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Well, we're starting that is the Jerry Jones, the photo from the
Washington Post. Excuse me. I don't know if you heard about
that. It's be odd if you didn't, because you live in Texas. And
we're going to end up in with primetime, aka coach prom Deion
Sanders. And it's going to be an exciting trip, how we start
they're in where we're going to end it.
What's interesting is I know almost nothing about sports. So
whatever you're talking about, I completely miss that. I'm sure
it's some. Some team owner or coach being racist. That's
usually what the stories are about.
That's That's
great guest Deion Sanders. Did he not play for a New York team?
No, he played for Atlanta. And in San Francisco, then Dallas,
and then he went it bounced around to Washington Redskins,
which hurts my stomach to say that. And I think he ended up in
Baltimore. But he did play baseball in New York. If I'm not
mistaken, yes.
Because I met him. And I met him at the radio station at z 100.
Surprise, right. And I and I'm like I knew was playing for New
York team. This was a lot this was in maybe late 80s 90s. Does
that make sense?
He was one of those athletes that could play multiple sports
and we're going to be your barbell
golf. All that stuff. Okay, cool. All right, I'm ready for
less.
Let's jump right into as you accurately against the takedown
of Jerry Jones.
This is a fascinating piece of reporting. We're going to talk
about now we're gonna start with this photo is from September
9 1957. And it shows Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones among
a crowd of white students trying to keep black students from
integrating at an Arkansas High School. This is a Washington
Post's reporting reports that Jones who was 14 at the time
could be seen standing a few yards from where the six black
students were being jostled and repelled with snarling racial
slurs by ringleaders of the mob. So joining us now sports and
feature columnist at the Washington Post, SALLY JENKINS,
gonna have to commend you and your reporting this whole thing
is right. I mean, it's stunning. It's fascinating. So so let's
start with a picture of And then we'll talk about you know how we
could have sort of moved diversity along with coaching in
the NFL and in sports. Let's start with this photograph
though. What did what did you? What did you learn about this
for from this photograph?
Well, I think the first thing you learn is is just how
widespread the segregationists were in Little Rock and North
Little Rock.
Wait a minute, wait. Anyway, this is from a photo from when
he was 14. Yes. Then the man is now what 85?
I believe so.
Oh, I love how Oh, excellent work. Oh, yeah. You really dug
up a doozy here, everybody. Okay,
well, we're gonna jump right into it because I gotta lay out
my theory of what what how this transpired, the timing of it.
Everything. This was a strategic attack on Jerry Jones. Now, for
all for full disclosure. I'm a Cowboys. I'm careful with this
word fan, because I'm not a fanatic. But I don't like
support or whatever you were saying some goofy were like
that. I've been a Cowboys quote unquote fan. Since about three
or four years old, and my grandpa bought me a Dallas
Cowboys trash can. And we sit down and watch the game
together. You know, because I went to my grandparents on every
weekend just about so I was there watching football with
him. So sports, as we're gonna see throughout this episode, has
a very weird relationship when it comes to race, horse
ownership and all that thing. But that to my theory, this
photo dropped from the Washington Post on Thanksgiving
Day, around things before it right before Thanksgiving, which
everybody knows Cowboys take center stage.
Exactly. Now even I know that,
right? Of course, you will meet him saying you know about media
and this cowboys is America's team. Everybody sits around with
a stomach full of Turkey and watch ours fall asleep while
watching the Cowboys play. It's like it's the American
tradition. And I don't know if you know this or not. The Dallas
Cowboys is called America's team.
I knew that I live in Texas. Of course. I know some things. Yes.
I would just want I want to make sure. I don't want to make no
please,
please keep asking me stuff like that. Because this is pretty
much the only thing I know that my knowledge stops around here.
Well, I'm gonna tell you about a takedown, which you know all
about. Enter Bezos. Bezos is trying to buy an NFL team.
Right. Oh, I
didn't know that. I mean, it makes sense. That was that's
what most billionaires seem to like to do. And I have no idea
why but okay, and
what costs if you ever seen you saw billions, right? Yeah. That
that the scene in there where Axelrod tried to buy the NFL
team. Yeah. He said this is American royalty. Owning a foot
on the football team is like being knighted?
Yeah, I remember. Yes. I do remember that. And it's
interesting because is that still that way is that really is
that really what the billionaires all think? Oh, of
course, it's interest of course. Because
now what scene was he trying to buy? There? Were saying that he
was trying to buy the Washington commanders which used to be the
watch to raise money
known as the Redskins. That was my my parents team by the way
the Redskins were my parents team.
Well, that's strange. This you Redskins fan by by, by
inheritance. And I'm a Cowboys fan with this as another regular
TV show. It'll
switch through there. Now that I'm in Texas, things are
different. Yeah.
So going back. The reporting story was he was trying to buy
the Washington commanders with Jay Z. Okay, as a part ally, as
a part owner, which know how that, you know,
that's that's how you get the new stadium JC gets to 0.3% He
pretends like he's an owner, and then we do no sport and then we
verify the whole place, actually, well, I do know Ted
leonsis, who's the owner of the what's the hockey team in
Washington, the capitals, the capitals, so and yeah, I know
this guy pretty well. And yeah, it is definitely a royalty thing
that I think about it. Yeah.
Well, Snyder has been quoted as saying I have because they tried
to get Snyder out of here. They done this with the owner,
Richardson down in Carolina, which they were saying with the
Me too. So they've been trying to get Snyder out of there. But
you know, he's had things with cheerleaders and this obviously,
I had to lay it all out so you can see it for the last while
saying
that's what I get these teams cheerleaders. Of course, that
makes sense.
So Snyder says, I got dirt on all the owners. Here comes Bezos
paper with a picture of Jerry Jones. Because if Bezos is going
to buy a team, trust me, it would rather be the Dallas
Cowboys, which is the preeminent sports team up all teams, not
just football, oh, all teams,
if you want to be royalty, you might as well go straight to
the, to the top of the pack. Right.
And Jerry Jones is the king of the NFL. So let's I'm laying it
all out and how this all this quote unquote what I call an
attack happened. But we got to understand the history behind
why that photo was so triggering to some people while it was
used. You know, like I said, I just find it funny that Jerry
Jones actually sat down with the Washington Post voluntarily, and
did this whole you know, about black ownership in the NFL, you
know, you know, racing sports kind of thing, and they double
crossed him with this photo.
Jerry Jones, his faceful was North Little Rock, which was
across the Arkansas River from Central High School, which is
the school that got all of the attention. When Eisenhower sent
in federal troops to protect the Little Rock Nine at that school
over there. But the segregationist agitators were
actually very active on both sites. And the fact that we knew
that generationally, Jerry Jones had to have experienced the
events in Little Rock more generally, but to find him in
the photograph, and to learn that he experienced one of those
incidents, right on the schoolhouse steps, was pretty
revelatory. We were blown away, to put it mildly.
Let me ask you about this picture just quickly here,
because he is saying he's using thing you know, I was just
there. I wasn't participating. I was there just sort of to
observe. But the with the photograph with you guys, as you
point out in your reporting, is that in order to get where he
was at the top of those stairs, that he had to get up there
pretty quickly, and those were sort of the students that were
keeping the black students from entering? Does it say anything
about his participation? Are you making any sort of judgment
about it? Or
let me let me make a little judgment first, I'm looking at
this picture. I'm looking at this picture. He looks like a
doofus standing in the back like hey, what's going on here?
Doesn't he's not at the front. He's not the guy at the front
looks like a mean mofo.
Well, he was he was a young, younger player in high school.
So that's one thing. But I'm just saying that it's not Yeah,
it's not important. The important The important thing is
he's there in Arkansas in 1957. When you know what happened in
57, all across town at the other high school. That's when they
had, you know, forcing kids into I think it's called Central
High, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, Central High. So he's over at
this other school. And they're like, hey, look, Jerry Jones was
doing the same thing that's happened over Central High at
his high school, which puts pressure on him into the
interjects race into the conversation, which they want
Jerry Jones out of there. And it's like I said, and I'm
thinking this is just my cow. Look at it Washington Post Bezos
trying to buy a team. I don't really want Washington's team
because like you said, you got to deal with the politicians in
Washington. Yeah. You know, where we want to have the
stadium this has been the Snyder has
the name is probably you know, they had the Redskins they
change it to the what does it command man? There's so many
things the city name, you know, it's like, Who wants a team with
everyone thinks you're gonna think Washington Redskins for
the rest of that we're I would, I can't ever think of them as
commanders.
I totally agree. But I'm just telling you, this is the setup.
And when I saw this, I was like, on Thanksgiving Day. And, you
know, because yeah, so this is the whole setup. So you kind of
see what's going down here. Yeah.
Wow, this is great reporting. We got this picture. This is
fantastic. By the way, general observation. The white students
here, they all got blue jeans on and the black students are just
dressed to the T in this. It's just just a general observation.
That's makes me think about what you say when you say about
coming over when you had Yes,
yes, yes, exactly. Yeah,
you have to dress to impress, you have to look the part. That
was that was the main thing. So now we're gonna get into Jerry
Jones response and that attack, quote, unquote, when I say
attack, I'm talking about the strategic plan to put him on the
hot seat on his day. I mean, like Thanksgiving Day as his
Christmas, it because he used to put his big stadium or showcase
America's team or showcase. And he asked to answer questions
like this. And clip for Jerry. It's also
in the Washington Post article in how the picture they paint a
view from a picture
when you were 14 years old, yeah. That was, gosh, 6065 years
ago and curious kid didn't know at the time the monumental event
really that was that was going on, and I'm sure glad that we're
a long way from that. I am. And we just would that would remind
me He just continued to do everything we can to not have
those kinds of things happen
in your grids just being in the photo being there at all. Any
regrets on being in the photo being there at all?
Well, I didn't know. I wouldn't have just dug that up, for sure.
And seriously, but that was curiously, I got criticized
because I was more interested in how I was going to be punished
by my coaches and everybody for being out front. But nobody
there had any idea, frankly, what was going to take place?
You didn't. We didn't have all the last 70 years of reference
and all the things that were going on, and so you didn't have
a reference point. They're still up. I've got a habit of sticking
his nose to my place at the wrong time.
Ooh, Mr. Jones, you have no idea what's coming down the pike.
Clearly. He had no idea. What is he separated from reality?
No, he has a lot of protectors in the media. Because he is like
I said the king of the NFL. Yeah. And NFL is the king of all
television shows in America. No doubt. Would you agree? I mean,
okay, so
not yet enough for me. Yes, because I, I always watch the
Super Bowl. So right there. It's just a media event. I love how
it's I love how it's put together. I will say I also
watch a good bit of soccer. I do like the soccer. But when it
comes to American television made for the commercials
football is your game.
That and that's the point is is not like basketball is constant
flowing. You could stop the game anytime you want to is great.
It's great for advertisement. And it's like I said, it's in
our tradition, even with the imagery and you know that we got
to get to lighter. Um, and you know, with the whole race thing
is sitting down with your grandfather, your fathers, your
brothers, your uncle's watching the game. I think I bought I
think I
think I've mentioned this before, but when I was growing
up in the Netherlands, you know, that you couldn't get obviously
EMEA, there's two channels, they were not going to show football,
the Americans, the American Women's Club of Amsterdam, the
which is just a data library and other things. They had Game of
the Week, brought to you by American Express, and they'd
have done that. And it was on film. And my dad and I would go
on, I don't know, maybe Monday night or Tuesday night, and we
go watch the highlight reel that was sent from America. And I
remember thinking like, was so cool, because they had snow,
snow games, and drying, they do the slow mo and I just be like,
Wow, this is so amazing. It wasn't I didn't understand much
of the game really. At the time. I was very young. But I remember
how impactful that was. And it just it was a cool thing to
watch.
It's the way it's shot. Yeah, NFL has hundreds of cameras.
Yeah, one game getting every angle. And now we fast forward
to introducing the modern day. I mean, you they're tracking the
balding answers in the ball. Tell me how I got fast guys are
running. Yeah. What's the odds of them making plays? And this
and that. And And speaking of eyes, it's a huge gambling
sport. Yes. Which is gambling. If you have if you watch TV now,
you see gambling is wide open. Um, and you know, across the
United States, I think there's some states that don't allow
gambling, but for the most part, gambling has been a huge part
of, you know, the growth of sports. We'd like to start in
with fantasy
sports betting is what we prefer to say, well, we don't like
saying gambling and sports betting. Okay. Before
I get you politically correct, yeah. But yeah, so this is this
is, this is sports and the fact like I said he had to answer
these questions after his cowboys had ticket centerstage
on Thanksgiving, instead of talking about well, he likes to
talk about the Cowboys. And he's had run ins with race because
when the whole Kaepernick take a knee thing, he told his players
we're gonna do what's best for business. We're gonna make a
business decision here. Right, and we're in the show you just
the force of Kaepernick, he even had to come out and make a pivot
to take a knee with his players. And that kind of like, showed
the force of Nike and all these other forces that was trying to
take out in the NFL. Right, right. So I guess we can go and
get to the second part of him being interrogated. Part Two.
Did you get did you get in trouble with your coach or being
ushered in? What was the punishment? Well,
you know, I was young sophomore trying to make the team and they
kicked my ass,
Gary, Gary, he came up to Little Rock situation, and Little Rock
Central. All right. That photo on there An incident
excuse me that
came after the situation in Little Rock Central.
Well, that was North Little Rock Ranch was literally just two or
three miles away. It wasn't the same day A Little Rock Central
that came when, as I recall, as I recall, it was certainly in
proximity with it. Those were certainly the issues that were
going on, but did not have the structure that was not the event
at the central thing.
Oh, that's interesting. I think now he's figured it out in this
interview was like, Oh, they got something here. That's tread
lightly. Yeah.
And speaking of treading lightly notice the reporters are trading
light. Because you're talking to a guy that can get you sick or
sent you to the covering stadium.
Yeah, go ahead, go
cover No, no, not kick. You have you covered water polo in
Siberia somewhere. If you step on the wrong thing, and Jerry
Jones had a lot of people come out and protect him. You know,
after the fallout happened, one being Steven a Smith. And I
could have went that way in the show. But I really didn't want
to go to I want to understand people to understand how this
attack word. I mean, the mechanics of it. Like, like, now
when he's bringing us Central High even you notice like, oh,
okay, yeah, by this is bigger than just me being over my high
school. You're trying to make me the face of racism in the south
in the 1950s.
And so again, the premise here is that this is a targeted
attack by Bezos owner of The Washington Post who wants to own
a team and met with that as the backdrop this is already, you
know, clip five, I'm already outraged what's going on? That's
crazy.
So I just I just want I just want to lay that out for people.
And like I said, he has noted for Jerry Gerald, because he has
the, the money and the power to protect himself. But I, like I
said, always want to look at what the plays like. Why is this
happening? Why is it happening now? Oh, the Washington Post.
That's interesting. And you see a little nuggets, all Jay Z and
Bezos trying to buy a team. And what I tried to do is connect
all this together one more thing, before we move on. Notice
his coaches that got he got in trouble with his coaches kicked
his. Yeah. Why would he get in trouble with his coaches? Who
were asking that question later? Yeah, because coaches are trying
to get the best talent. I'm just gonna leave it there. They're
trying to get the best talent no matter where it comes from.
Haha. I got you. And maybe that's why the players were up
there protesting because they felt there some better flowers
were coming in. Yeah, exactly. So the reporters went a little
too far in this next clip. And I want you to just to pick up when
a billionaire has had enough
to do you understand the perception that people have
standing there? Because that was not exactly a welcoming
committee
that? I sure do. And I'm understanding that. Just
understand it. Yes.
So for the people that look at that and say you were a part of
that. And you're saying you were curious. And other people were
saying, Well, this was a crowd, basically, you know, look, look,
left six, five years ago, right down, and I had no idea would
have walked up there what we were doing. And it just is a
reminder to me of have improved and do things the right way.
So what did you think of the crowd who these kids were just
trying to go to school? There's a whole lot of people that have
a lot of hostility towards us.
Yeah. Were you want to ask me what I was thinking? Okay, I was
thinking about, I won't get in trouble for being up here. And I
didn't know what was going on. And I was 15 years old. And so
having said that, that's, that's that's all that I can remember.
Okay.
I gotta say something about this in the picture. This picture
though, it's from every all of you, because you're seeing
cameras behind cameras in front, it's an elevated shot from
above. This thing reminds me because a picture is just a
moment in time. Right? Right. And you can, you can make up any
story you want. And when I see this picture, black and white,
for some reason, the time of course, the quality of the
photo. It reminds me of Jack Ruby shooting Harvey Oswald
in like in your I'm glad you picked up on that because these
weren't his kids that showed up and say, hey, I want to go to
your high school. No, this goes all the way back to Brown versus
Board of Education. We talked about that on a previous show,
and how all that was orchestrated the right kids were
selected the right case, the right place. This was just a
continuation of that. it and I believe this was a, you know, a
dry ruin. But what was going to happen over Central High?
Okay, yeah. And well, again, coincidence that this, this is
different from all the press that is standing, this is from
above and the top, it's showing everything you'd want to see to
build this story. Interesting. Interesting.
And where did this picture come from? I mean, you know, that's
the that's the real question that nobody really answered. Is,
did Daniel Smith, is this someone that dirt? And I have no
answer this question I'm about to ask. But I have to ask it.
Did Daniel Snyder have access to this picture? And Barter is
like, Hey, I got a bigger fish for you. You know, if you don't
want to buy my team. Bezos is like who much rather have the
preeminent team, then all the team with all the political
baggage and problems? Yeah, right. They come with it. And
this last day of Schneider live, they were saying to see another
day. I'm just I'm just laying it out there. But what we got to do
now is get the background of the picture, we're going to these
next few clips will contextualize the environment of
what was going on in little Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957.
So this is a history report History Channel report. And this
is Ernest Green, one of the class of 58, a black one, the
black students speaking helmets,
an event that forever altered the course of race relations in
America. As our image reveals itself, the 1957 school year is
about to begin. And an angry mob is trying to stop nine black
students from entering Central High in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Question I usually get asked is, where are we scared? I think
initially, we didn't anticipate clearly all of the violence and
turmoil that occurred. First day that we attempted to go to
school, eight of us were at one part of the school and Elizabeth
Eckford was another part. And there was a mob that followed
Elizabeth then you began to feel that this was a very hostile
violent group of people. Even at that point, I told myself that
if we didn't go through with it didn't attend Central and backed
out. It would just reinforce the view that the African American
community and Little Rock wasn't interested and making a change
in things.
Highlighted trauma bass music,
yep. Very good. Where's that? Where's that from
History Channel.
Now? Of course, hello. William P straighter. Was the photographer
apparently.
Okay. Um,
I don't know if I can find that. It has no real information on
him. But yeah, you're fine. He was Associated Press. He was an
AP reporter. Interesting.
Yeah. So so now we got this set up. We have the essential, the
Little Rock Nine. And like I said, one of the ones got
separated and one in eight. And they got together, they finally
mates together. And this is what this is what they met, trying to
get into school. So you want to continue on and the question is,
yeah, no, no, no,
I'm good. Let's keep rolling. I got the next few traumatized.
Yeah. All right, traumatize me people.
Nice. During the 1950s African Americans throughout the country
were trying to make their voices heard. We've Alabama, now
and will continue to carry on our mass protests. To drive
demand that I get to see the fight man didn't do that I was
being treated as a human being I refuse to give up this
little rock was a year after the Montgomery bus boycott. So we
had seen the impact of Rosa Parks and the beginning of Dr.
King's Korea and knew that things could change.
Man, that's some good trauma music. That's a great man.
They had all the triggers in their MLK yo, Rosa Parks, which
we spoke about. We spoke about Rosa Parks and the whole of that
she was in Tennessee.
Yeah, there was a she was a Hollywood version of the real
thing.
Well, and speaking of which, we're not gonna go too far down
for down too far down this rabbit hole. But yeh got himself
in some trouble other than what he was already
telling me he got in some trouble I hadn't heard about
that and you had to bring Yeah.
Reporting thing but he he made a statement saying he rose apart
was a plant which Yes, yes. How kya it says it you're saying can
be very triggering but we talked about this in her relationship
with her I forget the family's name, but it went back to Hugo
Black, who was a Supreme Court justice and the lawyer that were
behind her so yeah, if you're listening just don't be a
deadbeat brother you will say like
I was so bad with yeas comment that I saw articles appearing
reaffirming how legit Rosa Parks was.
Right and it's it I would like to give a big shout out to Elvis
to the shelf Rosenberg because he gave a consistent producer on
the show. He actually was sending people to our to the
show we did dream machine, but you need to watch the comments
section everywhere. And he gave us a big shout out on his show.
So I just want to stop the show. You're saying thank you for
promote promoting. What we're doing over
here is and if anyone's interested, I'll put some links
into Claudette Colvin, you might be interested in that.
Right. So let's go ahead and wrap up with this, this trauma
based entertainment as we call it with clip number three.
The first step for the Little Rock Nine came in May 1954, when
the US Supreme Court issued its opinion in the landmark case,
Brown versus the Topeka, Kansas Board of Education. Separate but
equal was inherently unequal. And integration was now the law
of the land. In 1957, this decision and the power of the
federal government were tested in Little Rock, Arkansas.
We didn't at the moment we were selected, have any idea was
going to be as difficult as it turned out to be
in the face of protest at Central High School, the
governor of Arkansas, Orville faultless calls out the National
Guard. His official reasoning is to preserve the peace and
prevent violence.
It wasn't clearly wasn't to protect us, it was to make a
symbolic stand. It was to protect the way of life in the
south, because they borrowed I entrance.
Alright, so now you see it's a bigger play going on. Yeah, and
this is how they use special interest groups, race being the
one here, less use controversy to make bigger change. And this
was really about state rights, what the federal government
could tell states, right, that was the bigger play, but they
use, quote unquote, black people as the battering ram to, you
know, force their way into the schools. So the state, the
federal government could stretch their power. Now, when you're
saying and events that power
when you say they who are you referring to, in this case,
the NAACP. And that was one of the big groups that was backing
now the Little Rock Nine, and these other liberal operations
that wanted to see the federal government gaining power. So I'm
gonna do it. Now that you asked that question. I'm going to do a
quick change on the fly. Let's listen to 11 first, because
that's as your Orval Faubus, the governor of Arkansas, and he's
gonna go more into the state REITs and then we'll come back
to 10
Central. Hi, we are now an occupied territory. Evidence of
the nekkid force of the federal government is here apparent in
these and unsheath bayonets in the backs of school girls, in
the back of students, and in the bloody face of this railroad
worker, who was bayoneted and then fell by the bed of a rifle
in the hands of a sergeant of the United States, a 101st
Airborne Division. That can be no question of the supremacy of
the United States Army, when used against a defenseless
state. Therefore, we must continue our peaceful pursuits
of life, being good citizens, as the overwhelming majority of our
people have always been. I have been working in fighting for the
right of my people to solve their problems peacefully. This
as we know requires time and patience. I shall continue on
relentlessly on this course.
That was at the National Guard who did that.
Yes, okay. Yeah, it's messed up.
Right. So This was a response school immigration was a
response to, quote unquote, black people asking for a
separate but equal. It's like if you got to school, we want an
identical school, you have x this edition of a book, we want
that additional book, you know, same resources, right? It wasn't
the be forced together. Because one able to do was really and I
got some clips to show that we talked about it before on the
show. To back up my claim. My father was one of those people.
I've talked about this before that, um, he was actually, I
guess you would call it bus because it went bust when he was
forced to go to integrate school his senior year high school.
Yeah. Imagine he and Kamala Harris, they both had to do
that. Right.
Right. And but the thing was, is my dad wasn't going forward. He
wasn't with his hands. He went with his hands elected student.
And this is no slight at the people that were selected. But
of course, they are selected people with a certain
disposition to be that could be spat on and not hit back to you
know, they got they got violence and abuse,
they got they, they audition them without them knowing it.
Correct. And you had to show the search correct temperament which
my father did not have the correct temperament because he
was constantly getting into brawls at school. Yeah,
I wonder if that was passed down to you at all? No,
I wonder, I wonder.
No rebel hair.
I, the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. But but at the
same time, he was able to graduate, you know, but I'm just
saying this is this was forced, and it's the force thing. So I
have, we're gonna go back to 10 now, and we're gonna lose
himself old, southern white man. Speak on what how he felt about
the force integration.
Do you think the Negro students ever will get in here? I think
they'll get in here. But I don't know how long they'll lay up
after they do get in here at Monash at Monash because they
cannot keep the police out here always hoping to get in and
finish and you have to start with
or if the President brings in federal troops.
I don't think the President has to be under the Constitution,
the president has the authority to send in federal troops. And
last night, I asked that taking all of the state rights away
from the States when they do I think like, that's only my
opinion.
Yeah, very appropriate for today.
Yeah, and that's we've seen more and more, as we talked about
before, and I said that a lot. But this covers a lot of the
things we talked about with you having red states and blue
states. But if you didn't think make something a federal law, it
supersedes what the states rights cover, which you see with
Roe versus Wade dress well was a big deal when they say kick it
back to the state, right? It's constitutional Exactly. Right.
They want to codify it to, you know, federal law. And we've
seen that with the Marriage Act and those kinds of things.
And maybe just a quick reminder for people that the Constitution
of the United States, many people don't know this or forget
it. There's a lot of people not from America, listening to this
podcast. The constitution is literally a document,
particularly the Bill of Rights, all the amendments that that
explains what the federal government is not allowed to do.
What they're not they it's really a restriction for the
federal government. And if it's not expressly in the
Constitution, it's all the state's business. And that, of
course, has been inked. And this is 1957. We've encroached that
so far. It's so far from where it originally was. But that is
the original, the original deal of the Federation of the United
States.
Right. And that was the bigger play for the federal government
to have your have overreach, where they were using black
students as the battering ram.
Oh, this is good. We've kept on that tip.
We see that like, Now fast forward, we're seeing it more
with the LGBT community. It's like, if you don't want drag
queens, coming to your school and reading, you know,
something's wrong with you. And people like, Oh, that's a little
bit too far for me. You know, I'm just showing you the same
play then is the same play now. And we see the same thing happen
with Jerry Jones. There's a bigger play, they play on your
ratio, your ratio reflex to you know, to get emotional when you
that's when you really need to start thinking it's like okay,
be more critical. Like why do you want me to feel this way?
Why all of a sudden, you know, I thought this who surprised that
Jerry Jones has some racist skeletons in his past man. Hey,
you're old At his age, yes, coming from Arkansas, right. And
being raised around people like the last man speaking. You know,
he would like to say I don't I don't know how long ago we're
gonna be here. They might get here and he's on camera, say me.
So that just tells you how bold he is. But of course that didn't
trigger now to the youth would Adam?
No, no kidding.
Number 12
is all about. Well, certain groups have voiced their
opinions that the school should be reopened even if it's on an
integrated basis. And we just find that we still have the
majority of the people behind us back and forth on segregated
school you'd rather keep the school closed and open or
integrated right we're willing to leave them closed a little
bit longer farmers can help us and we think he can you're
putting everything on him? Yes. I'm getting most
of the kids and all the high school Phyllis way. You think
you can? Do you think you've been
suppose suppose this were a long fight? Suppose it meant no
school for a year you still feel
wow,
it wasn't just the old folks.
Now, what's interesting, though, and maybe we'll get to this is
how we've come around full circle to the upside down world
where now we have you know, black groups requesting
segregation, segregation, of of school of dormitory segregation
of all kinds of stuff.
In what it is, is it's a perversion of separate but equal
Yeah, is that we want to be in your university and that's great
foreshadow for where we're headed. But is that we want to
carve out a space and your institutions, and it's but it's
not as equal but not separate. It's like we want to be embedded
or equal. I mean, like it's a weird perversion. Oh, separate
but equal, because we like we want to be over here. Y'all are
over there. If we interact, we interact but don't force us to
be together because I'm gonna say it like this being was
apparent, man. There's no way you use my childhood test dummy,
not happening. Now. If he came to me, Hey, you want your kid to
be go right now? Rather than stay at the school where they're
at, and not be emotionally abused and traumatize rather
than have some kind of symbolic victory? And I'm gonna tell you
how far I just gotta get this get this one story out because
this whole thing surrounded by my father and night he we were
in a place called spindle North Carolina, but we moved to
Durham, North Carolina. And in Durham, North Carolina was
Durham high. Durham high in 1959 was integrated. Oh, by Lou Lou
Hannon. No, no, no, excuse me. Let me make sure I get their
name right put respetar name it was Jocelyn mystic McKissick and
Clotet Bram was caught it That's a great name. Yeah, they want to
be a rebel. Yeah, um, but they were integrated. The urban
legend around Durham is they put see me in a Olympic sized
swimming pool. Well, I Olympic depth, somewhat the same size
but a professional type swimming pool they filled up with see me
instead of letting black kids swimming, that's the urban
legend. Now there is there is a picture of the swimming pool,
but the swim pool ain't there no more. It's I don't know what
happened to it. I don't know how you get rid of swimming pool,
but I'm just telling you how these things have life are their
own. And these stories carry on, you know, like, rather to swim
with black kids, we'd rather not have a swimming pool. That was
the response to integration. Now going forward, we're gonna go
back going forward, we gotta go back to the show. 51 that was
civil wrongs. And this was the gentleman from Farmville
speaking on a black man. Speaking about how he wasn't too
excited to be integrated himself.
When I first heard about integration and heard that may
possibly one day be the you know, the way things would go. I
had very mixed feelings about it. I was no more anxious to
mingle with white people than I'm sure many of them were
anxious to mingle with me. I felt the same reservations the
same prejudices I guess I'm they may as well say that any of them
felt you know. So I was not at all thrilled over the prospect.
But as time went on, I began to realize that possibly this was,
after all, the only way that the terrible injustice is could be
somewhat alleviated. And so more and more, I began to favor the
idea of integration. But I think many black people just decided
they really didn't want any parts of white people, they
would have preferred if it were, you know, I've often thought if
separate but equal had been a reality you'd never had an
integration struggle.
Yeah, this was mo fax 51 If anyone's looking for the
show, 51 That was our silver wrongs. So because that we
talked about this before, but we have to go back revisit it
because we are sick. This is this. What the spell was leaning
upon that was casted is like, yeah, what's this trigger up?
That's the Little Rock Nine, tie Jerry Jones to that. And maybe
we can get some a wedge in there, to try to force him out
of his out of his team. I'll put pressure on, you know, or, at
least, Bezos would gain more leverage in this situation.
Especially trying to buy a team with a quote unquote, black
owner being Jay Z.
And just just a quick thing on the, on the integration, and we
probably talked about this, maybe even on 51, where I went
to college for exactly one semester, Salem, West Virginia.
And it was 50%, Black 50%, white. Most people from the East
Coast, the kids are from mainly south Jersey. And I remember my
roommate, Ty Hamilton, I remember us both looking at each
other like, oh, okay, I didn't even know that he was black. He
probably figured that maybe with a name like Adam, he didn't
think that I would be white. But I remember that first day in the
dorm room, like, Oh, hey. And of course, I wasn't white. I was
from Holland because I pulled up my boombox and threw on some
Shannon let the music play and we became friends. And that
really connected us. But I felt, I definitely felt the tension.
And it was real from from both sides. But then once we
connected, it was I was welcomed equally by black and white
students and across the school. But I remember the tension. And
that was 1982 or 83 years, something like that.
And another thing that we had to factor in is that we had a lot
of northerners coming now South not understanding the politics
of the South, right. And you have to live in the south to
understand the racial politics of the South. It's a total
different experience from being raised anywhere else. Because
maybe we're too dumb, or too too brave to leave black people that
are self, you know, however you want to look at it, because
you're not running me. I'm not, I come from a lot of people that
didn't, and this is no disrespect to people that moon
door for better opportunities, I have failed me to do that. But
the ones that stayed, we just have a different understanding
of racial politics in the South. Even me being born in 1980.
There was just cuz I was raised by, you know, a black man was
born in 1951. Right, you know, that experience, Jim Crow, and
all these things. So, like I said, they come in and they
start pulling out these threads. But they don't understand the
brunt of the force is going to end up on their, on the people
on there. I hate to use the word on their operators. I don't
think of it unknowingly, unknowingly. They're not the
ones gonna take the loan, it's gonna be the black students to
take the loss in the trauma and the end. And no, I'm not for
that. Like I said, I'll reiterate my point, there's no
way in hell my kids would be taught man experiences some
trauma like that. Yeah, if you can, if you can shield them from
that, of course you will. But we can't put all the blame of
separate but equal on just the you know, people that were given
the resources. As the gentleman pointed out, in part two of this
clip, it was also the black leadership that fail the black
schools,
black people would have been, I think, would have been very,
very satisfied to maintain but just make sure it's equal. And
that's where the problem are our mountain high schooler, a joke
man with a couple of tarpaper shacks, which will unsightly and
compared to the formula high school, you know, this this the
idea of separate but equal books, so, so torn apart. In one
case, a friend of mine is supposed to teach chemistry man,
the only books he could get. He had shreds and particles with
pieces of books. And by linking up in his classroom, these
passed out what he had. By linking up together, the kids
were then able to, to get together enough material to
these books had been discarded by the white high school some
years before and passed on to the black school. Now this
points out the the weakness and the corruption of the principal
who was black. This teacher friend of mine, not knowing the
chain of commands, a brand new teacher went to the
superintendent said, Look, we're gonna get to where I can work
with it, how can I teach chemistry with this junk, and
immediately got
suspended?
Oh, no bookstores classroom. Now, the point of this is, that
principle could also have done that, but it was better for the
principal to report a surplus at the end, that happened.
I don't even remember, this clip is so weird.
So this is the Boulais at work, because this is where that I'm
different come in, at. And we're going to get into that in the
next clip what that really means. But look at me, I'm one
of a few. That's what that is, when people will lean into that
and accept that I'm different. They're saying, I'm one of a
few. I'm one of the talented 10th. I'm one of the exceptional
black people
you're not. You're not always the other black people. Correct.
And
people lean into that because it makes them feel special. But you
got to understand what's not you but the proverbial, you have to
understand what's being said with it is like we think most of
y'all think down here. But but by the grace of God, or you
know, just sheer luck, you're different. You know, and really,
both sides of his argument are operating from a place where
it's a new term I coined, called a scientific white supremacist.
And they, they base their logic off of science to say, oh, you
know, black people aren't as smart as everybody else we've
done the numbers we run, we run the numbers. Now you will have
different, you know, gradients, but overall, they're, they're
lesser. So on one side, you say, well, we have to step in, this
will be the NAACP, you know, and I'm racist like that we have to
step in for and think for the black people. You know, and then
the other side is, I don't want to go with those last names. You
know, I don't want those animals around my children. I mean, you
heard Joe Biden being a legend, he made that statement who do
you know, become racial jungles? That's what he's referring to.
He's saying what he's alleged to say that, um, but I'm just
saying so it's not that both sides look at is, you know,
these are free thinking people and let's give them the
resources and see how it pans out is that we have to influence
and step in, and you know, and commandeer their situation. So
to prove my point about the scientific racism, scientific
white supremacy is, this is Jerry Jarrett Taylor, this goes
back to 85. Overman. And we talked about Darwin and things
of that nature. We might need a trigger warning when we've saved
you can grab that while I finish up. But this is how a true
scientific White's their premises things. And he said it
out loud.
Warning, warning, warning, your attention. Trigger warning has
been activated.
whites and Asians evolved in harsh northern climates, in
which people had to make plans to make it through the winter.
They had to cooperate to hunt and share food. And couples had
to stay together for children to survive. Africa was more
forgiving. Cooperation, planning ahead and care for children were
less important. Psychopaths could survive, reproduce and
pass along their genes. I think this is as good an explanation
as any. The point is, however they got that way. People of
different races are on average, different. expecting everyone to
be the same is crazy. Blaming whites when blacks fall short,
is not just crazy. It's vicious. Until we understand this, we
can't even begin to talk about America's problems, much less
solve them. Thank you for watching.
Thank you, Jerry. Yep, thanks.
Oh.
So this is what it boils down to is that is it nature, is it
nurture. He's leaning on the side it was you know, is due to
genetics. You know, Asian and white people come from harsh
conditions and it killed off more to sociopaths. Right? And
black people have more sociopaths because they gave him
they were reproducing and more accommodating and benefit issue
environment. This is this is the crux of the scientific white
supremacy argument,
right, which was was raging back in the 20s. And the 30s. Of
course, we had the eugenics Society of America, which never
really went away. And after, after the whole Hitler thing,
which was kind of annoying for us, then it kind of came back.
And yeah, I don't even know if that debate has ever left.
No, it doesn't. So but now I have a clip of Malcolm X. He's
saying there is a difference, but he leans more towards
nurture and environment. It's a very interesting clip. So number
16.
This is Part true, you won't find very many people who are
Afro American who will admit it. But if it is true, why, it is
true that there is a sluggishness, intellectual
sluggishness, academic sluggishness, in almost any
negro community. But this exists only because of the result that
has come up on us through years and years of slavery and being
held down in this society. This is why I made reference to the
book crisis in black and white, this particular man gives a very
good scientific analysis as to why there this lethargy exists
in the negro community, it is something that has been created
by the system, the system is designed to make the Negro
student lose his interest in education almost before he even
gets started in school. And the parents usually who are also
limited where education is concerned and have who have run
into so many barriers and obstacles, despite the fact they
had education. Sometimes they ask themselves, what's the use.
So as long as the system that we are in exists, and this system
that the survival of this system depends upon the continued
exploitation of the black men in this country, the survival of it
depends upon the continued degrading of the black men in
this country in the necessity of using us as the whipping boy in
the Alaba, in the excuse that as long as this system exists, then
you will find that our people will have the same attitude
toward education. And that and they have a justified, I should
say they have they haven't answered they can explain. But
at the same time, the burden rests upon the leaders of the
Afro American community to try and instill within the youth
especially the desire to further their education, because without
it, you're not going anywhere on this earth today.
Yeah, enter all the Reverend and the pastors who did such a good
job at that.
Correct. And this is why I was such i and that was a it's such
a opponent of CRT critical race theory, because all it does is
further the lower expectations of black students. Enter math is
racist. Oh, yeah, that can be more than one. According to your
zip code, your socio economic status, you're allowed to have
more than one right answer to a math problem. How in the hell
does that help?
It helps helps enslave people even more. Sway, I see.
Wish it handicaps you, which makes you more reliant on the
people that come in and say, oh, you know, poor you. Now you need
my help, even more wishes sets this that white savior thing
that I think Bill Berg talked about in his comedy scan. Yes,
it's true racism is the true racism of today.
Right? Because if you if, let's, I'm to the point, let's prove
it, let's have separate but equal, let's have equal
resources. And if you're, if you're right, then this test
scores will stay lower. that will that will, if it's a cap on
black intellectual capabilities, it will be shown in separate but
equal because you have an experiment, you can only have
one variable, right? That's the scientific method. So the one
variable will be race, you got the same environment, same
school, same materials, everything else, and now we'll
see this black intellectual capability go up, or they're in
a state of stagnant or does it go down, but they don't want to
do that because both sides benefit from this song and dance
one. They're both scientific white supremacist, and I'm sorry
to say that but I'm not really sorry to say that and they also
both sides benefit from from it. And what they tried to do to
Jerry Jones is make him the face of white supremacy like they try
to make the kk k to white supreme in the face of white
supremacy. You know, it's not that people in white seats that
are our problem is the people in white coats. It's Yes,
and it's not even people with white skin necessarily early. I
mean, if we if we know that, you know, the true, white supremecy.
You know, coming from Europe, it really isn't even that much
about the white face anymore.
Right. And that's when i That's why I made the point of saying I
said on a previous show that they're making the quote unquote
Magga people, a person of color, orange,
hey, how about this? Can I just adapt your because you had
scientific white supremacy supremacists? How about white
coats supremacist?
No, because these Now, the reason why I say push back
against that, because you got to go back to clip 15. It's the
logic, they say we are the smartest people on the face of
the earth. And this is what Bill Gates comes down and say, Hey,
we could kill off 90% of people. Because we're the smartest
people on Earth. Yeah, and really, we're the only really
people value adding people is like, 10%. So we can do well,
the other 90%. You know, I mean, that's, that's their mentor, and
it's based off of Darwinism. I know, that frustrates a lot of
people. But the ACE is, that's the whole point of race, is to
put people at hierarchies to say, Okay, this one is smarter
than this one, this I'm smarter than this one, do 100% due to
genetics. So I think if we try to do that, we lose the point of
they are backing everything they think the scientific wise the
premises off of the genetics, the science of genetics, this,
this is why I said this is why they go and say, like I said,
this is why they push birth control and all these other
things. And just to move to show for a little bit. This is why
the creation of the town the 10th, aka the Boulais was
created to say we understand scientifically, y'all will have
smart people not at the right we do wish y'all will. So what we
do is we will carve out a place for them, but the other 9% Gotta
go screw you know, kill you. One way, this the end, I want to
make this clear, even better.
Born that's the best No,
not kill them before they bore you. You're almost there, kill
them before they reproduce. Okay.
The goal is
to sterilize sterilized that then that was the eugenics
movement was sterilization.
Correct. The reason why they had to do this is because, and shout
out to my man grunt me who had this long conversation, it
really boils down to one marshmallow to marshmallow. And
sorry, I'm belaboring this, but we got to get this kind of laid
out for the show the rest of the show.
Makes me understood double Yeah, it makes sense.
Have you ever heard the marshmallow test?
Well, I've heard of the brown paper bag test.
Now the marshmallow test was his book written. And they said
people to eat one marshmallow. They gave kids marshmallow. They
said, you can eat the one marshmallow now. Or if you wait
to Marshmallow, yes, we've talked about this. Right. So
that's their whole point. They trying to get rid of all the one
marshmallow people that people that can't delay gratification.
That's the scientific what the Jared Taylor's talking about.
They quote unquote, gay when I say that he's talking about
black people. And brown people are saying different here, just
just to AR one marshmallow people just to
give some context. This was a Stanford experiment, Stanford
University from 1972. Right, and was only really challenged
harshly in the last couple of years, I think, came up again,
where it's still being pushed, is that even like some of these
other flawed thought processes is that you know, that and way
Jarrett is looking at it. And I'm not pointing him out
particularly but people that think like him, there's a
greater percentage of one marshmallow people and black
people. So we can dance around the subject, or we can use you
know, address the subject. And that's when your birth control
and your abortion and sterilization. Another form of
sterilization is trans trans transitioning, which is just
another form of that we have to voluntary sterilization my
friend, right we have to kill them before they reproduce even
what's happening in Canada right now. You're depressed,
die, die, we'll help you die
before you reproduce. Because guess what? That one one
marshmallow person can make three or four or five or 10 and
the two marshmallow people are not reproducing at the same
rate. This This is the sixth scientific mind we're dealing
with here that they want to play God and that's why I can't get
on board with it.
No, of course not. And I'll just say again, because I made such a
study of it after I know this was maybe five, six shows ago I
really, I really did a deep dive into the eugenics Society of
America. It's still here, it's still the same thinking it's the
same ideas.
It never, never went away. constant drumbeat one foot after
other slow and that's why I always point to the Fabian
socialist. Their mentality is progress continual improvement
and it's a very scientific and I know I've said scientific a
bunch but I want to make this is not emotional. We have to take
the emotion out of things understand. The lizard people
are scared as hell and what a lizard people do. They either
fight or flight. Right that's it and they're like, we can't fly
off Earth just yet. So what do we got to do? We have to go on
the offensive. Ie you're saying the vaccinations, trans
transitioning, abortion birth control, giving up your right to
reproduce due to the for climate change all of these things then
around. If you're dumb enough to fall for this, you're not smart
enough to go to the future where we're headed
there. Just you just set it right there. Let's put something
out there and you're dumb enough to fall for it. We were right
about you. That's
right. And and to the town that Tim could they say, Okay, y'all
get your different now here we come with the you're different.
Now I have to humanize everybody, as always do you have
to look at it from the flip side of the tablet 10. They say I
have these special abilities you skills. And I can say I know
we'd be labeled in between clips, but I have to make this
clear what's going on. Because I was one of these kids that was
in this class. This is just Joe Brown. And it's a video of him
talking to these looks like you know, preteen kids, and he's
going to tell them how they're to tell teeth and how they're
obligated to raise their race up, which I have no issue with
that. But it's who you recruited him that you send them off to
these PMIs predominantly PWI excuse me, predominately white
institutions, where they'll be isolated, you know, from their
people, they'll be seen as different by their people, and
they won't be effective. So basically, what you're doing is,
you know, taking the cream of the crop and leaving the other
90% behind. But if you think you've been blessed with a
certain skill to elevate your people, and if so to you like
JoJo Brown is selling it to them. And I said I don't think
he has an ill willing his heart. But I want because I've had this
conversation. I was I told you I was elected. Seventh grade
treasurer. Right. And they came in Are you going to be on the
Freedom Riders the future?
Yeah, let's get on the bus. All right around. Yeah. And this
is a kind of speech you will get when you were put on the bus 17
is Wow, Bose, however you want to pronounce the spoke of the
talented 10. That is the 1/10 of the population of what he called
Colored Peoples in negros, blacks and Afro American, then
black and then African American. And considering sort of
developments, maybe Afro American again, but anyway, one
tear of the race, he said we'll be able to improve themselves
and then being conscientious and dedicated to the cause. Cool the
rest of the people that wish. Now some way somehow that
stopped being manifest objective of people who've done education,
we slid back. So this neighborhood no longer has
leadership. Everybody kind of takes off Rosa Parks when they
leave the workplace. But we have to still exercise leadership
because we should be in charge if we have a challenge. And as
an obligation.
And when when was this from this judge brown clip?
This looks like the early 2000s. I'm just going by video. I mean,
I don't have a set date and I'm looking by dressing and that
kind of thing. It looks maybe early 2000s When this was taken,
and like I said he doesn't have any ill will towards this is the
the argument you know, Booker T Washington, W EB Dubois, that's
the art do we build from ground up? Or do we start with top down
for you? Right, you elevate your 10% and then they reach back
down and pull up. Or do you say we build a strong foundation and
you know that foundation elevates another layer of level
and another level and another level you have a strong
foundation, which even given the dichotomy here We're saying or
the other binary choice is dumb to me, because you need both?
Well, of course, this is what has been done that you had two
groups come in and say, choice A or choice B. And just to go back
for a minute, cuz I want to bring up trading places. For me,
this is what this was all about was, are they genetically this
way? Or is it nature versus nurture? You know, that kind of
thing. And as you see how to move, it's played out, if you
change the person, the environment, you know, it
changes their outlook, which, you know, let their true
capability shine through. But that's what it brought me in.
That's what it boils down to. And it's very, it's very cold,
calculating, and, and scientific to say that we're for 100 times,
but we have to not throw the science part out with it. But
they trigger you by triggering your emotion to say, oh, Jerry
Jones, here he is, he was saying 80 years ago. And it was black
and white picture. Now be mad and noise solutions b2b Man, the
way we want you to react,
so we can get him out, get the team get Jay Z and build a new
stadium gentrify the whole neighborhood make make a billion
dollars.
Even with that it's get Jay Z and but as you pointed out to
get 1/10 of a percent, but plan on your emotions. Oh, we got a
black owner. Now. Do we really know. Bezos is the you know,
JC literally like owned 0.3% of the nets or something? It's like
so infinitesimal.
This he did, but he sold it, you know, and Jay Z is playing chess
here. You know, he did basketball. First. They got in a
sports agency. And then he
got the Super Bowl contract to do all the media to do all the
rest. But we owe the halftime show.
But we got to back up one step because he was on Colin
Kaepernick side in the beginning. Right, right. That's
why I told you that was Jay Z's pancake moment. And if people
don't know talking about when Bill Cosby gave that pancake
speech, that's when he kind of lost the backing of quote
unquote black people because like, Whoa, you're on common
side now all of a sudden, you know, you're doing halftime show
for the NFL and Super Bowl. And that was a bad look for us
because it portrayed the wrong image. You know, racial image
does it make us play the poundcake again,
if you want to ensure just to give people content Yeah, I'd
like to
do that hold on a sec.
In the old days, you couldn't because behind every drawn shade
was alive. And before your mother got off the bus into the
house, she knew exactly where you had gone who had gone into
the house. Parents don't know that. I'm talking about these
people who cry when the sun is standing there in an orange
suit. Where were you willing was to where were you when he was 12
Where were you when he was 18 and I've come you don't know he
had a season not these are these are not political criminals.
These are people going around stealing Coca Cola people
getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake
and then we all run out were outraged to shut down would you
do with the pound
yeah, there's a second part to it but I think it's clear enough
with that
but now you see when he said these people that's that that's
that different top right eye we're different is these people
which of course we have issues but when you separate yourself
from the group this is why nobody came right in for Bill
Cosby when he got hemmed up. It's like okay,
you know, he's going back out he's going back out on the ice
we're going to do a tour.
He has to because I told you they only let him out of jail to
drain his pockets that was the whole point when we did the show
it was like I got to pack my bag and stuff in the back sometimes
because like I knew this is all really let them out is to say
okay we got you wish there was no constitutional reasoning for
them have them you know, cuz you couldn't you're saying self
incriminate yourself that way was like now we got to let them
out because we can't sue him while he's in jail. Right?
I'll give you a little route shot for that. We remember
all right. So now we're going to fast forward and talk here for
one Little Rock Nine and she received most of them Most some
of the most harshest abuse and this is Megyn Kelly talking to
her
black history month. We remember that day in September of 1957,
when nine black teenagers enrolled in a white High School
in Little Rock, Arkansas, the group of teens would become
known as the Little Rock Nine, and their actions sparked one of
the most pivotable pivotal moments of the civil rights
movement. One of the Little Rock Nine is Melba Pattillo Beals,
then she was a 15 year old high school junior. Today, she is an
accomplished author and retired University professor who joins
us this morning live. But first, her memory of those days. In her
own words,
I was never up for the task, people who call us heroes and
heroines have no idea that it's 15 I was still in love with
Johnny Mathis and Pat Boone. So I was a typical teenager, I
wanted what every other teenager when any new school you go to,
you know, you're going to have a problem. So I anticipated that.
Initially, they would not like us because of we were outsiders.
But my thought was I have a point till my shoes are
polished. In my innocence, I thought they will see that I am
bright, brighter than most of them. So what are they going to
do? You know? And I by that I knew who I was, and I know what
I'm capable of. And I was self assured in that way.
I didn't realize it but there was more than half or girls, I
think of the Little Rock now.
Yes. Going back to what I said before about you had to have the
right temperament, right? You couldn't have nine strapping
young black men coming into why no eight had to be a certain
percentage of women, kids that wouldn't fight back that could
be you know, hazing and harassed and assaulted.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask Dred Scott, who does the chapters for
this show, if you're using a modern podcast app, new podcast
apps.com, that one of those pictures from the Smithsonian
National Museum of African American History and Culture.
It's really cool. You see them all sitting there in a circle,
like a study group. And this just, you know, dress to the T's
is perfect. Perfect. It
was it was 69. I mean, 63 that made up the twice as many
females as males, right. So I'm wondering, did feminism have
anything to do with that as well? Because you know, with
hiring black women, you get a double minority? Yes. So it's
like, when people like what you might be reaching there? No,
these things are thought out. And the decades and centuries
Yeah, fast forward. But let's continue on with the abuse this
sister bills endured. When she attended school, I had
written around Central High School since I was a baby says
little and don't don't say I can't do something. That's what
I'm gonna do. Always wheelchair walker or not. If you defy me
and you say, you can't do that. I was born that way. And so they
said, you can't go to the school. The school was 718
storeys high. With all the equipment, it was eight square
blocks in diameter. And I was going to this little teeny
school where every September they bring over the three legged
table, the greasy key, you know, broken typewriter, and I said
that Wait a minute. Hey, who puts him in charge? And Gregory
would always say if he knew better, they do better. God
loves us equally. So I said, look at your mom. I want him to
come up and be in charge for six months. Let them do Jan to June
and let me do July to December. If that's how it is if God
really loves to see cool and she would say no, you know, this is
God's time in his way and I just you know, so when they put up
it's time to put your hand up to go to Central High School.
Despite any thoughts of tyranny or what's going to happen I put
my hand up
so now you see that I have special gifts and I'm gonna use
that gift to prove to people that we are smart you know, but
the short side of this of this is that if you prove a racist
that you're better than him that doesn't that doesn't gain favor
with him. That only you know now you're up to you know what, you
know, and who do you think you are now with? Okay, you stepping
out your line? Boy? Again, you're saying that that's how
they will put it? Which gal is a racist? Oh, well let people know
that to you. That this microaggression that's the
equivalent to boy for black women. Yes. I always like to
throw a little things out there for people. So you can have
context to that yeah, come up. My mom's did get triggered when
we go to restaurant. You know, I have guys and gals on the on the
On the bathroom doors, it was like, oh, okay, now I can't
write with that. But quick aside,
I didn't realize that thanks for is that still considered racist
today?
I don't think is well known but and this is where generational
things come in. And you know, that was the equivalent to that.
So now it's amazing like the crowd was clapping and stuff.
And you know, say like you they bring us out and now we're going
to hear I want you to listen to what Megyn Kelly thought she
experienced versus what she actually experienced.
I put my hand up I didn't really anticipate so don't let me let
you believe that I have some great heroin. That's it. Okay,
I'll go there get killed rot. No, no, no, no, I thought, well,
you know, they'll be mean, they'll call me names because
they do that in any new school. They won't like my blouse. They
won't like my hair. Did you expect I mean, no, no, no, no,
no threat.
Life there were there were ropes, people were holding
weapons. No, no, calling you the N word. It was beyond bleeding
through
my living room window. people throwing acid in my eyes, people
throwing lip paper over the bathroom stall. After about a
day and a half there I thought, Aha integration is a much, much
bigger word than I thought. Because I didn't understand what
people were willing to do to avoid sitting by me. And I like
me. I couldn't figure that out. All my life. God had said, You
know what? I mean, my grandmother's it God's God has a
picture of you on his refrigerator. He really likes
you. You're pretty he really likes you. So why would you do
that to keep from sitting beside me.
But when they put you in the school, they separated the nine
of you and said you want integration? You got it?
So you heard what Megan said, he had ropes and throwing the word
around. And no, that's Megan's
imagination. She's thinking something else, man. She's
thinking what day or whatever. I don't know
what not. That's what you saw from the images. It was much
worse. Right? Nobody. Everybody was dead when school first
started when the cameras left. And his kid was still going to
school. As you heard her say to ask her in her eyes. Try to set
her on fire in a bathroom stall. Shoot was the wrong home. Why
would you sign your children up for this? And I want to make one
last point before we move on to the next. The next phase of the
show. Is that in this situation? You heard her referred to her
grandmother and her mother. There was no man in the house in
this situation. Because no way in hell what?
My daughter's Yeah.
Cuz you got to make me kill somebody. He will say in the
name of progress. If you do that to my child, you're saying like
I'm going to be killed. So that's why a father would have
put the kibosh on like Nah, we ain't going for that. Because I
know how it ends, right? But you have the you know, Wilmslow
cool, a, you know, right, to say they're just different. You
know, when you go to a different school, you get nervous and they
be mean to new kids. No, this is institutional ingrained racism,
that's unbalanced
household that, that where that can happen.
Yeah, I like to say that how that conversation they want to
do it and then pick somebody else kid. You go you go back to
the high school you went to because you got to put me in a
very, you know, when you were situation
when you were singled out, you were treasurer, good for the
Freedom Riders. Was your dad there or he was already working
somewhere else not in the house at the time? No,
my dad was there. And but this is where this is where you will
always get vetted when you came back for somewhere. Like so. So
how, what happened? Cuz it was you see something, say something
in the house? Like if you see some craziness going on, are you
gonna be better tell us? Are you Oh, you will be just in much
trouble or more trouble. If you're saying if you didn't
tell. So but this this thing happens. And I don't think
people know how widespread this was Ms. In that was math,
science and engineering network. This is how you got the smarter
kids and you go to school on Saturday and they bring you to
college campuses. And this kind of thing. This was the vetting
system to figure out who to Boulay was the next Boulais you
know, and once you got that it's like okay, then you go out to
college and then the fraternities would come in, you
know, it pick you
how do you know, the test mode? What happened? How did you fail?
I'm gonna tell you like, when I went into the, when I literally
I failed the test. So I did this several times. One was like I
said, fourth grade Miss Fushi class. They came in and said, We
want you to go over to the special kid room not that
special but the like the app to get ag academically gifted class
and they brought meaning there. And it was a weird vibe in the
rooms and they had like lamps instead of like the harsh. They
had like the Beethoven going on there saying softly. And the
kids got to lay on like chairs and like sofas. That was weird.
It was like a real nice environment. But it was strange
because like, it wasn't a typical classroom. And I flunked
the test on purpose. Because I didn't want to be separated from
my regular class. And then going from fourth to seventh grade.
When they were like, Nick, did the Freedom Rider thing. I'm
like, like, you know, this is the time my dad gave me Malcolm
X the autobiography. I'm like, Yeah, we
go, and
then he would bring me here show me how to put condoms on bananas
and stuff. Like, what kind of freedom right?
Well, we know what they're doing programming, use some smart
skills to not recreate
exactly is that and I divide? And you might think I'm capping
or putting on No, it was the vibe with me. It's like, I don't
want to be here every day in this class, or I don't want to
be around these people with the next kind of this was 1988.
No, this was 19. Okay, for gray will probably be at a no, for
gray will be at 990. And then and then go for, you know,
saying three years. 93.
Yeah, this is not this is not ancient history as much as my
point? Of course not.
And they've come from my kids. They've come from home. Oh, we
want to put nah, nah, wow. Now, you're not gonna segregate them
all, you know, because I know how to end it, you know. So
moving forward, the point I want to make is when you do that, it
creates a brain drain, nobody really talks about it. On a
domestic scale, you hear about internationally, all we're
sucking all the intelligence out of India and all these other
places. But nobody ever talks about it, the brain drain in the
black community,
there is a thing a drain I challenge. Those who are able to
escape the ghetto, get a good education, and immediately go to
work for boring. Deal, whoever that dreams, talent, brain power
from my from that same market. So if you look at it as a
market, we've got a lot of challenges. And so therefore,
the Small Business got a lot of challenges, because you deal
with people that don't have the money and won't conserve the
money. So, you know, the black consumer therefore gets less for
their money, because they should have doubled duty dollars as the
other communities that is not only get the shoes that you
need, but you also bolster your community. We get issues, but
not the community.
And that was Raymond V. Haysbert, he was he worked with,
he actually fought with the Tuskegee Airmen, and World War
Two, and he went on to be the CEO of Parc sausage company, and
one of the black first black CEOs. Well, one of the largest
black owned businesses in America. And he was aware of
this, you know, until he parted his passing in 2010. That, um,
this is a serious brain drain. And on top of that, what happens
is, and we're going to, we're just gonna be a whole show. So
I'm just going to touch on this right quick. Now, we talked
start talking about reproductive behaviors, so we can't get you
not to reproduce, then you start reproducing interracially
because if you're taking to predominantly white
institutions, your eyes are meeting somebody else who's
going to be harder, they're gonna be of another race. So
this is you see it, you
know, it will fix the problem that way.
Right, brown Jackson, you saw that with her where she met her
husband and she met him and I believe school, and God and
Kamala Harris and all these other I mean, this is and it's
very Sose sick in a way that they think they can create an
acceptable form of black. You know, and this is what really
irks me what always
what always gets me though, is when we talk about these things,
and I completely agree with the statement you're making, but
when you say they want, it's, it's hard. It's a hard concept
for people to grasp that. You're telling me that people actually
think this way consciously, and I don't think it's that
necessarily. I mean, obviously the people who are who are
running and and you're putting the trauma in place and making
and using this for psychological operations. But it's so hard to
imagine that people would do that consciously.
And this is why I love doing this show, because it's hard for
me not to think they would do this. Yeah, I have a, I have a
diametrically
opposed, sure, of course,
view of it that, you know, this is intentional. Now, what their
reasoning is, I humanize it is fight or flight is that it's
either us or them. And the fat like said the fact that they do
it. And we've seen it and they continue to do it. It's been
pointed out and they can tell you to do it. We saw that what
happened with all we understand Tuskegee, and everything like
that, but then they come back with the vaccine. He was saying,
so it's like, how can
we understand you got trauma, but take it anyway.
Right there in the in the way they come at us dancing and rap
songs. Yeah, I'm saying like, Yeah, dude, not a serious
conversation. It's like, oh, yeah, you're seeing a spike
protein is like poking, you know, saying with the game, you
know, we come through and display everything up. That's
what the swipe protein is, like, why are you talking to me like
that? And why are you using Tyler Perry to do it? You see
what saying that? I cannot? And I wish I could. I know you're
kind of like, give you a sample.
I know you as a friend. To understand how you feel.
Completely. And I and I, you know, especially we're back in
the show, we're doing this my head like, oh, okay, yes, of
course, I get what you're saying. And that's
what seductive about it that you can get. Not you but people can
say you sure they this is intentional. I mean, like, when
I say to you like all the things, it's kind of like when
you first seem like this is a big play. You know, I'll
everything like the New World Order wherever else, you kind of
want to unsee it. It's like,
it's okay, this became a lot easier for me in this year, and
we've talked about this. The reason I started to look into
the biggest conspiracy theory of all Jesus is he was he really Is
he real? Right? Is because of the obvious evil that's in the
world. And if there's evil in the world, there's got to be a
counterbalance. So you it's for me, it's like I can't believe in
the good of God without knowing that there's that there's the
other side. And that's, that's what's operating.
And just to lend to you Malines imagine how every other
religion, you can't talk about. You can't talk about Judaism,
you can't talk about Islam. But Christians, you can renew up and
down, like a dome that you can say whatever you want, you can
make mockery, all these other things. If you say that about
Muhammad, or you're saying or Judaism, you get cancelled. So
when you start to see that, it's like, there's a conspiracy.
Yeah. So I just say that moving on, Malcolm X, this is him. And
he talks about whether we need to have integrated schools or
not. And if they're beneficial,
as your organization encourage members to attempt to enter
schools that have been known as all white,
the Honorable Elijah Muhammad doesn't discourage us from
attaining white schools. But he does say that it is better for
us to go to our own schools. And after we have a thorough
knowledge of ourselves, if our own kind, and racial dignity has
been instilled within us, then we can go to any one school and
we will still retain our race, pride, our racial dignity, and
we will be able to avoid this subservient inferiority complex
that most Negroes have, or that is instilled within most Negroes
who received this sort of integrated education.
You have the subservient inferiority complex.
So that that's what's missing, is that racial pride? And that
racial underpinnings? I mean, we're having kids now. The
mother takes them back to daycare at six weeks. They're
raising the daycare housing warehousing institution, he will
say up until public school, then they go to public schools. No
sense of community, you know, I mean, just the average, they say
the average without making this about single mothers or what a
single parent, the parents all working, the child is raised by,
you know, the daycare. There's no sense of community, you pick
them up at five o'clock, you bring them home, you feed them,
you play with them a little bit. I mean, there's no sense of
community. The thing was like, I'm like one of the last
generations that had that sense of community, even though it
wasn't like you were saying it was it was isn't perfect, but I
know who I am. So when I went to school, I wasn't looking to be
taught who I was. It was I was looking to be taught who I could
become. He was saying like it, but now it's like, go back to
CRT for me. You're a victim. That's the oppressor. You're
saying, and this is your a lot in life. Imagine being raised
like that. Nobody's countering that. So
except us here on the show. Hello. We're giving it a good
go.
Where you want to remind the people what we actually do? Yes.
And
it was interesting. The pastor at the church here, said, Hey,
you know, you talk about these? What is this? What's this mo
guy. So you should listen to the show. And, and I ran through it,
I said, you know, what we're doing here is exactly what
Malcolm X said, first, the
white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the
same table, the white man has to feel free to speak his mind
without hurting the feelings of that negro. And the so called
Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the
feelings of the white man, then they can bring the issues that
are under the rug out on top of the table and take an
intelligent approach to get the problem solved.
That's the only way we'll ever do it.
And that's exactly what I said. I said, you know, listen to
this. And all of a sudden, it became clear. Ah, that makes a
lot of sense. So yeah, we just got to that level right away. No
problem whatsoever. And I've learned more because of our open
and honest conversation than I ever thought possible. I thought
I knew. And
you've given me a lens into a world I didn't know. No. I mean,
like we say out Ahmet Deion Sanders, I know this person or
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88.
Alright, so with schools being integrated, sports had to be
integrated as well. And I think that's why we heard Jerry Jones
say he got in trouble with his coaches. They stand to benefit
from the increased or increased pool of talent that was right in
their art yourself. So I'm sure they had no issue, you know,
other than, you know, the typical racer things, but they
stood to get a lot of talent to come to that school. Now we got
to fast for this is the football game that broke racial barriers.
And it was against Alabama, which was a predominantly white
institution that hadn't integrated yet against USC
University and University of Southern California who had
emigrated well before Alabama had. And this is another setup.
As you will hear when we go through these next five clips of
these things are not happenstance. They're oftentimes
orchestrated. And let's go ahead and get into clip number 23.
In 1954, Brown versus Board of Education overturned the
separate but equal policy in school rules and the 1964 Civil
Rights Act ended public racial discrimination. But although the
federal government mandated integration, attitudes hadn't
changed, and in the south Jim Crow continued to haunt college
football, as late as 1969, the southern most teams in the SEC,
were still completely white.
A lot of great players from the South were either they either
had to play at the historically black institutions, or if they
wanted to play in the major universities, they had to go out
west go up north. So a lot of talent was leaving the
Southeastern Conference.
The South was starting to see some of their programs go down a
little bit, but the University of Alabama maintain their
dominance. They won three national championships in
1961 64 and 65, and should have won in 66. So what this did was
it created in the minds of Alabama football fans and fans
in the SEC, the idea that you didn't need to desegregate.
Yeah. Okay.
This is great history.
Yeah, it seems all connected. You know, starting with brown,
you see the ripple effects of that one piece of legislation
and court action to affect all walks of life. So, the funny
thing is, is that the SEC, the southern eff was southern. Ah,
I'm gonna lose my sports card. South ASun Conference, I would
think it was what stands for they're right in the south,
where Texas that can include that Louisiana, Georgia,
Alabama, Mississippi, Florida. That's football talent, you
know, ground zero, right? And these teams are like, No,
Alabama was like, We don't care. We read the wind with white
talent to integrate and that that goes to show you that they
read the put winning over breaking their tradition for
whatever reason, this is a breaking their traditions. And
that's where they kept it and we see this even with sports today,
there are quote unquote, white teams. Even to this day, the
Utah Jazz for instance, you know, they like having a
predominantly white star. Um, Dallas Mavericks is another one.
Mark Cuban loves having a white star. You know, that's kind of
like dirt Nowitzki. And now, Luca dachas Yeah,
I mean really think he loves having a white star is that he
that that he loves that? Boy Does he think he just loves
having a star.
Trust me in sports. Because it's this it's this phenomenon called
the Great White hype. I don't know if you heard it, you start
hearing in boxing or whatever. Yeah. Right. You're saying like,
is he not that he personally feels that way. But he
understands his demographic. And he's fans. And if you can have a
star I mean, you have to be first crop qualification is a
star. It was that you had to be great at what you're doing. But
then we have Boston Larry Bird the same thing that Larry Bird
and you're saying in Boston hit a little different you were
saying with the Combine that with the city, the city's
attitude, and it being a white athlete, right. So that's why
I'm saying Utah you're saying you have John Stockton is
noticeable
even for me I look at who is using this team? Oh, that's
Utah. Okay.
For whatever reason, like I said, this is you see this
happens so
interesting, called the jazz, you know, is where I would say
that few jazz greats were white. That's kind of
interesting. Know where they tripped. They got they, they
moved from
New Orleans. Oh, there you go. But still, they used
to be the New Orleans jazz, but they kept the jazz out that that
will baffle me of the key like, why do you Utah Jazz, like the
names? They left the jazz out? Because usually the city mascot
is something, you know, lends to what the state is known for, you
know, a few jazz greats come from Utah, which. So moving
forward, you see what's playing out here is that the
predominantly the schools it remained to refuse to integrate,
are starting to drop in status. But they needed a little help.
We were saying to push them down as well as you go here. And I
think He clipped 24 I believe.
Not only was Alabama enjoying success with all white football
teams, but the state was governed by a man who
deliberately played the race card to win his election. And
who kept a close public relationship with Coach Paul
Brian.
Fairly that was George Wallace this way of advertising. See
what an all white football team can do. What we didn't know was
the relationship between bear Brian and George Wallace was
very uneasy, that in fact, Brian had been needling and pushing
and and probing tried to integrate the Alabama football
team for many years.
We were conspiring as much as we could without rattling the
governor's situation. In other games video speaks well of Coach
Bryant, we're state institution and the governor is not ready
for integration yet. A lot of our funds come from the state of
Alabama from the Capitol in we would like to be successful, but
we're going to hurt the general public. The students and
faculty.
We weren't conspiring. Yes, I heard it. And you know who
George Wallace says, I don't know if you know better Brian is
or not Wallace. Yes, Brian. No. You've seen him before. You seen
his image and likeness in a movie Forrest Gump. Remember the
football coach of Alabama? Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. That was the
that was him. That was he's known for that hounds. Tooth
hat.
Okay, I gotcha. I gotcha. And
in here, I think they're doing a little bit of cleaning up his
image with this piece as well because he's very valuable to
the Allah University of Alabama's legacy. So you see
that you have to clean up like kind of rewrite history is
starting right not saying he wasn't pushing for talent, but
they make you're saying like that, you know, this benevolent
person that has this insight to say, You know what, we need to
integrate schools. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you hear if you listen to
the nuance and how they're saying, oh, you know, we were
conspiring and him it was really getting on the same page
together. No, no big deal. Just little conspiracy. No, he they
said I didn't say it. All with the conspiracy.
Despite championships in the early 60s, the racial factor was
beginning to hurt Alabama stature. Bryan's team finished
the 1966 season unbeaten and untied yet placed third in the
polls. The nation was simply not going to reward an all white
team and had become the flagship for segregation. By the late
1960s, the Crimson Tide was turning. And after a subpar 69
season, they were no longer reminiscent of a championship
team
is 69 there were people calling for his resignation, he said
game had passed and by it was time for Coach Bryant to go.
But we knew we had to get bigger, stronger, faster
players. And a large majority of the bigger, stronger, faster
player for Black. We did
have a African American on the team. But he was a freshman and
didn't dress, Wilbur Jackson, I think it was coming. And Coach
Bryant was you know, allowing it to happen slowly, it
was finally time for Bryan to make his move to convince people
that in order to start winning, again, Alabama was going to have
to fully commit to integration. But to do so he needed to set an
example.
So once again, you hear this, they need it bigger, stronger,
faster players and, and a large number of those were black
players. And another thing I want to point to was go back
because I want to Chris, you don't know sports, college
football, at least in this error. And my up until maybe I
think like maybe 1015 years ago, the AP voted on Associated Press
voted on who was the number one team, you have a bunch of sports
writers and they vote whoever got the most votes was the
champion. James how he could go undefeated. I'm tired become
number three, because you heard him say America couldn't stand
for, you know, him winning, being segregated. So they had to
lean when you talk about, hey, this is the day the media was
leaning on Alabama because once you start winning national
championships, the top players don't want to come to your
school anymore. I feel like well, you know, they're not that
the players want to go play at the best school. And that
started to make the deterioration of the of the
school and that's why he felt hard pressed to take action in
the way he did. Got it. So I'm just showing you how to meet not
in the media that was the media interfering to push their their
narrative but of course, so I think we start at 25 Let's go
ahead and go to 26.
The number one team in the 60s USC had a fully integrated
roster, including a black quarterback and a black
assistant coach one day prior to the 1970 season. Head Coach John
McKay asked his assistant Craig Furtick for a lift to LAX
airport. For an unexpected meeting,
in walks coach Brian with a houndstooth hat on the back
here. And he walked in and they Hi, Paul. Hi, John. Paul, what's
this about? John, how y'all like, come down to Birmingham
play us and the opener. Go says, What are you gonna pay me? He
says $150,000 goes smoke his cigar. And he says, Tell you
what, Paul will come down and play you in the old interview,
come out the following year and play us in LA. And I'll give you
250. And I'm sitting there and they said, bring us another
round here. And I set him on history. And I didn't realize
that at the time.
There's a conspiracy, right? Come down and beat the crap out
of us right at our home stadium in front of all the races, white
folks. And they'll get the picture that we need black
players not taking into fat what no black players are gonna go
black players we're gonna go through while they're there,
none of that. We it's for my benefit, and then continue with
my legacy in my career. And Amy's done over drinks. And this
was what year 1971 I want to say, Wow, I believe I believe
was 71. So I'm just like, 71, not years before I was born.
I hope a lot of sports fans out there paying attention to this.
This is why this is why sports is one of the most fascinating
draws for entertainment, because it's actually gone field court
wherever else and made a best man win. Right? That's why
sports is what I call a level playing field is legitly a level
playing field? Because sports has a rulebook. And society has
a rulebook. If you want to play it, right, it's called the
Constitution in America, you are saying is blessed play by the
rulebook? That's all we're saying separate but equal. Let's
play by the rulebook. We have this you have 11 players we have
11 players, you get to wear a helmet we get to wear a helmet
you know it's best and we'll see how it plays out. But as you see
is conspiracies that go on mannequins. This is an ending
footwear that for a greater good who knows. But nobody is
benevolent in this. Oh, you know, Bear Bryant woke up one
more. You know what? I have a moral obligation and let black
players play for me. No, it was for his his wish in. Nothing
wrong with that being self serving. I have no issue with
that is the fact don't sell it like something else. That's the
issue I have with, you know, with anybody. Right? But
it's not like that as changed in 2020 to 2023. It's just you
know, maybe, well, here we go. We're talking about sports right
now. With with the current story.
And this is why Jerry Jones was such in such a predicament
because he has to sign top level black talent to come play for
Dallas, his quarterback is black. You see I'm saying that
the CEO of his team, being the quarterback that's the CEO of it
is a black man. He was saying he I think he's biracial. But still
yet still he he's black. The top play offense, everybody's saying
like 8070 85% and teams, but if you If this carries out the
wrong way, he could have mutiny right on his team. And this was
the goal. I believe in my view of when that attack was said on
here is like let's shake up the you know, the Dallas Cowboys
nails, and maybe even the whole NFL.
Well, I you know, again, you know, I'm not a sports guy, but
maybe I'm gonna start paying more attention, not to the game.
Oh, watch for all the other stuff.
This is why they can talk about it for the six days. They're not
playing. Talking about it's a whole channel called ESPN, they
got to fill it up. It's four or five ESPN? What are they talking
about? All of these sub narratives, everything I mean,
it's politics and, and race and gender and all other things. And
you see is nothing new. That's why I like something that's
cabinet was something new understand? No, these things
have been going all the way go back to Jack Johnson, USA, like,
you know, unboxing the years in the early 1900s There sure sure
there was legislation you're saying creating demand at you
know, to entrap him in certain ways. I'm just saying this is
bigger sports, but sports is a huge thing in America. It's a
huge, very huge thing. So let's if you add something to it, if
not, we can go and continue on what on a part because yeah,
what
I was gonna say is I have to think and I'd love to hear from
some of our producers. If this is also the case with with
soccer as an example, if you look at the French Team let me
know if you if you had one second to look at any any saw
World Cup soccer French team all black guys all black now they're
African, right from origin of course, which is all French. But
there's I wonder I wonder how that plays into into sports in
general. That's not it, I don't know,
it plays a huge part it plays a huge part. And that's just think
if you didn't take some of the top NFL and NBA black players
and start teaching a soccer age for nobody would beat American
soccer. I mean, this just that. There's other sports to play
here, especially for that segment of society, you're
saying that has these superior athletic talents. So it's like
once you start getting that factored in, and if soccer is
super expensive to you know, America will be dominant in in
soccer the same way Europeans, Europeans got on a quick, you
know, they said that they don't stick to their national players.
They go they go outside, you know, racially national limits
that morning, but they don't care. They go wherever the
talent is, which that's how it should be.
I'm not so sure. That's why I'm What do you mean, I'm not so
sure that they only do where the talent is? I'm not sure. Sure.
I'd want to see if there's any racial element to some other
sports like that the outside of the US, the US I get it. Right.
I'm just curious. Um, this seems there's a lot more to sports
than I ever considered, certainly in the United States.
And if you got to put together a long distance team, you gotta go
get the kings. If you're gonna show us that, like 123450 I
think it's kidding. Just kidding. Racing TV, right? Read
it to you. Right, right. It's like they're done given
Highfather that everybody else is running. You're saying like,
so I'm just saying is, with genetics, you have certain
genes, you're saying that, that bring themselves out, you know,
to show superior talent and started things. Yeah, so let's
go and wrap up with the last last clip and he said
on September 12 1970, USC met Alabama on legions field for
what would become the first integrated college football game
play in Alabama. I wasn't
in a game already. Oh, and we all know some kale had a bit of
a field day and that gave Sam cutting them just ran up and
down the field.
We played eight linebackers trying to find one to come back
from and we know found when they can tackle.
Cunningham ran for 135 yards and score two touchdowns on only 12
carries. The final score was 42 to 21 Crimson Tide and lost the
football game, but was starting to win the war on segregation.
Bryant reacted to this game by shaking John McCain's hand at
halftime and thanking him for bringing his team all the way
out to Birmingham to help his program, quote, help our program
and quote
that sort of signal the beginning for for recruitment of
African American players in the Southeastern Conference. And I
know a lot has been written a lot of speculation, but I don't
have any question in my mind that it was all planned by coach
Brian.
He's got a spot in Alabama like Martin Luther King doesn't
worry. He left, he left a legacy for now will be matched.
So now we got to get to the 5000 pound gorilla in the room, or
elephant. All right. Genetics and sports. Why is it that 85%
In the NBA is is black American? You know, why is it in NFL? It's
such high percentage. You know, saying well, I'm from a certain
location in America.
My answer would be similar to Why are some of the best soccer
players from poor South American countries is because that's when
the minute they're born that's the only thing they can really
excel at. And, and that's what they're doing all day long. They
live, eat, breathe soccer, and that creates great players. I
would say there's some of that with with American sports. It's
just it's your I think it's social circumstances and what
you focus on to get out pa 30 More and more often than not
probably poverty,
that I agree with you that is nature means nurture, nurture
verse, but then when nature also plays a role in it, because this
is what nobody wants to talk about in sports, and this is why
Colin Kaepernick he played with this trope and meme, NFL being a
plantation and that kind of thing. But they measured these
guys from pinky to thumb, how big is your hand? How high? Can
you jump? How it was like every metric, they know. Sure. And,
and in the end, and the genesis of that is the slave trade.
Nobody wants to talk about this. And this will get you cancelled,
this will get your council back in Amy's if you brought this up,
because of how black people were bred, like animals in this
country. So nobody wants to talk about now. Hold
on, hold on a second. So okay, fair, you're saying that this is
genetics that has that was initially engineered by during
the slave trade. And once that's engineered, it stays, and it
continues to the bloodline.
It's in the gene pool. And the thing about it's like this, we
got to think about gene, and it took me a long time and how to
think of analogy, how to illustrate because, of course,
people are going to get into their emotions, of what are you
saying, oh, all black people are genetically No, no, no, it's not
gonna say genetic pool is like a lottery. Like you're saying,
like, think about the lottery balls, right? Yeah. You're when
you you only have six or seven numbers that come out, but it's
like 60 numbers in there. You see, I'm saying you might get
some good set of balls. And it will say because just out of
draw it a lot, and it's what they call people say, Oh, you
want a genetic lottery here. People say this all the time, or
you want a genetic lottery shirt being tall or you know, saying
or handsome or whatever. Attractive, whatever else. The
thing was, was the creation of American slave was based that
the, the lottery balls. And that's why it comes out more
often. Okay.
All right. All right. So if I were to say, wow, you know,
these guys, I mean, just look at him. This is, this is from
genetics. He got it from the from his gene pool. And boy, are
we lucky to have him on the team. Who would agree with me,
if I said, you will
get canceled, you will get cancelled immediately what I'm
thinking, but I'm gonna show you the difference because like in
football, you have these football families, you'll see a
lot especially in linemen kilometer big guys. And you
know, all you're saying is dad play and his uncle. Like the
auto family. There's no out of name saying that this might not
be a route, you know, the auto shows and it comes from a long
line of football family. No problem. But is very careful
when you get to the black side. And hey, you ever heard of Jimmy
to Greek? Let's progress the show?
Have I heard of Jimmy the Greek? I was doing radio in New York
City when this happened in 80s 8980. Right time Yeah. Oh, I
remember.
Even back then he got canceled for what he said. I want to show
you the news report.
Remember this? I was in New York City. I remember this. This was
huge news. This
is why I love doing the show because I get the inside scoop
on what but listen to how the news frames why he got in
trouble and possibly fired. And then we're gonna go back and
listen to what he actually said.
Reporter from WRC TV, was asking questions about Martin Luther
King's birthday, and the progress blacks have made in
society. There. CBS Sports commentator Jimmy the Greek
Snyder gave his impressions of blacks and coaching in the
National Football League. His answers could raise as much
controversy as the statements by former Dodgers executive our
campaign this last April on ABC Nightline news program.
Yeah, pretty sure they're gonna have to equalize it for the
blacks. For the Greeks, the Jews and for everybody, I mean, let's
make it equal for everybody.
And isn't equal to the sports.
Well, they've got everything if they take over coaching like
everybody wants him to, there's not going to be anything left
for the white people. I mean, all the players are black. I
mean, the only thing that the whites control is the coaching
jobs. Now I'm not being derogatory about it, but that's
all that's left for. So black talent is beautiful. It's great.
It's out there. The only thing left for the whites is a couple
of coaching jobs, and we need to get more black conscious. All
right with me. Okay, well, I'm sure that they'll take over that
pretty soon, too.
WRC was apparently flooded with complaint calls after the Snyder
comments were aired, Schneider issued an apology saying he was
truly sorry for anything he said. ABC. CBS spokesperson said
no decision has been made as to whether Snyder will work Sundays
NFL today broadcast Snyder's spending the night with Gene
Upshaw, the players union executive director in
Washington, and he has received support calls from Walter Payton
and Ahmad Rashad.
Oh man yes it's a mod were shot and he got some shit for that
too.
Of course he did because disliked when Jerry Jones came
out and only Steven a smooth came out caper for Jerry Jones.
You always have people you can call a Steven hey, I need a
solid you say a mod I need a solid
go What I remember now I'm just trying to think to this time
because this although this was this I think was the actual
problem that he said well you know what's gonna be left for
the Jews and the white guys you know, we got into and the
Italians and what are we going to have life? We're not going to
be in the sport. But he got canceled, I guess or fired or
whatever, for a different comment.
I'm glad I'm glad we land this outline. This is what podcast
gold is all about. What do you remember him being counseled
for,
for saying that? Well, obviously the black athletes are superior
because of their breeding as slaves and they were bred to be
powerful machines. I'm paraphrasing it's a long time
ago.
It's pretty close. But notice the news clip left that part out
a vintage news clip edited
out on YouTube and missed a lot there.
Right so now I had to go to stoner man is the YouTube
channel and forgive the music. But he's gonna get into Jimmy
the Greek being cancelled. Part One and Part Two. This is the
first part
it's donor man presents Jimmy the Greek the first cancel
broadcaster caution. comments may be triggering or hilarious
depending on your perspective.
The black is the better athlete and he's bred to be the better
athlete because this goes back all the way to the Civil War.
When during the slave trading, the big the owner the slave
owner would would would would breed his big black to his big
woman so that he could have a big black kids in Washington
today.
The local NBC television station interviewed people about the
state of race relations on this Martin Luther King's birthday
should
be the drink. Snyder is in hot water tonight over some remarks
he made today about flat athletes.
Well, they've got everything. If they take over coaching like
everybody wants him to. There's not going to be anything left
for the white people. The black is a better athlete to begin
with. Because he's been bred to be that way. Because of his
height guys. I don't want to live with the white guides.
And the Fallout was very swift.
Right? Yeah, that was there was a high thigh that was that was
the kind of like the the mean, that was the thing that stuck
the high thigh. And what do you mean, you're saying they're
genetically different?
They were genetically reproduced. And this did this
that make us misconception people have about slavery. Like
that you had slaves and their little slave cabins with their
little slave families. It's like, Alright, honey, I'm going
out the slaves, you know, and they go walk out the house and
I'll see me get home. No, it was scientific. And I got stopped
using it work. It was husbandry, it was like, Oh, you gotta
thoroughbred horse, bring them on over here. And I know this
because I own a thoroughbred American Bully. And his genetics
can be translated. You're
saying the right thing husband? It exists today. We don't think
two seconds about the Hindus about Indians. They husbandry
it's like that's what that's what a rant. Oh, that's the goal
of arranged marriages. Yes, people together. That way they
reproduce a better lineage, or a better project and the athlete
is a word
but on its head. Why is it taboo to marry your your cousin?
Because you get the opposite? So we're told correct, you get
mongrel retarded offspring.
But you don't want to have this conversation. I'm glad you made
that point. Because what is it South known for West Virginia?
Oh, you're married to your cousin you're married to that
stereotype is okay.
Yeah, exactly.
Or the northern thought they were dealing with when they came
down, sell all their cousin efforts or whatever saying like,
where do we get these? Where would you get these stereotypes
from?
Where do we get them from?
Yeah, I mean, who prints West Virginians as people to sleep
with their cousins.
douchebags.
And it's okay, it's the media. It's movies these days.
Yeah, you're right. You're right. Don't marry a ginger.
It's no good.
Oh, that's the I mean, yeah, exactly. I mean, they get I
mean, like, they're the white people that are black people,
the white people, you know, I mean, like, I've never
understood what I like how cruel gingers was treated mom. Like,
it's very bad. It's hard to blame
for everything to like, Oh, you're saying My car got a flat
tire? You're saying let's be a ginger. You know, that kind of
thing? No serious. I didn't I didn't know. Like I said,
that's, that was outside my purview. Without wondering you
start hearing like the stereotype is like, wow, like,
you know, wow, like, wow,
that's a very good point. Oh, so? Well, first of all, I'm glad
that we can just sit here and talk about because I remember.
Here's how I remember it going down because it was one I was
doing the morning show. With I think Scott Shannon, Ross
Britton, these were all huge. Z 100 more and all white guys.
Except we had a we had to Professor Jonathan B. Bell who
did sports black guy, of course. And but I remember that. I wish
I remembered exactly, but it was kind of Oh, Jimmy, the Greek
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Cabling or whatever. You know, they
wouldn't actually say, but you could tell that I was like,
EMTs. Right. But we're not gonna say he's right.
It's one of the things that we see monitoring that they talk
about what he said without actually saying what he said,
right? We started with the Bill Cosby thing. You know, they
never use what he actually what his confession was. They just
talked about his confession, right? Well, he confessed. Yeah.
It's like what he said, Oh, we don't worry about he confessed.
It's like, but what do you say? You know, like I said, this is
no cable for Bill Cosby, because he got his own issues. But what
I'm just saying is,
so they're coming to here comes the problem. Does the media do
that? Because they don't want to be complicit in some suspected
racism? Or do they do that, because they just want to keep
it quiet, keep everything going the way it is.
They don't want to on earth. Like, and this is why I pulled
out in the Megyn Kelly thing. You had the narrative that she
had. And this is no shot in the making, of what Bill's misfields
went through. But they you had well, actually what Miss bills
went through, he was sure the audio of ropes in words, and no,
they were shooting to me and trying to light me on fire and
throwing acid on me. And the same thing here. It's like the
idea of slavery, versus what was really going on in slavery.
And the converse is true in recent history with juicy small
a, there was Maga country put a noose around you. And of course,
that was all just trauma reporting for a
fact. Right? Or the one we we always like talk about as good
people on both sides. That kind of thing is like, we're going to
take this and shape it. But not to belabor a point, but I'm just
showing you, nobody really wants to have that conversation of
what, what x went into slavery. And that was more moderate
slavery, because when they had a steady flow, you'll say are
slaves coming into the country, it wasn't beneficial. But the
late stages of slavery was a lot of slave farms, they will
farming human beings. Now with that, if I've never seen a
business person want to make a inferior product, you're saying
just to be cold and callous about it for a minute, you know,
you take your best and breed to your best and make better. So
this I think this is why we have the the you know, the huge
quantity of these genes being manifest. Now, you're saying
like, okay, it's heavy in their gene pool, they had the things
that were desired. It was a it was a feature, you know, we need
to we need, we need him to lift and carry and picking haul. And
so we need to look for this type of this this phenom phenotype.
And we need to let that phenotype spread. See to all the
women. Sure this is American history, like people can get
frustrated or wherever but this is what that's not talking about
it.
No, it's so crazy because we've gone so far to the to the other
side that now we are at because you said business people that
triggered me. Business people businesses are making very bad
business decisions based upon cause I have people who sit in
boardrooms, I have people who sit in the largest medical
organizations. And it'd be like, Okay, we need a company who
wouldn't outsource this particular thing to? Here's our
choices. That one Yeah, they really are pretty white heavy.
So they're not they just can't they we can't choose them. So
the opposite is now happening where the DIS systems are being
made that are counterintuitive to the success of the business
based on race
it with theme that way, but whatever their real goal here is
right. It's like that. What is their real goal? I mean, it
seems no,
no, no. What's happening today in boardrooms, the real goal is
to comply with ESG. That's the goal. Right? It's not no
absolute, but you either do it this way, or you're guaranteed
to not make money. So you can do a little worse, or maybe sick.
40% Worse, but that's better than 90% worse. That's that's
the trauma that's happening now in the boardrooms,
because the steady drumbeat is to depopulation. That's the
steady, that's the steady course.
They've always wanted to kill us more. We know that not just you,
everybody.
Right? It will always say they start with not in, they start
with us. That that's the thing. It's like, ringing the bell
like, hey, yeah, I know how this go. And this is, this is why
people at all, that's why we went back to what you were
saying before, like, you see it one way, it's like, I can't see
any other way. I mean, because it's my paradigm you know, now
does I'll do I let that make me be ineffective? Do I let that
make me be in a state of being traumatized? And no, no, it's
just these are this is reality. You know, just like how they
delete it from what he actually said, because they don't want to
talk about what went on in this country just like they tried to
shut up about our holocaust. He's like, this is our
holocaust. Like, shut up. Yay. You say you can't say that. Why
can I say that? Everybody else is talking about their
suffering. Because you can't shut up.
Well, you can Yeah, you can say it just the mainstream says no,
we're not gonna we're not gonna broadcast that.
It I mean, they debate demand. I mean, gone before he went on
saying info walked out prior to that when he was like, you know,
Planned Parenthood is our holocaust. You can't say that.
No, you how can you how can you not tell what my suffer? I
cannot tell my story. You know, because they don't want down
Well, I mean,
okay, so the bottom line is, yes, you can say it, but you can
say it only in certain places like on a podcast,
right. That's why it is so powerful. Yes.
But that's why podcasting is more exciting, more interesting
than mainstream. Because truth comes out.
I would have been stopped. The phone, Boulay phone would have
been ringing. You bet. You from both sides, like what the hell
is going on over there? You say like, shut it down, or pull the
power to kick us off the grid? Because they don't want us to
talk about this. But you only can get to a note the real fear
is they think the counter to white supremacy is black
supremacy. Oh, it's really when the counter is just this it
wasn't we don't want to be polar go to the other pole. No, with
it is just like call it fair. And it's why sports is so
important. Because that's the one place on the field. You can
call it fair. Allegedly.
Yeah, if you got to there's a lot of things you take into
consideration refs people throwing games, etc. But yeah,
in general, on the field is where the truth comes out.
Cuz we can see it everybody can see like, Oh, that's a bad call.
Right? Like, hey, you're saying that he was out or he was in
like, it's very clear. You're saying here the line was the
outdoorsy is the definitive answer to it, where everything
else is, is objective right? Now, so subjective. You're
saying sports is objective. So let's go ahead and get listen to
Jimmy the Greek being counseled in the 80s. For his letting out
of the truth
in the Fallout was very swift.
I don't think the network was was any choice.
I don't I don't think the network's fired him. I think he
fired so I was trying. I was telling them how superior the
black athlete is over the white one, just for the reasons
that said he is
the Black tries harder.
He has made a big mistake. But then all of us do. And we have
to at some point time and people show a contrite heart. To
forgive to redeem and to move on
CBS on Friday afternoon here in Washington, our former colleague
Jimmy the Greg made some regrettable and offensive
remarks for which he has apologized. Yesterday CBS issued
a statement disassociated itself from those remarks. It goes
without saying that his comments do not reflect in any way the
thinking or attitudes of the rest of us here at CBS Sports.
While we deplore the incident this weekend. We are saddened
that I 12 Your association with me had to end this way.
It's such a great SIOP. You know, it's like everyone sees
it, everyone sees the balance. Everyone sees who performs
better. But not it's not, of course, our opinion, hertz
should be ash.
Because she can't say the quiet part out loud. Never. That's
what he said, That's where he stepped on, he stepped on the
third rail and NAS, what you just can't say that. And there's
one more part to husbandry before we move on, that people
don't want to factor in. But like I look at things through
Santo, illogical lens. And the fact that you had this plan, he
was saying planned reproduction going on for a better product.
And then you had white genetics coming over into that as well
through rape or interracial relations, or however you want
to look at it. There's a thing called hybrid vigor, which I'm
gonna do a whole show on this, what's it called? hybrid vigor.
So what happens is, when you take a white person and a black
person in may have a baby, the offspring can have super
genetics, because it's a new thing. If you so when you create
cross two things, in the will to survive, it has a higher chance
of having an in enhance genetics, which I think a lot of
the Coverity plan is about, it's like let's make use and mix them
up. This is why you're seeing this commercial mixed them up,
we're going to the super race, super race, super race. And
that's what they when you had this white genetic come over to
this already planned, you know, plan genetics for black people
that add it to it even more. Now, obviously, this is all
science. This is why Meghan Maher who quote unquote, is so
beautiful, or whatever you're saying is hybrid vigor. As
Rebecca said, and we got to be clear, is it looks over
representative because you say 85% mean, we're saying, Oh, the
NFL is black, blah, blah, blah. But I mean, what is it like 65
players on a team 32 teams, you're saying do that math,
that's not a lot of people. And they're looking for these kids
at every corner, every Pop Warner field, ever. I mean,
they're scouring the earth for the next LeBron James Sure. For
the net. This is, so it's like, okay, when you find one, they're
an anomaly within their race. You're saying within their race
itself? You know, I mean, it's not like as 1000 LeBron James
out here to tell you how small the number is. 1000 Michael
Jordan's there's only one. But if the likelihood of that being
manifested through reproduction is higher, because of what the
shenanigans that went on during slavery?
Or still go on for all we know, of course,
because guess what? You took me here, so they applaud yourself.
What do you think Planned Parenthood is a woman's not
gonna keep a baby have a buster are lame. And you're saying
like, they're gonna keep the tall attractive guys baby. is
still going? Yeah, it's still going on? Yeah,
yeah.
Yeah, it is.
As far less fucked up.
No, it goes across. I mean, that's just that got to go to
show it goes across all all colors there. Because you know,
saying, Oh, he's a loser. Or he's, oh, that was accident.
Is that not the natural order of the human spirit is to seek the
appropriate mate, seek it based upon? I mean, women
traditionally make themselves look more attractive men. And
this changes throughout time. You know, it's, if you want to
John Henry, like the massive kind of guy who's going to
protect you. And then, you know, in a different era, oh, we want
kind of the geeky guy, and then a new era. You want the guy with
the dad bod? You know, all these different different things that
are that morph and change maybe through popular culture,
probably. Yeah, but even let's look at women. What are
certainly what are black men highly attractive to sit girls?
Am I correct? Allegedly, allegedly, supposedly,
I mean, black because that's the narrative. That's why they take
a qMk and put her on a pedestal and say, Oh, this is beauty.
Yeah. It was saying that this is the media playing with that
narrative. You know, even though Kim K's appearance, it's not her
genetic. This is the sick part. You want me it's like those are
her genetics. Those are this this manufactured
so in in a sick way. The media is doing husbandry. Yes. So they
are in fact a bunch of racist kids. Dix,
scientific white supremacist they are because it's all about
creating a better race, a smarter race, a more fit race.
And when you introduce just willy nilly sake, you gotta
have, you're saying you gotta have a counter to that you say
you can't have all these people having all these babies they're
making, I'm thinking
about Obama as like, well, he's not exactly the right race, but
he's got ticks all the boxes, so we'll just call him black, you
go,
correct.
That's a good way to look at it.
Right. And I'm gonna say, I got a whole nother show. And we
built some of that. But I had to explain that wire so taboo to
talk about it. You're saying, because this is some heavy stuff
in there. And you're saying, when the fact that we do have
you ever had a conversation in which such a light, you know,
bounce to it, you know, is a great thing, because you can't
get the truth. Like you said, All humor, all jokes have some
truth in it, of course, and this is what we're dealing with right
here. So moving forward, Farrakhan he was at Michigan
State, I think back in the late 90s. And they gave the student
grabbed like a black student body or African Studies group
that wanted to bring them there. And they said, No, you can't
bring them here. You have to pay from pay them out of your own
pocket, even though the university would pay for other
question, we'll guess. So he addresses that and then comes up
with a possible solution to the bet black athletes at Michigan
State.
Michigan State is a great university, one of the finest in
this nation. But each year, the black football players, the
black basketball players, the black athletes contribute so
much to the coffers of this university. One football game in
one football game, black talent gives to this university
millions yet a black person that means something to black
students. Whether I mean anything to white folk at all is
irrelevant. But if I mean something to my own people, the
least you could do out of respect for what black people
give to this institution is to fact these two decent what they
want this is a shame. Maybe we ought to tell all blacks do
this. Get the hell out of white university.
Oh, no, no, we can't have that.
That's a bought multibillion dollar move potential
move. That's a baller move to do that. Yeah,
they they had it all laid out with collegiate sports. You
don't play the players? Right? You can work them for sunup to
sundown. You know, we don't pay them. Most of them are not going
to go on to the professional leagues, but then they can
monetize what you're saying they're actually playing of
games. One one being the SEC is one of the biggest benefactors
of this system. The SEC SEC the south south eastern South
Eastern
to me. SEC is Securities Exchange Commission. I'm sorry,
it could
it couldn't be much money isn't making. But yeah, Alabama,
Arkansas Allbritton. All the Tennessee all these schools in
the south are right ground since grant on ground zero for all
this black genetics. This is put it like that which makes an
error because that that's where the genetics were created.
Exactly. And they're monetizing it and they're not paying
anything for it. But enters go. Well, I
was gonna say so in if you're really into football. Do you
look at where someone comes from? In that way? Like, we're
looking at some new recruits and do the do the coaches only do
when did the scouts have the only look at the performance? So
they say well, you know, we got a good spot over here. We've had
some good genetic luck over here is that play into it?
Well, they look at this talent. But these there's these hubs of
talent. These schools that are not like for instance, oneness
in North Charlotte, North Carolina call end Pinellas all
the best players across Charlotte want to go to
independence. So you get like it's a million plus people in
Charlotte, you're seeing a large black population. So you only
have to go to these hubs. But now with the advent of YouTube
and everybody having a camera, you got film just telling
everybody what they know. Like I said, Florida, Alabama,
Mississippi, Louisiana and go over to Texas, you're saying all
these are hotbed with a call for blue chips. And even straight on
five star four star three star athletes. Cool. And they start
at 789 10 years old. This is why Nike had these camps. And
they're recording their metrics all he runs a 420. He can jump
this high. Oh, we got to keep an eye on this kid over here.
You're saying this is why at LeBron James, at an at an eighth
ninth grade, Nike knew who LeBron was because they had the
Nike camp. Right? They knew Oh, he's on the upper call. We got
to put him on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And they
institute rules like the one and done they say, Oh, we lost
Lebron James. He skipped over college. No, no more. We got to
go to school for one year. Right? Why cost? We said so. But
why does a top programmer have to go to college for one year
before they go to work at Facebook, IBM now most Google
most of them didn't even go to college. But college football
you you gotta go school two years lost college basketball,
you got to go once, right? Well,
they a they want they invest the initial money, be they're
probably getting money from Nike. See, they want to make
sure they get the money back
where they want to tie these athletes to these universities.
Because whatever they invested in them, they're gonna get a
look at Zion Williamson 100, you're saying he would have went
straight to the NBA. But he said, No, you got to go to do
and this is the this is the conflict I have with it. Because
on one hand, you're seeing these young man get the opportunity to
go to these prestigious universities get education, just
go if their athletics don't pan out for him, you're saying they
could be something, you know, meaningful in life. But on the
other hand, that legacy is still there. The way they met. That's
what gave Kaepernick the opening say, oh, yeah, they're their
modern day plantation owners. Imagery is there. Yeah. But
here's the problem. You have somebody like Deion Sanders,
I'll tell you what, we got no problem. Here's the problem. Dr.
Sanders came in. And he said, I'm gonna go to HBCU,
Historically Black College or University, and I'm going to
bring that top level talent over to the HBCU with me. Problem. So
let's go ahead and
get started.
I don't know. I don't know why. But I remember for whatever
reason, in New York, there was the D on why was that that just
popped in my head. There was something he would do and won't
go D on. Do you remember this? Ah, okay, maybe maybe if we get
some clips I'll remember.
Okay, so now this is when the first started in got hired by
HBCU Jackson State University 31 Gotta go
to the man who have done it all on the field and is now make it
an historic move to the sidelines to take on a
meaningful new challenge. NFL Hall of Famer Deion Sanders, has
been named the head coach of Jackson State University tigers,
and we're going to talk to him in live in just a moment all
about how he plans to make an impact at this HBCU. But first,
let's flip. Let's find out more about that big news from my
friend Deion Sanders this morning. A huge score for
Jackson State University in Mississippi. Deion Sanders, the
football hall of famer World Series competitor and two times
Super Bowl champion, taking over the head coach at the
historically black university.
That is a pivotal turning point for JSU football and Jackson
State University.
The announcement expected to bring renewed energy to the JSU
athletic program, making the school a bigger draw for
potential recruits, Sanders announcements coming on the
heels of five star recruit mCore maker who stunned us sports
world where he committed to Howard University, another HBCU
saying that he hopes to make the HBCU movement real so that
others will follow.
I remember it's not that big a deal. It was because of course
he was playing for the Yankees and the Mets were the fans or go
D like bad or bad about it. You know, that kind of thing. Okay.
That's what that was about.
Yeah. What you see now how he could become a disruptive figure
in his being. Yeah, very. And I have to say it is Deion Sanders
is by far one of the top athletes in American history.
And we're not talking about it. Are we talking about money
celebrity? I'm talking about Michael Jordan. Oh, yeah.
Because he had the personality, you know, saying like, he, he's
one of those people that he makes you smile by him smiling
kind of person. You know, he just, and he's so. So set in his
confidence. You know that it just, it's just amazing. I mean,
I grew up watching Dr. Always from Florida State. And he gave
me high hopes when he started going to HBCU. I'm like, okay,
that kind of figure going to the HBCU and kids are saying
gravitated towards him. That can be very disruptive. You want to
say something before we go.
No, no, no, I'm good. I'm all yours.
My friend the one and only Deion Sanders Dion. Thank you for
joining us. Congratulations to you. We heard one of your
players say Oh, it does doesn't feel real, that they feel real
to you and what went through your mind when the opportunity
to be the head coach of Jackson State University came along.
I was elated. You talking about a team academically that leads
the FCS in APR. You're talking about a school? That's
unheralded, 33,000 fans, which is astounding. You're talking
about four former Hall of Famers that matriculated from this
institution. I am excited. I'm I'm elated. I have on my whistle
right now. I cannot wait to get on the grass and do some
coaching. Yeah,
good. Don't blow you with the doing this interview. We don't
we don't need that this morning. But there are a lot of good and
a big 10 schools, for instance, big 10 schools today, they have
so many more resources. But you decided to go to Jackson State
when I'm sure you had other opportunities. So this is an
historic move why that's so important to you to coach at an
HBCU.
First and foremost, God led me to Jackson State. That's what I
can truly honestly say. And it's just sitting on that stage and
looking my people in the eye and saying and proclaiming what I
plan on doing with this program. We have a coaching staff that
has 84 years of NFL Experience combined coaching and playing.
And these kids just need the level field, just level they
need the playing field level. I cannot wait for this
opportunity. If you give us the resources you give us the same
resources that these other schools have. We're going to
prove that there is a highway that takes you from Jackson
State all the way into the NFL, and professionalism. We're not
just raising professional football players. We're raising
professionals
new the highway. That's right, roll.
That's where he messed up. Because when you set this
standard that God sends me for my people,
oh, he's Yeah, he's a Christian. Oops.
Well, you start tapping into that Messiah figure. By I'm
hearing you're saying that resurrect HBCU football people
start believing you. And when that dream comes to an end, as
you're gonna see later, he gets a lot of backlash from when he
decides to take his talents elsewhere. Does spoiler alert,
I'm just telling you, like when you start that God sent me for
our people, bah, bah, bah, that says, you know, okay, we got to
say we got up someone you're saying like, yeah, do you know
you're saying go to HBCUs. And I think that was the beginning of
his downfall for if he ever saw, you know, he didn't give
yourself any wiggle room, which I knew. And let's give me a
little history of Deion Sanders, like a quick 32nd history. Dr.
Sanders has always done what's best for him. He came up with
the term business decision. That means like, if a guy's coming at
him, he's a defensive player. I'm not gonna tackle him, I'm
gonna shout out push him out of bounds. I'm not gonna tackle him
because I got to live to play another game. Another day. So
this isn't meant not nothing.
That when you say Oh, I made a business decision. Is that what
he created the term business decision? Yeah. Fast forward. He
went from Atlanta to San Francisco won a championship
with San Francisco Super Bowl left from there. The very next
year went to Dallas, their arch enemy. USA. So it's like he he's
higher sward? Which I have no problem with that. You're gonna
say if you're upfront honest with people, but I understood
when you start making zoning around a God sent me and I'm
hearing you're saying that build the highway, you're saying and
yeah, that becomes a problem. So let's go ahead and get to the
final clip. Before we thanks for more people, but then I'm gonna
explain to you you're saying how it went wrong.
And I am HBCU proud of myself. So I think this, as you said, it
gives some legitimacy to the program that and does put you on
the same playing field, which is very important for all these
young men out there and and a top Prospect Record maker, he
was recruited by some big college basketball program, he
had announced that he was going to attend Howard University
because it is an HBCU. So do you think this is the beginning of a
trend by some of these young black athletes?
I'm praying so I'm not just the young black guy. Please parents
as well. Only a kid just wants to know when I leave the inner
city can I go to a better situation? That's why we're
trying to show them how wonderful the dorms are the
training tables. We have new facilities going in Jackson
State University as we speak, which should be concluded by
June. I cannot wait loans these kids know we're gonna get a
better situation didn't once we left, there have to do it. And
I'm praying that they do because we sent out a bunch of offers
yesterday to some of the best we're not recruiting low caliber
kids. We're recruiting the same kids at some of the major
universities are recruiting and we plan on landing them.
Alright, so you see the standard he set for himself? Yeah. That
was a few years ago. This is Pete George Floyd around that
era. You know, in the Colin Kaepernick this all in that era,
you know, saying so just to give you some context to help people
were thinking at the time, but let's go ahead and thanks some
more people. And then we'll get to the fallout after after. We
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Alright, so I gave you the brief history of Deion Sanders sports
career but we got to go back a little bit further just to
understand who he is in the making as a person. This is a
from a 2002 documentary primetime to Deion Sanders story
this is gonna go over his childhood real quickly so we can
just get an understanding who he is.
Deion Sanders grew up living with his mother and sister in a
public housing project in Fort Myers, Florida. A neighborhood
so riddled with crime came with its own jail.
The police decided to put a police substation right inside
the project. So they could take the jail right here in the
project. And they put barbed wire all around is a sort of
like a prison.
Dance all the pain and misery of the projects from close range.
His father, daddy Buck who left the family when dad was a child
was frequently unemployed and addicted to drugs.
My biological father died but he use drugs. I've seen him when
needles people in his room shooting up and those are the
reasons why I've never chosen to drink or smoke in entirety of my
life.
Mennonites, you know. We lay up in the bed and we talk you know,
and I explained to him you know that your dad is gone, but I'm
here for you. Last time we cried. We made
the Huxtables unreal.
Do you know an African American families? Really? I don't I
don't know anyone who whose father is a doctor to mother's
lawyer. I don't we didn't grow up like this.
So I rang the bell because um it just goes to show you that he
doesn't drink he doesn't smoke. And the worst thing you could
say like he likes to party I mean like how fun they me.
Strong black men raise his sons to be outstanding man. I think
that's why he was kind of marginalize for for somebody
with his I mean, you got to understand. Deion Sanders was
the only non quarterback to have his own video game. And that's
how I mean everything was I mean Nikes rise was really huge with
Dallas Cowboys rise and Deion Sanders rise. him running down
the sideline with a bandana on with the Nike Nike band Do
headbands around his neck all Nike symbols all over. But some
reason he they didn't elevate him like they do a LeBron or
even Michael Jordan. What could it be? Because he has clean cut
image, right? I just found that weird. You're saying that he
wasn't given the if he weren't given his flowers I'll say like
that, like you think he should have?
Okay. All right. So and there's reasons for that, I guess.
Right? Because why you don't fit that he didn't didn't fit the
profile? Well, it's a funny thing because he came in right
when hip hop was getting big. And he was one of the first hip
hop athletes you say embracing that. You know,
didn't even go imagery. You need to a hip hop song.
tinny. Yeah, must be the money must be baseball basketball
game, excuse me, baseball, football, a pro level baseball,
football. music video. I mean, he had it all. But for some
reason, they wouldn't elevate him. And I think the reason why
because he didn't fit that. Negative Hip Hop imagery. They
were trying to run when you were saying like, he's a preacher,
man, or whatever you're saying like, he's a goody, goody. So I
just want to point that out. Um, anything else you'd like to say?
No, no, no, keep up. So now we get to development of primetime
the actual personality and that's 36.
As a poor kid from the projects, Deion Sanders had used school
sports to steer clear of drugs and crime. Now at the age of 18.
As he graduated high school, he was facing new temptations. The
Kansas City Royals were offering the quick road to riches, just
as Florida State had offered Dion a free ride to college.
He thought if they can offer him send the 5000 He can make even
much more if he go to college.
I believe in me, like no other. If you don't believe in
yourself, hey, nobody else will.
And I think I'm going to school.
In the summer of 1985, Dion chose to attend Florida State.
By the end of his first year, he was making a name for himself in
three sports, football, baseball, and sometimes track
our track coach ask him when you run in one of our meats,
probably our only one of your meats. So he runs into meat and
whips world class fellas
that's the kind of genetics I'm talking about.
Yeah.
And there's only one Deion Sanders in his world. That
that's the level I'm talking about that you can just oh yeah,
go run. Right and what people have been training for. I mean,
that's their discipline is the run track and track it takes
form. I'll just go out here running now.
Literally just run. Right. I don't have any technique I'm
just gonna run.
Right so I'm just sure I mean, that that's that's one in a
lifetime you're saying I would say one in a generation type of
talent you know and God gift and ability but he was smart enough
to monetize it. And you can see how he was smart enough to
you're saying because you have control an image and 37 and you
if you would like to ask him
No, you rang the bell about him going to school? Because you can
make more money. They said oh yeah, yeah,
cuz he understood like if they're gonna pay me 75,000 To
play baseball minor league I gotta be worth more and that
leads me to my Master P quote, you're saying that I learned to
live by another person that you know, he didn't conform to the
way the industry wanted to go with music. But he said if they
want to pay you to me you must be worked for right so it's this
mentality of knowing your worth believing in yourself. You know,
and this is this is the kind of people we grew up looking to you
know, saying like primetime out there he get the respect he's
supposed to get you know, I'll tell you up there with Jordan
Isley that kind of person not take away money and personality
and and position. He's up there with those guys. Bow right on.
Alright, so 37
Deion Sanders deals.
By a sophomore year Dion had sealed his reputation as someone
to watch. The ambitious 19 year old wanted much more. So Dion
created a character he felt would distinguish him from the
rest of the pack. primetime.
Somebody convinced him hey, you can make a lot of money if you
sell yourself and that's exactly what he did.
Stealing a page from the school of corporate marketing being
created Character gave it a nickname. He began wearing gold
chains and giant rings. Dion drove around campus and his new
Chrysler convertible with personalized primetime license
plates. talking on his cell phone all courtesy of his hard
working mother Connie. The top quarterback in college football
hope primetime would help draw crowds and ticket sales
convincing big league scouts to write him vaguely checks
he's the miser quarterbacks isn't making any money. He's got
to do something to make plenty of money. Because he always used
to always say a closed mouth is never feed just created a
monster.
But the prime time monster was more than just clothing. Time
Time was also an attitude. An attitude Dion created based on
his four favorite sports idols.
Muhammad Ali because I love his brashness, but he backed it up.
Hank Aaron for the way he endured those trials and
tribulations racism. OJ Simpson.
He was juice and pizza care his life and took care him
Dr. J. Julius constant professional business life slide
of the dramatic.
Did it was his mama momager.
No, and that's that's cap. That's bullcrap that his mama
was paying for his cell phone and Chrysler LeBaron that he was
dropped, taught close the Luberon he was riding around it.
That was Florida State. And if this is this is the day like we
see I grew up ground on ground zero of collegiate sports in
Durham, North Carolina. Do you have a chapel here? Right, we're
seeing an eight miles down the road. We saw these guys receive
Wallace Jerry Stackhouse. All I'm saying grant, he'll have
money you're saying Dad was wealthy or rich, where however
you want to put it. But these guys talking about Dad had come
from nothing. And all of a sudden, they're moving their
whole family down for wherever they lived in apartments. And
then once that is, is a double standard, you're gonna hear a
little bit later that his mom was paying for all now he would
say he did everything he did, because my dad had no money. Now
all of a sudden, she has all this money to pay for what he
has. You see what I'm saying? Like,
well, that's like my, again, I was 17. But 18 Whenever I went
to college, and I had no idea I was I for all intensive
purposes, European. I didn't know about anything. And I you
know, I connected pretty well with with the football team and
a couple of guys on the team. And it was invited some parties,
and it's like, Oh, this guy's off campus. He's got a cool pad.
He's got a car's on a coach take share that we mean the coach
takes care. shouldn't talk about that. Ah, okay, so now I see.
And it's
really the boosters who take care of Oh, yeah, that is and
just as a quick aside, we've saw boosters in a movie, but they
put a sugar coat on it called the blindside you ever seen that
lie? Of course. I've
seen The Blindside? Absolutely. Okay.
The movie is a lot different from from reality that they
picked this guy up off the street in your disk, brought
them into their home and dad to teach them how to play football.
That dude was already a top recruit. Right when they but
they brought him in their home. And with the understanding that
you can go to school where you want to, but we're your but our
family and you're part of our family goes to I think it was
Mississippi State or omit one of those schools were SEC schools.
There's no saying and this is common. Got a guy went to school
with they realized he could play basketball real well in Round
six, seven a great plan Little League. family moved him in.
LeBron James went through the same thing. And it's a
phenomenon. If you ever watched any professional draft, you're
going to see the family and you'll see oftentimes the white
family that you're saying like oh, this is an asset,
the Sandra Bullock, right.
Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, watch any Sports Draft, we were
saying you will see. It's the real family, the biological
family. And then there's the benefactors, which I have no
issue with. You're saying My issue is, we need to start
taking these kids in route to HBCUs. And I'm not a hater. It
was working. But I'm telling you this. They like to paint the
blind side. Oh, we didn't know he could play football. You were
saying like, No, you knew exactly what you were getting
when you let him in your home. You're saying and it was with
the understanding that we could rouse you as a booster to our
university. Alma Mater.
So when you saw the movie, The Blind Side, right? Do you see
it? Nothing. theater. No,
I saw it at home. Okay,
so what did you think of it?
I knew exactly what was going on from the beginning. I mean, I
hate the sound light but I really do what is
so what was the point of this movie? Was it just a feel good
movie,
no to properly put to popularize that method to say it's okay to
saying bring top five, four or five star recruits into your
home to route no to your university. And like I say the
thing about his mom getting pat him on paying for all that
stuff. We saw his eye on we used to the mom and Nike head gave
her a job. You don't say like come on site they will LeBron
James his mama bought him a Hummer, he will say like well.
So what I'm saying is is very clear. And it was all movie
called the program the boosters count to get at her $100
handshake. I'll go down to the booth, go down to the
dealership, a booster now never runs the dealership, pick out a
car and listen, that kind of thing. Or you get a job you
don't have to show up to and we'll cut you a paycheck, that
kind of thing. So I'm just I'm just saying like there's a whole
system to it. And now that to show you that Dion was
effective, which I'm gonna skip over 38 and go straight to 39
for the sake of time, but all 38 was saying what Deion Sanders
said, I am a he said there are people coming to me saying he
felt like he should have been a preacher. But he's like, No, I
just go directly to the people. And that's the back said that's
the that's his personality. People are drawn to him. They
love Trump. You're saying we all love i don't know i haven't met
a person yet that didn't like Dr. I even myself, I hated Dr.
When he played for 40 Niners. Next year he called the Dallas
biggest dei fan in the world. He was saying like this is what
kind of guy he is.
But you know, I can't remember as a super charming nice guy.
Right with this huge million watt smile. He was
exactly very charming. Very charming, right?
So the show that he's it was effective at what he's doing. I
got an 18 second clip. Now next, just because you know why
sports, Nick Saban is like the king of college football right
now at Alabama, at the same Alabama that we spoke about
before. He was saying University. He was getting off
me Alabama, they had guys that wouldn't even start and going to
the NFL. This is how stat he was with talent. Dion came in and
started becoming effective. upset him out albacore you could
hear it in 38. We have
a rule right now that says you cannot use name image likeness
to entice a player to come to your school. He'll read about it
in the paper. I mean, Jackson State paid a guy a million
dollars last year that was a really good division one player
to come to school. It was in the paper and they bragged about it.
Nobody did anything about it.
And went Wow, okay. It's not supposed to be unmentioned.
You would think I mean, cuz I'm telling you coach Kade I love
Duke basketball. I love ACC basketball. But Coach K was
paying players not him. But the boosters. Dean's to me it was
paying players not him. But the boosters. All these teams pay
their players one way or another. But the fact that when
Dion started doing it, and then they changed the rule recently,
where these player can start using their kneel or name, image
and likeness, to monetize themselves, YouTube channels,
whatever else now is a new game.
Now when you say the boosters how does that mechanism work, I
understand what they are but where it tells me how the can
now it connects to the university where
the boosters they write checks to the university so the
universities can have added it's two ways it works. It's above
board and below. Well, three ways one, you can house
potential recruits like The Blind Side and route them to
your universe. That's one way let them borrow your car
your convertible
right to you can write a huge check, you know, in help pay for
these facilities. Wherever guy you're saying they got the top
of the line nutrition top of the line. training facilities.
weightless, right? When they get injured. They have these pools
they run in zero gravity pool that treadmills in their locker
room look like for
Alabama, to make the facility attractive for them to come to.
Right. And not only that, and here's the thing if you say to
me, my son and he turns out to be a five star athlete and you
say do you want him to go to Alabama or HBCU there's a real
there's a real conversation and thought process. I'm good It's a
third one, but I gotta lay it out the second one. Rehab, these
guys tear ACL MCL. All the time. Alabama's team doctor was the
team doctor for pro athletes as well. Everybody flew down to him
to get their ACL MCL is repaired right? Yeah, this this is how
serious I mean, like, like you will do a thoroughbred horse.
You're saying we gotta let him run? You know, we can't let him
we're
treating them like they're animals. Mo.
Exactly. Now, you see, now you see the legacy is still there.
But if you like I said, Now, if you get hurt at HBCU or small
school, you might go to you're saying the county hospital and
your career is over. You're saying that we've seen this all
the time. You saw that in Friday Night Lights you're saying with
the movie with movie Daniels? They're saying towards me career
over? I'm just saying and then the third one is that hurt all a
handshake kind of thing which I laid out. You're saying? The
under you're saying give you money under the board. Right.
And recently this the captisol off? Brett Farbe he was leaning
on politicians to Bill his daughter's volleyball team of $4
million of volleyball stadium.
Yeah, but he's Brett Farve so okay.
Right. He was able to do all this. And it was like no harm no
foul. So I'm just showing you when you start coming in and
being effective, like Dr. Was he was started getting top
recruits. It's kind of an I had to say there's no way to save
that. You got to get rid of him. And what I mean get rid of him
is a lot of people say to Dr. Sell out, did Dr. Sell out? I
say no Dion was bought off. Let's listen to clip 40 and then
explain to you what I mean by that
Deion Sanders wasn't really paying attention. And then like,
the social media blew up, people will no longer friends anymore.
Social media after Thanksgiving. That would have been I know
fried about politics. So Deion Sanders, named head coach for
the University of Colorado after coaching at HBCU Jackson State.
Some people have been critical and felt like it's just loyal.
But other people like don't count his money. That's right,
my man get ahead in
the world. And you know what? disloyal, he only revived a more
abundant program. They're brought all kinds of attention
to the SW AC the southwestern Athletic Conference, otherwise
called the SWAC. And the HBCUs. In general. Well, yes. Everybody
benefited from the glare of the spotlight that he was under. Not
only do he do a phenomenal job winning two consecutive swag
titles they play in the championship game. The bowl game
coming up, I think is December the 17th. He said he is going to
finish out the deal. Hey, look, he never said he was there to
stay for an eternity. The two issues one because the HBCUs
have been so overlooked since the NFL raided it of all of his
awesome talent decades ago, and he now has brought new attention
there. That's a good thing. They've all benefited Dion
speech when he was talking to his players, he made the point
that, hey, in the coaching profession, you are either shown
the door, or the few times that happens, you can walk out on
your own. So he's got other things he wants to accomplish,
and everybody's going to benefit.
Is this ESPN or TMZ?
This was CVS. This is good more than one of those morning shows?
Like Yeah. The main morning show or whatever I have over CBS.
Gayle, your show could ask Jim, that's Jim Brown speaking. I'm
not the Jim James groundskeeping. Not Jim Brown.
But yeah, so when he said I'm leaving and going to University
of Colorado, predominantly white institution, or white school, a
lot of people are upset with Dr. Sure. And rightfully so because,
in my opinion, you set the standard that I'm here to build
a highway, you want to stay in front, you know, and I'm here
and we got to be honest, now is where we get to get to be honest
about we all we all have been honest, but brutally honest. He
set the standard that he was going to be this change agent of
change to come in and use his celebrity to draw kids and money
to Jackson State. And you know, all of that.
And it was only two years or something it was there. Right.
Right. I think three years if I'm not mistaken. Oh, well, I
wouldn't know. Well, I'm not sure myself. It was three years.
But here's the thing, Jackson State let you be prom. If you go
to Alabama, you're going to be proud but within our parameters,
they gave him carte blanche Send a B and whoever say Do whatever
you want to run the program how you want it to. And a lot of
other schools didn't want it like Deion Sanders coached their
school because they were like he didn't have a college degree and
all it is. So the HBCU gave you your chance. And they you came
in with all this Messiah talk. So you can't be frustrated with
people, because they expect you to live up to your expectations.
Now, on the other hand, Jackson State didn't take care of Dr.
Order school. And Jackson State is down there. And you're saying
in Mississippi, where they had the Jackson, Mississippi where
they don't normally have clean water, he was saying like, he
had to cut the grass himself. They would like say they didn't
couldn't pay him. But this is what I can say I'm kind of torn
because on one hand, I can see it both ways. You set the
standard that you didn't live up to. But I understand who Deion
Sanders really is from following who I'm saying all my spending
most of my life, watching this and watching these business
moves. So you know, that's that's the weird part about it.
And it's like, we can never have nothing unless we start building
it ourselves. And people like, well, that's a far fetched
dream, not to me. Now, we got to have a little more storytime, I
went to three colleges, right. First I went to my parents went
to Appalachian State University. That's what I graduated from.
And the only reason they went there because they went back to
school in their late 20s, early 30s. And that was the only place
to have apartments on campus in the 80s actual apartments that
was near where they grew up it. So I grew up on a white campus,
you know, and they were even broken and proud of me, then he
was saying, because I was like, I went to school on campus. And
he was I remember being at an apple two computer and like, Oh,
you're saying, oh, black kid can work a computer, you know,
saying, and that kind of thing. I mean, like looking backwards,
you can kind of tell I mean, not saying a negative way. But they
show interest in me, you know, saying, of course, because I was
these black face in all white class. So my parents graduate
from there, both my brothers went there and graduated from
there. Here's your cause my turn. And I really didn't want
to go, I really didn't want to go at all. I wanted to go to
black school, right? But it was like torn, because it's like, do
you go where your parents graduate and your brother?
You're saying keep the family tradition? Or do you go what you
want to do. And I went there one year, and I will come to school
on Monday and leave on Thursday. That's how I have my classes set
up. And I will be back home Thursday night. Because it was
just, I was a fish out of water. He was saying, I would just it
just didn't work for me. So then I go in. I told them I'm not
going back to school. Like right before, right before I was
taught to go out comes the slipper. Right? It was a nice,
you're going to school somewhere. Like when she told
you that you saw then I go to UNC cu NorCal on central Central
University, the ones that beat Jackson State recently. So in
the championship game, and I go there for a year and you're
saying as a you go to school somewhere option, and then I end
up at Northland NC State University, you know, and I'll
just say it like this, I think every black kid and experience
that they'll be in that kind of nurturing environment and weird
part about it on campus nurturing, but the problem is
they build it in low low income real estate around it. So you
get this weird thing like you're on campus and you're doing your
thing. And if you go one block over you might get robbed. And
that's a reality and that's Deion Sanders got stuff got
robbed we're saying down at Jackson State. So I'll lay all
this out to say you're saying this is why this show was
important for me because I could kind of see it both ways. But
going back to App State, they had a football team and they
were kind of rinky dink when he first started out but they ended
up being one of the biggest schools in college football
Michigan University University of Michigan and I assure you if
his continual growth and building you could get to that
level you know saying like you not sit where you start off of
course everything's possible but a lot of people believe I'm
saying go for the Fast Book, you know that kind of thing you
know, and and you it's that town the Tim kind of thing and you're
going to hear in the next set of clips. So he made the wrong the
right decision. Would you want to say something I'll just I'm
doing a lot of talking because you know, it's part of this is
the person who shouted me Sure.
Well, all the shows are personal. Right? I was just
saying like, you certainly didn't choose the fast buck
doing a podcast was what I was thinking.
No, I mean, the same thing is exactly I mean, you talk about
this all the time like I could easily go and hold myself out
you're saying to either side left or right and oh you know
saying as long as I use their talking point I could do all
right you know saying but it's like no, I'm autonomy is huge
for me. Right, it was and I think that's a real problem that
Dion's gonna face in Colorado. And I honestly believe I'll save
that for when we get to this set of clips. But autonomy is huge
for me. And I think this is the best option and the same thing
with not taking the jab. Right autonomy is using me you're
saying like is, that's the only way you can be a man if you're
autonomous. I agree. All right, no Storytime with Moe, let's go
ahead and get back into 41
Why can't Deion Sanders just choose to be with who he wants
to be?
Oh, he can go take whatever job he wants. But when you come into
the first job and sell the idea that you are going to be the
savior of HBCUs and you are going to raise the playing field
not just for Jackson State but for everybody else and you're
gonna do it because God told you to do it he didn't said that.
You said that he explicitly said that God sent him to do this. Oh
no. Then when you leave Yeah, people are going to ask
questions about what exactly it was now I don't go into the
sellout place necessarily. But I do think he's the monorail
salesman from The Simpsons he went in he sold the big dream
now if you paid any attention you knew the dream he was
selling wasn't possibly it was not an achievable one that he
had but he sold it and he got people to believe it and then
each have to
do some left so as you know Shannon Sharpe price so she and
you heard his comments. I want to play them for our audience
because he Shannon Sharpe has a sort of a rising tide lifts all
boats. If he did it for Jackson State, then maybe that helped
the entire HBCU let's play this and I want your response to it.
Okay, that's interesting. Couple things that while it is probably
a good lesson that you know, if you're gonna say God sent me to
do something, you know, people are going to expect some big
things. That's not exactly how it works. But you know, people
will Oh, okay, well, if that's the case, and then the minute
you decide do something else, which God could have told him as
well then and then that doesn't compute. So that's always a it's
always a risk to do that.
And it taps into the psyche of waiting for Messiah. Yes, it is.
It's our rampid thought, two things. I want to dress it one
at one clip. One is the rampid thought and we're waiting on the
Messiah. You're saying who's the next MLK? Who's the next Malcolm
X? Who's bro you be the man in your house for your children?
Right? I'll do the same. It wasn't and we will have
continuous improvement. Not waiting for somebody to carry us
to the promised land like Moses, you know, and that's what Kanye
was kind of tapping into as well. With that, you know,
saying I'm here and I'm like Moses kind of thing. Excuse me.
Yeah, I got I got to stop doing it. But you're saying they were
saying because like Colin cashes out Muhammad Ali Cassius Clay. I
don't want to be disrespectful, but it's just a muscle memory
thing. But you know, and then the other thing is, is this was
his name. The other guy talking? I know his name. I can't think
of it on the in the clue. Yeah, I can't think it's Bomani.
Bomani Jones, I believe it is this downward thinking like, oh,
it's an impossible feat. Not I don't know. How, I mean, this is
a thing like, oh, when you say this is the kind of downward
thinking that we had to face is that oh, you're saying oh, you
know, that's, that's impossible. Nothing's impossible. You put
your wheel to it and belief in it. But that's the kind of thing
like he should have been sold out. That's what I'm hearing. He
should just should have went straight past go and collect his
$200. And it's the justification and I'm gonna tell you this,
this hit home with a lot of the sports casters, cuz he's like
what you were saying about the podcast? He's like, why don't
you start your own podcast? Why don't you go to YouTube and
start your own channel? Why you are here working for ESPN.
Sally's saying Deanna sell out by working for ESPN. Me saying
like, we all know the history of Disney. But it's like, whoa,
like you were saying? Yeah. Hello. It was weird. It was
weird. He was saying just weird. Did he strike out on his own,
but y'all will? Well,
I mean, this is mainstream media, you know, what do you
expect from him?
I was gonna say, that wouldn't be expectation. I was gonna say
to be at least fair. I mean, like y'all are working for big
organizations and companies. Sure. So, like I said, if
the media builds up, the media breaks down. The media
facilitates a comeback. That's the way it always goes.
And we start at 41 or 42. We 42 is up next. Okay, it's gonna get
in the 40. Sorry about that. Let's go and get the 42 D and D
is something that very few coaches are able to do. He
leveraged his relationships. Skill. No football team had more
uniform than Jackson State, except the University of Oregon,
Under Armour. Every single week. They got new helmets. They got
new unis. He did this with our Walmart He took 150,000 of his
salary and helped finish building the facilities he did.
He leveraged his relationship with American Airlines. He
brought us to HBCUs guilt by talking about HBCUs, especially
now, they're talking about their own television. That's because
of him. He gave you a blueprint. Now follow the blueprint. He's
saying basically, mission accomplished. But do you think
Well, I mean part of it, and Allah shattered the death. Part
of where I disagree with him is somebody that was singular to
Deion Sanders, like we do have to admit that he is the
charismatic individual, like, just because Dion could do it
doesn't mean that everybody else can do it. That's the first
part. The second thing they're gonna play in the celebration
bowl, I believe next week in Atlanta against the champions of
the MEAC. They played in that bowl game last year, South
Carolina State blew their doors off in that game. Do you know
the head coach of South Carolina State? Can you name a single
player, South Carolina State, I can't, it brought attention to
Dion, it brought attention to Jackson State, you weren't gonna
bring attention to all these other schools in the time period
that he was there. Like if he was really going to accomplish
that. That's a 10 year program. At least you're saying he had to
stay.
Alright, so that once again, that negative thinking one thing
that was the uniforms, a point I want to make on that is that I
only difference between D one and D three HBCU. And he's even
saying these different levels of football, is the cameras is the
uniform, you know, what's that like?
To show the show element?
Right? You can shoot it a certain way. I mean, because
like when HBCU you got like one stationary camera to fit your
line. And then you got maybe a couple on the sidelines.
100% is like Elvis performing in a circus tent. I mean, you need
you need the whole kit and caboodle to make it the
spectacle that football is.
Right. And a lot of that is the uniforms. And the cameras. You
know, we've seen this, you know, so that's one thing. And he did
laid out in the blueprint because he could have easily the
blueprint is bringing celebrity coaches, I don't care if it
could coach football a lick or not. You're saying I won't.
Jerome Bettis and all these legends walking up and down HBCU
HBCU sidelines as the draw. And then your staff be you're saying
we'll highly trained. But you're the draw. You're saying you you
are that's what Dr. Not to take away from his football
knowledge. What I'm saying you're the ambassador for your
school, you know, you're going to do in the press runs and
whatever like that. Now, one of the things I want to talk about
is one of his supporters was Walmart. Walmart, you dare to
push the vaccine? How heavy is it? Nobody's going to talk like
like this because they either gonna be pro prime or anti look,
I think probably a good thing. I think he should stay in longer
if his goal was to build that highway, but if you want to take
his talents elsewhere, you know, I'm all for it too. Because one
thing is his son played for him and his son's a quarterback and
if he wants his son to go to a pro B go to the pros. He got to
go play against you know, bigger not bigger school but schools to
get more attention right that's the thing. But Walmart they were
pushing the vaccine heavy at Jackson State. Dr. had blood
clots in his toes and lost to his toes when right after the
vaccine was started being pushed crap. Nobody in Elgin when a
fact check the two for you people saying he had a long
history of injuries data. I'm like, No, that whenever they
fact check something, that means something stinks. So I had to be
honest with you, like all money ain't good money.
Do you think that was a part of his decision to leave?
I don't know. But I want to say this. He should have factored in
and thinking about decision where he's going to Colorado how
attitude but we know how to plays in Michigan. Yeah, for
sure. We get some value prayer for Dr instead of prom, you
know, because I don't know if you factor that in or not. But
um, yeah, so I would just want to lay that out there. And just
one final point. The reason why I say I don't think he sold out
I think he was bought off. He's going to want to code this. No
pun intended. Why this place is there is Cotter University
Colorado, having a black coach for there is nothing new that
has to before two or three before him. So it's not that
spectacular in that case. What is is Nike has a long, lucrative
relationship with Colorado. I think this was the body on off.
So he doesn't become the change agent that he wanted to do. To
start saying, Oh, we can start going to HBCUs. Because what
people don't understand is in colleges where you meet your
agent, and colleges where you meet your lawyer, and for these
monies, dues or financial epicenters investor where he was
saying like,
it's a serious industry, I mean, that's obvious,
right? And colleges where you meet colleges where you meet
your wife. It wasn't that we got to factor it in there, too. When
they bring these black kids to these schools. That's higher
chance they're gonna meet a white girlfriend. Oh, why that's
all this plays into it. Shonda saying like, I think I think it
was a high level decision to say, you heard Nick Saban. Look,
he already to one player five star player from us. You want to
let this keep going? You know, do you want to go back to the
Bear Bryant age. And that's what that's that's real. That's real.
That's the reality. So anything else you want to add to it? I
know I said, I know a lot. But
I'm enjoying it. Because this is not my territory, obviously.
Right. But I like it. And I'm actually thinking I should pay
more attention to this. This might be fun, this football
thing
in all you have to do is watch, you don't gotta watch the games,
just watch the sports news. I mean, like the sports media,
because that's what they argue about all day, every day, you
know, saying these different different facets of the game,
you know, how they play out, you know, and in real life. So, got
the last clip 43 Let's go ahead and get into the backlash.
60 minutes, profile them just like a month or two ago and it
was on that program. He said, I believe that God called me
collect and I had to accept the charges. And then he said this,
let's play it.
That's a lot of folks sit back on Twitter friends and talk
about what they're gonna do and and I wanted to go do it. Do
what? Change lives, change the perspective of HBCU football,
make everyone step up to the plate and do what's right by
these kids.
didn t do that, at least by starting it. And now as Shannon
was saying, is it up to others to carry it forward? I mean,
if you go out and other Deion Sanders, right like that's the
thing of this is that if he was going if you're talking about
establishing something long term, right, something that is
sustainable the idea he got started now you go do it. I
don't you're
making his blueprint argument because there are others who are
in the NFL or former NFL players who who are Catholic,
charismatic do and who could step in
the last 35 years telling us ain't but one Deion Sanders,
always telling us go find somebody else to do what Deion
Sanders does. You can't have this both ways. I don't judge
him for taking the job in Colorado, he probably increased
his salary by something like 15 times, right? I totally get that
it all makes sense. But what he did was something that college
coaches do all the time, which is you have to sell people for
your 10 year plans when your plan is always one year at a
time. That's the only way that you could really pull that off.
So we came in and he sold a long term vision for what was going
on at Jackson State. But his goals and ambitions were always
to be a Power Five head coach. My take has always been he went
to Jackson State primarily because he wanted to be a head
coach but didn't want to ever be anybody's assistant coach. So we
had to find somebody that would give him a job and make him a
head coach so we could have that on his resume and then he could
take that to try to get the job that he actually wanted
hmm question amongst your amongst your football watching
buddies. Is there a descent about him that people different
differing opinions is 5050
I mean, that's that's that's a you know, saying this straw poll
kind of thing. Go get the bat and one one half is go get the
bag and it's like other half is like Do not let us down. And
that's why I'm sitting in the middle I can understand with his
language and he used and you get the misconception that he was
gonna be a Messiah because that's what he sold. But on the
other hand everybody wants to be the best in their profession.
You're saying?
I like what the what that one commentator said it's like you
sell your five or 10 year plan but you've always got a one year
plan for yourself and that's true because if you suck then
you're out after a year.
Right and that's the thing about college football is especially
they assign you to a four year deal. He was saying but they
only gave you going in a year or two if you lose bad enough and
I'm glad you said that could remind me of something Colorado
don't even know how to go pay Dion they came and said we don't
have the money just yet. What? Yes, look it up. We don't know
how we gonna pay him. No, I said this is a cost. You have Nike
backing you want to lose that stat. It's the established
route. It's like natural resources. Like you're talking
about pipelines, you're saying that's the natural use that line
Language in these college sports pipelines. And yeah, you don't
want to upset the current pipeline with a competitor.
You're like, that's what the Middle East war you always talk
about was about the pipelines, right? This is the same thing.
They don't Nike don't want to have to deal with HBCUs. And
they they're happy. We're dealing with Alabama and all
established schools. So they'll say, Okay, what's the number 5
million? Oh, yeah, he's not gonna come here and play that
out of that. You're saying, oh, quarterback, whatever. He was
saying he can he can run it. However he wants to run it.
Yeah. 5.0 million. Colorado. admits we don't have the money
yet. Hello, Nike. Come help.
Exactly. Is that in fact, that's
an open call right there. That's basically Hey, Nike. I don't
know, man. Adidas, you guys interested? I hear you got that
yay, cat. And you know, and it sounds like it wouldn't just
have to be Nike, anybody can come in and do it now.
Right? When which, which I have to look back at my people and
say y'all dropped the ball. Deion Sanders supposed to be
coaching for Howard University, one of the preeminent HBCUs
right now, instead of Jay Z being a point 1% owner, right?
You could be a champion. Now I'm not spending nobody else's
money. You're saying that don't take me wrong. But if you're
talking about solutions, y'all should go in and build the Shawn
Carter athletic facility. You're saying Oh, Howard, and Sean Sean
Diddy Combs. You're saying athletic department no down and
wherever
Beyonce basketball court has all the cool stuff we can do.
Exactly. Because guess what that would tip the scale. But they
know what's up, and they know, they can't upset the applecart.
Like that's part of being the Boulais you can't bring about
real change, you know, saying you had to bring about you know,
acceptable change. And that's that's all I gotta say about but
it's just like it was a fascinating and to think the
Jerry Jones and the Deion Sanders store was going parallel
at
the same time that at the same time saying and say well, you
have confirmed all my belief about professional sports and
that's for sure. And given me more insight into into how it
works in America I'm sure it's the same and all in all sports
to a degree but man we are unique, aren't we? We're unique
how we abuse race for every thing
is the greatest mechanism for a microphone.
Well, for people who made it to the end here of this episode of
MO Fox with Adam curry, your mind is clear. You're not
controlled. You've got to you've got some some shielding now, as
usual, and we hope to bring a lot more of that in the coming
year and 2023 and more I really appreciate what you do every
single time on on this podcast. I really love doing it with you
brother.
And I appreciate every every second we record together Adam
because it was saying it's a it's a wonderful time. But as I
always say pay attention to everything and the truth will
reveal itself
and we will see everybody back here next year. Right here on mo
facts with Adam curry episode 89 coming up in January make sure
you stay tuned to the socials when we announce it. Moment have
a great and very happy new year we'll talk to you in 2023
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