1
00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:05,940
Leaving

2
00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:07,950
no fees.

3
00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:38,820
more facts with Adam Curry for
July 10 2021. This is episode

4
00:00:38,820 --> 00:00:43,230
number 64. Where Have y'all
been? We've been waiting for

5
00:00:43,230 --> 00:00:43,470
you.

6
00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:48,750
Yes, we're back with that part
two you've been waiting for I'm

7
00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:52,290
Adam Curry in the heart of Texas
no country and my friend on the

8
00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:56,730
other end, ladies and gentlemen,
the ever on imitable Mr. Mo

9
00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,720
facts.

10
00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:02,490
Well, how am I doing? I've been
missing, you know, I've been

11
00:01:02,490 --> 00:01:05,580
missing you. That's how I'm
doing. How you doing?

12
00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:07,860
I'm doing better.

13
00:01:09,060 --> 00:01:12,750
Sorry for the long delay. But as
you know, the show is ready when

14
00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:16,890
it's ready. Yes, I've been down
the rabbit hole of all rabbit

15
00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:17,430
holes.

16
00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,910
And just dealing with life. So
yeah, yeah, this is a well

17
00:01:23,910 --> 00:01:27,810
placed pause in life so we can
have this conversation that we

18
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,840
are going to have today. I'm so
looking forward to this. We've

19
00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,050
started it several times it
stopped. There's been technical

20
00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:37,050
issues. There's been life
issues. I moved. That was

21
00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:37,950
another issue.

22
00:01:39,030 --> 00:01:43,470
But we're here and I presume, Mo
This is going to be we are

23
00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:48,900
people too. This is the follow
up to our last episode. Yes, it

24
00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:49,860
definitely did.

25
00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,020
I think people didn't know where
I was going with the web. And I

26
00:01:55,020 --> 00:01:58,230
got a lot of good feedback from
we are people. And I want to

27
00:01:58,230 --> 00:02:02,580
continue to show the
relationship between a Megan the

28
00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:06,750
stallion and maxine waters. We
looked at the

29
00:02:08,009 --> 00:02:08,519
for

30
00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,020
I pun intended, the working side

31
00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:19,110
of the relationship, the women
that use their bodies, and I

32
00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:22,590
want to make some clear, the
working side can be taken as a

33
00:02:22,590 --> 00:02:26,340
double entendre because women to
actually use their physical

34
00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:29,130
bodies for labor, such as
claiming the same thing. They

35
00:02:29,130 --> 00:02:33,810
kind of fit on that same side of
the common folk. So we're going

36
00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:38,730
to look at the educated side now
and also reveal the third party

37
00:02:38,730 --> 00:02:41,910
in the room. I know. I know
people have been waiting on

38
00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:45,510
that. So I guess we can jump
right in. Do you want to do we

39
00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:47,880
need to roll out the wheel at
all just for old?

40
00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:53,130
Ladies, gentlemen, we know where
we're going. But still the

41
00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:56,250
absolute topic of mo factions
Adam Curry for episode number

42
00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,000
64. There's only one person who
knows we will find out

43
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,470
collectively The topic is is
called w AP. Yes.

44
00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,990
All right. All right. I'm very
excited. For this moment, I'm

45
00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:14,250
ready for the long haul. And I'm
sure even brought in some things

46
00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:15,540
that happened over the past

47
00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,650
six weeks or so that may or may
have been interesting is that

48
00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:21,030
part of the rabbit hole you went
down?

49
00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,480
That is boosting

50
00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:33,480
clips, I was moved by your
article. And I was so pleased

51
00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:38,550
that you wrote the article for a
lot of reasons, oftentimes,

52
00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:42,150
particularly happens with
entertainers, they put you in a

53
00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:48,390
box. And somehow they don't see
you as a person who has a life

54
00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:53,580
that includes a family, that
includes interactions, decisions

55
00:03:53,580 --> 00:03:56,220
that you have to make that has
nothing to do with your

56
00:03:56,220 --> 00:04:01,410
performance. And so they don't
see you as thinking about the

57
00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:05,070
pipe, for example of black
women, or civil rights or any of

58
00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:08,760
these issues. So that's why I
was very pleased that you wrote

59
00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,980
it. And so when we saw it, we
thought, Wow, this is great. And

60
00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:18,330
I'm so pleased, let's, let's
writer, let's let's letter, that

61
00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:21,810
we think that that she's doing a
great thing and has done a great

62
00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:25,680
thing. And I want you to know
that when you you know speak of

63
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,680
yourself and you say maybe you
know people think you're being

64
00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,140
too controversial, etc, etc. Pay
that no attention. There's some

65
00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:38,760
people who don't have courage
and don't have confidence. They

66
00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,390
don't understand it when they
see it in other people. So you

67
00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:45,540
should be proud of that. You
should be proud of who you are.

68
00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:50,760
And I know you are not only your
talent, but your person who What

69
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,800
do you care about? And what is
it that you're doing that is not

70
00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,920
only good for you, but it's good
for others. So thank you very

71
00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,970
much and I'm pleased

72
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,120
Be with you. I'm glad you played
this. This kind of brings me

73
00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,930
back into where we left off.
Yes. So just to bring people up

74
00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:09,660
to speed or if you're listening
for the first time

75
00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:11,070
the

76
00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,990
last episode and this episode is
centered around a quote unquote

77
00:05:15,990 --> 00:05:19,950
conversation between Meghan the
stallion, Maxine Waters and a

78
00:05:19,950 --> 00:05:25,050
third party, which I'm willing
to unmask. Ask now. Okay,

79
00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,810
Caitlin, Caitlin Greenwich so
much. Yes. So she's the one that

80
00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:34,620
wrote this article and link
these two together. And we're

81
00:05:34,620 --> 00:05:38,730
gonna look into her background.
But one thing we didn't discuss

82
00:05:38,730 --> 00:05:43,200
last time we didn't discuss in
detail was the name of the

83
00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,950
article. And that is Megan the
stallion and Representative

84
00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:54,480
waters. Own massage Anwar saying
no, and the genes are web. So

85
00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,790
that's the full title. Massage
Noir. Yes. So I brought him in

86
00:05:59,790 --> 00:06:02,130
with the web but this is what we
really got to talk about

87
00:06:03,210 --> 00:06:05,940
that massage and more so that is
a

88
00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:09,570
I guess you would call it
amalgamation of two words

89
00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,640
massage knee and the French word
for black right? Yes. So this is

90
00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,230
black massage knee.

91
00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:22,200
Wow, I really like I hadn't. I
didn't get this term, the first

92
00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,930
term massage Noir. I like that.
That's that is Yeah.

93
00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:30,330
Everybody took the whap and ran
with it and the audacity and ran

94
00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:32,400
with it but this was the hidden

95
00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:37,590
message it's like the payload
it's the payload that was in the

96
00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:41,970
in the bomb that and it really
is the schedule. It went past

97
00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:45,930
our conscious mind. It slips
right into our unconscious mind.

98
00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:50,340
And what this is referring back
to what happened with her and

99
00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:54,060
Tori lanes with the shooting
incident. And so this is why

100
00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:58,950
Megan the stallion, is it
several reasons why she's um, a

101
00:06:58,950 --> 00:07:03,330
great and I uses words
respectfully but acid for the

102
00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:06,750
globalist right and and the
democratic or liberal

103
00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:09,390
politicians because they can use
her.

104
00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,010
She's educated school, we're
going to talk about that side.

105
00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:20,310
She has sex appeal. And now she
also is a victim of a violent

106
00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:24,540
crime from a man. Right. So she
gets shot in the foot Was that

107
00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:27,570
it? He Yes. Yes.

108
00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:33,120
Boy ended up in her foot this
correct. Allegedly, there's some

109
00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,450
there's some cloudiness around
that, but this is why they chose

110
00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:40,770
to bring her and just talk about
massage Noir. And what I have to

111
00:07:40,770 --> 00:07:44,700
say about that is if we're going
to say well massage knee

112
00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:49,650
just the word itself is from
whiteness. And you got you're

113
00:07:49,650 --> 00:07:52,380
talking about black and you're
being so that's a racist aspect

114
00:07:52,380 --> 00:07:55,050
to it. This is targeted towards
black men.

115
00:07:56,670 --> 00:07:57,330
This is the

116
00:07:59,220 --> 00:08:04,680
Latin ah so massage Anwar is
black on both sides. Correct.

117
00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:10,620
And that's why holy crap. Yes.
Now we see why we're here so we

118
00:08:10,620 --> 00:08:14,850
can go ahead. What I also like
to do is go back and talk about

119
00:08:14,850 --> 00:08:17,460
some of the things that Maxi
martyr said and we can move on.

120
00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:21,720
She said no confidence. So for
women that think they shouldn't

121
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,900
use their bodies in a in a
sexual manner to gain attention

122
00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:29,310
or, or clout. You don't have
confidence and this is a prime

123
00:08:29,310 --> 00:08:31,830
example of shaming what we
talked about sign language

124
00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,110
before. From I'm

125
00:08:36,150 --> 00:08:40,560
Kevin Samuels and he's a really
lightning rod right now but the

126
00:08:40,590 --> 00:08:44,670
sign language is a abbreviate I
mean not abbreviation but a

127
00:08:47,250 --> 00:08:50,250
website. Not abbreviation?
what's the word I'm looking for?

128
00:08:50,910 --> 00:08:54,690
What are you saying when you say
sign language? Si Si gn.

129
00:08:57,090 --> 00:09:00,330
Each word each letter stands for
a word word word, an acronym.

130
00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:04,470
acronym. But yeah, I don't know
why this escaped me. But shaming

131
00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:04,680
is

132
00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:09,600
an acronym, sign language. And
what she's doing now is shaming

133
00:09:09,630 --> 00:09:12,840
other women. She's not shaming
men. She shaming women, they say

134
00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,210
if you don't agree with this,
then you don't have any

135
00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:19,950
confidence. So confidence is a
key point to Audacity. And that

136
00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:24,870
leads us right into clip number
three, which is from the last

137
00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:28,680
show redefining female Audacity.
audacity

138
00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,970
is defined as having the courage
to make bold choices or

139
00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:43,170
excessive confidence. It is both
of those or either of those.

140
00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,220
I define female audacity as
having the excessive confidence

141
00:09:50,310 --> 00:09:55,410
a woman needs to make bold
choices between two seemingly

142
00:09:55,410 --> 00:09:59,970
conflicting but significant
elements of her life, women

143
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,170
are sometimes faced with
additional stress, once they

144
00:10:04,170 --> 00:10:09,000
decide to bring a child into the
world. How are we defined now?

145
00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,610
Are we a nurturing mother? Or
are we a career woman?

146
00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:21,780
This seemingly polarizing event
in a woman's life can be tragic

147
00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:23,790
and very difficult to deal with.

148
00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,720
The dichotomy exists between
working career woman and mother.

149
00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:36,810
It exists so powerfully that our
culture has labeled it mommy

150
00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:44,190
wars, a war between women simply
because they have made different

151
00:10:44,190 --> 00:10:45,090
choices.

152
00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:49,860
Will they have the audacity to
forego their family to chase

153
00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:52,920
after their ambitions? Or will
they have the audacity

154
00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:56,370
to be a nurturing mother and
dedicate themselves to their

155
00:10:56,370 --> 00:11:00,810
children? Either way, it seems
to have a negative connotation,

156
00:11:00,930 --> 00:11:03,900
but the fact remains that the
war exists.

157
00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:09,810
And this is why this is
important because this is

158
00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:15,630
somewhat a treaty in the mommy
wars. What you have the career

159
00:11:15,630 --> 00:11:20,760
woman, Maxine, being Maxine
Waters, sitting down with the

160
00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:27,750
working woman, or the mothers
See, women are divided on this,

161
00:11:28,110 --> 00:11:31,590
what their political what she
has her word, the polarizing

162
00:11:31,620 --> 00:11:32,040
event.

163
00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:37,530
Is your question about that?
Yes. Because I know how this so

164
00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:42,240
called mommy war plays out with
white women mainly. And I would

165
00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:48,540
say it's, it's not at all a war.
But that in general, and I'm

166
00:11:48,540 --> 00:11:52,290
just projecting what I what I've
witnessed throughout my life in

167
00:11:52,290 --> 00:11:55,590
general, the the stay at home
mom

168
00:11:57,990 --> 00:12:03,030
is proud of her choice. And
says, you know, it's not the

169
00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:07,680
choice I would make. But go
ahead. You can have a career. I

170
00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,040
think actually the career white
woman is a little more

171
00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:16,440
at war with the stay at home
woman than the other way around.

172
00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,500
Is that the same? What? Well,
war could be one person could

173
00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,680
start award up me you're not
fighting me? Sure, sure. I'm

174
00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,980
just saying I don't know. I
would say what you want to say

175
00:12:29,010 --> 00:12:31,620
I'm not put words your mouth.
But Wow, understanding if one is

176
00:12:31,620 --> 00:12:37,020
on the offensive? Yes, exactly.
In my experience, the career

177
00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:40,680
woman is more on the offensive.
Yes. And that their main tactic

178
00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:44,040
is the shaming. See what See,
where are we going here? Well,

179
00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,410
like Hillary Clinton, she said,
I'm not gonna sit at home and

180
00:12:46,410 --> 00:12:47,700
bake apple pies.

181
00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:53,040
Correct. And just like, well,
Michelle Obama says she's a

182
00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,360
single mom. See, it's a, which
was a head scratcher.

183
00:12:58,650 --> 00:13:01,920
If you could pull off both see,
and this is the thing, this is

184
00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,670
where the audacity and the
conflict and the polarizing

185
00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:09,150
events, like dichotomy, all
these words you use come into

186
00:13:09,150 --> 00:13:14,550
play. Because if you can balance
that working mother, that career

187
00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:17,280
woman that has it all, you know,
this mean, the one that has it

188
00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,440
all. But you know how this woman
said it's polarizing. So to pull

189
00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,700
that off, both to go out in the
working world, and try to have a

190
00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,250
career and be a mom is like,

191
00:13:31,830 --> 00:13:36,750
a very high expectation. Yeah.
Well, hell yeah. And it's, it's

192
00:13:36,750 --> 00:13:38,610
a really a form of elitism.

193
00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:40,950
If you can't do both,

194
00:13:42,180 --> 00:13:45,750
yeah. What you can't do both,
you're not able to do both

195
00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:49,440
What's wrong with you? Right.
And we've heard we've had, we've

196
00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,930
had talked about this on shows
before the pressures that mom

197
00:13:51,930 --> 00:13:55,560
had, and this is the point of
why I'm doing this. I think we

198
00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:00,390
have to, we can't fight this
mommy war for women. No. But

199
00:14:00,390 --> 00:14:04,110
what we have to do is let them
know that they have our support.

200
00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:07,200
So they can be vocal.

201
00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:12,240
Whether is they feel like
they're being and to each his

202
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,760
own. And I know some somebody
got really frustrated with me

203
00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,890
saying, Ah, good luck. You know,
are all the power to you said

204
00:14:19,890 --> 00:14:22,320
women that you'd like that you
choose to use their body? If

205
00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,800
that's your adult choice, fine.
If that's your adult choice to

206
00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,070
forego motherhood and be a
career woman, that's your

207
00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:33,960
choice. But when I say is the
machine that creates these

208
00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:38,100
images and means a women that
have all creates mental

209
00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:43,590
unhealthy mental expectations of
women? Sure, well, it that's and

210
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:46,980
yes, of course, I agree. And I
think we've talked many times

211
00:14:46,980 --> 00:14:49,680
before that even just the
fashion industry creates

212
00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:54,360
unhealthy images for women to
aspire to often and this is what

213
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,660
good bring it back to Megan the
stallion. This is why she's so

214
00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,970
effective because she

215
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,770
has a body image not

216
00:15:02,909 --> 00:15:05,969
typical to the modeling
industry? She's a more

217
00:15:05,969 --> 00:15:10,169
forefinger woman. She's educated
and what she still can you're

218
00:15:10,169 --> 00:15:13,769
saying she's still fun. I don't
have anything personally gets

219
00:15:13,769 --> 00:15:18,329
Megan the stallion. But when you
allow yourself to be used, or

220
00:15:18,329 --> 00:15:22,139
maybe it's a Britney Spears
situation, he was saying, will

221
00:15:22,139 --> 00:15:25,049
you sign out when you sign on to
these things? We need to start

222
00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:29,519
looking at how many stars under
what control is interesting.

223
00:15:30,479 --> 00:15:33,629
Last night Tina and I were
talking with Michael we're

224
00:15:33,629 --> 00:15:36,809
playing Michael Jackson popped
up on the on the playlist. And

225
00:15:36,809 --> 00:15:39,329
it's like he was 40 years old
then. And I said, you know,

226
00:15:39,329 --> 00:15:43,079
really, we talked about the chi
was kind of similar story to

227
00:15:43,079 --> 00:15:46,469
Britney Spears only different
obviously. But he was

228
00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,030
but he was on stage when he was
five. You know, it gets

229
00:15:51,030 --> 00:15:53,700
literally controlled by his
father and you know, and that

230
00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:57,330
carries on like Britney Spears
damaged man damaged from the

231
00:15:57,330 --> 00:16:01,050
Disney club, the Mickey Mouse
Club. I don't think you can ever

232
00:16:01,050 --> 00:16:04,680
really undo that. I mean, it's
that's just who you've been

233
00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,570
trained to be. And it's like,
it's a it's a system. Yeah, this

234
00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:14,610
is not by happenstance. This is
a system where we are okay, I

235
00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:17,730
know I want to hit this right
quick. And I'm gonna show you we

236
00:16:17,730 --> 00:16:19,200
don't want ranks number four,

237
00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:25,050
black radio, in any city
advertise, it's your kid I want

238
00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:27,510
to be a Disney star bla bla bla
bla bring them down to the

239
00:16:27,510 --> 00:16:30,630
convention center so we can poke
and prod them right you know,

240
00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:34,530
saying basically, artist you
know that because I mean me

241
00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:37,770
having three daughters me and
Mr. sfax had to have a serious

242
00:16:37,770 --> 00:16:39,960
conversation like not it's not
happening because we were saying

243
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:40,650
my kids are

244
00:16:41,940 --> 00:16:46,260
blessed with being attractive or
cute or whatever you want to

245
00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:50,430
call it. So I'm like, Nah,
you're not taking them there to

246
00:16:50,430 --> 00:16:52,680
be picked and they move up a
level

247
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,570
it's presented as such a way out
isn't it? It's the same with the

248
00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,420
Toddlers and Tiaras and it's so
attractive for parents because

249
00:17:03,420 --> 00:17:06,900
you feel good oh my kid is
beautiful or is wanted or

250
00:17:06,930 --> 00:17:12,090
desirable or is pretty whatever
it is and and oh boy I could you

251
00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:14,730
know I could the kid could be on
the path could have a career

252
00:17:14,970 --> 00:17:17,730
thinking that that is you know
that show business is a groovy

253
00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:21,930
way to go and the Disney machine
fees this

254
00:17:22,980 --> 00:17:26,700
you can see it play out in
reality TV and this is going

255
00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:28,560
back to Megan the stallion
because I want to get the clip

256
00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,070
for

257
00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:34,530
her means you got to look at hot
girl summer we talked about this

258
00:17:34,530 --> 00:17:39,570
this show 50 to listen to how
hot girls summer man created by

259
00:17:39,570 --> 00:17:44,190
making stallion penetrated the
culture. And you're saying took

260
00:17:44,190 --> 00:17:47,640
hold. We have Wendy Williams
here is talking to a

261
00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:53,340
black woman whose name is India
and she's wearing a blonde wig.

262
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,860
Your wig designer? Yeah, you
designed the hell out of that

263
00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:02,010
one.

264
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:08,160
How can I help you India. So my
sister kind of had a hacker

265
00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,000
summer this summer. She was
messing around like three guys.

266
00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,130
And now she's pregnant.

267
00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:26,160
My advice so my question to you
is how do I advise her without

268
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,160
judging her? Is it your little
sister big sister, my older

269
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:29,520
sister.

270
00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:35,940
And she doesn't know who the
father is? Well, she only messed

271
00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:36,870
around with three guys.

272
00:18:39,090 --> 00:18:44,940
What she needs to do is visit
each guy. Now she's showing it

273
00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:47,760
No, perfect. Here's the plot.

274
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,400
She's going to visit each guy
and take their toothbrushes.

275
00:18:55,650 --> 00:19:00,870
And you get that DNA test done.
So that she isn't liquorish goes

276
00:19:00,870 --> 00:19:02,880
back and says who was the
father? Who's the father? Who's

277
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,850
the father? Yeah, I understand.
Yeah. So she was using no

278
00:19:05,850 --> 00:19:10,770
protection. just screwing around
hacker no hot girls. Do that.

279
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,700
See what

280
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:22,740
you need the DNA test and the
best way to do it is to grab the

281
00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:27,240
toothbrush. I love how Jerry
Springer became a black woman.

282
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:35,370
The Ines Jerry Springer set the
mold for for the 90s and daytime

283
00:19:35,370 --> 00:19:38,910
television which birthed a whole
nother generation. You see I

284
00:19:38,910 --> 00:19:42,780
mean these and this is why I
don't get into like the

285
00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:47,820
characters or whatever is what
are they pushing and for her to

286
00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,800
be pushing hot girls summer

287
00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:55,440
and not laying out I mean real
consequences. And maybe Hey,

288
00:19:56,910 --> 00:19:57,570
maybe this

289
00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:00,000
adds to the

290
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,710
75% single parent

291
00:20:03,389 --> 00:20:07,469
in our community, quote unquote
community. Yeah. I'm not about

292
00:20:07,469 --> 00:20:10,439
to go all Prager, you all you,
but I'm just saying, I'm just

293
00:20:10,439 --> 00:20:12,539
saying is Does this

294
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040
have an effect on that? And I'm
sure it does, but certainly

295
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,800
doesn't seem like just something
to laugh and joke about. But you

296
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,670
know, this is why I don't watch
Wendy Williams. No, I'm just

297
00:20:23,670 --> 00:20:28,440
saying what this is. Why if
whatever mean making give Meghan

298
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,730
the stallion or she comes up
with, it will take hold. Yeah,

299
00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:36,150
that's why I'm sounding the
alarm. Summary that that crossed

300
00:20:36,150 --> 00:20:38,700
my Twitter several times. And
then I think it morphed into

301
00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:42,180
like, hot boys, summer, etc,
etc. But hot girl summer was

302
00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:46,590
definitely a thing that I saw
too. Yes. So it was broad is

303
00:20:46,590 --> 00:20:49,710
what I'm saying, since black
Twitter refuses to connect to

304
00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:54,030
me. They won't let you in.
Twitter won't let me see it.

305
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,640
He's got that show. That's
enough. Don't give him too much

306
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,240
information.

307
00:20:58,530 --> 00:21:02,190
But I'm just saying that the
reason why I brought up the

308
00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:03,810
blonde wig is

309
00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:08,610
this is on, you can choose
whatever color hair you want.

310
00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:11,850
Well, I'm just saying the beauty
standards that are set by this

311
00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:12,780
machine

312
00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:18,180
chews up women and spits them
out. And then on the other side

313
00:21:18,180 --> 00:21:21,990
of that the educational
requirements, you know, go to

314
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:25,110
school, you know, and

315
00:21:27,090 --> 00:21:30,720
don't learn how to have soft
skills and these kinds of things

316
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,440
that have excessive competence,
which isn't me when I hear a

317
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,530
sense of confidence that makes
me think toxic. So it's just a

318
00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:39,000
form of toxic femininity.

319
00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:45,300
I'm just saying that they have
the expectation that you need to

320
00:21:45,300 --> 00:21:47,970
have a sense of competence. If I
tell young men that they will

321
00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:49,500
say that was toxic masculinity.

322
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,750
Yes. By the way, the the
whenever I hear audacity, you

323
00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:57,720
know what pops into my head the
first association with that

324
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,660
Obama's book Audacity of Hope.
And

325
00:22:01,770 --> 00:22:04,860
sure, it's not an accident. him
sure it's not

326
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,760
sure it's not. So now we have to
go into a go back to the

327
00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:16,230
conversation between Magnus
Dahlia, Maxine Waters, and this

328
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:21,240
is a clip number five, when I
think about you, and you

329
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,690
continuing your education, I
said to myself, you know what,

330
00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:27,420
she doesn't have to go to nobody
schooling.

331
00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:34,140
She's got it, she's done it,
she's got it made. So that is so

332
00:22:34,290 --> 00:22:39,810
absolutely commendable that you
continue to focus on education,

333
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,250
when you know, you don't have to
have a you know, people go to

334
00:22:44,250 --> 00:22:48,300
school to try to get to where
you are. And here you are in

335
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:52,680
this place. And you're still you
know, paying attention. So

336
00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:57,450
that's a very, very commendable,
my mother and my great

337
00:22:57,450 --> 00:23:01,620
grandmother passed away
recently, but my grandmother is

338
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:04,050
still alive, and she will work
my butt.

339
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:09,150
Even me at 25, she will work my
butt and I dropped out of

340
00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:11,190
college. So I'm like, you know
what, I'm not only getting a

341
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:14,370
degree for myself, I'm getting
it for the women in my family

342
00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:18,660
who originally pushed me to go
to school. Anyway. That's why I

343
00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:22,110
remember if you had, you know,
Grandma, my great grandma, and

344
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:25,080
mom, and all of that, I know
what they say, girl get

345
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,480
educated, because they can't
take it out of your head. They

346
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,080
can't take it away from you. If
you get that they always say it

347
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,220
right, get

348
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:33,780
get

349
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:35,970
get some paper.

350
00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:42,450
That's great. And again, I
commend you for continuing to do

351
00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:46,050
that. And now I understand even
more, why it's important to you.

352
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,840
You're not just doing it for
yourself, you do it for them.

353
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:56,550
What always worries me is how so
many people can listen to the

354
00:23:56,550 --> 00:24:00,390
exact same clip or watch the
same video and just come and

355
00:24:00,390 --> 00:24:03,150
walk away with a totally
different idea of what was being

356
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:03,690
said.

357
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:10,050
The way they place the words,
this, this is why these people

358
00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:14,100
are valuable. When you can say
something and people can walk

359
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:17,550
away with it. Like Yeah, and
everybody feels like they Oh,

360
00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:19,980
well. Okay, I agree. And I
agree. And then two people sit

361
00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:22,440
down and talk about what they
heard. And it's like, there's no

362
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,260
agreement between the two
people. But they both agree with

363
00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:30,510
her. Right? That's what that is
man. No wonder. Maxine in her

364
00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:33,150
80s is still there. You're
right. She says she's very

365
00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:37,380
skillful. Because one thing she
says is, Oh, you don't have to

366
00:24:37,380 --> 00:24:39,900
go to school anymore, where
you're where people wants to go

367
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:43,620
to school. But then she turns
around and says how important

368
00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:46,950
schooling is. Yeah, they can't
take it out of your head. Right,

369
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:50,070
which we won't get to that one
because that is a meme of all

370
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:55,020
means and the black community,
um, that get education in your

371
00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:59,550
head, and they can't take it
away from me. Oh my god. We're

372
00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:00,000
gonna come back

373
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,980
back to that, because I have
something to say about I want to

374
00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:04,320
do it now. But now we've got to
do it now. Oh?

375
00:25:06,779 --> 00:25:14,249
Well, I wish that the new black
in your head meme would be your

376
00:25:14,249 --> 00:25:17,819
Bitcoin wallet addresses in your
head. They can't take your money

377
00:25:17,819 --> 00:25:19,109
away with what's in your head.

378
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,440
Yeah, and that's it's the
similar, except this would be

379
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,490
very valuable.

380
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,770
If the government can take away
your money can't steal from you,

381
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:35,580
then you have total control over
it. Take it with Bitcoin,

382
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,400
literally, they can take your
Bitcoin away. If you've

383
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,230
memorized like, 12 words, it's
in your head. Hmm. So anyway,

384
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,290
what that means in your head is
like, get Ace, get. Let's just

385
00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:51,630
be, we won't have an honest
conversation here. We always do.

386
00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:53,220
But we won't go a little deeper
here.

387
00:25:54,630 --> 00:26:00,150
Your degree is your freedom
papers. Yes. This is your ticket

388
00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:05,670
to whiteness, oh, not whiteness
as in complexion or race or

389
00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:09,600
anything like that to the into
the into the system. Right? And

390
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,630
then and it's the same, what I
realize is we're not the only

391
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:16,230
ones that have this, but we're
not aware of this. And

392
00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:20,820
at the same time, there's a
countering meme that says, if

393
00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:22,350
you're smart, you're weak.

394
00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:28,380
And this is where the the divide
comes between these two

395
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:31,980
communities. We're looking at it
on the female side. But

396
00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:32,940
nonetheless,

397
00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:39,450
okay, see me education is a
very, I mean, it goes back to

398
00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:42,180
slaves not being allowed to
read, it's a very hot button

399
00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:45,900
ticket, and I'm gonna be honest
with you. If somebody treats me

400
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,270
like, I'm educated, that is a
real

401
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:53,070
problem, lack of a better word.
microaggression. You're saying?

402
00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,890
No. And I mean, that in the
actual terms of it, like,

403
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,030
No, no, don't play me like, I'm
dumb. Mm hmm.

404
00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,840
And that's why this is a very
sensitive subject for our

405
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,650
people. But

406
00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:10,710
at the same time, what they done
is white supremacy, English,

407
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:13,890
talk about the World War One
World Government, if you don't

408
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:14,910
have papers.

409
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:17,760
You're not anybody?

410
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,240
Don't you? See? I can say it.
Start with us. Yeah.

411
00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:25,290
Yes. Okay. So let me just let me
just play this back. So what

412
00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:29,100
you're saying is, your
perception is that often,

413
00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:33,510
someone will say something
you're assuming or presuming

414
00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:36,390
that you're that you're
uneducated, just based upon your

415
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:39,150
exterior? exterior appearance.

416
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,760
Right. And what that comes in is
the it's not I've never had an

417
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,450
overt I Oh, you're dumb, right?
I am really comes from the

418
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:52,530
opposite side of pandering, or
the lower expectations.

419
00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:56,070
Real racism isn't? Oh, you know,

420
00:27:58,020 --> 00:28:02,550
real racism is not, you know, we
think black people are dumb like

421
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:07,980
this overtly. Real racism is
when you say, Oh, I didn't think

422
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:08,970
you could do that.

423
00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:15,600
Wow. Okay. And that's

424
00:28:16,890 --> 00:28:20,940
why. So I'm just explaining why
this is important. And it's even

425
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:24,630
more important to black women.
And I'm not here to say we

426
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:28,440
humanize people, but we also got
to see where the ideas come

427
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:34,230
from. So we can truly understand
them. And you know, and do away

428
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:35,760
with them if they're not
productive.

429
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,570
So but so getting the papers,
degrees also are seen as away

430
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:44,490
from being liberated from men.

431
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,350
For both black and white women
and women of color, because when

432
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:52,200
you have education, you don't
need financially you're not

433
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,300
financially tied to a man.
Right?

434
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:57,990
You know, what to see, you see?
Well, there's, there's, there's

435
00:28:58,020 --> 00:28:59,130
one extra

436
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,860
aspect to the education is,
we've seen, certainly in the

437
00:29:04,860 --> 00:29:11,040
past three to five years, a lot
of young people graduate, they

438
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,060
often have

439
00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:18,780
degrees in areas that really
either there's a lot of work for

440
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:23,670
it like social justice, but in
anything else, most young people

441
00:29:23,670 --> 00:29:27,930
come out, look around and say,
okay, there's 12 hours, $12 an

442
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:30,600
hour jobs for me what the hell
that I waste all my time in

443
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,560
college for? And that's what men
are kind of trying to tell

444
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,480
women. It's like, Don't try to
wait for years and $100,000

445
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:44,910
in debt to go sit in a cubicle.
We hate this. I mean, let's be

446
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:49,650
honest. We hate it. But we do it
so we can, you know, put you in

447
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:52,260
a situation where you can do
what you want to I mean, I said

448
00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:54,690
that's in a functioning
relationship. Right? I mean,

449
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:56,850
we're not and then we got to
fast forward a little bit but

450
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,970
we're not in the days of where
you know, you're at home.

451
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,410
Like barefoot and pregnant
women, women are able to do it

452
00:30:04,410 --> 00:30:08,280
both but the key word and let's
just go back a little bit, um,

453
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:13,650
is the career woman. Not the
career not the working woman but

454
00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:17,640
the working career woman.
Gotcha. you dedicate everything

455
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:21,810
to your career, because a woman
can easily have children and run

456
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,600
two or three small businesses
out of her home sure

457
00:30:26,190 --> 00:30:29,010
to be financially independent,
or maybe even the breadwinner in

458
00:30:29,010 --> 00:30:31,650
the house. That's not what we're
saying. We're saying this rat

459
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:34,470
race that men go through don't
you go to it?

460
00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:41,070
Hey, we're we're in the rat
race. Wow. Well, that white man

461
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:43,260
I don't think think that way
about white women.

462
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:48,720
Really? No, no, I think it's
it's so deeply ingrained that

463
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,590
it's like Yes, yes, go Go. Go.
Not even for a moment thinking.

464
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:55,410
You might see it really sucks.

465
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,150
I don't Yeah, I don't think so.
I don't think we've gotten to

466
00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:03,750
that point yet. And the other
reason is all these weird

467
00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:07,350
ideologies that you learn in
these liberal universities, and

468
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:11,700
we gotta get We gotta move on.
We're gonna go back to the movie

469
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:18,930
black girl in 1972 Brock Peters
and Leslie Uggams. I think I

470
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:21,090
pronounced that and let me just
set it up right quick. So we

471
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:25,050
have the eldest daughters normal
fan Ruth fan of mama Rosie, and

472
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:28,860
she's the mother. And that was
her two eldest daughters. Um,

473
00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:33,360
their father returned to town
helping to rekindle a

474
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,010
relationship with mama Rosie.

475
00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:39,690
Mama Rosie speaks about her
dreams. And we just take it from

476
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:40,110
there.

477
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:45,540
Getting into black girls clip
number six. Oh, Rosie didn't

478
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:48,660
tell you but she's done gone to
keep in girls every now and

479
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:52,800
then. First out was just want to
Norman ruffians friends that

480
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,060
didn't have no place to stay.

481
00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:59,040
Now every stray alikat in town
and found them a good thing.

482
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,290
I don't like that. You get many
money for this. I don't want the

483
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:04,890
money for

484
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,330
let me get this straight. You
mean? You just give the girl at

485
00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:12,270
home who ain't got no home just
out of the goodness of your

486
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:12,570
heart.

487
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:19,410
Those girls like there was my
own daughters. Oh, Norma Fey and

488
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:21,390
Ruth Ann and Billie Jean wasn't
enough.

489
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,130
They don't appreciate me like
the mother girls do. Maybe if

490
00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:31,050
you would appreciate us more
Mama. What is that appreciate

491
00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:34,680
normally? I don't think any
yells graduation pictures up

492
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,010
there.

493
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,560
Couldn't keep your dresses down.

494
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:42,000
Oh, y'all got caught? Yeah.

495
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:48,690
Wait till June like to shake her
tail. She's next. I don't put

496
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:50,250
don't fake and nominal.

497
00:32:52,260 --> 00:32:56,520
I Excuse me, I wanted I wanted
to watch this movie I didn't get

498
00:32:57,540 --> 00:32:59,880
because I know we played some of
these clips or clips from

499
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,930
different clips from it. So this
is mama Rosie shamy. her two

500
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:07,140
daughters, because they chose to
have children. And I want to be

501
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:09,870
clear those children were not
basters they were married to

502
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:14,070
their husbands. But they didn't
go on and get any education. And

503
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:16,440
you hear the shaming from mother
mama Rosie.

504
00:33:17,550 --> 00:33:23,430
And you hear the their father
and ma D My dear, which is I

505
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:27,870
think just long for modern Medea
is spelled the same way without

506
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:31,650
the AR. I mean with the AR
Excuse me, but you hear her

507
00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:34,770
shaman light. I don't see
anywhere your graduation

508
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:38,100
pictures up there. And you hear
the term the father use that

509
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:41,010
y'all got caught, huh? Yeah.

510
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:48,210
So this is where that feature
comes from? The it's the same

511
00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:52,350
thing in society. It's the
elitist mentality that education

512
00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:56,970
or formal education puts you in
a higher standard in society.

513
00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:03,330
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's
absolutely true. Sure. And then

514
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:06,990
the hierarchy on the women's
side is educated Mom, you know,

515
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:09,900
think cuz it's like, it's the
hierarchy of your educated

516
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:14,370
career woman and Mom, you have
educated career Mormon without

517
00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:18,210
being a mom. And then you have
like, kinda like the mom. And

518
00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:19,710
then you have the, you know,

519
00:34:20,910 --> 00:34:24,450
the woman without like, it's
like single month that where she

520
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:27,120
might be, excuse me, the single
mother at the very top, but at

521
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,140
the very bottom of it

522
00:34:29,340 --> 00:34:33,840
is the woman that is married
with children, and no formal

523
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,090
education or career.

524
00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:41,670
It's very sad. I mean, like I
said, it's one reason why I'm

525
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,060
bringing this up is this is the
globalist plan to drive a wedge

526
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:53,430
between the natural order of men
and women. We can both coexist.

527
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:58,380
Well if you use technology in
its proper form, if you use all

528
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:59,970
the things that the society has

529
00:35:00,539 --> 00:35:03,479
It's not a bad society by no
means.

530
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,250
But it's the pressure that they
put on through these people like

531
00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:12,450
Megan, the stallion, for the
people that Maxine Waters

532
00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:13,170
serves.

533
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:17,760
The question that immediately
pops to mind, I'm maxine waters.

534
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:22,440
When you say this is the plan,
and of course I'm all in, I'm

535
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,780
all in with you. I'm just
hearing people saying, well,

536
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:28,650
who's making this plan? And when
did this plan come up? And why

537
00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:31,380
are they doing it? And is it Are
they really conscious that

538
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:33,870
they're doing it when I'm Maxine
Waters, I think is very

539
00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:35,160
conscious of what she's doing.

540
00:35:37,050 --> 00:35:41,340
Maxine Waters job is to harness
votes to manage this. That's her

541
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:46,440
only job. She goes out harness
votes by being Auntie Maxine,

542
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:49,110
right but she's got some real we
talked about is a

543
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:55,650
real subversive stuff she saying
though? Yes, she sees it worse.

544
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,310
I mean, she's a witch. I mean,
like me, and if you want to talk

545
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:02,790
about witchcraft and the term we
use as being controlling, yeah,

546
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,230
she's a mash master witch or,
you know, whatever. You have

547
00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:11,460
their ranking grant the Grand
Poobah? Yeah, yeah, it's no,

548
00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:14,820
it's no wonder why. And the
thing is, and she resonates with

549
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:20,280
women that target voters because
she's done it right. She's ran

550
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,530
the gamut. She has children and
she has a career.

551
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:26,340
Um, but at the same time,

552
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:31,140
they shouldn't like say it's the
shaming is the shaming tactic.

553
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:34,140
And I'm just going to the root
of it by using this movie. You

554
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:37,650
heard her saying, but it's, and
I don't want to dehumanize Mama,

555
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:40,920
Rosie, Mama, Rosie's coming from
the place of if you have

556
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,790
education, then all your choices
are your choices, which I don't

557
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:48,270
disagree with. I don't disagree
with that. That's true.

558
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:52,740
If you have some kind of
education, but it's the formal

559
00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:56,130
education I have the problem
with, yeah. There's so many

560
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:59,730
crafts and skills and talents
that you got harnessed. I mean,

561
00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,410
hell, we're doing it now. I
mean, just look at

562
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,540
the breakdown the phone wall for
a minute. That's what we're

563
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:10,590
doing. And it's, well, like I
said, I wish to say his

564
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:17,130
his hard work wearing the pants.
We as black people are steady

565
00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:20,010
wrestling for the pants. And
we're like, you don't want these

566
00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:20,940
pants Trust me.

567
00:37:23,370 --> 00:37:27,480
In what it does is just makes
these people rely on the system

568
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:30,330
in one way or the other. As you
think about it, if you're a

569
00:37:30,330 --> 00:37:33,420
single mother and you're
working, what are they pushing?

570
00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:36,720
Well, you have this is very pre
pre K. Yeah, this is this is

571
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,940
kind of this is courageous what
you're doing here because I

572
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:39,870
think most

573
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:44,130
men on I'm sorry, that's not
fair to say. I think there's

574
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,720
there's a large segment that are
like, Hey, you know what, once

575
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,030
you tried for a while, once you
try these pants on where you're

576
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:53,850
saying, you know, I just want to
let you know the pants kind of

577
00:37:53,850 --> 00:37:54,900
suck sometimes.

578
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,520
And to be honest with you,
that's what we need this, I

579
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,630
can't say that. I can't, I can
say it from my perspective, that

580
00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:06,240
you don't want to have these
pants. But what I'm trying to

581
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,990
do, and I hope other men will
try to do is this is just my

582
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:14,640
perspective, make it safe. For
women that have went through it

583
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,510
to say that that's not the move,
right? You want to do, right?

584
00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:22,530
And then for women that are you
know, actually being wives and

585
00:38:22,530 --> 00:38:26,610
mothers, and we come off the
bottom, we want to take them

586
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:29,010
with us, right? It's like you're
saying because like we're the

587
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:33,570
bottom bottom. With that thin
layer on top of there. It's just

588
00:38:33,570 --> 00:38:36,750
gonna say black married women
happily married women with

589
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:40,650
children. Like that. That's that
thin layer on top of the bottom

590
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:44,760
called black men. And their
shit. They're shamed the most. I

591
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,460
mean, like, I mean, you see,
look at look at Candace Owens.

592
00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:53,130
Me and caught me and Candace, I
agree with or something I don't

593
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:55,980
agree with or something. I'm
just saying that if she had a

594
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:56,610
different

595
00:38:58,140 --> 00:39:00,810
message, she would be that she
would be the next Oprah.

596
00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:06,270
What message? It's like, No, no,
no, she's dark skinned. She's

597
00:39:06,270 --> 00:39:09,000
attractive. All the key points
that be woke. You know?

598
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,990
What it's like, Oh, you got the
wrong. Wrong Wrong message. Yep,

599
00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:13,260
man.

600
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,490
So we have to shame you and look
at the shaming maybe over there.

601
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,290
I mean, that's why I say shame
is a

602
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:22,560
through line through this whole
episode, because that's the

603
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,180
number one weapon for control.

604
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,420
AKA witchcraft. It is going
early. Oh, wow. It is also the

605
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:35,130
number one recommended
mechanism. Yes, I may read it in

606
00:39:35,130 --> 00:39:37,620
the press all the time
politician said we need to call

607
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:41,550
these people out. They need to
be shamed. This was this and

608
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:45,690
this started with Obama, the
shaming the use of the word of

609
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:49,650
not him necessarily, but during
that time period, shaming,

610
00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:52,560
calling, I think Obama was big
on cut, we're gonna call you

611
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,740
out. Well, the way I look at is
like this. I don't think it

612
00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:59,160
started with Obama. I think
Obama came in at the time of

613
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,970
social media.

614
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,840
So social media is the platform
for shaming.

615
00:40:05,609 --> 00:40:07,079
What we call canceling roasting

616
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,960
with him. And what happened was
the younger crowd that were

617
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:18,210
computer savvy were more liberal
at the time. So they were able

618
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:22,710
to use these means and other
methods to attack and they

619
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:26,730
caught up quickly. And they
perfect they perfected the

620
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:29,100
mechanism. They learned how to
do it. They learned what words

621
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,790
to use, they use how to do it,
and to do it in very short

622
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:35,310
sentences, etc. Right.

623
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:40,980
You choose to sign as a
conservative like I pledge, it

624
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,900
was a pledge or something like
all of them had to sign it.

625
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,900
Right. Like they're not like the
republican pledge or something.

626
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:49,740
Yes, that's what I mean. So
those What I'm saying is, those

627
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:53,460
became a pledge online. It's
like you got to align to this.

628
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:56,460
And I'll say the conservatives
have the better means. I mean,

629
00:40:56,460 --> 00:40:58,380
they're they are mean masters.

630
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,040
I mean, just look at me as being
unbiased. Because it's the the

631
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,950
you have so much hypocrisy. The
magic of a meme is the

632
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:08,850
hypocrisy, right?

633
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:15,720
So um, let's get that I think we
stopped this six. Let's go on to

634
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:16,380
seven.

635
00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:23,490
Call she's gonna pull me through
the you know, when she get her

636
00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:26,010
diploma, she can come back in
teach.

637
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:34,050
Teacher, Mama. For me, you go in
the sun white woman's getting to

638
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:37,920
live with the fan one working
there. So what is the sense in

639
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,090
spending all that time and some
fancy college just to come out

640
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:44,700
and work in the kitchen? ain't
gonna happen to my

641
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:47,970
mama. No.

642
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:51,870
Because she's smart. That's why

643
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,520
she doesn't want all kinds of
awards and scholarships, and

644
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,200
they can't mess with you when
you're smart.

645
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:04,620
The spiritualists told me that a
child was called make me happy

646
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:05,190
one day.

647
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:08,130
Now you can go now you all

648
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:09,990
know your

649
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,420
dad's a mess.

650
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:20,790
can't take that away from you.
Right here. Yeah, it's the same

651
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:22,380
thing. Maxine Waters said, Yeah.

652
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,060
Like I said, this is a running,
which I'm not dumping on

653
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,500
education. That's not what I'm
doing. The problem is, you go

654
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:36,720
off to these universities. And
you trust everything they say,

655
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:40,470
to be true to all they have to
do is poison what they feed you

656
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:45,870
at the universities to keep you
out? No, they don't keep you out

657
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:49,170
of the universities, they. And
really, if you want to think

658
00:42:49,170 --> 00:42:54,360
sinister, you're saying just
from a dark place. If you want

659
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:55,350
to control

660
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,280
pop the people, the population
or you know, Stan society, you

661
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,580
put your smartest and brightest
and give the classes at a very

662
00:43:05,580 --> 00:43:09,540
young age and you steer them
there. And you make sure that

663
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:14,430
those advanced classes have
certain curriculum that are

664
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:19,200
mandated by the endowments given
by the largest philanthropic

665
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:23,790
organizations in the world.
Correct. Because that money is

666
00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:27,390
earmarked. It goes in and says
here you go. As long as it's

667
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:31,740
social justice classes, you can
use it. And we saw that with all

668
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:35,670
these companies coming out black
women 10,010,000,000 5 million,

669
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:39,030
right? Yeah, that's they say you
have to come under our

670
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:43,470
understanding to get this money.
And this is where you get

671
00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:46,680
massage noir from. This is where
you get hopper bizarre, which is

672
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,200
not a blatten publication or
even a black targeted

673
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:52,140
publication. writing about this
stuff.

674
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:59,010
Yeah, right. They don't want
that. They want they want they

675
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:01,740
want what what Harper's Bazaar,
and I have to look into enough

676
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:05,370
to do a quick check. You own to
what Harper's Bazaar wants is

677
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:09,000
they want they obviously want
readers but they want control.

678
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:11,610
Look at you got all the ends of
the spectrum. You got Maxine

679
00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:14,940
Waters on your cover with Megan,
the stallion? I mean, how could

680
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:17,520
you do any better from a
commercial standpoint, which I

681
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,030
think is what they're always
motivated by? I don't think so.

682
00:44:23,010 --> 00:44:26,220
I don't think what I'm saying is
by then, and

683
00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:30,780
I think you brought up something
on raaga show, shameless plug

684
00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:39,600
ESG or ETS issues environmental,
social corporate governance,

685
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,560
right. That's what these
companies are more. And it's not

686
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,710
that what I'm saying
specifically, but their

687
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:50,190
posturing is more important than
profits right now. Now, in fact,

688
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,610
what what i what i said on the
Rogen show is the ESG, which

689
00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:57,720
includes in climate change and
woke thinking, let me just put

690
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,000
it that way, and you can go to
the biggest company

691
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,810
In the world and see their ESG
Raytheon has great examples. Now

692
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,950
it's in the news.

693
00:45:06,629 --> 00:45:10,169
So the executives of the
corporation and shareholders

694
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:14,249
benefit by adhering to these

695
00:45:15,509 --> 00:45:20,189
really non business goals. to a
large degree, we're showing that

696
00:45:20,189 --> 00:45:22,469
they're woke or short showing
that they're climate change.

697
00:45:22,499 --> 00:45:24,869
They're on board with climate
change, regardless of whether

698
00:45:24,869 --> 00:45:27,509
it's true or not. Because that
will have then they're more

699
00:45:27,509 --> 00:45:30,749
investable. When you're more
investable, the stock price goes

700
00:45:30,749 --> 00:45:33,029
up the people who are running
the corporation win.

701
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,110
And that's exactly why they
target black women cuz it's a

702
00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:37,980
double win.

703
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,930
It's so yeah, so it's
financially driven for the for

704
00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:43,740
the East Coast and it's

705
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,900
well funded. Wow. Okay. Let me
be clear. I'm not talking about

706
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,270
short term profits. I mean,
that's what I'm saying. They're

707
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:55,050
not focused on that. They're
focused on being established.

708
00:45:55,140 --> 00:45:58,650
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's
compartmentalised. I'm sorry. I

709
00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:02,220
think I didn't explain that.
Right. The people who were at

710
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:08,010
Harper's Bazaar, which is owned
by Hearst, and hers in Dvorak

711
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:13,500
knows Hearst very well, and it's
it's really about profit. Of

712
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,600
course there's a lot of social
justice stuff in there but

713
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,250
that's one level above the
excitement for an editorial team

714
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:23,910
to get maxine waters and Megan,
the stallion. They are being

715
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:27,630
used as my point. Harper's
Bazaar is not doing anything out

716
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:31,530
of their own accord. Right? We
can agree on that. I mean, I

717
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:34,710
want to make sure that the
people that made the phone call

718
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:38,160
to get Meghan the stallion on
that cover are not working out

719
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,660
of profits. They're working out
of we need to get these her

720
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:47,760
resume built up new york times
as a op ed. Now she has helped

721
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:52,260
us are is because she's going to
be so vague. I mean, and let me

722
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:55,110
just I'll skip back something
real quick with the talk about

723
00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:58,770
education. The reason why they
choose a magnet stallion is

724
00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:03,930
cardi B failed. She went too
far. She screwed it up. Well,

725
00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:07,710
no, cardi B is seen as not my
words Candace Owens worse

726
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:08,760
illiterate. Yeah.

727
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,400
And that was a bad look. So he
like we need somebody that

728
00:47:14,430 --> 00:47:18,540
actually can actually put string
10 words together. Yes. And her

729
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:22,590
moment was with Anthony Fauci.
And that's where she failed.

730
00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:26,220
Well, her mom was was with Joe
Biden and even

731
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:31,110
true truth and that's exactly
what they want out of 24 they'll

732
00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:34,830
be talking to whoever the
Democratic candidate is will be

733
00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:38,520
talking to my boy Yes, I got
you. I got you. We talked about

734
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,290
that. I'm 63 as good as we

735
00:47:41,310 --> 00:47:44,400
were, I'm just saying so that's
the whole point of this is we

736
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,920
have to build it so it's all you
know, mega she's credible

737
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,550
because she was bizarre. She was
on New York time. irregardless,

738
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:55,170
nobody's going to buy that
magazine. Except for maybe Megan

739
00:47:55,170 --> 00:48:00,990
stands. Um, but it's the point
of is validates her the same way

740
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:04,380
a degree validates, you know,
it's the same validation

741
00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:08,220
process, of course, the same
way. Same way a video on YouTube

742
00:48:08,220 --> 00:48:09,960
with Steve Jobs validates me

743
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,640
putting it out there but and
then how Joe Rogan revalidated

744
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,740
me in that that's what we're
trying to get away from.

745
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:28,050
Right We want to say the talent
show validates you I mean, and

746
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:31,740
yours Do you mean you're not
saying Oh, you're just famous

747
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:34,650
for being famous? like Dude, I'm
saving podcast two times. I

748
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:35,760
mean, what did you do this
morning?

749
00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:40,860
thing right or, I mean with
that's what I try to do here

750
00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:44,130
when we bring that's the problem
with this word quick. Beside

751
00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:46,950
that's why value for value is
important. I had to come up with

752
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:50,760
the value to receive the value
back Absolutely. Boost us baby

753
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:53,850
if you're if you're listening in
a podcasting 2.0 app. Go ahead

754
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:58,380
new podcast. apps.com boost us
now. Thank you. So now moving I

755
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:01,560
think we started to seven less
getting a and we weren't. Okay,

756
00:49:01,590 --> 00:49:05,160
let me set this up for one quick
minute. Now okay. Rosie returns

757
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,840
home from talking with her

758
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,970
perfect husband.

759
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:11,700
And

760
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:16,740
mama wrote me Excuse me, my dear
sister. Something we're off with

761
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:21,000
her. So they engage in the
conversation that kind of turned

762
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,040
South really fast. Rosie young
girls a no babies and Nita you

763
00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:29,370
It's a sin for a woman a younger
you to be walking around here

764
00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:32,670
burning. God didn't mean for us
to burn like that, you know?

765
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,000
interpretated that vibe to you
that way, just so he could get

766
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,020
happier than

767
00:49:41,850 --> 00:49:45,600
it was. But nobody else don't
have to tell me that when it

768
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,980
comes to nature. That Bible
belongs on the shelf. Not

769
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:50,610
myself.

770
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:53,700
You know, I know where you got
the ideas from.

771
00:49:58,140 --> 00:49:59,970
If I didn't know leaving you
with that. Oh,

772
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,300
A woman was gonna make this
megaphone you. I'd rather give

773
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:06,420
Jill away and never seen you
again. Yeah, come pretty close

774
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:07,650
to doing as opposed

775
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:14,790
to forget babesia Rosie

776
00:50:17,369 --> 00:50:19,739
onto debt. Let me Forget it.
Mama.

777
00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:24,810
Morning, noon and night. If it
wasn't for your mama leaving

778
00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:26,850
your Daddy, I wouldn't be
fooling with him.

779
00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:31,890
was just the beginning. What
does she say? You're walking on

780
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:35,730
here burning? Is that what she
said? Yeah. Mama Rosie, what?

781
00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:38,430
Mommy my deal with a hot girl.
Oh, okay.

782
00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:41,820
Vernon. Okay, I just had to
figure out the slang Got it?

783
00:50:41,850 --> 00:50:44,520
Yeah, what she's mean is like
you're saying like horny,

784
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:44,970
basically.

785
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:53,190
Um, but this is everybody thinks
morality is linear, right? It

786
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:56,580
was like super moral. And we
just kind of drifted down like

787
00:50:56,610 --> 00:51:01,050
in a linear fashion to depravity
or wherever we're at now. Um,

788
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,100
no, that's not how it works.
Like we had this weird fault and

789
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:09,060
I'm going somewhere so you got
to follow me. Okay, so my dear

790
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:15,450
is Rosie's Mama. And the girls,
the daughters. The one had kids

791
00:51:15,450 --> 00:51:17,850
and the one that likes to dance
grandma.

792
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,260
So she went and left mama Rosie
with her Auntie while she was

793
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:26,100
out being hot.

794
00:51:28,110 --> 00:51:31,500
Now she has to come back and
live with mama Rosie and she got

795
00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:34,290
Aroha live in boyfriend that
pays her rent for her.

796
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:40,770
Now you see now she's like well,
I got needs he was saying at the

797
00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:45,660
same time mama Rosie looking at
like her mama like you left me

798
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:48,390
and you don't only have nowhere
to live

799
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,940
and you still worried about a
man?

800
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,050
Do you see these dynamics
playing out and the thing is if

801
00:51:55,050 --> 00:51:59,460
you do the age right. My idea
would be a flapper

802
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:06,150
fly for me. A flapper clapper.
clapper is basically what like a

803
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:10,320
hot girl is back in the 1920s
he's like wearing this 100 year

804
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:10,980
fold.

805
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:12,960
Ha

806
00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:16,980
Yeah, well, yeah, that's it.
That's an interesting way of the

807
00:52:16,980 --> 00:52:17,880
fold. Yeah.

808
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:21,390
So the 1920s the roaring 20s.

809
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:27,210
The Wild 20s that's where we're
at right now. flappers were a

810
00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:30,150
generation of young Western
women in the 1920s, who wore

811
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:33,720
shirt skirts. Knee height was
considered short mob their hair

812
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:37,620
listened to jazz which was you
know, which was the Megane which

813
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:41,670
was the cardi B of the time, or
perceived as such, and flaunted

814
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:44,700
their disdain for what was then
of course drugs. It was then

815
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,430
considered acceptable behavior.
flappers were seen as brash for

816
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:50,280
wearing excessive makeup
drinking alcohol. Okay, I got I

817
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,510
got I got you covered.

818
00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:58,170
The quintessential symbol of the
1920s. You can recognize them

819
00:52:58,170 --> 00:53:01,140
immediately by their fashion,
their dancing and their sex

820
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:05,340
appeal. But Who were they? How
did they become flappers? Let's

821
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:05,940
find out.

822
00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:14,640
The origins of the word flapper
are a little bit foggy and since

823
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,300
it originated in slang, but some
sources say that flapper was

824
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,240
once used to refer to young
prostitutes in England and

825
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,180
developed into a word referring
to excitable teenage girls.

826
00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:28,320
The rise of the American flapper
had its beginnings in the social

827
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,740
climate at the end of World War
One. It had been a brutal,

828
00:53:31,770 --> 00:53:34,500
bloody war that had killed
millions of people often

829
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:38,520
pointlessly Following the war, a
massive Spanish flu pandemic

830
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
swept the world was the
deadliest in human history while

831
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,480
killing millions of others. Many
began to realize that their life

832
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,330
could be much shorter than they
realized. They could die for

833
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:52,140
reasons completely beyond their
control. Young people especially

834
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:55,230
took this to heart. Those who
are in the prime of their life

835
00:53:55,290 --> 00:53:58,140
opted for fun and pleasure
instead of wallowing in the woes

836
00:53:58,140 --> 00:54:03,240
of their situation. Wow,
important clip, very important

837
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:09,150
clip for in any context of this
period. This is I see this

838
00:54:09,150 --> 00:54:13,770
happening. This is only fans
This is everything the pandemic

839
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:18,330
bowl my good, right, exactly,
exactly. And we've and we just

840
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:22,740
ended the war. 20 Years War
ended a war and we've gone

841
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:26,160
through a pandemic, and I'm
everybody not great. Let

842
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,730
everybody know now we're going
to experience experience a

843
00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:30,930
sexual tsunami.

844
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:37,050
The I believe you I was drawn
now oh is drive drunk. And

845
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:40,800
everybody's gonna walk up to see
when water go. As soon as they

846
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,090
say it's open back up. 100%
you're about to see something

847
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:47,850
that you net. Well, we've seen
it before. And this is why we do

848
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:50,370
this show because you had to
look backwards to see for it.

849
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,930
Holy crap, this good Mo. I love
this. And this is why my dear,

850
00:54:58,050 --> 00:54:59,970
you're saying she left her
child.

851
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,480
He lines up with flapper age.
And

852
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:08,640
this is the attitude that had.
And to give you an idea of a

853
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,210
black flapper, think should
Avery from the color purple.

854
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:14,700
That's just to give you an idea
and we're going to go deeper and

855
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:18,480
explore deeper into f shirt
every but let's continue on with

856
00:55:18,510 --> 00:55:22,440
a flapper to women were finally
able to vote in the 1920

857
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,350
presidential election, allowing
them to have more influence in

858
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:28,950
shaping their society. Women
were also better able to get

859
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:31,920
jobs by the 1920s. And they
could often earn enough money to

860
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,470
be self sufficient and spend
their money however they want to

861
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:34,770
do.

862
00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:39,570
A little bit earlier that same
year, the 18th amendment had

863
00:55:39,570 --> 00:55:42,510
also passed which prohibited the
production, sale and

864
00:55:42,510 --> 00:55:45,960
transportation of alcohol. The
prohibition movement had been

865
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,150
championed in large part by
progressives as well as

866
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:51,180
religious leaders who believe
that alcohol was a poison and

867
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:51,750
society

868
00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:55,560
flappers to to drinking alcohol
partly because it was illegal

869
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,160
and therefore exciting, and it
also contributed to their devil

870
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,000
may care attitude.

871
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:04,350
Women's increasing freedom and
the youth who are looking to get

872
00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:07,140
the best out of life began to
lead to the creation of the

873
00:56:07,140 --> 00:56:11,040
flapper. flappers were a direct
challenge to the conservatism of

874
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,030
the Victorian and Edwardian era
of so many young women no longer

875
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:17,610
wanted to be confined to a tight
fitting corset will be

876
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,000
restricted only to formal
ballroom dancing. They wanted to

877
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,460
express their newfound desire
for pleasure and all of its

878
00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:24,000
forms.

879
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,260
The development of flappers was
also helped along with the

880
00:56:28,260 --> 00:56:32,610
growing movie culture of the
late 1910s and early 1920s. The

881
00:56:32,610 --> 00:56:35,460
glamour of Hollywood with all
this hedonistic glory, it was a

882
00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:39,030
constant beacon for young
people, actresses wear makeup,

883
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,130
or something which had
previously been associated with

884
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:44,430
prostitutes. But now it was a
symbol of glamour and the

885
00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:45,750
freedom to look as one one.

886
00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:52,050
Let me give you the analogy. I
love this. tripping me up the

887
00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:55,590
analogy, the only thing that's
changed so we had the war World

888
00:56:55,590 --> 00:56:58,170
War One, right, we had
Afghanistan, you could name five

889
00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:58,800
other wars.

890
00:57:00,090 --> 00:57:03,270
We had, we had the pandemic,
which the same as the flu

891
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:08,640
pandemic. Except it's not
Hollywood is Tick tock, and it's

892
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,200
Instagram, social media. We
haven't had social media for

893
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,600
even 20 years yet, right? We're
still I mean, what 2007 maybe

894
00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:25,320
Twitter and Facebook both came
on the scene and YouTube in the

895
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,760
2006 to 2008 timeframe. You
cannot count social media pre

896
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,230
smartphone. There was a lot of
people wasn't really into it.

897
00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:38,070
But I'm saying like the maybe
the smartphone might be the new

898
00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:41,610
technology for the iPhone. The
iPhone came out. And yes, I

899
00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:45,930
think the iPhone came out in
2007. Yes, that's that's why I'm

900
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:48,990
going off of because that would
that's the portal. Yeah, I mean,

901
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:53,280
there's social media and message
board has always existed. But we

902
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,120
can pipe right into your like
television with those 1950s June

903
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:02,130
2020s with movies and June
28 2007. So right, right around

904
00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:05,670
this time, too. Yeah, so we're
16 years in

905
00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:12,300
now. 15 years. 614 years. Excuse
me. Oh, so yeah.

906
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:14,910
We're,

907
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:20,130
I think we're heading for
another 20 I mean, these 20 but

908
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:23,070
you see it lining up and the
thing with makeup, it's about

909
00:58:23,070 --> 00:58:25,980
who you want to be. And I know
people like where are you going

910
00:58:25,980 --> 00:58:29,310
with this but we have to go look
back and I don't care where

911
00:58:29,310 --> 00:58:32,550
you're going. I'm just holding
on for dear life. We have to go

912
00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:36,360
back and look at mama Rosie's
and my dears relationship.

913
00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:40,410
She didn't do what she needed to
do in life and now she's a

914
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:44,850
burden quote unquote burden on
her daughter. I mean, we have

915
00:58:44,850 --> 00:58:48,030
these what's going to be a lot
of combined living within family

916
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:52,260
structure being disrupted away
it is we live in and I want this

917
00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:56,670
raw say this. This is the
biggest fantasy that we have. We

918
00:58:56,670 --> 00:59:00,000
live in a to paycheck society.

919
00:59:01,650 --> 00:59:05,850
Get that through your head,
whether it's a roommate, whether

920
00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:10,950
it's whoever is a mother and
daughter living together, it

921
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:13,410
doesn't matter. There's
practically no way you can

922
00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:18,180
afford anything without a two
paycheck. Master trick because

923
00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:21,810
this independence they sell you
is you're gonna have to live

924
00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:22,620
with somebody.

925
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:28,710
Right? Very few people make
enough money. And what I mean by

926
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:33,630
few is percentage wise, that can
pay everything they want to pay

927
00:59:33,630 --> 00:59:35,220
and live the life of

928
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:39,060
conspicuous consumption anyone
participating.

929
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:41,040
True.

930
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:44,910
So I mean, I just wanted me I
just want to lay that out there

931
00:59:44,910 --> 00:59:49,140
and one more fun fact isn't
amazing how the course set was a

932
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,530
Asana restriction. And now it's
like the the one symbolism like

933
00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:58,620
have sex work. Yeah, you want
Yeah, well, you want to have

934
00:59:58,620 --> 01:00:00,000
that really tight corset for

935
01:00:00,630 --> 01:00:03,600
For the curves, but these women
flapper we're trying to shed

936
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,960
that. That is interesting.
That's crazy, right? I just

937
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,060
thought I mean, it said the fun
fact I thought that kind of

938
01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:10,290
interesting. Oh,

939
01:00:11,610 --> 01:00:14,730
let's move on to number 11 was
still a prototype for the

940
01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:17,580
flapper that was to appear in
the following years. Thomas's

941
01:00:17,580 --> 01:00:20,760
character shows all the basic
characteristics, longing for

942
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,430
pleasure and fun, and
drastically changing her fashion

943
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:26,340
and appearance. She even tried
smoking a cigarette for the

944
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:29,430
first time, something that was
also related to flappers because

945
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:32,610
it was a symbol of freedom.
Music was also important in the

946
01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:34,920
development of the
collaborating, jazz music had

947
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,860
emerged largely in black
communities, particularly in New

948
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:41,340
Orleans, and the previous
decades. After the first jazz

949
01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:43,950
records were recorded by the
original Dixieland jazz band in

950
01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:48,240
1917. The trend caught fire
across the country or an earlier

951
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,940
prototype of the flapper
attitude can be seen in singers

952
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:54,060
such as Marian Harris, who
transitioned into an early jazz

953
01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:58,410
vocalist beginning around 1917.
Her showy jazz tunes filled with

954
01:00:58,410 --> 01:01:01,620
personality or channel that
helped to further bring jazz to

955
01:01:01,620 --> 01:01:02,400
white communities.

956
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:07,500
Jazz became a staple for
flappers because it was fast,

957
01:01:07,530 --> 01:01:11,070
fun and great for dancing. It
was also stormed by the older

958
01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:14,280
generation for being too risky
and too closely associated with

959
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,450
black communities. Jazz was not
just music, but also a social

960
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:22,320
force. The ideal setting for a
flapper would be dancing to fast

961
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,260
jazz music while wearing a short
dress and drinking illegal

962
01:01:25,260 --> 01:01:28,980
alcohol and smoking cigarettes.
This was the epitome of

963
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:30,060
rebellion at that time.

964
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,140
Using rebel rebellion have been
a common theme seen in every

965
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:37,110
generation since the 1920s. Just
in different forms.

966
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,260
Enter the torque

967
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,290
and trap and trap yes and tick
tock tick tock dances the work

968
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:47,910
done to what trap Yep.

969
01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:53,640
It's the sign in as he said it's
a channel jazz was a channel

970
01:01:53,970 --> 01:01:55,200
into white communities

971
01:01:57,450 --> 01:02:00,870
while making this even more
valuable, because she makes the

972
01:02:00,870 --> 01:02:05,580
music that the tick tock is made
to comment they have a really

973
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:08,880
sophisticated the whole process
have it took them 100 years, but

974
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,840
they really got it down now.
They have it well. And the thing

975
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,680
was, this is the first time ever
that marketing to youth

976
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,280
rebellion was unpopular, but
it's been used ever since

977
01:02:20,490 --> 01:02:26,280
1920s 1950s 1967. You know, at
every is all about the youth

978
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,100
everything is targeted towards
the youth rebellion

979
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,280
which is not a controlled
opposition.

980
01:02:34,890 --> 01:02:41,910
Yes, and that's I would say that
probably really started with in

981
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:42,690
this era

982
01:02:44,070 --> 01:02:49,200
with MTV bt I think that's the
only one Oh, wait. Rap to hip

983
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,270
hop rap. Yeah, well rap. Yes,
exactly.

984
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:55,770
Was the shift because mean
before I mean, most time we look

985
01:02:55,770 --> 01:02:59,790
at older artists, they were
adults even in like Aretha

986
01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:03,360
Franklin and, you know, people
that may were adults in their,

987
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,750
you know, in their prime route
was the first time where you

988
01:03:06,750 --> 01:03:10,440
actually targeted young children
to

989
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,440
be the you know, the leaders of
the music, and you could even

990
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:21,060
excuse me and take it back a
little further. You one could

991
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:24,240
argue Michael Jackson started
with the crotch grabbing,

992
01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:30,030
emulated by Madonna and I'm bad
yeah I'm good Yeah. And it kind

993
01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:31,830
of went from there you know

994
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:38,130
so although arguably Elvis Elvis
the pelvis Presley was also

995
01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:40,530
using versions of that with
black

996
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,660
it goes back from 1920s that was
the beginning every now I'm just

997
01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:48,300
going back in my head I'm
thinking about okay that was

998
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:50,130
that that was that there was
that and here we are yeah

999
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,120
fantastic.

1000
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:56,460
Wish they always do that you
know they always emulate what's

1001
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:58,140
what's happened on in black
culture.

1002
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,270
And I got a reason for at least
understanding why they think

1003
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:09,000
that is but the ghosts who I
flapper and well we might

1004
01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:11,970
understand why I don't know if
you remember her name was sugar

1005
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Avery in the movie Color Purple.
Okay, here this is very, very

1006
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,350
important

1007
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,250
that I come clean on this. I
don't think we've discussed it.

1008
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,610
I have not read the book. I have
not seen the movie it. It all

1009
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:26,460
came out at a time when I was
doing other things wasn't paying

1010
01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:29,970
attention. I have never gotten
around to it. So I don't even

1011
01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:33,000
know the plotline. Yeah, well
great. I'll give it to you in

1012
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,370
like one minute. So basically
you have Sealy which is sold off

1013
01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:43,080
to Mr. And it like an arranged
marriage. Mister basically use

1014
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:48,480
her for this. This is how they
portray it. Use her for domestic

1015
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,100
labor and to

1016
01:04:51,330 --> 01:04:52,590
for his sexual needs.

1017
01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:57,930
But he's always loved a woman
named Avery who was a flapper

1018
01:04:57,930 --> 01:04:58,980
ideal flapper.

1019
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,990
Sung and juke joints and patch
children similar and didn't take

1020
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:07,920
care of them similar to my dear
so she was a woman of the

1021
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,460
streets

1022
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,769
episode they end up moving in he
moves should Abraham in the

1023
01:05:13,769 --> 01:05:17,309
house with him and steely and
then they form a bond would they

1024
01:05:17,309 --> 01:05:21,659
be fit first but then they form
of bond I guess Mr. So it's a

1025
01:05:21,659 --> 01:05:23,639
symbolic of what this whole
episode is

1026
01:05:25,860 --> 01:05:29,040
this is where he mister wishes
he

1027
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:32,310
I don't want to really get into
that but he's like the

1028
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,810
prototypical bad guy and Tyler
Perry movies now by this really

1029
01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:41,190
bad black man wishes really is
funny His name is Mr. One short

1030
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:45,870
letter different from Master but
don't let that be lost.

1031
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,770
So you have color purple should
everyone

1032
01:05:55,230 --> 01:05:59,070
goddamnit Listen man what you
crazy

1033
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:07,380
week little boy cave they know
you know me. I need

1034
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:09,660
you here.

1035
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,920
Now no goddamn sinkin path

1036
01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:30,960
get that thing make me something
to eat.

1037
01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:33,390
I'm making myself.

1038
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,180
So this is her he brought her
into the house with him and

1039
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,910
I use the word wife but Sealy
the woman that he was like

1040
01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:48,600
basically using a mother whose
children and even then the

1041
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,840
flapper was like custom both of
them out. So the reason why I

1042
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,070
brought this up is

1043
01:06:55,050 --> 01:06:59,850
these women that control can
show their sex appeal and you're

1044
01:06:59,850 --> 01:07:03,690
saying controller man through
their no sexual abilities.

1045
01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:09,030
They live in a different world
attractive women live in a

1046
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:13,020
different world, you know,
saying I mean that. This is why

1047
01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:15,300
I say this be politically
correct.

1048
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:20,820
You'll see two women talking and
want to be extremely more

1049
01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:23,460
attractive than the other. But
then the other one won't be

1050
01:07:23,490 --> 01:07:26,100
honest, the pretty well won't be
honest with the average looking.

1051
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,520
Because I know you know, you
know you're keen to hear your

1052
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,520
nine to know You go girl. You
probably

1053
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:39,870
slay queen. Yes. Right? Yeah. So
what I'm saying is this goes

1054
01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:43,650
back and I know people might be
get frustrated with me. But it's

1055
01:07:43,830 --> 01:07:48,480
this mentality of the media, my
enemy here is I can't be honest

1056
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,450
with you. My number one target
is Mickey Mouse. Right? He got

1057
01:07:51,450 --> 01:07:51,840
to go.

1058
01:07:53,130 --> 01:07:55,770
Mickey Mouse got to go. I mean,
cuz he's pumping out a lot of

1059
01:07:55,770 --> 01:08:02,010
negative negative energy. Um,
and the expectation women think

1060
01:08:02,010 --> 01:08:02,760
they should have.

1061
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,500
Well, maybe I'm making Mickey
Mouse owns your ESPN. So you

1062
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:11,130
know, you got a long way to go
before the mouse is gone. Right.

1063
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:14,760
And this works that we all have
to do all have to stand up to

1064
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,450
the mouse when the mouse is
running stuff right now. I'm

1065
01:08:19,050 --> 01:08:20,070
gonna write that down.

1066
01:08:21,810 --> 01:08:25,020
Now we have to simplify it
right? We have to win in these

1067
01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:29,100
meme wars. And they say Disney
and ABC and ABC. No Mickey

1068
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:30,960
Mouse, Mickey Mouse got to go.

1069
01:08:32,460 --> 01:08:33,090
But

1070
01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:37,530
not to get too far off track.
What I'm just saying is

1071
01:08:39,900 --> 01:08:43,020
when you're pretty, that's a
privilege, I'm just gonna say.

1072
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:48,330
And it being a privilege, no
different than white privilege

1073
01:08:48,330 --> 01:08:52,350
or genetic privilege or these
other things, but not to

1074
01:08:52,350 --> 01:08:56,460
acknowledge it that it benefits
you certain, you know, luxuries

1075
01:08:56,460 --> 01:08:58,590
in life is dishonest.

1076
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,540
That's why I play that clip.
Sure. So, but I'm also pointing

1077
01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:05,820
a pit laying out a picture of
what their flappers look like

1078
01:09:05,820 --> 01:09:08,310
because when we look forward,
this is what we're going to see

1079
01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:12,480
the downfall of being a flapper.
So now we have Sean Avery. She's

1080
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,470
taking a bath now I see Lee's
pouring her bath and taking care

1081
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:19,980
of her. Now let me make clear
the woman of the house is taking

1082
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:23,040
care of the other woman in her
house. And they're both getting

1083
01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:26,040
crapped out to him. Yeah, this
doesn't seem like a healthy

1084
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,630
situation. It does not

1085
01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:32,250
get her seen a naked woman. Have

1086
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,160
you got any children?

1087
01:09:37,770 --> 01:09:39,240
Yes, ma'am me. I ain't bad

1088
01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:48,180
for you

1089
01:10:05,339 --> 01:10:10,199
You I wear my own goddamn
business I feel just fine Just

1090
01:10:11,490 --> 01:10:13,860
give me some bubbling oil and
put it in this jug

1091
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:26,970
was my mom

1092
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:30,480
never know the child to come out
right?

1093
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,910
So they just go to show you even
more that the privilege and I

1094
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:50,790
know people like where are you
going to smile but the color

1095
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:56,820
purple itself is one of the
major means and black society.

1096
01:10:57,420 --> 01:11:00,150
They shape the law. I mean
because we're talking about the

1097
01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:03,750
technology thing all this
relates, so just just hang on

1098
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:04,260
for a second.

1099
01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:12,000
The the technology of the 80s
was the VCR. Yes, sir. You were

1100
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,900
able to bring every movie into
your house.

1101
01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:20,430
And people will sit down and
watch this movie three, four

1102
01:11:20,430 --> 01:11:21,270
times a day.

1103
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:27,390
Wow. or once a weekend or we
played on every weekend on bt it

1104
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:29,700
was a it was constantly being
pumped and pumped and pumped.

1105
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,330
Because you don't have any
television I mean, okay, but you

1106
01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:36,510
know, you have to watch movement
and VHS was a big thing. And

1107
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:40,620
this came at the right time with
VHS. So they were married to get

1108
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:44,760
together perfectly. And and back
then that was a lot of means

1109
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,030
that this to this day or this
band Boogey Man black man of

1110
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:51,450
this sisterhood between the
beautiful woman is down on her

1111
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:56,130
luck and resourceful, but less
attractive woman and like we can

1112
01:11:56,130 --> 01:11:57,630
come together and defeat him.

1113
01:11:59,490 --> 01:12:01,650
Oh, that's an important one.

1114
01:12:02,670 --> 01:12:04,590
Yeah, that's an important we
going back to

1115
01:12:07,050 --> 01:12:10,590
Wow, very cool. Right now we're
coming back to the mommy wars

1116
01:12:10,590 --> 01:12:14,490
and making the stallion and
Maxine Waters coming together.

1117
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,670
This is this. This is just
another iteration of that

1118
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:18,930
symbolism

1119
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:22,800
that we can't be divided. We
can't have mobs against working

1120
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,250
women. So we got to be combined.
So we can Oh yeah, it's been

1121
01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:29,250
going on for a long time this.
Yes.

1122
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,320
This has and the reason why I
brought up it being a meme is

1123
01:12:34,590 --> 01:12:39,570
that in the flapper clips came
out the cigarettes, right? So

1124
01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:41,760
we've heard we've talked about
this before the torches of

1125
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,250
freedom, but I want to go a
little bit more in depth with

1126
01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:49,860
it. And I have a clip from the
man himself. Edward Bernays all

1127
01:12:49,860 --> 01:12:53,940
and he says cigarettes to women
are torches of freedom one wild

1128
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:57,930
disapproving of women who smoked
men began to take up smoking and

1129
01:12:57,930 --> 01:13:00,390
increasing numbers, partly
because of flood of

1130
01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:03,480
advertisements in what was
America's newest mass medium

1131
01:13:03,570 --> 01:13:08,670
national magazines made smoking
attractive. These ads evoke the

1132
01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:12,360
symbolic values many men already
associated with cigarettes,

1133
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:17,370
sexual appeal, sophistication,
pleasure, but they failed to

1134
01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:20,670
persuade women to risk the
disapproval of their menfolk by

1135
01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:24,870
taking up cigarettes. Even
George Washington Hill, the

1136
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:28,710
advertising genius who made
lucky strikes, America's best

1137
01:13:28,710 --> 01:13:31,920
selling cigarettes, couldn't
figure out how to break through

1138
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,000
the social barriers that kept
women from smoking. So he turned

1139
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:41,070
to a public relations genius
Edward Bernays, he said, we have

1140
01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:48,180
a problem. We're losing half the
market in America, because there

1141
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:55,230
is a taboo against women, women
smoking, particularly smoking in

1142
01:13:55,230 --> 01:13:56,070
the streets.

1143
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,640
He said I want your help on
that.

1144
01:14:01,140 --> 01:14:08,070
So I said before I can offer you
a suggestion or recommendation.

1145
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:14,550
I would like your authority to
visit Dr. aa Brill, who is the

1146
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:20,520
leading psycho analyst of his
time. So I went to the doctor.

1147
01:14:21,090 --> 01:14:24,480
And I said, Can you tell me

1148
01:14:25,860 --> 01:14:29,280
what cigarettes mean to women?

1149
01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:34,950
Love the Bernays story in which
you just mentioned that he his

1150
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:38,940
uncle was Sigmund Freud. So it
ran in the family knowing this

1151
01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:43,860
the psycho semantics of it. He
went and talked to Dr. A Brill

1152
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,600
leading psycho analysts. So this
is how I

1153
01:14:49,740 --> 01:14:52,320
bring up bring forward to the
future. I mean to the President.

1154
01:14:53,550 --> 01:14:56,070
These people do these studies.
How do we reach this

1155
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:58,410
demographic? How do we reach
these women? How do we play on

1156
01:14:58,410 --> 01:14:59,970
their insecurities, you know
when

1157
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,630
mean I'm gonna say this which is
I can speak this from the Masada

1158
01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:07,500
products are sold to men
different than women.

1159
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,900
And I find it disgusting the way
they sell products to women,

1160
01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:15,870
right? I mean they would never
approach a man the same way they

1161
01:15:15,870 --> 01:15:19,020
would women when they're trying
to sell a product. They usually

1162
01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:21,720
say man, you're great. Now you
want to be better

1163
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:27,630
get this drink this beer drive
this car right? Women are you

1164
01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:32,250
ugly? Are you fat? Look at your
flat hair. Look at your no hair.

1165
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:36,390
Don't you hate your hair color?
I don't hate the way you look by

1166
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:37,140
this makeup

1167
01:15:38,670 --> 01:15:41,640
all the makeup may just combat
by this cream.

1168
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:48,570
That cream just came out by this
or this and what happened? And

1169
01:15:48,570 --> 01:15:53,190
you think it might be crazy. But
look, get the level of expertise

1170
01:15:53,190 --> 01:15:58,410
they used to sell you death aka
a cigarette. Well, what's what's

1171
01:15:58,410 --> 01:16:02,820
interesting about now versus
then where they went to a Brill

1172
01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:05,310
and said, Now I and I'm just
probably in your next clip, so I

1173
01:16:05,310 --> 01:16:08,190
won't spoil it. And he said,
Okay, this is how you make it

1174
01:16:08,190 --> 01:16:12,570
work. This is why it'll work
today, that is tested on every

1175
01:16:12,570 --> 01:16:18,090
individual, maybe 25, maybe 100
times a day with algorithmic

1176
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:20,070
programming. Did you did

1177
01:16:21,090 --> 01:16:24,000
okay, did the person respond to
this? They scroll past it. Did

1178
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,900
they tap into the going deeper?
Okay, that works. Go back add

1179
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:30,120
some more of that. I mean,
that's completely how the

1180
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,980
algorithms work. So they can
continuously target you as an

1181
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:35,790
individual.

1182
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,440
Yes.

1183
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,250
They have everybody has their
own little individual doctor a

1184
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:44,910
bro basically, is how do we say
when we say how do we how do we

1185
01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:48,120
sell this to this person or they
or anything in general? Sure.

1186
01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:53,220
Alright, so let's discuss this
more on the backside of 15. So I

1187
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:58,230
went to Dr. Burrell and I said,
Can you tell me

1188
01:16:59,610 --> 01:17:03,030
what cigarettes mean to women?

1189
01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:12,750
And as quick is that he said
cigarettes to women are torches

1190
01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:13,860
of freedom

1191
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:24,900
that they use, to dramatize to
their objection to the taboo

1192
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:28,020
against smoking by men.

1193
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,120
And then he added as an
afterthought,

1194
01:17:34,170 --> 01:17:38,880
and they titillate the erogenous
zones of the lips.

1195
01:17:40,140 --> 01:17:46,020
So I left and wondered what to
do with that information. And I

1196
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:52,650
decided we would get debutantes
to light torches of freedom in

1197
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:59,910
the Easter Parade, to protest
man's inhumanity to women, by

1198
01:17:59,910 --> 01:18:01,740
the taboo against smoking.

1199
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:10,410
within six weeks, smoking became
an accepted pattern for women

1200
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,180
throughout the United States.

1201
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:17,190
Six weeks I love that and I
believe that this thinking that

1202
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:21,420
and I was in advertising, public
relations, more all of this

1203
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:27,900
that really started the mindset
of how we control people. I

1204
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:30,690
mean, I've met so many
psychologists and psychiatrists

1205
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,400
in the advertising world, you
will be blown away and what is

1206
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,430
control rather than a wish
witchcraft.

1207
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:43,740
And I know people will say Oh,
he loaded the witchcraft. Okay.

1208
01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:50,820
Call me crazy, but they use the
Easter Day Parade. Bar ish dar

1209
01:18:50,970 --> 01:18:56,220
Tara Day Parade. There it is.
women talk to torches of

1210
01:18:56,220 --> 01:19:01,530
freedom, which the Statue of
Liberty represents. Libertas,

1211
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,240
aka Ishtar.

1212
01:19:04,710 --> 01:19:07,740
Now for those other gods Yeah,
explain Ishtar for those who

1213
01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:11,520
would know that is Easter that's
the mother goddess that's the

1214
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,940
goddess of fertility. Who you
can we really celebrate on

1215
01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:15,690
Easter

1216
01:19:16,890 --> 01:19:20,490
that's where the eggs and monies
come from. See that's why I said

1217
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,710
this stuff goes right past our
conscious right through our

1218
01:19:22,710 --> 01:19:26,580
subconscious and six weeks
later, smoking the phenomenon.

1219
01:19:26,730 --> 01:19:29,370
Isn't that crazy? You think
there's not any esoteric

1220
01:19:31,530 --> 01:19:34,470
playing in there Come on. I will
certainly I think it was

1221
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:36,510
certainly seen as

1222
01:19:38,340 --> 01:19:42,780
as as a incredible it probably
is a demand that's witchcraft.

1223
01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:45,750
Let's use it again. I think
everyone's like, okay, whatever

1224
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:50,490
that is it's working with this
not get all the spooky with the

1225
01:19:50,490 --> 01:19:52,800
it's just control. Yeah, okay.

1226
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:57,300
coven of witches got together.
So how can we sell women this

1227
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:59,970
deadly product they sent home
let's conjure up something.

1228
01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:03,810
Let's call on torture to
freedom. Cool. Okay.

1229
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,760
All right. And that's just how
it happens. And then it becomes

1230
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:14,220
a meme. And then now you're 66
What was it? 1990s 67 years

1231
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:17,850
later you have women dying of
lung cancer. And then the spell.

1232
01:20:18,060 --> 01:20:21,810
The spell would be the actual
marketing words that were used

1233
01:20:23,010 --> 01:20:26,880
for the freedom. That's why I
caught on right. So he gave me

1234
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,950
the idea and then ever Bernays

1235
01:20:30,060 --> 01:20:33,330
manifest the idea. Because I
okay towards the freedom what I

1236
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:36,690
do with that he put the imagery
to it. He was the direct

1237
01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:39,150
messaging, because they did
basically

1238
01:20:42,540 --> 01:20:47,100
Bernays called friends at Vogue
magazine to get a list of the

1239
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:48,030
debutantes.

1240
01:20:49,050 --> 01:20:53,010
And then he had his secretary,
Bertha hunt, sign and send a

1241
01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:56,160
personalized telegram to each
one. So there was a woman

1242
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:58,680
which was by itself.

1243
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,510
very novel at the time, and
here's Yeah, here's the here's

1244
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:06,630
the message in the interest of
equality of the sexes and to

1245
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:10,830
fight another sex taboo. I and
other young women will light

1246
01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:13,920
another torch of freedom by
smoking cigarettes while

1247
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:18,300
strolling on Fifth Avenue Easter
Sunday. Oh, yeah, shoulders.

1248
01:21:19,380 --> 01:21:22,530
strolling Yep, stroll to the
pole. We are doing this to

1249
01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:26,790
combat the silly prejudice that
the cigarette is suitable for

1250
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:29,850
the home the restaurant, the
taxicab, the theater lobby, but

1251
01:21:29,850 --> 01:21:33,690
never No, never for the
sidewalk. Women smokers and

1252
01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:38,610
their escorts will stroll from
48 Street to 54th Street on

1253
01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:42,660
Fifth Avenue between 1130 and
one o'clock. And of course, it

1254
01:21:42,660 --> 01:21:44,670
made front page news and

1255
01:21:46,410 --> 01:21:50,040
in the media did their job and
was off to the races and NASCAR

1256
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,560
and the cigarette advertising
sword.

1257
01:21:53,670 --> 01:21:56,430
And the whole time, man, we're
probably saying I'm just

1258
01:21:56,430 --> 01:21:58,980
speculating here. That's a
disgusting habit. And if I

1259
01:21:58,980 --> 01:22:03,180
could, I would kick it myself.
So I want you to promise I know

1260
01:22:03,180 --> 01:22:05,490
what we want. We want lung
cancer to

1261
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:09,300
know like, No, you don't want
those pants. Ladies, I'm telling

1262
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:12,660
you. My mom smoked when she was
pregnant with me.

1263
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:14,250
My

1264
01:22:15,330 --> 01:22:19,260
most of the women in my family
smoked, and they all hated it. I

1265
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,770
mean, it was it wasn't like,
enjoy. No, no, it was always I'm

1266
01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:25,050
gonna have to have to kick this
habit. I gotta stop this

1267
01:22:25,050 --> 01:22:29,010
ranking, right. So the reason
why I'm talking about the the

1268
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:33,450
sources of freedom is in the
means. Now we got to go back to

1269
01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:37,530
the color purple. And we have to
actually listen in to commerce,

1270
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:42,270
our interview with Margaret
Avery, she's the one to actually

1271
01:22:42,270 --> 01:22:47,040
play the is the one that
actually played. She Avery she's

1272
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,460
being interviewed by Margaret
Avery, sorry about that. And

1273
01:22:50,460 --> 01:22:52,080
this is a very obscure

1274
01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:58,080
interview I found, but I want
you to listen to how big

1275
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,530
important Color Purple was at
that time and the messages that

1276
01:23:01,530 --> 01:23:04,380
it pushed, we must do
entertainment with

1277
01:23:04,380 --> 01:23:10,170
responsibility, what people are
willing to read comfortably in

1278
01:23:10,170 --> 01:23:14,130
their own private space. And
what they can see on the screen

1279
01:23:14,130 --> 01:23:19,440
comfortably are two different
things. And myself as a mother

1280
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,580
of an 11 year old,

1281
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,280
I was just relieved when I found
out that certain things would

1282
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:27,690
not be filmed.

1283
01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:34,920
I wouldn't have as a person been
comfortable. I don't think that

1284
01:23:35,310 --> 01:23:42,090
the it was necessary to explore
everything explicitly. That was

1285
01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:45,900
in the book. People got the
message. And I think it was done

1286
01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:49,530
with taste and I'm real proud.
And over

1287
01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:55,470
and over all, Margaret, what
would you like to say to black

1288
01:23:55,470 --> 01:24:00,030
people? Because still some black
people are saying that, you

1289
01:24:00,030 --> 01:24:04,410
know, the film demeans blacks.
So what what would you like them

1290
01:24:04,410 --> 01:24:06,360
to understand? I'll show you

1291
01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:12,900
before you answer that,

1292
01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:14,730
no,

1293
01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:19,530
all seriousness, but I would it
was one cover. Before we get

1294
01:24:19,530 --> 01:24:21,600
back to the phone, I gotta get
the ISO cuz

1295
01:24:22,770 --> 01:24:24,690
I meant to get that I knew it
was something I was missing from

1296
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:28,860
the show. But, um, let's just
talk about reading, for

1297
01:24:28,860 --> 01:24:32,430
instance. And this is why it's
also important about the lady

1298
01:24:32,430 --> 01:24:36,150
that wrote this article, she's
an author. So reading is a very

1299
01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:40,920
intimate channel that you
currently read and you create

1300
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,210
the world in your mind, right?
This is a very good way to

1301
01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:50,040
target black women of the two
sexes and on the black side, or

1302
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,580
the so called black side. The
women, the women forum

1303
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:58,470
are the readers, you know, to
sit out read for leisure. Sure.

1304
01:24:59,160 --> 01:24:59,970
So a lot of

1305
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,540
These messages was pumped
through books, the color purple

1306
01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:06,660
being one of them. And a lot of
these ideas

1307
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:11,070
it was massage and water before
it was actually termed, this

1308
01:25:11,070 --> 01:25:14,400
would be the epitome of it. And
a lot of people felt like it was

1309
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,250
problematic and it also pushed
the boundaries on black

1310
01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:22,740
sexuality as well. Because in
the book, should Avery and see

1311
01:25:22,740 --> 01:25:27,150
we had a a had a sexual
relationship. Now that's why

1312
01:25:27,450 --> 01:25:28,290
Bobby

1313
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,370
Why can't was saying she's glad
that they didn't have to explore

1314
01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:34,560
all that in the movie because
she thought it would be too

1315
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,260
much. And she would actually had

1316
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,820
she actually had reservations
about doing the movie now let's

1317
01:25:41,820 --> 01:25:44,970
be honest here. Who is the
people behind the movie? Steven

1318
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:45,600
Spielberg?

1319
01:25:46,710 --> 01:25:50,520
Yes. And Oprah right and I even
told this woman that she had

1320
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:51,960
they came away and

1321
01:25:53,190 --> 01:25:56,670
it's a very fascinating
interview how much she had to go

1322
01:25:56,670 --> 01:26:01,770
through in getting prepared for
this character. So um, but then

1323
01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:05,490
the question came about the
black people our perception of

1324
01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:09,120
the of the movie in the booth a
phone ring.

1325
01:26:10,590 --> 01:26:13,650
Now this was a print interview
right? That's why the sound is

1326
01:26:13,650 --> 01:26:16,890
off. This is just her arc her
archive of all the people she's

1327
01:26:16,890 --> 01:26:21,300
interviewed. Well, it's actually
recorded but I don't know if she

1328
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:25,290
was it was printed or not. But
she's gonna pick up the question

1329
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:27,930
Where are we gonna start right
with the doula a phone rang and

1330
01:26:27,930 --> 01:26:30,330
then we're going to pick up on
the question so the original

1331
01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:31,470
question was

1332
01:26:36,210 --> 01:26:37,860
can we hear the last thing I
want to get the

1333
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,960
full question in context? Yeah,
of course of course we can to

1334
01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:48,150
black people, because still some
black people are saying that you

1335
01:26:48,150 --> 01:26:51,660
know that the film demeans
blacks. So what what would you

1336
01:26:51,660 --> 01:26:53,340
like them to understand?

1337
01:26:54,780 --> 01:26:57,570
Hello, this is Bob boulais. I
got a little information for you

1338
01:26:57,570 --> 01:27:01,950
before you answer the question.
Okay, so the feeling that that

1339
01:27:01,950 --> 01:27:04,650
means black folks was when the
boom a phone rang right and they

1340
01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:06,420
had to get it so we can go into
17

1341
01:27:07,650 --> 01:27:11,310
Next, excuse me, and overall
Margaret, what would you like to

1342
01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:15,270
say to black people because
still some black people are

1343
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:21,030
saying that you know the film
demeans blacks. So what what

1344
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:24,150
would you like them to
understand? I'll show you

1345
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:28,350
Okay, I'll pick up my question
again.

1346
01:27:29,820 --> 01:27:32,220
Margaret, I know you must be
aware that there are still some

1347
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:35,160
black people who feel
uncomfortable with the color

1348
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:39,180
purple feel that it demeans
blacks particularly black men.

1349
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,040
Now, what would you like them

1350
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,260
The film was not a documentary

1351
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:52,350
in order to represent a people,
it must be all factual and this

1352
01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:56,940
was an entertaining piece taken
from a fiction book, I do

1353
01:27:56,940 --> 01:28:02,610
understand why the controversy
and that is because we as black

1354
01:28:02,610 --> 01:28:09,240
people do not see our in images
often on film, once we get the

1355
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:15,720
experience of having many images
and positive negative such as

1356
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:23,760
our Anglo counterparts, then we
will not think of it as

1357
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,370
representative of us, you when
you see your the dragon was also

1358
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,280
a controversial issue and I
think it was for the same

1359
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:32,880
reasons.

1360
01:28:34,140 --> 01:28:40,470
Because when you see your image,
so seldom you expect it to

1361
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:46,260
represent you and a film cannot
be entertaining and be burdened

1362
01:28:46,260 --> 01:28:49,050
with that responsibility. Okay.

1363
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:54,180
So you heard the question was
changed after the Boulez

1364
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,930
smokes about black man not black
people, um, and people

1365
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:05,520
understood that this character
mister was going to be a

1366
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,030
problem. And Fast Forward she
was talking about bra

1367
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:12,450
representation once we started
to get more images of ourselves

1368
01:29:12,450 --> 01:29:18,000
more movies made, but in most
archetypes when is blood, black,

1369
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:22,770
completely black movie, the
black man aren't saving people.

1370
01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,580
And very few cases, he's the
he's the problem. He's the bad

1371
01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:28,830
guy, right? I mean, look at
Tyler Perry. He's made a billion

1372
01:29:28,830 --> 01:29:30,960
dollars off of this, of this

1373
01:29:32,370 --> 01:29:35,610
archetype format. This format is
really a formula

1374
01:29:37,170 --> 01:29:41,490
and lack of lack of a better
word. So I just want to put that

1375
01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:45,450
out there that these movies
these images, you think you're

1376
01:29:45,450 --> 01:29:47,970
going to get better
representation but we still see

1377
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:52,890
our women when I say are women,
women in general and black women

1378
01:29:52,890 --> 01:29:56,760
specifically are lead with sex
sex sales, you know, you're not

1379
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,970
gonna get a why representation
around

1380
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,370
Women, right? It's gonna be one
of one of three, right? You're

1381
01:30:05,370 --> 01:30:07,530
going to need to be mammy,
you're going to be, you're

1382
01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:12,420
saying some kind of sexual
object, or you're going to be

1383
01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:18,900
this might just difficult
person. And I mean, if you look

1384
01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:22,740
at what was the scandal, that's
a perfect perfect representation

1385
01:30:22,740 --> 01:30:28,350
of that is just this focus on
career focused on myself kind of

1386
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:31,800
archetype. So,

1387
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,520
I say all this to say that

1388
01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:39,000
just what you said about ESG

1389
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,970
is the thing, the outcome coin
is called conspicuous

1390
01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:46,920
consciousness.

1391
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:48,660
Right?

1392
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:54,060
This is what woke is, this is
the best way to define wealth.

1393
01:30:54,090 --> 01:30:57,780
And do you know what conspicuous
consumption is. So we have to

1394
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:03,690
look at that term to understand
to speak with consciousness. For

1395
01:31:03,690 --> 01:31:06,120
the most part, I think it is
safe to say that we are all

1396
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,390
consumers. Unless you are the
person that lives completely off

1397
01:31:09,390 --> 01:31:12,840
the grid away from society and
are completely self sustaining,

1398
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:17,040
it is likely that you are a
consumer, we all use a purchase

1399
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:21,330
some goods or services at some
point in time, it is up to us as

1400
01:31:21,330 --> 01:31:24,150
individuals to decide what type
of consumer we want to be.

1401
01:31:25,260 --> 01:31:28,440
As a journey towards financial
freedom, I can see you to

1402
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:31,860
revisit this question in my
mind, what type of consumer do I

1403
01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:35,880
want to be? So what exactly is
conspicuous consumption?

1404
01:31:36,570 --> 01:31:40,410
conspicuous consumption is the
purchasing of luxury or

1405
01:31:40,410 --> 01:31:44,550
expensive goods and services, in
an effort to show people how

1406
01:31:44,550 --> 01:31:48,270
much you have, or in an effort
to display a certain type of

1407
01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:48,750
wealth.

1408
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,860
The problem comes in because the
majority of people who are

1409
01:31:52,860 --> 01:31:57,420
conspicuous consumers are
actually not wealthy. Now, some

1410
01:31:57,420 --> 01:32:00,660
of these conspicuous consumers
may be high income earners, they

1411
01:32:00,660 --> 01:32:03,720
bring in a good income, they
make good money, but they are

1412
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:06,930
constantly spending that money
in an effort to show people how

1413
01:32:06,930 --> 01:32:11,190
much they have. So in essence,
these types of conspicuous

1414
01:32:11,190 --> 01:32:15,000
consumers are slaves to their
job to their paycheck to those

1415
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,550
hours that they need to work in
order to continue to make their

1416
01:32:17,550 --> 01:32:20,850
money so that they can spend it.
Now it is my belief that

1417
01:32:20,850 --> 01:32:24,180
conspicuous consumers come in
all shapes, sizes and colors.

1418
01:32:24,510 --> 01:32:27,000
But traditionally, you might
have heard this before the

1419
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,230
majority of conspicuous
consumers are minorities. Now, I

1420
01:32:31,230 --> 01:32:33,780
don't know whether you agree
with this or not. And the data,

1421
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,250
I think is inconsistent.

1422
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:42,150
Well, conspicuous consumption,
cc, it's, it's interesting how

1423
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:45,300
Gucci has to season it. Yes.

1424
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:50,730
But conspicuous consumption is
the buying things that other

1425
01:32:50,730 --> 01:32:55,800
people can see him right. Yeah,
so conspicuous consciousness. He

1426
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:02,220
woke is I'm doing this so I seem
conscious. Right? So I seem like

1427
01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:05,880
I'm aware. Um, um, you know,
what it's for other people to

1428
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,760
see. And this is what you're
explaining with the ESV and I

1429
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,450
like I like this a lot better
than virtue signal. I think this

1430
01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:16,770
is this is much much richer term
and much richer term. Because

1431
01:33:16,770 --> 01:33:20,820
he's like, Look at me, look how
woke I am. Look out. Hi, I

1432
01:33:20,820 --> 01:33:24,300
understand black people. It's
not out of understanding black

1433
01:33:24,300 --> 01:33:29,400
people. It's for under it's for
your benefit. All right, it's

1434
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:34,140
like it's just another product
to buy. Um, it's just another

1435
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:38,760
you know, way to make yourself
elite. And these people come

1436
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:43,290
into our communities are so our,
our side our race, where you

1437
01:33:43,290 --> 01:33:46,140
want to say, I know you hate
that word community, but it's

1438
01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:49,560
really, it's a consciousness,
right? I mean, that's what we

1439
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,660
call what we first who is
communities to share

1440
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:55,230
consciousness. And they want to
tap into that for their own

1441
01:33:55,230 --> 01:33:56,220
personal gains.

1442
01:33:58,140 --> 01:34:02,490
If you follow along, yeah, no, I
Yes, I am. And simultaneously,

1443
01:34:02,490 --> 01:34:06,570
I'm reading about the guy who
coined the term, a sociologist,

1444
01:34:06,570 --> 01:34:10,350
of course, Thurman vert Veblen,
of course, these were these

1445
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:15,840
terms come from 1899 my brother,
this is 100 120 years ago. This

1446
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,230
is great. That's what we're
saying. And

1447
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:24,270
the reason why like with our
producers, and what we do here

1448
01:34:24,270 --> 01:34:28,560
our sales This is not for
vanity, right? We come here to

1449
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,850
gain understanding from each
other and then people sharing

1450
01:34:32,850 --> 01:34:36,660
that by listening and you know,
and and supporting, but it's not

1451
01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:42,540
to say oh, I support mo and Adam
right just like to you know, to

1452
01:34:43,290 --> 01:34:46,530
like gain kudos is actually
they're doing the work. So,

1453
01:34:46,830 --> 01:34:49,080
that's the counter to
conspicuous consumption

1454
01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:53,010
actually, trying to gain
understanding with someone for

1455
01:34:53,010 --> 01:34:54,630
your for your mutual benefit.

1456
01:34:55,740 --> 01:34:58,980
I have to, you know, after the
show, and for the next few

1457
01:34:58,980 --> 01:35:00,000
weeks, I'm gonna have to think
about

1458
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,470
The overlap between value for
value as we as we talk about it.

1459
01:35:04,650 --> 01:35:07,140
And of course, I see it
differently. But there's for

1460
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:11,790
sure there's, there's it's
giving me some clarity on on the

1461
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:14,340
mechanism, I, you know, we just
see it as,

1462
01:35:15,420 --> 01:35:20,910
here's a product, we believe it
has value. It's more of price

1463
01:35:20,910 --> 01:35:25,080
discovery than anything, if you
like it, just to attach a value

1464
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,870
to us and let us know, you know
what that was, and send it to

1465
01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:30,150
us. And that's, that's the value
exchange, we're just not

1466
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:33,780
blocking anybody in. But let me
be clear what I'm saying. And

1467
01:35:33,780 --> 01:35:37,500
what I'm saying is, some people
might be like, Oh, that's a

1468
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:40,410
black guy, white guy going
together that shows progress.

1469
01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:40,620
Let me

1470
01:35:43,860 --> 01:35:47,790
find value in the conversation.
And then the top is that we

1471
01:35:47,790 --> 01:35:51,030
wrote, and it's like, oh, I
actually found value in that.

1472
01:35:51,150 --> 01:35:53,340
And that's the difference,
right? conspicuous consumption.

1473
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:57,000
If you buy something, at its
price point, whatever you decide

1474
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:01,110
that would be best to the
consumer, to be worth is valued.

1475
01:36:01,110 --> 01:36:03,990
And it's not conspicuous, right?
It's like it's a need, or

1476
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:07,080
something that you're saying.
But if you say, I know, this is

1477
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:11,130
a poorly made pair of shoes, but
because everybody else values

1478
01:36:11,130 --> 01:36:15,720
it, I'm gonna pay $200 for it,
right looks very different. Yes,

1479
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:16,290
it's no different

1480
01:36:17,940 --> 01:36:20,850
on that, you know, just so it's
clear that however, I want

1481
01:36:21,060 --> 01:36:25,440
everyone to feel free to see
this show, as a $500 pair of

1482
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,680
Nikes. Just send us that, that'd
be great. We are just some, some

1483
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,840
some fancy Nikes here, that's
where we are.

1484
01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:35,550
Alright, so speaking of wit, I
think this would be a good time

1485
01:36:35,550 --> 01:36:41,400
to take a break. And thank our
producers. Yes, I love playing a

1486
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,220
little donation bits. So just to
get everybody into the mood,

1487
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:47,640
right man in the black man have
to be able to sit down at the

1488
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,910
same table. For white man has to
feel free to speak his mind

1489
01:36:50,910 --> 01:36:53,700
without hurting the feelings are
both negros and the so called

1490
01:36:53,700 --> 01:36:56,730
Negro has to feel free to speak
his mind without hurting the

1491
01:36:56,730 --> 01:36:59,520
feeling of the right man, then
they can bring the issues that

1492
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,860
are under the rug out on top of
the table and take an

1493
01:37:01,860 --> 01:37:04,380
intelligent approach to get the
problem solved. That's the only

1494
01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:07,950
way to do it. And that is
exactly what we're doing here

1495
01:37:07,950 --> 01:37:11,400
with Moe facts with Adam Curry.
It's, I think we're the real

1496
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,220
deal. And then those phony
Bologna's Obama and Bruce

1497
01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:18,540
Springsteen, they're the $500,
Nike, oh, I must listen to that,

1498
01:37:18,540 --> 01:37:19,470
because it's great

1499
01:37:20,730 --> 01:37:24,120
for the grass roots, with a one
on one

1500
01:37:26,490 --> 01:37:31,950
product that actually has no it,
the value values there, and the

1501
01:37:31,950 --> 01:37:36,000
people show us. So the value for
value model is as I just

1502
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,480
explained it, if you get any
value out of this, just put that

1503
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:42,540
into a number that's meaningful
for you send it back to us. And

1504
01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:46,530
we do that of course through the
most conventional way, which is

1505
01:37:46,530 --> 01:37:50,280
Pay Pal. And you can find that
mo facts calm. In fact, if you

1506
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:55,380
want to go straight to donation
page is mo fund me.com.

1507
01:37:56,460 --> 01:37:59,310
You can also boost if you're
using a podcasting 2.0

1508
01:38:00,330 --> 01:38:04,080
app. And we just added a cool
feature Moe, that you can add a

1509
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,670
note with your with your Insta
boost or with your tip, we have

1510
01:38:08,670 --> 01:38:11,850
some apps that are doing it with
tips. And when you do that, you

1511
01:38:11,850 --> 01:38:14,610
can add a little note in which
we can then read and we can see

1512
01:38:14,610 --> 01:38:15,300
when you did it

1513
01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:20,400
so we can see what you liked.
Very, very happy with this. Now

1514
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,520
we do have a number of people
who have supported us a great

1515
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,160
list we're going to do two,
we're going to break it down

1516
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,490
into two parts here. This of
course is over the past several

1517
01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:36,000
weeks. So some will be the show
number donation by default

1518
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,420
because you know, they probably
weren't sent in for 63 we'll

1519
01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:43,110
bring it in. But starting off
with the I guess the big baller

1520
01:38:43,110 --> 01:38:49,560
of the day Jackie green with
$420 I wonder what that means.

1521
01:38:51,420 --> 01:38:56,520
Is as Jackie green Jasmine
green, Jackie green for 20.

1522
01:38:57,180 --> 01:39:00,660
Great work Moe and Adam really
liked the whap episode. Keep on

1523
01:39:00,660 --> 01:39:03,630
Yes, thank you very much Jackie
green. That is hugely

1524
01:39:03,630 --> 01:39:08,580
appreciated. And there we see
Cirque de Fuca zotoh who is the

1525
01:39:08,580 --> 01:39:11,280
Duke of America's Heartland in
the Arabian Peninsula how

1526
01:39:12,510 --> 01:39:13,890
to be baller. Whoa, whoa, whoa

1527
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,390
whoa, big ballers gotta get

1528
01:39:20,130 --> 01:39:23,970
blades. Oh, man. I'm Rusty. Mo
I'm Rusty. I got to get the

1529
01:39:23,970 --> 01:39:26,040
place back in my head. Sorry,
Jackie.

1530
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:28,350
Now we go to Dave fukase

1531
01:39:29,850 --> 01:39:33,030
oh one and he says thank you for
your character for your courage

1532
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:36,420
Keep up the great education and
work any plans for deep dive

1533
01:39:36,420 --> 01:39:41,400
into the Tulsa massacre which is
that did pop up in the in the

1534
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,220
news in the past two months so
that's probably why he asked for

1535
01:39:44,220 --> 01:39:46,110
it. Yeah,

1536
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,340
same thing. I'm happy to right
approach. Guys don't want to

1537
01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:52,860
rehash history. Yeah, exactly.

1538
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:57,450
Yeah, so answer Yeah. You know
what, sir Dave, it always these

1539
01:39:57,450 --> 01:39:59,970
things do come up. Eventually.
We just got to go with the flow.

1540
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,190
And go down the right rabbit
holes. And that's when they

1541
01:40:02,370 --> 01:40:05,670
really come into play. It's
beautiful that way. Thank you,

1542
01:40:05,670 --> 01:40:08,460
sir Ross Easterling $200 sends
us a link,

1543
01:40:09,780 --> 01:40:13,260
which actually I'll put the link
next to his name in the credits.

1544
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:16,530
I think it's a Whitney Webb
article

1545
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,660
about john hopkins planning to
mass

1546
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,700
trying medical experimentation
on minorities as racial justice.

1547
01:40:26,700 --> 01:40:29,430
I had not looked at the link
yet. I can't wait. You should

1548
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:32,010
look at it too. We'll put it in
the show notes next to the

1549
01:40:32,010 --> 01:40:36,330
credits. Thank you very much,
Ross. Aaron Kramer $165 says

1550
01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:39,360
this is the cost for a ticket to
hear the author of white

1551
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:44,130
fragility speak. Now this is
this is value for value. This is

1552
01:40:44,130 --> 01:40:48,360
how it works. I love this idea.
All my friends read the book, I

1553
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,990
read it too. But the information
and insight I get from you is

1554
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:56,370
far more valuable. I'm happy to
hear that. I cannot express how

1555
01:40:56,370 --> 01:40:59,070
hopeful I feel about racial
reconciliation in the United

1556
01:40:59,070 --> 01:41:02,430
States after listening to you to
speak. This is in contrast to

1557
01:41:02,430 --> 01:41:06,240
the despair I felt about the
same year ago, I had been mind

1558
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,030
controlled into thinking that I
could never understand how a

1559
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:13,350
person of color feels also known
as a colored person. And I now

1560
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:16,860
understand what that it is worth
trying. Thank you, Aaron Cramer.

1561
01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:21,930
Aaron. Welcome. Welcome to the
Welcome to the tribe. This is a

1562
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:25,110
very healthy to see you talking
like this. I like that a lot.

1563
01:41:25,290 --> 01:41:29,850
Because we as certainly as as
white Americans. Yeah, that's it

1564
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,060
that's pushed around all the
time, and you can't understand

1565
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:35,610
you really don't understand you
need to listen to this white

1566
01:41:35,610 --> 01:41:38,760
lady with her book, and then you
can understand why. Yeah, that's

1567
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,540
fantastic. Yeah, it just proves
it. And by the way, you know,

1568
01:41:42,570 --> 01:41:46,620
moe and iron are, what do we
have in common? We like hanging

1569
01:41:46,620 --> 01:41:50,010
out with successful people. We
like family, and we're American

1570
01:41:50,010 --> 01:41:53,430
men. Everything else is
superficial. But we come from

1571
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:55,170
completely different
backgrounds. So of course,

1572
01:41:55,170 --> 01:41:57,570
there's going to be differences.
Welcome to the beauty of the

1573
01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:01,530
United States. And many
countries could apply this I

1574
01:42:01,530 --> 01:42:02,040
would hope

1575
01:42:03,420 --> 01:42:11,790
$150 from land v. New Ian. Yes.
I hope I pronounced that right.

1576
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:17,760
Excuse me, that's that's the
tiger RT. Ah, okay. In fact,

1577
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:21,510
starts off by saying you gone
and broke down Tiger on T. I

1578
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:24,870
wept hard during the last
episode when you said whap

1579
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:26,760
stands for we are people to

1580
01:42:27,930 --> 01:42:31,710
now I know how she felt. Just
like those who have to

1581
01:42:31,710 --> 01:42:35,310
prostitute to survive at some
point or another. We are all

1582
01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:38,520
forced to sell a bit of
ourselves, whether in compliance

1583
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:42,210
to taking a fake vaccine so we
can keep our jobs or in the case

1584
01:42:42,210 --> 01:42:45,750
of Auntie Maxine. sell her
people to lick the crumbs off

1585
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:49,320
Pelosi table, as we've learned
from recent controversies

1586
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,560
between Kwame brown and Dr.
Boyce, pay attention to the

1587
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:53,580
puppet masters.

1588
01:42:54,750 --> 01:42:56,100
That's what we're doing right
here.

1589
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:02,580
Wow, I got the cane with the
heat. Oh, I just want to say one

1590
01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:06,810
thing about the prostituting men
that's what we're saying that

1591
01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:10,320
well, I can't say we That's what
I'm saying. And these episodes

1592
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,450
are made on under we are people

1593
01:43:13,890 --> 01:43:17,880
you're more than just someone to
sell products to, you're more

1594
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:21,300
than just like a pod on the
chessboard. And we all

1595
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:25,320
prostitute ourselves in some
way. shape or form. It's

1596
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:28,800
somewhere in life. It's not only
through sex, where the thing is,

1597
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:30,270
is that with these

1598
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:36,210
with these are women, I have to
say our women of the market show

1599
01:43:36,210 --> 01:43:41,250
is targeted towards women
specifically because at the end

1600
01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:44,160
of the day, they're the one that
bought the majority of products

1601
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:48,120
I make they make the decision to
shelf at the shelf, right i mean

1602
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:54,780
so that's why you get targeted
in that way and your emotional

1603
01:43:57,180 --> 01:44:01,050
beings as well. So they tap into
it, which I find very sick, to

1604
01:44:01,050 --> 01:44:02,130
be honest. And

1605
01:44:03,570 --> 01:44:08,880
I was an absolute corporate
whore. I sold Budweiser and

1606
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,690
Skittles and Neutrogena and all
that for a living.

1607
01:44:13,980 --> 01:44:17,580
And I had a corporate master and
I really didn't even realize it.

1608
01:44:19,410 --> 01:44:23,880
So absolute spot on Tiger
auntie. But once you do realize

1609
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,760
that once you choose a different
path, which is much more

1610
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:33,180
complicated often it's very
liberating is Philip brown 142

1611
01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:38,940
and that comprise is comprised
of 63 460-360-4464 and a hammy

1612
01:44:38,940 --> 01:44:45,090
on the X spot and five on it.
73k I five and TY 70 threes.

1613
01:44:45,090 --> 01:44:48,900
Kita five alpha Charlie Charlie,
good to Good to see you there.

1614
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:52,440
Philip. Thank you very much Ben
Sterling. I know Ben. Ben is a

1615
01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:55,710
dude named Ben $100. And he says
mo thank you for your courage

1616
01:44:55,710 --> 01:44:59,460
and what you do, please D dead
meet me. Well, we can do that.

1617
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:06,929
Congratulations. You're no
longer a deadbeat. No more. If

1618
01:45:06,929 --> 01:45:09,239
you ever get around to it. I
would love to hear an episode on

1619
01:45:09,239 --> 01:45:12,179
general Beauregard and Jim Linda
Davis.

1620
01:45:13,469 --> 01:45:17,069
Halfway through Episode 63. And
I must say amazing work.

1621
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:20,490
Do I know these names?

1622
01:45:21,570 --> 01:45:25,680
Ah, they slipped past me. I'll
have to look into them. This is

1623
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:29,730
what I love about the value for
value. It's, I mean, sure the

1624
01:45:29,730 --> 01:45:32,580
the donations are important, but
it's the notes that always get

1625
01:45:32,580 --> 01:45:36,390
me it relates to this is people
forgot. We could make it

1626
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:39,900
interactive. Whoops. Here we go.
As always, gentlemen. Oh, Adam,

1627
01:45:39,900 --> 01:45:41,940
for your part. Thank you for
bringing us mo you're more than

1628
01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:44,490
welcome. It's my pleasure. I'm
bringing mode to me. I'm

1629
01:45:44,490 --> 01:45:47,370
learning. As always, gentlemen,
I truly appreciate the Frank

1630
01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:49,980
nature nature in which you just
talk about the topics without

1631
01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:53,280
allowing any hard feelings.
Baronet dude named Ben named

1632
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:56,190
Ben, defender of the megawatts
protector of the electric grid.

1633
01:45:56,190 --> 01:45:58,980
Very important guy in my life.
Ben Stirling. Love that. Thank

1634
01:45:58,980 --> 01:45:59,310
you, Ben.

1635
01:46:00,450 --> 01:46:04,350
Joseph Barnes also $100 sorry
about the drunk email about

1636
01:46:04,350 --> 01:46:07,770
Denzel Washington a few months
ago. It's okay. We've all been

1637
01:46:07,770 --> 01:46:10,710
there. I'd love to hear a
conversation about music history

1638
01:46:10,710 --> 01:46:13,590
and American culture through an
impoverished black and white

1639
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:18,600
communities IE Paul Wall and
Mike Jones. No, this podcast is

1640
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:22,440
show me a truth. I tried to pass
to everyone I know. But a lot of

1641
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:24,780
the conversation a lot of what
we talked about is history,

1642
01:46:24,780 --> 01:46:26,700
American culture, etc.

1643
01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:30,900
Yeah, the real the real culture.
Manufactured packaged culture.

1644
01:46:30,930 --> 01:46:33,900
Yes, it's not just what you saw
on the movies, but the story

1645
01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:37,140
behind Dr. Thunder bunk
funderburk

1646
01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:42,510
$100 thank you so much great
donations, Mr. Moe said Mr.

1647
01:46:42,510 --> 01:46:44,820
Moke. Facts I think Mr. Moe
facts thank you for your in

1648
01:46:44,820 --> 01:46:47,700
depth, broad stroke
compassionate contribution to

1649
01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:51,270
mankind. You're easily the most
influential person I've listened

1650
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:55,080
to in the last five years. I
have recently started a new job

1651
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,600
with heavy labor and your
podcast acts as my hearing

1652
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,230
protection. getting me through
hours of overtime. I only saw it

1653
01:47:01,230 --> 01:47:04,770
fit to return the value with a
slice of my overtime pie. Adam

1654
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:08,190
you're cool too. I do my best to
spread this information to

1655
01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:11,220
everyone I know. phenomenal work
service. This is the first of

1656
01:47:11,220 --> 01:47:14,550
many donations please give me
some mo karma. Thank you very

1657
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:17,970
much we love the Nina de douche
into it. Let's see that he

1658
01:47:17,970 --> 01:47:22,500
didn't ask for it but but first
donation dead beating then in

1659
01:47:22,500 --> 01:47:23,670
that case Excuse me, excuse me.

1660
01:47:25,980 --> 01:47:27,150
Sending you tons

1661
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,220
that's okay. It means it's
working.

1662
01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:43,560
$83 from rain Rutherford. Really
appreciate all you do mo been

1663
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,250
listening since episode one on a
Joe no mo which means it came

1664
01:47:47,250 --> 01:47:51,420
from a Joe Rogan no agenda to mo
facts. Every episode is well

1665
01:47:51,420 --> 01:47:55,350
researched and thought out
leaving me Mind blown. I would

1666
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:58,290
love to hear your opinion on the
Great Migration back to the

1667
01:47:58,290 --> 01:47:58,890
south.

1668
01:48:01,140 --> 01:48:04,290
Yeah, and we're going through
another iteration of that so

1669
01:48:04,290 --> 01:48:08,520
that definitely could be a topic
for another show. Cool. And now

1670
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,730
we have a two spot on show
donations the first one from

1671
01:48:11,730 --> 01:48:17,610
Chris Bailey $64 brings it in on
episode 64. And sir seats that

1672
01:48:17,610 --> 01:48:21,630
are $64 who says love is lit
excited to hear mo on the behind

1673
01:48:21,660 --> 01:48:26,400
the schemes. Peter for eight
above all love each other deeply

1674
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,360
because love covers over a
multitude of sins. I agree with

1675
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:36,270
it. How can you not 5555 from
Michael mccririck Can I please

1676
01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:38,640
have a D deadbeat and some mo
karma

1677
01:48:40,350 --> 01:48:46,140
Congratulations. You're no
longer dead be the mo karma is

1678
01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:49,650
for his baby as is the one he
and his wife have coming in

1679
01:48:49,650 --> 01:48:51,900
August shows have been awesome
recently. I appreciate your

1680
01:48:51,900 --> 01:48:53,970
perspective. Here it is your

1681
01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:55,950
mocha

1682
01:48:59,910 --> 01:49:02,550
now what these by the way our
associate executive prusa should

1683
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:06,780
have mentioned $100 and above is
an executive producer and you

1684
01:49:06,780 --> 01:49:08,850
get the credits and the credits
are really you can use them

1685
01:49:08,850 --> 01:49:11,670
anywhere you want. People should
take note that these are

1686
01:49:11,730 --> 01:49:15,000
recognized in professional
business when you are a producer

1687
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,130
an executive producer or
associate executive producer,

1688
01:49:17,250 --> 01:49:22,590
but mo facts with Adam Curry and
5291 comes from anonymous see we

1689
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:25,770
have a monthly struggle session
and in March I mentioned that

1690
01:49:25,770 --> 01:49:28,710
I'd been learning about a das
and how much they deserve

1691
01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:33,030
reparations. They haven't asked
my opinion since love what

1692
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:35,610
you're doing could you send me
links to the evidence of Obama

1693
01:49:35,610 --> 01:49:38,160
with the bushes I've been trying
to convince my friends but they

1694
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:42,420
are devotees of BBC News if you
have the bill clinton slash

1695
01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:45,630
Little Rock slash cocaine
chicken receipts they will be an

1696
01:49:45,630 --> 01:49:51,180
added bonus well there's that is
easy I mean you can find the all

1697
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:53,820
the clinton Little Rock stuff
everywhere.

1698
01:49:55,140 --> 01:49:57,900
Obama with the bushes You mean
that they're related because I

1699
01:49:57,900 --> 01:49:59,910
think that's also pretty common
knowledge.

1700
01:50:00,750 --> 01:50:01,140
Isn't it?

1701
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:07,290
A misuse means maybe maybe for
us in America, so we'll give him

1702
01:50:07,290 --> 01:50:11,880
the benefit of the doubt. But
yes, it's readily available. Um,

1703
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:16,530
I'm glad to see it's working.
Yes, exactly. It's reading.

1704
01:50:18,119 --> 01:50:19,169
Actually no more questions

1705
01:50:20,850 --> 01:50:24,450
and every word, and the only
thing I would say is, I think we

1706
01:50:24,450 --> 01:50:28,650
prefer the term atonement. Yes,
that's true. Now, which I like

1707
01:50:28,650 --> 01:50:31,530
it too. By the way, it's much
more meaningful than

1708
01:50:31,530 --> 01:50:35,250
reparations. And that's what we
have to do is redefine these

1709
01:50:35,250 --> 01:50:40,050
terms being used. We should call
Edward Bernays. Maybe you can

1710
01:50:40,050 --> 01:50:41,550
give us some ideas and how to do
it.

1711
01:50:43,110 --> 01:50:46,740
Eric off $51 in the quarter
thanks for the show. Guys. Mo

1712
01:50:46,740 --> 01:50:49,170
you do so much research and the
show was very interesting.

1713
01:50:49,170 --> 01:50:53,280
informative and entertaining.
Thank you, Eric. Chris kimmich

1714
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:57,300
$50.33 please D dead beat me.

1715
01:50:58,980 --> 01:51:05,040
Congratulations. You're no
longer a deadbeat. Shout out to

1716
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:09,030
john Kim she mo comma for all
thank you for your courage mo

1717
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:09,660
and Adam.

1718
01:51:11,340 --> 01:51:12,060
You've got

1719
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:22,350
we have Ramon Johnson $50 what
do you think about the 1619

1720
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:26,100
project? Okay, my what episode
should Ramon be listening to?

1721
01:51:26,100 --> 01:51:29,340
Because I know how would you ask
me that question? He know I'm

1722
01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,930
terrible. We shout numbers. Ah,
it's actually called 1619 right?

1723
01:51:33,930 --> 01:51:36,690
I think we was called 16 might
think so. Was that was that we

1724
01:51:36,690 --> 01:51:40,890
actually titled it I've got
things Oh, hold on. Let me Why

1725
01:51:40,890 --> 01:51:43,500
do you always do this with the
numbers man they started to ring

1726
01:51:43,500 --> 01:51:43,890
together.

1727
01:51:44,940 --> 01:51:48,990
Why do I do it because you think
it's bad for you? I have no idea

1728
01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:51,090
what I'm talking about. I don't
know any of them yours.

1729
01:51:52,650 --> 01:51:58,530
And I'll find the number okay.
You got it. As we move on to

1730
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:02,250
summer Norris $50. These are the
50s which are the final

1731
01:52:02,250 --> 01:52:05,970
associate executive producers.
And summer says armed with

1732
01:52:05,970 --> 01:52:08,970
knowledge learned from most
history listen lists lesson on

1733
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:14,070
chauvinism. My Russian boyfriend
was able to slam an ill informed

1734
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:17,790
woman who called him a male
chauvinist by informing her of

1735
01:52:17,790 --> 01:52:20,160
the root and true definition of
the word

1736
01:52:21,210 --> 01:52:23,490
well how did that turn out and
why were you the more you The

1737
01:52:23,490 --> 01:52:26,040
more you know? Keep it up guys
believe it or not. There's an

1738
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:29,400
army of women in this country
who deeply value the masculine

1739
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:33,810
man. Guess what? I think we both
believe it. No doubt. Thank you

1740
01:52:33,810 --> 01:52:38,850
for sharing. Douglas MOOC MOOC
$50 weight weight with his show

1741
01:52:38,850 --> 01:52:45,660
37 a share. Wow, what it was
okay. Ah, excellent. Yes. So

1742
01:52:45,660 --> 01:52:49,860
Ramon checkout show 37 Go to
archive.mo facts.com.

1743
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:54,570
Causeway Douglas mukarram. Oak
$50. With no note thank you very

1744
01:52:54,570 --> 01:52:59,790
much Douglas. Joseph, sila No.
Also $50 this is for Episode 63.

1745
01:52:59,790 --> 01:53:03,480
So we'll still get you on the
episode. credits for 264

1746
01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:06,690
straight fire. You were
schooling us on how to think

1747
01:53:06,750 --> 01:53:10,290
critical thinking skills not
what to think all your episodes

1748
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:13,110
are fire and it's time for me to
support your work with Fiat

1749
01:53:13,110 --> 01:53:17,040
dollars. Joseph Thank you. We
you can send the cookbooks we

1750
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:21,000
also will take a boost from you
can use a podcasting 2.0 app.

1751
01:53:21,180 --> 01:53:26,970
new podcast apps calm $50 from
David roll. Who wants a biscuit

1752
01:53:26,970 --> 01:53:29,640
for his birthday? Ben get
they'll do that right always

1753
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,480
give me a biscuit on my
birthday. And no mo I didn't

1754
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:36,690
don't need you to butter it. Mo
it's great. You're able to

1755
01:53:36,690 --> 01:53:40,860
revive the career of 90s dj vj
Dan Cortez.

1756
01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:47,370
Cortez, Dan Cortez, I should
say. So that's a nice backhand

1757
01:53:47,370 --> 01:53:49,830
of slam David. Thank you. I
really appreciate it. I think

1758
01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:54,180
outlasted Dan Cortez when he
came in with Do you remember

1759
01:53:54,180 --> 01:53:57,330
him? No, I do not. He came in

1760
01:53:58,950 --> 01:54:04,980
probably around 9192. And he was
a handsome man. Young and he did

1761
01:54:04,980 --> 01:54:10,050
crazy to the extreme sports show
on MTV. And it just it

1762
01:54:11,190 --> 01:54:16,740
vaguely caught fire. caught fire
and he be flamed out after a

1763
01:54:16,740 --> 01:54:18,720
couple of years. I'm not sure
what happened. I think he's did

1764
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:19,530
a rockin job.

1765
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:25,650
Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah, the bad the
basketball stuff. Where's Yeah,

1766
01:54:25,650 --> 01:54:28,560
yeah, I used to do Roxy. I used
to do rock and jock when it was

1767
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:33,330
baseball. And then Dan came in.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can play

1768
01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:34,020
baseball.

1769
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:38,100
That's one thing. I'm kind of
fencing in baseball for some

1770
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:43,980
reason. It's been a while.
onward. Brandon Archer sends us

1771
01:54:43,980 --> 01:54:46,110
$50 and want to cancel cannon.

1772
01:54:49,620 --> 01:54:56,940
Yeah, there you go. Gregory Shin
s Shin is ch e n e n n e z $50.

1773
01:54:56,940 --> 01:54:59,970
And no note we thank you very
much. And now coming in

1774
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,470
26 was $50 there is one more
time Elvis the chef Rosenberg,

1775
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:06,120
you know he wants that cancel
cannon.

1776
01:55:08,670 --> 01:55:11,580
Thanks, chef, Chef, big
supporter, big supporter of the

1777
01:55:11,580 --> 01:55:15,990
show. Yes, he is. And here we
see David roll come in again. So

1778
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:20,160
I'm actually thinking he should
be an executive producer since

1779
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:26,100
he told it's for two shows or
two donations. It totals 100. So

1780
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:27,210
I think he moves up.

1781
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:31,410
But we will read his note here
the second donation Can I get a

1782
01:55:31,410 --> 01:55:35,430
biscuit for America's birthday?
They always give me a biscuit on

1783
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:39,330
my birthday. Also was Morgan
Freeman and Connie's birthday in

1784
01:55:39,330 --> 01:55:42,270
June but as Lionel Richie his
birthday was on the 20th of June

1785
01:55:42,270 --> 01:55:45,930
we know he can last all night
long, but we know he was dancing

1786
01:55:45,930 --> 01:55:48,570
on the ceiling Friday and
finally let's knock out the

1787
01:55:48,570 --> 01:55:52,620
birthdays in June for Mike Tyson
on the 30th biscuits for all or

1788
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:56,460
none at all. Don't be stingy
with the biscuits. Man biscuit

1789
01:55:56,460 --> 01:55:58,410
on my birthday. My two biscuits
then.

1790
01:55:59,910 --> 01:56:04,200
David frenzy thank you David for
the celebrity birthday vs.

1791
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:10,350
Burnett haggis comes in with $50
as well associate executive

1792
01:56:10,350 --> 01:56:14,430
producer in the morning Adam and
mo This is my first mo faccin

1793
01:56:14,430 --> 01:56:16,560
donation so please D dead beat
me.

1794
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:24,300
Congratulations. You're no
longer dead be been a no agenda

1795
01:56:24,300 --> 01:56:27,090
producer since Episode 10. But
just recently started listening

1796
01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:30,900
to mo facts as an evil straight
white man. I find the

1797
01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:33,750
information discussed on the
show to be insightful, thought

1798
01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:38,040
provoking eye opening and
extremely necessary. Thank you

1799
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:42,060
both for this power for show
love is lit. Baronet haggis.

1800
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,970
Thank you very much. Sir haggis.

1801
01:56:46,140 --> 01:56:50,580
David chaloner is a last
associate executive producer. As

1802
01:56:50,580 --> 01:56:54,870
we round out this first thank
you section of the show. And

1803
01:56:54,930 --> 01:56:58,050
David is very simple just said
thank you. And we thank you and

1804
01:56:58,050 --> 01:57:01,320
we thank all of our executive
producers, our big baller and

1805
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:04,890
our associate executive
producers for Episode 64 of mo

1806
01:57:04,890 --> 01:57:08,220
facts with Adam Curry. We will
be thanking a few more people

1807
01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:11,910
later on in this episode. As
always, if you want to support

1808
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:15,510
us as value for value you can
boost us through podcasting 2.0

1809
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:21,540
app or send us your cookbooks go
to Moe facts comm or go directly

1810
01:57:21,540 --> 01:57:25,410
to their nation page at mo
funmi.com thank you very much

1811
01:57:25,410 --> 01:57:27,240
for supporting mo facts with
Adam Curry.

1812
01:57:29,340 --> 01:57:34,770
I so we came out of a wit
conspicuous consciousness. And

1813
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:40,440
we have to look at is Harlem
because Harlem in the night

1814
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:45,420
saints when he was the ground
zero jazz music knew what was

1815
01:57:45,420 --> 01:57:51,060
ground zero for flappers. And we
know Harlem was

1816
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:55,710
famously known for the black
Harlem Renaissance. So we have

1817
01:57:55,710 --> 01:57:59,550
to go and look back and see who
was conspicuously consuming

1818
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:04,590
speakers Lee consuming
consciousness at the time, and

1819
01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:09,360
there's another meme called Miss
Anne in the black community. I'm

1820
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,870
delighted to welcome Carla
Kaplan to the program. And her

1821
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:16,860
latest book, Miss Anne in
Harlem, the white women of the

1822
01:58:16,860 --> 01:58:21,180
black Renaissance has just been
published by Harper Collins, a

1823
01:58:21,180 --> 01:58:23,760
lots been written about the
African American artists,

1824
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:27,300
writers, entertainers and
intellectuals who burst onto the

1825
01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:31,440
public scene during the Harlem
Renaissance of the 1920s to the

1826
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:36,000
mid 30s. Also well documented
are the white men who encouraged

1827
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:39,690
this outpouring of creativity
and energy with their money and

1828
01:58:39,690 --> 01:58:43,050
influence. But what about the
white women who were so drawn to

1829
01:58:43,050 --> 01:58:46,500
what was happening in Harlem,
that they risked the derision of

1830
01:58:46,500 --> 01:58:50,130
their families to be a part of
it, what they brought to Harlem,

1831
01:58:50,370 --> 01:58:53,850
and what they gained from it is
the subject of Carla Kaplan's

1832
01:58:53,850 --> 01:58:58,560
book and our discussion today.
Welcome. Thank you. So why a

1833
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:02,130
book about the white women of
the Harlem Renaissance? Well,

1834
01:59:02,130 --> 01:59:05,610
the first answer, the simplest
answer is it's an untold story.

1835
01:59:05,670 --> 01:59:08,580
It was the last untold story
really, of the Harlem

1836
01:59:08,580 --> 01:59:11,940
Renaissance and a story we
didn't have at all. These were

1837
01:59:11,940 --> 01:59:16,110
women who were, as you say,
risking extraordinary derision,

1838
01:59:16,110 --> 01:59:19,140
but also who were doing
something that in their day was

1839
01:59:19,140 --> 01:59:22,980
considered unthinkable, choosing
blackness over whiteness in the

1840
01:59:22,980 --> 01:59:28,200
1920s. And for so long, that
choice ended up in some ways

1841
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:31,740
making this an untold story. So
the first reason to tell the

1842
01:59:31,740 --> 01:59:34,830
story is we needed it to fill
out the rest of our history.

1843
01:59:35,550 --> 01:59:38,130
Okay, so I love this show.

1844
01:59:39,180 --> 01:59:43,050
Because only unmowed facts with
Adam Curry, will you hear the

1845
01:59:43,050 --> 01:59:44,580
genesis of Karen?

1846
01:59:46,890 --> 01:59:49,680
Miss Anne has got to be the
Karen of her day.

1847
01:59:50,730 --> 01:59:53,790
Well, Karen and Miss Aaron's
look a little different, a

1848
01:59:53,820 --> 01:59:59,100
little different. Well, Miss
Eric and up and Karen. So let's

1849
01:59:59,100 --> 01:59:59,970
just be clear, but

1850
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,470
And is the steering hand behind
the female steering hand behind

1851
02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:13,890
black movements, right? So these
people came into Harlem, we're

1852
02:00:14,070 --> 02:00:17,040
gonna go through I think like
three of them. And we're gonna

1853
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,520
explore what happened in Harlem
and look forward and see who

1854
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:25,710
could possibly be the Miss and
now staring the pot in these

1855
02:00:25,740 --> 02:00:31,950
conversations that you see with
a mega stallion and Maxine

1856
02:00:31,950 --> 02:00:37,800
Waters, and Caitlin Greenwich,
who who rubber stamp that?

1857
02:00:38,850 --> 02:00:42,090
Who gave their approval? I mean,
they're not moving autonomously.

1858
02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:46,080
So I don't have an answer for
that this year. Maybe they

1859
02:00:46,110 --> 02:00:51,150
outsource Miss. And to Caitlin
Greenwich, that'll be a

1860
02:00:51,150 --> 02:00:54,990
possibility, then the best
missed the best Miss Anne is a

1861
02:00:54,990 --> 02:00:59,100
black massager. Sure. Because
they're very, they can be very

1862
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,430
fly under the radar. So we have
to go back. And like I said,

1863
02:01:02,430 --> 02:01:07,860
1920s were the origination of
this. The youth movement are

1864
02:01:07,860 --> 02:01:12,960
pushing change through youth,
and one of it is Harlem. So

1865
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:16,710
we're gonna go through these
clips. So let's go ahead and get

1866
02:01:16,710 --> 02:01:17,730
into them. Miss and

1867
02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:22,800
Miss Ann, where does the term
come from? So as far as we know,

1868
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:26,160
and I've done a lot of work
trying to figure out where that

1869
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:31,590
term first came from. It seems
to have been a term coined well

1870
02:01:31,590 --> 02:01:36,120
before the Harlem Renaissance by
black female, Southern domestic

1871
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:39,510
workers, who were stuck in the
kitchens of white women

1872
02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:44,760
employers for 12 hours a day, 14
hours a day, sometimes 17 and 19

1873
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:49,560
hours a day, and could not
afford to deride or disrespect

1874
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,740
those women to their faces. They
were employers, but behind their

1875
02:01:52,740 --> 02:01:56,040
back, they could refer to them
categorically and dismiss them

1876
02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:00,510
as missing. Yes. And so it's the
counterpart to Mr. Charlie and

1877
02:02:00,510 --> 02:02:04,680
Mr. Eddie, which are also
derisive terms for white folks.

1878
02:02:04,740 --> 02:02:08,670
Okay. You chose about what there
are a number of Miss Ann's in

1879
02:02:08,670 --> 02:02:12,270
our book, but you concentrated
on maybe about a half dozen or

1880
02:02:12,270 --> 02:02:12,870
so of them.

1881
02:02:15,630 --> 02:02:19,740
The women are each fascinating
in different ways. But was there

1882
02:02:19,740 --> 02:02:23,460
something that they all had in
common? There were a number of

1883
02:02:23,460 --> 02:02:28,830
things they all had in common.
One of them was that every one

1884
02:02:28,890 --> 02:02:31,860
of these women and you're
exactly right, that the six are

1885
02:02:31,860 --> 02:02:35,820
very different. And in fact, I
deliberately chose six who

1886
02:02:35,820 --> 02:02:40,260
exemplify a range of roles white
women played in the black Harlem

1887
02:02:40,260 --> 02:02:44,640
Renaissance, so that readers
could see women who were there

1888
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,910
with honorable intentions, who
were there with dishonorable

1889
02:02:47,910 --> 02:02:51,420
intentions and pretty much
everything in between. But every

1890
02:02:51,420 --> 02:02:56,400
one of them shared an idea very
novel in the 1920s. That

1891
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:59,010
identity could be something
other than biology.

1892
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:06,780
Whoa, whoa, okay. So I've keep
forgetting that you're from the

1893
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:10,680
future so you thought that clip
before I played it, and yeah,

1894
02:03:10,680 --> 02:03:15,000
yes. Miss and can be carrying in
a perfect I mean, yeah, Miss and

1895
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:20,850
can be Karen a perfect example
is that is Rachel Nichols. And

1896
02:03:20,850 --> 02:03:24,960
that whole thing going over
there, ESPN. See she was

1897
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:29,040
surrounded herself around
blackness. And she was the queen

1898
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:32,760
bee. But then when it started to
affect her in her pocket, she

1899
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,060
went straight, Karen, saying,
you know, their diversity hires.

1900
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:41,700
Right. So is, is the, as long as
I'm comfortable with it, I'll

1901
02:03:41,700 --> 02:03:46,260
allow you to be when it gets
uncomfortable for me, then I'll

1902
02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:49,080
you know, I'll complain about
it. And that's the problem.

1903
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:50,700
We're going Whoa, because

1904
02:03:52,410 --> 02:03:55,230
eventually the noodle gun comes
out, the cancel cannon hits you

1905
02:03:55,230 --> 02:03:58,410
if you're not careful, right,
because it's a form of

1906
02:03:58,410 --> 02:04:01,380
consumption. So, it is by more
and more and more, you know, how

1907
02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:07,050
can you never can be, your level
of conspicuousness needs to go

1908
02:04:07,050 --> 02:04:10,890
to you know, something is
unachievable. So, it's never

1909
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:14,400
enough. You had to be okay with
losing her job. Now, what she

1910
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:18,390
said is what she said, um, but
we're starting to see how these

1911
02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:20,730
people and you wish she would
consider herself a liberal.

1912
02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:25,470
And all the things she that was
liberal, when it starts to

1913
02:04:25,470 --> 02:04:28,620
affect her pocketbook, you see,
come see a different reaction

1914
02:04:28,620 --> 02:04:31,680
with her choosing blackness over
whiteness, that is being you

1915
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:37,140
know, being conspicuous,
cautious. So I think we stopped

1916
02:04:37,140 --> 02:04:40,230
at two, let's go and get into
number three. And every one of

1917
02:04:40,230 --> 02:04:44,040
them believed that they could,
in essence, volunteer for

1918
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:48,120
blackness, each of these white
women was in black Harlem, or

1919
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:52,710
writing about black Harlem, in
an effort, essentially to say,

1920
02:04:52,710 --> 02:04:56,880
sign me up. I want to be black
too. This was an idea that was

1921
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,970
very pioneering in the 1920s.
And they all share

1922
02:05:00,930 --> 02:05:04,320
They were all also they were
rule breakers. Absolutely in the

1923
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:08,730
rule. Yeah. They tended to lead
with their passions. Yeah. They

1924
02:05:08,730 --> 02:05:10,740
were committed to fair play.

1925
02:05:12,450 --> 02:05:14,130
They and they want to escape

1926
02:05:15,269 --> 02:05:16,079
the routine,

1927
02:05:17,220 --> 02:05:22,050
I guess white middle class or
upper middle class womanhood and

1928
02:05:22,050 --> 02:05:23,730
often Africans that sat.

1929
02:05:24,810 --> 02:05:27,300
And they also wanted we're
looking for a sense of purpose

1930
02:05:27,330 --> 02:05:28,500
is my sense.

1931
02:05:30,990 --> 02:05:36,300
And that's that's where the rub
comes in. My existence is not an

1932
02:05:36,300 --> 02:05:41,670
escape for you. You can't
volunteer for blackness. Now you

1933
02:05:41,670 --> 02:05:46,170
could be an ally. But because of
the reason when if you're

1934
02:05:46,170 --> 02:05:48,570
volunteering for it, you always
can, you know,

1935
02:05:49,620 --> 02:05:51,570
revert back, hold on a second.

1936
02:05:53,820 --> 02:05:57,660
Let's just look at it from
another from another angle. If,

1937
02:05:58,050 --> 02:06:03,060
at the time, the white woman's
life was so stifling for her,

1938
02:06:03,090 --> 02:06:06,360
because it wasn't like white
women were all that much freer.

1939
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:10,230
Certainly it mean, there was a
lot of restrictions on women in

1940
02:06:10,230 --> 02:06:16,200
the 1920s. Still, and to let
loose, to just feel like oh my

1941
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:22,680
god, I mean, something else.
They found this in, in jazz,

1942
02:06:22,980 --> 02:06:25,740
dance, roaring Harlem.

1943
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:34,110
That's not necessary. I wouldn't
say that's necessarily mean. I

1944
02:06:34,770 --> 02:06:38,580
miss you. Cuz you see the wait,
no, I know what you said is it's

1945
02:06:38,580 --> 02:06:42,540
not it's not okay to use
blackness to let loose. But, you

1946
02:06:42,540 --> 02:06:46,980
know, people do you know, go
fishing to let loose. It's like

1947
02:06:46,980 --> 02:06:49,140
there's a whole bunch of people
do a lot of things. Certainly

1948
02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:51,450
when it comes to alcohol and
drugs. And if it's available

1949
02:06:51,450 --> 02:06:55,410
somewhere, you know, that's why
you see white crackheads with

1950
02:06:55,410 --> 02:06:57,960
black crackheads, you know,
right? It's it. I don't think

1951
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,320
that's necessarily taking
advantage of blackness. And what

1952
02:07:01,350 --> 02:07:05,340
what, what I'm saying about
blackness is not enjoying the

1953
02:07:05,340 --> 02:07:08,670
culture. That's not what I mean,
when i'm saying is you actually

1954
02:07:08,670 --> 02:07:13,650
try to be black. So you can
never be that I mean, you can

1955
02:07:13,650 --> 02:07:17,040
never fully experienced it.
That's just like, if I today

1956
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,790
wanted to transition to a woman,
I can never ever fully

1957
02:07:20,820 --> 02:07:24,240
experience the fullness of a
woman. I don't care how much it

1958
02:07:24,450 --> 02:07:27,660
I try, right. There's certain
things that I will never be able

1959
02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:32,340
to experience. And if I'm coming
in a place if that's how I truly

1960
02:07:32,340 --> 02:07:37,140
feel, that's one thing. But as
the light color, Caplin says it

1961
02:07:37,140 --> 02:07:42,150
was a form of escapism. So that
knowledge I always say is this,

1962
02:07:42,150 --> 02:07:45,270
say you have women in your
kitchen cooking, and you're

1963
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:48,540
like, you know what, this
pathway stuff hot? Well, this

1964
02:07:48,540 --> 02:07:51,330
living in this house is boring.
Let me come in there and cook

1965
02:07:51,330 --> 02:07:54,840
with you for a minute. Like, you
have the option of coming here

1966
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,930
and cook. And when you get
tired, you can go and sit back

1967
02:07:57,930 --> 02:08:01,830
in your living room and drink a
nice classic cuckoo nominate.

1968
02:08:02,220 --> 02:08:04,260
I'm here because of these are
the

1969
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:06,660
the circumstances.

1970
02:08:07,740 --> 02:08:09,990
Right? And that's what that's
what I'm just saying you can't.

1971
02:08:10,620 --> 02:08:14,370
And then. And I'll say this, you
can't volunteer for another

1972
02:08:14,370 --> 02:08:19,140
person's culture. You just can't
unless you completely embrace

1973
02:08:19,140 --> 02:08:23,700
it. Now, for instance, say if
you want to, you see this right?

1974
02:08:23,700 --> 02:08:27,240
Well, maybe Americans will not.
That's just being disingenuous,

1975
02:08:27,270 --> 02:08:30,450
you know, if someone's Oh, I
like Rachel dollars off. You

1976
02:08:30,450 --> 02:08:34,830
know, that's just dish
ingenuity. Well, I don't know.

1977
02:08:34,860 --> 02:08:37,980
I'll see. Right, your dollars
out is different. So you met,

1978
02:08:38,130 --> 02:08:42,270
she fully embraced it. Let's say
she was living as a black woman.

1979
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:45,900
I mean, legally. So all the
things that came with it,

1980
02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:50,850
whereas she would be but she
didn't matter it but she didn't

1981
02:08:50,910 --> 02:08:53,790
live that through her formative
years. She decided that all of a

1982
02:08:53,790 --> 02:08:57,630
sudden later in life, right? But
she said everything that came

1983
02:08:57,630 --> 02:09:02,040
with it. She was saying like I
mean she and it was it is very

1984
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:06,390
it's a very new it's kind of
like reverse passing.

1985
02:09:07,530 --> 02:09:10,080
We're gonna get into that but I
don't want to stress it.

1986
02:09:11,190 --> 02:09:13,920
I say this let's get into the
Miss and how they operate it

1987
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,080
because I'm I'm speaking from a
place of

1988
02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:19,860
knowing how this plays out.

1989
02:09:22,410 --> 02:09:24,450
I want you to hear it and then
you'll see what I'm talking

1990
02:09:24,450 --> 02:09:29,040
about. Fair enough. Being being
a and just experiencing the

1991
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:34,290
different. Charlotte Osgood
Mason, very different type of

1992
02:09:35,010 --> 02:09:38,190
very different Miss and tell us
about her and much older This is

1993
02:09:38,190 --> 02:09:40,830
in part a book about two
generations of white women who

1994
02:09:40,830 --> 02:09:44,460
became involved in black Harlem
an older generation, which

1995
02:09:44,490 --> 02:09:47,910
Charlotte Osgood Mason, in many
ways, exemplifies and a younger

1996
02:09:47,910 --> 02:09:52,470
generation now Mason, like
Skylar was involved in black

1997
02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:55,440
politics partly for her own
reasons. Again, she wanted a

1998
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:58,980
wider social sphere. She wanted
to make a difference. But

1999
02:09:58,980 --> 02:09:59,970
Charlotte Osgood may

2000
02:10:00,450 --> 02:10:02,670
She is one of the most
complicated figures in this

2001
02:10:02,670 --> 02:10:07,830
book. She believes and I quote
her now that she is a black God.

2002
02:10:08,190 --> 02:10:11,490
She also thought she was the
world psychic physician, her

2003
02:10:11,490 --> 02:10:15,450
husband had been a famous
spiritualist, and she believes

2004
02:10:15,450 --> 02:10:19,710
that certain people, they have
to be very special people can

2005
02:10:19,710 --> 02:10:23,580
channel psychic vibrations, and
she believes she can do that so

2006
02:10:23,580 --> 02:10:27,210
effectively, that she can heal
the world. She's also a

2007
02:10:27,210 --> 02:10:31,980
primitive as she believes that
American white mainstream

2008
02:10:31,980 --> 02:10:36,510
Western culture is played out
washed out dried out depleted.

2009
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:41,130
And the way it can be healed is
to channel primitive energies,

2010
02:10:41,310 --> 02:10:45,450
the energies of so called
childlike people like Native

2011
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:49,920
American native African.
Exactly. So what she sets out to

2012
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:54,180
do very deliberately, she is
going to build a bridge from

2013
02:10:54,180 --> 02:10:58,620
primitive Africa to washed out
America and the bridge is going

2014
02:10:58,620 --> 02:11:01,770
to be through black Harlem.
Okay, that's different.

2015
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:08,880
It is not it okay. If you really
wanted to live it, you will give

2016
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:13,770
up all your personal possessions
and start out at the bottom

2017
02:11:13,770 --> 02:11:18,210
right? If you really want to
live it. Yeah. Right. But it's

2018
02:11:18,270 --> 02:11:20,820
no I want to come in as a black
God

2019
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:25,500
for you primitive people, cuz
I'm here to be your Savior.

2020
02:11:25,530 --> 02:11:28,980
Yeah, it's a total different
thing is I want to bring my

2021
02:11:28,980 --> 02:11:33,000
privilege in and maintain
status, higher status in your

2022
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:36,780
culture. It's my privilege
benefits me. Is that also a

2023
02:11:36,780 --> 02:11:38,850
little bit what record companies
do these days?

2024
02:11:40,710 --> 02:11:45,720
Also, a hip hop record record
company, then look, who buys?

2025
02:11:47,070 --> 02:11:50,730
Who buys Megan, the stallion
records is white girls. Right?

2026
02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:54,330
So they want to they want to
experience through through the

2027
02:11:54,330 --> 02:11:59,370
music? Yes, it comes from a
deep, long history kind of.

2028
02:12:01,170 --> 02:12:04,110
Yeah, and it's like the AV
accurate African American

2029
02:12:04,590 --> 02:12:05,460
vernacular.

2030
02:12:06,750 --> 02:12:11,580
Same thing is, I can pick this
up and put it down whenever I

2031
02:12:11,580 --> 02:12:15,420
want to. Right? It's not it's
like a it's a it's a it's

2032
02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:23,820
it's by choice. Nobody wants to
be on the bottom by choice. So

2033
02:12:23,820 --> 02:12:27,810
that's where it would never
align. And she comes in. And her

2034
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:31,350
perspective is black people are
primitive, they're childlike.

2035
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:36,240
And she has to be their Savior.
The only thing that bothers me

2036
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:41,280
about this particular topic.
Sure, I have it myself. It's so

2037
02:12:41,490 --> 02:12:44,490
when I'm talking to you, and you
know, calling code switching

2038
02:12:44,490 --> 02:12:45,540
whatever you want it to be.

2039
02:12:46,770 --> 02:12:51,720
I, I look, I talked to Dvorak in
a certain way I talked to other

2040
02:12:51,720 --> 02:12:55,920
Friday, talk to good old boys
here a certain way, then call it

2041
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:57,240
code switching, whatever.

2042
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:03,450
But it becomes complicated for
me personally, when you say you

2043
02:13:03,450 --> 02:13:05,670
can just pick it up and put it
down whenever you want. So if

2044
02:13:05,670 --> 02:13:08,880
I'm like, if I send you an
emoji, that's a man, that's 100,

2045
02:13:09,060 --> 02:13:12,330
I'm, I literally do that to no
one else. No, no, no, no, no, I

2046
02:13:12,330 --> 02:13:16,650
think we're, what I'm talking
about is pick it up, let's like,

2047
02:13:16,980 --> 02:13:19,470
say, for instance, is this
because I go to a Thai

2048
02:13:19,470 --> 02:13:24,390
restaurant and enjoy Thai food
doesn't make me part trying to

2049
02:13:24,420 --> 02:13:28,980
participate in their culture, I
produce and I enjoy what they

2050
02:13:28,980 --> 02:13:31,740
provide to that you're saying,
and I want to get killed for

2051
02:13:31,740 --> 02:13:34,230
this, but the melting pot of
America right? And with what we

2052
02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:37,350
kind of do we exchange different
things, right? Sure.

2053
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:42,960
You know, like white music, you
know, if you listen to white

2054
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,180
music, that mean you want to be
white, right? That kind of

2055
02:13:45,180 --> 02:13:50,160
thing, is a difference when you
try to embed yourself into a

2056
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:55,110
culture and say, Okay, I know
what's best for you all. It's

2057
02:13:55,110 --> 02:13:57,990
like you're going out now you're
saying you know what? I know

2058
02:13:57,990 --> 02:14:00,360
what's best for everyone. You
know, in the black community,

2059
02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:03,900
that kind of thing. You come in
a place of learning to say,

2060
02:14:03,930 --> 02:14:06,180
Okay, how can I understand
that's like see, first

2061
02:14:06,180 --> 02:14:10,080
understand and to be understood
what these people came in with.

2062
02:14:10,290 --> 02:14:13,140
I know how to fix their
problems. I'm born wild man. So

2063
02:14:13,140 --> 02:14:15,450
it's a win win. Got it? You've

2064
02:14:18,180 --> 02:14:21,030
been just so you know, it's
incredibly uncomfortable for me

2065
02:14:21,030 --> 02:14:24,360
to be myself because I know if
if one of my stepdaughters

2066
02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:27,270
caught me doing that with you.
She goes apeshit over it.

2067
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:32,880
But why? I mean, that's, that's
it? Well, yes. Thank you. Why,

2068
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:37,710
exactly. Just letting you know,
I self censor myself in these

2069
02:14:37,710 --> 02:14:41,280
situations, which is an income
power of the youth movement.

2070
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:44,430
Going back to why they start
with the kids because the kids

2071
02:14:44,430 --> 02:14:48,240
shame the parents into whatever
the mass media thinks he's

2072
02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:52,290
doing. You're saying acceptable,
whatever they deem acceptable

2073
02:14:52,290 --> 02:14:54,570
with the children set that
standard now, it's COMPLETE

2074
02:14:54,570 --> 02:14:57,720
REVERSE world, where the parents
usually set what the standard

2075
02:14:59,010 --> 02:15:00,000
is the completely opposite.

2076
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,390
No. And I would wager that's
because the kids are much more

2077
02:15:03,390 --> 02:15:07,200
savvy. They the parents used to
control the television, the kids

2078
02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:08,340
control the internet.

2079
02:15:09,809 --> 02:15:13,529
Right for now. Yeah. For now, of
course, for now, I mean, I mean,

2080
02:15:13,529 --> 02:15:16,349
that's the thing. I mean, just
like with television, the kids

2081
02:15:16,349 --> 02:15:19,289
had the free time to watch
television. But once you know,

2082
02:15:19,289 --> 02:15:21,569
if we got figured out, it's
like, Hey, we need to take

2083
02:15:21,569 --> 02:15:24,029
control over this, then adults
come in the room. Yeah. So I

2084
02:15:24,029 --> 02:15:26,489
mean, it's just that Mr.
maturation process. And I'm not

2085
02:15:26,489 --> 02:15:30,359
saying all miss ads are bad, or
people that try to come to the

2086
02:15:30,359 --> 02:15:32,969
community to help because I want
to talk about we're gonna go

2087
02:15:32,969 --> 02:15:37,919
back to show 52 and talk about
Mary Ann Wilson, and how she

2088
02:15:37,919 --> 02:15:40,859
talked about reparations on
debate stage. This is part of

2089
02:15:40,859 --> 02:15:46,259
the dark underbelly of American
society, racism, bigotry, and

2090
02:15:46,259 --> 02:15:49,019
the entire conversation that
we're having here tonight. If

2091
02:15:49,019 --> 02:15:52,229
you think any of this wonkiness
is going to deal with this dark

2092
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:55,109
Psychic Force of the
collectivized hatred that this

2093
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:58,349
President is bringing up in this
country, that I'm afraid that

2094
02:15:58,349 --> 02:16:00,929
the democrats are going to see
some very dark days. And the

2095
02:16:00,929 --> 02:16:04,349
underlying cause has to do with
deep, deep, deep realms of

2096
02:16:04,349 --> 02:16:07,469
racial injustice, both in our
criminal justice system and in

2097
02:16:07,469 --> 02:16:10,709
our economic system. And the
democratic party should be on

2098
02:16:10,709 --> 02:16:14,309
the side of reparations for
slavery for this very reason.

2099
02:16:14,519 --> 02:16:17,459
You have been at the forefront
of the discussion of reparation,

2100
02:16:17,459 --> 02:16:20,969
we're almost out of time, can
you just give me a two seconds,

2101
02:16:21,149 --> 02:16:25,829
I want to make America and a
country is like an individual

2102
02:16:25,859 --> 02:16:29,039
you can't have the future you
want until you clean up the

2103
02:16:29,039 --> 02:16:29,819
past.

2104
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:35,520
So my point here, we want to
humanize these people, we never

2105
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:39,360
dehumanize people to say
everything they did was bad.

2106
02:16:39,660 --> 02:16:42,240
Just like Marianne Williamson, I
think she was coming from a

2107
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:47,580
place of good nature. Now the
thing is, I don't think that

2108
02:16:48,420 --> 02:16:50,970
people fully understand what
there

2109
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:57,780
is you too, are dabbling, but
what they're dealing with, you

2110
02:16:57,780 --> 02:16:59,460
know, when you start to

2111
02:17:01,740 --> 02:17:06,510
improperly try to patentees,
this complex problem, complex

2112
02:17:06,510 --> 02:17:07,770
situation, we call it race.

2113
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,490
No, it's just not as simple as
going down and marching.

2114
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:17,460
On Saturday. No, it's just like
most people, a BLM sign is not

2115
02:17:17,460 --> 02:17:20,760
going to fix it overnight. What
people think, well,

2116
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:25,380
conspicuously I've done my part,
or out of good faith, they can

2117
02:17:25,380 --> 02:17:29,550
say I've done my part. But it's
no, this if you really want if

2118
02:17:29,550 --> 02:17:32,220
you, you have the option not to
care.

2119
02:17:33,480 --> 02:17:36,420
I'm not saying people have to
care, but if you're gonna care,

2120
02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:41,610
actually come in. with
understanding and, and, and

2121
02:17:41,610 --> 02:17:45,960
being an ally. You hear these
words thrown around. But

2122
02:17:47,160 --> 02:17:49,200
a lot of people don't believe in
what they're doing.

2123
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,640
You kind of you feel what I'm
saying? Yes, of course, I do.

2124
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:59,190
And and at 56, I look back, I
would say, since I turned 50,

2125
02:17:59,190 --> 02:18:03,510
for sure. I look at a lot of
stuff like oh my god, I was so

2126
02:18:03,510 --> 02:18:07,710
stupid, what an idiot. And a lot
of people will grow up will

2127
02:18:07,710 --> 02:18:10,440
mature and come to have to come
to terms with what what they

2128
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:12,810
were a part of, and they will
probably feel pretty dumb.

2129
02:18:14,460 --> 02:18:15,120
We all do

2130
02:18:16,710 --> 02:18:19,710
this, especially as human nature
back and say, Man, if I knew

2131
02:18:19,710 --> 02:18:20,850
what I knew then now.

2132
02:18:21,900 --> 02:18:26,010
But what we have to understand
is like, Where are these? This

2133
02:18:26,010 --> 02:18:29,460
information comes from, and a
lot of it comes from outside

2134
02:18:29,460 --> 02:18:31,890
sources in our life. And that's
the whole point I'm trying to

2135
02:18:31,890 --> 02:18:35,040
point out here. And I just want
to show next, just continuing on

2136
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:40,710
what Marianne Williamson is,
when you dabble into things, you

2137
02:18:40,710 --> 02:18:46,020
may unconsciously unlock real
pain. Oh, yeah, I love this

2138
02:18:46,020 --> 02:18:50,580
clip. I know it's cry 24. We see
it today. And we even see it to

2139
02:18:50,580 --> 02:18:54,300
some extent in our own country,
very dangerously. So is when

2140
02:18:54,300 --> 02:18:57,960
hatred becomes a social and
political force. We must make

2141
02:18:57,960 --> 02:19:01,170
love a social and political
force. And that has to start

2142
02:19:01,170 --> 02:19:04,770
with us. So for those of you who
who would like to participate in

2143
02:19:04,770 --> 02:19:09,360
this, I'm going to now lead us
in an apology from white

2144
02:19:09,390 --> 02:19:14,460
Americans to African Americans
on behalf of our country, to you

2145
02:19:14,460 --> 02:19:18,480
and to your ancestors, and to
all of your people. So to the

2146
02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:22,500
African Americans in the room
who would wish and be willing to

2147
02:19:22,500 --> 02:19:24,450
participate in this please stand
up.

2148
02:19:30,330 --> 02:19:33,870
And now I'd like to ask why
Americans who are sitting are

2149
02:19:33,870 --> 02:19:39,480
near you to please stand up. And
if the African American citizen

2150
02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:42,150
would would be willing to allow
a white American who wishes to

2151
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:45,210
apologize to you and to partners
to hold your hands. Please

2152
02:19:45,210 --> 02:19:47,130
accept my apology this night.

2153
02:19:50,010 --> 02:19:52,560
It is for you and for your
grandparents

2154
02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:56,850
and their grandparents before
them

2155
02:19:58,350 --> 02:20:00,000
and their grandparents before

2156
02:20:42,900 --> 02:20:44,340
What if someone whispered to
you?

2157
02:20:46,440 --> 02:20:50,430
I love you and I heard I heard
something like black magic or

2158
02:20:50,430 --> 02:20:51,480
something. Oh,

2159
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:55,110
I wonder bring it up. I'm glad
you

2160
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:11,010
asked the black man to go I
couldn't I want a black man to

2161
02:21:11,010 --> 02:21:15,840
go over. And that is the epitome
of what I'm saying. Y'all a lot.

2162
02:21:16,110 --> 02:21:20,130
All this pain, all this hurt.
And then leaving for us to clean

2163
02:21:20,130 --> 02:21:20,310
up.

2164
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:23,280
It was a white woman who was
crying who was

2165
02:21:24,330 --> 02:21:27,360
black No, as a black woman,
black woman crying. So let me

2166
02:21:27,360 --> 02:21:30,000
just paint the picture. Yeah. Do
you have a black woman standing

2167
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,280
in the center and all these
white people like kind of

2168
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:35,280
putting the hands around her?
You're saying like, like, that

2169
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:38,760
is so powerful shit, man, you
have no idea what can happen

2170
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:42,180
when you channel energy like
that? That's my point. And then

2171
02:21:42,180 --> 02:21:43,200
witchcraft

2172
02:21:45,780 --> 02:21:51,510
is saying, I'm just saying what
my point is, with this clip is

2173
02:21:51,690 --> 02:21:55,290
you open that door to generation
after generation after

2174
02:21:55,290 --> 02:21:58,860
generation of pain. And it's
like, oh, well, what a black

2175
02:21:58,860 --> 02:22:00,030
man, a black man.

2176
02:22:02,820 --> 02:22:07,080
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That's this is what is the

2177
02:22:07,410 --> 02:22:11,640
microcosm of what the media is
doing with this massage Noir.

2178
02:22:12,060 --> 02:22:15,840
This pitting black men and black
women against each other. And

2179
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:19,290
they truly think they're
helping. I don't I don't. I

2180
02:22:19,350 --> 02:22:22,740
don't think there's some bad
actors. There's some good actors

2181
02:22:22,740 --> 02:22:25,290
and then some in the middle are
just like, Well, I think is

2182
02:22:25,290 --> 02:22:29,490
gonna help. I mean, let's open
that door. And then when it gets

2183
02:22:29,490 --> 02:22:33,270
too hairy, what's behind that
door? It's like, well, black

2184
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:35,280
man. Because you don't want

2185
02:22:36,660 --> 02:22:39,690
you don't want a white man over
cuz she might be triggered us

2186
02:22:39,690 --> 02:22:40,140
and.

2187
02:22:41,250 --> 02:22:46,440
And great case in point. I don't
want to belabor the point. But

2188
02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:50,430
Exactly. That's exactly my
point. And you had you open all

2189
02:22:50,430 --> 02:22:53,820
these doors in these channels.
For people. I think Mary and

2190
02:22:53,820 --> 02:22:55,980
Wilson were coming from a good
place. Some people might

2191
02:22:55,980 --> 02:22:59,370
disagree, disagree, of course. I
mean, it could be a win win for

2192
02:22:59,370 --> 02:23:02,610
her. You know that she brings up
these real topics that's going

2193
02:23:02,610 --> 02:23:07,620
on. But when you open that door,
are you ready? Are you really

2194
02:23:07,620 --> 02:23:08,340
ready?

2195
02:23:10,140 --> 02:23:12,240
For that repressed pain,

2196
02:23:13,800 --> 02:23:15,420
and anguish and

2197
02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:17,910
emotion that comes with it?

2198
02:23:20,580 --> 02:23:21,060
Well,

2199
02:23:22,740 --> 02:23:25,620
you are I gotta give you credit,
because you're still here after

2200
02:23:26,730 --> 02:23:28,260
63 episodes.

2201
02:23:29,610 --> 02:23:30,660
You didn't open the door.

2202
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:32,970
Let me let me Oh, well.

2203
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:38,460
You know, you actually show up,
and it's gonna be like Malcolm

2204
02:23:38,460 --> 02:23:41,220
said, I'm going to be offended.
You're going to be offended. But

2205
02:23:41,220 --> 02:23:43,890
guess what, we're gonna keep
pushing through. And that's

2206
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:48,720
actually doing the work of being
uncomfortable.

2207
02:23:49,860 --> 02:23:51,900
Yes, well, I love my country.

2208
02:23:54,090 --> 02:23:54,540
Sometimes,

2209
02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:58,590
but it's not his here to come
in, like the person standing in

2210
02:23:58,590 --> 02:24:01,770
that white fragility. But your
back come here for three hours

2211
02:24:01,770 --> 02:24:04,230
for I would say your bad Adam.
And that's why you're bad. I'll

2212
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:06,600
miss while you're but you're
saying it's like, Okay. Oh,

2213
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:10,500
yeah, but I don't Yeah, exactly.
Well, I come here because I love

2214
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:13,770
my country. I want to understand
it better. Because I love my

2215
02:24:13,770 --> 02:24:18,450
country. I love you. And I want
to make it better if I can. But

2216
02:24:18,450 --> 02:24:20,580
I can't do anything if I don't
understand.

2217
02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:25,440
And what they should have done
was I okay, let a white person a

2218
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:29,040
black person out and have a real
conversation. Instead of going

2219
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:33,210
this psychic happening to the
energy man. I mean, that's very

2220
02:24:33,210 --> 02:24:36,420
dangerous. And I mean, I'm
saying that from a therapy

2221
02:24:36,420 --> 02:24:40,260
standpoint, you just can't jump
into somebody and say, hey,

2222
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:45,990
go to your darkest place. You
know, and therapy so I'm just

2223
02:24:46,020 --> 02:24:46,440
okay.

2224
02:24:47,670 --> 02:24:52,140
with hands on with hands on that
can be really I've done some

2225
02:24:52,140 --> 02:24:54,960
therapy can be really intense.
Right.

2226
02:24:56,280 --> 02:24:59,790
So I guess we go back to me, I
just want to paint the picture

2227
02:24:59,790 --> 02:24:59,970
of

2228
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,140
Modern day Mrs. Anna how that
looks and humanize her like we I

2229
02:25:04,140 --> 02:25:06,360
mean, we like Marianne
Williamson we miss and she was

2230
02:25:06,360 --> 02:25:08,700
on the show. And we had her on
the show. I was at the for a

2231
02:25:08,700 --> 02:25:13,380
while there. I was a proponent
of her. what she's saying, is

2232
02:25:13,380 --> 02:25:16,500
some dark energy behind this.
And there's a lot of pain behind

2233
02:25:16,500 --> 02:25:20,580
this. It's very true. But you
just can't go and kick in open

2234
02:25:20,580 --> 02:25:25,290
doors. Unless you're ready. She
went. She was a little bold on

2235
02:25:25,290 --> 02:25:26,610
that one. It's like

2236
02:25:27,810 --> 02:25:31,620
yeah, and by the way, I think
that hurt her her presidential

2237
02:25:31,620 --> 02:25:33,090
run severely.

2238
02:25:34,350 --> 02:25:38,820
It did it may in India did well,
and that goes to show you that

2239
02:25:38,970 --> 02:25:41,160
academia looks at her like a
kook

2240
02:25:42,390 --> 02:25:47,310
many different ways, like wait a
while, while in reality, just by

2241
02:25:47,340 --> 02:25:51,180
speaking spirituality and
religion. We don't have to go

2242
02:25:51,180 --> 02:25:55,110
down the road of what she's what
she's doing here is much closer

2243
02:25:55,110 --> 02:26:01,080
to black America than than white
America in many aspects. That's

2244
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:04,380
correct. And let's get back with
Miss Anne and see the same

2245
02:26:04,380 --> 02:26:07,290
people like Charlotte Mason and
now we're talking

2246
02:26:08,820 --> 02:26:12,540
more about what she believed.
She is one of the most important

2247
02:26:12,540 --> 02:26:16,020
philanthropists of the Harlem
Renaissance, one of the most

2248
02:26:16,020 --> 02:26:20,580
important white underwriters of
black culture. But she does this

2249
02:26:20,580 --> 02:26:24,450
because she's going to heal
modernity by channeling black

2250
02:26:24,480 --> 02:26:28,110
energy. So she comes in with a
very sad agenda. On the other

2251
02:26:28,110 --> 02:26:32,370
hand, she has an enormous pocket
book. This woman has virtually

2252
02:26:32,370 --> 02:26:37,050
unlimited funds, and she has an
incredible eye for genius, and

2253
02:26:37,050 --> 02:26:40,680
she supports people like Sora
Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes,

2254
02:26:40,680 --> 02:26:45,060
did she also support financially
Alain Locke, she's very, almost

2255
02:26:45,060 --> 02:26:48,600
Okay, what did Alain Locke he
was the one who stays with her.

2256
02:26:49,470 --> 02:26:52,560
Right up basically until her
county Cullen was he had been

2257
02:26:52,650 --> 02:26:55,590
hounded Cohen was not a
particular beneficiary. Although

2258
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:58,200
she would have liked him to be
she went after all of the

2259
02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:00,570
geniuses of the Harlem
Renaissance and she recognized

2260
02:27:00,570 --> 02:27:04,290
their genius. This is enormously
meaningful to them. So Zora

2261
02:27:04,290 --> 02:27:06,900
Neale Hurston and Langston
Hughes and Alain Locke in

2262
02:27:06,900 --> 02:27:10,710
particular, were able to do much
of the cultural work they did

2263
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:13,920
because of her large mass of
courts, right. But while she was

2264
02:27:13,950 --> 02:27:16,680
very generous, she was she was
also monstrous, she was

2265
02:27:16,680 --> 02:27:20,070
demanding critical controlling
of her protegees

2266
02:27:21,930 --> 02:27:26,220
who they called her godmother
was that the term they call her

2267
02:27:26,220 --> 02:27:29,910
godmother, and she insisted on
being called godmother by them,

2268
02:27:29,910 --> 02:27:35,070
but also by the white protegees.
She was supporting. Hmm. Like

2269
02:27:35,070 --> 02:27:36,240
Fairy Godmother,

2270
02:27:37,440 --> 02:27:41,190
my godmother, godmother, but
this is my point. If you're

2271
02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:46,110
coming in to say, Okay, are you
here to give these people an

2272
02:27:46,140 --> 02:27:48,990
amplifier to their message? Are
you here to control?

2273
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:54,600
Yeah, yeah. Right. So I just
want to point that out that

2274
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:57,540
very few people give

2275
02:27:58,830 --> 02:28:03,390
their black understudy creative
control, you see, record labels

2276
02:28:03,420 --> 02:28:06,090
you that's why it's a
phenomenon. And let me just take

2277
02:28:06,090 --> 02:28:09,270
a quick aside, when like,
artists first come out their

2278
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:12,900
mixtapes and things be really
good. But once they get signed,

2279
02:28:13,170 --> 02:28:15,750
and you have to sit in that room
where you have 12 people who

2280
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:19,590
they're not tapping into the
culture, of deciding what songs

2281
02:28:19,590 --> 02:28:24,120
go on the album, they flop. Hmm.
Because this control is like,

2282
02:28:24,150 --> 02:28:25,050
Oh, this would be great.

2283
02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:28,260
This is okay, this is a catchy
tune, you know, that kind of

2284
02:28:28,260 --> 02:28:29,310
thing. Um,

2285
02:28:30,510 --> 02:28:33,780
but that's, that's that's just a
quick aside. So we see the

2286
02:28:33,780 --> 02:28:37,350
control matrix of Mrs. And Miss
Anne, excuse me.

2287
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,390
We're going to continue on with
another Miss and Fannie Hurst.

2288
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:49,140
Tell us about Fannie Hurst. My
least favorite. Fannie Hurst is

2289
02:28:49,170 --> 02:28:53,610
the character in this book who
most exemplifies for me, a white

2290
02:28:53,610 --> 02:28:57,420
woman who comes into Harlem
really for her own advantage and

2291
02:28:57,420 --> 02:29:02,430
truly for her own purposes. So
she is there principally to

2292
02:29:02,430 --> 02:29:06,330
write imitation of life, which
is I think most people know as a

2293
02:29:06,330 --> 02:29:09,690
movie rather than as a novel and
she's they are largely because

2294
02:29:09,690 --> 02:29:12,990
of her friendship with Zora
Neale Hurston always one of the

2295
02:29:12,990 --> 02:29:16,350
most uneven friendships in
American interracial literary

2296
02:29:16,350 --> 02:29:19,860
history. Really? Yeah, it was
always a friendship in which

2297
02:29:19,860 --> 02:29:24,150
Zora Neale Hurston called her
Miss Hearst lifelong, and Fanny

2298
02:29:24,180 --> 02:29:26,880
always called her as his aura
and Fanny Hearst was very

2299
02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:31,500
patronizing and her idea for
imitation of life was given to

2300
02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:35,310
her by Zora Neale Hurston on a
road trip. And Hearst is sitting

2301
02:29:35,310 --> 02:29:38,640
in the backseat while Hurston
drives the entire time she sits

2302
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:41,250
in the backseat like something
out of Driving Miss Daisy,

2303
02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:45,600
right. But it's Driving Miss
hearse. And the book was a

2304
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:50,820
blockbuster hit buster, but it
contains a lot of stereotypes

2305
02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:51,720
and a lot of

2306
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:59,970
black dialect and her friends in
in Harlem felt betrayed.

2307
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:03,360
buy the book. Well now it was a
blockbuster for white readers.

2308
02:30:03,360 --> 02:30:06,060
So I missed everything Fanny
Hearst did with a blockbuster. I

2309
02:30:06,060 --> 02:30:09,090
mean in terms of sales. We have
to remember Fanny Hearst was the

2310
02:30:09,090 --> 02:30:12,300
Stephen King of her day. She was
the best selling author of her

2311
02:30:12,300 --> 02:30:12,810
time.

2312
02:30:15,420 --> 02:30:18,660
So Fanny Hart comes in with Zora
Neale Hurston

2313
02:30:20,010 --> 02:30:23,250
Zora Neale Hurston again before
we launch into that. Now, did

2314
02:30:23,250 --> 02:30:25,410
you already know about Fannie
Hurst This is something you've

2315
02:30:25,410 --> 02:30:26,970
known about for years but this
part of the

2316
02:30:28,770 --> 02:30:31,920
rabbit hole all this is rabbit
hole. I mean, I knew of

2317
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:36,900
you always know about outside
money behind these movements. I

2318
02:30:36,900 --> 02:30:41,310
knew about a lane lock. But when
I started digging back more into

2319
02:30:41,310 --> 02:30:45,570
that lane lock, I mean this is
this is probably a year topic I

2320
02:30:45,570 --> 02:30:50,850
kind of earmarked to say who was
behind him. And this gives me a

2321
02:30:50,850 --> 02:30:55,590
perfect opportunity and backdrop
to discuss this to say

2322
02:30:57,090 --> 02:31:02,190
the same way Megan the stallion
is being steered. The same way

2323
02:31:02,220 --> 02:31:06,000
is back then they were being
steered the same way. Yes. And

2324
02:31:06,150 --> 02:31:10,410
Fanny had very close ties with
Eleanor Roosevelt. So she was

2325
02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:14,250
did not know that she was the hi
hi Illuminati,

2326
02:31:17,160 --> 02:31:21,510
white supremacy. And then on the
other side. Zora Neale Hurston

2327
02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:26,070
was very into the hoodoo and
Voodoo stuff. Yeah.

2328
02:31:27,210 --> 02:31:30,810
Like that out there. But it's
one point I want to point out.

2329
02:31:31,050 --> 02:31:36,420
Zora Neale Hurston gave Fannie
Fannie Hurst the idea for

2330
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:40,740
imitations of life and imitation
is alive well let's just get to

2331
02:31:40,740 --> 02:31:42,960
the trailing would discuss it
more after the clip

2332
02:31:54,750 --> 02:31:58,080
starring Lana Turner as the
great state and Star Lord

2333
02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:01,020
American men in her life. JOHN
gavel

2334
02:32:03,180 --> 02:32:04,110
down O'Hurley.

2335
02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:06,990
Robert Alden

2336
02:32:08,010 --> 02:32:10,530
dramatise club wants to eat and
sleep with you eat and sleep.

2337
02:32:11,190 --> 02:32:16,560
Disgusting it pays off. Her
daughter Sandra beef. Susan

2338
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:20,010
Connors was born to be hurt. I
didn't want to have to come

2339
02:32:20,010 --> 02:32:23,100
through back doors or feel lower
than other people or apologize.

2340
02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:25,140
My mother's because he can't
help

2341
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:31,560
but I can. Juanita more hers was
the shave the

2342
02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:38,250
bear Jay Johnson. You put your
coat on and Bambi uncomparable

2343
02:32:38,250 --> 02:32:39,360
my heel your Jackson

2344
02:32:48,900 --> 02:32:50,910
not asking you not to go down.
They're telling you.

2345
02:32:52,140 --> 02:32:54,510
What makes you think you have
that right? Because I love

2346
02:32:54,510 --> 02:32:55,080
yours. No, no, no.

2347
02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:57,270
No, Steve. I'm sorry.

2348
02:32:58,950 --> 02:33:03,450
All the kids talking behind my
back. Is it true? Are you black?

2349
02:33:08,520 --> 02:33:12,960
I'd like to hold you in my arms
once more. It was still my baby.

2350
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:14,670
Alright.

2351
02:33:17,790 --> 02:33:18,180
Bye.

2352
02:33:38,580 --> 02:33:42,990
This, that clip made me really
miss my mom, because she was

2353
02:33:42,990 --> 02:33:46,590
such a movie buff. And she would
always talk about Lana Turner

2354
02:33:46,590 --> 02:33:52,110
and Sandra Dee and I am sure she
would have had seen this movie

2355
02:33:52,110 --> 02:33:55,260
and would have she probably
would have said it was the

2356
02:33:55,260 --> 02:33:58,290
precursor to the switch movies.
Like big

2357
02:34:00,390 --> 02:34:05,070
like big or we were one of the
other ones. Where you we swap

2358
02:34:05,070 --> 02:34:07,560
places with someone in some
credulous way.

2359
02:34:09,420 --> 02:34:12,420
For me when you wake up your
parents are that you know Yeah,

2360
02:34:12,420 --> 02:34:15,210
exactly, exactly. Because this
was about passing. Correct.

2361
02:34:16,050 --> 02:34:19,710
Correct. And it was a little bit
more than that. So

2362
02:34:20,820 --> 02:34:24,870
this that was the trailer from
the 1959 movie. The original

2363
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:29,040
movie was made in 1934 off of
Fanny horse book.

2364
02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:34,260
So what we're gonna do now is go
back from the TMC network they

2365
02:34:34,260 --> 02:34:38,070
did a break down on the movie,
just the breakdown of characters

2366
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:41,700
before we do that be as the
white woman, Delilah is the

2367
02:34:41,700 --> 02:34:46,290
black woman which Delilah itself
is a funny name to us.

2368
02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:50,130
Because theater man you know the
implications with Samson and

2369
02:34:50,130 --> 02:34:51,000
taking the man down.

2370
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:57,690
The Hill Jesse is the black,
white daughter and appeal as the

2371
02:34:57,690 --> 02:34:59,970
black daughter that can easily
pass

2372
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,090
for White. So just to set that
out, let's go and get into 28

2373
02:35:04,890 --> 02:35:08,460
imitation of life ended up
having just this extraordinary

2374
02:35:08,610 --> 02:35:12,930
impact on the African American
community. Because it was really

2375
02:35:12,930 --> 02:35:17,700
the one Hollywood film of the
Depression era that suggested

2376
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:21,660
there was such a thing as a
contemporary race problem in

2377
02:35:21,660 --> 02:35:22,230
America

2378
02:35:26,370 --> 02:35:30,330
tells the story of two women, a
black woman and a white woman.

2379
02:35:33,030 --> 02:35:37,530
Each is without a husband. Each
has a young daughter to race. At

2380
02:35:37,530 --> 02:35:40,050
one point in the movie, the
black woman is preparing

2381
02:35:40,050 --> 02:35:43,830
breakfast for the white woman,
the white woman so impressed

2382
02:35:43,890 --> 02:35:47,400
with her pancakes tasted so
good. And all my life, how do

2383
02:35:47,400 --> 02:35:49,950
you make them fit the secret,
and it's going to die with

2384
02:35:49,950 --> 02:35:50,520
Delilah.

2385
02:35:52,530 --> 02:35:56,010
She gives the recipe to the
white woman, the white woman

2386
02:35:56,010 --> 02:36:00,750
eventually markets a mix based
on that recipe. And then in one

2387
02:36:00,750 --> 02:36:04,260
sequence that today is
unbelievable to us. The white

2388
02:36:04,260 --> 02:36:10,410
woman offers the black woman a
20% interest in the company.

2389
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,550
Well, of course, it's very kind
of the white woman, particularly

2390
02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:17,160
since without the black woman
there would have been no company

2391
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:21,180
whatsoever. Here to papers for
you to sign. But

2392
02:36:23,430 --> 02:36:27,300
then you'll have a 20% interest
in the Delilah cooperation, your

2393
02:36:28,350 --> 02:36:31,350
heartache comes to the two women
in imitation of life because of

2394
02:36:31,350 --> 02:36:35,790
their daughters. And for the
black woman. The great holiday

2395
02:36:35,790 --> 02:36:39,210
comes when her daughter decides
to cross the color line and pass

2396
02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:39,930
for White.

2397
02:36:40,950 --> 02:36:45,960
Wow, she's a Delilah. Delilah is
the black woman's name, right?

2398
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:52,110
recipe sequence you know the
pancake sequence? She's like,

2399
02:36:52,110 --> 02:36:54,000
No, I'm not saying that's my
secret. And then

2400
02:36:54,030 --> 02:36:55,620
instantaneously, she tells her

2401
02:36:56,910 --> 02:37:00,990
whispers in my ear. Yeah, the
secret is gonna die with her.

2402
02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:06,810
Wow, she B takes the pancake
mix, creates a

2403
02:37:08,160 --> 02:37:12,120
successful product out of her
recipe and then gives her 20%

2404
02:37:12,210 --> 02:37:12,630
Yeah.

2405
02:37:14,970 --> 02:37:17,880
I'm not sure that's good math.
But anyway, um,

2406
02:37:21,360 --> 02:37:25,410
but then the guy says that's
unbelievable. But I don't know

2407
02:37:25,410 --> 02:37:28,380
if he's being sarcastic. And he
also says kinds I don't know if

2408
02:37:28,380 --> 02:37:31,290
he's being sarcastic. She's
saying that.

2409
02:37:32,400 --> 02:37:35,190
Maybe she should have got more
or is it unbelievable that she

2410
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:38,880
gave her anything? I mean, it's
very mass how he said that? Not?

2411
02:37:39,210 --> 02:37:44,460
To me, I've listed a clip of her
time, but least 10 times. And I

2412
02:37:44,460 --> 02:37:48,720
can't quite pick on a mess.
Yeah. And just so we have a

2413
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:52,530
four. This is what we do and
don't do anywhere else. There's

2414
02:37:52,530 --> 02:37:56,730
a term in the black community.
It's called that's mighty wider

2415
02:37:56,730 --> 02:38:03,960
view. So it's us in between us
to say if somebody does

2416
02:38:03,960 --> 02:38:06,930
something for you that they
should do, but they try to make

2417
02:38:06,930 --> 02:38:11,760
a big deal out of it. What have
you just fought for disclosure?

2418
02:38:13,170 --> 02:38:18,960
This is what happened. So say
for instance, ah, okay, so I

2419
02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:22,440
borrow your car, right? And I'm
like, hey, Adam, I borrowed your

2420
02:38:22,440 --> 02:38:24,780
car and I put some gas in it.

2421
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:30,990
I'm like, this might be what he
was saying. Because you're

2422
02:38:30,990 --> 02:38:33,900
supposed to put gas that people
car in and say if you borrow it,

2423
02:38:33,930 --> 02:38:35,970
but I mean, just to give you
some, some

2424
02:38:36,990 --> 02:38:39,720
think that's what he was saying.
When he said that when he was

2425
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:43,260
being tongue in cheek about
that's kind of unbelievable. He

2426
02:38:43,260 --> 02:38:46,380
was saying that in a roundabout
way. Like, you should. It's her

2427
02:38:46,380 --> 02:38:49,530
recipe you should give her a
cut, or at least a half. Okay.

2428
02:38:50,220 --> 02:38:52,140
So I just want to I just want to
lay that out. You know,

2429
02:38:53,250 --> 02:38:56,370
there is not only about the
passing the passing a small

2430
02:38:56,370 --> 02:38:57,300
portion of the movie.

2431
02:38:58,320 --> 02:39:01,860
The bigger portion is the
business relationship between B

2432
02:39:01,860 --> 02:39:03,720
and Elia. Right

2433
02:39:05,220 --> 02:39:08,040
now, I'm just I'm just still
processing the mighty white.

2434
02:39:09,810 --> 02:39:10,770
That's actually new.

2435
02:39:12,360 --> 02:39:14,700
It's like basically, he

2436
02:39:16,050 --> 02:39:16,710
I understand, you

2437
02:39:17,820 --> 02:39:21,240
know, I understand it. I
understand it. I just hadn't

2438
02:39:21,240 --> 02:39:24,540
heard it. I've heard white
people I've heard in New York in

2439
02:39:24,540 --> 02:39:27,510
the in the late 80s. White
people go as mighty white have

2440
02:39:27,510 --> 02:39:30,390
you know, as what does that
mean? What does it mean? What is

2441
02:39:30,390 --> 02:39:33,900
exactly exactly what you just
said, but you But you just said

2442
02:39:33,900 --> 02:39:36,870
no, this is how we talk and we
say that's mighty YTV I didn't

2443
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:40,170
know that that was still going
on. That makes sense. I don't

2444
02:39:40,170 --> 02:39:42,510
know if people still use it. I
mean, but just my generation,

2445
02:39:42,540 --> 02:39:47,010
older generations we use it to
say like, you know, I

2446
02:39:47,010 --> 02:39:50,430
simultaneously I was trying to
think if if we have something

2447
02:39:50,430 --> 02:39:52,230
where we'd say something
equivalent, I don't think I

2448
02:39:52,230 --> 02:39:53,430
don't believe it's there.

2449
02:39:54,510 --> 02:39:55,740
I don't think so either.

2450
02:39:56,820 --> 02:39:57,900
When I say

2451
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:03,570
It's the same thing. Miss Anne
wants to be patted on her back.

2452
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:06,840
Oh, sure. What was the right
thing? I don't want to detract

2453
02:40:06,840 --> 02:40:09,540
from the flow. I'm just stopping
because I'm like, Huh, I didn't

2454
02:40:09,540 --> 02:40:09,780
know that.

2455
02:40:13,410 --> 02:40:17,880
they fully understand how he's
saying it, analyzing the movie.

2456
02:40:18,330 --> 02:40:20,460
And I think that's what he
wanted to say without actually

2457
02:40:20,460 --> 02:40:24,420
saying that term. He said, in a
roundabout way. And I just want

2458
02:40:24,420 --> 02:40:27,420
to stop you there for one
second, though. Anybody who is

2459
02:40:27,420 --> 02:40:31,470
listening to this, please show
me where the Bruce Springsteen,

2460
02:40:31,500 --> 02:40:35,790
Barack Obama podcast goes down
deep like this. Please show me

2461
02:40:35,790 --> 02:40:39,660
that. If you don't feel like you
can just boost us if you don't

2462
02:40:39,660 --> 02:40:43,560
feel like it, send us a boost.
It is that superficial? I

2463
02:40:43,560 --> 02:40:46,830
appreciate you so much, Moses.
Great. So let's just get into

2464
02:40:46,830 --> 02:40:54,030
29. The director john Stoll was
determined to find a white

2465
02:40:54,030 --> 02:40:58,290
looking black actress to play
this light skinned young black

2466
02:40:58,290 --> 02:41:01,710
woman, they turned her eyes in
New York City. And that's where

2467
02:41:01,740 --> 02:41:05,490
they solve Friday, Washington.
And Friday, Washington was known

2468
02:41:05,520 --> 02:41:10,080
as the girl with the boy's name,
the black girl with the green

2469
02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:16,170
eyes. The black girl who looked
quite early in her career, she

2470
02:41:16,170 --> 02:41:19,560
had been urged to pass for
white, but she would have a

2471
02:41:19,560 --> 02:41:24,270
chance at a big career and she
refused. She said, in essence,

2472
02:41:24,270 --> 02:41:28,830
she could never be anything
other than what she was. Freddy

2473
02:41:28,830 --> 02:41:34,590
Washington told me that the one
line in imitation of life that

2474
02:41:34,590 --> 02:41:38,220
she hated was the line when she
said that she wanted to be

2475
02:41:38,280 --> 02:41:38,730
white.

2476
02:41:40,260 --> 02:41:41,280
What's my baby?

2477
02:41:48,210 --> 02:41:53,550
And prairie Washington said that
the character she felt didn't

2478
02:41:53,550 --> 02:41:58,110
want to be white for the sake of
whiteness, she wanted to be

2479
02:41:58,110 --> 02:42:03,780
white to have the same chances
that everybody else in that

2480
02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:06,210
house was going to have.

2481
02:42:08,670 --> 02:42:13,050
On the one hand, the black
audience really did pick up on

2482
02:42:13,050 --> 02:42:17,010
the thing that she wanted wide
opportunities, and that they

2483
02:42:17,010 --> 02:42:22,110
could understand and connect to.
But the audience could not

2484
02:42:22,110 --> 02:42:24,690
accept her rejection of her
mother. And in essence, her

2485
02:42:24,690 --> 02:42:25,800
rejection of her culture.

2486
02:42:27,240 --> 02:42:29,970
Oh, this Oprah narrating right

2487
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,210
now, sounds like Oprah.

2488
02:42:34,440 --> 02:42:38,010
That sounds like Oprah, whoever
that guy is. He's got a careers

2489
02:42:38,040 --> 02:42:42,450
of sounding like Oprah. What
this is the point while singing

2490
02:42:42,450 --> 02:42:47,730
about Miss Anne? And why it's
like, if you her like the black

2491
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:53,940
audience was, how can you give
up? Only your mother? Right?

2492
02:42:54,390 --> 02:42:59,130
Right. Like that's a real, like,
how can you give up your culture

2493
02:42:59,130 --> 02:43:03,090
and your color? That's a real,
that's a tall order. So when we

2494
02:43:03,090 --> 02:43:06,540
see people volunteering for
blackness in like the midst, and

2495
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:09,720
they're looked at the same way,
but just you're saying the

2496
02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:13,410
opposite way, but how can you
give up whiteness or your your

2497
02:43:13,410 --> 02:43:18,330
family or your I mean, this,
this was a built in distrust.

2498
02:43:19,050 --> 02:43:22,200
When you have people dealing
like that. It's like, Hold on,

2499
02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:25,380
wait, wait, wait, wait, you're
gonna turn on your own family.

2500
02:43:25,950 --> 02:43:29,310
And that's where the term race
traitor comes in. It's like,

2501
02:43:29,850 --> 02:43:30,540
Whoa, right?

2502
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:32,670
Even though it's right.

2503
02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:41,220
You returned on your own family
didn't I think underneath your

2504
02:43:41,220 --> 02:43:44,340
family, right? So you could
easily turn on me? Mm hmm. So

2505
02:43:44,340 --> 02:43:47,640
that's why it's this weird
sentence, this weird

2506
02:43:47,640 --> 02:43:50,100
relationship when you talk about
and we all know race doesn't

2507
02:43:50,100 --> 02:43:54,150
exist in the form of actually
being a real thing. It's, it's a

2508
02:43:54,420 --> 02:43:59,880
sense of legality. And that's
where white versus whiteness

2509
02:43:59,880 --> 02:44:00,420
comes in.

2510
02:44:01,770 --> 02:44:04,590
People get degrees because they
want to experience white and not

2511
02:44:04,590 --> 02:44:05,130
be white.

2512
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:10,920
And what I mean by white is,
we've talked about this no

2513
02:44:10,920 --> 02:44:12,690
nothing and no CBOE effect.

2514
02:44:14,850 --> 02:44:17,460
We wear masks because we want
to,

2515
02:44:19,380 --> 02:44:25,920
you know, fit in and not be seen
as political right. And it's

2516
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:28,470
like, you know, not wearing a
mask has a certain political

2517
02:44:28,470 --> 02:44:31,020
connotation to it. Right? And
it's just like, I just want to

2518
02:44:31,020 --> 02:44:34,140
go out to the store and not be
looked at funny. So we put the

2519
02:44:34,140 --> 02:44:37,200
mask on. You can understand
we're saying is that whiteness

2520
02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:41,580
is the same way. I think I told
you about my experience, going

2521
02:44:41,580 --> 02:44:47,520
to the to Whole Foods a couple
of months ago and deciding I'm

2522
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:50,790
tired of it. I'm going in
without a mask. Bright and I

2523
02:44:50,790 --> 02:44:53,460
talked I talked to you about
this. Yeah, I think we talked

2524
02:44:53,460 --> 02:44:56,790
about it. Not that this was a
sample but I think we talked

2525
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:59,970
about another experience. Oh
well, we share so just

2526
02:45:00,510 --> 02:45:03,660
Now, you know, because I was
like I'm gonna walk in, you'll

2527
02:45:03,660 --> 02:45:06,480
see what happens. I got a mask
in my back pocket so I can

2528
02:45:06,480 --> 02:45:09,810
always you know, bureau
compliant if I have to. But the

2529
02:45:09,810 --> 02:45:13,680
whole ride 20 minute ride. I was
thinking about it like, how will

2530
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:16,950
people look at me strange. And I
thought this may be the closest

2531
02:45:16,950 --> 02:45:20,730
I could ever come to feeling how
most sometimes may have felt or

2532
02:45:20,730 --> 02:45:23,250
may still feel in certain
situations.

2533
02:45:24,840 --> 02:45:28,320
Yeah, and that's, that's my
point is when you have to think

2534
02:45:28,320 --> 02:45:31,980
about it a that's That's it?
That's it. That's all working

2535
02:45:32,010 --> 02:45:35,250
right there. Right? No, I
totally agree. And it was the

2536
02:45:35,250 --> 02:45:39,120
first time that I really
recognize like, Oh, this is

2537
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:42,240
probably close to kind of what
it feels like, not in an actual

2538
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:45,630
situation, but just having to
think about it on your way to a

2539
02:45:45,630 --> 02:45:51,600
certain situation. And that mask
in your back pocket was the PhD.

2540
02:45:52,380 --> 02:45:53,850
That's why I called it Oh,
sleep.

2541
02:45:56,250 --> 02:46:00,750
I have no problem as good as a
good black man. You know, you're

2542
02:46:00,750 --> 02:46:02,970
still saying that's that mask?

2543
02:46:04,320 --> 02:46:10,920
Yes, yes. It shouldn't have to
be that way. But it is that way.

2544
02:46:11,070 --> 02:46:16,860
If you prescribe to know the
racial narrative. Now what I do

2545
02:46:16,860 --> 02:46:21,900
is I move about freely. Uh, you
know, you get to you, I'm sure

2546
02:46:21,900 --> 02:46:24,000
you've gotten to the point now
where it's I don't give a rat's

2547
02:46:24,000 --> 02:46:26,790
ass about where I'm asking now
you're saying Mr. might say

2548
02:46:26,790 --> 02:46:29,370
something to me that we had to
deal with? If you got to that

2549
02:46:29,370 --> 02:46:33,540
point. It was it was it was
during that first experience

2550
02:46:33,540 --> 02:46:37,740
when no one looked at me. No one
cared no stink. I was very

2551
02:46:37,740 --> 02:46:40,860
surprised. There was only one
other person not wearing a mask.

2552
02:46:40,950 --> 02:46:43,920
Once I'd gone through that
experience. And I had it for my

2553
02:46:43,980 --> 02:46:47,340
from my feeling a good
experience. Like, okay, now I

2554
02:46:47,340 --> 02:46:51,090
don't care anymore. Now imagine
that being hard baked Dan for

2555
02:46:51,090 --> 02:46:55,050
all your life. This is why bring
it on the course. Of course.

2556
02:46:55,050 --> 02:46:59,730
That's why I bring it up. I say
it for my for my fellow fellow

2557
02:46:59,730 --> 02:47:00,540
white people.

2558
02:47:01,590 --> 02:47:05,400
That was a very interesting
experience for me. So now you

2559
02:47:05,400 --> 02:47:09,810
can understand how seductive
passing is. A couple yes is

2560
02:47:09,810 --> 02:47:14,580
Yeah, just go back. Zora Neale
Hurston was fair skin. Now she

2561
02:47:14,580 --> 02:47:18,210
wasn't fair enough to pass which
I think has to be the most

2562
02:47:18,210 --> 02:47:23,460
tortured way to be because
you're never be accepted fully

2563
02:47:23,460 --> 02:47:27,150
because the POV soon as you have
privileged country lights in and

2564
02:47:27,150 --> 02:47:29,820
you're never be accepted in
whiteness, but you're so close.

2565
02:47:30,270 --> 02:47:32,910
So I think that's part of where
this movie came from. Cuz she

2566
02:47:32,940 --> 02:47:36,390
gave the story to Fannie Hurst.
And the other part is with the

2567
02:47:36,390 --> 02:47:41,070
pancake recipe. Yeah, she's like
Fanny, I gave you this story.

2568
02:47:41,520 --> 02:47:45,180
And I'll show she this this is
art playing out playing his way

2569
02:47:45,180 --> 02:47:47,550
out on the screen real life
playing his way out was really

2570
02:47:47,550 --> 02:47:51,360
hard. Mm hmm. The relationship
between Zora Neale Hurston and

2571
02:47:51,360 --> 02:47:54,330
Fanny Hearst because like, I'll
use gonna take my pancake recipe

2572
02:47:54,330 --> 02:47:59,280
and give me 20% she got that you
see, I gave you the recipe. I

2573
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:01,680
just don't have the
infrastructure to you know, to

2574
02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:05,070
make it a company. Alright, so
let's be real here. Mo for a

2575
02:48:05,070 --> 02:48:08,310
second. Yes, sure. So when we
first started doing this

2576
02:48:08,310 --> 02:48:12,120
podcast, how long did it take
before you finally how many

2577
02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:15,690
episodes before you said okay,
Curry's on the up and up. How

2578
02:48:15,690 --> 02:48:19,170
can a trucking and create
control the content or any of

2579
02:48:19,170 --> 02:48:19,590
that?

2580
02:48:21,180 --> 02:48:24,660
The day one when you didn't have
a give me any expectations? That

2581
02:48:24,660 --> 02:48:27,270
can't be like I was gonna sound
talk. Okay.

2582
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:32,730
Because there was no And I mean,
just for for clarity. I mean, we

2583
02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:36,450
have a gentlemen's agreement
that we split when we make Yep,

2584
02:48:36,600 --> 02:48:40,800
you know, and that's that that's
what it is. And it was, let's

2585
02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:47,280
see, if you lay it out up front.
And you say if Bay with baby

2586
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:49,710
would have said to Delilah, you
know what, this kid pancake

2587
02:48:49,890 --> 02:48:53,190
recipe? I could do something
with it. You know, how you feel

2588
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:57,330
about 20%? You know, the
business? If the lightly sizing

2589
02:48:57,360 --> 02:49:00,480
I have no problem with it,
right? But it came back? Yeah.

2590
02:49:00,540 --> 02:49:04,110
After the fact he's like now
that you haven't gone. Roll me

2591
02:49:04,110 --> 02:49:07,530
is like, oh, now we got to talk
numbers. So I mean, just we

2592
02:49:07,530 --> 02:49:11,220
breaking the fourth wall again,
but I'm just saying this is it's

2593
02:49:11,220 --> 02:49:15,870
very it's a very fluid situation
when you talk about race because

2594
02:49:15,870 --> 02:49:19,290
all these things are baked in.
You see all the artists that die

2595
02:49:19,290 --> 02:49:22,920
bro, you see all the athletes
that die, bro and you wonder

2596
02:49:22,920 --> 02:49:24,180
like, How did this happen?

2597
02:49:26,670 --> 02:49:30,780
Or you see the black people
taking the heat and they're Miss

2598
02:49:30,780 --> 02:49:31,950
ends behind them.

2599
02:49:33,360 --> 02:49:36,510
Live escape? Like you didn't
hear anything about Fannie Hurst

2600
02:49:36,540 --> 02:49:40,920
you know, I mean, no, no. Right.
If it goes left, she just gets

2601
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:43,980
go back and live and live in her
ordinary life. So I just want to

2602
02:49:43,980 --> 02:49:48,600
say one more thing. I just want
Quick quick aside. I'm the

2603
02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:52,410
actress of Freddy Washington.
This is why representation is

2604
02:49:52,410 --> 02:49:56,010
important and why the
conversation between eight years

2605
02:49:56,010 --> 02:49:59,460
and not eight hours at the plan
black roles. You had to have

2606
02:49:59,460 --> 02:49:59,970
somebody

2607
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:04,620
Be able to internalize what it
says to say, I want to be white,

2608
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:08,190
because that only a person
experienced that, or have the

2609
02:50:08,220 --> 02:50:13,170
option could perhaps black lack
of better word channel, that

2610
02:50:13,170 --> 02:50:15,840
real feeling and bring it across
on screen. So I just want to

2611
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:17,820
make that quick point as well.
Sure.

2612
02:50:18,930 --> 02:50:20,910
But moving on number 30.

2613
02:50:22,800 --> 02:50:27,210
On the one hand, the black
audience really did pick up on

2614
02:50:27,210 --> 02:50:31,170
the thing that she wanted wide
opportunities, and that they

2615
02:50:31,170 --> 02:50:36,240
could understand and connect to.
But the audience could not

2616
02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:38,820
accept her rejection of her
mother, and in essence, her

2617
02:50:38,820 --> 02:50:40,920
rejection of her culture. You

2618
02:50:44,850 --> 02:50:50,730
feel the child, I'm your mommy.
But that's ridiculous. I never

2619
02:50:50,730 --> 02:50:52,050
saw you before in my life.

2620
02:50:53,970 --> 02:50:55,920
This woman doesn't know what
she's talking about.

2621
02:51:00,570 --> 02:51:04,230
There's a great sequence. It's
at the end of a party that

2622
02:51:04,230 --> 02:51:07,350
called at Cobo the white woman
has given a noun she's made all

2623
02:51:07,350 --> 02:51:11,010
this money off this pancake
recipe. And at the end of the

2624
02:51:11,010 --> 02:51:15,960
party, she and Delilah played by
Louise beavers, they're talking

2625
02:51:16,170 --> 02:51:19,800
and Delilah is still
subservient. And at the end of

2626
02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:25,650
the evening, they say goodnight
to each other. And as they go to

2627
02:51:25,650 --> 02:51:30,300
their separate quarters, we see
this beautiful home that really

2628
02:51:30,300 --> 02:51:34,320
Louise beavers pancake recipe is
built, we see quite a co bear

2629
02:51:34,500 --> 02:51:38,580
ascend up the steps and Louise
beavers to send downstairs.

2630
02:51:40,350 --> 02:51:45,210
And it's visually just striking
that john Stoll has just put it

2631
02:51:45,210 --> 02:51:45,480
there.

2632
02:51:50,070 --> 02:51:55,560
So this is even after she's
become successful, she owns 20%

2633
02:51:55,560 --> 02:51:58,800
share and business she still
lives with this white woman be

2634
02:51:59,190 --> 02:52:03,300
in the basement, not having her
own dwelling. And she plays in a

2635
02:52:03,300 --> 02:52:08,670
submissive role to her. Because
in the same sheet, be kicked our

2636
02:52:08,670 --> 02:52:11,430
feet up on the couch and Delilah
is rubber her feet now these are

2637
02:52:11,430 --> 02:52:12,390
two rich women.

2638
02:52:15,570 --> 02:52:19,830
Right? So I'm just saying that
you see the same thing now that

2639
02:52:20,940 --> 02:52:23,730
a lot of times people don't want
to go out on their own and build

2640
02:52:23,730 --> 02:52:27,360
their own thing. They want to
live in the basement other

2641
02:52:27,360 --> 02:52:32,280
people things. Well, yeah, so
that's a mental prison. That's a

2642
02:52:32,280 --> 02:52:34,740
mental prison. Lots of people
are in most people are in that

2643
02:52:34,740 --> 02:52:38,310
probably? Most people are in it.
Yes. And that's the thing is,

2644
02:52:39,420 --> 02:52:42,900
you would think they would be
sisters. And I'm extrapolating a

2645
02:52:42,900 --> 02:52:48,150
lot of stuff here or you know,
from these small clips, but when

2646
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:51,840
you look at it, it's like, Okay,
why she lived in a house where

2647
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:52,290
her steel?

2648
02:52:53,370 --> 02:52:55,350
Yeah, because it's comfortable.

2649
02:52:57,420 --> 02:52:59,970
It's comfortable. You see what
I'm saying is like, I don't want

2650
02:52:59,970 --> 02:53:03,420
to go out on my own. I want to
live under this. And this is why

2651
02:53:03,420 --> 02:53:08,280
you get the Oprah's and all the
other sane people that deal with

2652
02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:12,450
these big white corporate media
companies. It's like why don't

2653
02:53:12,450 --> 02:53:14,430
you go out on your own and
create your own thing. It's like

2654
02:53:14,430 --> 02:53:19,200
what's comfortable here? Now I
rather just have my 20% and this

2655
02:53:19,230 --> 02:53:22,050
is this phenomenon some I
mentioned in the notes with

2656
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:25,560
Kwame Brown, and he's bringing
up this thing Mama's cooking and

2657
02:53:25,560 --> 02:53:28,950
calling him out these people
that back actually put the

2658
02:53:28,950 --> 02:53:32,850
battery in the backs of many
boulais members call it what it

2659
02:53:32,850 --> 02:53:36,300
is. He called it the get go
along and get alone game but

2660
02:53:36,300 --> 02:53:39,090
we've been calling the Boulay is
basically

2661
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:43,470
you have a nice room in their
house.

2662
02:53:46,110 --> 02:53:51,240
Yeah, we need to be building our
own houses. Now we could do

2663
02:53:51,240 --> 02:53:53,940
business with it, whoever but
you have to have your autonomy.

2664
02:53:54,570 --> 02:53:57,870
But this has hundreds of years
of trauma that has to be broken.

2665
02:53:58,620 --> 02:54:02,160
Right and but that's why we
don't we got a we got a rover on

2666
02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:05,070
Mars. So I mean, I think we
could do it.

2667
02:54:07,710 --> 02:54:10,440
Even the Chinese got a rover on
Mars people. Let's get it

2668
02:54:10,440 --> 02:54:10,860
together.

2669
02:54:12,030 --> 02:54:15,150
Yes, I'm just I'm just saying
like, I think it can be done. We

2670
02:54:15,150 --> 02:54:17,550
do it here every episode. That's
just a great one to use on the

2671
02:54:17,550 --> 02:54:20,880
kids. Listen, that's a rover on
Mars. You can do those chores,

2672
02:54:21,240 --> 02:54:21,660
right?

2673
02:54:23,430 --> 02:54:26,460
I don't see why people find
things so hard.

2674
02:54:27,960 --> 02:54:29,280
Well, let's go to 31

2675
02:54:37,740 --> 02:54:40,350
I want to tell you how sorry I
am for what I did to your

2676
02:54:41,490 --> 02:54:47,640
home better. All right. Come,
come baby. Sit down. Don't feel

2677
02:54:47,640 --> 02:54:50,040
like you're really he has
standing so far.

2678
02:54:52,140 --> 02:54:55,680
I've done everything you wanted
me to. I went to that school

2679
02:54:55,680 --> 02:54:59,280
have tried to be happy there to
please you. But I just couldn't

2680
02:54:59,280 --> 02:54:59,760
bear it.

2681
02:55:00,299 --> 02:55:04,829
I could never had to get away. I
have this damn baby. We're gonna

2682
02:55:04,829 --> 02:55:08,879
forget all about it now. It's
all right. But it is no right

2683
02:55:08,879 --> 02:55:14,039
mother. I want to talk to you
about stairs, Dylan. No must be

2684
02:55:14,279 --> 02:55:18,989
your stay, please. I want you to
hear too. What's my little baby

2685
02:55:18,989 --> 02:55:19,979
got on mine.

2686
02:55:24,750 --> 02:55:25,590
I want to go away.

2687
02:55:28,410 --> 02:55:29,160
Go away.

2688
02:55:30,810 --> 02:55:32,250
Go for Viola.

2689
02:55:34,110 --> 02:55:34,590
I mean,

2690
02:55:35,610 --> 02:55:39,690
by that I mean, I want to go
away. And you mustn't see me you

2691
02:55:39,900 --> 02:55:44,190
own me. Or claim me or anything?
I mean,

2692
02:55:45,330 --> 02:55:49,410
even if you pass me on the
street, you have to pass me by

2693
02:55:50,100 --> 02:55:50,970
no appeal.

2694
02:55:52,380 --> 02:55:54,330
I know. It's terrible. And we
must be

2695
02:55:56,220 --> 02:55:59,130
but you don't know what it is to
look quite black.

2696
02:56:00,390 --> 02:56:01,230
You don't know.

2697
02:56:03,330 --> 02:56:04,770
Like you're going this way and

2698
02:56:06,990 --> 02:56:08,520
I can't give a baby.

2699
02:56:09,630 --> 02:56:10,230
A boy.

2700
02:56:14,220 --> 02:56:18,180
I love you have more you can
guess. You can do this

2701
02:56:18,180 --> 02:56:21,900
commandment to do this. You got
to promise me Mother.

2702
02:56:25,260 --> 02:56:25,770
Mother.

2703
02:56:28,410 --> 02:56:31,620
I got the spiritual strength. I
can't.

2704
02:56:39,420 --> 02:56:40,650
And mode.

2705
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:47,310
I think I need a little context
around that one. Okay, so what's

2706
02:56:47,310 --> 02:56:48,120
happening is

2707
02:56:50,700 --> 02:56:53,790
the lie of his daughter.
Actually, we lay out the

2708
02:56:53,790 --> 02:56:57,450
character I mean the characters
again. So a lot is Dora piola.

2709
02:56:58,740 --> 02:57:03,960
She is looks white, because her
father is a very light skin. So

2710
02:57:03,960 --> 02:57:07,830
she grows up living with in the
house would be and Delilah and

2711
02:57:07,830 --> 02:57:12,150
Jessie the white girl. And so
long she lived in this White

2712
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:14,460
House and, and

2713
02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:19,290
looks white. She eventually just
wants to shed her blackness is

2714
02:57:19,290 --> 02:57:23,220
my is not shared her mass,
right? It's I don't want to wear

2715
02:57:23,220 --> 02:57:27,090
this mask anymore. Um, where she
wants to actually wear the

2716
02:57:27,090 --> 02:57:30,600
master she can not be bothered.
I mean, me father the metaphor.

2717
02:57:31,410 --> 02:57:35,190
So so that's what she's asking
her mother like, Don't you see

2718
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:37,980
me walking down the street, keep
on going. don't acknowledge me,

2719
02:57:37,980 --> 02:57:40,410
you got to let me go. So I can
be free, right.

2720
02:57:41,550 --> 02:57:44,490
And that's why the audience had
a real problem with setting this

2721
02:57:44,490 --> 02:57:49,920
movie in the 1934 iteration,
which 25 years later was made

2722
02:57:49,920 --> 02:57:52,620
again. So they show you these
things are very powerful. That's

2723
02:57:52,620 --> 02:57:56,820
why they keep moving. Keep
making them Excuse me. So come

2724
02:57:56,820 --> 02:57:59,460
on, understand, I can't give you
up. You're saying you my child.

2725
02:57:59,490 --> 02:58:03,840
Yeah. Right. So this just goes
to show you when you build up

2726
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:05,790
things and other people's.

2727
02:58:06,900 --> 02:58:08,970
When you let other people set
the value.

2728
02:58:10,170 --> 02:58:12,840
This is bound to happen, right?
Your children are going to try

2729
02:58:12,840 --> 02:58:16,680
to go away from it. And what the
way I tie this in is when you go

2730
02:58:16,680 --> 02:58:20,040
back to mama Rosie, she wanted
her kids to go out to school,

2731
02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:22,950
but when you go to school, you
learn new ideas and you lose the

2732
02:58:23,010 --> 02:58:27,480
appreciation for the old ideas.
Does that make sense? Yeah, of

2733
02:58:27,480 --> 02:58:29,850
course and of course got it.
Okay. I just want to make sure

2734
02:58:29,850 --> 02:58:32,400
I'm because it's kind of loopy.
So I just wanted to make sure

2735
02:58:33,180 --> 02:58:36,540
everybody else is following
along as well. That it's a

2736
02:58:36,540 --> 02:58:37,830
double edged sword.

2737
02:58:38,850 --> 02:58:42,060
When you you're saying we you
validate yourself by whiteness,

2738
02:58:42,090 --> 02:58:45,150
or you validate yourself by and
it's not even about white. We're

2739
02:58:45,150 --> 02:58:48,420
not talking about color here.
It's not about the expectations

2740
02:58:48,420 --> 02:58:49,440
of the mass

2741
02:58:51,420 --> 02:58:55,290
agenda. The one we're I mean,
which we call white supremacy

2742
02:58:55,290 --> 02:58:57,960
one world government it's like
this is what this is what it

2743
02:58:57,960 --> 02:59:01,830
says to be wearing a mask taking
the jab. Yeah.

2744
02:59:02,940 --> 02:59:06,480
Seat critical race theory, all
these things. This is the this

2745
02:59:06,480 --> 02:59:09,150
is what acceptable. And if you
don't subscribe to it, then

2746
02:59:09,180 --> 02:59:11,280
you're off your reservation you
out. Yeah.

2747
02:59:12,330 --> 02:59:15,840
Right. So I mean, when you do
that, it's always going to come

2748
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:20,100
back and bite you in the butt
eventually. And Delilah. She

2749
02:59:20,100 --> 02:59:23,970
loves to end with B and t hat or
home money and we're saying she

2750
02:59:23,970 --> 02:59:26,730
was a part owner in a very
successful company, but she

2751
02:59:26,730 --> 02:59:28,290
never moved her out our house.

2752
02:59:29,310 --> 02:59:33,420
And now it comes back home to
roost because your own child

2753
02:59:33,420 --> 02:59:37,320
doesn't want to be what you
identify us because she's lived

2754
02:59:37,320 --> 02:59:37,890
in this

2755
02:59:38,910 --> 02:59:43,860
other reality. And she has the
ability to take part in me. Got

2756
02:59:43,860 --> 02:59:46,770
it. Same thing with education.
That's why I'm tied to

2757
02:59:46,770 --> 02:59:50,190
education. When these people get
these degrees. They think they

2758
02:59:50,190 --> 02:59:53,940
can operate and whiteness
because they had their freedom

2759
02:59:53,940 --> 02:59:54,540
papers.

2760
02:59:55,860 --> 02:59:59,760
Yeah, well, but along with it,
but along with it comes a whole

2761
02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:00,000
bunch of

2762
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,120
responsibility of towing all the
rest of the lines that have to

2763
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:03,630
be towed.

2764
03:00:05,130 --> 03:00:06,390
This messed up, man.

2765
03:00:07,470 --> 03:00:10,260
Yes, it's a man. But I always
say it starts with

2766
03:00:11,429 --> 03:00:15,149
a start. Oh, yeah, no, I, this
is what I appreciate so much.

2767
03:00:15,149 --> 03:00:19,439
It's like, a lot of it's already
here with us. Right? So what

2768
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:22,019
we're going to do now is just
for the sake of time, I think

2769
03:00:22,019 --> 03:00:25,379
pretty suit, which was kind of
redundant. So 33, we're gonna

2770
03:00:25,379 --> 03:00:28,559
get into Okay, so this is this
is the hot button issue right

2771
03:00:28,559 --> 03:00:30,989
here. This is where we might get
canceled.

2772
03:00:35,880 --> 03:00:40,380
Cancel Canada, thank you and
appropriate. So for the kiss

2773
03:00:40,380 --> 03:00:40,920
Academy.

2774
03:00:42,810 --> 03:00:47,580
Women wants to be worshipped.
And we see this in modern, even

2775
03:00:47,580 --> 03:00:50,430
modern art. This goes back to
the

2776
03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:55,050
Miss Ann's wanting to be called
god mother and their gods and,

2777
03:00:55,320 --> 03:00:59,100
you know, feminists, you know,
they're the guy you know, the

2778
03:00:59,100 --> 03:01:02,220
mother goddess and these kind of
things. You see in movies like

2779
03:01:02,220 --> 03:01:05,160
that help bright the black women
are following along behind the

2780
03:01:05,160 --> 03:01:09,420
white women. Or you saw it with
Game of Thrones with Khaleesi. I

2781
03:01:09,420 --> 03:01:12,630
think her name was denarius.
Targaryen she was the great

2782
03:01:12,630 --> 03:01:16,050
liberate the mother dragon right
in the mother dragons. And she

2783
03:01:16,050 --> 03:01:19,560
was liberating all the brown
people, this blonde, pale white

2784
03:01:19,560 --> 03:01:23,670
woman, listen, these things play
out. But what they do is they

2785
03:01:23,670 --> 03:01:28,500
can convince women, especially
black women, that they are God

2786
03:01:28,740 --> 03:01:33,990
themselves. Now that may sound
crazy to you, Adam. And they are

2787
03:01:33,990 --> 03:01:36,810
meant to be worshipped. And this
is their appreciation. This is

2788
03:01:36,810 --> 03:01:37,950
the whole worship thing

2789
03:01:39,630 --> 03:01:43,860
that we see going on, it's just
not enough to appreciate women,

2790
03:01:43,860 --> 03:01:47,250
you have to bow down to him. And
this thing has been festering on

2791
03:01:47,280 --> 03:01:52,680
our side for a very low Tom. And
appropriate so this is canons

2792
03:01:52,680 --> 03:01:56,520
class, Nick Cannon. The black
woman is God and he's talking to

2793
03:01:56,520 --> 03:02:00,270
gofree wine scientists have been
digging up bones out of Africa

2794
03:02:00,270 --> 03:02:03,180
getting upset going fuck another

2795
03:02:05,070 --> 03:02:08,190
and it's traced to the black
woman, which are the most

2796
03:02:08,190 --> 03:02:12,480
disrespected planet not
disrespecting any other woman.

2797
03:02:12,600 --> 03:02:16,890
Women. You're all women. Man,
you all matter. You all give

2798
03:02:16,890 --> 03:02:20,760
birth to all other than black
women are all put on pedestals.

2799
03:02:21,090 --> 03:02:24,210
Black women need to be up there
too. They have been over

2800
03:02:24,210 --> 03:02:27,990
sexualized and disrespected to
always say, Yeah, I say to black

2801
03:02:27,990 --> 03:02:31,320
woman is God. And when you think
about the humility, and what's

2802
03:02:31,320 --> 03:02:34,200
that come from? Think about the
origin of the motherland and

2803
03:02:34,200 --> 03:02:37,920
where we come from. And at some
point, to put yourself in that

2804
03:02:37,920 --> 03:02:40,530
godlike pasture you have to dis
the God in which you've come

2805
03:02:40,530 --> 03:02:44,820
from and when you disrespect a
woman you annihilate the culture

2806
03:02:44,820 --> 03:02:47,760
in which they come. That's a
true, yes. No, that's a fact.

2807
03:02:47,790 --> 03:02:51,180
Yeah. And it's like, you can't
say you love your culture. And

2808
03:02:51,180 --> 03:02:56,310
in this respect a woman have
that. Damn right. Okay, weigh in

2809
03:02:56,310 --> 03:03:01,530
is Mr. Mo, take it away. Okay,
so all this is based out of the

2810
03:03:01,560 --> 03:03:04,470
out of Africa theory, I'm sure
you're aware that right? The

2811
03:03:04,470 --> 03:03:09,360
first people were black people.
And this is where that primitive

2812
03:03:09,630 --> 03:03:13,710
narrative comes from that were
their regional, but we're not

2813
03:03:13,710 --> 03:03:17,070
the best. You know, we're I
mean, that's most brown people.

2814
03:03:17,070 --> 03:03:19,980
That's how I started that's, I'm
just going by the myth and

2815
03:03:20,460 --> 03:03:23,220
conversation, how they're
primitive people, Native

2816
03:03:23,220 --> 03:03:25,170
Americans seem the same way
black people, you know, those

2817
03:03:25,170 --> 03:03:29,100
kind of things. So what they say
is so weird, since Africa is the

2818
03:03:29,100 --> 03:03:33,330
cradle of civilization. The
black woman must be the mother

2819
03:03:33,330 --> 03:03:36,300
of civilization, which I have no
beef with that, if you want to

2820
03:03:36,300 --> 03:03:39,060
believe out of Africa theory,
but the problem out of Africa

2821
03:03:39,060 --> 03:03:41,670
theory, just as a side note,
it's probably one of the most

2822
03:03:41,670 --> 03:03:45,930
racist theories ever. Because
what you're saying is people in

2823
03:03:45,960 --> 03:03:49,890
Africa were created, they stay
there, while the rest of the

2824
03:03:49,890 --> 03:03:54,480
people made it all the way
around the world. came through

2825
03:03:54,540 --> 03:03:58,560
Europe, Asia, down the Bering
Strait and came to America,

2826
03:03:58,860 --> 03:04:01,800
which would be the Native
Americans, all before black

2827
03:04:01,800 --> 03:04:03,600
people could make out the west
coast of Africa.

2828
03:04:07,440 --> 03:04:09,630
We had to we had to hitch a ride
to America.

2829
03:04:11,010 --> 03:04:13,800
Everybody had was on the on the
train, but you couldn't make it

2830
03:04:13,800 --> 03:04:17,010
on what was the what's up for
that? You tell me I mean, like,

2831
03:04:17,040 --> 03:04:20,730
okay, West Coast, Africa, the
east coast of America is not

2832
03:04:20,730 --> 03:04:22,980
that far. When you think about
you're saying everybody else,

2833
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:27,990
track the globe, and was able to
evolve and you know, now you see

2834
03:04:27,990 --> 03:04:29,970
where do you think the danger is
when they start saying, oh,

2835
03:04:29,970 --> 03:04:32,490
we're primitive people were
primitive in energy. This is

2836
03:04:32,490 --> 03:04:33,120
what they mean.

2837
03:04:34,290 --> 03:04:37,620
And he's white University
support this to say, oh, black

2838
03:04:37,620 --> 03:04:41,010
woman, you're a god. And then
they send us like a clip with

2839
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:44,760
America and we were a black man
here. This match.

2840
03:04:46,320 --> 03:04:49,080
How the hell can I deal with a
woman think she's God?

2841
03:04:50,400 --> 03:04:54,540
Yeah. And then you have Nick
Cannon. Last time I checked,

2842
03:04:54,840 --> 03:04:57,360
Nick Cannon one dating the most
melanated women and having

2843
03:04:57,360 --> 03:04:59,850
children by him even though he
got so far in the last six

2844
03:04:59,850 --> 03:05:00,000
months.

2845
03:05:00,450 --> 03:05:00,840
But

2846
03:05:06,839 --> 03:05:09,119
I heard a Russa in the wild the
other day.

2847
03:05:11,160 --> 03:05:15,810
You know where, where we were,
we were at the title company

2848
03:05:15,960 --> 03:05:21,000
closing on our house to sell the
house. And the

2849
03:05:22,650 --> 03:05:28,140
the lady who was doing the
closing black lady, and all of a

2850
03:05:28,140 --> 03:05:30,690
sudden she throws out a I don't
know what we were talking about.

2851
03:05:30,690 --> 03:05:33,210
She's very funny. We're just
chatting about a Whoops, I got

2852
03:05:34,380 --> 03:05:36,300
to go looks at me like we're

2853
03:05:38,130 --> 03:05:43,080
a long story long story. But she
threw out a WUSA I got it. And I

2854
03:05:43,080 --> 03:05:46,020
drew it right back at it. And it
was fun. It was it was it was a

2855
03:05:46,020 --> 03:05:49,320
fun moment, doing the work. And
we understand that we seem to

2856
03:05:49,320 --> 03:05:53,250
seek first to understand then to
be understood. But we have

2857
03:05:53,250 --> 03:05:56,730
people saying this. And when I'm
saying I don't think any woman

2858
03:05:56,730 --> 03:06:00,450
is God. I don't think any human
is God will exception one guy

2859
03:06:00,450 --> 03:06:02,910
but that's a totally different
story for another day. But

2860
03:06:04,860 --> 03:06:07,860
how do you deal with that? You
go to these universities and

2861
03:06:07,860 --> 03:06:11,640
this is what these liberal
feminists are just gonna say or

2862
03:06:11,640 --> 03:06:16,500
blow up there but that your Gods
but a rationality they see

2863
03:06:16,500 --> 03:06:19,260
themselves as gods, but it's
like, oh, yeah, you can be in

2864
03:06:19,260 --> 03:06:22,050
God to sister let's like when he
was in that kind of thing. It's

2865
03:06:22,050 --> 03:06:27,030
like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah.
But basically, not not healthy.

2866
03:06:27,060 --> 03:06:29,670
It's not healthy. It's not
healthy. And then you see, I'm

2867
03:06:29,670 --> 03:06:31,620
just gonna go back to the
transcript. Oh, their

2868
03:06:31,620 --> 03:06:36,660
interaction. He says a
disrespect now, okay, says black

2869
03:06:36,660 --> 03:06:39,450
moving on the most disrespected.
That's the Malcolm X mean,

2870
03:06:40,170 --> 03:06:44,040
playing out there, which I agree
in some sense.

2871
03:06:45,570 --> 03:06:48,960
It says women, you're all all
women matter. Whoa, whoa, whoa,

2872
03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:52,470
you can't say that. You can't
say all women matters. That's

2873
03:06:52,470 --> 03:06:55,740
how you know, I'm being
facetious here. But that's like

2874
03:06:55,740 --> 03:06:59,310
saying all laws matter. You're
too old to be saying that. And

2875
03:06:59,310 --> 03:07:01,950
then you can't say all women
matter. And then they say they

2876
03:07:01,950 --> 03:07:05,370
want to put black women on a
pedestal too. So if you put them

2877
03:07:05,400 --> 03:07:08,460
on a pedestal, what are other
women there and no one's on a

2878
03:07:08,460 --> 03:07:08,970
pedestal?

2879
03:07:11,760 --> 03:07:14,250
pedestal was is non existent,
then you're all

2880
03:07:16,200 --> 03:07:19,170
trying to tell me black woman is
God, but you don't want to put

2881
03:07:19,170 --> 03:07:22,890
her on a pedestal over other
women? This is God we're talking

2882
03:07:22,890 --> 03:07:23,310
about here.

2883
03:07:26,160 --> 03:07:27,690
Yeah, I think that was just

2884
03:07:29,310 --> 03:07:35,550
those guys were Oh, no. Oh, no,
no, no, no, no, a curry. See

2885
03:07:35,550 --> 03:07:35,970
this when

2886
03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:41,100
we go to the next level? This is
a running theme in our

2887
03:07:41,100 --> 03:07:45,870
community. Okay, supported by
science. What's the premise

2888
03:07:45,870 --> 03:07:49,170
science on my head? Yes, which
is the Africa theory. It looks

2889
03:07:49,170 --> 03:07:52,050
like, like I said, that's one of
the most racist thing I've ever

2890
03:07:52,140 --> 03:07:55,500
heard in my life. If you want to
say if you want to go by the

2891
03:07:55,500 --> 03:07:57,720
narrative, but I'm just saying
I'm just

2892
03:07:59,430 --> 03:08:03,150
but this is where it comes from.
So when you have women going out

2893
03:08:03,150 --> 03:08:05,880
to these schools, and they've
been indoctrinated, that they're

2894
03:08:05,880 --> 03:08:09,120
special at a very early age with
gifted classes, all these

2895
03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:11,670
things, and then they go out to
the Ivy League schools, and

2896
03:08:11,670 --> 03:08:14,100
they're probably one of a
handful black women. And you

2897
03:08:14,100 --> 03:08:17,310
have these black women, women
like all psych Queen, nurse, and

2898
03:08:17,310 --> 03:08:20,940
you're the Mother Earth, all
women came from you. But what

2899
03:08:20,940 --> 03:08:23,340
they don't tell you is they
think that Yeah, you're

2900
03:08:23,370 --> 03:08:25,830
primitive. Yeah, you're the
first but you're not the best.

2901
03:08:26,010 --> 03:08:29,100
See, they won't say that to your
face. It's like we're the

2902
03:08:29,190 --> 03:08:33,240
updated version. Because if your
first we came after you, but

2903
03:08:33,240 --> 03:08:34,650
we're better. We're smarter than
you.

2904
03:08:35,880 --> 03:08:38,340
Yeah, that primitive torquing
energy that you got going on.

2905
03:08:40,110 --> 03:08:41,520
With a

2906
03:08:42,810 --> 03:08:45,720
I forget her name, the last lady
that we looked at the African

2907
03:08:45,720 --> 03:08:48,090
lady. Um, oh,

2908
03:08:49,110 --> 03:08:49,890
Sarah,

2909
03:08:51,000 --> 03:08:54,930
are hot and Tonto on top. Yes,
yes. So that's what they mean by

2910
03:08:54,930 --> 03:08:58,050
print of energy. Bless you.
Let's champion your sexual I

2911
03:08:58,050 --> 03:09:01,380
sold them bring this thing full
circle. So this is what they're

2912
03:09:01,380 --> 03:09:05,130
saying omega stallion all of
them. Let us sex. Use your

2913
03:09:05,130 --> 03:09:08,850
sexual energy to bring people
in. And we'll take our big white

2914
03:09:08,850 --> 03:09:11,430
brains. We'll take it from here.
Don't worry. We got it. We got

2915
03:09:11,430 --> 03:09:15,810
it here. That's what I'm saying.
Hmm. And these women fall for

2916
03:09:15,810 --> 03:09:18,690
this because they say, Well,
this is a this is an elite

2917
03:09:18,690 --> 03:09:22,260
school. This is Ivy League
school. Okay, what's your point?

2918
03:09:22,830 --> 03:09:26,370
Yeah, well, so clearly these Ivy
League schools are really racist

2919
03:09:26,370 --> 03:09:28,560
in their entire demeanor.

2920
03:09:32,970 --> 03:09:37,680
I'll leave that there. But when
we chop it up, because

2921
03:09:39,180 --> 03:09:42,570
yes, they are because they're
the one that teach elitism and

2922
03:09:42,570 --> 03:09:45,570
all these strange thought
processes come into our school

2923
03:09:45,570 --> 03:09:49,170
of thoughts come from? Yes, they
are. You know, I was there was a

2924
03:09:49,170 --> 03:09:53,340
college campus, kind of like a
supercut. And it was asking kids

2925
03:09:53,340 --> 03:09:56,370
if they felt America was racist,
and

2926
03:09:57,900 --> 03:10:00,000
it was you know, you know what
you

2927
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:02,910
Gonna get with these kinds of
man on the street questions. It

2928
03:10:02,910 --> 03:10:05,400
was in Washington DC, where
everyone who's going to one of

2929
03:10:05,400 --> 03:10:08,670
these universities probably has
a lot of financial privilege,

2930
03:10:08,670 --> 03:10:11,880
certainly. And but it was
interesting. One girl said,

2931
03:10:11,940 --> 03:10:16,290
Well, I go to an HBCU. So of
course, I think America is

2932
03:10:16,290 --> 03:10:18,570
racist. I thought that to be
really interesting.

2933
03:10:22,230 --> 03:10:25,110
I don't know how she correlates
that. Just saying, that's just

2934
03:10:25,110 --> 03:10:27,030
what popped up. It's like,
because we know we're talking

2935
03:10:27,030 --> 03:10:29,640
about things that I don't know
exactly what they're teaching in

2936
03:10:29,640 --> 03:10:31,680
universities, I have a pretty
good idea for what they were

2937
03:10:31,680 --> 03:10:35,280
teaching. years ago. Yes,
everything is racist. Everything

2938
03:10:35,280 --> 03:10:39,780
sex is a intersection
intersectionality is really the

2939
03:10:39,780 --> 03:10:44,310
hidden is the hidden payload in
this critical race theory,

2940
03:10:44,340 --> 03:10:46,410
right? It's written by the same
person.

2941
03:10:48,840 --> 03:10:52,200
I mean, like we were on top of
this way, I'm not sure I agree.

2942
03:10:52,200 --> 03:10:54,480
I'm just saying that
historically, black colleges and

2943
03:10:54,480 --> 03:10:57,390
universities are doing the same
thing and just probably even

2944
03:10:57,900 --> 03:11:01,410
turning up the heat. That
historically not went to one but

2945
03:11:01,410 --> 03:11:04,950
most historic private ones. Let
me be clear, most private

2946
03:11:04,950 --> 03:11:07,890
historic black colleges were
created by white people in class

2947
03:11:07,890 --> 03:11:12,150
the brown paper bag test. Not
only that, but your was Spelman

2948
03:11:12,150 --> 03:11:18,750
is named after Oh, yeah, right
guys, I'm with the rich guy

2949
03:11:18,900 --> 03:11:22,710
Rockefeller, named after his
wife's maiden name. Rockefeller

2950
03:11:22,710 --> 03:11:25,590
was spending money, Carnegie,
Carnegie, all these people were

2951
03:11:25,590 --> 03:11:29,040
throwing money around and he
schools and you can't have

2952
03:11:29,040 --> 03:11:32,730
independent thought. It's like
no, no, no, no, it's still the

2953
03:11:32,730 --> 03:11:37,080
same Rockefeller Foundation
Carnegie Foundation as a couple

2954
03:11:37,080 --> 03:11:40,650
more that as we talked to an
hour ago that are still the ones

2955
03:11:40,650 --> 03:11:45,780
who mandate the curriculum,
based on the money they donate

2956
03:11:45,780 --> 03:11:50,550
to the endowment and bring up
hot button topics to see which

2957
03:11:50,550 --> 03:11:54,990
side they are without a lien.
Oh, yeah, they got Lena on the

2958
03:11:54,990 --> 03:11:58,470
side of whatever their
paymasters tell them the same.

2959
03:11:58,620 --> 03:12:01,740
And I say everybody got to make
a living like tiger, Tiger on

2960
03:12:01,800 --> 03:12:05,100
artesyn. Everybody got to make a
living we all prostitutes are

2961
03:12:05,100 --> 03:12:08,190
self aware, you're saying a
little bit at a time. That's not

2962
03:12:08,190 --> 03:12:10,710
what I'm saying. It's not like
it's exclusive, but

2963
03:12:12,840 --> 03:12:16,890
you have these people blowing
your head up. And then they come

2964
03:12:16,890 --> 03:12:20,640
back into the quote unquote,
community with all these new

2965
03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:24,180
thoughts and ideologies and it
doesn't job anywhere, which

2966
03:12:24,180 --> 03:12:29,280
let's go ahead and jump into a
brief overview of massage noir

2967
03:12:29,520 --> 03:12:33,240
with the Knave knee. Hey, what's
up? It's Friday, so I'm gonna

2968
03:12:33,240 --> 03:12:36,690
keep it black, but I'm gonna
keep it brief. They're not gonna

2969
03:12:36,690 --> 03:12:40,350
like this one. Hey. So I just
want to talk to you today about

2970
03:12:40,350 --> 03:12:43,380
the thing called massage noir
tell it is for black men to hear

2971
03:12:43,410 --> 03:12:46,020
for black woman to feel her for
white people to pay attention to

2972
03:12:46,020 --> 03:12:48,120
in their endeavors for anti
racism so they can better

2973
03:12:48,120 --> 03:12:51,420
understand intersectionality or
listening to massage and why is

2974
03:12:51,420 --> 03:12:54,210
a specific type of sexism black
women experience or what Maria

2975
03:12:54,210 --> 03:12:56,790
Bailey refers to as this
specific hatred, dislike

2976
03:12:56,790 --> 03:12:59,760
distrust and prejudice directed
toward black women. Now, we're

2977
03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:01,770
gonna talk about this subject
any day of the week, but it's

2978
03:13:01,770 --> 03:13:04,500
different during Black History
Month. Okay. Hello, somebody you

2979
03:13:04,500 --> 03:13:07,170
see earlier this week, I posted
a real about Joanne Robinson,

2980
03:13:07,200 --> 03:13:09,720
the woman who was the actual
brains and brains behind the

2981
03:13:09,720 --> 03:13:12,960
Montgomery Bus Boycott, not Dr.
King, like most of us believed

2982
03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:15,270
or infer from our civil rights
movement lessons in grade

2983
03:13:15,270 --> 03:13:17,820
school. And while I was just
redirecting credit to give

2984
03:13:17,820 --> 03:13:21,000
credit where it was due somehow
black men still found a way to

2985
03:13:21,000 --> 03:13:24,570
respond negatively saying I was
disrespecting Dr. King's legacy

2986
03:13:24,570 --> 03:13:26,730
or that the women involved were
irrelevant, because obviously

2987
03:13:26,730 --> 03:13:29,220
Dr. King was needed to pull it
off. The Civil Rights Movement

2988
03:13:29,250 --> 03:13:32,190
was male dominated in terms of
representation, largely part due

2989
03:13:32,190 --> 03:13:35,730
to respectability politics, what
many conveniently forget. The

2990
03:13:35,730 --> 03:13:38,640
politics are inherently sexist,
and this left many women on the

2991
03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:41,400
back burner or in the shadows of
the movement like Mary Louise

2992
03:13:41,400 --> 03:13:44,460
Smith, who are just one of the
many women who got arrested for

2993
03:13:44,460 --> 03:13:46,590
refusing to give up their seat
on the Montgomery Bus before

2994
03:13:46,590 --> 03:13:49,740
Rosa Park and clotet Coleman.
Yeah, Ella Baker she said don't

2995
03:13:49,740 --> 03:13:52,050
even worry about me, which I
wasn't gonna do that anyway. And

2996
03:13:52,050 --> 03:13:53,760
yeah, I wasn't gonna do that
anyway cuz that's just how y'all

2997
03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:56,430
are massage was not only
resulted in black woman not

2998
03:13:56,430 --> 03:13:58,950
getting credit. Besides the war
has also led a lot of black men

2999
03:13:58,950 --> 03:14:01,200
get away with doing a lot of
things to black women make it

3000
03:14:01,200 --> 03:14:04,020
plain. And my thing is, if
you're upset about us taking

3001
03:14:04,020 --> 03:14:07,290
some of these flowers and giving
them to the women that deserve

3002
03:14:07,290 --> 03:14:07,530
them.

3003
03:14:08,850 --> 03:14:10,590
I'll just say you won't be mad
at me for this.

3004
03:14:13,440 --> 03:14:16,620
Right now, who was? Who was Lynn
Haven a.

3005
03:14:18,180 --> 03:14:23,610
Some talking head black feminist
on YouTube. Okay, I just use her

3006
03:14:23,610 --> 03:14:25,740
as the chatterbox. Yeah.

3007
03:14:26,850 --> 03:14:28,950
Um, what's the point?

3008
03:14:30,540 --> 03:14:32,490
What's that mean? What are you?
What are you saying here and

3009
03:14:32,490 --> 03:14:34,860
even your facts not even
straight. We're gonna get to

3010
03:14:34,860 --> 03:14:38,880
that a little later, but just
okay. Say for instance, if we

3011
03:14:38,880 --> 03:14:41,940
had the same black and I say we
black man had the same mentality

3012
03:14:41,940 --> 03:14:45,360
as them. When the movie hidden
colors can't be Hidden Figures

3013
03:14:45,360 --> 03:14:49,290
came out about the black female
scientists at NASA, right? We

3014
03:14:49,290 --> 03:14:52,050
can say what about the black man
at NASA? We don't have any

3015
03:14:52,050 --> 03:14:55,560
representation of black men in
the movie. We know that it's

3016
03:14:55,560 --> 03:14:56,160
just as raw

3017
03:14:57,360 --> 03:14:59,880
little black girls into STEM.
It's a good thing.

3018
03:15:00,599 --> 03:15:03,479
Right, we didn't we didn't come
out how to tear down people. And

3019
03:15:03,479 --> 03:15:05,999
people say, well, Mo you made an
episode about Martin Luther

3020
03:15:05,999 --> 03:15:09,089
King. Yeah, the shouted that he
wasn't even in control of

3021
03:15:09,089 --> 03:15:12,659
himself, right? I'm always going
back to the fall on the street,

3022
03:15:12,659 --> 03:15:14,969
not I'm not gonna stop looking
where you want me to stop

3023
03:15:14,969 --> 03:15:18,599
looking at. I'm gonna follow the
trail all the way back to who's

3024
03:15:18,599 --> 03:15:23,639
pulling the strings. And I even
gave the credit, to MLK to say,

3025
03:15:24,089 --> 03:15:28,169
Yeah, he was control as being
younger, because he was just the

3026
03:15:28,169 --> 03:15:29,999
same way as Greta Thornburg
don't.

3027
03:15:31,830 --> 03:15:36,030
Um, he had no control over me he
was being set up to be who he

3028
03:15:36,030 --> 03:15:38,880
was, by it was saying
controlling factors at a very

3029
03:15:38,880 --> 03:15:42,060
young person. And then at one
point, when he decided to change

3030
03:15:42,300 --> 03:15:45,150
and break narrative, you saw
what happened to him. But I'm

3031
03:15:45,150 --> 03:15:47,460
not just gonna say I'm not just
gonna tear him down for the sake

3032
03:15:47,460 --> 03:15:50,280
of tearing people down. That's
not what we do here. But that's

3033
03:15:50,280 --> 03:15:55,080
what they do. It's like see
sisters see famous sisters. Calm

3034
03:15:55,110 --> 03:15:57,930
down for the cause. I'm gonna
turn out every black man I see.

3035
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:03,090
To show their solidarity with
white feminists. I mean, we're

3036
03:16:03,090 --> 03:16:04,950
going to talk about we're going
to talk about it and this is

3037
03:16:04,950 --> 03:16:08,850
where it comes in respectability
politics. This is what we need

3038
03:16:08,850 --> 03:16:11,970
to understand and with that,
have

3039
03:16:13,230 --> 03:16:16,680
a new term for me I had not
heard of this. Right and what

3040
03:16:16,680 --> 03:16:17,430
you're going to see how

3041
03:16:18,780 --> 03:16:22,470
how it's important to the
overall overarching topic of the

3042
03:16:22,470 --> 03:16:26,580
show. 35 so this is Paul
Laurence Dunbar we wear the

3043
03:16:26,580 --> 03:16:27,090
mask.

3044
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:32,970
We wear the mask that grenzen
lies, it hides their cheeks in

3045
03:16:32,970 --> 03:16:37,770
shades, their eyes, that we pay
to human Guile with torn and

3046
03:16:37,770 --> 03:16:41,340
bleeding hearts, we smile, and
mouth with mirrored subtleties.

3047
03:16:42,330 --> 03:16:46,440
Why should the world be over
why, and counting all of our

3048
03:16:46,440 --> 03:16:51,690
tears and sighs? Nay, let them
only see us while we wear the

3049
03:16:51,690 --> 03:16:57,180
mask. After reading the poem. My
anxiety level tripled because I

3050
03:16:57,180 --> 03:17:01,650
realized that Paul Laurence
Dunbar was talking about the

3051
03:17:01,650 --> 03:17:06,720
black American identity and
identity that I hadn't really

3052
03:17:06,840 --> 03:17:11,250
quite grasped yet, something
that I was deeply struggling

3053
03:17:11,250 --> 03:17:17,250
with. And now I realize, reading
his poem that the mask he was

3054
03:17:17,250 --> 03:17:21,360
referring to, with the mask of
respectability politics.

3055
03:17:22,980 --> 03:17:27,570
respectability politics is a
tactic used by marginalized

3056
03:17:27,570 --> 03:17:33,540
groups to subvert or BIRT racism
and stereotypes. And they do

3057
03:17:33,540 --> 03:17:38,130
this by doing the exact opposite
of what the stereotype or racist

3058
03:17:38,130 --> 03:17:42,210
comment would suggest. So I'm an
African American person, a

3059
03:17:42,210 --> 03:17:45,030
stereotype about African
American people as we like to

3060
03:17:45,030 --> 03:17:48,720
listen to our music really,
really loud. So if I was

3061
03:17:48,780 --> 03:17:52,080
practicing respectability
politics, I would make sure that

3062
03:17:52,080 --> 03:17:55,830
when I was driving my car, I
would turn my music on medium or

3063
03:17:55,830 --> 03:17:59,130
low not to disturb the other
cars around me. Or if I'm having

3064
03:17:59,130 --> 03:18:02,010
a house party, have some friends
over I'd make sure my music was

3065
03:18:02,010 --> 03:18:02,370
low.

3066
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:09,240
Now the goal of respectability
politics, is to raise the status

3067
03:18:09,660 --> 03:18:15,600
of the marginalized group by
counteracting this stereotype.

3068
03:18:15,960 --> 03:18:17,580
Holy crap.

3069
03:18:21,510 --> 03:18:24,690
Yeah, okay. By the way, this is
new to me.

3070
03:18:25,770 --> 03:18:28,800
The black people this is their
music louder than white people

3071
03:18:28,800 --> 03:18:30,150
or brown people. Is that?

3072
03:18:31,740 --> 03:18:36,960
Not really no, oh, no See that?
We may have music has more bass

3073
03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:40,740
in it. So it may trap me, but
that, but let me get, excuse me.

3074
03:18:41,070 --> 03:18:44,670
Let me give you an example of
that, by I had to fifteens

3075
03:18:44,670 --> 03:18:48,210
you're saying Yeah, you're
knocking your car. Way too loud.

3076
03:18:48,210 --> 03:18:49,560
Probably going to be deaf
because of it.

3077
03:18:50,970 --> 03:18:54,930
But my dad was, hey, before you
turn that corner up there, turn

3078
03:18:54,930 --> 03:18:56,670
it down, you better have it
turned down.

3079
03:18:58,380 --> 03:19:01,710
Now, because you know that
you're black, and you know, you

3080
03:19:01,710 --> 03:19:04,080
don't understand I don't want
you to be seen as black by

3081
03:19:04,080 --> 03:19:07,560
having you know, the loud music
because they'll definitely give

3082
03:19:07,560 --> 03:19:11,070
it away. I think my skin would
give it away. He was saying but

3083
03:19:11,340 --> 03:19:13,980
it was out of the fact that my
neighbor works second shift, and

3084
03:19:13,980 --> 03:19:17,070
he slipped, right and my dad
wanted to have his damn picture

3085
03:19:17,070 --> 03:19:22,500
shaking on his wall is it's out
of respect. But see, this is the

3086
03:19:22,500 --> 03:19:25,650
dangerous. That's why I said
these new ideas. They learn.

3087
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:29,100
I've never heard of this term
before my life until these women

3088
03:19:29,100 --> 03:19:32,490
started talking about it. So now
let's say we put on some clothes

3089
03:19:32,670 --> 03:19:36,990
and be respectful. No, no, no.
You put your oppression on me.

3090
03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:41,970
I should be able to work
wherever I want to. Right. I

3091
03:19:41,970 --> 03:19:44,850
mean, like you participate in
respectability politics when you

3092
03:19:44,850 --> 03:19:48,180
put the mask on, or if you put
the mask on, right, I guess I

3093
03:19:48,180 --> 03:19:51,420
don't want to smoke today. I
just want to go ahead and get

3094
03:19:51,420 --> 03:19:52,350
some steaks. Yeah.

3095
03:19:53,970 --> 03:19:57,960
So let me just put the mask on.
So uh, so it is a real thing,

3096
03:19:57,960 --> 03:19:59,970
but now it's being spread.

3097
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,010
out to everything is like any
behavior. One of them being and

3098
03:20:05,010 --> 03:20:08,790
oh, I'm gonna hit a hot button
here, the bonnets. Oh the

3099
03:20:08,790 --> 03:20:13,410
bonnets so the bonnet is this
thing women wear to cover their

3100
03:20:13,410 --> 03:20:17,430
hair now, I understand why women
wear bonnets like we used to be

3101
03:20:17,430 --> 03:20:19,890
like when your grandma had a
hair curl with a little pink

3102
03:20:19,890 --> 03:20:23,430
curlers with that wax paper. She
wanted her curls to be tight. So

3103
03:20:23,430 --> 03:20:26,280
she would have it curl rice and
tight and put the cap over top

3104
03:20:26,280 --> 03:20:29,010
of it. So before she left the
house, you were saying her curls

3105
03:20:29,010 --> 03:20:29,700
would fall out?

3106
03:20:30,810 --> 03:20:33,840
What was happening is these
people are starting to wear out

3107
03:20:33,840 --> 03:20:36,420
in public. Yes, it is, oh, if
you want to wear it out in

3108
03:20:36,420 --> 03:20:39,570
public, that's fine. But you got
to have what comes along with

3109
03:20:39,570 --> 03:20:42,930
it. And understanding it looks
like you did prepare yourself

3110
03:20:42,930 --> 03:20:46,710
for the day. Right? And because
that's the origin of it is that

3111
03:20:47,640 --> 03:20:51,150
black women will have a house
coat, or house dress, you know,

3112
03:20:51,570 --> 03:20:54,990
they rose with their bonnet and
like, I'm not going to put my

3113
03:20:54,990 --> 03:20:57,780
clothes on. So I'd be nice and
pressed and my hair be nice and

3114
03:20:57,780 --> 03:21:00,060
fresh when I take the rollers
out before I walk out the door.

3115
03:21:00,540 --> 03:21:02,700
So when you walk out the door,
it looks like you're prepared.

3116
03:21:02,700 --> 03:21:05,430
But when you say something, Oh,
you were disrespecting my

3117
03:21:05,430 --> 03:21:09,660
respectability politics. Things
like what? Wait, how tiring.

3118
03:21:12,180 --> 03:21:13,080
Now you see.

3119
03:21:16,740 --> 03:21:19,410
So now we're dealing with God,
they can't understand every

3120
03:21:19,410 --> 03:21:20,190
question.

3121
03:21:23,460 --> 03:21:26,850
And not all like I said, I'm
being in these other strollers.

3122
03:21:27,960 --> 03:21:31,440
That's why I say to the ladies
that actually feel the same way

3123
03:21:31,440 --> 03:21:35,490
I do. We got your back if you
speak up, but we can't speak up,

3124
03:21:35,520 --> 03:21:38,700
right? I mean, we can't say
anything. It's like me trying to

3125
03:21:38,700 --> 03:21:40,860
make the case of a case on
somebody's behalf. You don't

3126
03:21:40,860 --> 03:21:44,730
want to make a case for
yourself. Right? So this is more

3127
03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:47,820
than this. Why I took my time
with these episodes because it's

3128
03:21:47,820 --> 03:21:50,610
a very sensitive subject not
only about black, but it's for

3129
03:21:50,610 --> 03:21:52,290
women. It's a very sensitive
subject.

3130
03:21:53,400 --> 03:21:58,020
You know, women. I just found a
I just found an article.

3131
03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:02,370
It was this your Tango, the
power of black hair bond and why

3132
03:22:02,370 --> 03:22:08,760
it's not unprofessional to wear
it outside. From January 8 2021.

3133
03:22:09,300 --> 03:22:14,880
What a publication your Tango,
I'd have no idea what those

3134
03:22:14,910 --> 03:22:18,720
Exactly. I mean, it's like why
are y'all putting so much energy

3135
03:22:18,750 --> 03:22:23,040
on? Like I said, and this is
nothing I was mine. This is why

3136
03:22:23,040 --> 03:22:24,630
I got the Mars rover thing from

3137
03:22:26,130 --> 03:22:30,060
it's amazing that we can put our
Mars rover on Mars, but we can't

3138
03:22:30,060 --> 03:22:34,890
safely straight in black hair.
Hey, I'm gonna Hey, I'm gonna

3139
03:22:34,890 --> 03:22:36,060
give you that Bigley.

3140
03:22:37,230 --> 03:22:43,470
Yes, come on science. Because
what it is, is it's a hot button

3141
03:22:43,470 --> 03:22:47,130
topic that you can make people
feel self conscious about. So

3142
03:22:47,130 --> 03:22:50,460
that's why they don't want to
come on. But I'll keep moving.

3143
03:22:50,460 --> 03:22:54,450
But respectability politics is
the all encompassing shield to

3144
03:22:54,450 --> 03:22:56,700
push back against anything that
you may

3145
03:22:58,380 --> 03:23:00,060
question about anybody.

3146
03:23:01,380 --> 03:23:04,290
I owe you want me you want to
put me in a box, right? Kind of

3147
03:23:04,320 --> 03:23:07,080
this is where the court this is
where the crown act comes from.

3148
03:23:07,080 --> 03:23:10,260
And all these things in that
nature. Hey, I call roll. I used

3149
03:23:10,260 --> 03:23:12,990
to have the straight back and
ever since Come on. But when I

3150
03:23:13,050 --> 03:23:15,510
had to get a security job was
like, you got to cut your hair.

3151
03:23:15,660 --> 03:23:18,240
It's like well, do I want to
look cool, but I want to work,

3152
03:23:18,270 --> 03:23:20,790
which is not right. That makes
them I cut their hair. But at

3153
03:23:20,790 --> 03:23:25,890
the same time if you're trying
to present a militaristic style

3154
03:23:25,890 --> 03:23:28,350
look, you got to have the fresh
cut to go with it. You're

3155
03:23:28,350 --> 03:23:31,650
saying? It's just so you know, I
was I was fired several times

3156
03:23:31,650 --> 03:23:34,530
for not cutting my hair. Oh, you
should have called it

3157
03:23:34,530 --> 03:23:37,470
respectability politics. They
were respecting your crown.

3158
03:23:37,470 --> 03:23:37,770
Okay.

3159
03:23:40,440 --> 03:23:44,100
We didn't have this shit yet. We
hadn't figured that out. We were

3160
03:23:44,100 --> 03:23:46,920
working on it still. So what
they're doing is what the

3161
03:23:46,920 --> 03:23:49,980
treatment always do. You open
the door and he will hold it

3162
03:23:49,980 --> 03:23:52,530
while we get all these other
things pushed in.

3163
03:23:54,210 --> 03:23:54,750
Exactly.

3164
03:23:55,980 --> 03:23:59,340
They're not ready, but okay,
Brittany Cooper has gone to 36.

3165
03:23:59,340 --> 03:24:00,990
And let me give a little
background Brittany Cooper.

3166
03:24:00,990 --> 03:24:04,230
She's a severe black man hater
but continue on. And it has

3167
03:24:04,230 --> 03:24:06,990
since become a subsequent book
project. And that book is called

3168
03:24:06,990 --> 03:24:10,380
Beyond respectability. The
intellectual thought of race

3169
03:24:10,380 --> 03:24:13,350
woman. And my goal in that book
is not to write the sort of

3170
03:24:13,350 --> 03:24:17,640
stuffy academic tome about black
women as thinkers, although I do

3171
03:24:17,640 --> 03:24:20,400
want it to be taken seriously
and to have these women taken

3172
03:24:20,400 --> 03:24:23,880
seriously. But it's also to say
that these women were complex

3173
03:24:23,880 --> 03:24:28,890
and interesting that they both
thought robustly about how to

3174
03:24:28,890 --> 03:24:33,120
help black communities get free
by day, but that they were also,

3175
03:24:33,450 --> 03:24:37,200
you know, fun and interesting,
folks. So there's the fact that

3176
03:24:37,200 --> 03:24:39,450
like, one of the things I
discovered as I was writing

3177
03:24:39,450 --> 03:24:43,110
about Ida B wells is that she
had a shopping habit, and that

3178
03:24:43,110 --> 03:24:46,620
sometimes she couldn't pay her
rent because she spent too much

3179
03:24:46,620 --> 03:24:48,720
more money at The Dressmaker
shop, right.

3180
03:24:49,860 --> 03:24:52,710
I found out as I was writing
that Mary church Tarot was like

3181
03:24:52,740 --> 03:24:56,790
an exquisite arbiter of shade or
what we would call shade in this

3182
03:24:56,790 --> 03:24:59,970
day and time, you know, so I
tell a great

3183
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:03,210
story in my book about how a
bunch of white women kept on

3184
03:25:03,210 --> 03:25:06,960
mistaking Mary church to row for
white woman. And they kept

3185
03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:10,110
calling asking her where they
could find the American vigorous

3186
03:25:10,110 --> 03:25:12,750
that was coming to give a talk
at this conference. And they

3187
03:25:12,750 --> 03:25:15,390
were talking to her and didn't
realize who they were talking

3188
03:25:15,390 --> 03:25:19,350
to. And so she had a joke at
their expense and played along

3189
03:25:19,350 --> 03:25:23,040
with it with the with the ruse
and then, and then on the day of

3190
03:25:23,040 --> 03:25:25,470
the conference, she stands up
and gives this magnificant

3191
03:25:25,530 --> 03:25:29,910
magnificent speech in French and
German and shuts them all down.

3192
03:25:29,910 --> 03:25:33,150
And there's nothing there's a
black girl magic to that, that

3193
03:25:33,150 --> 03:25:35,430
we sometimes miss because we
think of Mary charts too. Well,

3194
03:25:35,430 --> 03:25:38,850
it's kind of a stuffy elitist
black lady from the 19th

3195
03:25:38,850 --> 03:25:39,360
century.

3196
03:25:42,630 --> 03:25:45,510
So basically, they tried to
paint the narrative for these

3197
03:25:45,510 --> 03:25:51,750
women as being a human, or their
former human all like, Oh, she

3198
03:25:51,750 --> 03:25:53,070
she was bad for her money, too.

3199
03:25:55,980 --> 03:25:56,280
I heard that.

3200
03:25:57,540 --> 03:26:01,530
Right. So that's the that's what
it is, is you might want to be

3201
03:26:01,530 --> 03:26:03,750
good with your money. I don't
want you to tell me how to spend

3202
03:26:03,750 --> 03:26:04,290
my money.

3203
03:26:05,850 --> 03:26:11,490
It's like what you realize debt
is slavery, just man just

3204
03:26:11,490 --> 03:26:14,730
looking at Brittany Cooper, she
looks she reminds me of Stacey

3205
03:26:14,730 --> 03:26:18,630
Abrams, in a lot of a lot of
ways, a lot of ways and that is

3206
03:26:18,630 --> 03:26:26,880
a that is by design. That is by
design. But um, we're saying

3207
03:26:26,910 --> 03:26:30,570
that the who the money and the
controlling forces behind these

3208
03:26:30,570 --> 03:26:34,890
people are these ideas where
they come from. But on the flip

3209
03:26:34,890 --> 03:26:37,980
side of this, we're going to
really look at the money and the

3210
03:26:37,980 --> 03:26:44,700
power behind the mat Gumtree
boys, both bus boycott Neva knee

3211
03:26:45,270 --> 03:26:50,520
brought up as being somebody
else. But this is the point they

3212
03:26:50,520 --> 03:26:55,020
don't deal. In fact, they deal
in narrative. So before we do

3213
03:26:55,020 --> 03:26:57,990
that, let's go ahead and thanks
for more producers. Yes, first,

3214
03:26:58,020 --> 03:27:01,080
let's tell us what what we
really love here. We love just

3215
03:27:01,080 --> 03:27:03,420
like the preacher like brand new
money. I just I don't want any

3216
03:27:03,420 --> 03:27:04,380
money around me. It's not

3217
03:27:05,970 --> 03:27:09,570
I don't want to have a new one
than a brand than an old 20

3218
03:27:10,380 --> 03:27:13,110
that's kind of dumb and but
there's some bad new money that

3219
03:27:13,110 --> 03:27:15,420
excites you like $100 bills.

3220
03:27:16,500 --> 03:27:21,090
money to the most beautiful
thing on earth is $100 bill. I

3221
03:27:21,090 --> 03:27:24,000
haven't seen a woman is good
looking at $100 bill. There's

3222
03:27:24,000 --> 03:27:25,020
something about a bill

3223
03:27:26,820 --> 03:27:30,420
and it's changing these days. We
like 100 satoshis to you can

3224
03:27:30,420 --> 03:27:35,310
boost this anytime with your
podcasting 2.0 app. Yes, a

3225
03:27:35,310 --> 03:27:38,730
continuation of thanking our
producers for Episode 64 mo

3226
03:27:38,730 --> 03:27:41,400
facts with Adam Curry. We did
our executive producers

3227
03:27:41,400 --> 03:27:43,440
associate executive producers
and then

3228
03:27:45,030 --> 03:27:46,980
we start off now with

3229
03:27:48,660 --> 03:27:55,830
Who am I thinking here mo? With
$46 we've got my last name is

3230
03:27:55,830 --> 03:27:59,700
pronounced sho enstein excuse
me, that's the name that came

3231
03:27:59,700 --> 03:28:04,380
through with eBay. So just eBay
it just feels

3232
03:28:05,670 --> 03:28:06,420
okay.

3233
03:28:08,880 --> 03:28:12,480
If we're doing I'm just saying
that's I look all over looking

3234
03:28:12,510 --> 03:28:15,390
email and that's the name that
came through in the name all

3235
03:28:15,390 --> 03:28:15,750
right.

3236
03:28:17,430 --> 03:28:20,610
Of course is not as Maine But
for today, so you're gonna be

3237
03:28:21,780 --> 03:28:25,080
seen you got Moe and Adam, thank
you for everything y'all do. I

3238
03:28:25,080 --> 03:28:28,020
was introduced to the show by my
incredible other half Megan

3239
03:28:28,440 --> 03:28:31,290
Megan Emery and have been
catching up on the episodes ever

3240
03:28:31,290 --> 03:28:36,210
since. Please accept this $46 in
otter over 46 birthday July 2,

3241
03:28:36,240 --> 03:28:37,500
and we

3242
03:28:38,730 --> 03:28:42,210
know that we love yalls content
more than anything out there.

3243
03:28:42,210 --> 03:28:44,850
Can I get a biscuit for the
birthday girl and some karma for

3244
03:28:44,850 --> 03:28:48,510
myself. Thank you both and God
bless Of course and thank you

3245
03:28:48,510 --> 03:28:51,330
for your support of the show.
Always give me a biscuit on my

3246
03:28:51,330 --> 03:28:51,660
birthday.

3247
03:28:53,730 --> 03:28:54,450
You've got

3248
03:28:55,500 --> 03:28:55,950
mocha

3249
03:28:57,930 --> 03:29:04,170
we got $36.03 from shazier value
for value for Episode 63 great

3250
03:29:04,170 --> 03:29:09,330
so far. Thank you hope you're
loving 64 sam smock 36 doing the

3251
03:29:09,330 --> 03:29:12,510
business of doing the work. Sam
says thank you, Sam Vince

3252
03:29:12,510 --> 03:29:16,260
Tilman. 3333 the magic numbers
great podcast looking forward to

3253
03:29:16,260 --> 03:29:20,250
part number two. Here we are and
we thank you for supporting the

3254
03:29:20,250 --> 03:29:24,540
booth 3333 Rona Mo, and please
didn't beat me.

3255
03:29:26,160 --> 03:29:31,800
Congratulations. You're no
longer a dead v i love how that

3256
03:29:31,800 --> 03:29:36,180
works. rownum Oh Rogan no agenda
mo facts love the show please

3257
03:29:36,180 --> 03:29:37,440
keep doing the work.

3258
03:29:39,210 --> 03:29:44,130
modes karma is that oh yeah mode
karma is maybe mo facts for the

3259
03:29:44,130 --> 03:29:48,240
goat Yeah, Mo facts. Milk calm.
Yeah. And D booth is a fellow

3260
03:29:48,270 --> 03:29:51,840
aviator in Vegas. Well very good
tailwinds to you.

3261
03:29:57,210 --> 03:29:57,960
You would live or

3262
03:29:59,610 --> 03:29:59,970
die.

3263
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,160
Gaskill again 3333. And God says
Happy Birthday Morocco. When was

3264
03:30:05,160 --> 03:30:10,320
Morocco his birthday? His
birthday was June 15. Okay, he's

3265
03:30:10,320 --> 03:30:13,200
one years old now who was
keeping track of that? Just

3266
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:16,740
dodged? No, Rocco. Personally,
actually, I'll put it on

3267
03:30:16,740 --> 03:30:17,100
Twitter.

3268
03:30:18,359 --> 03:30:23,849
The gram. I'm so happy as Rocco
had any date yet? No, he hasn't.

3269
03:30:23,849 --> 03:30:25,259
But uh, we are

3270
03:30:26,550 --> 03:30:30,630
exploring his options now. Yeah,
I love this. I love this. This

3271
03:30:30,630 --> 03:30:33,030
hustle you set up with your
family. Hey, you guys want a

3272
03:30:33,030 --> 03:30:37,290
dog? It's great. You know,
mostly extra income. Very nice.

3273
03:30:38,070 --> 03:30:42,420
I love your job right here.
That's right. Daniel white. Also

3274
03:30:42,420 --> 03:30:45,540
the magic number 3333. Michelle
waiting and patiently for the

3275
03:30:45,540 --> 03:30:48,450
next episode. Summertime and the
living is easy. Thanks for all

3276
03:30:48,450 --> 03:30:52,020
you do. Mon Adam love is lit.
And here we are Daniel Sorry for

3277
03:30:52,020 --> 03:30:56,670
the delay. Ray Aaron $33. Moe,
thank you for the great podcast.

3278
03:30:56,670 --> 03:30:59,430
I learned something new each
time I listen. I found you

3279
03:30:59,430 --> 03:31:02,730
through no agenda. Both podcasts
really complement each other and

3280
03:31:02,730 --> 03:31:05,370
help listeners make sense of
this crazy world we're living

3281
03:31:05,370 --> 03:31:08,820
in. That's Ray in New Mexico.
Thank you Ray. It helps us to

3282
03:31:08,820 --> 03:31:13,980
believe it or not exactly the
same way. Derek Burch $30.38.

3283
03:31:13,980 --> 03:31:17,970
Thank you Adam and more recently
mo for doing the hard work of

3284
03:31:17,970 --> 03:31:22,020
raising the next generation. I'm
42 and I try to spend my free

3285
03:31:22,020 --> 03:31:24,270
time with my nephew and my
friends kids. I feel the

3286
03:31:24,270 --> 03:31:27,690
importance of positive male
energy is often absent or talked

3287
03:31:27,690 --> 03:31:30,060
about dismissively in the
conversation these days.

3288
03:31:31,290 --> 03:31:33,780
I look forward to joining the
ranks of strong men and

3289
03:31:33,780 --> 03:31:37,830
homeowners one day through my
crypto holdings although having

3290
03:31:37,830 --> 03:31:41,070
a white podcast sidekick like
Adam is my dream to

3291
03:31:42,660 --> 03:31:47,550
I'm available for all your
podcast. Love the YouTube live

3292
03:31:47,550 --> 03:31:49,110
streams please D dead beat me.

3293
03:31:51,030 --> 03:31:56,940
Congratulations. You're no
longer dead beat. Thanks Derek.

3294
03:31:57,390 --> 03:32:01,770
Care. Carlene dear embarrass
Carolyn dieren Berg, I'm pretty

3295
03:32:01,770 --> 03:32:04,440
sure she's Dutch. I think I've
seen her around on the Twitter's

3296
03:32:04,440 --> 03:32:07,470
and the DMS $30 do your mo and
Adam thank you for all the time

3297
03:32:07,470 --> 03:32:10,350
and work you put into these
episodes. May there be many more

3298
03:32:10,350 --> 03:32:15,240
to follow. You've given me so
many insights and already made

3299
03:32:15,240 --> 03:32:20,850
me think so much love and light
Carol Carlene from Amsterdam was

3300
03:32:20,850 --> 03:32:25,140
right $25 from Michael Myers,
Mike Stroh here, keep up the

3301
03:32:25,140 --> 03:32:27,810
great work love the podcast.
Love you, Mike. Thanks, john

3302
03:32:27,810 --> 03:32:28,770
cornforth.

3303
03:32:30,330 --> 03:32:34,110
Now, let me see he has a Lincoln
here, pull up just lost my

3304
03:32:34,110 --> 03:32:34,530
place.

3305
03:32:35,640 --> 03:32:39,690
He has a link in here to a 10
minute interview, which he gave

3306
03:32:39,690 --> 03:32:42,330
in April, he was in Tampa got
involved with the Trump boat.

3307
03:32:42,330 --> 03:32:47,070
Did you see this? I did not. I
did not. Okay. Haven't had

3308
03:32:47,070 --> 03:32:50,790
chance to watch it yet. So he
was traveling on the mainland to

3309
03:32:50,790 --> 03:32:53,760
spring in an attempt to
experience normalcy after a year

3310
03:32:53,760 --> 03:32:57,120
of Hawaii flattening the curve
for 15 days. Yeah, I visited

3311
03:32:57,120 --> 03:33:00,060
Alaska, Florida and Texas. I
went where I wanted. When I

3312
03:33:00,060 --> 03:33:02,370
wanted like a freedom loving
American. The highlight of my

3313
03:33:02,370 --> 03:33:05,310
adventure was attending my first
gun show in Tampa. It was a

3314
03:33:05,310 --> 03:33:08,580
world class super spreader event
with 1000s of unmasked Americans

3315
03:33:08,580 --> 03:33:11,580
from all backgrounds, colors and
genders, getting along well

3316
03:33:11,580 --> 03:33:14,490
exercising their second
amendment rights. This is the

3317
03:33:14,490 --> 03:33:17,730
society I grew up in and want to
be a part of. I finished my trip

3318
03:33:17,730 --> 03:33:22,050
with 24 hours in Seattle, and
that city can go eff itself. I

3319
03:33:22,050 --> 03:33:24,750
appreciate your tragic but
enlightening take on Maxine

3320
03:33:24,750 --> 03:33:27,810
Waters district and the over
sexualization of young girls in

3321
03:33:27,810 --> 03:33:31,500
Episode 63. I knew things were
bad, but when you shared what

3322
03:33:31,500 --> 03:33:34,560
you shared was truly horrifying.
I always appreciate your

3323
03:33:34,560 --> 03:33:37,170
perspective about what is
actually going on in our

3324
03:33:37,170 --> 03:33:42,720
society. Aloha, mahalo john.
Thank you $25 from Arliss did

3325
03:33:42,720 --> 03:33:47,250
Jenna mo You broke my heart and
exploded my mind with the whap

3326
03:33:47,250 --> 03:33:51,030
episode I am so disgusted with
Maxine Waters horrific content,

3327
03:33:51,240 --> 03:33:57,120
comment to the to M to the MDS,
Megan the stallion illustrated

3328
03:33:57,120 --> 03:33:59,790
by your choice selection of
clips. Thank you. I think a lot

3329
03:33:59,790 --> 03:34:03,570
of people have that had to stop
and think about some of that.

3330
03:34:04,650 --> 03:34:09,030
Adrian Magnusson white $25
Thanks mo nada que of the work

3331
03:34:09,030 --> 03:34:12,120
educating all of those who
continue to care and to listen.

3332
03:34:12,120 --> 03:34:16,290
Best wishes. Adrian and Sarah
Magnussen want Daniel Fletcher

3333
03:34:16,290 --> 03:34:20,310
$25 overdue for past shows Happy
Fourth of July man Thank you.

3334
03:34:21,720 --> 03:34:26,820
Top Notch tech consulting love
those guys. Pick one all or none

3335
03:34:26,820 --> 03:34:30,600
free taxicab tech airport rise
is an ad that slipped slipped in

3336
03:34:31,020 --> 03:34:37,530
today room service guru we share
okay. Hit him up at at top notch

3337
03:34:37,560 --> 03:34:39,570
on Twitter keep on pushing.

3338
03:34:41,460 --> 03:34:46,200
Alright it says sometimes it
works like that to $20 from mer

3339
03:34:46,230 --> 03:34:49,740
McKinnon from North Dakota. You
guys are so awesome. so grateful

3340
03:34:49,740 --> 03:34:53,010
that found the show. I lost my
biz with a lockdown and you had

3341
03:34:53,010 --> 03:34:55,710
no agenda. It really helped me
keep my sanity this past year.

3342
03:34:56,370 --> 03:35:00,000
Thank you, Paul elevado $20 and
says peace thanks

3343
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:07,470
cue. Clinton is mo replacing JC
D is Adams handler with a $20

3344
03:35:07,470 --> 03:35:07,830
note.

3345
03:35:09,599 --> 03:35:12,149
I think it's just a fine
addition as far as I'm

3346
03:35:12,149 --> 03:35:16,259
concerned, you know, you got to
have an easy transition. Sanja

3347
03:35:16,259 --> 03:35:20,909
Rose $20 and Sonia says I have a
quandary. I went to an interview

3348
03:35:20,909 --> 03:35:23,549
today at a company that I
thought was very interesting and

3349
03:35:23,549 --> 03:35:26,789
I like their business model in
many respects as a concept but

3350
03:35:27,119 --> 03:35:29,429
even though they are desperate
for folks with my customer

3351
03:35:29,429 --> 03:35:32,819
advocacy, sales, marketing and
business development experience,

3352
03:35:32,999 --> 03:35:35,789
I will begin at an entry level
position with the commute of

3353
03:35:35,789 --> 03:35:38,309
over an hour to and from and
would make about a third of the

3354
03:35:38,309 --> 03:35:41,249
income I'm worth if I accepted
the position. there's ample

3355
03:35:41,249 --> 03:35:43,889
opportunity for upward mobility
in one to two years the kids

3356
03:35:43,889 --> 03:35:46,679
think I should give it a shot
and I really miss working What

3357
03:35:46,679 --> 03:35:47,429
will you do?

3358
03:35:49,680 --> 03:35:51,090
I've thought about this.

3359
03:35:52,290 --> 03:35:53,970
I think you need to do what
makes you happy.

3360
03:35:55,020 --> 03:35:58,740
That's what I was saying. That's
that's if it's if it's not if

3361
03:35:58,740 --> 03:36:00,660
it's not feeling right then it's
not right.

3362
03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:05,580
I think that's the best advice
if you're not okay, where you're

3363
03:36:05,580 --> 03:36:07,140
never be okay with things is
true.

3364
03:36:08,190 --> 03:36:13,380
Mark Kudrow ski, we received $20
from Mark I'm from white boy or

3365
03:36:13,410 --> 03:36:16,110
Bear Lake. Yeah, White Bear Lake
Minnesota.

3366
03:36:17,850 --> 03:36:21,060
Expect a monthly donation
because your podcast is

3367
03:36:21,060 --> 03:36:26,100
invaluable. Thank you. We'd love
hearing about the value. Malcolm

3368
03:36:26,100 --> 03:36:28,440
Riley $20 ask for a D dead
beating.

3369
03:36:29,940 --> 03:36:36,150
Congratulation, you you're no
longer dead v. Dan 1111 from

3370
03:36:36,150 --> 03:36:39,690
anonymous from Northern Virginia
anonymous. Jay. Thank you both

3371
03:36:39,690 --> 03:36:43,560
Ernest Ben Guam, Benioff,
Benoit. Sending another x in

3372
03:36:43,560 --> 03:36:47,040
Malcolm's honor and looking
forward to part two of whap

3373
03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:50,130
Thank you for your courage. Keep
the PMA the positive mental

3374
03:36:50,130 --> 03:36:56,400
attitude sir Ernesto $10 $10.
from Robert O'Donnell Great job

3375
03:36:56,400 --> 03:37:01,140
guys. doing the work. Back keep
bringing the content says on a j

3376
03:37:01,170 --> 03:37:04,410
with $10 Jacob Wallace 10
appreciate the great

3377
03:37:04,410 --> 03:37:09,870
information. Shawn to Santas. 10
and a thank you. Aram Adam for

3378
03:37:09,870 --> 03:37:14,340
stayton or Aram for stegeman my
Dutch always slips into your mo

3379
03:37:14,340 --> 03:37:17,280
and Adam thank you for the
endless mind blowing facts.

3380
03:37:17,520 --> 03:37:21,570
Here's another EXA that we so
that together we can he'll stay

3381
03:37:21,570 --> 03:37:24,840
woke PS. When will we learn
about the mark of the beast?

3382
03:37:25,350 --> 03:37:25,770
Well,

3383
03:37:27,750 --> 03:37:30,570
it may be I think it's already
been distributed to a lot of

3384
03:37:30,570 --> 03:37:34,290
people. PPS Maxine Waters was 33
Oh yes.

3385
03:37:36,210 --> 03:37:38,850
We were doing some racist math
when we mo we were

3386
03:37:40,350 --> 03:37:45,330
being racist because Matt has
more than one answer. So check

3387
03:37:45,330 --> 03:37:49,890
your priveledge please do that.
Exactly. It's not wrong if you

3388
03:37:49,890 --> 03:37:53,490
show how you did it. Okay. You
see how dangerous that is? I'm

3389
03:37:53,490 --> 03:37:56,160
just gonna my ears listen this
in a nutshell.

3390
03:37:58,170 --> 03:38:01,440
We can have more than one answer
for a math problem. That's very

3391
03:38:01,620 --> 03:38:02,760
good appear so yeah.

3392
03:38:03,930 --> 03:38:08,910
Thank you. kiram David Aquaman
$9 value for value for Episode

3393
03:38:08,910 --> 03:38:13,380
63. gbg says Josiah Hendrickson,
good blacks guns.

3394
03:38:14,460 --> 03:38:18,270
always loved that Vincent Ferro
or forelle love in the insight

3395
03:38:18,270 --> 03:38:23,700
$5.55 a cult fan, Mo and Adam
saying this donation on June 6

3396
03:38:23,700 --> 03:38:27,720
happy occult fan day. Thank you
for your courage is 444 in honor

3397
03:38:27,720 --> 03:38:30,540
of the amount of time Boston was
locked down which is now opened

3398
03:38:30,540 --> 03:38:33,690
up we are interment
interdimensional people with

3399
03:38:33,720 --> 03:38:36,960
immortal soul so let's learn to
use magic instead of being

3400
03:38:36,990 --> 03:38:38,700
beaten about by those who do.

3401
03:38:40,860 --> 03:38:43,680
That's interesting take
ignorance never saved anyone

3402
03:38:43,680 --> 03:38:48,180
happy a cult day fat once more
out of cold fan day once more 15

3403
03:38:48,180 --> 03:38:51,060
years since a cold fan was
created. And that is sir Nathan

3404
03:38:51,060 --> 03:38:53,910
Lee. He sends me lots of very
interesting stuff. Thank you.

3405
03:38:54,030 --> 03:38:57,540
Yes, he has a lot of he has a
lot of insights, if you want to

3406
03:38:57,540 --> 03:39:01,440
talk about magic and stuff he
knows. And then finally, Terry,

3407
03:39:01,440 --> 03:39:04,920
the human subscription killer is
still waiting for the

3408
03:39:05,550 --> 03:39:08,940
subscription options will not
give up. And we see you there

3409
03:39:08,940 --> 03:39:13,680
and we appreciate you for 11 to
the mo faxes Adam Curry Episode

3410
03:39:13,680 --> 03:39:17,190
64 thank you all for producing
this is highly appreciated. We

3411
03:39:17,190 --> 03:39:20,130
only ask for your time, your
talent, your treasure, it always

3412
03:39:20,130 --> 03:39:23,460
comes in in beautiful ways. If
you're doing the treasure part,

3413
03:39:23,490 --> 03:39:27,210
whatever you do, just make it
meaningful to you. That will

3414
03:39:27,210 --> 03:39:30,330
make it extremely meaningful to
us. So please support us for the

3415
03:39:30,330 --> 03:39:34,050
next episode. I think we won't
wait quite as long we're getting

3416
03:39:34,050 --> 03:39:35,460
back on some schedules here.

3417
03:39:36,990 --> 03:39:42,450
That'll be Episode 65. And to
support us for that, go to mo

3418
03:39:42,450 --> 03:39:47,400
facts.com or directly to the
donation link mo fund me.com.

3419
03:39:47,610 --> 03:39:53,760
And please consider listening to
us on a podcasting 2.0 app which

3420
03:39:53,790 --> 03:39:57,180
does give you an extra feature
our man Dred Scott puts in

3421
03:39:57,180 --> 03:40:00,000
chapters and links for every
single time

3422
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:03,330
Topic now it takes a little bit
from to get it done after the

3423
03:40:03,330 --> 03:40:06,480
fact. But Wow, it is so
beautiful when you view this

3424
03:40:06,480 --> 03:40:10,110
with, with different art pieces
of artwork changing. It's

3425
03:40:10,110 --> 03:40:14,430
something to be to be looked at
and you can send us a Bitcoin in

3426
03:40:14,430 --> 03:40:15,060
real time.

3427
03:40:16,170 --> 03:40:18,570
That'll be new podcast apps
calm. Thanks again, everybody

3428
03:40:18,570 --> 03:40:20,580
for sponsoring mo facts with
Adam Curry.

3429
03:40:22,500 --> 03:40:26,610
Alright, so I got to give Miss
Lin Neva knee, a little history

3430
03:40:26,610 --> 03:40:31,830
lesson about the Montgomery Bus
Boycott. Not disrespect. But if

3431
03:40:31,830 --> 03:40:34,290
you're going to tell the facts,
you got to tell him correctly.

3432
03:40:34,320 --> 03:40:38,520
And she said that a lady that
she mentioned was pulling the

3433
03:40:38,520 --> 03:40:42,330
strings and out of bronze that
she did the brains and the

3434
03:40:42,360 --> 03:40:47,580
bronze behind the boys bus
boycotts. Not exactly. We've

3435
03:40:47,580 --> 03:40:52,470
talked about the daughters of
Virginia during her husband. On

3436
03:40:52,470 --> 03:40:57,570
the episode we talked about Rosa
Parks, which sets my mind. But

3437
03:40:57,600 --> 03:40:58,170
um,

3438
03:40:59,910 --> 03:41:03,150
so now we have to really dig
into it. Because just, I'm using

3439
03:41:03,150 --> 03:41:06,960
this to prove a point that if
you're going to go, if you're

3440
03:41:06,960 --> 03:41:10,980
going to get dig go way down the
rabbit hole. So now we have to

3441
03:41:10,980 --> 03:41:16,860
look at the doors of Montgomery
one. What I remember is just

3442
03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:20,400
what a mesmerizing storyteller
she was.

3443
03:41:22,590 --> 03:41:25,920
We had done research on the
southern conference for human

3444
03:41:25,920 --> 03:41:29,790
welfare and that anti poll tax
campaign and so on.

3445
03:41:30,840 --> 03:41:36,870
That, but Virginia really wanted
to talk about was a much more

3446
03:41:36,870 --> 03:41:43,860
personal story. And it was a
story about how a young woman

3447
03:41:43,890 --> 03:41:49,080
growing up in the circumstances
she was in, learn to think in a

3448
03:41:49,080 --> 03:41:53,550
certain way about race and class
and have certain sets of

3449
03:41:53,550 --> 03:42:00,690
expectations and ideals. And
then how the world began to

3450
03:42:01,020 --> 03:42:06,360
change around her. And she
gradually woke up to a different

3451
03:42:06,360 --> 03:42:07,980
way of looking at the world

3452
03:42:09,540 --> 03:42:17,100
was a story about the making of
a traditional Southern lady and

3453
03:42:17,130 --> 03:42:18,000
unmaking

3454
03:42:19,260 --> 03:42:23,310
and re education of a southern
woman.

3455
03:42:26,040 --> 03:42:28,530
I that I go way back yonder,
that and tell you who the

3456
03:42:28,530 --> 03:42:31,410
granddaddy was, we will start
with reconstruction.

3457
03:42:34,560 --> 03:42:39,270
So Virginia under she was known
as a great storyteller.

3458
03:42:41,100 --> 03:42:44,730
Rosa Parks worked as a senior
seamstress for her her husband,

3459
03:42:45,090 --> 03:42:49,200
her husband was a lawyer at the
time. And so we're going to get

3460
03:42:49,200 --> 03:42:54,540
into the past of Virginia under
examine her motives for getting

3461
03:42:54,540 --> 03:42:59,280
involved in the civil rights
movement, which it wasn't even a

3462
03:42:59,280 --> 03:43:02,760
civil rights movement at a time
when she got involved down at

3463
03:43:02,760 --> 03:43:06,870
Montgomery. So what we have to
do now is go back and look at

3464
03:43:06,900 --> 03:43:10,500
her background. Any comments
before we get into next clip?

3465
03:43:10,500 --> 03:43:14,490
No, no, I'm following along.
Alright, 38.

3466
03:43:17,010 --> 03:43:20,940
My great grandfather married a
woman named Hannah Johnston.

3467
03:43:21,210 --> 03:43:24,150
Anyway, they still established
themselves in millions brains,

3468
03:43:24,150 --> 03:43:28,200
and he was adopted. And they
lived in great style. My

3469
03:43:28,200 --> 03:43:33,150
recollection is that when I
first remember the plantation,

3470
03:43:33,450 --> 03:43:38,250
they owned about 35,000 acres of
land, which was a lot of one has

3471
03:43:38,250 --> 03:43:41,340
remembered that in Alabama,
there hadn't been a lot of big

3472
03:43:41,340 --> 03:43:44,730
plantations, most plantations
were small, they were four or

3473
03:43:44,730 --> 03:43:49,140
500 acres, 600 acres, 700 acres.
And unlike that, foster

3474
03:43:49,140 --> 03:43:54,990
plantations were 1000s and 1000s
of acres. I mean is it just

3475
03:43:55,350 --> 03:43:59,580
absolutely boggles the mind to
think the wealth and power of

3476
03:43:59,580 --> 03:44:00,480
the foster family.

3477
03:44:05,100 --> 03:44:06,390
What happened during

3478
03:44:07,770 --> 03:44:10,050
the Civil War, it was

3479
03:44:11,580 --> 03:44:14,280
just so crazy, you know, hate

3480
03:44:15,660 --> 03:44:20,550
passes into the swamps, and I
loved them dearly. And I bought

3481
03:44:20,550 --> 03:44:26,340
a PC on the remaining tradition
of the slave system being

3482
03:44:26,340 --> 03:44:26,970
benevolent.

3483
03:44:28,260 --> 03:44:30,840
In the late 19th, early 20th
century, when Virginia was

3484
03:44:30,840 --> 03:44:33,870
growing up, there is this
invention of the plantation

3485
03:44:33,870 --> 03:44:37,710
south and the myth of this
wonderful era where African

3486
03:44:37,710 --> 03:44:40,920
Americans were happy being
subordinate, where white women

3487
03:44:40,920 --> 03:44:43,920
were happy being subordinate,
and white men were able to

3488
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:46,530
provide everything that
everybody needed, without

3489
03:44:46,530 --> 03:44:49,680
actually having to work very
hard. This partition myth of

3490
03:44:49,680 --> 03:44:53,910
somehow this this ideal position
in the past is

3491
03:44:54,930 --> 03:44:58,380
a fiction. I mean, it's when you
say it like that. It has to be a

3492
03:44:58,380 --> 03:44:59,970
fiction. It can be anything but

3493
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:00,660
infection.

3494
03:45:02,370 --> 03:45:05,850
This is a fascinating period. I
know so little so little about

3495
03:45:05,850 --> 03:45:08,070
and I'm waiting for the real
because of where they know Rosa

3496
03:45:08,070 --> 03:45:12,300
by know the Rosa Parks story.
And well, what really came

3497
03:45:12,300 --> 03:45:15,030
before Rosa Parks so I'm
interested how it all ties in.

3498
03:45:15,240 --> 03:45:18,600
Oh, you would never know much
about this period. Because it's

3499
03:45:18,600 --> 03:45:22,770
so pivotal to American history.
It's shrouded and nothing but

3500
03:45:22,770 --> 03:45:26,910
narrative. Yeah, nothing. I
mean, that's black people you

3501
03:45:26,910 --> 03:45:31,050
about you were sold. That was
it. But enter Eleanor Roosevelt

3502
03:45:31,050 --> 03:45:34,590
had a big role in all of this
somehow. Right. And

3503
03:45:37,140 --> 03:45:42,150
her and other people as well.
But just to get Virginia der

3504
03:45:42,150 --> 03:45:47,040
where she was originally from
Virginia Foster, and her foster

3505
03:45:47,040 --> 03:45:51,780
family, as you heard a man say
the average the average

3506
03:45:51,840 --> 03:45:57,510
plantation was about 500 1000s
and 1000s 35,000.

3507
03:45:59,130 --> 03:46:03,060
Now just saying how many slaves
you got to have, and work a

3508
03:46:03,060 --> 03:46:07,530
35,000 acre plantation, and she
comes from the romantic

3509
03:46:07,530 --> 03:46:12,750
tradition of slavery, or she was
very much a aristocratic

3510
03:46:14,280 --> 03:46:21,390
Southern woman. Um, so just for
perspective, we always had that

3511
03:46:21,390 --> 03:46:26,730
clip Massa speaks with the slave
masters talking about how black

3512
03:46:26,730 --> 03:46:29,580
people were like children and
all of that. That was from the

3513
03:46:29,580 --> 03:46:35,970
heritage of slavery, Fannie Lou
Hamer, and Lauren Bennett. So I

3514
03:46:35,970 --> 03:46:39,060
have been saving this clip the
top from the time I clip that,

3515
03:46:39,330 --> 03:46:44,760
and this is Mrs. And speaks. But
underneath the graciousness old

3516
03:46:44,760 --> 03:46:48,960
relationships are often found
intact. descendants of slaves

3517
03:46:49,050 --> 03:46:54,090
work for descendants of slave
owners, Mrs. Lana leg retains

3518
03:46:54,090 --> 03:46:58,020
the tone of a path to see
cherishes. So Daisy was my

3519
03:46:58,020 --> 03:47:03,150
little play me, my me and my
friend, and the daughter of

3520
03:47:03,660 --> 03:47:05,850
Katherine, who was a cook that
we are doing.

3521
03:47:07,050 --> 03:47:13,170
And so, all those years, we
played together, and everyone

3522
03:47:13,170 --> 03:47:17,820
was happy. We never heard of all
these things we hear about

3523
03:47:17,820 --> 03:47:23,190
today. And they were nearly 100
enormous race plantation, with

3524
03:47:23,190 --> 03:47:27,360
many animals around and
beautiful house and I bought 100

3525
03:47:27,360 --> 03:47:28,470
colored people there.

3526
03:47:29,490 --> 03:47:31,920
When we love them, they were
friends.

3527
03:47:33,150 --> 03:47:36,750
And then it's no disgrace to see
they're like children when we

3528
03:47:36,750 --> 03:47:38,040
say when we see that.

3529
03:47:39,210 --> 03:47:42,360
It's because they are like happy
children. Some of them

3530
03:47:44,880 --> 03:47:48,420
like to sit in the sun, rather
than work hard.

3531
03:47:51,600 --> 03:47:52,770
And they'd rather

3532
03:47:54,210 --> 03:47:58,920
work play than work. If you
could, would you paint a picture

3533
03:47:58,920 --> 03:48:02,010
for us of what it was like on
the plantation in your early

3534
03:48:02,010 --> 03:48:07,860
days. It was a lovely happy time
living in open spaces. With many

3535
03:48:07,980 --> 03:48:14,010
lovely colored people and
animals and flowers and fields.

3536
03:48:14,760 --> 03:48:18,240
My father had everything without
a braid from the pigs, horses,

3537
03:48:18,240 --> 03:48:20,730
the dogs, and the people had to
be thoroughbred

3538
03:48:22,230 --> 03:48:25,740
man good times. thoroughbred
people

3539
03:48:28,410 --> 03:48:31,770
this is where that primitive
people narrative cows from from

3540
03:48:31,770 --> 03:48:33,030
the Midlands and Harlem

3541
03:48:34,200 --> 03:48:38,130
they're happy they just want to
get out in the sunshine and sing

3542
03:48:38,130 --> 03:48:42,000
and dance and we have to be with
the other animals over and over.

3543
03:48:42,630 --> 03:48:45,540
Yeah, we just had we have the
governor I mean yeah, but

3544
03:48:45,540 --> 03:48:48,900
doesn't do anything. They won't
do anything. They'll just sit in

3545
03:48:48,900 --> 03:48:55,770
the sun. Right What would they
do and and this is where okay

3546
03:48:56,820 --> 03:49:00,240
the princess in the frog? I
don't know if you familiar that

3547
03:49:00,240 --> 03:49:03,510
movie or not. But that's that's
the black princess but one thing

3548
03:49:03,630 --> 03:49:09,120
is a lot of problematic means is
going on here with modern modern

3549
03:49:09,660 --> 03:49:14,070
movies. And one of them being in
that it was big daddy. Remember

3550
03:49:14,070 --> 03:49:17,040
Big Daddy was the white man and
he I don't know what the hell he

3551
03:49:17,040 --> 03:49:20,070
did but he was just big daddy
had all the money and his

3552
03:49:20,070 --> 03:49:23,280
daughter and play with here you
know saying and she didn't

3553
03:49:23,940 --> 03:49:25,950
really have to take life
seriously cuz she had it all

3554
03:49:25,950 --> 03:49:28,620
figured out big Daddy's gonna
figure it out for Big Daddy on

3555
03:49:28,620 --> 03:49:31,650
the plantation. Hello. Exactly.
The

3556
03:49:32,970 --> 03:49:37,200
mouse movie. FYI, another mouse
gotta go.

3557
03:49:39,030 --> 03:49:42,390
But with that said, Now we got
to go back to Virginia and dirt

3558
03:49:42,390 --> 03:49:46,140
just give you some perspective
of the plantation life and

3559
03:49:47,220 --> 03:49:51,600
the happy go lucky slave
mentality and the romantic

3560
03:49:51,630 --> 03:49:55,200
history of slavery. So now let's
go back to Virginia under this

3561
03:49:55,200 --> 03:49:59,700
plantation myth of somehow this
this ideal position in the past.

3562
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:00,600
is

3563
03:50:01,620 --> 03:50:05,070
a fiction. I mean, it's when you
say it like that it has to be a

3564
03:50:05,070 --> 03:50:08,970
fiction, it can be anything but
a fiction. The only part that

3565
03:50:08,970 --> 03:50:12,210
fits is if you look at this
through the eyes of children.

3566
03:50:12,840 --> 03:50:17,130
And my grandmother, I remember,
she died when I was about eight.

3567
03:50:17,130 --> 03:50:22,650
So I remember there was named,
she had married when she was 15.

3568
03:50:23,100 --> 03:50:26,040
And she had, you know, she was
like a queen bee, you know what

3569
03:50:26,040 --> 03:50:29,520
I mean? She had always been
surrounded by servants or

3570
03:50:29,520 --> 03:50:33,090
slaves. And she never had
anything in her life, but just

3571
03:50:33,090 --> 03:50:37,950
be charming. And she was very,
like a charm. For grandmothers

3572
03:50:37,980 --> 03:50:41,520
lived in a world which had gone
through the trauma of the Civil

3573
03:50:41,520 --> 03:50:44,460
War, the trauma of
reconstruction, the trauma of

3574
03:50:44,460 --> 03:50:49,770
racial change of emancipation.
But by the time her grandmother

3575
03:50:49,770 --> 03:50:53,160
reaches her maturity, or her
grandmother lived in a world of

3576
03:50:53,190 --> 03:50:57,900
the reconstruction of the social
order, so you go from slavery to

3577
03:50:57,900 --> 03:51:01,710
slavery by another name, which
is sharecropping, having people

3578
03:51:01,710 --> 03:51:05,070
working there who had been
descendants of slaves, probably

3579
03:51:05,160 --> 03:51:10,620
living on the plantation, very
comfortable, secure, and

3580
03:51:10,620 --> 03:51:13,680
romantic world. And to her that
was the ideal of Southern

3581
03:51:13,680 --> 03:51:18,270
womanhood to have the life of,
of the lady of the plantation

3582
03:51:18,270 --> 03:51:22,470
really. And even when she talked
about it later in life, it was

3583
03:51:22,470 --> 03:51:26,010
this great happiness. I mean,
because it was early on, and of

3584
03:51:26,010 --> 03:51:28,110
course, he came to oppose
everything that that world

3585
03:51:28,470 --> 03:51:29,640
represented, but

3586
03:51:30,780 --> 03:51:33,390
but it was a formative part of
her life.

3587
03:51:34,830 --> 03:51:39,000
I like the queen bee reference.
Yeah, well, that. That's that's

3588
03:51:39,480 --> 03:51:43,530
the point right there. If the
queen bee is a meme in itself,

3589
03:51:43,800 --> 03:51:48,120
that if you see you think about
it, a woman in America that has

3590
03:51:48,180 --> 03:51:51,630
all Maine has people around her
her pampering her painting her

3591
03:51:51,630 --> 03:51:54,630
fingernails or toenails and
doing her bidding, and she has

3592
03:51:54,630 --> 03:51:59,910
an assistant and a maid and, and
a butler. And so this is, this

3593
03:51:59,910 --> 03:52:01,530
is what we aspire to. Right?

3594
03:52:03,030 --> 03:52:08,010
Exactly. Do we call queen bee?
No. Ah, all of the reality show

3595
03:52:08,010 --> 03:52:10,680
the same thing. That's when you
really made it when you have

3596
03:52:10,680 --> 03:52:14,100
these people just prepping and
pampering you and every beck and

3597
03:52:14,100 --> 03:52:14,760
call.

3598
03:52:15,810 --> 03:52:19,800
This is actually actually it's
one thing to have Pieper people

3599
03:52:19,800 --> 03:52:23,700
pampering you, and having them
there for your beck and call.

3600
03:52:24,630 --> 03:52:29,520
Having a reality show is one
step above that. But in a weird

3601
03:52:29,520 --> 03:52:33,090
way, most people who have the
reality show really aren't like

3602
03:52:33,090 --> 03:52:36,540
that at all. They're really
quite pathetic. It's a whole

3603
03:52:36,570 --> 03:52:40,140
thing, though. Yeah, of course.
I understand. Yes. That's why

3604
03:52:40,230 --> 03:52:42,630
that's why it's your hits.

3605
03:52:43,770 --> 03:52:48,060
And then if you want to go to
you know, get back to Game of

3606
03:52:48,060 --> 03:52:52,350
Thrones. This was the narrative
around Khaleesi I think her name

3607
03:52:52,350 --> 03:52:57,930
was denarius. Targaryen the fair
haired mother the dragons. This

3608
03:52:57,930 --> 03:53:00,690
white woman with her grand
dragons. Yeah.

3609
03:53:02,730 --> 03:53:04,710
That was the power behind her
really.

3610
03:53:07,110 --> 03:53:11,940
She birthed the grand dragon
again, again, I have to say mo I

3611
03:53:11,940 --> 03:53:17,010
did not watch Game of Thrones. I
had other things to do. No, but

3612
03:53:17,010 --> 03:53:19,890
I'm just saying but that's the
main behind her. There was even

3613
03:53:19,890 --> 03:53:24,180
a picture of her with a she's
being lifted up by all these

3614
03:53:25,500 --> 03:53:30,510
colored people, people of color.
And she's This is fair hair

3615
03:53:30,510 --> 03:53:33,600
maiden. And they're lifting and
passing her through the crowd

3616
03:53:33,600 --> 03:53:37,440
and she's the great emancipator.
Now don't let this stuff slip

3617
03:53:37,440 --> 03:53:40,530
Pat they put this in for us she
caught a lot of heat with Game

3618
03:53:41,280 --> 03:53:43,920
of Thrones caught a lot of heat
for for

3619
03:53:45,360 --> 03:53:48,090
for doing it. Yeah, cuz it
wasn't lost on people. The same

3620
03:53:48,090 --> 03:53:51,540
thing with the hell Okay, you
make a modern movie and it's not

3621
03:53:51,540 --> 03:53:56,310
the black women falling behind
white women. I mean, this this

3622
03:53:56,310 --> 03:53:59,490
is they push this mean and I
said I'm not being divisive.

3623
03:53:59,490 --> 03:54:04,230
What I'm saying is this what
sets the expectations for the

3624
03:54:04,230 --> 03:54:07,800
dealings between women which
really if

3625
03:54:09,300 --> 03:54:15,060
they will start shaming each
other or are shaming the right

3626
03:54:15,060 --> 03:54:19,230
people, the people that's
against humanity then we'll be

3627
03:54:19,230 --> 03:54:22,470
better off but they put these
people on a pedestal to be

3628
03:54:22,470 --> 03:54:24,360
worshipped by Gods or goddesses

3629
03:54:25,590 --> 03:54:30,480
always always a bad idea this
goes way too far with it that's

3630
03:54:30,480 --> 03:54:34,920
the real issue I have with it
that is is the the worship part

3631
03:54:34,920 --> 03:54:40,920
of it. And this thing trickles
down into a society which you

3632
03:54:40,920 --> 03:54:43,950
have young girls having me in
worship them and they call them

3633
03:54:43,950 --> 03:54:47,340
pay pigs, but that's another
story for another show. Um,

3634
03:54:48,210 --> 03:54:50,760
yeah, cuz they call it a
tithing. Yes, sure.

3635
03:54:52,290 --> 03:54:58,020
Crazy times. Um, so let's go
back to Virginia during now

3636
03:54:58,020 --> 03:54:59,970
we're gonna see why she was

3637
03:55:00,810 --> 03:55:01,950
Problem.

3638
03:55:03,389 --> 03:55:08,369
Her opponents, and what who was
the power behind her? For those

3639
03:55:08,369 --> 03:55:14,159
first few years 5152 53 they
have a relatively low profile in

3640
03:55:14,189 --> 03:55:17,639
Montgomery. And then quite out
of the blue, they're thrown into

3641
03:55:17,639 --> 03:55:22,589
the spotlight. Well, Virginia
his efforts to to be quiet. mean

3642
03:55:22,589 --> 03:55:29,459
her cover was blown in 1954. As
you know, the brown really is on

3643
03:55:29,459 --> 03:55:34,889
the horizon. And Senator James
eastland sees really through you

3644
03:55:34,889 --> 03:55:38,819
though black and the southern
progressives as a way to try to

3645
03:55:38,879 --> 03:55:43,619
smear a brown is some kind of
communist conspiracy. So

3646
03:55:43,619 --> 03:55:46,709
Virginia gets a subpoena to go
to New Orleans for hearing.

3647
03:55:48,120 --> 03:55:48,600
Now,

3648
03:55:51,330 --> 03:55:55,260
what social security cards have
you held since 1952?

3649
03:55:56,400 --> 03:55:59,880
declined to answer that question
on grounds previously state. In

3650
03:55:59,880 --> 03:56:05,070
1954 eastland, Senator from
Mississippi opens the first set

3651
03:56:05,070 --> 03:56:09,840
of hearings in the south in New
Orleans on this question of

3652
03:56:09,870 --> 03:56:13,230
communist infiltration of
various aspects of American life

3653
03:56:13,230 --> 03:56:14,790
and the US government.