Yo mo facts with Adam curry for November 18 2019. This is
episode number 15. How you doing? Mo?
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topic for today, because we did discuss it briefly and I sent
you a clip or two that you needed. So let's see what we've
got in store today.
Yes, so there was a New York Times article by Miss Farah
Stockman. And let's just get right into it.
Before Well, before we get to the article, um, when I read the
article, I knew what it was when I started reading it.
Yeah. What was the title of this article? What was it?
The title of the article? Don't actually stop me. I actually, if
you just want to play number four,
okay, we'll get to it right away
her article titled, we're self interested, the growing identity
debate in black America. Why a movement that claims to support
the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by
conservatives and attacked on the left.
Right. That's a mouthful.
Yeah. And there was, yeah, there was, I saw some tweets going
back and forth, I saw Antonio more getting upset about it, or
at least he had something to say maybe upset is the wrong term.
I'm very, very curious. And
it worked perfectly as designed. And as I said, Before, I knew
exactly what it was when I read it. And honestly, as as I always
do with these shows, I give a lot of thought if I want to
cover a topic at night. And I was on the fence about this one,
because covering it in the wrong way contribute to what the
purpose of this article was about. And this purpose of this
article was to cause dissension and be a tool of a similar
system, co COINTELPRO. And we'll get to that definition that
later. But there's, first of all, we need to go back and
define racism and white supremacy to do that.
Okay, is this a quiz? Or do I do I just know.
Actually, Mr. Neely Fuller, we use his definition on a previous
show. So we'll go there.
Well, there's we are on our system of white supremacy.
That's the most powerful government that the world has
ever seen. And that's the title of it. By the way, it doesn't go
by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other
titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are
under is in capital letters. The system of white supremacy
worldwide is just one world government. And that's the only
government in town, the only government on the planet that
really counts. That is worthy of having a title of government.
Right? And this goes back a couple shows and we listen to
this the first time and Next. Yeah, that's actually a very
good episode. People should check that out. We went in
pretty deep with that.
Yeah. So the reason why I did this is because Mr. Neely
Fuller, is going to drop some more wisdom on us to explain why
blacks hate on blacks
slave ship, which is what the whole world is. See, if I'm the
captain of the ship, I will come and look down in the hash. And
honestly, it's just about beating. But we don't have
enough food because I'm a Sikh, too, it is not enough. We got a
bad boy. So I'm going through just enough food down here for
toilet. I decided to do it. As I do it all, where we are joined
Avenue where you find black people, that's how they do it.
They hand out the goodness, but it ain't enough. And what's
gonna happen when you throw another food 20 People in the
hole of a ship where it's 40 people, you got to bite them,
right? That's why black people can't stand each other. Over a
period of years, we spent all that time fighting each other.
But whatever thrown down at hatch, Mass Ave on the day is
just cracking inside.
Look at. Right this
this idea, of course works with any group of people. Except it's
been systemic with black Americans.
Yes. And as we see on any continent, across the world,
they will have just enough resources to make the people
native to that continent, fight over the resources that they
throw out. Right. So this is exactly what this article was.
It was enough attention thrown out divided to cause a fissure
in the list. There's some terms here we need to clarify. You
have a Das. Right. You have FBA, which is finance, foundational
black Americans. And do you have the granddaddy of them all? Is
the NBA native black Americans? No. Wow, I
hit. I knew about SBA because that was that was the article
but NBA was new to me. Okay.
They're the reason why NBA is not popular for for the obvious
reason, it couldn't be confusing. Well, yeah. And it
couldn't be a hashtag
or Right, right. Oh,
what's the word I'm looking for? Um, well, it's it. Obviously,
it shares its initials with the National Basketball Association.
So it's just not gonna work in trademark. trademark. Sure.
Sure. Sure.
Yeah. So if you do hashtag NBA, you got some social media is,
it's gonna say it's going to be swallowed whole by the actual
National Basketball Association. So with that said, if we can
hear the headline of this article one more time because
when I read the headline, I said, Oh, okay.
What's going on? Titled, we're self interested, the growing
identity debate in black America. Why a movement that
claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being
promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left. Okay.
Now, this is how you and I met then you know, different you
helped me get an understanding of a DA so American descendants
of slavery. So I was obviously interested in the topic and I
kind of figured I think I figured out the same thing you
did is what was going on with this.
So one is why conservatives like it. Why liberals don't like it
written from our liberal newspaper, targeting liberal
audiences. Left audience left wing audience the word the worst
use claims some like what was going on with his headline just
off the gate and that was like a kind of erode and when I first
saw it, but when you dive into the first paragraph, you get a
hint of this. The first paragraph alone was pitting
eight us against immigrants. Here's the first paragraph
in Hollywood. Harriet Tubman is played in a new movie by a black
British woman, much to the annoyance of some black
Americans on the United States Census, an ultra wealthy
Nigerian immigrant and a struggling African American
woman from the south are expected to check the same box
when many American universities tout their diversity numbers.
Black students who were born in the Bronx and the Bahamas are
counted as the same ame a spirited debate is playing out
in black communities across America over the degree to which
identity ought to be defined by America by African heritage, or
whether ancestral links to slavery, or what should count
most of all. Tensions between black Americans who descended
from slavery and black immigrants from Africa and the
Caribbean are not new, but a group of online agitators is
trying to turn those disagreements into a political
movement.
Hmm. Okay. So here, right off the bat. Right, he leaves him
with the Harriet Tubman movie, which was a point of contention
between a big controversy, big controversy between native
blacks and non native blacks. Me. So one, we've seen a uptick,
a major uptick and non native blacks getting cast to play
roles. Representing native blacks. And I want to use that
term native blacks from now on because of the whole divide
between FBA and AWS, the time I'm going to use and that's it,
that was the original term from the very beginning to identify
black, black America. So that's what I'm gonna use for now just
so people don't get confused.
All right, so you're using the the NBA, using the NBA acronym.
Specifically, because of the confusion between a DOS and FBA
as riled up by the New York Times, is that when I'm
understanding that is very correct. And is this something
that does this mean that you no longer stand behind the A das
brand? Or is it just for purposes of this show?
Well, that's the thing a Das is not a brand. A Das is a lineage
and that I think if you everybody goes back and listen
to my old shows, and whenever I identify the A Das, I say I am
not of a Das, the group. I am a Das. By Lainey, she got it. And
there's a big difference there. And it's gonna be a huge part of
this story, how this story caused the group and the lineage
to go off the rails and created a bunch of tension between just
put it into tension intergroup tension, right so so the article
like said article ra starts pitting black immigrants against
Native blacks or a das however you want to say it. And that
was, you know, using this using this Harriet Tubman thing and
like you say even you knew about it, it crossed over the
timeline.
Yeah. Well, what's so interesting, what's so
interesting about it is, whenever a non trans person is
even cast in a role portraying a trans person is a Twitter blows
up with outrage over oh my god, why can't we use an actual trans
person? And, you know, there's all kinds of outrage about that
across the board. But then when it comes to the Harriet Tubman
movie, and there was a lot of shoulder shrugging, going on was
my feeling.
And it's been done like that, like say, a lot of the movies
are Jordan, Peele makes these cast. Not NET Native blacks in
the role of playing native blacks. I mean, this is a common
occurrence. And then let's just make a side note here. The
Harriet Tubman movie was trashed.
I haven't seen it yet. So I haven't
either. I haven't either. But reason why I say that is. I knew
it was gonna be trash, because one is trauma based.
Entertainment. Gotcha. Two, two. From the reviews I read, and
I've read a whole host, they made the black male, the enemy.
Right.
So it was multifaceted messaging in this particular movie, which
is kind of the point, right? We want to activate black women and
shun the men. I've learned mo I pay attention.
All of this is going up to 2020. This are going up to 2020. And
don't let it be lost on you. That the very week this article
dropped. Who said they were running for president?
Oh, yes. Deval Yeah. Deval Patrick.
Yeah. Deval Patrick. Yes. That timing is not Not, not
coincidental. Interesting. go back and listen to Obama saying
all hashtags is not activism. Right? Hello. It was a setup. I
believe so. Um, so just to give you an idea of the immigrant
versus native black paid off, you know what, I'm not going to
self censor because I'm not gonna let a group hijack my
lineage. Now, they did have to give credit to Yvette. And tone
talks because they did coined a term and since May you have been
talking? I've always gave him that credit because I was like,
it was ingenious. It was an ingenious hashtag. It wasn't a
genius. Acronym because it rolls right off the tongue from just
branding. Yes. standpoint similar to Maga. I mean, it's
genius. And I don't want to link those two together, but just
from the Mac, it rolls off your tongue. Does. It's like high def
DVD versus blu ray. Blu ray rolls brought out desert and I
think that's part of the reason why they won the tech war
between the two two technologies but demand is just my personal
opinion. But just to give you some context of the shade quote
unquote shade that black immigrants have been throwing at
us we have larger mall
ever since this whole I was hearing about this whole Atos.
From the minute I heard about it, it was like a division.
Yeah. amongst black people. Yeah, it was a division. It
seemed like some sort of, well, you're not American enough. Like
what's your lineage like? Like, we had a conversation about
reparations and noticed a while ago on a God cast and adults
came up. And you know, you had some people but I don't think
large balls, Atos. Anyway. So, you know, Hey,
knock. Are you are you at us?
Here's the thing. On my father's side, no. Okay. We trace back to
Guyana. Okay.
You know, a guy is not a DOS when he pronounces an OD dos. So
you know, he's, he's already not in the loop as far as I'm
concerned.
Right. And as you heard him say, no, not on my not on my father's
side. I'm not a Das. Right. And here's the thing, if you're not
a Das, you can have an opinion on it. I mean, everybody's
having a pain or anything, but you can't have any say so. But
if he's eight hours on his mom's side that counts, does it not?
Well, that's to be determined. Because on the next clip, he
just to give you I'm saying to foreshadow, he says, he can't
trace his mom's side. Okay, so he doesn't know. So from his
standpoint, he's personally a das on his mom's side, and not a
Dawson his father's side. But they these users were always
divisive is divisive? Yes. That's the whole point of and a
on DOS, because in the show that you did prior to me contacting
you, you use the term dos.
Right. And I'd probably pick that up somewhere, if it's
something I was reading, right.
There was no problem with that. But that was, like, part of the
catalyst for me to write you and say that A is important. A
great, no, I was gonna say it's,
it's very simple. We have lots of black immigrants, brown
immigrants, reddish brown and dark black, all kinds of
immigrants, who, in America, in general are seen as black. But
that's not the same as Americans who came here who descended from
from slavery that you got to different credentials.
And apart the whole movement, is based off trying to be repaid
for services rendered. I'm gonna use the original language I
always use from America. Now, if you're from Jamaica, then you go
to the country that held Jamaica, you see, I'm saying, if
you're from Haiti, you go to France, right. And you hold
France responsible. And the thing is, is with a Das, not the
not a das group, but the people. If we were successful from
getting reparations from America, don't you think we
would share that with other groups of people? This is the
blueprint, you know, this is what we did. But and I want to
make this very clear before we move on any further. black
immigrants have a large portion of black immigrants have been
very supportive of the A das movement. We've called them
allies, you weave We discussed that before. Yeah. So it's only
a certain group of people that, um, that have not been
supportive. And I have my theories or why because if a Das
is made whole through reparations, then that ruins
their claim of using victimization mentality. For
getting gain, yes. You see, you get what when you see what's
happening here, they're masking themselves in that victimization
mentality to get things like affirmative action and, you
know, get to get ahead, but then once they Well, the benefits
is even more cynical than that the powers that be in
government. They're the ones lumping Kamala Harris is a good
example. They're the ones lumping it all together and
saying, Why did you if you've got a black skin color, it's
your lucky day. But all under the guise of reparations. I
think she's used the terms explicitly. But it's, that's you
know, that you're talking about different kinds of different
groups of people with different backgrounds and ergo,
particularly when it comes to slavery, different possible.
remuneration. Yes. So let's get into the second Lord Lord your
market.
Caribbean, South America. Yes. Ghana's Caribbean. It's in South
America, but it's considered Caribbean in a way got it. This
one.
Why don't the American the West Indian Day parade I think pretty
sure I see good
bad flags flying around
America, right? I'm just like, you might see Honduras or
something like all but that's all in South America. So anyway,
um, now my mother is adopted, so I don't know her. I still got to
do some research on on, you know what I mean? I have discovered
one side of her father now I gotta trace where his family's
from, but I did the trace on my father's side. So on that side,
no, I'm not adults. Possible. I'm on my mother's side. I am.
But see. Again, that's some bullshit. Right? So current
Atos. You shut the fuck up. Or I might be hatin on it. Because,
well, I ain't gonna get nothing. Right. You know, if we did get
reparations, I'm not gonna get nothing. So, you know, why would
I care? Something?
Wow, that that shows the whole problem right there.
Yeah. And you know what's funny at the beginning of the clip,
the interviewer who was Vlad from Vlad TV, he says, Are you
referring to? Um, I think
he says Jamaica, South America at a certain point. He's like,
No, I said, got guy who's got Guyana, Guyana. So he said, Yes.
So he said, No, no, no, that's not Caribbean. That's South
American. Oh, so you can make it just determined stuff. Right?
No, not even that. But you can make? No, correct. People will
say no, I'm not part of that group. I'm part of this group.
Right. But if we do it, it's a problem. Yeah,
quite hypocritical. And if you're going to have an opinion
on a DDoS, you might want to do the work on your mom's side. And
not just a I got to do that one day.
But yeah, so I mean, it's just to get you to attitude issues.
Um, you know, like I said, a very large group of people have
been supportive, you can you can verify this. They have been
allies, because they understand what's at stake here. And we're
gonna say, we're not asking for a handout, we made that clear,
I've made that clear on previous shows, is for services rendered.
And for non Athos people for non native black people. The ones
that don't feel like it's benefiting from them, there is
have been a segment that have been very negative towards you.
And we have seen that, you know, play itself out. So let's just
continue on with a das versus immigrants.
It goes on to say they want colleges, employers, and the
federal government to prioritize black Americans whose ancestors
toiled in bondage. And they argue that affirmative action
policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery
in America have largely been used to benefit other groups,
including immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean.
Right? This is this is the genesis of this show. Exactly.
That's the argument. Okay.
So what's the problem?
was the way he was reading Well, the way he was reading it,
probably with the right tone for the New York Times like oh, look
what they're doing. Oh, what do they think they are asking to
determining who they are in background?
Yes. And then we You see, the, the percentage of academic that
is not native black or Athos, do you understand how these thought
group these three groups and think tanks will be against aid
us? Sure, yeah. Oh, it's like, how dare you cut off, you know,
you know, this supply here. We're coming in we're masking.
Yeah, we're masking ourselves is, you know, it's black, quote
unquote, black and we didn't have, let's be clear, we didn't
have this problem 50 years ago, because when you said black 50
years ago, everybody knew meant black, right? It meant a loss,
it meant native black. But as you have is increase, which is
probably close to 8020 Split now between eight Austin and 80%,
and not eight off being 20 push that and it's growing every,
every year. Now, when you say black, it means something
totally different. And they like said groups like things like
affirmative action. And that's what they're really pissed off
about is like, you know, how dare you, you know, put a, you
know, a barrier between us and the goodies that we get by by
playing the role of a victim?
What was the moment and we may have covered this in a previous
show? What was the moment when that really changed when
specifically affirmative action start to be used, or offered, I
should say to non Adolph groups.
I'm gonna say in the 1960s 19 state, action was broken from
the very beginning because it opened itself up to minorities,
right? So yes, already coming. It could mean really anything.
And I use the analogy that we kicked the door open and they
held open for everybody else. Why they why they went in and
now that we're saying Now we don't want to hold the door no
more. Now everybody got their panties in a bunch. So right
because
people don't even think about the the genesis of affirmative
action because it was broken from the get go. So it's it we
got a lot of undoing to do, I guess.
Yes. So I'm just so we're gonna get into a das versus emigrants
versus Tyreek
now the next paragraph says, the film producer Tariq Nasheed is
among the outspoken defenders of the idea that the American
descendants of slavery should have their own ethnic identity.
Quote, every other group, when they get here goes out of their
way to say I'm Jamaican, I'm Nigerian. I'm from Somalia, he
said, but when we decided to say, Okay, we are a distinct
ethnic group, people look at that as a negative. This year
responding to requests for, quote, more detailed
disaggregated data from our diverse American experience, the
Census Bureau announced that African Americans will be able
to list their origins on census forms for the first time,
instead of simply checking black
Ah, me. Meanwhile, everyone was arguing about gender, whatever,
whatever we would argue, but the important questions are in there
now.
Yes. So I'll be able to list black origin American. So if
they want to claim their origin, then you have a clear
identifier, right. So if we go back and start recalculating how
we do affirmative action, we say we'll and we had this
conversation before, but I don't think a firm actually done the
right way. Because one, it lowers the standards. I don't
agree with that. But I think it should, should, I mean, if
you're going to say want to have in the current way set up, if
you're going to say we're going to have X amount of spots set
aside for native blacks, then that cuts them out the deal,
right, if you want to mark where you correctly from, and this is
where this is where the real rub comes in, but let's not ignore
something here. In this last clip, they they mentioned Tyreke
nasheed first Tyreek now she is not one of the original creators
of Athos right? And when I read this I said that's going to be a
problem. And that was very that was done from my standpoint
strategically now this is like
this isn't one of those examples where like people say Ricky
Gervais is the pod father and not Adam curry is not possible.
Exactly exactly.
Can I tell you that David never felt good to me so
we you can you can identify with it you know look great it up all
podcast and you know, and then they have you listed way down
the article is no, just just a guy you know? Yeah. Oh, well,
I guess my point is, it's also because you say, Well, it seems
by design could be. But I'm just taking the other side saying I
think is just dumb idiots. The the journalists are not great
all the time. So it could also just be Oh, this guy seems to be
the mouthpiece right now put him at the top. That's my point.
That's the problem. Gotcha. That is the exact problem. You're
working close with, I mean, for you to use the hashtag Athos.
Right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you list the cuz? Here's the thing.
I'm looking at the structure of the article right now. So they
mentioned how Reek, they mentioned his quote. And then
the very next paragraph is where they mentioned the two founders
of Athos, gotcha. That seemed very fishy to me. While I want
you to switch it around and it's your article doesn't lose any
any meaning. But if we're set out to what Neely Fuller said,
So food alpha 21. You got 40 people down there? Here it is.
Exactly. Here it is, though the state down and Washington
Washington, bra for it. And I knew when I read this article
and the order of that I was like why did just not being intimate
with the with the whole situation. I'm like, Why did I
mention him first? And but he has been he has the larger
platform. He has been supportive of a Das, the hashtag. So people
identify him with the group.
And the writer Farah Stockman who wrote this article, what do
we know about Farah Stockman?
Well, I'm glad you asked that, because that's a very
interesting thing. Once she's racially ambiguous what that
means when you look at her you she could be Latino, she could
be mixed. She could be whatever, um, what I mean by that is it's
not clearly it's not clearly identified. Right. And I
couldn't find exactly where she identified as anything. But what
I'm glad you asked that question. Um, one thing I did
identify with a, she did a lot of teaching abroad in Kenya.
Hmm. Which goes maybe leans towards why she's being so
supportive of the non native black struggle against Athos.
Right? It's just a thought, yeah, she
was in Kenya from 97 to 2000. Yes. And she served as a school
teacher in Kenya for two years. And then she started, oh, and
then she set up a non governmental organization. Okay,
that's something I should look into. And that's when she
started. It's always and that's when she started writing for the
New York Times. And I interesting, I see that.
There was another article,
deciphering eight awesome new social movement or online
trolls, which came out in November 13. Right after this
one, gotcha. Okay. Just a data points. All right. All right.
Yeah.
So just that just a little background, but that to say that
order of cool was mentioned first. It seems petty. But as
you say, it rubs you the wrong way. When another person is
mentioned. As the founder of podcasting, you know, or the pod
father or whatever you say, however, you want to identify
yourself, I don't want to identify you.
Thanks. misgendered. Me, bro. Yeah, I
don't want to miss. So I'm now so now we're getting to the good
part. insurgent.
The article goes on to say the goal of ADOS is two founders.
Antonio Moore, a Los Angeles defense attorney, and Yvette
Cornell, a former aide to Democratic lawmakers in
Washington is the hardest frustrations among black
Americans by seizing on the nation's shifting demographics,
embracing their role as insurgents, Mr. More and Miss
Cornell held their first national conference in October
and have made reparations for the brutal system of slavery
upon which the United States was built a key tenant of their
platform. Wow,
insurgents. What an interesting choice of term is because
insurgent almost to me, you know, an insurgent is like a
terrorist.
Yeah, with the mass that's the you know, when you hear that
word, you think roadside bombs. Yes. I mean, that's just the
mental picture that you get when you hear surgeons and then when
you go to the previous pair Grab it says what it say. They're
trying to harness the frustration among black
Americans. And then you go down to the next paragraph and you
say insurgent.
Yeah. So insert not. And in fact, I just took a look, this
is what we heard for years in Iraq. If there was an IDE, a
roadside bomb, any type any type of attack against the Allied
troops there, it always was written in the news as
insurgents detonated a bomb insurgents, its insurgents,
insurgents insurgent. So it's kind of that's the connotation
that's in the New York Times would use that word in that
context. So that's interesting. Yes.
So for the people out there that will love a formal definition of
insurgency. We have that for you.
Insurgency as a rebellion against a constituted authority
when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as
belligerence. It is the organized use of subversion and
violence to seize, nullify or challenge political control of a
region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle in which
both sides use armed force to create space for their
political, economic and influence activities to be
effective.
Wow. Man, that's yeah. So using that term in this context is is
off. Now that go let's go back to that previous ah, two
paragraphs says only what the actual paragraph it says
embracing their roles as insurgent. Mr. More I missed the
current Mrs. Karnail. Hilldale first national conference. So
your mental image is a bunch of black insurgents. Yeah, getting
together holding us and holding the conference like the Panthers
man. Yeah. And this Imagine if now see that this is why I say
that people piss on native black people. I imagine if she used
this language, speaking on care.
Oh, you mean the Council of American Islamic Relations? Yes.
Oh, yeah. Be a huge problem.
She be fired? Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
You see what I'm saying? I mean, like now it's like, hey,
well, it only occurs once in the article, but it literally says
embracing their role as insurgents. And that's a very
liberal, Deaf definition.
She does she does this with definition code. So quote,
unquote, definition of the word. Well, we all know, words change.
I mean,
well, okay. Sorry, I didn't get them didn't get the memo,
because you can still look it up on. On any dictionary online. It
says a rebel or root revolutionary attack by armed
insurgents as an example. Yeah. And violence is almost always a
part of insurgency.
Yes. So then you follow that up with paid off being like Trump,
their movements
has also become a lightning rod for criticism on the left. It
skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar
to that of President Trump. Now, once again, to see make that
statement as an opinion. You see, just praise that sentence
as an opinion, is skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a
tone similar to that of President Trump and the group
has fiercely attack the Democratic Party, urging black
voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic
presidential nominee unless he or she produces a specific
economic plan for the nation's ADOS population. such tactics
have led some to accuse the group of sowing division among
African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression,
not unlike the voter purges and gerrymandering efforts
pushed by some Republicans.
You are a bastard mo I can't believe what you're doing.
You're trying to subvert the Democratic Party. You're
threatening them?
Well, it's a lot is and I hate this word, but it's a lot to
unpack there. Mr. Curry has their own. Let's see. So you
said we were insurgent, a terrorist. Then you move from
there to being like Trump, which we all know, Trump supporters
are, like terrorist and violent.
Well, interestingly enough, they're also white supremacists.
So welcome to the party. Now Yeah. And I like we own the
group fiercely attacks the Democratic Party, urging black
voters to abstain from voting, which is true, but I don't know
about the fiercely attacking bit.
And it says is skepticism of immigration. Here's the thing. A
Das has been against a legal immigration and see they do this
make all the time all the time. Yeah. No problem with illegal
immigrants. You got here you did your paperwork, right. You came
here, you know, you went through the proper channels. The problem
is a legal immigration directly undercuts and becomes
competition with poor blacks and America and the West a problem
and the way this is written.
You could interpret it multiple ways, which is I think it's a
trick that a writer at The Times would do to I'll read the line
again, it's skepticism of immigration. Now, you can
interpret that as all kinds of stuff. It could also be the
skepticism of immigration, because there's so much illegal
immigration, but it doesn't say that it's skepticism of
immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of
President Trump, which, in essence, is probably true,
because Trump talks about illegal immigration. It's just
it's not specifically laid out in the article. So it's
chickenshit. Really?
Yeah. So then moving on down says argued black voters to
abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee,
which I have been a big supporter of, I tell people all
the time, if somebody doesn't give you the option not to vote,
then you don't have option. Um, so that's where that's where the
real, real issue comes in with this whole and this is what this
whole this is what this whole article is about. 2020. Then
they go down to the next paragraph says such tactics have
led to accuse the group of sowing division amongst African
Americans, and engaging in a form of voter suppression
is Yeah, that's great.
Ah, not unlike voter purges, and gerrymandering, how the hell can
we gerrymander?
I mean, not unlike a you're drawing an lines in the
districts? I don't know. I really don't know what that
means. That's, that's
a stretch. So this is what this is. This is what this like I
say, I know sent out a lot, but this is what this whole article
is about, is to really shame black people. Like oh, you know,
you don't vote you will let Trump win. You know, he's the
boogey man you know, he's the big bad Klansmen,
you know, I mean, now, look at look at these blacks. They're on
his side, that's even worse that I mean, just just associating
this group with Trump is enough. I mean, that's enough for the
for the New York Times reader and the elites of America to
decide right then and there. A das equals Trump
equals bad. Yes. So um, let's get to the next clip.
Shireen Mitchell, the founder of stop online violence against
women has been embroiled in online battle with ados.
activist for months. Miss Mitchell contends that the
group's leaders are quote, using reparations as a weapon in
quote, to make Mr. Trump more palatable to black voters.
Others have pointed out and Miss Cornell once appeared on her
YouTube channel and make America great again hat
as proof so she did appear on her channel wouldn't make a good
America Great Again, hat. But if this reporter had done her
homework, it was as a joke, but this has become a meme. It's
become one of those things where if you say it enough is true.
Yeah, you got it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Doesn't
matter what the truth is, we got you would have Magga hat on. So
you're saying you're, you're in with the on the alt right. Um,
so another thing she points out here, she says, using
reparations as a weapon. Now, nobody has a problem when people
use immigration as a weapon. They say, if you don't support
immigration, we won't support you. AIPAC uses there's no, I
mean, it's politics. That's how politics works. You know, I
won't vote for you. You won't have my support. We will get you
out of office will run against you in the primaries. You know,
I mean, that's, that's how politics work. Yeah, but it's
like,
it's clearly a DDOS or not obedience. They're not doing
what they're supposed to do.
Get back in your home. Yep. Well, and this quote is from
Miss Shareen Mitchell does that name ring a bell to you, sir?
Shareen Mitchell.
Not offhand.
We'll miss your remit. You had a talk with Miss Joy read?
Oh, yes, I know who this is. Yeah, sure do. Straight into it,
shall we goes are we have some fun.
They appear to be a human, but they don't leave a big gap as as
Adam just said, in the time that they've tweeted, and they tweet
you should you respond to them?
Generally no, I mean, off the back, you should say back and
just sort of watch their engagement, how many times
they're tweeting, what they're tweeting about, and even the
topics in particular. And a lot of the ones that are pretending
to be black people and black women in particular, who are
focusing on black identity have these sort of aspects in the
ways that they're talking about language. If we saw the other
day, there was an account that was supposed to be for black
supporting Howard Schultz, that account was eventually pulled
down. But that was a prime example of someone trying to
mimic support from the black community for a particular
candidate. So these kinds of things that are happening at
this moment, we have to pay a little bit more close attention
to it because there is nuance, but there are also identifying
factors. For example, right now from the black identity
framework, there's a new sort of hashtag and or identity that's
in their bios called a D O S, or D. O S, which is standing for
descendants of slaves.
Well, that's wrong. And also what she's she's from stop
online violence against women. And yet, why is she speaking on
this topic?
Well, she's the blackbutt. Lady.
Oh, the she's the blackbutt. Lady. Okay, can we play it?
Yeah, yes.
So it's the indication that they are, they are someone who was
born and you know, as a descendant in the United States,
who was representing black America, and has the vernacular
in the language that people will believe is someone who's a part
of our community who's either debating about Camilla or
debating about Booker, because that's who just announced and
I'm trying to say, we know who's the most, you know, who's who's
black in America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of
talking in this vernacular that makes it look like that they are
American? Yeah, yeah.
We I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it
came to when Kamala Harris announced it's like it just
dropped like a bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she
was accused of being not, not really black. Not Not really.
You can see that happening. But actually, there was an uptick of
those bots, just before she was about to announce so they were
preparing for her announcement.
I love joy Reid, who's like, oh, I noticed all these bots. No,
you did not. You don't notice any of that.
Oh, these are real people. And it's amazing that Miss Farah
Stockman didn't ask Miss Urim Mitchell about her black bots
comment. I'll we blocked bots now. Ah, you shouldn't be afraid
of bots. Not voting. Right? Yeah. You see what I'm saying?
So no, she brings her up. She mentioned to her how you know,
we're using reparations as a weapon, making Trump more
palatable to the black voters. But she didn't ask her about her
black box comment that she made on jewelry reads our
show. No. In fact, the article just says that she has been
embroiled in a Shareen Mitchell founder stop online violence
against woman has been embroiled in an online battle with the A
das activist for months. She's battling bots mo she's very
brave. Mr. Mitchell contend that the group's leaders are using
reparations as a weapon. So yeah, so of course, why would
the New York Times call her out on that that makes no sense. And
where she why
she from Shareen Mitchell is not much on.
There's not much about her on the Wikipedia. All right,
but why are you so worried about bots, bots don't vote?
Well, because of the division, the bots were sewing in the
community to move people or black people away from
supporting Kamala Harris and Cory Booker. That's that's what
the way I understood it.
And column my head count. I like it Come on my head column.
column or column up? Yeah. So Kamala Harris would take down
was the shot across the bow. That's when they really saw
these people is serious. Yeah. To take down a consider to be a
leading cause you know how they classify their candidates over
the Democratic Party. She was one of the leading Democrats,
and she was completely deflated in a mess. Other days, and as
soon as she came out,
I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention that a DOS
successfully beat Kamala Harris down to 3%. In the polls, these
are very dangerous aid officers. But anyway, missed opportunity,
I
think. So, as we know, Miss Marianne Williamson, she had the
air of Athos and Aidan's had her ear, um, but it's a clip that I
had, and I didn't, it was one of those clips slips. And I made
mention of it. But when I went back and listen to it, it had a
totally different context now. Um, she's gonna lay out the step
by step plan of how you can move. Well, I'll let her explain
it.
There was a moment last night that seemed like you were going
almost you are going at it with Don Lemon.
He posed a question to you about reparations. What was going
through your mind when he asked you this question?
Well, how diminishing can he be? What makes you qualified to
determine a number? You know, there's this political class,
it's like a Wizard of Oz type of thing. Only they know, you know,
it's like something's going on behind the curtain. A lot of
people have serious conversations about what's going
on in this country, not just a bunch of TV pundits and, and
politician. So and I was so diminishing, what makes you
qualified to do math, there is a certain, you know, strain of
official note. So at first it was like, We won't take her
seriously. She's not there. Then okay, she's there. But she's a
joke. She's a looney tune. And now they've gotten to a phase
of, well, so never win the nomination, but we should
probably listen to her because she has some really important
things to say.
Okay. So the step by step she laid out about how they attacked
her. Yeah, they did the same thing that a Das. Won, they're
not there. Yet. You know, their bots, then they're Looney Tunes,
to their joke. Yeah. But now it's like, all well, they got
real power. We got to listen to him. It's the same as that step
by step. No, I heard it. I was like, wow, yeah, you know, this
is a system. This is a real system. And then my brain got
going, um, if there's a system as Mr. Neely Fuller said, there
is a system and it controls the world. But let's listen to him
talk about that system, and only
got to step on my foot and you got to find milk. Now I gotta go
get my brothers and my gangs would not see and the white
supremacist say, These people don't even know how we do what
we do. That's why we are masters of the world.
So we've we figured out how they do what they do. And how they do
it. They do used to be called COINTELPRO. So COINTELPRO was
this system of counter intelligence, custom for counter
intelligence program. It was ran by one Mr. Hoover, J. Edgar
Hoover, FBI to be specific for the FBI. And this is the to me,
when I read this article, it may not be specifically COINTELPRO,
but it smacks of the same kind of methodology behind it.
We know that government watches us, but what about when
government surveillance changes the course of history. In the
1960s, the US government started a program called COINTELPRO, or
the counter intelligence program. The program was a
series of secret FBI initiatives targeting activists, political
and minority groups, the American Indian Movement, the
Black Panthers, Martin Luther King, women's and civil rights
groups, Vietnam War protesters, and anyone who got the
government seeing red tactics used included infiltration, and
surveying and discrediting leaders and causes in order to
undermine entire movements and organizations. But a lot of what
COINTELPRO did was illegal, and it was officially disbanded in
1971. Though if you ask many activist groups and political
dissidents, it still exists. Just him another form.
Okay. I'm very I'm very familiar with this. I didn't realize that
it was. They stopped it in 1971.
And was this Ah,
did that have anything to do with the Smith Mundt act By any
chance?
Um, I'm not sure. Okay, that I'm not sure I'm familiar with the
Smith ma app, but I'm not sure if that that went hand in hand.
Okay. But as Mr. Neely Fuller said two clips ago, they
understand the powers that be understand. And uh, you see you
we saw in Venezuela, we see all over the world. They empower one
leader against an established leader and then let them fight
it out. Right. And that's what I was alluding to when I say they
mentioned Tyreke machine first before they actually mentioned
the co founder and co founders IDaaS was coming when you see
these things, it's a pattern. They do the same thing. It's
like um so when I saw I was like, This is gonna be a
problem. But my worst fears came true. Tariq nasheed and tone
talks took the bait, and it started with Tarik Nashi tweet.
Trump is actually talking about providing specific tangibles to
foundational black Americans, yet the Democrats who black
Americans have been so naively loyal to are adamant about not
doing anything specific for black Americans. So why should
we honestly support the Democrats? This is in response
to Trump saying we created 9000 opportunity zones, 8 million in
an 8 million African Americans live in opportunity zones, yet
every Democrat voted against giving these black citizens the
future they deserve. The Democrats, the Republicans got
it passed.
So Tarik mushy made a tweet. He where he retweeted a Trump
tweet, kind of like supporting Trump. But Trump's tweet,
include the mention of opportunity zones, which
opportunity zone, as I stated on the show myself is a sticking
point for me. Because you're he's
out for me as well. And you know, because I live in an
opportunity zone. So I'm curious to see how it's doing for poor
people.
Yeah, so it's just on a surface level, it has been branded as
black as bad for black people. I don't know call stuff, just I'm
saying on the on in the MB. When you hear that term now, in the
ADA circles, which you want to say they woke circles is
synonymous with a gentrification? Yeah, we have to
say, it's very nuanced. But for him to retweet that I knew there
was going to be pushback for him doing that with I was what what
now? Let me be clear, we're talking about intra group
conflict. Yeah. So at this point, eight, us, native black,
foundational black, everybody was on the same page, right?
Post the article, we started seeing fractures happen, and
they would happen to immediately. Um, so Terry, and
she makes this tweet that was read by Yvette Cornell just just
for full disclosure, which is the founder of Athos, the group.
And so, town talks, replies to Tyreek tweet,
I'm seeing this thing and I responded to Tareekh. And I
said, this is not real politics, Trump perform one of the most
regressive tax cuts in American history. They left the cupboard
bare for any type of major program that would have cost
similar to reparation. You cannot say this without
recognizing that fact. Okay,
so let me let me just hear what he said. Was that the
opportunity zone the the amount of money that's involved, that
could have just been used for reparations for a Doss, is that
what he's saying?
I'm thinking the way I interpret it was it doesn't compare Okay,
cuz here's the thing. Oh, yeah.
In other words, that's not reparations. Nice. Yeah, well
done might work. Who knows Jury's out but it is reparations
No.
So inside baseball here. Anything that can be used to
needle the Democrats, native blacks are willing to use
because those are the people that have taken us for granted
for so many years taken our vote for granted for so many years.
What needs to happen is it needs to be parity created between the
two party If you bring them on the same level and then you say,
Okay compete for our vote. Democrats should do you need our
vote? You want to take Trump out of office if he's a threatening
the, what was the word he liked to use? Threatening democracy,
our democracy, right? Yeah,
right. Right now the market three, A, this this, this
reparations seemed like a good deal to get him out of there.
What's up, right. And then on the other hand, is like a Trump,
you know, saying, you know, if you want to lock up this 2020
vote, what's up, or neither one of you want to do anything,
we're gonna sit on the sidelines and let you guys figure it out.
That's how
politics works. That's, that's, that's how people get votes.
Sure.
That's on code. But people are going off code.
every word matters at this moment. Part of the reason that
we're talking voting brought down by like Democrat is to make
it clear that we're not a right wing propaganda tool. Because
right now, the four DS come into, into play, dismiss,
divide, destroy, you know, they're trying to, they're
essentially trying to try to get us and call us right wing, when
actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result, we
can't get any fuel to the fire. And I think it's, what I'm
seeing right now is an inability to really understand how
important that is imagery, how important it is to catch this
thing as what it is where, look, black folks since 74 have voted
90% Democrat, black folks. When you look at Latinos, in the last
election, 65% of Latinos voted for for the Democrats 35% voted
for Trump, when you look at whites 674, their rate of vote
for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats,
it's been like 40%, the Democratic Party is our party.
The problem is that we haven't called on them with the specific
Black Agenda and demanded of them what they owe us. You don't
walk away from what they what somebody owes you. And say it's
because they don't want to recognize you without making
what I'm making a haymaker of a case, and that's what we're
doing right
now. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, skirt skirt, hit the
brakes. Right. We were all on code here. If nobody puts
anything on the table, you're not getting our vote. And even
sir, certain segments, you're saying, if the Democrats aren't
willing to put anything on the table, we will vote for Trump.
Just to show the Democrats we're not playing right that that's
that was the code, right? And then aid off the group. Now this
is where it becomes a lineage which you can't be born in. And
I mean, you can't be an out of the group. You're born into it.
Right. I mean, I was born a loss, just for the sheer fact
that who my parents weren't who their parents were right. Now
Ukraine eternal making a group, a political group. And you're
saying we're gonna vote down ticket Democrat? No. And like I
said, this is I'm not picking sides in this situation. Because
one thing you know about me, Adam, I made it very clear. I
don't do groups.
No, that's correct.
The reason why I don't do groups is this very case right here.
Because groups change. And now you've I've locked myself in
with this group. And now have you done a pivot? No, we're not
voting down ticket anything because that's that's a trick in
itself. Because the reason why I say that is how does the average
American vote?
straight ticket? Yeah, Republican Democrat done?
You're not going to sit down and check the average person that
can go to sit? No, I'm not going to vote for president but I'm
going to go check everybody out the judge and senators and now
you're gonna go on there, you're going to put push one button or
the other button, right? Pretty much so this is absolutely this
as a trick I took as as an insult to my intelligence
because it was very clear. We're not if nothing tenten it and
it's the word we'll use tangible. Oh, yes, we're gonna
use reparations as a weapon, the same way immigration is us. We
might not get immigration, you know, the immigrant immigrant.
activist groups might not get open borders, but they like what
do you got for me? What can we get? We can get DACA okay, we're
saying
every, everybody wants something. Absolutely. Right.
So what's the latest, um, for us for leveraging. So maybe you
couldn't do eight out You couldn't do reparations. But you
could say, well, we can do A, B and C. And then we see you next
election. So that's, that's, that's kind of tangible, you
know, saying that was, you know, I mean, I feel I could feel it,
you know, I could I could talk a touch of Israel, and we could
talk, but nobody's put anything on the table. And now all of a
sudden as we get close to 2020, you have a Das, the group and
let me be clear here, a dotnet. Now Now as for shattering to
Well, I said, I'm gonna go by NBA now. Because now you've done
something weird here. I'm now while passe das means something
totally different. And Tariq mushy replies back and he makes
the point of politics versus lineage, my position
and everybody else is a lineage, but it's also created by a
movement of politics, a very sustained politics around the
Black Agenda, and reparation.
Okay, so right there. Okay, so lineage, but it's a movement
based around politics or some political group. Okay. Okay.
We'll say that. We get it back to me, this is what I'm saying.
Don't say that and just be very upfront with it. This is a
political group that they have, that they've named the same
thing so that it can be conflated. That's him saying
it's linear, but it's also this political thing, too. So it's a
group that they've completed with the lineage. So when you
speak about the lineage, by proxy, you're speaking about the
group and you begin the group up. It's two things. That's very
deceptive. That's very deceptive. That's deceptive. You
ain't talking about lineage no more. So if a person out here,
just saying, Yeah, ados. And you think, Okay, I'm just supporting
the lineage. And then they're using that Tony nibandh? Well,
that's, that's the number that's he's in my group. That's my
group member. I'm the leader of you understand, we're lineage,
you're telling me who to vote for.
In, in an interesting way. This parallels the, the 2008 Tea
Party, who were not necessarily a lineage, but there was a
foundational set of beliefs. And it was Ron Paul, who, who
started that who ran that, and through very similar tricks.
That whole group was co opted. And it was turned into
something. In fact, it was turned into something so
naughty, that Ron Paul left, he left his own group, you know,
because it did turn into just a political entity and all kinds
of and it happens all the time and other actors come in, and
then the group morphs and changes. So yeah, it's, it's,
it's tough doing that.
So there is a definite definite parallel between the Tea Party
and between the Tea Party and Athos, because this is how it
becomes was from grassroots to astroturf, right. And like I
said, I'm off the boat. I can't add, well, can't do this. And I
think other people picked up on it. And I'm not picking sides,
because one of these conversations should have been
had behind the scenes. They should have sit down in a room
together, had a conversation, and not had it all over social
media. So I don't like how either one is you don't know how
to handle it. I think they both have something to add, because
tone has great data. He does the research. And I think Tyrion has
a certain flair. Yeah, charisma also use Korea. So if you add
those two together is value adding,
right? But that doesn't sound like they have the same agenda.
Well, and when you start talking about voting, and nobody can see
what what I mean, my question is, show what you say you have
data, right? That's your thing, data. Where is the data to say
for me to vote? You know, where show me the impact. And when I
cast my vote in four years. I'll see a direct impact. Right?
Yeah. Um, so then I ask myself, got Yvette and Tom have put so
much work into this. They should know this movement. Um, they've
never really caught it a group before. But now it's starting to
look like a political group. What changed?
Oh, the only thing I can think of would be money.
Cra 1866
Cra 1866,
a four days and four A day Donald Trump will walk into the
Supreme Court to scale back the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
Okay, hold on a second. Now I do know that there was something
about the Civil Rights Act but that was more in regard to
believe it or not trans people. I'm not sure what else was
charmed this is new to me is surprised to me what what is
changing with this era? What happened?
That's the bar Alan thing. Oh,
oh, his his lawsuit because he's not being carried by the big
cable companies. Oh, okay. All right.
And bar Allen and tone talks have been real buddy buddy.
Byron Allen stepping into the onto the stage.
Yes. So that's the odd thing I can see that has changed. Like I
said, I've seen, um, I guess I saw the warning signs. But I
always give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm always very
careful about how I cast things. Because I don't want to, I want
to be a part of your solution, not the problem. But when I saw
a Democratic candidate, start talking with this group. I'm
like, wow, like, that's cool. But how that relationship
happened? Always me say I had to ask this question. How did it
happen? Yeah. Then I see a Killer Mike sit now who was a
big representative of Bernie Sanders sits down and talks with
Tom was taught, Tom was taught. It's like, I'm starting to see
you surround yourself with a lot of politics. Yeah. And then Barr
Allen, he came in it was like, Oh, well, it's a nice thing is
really you're saying got legs? Maybe I can use them to support?
My my arm? Ryan from it.
Right. So let me just say agenda. Let me just explain the
I don't know if you have that here. I don't think so. The the,
the Byron Allen case is very interesting. He has a number of
television channels, I think we should call them. And they're
very black oriented, music and cooking. And you have real
lifestyle type challenges. And Comcast are one of the largest
cable companies in the country that hasn't been carrying them.
And Byron Allen said, Well, you have to because you're violating
the Civil Rights Act. Based on based on race, your you're
discriminating against me based on race. So just a headline from
Fortune magazine from five days ago, Comcast is challenging a
153 year old law that protects against racial discrimination.
We can't let that happen. Rights Derrick Johnson. So so this is a
this is the Supreme Court. So this is going this is all the
way to the top. And they're going to challenge I'm not I'm
not completely familiar with the case, but they're going to chair
challenge his claim that his 100% African American owned
cable channel is being rejected despite Comcast caring White
owned channels with similar audience sizes. Hmm. So that's
the basis of the of the of the case and
somebody's going to motive and like I don't want to cast
aspersions on anybody. But I'm starting to see is like where,
where's What am I getting from our hope? I'm very self or self
oriented and self focused. Where what what does it do for me? I
think if everybody voted that way, then you will get the
government to represent well
the message is clear mo you're gonna get some cool cooking
shows Hey, you know, there's there's worse ways to get people
to vote, vote for me, and we'll give you better TV shows.
So as I look at this, I can't really support aid off the group
anymore. Now native black issues. And I want you to turn
foundational black American because then that seems counter
aid off the group. Right. Which I have to be fair, Tariq Nasheed
has says, I am not a leader. I'm not creating a political group,
you know, but I don't want to be caught in the middle of it. So
I'm careful like I said to be us. align with groups. And then
the other thing dangerous about the group is if you start
calling this a political group, right? And we go back, and you
start using words like insurgent? Yeah. Then you start
getting on list. And
yes, you do. Yes, exactly right. It's very dangerous.
With that said, this is where we go back. There's always a
portion of the show that we have to go back in time
to get go back to school back to school.
There'll be EB Dwar versus Booker T.
One of the first moments where Dubois comes onto the national
stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial
progress and how to move the race for and the leading African
American figure of that time period, the late 19th and early
20th century, Booker T. Washington. In the beginning,
they agreed on many points about the importance of education, and
moving the race forward. It turns out, though, that because
DuBois was northern born and had access to some of the best
schools in New England, and really was encouraged to think
broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education being
trained in Berlin, working with Max Vabre. By contrast to Booker
T. Washington, who was self educated, a very gifted and
talented man, but he was born as a slave. That fundamental
difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time.
So here, we have two like minded individuals for the most part of
what was good for black people. And all of a sudden, they start
having daring ideas. Now we've spoke about web divorce many
times on this show, and he was at the NAACP. And as I brought
up on a couple of occasions, the NAACP chairman was not one not
other than Joe spin guard. And just for people for matter of
record. Joe Spingarn was hired in May of 1918, and given them
rank of Major in the Military Intelligence Division, and ran a
small unit of undercover agents who was looking for proof of
subversion. So it's clear that W Ed be the boy it was, for lack
of better word being steered by Mr. Spingarn, but what is little
known is about tuskys mitten Hall in the United States
Army office of intelligence hired a black man by the name of
Mr. Booker T. Washington's vice principal to ski Institute was a
paid undercover intelligence officer for the United States
Army whose job was to spy Booker T. Because they were concerned
that he was using to ski and they were correct in their
suspicions as a hideout for black revolutionaries a week
from claim in a week from
well, this should COINTELPRO right there.
Yep. And so now on one side, you got the boys under Joe Spingarn.
And on the other side, you have Armington. He's working at
Tuskegee with Booker T. Washington. Now, Tuskegee
Institute, that is where Tuskegee syphilis experiment
happened,
oh, yes, a fine moment in history.
And it was one of the most infamous bio medical research
studies in US history. It began while Moulton handed on the
Tuskegee Institute. And it says this pyramid it failed to tell
participate to participants their diagnosis, and did not
treat new era after penicillin was provided in 19 in the 1940s,
to be effective against syphilis. And in 1932, Mr. R Mo
and Wanda Spingarn Medal for the NAACP. Good work.
Here's a mess. Oh,
we see the things like I say COINTELPRO. I'm not saying
either one is you know, being steered in any way but what I'm
saying is anytime there's positive movement in the right
direction by any group, let's just I mean, because you made
the point about the Tea Party. If a group does not accept it,
is making traction. They're infiltrated by outside forces
and steered.
Was this not also what Black Lives Matter was about?
Exactly. It started off as a hashtag. And then Soros money
came in. And then they start talking about how global warming
affects black people.
Black non black women did not mistreat black women.
Pardon me, pardon me? Yes, you will. Correct. Yeah. So after
Mr. M. Booker T. Washington was pushed to the side or stepped
away. Web to Dubois started warring with Marcus Garvey.
In a world when a black mass movement was deemed a threat to
the United States. There came the tiger, Marcus Garvey,
you mighty race, you can accomplish what you will, Africa
for the Africa, home and abroad. One God, one aim, one destiny
then came. J. Edgar Hoover.
This is a dangerous man damn radical ungrateful in an
American
in one of the most dangerous times in America. Marcus Garvey,
codenamed the tiger attempted to organize a global mass exodus of
Africans to return to their homeland only to be thwarted by
American officials who used techniques of infiltration and
disinformation to destroy him. Hiring a force of black
government agents J. Edgar Hoover devised an infamous
counter intelligence program coin tell pro
this works. We may have a model for all future organizations
like this
incarcerating him would not stop him.
Where is the black man's government? Where's his king and
kingdom? Where's the black man's president? This country? His
army on this navy,
provisional president of Africa? Not on my watch J. Edgar
Hoover had one mission. catch the tiger.
Yeah, Marcus Garvey, I want a great story.
So you may ask, how would J Edgar Hoover catch Marcus
Garvey? Well, we use the first African American FBI agent. Of
course.
The FBI is marking the 100th anniversary of the hiring of the
first African American Special Agent. It's a chapter of the
Bureau's history that is not well known, but it's relevant to
what is happening inside the FBI today. CBS whose chief justice
and HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT Jeff legates was
given a rare access to the Bureau's archives and two top
FBI officials. He's in our Washington bureau. Good morning,
Jeff.
Good morning, Michelle. There are no known photographs of the
first African Americans Special Agent but there is a record of
his hiring a century ago. And as we look through the FBI archives
Bureau officials told us that they believe there are lessons
from the past that are relevant to what is happening today
inside the FBI. Inside FBI headquarters in Washington, is
an archive room filled with hundreds of 1000s of documents.
In this loan application for the job of Special Agent, it was
hand written in 1919 by James warmly Jones until now, the then
35 year old has been a footnote in the Bureau's history or,
according to the FBI, Jones was employed exclusively in an
undercover capacity working directly under J. Edgar Hoover.
More black agents would follow Jones's footsteps into the
bureau. And they too would work undercover in the black
community. Hoover would go on to become the longest tenured FBI
director and targeting influential black Americans
would become a pattern in the 50s and 60s, Hoover targeted
Martin Luther King Jr. for extensive surveillance.
All right, so who is the James warmly Jones of the A das
movement?
Well, there isn't one. And the reason why I say that is as with
anything you have to evolve, right. So just the throwback
clip, we had to talk about the Civil Rights Movement and the
media.
As a story, the Civil Rights Movement had it all. Good versus
evil, drama, social upheaval. But at first America's major
media ignored it, especially in the South.
It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the
issue was
Congressman John Lewis says that the movements leaders realized
to bring change they needed to reach white Americans. How did
you do that?
As a movement? We literally put our bodies on the line,
you have influence on the Civil Rights coverage,
Hank klibanoff co wrote the race beat a book about the media, and
the movement, or race
was a big story in the south beginning in the 40s and 50s.
It's just that no one knew about it.
Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discover the drama
and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers that
television networks followed, even major southern media paid
attention to the open hatred, you got to keep the white in the
black set and the violent response to peaceful protest?
If you're going to beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us
by the cameras on
on gov. This was Selma, Alabama, 1965. Among the bloodied John
Lewis,
American people could not stand to see young children. And all
women been knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police
stole.
All right, well, media has certainly evolved since those
days. So there's many options, I guess.
The way they attack on black movements now is to let it play
out through the media. Yeah. As we say, in in the New York Times
story, you thought no food for one to two. And then
let's spice away right, right, right. So create, so having more
groups, throwing the the red meat in this case would be
mainstream press coverage, letting it all scrap it out, and
it's cynical man, but it's the way it's going.
Now, I know there are some skeptics out there, you're like
Mo, Here you go again, you know, um, but there's a guy named Mr.
Lowest Lomax. And what Mr. lowest low max was able to do
was to pit MLK against Malcolm X. on national television.
It has been suggested also that this movement, preaches a gospel
of violence.
No, the black people in this country have been the victims of
violence at the hands of the white man for 400 years. And
following the ignorant Negro preachers, we have thought that
it was God like to turn the other cheek to the group that
was brutalizing us. And today, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is
showing black people in this country that just as the white
man and every other person on this earth has God given rights,
natural rights, civil rights, any kind of race that you can
think of when it comes to defending himself, black people
should have we should have the right to defend ourselves also.
And because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad makes black people
brave enough men enough to defend ourselves no matter what
the odds are. The white man runs around here with the with the
doctrine that we are Mr. Mohammed is advocating violence
when he's actually telling negros to defend themselves
against violent people. Reverend Martin Luther
King preaches a doctrine of non violent insistence upon the
rights of the American Nikko. What is your attitude toward
philosophy the
right man pays Reverend Martin Luther King subsidizes Reverend
Martin Luther King, so that Reverend Martin Luther King can
continue to teach the Negroes to be defenseless. That's what you
mean by non violent, be defenseless, be defenseless in
the face of one of the most cruel beasts that has ever taken
the people into captivity. That's just American white man,
and they approved it throughout the country by the police dogs
in the police clubs. 100 years ago, they used to put on a white
sheet and use a bloodhound against negro. Today they have
taken off the white sheet and put on police uniforms. They
traded in the bloodhounds for police dogs, and they're still
doing the same thing and just as Uncle time back during slavery
used to keep the Negroes from resisting the bloodhound or
resisting the Ku Klux Klan by teaching them to love their
enemy or pray for those who use them. despitefully today, Martin
Luther King is just the 20th century on modern uncle time, or
a religious uncle time, who was doing the same thing today to
keep negros defenseless in the people protect their Uncle Tom
did on the plantation to keep those Negroes defenseless in the
in the face of the attack of the Klan in that day.
Another interesting guy
very interesting never heard but for
of course, this is good. First America first African American
journalist.
Yes. So you bring them on television. You tell them a
question. Well, what do you think about that King Guy? And
they you sit back and like, you know,
let it roll.
Right let it roll. Now. say the same thing I said about the two
gentlemen and modern day times. They could have had a
conversation behind the scenes and not through the media. You
because when you give it to them, as we all know, and if you
don't know, when you give it to the media, they can clip it and
edit it and make it seem any way possible. So Mr. Lewis Lomax
didn't stop there, because he had Mr. qinggong
Malcolm X. Articulate opponents of the Black Muslim philosophy
has said of your movement and your philosophy that it plays
into the hands of the white oppressors that they are happy
to hear you talk about love for the oppressor, because this
disarms the Negro and fits into the stereotype of an ego as they
need turning the other cheek sort of feature, would you care
to comment on this practice?
Well, I don't think of love as in this context, as emotional
Bosch. I don't think of it as a weak but I think of love as
something strong and that the organize itself and powerful
direct action. Those as well what I've tried to teach them
the struggle in the south, but we are not engaged in a
struggle, it means we sit down and do nothing. That there's a
great deal of difference between non resistance to evil and
nonviolent resistance. Non resistance leaves you and leaves
you in a state of stagnant passivity and Deadman
complacency when nonviolent resistance means that you do
resist and have a strong and determined manner. And I think
some of the criticisms of non violence or some of the critics
fail to realize that we are talking about something very
strong and they confuse non resistance with non violence.
So you saw mr. Lomax bring mount Martin on and say I use what
King said about you.
Yeah, he was stirring the pot
stirring the pot let him sit back. And of course I'm sure
that these two gentlemen were able to sit down they could have
came to some resolution but once you have the look at is the
group of people looking up to these two guys. At the time,
it's like now you have to choose one side or the other Right.
which divides the group mate weakens the group? And like I
said, this is not exclusive to black America. Um, you see in
every silver war created across the globe the powers that be go
in and power and arm one sided the current conflict and lamb
have it out with the other side of the conflict.
And what's what's new and interestingly, different today,
of course, is that arming in comes from status on social
media, reach on social media. Perhaps, you know, there's some
weaponization going on there with the promotion or or or D
platforming, God knows. But it's, it's it seems like a
repetition of history.
What if the same trick works? Yeah, you just tweak it? I mean,
you just tweak it a little bit? Um,
well, how come? How come tone doesn't see this? How come to
read? Do they not see this or the just too wrapped up in their
own
movements? Well, they're human. Yeah. And ego. That's top of the
list is the flaw of humans. And it gets in the way of actual,
you know, progress. I'm sure MLK and Malcolm knew better but ego.
You know, it gets in the way. But what I will want everybody
to do and the reason why I did this, this reason why I made
this episode, because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire.
Right? If we saw my counter intelligence program, or you
know, you don't want to know what you're getting cast to the
fire doesn't help you. What I want to do is put a blanket on
the fire. Let's listen to the elders. Let's listen to Mr.
Neely fuller. That's why I use these clips. You know, he's he's
warning us, they're gonna go. I'm just enough food for half of
us. Let's not fight over it. Right and on the other hand,
let's listen to Mr. Dr. Claude Anderson. Politics don't benefit
us. Then what the hell are we doing?
Politics is a very simple product process that says, I
will define for you, or who's gonna get the benefits out of
life is based on a simple premise, a quid pro quo,
something for something. One hand washes out it, you scratch
my back, I'll scratch yours. You vote for me. I'll support you
and do something for you. Black people, the only people that
have never played politics and
when is it interesting to print quid pro quo is now this
incredibly dirty term based on current events with the Trump
and Ukraine. wares that's exactly what what everyone
should be asking for in politics. When asked for a vote.
There's a quid pro
quo. Isn't it funny to saying tricks now? We're being played?
No, no, it's
not funny. It's disheartening. it's disheartening.
Isn't it? But isn't it weird? Gestures made fun is not the
right word. That we're seeing the same tactics use here.
They're trying to get somebody to flip on Trump. Yeah. Is to
say same thing, divide and conquer. You know, they're
bringing all these guys in stone and Manafort and all the guys
like, who's gonna flip? Yeah. And a US bow. He well, he said
this about Trump. He said that about Trump, when this guy
leaves when he leaves when he leaves a post are relieved from
his post, you know, they everything negative said about
him, you know, it creates a book. So it's the same, I'm
gonna say it's the same tactics. So were they hoodwinked?
Yes, you have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray run amok.
Yeah, so where does that leave you? Mo? I mean, you've been
very clear that you know, you consider your now the
terminology you using his native black because a Das has become
too, too weighted with the with it being a group and a
definition. I understand that the show is, of course doing
something about that just by pointing out what's going on.
But that that must be very disappointing for you to see
this.
It was expected? Yes. Yeah. I'm not being cynical. Well, that's,
of course. And that's why I always made the distinction. A
Das. Not the group ate us. Because I saw this coming. Have
it becoming a group when you start seeing chapters form, and
not to say anything bad about it, but it's just black lives
does matter. But I don't support the group. Right? If you get one
wrong, yes. So of course, of course, where it leads me where
it leads you to answer your question where it leads me at
its own code. That's where it leads me to where I've always
been, if it's beneficial to my group of people where I'm all
I'm all for it. I will tell you this. The Democrats are playing
a very dangerous game.
Yeah, could backfire very easily.
Where we talked about the negative vote, you might
actually create positive votes in the form of the Trump
Yes. For the opposition. Exactly. Exactly. So oh, so that
is interesting. So the situation as is, I'll just call it the
black vote. And with that, I mean, foundational black native
black, a DOS, the definition. Being splintered. And perhaps to
such a degree that everybody throws their hands up in disgust
and says, You know what, Democrats Screw you, we're gonna
vote for the other guy.
There's a real segment of people that could possibly do that,
because everybody's not blind to what's going on here. And we
know who funded that New York Times article. Well, who, who
the inspiration was and who? The Democratic Party
but I want to nail a name to the to the to the fence, you know,
it's, it's, it's unbelievable. It's actually it's unAmerican,
what's happening here? are actually well, no, well, it's
it's quintessentially American. Actually, if you look at the
history, because it's what's been done throughout throughout
throughout the ages.
Well, I'm reading through this paper, right. And I see no
mention of 2016 election Hillary Clinton, so I don't think it's
her right arm because if you're gonna do what you're gonna say,
you know, knows this kind of thing cost me even saying this
right election right right right i mean I'm just I'm just
speaking out of what observation now this thing if I had to put a
name on it the Obama camp because I said with the timing
of yeah his pack Deval Patrick. Whoa, yeah. I mean it's like
Bang, Bang Bang Bang. And here we are.
So we should take Deval Patrick extremely serious if he has this
kind of support behind him with this type of coordination.
Although, I don't know how well it worked in this case. We you
certainly noticed.
Were you still gonna have a certain segment of people who
and what they're trying to do it I think the numbers and don't
quote me on these numbers, I think it was 67% turnout.
They're trying to hit that number of 59. It was in 2016
with the turnout. So you just got to get it over 59. Yeah. So
what they had to do now is just stop the bleeding because
they're like, we go on to 50. Now we're not going to win. You
they factor in you put a black candidate up, sprinkle some
Obama dust on him. Or you might can get back to about 6364.
Right.
All right. Well, that jam. This makes this makes it even more
interesting. And I have not seen this kind of analysis anywhere.
Mo congratulations on doing this. And it's complicated in
this names of learning all these new things people I'd never
heard of before. Yeah.
Wow. Well, I guess
we'll just have to keep our eye on it and see how this
progresses. Because this is not over, folks. This is not over.
It's just starting, and we're still waiting on the swoop. So
well.
The swoop from Hillary, we'll see if that happens. You know,
where we have a couple other players, but yes, indeed.
Maybe she was pre spooked. Could be I mean the time and that and
that'd be very old babby very O'Barry.
Obama asked, you're so right, that she was ready to swoop and
who swoops in? Well, you got Bloomberg. I don't know what
he's doing. But Deval Patrick came out of left field he's in
his packaging is almost perfect. And I say almost because the
venom have an example of it. Man, his voice is is is off.
He's really not windy. And I think he's a badass though.
No, he has that going for him that even? Obama did half going
forward. Right.
Right. Right. Right. Wow, that could be an interesting that
could be a swoop on the swoop. Pretty smooth. Fantastic. Oh,
thank you for for, for pulling all of that apart for us so that
we could look inside into this COINTELPRO that is clearly
taking place. Shame on the New York Times. But yeah, go figure
to what it is. And well, all we can do is hope for some positive
developments in one way or the other Something is definitely
going to play out. It always does.
And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the
truth will reveal itself
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