1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,580 We have only 35 chambers. There is no 36. 2 00:00:06,450 --> 00:00:10,680 I know that. But I want to create a new chamber. 3 00:00:11,969 --> 00:00:14,879 And what would that be? More facts with Adam curry for 4 00:00:14,879 --> 00:00:20,579 October 27 2021. This is episode number 69. I'm Adam curry coming 5 00:00:20,579 --> 00:00:23,669 to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country and it's time once 6 00:00:23,669 --> 00:00:28,409 again to get ready to spin the Wheel of topics with here from 7 00:00:28,469 --> 00:00:31,169 Northern Virginia. Please everybody say hello to my friend 8 00:00:31,169 --> 00:00:33,269 on the other end Mr. Moe facts. 9 00:00:33,929 --> 00:00:34,589 I know Adam, 10 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:39,420 I am good mo Good to hear from you. I'm a dog owner. 11 00:00:41,130 --> 00:00:41,730 I saw 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,710 and thank you for posting that picture of Rocco. Holy crap. 13 00:00:46,740 --> 00:00:48,000 What a beautiful dog. 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,760 I appreciate that Rocco is a superstar. 15 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:55,920 Oh my goodness. Yes. He goes like everybody. Yeah, 16 00:00:55,950 --> 00:00:57,120 everybody is 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,670 what we, when we were when we were young. We used to call that 18 00:00:59,670 --> 00:01:00,600 a chick magnet. 19 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:06,960 Yes. Well, I mean, like he's, he's a he's a people magnet. Um, 20 00:01:07,770 --> 00:01:11,520 everywhere we go is like people have Rocco doing like, Oh, I'm 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,640 doing fine. Thanks. Bye. Asking about my dog. 22 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:18,870 Yeah, exactly. Yes. Right. This were the first thing your wife 23 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:21,240 does when she comes home and says hi to the dog. You're 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,160 second now. It's it's very, very interesting how that works. All 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,220 right. Should we give it a whirl? Please. All right, 26 00:01:29,220 --> 00:01:31,740 everybody time to spin it up here is that we'll have topics 27 00:01:31,740 --> 00:01:34,140 where it stops. Nobody knows the only person who actually knows 28 00:01:34,140 --> 00:01:38,700 his MO because he put another banger together for us the topic 29 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:43,170 of episode number 69 of Mo facts with Adam curry is 30 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:44,970 operation infection. 31 00:01:46,409 --> 00:01:49,139 Oh, are we going to the third rail Mr. Moe? 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,750 We are not going to talk about COVID. Okay, it's not a COVID 33 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:58,320 show. Okay, attention. This is not a COVID show. 34 00:01:58,650 --> 00:02:02,280 I'm making it very clear. This is not a COVID show we got what 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,500 this is, is We've danced around the 800 pound gorilla in the 36 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:13,440 room. We've talked about Tuskegee, not in detail. But we 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,490 talked about it. We've talked about even Henrietta Lacks, 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,660 mainly they were saying we went there on the potluck with the 39 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:28,620 800 pound gorilla in the room of Why think so called black 40 00:02:28,620 --> 00:02:30,960 people, the community quote unquote, a community in big 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,820 quotes is AIDS. 42 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:39,000 Why? Why the community is hesitant you mean? Yes. Wow, 43 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:42,000 this is something white America has not heard. 44 00:02:43,050 --> 00:02:47,340 AIDS, that way aid was handled the way people perceive aids to 45 00:02:47,340 --> 00:02:51,270 be. And it's amazing. I haven't heard anybody talk about this. 46 00:02:51,539 --> 00:03:00,239 Well, except for no agenda. Because I have definitely made 47 00:03:00,239 --> 00:03:02,879 the comparison because it's the same damn people. 48 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:07,350 Well, it's not really just the were the people involved, we're 49 00:03:07,350 --> 00:03:11,250 gonna definitely look at that. But just the psychological 50 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,580 baggage that came along with AIDS, and it still exists. I'm 51 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:21,870 with so called black people or quote unquote, black people. 52 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:26,850 Yes. It's, it's kind of like it's, it's for everybody else 53 00:03:26,850 --> 00:03:32,040 has gone away. But it still lingers with us. Because the 54 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,810 amount of propaganda that went behind it, the amount of fear 55 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:43,110 that came with it. Um, but I've haven't heard, I just know, 56 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:46,050 we've talked about it once again, is Henrietta Lacks, you 57 00:03:46,050 --> 00:03:50,070 know, the first. The first reflexive one we always talked 58 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:52,920 about, and you asked me about it was Teskey. You bring up siskey? 59 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:54,480 Yeah, that's just a 60 00:03:54,509 --> 00:03:57,689 reflex. Yeah. Which is, which is exactly what you said. And I 61 00:03:57,689 --> 00:04:00,389 totally accepted that. But then what I what I remember 62 00:04:00,389 --> 00:04:03,329 distinctly is you saying certainly for black men, the 63 00:04:03,329 --> 00:04:05,369 only thing the doctor gives me is the knife or the pill. 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,760 Correct. I'm just saying and when a talking point standpoint 65 00:04:09,090 --> 00:04:14,970 of what some might back to the cornice Why don't you want to 66 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:19,650 take it a nice reflex party? Get him up off he was to ski it just 67 00:04:19,650 --> 00:04:22,980 rolls off the tongue. And it kind of works. And of course, we 68 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:27,330 understand as you as you illustrate it and I relate to 69 00:04:27,330 --> 00:04:29,670 you was, of course I mean, that's the only thing they do 70 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:33,930 have to offer is a pill or a knife. Um, so who wants bad 71 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:38,400 news? I was shocked to find out that you didn't go to the 72 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,570 doctor. Oh, no, that was 73 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,920 oh, no, no, no, I've I've heard that the last time I asked. 74 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:46,980 Well, no, that's not true. I had some weird thing which turned 75 00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:49,230 out to be Believe it or not jacket. I'll just say it I've 76 00:04:49,230 --> 00:04:52,530 never had in my life. I'm not a jock. That actually you know, 77 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:55,350 it's like a shit what's going on? Went to the emergency 78 00:04:55,350 --> 00:05:00,000 clinic. That was the first time in at least. I'm gonna say 30 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,940 The five years that I've been to an actual doctor, I go once a 80 00:05:02,940 --> 00:05:07,350 month, I go to the functional medicine voodoo guy. And and we 81 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:11,310 do, you know, we look at it as a different way of looking at it 82 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:16,140 more medicine man. And it works for me and I feel great. So and 83 00:05:16,170 --> 00:05:17,280 a little bit of acupuncture. 84 00:05:17,909 --> 00:05:21,509 And I'm not saying people don't go to the doctor. But of course 85 00:05:21,509 --> 00:05:25,049 we go to like soon Of course, you have to make the appointment 86 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:28,949 to get the, the yearly and that kind of thing. But if you feel a 87 00:05:28,949 --> 00:05:31,949 little painting arm, you know, saying like joints a little 88 00:05:31,979 --> 00:05:34,889 loose. I'll work it out, you know, that kind of thing, right? 89 00:05:34,889 --> 00:05:38,039 If you're seriously going Oh, please, please go. That's not 90 00:05:38,039 --> 00:05:42,209 what we're saying here, Tom. But I want to address this because 91 00:05:42,869 --> 00:05:47,279 hopefully at the end of the show, I can illustrate the 92 00:05:47,339 --> 00:05:51,119 anxiety from that standpoint, which I've haven't heard anybody 93 00:05:51,119 --> 00:05:55,649 talk about. And when I said that was I have you heard anybody say 94 00:05:55,679 --> 00:06:00,329 AIDS. AIDS is the way that AIDS was handled the way the AIDS was 95 00:06:00,329 --> 00:06:00,989 rolled out. 96 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,150 Well, I think you may be factually correct. We'll leave 97 00:06:06,150 --> 00:06:07,290 it at that. Yes. All right. 98 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:11,490 So um, I guess what we need to do is get into the back, and 99 00:06:11,490 --> 00:06:14,610 we're going to start with a look back 40 years always. 100 00:06:15,089 --> 00:06:17,969 At first, the deadly intruder did not have a name, 101 00:06:18,060 --> 00:06:21,960 a lifestyle of some male homosexuals has triggered an 102 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,150 epidemic of a rare form of cancer. 103 00:06:24,299 --> 00:06:26,549 But it quickly developed a reputation 104 00:06:26,789 --> 00:06:31,169 and the deaths kept coming and coming. The fear was palpable. 105 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,100 I was terrified of passing on HIV to someone else. 106 00:06:35,550 --> 00:06:37,050 But in the years that followed, 107 00:06:37,469 --> 00:06:39,839 pretty miraculous for me. So was 108 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:40,350 the break. 109 00:06:40,529 --> 00:06:43,319 Because of them, I can live a healthy and happy life. 110 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,969 We sat down with four gay men from four different generations 111 00:06:47,969 --> 00:06:52,259 all living with HIV. The oldest is Jessie myelin, who's still 112 00:06:52,259 --> 00:06:54,749 haunted by the beginning of the epidemic. 113 00:06:55,110 --> 00:07:00,600 People who because they had been diagnosed suddenly disappear. 114 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,300 And we all knew what that silence met. 115 00:07:03,570 --> 00:07:07,320 Jessie was diagnosed in the 80s. After losing his partner, George 116 00:07:07,590 --> 00:07:19,530 and so many others. It was hard to bridge the barrier. At the 117 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:22,530 time, many leaders were accused of ignoring the crisis because 118 00:07:22,530 --> 00:07:26,730 it was deemed a gay disease. Present President Reagan didn't 119 00:07:26,730 --> 00:07:31,530 give his first major speech on AIDS until 1987. Six years after 120 00:07:31,530 --> 00:07:33,390 the first diagnosed case, 121 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,550 we must have a definition of aid 122 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:40,170 for Dr. Anthony Fauci. The epidemic was a turning. In 1984, 123 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:43,470 he became the nation's top infectious disease expert, the 124 00:07:43,470 --> 00:07:45,090 same job he holds today. 125 00:07:47,339 --> 00:07:52,259 It might be it might be I did a lot of research on AIDS. A lot 126 00:07:52,289 --> 00:07:55,439 of a lot of friends of mine died, which is why I was very 127 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:57,719 interested in in the research. 128 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,700 Well, let me ask you this just so it might be the way I view 129 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:08,190 things. Because you had a lot of friends. As Is it as scary now, 130 00:08:08,490 --> 00:08:11,820 as it was then when it first came about? Oh, public? 131 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:17,310 No. I mean, Eddie Murphy sums it up perfectly. That's how we 132 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:23,730 thought you put your dick in explodes. That that's yeah. Oh, 133 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:26,460 no, no, no, no, of course not. Well, so let me just say this a 134 00:08:26,460 --> 00:08:29,790 couple of things about AIDS because there's a distinction 135 00:08:29,790 --> 00:08:35,790 between aids which is auto immune deficiency syndrome, 136 00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:42,240 which is means that your, your immune system is in a weakened 137 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,180 state and it can turn into a syndrome that's not the disease, 138 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:52,290 you don't catch AIDS. What was positive was that the human the 139 00:08:52,290 --> 00:08:56,970 HIV, this virus got in and that's what was transmitted and 140 00:08:56,970 --> 00:09:04,020 that gave you aids. What I what I personally believe just to set 141 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:07,950 a straight up front, is that yes, HIV, they finally prove 142 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:11,070 something that said, Okay, this is HIV. It took them a while to 143 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:13,350 be able to prove that very interesting. It's kind of the 144 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:17,670 same way with Coronavirus. But in my mind, it was the treatment 145 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,570 namely rejected cancer drug AZT, that's what was killing people, 146 00:09:21,570 --> 00:09:25,560 people who went to different places, and there's many YouTube 147 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:28,440 document or documentaries on YouTube, you can see 148 00:09:29,310 --> 00:09:37,050 particularly the clinic in in I think was Mexico. They had 149 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:42,900 different treatment and nobody died. And so to me, it was the 150 00:09:43,020 --> 00:09:45,060 treatment was worse than cure. 151 00:09:45,869 --> 00:09:50,909 Well, I'll say this, and maybe this is cultural. But I think in 152 00:09:50,909 --> 00:09:54,899 certain southern cities like Atlanta, I think, some places in 153 00:09:54,899 --> 00:10:00,839 Mississippi, Alabama, one out of every two gay men We'll catch 154 00:10:01,169 --> 00:10:01,769 HIV, 155 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,220 though that was that was the that was the marketing at the 156 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:05,610 time. 157 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:09,300 No, now that's right now back now, yes, 158 00:10:09,450 --> 00:10:14,190 yes, but I don't see how that message is getting through 159 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:17,250 because now they've come up with this product, which is prep PR 160 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:22,920 EP, right? And, and this is as some magical pill that you take. 161 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,770 And then you just even if you have HIV, you're not going to 162 00:10:25,770 --> 00:10:26,160 die 163 00:10:26,850 --> 00:10:31,740 as it's sold. But like I said, this is where the psychological 164 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:36,300 aspect comes in. That I mean, me coming of. I'm a baby, I was 165 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:40,950 born in 1980. So you gotta think, um, you get sexually 166 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:44,580 active in your teenage years. This is at like, the height of 167 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:45,600 the age scare. 168 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,310 Oh, no, you guys, you guys got a rough deal, man. I mean, we'd 169 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:53,010 already had some notches on our belt. By the time this thing 170 00:10:53,010 --> 00:10:55,710 rolled around. Like, whoa. 171 00:10:56,580 --> 00:10:58,950 And it's generational, right? Because like, my dad was the 172 00:10:58,950 --> 00:11:01,950 only thing we had to worry about you go get a shot. And that was 173 00:11:01,950 --> 00:11:04,980 the kind of laissez faire attitude about it? Well, now, 174 00:11:05,010 --> 00:11:08,730 every time you get to have a sexual interaction, it could be 175 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:09,480 life or death. 176 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:12,960 Well, that's what they say. I mean, again, I have my different 177 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,520 opinion. But that's the marketing. Yeah, 178 00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:17,760 I was saying the psychological, the psychological 179 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:22,320 baggage. I mean, I remember I remember I think Fauci even 180 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,360 saying, well, we're not sure you might be able to get it just 181 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,210 from touching someone or maybe from a doorknob. I mean, I heard 182 00:11:27,210 --> 00:11:28,680 it all from it out of his mouth. 183 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,980 Well, my grandma was like, boy, take a pin out your mouth, you 184 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:35,970 get AIDS in the mouth. Yeah, it was. Yeah. That was the kind of 185 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:40,350 psychology and what I'm saying is that baggage, the way it was 186 00:11:40,350 --> 00:11:46,230 rolled out, the way it was presented, and they kind of 187 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:49,710 like, Oh, everybody equally get it from any kind of sexual ad. 188 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:52,680 I'm saying, I'm not saying this is scientific. What I'm saying 189 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:55,920 is this was the market gene. That was the market. Yeah, this 190 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,450 is the marketing that received. And now, hopefully, as we go 191 00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:05,430 through these clips, you can understand the reluctancy in 192 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:10,320 medicine and medicine, um, when you have this kind of thing that 193 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,560 just looms, I mean, every time you grab a second action, it 194 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:15,810 could be life or death. I mean, that's the kind of 195 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,650 that's that was the intent. It was there to scare. Absolutely. 196 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:23,100 Yeah. So what I want to do now like say we had to get into the, 197 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,500 the guy, I'm Fauci, and some background on him we clip three. 198 00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:33,930 At the October 13 1988, presidential debate, Michael 199 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:37,470 Dukakis and George HW Bush were asked Who are the heroes 200 00:12:37,470 --> 00:12:40,260 who are there in American life today, who are the ones that you 201 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:44,280 would point out to young Americans as figures who should 202 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,660 inspire this country? 203 00:12:46,770 --> 00:12:51,000 I'm Escalante to be a Daris. Those people that took us back 204 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,910 into space again, in sports heroes, 205 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:56,610 Vice President Bush eventually responded with 206 00:12:56,670 --> 00:13:00,960 I think Dr. Fauci probably never heard of you and heard of is a 207 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,650 very fine research top doctor at National Institutes of Health, 208 00:13:04,770 --> 00:13:08,760 working hard doing something about research on this disease 209 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:09,390 of AIDS. 210 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:15,630 Today, Dr. Anthony s. Fauci is best known because of his 211 00:13:15,630 --> 00:13:19,710 position in the Coronavirus Task Force, and for his many media 212 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:24,840 appearances in the US, he's one of the most recognizable faces 213 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:28,230 in the current crisis. How did this doctor go from his research 214 00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:31,680 lab in Bethesda, Maryland to becoming one of the most visible 215 00:13:31,860 --> 00:13:34,350 medical experts on the pandemic today? 216 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:38,760 Yes, indeed. I wonder how that happened. 217 00:13:39,510 --> 00:13:45,960 So that's your inbox. And they explain explains how Fauci came 218 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,980 to be. But what I find interesting is, through all of 219 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:52,530 this, I didn't know who Dr. Fauci was until COVID. happen. 220 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:57,090 Yeah, you would think he would be arm arm with the so called 221 00:13:57,090 --> 00:14:01,500 community with you have a still looming crisis? Like I say, I 222 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:05,370 mean, when you look at the numbers, I mean, me being a 223 00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:09,900 super straight, black man, I'm kind of down on the numbers, but 224 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:14,400 for homosexual men and women, black women, this thing they 225 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,450 lead and all they're saying and both sides in their respective 226 00:14:18,450 --> 00:14:22,950 categories, by me by a significant amount. You would 227 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:26,880 think he will have a presence or we will know you know who he is. 228 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,630 Well, again, for me, it was I saw him and Burks. Dr. Burks. 229 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:37,200 Both of them were very I mean, I saw Fauci at parties in 230 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,370 Hollywood. So you were young. And it was, I think there was, 231 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,030 you know, 2020 years in between but for the people who also 232 00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:49,230 remember the scathing Village Voice, front page article at the 233 00:14:49,230 --> 00:14:53,160 time in New York is calling Fauci out for murdering people. 234 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:56,820 I mean, In what moment we forget, we forget we get 235 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:59,340 distracted. There's other crap going on in our brains and 236 00:14:59,340 --> 00:15:01,380 there's no one right recalling this absolutely right, it 237 00:15:01,380 --> 00:15:03,900 behooves none of those guys to say, oh, remember when we did 238 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:05,160 the ACE thing so well, 239 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,570 but the thing is, it's not finished? No, no, of course not. 240 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,180 Well, of course not certain people that he is, I mean, if 241 00:15:12,180 --> 00:15:17,040 you have the money, their health issues, the bottles, the the PIP 242 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:19,980 probe he was on premise give me Prem joke that you were talking 243 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:23,760 about. It's not a concern of yours within this is probably 244 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,910 gonna be something for the last tapes, is getting into the drill 245 00:15:26,910 --> 00:15:30,480 commercials and how they're over represented by black women and 246 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,530 homosexual man. Yeah, when they sell these drugs? Uh huh. That's 247 00:15:34,530 --> 00:15:35,700 a problem in itself. 248 00:15:37,050 --> 00:15:40,050 I'll agree with that. Because we've noticed that too, cuz I 249 00:15:40,050 --> 00:15:41,790 see that I always see the prep commercial. 250 00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:47,610 And it communicates like no more eight. Exactly. Not true 251 00:15:47,610 --> 00:15:51,720 indicates. Yeah. But that's not true. And when it it's, it's 252 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:58,290 like a paradox, because one, you are representing gay men and 253 00:15:58,290 --> 00:16:01,680 black women in these commercials outside the distribution, 254 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,190 they're in the normal population. But then you say, 255 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:08,700 oh, there's no more aids. It's like, well, hold on. If there's 256 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:11,190 no more he's been wild. They've been represented that way. 257 00:16:13,170 --> 00:16:14,130 Have good question. 258 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:19,680 You can't have a mess. If for people that are paying 259 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,320 attention, and like I said, this thing has been going for 40 260 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:29,820 years now. Yep. no cure. I mean, not even. Not even, you know, 261 00:16:31,290 --> 00:16:34,530 the interest is not even there anymore. I mean, even Matt 262 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:36,450 Johnson, he's post aids. 263 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:42,270 Yeah, it also I have a hard time. What's difficult is I just 264 00:16:42,270 --> 00:16:45,990 don't believe aids, if you catch catch AIDS, that you're gonna 265 00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:46,380 die. 266 00:16:46,890 --> 00:16:50,310 I want to say what I'm saying, as I'm rolling HIV. Right. But 267 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:54,840 raising the what I'm saying is, I was told, I think that also 268 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,310 what you make a really good point. So 269 00:16:56,310 --> 00:17:00,120 why why is that representation there? If it's pretty much 270 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,080 solved? I mean, that. I got it, I got it. Because that's, that 271 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,410 is the general consensus, the way I see it as Oh, you know, 272 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:11,130 this prep. And so it's pretty much solved. We're post aids. 273 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:12,570 We're post aids, correct, 274 00:17:12,569 --> 00:17:16,649 but we're not. And like I say, I'm me being a super straight, 275 00:17:17,069 --> 00:17:21,329 black man. I have the least amount of risk, especially being 276 00:17:21,329 --> 00:17:25,349 married. I mean, I'm locked in. So I don't I mean, it wouldn't 277 00:17:25,349 --> 00:17:25,529 have 278 00:17:25,529 --> 00:17:28,829 been, I need to ask you a question. Please. Do you know 279 00:17:28,829 --> 00:17:30,719 anyone who died of AIDS? 280 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:34,620 I do in a very early age. I mean, this is 281 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:37,650 a recent or a long time ago. 282 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,360 I don't know. 283 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:43,170 No, I don't. Okay. So we 284 00:17:43,470 --> 00:17:46,200 don't know anybody that had it. I mean, so to say that they died 285 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,350 from it. I didn't, I didn't. I didn't know that very many 286 00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:53,340 people that had AIDS. I'm the one that stuck with me, was a 287 00:17:53,340 --> 00:17:58,500 little girl that was assaulted by her stepfather and got very 288 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:00,840 young. I mean, that's why I kind of right is stuck with me, 289 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,810 because I'm talking about very high, single digit age. She was 290 00:18:06,810 --> 00:18:10,350 a victim of a sex crime, basically caught it and died. 291 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:13,980 And that's kind of me, but you hear the horror stories, you 292 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:17,460 know, of people in church and that kind of thing, you know, of 293 00:18:17,460 --> 00:18:17,820 people. 294 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:22,590 But I just want to make sure that you and I are on the same 295 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:25,980 wavelength here. I don't believe in the story. 296 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:32,610 Well, I mean, that's, that's not what I'm gonna say this. I 297 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:39,480 believe in the symptoms. We you see these guys suffering. I 298 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,610 mean, I watched a lot of videos. I wish no, no, 299 00:18:42,389 --> 00:18:46,139 I agree. But my point is, those symptoms, I believe, came from 300 00:18:46,139 --> 00:18:49,169 the treatment, not from the HIV, but they're 301 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:52,680 not using the same treatment anymore. Or are they? I mean, 302 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:54,120 you open up another? 303 00:18:54,510 --> 00:18:56,880 There's no, I don't think there's because I don't think 304 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,100 anyone is getting sick like that anymore. 305 00:18:59,250 --> 00:19:01,710 Everyone's or they are they are and that's what that's that's my 306 00:19:01,710 --> 00:19:06,900 point. I mean by okay, just go Oh, you just go on YouTube. And 307 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:13,890 search. Black people aids. You like, serious symptoms? 308 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,560 Okay, hold on a second. Not now, you freaked me out was with a 309 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,210 whole nother thought. Okay, you really freed me up? Could it be 310 00:19:21,210 --> 00:19:26,730 this thing is only being either functioning on black people or 311 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:29,040 directed to function on black people? Well, 312 00:19:29,070 --> 00:19:31,920 that's a whole nother and we talked about what COVID And this 313 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,910 is not a COVID show. And we talked about COVID. You know, 314 00:19:36,750 --> 00:19:39,150 the theory that there's more receptors and and those were 315 00:19:39,150 --> 00:19:43,020 black people. It's like, what, what's this? Let's get into 316 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:47,160 it. Except Except in Africa for some reasons. Right. But let's 317 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,850 let's get into the clips. Okay. And I think I can say I like the 318 00:19:50,850 --> 00:19:54,480 fact that we're on two totally different pages here. Oh, 319 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:57,120 because I think it's going to make for a very interesting 320 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,930 conversation. Yeah, good. Good. A number four. Dr. Fauci. 321 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,420 Thank you so much for taking the time. Dr. Anthony Fauci. 322 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,020 June 5 1981 weekly report by the Centers for Disease Control was 323 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:19,230 a notable one. He recorded five unusual cases of pneumonia. 324 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,340 These cases would become known as some of the earliest reports 325 00:20:23,370 --> 00:20:27,030 of AIDS. The next year, Dr. Anthony Fauci wrote in early 326 00:20:27,030 --> 00:20:31,170 paper about the disease which had increased to 290 recognized 327 00:20:31,170 --> 00:20:35,160 cases and had become a public health problem of essentially 328 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,080 epidemic proportions. Fauci worked at the National Institute 329 00:20:40,110 --> 00:20:44,640 of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Naya, heading up a lab 330 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,420 that studied immune system response Nyad conducts research 331 00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:52,440 on diseases to help understand, treat and prevent the it falls 332 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,310 under the National Institutes of Health or NIH, the medical 333 00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:59,220 research agency part of the Department of Health and Human 334 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:05,160 Services. In the early 80s, the NIH had many institutes with NIH 335 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,400 and and National Cancer Institute leading investigation 336 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,870 of the new virus in disease that would become known as HIV AIDS. 337 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:16,260 Fauci made that investigation the focus of his career, 338 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:20,640 he we're going to be listening to Dr. Anthony Fauci. He's going 339 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,990 to be talking about AIDS, 340 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:25,560 I'm working directly on on AIDS both clinically and from a basic 341 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,620 science standpoint, that really is one of the few of we're 342 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:33,120 actually one of the only subjects where you really have 343 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,120 to change your lecture every month. 344 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,560 Wow. You will practice there. Interesting. Interesting to hear 345 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,040 is difference in voice two. Completely different. 346 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,719 Are we starting to see a pattern here? But like I said, this is 347 00:21:51,719 --> 00:21:55,349 this is not what this is not a COVID show. But I always want to 348 00:21:55,349 --> 00:21:59,309 make it clear. I'm not talking about the science behind it. I'm 349 00:21:59,309 --> 00:22:03,569 not talking about any event, I'm just saying message we're 350 00:22:03,569 --> 00:22:07,229 talking about is the psychological baggage the sign 351 00:22:07,229 --> 00:22:11,759 up if you don't want to use it, and that term of being fake but 352 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:12,209 the 353 00:22:12,990 --> 00:22:15,990 no sale sign up is the correct word. It's a psychological 354 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:17,490 operation. Absolutely. 355 00:22:17,819 --> 00:22:21,539 That steal it and I'm just fascinating. I'm going on. Yes. 356 00:22:21,569 --> 00:22:25,349 active active up. No, because the reason why I'm saying you 357 00:22:25,439 --> 00:22:29,399 you're saying have seems like very close gay friends and a 358 00:22:29,399 --> 00:22:34,289 good good size and quantity. That they're not feeling the 359 00:22:34,289 --> 00:22:39,599 same fear. This being still spot I mean, like now get tested, get 360 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:41,939 tested, the partner, you know, got to know your partner get 361 00:22:41,939 --> 00:22:46,409 tested. It's it's a constant focus, 362 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,350 because, well, this is interesting, because yes, I 363 00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:54,510 certainly have many gait, acquaintances and friends. And 364 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,760 for sure, there is a testing culture definitely is a testing 365 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,330 culture, but not after the fact. It's a pre it's like, oh, yeah, 366 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:07,860 I here's my test from last week or whatever. That's definitely 367 00:23:07,860 --> 00:23:12,120 there. But the fear the way it was no nowhere near. 368 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:16,410 That's very interesting. And like I said, we're gonna we're 369 00:23:16,410 --> 00:23:18,060 gonna get on down the list and 370 00:23:18,089 --> 00:23:22,079 and by the way, that's that's only the white gays. I know. One 371 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:25,529 black gay, but he was HIV positive. When I met him, he 372 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:28,379 worked for me for many years, and he's still alive. And I 373 00:23:28,379 --> 00:23:29,039 could ask him 374 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:33,660 when not to and then we factor in comorbidities, which nobody's 375 00:23:33,660 --> 00:23:34,770 talking about that another 376 00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:37,110 thing? Yes. So it's 377 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,560 like, um, I'm just long back that you know that. It's that 378 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,000 big a divide. I man, I'm just shot. But let's go and get to 379 00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:53,340 work. So we're going back now to the the today's special with Joe 380 00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:58,110 fryer. And this is looking back on as looking back as 40 years. 381 00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:01,739 When there is resistance. Was it hard to get the resources you 382 00:24:01,739 --> 00:24:02,729 needed? Well, in 383 00:24:02,729 --> 00:24:06,569 the beginning, it was I mean, we were trying to convince people 384 00:24:06,569 --> 00:24:09,269 that this was not something that was going to go away. This is 385 00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:11,099 something that was going to get worse and worse. 386 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:14,790 To raise awareness. The AIDS Memorial Quilt was unveiled on 387 00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:20,760 the national the quilt. Organizers read the names of 388 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,540 those who died. Some share their stories publicly, including 389 00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:28,350 actor Rock Hudson, teen Ryan White, who tested positive after 390 00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:32,880 a blood transfusion real world star Pedro Zamora basketball 391 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,370 legend Magic Johnson in 1995, a combo therapy known as the AIDS 392 00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:41,220 cocktail was ushered in, followed by even better 393 00:24:41,220 --> 00:24:45,480 medications offering hope. But there was no cure for the 394 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,920 stigma. Right now 395 00:24:46,919 --> 00:24:50,339 there are millions of people with HIV are suffering from 396 00:24:50,339 --> 00:24:53,819 social rejection because they and other people believe that 397 00:24:53,819 --> 00:24:55,679 they're infectious and they're not 398 00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:59,490 diagnosed in 2003. Bruce Richmond says he was terrified 399 00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:01,710 of giving aids HIV to someone else. 400 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,570 So I didn't love I just I isolated myself I was depressed 401 00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:08,790 at times I was I was suicidal. 402 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,119 But then he learned medication could reduce his viral load to 403 00:25:12,179 --> 00:25:16,139 undetectable levels, meaning he couldn't transmit the virus. So 404 00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:20,309 Bruce started an advocacy group and coined the phrase u equals u 405 00:25:20,669 --> 00:25:24,479 undetectable, equals on transmittable message endorsed 406 00:25:24,479 --> 00:25:25,589 by the CDC 407 00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:29,520 gave me hope, and meant that I could be I could be intimate 408 00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:33,570 people with HIV can live healthy lives and not pass on the virus 409 00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:35,490 to anyone. And that's a revolution. 410 00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:40,050 I'm so happy you're doing this show. Because this is the show 411 00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:43,140 that I probably couldn't put together myself. Certainly not 412 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:45,900 from the angle that I've always looked at it. So your approach 413 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:49,680 is really refreshing way to do this. Because ultimately, and I 414 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,130 really love these comparisons, I think it's all a scam. I think 415 00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:57,660 it was all a scam, you know, from day one. Where people 416 00:25:57,660 --> 00:26:00,300 really dying. Yeah, Where'd it come from? It's all the same. 417 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:03,540 It's the same players. Same thing, as we're seeing now. And 418 00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:06,090 it's and this has been repeated in the interim as well, multiple 419 00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:08,850 times, it always comes down to we're gonna save you, and you'll 420 00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:10,230 be able to live again. 421 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:18,090 And I always say, he starts with us. This was the test room, in 422 00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:18,660 my mind. 423 00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:21,000 Yeah, I'm with you on that. 424 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:26,940 This was the test run. You heard several things. One, in the 425 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,510 previous clip before this, when I was always changing is one of 426 00:26:30,510 --> 00:26:32,910 the things that you know, we're just gonna always, you know, you 427 00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:35,130 your studies are going to be changed in two or three weeks. 428 00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:39,360 That kind of thing, that kind of attitude to the hat a quilt then 429 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:40,440 white flags now. 430 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,620 Totally, totally. So I'd love this. We'll go through all the 431 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:48,840 all the good comparisons is going to be good. 432 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:51,810 And then the other thing was what the guy say out of fear 433 00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:55,050 isolated. Yeah, I felt like I couldn't, you know, couldn't be 434 00:26:55,050 --> 00:27:00,180 around the stigma stigma. Yeah, but I have a totally different. 435 00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:06,060 And you figure out the end were, what my stance is, I don't want 436 00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:09,360 to ruin it for you are the producers out there, but let's 437 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,700 go ahead and get into number six. 438 00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:17,040 Today about 38,000 Americans are still diagnosed each year, the 439 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,180 Andre more was 19. Remember staring at a window covered in 440 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:22,230 butterfly stick. 441 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:26,010 And that moment, all I could think was DMF. If I could be one 442 00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:28,680 of those butterflies, and just fly away from here, then 443 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,640 everything's gonna be okay. 444 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:34,590 Ray of garage, he had a similar reaction. He was 27. 445 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:38,279 So I knew next to nothing about what it meant to be diagnosed 446 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,369 with HIV. It was a steep learning curve. And what did you 447 00:27:41,369 --> 00:27:46,919 learn? Well, I learned that I'm not gonna die, and I'm alive and 448 00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:47,339 well. 449 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:50,340 You think back to that moment with the butterfly? 450 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,530 What would you tell yourself in that moment, 451 00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:56,010 you're gonna be okay, you're gonna be just as beautiful. 452 00:27:56,609 --> 00:28:00,299 Today, all four of these men are undetectable. And all our 453 00:28:00,299 --> 00:28:04,349 advocates sharing their stories to educate the public and fight 454 00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:04,859 the stigma. 455 00:28:05,369 --> 00:28:10,229 It's taken us 30 years of the AIDS crisis to teach the whole 456 00:28:10,229 --> 00:28:16,169 world that our lives and our lungs are equal to everyone 457 00:28:16,169 --> 00:28:16,559 else. 458 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:24,119 It blows my mind just how far we've come. What's possible? 459 00:28:26,099 --> 00:28:31,589 What is possible now? My mind immediately says what isn't 460 00:28:31,589 --> 00:28:32,189 possible. 461 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,130 That's the answer. What was this aired on today's show? This 462 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:41,190 was aired last year. I believe this good. 463 00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:44,370 I love the music changes and everything as well. 464 00:28:47,819 --> 00:28:50,639 So let me ask you this question. Why do we have so many new 465 00:28:50,639 --> 00:28:53,879 cases? They made a point to express there's a bunch of new 466 00:28:53,879 --> 00:28:58,319 cases 36,000 a year I think they said right we have this prep 467 00:28:58,319 --> 00:28:58,919 drug. 468 00:29:00,329 --> 00:29:02,729 Got the full seven out haven't taken it the 469 00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:06,450 fools. No. Well, shouldn't Well, Premier 470 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,880 prep doesn't actually I think prep doesn't actually stop you 471 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,900 from getting AIDS. 472 00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:13,050 That's what that's what they just said undetectable equals 473 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,530 and what did the guy say? undetectable equals m spreadable 474 00:29:16,530 --> 00:29:17,370 or something like that. 475 00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:19,860 Should we should go back on a second. Where was that? 476 00:29:21,930 --> 00:29:25,530 Clip to at the end might have made me laugh 30 seconds. 477 00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:26,820 Okay, hold on a second Smith 478 00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:31,020 the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and just a little 479 00:29:31,020 --> 00:29:31,260 bit. 480 00:29:32,550 --> 00:29:35,970 I didn't love I just I isolated myself 481 00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:39,510 back a little further. No, no, you okay? Yeah. 482 00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:43,170 Because they and other people believe that they're infectious 483 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,640 and they're not dying. 484 00:29:45,089 --> 00:29:49,019 2003 boosts Richmond says that's it. No, no, keep going. He was 485 00:29:49,019 --> 00:29:51,929 terrified of giving HIV to someone else. 486 00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:56,820 So I didn't love I just I isolated myself. I was depressed 487 00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:59,040 at times. I was I was suicidal. 488 00:29:59,340 --> 00:30:01,530 But then he learned under medication could reduce his 489 00:30:01,530 --> 00:30:04,560 viral load to undetectable levels meaning he couldn't 490 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,280 transmit the virus. So Bruce started an advocacy group and 491 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,630 coined the phrase u equals u undetectable equals on 492 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:14,190 transmittable message. 493 00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:19,710 Yeah got it right endorsed endorsed by the CDC 494 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:23,820 undetectable equals on transmittable so while we have a 495 00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:24,720 new cases 496 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:29,640 because 497 00:30:29,670 --> 00:30:31,260 should we be trying to flatten that curve? 498 00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:34,620 Yeah. Yeah, we should lock them all up. Like everybody 499 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:40,260 go there. Should we make prep drugs available for free to help 500 00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:44,460 this community, the LGBT community? Which this drug, 501 00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:52,080 especially the the dark LGBT community? Um, why are these 502 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,520 drugs not available for free? 503 00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:58,200 Well, I don't know that. So I don't know, the availability and 504 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,710 the and the cost. I don't know if they are covered under a 505 00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:04,950 government or social health care programs. 506 00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:09,960 Why came out walk in my safe way right now and get free prep 507 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,920 drugs. It's a flatten the curve. Have you tried? I know I'm being 508 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,940 facetious, but I'm just No, I I know what I can walk into 509 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:19,380 Safeway and get for free right now. 510 00:31:21,059 --> 00:31:21,659 This is true. 511 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,400 I'm just saying. I mean, if we're being acted in good faith, 512 00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:28,740 I guess I'm just asking that question. 513 00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:34,080 Yeah, no, I agree. It's Truvada I think is the is a bunch of was 514 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,120 the Well, that's the main one, I guess was the 30. Oh, wow. Is it 515 00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:40,260 generic by now? 516 00:31:41,250 --> 00:31:43,500 It's I know it's over 30. And I know obviously in those 517 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,440 commercials for a long time, very long time. Yeah. So I'm 518 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,410 sure it is generic. I'm just saying it shouldn't even be 519 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:51,990 prescription. It should be just like 520 00:31:52,859 --> 00:31:55,139 Halloween candy. Well, you 521 00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:58,260 should be able to go pick it up off your shelf and over the 522 00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:01,920 counter. If we can save lives, I mean, if that's what we're 523 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:09,540 doing. I'm being contrary in a way is saying that one and you 524 00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:12,930 can't have it both ways. You can't have it that this is a 525 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:15,960 still linger epidemic, which it is because like I said, people 526 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,550 are catching it and dying from it. But at the same time the 527 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:24,420 thing that could solve this problem to make it on 528 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:29,040 transmittable is not being doled out with the same energy? Oh, 529 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320 like crazy, because holy? Yeah, 530 00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:35,370 a month supply of Truvada without insurance. Wanna want to 531 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:36,090 take a guess? 532 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:38,790 Ah, 350. 533 00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:46,440 Try 2000. Oh, about that. 534 00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:55,350 But But these people of color in the LGBT community be LGBT 535 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:55,920 community? 536 00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:57,960 They can. So it's more than that. Yeah, they can just cough 537 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,720 it up or die as your point was not really 538 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,910 available? This is a very good question. Is it because who it 539 00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:06,330 is? 540 00:33:08,309 --> 00:33:10,859 Well, you want my answer. My answer is, 541 00:33:11,369 --> 00:33:14,879 I mean, be rhetorical. Yeah. It may make it make sense is what 542 00:33:14,879 --> 00:33:15,299 I'm saying. 543 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,289 All right. Well, let's let's look. Okay, so clearly, this has 544 00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:23,039 to be about money. Otherwise, why would they be do why would 545 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:28,589 they be doing it this way? So the bigger question is, if if 546 00:33:28,589 --> 00:33:32,459 they've traumatize black America, so called Black 547 00:33:32,459 --> 00:33:35,759 America, but they can't afford it? Well, then what are they 548 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:40,739 doing? So who are they? Who are they advertising to? Is that's 549 00:33:40,739 --> 00:33:45,389 your question. Yeah, it's a very good question, too, that maybe 550 00:33:45,389 --> 00:33:47,849 they're just doing it just to keep fear going and probably 551 00:33:47,849 --> 00:33:51,299 sell to the you know, they sell enough to the to the rich people 552 00:33:52,499 --> 00:33:53,189 of all colors. 553 00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:58,080 I can say I'm just saying that these two marginalized groups of 554 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:58,530 people, 555 00:33:59,099 --> 00:34:02,309 should they they are being treated very unfairly in this 556 00:34:02,309 --> 00:34:06,059 aids issue. I am in agreement with you according to the social 557 00:34:06,059 --> 00:34:10,049 norms of today. Yes, it is an outrage. In fact, we need to 558 00:34:10,619 --> 00:34:18,929 have posters. Yes. Yeah, no, of course. No, you make a 559 00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:22,140 great point. Alright, so I think we stopped at six, let's get 560 00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:22,740 into seven. 561 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,040 Another key breakthrough in recent years prep. It's a daily 562 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,650 pill that people who are HIV negative can take to prevent 563 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:31,920 getting the disease asked for an HIV AIDS vaccine. Well, that has 564 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,010 not happened yet. But Dr. Fauci tells me he is cautiously 565 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:37,920 optimistic that someday we will have a vaccine that is 566 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,890 successful 26 year old day, Andre more who you saw there 567 00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:43,740 hopes that he is someday going to be part of an AIDS free 568 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:46,080 generation. And we want to give a big thank you to three 569 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,810 organizations that helped us with that story there. The AIDS 570 00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:52,680 Healthcare Foundation, AIDS United and the prevention access 571 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,340 campaign. 572 00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:57,630 It's incredible to see how far we've come in those decades. We 573 00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:00,600 all remember those scenes in the 80s but there's still is a 574 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,340 stigma. Isn't that what you learned? 575 00:35:02,370 --> 00:35:04,290 Yeah, there is. And it's actually kind of amazing, 576 00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:07,110 especially with young people, which is surprising. So a recent 577 00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:09,540 survey of HIV negative Millennials found that nearly a 578 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:13,050 third of them say they avoid hugging, talking to or even 579 00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:16,740 being friends with someone with HIV. People living with HIV 580 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,230 often report being hesitant still to openly share their 581 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,410 status because they fear losing friends or family or they even 582 00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:25,350 fear abuse, whether it's physical, emotional, or mental 583 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,880 disability Porter, just last 584 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:28,650 week, just just announced 585 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:31,740 a sign of bravery even now, it's needed now, which is more than 586 00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:32,100 before, 587 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:35,490 and he waited 14 years waited till his mother so that stigma 588 00:35:35,490 --> 00:35:36,120 is still there. 589 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,040 Thank you, Joe. 590 00:35:38,070 --> 00:35:41,280 Thank you, Joe. I didn't know that about Billy Porter. 591 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:47,460 A man is openly wear a dress. Is a foot even afraid of the 592 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:51,570 stigma. Sure, and I'm gonna say I'm saying that. I mean, however 593 00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:54,690 you see it, I mean, he's willness you know, present 594 00:35:54,690 --> 00:36:00,240 himself as he is with that aspect of his life. But his his 595 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,970 status? No. Does he? 596 00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:07,080 Let me see Billy Porter? Does he do any commercials? 597 00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:11,610 I'm not I haven't seen him in any commercials. I'm not can 598 00:36:11,610 --> 00:36:18,660 recall. But it's a formula to those commercials is. Oh, black 599 00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:19,320 gay. Oh, he's 600 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,160 no whole bunch of them. 601 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,290 Okay, it's two black gay guys. One brown gay guy, a white guy, 602 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:30,240 a transgender person of any color. And then a couple black 603 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:30,540 women. 604 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,630 You're so right. Here December 2019. Johnson and Johnson TV 605 00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:42,060 commercial, HIV exploratory vaccine. Oh, he says he's 606 00:36:42,090 --> 00:36:43,350 shilling for Big Pharma. 607 00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:48,870 Now he's pushing the VAX? Yes, we're getting this this we've 608 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:53,580 talked about prepping was not readily available to the point 609 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:57,660 where it shouldn't be over the counter. I would think, um, 610 00:36:57,990 --> 00:37:02,970 where like I said, I can walk in today. I can get something for 611 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:06,540 free. Yeah. If if society decides that's what we need to 612 00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:12,240 do, but we have these people that don't have two grand that 613 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,680 can't afford these drugs, and they're left to die waste away. 614 00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:19,290 No means nothing's changing. It's like the tone of this whole 615 00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:21,900 thing. They're like this doesn't. Why does it take no 616 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:26,310 facts and Adam curry to have this conversation? When these 617 00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:29,280 people are still wasting away? Like it's the 80s. Nothing's 618 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,110 changed in 40 years for certain people. 619 00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:36,150 Correct? Certainly, the fear has not gone away. There's all this 620 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:39,030 Oh, no two generations to generations that have been 621 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:44,250 burdened with this. Yes. You want to hear about Billy Porter 622 00:37:44,250 --> 00:37:47,730 in the Johnson and Johnson commercial, please. Let's see 623 00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:50,940 what he was doing. Back in the day here. This is 2019. 624 00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:57,450 All right, sitting down. 625 00:37:57,510 --> 00:38:01,380 So listen. I first started working with Johnson and Johnson 626 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:05,280 because of their work in HIV. They've been at it for over 30 627 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:08,910 years, developing medicine that allows people to live normal 628 00:38:08,910 --> 00:38:13,530 lives with HIV, educating people about how to protect themselves 629 00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:18,690 from HIV, training doctors and nurses raising public awareness. 630 00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:23,250 And now and now they are working to develop an exploratory 631 00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:29,190 vaccine that could one day prevent HIV altogether. After 632 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:31,950 successful trials in Africa, clinical trials are about to 633 00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:32,220 start 634 00:38:32,849 --> 00:38:33,659 Africa 635 00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:41,040 you go Johnson and Johnson, you go and you thought they were 636 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,910 just today because 637 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,760 she effective. Very effective. 638 00:38:47,789 --> 00:38:50,549 I know they do sell some poisonous powder allegedly. 639 00:38:50,549 --> 00:38:50,999 Yeah. 640 00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:58,680 That's hilarious. That's so true. 641 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,570 It's amazing, like what people would do with this vaccine. So 642 00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:09,000 now we got to get into that where they were over the time. 643 00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:13,590 This next clip comes for 2007 talking about a vaccine. But 644 00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:18,330 it's amazing what was this new technology to help these 645 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,520 marginalized communities. 646 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,490 Welcome to the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm Dr. 647 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:27,870 Terry Schrader. With me today is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of 648 00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:31,230 the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases 649 00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:34,650 at the National Institutes of Health. Dr. Fauci has written a 650 00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:39,000 prospective article entitled an HIV vaccine challenges and 651 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,980 prospects to be published in the August 28 2008 issue of the New 652 00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:46,560 England Journal of Medicine. Welcome, Dr. Fauci. 653 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:47,670 Thank you. Good to be here. 654 00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:51,960 First of all, why has the 30 year search for an AIDS vaccine 655 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,400 been so unsuccessful? 656 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,450 Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really 657 00:39:57,450 --> 00:40:00,450 quite different from any other virus for which We have 658 00:40:00,450 --> 00:40:04,080 successfully developed a vaccine. And the difference lies 659 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,310 in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural 660 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:11,790 infection does not make an adequate or an appropriate 661 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:13,110 immune response to do 662 00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:16,680 not stop right there virtually ever. I just caught something. 663 00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:19,230 He said natural infection. 664 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,890 Oh, let me roll that back home. 665 00:40:23,189 --> 00:40:26,399 I heard that clip 10 times I never heard that before. 666 00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:28,230 So listen again. 667 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,510 So why has the 30 year search for an AIDS? unsuccessful? 668 00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:37,590 Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really 669 00:40:37,590 --> 00:40:40,530 quite different from any other virus for which we have 670 00:40:40,530 --> 00:40:44,190 successfully developed the vaccine. And the difference lies 671 00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:48,420 in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural 672 00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:52,200 infection does not make an adequate or inappropriate immune 673 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,610 response to do with virtually every other exposure to other 674 00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:57,870 viruses. Do 675 00:40:58,050 --> 00:40:59,850 I interesting, he put that in there? 676 00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:03,270 What's the unnatural? I mean, if you say natural, then what's 677 00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:04,500 unnatural infection? 678 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:05,670 Injection? 679 00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:10,200 Maybe I'm just saying I just never heard that good question. 680 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:10,560 Yeah. 681 00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:17,100 Or, or, or it could mean natural as in some pathogen or virus 682 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:21,060 that is natural and not jacked up in a lab, 683 00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:25,260 that you're here either. I just want to point out that he said 684 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:26,130 that, yeah, he did. 685 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:31,140 Take some examples, smallpox, measles, polio, all of those 686 00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:35,400 viruses can kill, they can mean they can make people seriously 687 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,150 ill. But at the end of the day, the body's immune system 688 00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:43,680 ultimately clears the virus from the body, eradicated completely, 689 00:41:43,830 --> 00:41:46,680 and allows the body to have protection against subsequent 690 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,690 challenge. So nature has already done the experiment to tell us 691 00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:56,310 that not only is a vaccine feasible, the vaccine is likely 692 00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:59,250 because we know the immune response is capable of doing 693 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:02,940 that. The problem with HIV is that literally in an 694 00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:08,460 unprecedented way, HIV does not elicit a protective immune 695 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:11,190 response in the body. And in fact, of the 10s of millions of 696 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:14,430 people who've been infected. With HIV. There's not a single 697 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:18,900 documented case of someone with established infection, who's 698 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:22,800 actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast, 699 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,490 vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease, 700 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,000 despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do 701 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,950 something that others who do vaccines for other viruses don't 702 00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:38,430 have to do we have to do better than nature. We have to do 703 00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:40,320 better than natural infection. 704 00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:45,300 Man, this guy's had a good rap for a long time. We got to do 705 00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:47,370 better than natural infection. 706 00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:51,720 You got to do better than nature, which, to my ears that 707 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,200 we got to do better than God. Sure. Just just as a believer. 708 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,930 That's what I hear in my what? Yeah, that's natural infection. 709 00:43:00,930 --> 00:43:05,250 I don't understand because even if you presented a vaccine to 710 00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:09,420 somebody, as is like normal vaccines, flu, whatever, that's 711 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:13,470 still the natural infection. I don't know what an unnatural 712 00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:15,780 infection is that troubles me I mean, like, well, I've never 713 00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,090 heard that before. And I'm still processing let's 714 00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:22,800 see if there's, let's see if there's a an entry anywhere. 715 00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:28,680 That natural infection versus vaccination, okay, natural 716 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,780 infection is the opposite, or is the No, that's not the word say, 717 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,560 it's just from science. Or this from Rockefeller, these are the 718 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,200 guys that make the shit up. So they might as well be a defining 719 00:43:40,590 --> 00:43:45,420 Rockefeller self. This is natural infection versus 720 00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:51,960 vaccination. So if you are vaccinated, you have been 721 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,930 infected in a non natural way. So vaccines, 722 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:59,880 listen to that clip. I mean, not not now, 723 00:43:59,910 --> 00:44:00,960 I understand what you're saying. 724 00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:04,140 I understand what he's saying. Because he's saying, because he 725 00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:06,510 then goes on to say, in natural affection, and he goes, 726 00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:10,230 specifies like vaccination, like is in line with natural 727 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:13,500 affection. But he said, if you get if you give him a vaccine 728 00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,500 and a natural affection, if you give them a vaccine overnight, 729 00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:18,150 this is what I'm telling you. I'm hurt. And I'm not saying 730 00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:21,540 this what he meant, but to my ears is like, if you give them a 731 00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:25,170 vaccine of a natural infection, the immune system could kick in. 732 00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:27,930 He didn't say him like they were two conflicting or 733 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,270 I think I think it's worth listening again. Let's listen. 734 00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:32,910 Listen again. Critically, the two of us Yeah, this is this is 735 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:35,550 what Hey, it's a podcast. If people are bored, they can fast 736 00:44:35,550 --> 00:44:37,740 forward two minutes you'll we'll be right back with you. 737 00:44:37,770 --> 00:44:40,440 Welcome to the New England Journal of Medicine. I'm Dr. 738 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,820 Terry Schrader. With me today is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of 739 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:47,670 the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious of 740 00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:51,510 Health. Dr. Fauci has written a perspective article entitled an 741 00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:55,020 HIV vaccine challenges and prospects. It's about the 742 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:59,190 vaccine list in the August 28 2008 issue of the New England 743 00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:01,530 Journal of Medicine. Welcome, Dr. Fauci. 744 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,580 Thank you Good to be here. 745 00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:05,220 And maybe a reminder for ourselves at the time of this 746 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:09,000 interview, there was no mRNA. Boo. No, it's 747 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,550 just straight up. Yeah, so 748 00:45:11,550 --> 00:45:14,820 that means that the the way vaccine vaccines work is 749 00:45:14,850 --> 00:45:19,560 attenuated virus a dead virus deactivated virus in the 750 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,480 vaccine. That's how it was done. 751 00:45:21,749 --> 00:45:25,739 First of all, why has the 30 year search for an AIDS vaccine 752 00:45:25,739 --> 00:45:27,149 been so unsuccessful? 753 00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:31,230 Well, probably the fundamental reason is that HIV is really 754 00:45:31,230 --> 00:45:34,170 quite different from any other virus for which we have 755 00:45:34,170 --> 00:45:37,860 successfully developed a vaccine. And the difference lies 756 00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:42,090 in the fact that the body in its natural response to natural 757 00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:45,540 infection does not make an adequate or an appropriate 758 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:49,530 immune response to do what virtually every other exposure 759 00:45:49,530 --> 00:45:51,540 to other viruses do. 760 00:45:52,050 --> 00:45:56,010 Alright, so he's saying that everybody that there's 10s of 761 00:45:56,010 --> 00:45:59,940 millions of people who have this virus, but these 10s of millions 762 00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:03,720 of people who have this virus, their body doesn't react to it 763 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:08,220 like it's a hostile intruder? Correct. Interesting, okay. 764 00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:12,779 And take some examples, smallpox, measles, polio, all of 765 00:46:12,779 --> 00:46:16,859 those viruses can kill, they can mean they can make people 766 00:46:16,859 --> 00:46:20,609 seriously ill. But at the end of the day, the body's immune 767 00:46:20,609 --> 00:46:24,989 system ultimately clears the virus from the body, eradicated 768 00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:28,199 completely, and allows the body to have protection against 769 00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:33,179 subsequent challenge. So nature has already done the experiment 770 00:46:33,179 --> 00:46:37,799 to tell us that not only is a vaccine feasible, the vaccine is 771 00:46:37,799 --> 00:46:41,009 likely because we know the immune response is capable of 772 00:46:41,009 --> 00:46:44,999 doing that the problem with HIV is that literally in an 773 00:46:44,999 --> 00:46:50,519 unprecedented way, HIV does not elicit a protective immune 774 00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:53,249 response in the body. And in fact, of the 10s of millions of 775 00:46:53,249 --> 00:46:56,489 people who have been infected with HIV. There's not a single 776 00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:00,959 documented case of someone with established infection, who's 777 00:47:00,959 --> 00:47:04,859 actually eradicated the virus from the body. And the vast, 778 00:47:04,859 --> 00:47:08,549 vast overwhelming majority of people have progressive disease, 779 00:47:08,849 --> 00:47:12,059 despite an immune response to the virus. So we have to do 780 00:47:12,059 --> 00:47:13,379 something that 781 00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:18,480 Oh, wow, this is really good. So what he this is an Do you have 782 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,720 anything about PCR coming up? No, because the PCR test was 783 00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:30,330 developed around the same time as the AIDS crisis, and it was 784 00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:34,620 being used as a test. And this is where Kary Mullis, the 785 00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:40,530 inventor of PCR, said, This is not a this you can not use this 786 00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:47,130 as a test for HIV, because everyone has HIV. If you 787 00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:50,070 magnified enough, we've talked about the cycles and how many 788 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:54,300 times it's worth more. More. Yeah. So yeah, so it's, it's 789 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,840 mind boggling. This is a very important clip, actually, it's 790 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,410 mind boggling, because here he saying, oh, you know, like 10s 791 00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:04,650 of millions of people have it. And no one's ever gotten rid of 792 00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:06,900 it. That's you could you can replace that with 10s of 793 00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:12,480 millions of people have Kroners SARS Cove too, if you do a PCR 794 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,170 test, just like HIV, but then they're gonna get rid of it now, 795 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:21,270 because no one can get rid of everything. So he, this clip, to 796 00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:24,480 me, is him saying, You know what, there's all these people 797 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,830 who have it, and some people go on to be sick, but no one else 798 00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:29,400 does. 799 00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:34,020 This is very interesting. KATED the virus from the body. And the 800 00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:36,930 vast, vast, overwhelming majority of people have 801 00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:41,130 progressive disease, despite an immune response to the virus. So 802 00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:43,140 we have to do something. Right. 803 00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:48,330 Now he's saying something different. Now he's saying, 804 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,640 let's go back, I'm missing something 805 00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:53,340 protective immune response in the body, and in fact, of the 806 00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:56,670 10s of millions of people have been infected. With HIV. There's 807 00:48:56,670 --> 00:49:00,900 not a single documented case of someone with established 808 00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:04,170 infection, who's actually eradicated the virus from the 809 00:49:04,170 --> 00:49:07,920 body. And the vast, vast overwhelming majority of people 810 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,700 have progressive disease, despite an immune response to 811 00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:15,930 the virus. So we have to do something that others who do 812 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,680 vaccines for other viruses don't have to do we have to do better 813 00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:22,920 saying that he's saying something contradictory. 814 00:49:23,249 --> 00:49:25,589 That's why I told you, I don't want to say we can just leave 815 00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,060 it Yeah, we will. Because that that was some mumbo jumbo right 816 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:31,710 there. Do the two 817 00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:36,060 things he's saying conflict. Yeah. What is the word? I'm 818 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:37,740 sorry? Yeah. Yeah, no, 819 00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:41,490 I'm gonna say it. The reason why I'm saying that is, it's kind of 820 00:49:41,490 --> 00:49:49,590 like the main point of it is out of all of these viruses. Here 821 00:49:49,590 --> 00:49:54,270 comes something that's so surgical, no pun intended. The 822 00:49:54,270 --> 00:50:00,000 air attacks the very system that should detect. Yep. Hi, bye bye. 823 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,420 But if you call it, you say it's not natural. Those are two or 824 00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:07,980 two takeaways I'm taking from it. So what is it, and now we're 825 00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:11,760 going to get more to the efficacy of the vaccine that 826 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,890 they've tried for HIV and number nine. 827 00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:18,840 For the first time a vaccine has tested positive in preventing 828 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:23,010 HIV infections. That's according to a US funded study involving 829 00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:26,940 more than 16,000 volunteers in Thailand. The combination 830 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:30,600 vaccine prevented interactions in about 30% of the people on 831 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,260 the trial as compared to those on a placebo. The combination 832 00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:38,610 vaccine includes Aloe vac made by Sanofi Ventus and aids back 833 00:50:38,610 --> 00:50:42,510 made by Vax Gen. A neither vaccine has independently 834 00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:45,840 stopped the HIV virus in previous studies. AIDS experts 835 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,200 say the results could transform future research and spur 836 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,200 scientists to use the process that created this vaccine to 837 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,820 create even better ones. 838 00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:56,460 Well, Matt, the National Institute of Allergy and 839 00:50:56,460 --> 00:51:00,210 Infectious Disease funded the breakthrough HIV vaccine studies 840 00:51:00,210 --> 00:51:03,900 director, Dr. Anthony Fauci is the top federal official 841 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,800 responsible for AIDS research. He joins us right now. Dr. Fauci 842 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,160 Great to have you with us. Give us some perspective. We've been 843 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,090 working on research for AIDS for many, many years. I mean, how 844 00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:17,700 significant is this? Well, it's 845 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,150 a very important finding in the sense that it's open doors now 846 00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:24,540 that were really closed. And let me explain. We have been 847 00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:28,560 attempting to get an effective vaccine for literally over two 848 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,460 decades, and everything that has been tried has been complete 849 00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:36,960 failure, really no signal of any kind of even slight efficacy, 850 00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:40,980 the fact that we have in this large trial involving 60,000 851 00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:46,650 people, a 31.2%. efficacy, it's a modest efficacy, it's not 852 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:48,900 something that's primetime, as it were. 853 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,680 Modest. 2% is modest, 854 00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:55,680 modest, is not even in the middle man, listen, this below 855 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,760 is below. 856 00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:59,820 Okay, and they're doing their testing in Thailand, and just 857 00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,800 just just a little bit of Africa, Thailand. Yeah. And it's 858 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,120 a little background, this was two years after the sit down 859 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,260 with the New England Journal of Medicine. So this is 2009. Okay. 860 00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:16,380 So if you want to go and jump into part two, we can. 861 00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:20,280 It's a modest efficacy, it's not something that's prime time as 862 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,240 it were. But it's going to allow us to pursue what the potential 863 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:28,650 mechanism of that protection is, because now we have a foundation 864 00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:32,580 upon which to ask the questions that will hopefully allow us to 865 00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:36,990 get efficacy of vaccines much higher than 30 ish percent up to 866 00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:41,340 6070, or 80%, where we want to be. So although this is a very 867 00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:45,060 important finding, it needs to be taken in context and in 868 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:49,290 perspective, that it's more of a roadway to a lot of work that 869 00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:52,260 needs to be done as opposed to an end in and of itself. 870 00:52:52,439 --> 00:52:55,229 So I mean, the question then is, what's the next step here? I 871 00:52:55,229 --> 00:52:58,559 mean, do you work more with these vaccines? Do you need a 872 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:02,879 new trial? Maybe a more controlled study? Do you work on 873 00:53:02,879 --> 00:53:05,219 new vaccines that come from these vaccines? Where do you see 874 00:53:05,219 --> 00:53:06,539 the next steps? Dr. Fauci? 875 00:53:06,990 --> 00:53:09,450 Now, that's, that's a very good question. The next step is to 876 00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:13,020 try and figure out what we call the correlate of immunity. Go 877 00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:15,660 back and look at the samples we've collected, draw bloods 878 00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:18,510 from the people who were in the trial, and try and figure out if 879 00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:22,410 there's a clue as to what particular laboratory parameter 880 00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:26,400 that you could follow, that would be an indication that it 881 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,630 correlated with this protection. And once you get that, then you 882 00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:34,020 start to design vaccines with some similarity and some 883 00:53:34,020 --> 00:53:38,070 differences that are aimed at inducing that particular 884 00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:42,270 parameter that you've linked to protection because up to now, we 885 00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:46,050 don't have any idea of what of many, many immunological or 886 00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:50,220 laboratory phenomenon, namely, the body's ability to respond to 887 00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:53,520 a virus. We don't know what particular component of that 888 00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:56,880 would be associated with protection against infection. We 889 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,880 didn't even know if it existed until recently, because we've 890 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,860 never had a positive effect like this. 891 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,060 This is 2008 2009 You said 2009? Yeah, they were already doing 892 00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:12,300 mRNA with this at this point. I think he's already let letting 893 00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:13,140 that slip through. 894 00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:17,790 I wanted that didn't want to leave you there. But 2007 He was 895 00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:21,150 for certain we don't even know what to do. And then now it's 896 00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:24,210 like, oh, we have this new technology. Yeah. And the 897 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,910 Bloomberg brings you on and they're trying to pry you for 898 00:54:26,910 --> 00:54:30,270 financial information. This is a financial This is a financial 899 00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:31,710 me, Bloomberg. Oh, he 900 00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:35,310 was on Bloomberg. Yes. Oh, yeah. Well, of course, this is setting 901 00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:37,920 okay. We haven't heard a name yet. Who's going to be making it 902 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,040 who are the licensees who's got patents? 903 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:45,660 Yeah, like so what which way we go now back to buy out? If you 904 00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:48,090 can just listen to the tone the question, they're like trying to 905 00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:51,210 pry him Playa applying for information. Yeah. 906 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,520 They want to know if money is going to flow. That's what they 907 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,840 want to know. Uh huh. 908 00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:58,920 So I guess I didn't want to use mRNA but I'm thinking the same 909 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,270 thing. Yeah. That that big of a change in tone, you you have 910 00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:06,600 zero efficacy, and you're shooting for 70. Like you said 911 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,250 the target was 60 or 70%, up to 80%. In that shorter period of 912 00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:13,770 time, I found that very interesting, but when going to 913 00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:15,300 get the number gets the number three. 914 00:55:15,570 --> 00:55:17,820 Alright, so, Dr. Fauci, you've mentioned, you've been working 915 00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:19,710 on this, or everyone's been working on this for a couple of 916 00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:22,200 decades, you mentioned this is the foundation. So how many more 917 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,770 years? Are we talking potentially, before there is the 918 00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:27,240 next significant step here? 919 00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:30,210 Well, you know, to be honest with you, I can't tell you that 920 00:55:30,210 --> 00:55:32,370 it's certainly going to be measured in years. I mean, some 921 00:55:32,370 --> 00:55:34,140 people when they hear an announcement like this, they 922 00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:35,970 think, Well, next year, we're going to wind up having a 923 00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:39,930 vaccine. That's not only extraordinarily unlikely, it's 924 00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:42,780 it's virtually impossible that that's going to happen. It's 925 00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:45,420 going to be measured in years. I can't tell you how many years 926 00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:49,320 but if we had this conversation, six months ago, when you asked 927 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,560 me that, I would say, I can't even tell you if we're even ever 928 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,770 going to get a vaccine. Now at least I have some cautious 929 00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:59,040 optimism that we're on the right path, but I can't put a number 930 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,750 for you about how many years are there 931 00:56:00,750 --> 00:56:04,830 other steps that are more likely to prevent prevent a stronger 932 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:07,290 age breakout? I mean, are some people, for example, genetically 933 00:56:07,290 --> 00:56:09,750 predisposed to resist the AIDS virus? 934 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,050 Yeah, there are a group of people but they are such a 935 00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:16,650 relatively small fraction of the population, there is a genetic 936 00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:20,340 defect that doesn't make anybody sick. But it doesn't allow the 937 00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:24,300 virus to infect you. It's seen in 1% of the Caucasian 938 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:28,890 population and in virtually 0%, of African population. So it's 939 00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:31,980 not something that is broadly applicant losers to the 940 00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:35,640 population, the best thing to do is behavioral things, you know, 941 00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:40,140 safe sex, use a condom, wash your hands, these kinds of 942 00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:44,070 things. We're gonna mention for a very long time, 943 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:49,380 six feet socially distance during sex. Man, Mo, this is 944 00:56:49,410 --> 00:56:52,260 this. I'm so I gotta say it. I'm so happy to doing this. This 945 00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:54,720 isn't not not an easy show to put together. 946 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:56,730 So who's the 1%? 947 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,510 Ah, that's the rich white people, brother. No, that's 948 00:57:00,510 --> 00:57:01,260 the lizard people. 949 00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:06,900 It doesn't work on the lizard people. Exactly. Thank you very 950 00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:11,610 much. All right. I identify with that remark. Very good. Yeah. I 951 00:57:11,610 --> 00:57:14,310 love that. Oh, like, oh, African American. 952 00:57:15,540 --> 00:57:21,240 But 1% of Caucasian people. Yeah. are appearing Caucasian 953 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:21,660 people, 954 00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:24,060 he should have slipped in a little Boulais. That was really 955 00:57:24,060 --> 00:57:25,020 that was just rude. 956 00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:29,880 That I'm not saying like, we're not we how we deliver people is 957 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,200 like, does it not affect their, their species now? 958 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,410 Anyone which will who doesn't sweat, 959 00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:42,720 which will work perfectly. If we all know all roads lead to the 960 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,050 population? So they're sitting back like, hey, what percent of 961 00:57:46,050 --> 00:57:48,780 us is just gonna be sitting around? Yeah, put this thing out 962 00:57:48,780 --> 00:57:51,210 here. Now let me just go somewhere for a minute. This 963 00:57:51,210 --> 00:57:55,170 just says we got here. If you want to get rid of have a 964 00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:59,790 controlled demolition of society, and you want to get rid 965 00:57:59,790 --> 00:58:05,220 of the undesirables at the time being homosexuals, people of 966 00:58:05,220 --> 00:58:09,120 color. If you're if I'm that 1% That couldn't get in fact, this 967 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,680 I am. I am the loser man. As is perfect. It's like we can't 968 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,270 catch it. It won't harm you know, any people that we desire 969 00:58:18,270 --> 00:58:20,220 to stay around. Um, 970 00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:25,590 well, you know, this, roll it out. This is exactly what, and 971 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:28,290 it's kind of interesting in context of today. This is 972 00:58:28,290 --> 00:58:34,170 exactly how gay men felt of all colors. But all game all gay men 973 00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:37,890 felt that they were being targeted. And Fauci if this was 974 00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:41,220 in the press this was this was it mainstream Fauci is killing 975 00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:43,290 gay men to depopulate 976 00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:46,740 Well, this is Wargaming out right you know, we know we're 977 00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:52,200 safe and heterosexual white people are pretty much be safe 978 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,730 because that are adhering to the Judeo Christian stay inside your 979 00:58:56,730 --> 00:58:58,170 marriage. So they're good. 980 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,640 Yeah. Oh, yeah. You mean the way the way they thought or the or 981 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,480 just the way the loser Peabody? I'm sorry, gotcha. Yes, I'm 982 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:06,750 thinking. 983 00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:08,160 I'm thinking, 984 00:59:08,610 --> 00:59:09,480 I see the tongue. 985 00:59:09,539 --> 00:59:16,799 Alright. Um, it won't spill over. And if it does spill over 986 00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:20,639 aravis theory, their participant in buggery, or we feel 987 00:59:20,729 --> 00:59:26,789 undesirable. Today need to go to Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah. 988 00:59:27,540 --> 00:59:32,220 Look, the the slogan age is crowd control existed a long 989 00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:36,390 time ago. This was definitely definitely a thought at the 990 00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:39,840 time. Yeah, of course. But I didn't know about this 1% That's 991 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,380 kind of cool. To lizards. Good. 992 00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:46,860 Alright, so I'm just this is a little snippet. Just 30 seconds. 993 00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:51,600 Just to hear you hear the financial aspect of 3.5 994 00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:54,750 Dr. Fauci what does this do though, for the drug companies 995 00:59:54,780 --> 00:59:57,540 around the world we had Sanofi adventus and I believe it was 996 00:59:57,540 --> 01:00:00,240 Vax Jen who had the two vaccinations that were brought 997 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,660 together in this recent development, does it harness 998 01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:06,660 everyone involved because of this kind of big step forward? 999 01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:10,200 You know, I can't speak for pharmaceutical companies, I'm 1000 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,990 sorry that they're gonna make their decisions, their business 1001 01:00:12,990 --> 01:00:15,600 decisions based on what they do internally. 1002 01:00:16,830 --> 01:00:18,660 Do you think they'll be more interested though with this 1003 01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:19,260 development? 1004 01:00:19,470 --> 01:00:22,350 Well, then that's a no brainer. Of course, they're gonna be more 1005 01:00:22,350 --> 01:00:25,170 interested in it if you have a successful product. Alright, 1006 01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:27,720 we're gonna leave it there. Dr. Fatty thanks so much, Dr. Fauci, 1007 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,820 Director of the National Institute of Allergy and 1008 01:00:29,820 --> 01:00:30,990 Infectious Disease. 1009 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,070 Very interesting collaboration there just like Pfizer bio in 1010 01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:35,520 tech. 1011 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,910 They were pressing them hard for like, this the stock like give 1012 01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:39,030 us 1013 01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:44,220 Yes, and this is what's so crazy. So if you look at the 1014 01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:50,280 players in the, in the COVID, vaccinations, the like, Maderna, 1015 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,190 that that wasn't even it was it barely accompany and was just 1016 01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:57,000 one big failed glob of crap. And then everyone piled in, everyone 1017 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,690 was buying shares, and you know, there's stock has gone up, like 1018 01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:03,630 $300 or something. It's crazy. 1019 01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:06,540 You know, and I would like to see who those smaller companies 1020 01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:11,130 that were listed in that part. were tied to right, because 1021 01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:13,380 they're not that kind of probably like the Madonna of 1022 01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:16,680 their time. Oh, sure. Like, you know, these little outlets, 1023 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:17,430 yeah, like bio 1024 01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:19,800 and tech Maderna. You know, those are much smaller. And then 1025 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,590 of course, you have Pfizer, which is, which is the big, 1026 01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:25,320 they've got the sales, they've got the road, they got the 1027 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,450 Rolodex, they got the the sales channel. 1028 01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:31,440 Well, now we're gonna fast forward to present day and this 1029 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,340 is Fauci. He was brought on in MSNBC to talk about the 1030 01:01:35,340 --> 01:01:39,750 possibilities of an AIDS vaccine now that we've seen with 1031 01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:40,530 COVID-19, 1032 01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:44,490 let me ask you about actually the point about developing a 1033 01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:49,470 vaccine 40 years into your work on HIV and AIDS. Does the 1034 01:01:49,470 --> 01:01:52,200 development process and the success with the COVID vaccines 1035 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,500 give us? Should that give us any new hope for an HIV vaccine? 1036 01:01:57,420 --> 01:02:00,600 Absolutely, absolutely. And that's a really good question. 1037 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,280 Because the technologies that were developed the mRNA 1038 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:11,850 technology, the success of using a very elegant techniques, have 1039 01:02:11,850 --> 01:02:16,140 the conformational correct form of the image in in the right 1040 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:20,310 form to engage the immune system to optimally make a good 1041 01:02:20,310 --> 01:02:24,120 response. You know, it was back and forth, Rachel, what was done 1042 01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:30,480 with HIV, early on the unsuccessful with a vaccine went 1043 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,970 a long way to make success for the COVID-19 vaccines. And the 1044 01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:39,720 technologies that have now been perfected, particularly the mRNA 1045 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,430 technology, and other vaccine platforms that were perfected, 1046 01:02:44,610 --> 01:02:50,490 and used in COVID-19, I believe strongly will go back and be 1047 01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:55,410 able to really forward and advance the HIV effort. In fact, 1048 01:02:55,650 --> 01:02:59,850 there are scientists right now, even as we speak, that are using 1049 01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:04,020 what the COVID-19 effort has inspired us to do to start 1050 01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:08,730 working on that for HIV. So it's just science at its best, you 1051 01:03:08,730 --> 01:03:13,020 know, contributions back and forth, with the fundamental core 1052 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:17,130 of it being the investment that one makes in basic biomedical 1053 01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:22,560 research, which is really the resounding success story of the 1054 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:27,180 scientific approach to COVID-19 vaccines, and it has resulted in 1055 01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:30,060 already saving millions of lives. 1056 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,220 Oh, saving lives. Oh, my goodness. Okay. Just something 1057 01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:39,810 just struck me. Earlier, we heard in the clip that the 1058 01:03:39,810 --> 01:03:43,470 efficacy of what you and I are presuming is early mRNA. 1059 01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:49,620 Technology was 37%. And that was so if you look at the now not 1060 01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:53,940 the absolute, you know, relative, if you look at what 1061 01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:57,300 they're touting his efficacy, you know, I started off it at 1062 01:03:57,330 --> 01:04:03,300 9998 97. Do you know where it is today? Admittedly, it's around 1063 01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:09,180 37%. This is very interesting. This is very interesting. Yes, 1064 01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:11,760 this is fantastic. This is a find. 1065 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,110 But also, my question is if you've been sitting on this 1066 01:04:16,110 --> 01:04:20,340 technology, and you've been the number one age guy for 40 years, 1067 01:04:21,210 --> 01:04:26,670 and it's clear that you've had this breakthrough in 2009 Wow, 1068 01:04:26,670 --> 01:04:29,670 we're just not hearing about getting getting around to AIDS 1069 01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:32,040 vaccine. That should have been the leader. 1070 01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:34,200 Don't Yeah, 1071 01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:38,430 I think I'm just I'm just saying like from saving lives aspect, 1072 01:04:38,430 --> 01:04:42,330 I'm just acting in good faith. Oh, and we got famous killing 1073 01:04:42,330 --> 01:04:45,660 people. And we're still still spreading. And this has been my 1074 01:04:45,660 --> 01:04:52,350 life's purpose is to defeat to defeat this monster. Call aids. 1075 01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:56,820 Why didn't you kick it off to them first. 1076 01:04:58,110 --> 01:05:02,310 Wasn't ready, man. Oh, it wasn't 1077 01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:07,860 like this like me and I'm gonna give you an analogy. That's like 1078 01:05:07,890 --> 01:05:13,290 a, you lose your wallet. And then I don't say anything and 1079 01:05:13,290 --> 01:05:15,750 then you ask, Hey, have you seen my wallet? And I'm like, yeah, 1080 01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:19,050 it's right here. Yeah. I had to hold down while the whole damn 1081 01:05:19,050 --> 01:05:23,190 time. Yeah, that's pretty much it. It's uh, that's not 1082 01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:24,480 troubling the people shady. 1083 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,490 Yeah, this whole this whole show is troubling to people. Mo. 1084 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,780 You just sitting here sitting on the answer is not gonna He's not 1085 01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:34,800 gonna fork it over. 1086 01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:38,370 Yeah. Till he was waiting a lot. He was waiting for him. He was 1087 01:05:38,370 --> 01:05:41,820 waiting for a bigger market. Come on the whole world versus a 1088 01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:43,770 bunch of gays. Come on. Wow. 1089 01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:47,190 Almost say I'm asked this. Good to go on the other side of 1090 01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:49,680 sinister side of it and remind people this is not a cover show. 1091 01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:57,000 It couldn't be that your big fear of having multiple gay 1092 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,420 people falling dead? is bad. 1093 01:06:03,150 --> 01:06:03,990 Say that, again. 1094 01:06:04,439 --> 01:06:08,129 Having multiple people gay people are dead from your HIV 1095 01:06:08,129 --> 01:06:08,759 vaccine. 1096 01:06:08,910 --> 01:06:12,810 Oh, you know, that would be very bad. Yes. Oh, okay. Hold on. 1097 01:06:12,810 --> 01:06:16,920 Stop. I'm with you. Okay, so he let's roll. Let's game it out 1098 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,510 again, shall we? Okay, sure. So we know that the real moneymaker 1099 01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:25,680 long term, because it won't be necessarily a public health 1100 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,900 crisis like COVID is things like the UN AIDS vaccine. Why? 1101 01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:34,470 Because, you know, everyone who wants to have sex is gonna is 1102 01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:39,240 gonna want to have this vaccine. And 60 is completely voluntary. 1103 01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,820 You don't have to mandate it, everyone will be like, Hey, man, 1104 01:06:41,820 --> 01:06:47,760 I might as well do it. So what they're doing now is they're at 1105 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,900 now they're actually perfecting it with this massive scale, and 1106 01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:55,170 a whole bunch of people where we have the media and politicians 1107 01:06:55,170 --> 01:06:59,100 and a lot of stakeholders, covering up the adverse events, 1108 01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:05,100 the deaths, all this stuff, and I should say it and distracting 1109 01:07:05,490 --> 01:07:08,940 while they are literally tweaking this, they're tweaking 1110 01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:12,930 this stuff. And and it's for longer term goals, like aids 1111 01:07:12,930 --> 01:07:16,080 like cancer, etc, etc. This so now, 1112 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,310 I'm sorry, you can't start with because you can't start with a 1113 01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:20,760 no, no, 1114 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,430 you're no, no, you're absolutely right. Because if people died of 1115 01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:25,950 AIDS, you killing gay people, you can't do that. But if it's 1116 01:07:25,950 --> 01:07:28,530 just a whole bunch of suckers, you know, who don't really hear 1117 01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:32,010 about and then wherever, just poor people, rich people, you 1118 01:07:32,010 --> 01:07:33,960 know, once in a while we get a celebrity. Don't worry, we'll 1119 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,290 cover that up. You know, that was a complication from COVID 1120 01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:40,170 wasn't a vaccine or anything like that. What I 1121 01:07:40,170 --> 01:07:42,000 learned from the first time of 1122 01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:48,510 that, yeah, but so Fauci Yeah, he's at now, so it's probably 1123 01:07:48,510 --> 01:07:51,240 only got a couple more years, so time to get this Gone With the 1124 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,140 aid stuff, too. 1125 01:07:53,220 --> 01:07:57,060 Yeah, so I just want to know, that's really good. Yeah, yep. 1126 01:07:57,090 --> 01:08:00,900 Yep, yep. Yep. So now we're going back to the Vox segment, 1127 01:08:01,170 --> 01:08:03,120 Dr. Fauci explain three. 1128 01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:07,860 She was named director of Nyad. In 1984. In the then director of 1129 01:08:07,860 --> 01:08:10,590 Health and Human Services, highlighted Fauci his background 1130 01:08:10,650 --> 01:08:14,820 in immunology and infectious diseases as a main reason for 1131 01:08:14,820 --> 01:08:15,480 his appointment. 1132 01:08:15,689 --> 01:08:20,519 A major effort was directed at determining if a variant of this 1133 01:08:20,519 --> 01:08:24,869 virus could actually cause depletion of lymphocytes, or 1134 01:08:24,929 --> 01:08:28,289 acquired immunodeficiency syndrome. And as it turned out, 1135 01:08:28,589 --> 01:08:31,679 a variant of that virus in fact, causing 1136 01:08:31,709 --> 01:08:34,949 the syndrome Joshi is leading early research helped define 1137 01:08:34,949 --> 01:08:39,209 Nyad as the central NIH institute for AIDS, he made it a 1138 01:08:39,209 --> 01:08:42,179 point to be the person communicating key findings to 1139 01:08:42,179 --> 01:08:43,529 the public in media. 1140 01:08:43,830 --> 01:08:49,230 The scientific data is overwhelming that in fact, AIDS 1141 01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:53,370 cannot be transmitted by casual contact, 1142 01:08:53,489 --> 01:08:56,609 but it was a later political test that shows how Fauci 1143 01:08:56,609 --> 01:09:03,089 navigated the AIDS crisis and secured his career. In summer of 1144 01:09:03,089 --> 01:09:06,959 1988, playwright Larry Kramer wrote an open letter to Anthony 1145 01:09:06,959 --> 01:09:10,919 Fauci calling him an incompetent idiot and a murderer. His 1146 01:09:10,919 --> 01:09:14,249 opinion was broadly reflective of activists, most notably the 1147 01:09:14,249 --> 01:09:18,539 organization Kramer inspired the AIDS coalition to unleash power 1148 01:09:18,899 --> 01:09:24,809 or act. In 1986, Fauci had reinforced his position as the 1149 01:09:24,809 --> 01:09:28,049 leading scientist for the Federal aids effort, he created 1150 01:09:28,049 --> 01:09:31,439 a new division to focus on the disease and earned other 1151 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,429 significant NIH posts. But progress was slow, especially 1152 01:09:35,429 --> 01:09:39,509 for diseases as deadly as AIDS where patients died on average 1153 01:09:39,569 --> 01:09:41,969 15 months after diagnosis. 1154 01:09:44,999 --> 01:09:48,629 So this goes to speak, speak about previously you can't have 1155 01:09:48,659 --> 01:09:51,389 the dead bodies in the street and he caught a lot of color 1156 01:09:51,419 --> 01:09:55,739 caught a lot of flack from it. From Larry Kramer so 1157 01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:59,490 yeah, a lot of this is coming back now. Okay. Yeah. 1158 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,930 A lot a lot of parallels and one thing he did say he used the 1159 01:10:03,930 --> 01:10:07,410 word variant there's well yeah, remember this is not a COVID 1160 01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:12,480 show. And it's not and he said 19 That was 1984 I think he was 1161 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:17,850 making that speech that they segment it. I saw this with a 1162 01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:20,880 dress. I saw it but I didn't clip anything from it because 1163 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,020 it's very tedious to follow through but yet he used the word 1164 01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:28,110 so is the other HIV is out here. I know there was a like I said, 1165 01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:30,810 urban legend. Just go about what we got to talk about was talking 1166 01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:33,780 to tie up here. Not the medicine ball. I 1167 01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:37,710 never had never heard of this. Just another good. I never heard 1168 01:10:37,740 --> 01:10:39,690 of a an HIV variant. 1169 01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:43,230 I did. You did? Yes. Super aids. 1170 01:10:44,730 --> 01:10:49,710 Yeah, okay. I recall super aids. Yeah. But where'd it go? 1171 01:10:50,670 --> 01:10:52,830 Superman got it and took it away. I don't know. 1172 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,020 Where did it come into that? It's probably the publication's 1173 01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:02,490 reread, but a lot of the like hip hop and hip hop had a lot to 1174 01:11:02,490 --> 01:11:06,450 do with AIDS as well. And just for I'm gonna show you how 1175 01:11:06,450 --> 01:11:14,340 powerful the AIDS Initiative was. The firt the intro song was 1176 01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:17,160 a song by old dirty bastard. Yep. It's called Shimmy Shimmy. 1177 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,510 Ah, and the hook goes, Ooh, baby. I like it. Raul. He was 1178 01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:26,160 and they made him change that. Oh, really? Actually record a 1179 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:26,940 PSA. 1180 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:32,820 Oh, really? Yes. Cheese. So that that must have been at the 1181 01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:37,800 height of because it means to the money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1182 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,700 Even even earlier, even earlier that the money that was that was 1183 01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:48,540 being spent on. On aids advocacy was an real mo I've been i i 1184 01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:53,820 Remember with someone else's money. I bought Michael 1185 01:11:53,820 --> 01:12:01,230 Jackson's fedora hat. Which I think I think it was like three 1186 01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:05,340 and a half $1,000 as it some benefits, which I then gave away 1187 01:12:05,340 --> 01:12:09,810 of course, as a as some radio promotion. But the point was, 1188 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,310 that was just me. There was a lot of money flowing. It was 1189 01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:15,120 crazy. 1190 01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:20,190 And it still is because Getting tested is a huge thing. You know 1191 01:12:20,190 --> 01:12:21,180 your status right now I'm 1192 01:12:21,180 --> 01:12:25,770 just talking about marketing and Hollywood and that that was 1193 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,610 unparalleled at the time to concerts, Elton John. 1194 01:12:31,949 --> 01:12:35,069 So I guess we won't get to part four explained. 1195 01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:38,580 Fauci, Nyad. Were responsible for starting trials for new 1196 01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:45,120 drugs, which the FDA required for approval. In June 1986 Nyad 1197 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,000 created a network of clinical trials centers around the 1198 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,910 country, though they were criticized as ineffective. 1199 01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:57,090 Activists argued that the NIH, the FDA, and leadership up to 1200 01:12:57,090 --> 01:13:04,890 prison Reagan had failed to take the crisis seriously. This photo 1201 01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:09,300 from an October 1988 protest shows the key complaints at the 1202 01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:13,260 time, the FDA is lengthy drug approvals required strict 1203 01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:17,400 scientific clinical trials. It was textbook science, but the 1204 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,020 disease killed at a faster pace than the FDA is process. If you 1205 01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:24,960 entered a trial, a certain percentage of patients got the 1206 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,440 drug and a certain percentage got a placebo. This helped test 1207 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:31,500 if the drugs were safe, and if they really worked, that was 1208 01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:35,700 important because many AIDS drugs didn't pan out. But with 1209 01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:39,840 AIDS getting a placebo was a death sentence. And that meant 1210 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,800 fewer volunteers for clinical trials. The epidemic needed a 1211 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,770 radical approach, but experimental approaches like 1212 01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:50,850 aerosolized pentamidine weren't being approved. The drug helped 1213 01:13:50,850 --> 01:13:54,300 treat one of the most common infections caused by AIDS yet 1214 01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:57,750 trials had been delayed by Nyan which Fauci blamed on 1215 01:13:57,780 --> 01:14:01,020 insufficient staff. Under Pressure, he acknowledged the 1216 01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:05,280 approval problem in 1988. He testified in Congress that he 1217 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,340 would go for what is available on the street if he were a 1218 01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:11,760 patient, a blunt rebuke to FDA policy keeping these new 1219 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,140 approaches that have reached 1220 01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:15,540 that point, we got the buyers clubs 1221 01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:20,340 called go to what's available on the street, huh? Wow. 1222 01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:27,240 Wow. Holy crap. 1223 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:32,280 Try that now. Yeah. But, um, keep it. Anything you would like 1224 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:33,960 to say about that. Now? That's a lot. It was a lot. 1225 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:39,030 No. No, I'm just letting it flow. Let it flow over 1226 01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:42,810 me. Well, this will be in conjunction with the previous 1227 01:14:42,810 --> 01:14:46,230 clip. This is actually I have Larry Kramer. Okay, this is him. 1228 01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:50,940 This is him getting angry and this is at the Connecticut form. 1229 01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:54,060 In 1993. The president 1230 01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:57,240 promised to appoint his most important White House 1231 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,400 appointments within by the time he was alive. Did he campaign 1232 01:15:05,070 --> 01:15:09,570 that the aid czar would be one of these? There is no aid czar. 1233 01:15:10,410 --> 01:15:14,580 There is no person that they're even interviewing for an aid SAR 1234 01:15:18,180 --> 01:15:26,220 I fear and I dread to make a prediction. But I fear that 1235 01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:30,690 these next four years, as far as aids are concerned, are going to 1236 01:15:30,690 --> 01:15:39,870 be just as bad as the last eight years. 12 years. No, I know 1237 01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:44,970 we're supposed to be nice to him. Give him his honeymoon. I 1238 01:15:44,970 --> 01:15:48,030 haven't got time for a honeymoon. Mary Fisher doesn't 1239 01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:52,710 have time for a honeymoon. This doctor here from your own city 1240 01:15:52,710 --> 01:15:56,490 doesn't have time for honeymoon. 1 billion people don't have time 1241 01:15:56,490 --> 01:16:01,170 for a honeymoon. I see a red light is on up there. I guess 1242 01:16:01,170 --> 01:16:05,940 I've exceeded my six minutes. What have I learned in the last 1243 01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:11,010 12 years? Is the question that is always asked me on 1244 01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:20,880 interviews. I went to Yale I was assistant to the president of 1245 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:25,380 two major United States corporations, Columbia Pictures 1246 01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:30,000 and United Artists Corporation. I have made films that have won 1247 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,800 the Academy Awards. I have an Academy Award nomination myself. 1248 01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:42,210 I am a rich man. in monetary terms. In the last 12 years, I 1249 01:16:42,210 --> 01:16:49,410 have learned what it is like to be treated like a cake. Like a 1250 01:16:49,410 --> 01:16:53,610 nigger. Like a sick, like a faggot, like a piece of shit. I 1251 01:16:53,610 --> 01:17:01,980 have learned that people are not very nice that there is no such 1252 01:17:01,980 --> 01:17:09,960 thing as the Judeo Christian tradition. And that intentional 1253 01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,800 genocide is allowed. 1254 01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:22,530 You know, what's really remarkable is how loud these 1255 01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:31,380 voices were back in the day. Gay men, and they have zero voice. 1256 01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:36,510 Now gay men are you know, they're just they're outcast. 1257 01:17:37,380 --> 01:17:39,120 And they lead a lot of this. 1258 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,080 Yeah. And that's the thing. The 1259 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:43,980 power is gone. 1260 01:17:43,980 --> 01:17:48,240 It's just been removed. Well, it's been co opted by, of 1261 01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,730 course, in their community. They've been there experienced 1262 01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:54,480 the same thing. Yes. And it's not 1263 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:59,190 the it's been co opted by actual trans lives matters, etc. 1264 01:17:59,670 --> 01:18:02,700 Well, it's not your preference of sexual preference is the 1265 01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:06,720 issue of masculinity period. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah, good. Man. 1266 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,650 Gotta go man. Black man gotta go white man. Gotta go gay man. 1267 01:18:10,650 --> 01:18:15,780 Gotta go man have to go and nasty whole plans to marginalize 1268 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:18,780 all these other groups? Because like you said, to the point 1269 01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:22,290 where you're actually being kicked out of your group. I 1270 01:18:22,290 --> 01:18:25,470 mean, we're all we're all experiencing this. 1271 01:18:25,530 --> 01:18:28,920 What do you think they want to do with us? We mean, 1272 01:18:30,210 --> 01:18:35,640 we only need a few one of us per 1000. What 10,000? I mean, 1273 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,850 I mean, why not? Just do it, like the old Egyptian de js. You 1274 01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:42,270 know, like, like, Cleopatra. You know, she has, you will be 1275 01:18:42,270 --> 01:18:45,540 slaves. She was okay to sex slaves. Just feed us. Let's have 1276 01:18:45,540 --> 01:18:46,680 football. But you 1277 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:53,070 don't need a lot of them. Yeah, I know. I mean, well, to give a 1278 01:18:53,070 --> 01:19:00,510 parallel, they want to make us a Unix in a way. Unless you have 1279 01:19:00,510 --> 01:19:03,960 something to offer sexually attracted me like you always 1280 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:08,220 pointed out attracted me and don't get me to correct a lot. 1281 01:19:08,340 --> 01:19:11,490 You don't have anything to offer sexually. Then you're basically 1282 01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:15,420 Unix shut up and just do work and keep your head down. Yeah. 1283 01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:20,910 And that goes for all that goes for all men. Yes. Crazy. You 1284 01:19:20,910 --> 01:19:23,910 thought he thought he thought you know that. And what's 1285 01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:28,680 happening now is he experienced that as a white man then. Yeah. 1286 01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:33,120 To say, oh, even white man could be genocide. Yeah, that was new 1287 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,970 for him. Now he you heard the words that he used this when he 1288 01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:39,810 was going through it right now is gay men are experiencing that 1289 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:49,200 because they kicked in the LGBT the LGBT LGB GBT door and now 1290 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,080 they're like, Shut up and sit in the corner. Oh, yeah, no, this 1291 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,450 is that man kicked in there still right door Now shut up and 1292 01:19:54,450 --> 01:19:55,890 get in the corner. It's an insult 1293 01:19:55,890 --> 01:19:58,920 that they're included in the acronym. Yeah, there should be 1294 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,520 no G in the URL. TBBT QQ IA P k plus 1295 01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:09,570 where there there the Green Man or the black, the white. I'm 1296 01:20:09,570 --> 01:20:11,610 just saying, but I'm just gonna illustrate your point in further 1297 01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:14,280 this thing where they say black men are the white men of black 1298 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:18,720 people, gay men on the straight men of gay people 1299 01:20:24,210 --> 01:20:27,330 I know what you mean. She said, she said really weird. 1300 01:20:28,020 --> 01:20:32,700 And it sounds weird we use that I'm the white person or black 1301 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:35,580 people. What is the saying things like now? Now you're the 1302 01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:36,450 dominant factor. And I 1303 01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:39,480 agree well, no. So you gotta go. Okay, so the so clearly what we 1304 01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:41,760 have to do is we have to turn it around, since we all know the 1305 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:46,350 black man goes first. Have we need to lift the black man up 1306 01:20:46,350 --> 01:20:50,910 to, uh, to lead that return back into our rightful place 1307 01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:56,130 where you restore it, what you restore is a masculine society. 1308 01:20:56,130 --> 01:20:59,760 And that's not led in a sense of, oh, you know, like 1309 01:20:59,820 --> 01:21:05,100 oppression. That's in, you know, fatherly, that's why the 1310 01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:08,790 patriarchy is that so it's so under attack, under attack, 1311 01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:10,440 because it's about leadership. Right? 1312 01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:14,850 Well, exactly. But you know what, right now, I only see 1313 01:21:14,850 --> 01:21:18,630 black men standing up and saying this, you Jason Whitlock 1314 01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:21,180 recently on, I think I saw him on Tucker doing this. 1315 01:21:23,970 --> 01:21:27,420 What were your back against the walk? See, a lot of these other 1316 01:21:27,420 --> 01:21:31,050 groups think they're just there's negotiation. We realize 1317 01:21:31,050 --> 01:21:34,290 they're negotiating. There's no negotiating, right? I mean, 1318 01:21:34,830 --> 01:21:40,710 what? There's no I mean, like, we were at the bottom, like, 1319 01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:43,110 messing this gonna lead us great. It's another clip what 1320 01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:46,500 he's felt what he thought he can negotiate. Like, he was talking 1321 01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:49,080 about Clinton, he was like, Well, it'd be nice to give us 1322 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,620 honeymoon days. No honeymoon period. Right? There's, we knew 1323 01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:55,650 how was going to happen after the 2020 election. We were 1324 01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:58,530 ready. We had batten hatches, like we knew what was gonna 1325 01:21:58,530 --> 01:21:58,920 happen. 1326 01:21:59,310 --> 01:22:03,150 So when you say when you say when you say we is there a phone 1327 01:22:03,150 --> 01:22:05,370 call that I should be on from time to time or 1328 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:12,480 no? A psychological thing like formation, right? It can happen 1329 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:16,470 both ways. Yeah. Get your mind around the idea. And you're 1330 01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:18,360 looking to the left and right. It's like you're gonna see it 1331 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,810 everywhere you need to. Yeah, so I want to get into the point of 1332 01:22:21,810 --> 01:22:25,800 benign neglect. And that's what Larry Clayman Kramer was 1333 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:30,780 experiencing. And this is Dr. Francis Cresswell Singh. She's 1334 01:22:30,780 --> 01:22:34,050 gonna explain what benign benign neglect is. 1335 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:40,590 What racism, white supremacy is the effect racism because the 1336 01:22:40,590 --> 01:22:45,420 more the victims of racism and white supremacy are kept in a 1337 01:22:45,420 --> 01:22:52,170 state of ignorance, then that enhances the strength of the 1338 01:22:52,170 --> 01:23:00,390 system itself. And every effort is made to block black people 1339 01:23:00,390 --> 01:23:05,040 penetrating and having an in depth understanding of racism. 1340 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,120 White supremacy, is my understanding that the Attorney 1341 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,020 General Eric Holder in commenting upon the Supreme 1342 01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:19,350 Court, Chief Justice said that the chief justices said the way 1343 01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:25,080 to deal with racism is to not talk about it. That would be the 1344 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,100 same in medicine, the way to deal with cancer is to not talk 1345 01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:33,690 about it. Then the patient and everybody else who might be 1346 01:23:33,690 --> 01:23:39,060 afflicted with cancer, they just go forward and die. Because it's 1347 01:23:39,060 --> 01:23:44,490 being ignored, or be given benign neglect. I think that was 1348 01:23:44,490 --> 01:23:48,660 President Reagan's term about how to deal with racism. 1349 01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:54,270 So that's what you alluded to about Jason Whitlock and what we 1350 01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:57,090 do here at the show, you've heard it several other people 1351 01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:01,440 that we rely shutting up is what they want us to do. 1352 01:24:01,470 --> 01:24:05,940 Yeah, this is just an end. No, no, no, 1353 01:24:05,940 --> 01:24:08,580 we're going out kicking and screaming if we're gonna go out, 1354 01:24:09,150 --> 01:24:09,720 speaking in 1355 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,730 the mic, all the way mo all the way. 1356 01:24:13,170 --> 01:24:17,250 So let's see. Now okay, now we got to go back because this is a 1357 01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,150 throwback clip from a show 44 That was big bang, big Big Bang 1358 01:24:21,150 --> 01:24:26,400 Barry told about Brock Obama. And this is Reverend Wright, and 1359 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,550 it's something that we didn't catch in there. I'm not gonna 1360 01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:33,000 say it. I want you to listen to it context of what we're talking 1361 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,340 about now. And the United 1362 01:24:35,340 --> 01:24:39,150 States of America government when it came to treating her 1363 01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:44,370 citizens of Indian descent, fairly, she failed. She put them 1364 01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:48,270 on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of 1365 01:24:48,270 --> 01:24:52,140 Japanese descent fairly. She failed. She put them in 1366 01:24:52,140 --> 01:24:56,460 internment prison camps. When it came to treating the citizens of 1367 01:24:56,460 --> 01:25:01,320 African descent fairly American failed. She puts demand, change 1368 01:25:01,410 --> 01:25:05,250 the government, put them on slave quarters, put them on 1369 01:25:05,250 --> 01:25:09,450 action block auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, let them 1370 01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:13,740 in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, let them in 1371 01:25:13,740 --> 01:25:16,920 scientific experience, stillness, put them in the 1372 01:25:17,010 --> 01:25:21,300 lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of 1373 01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:25,320 the law, kicked them out of their racist vaccines of higher 1374 01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,220 education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and 1375 01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:33,180 helplessness. The government gives him the drugs them bigger 1376 01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:37,320 prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing 1377 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:42,990 God bless America. No, no, no, not God bless America. God damn 1378 01:25:42,990 --> 01:25:48,870 America. The Bible for killing innocent people. Damn America. 1379 01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:54,870 Citizen. Human God damn. Holy See. 1380 01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:05,340 Free man that was that was so assassinated in the media. Yes. 1381 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:11,190 Oh, my goodness. But Obama was embarrassed by it himself. Well, 1382 01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:16,979 there's a he, first of all, being associated with somebody 1383 01:26:17,039 --> 01:26:19,919 who speaks like that with that tone. The tone itself? Yeah. You 1384 01:26:19,919 --> 01:26:24,629 know, he played. He played I'm nice. And I'm not I'm not 1385 01:26:24,659 --> 01:26:30,959 threatening. I'll just know. I'll be quiet. You heard? Not, 1386 01:26:30,959 --> 01:26:35,369 for instance, Chris Wilson. loot. Eric Holder, one of his 1387 01:26:35,369 --> 01:26:38,309 pics of just don't talk about it, you know, just don't talk 1388 01:26:38,309 --> 01:26:41,399 about and this was bad for the messaging. Yeah. So they had to 1389 01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:46,349 condemn him? Well, one of the things Jeremiah Wright was known 1390 01:26:46,349 --> 01:26:51,479 about was preaching about AIDS and where it came from. And 1391 01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,570 your sermon he said, the government lied about inventing 1392 01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:58,380 the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of 1393 01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:01,560 color. So I asked you Do you honestly believe your statement 1394 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:02,580 and those words? 1395 01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:06,810 Have you read Horowitz's book emerging viruses, AIDS and 1396 01:27:06,810 --> 01:27:10,890 Ebola? Whoever wrote that question, have you read medical 1397 01:27:10,890 --> 01:27:19,500 apartheid? You read it? You honestly five? No questions from 1398 01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:24,390 the floor. I read different things. As I said to my members, 1399 01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:27,960 if you haven't read things, and you can't, yeah, based on this 1400 01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:31,590 Tuskegee experiment, and based on what has happened to Africans 1401 01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:34,170 in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing 1402 01:27:34,170 --> 01:27:40,110 anything in fact, in fact, in fact, one of the one of the 1403 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,840 responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological 1404 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,960 warfare was a non question because all we had to do was 1405 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,980 check the sales record. We sold him those biological weapons 1406 01:27:52,980 --> 01:27:55,710 that he was using against his own people. So any type of 1407 01:27:55,710 --> 01:27:58,230 government can put together biological warfare to kill 1408 01:27:58,230 --> 01:28:02,250 people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold 1409 01:28:02,250 --> 01:28:04,530 them. Yes, I believe we are capable. 1410 01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:08,399 Mm hmm. That's the part you didn't hear about. 1411 01:28:09,779 --> 01:28:13,979 I recalled, I recall the clip, but no, for all for all intents 1412 01:28:13,979 --> 01:28:15,569 and purposes, no, no one heard that. 1413 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,890 Did you hear him engaged to ski? 1414 01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:21,000 Yes course. 1415 01:28:21,569 --> 01:28:24,359 That's what I'm talking about. Here. The floor push back in my 1416 01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:27,509 age. It was like there was an uproar. He's like, Okay, I need 1417 01:28:27,509 --> 01:28:30,929 to, you're saying to get them off for me? Yeah, Tuskegee, 1418 01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:31,949 right. 1419 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,730 We call that. Oh, yeah. We have a term benign neglect. 1420 01:28:40,199 --> 01:28:43,019 What is it? And what is it reflexive thing? Like get up off 1421 01:28:43,019 --> 01:28:46,499 me? Yeah, of course. Of course. Give me time to think about an 1422 01:28:46,499 --> 01:28:51,719 answer me. Japanese out of that, you know, I was a great example 1423 01:28:51,719 --> 01:28:55,379 of, of what I've been saying about how tuskys You and me 1424 01:28:55,379 --> 01:28:59,219 we've talked about underlying about not trust doctors period, 1425 01:28:59,489 --> 01:29:02,609 as far as I know, are the solutions they have 1426 01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:07,109 to ski is also it's also great, because because, as you point 1427 01:29:07,109 --> 01:29:09,569 out, it's like this, get off my back. Let me think about some 1428 01:29:09,569 --> 01:29:12,959 more here. So I'll just throw it to ski to ski long. It's hard to 1429 01:29:12,959 --> 01:29:15,929 say it's interesting. You don't really hear it. You have to make 1430 01:29:15,929 --> 01:29:19,919 sure you don't say Tuskegee Airmen. You know, it's like it's 1431 01:29:19,919 --> 01:29:22,109 a really good one because I think it's relatively short, but 1432 01:29:22,109 --> 01:29:24,839 it gives you double the punch on how much more time you got to 1433 01:29:24,839 --> 01:29:27,269 figure out what you're going to say next. Yes, 1434 01:29:27,449 --> 01:29:31,139 and I just want to lay that out. But he lays out some some heavy 1435 01:29:31,139 --> 01:29:35,249 names there. Horwitz and other people, but before we do that, 1436 01:29:35,459 --> 01:29:39,659 we got a show appreciation to the people that make this 1437 01:29:39,899 --> 01:29:40,379 possible. 1438 01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:42,630 Yes. And let us explain how we do it. 1439 01:29:42,989 --> 01:29:46,259 The white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at 1440 01:29:46,259 --> 01:29:49,319 the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his 1441 01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:51,929 mind without hurting the feelings are both Negro and the 1442 01:29:51,929 --> 01:29:55,019 so called Negro has to feel free to speak in the mind without 1443 01:29:55,019 --> 01:29:57,719 hurting the feeling of the white man. Then they can bring the 1444 01:29:57,719 --> 01:30:00,569 issues that are under the rug out on top of the table. Take an 1445 01:30:00,569 --> 01:30:03,089 intelligent approach to get the problem solved. What's the only 1446 01:30:03,089 --> 01:30:04,319 way to do it? 1447 01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:10,620 Words To Live By. And I think everyone who produces the show 1448 01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:14,040 with us agrees in that as a great way to live. And 1449 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,380 everyone's doing it. We'd like to note that you're sending with 1450 01:30:16,380 --> 01:30:20,220 your support with your donations. And we need to thank 1451 01:30:20,220 --> 01:30:22,530 our executive producers and Associate Executive producers 1452 01:30:22,530 --> 01:30:26,280 for episode 69. We're well on schedule. So thank you all for 1453 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:30,180 supporting us regularly. It's value for value, all the work 1454 01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:35,820 that goes in the coordination, the planning the growth that we 1455 01:30:35,820 --> 01:30:39,990 have coming and and some security for everybody is 1456 01:30:40,050 --> 01:30:43,590 credibly welcomed. And you can do that by helping us with your 1457 01:30:43,590 --> 01:30:47,280 time, your talent, your treasure, and everyone seems to 1458 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:51,150 be contributing beautifully. Let's start off with our top 1459 01:30:51,150 --> 01:30:55,770 executive producer. We have a name for that. Shot Karla 20th 1460 01:30:55,770 --> 01:31:00,630 blades on the Impala. This is Peter McCool, who comes in with 1461 01:31:00,630 --> 01:31:07,620 $333.33 Man magic numbers love it and says please didn't beat 1462 01:31:07,620 --> 01:31:07,860 me. 1463 01:31:09,779 --> 01:31:14,819 Congratulations. You're no longer dead, the 1464 01:31:14,850 --> 01:31:18,390 aunties and also be wanting to mow karma. Thank you. Sorry, I'm 1465 01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:21,720 very late to the party joining you guys in episode number 60. 1466 01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:26,370 Well, you can always go back quickly, the more facts podcast 1467 01:31:26,370 --> 01:31:30,570 turned into one of my favorites dropping in my podcast 2.0. Yes, 1468 01:31:30,570 --> 01:31:33,630 we're taking over the world. Question. Before you go to the 1469 01:31:33,630 --> 01:31:36,570 first donation segment and you play the clip of Malcolm X is 1470 01:31:36,570 --> 01:31:40,920 always weirded me out when he says the so called negro. I'm 1471 01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,190 sure I'm missing something. So if you guys have any info on 1472 01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:47,700 that, I'd be stoked Keep up the great work up. Well, I can think 1473 01:31:47,730 --> 01:31:51,030 I think I can take that as the same as the so called black man. 1474 01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:54,990 It's just it's, there's no descriptor. It's also you know, 1475 01:31:54,990 --> 01:31:57,780 it's like the so called white man, I guess. Was a so called 1476 01:31:57,780 --> 01:31:59,730 Yeah, but man. It's 1477 01:31:59,729 --> 01:32:02,699 another components that you That's right. But it's another 1478 01:32:02,699 --> 01:32:06,719 component that is we didn't identify these terms. So yes, 1479 01:32:06,899 --> 01:32:11,669 yes. Like you. This is how you address me. So it's so called, 1480 01:32:11,999 --> 01:32:16,409 but in how macro says and how I say it? We don't have a self 1481 01:32:16,469 --> 01:32:20,999 identify identity yet. It's forming but yet 1482 01:32:21,060 --> 01:32:27,990 yeah. So we could say Hotep I'm just throwing it out Mark 1483 01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:32,760 Yeah. Yeah. But that's that's is the effort we're seeing is 1484 01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,220 happening. That's why I said yet. Now use the word yet 1485 01:32:35,220 --> 01:32:38,730 because, yeah, form that identity is still being formed. 1486 01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,730 Rightly so. Peter McColl, here's your MO karma as requested. 1487 01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:49,440 Thank you very much. Mocha was the Olsen comes in $150 and 1488 01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:53,520 let's see big bank Barry he says and blacking part two question 1489 01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:53,970 mark. 1490 01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:57,480 Hmm, maybe maybe. I mean, 1491 01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,659 anything's possible. Yeah, sure. Anything's possible but we 1492 01:33:00,659 --> 01:33:06,059 appreciate the suggestion for sure. Now we have something here 1493 01:33:06,089 --> 01:33:06,779 from Greg 1494 01:33:07,739 --> 01:33:11,639 because we on last we didn't have couldn't have his email he 1495 01:33:11,639 --> 01:33:18,839 recent it. Um, and along with this sketch. So if you want to 1496 01:33:18,839 --> 01:33:21,359 read either one of those messages, it's up to you 1497 01:33:21,389 --> 01:33:22,169 dealer's choice, 1498 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,470 just resubmitted the make do sketch note and felt like it'd 1499 01:33:25,470 --> 01:33:28,380 be good idea to offer another donation. Thank you. Your older 1500 01:33:28,380 --> 01:33:32,070 shows are keeping me sane, or as I or as close as I can get to it 1501 01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:34,770 in this circus wallet we're holding right now. 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Then we go to Color command Creative 1513 01:34:04,829 --> 01:34:10,049 Studio $105 for an executive producer. Credit love the show. 1514 01:34:10,049 --> 01:34:12,749 I was introduced to you both last year by a previous 1515 01:34:12,809 --> 01:34:16,799 university teacher. I love that. Yeah, yeah, we're helping 1516 01:34:16,799 --> 01:34:17,819 university teachers. 1517 01:34:18,149 --> 01:34:20,459 I hope he's not previous coffees introduced. 1518 01:34:23,609 --> 01:34:26,159 This was about a few months after deciding to start my own 1519 01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:29,309 show. Oh, the shift makers podcast. I use my millennial 1520 01:34:29,339 --> 01:34:32,129 millennial perspective along with a marketing and advertising 1521 01:34:32,129 --> 01:34:35,519 background to get my generation thinking for themselves. 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Hey Mo and Adam. 1531 01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:20,249 This is in celebration for what wouldn't be my dad's 88th 1532 01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:23,369 birthday this past weekend. I would like to donate on his 1533 01:35:23,369 --> 01:35:26,609 behalf. He was a very generous man born during the Great 1534 01:35:26,609 --> 01:35:29,159 Depression. I learned a lot from him. And he was the person that 1535 01:35:29,159 --> 01:35:32,939 taught me that man is only worth his word. I believe he would 1536 01:35:32,939 --> 01:35:35,819 have loved Joel's podcast please keep up the excellent work and a 1537 01:35:35,819 --> 01:35:39,659 biscuit for my dad and a shout out for my dame Amber Diem Amber 1538 01:35:39,839 --> 01:35:43,289 followed by a mo karma for the family. Absolutely, man. Thank 1539 01:35:43,289 --> 01:35:46,139 you very much nice. They always give me a biscuit on my 1540 01:35:46,139 --> 01:35:50,519 birthday. Through an ago sorry. 1541 01:35:51,420 --> 01:35:53,610 You've got mocha 1542 01:35:57,239 --> 01:36:01,349 I'd love this name. Theodora. Dorinda owed Nina. I think 1543 01:36:02,399 --> 01:36:07,109 70 $75.93 And just this thank you and we say thank you 1544 01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:15,059 Theodora then we have $75 from anonymous. Now we have show 1545 01:36:15,059 --> 01:36:20,849 donations i Yes. Did you mention this by any chance on on last 1546 01:36:20,849 --> 01:36:23,759 tapes, we got to get in the habit of that which one which? 1547 01:36:23,909 --> 01:36:27,419 Well, so now we have the show donations we got 69 coming up. 1548 01:36:27,419 --> 01:36:30,959 And of course, we could have anticipated show 69 being a big 1549 01:36:30,959 --> 01:36:35,609 hit. This is a divorce. This is the Dvorak part of the value for 1550 01:36:35,609 --> 01:36:38,789 value model that that I've that I've never really done is to 1551 01:36:38,789 --> 01:36:41,759 remind people that you got a cool number coming up. Okay, 1552 01:36:41,789 --> 01:36:45,209 because people love it. People love it people love doing this. 1553 01:36:45,449 --> 01:36:48,329 So and that's it we started off with Nicholas Woodward now these 1554 01:36:48,329 --> 01:36:53,909 will all be in addition to Associate Executive Producers 1555 01:36:53,909 --> 01:36:57,749 also show donation producer show number producer so you get a 1556 01:36:57,749 --> 01:37:01,649 separate credit for that. And we said 6969 from Nicholas 1557 01:37:01,649 --> 01:37:02,279 Woodward. 1558 01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:06,390 Can I stop you for a minute just to go back to the anonymous we 1559 01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:08,940 know who you are you know you are but I didn't see email from 1560 01:37:08,940 --> 01:37:12,420 you. I saw others but just want to be if you want to see them 1561 01:37:12,420 --> 01:37:12,780 again. 1562 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,260 Okay, so do I need to take any action? 1563 01:37:17,130 --> 01:37:22,800 No, I just want to give me basic value but obviously send an 1564 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,780 email but it didn't come through 1565 01:37:24,810 --> 01:37:28,080 Collins all that happens all the time. Reese and we'll get it 1566 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:33,540 eventually. So here's nick the kiwi. Take the Kiwi donation 1567 01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:37,860 6969 US Dollars no jingles no karma had to donate for this 1568 01:37:37,860 --> 01:37:40,230 amazing show number. Yeah. What's your thoughts on the 1569 01:37:40,230 --> 01:37:43,740 relationship between Dr. SEBI Nick Cannon and Nipsey Hussle. 1570 01:37:44,220 --> 01:37:46,830 We can talk a second did Nick Cannon get cancelled from his 1571 01:37:46,830 --> 01:37:50,310 remarks on his podcast about the Jewish community? It was really 1572 01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:53,910 a ploy to keep from the was it really a ploy from the elites to 1573 01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:57,900 stop and releasing the Dr. SEBI doc documentary? Especially 1574 01:37:57,900 --> 01:38:00,900 right before the start of the worldwide pandemic Keep up the 1575 01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:03,690 great work blood from the Democratic Republic of 1576 01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:08,730 Afghanistan. It's Victoria in Melbourne. We may never see 1577 01:38:08,730 --> 01:38:11,670 these people alive again down there. And he's new, this new 1578 01:38:11,940 --> 01:38:16,170 new bill that he's that he's ramming through. So this is 1579 01:38:16,170 --> 01:38:21,360 actually our first we first knew about each other, I guess kind 1580 01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:27,060 of around the Nipsey Hussle time right and Dr. sebi? He was there 1581 01:38:27,060 --> 01:38:29,130 was like something completely different from what we were 1582 01:38:29,130 --> 01:38:32,760 focusing on his documentary Do you can you refresh my memory? 1583 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:37,500 Oh, well. Dr. SEBI says he can heal all things through you're 1584 01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:41,550 saying his with die. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Include an ace. So 1585 01:38:41,550 --> 01:38:47,250 it's kind of crazy that this? Yeah, so I might have to look 1586 01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:51,600 into that for the last tapes. So good one. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be 1587 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,050 a perfect one for last tips. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Thanks, 1588 01:38:55,050 --> 01:38:58,950 Nick. The Kiwi Curtis Collins Thanks Jen. Great Jen spray 1589 01:38:58,950 --> 01:39:02,220 quality is always keep going loose out pour for much love 1590 01:39:02,220 --> 01:39:06,120 from Kurt and Jen. Thank you very much. Where's my regular 1591 01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:06,660 moose other 1592 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:18,210 bowl after bowl, the bowl after bowl podcast, another podcasting 1593 01:39:18,210 --> 01:39:22,650 2.0 value for value podcast. 69 shows out of insight perspective 1594 01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,280 and humanization we couldn't be more grateful for all you to 1595 01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:30,240 bring to the cookout. Hopefully Adam can bust out the Bill and 1596 01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:35,100 Ted 6969 Dudes jingle for old times sake. Love is lit sir 1597 01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:41,850 Spencer and dame de Larian, of bowl after bowl. So this this 1598 01:39:41,850 --> 01:39:49,710 was probably the longest running donation on no agenda number 1599 01:39:49,710 --> 01:39:54,990 donation was the 6969 because it went on for years and we said 1600 01:39:55,110 --> 01:39:59,760 the whenever a show does not have a 6969 donation, then we 1601 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,910 return I or the whole segment we retired the jingle. I think it's 1602 01:40:02,910 --> 01:40:06,750 been four or five years, but this is what it was. Wait that's 1603 01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:10,110 not the way it was. Sorry. This is what it was 1604 01:40:15,630 --> 01:40:16,410 very childish. 1605 01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:19,199 Make sure we get Josiah is well. 1606 01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:25,410 I'm sorry. Yes. Who says GBG? Of course give blacks guns. Thank 1607 01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:28,560 you very much Josiah. John Taylor is starting a new job. He 1608 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:34,230 was starting a new job karma with that people actually 1609 01:40:34,230 --> 01:40:36,750 requested job karma on mo facts before I 1610 01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:39,540 don't know, but you might want to hook him up. 1611 01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:44,010 Yes. Is my favorite call the TPP. Job's jobs, jobs, jobs, 1612 01:40:44,010 --> 01:40:56,100 jobs. Jobs. It is. CHRIS BAILEY also well, the Chris Bailey has 1613 01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:59,910 69 But we'll count that as a show number donation no note 1614 01:40:59,910 --> 01:41:03,750 further. John Knowles had to donate the show number of course 1615 01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:09,450 you did. Thank you. Let's see I had to be swaddled off of show 1616 01:41:09,450 --> 01:41:16,740 club member DH Slama the God was 69 Yes Swaziland off yet? If 1617 01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:20,910 that was because I'm sure it was someone who miss who 1618 01:41:20,970 --> 01:41:26,670 mispronunciation from some somewhere but in French 69 is 1619 01:41:26,670 --> 01:41:32,100 suas on Earth, and somehow that became savasana off. So that's 1620 01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:35,040 someone who goes back a long time. Thank you. DH laminate God 1621 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,280 Jordan Brown. 69. No, nope, we appreciate it. Thomas Fisher. 1622 01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:40,920 Just thank you for having one of the best podcasts out there. 1623 01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,440 Curse you for sending me down too many rabbit holes with the 1624 01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:46,530 subjects you cover. I must apologize. I've been a deadbeat 1625 01:41:46,530 --> 01:41:49,530 for too long. I humbly request a D dead beating 1626 01:41:51,660 --> 01:41:56,640 congratulations. You're no longer dead V 1627 01:41:56,700 --> 01:41:59,100 I also couldn't miss the opportunity to be a show number 1628 01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:03,540 producer for show 69 He even has a nice little adolescent Nice. 1629 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:08,700 Keep up the good work and wants. Gianna Turner's speaker's down. 1630 01:42:08,700 --> 01:42:14,100 Okay. Thank you Thomas. Paul Arsenal also show number 1631 01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:19,260 donation sir Kansa Navion. From Jasper Jasper Alberta. For your 1632 01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:23,100 continuing my re education for propaganda University 1633 01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:27,540 Scientology. Sociology lessons. Yes. Dude, I think you get a 1634 01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,300 much better education here. appreciate the support. 1635 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:35,460 Blueberry $66 says the best part of waking up is mindcrime in 1636 01:42:35,460 --> 01:42:38,490 your cup and also both factors Adam curry. What a stunning 1637 01:42:38,490 --> 01:42:41,580 production truly inspirational not only in how a team can 1638 01:42:41,580 --> 01:42:44,970 approach a format, but the stellar quality of conversation. 1639 01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:47,910 There's not many places you'd find someone not only willing 1640 01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:52,530 but capable of humanizing the FBI or lizard people. Fingers 1641 01:42:52,530 --> 01:42:55,230 are still crossed that it's physical lizard people. What a 1642 01:42:55,230 --> 01:42:59,610 champ that's short for champion shows like these make great make 1643 01:42:59,610 --> 01:43:03,840 the great unzipping. See pro choice verse versus anti choice. 1644 01:43:04,050 --> 01:43:07,920 A fun place to be. Enjoy every sandwich and love is lit 1645 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,840 blueberry mouth man have the mini mini mini mini up a cup a 1646 01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:13,980 mini optical lips. 1647 01:43:14,279 --> 01:43:16,979 Got it. Many Apocalypse 1648 01:43:17,519 --> 01:43:20,819 many Yeah, so it's Minneapolis but mini Apocalypse There we go. 1649 01:43:21,059 --> 01:43:27,359 Oh my god. What does this be? Why oh three Digi, Digi PS. 1650 01:43:27,689 --> 01:43:31,139 Thanks for a great time. The other night mo Jain joined us. 1651 01:43:31,169 --> 01:43:37,649 Oh, on behind the scheme's before Episode. Series One 1652 01:43:37,649 --> 01:43:41,489 episode 66. Soylent Green New Deal. It was a hit. Oh, I didn't 1653 01:43:41,489 --> 01:43:44,429 know you were on that. Yeah. Oh, man. Cool. 1654 01:43:45,210 --> 01:43:47,760 That's making appearances. 1655 01:43:47,790 --> 01:43:51,990 Yeah. Where's the I was gonna say bad Radio dot live there. 1656 01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:54,930 Yeah, yeah, right. We're never gonna see you. Oh, I think 1657 01:43:54,930 --> 01:43:57,780 you're actually that DJ with the marshmallow on on his head. I 1658 01:43:57,780 --> 01:44:03,000 think the name of it. I've never seen anyone. More More, more 1659 01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,970 possible to be more facts. Alright, we're gonna stop here. 1660 01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:09,330 We'll be thanking the rest of our producers in a moment. But 1661 01:44:09,330 --> 01:44:11,940 thanks again for our executive producers, Associate Executive 1662 01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:16,260 producers and also our show donation number producers. This 1663 01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:19,260 is very important value we need to grow this we need to grow the 1664 01:44:19,260 --> 01:44:24,390 MO fax Enterprises Incorporated. I think I think that we have 1665 01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:27,390 enough people who have this time and talent and also the 1666 01:44:27,390 --> 01:44:30,660 treasurer that we can really grow this and I think we're on a 1667 01:44:30,660 --> 01:44:34,500 good track here. We got a good schedule every 14 days, but 1668 01:44:34,530 --> 01:44:37,230 really every Wednesday with a loss tips. Yeah, let's 1669 01:44:37,380 --> 01:44:41,100 remind people cuz it's up. I want to remind people because 1670 01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:44,490 you're missing out on the facts family, and that's in the live 1671 01:44:44,490 --> 01:44:49,980 chat. They have their own conversations going and this is 1672 01:44:49,980 --> 01:44:53,100 great to see that everybody show up and like know each other 1673 01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:56,970 speak to each other. So and that's just join us over there. 1674 01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,780 Yeah, definitely. And, and yeah, and get to know each other now 1675 01:45:00,780 --> 01:45:03,630 because you know there may be another place you want to go 1676 01:45:03,660 --> 01:45:06,570 hang out together. It's easy if you already know each other from 1677 01:45:06,570 --> 01:45:10,140 before. That's true. So go to mo facts calm to find out more or 1678 01:45:10,140 --> 01:45:12,870 if you want to donate, you can find the donate button there or 1679 01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:18,480 go to mo fund me.com Moe, f u n d me calm. And you can always 1680 01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:21,420 try a new podcast app. If you're not already using one that has a 1681 01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:24,990 boost button, then hit it now because that is how you can 1682 01:45:24,990 --> 01:45:27,930 stream value for value little bits of Bitcoin the future 1683 01:45:27,930 --> 01:45:31,500 uninterruptable money, you can find a podcast to try out and 1684 01:45:31,500 --> 01:45:35,070 use it a new podcast apps.com And thanks again for being 1685 01:45:35,070 --> 01:45:37,110 executive producers and Associate Executive Producer of 1686 01:45:37,110 --> 01:45:40,680 episode number 69 was off. 1687 01:45:42,180 --> 01:45:47,160 Alright, so in the previous clip jur Reverend Jeremiah Wright 1688 01:45:47,490 --> 01:45:51,270 brought up a name Dr. Leonard Horowitz. Have you ever heard of 1689 01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:51,930 him before? 1690 01:45:53,399 --> 01:45:58,349 Uh, I think so. But it's just like such a doctor name, if you 1691 01:45:58,349 --> 01:45:59,009 know what I mean. 1692 01:46:02,580 --> 01:46:07,380 So what well, let's go ahead and get into this is the origins of 1693 01:46:07,380 --> 01:46:09,060 AIDS and Ebola viruses. 1694 01:46:09,330 --> 01:46:12,210 Let me just share with you quickly how I got started. You 1695 01:46:12,210 --> 01:46:15,000 would never imagine this in 1982, when I was finishing up my 1696 01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,520 Harvard master's in public health, and I was asked what I 1697 01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,900 would like to would I like to participate in educating gay 1698 01:46:21,930 --> 01:46:26,130 folks and others about this thing called gay Related Immune 1699 01:46:26,130 --> 01:46:30,660 Deficiency. This was before it was called AIDS. And I said, 1700 01:46:30,810 --> 01:46:34,290 Now, I want to I don't want to deal with that disease at all. I 1701 01:46:34,290 --> 01:46:39,360 don't want to think about that at all. Here I am. 15 years 1702 01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:43,050 later, 16 years later, and what am I doing traveling around the 1703 01:46:43,050 --> 01:46:46,410 world, telling people about the manmade origins of AIDS and 1704 01:46:46,410 --> 01:46:53,280 Ebola. I was working over here my favorite area of research and 1705 01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,770 teaching was in self care, healthy human development, 1706 01:46:55,770 --> 01:46:58,890 motivational psychology, teaching people like Danny does, 1707 01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:00,810 how to take better care of themselves boost their immune 1708 01:47:00,810 --> 01:47:04,050 systems. So I was really into that I love that's my favorite 1709 01:47:04,050 --> 01:47:10,260 thing. And one day, kind of like the miracle happen, where there 1710 01:47:10,260 --> 01:47:13,230 was a crisis, and I was the right person at the right time. 1711 01:47:13,230 --> 01:47:19,050 It was 1990, July 27 1990. When the case of the Florida dental 1712 01:47:19,050 --> 01:47:22,260 aids tragedy hit the press. Remember the case of the Florida 1713 01:47:22,260 --> 01:47:25,110 dentist for affected his patients with the AIDS virus? 1714 01:47:25,139 --> 01:47:29,429 Oh, man, do I remember that? Huh? Do you remember it from 1715 01:47:29,429 --> 01:47:29,819 then? 1716 01:47:30,420 --> 01:47:33,510 I remember it. I mean, like I just being on the news. And my 1717 01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:36,660 dad was saying watching the news, but I don't recall it like 1718 01:47:36,660 --> 01:47:39,060 that. I you know, I remember like, it'd be a big thing like, 1719 01:47:39,090 --> 01:47:41,790 oh, dentists are giving people aids, you know, that kind of 1720 01:47:41,790 --> 01:47:45,390 thing. You won't want to go talk about it. 1721 01:47:45,420 --> 01:47:48,990 No, no, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just remarking that I vividly 1722 01:47:48,990 --> 01:47:49,710 recall that. 1723 01:47:50,399 --> 01:47:55,259 Okay, well, I have a local clip from perfect. From the local 1724 01:47:55,259 --> 01:47:55,799 news. 1725 01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,220 Dr. Acuras. Case is bringing national attention to our area 1726 01:47:59,220 --> 01:48:02,400 tonight into the increasing fears over how the AIDS virus is 1727 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,270 spread. Nowhere has the impact of AIDS been so tragic than here 1728 01:48:06,270 --> 01:48:09,750 in our area where a young woman is the first in the country to 1729 01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:12,510 claim she contracted the deadly disease from a medical 1730 01:48:12,510 --> 01:48:16,470 caregiver. The implications for you and for the health community 1731 01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:20,520 are enormous. In the first of my three part Action News extra on 1732 01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:23,940 AIDS anxiety, you can meet the young woman who was bravely 1733 01:48:23,940 --> 01:48:26,400 forging ahead, despite the odds 1734 01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:35,159 that we're all gonna die. 1735 01:48:35,460 --> 01:48:40,140 You know, we're all none of us are immortal. With aids, you're 1736 01:48:40,140 --> 01:48:40,950 more aware of it. 1737 01:48:41,550 --> 01:48:44,850 She's a 22 year old college graduate with a promising 1738 01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:49,890 future. Until December 1989. When Kimberly Byrd Dallas found 1739 01:48:49,890 --> 01:48:54,030 out she was diagnosed with AIDS. Suddenly, fate changed the 1740 01:48:54,030 --> 01:48:54,660 future. 1741 01:48:54,690 --> 01:48:59,520 It's frightening. You know, I was I was at a point in my life 1742 01:48:59,580 --> 01:49:02,790 where I had all these different goals and I was sending out my 1743 01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:06,720 resume. And I was thinking about, you know, marriage and 1744 01:49:07,530 --> 01:49:12,930 eventually, you know, children and so it's it's a big setback. 1745 01:49:13,410 --> 01:49:17,280 Kimberly believes she contracted the deadly disease during a 1987 1746 01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:21,060 tooth extraction. Her dentist David Acker of steward died of 1747 01:49:21,060 --> 01:49:22,620 AIDS this past September, 1748 01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,860 I thought about everything else and nothing else made sense. The 1749 01:49:25,860 --> 01:49:29,850 only person that I've been exposed to that had had AIDS was 1750 01:49:29,850 --> 01:49:30,390 the dentist. 1751 01:49:31,979 --> 01:49:35,369 Ah, I remember Dr. Leonard Horowitz because I read one of 1752 01:49:35,369 --> 01:49:37,949 his books and it was and I looked it up where we were 1753 01:49:37,949 --> 01:49:41,099 listening emerging viruses, AIDS and Ebola. Yes, now I remember 1754 01:49:41,099 --> 01:49:42,959 Yes. It's been a lot 1755 01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:48,330 Okay, so I don't know if you want to get into the acres or 1756 01:49:48,330 --> 01:49:50,610 not before this next clip. You got anything you want to say 1757 01:49:50,610 --> 01:49:53,130 about him something you remember you want to know get into? 1758 01:49:53,190 --> 01:49:57,810 No, no, no. Should I be when did you expect something from you? 1759 01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:01,140 Yeah, did I mean Oh, if you familiar with it. books because 1760 01:50:01,140 --> 01:50:05,190 this is right up your alley in these next couple of clips 23. 1761 01:50:05,489 --> 01:50:10,139 At that time, I was serving as the world's leading dental and 1762 01:50:10,139 --> 01:50:14,969 medical catalog supply company's chief professional advisor. And 1763 01:50:14,969 --> 01:50:17,789 my background was in media health education, health 1764 01:50:17,789 --> 01:50:21,299 promotion, fear, because I worked on dental phobia 1765 01:50:21,299 --> 01:50:23,969 reduction therapy programs, behavioral therapy programs to 1766 01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:27,839 allay people's fear going dentist, and I've been a dentist 1767 01:50:27,839 --> 01:50:31,589 for 16 years, and health education and media persuasion 1768 01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:36,089 technologies. And here the media was making so many people afraid 1769 01:50:36,089 --> 01:50:38,699 to go see their dentists in the wake of this case. So I was 1770 01:50:38,759 --> 01:50:43,919 asked, I was told I was given the job opportunity to develop 1771 01:50:43,919 --> 01:50:46,589 patient educational literature to help allay people's fear of 1772 01:50:46,589 --> 01:50:50,039 going into medical practices. So I started to research the 1773 01:50:50,039 --> 01:50:52,199 Centers for Disease Control as official investigation reports. 1774 01:50:52,199 --> 01:50:54,269 In the case, I first found them to be scientifically 1775 01:50:54,269 --> 01:50:58,559 questionable. I then found them to be scientifically bogus, and 1776 01:50:58,559 --> 01:51:02,369 then later found them to be fraudulent. They've literally 1777 01:51:02,369 --> 01:51:04,739 covered up deleted the most incriminating evidence against 1778 01:51:04,739 --> 01:51:08,369 the dentist, who I have to conclude after three years of 1779 01:51:08,369 --> 01:51:10,829 studying this case and publishing three scientific 1780 01:51:10,829 --> 01:51:14,099 reports literally having to go out of the United States to 1781 01:51:14,099 --> 01:51:17,249 publish because the American Dental Association American 1782 01:51:17,249 --> 01:51:19,319 Medical Association wanted to maintain the cover. 1783 01:51:20,609 --> 01:51:26,099 Yeah, so it's been 30 years since I really honestly, well, a 1784 01:51:26,099 --> 01:51:29,249 little bit less than of course, but that's when I was earnestly 1785 01:51:29,249 --> 01:51:31,799 when these books were coming out when I was really studying this 1786 01:51:31,799 --> 01:51:37,859 stuff. And it wasn't till hmm, another 10 years after that, 1787 01:51:37,889 --> 01:51:41,009 that, you know, I really think started to become clear. And 1788 01:51:41,009 --> 01:51:46,739 it's been for me, it's been total benign ignorance ever 1789 01:51:46,739 --> 01:51:47,279 since. 1790 01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,850 So let's just catch people up on what he's saying in the previous 1791 01:51:50,850 --> 01:51:53,760 two clips. So what he's saying is he had no interest in looking 1792 01:51:53,790 --> 01:51:56,280 aids, which he was called gay. 1793 01:51:56,670 --> 01:52:00,780 Yeah, instead of auto immune deficiency, immunodeficiency 1794 01:52:00,780 --> 01:52:03,750 disease. It was called gay immunodeficiency does not so it 1795 01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:07,740 was greed. It was, like gay to me. No, it 1796 01:52:07,740 --> 01:52:12,060 was no saying it was the acronym was greed. Yeah. So great. First 1797 01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:14,610 of all, great rebranding on that, because greed would have 1798 01:52:14,610 --> 01:52:18,660 not flown over now. Well, no, no good at all. Second of all, what 1799 01:52:18,660 --> 01:52:22,470 he's saying is he was chasing the money. They were losing 1800 01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:25,170 money because people didn't want to go to dentists. Because they 1801 01:52:25,170 --> 01:52:29,640 were afraid. Yeah, wish that brings up another point how I 1802 01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:31,860 don't know how people can let somebody go look in their mouth 1803 01:52:31,860 --> 01:52:34,950 man, in the middle of this thing we got going on. But this is not 1804 01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:40,170 a COVID show. Um, it didn't stop what he's saying. I asked him 1805 01:52:40,170 --> 01:52:43,500 started chasing the money and figuring out how to get people 1806 01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:45,840 to start going to the dentist again, he started looking to 1807 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:50,310 this case with acres. And he found out that the dental 1808 01:52:50,430 --> 01:52:57,900 dentistry and dentistry industry and the FDA, FDA covered up 1809 01:52:57,900 --> 01:53:00,720 everything get to the point where he had to go out of the 1810 01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,540 country to publish his book. I just want to feel people Bruce 1811 01:53:03,540 --> 01:53:06,870 and discovery, the two clips or segment with the local report. 1812 01:53:07,170 --> 01:53:10,980 So I wanted to fill people in on what's going on in time. He 1813 01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:15,630 didn't purposely pursue aids. No, he was nothing money's 1814 01:53:15,630 --> 01:53:18,330 Hunter he was trying to try to make to get people in the 1815 01:53:18,330 --> 01:53:22,230 dentist offices, terrain, which I mean, which is head comes on 1816 01:53:22,230 --> 01:53:26,910 that natural apprehensions in its first place. But I digress. 1817 01:53:26,910 --> 01:53:30,180 So we can go now we can go. And this, I think is where you're 1818 01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:34,380 going to be very interested. 24 I wrote 1819 01:53:34,380 --> 01:53:37,260 a book. This was based on those three scientific reports called 1820 01:53:37,260 --> 01:53:41,580 Deadly innocence, my ninth book, wherein I have to conclude that 1821 01:53:41,580 --> 01:53:44,610 the dentist based on all the evidence using the FBI, his own 1822 01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:47,490 behavioral science literature, how they themselves investigate 1823 01:53:47,490 --> 01:53:50,460 and evaluate these types of cases that this dentist, 1824 01:53:51,630 --> 01:53:55,140 scientifically trained military dentist for much of his career, 1825 01:53:56,010 --> 01:54:02,160 very intelligent dentist, believed that he was dying of a 1826 01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:04,950 virus that the government had created. They covered that up. 1827 01:54:05,340 --> 01:54:08,010 He believed that they had intentionally injected this 1828 01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:12,120 virus during the 1978 experimental hepatitis B vaccine 1829 01:54:12,570 --> 01:54:19,020 that was given to a lover of his that he had in 1985. And that's 1830 01:54:19,020 --> 01:54:23,040 how he got infected. And he believed that this was genocide. 1831 01:54:24,660 --> 01:54:26,670 And he believed in what was called the World Health 1832 01:54:26,670 --> 01:54:30,630 Organization theory of AIDS. The videotape that Danny stated he 1833 01:54:30,630 --> 01:54:34,830 saw the Stryker memorandum was what Dr. David Acker believed 1834 01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:37,890 that the World Health Organization United States 1835 01:54:37,890 --> 01:54:39,480 Public Health Service Centers for Disease Control has 1836 01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:41,820 something to do with the development of these types of 1837 01:54:41,820 --> 01:54:45,900 viruses and the deployment of them through Hepatitis B and 1838 01:54:45,900 --> 01:54:49,230 other vaccines in Africa and North America. 1839 01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:55,290 Oh man, you are opening up a deep rabbit hole that was pretty 1840 01:54:55,290 --> 01:55:00,930 dusty. I had that one close a long time, brother. Long time 1841 01:55:00,930 --> 01:55:05,010 ago like oh man, he's taking me back to the Strecker memorandum 1842 01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:09,990 never like a review that rabbit hole. So damn 1843 01:55:09,989 --> 01:55:12,299 you damn you mo facts. 1844 01:55:14,069 --> 01:55:20,039 So since we re Earth, this rabbit hole, let's go ahead and 1845 01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:22,529 jump in the extract stricker memorandum that 1846 01:55:22,559 --> 01:55:24,809 we need to set it up about what it was was that? 1847 01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:31,410 Well, let's just give a little setup. This is this guy that 1848 01:55:31,410 --> 01:55:34,920 makes the case Dr. Robert Stricker, he makes this case 1849 01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:38,370 wish it was six parts. I found it on YouTube. I secured it 1850 01:55:38,399 --> 01:55:42,719 on YouTube. Yes. Whatever that means we'll get a content 1851 01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:43,829 strike, I'm sure. 1852 01:55:44,279 --> 01:55:47,099 No, what I'm saying is I secured I downloaded the actual video. 1853 01:55:49,859 --> 01:55:52,949 Archives. Yes. You seen the title and say disappeared? Yeah, 1854 01:55:53,159 --> 01:55:57,959 obviously, taken down. But he makes the case that AIDS was 1855 01:55:57,959 --> 01:56:02,939 created in a lab? Well, not correct. It was always worth 1856 01:56:02,939 --> 01:56:06,149 creating the lab and it got out somehow. He didn't say if it was 1857 01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:10,079 intentional, or if it was by accident. But he just makes the 1858 01:56:10,079 --> 01:56:12,179 case that AIDS was created in lab and 1859 01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:15,120 I'm glad that this is not a COVID show. 1860 01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:16,380 I'm glad to 1861 01:56:16,590 --> 01:56:20,940 aids the most devastating biological catastrophe the world 1862 01:56:20,940 --> 01:56:25,110 has ever known. This disease will kill more people this year 1863 01:56:25,620 --> 01:56:29,430 than all other viral diseases combined. According to Dr. 1864 01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:33,030 Robert Stryker AIDS is a man made genetically engineered 1865 01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:36,480 virus that was either accidentally or deliberately 1866 01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,960 introduced into the world's population. Age is not a 1867 01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:45,240 homosexual disease. Age is not a venereal disease. Age did not 1868 01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:48,900 originate from the green monkey. Age is not prevented by the use 1869 01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:53,430 of condoms. And AIDS is not likely to ever be cured by a 1870 01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:57,810 vaccine. I realize what you've just heard, contradicts most of 1871 01:56:57,810 --> 01:57:02,580 what you've been told about AIDS. In this program, Dr. 1872 01:57:02,580 --> 01:57:06,300 Robert Stryker will present documented evidence that refutes 1873 01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:10,500 the official stance taken by so called AIDS experts, members of 1874 01:57:10,500 --> 01:57:15,720 the research community and the government. And now, let's find 1875 01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:17,910 out the truth about AIDS. 1876 01:57:18,359 --> 01:57:20,699 Yeah, now we're cooking with 1877 01:57:20,699 --> 01:57:25,169 gas. So, okay, so we got to back up a little bit and go back to 1878 01:57:25,169 --> 01:57:29,399 what Dr. Hall was saying. He said he found out about this 1879 01:57:29,519 --> 01:57:34,889 scenario of bikers, the dentist, Akers was giving giving people 1880 01:57:34,889 --> 01:57:39,929 intentionally aids because his lover had gotten AIDS through a 1881 01:57:41,459 --> 01:57:46,679 hepatitis vaccine. And out of anger, he started to infect 1882 01:57:46,679 --> 01:57:54,719 people. And this memorandum supports what acres believe. So 1883 01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:56,789 I'm just filling everybody in where it means little 1884 01:57:56,819 --> 01:57:58,979 disjointed, but I want to make sure everybody's caught up to 1885 01:57:58,979 --> 01:58:03,599 speed on where we're at with this. Yep. Go and get to part 1886 01:58:03,599 --> 01:58:05,129 two of the stricker. 1887 01:58:05,580 --> 01:58:08,400 I'm Dr. Robert Straker, a practicing internist and 1888 01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:12,300 gastroenterologist in Los Angeles. I have a special 1889 01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:16,950 interest in pharmacology, pathology, and now aids. I 1890 01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:19,920 became interested in the AIDS questions several years ago and 1891 01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,010 doing a health maintenance proposal basically an insurance 1892 01:58:23,010 --> 01:58:27,630 proposal for security Pacific bank, a bank here in California. 1893 01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:34,740 More and more members of the medical and research community 1894 01:58:34,770 --> 01:58:37,560 such as Dr. Peter Duesberg, the University of California at 1895 01:58:37,590 --> 01:58:41,790 Berkeley, Dr. John seal, a member of the Royal Society of 1896 01:58:41,790 --> 01:58:45,720 medicine of London, Dr. Alan Cantwell, who has recently 1897 01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,900 finished a third book on age this one on the origin of aids 1898 01:58:49,230 --> 01:58:52,500 are questioning the validity of the popular view about AIDS, 1899 01:58:52,710 --> 01:58:55,020 which has failed to scientifically explain the 1900 01:58:55,020 --> 01:58:58,530 disease. So I've decided it's time that someone tells you the 1901 01:58:58,530 --> 01:59:01,770 truth about AIDS. So in this program, I will show you how the 1902 01:59:01,770 --> 01:59:06,090 AIDS virus was actually predicted, requested for Deuce 1903 01:59:06,510 --> 01:59:10,200 deployed and now threatens the very existence of mankind, 1904 01:59:10,530 --> 01:59:14,730 because it works. To understand why I believe that the AIDS 1905 01:59:14,730 --> 01:59:17,520 virus came out of a laboratory rather than out of the jungles 1906 01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,700 of Africa, you have to understand several important 1907 01:59:20,700 --> 01:59:24,510 concepts which I will address in the next few minutes. These 1908 01:59:24,510 --> 01:59:28,020 concepts actually include an understanding of viruses, 1909 01:59:28,020 --> 01:59:32,640 bacteria, human cell lines, tissue culture, and manipulation 1910 01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,130 of all those things in the laboratory. 1911 01:59:37,140 --> 01:59:42,510 What's really cool about this repeat, rinse, rinse repeat 1912 01:59:42,510 --> 01:59:48,120 cycle that that it's if this were a COVID show. What's really 1913 01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:49,470 cool about it, which 1914 01:59:49,470 --> 01:59:55,020 is not so and hearing all of this now we need to go back and 1915 01:59:55,020 --> 01:59:59,130 listen Remember what Reverend Reverend Wright said about a 1916 02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:05,340 Goddamn America, giving people AES keys going off of these 1917 02:00:05,340 --> 02:00:09,930 peoples facts. And now we got to bring it back into the wild was 1918 02:00:09,930 --> 02:00:13,830 a sign up, it was like, Oh, the road sign up plays on, they're 1919 02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:16,620 saying so called Black Americans, because we were 1920 02:00:16,620 --> 02:00:19,620 hearing this in rap songs. We were hearing this in church, 1921 02:00:19,650 --> 02:00:21,720 this barbershop. 1922 02:00:22,049 --> 02:00:25,979 Now I know what I was going to say, and it makes it lead you 1923 02:00:25,979 --> 02:00:31,499 into this point. So we have, you know, this grainy YouTube video, 1924 02:00:31,499 --> 02:00:34,469 which has been disappeared multiple times as pretty much 1925 02:00:34,499 --> 02:00:37,049 one of the last pieces of evidence so you can go out and 1926 02:00:37,049 --> 02:00:43,469 you can go get the you can read the striker report, but nothing 1927 02:00:43,469 --> 02:00:46,469 quite as powerful as seeing him at the blackboard, you know, and 1928 02:00:46,499 --> 02:00:52,739 explaining what's going on. What is happening to that today with 1929 02:00:52,769 --> 02:00:55,739 with you know, now we have all of this, these different 1930 02:00:55,739 --> 02:01:00,689 avenues, all of this media, all of these things, like even even 1931 02:01:00,689 --> 02:01:03,629 Reverend, right, there's only really one or two little pieces. 1932 02:01:03,839 --> 02:01:08,069 So you know, while the cycle is rinsing, repeating, we have 1933 02:01:08,069 --> 02:01:11,459 become so much more communicative amongst ourselves 1934 02:01:11,699 --> 02:01:14,789 and have figuring stuff out over here. And I think that's the 1935 02:01:14,789 --> 02:01:17,969 fundamental flaw of what I'm going to jump to the end. Of 1936 02:01:17,969 --> 02:01:22,109 course, I totally believe that this is all the same thing. I 1937 02:01:22,109 --> 02:01:25,289 just stuffed that away into a deep dark closet until you open 1938 02:01:25,289 --> 02:01:27,089 the door. Thank you very much. 1939 02:01:27,480 --> 02:01:30,570 Right because the door had closed on your side. That's 1940 02:01:30,569 --> 02:01:34,349 right. For them, but not for you. Exactly. 1941 02:01:34,980 --> 02:01:38,400 And my side is thinking still brewing. It's like how am I 1942 02:01:38,460 --> 02:01:44,340 still still killing people? I mean, like you heard the guy 1943 02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:49,050 came out 14 years later and say he had AIDS. I forgive me, 1944 02:01:49,050 --> 02:01:53,610 Bobby. Porter. I think God's name, Billy Porter. Billy 1945 02:01:53,610 --> 02:01:57,000 Porter. Yeah, you hear him come out. This thing is still fresh. 1946 02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:02,190 And it's unresolved up. And I want to say one thing, because 1947 02:02:02,190 --> 02:02:05,130 why people like well, was Reverend right. Reverend Wright 1948 02:02:05,130 --> 02:02:11,550 was is a healthcare professional in the military that care for? I 1949 02:02:11,550 --> 02:02:14,970 think Lyndon Baines Johnson. Yeah. So he's, people don't know 1950 02:02:14,970 --> 02:02:17,220 that. They don't know that. Yeah, he's not just some I mean, 1951 02:02:17,220 --> 02:02:19,470 when you hear Reverend, they might think Raven, Jesse Jackson 1952 02:02:19,470 --> 02:02:21,840 or Al Sharpton? No, we're talking about somebody that 1953 02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:25,230 worked for the government that had allegiance to the 1954 02:02:25,230 --> 02:02:25,860 government, like 1955 02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:27,000 all reference do. 1956 02:02:31,979 --> 02:02:38,549 Eventually, he, he was loyal enough to care for American 1957 02:02:38,579 --> 02:02:41,909 president, they actually have pictures of them together. So 1958 02:02:42,749 --> 02:02:45,869 this is not some kind of fly by night guy that's throwing around 1959 02:02:45,869 --> 02:02:49,589 these allegations. So I just want to make that clear. But 1960 02:02:49,709 --> 02:02:54,509 this is where his teachings is coming from. But the SIOP is how 1961 02:02:54,869 --> 02:02:59,969 now it's like, oh, no, no, age is a square deal. And we seen 1962 02:02:59,969 --> 02:03:02,549 this, I brought this up before, but interesting not to belabor 1963 02:03:02,549 --> 02:03:07,439 the point. But we saw this with OJ, it was very clear when OJ 1964 02:03:07,439 --> 02:03:13,379 was found innocent. A lot of black people either thought he 1965 02:03:13,379 --> 02:03:16,619 was innocent, or went along with it. He was innocent. You know, 1966 02:03:16,619 --> 02:03:20,429 you didn't question me. Like, sure. Right. So it was the same 1967 02:03:20,429 --> 02:03:23,879 thing with AIDS. It was like no, man made. Government gave us 1968 02:03:23,909 --> 02:03:28,709 aid. I think I'm even kind of has a lot to lose to that. Um, 1969 02:03:28,740 --> 02:03:30,420 oh, all the greats have slipped it in. 1970 02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,270 Yeah, all those. So I'm just saying, 1971 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:38,160 but I'm sorry to come back to that. So it's been in hip hop 1972 02:03:38,190 --> 02:03:42,510 that that is the main the main point here is now now it's open 1973 02:03:42,510 --> 02:03:44,910 to everybody. It's not necessarily just hip hop, hip 1974 02:03:44,910 --> 02:03:47,850 hop was didn't have the distribution has today, but it 1975 02:03:47,850 --> 02:03:49,410 was definitely the CNN. 1976 02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:53,760 One of the most popular songs in I wanna say r&b, hip hop 1977 02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:57,690 history, waterfalls. The first verse is about age pacing age, 1978 02:03:57,810 --> 02:04:04,410 age patient. Little precious. Yeah. So I mean, we're talking 1979 02:04:04,410 --> 02:04:07,380 about so 10s of millions of albums. That's like one I mean, 1980 02:04:07,380 --> 02:04:10,770 I wonder how many Grammys that song one I mean, it's how 1981 02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:16,890 ingrained it was in the culture. So when you hear somebody with 1982 02:04:17,730 --> 02:04:20,940 the reach and you know the respectability of a Reverend 1983 02:04:20,940 --> 02:04:24,510 Wright's preaching that in his church, you can see what how 1984 02:04:24,510 --> 02:04:28,350 this thing got set in. But now it's now we can go actually, we 1985 02:04:28,350 --> 02:04:32,610 can go back thank God archivist save these tapes, uploaded these 1986 02:04:32,610 --> 02:04:36,900 tapes. So we can revisit and we can if you look backwards, you 1987 02:04:36,930 --> 02:04:43,320 oftentimes see the future. Um, with that said, where are we at 1988 02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:44,940 27? Yes, we are. 1989 02:04:45,239 --> 02:04:47,879 In essence, I have to conclude at the end of that case that the 1990 02:04:47,879 --> 02:04:51,329 dentist most plausibly was an identical to an organized serial 1991 02:04:51,329 --> 02:04:54,269 killer. He made to paint a classic organized serial killer 1992 02:04:54,269 --> 02:04:57,779 personality, you know, like the Unabomber. These people they all 1993 02:04:57,779 --> 02:04:59,969 according to FBI kill for the sake of power controlling 1994 02:04:59,999 --> 02:05:08,009 Revenge, revenge being the major theme and the principal issue is 1995 02:05:08,009 --> 02:05:10,529 principal vendetta was screaming loud and clear in the legal 1996 02:05:10,529 --> 02:05:15,149 testimonies that was against the federal government. In essence, 1997 02:05:15,149 --> 02:05:18,359 I concluded that he created a crime he did not all organized 1998 02:05:18,359 --> 02:05:20,609 serial killers love to do they manipulate the authorities of 1999 02:05:20,609 --> 02:05:23,939 the catch. 22 is the Unabomber. He publishes his manifesto in 2000 02:05:23,939 --> 02:05:26,129 the New York Times Washington Post says here's what I believe 2001 02:05:26,129 --> 02:05:30,449 you tried to get me. David Acker, the Florida dentist was 2002 02:05:30,449 --> 02:05:33,899 virtually identical to this. In essence, he created a crime 2003 02:05:34,079 --> 02:05:37,229 mystery that could not be solved without implicating the 2004 02:05:37,229 --> 02:05:40,349 government, because if they told the truth, if they said he was 2005 02:05:40,349 --> 02:05:42,539 an organized serial killer then the whole world what a mono 2006 02:05:42,539 --> 02:05:44,849 motive and the motive was screaming loud and clear and 2007 02:05:44,849 --> 02:05:51,029 illegal testimony, which they buried. So there was one 2008 02:05:51,029 --> 02:05:53,849 document however, that came along with that videotape called 2009 02:05:53,849 --> 02:05:58,589 the striker memorandum that Stryker sent to David Acker. And 2010 02:05:58,589 --> 02:06:04,469 it was the most horrifying document I had ever seen. It was 2011 02:06:04,469 --> 02:06:08,759 a 1970 department of defense appropriations request for $10 2012 02:06:08,789 --> 02:06:14,279 million for a five year study, to develop immune system 2013 02:06:14,309 --> 02:06:17,069 ravaging micro organisms for germ warfare. 2014 02:06:17,939 --> 02:06:22,589 Oh, man, what does that sound like? Happy This is not a COVID 2015 02:06:22,589 --> 02:06:25,889 show. Again, a function research anybody. 2016 02:06:26,069 --> 02:06:33,179 He was a equivalent to the Serial Command to the Unabomber 2017 02:06:33,719 --> 02:06:36,809 to say I'm gonna do some killings. That way, if you 2018 02:06:36,809 --> 02:06:40,529 investigate it, you got to investigate the whole story, 2019 02:06:40,559 --> 02:06:45,179 right? We wouldn't just some crazy guy in Florida or 2020 02:06:45,179 --> 02:06:48,539 allegedly some crazy guy in Florida was in as he was paying 2021 02:06:48,539 --> 02:06:51,329 in the news, and then it'd be it'd be in the interest of 2022 02:06:51,329 --> 02:06:55,079 parties. And that whole news segment that I played, I lit I 2023 02:06:55,109 --> 02:06:58,109 clipped it. But I mean, it was like a three part series. His 2024 02:06:58,109 --> 02:07:00,989 name was never mentioned like that. He was never a part of the 2025 02:07:00,989 --> 02:07:05,819 store. Pa who he was nothing. It was just like, yeah, let's get 2026 02:07:05,819 --> 02:07:11,159 this dentist. got over it. I mean, this guy was a military 2027 02:07:11,159 --> 02:07:14,489 dentist. He was involved in his community, big time golf guy, I 2028 02:07:14,489 --> 02:07:18,869 think not endorsed down in Florida. Um, you know, pillar of 2029 02:07:18,869 --> 02:07:24,479 the community. And then he just goes on this quiet rampage of 2030 02:07:24,479 --> 02:07:26,399 offending places and nobody asks why 2031 02:07:26,819 --> 02:07:33,239 cam man? By the way, I put the the waterfall lyrics into the 2032 02:07:33,239 --> 02:07:36,539 show notes. Not everybody might have known that about the about 2033 02:07:36,539 --> 02:07:37,229 the lyrics. 2034 02:07:37,410 --> 02:07:40,560 Yeah, that's that first the first verse is about as basic as 2035 02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:45,930 patient. Yeah. So now we got to go back and listen to Fauci and 2036 02:07:45,930 --> 02:07:49,320 this is Dr. Fauci do. This is the blurb, Dr. Fauci, Director 2037 02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:52,500 of National Institute of allergies and infections, 2038 02:07:52,500 --> 02:07:56,820 infectious disease, at the National Institutes of Health, 2039 02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:02,040 NIH, talks about the prospect of bioterrorism and the safety and 2040 02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:05,640 ethics of poaching potentially dangerous scientific information 2041 02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:10,230 and the interconnected world. So this is, um, he's speaking to 2042 02:08:10,230 --> 02:08:13,530 the Center for Strategic and International Studies. And he's 2043 02:08:13,530 --> 02:08:15,000 talking about anthrax. 2044 02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:20,310 bioterror is there's always the potential for bioterror. And we 2045 02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:25,830 have a major bio defense research and development effort 2046 02:08:25,950 --> 02:08:30,900 that spans agencies from the NIH to do the basic research to be 2047 02:08:30,900 --> 02:08:34,800 able to develop better vaccines, how you counter engineered 2048 02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:39,930 microbes, how you approach drug resistance, engineered microbes, 2049 02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:43,590 the CDC has surveillance mechanisms to determine if 2050 02:08:43,590 --> 02:08:48,030 there's new microbes or anything out there in society, 2051 02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:52,170 particularly toxic that could be used in a bioterror situation, 2052 02:08:52,350 --> 02:08:54,600 the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of 2053 02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:58,890 Defense, we do all of that. Having said that, the worst 2054 02:08:58,890 --> 02:09:04,590 bioterrorist is nature itself. Nature is very good at evolving 2055 02:09:04,590 --> 02:09:09,600 microbes to create problems much smarter than any terrorist. So 2056 02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:15,930 what we've tried to do over the years, is to use the expertise 2057 02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:22,620 of the resources to allow us to respond better to a deliberate a 2058 02:09:22,620 --> 02:09:26,520 front or attack on us with a microbe of any type engineered 2059 02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:30,450 or what have you, to use that knowledge to better prepare us 2060 02:09:30,570 --> 02:09:35,160 for what we know will happen. We don't know whether we will ever 2061 02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:39,660 have an attack on us in the United States or elsewhere, 2062 02:09:39,870 --> 02:09:45,870 using biological weapons. We absolutely know that we will 2063 02:09:45,870 --> 02:09:49,710 have the evolution of a new disease naturally occurring that 2064 02:09:49,710 --> 02:09:53,010 will impact society. And the reason is because history is 2065 02:09:53,010 --> 02:09:54,270 told us that that will happen. 2066 02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:59,970 Ah yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm familiar with this. I'm familiar 2067 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,710 With a piece of his, yeah, I just I despise it this guy is 2068 02:10:04,710 --> 02:10:10,620 even talking about bioterrorism not be not be a part of this, 2069 02:10:10,650 --> 02:10:11,550 but he is. 2070 02:10:11,790 --> 02:10:14,760 But what he's saying is we got to stay out in front of nature 2071 02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:19,200 justification, because nature is gonna kill us. Well, that's 2072 02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:22,710 correct list. That's correct what nature correct can create 2073 02:10:22,710 --> 02:10:25,710 before nature? And that goes back to his original clip that 2074 02:10:25,710 --> 02:10:29,070 says we had to be better than nature? Yeah, let's be better to 2075 02:10:29,070 --> 02:10:32,640 nature. How do you do that by creating what it will create 2076 02:10:32,640 --> 02:10:36,420 before it creates it. So we can come up with a resolution and 2077 02:10:36,420 --> 02:10:40,470 that is to humanize Fauci here, and in this point, 2078 02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:43,740 oh, I have him I have a very hard time I have a very hard 2079 02:10:43,740 --> 02:10:44,550 time. Well, you 2080 02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:49,350 know, what I'm saying is, if he's saying he, in good faith, 2081 02:10:50,100 --> 02:10:53,670 oh, we're trying to beat nature to the punch. So we know how to 2082 02:10:53,670 --> 02:10:58,890 counter it, that could be a way of humanizing him. But it's 2083 02:10:58,890 --> 02:11:02,700 irresponsible, very irresponsible. But it could be 2084 02:11:02,700 --> 02:11:05,040 couched in a register the road to hell is paved in good 2085 02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:06,810 intentions. So 2086 02:11:07,050 --> 02:11:11,640 this is I'm sorry, he's he's part of the 1%. He's a lizard. 2087 02:11:12,270 --> 02:11:15,060 Well, maybe that's why he feels comfortable around working 2088 02:11:15,060 --> 02:11:22,860 around Easter eggs. Well mask going into lab and nothing, 2089 02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:28,800 watch me hold my beer. So let's get to the part two of what 2090 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:30,660 could probably go wrong with bioterrorism, 2091 02:11:30,989 --> 02:11:35,459 I can't predict you, when the next one will be. Hopefully it 2092 02:11:35,489 --> 02:11:38,339 won't be for a very, very long time that it will happen. 2093 02:11:38,339 --> 02:11:42,659 There's no doubt it will happen. So instead of looking at two 2094 02:11:42,659 --> 02:11:46,979 separate silos of bio defense for biological threats that are 2095 02:11:46,979 --> 02:11:50,999 deliberate and countermeasures for naturally occurring, he 2096 02:11:50,999 --> 02:11:54,599 should essentially pull the science so that you could do 2097 02:11:54,599 --> 02:12:00,539 both. Well, I think that that where we are right now in 2098 02:12:00,539 --> 02:12:04,169 science and molecular biology, and particularly molecular 2099 02:12:04,169 --> 02:12:09,029 virology and our ability to sequence and we combine and 2100 02:12:09,029 --> 02:12:15,119 create various organisms in some respect, is that the best way to 2101 02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:21,839 prevent a nefarious act is to create and develop a culture of 2102 02:12:21,839 --> 02:12:27,239 responsibility among scientists, you, you have to have some 2103 02:12:28,979 --> 02:12:33,299 restrictions in the sense of you don't do work that could 2104 02:12:33,299 --> 02:12:37,949 actually hurt people in the sense of if you have a 2105 02:12:37,949 --> 02:12:43,109 laboratory accident, you have to have the right containment. Once 2106 02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:49,559 you start being too restrictive, you then impede creativity for 2107 02:12:49,559 --> 02:12:52,169 so many of the good things that could come out of the same type 2108 02:12:52,169 --> 02:12:57,179 of work. So if you develop a culture of responsibility, the 2109 02:12:57,179 --> 02:13:01,379 vast, vast, vast, vast majority of work on that area will be 2110 02:13:01,379 --> 02:13:04,019 done for the betterment of mankind, they're always going to 2111 02:13:04,019 --> 02:13:08,609 be the bad guys around somewhere, someplace, he would 2112 02:13:08,609 --> 02:13:13,049 hope that they don't have the opportunity to do something that 2113 02:13:13,049 --> 02:13:18,119 is going to ultimately hurt mankind. When I say that, I get 2114 02:13:18,119 --> 02:13:21,209 back to what I mentioned just a moment ago that the chances of 2115 02:13:21,209 --> 02:13:26,489 nature, creating something really bad is much better than 2116 02:13:26,489 --> 02:13:29,009 we mere mortal humans doing it. 2117 02:13:33,029 --> 02:13:37,559 Wow. In short, the only way to stop a bad guy with a virus is a 2118 02:13:37,559 --> 02:13:38,879 good guy with a virus. 2119 02:13:39,870 --> 02:13:40,620 Ah, 2120 02:13:40,949 --> 02:13:42,539 wow, that's a mind bender. 2121 02:13:43,590 --> 02:13:46,890 That's how he looks in the reason why I try to humanize 2122 02:13:46,890 --> 02:13:50,580 anybody. Why give everybody the benefit of the doubt. So you 2123 02:13:50,580 --> 02:13:53,820 have is that proof? The other thing is if we're trying to 2124 02:13:53,820 --> 02:13:57,930 reach people that may believe he's acting in good faith, you 2125 02:13:57,930 --> 02:14:04,560 have to communicate on their level and say, hey, look, he I 2126 02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:07,410 understand he might was trying to get it from the nature I get 2127 02:14:07,410 --> 02:14:13,230 it. But that is to stop the fact that they created aids and 2128 02:14:13,230 --> 02:14:17,220 escaped. You see what I mean? We two things can be true what we 2129 02:14:17,220 --> 02:14:20,730 always talk about so we both can be true. Oh, absolutely. Right. 2130 02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:23,070 So what we want to reach those people that we're trying to 2131 02:14:23,070 --> 02:14:27,090 communicate with and not get siloed we have to see it the way 2132 02:14:27,090 --> 02:14:28,980 they see it seek first to understand then to be 2133 02:14:28,980 --> 02:14:32,880 understood. Okay, I can see how you can see that he was acting 2134 02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,850 in good faith. That still doesn't absolve him from the 2135 02:14:35,850 --> 02:14:39,600 fact that when you start playing around and playing God, 2136 02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:43,740 basically what you're doing, um, it can have significant 2137 02:14:43,950 --> 02:14:44,970 ramifications. 2138 02:14:46,199 --> 02:14:51,689 Or, if you and I think that this is probably the case with Bill 2139 02:14:51,689 --> 02:14:57,389 Gates, and Fauci likely, there's a new book out which I've been 2140 02:14:57,389 --> 02:15:02,939 reading by the brigands I think it's Peter and ginger brigands 2141 02:15:03,089 --> 02:15:08,849 till COVID-19 and global predators. We are the prey. And 2142 02:15:09,929 --> 02:15:13,769 you can totally humanize Fauci because he's hung up on. He's 2143 02:15:13,769 --> 02:15:15,899 not, he's not necessarily the person who wants to kill 2144 02:15:15,899 --> 02:15:16,469 everybody. 2145 02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:20,340 Or he could be a lizard. I'm not ruined now, but he 2146 02:15:20,340 --> 02:15:23,010 could he could be the lizard that is different kinds of 2147 02:15:23,010 --> 02:15:27,600 lizards to I'm sure they got a hierarchy. But my point is that, 2148 02:15:28,200 --> 02:15:33,540 you know, this, this is this could be so big. This could be 2149 02:15:34,260 --> 02:15:37,380 just what I've always felt this is a trail that just leads to 2150 02:15:37,380 --> 02:15:40,680 all these things. And you know, we're we're not really going to 2151 02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:46,080 do anything with Zika or with Ebola, but I totally I'm so on 2152 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:49,740 board with this. With this pathway. It's it's, it's 2153 02:15:49,740 --> 02:15:52,830 repeating the, the whole thing repeats, 2154 02:15:53,130 --> 02:15:55,800 we're going to see even more repeating but first, we got to 2155 02:15:55,800 --> 02:15:59,580 continue to thank the producers that allow us to have these 2156 02:15:59,910 --> 02:16:00,630 conversations. 2157 02:16:01,050 --> 02:16:03,960 I understand that there's some people out there who need my 2158 02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:04,620 services. 2159 02:16:06,300 --> 02:16:10,020 Any people out there who were weak people out there who will 2160 02:16:10,020 --> 02:16:25,380 win who doesn't need to hear? Y'all gotta love this one. Down 2161 02:16:25,380 --> 02:16:28,260 Hey, why don't you This is we want to thank our the rest of 2162 02:16:28,260 --> 02:16:31,440 our producers, of course, for producing episode number 69. A 2163 02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:34,830 great way to do this is with value for value, it's 2164 02:16:34,830 --> 02:16:39,150 podcasting. 2.0. 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And remember, it's not just the bi 2236 02:21:38,370 --> 02:21:42,990 weekly podcast but also the Lost Tapes and go to more facts.com 2237 02:21:42,990 --> 02:21:46,620 to find out everything you need to know. Follow us on the 2238 02:21:46,620 --> 02:21:50,940 socials and for direct support. Go to mo fun me.com Thanks. 2239 02:21:53,790 --> 02:21:58,560 Alright, so now we got to get into how they try to handle the 2240 02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:01,890 DIS information. This information, quote unquote 2241 02:22:01,890 --> 02:22:07,080 different this information with their normal tactic. When 2242 02:22:07,080 --> 02:22:09,810 you hear the term fake news, you probably heard about how it's 2243 02:22:09,810 --> 02:22:13,380 used often today by President Trump. But it's actually an old 2244 02:22:13,380 --> 02:22:17,340 term used by the Soviet Union as a reference to disinformation 2245 02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:21,150 campaigns that the Soviets and now the Russians have long used 2246 02:22:21,150 --> 02:22:25,020 to destabilize the west. It worked before and it's working 2247 02:22:25,050 --> 02:22:29,700 again now. That is the tale told by Operation infection, Russian 2248 02:22:29,700 --> 02:22:33,390 disinformation from Cold War to Kanye. A riveting three part 2249 02:22:33,390 --> 02:22:36,510 series released by the New York Times is Adam Westbrook and Adam 2250 02:22:36,570 --> 02:22:39,570 elec, who joins me in the studio. Now, Adam, great to see 2251 02:22:39,570 --> 02:22:40,350 you. Thanks for being here. 2252 02:22:40,410 --> 02:22:41,130 Thanks for having me. 2253 02:22:41,190 --> 02:22:43,770 So there's a lot of talk about Russian disinformation, of 2254 02:22:43,770 --> 02:22:49,380 course in 2016, even 2018. But this started long before as your 2255 02:22:49,380 --> 02:22:52,890 film demonstrates, and I want to show a clip from the film that 2256 02:22:52,890 --> 02:22:58,200 starts with two KGB defectors, who said disinformation had one 2257 02:22:58,200 --> 02:22:58,620 goal 2258 02:22:59,070 --> 02:23:04,680 to change the perception of reality for every American to 2259 02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:09,690 such an extent that despite the abundance of information, no one 2260 02:23:09,690 --> 02:23:13,860 is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of 2261 02:23:13,860 --> 02:23:17,400 defending themselves, their families, their community and 2262 02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:18,150 their country. 2263 02:23:18,420 --> 02:23:22,380 Within the KGB is a department that specializes in planting 2264 02:23:22,380 --> 02:23:24,900 false stories and forged documents. 2265 02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:28,350 We know it was run from department a right at the top of 2266 02:23:28,350 --> 02:23:33,000 the KGB and it had a multi million dollar budget 2000 2267 02:23:33,330 --> 02:23:36,900 People in the Soviet Union and outside of the Soviet 2268 02:23:36,900 --> 02:23:43,080 Union involved in that kind of actions on regular daily basis 2269 02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:46,320 15,000 people creating disinformation stories as 2270 02:23:46,350 --> 02:23:53,610 seemingly crazy as the US created a Oh, yeah, 2271 02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:59,610 okay, Russians got Russia's even when it was the Russians man 2272 02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:01,260 this those guys are so good. 2273 02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:05,220 Can I interest you is a little bit of Operation infection. 2274 02:24:05,249 --> 02:24:08,639 I'd love some operation infection you with a K by the 2275 02:24:08,639 --> 02:24:09,359 way with okay. 2276 02:24:09,960 --> 02:24:12,270 Okay, okay. 32 2277 02:24:14,010 --> 02:24:19,080 Okay, so to start, let's go back to July 1983. And all the way 2278 02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:23,250 over here, New Delhi, India. This is when a remarkable story 2279 02:24:23,250 --> 02:24:27,330 appears in a newspaper called The Patriots. It claims the HIV 2280 02:24:27,330 --> 02:24:31,470 virus was secretly created by US government scientists as a 2281 02:24:31,470 --> 02:24:36,390 weapon to kill African Americans and gay people. It even names a 2282 02:24:36,390 --> 02:24:39,660 facility in Fort Dietrich in Maryland, where the virus was 2283 02:24:39,660 --> 02:24:44,070 supposed to have been concocted. It's a crazy allegation printed 2284 02:24:44,100 --> 02:24:48,600 in a small newspaper. No big deal, right. But fast forward 2285 02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:51,930 just a couple of years and look what's happening. The story is 2286 02:24:51,930 --> 02:24:56,340 spreading all over Africa. A scientific reports even 2287 02:24:56,340 --> 02:24:59,490 published by two East German biologists who say they can 2288 02:24:59,490 --> 02:25:04,170 prove If AIDS is made in the USA, all these articles from 2289 02:25:04,170 --> 02:25:10,080 just a few months at the end of 1986. And then somehow, it ends 2290 02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:11,220 up here. 2291 02:25:12,750 --> 02:25:16,320 A Soviet military publication claims the virus that causes 2292 02:25:16,350 --> 02:25:19,470 AIDS leaked from a US Army laboratory conducting 2293 02:25:19,470 --> 02:25:21,360 experiments in biological warfare. 2294 02:25:21,900 --> 02:25:25,500 That's Dan ratha, reading a fake news story to millions of 2295 02:25:25,500 --> 02:25:29,850 undressing Americans on national TV. But don't be too hard on 2296 02:25:29,850 --> 02:25:32,760 Dan, this was one of the greatest cons ever carried out 2297 02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:35,640 on a global scale. And we're going to show you how it was 2298 02:25:35,640 --> 02:25:36,300 pulled off. 2299 02:25:37,110 --> 02:25:40,320 Just Just before we continue, I just want to confirm something 2300 02:25:40,320 --> 02:25:47,220 you said earlier. That if if anyone with any so called black 2301 02:25:47,220 --> 02:25:49,830 person, or the majority of so called black people, if they're 2302 02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:53,730 being honest, when asked, you know without microphones or 2303 02:25:53,730 --> 02:25:59,160 cameras, AIDS, they would say oh, yeah, everyone knows that 2304 02:25:59,160 --> 02:26:00,660 was created a lab to kill Black people. 2305 02:26:01,530 --> 02:26:04,170 That was say, so fishy was going on. I wonder if they would go to 2306 02:26:04,170 --> 02:26:09,930 extent. But that was right. It looks that way. And they might 2307 02:26:09,930 --> 02:26:15,420 not be as adamant is right here. But even this even a non 2308 02:26:15,420 --> 02:26:18,990 conspiratorial person that watches the news every day. 2309 02:26:19,020 --> 02:26:22,680 Yeah. Well, this comes on Dan Rather my dad watch Dan Rather 2310 02:26:22,680 --> 02:26:26,310 every night. Right after the local news and right before a 2311 02:26:26,310 --> 02:26:30,450 with a fortune, you know, saying like, so if he hears that, 2312 02:26:30,630 --> 02:26:33,600 what is wrong with you black people, the communists are 2313 02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:35,880 continuously giving you false information. 2314 02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:38,670 That's how it seems right? What is wrong with 2315 02:26:38,670 --> 02:26:39,030 you. 2316 02:26:40,170 --> 02:26:43,140 looking the other way, though? Well, maybe the Soviets 2317 02:26:43,140 --> 02:26:48,030 recognize a weakness that they can exploit. Exploit is not that 2318 02:26:48,030 --> 02:26:51,000 the weakness doesn't the future doesn't exist in their 2319 02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:55,320 manufacturing it is they realize that it's the future. They're 2320 02:26:55,320 --> 02:26:58,950 like what we talked about back in with the communism coming 2321 02:26:58,950 --> 02:27:02,370 through in the south, with how sharecropping was going on. 2322 02:27:02,430 --> 02:27:06,180 Well, that and, of course, fast forward to Marxism and BLM. 2323 02:27:07,170 --> 02:27:11,370 I mean, it's a lot in between, I mean, even it's a lot if you 2324 02:27:11,370 --> 02:27:16,950 watch the show the Americans, of course, they had a storyline in 2325 02:27:16,950 --> 02:27:20,220 there where the Russians was working with a revolution black 2326 02:27:20,220 --> 02:27:24,660 Americans, revolutionary black Americans back in the early 80s, 2327 02:27:24,690 --> 02:27:29,070 late 70s. So I mean, this is a running theme. Like I said, that 2328 02:27:29,070 --> 02:27:31,830 doesn't say the future doesn't exist, and they're 2329 02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:35,250 manufacturing. It could be that they just realize that that's a 2330 02:27:35,250 --> 02:27:39,810 weak point, right? Oh, I'm gonna So Dan Rather he's he's pushing 2331 02:27:39,810 --> 02:27:41,820 the store. Good old Dan. 2332 02:27:42,900 --> 02:27:46,890 KGB let the story go quiet for a couple of years after India. But 2333 02:27:46,890 --> 02:27:50,730 with AIDS still making scary headlines in 85. They revived it 2334 02:27:50,760 --> 02:27:54,480 this time in a prominent Moscow newspaper, and the source for 2335 02:27:54,480 --> 02:28:00,960 this story. You guessed it. It's brilliant. Really, they've 2336 02:28:00,960 --> 02:28:05,220 repeated the story but concealed their hand distancing themselves 2337 02:28:05,250 --> 02:28:10,650 from the lie they started. So we're now into 1986. And the KGB 2338 02:28:10,650 --> 02:28:14,010 wants to add gravitas to this slide. So they look around for a 2339 02:28:14,010 --> 02:28:17,670 scientist, a human face, someone who could back up the lie with 2340 02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:22,410 data and no joke. This is the dude they found. This is Dr. 2341 02:28:22,410 --> 02:28:26,130 Jakob Seagal. Remember I said the report had two authors. 2342 02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:30,240 Well, here comes the co author. Now it's his wife Nilly. Believe 2343 02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,880 it or not, these two wrote that report that claimed to have 2344 02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:36,030 evidence AIDS was created in a US government lab 2345 02:28:36,060 --> 02:28:39,720 with scientific gobbly gook. And you know, you read this stuff 2346 02:28:39,720 --> 02:28:42,630 and who can understand it, but it purports to be proof. 2347 02:28:43,170 --> 02:28:46,980 The thing is, it worked. The KGB made sure the GAO report was 2348 02:28:46,980 --> 02:28:50,220 read by journalists all over Africa. And they kept on pushing 2349 02:28:50,220 --> 02:28:54,930 it until it went, well viral. It's appeared in 200 reports in 2350 02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:58,590 80 countries, even the Daily Express in London runs with it. 2351 02:28:58,680 --> 02:29:04,110 And finally for March 30 1987, the KGB hits the jackpot. 2352 02:29:04,710 --> 02:29:09,180 A Soviet military publication leaked. 2353 02:29:12,810 --> 02:29:16,800 But you brought up a great point last year that I mean, last show 2354 02:29:17,130 --> 02:29:20,220 about the amplification of news and that's kind of on the white. 2355 02:29:20,220 --> 02:29:25,890 What we're doing now is when we deconstruct it, it's kind of 2356 02:29:25,890 --> 02:29:28,620 like the same thing that they're using. They're right, they put 2357 02:29:28,620 --> 02:29:33,930 it in reverse. Oh, yeah. lodo paper, and it works his way up 2358 02:29:33,930 --> 02:29:37,140 to the mainstream. Now in reverse, we've reverse 2359 02:29:37,170 --> 02:29:41,700 engineered it, that when it comes from the mainstream, we 2360 02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:45,810 reverse engineer and it's disseminated out through smaller 2361 02:29:45,810 --> 02:29:46,650 outlets like ours. 2362 02:29:46,770 --> 02:29:51,000 Well also, we are able to use collective memory and that 2363 02:29:51,000 --> 02:29:55,170 collective memory is YouTube that collective memory is for 2364 02:29:55,170 --> 02:29:58,500 better for worse. Google but you know, there's a lot of 2365 02:29:58,500 --> 02:30:02,280 infrastructure, a lot of in infrastructure, a lot of data 2366 02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:05,310 being created that we're now starting to learn how to find 2367 02:30:05,310 --> 02:30:10,170 and not necessarily have to go through all the you know all the 2368 02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:13,020 beaten paths that have been laid out before us so yeah. 2369 02:30:14,190 --> 02:30:17,430 And Eric Barron a catch 22 Kid, they can't sanitize their 2370 02:30:17,430 --> 02:30:21,690 platforms, because they're a competitor. So it's like let's 2371 02:30:21,690 --> 02:30:26,100 cover it with all this asinine mind numbing material 2372 02:30:26,729 --> 02:30:29,699 it's better to do that it's better to just throw all kinds 2373 02:30:29,699 --> 02:30:33,959 throw everything out and call everything conspiracy. Yeah 2374 02:30:33,989 --> 02:30:36,209 confused everybody because that's the hard part. You know, 2375 02:30:36,209 --> 02:30:39,179 I know that I know there are people who are going to email me 2376 02:30:39,179 --> 02:30:43,859 and say You are crazy curry and here's what they say age doesn't 2377 02:30:43,859 --> 02:30:47,009 exist curry really desperate they're gonna say not not that I 2378 02:30:47,009 --> 02:30:51,659 said that verbatim that way. But yeah, I have big doubts about 2379 02:30:51,659 --> 02:30:52,469 all of this. 2380 02:30:53,010 --> 02:30:56,970 And I'm not saying that because something's kidding Oh, my God 2381 02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:00,450 the same approach not to COVID Stop this killing these people. 2382 02:31:01,500 --> 02:31:03,930 I mean, we had that happen but Yeah, something's killing them 2383 02:31:04,050 --> 02:31:08,730 now with Porter as they're as they're saying, Well what what 2384 02:31:08,940 --> 02:31:09,690 is killing people? 2385 02:31:09,719 --> 02:31:14,849 Yes. Yeah in okay, I'm not a doctor. So this is this is only 2386 02:31:14,849 --> 02:31:19,709 my opinion but if you look at truly what AIDS is auto 2387 02:31:19,739 --> 02:31:24,479 immunodeficiency syndrome. But this can be caused by many many 2388 02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:25,199 things. 2389 02:31:26,010 --> 02:31:29,070 Right? Not everything and I understand what you're saying. 2390 02:31:29,130 --> 02:31:31,320 Yeah. I completely understand what 2391 02:31:31,740 --> 02:31:33,630 what really what's killing people know what's really 2392 02:31:33,630 --> 02:31:37,950 killing people is a sugary drinks, crap food, processed 2393 02:31:37,950 --> 02:31:44,040 food. Bull crap life. No sunlight, unhappiness SSRIs, 2394 02:31:44,040 --> 02:31:48,720 Adderall, heroin. Oxy. You know? It's amazing. So many people are 2395 02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:50,880 still living. They haven't been able to kill us with this 2396 02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:52,590 damage. Give them a virus. 2397 02:31:55,020 --> 02:31:58,890 And it's like, well, the sexual path doesn't work. We gotta go. 2398 02:31:58,890 --> 02:32:01,140 We gotta go respiratory. We got to go airborne. Yes. 2399 02:32:01,139 --> 02:32:04,379 You can't even get them like, all they do is they're like 2400 02:32:04,379 --> 02:32:07,349 bunnies. We have to they can't stop them with this. They won't 2401 02:32:07,349 --> 02:32:11,729 stop. It's clear what their goal is. Kill us to kill us. 2402 02:32:13,080 --> 02:32:16,920 I'm glad we agree. 99% Gotta go. Which leaves 1% 2403 02:32:18,030 --> 02:32:19,320 of lizards this 2404 02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:23,070 amazing how that math works out. I'm just y'all do the math. 2405 02:32:24,060 --> 02:32:25,830 Well, we stopped at 33 Yeah, 2406 02:32:25,830 --> 02:32:28,740 no, we're already at 35 Last one of the Okay, let's 2407 02:32:28,740 --> 02:32:29,820 get well let's go and finish up 2408 02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:34,080 this campaign how to KGB codename they called it 2409 02:32:34,410 --> 02:32:36,150 operation infection. 2410 02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:57,900 Well I'm sorry. Some happened with that clip. We went gobbly 2411 02:32:57,900 --> 02:32:58,920 goo in. 2412 02:32:59,100 --> 02:33:02,520 Oh, no. No, you're no, no, no. Yeah, it sounded good here. 2413 02:33:03,090 --> 02:33:05,910 Okay, my fault. Yeah, no worries. We'll hit it again. 2414 02:33:05,969 --> 02:33:09,419 This campaign has a KGB codename. They called it 2415 02:33:09,749 --> 02:33:11,489 operation infection. 2416 02:33:26,340 --> 02:33:32,580 Well, that's a life. Half a lifetime ago, this was handed 2417 02:33:32,580 --> 02:33:37,650 out in a demonstration. I was so angry that they accused the 2418 02:33:37,650 --> 02:33:41,490 United States of creating the AIDS virus because I knew how 2419 02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:46,230 effective that was going to be as a tool against us. And it 2420 02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:47,310 angered me, 2421 02:33:48,389 --> 02:33:52,319 Operation infection, one of the most audacious and successful 2422 02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:56,879 fake news stories ever created. And for America, the impact was 2423 02:33:56,879 --> 02:33:57,569 toxic. 2424 02:33:58,020 --> 02:34:02,280 foreign governments actually believed that the US was 2425 02:34:02,280 --> 02:34:08,490 creating this biological warfare agent. For them to think that 2426 02:34:09,060 --> 02:34:13,560 damages their view of the United States not only as a culture, 2427 02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:17,640 but it taints all of our policies. It's in the back of 2428 02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:21,150 their mind every time they discuss anything with us. Now, 2429 02:34:21,150 --> 02:34:21,300 with 2430 02:34:21,300 --> 02:34:24,210 so much at stake, you might be wondering what the US response 2431 02:34:24,210 --> 02:34:27,090 to all this was. Well, we're watching it 2432 02:34:32,370 --> 02:34:35,460 gasoline and TOS were both parts of something called the active 2433 02:34:35,460 --> 02:34:38,580 measures Working Group. Nicknamed true squad. It was a 2434 02:34:38,580 --> 02:34:42,390 team that tracked and tried to expose Soviet disinformation. 2435 02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:45,510 Hey, yeah, 2436 02:34:45,540 --> 02:34:49,710 true squad. Yes. Genesis of all factors. That's 2437 02:34:49,710 --> 02:34:56,520 right. Truth squad. Oh, man. That's good. And that's good. 2438 02:34:57,690 --> 02:35:00,360 And as he said, when you're dealing with people Gonna be 2439 02:35:00,360 --> 02:35:04,080 stuck in the back of your head. So now you see what I was saying 2440 02:35:04,080 --> 02:35:07,770 at the top of the show. When you come to me and talk to me about 2441 02:35:07,770 --> 02:35:12,420 matter cool and trust this and trust that it's like, hey, what 2442 02:35:12,420 --> 02:35:13,170 about eighth? 2443 02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:22,170 There was no I saw this. Okay. I'm just scrolling through 2444 02:35:22,170 --> 02:35:29,490 something here for a second. Uh huh. Someone sent me a link that 2445 02:35:29,490 --> 02:35:34,530 was that here we go. Oh, this is gonna, this is gonna trip you 2446 02:35:34,530 --> 02:35:38,640 out. Okay. This is this is we're doing it live everybody. Okay, 2447 02:35:39,060 --> 02:35:48,900 this is a response from the insect group. Then it was a 2448 02:35:48,900 --> 02:35:56,070 report written in August 2021. to refute the report examines a 2449 02:35:56,070 --> 02:36:00,390 newly discovered campaign aimed at discrediting the Pfizer bio 2450 02:36:00,390 --> 02:36:06,480 and tech COVID-19 vaccine. And so this was commissioned by of 2451 02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:12,360 course, Pfizer to go out and it's a professional report. But 2452 02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:17,700 the true title of this report is operation secondary infection 2453 02:36:17,730 --> 02:36:24,000 with the K targets Pfizer vaccine, October 2020 2021. 2454 02:36:24,750 --> 02:36:28,950 Second barrier secondary infection with a K operation 2455 02:36:28,950 --> 02:36:36,060 secondary infection target. Holy crap. don't realize how big this 2456 02:36:36,060 --> 02:36:43,020 is. Because operation the original operation infection was 2457 02:36:43,080 --> 02:36:46,560 was was was the the cover I'll just call it what it is the 2458 02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:52,770 cover before the AIDS debacle. Yep. And now they're using 2459 02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:55,530 operation second infection with a K. 2460 02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:03,570 Oh, my piece come out from the New York Times. Wow. To refresh 2461 02:37:03,570 --> 02:37:07,260 you on what the first operation infection was. So when the 2462 02:37:07,260 --> 02:37:11,130 second one hit? You already been seated. That 2463 02:37:11,130 --> 02:37:14,790 was a rare no agenda mo facts flow over. If I ever saw it. 2464 02:37:14,790 --> 02:37:18,240 That was great. That was pretty sexy. 2465 02:37:22,470 --> 02:37:25,830 Man. Wow. Yeah. 2466 02:37:28,170 --> 02:37:30,510 It's in the show notes so people can go take a look at it for 2467 02:37:30,510 --> 02:37:31,140 themselves. 2468 02:37:31,740 --> 02:37:36,660 I didn't. But I always try to make the point. If you look 2469 02:37:36,660 --> 02:37:41,460 backwards, you can see the future. We they do it first. I 2470 02:37:41,460 --> 02:37:47,700 hope people understand that and this. What this does is it calls 2471 02:37:47,730 --> 02:37:51,030 this is where distrust and systematic racism and all this 2472 02:37:51,030 --> 02:37:55,860 stuff comes in it. It's not one person and one thing is this 2473 02:37:55,890 --> 02:38:01,950 SIOP that we're blanketed with and it's like we don't forget. 2474 02:38:03,210 --> 02:38:09,690 We do not forget now some people go into formation. Commission. 2475 02:38:09,690 --> 02:38:12,690 Yeah, yeah, the mass formation that get along, go along and get 2476 02:38:12,690 --> 02:38:17,610 along. You know, they're they're not immune to the mind control. 2477 02:38:17,940 --> 02:38:22,590 But if you live this, you know, every time before a sexual 2478 02:38:22,590 --> 02:38:25,590 encounter, AIDS popped into your head, yep. 2479 02:38:26,969 --> 02:38:29,879 Now you know, every single time you breathe or you see a person 2480 02:38:29,879 --> 02:38:33,119 without a mask that BAM in your head, 2481 02:38:33,180 --> 02:38:36,240 it's like, like asking somebody to have sex without a condom. 2482 02:38:36,240 --> 02:38:40,500 Like, are you crazy? Yeah. sex without a condom. Which if you 2483 02:38:40,500 --> 02:38:43,470 think about it, condoms, D population. Hello? Yeah, I mean, 2484 02:38:43,560 --> 02:38:47,070 hello. Babies. Were not born dude. Come nowhere. It's 2485 02:38:47,070 --> 02:38:50,100 a win win. It's a win win. If you don't use a condom. You die 2486 02:38:50,100 --> 02:38:52,560 of AIDS. If you use a condom. There's no babies. Yay. 2487 02:38:52,769 --> 02:38:58,499 Yeah. So now that's going international sign up. I have to 2488 02:38:58,499 --> 02:39:01,709 bring people to the domestic sign up. Okay, now original 2489 02:39:01,709 --> 02:39:04,709 super spreader. So we're going to start here, we got to go back 2490 02:39:04,709 --> 02:39:08,639 to a clip. Well, this is not a clip. But this is a piece I 2491 02:39:08,639 --> 02:39:11,909 pulled a clip from, but this is another segment of it. And this 2492 02:39:11,909 --> 02:39:15,449 is in search of good policy by Don spears, 2493 02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:20,670 Oprah Winfrey, and all these women have different programs to 2494 02:39:20,670 --> 02:39:25,380 help enable black females, but who's trying to help black 2495 02:39:25,380 --> 02:39:30,150 males? And I mean, right now there's 6.6 million people in 2496 02:39:30,150 --> 02:39:35,100 jail. Most of those people are blackmail. Nobody is really 2497 02:39:35,130 --> 02:39:41,010 doing anything for them. Essence the essence Music Festival was 2498 02:39:41,010 --> 02:39:45,000 in New Orleans, the Fourth of July weekend. Town Georgia said 2499 02:39:45,000 --> 02:39:49,560 it looked like 60 Women for everyone man. I was there. 2500 02:39:50,010 --> 02:39:53,370 That's what it looked like. And it was insane to see that many 2501 02:39:53,370 --> 02:39:57,630 women and no man. So where was the man there was a clear signal 2502 02:39:57,630 --> 02:40:02,280 being sent because men are like like a shark with blood in the 2503 02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:05,400 water, if there are women there, the men are gonna be there. But 2504 02:40:05,400 --> 02:40:09,510 for some reason the women were there, but the men were not. And 2505 02:40:09,570 --> 02:40:13,710 even the women who were there, they pulled out their money, 2506 02:40:14,100 --> 02:40:17,370 credit cards, bought what they wanted smile with their 2507 02:40:17,370 --> 02:40:21,600 girlfriends and went on about the business. I know of 2508 02:40:22,260 --> 02:40:28,080 neighborhoods now where you have most of the people on houses on 2509 02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:33,960 the block of black females. No man they have their own houses, 2510 02:40:34,050 --> 02:40:38,040 they own credit cards they own BMW. The only thing any a man 2511 02:40:38,040 --> 02:40:42,240 for sex and many of them have boy toys. They can pick up the 2512 02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:47,250 phone do a terribly milling you know get back on and then send 2513 02:40:47,250 --> 02:40:50,070 him about his way and there's still no connection 2514 02:40:52,530 --> 02:40:55,320 No, you lost that was a hard right? 2515 02:40:56,309 --> 02:40:59,369 No, I'm with you that let me this is not this is not news to 2516 02:40:59,369 --> 02:41:02,819 me because of our work together. But yeah, lay it on. 2517 02:41:03,300 --> 02:41:08,580 Stella How Stella Got Her Groove Back. So that was about a woman 2518 02:41:08,580 --> 02:41:12,360 going out to Jamaica. And she gets what a boy toy a young boy 2519 02:41:12,390 --> 02:41:15,690 toy and may fall happy in love. Well, that was based off a 2520 02:41:15,690 --> 02:41:20,580 terror McMillan's real life. But in met how it plays out, it 2521 02:41:20,580 --> 02:41:24,210 comes to find out they're her who she got her groove back, 2522 02:41:24,210 --> 02:41:31,260 which happens to be a gay man. And that birth the term down low 2523 02:41:31,260 --> 02:41:34,230 brother, which was the original super spreader. 2524 02:41:34,320 --> 02:41:40,950 Oh, that's me doing sound effects. 2525 02:41:41,430 --> 02:41:44,580 So how this plays Stop, 2526 02:41:45,270 --> 02:41:50,040 stop. White Man catching up slow. So on the download is a 2527 02:41:50,040 --> 02:41:57,000 derivative of all that. Yes. Little do they know. 2528 02:41:57,630 --> 02:42:00,870 Now download and spying for people download it. That's a 2529 02:42:00,870 --> 02:42:05,430 heterosexual now it's the gay man or bisexual man living 2530 02:42:05,460 --> 02:42:09,840 undercover dating women and we'd love to her knowledge that he's 2531 02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:15,030 gay. Which that's how you explain the numbers of gay men 2532 02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:19,980 being high for AIDS. Black women being high for AIDS, but not 2533 02:42:19,980 --> 02:42:25,560 that heterosexual man. What it did was it caused us made which 2534 02:42:25,560 --> 02:42:27,060 we haven't conquered yet. And 2535 02:42:27,059 --> 02:42:30,119 was that was the addition was a great download boy and he said 2536 02:42:30,119 --> 02:42:32,939 well you said download boy download brother. Oh, download 2537 02:42:32,939 --> 02:42:36,359 brother. Sorry, undercover brothers. Didn't mean to bring 2538 02:42:36,359 --> 02:42:42,659 the boy word. Oh no. But so that that was the term super spreader 2539 02:42:42,659 --> 02:42:45,509 actually used in connection with with a download brother. 2540 02:42:45,780 --> 02:42:49,710 Right because that's how it jumped from the homosexual 2541 02:42:49,710 --> 02:42:56,400 community into the heterosexual community. Wow, you follow me? 2542 02:42:56,400 --> 02:42:59,610 I'm with you. Course so it's so I mean, I'm just I'm just making 2543 02:42:59,610 --> 02:43:02,580 me I'm It was a hard right so I want to make sure everybody 2544 02:43:02,580 --> 02:43:07,380 else's follow along too. So they did this ruse I think of her 2545 02:43:07,380 --> 02:43:10,500 going through this humiliation ritual with her being terrible 2546 02:43:10,500 --> 02:43:14,760 at Macmillan or Oprah Show. They bring this clearly gay man which 2547 02:43:14,760 --> 02:43:18,900 I say that loosely. You're saying because you have a 2548 02:43:18,900 --> 02:43:22,980 feminine man. What's your heterosexual but I'm a made for 2549 02:43:22,980 --> 02:43:26,520 TV gay man. Right? They bring him out here she goes through 2550 02:43:26,520 --> 02:43:30,960 this humiliation ritual. And what it does is start to embed 2551 02:43:30,960 --> 02:43:34,500 this belief that sneakers if you're openly gay, you're not a 2552 02:43:34,500 --> 02:43:37,650 problem. He's they're saying so that ruled out offending gay 2553 02:43:37,650 --> 02:43:39,690 men. Oh, this 2554 02:43:39,690 --> 02:43:42,330 was a this was an attack on all black men. 2555 02:43:42,780 --> 02:43:45,030 No, not all black men. Because if you're gay, you're good. 2556 02:43:45,540 --> 02:43:47,220 Because you know, I mean, 2557 02:43:47,219 --> 02:43:50,189 if you're out, but if you're not out, then you're automatically 2558 02:43:50,189 --> 02:43:52,169 considered to be a possible super spreader. 2559 02:43:52,350 --> 02:43:55,410 You're super spreader. Oh, that's 2560 02:43:55,410 --> 02:43:55,950 evil. 2561 02:43:56,670 --> 02:44:00,540 which to this day, you hear people say, Oh, he's undercover 2562 02:44:00,540 --> 02:44:03,690 brother. Oh, he because that's kind of a worst of both worlds. 2563 02:44:04,260 --> 02:44:07,020 Because one, you're not living in your truth. And then you're 2564 02:44:07,020 --> 02:44:12,990 bringing over the high potential because I say in some southern 2565 02:44:12,990 --> 02:44:18,240 states, across America, one out of every two gay men have HIV 2566 02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:21,510 AIDS. I'm lumping those together. But you know, for sake 2567 02:44:21,510 --> 02:44:25,050 of saying you know, so yeah, that's how it jumped. That's 2568 02:44:25,170 --> 02:44:30,240 that's the explanation for the jump on this gay community to 2569 02:44:30,240 --> 02:44:35,130 the black woman community got so now we're gonna go 37 And watch 2570 02:44:35,130 --> 02:44:37,170 this ruse play out. 2571 02:44:37,979 --> 02:44:41,849 When I entered 25 remarkable women who paved the way for me 2572 02:44:41,849 --> 02:44:45,719 and countless others at my legends ball back in 2005. I 2573 02:44:45,719 --> 02:44:50,609 asked Terry to be there because she too is a young legend. I've 2574 02:44:50,609 --> 02:44:57,449 looked up to her as a mentor, Sister friend and respected her 2575 02:44:57,449 --> 02:45:02,069 work and we continue to respect her work. And I was really 2576 02:45:02,069 --> 02:45:08,399 surprised that she was in this situation actually. Did you feel 2577 02:45:08,669 --> 02:45:09,959 obviously betrayed? 2578 02:45:11,309 --> 02:45:14,909 Yes, yeah, it is betrayal. Yeah. And deception. Yeah. 2579 02:45:15,300 --> 02:45:19,500 Yes. Do you feel like you missed signs that were there? 2580 02:45:22,050 --> 02:45:25,620 No, because I'd never been betrayed this way before. I've 2581 02:45:25,620 --> 02:45:28,680 never been with a man that I knew was cheating period. And 2582 02:45:28,680 --> 02:45:28,920 think 2583 02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:32,280 was, was he cheating? Because he told you this. He was cheating. 2584 02:45:32,550 --> 02:45:35,640 You think he's gonna tell the truth? I don't know. They lie 2585 02:45:35,639 --> 02:45:39,209 about that. But you said that he said at the time that he had 2586 02:45:39,209 --> 02:45:42,569 never acted on it. But you didn't believe that, obviously. 2587 02:45:43,169 --> 02:45:43,559 Okay, 2588 02:45:43,559 --> 02:45:46,109 I said, That's like saying you're an alcoholic and you 2589 02:45:46,109 --> 02:45:49,199 haven't had a drink? Uh huh. What does he do? He had an 2590 02:45:49,199 --> 02:45:50,879 epiphany in his sleep. Yeah. 2591 02:45:53,910 --> 02:45:58,740 This is the thing about this show. This is the thing. I've 2592 02:45:59,040 --> 02:46:05,520 known Terry McMillan through her work, and her art and her talent 2593 02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:10,380 and her books. And I was surprised that she number one 2594 02:46:10,380 --> 02:46:12,420 wanted to come on TV and talk about this. 2595 02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:17,790 You were surprised? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Gee. 2596 02:46:18,510 --> 02:46:21,510 And just for people that don't may not know Stella Got Her 2597 02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:27,060 Groove Back. She also pinned Waiting to Exhale, which is a 2598 02:46:27,060 --> 02:46:32,580 mean factory car that lightened a woman lightly cigarette and 2599 02:46:32,580 --> 02:46:35,850 setting the car on fire and walking away. This accident, all 2600 02:46:35,850 --> 02:46:40,680 our memories. This is the author of that book, which it also has 2601 02:46:40,680 --> 02:46:47,280 a bra has a character in there that I forget her name. She 2602 02:46:47,280 --> 02:46:50,520 always plays everybody in mama in black movies. But she's 2603 02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:54,450 married to a gay man when she had a child by a gay man, and he 2604 02:46:54,480 --> 02:46:57,450 goes off and leaves her with an adult son. 2605 02:46:58,139 --> 02:47:02,219 Wow. This is it. And there's Oprah again, you know, Oprah 2606 02:47:02,219 --> 02:47:03,659 bringing it to the masses. 2607 02:47:04,860 --> 02:47:10,020 I told you is domestic rollout. International sciart rollout, 2608 02:47:10,740 --> 02:47:14,880 the domestic rollout here. The original super spreader. So 2609 02:47:14,880 --> 02:47:16,020 let's go and get into 38. 2610 02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:24,150 Okay, Jonathan, went out. Let us meet you. I was even more 2611 02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:29,520 surprised that Jonathan wanted to come on TV and talk about it. 2612 02:47:30,330 --> 02:47:34,980 This is your chance to say to the world. Were you lying to 2613 02:47:34,980 --> 02:47:38,340 Terry about your sexuality? All those six years? 2614 02:47:38,699 --> 02:47:41,399 No, I wasn't lying about my sexuality. You were not lying. 2615 02:47:41,550 --> 02:47:45,210 I wasn't. So first of all, it's pretty apparent to me. And I 2616 02:47:45,210 --> 02:47:50,670 think a lot of other people when they see Jonathan, that you know 2617 02:47:50,670 --> 02:47:56,580 something else was going on there. But I think that 2618 02:47:56,790 --> 02:48:03,600 somewhere inside her self, if she were absolutely honest. She 2619 02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:09,180 knew something was off. Even if she couldn't say that. He's gay. 2620 02:48:09,270 --> 02:48:14,340 She knew something wasn't right. Because to speak about and 2621 02:48:14,730 --> 02:48:20,250 future lessons here. You always get that little feeling. I call 2622 02:48:20,250 --> 02:48:24,480 it a whisper and the Whisper is exactly that. It feels like 2623 02:48:26,130 --> 02:48:30,420 something's off. And then you allow yourself to tell yourself 2624 02:48:30,420 --> 02:48:33,030 that it's something else or that it isn't what you actually 2625 02:48:33,030 --> 02:48:38,070 really think it is. You don't use your own instinct, your own 2626 02:48:38,100 --> 02:48:43,530 intuition and allow yourself to be put in a position that you 2627 02:48:43,530 --> 02:48:46,830 later have to suffer the consequences and then get angry 2628 02:48:49,980 --> 02:48:52,770 this goes back to prove your point what you were saying 2629 02:48:52,770 --> 02:48:57,570 before imagine her standing about a white gay person or a 2630 02:48:57,570 --> 02:49:00,960 lesbian like oh you know they look like they're a gay you know 2631 02:49:00,960 --> 02:49:02,010 something about them? 2632 02:49:02,610 --> 02:49:05,550 Something's not right. Something's Something's off. 2633 02:49:06,240 --> 02:49:11,520 Imagine her saying that about anybody else. Rather than a 2634 02:49:11,520 --> 02:49:16,110 black man. It will be it will be a scandal. I mean a scandal but 2635 02:49:16,110 --> 02:49:19,290 for a black man. Oh, yeah. He like he was gay. You could tell 2636 02:49:19,290 --> 02:49:19,950 it's a whisper 2637 02:49:22,860 --> 02:49:24,510 Oh, yeah. 2638 02:49:24,570 --> 02:49:29,520 It's like saying this played out in the early mid 90s. And this 2639 02:49:29,550 --> 02:49:33,390 download it's except into the vernacular. 2640 02:49:33,389 --> 02:49:39,209 Oh massively it's it's has incredibly interesting. I do 2641 02:49:39,209 --> 02:49:46,409 know millennial like yeah, millennial women 2526. Who 2642 02:49:46,409 --> 02:49:50,609 really hang out with a lot of gay guys too. Because they don't 2643 02:49:50,609 --> 02:49:53,249 like the masculinity. See? That's how far it's gone now. 2644 02:49:54,659 --> 02:49:58,109 Because they don't like masculinity. They don't like it 2645 02:49:58,109 --> 02:50:02,849 and I think download bro i I think is, is still a real thing. 2646 02:50:04,140 --> 02:50:09,930 It just like I say, is the first attack mags mechanism of anybody 2647 02:50:09,930 --> 02:50:13,020 you know, or you're gay or you're gay. He's gay. And it's a 2648 02:50:13,140 --> 02:50:18,600 it's a fascinating phenomenon that somebody can call a black 2649 02:50:18,600 --> 02:50:24,120 man gay as an attack, but also say they stand to defend a black 2650 02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:28,470 man sexuality. Oh, it's a dress that 2651 02:50:29,430 --> 02:50:30,450 totally messed up. 2652 02:50:30,539 --> 02:50:33,599 But it's, it's weird. It's weird that you know, at the same time, 2653 02:50:33,599 --> 02:50:37,319 that could be an attack. Yeah, say that men and men with the 2654 02:50:37,319 --> 02:50:41,279 same time you say you stand with the, you know, the LGBT cavity 2655 02:50:41,399 --> 02:50:46,199 is crazy. And it's very crazy. Let's go and continue on. And 2656 02:50:46,199 --> 02:50:49,949 the reason why I said it's the ruse, you were here and next to 2657 02:50:49,949 --> 02:50:51,389 clips listeners to part one. 2658 02:50:51,780 --> 02:50:55,020 Okay. Now, there's another part of this story that my producers 2659 02:50:55,290 --> 02:50:58,920 told me that while they were at your house, Terry the other day, 2660 02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:02,790 a huge bouquet of flowers arrived. That's what I was told 2661 02:51:02,790 --> 02:51:06,630 by the producer who was there. And they were from Jonathan. 2662 02:51:06,660 --> 02:51:10,290 Correct. Who had spent the night? Correct. 2663 02:51:10,949 --> 02:51:14,939 He had stayed over, but he didn't spend the night. He's 2664 02:51:14,939 --> 02:51:15,329 gay. 2665 02:51:20,730 --> 02:51:23,340 Okay, nothing happened. Basically, 2666 02:51:23,369 --> 02:51:26,639 nothing happened. But I heard there was some cuddling and 2667 02:51:27,089 --> 02:51:31,109 bathing and stuff going on. That's what I heard 2668 02:51:31,140 --> 02:51:34,170 when you want to know what what we have a really big bathtub. 2669 02:51:35,070 --> 02:51:37,380 I was on my side. And she was on her side. And the thing 2670 02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:41,040 is that Java see me with my clothes off for 10 years. Yeah. 2671 02:51:41,070 --> 02:51:44,610 Okay. And I know he doesn't have a tub where he is. Yeah. And it 2672 02:51:44,610 --> 02:51:45,870 was sort of like closure. 2673 02:51:45,960 --> 02:51:49,020 It's not like we came in what we lost Where is never going to 2674 02:51:49,020 --> 02:51:52,440 happen again. It was just kind of closure, as she said. Oh, 2675 02:51:52,440 --> 02:51:52,770 sure. 2676 02:51:53,430 --> 02:51:58,080 Are you? Are you on now? I'm French. Yeah. 2677 02:51:59,100 --> 02:51:59,880 I won't be 2678 02:51:59,880 --> 02:52:02,610 like fine. Yeah, we're getting there. But yeah, exactly. It's 2679 02:52:02,610 --> 02:52:05,580 gonna be weird. We're not gonna be weird, is we're just taking 2680 02:52:05,580 --> 02:52:06,030 our time, 2681 02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:09,690 you know, taking your time to do what not to kind of like thing 2682 02:52:09,690 --> 02:52:11,760 is what to kind of like, what 2683 02:52:13,620 --> 02:52:16,860 kind of like we acquaint ourselves with my new lifestyle. 2684 02:52:16,890 --> 02:52:20,160 And, you know, for her accepting me for who I am, basically. 2685 02:52:21,389 --> 02:52:23,879 And that was laughter back then too. Interesting. 2686 02:52:26,490 --> 02:52:31,560 Now, they Kiki and he said he's gay. Could you imagine the 2687 02:52:31,620 --> 02:52:37,740 audience going off and laughs they're gay? No. But at the same 2688 02:52:37,740 --> 02:52:43,260 time, she knew what he was, but she was it was a boy toy. Nah, 2689 02:52:43,260 --> 02:52:46,200 spirits like that out. It's like, hey, I'll pay you. You can 2690 02:52:46,200 --> 02:52:50,460 go out and do your thing kind of thing. As long as you take care 2691 02:52:50,460 --> 02:52:53,910 of me, it's called Sexual survivor. We talked about this a 2692 02:52:53,910 --> 02:52:58,110 long time ago. And it goes both ways. You have said heterosexual 2693 02:52:58,110 --> 02:53:00,990 man and participate in homosexual activities to survive 2694 02:53:00,990 --> 02:53:04,140 and then you have homosexual men that participate in heterosexual 2695 02:53:04,140 --> 02:53:11,520 activities to survive Yep, so that's what that's what's going 2696 02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:14,850 on I could say but this is someone 2697 02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:18,360 there's something about Oprah that I've always thought was off 2698 02:53:22,020 --> 02:53:25,230 something's not right. Something's not right about her. 2699 02:53:26,430 --> 02:53:33,540 rabbit hole goes so deep. I don't have a rope to pull it 2700 02:53:33,810 --> 02:53:37,200 out, but you got to break her off in pieces like cuz did she 2701 02:53:37,230 --> 02:53:41,880 her thumb is on the pulse. Here right? Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 2702 02:53:41,940 --> 02:53:45,930 The age rollout. Magic Johnson which we didn't talk about his 2703 02:53:46,140 --> 02:53:50,160 whole nother a whole nother part. But that's why they need 2704 02:53:50,160 --> 02:53:53,910 to download brother because they couldn't say see magic didn't 2705 02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:58,050 bring it home the cookie. Right. So they had to have an 2706 02:53:58,050 --> 02:54:03,150 explanation of how was jumping the you know, the barrier? If 2707 02:54:03,150 --> 02:54:05,220 everybody straight? What was the 2708 02:54:05,790 --> 02:54:09,030 explanation against the destination for magic? 2709 02:54:09,960 --> 02:54:14,040 No, what? Well, you know, it's it's she got lucky, basically. 2710 02:54:15,210 --> 02:54:18,240 But they stay married, which Yeah, I guess that's how you 2711 02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:18,630 don't get 2712 02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:22,500 another show another show? Yeah, I got another 2713 02:54:22,500 --> 02:54:26,130 show. So let's go ahead and wrap it up with Terry McMillan and 2714 02:54:26,670 --> 02:54:27,540 her ex husband. 2715 02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:30,690 I've already accepted you for who you are. On a different 2716 02:54:30,690 --> 02:54:32,460 level. Yeah, but you're not gonna be we're not gonna be 2717 02:54:32,460 --> 02:54:32,850 kicking it. 2718 02:54:32,880 --> 02:54:36,720 I know that we're not but I don't I don't want to kick it 2719 02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:40,890 with you. I don't don't I'm not taking the wrong way. I'm not 2720 02:54:41,010 --> 02:54:41,430 okay. 2721 02:54:41,490 --> 02:54:44,460 You're frustrated Are you? The thing is 2722 02:54:45,810 --> 02:54:49,200 I'm telling my side excuses frustrated Wait, bring telling 2723 02:54:49,200 --> 02:54:51,900 everybody mice? It's a two way thing you know that sometimes 2724 02:54:51,900 --> 02:54:54,660 she's always that always dominated the conversations with 2725 02:54:54,660 --> 02:54:56,100 us. Right. 2726 02:54:58,469 --> 02:55:02,999 Do you feel that you Were just when you were repressing your 2727 02:55:03,599 --> 02:55:08,279 homosexuality. I was, well, you live in a lie. But you know why? 2728 02:55:08,279 --> 02:55:10,349 And I And let me just say this Think before you answer this 2729 02:55:10,349 --> 02:55:14,849 question, right? Because there are a lot of young boys and 2730 02:55:14,849 --> 02:55:18,929 girls who are watching you and who need the truth who need just 2731 02:55:18,929 --> 02:55:21,839 the truth. And every time somebody tells the truth, you 2732 02:55:21,839 --> 02:55:26,249 free other people to also be truthful and so there's no 2733 02:55:26,249 --> 02:55:29,309 reason at this point to pretend anything. So the fact that 2734 02:55:29,309 --> 02:55:31,829 you're sitting here and the fact that you all now are on their 2735 02:55:31,829 --> 02:55:37,619 way to whatever it is y'all on your way to at least for every 2736 02:55:37,619 --> 02:55:41,849 other gay guy out there who's repressing and his feelings and 2737 02:55:42,089 --> 02:55:45,089 you know, at least honor who you are now honor that 2738 02:55:45,120 --> 02:55:50,910 I am honored Terry, give me credit. RNA my lifestyle, okay, 2739 02:55:50,940 --> 02:55:54,300 it's not hard letting everybody know about your sexuality, 2740 02:55:54,510 --> 02:55:58,350 especially being gay. I live the lifestyle of a heterosexual with 2741 02:55:58,350 --> 02:56:02,640 her. I loved her. Uh huh. unconditionally, up until the 2742 02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:07,650 point of years at end I mean two years before the end before 2743 02:56:07,680 --> 02:56:08,550 before we ended 2744 02:56:13,650 --> 02:56:16,080 mass master rollout of the original super spreader right 2745 02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:22,950 there wow okay, steel goes on to this day steel goes in that 2746 02:56:22,950 --> 02:56:23,610 term. 2747 02:56:25,140 --> 02:56:29,730 super spreader or spreader I mean, download that's that's the 2748 02:56:29,730 --> 02:56:32,340 equivalent like that's the equivalent to super spread 2749 02:56:32,370 --> 02:56:36,630 that's how that virus got into the heterosexual woman black 2750 02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:39,570 woman pool now it's not exclusively So black 2751 02:56:40,469 --> 02:56:44,789 is right so he's patient zero of the of the crossover. 2752 02:56:45,240 --> 02:56:51,510 Yes. Wow. And like I said, but it's only heterosexual men 2753 02:56:51,900 --> 02:56:55,680 because if you're openly gay a whole nother whole nother 2754 02:56:55,680 --> 02:57:00,090 problem. No problem is no problem. No problem. Because on 2755 02:57:00,090 --> 02:57:03,780 the hierarchy they rent they outrank yes that women 2756 02:57:06,420 --> 02:57:07,920 ah 2757 02:57:10,170 --> 02:57:17,130 so in in five clippies remember Oprah says there's whispers Yes. 2758 02:57:17,130 --> 02:57:18,270 Always something 2759 02:57:19,110 --> 02:57:23,310 nice. A lot of women have close friends very few have friends as 2760 02:57:23,310 --> 02:57:27,750 close as you describe that friendship to me. Oh, 2761 02:57:27,870 --> 02:57:28,380 okay 2762 02:57:38,219 --> 02:57:51,779 she is the mother I never had she is the sister everybody 2763 02:57:51,779 --> 02:58:01,919 would want she is the friend that everybody deserves I don't 2764 02:58:01,919 --> 02:58:09,059 know a better person I don't know. A better person. 2765 02:58:09,570 --> 02:58:13,890 Why is it making you cry? She 2766 02:58:14,190 --> 02:58:18,090 wasn't gonna cry here. It's making me cry because I'm 2767 02:58:18,090 --> 02:58:24,990 thinking about how much I probably have never told her 2768 02:58:24,990 --> 02:58:31,350 that. Tissue please. Anatomy tissue. I've never told her 2769 02:58:31,350 --> 02:58:31,770 that. 2770 02:58:32,190 --> 02:58:37,710 So when those to me dumb rumors come up. Then you are gay. A 2771 02:58:37,710 --> 02:58:40,230 gay? What do you say? 2772 02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:46,590 Well, I have said we are not gay. enough times. I'm not 2773 02:58:46,590 --> 02:58:51,810 lesbian. I'm not even kind of lesbian. And the reason why it 2774 02:58:51,810 --> 02:58:55,710 irritates me is because it means that somebody must think I'm 2775 02:58:55,710 --> 02:59:00,390 lying. That's number one. Number two. Why would you want to hide 2776 02:59:00,390 --> 02:59:04,170 it? That is that is not the way I run my life. 2777 02:59:05,459 --> 02:59:09,059 Ah, where would she be on the hierarchy if she was lesbian if 2778 02:59:09,059 --> 02:59:09,749 she came out? 2779 02:59:10,830 --> 02:59:14,430 Oh, she would be well I don't know the goat is long afterwards 2780 02:59:14,430 --> 02:59:20,640 okay to come out. Hmm, that's a tough one. But she will be Oh, 2781 02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:26,700 she will be over a gay man. Because she has two checks being 2782 02:59:26,700 --> 02:59:29,820 a woman and yes of course black with three checks three 2783 02:59:29,820 --> 02:59:31,350 checks. This is straight to rare triple. 2784 02:59:32,520 --> 02:59:37,500 Right. Off the top her is a maybe a trans black 2785 02:59:37,500 --> 02:59:40,860 man. Or if Oprah decided to become a man. 2786 02:59:41,490 --> 02:59:48,540 Oh, she she did that. She reached the pinnacle of putting 2787 02:59:48,540 --> 02:59:51,060 a cherry on all this to bring search circle phone calls. 2788 02:59:51,540 --> 02:59:59,460 Reverend Wright's church, allegedly was also set up to 2789 03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,200 Pair of people that were interested in same sex with 2790 03:00:04,260 --> 03:00:05,340 opposite sex. 2791 03:00:05,910 --> 03:00:08,850 Uh oh, really? 2792 03:00:09,150 --> 03:00:13,230 Yes. That's why Obama was allegedly going to that church, 2793 03:00:13,260 --> 03:00:17,070 right. Oh, man. You mean Barry just to break 2794 03:00:17,190 --> 03:00:21,660 excuse me, Barry. I just bring that full circle but that's 2795 03:00:21,660 --> 03:00:25,830 that's, oh man, my mess. This is not a COVID show. 2796 03:00:26,490 --> 03:00:29,580 It's not but it's also it's not a show. This show doesn't really 2797 03:00:29,580 --> 03:00:33,180 end here. Nor does it. Not it does not have a camera in here 2798 03:00:33,180 --> 03:00:36,240 because there's so much that you've uncovered. I really 2799 03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:42,390 appreciate the helping me understand how this how AIDS 2800 03:00:42,390 --> 03:00:47,850 still. The SIOP still lives in the minds. Hmm. And of course, 2801 03:00:47,850 --> 03:00:50,460 how that affects everything that's happening right now and 2802 03:00:50,460 --> 03:00:55,650 how pathetic all these efforts are that, you know, the media 2803 03:00:55,650 --> 03:00:59,460 efforts to try and you know, remove vaccine hesitancy This is 2804 03:00:59,460 --> 03:01:03,450 not hesitancy This is a baked in like valid fear. 2805 03:01:04,469 --> 03:01:08,609 And recent, like you said with giggy that was decades ago, 2806 03:01:08,639 --> 03:01:10,649 right? I mean, what's it Stella 2807 03:01:10,650 --> 03:01:13,020 Got Her Groove Back? Everybody knows that's pretty recent, you 2808 03:01:13,020 --> 03:01:13,350 know? 2809 03:01:13,740 --> 03:01:16,620 Right. So this is something I lived through. I didn't live 2810 03:01:16,620 --> 03:01:20,520 through Teskey right. I didn't live through Henrietta Lacks, I 2811 03:01:20,520 --> 03:01:26,580 lived through this. And my peers lived through this. So just want 2812 03:01:26,580 --> 03:01:27,000 to say that 2813 03:01:27,060 --> 03:01:31,470 so most thank you for this one. This is this I'm real proud of 2814 03:01:31,470 --> 03:01:34,350 this work, man. This is gonna this is good. This is real. This 2815 03:01:34,350 --> 03:01:37,380 is something that goes far beyond anything I could have 2816 03:01:37,380 --> 03:01:40,680 imagined me achieving in this podcast. People will want to 2817 03:01:40,680 --> 03:01:42,840 listen to this they'll want to share because it's kind of the 2818 03:01:42,840 --> 03:01:46,560 trifecta. And it sets you up for understanding a lot of the 2819 03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:49,530 forces in this world and the lizard people 2820 03:01:50,040 --> 03:01:54,060 and it lives with people and as I always say, pay attention to 2821 03:01:54,060 --> 03:01:56,400 everything and the truth reveal itself 2822 03:01:57,000 --> 03:02:00,930 and we will be back with you on the Lost Tapes Wednesday Moby 2823 03:02:00,930 --> 03:02:04,320 there for that of course go to more facts.com and episode 2824 03:02:04,320 --> 03:02:08,460 number 70 Come up on the next show. Have a good one mo thank 2825 03:02:08,460 --> 03:02:09,150 you so much man. 2826 03:02:09,780 --> 03:02:11,760 RC MCs See also 2827 03:02:15,570 --> 03:02:34,950 our turn up girls you you know they're not always 2828 03:02:36,150 --> 03:02:51,840 here to be and to happen what happened to me that can describe 2829 03:02:54,330 --> 03:03:05,730 what I failed I found out the man I loved another guy we were 2830 03:03:05,730 --> 03:03:34,890 at a party couldn't believe he was breathing and French kissing 2831 03:04:02,070 --> 03:04:13,590 he would go camping and fishing never crossed my man and he was 2832 03:04:13,590 --> 03:04:59,190 not now me that you were gay when you knew you knew around 2833 03:04:59,190 --> 03:05:09,000 you He is what he had to say. I knew I had those feelings and I 2834 03:05:09,000 --> 03:05:23,460 didn't want it to be CFO. Girl I thought it would change me came 2835 03:05:24,930 --> 03:05:26,820 she says I'm sorry.