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FAQs with Adam curry for
February 29 2020. This is

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episode number 27. Amo.

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I know Adam,

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I'm doing good man and apologies
to every buddy who's been

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listening. And that includes all
the producers for being a few

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days late this week. We just

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ran into some real life issues,
but we're back on track. Yeah.

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Now. I'm not quite sure we're
going to do next week because I

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leave for Los Angeles for a
couple of days do the Rogen show

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on Monday, so I won't be back
until Wednesday. So it may not

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be until Friday or Saturday next
week until we do it again. Okay,

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it

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will be on the same cycle it

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looks like so Yeah, something
like that. It'll shift but you

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know, we're still sticking with
I want to and how about it we

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get to do it on on Leap Day.

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No, not Leap Day. Isn't today is
Black History bonus?

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I should have known Yes. This is
a special Black History Month.

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Yes. Black we get.

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We get one. One more. almost a
month. One more day closer to

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moving on up mo Alma. One of
these days you guys will get a

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31 day month. I'm telling you
just stick with it.

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Maybe Maybe.

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All right. Lots of clips. lots
lots to get to today. Very

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excited to hear we're going to
do and for that. Of course we

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need to roll out the big wheel
of clips. Let's see what the

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topic will be. We're what are we
going to get the Oh, it's

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slowing down and what will we
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What happened to mini Mike?
Where's he many Mike has spent a

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fortune. There is no buddy I'd
rather run again. Then Little

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Mike, huh? We're going on
political today? I like it. Yes.

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Okay.

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My Bloomberg, you asked some
questions about my Bloomberg on

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the last show.

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Yeah, if he was a viable
candidate for for a DDoS.

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Right. So I found something that
I'm going to cover that but I

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found something even more
interesting is the billionaire

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beef between Donald Trump and
Michael Bloomberg.

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Yes, not discussed very much.
The mainstream doesn't like to

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show this because that would
discredit their possible white

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knight. So I'm glad you picked
some of

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this up. So in this show, what
we're going to do is compare and

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contrast the two against each
other and how the media covers

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covers the two in different
ways. So I guess we'll just jump

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right in with Trump and
Bloomberg used to be friends

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past President Trump attacks.
The Democrats battling fake them

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out in November. He's
increasingly targeting a fellow

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billionaire in New York. former
New York Mayor Michael

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Bloomberg,

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and the former mayor is fighting
right back soon as Brian Todd is

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here with more of Brian Trump
and Bloomberg. They share a very

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long history they do share a
long history with as Titanic

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power players in New York,
Donald Trump and Michael

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Bloomberg at various times
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they engaged socially and praise
each other for what each had

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done for the city. But they
split politically when Trump

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declared for president and
tonight it's clear that Donald

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Trump sees Michael Bloomberg as
a threat. Lucky's a lightweight,

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the way they talk about each
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been enemies

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for life. I am not afraid of
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But back in New York back in the
day, a different dynamic.

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And I have to say you have been
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have I mean, this guy is.

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That was in October 2013. Then
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Bloomberg and Donald Trump
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after Trump helped Bloomberg
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Bronx into a high end golf
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But if there's anybody that has
changed this city, it is Donald

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Trump, he really has done an
amazing thing. And this is

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another part of it, Donald,
thank you for your confidence.

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Analysts say that partnership
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genesis of their falling out
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Wolf Blitzer Trump took all the
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They took it over and got it
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it's a tremendous success.
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involved in it. Bloomberg

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thought that was an
exaggeration. His former aides

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thought that was an
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split between them.

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Oh, man. Oh, don't tell me this
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Being a billion dollar one, so
maybe it was a legend, a

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billionaire. So, right. You

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never know if you listen to

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the mainstream media, but so
what really intrigued me about

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this is you have two people that
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friends anymore, or were they
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each other? For what But they
could offer each other. So I

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think this will be a great
matchup

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in light of this Bloomberg did a
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which I watched, and, you know,
well, I'm just gonna withhold

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judgment. Because I, I learned a
couple things I didn't know. And

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I just saw some things that I
hadn't realized earlier. So I'm

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very curious to see where you
take us in this.

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Okay, so I mean, we can just
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But before then Donald Trump and
Michael Bloomberg appeared to

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get along, or at least found
each other useful. Trump back

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Bloomberg effort to run for a
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They golf together, Bloomberg
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Apprentice, and their daughters
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called born rich. But analysts
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York Business and philanthropy.

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In that world, it was Bloomberg
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Trump who was the one who was
always looking for acceptance

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and rarely getting it. During
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has longed for the approval of
the New York establishment. Mike

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Bloomberg was the New York
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the two are being compared and
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Yeah, that's interesting. I've
mentioned many times on no

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agenda show that I know this
type of guy, this type of guy

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that Trump is, who is I've been
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parties, not so much in New
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everywhere in the world. And
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the old money, the, you know,
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considered part of their part of
their circle, but they let the

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people in, you know, show
business because they're pretty,

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and they get attention and they
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rich people, even if they don't
like it and be like, okay, you

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know, we'll we'll let them hang
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Trump really wanted that
acceptance, most of these guys

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that I know. And also some women
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in those circles, and usually
don't get it. So that's just a

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personal experience.

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And what I find interesting is,
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background, you know, rich
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but Bloomberg is more accepted.
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you also have to understand the
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the difference between Manhattan
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well have a passport checkpoint,
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area does boroughs are perceived
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Okay, interesting. So, I guess
we'll just jump right into on

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clip three,

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both switched political parties
repeatedly, and were unexpected

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winners in their biggest
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billionaires. Although on the
Forbes list of the wealthiest

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Americans at the end of last
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eighth was $53.4 billion, while
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billion.

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They both named their businesses
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very wealthy people. But
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working class background and
Donald Trump, of course, heard a

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lot of money from his father to
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going forward, how nasty and
also Arsenal were another battle

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becomes,

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I think in a head to head
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Donald Trump will be nastier
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politics, perhaps in 100 years.
These these are two people who

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are not afraid to fight, and
they're not afraid to fight in a

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very personal way. No,

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it's a great time to be alive.

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And this is exactly why I want
to see this matchup Yeah, of

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course, it would be a beauty.
Bernie is Trump will be good

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too. But this one right here
will be great because they will

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let the words fly. And I just
want to see if you noticed the

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media threw some shade at Trump
by saying oh, he was number 250

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something on the list of
billionaires. Is this real? This

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real billionaire fake beard and
everything.

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And they just gonna say these
lists are such horse crap. I've

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been on these lists back when I
actually had a lot of money. And

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they would wild in my case
wildly overestimate. Oh, curry.

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Yeah, he's got probably 200 and
200 million. That's right.

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That's why I'm doing podcasts
now, everybody. So these lists

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are most of the people on the
list are usually angry because

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their number isn't right. The
ranking. I'm not sure how that

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plays into people. I think most
people just like, oh, yeah, I'm

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on the list. Now. It's kind of
cool. But now who knows what the

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accuracy is.

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And the media really wants his
matchup because of the amount of

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money that was be spent. I know
Trump is sitting on a couple of

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maybe billion Oh yeah, his war
chest in. I mean, Bloomberg has

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well i I'm hurt up to $53
billion. So dropping a couple

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billion dollars out of his own
pocket won't be anything so the

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media really wants this matchup
and they're pushing it.

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And just just like the although
I really think the Bernie Trump

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matchup would be what we need
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socialists, are we capitalist
which direction do we want to go

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in, but knowing whether you can
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presidency, which is clearly
what Bloomberg has been doing,

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it's also important to know.

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It'll be interesting to see how
it goes either way. But what we

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want to see here, what I want to
do today with what the show is,

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compare and contrast some of the
views, or

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whatever. Basically, basically,
what we're gonna do here is

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we're doing all of the color
commentary before the thriller

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in Manila is that this is, so if
it doesn't happen, okay, but

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this would be the preamble to
this. We are getting ready for

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the big pay per view event,
ladies and gentlemen. And boy,

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these two guys, it would make
sense if you had to pay to view

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it. But this is what's going on.

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And with that said, we have
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And now they have a new member
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No boxes, we call him no boxes.
And I hear he's getting pounded

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tonight. You know, he's in a
debate. pounding him. He spent

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$500 million so far. And I think
he has 15 points. It just came

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out he fake news. How many
points does he have right now?

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50. They won't tell you the
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truth. They just came out with a
poll a little while ago. Mini

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Mike was at 15. And crazy.
Bernie was at 31. That's a lot.

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And many Mike just spent $500
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A lot of money.

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So we got great nicknames here.
We got many Mike. Yeah. No,

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no boxes. Yeah,

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this is why I came.

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I'm so down with it Mo.

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And we have this is we're a
2020. And this is actual

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presidential election. This,
this is where we're at. We have

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two billionaires firing tweets
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Yeah, it minus the tweets. It's
kind of like Russia.

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So let's listen to the Bloomberg
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CNN reports Bloomberg has
already spent

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more than 350 $50 million of his
own money. He has a reported net

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worth of $60 billion left to
play around with one of the

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takeaways here and there's a
bunch is the shift and black

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support among the top three
candidates. Biden is losing that

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support. While both Sanders and
Bloomberg are trending up.

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Keep in mind this was a
Republican mayor, in a very

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democratic city, a Republican
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ally, who had gotten into some
trouble because his policing

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policy stop and frisk had been
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he get endorsements from key
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races? Well, one thing he would
do is that he would donate very

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generously to keep people you
know, to nonprofits, or maybe a

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church group that someone who
led the church was very

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influential. So he was able to
curry favor with people who can

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then give him very meaningful
endorsements. Furthermore, he

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could also silence critics after
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ID from Republican to
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Party never attacked him after
that, for the rest of his

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mayoral teen was sort of
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those financial filings and you
see he was giving them millions

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of dollars. You've been able to
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support but also silence
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I think Mike has the experience.
I think that he has the right

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values. I think he has the
capability to take on what is

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just an incredible machine,
which is going to be the Trump

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reelection campaign.

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Yes, I hereby issue a cease and
desist on the term currying

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favor. I'm getting a little
annoyed by it.

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So Bloomberg, is mysteriously
rising. He's rising into

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popularity with the black black
vote or you know, according to

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the according to the pose, which
the media do the polls, and he

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has a big old pile of billions
to spread around so of course

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they're going to keep them
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earmark in one thing they
brought up in this clip that

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stop and frisk, because we're
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after we listen to fire back to.

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Well, this morning he took us
attacks Twitter, the President

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did posting his altered image of
the man he's dubbed mini Mike

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and calling him a loser who has
money but can't debate and a

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five foot four inch mass of dead
energy. Bloomberg quickly hit

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back swinging at Trump. We know
many of the same people in New

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York behind your back. They
laugh at you and call you a

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carnival barking clown. They
know you inherited a fortune and

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squandered it with stupid deals
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That that is even better. As a
WWE preview. This is good. So

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what Trump Trump is coming at
Mike being a petite man. And I

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think it gets under Bloomberg
skin. But Bloomberg went real

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low with by saying, I know the
people that we both hang out

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with the same people they think
you're a clown. Yeah. That gets

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under Trump's,

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what do you think? Do you think
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I think deep down. Sharp is the
Joker because they he wasn't

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allowed to be Batman.

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Oh, I like that. I'm like that.
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he he wanted to be Bruce Wayne.
And you know, he wanted to be

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that, you know, the, you know,
that hero type. But he just is

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the class thing. Like, I mean,
you brought it up yourself with

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the queens and I never looked at
it as the borough, the borough

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lands. But

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yeah. I mean, it's just the same
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mean, we get along, but we're
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And there's a reason for that.
And we're gonna, we're doing a

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lot of foreshadowing here. But
as I promised, we're gonna get

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back to the stop and frisk.
Topic and how Trump viewed it in

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the 2016 election. And

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when it comes to stop and frisk,
you know, you're talking about

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taking guns away while I'm
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from gangs and people that use
them. And I don't think I really

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don't think you disagree with me
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truth. I think maybe there's a
political reason why you can't

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say it. But I really don't
believe in New York City. Stop

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and Frisk. We had 2200 murders,
and stop and frisk brought it

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down to 500. Murders, 500,
murders, a lot of murders. Hard

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to believe 500 is like supposed
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2200 to 500. And it was
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And it was terminated by current
mayor, but stop and fit for us

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had a tremendous impact on the
safety of New York City.

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Tremendous beyond belief. So
when you say it has no impact,

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it really did. It had a very,
very big impact.

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How old was this clip? Do you
know that was from 2016 to 2016?

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This was in 2016. debate against
Hillary Clinton. And he was

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telling me oh, you even you even
might agree with it. But for

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political reasons, you can't say
that. So I want to make it clear

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that Trump is all for stop and
frisk, when it comes to find out

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that up until now 2019.
Bloomberg was also a fan of stop

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and frisk. And a journalist
journalist is supposed to

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Bloomberg is racist. That's the
hashtag that's trending on

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Twitter. Since audio of remarks
made by the 2020 Democratic

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presidential hopeful the former
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Bloomberg surfaced earlier this
week. In the clip from the 2015

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Aspen Institute, Bloomberg is
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City Police Department's
controversial stop and frisk

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policies, saying quote 95% of
murders murdered victims fit one

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MO You can just take the
description Xerox it pass it out

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to all the cops, listen closely.

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Murder and murder they are male
minorities.

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That's Mike Bloomberg saying
quote, they are male minority 16

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to 25. That's true in New York.
That's true in virtually every

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city. He went on to say, quote,
and the way you get the guns out

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of the kid's hands is to throw
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frisk them. Bloomberg issued a
statement Tuesday saying quote,

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I inherited the police practice
of stop and frisk. And as part

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of our effort to stop gun
violence, it was overused by the

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time I left office, I cut it
back by 95%. But I should have

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done it faster and sooner. I
regret that and I have

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apologized, unquote.

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Yeah, I have some actual numbers
on that. don't know if it's

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appropriate at this point in
your presentation.

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I mean, you could share.

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This started under Giuliani and
it was always called, and I

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think it still officially is
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And this all came out in, in a
lawsuit, and I believe it was

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ultimately the Supreme Court who
said it was my worry with these

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things, his constitutionality.
First, they ran into was not

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unconstitutional. But the way it
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deemed unconstitutional. There's
no real question of race in this

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case, just leaving that clip
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I believe they stopped 200,000
people no 100,000 people, and

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50,000 had some form of weapon
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warrant, etc. And what in under
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650,000 people, but the amount
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arrested because of the stop
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marginally. So about 10%. So
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Now, the, the what you need to
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don't know exactly if that's
because of the more that he did

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or not, is that indeed the
murder rate did have under

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Bloomberg versus Giuliani. And
as far as I know, the practice

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is still in place today, in and
in many other cities in the

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United States.

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And you're exactly right with
those numbers. But when you look

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at it, and how people view Trump
and his view on stop, and freeze

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versus Bloomberg is like night
and day, if they give him a

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path, like like, they just say,
he apologizes, like you're gonna

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hear later, how people just kind
of write it off and accept his

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apology. But let's get in. Let's
actually listen to the

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journalist who was supposed to
Bloomberg.

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But Bloomberg did not just
inherit stop and frisk. During

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his tenure as mayor. The use of
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fold. During his time in office,
the New York Police recorded

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over 5 million stop and frisk,
the vast majority of those stops

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were black and Latino. As mayor
of New York, Bloomberg, long

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defended stop and frisk. This is
Bloomberg speaking during a 2013

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interview on wor radio.

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They just keep saying, Oh, it's
a disproportionate percentage of

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a particular ethnic group. That
may be but it's not a

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disproportionate percentage of
those who witnesses and victims

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describe as committing or in
that case, incidentally, I think

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we disproportionately stop
whites too much. And minorities

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too little.

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In fact, 1000s of people marched
against stop and frisk during

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his three terms in office,
Bloomberg defended stop and

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frisk as recently as 2019. Only
apologizing for the practice

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publicly in November, shortly
after entering the presidential

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race.

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Well, yeah, yeah, I can. What is
that?

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It's see, I can see where well,
here's how his and Bloomberg, by

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the way doesn't give a shit
about anybody. I'm pretty

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convinced of it. He's on a whole
different plane, a whole

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different plane. But he's being
in his mind pragmatic. And he's

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saying, Well, here's the
statistics that we see. Now, of

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course, if you're doing stop and
frisk in neighborhood where it's

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predominantly darker colored
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we're talking about here. And
that's not just a Doss, it's

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Latinos, it's all it's all
different kinds of darker skin.

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That's what I'm saying. Well,
that's where they live, if

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that's where you're stopping and
frisking. I can see how those

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numbers pan out. But you're
really identifying something we

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already knew you're identifying
that there's a lot of black on

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black crime and cities as a lot
of crime in, in poor

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neighborhoods. I think
personally, in a 10 year tenure,

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instead of increasing, you're
putting a bandaid on the

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problem. And the thinking is,
well, if you know you can get

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stopped, I mean, thrown against
the wall, then you're probably

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not going to bring your gun with
you when you go out into the

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street. Okay, right. But there's
other ways to solve this

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problem. And I think the lack of
imagination is what bothers me

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the most.

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And it's that Bloomberg is a
walking talking algorithm. If

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you listen to what he said, he
was like, Oh, well, if you just

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look at the numbers, were
harassing white people too much.

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When you harass other people,
that doesn't

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play that doesn't play very
well. For me, algo perspective,

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I understand what he's saying.
But, again, it's egregious that

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he's saying this. And I think
this is really this is the

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racial issue right here, instead
of saying, oh, you know, why

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don't we turn around and try
some other things to eradicate

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poverty in these neighborhoods?

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Now, let me be hypothetical for
a minute. Let's say, you know,

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white guys do a majority of the
white collar crime. So we're

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just going to break into your
financial records without a

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warrant, ya know, and poke
around and see what we find. And

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we're going to target, you know,
affluent white men, because

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that's who is committing a lot
of these crimes. How long would

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that stand?

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Well, if you if you said it that
way, it wouldn't stand at all.

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Unfortunately, it's true. You
forgot one descriptor, though.

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If it's conservative white men,
they get new get targeted for

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that mainly by the IRS, which is
a political weapon. So that but

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yes, I understand exactly what
you're saying. And of course, is

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if the SEC was just standing
outside of Wall Street, you

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know, banks and say, give me
your phone. Oh, you know, I

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mean,

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my analogy works. And you know,
how do we go about preventing

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this instead of just trying to
nail people? So that is the is

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the issue with stop and frisk.

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But I mean, it's big money, you
know, on both sides.

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What happened? No, no, no, of
course not. Of course not. No.

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And, and if you really did that
in earnest, then you'd find a

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lot of stuff a lot of
politicians don't want people to

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know.

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And the money on the back end,
the big money on the back end is

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the increase in property value.
Yes, because the heavy policing

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comes in with the
gentrification. Yep, and all.

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We're gonna see how all this
ties together, but let's get

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into clip three.

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But for more, we're going to
Atlanta, Georgia, where we're

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joined by Benjamin Dixon, the
host of the Benjamin Dixon show

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and podcast, he on Earth and
publicize the 2015 audio of

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Michael Bloomberg speaking at
the Aspen Institute that we just

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played for you. Dixon is the co
founder of the North star.com,

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the revitalized abolitionist
newspaper of Frederick Douglass,

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it's great to have you with us,
Benjamin Dixon, talk about I

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mean, it's very clear that the
Bloomberg campaign knew that

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this was going to drop they knew
there was this recording,

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however, muffled of his
statements at the Aspen

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Institute from 2015. And they
were ready with a statement,

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talk about why you released
this, how you found it, and that

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and what Bloomberg has said in
response.

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Yes, thanks for having me, Amy.
It was online, it was hiding in

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plain sight. I've read several
articles about this speech. And

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what drew my attention to it was
the fact that they were looking

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that Bloomberg team actually
requested that the video from

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the Aspen Institute not be
released at the Aspen Institute

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acquiesced they did not release
the video. But I was hoping to

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be able to find at least a an
audio clip. And that's exactly

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what I found. It had been online
for five years, I was able to

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isolate it, cut it up and make
it a little more audible. And I

448
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:13,140
felt that it just carried a
significant impact that the

449
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,990
words in the article did not I
felt like people needed to hear

450
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:17,670
his voice say these things.

451
00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:19,680
Thank God for podcasters

452
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:27,360
it took a podcast now we have
all these huge news rooms and

453
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:32,520
they're, you know, it's amazing.
Stop and Frisk. I mean, they

454
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:35,760
Donald Trump anything, they
could go find it. Talk to

455
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,590
anybody, but it's a it's on
YouTube for five years. And none

456
00:28:40,590 --> 00:28:43,530
of your big publication, you
know, publications picked it up,

457
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:46,740
nor the Trump campaign. I'm sure
they didn't want to touch it,

458
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:49,620
seeing considering his
endorsement of it in the past.

459
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:53,580
Well, Trump has an interesting
view on that, and we'll hear

460
00:28:53,580 --> 00:28:54,420
that and click for

461
00:28:54,929 --> 00:29:01,769
and on Tuesday morning,
President Trump tweeted, wow,

462
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:06,179
Bloomberg is a total racist.
This was in response to the

463
00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:10,949
video, the audio you released.
Wow. Bloomberg is a total

464
00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:16,019
racist. Trump later deleted the
post. Interestingly, while

465
00:29:16,019 --> 00:29:20,549
campaigning for president in
2016, Trump called for stop and

466
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:22,949
frisk to be instituted
nationwide.

467
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,450
Right. Right. Yeah. The level of
hypocrisy that comes from the

468
00:29:27,450 --> 00:29:30,780
President isn't surprising. But
that's really that exemplifies

469
00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:33,270
the weakness that candidates
like Michael Bloomberg will have

470
00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:36,090
against Donald Trump. His
audience has no problem with the

471
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:39,150
fact that he is a racist, but he
will call someone else a racist.

472
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:41,790
Michael Bloomberg has put
himself in a position where he

473
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:45,000
has a long standing history of
problems in New York City,

474
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,880
particularly with stop and
frisk. And so the President will

475
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:50,970
stand on the debate stage and
call him a racist when the rest

476
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:53,310
of America knows that he's the
white supremacist and chief.

477
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:57,090
So there you go. That's takes a
blogger to know that too, I

478
00:29:57,090 --> 00:29:57,480
guess.

479
00:29:58,950 --> 00:30:03,180
So Trump's the white supremacist
in chief. Yes, but Bloomberg

480
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:08,070
just has probably not a white
supremacist.

481
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:11,490
Whereas it was it's one thing
for Trump to say, hey, here are

482
00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:13,860
the numbers, look at what
happened murder rate went down.

483
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:17,280
It's a little different to say,
hey, you can just copy the

484
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,890
profile and throw them against
the wall. I think there's a

485
00:30:19,890 --> 00:30:23,430
little more racist undertones in
Bloomberg is a description.

486
00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:27,420
And you inherit it from Jr.
Giuliani and you ratchet it up,

487
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:34,650
you know, 660 600% or something
like 500%. Right. So I mean, it

488
00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:39,240
wasn't bad. He's like, Oh, yeah.
Hold my beer. Giuliani. Let me

489
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,100
show you how to stop. Yeah. But
then it's also hilarious. But

490
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:48,660
Trump to gaslight and say, Hey,
blue bars are racist for

491
00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:53,640
supporting stopping freeze. My
mind is this.

492
00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:57,210
Is this. Is this a topic? Is
this something that the eight of

493
00:30:57,210 --> 00:31:01,170
us is talking about about this?
Or is it your sharp mind which

494
00:31:01,170 --> 00:31:03,510
you have that you pick up on
this?

495
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:11,730
Well, no. Okay, the no vote.
Eight is foundational black

496
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:14,430
native black crowd, though
people are saying we're not

497
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:17,850
going to vote unless we get some
something tangible. That crowd

498
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:21,270
is calling out their hypocrisy
from the mainstream media.

499
00:31:22,410 --> 00:31:25,020
The hypocrisy that they're not
sure

500
00:31:25,439 --> 00:31:29,249
how they cover one and why you
know, whitewash the others.

501
00:31:30,899 --> 00:31:35,939
Sins. Got it. And all Bloomberg
has to do is apologize.

502
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:39,660
Well, yeah, he's Michael
Bloomberg. He's got $60 billion

503
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:41,340
that matters in America.

504
00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:44,700
Well, let's listen to him
apologize.

505
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,180
We begin tonight with that stop
and frisk apology from New York

506
00:31:48,180 --> 00:31:51,180
City's former Mayor Michael
Bloomberg. He made the comments

507
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:53,940
during a service at a Brooklyn
church today. Many are now

508
00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:57,510
saying the apology is quote,
long overdue. TV tentative

509
00:31:57,510 --> 00:31:59,520
designs. Hazel Sanchez has the
story.

510
00:32:00,090 --> 00:32:05,250
I can't change history. However,
today, I want you to know that I

511
00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:09,570
realized back then I was wrong.
And I'm sorry.

512
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,900
On Sunday morning, former Mayor
Mike Bloomberg stood before the

513
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,350
Christian Cultural Center in
Brooklyn, and apologized for the

514
00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:19,950
stop and frisk policy he long
supported while he ran New York

515
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:23,370
City. Now that he's making a run
for the White House. Many New

516
00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:26,760
Yorkers are doubting his apology
is sincere. Do you think it's

517
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:33,030
sincere? about trying to get
votes. It's real convenient.

518
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,410
That's what it looks like.

519
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:38,460
I got something important,
really wrong. I didn't

520
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:42,210
understand that back then the
full impact that stops were

521
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:45,960
having on the black and Latino
communities. I was totally

522
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:51,120
focused on saving lives. But as
we know, good intentions aren't

523
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,380
good enough.

524
00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:56,880
Man, I hope you have the clip
where Bloomberg says, Well, I

525
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,970
have black friends and they tell
me that this was no good.

526
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:06,000
I don't I don't have that clue.
But it's amazing. However, I

527
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:13,410
didn't realize, gee, storing
harassing people citizens moving

528
00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:16,530
freely inside of a city? Yeah, I
didn't realize that it was gonna

529
00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:17,220
be a problem. Here

530
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:17,880
it is. Here it is.

531
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:21,300
And I know a lot of black people
that if they were white, it

532
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,740
would have been a lot easier for
them.

533
00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:26,250
Something when I was thinking of
it, stuff like that, like, Oh, I

534
00:33:26,250 --> 00:33:29,550
know a lot of black people.
Well, you didn't know before,

535
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:32,940
Mike, that you black people
didn't say Hey, this is fucked

536
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:33,900
up, Mike. No.

537
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:39,450
No. Well, for one reason. Even
after his apology, there's

538
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:43,110
always somebody that willing to
get the butter biscuits. Yeah.

539
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:46,530
Yes, apology to

540
00:33:47,010 --> 00:33:50,430
Brooklyn Borough President and
former NYPD officer Eric Adams,

541
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,960
met with Bloomberg today

542
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:55,590
when my crews I believe
sincerely felt as though they

543
00:33:55,590 --> 00:34:00,510
made a grave mistake. years ago
in the implementation of stop

544
00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:04,500
and frisk. I accept his apology.
I believe that the question now

545
00:34:04,530 --> 00:34:08,070
becomes how do we move forward?
What do we do now after that

546
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:09,420
acknowledgement? Well, who

547
00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:10,110
was this?

548
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:17,520
That is the president of the
Brooklyn Borough police. You

549
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,400
give me the play the first like
10 seconds they'll give his

550
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,030
title again.

551
00:34:21,060 --> 00:34:22,650
Yeah, just want to hear that.
Okay.

552
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,430
Brooklyn Borough President and
former NYPD officer Eric Adams,

553
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:32,340
Brooklyn Borough President,
okay. Yeah, but

554
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,250
you got $60 billion $50 billion.
You, Man, you know how big it

555
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:42,150
had played is a butter biscuits.
I mean, you can you can buy

556
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,220
whoever you want. Yes,

557
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:45,300
I do, actually.

558
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:51,210
And notice how quiet everybody
really and it's not even. And

559
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:54,270
when I say butter biscuits,
that's not even a racial thing.

560
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:59,970
Because you notice how MSNBC,
CNN, they're kind of like oh,

561
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,320
Yeah, he apologized.

562
00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:04,440
Explain to explain the butter
biscuits again. Okay.

563
00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:09,900
So what this is is, is typically
used towards black people by

564
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,290
other black people to say when
somebody says something No, it's

565
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:21,090
not true, but it gains them
financially or in some cloud or

566
00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:27,360
affluence. They they'll go out
and be bought off and the

567
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,370
currency that they're bought off
in is butter biscuits. Just the

568
00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:33,750
split just a little bit

569
00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:36,780
it's like Bitcoin only tastier.
Right?

570
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:44,850
Oh, only butter here. So, of
course Trump couldn't let this

571
00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:48,330
apology slide by and he had to
say it was disingenuous

572
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,110
to say, Mr. President, you took
on Michael Bloomberg and Brad

573
00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:56,340
parscale did as well over stop
and frisk in 2016. And 2018. You

574
00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:59,250
praised Rudy Giuliani for the
stop and frisk program. So

575
00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:02,100
what's different about what
Bloomberg said, from what you

576
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:05,700
believe that? When I looked at
it, and I watched him pander

577
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:08,700
under church and practically beg
for forgiveness, I wouldn't have

578
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:11,190
begged for forgiveness. I mean,
he was doing his job at the

579
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:14,760
time. And then he, when he went
up to the church, I thought it

580
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,140
was disgraceful. Do you support
that policy? And is it as you

581
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:22,740
said, in a tweet, to get down
crime and to get rid of drugs,

582
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,980
but I think when a man is with
stop and frisk his whole life,

583
00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:29,370
and then he decides to go
Democrat, and he goes to a

584
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:32,280
church, and he's practically
crying, it looked like hell,

585
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,700
he's practically crying, saying
how what a horrible thing he

586
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:39,180
did. I think it's so
disingenuous, you know what I'm

587
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:43,170
talking about those that was so
of lumber. Look, he's a

588
00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:45,990
lightweight, he's a lightweight,
you're gonna find that out.

589
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:54,510
So this is this, I think this is
why Trump gets respect for at

590
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:58,320
least doubling down on what you
believe, right? Even though I

591
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960
don't agree with it. Stopping
phrase was a terrible thing. It

592
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,240
was basically my point of view,
a form of martial law, because

593
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:10,950
when you can't move freely in
your own community,

594
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:14,160
that's a problem. Yeah, it's, of
course,

595
00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:20,400
that's a huge problem. But we
have to understand the black

596
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,930
Boulais was on board with these
things with the crime bill with

597
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:33,660
the stop and frisk, they are on
board because they looked at it

598
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:37,590
like, oh, we need to do
something to keep our place.

599
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:40,680
Because, you know, when we had
this all stems from the problem

600
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,990
with the drugs and crack era in
the 80s, right, you know, it was

601
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:48,840
basically go back to 70s,
really, with the heroin

602
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:53,340
epidemic. But I mean, these
communities became basically

603
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,940
drug drugs zones and war zones
with the with the guns and

604
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:00,360
drugs.

605
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Are you saying the Boulais would
like to have it continue

606
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,630
contained? Is that what I'm
hearing you say?

607
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:10,140
Well, what is how it worked? The
citizens would go to the

608
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:14,250
Boulais. A representative in
their community, you know, the

609
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:16,770
mayor, aldermen, whoever they
are, yes.

610
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:19,320
Eric Adams, yeah, you,

611
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:22,350
you need to clean the streets
up. Let's say this is what say,

612
00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:25,680
you know, my kids can't play.
And instead of being Hackman

613
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,340
sophisticated, they just went
and said to people like

614
00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:33,420
Bloomberg Giuliani and whoever
else, you need to crack down.

615
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:38,130
They crack down. But the problem
is, the police didn't

616
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:42,960
distinguish between a kid and
isn't kid walking down the

617
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,500
street with a hoodie, hoodie,
hoodie hoodie on and an actual

618
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:49,380
criminal, right? It was like,
we're just we're just doing it

619
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:53,190
by the numbers. You know, you
look as Giuliani said. I mean,

620
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:56,160
I'm not Giuliani, but Bloomberg
said you could just, you could

621
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,610
Xerox the picture and it meant,
you know, it would just like if

622
00:38:59,610 --> 00:39:03,180
you fit the description, if
you're black or brown, within

623
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:08,220
you know, 15 to maybe 30 You are
more likely going to be a

624
00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:12,540
criminal. They didn't do any
policing from the top down is

625
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:15,510
taking down the kingpins they
always. They Exactly.

626
00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:19,470
No, no other majors identifying
the problem. This was this was

627
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:23,010
the it's the the Belgian
screwdriver. You know, it's like

628
00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:25,650
she's bashing away with a
screwdriver at the problem.

629
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,230
Right, so let's get back into
listen to Trump call Bloomberg

630
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:32,100
disingenuous.

631
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,210
He's also one of the worst
debaters I've ever seen. And his

632
00:39:36,210 --> 00:39:40,170
presence is zero. So he'll spend
his three, four or $500 million.

633
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:44,730
Maybe they will take it away.
Frankly, I'd rather run against

634
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:48,330
Bloomberg than Bernie Sanders.
Because Sanders has real

635
00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:51,120
followers, whether you like him
or not, whether you agree with

636
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,960
him or not. I happen to think
it's terrible what he says. But

637
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,590
he has followers. Bloomberg is
buying his way in, but we're

638
00:39:58,590 --> 00:40:01,410
gonna find out what happens
We're gonna find out. But when

639
00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:04,290
you watch go back to the church
where he apologized for

640
00:40:04,290 --> 00:40:06,990
everything he ever did
practically. And he looked

641
00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:10,260
pathetic. Our country doesn't
need that kind of leadership.

642
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,570
Yeah, yes.

643
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:17,819
I too would like to see this
Bloomberg, I agree with you,

644
00:40:17,819 --> 00:40:23,939
Trump. I want to see the
Bloomberg Trump battle. But just

645
00:40:23,939 --> 00:40:29,879
to give a little context, to
what a stop and frisk

646
00:40:30,449 --> 00:40:36,659
interaction will look like,
between cops and young men in

647
00:40:36,689 --> 00:40:40,919
those neighborhoods. I felt this
documentary called the hunted

648
00:40:40,979 --> 00:40:46,679
and the hated the inside look at
the NYPD, NYPD stop and frisk

649
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:51,689
policy. And that was directed by
Ross Tuttle

650
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:55,350
walking home from my
girlfriend's house in a Costco

651
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:58,200
and passed me a couple of
seconds later I heard the call

652
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,680
center around and they just
popped out it just jumped out

653
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,460
the car. I decided to record it
because I was getting stopped a

654
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:09,060
lot and I didn't have evidence
of copy and disrespectful and so

655
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:11,490
I'll put the button and record
the whole thing

656
00:41:13,830 --> 00:41:19,260
you just got stopped by to black
soil. Very suspicious because

657
00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:21,870
I've always written I'm crazy
you keep looking back at us

658
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:25,140
because you always always
looking crazy. Oh come to the

659
00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:35,100
blog. Always our job our jobs
love it. You keep that as always

660
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,830
like started I just got stopped
like two blocks away because you

661
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:40,140
keep doing that shit. Man. We
stopped last time because listen

662
00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:42,780
to me. When you walk in the
block, which you put up and you

663
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:49,740
keep looking back at us like
they do that. It was cold smack.

664
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:53,160
smack me. Don't you see you in
the Smash? Yes. No, you asked

665
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,290
me why I'm talking to you.
That's why you think you're Oh,

666
00:41:58,290 --> 00:42:00,570
why? Why are you touching me for

667
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:03,480
man? That's because he's wearing
a hoodie.

668
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,820
Yeah, walking out the block with
a book bag.

669
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:10,620
Yeah, and that's

670
00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:17,670
the reason why I played this is
this is the Mo Yeah, if you're

671
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:22,800
brown, brown, I mean any shade
of brown. wearing a hoodie and

672
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,480
walking up the block with a book
bag?

673
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:26,970
Yeah, bad you fit the MO very
bad.

674
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:33,210
How many kids go to school like
that every day. And I want to I

675
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:37,320
just want to shed light on this.
I understand that something

676
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,660
needs to be done for the crime.
But these people are geniuses

677
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:48,030
Bloomberg is a genius. And the
best you can do is just like

678
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:49,410
harass people.

679
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:54,450
Well even worse it starts off
with the cop saying that you

680
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:57,630
were looking at us said yeah
because you're standing there

681
00:42:57,630 --> 00:43:00,270
menacing and I mean I think
anyone knows that if we were

682
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:03,660
being pulled over I was pulled
over just recently and the first

683
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:06,870
thing I said is like hey man,
you got to really ride my ass so

684
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,910
you know if you're pulling me
over for speeding I don't know

685
00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:11,250
when I was speeding but I didn't
like it and you know I pulled

686
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:15,240
over into the right hand lane.
And it can be intimidating to

687
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:22,110
anybody of any age. It used to
be different but yeah and then

688
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,600
and then to say well it's
because you were why you wear

689
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,500
your hoodie that's wrong man so
wrong.

690
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:32,550
So let's let's do the second
clip in this interaction

691
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:35,820
who's holding me is going to
pack is going up down? Did you

692
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:38,400
go into my sweater then that's
when that's when he told me keep

693
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680
my hands on my head so I was
like this stole time

694
00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:46,410
want to go to jail? Shut fucking
mouth now and I'm getting

695
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,060
arrested for being a fucking mud

696
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:58,230
in the mud you he decided to
take my hair from him and put it

697
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:58,950
behind my back

698
00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:07,140
Shut your fucking mouth you
asked me questions and explore

699
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:16,950
one point I was in no reason you
want somebody to take a break

700
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:22,410
and what was your father? Got a
phone where traffic? Your

701
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:22,980
traffic?

702
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,230
Don't touch me. Okay, he's

703
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,080
Yeah, yeah, and this key is the
son of a cop.

704
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:40,320
Yeah, traffic copter doesn't
count.

705
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:44,430
Traffic I'm not the same thing.

706
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,230
Wow. How's that work? Well, the
things that you were you were

707
00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:52,740
exploring so I think I mean,
everything floors. I think he's

708
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:58,590
like the kid. He's a kid police
program. Oh, okay. Exponent

709
00:44:58,590 --> 00:45:02,910
mistake. So I mean I like this
guy. This kid is anti cop. It's

710
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:06,180
just I mean, you've been
harassed. I mean, just the

711
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:10,320
freedom of movement. Man, that's
That's wrong. That's wrong. I

712
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,200
just I don't I don't agree with
that and the irks me.

713
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,520
It's yeah, the police explorers
career oriented program gives

714
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,890
young adults the opportunity to
explore a career in law

715
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:23,130
enforcement by working with
local law enforcement agencies.

716
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:26,790
Do we know what happened to
these officers who, who treated

717
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:27,420
him this way?

718
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,430
I think he filed a complaint
against them. But I don't think

719
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:35,760
I don't know I didn't finish the
documentary. I just want to

720
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,770
catch more than interaction.
Just so people can hear. You

721
00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:46,890
have a son of a police officer
walk into his community. He

722
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:50,850
would work he wanted obviously
explored the potential to be a

723
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:55,710
police officer himself. And then
you want I mean, you call him a

724
00:45:55,710 --> 00:46:03,330
mutt. And you know, what it is
what it is, my problem is when

725
00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:10,620
you have these people condemn
one side being Trump and give

726
00:46:10,620 --> 00:46:13,590
the other side of path because
he apologized and the other guy

727
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:18,030
was the actual one instituting
the policy or ratcheting up the

728
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,350
policy. And that's

729
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,730
real rude and condoning it, you
know that there were plenty of

730
00:46:23,730 --> 00:46:27,120
complaints. I mean, this, this
was news. I mean, I was in New

731
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:30,330
York, this was news people knew
about this, it was a lot of talk

732
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:30,870
about it.

733
00:46:31,770 --> 00:46:35,730
And he supported it all the way
up to 2019. He doesn't want to

734
00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:38,160
speech came from the hate
speech. So it was like just say

735
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,240
you're sorry. It's easy.
Alright, so but we're gonna

736
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:47,250
listen to one of our favorite
contributors Miss Carrie Hunter

737
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,620
and Bloomberg stop and frisk
problem.

738
00:46:51,690 --> 00:46:56,040
2015 All right. Now, since
running, I think Bloomberg

739
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,200
apologized. Do we accept his
apology? Go ahead, play his

740
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,520
apology. I was wrong. And I'm
sorry. Oh, that's a real

741
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,810
apology. I'm making a
juxtaposition because Snoop

742
00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:15,120
didn't apologize anyway. 8668
Petty, and just by doing that,

743
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:19,500
you know, that method which
started under Giuliani, which he

744
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:23,910
continued with the cops, that's
Ray Kelly, put a lot of black

745
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:27,300
lives in harm, create a lot of
trauma. There were more black

746
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:30,810
boys in particular, black men
stopped and fixed in their ex

747
00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:33,090
existed in the city of New York.
And there's a lot of black

748
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:37,590
people in New York, the largest
black city city in America. And

749
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,540
yeah, it was painful. Does the
apology cover it? I mean, I

750
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:44,940
think he was sincere in his
apology for a number of reasons.

751
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:47,430
Yes, he's running for president.
He needs the black vote to to

752
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:51,000
win. But I think that you know,
just like his Greenwood

753
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,030
initiative that he put out after
he found out about Tulsa, yeah,

754
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:57,780
last year, which is baffling to
me that you can live in a

755
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:59,820
country and not know.

756
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,240
Where'd you hear this?

757
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:08,730
Where was where was Reverend owl
all these years? I mean, I know

758
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,080
New York. This is his backyard.
You just want to make sure let

759
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,270
me see. 2012 Rev. Owl takes
Newark, NYPD stop and frisk law

760
00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:23,340
to task with upcoming silent
march. So then I'm sure that

761
00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:26,940
Bloomberg paid him in the went
away as rev al does.

762
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:31,200
As I said in the previous clip
he saw on it you know he's done

763
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,790
it says he's he's naysayers.
Well, you got that kind of cash.

764
00:48:35,790 --> 00:48:39,300
I mean, what are you gonna do?
But did you hear how she's like,

765
00:48:39,330 --> 00:48:43,110
oh, yeah, he apologized and that
we accept it. You know, he he

766
00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:46,020
wants to be president. He needs
the black vote so it must be

767
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:50,280
sincere. How does that logic
work? That will make it

768
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,240
insincere.

769
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:57,480
Here we go. Reverend Al
Sharpton. This is from 2010

770
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:00,180
Finally disagree with Mayor
Bloomberg a week ago on how to

771
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:06,300
change elections in the city.
See, okay. Sharpness National

772
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:10,530
Action Network out of $110,000
grant from a brand new nonprofit

773
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:14,460
funded by Bloomberg. Just want
to make sure we stay on top of

774
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:17,790
that. Jumoke don't like him.

775
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:24,210
Damn. He's one of the most
powerful men and in in this

776
00:49:24,210 --> 00:49:28,170
game. Oh, yeah. And when he gets
in there in a race game, yeah.

777
00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:34,620
But let's continue to listen to,
I guess, Karen Hunter, Bloomberg

778
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:35,280
topology.

779
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:37,590
That's why we have to be
informed. That's why I go so

780
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:43,110
hard to paint. So my question
is, number one, people running

781
00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:46,830
for president. They're going to
need the black vote to win on

782
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:49,500
the Democratic side and Trump is
baffled by why he doesn't have

783
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:53,190
more black supporter because
you're racist, sir. Listen, it

784
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:55,290
doesn't matter how many programs
you do, how many black people

785
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,960
you let out of jail. If you
legalize marijuana. At your

786
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,000
core, you hate black people, and
I think if you had the option

787
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,280
tunity to get rid of all black
people, and I'm talking about

788
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,620
Mexicans, anybody with any
melanin? Anybody from any

789
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:07,260
country that speaks any language
other than English. I think you

790
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:09,570
would wave a wand and get rid of
us. That's fucking

791
00:50:09,570 --> 00:50:14,850
unhinged this woman. Is these
horrible. Oh, my God woman.

792
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,680
Oh, my knee. Yeah. You said
about Al Sharpton Come on now.

793
00:50:21,150 --> 00:50:24,000
We're talking about Bloomberg
and stopping freeze. All of a

794
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,140
sudden you accept his apology,
but he's not a racist. And he

795
00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:31,620
you say it doesn't matter how
many black people you let out of

796
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:36,090
jail. That doesn't tell him for
it. But Bloomberg is apology

797
00:50:36,090 --> 00:50:38,520
atones for HIV actually lock in
black people look.

798
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,730
Like, I'm 22 in some way.

799
00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:53,550
2020 We know its vision, you
know, clear vision. Oh, yeah.

800
00:50:53,550 --> 00:51:00,030
Nice. 20 election is going to
clarify and crystallize a lot of

801
00:51:00,030 --> 00:51:05,580
things. We're seeing size being
drawn, we've seen things being

802
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,050
brought to the light. When you
have this kind of money, people

803
00:51:10,050 --> 00:51:13,710
are going to be exposed. And I'm
gonna be bored.

804
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:17,700
Always for it. Of course, always
for

805
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,280
these two men had the same as
views. They come from the same

806
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,090
exact places. They have the same
exact privilege as you see it.

807
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:35,910
But you do this weird. A Jedi
mind trick or however you want

808
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:39,450
to look at it. Well, this guy is
a racist to the core. But this

809
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:42,030
other guy can be accepted
because he apologized. How does

810
00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:46,380
that work? Yeah, please tell me
how to

811
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,870
well, I'm trying to find where.
Okay, so she's co authored

812
00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:55,230
books, Karen hunter with Al
Sharpton. That says enough right

813
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:55,530
there.

814
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:57,690
Oh, yeah.

815
00:51:59,340 --> 00:52:04,260
She's tied in. Yeah. And I want
to say this other thing. I want

816
00:52:04,260 --> 00:52:07,410
to make sure I understand the
term meal you correctly. This is

817
00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:12,510
a small just a small aside. But
I think I spotted one. Okay,

818
00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:16,950
between her. Stephen A Smith, a
Charlemagne to God.

819
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:24,360
Okay, so Milio is your social
environment. Fancy as French

820
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,970
word for it. And you can detect
millio by the way people dress

821
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:33,660
the way people talk. Even
certain acts. That's usually

822
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:37,170
where Devora Can I pick it up is
how people speak.

823
00:52:37,649 --> 00:52:42,269
Because the way they speak and
know that know that. Stephen A

824
00:52:42,269 --> 00:52:48,719
Smith and a shaman gotta from
the south. But they may not

825
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,089
really know he still makes me
from New York, Charlemagne to

826
00:52:51,089 --> 00:52:53,729
God from the south, but they
have this unique way of talking.

827
00:52:53,969 --> 00:52:57,449
And I know that I was like, she
sounds like somebody but just

828
00:52:57,449 --> 00:53:00,599
just pay attention to it next
time you hear, okay? Well, cuz I

829
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:06,059
think they run in the same
circle as well. But let's just

830
00:53:06,059 --> 00:53:08,609
listen to Problem three. But I

831
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:13,560
had, I had a meeting today with
a person who's not black, and

832
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,720
we're talking about loans and
this and that, and we're going

833
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,080
over my finances. And I said,
Yeah, I had this loan, you know,

834
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,570
subprime loan, even though I had
great credit, a great job and

835
00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:24,510
everything. She was like why? I
said, because the banks were

836
00:53:24,510 --> 00:53:28,080
predatory towards black people.
And I said, You didn't hurt if I

837
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,570
hadn't heard of that. And so
then we went through another

838
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:34,380
thing. I said, Yeah, I had
another loan too. And it I could

839
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:39,360
see her catch her breath. Like,
just because you're black. You

840
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,720
got to battle. I said, Yes.
Yeah. Isn't it amazing? We're

841
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,300
not in the streets and burning
stuff down. Like, isn't it

842
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:48,600
amazing that we're we're
relatively well adjusted,

843
00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:52,290
considering all of the obstacles
and I said, if I didn't have

844
00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:55,440
anything to compare it to, I
wouldn't know that this was

845
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:58,440
targeting. And if if the Wells
Fargo thing in the in the

846
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,960
housing bubble hadn't happened,
we wouldn't have known that

847
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,900
there was a willful targeting of
black people. But what did that

848
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:07,740
do that impacted the wealth of
black people for centuries?

849
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:10,590
Yeah, probably, that created a
wealth gap that's going to take

850
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:14,940
200 plus years to close, because
people excuse me, financial

851
00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:17,520
institutions willfully came
after black people and gave them

852
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,670
bad loans. I said I had a
piggyback loan on a house that I

853
00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:24,630
didn't have shouldn't have had a
piggyback loan. And I talked to

854
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:27,300
a bunch of my black friends and
they all had pity.

855
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:29,520
Yeah. Why?

856
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:36,000
I'm not sure I agree with what
she's saying here. Saying you

857
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,470
have a subprime loan is not a
loan that is targeted towards

858
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:45,480
anybody except people who are
stupid and or are lying. And

859
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,690
that's what happened. So it was
predatory that people said, you

860
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:52,320
can't afford this, but I'm gonna
give it to you anyway. I put a

861
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,780
lot of that on the people taking
the loan.

862
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:03,060
I agree with you, but In two
things, one, she was talking

863
00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:05,790
about stop and frisk. This is
from the same clip at the stop

864
00:55:05,790 --> 00:55:11,070
of free shs. And she does is
weird pivot. I don't know if

865
00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:13,950
it's the case of the truth
wanting to come out. But she

866
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:19,230
starts talking about subprime
loans. And I'm like, what? How

867
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:22,530
did her brain make that
connection to go from stopping

868
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:28,800
free to? to subprime loans? I do
agree with that. We've got to

869
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:29,490
find out.

870
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:32,010
Oh, well, but

871
00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:38,310
it's amazing that I agree with
you.

872
00:55:38,370 --> 00:55:42,120
Well, hold on, hold on, let me
back up for a second, she starts

873
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,870
to clip off by saying I was had
a meeting with a white person.

874
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:50,490
Right, which immediately it was
like, okay, so I use it in some

875
00:55:50,490 --> 00:55:53,520
kind of boundary, I'm not quite
sure. But I guess it was a

876
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,570
financial person. And by the
way, going over numbers, the way

877
00:55:57,570 --> 00:56:01,260
she twisted this is that the
white people took advantage of

878
00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:04,530
the black people by screwing up
the economy with loans and never

879
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:06,930
should have given anybody and a
lot of white people who got

880
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:10,260
those loans, probably more than
black people. But somehow that

881
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:13,080
to me was a very racially
charged the thing she was

882
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,740
saying. And I can agree with her
premise.

883
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,870
And the problem is, she's
conflating two things. Yes. One

884
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:26,550
One, a lot of people, smart
people, because she's smart. She

885
00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:31,710
took a bad loan out herself. And
a lot of her smart friends did

886
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:36,750
yeah, they took out loans they
couldn't afford. But there is

887
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:44,580
systematic. Discrimination in
the banking process. And I'm

888
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:47,670
going to prove that later, but
I'm sure that she flakes, these

889
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:54,090
two things and properly, and it
probably conflicts them may

890
00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:57,960
serve an argument invalid,
certainly weakens. Yeah, that's

891
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,630
the problem. It makes it it
makes it you know, if you want

892
00:57:00,630 --> 00:57:04,050
to talk about, but I'm gonna
explain to you why I think her

893
00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:07,950
brain did that weird pivot with
Bloomberg, Barclays minorities

894
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:09,810
for the 2008 market crash

895
00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:13,740
of all the things you could be
wrong about being wrong about

896
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:15,780
the Iraq war is probably the
most important. But I think

897
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:19,080
maybe a second is being
fundamentally wrong about how we

898
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,040
ended up in the worst economic
collapse of our lifetimes. And

899
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Mike Bloomberg, who he's wrong,
watch

900
00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:29,760
some reference to the elements
that led to where we are today.

901
00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:32,400
Could you go a little bit
deeper? And tell us from your

902
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,340
perspective, how did we get
here? What are the root causes,

903
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:40,740
you can go back, I would say it
probably all started back when

904
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:44,700
there was a lot of pressure on
banks to make loans to everyone.

905
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:50,400
Redlining, if you remember, was
the term where banks took Whole

906
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,030
neighborhoods and said, people
in these neighborhoods are poor,

907
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:56,580
they're not going to be able to
pay off their mortgages, tell

908
00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:59,970
them what your salesmen don't go
into those areas. And then

909
00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:03,510
Congress got involved as local
elected officials as well and

910
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:06,390
said, Oh, that's not fair, these
people should be able to get

911
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:10,080
credit. And once you started
pushing in that direction, banks

912
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,160
started making more and more
loans, where the credit of the

913
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,080
person buying the house wasn't
as good as you would like. Now,

914
00:58:19,350 --> 00:58:23,730
it's not so bad, when the market
for houses keeps going up.

915
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,970
Because the nice thing about
making a mortgage loan is it's

916
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:32,160
very secure. After all, if the,
if the borrower defaults, you

917
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,700
simply sell the house and you
have something that's worth more

918
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:38,880
than the value of the mortgage.
And that assumes that real

919
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,150
estate prices never go down. And
we just discovered that they

920
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:48,690
could get some very interesting
logic here. Redlining, which, of

921
00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:53,460
course, is a talking point, is
generally seen to be as very,

922
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:57,690
very bad and racist. In this
case, the redlining in fact, was

923
00:58:57,690 --> 00:59:02,400
protecting these, these
neighborhoods from predatory

924
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,760
bank lending, but as Bloomberg
himself said, but then the local

925
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,690
officials, I would presume that
his administration got in and

926
00:59:09,690 --> 00:59:12,510
said, No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, you gotta Hey, you can't

927
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:16,530
it's racist to just screw YT
that let's get everybody

928
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,960
and that's the thing they only
open it up when it has something

929
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:27,840
toxic to sell to the red lock
community, but red line and

930
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,960
we're gonna get to the history
of redlining because it is it

931
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:31,590
goes deep.

932
00:59:31,620 --> 00:59:33,480
Yeah, a lot of people don't
really know what the hell

933
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,940
they're talking about with
redlining. But the fact

934
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:39,480
that he takes this and those
that term around, as you know,

935
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,610
like you say, it was keeping it
was a good thing. And that's why

936
00:59:44,610 --> 00:59:47,490
I say her brain made that weird
jump, you're talking about

937
00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:51,300
Bloomberg, stop, freeze, and
then you do this weird pivot

938
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,320
into predatory lending. So I
believe she knew about this. I'm

939
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,640
just speculating This is 100%
speculation, but just how did

940
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,030
you borrow Hey, make that weird.
I was having a conversation with

941
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:06,030
somebody about money without my
stomach freeze?

942
01:00:06,270 --> 01:00:08,850
Well, you're in the middle, yo.
And there you go. You're in the

943
01:00:08,850 --> 01:00:12,090
middle. You have white rich
people, I guess.

944
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:18,960
So. So that's, well, we know
blue is the same meal you, oh,

945
01:00:19,350 --> 01:00:22,560
we know who shot man, the guy
runs with Yeah,

946
01:00:22,590 --> 01:00:25,170
with, with white hedge fund
guys.

947
01:00:26,310 --> 01:00:33,300
Exactly. I'm just saying, maybe,
you know, they run the same

948
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:37,800
circles. But let's listen to
market crash, too. So

949
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:43,590
while there was like systemic
racism in how loans were given

950
01:00:43,590 --> 01:00:46,410
out who was given loans, who had
access to areas to buy houses,

951
01:00:46,590 --> 01:00:50,340
interest rates, all that, and
there was an effort to try to

952
01:00:50,340 --> 01:00:53,190
solve that just a little bit.
And look at what you get when

953
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:57,150
you solve that you crash the
economy yet dummies? That was

954
01:00:57,150 --> 01:01:00,780
what he offered up. It wasn't
like they gave that as a theory.

955
01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:04,170
And he talked about it for a
bit. That was his core response

956
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:06,540
on why did the economy fall
apart?

957
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:13,890
He just did a pro redlining talk
there. That's unbelievable. 2008

958
01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:19,920
Yeah, that wasn't like 1978 and
corn pump would come into the

959
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:28,050
pool. 2008 redlining is
specifically on it is a racist

960
01:01:28,050 --> 01:01:33,210
policy. That's like saying while
I mean, there's a value in this,

961
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:37,470
like literally defending
segregation, literally, and say,

962
01:01:37,470 --> 01:01:40,620
Oh, we're gonna deny people,
loads of certain areas because

963
01:01:40,620 --> 01:01:45,720
they're black. And he's saying,
Well, that was a good old days.

964
01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:49,170
And when we stopped
systematically discriminating

965
01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:52,680
against blacks and Latinos, it
was those blacks and Latinos

966
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,730
being irresponsible that caused
the collapse. Wow, okay, look,

967
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,570
other than being deeply, deeply
immoral, it's also deeply,

968
01:02:00,570 --> 01:02:04,920
deeply wrong. So and there's a
good reason why Bloomberg is

969
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,120
wrong on purpose.

970
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,200
Oh, on purpose, okay.

971
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,390
Yes, we're gonna find out why
he's wrong on purpose. But

972
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:17,730
let's, let's unpack some of the
things that he said. This is

973
01:02:17,730 --> 01:02:23,490
2008. When Bloomberg is talking.
You're they're unaware that

974
01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:27,120
redlining is seen to be as a bad
thing

975
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:33,240
to discuss, this goes back to
the 60s, man, this is a guy is

976
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:34,830
not on this earth.

977
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:39,030
Right. I think you'll even back
to the 40s, if I'm not mistaken

978
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:41,250
with the New Deal.

979
01:02:43,980 --> 01:02:45,810
The New Deal? You're right,
you're right.

980
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:49,890
And that's why you had to have
the equal was equal housing

981
01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:53,820
lenders or whatever it is. That
that was a correction of the

982
01:02:53,820 --> 01:02:56,580
redlining. And these are real
historical facts. And we're

983
01:02:56,580 --> 01:02:59,580
gonna say, yeah, yeah, it was a
good thing. The other thing,

984
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:06,060
this go to show, we get blamed
for everything, with 30% of the

985
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:07,500
population probably

986
01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:12,180
Damn, you ruined everything

987
01:03:13,170 --> 01:03:16,650
of the GDP. And it's like, oh,
yeah, we start giving black

988
01:03:16,650 --> 01:03:21,180
people loans. That's the
Hallmark. Now we get blood. You

989
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:22,680
can't make this stuff up. That
is

990
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,040
one of the most I mean, that's,
that's pretty egregious what he

991
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,430
was saying, there. That's that,
man. Okay,

992
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:32,490
we didn't design anything. We
didn't pass any bills. We didn't

993
01:03:32,490 --> 01:03:38,280
lose any regulations. Yeah. And,
and I know people out there

994
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,730
saying, Well, why would you take
a loan? You know, you can't pay

995
01:03:41,730 --> 01:03:45,060
for where if the game is, you
know, beginning on this low

996
01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:48,990
interest rate, and the house
goes up? Interest rate goes up?

997
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:51,900
Yes. Flipping? Yeah. I mean,
they have TV shows about this.

998
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,930
Your white people do it all the
time. I don't understand what,

999
01:03:55,410 --> 01:04:00,660
when, when suppressed group of
people are given opportunity.

1000
01:04:01,380 --> 01:04:06,420
And I say that we were allowed,
because due to how red line

1001
01:04:06,420 --> 01:04:10,620
work? Look, I'm I'm gonna pause
right there. Let's just get into

1002
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:11,340
crash. Three.

1003
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:18,420
Why? Because they had removed
protections on leverage. So the

1004
01:04:18,420 --> 01:04:22,740
banks could make wild bed
sometimes put $1 down, but make

1005
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:25,980
$100 bed. So when you lose the
dollar, all of a sudden, you're

1006
01:04:25,980 --> 01:04:29,430
not losing $1 You're losing $100
Which you don't have in the

1007
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:33,330
bank. And you did that by
betting on these collateralized

1008
01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:37,260
debt obligations and, and the
and the derivative packages, et

1009
01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:40,290
cetera. So I tell you all of
that, because there is a real

1010
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:44,640
answer as to why we had the
collapse. And and the bankers

1011
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:48,330
first pumped all that out into
the market. Why? Because they

1012
01:04:48,330 --> 01:04:51,810
were like making money off of
it. Like oh, go by, oh, we got a

1013
01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:55,290
great mortgage for you. They're
handing them out like candy,

1014
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,840
right? Oh, they would say
oftentimes, you don't even have

1015
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,670
to worry about filling it out.
But it was irresponsible blacks

1016
01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:07,170
and Latinos who are at fault.
No, the bankers told them. I

1017
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:10,230
don't care if you have a job, I
don't care if you fill out the

1018
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:13,170
information a lot of times,
because we're not like the money

1019
01:05:13,170 --> 01:05:15,720
we make on this mortgage, it's
good and fine, but we're making

1020
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,980
the real money on the derivative
bet. Okay, so just go, go, go

1021
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:22,320
go. And you're handing him out
handing him out. Meanwhile, the

1022
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,720
entire time they're making
commission. And they're

1023
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,870
collecting all of that, and they
took it home and bonuses and

1024
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,130
giant, giant bonuses on those
giant giant beds.

1025
01:05:32,670 --> 01:05:38,040
Is that chunk chunk from Young
Turks? Yeah. Good explanation,

1026
01:05:38,130 --> 01:05:39,540
as I think it did that well.

1027
01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:45,960
So now we understand why, or how
the loans were made, and who was

1028
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,920
making the loans and how they've
been why the banks push, giving

1029
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,950
loans to people that they know,
because you look at it from both

1030
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:58,110
sides, the coin one, I'm a
person, if a person comes to me

1031
01:05:58,110 --> 01:06:03,090
and I have bad credit and wants
to borrow $100, I'm gonna say

1032
01:06:03,090 --> 01:06:07,170
no, man, I'm not gonna give you
that hurt at all, because not

1033
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:11,730
likelihood to get back. So not
only can put it on the ball, but

1034
01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:14,100
also the lender because you got
to protect your investment. But

1035
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:17,820
if you're making short term
gains off of just the action of

1036
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:22,170
loaning the money, they're self
serving, of course. So I just

1037
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:26,880
want to point that out. So now,
to be fair, to be unbiased as we

1038
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,560
are here on this podcast. Trump
had his own issues with housing

1039
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:32,370
discrimination,

1040
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,440
14,000 apartments and 39
different buildings, all mostly

1041
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,650
white tenants. That is until the
Department of Justice took

1042
01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:45,090
notice in 1973 and slammed
Donald Trump and his father Fred

1043
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:48,300
Trump with a lawsuit. Trump
management was charged with

1044
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:51,900
discriminating against African
Americans and breaking federal

1045
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:56,490
law. Donald Trump then just 27
was president of the company.

1046
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,400
The Department of Justice
accused the Trump's of violating

1047
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,670
the Fair Housing Act arguing
they were turning away renters

1048
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:06,360
based on race and color who
tipped them off. local activists

1049
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,780
so called testers posing as
potential renters at Trump's

1050
01:07:09,780 --> 01:07:13,890
buildings, mainly in Brooklyn
and Queens. Elise Gould Weber

1051
01:07:13,890 --> 01:07:17,640
was a lawyer for the DOJ Fair
Housing section at the time, and

1052
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,830
was called on to handle the
Trump case,

1053
01:07:19,919 --> 01:07:23,819
when the black testers came,
they were shocked. They they may

1054
01:07:23,819 --> 01:07:27,479
have been shown apartments are
told nothing was available.

1055
01:07:27,749 --> 01:07:31,649
Whereas when the white testers
came, yes, there were things

1056
01:07:31,649 --> 01:07:34,619
that were available, that would
be the norm. And if

1057
01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:37,980
the Trumps did rent to a black
person gold, whoever recalls,

1058
01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:41,880
they would do so only at one
building in Brooklyn, reserving

1059
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,070
the other buildings for white
tenants

1060
01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:49,110
that the white people would live
in Trump village and the people

1061
01:07:49,110 --> 01:07:52,140
of color would live in

1062
01:07:52,169 --> 01:07:55,559
Flatbush, and according to the
Justice Department, they even

1063
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:59,969
had a secret coding system to do
it a racial code. Here's how

1064
01:08:00,090 --> 01:08:01,710
sounds pretty racist to me.

1065
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:08,670
So, and this was brought up all
throughout 2015 2016 Oh, yeah.

1066
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:14,310
Trump. I even had a clip and it
was unclimbable. But Rachel

1067
01:08:14,310 --> 01:08:17,730
Maddow, she was chasing down
this dude who used to work for

1068
01:08:17,730 --> 01:08:22,830
Fred Trump. And she was like,
Fred Trump used the N word when

1069
01:08:22,830 --> 01:08:25,200
talking about running to black
people, and Donald Trump was in

1070
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,800
the room. So I mean, they went,
you know, it's no stone

1071
01:08:29,310 --> 01:08:29,940
unturned. You

1072
01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:34,320
know, what's interesting is, of
course, you know, doing what I

1073
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,050
do. I of course, I know of this
issue, have discussed it on no

1074
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:42,450
agenda. I don't think I've ever
heard that detail about the the

1075
01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:45,090
testers. I think that's the
first I've heard of it.

1076
01:08:45,539 --> 01:08:49,889
They had testers, and then they
had this super sophisticated way

1077
01:08:49,889 --> 01:08:55,379
of identifying black renters.
Here's how

1078
01:08:55,499 --> 01:08:59,099
some of the applications were
marked with the C, which we

1079
01:08:59,099 --> 01:09:04,559
learned that it meant colored.
The prospective tenants who had

1080
01:09:04,559 --> 01:09:08,009
come in or noted to be colored.

1081
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,790
Yes, you heard her right. The
Department of Justice alleged

1082
01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:15,180
application submitted by
prospective African American

1083
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:19,410
renters were designated with a
secret code such as C for

1084
01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:23,160
colored to indicate a black
person was looking to rent. In

1085
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,490
true Trump fashion Donald Trump
hit back calling the

1086
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:30,060
government's accusations
absolutely ridiculous and

1087
01:09:30,060 --> 01:09:33,420
telling the court I have never
nor has anyone in my

1088
01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:37,110
organization ever, to the best
of my knowledge, discriminated

1089
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:40,980
or shown bias in the renting of
our apartments. Trump's lawyer

1090
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:43,830
said the government's suit
failed to give names addresses

1091
01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:47,010
or specific incidences of
discrimination, claiming the

1092
01:09:47,010 --> 01:09:49,830
lawsuit caused substantial
damage to their business and

1093
01:09:49,830 --> 01:09:53,880
reputation. Trump took the most
unusual step of suing the

1094
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,450
Justice Department for
defamation, seeking $100 million

1095
01:09:57,930 --> 01:10:01,830
in damages, but that countersue
was tossed out by the judge.

1096
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,130
Even so the Trump family
maintained they never

1097
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:09,000
discriminated based on color,
but were instead trying to avoid

1098
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,860
renting to people on welfare.
Two years later, in 1975, Trump

1099
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:17,220
and his father settled the case
agreeing not to discriminate

1100
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:20,250
against anyone. They also
promised to advertise in

1101
01:10:20,250 --> 01:10:23,280
publications aimed at
minorities, familiarize

1102
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,120
themselves with the details of
the Fair Housing Act and notify

1103
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,600
civil rights groups of apartment
vacancies. The Department of

1104
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,200
Justice claimed victory, but the
Trump's never admitted any

1105
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wrongdoing, reportedly noting
the settlement was in no way an

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01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,230
admission of a violation.

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So this is why I met. I don't
agree with discrimination. But

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at least I know when I'm dealing
with this, here's my problem.

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People want to deal with people
that's gonna lie to him. If I

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know where you stand, and I know
how to deal with you, and that's

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why I said, for my group of
people, we need to stand back

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01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:09,300
and see who has something
tangible for us because the

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01:11:09,330 --> 01:11:12,720
equal amount you said, on both
sides, and whoever had the most

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,770
part to provide of as far as
standard with stamps now it's

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01:11:16,770 --> 01:11:22,710
10. Tangible standpoint, then we
we support I'm when I vote, and

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if nothing comes, then we don't
vote, because it means it means

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two sides of the same coin. But
the people that are supposed to

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01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:38,010
be our leaders will put on this
shout dog and pony show, to make

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01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:39,810
it seem like there's a
difference and they really not.

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Right, right. Okay. When you say
when you say leaders that that

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goes down the line. I mean, it's
not just president, but that's

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local. Clearly, it's local,
quote unquote, officials and,

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,540
and Al Sharpton is to yeah,

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01:11:54,540 --> 01:12:03,720
all of me when I say leader, and
Tom. The clergy, the media, the

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01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,040
politicians, all of them.
They're even not I'm not only

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01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,040
talking about black hair either.
So we have Kerr Hunter. We have

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01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,760
Bloomberg. May not Bloomberg,
excuse me, young Turks. If

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Bloomberg happens to be the
candidate for Democrats, they're

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still going to carry the water.

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Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I

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01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:23,400
mean, this is

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01:12:23,699 --> 01:12:28,709
you're looking at the at the
differences here, between how

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01:12:28,739 --> 01:12:36,179
how each racial episode for each
of the candidates is handled by

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the media.

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01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:42,480
Right. So you're not we're not
this is a litmus test. And then

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01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:46,710
the standard is not the same,
right? If the standard is a god

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01:12:46,710 --> 01:12:51,690
support, stop and frisk, he's a
no, he's a hard No. Then both of

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01:12:51,690 --> 01:12:57,330
them had to be a hard no. Right?
Is no unfair housing practices,

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01:12:57,540 --> 01:13:00,420
supporting a redlining or
housing discrimination? If

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01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:04,200
that's it? They participate in
that it's a hard No, it needs to

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,140
be a hard no for both. But when
I'm doing it, it's going to show

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01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:12,690
you how when you juxtapose these
two people against each other,

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01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:18,780
you see the hypocrisy. I'm here
to point out the hypocrisy. And

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01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:23,640
also validate the claims of
redlining and stop and frisk

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:28,680
because they are real. But
people you say, you know, some

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01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,130
people say, Oh, no, it's a piggy
ranch nation, or that was long

1147
01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:40,050
in the past. But I would like to
take a short pause here. We lost

1148
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:45,480
one of our historical
celebrities Miss Jeanette

1149
01:13:45,570 --> 01:13:50,490
Dubois, and she played willona
on Good Times. I know people

1150
01:13:50,490 --> 01:13:52,920
were saying, How, what's the
connection with that? I mean,

1151
01:13:52,920 --> 01:14:00,000
it's kind of hard, right? Well,
she wrote a popular song for

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,390
one, a popular show the
Jeffersons. I talked

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01:14:03,390 --> 01:14:07,710
to my mom in New York last time.
I think I blew it. I think I

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01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:14,040
just I don't know if I can do
what I told Norman I could do.

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01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:20,220
She said, always had said this
to me. You can do it. I said,

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01:14:21,150 --> 01:14:24,240
but I don't know what to write
about. She said what is your

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01:14:24,270 --> 01:14:28,470
what was your dream or your
life? My dream was to get my

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01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:34,170
mother from working. Put it
retire by a car Virgos move away

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01:14:34,170 --> 01:14:38,640
from Brooklyn ghetto. Ferris
Jeep, Leesburg well lived. That

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,000
was a dream. See you living in
Brooklyn yet? The east side west

1161
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:46,350
side. I want to do to the east.
I got the idea. I want to move

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01:14:46,350 --> 01:14:48,720
to the east. And I still wish on
one of these days, ma'am. I'm

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,300
gonna I'm gonna make it. I'm
gonna do this. I'm going to do

1164
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:54,390
that and then do this. This was
this is what everybody's always

1165
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:57,030
saying to me since you were a
little girl. Even when you

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01:14:57,030 --> 01:15:00,990
stuttered. You said. I said I
was going Make a difference. I

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01:15:00,990 --> 01:15:03,300
was gonna change your life, I
was gonna move you out of here.

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:11,100
Write that. wrote that brought
it in. And I looked at it and he

1169
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:18,690
said, Who told you about the
story? Because no one told me

1170
01:15:18,690 --> 01:15:22,560
about stories. How do you know
these things that you move into

1171
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,470
the Sidon? And all this stuff
about penthouse blah, blah,

1172
01:15:25,470 --> 01:15:29,130
blah. And I said, Well, that's
personal. I said, but that's the

1173
01:15:29,130 --> 01:15:31,980
song. That's the promise. I kept
saying it's the promise.

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01:15:32,730 --> 01:15:34,620
Limit. And she wrote the song.

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01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:38,190
Yeah, good. Yeah. Jefferson is
moving on. Oh,

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01:15:38,249 --> 01:15:40,019
I didn't know. I didn't know she
wrote that.

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01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:44,280
And I didn't. That's why I
brought to the show, one to show

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01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:51,000
her respect, and rest and peace.
But to she didn't even know what

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,760
the show was gonna be about. And
not a reason why I brought this

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,180
up. And I find interesting is
she didn't know what the show

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01:15:57,180 --> 01:16:03,630
was going to be about. But it's
so common, shared, moving out of

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01:16:03,630 --> 01:16:08,490
this Oh, press area to something
better. This is a shared notion,

1183
01:16:08,490 --> 01:16:12,840
especially ownership. And then
now when you ask, why would

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01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,910
people take a subprime loan? Why
would people take a you know,

1185
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:23,070
something that they don't even
understand, because it's one of

1186
01:16:23,070 --> 01:16:26,880
you inside baseball time, is one
of few things that you can do as

1187
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,660
a black person and feel like you
really made it. One, graduate

1188
01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:35,040
high school to graduate college
or any higher and higher

1189
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:40,200
learning. Three on your own
business and four is buying a

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01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,980
home. And that's where you
really feel the American

1191
01:16:43,980 --> 01:16:46,530
dream. Interesting that owning
you're owning your own

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01:16:46,530 --> 01:16:49,860
businesses in that list. I'm not
sure that owning your own

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01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:53,370
business is a white thing in
America as on the on the top

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01:16:53,370 --> 01:16:53,850
four.

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01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:58,349
Because it's in the pit, you
feel like, Oh, I'm independent.

1196
01:16:58,349 --> 01:17:02,669
And the same thing with home
ownership. I own it. It's mine,

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01:17:02,699 --> 01:17:05,219
you know, this is my, you know,
it goes back really

1198
01:17:05,219 --> 01:17:08,339
psychological. I think back to
back, you know, the founding

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01:17:08,339 --> 01:17:11,219
fathers and where you couldn't
even vote unless you were a land

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01:17:11,249 --> 01:17:17,129
owner, right. Subconsciously is
you know, so I wanted to share

1201
01:17:17,129 --> 01:17:21,239
her story because she wrote the
song from a place of, I'm with

1202
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:24,869
mom, I'm gonna take you out
this, these red zones. Yeah, I'm

1203
01:17:24,869 --> 01:17:28,049
gonna take God these red zones,
I'm gonna move you know, moving

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01:17:28,049 --> 01:17:34,379
on up. And I would just like to
share for her and her life, her

1205
01:17:34,379 --> 01:17:35,549
song one more time.

1206
01:18:17,310 --> 01:18:42,360
With that forever moving special
tribute here on more facts with

1207
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:47,100
Adam curry for Black History
Month, bonus day, Jana Dubois

1208
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:52,590
and moving on up. And I'm glad
you did that Mo. And I'm glad

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01:18:52,590 --> 01:18:55,410
you didn't even know this. I
didn't know that she wrote the

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01:18:55,410 --> 01:19:01,140
song. I know that she passed
away February 17. Yep, should be

1211
01:19:01,140 --> 01:19:03,480
shot should be celebrated. And I
think that's an appropriate

1212
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:08,340
celebration of her. We're gonna
take a quick little break here.

1213
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,210
As you know, we consider
everybody who participates in

1214
01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:15,540
this conversation and you do
participate and you're gonna see

1215
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:18,390
the minute with people sending
in notes, your producers,

1216
01:19:18,690 --> 01:19:23,010
producers are what is needed for
any good production. This is not

1217
01:19:23,010 --> 01:19:26,940
in a vacuum. Also, there's real
work that goes into this as

1218
01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:30,180
obvious. The question is, do you
learn something from it? Does it

1219
01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:33,510
have value to you? And all we're
asking for? And remember, the

1220
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:37,290
reason why you're hearing this
open dialog is because there are

1221
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:41,460
no advertisers to satisfy who
don't want controversy. There's

1222
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:45,180
no no way for us to be canceled
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01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:50,580
cancel unless the producers want
to cancel us. And that's why we

1224
01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:53,430
asked you to return some of the
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01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:56,340
return. We'd love it when you
put it into monetary format that

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01:19:56,340 --> 01:19:59,610
makes it really easy to count
and makes it easy to keep the

1227
01:19:59,610 --> 01:20:02,010
show go Weighing in want to
thank, I think we can do the

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01:20:02,010 --> 01:20:05,880
whole list today we don't have a
huge list. They don't have a cut

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01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:10,470
off amount, but we'll just go
down. And we will make the top

1230
01:20:10,650 --> 01:20:14,280
supporter who didn't hit the
$200 threshold, which is a

1231
01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:17,430
standard in the podcast industry
for Associate Executive

1232
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:22,470
Producer. But we want to thank
Vincent directly for $100 and he

1233
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:25,920
is not do I read this as a
private little note we got here.

1234
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,840
You can read it. Yeah. event he
says he's most lunch table,

1235
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:31,350
buddy.

1236
01:20:32,970 --> 01:20:33,750
What's the story?

1237
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:38,549
That's one of the guys that you
know, I asked the podcast to

1238
01:20:38,549 --> 01:20:44,999
before I had a podcast last time
you were

1239
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:50,130
you would be laying down some
more facts during lunch. Yeah,

1240
01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:54,420
nice. All right. So now, now do
you still have lunch with Vinny

1241
01:20:54,420 --> 01:20:57,210
or is that is that overnight?
Listen to the podcast.

1242
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:03,000
Oh, no. It's both but he has to
hear it less now. Just listen to

1243
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:03,450
the show.

1244
01:21:04,050 --> 01:21:07,320
Thank you very much Vinnie. And
you will be our our associative

1245
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,980
deck executive producer for
today's episode Benjamin

1246
01:21:11,010 --> 01:21:17,190
Herbstreit. $55.10 We know that
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1247
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Williams says great show eat
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and donate $50 James Lawler at
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mo fine listen to episode 21. We
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1251
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,330
special donation. I felt a
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1252
01:21:39,330 --> 01:21:42,300
one. And I'm truly honored that
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1253
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same and welcomed me and his
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me. I'm not a rich man, at least
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could give you more because the
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priceless. I can't thank you
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conversation. opening my eyes to
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1258
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:59,100
believe that united we are
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your courage and know that you
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with our rabbit meat and goat
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doing good up until that. Very
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I believe he's on top donator so
far across the history of the

1264
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show. Just

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Okay, good. I'm glad you're
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definitely definitely up there.
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Ack. keep the show going. It's
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number. The MLK show holy crap
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it value for value donating his
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that you that you taught me.
Like MLK was the Greta of his

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time that really that stops
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UK with 20 pounds. Thank you.
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and brilliant stuff. Brian
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Julian Roberts Robbins $20. Just
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currently donate monthly. I've
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Let me see if I expand this. So
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have never heard anywhere else.
Keep up the great work guys.

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Julian Robins Aptos California,
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comes in with 10 British pounds.
So we probably combine those

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your show was outstanding. I
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we want is value for value, man.
Thank you episode 19 block the

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vote was incredibly
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evergreen shows they will be
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save them. publish them put them
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Please let the producers know if
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I think when you donate through

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PayPal, I'm not sure about the
cash app but through PayPal, I

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think it even says you can make
this a monthly donation or some

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recurring donation. I think a
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what they say. But we will
investigate and maybe set up

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some links as we grow in as As
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killed us great Moe facts with
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$10 combined from another
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halfway through the show, keep
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he's doing it per episode. Thank
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it. James Chapo $5. And rounding
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with $4. All of you, thank you
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facts with Adam curry. It means
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think Moe you know, you've This
is a lot of the credit goes to

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you and you just personally from
a podcast and a podcast

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perspective, you really you're
kicking ass and you really

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naive. Compare what you're doing
here to know some of your

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earlier work. I mean, this is
it's tight, it's concise. It's

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well thought out. And it's
honest, and it's really, really

1315
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:00,810
good. So, yeah,

1316
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,580
I appreciate that. Yeah, I

1317
01:26:02,580 --> 01:26:05,010
mean, I get my value just from
sitting here with you, my

1318
01:26:05,010 --> 01:26:11,070
friend. And everybody who would
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1319
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1320
01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:21,690
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1321
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1322
01:26:29,610 --> 01:26:34,290
now back to our Black History
Month bonus Day episode.

1323
01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:39,210
So where we left off, it was
redlining. Yes. So I'm going to

1324
01:26:39,210 --> 01:26:42,180
do a little history lesson on
redlining. We know we always

1325
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:45,630
have to go back to understand
what the past and how it impacts

1326
01:26:45,630 --> 01:26:49,170
the future. But first, I found
it a little funny bit by the

1327
01:26:49,170 --> 01:26:50,460
route on red Lonnie,

1328
01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:53,970
are you looking for a new
neighborhood to live in? Then

1329
01:26:53,970 --> 01:26:58,290
come on down to redlining Realty
sanctioned by the US government.

1330
01:26:59,220 --> 01:27:02,940
There's the breast
infrastructure, underfunded

1331
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:08,010
school. No white people. They're
all in the suburbs. Heck, we'll

1332
01:27:08,010 --> 01:27:12,360
even throw in freeze you know,
doesn't that sound nice? Call

1333
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,600
redlining Realty today, and
we'll get you a house built on

1334
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,990
the most American foundation of
all racism.

1335
01:27:21,449 --> 01:27:22,229
Thanks route.

1336
01:27:23,310 --> 01:27:28,950
Yeah, so you know the route. But
I found this show called Adam,

1337
01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:34,110
Adam Ruins Everything. Oh, true
TV. Yes. Not you, Adam. Well,

1338
01:27:34,799 --> 01:27:36,089
the other Adam Yeah.

1339
01:27:37,529 --> 01:27:41,219
And he lays out the disturbing
history of the suburbs.

1340
01:27:43,979 --> 01:27:49,169
It's not so white here look. Bad
example. Ignore sweater dog

1341
01:27:49,169 --> 01:27:53,189
people. A tote bag full of kale.
You're killing me, lady. Okay,

1342
01:27:53,219 --> 01:27:57,599
maybe this neighborhood is
mostly to completely to

1343
01:27:57,929 --> 01:28:01,379
insufferably white. But that
that's just the way things are

1344
01:28:01,379 --> 01:28:03,749
here. It doesn't mean we're
racist.

1345
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,470
I'm sure you're not wrong. But
the fact that so many suburbs

1346
01:28:07,470 --> 01:28:11,880
are mostly white is no accident.
It's the result of decades of

1347
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,120
racist federal policy that
affect us to this day.

1348
01:28:15,449 --> 01:28:20,189
Look. What the heck kind of game
is this?

1349
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:27,900
It's settlers of the suburbs,
redlining edition. Up Green, run

1350
01:28:27,930 --> 01:28:28,860
your red. All

1351
01:28:28,859 --> 01:28:32,759
right, red, just like the name
looks like I've got the

1352
01:28:32,759 --> 01:28:33,659
advantage.

1353
01:28:33,689 --> 01:28:39,029
No, you don't see in the 1930s.
As part of the New Deal, F er

1354
01:28:39,029 --> 01:28:42,959
created loan programs to help
Americans finance their homes.

1355
01:28:42,989 --> 01:28:46,469
But to decide who got those
loans. The government created

1356
01:28:46,469 --> 01:28:50,369
color coded maps in which green
neighborhoods were good and red

1357
01:28:50,369 --> 01:28:53,969
neighborhoods were bad. This
practice became known as

1358
01:28:53,969 --> 01:28:54,929
redlining.

1359
01:28:56,399 --> 01:28:59,249
Was this the creation of Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac as well?

1360
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,920
I'm not sure. All right. Maybe
I'm thinking I think it may have

1361
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:12,390
been a little lighter with I
want to say LBJ,

1362
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,080
I want to say oh, yeah, okay.
Well, I'll look it up. Look it

1363
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:16,260
up.

1364
01:29:17,130 --> 01:29:24,510
But as you heard this deal with
government practices, yes. And

1365
01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:29,070
need you as you heard. People
say, Democrats say FDR was one

1366
01:29:29,070 --> 01:29:35,520
of our greatest presidents. How
you gave us what we found out to

1367
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,390
be public housing, which pushed
and previous show we talked

1368
01:29:39,390 --> 01:29:44,370
about the no man house rule,
right. And public housing

1369
01:29:44,370 --> 01:29:47,100
projects. And this is the other
thing that we got out the New

1370
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:51,780
Deal, all redlining, so I'm not
quite sure how that helped.

1371
01:29:53,130 --> 01:29:54,690
But it helped the white people

1372
01:29:56,069 --> 01:29:57,929
as we're going to hear suburbs
to

1373
01:29:58,260 --> 01:30:00,900
because of these policies. If
you live in Green neighborhoods,

1374
01:30:00,930 --> 01:30:08,610
it was super easy to get a home
loan and buy property. For folks

1375
01:30:08,610 --> 01:30:11,550
in the red areas, no loans were
available.

1376
01:30:11,850 --> 01:30:15,750
I can barely afford rent with
this. There's no fair the red

1377
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:17,070
areas are screwed.

1378
01:30:17,099 --> 01:30:20,699
Yeah, they were. And you know
why some areas were designated

1379
01:30:20,699 --> 01:30:24,659
as red? No, but I can guess
those were the neighborhoods

1380
01:30:24,659 --> 01:30:27,809
where African Americans and
other minorities lived. And

1381
01:30:27,809 --> 01:30:31,109
redlining systematically
prevented them from getting home

1382
01:30:31,109 --> 01:30:32,189
loans. Wow.

1383
01:30:32,429 --> 01:30:36,599
I know what I'll do. Just take
my little guy and put him in the

1384
01:30:36,599 --> 01:30:37,589
green neighborhood.

1385
01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:41,580
Sorry, that's against the rules.
Early suburb developers like

1386
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:45,210
William Levitt instituted
explicitly racist policies,

1387
01:30:45,329 --> 01:30:49,439
levied townhomes must not be
used or occupied by any person

1388
01:30:49,469 --> 01:30:52,469
other than members of the
Caucasian race,

1389
01:30:52,679 --> 01:30:55,889
and the federal government
itself, encourage developers to

1390
01:30:55,889 --> 01:30:56,669
discriminate

1391
01:30:56,789 --> 01:30:57,779
developers, I

1392
01:30:57,779 --> 01:31:02,129
want you to exclude non whites.
The result of these policies is

1393
01:31:02,129 --> 01:31:07,349
that from 1934 through 1968, a
whopping 98% of home loans were

1394
01:31:07,349 --> 01:31:08,969
given to white families.

1395
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:14,310
Okay, this is not fair. I did
not get to pick what color I was

1396
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:15,240
when I started.

1397
01:31:15,329 --> 01:31:17,039
Yeah, no one does.

1398
01:31:19,529 --> 01:31:23,399
What the justification the way I
understand it, and that was the

1399
01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:29,429
what is now what is it? What
what the Ben Carson HUD, I guess

1400
01:31:29,459 --> 01:31:35,849
Housing Urban? Yes. Federal
Housing Administration. They the

1401
01:31:35,849 --> 01:31:41,099
redlining was justified, because
if black people moved into the

1402
01:31:41,099 --> 01:31:45,239
white people, neighborhoods, it
would decrease the value of

1403
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:48,959
their homes. That's not racist.
True, all.

1404
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,340
True. And so we're going to it
was a couple of things. It's

1405
01:31:53,370 --> 01:31:58,860
starting to tie in to this
episode. white flight, as we

1406
01:31:58,860 --> 01:32:02,670
talked about on a previous
episode, yep. white flight was

1407
01:32:02,670 --> 01:32:05,550
driven out of if you move into
my neighborhood, you make the

1408
01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:10,590
property value go down. Yeah. So
that's why they moved before

1409
01:32:10,590 --> 01:32:16,710
they got stuck with the
depreciating asset. Yeah. Which

1410
01:32:16,710 --> 01:32:18,810
would have put them basically
what happened in the subprime

1411
01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:23,040
lending scandal. You bought a
house for more than it was worth

1412
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:27,210
after the after the fact? Yep.
So we have, we have white

1413
01:32:27,210 --> 01:32:34,770
flight. And then we have another
thing. The integration that we

1414
01:32:34,770 --> 01:32:36,990
talked about with the color
purple, not color, purple,

1415
01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:40,710
excuse me, raising his son. That
was the whole premise behind

1416
01:32:40,710 --> 01:32:44,340
that the family moving into the
white neighborhood. Now, I've

1417
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:48,660
always been against of force
integration. So I'm all for

1418
01:32:48,660 --> 01:32:55,110
separate but equal. Why can't we
just allow the funds to flow

1419
01:32:55,110 --> 01:32:59,340
into the quote unquote, red
areas, that way you can upgrade

1420
01:32:59,340 --> 01:33:03,060
your property, bring value, and
then it was you could create

1421
01:33:03,060 --> 01:33:06,840
your own communities. So you can
see how this this is kind of

1422
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,570
what the justification for
people wanting to move move into

1423
01:33:09,570 --> 01:33:12,990
white neighborhoods. But it was
all fine. It was all a force by

1424
01:33:13,230 --> 01:33:21,420
federal law. Yes. So I think we
left off at two. So suburbs

1425
01:33:21,420 --> 01:33:22,590
three, and

1426
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:26,340
this advantage compounded over
time, the families in the green

1427
01:33:26,370 --> 01:33:29,100
or white neighborhoods were able
to purchase homes and accrue

1428
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:29,610
wealth.

1429
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:33,480
I can sell my house and buy a
bigger one.

1430
01:33:35,970 --> 01:33:39,180
Whereas the people in the red
neighborhoods got none of those

1431
01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:40,350
opportunities.

1432
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,920
I can't afford property I'm
behind on my electric

1433
01:33:43,949 --> 01:33:47,369
bill. In the green
neighborhoods, the influx of new

1434
01:33:47,369 --> 01:33:52,709
wealth attracted new businesses.
Oh, yeah. And again, a grocery

1435
01:33:52,739 --> 01:33:56,669
which cause property values to
go up, which meant white

1436
01:33:56,669 --> 01:33:59,669
families could sell their homes
and send their kids to college.

1437
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:05,669
So fast passing down their
wealth and advantages to future

1438
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:11,099
generations. Meanwhile, the red
neighborhoods had far less

1439
01:34:11,099 --> 01:34:14,249
ability to build wealth, and
many remain trapped in poverty.

1440
01:34:15,029 --> 01:34:19,049
This game is rigged. Yeah, it
was. That's why laws were

1441
01:34:19,049 --> 01:34:21,599
eventually passed that made most
of these discriminatory

1442
01:34:21,599 --> 01:34:23,279
practices. Illegal.

1443
01:34:24,420 --> 01:34:29,940
Great. Finally, I can move. I
don't have enough money.

1444
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:32,999
Exactly. Without wealth.
Families in the red

1445
01:34:32,999 --> 01:34:35,609
neighborhoods couldn't afford to
move up keeping these

1446
01:34:35,609 --> 01:34:40,289
communities separated by race
today. 70 years after Levittown

1447
01:34:40,289 --> 01:34:43,259
was created it's still less than
1% Black

1448
01:34:43,290 --> 01:34:46,890
I may be dead but the effect of
my racism

1449
01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:53,280
lives on. Yes, some local and
this may be now the thing about

1450
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,810
this may be the same everywhere.
The redlining was accentuated in

1451
01:34:57,810 --> 01:35:03,750
Austin, we have I 30 Five. And
that was the line right there.

1452
01:35:04,050 --> 01:35:07,800
Eastside Westside, you and I
live on the east side, I live in

1453
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,970
the red line district. And but
then when, when I when I moved

1454
01:35:12,060 --> 01:35:18,060
when I'm moving on down, I'm
called the gentle fire can't

1455
01:35:18,060 --> 01:35:18,450
win,

1456
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,859
you can't you can't win. Oh, and
that was very popular for them

1457
01:35:22,859 --> 01:35:26,189
to use interstates as I said
before it Durham freeway ran

1458
01:35:26,189 --> 01:35:29,099
through Hayti, Durham, North
Carolina, that district

1459
01:35:29,099 --> 01:35:32,969
destroyed that community. So
love it. I think it was leaving

1460
01:35:32,999 --> 01:35:37,559
town to the town. I have a I
have a couple, a black couple

1461
01:35:37,559 --> 01:35:41,129
that were war. husband was a
World War Two vet. And I just

1462
01:35:41,129 --> 01:35:46,289
want to give a little color to
the story and human touch to the

1463
01:35:46,289 --> 01:35:47,309
story of redlining.

1464
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:55,710
We came to Levittown. And we
found the model house. And we

1465
01:35:55,710 --> 01:36:02,460
walked in and we looked around.
And, of course, in the eyes of a

1466
01:36:03,660 --> 01:36:08,310
young man who was raised in the
ghetto, so to speak. It was an

1467
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:12,660
interesting experience,
interesting lifestyle, seeing

1468
01:36:12,660 --> 01:36:17,880
all the new modern conveniences
very fascinating.

1469
01:36:20,340 --> 01:36:23,820
Eugene Burnett came home with
almost a million other black T

1470
01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:28,740
eyes. They had fought for the
country in segregated ranks.

1471
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,910
They returned hoping for
equality and the American dream.

1472
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:38,700
For many, that dream was a new
home for little money down. And

1473
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:41,670
some of the easiest credit terms
in history.

1474
01:36:43,020 --> 01:36:47,160
I went up to the salesman, were
interested in your home

1475
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,880
interested in buying one and
what is the procedure? Is there

1476
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:56,130
an application to be filled out?
So of course, he looked at me

1477
01:36:58,230 --> 01:37:02,460
looked around and he said to me
says Listen, it's not me. But

1478
01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:07,710
the onus of this development
have not as yet decided to sell

1479
01:37:07,710 --> 01:37:09,330
these homes to negros.

1480
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:16,079
It was as though it wasn't
really you can't imagine. wait

1481
01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:21,389
for someone to come out and
actually tell you that they can

1482
01:37:21,389 --> 01:37:25,319
sell to you you know, I was
really on a man look at this

1483
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:29,129
house. Can you imagine having
this and then for them to tell

1484
01:37:29,129 --> 01:37:32,189
me because of the color of my
skin? I can't be a part of it.

1485
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:38,490
Yeah, this this is well known
story about

1486
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:41,639
World War Two vet.

1487
01:37:43,979 --> 01:37:52,589
Lemon Lemon, lemon tree live in
Levittown was built with I think

1488
01:37:52,589 --> 01:37:56,219
probably some money as well,
from the veteran, the VA. I

1489
01:37:56,219 --> 01:37:59,339
mean, the whole idea of this
place was for veterans to be

1490
01:37:59,339 --> 01:38:04,439
able to come back from war get
their families going. And

1491
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:09,059
started life as as people who
served the country deserve and

1492
01:38:09,180 --> 01:38:12,960
finally had their piece of the
pie.

1493
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:15,900
I didn't know you're such a
singer mo

1494
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:20,939
that's the point. That's all we
want. Is our piece of the pie.

1495
01:38:20,970 --> 01:38:32,280
Now does some of the problems
between black and Jewish stemmed

1496
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:38,280
from this in the Levites were
were Jewish? Yes. And well and

1497
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,610
I'm wondering if this if Well,
I'm sure it didn't help any of

1498
01:38:41,610 --> 01:38:46,020
the any of the relations between
these groups. But I wonder if

1499
01:38:46,020 --> 01:38:47,250
part of the Genesis

1500
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,170
it went and it went on then and
it goes on now even today you've

1501
01:38:52,170 --> 01:38:59,310
seen the stories in New Jersey
what happens is when the great

1502
01:38:59,310 --> 01:39:04,500
migration so when blacks first
move north and to the slums

1503
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:10,140
there they were previously
occupied by other ethnic groups

1504
01:39:10,140 --> 01:39:13,020
non white to me because that was
before everybody was not meant

1505
01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:18,780
to white so you had these other
use the immigrant groups that

1506
01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:20,010
the blacks were rent from?

1507
01:39:20,729 --> 01:39:23,939
Okay, who do you remember just
out of curiosity, who would who

1508
01:39:23,939 --> 01:39:26,489
would that be? What are their
immigrant immigrant groups would

1509
01:39:26,489 --> 01:39:26,939
that be

1510
01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:30,930
Jewish mostly Jewish? Mostly Jew
especially in Detroit in places

1511
01:39:30,930 --> 01:39:35,190
like that? Yeah. So they would
they will move up and then we

1512
01:39:35,190 --> 01:39:38,310
will fit backfield their
community that they left behind

1513
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:43,170
got it, but they would explore
it and we talked about this on a

1514
01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:46,980
previous show, they will explore
it through the way they ran it

1515
01:39:47,340 --> 01:39:51,000
and even they will say okay, I'm
gonna sell you the house, but if

1516
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,450
you miss one payment, you lose
all your equity, right? things

1517
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:59,970
of this nature. So yes, that is
they contribute to the the

1518
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,060
Tension between those two
groups. So, but yeah, I mean,

1519
01:40:06,270 --> 01:40:10,200
just so I just want to let this
couple finish up with their

1520
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:10,710
story.

1521
01:40:14,819 --> 01:40:19,709
The FHA underwriters warned that
the presence of even one or two

1522
01:40:19,709 --> 01:40:23,519
non white families could
undermine real estate values in

1523
01:40:23,519 --> 01:40:28,649
the new suburbs. These
government guidelines were

1524
01:40:28,649 --> 01:40:36,599
widely adopted by private
industry. Race had long played a

1525
01:40:36,599 --> 01:40:42,299
role in local real estate
practices. Starting in the

1526
01:40:42,299 --> 01:40:47,009
1930s, government officials
institutionalized the national

1527
01:40:47,009 --> 01:40:51,119
appraisal system where race was
as much a factor in Real Estate

1528
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:56,399
Assessment as the condition of
the property. You using this

1529
01:40:56,399 --> 01:41:02,159
scheme, federal investigators
evaluated 239 cities across the

1530
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,319
country for financial risk.

1531
01:41:05,850 --> 01:41:09,690
So that those communities that
were all white, suburban and far

1532
01:41:09,690 --> 01:41:14,970
away from minority areas, they
received the highest rating, and

1533
01:41:14,970 --> 01:41:20,790
that was the color green. Those
communities that were all

1534
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:25,260
minority or in the process of
changing, they got the lowest

1535
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:33,810
rating and the color red and
they were red line. As a

1536
01:41:33,810 --> 01:41:37,890
consequence, most of the
mortgages went to suburban eyes

1537
01:41:37,890 --> 01:41:40,770
in America. And it's
suburbanized. It racially

1538
01:41:42,779 --> 01:41:45,899
so this is what this is what
contributed to the racial wealth

1539
01:41:45,899 --> 01:41:51,539
gap. Okay, and as you I want to
point something out here. When

1540
01:41:51,539 --> 01:41:55,679
you think about images of
racist, white supremacist is

1541
01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:02,039
certainly some country guy, poor
guy in Alabama, West Virginia,

1542
01:42:02,339 --> 01:42:06,629
you know, Mississippi, but this
is the real, right. So when we

1543
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:08,759
talk about why super this is
what I'm talking about, this is

1544
01:42:08,759 --> 01:42:12,989
the fhsaa you get to black
people in your neighborhood. Now

1545
01:42:12,989 --> 01:42:15,299
your your property value is
going to plummet.

1546
01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:22,380
In fact, I'll take it one step
further. Yes, this this was the

1547
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:29,430
US government. But it really was
kowtow into Wall Street. That's

1548
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:32,490
really what it was about. Oh,
wait a minute. Wait a minute.

1549
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:39,900
What do we know that works on
Wall Street? Bloomberg,

1550
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:44,850
uh huh. And that's why redlining
read all redlining, you know,

1551
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:49,740
would have protected us from the
subprime lending, you know, if

1552
01:42:49,740 --> 01:42:53,280
we, if I just had my way, but
Well, well,

1553
01:42:53,340 --> 01:42:57,900
well, well, well stop. No stops.
So Uber is actually so racist.

1554
01:42:57,900 --> 01:43:01,650
He's, he's like, 1945. Racist?

1555
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:04,740
Yes, he's institutional racism.

1556
01:43:05,190 --> 01:43:09,150
He's the OG that's good. Um,
Trump is just a wannabe compared

1557
01:43:09,150 --> 01:43:09,780
to this.

1558
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:14,550
So just think about it. Now
we're starting to see these two

1559
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:19,050
things. And where they converge
it you have red lining, which

1560
01:43:19,050 --> 01:43:24,060
keeps them inside their zones.
And then you send in the stop

1561
01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:28,020
and frisk to police them in
their zones. This is all

1562
01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:31,380
institutional right. This is
when we say institutional

1563
01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:32,700
racism. That's is what was

1564
01:43:32,699 --> 01:43:35,639
it? Yeah. This completely
completely

1565
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,250
sanctioned by the government.

1566
01:43:40,829 --> 01:43:45,059
And it's pretty damn recent, as
if it's never gone away.

1567
01:43:45,869 --> 01:43:49,049
Well, some people will tell you
that red line and did go away,

1568
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:53,129
but they're still modern day
rehmani.

1569
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,410
It's been 10 years since the
economic recession, and credit

1570
01:43:58,410 --> 01:44:02,760
has slowly returned for most
Americans. By 2016. The number

1571
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,380
of conventional mortgages had
risen 95% Since the housing

1572
01:44:07,380 --> 01:44:12,180
bust, and yet some Americans are
still being left behind. The gap

1573
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:15,630
between white and black
ownership is wider now than it

1574
01:44:15,630 --> 01:44:20,850
was in 1960. Tonight, the first
of a two part series results of

1575
01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:25,020
a year long investigation from
reveal a program produced by the

1576
01:44:25,020 --> 01:44:28,350
Center for Investigative
Reporting, as reveals Aaron

1577
01:44:28,350 --> 01:44:32,970
glance reports, black and Latino
homebuyers in some cities seem

1578
01:44:32,970 --> 01:44:35,310
to have a harder time getting a
home mortgage.

1579
01:44:37,979 --> 01:44:41,519
Brooklyn native Rochelle frugal
moved to Philadelphia in 2015,

1580
01:44:41,549 --> 01:44:43,019
hoping to buy a home here

1581
01:44:43,649 --> 01:44:46,619
as like, I'm gonna try this
thing. You know, I've got a lot

1582
01:44:46,619 --> 01:44:47,249
of gumption.

1583
01:44:47,399 --> 01:44:50,339
She made a good income as a
computer programmer, and had

1584
01:44:50,339 --> 01:44:53,669
enough for a downpayment, or
potential lender Philadelphia

1585
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:57,119
mortgage advisors was
encouraging at first, but the

1586
01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:00,899
lender worried her income could
be unstable. since she was a

1587
01:45:00,899 --> 01:45:04,229
contractor, so for rule
suggested her mother cosign

1588
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:04,919
because

1589
01:45:04,949 --> 01:45:08,219
my mom is a retired school
teacher specifically, she lives

1590
01:45:08,219 --> 01:45:11,579
in New York City for 35 years,
her pension is great.

1591
01:45:11,849 --> 01:45:14,579
But for rule was told that
wasn't enough to offset her

1592
01:45:14,579 --> 01:45:17,939
mother's student loan debt from
a PhD. I got shut down,

1593
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:19,260
left and right.

1594
01:45:19,769 --> 01:45:22,889
She wanted to apply for this
loan. She was a contract worker,

1595
01:45:22,889 --> 01:45:26,309
but made very good income. But
initially, Mom co signed for it,

1596
01:45:26,339 --> 01:45:29,969
which had a great pension, but
it still wasn't enough. So it

1597
01:45:29,969 --> 01:45:33,509
makes you wonder, is this
racially motivated? Well, let's

1598
01:45:33,509 --> 01:45:34,589
find out and clip to

1599
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:38,160
after Rochelle ferrule began to
wonder if race factored in her

1600
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,250
loan denial, she decided to use
a new strategy.

1601
01:45:41,849 --> 01:45:47,249
In order to be considered a good
applicant. I needed to have a

1602
01:45:47,249 --> 01:45:50,189
white person or someone who's
white adjacent vouch for me.

1603
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:53,789
This time, she asked her
girlfriend, Hanukkah friends,

1604
01:45:53,939 --> 01:45:57,299
who is half white and half
Japanese to apply with her

1605
01:45:57,629 --> 01:46:01,499
friends was working part time at
a grocery store. Wonderful, most

1606
01:46:01,499 --> 01:46:07,349
recent bi weekly paychecks was
$162. And at the time, your

1607
01:46:07,349 --> 01:46:09,959
financial situation was
unstable. Oh, yeah,

1608
01:46:10,170 --> 01:46:11,250
that's terrible. Oh, that

1609
01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:11,880
was so bad.

1610
01:46:11,999 --> 01:46:15,149
It was terrible. I was borrowing
money for my sister was helping

1611
01:46:15,149 --> 01:46:17,129
my health insurance at one point
because I didn't have enough

1612
01:46:17,129 --> 01:46:17,879
money to pay it.

1613
01:46:18,539 --> 01:46:21,749
But for Santander Bank, the
final lender for rural tried,

1614
01:46:21,899 --> 01:46:25,079
none of that seemed to matter.
France had a good credit score.

1615
01:46:25,259 --> 01:46:28,259
And when she came on board, it
all went smoothly. Even though

1616
01:46:28,259 --> 01:46:30,869
France couldn't provide proof of
a stable work history.

1617
01:46:31,079 --> 01:46:33,869
They were like we need to yours.
And I was just like, I can't

1618
01:46:33,869 --> 01:46:35,729
give that to you. And they're
like, alright, we'll move

1619
01:46:35,729 --> 01:46:37,589
forward. Yeah. Okay.

1620
01:46:38,850 --> 01:46:43,080
All right. So does she have on
record they actually say you

1621
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:47,340
need to have a white person that
that was written requirement.

1622
01:46:47,670 --> 01:46:52,350
Know, what she did was it was
experiment. But he said, let me

1623
01:46:52,350 --> 01:47:00,030
use a white or white adjacent
person, right. When you have

1624
01:47:00,030 --> 01:47:02,610
white person, well, there was
some tissue in the door,

1625
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:06,089
there was something else in
there. And I'll just take that

1626
01:47:06,089 --> 01:47:09,659
and run with it to modern day
slavery, not necessarily color

1627
01:47:09,659 --> 01:47:14,909
related. She had a good credit
score. This has been one of my

1628
01:47:14,909 --> 01:47:18,749
pet peeves. Yes. And you know
that to Credit Karma was just

1629
01:47:18,749 --> 01:47:24,659
purchased for $7 billion. Why is
it important, because it is a

1630
01:47:24,659 --> 01:47:29,309
slave control mechanism. It's
not even the official credit

1631
01:47:29,309 --> 01:47:33,599
score as handed out by the two
official credit agencies, it's a

1632
01:47:33,599 --> 01:47:37,349
credit score by the bank or a
couple of banks. And you know,

1633
01:47:37,349 --> 01:47:39,749
there's some consortiums that
kind of made up, but what they

1634
01:47:39,749 --> 01:47:42,809
really want is they want to have
access to your bank account,

1635
01:47:42,839 --> 01:47:45,869
which you give them when you
sign up for these apps, you

1636
01:47:45,869 --> 01:47:48,149
actually give them your
password, your username, your

1637
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:51,899
login, token, do whatever they
want, see, whatever you do, and

1638
01:47:51,899 --> 01:47:56,099
then even under the guise of,
we're going to help you. They

1639
01:47:56,099 --> 01:48:00,989
control you. Okay, so Well, if
you pay your utilities bill, at

1640
01:48:00,989 --> 01:48:03,419
the first of the month, your
credit score is gonna go up. It

1641
01:48:03,419 --> 01:48:06,839
is total slave control.

1642
01:48:09,329 --> 01:48:14,999
And as a running theme on this
show, they always start with us.

1643
01:48:15,779 --> 01:48:16,439
Well, hello,

1644
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:17,549
hey, thanks.

1645
01:48:18,750 --> 01:48:20,070
Thanks. You know, I

1646
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:22,980
had to marry a white woman to
get enough credit to buy a house

1647
01:48:22,980 --> 01:48:24,840
dammit. It's all your fault.

1648
01:48:25,470 --> 01:48:29,220
And it only takes half a white
woman because her girlfriend was

1649
01:48:29,220 --> 01:48:34,710
half white and half. All you got
to do is be half halfway. And

1650
01:48:34,710 --> 01:48:38,580
she and I want to talk about
this little this little term.

1651
01:48:38,970 --> 01:48:41,820
White adjacent. Yeah. Because
that was have you heard this

1652
01:48:41,820 --> 01:48:42,540
term before?

1653
01:48:42,570 --> 01:48:43,530
No, no, I

1654
01:48:43,530 --> 01:48:47,310
don't think so. Okay, why
adjacent is a person who is

1655
01:48:47,310 --> 01:48:51,960
technically a minority, but has
access to utilize and sometimes

1656
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:53,430
benefit from white privilege.

1657
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:55,859
You mean like Drake, so?

1658
01:48:56,850 --> 01:48:58,860
Oprah are gay?

1659
01:48:58,949 --> 01:49:02,639
Okay. Yeah. That's a better
example. I got it. Yes. In

1660
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:08,670
the proximity, but not we see
this still goes on today. The

1661
01:49:08,670 --> 01:49:12,330
Emmys. Stop? No. And it's like
you said it's all about data

1662
01:49:12,330 --> 01:49:15,270
points. And I mean, iron data
points they had back in the day

1663
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:18,720
was your color your skin like,
oh, well, they come from that

1664
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,600
red zone. And he got black skin.
So that's it. No, that's the

1665
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:22,200
hard. No.

1666
01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:25,770
It's so interesting. And this is
a good lesson. And it's really

1667
01:49:25,770 --> 01:49:30,030
important. This show is so
important. Beyond the racial

1668
01:49:30,030 --> 01:49:34,050
connotation, because this was
one data wasn't really

1669
01:49:34,050 --> 01:49:36,960
available. This is when all this
started the data was you live in

1670
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,630
this area. This is the color of
your skin. There wasn't much

1671
01:49:39,660 --> 01:49:43,920
else data, much, much other
data. Now there's all of this

1672
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,530
data and believe me these algos
are super racist, super racist,

1673
01:49:49,530 --> 01:49:52,890
and they're determining how much
sentencing you get in the

1674
01:49:52,890 --> 01:49:56,400
criminal justice system. How
much you can borrow for your

1675
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,970
house in oftentimes if you're
appropriate for a certain job.

1676
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,410
Bob, and it's baked in it is it
is systemic racism. I don't say

1677
01:50:07,410 --> 01:50:13,110
racism, not white supremacy. It
built into today's technology.

1678
01:50:13,499 --> 01:50:16,679
Well, like you said, this comes
from the bankers and who are the

1679
01:50:16,679 --> 01:50:17,429
bankers?

1680
01:50:19,979 --> 01:50:25,589
Who are the bankers? Well, I can
answer that many. Well,

1681
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:30,869
we like I said, we use this yes,
that we use various terms, the

1682
01:50:30,899 --> 01:50:31,409
elite,

1683
01:50:31,470 --> 01:50:36,510
the true white supremecy. was,
as our friend would say,

1684
01:50:37,260 --> 01:50:41,070
Uh huh. So I mean, it comes from
the top down. Yes. And that's

1685
01:50:41,070 --> 01:50:43,380
why I said, it's fascinating
that we're starting to see

1686
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:48,360
billionaires, you know, run for
president and all this truth is

1687
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:53,790
starting to be unveiled. But
with that said, no matter how

1688
01:50:53,790 --> 01:50:58,920
much truth people see, it
doesn't matter to them. So we

1689
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:01,830
going back to the Kara Hunter
show, and she had a guest on

1690
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:06,750
Laurie Daniel favors. And Laurie
Daniel favors is an intern for

1691
01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:10,710
the executive director and
General Counsel at the Law

1692
01:51:10,740 --> 01:51:16,500
Center on social justice
activist attorney, and she's on

1693
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:19,170
a Karen, she's a contributor to
the Karen Hunter show. So she's

1694
01:51:19,170 --> 01:51:22,020
gonna, this is almost a two
minute rant. I just want to let

1695
01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:24,690
her run. I didn't want to clip
it. I want to let her run

1696
01:51:24,690 --> 01:51:27,480
because no matter how many data
points and if people see that

1697
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:30,810
these two people are like,
listen to this cognitive

1698
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,810
dissidence that that she
displays. Bloomberg

1699
01:51:33,870 --> 01:51:37,230
is responsible not just for stop
and frisk furthering it,

1700
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:41,850
systematizing it, glorifying it,
defending it up until last year

1701
01:51:41,850 --> 01:51:45,030
when he decided he was going to
run. But he was surrounded by

1702
01:51:45,060 --> 01:51:49,620
intellectuals, black activists,
activists of color up across the

1703
01:51:49,620 --> 01:51:53,520
entire spectrum who outlined for
him the problems New York City

1704
01:51:53,940 --> 01:51:57,570
Lawyers Association NYCLU the
data, the statistics, he had

1705
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,380
facts, he had information, and
he was committed to a racist

1706
01:52:01,380 --> 01:52:05,010
policy that jailed black people
arrested black people stop and

1707
01:52:05,010 --> 01:52:09,810
frisk black 32 students,
Bushwick, 3232 students who were

1708
01:52:09,810 --> 01:52:13,320
on their way to a funeral had
permission from their principals

1709
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:16,950
had letters from their parents
accosted by the cops are held

1710
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:21,420
for 36 hours had to go to trial
had to get in my husband is beat

1711
01:52:21,420 --> 01:52:25,350
up in court by court officers at
their defense Trump because the

1712
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:28,350
way in which police and court
officers were militarized

1713
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:30,960
against black and brown
communities and you expect us to

1714
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,230
just eat that he's got money, so
he's gonna be the best candidate

1715
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,590
gentrification. Bedford
Stuyvesant, Crown Heights, East

1716
01:52:37,590 --> 01:52:42,060
New York, Flatbush, Harlem did
the Bronx, black people driven

1717
01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:45,240
out of this city, right under
policies that favored wealthy

1718
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,510
white people and developers, we
cannot even sustain our

1719
01:52:48,510 --> 01:52:51,630
communities right now.
Education, he undermined the

1720
01:52:51,630 --> 01:52:54,150
ability for us to have
culturally competent education.

1721
01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:57,450
You want me to sit because he
can be Trump. So Trump gonna

1722
01:52:57,660 --> 01:52:59,910
He's gonna do what he do.
Bloomberg gonna do what he

1723
01:52:59,910 --> 01:53:02,100
doing? Yeah, he might win. But
guess what, all y'all getting

1724
01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:04,470
arrested. All y'all getting
stopped in prison. He implements

1725
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:06,720
the same policies across the
country that he further and

1726
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,540
support in the state of New
York. Give me a break. We can do

1727
01:53:09,540 --> 01:53:11,580
better than this. And I'm sorry,
I gotta agree with Meghan

1728
01:53:11,580 --> 01:53:14,340
McCain. But now I'm upset. I'm
sorry. I didn't mean to add

1729
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:14,490
that.

1730
01:53:15,329 --> 01:53:17,429
If he's the nominee, are you
gonna vote for him? I don't

1731
01:53:17,429 --> 01:53:19,979
think he should be the nominee
if he's the nominee, because

1732
01:53:19,979 --> 01:53:21,479
that's a strong possibility

1733
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:24,570
if he's the nominee, knowing.
And so having said everything

1734
01:53:24,570 --> 01:53:27,750
that I just said, because I'm
aware about how the politics and

1735
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:30,690
the system in this country
works. Yes, I will have to vote

1736
01:53:30,690 --> 01:53:32,130
for him was

1737
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:36,839
watch. After that rant.

1738
01:53:37,380 --> 01:53:44,100
There you have, oh, my goodness.
But I just want to understand

1739
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:47,070
that just want to understand the
justification makes sure I

1740
01:53:47,070 --> 01:53:51,540
understand this. So just go back
to that one question. He's

1741
01:53:51,540 --> 01:53:53,550
the nominee, are you going to
vote for him? I don't think he

1742
01:53:53,550 --> 01:53:56,100
should be the nominee if he's
the nominee, because that's a

1743
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,690
strong possibility if he's

1744
01:53:57,690 --> 01:54:00,600
the nominee, knowing. And so
having said everything that I

1745
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,630
just said, because I'm aware
about how the politics and the

1746
01:54:03,630 --> 01:54:06,630
system in this country works.
Yes, I will have to vote for

1747
01:54:06,630 --> 01:54:06,870
him.

1748
01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:10,649
Wait a minute, I don't
understand. She just railed

1749
01:54:10,649 --> 01:54:13,439
about the system and the
politics. As he says, Knowing

1750
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:16,319
how the system and the politics
in this country works. He has to

1751
01:54:16,319 --> 01:54:17,129
vote for him.

1752
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:23,640
You explain it to me, because I
don't I don't understand. But

1753
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:28,080
this is this is what we get.
Now, does everybody see these?

1754
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:30,990
Why are these people cannot be
trusted. This is the reason for

1755
01:54:30,990 --> 01:54:34,470
value for value. This is why you
need to have the independent

1756
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:39,150
media. You wouldn't have the
Bloomberg tape dug up without a

1757
01:54:39,150 --> 01:54:42,630
podcaster you won't have this
conversation we haven't without

1758
01:54:42,630 --> 01:54:46,170
podcast and independent media.
And one of those parts of the

1759
01:54:46,170 --> 01:54:49,080
independent media is what is
called the New Black Media,

1760
01:54:49,260 --> 01:54:52,440
because they're holding people
like this the task that you get

1761
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:57,420
out here and give a one minute
and 58 second rant of everything

1762
01:54:57,420 --> 01:55:01,500
wrong with Michael Bloomberg.
and you put him against another

1763
01:55:01,500 --> 01:55:04,170
so called races and you will
make a choice instead of saying,

1764
01:55:04,170 --> 01:55:14,130
You know what? I abstain? Well,
no, I'm not.

1765
01:55:15,389 --> 01:55:21,989
Well, so there's a number of
things. One, this should this

1766
01:55:21,989 --> 01:55:27,149
show, not just this episode, but
this is a good one should be

1767
01:55:27,149 --> 01:55:31,619
played in schools across
America, children's to have to

1768
01:55:31,619 --> 01:55:35,159
listen to the show, of course
your school won't do that. So

1769
01:55:35,159 --> 01:55:38,339
give it to your kids. And if
you're really offended by some

1770
01:55:38,339 --> 01:55:42,629
of the naughty words we use, you
can always take them out. It is

1771
01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:47,399
especially beautiful to learn
this during and of course, I've

1772
01:55:47,399 --> 01:55:49,769
learned more than most people
casually dropping in on the

1773
01:55:49,769 --> 01:55:53,969
podcast. But during Black
History Month, the bonus day, no

1774
01:55:53,969 --> 01:55:58,259
less. Black people of America,
you got some problem with the

1775
01:55:58,259 --> 01:55:59,639
black people of America too.

1776
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,550
We got to clean house. Yes, we
have to clean we have to clean

1777
01:56:05,550 --> 01:56:09,240
house, it's lamp people gotta
go. It's ramping from the top.

1778
01:56:09,300 --> 01:56:13,560
It's the top 10% And the bottom
10%. And this is what I'm

1779
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:20,700
saying. The top 10 the top 10%.
They highly sit by. And they

1780
01:56:20,700 --> 01:56:24,090
only do what they're told by
their pay, you know who

1781
01:56:24,090 --> 01:56:27,150
controlled them? We got to
understand what Bula is again,

1782
01:56:27,150 --> 01:56:32,130
that's the that's the adviser to
the king. So even heard, she

1783
01:56:32,130 --> 01:56:35,010
laid out everything. But you
know what, I'm still gonna vote

1784
01:56:35,010 --> 01:56:39,030
for this, that same thing I say
is the problem. How does that

1785
01:56:39,030 --> 01:56:39,390
work?

1786
01:56:40,050 --> 01:56:43,110
That that was the baffling part
to me. I loved her rant, her

1787
01:56:43,110 --> 01:56:45,840
rant was fantastic. Except for
the last minute, she just blew

1788
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:48,960
it all up. It's like, what are
you, but because Trump is going

1789
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,600
to continue that, and you're
gonna vote for the guy who

1790
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:52,980
actually was doing it.

1791
01:56:53,790 --> 01:56:57,300
And these people don't bring us
any solutions. They're the top

1792
01:56:57,300 --> 01:57:00,690
2% They're supposed to be the so
called leaders. And then they

1793
01:57:00,690 --> 01:57:04,830
allow us to be terrorized by the
bottom 10% in our communities,

1794
01:57:04,830 --> 01:57:09,090
because you damned if you do
damned if you don't, right. It's

1795
01:57:09,090 --> 01:57:12,300
like if I want policing in my
community, I can't get quality

1796
01:57:12,300 --> 01:57:15,300
policing. Which is why I think
we should police ourselves. I

1797
01:57:15,300 --> 01:57:17,580
mean, that's a whole nother show
for another whole nother day.

1798
01:57:17,580 --> 01:57:17,910
But

1799
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:22,199
I explained that the bottom 10%
the bottom 10%

1800
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:27,240
is the you know, when the crowd
comes from the people that heard

1801
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:30,360
him saying I mean, it's not.
That's the point, you have a

1802
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:36,060
large, quiet group of people in
the middle. They are scared to

1803
01:57:36,060 --> 01:57:40,110
call out the top. And they're
scared to address the bottom.

1804
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:43,980
Right? So they stay silent and I
won't stay silent. Yes, you can

1805
01:57:43,980 --> 01:57:47,790
do two things at once. We can
call out the top by saying tell

1806
01:57:47,790 --> 01:57:49,950
the bottom this is not
acceptable behavior. I

1807
01:57:49,950 --> 01:57:53,340
understand the source of it. I
understand that communities were

1808
01:57:53,340 --> 01:57:59,160
taught full of drugs and guns
and you suppressed and not

1809
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:02,490
allowed to have funding and
lending and everything else that

1810
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:05,850
all the other Americans are
privileged. But that is no

1811
01:58:06,060 --> 01:58:09,870
reason to terrorize your own
people and your own community.

1812
01:58:11,070 --> 01:58:14,730
No, you could do you could chew
gum at the same time.

1813
01:58:14,730 --> 01:58:18,270
I mean, come on. Yeah. Wow. But

1814
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:25,830
but not to end on that low note.
Always like to know, just for

1815
01:58:25,830 --> 01:58:32,580
the psyche. One of the biggest
scandals that were overlooked in

1816
01:58:32,580 --> 01:58:41,100
this whole Trump and Bloomberg.
fiasco Smackdown was covered by

1817
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:44,130
Mr. Jackson, which is a
YouTuber, he only has 200

1818
01:58:44,130 --> 01:58:48,900
subscribers. So that goes to
show you how I dig to find these

1819
01:58:48,900 --> 01:58:49,380
clips.

1820
01:58:49,859 --> 01:58:52,439
It's been dubbed mini Mike
Bloomberg has been trying to

1821
01:58:52,439 --> 01:58:55,619
hide his hide from the voters.
However, thanks to video

1822
01:58:55,619 --> 01:58:59,579
evidence, it will be impossible
for Bloomberg to lay low, except

1823
01:58:59,609 --> 01:59:03,329
on a measuring tape. Here we see
mini Mike standing on a box

1824
01:59:03,329 --> 01:59:06,389
while giving a speech. So we
know it's not beyond him to pull

1825
01:59:06,389 --> 01:59:09,659
all sorts of tricks. Little
Mike's favorite trick is to use

1826
01:59:09,659 --> 01:59:12,839
a pair of lifts inside of his
shoes, and he might have got

1827
01:59:12,839 --> 01:59:16,829
away with it with the help of
MSNBC. Here we see MSNBC put a

1828
01:59:16,829 --> 01:59:20,759
box in front of the evidence, so
we don't know what he's really

1829
01:59:20,759 --> 01:59:25,139
wearing. Luckily, I was able to
find this photo on the internet,

1830
01:59:25,499 --> 01:59:29,039
which clearly shows the shoes he
was wearing the night of the

1831
01:59:29,039 --> 01:59:33,449
disaster in the desert, the
Democratic debates. Notice

1832
01:59:33,449 --> 01:59:38,459
anything funny about the issues?
I do. Look at those lifts there

1833
01:59:38,459 --> 01:59:41,699
on the side pressing out on the
shoe we can see he's got at

1834
01:59:41,699 --> 01:59:45,629
least four or five inches of
lift in there. Though the

1835
01:59:45,629 --> 01:59:50,699
cameras use tricks to hide his
lifts from viewers. There was no

1836
01:59:50,699 --> 01:59:54,389
way of escaping the fact that at
some point, Bloomberg would have

1837
01:59:54,389 --> 01:59:56,069
to walk in those shoes.

1838
01:59:57,750 --> 02:00:00,780
I can't believe I missed this.
Where are you You all kind of on

1839
02:00:00,780 --> 02:00:04,860
top of it, because you caught
where they had lowered the

1840
02:00:04,860 --> 02:00:05,640
lecterns? Yeah,

1841
02:00:05,639 --> 02:00:10,109
I saw that but I didn't know we
had lifts in his shoes. He had a

1842
02:00:10,109 --> 02:00:13,199
double boost. Oh my goodness.

1843
02:00:15,210 --> 02:00:16,470
So it's lift gate is the

1844
02:00:17,819 --> 02:00:23,189
total lift gate. Oh, man. I'm
looking for a picture now. Now I

1845
02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:24,059
want to see it

1846
02:00:25,529 --> 02:00:29,639
though we'll post a video of
this. Yeah, Mr. Jackson's

1847
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:32,880
video. Yeah, Mr. Jackson's
video. Definitely want to see

1848
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,910
that. Definitely. I want to put
it in the show notes. That's too

1849
02:00:35,910 --> 02:00:37,830
good, man. All right.

1850
02:00:37,830 --> 02:00:39,840
Well, let's let Mr. Jackson
finish up. Now.

1851
02:00:40,170 --> 02:00:44,700
Let's take a look at how Mayor
Bloomberg walks first. In

1852
02:00:44,700 --> 02:00:47,730
regular time, I'll see if you
can catch what's so strange

1853
02:00:47,730 --> 02:00:54,720
about this walk. Interesting.
Now let's take a look at it in

1854
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:58,800
slow motion. And I want you to
take a very close look at his

1855
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:06,180
knee. More specifically where
the knee bends Wow, look how

1856
02:01:06,180 --> 02:01:10,650
long that leg is amazing, isn't
it? Let's take a look again.

1857
02:01:12,090 --> 02:01:16,530
Very very big shins you have
their Mayor Mike. Perhaps many

1858
02:01:16,530 --> 02:01:20,220
Mike has the world's largest
chance. But more likely he's

1859
02:01:20,220 --> 02:01:23,070
wearing a pair of lifts the only
person I know with a set of

1860
02:01:23,070 --> 02:01:25,110
shins that log is Dawson.

1861
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:35,640
Dawson from Street Fighter the
only video game I would

1862
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:43,800
recognize in the entire world we
love Dawson. Oh my so he's

1863
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,530
basically on stilts is what
we're saying here. It's not just

1864
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:52,800
it's stilts. Oh my goodness. Ah,
that's the best Mo Yeah, we'll

1865
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,980
put Mr. Jackson's video in the
show notes. That is too funny.

1866
02:01:56,640 --> 02:02:01,950
Well, that goes to show that
Trump in this back and forth

1867
02:02:01,950 --> 02:02:08,850
billionaire Smackdown he
definitely has pinpointed

1868
02:02:09,300 --> 02:02:13,110
Bloomberg real sensitive spot if
you're going to that length.

1869
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:18,120
He's so frustrated over it.
That's that's pretty incredible.

1870
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:23,250
That is amazing. Oh man. Mo
thank you that made my day.

1871
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:28,770
Let's remember the show was
about redlining racial

1872
02:02:28,770 --> 02:02:32,160
practices, but I love this that
was good man. Thank you that

1873
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,230
good laugh good laugh for a
Saturday.

1874
02:02:34,890 --> 02:02:41,010
Yeah, doesn't take us out of
here. So there you have it. They

1875
02:02:41,010 --> 02:02:45,840
got to look to people that have
similar views and two through

1876
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:46,950
two different lenses.

1877
02:02:46,980 --> 02:02:52,650
Yeah, well, Mo Thank you very
much for for bringing all of

1878
02:02:52,650 --> 02:02:56,520
this to the show once again. And
I will remind everybody that

1879
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:00,660
this work should be compensated
in the value that you as an

1880
02:03:00,660 --> 02:03:03,720
individual get out of it. So
whatever that value is to you

1881
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,290
please send that to us in a
monetary form go to Mo Mo

1882
02:03:07,290 --> 02:03:11,730
facts.com or directly to our
donation page at Mote fund

1883
02:03:11,730 --> 02:03:14,730
me.com. M OE fund me.com

1884
02:03:14,970 --> 02:03:18,150
And as I always say, pay
attention to everything and the

1885
02:03:18,150 --> 02:03:22,200
truth will reveal itself. That
is the truth and this is the

1886
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:26,700
song for many Mike I guess we'll
talk to you talk to you next

1887
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:33,420
week while I talk to you that
out of the blue Julia thank you

1888
02:03:37,980 --> 02:04:08,730
again now because you think God
can afford you you ever gone

1889
02:04:08,730 --> 02:04:24,120
again you know you broke down
last what happened? You man many

1890
02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:39,540
poor girls when they tried to
keep the stuff you're never gone

1891
02:04:39,540 --> 02:05:35,610
again. get in return you have my
God I'm Jack

