Unknown: Darkness supernova black hole
Adam Curry: facts with Adam curry for September 27 2023
Episode number 94 You've been ready for us and we deliver Adam
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end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo facts
Moe Factz: how you know Adam,
Adam Curry: I am doing good mo it's good to hear you brother.
It's good to be back on the on the I was gonna say wheels of
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What's happening in Virginia mo
Moe Factz: everything's going good. We had the storm the past
weekend. Got a lot of rain needed rain. Everything's going
good. Yeah,
Adam Curry: we got we finally got some rain here in Texas too.
It was bad man. It's been almost four months with almost no rain.
Everything is brown and dead and it's just, it's been bad and
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Let's just let's find out what we're doing. I'm gonna roll
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episode number 94 is Holy Ghost
Unknown: meets commerce. The
Adam Curry: puzzling the Holy Ghost meets commerce.
Moe Factz: As you tease this is a follow up from 93. Higher
infinite power. Yes. If you're not hip, pun intended. That was
the hip part of hip hop. Oh, now we have to go to the hot hot
part is which is an acronym for helping our people. And if you
haven't caught on by not you have but if people would
delicious, haven't caught on. This is not a historical. In
this borough, this guy used this turntable to make this now
that's not what we're doing here. Because we don't do stuff
like that right? Now, that's just a rehash. No,
Adam Curry: I mean that you can go to the museum, the Jay Z
museum about himself to find out about that.
Moe Factz: Yes, or you can go to any 50 year anniversary
celebration and get the watered down history. What I'm hoping to
do here is present the bedrock that hip hop was built on. And
hopefully if you haven't heard 93, maybe you should stop now.
Go over to 93. But if you're not going to stop now, I actually
put a mash up together of some important clips. So for the
people that haven't heard in 93, it can bring them into it. It's
a real real,
Adam Curry: it's a recap. I don't usually do those. This is
this is new.
Moe Factz: Right. So this is a bridge, hopefully. So if you're
just tuning in for the first time you're not completely lost.
Or if you're you know you want to hear this first out of order
or whatever you want to do it. This this mash up or recap. It's
five minutes long. You can stop it whenever you want to stop it
as far as to interject, but I'm just laying it out are some
important clips from the last show. So here's what gives you
the jumping.
Adam Curry: Yeah, here's what we'll do. We'll have Dred Scott
put a chapter marker in here. So you can skip right ahead to
after this. If you don't want to hear it. How does that sound
this modern podcasting technology is AI Dred Scott is
AI I'm telling you he's AI. Alright, here we go. The
flashback recap of Mo Fox with Adam curry 93.
Unknown: There are however a number of inconsistencies we
have to highlight. Firstly, restaurant staff and customers
were the pair had eaten claimed Sam had a large quantity of
money with him. Ostensibly this was to buy Christmas gifts. That
money was never recovered. Bertha Franklin had at one time
been an operator of a brothel and rumors persisted after the
killing that she and Boyer who had worked as a prostitute were
running a scam. Boyer would find victims and offer to sleep with
them but the two women would pickpocket them and then cry
rape
So yeah, this this Midnight Climax program basically they'd
they'd kick out a safe houses a brothel and they would have the
hookers slip LSD or whatever substance to the to the John's.
And then behind a mirror, you'd have a supposedly like a
researcher right? I mean, this is workout were sitting there
or, you know, having a drink and watching these, you know, the
Hooker and the John have sex and then they'd be analyzing the
impact of the LSD on them in terms of their ability to talk
and, and would they hook her in on it? Yeah, the hookah was in
on it and see an employee of the CIA. Do you know and it wasn't
just the agency like the army was involved in these things as
well, but they would get you know, cash payments, and
oftentimes the live Get Out of Jail Free
card, Franklin had shot a motel gas.
Moe Factz: Just because I'd set it up poorly. What we're
discussing is the death of Sam coat, how he was murdered or
murdered for lack of better word. Um, and my theory that he
may have walked into some kind of MK Ultra safe house or
whorehouse for right and maybe got dosed or slipped a Mickey
LSD bugged out, because it was never in his nature to be
aggressive and violent. As we heard in 93. I set it up
properly. So I just want to stop there. Did you want to interject
anything? No, no,
Adam Curry: no, I remember this. I remember all this perfectly
well, so we can we can go from here. Okay,
Unknown: they would get you know, cash payments, and
oftentimes, the live Get Out of Jail Free card, Franklin
had shot a motel guest in similar circumstances. Just six
months earlier. It's argued that Franklin and Boyer were implicit
in a deal that guaranteed them immunity from prosecution for
other crimes. This theory tries to explain the injuries Sam
sustained by suggesting he was beaten up by government agents
before being shot.
Cook wasn't having it. It said that he rejected everything
thrown at him and said he was going to do it anyway. And it
got to the point that Sammy Davis Jr. was tapped by a
shadowy figures of organized crime to reach out to cook and
tell him he better listen to the Italian. So during 1964 cooks,
RCA contract was up for renegotiation. And Sam had his
manager Alan Clang, renegotiate the contract, to include Sam's
own record label.
What do you hope to do in the future,
you're doing different things now? Well, now, I'm working
mostly
with other young singers,
poring through the contracts and papers personally, cook realized
that his manager had sold them out. In actuality, Sam Cooke
would be an employee of Tracy Unlimited, which would be owned
by Alan Klein, on a Thursday, he was going to fly to New York and
make a lot of changes, including firing Allen Klein, but he never
made it through that weekend.
A lot of these things were funded through cutouts, so you'd
set up again, this is you know, early 50s, mid 50s, early 60s,
set up financing vehicles, you know, through say, you know,
what appear to be non threatening grant programs, you
know, from Research Institute. So you're you you loop in
academic institutions, or researchers and MK Ultra had at
least acknowledged anyway over at academic institutions and
others that were either wittingly or unwittingly working
on their behalf in various research programs.
Most of my exposure has been on the business side, the marketing
and the visionary books that I put out a copy of the heartland
report, which has never been released. And I put it out in
its raw form, just as it was presented to me from the
students in half. So it can be very controversial, some saying
that the common report was the beginning of the demise of black
record companies. What I have released his book, just as it
was presented to me, let you form your own opinion. why did
why did people think that? Well, again, so he needs it for one to
follow the myths. The real saying is that Clive Davis and,
and his big mining company decided to hire these students
to do this record. And when they did this report, the union says
and blueprint to follow this report to swallow up the track
record companies and put them out of business. That's what
they say. That's not true. That's what they're saying.
So tell us what the Harvard report is and how it started.
The Howard report was a study that was conducted in 1972. And
it was the mission by CBS under the auspices of client, tribe
Davis, and Bruce Landau. busanga. Who was the VP of
Marketing who I reported to, and he came up with the idea to
conduct this study using some shooters here at the Harvard the
resume students as a project. And they took it on, I was a
liaison between CBS and Harvard. And I worked directly with those
students in guiding them and the next day. And the results of
that study was called the Harvard report. Basically, it
was a blueprint. It was a blueprint for pin trading, black
music, marketing, and also intentions of dominating black
music and black lives. That was,
Adam Curry: yeah. Yes, I just love that MK Ultra was at the
base of hip hop.
Moe Factz: MK Ultra Harvard. LSD. Yeah, baby. CBS which you
put me onto this, this you know, I'm telling what CBS CIA
broadcasting systems. So you have all these entities floating
around figure out how Dr. Logan Westbrook said penetrating the
black music. He helped with the blueprint. And the previous
clip, he said it was a myth. Then later on down like because
there's there's a good time gap in between those two clips and
when they were recorded. Now he goes into Oh, I was the liaison.
Yeah, you know. I'm part of the reason why, you know, black
music was penetrated and taking over. So there we have it. So
you got to see i CBS Clive Davis, of MK Ultra, all of this
stuff. And we all know, this report was done in 1972. Right
hip hop was created in 1973. Which we're celebrating the 50
year anniversary now. That's a hell of a timing.
Adam Curry: What is what is deemed the dip? I don't know if
we talked about this on 93 What is deemed the first hip hop
song?
Moe Factz: Oh, well, as we listen to 93 Hip Hop's been
around
Adam Curry: way longer, right? But the 1973 milestone is
Moe Factz: Rappers Delight. Rappers Delight, my Sugar Hill
gang, but some people argue that the message was the really the
first hip hop song.
Adam Curry: Great Grandmaster Flash. Yeah, because that that
actually was talking about, you know, broken glass everywhere.
It was a real CNN type, you know, Bourbon message.
Moe Factz: That and it didn't have the disco vibe that Sugar
Hill gang had, it was it actually became his own sound
with that record. So 1973 is the recognized date, as we've heard
on 93 We have people rapping in 1940s. So you can have that, but
it's just interesting. 1972 This report is done. 1973 Hip Hop
comes along. And we're off to the races. And as Dr. Logan
Westbrook said, these big companies and as the CIA agent,
former CIA agent, if there's a such thing said that they work
through these research institutions with MK Archer.
Yeah, is hip hop, a mind control mechanism was hijacked. This is
what we're going to explore a new thing in a new episode.
Adam Curry: I love it. I mean, you know, there's always been
these conspiracy theories about you know, men who control Hip
Hop black music, and turn it into what it is today and have
more fat along with actually with designer drugs every single
time. Now there's a there's a tight correlation between every
music genre every period and the drug that's associated with it.
I would say most notably now with the big DJs who fill up the
big stadiums. You know, that's Molly that's x. In the end, it's
all a part of the same thing.
Moe Factz: Correct. And you got to look at Woodstock and the
psychedelic, this kind of thing. And I'm, so we're not gonna get
too far ahead. So now we're going to pick up and begin this
episode officially, with Dr. Francis Cresswell Singh, and she
explains the role of the black role in society as an
entertainer
Unknown: in the last 500 years. Black people in this area of the
world we can say that there's no such thing as black hole. What
there is, is what the system of racism white supremacy programs
black people to In other words, racism, white supremacy says,
You are not going to be scientists. You are not going to
be highly functioning doctors and lawyers and teachers, you
are not going to have stable family life. You are not going
to respect. Now your role is to entertain me. So you can jump up
and down and saying you can dance. And yes, you're good at
sports, you can do that in some in some venues. That's what I'm
gonna allow you to do.
Adam Curry: She's a psychiatrist.
Moe Factz: Yes, she was she was she's passed away now. But yeah,
done. We've, we've looked at her work before on this show. But
that's the thing. And Hip Hop is known as more of a culture than
a music. And I would even go to say that hip hop can be
considered more of a competitive sport than a music. It can be
music. But let me lay out why I make that statement. There. One.
When you age and hip hop is not seen as aging in Round Rock and
Roll. You know, you can age out of out of being a hip hop
artist. Yeah, like
Adam Curry: seeing Run DMC at the Video Music Awards for the
10th time is like, they're all fat, and they got the Adidas on
it's like, they can't they can't really didn't feel right.
Moe Factz: And there's a competitive nature in hip hop.
Um, as far as I want to be the best. I'm better than you. I
don't know if I haven't seen it and other genres. I'm sure there
there is inside out competition. But this is a built in mechanism
of hip hop. Well, it's
Adam Curry: like going back pillars doesn't like go back to
kind of gang gang. gangs.
Moe Factz: Yeah, but I will say that predates gangs is more of
I'm doing this right now. And let me explain to you, Hey, have
you ever heard of flow state? No, I don't think so. Okay, the
flow state is like, when you're in the zone, you hear it in
sports? I'm in the zone. Yeah. You know, that's when you're in
that creative state. That you kind of lose consciousness. And
you're just in the in the moment. Hip hop is big on that.
It's, especially when you're talking about rapping and
freestyle or the competitive well, how battle rap?
Adam Curry: Yeah, he's I was gonna say battle rap. Exactly.
That's something you don't hear. I very rarely will be a
reference in a non hip hop song to a different song or different
artists. But of course, part of a Well, part of, I mean, I was
in talking about this before Los Angeles 1980, I think and it was
the what was the big station in LA at the time? I can't
remember. But they had, you know, they had battle raps. It
was a it was a street street fair. And even then it was, you
know, two guys against each other and freestyle and slamming
each other. And that that was already in that culture was
already in the music.
Moe Factz: It it was at the genesis of the music, because
DJs really created hip hop with the break records and that kind
of thing. And they had to have an emcee or master of
ceremonies, kind of control the crowd. Well, it became
competitive, who could control the crowd the best. And this is
where you had your battle thing going on. It's like I'm better
than you. And it kind of comes out of the dozens, you know,
like your mama jokes or snapping or ranking or whatever else, but
it became ROM. So that's why I say it's, it's can be considered
a sport as well, in the likes of competitive dance, gymnastics,
you know, because you can say dancing is art, right? But when
you do gymnastics, it becomes a level of degree, degree of
difficulty. And that thing and it becomes a competitive event,
not just the artistic event. So I don't want to belabor the
point, but let's get back to Dr. Francis Cresswell Singh, and she
further goes in on the role of the black entertainer.
Unknown: What we can say is that we have an impact OSE culture
under the power dynamics of racism, white supremacy. See I
can see right now in my mind the picture of Beyonce with her legs
wide open at the Super Bowl for last year, it was so appalling
to me, I can't get it out of my mind in terms of what has been
done to us the understand what I'm saying. So we would be wiser
No, we are trying to get ourselves to the point where we
can establish what we would then call black culture, where we
will no longer be victims of a system of racism, white
supremacy.
Adam Curry: Do you think she means white supremacy? As in
what we've learned on mo facts? White supremecy? Or is she
talking about the modern day version of white supremacy, she
Moe Factz: she means that just like nearly fuller means, and it
misses the cool thing about her Neely fuller. They were
collaborators. She actually helped him write his book, she
inspired him to because he just had a bunch of notes and
manuscrit you know, like, just tons and tons of ideas and
analysis. And she's like, You know what, you need to put these
things in a book and they met each other. Which for the
producers out there, I think that would be a hell of a movie.
Adam Curry: But if I'm, if I may, I take a little bit of not
offense, but I take issue with. Okay, so Beyonce is standing in
the Super Bowl with her legs wide. This is this. This is no
different from white female artists. They're doing the same
thing. Now, it's not exclusive. It's not the only way. No, and
by the way, you don't see Alicia Keys doing that very successful.
But I'm just saying you don't see
Moe Factz: Alicia Keys much at all.
Adam Curry: I disagree. Alicia Keys is very successful, very
successful, financially successful.
Moe Factz: And that's the crossover. Once she became
successful. Like Dave Chappelle said, they'll come in by you.
Once they see okay, you you artistic. Okay, and they've done
this with the two sister Chloe, and what's the other one was
name, Callie Bailey and the other one that played in on the
Little Mermaid. Her name escapes me. Oh, yeah, I
Adam Curry: know who you mean. Yeah. Right.
Moe Factz: They came in both from playing guitars and singing
acoustic covers. But the one sister with the Little Mermaid,
they were like, okay, we can actually see you being a big
movie star. What do we do with the other sister? Okay, let's
make her urban. And this is where the Irving thing comes in.
You hear? It's not saying black culture. They use this term
urban culture. Yes, urban culture is linked with horrors
and ratchet and Bs and gangs and all this negative stuff. But
what they really mean when you say urban is black. So of
course, now we you transcend that. You're not black anymore.
Like Alicia Keys, she doesn't make music for black people
anymore. He's like Wayne Brady. He was Wayne Brady black. But he
was never targeted to a black audience. And I'll call it the
flow rod effect, right. I'm sure you heard of flow riders before?
Of course, right. He's music wasn't targeted towards black
people. Even though he was a rapper and a black artist. It
was targeted towards spring break. college radio audience.
Yeah. And this is how they do this is how they divvy it up.
And once you start transcending into artistic ability, they come
and get your kids in Lamar, J. Cole. No Name all these
different people. Once they are you got a brain. So you think
okay, we'll come and take your
Adam Curry: show. Does this mean that despite the allure of being
completely financially creatively, in an independent,
independent of the record business, that Beyonce and Jay Z
are controlled,
Moe Factz: they are control from the artists of their status
shouldn't still be touring. The way they tour. They are very
controlled. And this is the way they do it. They give them big
sums of money on the front end, so we can show you on the back
end. And that was the thing with Beyonce somewhat of that now. I
mean, since you brought it up, when you find it very jarring to
see Taylor Swift and lingerie were her crushed, jammed into
the camera.
Adam Curry: Well, Taylor Swift has been doing some pretty,
pretty risky outfits, but yes, I understand your point.
Moe Factz: That's my point. And what it did was be honest They
set the tone for everybody under her. Like this is where we're
going with it. If the biggest ORS are doing it and everybody's
going to copycat what's under that and that's the same thing
with drug rap, trap rap, drill rat whatever it is whatever the
top people are doing it trickles down because it becomes this is
what the industry wants. This is what they're promoting.
Adam Curry: What little less I'm Beyonce mo Buleleng for the
getting they're getting a little antsy about where we're going
with this
Moe Factz: the heart we want to run from the Hi we are for sure.
No, but so with that laid out we can start looking at what can
Adam Curry: I just say something I love this these episodes I
love this so much. I just want to just need to say I love that
you put this together this is I'm enjoying every second of
this
Moe Factz: I appreciate that and like I said this is the bedrock
so when you say Not you but when the listener and the supporters
and and the producers and the facts families see Hip Hop they
can understand what's going on last episode was the power that
energy is coming out that's what people love that energy. What's
the purpose The purpose is to help our people why is Beyonce
Jamie her crush it today camera for financial gains to you know
to help her people? I don't fault her for that. I mean,
what's better a person rapping about selling drugs? actually
selling drugs? Yeah. So we're there's no fault there. Um,
because the whole intent is to help our people but the white
soup supremecy says no, you can't help your people on thing
you can help them do is be dumber. That's it? That's your
only job make them dumber. And rap has. I've lived rap. I've
lived hip hop. I mean from I'm probably the first generation
that was solely Hip Hop being born in 1980. I mean, I was I
don't have any recollection of nothing but hit rock. Right? And
to see it go from where I was introduced to it to now. It's a
it's a it's a mockery. And it's a what's the word? I'm looking
for? farce? Mystery? No, it's a mystery. With worse and worse.
Adam Curry: That's good minstrel. Okay.
Moe Factz: That's what it is when you take you know, the
largest audience and put these big old slave chains on him.
Yeah. And they're dancing around at the Superbowl doing the Crip
Walk and talking about how many black people are gonna killed
and they're gonna kill on an international stage. Are you
kidding me? Yeah, I hear you. Brought to you by Black men, so
called black man named Jay Z.
Adam Curry: I know you and I have been talking about this
ever since we first met. I mean, we've always said this. It's
incredible what's happening and the fact that white audiences
just take it on face value they don't there's not even a thought
about that anymore. If you know if you say hey, you know that's
actually kind of a modern day minstrel you know that station
you're listening to and the five songs they keep repeating about
black guys killing other black guys. People don't even think
about that anymore. The mindless mindlessly sing along with
mindlessly rap along they don't it's not even conscious anymore.
Moe Factz: It's to the point where they'll say, are you
really black? Yeah, that's actually black. Like they don't
question your blackness for saying, You know what, that's
not a good look for black people to do that on an international
stage. You will have non black people questioning your
blackness. Where are we going? We're so I digress. Let's get
back to clip number two. This is the story of black popular
music. And this is post Sam Cooke. And the new figure that
stepped into that void.
Unknown: It's 1967 and the mastermind behind the most
successful black owned business in history has achieved his
dream. With a unique vision, the creating the music that appealed
equally to black and white. He had created the sound of young
America
with a musical empire based in the industrial city of Detroit,
employed a group of artists across the world
the four times, the temptations, the miracle, Martha and the
Vandellas marry, well respected and admired is the puppet master
You know, he was the guy.
He was pulling the strings. unfair. He was a born leader. A
man on a mission was King rather. Emperor a King and His
Majesty and all enrolled in one and it magic and controlling. He
shied away from publicity. He knows how to use people to get
to get the job done. This is the story of how one man in the
early 1960s had a vision for soy music. He set up a small
independent label cool Motown, which would be the majors have
their own gangs?
Adam Curry: Barry Gordy Jr.
Moe Factz: Barry Gordy Jr. Yep. Their original mogul? This is
what P Diddy, Jay Z. All these you know, so called moguls not
to take anything away from? This was the guy. Yeah. And what he
did was, he made a polished version of black music that was
palatable to white society. Yes. And he's what I look up to him a
lot, not his personality. But the way he took a manufacturing
approach of quality control of you know, developing the artists
the a&r side of it the look at very smart individual. very
enterprising. But as we do on this show, we have to look at
the good and the bad
Adam Curry: 363 60 view.
Moe Factz: And we have to because it's that's where the
manipulation of the image of a person is used against it to for
fear what Dr. Francis Cresswell Singh was saying, anything you'd
like to add before we get to number three,
Adam Curry: no other than I am a big Motown fan. Always have been
I grew up listening to Motown, I grew up with the Jackson Five
when I was on Sundays. When I was in the States. I didn't move
until I was seven. So I've always been a big fan captured
me from early on. And, and we love Mike, that's all I can say.
But of course, you know, all these other I mean, the Motown
hits is I probably have somewhere in my collection. I
probably have 20 Different Motown biggest hits collections.
I mean, just every single one of those songs. Just all good all
hits to this day, you can still rerecord them and make them hit.
So just great, great songs.
Moe Factz: And I think the cool thing about Motown was all of
this came from that neighborhood, or that city of
Detroit, for the most part. I mean, you had the Jacksons
coming from Gary, but the early artists, the Smokies, the
temptations, all that he set up shop in Detroit, and just kind
of set out and said, Come in, come, come here record. And you
could do this in any city, Chicago, what Stax did down in I
think Memphis, New York, all over the over the city. They
this these hotbeds of talent that people decide. Just go to
show you the blueprint, he said out could have been reproduced,
but it wasn't. And we have to ask the question why?
Unknown: Yes, well, number three.
Even his strongest rivals in Chicago, were left lagging
behind Chicago and
Detroit were like gangsters. It was like we didn't want to do
have nothing to do with Motown. And they didn't want to have
nothing to do with that.
By 1967, his empire was showing the strain of the times.
With the Detroit riots, came an end in the era of innocence.
This is the story of Barry Gordy, black music's greatest
Svengali and his creation, Motown Records
All right.
Moe Factz: Pretty dramatic. So that's the the dramatic layout
of Barry Gordy. Now we have the man in his own words. He's
sitting down speaking with Oprah and Oprah's master class, and he
kind of tells you how it came about and his mindset of
creating Motown,
Unknown: Jackie Wilson had another hit. And another hit.
And I became further well known as the writer for Jackie Wilson.
But I was not making any money, I had to go into business for
myself, borrowed money from family savings, which we had my
sister Esther had set up, and no one could get any money from
there. But I really wanted to open up my own record company, I
wanted to do something, I had all these hits on Jackie Wilson.
And they say yes, what do you got to show for it? I said,
that's the point. That's the point. I asked for $1,000. They
only gave me 800. And so I could start trying to go into business
for myself, you know, I found a place on West Grand Boulevard,
that was a photo studio with two big windows in front, which I
loved. And the garage, I made into a recording studio record
studio, a Hitsville, USA was a place where hits were going to
be made, only hits no flops, my job was to get the hits. And so
we tried to create that assembly line approach. And then with
them being a star in the music had to go through this quality
control the same as in the fascination Are you check this,
you check that and so forth? And that seemed to work very well.
Adam Curry: All right, you rang your bell?
Moe Factz: Yeah. That hits no flops, and the quality control,
this is what got me because as people know, and my former life,
I was a quality engineer. And when you implement things that
you learned your company into, you know, your creative process.
This is what come in nobody, I think nobody really had thought
about it in this way before the analytics behind it, of not
leaving it up to artists to make their song or their look or
whatever. You always had a in ours, but the he had an actual
flowchart. You know, it goes here and me, okay, you wrote a
great song, I let this person sing it. And then they go and
listen to it. And they have Vlad sit at his table. And there's a
great documentary that talks about this. on Showtime, that
they were sitting around the table, including himself. And
even if he wrote the song, they were critically you know, pick
this pick song apart. I don't like this. The hook needs to
change. The bridge is great, but the verse is weak, or the artist
is not great for that song. And they will send it back to the
guy
Adam Curry: that Well, I would say that. So this is one thing
that Barry Gordy had had, he's still alive. I think that he has
a Clive Davis Ahmed era goon, that you even in the Netherlands
Vilem from Kota. I mean, there are what we call music men, and
they hear these things. They hear a hit. And they can indeed
they will hear a hit and say yeah, but but Barry Manilow nice
to say because that will be good for him. Or what that's what
Clive Davis would do. Clive Davis. he orchestrated in the
same manner, I would argue as Barry Gordy Jr. Whitney
Houston's career, and it but it always starts with the song. And
in my opinion, once you have the song, all the rest is marketing,
packaging and repetition. Any song that is good. You can mark
it package and with repetition, ie radio stations playing it
over and over again, you will turn it into a hit.
Moe Factz: That's where your front of future goggles. Yeah,
we're getting there. You're a long way. All right, you're spot
on. But we're gonna get to. Yeah, not another hour, maybe
another 10 minutes. All right. What's your spot on? So let's
get let's go ahead and listen to edge. And one more thing I'm
gonna lay up. Barry Gordy came from a good successful family.
As you heard, he went to his family. They had a base of
Family Bank and wanted to borrow $1,000 from his family. And his
family's like, oh, we only believe in you. 80% 100
Adam Curry: isn't? Isn't he half white? It isn't. Barry Gordy had
white ancestry in him.
Moe Factz: He does. I think him and Jimmy Carter. Oh, really?
Adam Curry: Our family
Moe Factz: members, if I'm not mistaken. And there's a good
video on YouTube is more of a graphical thing. You could
actually look up his lineage. I think he's tied in with. With
the Carter family. Genetically.
Adam Curry: Yeah, I see. From his great grandfather, James
Thomas Gordy who owned a black female slave named Esther
Johnson, according to Wikipedia, so take it for what it is. All
right. Yeah. Interesting. There's a
Moe Factz: more elaborate one on YouTube if you want to look at
his genealogy You and but yeah, bass. He went to his sisters
were. And it's funny they always we need representation for women
in the industry. He had his sisters working with him hand in
hand. Yeah. And another unsung mind. I mean, you can't say he's
unsung as far as success but the air and knowledge of what makes
it hit with Smokey Robinson, that was his best friend. Yeah.
Everybody looks at Smokey like a, you know, the pretty boy
singer. But no, he knew what what it took to make a hit. And
he wrote wrote a lot of the hits for Motown as well, even if he
didn't sing it. So I'm gonna give him credit where credit's
due. But let's go ahead and listen more of the process as he
lays out in the master class.
Unknown: And we had the artists development which my sister's
set up because they were models, and they wanted the people to
look good. And so they brought in this woman Maxine power. And
she set up this finishing school for them, which had been unheard
of. We had a guy from the Paulo shot Charlie Atkins, who came in
to be the choreographer. And we had other people Maurice King,
that was at the flame show bar, when I saw Jackie Wilson, he
came in to do the Muse comedy and stuff with the temptations
and all these people. And we just had this family of people
coming in all purposeful, and all a part of this. So I had a
relationship with every artist, every producer, every writer,
you know, I knew them. And I talked to them, and I would
critique their songs to enough, you know, we made hits, I mean,
they felt they felt like they were coming into a magical
place. And it did turn out to be magical. People would come to me
to audition for me or to sing for me as something. The voice
was one factor, the quality of the voice, their showmanship and
all that, and really who they were, as people was much more
important to me. And there were many people that had phenomenal
voices, and were great things, but they weren't right. For
Motown. They weren't right folk for our family. You know. And so
those people that came in that were right for the family, you
know, who maybe had great, great voices but weren't polished or
weren't this one fat, you know, we knew that we will win, we
win. And we did.
Moe Factz: And the key word there is polished. Yeah. That's
was his, his real superpower. The way he created this finished
Polish package, that, as you said, yourself became the sound
of young America. It looked good. It translated to
television, which people have to understand television was a new,
newer invention wasn't exactly new. But to know what looks good
on television, to understand that we only have a certain
amount of space in the stage. We had to have a lot of movement,
but stay in frame. All of this took a lot of genius. And I
don't think that Barry Gordy gets his flowers. But I think
Barry Gordy was one of the first people to get with the hit with
the castle cannon to let's be clear on that. Oh, really? Oh,
yeah, we're gonna get to that. But he didn't do it alone. He
had help. And in this next clip, we're going to figure out who
helped him to get in the doors. He couldn't quite get into
because he was black.
Unknown: In the 50s. An article broke in Billboard concerning a
young man called Barry Gordy who I'd created on the strength of a
private family loan. A tiny little label called Tamra Tamra,
in turn rapidly became Motown. And then finally, Gordy. The
three together became a powerhouse in American r&b. And
he was spearheaded by two people, Barry, and a wonderful
character called Barney Ailes, who must have been the only
white employee in the entire organization. But they needed
that because in the 50s, they couldn't sell their product
simply because of their color. This was a different era. This
was a different period. How are they going to crack a market
even with the best music in the biz, without having somebody
guide them? Barney ales, who's still very much with us, as he's
Barry Gordy has come up with a book recording the extraor
ordinary history of this magical musical label. And it is called
simply Motown. The sound of young America.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it's coming back to me because I remember it
used to be Tamla Motown for just a little bit people called
Tamla, Motown and the Ailes character who, I think he's dead
now. He he was the marketing guy. The marketing guys and he
opened the doors. Okay, I may be wrong.
Moe Factz: No, no, no, you're right. He had multiple roles
that she say that, um, he was not a talent appearing man. If
you go look at his younger pitchers, and not to stereotype,
but he looked like a mob boss. He had this leave. He was
Adam Curry: he was the son of Sicilian born Barber, Sylvester.
Oh, ales. Okay. He's from Sicily. Well, of course, he of
course, is possible mob ties there.
Moe Factz: And he had the slicked back hair with this one
streak of gray hair. Um, and in other documentaries I watched on
the subject, they kind of leaned into the eve if they say he
wasn't a mob boss, right, or a mob figure, which was highly
likely at the time, because mob and music went together hand in
hand, because of where the music was played the nightclubs and
this kind of thing, you know, it kind of goes hand in hand. And
what they leaned into this imagery to put the pressure on
DJs and radio stations, right, right.
Adam Curry: Yeah, he he was to connect he was to connect with
the DJs. That's what it was
Moe Factz: a Yeah. So I have this. This is why I said you're
from the future. Now we've got the repetition in the machine
that goes behind the hit record. This is a recording that he
Barney Ailes actually cut, and sent out to distributors,
because of a hit record that he didn't feel like it was being
pushed appropriately. And, yeah, so this is an actual 45 that
they received. And they owned the tie on the label, it said
play immediate, like it doesn't entitle. Now you tell me if you
sound and like I'm not being stereotypical. But we have to
take things in context. Because these are doors that Barry Gordy
himself can open that were opened by Barney Ailes. It's the
two parts of the clip, let's go and get to the first part. And
you can stop whenever you want to, because it's, it's chock
full. And this is him talking to his distributors, and applying
what could be seen as pressure.
Unknown: Hi, I just got back from a business trip to Europe.
Adam Curry: A is really I got from a business trip.
Unknown: And as you can imagine, my desk is piled high with
important items to be taken care of. However, something so
important is come up that I stopped everything in order to
personally discuss the situation with you. And instead of a phone
call, I thought I'd cut my first record. There'll be no 200 on
1000 for no guarantee whatsoever. important subject
I'm talking women,
Adam Curry: no 200 and 1000. What would that sound is that
sounded weird. Let me listen to it again.
Unknown: And instead of a phone call, I thought I'd cook my
first record. There'll be no 200 and 1000 or no guarantee
whatsoever.
Adam Curry: That's distributor speak for money. Yeah, I
Moe Factz: think that's 20%. There. 20%.
Adam Curry: Yes. 20% of 1000. Right.
Moe Factz: Yeah, no, 2000 no guarantees.
Unknown: important subject I'm talking about? Is Diana Ross's
first single release, reach out and touch somebody's hand. We
have a number one record with Diana, the fact say so we're
already over 600,000 records. The reorder pattern is healthy,
and the AirPlay is strong. Everything about the record is
positive, and gives off good vibrations to everything that is
except one area. That's your area. Chart physicians with the
trade papers, Billboard Cashbox, and record world once again,
reach out, in fact, somebody's saying as a number one record,
and talking with the people who make up the charts, they say
they're aware of its potential, but they're not getting equally
strong reports from the field. The problem is that you're all
taking the record for granted. We've guaranteed this record to
you. And we also know you're all pros, otherwise you wouldn't be
our distributors. So I don't believe I have to tell you,
there's more at stake than just a hit record.
Adam Curry: Your career your life is at stake. Well, this is
interesting, because it's actually very interesting by
today's standards, because the charts were incredibly
important. They're a little less important and also there's been
A change of hands for billboard. And there's a lot of shenanigans
these days very actual. But the charts were made up of radio
airplay sales and something called calls from the field.
Okay, and the call.
Moe Factz: Yeah, this is what I was excited about to hear God
knew you knew the inside work and continue on. Yeah. So you
put your calls from
Adam Curry: the field is literally that I think they they
probably compile the trades that Tuesday, for some reason has
been the day when the charts are compiled. And and so the chart
companies, let's just say billboard to make it easy, but
it's the same, the same basic concept around the globe, any
chart, the calls from the field is what the retailers are
saying. So it's not just sales, but it's what the retailers are,
what they're sensing. And these guys could be influenced. And
that was always kind of the you know, the wink wink, nudge
nudge, hey, it's getting a lot of calls from the field. Okay,
what does that mean? Well, it means you went in there, you
held a gun to the guy's head and said, This is a call from the
field son. Now not on the record. Yeah. So So yeah, that
was it was a very important signal for the chart makers.
What are the calls from the field? And that gave them the,
like boots on the ground? What boots on the ground, say
something's going on with this record? Whether and whether it's
sales or not pure sales figures, there was the calls from the
field.
Moe Factz: Maybe people come in, and I kind of understand the
premise, because of the small mom and pop radio. record shops.
Yeah, we used to have one called wheelies. And you would go in
there ask do you have this? Do you have that? Right? They will
actually push records on you by how you heard that news? Yep. So
I have a vision of how it works from the distributor to the
customer. It was fascinating hearing the label to the
distributor conversation that's being having this record is like
there's more at stake than just the hit record.
Adam Curry: Your life.
Moe Factz: kneecap maybe who knows maybe a couple of failure.
And I know I'm being hyper stereotypical, but really, not
really. The reason why I'm doing is because mo Tao and Barry
Gordy leaned into the imagery. Let's just say he wasn't mobbed
up. Right. They lean into the imagery of him being mobbed up.
He sounds the part of you here on this record. But let's hear
what was mostly stayed here more than just a hit record. You want
to hear it?
Adam Curry: Yeah, let me guess that's the second part of this
important message play immediately.
Unknown: There's more at stake than just a hit record. We're
talking about establishing an artist in such stature, that the
sales on future singles and albums will surpass even the
fantastic records set by Diana and the Supremes in the past. In
fact, her new album featuring reach out is already set for
release. I think you get the message anyway, I hope and one
action. I want you to get with your sales manager, your
salesman in your record promotion man, the Meili
developer program to make sure that the trades get strong
reports on reach out and touch somebody's hand. Then make sure
that someone from your organization gets to Gordon
prints before the week is out with a report on what your staff
did to ensure the number one position of this record. We're
not going to let up on you. So Diane's record is number one and
all the trade sharks. I also would like to take this time to
thank you brah number one records in the past. And this
comes from all the Motown staff. When I see you later this year,
I also would like to be able to reach out and shake your hand to
thank you for making reach out and touch somebody saying number
one.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's good. That's promotion. That's record
promotion, baby.
Moe Factz: A lot of innuendo in there too. When I see you later
this year. I'll like to reach out and touch your hand, you
know,
Adam Curry: break your kneecaps, but you know,
Moe Factz: came shake, you know, we're doing a great job. Not
20,000 though. So these are the figures and this was necessary
because Barry Gordy couldn't go into those, those rooms and this
is where the systemic racism played a part in shaping what
were you know, it gives if you can pick what you play what you
don't play. You can easily set the imagery for a whole group of
people
Unknown: All right, yeah, absolutely. Okay.
Adam Curry: No. So I'm with you. I'm enthralled. I'm excited to
move forward.
Moe Factz: Now we're fast forwarding to 99. Because we you
have to ask the question, Where is Barry Gordy he's still alive.
Why is he not lauded as this? No godfather of black music as he
should be for what he was able to accomplish. Some people said
that he was seen as a sellout because he didn't want to put
out the more controversial music like Marvin Gaye, what's going
on? In the movie, talked to me about PT, green, PT green had
some choice words. And honestly, just doing my research, there
was this idea that he was presenting blackness that was
white friendly.
Adam Curry: Hmm. So no, so I mean, I think Barry Gordy. I
mean, he has certainly been he's gotten accolades, but you know,
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I mean, so maybe not from BT. Is
that what you're saying?
Moe Factz: This is what we were talking about before you can
become so successful, that you're successful in certain
circles, but but not amongst your people. Right? How is why
don't we know? And I was thinking maybe he's old and
maybe lost the step. That's why we don't hear from him. But when
I saw the documentary on Showtime, I was like, He's sharp
as a whip. Wow. Are we not here for him? Well, enter this
Geraldo show for 1990. It's called the ladies of Motown. And
forgive me, I didn't get the lady's name who's speaking? I
feel bad. Um, but she's gonna make some allegation. And this
is why I said that. I think Barry Gordy got hit with the
council cannon. way early. Because one, we know the thing
between him and Donna Ross, how that played out. They kind of
laid it out and show girls. Oh, yeah. Right. So this is but this
predates showgirls, listen to the allegations. Also, listen to
Geraldo, not wanting to see Messi, but he he wants to be
messy. Number nine.
Unknown: So is it safe to say that now these many years later,
with Motown, having become a multinational multibillion
dollar corporation, that you are very comfortably well off?
I have absolutely nothing. Which is really sad. This is why I one
of the reasons that I wrote the book because I wanted to
historically, document my contributions to Motown. And
also to, you know, give the world a real inside look at how
Motown actually happened, you know, and I'm so ecstatic to
have some of the ladies here that were actually with me there
in the very beginning of Motown. Unfortunately, when Barry sold
the company for $61 million, he got the money, and I got a
plaque thanking me for my contribution.
Is it a nice plaque though? It's gorgeous.
It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous.
I don't want to get too much into the gossip angle of it. But
you do write something that was quite extraordinary to me when
you claim that at one time, Barry, aside from all his other
jobs was a pimp there in the Detroit area is that factually
correct or figuratively?
No, it's true. You know, when? When I met him, of course, he
had been a boxer and he worked at the Ford Motor Company, but
he did have his little side job. You know, he was a pimp
Adam Curry: was not his ex wife. Who didn't she write a book
about?
Moe Factz: It could be I said, I'm terrible that I didn't get
her name. I'm looking on YouTube now to see if I can get her name
Ramona, Ramona.
Let me let me look that up. But had you were looking at had you
heard this before? I had heard rumblings of this
Adam Curry: about him being a pimp. Well, I did she say that
in the kind of like, it depends on how she means it like
literally a pimp.
Moe Factz: Literally a pimp.
Adam Curry: No, no, I had not heard this.
Moe Factz: Now I've heard like I said, just in this is not
something that I heard in the wild, is that I heard it doing
this, um, the research that the Gordy family had some
connections you know, kind of thing going and people from
Detroit was like, oh, yeah, that I know, that are from Detroit
that I know personally. Oh, yeah, that's that's our well
known.
Adam Curry: I think I did not know this. Yes.
Moe Factz: So what I'm saying is I'm not doing this to drag Barry
Gordy through the mud. I'm saying they use the show and
showgirls, to kind of cancel him to marginalize him. Because you
heard Harada say I don't really want to get into the to the
murder but tell me how Barry was a pill.
Adam Curry: Here we go. It's bury me and Motown the untold
untold story 1990 Ramona singleton that was that was
that's bitterly accused of this from New York Times. Bewdley
accused former husband whom she called the thief of dreams of
denying her credit for helping to found the label persuading
her to remove her name from company legal papers, leaving
her with no financial stake after the Motown label sold an
88 for 61 million. She only received a plaque. There you go.
So
Unknown: that's Yes, sir.
Moe Factz: I think it's rain Noma.
Adam Curry: Rain. Oh, my You're right. I'm sorry. Right. Yeah,
yeah. Okay.
Moe Factz: What? Yeah. This was on television. In the mind. It's
amazing what used to be on television.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Good times. Good stuff.
Moe Factz: But you want to continue to hear Geraldo. Now
listen, I want people to hear we're not muck raking or, or,
you know, getting into what they call a tea. I'm showing you how
they discredit this person with all this, it says on national TV
by using a disgruntled spouse and employee to kind of tear him
down and Geraldo kind of plays. And I know, I have a
journalistic responsibility
Adam Curry: as well. I mean, she had a book out. So when you have
a book out, you know, you go and promote it. And so it's
salacious. You know, I haven't read the book. But you know, I
guess she had some, you know, it was canceled cannon. You know,
it's exactly what you said she was, hey, he screwed me. He
divorced me. I signed Stevie Wonder I helped build Motown. I
got nothing. I mean, it's the typical scorned woman story. So
yeah, I mean, she wrote the book it got published. That's always
you know, who published it? And which, that's actually
interesting question because book publishers are often
connected to music publishers. I'll have to
Moe Factz: show now he has all his money in it where he is
reputation is getting torn to shreds. So let's continue on
now. Producers facts family, Adam. Listen, listen to the
salami tactic did Geraldo duck because he, I don't really want
to do this. But I got to do this. Now. Listen, please.
Unknown: But did you see it as your wifely duty to participate
in that aspect of your husband's business?
No, I didn't participate in that that aspect. But on one
occasions, I did try a little something to see what it was all
about to check out where he was coming from, because I really
love this man. And he was my all in all and anything that he was
involved in, I wanted to, you know, check it out to see what
it was about? Well, you're
gonna have to give us at least two more sentences. Like what?
Like, what do you mean, check it out?
Well, on one occasion, we didn't have any money at all. Nothing.
I mean, we didn't have money to you know, we had children, so on
so forth. So there was this woman that lived across the hall
from me that was a prostitute named Roberta and she had this
guy coming in. And she had been trying to get me to come over
there. And of course, I didn't want to but on one occasion I
did. I went there. And she had this guy, and she kind of pushed
me into the room. I was totally nauseated and sick to do this.
But anyway, after I went in the room, I did.
There's a footnote in the history of Motown, you didn't
know. Well, okay.
But but but I got quite a bit of money for it.
More than you got from Motown when he sold the company for 61
million.
I got $17. But did you get a plaque?
Adam Curry: Well, the thing is people do. More than a plaque
for that if that's how she helped fund to finance the
company.
Moe Factz: And this is the short sightedness of Barry Gordy. And
people like him. I want to I want to because this goes back
to the Beyond saying that is the thing what Neely fuller says he
said in the system of white supremacy. Black people only
have three functions that are allowed. tacky, trashy and
terroristic and they scale up from there you know, saying it
starts off tacky like this conversation did between her
Geraldo manages went straight into trashy, you know of how
much did you get? Did you get a plaque, that kind of thing. And
this the shortsightedness of a person like Barry Gordy, I will
say to him, Have you ever heard Donald Trump's ex wives say
anything bad about him?
Adam Curry: No, never only good things, actually.
Unknown: You know why? Because he
Adam Curry: probably hooked him up, he sat down, he set him up
for life.
Moe Factz: Now, of course, that's what you're exposed to.
Adam Curry: Stupid, exactly
Moe Factz: what they are for these smart people that, you
know, these women have damning information that can come out
against you. And this is your former wife. So it is yeah,
there's no, there's dual motive here. You know, a person I spent
life with. I want to make sure you're set up because you being
set out and properly looks good on me. Yes, but you're not on
television. You know, selling our secrets to book publishers,
you know, to, I believe, for her to eat. I honestly believe that,
you know, she had to write this book to eat. This is what I'm
talking about. And this goes back to the Beyonce. I don't
want to harp on Beyonce, but the things that we do for money
that's how you shouldn't have a legend on television. Talking
about she slept the prostitution for $17 You have to keep up at
you know the thing called Keeping errs. Yes. She's
supposed to come on his show dignified. And talk about how
she helped Barry and how Barry helped her. And you know, you
circled the wagons, but no, no, no, no, no, not in this system.
You got to be tacky, trashy or terroristic. And that's it. And
that pretty much wraps. So Hip Hop in.
Adam Curry: End of show everybody.
Moe Factz: Actually thank you for coming out. God bless you.
Good night.
Adam Curry: Just Just to follow that up in 94. So four years
later, she reconciled with Gordy. In his 94 memoir, to be
loved the music, the magic, the memories of Motown. He did
dispute some of the claims in her book, but apparently they
had reconciled so he must have said, Hey, I'm gonna set some
stuff straight. Also, did you know that she was the producer
of Rockwell? Somebody did not know that. Yeah, somebody's
watching
Moe Factz: me. But I didn't know that was Barry's Great.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that's it. Yes. Ken Kennedy Gordy. Yeah.
Moe Factz: No, no, what was that his son and then those guys that
did that wild trap music with the wild hair? I think those are
his grandson. I don't know. I don't know what little Johnny mo
the two biracial guys that were with Louie John, they did that
that party song going off the pan. But I'm just saying Yeah. I
don't know that Rockwell was tied with Motown in a familiar
you know, familial relationship. So yeah, this is a bad look.
They said a bad little got
Adam Curry: a good look for sure.
Moe Factz: In and this is how the system works. Like you said,
let's leverage this leverage something against Barry to get
him out of the picture while we're wet. 1990 they had black
music and in a chokehold by then yeah, but this is how they set
it up. 1972 they come along, they say okay, who do we got to
buy off? Okay, bearings, the big player. Okay, let's drop bag on
him. When you seen this now, with the people selling their
catalogs, everybody's selling their catalogs, you know, this
is how they cornered the market. And in good businesses what
you're supposed to do, I'm not a hater. You know, I'm a
capitalist. If you could do this in business, it's the point that
you shouldn't allow people to do this to you. You shouldn't allow
these loose ends to come out and and haunt you. Now, Donna Ross
has a whole nother story for another day. How, you know, they
they the same thing they did with Tina Turner. Again, I'm not
saying that these men didn't do terrible things. But it was a
motive there for giving them a platform to you know, to air
their dirty laundry. Yes. All right. So now we got to go back
to the Harvest report. Because this guy, he's dropping all this
inside secrets. Once he figured out it wasn't a myth. And that's
why I always find funny that it was a myth. And then he goes on
this podcast if we talked about Dr. Logan H. Westbrook, the
liaison with CBS in Clive Davis and he drops all the gyms. Let's
pick up where we left off. This is the interview that he the
pocket Last year where he made the revelation that he was the
liaison. This is him continuing on and clip number 12.
Unknown: And what did the study come to mean? And how I, from
reading your book you cited, you just get into the facts. But it
seems that the study has become controversial for reasons that
time presented. Can you talk about that a little bit?
It has been, some say that it was one of the blessing in
disguise, and others take the opposite view. As a result of
that study, even determined that the black music, it was a viable
market, it was something to pursue. And as a result, CVS
expanded, expanded their black music marketing division. And as
a result of that success, all other major labels did exactly
the same thing. We created black marketing divisions. And what
that eventually led into the hiring of more than 1000 black
male and female executives in the music industry.
Adam Curry: Yeah, sure. Blueprint.
Moe Factz: They bought all the talent off. It's kind of like
when Vegas goes and brings out the bookies in house.
Adam Curry: Okay. Yeah, of course, it's where you want him.
Moe Factz: That's exactly what they did. And he helped with the
blueprint. I can see why now he wanted to lay the story out,
there was a myth, because I'm sure him being as intelligent as
he is, he can see that he let down the drawbridge across the
moat. Yeah. Um, let's continue on with 13.
Unknown: And then once the ratios nature of the country,
that's just the way that things were set up, and things are
completely separate, that he led all into radio stations, where
you had to pop radio station, and you had to r&b radio
station, and the pop stations, known as telephone, and wanted
to play white artists, and r&b stations, and then the plain
black masses. And then from the standpoint of marketing and
sales, it became a question of how can I, as a representative
of a black record division, across my work is over to top
40. And, of course, from a marketing standpoint, and in
sales standpoint, it behooves me to get my records crossed over
reason me on the black radio station in every market
throughout the entire country, the black stations was on the
far right hand corner of the dial, every last one of
throughout the entire country. And as a result of that, that's
sitting on the far right hand corner of the dial was a weakest
on the dial. So consequently, that is
so fascinating. Wow. It's like redlining of radio stations.
Adam Curry: It's true, technically true.
Moe Factz: You want to explain the implications of what they're
saying? Yes, as far as Khademi might not know how the
frequencies the radio company works.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it has to do with wavelengths and, and the
length of the antenna, which he wants to be tuned to the same
length as the as the transmitter antenna. And it's typically on
car radios, car radios, and transistor radios at the time,
would be more tuned for 90 through 100, I'd say you have to
tune it somewhere to kind of like the optimum length, because
it's, you know, it's a, there's a lot of bandwidth there. I
mean, this is all technical stuff. So that's why classical
stations, usually very low on the band, because they they
need, you know, a very clear reception. Now at a certain
point, actually, you get below 90, you get an 8988 it goes out
of tune again. That's why the college radio stations are
showing college stations. Exactly. So it was just a
technicality. And and so really the good useful band was between
around 91. And I just say 101. And anything above and below
that was just going to be less so you either needed more power
or, you know, a higher transmitter of antenna location.
But obviously, you know, when those frequencies are handed
out, they're owned by the Commonwealth. So the FCC would
be the one to assign that
Unknown: in each market.
Moe Factz: So is that a fair statement to say it was a
version of redlining? I will see I can see how they got there.
But I just want to get
Adam Curry: I mean In now, I mean, these days of course, with
with bigger transmitters doesn't really make much difference. And
now we're moving away from FM broadcasts altogether, I would
say it was because there was stations that were established
already. And then you know, the the quote, unquote, black
stations came in, well, you need a place to go, you can't be
sitting next to everyone else. And you know, because that could
create interference. As you know, in some some markets,
it's, you know, every every two clicks of the dial, you got
another station. So they they by default had to go into the
higher or lower low higher regions. So maybe later to
market I don't think it was like as but those black stations up
there. I don't that doesn't sound like a true red lining to
me. But it would depend on
Moe Factz: him by what you know, me, but
Adam Curry: you know, but you know, BLS one a wing, or 1075, I
think in New York, you know, way up there that almost became I
would say it worked to the black station advantage. It's like you
come into a you roll into a city. Well, where am I going to
look on the dial, I'm going to look above 105, you know, 105
probably was country. And then above that would be the black
station. So it became almost like the hey, that's where you
you don't want to bother with anything below that. So it's
also benefit.
Moe Factz: It's interesting that you say that because no matter
where you went, you can kind of look at 107 Yeah, and that's for
one was that Foxy? 107. in Durham, North Carolina. That was
the one Foxy 107 And they end up getting 104 as well. Company.
They bought it out in a merger or whatever. But 1:07am I free
7.5 point 9108
Unknown: WB L S.
Adam Curry: Yeah, Frankie Crocker. Yeah.
Moe Factz: Yeah, but yeah, I remember hearing what this
brought back to me was the saw I saw the center you Tao. You
know, that was the call the call line, whatever for the station.
When you hear this, and I'm sure people like what did the hell
are they talking about a dial, you know, but you had to you
know, we had to be in the old cars, we had to spin, spin and
spin the knob to get it go up and down. We're dating myself.
But I didn't start that as an interesting fact. And this is
kind of where the crossover thing came. We're trying to get
our song was all mainstream, was That's another interesting word.
And now we look at it through this lens, but my issue is like
you saw it the way I see it. A 107. We can brand that as our
areas. Let's keep it our area. Yeah. But I can't fault them.
Because they're in the mindset of growth scaling the scale of
scale, you know, any business, right, but you end up getting
bought out and compromised in with the ambition of scaling. I
think that's the you know, that's that happens.
Adam Curry: Yeah, you make concessions? Yeah, sure.
Moe Factz: So let's continue on what 14,
Unknown: it's like redlining of radio stations.
Exactly. Whereas when, in the center of the dial, the
strongest signal, all your chamfer stations were located in
the center of the dial. So consequently, I am a record
company executive, I want to get my runners crossed over. So they
will claim on the top 40 station reaching more and more potential
Biden. That was that was my purpose, to cross those records
over to the top one station.
And you have a great anecdote in the book about some time having
to use muscle to get black X played on top 40 stations. And
that was the story of Motown. Barry Gordy had all these major
hits on black radio stations, but top 40 stations particularly
in the South would not add them. So Jerry Greenberg put the pray,
who who was a media buyer put the pressure on him said if you
don't start adding these, these records to your playlist saying
this to the top 40 stations, we're gonna stop advertising on
your station. And that sort of opened the floodgates for they
started playing Motown Records. And then so they had to use a
little muscle to get in there.
Adam Curry: Okay, muscle or just pure bribery or payola as we
used to.
Moe Factz: Yeah, so we got muscle for what's the other
guy's name? Barney else? All right, he's, he's muscling from
one direction and then you got the advertisers Muslim from
another direction. All to help Barry Gordy. I find that
interesting. Well, it's nothing nefarious I'm just saying it's
interesting that Motown was picked for these individual put
their muscle behind.
Adam Curry: My Motown had the product I mean, the, I mean, the
the key point there is that we're selling 600,000 records of
Diana Ross, and you want to sell, you know, 6 million so and
and he even he was even like, we even know how much the
distributors made 200,000 You know? So, you know, there's,
it's money, it's it's money, money, money, money
Moe Factz: and influence, which we always talk about. This is
one of Well,
Adam Curry: sure. I mean, so this is politics and all kinds
of stuff gets involved with the music business. I mean, we see
that am I ahead again, more godless
Moe Factz: just got to separate 16 or 1760s, or straight, okay,
it goes
Unknown: finding is that white kids were listening to the black
music stations in that town. And so it was sort of crossing over
against people's will. So they got to a point where they could
not any longer ignore the White Case of the purchase of black
music. Exactly. Crazy.
Now, in your book, you talk about a meeting where you
mentioned that CBS is not infusing any money into the
black communities that were making it rich, and they thought
you meant payola, you meant scholarships, training, business
investments, etc. Is this emblematic of the disconnect
between white folks and black folks or white folks just don't
get it.
Read was that exact as a matter of fact, that seed that was
planted then eventually led to CBS, hiring the Vice President
to deal with nothing but giving monies to certain projects in
the black community. In a barren and enriching, devastating,
devastating 100% job is to pass on monies to different
organizations in the black community.
Adam Curry: You know, this is funny, in and not even in a haha
way. But when Spotify started doing podcasts, which I can
argue with argue they failed at least financially. They started
handing out $100 million grants to so called Black podcasters. I
don't even think they actually handed out the money but it was
the same thing. It was grants it was in the music company. This
is how this is how it's been operating forever.
Moe Factz: To Charlemagne was one of the big recipients of of
the one of those deals up
Adam Curry: figures makes makes total sense. And he's lying
locked and loaded for the rest of his life.
Moe Factz: And he also, you know, created a team of
podcasters the pod Boulais Yeah, but he gave, you know, platforms
to Yeah, yeah, so they make him elevate and amplify the voices
that they wouldn't want to be heard. There's not like a
natural in the wild kind of thing that, you know, the cream
rises to the top kind of thing. No, no, that's
Adam Curry: bull crap. Now that we actually were having an
argument before we even started the show, which we're not we're
not gonna get into it was about AI, no, doesn't matter. But
going back as long as the product and I've, I've learned
this all over again in the past two months. With this value for
value music stuff, I started a show booster Graham ball. And,
and I really, I really realized that as long as the song is
good, if you hear it three times, you're going to wake up
in the morning, you'd be singing that song. Imagine if you hear
it 300 times, as long as it's good. It can be a hit. It's
packaging. It's marketing and repetition. And that's, that's
what's going on here throughout throughout music history.
Moe Factz: And I would like to give a boots on the ground
report that if you're a captive audience, they can make anything
a hit
Adam Curry: correct. It has to be really bad for it not to
become a hit. Absolutely.
Moe Factz: If you are solely reliant on the radio, which I
think Black radio was probably one of the biggest spreaders and
yeah, he's a super spreader. Yeah, propaganda. Their aid
because one it's free to wear as you used, whether it's in the
car or on you work in warehouse jobs easily available, easily
available, barber shops, that kind of thing. You cut the radio
on, and it gets kind of with you all day.
Adam Curry: And now you now you understand why the music
business has been captured because the the How does that
happen today because let's just say radio is less important than
it was. It's becoming less important every every minute
It's the algo it's the YouTube algo it's the Spotify algo it's
all about the algos who controls the algos. Well go look at who
owns Spotify
Moe Factz: suggestions. Now, well you like that song you
might like these other teams.
Adam Curry: It's all algos and, which is why I like going back
to the old school, the DJ, the DJ is the one that that does the
selection for you and you'll tune into a DJ he's your algo
he's your discovery algo but it's transparent. Now it's not
like something behind the scenes because you know, the cream
never rises to the top the cream sits like cement at the bottom.
Moe Factz: And but even with payola. The DJ still had his
reputation on the line, correct peak he couldn't play tray. Now,
you might take the one and with the $100 bill in the records
leave and play first. Or you know, or when it first comes
back from break. But he can't play complete trash. No, because
it's like, you were picked as a DJ. For your taste. You were the
algo you weren't in the curator of of a sound. Exactly. Now,
there's nobody to blame, you know, you can't say all
Adam Curry: it's even worse in the music business these days.
You've got to pay to be on playlists. There isn't a you
probably know this, but there's entire companies you know, you
pay Oh, it's like you want to be on this playlist. Well, you got
to pay me $1,000 Okay, now you're in the playlist. That's
how it works. And these are playlists that are popular
playlists that by some magic get promoted by Spotify. Oh,
popular. Yeah. The algo is not some magical thing that lives on
its own. No, no way. It's all controlled.
Moe Factz: And it was a little bit of consolidation that had
been before the algos. I like to take this time since we have a
radio conversation that it was this thing called record pools.
So because when I was making music, you're saying in my
early, early to mid 20s. They had these record pools, and you
had to pay your money to get your record in and record the
pool in the pool to be heard by DJs. Now, they worked at radio
but they also the bigger bigger vehicle were mixtapes Yep. So
you were gets your record in the pool, which you had to pay to
get it in there, they will hear it and then put it on their
mixtape, if, you know if they felt it was good, or if you, you
know, had interactions with him aka payola for lack of a better
word. Um,
Adam Curry: but but payola is not the exception.
Moe Factz: It's the roguery rule, it's
Adam Curry: how it works, how it's always worked, when I was a
DJ in Holland, which was, you know, arguably very
professional, even though it was government controlled, but every
Monday morning, all the record label reps would come in the
pluggers, as they were known, the record pluggers, you know,
plug in their records, and, and they would, you know, say, hey,
it would be okay, CBS your attorney says, Hey, guys, you
know, I got this hot new thing, and you play a little bit and be
like, okay, and part of that meeting was also to choose the,
the record of the week, you know, that would get, you know,
play every other hour, which of course, everybody wanted to get
that record of the week status. And, and, but it was it was
actually quite sincere. Now at that station, if a record guy
said, hey, I'll take you out to lunch. You had to pay and, uh,
my boss would reimburse me. That's how, that's how strict
they were. I was like, No, you take nothing from these labels,
nothing, not even a picture disc. Not a t shirt. Nothing.
You don't take anything from them. So there was really no
payola, but you did develop a relationship. Hey, I can get
Dinah Ross to call into your show. Oh, cool. I want that. All
right, you know, and so you'll play the record, right, of
course. So that kind of stuff that that that's how it was
done. Not really payola per se. Now, I never got Coke or hookers
damaged to have missed out on all the good stuff. But yeah,
and these days, yeah, there's still a few independent record
promoters. And they will have quote unquote, have eight
stations. So it's that guy's job. There's one who lives in
Austin. dear old friend of mine, Greg Lolly, and he will. Here's
how I met him. I was I had the top 30 hitless Adam Cruz top 30
Hit List, and it was a syndicated radio show on
stations all around the country. The stations got that show for
free, and then they were able to play two minutes of commercials
per half hour there local commercials which they could
sell was like, hey, you know you can have an ad on Adam Curry's
top 30 Hit List, and I sold the rest nationally. So I had Pepsi
and Reebok and sponsored like that. But in order to clear my
station to clear clear my radio show on the station, they would
always say, yeah, well come down and do the morning show or do
this or that, which is a huge pain in the ass. So then Greg
Lolly, he would have all these acts, which he represented Marky
Mark and the Funky Bunch sisters with voices met with them as WV
Oh, yeah. I mean, I can go on and on. I forget all of them
even up 40 at one time. And so he would organize and pay for
these big summer jams. You'll beat it for summer jam sessions
with boys you beat me to it. And hosted by MTBS Adam curry. And
so then the station would clear my show for a year. And they
would and of course they would play you play the records of all
the acts and he usually had a new one in there. The old one or
two new ones we'd have you know, Marky Mark would be the big no
good vibrations. He'd be the headliner all track X, by the
way. And, and you know, we all sit in the motel room, it was it
was no different from 19 You know, 1960s Motown exactly the
same thing. I was the DJ, I had, everyone had a stake, everyone
had reason to be in it. And that's how it works. That's how
it's always worked. Now, it's a little different because you
have one music director, who controls you know, 20 or 30
stations across the nation ad. Well, that's the the program
director, the MD to the PD, you know, the PDS as above the MD So
the PD usually gets all the money, and he tells the MD what
to do. The MD gets to hang out with the artists. So he'll
program one song 30 stations at one time. So it's kind of
inverted a little bit. It used to be decentralized. Now, you'd
have to go out now it's just one guy, and he controls at all then
you know, with with all the shenanigans you can imagine, but
usually, we got a call from the field. What's the Call, man it's
hopping on YouTube, it's popping on Spotify because they control
the algos. So it's all. So bottom line, don't get into the
music business unless you come to value for value music. There
is no music business to break into.
Moe Factz: And I would like to make one final point is that
it's amazing that I have been working on this show forever.
And the fact that I didn't even know about you know, what your
your your music show that you were doing. He works
Adam Curry: in no danger, mysterious ways. No, right? No
coincidence in the kingdom, my brother,
Moe Factz: when I first heard all that Whoa, like what's going
on here? You know, this is lining up, you know, the stars
are aligning to Well, I think we started at 17. Yes, we did.
Let's, let's go ahead and get into 18.
Unknown: Again, he was committed to the environment. And the way
that first came about was when I was the head of the division
there at CVS. And I had a friend of mine. That was a we were
colleagues in high school. And he was working for a national
company. And he was working for he came up with the idea to
sponsor the Black Caucus show in Washington, DC. And this is the
very first time that he was done in the major week. And he and I
produced a show as a fundraiser for the Black Caucus in
Washington DC. And his line that show was it was it pays for the
sex acts darkened the front of mine, he was the emcee of that
show. So it was a very, very successful show. And as a result
of that, they started doing the show on a regular basis every
year. And it became on the major fundraising for the black
conference here in Washington, DC. Again, man, we were
emphasizing community involvement. That's what we were
emphasizing. And the same thing even extended into on a local
level. Let's take Chicago, for instance. The black politician
was one of the authors in Chicago, it was my
responsibility to get my black artists to work along with that
bank politician, so that when he or she would hold that rallies,
that artists would need that to perform to attract additional
people to hear what that politician had to say. And we
duplicated that throughout the entire country.
Adam Curry: still happening today.
Moe Factz: That's how you get in Jay Z and Beyonce to come out
and support Hillary Clinton. Yeah, I think they've gotten
smarter. Oh, since then, instead of supporting candidates. It's
initiatives like LeBron and 2020. It was about you know, the
NBA and LeBron on helping to get the vote out, right? He didn't
he didn't go on stage your body? No, I think they're getting
smarter now. They learn from the Puff Daddy, vote or die in those
initiative that people are getting little people getting
smarter. They're getting hip. So we need to, you know, mascot
better. But this is this is your politicians right here this is
your politicians, the record labels everything and wonder how
this ties in to the theme of the episode is that they won't allow
us to help our people. Everything from the money to the
political influence to everything is hijacked. Yeah. It
is how it how it? I mean, how is it you have a Barry Gordy in
this 60s? Which you don't have that now? Who was the Barry
Gordy now? It should have been Jay Z No. And I'm not beating up
on Jay Z but he's the top you know, he's the biggest boon a
member you know that we see a public facing Boulais member?
And what did he get to do he got to be a basically an event
planner for the Superbowl. And look at the type of show they
put on.
Adam Curry: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's, it's so
consolidated at this point. You know, all the labels own
Spotify.
Unknown: It's just the fact.
Moe Factz: You're right, right, it that's the new radio,
basically, the apps. The apps are the new radio.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but Spotify is is is the is the the king and
Spotify is the king but you know, famously makes no money.
Now because it's it's it's like it's almost like legal money
laundering. You know, it all goes through Spotify into the
labels, they owned it, they owned all the stock when it went
public. They don't they probably own all those crappy little
companies that you have to pay money to to get on their
playlist, et cetera. Fake fake streams, all this stuff. It's
it's one big giant is actually it should be investigated for
anti comp, anti competitive behavior. It's I don't know if
it's if you really have to Berry Gordy's anymore because we know,
as long as it's a good song, and because of today's technology
and tomorrow's AI, I'll throw that one your way mo it'll be
there'll be there's a lot of products, there's a lot of
product, there's no there's so much product, but you can only
promote so much. Because you still it's still cost money, you
still got to throw them on the road. You know, you got to you
got to do all all that stuff. So they pick the ones they like
maybe the ones that are most valuable or most packable for
all the ancillary goodies like politics.
Moe Factz: Just sayin, you have to be smart, but not too smart.
Oh, God, no. That's a balance. It's like you have to appear to
be smart, but not smart enough to read or record contract.
Correct. Or understand what you're signing or now it's
gotten to the point going back to my mission statement is is
I'm shocked literally shocked when I saw it coming. The
degrading intellectual content of hip hop. And this is a little
foreshadowing for where we're going. Because there's words I
learned from rap. The way they used it in the context, increase
my vocabulary, everybody it was all about being in form of
dropping with the car dropping Jews information I learned about
the Illuminati from rap. I learned about you know, all
these things and then now we're in 2023. And it's the artists
that they pick handpick. Yep, rapping about their booty
holders Brown.
Adam Curry: Well, I mean, you don't if CNN is out there and
available, you want to own it. You want CNN to push your
message
Moe Factz: that this is not at CNN this is it's the equivalent
of young graduate brought up seeing in my uncle used to watch
CNN from wall to wall every day. Yeah. And it was interesting
stuff on there and it was happening in the world. If you
turn on CNN now. The content is so stupid. So how did you get
from where Are there two down here that is sold? Low level and
low Brown? I'm not being an intellectual snob. I'm just
saying how do you digress? Is it the people that digressing? And
you're catering to the audience? Or is it this weaponization of
stupidity to bring people down?
Adam Curry: Well, there's two, two sides to it. One is Rupert
Murdoch figured out that you could cater to one side and be
very successful with half the country. If we just talk about
cable news, in this case, CNN feigned a little bit of oh,
we're in the middle, but they're not in fact, being in the middle
is not very profitable. This This news is this started when
news was no longer a loss leader, CBS News used to be, you
know, it would cost you know, $12 million a year, which is a
joke by today's standards, but to produce it and that was $12
million. CBS threw out the window, but they want it to be
the station that people came to for news and stuck around for
all of their entertainment. So in particular, political
advertisements. The the biggest moneymaker for cable news is
political advertisements, billions of dollars in a cycle,
but even their cycles all the time now. So now it's money.
It's just, it's just pure money. And so then you give people
dumbed down content, people become Idiocracy dumbed down.
They just just start, this is why podcasts are popular. People
are getting something else. Oh, you know, in a way, podcasts are
the new hip hop, hey, go. Hey. You can't get more hip hop than
this.
Moe Factz: Because hip hop is a counter culture. Podcasting is a
counter culture is the more things become polished and
perfect in, you know, the big screens and the $5,000 suits.
Yeah, no, it's two microphones, two laptops, and a handful of
clips, and conversation. And it's not a script. We're not
coming on. Let me get my line. And you know, I have a great
joke written out. No, we don't know where this show is going.
It might go off the rail, who knows, but it's authentic.
Adam Curry: That's what we want people people want authenticity.
But this is what's in our DNA. It's in our DNA that we want
that
Moe Factz: but this is what scares me because we're headed.
I mentioned before that hip part of hip and hip hop is also hip,
you know, being done, know what's going on, you know, what
we call a woke, you know, being in the know, knowing what the
slang is, when it becomes so hip. They have to dumb it down
with drugs. And you mentioned this before. And in this time in
the 60s that we're talking about psychedelics came, right, what's
that came, and it kind of just
Adam Curry: Well, now, what is the kind of ketamine ketamine is
the new drug?
Moe Factz: Right and DMT and you know, and they bring it back
mushrooms, and I'm waiting for LSD to make another another
circle. May did this, because they said they're getting too
smart at the same time. I don't think the stupidity is natural.
Let me just say it out there, I think is these kids are smart.
These kids want to live in communes. I think it was called,
they want to eat organic. We can't have this we have TV
dinners that we need to sell. And Buick.
Adam Curry: Yeah, no, yeah, you're right.
Moe Factz: Yeah. Let's let's dumb them down. Let's drug them
up so bad, and they're dumbed down. And then we'll put a bad
rap on and live with Max. And that they'll go into, you know,
like the hippies did, they'll go into the, into the shadows. And
I got a strange feeling that we're going to see a repeat of
this, but
Adam Curry: all the more things change, the more they stay the
same Mo
Moe Factz: Yeah, it's just another cycle. It's a cycle.
Totally, totally. Alright. 19
Unknown: and talk about the Congressional Black Caucus
because you you continue to remain involved with politics,
correct? Yes, today. And so what are some examples of maybe folks
that you helped get elected or was the policy
the founder, who made the show that I was involved in, was a
fundraiser for Redis got clean and In Atlanta, Georgia. And
ironically, Governor Carter was, was the governor of Georgia at
that particular time, which is the first time that I had been
to meet him. And that entailed sort of including what we've
done according to what CBS was all about. And then some years
later, when he ran for president, he came to Los
Angeles, California. And he was the look into the tide into the
black community and the black power brokers. And of course, at
that particular time, I did not have the power of know how to
put that together. But I did have a very good friend, a guy
named Clarence Avon, who's known as my godfather.
Yeah, I saw his documentary put
up put plants event with Jimmy Carter. And then the rest is
history. All of the keys to everything.
Adam Curry: Now, there's something I have to bring up
here. Because today, obviously, even though Hip Hop all all
music forms are controlled by the algorithms, YouTube being
the I think one of the major places followed by, you know,
YouTube can can get stuff going tick tock, actually, I should
say is probably even more important for the record
industry to create hits. And then then you want it on the
playlists on Spotify to really cross it over, etc. Something
happened. But we still have lots of people, lots of artists, I'll
just say hip hop artists, on YouTube on Tik Tok, maybe even
more on tick tock creating their own stuff, which has, you know,
probably won't be picked up by a record label for a whole bunch
of reasons. But with the mugshot photo of 45 Savage, I'm seeing
such a huge influx of hip hop, Latino music videos, all you
know, now all loving Trump. He's, you know, he's a brother
he black now. He, you know, he was in jail, he gets it he's
he's part of the family now. Do you think that that will really
make a difference in the coming election?
Moe Factz: This lends to the theory that Neely Fuller said
about tacky, trashy, terroristic? Sonas Trump became
tacky and trashy,
Adam Curry: he starts winning
Moe Factz: to a certain segment. Now what's been black
conservatives and even the Antheil vote blue no matter who
crowd right that was like, you know, Trump has some points put
as soon as he became tacky and trashy and you want to run
criminal and with terroristic? Oh, that's my God now. Oh, yeah.
Adam Curry: Yeah, but will they vote?
Moe Factz: Well, and we talked about in the show, it's not
about voting. It's about not voting.
Adam Curry: Correct. Not voting. Democrat. Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
Moe Factz: This is what has him scared silly. Because if it and
this is how fast things move on, I hate to say it like this our
side. Oh, I'll take skinny jeans, for instance. They're
wearing tight pants. They're out.
Adam Curry: I hear they're out.
Moe Factz: Well, their legacy is still here. Because I grew up
the bigger the better. The more fat the bigger your jeans, the
better.
Adam Curry: You're from the criss cross generation.
Moe Factz: Yes, I've gone from cross color all the way up
through Rocco wear jeans. And there were you know, you put two
legs in one pants, one leg. But all of a sudden, skinny jeans
came out of nowhere. And you baggy jeans disappeared. Or they
became dad jeans just overnight. And when I'm not talking about
the pants, I'm saying how fast the culture shifts to what's
cool and what's not cool. It happens overnight. And this is
the thing about being hip. Because what was hip yesterday
is lame and square today, right? So Trump could easily become and
I see it slowly happening. So trashy and terroristic wish they
thought the mug shot was going to be a negative.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it turned into a huge positive for him.
Moe Factz: Right because it's multiple levels to this one is
the people They are informed on politics and following whatnot,
not just people that watch the headlines and and you know,
watch clips on a news. It's like, Hold on This is unfair
this is this is evidence of the to the multilayer justice system
is more than two layers, right? This is evident that this is the
educated This is the informed take. But the fact that Trump
was locked up in Atlanta, and he got out, and like, yeah, now I'm
the bad guy. Now I'm the same way people gravitate to the
Joker is like, I don't, I thought Batman was the good guy.
But the Joker is just as popular if not more popular. And, and
you know, the cool RAM brown.
Adam Curry: So I'm seeing this, you know, just from what I'm
seeing what people send me, but is it really alive that way from
your experience?
Moe Factz: Yes, okay. For multiple reasons, because it's
like, if you're a content creator, saying something
controversial, helps you stand out. Right? So if I want to, you
know, get views. I'm going to do something or say something
that's so controversial. And what's the most controversial
thing you can say? Yeah. A black person supporting Donald Trump,
right? While being cool, is not common. So he was saying
supporting Donald Trump or, or elders, Larry elders, races out
somebody that was cool. Or considered cool supporting
Donald Trump. And I'm sure the worry is if I'm a betting man,
I'm putting my money on Vegas in Vegas. That the word went out to
artists. Don't you jump on this train?
Adam Curry: Oh, um, no doubt. No doubt. Yeah.
Moe Factz: But you saw little Wayne and yeah,
Adam Curry: yeah. They you
Moe Factz: saw how they were lambasted for even taking
getting out of jail. No, you're supposed to stay in jail for
your Donald Trump and get you out ASAP Rocky, Little Wayne,
those kinds of things. Yeah. So I'm sure the word went out and
induced to tie that back into what we just heard of the
politics in the record labels. I'm sure there was a memo that
went out to say, no, no, no supporting Donald Trump. Now who
will be the first artist to do that? Just like the F Donald
Trump song. You remember that? Of course. Yep. The guy that
wrote it, one of the guy that wrote it. Not Nipsey Hussle. But
the other one, he came out say You know what, Trump ain't
really that bad, dude. So this is how this then this is pre
this was pre that mugshot. So Trump has went full circle, that
he was so hated, that he's becoming loved. But under the
under the guise of being tacky, trashy and terroristic,
Adam Curry: and he was loved by hip hop in the late 80s and 90s.
New York Hip Hop guys, they were doing songs about we're
incorporating Trump all the time, as you know, as bling as a
measure of success. You know, like Trump Towers, you know, a
be like Trump. I mean, that was an all the songs
Moe Factz: because the lifestyles are rich and famous.
Yes. Yeah. He is holed up in a town car, right. When a driver
servers, right, you pull them up in the Lambo, and he got to the
goal ceiling. Like Yeah, but what is that considered to owe
money? That's tacky and trashy. Yeah. You don't do that? No. And
that's why Trump would never was not allowed in a fail. That's
why he was not accepted amongst his peers on his economic level,
because he's seen is tacky and trashy, oh,
Adam Curry: my God, they must be so afraid of that guy. Must be
afraid of us are afraid of him.
Moe Factz: Especially with the one time to that's the scary
part. Yeah. I don't think we in recent history, I don't think we
ever had our president that was gonna get elected and only was
gonna serve one term.
Adam Curry: Well, Bush Senior only served one term.
Moe Factz: But I mean, he didn't come in knowing he was only
gonna start with one turnout. No, no, that's a very scary
position. 45 Savage. And even the 45 Savage. Yeah. When I said
that people giggle and laugh and like, Oh, that's funny. You
know, it's because it's lending to the hip hop. You know, the 21
Savage. Yes. So yeah, so that's funny, and it kind of diffused
the Mind Control that was around Donald Trump. Yeah. All right, I
think we stopped. Good night team, I guess we can. Thanks
some people, first, the
Unknown: white man in the black man have to be able to sit down
at the same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his
mind without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the
so called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without
hurting the feelings of the white man, then they can bring
the issue that are under the rug out on top of the table and take
an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the
only way we'll ever do it.
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Moe Factz: We've talked about the crossing over of black music
into white society now like to look at the inverse of
corporations and their mindset at the time and this comes from
1954. But there was this instructional video I guess it
was sold to department stores and things of that nature of how
to sell to the Negro. We talked about this before but I don't
think we actually played the clips. Okay, here we
Unknown: go. Here's what sales psychologists have to say about
selling to the Negro.
The secret of selling to the Negro was expressed in one word,
that word is recognition. Now, there's nothing unusual about
that. People want to be recognized. They need
recognition. That's basic in all of us. But perhaps because he's
had so little of it. The Negro needs even more. He needs to
feel important and appreciated. This need is a very real and
important. It shows up even in many of the Negro shopping
habits Anyone who shows or wants to sell to the Negro customer
should know about some of these habits. Three habits in
particular, play a big part in every sales transaction.
Adam Curry: Oh man, this is I'm gonna just gonna guess that
these three habits are, are used to this day just guessing
Moe Factz: that would be a good game. I want. He mentioned the
word psychology. So they sit down and study. I'm sure they do
most people, of course. But specifically, the reason why I
use this clip is to show you that they didn't want and I'm
gonna say that's the capital they didn't want our music.
Venturing over into their children's ears is why they
built this wall up. But at the same time they want their
products and everything Yes.
Adam Curry: To the flower community. Yes, of course,
Moe Factz: to the point where they come up with these three
strategies of how to sell to the Negro and let's just see if they
still hold true to and 2023.
Unknown: To begin with. Most negros buy by brand, they ask
for products by name, they're quick to turn down off brands
buying by brand. That's the first important legal buying
habits. Now for the second. When ego buys good quality
merchandise, symbols of quality and prestige are very important
for the Negro customer. This woman, for example, is buying
fine crystal air, but she is also buying the admiration and
approval of her friends and relatives. Listen to her
thoughts. Beautiful,
I can hardly wait to share with the family. And
it's a well known fact that many Negro customers are influenced
by the opinions of others, what their friends may think of a
certain item often decides whether or not the sale was
made. So remember, when Negro buys quality merchandise. That's
the second important point. And here's the third thing to
remember when selling to a negro customer. When he specifically
asks for one thing, don't try to sell him something else. Don't
try to switch him at the point of sale. If you do, he will
probably react something like this. They think that the money
to pay for the Negro resents being offered a substitute wants
to be sold on quality.
Wow, Gucci.
Moe Factz: It Right. And Kaya had a famous line to say we buy
stuff just to say you ain't up on this. And that s Oh, almost
ingrained in hip hop like these days. Oh, Jordans came out. Next
week. Yeah, you ain't got you how do you get them next week?
You know, like, but that that goes to show that these
corporations understand how to sell to us and how we will
receive being sold to so this is why you have small artists on
with big record labels. Even though that regulator has a
track Are you saying I have a track record? Oh, and I don't
use word lightly but this is a term used in music. Oh raping
artists. You know Yeah, he got that one broke now broke now
broke now but it's Atlantic. Yeah. Interscope. Yeah, what is?
Is Def Jam. Yeah, I signed the no limit. What's that? No limit.
Yeah, even went no limit. They had to come in and they made
Cash Money seem like independent, like no limit was
but there was big money behind them. Yeah. So this is why just,
it may seem crazy. Like why did people keep falling for the same
thing? And it's that insecurity and the need for recognition.
While artists sound with these record labels, and while we buy
their materials like who I've never heard of him, I've never
heard of that record label. I've never heard of whoever I'm going
to sign at Def Jam. It's like why would you do that? I mean,
look at their track record they've honestly, I would have
signed a major record deal. This is why I've never ever planned
to sign a record deal. Ever I said in a live show. One I'm not
signing it's not my I don't understand. And I know is way
smarter people than me. This has been gotten got by, um, by
record deals. So why When I put my name on something, were they
all my name image and likeness? No, that's not going to happen.
But the fact that the way they do it is, don't you want to sign
you know, with Def Jam that long legacy? Now the LL Cool J Sure.
You know, and that's the recognition part of it, and they
know in your mind, how to play that game to get you to sign.
And then they also they use hip hop, with brand recognition to
say, Oh, this is associated with someone. So this is Drake. You
know, Drake wears Jordans and Nikes or whatever, you know,
cayenne, Adidas. Now, Adidas needed Kanye morning and Kanye
needed Adidas. Did you see it come crawling back? Did
Adam Curry: you see the Nike movie?
Moe Factz: No, I didn't. You gotta wait. No, they had a
movie.
Adam Curry: Well, it's a movie about Nike and how they signed
Jordan. So it's really about Jordan and Nike, and how they
you know how they changed sportswear. Because Jordan was
signed with adidas because Adidas was cool. Everybody
wanted to be with Adidas. It especially
Moe Factz: at the time with Run DMC. Yeah, this is the
association. I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen the movie.
Well,
Adam Curry: you need to see this movie. You need to see this
movie. I am
Moe Factz: putting on the list. You will love it. Yeah. But
that's that name recognition. Yeah, Run DMC was associated
with my Adidas. Yeah, so it would have been logical for
Jordan to sign with Adidas, but it
Adam Curry: was Jordans mom who convinced them differently, but
only under the auspices that he got a piece of every shoe sold
Moe Factz: as you're supposed to Smith course. Of course, but
which you know, the funny thing is now when they sign these
artists, the art is down to science. Oh, yeah. They'll have
the artists there. The have the pin in the contract in there.
Have you with your lawyer? Yeah, they paired you with
Adam Curry: their lawyers, your
Moe Factz: lawyer. And he's like they're sitting there am I gonna
sign or not? Yeah. And then you saw your life who a mess. That's
the you know, I'm signed now and I never understood like what's
the point of being sign? I don't I don't get it. This
Adam Curry: is the revolution where we're right at the
forefront of value for value is happening.
Moe Factz: Masterpiece said it best. He said two things. He
said one, if they offer you 2 million you were four. Yeah. So
that's always remember to always go to off you less than you're
actually worth. And to say 15 50% can't pay my MF rent. So
it'd be like, you know, I'm not gonna take a 15% deal. No, you
save 15% And give me 285. You do my
Adam Curry: 15 it's usually like 4% over retail. It's not even 15
is much less. It's horrible, right?
Moe Factz: So let's think we wrapped up with the How to sales
just so we can get the mindset of how corporations look at
black people how to sell tomb. But as always, there's somebody
that doesn't go along with the program and I'm doing this is
some my favorite people, you know, Barry Gordy with a mindset
of, you know, honestly, the way he ran Motown, it's kind of hard
do my show. I put the clip list together and I'm very critical.
You know, it's a it's a it's a process.
Adam Curry: You have flow charts and everything I know. I know
how you do it.
Moe Factz: So that's the thing and James Brown just just let
you know who the next clip is about. Listen to how he was
speaking and how he felt about independence.
Unknown: Brown is one of the very few entertainers who
personally control his own fortune at all. He's tyrannical
approach to his business affairs has shown that a black
entertainers future we don't have any never be confined to
singing and dancing for the white market. In 1969, the
United States National Business league named him Businessman of
the Year, he was quoted as earning $8 a
minute, the Lord's advisor.
He owns a fleet of 30 cars, private jets, real estate and
radio stations.
checks, guys money order cashier's check such public
acquisition of well, my knighted states has brought brown
inevitably into contact with politics. Guys, Mike was in the
late 60s That he encouraged Black Enterprise he has
entertained troops in Vietnam, dined with LBJ at the White
House, and old urged the ghetto youths to distrust violence and
campaigned for Hubert Humphrey
and that's okay
on his own and make up his own mind Right
Adam Curry: yeah I feel I've always felt that James Brown's
legacy was kind of lost in translation somewhere people
don't realize what he did and and what he achieved on his own
it's somehow that just just got lost I'm not I'm not I don't I
think
Moe Factz: it wasn't intentional because listening we were saying
the black man was his own thing. No no no no no we want you to
build something and sell it to us. And they also ruined he
helped him ruin his image. Let's talk about it on the backside of
this clip because I find it okay let me say it like this. What is
James Brown other than music What is he known for? That but
being a drug addict right
Adam Curry: drug addict and he any died during past plastic
surgery. Right but I would say the person that detracted him
that brought him down the most which I which I don't I didn't
know it was intentional was Eddie Murphy. I think what Eddie
Murphy started doing James Brown somehow that diminished his
stature. You might disagree
Moe Factz: I guess I can see that I can see that because it
became a punch line to Joe as it become a punch line Yeah, that's
never good for you overall image but listen to this next clip and
we're talking about on the backside what is so
Unknown: for me it's my life it was my opportunity it was my
knock on the door it was my only guarantee I had and still no
guarantee cielo spiritual solace to
soul as
well didn't never seen a black man do his act so darn it so
precise and usually about class
last a class I mean understand the system not have anything to
take into account mas which I don't have whiskey bottles and
things. Like a lot of entertainers, I have a lot of
drugs Ranma stable. I try to dress everybody by their last
name. Use words Mr. And all that would project even on state and
needed I was trying to come a different type of
Moe Factz: now out of his mouth, not a lot of alcohol around him.
Not a lot of drugs around him. But how did he image become
synonymous with being a drug addict? That is a CNN I didn't
know because I didn't add it in here. Because I mean,
everybody's familiar with it. There's I think a CNN or
headline news interview where he's gone. Have you seen that?
Have you seen the interview before? It's I mean, it's pretty
classic. I mean, I mean level?
Adam Curry: Yeah, probably.
Unknown: Yeah. So
Moe Factz: I just find that weird how his image is taught so
tied to drills but in that he's saying that he does everything
with class. And drugs is not a part of it.
Adam Curry: I have a James Brown story.
Unknown: Please share
Adam Curry: 1982 I visited so I was not an MTV I was I was
82 or 83. I was visiting a friend of mine who I had a
manager and him and my manager as a disc jockey in Holland. And
he had a band called time bandits and they were being
produced by Dan Hartman. Dan Hartman. I can dream about you
didn't know Dan Hartman at all.
Moe Factz: No, I can dream about you. You might have heard. I've
heard that song before.
Adam Curry: Wow, I really nailed it too. And he had a writing
partner, Charlie midnight, and they were writing for Nona.
Hendryx. And I think I think they they might have written a
song for Tina Turner. And so he was also producing the time
bandits and so I was invited to come along. and hang out and he
had a recording studio at his dad died. He died of AIDS, a
movie 10 years after that. And he had a recording studio in
Connecticut at his house. And they wrote live in in America.
And so I'm hanging out there James Brown comes in. And let me
tell you, so this is 1982 or 83. I can't remember exactly. He was
together. He and I've been worn No Cussing. No Cussing around
James. No, no, no, no. And he you know, because he's like,
super, super Christian, super religious, doesn't want any
cussing, to walk right out. And he knew exactly what he wanted
to do. I saw nothing but a professional, who was just there
to work with other professionals and do a great recording. And he
was one of the most and I was literally like, nice to meet
you, Mr. Brown. That's it. Right? I had no interaction. But
he was impressive. So nothing at all, like the image of you know,
the drunk the drug, the druggie, the whatever I mean, the end,
everyone was on their toes. Like, you know, this is James we
got it. We got to buckle up, we got to be really tight. No miss
and no slip ups. No mishaps,
Moe Factz: you may mention about Eddie Murphy, and his imitation
of James Brown. I think James Brown hurt himself the most,
because he stayed around too long. Possible. Instead, not in
a negative way. But sometimes, you know, the, it's kind of like
an athlete. Right? Sometimes you can stay on the field too long.
And you're, it's amazing that you still can't compete at that
level at that age, but it tarnishes your legacy, something
like about Jordan, you know, like Jordan would have stopped
that the second set of three rings, his legacy, his legacy
will be way huger. If that's the word then coming back with the
wizards now that was a businessman, we understand it,
but it's like, ah, you know, like, Yeah, him in the wizards
uniform and looking older and that kind of thing. Right? It
hurt.
Adam Curry: Right? Well, he really he should have got I mean
that living in America that was in Rocky for I want
Moe Factz: to say four. Yeah. Oh, man like that. That's where
he should have
Adam Curry: stopped. That's where he should have bowed out
because he hadn't had to hit for 10 years at that point. So when
he had lived in America, and it was you know, everyone loved it.
It was great. The movie was great. And that should have been
it because yeah, I mean, also, you know, that immediate change,
it was just much easier to make, you know, he could have gone a
lot he could have done anyway. No, bhajan burgeoned,
Moe Factz: but his legacy will never, ever be tarnished from
the fact that he is the foundation of hip hop. Maybe
arguably the original hip hop, MC. You listen to a big payback.
Yeah. You listen to these songs. Will you listen to any of the
songs that were sampled? The fact that the Funky Drummer was
us infinite amount of times and early Hip Hop yeah you know, I
could have went down that road but like I said, this other
people could tell their story Yeah, that's not the story I
want to tell I want to tell James Brown was that man and to
be label the hardest working man in show biz man, anything as a
black man where your identity is tied those laziness and
slothfulness you know saying to be the hardest work of making a
certain amount of money every minute and every and he's the
consummate professional.
Adam Curry: That's that's, that's what I saw. I saw the
consummate professional.
Moe Factz: So you can never take that away from you know, I mean,
LeBron is going through this thing too, with the stand around
too long. You know, it's sometimes you just have to go
and I understand that you. If you got life in your body, you
don't want to give it up. But sometime a game pass you by. But
he's impacted hip hop, undeniable but the clout that he
had in the 60s. This is a clip of him around. I don't know. Let
me slow that down. I want to get into setting up set the stage
for what was happening in the 60s, the time all the
assassinations. Yeah. So this is Martin Luther King. I'm speaking
on Malcolm X's assassination. And the way these assassinations
were done in the order they were done lends to the fact that it
was one big. I don't want to say, plan. But the order and who
was taken out and before who? Because you can't take Martin
out before you take Malcolm out? No, that's right. That's our
recipe for disaster.
Adam Curry: And Malcolm would have been gotten pretty radical.
Moe Factz: And and when people got radical, and he would have
said, they were justify, he wouldn't I want you to hear,
right. I want you to hear Martin Luther King's take on Malcolm X
assassination cover going somewhere. This I gotta I gotta
lay some stuff out. 25?
Unknown: Well, I think we have to agree that this appears to be
the result of an internal conflict within the black
nationalist movement. So the first thing,
Moe Factz: let me translate.
Adam Curry: See, this appears to be CIA, FBI didn't kill
Moe Factz: him. This appears to be black on black crime. Yeah,
that's exactly
Adam Curry: what he's saying. Yes, I can tell you
Unknown: that needs to be done is for a conference of goodwill
to take place between black nationalist leaders. This was
why I suggested a few days ago, that the followers of the late
Malcolm X and the followers of Elijah Muhammad should sit down
at the peace table together, so to speak, and discuss this
problem and try to reach some understanding. I don't think I'm
sure that nothing can be accomplished by violence. It
only leads to new and more complex social problems. I think
it is unfortunate. For the black nationalist movement, I think it
is unfortunate for the health of our nation.
Adam Curry: Now who got blamed for this publicly,
Moe Factz: it was a nation it was a nation of Islam. Members,
that story, the narrative and you see now they're coming back
and say, Oh, it didn't happen like that. And the guys that
were convicted, really didn't do it. But the narrative around it
was Malcolm Mack disrespected Elijah Muhammad, by outing him
and going to the media, outing, Elijah Muhammad for him dealing
with young girls, off code, right, but when you speak
against God in the flesh, and that's how most members at the
time of the nation is now looked at Elijah Muhammad, that was
that was asking for death. Now, I know I'm about to upset a lot
of people which I had to put things in proper context. When
you take an oath, and at the time, not only was the Nation of
Islam, your religion. At the upper realms, there was a
fraternal orders. You know, when you're in a fraternity, there
are certain codes of secrecy that you're held to. Um, I think
Malcolm understood this. Now you can say that evening says he's
even more brave, you know, to know what he was facing, because
he even said himself. If somebody said what he said about
Elijah Muhammad, he would take their life. So we had to put
things in the proper context. But I'm going to let you know
we're going to cover this on another show. Oh, because there
were there were bigger hands in play. I didn't know i'll just
put a period there. But the point I played, the reason why I
played this was the black youth will say, Okay, we understand.
Malcolm was killed by other black people. So we're not going
to riot we're not going to tear up cities. And he was not
preaching non violence like Martin Luther King, then Mr.
Nonviolence No, no say that disrespectfully, but that was
his brand. ends up being shot and killed. Right. And James
Brown. This is James Brown. It was on his YouTube channel. This
is his reaction to the assassination of Martin Luther
King and also the news report.
Unknown: This is a CBS News Special Report. Memphis is a
confused and shocked city tonight. No one can believe what
has happened.
He was standing on the balcony of tomato Andy came out of his
room and came to the edge of the balcony. And as he came out we
shot the
fourth we just got it's fatal. I beg your pardon. We just got the
report that it's fatal. But the shine was the wounds.
I have some very sad news for all of you and people who love
peace all over the world. And that is that Martin Luther King
was shot and was killed tonight
three America is shocked and saddened by the brutal slaying
tonight of Dr. Martin Luther King
Martin died April 4 1968. Something died in black people
every soul we got over this 40 years.
Moe Factz: Okay, so that was not the Coronel were speaking at the
end there. He says something died. I don't think something
died. Or you can look at it that way. What happened would and I
can I'm just putting myself in no shoes at that time. And
please do me cover your kids ears. But that's when the Fuckit
mode came in. It is like you killed Malcolm. Right. Then now
violent, Martin Luther King and you and you say I'll kick you.
Okay, black that was black on black violence as they tried to
payment to be explained Mr. Martin Luther King. He was non
violent. He wouldn't even fight back. Well, you were attacking
him. And you killed him. Oh, it's Oh, now. And what happened
was was a huge amount of rioting and burning of not very smart or
burning your own stuff up. But what do I really own in this
country? Right. That's the market, put myself in their
shoes and say, Yeah, eff it, burn it all up. But just to show
the cloud that James Brown had
Adam Curry: was that saying, Say it loud? Was this that the song
he was singing? They're
Moe Factz: not as another song. Okay. But what my point is this
is that this youth You know, you take out their leaders, you
know, you can't you killed Sam Cooke. Okay. Then you killed
Malcolm B. You killed Martin, you know, as a young person. You
saw what George Floyd? Yeah, just one. Yeah. Yeah, one person
that we didn't even know. And you saw that I imagine somebody
that you seen on the television, aren't they? I could equate that
to is maybe Obama. Yeah. You know, I mean of stature and
status.
Adam Curry: You know, just for Matt Harrison. Just for
comparison executives for comparison
Moe Factz: of clout in notoriety, you know, and just of
being recognized, and to be non violent, and you're just killing
one after another after another and the young people are like,
eff it. You know what, burn it up. I don't care if it's mine
burn it up. But I say this to say like you were saying about
James Brown and his clout. The fact that James Brown could say
Boston is amazing 27.
Unknown: If you are tuned in to WGBH, expecting to catch
Laurence Olivier's production of Chekhov's Uncle Vanya, you were
probably more than a little surprised to see James Brown
tearing up the stage of the Boston Garden.
In Boston that night, it was like when the Beatles were on Ed
Sullivan. I mean, it was a monumental event.
During the first hour. It was so clear from the reports coming in
from the police. That this concert was like magic the city
was was quieter than it would have been on an ordinary Friday
night. Never, never, never mind. The big problem was there was
nothing happening. Nobody was on the street.
Adam Curry: And this this I know because this is broadcast
history. This is because they televised it. They televised the
concert. Yes, that's That's why everyone was at home watching
it.
Moe Factz: To save the city. Yeah.
Unknown: And it worked.
Moe Factz: So does that mean that all the clip? Yeah, that
yeah, that ended there. Okay, so what what we witnessed is the
precursor to what we talked about in this show 17 of rioting
in the theaters.
Unknown: These films, they help quell those riots. Because
remember, we had the Kerner Commission study and why we had
all these riots. These films helped to calm that down. I
called it rioting in the movie theaters. Because all of our
anger and our anks we were able to meet and seeing people who
look like us kick the white man's behind. And what was the
subtitle of blaxploitation get Whitey for every drop of black
blood spilled? A white man pays. He had a plan to stick it to the
man, the man see, we were beating the man. And so I call
it rioting in the movie theater. Because this was writing without
destroying anything. It was a catharsis for us.
Adam Curry: I forgot all about that. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 17
Sure, sure. And go into a black movie theater is always an
experience.
Moe Factz: But the point is that they realize, oh, we put
something on television or the movie screen that shows them no
matter what they're doing on that screen. And no matter how
it makes us live, we read them do that because the the rioting
that they're talking about from show 17 was the Martin Luther
King riots. So they realize is like okay, we can we Okay, all
right. We can give them movies, we can give them rap music. We
can let them show guns and talk about how bad they are. How
tough they are.
Adam Curry: Get right, stick it to the man
Moe Factz: who wanted the biggest Hip Hop movie. Whoa,
who's the man? Yeah, Dre. I love ya. So this is that okay, we can
let them roll play cause play and it takes the it takes the
sting out of it. And then we can select who we want to put on on
the screen. We can make their heroes for not saying James
Brown was that way but they learned something from that like
whoa, hold on. There was less crime than it normally is.
That's all it took was puts it but what we see now is rioting
on your timeline.
Adam Curry: Yeah, controlled.
Moe Factz: This is where all I'm gonna go down the hate tweet.
All sides, right. You're looking at looking for a scout. You
know, everybody's looking for a scout. Yeah, I think you
mentioned something. There was a Twitter replacement is not
Macedon. But sky blue or something like them sky blue sky
blue sky. And you said that it wasn't successful? Cuz you
couldn't retweet? No, that was that was actually Mastodon you
couldn't call us tweet? Right, which we call it ducking,
dunking. Yeah. Which is rioting on the Timeline. Let me find
somebody and make a victim out of them. Yeah. So they
understand how this whole thing wrapped up is okay. And
sometimes you got to let them go out in the streets and give them
bricks you know, and let them let off a little steam. No,
Adam Curry: they completely completely controlled and like
the Floyd stuff was, you know, it was during a pandemic. It's
okay, go ahead. It's fine. Go for it.
Moe Factz: Right and then come on back in and find somebody
they all hate this person on social media and let's all find
somebody and drag them that's another word. Let's drag them
and this is the rioting on the timeline. Um, but what happened
out of this is the youth stop looking for older people to beat
a leaders race because it's like all this peace talk and upset it
on here. I'm sorry. But if you hurt one of my family members, I
ain't I ain't trying to hear no peace and by forgive you will
get to forgiveness later me and Jesus work that out. You know,
I'm just telling you I I'm Old Testament alpha i kind of guy.
Because that's justice to me. If you take something for me,
something needs to take it for you. But it's become socially
expected to all your family first of all, peace and peace.
All we paid for by forgiving them already. The body still
warm, I forgive them already. No, that's not how this works.
And what you have happen is you have somebody like Fred Hampton,
and the Black Law on Black Panther Party rise to the top.
And this is Fred Hampton for October 9 1969. I think he was
killed and December 4 1969 was a few months before his death. And
we were I noticed this my birthday and you're saying 11
years before my birthday was died and he died on um, but I
want you to hear the switch from the Malcolm X and the Martin
Luther King to the Fred Hampton and you're going to hear Hip Hop
coming out of his mouth, not the beat, but you're going to hear
that vibe, but we talked about in 93 that energy that higher
infinite power, being you know, flowing out of him 28
Unknown: bread, where does the Black Panther Party stand
concerning the weatherman, the SDS,
we stand way back from SDS, the weatherman, because we believe
that the weatherman actually has two axes rim to the weatherman,
we think they call them both national x and we painted rim to
his national action with a man has national reaction, you know,
we think it is an artistic opportunist, the individualistic
is chauvinistic. turistic. And that's the bad part about this
customer stick in that is, leaders take people into
situations where people can be massacred, and they call it
revolution is nothing but child's play is folly. And it's
criminal because people can be heard, we see that they're doing
exactly what the pigs want them to do when they take people down
and just do nothing play around and the pigs are prepared for
this and they wipe all of those young people out. We think these
people may be sincere, but they're misguided the metalheads
in the scatterbrains the only way we can show them is to
criticize and like we're doing right now. I mean, leave me and
go to the Federal Bureau and have a demonstration that's the
educated demonstration that is disciplined and organized. And
that's we're gonna have to do let them see the exam
Adam Curry: early Chuck D.
Unknown: And
Moe Factz: Beiter have of his was Jesse Jackson. Yeah, yes, of
course. Jesse kind of played that role between Malcolm
misgiving between Martin and Hampton with the you know, with
the Ryman but then he also had he came up through Alpha
piggybacking off from a Martin. So you hear now, it's the next
clip. And this is the beautiful thing about with the internet,
because they leave the outtakes in when they posted stuff online
on YouTube and stuff. So now we get to hear had an immediate?
Can you do that one more time? kind of
Adam Curry: ask the question again. Can you answer one more
time but just say this 29
Unknown: Tell me why you feel the approach of the SDS
weatherman is wrong.
I feel it is wrong. Just that said before.
Just just said before, that's why I asked you again just
answered straight was in case we use this part. Let's see. Let me
ask again. Why do you feel that the approach of the SDS
weatherman is the wrong approach?
I feel that it's wrong because it's being you're doing exactly
what the people want them to do. The leading people into a
situation that is astronomical situation too great for the
people to deal with. It's a situation where you got a bunch
of mechanical pigs with 357 magnums and shot guns and
mechanical maze and all that type of thing. And then they're
talking about they're going to carry on a revolutionary
struggle. That's not a revolution. It's insanity. It's
madness this nostalgia and is the master but this was
potential massacre. That's what it is. We don't support that.
We've got we've said our power to the people all the power was
manifested in the people we don't have any people whose
lives we believe that should be thrown away to
Moe Factz: nothing he was on the night 21 I believe Oh, really?
Unknown: Oh, oh, wow. Yeah,
Moe Factz: he was very young. Very young based now they said
no, he can't. And he grabbed this was actual cream rising to
the top. I the ashes comes a Fred Hampton Oh, of the Malcolm
and Martin. They said no, we can't have that. Oh, no. Because
it wasn't that. You know, I think you know, the well
polished thing is he had that time and he had that. You know
what? We talked about the infinite power flowing through
them. And it resonates. They say Oh, no. And this is the black
Messiah, not him. No. Specifically, but this is What?
Jager Q J. Edgar, who were feared of having a black person
get the ear of the street youth? Oh, no, that's a problem, boo.
They negros, that's fine. She was saying, like, they can sit
in their panels in their conferences and discuss about
notice. Theoretically what we're working on when you have people
actually causing change on the streets. That's a problem. And
it has to be dealt with immediately. Well, they shared
this. So let's go ahead and wrap up with this final clip number
30.
Unknown: Why do you think the weatherman SDS tried to link the
Black Panther Party to its movement?
I don't know if it was actually the weatherman of SDS, I have to
say to do with the establishment press that has nothing but a
tool of war Nixon's machine. We call them war, Nixon, because
the whole world is penitentiary and he just wanted the whole
world. And you see, these people have just an arm he uses for
fascist oppression, you know, and I think that the these
fascist news media might be a bad thing. If you don't struggle
correctly, you shouldn't struggle. But you should
struggle. We said that a struggling you data when that
not to struggle, and you don't deserve the win. But we have to
struggle properly.
What about the special approach of weatherman, which seems to be
violence? Well,
you see, it's, I don't think it's really valid. I think it's
just a lot of family and a lot of child's play. I think that to
have balance, you've got to be able to cope with violence. And
that's what the Black Panther, Black Panther party a lot of
people say with, with with a self defense organization that
believes that the people should be educated what's going on? We
Yes, we do defend our offices, we do defend our homes. This is
a constitutional right. Everybody has nothing funny
about that. The only reason they get mad at the Black Panther
Party when you do it is for the simple reason that we're
political. And they don't want to admit this. There are a lot
of young organizations around but we're a political
organization. We are organization that understands
that politics is nothing but war without bloodshed and war is
nothing but politics with
Adam Curry: that right there is what got him killed right there
at the end
Moe Factz: bars. Now. That's, that's, can we hear that again?
That's bars. Here we go.
Unknown: It was going on? We Yes, we do defend our offices,
we do defend our homes. This is a constitutional right.
Everybody has nothing funny about it. The only reason they
get mad at the Black Panther Party when you do it is for the
simple reason that we're political. And they don't want
to admit this. There are a lot of young organizations around
we're a political organization. We are organization that
understands that politics is nothing but war without
bloodshed and war is nothing but politics with bloodshed.
Moe Factz: See, yeah, that's that's the early marks or hip
hop, right there. When you can say something like that, and it
resonates and then it becomes a slogan or a catchphrase
Adam Curry: that's dangerous
Moe Factz: right there. That's, that's very dangerous. And you
know what happens when he was taught like that 31
Unknown: Good afternoon, a 20 year old chairman of the
Illinois Black Panther Party, Fred Hampton, was shot and
killed in a predawn shootout with State's Attorneys police on
his West Side apartment, and other party member. 22 year old
Mark Clark of Peoria also died in the shootout, which left four
Panthers and two police officers wounded. State's Attorneys.
Police said they were fired upon when they tried to enter the
apartment at 2337. West Monroe on a search warrant issued for
possession of illegal weapons. Three more panther party members
are in police custody in connection with the shooting.
Mr.
Carmody when you knocked on the door? What happened? Well, I
didn't actually NAC I heard our officers at the front announced
their office and shots fired. So I kicked in the back door. And
as soon as the door opened, I could see shots being fired at
us at the door. Was it lighted inside? Yes. The whole
apartment. The the kitchen was lit in the front room was the
bedrooms were dark. Did you know At that time, approximately how
many people were inside? No, we had no idea. Did you know that?
They were Black Panthers. No, we didn't we just know that we were
informed that there were guns and contraband in the building.
You have information that indicate that Fred Hampton might
be there. Not to my knowledge.
Right on Hamptons apartment was conducted by the State's
Attorney's Office acting on a tip from an informant that there
were illegal guns down.
Adam Curry: Yeah, it was like 100 shots. Like this sprayed the
whole department
Moe Factz: legal and gets another death which angered more
youth because now you took one of theirs. Malcolm Martin they
were one of theirs but a young black person that they resonated
with and that was it. That was it. Yeah. That was that would
end that goes to show you what we're talking about here. 19
this a 1976 3053 54 years. We run around killing people.
Adam Curry: Yeah, that'll set the stage.
Moe Factz: And then you have a bunch of angry
Adam Curry: black men,
Moe Factz: black young men. Because it's okay. Yeah, it's
like that ha right of civil rights and we've seen some
progress. And now all of a sudden you do this in a couple
years. You wipe out everybody. Yeah, you wonder why they're so
angry. And and this is just to bring it in modern context. That
same anger is brewing right now. Yes, as anger is brewing right
now, I kept telling everybody when they broke that glass and
2020
Adam Curry: Yeah, when the the umbrella umbrella people.
Moe Factz: Yes. But the metaphor of civility? Yes. When that
glass was broken, it hasn't been repaired. Now it's presenting
itself. It's crime and outlaw behavior. But what's the context
under that? Because you can say the same thing about the rioting
of the 60s. Now, what was the cause of that, but we'll get
more into that on the back side. But I think we need to think
some more people.
Adam Curry: Yes. And we do that with new money.
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Moe Factz: All right, so we spoke about the black Messiah
and J Edgar Hoover. And this goes all the way back to Marcus
Garvey. No good. He's had this fear. Yeah, he had we talked
about it on one episode. He called it a Black Tiger, I
think. Um, yeah, he had a he, him being a self loathing black
man himself. He understands the impact of the high infinite
power. And he's, he's been very well, he was very active in
trying to stamp this thing out because he understood the
implications. So we have not other than Minister Louis
Farrakhan. And he's going to speak on the concept of the
black Messiah and the possible impact 33
Unknown: Does our community and a lot of times on this program
we hear the cynicism of the people about leadership, in that
broad sense, black leadership, and it's almost like everybody's
waiting for a shining black knight on a Black Stallion to
come and rescue almost 40 million African Americans do we
need to understand as a community that there will never
be one leader anymore?
I would not exactly agree with that. Okay. Because J Edgar
Hoover was a wise man. And he more than black people
understood that whenever you have a people suffering,
injustice, deprived of those natural rights that God has
given to all of us, the longer the deprivation, the greater the
need, and then God answers that need through the womb of a
woman. And that person may be a Moses figure, a Jesus figure, a
messianic figure. So J. Edgar Hoover was watching the horizon
of black America, because he understood that principle, that
law, and so he was looking for the rise of a black Messiah.
Moe Factz: And Obama actually played into this team played
into this. And there's an image with all the pastors and
everybody laying hands on Obama. He's standing there and you have
all these cards, you mean reaching and touching him? I
would
Adam Curry: say that even Rush Limbaugh played into it by
calling him the anointed one. I mean, it was from all sides.
Moe Factz: I forgot about that. That's so they understood. And
this is bigger than black at this point. I know no press
people are look here for somebody that can it's not about
action. It's about inspiration. Obama saying change you're gonna
believe in hope and change. Hope and Change just hope, a pitcher
him with the word hope not. Right, inspired a bunch of young
people to believe there's gonna be something better. Now that
was a trick bag. I'll say. Right. but yet and still, I
mean, you had the same thing with Mandela, you go all the way
around the world, you know, it's always this figure that's gonna
come out and bring a word for
Adam Curry: it all the way back all the way to Cory Booker. Mo.
Moe Factz: No. And did you see that pink outfit he wore?
Adam Curry: That's why he asked me. Why was top of mind.
Moe Factz: Tell me you're not interested in women without
telling me you're not interested in that? Come on, Cory. Come on.
Like it's pretty bad. Or we love you. But it's not that we have
this stain for these people is that how can you be wired like
I'm wired. And not understand how you're being used. every
word I say on this podcast, this is part of the quality control.
The thing is that I had to run it through the loop of how can
it be misconstrued by my naysayers? How can it be used
against me? How can you you know, how can it be
misunderstood by my supporters? Right? You know, you have to do
you have to do that? I mean, in this is not just heavy topics.
In rap, they have a thing called Paul's or no homo, because you
can say something. And you made it one way this is that do the
double meaning a double entendre thing. And it can be taken as
well, that sounded kind of off putting, you know, for example,
for people to have no agenda listeners, John's next story.
Right, like, we know, he's actually talking about a guy
eating pain that's on an airplane. But that's a major
pause, because it's like, whoa. And so I took it and put it into
music. Well,
Adam Curry: that was actually me. We had some reproduction.
Moe Factz: Because it's too good to pass. Oh. Yeah. So that's,
that's my point. That's why we give these people a hard time
because it's like, ain't their infinite power flowing through
you. And we all have different types of infinite power. But
ours is just, I don't know, it's just something that's unique to
us. And like I say, everybody has their superpower. And every
group of people have our suit has superpowers with that word,
and that feeling behind the word like you said they yield from
James Brown. Oh, I'm glad I thought about that. That guy
with the missing F 35.
Adam Curry: Yes. Oh, wait, I have him I have my the You mean
the the witness the eyewitness? Yes. Here he is.
Moe Factz: This is James Brown, it is totally James Brown.
That's why it resonated with people. But he didn't know why
it resonated with him. You know, it's that whatever that the
energy behind that you, like we felt it. You say like, yeah, he
line,
Adam Curry: a whole clip of that guy is phenomenal. He's awesome.
He's He's absolutely on point.
Moe Factz: And he's from South Carolina as well, you know, down
in a you go. So there's something there. But let's get
back to the J. Edgar Hoover. And Farrakhan.
Unknown: Once that individual comes up and is crowned by God
with knowledge, then a whole host of leaders come up around
messianic knowledge. And so what I see today is no one leader can
solve this problem. No one organization can solve the
problem. But a great black man was among us, in the person of
the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And that man left us with a body
of knowledge and a programmatic thrust that is bigger than Louis
Farrakhan or Jesse Jackson or Reverend Al Sharpton. These are
brilliant men. But the disconnect, brother Amos, is
that our learning people are disconnected from the suffering
of the masses. We have knowledge, but how do we
transmit that knowledge to the masses of our peoples, like
the talented 10 have just gone on and they're staying at the
highest and then live in large and the rest of the 90 are
suffering?
I don't want to say just like that, for the amis. I say the
talented 10 have been pulled away from their community and
taken into corporate America. But they too, are suffering from
the glass ceiling. They can only go as high as somebody else will
determine for them. So they're dissatisfied. They're angry.
Adam Curry: Man, no wonder we had to make him go away to
marginalize him. Correct.
Moe Factz: And he never He even experienced of loss of the US
air. Tom, in the late 80s when it came to Khalil Muhammad. No,
they were he was more hip hop, the Farrakhan was. So these
older artists, olders figures, it's hard to stay current. But
it's necessary to stay current. Because you have to speak the
lingo. And if you don't, you don't even have to speak it. But
you have to be able to hear it. Because as we spoke before,
about this generation, they have a hard time articulating
themselves because of the dumbed down nature. Yes, of, of
education of entertainment, that oftentimes, they become angry
because they have the lack of words to express how they
actually feel. Yeah, good point. So you actually had the here I,
I hear you or your poster, I feel you. Because even though it
might be a couple of words, I understood the implied nature
behind those couple of words, and Malcolm X spoke about this.
And we talked about on our show 55 This is a throwback clip
about the ghetto hustler.
Unknown: I knew that the great lack of most of the big name
negro leaders was their lack of any true report with the ghetto
negros. How could they have report when they spend most of
their time integrating with white people? I knew that the
ghetto people knew that I never left the ghetto in spirit, and I
never lived it physically any more than I had to. I had a
ghetto instinct. And because I had been a hustler, I knew
better than all whites new and better than nearly all the black
leaders knew that actually the most dangerous black man in
America was the ghetto hustler. Why do I say this? The Hustler
out there in the ghetto jungles has less respect for the white
power structure than any other Negro in North America. The
ghetto hustler is internally restrained by nothing. He has no
religion, no concept of morality, no civic
responsibility, no fear, nothing to survive. He is out there
constantly preying upon others probing for any human weaknesses
like a ferret. The ghetto hustler is forever frustrated,
restless and anxious for some action. Whatever he undertakes,
he commits himself to it fully. Absolutely. What makes the
ghetto hustler yet more dangerous is his glamour image
to the school drop allowed us in the ghetto.
Oh,
all right. There it is.
Moe Factz: The image that goes back to how to sell to Negro,
the Gucci, that nice cars, and also the not being in your
natural enemy of the power structure caught because of your
criminality. But nonetheless, you're a natural enemy of the
power structure, right. And this is helping our people. I think
people got it misconstrued that people will just choose to have
a life of crime some do. I'm not saying they don't. But all the
times you're thrusted into a life of crime
Adam Curry: grow up, grow up in it, that's what happens.
Moe Factz: In not even grow. Yeah, but you have some people
like the producer that wrote in and said with the credit card,
and you know, it is easy to get what your back against the wall
out. Like I tell everybody all the time before my children go
hungry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I got to get it. However, I got to get
it. Now. I have other ways of getting it. Because God has
blessed me with multiple talents. But if I was not as
blessed, I don't Can I don't condemn people for doing what
they have to do. Now it comes to to the point where you don't
hurt other people. But you it becomes killer BQ eat or be
eaten?
Adam Curry: I think we're at that actuation on a quite a
large scale right now in America. Right the world
actually.
Moe Factz: And it was very crappy Obama and I know I'm
harping on Obama. But I want to point something out. It was very
crafty of him to bring the rappers in. Right, he brought
them in and gave them privilege access to power. Come on, come
to the Oval Office. And we'll have concerts at the White
House. Because these are the natural enemies of the system of
white supremacy. Naturally, yes, left unchecked. But no, we'll
bring you in. Come on. Come on. Yeah, come in. Now. It's Oh,
man, Obama cool. Now that, you know, that's how you get nobody
question anything he did. It's amazing highs like, okay, like
you were saying about Trump? How do you go from eight years of
that, and then all of a sudden, you're politically aware, you
know, an orange MAN show when you were cool with Orange Man?
Not 10 years, not five years ago, right. So that's, that's
they they aware, aware that we have to co op the rappers. So
they bring in the street youth. And we can push them these the
agenda that we want to push? Well, one, perhaps
Adam Curry: even better than that is we we create them, we
select them, we create them, we control them, we bring them in
make it look like it's organic.
Moe Factz: Right. And then we tie them like we heard with the
politicians and the record labels, we tied them here at the
hip, all to do what all to control that higher infinite
power, so they can help our people hip hop, I'm gonna say it
again. They can show the higher infinite power, so we can't help
our people. That's the road and when it comes to me, as I was
taught, too much is given much is required. I had to use his
talent. And I told you they've been trying to get me since I've
been in seventh grade. Yes. When I won the Treasury election,
they put me on the freedom router bus. Yeah, and roaming
around town and it made me feel special. And you're talented.
10th. Right. This is this I you know, I was like, Nah, all
because it would all because the hip hop. I'm gonna talk about
another event my life, but it's one thing on the backside of
this clip, because it's, it's tied to the clip, but one person
that never talked to you about and was so instrumental to hip
hop was Clarence, Clarence, Clarence 13x. And that's the
person credited with creating the 5% or the 5% nation. Um,
this it ties into the 85% of dumb deaf and blind the 10% You
know, the plus because of the poor and then evolved left over
they get it right, that they're the poor, righteous teachers
that posted enlighten the the 85. And so let's listen to his
story of 36 And I'm gonna tell you how it impacted me on the
backside.
Unknown: black youth poor flocking to brother Clarence,
like the world was coming to an end. And this is the same guy,
the Nation of Islam fired and said he wasn't good enough for
them. Now all of a sudden, they want to talk things over.
Clarence knows that they don't mean him any good. Captain
Joseph is still taking the backup data approach, because he
knows it will be a feather in his cap, and he might get up if
he can bring brother clarinets back in possibly to get him to
rejoin the nation of Islam, and make him a minister, bringing
with him the 1000s of youth. He's influenced with the Captain
Joseph is trying a gentle, soft spoken approach, or having a
hissy fit. Nothing is working. And he's getting exhausted. He
tells himself, he might try it one more time. Meanwhile,
brother Clarence, his popularity is still growing. black and
Puerto Rican youth are still being attracted to clearances.
5% nation
Adam Curry: I know about the 5% I didn't know Clarence 13x
Moe Factz: I think that's it goes here.
Adam Curry: I get it. Yeah, sure.
Moe Factz: That's the marginalization but his message
is worldwide because rock him even melee mail on the message
when he says a child is born with no state of mind block to
the ways of mankind. He was down with the 5% nation. This is what
they're this that that the message that was tied in with
what Clarence was teaching. Also, when old our old dirty
bastard get up there say Wu Tang is for the keys at the Grammys.
This is what he's talking about, because Clarence was targeting
the youth. And it's counter to what white supremacy teaches
that whites are basically this the Nietzsche thing that we are
God. This is why they walk around the earth like they do
the Bill Gates of the world and make the decisions of eugenics
and they things of that nature, because they feel like their guy
Claire said, Nah, your God. Now I don't subscribe to that in the
literal sense. But we all got some God in us. We're all made
in the image of God. And you can't you can't go around
teaching black kids that you know they are gods, ya know, in
and when I said that made me think about Aquarius, I am a
God. This this is baked in the hip hop. This message is baked
in. Wu Tang is one I can say Rock Camp introduced us. You saw
an early hip hop and is what I fell in love with. We opened the
clip up with jewelry to damage her. Yeah, same thing. He had a
lot of imagery of the other nation in his raps rock him you
know that stabbing, with the crescent. These are things I'm
looking like wow, like man, like a little kid like, man, like you
had Karis worn with the black Moses and the tablets and his
video and it's like it's blowing your mind. And the reason why
this ties in a life changing trip, I took on a Greyhound. I
was maybe eight, nine years old. And it was two Gods on the
Greyhound that everybody knows if you ever rode a greyhound a
three, three hour car ride is gonna be like nine hours on
great.
Adam Curry: I've done the Greyhound from Pennsylvania to
Florida. I know.
Moe Factz: Jesus, you wish to get there last week
Adam Curry: when the bus breaks and the pee just rolls forward
from the toilet in the back.
Moe Factz: Yeah, that's bad. So on that bus me and my brother
coming from our grandma's house and my parents car broke down so
they had to put us on the bus and I was nine My brother was 13
You can't do that nowadays you can't put it on a 13 year old
and a greyhound sir but you know they'd had a thing where they
could tag you to where the bus driver kind of like you know
kept Oh sure. But it was it was two Gods on there. They were
coming and I forgot them they could refer to themselves. They
were coming from San lameer somewhere and they were going to
New York so they were on there for the whole trip and they were
just telling us like you know you are used to you know you
come from that and like my brother you fell asleep now
eaten it up. You will say like they say oh porking jello and
don't drink or soda because it lowers your sperm count. Yeah,
great thing Tell nine year old but still then knowledge was so
attractive. You know, because they didn't have they were
friendly and nice. And, um, and we gonna look out for your
little brother, you're saying you're good at it. So, when you
start when I put two and two together like oh, that's what
they were saying the same thing in the rap videos, you know,
when he talked about the dumb, deaf and blind and then like I
said, with Wu Tang, Wu Tang, this made it worldwide, which I
think why Wu Tang had to be marginalized. Because it doesn't
make any sense. A group that big disappears. Now they've been
brought back in their later years. But they were
marginalized for a long period of time. And I think it was
because of their message cut their biggest album
commercially, will take forever opens up with a six minute song
from Papa Wu. When not Besides, he's not rapping he's dropping
up with science. And it's the fat this is where the
conspiratorial nature comes from. Oh, there's a bigger, a
bigger play going on. It's a small group of people that's
controlling the world and most people can't see it. And if you
can't see it, you have a duty not to operate it you have a
duty to speak out against it. Massa just an interesting story
that I like to share, because that shaped me as a nine year
old kid. Um, you can be proud and you can have black children
having pride in a system of white supremacy, you got to have
some tacky trashy or terroristic that's the only operating system
we allow. And it's theirs net we live in. So I say all that to
say I know that was a bit of a rant.
Adam Curry: Thank you for sharing that. That's beautiful.
I love it.
Moe Factz: Yeah, so that that's what you know, that's my goal.
And honestly, people I don't do this for money is nice to get
value back. But I was doing this before he was saying before I
ever commoditize it because even with my music, I wouldn't let it
be no pimped out. No, you're not going to take my beats and rap
crazy stuff over. No, I can't, I can't stand for I can't, I can't
can't do that. But 37 This is a young brother speaking in 1967
exactly about what I was saying about the youth and their
importance, and actually how they're going to lead their
parents
Unknown: face. As you see the children greet the world and
peace and they are the future generations, then peace. This is
the work of the sons of Allah. This the work that come out
through the to the add on life to generation to come ahead to
be always in life. These are our foundation. We are here to save
the children of the world. The parents in the very near future
when they see themselves not fit to educate and qualify the
children will come and recommend them to be a factor setter and
attune the guy to do the job to teach the parents to be
civilized people. Because the world is uncivilized. And these
our words, our children, and all come in the name of where the
Supreme Being that God made a different change, that we'll be
seeing misery that live in love, peace and happiness.
Adam Curry: To who's who's a Five Percenter and hip hop
today, ma
Moe Factz: Ah, I know Jay Electronica. He kind of strong
line between the NOI and the 5%. I've seen Jay Z Jay Z know
what's up. And that's the other thing that irks me I was a huge
JD Don't get it twisted, huge ad fan when he was kind of like
trying to be Barry Gordy. It's like, okay, you're gonna be a
Rockefeller. But the answer your question in a short way is it's
rappers you probably wouldn't have heard of, probably nobody
can tell it. Like they I mean, nobody could tell like it. But
at the same time, it influenced every everybody. You know, it's
the influences there. And it's not to say it's not specific to
what their beliefs are. It's the fact that there's a bigger play
at hand. I said before, when I heard about the Illuminati was
due to rap, rap songs. It was prodigy, you know, saying yeah,
Illuminati want my mind, soul and my body Yeah, it wasn't like
that resume. It's like oh, okay, what is the Illuminati got to
Tupac come back the kid Luminati you know so this is this is
where hip hop is very conspiratorial and this I think
this is the core of it.
Adam Curry: Because you think guys like Jay Z still slip stuff
in that gets through that resonates? Oh yeah.
Moe Factz: Oh especially the album with him and Jay
Electronica may mean that I don't know, I don't know what
the play is, but you can't not unsee what you see, but I don't
know how he cannot see himself at the team person either. But
I'm not in your shoes. But he always lose. I'm just, I'm
sneaking in soccer open the back door. That kind of thing is, I
don't think so. Because if you did now going back to be honest
and bring it full circle, the nation believed that a woman
should cover and I'm saying things like 85% Her body 75% of
her body with cloth. I think it's 35. Um, so you're not let
your woman run around here like you do. Um, so that's, that's
the point of it. And I just wanted to give. This is the
latest iteration of that black Messiah. And they thought they
could raise him. But you can't erase Wu Tang. You can't erase
prodigy. You can't erase NAS. You can't erase rock in the
can't erase drag electronica and I can just keep going down the
list. Brand new being you can't erase them, you know, large
amount is blocked. Lord Jamar is probably the biggest and most
popular 5% And right now. I will say
Adam Curry: I have seen he has some I have some listening to
do. Yeah.
Moe Factz: Yeah, and this is the music is actually good. That's
the point. Is not that all I'm listening to this because you
know, kind of like when you listen to church music, it's
like it's a substitute. No, the music actually good. And it was
embedded with just a whole host. And me being a Christian. I'm
not espousing their beliefs. What I'm espousing is, we have
to realize that it's only a few of us. If you do the math out of
every 100 people you meet only five of them and no one's gonna
know what's up and not weaponizing it other people.
Adam Curry: And they all listen to mo facts. Every single
believe so every single one of those comments. It is of course,
but
Moe Factz: what you know what though? That's, I heard some of
that and no agenda when you're talking about Shut up slaves.
And he was saying you're human. It wasn't your human resource.
No, but what the girl was the girl saying when they're
marching your human
Adam Curry: pigs in human clothing? Yeah.
Moe Factz: That's how they look at us is not an honor. Because
like even Claire 30 as not now you're just not about race. Um,
as much as it's about, you know, because this is the flesh
through. It's about the spirit. Yeah. What time you operate. No,
but I'm not to belabor the point. Let's go ahead and get
into 3038. And this is more about Clarence.
Unknown: To loyalists, who were always near brother Claridge,
was a brother named Yoo hoo, who was like a Minister of
Information, who was hardly seen without his boombox, where he
dialed in, alternating between news and black music stations.
No one had a bigger record collection than brother Yoo hoo,
solo, r&b, jazz, you name it. He had it. But brother yoo hoo
rules collection was no match for what the FBI had. They
purchased everything you who caught and went over each song
with a fine tooth comb, because they wanted to know what the
Five Percenters were listening to. The agents could recite and
sing the lyrics backwards. They could tell you what the latest
dance crazes were in the black community. And due to stigma
black leaders were putting out tell you where you could go to
get the best soul food in town. Knew what you ate for breakfast,
lunch and dinner. What your favorite snacks were Bureau
wasn't playing when it came to securing what they established.
Moe Factz: Now. Once again, yeah, these intelligence
agencies He's keeping their ear to the ground. keeping their eye
open for that next Messiah. Megan is not gonna stop
Adam Curry: makes you wonder about Ari Melber, doesn't it?
Moe Factz: I've always had,
Adam Curry: he's always reciting Hip Hop lyrics. Like you're
such. You're so your sauce. Dude.
Moe Factz: You're very he's a last. He's the least hip person.
There is. Yeah. Reason why I say that is like it's not
appropriate how he uses the bar.
Adam Curry: Oh, no. Not at all.
Moe Factz: Just cost you note a lot. I don't mean you will say
like, you know how to use it. This is why you can have the
clothes but you got to know how to wear it. Right. Exactly.
Yeah. So I guess I would like to wrap up. And in all fairness, to
let you know, I don't pick favorites. I don't have no
faith. I think anybody should be critiqued. This is where I kind
of look inside out at Farrakhan cuz he spoke about the 10% that
the who say the Al Sharpton is in the Jesse Jackson's of the
world. And like, oh, you gave him a pass. Now this is him
explaining the duties of the Faber center in the next two
clips. And then like when you listen to what he says, like
bruh, I understand why you don't want to kind of refer nobody
feathers. But yeah, they 10% They bloodsuckers of the poor
39,
Unknown: the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said to us, that there
is 5% Who are the poor, righteous teachers who don't
believe the teaching of lies of the 10%. But this 5% All lies
and know who the true and living God is. And they teach that the
true and living God is the son of man, the Supreme Being the
black man of Asia. They're also known as civilized people,
Muslims and Muslim sons. Here is a small percentage of people who
know God. And when they know God, they have a duty. And that
duty is to teach what you know, to those who do not know.
Yes to duty, yeah. Well fulfilled.
Moe Factz: You can't you can't you know, you can't keep your
pearls to yourself. Now, you don't cast your pearls before
swine either. No, yeah. But you, you you have to offer them to be
had. And you know, and if it's not accepted, you just keep
moving. But, um, that's the purpose. Now, I guess we can
wrap up with 40, where he goes further into his point
Unknown: goes of us who are in pursuit of that duty, have 10%,
the rich, the bloodsuckers of the poor, the slave makers of
the poor, they hate the 5%. They have control over 85%. So they
turn the 85% against the righteous teacher. This is how
they've been able to kill the profits, kill the communities,
because the leaders who are the blood suckers of the poor, have
control over the minds of the masses, and they feed the
masses, more lies about a righteous teacher, so that the
righteous teacher will be persecuted by the 10%, not
helped by the 85% so that they can kill the righteous teacher.
But a new thing is happening today. A new thing is happening
today. The masses white, brown, red, yellow, and black, to be
told the truth. And when the masses are told the truth, they
will be free from the web of lies of the 10% who have made
slaves of the poor, and who are the blood suckers of the poor.
And the number one blood sucker of the poor today is the United
States government of America.
Adam Curry: Shut that man up.
Moe Factz: That'll make you very unpopular.
Adam Curry: very unpopular. Oh, man.
Moe Factz: Mr. Curry, I like to ask you one question before we
wrap the show. Sure. Do you not find it strange?
Unknown: That the talented 10th
Moe Factz: Is is who they elevate is who was supposed to
say black people is not a strange number. Isn't that the
isn't that? Do you find that? Sure. I don't want to lead the
witness. Do you find that strange or? Well, they are.
Okay, hold on a second. Let me read this.
Adam Curry: Let me regret the question because when you say
talented 10th I'm thinking immediately about you being
selected as one of the talented 10th But
Moe Factz: that's the Boulais that's the goal. That's that was
a WEB DuBois. Let me flesh it out a little bit. THE WEB DuBois
plan was elevate tempers in our race. And now pull up the other
90% is these numbers. These numbers are five just strange,
strangely coincidental.
Adam Curry: I wish I could give you an answer Mo. Do you mean
the 10%? The 85%? The 5%?
Moe Factz: Yes. So let me I guess I'll just get my own
question.
Adam Curry: You're gonna have to. Okay.
Moe Factz: They tell us count though your 10% to elevate the
whole race. But what I know is the 10% is actually the
bloodsuckers bogged down and other 85 blood so it's, it's
like you lead me into that burning house? How can I trust
them? They're the bloodsuckers. Where you can't lay is the
blood. Now you see why I'm so hard and under blue light is not
personal. Y'all are the slave makers.
Adam Curry: And they know it. They know it.
Moe Factz: And that's what I was asked. That was the you answer
my question you say perfectly. Do you think they know or not?
You're? The Of course, that's why I have a heart. That's why I
keep my foot on their neck.
Adam Curry: I mean, I can because it's funny because
whenever you say Boulais whenever we talk about boo,
like, I can't help but see Charlamagne tha God, he seems
like the perfect example of the boot. Now he has Boulais above
him. But he that's what he does. It's so clear.
Moe Factz: And he's valuable because he's still hip. That's
the that's the most valuable blue light right there where he
has the vernacular of the of the youth. Yeah, and had the timing
but if you listen to him long enough, you can you can you can
you can pick up the 10% vibes on Boulais vibes.
Adam Curry: Oh, for sure. So now let me ask you a question. We've
had the higher infinite power. This was help our people I have
a feeling we've got a third in the series coming or am I
mistaken?
Moe Factz: It's not a third in the series, but it's the
continuation of this conversation. I'll say it like
that. Because we haven't got to the bastardization of this
higher inference higher infinite power. I had to do it in this
way. Oh, explaining what the power was, and how it was meant
to be used. But in the coming episode, we're going to talk
about how it's been hijacked, manipulated, and leading people
to death.
Adam Curry: And that will conclude episode 94 of Mo FAQs
with Adam curry.
Moe Factz: And as I always say, pay attention to everything in
the true reveal itself.
Adam Curry: Mo I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this episode
brother was quite the education for me.
Moe Factz: Always a great conversation with you out and I
look
Adam Curry: forward to the next time within the next few weeks.
Mo take care of yourself brother. Stand you out alright
everybody we'll see you soon right here on mo facts with Adam
curry.
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