Yo mo facts with Adam curry from May 21 2022 It's episode number
81, y'all. That's right. That's my Texas drawl y'all. 95 degrees
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Moe knows where it is the topic for episode 81 is
you can never be Tupac.
And you could never be
Tupac and he can never be
he can never be Tupac
voice I just got to stop stop for a minute you asked me how I
was doing well but the black men Coalition have ticker har L this
since we've last so yeah, Samuels passed away and I want
to put much respect on his name. I know he's a very polarizing
figure but you know as we do around here, if nothing more we
human OS people saw well either brother rest in peace indeed.
And and it was a shock to me, because you sent me the link
because of course You know, a black man dying doesn't show up
on my Twitter timeline please. And it's just like wow, it was
shocking to me because I've watched his stuff a lot. I've
always I've always enjoyed what he has to say and I think he has
a lot of really valid points and very low facts attitude towards
things I understand why he was polarized do we know what he
passed away from it was this sudden unexpected
the official word is not out yet or something concerning his
heart like I said, it's just that that's that's a hard and
right there because what we always talk about independent
media and that's what allows for different viewpoints. But that's
not what this show was about. But I had to use his voice for
the ISO yeah to show much respect put a lot of respect on
his name. But we got to talk about the Will Smith and this is
what we've all been
waiting for this. Oh, yeah. Oh, I wish you could see my face now
moment. Oh, by the way, I'm sorry to interrupt. We tested
yesterday we tested podcasting. 2.0 live with video and and, and
the booster grams, which is the like YouTube, Super Chat. We
added. It's still baling wire and gaffer tape and stuff. But
mo it's work and I actually I streamed myself, which is
against all of my principles. I streamed myself live and I did
it through stream yard and everything works. So we're
getting very close to being ready for
like a YouTuber.
YouTube killer is what I'm building for you mo I'm building
it for you for nobody else.
And for all the people that want to have the freedom of speech.
That's the big thing, because we see what's going on now. But not
to belabor that I know everybody's on pins and needles
to get to the episode. But one more thing about the same
situation. Yeah. You got to see real time after show ad. How
black ugly black Twitter can be or saying Black Twitter can be
Yes, again. So that was the sad part about it. And I guess we
can go and get started. Now this is this is we got to start at
the beginning. This is we'll Packard talking to Tiffany cross
about the money for Academy Awards.
All right, next Sunday is the 94th Annual Academy Awards this
year is already bound to be different with three Women's
Center hosts and the one and only Will Packer FAMU alum and
big time Hollywood mogul heading up the Oscars first ever black
production team. I am so thrilled and excited to welcome
will Whoa.
Hey, I didn't know that. What the whole production team was
quote unquote, black,
except for the host, obviously. Production. But did you catch
that while we got the clip stop? Three women. Yeah. Various hues.
But I mean, we can continue on
production team. I am so thrilled and excited to welcome
Will Packer How you doing this morning, brother? So happy to
have you on the show. And thank you for being here.
Are you of course you could mean when you call I answered HBCU
family in the house. I appreciate you and all you do
and how you feel it.
I'm feeling great now that you're sharing the screen with
me. And I want to get right into it because there's a lot
happening in the world right now. And you know, pulling
together a glamorous award show is frequently prime for making
political points. One of your co hosts Amy Schumer, she suggested
Ukraine's President make an appearance. So President
Vladimir Zelensky. As I found that really interesting one,
will we see Zelinsky at the Academy Awards and to how
political Do you anticipate this event being?
That's a good question, you know, and I will tell you and to
her credit, Amy is always somebody who wants to push the
envelope in a variety of ways, and not that this is
particularly envelope pushing, but she is somebody who, not
even just with political statements of social impact, but
also just in terms of entertainment values, comes in
with a ton of really, really great ideas. And so what I was
saying, I can't reveal anything specific yet. But the show still
coming together still in process, even though it's you
know, just a week away. It all comes together very, very
quickly at the end, when I say just kind of overall is that we
want the show to be fun and entertaining. I think there are
a lot of spaces and platforms that are discussing what we all
know is a very tumultuous time in the world. And it has been
the last couple of years when I want this to be funny as an
escape. I really do. I want it to be a celebration. I wanted to
be a night the tone of it should be fun and uplifting. And it
should also be something that it's not just about just the
Hollywood elites.
What was entertaining maybe not in the way they intended
and then pushing envelopes. Yeah, there was there was
definitely envelopes to be pushed or conversation and to be
ignited from this event happening. Now I have to caution
people. I've done I've talked about this On several occasions
on the YouTube channel, but this is the first time me you
actually talked about it in detail. But how you alerted me
was Chris Rock. Just say Chris Rock started real. Yeah, please,
please.
Well, I can probably look it up exactly. But yeah, I think
that's what I said is almost have it here. Yeah Chris Rock
just touch the third rail. And I think I said he slapped the crap
out of Wilson
Will Smith just beat slap Chris Rock? Yeah, that's what it was
key came up there and said something witty or funny or that
way it was like, okay, you know, saying I was shocked. I asked
Chris Rock, so it wasn't too later. I think Gropp hit me up.
It was like, Did you see the video? And I was like, What in
the world had exploded? So it was just funny how we said that.
I took it as the laughing it will be with
physical physical violence. Yeah. Just one thing about Amy
Schumer. I actually thought she was pretty good. She made me
laugh a couple times. And I was like, Oh, that's interesting,
because I'm not an Amy Schumer fan. And moreover, not a fan
because I heard that I think I can say this. Joe Rogan told me
that comedians hate her because she's a joke stealer.
And that's like, the lowest thing that's the
lowest of the lowest. Yeah, you cannot be much worse than that.
Yeah. So take that for what it is. And again, I'm not a fan. I
like Dr. Cheese very well, because I don't like her in real
life. But what she did was pretty funny. I thought it was
okay for as long as it lasted. It was no somebody was
inappropriate. You know, it's feeling guys up and feeling
their butts like Okay, since when is that okay? And wake in
woke world.
And it was some of that at the Oscars as well. But I guess now
we gotta get to, because we're gonna talk about Amy Schumer
Schumer a little bit later. Cuz he plays this a weird or strange
roll in the black Oscars, quote unquote, black Oscars is like,
Okay, we'll get there. Now. This is after the fat will packers
interviewed about the moment it's done in the world.
It sounds like Chris Rock had the ability the option to have
the LAPD go arrest and remove. Will Smith from the theater
that night. That's an absolute fact the LAPD made it clear. We
will do whatever you want us to do. And one of the options is
that we will go and arrest him right now. Wow.
Well, Swift is smacked out of it.
That moment came after what we now know was an unscripted joke
from rock about Smith's wife Jada Pinkett Smith, who's
recently been vocal about her battle with alopecia.
Jane, love Yu Gi Jane to can't wait to see it.
You're sitting monitors around you tell me what's in your room
around.
I said, watch this. He's gonna kill because I knew he had an
amazing lineup of jokes that we had, we had him in the prompter.
And ultimately, he did not get to one joke. He didn't tell one
of the plan jokes. He was just immediately freestyling but I
thought this was part of something that Chris and will
were doing on their own. I thought it was a bit I thought
it was a bit like everybody else. I practiced it not
concerned when he started as he's walking. I figured okay,
you know, he's gonna say something to come at him
Something funny is going to happen because that's the nature
of Chris and that's the nature of will so let's see what
happens
that is Yeah, that's true. That's what everybody expected
until of course we all found sought quickly that it wasn't a
bit or at least wasn't supposed to be it didn't end as a bit
and that's the million dollar question that that waited so
long for the other shoe to drop to make the show to have
something definitive if it was staged or not. Because as you
heard, Will Packer say no, he said none of the putting the
plan jokes. He's just came up there in this freestyle, which
is weird strange to do but it will fit to leaning to the side
of being stage. Now I have to ask you which side are you on?
Was it stage or do you think it was real real or not? I think it
was are you are you are starting I gotta give you out.
No, I'm the what I saw looked like every movie slap I've seen
so these are. It looks to me like two guys who who definitely
had have trained in the art of making a punch or slap or
something look real. I think that's what a lot of people saw.
Or at least it kind of felt that way it was you know, I've of
course I've watched the video in slow motion is very hard to tell
I don't know but that's why it's good. So these guys either they
had rehearsed this or they've rehearsed they've done this
enough to know how it works and so you're just kind of standing
in that stance that it might have been muscle memory at that
point actually, just listening to that clip. Now let's just
listen to it again.
All right, next Sunday is a nice and up the Oscars first
was that no, I'm sorry. It was this. I just wanted to hear that
moment. Again.
It sounds like Chris Rock girthy
asked him right now.
That sounded like a microphone being hitting him being hit.
It doesn't want him to think yes,
that's it. I'm an audio guy. So I listened to this I'm like,
that doesn't sound like someone got slapped this Listen again.
Oops. Is that we will go and arrest him right now.
Just didn't sound right. It didn't look right to me. And of
course the only reason why it what was shocking was not even
that it's like oh man, maybe these guys just like to slap
each other there's you know, there's trends on Tik Tok for
that too but when he started saying keep you can my wife's
name out of your effing mouth you know so that may be that
part was unscripted I don't know but
that's the weird cuz like He's everything up to this lap. Yep,
say what Mitch what was said after the slap wheels part he's
he's on top you're seeing top five actors all time. So I mean
that that's easy for him to do. What was impressed me if it was
at noon was Chris Rock. And the way he kind of is like last
word, so was it that because we we say staged it could be pre
planned on wheels part like if he said anything about Jamie
this is wrong way to do it and not and not be upset about it
because he was actually laughing. When he first said the
joke. It was like somebody got a teacup out. You're saying and
started isn't stirring it. Like, get out. I mean, get out style.
And trigger. He's like MK keys.
Yes. That's even texted me that so now J to hold his MK keys.
I'm like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That sent me down a whole rabbit
hole. I'm glad we're doing this episode.
Right. So where are we going? I wanted to get that out of the
way, because now we're going to discuss this solely as if it was
staged, who has the clout to make this call on this stage?
And this night, the 94 Academy Awards, the black Oscars.
Let's see what happens. Name. I'm going to Okay.
Once I saw will yelling at the stage was such vitriol. My heart
dropped. And I just remember thinking, Oh, no, oh, no. Not
like this. And Chris was keeping his head when everybody else was
losing theirs. But my heart at that point was just in my
stomach because of everything about it, and what it
represented and what it looked like and who was involved. All
of that was just, I never felt so immediately devastated, like
I did in that moment.
But it still wasn't until rock walked backstage that Packer was
finally convinced that Smith had actually struck him. The winners
are walking off stage. Chris is with them. And I immediately go
up to Chris, and you
say what are you do what?
I said, Did he really hit you? And he looked at me and he goes,
Yeah, he goes, I just took a punch from Muhammad Ali as only
Chris can he was immediately you know, in in joke mode, but you
could tell that he was very much still in shock.
Mm hmm. Okay.
So, obviously will packers I don't think he's an on it.
No, it's you know, if there was something to be in on I'd look
at all Hi. Sorry to say but I'd look at the producers. Like the
other producers. The other
let me start my see what he has to say about it. He sincerely
sound like because you get let me translate some of the things
he was saying. All right, he said in a very political way.
Like all that sinking feeling. What he's actually saying is
they let us have the Oscars day being black people. Yeah. And
this what happens? Oh, God, no, we're never gonna get this.
Yeah, you know what's interesting? I didn't know this
was the Like Oscars? I didn't view it that way. Yeah,
certainly not at that point the show at no point was I like, oh,
man, this is just black people Oscars, not not for when I'm
sensitive because of the show. Right. And, and, you know, my my
job in general. So I'm always looking at that. Now, at the
end, at the end of the show what I have said, maybe it was a
little skewed in the voting maybe. But I didn't get the feel
that it was, you know, the black Oscars, as in I didn't even know
that it was produced by an entire quote unquote, Black
Team.
And it wasn't highly touted because I had to go to Tiffany
cross it no disrespect to her show to find, you know, the pre
clips. It wasn't like there was a big press Run to say this is
the black Oscars. Some of the acts like you said, I think
Megan the stallion performed. Yeah, that was kind of weird.
And like, out of place, like, Okay. We've seen, I think
performed as well. So I mean, we've seen this before. But
there's a reason behind this being the black Oscar so we can
get to it. You want to say something? No, no, that's good.
I'm all ears.
Do we stop at four? I think we're on fire. Yeah, we're
on five. Yeah, here we go.
Okay, that made that clear, like, rock. You tell me whatever
you want to do, brother. He was telling me. I'm fine. Let's just
get past this. I'm getting out of here. I can't believe this
happened. The LAPD came and needed to talk to Chris. And so
they came into my office. And they were laying out very
clearly what Chris's rice were. And they were saying, this is
battery. We will go get him. We are prepared. We're prepared to
get him right now. You can press charges, we can arrest him. As
they were talking, Chris was he was being very dismissive of
those options. He was like, No, I'm fine. He was like, no, no,
no. And even to the point where I said, I said, rock, let them
let them finish. And they said, you know, would you like us to
take any action? And he said, No.
He said, No. Yeah.
That's interesting by itself. You know, he really hasn't made
a statement he took no action has been kind of quiet. That's
that. That's all very unexpected.
I think it is. For me, it was expected. Because the less he
talks about it, I think it helps in a couple of ways. One, where
he actually does talk about it, like an actual stand up form.
Yeah. I mean, Netflix, yeah. Blank shit, you know, that kind
of into? I think, if this was set up, let's be clear. We're
going down the hoax rabbit hole. So I think that people that
possibly that could have set this up, wanted him to get Will
Smith arrested to make him even seem like a bigger sellout than
they are.
Oh, that's a good point. Yeah.
It's a win win. I mean, you take black Oscars, you'd say we'll
Smith out in handcuffs, because Chris Ross snitched that I mean,
that totally. You know, that's even a bigger story. And I think
we'll Packer was, I'm sure he was in that room. Like please
don't make any vigorous theme it is. So Good point. Good point.
It is beneficial for everybody to keep this quiet. So now we
have the smack. So now we gotta go. Listen to Amy Schumer. How
she's was traumatized by the slapping.
Did I miss anything?
There's like a different vibe in here.
Amy Schumer shocked and confused like the rest of us shortly
after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock during the Oscars. Now the
40 year old comedian who emceed the big night is weighing in
admitting she is still triggered and traumatized by the whole
thing. Just a little refresher, guys,
I'm a huge Star. Look at me. I'm at the Oscars. You
are can you believe it? Amy co hosted the 2022 Academy Awards
alongside Regina Hall and Wanda Sykes. And the ladies brought
the funny getting to
do this with Regina and Wanda. They are such heroes of mine.
They are comedy royalty. We've been having so much fun. I've
enjoyed every second of getting ready with these ladies.
But it was this joke made by Chris Rock that had everyone
talking
Jada? I love you. Gi Jane too. Can't wait to see it. Alright.
Okay, so it wasn't a joke that had everyone talking. It was
Jada Pinkett Smith husband Will Smith's reaction to the joke
that had everyone talking. Oh, wow. Wow.
Well, Swift is smack thought of it. Today,
out. Well, on Tuesday, Amy weighed in on Instagram saying
that her friend Chris handled it like a pro. She calls the whole
thing so disturbing and writes that she's still in shock and
stunned and sad. She even specifically calls out the pain
she saw in will, quote, waiting for this sickening feeling to go
away from what we all witnessed.
will strip the smack out of it.
Just want one thing, since, you know, this is what our show is
about. And it's not even because of the show at no point. When
the when this happened, did I think, Wow, man. See, black guys
can't keep it together? I did. I know you did. I know you did.
And that's why I'm bringing it up. I just want you to know that
I do not believe that is typical nonblack thinking at that
moment, maybe later, the suggestion comes from twitter or
something. But it and I'm very aware of my thinking in these
things. It didn't didn't cross my mind that I'm just saying
that. So you know. Because I also know that that's exactly
what you thought you're like, holy crap, this does not help
is that there's two things one is due to what web divorced
called the double consciousness, the black people. Why don't we
know how we perceive ourselves and to we know how we are
perceived. And I liken that to you weren't going back just for
a minute. You not wearing a mask for the first time doing Pete
COVID I'm with you. I'm with you. You know how you feel. But
then you could I guess, empathize or put yourself in the
other person's shoes to say I know how I'm being perceived by
them not wearing a mask, however, yes.
However, however, yes. If this was set up and known and
publicized as the first black Oscars, like a pandemic was the
first pandemic now. It's very different with masking than not
masking, because it's, it's more normalized. It's also normalized
to not have a mask on. So there's,
there's, say, a Peak Peak COVID. That's why I made that I'm
saying that. Um, okay. Specific point of PE when you first
walked into a grocery store, yes. Yeah. First, that first
brave moment.
Now, I know. And I know this mode, because that's, that's
because I had something my exterior showed something
different, such as your bear with me, your exterior shows
black man, my exterior shows white men. My point is, is that
these were two superstar comedians, not black men. In and
I believe that to be true initially at peak Oscar Moment
that most white people did not see that the way you saw it
either.
Now, you I'm not saying that. Yeah, no.
That's different. Because what you knew was and this I agree
with you with, of course, what you knew is, this is going to
have repercussions. It wasn't That's what I said specifically
at that moment. I wasn't thinking that way. I don't think
the majority of non black people were thinking that way. Non
colored people, let's just say it. But you knew that that was
going to come and and this issue would come and that would of
course come from the black community itself.
But it was a weird situation, because by Amy Schumer, she
didn't want to she want to be supportive for Chris Rock, but
not demonizing a wheel because that's why she could feel wheels
pain, like basically in for I think for women, more
specifically is feminist. It was one, it was it was a awkward
position to be put in to say, oh, violence is okay. And one A
man should take for his woman, that kind of thing. So
yeah, that's a whole other aspect to it. You're absolutely
right. I forgot about that. That was that was a huge aspect.
Yes. So when I was just this, my perception of it, I knew every
every angle was going to be wrapping up my first thing my
firt I mean, this is my first thought I gotta get to you. Then
I turned the Oscars to the Source Awards. That was my first
thought because the sorcerer was was known for fighting me to the
point where it was spread to other different awards. And a
lot of the fights before were staged to promote people's
albums or, you know, projects or whatever else. Yeah, it wasn't
like any real so that was my I thought like, oh, they didn't
use this big stage to promote something now, we'll have a
movie coming out.
Of course, of course.
What's the angle? Well, here
was, here's the other thing. And I believe every man who's in a
marriage or relationship did this turn to your wife or woman
or birthing person and said, How would you feel if that's what
was my response to this joke? Did you ask Miss facts about
that?
Let's listen to Tiffany Haddish his response? And then we'll
talk about another side
was would you define tonight as uncomfortable?
Now, define tonight is success. It was a great night tonight.
Okay, what did you call I seen a man stand up for his wife, which
we don't see that much anymore. That made me have hope. How
about you?
I want to pull about I wanted your opinion on it because
you're a comedian. And so it was that thing where like, was that
joke too far? How did you feel about what we'll did? Because
you are someone who's done comedy and yet like you just
said, you saw a man defending his wife?
Yeah. I don't know how you felt about what you want your husband
to do that for you if he was clearly hurt. I mean, they put
her face up on the spring. looked over at his wife. She was
hurt. What would you
I would want him to defend me the the thing that made me sad
was like, this was a big night for will. And then you saw that
emotion for him. And it was like, Guys, just just I can't I
don't think I've still processed how this night went, you know?
I just know she had to take care of business when they get out.
Because I know my man did ever make. Yellow.
Did you talk to other than tonight? Yeah. Did you tell them
how you felt?
Oh, they know how often Yes. Oh, no, I haven't. That's my
friends.
Well, you go way back with them. To some of the
girls trip? Yes. Yeah. They know my crazy.
Well, it was incredible to watch. We'll up there T one. How
did you feel watching him give that speech?
I felt very proud. I felt gratified. And I just hope that
more men are like that. Care about their families. Now, it's
not just about you, right? It's not just about you, sir. What
about your family, the people you create the people that help
you be who you are. That's important. That's what I think
America forgot about.
Wow. Okay,
so and this is right after the Oscars, this why play this is
like, one of the first you know, points, like put out there. And
that was a meme that was pushed, you know, man standing up for
his wife, a man standing up for his wife. That's why I said,
Wait, we talked about on the other side of the clip. Now? Are
there certain things where I will put my hands on another
person? Oh, another person? I'm not gonna be that specific. Over
my wife. Yeah, there are certain things. There are certain things
that when you cross that line when you get back in the car
with her, Oh, well, you know that she'll never look at you
the same. So there are lines? Is this one of them? I don't just
my opinion, being if they were in Hollywood, is what happens.
Jokes are told. If it's solely that joke. No. But there's more
to it than that joke. Yeah, of
course, there's more to it. And some of that is known. But my
question was, did you discuss it with your wife?
No, we actually like to say we didn't. We basically we were
like, Did you see that? Yeah, that was crazy. And then more of
the stage conversation, but my wife already knows. Like,
there's certain yes, there's certain laws you can cross. But
I'll say this, because this was this was a big component of the
gender war. He was saying it not only cut across the race. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I know. That's why I'm so interested in it. Yeah. It's
the gender thing to have. Should you stand up for a woman was
Willis sampe. Does she deserve to be stood up for because the
way she used humiliated him in public? All of those things
factor into it? So
here's sorry. So of course, I we had this discussion. And we
probably had it after the meme was already launched. And in my
mind, already at that point, I had a question which I was going
to ask you, which is, is this more of a black American thing
standing up for your woman? Going to fistfight more more
easily, perhaps? I don't know if that's true. But that meme
definitely reached me. It's like, oh, well, you know, the
black man black woman, you got to stand up for your woman.
That's just that's just what I perceive. Not how I think.
Right. That mean, was that mean was pushed heavily? Yes. Yes.
Yes. Early.
Early. So with that in mind, Tina and I were discussing and
we both agreed that Hell yeah, I should do something but it would
be either in my in my moment on stage where I'd say something
clever and take them down with with a swift to sharp words with
the blade. It's I think that can be very effective. But I
certainly would have gone up afterwards and said, What the
hell was that all about bro. And now that might come to some kind
of altercation. But I'm not one for going for violence if
someone does something with words and embarrassment, but I
guess the point is, there was a lot more behind this and this
Tiffany Haddish meme, if it truly originated from her from
her own thinking or was pushed this way. That definitely skewed
a lot of the conversation.
And that was damaged because you're because here's the other
thing. It seemed like it caught Jada off guard. Because, and
After Effects, she tried to distance herself away from the
slap my audition, I really want him to do that. I'm not really
going down that path with these.
So I never I watched all different angles. I really look
for angles of them. And I didn't see her looking something like
Man, this hurts me so bad. You got to go up there and whip his
ass.
I didn't see it. That the time after the joke. Okay, several
scenes that were shot. And that's why there's another
reason why I dread doing this this audio because you had to
see it. But I'm going to try to illustrate what what was what
was said. He said the Joe will last. But he kind of looked over
in Jada. And then there's that what transpired between noon to
and we're heading towards the stage, though several seconds
has never been shown. I've looked on every platform
possible. I looked at every can't find anywhere what
transpired between her and him to signal to him that he had to
go from laughing. So he wasn't initially offended. No, there
was something that happened between them to where he felt
like he needed to do that. Yeah, and
I can't No one knows the secret six signals between two people
who have been in a long term relationship, but I couldn't
detect any I mean, the only the only thing that came to my mind
is well, yeah, I mean, this guy is so desperate, you know, okay,
from my own therapy. To me, Will has severe mother issues. She
has taken advantage of this for long time, I was in similar
relationships with different aspects. And by the way, no
regrets. No one's to blame. But myself, certainly I blamed
myself for not figuring out my shit earlier in life. But that
is it was a big component because you can have a complex
issue with your mother. And we're all we all get screwed up
by our parents somehow. And that can be can fit perfectly like a
puzzle piece into perhaps someone who has a personality
such as Jada. And that really can just get bad over time. And
I say this because it may be you have this clip later, there's a
clip of her, you know, showing, you know filming will in their
house or in his kitchen. He's like, hey, you know don't do
this and, and she's just acting like an a hole to him. And oh,
see my mom's this is exactly why will sabotage is everything. I
mean, it was it was bizarre. And that, to me was like, oh my god,
this is a very dysfunctional relationship. So she may not
have had to Eve it could have been just a tensing of her left
bicep that could have set him off because he so desperately
wants to make his mother proud and happy of him.
And I don't know if you've seen the two three videos I've done
on YouTube, but I did one way prior to this called a mother's
will. And he talked about he's taken Ayahuasca 14 times. Oh,
really? Yes. I'd like to say I didn't go. I didn't want to
rehash a lot of stuff. I know a lot of our producers listen to
all the different platforms. I didn't want to rehash a bunch of
stuff and I will fill it in where I've captured. You are
exactly right. He does have a mother issue because he said his
mother was physically abusive towards I mean, his father was
physically abusive towards his mother. And he felt like he
didn't want he couldn't protect her to the point he was suicidal
about it. plays into what you're, you're spot on and it's
good that you haven't seen it because you're hitting you're
picking up on all the sides without being
this is why this show is so genius mode. This I didn't know
Barack Obama Bruce Springsteen rip off crap. This is the real
deal.
Giving it to the Boston on both. But yeah, so he has all that
going on. And let's just stop dancing around it. A lot of
people feel that he's she's his head. handler and silver wave
and Nick clip that you talk about that I don't have in here
because I didn't really get into their, the inner workings of a
relationship too much, but I think there's an underlying
theme I'm gonna get to but in that clip, he said she wanted to
kind of ambush him to get some promo for this doctor. That
promotes um, what's it called? Um, open marriages. Yeah,
Esther, I forget her last name Esther without parole. I think
it's something like that. But anyway, he was. She was like,
No, I'm not gonna don't ambush me like that. And he said
something. And it was very telling to me. He said, you
know, social media. Yeah. Bread and butter. Right?
Yes. And I and I was like, What? What do you mean? What this
guy's one of the biggest movie stars in the business are
easy to tune to doom doom. Think about it. What what movie has
blockbuster has, we'll been in several videos. And today, I'll
talk about recently. See, and this is this thing. I mean, this
is where, like, it's so many things that I struggle with
making the show. It was like, because there's the theme of
when a man is old or too old. He's not a young man anymore. So
you can't play the young man roles. And he's not. Oh, Morgan
Freeman. Yet? They play the old magical Negro rows? Which No,
seriously? No, that's not a joke. But that's the archetype
that the older guys to play. And he doesn't. He doesn't have a
footing in Hollywood because he's not the young Independence
Day. Okay, actor.
So, of course, what was the most recent So King Richard was, of
course, this was this was the big it wasn't a blockbuster, as
far as I
know. No, no, but he was handpicked for this role. By
Serena and Venus. Yeah.
Before before that it was I guess, men and black right. That
was the last the last big series dried up. He's dried up. Well,
of course, you've had three. So that's done. Okay. So he's been
in basically in a 10 year low. Does that make sense? If we just
Yeah. And I'm not to not Will Smith. What I'm saying is, it's
Hollywood that somebody says that, you know, social media is
my bread and butter that was saying, what I heard there was,
I'm not giving away promotion for free to her. This is how I
make my money now because I'm Hollywood checks. I'm not
rolling in anymore.
But how does he make his money with social media? Because I see
his social media. It's It's funny, you know, his Instagrams
are cute, and he's ripping off his family
ads. Maybe Instagram pays him to place ads on his chair. I mean,
I don't know how that can be monetized on Instagram.
I gotta tell you, if he's worried, he can only be worried
about having work. Because when he says bread and butter that
insinuates that it's a financial thing. That's hard for me to
imagine.
Is it? Like you're making it? Well, there's another click,
like if you put me in a bad spot, because now I gotta tell
you about another clip. Okay, there's another clip where he
comes home. And basically, Jada shoots the red tabletops in
their house. Yeah. So their house is basically production
stage. Now, another thing like she might be, you know, bringing
in a significant amount of income to prepare. This is all
speculation we don't know we're not accountants. But when he
said bread and butter that was like, that was a, that was the
most everything else that relationship. I would like bread
and butter. Excuse me. Yeah. Bread and butter, like a net
goes to show you while she has to kind of, for lack of a better
word, pimp out the family on the red tabletop. She has to keep
even him she brought him up in here embarrassed him about being
a cuckold.
Let me tell you one other personal story. And I understand
part of this as well. When so I had I had a big business problem
in the Netherlands around 2000, round 99 2000, partner of mine
turned out to be a crook. And I knew him he was a friend for for
seven years, he had assumed identity, all kinds of crap. And
when everything started to fall apart, there was we had
businesses together, investments together, all of that got locked
up by the law. So I in essence, had no money. I couldn't I could
not access my money. kind of irritating. And you know,
because it was just court cases. And it all got solved later. And
I was of course exonerated, but you know, the pain and the end
and just the embarrassment and all the stuff that's going on.
And in order to make money for my family, guess what I did?
It's a joke. Joke. wife no clothes? No. I started the
Addams Family reality show. And I sold it to a TV broadcaster.
All the things you thought it wasn't that was it. Okay. And
that got us through and I sat down with my daughter, my wife,
I said, Look, here's how we're going to do it. We can do this.
You know, we are we are exceptional at this kind of
stuff, because of course, it's anything but true reality. It's
really Yes. But we have our filters. We know how to do this.
Since we've been around media so much, but it was 100% not
because I wanted to show my family because I had I was out
of options. So we made a reality show. So this fits into your
theory that this red table, it's based if especially if it's in
your house that your reality show and that's that's the way
I've seen that thing. And that's what they're doing. So that does
add credence to the theory that they are doing this to make
money she's doing that will does his thing. It is kind of sad if
you know because he had to have had some good deals in there
certainly on even on residuals. So
once again, but if you're spinning, yeah, you have a few
dry years. If you don't change your lifestyle, well, it just
speeds up the process. And that's the thing like they can't
afford their black royalty. They're black blue, they roll
see.
Right You can't afford you can't go backwards. You can't be
caught flying coach. You can't be caught flying first class you
should be flying you gotta be flying private. Otherwise you're
not royalty. It's totally true. Totally part of the deal.
And to give you another scenario before so we can get jump back
into the clips. You remember Megan Markel, and speaking of
another COC? Harry Yeah, they went to the Netflix deal. They
had no but they had to go live in Tyler Perry's home and raise
cash but cash flow is different from wealth. Yeah, we don't have
that liquid. Yeah, it's like we can't go live. We can't go live
in a you know, a single family home. You know, we have we have
errands to keep up. And I'm just stressing that point. Because
that bread and butter. I was gonna put it in here, but it
didn't kind of fit because I'm going somewhere else with it.
But I'm glad you brought it up. I appreciate that. All right.
Bread and butter thing was like, Oh, yeah.
So now to reward me You're gonna make me play clip by Touray I
mean, this is not a reward.
Jason Jack's Yeah. hurtin
me. Now this is definitely Trouble.
Trouble, but they're gonna unpack toxic Max masculinity.
I can't say that I would have done something different. You
can make jokes about me all day long. And I'm gonna take it
because Regina Hall earlier in the show made a joke about y'all
gotta open marriage. Well, why don't you come up here and let's
talk about that. That's about will. Right? Like you could joke
about me, but a joke about my wife and her body. My mama, my
kids. Now you've gone too far,
Mama.
I can't, I can't roll with that. And I noticed too. Chris Rock of
all people made a documentary called good hair, which was
extraordinary, which he made because of his daughter's
feelings about their hair as they were coming into being
teenagers. So he's intimately aware of black women's hair
issues. And even still, he thought it was okay to make fun
of a black woman not having hair in front of the entire world. I
don't think that it matters that rock didn't know she has
alopecia. A joke that is specifically based on a woman's
physical specific woman's physical appearance is probably
wrong is dangerous is probably going to rub people the wrong
way and yours in the room. That room was definitely not like a
good joke, but room was like, Whoa, that joke was not cool.
I don't I disagree. Yeah, man. You know,
that's what that room was saying. Like.
But that was my initial reaction. Because you know,
because of of our work together. That's why I said all men,
you've just touched the third rail I've played that's
interesting. One other question for you. Now this this doesn't
work. I'm only talking about men to men, white men to white when
men in certainly in certain states, New Jersey is where I
spent the most time but I see it here in Texas too. You know, we
all have some physical or we all have something messed up, right?
And so maybe someone's got a limp. Someone's got a hump
someone's got tics, you know, but we call each other usually
by our nicknames, which are really cruel. Like hey, ripple
Bay Baldy, you know, and and we're cool with it.
Is this the same with black men?
Nicknames or not? You can't sell nickname yourself or very rarely
Can you not self nickname but if someone comes up and says hey
cripple Hey shorty Hey baldy, whatever then that's cool,
right?
That's the point I'm getting to is your nickname like you got a
Bucky? They're saying oh you're saying like a lot of common when
it's like dark skinned a common black smoke right? Like skin is
raid you're saying you got different names like a bit like
great point have to do for Friday tiny I think in less than
less than Yeah, debo do we already know what real debo
don't know the real name any tiny or you call a little guy
big man. He was saying like that kind of thing. So because they
all come in but it has to
be right but so gi Jane. I mean, it starts somewhere, right?
Someone says hey, man, I'm gonna call you read and call you
smoke. I'm gonna call you gi J Now gossamer sage. Maybe not
most appropriate place. I'm just thinking. It's like, everyone
knows each other. I mean, gi Jane. It's also kind of me
personally. I've been called a lot of things from my hair. I'm
not a black woman. But I play one on the radio sometimes. I
was thinking, like, that's not even negative. Demi Moore was
hot in that.
You said? Oh, cuz it's no. It doesn't matter. You can't say
anything about the third rail. Yeah, he's yours.
Yeah, I know. I know. I got you. I got you. You learned
our rail of all third rail like that will be Cockerham one at a
time it was saying we were knocking him down. But like,
like, even he made the movie about the hair movie. But now we
have to go back to it wasn't about the joke, because we
laughed about it. Yeah, it wasn't how the jokes received.
Now going back to his Ayahuasca use. He said he met a woman
their name mother goddess, or mother. And she like gives them
comfort, whatever. So that goes into the mother issues. Now on
the alopecia side of it. I watch several videos of doctors of
doctors with alopecia themselves say they don't think ah. Jada
has alopecia because you shouldn't have follicles live
right. Now what she does have is a large scar in the top of her
head. Some people say it as due to surgery, facelift that kind
of thing as the kitty were they big enough or floppy?
Let me say let me say one other thing. When it comes to
ayahuasca, I have not done Ayahuasca I have done DMT twice.
Which to me is it's the Iosco without the puking for 24 hours.
Okay, and but it's the what you're doing. I mean, because
with Ayahuasca you're you're gorging yourself and so you're
you're that's how you purge. But the DMT itself, this is very
suspicious that he met had the this is not DMT is well
documented, really well documented. pixies things coming
to life. Yeah. Some mother figure what what do you call it?
Mother Goddess, Mother Goddess. It's a you won't look it up New
York Post article are saying we can talk about on the other side
of the clip. But it says Will Smith takes Ayahuasca 14 times.
Now like I said, I did this show two months prior to the slap
because when I heard that, and this was during the rollout of
his book, we'll they were stressing the drama. He was
having weight gain problems. 20 pounds overweight, which made
him depressed. He was going through the whole thing of him
being basically publicly cut hold by a younger man is why
bring him on read table talk to him. And that was the if you do
what you do, and they're cool with it, I'm cool with it. But
the way she brought him up there, it was like, well, we got
to do the special Facebook has big numbers on the table, you
know, saying like that's how I looked at it like cuz you're not
gonna take me on the read table talk in the way she was smiling
about August Alsina, where he made her feel and that was her
son's friend. Like I said with pop shows I could have made on
news. Just to let you know, Tiffany Haddish and Chris Rock
does eyewash CA I don't use the Cha Cha. I don't care ca the CA
so they take this stuff out. Dave Chappelle is farm because
like you said it's so many rabbit holes like Is this the
new LSD? Wait a minute MK Ultra? Well got what we want now today?
Oh yeah,
okay, no, I like going there. But this is good because I have
some experience in this area. I believe that I've only done DMT
twice. And oh, this is very interesting because I've been
I've been reading a lot about how smell influences people. And
can can be an instant can take you somewhere in an instant. If
you close your eyes you think, remember what's fresh grass
smells like boom, yourself. You immediately have that picture
somewhere. you're smelling the fresh grass. Play a football DMT
Yeah, well, there you go. DMT that's an interesting one my
like that. I'm not because I've never done Ayahuasca. So DMT you
smoke and that smell? I guarantee you if I smell that
anywhere, I can be transported right back to where I was when I
did DMT if I did DMT a lot. I think it would possibly bring
back a anything that I had experienced during that I've
never had a bad DMT D trip. They're not they're not so
they're not very typical. DMT This is so good. DMT is one of
the most because you know when you die, you actually create DMT
your your body creates it. It's part of how you're passing
process. So this has been studied a lot. And it would not
surprise me if you can put suggestive things into someone's
brain and trigger them with a DMT recall. I'm just using a
term. Yeah, yeah, no, I hate this again. This is why we're
friends. We would do this shit. Even if we weren't doing the
show. We talk about this. Yeah, absolutely.
Because it's like all these people with the same play all of
a sudden
have debt so they're doing this a Dave Chappelle is ranch man.
Kidding me? Oh, man,
cuz when we got to get through the show, but women Tiffany
Haddish che all hair off. When on La show was like, Nah, she
was taking shrooms and drinking. He was saying they call it the
mushroom tea. Yeah, he was saying, I don't know if it's
Coworth Ayahuasca or what? But you know, yeah, probably. Yeah.
So they were out there they initially come back shaking
their head or Britney steer spirits down by himself. Allow
them on camera. So wish that we could have went down to alopecia
and there was a rabbit hole or what's going on here? Do we have
to do them a latte from Black Panther was all these black ball
people popping up all over the place? But yeah, so it's so
many. But we talked about black toxic masculinity. I had to
bring Mr. Samuels in. And I gotta say this is the first clip
I've ever played of his on our show. And but I've talked about
sign language from him. You're saying his impact. But we talked
about Black Twitter last time. The black quote unquote
manosphere is the place where you get exiled to from Black
Twitter. Right because like even thinking like the more you know,
conservative thinking, independent non democratic
thinking of masculine sinner, you know, it was kind of like, I
won't want to put MIG tau on it. But it was like the red pill
kind of ideology. It was the outcast like you. This is so
this is the king Kevin Samuels, and he talks about the Will
Smith slap.
You got black women and black men co signing this black man I
want you to be clear. If you are running out defending this
bullshit, you need your head checked. pounding your chest
jumping out the window defending this Captain save them kind of
stuff. Ain't gonna get you any brownie points. What the fuck
are we doing there? I am tired of no matter where a man black
man gets to. We got to assert ourselves physically of fucking.
I reject that is our only way to affirm ourselves. I'm tired of
that shit with black men for black men. No matter how you get
you know you can have a CEO you can have Reginald Lewis you can
have Robert Smith and Byron Allen and Daymond John and J
Prince and masterpiece yell expected these dudes get into a
disagreement that day supposed to shoot affair where they're
supposed to fight in a bucket out no black men are not
primitive. This is not 2001 A Space Odyssey we have other ways
of expressing our discontent and displeasure with one another
other than fighting. angry and even my news supports this shit
and says you for black men. And for black men's betterman
Evolution improvement, black male media black male image and
you support this question your support?
Well,
guys, clearly toxic male.
Exactly. That's why I always stress black you to, quote
unquote, is a far better spectrum of black thought
compared to Black Twitter. Because you get it you're saying
you get a wide variety of in between the two poles. Whereas
Black Twitter, the algorithm is so good constrained to
crosstraining that you only get the woke ideology. So I wanted
to bring that in. Now what Kevin Sam just said, I agree with a
lot of it. Because it's like this while saying about oh, no,
that's what we'll pack. We're saying, Oh, no, we've we're
trying to reimage ourselves and not like not that it's needed.
But what the mass media does is take a very small minority, and
make it the problem. I'll show this politically. Every time you
hear a politician talk, it's like, we got to do something
about crime. And you're saying reform and this kind of thing.
Like, when you look at how many criminals actually is compared
to how many dudes is doing good. It's very, you're saying is huge
disparity there. But the way the memes are written, is to make
sure we stay on the bottom. And I think this was, in my opinion,
when I first heard this happened. I think this was if it
was staged, it was staged and put us back on the bottom. And
in a subservient, sacrificial mode that they want. They
capitalization wants to keep us in.
Well, they in this case, were the female producers of the
show.
I'm just saying. I mean, it was a lot it was a lot of pre K and
even down to Pfizer alopecia drugs. Yeah, they ran with the
whole alopecia thing they ran with the whole defending his
honor her honor. This is what we're supposed to do. And the
thing was, this is two of the most, quote unquote non violent
or nonviolent seeming black men in America. Yeah, they do this.
That's, that's why I think it was a if it was staged, that was
the purpose of it to maybe on a surface level to get ratings,
but no. So to condemn the image of the black man. So
and I'm just I may be jumping ahead, tell me if I need the
goggles.
I'll tell you if you need to go.
So we're already figuring out that Will Smith possibly had
multiple reasons he felt he had to do this. One of them being
finance. How about rock? He seems to be doing okay.
I don't think Chris Rock was in on it. That's that's the thing
was when we say staged you can have something that's pre
planned. Like I know he's gonna say something you know, to Jada
or whatever else. I don't think we'll smear Chris Rock. sat in a
room was like a this is the plan. You know, that kind of
thing. It was. I think Chris thought we was gonna come up do
something funny maybe grandma Hagen Negi using that kind of
thing and like that so it was like I'm gonna go along with her
saying he's a profession Did you notice
how when he got slapped that he his hand never had that
automatic to the face thing?
He's actually put his hand out at bat if I remember Korea I
mean
if someone hits you in the face I think you're first just I mean
human responses to put a hand up to it you know like oh shit and
that didn't happen that way maybe
he didn't hit his face or like to say you sound like he he said
hit the microphone so maybe we'll sold it like all kinds of
smack him I'm not hit the mic get a good sound out of it
because that sound was very crucial to it as well. You know,
saying they kept playing in the ads may not ask him in the in
the clips. So yeah, it's just not right. That's my thing is
just that I think that they um, if staged it wasn't for wheels
benefit. It wasn't for Chris Ross benefit. And I don't think
both of them were in on it. I think he could appear that way.
Because Chris is a trained actor. He knows like okay, you
approached me? We're gonna do something physical. You know,
that kind of thing. Even we'll kind of smile when he walked
off. Yeah, it wasn't anger.
Well, no, no, no. What I saw I saw Will Smith playing a role
walking back. It was you know that swagger that's bad boys.
That's Men in Black. That's Wilson Will Smith the actor
swagger that's not Will Smith the person
right and this we talking about suggestive? I do because ANNA
King Richard was known for being you know, protective over Venus
and Serena.
Oh yeah, he'd
be in the method acting role. 100%
King Richard 100% You bet.
Okay, so we agreed on that. All right, so you still with me? So
now we got to get into the drama behind we'll Jada and Chris
Yeah, yeah,
down to the timeline leading up to the Oscar slap. Will and
Chris go way back and first work together nearly 30 years ago.
You had some men's is Big Willie.
Night 1995 Chris was a guest star on the Fresh Prince playing
wills blind date Jasmine.
Mood beaches.
In 1999 Kristen will reunited the premiere of The Matrix live
action can you fight
the fight in the movies? Very well. Out here in the street?
No. Who could kick who's back? Everybody thinks
he's Apple pods do not get it twisted.
To make sure my honey is taken care of.
Six years later in 2005, Jada and Chris were the ones cast
together in Madagascar. Let's not talk about that. Okay,
Chris. All right now. The two appeared to be on good terms
while doing press and even presented will with a Kids
Choice Award.
Huh? Have you ever seen that episode or Will Smith with Chris
Rock? No, I have not. Okay, in it. I'm gonna give you the
imagery. Chris Rock plays two roles. He plays kind of himself
and a cameo his guys named Marie something. And he's wills cousin
Hillary is is the daytime talk show host I believe and she
wants to interview him and impress him. And the deal was
weird wants to work for Hillary and doing so he agrees to take
out Chris Roberts characters cousin Jasmine, who is Chris
Rock in drag.
The ultimate for a black man.
The black man but it goes further. Are you talking about
MK Ultra? blonde wig ruby red lipstick like Ella Monroe and
leopard skin dress? I kid you 90s So I was like that's very
interesting on the on the MK yes yeah on the okay orchard. And
then them they are past history between Jane and Chris we don't
know what transpired on the set of Madagascar with them to
working together so there there's a lot of a lot of drama
there but I think we stopped it let's go ahead and go and listen
to Chris Rock going on a date with
promise me you'll be on your best behavior tonight. Hey
aren't always well I'm serious it's really important that
Maurice appear on my show everything has to go smoothly
with the sister tonight
really all kidding aside he'll I know how much this means to you
and it means a lot to me too. I'm not gonna let you down Thank
you may I present Miss Jasmine Perry
you had some men's is Big Willie I'm ready to get my free call.
Like you already got it listen, you wouldn't want to go
someplace you notice a little quieter you may be darker
me Big Willie but I'm game let's do this
you know what I think fitness this place will be just fine
freak out so that's that's them Aaron together and then history
goes back further than that because Chris Rock present it
Will Smith with his first Grammy. So like they know each
other this is not just some random occurs between the two so
now we now we can get back to more of the behind the wheel
Jada and Chris nothing.
Then came 2016 When then host Chris cure Jada for boycotting
the Oscars.
Jana says she's not coming protests. is also not fed at
will was paying 20 million for Wild Wild West.
We got to keep in and throughout
it all Will and Jada always had each other's backs data
and I have you know we weathered some storms.
We have found so much Venus and our union. And a way that's very
different than most
no doubt their 24 year marriage is unconventional Jada calls
will her life partner, not husband. They have also faced
rumors of having an open marriage
and you're getting divorced again. Am
I? And I don't have a ring on. Oh,
it must be true.
Basically like, oh, he has an open relationship.
That's not exactly the pack that we have made to one and other is
that I will deliver myself to her happy and she will deliver
herself to me
happy. Yeah,
yeah. These kinds of deals don't work out.
Now, cuz cuz Am I gonna make you want to smell like you can't
make or smell and then you gonna be frowning? So I mean, there's
nothing this will happen with the whole August Austin thing,
but I don't want to go down that road too far. I want to talk
more about that what was said at the Oscars. 2016. Just to
foreshadow a little bit that was the Oscar so white.
Yes. Yeah, hashtag Yep.
Yes. That put with Chris in an awkward position for Jay to say
and we'll and hashtag to say we're boycotting the Oscars.
Because it was like Chris, you're not gonna boycott
winners. So now it makes him look like a sellout. I think he
felt some kind of way like, Hey, this is my big break. A big
chance. I mean, like, what did it mean to host the Oscars is a
big deal on your on your resume. Were like a checklist probably
for comedians, you know? Yes. It's yeah. So he's like, why
you're gonna do and without hosting like came their way to
next year. So now let's go back to him calling the cops. If he
calls the cops after doing this. It really makes them look like
the sell out.
Yeah, that wasn't I was a non starting option for him.
He could not. Will Smith. Take him out on cuffs? Because? Chris
Rob Porter, Takashi 690. No, that can that can not happen.
So.
Hold on. Yeah, Takashi six, nine.
Yeah, that's the rainbow Head Kid, the rat or snitch on all
the rappers in New York? Oh, you can't get if you didn't, that
you just uh, Matt, this would have been 10 times bigger story,
if that happened. And I'm sure the people that wargame this.
Like, when if we'll get arrested? That's even better,
like, yes, then. So that's why that Chris was totally
dismissive of the idea because he knew how it would be played.
So I think it's well played by him staying quiet and let the
media talk for him and let the public talk for him. So let's go
ahead and I have the clip with Jada comes out. And she speaks
on the Oscars so white. I think she was employed to do it. But
we'll get there later on with this hashtag that was going
around. But this is her. Speaking on the 2016 Oscars.
Today is Martin Luther King's birthday.
Aston Martin Luther King, remember that trigger? Like
that's that setup? Setup.
Boom, right there. All right.
Today is Martin Luther King's birthday. And I can't help but
ask the question. Is it time that people of color, recognize
how much power influence that we have amassed that we no longer
need to ask to be invited? Anywhere? I asked the question
Have we now come to a new time in place where we recognize that
we can no longer beg for the love, acknowledgement or respect
of any sender, maybe it's time that we recognize that if we
love and respect and acknowledge ourselves in the way in which we
are asking others to do that that is the place of true power.
I'm simply asking the question. Here's what I believe. The
Academy has the right to acknowledge whomever they choose
to invite whoever they choose. And now I think that is our
responsibility now to make the change.
Okay,
so people say she did this because we didn't get nominated
for his role. I think it concussion I think it was called
the move the NFL move. Yeah, so about CTE. Yeah. So that's why
they say she did this. But as we talked about before, the same
people they asked her so why April rain and we're gonna get
to her momentarily.
Yes. Rain yes
use the same one behind, she will rise. The hashtag Sandpiper
laws.
Well this is her actual job. She has her job as a media
strategist. This is what she does. We're living.
She's She's a mean Master is where she, I mean, it has I
mean, that's what it's all about. And these people have a
lot of influence. I have to ask the question, did she get Jada
where she co opted into it? But hey, we need a face for this.
Um, Jada? Can you go out and push this? Because, as we're
gonna hear a little bit later, I don't think we'll was fully on
board with her tactics. It's the House Divided over and yeah,
they're not gonna say the same page and a lot of things. Oh,
no, no. All
right, part two of this. Yes, please.
Maybe it is time that we pull back our resources. And we put
them back into our communities into our programs. And we make
programs for ourselves that acknowledge us in ways that we
see fit, that are just as good as the so called mainstream
ones. Here's what I do. Begging for acknowledgement, or even
asking, diminishes dignity and diminishes power. And we are a
dignified people. And we are powerful. And let's not forget
it. So let's let the academy do them. With all grace and love.
And less do us differently. I got nothing below. A Chris. I
will not be at the Academy Awards. And I won't be watching.
But I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand this
year than you my friend. Good luck to the rest of you. Always.
That was shade at the end. Yeah, that's a phrase that again, she
didn't say oh, you know, you deserve this. You earned it not
understanding. See, there's no she said I don't think there's a
better man for the job. Right? That can be taken her that is
not like as a compliment.
Like you are you're hanging out your Oreo cookie.
That death. And can we hear that one more time? You bet. He goes
on to say, and then the love to everyone else. Like no love for
you, Chris. I mean this. Maybe I'm reaching.
I'm reaching. Listen again.
Hey, Chris, I will not be at the Academy Awards. And I won't be
watching. But I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand
this year to you my friend. Good luck to the rest of you. Always.
Yeah, no, I think it could be interpreted multiple ways and
that's why it was constructed that way.
That's how I heard it because there's no better man to do the
job at hand. And they you just went on for three minutes
talking about how the Oscars so white. That and I'm just telling
you maybe I'm just I'm reaching but I don't think so. And I
think that's why Chris came out was like you weren't invited
anyway. You're not even in movies. Like because that's
that's the shade like
yes, absolutely.
Hint. I can see her in limbo. All right. No, I swear. This is
Jamie. I swear if Chris Rock saying anything about me.
Yeah, that's it. That's it anything? Yeah.
And he met while he went off? Like, oh, yeah, gi Jane. But did
that set will off? I don't know. But it's clear from these next
clips. Wasn't really on board with what Jada was doing. But he
had to go and put out the Firestorm.
Let's get right out to Robin. She's got that exclusive
interview with Will Smith in LA Robin.
All right, George and all Will Smith, one of the actors who
many feel should have been nominated for his performance in
concussion. Yeah, he hoped to receive a nomination. Many
actors hoped to hear their name called nomination morning but
well, Smith says he's even more concerned about what he sees as
a serious issue that goes far beyond the film industry. Is
Hollywood like you expected it to be and you dreamed of it. As
a kid,
the beauty of Hollywood and combined with American ideals is
The the ultimate dreams for humanity, the basis of the
American concept of anything is possible with with hard work and
dedication. And no matter your race or your religion, creed,
none of that matters in America
the way you describe it. And for everyone. Dream Course.
I hate hate to do this. But do you hear how weird is talking?
Does this sound like the wheel that we No,
no, not at all, at all.
It. I only say this just to point out, out of all these
clips we're gonna listen to he sounds different in every one. I
don't know if this is the roles he's playing seeping into what
but listen to the way he articulates his words. It's very
strange
work and dedication. And no matter your race or your
religion, creed, none of that matters in America,
the way you describe it. And for everyone, their American Dream
is different. It's not all the same. And they want to see that
reflected in film. And I think that is part of the conversation
that's going on right now. And people raising their hand and
saying, Hey, I'm not seeing myself being recognized by the
Academy.
And that's what got the ball rolling for the 2/94 Academy.
This is where we're at now, this started in 2016. And yeah,
you guys. Well, no, I'm jumping ahead. I'm looking at April
rain, and I know what's coming. So I'm just looking at some
players trying to find you know, curry curry cash check is not
very easy. So I'm just getting ready for you.
And we might not even like say it might not be about money at
this point. It's about clout. And you know who, if you look at
it. Well, let's, let's continue on. But as you seen, the 94
Academy Awards was a perfect example of black people opening
the door holding the door for everybody else to get it going.
And that's why I pointed out Amy Schumer.
That's why we have all these Damn, that's why we have all
these damn Korean movies winning Mo.
Door and it's like Amy comes in. She's like, What about Linko
what is nice Alinsky. litski. Yeah, that got to ski. And the
Ukrainians while we're here, black people, yes. Talking about
now. It's like, I thought this was the black Oscars. And they
you looking it's like two and a half women as the host. So you
know, saying they got Wanda Sykes, you're saying
representing the gays. You're saying not saying that? Gay?
Black, you know that, oh, we gotta get her out. And we got to
have a feminist rep as our representative or Amy Schumer.
You know, that kind of thing. He was like, hold on. We can't get
a black man. What are you got? we'll pack up behind the scenes
Shut up. You're saying like
you got you got Denzel hanging out in the front. Isn't that
enough for you?
Yeah, and then Tyler Perry was there so it was like okay, we'll
get we'll award you know, um, and I'm sure they put the Define
I'm doing a lot of speculating here but I'm sure they picked up
the blue light phone like hey, Serena you know that movie about
your dad? Yes. The 94 might be a great year to drop it you know
saying we it's the blessed the black Oscars we ain't baby USA
and then she gets wheeled to do it and all this is not happening
and and in in silos. This is a lot of phone calls. And yeah,
yeah, we got we secured a bag for your sand for 94. But it
started started rolling here with April rain and you know
what? I'm so giddy. Let's just go ahead and jump straight to 17
We brought her up so much. Okay,
thank you. You're throwing a party and you want everybody to
come. Equity is ensuring that there are different price
points. Diversity is inviting everybody. Inclusion is actually
asking people to dance once they're at the party. I'm April
rent. And this is a word why diversity is not enough. One
fateful morning on January 2015, I was watching the Oscar
nominations on TV category after category Best Actor, Best
Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress. There
were no people of color nominated in 2015 and this was
the year that gave us Selma. I took to Twitter and I said one
thing Oscar so white they asked to touch my hair. Initially
stuff It was
kinda remind people Salma was produced on directed by Auntie
duminy. Okay, so I'm just saying that was a slap in the face.
Like it's not someone not even nominated. It do Renee who is
Oprah's pupil? Oh, I want to just put that out here we're
gonna go back to wielding a firestorm but I thought Yes,
flagship clips you know so I like we continue on I took
to Twitter and I said one thing Oscar so white they asked to
touch my hair. Initially it was just as snarky and as sarcastic
as I meant it to be. And so that's what we were seeing with
all of the responses, you know Oscar so white, they wear
Birkenstocks in the wintertime, Oscar still like they have a
perfect credit score, right? It wasn't until a couple of days
later, when I realized that people were still having this
conversation and that we needed to talk about the distinctions
between diversity and inclusion, and equity and representation.
And in fact that this was bigger than just the academy, just the
Oscars, just the movie industry. So I created Oscar. So why in
January 2015, in 2016, the nominations came out. And again,
there were no people of color in any of the enacting categories.
One time is a fluke. Two times is a pattern, and I think it was
in 2016 when OscarsSoWhite truly took off, because people
realize, oh, okay, there is actually something here and it
was in 2016 that the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and
Sciences, they made substantive changes.
Yes, that was 16. What happened in 2010?
GE was there was there a presidential election or
something? Was there something that could have added to this
45 Savage, he created a whole history of diversity, inclusion
and equity as I call it, DIA. I know as Dr. But I like the other
way better. Yeah. Um, yeah. So he created Oh, like you heard
her say, this is bigger than the Oscars. This was a huge windfall
of cash. corporate cash.
Yes. Yes. And let me tell you, Okay, so there you go. That's
where I wanted you to get to corporate cash. So April rain
was reached, after she created the Oscar so white, according to
the Wikipedia page, Cheryl Boone Isaacs, a woman of color, who
was the president of the Academy, but what can we just
say collared woman, I never know what to say anymore. She reached
out at first released a statement and reached out to
lungs to the timelines a little weird with what she said that
the Academy would quote, take dramatic steps to alter the
makeup of our membership. And as a result, the academy voted
unanimously on January 21 2016, to make a variety of changes to
his membership and governance policies with the goal of
doubling the number of women and underrepresented groups by 2020
Hello there's nothing to do with white
has nothing to do with black Well, that's
my point is like Oscars so white Well, this is not this is this
is a Yeah, okay. We're saying the same thing. Not a single
thing about black but but Oh, but then as the hashtag was
created April rain catches some fire. And she gets outreach
according to her work EPDM I can actually read it to you. She
says that overture global reached out to her and said,
Hey, let's make a content deal. Now overture global, I really
have no idea what they are. Because there's a lot of
impressive people on the board. Like, you know, from the from
business and from politics. They are not a nonprofit, or at least
they don't have any information about it. But if we look at
about overture global, I'll just read it to you. Over to global
is a media platform and thought leadership community built to
inspire those working across boundaries, industries,
disciplines and generations. overture focuses on the
intersection of innovation and our culture of change, by
curating conversations for young digital connected audience via
content, online, print, video and live events. And perhaps
this is where the money comes from its members and sponsors
include Facebook, Google, Spotify, the World Bank, the
Nature Conservancy, International Rescue Committee,
US State Department, the British state department, and Johnson
and Johnson. So You're right. big money, big money went into
this.
Because these huge corporations, as you always talk about, I call
it the corporate credit credit score. But they saw the
handwriting on the wall and like we got to write a check to
somebody gotta get
Yep. And that this was it, this was a check. It doesn't
matter to who we got, I've solved it now. And I'm free to
speak of it. I saw in my former Corporation I worked for you saw
all of these, quote unquote, black women being brought into
HR as the di e specialists, and they created these new executive
roles, and may and it was so disgusting. Because what people
don't know how the sausage is made out was in these rooms.
They will basically have black people come out there and tell
how they were being how they experienced racism. And I was
like a very sadomasochists kind of, like women.
Yeah. So there's a room with all with all kinds of employees.
Yes. Except then you had to bring out the the ones, the non
whites. Let's just put it that way. He does stand up and say,
here's how I experienced racism in the workplace.
Yes. And then they had different groups. Because every employee
had to go to one group, they had the elderly, they had to
disable, they had the LGBTQ, they had the and then they had
the black. And the funny thing was, last time I checked, I
thought Indians and Asians were minorities, too, but they didn't
have no empowerment group. So I'm like, well, well, well,
well, well, you've been listening with the disabled
folks. You're saying the older feeble, not no disrespect, I'm
just saying like, and manette where have you stood up there?
And you had to say, and I will listen, this was doing COVID So
I mean, I was in the zoom. I mean, it was zoom rooms. Nalanda
and I never had my camera on at work either. So don't feel even
at work. I didn't have no camera. Oh, my man. No, no
camera, no open account, but it was like I will listen, like
people will come up here like, it's very like I said, this. I
don't know I asked was sadomasochists vibe of Oh, and
people that Oh, you're so strong. And I'm like, Are you
kidding me? Like I would no way in the world I would get out
here in front of a bunch of people and like, want to be
accepted her words be asked to dance. That's the thing like No,
tell us your oven. That's what they brought in with them. What
I noticed is a long Shaggy, shaggy dog story but the funny
thing was like every month they were like oh we're gonna do this
for this group the black doll you know black history month and
then when he got the other groups is like oh yeah, we're
donating money to this gold is fine or whatever. And I'm like
hold on the black people they get nothing like we got what
like a special notch
Oscar so Oscar so white went to women and other minorities is
fantastic. Look at
look at the representation that was from the host. That was Who
did you have you had the black woman you had older gay black
woman, Rhonda sites and feminism necessarily das das who was not
there. And you heard of all over who was really making demands we
need you're saying we need Ukraine to be represent Ukraine,
the Nazis? I mean, black Oscars? Oh, what are we doing with that?
But that's that's the way it went. Um, but let's see, I think
we stopped that. Let's get back to miss April rang part two.
In 2016. The Academy committed to doubling the number of people
of color and doubling the number of women within its ranks by
2020. Opening up its ranks to people like Julie dash, who is a
phenomenal filmmaker like Melvin van Peebles, who was the
godfather of Blaxploitation films, neither.
I just gotta warn people, we talked about Blaxploitation
films or riding in the theaters. And Melvin van Peebles is like
127 years old. Yeah, I mean, so when no disrespect but when he
dies pleasing gonna get his spot like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Let's
put the old black guy in there for representation. But we know
it wasn't like he gonna be around here long and then we'll
just
replace them. Yep.
Yeah, I'm just wondering.
This is this is this is this. I had not expected. Not expected
this. This is deep. This is good. This is you know what? The
entire world was distracted and obsessed with this for a full
week at minimum. Two weeks, and of course, there's still a long
tail of it. No One has broached any of this, this these angles
of what happened here, not a single person, not a single
show, not a single network, nobody. This is I just wanted to
point that out and congratulate you on this fantastic work.
I appreciate that. Okay, we continue,
and Peebles who was the godfather of Blaxploitation
films, neither of whom had been in the academy before makes a
difference, because that means they're going to be viewing
films through their lens through the lens of a marginalized
person, there is really not an industry in the United States
that is not affected by the lack of inclusion of marginalized
communities. So while I didn't have a goal, initially, it
became really clear to me that we needed to continue these
conversations in every single field, not just an
entertainment. And so I'm attempting to take that on and
continue discussing issues of diversity and inclusion, and
equity and representation. Both the terms diversity and
inclusion are overused, it's sort of a catch all. And people
really don't think about what the distinctions are. So when we
see that particular corporations or organizations have diversity
initiatives, what does that mean? Truly, they're going to
put more people of color in their ads or in their magazines,
or, you know, shilling their product. And yet, when you look
at their boardrooms, when you look at the C suite, when you
look at the higher level employees within the
organization, they look incredibly homogenous. When
someone says oh, yeah, we're very diverse. You know, we've
been very intentional about what we're doing. Ask the question,
you know, what is the percentage of people of color what is the
percentage of disabled folks?
Alright, Stop, just stop, stop. I need to give you some more
information on April rain. So April rains started a new studio
with this global outfit. And what they started is ensemble
studio. The F, an ensemble studio, it's all in the show
notes. Ensemble studio, what is ensemble studio? Well, first of
all, ensemble studio, creates opportunities from challenges,
helps brands evolve and reach new audiences and tries to make
a positive difference to the world. We take our client's
creativity to new heights and enable each one to speak with
the voice that's truly uniquely theirs. So she went on to create
content. And this Ensemble Studios while on the website is
part of FleishmanHillard a huge advertising company. So it's a
subsidiary of and they I'm reading right here,
international agency 2320 specialists across 48 offices,
31 countries 20 languages. 11 timezones, firm services include
corporate and financial PR employment engagement, crisis
and issues management, domestic and international affairs media
relations, opinion research analytics. FleishmanHillard
equips ensemble studio with insight and knowledge that
informs and drives every piece of work blah, blah, blah. Okay,
so now so the FleishmanHillard now we go back to that's who we
are on their website. What do we do? Well, our approach is built
on collaboration expert insight. Ensemble studio brings
creativity to brand and corporate communications. Nicely
done April rain. What are some of your clients showcasing
clients? Let's see. The future starts today. 5g AT and T bear.
Johnson and Johnson Virgin Money, financial fraud action UK
Thyssen Krupp coffee people. I mean, this oh they went from oh
my god, Barclays, Santander, Olympus, Philips, Novartis,
these are the people who create native ads, Twitter, Black
Twitter campaigns, anything to push products, agendas DLM ESG
di e element Opie, this is evil shit. These are propaganda
Skora or you always talk about Jamie. That's right. That's
right. This is the ES I'm so April
rain is no friend to black Americans. She's a corporate
horror.
I went to one of these trainings, sees a lot of stuff I
can't talk about before. McKinsey had one called the
Black Leadership Academy experience. Experience. Oh,
yeah. And the thing was, was, it was so it was so artificial. A
lot of people I know didn't want to partake in it. That HR I was
content and black people. That's how I got in. Or you're black.
How would you like the black leadership?
Excuse me, Mr. Mo, we have it on good authority. You're a black
employee. Is this correct? That is correct. We need to put you
in the leadership group experience, Mr. Black employee,
the day, the day, the cut off, they were contacted people, how
would you join? How would you like to join? I'm like, this
would be great for content.
Good, man. Good, man.
So I signed up for it. But I don't understand how giving me
more work. Yeah, it's helping me do my job better. I don't
understand. But this they had to get the J nation
ESG score, they need ESG score up because it's, this is what's
so interesting. You know, Elon Musk is normalizing ESG. He's
normalizing it by saying, oh, boohoo, I create all these great
cars. But I get kicked out of the s&p 500 ESG list because no
racism in the workplace. So we're not even asking about the
fact that there's a crazy ass score that determines, you know,
if companies are investable? No, we're already down to the level
of Well, that's fucked up. Elon, you know, you deserve better.
You see, it's normalizing. It's normalizing it. Yeah.
That's man. I'm trying. But this is, like I said, I live this. I
know, I couldn't talk about it before. But you know, I'm slowly
How was the How was the experience? Was it fun?
It was basically a set of like, it was basically like a, they
write up these quizzes, like, Hey, you want to be a leader?
This is what you got to do. And I'm like, bro, I've been a
leader in my job for how many years? I mean, like, what are
you telling me? It's about access at this point. And then
that will link you up with one of those actors in the company.
And you send them I am and he didn't respond. You know, that
kind of thing. Racist. Right? It was like, I'll volunteer but he
won't never respond. I was like, Okay, I see what this is. But I
knew what it was going into. It was all about the George. This
is doing George Floyd Pete George Floyd pig. You Yeah. So
there, we're trying to get that missing the ESG score, up, up,
up, up. And the way they did it was how much money we spent. How
many employees got in this one? The Coca Cola is leaks was going
on.
And this you know, this is what you put in your corporate
report. You do it every single year, and you show your di e
everyone has it. Now, everyone has to have this energy. Yes,
you're right, it comes down to the money. That's that's the
score, how much money appropriate in proportion to
your revenues and profits did you spend on this? You know, we
could be multimillionaires. But you and I just going out and
role playing the shit for companies. We'd have a good time
to we'd have a good time. I'll be the racist white guy. This is
how not to do it kids.
That's the problem is they're in an echo chamber. Honestly, I
think these companies are benign either way. It's like how do we
make money out of us? ESG score. Okay, that's gonna run out
profit.
I gotta say one other thing. We may have discussed this. When
Tina was wrong. McDonald House, I think was when I was, I think
it was. And so I'm speaking out of turn here. So I'm just saying
I would she would have to speak to her experience. But in
general, when she came home for one of these di e, it was like
two days, she was very impressed. Because she learned
about a lot of things she didn't know. And she just felt it was
it was really, it made quite an impression on her of things she
never thought about. Now, this is before mo facts. So you know,
she's you know, and she and I both talked about how many
things we never thought about that. It's like, it's enormous,
but it's not the things that the Dia II was teaching you.
Understanding margin is a catch all. Each, the DIA, the DIA
thing is, hey, you know, I have a master's degree, but you know,
yet I couldn't couldn't get a job. And this data is that that
level, kind of maybe a little bit more in the corporate
environment in the environment itself. And to me, it was kind
of trauma based learning. Not really, hello.
That's why Pete George Floyd, there was like, put in
overdrive, you know, it was books you need to read. That's
when white fragility fragility, yeah,
but I'm saying that it's completely okay. I guess what
I'm saying is, there's so much validity to learning and
understanding about your fellow countrymen. That does not have
to be in a corporate setting and a black white issue. You know,
go out to a bar have a drink with somebody talk openly
that you can't do that while say it said maybe they were maybe
not homogenous, but that's the correct word in the sense of it
had to fit. They weren't creative. They're like okay,
this is the plight of maybe gay people in the corporate society.
This is the plight of black people in the corporate no
setting, not Saudi setting. This is the the plight of disabled
people. No was like, let's create one lesson plan. What's
your disability? Oh, you have a vagina. Okay. What's your
disability all you have melanated skin I see. Oh, what's
your disability? Oh, yeah, you get no, huh. Okay, now in this
line, okay. Now we have a catch all for everything instead of
being specific to each topic where there's opportunities for
to learn. But the problem was, I'm telling you what a di e went
off the rails when they turn on their white sisters. See, they
got in these rooms. It was like, yeah, yeah, this is my issue.
But then intersectionality thing came up. It's like how many how
many? Girl Scout badges did you have? How many? Oh, what's your
white skin? So you got to shut up? You're saying when the brown
and black women are talking? Right? And that's what kind of
created the vibe in Virginia and you start start seeing it play
out it at town halls and school board meetings. Yeah. Because
you people will go to work all day be forced to see me because
you got to go. You had to go. Mandatory. Maybe you tell how
bad you are that you can't you can't force people to get it hug
or their words to dance, you know, says like, if you can have
a meaningful conversation, somebody go forward, you know,
but you can't hold people hostage in a room and tell them
how bad they are thinking they're gonna accept it. You can
but those people will be like, messed up you know? Like kind of
scared to say what they wanted to say. Now with all that said,
now we got to go back to the firestorm because now we you've
laid out all the corporate cat cash as you do the court the
carry cash check. And now what they what do they need they
need? This is my speculation. They needed a frontwoman Jada,
the academy
is under pressure as more stars speak out about the lack of
diversity in this year's Oscar nominations, including Will's
wife Jada Pinkett Smith
Academy to them with all grace and less to us.
Your beautiful wife, Jada, so passionate, and so powerful.
Absolutely. And letting the world know her thoughts about
the lack of diversity in Hollywood with her posting.
Absolutely. And has been seen by my millions. Were you aware that
she was going to do that?
No, I was. I was out of the country at the time. And I came
home. What happened?
What was your first reaction? Was it was it a fist pump? Or
was it like, Oh,
she's deeply passionate and when she is moved, she has to go. And
I heard her words and I was knocked over you know, I was
happy to be married to that woman. But I appreciated the
push. There is a position that we hold in this community. And
if we're not a part of the solution, we're part of the
problem. And it was her call to action for herself and for me
and for our family to be a part of the solution.
Cheese
he doesn't even know no
way she's moved
when she's moved so Oscar so white this is just my
speculation on how if it's a hoax for you hoax folks out
there like I've covered if it was real and they're saying that
no emotional we touched on it here. Maybe it was a mother
response you know our whatever but if it was a hoax, who could
call that shot? Who has enough clout? Now we have an
interesting person to come.
Oh, boy, okay,
we gotta go now we gotta go Oh, gee. Boulais Oh, no,
knock you
slack through producing a calendar was like running
through hell with gasoline underwear. No, it's it's it's
it's amazing. It's you get I was on the border of the academy
with the brat music branch, two years or so forth. Again,
familiarity helps you go through things. But just the way it's
designed. You Aren't you can't yell at anybody, because you're
not paying anybody outside of the Bureau staff. And so the
stars are not, you know, Sunday, I'm just rounding the stars out,
you know, and trying to keep everybody just so that they go
through to the end. Because a lot of things happened, you
know, the eagle things happen. I don't want to be what's on so
none of them. You know, I don't want him to give me the award.
It's insane. But you get to see everybody the day before you
shoot. That's it. You think you take the three weeks of
rehearsal before? No way buddy the day before you do the show.
You have all these people with 15 minutes apiece to come in and
talk about what that what this trip is about that now if they
want to change this to fix that and everything, and just really
just to see each other most of the people you know, already
anyway, never stops and two minutes before Chris Reeve goes
out. Because what goes on, says he does not want to use the
Superman theme now. Okay, you know how many people you have to
load to notify, to get that theme out? To give them musical
direction you gotta get to, I'll tell everybody, you know, just
cameras and everybody and there's 1000s of things like
that that happened in the best part of the show. The important
part is to figure out what you can put your fingerprints on the
other stuff is fixed it's given and where can you touch it and
then there's the serendipity that's just totally the moments
that happened with crystal reveals the purpose of you know,
watching his daughter get to ask him you know that most of the
moments and then that's stuff you can do just have to let let
it let it go let it happen you know
so Quincy Jones produce the 1996 Oscars 20 years later Oscar So
White comes up Yes, so it's not like I mean he's been in wills
Packer Shoes That's why I brought him into this but he
plays a bigger role as well. But like you said, you only for the
people out there so oh staged and you know that kind of thing
is like this grand I think is a disservice people do when they
say things like things a stage and they think every T to beat
action a staged might even in sports people i Oh, look at the
score. It was 102103 No, no, no, that's not how it works when you
read a game, I mean, it's not down to every shot. It's just
like we have our goal. And you hear Quincy Jones said they only
go through this thing once a day before let's say it right the
day before and then they come back the next day and then they
do it shoot it so that gives a lot of opportunity for people
with agendas to a lot of freedom to move about without it being
this grand conspiracy of 100 people at the camp man was in on
it. It was taped on the floor and he stood on the spotlight NO
NO NO calm down don't don't go that far because that's how you
lose people. When you go that far. Please just like it's their
motive there yeah, there's motive is an opportunity. Yeah.
But when you go like Oh, everything is orchestrated that
can't you kind of lose the script
well and that's that's that's the danger of conspiracy theory
or theories and that's why people need conspiracy
therapists
and analysts so that's why I analyzed this conspiracy I've
heard him all the Pfizer was up to it to push their new
outpatient drugs. Yeah, it's a lot of smoke but they were
talking about it six years ago. I mean, so who knows but this
the minor four or five, the blue line, get out? Get out Get a
mean gone for us, you know, to get our name out there in the
circle? Probably. I mean, they were in on it. No, the host
Well, what you hear what you heard Quincy saying that I mean,
this this is the guy he's a producer who really understands
the final product. That's what I liked about what he was saying,
you know, he's like, you know, here's the here's the magic that
makes things happen good, bad or indifferent.
And I like the perspective that he's he's in Oscar circles see
because there's as we're starting to see there's everyone
wants to all the blacks or the gays is different groups inside
the sub categories that yes, don't agree. Like you have a
Quincy Jones and Chris Rock and Whitney, I mean Whoopi Goldberg
she was very supportive for Chris Rock, you know, saying
when he did the 2016 So use is different groups. So um, we got
to remember that book. So Quincy Jones had a different mindset
other than boycotting anything you want to say before we play
the next clip? No, I'm ready for it. All right, this is all him
on why boycotting won't stop diversity. What do you make of
people saying we should boycott this year's Oscars?
Why cut doesn't do anything? He doesn't accomplish anything man
has a confrontation, but it has no it has no solution to I don't
believe in that. All my life I've always had to make a
problem and turn it converted into a puzzle I can solve
puzzles.
What is the solution to the fact that what is the solution? The
fact that Oscar says
we'll let you know later? Yes, complex man. Very complex. Were
you surprised to be on the executive committee I wanted to.
I was the first black on the executive committee. We changed
all the rules for the song category and allowed the Beatles
to win Politik. B Plaza ks with chaff preparation and did you
ever think they asked her to go to three six mafia for it's hot
out here for PAM, please.
Please. You see he didn't have much to say about the Oscars. So
White situation, but the Tom Kane and now Chris Rock goes up
for steel in 2016. Just to keep people where we're at right now.
And he goes out and calls out the her calls are out in the
monologue.
I'm here at the Academy Awards. Otherwise known as the white
People's Choice Awards.
Chris Rock tackled diversity head on during his opening
monologue at the Oscars, delivering jokes that were both
hilarious and poignant. Like this one where he called out
Jada Pinkett Smith for boycotting the show.
boycotting the Oscars was like me boycotting Rihanna is
panties. I wasn't invited. Okay, this man who man will who was
not nominated for concussion I get it. I get it. Tell the
truth. I get it. I get it. You get mad, said it's it's not that
well, was this good and didn't get nominated. Yeah, you're
right. It's also not fair that will was paying 20 million for
wild wild west.
Comedian kept things mostly light hearted but ended on a
serious note offering his perspective on the Oscars. So
White controversy so it's not
about boycott anything. It's just we want opportunity. What
black actors to get the same opportunities.
Immediately following the monologue, stars praised rock on
social media, including Amy Schumer, Oprah and Ellen
DeGeneres. Hello, nice
crew.
I stayed in the mix. Like I just started looking at her
differently. Like she she's in the mix. Is she playing both
sides? Notice what the monologue she's got all in there for
Chris. And basic exam with the Oscar. So white crowd or the
maxis question before we get into the donation segment. Was
the 94 Oscars the result of the Oscar so white, or this illusion
to solve Oscar so while dealing with Quincy Jones and his crew
I would say that that's a follow on from from Quincy, that's what
would make sense to me.
Right? Who do we know whom do we know? Who do we trust? All
right, let's get Quincy in. We'll get we'll Packer
you know, and also but also Quincy has an intimate very long
standing relationship with will.
How are we gonna get there? Oh, we got he produced Fresh Prince
of
Bel Air. Keep your intimate.
lmao No,
don't tell me I'm gonna just put my gotten is. I can't watch
anymore. It's too much.
Alright, let's let's take a cool job. Let's take a break. This is
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All right, so we've we heard the monologue. We've heard about the
slap. But what I want to do is humanize the two men that were
in, you know, in this event, I'm gonna start with Chris Rock, and
then we'll move on to Will Smith. But we got to look at
their childhood because we always like to humanize, see you
like you brought up with Will Smith and his mother, you know,
his spirits were heard how it may lead to it. I want to show
how, like I said, these are the good guys in Hollywood. These
are those these are the guys that are in celebrity. I mean,
like black celebrities like Okay, those are the quote
unquote, you know, it's beyond that family friendly. Yeah,
these are nice black men your white daughter can come home
with Yeah, I'm serious. These are the non threatening black
men of Hollywood. That's how
I think and I think that's why if it was played out like I
think it was played out. They had a perfect tool to show
there's no Goodwin's cut, let me let me like something out here.
Yeah, that's that said,
cuz I want to lay this out how
if it ever becomes popular, not to buy on with the woke ism,
that they try to force down our throat with Black Twitter, with
di D, with all this woke agenda. And black men are truly
representative as the marker server to people that we are not
politically I'm talking about socially. And we also want to
celebrate our individual identity and not be told to shut
up and just stay the bottom. That and that enter row style
whole agenda. That because that opens it up to right now even
here, everybody else, all the Hispanics are going to that
those 7030 4060 Split voting, right? The black bloc is the
only blot the Democrats can count on. And if that ever gets
to we saw with Trump, you know, he doubled, but 2016 and 2020
and black women and black men voted for him. And I said, you
know I stand on voting I don't vote. But the reason I'm saying
this is you think this slap will impact the image. And this is
something to Kevin Samuels just to bring him up once more time
was all about our racial image and that's what pissed a piece
pissed off a lot of people about him because it's like no we
won't be your sacrificial lamb we won't be the bottom you know
as he said in the clip, I play two aces brute thing they want
to have with us like Oh, me, me, man, you were saying like to
take two good guys like this and play that out on an
international stage. A little bit of wind out of the sails of
of the movement of black male independence quest. Oh,
so now we come back to what I said earlier. is taken it out
for you for yourselves. But perhaps not so much to the rest
of the world. I know it's much deeper than that you and I know
much better but to superficial people who just kind of like, I
don't know if they feel like like black men are any worse
than they might have thought or not thought
this is important enter a community. This is important,
this is very important and true. The quote unquote community,
because it's like this is your leadership, like this is who you
want to follow. You know, that's the whole point of it was
because this one thing that might not bleed over the all the
intellects and intricate details didn't bleed over the timeline
into your
at all know that this is why I'm bringing it up, because all
these things almost seem self imposed. But I understand what
you're saying, Now this, this helps a lot,
right? Because this is gets them back on the booty to the polls.
This the group mentality and that's why Kevin was so savage
about the way he came in. And I felt the same way because he's
like, Oh, this is the destabilized the image of black
men, the way it played out, but now we got to go and look at the
background of these two men, which I don't think many people
talked about. And this is Chris right before the Oscars Chris
Rock open about his child childhood trauma he experienced
Sunday night's asker assault is still very much an evolving
topic. And people are focusing on a podcast from back in
January, where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident
from his childhood impacted him later in life. Take a look
at my child I was bullied ridiculously the half of it the
bullies because I was just a little guy. And then I got bused
to school. So I got I was a little guy and I was black. One
day a guy really disrespected me really bad, like, mush me at a
party. And I went home, I put a brick in a bag and smack this
guy in the face with this brick, and then stomp to Joe Pesci
style. Now, to the point we thought he might die. That's my
shrink puts it to me, you have been scared to be angry ever
since. So the guy you saw was bending over backwards to be
nice, but I was so scared of my
you know, and the question is, did the incident have anything
to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars? Or was he
being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And
I want to ask people, why you think he would have indulged in
a brawl on a stage in front of 3 billion people? Why wouldn't he
be the adult? I keep hearing that and people keep saying
people are going to, you know, think of black people the wrong
way? Well, let me tell you, they should be looking at us saying,
oh, okay, because he didn't indulge, he didn't there's
nothing wrong with what he did. So there's no reason for anybody
to have any issue with black people. You have an issue with
Will Smith and what he did, yeah, he doesn't represent every
black person on the planet fast. I'm doing that.
Wow. So Whoopi, just putting it out there in case it hadn't
traumatized you about black men. Here's something to not think
about.
Right? That's horrible. I don't think I don't think she
intentionally done that. Because she's on the remember. She was
supportive of Chris Rock. And doing the Oscars. I know.
But but she brought something up that her predominantly white
audience wasn't even thinking about this is my point.
See, I didn't see it that way. Yeah. Oh, so you're saying,
don't talk about what I'm just gonna talk to you about kind of
about what I'm about to say, you
know, what I'm saying is, she's propagating the the trauma
interracially right. I don't understand why because I don't
think that that was people are looking at two actors. Their
audience looked at actors. Their audience weren't thinking about
that. Now they are.
Right. That's what I said. Don't think about what I'm telling
you. Yes. Yeah. That's like, it's like when people say I got
something to tell you. I'll tell you later. Yeah. Exactly. Just
tell me later I got time. Like that's very manipulative. I
didn't look at it that way. That's very that's very
interesting. Oh, was gonna tell you how I heard doing this when
we hear so here today. Of course, I was hearing her say,
by all black people don't think this way of it's okay to go up
on the stage and smack somebody or get into a bra with people
that you were hearing for Tiffany? Haddish. He was saying
like, divine violence is not okay.
Let's listen to it again. Okay. It's worth it. I liked it. I
love it when we hear things differently. That's what makes
it so beautiful. Studio
Sunday night's ask her salt is still very much an evolving
topic and people are focusing on a podcast from back in January,
where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident from his
childhood impacted him late in life. Take a look.
Okay, so this makes sense right now this is this is actually
great information. This is just as Uh, you know, everyone has
trauma and I'll skip past the part of him retelling the whole
story. But this is good. I mean, this is an that's an interesting
topic that she's bringing up. So okay, this is why Chris Rock may
not have fought back is because this is his his individual
trauma that he actually went to a psychiatrist for
die was bending over backwards,
you know, and the question is, did the incident have anything
to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars? Or was he
being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And
I want to ask people, why you think he would have indulged in
a brawl on a stage in front of 3 billion people? Why wouldn't he
be the adult? I keep hearing that and people keep saying
people are gonna you know, think of black people the wrong way.
Well, let me tell you
no, not people black people. That's that's that's the thing
right there. And also understand the view is highly scripted.
This was premeditated that she said this
point point taking. So I mean, that just it just goes to show
you that that racial image is always being thought about to
say, Okay, we don't want to be seen like you know, saying
brutes or whatever.
Hey, well, welcome to my club brother. Was that but my club is
everything a white man says has to you have to filter it is his
racist, is I'm saying Am I saying something in my out of
MIT character? Am I saying something that's wrong? Am I
going to hurt someone's feelings? I'm not putting me
above you
know, it's not saying it's different filters. I mean, this
is what brought us together because it's different filtering
mechanism, but the fact that the filters their day, you know, go
back one minute when even when I was the lady from the tall lady
with the short hair on Good Morning, America. I forget her
name. Robin. Robin. When she started to talk about JD she was
like your beautiful wife. Isn't she amazing? Like she had to.
Even when talking about one of her sisters, she had to lay it
on thick Before criticizing it's different filters for everybody.
And what we do here is to have an honest conversation. I don't
worry about you being offended. You don't worry about me being
offended. And it's really a rare space because everywhere else
you have to think about it. Even if even if you go on proceed
what you thought about before thinking the fact that you had
to think it that's the real market. Yes, exactly. Alright,
so. Yeah. So now I want to get into a little bit deeper of the
abuse that Chris Rock experienced.
This is a horrible existence. The closest character I can
relate to is Tim Robbins in the Shawshank. Every day was hell. I
was a nigger, and I got fucking my ass beat. And I got
physically fucked up. And sometimes some sexual shit
happen. And yeah, like, I wasn't raped but rubbish.
Okay.
I found that to be like, I need to follow a rapist right ish. So
and to go back when Chris
when he said when he says that I heard banjos playing for some
reason? I don't know. deliveries, right? Yeah. Wow.
Okay, Chris. Hey, I'd be traumatized to brother
with nobody asked a follow up. Oh, no, of
course not. That would be journalism stop button
and also nobody cares. If nobody cares. It's the shows I want to
start happening to talk about and some topics I'm gonna talk
about. Nobody cares about black man abuse. Nobody. I mean, like,
we're as a demographic, we weren't the most abused people
look at prison rape in their trivializes jokes is comedy. You
know, so yeah. Oh, you got I mean, like even him being
bullied on the show. Everybody Hates Chris. I'm gonna it's
portrayed out, but it's done in a self deprecating humor kind of
way. And that's that thing I told my I talked about before
with me. I'm serious, because everybody expects you to laugh
and joke and not be serious because you don't want to seem
intimidating or that kind of thing. That's that filter is
like that was the thing like he doesn't want to be seen as
angry. So you got to smile and just take it in? No, we're not
gonna take it anymore. You know, it was a cuter music. But
that's, that's where we're at with it. And that's, I think
that's what they're trying to put a wet blanket over. It's
like no, you can't have men in general black men more
specifically for my case, saying what they feel like that's,
that's a bad idea, right? Oh, for a certain group of people to
say what we signed on to and what we know. And it's the same
thing for your group, like when you start taking out the
filters, and saying what you want to say, then we can get to
some. Yeah, some common ground. And I think that's the real
thing. They want to stop. So now that's his trauma, childhood
trauma. Let's go over to the other side. And race plays a lot
into his because he was going to a white school. Now this is Will
Smith talking about racism and his career in childhood.
Early on in your rap career, you write about facing constant
criticism, and I love this quote, you say, a Catholic
school no matter how well spoken or intelligent I was, I was
still the black kid and Winfield. No matter how up I was
on the latest music and fashion, I was never quite black. Enough,
I became one of the first hip hop artists who was considered
safe enough for white audiences. But with black audiences, I was
labeled soft, because I wasn't rapping about hardcore gangster
stuff. This racial dynamic is something that has plagued me in
various forms throughout my entire life. And I wanted to ask
you, how have you navigated what you call this racial dynamic?
So the elixir for me has been comedy. Comedy crosses, all
divides. If you know how to make people.
Different wheel. Yes. Yes, very.
We listen to we'll listen to all the different wheels, because
that's very jarring. very jarring to me. When you listen
to him in different spots.
That is so true. That is completely completely different
will. Interesting. All right.
Comedy crosses, all divides. If you learn how to make people
laugh, it's like it's the sugar for anything else that you want
to bring to that person. People are wide open when they're
laughing. Right. So for me, throughout my career, the bigger
the lash. I realized, the less I was the black dude.
Oh, really? No.
So you, Chris Rock dealt with the same thing? Yeah. Not being
black enough. And I want to make something clear. There are black
comedians and actors that are seeing as though Black White
comedians and actors like they could. And it's bear with me to
try to explain this to my David Chappelle. He doesn't make black
comedy. Chris Rock didn't make quote unquote black comedy. No,
in his way, like, say it. Wanda Sykes, another one. The one that
addressed it the best was Wayne Brady when he was on Chappelle
because he they kind of acknowledged it like Wayne Brady
is like a showtunes Broadway kind of act is not black
targeted media let me be clear what that is. It's funded by the
same people but it's targeted in a different way. I'm even have
this in YouTube. You have black targeted content creators and
you have black content. Yeah, content creators who happen to
be black. Okay, there's a there's a difference and I just
want to point all this out. Because this is why the robe of
Chris bra being told you're the best you're the best guy for the
job. He was like what does that mean? Right? And I'm sure we all
can empathize with him because he was just like you said this
safe black guy to bring home to your parents. You know nobody
wants to be safe at this beat let's just be honest I mean like
nobody that's not a it's something that you want to be
that's not something you want to be known as right like equates
the boring equates to lame in a way Yeah. So I just want I just
want to point that out understand that's definitely
that's why 2016 was the real robe. And what we saw play out
this this that this year, but just a result of that. Are you
the best guy for the job? Here Hi, Chris. How are you? Oh,
yeah. For that racist white Show.
Yeah, I got a cat man. It's crazy. I know exactly how he
heard it in Yeah. So and I'm sure Chris knew as well. But
let's get into the second part of Christian right man willing
white racism.
Right? The bigger the laugh, the less I was the soft dude. Right
laughter trumps everything right? And it's it's a magical
it's a magical energy that connects people and that it for
a brief moment at least purifies the poises
Yes. And you're not in any way didn't marginalizing or
minimizing overt racism because you say every encounter I ever
had with overt racism were with people I estimated to be weak
enemies at best, so overt racism although dangerous and ever
present never made me feel inferior. I thought that was so
interesting. I felt the same way. I was raised to believe
that you can encounter any situation racist or otherwise
hard work education and God will topple any and all obstacles and
enemies and I wonder how did that affect you moving to the
world of power as a black man
so it's funny to Tyrese called me one time he was going through
some
who's Tyrese Tyrese from transformers Fast and Furious.
Got it, got it got ya. And he was mad. He had just left a
meeting or something like that. And he said, Hey, man, what I
got to do to walk into these meetings and have them not look
at me as just walking into office. And I said, Well, you
got to stop thinking of yourself as walking in office.
So come with me, and I want to address why he brought out
magical. And that's what I was talking about in the magical
negro. And what that is, is, like I say it's the
stereotypical role and you start it starts to trend it starts to
stick with you off the screen. That's just like Morgan Freeman.
He's seen as you know, God, you know, saying like all like
President God, this kind of thing. He solves everybody's
problems. One of the best magical Negro roles that was
snapples that was played was Will Smith and The Legend of
Bagger Vance. And what it is, is you're a black man, but your
whole goal is to be the Savior for white well white character.
You know, it's not about me, I went I suffered so I can be the
safe character that oh sacrifice once again, sacrifice my own
wants and needs for your improvement. And like I say,
Bagger Vance was like one of the go to textbook examples and it's
fun I'm gonna turn it over to you just want to point out one
more thing the determination hard work and God notice they
went to Boulais a member to sitting down having a
conversation they can say that but if you say that like out it
conflicts with everything. The Democrats or liberals think
yeah, Oprah can't say that out loud. I mean, like use her full
voice to say
no, she she says she in fact she used it as other people saying
this is what people were saying herself other people
right. But they both agree that's how you do it but they
can't do that because that ruins the whole victimhood dia drift
is a very nuanced conversation. It's a very nuanced conversation
and it's gas and brakes it's like ah, we can't go too far oh
that God and determination thing but we're Boulais brothers and
sister we can have this conversation amongst ourselves
yeah so um yeah so I mean it's it's it's very Alexei has very
many layers to this. But going on to the next clip. I think
this is this is a long clip so stop it where you want to, but I
left all the music, the fanfare everything in because I believe
this was the passing of the guard. From Bill Cosby to Will
Smith.
Oh, my. Okay, the truth. That's some interesting shoes to fill.
Now just listen to the recent This is older that means like
9899 essence wars, if if my memory serves me correctly, but
listen to Bill Cosby's reception in the room
ladies and gentlemen, please welcome a man who says the
darndest things 1990 sevens essence award recipient Mr. Bill
Cosby
yeah that's when he had kids say the darndest things that TV show
was very
big this is what this is him at his peak ultimate Peak Peak this
to the past you standing ovation
once upon a time, there was a young guy from Philadelphia
named Will
in many ways, he was an ordinary fellow from nice home living off
of his parents. And while he did that his parents taught him
right from wrong. But he found that he had an extraordinary
gift and it turned him into a Fresh Prince. He could fashion a
rhyme at the drop of a dime. All the neighborhood kids marveled
at this ability, which he most often displayed at parties with
his best friend, DJ Jazzy
Jeff Grammy goes to Well Jeff and I never really wanted
anything other than to hear our record on the radio. That was
like the big thing. And it made June 1986 You know, Jeff and I,
we were at my father's business and we saw a guy run by bobbing
his head to girls ain't nothing but trouble. And from that
point, we've been completely beyond anything we ever dreamed
last week.
And if you heard that I heard that you could hear Chris Rock
presenting the award Grammy award right to Will Smith that
just just let you know that there. There's history between
those two? No kidding, because because he needs a war shot. I
don't know if people knew this or not. You can select who you
want to give you award. I mean, everybody knows who's won.
That's why they know that show up or not.
Yeah,
but because you saw this with Kanye and ludicrous when he
first won his Grammys him and Luke was very close. So that was
I think that's an indicator to how close a Christian we'll were
prior to this whole situation. All right. So fresh prints. I
think this goes to your point about letting a young black man
into your home. That was a big deal that show yeah.
So um,
that that Monday slot, NBC, NBC Cosby, this show was created by
Quincy Jones, you hear over and you're saying like, I want to
stress the point that Will Smith is super duper Boulay. All the
old school put their hand on him like he was saying that clip
between him and Bill Cosby. He was pretty
much that was the Barack Obama of Hollywood.
He was nice. And there is a resemblance between wills and
Brock Obama and the IRS and everything like that. So just
don't let that slip past you either. But this is the story of
how Fresh Prince became the first Prince.
Before I was getting in trouble with Uncle Phil. I was in
trouble with Uncle Sam. Me and Jeff had come out with our smash
hit. parents just don't understand. We made a bunch of
money. We won a Grammy album was triple platinum. I have
motorcycles and cars are called the Gucci store in Atlanta. And
I was like, close it down if I bring my friends, and I'm
smiling, but that's stupid. We released our next album, and it
was like a flop It was a tragedy. It went like double
plastic. I spent most of my money, like all of I spent all
my money. And I didn't forget. But I didn't pay the IRS in
mind. I mean, I wasn't like, trying to avoid paying taxes. I
was just like, Oh, damn, they need the money. The IRS took off
with all that stuff. So I was like, broke, broke, broke. Being
famous and broke is a combination, because you still
famous and people recognize us, but they recognize you while you
sit next to them on the bus. And the stuff they asked you to sign
on a bus. Oh, can you saw my baby? That's a Sharpie. I
probably shouldn't write on the baby's with you too big to sign
my baby? Well, no, I mean,
you know? This is so telling. So you knew all this stuff, okay? I
didn't know this. I know Will Smith from then. We both
performed while he performed. I emceed at the launch of head
Sonic the Hedgehog the launch of the video game and hung out. You
know, kind of like backstage hanging out is nice, new, really
nice guy really thankful for where he was and everything. And
that was indeed around 86. And I think he had something to do. I
think he might have had something to do with that with
the soundtrack to the to the game or something. It doesn't
matter. But the fact that he went completely that he
completely blew all the money. Yeah, yeah, this is the pattern.
And is it the pattern to leverage an asset? Because it's
too far is far too common. happening that they get
celebrities? Well, it's a tax trouble. They make and leverage
you. Well.
Let me he said something else. That's important to understand.
Go ahead, because I've been a little bit in this trap. But so
being what he says being a celebrity and broke sucks, being
a celebrity and making, not celebrity money sucks. But that
was MTV for me, MTV. I'll tell you. I'm not complaining. I made
my first year $150,000 Working at MTV. The second year 175. I
never made more from MTV than that. Now. Other things I did. I
did. Okay. But that was the MTV money. So when you're Adam curry
leather jacket, big hair and MTV is flying you coach down to
spring break. You got to understand this weird. So what
what what this is what this is why silly because it goes back
to what we said earlier, there's certain things expected from
celebrities. It's a facade. It's a, it's, it's the magic of being
a celebrities that you fly. I'm someone offered for that. Now,
I'm luckily I'm no longer in mainstream. So I can be really
honest. And everybody knows, you know, I make my money from the
value for value. And that's sometimes good. Sometimes not.
But if we were flying to South Carolina, we had, you know, take
two planes to get there from from Texas. And someone kindly
sent me a note and said, hey, you know if, if you get stuck
in, you know, Atlanta, if you're going through Atlanta, I'm about
an hour away. And I you know, I could drive you the rest of the
way. But the sentence read if you're flying commercial. You
see people think that you know, Adam has private jet money.
Yeah, you don't? Yeah, you know, you hop off the PJ
Exactly. Chris style baby Chris.
Just didn't know that. You still are a high value man making
$100,000 a year. So we're saying even if you were MTV, so no
worries there. But they expect you to get all pop into Dawn
popping the champagne? Yeah. The $100 bills at the airport flight
attendant. Well, that's the thing,
but it's a trap. It's a trap. And when you're young and
impressionable and this and there's no you don't get a
manual like hey, you're on TV. You're famous. Here's here's
your ham guide. You don't get that you might have no I was
very lucky. My first wife. And she was very smart. But she she
would do two things. She would say you're not going out to
party because they're all losers and it only ends in tears. And I
think that she's right about that. But she would also say
you're going to pay the extra half to fly first class. You
can't fly coach Adam curry the celebrity. So I literally you
can't I literally would take money out of my own pocket to go
do work for MTV.
And you know what? And the reality world and reality TV
world we live in now. This is the peer pressure and this is
why everybody just check boxes this is why all the doctor says
a quick aside all the doctors that went along with the Cuf the
same thing I got a lifestyle to maintain you're saying wish you
would want me to take a stand? I don't think so.
Except my friend mo facts didn't do that.
Because you got to be able to live what you sell. Yeah, but
that's the thing like real estate agents is another one.
You can't pull up to the exact house trying to sell a car when
you're trying to sell a house in an instant and I 89 commit 98
Camry happy you gotta have a nice
I was wondering what car you'd come up with?
I mean Yeah, cuz you gotta have a certain you see it all the
time on the road and the realtor license plates and a little bit
of magnetic on the door it's because you had to look the call
and look the part yep you know you have to look the part and
this is why I said when he said that bread and butter thing yeah
I know what bread and butter mean podcasting is my bread and
butter right now auxilary things going on you're saying that you
know the same kind of food they're saying but when you say
that, that that stood out to me because I'm like oh yeah, this
is this is celebrity like you got it and you really got to go
harder while you're down Yeah, because you can't you can't give
me understand inkling of a fall off oh no you can't once you
fall off yep. And maybe now you just use Get me another
conspiracy analyze maybe this will be the excuse for the fall
off you know a they took they took anyone let me add no movies
he was saying and then you will be a heroic figure to bounce
back.
Ooh, well, that's that's another America loves a great comeback.
We do we love come back.
When we no doubt about it when we'll come back. Because he's
coming back. Oh, yeah. Now will he come back like the black
mamba and Kobe after you're saying after the rape charge and
get some tax? Maybe a face tat? You know? sanbi True. True. Will
Smith. You're saying like, you know, you know that. I can see
him playing the character he plays into DC comics like him
taking on that persona, you know, of the bad boy. Um, but
there's, there's gonna be a second, there's gonna be a
second act to this chill.
Oh, I'm with you on that. And we will and we'll be around for
too.
Well, it might be a third. Because I think where I'm going
with this is he had hit rock bottom right? Yeah. He has the
appeal, but doesn't have the money. So he's floating around
Hollywood. And they're like, oh, okay, you're down on your luck.
Ha. We can basically use you any way we want to we know how will
we know what we know. We will first act like big act and roll
was just outside of us. And first Prince. That was when he
played had to play that gay role. And I had people who were
saying look at him Sadat, because that was like a in six
degrees of separation. That was very, that was very, for the
time to play that role that was very
pushing the boundary polarizing, maybe?
Well, not even that it's shipped. I'll say that it
shifted the Overton Window, because even Dimmesdale, he got
into saying, like people like, I'm not sure about you in
Philadelphia, you know, with with the gay guy. Right, right.
So for a young black rapper, to play that role doubt shifted the
whole Overton window, and we've kind of been that figure to
shift the, you know, to open marriage to feral kids to, you
know, saying, like, he's been this guy to push these
boundaries. And I'm just wondering, is this the same
case? So, let's get back to the storytime of Will Smith. Part
two.
I was like, laying around. And my girlfriend was like,
do we not doing this? Like, you're not just gonna be laying
around this house all day. You go and go do something.
I was like, What? What am I supposed to do? Go where people
is, is doing it,
where people doing it.
Go to the Arsenio Hall Show.
Just go stand around at Arsenio Hall Show. Yes, that's stupid. I
wanted Arsenio Hall Show. And I met a dude named Benny Medina
and Benny Medina. Oh no real life Benny
Medina?
No, you will not know you will know him.
Oh my goodness. Benny Medina is one of the scammy his producers
ever in Hollywood.
I'm so happy to hear that.
Fannie Mae Deena I hear that name like Oh no, not Benny. You
don't know their story?
I do not I don't think so.
I I cherish the fact that I got I got one over on you in
Hollywood, you're the Hollywood guy. So no you know name so
please continue to clip and you can tell me your opinion. Medina
will quote unquote bumped into each other.
And I met a dude named Benny Medina and Benny Medina is the
real life Fresh Prince of Bel Air except he actually went from
the wives to Beverly Hills, same basic concept way shorter
distance now me Benny and he pitches me the idea for this
show. And I'm like, I'm not an actor. I'm like, Cool. And he
said, Hey, you know, I want you to meet Quincy Jones. Quincy
Jones is producing stuff by myself at Quincies. And his
actors and artists and celebrities and politicians like
everybody that cleanses out. It's like The Wiz without the
costume. So Benny walks me in and introduce me to Quincy, hey,
Q What's up, man? He's like, Hey, man, you know, I saw your
music videos. I love I love what you're doing. I love what you're
doing. Tell me rap name again. They call me The Fresh Prince.
Hi, good. That's what we're gonna call the show. And he
handed me a screenplay for a failed Maurice de pilot. Like I
don't have the time. So I need you to do this. I need you to
take few minutes, take 10 minutes, study the script. And
I'm gonna clear all this stuff out the living room, and we
don't have everybody sit down in the living room. We don't do an
audition.
Oh,
just having to bump into him.
I might have forgot I forgot all about Benny Medina. Yeah,
there's nothing but there's nothing but weird stories about
him.
It sounds like you correct me if Martin because I've never been
to Hollywood and I never planned to go to Hollyweird. Oh, but
it's not like the Arsenio Hall Show. People would just kind of
like floating around looking to be discovered or you know,
saying this is pre internet folks. You gotta remember that
incident for the younger listeners is no happiness, no
social media. So you got to get out there like his girlfriend
told him. You got to get to where the celebrities are. And
it seems like to me, the Arsenio Hall Show was just kind of like,
hey, come down, you might get home. The reason why I
remembered is it was a Martin episode where Tommy Davidson
played. People don't kill me for Lou levar LaVale LaVale Arsenio
Hall type of character, and it was like, just come on out. It
was saying and we'll get you on. Is that how these things work?
Well,
okay, so Benny Medina are, let's just say Arsenio Hall, Arsenio
Hall. This is only because I think that this is where you're
going. Arsenio Hall definitely has some gay rumors swirling
around him, which would fit in with Benny Medina, which would
fit in with Eddie Murphy, which would fit in a lot with a lot of
black men, who I believe are on the down low in Hollywood and
music because it's just unacceptable for the for the
quote unquote community.
Was,
was, was was a was I'm sorry, it was
Will Smith shifted that Overton window? Because he was writing a
lot of weird stuff. And everybody was kind of looking
the other way about like, oh, let's just we'll be and we'll,
let's use what you know, just just to putting it out there. So
and this has incredible state or had incredible stigma amongst
black black male Americans. No.
Yeah. That's it. Nobody, everybody, nobody, nobody really
talks about that movie six degrees of separation. But our
That was a weird movie. And that was another weird movie. Even
people talked about last was called Made in America. And it
was about with Goldberg. She played a black woman that was
impregnated by Ted Danson through artificial insemination.
And she had a test tube baby right and we will smith helped
her daughter find out who her real dad was. It was like I say
a lot of foreshadow. It means earlier movies. And we'll was
dead center of it. So how do you just show up my Yeah, that's
what we're gonna call the show. You're gonna have a 10 minute
audition and we'll give you a show on NBC.
And only took him five minutes to audition. Hey, now,
rise, show storytime. 3pm movers
that could reset his furniture. I was like, this dude is real.
To go. Buy. Come on. Come on. Come on. I was at HQ. Hold up,
man. Hold up. I'm not ready to do no audition. He's a Oh, hi.
All right. What would you need? Tell me what you need. Just set
the meeting for a week and I could do it. He said, Yeah. You
know, Brandon Tartikoff. The head of NBC is out there. I'll
get him scheduled for next week. And then you know what's gonna
happen? Something's gonna come up. And and he's wanting to
reschedule? Oh, yeah. So three, so three weeks from now can we
can do it three weeks from now. So yeah, three weeks from now be
good. Or you could take 10 minutes right now. And you can
change your life forever. Yes, give me 10 minutes. I say yes.
And I let it rip and I got to the end and everybody's clapping
because he looks at Brandon Tartikoff the head of NBC. Did
you like it? And Brandon said, yeah, yeah, like, because he
says, No. Did you like it? When you say yeah, like, he's like,
good. You're his lawyer brought me up something right now.
What's the order and other people lawyers around his
lawyer? Because he turned to me and he was like, hey, well, you
got a lawyer to play. See, I'm broke. If I had a lawyer taking
5% He owed me money right now. I anytime she was assistant, he
was like, get with a lawyer.
Quincy had been drinking.
I go down, huh?
Well, I've sat with Quincy for an hour.
already told you the story.
You said you had interaction with him, but you never went
into details? Oh, I was curious about what will come? Well, I
know you're gonna realize.
No, no. I'd actually I'd love to talk to Quincy again. Because he
has hearing aids. I think he has the same kind of mind. I just
want to know about his settings. You know, I'd like to share
because he didn't I see him in the studio, listening to a track
with a hearing aid and just wondering how he how he gets
anyway. Years ago, I was doing a Sunday night live coast to coast
radio show called headline USA and we'd have a guest on and the
whole hour in this case was Quincy he was in studio. It was
a it was a cool ass. Studio, big room, just the two of us at a
small table, two mics to headphones, very dim lighting.
And he came in and he had a bottle of Latour show total.
That is 1500 bucks a bottle is what that is. And he said Let's
drink. Let's have a good time. And so I later now I had a great
time. And I remember starting off by saying Quincy Mr. Jones,
we said call me Q view have produced everyone from Lena
Horne, to Fresh Prince to Fresh Prince of Bel Air to the TV
show. And that ends of that conference. But we got so drunk
on this. This wine is really some awesome stuff. And later, I
heard that Quincy had a drinking problem. I felt kind of bad that
I had kind of enabled him. And it just did put it in a little
bit of different light. So when I hear Will Smith at the end say
Quincy had been drinking. I think he had a serious drinking
problem. Like like real serious
right now he's still whatever you doing now,
he didn't do 22 girlfriends.
Yeah, exactly. So to do anything that's that's just a little bit
of extra info. But now I think he's I think he's he's a non
drinking alcoholic now I think I think he's out as as as being on
the wagon,
though. But the funny thing is the way this plays out is the
Hollyweird one on one textbook of how these Hollywood parties
go
completely the way it is and for him to be yelling in the music
meetings with Brandon tartan car Tartikoff was NBC Universal
exactly but the end he's dead now I think but the the music
business so we're Quincy came from very I mean, that's exactly
it. It's the first thing is a lawyer deal. But it's always
lawyers do that. Once you've got someone right away, they and
they draft the contracts in the meeting. No one gets to think
about it for a second. You stay in this room. We'll draft
something. we'll finalize later. Don't worry, everything will be
fine. Which of course never is. Quincy Jones
Suge Knight type of stuff.
Right. That's the business. That's the business. That's the
business. So I
think we started three or four now. Yep. All right for
Quincy, I've been drinking. You're not it's probably obvious
from your story. But you have been tasting wet his beak a
little bit that night. So the lawyers go out in the limo, and
they're drawing up the first deal for the Fresh Prince of Bel
Air. Quincy is like popping up at the window no brows
is doing. No gratis is doing right now did he make thriller
like this?
So we got the lawyers draw up something. Ken hertz looked it
over for me, Brandon Tartikoff. And we took a picture and we
signed the basic deal for the Fresh Prince and Three months
later, we were shooting the pilot. And that's the story of
how I became the Prince of Bel Air. So the moral of the story
is always say yes. And I guess, listen to your girlfriend.
And always have your own lawyer who you trust.
Always say yes and always to your girlfriend. Hmm. Okay.
That's the moral of the story.
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Speaking of which, now we got Quincy Jones have Quincy Jones
side of the story. Oh, how Fresh Prince became the Prince of Bel
Air.
I had this this multimedia company had just started by
magazine, which was Steve, I said that it was getting heat
for synergy and so forth, and to help him to see what the other
things how we can mix things up. And so I've got a good idea for
magazines, I don't know much about magazines. Quincy Jones,
hip hop magazine with Time Warner. So What a ridiculous
idea. And in five paragraphs, you turn it around, of let's get
started tomorrow on it, and it worked and it's became the hip
hop back and seen you know, that's Benny Medina from Wiley.
With that time, he was the head of black music at Warner
Brothers. And he kept telling me about this story that have
occurred with an old friend of mine that when I was living in
Paris, that was the genesis of it met I did we like to know.
And so at six o'clock we were doing still having a meeting
with Warren Littlefield and Brandon Tartikoff. And Ben it
was out melodrama. So he called Betty and to just explain to
explain his life's was really his life story, you know. And so
in eight minutes, we made the pitch and 11 o'clock, Warren
Littlefield called me up and said, We like this. We showed
him we'll know. And I'll have a video. And they call it 11
o'clock and says we buzz. Tomorrow. You'd have to speak to
700 sponsors to tell him that your father seven kids and that
will build rapport is not dangerous like will Michael
Mazur Wilson was being dangerous but they know it's the first
time I wrap it up with him this is they hadn't had done movies
or anything then and then really believed that they would rap was
gonna happen and I remember Michael Jackson telling me that
it's rap is dead, you know?
That's what I'm talking about that was that safe. I remember
like I said, it's, it's so pivotal that show and that was
the making of fresh prints. The same with Martin. That was those
two they invaded television around the same time with a new
it wasn't the Cosby Show, it was something different. It was even
take black out of it just like rap as a sub genre, seeing hip
hop star have us major television show. That was a very
that was a big you knew where you were gonna be at Monday,
eight o'clock. Because Tuesday when you got to school, you
know, you want to do the show. He was saying like, all the
handshake, everything everything was gonna be talking about. I
think that's kind of hard for other people to understand. Now
that was living on demand. Experience, you know, when you
everybody was the same time it was
must see TV, that was exactly what it was. You had.
You had to see it. And it was a good show. It wasn't just saying
good morals to it at the same time, um, but it was the, that
was like the Boulais. Showing how the Boulay we recruit family
members, and this is a real thing. Whereas I owe young,
talented, bright person, maybe from a heart upbringing, let's
bring him in my dad offerings and is to like, no saint family
members and I and our family. You know, like, come live with
us get on your feet, you know, come to the city. It wasn't on a
scale like money wise, but you live in in a place with not many
opportunities. We're living here somewhere where opportunities
come live with us. I've had so many cousins and uncles and
aunts and whatever else share a room. Because that's what you
did that that was high. It was different from the coffee's that
was you know, cover that spectrum of economics. And
that's why I was magical now. Quincy Jones mentioned something
about divine magazine, divine magazine had Quincy Jones
brought so much to the table, thriller and everything else but
the bomb magazine may be one of his biggest but least talked
about accomplishment. I think it was
I think it was actually around the launch of vibe that that was
the context of my interview with him. I'm just thinking now
it makes sense because so many pivotal events. Brock Obama's
big first cover was the vibe. Yeah. brought him to us. And it
really started the East Coast. West Coast beef. Yeah. Between
Tupac and Biggie from the VA. I mean, that was that what it made
it really public and I have trash here. Mama's cubby a
baby's ears because treasures and two pots ran from not my
nature. He's saying he's loose with the words so just be be
warned. But this is trash on the vibe calls in the East Coast.
West Coast beef.
We got that motherfucking Vibe magazine right? Where you see
big and puff on the cover. East versus West. When I saw that
fucking cover I said man What the fuck is going on? Gangsters
don't read the articles. He was on the East Coast like yo is on
waits on the West Coast. Nick has come out here. West Coast
like always on wait till the East Coast Nick has come out
here. So a baited up a whole shit. That fucking went down.
That had just so many cycles of all Biggie falling was riders,
all part riders motherfuckers that didn't even know neither
one of them. Gangster as motherfuckers it could have
really turned into a more fucking East Coast West Coast
war.
Oh, I didn't know this. I didn't know that. That Vibe magazine
was the genesis of this. Oh,
yes. Oh, yes. That article. That was I mean, it was nd went in
the window. There were songs there was ash, who shot you by
biggie? You're saying but this was really when it was made
public of the beef. You know, saying it was very a lot of
subliminals. So the vial had a big role to do with that. And at
the same time, people gotta remember that's when the me and
Man March was going on. When Black men was trying to take
control of their identities. There was
As there was let's make the black man look bad. Exactly.
You're gonna wait are you is this show going to end with me
not liking Quincy Jones
abre show is gonna
choose your own adventure
quiz quick. Get into quick the second part about the first
sprint.
We'll see what happens we'll was we were doing back on the block.
I have the whole group up there we had four rappers who have
iced tea and all the guys and the Gospel Choir Tevin Campbell,
everybody. We've done Arsenio Hall Show of glory out of
delimiting that came by to see the show. And I think we'll ask
him, that the directions or something, how to get to the
farm, took his numbers have been in the process in order to get
ambiences and working with borrowers. The family was
changed to bougie black family, which made it much stronger. Got
the great, great, great casts right away. Right away. It just,
it's stuck. Like, you don't want to see the writers. And we want
to hear in 10 weeks after the pitch. 10 weeks, no time for
paralysis analysis. Nobody time but notes and all that junk.
Just did it. I did a couple of did a cameo on restaurants with
Little Richard Richard Penniman were both the same age. Well, it
was the impact I think was the combination of you know, the
both sides of the economic strata, you know, black
community, you know, which is glaring. And I mean that that
gives you a premise for every every episode, when you got one
from Philadelphia, they've got thrown out of the out of the
house, it was too much trouble to come out here with his
bourgeois family. And every move he makes, you know, is the scene
for entertainment.
And for conflict.
Yes, that's right. Conflict is great cue. Funny conflict is
funny.
Yeah. And just be honest, in the brochure, a lot of a lot of
interesting topics. As far as I'm, like, one of the pivotal
scenes show Will Smith acting abilities, went about the
deadbeat father, that was one that is actually in the
collective conscious of when he was like, Why do you don't want
me Uncle Phil, and then he cried. So it was the good, the
bad, but I gotta say, like, Quincy Jones, he's at the center
a lot of stuff and doing his research and his Will Smith
show. And what I knew about his previous past, it's like, you
know, to pot, you know, Will Smith.
A, you know, Jada was going
well, that's too, that's too many coincidence,
and involved in production of the award show.
And like I said, so let's go ahead and get into 37. You've
been nothing but
net kitty three, I know you've had you had a very important
relationship with Tupac. Why do you think you know, there's a
lot of people that didn't understand the genius that he
was and thought of him as dumb in a lot of ways or maybe
ignorant, a little too violent? Why do you think that that's the
case, I would
say that Tupac was probably the smartest artists that I met in
terms of the full range in terms of politics, you know, personal
relationships, and, you know, scholastically, whatever you're
just reading. But I also feel like to some degree, he dumbed
down to sort of let his audience know, in some ways that he was
relatable. And not to say that his audience was dumb, but he
was putting on a facade to relate to them in a better way,
you know what I mean, with the whole Death Row persona and all
that. And then he was probably three to four months away from
turning all that around. And it's sort of what Karis did with
his first album, he had those he's on the cover, and then the
very next album, he became the teacher. So puck was about to do
that turn around and say, Okay, now that I've got the
demographic that needs the help the most, I'm gonna turn around
and teach them certain things. Yeah. And I think that
unfortunately, it was just cut short, but he he had so much in
the pipeline that people don't know. But I mean, he was so well
read, he would read each book two, three times in a row and
ask a bunch of people questions about the book. So he really
learned it, you know, so I think he was ready to unleash a lot of
that in his political thoughts and power and all that kind of
stuff. And just unfortunately, got cut short, you know, and,
you know, to some degree, fame is also a drug. So maybe he got
caught up in that a little bit, but I think he was probably
literally four to five months away from the turnaround
becoming a man and becoming In the leader that he was in, he
was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the
next leader.
Yeah, we can't have that. So now that doesn't sound like
something when he can't have a can't have Tupac changing his
tune, become a thought leader.
And it seems like Quincy had his stones on both spectrums of hip
hop, where we will smith at one extreme and then to pocket the
other extreme. And they both were under his thumb in a way.
Yeah, he already had a good wholesome guy.
He didn't need another one.
Right? So you gotta have this other you're saying like you
say, it's you controlling both ends, both polar opposites.
Just one other thing I'd like to say about Fresh Prince of Bel
Air, because you gave us your perspective. Now, you knew where
you were Monday night, eight o'clock. So did I. But we were
there for different reasons. We didn't we didn't view fresh
prints the way you did. To us it was and of course, this was made
for white audiences. Yes, it was, you know, it was for all
audiences. But this is NBC, Brandon Tartikoff. I mean, it
was a huge hit. You're not a huge hit, unless you bring in
wide audiences just like hip hop, basically. At least when
it's charging and on the radio. And I think for wide audiences
for me of just trying to think back and remember I was like
wow, you know, that's really good to see that there's very
successful black people.
Right, what it did was it was the safe space between a mark in
in a Bill Cosby Cosby Show because you had the rich family
i The Cosby's, but then you had the hip hop vibe of a mark. So
it was it was the perfect it was safe. Yeah, it was it was a safe
spot. And we'll we'll get up to shenanigans but he wasn't
well, not not just safe. But what would Quincy sees and what
Quincy says very accurately is you have this conflict, and that
conflict is where ratings live. I think you know, I don't know
if we're going to find out how political and Boulay Quincy is
in this regard. But from a ratings perspective, a
television productions perspective is the dream is the
dream. Every producer would see that as a dream.
Yeah, is the dream and like I say in any shape of my mind as
as a young person watching the show. So let's go ahead and get
in
so it can help me ask how did it shape your what what what was
your takeaway from as a young young person watching the show?
Will was
cool, man, he was good was still cool. You had you had these
people like it was like a predecessor like Kanye. It was.
You had Dwayne Wade and with Dwayne Wayne over it on
different we're also proud of yeah, these people you could
identify with. But we it was cool, because yeah, like I said
he had the Jordans on and the back. And you know, if he would
have searched Queen Latif and was on the stars, the cameos was
the real thing. You got Donald Trump. Chris Rock.
Yeah, yeah, no, Kami? Yeah.
Kevin Kambou Yeah. Which that's a whole nother story for
Oh, man.
But you had all these things and then you had like I said, you
had Carlton, which was so corny. It may will look cool.
And what a sad story, Carlton, just he never got out of that
role.
That's the thing you wish you're getting stuck there. Yeah. What
the question is, do you would you rather have that type of
fame or no fame at all? I can't answer that question. I'm not
into fame. But as an actor, I mean, he has his own dance. For
crying out loud. So
I work with him on circus of the stars and man he was just
entertaining everybody backstage he was singing dancing tap and
but just everything that st like and that was just backstage.
That was just for people on the show. You know, he was just kind
of that guy like always full of energy not acting. When you saw
on fresh prints, that's him.
That's that weird spot to get put in because that's that Wayne
Brady lane is like you sad to say but you can't smell like
that. You can't laugh like that is because people will think
like you're a pushover and not. That's what led will to be 10
thinking that way. And it's like, oh, you're gonna respect
me today, you know, same kind of thing as far as, you know, the
way he tried to change his image, and that's why I think
that you're gonna keep my wife name out your mouth. That was
that was. That was like y'all playing with me? Yes. No, no
play with me. So, okay, so I think we started 3738 38 Now
just go and get 30 Okay, this is Quincy Jones on Tupac.
And he was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to
be the next leader. Yeah, so he was ready for it. And he knew
where do you think he lost his way on that? Or do you think he
lost his way of
connecting with the culture? I think he knows his sister and my
daughter he died in her arms and Las Vegas. She was engaged Sam.
And he's the writer letters like Lord Byron, reading a one point
affairs and the fact that recited unrolls that came from
concrete. Starry Eyes, Bob above Vincent van Gogh, but Jada
Pinkett was the first girlfriend of multiple AAA students, you
know, but it's not hip to be this not him to be smart. And
that's got picked off. Because it's a joke.
I didn't know that. Tupac died in his daughter's arms. What are
the chances?
He had control of both poles of hip hop. Gees,
the safest and the most radical and it gets worse. We get more
interesting but yeah, yeah. But I want to now we got to get
in Wait a minute he had. Also Jada Pinkett Smith was his first
girlfriend is that what he said? No, that was two parts first
girls what I said to pucks first girlfriend? Yes. Yes. Holy crap.
Then this is the real issue with Will Smith. It's not about Chris
bra. It's not even my August our samen keys bet chasing a ghost?
Yeah, and he's woman's heart. Everybody knows is like oh, he
she picked you because he died. Oh. And it makes for a hell of a
control mechanism. Sure. So now we gotta go to different world a
Bill Cosby production which feature to pop. Now while we're
Bill Cosby feel safe enough now we heard how much scrutiny We
Will Smith had to go through to get to get Fresh Prince of Bel
Air with Bill Cosby Mr. poundcake pull it be pants
allows Jada Pinkett Smith to costar with Tupac or his
production different world and this is going to be example I
think this was a reflection of what she was going through but
also how can I put it ah showed Will Smith is being played by a
guy named Doreen in this episode. And it's gonna show her
struggle between wanting to be with the thrill to pot or with
the safeguard during aka Will Smith.
leanly Gleadless a potty cool oh okay, now I know what you're
trying to do okay, that's not necessarily what you're trying
to say lately you want to dance with somebody
else baby love Brad's out of male ego convinced picking on
that now right?
Seriously though Lena use my first love and I can't get five
minutes alone
with you one day I so miss you. Notice or mom we have our first
dance together. Remember the heartbeat?
Yes, let's not go there right.
Now a lot has changed since the last time we saw each other and
not the same brother. same to me. Well, I'm really getting it
again. And we live the street life family hitting on took you
this long to realize that Rico got smoked.
I heard about it and I wanted to call but
so wish you wouldn't be the only person I could have talked to.
Once you call me pick up on stuff give that rough you can
always call me.
That's why I'm here and then give me a job. Look me up a
career. When you do it this Khalistan we can really have a
go and
see now. This is exactly what I was afraid of. You're not gonna
come down here, jump in my life and act like everything's okay.
I got an agenda. And despite what you might think I'm glad a
man got to do with me nice laughter
I know you're just passing it's on with the quiet boy. Like I
was if the boy
you weren't all that
Oh, so now you are that now to to bougie squares.
What you want quiet boy? Lincoln told me you ain't doing the
right thing is standing with your mouth open. Let your woman
handle your business
so okay, and that was Jada Pinkett Smith was the girl.
Yes. This is what her real life boyfriends
This is life imitates art man. Yeah. So Bill Cosby was getting
in on that. On that cue action.
They ran NBC and seemed like it's with some clout
Oh, Bill Cosby was incredibly powerful at NBC.
Yes, we're saying and then you got Q bringing in fresh prints
which is this old powerhouse
power struggle I don't know No, no, no, no no I'm telling you
right now power struggle between q and Bill seriously Oh
definitely. And now I'm thinking que might have something to do
with Bill going to jail.
He was quoted as saying I'll tell you what me and Bill used
to do you know saying I would end up being you know, like
basically in trouble. So I think Allah when students open up and
I remember these guys are these guys are Boulais
and that would explain why he led POC on his show. Because he
had a script by make it rough up the image of different world and
it's gonna change by a different world had a different tone to it
was more about his daughter Denise going to college. But it
did this pivot of like, kind of recruiting all young black
people of different lifestyles into college. And this is proven
college admissions to it doubled at the different world. So that
is by me imitating art but let's go ahead and get to the second
part of this clip. Because you're going to hear I think
what jailers struggle with because cue says she was a
straight A student, but they were from Baltimore, her and
pop. So I think this is by what she was struggling with an image
and I think this may lend to her. No being more radical
compared to will and hopping on the Oscars so white bandwagon.
Lena Why are you looking like that girl? You had to find men
fight over union you
better smile. But it's something about that piccolo I can't put
my finger on
these doggish scandalous pinfish gangsters and hooligan nests.
But he's so fun. First of all, y'all need to stop talking about
people that you don't even know
what the hell are you looking at? That's all you got from his
mouth Almighty
it's not my man anymore. Okay. And to well,
don't you mean be
What did she say there? I didn't catch it.
She said one and then she she's in a
coma was not my man anymore. Okay. And to
me, don't you mean be
and to Charmaine and Gina Ray, he acted like he always acts
when he doesn't get what he wants. And that's like a Joe
hood.
I can't believe this. First you leave us you leave the crew to
come to college to educate yourself, knock you with that.
It's cool. But then you start running around with these people
like choirboy and these two fake females taking this on hold it
now first of all,
I'm not on anybody's side. Okay. Let's move on to your mug girl.
Okay, understand and I'm here just trying to get an education
right I'd rather be here than on the corner doing absolutely
nothing ended up with a city job so it's like that.
I guess so.
When the Lena James that I know comes back well Don't you tell
her to call me? Ma nothing wrong with a city job. Hmm.
So that I think that's why Jada Pinkett was struggling. You're
saying I'm choosing between Tupac. And we'll because it was
bigger than just mean. It was identity is like, you know,
where are you going to be? bougie or bougie This is another
word for
the Boulais to do you think do you think that somewhere in
wills programming? He has to actually show he's a bad boy to
be quote unquote real?
Yeah, that's a struggle.
I mean it but he always failed at it. It said in the previous
clips because he wasn't never quite black enough for black
people. It wasn't quite wide enough or safe enough for white
people. Maybe he was good enough. Yeah, thuggish enough.
Yeah.
Man, this is so deep.
No, you I think this is that the burgeoning of gangsta rap and
hip hop and becoming a huge commodity? And early to mid 90s.
So I mean, are you gonna be jiggy with it? Are you gonna be?
He was gonna be Yeah.
So um, alright, so this is we're talking about how jealousy was a
two pot.
Were you ever jealous of the love Jada had for Tupac? Oh,
fuck, yeah. No, God Damn, dude. And you know, and that was in.
That was in the early days. Yeah. I was in the early days.
And it was like that that was a big regret for me too. Because I
could never. I could never open up to interact with with pot.
You know, we had a little bit of Yang, right? Because, you know,
you know, they grew up together. And you know, they loved each
other. But they never had that, you know, they never had a
sexual relationship with dad come into
what question you say? First boyfriend. I'm just damned.
Okay, we'll continue. I just want to clarify matters do each
other, but they never had that, you know, they never had a
sexual relationship. But they had come into that age where now
that was a possibility. And then Jada was with me, you know? So,
you know, pocket a little thing on that. But she just loved him.
Like he was the image of perfection. But she was with the
Fresh Prince, you know, so it was
an image of perfectionist. I never could with this interview
with this Breakfast Club. Yes. And this is from when
this was from, I want to say 2016 17 Somewhere around there.
But but he just says something really critical here.
She just loved him like he was the image of perfection.
So to Tupac was the image of perfection that's will speaking
not Jada. That's Wilson that is that.
She just loved him. Like he was the image of perfection. But she
was with the Fresh Prince. You know, so it was like, I just I
never could like even we were in a room together a couple of
times. I couldn't speak to him, you know? And you know, he
wasn't gonna speak to me if I wasn't gonna speak to him. I
would have so much in common. No, that's how Jada was saying
all the time. She's like, I'm telling you Y'all are so
similar. You will you love them. And I just never stopped you
know.
Red flag. Fellas. If y'all want me to say another man, you have
so much in common it was in her past.
That's a huge red flag. Like
just put it out there. Clip
This is dropkicks with a red dash alpha message and too far.
That's right.
No, that's what Jada was saying all the time. She was like, I'm
telling you Y'all are so similar. You will you love them.
And I just never, you know, that was a huge regret of mine. I
just didn't. I couldn't I couldn't handle it. You know, I
was just, I was the soft rapper from Philly and he was popped
right? This song about you and nothing. Exactly, exactly. But
ya know, I was deeply, deeply insecure. And just I wasn't mad
enough to handle that relationship.
Oh, okay, now didn't. Chris Rock and Jada Pinkett Smith also have
some stuff together?
I don't think so.
I thought there was some rumors about him when they were working
together somewhere from way back
no no more Anthony was in with me. I don't think Chris Rock but
I think it was more of Chris Rock was the sacrificial lamb to
let all frustrations It was like he was gonna smack you let
everybody else know stop playing with me and my name kind of
thing. He
embodied every everything that will couldn't be because he was
the soft good rapper.
Right so let me pick Go on the weaker guy than me
Chris was who was smaller than him to significantly Yeah.
Very glad Kristen had that bookbag without breaking it.
It's almost like but now let's go back to Quincy Jones and
listen to what really happened to Tupac
know Tupac.
That's a no is my daughter's fiance. He was gonna get
married. In fact, he died in her arms and lung stapled up. She
almost got killed on that too because she and Tupac when the
car she was supposed to be sitting next to park. This was
in Las Vegas, Las Vegas show and thank God Tupac. I called her up
and said I just hit a crypt and also I'll pick you up later. And
a car came by his car convertible with girls in it to
tempt him out of out of the car. And they pulled off and a guy
with a bow tie and machine gun took him out. That would have
been my daughter, you know, her car was behind and with the
security and he died in her arms. And she went through in
within a year and a half's time she lost Tupac she produced an
event for my record company request records and Vibe
magazine four minutes after that biggest mall got shot he was
that that thing he got killed by the Crips and Alia Alia was just
to stay live in our home you know we took it to Fiji stayed
at Tony Robbins house and everything and later she got
died that killed on that airplane accident it was
overloaded you know
wow man
you too much coincidence for me Q incidence write it down
I just can't solve that problem. God gave that one to me what
honestly,
I don't know I mean let me break it down for people that didn't
catch all that your daughter was supposed to be in the car to pop
but she doesn't and he gets killed then y'all planning the
party there Biggie goes to he goes out four minutes later he
shot and killed and then
you're hanging out in an Anthony Robbins with Alia
Alia he fluidly it down yeah magazine event now stayed at
Tony Robbins house and they're playing get overweight it and
crashes and crashes let me explain how this in my
conspiracy analysts might hi this is Quincy Jones the clean
up man. I got to ask. He removed Tupac out of wheels way he
removes Biggie out of Jay Z's way and he removes a layer out
of Beyonce his way
Oh, that was the one I was missing. Oh oh yeah,
if it goes nowhere, Beyonce is not Beyonce.
Q is the original drill rap guy.
He's the
real life Suge Knight and don't Don't get it twisted he is a
World Economic Forum member frequent Davos yep so don't
don't think he don't get busy we know how Davos get now it was
and like made a real gangsters.
Yes. I'm this is very this is actually upsetting to me.
I'm sorry. No, no, I'm
not no. But it's I have I put q on such a pedestal for his work.
Although vive magazine always bothered me that that always
bugged me I can't I don't I'd have to think about it since you
just brought it up in the show but I have to go back and
meditate for a bit and think about what are the things that
bother me because I was there I remember this whole launch
it's very polished. Right It was a very it was wasn't the source
grimy like the source so
Aleta was dating Jay Z.
Yes. Oh man.
Which they tried to say it was Dame dash but I think she was
dating both of them borrowing saying is for celebrity wise.
Beyonce picked up the energy that Leah had right right. Jay Z
picked out the energy that Biggie hair and Will Smith will
clear the way but this is my conspiracy analysts mind. Like
I'm not saying anything. I'm just telling you what pops in my
head when I hear this clip and he runs it down like that. But
yeah, I'm at the center all this and the thing about Quincy is he
loves to talk your jobs all you're saying he drops it all
you don't care.
So okay. So no, no, no, keep going. I'm just I'm processing.
So if you don't think he ain't he ain't gangster. 43
When Tupac started dating your daughter, there was a sit down
you had with him there was
a he wrote something in source magazines and stuff about this
very racist, very nasty and my daughter from her I've heard
rusty that took him out. And she's speaking Harvard. He's at
the end. But all my kids, I put the street in him, I made sure
he had the street. You have to have the street, man. I don't
care where you go Yale, Harvard, Georgetown, whatever. Street is
important. And I was born in the streets of Chicago in the 30s.
And in Chicago, with mafia everyday, dead bodies everyday
tommy guns, stole these piles of money in back rooms, like,
amazing. I want to be gangster till I was 11. I did just you
know, you want to be what you see.
You want to be what you have for golf course. Rashida, of course
forgot all about Rashida.
Yeah, and I have a story here that says he was a member of the
Jones boys, which was the black gangsters in Chicago. And I find
an interest the Jones boys.
Of what Jones's right Yeah, his own gang. They're nice
masking. They don't say it specifically, but gonna be
Quincy Jones in the Jones boy was he's the top Jones of the
Joneses. Ah, well, very interesting. Let me
say this, about that. From the music business in the 80s in the
90s, which is my period everybody was a gangster. This
and I'm not talking about you know, gangster rap. I'm talking
about gangsters. These the music business is filled with
gangsters. And, and I'm just using that term generally, but
you know, Benny Medina fits in there. Tommy Mottola fits in
there.
Mo ta had a guy around it. That was it was a white Italian guy
that will go and get the radio deals done.
Oh now, the whole the whole payola all that stuff. It was
it's always been a gaffe to gangster business. That's That's
why you know, because it was not the new one. But but you know
when you think about Quincy Jones his background Yeah, I
mean, you grew up that way you've got certain values that
are embedded in your mind and may be eliminating someone is is
quite normal in his ear and you do not survive all those years
without two things. incredible success and incredible power and
the two are not necessarily always tied together.
And Quincy Jones has been the gingerbread man throughout at
all he's he's almost made it I gotta give him his credit he's
almost made it unscathed. You know
until more facts are that of curry came along and expose him
quick cue listen I don't want no smoke when occlude leave me,
okay.
And we're happy to talk to him if you'd like to expand no
problem. Yeah, why not? Why not me this time que no problem.
So I know people may say this is a stretch where you talk about
mo Quincy Jones take him out to pot for
we'll party for
you to prove yourself over and over and he can never be to
park. Well, Kevin, you over exaggerate in this two part
thing. Did did Tupac. I know you are alive someplace. I think my
mommy really misses you. Can you please come back? Can you come
back so me and my mommy can be happy. I wish you were here. I
really do. Willow Whoa, what? Willow to kill them. What 9596
Willow never met to park. Why is this little girl writing a
letter to Tupac? Why is Will Smith's daughter writing a
letter to Tupac?
Does the timeline fit here Mo was that is Willow. Tupac?
Jada is talking to her daughter about how to pop man her horse.
Of course. That's enough to keel over my book. As a father, I'm
just saying,
Oh my God. We know. All right. All right. So the things I've
learned from this episode, one. Always be prepared when when Moe
does a show. Alcohol might be necessary when your heroes are
destroyed at the end. To Will Smith is a man who needs help
from men as fast as possible. I don't know if I don't know if it
can be done. Key needs deprogramming. He needs help. He
needs someone to open his eyes and to show him what's going on.
Three
Holy crap this is almost as bad as just how bad I mean this is
ultimate abuse and and and Quincy Jones has been a part of
this throughout the ages Yeah. Using the Sanur did have the
center of it
he said he was a gangster I'm just telling you and he's made
made no bones about it. Pun intended. About being a
gangster, Houston every interview it always goes back to
gangster gangster Chicago being a gangster.
So the so the slap heard around the world was probably nothing
more than, you know, decades, decades of Will Smith being
suppressing feelings, thoughts, issues, psychological stuff, and
he just
and just snapped
or he could be handled to snap me out to be made snap. Well,
you know, I can only imagine seeing some of those videos
which he didn't play the clips from. But I'm sure there's a lot
more verbal stuff that Jada was was throwing out there. And at
that moment, I couldn't even I can't even see where Will Smith
is so blinded with rage over previous issues surrounding his
relationship with with Jada, that, you know, Chris Rock might
have. He's black enough to look like Tupac black. You know what
I'm saying? I mean, seriously, it don't you think that you just
like you go blind with rage and you just see a black man and
it's like,
that's the laughter
the laugh laughter that did it.
Yeah.
Laughter for me. It was a that's enough. No, you're
right. No, no, it was double laughter The laughter about the
joke. Then when he slapped him. There was laughter
but what I got to do to get some respect.
And that's when he threw out the keep my wife's name. Ouch. EPEN
mouth.
That's an excellent point. Adam. That's an excellent point. The
laughter laughter the double
laugh holy mo Okay. Well, thanks, MO. This is this is. Now
I have something to talk to the kids about. You want to know
what's up? Come up on grandpa's knee. limitary. Back to podcast.
Let me tell you about Will Smith. Let me tell you what's
really going
on. Too many coincidences for me Q incidences, indeed, Q
incidences? Well, thank
you. Thank you so much for this that that this is I've been
waiting for this one. I had no idea it was going. And I'm even
more baffled at the end. But have clarity. And I love talking
with you about this particular topic. This was a lot of fun for
me.
It was a lot of fun for me too, because you filled in a lot of
gaps with your Hollywood experience. And with that said,
as I always say, pay attention to everything. And the truth
reveal itself
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