FAQs with Adam curry for February 5 2020. This is episode
number 24 I am so happy I recorded this earlier in my
basement what a great track Paymo I you know how I'm doing
good man. How are you?
I am doing well.
Yeah, Shoe Man. This is, of course the podcast sometimes
known as that a das podcast only in certain circles. And we're I
guess we're a day later than we'd hoped and apologies. But
it's always going to be worth it because we have I'm sure a
dynamite show lined up for you. Not that I actually know exactly
what we're going to do. But I do have a few things to follow up
on. Oh, just a couple things to ask him one to follow up on from
our last show Moe. First of all, Super Bowl. I know you're a big
football guy. This is the only the only football game I really
will definitely watch. I'll just tell you briefly, I felt the
television production was very kind of sparse and flat a didn't
see all the typical flying stuff and the stats and you know, just
I don't know, it seemed like pretty sparse. But what I missed
was a lot of hype about, I think, was would have been the
third black quarterback to win the Super Bowl tonight was that
underplayed this year? Because he's like half black or what was
going on?
Yeah, if you've noticed, they don't put him in the black
quarterback conversation. Have we seen this before? I mentioned
this before in the Colin Kaepernick episode, that they
treated him the same way. They didn't mention that he was a
black, right. Until Until it's my roommate. That's what threw
me about him because I was like, yeah, he could be maybe. Right.
But But yeah, you see the same thing with my homeboy. Yeah, as
well.
So okay, because I found I think one article, but it wasn't even
like a massive M five M publication. I was just like,
yeah, that's kind of odd. Because I looked him up because
yeah, I personally did not pronounce his name. You know,
me, Mister sports guy. So then I figure that out. And I say, Wait
a minute. So his dad was this and then you know, they're all
major league baseball players. And then finally a phone
article. You know, his dad's black, his mom's white. And it's
like, okay, well, where's the hype? Nothing knows. Just
thought that was weird.
This is the test textbook example of being racially
ambiguous. Yeah, I've used that term before. And this is no
sleight against him personally. No, but but the corporation that
the NFL is. I think it's a conscious guy you do. I mean,
because when we you juxtapose that to levar Jackson, a real
eight off black quarterback?
No, I gotta go to Google. Live art Jackson.
Yeah, Lamar.
I can hear half people going. Oh, Lamar. Okay, gotcha. Mark
Jackson. Yeah.
All right. Player. Yeah, they're the best two players in the NFL
now. Because Lamar even won the MVP. 9% Sure. He went to MVP,
but Well, mahomes won the MVP. Yeah, last year. That's what I'm
saying. Oh, we're
so weird. Gotcha.
Do you have these two men that are technically both for Black?
But they both Athos?
Yeah, I believe I believe Holmes father is eight or eight.
Jackson's parents are a das as well. So. But yeah, I'm just
saying the way this. Isn't that interesting,
right. Isn't that interesting? Because because I hadn't heard
anything about it. And I'm like, maybe he's more Latinx or
something. And that's why I went on a quest to go figure it out.
And it's like, well, this is odd. All right. So that's the
script. I guess everyone's fine with by the way. I love the way
the mahomes plays is fantastic. And he's what? Eight years old?
Yeah. believable. really young, really young. So.
Yeah. All right. The other thing I want to ask you about Trump's
State of the Union, which now I was going to ask you this last
night? Actually, we're going to try and do it after the State of
the Union. And I'm glad that we waited because I think that
there there was a very obvious to me very clear message towards
black Americans.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, can we go back for a minute to
the Super Bowl? gonna feed it No, it's gonna feed.
Okay, you're talking about that. Tuskegee Airmen. No, no, no,
because he appeared on both
the first break the super ad break.
Oh, yes. Trump's ad. You're right. Of course. What am I
thinking? What a transition. I should have done that myself.
Nice. You take our partners. Yeah. There's two of us, ladies
and gentlemen.
So I'm sitting there watching the game. And then I see it. I'm
like, Oh, he did it. He has the prison reform commercial. Yes,
exactly. And it's in the first ad block, which is your main,
which is the prom spot. I think we like second commercial. In
the first slide. Yeah. So that's like the, like the perfect spot.
And it's like, targeted right at the black voter. Now I'll turn
it back over to you.
Well, okay, so that was going to be my question is what do you
think of the spot? pandering? Did it hit there? Was it on
target with what was your What was your thinking?
I saw a tweet today. And it was from I think Breitbart on Van
Jones now is saying, Look, Trump is doing something for real
black people. Yeah.
Just a Das is now real black people.
I don't even think he meant Adolf specifically, but he means
Pete black people that you can relate to? No, God, when you
look at the guy from Ohio, that got cleaned up off the drugs and
you're saying, right, right, right. You're talking about the
State of the Union now? Yes, I'm going going back and forth.
That's fine. That's fine. We when you look at the lady in
criminal justice ad, these people could be your aunt or
your uncle. I mean, they're not these crafted. Super Black
people.
Stop. Okay, helped me identify super black.
Okay, what I mean is they didn't come out to Ivy League schools
or super intellectual or Cory Booker. I wouldn't even say him,
I would say like the pundits that you see on CNN or MSNBC,
they're not relatable. Okay, gotcha. Well, you see him as
like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That could be my uncle. That could be
my aunt. That could be my, the little girl that he had for the
school choice. Yeah, that could be my little niece. That could
be you know, these are real. Black people. Yeah. And when I
saw that ad out me, I saw the article title. I didn't get a
chance to read the article, but I'm guilty of doing headlines. I
just didn't have time today to get to it. But I was like, yeah,
they are real people.
Alright, so what did you think of? Did you watch the Super Bowl
with did? Did you talk about it when you saw the?
Yeah, actually, me and my mother in law. She's probably the
biggest Hillary hater.
Oh, is she? Is she a Trump lover or not? I would not care.
Oh, I would say that. She appreciates his honesty. Oh,
wow. And, and not the truth but his honesty it is
that he is who he is kind of what
is that? Is that? So me and her had these conversations. But
yeah, she she couldn't stand Hillary. Especially when she
found out she threw a Bible to a Bible. That was that was
a wound. Yes. What did you think of the of the ad?
It hit her. You know, I mean, her kind of look, we know, like,
you see that? I was just blown back that he actually ran a
political ad during the Superbowl. But I understood it
though. I understood. Exactly. It was snowing.
Alright. So there was a lot of similar type messaging in the
State of the Union. I, I personally from a television
executive standpoint, just like yes, totally nailed it. You've
got you're connecting a personal story to each and every one of
your outcomes. Like, yes, this was incredibly good, but there
was a lot of a lot of black and brown faces,
essentially. So he had the redemption story. Like I said,
with the guy from Ohio, give yourself up the opportunity. So
single mother HBCU there crowd with? Oh, yeah, he hit that one.
Yeah, hit that one right off the bat. Yeah, I mean, it was kind
of like, wow, like you're really going after convincing black
people that you're not bad for them. That's it. That was my
takeaway. That was my takeaway. And this contributes to my
theory of the negative vote. Right,
which which, you know, I am of course preaching this everyone
Eric, because you've run, you run the numbers with me, and he
doesn't really have to chip away at that much. And I think Van
Jones in that very same piece that you referenced,
specifically mentioned, you know, black men. Yes. And so
there may be an appeal there.
So I like I said, just things have been bad for them. This is
argument if things haven't been bad for you, especially, it's
not as bad as they say it was gonna be for you last four
years. So you just let me finish up here. And it's gonna work out
for you. That was my takeaway from the whole convincing
anything on Black Twitter.
I think the silence you had to we have to look at the silence.
We had to look at negative the negative or the missing the lack
of and it wasn't like, oh, yeah, a lot of hate. I didn't see a
lot of hate. For the, for the State of the Union. Right? No
more in the mean, like than usual, right? It was like 1.0
Look at Trump Panther. i That's one where I didn't hear that he
was pandering. I didn't didn't come across my timeline.
Interesting. Okay, well, good. Thank you. Thank you for thank
you for giving me your thoughts on that. Just because obviously,
I'm sitting there thinking, all I can think of is fuck, what is
Mo think of this? I didn't go shit like what this this sounds
sounds like he's doing something good here. I don't know. Nothing
is really no maybe that historically, black colleges and
universities that that could be considered some form of a
tangible thing. But you know, the word reparations will never
come up with Trump.
And I'm glad you you walked me into the perfect segue because
if the ads won't work, and the I'm presenting your case to the
American public one works specifically the black American
public, then maybe clip number one will work
preferences. Hey, can you be bought and sold? Yeah, can you?
Well, that's what's going down. Remember that pastor, that guy?
I think his name is Pastor Scott in Cleveland, the big Trump
supporter. Basically, it's just been like riding for Trump for a
long time. Well, they've got this like coalition with what
they're doing is they're holding events for black folks, black
folks, and they're given the money to vote for Donald Trump.
And it's working. It's kind of sad, because they're given
people that really are not going to do the research. And some of
them I hate to say to our low information voters, one issue
voters.
I saw this. I saw that you reply to a tweet about it and went
looks pretty tangible to me or something like that. I wasn't
sure how much sarcasm was in there. But I think it was
exactly the way you intended at least I know, knowing you. I
thought that was pretty funny.
So this stems from a political article, Trump guy was Trump
give cash cash giveaway for black voters? Yeah. They're
saying allies of Donald Trump have began holding events in
black communities. And we spoke about these events in a previous
show. And he says we're organizers lavished praise on
the president and they hand out 10s of 1000s of dollars to Lucky
attendees. So now when Andrew Yang was giving money
away to no that's math, rather that's just math.
That's just math, but now it's low information.
Dummies dummies.
Let me explain to who was speaking. That was Russ Parr.
Are you familiar with Russ Parr? No. He's kind of like a knockoff
Charlemagne? No, no, you're a guy. Oh, Tom Joyner torrent Tom
Joyner he kind of like a knockoff Tom Joyner.
Okay. But except he hasn't he has a job still.
isn't getting paid, though. Because Tom Jordan is not
getting paid.
Now Tom Jones has done it. Yeah,
he was saying he was basically working for free those last
couple of years.
So you'd be you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised how shit
radio has gotten. I'm talking like 12 bucks an hour at Sirius
XM, believe me.
Right. So he calls people like these people that's taking the
cash low information voters and they're basically being duped.
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more of the Eddie Murphy voice. QA we thinks money I mean, it's
almost a parody of of what would have been done then about how
crazy advertising will get.
And this we fix money is a known predatory lender. Well, payday
these days. Yeah, totally. So you're make you're willing to
serve your audience up to predatory lenders. But then you
talk down on people for taking cash for monetizing their vote,
which I'm gonna tell you, it's fine. Okay, let me explain to
people, what we're talking about now just gonna be a sub segment.
I mean, just a sub little section of the show, and then
we'll get into the real show. But ours really so irked by this
because these gatekeepers are pissed that basically voting is
turning into some form of gig work. Because I don't need a big
structure. I know I'm gonna take my cash straight to the people.
Give it to them, and then they'll go out and they'll
perform the task of voting. The if the if these claims are true,
and I'm looking at it from both sides from the yang side, and
the Trump side, put the money inside the people's hands. And
that's why I did say it tongue in cheek this is something
tangible, but it is yeah. Okay. somebody's giving you $1,000 for
your vote. These these thanks, probably the same people been
talking was it?
I thought it was me. I thought it was like 100 Is it was that
1000
When the article says they're handing out, of course, they're
gonna embellish. And they said the article says they're handing
handing out 10s of 1000s of dollars to Lucky attendees. So
that could be the total sum could be 10s of $1,000. But if I
wasn't gonna vote, or you're gonna give me 234 $100 To vote
another way. Hey, that's this. That's more on my secret for
you. I'm not knocking you. Ace tangible. Down with it. It's
your right. So. But let's get back to Mr. Ross Parr, and he's
just nasty talking down talking to black people.
Donald Trump gave me money. I don't care about kids in cages.
I don't care about s hole nations. I don't care that he's
lining the pockets of all his rich friends. I don't care. All
these policies hurt me. Oh, yeah. He's that a couple of
people out of jail. Yeah, prison reform. It's great. But you
don't want to be a one issue voter, y'all. You just don't
want to do that. But now, you can be bought. Is that easy now?
So this guy, Mr. Scott, they're going around Cleveland and other
places. And they're saying, Okay, I'm gonna give you a
couple of 100 bucks. All you got to do is say, Yes, I'll vote for
Donald Trump. Because he's not so much for black people.
Yeah, well, this is I mean, this guy has clearly it's obvious
what his position is and what movie he watches.
So how to kids in cages help black people. How did it come?
Because he said, we're one issue voters if you're taking the
money, you know, these, you know, these things are hurting
you kids in cages as emigration. And I'm not saying I don't
condone placing children in cages. But what I'm saying is
this the topic behind the talking point, immigration,
yeah. shithole nations immigration. You know, when you
become into one topic, we've been on one topic vote voting
bloc for forever, for two years. Now, now oh, now all of a
sudden, say you get your sentences together. You know
why? Because he's been cut out the picture. If the cash goes
straight to the people, gatekeepers have no purpose
anymore.
Well, of course, but it's I don't even know if he sees it
that way. What, what is this air what networks is?
Syndicate syndicate? Yeah, he's syndicated. So he's across. I've
lived in Durham, North Carolina, and I live here in Northern
Virginia and he's on stations in both
areas. Afternoon show, morning show.
Morning Show. Morning. This is all morning. But yeah, he's
like, Oh, this is harmful to the New York community and and this
next clip is really going to hurt me.
Some people use administrations refer to them as colors. There
are good colors and there's bad colors. But listen, y'all,
you've got to be informed. You can't. Well, I can't tell you
what to do. But don't take that money. You're selling it out,
you can be bought. We have to have some personal integrity. We
have to do the research to find out what he stands for and what
he doesn't stand for. The man could care less unless your name
is diamond, diamond and silk or maybe that Pastor Scott and
maybe ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS. I don't know. But he's got a few
people Herman Cain, you know, usto nein, nein, nein. Yeah, he
started another organization. I think it's called Black voices
for Trump. And they're doing the same thing. They're going around
and they're buying votes.
Okay, what what are you
color people? You're offended by that. But the Democrats call you
people of color all day long.
And can I just can I just say something? I know you're mad. I
know. You're mad. I'm sorry. I got a bone to pick. Yes, since
the last show. I cannot stop hearing. Pete people of color. I
hear this everywhere. And it's an I'm seeing the like the
former campaign PR for Hillary Clinton. Maxwell was her name.
She young she got the OG hair. Beautiful woman. But she's like,
she keeps saying people of color people. And of course what after
you programmed me and everybody else. All I hear is kind of
people. I'm like, holy crap. And then I hit and of course, we got
to we got a lot of we got a lot of colored people on TV lately.
We got who's the RNC, the former RNC chair. And you know, just a
lot of a lot of people walking around and I hear it all the
time now. And I think yes, I should just mo can no can't be
MP.
How'd you get to go back and do Sumo? How'd you like that?
People of Color halftime show. I mean, that was I got a homie on
the brown and lighten the black. Yeah, I
got I got Yeah, I got a whole I got a whole bone to pick with
that.
But yeah, I digress. I'm just saying, but just yeah, you know,
I was thinking, this could actually be the the first
podcast I ever participated in, we're going to come up with the
exit strategy early on. Because I'm thinking, you know, soon
we'll have facial recognition technology for everybody. And
it's coming and it's just a matter of, you know, who's going
to pay for because it does take some processing on the back end.
But everyone's so available and scannable that we'll be able to
have an app I'm gonna call it the A das app. And you basically
just point the your phone at somebody and and they'll say, a
das or non a Das, because this is what I'm missing when I hear
a das pin clearly a das people saying people of color, I'm just
I'm confused. But maybe it's just, it's just the setting.
It's working. Oh, no,
that's got me.
So man, John DeVore at the John DeVore. I had a little DM and
basically, I told him that people of color equals non
white, which equals not important. And he agreed. Yeah,
I mean, I'm sure he agrees. It's like
he looks like saying the blacks that's his
lashes lump them all together, like in his nice little ball.
That's manageable. And there you go, but Mr. Russ Parr has a
problem with color people are he I'm sure he uses the term people
of color. But let's listen to how he portrays Asian American
people we were good yeah,
congrats because you guys celebrated Yeah, you guys that's
why you black men talk about black everything black and black
and you have to come in a half a huge boost First off, you're
being very disgusting right now. Or your new boss as you can just
call it my Kim and all that came and Sunday already calm you're
while you're still you're celebrating you know whether you
even celebrated for your goodbye mailing.
So this is a bit obviously.
Yes. This is a reoccurring character mailing that works in
a nail shop.
Yeah, yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, we're only 10 years
apart or so. But this is I come from the time on the radio, we
had these characters you had, you had the crazy, the kind of
crazy Chinese guy you had the guy worked in New York radio,
you have the guy from Harlem, you'd have Mr. Leonard who was
in from Mars, you know, so and all these it was, and I think
I'm talking about late 80s 90s. And everyone seemed kind of the
laugh about themselves. That one away, so it's hard for me, I
can't get mad at this, like, all right. And it's there was some
funny pieces of it. But
I'm not mad about it. I'm saying the hypocrisy of Sure. You know,
if this was on a nother show that lack melanin, it'll be you
know, forced, they will be trying to counsel there. Yeah,
advertisers, of course, yes, you're right. You're right. And
not only this, but he also portrays black people in a very
negative way. On the majority of his show, I was very hurt by
this show, period. Tell ya, this guy, really. I'm gonna wrap this
up. So let's just get into the clip number four.
Some pastors were paid years ago to take money to influence their
congregation to vote for George W. Bush. And they did and
there's, it's been proven. That's what they've done.
Because a lot of y'all just listen to your pastors, you
noticed that like how my fault you're like sheep. It's okay to
take this money, even though I'm gonna hurt some people. Yeah,
you have a little personal gain for a moment. But the long term
effects, so many people are damaged by it. We have to have a
mind of our own. I'm not telling you not to vote for Donald
Trump. But if you do your research, you find out that he
does not have your best interests in mind. He doesn't.
It's simple. That's just my opinion. You know, we're not
monolithic. Were we all built the same? Those
are your opinion or fact, bro. least have
an informed decision as to whose money you're going to take in
order to be bribed. And I don't know how legal that is. But I
guess so figure a way around it because the President is above
the law. talking point and nobody wants to hold him
accountable. But you can. And November 2020, yes, this year,
you can hold them accountable. You can vote. That's my rant.
That's his rant. Oh, please. This guy is besides. Yep. I
mean, I don't know if he's really influential. But as a
broadcaster, he's mediocre. I mean, he's just repeating. I
mean, I could do a show like that. I can do a minute of
talking points. And then seeing the great
value of Tom Joyner, brother. That's what he is. But it's just
that I'm not telling you not to vote for Trump, and we're not a
mana Lipsense win. Right. Since we're have we not been a
monolith when it comes to voting will run
the numbers for me again, what a percentage of and I'll say the
black vote, because that's what the kind of using does not have
to vote Democrat for basically to be all over for a democratic
Democrat candidate.
Well, 2012 it was 67% turnout of the black vote six when Trump
Yeah, when Trump won in 2016. It was down to 59%. Right? It's
very, if it stays at 50 to 100, drops even lower. You can't make
those votes up. You can't make them up.
I think you were saying that really? is a matter of maybe
five points. Yeah,
I mean, if it just stays at 59 they need they need it to be
around 65 67% To have a chance to win. That's why they lost in
2016. And that's what they don't really want to talk about. But
this is why everything is people of color, people of color,
people of color, you know,
every Can I think I watched the Iowa caucuses very closely. I
wanted to understand it and I'm glad I did because became super
entertained. Certainly to watch broadcaster struggle for hours
on end to fill time. I think I heard at least three candidates
all use the people of color term. And then of course,
subsequently Of course I heard everywhere else that actually
the caucuses are completely racist because only white people
can come out on a Monday night and blah, blah, blah and only
black people babysit for the white people who can go out on
Monday night. It's like okay, fine, whatever.
Like not always like 90 something percent white. Of
course, black swing vote, it was gonna really shake things up.
And I mean, we even covered this in the last show because that's
exactly where they had the people of color Summit. whatever
it was called. Advice. Yeah. Yeah, yes. Yeah, exactly. So
knock it all. So
let's let's do a pitch on the off some more. Let's do the the
last.
So this rant is from another rant. And he's and it's a convo
with a Trump supporter.
All right, this, this following statements that I'm about to
make are not applicable to all white folks or other groups that
may see their entitlement slipping away. Oh, but I was on
a flight and I was wearing my Make America Baroque again, hat.
The guy asked me what it was all about was talking about, it's
about a better time. And you can order it on up to par.net. And
this guy got, I could see that he was getting a little
irritated because obviously, he is not a Barack Obama fan, which
will I'm cool with it. But it was an intriguing conversation
that we started to have. I mean, he got comfortable and very
candidate with a glass of wine. And he said a lot of things. And
his, his ideology was like a white nationalist. I said, God,
this guy doesn't even know that he's a white nationalist. You
know, he's, he's putting all that out there. And I'm sitting
there going, man. But what he said in so many words, he says
that Trump has made them realize that most whites are being
discriminated against in America, in favor of minorities.
So first of all, this was no low low in canola information voter
because clearly they're sitting in first class drinking a nice
glass of wine. Right, so I'm going to take that with a grain
of salt.
So yeah, so this leads us into the real topic of the show. And
the topic of the show is what happens, allegedly, when a white
person attempts to defend their perceived privilege that they
have. Oh, nice.
This is about me. Hold on a second. Let's rolling round and
round and round. Ladies and gentlemen, the real of topics mo
facts with Adam curry, and we stopped today on the lucky
topic. That is,
today we're going to talk about the concept of white fragility.
White, that's the term white fragility. Yes. White Guilt is
easier to remember fragility three syllables.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They're not the same. No,
I know. I know. They're not. Okay.
I gotta have you heard this term before?
No, no, I
have not. I have not. This is new to me. I found this maybe
several weeks ago, and now like, tucked it away. I was like, I
got to look into whatever this white fragility
was bookmarks. It's like is that even snow flakier than
snowflake? If you're white and in your fragile?
Yeah. It's an aggressive fragile. Okay. Oh, what we have
here is miss the Angelou Her name is who came up with the
term. Her name is Robin J. D'Angelo. She has a PhD in multi
modal, multicultural education, of course. And in a 2011
academic paper, she put forward the concept of white fragility.
So this is a somewhat new term.
I'm going to welcome in Robyn D'Angelo, she's a sociologist,
American sociologist and the author whose book is here, it's
called white fragility. Robin explain what is white fragility?
Well,
social life is patterned and predictable in observable and
describable ways. And racial inequality is a very consistent
pattern. And so is the overall light response to it, or to when
that issue is raised. So what I'm doing is describing one
particular common white pattern, and offering an explanation not
only for how we come to have that pattern, but also how it
functions. So the pattern is the defensiveness at any suggestion
that racial inequality exists, and that each of us is a part of
it.
And that's the only way you can define that. So it has to be the
STB all all of the above?
Yes. So. So basically how it works is if I say Hey, Adam, you
have white privilege, you say no, I don't. And I say well, you
have white privilege and white fragility.
Wow. I remember The first time I was called out as having white
privilege, and it was at a dinner party, and it's it's
gonna be four and a half years ago, maybe. And it was a
professor who I respect from the University of Texas. And I'm
like, What are you talking about? I'd never really heard
the term and I certainly never been accused of Oh, and they
literally like you have white privilege. So what? What are you
talking about? You have white privilege, you can't deny that.
And it I was it was really uncomfortable. And so I guess
that's I would have been, I would have had white fragility
there.
That pushback that you gave, I'm sure after you left. It's like,
how about curry his white fragility?
Well, I wish they had said that to me then. So I could have
known I was violating not one but two principles of nature.
Yes. So what we're going to do here is we're going to examine
this term.
This woman is white, this Robyn D'Angelo? Yes,
yes, she's, she's a white lady. And she coined the term and then
later wrote a book about the term which I think this, these
terms, these.
Oh, that's how you get one, you know, you read a book about it
and say, oh, there's this term. I made it up.
Yeah. So we're going to, we're going to look at how it came
about what it is, we're going to look at a counter argument
against it. And then how it's determined is a person that has
white fragility or not so
And will this will this episode also give me the tools so that I
can defend myself against not just falling into the white
fragility trap but against white fragility in general?
Correct goggles.
Gotcha. I'm sorry, I'll shut up.
Alright, so let's get to the second part of that clip. The
term
fragility is meant to capture how little it takes to set us
off from any white people. The mere suggestion that being white
has meaning will cause great umbrage generalizing about white
people will cause great upset and umbrage. But the impact of
that umbrage is not fragile at all. It functions as a very
powerful way to repel the challenge and to protect the
racial hierarchy.
I like this episode, because I get to think a lot harder about
myself. I agree with a lot of what you said in the in the
beginning of that clip, but at the end, this protect the white
hierarchy. No, fuck no, not for a second. I don't give a shit
about that. I remember being accused of of white privilege
for the first time. So it's in my mind, and I did not think of
oh, I have to protect the hierarchy. None of that. So
that's just not with me, at least. I'm not your typical
white guy. But
that's what I want it with this show to bounce this idea off.
And this is typically these terms are bounce between two
white people. Yeah, totally. Totally. I have. Obviously I've
never heard this term, so I can't use it. And I've never
heard a person of any color rule.
You would go on there. You stopped yourself in time. But
you know,
I was gonna say out person. I was gonna say good. I was
thinking about not just black people I have never heard
because I work with a bunch of different ethnicities. I haven't
heard correction, I call it person. use that term. So it's
like, Hey, where'd this come from? I read I mean, want to
be like par and just call them Coloureds. Come on, man. You can
do it. Yeah.
So I'm in. I'm in the loop. And I've never heard it. And when I
heard it, I was like, Holy crap. What what is this term that she
does use? I mean, it wasn't even her. It was a I forgot where I
heard it. I heard it. I'm not clear. It was like a pundit
talking or whatever. So I jotted it down. Oh,
sure. It's, I'm sure that this I'm sure it's out there. I'm
sure people are talking about it.
But this goes back to the real black people or the real people.
And real whatever, fill in the blank person that's non white.
We don't use terms like this. No, this is stuff that circled
around, you know, went to in the Help across academia, society,
and it's like, ah, you know, contemplating, you know, my
white fragility and, you know, I just really need to do more to
give back to the, you know,
yeah, I think I think these types of terms and concepts I
think, hurt everybody. I don't think it's good. I don't think
it has any positive awareness is always good. I think a lot of
people are, you know, this person's racist or whatever, you
know, ignorance is, I've discovered through, you know,
just my friendship with you that ignorance just didn't know.
Yeah, so there's a lot of things that may You'd come across as
racist, but purely ignorance. And there's got to be some
something in your heart or souls got to be there for it to truly
be racist. And then, so you get these kind of compensation
terms.
So let's just revisit my definition of racism, which is
just a form of nepotism. That's, that's how I see racism. So if
you say, Adam, you know, you got your job, because your dad's the
CEO of the company. Of course, you're going to rebut that in
black. What I worked hard for where, you know, I worked hard
for whatever position I have in this company. It's not just
because my dad gave it to me. So that would be like, a form of
not white fragility, but like nepotism fragility, because it's
like, yeah, because it's like you're, you're invalidating all
the workout done and the same simply because of what I am not
who I am. I got the spot.
Right. And it's it's purely an assumption.
Right. So that's, I can understand the pushback. But
it's like a trap. Yeah. Because when when you say somebody has a
privilege,
yeah. And then you say, No, I don't like Boom. Oh, yeah.
Nailed him. Shit. I fell out of that one. It's like Lucy and the
football twice.
Is that Topher? It's like yeah, yeah, pray with the camera,
Julie. fertility. Yeah, left in a hook. Which is a perfect trap.
I mean, if that's what you set it up to be totally. So let's
get into the third and final clip of this segment.
In your research, and I read the first few chapters of white
fragility, not all of it. Do you think most white people are
racist? Without realizing it? Yes,
I don't think it's possible to avoid absorbing racist worldview
and racist biases, because they are circulating 24/7. In the
culture, they're in the language. They're in the
institutions. They're in the media and the film. They're in
the overwhelmingly white teaching force and curriculum
and the the centering of a white worldview, but positioning it as
a universal human worldview ash.
So what we're actually have missing from there is white
supremacy. And that makes people recall, because it's like, I am
not a white supremacy denier. Right. I believe it exists. But
just like racism, I think people don't understand these terms
that they use, and they use it incorrectly. And it does nobody
any, any good to throw these terms around because it really
like weakens the term. Definitely. I want to go back to
throwback clip, just so we can define define what exactly.
White supremacy is?
Well, we are on a system of white supremacy. That's the most
powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's
the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go by now the title even
though we sometimes call it by other titles, but the accurate
title for the government that we are under is in capital letters.
The system of white supremacy worldwide is just one world
government. And that's the only government and the only
government on the planet that really counts. That is worthy of
having a title of government.
Yeah, I love this clip. It's a I think it's a true mo facts
classic and break. I'm glad you brought that back again. That
was a fuller, right.
Yes. So when we talk about this thing, I want to make sure we
use the correct definition. Some people call it the Illuminati,
some people call it you know, other
New World Order is he said,
that's another one liberal world order. Yep. So but what these
secret societies or wherever you want to call them are based off
of our really bloodlines Correct? Yep. So I think we
define white, this wrong. And we don't understand the origins of
race.
No, excellent point.
So I have Miss Danielle Bainbridge from PBS, and she's
gonna give us some history on the origins of race in the US.
But these racial categorizations didn't always neatly align with
skin tone, and his book whiteness of a different color,
European immigrants and the alchemy of race. Historian
Matthew Jacobson notes that in the US, white or Caucasian was
not always considered a unified race. Composed of anyone of
European descent. Whiteness was often considered exclusive to
Anglo Saxon descendants. While other European groups were
broken into different ethnic categories, such as CELT Slavs,
I barracks, and Hebrews, which were considered separate races
from the 1840s, to the early 20th century, but in the 1920s,
when there was a stemming of immigration from Europe, these
different races were subsumed into one category called
whiteness to shore up a cultural majority against other racial
groups and immigrants. And this persisted throughout the 20th
century. So how does it all add up? Well, race started as a
marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less
about familial inheritance, and more focused on physical
indicators, due to the rise of enlightenment reasoning and
labor exploitation. But where does that leave us today?
Yeah, this reminds me, I want you to delve into that this
reminds me of a story, which that Barack Obama through
bloodlines is related to George W. Bush.
Which, which technically? He is passing for white, or could pass
for white. Yes. I mean, we want to use the term of passing. And
it's a couple of things. She said in that clip. One, she said
whiteness or the term White was created to shore up a racial
majority. Doesn't that sound eerily similar to what we're
going through now when people
kill him up? Yes, that's exactly what it is. Of course, this is
this is beautiful, beautiful.
And so then you have people wanting to pass and to
white and whiteness. Yeah. And
we we talked about talked about before it it wasn't about my
origin or my size. This is interesting,
because going back to what, what's your face said? Robyn
D'Angelo which had protecting the hierarchy. Well, I can see
where she may have a point there if you're talking about
bloodline hierarchy. But of course, that doesn't make me
white then, because I don't have the bloodline hierarchy.
But once you were lumped into that racial majority, then yeah,
it allows you certain privileges to be to move without being
accosted, or when we're talking about right after slavery or
doing slavery. We're not talking about now. Yeah. So if you
appeared and a lot of black, black people that passed J Edgar
Hoover, you know, he was allowed to move if he was seen as a
black man, and he was doing what he was doing and for spying on
people. And he went and got that far. Not certainly not in the
day. No. So he took advantage of passing to take advantage of
that privilege. But it's, it's a it's a very fluid thing. And
when we say white, they don't, most people don't even
understand what that means. It means that you're part of a
superior class. And the coolest thing that we have to white
nowadays, it still still exists is the monarchy. Yeah. And in
Great Britain. Yep. That that is literally white. And even you
know what I'm talking about mix it.
Megan, Megan Megan Markel.
She couldn't pass to be white. Right. Even though she was up
here to beat me if you didn't.
That's why she had to go. Had to get rid of her.
Right. Or she couldn't.
She couldn't handle she couldn't. She didn't pass the
passing test. So you gotta go because it
wasn't about skin color. I mean, it may hit on it on the surface.
Maybe But no, it was like you don't come from this. Right.
And then then and then life yeah. And then the Queen went
Hold on a second that that redhead isn't one of ours
either. Get him out.
Both of them couldn't pass. Yeah, no way. So that you white
is a very exclusive club. The tech the real textbook
technical, right. And if you could do me a favor? Could you
play like the last 2030 seconds of clip number 13. One more
time. I just want to define what we're talking about when we say
when I say why.
Okay, the last 30 seconds, sure thing, Celt,
slobs, I barracks and Hebrews, which were considered separate
races from the 1840s to the early 20th century. But in the
1920s when there was a stemming of immigration from Europe,
these different races were subsumed into one category
called whiteness to shore up a cultural majority against other
racial groups and immigrants. And this persisted throughout
the 20th century. So how does it all add up? Well, race started
as a marker of kinship, but then we see it shift to become less
about familial inheritance and more focused on physical
indicators due to the rise of enlightenment reasoning and
labor exploitation. But where does that leave us today?
So when I say that term, I'm talking about familiar
inheritance, which Barack Obama is, is by that definition white?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I'm Megan Markel is not or, or even a
Prince Harry is not quite correct. So I just want to lay
things out.
It's, it's, it's a mind bender. But yeah, these are the two
definitions. But this is exactly what happens over the ages, and
doesn't even take that long, the meanings change, they get kind
of smoothed over becomes an acceptable term. So I'm gonna
throw something out there it sticks. And then before you know
it, it's all changed. And that mean, Words matter? And words
matter.
That's just like when you say black? Yeah, black 30 years ago.
So I'm totally different than it meant that it means now, you
have to have a I digress. But I just wanted to lay that out. So
when we talk about the term white, we understand what we're
saying and what people have proximity to and trying to align
themselves with. It's not it's not a pigment of your skin or
color your skin, but it's this power structure that people want
to tap into. But one guy that always tells the truth is Mr.
Dick Gregory, and I don't have to ask you if you know,
of course, of course. Of course. I love Dick Gregory, of course.
Gregory is going to explain white supremacy versus white
privilege.
The one of the things a lot of people will commenting on and
after watching your videos, they want to know what your thoughts
are on the difference between white supremacy and white
privilege.
White supremacy, people who got white primacy get killed by
white supremacy, people who have white privilege still have to go
to the military. The big folks don't go white supreme, they
just break the word down. White and I'm supreme. It didn't say
supreme to Nick us. Supreme to anybody who ate my blood.
Simple. So good question, you guys. And thank God you shut up
long enough to hear and answer.
Is that one of the last one of these YouTube videos? I
remember, it's just Pete When that first came out people like
what? And who is this guy? Like? Yeah, let's do
it. Gregor. He always beats up on the interview. I mean, like,
trademark. So but as he said, it's about bloodline, that they
have no PDF, send them poor, quote, unquote, and I'm gonna
use this term because I use it for blacks, quote, unquote,
white people to go dark for whatever reason. Yeah, I mean,
they just whatever you say, It furthers I won't send my son or
daughter Some do, but majority now. We're above that. We don't
do that. And I hope at the end of this podcast, hopefully it
didn't take that long. But we realized that we're all in the
same boat. Yeah, exactly.
Unless you're supreme. If you're out there and you're supreme,
you should stop listening. The only get worse.
Or use that privilege. Right, exactly. Yeah. Spread the word.
But the Gregory's doing such a great job. Let's let's let's let
him continue.
Called the answer is in the name of the richest man in the world.
They don't have to ask why he's in what I told them. what I'm
calling a little bit see white in a color. Most of the only
never met a white white person. They never met a white person.
White not a colles attitude. And if you ain't got trillions of
dollars in the bank, you can't have the attitude.
Here's the thing. I've actually met her. Really? I met the
Queen. Yes. I met her at the palace. You didn't know that?
I did not. I learned something new. Every show. Wow.
Yeah, they picked me up. And they actually if you look at
Buckingham Palace, right through the front gates, and now it was
not the only person it was for. It was for the relaunch of Her
Royal Highness his website. But still it was it was only like a
handful. It wasn't it wasn't like hundreds of people. And I
was in the line and yeah, and I said hi and I had already
decided I was going to look her straight nei Anna was not going
to bow at Nationals. She's standing on a box because she's
four feet nine or something. And I shake her hand is glove. And I
look her in the eye and you know what I saw? slits? Nothing man.
Dark, just nothing, nothing at all. I was looking to see if the
eyes would like go reptile, but they didn't.
That's what I was saying asleep. No, I
know. I know. I know what you're saying for the
for the people out here. So you're wondering few people to
actually met a real white person,
an actual white person? Yes. And severely unimpressive. To be
honest. I mean, I don't want to insult anybody. But I wasn't
like, oh, this got some sheen. I mean, I'm Steve Jobs. Quincy
Jones, I put those way higher on the list than to them the queen.
Now I'm about to blow your mind here. All right. You could tell
that story in a different way. And use your proximity to
whiteness to become supreme. Well, to use the privilege,
and I can now now I can say yes. And I deserve that privilege.
And I'm going to put you on your place. Okay, this is an
unexpected twist. All right, I'm ready.
So now we're starting to get the people use these terms do it's
not white fragility that was made up. But um, why white
privilege, white supremacy, these things do exist, but
people don't have whom we are accusing the wrong people of
having it. That's the real problem. And if we excuse the
right people, then we could get the those people out of power.
And we can make the world a better place.
Is that so we have Mr. DeRay Mckesson from Black Lives Matter
and his little blue vest of fame. He's gonna give his take
on whiteness, white supremacy and privilege.
What's the difference between
whiteness and white supremacy. White supremacy is a system that
says that white people are the are the norm or normative are
worth more and are valued at the expense of others. And we think
about a culture that that idea spawned that is whiteness, and
then we think about white people as people who benefit from the
system, white supremacy, whether they participate in it actively
are not. And part of this work is about helping people
understand that. Allies and accomplices are people who like
understand the work, they understand that there's like an
issue in understanding why privilege says that I get that I
participate in a dominant culture. And I benefit from a
system of white supremacy whether I've done something
supremacist or not. In that is like a personal
recognition. Right? Yes, all wrong.
Yes. No kidding.
That's why I wanted to play these two clips back to black,
back to back. So you get here. One guy say most white people
don't know a white person. And this guy said, Oh, it's the
norm. No, it's not. That's what makes no no, it's not the norm.
In the sense that how he's saying it. That's what makes us
special. That's what makes people Kirksey. In, not Jasmine.
Yes,
thank you. You've just answered one of my biggest questions. I
did not expect this. One of my big questions having lived in
the Netherlands, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, having lived in
the Kingdom, the United Kingdom of the Queen's and Elizabeth's
and all that. I've always wondered, why do seemingly
rational people who have who speak of science and you know,
hate new billionaires? Now why do they kowtow to these ugly
people who live in the biggest houses in the middle of your
cities with funny hats? And say, Oh, it's just tradition, because
they truly are the privilege. They are the supreme white
beings.
And why are that why are they the privilege? The blood? The
blood? The lineage? Yep, that's right. It's what you're
respecting. That's right.
Thank you again, I gotta remember this. You're respecting
the bloodline. And then I was throwing of the lizard people or
whatever, I can say Illuminati or I could throw in something
else. But yeah, that and yeah, yes. Thank you Mo.
do is they say Well, I kind of look like noon.
So therefore, you must be just like him. And as we know, my
personal experience is these people are nothing like us. Not
like me and not like you
And they'll tell you that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they'll
make sure you know, just the way they touch me.
Don't touch this. Imagine a human being is like, No, you
cannot touch me. Yeah, that's the ultimate privilege. It's
like you don't even you want to hand me something put a glove on
that nasty commoner hand.
commoner has nice. Wow. All right. So then what happened man
went, I guess they were really smart. And they said, Hey, I
know. Well, that's kind of what the previous clip said. But I
know we'll be able to operate out in the open for secret out
in the open by making everybody else white.
And let's bring it to modern day times when you have this
hodgepodge of different shades of brown people. See, they will
love let's say, let's just call them EQ. Oh, no, they can't say
that colored people can't say black. They can't say brown
because these things mean something we can come up with a
term to create a political majority. That's what they said
reason why they brought a lot of the immigrants in your opinion.
Yeah, we're doing the same thing. It's it's the left is
just repeating what happened on the on in previous history.
That's That's all we're doing. Oh, so let's let derail my cast
and finish up.
We want people to take that personal recognition, step
further and say like, what are the systemic things that
actually create this privilege in the first place, and we want
them to fight at that level. That's what accomplices do. But
I wanted to tweet a lot this phrase watch whiteness work. So
if you were to just summarize and like a sentence, what is
your message to the white community and white people,
white people are going to organize themselves, have to
join solidarity, work with people of color, and have to use
personal experiences to think about how systems allow
privilege to manifest at the personal level. Yeah,
why would they want to do that? It makes no sense. Wow. True
white people.
DeRay Mckesson is clearly a white supremacist. He's in. He's
in on the game.
It's funded by a white person. Soros. Yeah,
there you go. That's what I'm saying. It's um, so
this is yeah, this is just he's propped up to say, oh, yeah,
we're doing something. Yeah. But they know it's not going to be
effective. But it's like, we have to do something. So I know
when everybody's saying well, I thought we were going to talk
about white fragility. We that's what we're talking about. Now.
We just have
I'm not complaining. I'm having a good time. I'm liking it. I'm
just saying we have the layout. The term one. White is two words
white in that fragility. So we've defined the white part.
Yes. Or demystified it because people use that term completely
wrong. But now we're gonna get into the fragility part. All
right, so I was listening to one of my favorite YouTube channels
essence. And they had a thing about fighting racism and white
supremacy in the air on Trump era. And they had some tweets
that kind of defined what white fragility sounds like.
We asked you on social media, What have your experiences been
like when talking to white people about race? And here's
what you said. While Raven three tweeted often I get called a
racist for calling out racial issues, always met with
deflection denial and defensiveness. Keep it moving.
1114 wrote, most telling me slavery is over. And why am I
still so angry? Some white people don't realize that they
still benefit from the wealth of their ancestors. And they by
nature said simply, they just don't get it. Who, huh? Those
are some really interesting comments. What are you all?
So these are people interacting with, quote, unquote, white
people, and they're experiencing the pushback of white fragility
against them when they call them out. So that's what that's what
you just heard. So now we're gonna get into debunking the
myths of white people, white people tell about race.
I'll never forget a moment of standing beside a black man
leading a workshop on race and a white woman said to him, I don't
see color, which said, well, then how are you going to see
racism because I am black. I do think you know that, and I have
a different experience than you do. And you're not going to be
able to understand that and you're not going to be able to
support the parts of that experience that are really
painful and problematic. If you refuse to acknowledge my
reality. I don't see color is really a way of saying I refuse
to acknowledge your reality.
Yeah, well, again, I think it's just ignorance. That's it. And
it's it comes from a defensive, you know, as a white person
amongst white people, you're on the defensive all the time.
But Witten isn't that what Dr. King was pushing for? I'm not
naive. What I'm saying is if you use the left rhetoric, and
they're
No, of course, the way they king as
a control mechanism, we talked about this on the on the MLK
show, he's using a control mechanism. So it's like, you
know, one world and we're all we want to be judged by content,
our character and not the color of our skin. So wouldn't a goal
to be not to see color? I would judge you off of who you are,
how you talk, how you carry yourself, you know, you're off
your capabilities and qualifications. Yeah, well,
okay, let me try this one on for size. Okay. Because a white
person, or just say, you know, a light skinned person, in the
context of what we're talking about isn't, you know, that's
not white people, white person or white person. In that context
with Martin Luther King, it sounds like it's a good idea.
It's like, okay, I heard that by the color of his skin, by the
best character. And so it's a logical leap. But that means
that you figured it out, you know, so we had to put you back
in your place. yt, we got to say, no, no, you can't figure
out that color doesn't matter. So we got to give you something.
This is a long term propaganda of terms where people start
using something then we got to push it down again, because we
found it's, I think it's ultimately all about control.
I totally agree. And the control mechanism is we have to keep one
group in their victimization mentality. And in order to do
that, you have to lay with them a color them self identify as
that color. And then you had to get the white people to buy and
say, no, no, no, no, no, you cannot not see them as a color
for this for this scheme to work. It's wrong again. Why do
you have to be black? Yeah. By the definition that we label
black or a colored person or color, however you want to call
it? And then you have Adam, you have to be white. You have to
you have to see the colors. Yes. For this whole we can't come
together have this conversation. No, no, there's got to see it.
Gotta constantly be reminded. Yeah, so it's despicable really.
And even a black friend won't save you
what's important about that narrative is it reveals what the
person thinks racism is so if the person is using proximity
fondness across race as evidence of a lack of racism in order for
that to be good evidence a racist must not be able to do
that so that rests on an understanding that a racist
cannot tolerate proximity to people of color and I'm hoping
that we can see that's pretty absurd because trust me even
about races can tolerate being around people of color and often
are.
Here's what I often say. They said I do a podcast with a black
man I mean don't have the camera on or anything but I do the
podcast with him this is This is really embarrassing to hear some
of this stuff. The knots people twist themselves in on all sides
just to conform with the fucking control mechanism. It's it's
mind blowing I hadn't really thought about it this deeply.
Well, I found this interesting product that you can get Adam
when you find yourself in that situation. Oh, it's called
racism insurance.
Oh, well this is groovy. I can I can I can barely afford health
insurance now I need racism insurance.
Well, there's an eyesore jingle that tells you exactly what that
is.
Oops, I was raised as black I come here. Thank God for racism
insurance there when you need it most racism insurance
when you find yourself in that jam, yes.
Racism insurance. Have you ever seen Kentucky Fried movie?
No, I haven't. Yeah, you should. If you
have a chance Watch it on Netflix one of these days and
then we should talk about it some interesting students in
there. Yeah, just to remind me of the racism and I don't want
to blow the scene but
yeah, right. Right. Right. But yeah, that's that's when the
black friend won't work. Yeah, go out and run out and get
yourself some racism insurance.
Right. Oh, my God racism Sharon's.
So she goes on to say that it's actually race that divides us.
First of all, we're already divided by race. And focusing on
races is not what did it I would say, not focusing on race,
refusing to grapple with how race shapes virtually everything
is what keeps us divided. And that is a very white narrative,
all of those narratives function to get race off the table, close
the exploration, exempt the person from any further
engagement, and protect the racial hierarchy in the white
position with it, which is an unequal hierarchy. The challenge
I want to offer my fellow white people is changing the question
from if to how so dominant culture asks if I'm racist, and
I want to change that question to how have I been shaped by the
forces of
racism? Now, she threw, like a curveball at the end. I thought
was going to be how am I racist? But then it was almost like and
she said something completely different. I wasn't expecting
that became a whole exercise. Hold on, let me say it and
here's
how have I been shaped by the forces of racist? How
have I been shaped by the forces of racism?
How translation How have you been made racist?
Oh, by other white people telling you so. So
I want to make it clear. And one nice, long, I mean, I had to
watch so many seminars and retraining re education. Jesus
Christ.
No, I rarely hear you take the Lord's name in vain.
Man, I was like, ah, is it gonna ever end I was thought I thought
I was gonna have white fragility there for a minute from the RE
education and she was sick. I mean, they had these people in
these rooms like make their buy in like, oh, this by
the way, I put a pin in this one. He said I would love to do
a show if we can pull it together about training,
diversity training. You know, the corporate stuff it's every
company has it and I think there's a lot there that could
be really good, but a lot that could be damaging for all
and this is the type of person they were bring in. She wrote a
book on it and yeah, what was her name? I actually watched it
her name is Audrey had asked me again, the Angelo
Oh, that was that was that was the same woman Robyn D'Angelo.
It's all Robin got all her. All her
kid a troublemaker? Yeah.
So they bring her in. And she does these reeducation.
Oh, wow. reeducation camp.
Yes. That's what she's saying is you want to identify how you're
being made braces. And then we need to rewire you basically,
that's that's the whole gist of this whole thing.
Oh, yeah. That's, that's what the term means. Re education.
Sure.
Yeah. So of course, I scoured the internet to find the counter
argument. And I found Mr. Paul, Dr. Paul Maxwell, let me give
you a little bio him. It says Dr. Paul Maxwell, PhD explores
the intersection, theology, psychology and politics,
marketing professional expert and celebrity franchise branding
tech publishing nonprofit and higher education. And most of
all, he's a podcaster
Hello, now I don't know who it is. Yeah, sure. Right. Well,
well, where people will you google him? I need to give you
this this disclaimer. Dr. Paul, Max will zero
now you probably think less less. I'm kind of kind of bald,
you know, kind of look like a skinhead. Like where's this guy
going? Right? Like Listen, I'm not about to go on some like
white rights pro pro white rant. I'm not okay.
Yeah, I saw I did look him up. Okay, yes, I can see What's this
guy doing? Yeah, yeah.
Just natural reflex. I was like, let me let me see what what as I
do
everything I was your bias. You were you were judging by the
thickness of his hair as usual.
Well, no. The baldness of his scalp. Yeah. To be more
specific, but he's trying to give a person people a mental
image of who we're talking about before you Google while you
listen to the show. If you ever seen the movie higher learning,
he looks like the character Remi high on learning, which was a
skinhead. I'm just telling you, yeah, yeah, just honest.
Opinion. And when I saw him, I was okay. But I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna hear this guy out, because that's what we do here.
Right? We hear both sides. And he has a very interesting take
on white fragility in 1.1.
So we will begin by talking about a particular book. This is
a book by sociologist Robyn JD Angela. And she writes in her
book called white fragility, why it's so hard for white people to
talk about racism. And she's a white female and and the Angelou
writes that white people are so dazzled by their whiteness that
their own regular normative, explicit and implicit reasons
for violence against racial minorities are actually
camouflage to them, so they almost can't even conceive of
themselves as racist. But not only are these racist practices
camouflaged to whites, but when these practices are brought
under the stage lights through conversation or reading, or
cultural messaging, and when they are diagnosed or
highlighted and challenged by minority culture, such that
white cultures enchantment with its own whiteness is threatened,
that they resort to denial tactics, which refortified Their
enchantment with whiteness and center their own whiteness and
recenter their own whiteness as the Cultural Center and the
cultural norm, and recast minority ethnicity and culture
as as marginal and exotic.
makes you sound psychotic. Really, if you hear the way it's
being explained.
Well, they use another word besides psychotic, and we're
gonna get to that. But I have a question for you. Adam. When's
the last time you've been dazzled by your whiteness?
Well, let me tell you more. In fact, no, just today, my wife
and I were taking our dancing lesson. I looked in the mirror
because it's a dance studio, and I thought, Wow, you dance like
an idiot. Yeah, no, of course not dazzled by whiteness.
Crap. who use these terms? Man, he's, it's just fascinating.
But isn't that just projection? I'm sure. I mean, I see this
picture of her I immediately you have all kinds of preconceived
notions about her. I just I don't like her just the way she
looks. i It's like one of those people like okay one of these
troublemaker?
I know exactly what you say mean when you say one of these
because she is the and I want to use lack of better word
stereotypical ah, what was her profession and multi
multicultural education. I
was just about to look her up as a bachelor's like political
science with a you know, the, with a diversity minor or
something is so obvious.
Yeah, I mean, just the this the look, I mean, and we're not
judging people on looks. It's like when you see a person like,
Oh, yeah.
This whole show is about of course, we're judging people on
looks, don't don't fool yourself.
Look, but the way they fit into a stereotypical role PhD
in multicultural education from the University of Washington,
with a dissertation entitled whiteness in racial dialogue, a
discourse analysis.
Alright, so let's just go straight into 1.2.
Okay, so in other words, D'Angelo makes two simultaneous
claims. One, whites are peculiarly mentally weak,
especially when it comes to race. And two, she's able to
make individual psychiatric diagnoses of individual whites
by using their race as a proxy. For diagnosis, three shields
licensing, anyone who drinks the Kool Aid, have this white
privilege concept to extend that diagnosis to individuals with
whom they converse who actually happen to disagree with them
about this issue of white fragility or race or white
privilege or so on and so forth.
So it's a lose lose? Yes, of course it is. Yeah, and it's one
thing I didn't fail to mention here. Even in her talks and
speeches or whatever else. She's not talking to your trump
supporter. Oh, no, she's not talking to your idealistic Trump
name. I mean, let me clarify that she's not talking to your
what you picture in your mind. You would think like somebody
would have Magga hat on. Oh, no. He's talking to liberals. Thank
you. You're Elizabeth Warren voter. You're Bernie voter.
You're, you're Pete Buda. Judge voter. And yes, your Biden
voter. Sure.
So that's who she's talking about. Cuz she said, Oh, yeah,
yeah. And she even said it in one of hers. It was unclickable.
Cuz I would have brought it if it was, but it was like, in a
roundabout way. She was like, You guys are really the biggest
problem because you say you don't have it. Right. I have
black friends. I live in proximity.
What what do you what are you even thinking of saying?
Right? Right. So that's what she's talking to. That's our
audience is, this is not, you know, she's not going to Middle
America with this conversation. She's well,
well, hold on. I put this in the show notes she did for the
University of Kentucky. That's the south a two hour racial
justice keynote and breakout session in March of 2019.
Excluding travel expenses, housing, accommodations and
meals, she also got $12,000. So maybe we shouldn't mock this too
much. And we should figure out how we can get in on it.
I'm thinking Oh, my God, good money.
Racial Justice podcast with breakout session, I will come up
with something mo I think, Oh, wait, maybe people could
consider donating to the show. See, and I'll just do it here.
Since we're talking all the way. And we're going to start
thanking people next show will be the pls. Yes, yes, the
potluck special. And we're going to thank people. But this is
going to be a show with different shorter topics. And
this is going to want to do those from time to time. And so
it's going to try something out.
Similar to the how the first segment of the show was these
many Yes, diverse topics. And we will have three or fours to five
topic timing I ever to fit in together, it won't be one long
stream of consciousness, it will be segmented and that. And it's
my fault people. I see your donations, we much appreciate
him. But me being the AMO perfectionist, perfectionist
that I am, I haven't found a great way of introducing that
segment to the show. But we appreciate all the value we get
in. Please hit me up on social media. In the DMS, if you've
done a RV, if you haven't donated and I like to have the
conversation push back because I get a lot of questions and
things that challenged me to think so I really appreciate.
And this is running under the value for value model. And here
you go. It's if if we were taking our exact knowledge
changing a little bit, but even the stuff we're talking about
right now, that's worth $12,000 for two hours, excluding travel
expenses. So we expect to receive at least that go to mo
fund me.com M OE f u n d.com? No, seriously, it's whatever
value you place on if you thought it was valuable.
And with our two votes to
buy. Yeah, whatever. Vote for your guy or gal or what are you
saying whatever. This is, right. We're not embarrassed eight.
vermin. So did my guy, vermin Supreme is my guy. All right. So
let's continue. I'm sorry.
Let's get back. That was perfect timing. Let's just get back on
track. And you made a claim that you said it makes you seeing
what way? psychotic?
Yeah, psychotic or egomaniac. Maybe.
That's not necessarily the word they Paul uses. But let's let's
listen to.
So she argues that white people are so socialized by their
whiteness that they cannot without proper racial education
and re education accurately perceive the extent to which
they're racist prejudice against minorities is baked into their
own worldview. Okay, white people are in this presentation,
philosophically, and specularly handicapped by their own race,
about their own race. Okay. So D'Angelo appeals to her own
academic authority as a sociologist to fortify this
claim that whites are epistemological, handicapped
relative to other races. And it is on this assumption of white
philosophical shortsightedness or handicap that programs such
as racial bias training and employee bias training had been
suggested as cures to perceived racism among whites.
Yes, it's very similar as I was thinking about this to something
known as the self hating the self loathing Jew. Very similar
in definition.
But you missed an opportunity here. Oh, Adam. Yes. You get a
another merit badge. Oh, of course,
your handicap. Ah, wow.
According to this, this is a disability. So, um, you move up
on the ladder.
Which by its which, by itself, in an odd way, is again
advancing the white man over everybody else. Even Even, even
as a victim. I'm a better victim than you.
You've just realized that you walk right into that realization
without me even have to say it. Oh, no, I had the goggles off.
Right now. You justify what they're doing is excuse my white
privilege because I have a disability
Okay, I'm going to use that. I'm so sorry. I have a disability. I
have white privilege.
No, no. Your disability is the white fragility. No, of course,
of course. So when people say oh, yeah, you have a well, once
again, Adam, do you realize you have white privilege?
I don't have white privilege.
Oh, well, you're showing signs of white fragility. Adam,
I know. I'm so sad about the status. I can't even do this. I
I knew I need a parking sticker. For the handicap zone. I'm
sorry. disabled. Disabled.
Yeah, but no, no, this, what I'm saying? This is how sick Yeah,
he did that. They can just label whatever we're saying. It's in
jest, but it's a really it's a sign of sickness. What they're
what she's doing here to say, Oh, I I know my privilege. But
you know, and I might get hurt if you remind me of it. But
that's a disability.
isn't a great?
Honestly, I'm bad. Like, wow, you just
why you think I'm a low information voter? Mo just let
me lead me along. All right. I'll go right to the water.
Right. So not so now you didn't go get your badge? Yeah, you can
get your badge or your your sticker. There you go. I'm
making that analogy. Because to say that to somebody that
actually has a real problem. It really has a disability. How
insulting is that? irks me, but I didn't know.
But you know what it is? It's a version of it. And I haven't
fleshed it out yet. But emotional support animals has
something to do with this somehow versus real, specialized
and dogs.
That zactly is exactly what it is.
And people take advantage of that. And so they're they're
literally using their bullshit emotional support. And, look, if
people have real emotional problems, some of them have
animals for that. That train specifically it's ABA compliant.
I've studied this from backwards and forwards. But no, no, no. I
have emotional problems. Here's my dog. Now I get to board early
and take my dog with me.
That is that's the exact manifest manifestation. Oh, wow.
mentality. Yeah. So I'm guessing you're asking well, how do you
spot white fragility? And is there a cure?
Programs such as racial bias training and implicit bias
training had been suggested as cures to perceived racism among
whites, and this is how scientists have begun to
quantify racial prejudice among whites to give them a test that
shows them several dozen black and white images of faces of
various races on the screen, right and classified an ability
to distinguish between the faces of participants own race versus
faces of races to to which the participant did belong, okay. So
any extended delay in the participants ability to
distinguish between other race faces was classified as social
stereotype, and therefore a low score on what they call the
effect of lexical Driving score. So in other words, if you're a
few milliseconds slow on distinguishing black faces from
one another, you're racist.
Oh, man, well, you know that AI is completely racist. All the
algorithms have trouble with black faces dark skin tone. So
it's all racist, racist computers.
I'm sure you wondering, what is implicit bias testing?
Whoa, yes, believe me, I want to know.
So I had to do some digging. I had to go real deep. And I found
this Dateline NBC episode for 2007. Nice. This is how old this
thing is. And
do you think this was being released around the time that
Barack Obama was running for president? I guess, just for
context, just,
there's a, there's a correlation there. So Okay. All right. So
implicit association test one,
you may be saying, not me, I'm not prejudiced. But is it
possible that virtually all of us have a hidden racial bias
hidden even from ourselves. That's exactly what this test is
designed to uncover. Here's how it works. These words and faces
appear rapidly, one after another around the screen. The
test taker is supposed to link each one to the left or right
box here in the center, linking positive words like friend to
good, negative words like awful to bat, white faces with white,
black faces with black. And it's the mistakes that are so
revealing.
Oh, I had another thought while this was going, but just tell
you because it just came out this show and I will make who
knows how many will make but up until now you could take these
24 episodes, bundle them nice leather binder, you know, golden
inlay, and sell them as educational courses. I'm
thinking you know, if you really want to know about racism, white
supremacy, listen to this kids and put the kids in the
classroom let them listen. Then it's 1000 bucks to school.
I think it'd be far more effective than whatever they
whatever just a game right now.
Yes, surgery.
So when I saw this segment I connective happening happening
in my brain. Have you heard of the show watchmen on HBO?
Yes, I started. It started a while ago, I remember watching
the first episode. And at that moment, I was just like, this is
just too stressful for me. I'll come back to it later. And I
haven't gotten back to it. But I have heard great.
First episode I did. Yeah. You saw if you saw the first
episode, you saw a dramatization of the implicit bias testing.
And this is probably why it bothered me most. I mean, I
hadn't even thought about it that way.
You remember when the guy with the mirror mask? Yes. Took the
white supremacist in the pot. And they had the pictures
flashing?
Yeah, yes, yes, yes. That was
a dramatization of the implicit bias test. Oh, my God. They're
feeding this stuff into
it. Right. They're mainlining. Man, right, right into your
brain right into the cranium.
So let me set let me let me let me let me back up a little bit.
Watch the whole piece of shit. Thanks. So watchmen in the show,
they had had this terrorist attack or whatever, and they
round up all these suppose it wipes the premises, and they put
them in this like circle room. And on the walls, they're
showing all these polarizing racial images. And the gods
asking this guy questions like, Are you a racist? Are you a
white supremacist? Are you a member of like, I forgot the
name of the group seven Calvary or whatever, which is like
basically the kk k, right? And like, he's taking notes why he's
asking these questions. That's basically how implicit bias
testing works. In a roundabout way, but when I saw when I saw
this Dateline NBC special, that's when you put it out
there. Holy shit. Yeah. Excuse my language. But yeah, I'm like,
wow, like they're pumping stuff into entertainment.
Well, you know what's interesting, and when I'm very
what you can be very proud of we both can be proud of is that my
response was of rejection. And I don't know what else was going
on. But I sat down I've specifically to watch it and I
have time sometimes during the day, you know, I'm gonna watch
an hour or something. And, and I remember turning it on. And it
was, that was my thought stressful. And you know, I
wasn't completely into the story, but I think because of
this podcast and my my outlook in general, but this podcast
definitely has given me some kind of weaponry against this
propaganda. I rejected it out of hand and hadn't gone back to it.
Now, of course, I have to watch the whole thing, the whole
series, but
that's the whole series, but that is the
Oh, no, no, let me do it. I'll jump on that grenade.
Thank you. Because it was it was like, Oh, you're trying to prod
me? Yep. manipulate me. And I don't do the trauma based
entertainment. But on the reason I watched it watched it, because
why it was free HBO that weekend, to sell it to somebody,
Hey, this is how the DNS work. And I am poor people, please
reach out to me on social media. Because I love that back and
forth. I can't promise you a two hour conversation. But
interesting couple of just a couple back and forth. It was
gentleman said, go ahead. No, no, please. No. Somebody said
you need to watch watchmen because they talk about Tulsa,
and Tulsa, the bombing back and right, like Wall Street. So
that's what drew me and I was like, I want to see how they how
they use this historical event. You know, and I was not, you
know, I was not. I promise, you propagandized it, but
I want to share this and I want to share this anecdote about
watching. I was in the bookstore, then it's a very good
bookstore that we have here in Austin. It's called Good Reads.
Think it's a good read. No, not good reads. That's awesome
bookstore. I don't know it's a it's next to Whole Foods people.
And so I'm in there. And I'm looking for something that
wasn't at for a gift. And I met here, a couple of young couples,
so you know, probably early, mid 20s. And he says, Did you hear
that they're not going to come back with another series of
Watchmen. And she was like, Oh, my God. That's why why but why
he's like, Well, the producer, and I heard this and I was like,
Wow, that sounds like a show. I absolutely don't want to watch
if these two dickheads are so upset about it being canceled. I
mean, it sounds horrible. And now I understand. These were the
zombies. The program zombies were they're lucky that they
didn't scratch me. They were right there.
Now almost got you. Yeah,
this really good. All right. All right. All right. That's a lot
of sidetracking. But worth it. Thank you.
Because it was just I wanted to point that out how they feed
this stuff into pop culture. But let's get back to implicit test
to
Dateline put this experiment to a difficult challenge testing a
cross section of men and women, including some who have
impeccable credentials in race relations. People like Wanda, a
civil rights attorney. Okay, I'm
right. Okay, here it is.
During the first half of the test, right, black is linked to
bad and white is linked to good, right for Wanda, this half of
the test is a breeze. She never makes a mistake left.
Okay, very good. Now, we'll give you the other one.
But let's see how she does when the information is reversed when
the left box marked bad, has a white face. And the right box
labeled good has a black face. Last left suddenly the test
becomes much more difficult for Rhonda, about a third of the way
through she makes a mistake linking the white face to the
right box, even though that shows a black face. I lost score
indicates a strong preference for White. Is this because she
unconsciously associates white with good
Oh, wow.
And that's the basis of your test.
I wonder what the science is the neurosciences behind that. Wow.
Okay.
It is blacks and pitchers good bad and then they do in reverse
order.
Oh, well, you missed one racist.
Right and Rhonda was she was distraught. She's Oh my god.
I can't believe I'm a racist.
I can't believe I was bad.
And there's your exit strategy right there. Adam. Is that your
app? Yeah. Implicit bias
Yeah, oh like to hit with a tinder element. I like it mo I
like it. Alright, let's let's finish the show up so we can
start working on the design
and placement test
and as reveal long as those results are the biggest surprise
is yet to come left left. Joan is a sales and marketing
consultant. Even for many black test takers, the more
challenging part of the test seems to be when Black is
associated with good and white with bad. Okay, then get halfway
through, we'll start over. Ready? After two attempts, she
still can't make it to the end. I've done it again. Even so Joan
still thought she'd show a preference for her own race.
Would you be surprised then Joan, if I said that your test
showed a slight preference for Weiss? Yes, I would be. Does it
shock you? Yes. I hear flabbergasted, flabbergasted.
And Joan isn't alone. Dennis is the leader of a civil rights
organization. According to his test in the studio, Dennis is
neutral. But his individual computer test showed a
preference for White. His response,
all we had in images were Whites through the type of media
outlets that we were exposed to during my age generation. And
that was a constant reinforcement over and over
again.
You're a bad person.
So even even the black people are racist. But we've got to
test this.
It's because because of the the white supremacist television
of course, of course, exactly what it is. It's not that the
test can be maybe confusing. So he's
a racist, black man. But he's also has he's disabled, because
it was the fault of the white supremacist media that made him
that way.
That's if you lean into the victimization mentality. So you
have to accept it. Yeah, yeah. Except if you if you accept that
victimization mentality, which I'm not Pooh poohing the power
of propaganda. But if you can, it propaganda can make you
unlearn what you know, what you experience? That's some powerful
stuff, man.
You're not kidding me.
I mean, because you're you don't have the excuse of, quote,
unquote, white people say, Well, I don't know any black people.
So maybe the news is telling the true maybe the TV is telling the
truth, you live in experienced black people every day. So
either we have to have one way either mass media is running
this super powerful propaganda machine. That's nobody's immune
to. Or you have to accept the victimization mentality. So
which one is it? But it's got to be one or the other. Right? So
it gets even more interesting in tests for
the African Americans that professors have tested. 42% show
a preference for whites, a large number, especially when you
consider that only 17% of whites show a preference for blacks go
left, right. And one of the other African Americans we test
it right Heather is an assistant district attorney right on the
part of the test where the black face is paired with the word bag
right, Heather has noticeable difficulty and can't finish, she
showed a strong preference for African Americans. And her pride
was unabashed. That made me feel more comfortable knowing that
I've embraced my culture that Randolph a high school music
teacher also showed a preference for his own race.
Does it concern you at all that you have a strong preference for
African Americans?
Does that score mean that I do not like European Americans? No.
Is my subconscious aware of the condition that African Americans
are in in this country at this particular point? My conscious
is
over. Does it concern you?
Concern you sir, does it concern you that you could possibly you
know, I'm saying right. Does it concern you that you like
yourself?
Right and people to happen that like you? Do you have a
definition nepotism, right definition again? Yeah. Do you
have a preference for people that look like you? That's the
problems in these people eyes that's it. No, no, no, no, no,
no. No.
What is this multi layered trap? This is great.
You can't it's labyrinth, the labyrinth Jack You can't escape.
Whatever turn you run into it's a dead end it's like racist,
racist, or your or your you know, have a self identity
problems which were called by the racist television. So it's
like you narrative white or black? You can never escape
You're having free thought, you know that's not an option. But
it has to be a reason behind why you feel the way you feel. And
being a free thinker. That's that's totally bad.
For Bolton, we can't have that.
You can't have that free. Thank you. But let's wrap up with this
Dateline NBC on test five. All
right, I'm gonna pass this one. I think I can do
this. Dozens of professors know that there's a difference in
reactions between blacks and whites, when they find out they
have a preference for their own race. Of course, it bothers me,
but I could say it's pride or prejudice. What blacks consider
a badge of healthy self esteem. Many whites regard as an
embarrassing revelation.
Yeah, exactly. And that's the that's the way it's designed.
So he can't escape it.
Can I can I can I play a little little na jingle here that's
appropriate to cuz a lot of people may not have heard this
one. Be fun to play, please. Just a shorty. It feels racist.
It's a pig. It just says you skin is shifting into your
round. So don't have a pen. And just watch it. There you go.
Everybody do what you're told. The Great Secret Agent Paul.
Just do what you're told.
Do what you're told. That's exactly it. And it's for all
those categories when we're talking about skin color right
now. Of course, that's part of the conversation, but is a lot
of its actuality, the gender all of it's in their control.
So I don't like to be part of the problem to be more a part of
the solution. Yes, we always love and so what I did was dug
and dug and dug. And I found this training video of how to
deal with white fragility in the workplace. Okay. Hey, Jen.
I really like your hair. Thanks, Becky. I think the curls are
awesome.
The girl says literally, Becky. Okay, let's try it again. Hey,
Jen.
I really like your hair. Thanks, Becky. I think the curls are
awesome. Black. Here's the best. Can you do that?
It's kind of inappropriate. What? Why? Well, it's
kind of racist.
Whoa,
you're probably wondering what went wrong in this workplace
interaction between Becky and Jen. Unless you have a keen
understanding of racial discrimination in today's
workforce, you probably didn't notice that something very
offensive has taken place. Jen called Becky the R word, causing
Becky to feel shame and sadness. How can we avoid situations like
this?
Whoa, wait a minute. That's also a hijack of the R word. That's
not okay. I want to the o g r word is now gone. We can't even
use that anymore now.
So let's get to you on Oh, please. This is a very
informative training video.
Now you said you said you were trying to be part of the
solution and you give me this?
Yes. Can we not? We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna fix
people.
We're here to re educate. Yes, reeducation? Yes.
Yes. Workplace to
workplace discrimination is a very serious issue. And we have
to be sensitive to our employees different ethnic and cultural
backgrounds. And just as it's important to be sensitive to our
black Arab and other non white coworkers, it's also equally
important to be sensitive to our white coworkers sensitivity to
that sensitivity.
So I gotta stop. I gotta listen to that, again.
Important to be sensitive to our black Arab and other non white
coworkers. It's also equally important to be sensitive to our
white coworkers sensitivity, you know, we
have to be sensitive for the white co workers sensitivity.
Okay, just taking notes.
That sensitivity
Oh, shoot, I get I'm sorry. This is a three sensitivity so
it's not easy to be sensitive to our white coworkers sensitivity
to that sensitivity. The what
we have okay to be sensitive to the white person sensitivity to
their sensitivity. Yes. No wonder kids are antidepressants.
Can you believe that Trump wants to build a wall? I mean, I must
really bother you as a Mexican. I Totally, I am Olivia. How are
you? I went to Berkeley.
Sometimes racial discrimination in the workplace can happen
unintentionally. Take, for instance, this scene where Marco
accidentally angered Tom by correcting him. Marco may not be
Mexican, but correcting Tom in that manner made Tom confused,
scared and hostile. This situation could have been
avoided altogether. Let's see how,
oh boy, I'm so happy. We're gonna find out how she 2.10 My
goodness, this is this is new. It's I'm trying to process it
all. It's very new. You've already you had advantage here.
You've heard all this once before, or multiple times. Okay.
I just want to process that one. You know, Professor Ted
Kaczynski wrote in his famous manuscript, industrial society
and its future, and he's a Harvard professor, you can look
them up, you'll be amazed when you learn about him. He wrote
that one of the problems of technology in the future would
be over socialization of children. And what I just heard
going back to the previous clip, with the sensitive to the
sensitivity about that sensitivity, that is over
socialization right there. You're so because you're
socialized and you you have to be so sensitive to everything,
and to everybody that your brain is, you know, has like, is
running it just 3000 RPM all the time, just to just to process
all the information and it makes you tired. And then probably
depressed. All right. Okay. Yes, I'm sorry. I will go to the next
one so we can continue and learn about it. I'm fascinated how I
can fix it. Fix myself.
Can you believe Trump wants to build a wall? I mean, that must
really bother you as a Mexican. Yeah.
I love Mexicans. They're so hard working. Yeah, they I mean, yes,
we are. We are great.
Crisis averted.
That's how you Viva Mexico. Crisis averted everybody. Oh.
All right. Point three. What is this from? Where did this come
from?
This is from zero plus,
this. This is serious. No,
thank god. She's like, who knows, man. This, this can be
played in schools. For all I know.
There's a reason to my man.
Every day, we learn more about how people of color live with
histories of oppression. And every day we forget about those
who also live with those histories. The oppressors? You
see, the average person of color has spent years developing a
thick skin when it comes to systemic racial oppression,
while the average white person can go through many of their
formative years without ever having to think about race. So
hearing about racism can be traumatic for your white co
workers and create a negative work environment. White
Privilege might seem like everything is easier all the
time. And it is can also be hard, because feelings are hard.
This is genius. This is very good. I like it. So this goes
back to what we talked talked about. We're dealing with
people, not my words. white fragility is a disability. So if
you take this literally, it's on the onus of the person is not
disabled. To make their environment more palatable and
yes, to the person with the disability, yes,
unless, unless they have one leg that I don't know if that wins.
What
what I'm just saying is in this, this is a spoof,
but it's not that far from reality.
If you take it literal that the people that you're dealing with
are actually dealing with a illness. It's on you to
mold that provide that first clip had me totally hooked. I
thought it was totally real.
It could be this this is the dimension thing. You were you
were in one dimension. Yep. I sure wasn't looking at anything.
You were in one dimension looking at it. So you like this
seems
real, totally real.
which it is, if you take this term white fragility series on
its own merit?
Yeah. You tricked me was good. That's very good.
Well, let's get into the solution. Whoo, I
can't wait.
Being sensitive to white fragility is difficult, which is
why we've devised a simple system to help you foster a non
hostile work environment for your white employees and co
workers. Stop, ignore, listen, emphasize, never complain. And
eat. We like to call it the Cylance system. Let's watch what
happens when Cylance is put into action.
That's your solution, a Cylance. fillets. Would you care to see
still it's in action,
I would love to see some Cylance in action mo
4.1.
So I'm not racist. Stop. Like I voted for Obama. Ignore, like, I
understand the reason for the Black Lives Matter movement.
Listen, but it's just like, all lives do matter. Empathize. I
just feel like race really isn't relevant to kind of America
anymore. Never complain?
You're really easy to talk to Adrian, and II?
That's right. Excellent. Adrian was able to defuse a potentially
hostile work situation by using sillens. Great work, Adrian.
America is a beautiful country built on some ugly things.
Things that just don't belong in the workplace. And in order to
remain productive, we must all pitch in to protect our most
powerful and most fragile, because when sillens works,
everyone works. So let's all be sensitive. White sensitive.
Very good. Very, very, very good.
Now there were there you have it. That is a wrap up or white
fragility.
Yeah. Excellent. Mo, thank Thank you. You helped a lot. I'm going
to have to review this for myself, particularly the fact
that well, this is the bottom line, my take away. Let's get
together brothers and sisters of all human resources and fight
the real power. The true supremacy, the bloodlines, who
obviously our have figured out through media, how to keep us
enslaving ourselves. It's a fantastic system works it just
works like a mofo. It's fantastic. Now, of course,
inherently, people who probably listen to this podcast already
have some armor against this but it's what a fantastic way to
unpack it. Thank you Mo. I really appreciate I always do,
but this is another one of those. I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna
go downstairs told Tina like oh, man, you just gonna have to
cancel work. You have to listen to this. She only has a 10
minute commute now so it's a problem. Oh man, so does I know.
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