,590 --> 02:27:09,510 one of the prime minister's advisors is linked to that 2432 02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:14,700 group. They have committed probably the biggest overspend 2433 02:27:15,090 --> 02:27:17,910 the biggest electoral irregularities. It's the 19th 2434 02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:20,880 century. I mean, we have to remember that this very 2435 02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:24,990 contentious referendum in Britain, which has pushed 2436 02:27:24,990 --> 02:27:28,740 Britain towards Brexit was decided by wafer thin majority 2437 02:27:28,740 --> 02:27:34,770 of 3.7%. But one side overspent by 10%. So this has big 2438 02:27:34,770 --> 02:27:35,760 implications. 2439 02:27:36,540 --> 02:27:39,900 These are actually criminal offenses. Yes. Do you think that 2440 02:27:39,900 --> 02:27:42,210 we need a public inquiry here? Or will there be one? 2441 02:27:43,290 --> 02:27:47,160 At the moment? You see Mrs. Mae owes her position to the outcome 2442 02:27:47,160 --> 02:27:52,230 of the referendum? So she doesn't actually relish or want 2443 02:27:52,320 --> 02:27:57,180 to open up a systematic police inquiry into what's happened. 2444 02:27:57,450 --> 02:27:59,340 Adam Curry: Okay, so what are the rules in this 2445 02:28:00,750 --> 02:28:03,750 John C. Dvorak: world it's horrible overspend of a massive 2446 02:28:03,750 --> 02:28:08,880 10% Which I guess is the biggest scandal in the history of the UK 2447 02:28:08,910 --> 02:28:13,500 apparently. I think the idea is of course is to say well they 2448 02:28:13,560 --> 02:28:16,650 did they related the rules of engagement we have to do the 2449 02:28:16,860 --> 02:28:17,730 election again. 2450 02:28:18,810 --> 02:28:23,130 Adam Curry: Right It was do over I told a real do over because of 2451 02:28:23,340 --> 02:28:24,210 election 2452 02:28:27,210 --> 02:28:30,660 irregularities, that's the word we're looking for. Very good. I 2453 02:28:30,660 --> 02:28:31,260 like that. 2454 02:28:31,769 --> 02:28:33,899 John C. Dvorak: And they're test marketing this idea in New 2455 02:28:33,899 --> 02:28:38,489 Zealand and of course is Haley. Woman is like all in and oh, the 2456 02:28:38,489 --> 02:28:40,889 two of them are you know, this professor at one of the local 2457 02:28:40,889 --> 02:28:43,919 universities and they're all well, they're all a tizzy. Oh, 2458 02:28:43,919 --> 02:28:46,589 geez, I don't know. This is terrible. That's we're scandal 2459 02:28:46,589 --> 02:28:53,099 scandal. And it's just this. I think that we're gonna see this 2460 02:28:53,099 --> 02:28:55,709 rolled out. That's why I wanted to get it in today. Yeah, 2461 02:28:55,710 --> 02:28:57,270 Adam Curry: you're right. And they got to do something pretty 2462 02:28:57,270 --> 02:29:00,690 soon because we're, we're coming up on D Day. What is it? 2463 02:29:02,010 --> 02:29:03,570 What is the what is the view now? I 2464 02:29:03,570 --> 02:29:04,380 John C. Dvorak: think they moved it out. 2465 02:29:04,410 --> 02:29:06,390 Adam Curry: I thought they had a final final something they 2466 02:29:06,390 --> 02:29:07,080 could. Well, the 2467 02:29:07,470 --> 02:29:10,230 John C. Dvorak: final final, final final. But then they got 2468 02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:11,850 the final final final final final 2469 02:29:12,270 --> 02:29:15,390 Adam Curry: problem is they've got the European Union 2470 02:29:15,390 --> 02:29:20,130 parliamentary elections and the Brexit party, apparently is 2471 02:29:20,340 --> 02:29:25,080 whatever polls are worth is polling very high. And so yeah, 2472 02:29:25,890 --> 02:29:27,210 I thought that would want to get out 2473 02:29:27,210 --> 02:29:30,120 John C. Dvorak: as you'd hope that the Liberal Democrats are 2474 02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:33,120 the ones that seem to be making hay from this whole thing. And 2475 02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:37,020 they're going to, I think move into a position of power. I will 2476 02:29:37,020 --> 02:29:41,040 do have a clip of this of the European Parliament where 2477 02:29:41,070 --> 02:29:45,660 instead of listening to Nigel Farage, go off on them. 2478 02:29:46,290 --> 02:29:49,830 Adam Curry: This is a very isn't this a very old clip? You should 2479 02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:53,610 get D for heartstart Aren't you sure this isn't old? 2480 02:29:54,090 --> 02:29:55,500 John C. Dvorak: It could be so we won't play it. 2481 02:29:55,530 --> 02:29:58,680 Unknown: Well, let me let me check. Thank you very much for 2482 02:29:58,680 --> 02:30:03,630 the publicity. Yeah. Mr. President, but Mr. Farage has 2483 02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:08,160 the whole morning talked about salaries and, and biggest waste, 2484 02:30:08,310 --> 02:30:12,450 waste of money. Well, you know, colleagues, what I think is the 2485 02:30:12,450 --> 02:30:15,960 biggest waste of money in European Union of the day. 2486 02:30:16,260 --> 02:30:20,940 That's a salary we'll pay to Mr. Fat is the biggest waste of 2487 02:30:20,940 --> 02:30:25,920 money. Oh, now, Mr. Farage, let's be honest about it. You 2488 02:30:25,950 --> 02:30:30,570 are you are a member of the fishery committee, for example, 2489 02:30:30,780 --> 02:30:37,440 and you're never dare never, ever know attendance in 2010. 2490 02:30:37,890 --> 02:30:42,450 No, attendance is fantastic. What you're doing, you're coming 2491 02:30:42,450 --> 02:30:46,770 here saying it's a scandal. The salaries are Don't be paid. And 2492 02:30:46,770 --> 02:30:50,730 you pay yourself a salary without doing any labor in your 2493 02:30:50,730 --> 02:30:53,370 own committee. That's the reality of your opinions 2494 02:31:02,280 --> 02:31:03,630 John C. Dvorak: was that nothing going? 2495 02:31:03,960 --> 02:31:07,170 Unknown: I hope that maybe this can be sent out to the BBC this 2496 02:31:07,170 --> 02:31:13,800 evening, once and on all the other private television in 2497 02:31:13,800 --> 02:31:17,760 Britain, how you in fact cheating your own citizens here 2498 02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:22,470 all the time. Already three years in a row. And I think it 2499 02:31:22,470 --> 02:31:26,160 has to finish because we know that Mr. Allen amazulu has 2500 02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:30,840 rights these union is it wants to become a real federal union 2501 02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:36,990 meat resources needs in fact his own income and that is the big 2502 02:31:36,990 --> 02:31:40,980 battle to do now. And we shall do it together. And if it 2503 02:31:40,980 --> 02:31:42,900 necessity or without your Mr. Faraj 2504 02:31:43,950 --> 02:31:46,140 Adam Curry: All right, good grandstanding. It's about time 2505 02:31:46,140 --> 02:31:46,920 someone did that. 2506 02:31:47,220 --> 02:31:49,020 John C. Dvorak: Well, I'm glad they did. I thought it was good 2507 02:31:49,020 --> 02:31:53,580 for us to run it because it's it balances the what people 2508 02:31:53,580 --> 02:31:55,530 perceive as us being pro Farage, 2509 02:31:55,560 --> 02:31:57,600 Adam Curry: I don't give a shit what people perceive all this. 2510 02:31:58,320 --> 02:31:58,560 I'm 2511 02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:00,570 John C. Dvorak: just saying it's nice to have the other side 2512 02:32:00,570 --> 02:32:04,500 yelling at him. Yes, pandering. And but the real kicker in that 2513 02:32:04,500 --> 02:32:07,200 thing, of course, was not him yelling at him. It was him 2514 02:32:07,290 --> 02:32:11,460 announcing that we need our own income taxes for us. 2515 02:32:11,519 --> 02:32:16,379 Adam Curry: Yes, that's. Well, France. Timmermans is apparently 2516 02:32:16,379 --> 02:32:19,619 high on the list to be the winner of the of the election. 2517 02:32:19,619 --> 02:32:22,619 This is a guy I know. I've interviewed him. I've met him a 2518 02:32:22,619 --> 02:32:25,589 couple of times. I've run into him at the airport. And he's a 2519 02:32:25,589 --> 02:32:26,399 nice guy. You 2520 02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:28,530 John C. Dvorak: can invite the both of us to one of the big 2521 02:32:28,530 --> 02:32:30,930 meetings they got there and maybe dinner. 2522 02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:34,380 Adam Curry: Well, I'm gonna try. You should Dan, I definitely 2523 02:32:34,380 --> 02:32:37,290 would like to interview the interviewer. This is the guy who 2524 02:32:37,290 --> 02:32:40,230 I who I interviewed on the radio station that eventually got 2525 02:32:40,230 --> 02:32:44,460 burned to the ground. Yes. Right. And, and he and he was 2526 02:32:44,460 --> 02:32:46,710 there. And he was he had just been to Bilderberg with the 2527 02:32:46,710 --> 02:32:50,550 Dutch Queen because he was the secretary, the foreign 2528 02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:53,550 secretary, not the Secretary of State but for so the 2529 02:32:53,550 --> 02:32:57,450 undersecretary or something. And then he said and I and what 2530 02:32:57,450 --> 02:32:59,370 you're doing here, man was pretty good. And you got to keep 2531 02:32:59,370 --> 02:33:03,900 that going. Keep the alternative sound. And so now as the fewer 2532 02:33:03,900 --> 02:33:06,930 of the European Union. So I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get him 2533 02:33:06,930 --> 02:33:12,090 into with him because he's a reasonable guy, for sure. I'm 2534 02:33:12,090 --> 02:33:12,810 going to finish 2535 02:33:12,810 --> 02:33:13,770 John C. Dvorak: it or he's gonna say 2536 02:33:13,800 --> 02:33:18,360 Adam Curry: who? Now he remembers. He remembers. Thanks, 2537 02:33:18,360 --> 02:33:20,820 John. Thanks for being all positive about that. I'm trying 2538 02:33:20,820 --> 02:33:21,840 to do something show 2539 02:33:22,140 --> 02:33:24,000 John C. Dvorak: is my negative attitudes gonna kill the 2540 02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:27,930 interview? Anyway, you'll get him but he won't do it. 2541 02:33:27,960 --> 02:33:31,590 Actually, the public relations woman won't let it happen. And 2542 02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:31,710 but 2543 02:33:31,710 --> 02:33:33,570 Adam Curry: if you go through Twitter, you get stuff done. 2544 02:33:34,260 --> 02:33:36,510 start tweeting and then he gets interested. 2545 02:33:37,170 --> 02:33:40,380 John C. Dvorak: Okay, so it MailChimp 2546 02:33:40,470 --> 02:33:43,380 Adam Curry: the President the President is trying to find a 2547 02:33:43,380 --> 02:33:48,390 new member for the for the Fed board, the Federal Reserve 2548 02:33:48,390 --> 02:33:54,000 Board, Herman Cain pulled out because they said, Oh, you're 2549 02:33:54,030 --> 02:33:57,030 just a stupid pizza guy. Even though he'd been on the Fed 2550 02:33:57,030 --> 02:34:02,550 board before and they threatened him with some true or not, 2551 02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:05,760 doesn't matter, some improprieties. And the Stiva 2552 02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:10,650 piece even more piece of Stephen Moore had made a lot of stupid 2553 02:34:10,650 --> 02:34:16,020 jokes. And so he says he pulled back but listening to this 2554 02:34:16,020 --> 02:34:20,280 report. I question if it was really his decision, 2555 02:34:20,700 --> 02:34:23,070 Unknown: more had said some pretty unsavory things about 2556 02:34:23,070 --> 02:34:26,910 women in the past. He follows the pizza executive Herman Cain, 2557 02:34:26,910 --> 02:34:29,340 who withdrew his name not too long ago, what what tipped the 2558 02:34:29,340 --> 02:34:31,230 scales here against more? Yeah, 2559 02:34:31,230 --> 02:34:34,110 you had a bunch of Senate Republicans outspoken to the 2560 02:34:34,140 --> 02:34:37,350 fact that they were going to be dis not comfortable with kind of 2561 02:34:37,350 --> 02:34:39,570 rubber stamping this guy's nomination, even though he was 2562 02:34:39,570 --> 02:34:42,060 out there telling the world that it was going to fly through the 2563 02:34:42,060 --> 02:34:45,780 Senate. But maybe his most fatal flaw was coming out. I think in 2564 02:34:45,780 --> 02:34:47,820 a Bloomberg interview and disagreeing with this 2565 02:34:47,820 --> 02:34:51,390 President's idea that the Federal Reserve should cut rates 2566 02:34:51,390 --> 02:34:53,940 right now in this economic expansion. Maybe that was the 2567 02:34:53,940 --> 02:34:54,720 death knell for him. 2568 02:34:55,260 --> 02:34:57,270 Adam Curry: And I think that that is the reason I think Trump 2569 02:34:57,270 --> 02:35:00,750 said you have the wrong idea. I want the Fed Federal Reserve to 2570 02:35:00,750 --> 02:35:04,770 cut the interest rate. In fact, from what I understand Trump is 2571 02:35:04,770 --> 02:35:09,930 talking about up to a percent, which is pretty big. And lo and 2572 02:35:09,930 --> 02:35:13,260 behold, what showed up on my radar this morning is John 2573 02:35:13,260 --> 02:35:17,070 Williams, and John Williams, we were introduced to John 2574 02:35:17,070 --> 02:35:20,580 Williams. Thanks to you, John C. Dvorak. John Williams is the guy 2575 02:35:20,580 --> 02:35:24,690 behind shadow stats. And we had some very interesting numbers 2576 02:35:24,690 --> 02:35:30,570 come out, we had a blowout GDP. We had even lower unemployment 2577 02:35:30,570 --> 02:35:34,110 even though the number one shadow stats number we've always 2578 02:35:34,110 --> 02:35:38,580 looked at is the use six and the the real unemployment versus 2579 02:35:38,910 --> 02:35:42,300 people who have just fallen off the escalator and are sleeping 2580 02:35:42,300 --> 02:35:46,050 under i 35. Because you just don't count as looking for a 2581 02:35:46,050 --> 02:35:48,420 John C. Dvorak: job. So the edge and you willingness believes 2582 02:35:48,420 --> 02:35:49,500 that they should be counted. 2583 02:35:49,950 --> 02:35:52,530 Adam Curry: He certainly and I think so, too. Yeah, they're 2584 02:35:52,530 --> 02:35:56,670 unemployed. Yeah, they're unemployed. And they should be 2585 02:35:56,670 --> 02:36:03,720 work able. But he agrees with Trump on the interest rate cut. 2586 02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:07,530 And for good reason. Remember, all these fancy numbers, we're 2587 02:36:07,530 --> 02:36:10,110 doing great, everything's fantastic Butler's 2588 02:36:10,110 --> 02:36:12,420 Unknown: in a great deal of variance in terms of the quality 2589 02:36:12,420 --> 02:36:15,480 of the numbers. And you also have different people with 2590 02:36:15,480 --> 02:36:19,020 different political perspectives. That when I see it 2591 02:36:19,020 --> 02:36:22,170 go one way or the other, I can tell you that the I mean, one of 2592 02:36:22,170 --> 02:36:26,610 the one of the great examples there right now is the headline 2593 02:36:26,610 --> 02:36:30,810 first quarter GDP that was just recently recently reported, came 2594 02:36:30,810 --> 02:36:36,270 in at 3.2%. Expectations had been all over the place, but 2595 02:36:36,330 --> 02:36:39,720 maybe in the middle was two and a half percent. I thought it was 2596 02:36:39,720 --> 02:36:43,440 going to come in well below consensus below 1%, eventually 2597 02:36:43,440 --> 02:36:48,030 revised to a contraction came in well above what anyone was 2598 02:36:48,030 --> 02:36:52,830 forecasting that I could see. And so I was wrong on that. But 2599 02:36:52,830 --> 02:36:56,040 as I looked at the components, a lot of the components there 2600 02:36:56,040 --> 02:36:59,790 showed exactly what I was looking for. We have a recession 2601 02:36:59,790 --> 02:37:03,180 in place, it's just a matter of its of its of its playing out in 2602 02:37:03,180 --> 02:37:07,440 some of these other funny numbers, getting worked out. The 2603 02:37:07,440 --> 02:37:11,670 reality is on the downside, where you have mixed pressures 2604 02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:15,450 right now, people are really concerned about the economy. And 2605 02:37:15,780 --> 02:37:19,170 that includes President Trump, particularly looking at 2606 02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:23,550 reelection. But he's been pushing on the economy for a 2607 02:37:23,550 --> 02:37:28,500 long time. And he's been arguing the Fed should lower rates and 2608 02:37:28,500 --> 02:37:31,740 what the Fed created the circumstance, they're pushing 2609 02:37:31,740 --> 02:37:34,620 for the economy on the upside, because they want to continue 2610 02:37:34,620 --> 02:37:37,590 raising rates, banks make more running money there. And they're 2611 02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:41,460 still trying to liquidate the problems that they created by 2612 02:37:41,460 --> 02:37:45,150 the bank bailout back in the banking system bailout back in 2613 02:37:45,150 --> 02:37:49,680 2008. That's an extraordinary time, I can't remember anything 2614 02:37:49,710 --> 02:37:56,010 quite like this. Ultimately, I'm looking at are going into a new 2615 02:37:56,010 --> 02:38:00,060 recession, by that by the end of this year, I see the Fed being 2616 02:38:00,060 --> 02:38:03,900 forced into renewed easing, perhaps quantitative easing. 2617 02:38:04,890 --> 02:38:07,890 Adam Curry: I have to admit, I'm not an economist, but I have the 2618 02:38:07,890 --> 02:38:10,650 feeling to I don't know, buying these numbers, everything's so 2619 02:38:10,650 --> 02:38:14,610 great. I'm just not seeing it. And on the GDP, and this, it's 2620 02:38:14,610 --> 02:38:17,760 in the shownotes is a pretty good interview. He explains the 2621 02:38:17,790 --> 02:38:22,740 the GDP are the the trade, the trade balance changes. And that 2622 02:38:22,740 --> 02:38:26,580 affects GDP. And the reason that trade balance change is not 2623 02:38:26,730 --> 02:38:29,670 because we start exporting a lot more, in fact, quite the 2624 02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:33,780 opposite. Because of the way he says it, the rate increases by 2625 02:38:33,780 --> 02:38:36,510 the Federal Reserve that we saw in the past year and a half, 2626 02:38:36,990 --> 02:38:41,790 have actually stopped spending. So we're just buying vendor list 2627 02:38:41,790 --> 02:38:45,780 crap from from China and other countries. And that's why the 2628 02:38:45,780 --> 02:38:49,110 GDP numbers up because of the trade balance, but not because 2629 02:38:49,110 --> 02:38:50,490 we're doing so great. 2630 02:38:51,179 --> 02:38:56,669 John C. Dvorak: Well, he just kind of explains the apparently 2631 02:38:56,669 --> 02:39:01,499 Trump has been suggesting a quantitative easing, QE. But I 2632 02:39:01,499 --> 02:39:06,659 don't know what numbers you mean by hand by now. Yeah. In right 2633 02:39:06,659 --> 02:39:11,309 in the face of the of the GDP being 3.2, which also surprised 2634 02:39:11,309 --> 02:39:15,689 Horowitz quite a bit because he had this rather elaborate theory 2635 02:39:16,109 --> 02:39:20,129 as to why it was so good in the fourth quarter. And in he 2636 02:39:20,129 --> 02:39:24,899 expected a drop off, and I think Williams must have expected 2637 02:39:24,899 --> 02:39:29,219 something lower too. So there but they've been futzing with 2638 02:39:29,219 --> 02:39:32,399 the numbers. And it started with Obama. I mean, if you look at 2639 02:39:32,399 --> 02:39:35,519 Williams as charts for unemployment and inflation, 2640 02:39:35,729 --> 02:39:38,699 especially unemployment, you look at where the where the 2641 02:39:38,699 --> 02:39:44,009 three lines because there's there's the you six, four, it 2642 02:39:44,519 --> 02:39:49,169 was four, but but there's a shadow stats number and they're 2643 02:39:49,289 --> 02:39:51,419 they're pretty much clumped together and they follow a 2644 02:39:51,449 --> 02:39:54,809 certain pattern and they're all lined up in parallel, and then 2645 02:39:54,809 --> 02:39:58,529 all of a sudden it diverges right when Obama gets in office 2646 02:39:58,529 --> 02:40:01,139 and he just goes completely because they're starting to lie 2647 02:40:01,139 --> 02:40:06,209 about the numbers and I think they're still doing it. And I 2648 02:40:06,209 --> 02:40:08,999 think Trump about the past he's always 2649 02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:11,100 Adam Curry: bitched about the numbers and now now he's doing 2650 02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:14,070 it too yeah well he's yes he's taking 2651 02:40:14,190 --> 02:40:16,350 John C. Dvorak: credit not maybe he wants to stop it 2652 02:40:16,920 --> 02:40:20,730 Adam Curry: well what he Well what I see him saying is look at 2653 02:40:20,730 --> 02:40:24,180 how great the numbers are guys low stopped stop we're gonna die 2654 02:40:24,180 --> 02:40:27,150 here we're gonna die he knows I mean he this he I think he 2655 02:40:27,150 --> 02:40:31,620 actually understands this very well this macro stuff and the 2656 02:40:31,620 --> 02:40:34,320 understands the payments and he certainly understands interest 2657 02:40:34,320 --> 02:40:41,580 rates. So I'm in agreement I think I think we're on the on 2658 02:40:41,580 --> 02:40:47,760 the cusp but just feel I have no no academic backup for this 2659 02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:51,690 other than I can just see it. I see the stores closing lots of 2660 02:40:51,690 --> 02:40:55,290 stores closing in downtown Austin, lots of pop up stores. 2661 02:40:55,500 --> 02:41:00,000 Here we are for for two weeks. All the little boutiques all 2662 02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,970 going out of business can't afford the rents which is a 2663 02:41:02,970 --> 02:41:06,000 direct result of the interest going up Correct. 2664 02:41:07,380 --> 02:41:09,510 John C. Dvorak: You would have a lot to do with it. If people 2665 02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:13,260 jacking up the rents and need to just put a buy round here is 2666 02:41:13,260 --> 02:41:16,950 hard to see except for the homeless situation and the poop 2667 02:41:16,950 --> 02:41:19,650 on the street and all the rest of it. Yeah, it looks as though 2668 02:41:19,650 --> 02:41:21,990 there's like as somebody's fooling themselves we got to 2669 02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:25,980 traffic problems of a boom now we have a huge traffic problems 2670 02:41:25,980 --> 02:41:28,830 because of the boom so the traffic is all jacked up. 2671 02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:34,050 There's jobs to be had because of the boom, but but parallel to 2672 02:41:34,050 --> 02:41:38,250 the boom there's this mess. And it's even here where there 2673 02:41:38,250 --> 02:41:42,540 shouldn't be the mess at all considering we shouldn't have 2674 02:41:42,540 --> 02:41:46,710 the city of San Francisco crawling with homeless tents. 2675 02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:50,310 encampments all over the place poop on the street, everybody 2676 02:41:50,310 --> 02:41:53,760 drugged up. It just shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be 2677 02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:57,180 paralleling the boom and it's and it is and it's a bad sign as 2678 02:41:57,180 --> 02:42:01,050 far as I'm concerned. At least it's kind of I agree. It's just 2679 02:42:01,050 --> 02:42:01,740 not good. 2680 02:42:01,800 --> 02:42:03,690 Adam Curry: I agree. We have to say about it. 2681 02:42:03,690 --> 02:42:05,610 John C. Dvorak: They can't afford to the potholes are a 2682 02:42:05,610 --> 02:42:09,840 problem. What's Why can't you be if everything's booming or want 2683 02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:11,580 your fish fix the damn potholes? 2684 02:42:13,050 --> 02:42:15,900 Adam Curry: Yes, I'm not very happy note of we're all going to 2685 02:42:15,900 --> 02:42:19,920 die. We're going to leave you we know you want to come back on 2686 02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:26,520 Thursday because we'll make you happy again I promise. Coming up 2687 02:42:26,520 --> 02:42:29,880 on the no agenda stream after this grumpy old Ben's Episode 2688 02:42:29,880 --> 02:42:32,880 Seven cord cutting that should be fun to listen to. And part of 2689 02:42:32,880 --> 02:42:40,110 our no agenda stream network of shows and coming to you from the 2690 02:42:40,110 --> 02:42:44,460 frontier of Austin, Texas, which is in FEMA Region number six. 2691 02:42:45,480 --> 02:42:47,760 I'd like to say in the morning everybody I'm Adam curry 2692 02:42:48,060 --> 02:42:50,100 John C. Dvorak: and from Northern Silicon Valley where my 2693 02:42:50,100 --> 02:42:53,790 advice is to eat pig while you can Jhansi 2694 02:42:54,390 --> 02:42:57,330 Adam Curry: Special thanks to sideboard Dave Tara Starkweather 2695 02:42:57,330 --> 02:43:00,720 and Ser seek sitter for end of show mixes we returned Thursday 2696 02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:07,170 remember us at devora.org/na Until then, adios mofos happy 2697 02:43:07,170 --> 02:43:25,230 Cinco Demayo and such tell me about the sexuality in your 2698 02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:29,460 entertainment 2699 02:43:31,500 --> 02:43:44,940 John C. Dvorak: table we must do it because it's a big boner this 2700 02:43:44,940 --> 02:43:55,290 fish is raw. Great pleasure. If I pick the right button knows 2701 02:43:55,290 --> 02:43:57,510 that a tie around the neck especially if you tie it 2702 02:43:57,510 --> 02:44:02,640 properly. It cuts down and cuts your blood to the brain beats 2703 02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:09,060 price effective it is to come to these things. I've been timing 2704 02:44:10,440 --> 02:44:18,270 Adam Curry: better than a vaccine before fish you could 2705 02:44:18,270 --> 02:44:22,140 have the the ribs or the sacrificial 2706 02:44:22,140 --> 02:44:22,950 Unknown: ribs. 2707 02:44:23,700 --> 02:44:29,940 Once you go to picture official reel to measure getting Sam on 2708 02:44:30,660 --> 02:44:36,450 Ridgeville fan finish. We got to do Sorry to break through your 2709 02:44:36,450 --> 02:44:39,750 job. But the ribs are also far 2710 02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:42,900 John C. Dvorak: some people like fish. See, here's the problem I 2711 02:44:42,900 --> 02:44:44,880 have with that fish. Fish. 2712 02:44:44,880 --> 02:44:48,600 Unknown: Oh real looking down 2713 02:44:48,660 --> 02:44:57,210 John C. Dvorak: with your fish or any fish. It's salmon, and 2714 02:44:57,210 --> 02:45:04,710 it's probably farmed reinfused got the job the problem is 2715 02:45:04,710 --> 02:45:12,450 farmers salmon is the it squeaks when you join us when you get 2716 02:45:12,750 --> 02:45:14,700 this right yes, 2717 02:45:15,210 --> 02:45:18,810 Adam Curry: yes it was on the farm Sam and has the white booze 2718 02:45:18,990 --> 02:45:20,730 Not a fan agreed 2719 02:45:27,270 --> 02:45:37,710 to unfortunately there was a snafu and you're getting salmon 2720 02:45:37,710 --> 02:45:47,520 sorry from your uncle Adam and Uncle John, you might want to 2721 02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:51,030 have some memories later on and it's gonna go away if you if you 2722 02:45:51,030 --> 02:45:55,410 trust it to Instagram, here's a crazy idea. Here's a crazy crazy 2723 02:45:55,410 --> 02:46:00,000 thought that I've advocated for many times, print some out 2724 02:46:00,510 --> 02:46:02,520 John C. Dvorak: who you just said I think is a great idea. 2725 02:46:02,550 --> 02:46:02,970 I've 2726 02:46:02,970 --> 02:46:06,330 Adam Curry: been saving photos all my life and I know that at 2727 02:46:06,330 --> 02:46:09,510 least one or two of my drives will never fire up again. Just 2728 02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:11,370 take a couple make a selection 2729 02:46:11,430 --> 02:46:13,980 John C. Dvorak: you could put you know two or three quote 2730 02:46:13,980 --> 02:46:17,820 unquote rolls on thumb drive and take it to Costco and they'll 2731 02:46:17,820 --> 02:46:20,670 print these things out now inexpensively about the same 2732 02:46:20,670 --> 02:46:23,940 you'd have to pay for supplies to do it yourself but fairly 2733 02:46:23,940 --> 02:46:26,340 inexpensively and you'll and you will have these backups and they 2734 02:46:26,340 --> 02:46:29,610 actually the gear that they're the big print guys have is a 2735 02:46:29,610 --> 02:46:31,650 little better than what you generally have it 2736 02:46:31,710 --> 02:46:33,930 Adam Curry: credibly sad that they're storing this on 2737 02:46:33,960 --> 02:46:37,860 Instagram and that can go away you know that can get deleted, 2738 02:46:37,890 --> 02:46:40,620 you can get kicked off and anything can happen and just 2739 02:46:40,620 --> 02:46:44,370 imagine it's going to be an entire generation of children 2740 02:46:44,730 --> 02:47:11,820 who get old and die in the tummy nothing left step away from the 2741 02:47:11,850 --> 02:47:27,120 crowd those days because you Foxton max you won't give up the 2742 02:47:30,630 --> 02:47:41,640 impeachments it's wrong or if it's right away from the crowd 2743 02:47:50,640 --> 02:48:24,120 next. 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